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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
With the exception of taxes (which I don`t entirely agree with), one does not have to participate in any of the above.
Tell me, which country has more freedom than the United States?
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Don't be bitter Tiger, life is what you make of it. I'd say the USA is pretty damn sweet. I have a great job, house, family, vacations, etc. I honestly don't think my life could be much better at the moment. I have as much freedom as I want. I don't like the taxes either, but it's the nature of the beast. If you want govt provided services, then you have to pay them. :D
Tiger, my advice would be to work a little harder at life, and see where that gets you.
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I don't think most people even want to be free, whatever the fuck that means.
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Don't be bitter Tiger, life is what you make of it. I'd say the USA is pretty damn sweet. I have a great job, house, family, vacations, etc. I honestly don't think my life could be much better at the moment. I have as much freedom as I want. I don't like the taxes either, but it's the nature of the beast. If you want govt provided services, then you have to pay them. :D
Tiger, my advice would be to work a little harder at life, and see where that gets you.
Other places are only good for vacationing. Whats amusing to me is that in almost every other country, the people just are not very nice at all. They will NEVER talk to strangers, ask how you are doing or any of that. They see it as totally strange to talk to the supermarket checkout lady or helping the old guy load his car or whatever. Instead, they just walk by, keep to their-selves and pretend nobody exists. Its like the bystander effect X 20 and this is just normal every day life for Europeans. They aren`t really that friendly.
Come to the United States, at least in the South, its a totally different mind set. Anytime a European visits, they can`t get over how accepting and nice people are, how friendly and willing to help complete strangers. That idea is alien to them.
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I hear what you guys are saying, but just look around at america. A LOT of people are getting screwed here, that's why the US is such a crime infested place. That's why there is a huge criminal subculture.
Personally, I am doing good in life. But everyday I see poor, angry, frustrated people everywhere. Just because my life is ok that doesn't mean I will ignore the misery and hopelessness I see around me every day.
Like gh 15 said, most Americanos don't give a shit about what's happening outside their own living room.
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Hi, YAGR :D
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I hear what you guys are saying, but just look around at america. A LOT of people are getting screwed here, that's why the US is such a crime infested place. That's why there is a huge criminal subculture.
Personally, I am doing good in life. But everyday I see poor, angry, frustrated people everywhere. Just because my life is ok that doesn't mean I will ignore the misery and hopelessness I see around me every day.
Like gh 15 said, most Americanos don't give a shit about what's happening outside their own living room.
That is simply just not true.
I don`t think America is a crime infested place. The overwhelming majority of it is safer than anywhere in the world. Most of the United States is rural you know. Crime is committed largely by certain groups of people in cities. Its mostly localized to certain areas and is not prevalent if you take the entire United States as a whole in context.
The best thing you can do to help is to encourage stupid people not to breed. Champion abortion and petition your Congressman to support giving out tax incentives or some other incentive to NOT have children.
Abortion has been the most effective tool to reduce crime in the long run and nothing else comes close.
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Other places are only good for vacationing. Whats amusing to me is that in almost every other country, the people just are not very nice at all. They will NEVER talk to strangers, ask how you are doing or any of that. They see it as totally strange to talk to the supermarket checkout lady or helping the old guy load his car or whatever. Instead, they just walk by, keep to their-selves and pretend nobody exists. Its like the bystander effect X 20 and this is just normal every day life for Europeans. They aren`t really that friendly.
Come to the United States, at least in the South, its a totally different mind set. Anytime a European visits, they can`t get over how accepting and nice people are, how friendly and willing to help complete strangers. That idea is alien to them.
Yeah they are all miserable fucks like this guy
I don't think most people even want to be free, whatever the fuck that means.
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I hear what you guys are saying, but just look around at america. A LOT of people are getting screwed here, that's why the US is such a crime infested place. That's why there is a huge criminal subculture.
This is completely incorrect, and the wrong mindset to have. Nobody, I repeat, nobody is getting screwed. If a person's life is shitty, it's their own doing (with the exception of folks who have debilitating diseases and such). Everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else. It's all up to the individual what they do with their life.
Even if a person is born into a shitty, poverty stricken life, that doesn't mean they have to accept it. They can change. :D
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That is simply just not true.
I don`t think America is a crime infested place. The overwhelming majority of it is safer than anywhere in the world. Most of the United States is rural you know. Crime is committed largely by certain groups of people in cities. Its mostly localized to certain areas and is not prevalent if you take the entire United States as a whole in context.
The best thing you can do to help is to encourage stupid people not to breed. Champion abortion and petition your Congressman to support giving out tax incentives or some other incentive to NOT have children.
Abortion has been the most effective tool to reduce crime in the long run and nothing else comes close.
Most of the miserable people in the USA are the product of their environment. They were not born inept and stupid. They just got screwed by US capitalism until they gave up hope and became degenerates.
All the trashy people in america were created by the system. They were not born that way.
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This is completely incorrect, and the wrong mindset to have. Nobody, I repeat, nobody is getting screwed. If a person's life is shitty, it's their own doing (with the exception of folks who have debilitating diseases and such). Everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else. It's all up to the individual what they do with their life.
Even if a person is born into a shitty, poverty stricken life, that doesn't mean they have to accept it. They can change. :D
Total bull shit.
You're saying someone raised in a broken home with no money has the same chance as someone raised in a rich home?
You must be a spoiled person who has never seen the truth about poverty and the dark side of life.
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Total bull shit.
You're saying someone raised in a broken home with no money has the same chance as someone raised in a rich home?
You must be a spoiled person who has never seen the truth about poverty and the dark side of life.
YAGR, just because your uncles gang raped you, doesn't mean life in America is any less awesome.
So go fuck yourself, drinker of donkey piss.
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Total bull shit.
You're saying someone raised in a broken home with no money has the same chance as someone raised in a rich home?
You must be a spoiled person who has never seen the truth about poverty and the dark side of life.
Yes, that is exactly what i'm saying. No, i'm not spoiled at all. Let me give you a little breakdown of my family history.
My father's parents were extremely poor. My father grew up on a farm, and went to a rural school. He and his 5 siblings were the only kids without shoes. His father was a drunk gambler who died when my father was young from cirrhosis. He left behind a wife and 6 kids.
My mother's parents were low income. Her mother was a stay at home mom, and father worked for Santa Fe railroad as a train lader.
My father joined the military, because it was his only opportunity. Once he served his time, he got a job at Alcoa working in pot rooms. He usually worked 40-60 hours a week. He retired after 38 years of work as a general mechanic at Alcoa.
My mother worked odd jobs here and there. Our family was low to middle class.
My father strove to be more successful than his father, and provide a better life for his family.
I also strove to be better than my father and provide a better life for my family, and i've succeeded. Nobody gave me shit, i've worked for everything I have.
So, you see, if you set goals, apply yourself, and work hard, you can control your outcome.
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YAGR, just because your uncles gang raped you, doesn't mean life in America is any less awesome.
So go fuck yourself, drinker of donkey piss.
Yes, I am YAGER. If you got a problem with that, you can find me in your Moms bedroom.
But anyway. I just wish Americans would face the truth, instead of all the macho patriotism. Probably won't happen though.
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With the exception of taxes (which I don`t entirely agree with), one does not have to participate in any of the above.
Tell me, which country has more freedom than the United States?
none.
But the OP has a point tho. The rich top % fucks the rest of the people. And everyone just takes it like a old broke down hooker. >:(
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none.
But the OP has a point tho. The rich top % fucks the rest of the people. And everyone just takes it like a old broke down hooker. >:(
How are the rich top % fucking the rest of the people? ???
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none.
But the OP has a point tho. The rich top % fucks the rest of the people. And everyone just takes it like a old broke down hooker. >:(
Exactly. Some people are just too uneducated and lazy to figure it out.
I just travelled all over the USA. Everywhere I went I saw poverty, desperation, homelessness, anger, paranoia, high crime, etc.
It ain't no paradise, that's for sure.
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Yes, I am YAGER. If you got a problem with that, you can find me in your Moms bedroom.
But anyway. I just wish Americans would face the truth, instead of all the macho patriotism. Probably won't happen though.
You're not YAGR, you're a pretend gimmick of a gimmick.
Now that sucks a lot of cock.
::)
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norway maybe beats the usa in living standard, yeah.
maybe switzerland does too.
the uk in a way,maybe.
but thats it,usa and western nations have it good.
its just ppl are pussies and feel entitloed to everything.
80% of the world is piss poor in comparo.
when you think the cut in your finger hurts, think of the guy without legs.
the top rich have and always will fuck over the rest,including the not so top rich.until ppl care about wealth and money itll always be like that.dont hold you breath on betterment.
the layer of civilisation is thin,and its ironicaly provided by the things mentioned and complained about in the op
What kind of houses do most people live in countries such as Norway and Switzerland and the UK? How big are we talking? :)
I think its disgusting to have to wash your clothes in the kitchen as most Europeans have to do.
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People in Norway and the UK and Switzerland also don`t own any land whatsoever or have any personal space.
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Consumer goods are also expensive as shit in Europe. Then you have VAT tax. You can`t get away from people either if you want to as everyone lives on top of the other.
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Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
Define freedom.
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Define freedom.
Freedom is being able to live without oppression, live by your own rules, live without an intrusive government, live with a functional economic system.
The problem with the system in the USA is that the poor and working class get fucked hard. But if you are rich in the USA it's a wonderful life.
Almost 3% of Americans are currently locked up. People struggling everywhere. The system in america used to work great. In the past couple decades it's become dysfunctional.
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
you are a mental midget.
When there are too many people, we automatically, subconsciously feel like something is wrong, something has to be done, at this point we start wars to apply an artificial/natural selection on our own specie; the point is to reequilibrate, balance our number for the survival of the specie as a whole. When someone else dies or kill himself, we feel better because it means less competition for ressources insuring our survival, it means higher chances of survival for ourself; we are animals and only the strongest/smartest survive, those able to adapt and who can envision a better future for themselves and/or offspring, a future that will allow them to dominate instead of being dominated, will find a point to adapt instead of being erased.
Lazy people always get owned by hard working ones. Intelligent people who use their intelligence solely to do less at some point get bored of life too. You have to participate to feel alive, this is why dumb people are often happier than smart ones, at least they re in the flow of life, while smart people lose touch with it.
Anyway, wars are coming, following the soon to happen economic collapse worldwide. And as usual, only the strongest and smartest will survive, adapt. It doesnt necessarely means it will be the richest ones. They ll be able to pay for armed security (police, army) but there is always someone smart coming from the bottom of the pyramid who rise and replace the old masters. The process of "life".
Nowadays there are too many overqualified and unskilled people and not enough jobs. With technological progress we still need less and less people. The problem is overpopulation. And elites import people form the third world to increase their profits/lower salaries.
The system cannot sustain itself, we are all aware of it. Nature will follow its course. When there s not enough ressources for everyone, there is a need to reduce our number.
Be self sufficient, transform paper money into gold/silver, buy ammo and weapons, these basic principles will never cease to prevail over everything else. Basically, believe in God and be humble, figure the bullshits and dont let them corrupt your mind and existence and you ll live while others will fall. Stick with people who genuinely think alike and build the Realm of God on earth, because that's what we ve been designed to do, and every single attempt to not do what we ve been designed to do in the first place by our creator leads to despair and death.
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Freedom is being able to live without oppression, live by your own rules, live without an intrusive government, live with a functional economic system.
The problem with the system in the USA is that the poor and working class get fucked hard. But if you are rich in the USA it's a wonderful life.
Almost 3% of Americans are currently locked up. People struggling everywhere. The system in america used to work great. In the past couple decades it's become dysfunctional.
Again, explain to me how the poor and working class are getting fucked? What is stopping them from bettering their life? ???
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depends.
hold on,lol, ppl dont wash clothes in kitches in europe where have you heard that.lol.
houses in switzerland are most likely the best built worldwide, they all got nuke safe bunkers by law.size is,uhm,plenty.
theres too many factors, switzerland is cool bc theres work for everyone distribution of wealth is kinda fair, for who likes that kinda thing.laws are lenient on some things etc.
uk, housing is shit and too expensive, but economicaly, the govt dont meddle in your affairs too much, good place for self employed small business.
norway is so rich and has so huge suprlus,they pll choose to work less, but its all based on oil,and the climate there sucks.
usa has all of this, all states considered.theyre somewhere equal, hard to compare,really
ever been to rural england?of course they do, so do the swiss.
yeah, vat, is stealing money from ppl, but it gets reinvested in some useful some less useful things.
usa has taxes too, they jsut call it by another name.
Most homes I see have the washing machine in the kitchen in Europe.
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exactly,its all relative.
without law,there can be no freedom.
+1
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you sure that isnt the dishwashing machine?
in the uk, yes, washing machines in kitchen,seen that,its typical.
in switzerland, theyre in the basement, but ppl consider it a luxury extra to have it in the flat these days, for some reason ???
I`m sure.
(http://www.theoldlighthouse.co.uk/images/strumble%20head%20kitchen%202.jpg)
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Our only freedom is to kill instead of being killed, to adapt, survive instead of being erased. That's what we do every day; we develop strategies of survival to either dominate, cooperate, submit or flee. This is the only "freedom" of living beings, wether it's in the vegetal or animal world. Our only freedom is to play by the rules of the world we ve been spawned into.
You re free to create, follow God, or to stay at home doing nothing, in self loathing like many on here. Your choice.
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Again, explain to me how the poor and working class are getting fucked? What is stopping them from bettering their life? ???
Start by reading a book about basic economics, then get back to me.
The fact that you even asking this question shows how little you know.
It takes a LOT of studying to learn the truth about economic issues. I can't tell it to you in a paragraph.
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Start by reading a book about basic economics, then get back to me.
The fact that you even asking this question shows how little you know.
It takes a LOT of studying to learn the truth about economic issues. I can't tell it to you in a paragraph.
I don't need to read about economics, I know plenty about it, that's one of the reasons i'm where i'm at today. Again, just tell me how the rich people are fucking the poor and working class. ???
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I don't need to read about economics, I know plenty about it, that's one of the reasons i'm where i'm at today. Again, just tell me how the rich people are fucking the poor and working class. ???
Some rich people act evil with money and manipulate others, some rich people act benevolent, create jobs for others, arent assholes.
Some poor people are great people, some poor people are assholes with no beliefs.
