New Pic ( to me )
All drugs and genetics
All drugs.
All drugs.You're pathetic. Seriously you must be the most obsessed Dorian hater on this board...let it go man.
You're pathetic. Seriously you must be the most obsessed Dorian hater on this board...let it go man.
Besides, he still weighs 250-255lbs and is lean. I guarantee he looks better and is stronger than 99% of the people on this board, including you. (granted I don't like the white capri pants :))
New Pic ( to me )
Ha hates Dorian because Yates kick the ass of his ebony heros ;) he's the biggest Yates Schome on this site , this is NO BowFlex body ;D
I thought that was me. ??? ;D
Check out how he butchers Wolf On thickness up top and waist down.
No contest
Check out how he butchers Wolf On thickness up top and waist down.
No contest
All drugs.
A laughable comparison. :DGBM=Gay Black Male, always thought of you as a white guy.
I thought that was me. ??? ;D
wolf destroys him
not in that pic but he destroys him
ha ha ha you got me there okay he's the second biggest , although I've never seen you post an ass shot of Yates and he has on multiple occasions ???
dorian only looked good in 91,92 an 93
ronnie looked better
That B & W shot is incredible - to be that thick and full with striated glutes is unreal. I think Yates still looks incredible. It is clear that he still trains and maintains an athletic and lean physique. His arm is huge in that photo posted by ND and the Shadow is closing in on 50 years old. Good to see.agreed
way better
it's like comparing vince to wavelength
very true: 8)Sorry - while Ronnie looks incredible there, he is dwarfed by Dorian everywhere. Dorian is much, much thicker in that shot. I know Dorian was about 3 weeks out and Ronnie was on competition day, but still Dorian owns that particular comparison IMO.
dorian wins from the knees down though.
Another recent biceps shot:where'd you get that clipping rs?
Sorry - while Ronnie looks incredible there, he is dwarfed by Dorian everywhere. Dorian is much, much thicker in that shot. I know Dorian was about 3 weeks out and Ronnie was on competition day, but still Dorian owns that particular comparison IMO.
Dorian is absolutely DESTROYING Ronnie in that shot.
It's like comparing the thickness of a pro bodybuilder to a natural bodybuilder.
It's absolutely NO CONTEST!
It boggles my mind that you some how can not see that.
Hulkster has a tendency to post comparison pics that undermine his argument and own him.QFT ! that's why he's a moron
:D
Can somebody please post pictures of how Ronnie looks right now?
Thanks.
I didn't save it because he looked so shitty I was afraid it would crash my hard drive.
looks like pretty much what any ifbb pro would like like if they were relaxing their gut
Dorian retired with honor, unbeatable, he went out as Mr. Olympia.
Ronnie got his ass handed to him, came back got his ass handed to him in a brown paper bag and still continues to juice
and look like crap.
This Ronnie shot is for you. :)
;D twigs on a barrel babee!!!
;)alot of those are amazing photos. for example the far left in the middle.
Haha 44 year old retired Coleman has bigger quads and better arms than Dorian in his prime, even with a mangled nerve-damaged left side.
Totally stupid unfair comparison btw. But if that's what people need to do to make this a contest then that says it all. ::)
Right like you said even your arms are bigger ;) same contest
alot of those are amazing photos. for example the far left in the middle.
hes not on stage hitting a pose so he doesnt tighten his abdomen. every big bodybuilder has a distension / gut when its relaxed.
Oh he did? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :Dhahaha, calm down stringbean. ;D
That must be why he doesn't post a clear pic, doesn't want to make us feel bad. :D
:-\hes in the middle of a pose flexing his abs and sqeezing them in super tight..
could you guys now stop that shit
hes in the middle of a pose flexing his abs and sqeezing them in super tight..
if you notice i said "relaxed"
heres a side tricep picture of ronnie from 2003 when that same big belly picture was taken
hahaha, calm down stringbean. ;D
Here is a front lat pciture of ronnie from 2003 when he's flexed still has a ridiculous gut , notice Cutler is concave and Ronnie convexedhes not flex there, your not supposed to flex your abs there.. look at dex and dj.. both convexed as well.... front lat spread your abdomen is viewd from the front so any convex/concave is irrelevant..
hes not flex there, your not supposed to flex your abs there.. look at dex and dj.. both convexed as well.... front lat spread your abdomen is viewd from the front so any convex/concave is irrelevant..
Meltdown!
calm down shit stained panties sniffing criminal. :D
Maybe you should have some alcohol, drive around, go rob an old people's home then come home and beat your wife.
Then go to the "back yard" of your trailer which is a sand box and make a sand castle with poo?
Fat fuck.
No shit it's an unfair comparison it's call a bit of their own medicine and better arms my ass better biceps yeah and bigger quads? more delusion a common theme among Coleman nutt-huggers
ha ha ha ha he's not flexed there typical Coleman fan willing to dismiss the glaring flaws of his hero , his gut is clearly visible ON STAGE while posing , old newsthats a back pose, gut not visible from judges table.
hahaha, neither picture is me, but this IS you, skinny scarecrow twinkie. ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
An obese trailer park resident who is a drunk, a thief, and a wife beater.
On top of all that he has a love for shit. :D :D :D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
An obese trailer park resident who is a drunk, a thief, and a wife beater.
On top of all that he has a love for shit. :D :D :D
tbombz..... Ronnie had the biggest and worst gut in history of bodybuildinglol no he didnt. jp fux, kovacs, heiko, and millions of amatuers and tons of other pro's all had much worse guts
this is fact, I know you admire the guy, but that is the truth.
You gotta be kidding me - these shots again. Pumpster, Ronnie had a much worse midsection than Dorian, even when Ronnie was at his best. Dorian's gut was out of control towards the end of his career, but Ronnie's was out of control at his peak, e.g. 2001 Arnold. Advantage Dorian (yet again)
I give you the originator of the gh gut.
And less size up top than Coleman to offset = H-taper.
You gotta be kidding me - these shots again. Pumpster, Ronnie had a much worse midsection than Dorian, even when Ronnie was at his best. Dorian's gut was out of control towards the end of his career, but Ronnie's was out of control at his peak, e.g. 2001 Arnold. Advantage Dorian (yet again)
thats a back pose, gut not visible from judges table.
you dont know about posing , huh? you flex all the muscles visible to the front of the stage. thats what matters.
kai green talks abotu this on his "legs and stuff" in the trenches video on MD. he calls it a "4th wall".. you have 4 walls...behind you, to the left, to the right, and on in front of you(where the judges are).... when you pose you make sure you are showing what you want to show to the "4th wall" only... everthing else doesnt matter... because that is th eonly thing the judges see
for example.. in most back shots, you actually push out your gut, as this helps to make you seem a bit thicker from the back. but your abs arent visible in the pose so it doesnt matter
I love how you guys freak out over one of the only two advantages dorian had over ronnie:
abs and calves.
ronnie crushes him everywhere else in and every mandatory except for the ab shot and possibly the side tri..
thats only 2/8
not close is it?
way too much hate in this thread
and again here is Ronnie 247 pounds with a bigger gut than Dorian at 270
I love how you guys freak out over one of the only two advantages dorian had over ronnie:Hulkster those are great shots of Ronnie. I'm not blindly biased so I am not going to say "Dorian crushes Ronnie." It is close and who knows who would win if they competed against each other in their respective primes. However, there is no way Ronnie "crushes" Dorian.
abs and calves.
ronnie crushes him everywhere else in and every mandatory except for the ab shot and possibly the side tri..
thats only 2/8
not close is it?
keep trying to rack up parts that's not how the game is played
nice try :P and dorian's only 255 here:
exactly.
its not individual parts.
its mandatories. and even dorian's best ever pose (the front lat) can't compare to this:
and its game over for the others except the ab shot (although dorian's quads look like they have 'radiation poisoning" as someone so awesomely put it LOL and the tri shot..
How does THAT beat THIS?
This pic makes me want to throw up! :-X
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29427&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
that's a good shot for Ronnie but still not in Yates' league
easily.No one is disputing that Ronnie had a better RLS than Kevin in that shot. But Kevin MORE than made up for it from the front.
because folding some clothing is not the same as hitting a mandatory pose 8)
yes, ronnie is far above dorian - because unlike dorian, his lat spread has cuts and detail..
as you wish
Kevin is beating Ronnie here, look at Ronnie's smoothness and TOTAL LACK OF HAMSTRINGS DETAIL.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29800&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
Ronnie getting destroyed....
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29824&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
Ronnie showing all his trademark hanging gut...
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=32901&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
Ronnie telling Kevin that he can't compete with his most muscular as Kevin's most muscular is the best ever.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29836&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
lmao no contest!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29864&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=91310ca58181c5763e048fb4ae9dfb62)
what about the total lack of legs on kevin that year LOL
front lat spread? Dorian the best but Kai has a great oneThat is a great shot of Kai. He compares very well with both Dorian and Ronnie in that pose IMO. I really hope he nails it at this Olympia but skips the head-stand pedal pose.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=269794.0;attach=321972;image)
Ronnie displayed super detail in his FLS, especially in his arms and chest; However, Dorian's is still superior and is the best ever.
Yates' front upper body so smooth you can skate on it and not terribly huge in relative terms is "best ever" huh lolNice blurry pic you posted there. For hellsake you can't even make out the vascularity in his right arm which is clearly present.
"Best ever" getting crushed lolAgain, epic posting a biased shot. Dorian hasn't even hit the pose yet. Here is is side tri... (and what the hell, here is a back shot that is just so crazy it's worth posting).
"Best ever" getting crushed lolHere is the shot you should have posted...although I can see why you didn't ;)
Yates' front upper body so smooth you can skate on it and not terribly huge in relative terms is "best ever" huh lolAgain, here is the pic you should have posted. This is not Dorian's best pose, but it is far from smooth...
"Best ever" getting crushed lol
Dorian Yates
To be honest, I preferred Ronnie's physique.
Here are the 2 best FLS shots ever. :o
lol dorian is being crushed thereexactly, the only thing he has in that shot are lats.
yes crushed - no detail, no cuts, radiation poisoning quads and all LOL
exactly, the only thing he has in that shot are lats.
yeah that's all he has his just a back and some calves amazing what they can accomplish all by themselves lol
they wouldn't accomplish much standing next to a 1999 Ronnie Coleman...
yates never faced anything remotely close to that..
fuck, he never even faced anyone with a good back..
He faced Ronnie, I thought you were saying something about Ronnie's back being good?
they wouldn't accomplish much standing next to a 1999 Ronnie Coleman...
yates never faced anything remotely close to that..
fuck, he never even faced anyone with a good back..
he faced ronnie when ronnie was losing to everyone...
why?
because Ronnie's mid 90's physique was nothing compared to his olympia winning physique of a few years later..
its like comparing dorian in 90 (who lost to Momo) to 93.
three years can be like night and day..
they wouldn't accomplish much standing next to a 1999 Ronnie Coleman...
yates never faced anything remotely close to that..
fuck, he never even faced anyone with a good back..
and ronnie never faced anyone like dorian - someone with a back and in better condition with the size to match if not surpass (in certain poses).
OWNED!
Why is this being debated? Dorian was better.
Ronnie never beat Dorian.
Dorian & Ronnie = bodybuilders with wide waist & HUGE gut (not to mention the missing body parts!!)
Yeah, Ronnie was beating all the other guys on those list by '98, so it's folly to assume Yates would still beat him the same way he did in those years listed.
FACT: Dorian said Ronnie would beat him if both were in prime condition(Pro bodybuilding weekly interview)...Yeah, but Ronnie has also been quoted saying he wouldn't have ever beaten Dorian.
Start at minute 41
http://modavox.wmod.llnwd.net/a2303/o21/solomon/Solomon121205.wma
FACT: Dorian said Ronnie would beat him if both were in prime condition(Pro bodybuilding weekly interview)...
Start at minute 41
http://modavox.wmod.llnwd.net/a2303/o21/solomon/Solomon121205.wma
Yeah, but Ronnie has also been quoted saying he wouldn't have ever beaten Dorian.
