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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: anabolichalo on December 15, 2013, 01:11:55 PM
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can't find the video anymore
but i think he found rack pulls more sensible
deadlift blow out your waist to the side
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22:05
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kai greene is really mad in this video
refuses dorians advice
lol dumb bastard
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Rack pulls are still going to widen the waist. If your going to pull low its almost the same thing and if your pulling high, why bother? There are better exercises for a bodybuilder. If you want to be a man pull regardless....
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Rack pulls are still going to widen the waist. If your going to pull low its almost the same thing and if your pulling high, why bother? There are better exercises for a bodybuilder. If you want to be a man pull regardless....
i want maximal development
but then again
i dont want to make the waist wide if not needed
so what do i do?
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can't find the video anymore
but i think he found rack pulls more sensible
deadlift blow out your waist to the side
LOL yeh sure it was the dead lifting off the floor that ended up making him look a pregnant cow as opposed to the shit loads of insulin and GH.
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LOL yeh sure it was the dead lifting off the floor that ended up making him look a pregnant cow as opposed to the shit loads of insulin and GH.
stay mad twink
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Dorian had a decent back. So I will go with his advices. I think fulls involve far more glutes and hammys at the bottom. Probably why he didnt do them.
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stay mad twink
lol sorry bro forgot for a minute what a beast you are ::)
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http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Dorian-Yates-Best-exercises-and-Best-Routine-from-Book-quotBlood-and-Gutsquot-m4949530.aspx
good info ^^^^^^^^
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Dorian looks huge in this video
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i want maximal development
but then again
i dont want to make the waist wide if not needed
so what do i do?
I think that actually pulling heavy and squating would give you the frame to actually put on real muscle and not rely on drugs. There's plenty of exercise to work lower back but you have a tiny frame, no matter how many curls you do, won't grow. Do a powerlifting cycle followed by a bodybuilding cycle. Look at Wendlers 5/3/1 for bodybuilding. Ur issues are bigger then deading or not deading
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I think that actually pulling heavy and squating would give you the frame to actually put on real muscle and not rely on drugs. There's plenty of exercise to work lower back but you have a tiny frame, no matter how many curls you do, won't grow. Do a powerlifting cycle followed by a bodybuilding cycle. Look at Wendlers 5/3/1 for bodybuilding. Ur issues are bigger then deading or not deading
as a natural i did at 85kg lean bw
5x200kg deadlift, full stops at the floor with straps
5x170kg olympic squat no belt no knee sleeve
these exercises didnt do shit as far as development, stop your BS
5-3-1 oh yeah cutting edge stuff there, wendler deserves the nobel prize for weight training ::)
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Rack pulls are still going to widen the waist. If your going to pull low its almost the same thing and if your pulling high, why bother? There are better exercises for a bodybuilder. If you want to be a man pull regardless....
Bullshit I do deadlifts from the racks for years as part of my personal back program and I can tell you that it does not widen the waist but it thickens the lower back like no other exercise.
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So 440 with wraps..and I bet u bounce repped them right? Dude seriously you have no idea how to train. How fast do u think gains come....you can juice all you want...when u come off your gonna look like a twink because your frame sucks. Keep curling you'll get there. Maybe loosing the wraps would be a start.
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So 440 with wraps..and I bet u bounce repped them right? Dude seriously you have no idea how to train. How fast do u think gains come....you can juice all you want...when u come off your gonna look like a twink because your frame sucks. Keep curling you'll get there. Maybe loosing the wraps would be a start.
LEARN TO READ YOU FUCKING TROLL
FULL STOPS AT THE FLOOR
FULL
STOPS
i'm done talking to you delusional fatbody
hope you tear your so-called bicep by your manly use of mixed grip and ton of chalk
because straps are for pussies
CASE CLOSED
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Bullshit I do deadlifts from the racks for years as part of my personal back program and I can tell you that it does not widen the waist but it thickens the lower back like no other exercise.
Interesting,
however, did you think full range deadlifts widen the waist? as opposed to rack pulls
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as a natural i did at 85kg lean bw
5x200kg deadlift, full stops at the floor with straps
5x170kg olympic squat no belt no knee sleeve
these exercises didnt do shit as far as development, stop your BS
(http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/bb220/media/backjan12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6)
you couldn't pull the shit out of your own ass. i pull from the floor week in and out, does my waist look blown out from the sides?
(http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/bb220/media/backjan12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6)
You're calling me a twink...lets see what your back looks like then you little fag
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you couldn't pull the shit out of your own ass. i pull from the floor week in and out, does my waist look blown out from the sides?