Money isnt evil by itself, just like everything else it's only a tool, you can do good or bad with it. Money is necessary, it prevents people from killing each others for ressources; instead they work to deserve them. But obviously as usual we failed and a correction is needed.
It's all a matter of faith in the end, of spirituality. There are good and bad people everywhere, and the system is collapsing because there are too many evil people in all layers of our human society, in every single country on earth who abused everything for too long. We re all part of what is happening, and a selection will be made, this is how life works, period. In the end only the good ones will survive and know heaven; eternal rest in peace. We are pieces of a gigantic puzzle , we are nothing and everything at the same time. Never think you are the story, you are just a character in the Story that has been written by something, someone, bigger than the story itself.
You have nothing to fear of what is coming if you stand by God.
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Some rich people act evil with money and manipulate others, some rich people act benevolent, create jobs for others, arent assholes.
Some poor people are great people, some poor people are assholes with no beliefs.
Money isnt evil by itself, just like everything else it's only a tool, you can do good or bad with it. Money is necessary, it prevents people from killing each others for ressources; instead they work to deserve them. But obviously as usual we failed and a correction is needed.
It's all a matter of faith in the end, of spirituality. There are good and bad people everywhere, and the system is collapsing because there are too many evil people in all layers of our human society, in every single country on earth who abused everything for too long. We re all part of what is happening, and a selection will be made, this is how life works, period. In the end only the good ones will survive and know heaven; eternal rest in peace. We are pieces of a gigantic puzzle , we are nothing and everything at the same time. Never think you are the story, you are just a character in the Story that has been written by something, someone, bigger than the story itself.
You have nothing to fear of what is coming if you stand by God.
(http://bearsharkaxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/You-just-went-full-retard.jpg)
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(http://bearsharkaxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/You-just-went-full-retard.jpg)
Let's see who's the retard;
do you own gold, silver
do you own guns and ammo
do you own farm land and shelter
do you have a family / trustable human support
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I`m sure.
(http://www.theoldlighthouse.co.uk/images/strumble%20head%20kitchen%202.jpg)
Haha you picked the tiniest shitties kitchen adam! They dont look like that in Tiptree or Maldon
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Let's see who se the retard;
do you own gold, silver
do you own guns and ammo
do you own farm land and shelter
do you have a family / human support
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Some.
Enough to start a small war.
Yes.
Yes.
;D
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Some.
Enough to start a small war.
Yes.
Yes.
;D
well then I guess the only thing I have and you don't is Faith then.
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well then I guess the only thing I have and you don't is Faith then.
Faith is belief without evidence. You don`t really need that anyways.
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With the exception of taxes (which I don`t entirely agree with), one does not have to participate in any of the above.
Tell me, which country has more freedom than the United States?
Canada, Holland, Mexico
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Faith is belief without evidence. You don`t really need that anyways.
There are evidences I and others see, feel, but that you re obviously not able to see, feel, for some reasons. No wonder you re not able to have kids as a result and find other people's kids "disgusting".
Your "choice" to believe in a cold, cynical, mathematical , "scientifical" world exempt of feelings is jut that, your "choice". Still, it's a "choice" that is programmed , shaped by your genes, childhood and caregivers tho. So somewhat, it's not even a conscious choice.
I know how far it will get you in the long run so there's nothing remotely interesting to me in that path. Most cold thinking, cold hearted people like you end killing themselves or others. Also I still find it immensely ironical that your first name is... adam and that you...married that poor caroline. Stop being an hypocrit, change your name and stop living in christian built world then.
BTW I never adress you, you always come to me commenting some of my posts, probably looking for help/answers, quite ironical again from a self proclaimed atheist believing in "absurdity" who pretends to know it all.
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There are evidences I and others see, feel, but that you re obviously not able to see for some reasons. No wonder you re not able to have kids as a result and find other people's kids "disgusting".
Your "choice" to believe in a cold, cynical, mathematical , "scientifical" world exempt of feelings is jut that, your choice.
I know how far it will get you in the long run so there's nothing remotely interesting to me in that path. Most cold thinking, cold hearted people like you end killing themselves or others. Also I still find it immensely ironical that your first name is... adam and that you...married that poor caroline. Stop being an hypocrit, change your name and stop living in christian built world then.
BTW I never adress you, you always come to me commenting some of my posts, probably looking for help/answers, quite ironical again from a self proclaimed atheist believing in "absurdity" who pretends to know it all.
feel and see? Like what?
I like how religious people with no evidence like to tell athiests to prove God doesn't exist.
It's like me telling you that in my hand I am holding an invisible mini man. You tell me it's true and I ask you to prove it's not true. lol. How can you prove crazy?
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feel and see? Like what?
I like how religious people with no evidence like to tell athiests to prove God doesn't exist.
It's like me telling you that in my hand I am holding an invisible mini man. You tell me it's true and I ask you to prove it's not true. lol. How can you prove crazy?
Well to me, You are crazy. And to a muslim or buddhist, both of us are crazy. I guess we re all crazy to someone else who has a different system of belief.
The only real thing that matters in the end, is who will survive, tho. One "craziness" has to be above other crazinesses.
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There are evidences I and others see, feel, but that you re obviously not able to see for some reasons. No wonder you re not able to have kids as a result and find other people's kids "disgusting".
Your "choice" to believe in a cold, cynical, mathematical , "scientifical" world exempt of feelings is jut that, your choice.
I know how far it will get you in the long run so there's nothing remotely interesting to me in that path. Most cold thinking, cold hearted people like you end killing themselves or others. Also I still find it immensely ironical that your first name is... adam and that you...married that poor caroline. Stop being an hypocrit, change your name and stop living in christian built world then.
BTW I never adress you, you always come to me commenting some of my posts, probably looking for help/answers, quite ironical again from a self proclaimed atheist believing in "absurdity" who pretends to know it all.
Another bullshit statement based on YOUR faith. I am one of the most kind hearted people there is and will help anyone out, especially the less fortunate and animals. What have you ever done for anyone?
You, on the other hand, don`t do anything but moan and complain and hate. You are the most negative, judgemental and unhappy person here. How is that Christianity working out for you? :D
Drown yourself in misery, its what you do best.
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Another bullshit statement based on YOUR faith. I am one of the most kind hearted people there is and will help anyone out, especially the less fortunate and animals. What have you ever done for anyone?
You, on the other hand, don`t do anything but moan and complain and hate. You are the most negative, judgemental and unhappy person here. How is that Christianity working out for you? :D
Drown yourself in misery, its what you do best.
Well it's your choice to be an hypocrit to get attention from others, I prefer to be honest. There's a reason the old saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" exists, mister "kids are disgusting" ;)
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Well it's your choice to be an hypocrit to get attention from others, I prefer to be honest. There's a reason the old saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" exists, mister "kids are disgusting" ;)
What have you ever done for anyone? Nothing. You are an immoral and miserable person. I have never seen one positive post come from you, no words of praise for anybody, no mention of anything you have ever done to help anyone or anything. All you do is moan, complain and drown yourself in depressed misery.
You are a sick person and I guarantee you that you won`t find anybody on here that disagrees with that. Can I get an Amen? ;)
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Another bullshit statement based on YOUR faith. I am one of the most kind hearted people there is and will help anyone out, especially the less fortunate and animals. What have you ever done for anyone?
You, on the other hand, don`t do anything but moan and complain and hate. You are the most negative, judgemental and unhappy person here. How is that Christianity working out for you? :D
Drown yourself in misery, its what you do best.
I don't know TA, I think that title goes to E-kul. Uberman is a close second though. Hell, it's a toss up really. :D
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Life is easier now than at any time in our history. If you don't like your situation, work harder and smarter, just like past generations had to.
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Life is easier now than at any time in our history. If you don't like your situation, work harder and smarter, just like past generations had to.
Exactly, it's not really hard at all. Even if your life sucks, and you're poor, you can still do something about it. Sit down, make a plan, an execute it. It's not difficult at all. :D
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Nobody gave me shit, i've worked for everything I have.
You gave yourself your own genes and American citizenship, provided protection for yourself, built your own roads, gained access to your own food supplies, schooled yourself, singlehandedly stabilized the currency you utilize, self-funded your college, birthed your own children at home, are generating investment returns for retirement by yourself, and provide for your own health care independent of any other person or organization?
Impressive, bro. Clearly, the state and society haven't given you shit, context isn't at all determinative of future prospects, and all your success is attributable solely to your person!
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What have you ever done for anyone? Nothing. You are an immoral and miserable person. I have never seen one positive post come from you, no words of praise for anybody, no mention of anything you have ever done to help anyone or anything. All you do is moan, complain and drown yourself in depressed misery.
You are a sick person and I guarantee you that you won`t find anybody on here that disagrees with that. Can I get an Amen? ;)
That's all you have? like I care you re so childish it's disapointing, I get messages in my private box that say that those who need my "advices" find me when they feel like it and I sometimes answer to them. I dont expect more from one of the messageboards I come to to have fun in my spare time. There, you can keep your "I'm the biggest , most popular diva of getbig" trophy, you dumbshit.
Also contrary to you, I dont feel the need to "look" cool while browsing this messageboard, or to make "virtual friends" on the internetz, I always speak my mind whatever the "cost" if i consider something being stupid, wrong, or immature. You on the oposite are all appearance and front, no substance whatsoever. You re just doing your best to sound like a smartass and get exposed by the real ones once in a while, a master bullshiter like there are so many, especially on here. In the land of the blind the one eyed is king they say..
You ve changed your mind on so many topics on here for years it's not even funny. You re pretty good at pretending to be smarter than you are, obviously you re confused when someone gets in your way, and I probably always been the only one on here educated enough to do so, hence your hate bwah bwaa.
About the "legacy part" (oh boy) "what have you done for anyone" lol.. ok for the laugh... I single handedly destroyed juicers and single family, kids abandonning fathers for years on here, in front of young naive kids and simultaneously promoted genuine natural physical conditionning, no wonder I got some ennemies, but I never cared much simply because I know my opinion is just the only decent one to have , and all the recent events ("pro bodybuilders" deaths) have been confirming it. Nowadays it's not rare to see more and more people promote just like I did for years a healthy lifestyle, not solely focused on getting "big muscles" at all costs , promoting a more balanced existence following in my path. Most people on here are gym rats with shity physiques, unnhealthy, with a failed life and families behind them who were luring gullible teens into their pathetic lifestyle to make themselves feel better about their lives. Since I ve been destroying and exposing them, they dont even dare to post anymore. Groink was just another iteration of arvilla for example. I'm pretty proud of that, and the fact that i also explained what a truly fulfiling life for a man is supposed to be. Now it's young people 's choice to pick between the two options. Be a dumb meathead sticking with low lives of his kind or a real hard working family man with a healthy lifestyle and who takes no shortcuts.
We re pretty similar judging only by the fact we re both way more educated than most on here and achieved something lifting weights while most clowns on here never ever lifted a weight in their life in the first place or are on the juice, but it's pretty obvious my opinions about physical conditionning and faith shaped more spirits on here than your stupid calorie is a calorie crappy theory and atheist system of belief that goes nowhere.
You re way too scared to hurt your politically correct, uninspired, cowardly character to ever bring anything useful to anyone unfortunately, and too flawed, immature and somewhat effeminate intellectually speaking to ever inspire anyone to better themselves spiritually. Stick to giving us kitchen recipes out of the blue and pretending to be a real man ("I own guns too!" ::) ).
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That's all you have? like I care you re so childish it's disapointing, I get messages in my private box that say that those who need my "advices" find me when they feel like it and I sometimes answer to them. I dont expect more from one of the messageboards I come to to have fun in my spare time.
Contrary to you, I dont feel the need to "look" cool while browsing this messageboard, or to make "virtual friends" on the internetz, I always speak my mind whatever the "cost" if i consider something being stupid, wrong, or immature. You on the oposite are all appearance and front, no substance whatsoever. You re just doing your best to sound like a smartass and get exposed by the real ones once in a while, a master bullshiter like there are so many, especially on here. In the land of the blind the one eyed is king they say..
You ve changed your mind on so many topics on here for years it's not even funny. You re pretty good at pretending to be smarter than you are, obviously you re confused when someone gets in your way, and I probably always been the only one on here educated enough to do so, hence your hate bwah bwaa.
About the "legacy part" (oh boy) "what have you done for anyone" lol.. ok for the laugh... I single handedly destroyed juicers and single family, kids abandonning fathers for years on here, in front of young naive kids and simultaneously promoted genuine natural physical conditionning, no wonder I got some ennemies, but I never cared much simply because I know my opinion is just the only decent one to have , and all the recent events ("pro bodybuilders" deaths) have been confirming it. Nowadays it's not rare to see more and more people promote just like I did for years a healthy lifestyle, not solely focused on getting "big muscles" at all costs , promoting a more balanced existence following in my path. Most people on here are gym rats with shity physiques, unnhealthy, with a failed life and families behind them who were luring gullible teens into their pathetic lifestyle to make themselves feel better about their lives. Since I ve been destroying and exposing them, they dont even dare to post anymore. I'm pretty proud of that, and the fact that i also explained what a truly fulfiling life for a man is supposed to be. Now it's people 's choice to pick between the two options.
We re pretty similar judging only by the fact we re both way more educated than most on here and achieved something lifting weights while most clowns on here never ever lifted a weight in their life in the first place or are on the juice, but it's pretty obvious my opinions about physical conditionning and faith shaped more spirits on here than your stupid calorie is a calorie crappy theory and atheist system of belief that goes nowhere.
You re way too scared to hurt your politically correct, uninspired, cowardly character to ever bring anything useful to anyone unfortunately, and too flawed, immature and somewhat effeminate intellectually speaking to ever inspire anyone to better themselves spiritually. Stick to giving us kitchen recipes out of the blue and pretending to be a real man ("I own guns too!" ::) ).
Just as I already knew. Nothing put a pitiful doom and gloom loser that has never contributed to society or helped anyone out or anything. Immoral piece of shit you are.
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Canada, Holland, Mexico
Aus. It's 4:30 in the morning and I could just go wander around without fear of being mugged by criminals or harrassed by abusive and paranoid police. Children walk to school. I regularly neglect to lock my vehicles and house. A single gunshot anywhere in the country makes the national news.
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Canada, Holland, Mexico
stop trolling that is total bullshit to the ninth degree
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Exactly. Some people are just too uneducated and lazy to figure it out.
I just travelled all over the USA. Everywhere I went I saw poverty, desperation, homelessness, anger, paranoia, high crime, etc.
