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:D
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would easily win the O looking like this now.
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where did you find them?
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looks to be from his guest posing at the 93 EFBB Finals
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=471966;image)(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_as-mO9PVic8/SLjKlSKniHI/AAAAAAAAC9I/uoTV8OJeC5s/branch+warren.jpg)
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A bit unfair to compare Yates to that ugly, dwarven gargoyle. But yes, Branch in the 90's would struggle to crack the top 10 of most shows. Comparing him to Yates is laughable at best.
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:D
Great shots
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looks fucking good in those shots
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A bit unfair to compare Yates to that ugly, dwarven gargoyle. But yes, Branch in the 90's would struggle to crack the top 10 of most shows. Comparing him to Yates is laughable at best.
They're actually a lot alike , both really hard core trainers , both tore muscles , both are known for grainy conditioning and thickness and not having pretty physiques
Dorian would crush him in a contest but they are similar in a lot of ways
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They're actually a lot alike , both really hard core trainers , both tore muscles , both are known for grainy conditioning and thickness and not having pretty physiques
Dorian would crush him in a contest but they are similar in a lot of ways
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that Branch is a very distant wannabe of Dorian.
Dorian's training was really hardcore - Branch moves weight 3 inches and makes a lot of noise.
Not even getting into the physiques... Dorian makes Branch look like a red-headed stepchild.
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Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that Branch is a very distant wannabe of Dorian.
Dorian's training was really hardcore - Branch moves weight 3 inches and makes a lot of noise.
Not even getting into the physiques... Dorian makes Branch look like a red-headed stepchild.
6 Straight Olympias most dominant IFBB pro in history I would say lots of guys want to be Dorian 8)
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where did you find them?
I'm guessing he found them somewhere on facebook because of the long "numbers" as the name of the pics.
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Here is an early shot that you will not have seen.
I took it!
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Dorian's quads weren't that great.
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Here is an early shot that you will not have seen.
I took it!
Impressive.
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They're actually a lot alike , both really hard core trainers , both tore muscles , both are known for grainy conditioning and thickness and not having pretty physiques
Dorian would crush him in a contest but they are similar in a lot of ways
I just don't see the "condition" thing with Branch...with Dorian et al, you saw the muscle fibers, thin skin---peeled...Plus the muscles were seperated...not with Branch, he's just a lump, big legs but detail and conditioning are missing, especially back.
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I just don't see the "condition" thing with Branch...with Dorian et al, you saw the muscle fibers, thin skin---peeled...Plus the muscles were seperated...not with Branch, he's just a lump, big legs but detail and conditioning are missing, especially back.
This.
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Here is an early shot that you will not have seen.
I took it!
Outstanding shot 1992 Mr Olympia , you've been posting some great unseen shots , keep em coming
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I just don't see the "condition" thing with Branch...with Dorian et al, you saw the muscle fibers, thin skin---peeled...Plus the muscles were seperated...not with Branch, he's just a lump, big legs but detail and conditioning are missing, especially back.
It's a relative thing , his conditioning isn't on par with Yates ( but then again whose was ) but it's pretty good for a guy in this era
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Outstanding shot 1992 Mr Olympia , you've been posting some great unseen shots , keep em coming
Thanks, I have just scanned 100s of old negs going back to 91. Glad you are enjoying. Plenty more to come.
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Thanks, I have just scanned 100s of old negs going back to 91. Glad you are enjoying. Plenty more to come.
Awesome thanks !!
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Awesome thanks !!
Perhaps I should start a historical photo thread and put them all there. Should it be a sticky? What should we call the thread?
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Perhaps I should start a historical photo thread and put them all there. Should it be a sticky? What should we call the thread?
KING OF BODYBUILDING ;)
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Here is an early shot that you will not have seen.
I took it!
awesome stuff, i always like seeing pics of the 92-93 dorian
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jesus looked like shit!!!
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DORIAN YATES aka THE GUY WHO RUINED COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDING AS WE KNOW IT .!!!!
THANK YOU , U BRIT PIECE OF SHIT.. ;D
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DORIAN YATES aka THE GUY WHO RUINED COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDING AS WE KNOW IT .!!!!
THANK YOU , U BRIT PIECE OF SHIT.. ;D
true ...i was watching a video of him the other day and he just took it to a whole different level. Still looked better than today's blow up dolls like kuclo
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Dorian's quads weren't that great.
in the above pics they do not 'appear' that great
But they were
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bring back the 80's
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jesus looked like shit!!!
Ok...
But what's that got to do with dorian?
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Wow, 20 years, Bodybuilding the only "sport" that has regression
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Among other things, Branch lacks separation.
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Wow, 20 years, Bodybuilding the only "sport" that has regression
you're comparing a Mr. Olympia to a non-Mr. Olympia and that's the conclusion you reach? How about comparing Dorian to the current Mr. Olympia, genius?
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Honestly, what is the big deal about Yates? He looks like shit in every pic I see of him. His black and white photos are his best by far.
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They're actually a lot alike , both really hard core trainers , both tore muscles , both are known for grainy conditioning and thickness and not having pretty physiques
Dorian would crush him in a contest but they are similar in a lot of ways
That's actually a pretty impressive pic of Branch there.
I know a lot of people don't like his look but I can see why he wins contests.
Yates is in another league altogether though.
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Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that Branch is a very distant wannabe of Dorian.
Dorian's training was really hardcore - Branch moves weight 3 inches and makes a lot of noise.
Not even getting into the physiques... Dorian makes Branch look like a red-headed stepchild.
Bullfucking shit he does.
Emperor's new clothes with Dorian. They are very similar, Dorian has a far better back though.
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you're comparing a Mr. Olympia to a non-Mr. Olympia and that's the conclusion you reach? How about comparing Dorian to the current Mr. Olympia, genius?
You think Phil compares favorably with Dorian?
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You think Phil compares favorably with Dorian?
yes. I still think a prime Dorian would beat Phil, but Phil is closing the gap. He is one of the few pros who keeps improving from show to show. Who is to say he won't surpass Dorian in 2-3 years?
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Dorian was overrated. There is no way in hell he should have won 6 Sandows, especially after the muscle tears. from 1990's on, I think Yates was one of the worst Olympians ever. Bodybuilding is (or should be) about aesthetics and mass. Yates was a blocky mess. Compare Cutler's all-time best to Dorian's.
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Real muscle and real width.
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yes. I still think a prime Dorian would beat Phil, but Phil is closing the gap. He is one of the few pros who keeps improving from show to show. Who is to say he won't surpass Dorian in 2-3 years?
What do you mean by surpass? what has Phil brought to the table Dorian hasn't already? what can he bring? I just made a thread about his progress from 2005 on I agree he keeps getting better and I think if he comes in like he has at this past Olympia he will win again and the only real threat he has his Kai unless Jay comes in looking like 09 again but that's not likely
Phil looks great in the most musculars and and front & rear double biceps shots , but his latspreads leave a lot to be desired and from the sides he's not the same force and his ab-thigh isn't a strong pose either Dorian was more of a force from all angles than Phil is I don't see Phil getting better in that respect
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Dorian was overrated. There is no way in hell he should have won 6 Sandows, especially after the muscle tears. from 1990's on, I think Yates was one of the worst Olympians ever. Bodybuilding is (or should be) about aesthetics and mass. Yates was a blocky mess. Compare Cutler's all-time best to Dorian's.
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great pics,cutlers best in noway compares to yates,only ronnie in a couple diff. contests could compare to yates,and yes mentality wise branch does kinda remind me of yates.
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great pics,cutlers best in noway compares to yates,only ronnie in a couple diff. contests could compare to yates,and yes mentality wise branch does kinda remind me of yates.
I can respect that you like Yates, but Ronnie blows him away every year. Skinny Ronnie beats skinny Yates. Monster Ronnie is more aesthetic than monster Yates.
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dorian = amateur size everywhere
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Dorian was overrated. There is no way in hell he should have won 6 Sandows, especially after the muscle tears. from 1990's on, I think Yates was one of the worst Olympians ever. Bodybuilding is (or should be) about aesthetics and mass. Yates was a blocky mess. Compare Cutler's all-time best to Dorian's.
Blocky, how? Not enough v-taper? ;D
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Blocky, how? Not enough v-taper? ;D
Cutler (when on) has a better shape then Dorian. The only thing Yates had going for him was that he was very conditioned. Still a fridge.
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What do you mean by surpass? what has Phil brought to the table Dorian hasn't already? what can he bring? I just made a thread about his progress from 2005 on I agree he keeps getting better and I think if he comes in like he has at this past Olympia he will win again and the only real threat he has his Kai unless Jay comes in looking like 09 again but that's not likely
Phil looks great in the most musculars and and front & rear double biceps shots , but his latspreads leave a lot to be desired and from the sides he's not the same force and his ab-thigh isn't a strong pose either Dorian was more of a force from all angles than Phil is I don't see Phil getting better in that respect
let's use bodybuilding terms you can understand. Phil almost matches Dorian in muscular bulk, has better symmetry, balance, definition, and fullness. You said before that a prime Flex could beat Dorian. So let me ask you: what did Flex bring that Phil hasn't already?
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Phil has already surpassed Dorian in bodybuilding terms, he has better detail, shape, proportion, muscularity, less condition and density and a slightly better structure. Flex has better genetics than Phil but unless it's 1993 AC then Phil takes it due to judging criteria.
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let's use bodybuilding terms you can understand. Phil almost matches Dorian in muscular bulk, has better symmetry, balance, definition, and fullness. You said before that a prime Flex could beat Dorian. So let me ask you: what did Flex bring that Phil hasn't already?
Great pics. Phil would rape Dorian.
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let's use bodybuilding terms you can understand. Phil almost matches Dorian in muscular bulk, has better symmetry, balance, definition, and fullness. You said before that a prime Flex could beat Dorian. So let me ask you: what did Flex bring that Phil hasn't already?
almost matches him in muscular bulk? and you came to this conclusion how? Dorian at his best precontest in the B&W pics is 269lbs , on-stage in 1993 257lbs in 1993 , Phil 240lbs at 1" shorter , don't know what school of math you went to but you need to go back , Dorian was 242lbs in 1992 again what new level is Phil bringing? ???
Better symmetry? LMFAO I almost don't want to dignify this with a response , symmetry in what context? because recall it has multiple means , small waist and hips? small joints better taper? wider clavicles? you couldn't accurately say unless they were both standing side-by-side but we know for a fact Phil's taper isn't as good and neither is his clavicle width , and this wouldn't be an an advantage entertaing it were true and why? because Dorian always beat people who did
Balance? no explanation on how or why he has better balance , we'll just take your word for it ::)
Definition? where? ??? elaborate on your claims don't just assert them
fullness? see above
Does Phil carry more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO 257lbs in 1993 Olympia , B&W photos 269lbs and he's about 1" 1/2 taller Phil 240lbs , conditioning?
Does Phil show any new level of conditioning that Dorian never did? Ummmmm NO Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Phil's good for a pro in this day and age doesn't say much and most
Phil's an awesome bodybuilder and like Dorian one of the most complete Mr Olympias but he's not bringing anything new that hasn't been done years before
Flex and Phil are a lot alike structurally both narrow in the clavicles but Phil appears more thick and Flex more streamlined the difference between the two is shape , Flex's shape stands alone and his truly tiny joints and proportions , Flex has the shape and aesthetics Phil doesn't
Dorian looks outstanding at his best from all angles , Phil doesn't Dorian would easily collect more mandatories
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Phil has already surpassed Dorian in bodybuilding terms, he has better detail, shape, proportion, muscularity, less condition and density and a slightly better structure. Flex has better genetics than Phil but unless it's 1993 AC then Phil takes it due to judging criteria.
LMFAO
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almost matches him in muscular bulk? and you came to this conclusion how? Dorian at his best precontest in the B&W pics is 269lbs , on-stage in 1993 257lbs in 1993 , Phil 240lbs at 1" shorter , don't know what school of math you went to but you need to go back , Dorian was 242lbs in 1992 again what new level is Phil bringing? ???
Better symmetry? LMFAO I almost don't want to dignify this with a response , symmetry in what context? because recall it has multiple means , small waist and hips? small joints better taper? wider clavicles? you couldn't accurately say unless they were both standing side-by-side but we know for a fact Phil's taper isn't as good and neither is his clavicle width , and this wouldn't be an an advantage entertaing it were true and why? because Dorian always beat people who did
Balance? no explanation on how or why he has better balance , we'll just take your word for it ::)
Definition? where? ??? elaborate on your claims don't just assert them
fullness? see above
Does Phil carry more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO 257lbs in 1993 Olympia , B&W photos 269lbs and he's about 1" 1/2 taller Phil 240lbs , conditioning?
Does Phil show any new level of conditioning that Dorian never did? Ummmmm NO Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Phil's good for a pro in this day and age doesn't say much and most
Phil's an awesome bodybuilder and like Dorian one of the most complete Mr Olympias but he's not bringing anything new that hasn't been done years before
Flex and Phil are a lot alike structurally both narrow in the clavicles but Phil appears more thick and Flex more streamlined the difference between the two is shape , Flex's shape stands alone and his truly tiny joints and proportions , Flex has the shape and aesthetics Phil doesn't
Dorian looks outstanding at his best from all angles , Phil doesn't Dorian would easily collect more mandatories
Outed for too much info.
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LMFAO
I like you Narc, but you are just a Dorian fanboy. He is far from the best ever. I don't care how many schmoe sandows the guy has.
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I like you Narc, but you are just a Dorian fanboy. He is far from the best ever. I don't care how many schmoe sandows the guy has.
Troll on brother !!
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Troll on brother !!
I'm not trolling. It's cool if Dorian is your fav. bodybuider. That doesn't mean he is the best of all time.
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ND is the biggest schmoe on here imao. Dorian looks great from every angle? ??? ::)
Look at Phil's muscle bellies compared to Dorian, his detail in the arms and legs, Dorian had very little detail from the front. The only advantage Dorian has over Phil is dryness and shoulder width, the later of which is lessened because he also has a bigger waist.
Easy win for Phil.
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I'm not trolling. It's cool if Dorian is your fav. bodybuider. That doesn't mean he is the best of all time.
one never said he was my favorite , two never said he was the best of all time , but put in on-stage with any Olympia winner at their best and he would win and three you're trolling ;)
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ND is the biggest schmoe on here imao. Dorian looks great from every angle? ??? ::)
Look at Phil's muscle bellies compared to Dorian, his detail in the arms and legs, Dorian had very little detail from the front. The only advantage Dorian has over Phil is dryness and shoulder width, the later of which is lessened because he also has a bigger waist.
Easy win for Phil.
I'm sure you believe that but hey you know what they say? you have to convince yourself before you can try and convince anyone else ;D
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almost matches him in muscular bulk? and you came to this conclusion how? Dorian at his best precontest in the B&W pics is 269lbs , on-stage in 1993 257lbs in 1993 , Phil 240lbs at 1" shorter , don't know what school of math you went to but you need to go back , Dorian was 242lbs in 1992 again what new level is Phil bringing?
the extra 20 lbs in Dorian's gut doesn't count
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one never said he was my favorite , two never said he was the best of all time , but put in on-stage with any Olympia winner at their best and he would win and three you're trolling ;)
That doesn't make any sense ??? Ronnie at his all-time best beats Dorian everytime. I know about the huge fucking Hulkster vs. ND thread already.
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That doesn't make any sense ??? Ronnie at his all-time best beats Dorian everytime. I know about the huge fucking Hulkster vs. ND thread already.
This is what everyone wants to believe, but what you guys don't take into account is that Yates won almost all Olympia's with perfect score so clearly the judging panel puts him ahead of everyone in any era, since his era was the toughest line up. Who cares if the IFBB judges are corrupt, who cares if they have an agenda or if they are blind, delusional or stupid, the bottom line is the IFBB judges would give Yates the win over any other Olympia winner.
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This is what everyone wants to believe, but what you guys don't take into account is that Yates won almost all Olympia's with perfect score so clearly the judging panel puts him ahead of everyone in any era, since his era was the toughest line up. Who cares if the IFBB judges are corrupt, who cares if they have an agenda or if they are blind, delusional or stupid, the bottom line is the IFBB judges would give Yates the win over any other Olympia winner.
I guess the bottom line is that Bodybuilding is subjective. My Fav. is Sean Ray. I think he should have won at least 2 Sandows. What do I know ::)
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I guess the bottom line is that Bodybuilding is subjective. My Fav. is Sean Ray. I think he should have won at least 2 Sandows. What do I know ::)
94, 97?
Bodybuilding judging is laughable.
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94, 97?
Bodybuilding judging is laughable.
It's the ultimate popularity contest. Sean was not very popular (he spoke his mind) therefore he never won. We need to start judging Sandows (aside from Ronnie, he was a true freak) by how friendly they were to the Weiders/Schmoes.
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yes i am a yates fan,but for awhile there i thought ronnie had surpassed him,now i am not so sure,the only times ronnie may have beat yates were the 99 olympia,the arnold that ronnie won and the first year ronnie supersized himself,i think 03,but that is only a maybe,first of all dorian had better calves,and a slightly better back,and even at his tightest and best conditioned,ronnie was never as hard or grainy as dorian,and dorian built his physique around the compulsory poses and was better at executing them.and noway does phil,jay dex,haneyetc even compare.
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yes i am a yates fan,but for awhile there i thought ronnie had surpassed him,now i am not so sure,the only times ronnie may have beat yates were the 99 olympia,the arnold that ronnie won and the first year ronnie supersized himself,i think 03,but that is only a maybe,first of all dorian had better calves,and a slightly better back,and even at his tightest and best conditioned,ronnie was never as hard or grainy as dorian,and dorian built his physique around the compulsory poses and was better at executing them.and noway does phil,jay dex,haneyetc even compare.
Ok. But we need to judge by they're all time bests. By your own admission, you give Ronnie the edge.
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i only said maybe,true ronnie was bigger,when he supersized and carried more muscle,but because of how hard dorian always was,i think the judges may have gave it ti yates,really too close too call.
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Dorian is not a bodybuilder.
You have guys who look like real statues and you have guys like Dorian who just look like mud pie.
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the extra 20 lbs in Dorian's gut doesn't count
LMFAO Yeah because Phil doesn't have one ::)
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This is what everyone wants to believe, but what you guys don't take into account is that Yates won almost all Olympia's with perfect score so clearly the judging panel puts him ahead of everyone in any era, since his era was the toughest line up. Who cares if the IFBB judges are corrupt, who cares if they have an agenda or if they are blind, delusional or stupid, the bottom line is the IFBB judges would give Yates the win over any other Olympia winner.
Great post
Dorian = pure winner , the guy NEVER placed below second place in a professional contest and won 15 straight contests
The odds favor Dorian , the criteria favor's Dorian , his record speaks for itself , Heath wins one Olympia and he already beats Dorian LMMFAO this is why I love GetBig ;D
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Great post
Dorian = pure winner , the guy NEVER placed below second place in a professional contest and won 15 straight contests
The odds favor Dorian , the criteria favor's Dorian , his record speaks for itself , Heath wins one Olympia and he already beats Dorian LMMFAO this is why I love GetBig ;D
and simple mathematics points to Yates' best beating (from a judges point of view) Ronnie's best, let me explains, everyone is in agreement a 93 Flex is better then a 98 Flex. Now Ronnie's best is said to be in 98, now a less then prime Flex beat Ronnie in the first round in 98, while Yates dominated every round in 93 against a better Flex, so a simple rational assessment shows that ifbb judges will take a 93 Dorian over a 98 Ronnie, not even up for debate, I know some people are very dumb here so they won't understand what I just wrote, so think it through and read it again.
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Great post
Dorian = pure winner , the guy NEVER placed below second place in a professional contest and won 15 straight contests
The odds favor Dorian , the criteria favor's Dorian , his record speaks for itself , Heath wins one Olympia and he already beats Dorian LMMFAO this is why I love GetBig ;D
No the schmoes favor Dorian. Ok he was good, was he a 6 time Mr. olympia? Hell no! Something was going on behind the scenes.
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Troll on brother !!
ND...besides conditioning and width, Phil rapes Dorian. Better arms, shoulders, and thighs. Dorian may have a better back, but Phil has better detail. I know you are as much of a guy of Dorian as Hulkster is of Ronnie, but get real. Dorian was amazing in 1992 and 1993. Phil would have smoked any version of Dorian after 1993. Not even close. Moreover, Phil has a smaller and tighter waist. His arms absolutely annihilate Dorian's. I am sorry but you live in a fantasy world. Dorian was not even close to being the best, or most dominant Olympian. Haney and Arnold crushed him.Ronnie in his later years dwarfed him. Dorian 1993 is a Titan, but that is the only version that would have a shot against a latter day Ronnie or Phil. Phil is young, give him five years and we will see where he is. Dorian looked like absolute shit in 1996 and 1997. If Nasser had a back even as good as Cutler's he would have smoked him.
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and simple mathematics points to Yates' best beating (from a judges point of view) Ronnie's best, let me explains, everyone is in agreement a 93 Flex is better then a 98 Flex. Now Ronnie's best is said to be in 98, now a less then prime Flex beat Ronnie in the first round in 98, while Yates dominated every round in 93 against a better Flex, so a simple rational assessment shows that ifbb judges will take a 93 Dorian over a 98 Ronnie, not even up for debate, I know some people are very dumb here so they won't understand what I just wrote, so think it through and read it again.
Exactly 1993 Flex's best year he concedes Dorian is unbeatable , 1998 Ronnie's best Olympia he just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Olympia's to this day !!!! 1999 Flex turns his back in Ronnie and says he's #1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie or Heath couldn't touch Yates no other Mr Olympia could
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Exactly 1993 Flex's best year he concedes Dorian is unbeatable , 1998 Ronnie's best Olympia he just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Olympia's to this day !!!! 1999 Flex turns his back in Ronnie and says he's #1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie or Heath couldn't touch Yates no other Mr Olympia could
Flex's 93 Arnold Classic Physique is arguably the best of all time regardless of competition. Dorian Doesn't even make the posedown with the 93 Flex.
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Exactly 1993 Flex's best year he concedes Dorian is unbeatable , 1998 Ronnie's best Olympia he just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Olympia's to this day !!!! 1999 Flex turns his back in Ronnie and says he's #1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie or Heath couldn't touch Yates no other Mr Olympia could
ND,
Now you lost it. Haney won bro. Check the scoreboard. 1991 Haney #1 and Dorian #2. Unbeatable my ass.
Nico
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ND...besides conditioning and width, Phil rapes Dorian. Better arms, shoulders, and thighs. Dorian may have a better back, but Phil has better detail. I know you are as much of a guy of Dorian as Hulkster is of Ronnie, but get real. Dorian was amazing in 1992 and 1993. Phil would have smoked any version of Dorian after 1993. Not even close. Moreover, Phil has a smaller and tighter waist. His arms absolutely annihilate Dorian's. I am sorry but you live in a fantasy world. Dorian was not even close to being the best, or most dominant Olympian. Haney and Arnold crushed him.Ronnie in his later years dwarfed him. Dorian 1993 is a Titan, but that is the only version that would have a shot against a latter day Ronnie or Phil. Phil is young, give him five years and we will see where he is. Dorian looked like absolute shit in 1996 and 1997. If Nasser had a back even as good as Cutler's he would have smoked him.