(http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/bb220/media/backjan12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6)
You're calling me a twink...lets see what your back looks like then you little fag
A) your waist is blown out
B) are you upset at my natural lifts? don't feel upset it took me a while, one day you too can get there
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LEARN TO READ YOU FUCKING TROLL
FULL STOPS AT THE FLOOR
FULL
STOPS
i'm done talking to you delusional fatbody
hope you tear your so-called bicep by your manly use of mixed grip and ton of chalk
because straps are for pussies
CASE CLOSED
Look twink...keep melting. I was trying to help. U don't know how to train, you do apparently know how to pop pills and pretend to be a tough guy. Your train like an absolute pussy. Wraps....I bet u wear gloves as well.
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A) your waist is blown out
B) are you upset at my natural lifts? don't feel upset it took me a while, one day you too can get there
No i just think your a little fagget and you must have magic mirrors in your house if you think you have any type of physique to call anyone a twink.
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No i just think your little fagget and you must have magic mirrors house if you think you have any type of physique to call anyone a twink.
YLLS HTH
Now back to the topic ........................ ..
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A) your waist is blown out
B) are you upset at my natural lifts? don't feel upset it took me a while, one day you too can get there
The guy is 3 times ur size.
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The guy is 3 times ur size.
ok so get off my nuts and leave with your boyfriend
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No i just think your a little fagget and you must have magic mirrors in your house if you think you have any type of physique to call anyone a twink.
He's got to be a gimmick..nobody is this retarded.
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YLLS HTH
Now back to the topic ........................ ..
that may be so, but still 10 x better than you. yep you are one of the guys with the magic mirrors lol
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He's got to be a gimmick..nobody is this retarded.
No I actually think he is ;D
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that may be so, but still 10 x better than you. yep you are one of the guys with the magic mirrors lol
debatable
(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u373/bb220/DSC00842_zpsc80d916b.jpg)
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Dude....look at his shoulder/trap development and width. He's a bigger guy..unless u roll ur sleeves up nobody knows u even lift. If you trained correctly that wouldn't be a an issue
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Dude....look at his shoulder/trap development and width. He's a bigger guy..unless u roll ur sleeves up nobody knows u even lift. If you trained correctly that wouldn't be a an issue
looks like a glazed donut in bedroom lighting
unless he rolls his sleeves down no one would know he lifts, epic arms ::)
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ok so get off my nuts and leave with your boyfriend
I love how you become unhinged when anybody is bigger then u, trains harder then you or whatever. Somebody posts a dude benching..u whine like a bitch, squating....whine. There are a million guys in the gym doing curls just like you in the gym.
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I love how you become unhinged when anybody is bigger then u, trains harder then you or whatever. Somebody posts a dude benching..u whine like a bitch, squating....whine. There are a million guys in the gym doing curls just like you in the gym.
i told you to leave with your boyfriend
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Sure thing guy.....pansy!
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Interesting,
however, did you think full range deadlifts widen the waist? as opposed to rack pulls
The thing is with full range deadlifts you include the glutes and hamstrings and you use a lot less weight so its better to do if from the rack if you want to focus on your back. its a myth that full range deadlifts widen the waist, the worst that you will get from it is a big ass.
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Deadlifts 800lbs..
(http://www.lift.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pete220.jpg)
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looks like a glazed donut in bedroom lighting
unless he rolls his sleeves down no one would know he lifts, epic arms ::)
lol i do not for one minute think i am that big or have any great physique, but you really do have the "magic mirror" syndrome if you think a little fag like yourself is in a position to call me a twink.
yeh my arms are shit , but my arms are my worst body part at 17" , whereas yours are by far your best body part at 17"... so go figure.
oh and btw the lighting is called "sunlight", you should try some sometime ;D
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Deadlifts 800lbs..
(http://www.lift.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pete220.jpg)
waist & arms really "benefited" from that it seems
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lol i do not for one minute think i am that big or have any great physique, but you really do have the "magic mirror" syndrome if you think a little fag like yourself is in a position to call me a twink.
yeh my arms are shit , but my arms are my worst body part at 17" , whereas yours are by far your best body part at 17"... so go figure.
oh and btw the lighting is called "sunlight", you should try some sometime ;D
ahahahahahaha
a permabulker with 17" bloofy arms.. epic genetic bro ;D :D
nope my arms are far from my best bodypart
they are just my priority because i want to get the girls not the beardaddys
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Deadlifts 900+
(http://powerlifting.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Vincent-EightiesBig-Urbank.jpg)
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/image0011.jpg)
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Deadlifts 840+
(http://www.jtsstrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/64053_467045983332421_1322805638_n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wCsNnIC.jpg)
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ahahahahahaha
a permabulker with 17" bloofy arms.. epic genetic bro ;D :D
nope my arms are far from my best bodypart
they are just my priority because i want to get the girls not the beardaddys
lol your arms are clearly the stand out body part against the rest of shit that is your physique, i dread to think what your back or legs look like :o
anyway keep using the same mirror dude
(http://vonblancofitness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bodybuilder_in_the_mirror.jpeg)
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lol your arms are clearly the stand out body part against the rest of shit that is your physique, i dread to think what your back or legs look like :o
anyway keep using the same mirror dude
(http://vonblancofitness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bodybuilder_in_the_mirror.jpeg)
post your back and leg pics if you want a comparison you will not recover from ::)
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post your back and leg pics if you want a comparison you will not recover from ::)
i already posted a back pic , you said my waist was blown out remember?