It ain't no paradise, that's for sure.
no, most places in the US are very nice. if you got the $$$ it is the best place to live. And if you don't have $$$ it is the best place to gain a better life, if you are willing to work hard for it.
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You gave yourself your own genes and American citizenship, provided protection for yourself, built your own roads, gained access to your own food supplies, schooled yourself, singlehandedly stabilized the currency you utilize, self-funded your college, birthed your own children at home, are generating investment returns for retirement by yourself, and provide for your own health care independent of any other person or organization?
Impressive, bro. Clearly, the state and society haven't given you shit, context isn't at all determinative of future prospects, and all your success is attributable solely to your person!
The state and society gave me exactly what is given to everyone else. Nothing less, nothing more. What you do with it is up to you.
My sister and I were raised the same way, in the same house, by the same parents. She is a failure. She has made very poor decisions, and barely scrapes by each month. I on the other hand chose not to live a life like that, and executed my decision.
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stop trolling that is total bullshit to the ninth degree
You don't like Mexicans? ??? :D
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You don't like Mexicans? ??? :D
i love mexicans especially sexy latinas. ;)
But a place that corrupt were the cartels run the country isn't free.
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People in Norway and the UK and Switzerland also don`t own any land whatsoever or have any personal space.
Hmm, where to start?....
I own the land my house is on (UK) and home ownership rates for the US and UK are about the same at 65-70%.
Land is cheap out of town....this is pretty much universal the world over, what is expensive and time consuming is applying for planning permission to build on it in the UK....I don't think the UK is unique in this respect though.
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Consumer goods are also expensive as shit in Europe. Then you have VAT tax. You can`t get away from people either if you want to as everyone lives on top of the other.
Consumer goods are cheap in the UK.
Cell phones are free on 24 month contracts, laptops cost a couple hundred quid, kitchen goods are ridiculously cheap....TVs, stereos etc are all affordable...the US has a larger economy of scale with regard to these things but in the UK with a 60 million population there is a market plenty big enough to keep prices competitively low.
Regards living space, the UK hasn't done the apartment block thing on a scale like the US has so its a bit rich to make out we live in each others pockets....its only in recent years that apartments have become an acceptable way to live in the UK as historically they have been seen as housing for poor people who couldn't afford a proper house.
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i love mexicans especially sexy latinas. ;)
But a place that corrupt were the cartels run the country isn't free.
Hahaha, but a place run by corrupt government is?
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no, most places in the US are very nice. if you got the $$$ it is the best place to live. And if you don't have $$$ it is the best place to gain a better life, if you are willing to work hard for it.
It could be a lot better though. The USA is a great country, but the economy here needs some big reforms. There is too much corruption in certain areas. The middle class is getting shafted in many ways.
Like I said before, I am doing pretty well myself. But that doesn't mean that I will ignore the problems I see everyday around me. It's a great country, but there are major problems, and the problems are getting worse and worse right now.
It seems like people are afraid to admit the problems here.
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Hahaha, but a place run by corrupt government is?
Exactly.
Some people are very oblivious to how the US government works behind the scenes. They just dont know about all the corruption, because they are too uneducated about politics.
It must be very blissful to be so ignorant.
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Hahaha, but a place run by corrupt government is?
i never said the US wasn't corrupt some places are more corrupt the others. Only a stupid person would think mexico is less corrupt then the US.
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/corruption-perceptions-index-2012-g20_50d309f05102c_w1820.jpg)
Exactly.
Some people are very oblivious to how the US government works behind the scenes. They just dont know about all the corruption, because they are too uneducated about politics.
It must be very blissful to be so ignorant.
poor trolling gimmick.
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Yes, that is exactly what i'm saying. No, i'm not spoiled at all. Let me give you a little breakdown of my family history.
My father's parents were extremely poor. My father grew up on a farm, and went to a rural school. He and his 5 siblings were the only kids without shoes. His father was a drunk gambler who died when my father was young from cirrhosis. He left behind a wife and 6 kids.
My mother's parents were low income. Her mother was a stay at home mom, and father worked for Santa Fe railroad as a train lader.
My father joined the military, because it was his only opportunity. Once he served his time, he got a job at Alcoa working in pot rooms. He usually worked 40-60 hours a week. He retired after 38 years of work as a general mechanic at Alcoa.
My mother worked odd jobs here and there. Our family was low to middle class.
My father strove to be more successful than his father, and provide a better life for his family.
I also strove to be better than my father and provide a better life for my family, and i've succeeded. Nobody gave me shit, i've worked for everything I have.
So, you see, if you set goals, apply yourself, and work hard, you can control your outcome.
I can definitely relate. Growing up the heater on our indoor pool was consistently in disrepair and the steaks we ate oft times weren't properly marbled. Don't even get me started on the pathetic size of the lobster tails.
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Other places are only good for vacationing. Whats amusing to me is that in almost every other country, the people just are not very nice at all. They will NEVER talk to strangers, ask how you are doing or any of that. They see it as totally strange to talk to the supermarket checkout lady or helping the old guy load his car or whatever. Instead, they just walk by, keep to their-selves and pretend nobody exists. Its like the bystander effect X 20 and this is just normal every day life for Europeans. They aren`t really that friendly.
Come to the United States, at least in the South, its a totally different mind set. Anytime a European visits, they can`t get over how accepting and nice people are, how friendly and willing to help complete strangers. That idea is alien to them.
Thailand is more free and the people there are much nicer than anywhere you will find in the US, the south included.
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I don't need to read about economics, I know plenty about it, that's one of the reasons i'm where i'm at today. Again, just tell me how the rich people are fucking the poor and working class. ???
Friend of mine is management at a bread manufacturing plant. They hire temps and immigrants, fuck them out of OT..dont give them the break periods mandated by labor laws, and if anyone barks about it they are gone the next day. Immigration raids the place every three months. The blue collar supervisors on the floor get bonuses for keeping labor hours under a certain number with no dropoff in production...Just one example.
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heres one thing noone mentioned,and thats the bottom line i think.
anywhere is god with enough money.
can have very good life even in belgrade if you got money.
law and order and sound govts are huge factors too.you got italian govt doing all kinds of shit and fraud on house owners for example.
so many factors.
That's true. The problem in the USA these days is it's hard for poor people to get ahead.
Rent is ridiculous and too high, many people spend way over half of their money just paying rent. I am lucky because I own property, but if you are stuck paying rent in america you are screwed. So nowadays lots of Americanism just pack into little places with a bunch of roommates.
Hospital costs are insane. A minor trip to the hospital can easily cost thousands and thousands of dollars. If a person in america gets injured it can totally ruin their whole financial picture.
Same thing with dental, its just unrealistically high. Some dental work can easily cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
You have to have a car in the USA pretty much. That means gas, insurance, etc.
There is a lack of good paying jobs in america. It's all over the news every day.
You add all these things up, and its easy to see why so many people are desperate and angry.
Personally, I dont really like living in a society full of desperate, desperation, angry, broke people. It makes this country worse for all of us.
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Friend of mine is management at a bread manufacturing plant. They hire temps and immigrants, fuck them out of OT..dont give them the break periods mandated by labor laws, and if anyone barks about it they are gone the next day. Immigration raids the place every three months. The blue collar supervisors on the floor get bonuses for keeping labor hours under a certain number with no dropoff in production...Just one example.
Is the bread plant holding these employees hostage? Why don't they find a better job? ???
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heres one thing noone mentioned,and thats the bottom line i think.
anywhere is god with enough money.
can have very good life even in belgrade if you got money.
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/
true, but look at the billionaire list then ask yourself, " why do most people that could live anywhere choose to live in the US?
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Is the bread plant holding these employees hostage? Why don't they find a better job? ???
Really not the point, you asked for an example and i gave you a very clear one. In the real world, you cant just quit your job and get another one in a day, especially if your career options are limited, you may have a criminal record, no transportation, could be a hundred reasons. These people know this and exploit the shit out of the workers.
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
People need to pay some form of taxes. How do you think we have public works, and services? How would anything get paid? What the government needs to work on is how they allocate the money.
As far as poor people, most are just lazy people looking for handouts.
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That's true. The problem in the USA these days is it's hard for poor people to get ahead.
The problem in the USA today is people are fucking lazy, and feel like they should be given everything.
Rent is ridiculous and too high, many people spend way over half of their money just paying rent. I am lucky because I own property, but if you are stuck paying rent in america you are screwed. So nowadays lots of Americanism just pack into little places with a bunch of roommates.
If rent is too high, move to an area where it's not, or move to a city where it's not.
Hospital costs are insane. A minor trip to the hospital can easily cost thousands and thousands of dollars. If a person in america gets injured it can totally ruin their whole financial picture.
Buy health insurance, it can be had for less than $100 per month.
Same thing with dental, its just unrealistically high. Some dental work can easily cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
Same thing, buy dental insurance. It's less than $15 per month.
You have to have a car in the USA pretty much. That means gas, insurance, etc.
Buy a motorcycle. They're cheap, and insurance is $8 per month.
There is a lack of good paying jobs in america. It's all over the news every day.
Keep applying until you find a good paying job. the good paying jobs don't come to you, you have to go to them.
You add all these things up, and its easy to see why so many people are desperate and angry.
People are desperate and angry because things don't always go their way. If things aren't the way you like it, you only have yourself to blame.
Personally, I dont really like living in a society full of desperate, desperation, angry, broke people. It makes this country worse for all of us.
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LOL...ok, Polyanna. 15 dollar a month dental insurancs, please tell me where i can get REAL dental insurance for that price, I'll sign up my whole family right now.
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People need to pay some form of taxes. How do you think we have public works, and services? How would anything get paid? What the government needs to work on is how they allocate the money.
As far as poor people, most are just lazy people looking for handouts.
I disagree with that last statement. I think most of them want to do something, but there is nothing for themselves scrappy minimum wage jobs.
Once you sink into poverty, it's hard to just pull a 180 and suddenly become a success.
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Really not the point, you asked for an example and i gave you a very clear one. In the real world, you cant just quit your job and get another one in a day, especially if your career options are limited, you may have a criminal record, no transportation, could be a hundred reasons. These people know this and exploit the shit out of the workers.
Your example is terrible. Again, the workers are in control of their own lives. If they're going to allow the bread plant to take advantage of them, then they have nobody to blame but themselves. They can can that day and file for unemployment. Or, they could go out everytime they get a day off, and turn in 20 job applications. If they have a criminal record, that is their fault. The bread plant (rich people as you call them) did not give them their criminal history. If they have no transportation, they can ride a bike, or a bus.
Again, I fail to see how the rich are fucking the poor and middle class. ???
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LOL...ok, Polyanna. 15 dollar a month dental insurancs, please tell me where i can get REAL dental insurance for that price, I'll sign up my whole family right now.
Delta dental. Actually it's $12.50 per month after a $15.00 enrollment. For 2 people it's $20.83 per month. For 3 people it's $30.83 per month. I expect you to sign your whole family up right now. :D
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Your example is terrible. Again, the workers are in control of their own lives. If they're going to allow the bread plant to take advantage of them, then they have nobody to blame but themselves. They can can that day and file for unemployment. Or, they could go out everytime they get a day off, and turn in 20 job applications. If they have a criminal record, that is their fault. The bread plant (rich people as you call them) did not give them their criminal history. If they have no transportation, they can ride a bike, or a bus.
Again, I fail to see how the rich are fucking the poor and middle class. ???
That's because you're a fucking idiot.
I spelled out very clearly what they do. The "poor" aren't doing it to themselves. The people in charge, who know better, violate labor laws and screw people out of money. Whether the person stands for it or not is irrelevant..they DO it...period fucking paragraph.
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That's because you're a fucking idiot.
I spelled out very clearly what they do. The "poor" aren't doing it to themselves. The people in charge, who know better, violate labor laws and screw people out of money. Whether the person stands for it or not is irrelevant..they DO it...period fucking paragraph.
I'm sorry, but you fail to understand the analogy i'm trying to make. :-\
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I'm sorry, but you fail to understand the analogy i'm trying to make. :-\
you aren't making an analogy, you are making some hare-brained attempt at placing fault on the victim.
By your logic, if a girl gets raped, and she didn't take self defense courses,or spray her attacker with mace, then he didnt rape her...its her fault ::)
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
I think the US is the last frontier. Most of the stuff you listed has been going on for centuries in 90% of the globe. USA is the true last ditch effort of any kind of so called "Freedom" which of course I believe never really existed.
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you aren't making an analogy, you are making some hare-brained attempt at placing fault on the victim.
By your logic, if a girl gets raped, and she didn't take self defense courses,or spray her attacker with mace, then he didnt rape her...its her fault ::)
Again, that is a terrible comparison. A girl who is raped has no choice. The workers in the bread factory do. They can easily collect their paycheck and leave. ::)
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Again, that is a terrible comparison. A girl who is raped has no choice. The workers in the bread factory do. They can easily collect their paycheck and leave. ::)
And they do, there is huge turnover on unskilled labor jobs. But the point is they fuck you out out money FIRST, and force you to accept it or leave.because you are easily replaced. And they don't tell you when you get hired..."we are going to play games with your paycheck, not give you breaks and if you complain you're fired." Just stop talking already.
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I think the US is the last frontier. Most of the stuff you listed has been going on for centuries in 90% of the globe. USA is the true last ditch effort of any kind of so called "Freedom" which of course I believe never really existed.
I would say canada is more free.
Also many poor countries are very free, although more difficult to make money. Thailand is a great example.
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Again, that is a terrible comparison. A girl who is raped has no choice. The workers in the bread factory do. They can easily collect their paycheck and leave. ::)
Uberman should speak on this, he works at something akin to a bread Factory.
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dont you guys have unions and courts for these issues?
we have got no mimimal wage in switzerland(its pointless to have one anyway imo), but the employer cant get away with such behaviour here.
Yes, we do. And if the story in the bread factory actually was occuring, it would be very easy to go to EEOC, OSHA, or Dept of Labor and get it rectified.
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dont you guys have unions and courts for these issues?
we have got no mimimal wage in switzerland(its pointless to have one anyway imo), but the employer cant get away with such behaviour here.
We do. If anyone wanted to pursue the matter, they would get their money and then some from the court system.
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And they do, there is huge turnover on unskilled labor jobs. But the point is they fuck you out out money FIRST, and force you to accept it or leave.because you are easily replaced. And they don't tell you when you get hired..."we are going to play games with your paycheck, not give you breaks and if you complain you're fired." Just stop talking already.