Have you learned nothing? you CAN NOT tally up ' better parts ' NOT How it works
It's better poses , Heath couldn't touch Dorian in any either lat spread , couldn't touch him in the ab-thigh , couldn't touch him from the side in ANY side pose , or 1/4 turns or standing relaxed from the front or back , can compete in the front & back double biceps pose , can compete and might beat Dorian in a most muscular , Dorian would pick him apart like everyone else from all angles
Phil is complete but still doesn't have everything Dorian has
Dorian was the most dominate Mr Olympia winner ever , this isn't open for debate Arnold might be close per sa but you'd have to factor in contests , competition , dominance , etc , Haney was but Haney came close a couple of times to losing to Labrada and lost the muscularity round to Dorian
If Nasser had a back as good as Cutler he would have smoked him ::) Nasser would have still sucked from the sides and if , if , if , if ::) If Dorian had a 27" waist and high peaked biceps blah , blah , blah , if is meaningless
poses win contests
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Have you learned nothing? you CAN NOT tally up ' better parts ' NOT How it works
It's better poses , Heath couldn't touch Dorian in any either lat spread , couldn't touch him in the ab-thigh , couldn't touch him from the side in ANY side pose , or 1/4 turns or standing relaxed from the front or back , can compete in the front & back double biceps pose , can compete and might beat Dorian in a most muscular , Dorian would pick him apart like everyone else from all angles
Phil is complete but still doesn't have everything Dorian has
Dorian was the most dominate Mr Olympia winner ever , this isn't open for debate Arnold might be close per sa but you'd have to factor in contests , competition , dominance , etc , Haney was but Haney came close a couple of times to losing to Labrada and lost the muscularity round to Dorian
If Nasser had a back as good as Cutler he would have smoked him ::) Nasser would have still sucked from the sides and if , if , if , if ::) If Dorian had a 27" waist and high peaked biceps blah , blah , blah , if is meaningless
poses win contests
Hi Dorian! Christ you are blind ;D Dorian should give you an autograph pic just for defending him so much!
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ND,
Now you lost it. Haney won bro. Check the scoreboard. 1991 Haney #1 and Dorian #2. Unbeatable my ass.
Nico
Haney won against Dorian competing in his 3rd ever pro contest , he even beat Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter and not close to his prime put it in context
Dorian 1993 would trample any version of Haney or Ronnie or Heath or Arnold
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Flex's 93 Arnold Classic Physique is arguably the best of all time regardless of competition. Dorian Doesn't even make the posedown with the 93 Flex.
As much of a fan of I am of Flex and the 93 Arnold Classic , he couldn't do it either he was the same Flex as he was at the Olympia with better conditioning and Dorian owns that department , nothing would change it's like Samir Bannout said about Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia , he would be ' First , Second and third ' ;)
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As much of a fan of I am of Flex and the 93 Arnold Classic , he couldn't do it either he was the same Flex as he was at the Olympia with better conditioning and Dorian owns that department , nothing would change it's like Samir Bannout said about Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia , he would be ' First , Second and third ' ;)
Look, most of us here know about bodybuilding. We need to start judging people by they're all time bests. 93 Dorian, 98 Ronnie, 93 Flex etc.... we need to narrow this shit down and decide who had the best all time appearance.
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Haney won against Dorian competing in his 3rd ever pro contest , he even beat Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter and not close to his prime put it in context
Dorian 1993 would trample any version of Haney or Ronnie or Heath or Arnold
Ok genius, tell me besides 1993 when Dorian was better. 1994 ... sucked. 1995 ... blocky and fuked arm. 1996 ... really blocky and fucked arm. 1997 ... really???? Ok my friend, name me when he was better than 1992 except 1993.
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Look, most of us here know about bodybuilding. We need to start judging people by they're all time bests. 93 Dorian, 98 Ronnie, 93 Flex etc.... we need to narrow this shit down and decide who had the best all time appearance.
Case closed ain't a bodybuilder past-or-present who can beat this ;)
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Ok genius, tell me besides 1993 when Dorian was better. 1994 ... sucked. 1995 ... blocky and fuked arm. 1996 ... really blocky and fucked arm. 1997 ... really???? Ok my friend, name me when he was better than 1992 except 1993.
1995 you can haggle about the bicep but that's knitpicking , Ronnie has fucked calves his entire career but that's okay? ??? 1996 he was blocky? WTF?
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Case closed ain't a bodybuilder past-or-present who can beat this ;)
How about this: I agree that this was Dorian's best ever condition. What happens if he goes against '98 Coleman, and '93 Flex? Three way tie? There is no way Dorian wins hands down. Remember, bodybuilding is subjective.
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How about this: I agree that this was Dorian's best ever condition. What happens if he goes against '98 Coleman, and '93 Flex? Three way tie? There is no way Dorian wins hands down. Remember, bodybuilding is subjective.
it's not subjective
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How about this: I agree that this was Dorian's best ever condition. What happens if he goes against '98 Coleman, and '93 Flex? Three way tie? There is no way Dorian wins hands down. Remember, bodybuilding is subjective.
My personal opinion is when you get to the level of Ronnie vs Dorian - its all preference.
You'll have the size with balance and conditioning crowd going for Dorian, and the detail, striation, small waist crowd going for Ronnie.
I think ND's thing, is that the things that are Ronnie's strengths - arent really judging criteria.
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How about this: I agree that this was Dorian's best ever condition. What happens if he goes against '98 Coleman, and '93 Flex? Three way tie? There is no way Dorian wins hands down. Remember, bodybuilding is subjective.
Argueing who people feel is better is going to get you 50 different results, everyone has a different opinion, my argument is simple, the ifbb judges will take Yates over Coleman. It doesn't matter if you or I or anyone will pick someone else, the judges verdict are in Yates wins cause he beat a Flex who was better then the Flex that went up against Coleman and he beat him in every round something Ronnie couldn't do at his best, cased closed. Now who would I want to look like? I am with you on this one, a 99 Shawn Ray ;)
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it's not subjective
Ok, An all time best Ronnie beats Dorian in biceps and waist. He is at least equal in every other body part to Dorian besides calfs. 2>1. Ronnie Wins. ;D
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great shot!
Here is an early shot that you will not have seen.
I took it!
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it's not subjective
ND,
You are fuking kidding me. Bodybuilding is not objective. It is based on subjective criteria based on rather loose guidelines put forth by the powers that be. If it were so objective, then you would only need one judge. Like gymnastics, it is based on the collective assumptions of a panel of judges who subjectively base their scores on criteria. In a race, the winner is obvious as he crosses the line first. In bodybuilding, depending on the judging panel, the outcome could change depending on what that panel feels is most important. It is subjective in every which way possible, although I agree the judges use a standard from which to base their criteria. However, it is evident based on multiple shows that the best looking or conditioned athlete does not always win. If it were so objective, there would be no debate.
Nico
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Lol, you show pics of Dorian before the 1993 Olympia. I am sure Hulkster can show pics of Ronnie when he was close to 300 pounds and absolutely slaughters that version of Dorian. Whatever dude, Dorian did not show up at the show in that condition. Moreover, black and white lighting only accentuated his shape and size. In color, the reality was far different ::) ::) ::). Dorian was a great champion and probably the third best Olympia ever...even ahead of Arnold and Oliva (although I am not sure about that). Ronnie and Haney had more wins. I still am waiting for you to tell me when Dorian was better besides 1993 compared to his 1992 condition ;). I like you ND but you have to admit you are an even bigger guy than Hulkster is.
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Dorian himself has admitted that he could not beat a prime ronnie coleman.
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I would never disrespect a 1993 Dorian. Hell, even a 1995 Dorian was in great shape, but he had that limb that was completely screwed. In essence, he was the dominant champion one year. He may have won six Olympia's, but please. Anyone who states his 1992, 1996, or 1997 were anything special are smoking crack or taking in the BS of ND. Dorian was amazing in 1993 and could hang with anyone. However, Ronnie was better ;D. Oh shit, I am being subjective. Oh well, it is a debate that will never be won. ND...more power to you. Hulkster, I agree with you. Regardless, there will be somebody in the next twenty years with Ronnie's size, Yate's conditioning, and Martinez's symmetry. Now that will be amazing to see.
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Only Ronnie in 2003 matched this for shock value, simple as..
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A bit unfair to compare Yates to that ugly, dwarven gargoyle. But yes, Branch in the 90's would struggle to crack the top 10 of most shows. Comparing him to Yates is laughable at best.
I agree!
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Case closed ain't a bodybuilder past-or-present who can beat this ;)
How many times have you fapped to these pics?
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LMFAO Yeah because Phil doesn't have one
do you really want to go there? Phil doesn't even come close to Dorian's cow belly
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Case closed ain't a bodybuilder past-or-present who can beat this
if we are bringing non-contest versions into this, then 02 BFTO Ronnie beats 93 pre-contest Dorian. He makes Dorian look like a block of cheese
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Zomg really? Again?
I thought this ended years ago.
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Zomg really? Again?
I thought this ended years ago.
This shit will never end LOL.
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it really is so hard to say which contests ronnie and yates were at their best,most people believe yates best was the 93 olympia,cause it was before the torn bicep,dorian sites 95 as his best year,97 he was his heaviest,but too many injuries,i always thought in 94 he had the best version of his back,its just that was the first year of the torn bicep.i hear a lot of people saying ronnies best was in 98,when it took the judges a little while to figure how good he was,reason for flex winning rd1.then a lot sight his arnold classic victory,and some the first year he supersized.which i think would be the only year he could have handled yates,just because of the sheer size and fact he was still ripped at that size,may have been too much for yates best,but still i only say maybe.
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Zomg really? Again?
I thought this ended years ago.
Ronnie at his best will always be better than Yates at his best.
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I like Yates 100x more than Ronnie, but any idiot knows that a 100% Coleman would have killed a 100% Dorian.
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I like Yates 100x more than Ronnie, but any idiot knows that a 100% Coleman would have killed a 100% Dorian.
Very good post. You can have favorites, but a smart person knows who really wins.
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the fact that ND has to resort to the same doctored black and white staged píctures of dorian to make a point speaks volumes. Dorian always looked flat on the stage and thats why ND rarely post a olympia shot of him. OTOH those stage pics of Heath totally smokes the competition and ND has no answer to them so back to the magazine pictures of Dorian.
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the fact that ND has to resort to the same doctored black and white staged píctures of dorian to make a point speaks volumes. Dorian always looked flat on the stage and thats why ND rarely post a olympia shot of him. OTOH those stage pics of Heath totally smokes the competition and ND has no answer to them so back to the magazine pictures of Dorian.
Dorian always looked flat? Somehow he managed to win 6 Olympias in the era containing the most competitive field.
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the fact that ND has to resort to the same doctored black and white staged píctures of dorian to make a point speaks volumes. Dorian always looked flat on the stage and thats why ND rarely post a olympia shot of him. OTOH those stage pics of Heath totally smokes the competition and ND has no answer to them so back to the magazine pictures of Dorian.
19 years later and those photos still cause fanboys to meltdown , speaks volumes on how ahead of the game Dorian was and how no one to this day has matched or surpassed him 8)
The reason I usually post the black & whites is , because many people feel that's the best Dorian ever looked in his career , and I agree. Dorian came to the conclusion that he was for all intents and purposes he was contest ready six weeks out and in some vain attempt to get better conditioned he would end up sacrificing muscle and coming into to small
Dorian absolutely dominated in competition at the Olympias even despite that now imagine if he came in like that? You don't like those pics because they show just how great Dorian was and how no one since has matched that combo , not Ronnie , not Jay , not Dexter , not Heath
I'll put Dorian's contest only pics up against ANY of them and he still wins , why? he meets ALL of the criteria better than any of them , watch & learn because Ronnie , Dex , Jay , or Heath don't compare ;)
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lol @ ' flat '
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he is flat compared to ronnie: thats for sure.
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Exactly 1993 Flex's best year he concedes Dorian is unbeatable , 1998 Ronnie's best Olympia he just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Olympia's to this day !!!! 1999 Flex turns his back in Ronnie and says he's #1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ronnie or Heath couldn't touch Yates no other Mr Olympia could
uh no.
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six years of ronnie vs dorian, and hulkster still believes contests and a legacy is decided on only one pose...the most muscular...how patethic.
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Very good post. You can have favorites, but a smart person knows who really wins.
Exactly. Dorian was clearly better.
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he is flat compared to ronnie: thats for sure.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=472465;image)
Coleman being completely owned in the calf department by the man with no number. ;D
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what did Flex bring that Phil hasn't already?
You can't be serious
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ND is the biggest schmoe on here imao. Dorian looks great from every angle? ??? ::)
Look at Phil's muscle bellies compared to Dorian, his detail in the arms and legs, Dorian had very little detail from the front. The only advantage Dorian has over Phil is dryness and shoulder width, the later of which is lessened because he also has a bigger waist.
Easy win for Phil.
In an earlier post you said by current judging criteria. That's important to remember
As I've said before
Get a time machine
Take heath to yates day
Or
Phil to dorians day
Yates wins.
All compounds and judging criteria being equal, yates wins
With regards to flex, heath is very impressive. But he has NOTHING on flex. Nothing
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six years of ronnie vs dorian, and hulkster still believes contests and a legacy is decided on only one pose...the most muscular...how patethic.
Excellent point
this is exactly why he thinks Ronnie is better ;D
Hulkster = stuck on stupid
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You can't be serious
Unfortunately he is :-\ poor kid , still doesn't get it.
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I guess the bottom line is that Bodybuilding is subjective. My Fav. is Sean Ray. I think he should have won at least 2 Sandows. What do I know ::)
Bingo, subjective
Imo, labrada, ray deserved sandows. Many disagree
I still sleep at night.
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What was the most competitive era in bbing?
Who dominated that era?
I'm not wearing underwear that says "NR 1 YATES FAN!", but you gotta give credit where its due...
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lol @ ' flat '
That is the most separated back in those shots that has ever stepped foot on stage
Dorian always looked flat? Somehow he managed to win 6 Olympias in the era containing the most competitive field.
And if these Ronnie nuthuggers would check the scoresheets, they would know that Dorian's 6 year reign was far more dominant based on judging scorecards. The Ronnie and Haney reign were a struggle for them, both losing rounds to multiple competitors.... Dorians reign was a flawless victory, never lost a single round.
Ronnie lost rounds to Flex, Kevin, and Jay, lost a show to Gunter (lol) and then lost to Jay.
Note,; both Kevin and Flex looked better while competing in Dorian's era and they both couldn't put a dent in Dorians armour. So you guys are entitled to your opinion and you can say Ronnie was better all you want but not one person on here can claim the judges would give Ronnie the win, based on the track record of the IFBB judging, without a doubt Dorian wins.
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You can't be serious
are you joking or are you for real?
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In an earlier post you said by current judging criteria. That's important to remember
As I've said before
Get a time machine
Take heath to yates day
Or
Phil to dorians day
Yates wins.
All compounds and judging criteria being equal, yates wins
With regards to flex, heath is very impressive. But he has NOTHING on flex. Nothing
Phil has more muscular bulk, better balance, and conditioning. Flex had super-heavyweight arms on a light heavyweight's torso. He also had practically zero calves. You can attribute this to high insertions, poor shape, etc - it doesn't matter. He was missing calves. As for conditioning, I'm surprised it even needs to be said. Phil's best conditioning > Flex's best conditioning.
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That is the most separated back in those shots that has ever stepped foot on stage
And if these Ronnie nuthuggers would check the scoresheets, they would know that Dorian's 6 year reign was far more dominant based on judging scorecards. The Ronnie and Haney reign were a struggle for them, both losing rounds to multiple competitors.... Dorians reign was a flawless victory, never lost a single round.
Ronnie lost rounds to Flex, Kevin, and Jay, lost a show to Gunter (lol) and then lost to Jay.
Note,; both Kevin and Flex looked better while competing in Dorian's era and they both couldn't put a dent in Dorians armour. So you guys are entitled to your opinion and you can say Ronnie was better all you want but not one person on here can claim the judges would give Ronnie the win, based on the track record of the IFBB judging, without a doubt Dorian wins.
QFT
People don't like them facts
Ronnie at his absolute best in 1998 just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Mr Olympias ever !! 3 fucking points and Flex was no where near his prime
Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia completely dominated a ' prime ' Flex who never looked as good as he did after 1993
2002 he almost lost to Kevin , 2001 he did lose the entire prejudging to Jay , 2002 SOS he loses to Gunther , 2004 only beat Jay by 3 points , dropped to 4th place in his last Olympia
" RONNIE IS UNTOUCHABLE " yeah sure he is ::)
Dorian in his first Olympia in only his third pro show placed second behind a career best Lee Haney and despite being 10lbs lighter BEAT Haney in the muscularity round
Dorian NEVER placed below second place in ANY professional contest
Won 15 out of 17 contests
And these idiots scratch their heads wondering how anyone could think Dorian could beat Ronnie LMFAO
The odds favor Dorian , the criteria favors Dorian , Ronnie at his absolute best would have a fuck of a time beating Dorian
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QFT
People don't like them facts
Ronnie at his absolute best in 1998 just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Mr Olympias ever !! 3 fucking points and Flex was no where near his prime
In all fairness, the judges did seem to overlook Ronnie initially. I know what the points indicated, but pose for pose, I thought Ronnie won the '98 Olympia quite handily.
Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia completely dominated a ' prime ' Flex who never looked as good as he did after 1993
2002 he almost lost to Kevin , 2001 he did lose the entire prejudging to Jay , 2002 SOS he loses to Gunther , 2004 only beat Jay by 3 points , dropped to 4th place in his last Olympia
All true, and that does shoot down the idea that Ronnie was untouchable.
But at his very BEST, I do think he was untouchable except for the likes of a career-best Dozzer. Between their respective best shapes, I think it could be a close contest. Dorian would be bigger and more dense, but Ronnie's smaller waist and natural width wouldn't make him look small next to Dorian. Conditioning-wise, both men would have cuts where the other didn't. Ronnie's calves would be a bit weak and Dorian's arms wouldn't "pop" like Ronnie's.
I think Dorian would win by virtue of taking more of the compulsories, but I also think a large contingent would scream bloody murder over Ronnie losing with his high-peaked biceps and good crab poses.
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QFT
People don't like them facts
Ronnie at his absolute best in 1998 just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth in one of the closest Mr Olympias ever !! 3 fucking points and Flex was no where near his prime
Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia completely dominated a ' prime ' Flex who never looked as good as he did after 1993
2002 he almost lost to Kevin , 2001 he did lose the entire prejudging to Jay , 2002 SOS he loses to Gunther , 2004 only beat Jay by 3 points , dropped to 4th place in his last Olympia
" RONNIE IS UNTOUCHABLE " yeah sure he is
Dorian in his first Olympia in only his third pro show placed second behind a career best Lee Haney and despite being 10lbs lighter BEAT Haney in the muscularity round
Dorian NEVER placed below second place in ANY professional contest
Won 15 out of 17 contests
And these idiots scratch their heads wondering how anyone could think Dorian could beat Ronnie LMFAO
The odds favor Dorian , the criteria favors Dorian , Ronnie at his absolute best would have a fuck of a time beating Dorian
Quoted for lies and misconception
the 93 Mr. Olympia was not Flex's prime. In fact, I have never seen any expert say that was the best version of Flex. It doesn't matter if it was the same year as the 93 Ironman and 93 ASC. Physiques can change from contest to contest. So you saying that Dorian "dominated a prime Flex" is just spewing nonsense. This also brings up a contradiction in your posts. You've said before that a prime Flex could beat Dorian. So if Flex was at his prime at the 93 Mr. Olympia, then how could he get "dominated" like you say?
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" RONNIE IS UNTOUCHABLE " yeah sure he is
that quote refers to Ronnie when he is at his best. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by referencing that quote and then bringing up years when Ronnie was off. Even your holy grail of bodybuilding, Flex magazine, has stated numerous times that a prime Ronnie had the best physique of all-time. There is no bodybuilder, past or present, that could have beaten him. So yes, he is untouchable ;)
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Quoted for lies and misconception
the 93 Mr. Olympia was not Flex's prime. In fact, I have never seen any expert say that was the best version of Flex. It doesn't matter if it was the same year as the 93 Ironman and 93 ASC. Physiques can change from contest to contest. So you saying that Dorian "dominated a prime Flex" is just spewing nonsense. This also brings up a contradiction in your posts. You've said before that a prime Flex could beat Dorian. So if Flex was at his prime at the 93 Mr. Olympia, then how could he get "dominated" like you say?
Can you be any more dense? notice the word ' prime ' in quotations , prime year 1993 ;)
And I did say a prime 1993 ASC Flex could bat Dorian and even then I doubt if what's the only difference between Flex at the Arnold and the Olympia was conditioning and even then he's still behind Yates
I noticed you didn't touch anything else because you can't ;)
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that quote refers to Ronnie when he is at his best. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by referencing that quote and then bringing up years when Ronnie was off. Even your holy grail of bodybuilding, Flex magazine, has stated numerous times that a prime Ronnie had the best physique of all-time. There is no bodybuilder, past or present, that could have beaten him. So yes, he is untouchable ;)
I actually was referring to that quote specifically , I was referring to all the fan boys ( yourself included ) hence it was all in CAPS
So Flex magazine said no bodybuilder could have beaten him and? Ronnie said he couldn't touch Dorian multiple times everyone has an opinion , facts are different and the facts Show Dorian was the most dominate Olympia winner and statistically he would beat Ronnie ;)
Fact Ronnie at his best Olympia 1998 just barely beat Flex , Fact Dorian dominated Flex always , therefore Dorian at his best would trample Ronnie at his , Fact Flex was better when he competed against Dorian
Ronnie never faced anyone as good as Dorian , oh wait he did and he was miles behind ;D
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Can you be any more dense? notice the word ' prime ' in quotations , prime year 1993
doesn't matter. Dishonesty is still dishonesty. Even if we play dumb and believe that you weren't trying to bolster your argument by using 93 Mr. Olympia and prime Flex in the same sentence, then who were you quoting? I don't know any expert that believes Flex was at his best at the 93 Mr. O
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I actually was referring to that quote specifically , I was referring to all the fan boys ( yourself included ) hence it was all in CAPS
So Flex magazine said no bodybuilder could have beaten him and? Ronnie said he couldn't touch Dorian multiple times everyone has an opinion , facts are different and the facts Show Dorian was the most dominate Olympia winner and statistically he would beat Ronnie
Fact Ronnie at his best Olympia 1998 just barely beat Flex , Fact Dorian dominated Flex always , therefore Dorian at his best would trample Ronnie at his , Fact Flex was better when he competed against Dorian
Ronnie never faced anyone as good as Dorian , oh wait he did and he was miles behind
I see 03 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC listed as Ronnie's peak, but I don't see 98 Mr Olympia
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455154;image)
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doesn't matter. Dishonesty is still dishonesty. Even if we play dumb and believe that you weren't trying to bolster your argument by using 93 Mr. Olympia and prime Flex in the same sentence, then who were you quoting? I don't know any expert that believes Flex was at his best at the 93 Mr. O
LMFAO dishonesty kid go away come back when you have something fan boy
I know flex wasn't his best at the Olympia and typed it many times , stop fishing because you have nothing else
Ronnie would be lucky to beat Dorian , and hard pressed
Flex at near his career best places a very distant second to Dorian in 1993 and says Dorian is ' Unbeatable '
Flex past his prime places second behind Ronnie at what fan boys call his best ever in 1999 Flex turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number 1 , Shawn Ray agrees lol
This is supposed to beat Dorian?
