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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: affeman on July 18, 2010, 06:38:34 PM
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I got the impression that even at the 3rd tier shows you can find backs right up there with Colemans these days.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/51107.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343027.0;attach=377154;image)
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coleman was the g.o.a.t.
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in real life coleman was taller, so I say yes
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right now hulkster is violently sifting through every picture of ronnie coleman in every last corner of the internet to show you how wrong you are
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you are comparing Ben White with Ronnie Coleman? lol
Hulkster will not be pleased
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(http://beyondstrong.typepad.com/photos/muscle/dorian_yates_193_shirochajs.jpg)
oh, and that Dorian pic is morphed.
You are right.. here is the unaltered pic -
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3320/dorian20rear20lat20nonsbw6.jpg)
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/GNC_Pro/2004/GNC_2004_099.jpg)
this sets the bar pretty high
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right now hulkster is violently sifting through every picture of ronnie coleman in every last corner of the internet to show you how wrong you are
don't need to. Coleman is already destroying the two backs in the pics in the first post.
odd choice of pics to prove a point when the choice of pics disproves the very point you are trying to prove in the first place.
oh, and that Dorian pic is morphed.
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(http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/images/yates/Yates02.jpg)
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r u weetahded ??
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dorian had the width and thickness to match ronnie, but the ronster had those crazy black people genetics with a superior BDB
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r u weetahded ??
I'm sofa king we todd did
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(http://beyondstrong.typepad.com/photos/muscle/dorian_yates_193_shirochajs.jpg)
You are right.. here is the unaltered pic -
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3320/dorian20rear20lat20nonsbw6.jpg)
I am always right. people should know that by now..
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Dorian: still best back ever
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you won't see this at a third tier show: 8)
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Colemans back PWNS White's back.
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Colemans back PWNS White's back.
yes, not even comparable
been has a good genetic shape to his back, and a good musculature
but ronnies back was SO developed, the muscles were SO deep and seperated you could hide change between the cuts in his back...........whites back is not even remotely as deep
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Colemans back PWNS White's back.
Correct. Post a pic of Bens lat spread from this show and you will see.
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you won't see this at a third tier show: 8)
but you will see those calves at a 3rd tier show 8)
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The great back of all time.
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/27zgoylh/00Yates.jpg)
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The great back of all time.
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/27zgoylh/00Yates.jpg)
yes, period.
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yes, not even comparable
been has a good genetic shape to his back, and a good musculature
but ronnies back was SO developed, the muscles were SO deep and seperated you could hide change between the cuts in his back...........whites back is not even remotely as deep
This is what I was thinking but couldn't articulate. I don't know how to explain it, but the muscles in ronnies back look like they are indented. Like they are so deep and separated--like a damn road map. Ben Whites back is big and thick, but lacks that deep separation.
I don't know, I really can't explain it, but I think most people know what Im talking about. :D
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/ny_ifbb_08_review2_t.jpg)(http://www.born2bbig.com/viewpic.php?im=images/profilepics/1151058664.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2302/8617/d/usa2007-mensuper-final-031.jpg)(http://www.fisicoculturismo.org/fotos/albums/ronnie-coleman/fotos_ronnie_coleman_279.jpg)
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If Ben White improves, you maybe looking at a Ronnie-lite.
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The three best backs of all time in no particular order (JMO):
1. Coleman
2. Yates
3. Stubbs
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3546524476_8d78995349.jpg?v=0)
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the dryness of Colemans hams and glutes is unbelievable (no homo)
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Coleman ande Yates are still in a different league. Stubbs maybe and Haney still can pretend to battle. No one will ever be able to say who had a better back between Coleman adn Yates. Two different and equally impressive backs.
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Coleman ande Yates are still in a different league. Stubbs maybe and Haney still can pretend to battle. No one will ever be able to say who had a better back between Coleman adn Yates. Two different and equally impressive backs.
It's not even close between the 2. No human being in the history of the world ever posessed a back close to Dorians. ::)
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(http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/3/f/3f8b3-Orville_20Burke_67726.jpg)
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7916/dorianyatesrearlatspread24mr.jpg)
don't forget these 2
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(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7916/dorianyatesrearlatspread24mr.jpg)
don't forget these 2
Jean Piere Fux Dorian Yates' back looking enormous here
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(http://www.ironfactor.cz/_upload/_images/8383_mike_francois1.jpg)
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(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/leech2004/md/olympia95/1995-mr-olympia-15.jpg)
1995 Mr O
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3546524476_8d78995349.jpg?v=0)
This guy has a Pro Card ::)
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JOKE!
one guy is 60 ins, and White is the guy who had PLing contest with JOJ who is more his caliber. Insult to Ronnie and even Yates this thread.
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It's not even close between the 2. No human being in the history of the world ever posessed a back close to Dorians. ::)
you do realize that yet again, the dorian pic is morphed.
here is the real pic. note the difference. the first one is stretched horizontally.
why are there so many morphed dorian back shots floating around on the web?
answer: because his fans know that his back can't surpass ronnie's so they morphed them and spread them around.
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and before some guy posts it, here is the other common dorian morphed back shot spread around like its real..
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compare:
people should realize that there is a reason why so many dorian back shots are morphed out there.
its so he can stand a chance against ronnie's far superior back. its that simple.
sad.
but simple.
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yes but ronnie never used steroids, therefore he's better
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don't need to. Coleman is already destroying the two backs in the pics in the first post.
odd choice of pics to prove a point when the choice of pics disproves the very point you are trying to prove in the first place.
Honestly, I think it's shocking how close it's between the back of a prime Coleman to the one of a 2010 Tampa Pro 5th place finisher.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343027.0;attach=377154;image)
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I got the impression that even at the 3rd tier shows you can find backs right up there with Colemans these days.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/51107.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343027.0;attach=377154;image)
the only pro today that compares to Ronnie in the back department is Stubbs
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and before some guy posts it, here is the other common dorian morphed back shot spread around like its real..
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compare:
people should realize that there is a reason why so many dorian back shots are morphed out there.
its so he can stand a chance against ronnie's far superior back. its that simple.
sad.
but simple.
IRONY ALERT
Hulkster bitching about morphed pics ;)
and ' far superior ' my ass Ronnie himself said in 2003 the freakiest back he ever seen belong to Yates , so pwned by your own fucking hero again fan-boy
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Hahahaha hulkster still desperatley trying to come up with any way he can to tear Dorian down, haha wow obsess much? Must suck to secretley know in the back of your head that Dorian back was back was superior to ronnies based on the IFBB judging standards. Hahahah
but obviously you already know that hulkster or you wouldn't be trying so hard to tear Dorian down in every thread where his name is mentioned. It's so obvious it's laughable.
Keep on trying to tear Dorian down in every thread, just makes everyone realize that you secretly know Dorians back is better, otherwise you wouldn't so desperatly try and come up with any excuse you can find to try and discredit anything positive ever said about Dorian. Lol
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Hahahaha hulkster still desperatley trying to come up with any way he can to tear Dorian down, haha wow obsess much? Must suck to secretley know in the back of your head that Dorian back was back was superior to ronnies based on the IFBB judging standards. Hahahah
but obviously you already know that hulkster or you wouldn't be trying so hard to tear Dorian down in every thread where his name is mentioned. It's so obvious it's laughable.
Keep on trying to tear Dorian down in every thread, just makes everyone realize that you secretly know Dorians back is better, otherwise you wouldn't so desperatly try and come up with any excuse you can find to try and discredit anything positive ever said about Dorian. Lol
QFT
Hulkster the troll bitching about Yates in another thread , what a surprise ::)
He hates the FACT that Dorian always owned Ronnie and always will ;D
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Honestly, I think it's shocking how close it's between the back of a prime Coleman to the one of a 2010 Tampa Pro 5th place finisher.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343027.0;attach=377154;image)
I (and most others apparently) don't think its close at all.
ronnie has a lot more back detail, a lot more thickness, esp. in the lower back, much better arms etc.
its quite a difference.
its not close at all.
ronnie and dorian had the best two backs ever. with dorian being a distant second 8)
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I didn't bother reading everything before my post and I am probably repeating what others have said. BUT are you f'in nuts? Ronnie in his prime couldn't be touched by anyone nowadays nor in the past. The only one that could give BigRon competition on his back developement in joel stubbs and Dorian
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its shots of ronnie like this that make it obvious why there are so many morphed dorian back shots out there...he just can't compete:
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I don't think there is a pro competing today who could touch this
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I don't think there is a pro competing today who could touch this
I agree. because peak ronnie isn't competing anymore :P
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its shots of ronnie like this that make it obvious why there are so many morphed dorian back shots out there...he just can't compete:
Coming from the guy who was busted posting morphed pics of Ronnie's back ;) hahahahahaha
you're the one who has to use photoshopped pics
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I agree. because peak ronnie isn't competing anymore :P
peak Ronnie wasn't in Dorian's league , he knows it just his dumb fans have a tough time accepting reality.
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peak Ronnie wasn't in Dorian's league , he knows it just his dumb fans have a tough time accepting reality.
spoken like a true guy.. ::)
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spoken like a true guy.. ::)
I guess that makes Ronnie a ' guy ' too huh? seeing he's stated this MANY times ;)
and a guy would be in a thread bitching about people using morphed pics when in fact he's done it for a LONG time now ;)
run along bitch , Ronnie's already confirmed Dorian had the freakiest back he ever seen and he couldn't touch him ever ;)
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Nothing gay about this picture at all
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343137.0;attach=377351;image)
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I guess that makes Ronnie a ' guy ' too huh? seeing he's stated this MANY times ;)
and a guy would be in a thread bitching about people using morphed pics when in fact he's done it for a LONG time now ;)
run along bitch , Ronnie's already confirmed Dorian had the freakiest back he ever seen and he couldn't touch him ever ;)
That is because ronnie's back was so big he couldn't see it for himself, so in turn he was telling the truth about freakiest back he has ever seen 8) 8)
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That is because ronnie's back was so big he couldn't see it for himself, so in turn he was telling the truth about freakiest back he has ever seen 8) 8)
yeah poor nutt-huggers tried this before too :-\ poor guys , no matter what turn they take they always get own in the end by Ronnie conceding Dorian was better ;D
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team dorian has to make a lot of claims and spit out opinions, but they can't do much in the way of pictures or hard evidence
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41237&Itemid=202)
now they will probably start the usual "you're a troll" "just because you don't like dorian" "guy"
but nothing really to prove me wrong
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team dorian has to make a lot of claims and spit out opinions, but they can't do much in the way of pictures or hard evidence
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41237&Itemid=202)
now they will probably start the usual "you're a troll" "just because you don't like dorian" "guy"
but nothing really to prove me wrong
wow a gimmick complaining about being called a guy and a troll :-\
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yeah poor nutt-huggers tried this before too :-\ poor guys , no matter what turn they take they always get own in the end by Ronnie conceding Dorian was better ;D
Your so far up Dorian's ass you couldn't see the sarcasm lol
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wow a gimmick complaining about being called a guy and a troll :-\
see now he's trying to claim I am a gimmick or that I'm complaining, I've read you like a book.
you have a very short attention span and lose your temper too easy, I say ronnie > dorian, you just try to trash talk me
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IRONY ALERT
Hulkster bitching about morphed pics ;)
and ' far superior ' my ass Ronnie himself said in 2003 the freakiest back he ever seen belong to Yates , so pwned by your own fucking hero again fan-boy
Ofcourse.. Ronnie cannot see his own back
anyways.. Ronnie trumps Yates but stubbs slightly betters them both in that department.