You sound a little bitter. Do you possibly work in said bread factory? :D
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You sound a little bitter. Do you possibly work in said bread factory? :D
Translation: i have no retort.
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Yes, we do. And if the story in the bread factory actually was occuring, it would be very easy to go to EEOC, OSHA, or Dept of Labor and get it rectified.
Exactly. They work extremely fast on those kind of matters.
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hm, is there something like avergae wage for factory repetitive job in the usa?
is there something like minimum wage?
how much are those?
what does 1or2 room flat cost to rent,or to buy?
we dont want you near our American women. 8)
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And they do, there is huge turnover on unskilled labor jobs. But the point is they fuck you out out money FIRST, and force you to accept it or leave.because you are easily replaced. And they don't tell you when you get hired..."we are going to play games with your paycheck, not give you breaks and if you complain you're fired." Just stop talking already.
By law there has to be breaks and they can`t mess with your paycheck.
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Friend of mine is management at a bread manufacturing plant. They hire temps and immigrants, fuck them out of OT..dont give them the break periods mandated by labor laws, and if anyone barks about it they are gone the next day. Immigration raids the place every three months. The blue collar supervisors on the floor get bonuses for keeping labor hours under a certain number with no dropoff in production...Just one example.
What is the companies name? We can look it up and see if they have been under investigation and if they have been in repeated violation. Surely if they have raided it every 3 months its definitely on the National radar. Which Bread Company is it? It can`t be Sara Lee. I haven`t read anything like that in a long time.
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And they do, there is huge turnover on unskilled labor jobs. But the point is they fuck you out out money FIRST, and force you to accept it or leave.because you are easily replaced. And they don't tell you when you get hired..."we are going to play games with your paycheck, not give you breaks and if you complain you're fired." Just stop talking already.
They can't do that, it's illegal, and would be easily challenged by anyone of the workers if they wanted to. As i've said before, it's all up to the individual. He/she controls their own destiny. In the example of the bread workers, they have 3 choices:
1. Take it.
2. Quit and find another job.
3. Fight it, get reimbursed, and pwn the bread boss.
So what's it going to be buddy? You gonna keep taking it? :D
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LOL at Americans thinking they are free. Americans are proof that you don't have to provide freedom for the people, just the illusion of it. The Government has arse raped the people for decades, stripped them of every conceivable freedom, severely limited their choices, impoverished them, created a police state and yet give an American a gun, and he thinks he is free. I honestly believe the American Government is overjoyed at the Gun Obsession in America, they realised long ago they could do whatever they like to American citizens as long as a citizen is allowed a gun, they couldn't care less how much the Government wants to rape them.
All these gun nutters thought they would have to deal with Government tyranny in the form of force, instead the Government just tyrannised them politically and with propaganda. The fact Americans think they are free is the greatest testament to how powerful the American Government propaganda system has become. The average American will even defend the Government that has been arse raping him for decades. Talk about clever bastards.
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LOL at Americans thinking they are free. Americans are proof that you don't have to provide freedom for the people, just the illusion of it. The Government has arse raped the people for decades, stripped them of every conceivable freedom, severely limited their choices, impoverished them, created a police state and yet give an American a gun, and he thinks he is free. I honestly believe the American Government is overjoyed at the Gun Obsession in America, they realised long ago they could do whatever they like to American citizens as long as a citizen is allowed a gun, they couldn't care less how much the Government wants to rape them.
All these gun nutters thought they would have to deal with Government tyranny in the form of force, instead the Government just tyrannised them politically and with propaganda. The fact Americans think they are free is the greatest testament to how powerful the American Government propaganda system has become. The average American will even defend the Government that has been arse raping him for decades. Talk about clever bastards.
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What Freedom has been stripped from us?
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What Freedom has been stripped from us?
LOL
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LOL at Americans thinking they are free. Americans are proof that you don't have to provide freedom for the people, just the illusion of it. The Government has arse raped the people for decades, stripped them of every conceivable freedom, severely limited their choices, impoverished them, created a police state and yet give an American a gun, and he thinks he is free. I honestly believe the American Government is overjoyed at the Gun Obsession in America, they realised long ago they could do whatever they like to American citizens as long as a citizen is allowed a gun, they couldn't care less how much the Government wants to rape them.
All these gun nutters thought they would have to deal with Government tyranny in the form of force, instead the Government just tyrannised them politically and with propaganda. The fact Americans think they are free is the greatest testament to how powerful the American Government propaganda system has become. The average American will even defend the Government that has been arse raping him for decades. Talk about clever bastards.
Luke, please stop trying to act like you have a clue what you're talking about. You have no idea how America or Americans work. Everytime you start blathering about Americans, and American govt, you couldn't much further from the truth. Please stop, you know not what you speak of.
On a side note, I still want to take you hunting if you ever come over to the states. If you don't like shooting animals, I can respect that. We can go shoot targets instead. :D
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LOL
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Luke, please stop trying to act like you have a clue what you're talking about. You have no idea how America or Americans work. Everytime you start blathering about Americans, and American govt, you couldn't much further from the truth. Please stop, you know not what you speak of.
On a side note, I still want to take you hunting if you ever come over to the states. If you don't like shooting animals, I can respect that. We can go shoot targets instead. :D
I knew it wouldn't be long before someone proved my point.
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They can't do that, it's illegal, and would be easily challenged by anyone of the workers if they wanted to. As i've said before, it's all up to the individual. He/she controls their own destiny. In the example of the bread workers, they have 3 choices:
1. Take it.
2. Quit and find another job.
3. Fight it, get reimbursed, and pwn the bread boss.
So what's it going to be buddy? You gonna keep taking it? :D
speaking of taking it, your mother is quite the filthy whore :)
But kudos on failing yet again to dispute my point. Yes there are avenues to combat this, the point is it happens , and is rich people fucking poor people. You actually proved my point for me stupid...thanks.
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I knew it wouldn't be long before someone proved my point.
??? What Freedom has been stripped from us?
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OH, you were serious - An example of some of the eroded freedoms are these:
Assassination of U.S. citizens
Indefinite detention
Arbitrary justice
Warrantless searches
Secret evidence
Secret courts
Immunity from judicial review
Continual monitoring of citizens
Extraordinary renditions
Add to this extremely low minimum wages, a shitty welfare and health system, a high crime rate for industrialised country, an elitist corporate run corrupt Government, police state mentality, a class based education system and a culture of violence ---> America = Shitty place to live.
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speaking of taking it, your mother is quite the filthy whore :)
But kudos on failing yet again to dispute my point. Yes there are avenues to combat this, the point is it happens , and is rich people fucking poor people. You actually proved my point for me stupid...thanks.
To each his own I guess. Some see the glass half full, and some see it half empty. Oh, and tough break on the whole bread factory job thing. That must suck for you. :D
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OH, you were serious - An example of some of the eroded freedoms are these:
Assassination of U.S. citizens
Indefinite detention
Arbitrary justice
Warrantless searches
Secret evidence
Secret courts
Immunity from judicial review
Continual monitoring of citizens
Extraordinary renditions
Add to this extremely low minimum wages, a shitty welfare and health system, a high crime rate for industrialised country, an elitist corporate run corrupt Government, police state mentality, a class based education system and a culture of violence ---> America = Shitty place to live.
Again, you truly have no clue what you're talking about. Please stop believing everything you read on the internet, and please stop obsessing over America.
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To each his own I guess. Some see the glass half full, and some see it half empty. Oh, and tough break on the whole bread factory job thing. That must suck for you. :D
I appreciate your conceding defeat. It was rather easy on my part to be honest.
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lol id turn a whole state into a brothel in no time :D
Bro, you could truly be the king of Jersey. You could run the clubs with an iron fist. :D
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I appreciate your conceding defeat. It was rather easy on my part to be honest.
Concede defeat? Were we competing? What the fuck did I miss? ???
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Again, you truly have no clue what you're talking about. Please stop believing everything you read on the internet, and please stop obsessing over America.
Hey Twaddle, you better not go outside tomorrow, you might be a victim of rendition and then they will take you to the secret courts and present secret evidence in an effort to seek indefinite detention so they can procure arbitrary justice on you stemming from a Warrant-less search that is classified under the immunity from Judicial review clause that is part of the Illumanti`s plan to continually monitor citizens in order to control the banks.
Best stay inside my friend.
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Concede defeat? Were we competing? What the fuck did I miss? ???
LOL
internet backpedaling 101 in TWATles last three posts. :D
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I appreciate your conceding defeat. It was rather easy on my part to be honest.
Twaddle is typical of those who have had good fortune and linked it somehow to their superior work ethic or their humongous brain. This is a typical trait of those who have never had to endure real suffering or tragedy. It comes from a blame the victim mentality, which is really quite perverse, this mentality suggests that if someone is suffering or impoverished, they must have brought it on themselves, their couldn't possible be a system exploiting people, keeping them serfs to a corrupt system, keeping them chained to a life of drudgery and lack of REAL choice. Also, by blaming the victim, one doesn't have to do anything about it, one doesn't have to accept responsibility for their environment, or their culture or their part in the whole mess, they can go on consuming, destroying the environment, doing whatever it is the fuck they please all guilt free and never having to contribute to improving the system that fucks the majority of people over.
If you look at society like a team, the very first thing a shitty team does when they fail is find a scapegoat, someone in the team to blame. A good team acknowledges those that need help, bring them up to speed and the team is now stronger and more capable. America is the shitty team.
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Hey Twaddle, you better not go outside tomorrow, you might be a victim of rendition and then they will take you to the secret courts and present secret evidence in an effort to seek indefinite detention so they can procure arbitrary justice on you stemming from a Warrant-less search that is classified under the immunity from Judicial review clause that is part of the Illumanti`s plan to continually monitor citizens in order to control the banks.
Best stay inside my friend.
What was I thinking, as long as it's not happening to you, who gives a fuck right, I forgot about the American motto, "FUCK EVERYONE ELSE, I'M ALRIGHT JACK" - and you won't be so smug when economic conditions change and the legislative changes you mock now will affect the average citizen more and more.
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LOL
internet backpedaling 101 in TWATles last three posts. :D
I think it's obvious that I disposed of you like yesterdays newspaper. Now please, let's move along, you starting to look like a useless gimmick. ::)
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Hey Twaddle, you better not go outside tomorrow, you might be a victim of rendition and then they will take you to the secret courts and present secret evidence in an effort to seek indefinite detention so they can procure arbitrary justice on you stemming from a Warrant-less search that is classified under the immunity from Judicial review clause that is part of the Illumanti`s plan to continually monitor citizens in order to control the banks.
Best stay inside my friend.
Yes, i'm constantly on the lookout. Around every corner, the govt could be waiting to snatch me up. I keep my doors barricaded at night in fear of the warrent less search and siezures. Fuck this is a crazy country we live in. Very wild wild west, very unpredictable. :D
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Twaddle is typical of those who have had good fortune and linked it somehow to their superior work ethic or their humongous brain. This is a typical trait of those who have never had to endure real suffering or tragedy. It comes from a blame the victim mentality, which is really quite perverse, this mentality suggests that if someone is suffering or impoverished, they must have brought it on themselves, their couldn't possible be a system exploiting people, keeping them serfs to a corrupt system, keeping them chained to a life of drudgery and lack of REAL choice. Also, by blaming the victim, one doesn't have to do anything about it, one doesn't have to accept responsibility for their environment, or their culture or their part in the whole mess, they can go on consuming, destroying the environment, doing whatever it is the fuck they please all guilt free and never having to contribute to improving the system that fucks the majority of people over.
If you look at society like a team, the very first thing a shitty team does when they fail is find a scapegoat, someone in the team to blame. A good team acknowledges those that need help, bring them up to speed and the team is now stronger and more capable. America is the shitty team.
Please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you just said about me couldn't be further from the truth. You're just making assumptions at this point, and you're wrong. Luke, I know your life sucks. I know your pitbull attack has ruined your life. I agree, it sucks, and I hope I never have to endure what you've gone through, and are going through. Physically and financially. However, at some point you have to ask yourself, am I going to keep feeling sorry for myself, and blaming the pitbull, or am I going to get on with my life. You've got to drop this negative attitude, and stop blaming everyone else. What happened to you was a freak accident. Get over it, and move on with your life.
PS, let me know when you want to go shoot guns. I think it could be very theraputic for you. :D
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syntax and uberman have the best posts in this thread.
freedom is a bogus concept, by the way. everything competes with everything else, the strong wins over the weak. nothing is "free" from anything else; the illusion of freedom occurs when one has the power to do what one wants, and nothing can stop him.
the rape analogy made earlier in the thread was actually a good one... everyone seems to "have a choice" until they can't follow through, because something more powerful took their "choice" away. not everyone can just "work hard" and get a good job... there are tons of people who can work as hard as they want, but are pushed out of the good jobs by people smarter, more capable, or more advantageously positioned within society. not everyone who "trains hard" can be a good bodybuilder.
in fact, the best people in every field usually like what they do, and have great aptitude for it. for them, it isn't "hard" at all -- failing, giving up, or being "lazy" would actually be harder.
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syntax and uberman have the best posts in this thread.
freedom is a bogus concept, by the way. everything competes with everything else, the strong wins over the weak. nothing is "free" from anything else; the illusion of freedom occurs when one has the power to do what one wants, and nothing can stop him.
the rape analogy made earlier in the thread was actually a good one... everyone seems to "have a choice" until they can't follow through, because something more powerful took their "choice" away. not everyone can just "work hard" and get a good job... there are tons of people who can work as hard as they want, but are pushed out of the good jobs by people smarter, more capable, or more advantageously positioned within society. not everyone who "trains hard" can be a good bodybuilder.
in fact, the best people in every field usually like what they do, and have great aptitude for it. for them, it isn't "hard" at all -- failing, giving up, or being "lazy" would actually be harder.
I can agree with that. I used to be broke as hell. Then I just studied and worked til I found a way to be successful. Now I am living very well. The game is all about figuring out the little tricks.
But I just went across the USA and I saw so much poverty and homelessness. And then of course there is the crime that goes along with it. I saw a lot of gnarly shit. It is seriously out of control in my opinion. If it's the best country in the world, we should be able to have much less poverty and crime.
They keep them struggling, to keep them working like slaves through currency manipulation.