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I see 03 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC listed as Ronnie's peak, but I don't see 98 Mr Olympia
Oh now we're gonna play stupid? again Flex has their opinion , Ronnie his own how about the multiple times he said 1998 was his best because , how about Joe Weider? wanna post that quote? ;) Shawn Perine? I can continue but you know better
lol 2003 his best ;D yeah buddy
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LMFAO dishonesty kid go away come back when you have something fan boy
adults resort to petty insults in arguments when they are intellectually trumped ;)
Ronnie would be lucky to beat Dorian , and hard pressed
too bad there is not a single credible bodybuilding expert who shares your opinion
Flex at near his career best places a very distant second to Dorian in 1993 and says Dorian is ' Unbeatable '
Flex past his prime places second behind Ronnie at what fan boys call his best ever in 1999 Flex turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number 1 , Shawn Ray agrees lol
lol, you're quoting the same guy who had this to say about Ronnie:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
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Oh now we're gonna play stupid? again Flex has their opinion , Ronnie his own how about the multiple times he said 1998 was his best because , how about Joe Weider? wanna post that quote? Shawn Perine? I can continue but you know better
funny how the guys you mentioned said Ronnie has the best physique ever ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived. "
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adults resort to petty insults in arguments when they are intellectually trumped ;)
too bad there is not a single credible bodybuilding expert who shares your opinion
lol, you're quoting the same guy who had this to say about Ronnie:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
adults resort to petty insults in arguments when they are intellectually trumped ;)
Says the guy who called someone a ' dirty Mexican ' how soon we forget and there is NO argument just you trolling in another Dorian Yates thread , still trying to prove Ronnie really was better
too bad there is not a single credible bodybuilding expert who shares your opinion
key word my opinion , don't need to follow the masses I think for myself
lol, you're quoting the same guy who had this to say about Ronnie:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
He was technically correct because Dorian never competed at such a heavy weight , has nothing to do with if Dorian could beat him , Dorian at his best would make Ronnie 2003 look soft , soggy and a mismatched collection of parts , Ronnie 1998/2001 stands more of chance than that wreck
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funny how the guys you mentioned said Ronnie has the best physique ever ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived. "
This is your quote Neo I see 03 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC listed as Ronnie's peak, but I don't see 98 Mr Olympia
And then what do you do? post a quote showing 1998 as the best Ronnie looked ;) nice backfire ;D
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
You always posted this quote and I always took it on faith it was accurate but for some odd reason I decided to follow the link and boy you played with that quote to make appear they were saying Ronnie 2001 is the ' best ever ' and ' unbeatable ' the quote how you rearranged it to fit your point of view
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Now how the quote actually appears
We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever, unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?
They were NOT talking about the best physique ever in the history of bodybuilding just his personal best physique and it was ' unbeatable ' when compared to the guys who he was competing with.
In context they were mentioning his physique and how he looked better lighter , you deliberately took it out of context to fit your agenda lol I'm glad you were stupid enough to post the link ;D
your quote adults resort to petty insults in arguments when they are intellectually trumped
dummies who rearrange quotes to try and prove their point of view concede that they are ' intellectually trumped ' LMFAO
Being a predictable dolt you are you'll look for an escape in semantics and try and divert your stupidity in word games but let me spare you don't waste your breath ;)
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived. "
Every single quote YOU now post is suspect because of your shenanigans above , it's a shame multiple members of Team Coleman have been reduced to using ' enhanced ' photos , and outright making up quotes lol long history of trying anything you can to prove somehow Ronnie really was better lol
Now entertaining that the quote is accurate , Perine is technically correct , Ronnie is arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived. He has the most career wins and tied Haney for 8 straight Sandows , I don't have a problem with that. Has absolutely nothing to do with if Ronnie could beat Dorian at their respective bests ;)
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And if these Ronnie nuthuggers would check the scoresheets, they would know that Dorian's 6 year reign was far more dominant based on judging scorecards. The Ronnie and Haney reign were a struggle for them, both losing rounds to multiple competitors.... Dorians reign was a flawless victory, never lost a single round.
problem is, if you looked up from the scoresheets to the STAGE, you would see that dorian was given multiple gifts on many occasions, should have lost in 94 for sure, arguably in 96 and 97 etc.
it is a flawless demonstration of how poor the judging was implemented.
flawless victor in the symetry rounds: hahahaa what a joke: ::)
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problem is, if you looked up from the scoresheets to the STAGE, you would see that dorian was given multiple gifts on many occasions, should have lost in 94 for sure, arguably in 96 and 97 etc.
it is a flawless demonstration of how poor the judging was implemented.
flawless victor in the symetry rounds: hahahaa what a joke: ::)
Thanks again for proving you don't know how contests are judged , there is NO ' symmetry ' round all rounds are physique rounds , and Dorian could lost the poses where his affected biceps is shown and still win the contest because the high & low scores are tossed out ! he could lose a couple of mandatory poses and still win the contest
after all these years you still don't get how it works :-\
Ronnie when you look at the scorecards and the stage didn't dominate like Dorian did it's a fact kid
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doesn't matter. Dishonesty is still dishonesty. Even if we play dumb and believe that you weren't trying to bolster your argument by using 93 Mr. Olympia and prime Flex in the same sentence, then who were you quoting? I don't know any expert that believes Flex was at his best at the 93 Mr. O
Bro who the fuck gives a shit if Flex was at his best at the 93 O, why the fuck do you care to argue that, no one cares if Flex was better at the ac in 93 or at the O in 93, THE MAIN POINT IS AND THE ONLY POINT IS THAT FLEX WAS BETTER AT THE 93 O VS THE 98 O, That's all that matters and that is enough to prove that Dorian 93 would beat 98 Ronnie
You sound stupid arguing a point that has nothing to do with the main argument, wooooooooooooooooooooooo shhh
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/end life.
I suggest every person posting here, that contributed to the original "Hulkster Truce Thread", do the same.
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Says the guy who called someone a ' dirty Mexican ' how soon we forget and there is NO argument just you trolling in another Dorian Yates thread , still trying to prove Ronnie really was better
lol, show me where I said that. Even if I did call someone that, it was a long time ago and I've evolved beyond that. Clearly you haven't matured hence why you still feel the need to use petty insults in an argument
key word my opinion , don't need to follow the masses I think for myself
sorry brah, but your opinion means crap. Not only is it contradicted by visual evidence but the experts who have seen BOTH men at their prime agree that Ronnie > Dorian.
He was technically correct because Dorian never competed at such a heavy weight , has nothing to do with if Dorian could beat him , Dorian at his best would make Ronnie 2003 look soft , soggy and a mismatched collection of parts , Ronnie 1998/2001 stands more of chance than that wreck
Flex called Ronnie the biggest and most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. If that wasn't explicit enough for you, Flex goes on to call Ronnie the greatest Mr. Olympia in history (i.e. better than Dorian)
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You always posted this quote and I always took it on faith it was accurate but for some odd reason I decided to follow the link and boy you played with that quote to make appear they were saying Ronnie 2001 is the ' best ever ' and ' unbeatable ' the quote how you rearranged it to fit your point of view
Now how the quote actually appears
We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever, unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?
They were NOT talking about the best physique ever in the history of bodybuilding just his personal best physique and it was ' unbeatable ' when compared to the guys who he was competing with.
In context they were mentioning his physique and how he looked better lighter , you deliberately took it out of context to fit your agenda lol I'm glad you were stupid enough to post the link
epic reading comprehension. They clearly refer to Ronnie's 01 ASC physique as the best ever. This is corroborated by individual quotes from the members of Team Flex. lol @ you trying to twist the quote around to suit your agenda
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
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lol, show me where I said that. Even if I did call someone that, it was a long time ago and I've evolved beyond that. Clearly you haven't matured hence why you still feel the need to use petty insults in an argument
sorry brah, but your opinion means crap. Not only is it contradicted by visual evidence but the experts who have seen BOTH men at their prime agree that Ronnie > Dorian.
Flex called Ronnie the biggest and most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. If that wasn't explicit enough for you, Flex goes on to call Ronnie the greatest Mr. Olympia in history (i.e. better than Dorian)
lol, show me where I said that. Even if I did call someone that, it was a long time ago and I've evolved beyond that. Clearly you haven't matured hence why you still feel the need to use petty insults in an argument
" I've evolved " give me a fucking break ::) now Neo wants to act like an adult after being one of the biggest shit talkers in these ' debates ' kid respect is earned and you haven't earned boy ;)
sorry brah, but your opinion means crap. Not only is it contradicted by visual evidence but the experts who have seen BOTH men at their prime agree that Ronnie > Dorian.
In the scheme of things my opinion does mean crap and I know this on Getbig my opinion means about as much however to YOU my opinion means a LOT because you follow me and the word Dorian Yates around trying prove me and my opinion wrong 8) and if you mean by ' visual evidence ' all of the enhanced pics Team Coleman put forth and the manipulated quotes you guys tried to pass off as ' experts who agree ' then I'm sure you believe that ;D put in the end people have opinions and NONE of them matter except 13 judges and until you have that , you don't have nothing ;)
Flex called Ronnie the biggest and most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. If that wasn't explicit enough for you, Flex goes on to call Ronnie the greatest Mr. Olympia in history (i.e. better than Dorian)
See above on opinions and Flex also said Ronnie was leading the prejudging after the 2007 Mr Olympia which he way behind , Flex also said if he showed up to the 1998 Mr Olympia in the shape he did of the 1998 ASC he would have easily beaten Ronnie , I'm sure you agree with Flex there as well lmfao , he has an opinion which you're trying to pass off as fact and it's not
You keep typing it's been confirmed by the experts and the visual evidence that Ronnie beats Dorian and yet here you still are trying to prove it true lol years latter still trying to convince people in another Dorian Yates thread that Ronnie really is better lmfao keep trying kid
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epic reading comprehension. They clearly refer to Ronnie's 01 ASC physique as the best ever. This is corroborated by individual quotes from the members of Team Flex. lol @ you trying to twist the quote around to suit your agenda
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
epic reading comprehension. They clearly refer to Ronnie's 01 ASC physique as the best ever. This is corroborated by individual quotes from the members of Team Flex. lol @ you trying to twist the quote around to suit your agenda
You took it out of context , has nothing to do with reading comprehension. they refer to Ronnie's physique at the 01 as HIS best ever ;)
lol @ you trying to twist the quote around to suit your agenda
this is why you will never be taken seriously , project much? :-\
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Another quote you took out of context to try and twist it to suit your point of view lol just when I thought you couldn't be any more dumb , you don't disappoint
The actually quote
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Oppps forgot tp mention Dorian didn't you? ;) and two this quote has been amended oppss forgot to post that one huh?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
That's been amended bro you can stop using it ;)
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Oppsss another quote Neo took out of context LMFAO your stupidity knows no bounds , here is the original
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
Oh noes Neo omitted the part where he says ' Except by Dorian Yates ' LMFAO I honestly love when you try and come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about and then you get bashed over the head and reminded how stupid you are ;D
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
I love the fact that you glossed over that this was posed as a question hence the question mark at the end. and to answer the question , Yes. Dorian Yates at the 1993 and 1995 Mr Olympias displayed a more muscular , more shredded , higher-quality physique
Now we are we? Neo in yet another Dorian Yates thread manipulating quotes , taking them out of context trying in some cheap attempt to prove Ronnie really was better lol the more things change the more the remain the same. You're a joke kid you can't be taken seriously only laughed at and ridiculed when you're reduced to this nonsense. Come back when you wanna get bitch slapped some more ;)
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Bro who the fuck gives a shit if Flex was at his best at the 93 O, why the fuck do you care to argue that, no one cares if Flex was better at the ac in 93 or at the O in 93, THE MAIN POINT IS AND THE ONLY POINT IS THAT FLEX WAS BETTER AT THE 93 O VS THE 98 O, That's all that matters and that is enough to prove that Dorian 93 would beat 98 Ronnie
You sound stupid arguing a point that has nothing to do with the main argument, wooooooooooooooooooooooo shhh
Exactly , typical Neo though not to smart this one , he likes to try and act the role put he's not to bright.
And ' dishonesty is dishonesty ' when I just busted his stupid ass for taking two quotes out of context
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/end life.
I suggest every person posting here, that contributed to the original "Hulkster Truce Thread", do the same.
Actually it's a Dorian Yates thread , every Ronnie fan-boy needs to stay out. This is exactly why I say they honestly don't think Ronnie is better if that were the case they wouldn't be in here years latter trying to prove it
I walked away from that Truce thread years ago and like lost little puppies they all followed me and the name Dorian Yates
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" I've evolved " give me a fucking break now Neo wants to act like an adult after being one of the biggest shit talkers in these ' debates ' kid respect is earned and you haven't earned boy
lol, keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. That's all the ammo you have. How sad that you haven't moved on from the past. It's been years since I used to post regularly in the Truce thread. I've grown up since then, but sadly you are still the same mental midget that used to post in there.
In the scheme of things my opinion does mean crap and I know this on Getbig my opinion means about as much however to YOU my opinion means a LOT because you follow me and the word Dorian Yates around trying prove me and my opinion wrong and if you mean by ' visual evidence ' all of the enhanced pics Team Coleman put forth and the manipulated quotes you guys tried to pass off as ' experts who agree ' then I'm sure you believe that put in the end people have opinions and NONE of them matter except 13 judges and until you have that , you don't have nothing
epic delusions of self-grandeur. I didn't even post on GetBig for almost a year. Ask Iceman.
See above on opinions and Flex also said Ronnie was leading the prejudging after the 2007 Mr Olympia which he way behind , Flex also said if he showed up to the 1998 Mr Olympia in the shape he did of the 1998 ASC he would have easily beaten Ronnie , I'm sure you agree with Flex there as well lmfao , he has an opinion which you're trying to pass off as fact and it's not
You keep typing it's been confirmed by the experts and the visual evidence that Ronnie beats Dorian and yet here you still are trying to prove it true lol years latter still trying to convince people in another Dorian Yates thread that Ronnie really is better lmfao keep trying kid
you're the one who brought up Flex in this thread like his opinion mattered. Now you're trying to discredit the same guy b/c your tactic backfired on you? Lmao
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
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lol, keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. That's all the ammo you have. How sad that you haven't moved on from the past. It's been years since I used to post regularly in the Truce thread. I've grown up since then, but sadly you are still the same mental midget that used to post in there.
epic delusions of self-grandeur. I didn't even post on GetBig for almost a year. Ask Iceman.
you're the one who brought up Flex in this thread like his opinion mattered. Now you're trying to discredit the same guy b/c your tactic backfired on you? Lmao
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
lol, keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. That's all the ammo you have. How sad that you haven't moved on from the past. It's been years since I used to post regularly in the Truce thread. I've grown up since then, but sadly you are still the same mental midget that used to post in there.
You should really think before you type. irony alert !!! keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago.
who is in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie is better? ' How sad that you haven't moved on from the past. ' ;) ' I've grown up since then ' editing quotes sure you have ::)
epic delusions of self-grandeur. I didn't even post on GetBig for almost a year. Ask Iceman.
And? Where are you now? ;) thanks again for proving me right
you're the one who brought up Flex in this thread like his opinion mattered. Now you're trying to discredit the same guy b/c your tactic backfired on you? Lmao
I pointed out the difference between Flex knowing he couldn't beat Dorian and him knowing he could with Ronnie , Flex has an opinion and he's entitled to it , he's no judge again Neo when you have 13 judges agreeing Ronnie is better the only thing you have is opinions not facts ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
See above , also see when Flex said he could easily beat Ronnie 1998 if he showed up like he did at that years ASC , I'm sure you agree with Flex there , NO in fact it was you who claimed that if you agree with one quote in some dumb way you're forced to agree with them all ::)
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You took it out of context , has nothing to do with reading comprehension. they refer to Ronnie's physique at the 01 as HIS best ever
this is why you will never be taken seriously , project much?
Another quote you took out of context to try and twist it to suit your point of view lol just when I thought you couldn't be any more dumb , you don't disappoint
The actually quote
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Oppps forgot tp mention Dorian didn't you? and two this quote has been amended oppss forgot to post that one huh?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
That's been amended bro you can stop using it
Oppsss another quote Neo took out of context LMFAO your stupidity knows no bounds , here is the original
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
Oh noes Neo omitted the part where he says ' Except by Dorian Yates ' LMFAO I honestly love when you try and come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about and then you get bashed over the head and reminded how stupid you are
I love the fact that you glossed over that this was posed as a question hence the question mark at the end. and to answer the question , Yes. Dorian Yates at the 1993 and 1995 Mr Olympias displayed a more muscular , more shredded , higher-quality physique
Now we are we? Neo in yet another Dorian Yates thread manipulating quotes , taking them out of context trying in some cheap attempt to prove Ronnie really was better lol the more things change the more the remain the same. You're a joke kid you can't be taken seriously only laughed at and ridiculed when you're reduced to this nonsense. Come back when you wanna get bitch slapped some more
lol @ you trying to twist the quotes around to suit your agenda
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
here are more quotes:
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
and the final nail in the coffin:
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
notice they all say "the best ever?" They don't say "his best ever" ;)
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lol @ you trying to twist the quote around to suit your agenda
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
here are more quotes:
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
and the final nail in the coffin:
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
notice they all say "the best ever?" They don't say "his best ever," which would support your claim they were only talking about Ronnie's personal best instead of the best physique of all-time. You lose ;)
I expected as much
you played you hand kid like Hulkster and his worked pics you're done.
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I expected as much
you played you hand kid like Hulkster and his worked pics you're done.
well done. You just check mated yourself in this thread by playing right into the quote game
brb, saying Dorian would beat Ronnie b/c Flex thinks he should have won in 99
brb, ignoring that Flex also thinks 03 Ronnie had the best physique ever
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well done. You just check mated yourself in this thread by playing right into the quote game
:o
Oh the old Neo was just playing all along ploy , never seen that before.
Neo go away you're boring and dumb.
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Neo go away you're boring and dumb.
ND, is this you? You're certainly acting like a child throwing a tantrum
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ND, is this you? You're certainly acting like a child throwing a tantrum
Could be worse
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Could be worse
oh I agree ;)
delete your account bro, that is 95
You wanna bet your account?
yes.
page 55 muscle and fitness jan 1996. 1995 mr o converage. pic is top left of the page.
hi nd :o
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oh I agree ;)
That's worse than calling someone a racial slur? ??? oh I see you just looking for some way to slight me , and you have grown up have you? ;)
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That's worse than calling someone a racial slur? oh I see you just looking for some way to slight me , and you have grown up have you?
what good is a man who doesn't keep his word? Where I'm from, we call them "women." I've matured since the Truce thread but a dishonest man will always be dishonest as you have proven
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what good is a man who doesn't keep his word? I've matured since the Truce thread but a dishonest man will always be dishonest as you have proven
Your quote and this is why you keep getting called stupid ;) keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago.
and I asked him if he wanted me to delete my account dummy and his response ;)
nd, im not asking you to delete yourself, but the fact is you are incorrect on this one.
Oppppsssss forgot that one too huh Neo? ;)
and as usual you didn't answer the question is that as bad as calling someone a racial slur? ??? is it?
Wanna dig your hole deeper kid? you're not in my league boy and never will be 8)
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what good is a man who doesn't keep his word? Where I'm from, we call them "women." I've matured since the Truce thread but a dishonest man will always be dishonest as you have proven
Awwww keep reworking your posts huh? a dishonest man will always be dishonest? says the guy that just reworked multiple quotes lol omitted parts to make them say what he wanted lmfao
I've matured since the Truce thread , yet I'm still here trying to prove Ronnie is better in an unrelated thread
types keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. and then proceeds to bring up stuff that happened years ago , what a sap
kid you're to simple
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ND plays the quote game - backfires
ND accuses me of following him around - backfires
ND brings up stuff from the past - backfires
keep trying to one-up me. It will always blow up in your face b/c I'm one step ahead of you ;)
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ND plays the quote game - backfires
ND accuses me of following him around - backfires
ND brings up stuff from the past - backfires
keep trying to one-up me. It will always blow up in your face b/c I'm one step ahead of you ;)
Neo tampered with quotes
Neo is in another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie really is better
Neo cries don't bring up the past and then quotes threads from 07
Neo where are you? yeah I thought so ;)
keep proving me right
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We have already established without a shadow (no pun intended) that the judges would pick a 93 yates over a 98 Coleman. Now the question is would a 93 runner-up Flex wheeler beat a 98 Coleman in the judges eyes.
I think everything points to Flex winning, see in 98 he smoked Ronnie in the first round then lost by only a margin, so the judges had it pretty damn close and no one on the planet has ever argued that Flex looked better in 98 then in 93, so we can not ignor the fact that the judges would have gave it to Flex if he was only a little better, hence a 93 Flex beats a 98 Ronnie.
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We have already established without a shadow (no pun intended) that the judges would pick a 93 yates over a 98 Coleman. Now the question is would a 93 runner-up Flex wheeler beat a 98 Coleman in the judges eyes.
I think everything points to Flex winning, see in 98 he smoked Ronnie in the first round then lost by only a margin, so the judges had it pretty damn close and no one on the planet has ever argued that Flex looked better in 98 then in 93, so we can not ignor the fact that the judges would have gave it to Flex if he was only a little better, hence a 93 Flex beats a 98 Ronnie.
I agree and if anything these contests would be close and those bitch-tits would hurt Ronnie
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oh I agree ;)
this belongs in the ownings thread.
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this belongs in the ownings thread.
;D
You got me good
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Another good quality pic of the Shadow. Who wouldn't want to have this kind of arm development?
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;)
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;D
You got me good
you asked for it
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We have already established without a shadow (no pun intended) that the judges would pick a 93 yates over a 98 Coleman. Now the question is would a 93 runner-up Flex wheeler beat a 98 Coleman in the judges eyes.
I think everything points to Flex winning, see in 98 he smoked Ronnie in the first round then lost by only a margin, so the judges had it pretty damn close and no one on the planet has ever argued that Flex looked better in 98 then in 93, so we can not ignor the fact that the judges would have gave it to Flex if he was only a little better, hence a 93 Flex beats a 98 Ronnie.
except that you can't look at the scorecard alone to try and see how close the 1 and 2 competitors were.
Ronnie was overlooked in the first round. case in point: ronnie was not called in the first callout.
yet still eventually went on to win the contest.
the last time the eventual winner was not called out in the opening call out was in 1984.
think about it.
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see in 98 he smoked Ronnie in the first round
does this look like he smoked him? lol
its funny: ND and co frequently point to quotes or to scorecards to prove their argument.
problem is, whats actually onstage completely DISproves their argument..
they point to the judging as proof, yet on stage reality shows how flawed the judging actually was.
they point to flawed evidence as evidence in the first place ::)
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as you can see, ronnie destroyed the oily flex by a wide margin.
yet the scorecards on paper show it being super close by only a few points.
lesson for the day: whats on stage always trumps bad judging.
stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there 8)
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We have already established without a shadow (no pun intended) that the judges would pick a 93 yates over a 98 Coleman. Now the question is would a 93 runner-up Flex wheeler beat a 98 Coleman in the judges eyes.
I think everything points to Flex winning, see in 98 he smoked Ronnie in the first round then lost by only a margin, so the judges had it pretty damn close and no one on the planet has ever argued that Flex looked better in 98 then in 93, so we can not ignor the fact that the judges would have gave it to Flex if he was only a little better, hence a 93 Flex beats a 98 Ronnie.
93 was Dorian, the incumbent champ,(he came in as the favorite)...coming in looking great and winning easily
98 was wide open, and if anything Flex was the favorite.., like Hulkster just said Ronnie wasn't even in the first callout...it was anybody's show and he earned the win fair and square.
You can't connect all judges scorecards in both contests as a whole. The environment of the contets were completely different
If anything it shows how political it is, because Flex was being touted as the heir apparent, and true to form the judges were giving him the benefit of the doubt early on... until it became impossible to ignore what Ronnie brought.
That's the neat trick of BBing judges, as long as the guy holds up his end and comes in in good shape, they can place him in the top slot..because the very nature of judging is subjective..it has JUDGES.
But if a dude comes in at 90% and then one of his main threats comes into the show looking unreal,ans is vastly superior Then it's.... "sorry Flex, you fucked up, and now he's the new man..shoulda dieted harder"
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Pro judging is the biggest joke there is, and yes ND....i know how it works.