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i already posted a back pic , you said my waist was blown out remember?
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oh well, i won't recover ::)
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oh well, i won't recover ::)
try rear delt machine, dont give up
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Deadlifts 900+
(http://powerlifting.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Vincent-EightiesBig-Urbank.jpg)
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/image0011.jpg)
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try rear delt machine, dont give up
well if that's how you managed to get your back to look similar in scrawniness to a couple of chicken wings, i think i'll pass thanks.
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Are you arguing deadlifts do or do not widen the waist...I'm not getting it..
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well if that's how you managed to get your back to look similar in scrawniness to a couple of chicken wings, i think i'll pass thanks.
you're also gonna need to consider dropping the fork and using an ai
your 17" arms of bloated peace may lose 0.5-1" tho but it will be worth it
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Rear delt machine...Halo you do realize your back lacks any thickness whatsoever right?
Less giving out advice and more deadlifts. You are scrawny lol.
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma526gFIWt1qh82vko2_1280.jpg)
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lots of maturity noted in this thread lol
I dont think deadlifts widen the waist, eating like a cow widens the waist.
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Rear delt machine...Halo you do realize your back lacks any thickness whatsoever right?
Less giving out advice and more deadlifts. You are scrawny lol.
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma526gFIWt1qh82vko2_1280.jpg)
no need for deadlift
(http://fuckyeahheavylifting.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/uvvj4.gif)
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/styles/article_image_600xany/public/newyateslarge.jpg?itok=SDTiC9_b)
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no need for deadlift
(http://fuckyeahheavylifting.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/uvvj4.gif)
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/styles/article_image_600xany/public/newyateslarge.jpg?itok=SDTiC9_b)
Dorian did heavy bent over rows 400+lbs
Dorian did heavy stiff legged deadlifts 400+lbs
Dorian did heavy rack pulls (partial deadlifts focusing tension on the back) 600+++ lbs
And oh wait Dorian also had a hideous GUT and the widest, blockyest waist in all of bb'ing.
Looks scrawny like you in this pic, but he was natty :-\
Hell maybe with enough juice you might break 200lbs some day.
(http://www.jimwendler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dorian-yates-bodybuilder.jpg)
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you're also gonna need to consider dropping the fork and using an ai
your 17" arms of bloated peace may lose 0.5-1" tho but it will be worth it
It's a shame for you because you do seem to have a lot of enthusiasm, but with the shitty hand nature has already dealt you(yes i know i have shit arms already!) but you genetically have shitty everything, along with your shitty attitude and delusions of grandeur, you will never really get significantly further than you are now.
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Dorian did heavy bent over rows 400+lbs
Dorian did heavy stiff legged deadlifts 400+lbs
Dorian did heavy rack pulls (partial deadlifts focusing tension on the back) 600+++ lbs
And oh wait Dorian also had a hideous GUT and the widest, blockyest waist in all of bb'ing.
Looks scrawny like you in this pic, but he was natty :-\
Hell maybe with enough juice you might break 200lbs some day.
(http://www.jimwendler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dorian-yates-bodybuilder.jpg)
:D ;D
sure thing
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Nice trolling Halo. Others, Please note the pattern
1.) post debatable training technique as training fact.
2.) lure others in to debate this "fact"
3.) cite magazines or post pictures for "proof"
4.) insult anybody that falls for this.
5.) lather, rinse, repeat.
Ken M would be proud.
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It's a shame for you because you do seem to have a lot of enthusiasm, but with the shitty hand nature has already dealt you(yes i know i have shit arms already!) but you genetically have shitty everything, along with your shitty attitude and delusions of grandeur, you will never really get significantly further than you are now.
funny but your arms are shit so you might as well quit lifting
cuz bitches love big arms
hell even schmoes love big arms (see the downfall of big down hill)
nobody loves a permabulker with 17" bloofy arms of peace
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:D ;D
sure thing
Yes in that pic he has a physique on par with yours...But he was a 17 year old natty with 3 months training under his belt.