FACT : Dorian said " I guess ...I don't know.
and come back under your other account ;)
Three times (at least)
no it's not like that Dorian 1990 was 220 pounds and 1993 was 257 BIG difference idiot
Ronnie 1996 250 pounds Ronnie 1999 257 pounds not much difference
1997/1999 he looks better in 97 smaller tighter midsection and much sharper delts
Ronnie looked great in 1997..Detail with size like no other
please...Dorian alluded to the fact that Ronnie would win...no doubt about it. His pride is the only thing that stopped him from saying it outright... I think both Dorian and Ronnie are awesome, but Ronnie at his best beats Dorian at his although I would say the two best pyshiques ever displayed were 1.Ronnie 99 Olympia/01 Arnold and 2. Dorian 1993 Olympia.
And where are your references supporting that Ronnie said it three times that he would lose?
wow youre still in the denial phase but its ok...anyways youre only semi decent reference is the Flex article, you see when I asked for references I didnt mean you writing some shit down and bolding it...I meant actually links or pictures of your reference, kind of like how I posted mine... plus I'd like to read the full article in where Ronnie says that statement...
even in those pics ronnie has better arms
Haha 44 year old retired Coleman has bigger quads and better arms than Dorian in his prime, even with a mangled nerve-damaged left side.
Totally stupid unfair comparison btw. But if that's what people need to do to make this a contest then that says it all. ::)
Ronnie observes politics and plays modest at the same time, this is all that happened. The 98 comment from dorian is irrelevant as it's 03 Ronnie that would absolutely crush Dorian. Bigger everywhere, except calves, which were still huge. Generally accepted that more size everywhere + way more ripped glutes and hams = dominant victory. Blandly referencing "balance and proportion" as if arm/delt balance and having decent quads aren't issues is not an argument btw ::)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/23vg7cy.jpg)
ronnie in either his 1999 olympia or 2003 olympia form would easily beat dorian.
or his AC 2001 form, the form that Peter McGough stated was the best physique he had ever seen onstage- and he has shared dorian's bed.. :-X
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and even dorian's best ever pose (the front lat) can't compare to this:
lol none of that means shit, when the proof is in the flesh:
Great job on the scaling ::) and it's Generally accepted that more size everywhere + way more ripped glutes and hams = dominant victory he had all that yet still lost to Jay , great logic BTW and it's generally accepted that eh who meets the criteria better than his contemporaries wins ALL of the criteria not just a part of it that's how contests are judges thanks for sharing your ignorance though
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
ha ha ha ha owned , 1999 Olympia Ronnie states otherwise and he would know after all he's the greatest bodybuilder of all time
and 2003 ::) he would looks soft next to Yates at his best soft and unbalanced and 2001
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Thanks for playing though
Haha, when Ronnie lost to Jay his trademark ass-condition was famously non existant, and his back was fucked from the nerve damage,
Did you not know this?
LMFAO his ' ass condition ' and recall 2001? where he was bigger and your much adored ass condition was better than Jay and he still lost the whole prejudging ;)
you don't know how contests are judged so don't talk on subjects until you do
Yes he would look softer than Dorian, but hardness isn't the only factor I'm afraid. Thanks for playing/sharing your ignorance kid ::)
You are a truly ignorant person if you think Ronnie had a better front lat spread than Yates. For starters, in pose called front lat spread, Dorian's lats spread much wider than Ronnie's. Add to that Dorian's better midesection and traps and it's game over.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"Ass condition" is the new ripped glutes
LMFAO his ' ass condition ' and recall 2001? where he was bigger and your much adored ass condition was better than Jay and he still lost the whole prejudging ;)
you don't know how contests are judged so don't talk on subjects until you do
Haha, everybody knows that as soon as the contestants turn round the judges are looking for lines in the ass, call it gay, that's bodybuilding, ask Troy Alves, no lines in ass = placing less well. If you did not know this you are about 20 years out of date. It is much adored by the judges, which actually effects the contest results I'm afraid. I can see why you would get defensive on the matter though. ROnnie famously 'won it from the back' in 2001 and 2002.
As for proportion, Dorian was no Bob Paris or Lee Labrada, but he did better than these guys because he was bigger overall and in better condition. Haney was outconditioned and less dry than Gaspari but dwarfed him in competition. Both anal-ogies fit my argument well. In the latter scenario Ronnie would have had Haney's size advantage plus Gaspari's ripped glutes, unbeatable combo.
You're ignorance falls short again and why? Dorian has striated glutes and Ronnie was very lucky in 01/02 he was outclassed and still ' won '
amd as far as proportion Dorian may not have been Paris or Labrada but he's still leaps & bounds better than Ronnie in this department he did better than these guys because he meet ALL of the criteria better than them NOT just parts of it , that's how it's done
Dorian depending on the year carries more muscular bulk , any year has better density & dryness everywhere not just in the ' ass ' any year has better balance & proportion and better posing & presentation , END OF THE ROAD sorry Ronnie beat for the umpteenth time by Dorian
As I've said before, the only people who really identify with Dorian's physique are people who don't appreciate or understand what pleasing aesthetics and quality mass are all about.
yup:
Dorian at his best and Ronnie at his best = Victory to Ronnie Coleman.
As I've said before, the only people who really identify with Dorian's physique are people who don't appreciate or understand what pleasing aesthetics and quality mass are all about.
Dorian had a great work ethic and a superior intellect and drive. However, he was not as good as Ronnie Coleman was at his peak. Dorian at his best couldn't touch Ronnie.
There's a thing called "roundness"...and Ronnie annihilates Dorian when it comes to this. Dorian did not have the round muscle bellies that really distinguish bodybuilders with superior aesthetics.
Ronnie was just as lucky in those years as Dorian was in 1994 and 1997.
yeah, ND is famous for touching up dorian black and whites:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0
::)
I always chuckle when people type the words ' aesthetic ' and ' Ronnie ' in the same sentence
Thing is, I respect the hell out of Dorian and like his personality and approach better than Ronnie's. However, when it comes to a dominating physique, Ronnie Coleman is not of this planet. He is without equal, and I think this will hold true for many years to come. We haven't seen his genetic equivalent yet.
Flex wrote the book on roundness and where did that get him? ha ha ha and what really distinguishes a bodybuilder with superior genetics is one who meets ALL of the criteria better than his contemporaries not just parts of it , stop cherry picking what YOU like try basing your opinion on what the judges look for and things change when you look with unbiased eyes
yeah Hulkster is famous for making up quotes and knowingly using enhanced screencaps that Kevin Horton exposed him on lol
Dorian dominated in a fashion even Ronnie couldn't , he's hands down the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the IFBB 19 contests with 17 wins never once placing below second , losing just twice , as far as who has the more dominating physique Dorian wins clearly it's not open for debate and he dominated guys that Ronnie had problems with and they were closer to their primes to boot
I can barely decipher your drivel, but here's my response.
Just because a person is a bodybuilding judge does not mean they have any more reason to judge a bodybuilding contest than I. Is there a school for bodybuilding judging? Is my eye any less trained than a pro bodybuilding judge? Have the bodybuilding judges really done a good job in promoting physiques that will appeal to a widespread audience? Unbiased eyes? I don't have a vested stake in seeing any bodybuilder win anything...but many of the IFBB judges have friends and relationships with the people onstage. Does that make their opinion truly objective?
Dorian met the criteria better than his contemporaries? According to whom? You seem to place a ton of value in bodybuilding judges...which is ridiculous. Many of these guys can't even describe in detail why a guy is better or worse than his competitors. Pro bodybuilding judging is a joke...just like saying Dorian is better than Ronnie.
This sport is subjective and you have every right to your opinion...but the general bodybuilding community perceives Ronnie Coleman as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
This sport is subjective and you have every right to your opinion...but the general bodybuilding community perceives Ronnie Coleman as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Who cares about Kevin Horton? What does his opinion matter on anything? Because he is a Dorian worshiper we should all pay him credence? PLEASE!
Ha ha ha you sound just like Hulkster you're just as qualified to judge as the judges are lol taken you seriously ends with this statement , and in fact there are seminars judges have to attended and they have to cut their teeth on the lower levels for years to qualify to become one at the top levels and their job isn't to pick physiques on what sells to the masses , their job is to pick the physique that best fits the criterion
And who said Dorian fit the criteria better? the judges did hence why he's the most dominating physique of all time , and if the judges opinions are a joke than all of your heros wins are as well , you can't have it both ways . YOU like most people base your opinion on what you prefer and what you think wins contests , we've already established you don't know how contests are judges and don't put much stock in them anyway , so your opinion is purely based on preference
Ronnie is technically the greatest bodybuilder of all time and I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean anything because he never faced a prime Dorian Yates and when posed the question multiple times the greatest bodybuilder of all time said he thinks he wouldn't beat Dorian that carries a hell of a lot more weight than your opinion and the bodybuilding community don't judges contests , judges do
Ronnie is technically the greatest bodybuilder of all time and I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean anything because he never faced a prime Dorian Yates and when posed the question multiple times the greatest bodybuilder of all time said he thinks he wouldn't beat Dorian that carries a hell of a lot more weight than your opinion and the bodybuilding community don't judges contests , judges do
"You are only as good as those who you compete against."
"If you have an spotless record, you aren't facing tough enough of competition."
Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie, or he certainly would have faced some losses. Dorian's career was rather brief, while Ronnie competed for a longer period of time.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Sherlock. And you know what? That's probably one of the reasons why this sport has gone into the shitter since the mid-90s. Nobody wants to see a bloated guy with torn muscles beat guys who look like Greek gods.
Your "sources" are awful. Some Special Ed conversation that no one has heard? Some article in Flex years ago ::) I'll believe it when I see it and it is probably misquoted anyways, and some third source I have no clue about. Dorian inferred in that interview that Ronnie would win. Im both a Dorian and Ronnie fan, but dude youre in denial if you dont agree that Dorian said Ronnie would "probably" win, which is what he kept saying, meaning that Ronnie has the advantage.
Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.
pointing out the obvious , Dorian dominates like NO other , so much for your theory about Coleman's dominating physique
Is your IQ north of 100? You're not the brightest bulb on the shelf, ND.
Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.
pointing out the obvious , Dorian dominates like NO other , so much for your theory about Coleman's dominating physique
Quit recycling some else's ideas as your own, ND. You don't have an original thought or argument in your noggin.
It's well past 100 ;) and the old ad hominem attack huh? ironic you question my IQ when you're reduced to attacking the messenger because you don't touch the message.
no it's not like that Dorian 1990 was 220 pounds and 1993 was 257 BIG difference idiot
Ronnie 1996 250 pounds Ronnie 1999 257 pounds not much difference
1997/1999 he looks better in 97 smaller tighter midsection and much sharper delts
That's not recycling anything it's proving my point it's called convergence of evidence , you might try it some time
NO my ' sources ' plural are NOT ' awful ' Flex magazine is as good as it gets and the Special Ed ' conversation ' was on the radio which everyone heard just because you didn't don't try and down play it , these are Ronnie's words just because you don't like them doesn't mean anything
yes he said ' probably ' he also said ' I guess . I don't know " stop cherry picking , that's not definitive it's him wondering , Ronnie's quotes leave nothing to speculate he says outright he thinks Dorian would win and a few occasions , does it mean it's true? NO......but on the topic his opinion sure means a lot more than you
You can't be reasoned with, so I'm coming down to your level and playing in the gutter. :D
In all seriousness, what's your deal with Dorian?
Actually, Dorian was in his HIGH 220's in 1990 when he faced Momo.
Convergence of evidence? Nice try, but no.
Your love of Dorian knows no bounds, ND. Have you ever met your beloved King Yates to bask in his eternal glory and might?
Actually, Dorian was in his HIGH 220's in 1990 when he faced Momo.Do you have pics of Dorian at that bodyweight?
LOL! Good stuff, ND. Keep it comin'!
What's funny is you'll agree the 1990s is the best era for bodybuilding and who dominated much of them? Dorian Yates
I think the 90s were the best decade in bodybuilding, but I do not think Dorian was the best bodybuilder.
Dorian DOMINATED guys Ronnie had massive ammounts of trouble with , Dorian beat a near prime Flex in 1993 , Ronnie at his admitted best Olympia showing almost lost to a Flex who was a shell of his former self , Levrone in 2000/2002 no where near as perfect as he was in 1995 when Dorian destroyed him almost beat Ronnie , I mean the list goes on
Things change - just because I beat you today doesn't mean you won't beat me tomorrow. The competition got better, and Ronnie got better as well. Ronnie was just coming into his own as Dorian was exiting the sport.
Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie ? so what he didn't need to he was dominate from the beginning his first pro contest ever he placed second , his first Olympia placed second and actually did something NO ONE ever did beat Haney in the muscularity round , his second Olympia he won , he was a pure winner
Ok? What does any of this mean? Some people are late bloomers - it doesn't mean anything that Dorian started out faster while Ronnie took time to get his physique to Olympia-winning form.
88% win/loss ratio to Ronnie's 40% that is dominance
If winning is everything, Ronnie won 8 titles to Dorian's six. Winning percentage isn't the final measure, its WINS that count in the court of public opinion.
Do you have pics of Dorian at that bodyweight?;)
I think the 90s were the best decade in bodybuilding, but I do not think Dorian was the best bodybuilder.
things change - just because I beat you today doesn't mean you won't beat me tomorrow. The competition got better, and Ronnie got better as well. Ronnie was just coming into his own as Dorian was exiting the sport.
Ok? What does any of this mean? Some people are late bloomers - it doesn't mean anything that Dorian started out faster while Ronnie took time to get his physique to Olympia-winning form.
If winning is everything, Ronnie won 8 titles to Dorian's two. Winning percentage isn't the final measure, its WINS that count in the court of public opinion.
wow it looks like he put on muscle exactly where he needed it i.e. shoulders, traps + arms
seems like his calves got bigger too
he most certainly achieved supreme balance
Is your IQ north of 100? You're not the brightest bulb on the shelf, ND.
It doesn't matter if you think he was the best , what matters is who dominated most of the 1990s? Dorian
Ronnie had 5 years to beat Dorian and failed at every turn , did he improve? sure what areas? conditioning and size , and? Dorian wrote the book on both those areas and seeing how the 1990s is condsidered this best era as of late looks like the sport hasn't ' improved ' Dorian never face a prime Ronnie true and Ronnie never faced a prime Dorian
late bloomers? if you mean he beat guys past their primes that Dorian dominated in theirs? that type of late bloomer? my point was Dorian dominated right from the get go he's simply a more dominate bodybuilder
winning isn't everything yet you boast about the superior number of Sandows lol more great logic , winning percentage is the ONLY thing when it comes to dominating over the course of his career , Ronnie has more wins and more Sandows , Dorian's career was ended with injuries no need to speculate if he remained uninjured if he would have kept winning
hahaha no shit
Nobody wants to see a bloated guy with torn muscles beat guys who look like Greek gods.
hahaha no shit
Sometimes I kid, sometimes I'm serious.
Whatever the case, ND just doesn't "get it."
"Relentless"(relentless stupidity) can't even quote people's posts properly and use the proper verbal adjunctive as well as nominative on most of the sentences he writes, and he brags about IQ. It is incredible. The guy is undoubtedly one of the stupidest posters in this board and he regards himself as an intellectual.
SUCMYMUSCLE
SUCMYMUSCLE
he never has.
notice his whole argument rest upon magazine quotes, because real life shoots it down:
It's obvious this could go in circles forever. Here's the deal - IMO, Ronnie had superior: bodyparts, overall shape, mass, poses, top condition, workout poundages, number of Sandows, overall wins, respect from his competitors and the general bodybuilding public.
This is a subjective sport, so there's no way to reach a firm conclusion about something that judges a person's appearance. There's simply no definable measure as there is in other sports.
Dorian took bodybuilding to a new level after Lee Haney and Ronnie took bodybuilding to a different level after Dorian.
Here comes the comparisons where Ronnie's arms are bigger than Yates' legs and Dorian's waist is as small as Ronnie's...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"Relentless"(relentless stupidity) can't even quote people's posts properly and use the proper verbal adjunctive as well as nominative on most of the sentences he writes, and he brags about IQ. It is incredible. The guy is undoubtedly one of the stupidest posters in this board and he regards himself as an intellectual.
SUCMYMUSCLE
I'm not trying to be perfect, but I can spell my actual user name correctly...unlike you.
Brag about IQ? Show me where.
There are MANY pics showcasing Ronnie Coleman in mind-boggling form...but only a few of Dorian
yeah there is a definable measure to choose a better bodybuilder it's called the judging criteria , which includes balance & proportion , muscular bulk , density & dryness , posing & presentation , you keep showing your ignorance on how the sport goes when you type nonsense to the contrary and you have the audacity to question anyone's IQ lol how do you think the judges pick who's better? oh that's right you dismissed them as a joke already lol
this picture is from 1993 and I'm sorry the sport hasn't really improved upon this
The difference is that I do know how to properly spell my username, but you sure as shit can't use proper grammar and can't also quote people's posts correctly. ;) I could go through your posts and point out the syntactical and lexicographic faux passes you committ, but there are simply too many. Go back to seventh grade, dummy. :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
There are MANY pics showcasing Ronnie Coleman in mind-boggling form...but only a few of Dorian. Dorian should have won a few Olympias...but he did not deserve to win in 1994 and in 1997. 1996 is debatable.
An intellectual? and you kidding me? lol maybe in academics but like Hulkster he doesn't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding lol
mind-boggling? sure , Ronnie is impressive as hell that has nothing to do with beating Dorian , many feel Ronnie shouldn't have won many of his , Levrone in 2000/2002 , Cutler in 2001 , Flex said he was number 1 in 1999 does that make it true?
He bragged about IQ, which is laughable given his is probably at a level that would qualify him for food stamps for being a mentally impaired person. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're dumb. THE END
Dorian could have lost in 1992 to Kevin; go look at the Muscletime pics.
Dorian looked great and dominated the 1993 Olympia.
Dorian was off and could have lost to Shawn Ray in 1994, it was the first year he competed with a torn bicep.
Dorian hit his all time best in 1995 from a conditioning standpoint, still had torn bicep. Probably deserved the victory.
Dorian won in 1996 in less than stellar conditioning, another debatable win.
Dorian was clearly beaten by Nasser El Sonbaty in 1997.
Muscletime was quite vocal in their assertion that Kevin deserved to win in 92.
they even have kevin on the album cover LOL which they only do with the winners hahahaha
Oh, sorry for mispelling a word in a language that is not even my native tongue. You know, because properly spelling words is such a sign of intelligence in a board with a spell checker. :D I am willing to bet you use the spell checker like the mental defective you are every time before submitting a post. ;D In any case, anyone here can see that my grammar and prose style is superior to yours unquestionably, and be sure that my overral knowledge vastly supercedes yours.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Where's this bragging you keep referring to? I've never bragged about IQ, you moron.
Muscletime was quite vocal in their assertion that Kevin deserved to win in 92.
they even have kevin on the album cover LOL which they only do with the winners hahahaha
You asked ND whether his IQ was north of 100, which obviously means you were implying that yours is higher than his. Hence, bragging about IQ. Don't be so literal-minded, dipshit. You implied it indirectly. Do you have Asperger's Syndrome as well besides the Down's Syndrome? ;D
They were also quite vocal that Phil Heath won the last Olympia with straight firsts lmao , they know what again? ;) yeah I thought so
You're a tool. Too easy, Sucky!
You underlined three words that are spelled properly. Brutal self-ownage, dumbass. ;D And again, answer me how exactly is spelling words correctly a sign of intelligence when a spell-checker is available? It doesen't really matter, because I'm still more intelligent than you, regardless.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Don't you think Dorian probably should have only won 2 or 3? He was vastly overrated. Torn muscles shouldn't be winning the biggest contests in the world.
You underlined three words that are spelled properly. Brutal self-ownage, dumbass. ;D And again, answer me how exactly is spelling words correctly a sign of intelligence when a spell-checker is available? It doesen't really matter, because I'm still more intelligent than you, regardless.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
See when you type he was vastly overrated it shows your ignorance because he was the direct opposite , he was leaps & bounds better than anyone even at his worse , we already established you don't know how contests are judged and don't care , you don't know what conditioning is lol you're a typical Coleman fan
Uhh, he probably should have won last year, ND. You place way too much stock in judges. These guys get it wrong ALL OF THE TIME.
How so? Explain.
No these guys only get it wrong when YOU agree , but Ronnie wins he presented a ' dominating physique ' lol you can't have it both ways , either the judging is wrong all the time or right
What do you perceive yourself as? A typical Dorian fan?
Very simple: in terms of:
- IQ(ability to deal with complexity)
- Erudition.
- Working memory.
- Academic credentials.
- Literacy.
- Numeracy.
I destroy you. Hope this elucidates the issue for you. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dude, you are such a fuckin' moron. You can't spell ENGLISH correctly to save your life.
The judging is flawed. Sometimes they are more correct than others...depending on one's opinion.
Personally, I think they should have the fans at the show polled as 1/3 of the vote, the judges as another 1/3 and the last 1/3 internet voting. Why not let the actual fans have a bit of a say?
Ugh...there you go again, dumbass, underlining words that are spelled correctly. And I could mispell a billion words and my grammar would still be better than yours, and it wouldn't change the fact that English is only one of several languages I can write in. It doesen't change the fact that I am more intelligent than your, have a larger vocabulary, more knowledge on more topics than you do, greater academic achievements and a higher IQ. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You don't know a damn thing about my credentials. All we have as a measuring stick of intelligence here is our posting ability.
You can't spell or form grammatically correct sentences to save your very existence. You're just a getbig stooge.
ha ha ha ha lets make in American Idol
the judging is as good as it gets , 13 individuals all coming to the same conclusion , you're ignorant how they reach it , what criteria they reach it with of course it's going to be flawed when YOU don't agree , I felt the same way in 1993 when Dorian beat Flex Wheeler , I couldn't for the life of me figure out how , I cried politics , blah , blah , blah , I was routing for Flex Wheeler in 1993 especially seeing his spring showings , then I learned how contests are judged and what they look for and then I realized how far Flex was from Dorian and how great he was that year , I accepted my personal preference was wrong and learned something , give it a try it's liberating ;) you're to proud to admit you're wrong or may be wrong
Rest assured my grammar is superior to yours. Regarding that there is no doubt. As for your credentials, I know yours are shitty because you're a stupid person, and stupid people don't go very far in academia or get into good colleges.
And the best measuring stick of intelligence is the content of the posts, and I am clearly more intelligent than you when that is taken into consideration. BTW, my native language is Portuguese, and you couldn't write a single sentence in my native tongue, so STFU.
And for the last time, answer how is spelling words correctly a sign of intelligence when a spell-checker is available, dumbass. Just answer me this.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Where to start? I won't waste my time with such an infantile mind...
Ha ha ha...ok, "Relentless". You have certainly taught a lesson in maturity by starting with the insults in this thread and insulting ND's intelligence and calling me a "fat turd". Then, you derive a sense of accomplishment in pointing out spelling mistakes that the spell-checker pointed out to you. Whatever, dude. You da man. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Don't you think Dorian probably should have only won 2 or 3? He was vastly overrated. Torn muscles shouldn't be winning the biggest contests in the world.
See when you type he was vastly overrated it shows your ignorance because he was the direct opposite ,
See when you type he was vastly overrated it shows your ignorance because he was the direct opposite , he was leaps & bounds better than anyone even at his worse , we already established you don't know how contests are judged and don't care , you don't know what conditioning is lol you're a typical Coleman fan
1996 his conditioning was awesome , please go learn what conditioning is and then apologize
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.
yes, he was vastly overrated.
92 was debatable -Kevin was awesome but yates owned him from the back
93 - yates
94 shawn - dorian looking bloated, fat and drunk (see pic) lol
95- dorian in good shape, but still that missing bi. nasser again owned from the front..
96 shawn - see muscletime
97 - nasser easily.
dorian had
Dorian loved to dry out the night before a contest with vodka shots.
yes, he was vastly overrated.Yeah, Dorian looks bloated, fat, and drunk here.... ::)
92 was debatable -Kevin was awesome but yates owned him from the back
93 - yates
94 shawn - dorian looking bloated, fat and drunk (see pic) lol
95- dorian in good shape, but still that missing bi. nasser again owned from the front..