They have a set of standards that lay out in fine detail what they are looking for in a competitor, . it's done on purpose, so the can justify any decision with very little scrutiny. They talk about muscular size, proportion, symmetry , balance, clear separation of the muscle groups and definition, and then completely ignore it and every round is scored the same, and award a guy the top prize who has a missing bicep, big stomach and thighs that look different from each other, and have very little in the way of ANY of those criteria, they were just big and hard....and his calves were TOO big to top it off.
his whole lower body fits NONE of the criteria, doesn't look good in most of the poses, same goes for one of his arms
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Great physique, small chest no?
Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.
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93 was Dorian, the incumbent champ,(he came in as the favorite)...coming in looking great and winning easily
98 was wide open, and if anything Flex was the favorite.., like Hulkster just said Ronnie wasn't even in the first callout...it was anybody's show and he earned the win fair and square.
You can't connect all judges scorecards in both contests as a whole. The environment of the contets were completely different
If anything it shows how political it is, because Flex was being touted as the heir apparent, and true to form the judges were giving him the benefit of the doubt early on... until it became impossible to ignore what Ronnie brought.
That's the neat trick of BBing judges, as long as the guy holds up his end and comes in in good shape, they can place him in the top slot..because the very nature of judging is subjective..it has JUDGES.
But if a dude comes in at 90% and then one of his main threats comes into the show looking unreal,ans is vastly superior Then it's.... "sorry Flex, you fucked up, and now he's the new man..shoulda dieted harder"
This is true. Flex had all the momentum, so why didn't he win? Ronnie wasn't in the first call-out so why didn't he come 4th? I think maybe because after a while it was pretty obvious Flex's hams and glutes were nowhere near what they needed to be, and his disappearing lat spread next to Ronnie just wasn't going to cut it.
IMO Ronnie has a whole extra layer of striations on pretty much every muscle group which Flex doesn't have, which to me makes him clearly more impressive and more conditioned looking, but I don't know how the judges would have judged that at the time, whether they would have cared, with hindsight it certainly seems obvious Ronnie had extra bits on his back noone else had, and Flex was all arms, delts, back detail and slim waist, which ROnnie had too at the time. We now know at some point even Flex's arms and delts became fake, so yes hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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except that you can't look at the scorecard alone to try and see how close the 1 and 2 competitors were.
Ronnie was overlooked in the first round. case in point: ronnie was not called in the first callout.
yet still eventually went on to win the contest.
the last time the eventual winner was not called out in the opening call out was in 1984.
think about it.
Ronnie was not overlooked in the first round , Ronnie was NOT overlooked at all just because he wasn't in the first round callout doesn't mean he was overlooked in the entire round . he was obviously not overlooked if he won the contest.
Ronnie was overlooked in the entire round because he wasn't in the first callout of that round , sound logic ::) he was in the second callout and many subsequent to that , you just think he dominated and should have won the entire round and he didn't.
Ronnie was called out NINE times in the first round how the fuck was he overlooked? ??? this is you once again not having a clue on how contests are judged and basing everything off of what you like.
Not getting called out in the first callout has absolutely NOTHING to do with being overlooked in an entire round.
The Comparisons
Round One: Symmetry
Sonbaty-Wheeler-Levrone
Coleman-Ray-Priest
Flex-Dillett-Ray
Ray-Coleman-Sonbaty
Ray-Coleman-Dillett
Priest-Levrone-Wheeler
Matarazzo-Cormier-Fux
Coleman-Sonbaty-Levrone
Coleman-Wheeler-Priest
Coleman-Sonbaty-Wheeler
Coleman-Ray-Wheeler
Cormier-Taylor-Moya
Sarcev-Taylor-Moya
Sarcev-Charles-Baker
Groulx-Schlierkamp-Haidar
Priest-Ray-Levrone
Dillett-Ray-Levrone
Dillett-Cormier-Fux
Priest-Cormier-Sarcev
Coleman-Ray-Levrone
Ray-Wheeler-Sonbaty
Levrone-Coleman-Dillett
Yeah overlooked ::)
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as you can see, ronnie destroyed the oily flex by a wide margin.
yet the scorecards on paper show it being super close by only a few points.
lesson for the day: whats on stage always trumps bad judging.
stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there 8)
LMFAO stay tuned for bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster where he claims Ronnie was overlooked in the first round by having NINE-FUCKING-CALLOUTS lmmfao
You consistently prove how stupid you are with each post. Ronnie wasn't in the first callout , but the second and eight more times subsequent to that in the first round but somehow Ronnie was ' overlooked ' LMFAO
stay tuned for Hulkster showing how fucking stupid he is in yet another Dorian Yates thread ;D
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does this look like he smoked him? lol
its funny: ND and co frequently point to quotes or to scorecards to prove their argument.
problem is, whats actually onstage completely DISproves their argument..
they point to the judging as proof, yet on stage reality shows how flawed the judging actually was.
they point to flawed evidence as evidence in the first place ::)
Hulkster honestly you're beyond fucking stupid and I'm sorry there is just NO way to be kind about this.
He said Flex smoked him in the first round , Mr-stay-tuned-for-more-bodybuilding-lessons what do you proceed to post pics from the SECOND ROUND ;)
first round , symmetry round , standing relaxed from the front/back 1/4 turns
second round muscularity round , mandatory poses , front double biceps
POINT PROVEN yet again YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ON HOW CONTESTS ARE JUDGED dummy
stay tuned for Hulkster to completely embarrass himself trying to look like he knows what he's talking about.
Hulkster you and stupid Neo should learn by now stop trying to come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about because I will remind you of just how clueless you are.
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Not getting called out in the first callout has absolutely NOTHING to do with being overlooked in an entire round.
well, the experts at Flex magazine disagree with you.
in an article and interview with ronnie leading up to the 99 olympia they specifically highlighted this fact and how he was overlooked early on in the 98 contest.
thats where the stat about 1984 came from.
it was a big deal.
you disagree. experts own you.
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Hulkster honestly you're beyond fucking stupid and I'm sorry there is just NO way to be kind about this.
He said Flex smoked him in the first round , Mr-stay-tuned-for-more-bodybuilding-lessons what do you proceed to post pics from the SECOND ROUND ;)
first round , symmetry round , standing relaxed from the front/back 1/4 turns
second round muscularity round , mandatory poses , front double biceps
POINT PROVEN yet again YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ON HOW CONTESTS ARE JUDGED dummy
stay tuned for Hulkster to completely embarrass himself trying to look like he knows what he's talking about.
Hulkster you and stupid Neo should learn by now stop trying to come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about because I will remind you of just how clueless you are.
That is pretty fucking funny.
Hulkster posts pics from the 2nd round to try and prove that Flex didnt smoke him in the 1st round.
Epic. Fail.
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oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.
yet the scorecards show differently.
thats the point.
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oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.
yet the scorecards show differently.
thats the point.
Smoked him according to how YOU see the pictures.
Obviously the judges disagreed with you.
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Ronnie didn't smoke Flex in 98 at all. I was at the show and was sitting very close and it was very close between Flex and Ronnie. It could have gone either way. Amazing that Hulkster calls it bad judging when ultimately it was the judging that placed Ronnie first ;)
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Great physique, small chest no?
Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.
Not small, but in my opinion Dorian had a bit of a high chest.
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well, the experts at Flex magazine disagree with you.
in an article and interview with ronnie leading up to the 99 olympia they specifically highlighted this fact and how he was overlooked early on in the 98 contest.
thats where the stat about 1984 came from.
it was a big deal.
you disagree. experts own you.
STFU already you complete and utter retard.
YOU moron do NOT know what you're talking about. YOU just tried to say stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there
YOU claimed he was overlooked in the first round , YOU were proven dead wrong
fact Ronnie was NOT overlooked in the first round , fact Ronnie didn't make the first call-out but had 9 call outs in the first round , fact you once again are owned and don't even know what rounds you're talking about.
just STFU you think by responding that it somehow takes the sting away from your stupidity of once again not know what you're talking about and it wont , you realized you're fucked but have to say something
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That is pretty fucking funny.
Hulkster posts pics from the 2nd round to try and prove that Flex didnt smoke him in the 1st round.
Epic. Fail.
And he has the balls to type stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there
Stay tuned to watch Hulkster get bitchslapped is more like it.
Ronnie was overlooked in the first round by having NINE fucking call outs , just because he wasn't in the first one means Ronnie was really overlooked ::) you can't have 9 callouts in the first round and somehow be ' overlooked '
again he has NO clue on how contests are judged at all.
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oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.
yet the scorecards show differently.
thats the point.
The point is you're fucking clueless , the point is YOU wouldn't know who won what round because YOU don't even know how contests are judged , YOU can't tell the ' symmetry ' rounds from the ' muscularity ' round. YOU said he was overlooked in the first round despite being called out NINE times
You like to spout off like you're teaching us a lesson , you are but not the lesson you intended the lesson you're teaching us is you're proud and really stupid and that's a bad combination
stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there
Yeah we'll be sure to stay tuned alright ::)
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Smoked him according to how YOU see the pictures.
Obviously the judges disagreed with you.
Yeah in Hulkster's imaginary world where one gets overlooked in a round by being called out 9 times in , in his play world where Ronnie dominated Flex by winning by just 3 points in what is still to this day one of the closest Mr Olympia contests on record , Where the first round is actually the second round and how he will teach all of us a lesson in bodybuilding , Where Ronnie was in better condition in 99 than 98 and everyone says 1999 is the best he's ever looked in his career
Hulkster is done , he's been done for a LONG time and so has his idiot life-mate Neo , he keeps spouting off his bullshit in threads than have nothing to do with Ronnie and then he gets bitchslapped badly and tries post his way out of his nonsense and as usual it's doesn't work.
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Pro judging is the biggest joke there is, and yes ND....i know how it works.
They have a set of standards that lay out in fine detail what they are looking for in a competitor, . it's done on purpose, so the can justify any decision with very little scrutiny. They talk about muscular size, proportion, symmetry , balance, clear separation of the muscle groups and definition, and then completely ignore it and every round is scored the same, and award a guy the top prize who has a missing bicep, big stomach and thighs that look different from each other, and have very little in the way of ANY of those criteria, they were just big and hard....and his calves were TOO big to top it off.
his whole lower body fits NONE of the criteria, doesn't look good in most of the poses, same goes for one of his arms
this
and also the unwritten capital rule that states that if you have the best back on stage the olympia is 95% yours already, no matter how much outclassed you get from the front.
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funny how many people were at these shows (yates and ronnie olympias) and tell it like it was and people disregard this.
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Great physique, small chest no?
Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.
Not small at all moron.
Yates owning the competition in chest thickness:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=403534;image)
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as you can see, ronnie destroyed the oily flex by a wide margin.
yet the scorecards on paper show it being super close by only a few points.
lesson for the day: whats on stage always trumps bad judging.
stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there 8)
So the lesson is... The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong. But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?
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So the lesson is... The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong. But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?
You forgot to add "Doesnt know the difference between the 1st and 2nd rounds"
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So the lesson is... The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong. But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?
Tons of ownage in this post. Tons. :-\ Poor Hulkster.
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Tons of ownage in this post. Tons. :-\ Poor Hulkster.
That what he gets for trolling in another Dorian Yates thread
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Not small, but in my opinion Dorian had a bit of a high chest.
dorians chest were good, the FLS is a very tough pose on the pecs
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funny how many people were at these shows (yates and ronnie olympias) and tell it like it was and people disregard this.
tell me about it :)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004
"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Shawn Ray – Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."
Francis Benfatto – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia."
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tell me about it :)
I will ;)
Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is
widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
Samir Bannout : [ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are
talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most
muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have
had more appeal, but he did not. He makes himself look worse
Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
And ANY quote you post is suspect because I busted you editing quotes and omitting parts ;)
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I will
Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
Samir Bannout : [ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have had more appeal, but he did not. He makes himself look worse
First, this quote does not have a source. So you made it up for all we know, and we all know that your word means nothing (see the ND bet that I quoted earlier where you bet your account and lost ;) )
Second, Samir is clearly talking about Ronnie when he competes at a heavier weight. Notice he says "Ronnie is probably the most muscular." He also says Ronnie makes himself look worse, which is in reference to how Ronnie keeps getting bigger every year. Only an illiterate person would misconstrue Samir's quote to mean he was talking about Ronnie's 98 Mr. O or 01 ASC physique
Third, Samir never competed against Ronnie, at least not during Ronnie's Mr. Olympia reign. I quoted guys who stood on stage with both men at their prime. Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, Mike Matarazzo, Jean Pierre Fux, and Nasser El Sonbaty all said that Ronnie has the best physique ever.
Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
And ANY quote you post is suspect because I busted you editing quotes and omitting parts
lol @ quoting Vic Richards. Next you're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino :D
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First, this quote does not have a source. So you made it up for all we know, and we all know that your word means nothing (see the ND bet that I quoted earlier where you bet your account and lost ;) )
Second, Samir is clearly talking about Ronnie when he competes at a heavier weight. Notice he says "Ronnie is probably the most muscular." He also says Ronnie makes himself look worse, which is in reference to how Ronnie keeps getting bigger every year. Only an illiterate person would misconstrue Samir's quote to mean he was talking about Ronnie's 98 Mr. O or 01 ASC physique
Third, Samir never competed against Ronnie, at least not during Ronnie's Mr. Olympia reign. I quoted guys who stood on stage with both men at their prime. Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, Mike Matarazzo, Jean Pierre Fux, and Nasser El Sonbaty all said that Ronnie has the best physique ever.
lol @ quoting Vic Richards. Next you're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino :D
First, this quote does not have a source. So you made it up for all we know, and we all know that your word means nothing (see the ND bet that I quoted earlier where you bet your account and lost
Oh I see the diversionary tactic to me busting you deliberately tampering with quotes is to question mine , this is why you will always get owned because you don't think things out kid it's why you'll never be on my level 8)
First this quote most certainly has a source , I told you the source before when you questioned me and I told you it was from an interview on Bodybuilding.com and that I didn't care to provide a link because my word is GOLD and I don't tamper with quotes like you and Hulkster have been busted doing
And yes my word is GOLD because when I bet my account I asked him if he wanted me to delete it and he said no ;) but you know this because I already point that out. Anyway back to your nonsense , All you had to do dummy is ' cut , copy and paste ' my quote into www.Google.com and the interview with Samir would have came up
;)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
Second, Samir is clearly talking about Ronnie when he competes at a heavier weight. Notice he says "Ronnie is probably the most muscular." He also says Ronnie makes himself look worse, which is in reference to how Ronnie keeps getting bigger every year. Only an illiterate person would misconstrue Samir's quote to mean he was talking about Ronnie's 98 Mr. O or 01 ASC physique
First you question it's authenticity and then comment on what he really means when you have no context on the topic at all LMFAO only a fucking idiot would do that , go read what he meant and if you need any help with comprehension let the teacher know and I'll be more than happy to school you some more. ;)
Third, Samir never competed against Ronnie, at least not during Ronnie's Mr. Olympia reign. I quoted guys who stood on stage with both men at their prime. Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, Mike Matarazzo, Jean Pierre Fux, and Nasser El Sonbaty all said that Ronnie has the best physique ever.
There is a an old saying ' The Devil is in the detail ' Neo this is why I call you dumb , because you don't research anything and then have the balls to type contradictory things and have the balls to act like you know what you're talking about , WRONG yet again , Samir has competed against Ronnie , and he has seen Ronnie during his prime as well because where do you think I got the comment about Ronnie having the second best back compared to Dorian from? he was at the Olympia
He's a professional he doesn't have to be on-stage with him to have an opinion neither do the judges , and keep trying to push your popular opinion as fact , it failed for you the last time and it's not working now.
ol @ quoting Vic Richards. Next you're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino :D
or Ryan Mackie ;) now only if you could quote people in context and not play with their words but hey you've matured ::)
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First this quote most certainly has a source , I told you the source before when you questioned me and I told you it was from an interview on Bodybuilding.com and that I didn't care to provide a link because my word is GOLD and I don't tamper with quotes like you and Hulkster have been busted doing
And yes my word is GOLD because when I bet my account I asked him if he wanted me to delete it and he said no but you know this because I already point that out. Anyway back to your nonsense , All you had to do dummy is ' cut , copy and paste ' my quote into www.Google.com and the interview with Samir would have came up
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
First you question it's authenticity and then comment on what he really means when you have no context on the topic at all LMFAO only a fucking idiot would do that , go read what he meant and if you need any help with comprehension let the teacher know and I'll be more than happy to school you some more.
There is a an old saying ' The Devil is in the detail ' Neo this is why I call you dumb , because you don't research anything and then have the balls to type contradictory things and have the balls to act like you know what you're talking about , WRONG yet again , Samir has competed against Ronnie , and he has seen Ronnie during his prime as well because where do you think I got the comment about Ronnie having the second best back compared to Dorian from? he was at the Olympia
He's a professional he doesn't have to be on-stage with him to have an opinion neither do the judges , and keep trying to push your popular opinion as fact , it failed for you the last time and it's not working now.
no wonder you were scared to post the source. Taken from the same interview:
Samir Bannout
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
Thank you :)
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no wonder you were scared to post the source. Taken from the same interview:
Samir Bannout
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
Thank you :)
Yeah so scared I just did ::) at least we know you have one quote that's accurate ;)
sucks Neo as usual you don't have a fucking clue on what you're talking about and you troll in yet another Yates thread and what happens? I smack the shit out of you 8)
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
You can thank me for that one as well ;) psssssstttt no need to question if it's accurate either :D
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Not even a question if Yates's back is better than Ronnie's. Other bodyparts I'm willing to believe, but no fucking way on the back.
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Not even a question if Yates's back is better than Ronnie's. Other bodyparts I'm willing to believe, but no fucking way on the back.
At the same weight NO contest , Dorian has everything Ronnie does and more.
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Yeah so scared I just did at least we know you have one quote that's accurate
sucks Neo as usual you don't have a fucking clue on what you're talking about and you troll in yet another Yates thread and what happens? I smack the shit out of you
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
You can thank me for that one as well psssssstttt no need to question if it's accurate either
like I give a crap about who Samir thinks has the best back after he said Ronnie has the best muscle mass and quality he's ever seen
Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
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At the same weight NO contest , Dorian has everything Ronnie does and more.
lol, is that why Peter McGough said Ronnie had the best back in the 97 Mr. Olympia even though Dorian competed at his biggest?
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trolololol
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lol, is that why Peter McGough said Ronnie had the best back in the 97 Mr. Olympia even though Dorian competed at his biggest?
One snap , caught LYING again ;) said he has the best back double biceps shot at the show and that means what? Dorian at a career worse LMFAO
What place was Ronnie in 1997 ??? Oh that's right 9th to Dorian's first looks like the people who matter you know the judges said Dorian had the best back double biceps shot in that show ;)
LMFAO Neo keep trying like Ronnie trying to compete with Dorian in his heyday you have NOTHING for me ;)
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trolololol
:)
Oppps that's been amended sport , nice try
and here is the strong argument
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lol @ ND's attempts at damage control. Brb, quoting Samir - backfire
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lol @ ND's attempts at damage control. Brb, quoting Samir - backfire
Poor Neo not having much luck are you? every turn you make you're fucked kid ;D
NOT in my league kid
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anyway, I'm done with this thread. I've already dismantled every single argument you've presented in your defense of Dorian. I might post again if you come up with a new argument. Until then, I'm out :)
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anyway, I'm done with this thread. I've already dismantled every single argument you've presented in your defense of Dorian. I might post again if you come up with a new argument. Until then, I'm out :)
Thank god.
All it takes is one petulant child to walk away for the insanity to end.
(Not that im one to talk)
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anyway, I'm done with this thread. I've already dismantled every single argument you've presented in your defense of Dorian. I might post again if you come up with a new argument. Until then, I'm out :)
LMFAO you're correct about one thing you are done , just not in the context you mean ;D
Neo can't handle the heat ;D at least Hulkster the moron didn't come back after his beating , you should learn from him. ;)
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Thank god.
All it takes is one petulant child to walk away for the insanity to end.
(Not that im one to talk)
He's done because he's fucking owned like his dumb buddy Hulkster , both of high tailed it out with their tail between their legs after a brutal embarrassment
Dummies can't just stay out of a Dorian Yates thread , serves them both right.
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I think were a lot of people go wrong is that they champion their FAVOURITE bodybuilder instead of the BEST bodybuilder, e.g, that fits the criteria best. Sometimes it's hard to separate your bias from reality.
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Semenole proving how much he likes the Shadow on another forum:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130055053&page=1 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130055053&page=1)
;D
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almost matches him in muscular bulk? and you came to this conclusion how? Dorian at his best precontest in the B&W pics is 269lbs , on-stage in 1993 257lbs in 1993 , Phil 240lbs at 1" shorter , don't know what school of math you went to but you need to go back , Dorian was 242lbs in 1992 again what new level is Phil bringing? ???
Better symmetry? LMFAO I almost don't want to dignify this with a response , symmetry in what context? because recall it has multiple means , small waist and hips? small joints better taper? wider clavicles? you couldn't accurately say unless they were both standing side-by-side but we know for a fact Phil's taper isn't as good and neither is his clavicle width , and this wouldn't be an an advantage entertaing it were true and why? because Dorian always beat people who did
Balance? no explanation on how or why he has better balance , we'll just take your word for it ::)
Definition? where? ??? elaborate on your claims don't just assert them
fullness? see above
Does Phil carry more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO 257lbs in 1993 Olympia , B&W photos 269lbs and he's about 1" 1/2 taller Phil 240lbs , conditioning?
Does Phil show any new level of conditioning that Dorian never did? Ummmmm NO Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Phil's good for a pro in this day and age doesn't say much and most
Phil's an awesome bodybuilder and like Dorian one of the most complete Mr Olympias but he's not bringing anything new that hasn't been done years before
Flex and Phil are a lot alike structurally both narrow in the clavicles but Phil appears more thick and Flex more streamlined the difference between the two is shape , Flex's shape stands alone and his truly tiny joints and proportions , Flex has the shape and aesthetics Phil doesn't
Dorian looks outstanding at his best from all angles , Phil doesn't Dorian would easily collect more mandatories
Weight means nothing, hope this helps
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Weight means nothing, hope this helps
Yeah sure it doesn't ::)
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Semenole proving how much he likes the Shadow on another forum:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130055053&page=1 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130055053&page=1)
;D
That dummy got busted using MY fucking arguments for Yates on another boards and he got called on it lol his ownage spreads across the net ;D
Neo will know what this pic is ;D
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Not small at all moron.
Yates owning the competition in chest thickness:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=403534;image)
I am English too butt-head, but your intelligence is low.
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Not even a question if Yates's back is better than Ronnie's. Other bodyparts I'm willing to believe, but no fucking way on the back.
Is Dorian's Bigger, maybe not, shape, maybe not,... but more seperated- definitely, Deeper lines-Definitely, Drier-definitly, so again it's apples and oranges.
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Poor Neo not having much luck are you? every turn you make you're fucked kid ;D
NOT in my league kid
Call me crazy, but the back on the right looks worlds drier and more developed.
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Call me crazy, but the back on the right looks worlds drier and more developed.
Exactly, and that's only what you can see, now add glutes, hams and calfs,....LIGHTS OUT ;)
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Call me crazy, but the back on the right looks worlds drier and more developed.
Yes it does
Plus yates had something called calves and very good hams
Ronnie wins on glutes (no homo)
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IMHO
Shawn Ray should have won at least two Sandows.....Maybe more.
Yates displayed tremendous size.....especially back, traps and calves.
But if you are looking to reward the most complete physique.....you have to give the trophy to Ray or Labrada or Paris or Benfatto. Just my 2 cents.
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IMHO
Shawn Ray should have won at least two Sandows.....Maybe more.
Yates displayed tremendous size.....especially back, traps and calves.