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team dorian has to make a lot of claims and spit out opinions, but they can't do much in the way of pictures or hard evidence
they never have.
the pics and videos have always shown ronnie to be better.
thats why they always had to resort to bullshit like the 99 vids/screenshots being faked, that dorian looked better in person but that no other pro in history did etc etc.
its always them vs. the ronnie visuals.
the dorian visuals were never enough and they know it.
pathetic, isn't it? ::)
just admit what the visuals already show: that ronnie was better and move on.
but instead, they cling to their excuses and fantasies. ::)
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see now he's trying to claim I am a gimmick or that I'm complaining, I've read you like a book.
you have a very short attention span and lose your temper too easy, I say ronnie > dorian, you just try to trash talk me
You are a gimmick no doubts and you are complaining
anyway here is Doria NOT at his best blowing Coleman out of the water in the back department at his best
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Ofcourse.. Ronnie cannot see his own back
anyways.. Ronnie trumps Yates but stubbs slightly betters them both in that department.
yeah Ronnie's never seen a pic or video of his back ::) everyone likes to make a lot of excuses for Ronnie a common theme whenever he concedes to Yates
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they never have.
the pics and videos have always shown ronnie to be better.
thats why they always had to resort to bullshit like the 99 vids/screenshots being faked, that dorian looked better in person but that no other pro in history did etc etc.
its always them vs. the ronnie visuals.
the dorian visuals were never enough and they know it.
pathetic, isn't it? ::)
just admit what the visuals already show: that ronnie was better and move on.
but instead, they cling to their excuses and fantasies. ::)
now they will probably say we are just "picking favorites" as if they are objective about dorian, or "you obviously don't know what shows are judged on" Nasser is my favorite but I'm not afraid to say the ronster is better, I really don't like flex wheeler, but I'll admit his better than JP Fux. they are just too arrogant to admit whe they are wrong. if dorian is your favorite thats fine, I like dorians training vids, but saying he is the best is just ludicrous
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You are a gimmick no doubts and you are complaining
anyway here is Doria NOT at his best blowing Coleman out of the water in the back department at his best
even if I was a gimmick, so what. whose gimmick would I be?
it doesn't matter I'm still right about ronnie > dorian
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team dorian has to make a lot of claims and spit out opinions, but they can't do much in the way of pictures or hard evidence
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41237&Itemid=202)
now they will probably start the usual "you're a troll" "just because you don't like dorian" "guy"
but nothing really to prove me wrong
How many times have we told you, we did this whole fucking thing in the truce thread, were not rehashing it with you when there is 1700+ pages, it doesnt matter anyway, you look at Ronnie and you think hes better, it doesnt matter what we post. The fact that you are saying what youre saying IS trolling, you already know your not gonna change your mind so youre just trying to start an argument. Surely you cant be this dumb?
It doesnt matter what we post, you have already decided Ronnie wins and youll just say the same shit. I am personally tired of it, you cant educate someone in how contests are judged who already has there mind made up. ::)
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Dorian at his fucking worse
I turned up the brightness of these pics ONLY because they were to dark
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yeah Ronnie's never seen a pic or video of his back ::) everyone likes to make a lot of excuses for Ronnie a common theme whenever he concedes to Yates
It was a joke.. You take Ronnie's humbleness and try to turn it into your own proof. There is no excuse... you two idiots find the best pics of both and put them together.. I'm sure you've done this a thousand times, It is quite obvious who's is better.
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even if I was a gimmick, so what. whose gimmick would I be?
it doesn't matter I'm still right about ronnie > dorian
I don't care whose gimmick you are , time will prove me right
and you're still wrong about Ronnie , because Dorian beat Ronnie for years so Ronnie never ' > ' Dorian and never will ;)
Dorian's back is harder , drier , thicker , more detailed and separated , point proven.
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Dorian at his fucking worse
I turned up the brightness of these pics ONLY because they were to dark
yeah, he looks awful there. 50" waist, twig arms. wide back but damn ugly.
as always, ronnie has the mass with class:
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It was a joke.. You take Ronnie's humbleness and try to turn it into your own proof. There is no excuse... you two idiots find the best pics of both and put them together.. I'm sure you've done this a thousand times, It is quite obvious who's is better.
humbleness? don't presume to speak for Ronnie or elaborate on what he was thinking. and it's quite obvious who is better to whom? you I think it's quite obvious Dorian is and in fact always was hence why he beat Ronnie everytime he faced him , granted he wasn't as good when he faced Yates but Dorian had all the tools to beat Ronnie
Ronnie at his absolute best Olympia appearance according to him in 98 could barely beat Flex a man Dorian crushed when he was much better in 93 and it's obvious who's better? I think not
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(http://i36.tinypic.com/10sgpqf.jpg)
here you can see them both at their best, ronnie is thicker, more striated all around better
(http://i38.tinypic.com/11jsv3o.jpg)
same thing, with much more detail
(http://i37.tinypic.com/288a646.jpg)
here the size and detail difference is more profound
tell me what makes dorian better in these photos "you've already made up your mind" is not an excuse, these pictures prove that objectively ronnie is better, the truce thread is also not reason that dorian is better. yall always want to ignore these photos.
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Heres my take.
Ronnie is the epitome of full mass.
Dorian is the epitome of conditioned mass.
EVEN if you want to argue that Dorians biceps imbalance were equal to Ronnies quad/calve imbalance and lower arm/upper arm imbalance, we all know that Conditioned mass>Full mass. Period.
The only time I see Ronnie POSSIBLY winning is 2003, for the simple fact that Ronnie was SO large that it would come down to weather judges wanted conditioning or straight size.
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yeah, he looks awful there. 50" waist, twig arms. wide back but damn ugly.
as always, ronnie has the mass with class:
Ah trying to change the topic of BACKS fail as usual Hulkster
Dorian's back at what the overwhelming majority of experts feel is his best showing PALE in comparison to Dorian who isn't even at his best
Dorian's back is thicker , drier , denser , more detailed and shows better separation you have your excuses and I have the proof
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here you can see them both at their best, ronnie is thicker, more striated all around better
same thing, with much more detail
here the size and detail difference is more profound
tell me what makes dorian better in these photos "you've already made up your mind" is not an excuse, these pictures prove that objectively ronnie is better, the truce thread is also not reason that dorian is better. yall always want to ignore these photos.
I've already explained to you those ' comparisons ' are NOT an accurate representation of reality , they are heavily skewed in Ronnie's favor , Dorian does NOT have smaller joints than Ronnie , yet in those pics he does , he does NOT have a smaller waist & hips , yet in those pics he does , he does NOT have smaller calves than Ronnie , yet in those pics he does , it's not reality and if you're basing your opinion on that you're just as fooling yourself
Dorian's density & dryness are utterly destroying Ronnie in that comparison , as is his balance & proportion , Ronnie is bigger and a lot softer and that's not an advantage
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Dorian = Denser, drier, more conditioned.
Ronnie = Deeper muscle seperation, fuller, not as dry.
Mass = close to equal.
Victory = Conditioned, dry mass. Advantage, Dorian.
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Heres my take.
Ronnie is the epitome of full mass.
Dorian is the epitome of conditioned mass.
EVEN if you want to argue that Dorians biceps imbalance were equal to Ronnies quad/calve imbalance and lower arm/upper arm imbalance, we all know that Conditioned mass>Full mass. Period.
The only time I see Ronnie POSSIBLY winning is 2003, for the simple fact that Ronnie was SO large that it would come down to weather judges wanted conditioning or straight size.
And then he can just compare Ronnie 03 to Dorian precontest 95 where he is 283 lbs and Ronnie has NOT real advantage ;D
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Dorian = Denser, drier, more conditioned.
Ronnie = Deeper muscle seperation, fuller, not as dry.
Mass = close to equal.
Victory = Conditioned, dry mass. Advantage, Dorian.
Ummm don't forget Dorian's a better poser. ;) oh and more complete
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i post pictures proving ronnie is better
then i hear a list of reasons why the pictures don't count, or how those were bad photos of dorian, to your standards the only "good" pictures you have to offer of dorian have all been morphed
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i post pictures proving ronnie is better
then i hear a list of reasons why the pictures don't count, or how those were bad photos of dorian, to your standards the only "good" pictures you have to offer of dorian have all been morphed
Why cant you understand that the pics dont prove shit, that to YOU they prove it, but to ME, they show Dorian winning? Why cant you comprehend that? Are you dense? Did your mom drop you on your head as a child?
You cant seem to comprehend that bodybuilding is a subjective sport, I.E that everone that looks at two competitors has a different opinion. And since I ACTUALLY know how Bodybuilding is judged, not just based on who I think should win because I like their look, when I see those pics, I see Dorian winning in any pic that doesnt involve the FDB or 1997. how hard is it for you to grasp this concept? Christ almighty. ::)
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Ummm don't forget Dorian's a better poser. ;) oh and more complete
yeah ronnies got a gut, but dorian only has one arm, ronnie has no calves, but does have the glutes and hams. also he is symmetrical dorian only missing a bicep, but that ruins symmetry on a lot of poses. as for dryer, I don't see striated quads or glutes on dorian or striated triceps
but they both suck at posing whether it's ronnies "raising the roof" or dorians "piuroette"
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the 98-99 version of Ronnie wouldve had a hard time with an '07 Wolf
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0JCJ9gtzlI/AAAAAAAAEp0/4imkBQwLfoQ/s400/Dennis+Wolf+at+the+2007+Mr.+Olympia+Prejudging.jpg)
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yeah ronnies got a gut, but dorian only has one arm, ronnie has no calves, but does have the glutes and hams. also he is symmetrical dorian only missing a bicep, but that ruins symmetry on a lot of poses. as for dryer, I don't see striated quads or glutes on dorian or striated triceps
but they both suck at posing whether it's ronnies "raising the roof" or dorians "piuroette"
Striations are not indicative of conditioning, dummy. Ronnie has striated glutes when hes 40lbs from contest weight, and only a complete retard thinks that striations = conditioning. lol.
You can simply look at the lower backs, Dorians is bone dry, Ronnies isnt. ::)
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i post pictures proving ronnie is better
then i hear a list of reasons why the pictures don't count, or how those were bad photos of dorian, to your standards the only "good" pictures you have to offer of dorian have all been morphed
I never said the photos were ' bad ' now you're reduced to lying , I said the pics are inaccurate and that's a fact and you're also reduced to deciding what I consider a good pic of Dorian and lying about me claiming any Yates morphed pic is ' good '
and I posted pictures proving Dorian is better , yet you purposely avoiding a response to this back shot , again these are NOT morphed , this is Ronnie at his best , and his back isn't as great as Dorian , it doesn't have Dorian's level of density & dryness or detail and thickness and separation , keep running from this proof
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LOL ND desperately trying to come up with ways to save his hero when real life destroys him:
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yeah ronnies got a gut, but dorian only has one arm, ronnie has no calves, but does have the glutes and hams. also he is symmetrical dorian only missing a bicep, but that ruins symmetry on a lot of poses. as for dryer, I don't see striated quads or glutes on dorian or striated triceps
but they both suck at posing whether it's ronnies "raising the roof" or dorians "piuroette"
Hes not talking about the routinesm, christ youre a noob. Hes talking about actually hitting the poses to minize weak points. ::)
Ronnie couldnt figure out how to pose to save the life of him, and youre stupid if you dont think that matters.
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Why cant you understand that the pics dont prove shit, that to YOU they prove it, but to ME, they show Dorian winning? Why cant you comprehend that? Are you dense? Did your mom drop you on your head as a child?
again you have to resort to insults.
look at the pics,
ronnie is bigger in all of them
ronnie is deeper and in better condition in all of them
ronnie is not missing any bodyparts in any of them
how do the pictures not prove ronnies superiority?
"the pictures don't count" is just an excuse you can't just refute all pictures with an excuse, eventually you just have to admit what you see and favorites aside ronnie is better
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I never said the photos were ' bad ' now you're reduced to lying , I said the pics are inaccurate and that's a fact and you're also reduced to deciding what I consider a good pic of Dorian and lying about me claiming any Yates morphed pic is ' good '
and I posted pictures proving Dorian is better , yet you purposely avoiding a response to this back shot , again these are NOT morphed , this is Ronnie at his best , and his back isn't as great as Dorian , it doesn't have Dorian's level of density & dryness or detail and thickness and separation , keep running from this proof
dorian is just as wide here but ronnie is deeper cut and more thick
I should have posted these pics earlier to prove ronnies supperior back detail
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And then he can just compare Ronnie 03 to Dorian precontest 95 where he is 283 lbs and Ronnie has NOT real advantage ;D
Jesus fucking Christ give it a rest already.
There are a million pic that Ronnie looks better, there are a million pics where Dorian looks better.....it's personal preference.
You think Dorian is better...we get it
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Dorian and Coleman had the best backs of all time. The starter of this thread is trying to compare Coleman's back to the average bodybuilder in 2010, which is simply stupid. How did this stupid thread (Coleman back vs 3rd tier bodybuilders) turn into a Dorian vs Coleman debate.