Is that your spine poking out bro? Eat up small fry. ;)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2i2c37q.jpg)
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drop the fork fatso
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funny but your arms are shit so you might as well quit lifting
cuz bitches love big arms
hell even schmoes love big arms (see the downfall of big down hill)
nobody loves a permabulker with 17" bloofy arms of peace
You're out to bed the absolute scummiest, poor, poverty stricken, skinny, kneegro Africans money can buy.
Show those nappy headed swine a fuckin cheeseburger and a place to stay off the streets and they will love you for all eternity. Arms are the least of their worries.
On the other hand if you want to step your game up to a superior Caucasian genetique blonde haired nordic viking goddesses you damn well better be rockin some 20's...Which you aint.
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Your a twink and I think u shopped the pic, otherwise ur head is huge and arms would be the least of ur issues getting broads. You have zero comeback for any of the training advice or discussion.
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You're out to bed the absolute scummiest, poor, poverty stricken, skinny, kneegro Africans money can buy.
Show those nappy headed swine a fuckin cheeseburger and a place to stay off the streets and they will love you for all eternity. Arms are the least of their worries.
say that to his face, not online, see what happens
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this thread is hilarious ;D
show the rear double bicps,this is where its shows whos got the best back.
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this thread is hilarious ;D
show the rear double bicps,this is where its shows whos got the best back.
it's funny that bcs his arms are the worst arm ever he now says my arms are my best part
when clearly my quadroceps are the best part
just there is this thing i found on fact finding missions
that girls love big ripped arms, not greasy roid bloat backs
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funny but your arms are shit so you might as well quit lifting
cuz bitches love big arms
hell even schmoes love big arms (see the downfall of big down hill)
nobody loves a permabulker with 17" bloofy arms of peace
well i would rather have one body part that stands out bad than one that stands out as OK because the rest looks like an utter pile of dog shit, as in your case.
Anyways good luck mate, as long as you look good in your own mind that's all that matters, this is where being retarded is a bonus for you.
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say that to his face, not online, see what happens
That foo' has superior American slave genetics, and surely has some superior ancient Germanic / Prussian white blood in his ancestry.
You're trying to date bitches like this you filthy scumbag.
(http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PCH14279.jpg)
resembles lil' Halo there on the left.
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lots of maturity noted in this thread lol
I dont think deadlifts widen the waist, eating like a cow widens the waist.
Thank you.
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His superior genetics will override his inferior mental capacity and surely propel him to 17.5 inch arms in no time...a goal to be proud of and hailed far and wide.
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That foo' has superior American slave genetics, and surely has some superior ancient Germanic / Prussian white blood in his ancestry.
You're trying to date bitches like this you filthy scumbag.
(http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PCH14279.jpg)
resembles lil' Halo there on the left.
you will pay for your racism at one point
one day when you least expect it, BOOM, positive load from black bull your wife cuckolds your white sissy ass with
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well i would rather have one body part that stands out bad than one that stands out as OK because the rest looks like an utter pile of dog shit, as in your case.
Anyways good luck mate, as long as you look good in your own mind that's all that matters, this is where being retarded is a bonus for you.
don't forget your back double bicep shot to prove your overall superiority VS utter pile of dog shit
::)
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...because thats what matters right. The back double bicep..u flex in clubs don't u...secretly hoping every dude in the place notices it.
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Superior arm genetics..
(http://i44.tinypic.com/k2momc.jpg)
Oh wait...
(http://www.forcefactorresults.com/files/2012/01/GG-Sept-1.jpg)
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this thread is hilarious ;D
show the rear double bicps,this is where its shows whos got the best back.
i already posted a back pic , you said my waist was blown out remember?
I don't have any back double bicep pics on my PC, anyways I'm out. I live in reality , i know i'm no great shakes, but i know who looks better than me and who doesn't, and this kid looks like unadulterated shit. he is deluded, for evidence look at the back comparison pics that HE POSTED says it all about his state of mind really.
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...because thats what matters right. The back double bicep..u flex in clubs don't u...secretly hoping every dude in the place notices it.
if you have arm development the muscles standout automatically when holding a drink at the bar
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I don't have any back double bicep pics on my PC, anyways I'm out. I live in reality , i know i'm no great shakes, but i know who looks better than me and who doesn't, and this kid looks like unadulterated shit. he is deluded, for evidence look at the comparison pics that HE POSTED says it all about his state of mind really.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VlvIv8-jaWU/UW520E2B_9I/AAAAAAAAHeU/oJYafF4LFj4/s1600/noose.jpg)
make sure the rope isn't too long or you'll end up breaking your legs
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I think you'd be schocked by how much that doesn't matter.