96 shawn - see muscletime
97 - nasser easily.
dorian had
lol great pic royal lion lolShawn did look great that year and his conditioning was better than Dorian's. However, Dorian was what, 40lbs heavier and nearly as conditioned. In that fdb shot, Shawn's vacuum pose looks great, but Dorian dwarfs him, as he did in nearly all other poses. Dorian wins the rdb shot, the rear lat spread, the side tricep shot, side chest shot, the front lat spread - Ray gets the most muscular (not a mandatory then) and even the ab shot (which would be close) and the front dbl bicep shot. Dorian still wins.
shawn is killing dorian in the front double bi - vaccum and everything.
dorian has one arm there..
and he is holding his own in the back shot, just as contest reviewers like Musclemag pointed out.
and its easy to see why:
shawn has better arms, ripped glutes, better hams, great back detail.
dorian has the edge in upper back thickness and calves, thats about it.
not the total massacre you would expect. shawn was that good that year:
lol great pic royal lion lol
shawn is killing dorian in the front double bi - vaccum and everything.
dorian has one arm there..
and he is holding his own in the back shot, just as contest reviewers like Musclemag pointed out.
and its easy to see why:
shawn has better arms, ripped glutes, better hams, great back detail.
dorian has the edge in upper back thickness and calves, thats about it.
not the total massacre you would expect. shawn was that good that year:
Dorian is killing Shawn here...Dorian is way more conditioned. And that front double bi is laughable for Shawn, he's so small you don't even notice him....just like the 95 prejudging video. Dorian's thickness in that shot is killing everyone
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=323971;image)
How can you rationalize Dorian's horrible biceps? His arms aren't top 5 caliber. I'm sorry, that's a HUGE weakness.His right bicep looks just fine - in fact his right arm looks better than Ray's. His left bicep was torn and it did detract in certain poses. However, as Dorian has said, if he loses the front dbl biceps pose but wins on the rest of the criteria, he wins the Mr. O.
ronnie at his prime had better arms then anybody in de biz
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.
Impressive calves + Shitty arms 8)typical levrone fan...
ewwwww
typical levrone fan...
all about arms
You're ignorance falls short again and why? Dorian has striated glutes and Ronnie was very lucky in 01/02 he was outclassed and still ' won '
amd as far as proportion Dorian may not have been Paris or Labrada but he's still leaps & bounds better than Ronnie in this department he did better than these guys because he meet ALL of the criteria better than them NOT just parts of it , that's how it's done
Dorian depending on the year carries more muscular bulk , any year has better density & dryness everywhere not just in the ' ass ' any year has better balance & proportion and better posing & presentation , END OF THE ROAD sorry Ronnie beat for the umpteenth time by Dorian
In 92, Kevin Smoked Dorian everywhere (except Back thickness , with better details though) but they couldn’t give it to him since he was an O first timer.
so what is the typical Dorian fan ..?A Dorian fan appreciates
Back & calves nothing else
So, you think that that every judge put better scores on their scoresheets for Dorian Yates even though they felt that Levrone was better, because, collectively, they all agreed they could'nt "give it to a first timer".
Gotcha.
A Dorian fan appreciates
BALANCE (i.e. we don't just assess a physique by arms ::) )
PROPORTION
DENSITY
HARDNESS
CONDITIONING
MUSCULAR BULK
All of these qualities Dorian possessed to a high degree...
and yet ronnie possessed them all to a much higher degree:
Ronnie is indeed a much completer and freakier bb! hands down!
and yet ronnie possessed them all to a much higher degree:NASSER beat them all in these pics ;D
How do you guys have energy or time for this? Its a constant battle and neither side will ever admit defeat...
Dorian wouldn't win on a single bodypart, this would be his downfall.
Dorian wouldn't win on a single bodypart, this would be his downfall.
Fair point about being out-classed. I just think, much as you wouldn't like to believe it, Dorian would out-class 2003 Ronnie, but Ronnie would still 'win' as you put it. You can argue Jay won 2001 show, but basically it didn't happen. And Ronnie 2003 was a whole lot bigger with better condition. Your point about the mandatories is strong, but Dorian wouldn't win on a single bodypart, this would be his downfall.
This is where Dorian would beat Ronnie , he simply accumulates more mandatory poses and seeing the judges look for ALL the criteria in ever single pose this clearly favor's Yates , so while Ronnie may have better parts in a pose he doesn't have meet ALL of the criteria better , judges look for balance & proportion in every single pose , as well as density & dryness , as well as muscular bulk as well as posing & presentation , so while Ronnie may have advantages in part of this criteria Dorian has more advantages in ALL of this criteria
FYI contests aren't judged on bodyparts no, but having great bodyparts adds an overall appearance that is judged upon., you're showing your ignorance again contests are judged on the criteria ALL of the criteria you accuse me of demeaning others based on IQ, yet you call others "ignorant" at every turn, what you don't know is all rounds are physique rounds , which means the judges look for ALL of the criteria in every single round whats the criteria?, ever wonder how Dorian won the symmetry round despite not being the most symmetrical? yes, this is one of the mysteries of bodybuildingor the posing round despite not being the best poser? all rounds are physique rounds is your answer and Dorian still shouldnt win
This is where Dorian would beat Ronnie , he simply accumulates more mandatory poses and seeing the judges look for ALL the criteria in ever single pose this clearly favor's Yates , so while Ronnie may have better parts in a pose he doesn't have meet ALL of the criteria better , judges look for balance & proportion in every single pose , as well as density & dryness , as well as muscular bulk as well as posing & presentation , so while Ronnie may have advantages in part of this criteria Dorian has more advantages in ALL of this criteria
What separates Dorian any year is balance & proportion and density & dryness these are areas Dorian will always have a clear advantage compared to any year Ronnie How so? Ronnie displayed conditioning and SEPARATION no one has matched before or since, depending on the year Ronnie has an advantages in muscular bulk however that's negated by a deficiency in conditioning & balance balance? do you think Ronnie would have had better "balance" if he had torn his bicep?, another clear advantage for Yates is posing & presentation , Dorian is clearly better at posing and posing to show his physique off to it's best advantage clearly better? thats a matter of opinion, and many disagree with you
Ronnie 2001 who cares about Ronnie in 2001? That was not anywhere close to his best condition, why would you pick that year of all others?may come very close to equaling Dorian in density & dryness but falls short in muscular bulk , balance & proportion , posing & presentation , etc this is how it works Dorian simply meets ALL of the criteria better than Ronnie and this is exactly how he would win because this is judged in every single pose in every single round , so please learn how contests are judged before you try and say why Ronnie would win then you would spare yourself the embarrassment of claiming Dorian wouldn't win a single body part especially when it's not how contests are judged ;) Again, you seem to think these IDIOTS judging bodybuilding shows get it right. Do you ever stop and wonder if judges rewarding less-than-worthy physiques might have something to do with this sport not being on ESPN anymore and having deteriorated in general? The judges argument simply doesn't work. IFBB judging has been exposed as a travesty time and time again.
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I give you our multiple-Olympia "winner" with perfect scores. :o
He did deserve some of those wins, but his physique deteriorated and he kept getting rewarded.
I'm with you on this one, pumpster. Dorian is not the man who should have represented the best of bodybuilding 1992-1997. He did deserve some of those wins, but his physique deteriorated and he kept getting rewarded.
You could say the same for Ronnie - he was not at his peak for every win.
Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:I'd rather have Kevin's physique than that of Dorian or Ronnie. Would you rather have Kevin's or Ronnie's?
Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates?
Yeah - Dorian was constantly owned on stage which is why most consider him to be either the most or second most dominant Mr. Olympia of all time.
Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:
Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates?
the answer should be clear:Dorrian Rules all the Mr Olympia's greatest ever ;D
bwahahahaha
you obviously don't read many people's opinions on his post tear 'reign' do you?
::)
Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:
Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates?
no, but having great bodyparts adds an overall appearance that is judged upon.,
you accuse me of demeaning others based on IQ, yet you call others "ignorant" at every turn,
whats the criteria?
yes, this is one of the mysteries of bodybuilding
and Dorian still shouldnt win
How so? Ronnie displayed conditioning and SEPARATION no one has matched before or since
balance? do you think Ronnie would have had better "balance" if he had torn his bicep?,
clearly better? thats a matter of opinion, and many disagree with you
who cares about Ronnie in 2001? That was not anywhere close to his best condition, why would you pick that year of all others?
Again, you seem to think these IDIOTS judging bodybuilding shows get it right. Do you ever stop and wonder if judges rewarding less-than-worthy physiques might have something to do with this sport not being on ESPN anymore and having deteriorated in general? The judges argument simply doesn't work. IFBB judging has been exposed as a travesty time and time again.
more mandatories my ass
::)
even dorian's best pose gets crushed thanks to detail, seperation and shape, in addition to the 257 pounds of mass:
even those that support dorian have admitted they would rather look like Mr. Levrone
but hey the judging criteria is far more important than who the paying fans would actually want to look like ::)
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Dorian is destroying Ronnie in that shot NO CONTEST
Dorian harder & drier , 260 pounds better balance & proportion and posing added in much better lat sweep and you have a clear winner for Yates
It's a great way to ruin what was formerly a great sport, isn't it?
Uhhh...no.
Uhhh...no.
The awarded Ronnie looking like this but that's okay? more hypocrisy
Says the guy who admittedly don't know what he's looking for lol ;D
bwahahahaha
you obviously don't read many people's opinions on his post tear 'reign' do you?
::)
Comparing individual pics is pointless, ND. That comparison doesn't prove anything one way or another.
And neither do you ;) and this was Ronnie at his best ;D and worse
Shawn Ray 1998 Olympia
Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
Flex Wheeler 1998 Olympia
It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
Kevin Levrone
The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.
So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.
How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?
I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.
The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.
Ronnie according to his contemporaries could have lost in 1998 , Flex at the Olympia 1999 turned his back on Ronnie and proclaimed he was number 1 , Levrone flat out said he beat Ronnie in 2000/2002 , Jay Cutler in 2001 , Jay said he was beating Ronnie in 04 in many of Ronnie strongest poses
Hulkster = owned ;)
I agree with you, that look SHOULD NOT be rewarded. However, Dorian set the precedent for the years that followed. It's not Dorian fault, btw...its the judges who rewarded bellies over V-Taper.
What do you do for a living, ND? You seem to have quite a bit of time and a "wind" for these back-and-forth battles.
I'm in field sales, so I'm on the computer quite a bit and need a break from business-related emails/material every now and then.
1997 Dorian with an awesome V-taper when held tightly but he did set the trend for Olympia winners with a distended gutThat is a crazy shot of Dorian - especially considering it was from his worst year, 97. Sadly both Dorian and Ronnie set the trend for extreme size and the consequential accompanying stomach distention (when not controlled).
Wow..that was a real OWNING, ND. *yawn*
This is all a matter of opinion, and I believe the MAJORITY of bodybuilding fans consider Ronnie > Dorian. There's something to be said for that.
bwahahahaha.....97 was controversial, but he dominated in his other wins.
and Ronnie considers Dorian better and there's something to said in that after all he's the great bodybuilder of all time
yes, he is not an arrogant guy like Flex Wheeler.
ronnie is the best but he won't tell you that.
flex on the other hand, wasn't, but claimed to the world that he was...
1997 Dorian with an awesome V-taper when held tightly but he did set the trend for Olympia winners with a distended gut
good V taper in that shot, but as with every pic in his career, arms were 3 sizes too small...
No he really believe Dorian is better , this is coming from the same guy who said Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat him and he better be reborn with better genetics ;)
owned again ;D you make it to easy
An uninjured Coleman would have never lost to Jay, anyone would agree with that. Coleman only lost the title when his injuries got the better of him. Going for a record 9 titles was his only mistake and not dropping out when he should have, but that's what happens when people strive to be the best, their desire to win sometimes gets the better of them.
There's something to be said for hanging in the towel when you know you can't win again (Yates, Haney) and there's also something to be said for pushing on for another win (Coleman).
According to Hulkster I work at McDonalds and hey they have free Wi-Fi so I'm always connected lmao despite my huge post count I still only average 11 posts a day so I'm not on here as much as people believe but I mean this is the 21 century I can't think of any mobile device without the internet so I can post on the go or at home
No he really believe Dorian is better , this is coming from the same guy who said Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat him and he better be reborn with better genetics ;)
owned again ;D you make it to easy
Context, ND, context. And what is your definition of owning someone? I haven't seen you own anyone.
So what do you do for a living?
crickets. Wait for the knee-jerk reaction intended to change the subject.
No he really believe Dorian is better , this is coming from the same guy who said Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat him and he better be reborn with better genetics ;)
owned again ;D you make it to easy
Lying is always an option...