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yeah ronnies got a gut, but dorian only has one arm, ronnie has no calves, but does have the glutes and hams. also he is symmetrical dorian only missing a bicep, but that ruins symmetry on a lot of poses. as for dryer, I don't see striated quads or glutes on dorian or striated triceps
but they both suck at posing whether it's ronnies "raising the roof" or dorians "piuroette"
Oh boy are we missing the entire fucking argument , it's Dorian at his BEST which many feel is 1993 precontest NO muscle tears and even post tear he's still good enough to beat Ronnie
If Dorian is missing an arm because his bicep his shorter than the other than Ronnie is missing two LEGS because his calves suck
go learn what symmetry is before commenting on it , as far as ass striations , Dorian has them , as well as triceps and quads? show me a pic of Ronnie with striated quads post 96 and good luck
and Ronnie's really , really sucks as posing , Dorian is much better NO Lee Labrada but correctly and effectively holding a mandatory pose Dorian is noticeably better to those who know what to look for .
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Striations are not indicative of conditioning, dummy. Ronnie has striated glutes when hes 40lbs from contest weight, and only a complete retard thinks that striations = conditioning. lol.
You can simply look at the lower backs, Dorians is bone dry, Ronnies isnt. ::)
that's like saying that bodyfat percentage is not indicative of conditioning, it's like wiping before you shit, it just don't make no sense
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LOL ND desperately trying to come up with ways to save his hero when real life destroys him:
Proof kid it doesn't work in your favor ;)
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again you have to resort to insults.
look at the pics,
ronnie is bigger in all of them
ronnie is deeper and in better condition in all of them
ronnie is not missing any bodyparts in any of them
how do the pictures not prove ronnies superiority?
"the pictures don't count" is just an excuse you can't just refute all pictures with an excuse, eventually you just have to admit what you see and favorites aside ronnie is better
Im insulting you because its like banging my head against a wall. You think you know how a contest is judged looking at the pics, but you dont know what the fuck youre talking about, and youre on here trying to tell us (People that KNOW how contests are judged) whats up, when you think "striations" = conditioning. ::) And somehow I always let you bait me into arguing with you when every time im reminded of just how ignorant you are to things like conditioning.
I look at those pics, I see Dorian being drier, denser, thicker, and equal seperations, if not more, theyre just not as deep as Rons. (deep separations do not = conditioned either FYI) I see a Dorian at his peak that is better balanced, in better conditioning, and is just as larger except for 03, in which Ronnies conditioning was so bad (relatively speaking) that unless the judges went for pure size he would lose.
To you those pics prove Ron winning, because your Judging them on what you like? Why cant you wrap your head around this? I feel like im arguing with someone who got into bb a year ago.
FYI when I got into BB I thought Ron was the greates of all time, and I couldnt understand how people could think Dorian would beat him, but unlike you, I actually got off my ass and started looking things up and figuring out what the judging criteria was, and looked at people who were considered to have the best conditioning ever, and then it made sense to me. You just sound like an ignorant child. ::)
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You can simply look at the lower backs, Dorians is bone dry, Ronnies isnt
LOL bone dry my ass ::)
dorian is famous for his wrinkles of flab, while ronnie is bone dry:
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that's like saying that bodyfat percentage is not indicative of conditioning, it's like wiping before you shit, it just don't make no sense
striations are genetic obviously you need good conditioning to see them , one can be striated and still be carrying a film of water of the muscle , please go learn about the subject before commenting with a matter of authority
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LOL ND desperately trying to come up with ways to save his hero when real life destroys him:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/10sgpqf.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/11jsv3o.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/288a646.jpg)
one more time as proof, nuff said love it or hate it this is reality, no more arguing
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that's like saying that bodyfat percentage is not indicative of conditioning, it's like wiping before you shit, it just don't make no sense
Yes it does, youre just to fucking stupid to understand it, Coleman has those same striationg when hes dieting down still holding 20lbs of fat and water, so HOW, pray tell, can they be indicitave of conditioning, Oh, wait, they cant, and with this statement you have proven to me how completely ignorant to bodybuilding you truely are. If you cant even grasp that concept, well, your fucking hopeless and im done arguing with you.
But in your head right now, youre telling yourself that it makes no sense, and that I just dont know what Im talking about.
Heres a hint... Go do some footwork and actually read up on what conditioning is, how contests are judged, and what bodybuilding is all about, then come back here and start arguing. Dont just look at a bunch of pics and think youve got everything figured out because you think Ronnie looks better when you look at a couple pics. lol.
Someone who looks at pics that HASNT researched how things work, vs someone that has, is going to see 2 completely different things. Educate yourself. Until then youre just wasting everyones time and being an asshole.
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LOL bone dry my ass ::)
dorian is famous for his wrinkles of flab, while ronnie is bone dry:
Like I said fanboy proof isn't your friend ;)
Dorian's lower back shits on Ronnies
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striations are genetic obviously you need good conditioning to see them , one can be striated and still be carrying a film of water of the muscle , please go learn about the subject before commenting with a matter of authority
Everything in BBing is genetic you dope.
The guys with the better genetics win.
Being striated doesn't mean anything.... ::)
Unless of course Dorian was striated....then it would be "Look at those striations!!!!!!! he's shredded!!!!" ;)
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LOL bone dry my ass ::)
dorian is famous for his wrinkles of flab, while ronnie is bone dry:
holy shit, I can't wait to hear their expertise and excuses about these photos they'll probably just say "you don't know how to judge" or one of their usual excuses
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one more time as proof, nuff said love it or hate it this is reality, no more arguing
There is NO argument just denial , Dorian faced Ronnie 8 times and handed him his ass 8 times ;)
just a lot of but-hurt fan-boys wishing Ronnie was good enough
that's reality.
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Everything in BBing is genetic you dope.
The guys with the better genetics win.
Being striated doesn't mean anything.... ::)
Unless of course Dorian was striated....then it would be "Look at those striations!!!!!!! he's shredded!!!!" ;)
thank you fucking groink!
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(http://i36.tinypic.com/10sgpqf.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/11jsv3o.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/288a646.jpg)
one more time as proof, nuff said love it or hate it this is reality, no more arguing
You mean a WAY out of balance coleman, who is holding a film of fat and water?
98,99 are widely considered his best, he had huge balance issues in 03, not to mention his conditioning was only considered "acceptable" if you read the reviews. They say HUGE mass with "acceptable" conditioning, so again, to MY eyes those pics work in Dorians favor. ::)
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Like I said fanboy proof isn't your friend ;)
Dorian's lower back shits on Ronnies
Not really... Much different lighting, they are both dry in that pic....IMO Ronnie looks Better, his shape TRULY shits on Dorian's
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343137.0;attach=377406;image)
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thank you fucking groink!
Thank you for what?
Where did he say striations were indicative of conditioning? Oh wait, he didnt.
Striations are certainly pretty to look at, but for you to say they are a way to judge conditioning, youre just stupid. ::)
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holy shit, I can't wait to hear their expertise and excuses about these photos they'll probably just say "you don't know how to judge" or one of their usual excuses
Excuses? You dont know shit, flat out, Mr "striations are a good way to show conditioning", You dont know shit, you just know what you THINK looks better, what you THINK is what they want, go read up the actual judging standards, the rules, and how conditioning is defined and you might learn something. Right now youre just arguing on which pics you like better, and trying to pass it off as fact.
You remind me of that guy that goes talking a bunch about shit they know nothing about.
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Thank you for what?
Where did he say striations were indicative of conditioning? Oh wait, he didnt.
Striations are certainly pretty to look at, but for you to say they are a way to judge conditioning, youre just stupid. ::)
Then why do you guys shoot loads over Dorian's "christmas tree" lower back?
I thought being stridated didn't mean anything :D
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Then why do you guys shoot loads over Dorian's "christmas tree" lower back?
I thought being stridated didn't mean anything :D
If you read my posts, I dont shoot loads over his christman tree, lol, but you and I both know Ronnie has those same striations 20lbs from contest weight.
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Everything in BBing is genetic you dope.
The guys with the better genetics win.
Being striated doesn't mean anything.... ::)
Unless of course Dorian was striated....then it would be "Look at those striations!!!!!!! he's shredded!!!!" ;)
Dope? sensitive yet? Hey DOPE Dorian's shape sucked compared to guys like Flex and Dillett and Levrone and Ray and yet he managed to kick their asses for years DOPE
and I dare you to find where I said being striated doesn't mean anything I dare you , you're like these guys making shit up
Munzer had more striations than ANYONE how many contests did he win? striations alone don't mean much , it's who meets ALL of the judging criteria better than the guys he's competing with and that was Dorian
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44197&id=45291&Itemid=202)
best bodybuilder is, as best bodybuilder does
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Not really... Much different lighting, they are both dry in that pic....IMO Ronnie looks Better, his shape TRULY shits on Dorian's
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343137.0;attach=377406;image)
Ronnie's not as dry as Dorian that year but it's good , the feathering of the lats is NO contest Dorian by a contry mile as well as the spinal erectors which are more visible and more abundant
Ronnie's had that ' shape ' all the years Dorian trampled him , which excuse would you like to use for why he lost? the slanted judging? racism ? I've heard them all
1997 same SHAPE and 9th place against a career-worse Yates so much for ' shape '
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there really isn't any contest here.
loose flabby skin vs dry striations: its not hard folks.
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Dope? sensitive yet? Hey DOPE Dorian's shape sucked compared to guys like Flex and Dillett and Levrone and Ray and yet he managed to kick their asses for years DOPE
and I dare you to find where I said being striated doesn't mean anything I dare you , you're like these guys making shit up
Munzer had more striations than ANYONE how many contests did he win? striations alone don't mean much , it's who meets ALL of the judging criteria better than the guys he's competing with and that was Dorian
LOLOL...keep your shirt on ND....stop melting.
Dorian was a very good BB and i think he deserved most of his O wins. I just think that when Ronnie came into his own a few years later he eclipsed him....It's all opinion here, no one is an authority, including you ;)
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LOLOL...keep your shirt on ND....stop melting.
Dorian was a very good BB and i think he deserved most of his O wins. I just think that when Ronnie came into his own a few years later he eclipsed him....It's all opinion here, no one is an authority, including you ;)
You're the one melting calling people ' dopes ' and claiming I said striations didn't matter ;)
I'm not an authority but I sure as fuck know more about how contests are judged than all of you combined ;)
fact is Dorian easily beat Ronnie for years , this is reality. anything is fantasy :)
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Ronnie's not as dry as Dorian that year but it's good , the feathering of the lats is NO contest Dorian by a contry mile as well as the spinal erectors which are more visible and more abundant
Ronnie's had that ' shape ' all the years Dorian trampled him , which excuse would you like to use for why he lost? the slanted judging? racism ? I've heard them all
1997 same SHAPE and 9th place against a career-worse Yates so much for ' shape '
Wow...you really think where they placed reflects the physiques onstage ?? LOLOLOLOL. that's funny
So you think Jay deserved to win his second O, or franco. or Arnold in 81 or 72, or ronnie in 01 or.....etc. etc, etc
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Ronnie's had that ' shape ' all the years Dorian trampled him , which excuse would you like to use for why he lost? the slanted judging? racism ? I've heard them all
no excuses. just very poor conditioning and less mass in important places relative to later years like 99:
see for yourself:
and besides, everyone knows dorian should have lost in 97. years ago before you got dorian's cock shoved completely down your throat even you admitted this many times and were quoted on it by me and many others at the time.
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41225&Itemid=266)
here's those striated quads some one wanted, it's so painfull for team dorian to view such graphic images
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Wow...you really think where they placed reflects the physiques onstage ?? LOLOLOLOL. that's funny
So you think Jay deserved to win his second O, or franco. or Arnold in 81 or 72, or ronnie in 01 or.....etc. etc, etc
yes this is their biggest source of hope
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Wow...you really think where they placed reflects the physiques onstage ?? LOLOLOLOL. that's funny
So you think Jay deserved to win his second O, or franco. or Arnold in 81 or 72, or ronnie in 01 or.....etc. etc, etc
Oh the old politics plea , I think Jay was good enough and Arnold was in 80 NOT 81 that was Franco , and I think Ronnie was good enough in 01 close calls but they pulled it out
either all contests are fixed or not contests are fixed you can't have it both ways as I've explained to Team Nasser
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Wow...you really think where they placed reflects the physiques onstage ??
yes, ND really is that stupid.
amazing, isn't it?