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the girl i have currently an affair with is some doctor, she often randomly jst goes to the poor shitholes with red cross etc,those organisations,you know who help in the piss poor countries.
she dont get no pay there, just some housing,sometimes sleeps in the dirt literaly and eats the food from famaily which provides shelter, or gets 2usd a day from the org to eat with free housing.
she doesnt do it to help per se, she does it to remind herself on how good we have it here.
she told me stories,which almost made me wanna go too.
those places have fuck all in a pharmacy, not even the most basic things.what i mean even if they somehow get ahold of some money, they cont buy meds or anything,no syringue,no plaster, no nothing, bc its simply not available.
its all relative ,even the last weed smopking hippie doley who can type big words on how the world sucks for him from a pc with electricity is filthy rich compared to them.
i was mch like these guys myself when younger, i have changed my views entirely on these matters.
i came from a war riddled shithole to here myself, its all good.i cant buy the newest ferarri, so what the world wont go under.
living a much better life than i ever would where i came from
I applaud you. You're proof that you are what you make of yourself. You come from a shitty country, and didn't like it, so you moved. And for that, you were rewarded with what you have now. You may not be rich, but you're happy. You really should come to the USA. I think you would be very happy here.
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the girl i have currently an affair with is some doctor, she often randomly jst goes to the poor shitholes with red cross etc,those organisations,you know who help in the piss poor countries.
she dont get no pay there, just some housing,sometimes sleeps in the dirt literaly and eats the food from famaily which provides shelter, or gets 2usd a day from the org to eat with free housing.
she doesnt do it to help per se, she does it to remind herself on how good we have it here.
she told me stories,which almost made me wanna go too.
those places have fuck all in a pharmacy, not even the most basic things.what i mean even if they somehow get ahold of some money, they cont buy meds or anything,no syringue,no plaster, no nothing, bc its simply not available.
its all relative ,even the last weed smopking hippie doley who can type big words on how the world sucks for him from a pc with electricity is filthy rich compared to them.
i was mch like these guys myself when younger, i have changed my views entirely on these matters.
i came from a war riddled shithole to here myself, its all good.i cant buy the newest ferarri, so what the world wont go under.
living a much better life than i ever would where i came from
Yeah I have been to some of the poorest countries myself. We Americans are spoiled compared to them. I've seen places where people are dying on the streets and people are starving with flies all over their face.
I am thankful I don't live in a place like that. But compared to other rich countries, america has some big problems. There are some major quirks to be worked out, but overall it is a great country. I just want it to be better.
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I applaud you. You're proof that you are what you make of yourself. You come from a shitty country, and didn't like it, so you moved. And for that, you were rewarded with what you have now. You may not be rich, but you're happy. You really should come to the USA. I think you would be very happy here.
But twattle, what about all the fellas who come to the USA from abroad and end up mopping up piss for a living?
It's not so glamorous for them is it? There's two sides to every coin.
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Please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you just said about me couldn't be further from the truth. You're just making assumptions at this point, and you're wrong. Luke, I know your life sucks. I know your pitbull attack has ruined your life. I agree, it sucks, and I hope I never have to endure what you've gone through, and are going through. Physically and financially. However, at some point you have to ask yourself, am I going to keep feeling sorry for myself, and blaming the pitbull, or am I going to get on with my life. You've got to drop this negative attitude, and stop blaming everyone else. What happened to you was a freak accident. Get over it, and move on with your life.
PS, let me know when you want to go shoot guns. I think it could be very theraputic for you. :D
My life doesn't suck, it is not me I am talking about, I have made plenty of money in my life, I have never gone hungry and never spent a night homeless. In a lot of respects I have led a privileged life, I enjoy and continue to learn, and believe my Interior life, for me personally is very fulfilling and rewarding. I have personally found a way to live the way I want and am happy with that. My argument is with this pull yourself up by the bootstraps mentality, that suggests the harder you work, the more you benefit. This is simply not true, and if it was, The Chinese would be the richest people in the world.
Does anybody really believe that Donald trump outworks anybody, or that he works so much harder that his rewards is worth millions more than you, or in Australia Gina Reinhardt, who has never laboured for a second in her life, yet is one of the wealthiest people in the world.. The fact is, the system was created by the Elite for the Elite and tends to keep people within their class. Only a small minority move up in class, and even then it is often only the result of those from higher classes giving them the opportunity too. Poverty, homelessness, poor health etc don't happen in a vacuum, their are systems in place that enables these things to happen, they are the result of inefficient systems, they stay that way because part of that system is to keep the majority of people in a cycle of continuously having to chase a dollar just to survive that they have zero time to address the important stuff. Spending your entire life trying to secure housing and work is not natural, it is due to design, and it ensures the Elite maintain power over others and cannot threaten their position within society.
For fuck sakes, most species of monkey spend only a few hours a day seeking food and resources, the rest of the time they have for leisure, even monkeys have worked out a superior system to humans. Humanity has been enslaved by the Elite, this is undeniable, if a man was left to his own resources, he could secure the resources he needs in a fraction of the time that is currently required under a capitalist democratic system, Humanity lives under an Elitist system that leaves the individual little choice when it comes to how he chooses to live his life.
And even if a man raises above some shitty third world existence, he gets a decent education and a well paid position, he is still a slave, sure he has all the comforts in life, but his time is not his own, how he chooses to spend his time is given up for the sake of guaranteeing these resources in the future. he has rented himself out to the highest bidder, and is now a serf to a corporate master, a capitalist ideal. For few people make it too the point were they are wealthy enough that they truly are free to spend the rest of their lives in any manner they choose, and if they made it their from a poor start, they are generally burnt out and have sold out and are now a shell of a human being. Not to mention the insecurity that comes from such a position, as their wealth is generally tied up in volatile propositions.
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My life doesn't suck, it is not me I am talking about, I have made plenty of money in my life, I have never gone hungry and never spent a night homeless. In a lot of respects I have led a privileged life, I enjoy and continue to learn, and believe my Interior life, for me personally is very fulfilling and rewarding. I have personally found a way to live the way I want and am happy with that. My argument is with this pull yourself up by the bootstraps mentality, that suggests the harder you work, the more you benefit. This is simply not true, and if it was, The Chinese would be the richest people in the world.
Does anybody really believe that Donald trump outworks anybody, or that he works so much harder that his rewards is worth millions more than you, or in Australia Gina Reinhardt, who has never laboured for a second in her life, yet is one of the wealthiest people in the world.. The fact is, the system was created by the Elite for the Elite and tends to keep people within their class. Only a small minority move up in class, and even then it is often only the result of those from higher classes giving them the opportunity too. Poverty, homelessness, poor health etc don't happen in a vacuum, their are systems in place that enables these things to happen, they are the result of inefficient systems, they stay that way because part of that system is to keep the majority of people in a cycle of continuously having to chase a dollar just to survive that they have zero time to address the important stuff. Spending your entire life trying to secure housing and work is not natural, it is due to design, and it ensures the Elite maintain power over others and cannot threaten their position within society.
For fuck sakes, most species of monkey spend only a few hours a day seeking food and resources, the rest of the time they have for leisure, even monkeys have worked out a superior system to humans. Humanity has been enslaved by the Elite, this is undeniable, if a man was left to his own resources, he could secure the resources he needs in a fraction of the time that is currently required under a capitalist democratic system, Humanity lives under an Elitist system that leaves the individual little choice when it comes to how he chooses to live his life.
Yup. Getting rich these days is all about tricks, schemes, and complex plans, and often, fucking over others in some way.
Simply working hard will keep you at the bottom level of society as a working tool. And the more money you start with the easier it is to move up.
"Old money" controls this world for the most part.
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But twattle, what about all the fellas who come to the USA from abroad and end up mopping up piss for a living?
It's not so glamorous for them is it? There's two sides to every coin.
I don't know them, who are you referring to?
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My life doesn't suck, it is not me I am talking about, I have made plenty of money in my life, I have never gone hungry and never spent a night homeless. In a lot of respects I have led a privileged life, I enjoy and continue to learn, and believe my Interior life, for me personally is very fulfilling and rewarding. I have personally found a way to live the way I want and am happy with that. My argument is with this pull yourself up by the bootstraps mentality, that suggests the harder you work, the more you benefit. This is simply not true, and if it was, The Chinese would be the richest people in the world.
Does anybody really believe that Donald trump outworks anybody, or that he works so much harder that his rewards is worth millions more than you, or in Australia Gina Reinhardt, who has never laboured for a second in her life, yet is one of the wealthiest people in the world.. The fact is, the system was created by the Elite for the Elite and tends to keep people within their class. Only a small minority move up in class, and even then it is often only the result of those from higher classes giving them the opportunity too. Poverty, homelessness, poor health etc don't happen in a vacuum, their are systems in place that enables these things to happen, they are the result of inefficient systems, they stay that way because part of that system is to keep the majority of people in a cycle of continuously having to chase a dollar just to survive that they have zero time to address the important stuff. Spending your entire life trying to secure housing and work is not natural, it is due to design, and it ensures the Elite maintain power over others and cannot threaten their position within society.
For fuck sakes, most species of monkey spend only a few hours a day seeking food and resources, the rest of the time they have for leisure, even monkeys have worked out a superior system to humans. Humanity has been enslaved by the Elite, this is undeniable, if a man was left to his own resources, he could secure the resources he needs in a fraction of the time that is currently required under a capitalist democratic system, Humanity lives under an Elitist system that leaves the individual little choice when it comes to how he chooses to live his life.
And even if a man raises above some shitty third world existence, he gets a decent education and a well paid position, he is still a slave, sure he has all the comforts in life, but his time is not his own, how he chooses to spend his time is given up for the sake of guaranteeing these resources in the future. he has rented himself out to the highest bidder, and is now a serf to a corporate master, a capitalist ideal. For few people make it too the point were they are wealthy enough that they truly are free to spend the rest of their lives in any manner they choose, and if they made it their from a poor start, they are generally burnt out and have sold out and are now a shell of a human being. Not to mention the insecurity that comes from such a position, as their wealth is generally tied up in volatile propositions.
Goddamn, you're one negative, miserable person. I truly don't know what else to say. I really don't know how you can ever succeed in life with your attitude. You seem to think that everythign is predetermined, and that we have no control over our lives. I wish you the best though.
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Goddamn, you're one negative, miserable person. I truly don't know what else to say. I really don't know how you can ever succeed in life with your attitude. You seem to think that everythign is predetermined, and that we have no control over our lives. I wish you the best though.
I don't really know what you mean by success in life, the majority of people you would consider successful, I Imagine I would see as Life's losers, serfs who have sold out to help some corporate master live his dream at the expense of theirs. As for me I have found a way to utilise my time the way I want and still have all the resources I ever dreamed of. And seeing reality for what it is is not miserable, it just indicates an intellectual honest mindset, and I didn't say we have no control but limited control over our lives. If people had control over their lives, why would they choose to be raped, beaten or shot or to get cancer or any other number of crappy things happen to them. The fact is, we have very little control over what happens to us, if people have avoided these crappy things, it is not because of anything they have done, it is called good fortune. Too many people take good fortune and claim it as their own doing.
You seem to have an unrealistic optimistic mindset, perhaps the result of reading too many New Age books. I had to laugh because recently their was a study done on some older people, and they discovered the pessimists outlived the optimists, mainly because they had a more realistic appraisal of things and took the necessary precautions. Too often I think people force themselves to be optimistic as a way of avoiding reality and warding of some grief within their lives. For some reason people expect to be happy, not realising that the middle ground is the most desirable. Like abject misery, extreme happiness or optimism is dangerous and to be avoided.
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I don't really know what you mean by success in life, the majority of people you would consider successful, I Imagine I would see as Life's losers, serfs who have sold out to help some corporate master live his dream at the expense of theirs. As for me I have found a way to utilise my time the way I want and still have all the resources I ever dreamed of. And seeing reality for what it is is not miserable, it just indicates an intellectual honest mindset, and I didn't say we have no control but limited control over our lives. If people had control over their lives, why would they choose to be raped, beaten or shot or to get cancer or any other number of crappy things happen to them. The fact is, we have very little control over what happens to us, if people have avoided these crappy things, it is not because of anything they have done, it is called good fortune. Too many people take good fortune and claim it as their own doing.
You seem to have an unrealistic optimistic mindset, perhaps the result of reading too many New Age books. I had to laugh because recently their was a study done on some older people, and they discovered the pessimists outlived the optimists, mainly because they had a more realistic appraisal of things and took the necessary precautions. Too often I think people force themselves to be optimistic as a way of avoiding reality and warding of some grief within their lives. For some reason people expect to be happy, not realising that the middle ground is the most desirable. Like abject misery, extreme happiness or optimism is dangerous and to be avoided.
Let me remind you of the famous words of a promiscuous man who, in 1993 stood beside an Ice Machine outside Room 7 at the Mirage Hotel and declared, "Sometimes you get the elevator, sometimes you get the shaft".
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I don't really know what you mean by success in life, the majority of people you would consider successful, I Imagine I would see as Life's losers, serfs who have sold out to help some corporate master live his dream at the expense of theirs. As for me I have found a way to utilise my time the way I want and still have all the resources I ever dreamed of. And seeing reality for what it is is not miserable, it just indicates an intellectual honest mindset, and I didn't say we have no control but limited control over our lives. If people had control over their lives, why would they choose to be raped, beaten or shot or to get cancer or any other number of crappy things happen to them. The fact is, we have very little control over what happens to us, if people have avoided these crappy things, it is not because of anything they have done, it is called good fortune. Too many people take good fortune and claim it as their own doing.
You seem to have an unrealistic optimistic mindset, perhaps the result of reading too many New Age books. I had to laugh because recently their was a study done on some older people, and they discovered the pessimists outlived the optimists, mainly because they had a more realistic appraisal of things and took the necessary precautions. Too often I think people force themselves to be optimistic as a way of avoiding reality and warding of some grief within their lives. For some reason people expect to be happy, not realising that the middle ground is the most desirable. Like abject misery, extreme happiness or optimism is dangerous and to be avoided.
What you call optomism, I call realism. I grab the bull by the horns, and I take it for a ride. I control my life, and my life has only improved, and will only continue to improve. HTH.
PS, when do you want to go shoot? :D
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What you call optomism, I call realism. I grab the bull by the horns, and I take it for a ride. I control my life, and my life has only improved, and will only continue to improve. HTH.