These arm look pretty damn big to me :o (I see Pumpster & Hulkster are posting their favorite Dorian pics....the one's where he isn't even in the pose yet)
for fucks sake guys
These arm look pretty damn big to me :o (I see Pumpster & Hulkster are posting their favorite Dorian pics....the one's where he isn't even in the pose yet)
Let's go with shots where he's making the person he's standing beside look like Oliva. ;D
There are a few shots of Dorian that showcase great arm development...but they are few and far between and often feature the right arm. Ronnie Coleman and Dorian's arms can't really be compared - Ronnie is light years ahead of Dorian. I think Dorian's arms were often the worst amongst the top pros during his Olympia reign.
Lying is always an option...
How the hell would you know what Ronnie Coleman believes? CONTEXT, dude.
because I've read up extensively on the subject
and to answer your question I work for one of the largest flower wholesalers on the East coast
lol common sense is his kryptonite.
Here's the REAL view of those late 90s bricklayer arms. :-X
There are a few shots of Dorian that showcase great arm development...but they are few and far between and often feature the right arm. Ronnie Coleman and Dorian's arms can't really be compared - Ronnie is light years ahead of Dorian. I think Dorian's arms were often the worst amongst the top pros during his Olympia reign.
and learned nothing..
if there is one thing people begin to realize after 'debating' with you is that you have a set of ideas and you will not deviate from them, even if you have been proven wrong time and time again..
eg. you pick which quotes fit your agenda, and if contradictory quotes (along with visuals) show your first quote to be incorrect, you dont care and continue to push it anyway.. ::)
you are like classic debater comitting fallacy after fallacy- by sweeping contradictory evidence under your dorian-cum-stained-carpet.. :-X
Why would I lie? what do I have to hide? I could work pumping gas and I would still know more on the subject than you Hulkster , pumpster and every other Trollman fan combined and why? because I've read up extensively on the subject , and basing your knowledge on your posts it's painfully obvious none of you know the first thing about how contests are judged , what the criteria is and what judges look for .
and to answer your question I work for one of the largest flower wholesalers on the East coast , I start at 5 a.m ( or earlier ) and I'm usually out for the day by 1 p.m so I can post during the say when most people are still working and again who can't post with a mobile device during the day? and I still only average 11 posts a day ;)
yeah the set of ideas is called the IFBB judging criteria and why deviate from them? that's how the game is played kid ...still haven't caught on either ;) you have NOT ever proven me wrong not once keep typing it's all you have , let's say you did prove me wrong YOU would not be in another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie is better ;DFlower Boy is melting down lol
I post the quotes that prove what I've been saying all along , I claimed Yates was better conditioned out of the two and you denied , denied and denied , I posted quotes from Yates and McGough saying as much , proving I was right all along and how did you counter? denial as usual , so me ONE single quote that contradicts this statement YOU CAN'T DO IT and never could , I claimed Yates had better balance & proportion than Ronnie and I backed that up as well , where are quote to the contrary ? NO WHERE
You're not a debater under any circumstances because you don't even know how contests are judged , how the fuck can you even attempt to debate when you don't know the rules? you're the moron who claimed Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler LMAO there is no debate just me correcting your nonsense
yeah the set of ideas is called the IFBB judging criteria and why deviate from them? that's how the game is played kid ...still haven't caught on either ;) you have NOT ever proven me wrong not once keep typing it's all you have , let's say you did prove me wrong YOU would not be in another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie is better ;D
I post the quotes that prove what I've been saying all along , I claimed Yates was better conditioned out of the two and you denied , denied and denied , I posted quotes from Yates and McGough saying as much , proving I was right all along and how did you counter? denial as usual , so me ONE single quote that contradicts this statement YOU CAN'T DO IT and never could , I claimed Yates had better balance & proportion than Ronnie and I backed that up as well , where are quote to the contrary ? NO WHERE
You're not a debater under any circumstances because you don't even know how contests are judged , how the fuck can you even attempt to debate when you don't know the rules? you're the moron who claimed Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler LMAO there is no debate just me correcting your nonsense
Flower Boy is melting down lol
How do quotes relate to something that is SUBJECTIVE? All you are doing is taking other people's opinions to back yours. You haven't proven anything.
How do quotes relate to something that is SUBJECTIVE? All you are doing is taking other people's opinions to back yours. You haven't proven anything.
common sense? the irony of YOU of all people typing that word , what do you know of common sense? ;)
" pumpster : Vic's calves are pathetic , Branch's ( Warrens ) aren't much better "
you absolutely know nothing about common sense , another pumpster gem " Ronnie dominated the 2001 Mr Olympia " lmao how so? by losing the whole prejudging ;)
exactly.
ND loves to post quotes that are proven wrong by the visuals, but he posts and believes the quotes anyway..even if there are other quotes that contradict his quote that are BACKED UP by the visuals..
like I said, its sweeping the evidence under the carpet..
Typical Hulkster can't respond so attack ;)
You criticized me for attacking you personally, yet here you are insinuating someone else lacks common sense.
HYPOCRITE!
lmfao proven wrong by visuals? show the the visuals that prove Flex beat Dorian in 1993 , please do ;) again you are ALWAYS in direct opposition of the judges what does that tell us? you're wrong
You criticized me for attacking you personally, yet here you are insinuating someone else lacks common sense.
HYPOCRITE!
again you are ALWAYS in direct opposition of the judges what does that tell us? you're wrong
Do you believe judges get it right all of the time? Do you believe people in positions of authority who are asked to make subjective decisions are always correct?
You're banging your head against the wall, ND.
No , no just turning the tables on him ;) that's not an attack that's pointing out the irony of his claim , please learn the difference
I called you ignorant because it applies , you don't know how contests are judged , they didn't until I thought them now they just keep denying , so when you're no longer ignorant but still keep the same path you become stupid and I'll point that out as well as long as it applies ;D
no it tell us that I, like most knowledgable fans, see reality not what the IFBB wants us to believe..
eg. how can dorian win the symmetry rounds with perfect scores with a missing arm?
but no, the judges are always correct LMAO ::)
I absolutely do NOT think ANY contests are fixed
Dorian is an increadibly ugly looking person, there is no doubt that. Especially his face which looks like a kind of bulldog.
He did produce some pretty amazing pics though. The one at the beginning of this thread is one of my favourites of him. There is another memorable one of him in a pair of socks, black and white, probably taken around the same time which also looks awesome.
ahahaha NarcisissticFlowery is getting OWNED!
You're a fuckin' nutcase, dude. Where do start with all of your deluded viewpoints? I'm not afraid of getting personal, as I wouldn't be able to stand being around you for more than 5 seconds in a real-life situation. There's little, if any, rhyme or reason to anything you post on here.
I'm done wasting my time going back-and-forth with an imbecile such as yourself.
At the end of the day I think the general public would rather see a champion bodybuilder with a full head of hair than a bald headed one.
Getting more and more desperate..now we care about hair? lol
yes, all rounds are physique rounds, and dorian's missing arm looked like shit in evey one of them.. ::)
My advice is to stop responding to his posts. He can't be reasoned with on any level - just let him keep posting his dominant Dorian drivel.
You know what? I don't think I've come across anyone with a decent physique themselves who thinks Dorian was the greatest or most dominant champion of all the Mr. Olympias. I think the people who like the Dorian, Cutler, or Ruhl type of physique are mostly people who don't have an aesthetic physique themselves. They can't identify with someone with a more aesthetically pleasing physique.
Ever notice how the biggest Jay Cutler fans are all fat, blocky, sloppy lookin' white dudes?
yup, they don't get it
ronnie had mass with class.
My advice is to stop responding to his posts. He can't be reasoned with on any level - just let him keep posting his dominant Dorian drivel.
You know what? I don't think I've come across anyone with a decent physique themselves who thinks Dorian was the greatest or most dominant champion of all the Mr. Olympias. I think the people who like the Dorian, Cutler, or Ruhl type of physique are mostly people who don't have an aesthetic physique themselves. They can't identify with someone with a more aesthetically pleasing physique.
Ever notice how the biggest Jay Cutler fans are all fat, blocky, sloppy lookin' white dudes?
How could a person who witnesses the beauty of flowers on a daily basis admire such an ugly physique? ;D
yup, they don't get it
ronnie had mass with class.
And guess what? They never will. Either you "get it" or you don't.
yes, all rounds are physique rounds, and dorian's missing arm looked like shit in evey one of them.. ::)
Ahh see in direct opposition with the judges once again , thanks for proving your ignorance
Hulkster to quote the IFBB judge in 1994 " Dorian had a slight injury that made no overall difference what so ever "
the only pose it really effected him in was the front double biceps pose and if you knew how contests were judged you'd realize that he could lose that pose and still win with a perfect score
see this is exactly what I mean- blindly going along with the IFBB bullshit
::)
one pose my ass:
::)
you have the balls to claim Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia yet say Yates should have lost in 1994 LMFAO epic hypocrisy
why is that hypocrisy?
::)
ronnie was off but jay wasn't that great
dorian was off but shawn was 'near perfect' as musclemag called him that year.
you are comparing apples to oranges..
::)
think next time before you post
lmfao Jay wasn't that great , the judges disagree he beat Ronnie Coleman in the prejudging in essence he won the whole show , once again you're always in direct opposition with the judges NOTHING NEW
and let's see what MuscleMag had to say
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
The Sandow wasn't given a handout , Dorian won it fair and square , anything else you need corrected?
lmfao Jay wasn't that great , the judges disagree he beat Ronnie Coleman in the prejudging in essence he won the whole show , once again you're always in direct opposition with the judges NOTHING NEW
and let's see what MuscleMag had to say
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
The Sandow wasn't given a handout , Dorian won it fair and square , anything else you need corrected?
lmfao Jay wasn't that great , the judges disagree he beat Ronnie Coleman in the prejudging in essence he won the whole show , once again you're always in direct opposition with the judges NOTHING NEW
and let's see what MuscleMag had to say
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
The Sandow wasn't given a handout , Dorian won it fair and square , anything else you need corrected?
Why do you think quoting other people makes your case more relevant when we are discussing something SUBJECTIVE as bodybuilding?
Unbelievable...you're beyond hope.
you clearly forget that the muscle go round section of that magazine stated that dorian 'stole the title like a one armed bandit"
Another moronic statement. Ronnie won the show, not Jay. The first place check and title go to the guy with the lowest score after 4 rounds, not the prejudging.
"In essence"...LOL!
Why do you think quoting other people makes your case more relevant when we are discussing something SUBJECTIVE as bodybuilding?
Unbelievable...you're beyond hope.
See another point on competitive bodybuilding that you don't understand , the meat & potatoes of a bodybuilding contests was ALWAYS the prejudging 99% of the time the contest was decided in these rounds ONLY never before has a guy lost the prejudging and won the whole show , the night show was always for the fans but Ronnie pulled it out in the posing rounds and won the contest and whats ironic is I would never claimed it was fixed , and I understand how Ronnie won , but to claim Yates lost in 94 and Ronnie somehow dominated is beyond retarded
you clearly forget that the muscle go round section of that magazine stated that dorian 'stole the title like a one armed bandit"
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again the criteria is NOT subjective , please learn how contests are judged before you commit to this nonsense again
you're beyond comprehension
Hulkster, don't you get it dude? The IFBB judges ALWAYS make the right call! They ALWAYS pick the guy with the best physique to take the show! They ALWAYS know more about what a quality physique looks like than the fans do! THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT BODYBUILDING THAN WE COULD EVER HOPE TO!
THE IFBB KNOWS ALL! Look at their track record over the years...it's the most professional organization in the world and we should respect their decisions. We lowly bodybuilding fans don't know shit about what looks good and what doesn't.
For an infantile mind such as yours, yes.
NarcisissticFlowery is just getting crushed back and fourth between me and Relentless!
Kai Greene just won the Arnold after having trailed Victor Martinez in prejudging. It's happened before and its happened since. There's a reason why they "judge" all 4 rounds.
You all of people would know what is "beyond retarded."
Keep educating me ND! You're doing a great job.
Ha ha ha personal attacks because you have nothing , thanks for conceding defeat
you don't know how bodybuilding is judged therefore your opinion is ignorant , biased and flat out wrong and you know you can't counter my points using the criteria you just attack the messenger , thanks for playing though ;)
He is getting the ol' message board bitch-slap, ain't he? ND doesn't have the goods...and he's too stupid to realize the fact. Most people who lack skill have an understanding of their weaknesses and don't engage in battles they can't win. Unfortunately, ND is missing this characteristic.
Remember, everything I post is what I've learned from you, ND! Personal attacks and hypocrisy rule the day in your fantasy land. There must be something in those flowers messing with your brain function...