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Oh the old politics plea , I think Jay was good enough and Arnold was in 80 NOT 81 that was Franco , and I think Ronnie was good enough in 01 close calls but they pulled it out
either all contests are fixed or not contests are fixed you can't have it both ways as I've explained to Team Nasser
::)
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yes, ND really is that stupid.
amazing, isn't it?
says the dummy who claimed Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the entire prejudging hahahahahaha
the guy who claims 94 was controversial and 98 wasn't even a close contest and Dorian deserved to lose in 1993
yes it is amazing how fucking retarded you are ;D you never cease to amaze me in this area
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Oh the old politics plea , I think Jay was good enough and Arnold was in 80 NOT 81 that was Franco , and I think Ronnie was good enough in 01 close calls but they pulled it out
either all contests are fixed or not contests are fixed you can't have it both ways as I've explained to Team Nasser
You've said yourself that Dorian shouldn't have won in 97....but he did. :)
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yes this is their biggest source of hope
Says the guy relying a home-made comparison chart where Dorian has smaller waist , hips and joints than Ronnie , and Ronnie has bigger calves LMFAO
this is your proof Ronnie is better ::)
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You've said yourself that Dorian shouldn't have won in 97....but he did. :)
shhhh..
ND likes to pretend he never said that..
but we all know he did many times.
poor ND.
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ronnie's back in 99 has yet to be equalled:
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41225&Itemid=266)
here's those striated quads some one wanted, it's so painfull for team dorian to view such graphic images
Go learn what striations are kid , much to learn you do ;)
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no excuses. just very poor conditioning and less mass in important places relative to later years like 99:
see for yourself:
and besides, everyone knows dorian should have lost in 97. years ago before you got dorian's cock shoved completely down your throat even you admitted this many times and were quoted on it by me and many others at the time.
We're talking about SHAPE moron , SHAPE and who cares about 1997? I don't I've said many times give it to Nasser it doesn't mean shit what did he accomplish ? beating a career worse Yates yip-pee ::)
keep 97 , Dorian at his best beats Ronnie & Nasser
so you fail as usual
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Go learn what striations are kid , much to learn you do ;)
go and learn about the difference between seperation and striations.
ronnie's quads were more striated in the mid 90's. but not nearly as seperated.
the cuts between the four quad muscles were as deep as a sword slash in 99..not so in 96:
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shhhh..
ND likes to pretend he never said that..
but we all know he did many times.
poor ND.
Like Hulkster who said Dorian lost in 1993 one of the most dominating Olympia performances EVER
Hulkster likes to pretend he never said that ..
but I keep reminding everyone he did many times ;)
dumbass ;D
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Like Hulkster who said Dorian lost in 1993 one of the most dominating Olympia performances EVER
Hulkster likes to pretend he never said that ..
but I keep reminding everyone he did many times ;)
dumbass ;D
no, I stated many times that given the new visuals (pics and vids that came out later) dorian did in fact deserve to win.
see, unlike you, I constantly revise my opinions based on the evidence.
you made your opinion years ago and it never changes no matter what new evidence is presented.
hence, why you are such a laughing stock.
you ignore all evidence that damages your position and sweep it all under the carpet.
a very bad thing..
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We're talking about SHAPE moron , SHAPE and who cares about 1997? I don't I've said many times give it to Nasser it doesn't mean shit what did he accomplish ? beating a career worse Yates yip-pee ::)
keep 97 , Dorian at his best beats Ronnie & Nasser
so you fail as usual
Not the point Slim. ;)
you said that politics isn't a factor when you have admitted yourself that Dorian received a gift.
Dorian NEVER looked like this, this is the best physique ever to set foot on a BBing stage
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You've said yourself that Dorian shouldn't have won in 97....but he did. :)
Oh so now you need me to be an authority huh? I said dorian should have lost in 1993 until I learned how contests were judged then I understood how much he dominated
like I said take 1997 give it to Nasser it wouldn't mean much and I said he shouldn't have won but Nasser didn't beat him ;)
you can't have it both ways either all contests are fixed or none , they're fixed when you don't like the winner and are accurate when they do , hypocritical to say the least.
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Oh so now you need me to be an authority huh? I said dorian should have lost in 1993 until I learned how contests were judged then I understood how much he dominated
like I said take 1997 give it to Nasser it wouldn't mean much and I said he shouldn't have won but Nasser didn't beat him ;)
you can't have it both ways either all contests are fixed or none , they're fixed when you don't like the winner and are accurate when they do , hypocritical to say the least.
I'm not saying any of that.....there have been many dubious decisions on an Olympia stage....it's fact. i don't dispute it and i don't complain one way or the other....I really don't care.
You're the hypocrite who wants to glaze over the fact that Dorian was no different and got his share of gifts too.
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Says the guy relying a home-made comparison chart where Dorian has smaller waist , hips and joints than Ronnie , and Ronnie has bigger calves LMFAO
this is your proof Ronnie is better ::)
you're hopeless now those pictures just kill you, so you make up excuses.
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you're hopeless now those pictures just kill you, so you make up excuses.
yup.
its always them vs. the visuals.
dorian's physique on its own was never good enough to overcome peak ronnie.
and they know it.
hence, all the bullshit excuses.. ::)
if dorian's physique was clearly better, they wouldn't have to post all this shit.
but they have to.
its just no use:
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Hulkster we have had to listen to you obsess over Ronnie for a half of a decade. Thats abnormal. Enough is a enough.
We both know that if (a big if) Wolf decides to train heavy, and diet right, he will eclipse Ronnie
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0JCJ9gtzlI/AAAAAAAAEp0/4imkBQwLfoQ/s400/Dennis+Wolf+at+the+2007+Mr.+Olympia+Prejudging.jpg)
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/dennis_wolf3.jpg)
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And Chris Cormier shoudve been 2nd in 1999. Flex was loaded with oil in calves, delts, and arms.
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I got the impression that even at the 3rd tier shows you can find backs right up there with Colemans these days.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/51107.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343027.0;attach=377154;image)
These days? You act as if Coleman competed as a pro in the 80s or something. The man's last Olympia was less than three years ago. He placed 4th, CERTAINTLY NOT DUE to lack of size but conditioning and apparent injuries or nerve damage to certain muscles.
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Dorian at his fucking worse
I turned up the brightness of these pics ONLY because they were to dark
Apparently turning down the brightness is "photoshopping". Why don't you just make it black and white ::)
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These days? You act as if Coleman competed as a pro in the 80s or something. The man's last Olympia was less than three years ago. He placed 4th, CERTAINTLY NOT DUE to lack of size but conditioning and apparent injuries or nerve damage to certain muscles.
Intriguingly he still beat an all time best Dennis Wolf even with only half a functioning body.
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I'm not saying any of that.....there have been many dubious decisions on an Olympia stage....it's fact. i don't dispute it and i don't complain one way or the other....I really don't care.
You're the hypocrite who wants to glaze over the fact that Dorian was no different and got his share of gifts too.
Can you get any more wrong? how am I hypocritical if I said I don't think Dorian should have won in 1997? that defies logic , and in fact I've said many times give 97 to Nasser it doesn't mean much in the context of who is better at their best. so you're flat-out wrong on this as well.
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Apparently turning down the brightness is "photoshopping". Why don't you just make it black and white ::)
We were talking about sharpening, and contrast, if you were talking about those 99 pics, not brightness. Besides, not like Horton himself called BS on those things. ::)
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Not the point Slim. ;)
you said that politics isn't a factor when you have admitted yourself that Dorian received a gift.
Dorian NEVER looked like this, this is the best physique ever to set foot on a BBing stage
Dorian never looked like that? he didn't need to he never looked like this either yet handed him his ass in grand fashion , your ' shape ' theory is null and void , Flex kills Ronnie in shape and that did what for him against Dorian? ;)
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Arguably tho ND I believe Ronnie would be a much closer contest to Dorian than flex, due to Ronnie having a combo of size and shape flex never did.
I still think Dorians mass+conditioning+balance combo would beat out Ronnie's mass+not quite as good conditioning+shape combo.
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you're hopeless now those pictures just kill you, so you make up excuses.
You can't even get what year is his best right and you're crowing about fan-boy ' comparisons '
and like Hulkster when stymied by facts you just post the old ' excuses ' line
fact is Ronnie's calves were never bigger than Dorians
fact is Dorian's joints were never smaller than Ronnies
fact is Dorian's hips & waist were never smaller than Ronnie's
fact is those ' comparisons ' are not an accurate representation of reality
fact is Dorian handed Ronnie his ass for years and years , facts aren't your friend
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Apparently turning down the brightness is "photoshopping". Why don't you just make it black and white ::)
Apparently using the un-sharp mask tool is photoshopping , adjusting the color contrast and hue is photoshopping , all the while trying to say you never did it , I on the otherhand took a shitty compressed screengrab from a youtube video which was very dark as said all I did was turn up the brightness , NO DECEPTION attempted .
learn the difference ;)
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Dorian never looked like that? he didn't need to he never looked like this either yet handed him his ass in grand fashion , your ' shape ' theory is null and void , Flex kills Ronnie in shape and that did what for him against Dorian? ;)
Blah Blah Blah...apples and oranges, taking shit out of context, IGNORING other things......it's like talking to a ten year old girl.
Seriously....my daughter states her case better than you do
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We were talking about sharpening, and contrast, if you were talking about those 99 pics, not brightness. Besides, not like Horton himself called BS on those things. ::)
beat me to it lol idiots can't tell the difference especially when they lied about the pics too and then get busted using them as ' proof ' hahahahahaha
then Hulkster the complete dummy provides two links to videos in which the guy who was busted by Kevin Horton for photoshopping them as ' proof '
2 independent sources LMFAO what a complete moron ;D
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Blah Blah Blah...apples and oranges, taking shit out of context, IGNORING other things......it's like talking to a ten year old girl.
Seriously....my daughter states her case better than you do
To much of a man to admit you're flat-out wrong? you said I'm hypocritical for claiming Dorian didn't receive any gifts when I said he shouldn't have won in 97 , you're wrong and now are looking for an easy way out
just like when you claimed I said being striated didn't matter another tit-bit you overlooked when I corrected you and called you on it , you're like a child , can't admit when you're wrong and proven wrong.
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Ronnie never looked like this , he would have to be re-born with better genetics to touch this. ;)
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go and learn about the difference between seperation and striations.
ronnie's quads were more striated in the mid 90's. but not nearly as seperated.
the cuts between the four quad muscles were as deep as a sword slash in 99..not so in 96:
epic backfire , Ronnie's quads are JUST as separated in that pic and has striations to boot.
another Hulkster backfire ;) thanks for proving my point for me dumbass
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343137.0;attach=377420;image)
ND claiming someone can't admit when they're wrong, yet he will say dorian beats this
or that we don't know how to judge
or that this pic is a bad representation of reality
or that in real life dorian was better
or that the best bodybuilder always wins
or that we just don't like dorian
or that we are trolls and nuthuggers
next he will probably say "I'm done arguing, you've made up your mind, dorian is better" but he will have no proof, just claims as usual
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To much of a man to admit you're flat-out wrong? you said I'm hypocritical for claiming Dorian didn't receive any gifts when I said he shouldn't have won in 97 , you're wrong and now are looking for an easy way out
just like when you claimed I said being striated didn't matter another tit-bit you overlooked when I corrected you and called you on it , you're like a child , can't admit when you're wrong and proven wrong.
again....taking things out of context and missing the point entirely.
I never claimed you said anything you weirdo, I posted my opinion.
You are a strange dude, you will say ANYTHING just to make yourself look "right"
I just come onto this thread occasionally to stir it up a little.....It's not life or death for me like it is you
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Ronnie never looked like this , he would have to be re-born with better genetics to touch this. ;)
That's true...Ronnie was never blocky and pasty looking, and his arms were better than that when he was 15 years old :)
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This is a tough call. It seems to me that hulkster is an order of magnitude gayer for ronnie than ND & co. are for dorian, but then again, hulkster is patently right. Dorian beats ronnie in calves, and back is fairly close, but you'd have to be blind to think that ronnie doesnt absolutely destroy dorian on every other bodypart, as well as overall impression. "Stage weight" and "graininess" arent the issue here, im sure paco had a higher stage weight and graininess factor at the tampa pro than ronnie did in 1999 too, it doesnt make him anywhere near a comparable bodybuilder (sorry kyomu).
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dorian wasn't too fond of squats
and when compared to ronnie or nasser it showed
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again....taking things out of context and missing the point entirely.
I never claimed you said anything you weirdo, I posted my opinion.
You are a strange dude, you will say ANYTHING just to make yourself look "right"
I just come onto this thread occasionally to stir it up a little.....It's not life or death for me like it is you
everything is ' out of context ' with you ::) I can only go by what you type don't make excuses now because you're wrong.
hahahahaha I will say anything to make myself look right? how does one accomplish that?
and once again you interpretations leave a LOT to be desired , elaborate on how posting on a message board is ' life or death ' for me , you make a lot of odd statements and don't back any of them up.