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as a natural i did at 85kg lean bw
5x200kg deadlift, full stops at the floor with straps
5x170kg olympic squat no belt no knee sleeve
these exercises didnt do shit as far as development, stop your BS
5-3-1 oh yeah cutting edge stuff there, wendler deserves the nobel prize for weight training ::)
If you don't have a foundation (which is built on deads and squats) you will shrink down to nothing when you're cycles are over.
Hope this helps ;)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=497243.0;attach=537754;image)
gonna hurt a lot of feelings once i up the dose
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VlvIv8-jaWU/UW520E2B_9I/AAAAAAAAHeU/oJYafF4LFj4/s1600/noose.jpg)
make sure the rope isn't too long or you'll end up breaking your legs
Yeh OK mate i'm off to bed now.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545699;image)
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you really making me look a twink here lol
2 chicken wings tied together ;D
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Yeah Jim Wendler...or you.....this threads went 3 pages because your a jealous retarded twink.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=497243.0;attach=537754;image)
gonna hurt a lot of feelings once i up the dose
Can of baby formula on the counter brings back reality...
Good looking pipe, do you think you'll lose size cutting down to HRT levels?
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Yeh OK mate i'm off to bed now.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545699;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545698;image)
you really making me look a twink here lol
waiting for the back double bicep you greasy blimp
and funny you put your hands in front, not at the side, to create illusion of back being wider than it is in relation to the width of elbows pointing out the way they would if you did put hands on the side
you can fool your boyfriend, but you can't fool anabolichalo, i'm a bodybuilding analyst
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Can of baby formula on the counter brings back reality...
Good looking pipe, do you think you'll lose size cutting down to HRT levels?
maybe a little but after 8 weeks maximum i will up to 750
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Yeah Jim Wendler...or you.....this threads went 3 pages because your a jealous retarded twink.
jim wendler looks like shit
why would a bber follow his principle which are powerlifting oriented
::)
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waiting for the back double bicep you greasy blimp
and funny you put your hands in front, not at the side, to create illusion of back being wider than it is in relation to the width of elbows pointing out the way they would if you did put hands on the side
you can fool your boyfriend, but you can't fool anabolichalo, i'm a bodybuilding analyst
So you know this shot is 99% camera angle correct?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=497243.0;attach=537754;image)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/zwm350.jpg)
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lol
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jim wendler looks like shit
why would a bber follow his principle which are powerlifting oriented
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Yeah what has powerlifting ever gotten anybody. ::) oh brother.
Ronnie never powerlifted
(http://www.colossalsupplements.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ronnie-squat.jpg)
Neither did Arnold
(http://www.thedeadlift.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/stock/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_powerlifting_deadlift.jpg)
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Yeah what has powerlifting ever gotten anybody. ::) oh brother.
Ronnie never powerlifted
(http://www.colossalsupplements.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ronnie-squat.jpg)
Neither did Arnold
(http://www.thedeadlift.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/stock/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_powerlifting_deadlift.jpg)
ronnie and arnold did 5-3-1, i give up ::)
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ronnie and arnold did 5-3-1, i give up ::)
As in incorporate sets of 5 reps...Sets of 3 reps...And singles into their training for multiple Mr. O titles?
Why yes, yes they did.
You should give up rofl...You are super bad at this.
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As in incorporate sets of 5 reps...Sets of 3 reps...And singles into their training for multiple Mr. O titles?
Why yes, yes they did.
You should give up rofl...You are super bad at this.
i just said i gave up
arnold and ronnie built their bodies on jim wendler's 5-3-1 as you said before
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As in incorporate sets of 5 reps...Sets of 3 reps...And singles into their training for multiple Mr. O titles?
Why yes, yes they did.
You should give up rofl...You are super bad at this.
not to mention the fact that he's needed ped's to get where he is and lots of ppl on this board who haven't run for years embarass him.
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i just said i gave up
arnold and ronnie built their bodies on jim wendler's 5-3-1 as you said before
You're grasping at straws. Quite frankly it's sad. There's always another troll thread. Better luck next time.
Remember to eat up. You will need a thicker back for our next battle.
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not to mention the fact that he's needed ped's to get where he is and lots of ppl on this board who haven't run for years embarass him.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/zwm350.jpg)
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This thread is like crack.....its called 5/3/1 for bodybuilding..so you can continue your training while getting in the base line power movements. But since your're a epic retard you take zero advice and will continue to look like a bitch. I tried to help..instead u melted down. If u needed drugs to get to your current level..u should quit now and find a new hobby
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This thread is like crack.....its called 5/3/1 for bodybuilding..so you can continue your training while getting in the base line power movements. But since your're a epic retard you take zero advice and will continue to look like a bitch. I tried to help..instead u melted down. If u needed drugs to get to your current level..u should quit now and find a new hobby
thanks but no thanks, i dont take advice from ppl who look like shit
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Everybody else here dwarfs u...and Wendler...yeah he dwarfs u as well.