New Pic ( to me )
ND
people just don't understand why you constantly defend dorian
you named several bodybuilders that you are more a fan of, yet you rarely if ever defend these guys when people point out their flaws
you've been having the same argument with hulkster for what 5 years now?
serious question, why is it your mission to defend dorian to no end?
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No personal attack pointing out is ignorant quite the contrary , and the irony of you claiming anyone is a hypocrite , please look up projection
ND
people just don't understand why you constantly defend dorian
you named several bodybuilders that you are more a fan of, yet you rarely if ever defend these guys when people point out their flaws
you've been having the same argument with hulkster for what 5 years now?
serious question, why is it your mission to defend dorian to no end?
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Earl where are they? in a Dorian Yates thread this has nothing to do with Ronnie and they always troll their opinion trying to prove me wrong
And you don't pay attention I've had a multiple page thread defending Reeves natural status with gh15 , I do with other but they tend to follow me around into every thread making it a Yates thread that speaks volumes about them , I walked away from all this , I ended the truce thread , I beat them and walked away and guess who keeps trying to recreate the truce thread? not me lol
I won , they lost ,hence why they follow ME
I'm betting ND is the typical out-of-shape white guy who idolizes Dorian's tremendous work ethic and rugged physique. There are many things to like about Dorian, but he does not represent the ideal physique.
I have never seen ND post about anything other than this topic. He is incessant in his fight to prove Dorian was something that most of us know he is not: The most dominant bodybuilding champion of all time. To the intelligent, rational person, this argument seems ridiculous. However, in his twisted reality, Dorian is the greatest.
I don't get it and I never will. Dorian had certain shots and a few contests where he sported excellent looks. However, he is not the aesthetic ideal and many bodybuilding fans left the sport after he "took it to the next level" after Lee Haney. The judges who rewarded Dorian closed the sport off from ever gaining mass appeal.
I have never seen ND post about anything other than this topic. He is incessant in his fight to prove Dorian was something that most of us know he is not: The most dominant bodybuilding champion of all time. To the intelligent, rational person, this argument seems ridiculous. However, in his twisted reality, Dorian is the greatest.
I don't get it and I never will. Dorian had certain shots and a few contests where he sported excellent looks. However, he is not the aesthetic ideal and many bodybuilding fans left the sport after he "took it to the next level" after Lee Haney. The judges who rewarded Dorian closed the sport off from ever gaining mass appeal.
The judges who rewarded Dorian closed the sport off from ever gaining mass appeal.
Wanna call a truce again? :D
Earl where are they? in a Dorian Yates thread this has nothing to do with Ronnie and they always troll their opinion trying to prove me wrong
And you don't pay attention I've had a multiple page thread defending Reeves natural status with gh15 , I do with other but they tend to follow me around into every thread making it a Yates thread that speaks volumes about them , I walked away from all this , I ended the truce thread , I beat them and walked away and guess who keeps trying to recreate the truce thread? not me lol
I won , they lost ,hence why they follow ME
No truce , I won .
game over ;) you guys are in a Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie is better I keep winning ;D
yeah you left the truce thread, but there was no truce the "battle" is being fought all over getbig
you say they are trolls, why do you feed the trolls?
why defend dorian but not flex wheeler? flex gets his fair share of hate here, why can't you defend him? I said kevin levrone was better and you didn't respond much to that
if i said he was better than dorian, it would've gone to 5 pages before i finally got tired of the argument
why do you have to defend dorian?
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Good post - we are on the verge of something here. Why does ND have such a big crush on Dorian? What's so wonderful about Dorian that captures his heart and soul?
blowjobs.
with flowers afterwards. :-X
You aren't winning anything by any definition.
Are you related to AXA? The only thing you're doing is annoying the shit out of everyone.
no shit. ND lost the truce thread so badly he was too embarrassed to post in it anymore.
I mean why would you want to be the clear loser in a thread that will probably be famous on the internet bb community for years to come?
I wouldn't.
ND didn't either so he split.
yeah you left the truce thread, but there was no truce the "battle" is being fought all over getbig
you say they are trolls, why do you feed the trolls?
why defend dorian but not flex wheeler? flex gets his fair share of hate here, why can't you defend him? I said kevin levrone was better and you didn't respond much to that
if i said he was better than dorian, it would've gone to 5 pages before i finally got tired of the argument
why do you have to defend dorian?
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Again you see what you want , I wont defend Flex crying he should have won in 98/99 etc , he lost fair & square and I've said many time at his best Flex could beat Dorian , if I was such a Dorian delusional I would never claim that
again I was the bigger man by offering a truce , he didn't want it and paid dearly for it , and I was the bigger man by walking away , the problem isn't me I can post on here without Dorian or Ronnie , they can't
no shit. ND lost the truce thread so badly he was too embarrassed to post in it anymore.
I mean why would you want to be the clear loser in a thread that will probably be famous on the internet bb community for years to come?
I wouldn't.
ND didn't either so he split.
I remember MD running a long article with testimony from athletes and industry people who all concurred that Ronnie Coleman is a genetic specimen that we have never seen before. What he was able to accomplish and the different dominating looks he was able to achieve (1998 O, 1999 O, 2001 Arnold, 2003 O) have put Ronnie at the top of the heap.
ND is in denial; it all goes back to his love of Dorian Yates. He simply LOVES the guy.
You aren't winning anything by any definition.
Are you related to AXA? The only thing you're doing is annoying the shit out of everyone.
LOL! "Paid dearly for it" Damn, you're serious bro!
Don't stop....keep it going, ND!
:o
Good pic!
....for a white guy.
Good pic!
....for a white guy.
Exactly why schmoe ND doesn't defend Wheeler the same way-wrong skin pigmentation. :-\
ND is getbig's Ben Weider when it comes to white muscle worship. :-*
Don't stop....keep it going, ND!
funny, thats what dorian said to ND the other night...after ND came home with some flowers.. :-X
This coming from the guy who compares Ronnie's as striations from one contest to the next lmao
when I have ever done that?
nope.
hamstrings maybe. but not his ass.
:P
Face it, Dorian dominated during the most competitive era of pro bodybuilding
Face it, he was scored much higher than he should have been..esp. post tear..That's not even the same pose, and Dorian looks every bit as conditioned as Ray there. Standing next to one another, Ray would look small.
Face it, Dorian dominated during the most competitive era of pro bodybuilding.
This shot is just incredible; unbelievable mass from head to toe. Shawn ray is pathetic in comparison
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=324382;image)
Absolutely. Even when Dorian wasn't at his peak he was still good enough to win. He was that good.
Actually, the judges were that BAD. Ever wonder why bodybuilding has gone downhill over the past decade or more? Part of the reason is because guys like Dorian were being rewarded over more aesthetic physiques.I see your point and have to agree somewhat. However, Dorian, Ronnie, and Jay did what needed to be done in order to be rewarded by the IFBB judges. I think all three of them looked better at lighter weights, however, the judges wanted mass at the expense of aesthetics. For example, Dorian looked best from 92-95, Ronnie looked best 98-99, and Jay looked his best in 01. But, with Dexter's win maybe the criteria has changed in favor of the more aesthetic look. Guess we'll find out in October.
I see your point and have to agree somewhat. However, Dorian, Ronnie, and Jay did what needed to be done in order to be rewarded by the IFBB judges. I think all three of them looked better at lighter weights, however, the judges wanted mass at the expense of aesthetics. For example, Dorian looked best from 92-95, Ronnie looked best 98-99, and Jay looked his best in 01. But, with Dexter's win maybe the criteria has changed in favor of the more aesthetic look. Guess we'll find out in October.
Come on man, the criteria has never changed. The competitor that presents the best combo and size and condition wins.My point is that Dorian, Ronnie, and Jay all lost some aesthetics while playing the size game. In addition to size and condition, however, structure, balance/symmetry, and presentation also play a role in who wins.
Absolutely. Even when Dorian wasn't at his peak he was still good enough to win. He was that good.
Dorian had the size, conditioning, presentatiion, and total package to win during the most competitive era of bodybuilding.
Tremendous pics of dorian!!! :o :o
From which Mr. O is this?
lol if dorian had the 'size' and 'total package' then why does someone who is 50 pounds lighter (ray)
More:Awesome shots Rocketswitch - thanks for posting them. Yates's domination further confirmed. :)
Awesome shots Rocketswitch - thanks for posting them. Yates's domination further confirmed. :)
If Dorian didn't have that torn right bicep, it would be easier for the bodybuilding public to accept his Mr. Olympia titles post-tear.
No problem Royal. There are more pics on the DVD but I will post them another time.
I value the views of IFBB judges more than that of members of the "bodybuilding public" such as you. No disrespect, but very few people on this board attended any of Yates' contests. I saw him guest pose 7 times between 93 and 96 and he just got better and better each year even post-tear.
Awesome job , great pics , Dorian just killing everyone
...in your opinion.
Dorian dominated the twinks minds in here! :D
And in the opinion of the judges who KILL your opinion ;)
...in your opinion.
NO in their opinion which is all that matters that's a mater of fact
...in your opinion.
Levrone's chest was so weak it wasn't funny. Yeah, that's a really weak chest. ::)His chest lacked size, thickness and depth that Yates clearly had more than anyone else at the time. Even little Shawn Ray has a better developed chest than Levrone's soft saggy man boobs Saggy man boobs? Please...in this comparison:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=324425;image)
it's friday fucking night
insted of chasing pussy you are talking about buff dudes
WTF ???????????????
My woman happens to be sitting beside me laughing at Yates' dominance over Hulkster & Pumpster's ebony heroes.:D
:D
you mean your boyfriend ?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Gay_Couple_togetherness_in_bed_02.jpg/512px-Gay_Couple_togetherness_in_bed_02.jpg)
Thanks for sharing with us that picture from your hard drive. Now we know the truth about you. ;Djust fucking w/ you
just fucking w/ you
redeem yourself w/ a nice pic of your better half
you gotta be in the pic too ;)
No offence taken, but there are way too many pervs/rapists on this site to carry out your request. Sorry.:D
The only poses really that Yates loses in is the front double bi, simply due to the tear, everything else is above the other competitors. The other poses he pretty much dominates everyone else in, especially from the back.
People will always nit pick on the tear, but taking into account the entire mandatory poses it really only affects the FDB.
My woman happens to be sitting beside me laughing at Yates' dominance over Hulkster & Pumpster's ebony heroes.
The only poses really that Yates loses in is the front double bi, simply due to the tear, everything else is above the other competitors. The other poses he pretty much dominates everyone else in, especially from the back.
People will always nit pick on the tear, but taking into account the entire mandatory poses it really only affects the FDB.
Keep helping me ;) and Hulkster says I'm running lmfao the topic is Dorian Yates FYIDamn I dont see anyone beating this now or ever ;D
More from Blood & Guts:look how small Yates arms are ::) in the back double bi!
:DNo challenge to Dorian, he beat him many times. ;D
Can you imagine the female version of this with rocketdweeb here lol
shawn killing in the front shot too.Hulkster your hate for Dorian is becoming more apparent. Shawn isn't even close to him even in the fdb pose. Yes, the vacuum is impressive, but Dorian is dwarfing him there just like here.
1000x better quads, pefect vacuum, two good arms.
not even close.
as a steve revees lover ND, you should realize that shawn is killing in this pose..
You have no credibility given dozens upon dozens of frontal shots in which he gets pummeled. He wins only from the back, and no one cares or rates a BB primarily from the back lol
Hulkster your hate for Dorian is becoming more apparent. Shawn isn't even close to him even in the fdb pose. Yes, the vacuum is impressive, but Dorian is dwarfing him there just like here.
Rocketswitch has provided further proof of Yates's dominance and you are clearly melting down with your desperate posts.
Yates looks fucking awesome in all the pics I've posted today but how can Shawn Ray, a 5ft 7" pygmy, be taller than a guy of 5ft 11"???It's exactly the kind of pic that Hulkster and Pumpster look for to prove their biased bullshit. Just like this one ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=324426;image)
Hulkster the Colemanite is starting to sound like the number 1 bitterite on getbig.
Yates looks fucking awesome in all the pics I've posted today but how can Shawn Ray, a 5ft 7" pygmy, be taller than a guy of 5ft 11"???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=324426;image)
again, you miss the point.
dorian could appear to be twice as tall in that pic as kevin or dillett becuse of the angle, and the lack of quality of his physique is still there.
no matter what angle of the pic.
smooth detail-less muscles
physical size has little to do with it.
you just dont get it, do you? ::)
here is a lesson, same 'sized' pics.
the lack of quality of dorian that shawn exploits (and so do many others) is there:
you can't hide from it.