But if you are looking to reward the most complete physique.....you have to give the trophy to Ray or Labrada or Paris or Benfatto. Just my 2 cents.
By far the most complete. LOL
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To this day I still don't understand how Ray managed to place so high at the Olympia during the Shadow's reign. His conditioning was usually top notch but in terms of development he had nothing to shout about IMO.
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IMHO
Shawn Ray should have won at least two Sandows.....Maybe more.
Yates displayed tremendous size.....especially back, traps and calves.
But if you are looking to reward the most complete physique.....you have to give the trophy to Ray or Labrada or Paris or Benfatto. Just my 2 cents.
Precisely which two Olympias, or more, should he have won then? Ray was not by any means the most complete or balanced, but his flaws are often easily overlooked, being he had an "appealing" physique. I would suggest that Ray received fitting placings. He looked great alone, but was no match for Yates during any year.
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Precisely which two Olympias, or more, should he have won then? Ray was not by any means the most complete or balanced, but his flaws are often easily overlooked, being he had an "appealing" physique. I would suggest that Ray received fitting placings. He looked great alone, but was no match for Yates during any year.
Get some new glasses.......Take a good look at Yates.....then take a good look at Shawn Ray......then tell me who is the more complete bodybuilder.
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Yeah sure it doesn't ::)
Well I guess you mean muscular size/SHAPE/density/dryness etc. All very important. Pure weight only indicates.....weight, it doesn't tell you how someone looks, how much water/fat they're carrying, how symmetrical they are or how how good they look. Otherwise by your strangely anti-iron-age example Ruhl is a better bodybuilder than Zane?!?!?!
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Well I guess you mean muscular size/SHAPE/density/dryness etc. All very important. Pure weight only indicates.....weight, it doesn't tell you how someone looks, how much water/fat they're carrying, how symmetrical they are or how how good they look. Otherwise by your strangely anti-iron-age example Ruhl is a better bodybuilder than Zane?!?!?!
your comment Weight means nothing, hope this helps which isn't accurate and now you're elaborating more on what you mean. Obviously weight alone means nothing and it's a combo of things ( which I've always maintained )
I would rather look like Zane but aren't under delusions he would beat Rhul in a contest
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Get some new glasses.......Take a good look at Yates.....then take a good look at Shawn Ray......then tell me who is the more complete bodybuilder.
What do you mean by more complete? ??? what part does Shawn have that Dorian doesn't? ???
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What do you mean by more complete? ??? what part does Shawn have that Dorian doesn't? ???
;D he has short legs and no calfs . long torso and he's narrow ? I suspect these are the things some of these guys think make a complete physique ? ::)
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your comment Weight means nothing, hope this helps which isn't accurate and now you're elaborating more on what you mean. Obviously weight alone means nothing and it's a combo of things ( which I've always maintained )
I would rather look like Zane but aren't under delusions he would beat Rhul in a contest
Hmm Greg Kovacs vs Flex Lewis ?
Paul Dillet vs Shawn Ray ?
Essentially weight does mean nothing, that's why an off-season Yates at 282lb isn't necessarily carrying much more MUSCLE than a 262lb Yates. ;D
UFC fighters lose about 20lb of water for weigh in, so fight at 20lb more than their weigh-in weight, that's the kind of weight variability we're talking about from one week to the next purely in water when someoneis dehydrated......so your endless comparisons of off-deason Yates with ONSTAGE Coleman are a pointless mis-use of weight-based statistics.
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Precisely which two Olympias, or more, should he have won then? Ray was not by any means the most complete or balanced, but his flaws are often easily overlooked, being he had an "appealing" physique. I would suggest that Ray received fitting placings. He looked great alone, but was no match for Yates during any year.
94 and 97 and if it wasn't Ray it should have been someone not named Dorian
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Hmm Greg Kovacs vs Flex Lewis ?
Paul Dillet vs Shawn Ray ?
Essentially weight does mean nothing, that's why an off-season Yates at 282lb isn't necessarily carrying much more MUSCLE than a 262lb Yates. ;D
UFC fighters lose about 20lb of water for weigh in, so fight at 20lb more than their weigh-in weight, that's the kind of weight variability we're talking about from one week to the next purely in water when someoneis dehydrated......so your endless comparisons of off-deason Yates with ONSTAGE Coleman are a pointless mis-use of weight-based statistics.
Hmm Greg Kovacs vs Flex Lewis ?
Paul Dillet vs Shawn Ray
Again like I said obviously weight ALONE means nothing , maybe you missed that.
Essentially weight does mean nothing, that's why an off-season Yates at 282lb isn't necessarily carrying much more MUSCLE than a 262lb Yates. ;D
You don't know that and like Yates said he was usually on contest ready conditioning six weeks out from a contest , therefore he was carrying more muscle , he's said multiple occasions he would continue to diet down in some vain hope of getting better conditioned and realized he wasn't getting more ripped he was just dieting away muscle
fact Dorian was carrying more muscle in 1993 precontest in the black & white photos than he was at the Olympia , he was 269lbs in the pics and 257lbs , Dorian if you look at his competition weights they increased almost every year
1990 228lbs
1991 239lbs
1992 242lbs
1993 257lbs
1994 262lbs
1995 260lbs
1996 257lbs
1997 266lbs
He realized his mistake and started to correct it , so yes it's very easy to assume he was carrying more muscle at higher bodyweights , obviously there is a point of diminishing returns but Kevin Horton photographed Dorian precontest mind you NOT off-season ( there is a big difference ) and said it was personally the best he ever seen Dorian and he was in really good condition at 283lbs , which is the pic of him he posted on bodybuilding.com of the front latspread
UFC fighters lose about 20lb of water for weigh in, so fight at 20lb more than their weigh-in weight, that's the kind of weight variability we're talking about from one week to the next purely in water when someoneis dehydrated......so your endless comparisons of off-deason Yates with ONSTAGE Coleman are a pointless mis-use of weight-based statistics.
the UFC analogy has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with competitive bodybuilding.
And again Dorian is not ' off-season ' he's precontest , big difference. And it's all a matter of conditioning and the weight , if two guys are both 250lbs one is bone dry and rock hard and the other isn't because he's carrying more water & sq fat who has more muscle?
Dorian Yates , Shawn Perine , Peter McGough , Kevin Horton have all said that Dorian in those black & white pics could have stepped on-stage like that and won the 1993 Olympia and that speaks volumes because almost everyone at the contest was in condition.
So comparing Ronnie ( or whomever ) to Dorian precontest you would be crazy to think a 22 pound weight advantage over a competitor wouldn't be a huge advantage ALONG with the rest of the criteria
This is what separates Ronnie from Dorian , Dorian could go higher in bodyweights without adversely
effecting his conditioning as much , Ronnie went from a bone dry and rock hard 249lbs in 1998 to 257lbs in 1999 and his conditioning already suffered for it , the more weight Ronnie added the worse his conditioning became , he went to 264lbs in 2000 and same thing it was worse from 1999 , Ronnie looked his best lighter under 250lbs ( 2001 ASC ) Dorian actually looked his best higher at around 270lbs
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But .... in 6 attempts he never brought that look to a stage. How you appear onstage is crucial to winning a competition :)
You can't say with any certainty that in this one pic Dorian is the best physique ever, otherwise Dillet is the greatest physique ever. That's the whole thing about being onstage, the hams and glutes and lower back etc are exposed in a way that studio pics cannot show. Stage lighting is not flattering like gym or studio lighting.
I know you have quotes to prove me wrong, but I'm afraid, like weight, they mean dick. ALL that matters is how you look onstage.
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But .... in 6 attempts he never brought that look to a stage. How you appear onstage is crucial to winning a competition :)
You can't say with any certainty that in this one pic Dorian is the best physique ever, otherwise Dillet is the greatest physique ever. That's the whole thing about being onstage, the hams and glutes and lower back etc are exposed in a way that studio pics cannot show. Stage lighting is not flattering like gym or studio lighting.
I know you have quotes to prove me wrong, but I'm afraid, like weight, they mean dick. ALL that matters is how you look onstage.
But .... in 6 attempts he never brought that look to a stage. How you appear onstage is crucial to winning a competition :)
Wrong , you insisted he attempted and failed not true and obviously how you appear on-stage is crucial to winning and he dominated on-stage , the whole point is he could have appeared on-stage like that and won
You can't say with any certainty that in this one pic Dorian is the best physique ever, otherwise Dillet is the greatest physique ever. That's the whole thing about being onstage, the hams and glutes and lower back etc are exposed in a way that studio pics cannot show. Stage lighting is not flattering like gym or studio lighting.
Actually I didn't say that one pic is the best physique ever , I said Kevin Horton said the best he ever seen Dorian was precontest 1995 where he took that pic from , he's seen Dorian throughout his entire career , that statement says a lot and Dillett is the greatest physique ever? even precontest or offseason his back still sucked no escaping that
I know you have quotes to prove me wrong, but I'm afraid, like weight, they mean dick. ALL that matters is how you look onstage.
And Dorian appeared on-stage and how well did he do? to play your game Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat any version of Ronnie for the same reasons I've always said.
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Get some new glasses.......Take a good look at Yates.....then take a good look at Shawn Ray......then tell me who is the more complete bodybuilder.
In terms of bodybuilding, Yates was cause size is big factor in being complete and this is how physiques are judged.
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Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat any version of Ronnie for the same reasons I've always said.
the same experts you argue said Dorian's best shape was 93/95 precontest also said it was the ONLY version of Dorian that could compete against a prime Ronnie. Every onstage version of Dorian would lose to him. You might want to cross-check your references next time you quote them ;)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
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the same experts you argue said Dorian's best shape was 93/95 precontest also said it was the ONLY version of Dorian that could compete against a prime Ronnie. Every onstage version of Dorian would lose to him. You might want to cross-check your references next time you quote them ;)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
And? I don't need them to form my own opinion and they have theirs
How about contest records? they say a lot like Ronnie 1998 AT HIS BEST OLYMPIA just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth ( 3 points ) and Flex wasn't the same Flex Dorian dominated in 1993 either , but this is supposed to beat Dorian? ::)
Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia does not stand a fucking chance in hell against Dorian 1993/1995 Mr Olympia , sorry sport ain't gonna happen and neither would 2001 ASC Ronnie either because he was the same as 98 except without butch-tits
At least you learned your lesson about post quotes in their entirety ;)
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98/01
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your comment Weight means nothing, hope this helps which isn't accurate and now you're elaborating more on what you mean. Obviously weight alone means nothing and it's a combo of things ( which I've always maintained )
I would rather look like Zane but aren't under delusions he would beat Rhul in a contest
I would shoot myself in the face if Rhul actually won a contest against Zane. Ruhl was all balloon.
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I would shoot myself in the face if Rhul actually won a contest against Zane. Ruhl was all balloon.
In this day and age he would win , if you agree with the facts or you don't, it doesn't change them
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I would shoot myself in the face if Rhul actually won a contest against Zane. Ruhl was all balloon.
No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.
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No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.
Like I said 99.9% of people on here don't know how contests are judged and base their opinions on what they THINK should win contests , or what SHOULD win contests , or what NEEDS to be winning contests
they have the info they just don't like it
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On your deathbed you guys will probably regret the months wasted on theese discussions.
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Like I said 99.9% of people on here don't know how contests are judged and base their opinions on what they THINK should win contests , or what SHOULD win contests , or what NEEDS to be winning contests
they have the info they just don't like it
Ya getbiggers want to make their own system of judging, which leads to a bunch of pointless arguments, truth is based on the current system Ronnie would not beat Yates, neither Ray, Flex, no one. Yates gets favoured in this system, his flawless track record given to him by the IFBB judges should be enough to put this to rest. Your personal preference is irrelevant in determining who would be the ultimate physique that has ever stepped foot on stage based on the current judging system, plain and simple, Yates is favoured more by the judges, fair or not love it or hate it, these are the facts at hand people.
BTW my personal preference is Shawn Ray.
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And? I don't need them to form my own opinion and they have theirs
How about contest records? they say a lot like Ronnie 1998 AT HIS BEST OLYMPIA just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth ( 3 points ) and Flex wasn't the same Flex Dorian dominated in 1993 either , but this is supposed to beat Dorian?
Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia does not stand a fucking chance in hell against Dorian 1993/1995 Mr Olympia , sorry sport ain't gonna happen and neither would 2001 ASC Ronnie either because he was the same as 98 except without butch-tits
At least you learned your lesson about post quotes in their entirety
all that is irrelevant. I wasn't talking about contest records or 98 Ronnie. You said 93 precontest Dorian was his best version and then mentioned Peter McGough and Shawn Perine to defend your comment. However, both experts also said no onstage version of Dorian could compete with a prime Ronnie which contradicts your claim that 93/95 Mr. Olympia Dorian would beat Ronnie
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also, you want to bring Kevin Horton into this so let's see what another famous Flex photographer had to say
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
keywords: "has seen everybody, during the last 35 years"
since photographers are paid to take pics of these guys both on and off the stage, they have seen every version of Dorian and Ronnie. For Chris Lund to explicitly say Ronnie is the best he has ever seen, that means a lot
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all that is irrelevant. I wasn't talking about contest records or 98 Ronnie. You said 93 precontest Dorian was his best version and then mentioned Peter McGough and Shawn Perine to defend your comment. However, both experts also said no onstage version of Dorian could compete with a prime Ronnie which contradicts your claim that 93/95 Mr. Olympia Dorian would beat Ronnie
My ass it's irrelevant , it's very relevant and proves Ronnie at his best couldn't touch Dorian from 1993/1995 you can't counter that point so it's easy for you to dismiss it , nice try though ::)
And they have their opinion I have mine , Dorian 1993 at 269lbs or Dorian at the 1993 Olympia would beat Ronnie at his best , so either way I'm right ;)
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also, you want to bring Kevin Horton into this so let's see what another famous Flex photographer had to say
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Wow you already post that opinion before and how many contests has he judged? ???
Neo you'll get NO argument from me that it is a more popular opinion that Ronnie is the best or he would beat Dorian , I concede that doesn't mean it's true , keep trying to prove your opinion with appeals to numbers , it didn't work before and it wont work now
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;D he has short legs and no calfs . long torso and he's narrow ? I suspect these are the things some of these guys think make a complete physique ? ::)
Spot on.
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Wow you already post that opinion before and how many contests has he judged? ???
Neo you'll get NO argument from me that it is a more popular opinion that Ronnie is the best or he would beat Dorian , I concede that doesn't mean it's true , keep trying to prove your opinion with appeals to numbers , it didn't work before and it wont work now
Ya exactly, numbers mean shit, in fact numbers showed Branch taking the Arnold only because the magazines push the popularity his way, neo is forgetting that the numbers will go in favour of who's getting the most publicity and Dorian hasn't been in the limelight in 15 years, that should tell you something.
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Ya exactly, numbers mean shit, in fact numbers showed Branch taking the Arnold only because the magazines push the popularity his way, neo is forgetting that the numbers will go in favour of who's getting the most publicity and Dorian hasn't been in the limelight in 15 years, that should tell you something
lol, wut? I'm not forgetting anything. Your comment makes as much sense as me saying "Onetimehard is forgetting that Ronnie is black and the political landscape favors whites" ::) Both ideas are absurd! What makes more sense? That Chris Lund was telling the truth or that an anonymous poster with stars next to his name can read Chris Lund's mind?
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And? I don't need them to form my own opinion and they have theirs
How about contest records? they say a lot like Ronnie 1998 AT HIS BEST OLYMPIA just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth ( 3 points ) and Flex wasn't the same Flex Dorian dominated in 1993 either , but this is supposed to beat Dorian? ::)
Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia does not stand a fucking chance in hell against Dorian 1993/1995 Mr Olympia , sorry sport ain't gonna happen and neither would 2001 ASC Ronnie either because he was the same as 98 except without butch-tits
At least you learned your lesson about post quotes in their entirety ;)
This post should be required reading.
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Call me crazy, but the back on the right looks worlds drier and more developed.
dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.
but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.
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lol, wut? I'm not forgetting anything. Your comment makes as much sense as me saying "Onetimehard is forgetting that Ronnie is black and the political landscape favors whites" ::) Both ideas are absurd! What makes more sense? That Chris Lund was telling the truth or that an anonymous poster with stars next to his name can read Chris Lund's mind?
Almost as much sense as saying Ronnie is better than Dorian because a lot of people hold that opinion ::)
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dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.
but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.
:)
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Almost as much sense as saying Ronnie is better than Dorian because a lot of people hold that opinion
this coming from the hypocrite who was the first to use quotes. The only reason you don't like using quotes as much anymore is b/c they backfired on you ;)
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dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.
but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.
Says the guy who claims Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times and the symmetry round is now the muscularity round according to you ::)
You don't know anything at all , keep trolling that's all you know
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this coming from the hypocrite who was the first to use quotes. The only reason you don't like using quotes as much anymore is b/c they backfired on you ;)
No they haven't , you think popular opinion is fact , Hulkster tried that long ago and he failed , welcome to his club
oppssss Dorian is better because more people said so ::)
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true, Neo, the front side isn't up to par either
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Sorry Ronnie still not good enough 8)
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true, Neo, the front side isn't up to par either
Not at all ;)
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No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.
Really? Ruhl always looked like a bloated bag of shit. Someone like Dillet beating Zane? I can see that. It's mass with aesthetics.
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No they haven't , you think popular opinion is fact , Hulkster tried that long ago and he failed , welcome to his club
yes, they did. You were the first person to start using quotes to support your argument. Ask anyone from the Truce thread (e.g. Hulkster, Iceman, etc) Then when we began using a couple quotes saying Ronnie was better, you posted more quotes in favor of Dorian and claimed this was "corroboration of evidence." So I compiled a list of every quote that favors Ronnie. Soon, the number of experts who said Ronnie is better outnumbered yours 10:1. Not only did the number of quotes blow yours out of the water but some of them were from your bodybuilding Bible, Flex magazine (e.g. Team Flex saying Ronnie has the best physique ever, Flex voting Ronnie as having the best back). Furthermore, the same experts you used to quote regularly even contradicted some your claims (e.g. Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both saying only a precontest version of Dorian could match Ronnie). Face it: you played the quote game and lost. Everything that followed is damage control by you to save embarrasment
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Not at all
epic failure at making comparisons. Dorian is a 10 foot tall giant in one of them and you used a stretched pic of Dorian in another
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yes, they did. You were the first person to start using quotes to support your argument. Ask anyone from the Truce thread (e.g. Hulkster, Iceman, etc) Then when we began using a couple quotes saying Ronnie was better, you posted more quotes in favor of Dorian and claimed this was "corroboration of evidence." So I compiled a list of every quote that favors Ronnie. Soon, the number of experts who said Ronnie is better outnumbered yours 10:1. Not only did the number of quotes blow yours out of the water but some of them were from your bodybuilding Bible, Flex magazine (e.g. Team Flex saying Ronnie has the best physique ever, Flex voting Ronnie as having the best back). Furthermore, the same experts you used to quote regularly even contradicted some your claims (e.g. Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both saying only a precontest version of Dorian could match Ronnie).
WRONG as usual
I used quotes to supplement my opinion that his conditioning was better NOT if he was could beat Ronnie because it never was the more popular opinion that he was ;) I proved my points twenty times over about Dorian having the better conditioning and balance & proportion ( two separate entities BTW )
That's the difference between you and I , you tried to pass them off as proof he was better because it was more popular and you failed miserably.
and in the end you were beaten by your own hero when he conceded that he could NOT beat Dorian on multiple occasions 8) which BTW I always maintained that even though he knows he's not in Dorian's league it doesn't make it true
in the end where are you? in another Dorian Yates thread trying to convince the world Ronnie really , really is better and your proof ? popular opinion LMFAO
Dorian dominated Flex near his best , Flex almost beat Ronnie at his lol you do the math ;)
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yes, they did. You were the first person to start using quotes to support your argument. Ask anyone from the Truce thread (e.g. Hulkster, Iceman, etc) Then when we began using a couple quotes saying Ronnie was better, you posted more quotes in favor of Dorian and claimed this was "corroboration of evidence." So I compiled a list of every quote that favors Ronnie. Soon, the number of experts who said Ronnie is better outnumbered yours 10:1. Not only did the number of quotes blow yours out of the water but some of them were from your bodybuilding Bible, Flex magazine (e.g. Team Flex saying Ronnie has the best physique ever, Flex voting Ronnie as having the best back). Furthermore, the same experts you used to quote regularly even contradicted some your claims (e.g. Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both saying only a precontest version of Dorian could match Ronnie). Face it: you played the quote game and lost. Everything that followed is damage control by you to save embarrasment
Who started the quote game. In all honesty though, does it REALLY matter what a so-called 'expert' says? This game can be played all day long. You'll always find a quote willing to support your point. I find a quote that says Shawn is better than Flex, then a quote that says Flex is better than Shawn. What exactly is now proved? It's up to the 13 judges in the end. We'll never know who really was the best, but in my opinion, I think Dorian just edges him out.
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epic failure at making comparisons. Dorian is a 10 foot tall giant in one of them and you used a stretched pic of Dorian in another
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@ Neo bitching about comparisons not being accurate LMFAO
You should have not come back puppy because now your nose is getting shoved in your own shit all over again ;)
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Who started the quote game. In all honesty though, does it REALLY matter what a so-called 'expert' says? This game can be played all day long. You'll always find a quote willing to support your point. I find a quote that says Shawn is better than Flex, then a quote that says Flex is better than Shawn. What exactly is now proved? It's up to the 13 judges in the end. We'll never know who really was the best, but in my opinion, I think Dorian just edges him out.
In the end all that matters is 12 judges , I've always maintained that
everyone else just has an opinion
Dorian dominated Flex Wheeler during his best year 1993 , obliterated him , Flex 1998 a shell of his former self goes up against an Olympia best Ronnie and Ronnie just narrowly beats him in one of the closest Olympia to this day , and Ronnie is supposed to beat Dorian?
Statistics say other wise
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Narc, You can't compare various pics from different years of Yates and Coleman. You have to pick photos from when they were at their all-time bests. '98 Coleman beats everybody. EVERYBODY.
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Narc, You can't compare various pics from different years of Yates and Coleman. You have to pick photos from when they were at their all-time bests. '98 Coleman beats everybody. EVERYBODY.
Trolling bro :D
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In the end all that matters is 12 judges , I've always maintained that
everyone else just has an opinion
Dorian dominated Flex Wheeler during his best year 1993 , obliterated him , Flex 1998 a shell of his former self goes up against an Olympia best Ronnie and Ronnie just narrowly beats him in one of the closest Olympia to this day , and Ronnie is supposed to beat Dorian?
Statistics say other wise
you can't take judging from different contests and use it as a whole, there is no linear connection.
1993: Dorian is the incumbent champ, shows up looking great and wins the show easily
1998: there is no champ, and flex is actually the heavy favorite and was called out first. Ronnie was just making a name for himself and won the show
It's a bullshit argument
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as I said earlier, Ronnie was overlooked initially in 98.
ND, how many people have to point this out to you for you to get it? ::)
its even been mentioned in print in Flex mag, and you STILL don't get it ::)
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@ Neo bitching about comparisons not being accurate LMFAO
You should have not come back puppy because now your nose is getting shoved in your own shit all over again
how is the scaling in your comparison even remotely close to mine? ???
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Really? Ruhl always looked like a bloated bag of shit. Someone like Dillet beating Zane? I can see that. It's mass with aesthetics.
Bro I am with you about what you say and I think Zane had a huge impact on our sport, one of my favourite of all time, but I am only giving you the point of view of the IFBB judging format, it wouldn`t be close, in fact Zane wouldn`t beat anyone at todays Olympia but if he lived in this era and did what they did,would be a different story.
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you can't take judging from different contests and use it as a whole, there is no linear connection.