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Everybody else here dwarfs u...and Wendler...yeah he dwarfs u as well.
actually i was talking about you
but yeah, wendler looks like shit too...
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Who is Wendler and why am I supposed to listen to his advices ?
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I've never posted a pic...and oddly I don't feel inferior because somebody squats heavier then me....or in your case..just squats period. You know ur a pansy..u wish u could train hard...u wish u didn't need gear from the get go. I honestly think ur a gimmick because nobody could possibly be as friggen stupid as you.
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Who is Wendler and why am I supposed to listen to his advices ?
some dude from west side barbell who wrote down some ancient powerlifting routine and hyped it to delusional neckbeards online as a magical way to getbig steroid free
cutting edge stuff there, fives, threes, singles....
eat a lot too and look like shit....
all for the glory of ego lifting
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some dude from west side barbell who wrote down some ancient powerlifting routine and hyped it to delusional neckbeards online as a magical way to getbig steroid free
cutting edge stuff there, fives, threes, singles....
eat a lot too and look like shit....
all for the glory of ego lifting
Stopped reading after "Westside Barbell"
Thanks...got it. powerlifting "experts" LOL.
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Your right..shitty gym, shitty training...your epic shallow knee bends and squat rack curls along with anabolics will more the then overcome shitty genetics and zero training knowledge.
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Stopped reading after "Westside Barbell"
Thanks...got it. powerlifting "experts" LOL.
you got it
these fools always spamming my bodybuilding training kinetics threads with their BS about "how i dont got no base...no squatting deadliftin... no hard work... all drugs"
even when i point out how much i did these pointless exercises
they keep rambling their shit
i actually want to stab them in the throat
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Your right u win..I can't argue with an idiot.
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powerlifting is retarded because:
epic range of motion
power that weight up, don't for a second think about what muscle you're actually hitting
fat as fuck
look like shit, very unbalanced physique
snap your shit
ego lifting
etc
etc
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Your right u win..I can't argue with an idiot.
of course i'm right
i've am an expert on weightlifting, bodybuilding, and black ppl
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you got it
these fools always spamming my bodybuilding training kinetics threads with their BS about "how i dont got no base...no squatting deadliftin... no hard work... all drugs"
even when i point out how much i did these pointless exercises
they keep rambling their shit
i actually want to stab them in the throat
LOL.
I wish most here were dead as well...hahahaha.
Powerlifters are a funny bunch..they think they are hardcore and what they do is more "legit" than training for BBing. nonsense
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i never even do deadlifts.
i squat with 1 plate each side and have better legs than some nats regional competitors here.(irl not on getbig i mean).
i train arms with ,lol, mostly puping them bit up on cables and they outsize outshape competitors to.
guess what they also outsize powerlifters arms.with legs its hard to tell how much of them would be left when theyre lean.
i can deadlift 4 plates side for cuple reps totaly natural and there will be no back development whatsoever.flat like a surfing board.
then you go on some steroids and do some machine pumping and it suddenly grows.
the lesson for me was, its more about proper contraction for full rom,rather than weight used.
the slightest cheating and the workload goes from muscle to jjoints and tendons, on a bad day this can mean a tear.
in my gym every single one of the heavy trainers had minimum one tear at some time.nah thanks.
yah some base strenght foundation is important to have, and can be fat to get there.
but if one can do 10reps bench dieted down with own bodyweight, thatll be ok.
trained "heavy" when was young, all the extra size i had there was water on the scale.
i dont see the good thing about heavy deadlifting,waist or not, hell,its below freezing temps utside, you go to the gym and even at the end of workout, you can still feel the blood circulation isnt the same like in summer, i think its asking for injury.
i leave all the flex magazine loudmouth ghostwritten sayings "lift hard" blabla outside the gym.it didnt work out well for jean pierre fux,did it?
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powerlifting is retarded because:
epic range of motion
power that weight up, don't for a second think about what muscle you're actually hitting
fat as fuck
look like shit, very unbalanced physique
snap your shit
ego lifting
etc
etc
"ego lifting"...translation..." I lift like a bitch". Plus ur not a bodybuilder..u don't compete. U go to the gym for recreation
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Agree, deadlifts are the last thing to do for bb ing especially for long term bbing and health. This is coming from someone who's pulled 705 a few times, so if you've not achieved at least that feat then fuck off preaching deadlifts are great and stick your copy of starting strength up your mcdonalds bloated ass.