WOW, you post of the best pics of Shawn and one of the all-time WORST pic of Dorian and you want UNBIASED people on here to take you seriously? ::) ::) ::)
again, you miss the point.
dorian could appear to be twice as tall in that pic as kevin or dillett becuse of the angle, and the lack of quality of his physique is still there.
no matter what angle of the pic.
smooth detail-less muscles
physical size has little to do with it.
you just dont get it, do you? ::)
here is a lesson, same 'sized' pics.
the lack of quality of dorian that shawn exploits (and so do many others) is there:
you can't hide from it.
I was told you started a thread a while ago where you posted pictures of me (including that shot) and tried to say it was you. Thanks once again for proving how much I got to you today. ;D
So there are at least 24 different front poses in which Doz gets pummeled in.
I'll be generous and only ask for 10..
Dorian just has the best shape there...its been said time and time again, he won cause of his flow of muscles from calves to forearms, all very even and proportional,,thats was the key..he looked Ollympian for the time..the classical look was still in vogue...Dorian had it, Dorian won. His very commanding and serious stage prescence didnt hurt him either. He has a very calm and yet powerfull persona on stage...these types of things matter in judging whether it is admitted or not.
the classical look was still in vogue...Dorian had it, Dorian won
lol mssing one arm for 4 out of 6 wins is not having the classical lookThat's right - you just showed how great he really was!
That's right - you just showed how great he really was!
lol mssing one arm for 4 out of 6 wins is not having the classical lookHe's talking about his structure. You know, how his torso is in proportion with his legs, calves in proportion with quads, forearms in proportion with upper arms, etc. How the physique flows together and DOESN'T look like an accumulation of random bodyparts.
You can really see this when he's standing next to someone like Levrone
You know, how his torso is in proportion with his legs, calves in proportion with quads, forearms in proportion with upper arms, etc.
you mean how bad the judging really was..
look to Flex and Flea for in proportion arms..
You know nothing, and you've proven it once more. Flex Wheeler's arms were superheavyweight arms on a small frame. They were oversized for his physique.typical fan boy admiration for oversized arms ::)
do you work for a flower shop like ND?
perhaps thats why you think ronnie looks 'womanly'
:-X
oh brother... like your opinion yields more weight than professionally trained and experienced IFBB judging officials who have objective criteria to follow
You know nothing, and you've proven it once more. Flex Wheeler's arms were superheavyweight arms on a small frame. They were oversized for his physique.
you mean have an IFBB agenda to follow...
eg. "dorian's torn bi made no difference"
yeah, sure it did
maybe with judges that "look the other way" but if they were doing their job properly, he would been marked down for a missing deformed arm.
but he wasn't. ::)
Ronnie shit calves made no overall difference either but it's only an agenda when it's Yates , I believe they call that hypocrisy ;)
Ronnie won with Ms Olympia calves for his whole career but that's okay ::)
New Pic ( to me )Nobody will ever beat this......
wrong. there is a difference between two not so great calves
vs
one horribly deformed arm when your other arm isn't -its a major symmetry issue, rather than a minor proportion issue..
WRONG there is absolutely NO difference what so ever in fact Dorian's one bicep doesn't compared to two underdeveloped , high calves with piss-poor shape and FYI idiot proportion is part and parcel with symmetry , thanks for sharing your ignorance once again and Dorian's bicep pre & post tear the only difference is it's shorter than before , stop typing his arm was deformed it's like saying because Ronnie had shit calves his legs sucked which isn't true but as always you need to overstate the issue to try and hype up the claim . Dorian's forearm wasn't deformed and neither was his tricepNice point Narci
no, his arm wasn't deformed at all.. ::)
you cant even tell he has a biceps muscle there.. ::)
you idiots see the most incredible delusions, I swear.. :-\
Nice point Narci
oh brother... like your opinion yields more weight than professionally trained and experienced IFBB judging officials who have objective criteria to follow
for the 94 and 96 GP shows, like the olympias those years, dorian looked awful..Lol at the pics of Dorian Hulkster posts. Epic blurry piss poor black and white photos in which Dorian's lines can barely be made out versus his sharpened Ronnie pics under perfect lighting. Fucking guy ::)
arms and quads some of the worst ever onstage for a pro at that level.....
he was never the same post tear, thats for sure..
Thanks , that what you do , you beat these idiots with logic , the sad part is they don't know it ;D
no, his arm wasn't deformed at all.. ::)
you cant even tell he has a biceps muscle there.. ::)
you idiots see the most incredible delusions, I swear.. :-\
Since when did YOU become an authority on logic?
Dorian never good looked in the front double bicep, even before the tear. Post-tear, he looked awful in this pose.yep looks best from the back
Dorian never good looked in the front double bicep, even before the tear. Post-tear, he looked awful in this pose.I disagree, post tear Dorian had an awesome fdb shot. Post-tear his symmetry was thrown off in that particular pose, but he still was good enough to win all the others.
Dorian never good looked in the front double bicep, even before the tear. Post-tear, he looked awful in this pose.
Lol at the pics of Dorian Hulkster posts. Epic blurry piss poor black and white photos in which Dorian's lines can barely be made out versus his sharpened Ronnie pics under perfect lighting. Fucking guy ::)
Lol at the pics of Dorian Hulkster posts. Epic blurry piss poor black and white photos in which Dorian's lines can barely be made out versus his sharpened Ronnie pics under perfect lighting. Fucking guy ::)
Says you and what do you know again? oh that's right that all judges are ' stupid ' just when Yates wins ::)
I'll explain why this destroys anything Coleman ever presented but it will fall on deaf ears , so troll away my ignorant friend ;D
Says you and what do you know again? oh that's right that all judges are ' stupid ' just when Yates wins ::)This shot rules anything in bodybuilding even today. Dorian Rules ;D
I'll explain why this destroys anything Coleman ever presented but it will fall on deaf ears , so troll away my ignorant friend ;D
Where's the tricep sweep?Here you go.
Why don't you find more than a couple of pics where he looks good in that pose? Why don't you find a few from the CONTEST STAGE?
...oh, that's right! You can't.
shawn owning dorian. way better quads, two good BALANCED arms, better taper thanks to a wasp waist, perfect vaccum...This is further proof of how blind your bias against Dorian has become. Yes, Ray's vacuum looks good there, but Dorian is owning both him and Levrone. It's not even close.
thanks Royal Lion. keep it up.
you are helping us and destroying your own cause
Here you go.
Where's the tricep sweep?
Why don't you find more than a couple of pics where he looks good in that pose? Why don't you find a few from the CONTEST STAGE?
...oh, that's right! You can't.
Wheres the tricep sweep? LMFAO this is the question you ask? I could play the same with Ronnie , where are the fucking calves? lol they're are just as important in this pose ( according to the judging criteria ) and I could continue
and you're reduced to changing it now , you said there were NO pics of him pretear looking good in this pose
you want outstanding shots on stage , here you go ;) thanks for playing though
watch this video, and you'll see why Ronnie is consider the greatest ever at his peak, and far better than anything dorian was able to achieve:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
You aren't delivering your flowers on the weekend, sweetheart?
You aren't delivering your flowers on the weekend, sweetheart? I can see you have more time to post about Dorian all day.Ha ha ha continue with your meltdown
He still looks like shit pre-tear. Who in their right mind would ever want to look like Dorian?
Ok, I'm off to enjoy a beautiful day, as I have something called a LIFE. You should get one, ND.
watch this video, and you'll see why Ronnie is consider the greatest ever at his peak, and far better than anything dorian was able to achieve:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
you can see the instant ronnie hits that first most muscular that he was literally miles ahead of anything in the mid to early 90's..
watch this video, and you'll see why Ronnie is consider the greatest ever at his peak, and far better than anything dorian was able to achieve:Let's face it guys, dorian would have won every O he entered even today ;D
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
you can see the instant ronnie hits that first most muscular that he was literally miles ahead of anything in the mid to early 90's..
Let's face it guys, dorian would have won every O he entered even today ;D
Dorian would have beat every Mr Olympia before him and after him , the sport hasn't progressed since 1993
Dorian would have beat every Mr Olympia before him and after him , the sport hasn't progressed since 1993
Dorian would have beat every Mr Olympia before him and after him , the sport hasn't progressed since 1993Damn right
Yet, a funny thing happened in 1991.
;D
yeah Haney lost the muscularity round to a 239 pound Dorian ;D
Coleman offseason never looked as massive or as conditioned as this. Yates with under 6% bodyfat here:
that has to be the most awful dorian vid in history..
look how small his fucking arms look! when he hits the bi shot at the beginning nothing happens.
its obvious, these morons have never seen what ronnie looked like in the offseason..
that vid is just awful..
6% BF? bwahahahahaha
my ass.. ::)
another Dorian induced meltdown ;)
hahaha why would I be melting down over such a terrible physique?
I mean, I know its offseason, but you guys post the vid and act as if its amazing LOL
you truly have no clue..
so by your logic, everyone on getbig who talks about bodybuilding must be gay LOL:D
ps ND is the exception cause he works for a flower company lol
Let's remind Hulkster of how his hero looks during in the offseason:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/california/caljr2005/jayron01.jpg)
LOL
no, that is how late career ronnie looked in the offseason.
not how 98/99/2001 AC ronnie looked in the offseason..
which looked this this: absolutely destroying dorian:
The Dorian camp must feel slightly when watching the Dorian off-season vid that basically his arms are almost completely non-existant. A small point maybe, but then watching that Ronnie '99 video, he really has the size and fullness to match up to Dorian, with the crazy muscle bellies, slim waist and no week bodyparts. Calves not great like Dorian. More aesthetic for sure at that point in his career. Dorian looks intimidating and thick as a brick, but do you Dorian guys not think when he does the front double biceps and one-arm biceps/quads outstretched pose that he's lacking a little in the crucial arm department? I can't imagine Arnold assessing that in one of his commentaries and being kind.
Hmmm, I do get slightly persuaded by some of the Dorian arguments. He was obviously awesome, but similarly The Dorian camp must feel slightly when watching the Dorian off-season vid that basically his arms are almost completely non-existant. A small point maybe, but then watching that Ronnie '99 video, he really has the size and fullness to match up to Dorian, with the crazy muscle bellies, slim waist and no week bodyparts. Calves not great like Dorian. More aesthetic for sure at that point in his career. Dorian looks intimidating and thick as a brick, but do you Dorian guys not think when he does the front double biceps and one-arm biceps/quads outstretched pose that he's lacking a little in the crucial arm department? I can't imagine Arnold assessing that in one of his commentaries and being kind.
well said. its quite clear that Ronnie at that point in his career was leaps and bounds better than even dorian's best of 6 years earlier.. in part for many of the reasons you listed..
LMFAO he's can't touch Yates in the conditioning department 6 years LATER in fact NOT a guy competing to this day can match his size AND conditioningYou are right one man...Dorian best ever ;D
Ronnie 99 couldn't touch his conditioning from the previous year or 2001 , he's NOT in Yates league in this department , couple that with balance & proportion and posing and you have Ronnie losing like he always did
no, that is how late career ronnie looked in the offseason.Anyone with half of a brain would realize that this "off-season" Ronnie footage is either a few weeks before or after a contest - he is essentially in contest shape, whereas the Dorian video is pure off-season. Typical biased Hulkster comparison. Give it up already dude.
not how 98/99/2001 AC ronnie looked in the offseason..
which looked this this: absolutely destroying dorian:
I guess it comes down to poor arms vs poor valves again. i personally think the upper arms is two bodyparts, each as important as the calf.
if Haney beat him, then I think Ronnie cold beat him. A 9th or 6th place Ronnie is no measuring stick as he then defeated all the people ahead of him in '98.
Epic logic....Haney beat him, so Ronnie would ::) Haney beat Dorian in 91 which was Dorian's Olympia debut wherein he came in second (highest debut ever I might add) - a lot more than we can say for Ronnie's beginnings! Haney retired due in large part to the emergence of Yates.
QFT but this is common sense overload for bricklayer ball-worshippers.