1993: Dorian is the incumbent champ, shows up looking great and wins the show easily
1998: there is no champ, and flex is actually the heavy favorite and was called out first. Ronnie was just making a name for himself and won the show
It's a bullshit argument
Yes you can Groink, Dorian destroyed Flex, Ronnie didn`t, now what version of Flex does the ifbb judges say was better, without a doubt the ifbb judges (yes every single one of them) would say the one Dorian beat.
Pay attention, judges gave Ronnie an 8, judges gave Flex a 7 = Ronnie wins, same judges gave the better version of Flex in 93 an 8, same judges gave Dorian 93 a 10, simple analogy, simple mathematics.
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Yes you can Groink, Dorian destroyed Flex, Ronnie didn`t, now what version of Flex does the ifbb judges say was better, without a doubt the ifbb judges (yes every single one of them) would say the one Dorian beat.
Pay attention, judges gave Ronnie an 8, judges gave Flex a 7 = Ronnie wins, same judges gave the better version of Flex in 93 an 8, same judges gave Dorian 93 a 10, simple analogy, simple mathematics.
Whatever.I don't agree and my logic is sound, but i have no interest in fighting to the death over Dorian Yates, i made my point, i don't give enough of a fuck to defend it for 20 pages while you and ND counter with your opinions, which are no more right than anyone elses.
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as I said earlier, Ronnie was overlooked initially in 98.
ND, how many people have to point this out to you for you to get it? ::)
its even been mentioned in print in Flex mag, and you STILL don't get it ::)
I know what you said and you were dead wrong and now you're back peddling by claiming he was ' initially ' overlooked NO the fuck he wasn't stop typing this bullshit. You claimed he was overlooked in the first round , I on't care how many people have ' point this out ' they like you are DEAD WRONG
You can NOT be overlooked in the first round by being compared NINE fucking times in it. Just because he wasn't in the first call-out you stupidly claimed he was ' overlooked ' it's typical of you , commit to an ignorant position , get called on it and then keep typing the same bullshit despite being proven dead wrong. You're the idiot who posts pictures from the second round to claim he was overlooked in the first , this and the fact you think he got overlooked ( by being called out nine times ) proves you don't have a fucking clue on what you're talking about and then have the audacity to claim you're gonna teach us about how contests are judged ::)
dude seriously just STFU you're embarrassing yourself even more by sticking to your bullshit. you and Neo egt constantly get exposed for not knowing what you're talking about and then continue to troll in Yates threads , proud and dumb is a bad combo for both of you.
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you can't take judging from different contests and use it as a whole, there is no linear connection.
1993: Dorian is the incumbent champ, shows up looking great and wins the show easily
1998: there is no champ, and flex is actually the heavy favorite and was called out first. Ronnie was just making a name for himself and won the show
It's a bullshit argument
I disagree , we know that Ronnie competed with Dorian and was always beaten , however he wasn't at his best , so when Ronnie was at his best Dorian retired however Flex was still around competing , and I don't anyone will argue Flex was near his prime when Ronnie beat him , however we can gauge how Ronnie would do against Dorian based off of how he did against Flex , and he had his hands full with Flex and it doesn't have anything to do with there being no incumbent champ , Ronnie and Flex went back and forth well before the Olympia and both had the ability to beat each other if one was one and the other was off. What they both have in common is neither could beat Dorian.
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I disagree , we know that Ronnie competed with Dorian and was always beaten , however he wasn't at his best , so when Ronnie was at his best Dorian retired however Flex was still around competing , and I don't anyone will argue Flex was near his prime when Ronnie beat him , however we can gauge how Ronnie would do against Dorian based off of how he did against Flex , and he had his hands full with Flex and it doesn't have anything to do with there being no incumbent champ , Ronnie and Flex went back and forth well before the Olympia and both had the ability to beat each other if one was one and the other was off. What they both have in common is neither could beat Dorian.
opinion
opinion
You could have just stopped at "i disagree" and that would have been fine.
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I've come to realize that I don't really care about the subject any more. In my opinion Dorian is the greatest ever. Next one will disagree, the following after that agree. And round and round we go :-\
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I disagree , we know that Ronnie competed with Dorian and was always beaten , however he wasn't at his best , so when Ronnie was at his best Dorian retired however Flex was still around competing , and I don't anyone will argue Flex was near his prime when Ronnie beat him , however we can gauge how Ronnie would do against Dorian based off of how he did against Flex , and he had his hands full with Flex and it doesn't have anything to do with there being no incumbent champ , Ronnie and Flex went back and forth well before the Olympia and both had the ability to beat each other if one was one and the other was off. What they both have in common is neither could beat Dorian.
wrong, Flex never competed against 01 ASC Ronnie. So we have no yardstick to measure how Ronnie would stack up against Dorian. You can try to connect the dots all you want "well, Flex was close to his prime in 93 but was off in 98 which was 3 years before the 01 ASC minus Flex divide by 3... blah blah blah." It doesn't matter. Since none of us saw them in person, we must defer to experts who did. Every single one of them says that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat any stage version of Dorian.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
Greg Merritt - Flex, April 2009
"I submit that the Ronnie Coleman version 2.0 we saw in four contests from the '98 Olympia to the '01 Arnold (weighing between 244 and 264) is the best combination of size, shape and striations in the history of bodybuilding."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
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In the end all that matters is 12 judges , I've always maintained that
everyone else just has an opinion
Dorian dominated Flex Wheeler during his best year 1993 , obliterated him , Flex 1998 a shell of his former self goes up against an Olympia best Ronnie and Ronnie just narrowly beats him in one of the closest Olympia to this day , and Ronnie is supposed to beat Dorian?
Statistics say other wise
Have you seen the 93 O? I'm thinking no.
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I've come to realize that I don't really care about the subject any more. In my opinion Dorian is the greatest ever. Next one will disagree, the following after that agree. And round and round we go :-\
My opinion as well. As pure a bodybuilder as we've ever seen.
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Dorian ,Ronnie and IFBB judges ruined bodybuilding.
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wrong, Flex never competed against 01 ASC Ronnie. So we have no yardstick to measure how Ronnie would stack up against Dorian. You can try to connect the dots all you want "well, Flex was close to his prime in 93 but was off in 98 which was 3 years before the 01 ASC minus Flex divide by 3... blah blah blah." It doesn't matter. Since none of us saw them in person, we must defer to experts who did. Every single one of them says that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat any stage version of Dorian.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
Greg Merritt - Flex, April 2009
"I submit that the Ronnie Coleman version 2.0 we saw in four contests from the '98 Olympia to the '01 Arnold (weighing between 244 and 264) is the best combination of size, shape and striations in the history of bodybuilding."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
wrong, Flex never competed against 01 ASC Ronnie. So we have no yardstick to measure how Ronnie would stack up against Dorian. You can try to connect the dots all you want "well, Flex was close to his prime in 93 but was off in 98 which was 3 years before the 01 ASC minus Flex divide by 3... blah blah blah." It doesn't matter. Since none of us saw them in person, we must defer to experts who did. Every single one of them says that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat any stage version of Dorian.
Flex competed with Ronnie 1998 Olympia , what's the difference between Ronnie 1998 Olympia and 2001 ASC? he had no bitch tits at the Arnold , 98 O and 01 ASC are almost identical what's the difference? he was both bone dry and rock hard at 249 for the Olympia and 247 for the Arnold , I'm just DYING to hear your explanation on how he's better in 01 ;D I can't wait for this one
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
This quote is inaccurate STOP USING IT
As we do this interview, you'’re 10 weeks out. What do you weigh now and what do you aim to weigh on the day of the Olympia?
Right now, I'’m 305 pounds which is about what I was when I started my diet last year. I want to get the hardness and condition I had in 2003, and I will be lighter than at that show, maybe 10 pounds lighter maybe as much as 15 pounds lighter. Being real hard and full at 280 pounds will make me look real big.
We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever! unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?
I can't return to it. I tried to do it at the 2001 and 2002 Olympias and got in a heap of trouble. [In 2001 Jay Cutler was leading Coleman after the prejudging, and in 2002 Kevin Levrone nearly overcame a fading Coleman.] At that bodyweight, things went wrong with depleting and carbing up, so that physique is now part of history. I can'’t go back to that. I been and gone and done it. You have to move on. Things change what was the perfect car in 2001 is not the perfect car four years later
Put it context , it was Ronnie's best physique ever it was unbeatable compared to this guys he was competing with. They were specifically talking about how HE didn't look better heavier , has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates or his physique being better than every physique ever
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
That's been amended but you already know that ;) Ronnie 01ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia with no bitch tits
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
At least you got this one right this time instead of changing it and it doesn't matter it's his opinion and so is this ;)
Shawn Perine Ironage May 9 2009
Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.
Greg Merritt - Flex, April 2009
"I submit that the Ronnie Coleman version 2.0 we saw in four contests from the '98 Olympia to the '01 Arnold (weighing between 244 and 264) is the best combination of size, shape and striations in the history of bodybuilding."Of course, this is a subjective summation. It's fleeting, as well.
Oppsss forgot that part too didn't you? ;) he admits it's subjective and don't forget this from the same article
Taking all criteria into account, including his lasting impact, I believe Schwarzenegger is the all-time greatest
Sorry Ronnie
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
This has been answered many times , yes Dorian 1993/1995
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
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And Dorian wasn't competing when Ronnie was at his best was he? another quote that had to do with Ronnie's personal best and how he was unbeatable compared to the guys he was competing with HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates
To sum this up NONE of them are judges all of them are entitled to their opinion doesn't make it fact and Ronnie 2001 ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia without bitch tits
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opinion
opinion
You could have just stopped at "i disagree" and that would have been fine.
And what you typed isn't opinion?
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I've come to realize that I don't really care about the subject any more. In my opinion Dorian is the greatest ever. Next one will disagree, the following after that agree. And round and round we go :-\
Bingo.
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Have you seen the 93 O? I'm thinking no.
You know I was like you back in 1993 and I recall having this conversation with a two guys at the gym , how the fuck could Dorian beat Flex , I cried politics , and how Flex was robbed , etc , etc , etc
It bugged me so much I actually was motivated to research on how contests where judged and how they came to their conclusions and then I realized how wrong I was and how far ahead Dorian was and at that point I separated what I preferred to what actually wins , or what I think should win from what does win.
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Bingo.
I really don't care about the subject that much anymore either , hence why I walked away from the Truce Thread , it's trolls like Hulkster & Neo who still care hence why they are in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove he really , really was better than Dorian ;D and I have to admit I love making them two look like idiots , like exposing Neo and his worked quotes and his ignorance and his popular opinion and Hulkster and his retarded statements like Ronnie was overlooked by being called out NINE times and the symmetry round you hit mandatories LMFAO
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Whatever.I don't agree and my logic is sound, but i have no interest in fighting to the death over Dorian Yates, i made my point, i don't give enough of a fuck to defend it for 20 pages while you and ND counter with your opinions, which are no more right than anyone elses.
Cmon Groink we are just fooling about this is fun, me and you are cool 8), no need to get all stirred up, I really don't care that much either, lol, I know one thing you and I agree on though, this thread will go another 20 pages ;D
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Cmon Groink we are just fooling about this is fun, me and you are cool 8), no need to get all stirred up, I really don't care that much either, lol, I know one thing you and I agree on though, this thread will go another 20 pages ;D
It will go another 20 pages with guys claiming that popular opinion is a fact and Ronnie dominated Flex in 98 by winning by 3 points , and that Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times in the first round which isn't the symmetry round it's the muscularity round and guys crying how the pretty physiques should have won LMFAO I'm dealing with morons of course it will continue to go on-and-on
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It will go another 20 pages with guys claiming that popular opinion is a fact and Ronnie dominated Flex in 98 by winning by 3 points , and that Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times in the first round which isn't the symmetry round it's the muscularity round and guys crying how the pretty physiques should have won LMFAO I'm dealing with morons of course it will continue to go on-and-on
lmao ;D
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Flex competed with Ronnie 1998 Olympia , what's the difference between Ronnie 1998 Olympia and 2001 ASC? he had no bitch tits at the Arnold , 98 O and 01 ASC are almost identical what's the difference? he was both bone dry and rock hard at 249 for the Olympia and 247 for the Arnold , I'm just DYING to hear your explanation on how he's better in 01 I can't wait for this one
This quote is inaccurate STOP USING IT
As we do this interview, you'’re 10 weeks out. What do you weigh now and what do you aim to weigh on the day of the Olympia?
Right now, I'’m 305 pounds which is about what I was when I started my diet last year. I want to get the hardness and condition I had in 2003, and I will be lighter than at that show, maybe 10 pounds lighter maybe as much as 15 pounds lighter. Being real hard and full at 280 pounds will make me look real big.
We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever! unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?
I can't return to it. I tried to do it at the 2001 and 2002 Olympias and got in a heap of trouble. [In 2001 Jay Cutler was leading Coleman after the prejudging, and in 2002 Kevin Levrone nearly overcame a fading Coleman.] At that bodyweight, things went wrong with depleting and carbing up, so that physique is now part of history. I can'’t go back to that. I been and gone and done it. You have to move on. Things change what was the perfect car in 2001 is not the perfect car four years later
Put it context , it was Ronnie's best physique ever it was unbeatable compared to this guys he was competing with. They were specifically talking about how HE didn't look better heavier , has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates or his physique being better than every physique ever
That's been amended but you already know that Ronnie 01ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia with no bitch tits
At least you got this one right this time instead of changing it and it doesn't matter it's his opinion and so is this
Shawn Perine Ironage May 9 2009
Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.
Oppsss forgot that part too didn't you?he admits it's subjective and don't forget this from the same article
Taking all criteria into account, including his lasting impact, I believe Schwarzenegger is the all-time greatest
Sorry Ronnie
This has been answered many times , yes Dorian 1993/1995
And Dorian wasn't competing when Ronnie was at his best was he? another quote that had to do with Ronnie's personal best and how he was unbeatable compared to the guys he was competing with HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates
To sum this up NONE of them are judges all of them are entitled to their opinion doesn't make it fact and Ronnie 2001 ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia without bitch tits
were you there at the 01 ASC? No, you weren't. Your fanboy opinion means nothing compared to the expert testimony from those who are paid for a living to attend bodybuilding shows and write reviews. Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, Greg Merritt, and Jim Stoppani all said Ronnie's physique at the 01 ASC was the best ever onstage. You can try to twist the quotes around and distort the truth all you want but they explicitly say that version of Ronnie can only be touched by a precontest Dorian.
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Dorian ,Ronnie and IFBB judges ruined bodybuilding.
Haha, i'm probably the only other person on this board who has said this. 8)
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I really don't care about the subject that much anymore either , hence why I walked away from the Truce Thread , it's trolls like Hulkster & Neo who still care hence why they are in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove he really , really was better than Dorian ;D and I have to admit I love making them two look like idiots , like exposing Neo and his worked quotes and his ignorance and his popular opinion and Hulkster and his retarded statements like Ronnie was overlooked by being called out NINE times and the symmetry round you hit mandatories LMFAO
There's nothing I like more than rubbing Hulkster's nose in it too.
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Haha, i'm probably the only other person on this board who has said this. 8)
Yeah you're real original ::) especially since you've joined 2 years ago
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Yeah you're real original especially since you've joined 2 years ago
lighten up, brah. You take oiled men in thongs way too seriously. Everyone else is joking around except you
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Yeah you're real original ::) especially since you've joined 2 years ago
Who said anything about being original? Just bonding with a brother in arms and fighting schmoe tyranny. (no homo). :P :-*
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Who said anything about being original? Just bonding with a brother in arms and fighting schmoe tyranny. (no homo). :P :-*
lmao says the guy crying about how the pretty physiques need to win :-X ;D
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And what you typed isn't opinion?
Partially. I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.
and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts
I did disagree with you opinion that they are connected in some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me
one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.
Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.
The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?
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lighten up, brah. You take oiled men in thongs way too seriously. Everyone else is joking around except you
Have you ever seen me call someone a ' dirty Mexican '? ;) out of the two of us sport you have a lot more emotionally invested in this than me , I walked away from these debates you can't
Where are you Neo? yeah I thought so and Dorian never wore a thing , Ronnie started that trend :-X
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were you there at the 01 ASC? No, you weren't. Your fanboy opinion means nothing compared to the expert testimony from those who are paid for a living to attend bodybuilding shows and write reviews. Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, Greg Merritt, and Jim Stoppani all said Ronnie's physique at the 01 ASC was the best ever onstage. You can try to twist the quotes around and distort the truth all you want but they explicitly say that version of Ronnie can only be touched by a precontest Dorian.
The irony of this statement ! you're the same guy who dismissed these guys when they said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian, OH but now you need them to be right when it suits your point of view and you're the same genius who insisted that if you believe one of their quotes than you're bound to now agree with every single statement they make ::)
remember this gem?
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Again YOU just got busted playing with quotes not me sport ;) once again you tried to follow my lead and fell flat on your face
And try this one for size sport , Joe Weider , Shawn Ray and others all said 1998 is the best Ronnie ever looked they are all experts , blah , blah , blah , oh wait they said something that contradicts what the other ' experts ' said how can this be? ??? ??? Oh no maybe everyone has a differing opinion and that doesn't make it a fact and the ONLY opinions on the matter is judges when you have 12 judges saying Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat any version of Dorian then you'd have something but as usual you don't have anything except your ignorant opinion ;) the difference between our opinions , is mine is well researched and yours is NOT mines is unbiased and yours is NOT , mines is based on criteria and yours on popular opinion
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First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Neo the politician , on the one hand calls Peter McGough an ' expert ' and on the other he's an ' idiot ' wait what? Neo was caught contradicting himself yet again? ;D
Make up your mind Neo is this guy an ' expert ' or ' idiot ' OH I see when he contradicts your fanboy assessment he's an idiot and when he agrees with you he's an ' expert ' hypocrite much?
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Partially. I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.
and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts
I did disagree with you opinion that they are connected in some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me
one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.
Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.
The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?
Partially. I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.
and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts
Okay you'll get no argument from me , the right guy won in both cases. But because Flex was favored that means what? he got the first callout? another fact is it was a close contest the winner & the loser were separated by just 3 points and when Flex competed against Dorian it wasn't close at all. I don't think it's a stretch to say we could gauge how a career best Olympia Ronnie would fair against a career best Olympia Dorian base how they compared to Flex
I did disagree with you opinion that they are connected in some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me
I don't go nuclear on anyone who doesn't agree , I go nuclear on trolls who follow me around spouting nonsense about how Ronnie was overlooked in the first round , yet he got compared nine times in the first round , and then continue to post pictures from the muscularity round round and claim he's getting destroyed in the symmetry round. And Neo knowingly omitting parts of quotes to make it appears to say what he wants or saying one minute the guy and an expert than the next he;s an idiot
One thing I have learned about this subject early on is it's subjective and everyone has an opinion and there are no wrong or right ones when comparing two guys from ' different eras ' but if you're gonna spout off like you know what you're talking about you better be prepared or else you're gonna get called out on it and there is a point where it isn't my opinion that is right but the facts are
one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.
I'm not sure if Flex improved from 1998 , Ronnie did dominate him in 1999 despite the fact he thought he won and so did Shawn Ray. But Ronnie was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 99. ;D
Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.
The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?
I think you're confusing me with Onetime he mentioned something about a 10 , Dorian got straight firsts in 1993 which is all 5's in fact he was so dominate and so far ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't need to include him in the muscularity round , they seen enough ( in the first round Hulkster the ' symmetry ' round )
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I'm not sure if Flex improved from 1998 , Ronnie did dominate him in 1999 despite the fact he thought he won and so did Shawn Ray. But Ronnie was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 99. ;D
Exactly why Dorian won in 97.
Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.
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Exactly why Dorian won in 97.
Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.
Nasser lost because he had no back.
HTH.
Great front + no back < Decent front + outstanding back
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The best ever ::) opened the door for the likes of Branch Warren ,Ronnie Coleman ..............etc.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jG0qgVbkhQE/T8Rcs4hpfxI/AAAAAAAACMM/joLQM4Lk3kM/s1600/vlcsnap-00027.jpg)
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one of my fav dorian pics
(http://www.fisiculturismo.com.br/newsletters/imagens/dorian_yates_05.jpg)
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Exactly why Dorian won in 97.
Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.
You missed my point
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Have you ever seen me call someone a ' dirty Mexican '? out of the two of us sport you have a lot more emotionally invested in this than me , I walked away from these debates you can't
Where are you Neo? yeah I thought so and Dorian never wore a thing , Ronnie started that trend
poor ND, still bringing up the past b/c he can't face the present :-\
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The irony of this statement ! you're the same guy who dismissed these guys when they said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian, OH but now you need them to be right when it suits your point of view and you're the same genius who insisted that if you believe one of their quotes than you're bound to now agree with every single statement they make
remember this gem?
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Again YOU just got busted playing with quotes not me sport once again you tried to follow my lead and fell flat on your face
And try this one for size sport , Joe Weider , Shawn Ray and others all said 1998 is the best Ronnie ever looked they are all experts , blah , blah , blah , oh wait they said something that contradicts what the other ' experts ' said how can this be? Oh no maybe everyone has a differing opinion and that doesn't make it a fact and the ONLY opinions on the matter is judges when you have 12 judges saying Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat any version of Dorian then you'd have something but as usual you don't have anything except your ignorant opinion the difference between our opinions , is mine is well researched and yours is NOT mines is unbiased and yours is NOT , mines is based on criteria and yours on popular opinion
lol, learn to read. I never disagreed with Peter McGough. I disagreed with your interpretation of his quote. He said Ronnie was "never harder or drier." If you go back and re-read the Truce thread, you will see I never disputed this. What I said is that 01 ASC Ronnie carried less body fat and had more fullness than Dorian. Ronnie may have been equally, if not more, conditioned than Dorian but he was never less conditioned according to your interpretation of McGough's quote. Anything else you would like me to correct you on?
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lol, learn to read. I never disagreed with Peter McGough. I disagreed with your interpretation of his quote. He said Ronnie was "never harder or drier." If you go back and re-read the Truce thread, you will see I never disputed this. What I said is that 01 ASC Ronnie carried less body fat and had more fullness than Dorian. Ronnie may have been equally, if not more, conditioned than Dorian but he was never less conditioned according to your interpretation of McGough's quote. Anything else you would like me to correct you on?
Dorian didn't have any fat on him...neither did Ronnie. It's down to skin type and water levels at that level...
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Dorian didn't have any fat on him...neither did Ronnie. It's down to skin type and water levels at that level..
Dorian had very thin skin which gave him that vacuum-sealed look. He admitted this in an interview. It's also evident in pics of him when he was younger. His back always had separations and striations even when he started lifting weights
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Mike Matarazzo's take on Ronnie and Dorian after the 1998
Olympia.
M.M. competed in 91, 93, 96-97 Mr. O's.
I think this creature from another planet, Coleman, is going to
be number one for awhile. He would have beat Dorian Yates in the shape he was in.
Ronnie has every single attribute to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.
I'm a very hard guy to impress. Ronnie has muscle bellies and striations jumping out
all over the place!
Not to degrade Flex, but Ronnie is just leaps and bounds above
everybody in the sport right now.
(My 2 cents)
Bodybuilding is very subjective but the 1993 prejudging version
of Dorian is the best version. His legs had thinned out by the night show
but he had everything going on at PJ including two pretty good arms.
Ronnie is a better bodybuilder but Dorian presented himself much better
which is a big part of judging.
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poor ND, still bringing up the past b/c he can't face the present :-\
More irony from you who is in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying so hard to make everyone believe Ronnie is better than Dorian , keep trying sport maybe you'll get the hang of it.
lol, learn to read. I never disagreed with Peter McGough. I disagreed with your interpretation of his quote. He said Ronnie was "never harder or drier." If you go back and re-read the Truce thread, you will see I never disputed this. What I said is that 01 ASC Ronnie carried less body fat and had more fullness than Dorian. Ronnie may have been equally, if not more, conditioned than Dorian but he was never less conditioned according to your interpretation of McGough's quote. Anything else you would like me to correct you on?