PS, when do you want to go shoot? :D
That's cool man, I actually like you and am glad your life is fulfilling. If I ever come to America, which I doubt, I would consider shooting guns at a range, but to tell the truth, I don't feel any compulsion too, not because of my views on the Gun issue, it is just something that doesn't appeal to me. No different if someone invited my to try lawn bowls or badminton., I love where I live now, I truly do, and feel little to no compulsion to travel. it is a beautiful part of the world and close to a bush mountain range which I enjoy regular trail walks in.
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I don't really know what you mean by success in life, the majority of people you would consider successful, I Imagine I would see as Life's losers, serfs who have sold out to help some corporate master live his dream at the expense of theirs. As for me I have found a way to utilise my time the way I want and still have all the resources I ever dreamed of. And seeing reality for what it is is not miserable, it just indicates an intellectual honest mindset, and I didn't say we have no control but limited control over our lives. If people had control over their lives, why would they choose to be raped, beaten or shot or to get cancer or any other number of crappy things happen to them. The fact is, we have very little control over what happens to us, if people have avoided these crappy things, it is not because of anything they have done, it is called good fortune. Too many people take good fortune and claim it as their own doing.
You seem to have an unrealistic optimistic mindset, perhaps the result of reading too many New Age books. I had to laugh because recently their was a study done on some older people, and they discovered the pessimists outlived the optimists, mainly because they had a more realistic appraisal of things and took the necessary precautions. Too often I think people force themselves to be optimistic as a way of avoiding reality and warding of some grief within their lives. For some reason people expect to be happy, not realising that the middle ground is the most desirable. Like abject misery, extreme happiness or optimism is dangerous and to be avoided.
This is relevant.
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What I am reading in this thread is that people are equating Freedom = having $ or more opportunities to make money. I actually think the opposite is true, the quest for wealth and money usually makes you a slave to the mechanism that gives it to you.
What people have more freedom than the united states (or any other "free" country for that matter)? Well, for starters, the tribes that live in the Brazilian rain forests, completely separated from civilization. They don't have social security numbers, don't have to pay taxes or bank fees, don't have a boss they have to obey or a job that dictates what time they have to be there at. They get food, water, and shelter from the land and don't have to pay anybody for it. May not be fancy but it's all they need. Once they have food for the day, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Just think about it, the whole reason this (North America) became known as the "Free World" was because when people started coming here from Europe, there was no government, or very little. People came to escape the oppression and high taxes they were being charged with by the Monarchies in Europe. They came here, built their homes from scratch, and worked the land for food. To them that was freedom, even though they had no money. Since then, this has always been known as the free world, and we have been brainwashed from a young age into thinking "We are so lucky to live in a free country", and blindly believing that it is terrible to live in any other part of the world.
Imagine a country where a civilian, is told he must fight in a war he doesn't believe in, and if he refuses is sent to prison....but of course that wouldn't happen in a free country like the US. Tell that to Muhammad Ali.
So you feel that because you make good money and have a good living that equals freedom? Think about it. The government, the IRS, the bank, your employer, all basically have you by the balls. Still feel free?
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Good Post - I remember when I was growing up, their was a definite optimism, a subtle promise of in the not to distant future that technology would take over, make shitty work redundant, there would be a shorter work week and far more leisure time with plenty of the necessary resources to go around. I guess the Elites didn't like that idea !
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What I am reading in this thread is that people are equating Freedom = having $ or more opportunities to make money. I actually think the opposite is true, the quest for wealth and money usually makes you a slave to the mechanism that gives it to you.
What people have more freedom than the united states (or any other "free" country for that matter)? Well, for starters, the tribes that live in the Brazilian rain forests, completely separated from civilization. They don't have social security numbers, don't have to pay taxes or bank fees, don't have a boss they have to obey or a job that dictates what time they have to be there at. They get food, water, and shelter from the land and don't have to pay anybody for it. May not be fancy but it's all they need. Once they have food for the day, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Just think about it, the whole reason this (North America) became known as the "Free World" was because when people started coming here from Europe, there was no government, or very little. People came to escape the oppression and high taxes they were being charged with by the Monarchies in Europe. They came here, built their homes from scratch, and worked the land for food. To them that was freedom, even though they had no money. Since then, this has always been known as the free world, and we have been brainwashed from a young age into thinking "We are so lucky to live in a free country", and blindly believing that it is terrible to live in any other part of the world.
Imagine a country where a civilian, is told he must fight in a war he doesn't believe in, and if he refuses is sent to prison....but of course that wouldn't happen in a free country like the US. Tell that to Muhammad Ali.
So you feel that because you make good money and have a good living that equals freedom? Think about it. The government, the IRS, the bank, your employer, all basically have you by the balls. Still feel free?
Good post.
As you said, the western world has now developed to the point that you are expected to get a job and your taxes will be required to pay for government projects....opting out is not an option unless you enjoy being on the receiving end of state handouts.
What people in first world countries actually enjoy is the perception of freedom....give somebody an uncensored internet, a car on the driveway and a vote every few years and people are mostly happy to accept this form of freedom.
All the time a government (democratically elected or otherwise) can call the shots and fuck about with people's lives then an individual isnt truly free.
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Good post.
As you said, the western world has now developed to the point that you are expected to get a job and your taxes will be required to pay for government projects....opting out is not an option unless you enjoy being on the receiving end of state handouts.
What people in first world countries actually enjoy is the perception of freedom....give somebody an uncensored internet, a car on the driveway and a vote every few years and people are mostly happy to accept this form of freedom.
All the time a government (democratically elected or otherwise) can call the shots and fuck about with people's lives then an individual isnt truly free.
If you really think about it, humans have gradually moved from a truly free state of being to slowly becoming enslaved by a so called civilised system. Many indigenous cultures had more freedom than we currently do, and they had plenty of time left over for art, music and dance. I suppose the trade off is we have better health and medical, stable access to clean drinking water and arguably better food management. If we can only get our time back and still have a roof over our head, food, water and medicine we might be onto something, but I can't see how the system is going to change from here on out, unless their is a catalyst like world war, economic collapse or natural disaster, I think we are stuck with this rigid system that locks you into a narrow state of existence.
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The state and society gave me exactly what is given to everyone else. Nothing less, nothing more. What you do with it is up to you.
The goalposts, they are a-changin'.
My post pertained solely to your claim that you weren't given anything that helped you succeed. But what you've said above is certainly false as well, and trivially so: a Romney type who gets an elite, private primary education, free JD/MBA degrees from the Ivy League, and networking opportunities with some of the nation's premier governmental and economic elites from the get-go is not provided the same opportunities as most.
By asserting this I'm not thereby negating the role that personal, psychological factors have to play in determining a person's level of success; I'm simply saying that much, much else besides these factors contribute as well.
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The goalposts, they are a-changin'.
My post pertained solely to your claim that you weren't given anything that helped you succeed. But what you've said above is certainly false as well, and trivially so: a Romney type who gets an elite, private primary education, free JD/MBA degrees from the Ivy League, and networking opportunities with some of the nation's premier governmental and economic elites from the get-go is not provided the same opportunities as most.
By asserting this I'm not thereby negating the role that personal, psychological factors have to play in determining a person's level of success; I'm simply saying that much, much else besides these factors contribute as well.
And what is stopping any one individual from achieving those same things you just mentioned? Absolutely nothing. If a person desires it bad enough, they can achieve the exact same things as a rich kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth. They will certainly have to work harder, but that is beside the point.
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What I am reading in this thread is that people are equating Freedom = having $ or more opportunities to make money. I actually think the opposite is true, the quest for wealth and money usually makes you a slave to the mechanism that gives it to you.
What people have more freedom than the united states (or any other "free" country for that matter)? Well, for starters, the tribes that live in the Brazilian rain forests, completely separated from civilization. They don't have social security numbers, don't have to pay taxes or bank fees, don't have a boss they have to obey or a job that dictates what time they have to be there at. They get food, water, and shelter from the land and don't have to pay anybody for it. May not be fancy but it's all they need. Once they have food for the day, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Just think about it, the whole reason this (North America) became known as the "Free World" was because when people started coming here from Europe, there was no government, or very little. People came to escape the oppression and high taxes they were being charged with by the Monarchies in Europe. They came here, built their homes from scratch, and worked the land for food. To them that was freedom, even though they had no money. Since then, this has always been known as the free world, and we have been brainwashed from a young age into thinking "We are so lucky to live in a free country", and blindly believing that it is terrible to live in any other part of the world.
Imagine a country where a civilian, is told he must fight in a war he doesn't believe in, and if he refuses is sent to prison....but of course that wouldn't happen in a free country like the US. Tell that to Muhammad Ali.
So you feel that because you make good money and have a good living that equals freedom? Think about it. The government, the IRS, the bank, your employer, all basically have you by the balls. Still feel free?
Go live in the forest then in Brazilian rain forest. What is stopping you? I KNOW you would not last long.
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Go live in the forest then in Brazilian rain forest. What is stopping you? I KNOW you would not last long.
I didn't say I wanted to live in the rain forest, but lets say I did. You asked what is stopping me? Well, because of governmental restrictions (around the world), I can't just get up and fly to another country to live there...I have to apply for a visa. Now, I've never gone through the process before, but I know it isn't a simple and easy process. The country you are applying to go to has a bunch of rules and qualifications you have to satisfy before they will grant you permanent residency. So, imagine when they ask what I plan to do in their country and I say, "Well, I want to live in the rain forest, live off the land and not work or pay taxes." Do you honestly think they will just say Ok and let me in? lol
And even if they did allow me to do that....I would still be a citizen of my native country, and THEY would still expect me to file a tax return every year. So, after a year of living in the rain forest and not earning a single dime....I file a tax return showing I earned $0. What do you think will happen then?? Well I am damn sure they are gonna have questions for me....so guess what....now they're auditing me! LOL...face it we are all just property of the government.
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And what is stopping any one individual from achieving those same things you just mentioned? Absolutely nothing. If a person desires it bad enough, they can achieve the exact same things as a rich kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth. They will certainly have to work harder, but that is beside the point.
it's easy to say anyone can overcome some obstacle, because to "disprove" that claim seems almost impossible. but could your average street rat really obtain all these things if they simply "desire it bad enough"?
this leads to another problem for anyone willing to dispute your claim, how can someone's desire be measured? if we could somehow obtain a distribution of "life achievement" scores for each impoverished soul, no doubt individuals obtaining romney-esque scores would be one the extreme tail end of the curve. you could just say, "welp, none of the others desired it bad enough." is there any evidence for such a claim, though? i think common sense, at least, is not on your side... why would only say, .00001% of vagrants have "strong desire" when, if "desire = achievement", a much higher percentage of rich persons possess this kind of willpower.
And is willpower independent from any societal effect, as you seem to think? Does being raised in a harsh, depressing, even downright hostile environment have no effect on one's desire to succeed? If it has a negative effect, then you'll just say, "well that's why someone REALLY has to want it bad when they come 'from circumstances'", but then you've just admitted that society doesn't treat everyone equal, and there are indeed forces which inhibit someone's "freedom to achieve".
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I didn't say I wanted to live in the rain forest, but lets say I did. You asked what is stopping me? Well, because of governmental restrictions (around the world), I can't just get up and fly to another country to live there...I have to apply for a visa. Now, I've never gone through the process before, but I know it isn't a simple and easy process. The country you are applying to go to has a bunch of rules and qualifications you have to satisfy before they will grant you permanent residency. So, imagine when they ask what I plan to do in their country and I say, "Well, I want to live in the rain forest, live off the land and not work or pay taxes." Do you honestly think they will just say Ok and let me in? lol
And even if they did allow me to do that....I would still be a citizen of my native country, and THEY would still expect me to file a tax return every year. So, after a year of living in the rain forest and not earning a single dime....I file a tax return showing I earned $0. What do you think will happen then?? Well I am damn sure they are gonna have questions for me....so guess what....now they're auditing me! LOL...face it we are all just property of the government.
Excuses, Excuses...
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the movie american psycho is a hommage to whatd happen if everyone was rich btw.theres a message in there
I think the message in that movie was that nothing actually happened, it was all in his mind.
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I would bet my left nut most of you would not survive outside the US.
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I would bet my left nut most of you would not survive outside the US.
Why would we want to? ???
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Why would we want to? ???
zing ;D
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I would bet my left nut most of you would not survive outside the US.
surviving in the US is actually more difficult than many other countries if you are low on money.
If you are broke, the USA is actually a pretty harsh place.
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freedom or liberty.
what do ppl want, i think many confuse these 2 things.
the movie american psycho is a hommage to whatd happen if everyone was rich btw.theres a message in there
I think the message in that movie was that nothing actually happened, it was all in his mind.
I thought the movie was highlighting the inherent danger in excessive self interest like that displayed by the average serious bodybuilder. Excessive narcissism is encouraged in today's culture, thus increasing the conflict we have with others.
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I would bet my left nut most of you would not survive outside the US.
I have no doubt that they would THRIVE in a place like Australia. Australia must be one of the easiest places in the world to survive. We have outstanding health and welfare systems and as a Nation are incredibly tolerant of others.
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Great thread. E-Kul speaks the truth.
Those of you who are honestly having a hard time understanding why some of us don't like how the current system makes losers of so many might want to see this video:
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USA were known as the land of freedom, because you had the freedom to work harder than others and earn what you deserved as a result, while in others countries you would have had to share it with others socialists/communists. Toughest europeans killed indians and developped industries from nothing. This was their only "freedom". Freedom nowadays equals "doing nothing and playing video games, watching tv and porn all life long without having to work" for youths, well, youths raised by...single mothers.
Obviously they dont understand what they re talking about when they use the word "freedom". Freedom to create, dominate, is earned, not given. Nothing is free, and working gives you the freedom to buy others and enslave them instead of being enslaved by them.
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I've met a LOT of Americans who mooch off the system and don't work.
Most of them don't like it though. Most of them want to work and do something, but they just can't find anything besides minimum wage, and welfare pays about the same as that, so why would they want to work?
After a while they become hopelessness depressed. They do become lazy after a while, while but the system turned them in that direction by putting them in a dead end situation.
The notion that they are just lazy is bullshit. It's pro-capitalist propaganda designed to hide one of the biggest flaws in the system. It's an oversimplification of the real truth.
Lazy moochers are not born, they are created.
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Great thread. E-Kul speaks the truth.