I'm here posting like you my opinion , mixing it up like you yet this is somehow life or death for me hahahahaha give me a break , stop projecting your views onto me
this isn't life or death it's me correcting ignorant people on how the game is played. ;)
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That's true...Ronnie was never blocky and pasty looking, and his arms were better than that when he was 15 years old :)
Ronnie was never as balanced or complete or dense & as dry either , Ronnie still sporting those 15 year old calves too ;)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343137.0;attach=377420;image)
ND claiming someone can't admit when they're wrong, yet he will say dorian beats this
or that we don't know how to judge
or that this pic is a bad representation of reality
or that in real life dorian was better
or that the best bodybuilder always wins
or that we just don't like dorian
or that we are trolls and nuthuggers
next he will probably say "I'm done arguing, you've made up your mind, dorian is better" but he will have no proof, just claims as usual
There is NO argument , just me correcting you people on how the game is played.
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dorian wasn't too fond of squats
and when compared to ronnie or nasser it showed
Ronnie wasn't fond of standing calf raises and when compared to everyone it showed ;)
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Ronnie wasn't fond of standing calf raises and when compared to everyone it showed ;)
calves are almost all genetic, some people will always have them some will never have them, this is common knowledge in bodybuilding
the rest of ronnie's physique makes up for his calves
dorians calves don't make up for the rest of his physique
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There is NO argument , just me correcting you people on how the game is played.
uhh yeah there is an argument, that ronnie is > than dorian
"correcting you on how the game is played" trying to act like we don't know what we're talking about, I predicted this kind of statement in a previous post, You are the most predictable poster here, often wrong but never in doubt.
what's next? "I'm done arguing, you guys don't accept that dorian won a long time ago,"
"you just don't like dorian and only see what you wanna see" or "FACT dorian beat ronnie years ago"
or how bout "I saw it and the judges saw it, dorian is better"
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calves are almost all genetic, some people will always have them some will never have them, this is common knowledge in bodybuilding
the rest of ronnie's physique makes up for his calves
dorians calves don't make up for the rest of his physique
ALL muscle cell allocation is genetic , the rest of Ronnie's physique makes up for his calves compared to who he was beating and he wasn't beating Dorian
and if that were the case about Yates it should have been very , very easy to beat him seeing all he was , was just a back & calves ;)
Dorian's overall package makes up for any flaw he may have
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uhh yeah there is an argument, that ronnie is > than dorian
"correcting you on how the game is played" trying to act like we don't know what we're talking about, I predicted this kind of statement in a previous post, You are the most predictable poster here, often wrong but never in doubt.
what's next? "I'm done arguing, you guys don't accept that dorian won a long time ago,"
"you just don't like dorian and only see what you wanna see" or "FACT dorian beat ronnie years ago"
or how bout "I saw it and the judges saw it, dorian is better"
You don't know what you're talking about that's been established with your posts on the subject. and I'm predictable? NO consistent and you've apparently been hanging on my words for a long time gimmick
In order to establish a logical and intelligent opinion on the subject you must know how contests are judged and you don't and NONE of you do just based on the freshman conclusions you come to.
Dorian was always better than Ronnie , this isn't an opinion this is a FACT proven by the number of times they directly competed with each other. The speculation is did Ronnie improve enough to beat Dorian , you have your opinion I have mine , but the facts haven't changed. ;)
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ALL muscle cell allocation is genetic , the rest of Ronnie's physique makes up for his calves compared to who he was beating and he wasn't beating Dorian
and if that were the case about Yates it should have been very , very easy to beat him seeing all he was , was just a back & calves ;)
Dorian's overall package makes up for any flaw he may have
like his small "smith machine squat" legs that lack seperation and striation, or his missing bicep that throws off so many poses
his chest that was no where near as big or defined as ronnies or his back which was just as good in width but lacked the upper back detail and thickness or maybe his sheer lack of size next to ronnie,
oh but wait "this is not how you judge a show" "striation, size, conditioning, balance, and symmetry don't matter" . as for your last post it was just senseless and didn't really make or prove a point, oh but wait "if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know what it means"
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You don't know what you're talking about that's been established with your posts on the subject. and I'm predictable? NO consistent and you've apparently been hanging on my words for a long time gimmick
In order to establish a logical and intelligent opinion on the subject you must know how contests are judged and you don't and NONE of you do just based on the freshman conclusions you come to.
Dorian was always better than Ronnie , this isn't an opinion this is a FACT proven by the number of times they directly competed with each other. The speculation is did Ronnie improve enough to beat Dorian , you have your opinion I have mine , but the facts haven't changed. ;)
you doing exactly what we make fun of you for doing
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you doing exactly what we make fun of you for doing
And you're contradicting facts & reality. a typical trend of yours
keep making fun of me you're the guy who thinks Dorian has smaller joints , waist , hips and calves than Ronnie ;D this fan-boy comparisons are accurate
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you can't say dorian is more balanced because he is not
you can't say he is more conditioned because he is not (we proved it with the flabby back shots)
you can't say he is bigger because he is not (we proved it with multiple and different photos)
what's your excuse now? "this is not how you judge a show, you don't know what your talking about"
well in what catagories does dorian beat ronnie? having a good set of calves isn't enough if it was matarazzo would have been mr o.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44021&id=40982&Itemid=202)
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you can't say dorian is more balanced because he is not
you can't say he is more conditioned because he is not (we proved it with the flabby back shots)
you can't say he is bigger because he is not (we proved it with multiple and different photos)
what's your excuse now? "this is not how you judge a show, you don't know what your talking about"
well in what catagories does dorian beat ronnie? having a good set of calves isn't enough if it was matarazzo would have been mr o.
Thanks for backing up your numerous blanket statements up with proof ;)
the old Hulkster post a picture and say ' see ' that's not proof kid
PROOF where is it?
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And you're contradicting facts & reality. a typical trend of yours
keep making fun of me you're the guy who thinks Dorian has smaller joints , waist , hips and calves than Ronnie ;D this fan-boy comparisons are accurate
becuase a peak dorian beat a young ronnie, thats a desperate attempt to say why dorian is better.
it's like comparing a modern day arnold to gregg valentino and saying gregg was better, if you want contest results as reality which are not always the truth, ronnie has 8 mr O's and deserved all, dorian has 5, 3 of which are debated
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Thanks for backing up your numerous blanket statements up with proof ;)
the old Hulkster post a picture and say ' see ' that's not proof kid
PROOF where is it?
well then what is proof? "he was better in real life"
you just deny all the photos because they prove me right
PS small joints and waist is a good thing to have, you should review some of your previous posts
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becuase a peak dorian beat a young ronnie, thats a desperate attempt to say why dorian is better.
it's like comparing a modern day arnold to gregg valentino and saying gregg was better, if you want contest results as reality which are not always the truth, ronnie has 8 mr O's and deserved all, dorian has 5, 3 of which are debated
Oh boy where should I begin? a young Ronnie? ::) NO Dorian beat Ronnie period , it's not Dorian's fault Ronnie wasn't good enough. again where did Ronnie improve the most from 1996/197 to 1998 ? conditioning , Sorry Dorian wrote the book on conditioning this isn not enough of an advantage to beat Dorian , especially when you consider the FACT ( I know you hate that word ) that at what Ronnie himself considers his best Olympia showing ever ( 1998 ) he just barely beat Flex Wheeler in one of the closest Mr Olympia contests in HISTORY ! , Flex BTW wasn't nearly as good as he was in 98 as he was in 93 and he drove Ronnie to the limit , Dorian absolutely crushed Flex 1993 , Dorian 1993 would have easily beaten Ronnie 1998 just based on that
I really laughed out loud when you typed Ronnie deserved all 8 ;D and Dorian has SIX not 5 ( you're proving your ignorance again ) and 3 are ' debated ' if you mean ' debated ' as in people say he shouldn't have won allow me to school you on what others have said about Ronnies win
Shawn Ray said Ronnie 98 wasn't better than him or Flex , Flex said in 1999 he beat Ronnie , 2000 Kevin Levrone said he beat Ronnie , 2001 Even Ronnie thought he was second , 2002 Kevin again said he beat Ronnie , you still wanna talk about ' debate '
and your analogy about Arnold and Greg is retarded , Ronnie & Dorian competed in the same era , Ronnie just wasn't good enough
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well then what is proof? "he was better in real life"
you just deny all the photos because they prove me right
PS small joints and waist is a good thing to have, you should review some of your previous posts
I've posted scores and scores of quotes all saying Dorian looks eons better live and in person than pics or video I could posted them and make you look stupid if you'd like?
and yes small joints and waist are good things but that's NOT the subject , the subject is Dorian's aren't smaller than Ronnies but yet in your fanciful ' comparisons ' they are which means that it is NOT an accurate representation of reality even if you think so
Flex always had a smaller waist & hips and joints than Dorian , how well did that do for him? ??? ;) need more than just symmetry , you need the total package that's how the game is played.
Ronnie does meet part(s) of the judging criteria better than Dorian but not all.
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dorian had the width and thickness to match ronnie, but the ronster had those crazy black people genetics with a superior BDB
Some people might say RACIST RACIST RACIST, but personally I agree with Flanders & Swann who said the English the English the English are BEST.
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dorian wasn't too fond of squats
Actually, Dorian said he loved squats. But a back injury forced him to switch to using the Smith-Machine to do them, instead of free weights.
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everything is ' out of context ' with you ::) I can only go by what you type don't make excuses now because you're wrong.
hahahahaha I will say anything to make myself look right? how does one accomplish that?
and once again you interpretations leave a LOT to be desired , elaborate on how posting on a message board is ' life or death ' for me , you make a lot of odd statements and don't back any of them up.
I'm here posting like you my opinion , mixing it up like you yet this is somehow life or death for me hahahahaha give me a break , stop projecting your views onto me
this isn't life or death it's me correcting ignorant people on how the game is played. ;)
dude...what the HELL are you talking about ?
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Ronnie had an outstanding build. Epic proportions. He did not have the greatest calves, but his midsection was his biggest liablity. You could almost see his midsection from the rear. Great mass and cuts however.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/42/images/Ronnie_Coleman_photo220.jpg)
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Ronnie had an outstanding build. Epic proportions. He did not have the greatest calves, but his midsection was his biggest liablity. You could almost see his midsection from the rear. Great mass and cuts however.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/42/images/Ronnie_Coleman_photo220.jpg)
Ronnie was a BAMF. Dorian was a BAMF. People get so hung up on the small thing that everyone fails to realize it would be a very close call, coming down to whatever physique the judges wanted on that particular day.
But really, i think everyone is fucking sick of this argument, so please, (Hulkster this is mostly aimed at you) just leave this shit alone, youre not gonna convince us, were not gonna convince you, all this crap does is piss off the board. So just leave it alone. Thats it, I will post on this subject no more.
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like his small "smith machine squat" legs that lack seperation and striation, or his missing bicep that throws off so many poses
his chest that was no where near as big or defined as ronnies or his back which was just as good in width but lacked the upper back detail and thickness or maybe his sheer lack of size next to ronnie,
oh but wait "this is not how you judge a show" "striation, size, conditioning, balance, and symmetry don't matter" . as for your last post it was just senseless and didn't really make or prove a point, oh but wait "if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know what it means"
like his small "smith machine squat" legs that lack seperation and striation, or his missing bicep that throws off so many poses
his small legs? legs include , quads , calves and hams so once again you're making a blanket statement that covers a large area of muscles. and Dorian's hamstrings ( part of the legs ) do not lack ' seperation ' ( sic ) they do in fact show great separation and thickness , although they show no striations , much like his quads which is an area where Ronnie had an advantage over Dorian ( depending on the year & the weight ) and we've already established Ronnie's quads don't exhibit striations like they did in 96 , and oppssss forgot the calves which BTW are part of the legs , which is NO contest because Dorian's are eons better which show clearly better classic diamond shape , better separation and proportion in relation to his quads than compared to Ronnie then your blanket statement doesn't look promising does it?
