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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #400 on: May 01, 2012, 04:52:10 PM »
no I dont but then again im not making any assumptions...you are!!!

you're saying you didn't make assumptions about the EMT report or something else ?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #401 on: May 01, 2012, 04:59:23 PM »
you're saying you didn't make assumptions about the EMT report or something else ?
LOL excuse me I took the opposite position from you with not evidence, based soley on opinion...

Im guessing you dont think my opinion is credible?

Im guessing without any evidence the jury will feel the same about your biased opinion

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #402 on: May 01, 2012, 05:03:49 PM »
LOL excuse me I took the opposite position from you with not evidence, based soley on opinion...

Im guessing you dont think my opinion is credible?

Im guessing without any evidence the jury will feel the same about your biased opinion

I don't even know what you're refering to at this point

I've already told you that I don't agree that Martin on top of Zimmerman is proof or lends credibility to anything (go back to page 15)

I don't know what opinions you're talking about



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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #403 on: May 01, 2012, 05:11:37 PM »
I don't even know what you're refering to at this point

I've already told you that I don't agree that Martin on top of Zimmerman is proof or lends credibility to anything (go back to page 15)

I don't know what opinions you're talking about
I know, this makes you a moron.

A person who thinks that an eye witness seeing trayvon on top of zimmerman fighting isnt corroborating evidence to zimmermans statement that trayvon was on top of him beating him is a FUKING MORON!!!

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #404 on: May 01, 2012, 05:26:30 PM »
I know, this makes you a moron.

A person who thinks that an eye witness seeing trayvon on top of zimmerman fighting isnt corroborating evidence to zimmermans statement that trayvon was on top of him beating him is a FUKING MORON!!!
He's saying its not evidence of who started the fight.
Its a way to misdirect away from the fact that Zimmerman has proof of part of his story.
Technically he's correct, but really it doesnt help the prosecutions stance at all.

At this point all theyre trying to do is discredit the supporting evidence Zimmerman has by saying "Well it still doesnt prove who started it".

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #405 on: May 01, 2012, 05:44:14 PM »
How is his statement any different from you demanding that Zimmerman be arrested when it couldn't be proven that he committed a crime? You wanted to throw out 200+ years of law because a black guy got shot. The lynch mob tactics over the last month are no different from the comment you quoted.

Not one bit. When there is a dead person and your story is "he came at me bro so i had to down him"...dude you killed someone... tha fuck?

Arrested or "shot like a rabid dog" is totally different... we arent talking about a fight... we are talking about someone who is dead and only one side of the story existed...the killers side....i didnt say shit about trying him right there or he is guilty of first degree murder. But rational thought suggests that if someone is dead and self-defense is coming from 1 person at that time...then an arrest should be made... this isnt that tough to grasp... like seriously..

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #406 on: May 01, 2012, 06:04:45 PM »
Not one bit. When there is a dead person and your story is "he came at me bro so i had to down him"...dude you killed someone... tha fuck?

Arrested or "shot like a rabid dog" is totally different... we arent talking about a fight... we are talking about someone who is dead and only one side of the story existed...the killers side....i didnt say shit about trying him right there or he is guilty of first degree murder. But rational thought suggests that if someone is dead and self-defense is coming from 1 person at that time...then an arrest should be made... this isnt that tough to grasp... like seriously..
Whats with all of the "Ebonics" as of late?  Did Trayvon bring this out all of a sudden?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #407 on: May 01, 2012, 06:22:17 PM »
Not one bit. When there is a dead person and your story is "he came at me bro so i had to down him"...dude you killed someone... tha fuck?

Arrested or "shot like a rabid dog" is totally different... we arent talking about a fight... we are talking about someone who is dead and only one side of the story existed...the killers side....i didnt say shit about trying him right there or he is guilty of first degree murder. But rational thought suggests that if someone is dead and self-defense is coming from 1 person at that time...then an arrest should be made... this isnt that tough to grasp... like seriously..
you have to have evidence to arrest someone...

what evidence is there?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #408 on: May 01, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »
There are no witnesses as to who STARTED the fight.

There are lots of people that saw ZImm losing the fight, once it was underway.

No person except the dead teenager and the live dude with multiple violence charges witnessed it.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #409 on: May 01, 2012, 07:31:25 PM »
There are no witnesses as to who STARTED the fight.