Those of you who are honestly having a hard time understanding why some of us don't like how the current system makes losers of so many might want to see this video:
Great Youtube clip - gives people an interesting perspective. People get upset when you highlight the reality of the current paradigm, they see you as bitter, or jealous or lazy or any number of negative things. I think this happens in part because they truly don't understand how imbalanced it all is, they simply have trouble seeing beyond their current class (more than likely the one they were born into), they see the extreme lower classes as deserving of their poverty and because they themselves were raised in a higher class fail to see the insurmountable challenges the average child from a lower class has to overcome just to survive. When they look at the classes above them, they also fail to see or imagine the enormous difference in wealth and power, they attribute such wealth to hard work, not realising this is a myth and also an idea sold to them by the media and education system that those very Elites own.
The majority of Ideas that the middle and lower classes carry around are sold to them by the Elite upper classes, the majority of people fail to link the information they hold with the Elites who have sold it too them, not only do the middle and lower classes think what the Elites want them too, they actually pay for it. This is why the Elites see those below them as stupid, they can't believe how easy it all is, not only do the middle and lower classes not oppose them, they actually defend them. I think what any reasonable person desires is a more equitable system based on fairness. And it would take a hell of an argument to justify why a CEO of a large corporation is worth thousands of times more than his grass roots workers.
Also I think the other reason others don't like to hear the reality of the current paradigm is because it exposes them to a feeling of powerlessness, of swimming against a powerful current and they worry this will psychologically compromise them of their current ability to to just stay afloat. These people like to feel in control, a sense of power over their lives, it riles them to think they have far less control than they think they do and that they have been railroaded into an existence that suits the Elites and not necessarily their individual desires. It is easier to ignore the reality, read some new age books, force some optimism and just get on with it. In a way, these people have resigned themselves to their lot in life, which is easy for a lot of them, because they are well fed, clothed, educated and have suitable housing with access to utilities. Why would they want to rock the boat, all they need do is look around them to see others far worse off, they are just glad they are not one of them. As for speaking out about it, they don't see the point, like I said they have admitted defeat and are happy to just make the best of their current situation.
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
Also sold out to Monsanto.
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Also sold out to Monsanto.
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A moronic statement parroted by completely misinformed Liberal and Conservative idiots alike.
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A moronic statement parroted by completely misinformed Liberal and Conservative idiots alike.
LOL - pray, inform us ignorant fools o wise one...
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Whos got balls?
Americans
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Hungarian's
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Lots of people moaning about what "life" has done to them.
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1twLg&index=1 for everyone who isnt awake
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Whos got balls?
Americans
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Hungarian's
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things are easier without check and balances, you're point?
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Yes, I am YAGER. If you got a problem with that, you can find me in your Moms bedroom.
But anyway. I just wish Americans would face the truth, instead of all the macho patriotism. Probably won't happen though.
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With the exception of taxes (which I don`t entirely agree with), one does not have to participate in any of the above.
Tell me, which country has more freedom than the United States?
lol you have to have car insurance its the law you cant get out of that one. getting raped every month for something im never ever going to fucking use. ridiculous.
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???
Now you are pulling up my posts from weeks ago.
I own your mind.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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I would say canada is more free.
x2 - non-police state, no terrorist attacks on our soil, lower taxes for higher income earners, much lower crime rate, lower disparity between the upper class and lower, friendler people, and we get better treatment when abroad and people see our passport reads "Canada" and not the US, no housing crash or to a much lower extent, etc.
Still not perfect but much more favourable than living in the US. Only downside is the weather, but that's well worth the trade.
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x2 - non-police state, no terrorist attacks on our soil, lower taxes for higher income earners, much lower crime rate, lower disparity between the upper class and lower, friendler people, and we get better treatment when abroad and people see our passport reads "Canada" and not the US, no housing crash or to a much lower extent, etc.
Still not perfect but much more favourable than living in the US. Only downside is the weather, but that's well worth the trade.
Great post.
In small town america everybody is paranoid and armed with tons of guns, the stores are constantly sold out on ammo, crackheads everywhere, everyone acting macho. It's just too violent.
And the health care system is fucked. The prescription medicine system is fucked. You even have to jump through hoops just to get new glasses and contact lenses here.
America is almost a great country.we just need to fix a few things here.
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Great Youtube clip - gives people an interesting perspective. People get upset when you highlight the reality of the current paradigm, they see you as bitter, or jealous or lazy or any number of negative things. I think this happens in part because they truly don't understand how imbalanced it all is, they simply have trouble seeing beyond their current class (more than likely the one they were born into), they see the extreme lower classes as deserving of their poverty and because they themselves were raised in a higher class fail to see the insurmountable challenges the average child from a lower class has to overcome just to survive. When they look at the classes above them, they also fail to see or imagine the enormous difference in wealth and power, they attribute such wealth to hard work, not realising this is a myth and also an idea sold to them by the media and education system that those very Elites own.
The majority of Ideas that the middle and lower classes carry around are sold to them by the Elite upper classes, the majority of people fail to link the information they hold with the Elites who have sold it too them, not only do the middle and lower classes think what the Elites want them too, they actually pay for it. This is why the Elites see those below them as stupid, they can't believe how easy it all is, not only do the middle and lower classes not oppose them, they actually defend them. I think what any reasonable person desires is a more equitable system based on fairness. And it would take a hell of an argument to justify why a CEO of a large corporation is worth thousands of times more than his grass roots workers.
Also I think the other reason others don't like to hear the reality of the current paradigm is because it exposes them to a feeling of powerlessness, of swimming against a powerful current and they worry this will psychologically compromise them of their current ability to to just stay afloat. These people like to feel in control, a sense of power over their lives, it riles them to think they have far less control than they think they do and that they have been railroaded into an existence that suits the Elites and not necessarily their individual desires. It is easier to ignore the reality, read some new age books, force some optimism and just get on with it. In a way, these people have resigned themselves to their lot in life, which is easy for a lot of them, because they are well fed, clothed, educated and have suitable housing with access to utilities. Why would they want to rock the boat, all they need do is look around them to see others far worse off, they are just glad they are not one of them. As for speaking out about it, they don't see the point, like I said they have admitted defeat and are happy to just make the best of their current situation.
lets be honest here there is only two real classes, producers and consumers
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Great post.
In small town america everybody is paranoid and armed with tons of guns, the stores are constantly sold out on ammo, crackheads everywhere, everyone acting macho. It's just too violent.
And the health care system is fucked. The prescription medicine system is fucked. You even have to jump through hoops just to get new glasses and contact lenses here.
America is almost a great country.we just need to fix a few things here.
lot of things to be fixed bro. best start we can make is to have politicians who actually give a rat's ass about the USA, rather than their own political goals and their own image and lives. that wont ever happen though. this is america, anyone and anything can be bought.
pathetic
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With the exception of taxes (which I don`t entirely agree with), one does not have to participate in any of the above.
Tell me, which country has more freedom than the United States?
Depends on the measure...
Press Freedom
Finland, Netherlands, Norway, Luxembourg, Andorra, Denmark, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, Iceland, Sweded, Estonia, Austria, Jamaica, Switzerland, Ireland, Czech Republic, German, Costa Rica, Namibia, Canada, Belgium, Poland, Slovakia, Cyprus (pre crisis), Cape Verde, Australia, Uruguay, Portugal, United Kingdom, Ghana, Suriname
Economic Freedom
Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, Chile, Mauritius, Denmark
You don't have to travel that much to understand that the US is quite average when it comes to being free - what most Americans consider as "unique freedoms" in their country are actually commonplace around the world.
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lot of things to be fixed bro. best start we can make is to have politicians who actually give a rat's ass about the USA, rather than their own political goals and their own image and lives. that wont ever happen though. this is america, anyone and anything can be bought.
pathetic
Yeah, America is just too money oriented and the society is too enslaved by money. And the politicians pass laws that sell out the people, because corporations bribe them to do so.
Very heavy corruption in certain areas for sure.
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extortion and exploitation. courtesy of our psycho puppet masters.
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That is simply just not true.
I don`t think America is a crime infested place. The overwhelming majority of it is safer than anywhere in the world. Most of the United States is rural you know. Crime is committed largely by certain groups of people in cities. Its mostly localized to certain areas and is not prevalent if you take the entire United States as a whole in context.
The best thing you can do to help is to encourage stupid people not to breed. Champion abortion and petition your Congressman to support giving out tax incentives or some other incentive to NOT have children.
Abortion has been the most effective tool to reduce crime in the long run and nothing else comes close.
Good post TA, I missed this thread before!
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Most homes I see have the washing machine in the kitchen in Europe.
haha!! WTF?
No Laundry Room? ???
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Yeah, America is just too money oriented and the society is too enslaved by money. And the politicians pass laws that sell out the people, because corporations bribe them to do so.
Very heavy corruption in certain all areas for sure.
fixed.
think about it. only reason we are told to go to college is so that we can get a job. but the fact of the matter is, college degrees are a dime a fucking dozen. an undergrad degree is the new high school diploma, its just expected to get ANY decent job. but even if you have one, you need some experience and most college grads have none in their area of study, as they spent their college career delivering pizza or working at a grocery store for minimum wage. or not working at all lol. and the whole reason for this madness? so we can 'get a job' outside of the retail or fast food spectrum and actually make a reasonable living. and weve been told this all our lives, that to be happy and to live a good life one must have money. to have money, we need a job and a good one at that and only thru a university education can one achieve this with what is perceived to be minimal effort (and since humans always pick the easiest option, we all go with college). education is a business and they make a fucking killing, textbooks cost a buttload and a new edition is published every year at least that you have to buy NEW most of the time.its a business, and america has been sold. people no longer go to school to learn, but to get qualified so they can make money and live what they have been taught is a happy normal life.
lol.
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Rural areas in america are FULL of crime. TA is full of shit on that. I live in a town of population 1000 and I've seen some gnarly shit go down.
Meth, burglaries and thefts are the three things you will see in rural USA.
It depends which state and and which area you are in of course.
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Rural areas in america are FULL of crime. TA is full of shit on that. I live in a town of population 1000 and I've seen some gnarly shit go down.
Meth, burglaries and thefts are the three things you will see in rural USA.
It depends which state and and which area you are in of course.
Shut up Yagr.
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think about it. only reason we are told to go to college is so that we can get a job. but the fact of the matter is, college degrees are a dime a fucking dozen. an undergrad degree is the new high school diploma, its just expected to get ANY decent job. but even if you have one, you need some experience and most college grads have none in their area of study, as they spent their college career delivering pizza or working at a grocery store for minimum wage. or not working at all lol. and the whole reason for this madness? so we can 'get a job' outside of the retail or fast food spectrum and actually make a reasonable living. and weve been told this all our lives, that to be happy and to live a good life one must have money. to have money, we need a job and a good one at that and only thru a university education can one achieve this with what is perceived to be minimal effort (and since humans always pick the easiest option, we all go with college). education is a business and they make a fucking killing, textbooks cost a buttload and a new edition is published every year at least that you have to buy NEW most of the time.its a business, and america has been sold. people no longer go to school to learn, but to get qualified so they can make money and live what they have been taught is a happy normal life.
lol.
the education system is also heavily privatised and all about profit. That's for sure.
But I've been around the world. And I've seen a lot worse countries. We are spoiled in america in many ways inspire of the problems.
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Goddamn, you're one negative, miserable person. I truly don't know what else to say. I really don't know how you can ever succeed in life with your attitude. You seem to think that everythign is predetermined, and that we have no control over our lives. I wish you the best though.
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His threads are completely bogus, lol
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That's cool man, I actually like you and am glad your life is fulfilling. If I ever come to America, which I doubt, I would consider shooting guns at a range, but to tell the truth, I don't feel any compulsion too, not because of my views on the Gun issue, it is just something that doesn't appeal to me. No different if someone invited my to try lawn bowls or badminton., I love where I live now, I truly do, and feel little to no compulsion to travel. it is a beautiful part of the world and close to a bush mountain range which I enjoy regular trail walks in.
You're so mixed up on the gun issue... lol
Most people in the US probably aren't gun enthusiasts. Government of the people simply can't hold all the weapons.
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And what is stopping any one individual from achieving those same things you just mentioned? Absolutely nothing.
Exactly! Mitt's father or grandfather started at the bottom and was able to build something and pass this luxury on.
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You're so mixed up on the gun issue... lol
Most people in the US probably aren't gun enthusiasts. Government of the people simply can't hold all the weapons.
I got a gun just because I HAVE TO have one.
You don't wanna live in a rural area in america without a gun.
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the education system is also heavily privatised and all about profit. That's for sure.
But I've been around the world. And I've seen a lot worse countries. We are spoiled in america in many ways inspire of the problems.
yes but we are going for an absolutists dream are we not? we as americans in the truest sense :)
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I got a gun just because I HAVE TO have one.
You don't wanna live in a rural area in america without a gun.
That's true in any rural area around the world. In the United States you can legally defend yourself.
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That's true in any rural area around the world. In the United States you can legally defend yourself.
If you live in a country where people do not own guns, you will be fine without one.
In America every Joe has 5 guns and 100 pounds of ammo though. It's created a rat race where everybody is buying up weapons in a hurry so they won't be outgunned by their neighbors.
I am not anti-gun. But in america it really is off the hook.
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If you live in a country where people do not own guns, you will be fine without one.
In America every Joe has 5 guns and 100 pounds of ammo though. It's created a rat race where everybody is buying up weapons in a hurry so they won't be outgunned by their neighbors.
I am not anti-gun. But in america it really is off the hook.
Most of my friends and relatives don't own guns... lol
I don't know anyone that's ever been a victim of gun violence or even come close.
It's an inner city issue, criminal killing criminals.
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Most of my friends and relatives don't own guns... lol
I don't know anyone that's ever been a victim of gun violence or even come close.
It's an inner city issue, criminal killing criminals.
Are you from California or ny? You sound like you must be a city guy from an anti gun state.
Come up to my neck of the woods. Every walmart and gun store is constantly sold out of guns and ammo, you literally see crowds of people at any place that sells guns. Nra stickers everywhere, "this house doesn't call 911" signs all over. It's heavy gun culture in the Pacific northwest.
Every state is different. You must not realize that.
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Are you from California or ny? You sound like you must be a city guy from an anti gun state.
Come up to my neck of the woods. Every walmart and gun store is constantly sold out of guns and ammo, you literally see crowds of people at any place that sells guns. Nra stickers everywhere, "this house doesn't call 911" signs all over. It's heavy gun culture in the Pacific northwest.
Every state is different. You must not realize that.