Ronnie has ' better ' quads Dorian has better calves , both have great hams now tie everything together in terms of balance & proportion , whose calves are more in proportion with their quads? Dorian , whose hams are more in proportion with their quads & calves ? Dorian who has better leg balance throughout? Dorian you think an advantage in separation of the rectus femoris and larger quads negates all of this? not how it works
And another point you can't seem to grasp is at his best Dorian's bicep wasn't torn and even if it were his one bicep shorter than the other does NOT effect as many poses as two very undersized , poor shaped unproportionate calves which effects every single pose , because they can't be posed around and are visible from every angle in every pose
his chest that was no where near as big or defined as ronnies or his back which was just as good in width but lacked the upper back detail and thickness or maybe his sheer lack of size next to ronnie,
Ronnie may have a bigger chest , and not as defined? what do you mean by this? Dorian's chest shows great development and is striated to hell , Ronnie has an advantage in delt-pec tie-ins but you're making overstatements again. And holy shit Dorian's back lacked upper back detail? moronic statement here , Dorian's back actually even compared to Ronnie lacks NOTHING , his traps are insanely huge and detailed ( yes he has striations in his traps I don't see them on Ronnies ) and thickness? man I mean dude wtf? you've been starring at those imaginary ' comparisons ' to long , a trend you have is to make blanket statements and you don't elaborate on anything , we're supposed to just take your word for it his back lacks detail and thickness compared to Ronnie ::)
oh but wait "this is not how you judge a show" "striation, size, conditioning, balance, and symmetry don't matter" . as for your last post it was just senseless and didn't really make or prove a point, oh but wait "if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know what it means"
I know how contests are judged do you? obviously not with some of your replies , everything matters in a contest and it ALL matters at once
muscular size , balanced development , density & dryness , proportion , posing , while Ronnie meets part(s) of this criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet all of it better
you can try and accumulate all the better & bigger parts you want and think that makes the better whole it doesn't and that's not how it works. you're glossing over Ronnie flaws concentrating solely on his strengths and taking a lot of liberties with blanket statements.
On paper Ronnie should easily win the ab-thigh pose , because according to you he has better symmetry ( small waist , hips , joints etc ) bigger better legs ( you mean quads ) but when we break it down on how contests are judged things change a lot from on paper
Muscular bulk who is carrying more muscular bulk in this pose ? now this is a tricky question it depends on the year , Dorian at what I consider his best ( precontest 1993 ) and what a vast majority of people feel Ronnie's best is , 2001 ASC. does Ronnie at 247 carry more muscular bulk than Dorian at 269lbs? I think not , advantage Dorian , now size for the sake of size is much good if it's not back up by conditioning and in this case Dorian backs it up
Density & dryness , now I've have quotes from experts who say Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian so we can say Dorian has a clear advantage in this area but for the sake of argument lets say dryness is equal , density wouldn't be because Dorian is backing his up with 22 more pounds of dense hard muscle , it's relatively easy to be dry and dense when you're smaller and a whole other ball of wax to be that when you're bigger so Dorian has an advantage in density and we'll push dryness , so light edge for Dorian in the conditioning department and still the same advantage in muscular bulk
Balance & proportion , much to your dismay Ronnie doesn't have great balance or proportion to his physique , his calves aren't in proportion with his quads , his quads dominate his hams ( when viewed in profile , this is clearly more evident when he's heavier ) his forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps , his glutes are so over-sized they can actually be seen from the front , he has a short torso and long legs , and his arms are to long for his torso , Dorian isn't the greatest but he's better than Ronnie with much better proportion between muscles , and balance between upper/lower body , again not perfect but better than Ronnie , advantage Dorian
Posing & presentation , another clear advantage for Dorian , Ronnie sucks at posing , and as I've said before neither are Lee Labrada but Dorian can effectively do the mandatory poses and pose around his weaknesses , Ronnie walks out doing the ' raise the roof ' with his gut punching out and this is at the beginning of his routine , advantage Dorian
Now back to the ab-thigh , whole Ronnie has advantage in his pose he still loses and why? he has superior ' symmetry ' and bigger quads and arms , yet he loses this pose miserably why? his midsection which sucks , it does him absolutely nothing to have a smaller & narrower waist when his abdominals suck oddly shaped 4-pack that's asymmetrical , his abdomen sticks out , his obliques , intercostals and serratus lack razor sharp definition compared to Dorian , he has bigger maybe even better quads that sit ontop of atrocious calves , he's down in muscular bulk and density and this is exactly why your paper advantage don't always translate into reality and why Dorian crushes him in this pose .
now apply all that criteria to every pose and you will see how Dorian simply meets all of that criteria better than Ronnie.
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Ronnie was a BAMF. Dorian was a BAMF. People get so hung up on the small thing that everyone fails to realize it would be a very close call, coming down to whatever physique the judges wanted on that particular day.
But really, i think everyone is fucking sick of this argument, so please, (Hulkster this is mostly aimed at you) just leave this shit alone, youre not gonna convince us, were not gonna convince you, all this crap does is piss off the board. So just leave it alone. Thats it, I will post on this subject no more.
Hulkster isn't comfortable in his opinion to stand on it's own two feet which is why he tries so hard , I've personally kicked the living shit out of him for years on all of his retarded points that he now has an obsession to try and equal the score which can't be done , I could care less about the subject it's always fun rubbing Hulkster's nose in his own shit every once in a while but as a whole the topic is old and ended when Ronnie admitted he couldn't touch Dorian even after he won the Olympia , now all we have left is bitter fan-boys trolling their opinion , but hey Ronnie crushed them what else can they try and do? ;D
notice I gave Ronnie his props in this thread never mentioned Yates until the trolls started ;) they prove me right all the time.
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Actually, Dorian said he loved squats. But a back injury forced him to switch to using the Smith-Machine to do them, instead of free weights.
he claimed to not have the "proper structure"
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he claimed to not have the "proper structure"
What he claimed
Be objective in analyzing which exercises are best for you. Some conventional movements might not be suited for your physique. In my case, it was squats. After many years of being faithful to them, I realized that the relative lengths of my bodyparts restricted the range of motion for squats. When I switched to the leg press, I made much faster gains in quad size and sweep.
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"oh these pictures don't count"
"you don't know what the judges look for"
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What he claimed
Be objective in analyzing which exercises are best for you. Some conventional movements might not be suited for your physique. In my case, it was squats. After many years of being faithful to them, I realized that the relative lengths of my bodyparts restricted the range of motion for squats. When I switched to the leg press, I made much faster gains in quad size and sweep.
yeah...that's what I'm saying it wasn't a back injury from what I heard
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"oh these pictures don't count"
"you don't know what the judges look for"
hahahahaha yeah I thought so , I just gave you an elaborate and detailed explanation on how and why Dorian beats Ronnie and this is your reply? thanks for admitting you can't responding intelligently and objectively
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hahahahaha yeah I thought so , I just gave you an elaborate and detailed explanation on how and why Dorian beats Ronnie and this is your reply? thanks for admitting you can't responding intelligently and objectively
I gave picture proof, you continue to type paragraphs about the same thing
"oh these pictures don't count" because ronnie is better
"you don't know how to judge a show" because ronnie is better
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I gave picture proof, you continue to type paragraphs about the same thing
"oh these pictures don't count" because ronnie is better
"you don't know how to judge a show" because ronnie is better
You're in way over your head kid , I don't make blanket statements I know what I'm talking about and you don't ;)
and don't quote me inaccurately that's deceptive , I never said they don't count I said they're not an accurate representation of reality and elaborated on exactly why
and you don't know how to judge a contest not because Ronnie is ' better ' because you're clueless
thanks for proving you're not interested in a debate just trolling your opinion as fact ;)
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I gave picture proof, you continue to type paragraphs about the same thing
"oh these pictures don't count" because ronnie is better
"you don't know how to judge a show" because ronnie is better
You really are daft arent you? To me, those pics show Dorian winning. So thanks for posting them, they prove my point of a smaller Dorian slaughtered a larger coleman on balance and proportion, and conditioning. thanks. ;)
Shit, I just let myself get trolled again. Oh well. Thanks for posting that proof that Dorian was better. ;D
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You really are daft arent you? To me, those pics show Dorian winning. So thanks for posting them, they prove my point of a smaller Dorian slaughtered a larger coleman on balance and proportion, and conditioning. thanks. ;)
Shit, I just let myself get trolled again. Oh well. Thanks for posting that proof that Dorian was better. ;D
Exactly despite not being scaled accurately Dorian just destroys Ronnie in terms of density & dryness and balance & proportion. Ronnie's bugger softer his balance & proportion are at among his worst for his physique nevermind Yates'
he's like Hulkster the old ' see ' Ronnie is better lmao
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his small legs? legs include , quads , calves and hams so once again you're making a blanket statement that covers a large area of muscles. and Dorian's hamstrings ( part of the legs ) do not lack ' seperation ' ( sic ) they do in fact show great separation and thickness , although they show no striations , much like his quads which is an area where Ronnie had an advantage over Dorian ( depending on the year & the weight ) and we've already established Ronnie's quads don't exhibit striations like they did in 96 , and oppssss forgot the calves which BTW are part of the legs , which is NO contest because Dorian's are eons better which show clearly better classic diamond shape , better separation and proportion in relation to his quads than compared to Ronnie then your blanket statement doesn't look promising does it?
Ronnie has ' better ' quads Dorian has better calves , both have great hams now tie everything together in terms of balance & proportion , whose calves are more in proportion with their quads? Dorian , whose hams are more in proportion with their quads & calves ? Dorian who has better leg balance throughout? Dorian you think an advantage in separation of the rectus femoris and larger quads negates all of this? not how it works
And another point you can't seem to grasp is at his best Dorian's bicep wasn't torn and even if it were his one bicep shorter than the other does NOT effect as many poses as two very undersized , poor shaped unproportionate calves which effects every single pose , because they can't be posed around and are visible from every angle in every pose
Ronnie may have a bigger chest , and not as defined? what do you mean by this? Dorian's chest shows great development and is striated to hell , Ronnie has an advantage in delt-pec tie-ins but you're making overstatements again. And holy shit Dorian's back lacked upper back detail? moronic statement here , Dorian's back actually even compared to Ronnie lacks NOTHING , his traps are insanely huge and detailed ( yes he has striations in his traps I don't see them on Ronnies ) and thickness? man I mean dude wtf? you've been starring at those imaginary ' comparisons ' to long , a trend you have is to make blanket statements and you don't elaborate on anything , we're supposed to just take your word for it his back lacks detail and thickness compared to Ronnie ::)
I know how contests are judged do you? obviously not with some of your replies , everything matters in a contest and it ALL matters at once
muscular size , balanced development , density & dryness , proportion , posing , while Ronnie meets part(s) of this criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet all of it better
you can try and accumulate all the better & bigger parts you want and think that makes the better whole it doesn't and that's not how it works. you're glossing over Ronnie flaws concentrating solely on his strengths and taking a lot of liberties with blanket statements.
On paper Ronnie should easily win the ab-thigh pose , because according to you he has better symmetry ( small waist , hips , joints etc ) bigger better legs ( you mean quads ) but when we break it down on how contests are judged things change a lot from on paper
Muscular bulk who is carrying more muscular bulk in this pose ? now this is a tricky question it depends on the year , Dorian at what I consider his best ( precontest 1993 ) and what a vast majority of people feel Ronnie's best is , 2001 ASC. does Ronnie at 247 carry more muscular bulk than Dorian at 269lbs? I think not , advantage Dorian , now size for the sake of size is much good if it's not back up by conditioning and in this case Dorian backs it up
Density & dryness , now I've have quotes from experts who say Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian so we can say Dorian has a clear advantage in this area but for the sake of argument lets say dryness is equal , density wouldn't be because Dorian is backing his up with 22 more pounds of dense hard muscle , it's relatively easy to be dry and dense when you're smaller and a whole other ball of wax to be that when you're bigger so Dorian has an advantage in density and we'll push dryness , so light edge for Dorian in the conditioning department and still the same advantage in muscular bulk
Balance & proportion , much to your dismay Ronnie doesn't have great balance or proportion to his physique , his calves aren't in proportion with his quads , his quads dominate his hams ( when viewed in profile , this is clearly more evident when he's heavier ) his forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps , his glutes are so over-sized they can actually be seen from the front , he has a short torso and long legs , and his arms are to long for his torso , Dorian isn't the greatest but he's better than Ronnie with much better proportion between muscles , and balance between upper/lower body , again not perfect but better than Ronnie , advantage Dorian
Posing & presentation , another clear advantage for Dorian , Ronnie sucks at posing , and as I've said before neither are Lee Labrada but Dorian can effectively do the mandatory poses and pose around his weaknesses , Ronnie walks out doing the ' raise the roof ' with his gut punching out and this is at the beginning of his routine , advantage Dorian
Now back to the ab-thigh , whole Ronnie has advantage in his pose he still loses and why? he has superior ' symmetry ' and bigger quads and arms , yet he loses this pose miserably why? his midsection which sucks , it does him absolutely nothing to have a smaller & narrower waist when his abdominals suck oddly shaped 4-pack that's asymmetrical , his abdomen sticks out , his obliques , intercostals and serratus lack razor sharp definition compared to Dorian , he has bigger maybe even better quads that sit ontop of atrocious calves , he's down in muscular bulk and density and this is exactly why your paper advantage don't always translate into reality and why Dorian crushes him in this pose .
now apply all that criteria to every pose and you will see how Dorian simply meets all of that criteria better than Ronnie.