LMFAO still don't get it , still trying to play with words because you can't admit as usual you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. You never answered the question ( typical of you ) Which is he an ' expert ' or ' idiot ' ? ???
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More irony from you who is in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying so hard to make everyone believe Ronnie is better than Dorian , keep trying sport maybe you'll get the hang of it.
ironic coming from you who types novels for posts and has meltdowns when someone exposes his lies ;)
Flex competed with Ronnie 1998 Olympia , what's the difference between Ronnie 1998 Olympia and 2001 ASC? he had no bitch tits at the Arnold , 98 O and 01 ASC are almost identical what's the difference? he was both bone dry and rock hard at 249 for the Olympia and 247 for the Arnold , I'm just DYING to hear your explanation on how he's better in 01 I can't wait for this one
This quote is inaccurate STOP USING IT
As we do this interview, you'’re 10 weeks out. What do you weigh now and what do you aim to weigh on the day of the Olympia?
Right now, I'’m 305 pounds which is about what I was when I started my diet last year. I want to get the hardness and condition I had in 2003, and I will be lighter than at that show, maybe 10 pounds lighter maybe as much as 15 pounds lighter. Being real hard and full at 280 pounds will make me look real big.
We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever! unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?
I can't return to it. I tried to do it at the 2001 and 2002 Olympias and got in a heap of trouble. [In 2001 Jay Cutler was leading Coleman after the prejudging, and in 2002 Kevin Levrone nearly overcame a fading Coleman.] At that bodyweight, things went wrong with depleting and carbing up, so that physique is now part of history. I can'’t go back to that. I been and gone and done it. You have to move on. Things change what was the perfect car in 2001 is not the perfect car four years later
Put it context , it was Ronnie's best physique ever it was unbeatable compared to this guys he was competing with. They were specifically talking about how HE didn't look better heavier , has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates or his physique being better than every physique ever
That's been amended but you already know that Ronnie 01ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia with no bitch tits
At least you got this one right this time instead of changing it and it doesn't matter it's his opinion and so is this
Shawn Perine Ironage May 9 2009
Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.
Oppsss forgot that part too didn't you?he admits it's subjective and don't forget this from the same article
Taking all criteria into account, including his lasting impact, I believe Schwarzenegger is the all-time greatest
Sorry Ronnie
This has been answered many times , yes Dorian 1993/1995
And Dorian wasn't competing when Ronnie was at his best was he? another quote that had to do with Ronnie's personal best and how he was unbeatable compared to the guys he was competing with HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates
To sum this up NONE of them are judges all of them are entitled to their opinion doesn't make it fact and Ronnie 2001 ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia without bitch tits
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@ Neo bitching about comparisons not being accurate LMFAO
You should have not come back puppy because now your nose is getting shoved in your own shit all over again
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I'm worried about you, Narc. You take this forum way too seriously. The only other poster I've seen who was worse than you is Sucky and we all saw what happened to him :-\
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I'm worried about you, Narc. You take this forum way too seriously. The only other poster I've seen who was worse than you is Sucky and we all saw what happened to him :-\
Ironically you were the one who called him the ' Dirty Mexican ' you're worried about if Ronnie could beat Dorian that's all you worry about and following me into another thread 8)
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ironic coming from you who types novels for posts and has meltdowns when someone exposes his lies ;)
Again so is he an ' expert ' or ' idiot ' ? you keep avoiding the question , I wonder why ;D
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All i know is Dorian had some weird looking legs. calves were too big, and the muscles in his quads looked deformed......they weren't in the right place.
His entire lower body doesn't match the judging criteria. it's out of proportion, lacks symmetry and lacks definition. The only thing they did match was that they were big and hard, everything his legs fall flat.
I'm surprised this isn't talked about more, the first time I saw a picture of Dorian Yates i thought.."what the hell is wrong with his legs ?, they look like melted plastic" oh...and "why is his stomach so big?" ;D
This is what championship legs are supposed to look like, notice the difference
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i would rather look like you and a few guys here on this sight than dorian ... . The guy did NOT look good, ever since I saw him as a kid the only thing that impressed me was his back. He worked with what he had though, but definitely did not have a physique most would aspire to. Just looked sloppy
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All i know is Dorian had some weird looking legs. calves were too big, and the muscles in his quads looked deformed......they weren't in the right place.
His entire lower body doesn't match the judging criteria. it's out of proportion, lacks symmetry and lacks definition. The only thing they did match was that they were big and hard, everything his legs fall flat.
I'm surprised this isn't talked about more, the first time I saw a picture of Dorian Yates i thought.."what the hell is wrong with his legs ?, they look like melted plastic" oh...and "why is his stomach so big?" ;D
This is what championship legs are supposed to look like, notice the difference
Troll on you fit right in with Neo and Hulkster :D
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Troll on you fit right in with Neo and Hulkster :D
Ha Ha Ha....it's been slow. i figure why not ;D
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how does dorian have a slin gut but his muscle looked so much harder than today's guys?
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i would rather look like you and a few guys here on this sight than dorian ... . The guy did NOT look good, ever since I saw him as a kid the only thing that impressed me was his back. He worked with what he had though, but definitely did not have a physique most would aspire to. Just looked sloppy
That's a bit harsh. Dorian is one of the greatest BBers ever, i just don't agree with the judging criteria that he seemed to usher in, where conditioned mass is favored over everything else.
I mean, ND and a few others will disagree, but what i posted about his legs is dead on. They are not proportioned, his calves are too big , they are not symmetrical..one is different from the other ,and the muscles in his quads look strange, they aren't where they are supposed to be. and they are not separated at all.....you cannot see the "quad" muscles like you can with every other guy. and they don't look good in almost all of the mandatories
BUT...they are big and granite-hard...so he wins.
It's not his fault, it's the judging criteria. I would take flex Wheeler over him any day of the week. Yup, flex doesn't carry nearly as much conditioned mass as Dorian, but he fits the TRUE judging criteria better, if you consider all things equally, and not give unbalanced weight to size and conditioning.
and i'm not a "lines" guy...frank zane was an overrated twink in my book
The only pose that Dorian wins over flex in my book is the rear lat spread, because Flex is not nearly as wide, and his lower back and glutes suffer badly next to yates
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;D ;D
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:) :) :)
Good shot of Ronnie , not so good shot of Dorian
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Good shot of Ronnie , not so good shot of Dorian
Ronnie still wins that pose and back is suppose to be Dorian's strong point. Dorian has small, uneven arms, less back thickness (in that particular shot), and his lower half is less conditioned than Ronnie. If Ronnie looks like he was etched with a razor, Dorian looks like someone mashed dough with a rolling pin
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how does dorian have a slin gut but his muscle looked so much harder than today's guys?
His muscles looked much harder than the guys of his era also.
A lot of people think it's because he got drier than anyone else
but only partly correct. One of Dorian's greatest genetic traits
was that he had ultra thin skin. Take Paul Dillett when he cramped at the 1994
Arnold. He was probably drier than most bodybuilders at anytime BUT
he still was not going to get that granite look that Dorian had.
Take Victor Martinez for example. It's not that the guy has not tried like hell
to get into shredded shape like Heath, prime Dexter, ect. Unfortunately, the
guy has some of the thickest skin of the top pros. His shape, structure, round muscle bellies
and decent condition has taken him very far though.
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His muscles looked much harder than the guys of his era also.
A lot of people think it's because he got drier than anyone else
but only partly correct. One of Dorian's greatest genetic traits
was that he had ultra thin skin. Take Paul Dillett when he cramped at the 1994
Arnold. He was probably drier than most bodybuilders at anytime BUT
he still was not going to get that granite look that Dorian had.
Take Victor Martinez for example. It's not that the guy has not tried like hell
to get into shredded shape like Heath, prime Dexter, ect. Unfortunately, the
guy has some of the thickest skin of the top pros. His shape, structure, round muscle bellies
and decent condition has taken him very far though.
That's why I think Dorian had the greatest genetics for bodybuilding. Great balance, size and structural proportion, genetically thin skin and large calves (things you have or you don't), logical thinker, good response to drugs, and extremely dedicated.
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That's why I think Dorian had the greatest genetics for bodybuilding. Great balance, size and structural proportion, genetically thin skin and large calves (things you have or you don't), logical thinker, good response to drugs, and extremely dedicated.
no doubt. I think if Dorian never injured himself and dieted smarter instead of burning off muscle before a show, he could have had the greatest physique ever. Unfortunately, history played out differently. Ronnie pushed his physique further but I think Dorian had more potential for the reasons you stated
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dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.
but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.
Dorian is winning that RLS and appears drier and harder in the BDB
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All i know is Dorian had some weird looking legs. calves were too big, and the muscles in his quads looked deformed......they weren't in the right place.
His entire lower body doesn't match the judging criteria. it's out of proportion, lacks symmetry and lacks definition. The only thing they did match was that they were big and hard, everything his legs fall flat.
I'm surprised this isn't talked about more, the first time I saw a picture of Dorian Yates i thought.."what the hell is wrong with his legs ?, they look like melted plastic" oh...and "why is his stomach so big?" ;D
This is what championship legs are supposed to look like, notice the difference
Are you saying that these legs aren't perfect in every way? Silly man.
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Ronnie still wins that pose and back is suppose to be Dorian's strong point. Dorian has small, uneven arms, less back thickness (in that particular shot), and his lower half is less conditioned than Ronnie. If Ronnie looks like he was etched with a razor, Dorian looks like someone mashed dough with a rolling pin
I'm sure you believe this , I find the he has less back thickness part very funny ;D especially considering you're commenting on whose back is thicker via a 2D photo ;D fantastic ability you have there ::) a 247 pound Ronnie has a thicker back than a 260 pound Dorian because I looked at two photos LMMFAO kid you never cease to make me laugh
This is Ronnie and Dorian side-by-side , Dorian's arms don't look so small to they? both are 250lbs Dorian probably 255 because this is 1996 , ironically Ronnie 2001 would appear just like this next to Dorian albeit in much better condition but as far as dimensions this is the reality of the situation , now Ronnie next to Dorian 1995 the difference would be greater and Dorian precontest 1993? forget about it
Only in your fantasy comparisons does Ronnie make Dorian look small
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That picture is the one that should adjust people's thinking a bit, unless they can't comprehend it.
Seeing pics of Ronnie/Dorian by themselves, Coleman does appear much bigger. Scale is lost, but that picture finds it.
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the pics of yates and ronnie side by side,are the reason i believe only the 2003 ronnie would have a chance of beating yates,because in 2003 he would have been more massive,what has been sighted as ronnies best condition by most,either the 98 olympia or his arnold victory,while being the best conditioned for coleman,he would not have been as conditioned as yates,coming in dry and hard was yates forte,no one came in that dry and hard,so the only chance ronnie woulkd have had was in 2003,when he was two ninety something,and still reasonably conditioned,and oner more thing yates quads were always more seperated than ronnies.
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That's a bit harsh. Dorian is one of the greatest BBers ever, i just don't agree with the judging criteria that he seemed to usher in, where conditioned mass is favored over everything else.
I mean, ND and a few others will disagree, but what i posted about his legs is dead on. They are not proportioned, his calves are too big , they are not symmetrical..one is different from the other ,and the muscles in his quads look strange, they aren't where they are supposed to be. and they are not separated at all.....you cannot see the "quad" muscles like you can with every other guy. and they don't look good in almost all of the mandatories
BUT...they are big and granite-hard...so he wins.
It's not his fault, it's the judging criteria. I would take flex Wheeler over him any day of the week. Yup, flex doesn't carry nearly as much conditioned mass as Dorian, but he fits the TRUE judging criteria better, if you consider all things equally, and not give unbalanced weight to size and conditioning.
and i'm not a "lines" guy...frank zane was an overrated twink in my book
The only pose that Dorian wins over flex in my book is the rear lat spread, because Flex is not nearly as wide, and his lower back and glutes suffer badly next to yates
ok, please do not take this offensive at all, no disrespect intended. Your discription and assessment is an accurate one from a fan base point of view but way off from the ifbb judging point of view, let me explain, first of all to the IFBB judges there is no such thing as Calves being to big for your legs, NO SUCH THING, in fact Dorian got rewarded for his calves, never got docked for them being to big, again this is from the judges eyes, not from a fans opinion cause I actually agree with you that his calves where bigger then his legs (proportions).
Next,... we have the flaws you mentioned, true, very true, but the ones that have what Dorian is missing are a dime a dozen and what Dorian has that everyone else is missing is 1 in a million, Granite hard muscles is the single most important feature in bodybuilding to the judges cause it is a very rare occurance on stage which is the reason why they keep rewarding someone like Branch, cause his grainyness, what he lacks is common but what he has is uncommon and Dorian is yet way more grainy then Branch, again this is what's best in the judges eyes only, someone like you has a different view, fair enough.
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I'm sure you believe this , I find the he has less back thickness part very funny especially considering you're commenting on whose back is thicker via a 2D photo fantastic ability you have there a 247 pound Ronnie has a thicker back than a 260 pound Dorian because I looked at two photos LMMFAO kid you never cease to make me laugh
lol @ you pretending it's impossible to tell thickness from a pic. There is a thing called shading that artists use to make a 2D picture have depth. Looking at pics of Ronnie and Dorian, Ronnie has more back thickness in the rear double biceps pose. Whereas Dorian's back looks like a 2D anatomy chart, Ronnie's looks like a walking anatomy chart with nooks and crevices between individual muscles.
This is Ronnie and Dorian side-by-side , Dorian's arms don't look so small to they? both are 250lbs Dorian probably 255 because this is 1996 , ironically Ronnie 2001 would appear just like this next to Dorian albeit in much better condition but as far as dimensions this is the reality of the situation , now Ronnie next to Dorian 1995 the difference would be greater and Dorian precontest 1993? forget about it
look again. Someone edited the two of them together. You can clearly see a line down the middle where someone cropped the pic.
Only in your fantasy comparisons does Ronnie make Dorian look small
try again, kiddo. The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size ;)
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."
John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review
"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."
http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."
Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
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lol @ you pretending it's impossible to tell thickness from a pic. There is a thing called shading that artists use to make a 2D picture have depth. Looking at pics of Ronnie and Dorian, Ronnie has more back thickness in the rear double biceps pose. Whereas Dorian's back looks like a 2D anatomy chart, Ronnie's looks like a walking anatomy chart with nooks and crevices between individual muscles.
look again. Someone edited the two of them together. You can clearly see a line down the middle where someone cropped the pic.
try again, kiddo. The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size ;)
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."
John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review
"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."
http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."
Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
lol @ you pretending it's impossible to tell thickness from a pic. There is a thing called shading that artists use to make a 2D picture have depth. Looking at pics of Ronnie and Dorian, Ronnie has more back thickness in the rear double biceps pose. Whereas Dorian's back looks like a 2D anatomy chart, Ronnie's looks like a walking anatomy chart with nooks and crevices between individual muscles.
It is impossible to tell who is thicker via 2D pictures absolutely. And there is this thing thta's called shading that artists use to make a 2D picture APPEAR to have depth. You under NO circumstances tell whose back is thicker by two separate photos
look again. Someone edited the two of them together. You can clearly see a line down the middle where someone cropped the pic.
It actually was edited HOWEVER this is both of them on-stage at the same time at the same contest , why it was edited is because Dorian hit the shot first and then relaxed and Ronnie hit it right after. That pic is more accurate than anything you ever posted because it's both of them live and on-stage at the same time. Albeit Ronnie isn't his best and neither is Dorian but what this does is give us a more accurate depiction of reality when Ronnie is at 250lbs and so is Dorian , that is how Ronnie 2001 would look next to just Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia nevermind Dorian precontest at 269lbs
try again, kiddo. The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size ;)
Neo this has NOTHING to do with Ronnie at his best 2001 ASC or 1998 Mr Olympia you know 247/249lbs. Ronnie at his best wouldn't make Dorian look small at all and even Ronnie at heavier weights would have a size advantage but fall apart on density & dryness and balance & proportion
Neo this is them both on the same stage at the same time both 250lbs or so no edit Dorian would crush Ronnie at his best and that's not Dorian precontest either. The other pic was made to make it more fair to Ronnie because he didn't hit the pose yet and it was demolished either way
Sorry Neo Ronnie at 247lbs isn't touching Yates at his best
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Poor ND, caught in another one of his lies. Here is the original video - not the stretched version you keep using ;)
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Poor ND, caught in another one of his lies. Here is the original video - not the stretched version you keep using ;)
Sigh...
A. Slightly different positions, Dorian in yours is turned, in ND's he's facing the camera square.
B. Both people are stretched. Its not like Dorian is carrying some advantage from the stretched image that Ronnie isnt (In the above pic)
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ok, please do not take this offensive at all, no disrespect intended. Your discription and assessment is an accurate one from a fan base point of view but way off from the ifbb judging point of view, let me explain, first of all to the IFBB judges there is no such thing as Calves being to big for your legs, NO SUCH THING, in fact Dorian got rewarded for his calves, never got docked for them being to big, again this is from the judges eyes, not from a fans opinion cause I actually agree with you that his calves where bigger then his legs (proportions).
Next,... we have the flaws you mentioned, true, very true, but the ones that have what Dorian is missing are a dime a dozen and what Dorian has that everyone else is missing is 1 in a million, Granite hard muscles is the single most important feature in bodybuilding to the judges cause it is a very rare occurance on stage which is the reason why they keep rewarding someone like Branch, cause his grainyness, what he lacks is common but what he has is uncommon and Dorian is yet way more grainy then Branch, again this is what's best in the judges eyes only, someone like you has a different view, fair enough.
No disrespect to you either dude, it's all good. But you basically said the same thing i did. The difference being you agree with it and i don't.
he IFBB judging "point of view" should be to use the judging criteria, which is very clear, to the letter....., and they don't. They shouldn't be making up there own set of rules as they go along, and rewarding conditioned mass over everything else.
Branch Warren...."grainy" ? you have seen him from the back right? the word "Nasser" comes to mind more than grainy
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Poor ND, caught in another one of his lies. Here is the original video - not the stretched version you keep using ;)
oh boy this is your response? those pic I posted were from the first time that video was posted so don't blame me and second NOTHING changes Neo at all Dorian is still bigger and wider despite being about 5lbs heavier
Nothing changes Dorian would make Ronnie at his best look small , soft and mismatched parts
Neo this was where that video was from and it was posted well before the other so keep trying bro
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Sigh...
A. Slightly different positions, Dorian in yours is turned, in ND's he's facing the camera square.
B. Both people are stretched. Its not like Dorian is carrying some advantage from the stretched image that Ronnie isnt (In the above pic)
That's Neo looking for anything to pay me back for because I just busted him using quotes he took out of context
Great point , both are stretched and NOTHING changes
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Compare Dorian in the 96 grand prix to this and tell me the system is legit.
I don't think that i have ever seen a picture of Dorian where he didn't look like a bag of smashed assholes.
92 was his last good year and Labrada and Kevin beat him there.
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Sigh...
A. Slightly different positions, Dorian in yours is turned, in ND's he's facing the camera square.
B. Both people are stretched. Its not like Dorian is carrying some advantage from the stretched image that Ronnie isnt (In the above pic)
A. Both are closer to hitting the pose compared to ND's screencap where Dorian's hands are clasped and Ronnie's in mid-pose
B. The stretched pic favors Dorian b/c it adds things that aren't really there. Dorian's legs actually look impressive in ND's pic but as you can see, they don't look anywhere near that in the real pic
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Oh boy this is your response? those pic I posted were from the first time that video was posted so don't blame me and second NOTHING changes Neo at all Dorian is still bigger and wider despite being about 5lbs heavier
Nothing changes Dorian would make Ronnie at his best look small , soft and mismatched parts
Neo this was where that video was from and it was posted well before the other so keep trying bro
poor little, ND. Caught in another lie but instead of apologizing, you go on the offensive like it's somehow our fault. You sound just like Sucky in the call out thread. I'm worried about you, brah :-\
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poor little, ND. Caught in another lie but instead of apologizing, you go on the offensive like it's somehow our fault. You sound just like Sucky in the call out thread. I'm worried about you, brah :-\
What lie? ??? I posted a screencap from the original video , check the dates kid. ;)
And Neo what changes? NOTHING both are stretched and Dorian is still wider and bigger despite a 5 lbs difference in the end you're looking to stray away from these facts ;)
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A. Both are closer to hitting the pose compared to ND's screencap where Dorian's hands are clasped and Ronnie's in mid-pose
B. The stretched pic favors Dorian b/c it adds things that aren't really there. Dorian's legs actually look impressive in ND's pic but as you can see, they don't look anywhere near that in the real pic
It was already explained to you someone made that side-by-side to favor Ronnie because he wasn't hitting the pose , he put them side-by-side hitting the same shot and Dorian smokes him much in the same way he would Ronnie 2001
LMFAO either pic favors Dorian BOTH are stretched same result either way
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ND, come back to reality :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473349;image)
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ND, come back to reality :-\
This is reality kid and this is how a 247lb Ronnie would look like next to Dorian ;)
nothing changes Neo , keep fishing
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neo getting owned all over the place, just saying (and trolling) (no homo)
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neo getting owned all over the place, just saying (and trolling) (no homo)
As usual ;D tried to say the video you posted wasn't the original , when you posted yours in 2010 and the other one was last month LMFAO
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This is reality kid and this is how a 247lb Ronnie would look like next to Dorian
1) that's not 01 ASC Ronnie. Even if both versions of Ronnie weighed the same, their conditioning are different
2) they are not hitting the same pose in the pic. Ronnie's arms are outstretched and Dorian's hands are clasped
3) Dorian was heavier than normal b/c it was after the Mr. Olympia. So he was bigger than the 93/95 Mr Olympia
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As usual ;D tried to say the video you posted wasn't the original , when you posted yours in 2010 and the other one was last month LMFAO
i know, i ripped it straight from the blood and guts dvd. if there was any stretching i didnt do it.
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1) that's not 01 ASC Ronnie. Even if both versions of Ronnie weighed the same, their conditioning are different
2) they are not hitting the same pose in the pic. Ronnie's arms are outstretched and Dorian's hands are clasped
3) Dorian was heavier than normal b/c it was after the Mr. Olympia. So he was bigger than the 93/95 Mr Olympia
1) NO shit it's already been addressed I conceded Ronnie would be around the same size with better conditioning
2) NO shit again already been addressed as well , hence why I posted the comparison of them side-by-side hitting the post fully and Dorian still smokes him , you dejected bitched about me NOT using the original and it was the video you posted ago isn't ;)
3) I love this assertion with NO proof what so ever , he's bigger because Neo says so ::)
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neo getting owned all over the place, just saying (and trolling) (no homo)
where did I get owned? lol
was it the part where I beat ND at the quote game?
was it the part when I showed the experts ND loves to quote even disagree with him?
was it the part where I exposed ND's lies?
how about when I caused ND to meltdown?
was it when I called out ND for making horribly biased comparisons with Dorian looking 10 ft tall next to Ronnie?
was it the part when I corrected ND after he used stretched pics of Dorian?
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i know, i ripped it straight from the blood and guts dvd. if there was any stretching i didnt do it.
I didn't accuse you or ND of stretching the pic. All I did was call out ND for purposely using a stretched photo that he knows isn't representative of how Dorian actually looked. I even posted the accurate video representation of that contest and ND still went on the offensive instead of apologize
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delta, how much did Dorian weigh at the 96 German GP?