Central Ohio, I've been all over though. Guns are really a non issue. Your chances of being a victim of gun violence are extremely low.
Ohio is probably one of the most gun friendly states in the US. Actually, the more gun friendly states have lower crime rates as opposed to NY, Chicago, etc...
You'll probably lie, but I can almost guarantee you've never known anyone that's shot anyone/been shot either.
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Central Ohio, I've been all over though. Guns are really a non issue. Your chances of being a victim of gun violence are extremely low.
Ohio is probably one of the most gun friendly states in the US. Actually, the more gun friendly states have lower crime rates as opposed to NY, Chicago, etc...
You'll probably lie, but I can almost guarantee you've never known anyone that's shot anyone/been shot either.
I have fired warning shots on trespassers 3 times.
I got burglarized once.
I've had lots of heated arguments with people near my property. Litterers, trespassers, vandals.
There have been lots of homicides and shootings less than a mile from places I lived.
Somebody was shot right down the street from me a year ago.
I'm out in the wild west. This isn't the pussy-ass Midwest. On the west side people are a lot more chaotic.
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I have fired warning shots on trespassers 3 times.
I got burglarized once.
I've had lots of heated arguments with people near my property. Litterers, trespassers, vandals.
There have been lots of homicides and shootings less than a mile from places I lived.
Somebody was shot right down the street from me a year ago.
I'm out in the wild west. This isn't the pussy-ass Midwest. On the west side people are a lot more chaotic.
Warning shots? So I take it the trespassers were unarmed?
Not buying any of this bro... Sorry
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That's true in any rural area around the world. In the United States you can legally defend yourself.
LMAO I guess you don't consider Canada to be part of the world then.
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The people of the USA have been sold out in almost every way.
Sold out to the pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, prison industrial complex.
Bled for every dime of taxes. Living in a police state. About half the people in the USA are poor, desperate and ready to snap.
Still, lots of retarded Americans say they have "freedom".
Where is this freedom?
hello, it's the same everywhere on earth, POOR PEOPLE ARE SOLD BY RICHER SMARTER PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID, it's not just an "american" thing, just the law of nature.
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Warning shots? So I take it the trespassers were unarmed?
Not buying any of this bro... Sorry
Let me tell the whole story. I live in a rural secluded area, the nearest neighbor about 500 feet away through thick forest. The nearest cops are about 12 miles away usually. It's all me out here.
All three times were at night. So dark I couldn't see the criminals very well.
The first time. I heard noise outside at about 4am and it woke me up. I grabbed rifle, opened the door, saw 2 people in my tool shed taking my shit. So I ran out shooting over their heads, yelling at them. They dropped the tools and ran. Later I saw that they snipped the lock somehow. Tools were scattered but the didn't take any of them.
The second time. I saw sitting out in the pitch dark at night alone, smoking some herb. In the darkness I see a fucking person creeping around my car about 50 feet away. I quietly creeped over to my home, grabbed the winchester, and ran up on him. When he saw me he ran off, I unloaded the rounds in his direction, purposely shooting high so to not actually hit him.
The third time I was in my house. Heard a noise and grabbed the gun. Once again it's somebody breaking into my tool shed. In the darkness I could see it was a blonde woman, she didn't even hear me coming up and she was prying open the doors with a metal bar. I yelled FREEZE I GOT A GUN. And she dropped the bar and ran. I unloaded the clip over her head.
That's what you do when people fuck with you and your in a secluded area. A cop will take like 20 minutes to get over sometimes.
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hello, it's the same everywhere on earth, POOR PEOPLE ARE SOLD BY RICHER SMARTER PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID, it's not just an "american" thing, just the law of nature.
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Let me tell the whole story. I live in a rural secluded area, the nearest neighbor about 500 feet away through thick forest. The nearest cops are about 12 miles away usually. It's all me out here.
All three times were at night. So dark I couldn't see the criminals very well.
The first time. I heard noise outside at about 4am and it woke me up. I grabbed rifle, opened the door, saw 2 people in my tool shed taking my shit. So I ran out shooting over their heads, yelling at them. They dropped the tools and ran. Later I saw that they snipped the lock somehow. Tools were scattered but the didn't take any of them.
The second time. I saw sitting out in the pitch dark at night alone, smoking some herb. In the darkness I see a fucking person creeping around my car about 50 feet away. I quietly creeped over to my home, grabbed the winchester, and ran up on him. When he saw me he ran off, I unloaded the rounds in his direction, purposely shooting high so to not actually hit him.
The third time I was in my house. Heard a noise and grabbed the gun. Once again it's somebody breaking into my tool shed. In the darkness I could see it was a blonde woman, she didn't even hear me coming up and she was prying open the doors with a metal bar. I yelled FREEZE I GOT A GUN. And she dropped the bar and ran. I unloaded the clip over her head.
That's what you do when people fuck with you and your in a secluded area. A cop will take like 20 minutes to get over sometimes.
So what's your point? You're the only one with a gun in these three scenarios. ???
If you think the United States is the only country with burglaries you're mistaken.
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LMAO I guess you don't consider Canada to be part of the world then.
HTH...
Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
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So what's your point? You're the only one with a gun in these three scenarios. ???
If you think the United States is the only country with burglaries you're mistaken.
Of course every country has burglaries you dumbass.
The matter is HOW MUCH it happens. And in this country it happens a lot more than any other developed country.
Or are you comparing American crime rates to those of very poor countries?
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Of course every coy try has burglaries you dumbass.
The matter is HOW MUCH it happens. And in this country it happens a lot more than any other developed country.
Or are you comparing American crime rates to those of very poor countries?
Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
???
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hello, it's the same everywhere on earth, POOR PEOPLE ARE SOLD BY RICHER SMARTER PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID, it's not just an "american" thing, just the law of nature.
True but we gotta fight against it in order to minimize it.
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Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
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Link?
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http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publications/icvs/
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HTH...
Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
lol this is such a silly point to even debate, there is no debate. I know Americans who have moved to Canada and said they feel much, much safer. This is from wikipedia.
"Much study has been done of the comparative experience and policies of Canada with its southern neighbour the United States, and this is a topic of intense discussion within Canada.
Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case. For example, in 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. However, the rate of some property crime types is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US.[16] Since violent crimes are a smaller fraction of all crimes, the difference between the two countries is less than the homicide rate might make it seem, and the overall rates are generally close (see Crime in the United States).[citation needed]
Furthermore, in recent years,[when?] the gap in violent crime rates between the United States and Canada has narrowed due to a precipitous drop in the violent crime rate in the U.S. For example, while the aggravated assault rate declined for most of 1990s in the U.S. and was 324 per 100,000 in 2000, the aggravated assault rate in Canada remained relatively steady throughout and was 143 per 100,000 in 2000. In other areas, the U.S. had a faster decline. For instance, whereas the murder rate in Canada declined by 36% between 1991 and 2004, the U.S. murder rate declined by 44%. [17] Both Saskatoon and Regina consistently have violent crime rates that would place them among the 10 most violent cities in the US, and often individually exceed larger US centres in terms of total numbers for Aggravated Assaults and Robbery.[citation needed]
The homicide rate in Canada peaked in 1975 at 3.03 per 100,000 and has dropped since then; it reached lower peaks in 1985 (2.72) and 1991 (2.69). It reached a post-1970 low of 1.73 in 2003. The average murder rate between 1970 and 1976 was 2.52, between 1977 and 1983 it was 2.67, between 1984 and 1990 it was 2.41, between 1991 and 1997 it was 2.23 and between 1998 to 2004 it was 1.82.[18] The attempted homicide rate has fallen at a faster rate than the homicide rate.[19]
By comparison, the homicide rate in the U.S. reached 10.1 per 100,000 in 1974, peaked in 1980 at 10.7 and reached a lower peak in 1991 (10.5). The average murder rate between 1970 and 1976 was 9.4, between 1977 and 1983 it was 9.6, between 1984 and 1990 it was 9, between 1991 and 1997 it was 9.2 and between 1998 and 2004 it was 6.3. In 2004, the murder rate in the U.S. dipped below 6 per 100,000, for the first time since 1966, and as of 2010 stood at 4.8 per 100,000 [17]
Approximately 70 percent of the total murders in the U.S. are committed with firearms, versus about 30 percent in Canada.[20]"
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Burglars in the United States usually serve about 16 months in prison, whereas in Canada they serve about 5 months and in England and Wales they serve about 7.
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I know Americans who have moved to Canada and said they feel much, much safer.
haha!!
Okay, we'll just take your word for it! 8)
Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
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http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publications/icvs/
That site is some Eurotrash garbage. Fuck off with that shit.
I never reported and any the 3 attempted burglaries. I also had small items stolen and few times and I never reported them. Those stats just represent crimes that have been officially recorded.
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That site is some Eurotrash garbage. Fuck off with that shit.
I never reported and any the 3 attempted burglaries. I also had small items stolen and few times and I never reported them. Those stats just represent crimes that have been officially recorded.
The United Nations is euro trash?
;D
This thread is garbage, please delete it mods... lol
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Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity.
---No Country for Old Men
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The United Nations is euro trash?
;D
This thread is garbage, please delete it mods... lol
You overlooked my point about unreported crimes.
Many Americans hate cops and never call the cops. If most Americans get things stolen they don't report it, especially if it's small things. If you get some little things stolen, and the those things are gone, calling the cops will just be a waste of time at that point.
If you had a shovel, a weed eater, and a chainsaw stolen. Do you really think some cop is gonna go find that shit for you?
Crime happens all the time and the cops never get called.
You sound like a guy who is not very well travelled. It seems like you're just trying to defend america from all criticism. Maybe you are a propaganda spokesman?
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haha!!
Okay, we'll just take your word for it! 8)
Total crime victims Canada: 23.8% United States: 21.1%
DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
*yawn* I posted this already and can post many many more if I feel it's worth my time ;)
lol this is such a silly point to even debate, there is no debate. I know Americans who have moved to Canada and said they feel much, much safer. This is from wikipedia.
"Much study has been done of the comparative experience and policies of Canada with its southern neighbour the United States, and this is a topic of intense discussion within Canada.
Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case. For example, in 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. However, the rate of some property crime types is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US.[16] Since violent crimes are a smaller fraction of all crimes, the difference between the two countries is less than the homicide rate might make it seem, and the overall rates are generally close (see Crime in the United States).[citation needed]
Furthermore, in recent years,[when?] the gap in violent crime rates between the United States and Canada has narrowed due to a precipitous drop in the violent crime rate in the U.S. For example, while the aggravated assault rate declined for most of 1990s in the U.S. and was 324 per 100,000 in 2000, the aggravated assault rate in Canada remained relatively steady throughout and was 143 per 100,000 in 2000. In other areas, the U.S. had a faster decline. For instance, whereas the murder rate in Canada declined by 36% between 1991 and 2004, the U.S. murder rate declined by 44%. [17] Both Saskatoon and Regina consistently have violent crime rates that would place them among the 10 most violent cities in the US, and often individually exceed larger US centres in terms of total numbers for Aggravated Assaults and Robbery.[citation needed]
The homicide rate in Canada peaked in 1975 at 3.03 per 100,000 and has dropped since then; it reached lower peaks in 1985 (2.72) and 1991 (2.69). It reached a post-1970 low of 1.73 in 2003. The average murder rate between 1970 and 1976 was 2.52, between 1977 and 1983 it was 2.67, between 1984 and 1990 it was 2.41, between 1991 and 1997 it was 2.23 and between 1998 to 2004 it was 1.82.[18] The attempted homicide rate has fallen at a faster rate than the homicide rate.[19]
By comparison, the homicide rate in the U.S. reached 10.1 per 100,000 in 1974, peaked in 1980 at 10.7 and reached a lower peak in 1991 (10.5). The average murder rate between 1970 and 1976 was 9.4, between 1977 and 1983 it was 9.6, between 1984 and 1990 it was 9, between 1991 and 1997 it was 9.2 and between 1998 and 2004 it was 6.3. In 2004, the murder rate in the U.S. dipped below 6 per 100,000, for the first time since 1966, and as of 2010 stood at 4.8 per 100,000 [17]
Approximately 70 percent of the total murders in the U.S. are committed with firearms, versus about 30 percent in Canada.[20]"
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Many Americans hate cops and never call the cops. If most Americans get things stolen they don't report it, especially if it's small things.
Believe in police efficiency Canada: 87% United States: 89%
DEFINITION: Proportion of people in international Crime Victims Survey 2000 who say police do a good job in controlling crime in their area.
SOURCE: UN International Crime Victims' Survey
Canada Ranked 2nd. United States Ranked 1st. 2% more than Canada
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Assault victims Canada: 2.3% United States: 1.2%
DEFINITION: People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
Canada Ranked 5th. 92% more than United States. United States Ranked 11th.
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Believe in police efficiency Canada: 87% United States: 89%
DEFINITION: Proportion of people in international Crime Victims Survey 2000 who say police do a good job in controlling crime in their area.
SOURCE: UN International Crime Victims' Survey
Canada Ranked 2nd. United States Ranked 1st. 2% more than Canada
Have you ever taken a statistics course in college? Iff you had, you would know that that study is total horseshit.
Some douchebag organization claims to know how well people trust cops based on..... what? Some phone survey of people who were reported crime victims?
Sure, sounds accurate to me ::)
Do you just believe any numbers you see without analyzing how the study was actually carried out?
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Rape victims Canada: 0.8% United States: 0.4%
DEFINITION: People victimized by sexual assault (as a % of the total population). Data refer to female population only. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin
Canada Ranked 8th. 100% more than United States. United States Ranked 13th.
The United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute is one of the five United Nations Research and Training Institutes. The Institute was founded in 1968 to assist the international community in formulating and implementing improved policies in the field of crime prevention and criminal justice.
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The United nations is not an unbiased d trustworthy source by the way.
But you seem ignorant to what the UN really is.
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Suicide rates in ages 15-24 Canada: 15 per 100,000 people United States: 13.7 per 100,000 people
DEFINITION: Suicide rates per 100,000 people by given age group, late 1990s.
SOURCE: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3
Suicide rates in ages 25-34 Canada: 18 per 100,000 people United States: 15.3 per 100,000 people
DEFINITION: Suicide rates per 100,000 people in the given age group, late 1990s.
SOURCE: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3
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MANY suicides in the northern native reserves. bleak existences with little or no future.
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Americans were sold out to Monsanto, they got legal rights to do what they want here. USA is their live testing ground. While GMO is banned all together in Europe.