OMFKNG GOD...........MELTDOWN of EPIC proprtions.
I mean seriously...this could be up there for MOTY.
Oh and PS....according to you ;)...you seriously need counseling
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You're in way over your head kid , I don't make blanket statements I know what I'm talking about and you don't ;)
and don't quote me inaccurately that's deceptive , I never said they don't count I said they're not an accurate representation of reality and elaborated on exactly why
and you don't know how to judge a contest not because Ronnie is ' better ' because you're clueless
thanks for proving you're not interested in a debate just trolling your opinion as fact ;)
You do the same exact thing you nitwit.
Like i said, i think you might be a little nuts :P
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OMFKNG GOD...........MELTDOWN of EPIC proprtions.
I mean seriously...this could be up there for MOTY.
Oh and PS....according to you ;)...you seriously need counseling
Oh boy ::) go learn what a meltdown is
And I don't troll my opinion , I share it in the context of a debate on a very subjective topic , oh that's right it's not trolling it's a meltdown ( yawn ) go learn what trolling is before you comment on whose doing it come back when you know what you're talking about and I'll accept your apology ;)
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Oh boy ::) go learn what a meltdown is
And I don't troll my opinion , I share it in the context of a debate on a very subjective topic , oh that's right it's not trolling it's a meltdown ( yawn ) go learn what trolling is before you comment on whose doing it come back when you know what you're talking about and I'll accept your apology ;)
No...it's the same exact dude....an opinion. You are no more right than any one else, that's why they are called opinions.
When i talked about Ronnie a few pages ago...I said "IMO....he eclipsed Dorian" i don't expect everyone to agree with me and i don't think my opinion is law like you do.
Everyone "doesn't know what they are talking about" except you ::) you really can't see how ridiculous that is ?
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No...it's the same exact dude....an opinion. You are no more right than any one else, that's why they are called opinions.
When i talked about Ronnie a few pages ago...I said "IMO....he eclipsed Dorian" i don't expect everyone to agree with me and i don't think my opinion is law like you do.
Everyone "doesn't know what they are talking about" except you ::) you really can't see how ridiculous that is ?
Where did I ever claim my opinion was fact? where? I said my opinion at the least is more knowledgeable than these guys but never once said it's fact especially on such a subjective topic as this , once again you couldn't be any more wrong
It's a FACT these guys don't know what they're talking about that's proven ;) and when I elaborate on my point of view it's called a ' meltdown ' get serious
it's also a FACT Dorian easily beat Ronnie for years ;)
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Where did I ever claim my opinion was fact? where? I said my opinion at the least is more knowledgeable than these guys but never once said it's fact especially on such a subjective topic as this , once again you couldn't be any more wrong
It's a FACT these guys don't know what they're talking about that's proven ;) and when I elaborate on my point of view it's called a ' meltdown ' get serious
it's also a FACT Dorian easily beat Ronnie for years ;)
proven how...because you don't agree ??
who the fuck are you ?
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Ronnie has an advantage in delt-pec tie-ins but you're making overstatements again
you call this an 'overstatement'?
::)
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proven how...because you don't agree ??
who the fuck are you ?
Proven how? how is it a proven fact Dorian doesn't have smaller joints , hips and waist compared to Ronnie? and bigger calves? are you asking how this is proven? shall I even dignify this with a meltdown reply? shall I continue?
And I'm the one teaching YOU ( and these guys ) how bodybuilding contests are judged that's who I am ;)
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proven how...because you don't agree ??
who the fuck are you ?
he is an idiot. and he is really taking a public beating in this thread much like the truce thread he ran from not too long ago.
its the same old story:
pics and visuals show ronnie is clearly better for reasons that have been explained and verified time and time again.
ND attempts to discredit visuals.
everyone knows the visuals are real and as objective as you can get in this sport.
ND looks like an idiot.
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he is an idiot. and he is really taking a public beating in this thread much like the truce thread he ran from not too long ago.
its the same old story:
pics and visuals show ronnie is clearly better for reasons that have been explained and verified time and time again.
ND attempts to discredit visuals.
everyone knows the visuals are real and as objective as you can get in this sport.
ND looks like an idiot.
And even Groink understands that visuals arent proof because its up to the PERSON looking at the visuals to forumlate his opinion.
Im MY opinion, all those pics you post just shows Dorian being better balanced, better conditioned, and just as large as Ronnie (Except 2003 where Ronnie traded size for conditioning)
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Proven how? how is it a proven fact Dorian doesn't have smaller joints , hips and waist compared to Ronnie? and bigger calves? are you asking how this is proven? shall I even dignify this with a meltdown reply? shall I continue?
And I'm the one teaching YOU ( and these guys ) how bodybuilding contests are judged that's who I am ;)
You are just strange...who the hell is talking about joint size and calves?? are you high or something?
It's like you don't understand English
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And even Groink understands that visuals arent proof because its up to the PERSON looking at the visuals to forumlate his opinion
but Groink isn't going on about how 1999 olympia videos are faked just because they show ronnie being significantly better than dorian ::).
you guys made this your mission statement for a year.
talk about admitting ronnie was better...thats about all you need from your camp right there..
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And even Groink understands that visuals arent proof because its up to the PERSON looking at the visuals to forumlate his opinion.
Im MY opinion, all those pics you post just shows Dorian being better balanced, better conditioned, and just as large as Ronnie (Except 2003 where Ronnie traded size for conditioning)
Fair enough....I seriously think ND is mentally imbalanced.
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It's like you don't understand English
he never has. anyone who has spent any time debating with ND understands that he fails to read and understand basic english.
I don't think it is his first language. his grasp is much too weak for that.
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he is an idiot. and he is really taking a public beating in this thread much like the truce thread he ran from not too long ago.
its the same old story:
pics and visuals show ronnie is clearly better for reasons that have been explained and verified time and time again.
ND attempts to discredit visuals.
everyone knows the visuals are real and as objective as you can get in this sport.
ND looks like an idiot.
Thank you for proving my points. you're bitter because I kicked your ass in the truce thread and are looking for ANYONE to agree with you so you can try and equal the score , it's not gonna happen dummy
I've owned you for years now , keep trying to beg anyone to agree that I'm wrong ;)
when someone says Dorian should have lost the most dominating Mr Olympia win in the contests history he is an idiot , when someone says Ronnie dominated a contest where he lost the entire prejudging he is an idiot , when someone claimed 1998 was a close contest when the winner and second place guy was separated by 3 point he is an idiot , when someone says 1999 is Ronnie's best showing he's an idiot , I can honesty continue for a LONG time with your moron statements but everyone get's the gist ;)
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Fair enough....I seriously think ND is mentally imbalanced.
so does everyone else on this board.
its common knowledge by now..
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You are just strange...who the hell is talking about joint size and calves?? are you high or something?
too much flower perfume..
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You are just strange...who the hell is talking about joint size and calves?? are you high or something?
It's like you don't understand English
Having a tough time following the point? you asked a simple question and I'm proving my point , you said how it is proven a fact and not an opinion , I'm explaining my point about certain things are a proven fact and not an opinion , it's on you if you have comprehension issues.
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Thank you for proving my points. you're bitter because I kicked your ass in the truce thread and are looking for ANYONE to agree with you so you can try and equal the score , it's not gonna happen dummy
I've owned you for years now , keep trying to beg anyone to agree that I'm wrong ;)
when someone says Dorian should have lost the most dominating Mr Olympia win in the contests history he is an idiot , when someone says Ronnie dominated a contest where he lost the entire prejudging he is an idiot , when someone claimed 1998 was a close contest when the winner and second place guy was separated by 3 point he is an idiot , when someone says 1999 is Ronnie's best showing he's an idiot , I can honesty continue for a LONG time with your moron statements but everyone get's the gist ;)
No we don't actually....It's his opinion. No right or wrong about it.
You really seem to have a hard time grasping that very simple concept
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Fair enough....I seriously think ND is mentally imbalanced.
says the guy who calls a post which details and elaborates on my point of view why I think Dorian is better than Ronnie a ' meltdown '
more wonderful logic from you ::)
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so does everyone else on this board.
its common knowledge by now..
Typical Hulkster can't compete in the debate subject and now tries at all costs to attack the messenger lol I love when you prove me right.
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says the guy who calls a post which details and elaborates on my point of view why I think Dorian is better than Ronnie a ' meltdown '
more wonderful logic from you ::)
To compare these two dudes down to their fingernails in an attempt to prove yourself right is a textbook meltdown.
You can post a billion words, it's still just some douche on the net's opinion
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No we don't actually....It's his opinion. No right or wrong about it.
You really seem to have a hard time grasping that very simple concept
No you're wrong period. he's entitled to his own opinion ut he's not entitled to his own facts. especially when his ' opinion ' contradicts the facts.
it's you who apparently have a very difficult time following simple concepts
he says Dorian lost the most dominant Mr Olympia contest , he's not wrong? ::)
he claims Ronnie dominated a contest where he lost the entire prejudging and he's not wrong? ::)
nonsense plain & simple , there are facts and then there are morons who contradict them and hiding under the umbrella of opinion doesn't make the facts wrong
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You can post a billion words, it's still just some douche on the net's opinion
and its an opinion based on things not found in real life..
thats why he must try and disprove and discredit all the visuals.
the visuals show ronnie to be much better when you apply the basic criteria of physique assessment.
ND knows this so his answer is to ignore/discredit the visuals - see the 1999 Olympia pics, vids and screenshots for the most famous example of this.
sneaky tactic, but one that everyone has seen right through long ago..
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To compare these two dudes down to their fingernails in an attempt to prove yourself right is a textbook meltdown.
You can post a billion words, it's still just some douche on the net's opinion
Still lost huh? my intent wasn't to prove myself right , that's impossible because these guys already made up their minds , my intent was to show them how to pose and argument based on the judging criteria which none of you can seem to do , once again it's a case of you drawing your own conclusions
and all the name calling sensitive are we?
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No you're wrong period. he's entitled to his own opinion ut he's not entitled to his own facts. especially when his ' opinion ' contradicts the facts.
it's you who apparently have a very difficult time following simple concepts
he says Dorian lost the most dominant Mr Olympia contest , he's not wrong? ::)
he claims Ronnie dominated a contest where he lost the entire prejudging and he's not wrong? ::)
nonsense plain & simple , there are facts and then there are morons who contradict them and hiding under the umbrella of opinion doesn't make the facts wrong
I really don't follow the minutiae of what you two have been bickering about for the last five years.
I do know the crux of the argument is he thinks Ronnie is better, you think Dorian is better. two differing opinions.
Neither one of you is right or wrong, but you seem to think your opinion carries more weight. it's funny.
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a billion words in an ND rant on getbig cannot overcome the evidence in this video:
sorry nuthuggers. but your hero could not come close to this.
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and its an opinion based on things not found in real life..
thats why he must try and disprove and discredit all the visuals.
the visuals show ronnie to be much better when you apply the basic criteria of physique assessment.
ND knows this so his answer is to ignore/discredit the visuals - see the 1999 Olympia pics, vids and screenshots for the most famous example of this.
sneaky tactic, but one that everyone has seen right through long ago..
I love when Hulkster says ' real life ' with his manipulated screencaps and his conclusions that defy reason and logic , Ronnie's calves are way more detailed than Dorians are LMFAO
I can continue to showcase your hypocrisy and stupidity but I'll let you get back to begging for people to agree with you , you need it. ;)
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I really don't follow the minutiae of what you two have been bickering about for the last five years.
I do know the crux of the argument is he thinks Ronnie is better, you think Dorian is better. two differing opinions.
Neither one of you is right or wrong, but you seem to think your opinion carries more weight. it's funny.
I'll tell you what the argument has become , Hulkster made to look like a giant moron and him bashing Yates and trying to slander me in every post , it's all he does he very rarely posts in other topics and it's all he knows.