There are lots of people that saw ZImm losing the fight, once it was underway.

No person except the dead teenager and the live dude with multiple violence charges witnessed it.
You would make the government a great propagandizer.
Guess what - there is evidence to support most of Zimms story you have nothing to prove it wrong, your only argument is "Oh he has a violence charge in his record! Clearly he's guilty, cause a completely unrelated incident that happened years ago clearly proves what went down that night, without a doubt, clears it all up" LOL. Almost as great as your "Hes drunk cause he's on his way home from target, and the blood coming from his head must be from thinning effect of alcohol.
THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN! TRAILER WISDOM IS NEVER WRONG!

As of right now, unless new evidence comes out, you sir, are the weakest link.
Goodbye.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #410 on: May 01, 2012, 07:37:56 PM »
You would make the government a great propagandizer.
Guess what - there is evidence to support most of Zimms story you have nothing to prove it wrong, your only argument is "Oh he has a violence charge in his record! Clearly he's guilty, cause a completely unrelated incident that happened years ago clearly proves what went down that night, without a doubt, clears it all up" LOL. Almost as great as your "Hes drunk cause he's on his way home from target, and the blood coming from his head must be from thinning effect of alcohol.
THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN! TRAILER WISDOM IS NEVER WRONG!

As of right now, unless new evidence comes out, you sir, are the weakest link.
Goodbye.

you want to make it about the entire sequence - but it's about who started the fight.

NO WITNESSES to this. 

You would rather talk about how he was losing the fight, etc.  No witnesses to who started the fight - only a 911 tape that shows zimm went two blocks, calling the kid a burglar and asshole, and that trayvon had run away'. 

trailer prediction - zimmerman goeth to jail.   No witnesses to who started the fight, but the preponderance of evidence will lead jury to believe he was the agressor in the 3 minutes before the fight, so it's a greater likelihood he started it.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #411 on: May 01, 2012, 08:03:01 PM »
you want to make it about the entire sequence - but it's about who started the fight.

NO WITNESSES to this. 

You would rather talk about how he was losing the fight, etc.  No witnesses to who started the fight - only a 911 tape that shows zimm went two blocks, calling the kid a burglar and asshole, and that trayvon had run away'. 

trailer prediction - zimmerman goeth to jail.   No witnesses to who started the fight, but the preponderance of evidence will lead jury to believe he was the agressor in the 3 minutes before the fight, so it's a greater likelihood he started it.
Still no evidence eh?

look everyone its supposition rob

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #412 on: May 01, 2012, 08:40:23 PM »
personally, i trust the word of an investigator who had all the facts...

over the choice of a police chief (an admin more than a detective, no doubt) who drives in on a sunday night to reverse course of the invetigator.

Then, he resigns over it.  Really, it looks pretty shitty.  You don't resign when you make a good call.  You resign when you fck up.

Gentlemen, this has been a very entertainiming thread so far. I have heard that part of the reason Zimmerman was not charged that night is because of some well connected relatives within the justice system. It's really too bad that this has become the sensation it has. had he been arrested the night of the incident, this would not have blown up into the grand media distraction it has become, ...all the while the public is distracted by this, the "powers that be" are making serious moves behind the scenes to the detriment of all Americans.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #413 on: May 01, 2012, 08:41:08 PM »
So what happened to the call for waiting for the trial?

I guess the same people defending Zimmerman are EXACTLY like the same calling for his head without evidence.

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In total agreement.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #414 on: May 01, 2012, 08:41:49 PM »
The state has admitted it can't contradict Zimmerman's side of the story...I don't see how they're going to get a conviction under those circumstances.  Do I think Zimmerman's responsible for the young man's death?  Yes...he had no business going on "patrol" with a gun, no business exiting the vehicle and the basis for his suspicions about Martin's actions appear to be based on his race and style of dress.   From a philosphical and moral POV there's no doubt in my mind that he's culpable.  However...this is a criminal proceeding.  Philosphy and right and wrong are not the issue here...the letter of the law and the State's ability to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt are the issues.

Zimmerman is going to walk....


it's funny, I agree with everything you said... up until that last statement.

I think for all the above reasons that you mentioned, we will see a guilty verdict.