You're absolutely right: Haney beat him and Coleman wipes the floor with Haney lol
There are PLENTY of shots of Yates with his gut hanging out so posting pics of Ronnie with a bad gut doesn't prove anything or help your argument. If you want to have a viable comparison then you should only be showing them in their peaks because that's all that matters.Where are the pics of Yates?
There are PLENTY of shots of Yates with his gut hanging out so posting pics of Ronnie with a bad gut doesn't prove anything or help your argument. If you want to have a viable comparison then you should only be showing them in their peaks because that's all that matters.
I have never seen a pic with Dorian's gut that distented. And, regardless, I wasn't trying compare those particular shots. Hulkster & Co. do nothing but troll for the worst pics of Dorian and put them up against the best they can find of Ronnie, so I thought I would even it out a bit.
The best comparison shots I have seen are found here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
Here are some great comparison pics of Ronnie versus Dorian. Personally, I think Dorian wins the majority of the poses, although Ronnie looks freaky. I think a 95 Dorian would compare even better given his higher competition weight.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
(I couldn't scale the pics down to post directly ??? - if anyone can, please do)
note that the first comment made was that '99 ronnie was better than 2003"
and the nuthuggers laugh at 99..
::)
nope ronnie has stated publicly that he was better in 99 than in 98. and the pics and vids back this up.
this is the point you are forgetting.
you can toss around contradictory opinions back and fourth all day.
in the end, one thing and one thing only matters.
how he really looked: and he looked much better (bigger and a bit more cut) in 99:
sorry.
note that the first comment made was that '99 ronnie was better than 2003"I do think Ronnie was better in 99 than 2003, but these were the best comparison pics I could find of Dorian and Ronnie. I am not sure what their respective weights were in 93 vs. 99, but I think Dorian would out-size & out-condition Ronnie. Ronnie has better shape, but Dorian would win. Just my opinion, so spare me the usual round of shitty Dorian pics compared to sharpened Ronnie pics you always post ;)
and the nuthuggers laugh at 99..
::)
I do think Ronnie was better in 99 than 2003, but these were the best comparison pics I could find of Dorian and Ronnie. I am not sure what there respective weights were in 93 vs. 99, but I think Dorian would out-size & out-condition Ronnie. Ronnie has better shape, but Dorian would win. Just my opinion, so spare me the usual round of shitty Dorian pics compared to sharpened Ronnie pics you always post ;)
Although I would like to see comparison shots of a 99 Ronnie similar to the link I posted.
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QFT but this is common sense overload for bricklayer ball-worshippers.
You're absolutely right: Haney beat him and Coleman wipes the floor with Haney lol
Ronnie was 257 pounds in 1999 but not as hard or as dry as Dorian , so big difference even though they both technically weighed the same
Ronnie's best is 2001 Arnold Classic at just 247 pounds , and many consider Dorian's best 1993 pre-contest at 269 pounds which would beat Ronnie easily in my opinion
I think a 95 Yates - despite the bicep tear - is the best Mr. O ever. He stated in one of the seminars posted by Arvilla that in 93 he actually over-dieted. In 95 he decided to pull back a bit and coasted in with similar condition but more size.
ND, do you know what Doz weighed in 95?
well, if 95 is his 'best' ronnie's 99 form is vastly better - same size, but more detail, more cuts, better shape:I agree that Ronnie has more detail and cuts in certain shots, but it is an overstatement to say he was "vastly" better. The lighting is so much different in those shots that Flex, Cormier, and Ronnie all have "vastly" better detail and cuts compared to Dorian, Kevin, and Nasser. Also in the front relaxed I am not sure Kevin or Dorian are really posing whereas Ronnie (he looks awesome) is in full pose.
The lighting is so much different in those shots that Flex, Cormier, and Ronnie all have "vastly" better detail and cuts compared to Dorian, Kevin, and Nasser.
New Pic ( to me )Its no argument Dorian rules!
thats because they probably do. its not lighing..
after all Coleman and Cormeir were in incredible shape that year (sliced)
Flex was sliced too in the quads but had that synthol look on his upper body....
Dorian's front latspread is unequaled
It's too easy to blow our schmoe's examples sky-high..here Coleman outdoing the barrel in the same shot lol
I think a 95 Yates - despite the bicep tear - is the best Mr. O ever.
I have never seen a pic with Dorian's gut that distented. And, regardless, I wasn't trying compare those particular shots. Hulkster & Co. do nothing but troll for the worst pics of Dorian and put them up against the best they can find of Ronnie, so I thought I would even it out a bit.
The best comparison shots I have seen are found here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
Here is a front relaxed of Dorian in 97 (his worst year) and he still looks awesome when hitting the pose. I am not sure when the other shot is from (it's not on stage), but damn!
Here's just a few that were put together. Both parties (pro Doz and pro Coleman) do are guilty of putting up bad shots of both guys. That's where these threads ALWAYS end up going, who can find the worst shot of X and compare it to the best shot of Y. Pretty pathetic.
Here's just a few that were put together:Nowhere near the distention of Coleman though.
that 93 shot is a great shot of dorian.
but it does illustrate the 'twigs on a barrel' proportion problem that existed his entire career.. his arms were too small for his torso..and would be part of the downfall against Ronnie coleman..
Look at these twigs ::)
yeah, she is really unbaised.
she was married to one of dorian's best friends..
::)
yup. they are twigs when you see his upper body posed with them:
::)
you can post all the closeup arms shots you like. it doesn't change the major proportional flaw:
twigs on a barrel in full glory: :-\
and his arms when viewed like that always appear small that means what? they are?
um..yes..relative to his frame.
no one else with big in-proportion arms ever has this problem..
::)
why? because they had big arms that were in proportion to their physique.
dorian didn't
never did.
ps keep posting that 95 lat spread shot and the relaxed shot.You mean the "twigs" that beat Levrone and Ray?
it shows quite well the twig on a barrel look perfectly.
thanks.
ps keep posting that 95 lat spread shot and the relaxed shot.
it shows quite well the twig on a barrel look perfectly.
thanks.
notice how ronnie's quads have cuts and detail.Jesus Christ Hulkster, you are truly blind. It's sad actually how much you despise the fact that Dorian is arguably the best bodybuilder ever.
dorian's are national level..
Hey Royal, which gimmick account are you?What are you talking about? Every time you start getting owned you accuse me of being a gimmick. Do you seriously think that only a few people on this planet respect Dorian? You are in such denial! Why don't you check some of the other threads I post in? Oh yeah, you are too busy making a fool out of yourself in Dorian threads.
your posts are exactly the same as Mr. 1derful from the truce thread..
gee, I wonder why LOL
notice how ronnie's quads have cuts and detail.
dorian's are national level..
Again the ONLY area Ronnie beats Dorian in quad development and detail is rectus femoris and that's it , you think for a moment that is an advantage overall? when Dorian's diamonds shaped fully developed calves are in perfect proportion with his quads? and hams? and torso?Holy shit! His right calf looks unreal. :o
this is what LEGS look like complete balanced and defined , to use your analogy Ronnie's LEGS suck because he has no calves ;)
What are you talking about? Every time you start getting owned you accuse me of being a gimmick. Do you seriously think that only a few people on this planet respect Dorian? You are in such denial! Why don't you check some of the other threads I post in? Oh yeah, you are too busy making a fool out of yourself in Dorian threads.
Great post ! see his problem is he's spent years bashing Dorian he actually believe his own nonsense , I can admit Ronnie at his best was outstanding and had a legitimate shot at beating Dorian , he on the otherhand has said Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of ALL TIMESExactly! Ronnie has my respect too, he was arguably the best ever. Personally, I prefer Dorian but I can see how someone would prefer Ronnie at his best. However, I cannot understand how someone can be so blatantly blind and biased as to say things like "radiation quads" and "twigs on a barrel." He has clearly worked himself into a world of nonsense to the point that he accuses me of being a gimmick because I objectively appreciate Dorian. Great stuff Hulkster!
Exactly! Ronnie has my respect too, he was arguably the best ever. Personally, I prefer Dorian but I can see how someone would prefer Ronnie at his best. However, I cannot understand how someone can be so blatantly blind and biased as to say things like "radiation quads" and "twigs on a barrel." He has clearly worked himself into a world of nonsense to the point that he accuses me of being a gimmick because I objectively appreciate Dorian. Great stuff Hulkster!
Holy shit! His right calf looks unreal. :o
What are you talking about? Every time you start getting owned you accuse me of being a gimmick
Dorian is absolutely unbeatable in this shot - head to toe. Coleman would have no chance.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=325084;image)
Dorian is absolutely unbeatable in this shot - head to toe. Coleman would have no chance.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=325084;image)
no cuts, crappy shape, no detail no chance: sorry
no cuts, crappy shape, no detail no chance: sorryYeah, no chance....he only dominated the Mr. Olympia contest during the most competitive and progressive era of bodybuilding. Of course, this is just coming from a "gimmick" account because only 3 people in the world like Dorian according to Hulkster.
no it doesnt look at the thickness front to back. his arms are not really thick inside to outside, but top of bicep to back of triceps there is plenty of arm there.
that 93 shot is a great shot of dorian.
but it does illustrate the 'twigs on a barrel' proportion problem that existed his entire career.. his arms were too small for his torso..and would be part of the downfall against Ronnie coleman..
All drugs.
no it doesnt look at the thickness front to back. his arms are not really thick inside to outside, but top of bicep to back of triceps there is plenty of arm there.true,but difference in say rays arm was it looked great relaxed due to fuller muscle bellies.yates arms made up for it due to being concrete hard esp tri's which were good.
How come Coleman's lats are barely visible in the front lat-spread pose? It's called the front LAT-spread for a reason. Sure his arms, chest and delts stand out in the pose, but what about the LATS???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=325121;image)
This is what a front lat-spread should look like. Yates pwning everyone as usual:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=325084;image)
so does everyone with a brain..
Yea, barely visible ::) Your arguments suffer from what I mentioned earlier in the thread about taking a good shot of X and comparing it to a bad shot of Y thus making you as bad as the Coleman nut huggers. If you ever wish for any credibility in this debate you would stick to comparing the best shots of each, instead you stoop to the level of those you are trying to prove wrong only compounding your monumental incompetence to have an intelligent debate and the continuance sabotage of your own efforts.
Coleman looking uncomfortable and clapped out in the front lat-spread here. Has anyone ever looked more uncomfortable hitting a pose?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc537.jpg)
How come Coleman's lats are barely visible in the front lat-spread pose? It's called the front LAT-spread for a reason. Sure his arms, chest and delts stand out in the pose, but what about the LATS???
That's like saying the front or rear double biceps pose is almost solely judged on the biceps alone, or the side triceps on the tri's, etc. In other words, arms, chest, delts, etc. do also count in that pose.
they do and dorian has shit bodyparts compared to ronnie esp. in that particular pose..
Both have fantastic lat spreads. I prefer the way Dorian hits the pose and also his better overall flow. Ronnie is probably freakier with his insane arms and quads, but I think Dorian wins the pose.
The Dorian side of this debate give Ronnie his due respect. Hulkster and his ignorant nuthuggers are so caught up in any potential threat to Ronnie that they can only retaliate with statements like Dorian had "shit bodyparts." Talk about lack of credibility.
^This is where your credibility gets destroyed Hulkster. It is a close comparison and debatable who wins (Dorian imo), but your blind biased shows how little you really know, "lol"
lol
compare their arms and quads in that shot lol
its the same old story: dorian wins from the knees on down..
Look at the THICKNESS on those lats :o Ronnie's are non-existent in comparison..paper thin. Dorian's lats are so thick they look like they're gonna pop out of his skin.Agree (although Ronnie's are far from paper thin) - that is the best front lat spread I have ever seen :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282480.0;attach=325298;image)
^The problem with your theory is your picking apart bodyparts. Judges don't look at the individual bodyparts and judge them on size and detail. It's the whole package. Ronnies legs look retarded in that picture, he goes from giant turnip looking quads to twigs and it looks rediculous.
lol
compare their arms and quads in that shot lol
its the same old story: dorian wins from the knees on down..
he goes from giant turnip looking quads to twigs and it looks rediculous
sort of like dorian's gaint lats going to twig arms with no detail and it looks ridiculous..
::)
look at the left arm in that shot. if you didn't see the rest of the pose you wouldn't even know dorian worked out.
the left arm is horrid.
lmfao ignorance meltdown
and Ronnie's Ms Olympia calves are okay though huh? How about the fact he doesn't even have better calves than Mr America ? 1947