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i never even do deadlifts.
i squat with 1 plate each side and have better legs than some nats regional competitors here.(irl not on getbig i mean).
i train arms with ,lol, mostly puping them bit up on cables and they outsize outshape competitors to.
guess what they also outsize powerlifters arms.with legs its hard to tell how much of them would be left when theyre lean.
i can deadlift 4 plates side for cuple reps totaly natural and there will be no back development whatsoever.flat like a surfing board.
then you go on some steroids and do some machine pumping and it suddenly grows.
the lesson for me was, its more about proper contraction for full rom,rather than weight used.
the slightest cheating and the workload goes from muscle to jjoints and tendons, on a bad day this can mean a tear.
in my gym every single one of the heavy trainers had minimum one tear at some time.nah thanks.
yah some base strenght foundation is important to have, and can be fat to get there.
but if one can do 10reps bench dieted down with own bodyweight, thatll be ok.
trained "heavy" when was young, all the extra size i had there was water on the scale.
i dont see the good thing about heavy deadlifting,waist or not, hell,its below freezing temps utside, you go to the gym and even at the end of workout, you can still feel the blood circulation isnt the same like in summer, i think its asking for injury.
i leave all the flex magazine loudmouth ghostwritten sayings "lift hard" blabla outside the gym.it didnt work out well for jean pierre fux,did it?
Haha yes.
Training should be fun and invigorating. ..talking with the smaller members and insulting them is always fun. Just the other day a smaller member was flexing his triceps in the mirror so I started laughing and pointing at him and said "that's a unicep, not a tricep...at first glance I thought it was a hanger mark on your T shirt ." :D
I find this sets the tone in the gym and I get in a good workout.
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Agree, deadlifts are the last thing to do for bb ing especially for long term bbing and health. This is coming from someone who's pulled 705 a few times, so if you've not achieved at least that feat then fuck off preaching deadlifts are great and stick your copy of starting strength up your mcdonalds bloated ass.
yah might aswell just flex the back real hard, deadlift has pretty much 0 rom for back muscle,and uhm,lower back who gives a shit about lower back, makes the waist thicker, not sure if that can be the goal.some time later the obliques might follow siut and boom,v taper down the toilet.
i see them all,thw twinks and the ftties likewise, "building" their foundation for years and years and always look the same.really,i like to observe their desperation,theyre flase believes in real action, they use proper form and all, but nah, nothing.
bbuilding is diet and pumping up the muscle, dont know why that is , bu thats how it is.
well,one might argue constant flexing for full rom for many reps is more stressful on the muscle and shocks them into growth, while heavy weights with shit form and exercise with almost no rom by nature, might be stressing the joints and not much else.one gets "stronger".in the joints.congratulation,what they gonna do now?enter an armwrestling contest? ;D
i mean, doesnt take nobel price laudeate to figure it out, try some deadlifts, try some rows on some shitty machine and see what works the muscles better.
meanqwhile, something ill never forget, some guy in london gym who looked like ali g face and body haha, just did some high colume stuff, 2test ampoulas weekly and anadrol he said and few months later had more size than me, i have no problem admiting that,and yes, lean.
ok he was maybe 1 in million gentetics, but ,y point, lol, he also trained like youd imagine ali g to train, haha.
Haha yes.
Training should be fun and invigorating. ..talking with the smaller members and insulting them is always fun. Just the other day a smaller member was flexing his triceps in the mirror so I started laughing and pointing at him and said "that's a unicep, not a tricep...at first glance I thought it was a hanger mark on your T shirt ." :D
I find this sets the tone in the gym and I get in a good workout.
ha, yes i always give little bit advice, except for the mongoloids who aproach"hey what you taking",those i tell its all diet and must eat everything in sight, never back down a mcdonalds meal post workout etc haha ;D
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http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Dorian-Yates-Best-exercises-and-Best-Routine-from-Book-quotBlood-and-Gutsquot-m4949530.aspx
good info ^^^^^^^^
great link
very good info
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im not so sure if ppl can understand when a genetic prodigy is on high doses of everything buffet and eats properly, what kinds of pumps and growth they gonna get fom relatively slight stimulation.
the strenght will come all by itself, like second nature.
if you have to build up strenght by weird means and ways and its not coming without you turning into a fatty, then its not meant to be.
i cant believe ppl buy this deadlift bullshit.
theres 270lbs contest ready monsters i seen, have yet to see them doing deadlifts.
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Rack pulls are still going to widen the waist. If your going to pull low its almost the same thing and if your pulling high, why bother? There are better exercises for a bodybuilder. If you want to be a man pull regardless....
you know I believe in the basic laws of energy. Guys think that by hitting every muscle from every angle with every exercise they are somehow more developed .in the long run? well... it's totally idiotic in my opinion to think that we can develop every body part equally at the same time. and just because guys are complete and developed everywhere does not maen they would noott be more developed in a particular bodypart had they cut back their volume and or intensity on other bodyparts.