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I didn't accuse you or ND of stretching the pic. All I did was call out ND for purposely using a stretched photo that he knows isn't representative of how Dorian actually looked. I even posted the accurate video representation of that contest and ND still went on the offensive instead of apologize
No you accused me of being caught in ' another lie ' again running man WHAT LIE? you accused me of not using the original , when in fact I did and the one you posted was added last month ;) backfire Neo? you don't like when your own shit gets thrown back in your face do you? ;D
I have nothing to apologize for because all I did is post a screen cap that SOMEONE else made from the original jackass , Neo you should not have come back for more now you're getting owned again LMFAO ;D
It's stretched photo of Dorian AND Ronnie both are stretched and it still changes nothing , YOU fail on all levels
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delta, how much did Dorian weigh at the 96 German GP?
Dorian said he weighed 255lbs at the 1996 Olympia and Dorian usually lost weight after the Olympia in the GP , see 94 where he was 262 at the Olympia and dropped to 249lbs for the GPs
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Neo imagine Dorian at his best next to Ronnie at 247lbs hehehehehehe
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delta, how much did Dorian weigh at the 96 German GP?
approx 260 (give or take, i wouldnt say he was more than that). 255-257 in 95 and they say a flat Yates was 257 or 260 at the Olympia and obviously filled out for the gp shows. im not going to lie about the weights, it really doesnt matter. Yates wins, hth.
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approx 260 (give or take, i wouldnt say he was more than that). 255-257 in 95 and they say a flat Yates was 257 or 260 at the Olympia and obviously filled out for the gp shows. im not going to lie about the weights, it really doesnt matter. Yates wins, hth
so ND is comparing a heavier-than-normal Dorian to a less conditioned Ronnie and arguing this is how a more conditioned Ronnie would look next to Dorian at his peak (93/95 Mr. Olympia)?
Can you help me see the logic here? ???
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so ND is comparing a heavier-than-normal Dorian to a less conditioned Ronnie and arguing this is how a more conditioned Ronnie would look next to Dorian at his peak (93/95 Mr. Olympia)?
Can you help me see the logic here? ???
heavier than normal? he competed at around 257/260lbs please explain how this is heavier than normal?
And Neo it's not about the conditioning , it's about the size , width , even in the stretched pic Dorian looks a lot wider than Ronnie in the clavicles than Ronnie , and that's NOT Dorian ( or Ronnie ) at his best either , the discrepancy would be much greater if it were an in shape 247 pound Ronnie compared to a 269lb Dorian or even Dorian from the 1995 Olympia or 1993
Ronnie sums it up nicely
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
Dorian has a big physique-hard and He's a big guy and has a lot going for him
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Neo imagine Dorian at his best next to Ronnie at 247lbs hehehehehehe
lol, is that all you got? 01 ASC Ronnie would make a precontest Dorian look like a mess. Here he is next to a contest-ready Dorian. Now imagine how smooth and unrefined Dorian would look at 3 weeks out
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Kev Horton said the best Yates was a few weeks before the Olympia. Kev would know. just saying. Dorian always overdieted a tad to come in hardest and most shredded, losing a touch of size. no big deal, he always won.
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lol, is that all you got? 01 ASC Ronnie would make a precontest Dorian look like a mess. Here he is next to a contest-ready Dorian. Now imagine how smooth and unrefined Dorian would look at 3 weeks out
Another fantasy comparison
Peter McGough, FLEX, 2004:
"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and conditioned as the man who won six Sandows."
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.
Reality Neo
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We'll even use your oversharpened image of Ronnie 2001 you love so much and he doesn't touch Dorian
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Ronnie only weighed 250 lbs in 96 and already matched Dorian in size. Imagine how much bigger his 03 version would look next to Dorian
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Jesus Christ people! It's an all-time tie. How about that? :P Both were champions, it just comes down to who you like better. People can argue all they want, but this is a subjective sport. Subjective = opinion when the competitors are close.
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Ronnie only weighed 250 lbs in 96 and already matched Dorian in size. Imagine how much bigger his 03 version would look next to Dorian
He didn't match him for size at all nevermind size AND conditioning even entertaining it were true Neo , so you're fucked either way
and I love how you abandoned 01 because he was getting hosed and now try and say look at 03 Hahahahahahahahaha
What did McGough say about a heavier Ronnie and in-shape Dorian?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
But wait is he an ' idiot ' or ' expert ' Neo? ;)
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lol ' matched him for size ' lol
Ronnie 03 40 extra lbs of shit stuffed into an already compromised frame
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Another fantasy comparison
Peter McGough, FLEX, 2004:
"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and conditioned as the man who won six Sandows."
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.
Reality Neo
the same guy you quoted also said 01 ASC Ronnie would beat ANY contest version of Dorian
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
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thanks for playing again, kiddo ;)
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lol ' matched him for size ' lol
Ronnie 03 40 extra lbs of shit stuffed into an already compromised frame
The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size ;)
lmao @ "shit stuffed into a frame" when all the experts praise Ronnie's level of quality mass
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."
John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review
"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."
http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."
Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
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the same guy you quoted also said 01 ASC Ronnie would beat ANY contest version of Dorian
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
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thanks for playing again, kiddo ;)
And? Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning and you keep typing to the contrary and Dorian still wins , so Neo still loses :)
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And? Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning and you keep typing to the contrary and Dorian still wins , so Neo still loses
who gives a crap about hardness or dryness if we're discussing who would win? I'll give you conditioning if you concede that Peter McGough's assessment that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat any stage version of Dorian is correct
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The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size ;)
lmao @ "shit stuffed into a frame" when all the experts praise Ronnie's level of quality mass
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."
John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review
"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."
http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."
Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm
You'll get NO argument from me that Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and Dorian never had a problem beating bigger softer guys , ask Nasser , Dillett , Lou , and others ;)
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You'll get NO argument from me that Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and Dorian never had a problem beating bigger softer guys , ask Nasser , Dillett , Lou , and others
you'll get no argument from me that muscular bulk isn't the only judging criteria. I merely posted those quotes to refute your claim that 03 Ronnie wouldn't destroy Dorian in size
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who gives a crap about hardness or dryness? I'll give you conditioning if you concede that Peter McGough's assessment about 01 ASC Ronnie beating any stage version of Dorian is correct
LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning ;)
McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why
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you'll get no argument from me that muscular bulk isn't the only judging criteria. I merely posted those quotes to refute your claim that 03 Ronnie wouldn't destroy Dorian in size
Where did I say he would? ??? making things up?
Ronnie much bigger than Dorian on 03 and? again Dorian routinely beat heavier softer guys nothing new
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LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning
McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why
I already refuted your argument using visual evidence, the IFBB criteria, and testimony from experts who saw both men at their prime. It's pretty sad when an anonymous keyboard warrior who has never seen these guys in person thinks he knows more than the photographers, bodybuilders, and writers who attend shows and have more knowledge and insight than him.
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LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning ;)
McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why
Key word people: Opinions. Who cares what McGough thinks? Do you really think that old schmoe knows more then some of us here?
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Key word people: Opinions. Who cares what McGough thinks? Do you really think that old schmoe knows more then some of us here?
Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I ;D
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I already refuted your argument using visual evidence, the IFBB criteria, and testimony from experts who saw both men at their prime. It's pretty sad when an anonymous keyboard warrior who has never seen these guys in person thinks he knows more than the photographers, bodybuilders, and writers who attend shows and have more knowledge and insight than him.
Great job Neo sure you believe that , that's why you're in here trying to quote ' give conditioning to me ' LMFAO kid didn't know the IFBB judging criteria until I posted it 8) claimed the experts are ' idiots ' when they contradict his claims
Look Neo I'm like you I now have popular opinion as well :D
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Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I ;D
Touche ;D
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Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I ;D
You know Ronnie quite well Neo :-X
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You know Ronnie quite well Neo
not as well as you know Dorian. I hear he used to stay at your house when he came to the states :-\
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not as well as you know Dorian. I hear he used to stay at your house when he came to the states :-\
LAME
Now this pic of you and Ronnie is a classic ;)
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LAME
Now this pic of you and Ronnie is a classic
this snapshot of your bedroom is a classic
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this snapshot of your bedroom is a classic. You can even see the bouquet from your job as a florist
A view you're used to :-X
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It's interesting to note how the Coleman trolls invariably invade each and every thread that mentions Yates. They just can't help themselves.
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A view you're used to
your favorite game to play with Dorian :-\
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It's interesting to note how the Coleman trolls invariably invade each and every thread that mentions Yates. They just can't help themselves.
Thank you , which proves they don't feel Ronnie could beat Dorian and have this compulsion to TRY and prove he could in any thread that says Dorian Yates
puppies following their master around ;D
Dorian always kicked Ronnie's ass and even when Ronnie started to win he said he couldn't touch Dorian , they lose just like their hero always did ;D
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he
would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr.
Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to
knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
These quoted ended everything and sent them all into a downward spiral ever since , they haven't recovered
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your favorite game to play with Dorian :-\
Jesus you are getting more lame by the minute
Neo wishing so bad it was his ' banana ' :-X :-X :-X
Not on my level kid
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ND wishing he was the girl in this pic :-\
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Good old Dorian vs Ronnie thread.....getbig rocks ! 8)
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ND wishing he was the girl in this pic :-\
What a fucking tool lol wanna copy me some more?
Neo a view you're used too because your head is usually up here :-X
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Good old Dorian vs Ronnie thread.....getbig rocks ! 8)
Actually it wasn't until the trolls showed up 8) can't help themselves , please everyone listen Ronnie really , really is better , I swear ::)
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr.
Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
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WTF.....this is from that stupid Moses thing ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473389;image)
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WTF.....this is from that stupid Moses thing ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473389;image)
Yup ::) Dorian would be associated with this gay-ass shit , people bitch about Kai Greene? :-\
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WTF.....this is from that stupid Moses thing ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473389;image)
Worst routine ever.
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Worst routine ever.
Absolutely no wonder why he lost
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I saw that the other day big bastard
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I saw that the other day big bastard
The greatest of all time.
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The debate and thread just ended with the video above. ;D
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Ronnie
Dorian
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Without knowing it Neo has had his telephone tapped into by a journalist and all his private conversations with Ronnie Coleman have been recorded. The full transcript of Neogate is coming soon exclusively to British tit ‘n’ bum tabloid the Sun on Sunday. I've been lucky enough to have had a sneak preview of the transcript and the funniest part by far is Neo telling Coleman how he longs to be reincarnated as his soiled codpiece. Classic!
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LAME
Now this pic of you and Ronnie is a classic ;)
Nah thats not Neo ND thats the biggest Coleman ball licker on earth its-self MR Choclate Lover muffin man whats his face.... :-X
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It's interesting to note how the Coleman trolls invariably invade each and every thread that mentions Yates. They just can't help themselves.
Yup thats because he never beat yates simple as that, so its easier to troll what "would of" or MIGHT of "been" see look he could beat him now.... AFTER THE FACT.
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Another fantasy comparison
Peter McGough, FLEX, 2004:
"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and conditioned as the man who won six Sandows."
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.
Reality Neo
What i take away from that is McGough says Ronnie is better overall, just not as dry. How is this refuting anything? it's common knowledge Dorian came in drier than Coleman.
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What i take away from that is McGough says Ronnie is better overall, just not as dry. How is this refuting anything? it's common knowledge Dorian came in drier than Coleman.
your assessment is correct. ND is wrong like usual. Peter McGough said, not once or twice, but on 3 separate occasions that 01 ASC Ronnie has the best physique he ever saw. He never once said Dorian has a better physique. The only mention McGough made is that a precontest Dorian could possibly touch Ronnie, but he never said Dorian would beat Ronnie. Of course, ND will deny this b/c he's too stubborn to admit defeat
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough
"While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink."
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your assessment is correct. ND is wrong like usual. Peter McGough said, not once or twice, but on 3 separate occasions that 01 ASC Ronnie has the best physique he ever saw. He never once said Dorian has a better physique. The only mention McGough made is that a precontest Dorian could possibly touch Ronnie, but he never said Dorian would beat Ronnie. Of course, ND will deny this b/c he's too stubborn to admit defeat
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough
"While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink."
your assessment is correct. ND is wrong like usual. Peter McGough said, not once or twice, but on 3 separate occasions that 01 ASC Ronnie has the best physique he ever saw. He never once said Dorian has a better physique. The only mention McGough made is that a precontest Dorian could possibly touch Ronnie, but he never said Dorian would beat Ronnie. Of course, ND will deny this b/c he's too stubborn to admit defeat
Wrong about what exactly? I don't need McGough to say Dorian is better than Ronnie I never needed him too. I was the one who posted the quotes originally recall? ;) I didn't fear his opinion then or now. And the best part is Neo? you outright called the guy an idiot but now you need him to be correct when it suits your purposes ::) typical Neo hypocrite
Neo pay attention , there is NO ' defeat ' , because according to your logic you were defeated eons ago when Ronnie ( an expert , whom many consider the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived ) said three times he couldn't beat Dorian. and like I maintained always just because someone says it doesn't make it true , McGough and Ronnie included. Neo when you have 12 IFBB judges all saying Ronnie Coleman 2001ASC could beat Dorian Yates precontest 1993 then I would concede ' defeat ' until then you have opinions and there are many of them
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen"
' may have ' key words go learn them
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
in my opinion , and contender. two more words you need to learn ;)
Peter McGough
"While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink."
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Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
' Cause to rethink ' ' I'm not sure that Ronnie ( 2001 ) would beat Dorian at 269lbs. '
Now Neo this is the point you always miss. I don't need ANYONE to say Dorian would beat Ronnie to form my own opinion on why he would. Why would Dorian at 269lbs ( or 257lbs ) beat Ronnie? like I always said Dorian carries more muscular bulk ( 269lbs vs 244-247lbs ) Dorian has better balance AND proportion ( these are two separate entities Neo even though you didn't know that ) he's more complete , and is better at posing and presenting his physique to it's best
Now in contrast to you , your entire argument hinges on POPULARITY and you don't even fucking have that either ;D you know you can't argue Ronnie is better conditioned ( although you have :-\ ) you know you can't argue he has better balance & proportion ( and you have ::) ) in fact you actually argued Ronnie carried more muscular bulk despite being lighter than Dorian ( really dude? ??? ) and I don't think you ever argued he was better at posing & presentation ( but I wouldn't be surprised if you tried ) You can't argue he's more complete either
All you have left is POPULARITY. Look everyone I have a bunch of quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest ever LMFAO it's you who admitted defeat LONG ago when you tried at first to form some ignorant half-ass opinion on how Ronnie would beat Dorian ( not having a clue on how contests are judged until my ass showed you how the game is played ) and when you got utterly crushed on that front retreated and tried to you appeals to numbers and that failed too.
Neo I don't expect you to respond to this ( and meltdown isn't a response it's an admission of defeat ) because you can't counter this and never have in fact you tried to copy me verbatim on other boards.
I have the greatest bodybuilder of all-time admitting three separate occasions he could not beat Dorian.
Check mate.
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What i take away from that is McGough says Ronnie is better overall, just not as dry. How is this refuting anything? it's common knowledge Dorian came in drier than Coleman.
It was more to do with the fact that Neo swore up and down McGough was an idiot but when he needs him to be he's an ' expert ' he is.
Dorian is better than not only is he better conditioned but he also has better balance & proportion , carries more muscular bulk ( than Ronnie at his best ) and is more complete and better at showing his physique off to it's best advantage.
Dorian is NOT better than Dorian because it's a popular opinion. ;D
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^^^ ND right on cue like I predicted ;)
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^^^ ND right on cue like I predicted ;)
Says Neo who is in another Dorian Yates thread as predicted ;)
' Look everyone I have a bunch of quotes that say Ronnie is better so he's better ' :-\
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i am biggest yates fan there is,and agree with nd that dorian would hand 01 ronnie his ass!but you guys arte arguing the wrong version of ronnie,dorian was bigger and harder than 01arnold classic ronnie,the only way with ifbb judging criteria ronnie stands a chance is the first year he supersized,i think 03,he would be bigger than dorian that year and was still pretty conditioned.i personally think dorian would still take it but it would be close,as close as ronnie would ever get.
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and agree with nd that dorian would hand 01 ronnie his ass!
:P
no chance. even dorian at his self proclaimed 95 best gets killed.
esp. with that awful torn arm.
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just a massacre
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no chance. even dorian at his self proclaimed 95 best gets killed.
esp. with that awful torn arm.
What about these? :-\
they look torn even though they're not :-X
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i am biggest yates fan there is,and agree with nd that dorian would hand 01 ronnie his ass!but you guys arte arguing the wrong version of ronnie,dorian was bigger and harder than 01arnold classic ronnie,the only way with ifbb judging criteria ronnie stands a chance is the first year he supersized,i think 03,he would be bigger than dorian that year and was still pretty conditioned.i personally think dorian would still take it but it would be close,as close as ronnie would ever get.
01 ASC Ronnie would beat any contest version of Dorian. He has better definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. Dorian may have been 10 lbs heavier but that doesn't mean he would make Ronnie look small. Following that rationale, a 310 lbs Lou Ferrigno should beat a 257 lbs Dorian on size alone. Remember that Ronnie had narrow hips and smaller joints coupled with round muscle bellies that make him look 20 lbs heavier than he really is. Experts who saw Ronnie at the 01 ASC agree that his physique was good enough to beat any other bodybuilder that ever stood onstage.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Ironage, Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
Greg Merritt - Flex, April 2009
"I submit that the Ronnie Coleman version 2.0 we saw in four contests from the '98 Olympia to the '01 Arnold (weighing between 244 and 264) is the best combination of size, shape and striations in the history of bodybuilding."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
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01 ASC Ronnie would beat any contest version of Dorian. He has better definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. Dorian may have been 10 lbs heavier but that doesn't mean he would make Ronnie look small. Following that rationale, a 310 lbs Lou Ferrigno should beat a 257 lbs Dorian on size alone. Remember that Ronnie had narrow hips and smaller joints coupled with round muscle bellies that make him look 20 lbs heavier than he really is. Experts who saw Ronnie at the 01 ASC agree that his physique was good enough to beat any other bodybuilder that ever stood onstage.
WRONG Ronnie 2001 ASC is a carbon copy of Ronnie 1998 Olympia and that Ronnie had a fuck of a time beating Flex so NO he wouldn't touch Dorian 1993/1995 at all
This Neo is how a 247lb Ronnie would look next to a 257lb Dorian and neither are at their best.
Dorian muscular bulk AND density AND dryness AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation
Dorian has to many advantages Ronnie had to many flaws
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98/01 249/247lbs in outstanding condition , neither is a match for Yates
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He beats Yates in all those shots. Wake up, dude.
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He beats Yates in all those shots. Wake up, dude.
exactly. All ND proved is that 98/01 ASC Ronnie would beat Dorian
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here's a vastly inferior version of Ronnie next to a +260 lbs Dorian. Ronnie has bigger arms, pecs, and quads. Now imagine how a dry and shredded Ronnie would look at the same weight next to a 257 lbs Dorian
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here's a vastly inferior version of Ronnie next to a +260 lbs Dorian. Ronnie has bigger arms, pecs, and quads. Now imagine how a dry and shredded Ronnie would look at the same weight next to a 257 lbs Dorian
LMFAO bigger arms , pecs and quads Neo , Neo , Neo NOT how it works entertaining it was true ( which it's not )
Neo Ronnie at any weight has inferior density & dryness , inferior balance & proportion , posing & presentation , you're omitting many parts of the IFBB judging criteria not how it works son.
Here is Ronnie 1997 , great taper , better ' definition ' better ' symmetry ' ' bigger arms ' ' bigger quads ' Neo please remind me what place Ronnie got this year at the Olympia? ;D
Neo what was that again about parts? ;)
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here's a vastly inferior version of Ronnie next to a +260 lbs Dorian. Ronnie has bigger arms, pecs, and quads. Now imagine how a dry and shredded Ronnie would look at the same weight next to a 257 lbs Dorian
Great pic of Dorian not even posing anymore no wonder why you think he has bigger parts , here is the ORIGINAL pic Neo posted by delta , kinda contradicts your claims 8)
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exactly. All ND proved is that 98/01 ASC Ronnie would beat Dorian
98/01 wouldn't stand a chance , sorry he just wouldn't 98 Ronnie couldn't handle Flex but he's supposed to beat Dorian? even you're not dumb enough to believe that
98 and 01 are almost identical honestly , Ronnie was 249lbs in 1998 and 244-247lbs in 2001 both are his pinnacle showings . 2001 more so because he doesn't have any gyno
you can never get past that fact Neo , 98 Flex can a career best Olympia Ronnie a heap of trouble you can't honestly say he would beat Dorian , 2001 is the same
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Great pic of Dorian not even posing anymore no wonder why you think he has bigger parts , here is the ORIGINAL pic Neo posted by delta , kinda contradicts your claims 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473586;image)
Makes Ronnie look like an amateur there.
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Makes Ronnie look like an amateur there.
But Ronnie has better ' parts ' lmao Ronnie was a very distant sixth now Ronnie around the same size with great conditioning is supposed to beat Dorian? ::) Ronnie's blatant issues are always gonna be there his pathetic calves , his oversized glutes , his lackluster conditioning ( compared to Dorian that is )
But to be ' fair ' to Ronnie he wasn't posed yet so someone made them both side-by-side hitting the shot at the same time and Ronnie just gets battered
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427810.0;attach=473564;image)
Just a Massacre. ;D
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Ronnie was a great champion, but only ascended to the top because of Dorian's retirement. Ronnie didn't have the tools to beat Dorian onstage. A better competition would have been Yates and Haney in '92 and '93 had Haney stuck around.
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Ronnie was a great champion, but only ascended to the top because of Dorian's retirement. Ronnie didn't have the tools to beat Dorian onstage. A better competition would have been Yates and Haney in '92 and '93 had Haney stuck around.
What's funny is at the end of the 1991 Olympia Haney said he just literally learned how to peak and he hinted that he might return in 1992 , I think he got wise
like I always said if Haney showed up looking the way he did in 91 against how Dorian showed up in 92 , Lee would have beat him. But by 93 Haney wasn't ever touching him but Haney was young when he retired and I think he had room from improvement would that be enough? who knows
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Just a Massacre. ;D
And these guys are saying Ronnie beats Dorian in the pics I posted :-X
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What's funny is at the end of the 1991 Olympia Haney said he just literally learned how to peak and he hinted that he might return in 1992 , I think he got wise
like I always said if Haney showed up looking the way he did in 91 against how Dorian showed up in 92 , Lee would have beat him. But by 93 Haney wasn't ever touching him but Haney was young when he retired and I think he had room from improvement would that be enough? who knows
Dorian overdieted in '92 to compete with the smaller guys. Had Haney been in the competition, he probably wouldn't have brought it down so far. That would have been a great show.
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dorian had better calves than ronnie for sure . the rest is another story .
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how many pages is this going to reach lol
Ronnie >yates forever
want proof?
look @ the 96 Olympia call outs when Ronnie ,out of nowhere ,gets compared to dorian and shawn ray- in 96 he is already clearly better than yates
someone post those pics
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how many pages is this going to reach lol
Ronnie >yates forever
want proof?
look @ the 96 Olympia call outs when Ronnie ,out of nowhere ,gets compared to dorian and shawn ray- in 96 he is already clearly better than yates
someone post those pics
Was at that show and you're completely wrong. Ronnie did look good though.
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someone post those pics and we can see
in 96 ronnie was already better than Dorian
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1992 screen capture:
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Not bad for for a Crossfit guy.
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why would you insult yates?
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I honestly don't think that this is that great. His legs look smooth and puffy almost and arms lack detail, I cant even see separation between his tris and bi's laterally. Good no doubt but that's not a good pose for him.
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someone post those pics and we can see
in 96 ronnie was already better than Dorian
Doesn't matter what pics you post. I was there and it wasn't close. Look for any coverage that said Ronnie was better - you won't find any.