I made him look like a complete idiot and now he's begging everyone on here to agree with him and that will some how prove his point Dorian should have lost in 1993 ::)
I embarrassed the living fuck out of Hulkster by showing everyone how ignorant , stupid and retarded he is and now he's desperately trying to equal the score , and to add insult to injury I rubbed it in his face that Ronnie's said even after he became Mr Olympia he couldn't touch Dorian so what he have now is a bitter little man who can't let go , now his entire time on GetBig is dedicated to bashing Yates and me it's all he has
I let this shit go a long time ago , he can't.
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Still lost huh? my intent wasn't to prove myself right , that's impossible because these guys already made up their minds , my intent was to show them how to pose and argument based on the judging criteria which none of you can seem to do , once again it's a case of you drawing your own conclusions
and all the name calling sensitive are we?
You think that was an insult...but I'm sensitive. LOLOLOL .
I'm just talking here, no need to get all jumpy because you don't agree with what I say
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You think that was an insult...but I'm sensitive. LOLOLOL .
I'm just talking here, no need to get all jumpy because you don't agree with what I say
no insult , I don't need to insult you.
you're the one name calling
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no insult , I don't need to insult you.
you're the one name calling
I said "some douche on the net" not really an insult in my book, just a term. I say it about myself.
I'm done here....debating you is like debating a republican, it's pointless
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a billion words in an ND rant on getbig cannot overcome the evidence in this video:
sorry nuthuggers. but your hero could not come close to this.
hahahahahaha the old ' see ' Dorian was eons better years before ;)
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I said "some douche on the net" not really an insult in my book, just a term. I say it about myself.
I'm done here....debating you is like debating a republican, it's pointless
there is NO debate , you'd have to know what you're talking about. there is just sensitive fan-boys angry because Ronnie wasn't good enough to beat Dorian
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hahahahahaha the old ' see ' Dorian was eons better years before ;)
I hope you realize that every time you try and laugh at the 'see' argument (which is the most effective argument of them all because it uses real visuals not verbal bullshit)
the whole board laughs at you.
nothing wrong with using real visuals to show ronnie was better.
in fact, its the most damaging evidence ever to your position.
and you know it.
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I hope you realize that every time you try and laugh at the 'see' argument (which is the most effective argument of them all because it uses real visuals not verbal bullshit)
the whole board laughs at you.
nothing wrong with using real visuals to show ronnie was better.
in fact, its the most damaging evidence ever to your position.
and you know it.
OH NO the ' board ' is laughing at me , says the guy who claims Ronnie has more detailed calves that Dorian ever did and Dorian should have lost to Flex in 93 LMFAO who cares what the ' board ' thinks , stop begging for people to agree with you it wont change how retarded you are
yeah and the 99 screencaps that were PHOTOSHOPPED were overwhelming visual evidence too ;D until Kevin Horton busted you oh lets not forget your morphed pics you used ;D and your fake quotes ;D
Ronnie knows Dorian is better only his fanboys don't
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compare the videos.
ronnie crushes him. 10x better taper, better muscle shape. better back, arms, quads, chest, hams, glutes etc.
dorian has better calves and abs.
same old story.
and ND, there is nothing you can do to disprove these visuals.
as much as you hate them, they are real.
sucks to be you.
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Visuals back up my point of view as well as Ronnie when he said Dorian had the thickest freakiest back he ever seen and unlike you internet-fan-boy Ronnie's seen Dorian LIVE and in PERSON not just on pictures and video ;)
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Dorian wins on back, calves and abs; Ronnie wins on chest, arms and thighs.
Tough one ;D
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Visuals back up my point of view as well as Ronnie when he said Dorian had the thickest freakiest back he ever seen and unlike you internet-fan-boy Ronnie's seen Dorian LIVE and in PERSON not just on pictures and video ;)
you left out this picture...best back ever seen
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compare the videos.
ronnie crushes him. 10x better taper, better muscle shape. better back, arms, quads, chest, hams, glutes etc.
dorian has better calves and abs.
same old story.
and ND, there is nothing you can do to disprove these visuals.
as much as you hate them, they are real.
sucks to be you.
Yup so you say and you say a LOT of things that contradict REALITY like Ronnie had more detailed calves than Dorian ;) and Dorian should have lost the 93 Olympia to Flex ;D and 99 is Ronnie's best ??? Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the whole prejudging in :-\ keep talking kid it's all you have
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and ND, there is nothing you can do to disprove these visuals.
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Visuals back up my point of view as well as Ronnie when he said Dorian had the thickest freakiest back he ever seen and unlike you internet-fan-boy Ronnie's seen Dorian LIVE and in PERSON not just on pictures and video ;)
yeah, lots of people have seen both ronnie and dorian live and in person.
including getbiggers.
and do you know what they say?
read and weep loser:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.
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you left out this picture...best back ever seen
it's 98 looked fantastic that year . The pic I posted crushes that one by far and this is ONLY my opinion ;) the he looked fantastic that year is a fact in fact much better than 1999
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yeah, lots of people have seen both ronnie and dorian live and in person.
including getbiggers.
and do you know what they say?
read and weep loser:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
You think that trumps the THREE times Ronnie said he couldn't touch Yates? and quotes are useless and look at poor Huulkster trying to use them hypocrite
Ronnie trumps everyone else opinion on the subject , this ended the truce thread and sent you into a downward spiral that you still haven't recovered from ;D
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I think its really sad that you guys are clinging to the 96 post tear (LOL are you high? ::)) grand prix vid of dorian as your saviour.
sure, his back is very cut and detailed.
but its also quite thin in the rear double bi pose - at least compared to ronnie..
his waist is massive, his arms are awful, his quads even worse. pecs nothing special as always.
shitty from the front. great from the back.
same old story.
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Ouch lol poor Hulkster and this isn't even Dorian's best , scary proposition
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that vid is great. great for the ronnie side.
dorian's torn up shitty arms are 5 sizes too small for his massive gut and torso.
its great that the vid intro shows dorian's awful proportions freeze framed in all is shitty glory..
but then, that is not something that the nuthuggers have ever understood anything about..proportions.. ::)
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Ouch lol poor Hulkster and this isn't even Dorian's best , scary proposition
Honestly that's the best video of Dorian I've seen on the net. He's so freaky thick and full there, he makes 99 Coleman look flat like a pancake. It makes you wonder how a human can even walk around carrying so much thickness on his frame lol.
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Hahah way to go Affeman, brutal ownage of Hulkster, he wont recover, once again Dorians clear superiority is burned into Hulkster brain and hell spend the next 6 months going into any thread with Dorians name on it trying desperatley to get people to agree with him,... hahaha oh brother massive ownage by a far from his best Dorian, let alone 93, bwahahaha. ;D
Dorian's thickness and harndess = unmatched.
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that vid is great. great for the ronnie side.
dorian's torn up shitty arms are 5 sizes too small for his massive gut and torso.
its great that the vid intro shows dorian's awful proportions freeze framed in all is shitty glory..
but then, that is not something that the nuthuggers have ever understood anything about..proportions.. ::)
hehehehehehehe Ronnie's shiity 15 sizes to small calves are totally acceptable ,and his massive gut is as well and his shitty proportions are , hey lets overlook all of Ronnie's flaws hahahahaha
hypocrite
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Honestly that's the best video of Dorian I've seen on the net. He's so freaky thick and full there, he makes 99 Coleman look flat like a pancake. It makes you wonder how a human can even walk around carrying so much thickness on his frame lol.
He knows it's great why he tries so hard to act like it's not that video shows Dorian in amazing conditioning especially compared to 99
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that vid is great. great for the ronnie side.
dorian's torn up shitty arms are 5 sizes too small for his massive gut and torso.
its great that the vid intro shows dorian's awful proportions freeze framed in all is shitty glory..
but then, that is not something that the nuthuggers have ever understood anything about..proportions.. ::)
Hahaha keep telling yourself whatever you need, hte only person youre trying to convince is yourself, we already know who was better, hahah Ronnie could never touch Dorian, let alone beat him, and history proves me right, hahaha ;D
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Hahaha keep telling yourself whatever you need, hte only person youre trying to convince is yourself, we already know who was better, hahah Ronnie could never touch Dorian, let alone beat him, and history proves me right, hahaha ;D
he's desperately trying to appeals to everyone and anyone who will agree with him , " Look everyone the two nutt-huggers claim Dorian is better ' it's pathetic he tries so hard to speak for the entire board and the whole bodybuilding industry the kid is a complete tool , even people who think Ronnie is better think Hulkster is retarded ;D and they're right
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Ok I changed my mind, dorian is better. ND, Shockwave, you guys win. I've realized that ronnie just lacks the size and detail and condition and balance that dorian had.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=10295&id=42119&Itemid=266)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332731.0;attach=373491;image)JK BOOM! bahahahaha
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Every body part on Ronnie is gigantic. His back appearing large still is ridiculous. These queefs today aren't even close.
LOL the photo above ^ you can see Ronnies ''glutes'' from the front.
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Every body part on Ronnie is gigantic. His back appearing large still is ridiculous. These queefs today aren't even close.
LOL the photo above ^ you can see Ronnies ''glutes'' from the front.
quarter turn facing back, rear glute spread
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Grown allegedly heterosexual men comparing pictures of other men in thongs.. :-*
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Grown allegedly heterosexual men comparing pictures of other men in thongs.. :-*
what the fuck do you think bodybuilding is?
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Ronnie 2003 wins: front DB, rear DB, most muscular, side chest, rear lat spread
Dorian 93 or 95 wins: ab and thigh, side triceps, very close rear lat spread (superior hardness and calves, inferior glutes, hams and overall size).
It's like Dexter Jackson 2004 all over again, better ab and thigh and debateably better conditioning. Except he didn't even beat Ronnie on ab and thigh in 2004 because Ronnie has 4 times more thigh than him. Dito Dorian. Obviously Dorian > Dexter, but interesting Dexter's superior midsection and hardness didn't win him a single pose against Ronnie, and Dorian 93, 95 < Ronnie 2003.
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Ronnie 2003 wins: front DB, rear DB, most muscular, side chest, rear lat spread
Dorian 93 or 95 wins: ab and thigh, side triceps, very close rear lat spread (superior hardness and calves, inferior glutes, hams and overall size).
It's like Dexter Jackson 2004 all over again, better ab and thigh and debateably better conditioning. Except he didn't even beat Ronnie on ab and thigh in 2004 because Ronnie has 4 times more thigh than him. Dito Dorian. Obviously Dorian > Dexter, but interesting Dexter's superior midsection and hardness didn't win him a single pose against Ronnie, and Dorian 93, 95 < Ronnie 2003.
LMFAO comparing Dorian to Dexter , enough said.
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LMFAO comparing Dorian to Dexter , enough said.
dex is one hard mofo
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Well atleast Dexter can still be proud that he is natural, unlike that cheater Dorian.
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Well atleast Dexter can still be proud that he is natural, unlike that cheater Dorian.
good point !
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LMFAO comparing Dorian to Dexter , enough said.
sigh. you missed his whole point because you are stupid ::).
let me recap:
ronnie beat dexter in the ab and thigh because he had a much better taper and better quads.
Ronnie could possibly beat dorian in the same pose for the same reason. abs are only part of the pose, buddy.
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sigh. you missed his whole point because you are stupid ::).
let me recap:
ronnie beat dexter in the ab and thigh because he had a much better taper and better quads.
Ronnie could possibly beat dorian in the same pose for the same reason. abs are only part of the pose, buddy.
No , moron I got the point completely and still laugh at the absurdity of trying to compare Dexter Jackson to the most dominate Mr Olympia winner ever
Ronnie didn't beat Dexter in the ab-thigh because he had a better taper & quads either dumbass , oversimplification but a complete idiot
Dorian is NOT Dexter , Dorian has advantages in this pose that shame both of them Ronnie can't touch Yates in this and many other poses
and FYI Ronnie is flexing in this pic :-\
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Ronnie's ab-thigh blows compared to Dorian
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The best ever
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42543&Itemid=202)
ouch
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42543&Itemid=202)
ouch
Ouch indeed. Ahoy matey! Water off the port bow! Whered me crisp muscular deliniation go? ZOMG SOME GET ME THE BUCKET!!! THIS MAN IS HOLDING WATER!!!
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Ouch indeed. Ahoy matey! Water off the port bow! Whered me crisp muscular deliniation go? ZOMG SOME GET ME THE BUCKET!!! THIS MAN IS HOLDING WATER!!!
course this is a 2005 or 06 pic
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:P
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ronnie's back still looks crazy there and thats one of his worst all time presentations.
at his best, well, the pics say 1000 words: 8)