The actual charge remains to be seen. I'm guessing someting comparable to negligent homicide, manslaughter, or if all else fails, "being responsible for the death based upon a preponderance of evidence", but there is no doubt in my mind, given all the facts that have thus far come to light, that a jury will return a conviction.

It will be interesting to see what actual evidence gets presented in the court room.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #415 on: May 01, 2012, 08:42:39 PM »
He was the neighborhood watch captain, but the watch rules specifically say one cannot carry a gun when on duty.

So he wasn't a neighborhood watch captain when he chased a kid two blocks in the dark with a gun.  He was just some dickhead on a sunday afternoon, getting his rocks off by playing pretend police and terrifying some kid whose only crime was looking like a burglar. 

zimm is fucked.  the more i think about it.... i didn't know he told the 911 operator that trayvon RAN.   This means there is ZERO PROOF that trayvon started it.  in fact, jurors will look at a scared minor being chased 2 blocks by a fat man with a gun and probably believe he acted in self defense IF he even swung first.   I mean, if you're walking your dog and a fat man with a gun chases u 2 blocks, you CAN punch him in the face once he reaches you because you're already in fear of your life and you're standing your ground.

To be honest, trayvon probably could have pulled a gun and shot zimmerman and it would have been legal.  Cause he had already fled 2 blocks from the angry man with a gun throwing profanities his way.

In 100% agreement with you here.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #416 on: May 01, 2012, 08:43:29 PM »
This country has become everything they hated and fought against.

Why is it that whenever I've pointed that out that in the past, it was considered "Anti-American", but when someone else says it, it is viewed as an accurate analysis of the situation?  ???
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #417 on: May 01, 2012, 08:44:06 PM »
1. Zimmerman had every right to carry his firearm.


Having the right to carry his firearm does not absolve him from being accountable for the discharge of that firearm. You want to carry? fine. The 2nd amendment states you have the right to bear arms. However, when you choose to discharge your firearm into the chest of an unarmed child, ...causing his death, you had better be prepared to be accountable.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #418 on: May 01, 2012, 09:46:46 PM »
He's saying its not evidence of who started the fight.
Its a way to misdirect away from the fact that Zimmerman has proof of part of his story.Technically he's correct, but really it doesnt help the prosecutions stance at all.

At this point all theyre trying to do is discredit the supporting evidence Zimmerman has by saying "Well it still doesnt prove who started it".

Zimmerman has proof of what exactly?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #419 on: May 01, 2012, 10:22:05 PM »
Having the right to carry his firearm does not absolve him from being accountable for the discharge of that firearm. You want to carry? fine. The 2nd amendment states you have the right to bear arms. However, when you choose to discharge your firearm into the chest of an unarmed child, ...causing his death, you had better be prepared to be accountable.
That is not the point we were discussing.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #420 on: May 01, 2012, 11:22:06 PM »
That is not the point we were discussing.

Why did you present it as point #1 then if you didn't want it discussed?
You put it forth in your argument, I'm simply saying that when a child comes up dead, his right to carry is far less relevant if at all, than his obligation to be accountable for his choices.
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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #421 on: May 01, 2012, 11:36:20 PM »
Why did you present it as point #1 then if you didn't want it discussed?
You put it forth in your argument, I'm simply saying that when a child comes up dead, his right to carry is far less relevant if at all, than his obligation to be accountable for his choices.

Re-read the post it was in response to.  Try to follow along.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #422 on: May 02, 2012, 05:03:02 AM »
There are no witnesses as to who STARTED the fight.

There are lots of people that saw ZImm losing the fight, once it was underway.

No person except the dead teenager and the live dude with multiple violence charges witnessed it.

You just made the case for a not guilty verdict.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #423 on: May 02, 2012, 05:50:43 AM »
You just made the case for a not guilty verdict.

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You would think that this fucking idiot would read up on "Reasonable Doubt" since he has very strong opinions on what happened in the Zimmerman case and has 145,000 posts on the topic. 

Another leftist windbag with an overbearing point of view on issues that he knows nothing about?

Perish the thought.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #424 on: May 02, 2012, 05:56:47 AM »
Whats with all of the "Ebonics" as of late?  Did Trayvon bring this out all of a sudden?


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