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can't find the video anymore
but i think he found rack pulls more sensible
deadlift blow out your waist to the side
when i trained with nasser he told me the same thing and he showed me how to do the stiff leg deadlifts for the hams from the floor to the knees only while standing over a step or so without the need to go up and involve the lower back.. and he said the same about deadlifts for the lower back not to start from the floor but from the knees..
since then i have been doing the stiff leg dead lift as he said but i didnt try the normal deallifts from the knees level as i didnt like this.. for me deadlifts are deadlifts must be from the floor 8)
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halo actualy speaking alot of truth in here...............
epic truths from gal tho
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halo actualy speaking alot of truth in here...............
epic truths from gal tho
The broscience that is qouted as bible in this game is laughable.
"Build a foundation"...um, what ? I'm not a fucking bridge...LOL.
Sean Ray , flex wheeler, jay cutler, Arnold...all were banging serious cycles as teenagers.
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The broscience that is qouted as bible in this game is laughable.
"Build a foundation"...um, what ? I'm not a fucking bridge...LOL.
Sean Ray , flex wheeler, jay cutler, Arnold...all were banging serious cycles as teenagers.
Yes, and when you dont build some foundation naturally, and go off gear, you will look like this:
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/f/cf3cd-tom_prince_now.jpg)
Guys that are all drugs lose everything and look like Prince. At least if you build some muscle naturally, you will still keep something, even if you stop training.
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If they have kidney failure and stop eating and training? Wow, that's an impressive foundation those natural beasts build with their deadlifts and milk if it can survive organ failure.
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Rack pulls are still going to widen the waist. If your going to pull low its almost the same thing and if your pulling high, why bother? There are better exercises for a bodybuilder. If you want to be a man pull regardless....
LOL you validate manliness by ''pulling regardless.'' Only an insecure waddling twat would question ''manhood."
One day you'll earn it bro keep liftin heavy. hahahahah I get a kick out of some of you motherfuckers.
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when i trained with nasser he told me the same thing and he showed me how to do the stiff leg deadlifts for the hams from the floor to the knees only while standing over a step or so without the need to go up and involve the lower back.. and he said the same about deadlifts for the lower back not to start from the floor but from the knees..
since then i have been doing the stiff leg dead lift as he said but i didnt try the normal deallifts from the knees level as i didnt like this.. for me deadlifts are deadlifts must be from the floor 8)
so nasser agreed that maybe rack pulls have some point but deadlifts do not
then it's final, if dorian and nasser agree it means it must be true
they are some of the only pro bber who actually put some thought into what they are doing not just throwing around big weights
THANKS
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The broscience that is qouted as bible in this game is laughable.
"Build a foundation"...um, what ? I'm not a fucking bridge...LOL.
Sean Ray , flex wheeler, jay cutler, Arnold...all were banging serious cycles as teenagers.
a foundation of muscle imbalances and disc degeneration is what sets apart the men from the boys ::)
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Stopped reading after "Westside Barbell"
Thanks...got it. powerlifting "experts" LOL.
Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.
It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time. It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....
Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........
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Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.
It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time. It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....
Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........
why do these turds bring up such programs in bodybuilding threads
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so nasser agreed that maybe rack pulls have some point but deadlifts do not
then it's final, if dorian and nasser agree it means it must be true
they are some of the only pro bber who actually put some thought into what they are doing not just throwing around big weights
THANKS
So nasser who was known for having a lagging back said deadlifts are pointless so that confirms it ::)
Yates said he didn't dead lift off the floor because it blows your waist out. well at what point did he stop pulling off the floor then? because he certainly ended up with a pretty hefty waist....
did anyone bother asking him what then was responsible for blowing his own waist out?
And your hero ronnie dead lifted , and his back didn't look too shabby did it?
i have to admit that there are deffo some better physiques than mine in this thread(yours is not one) agreeing with this theory that deadlifting is pointless etc, but i would be curious to see how many of those have good backs in comparison to the rest of their physique?
IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.
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IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.
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This is what nearly everyone does with a lift they dont like or suck at.and honestly that all that is happening here.
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This retard asked what he should do instead of deadlifting because he has no idea how to work his lower back. He has no idea how to do anything but curl. I imagine he puts just as little into the rest of his life as he does avoiding hard training.
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Light deadlifts and squatting is very good for spinal stabilization ie "good for your back."
A lot of geriatric patients would have much fewer back issues if they did body weight swuats and low weight deadlifts.
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Nobody said he had to become a power lifter...but exchanging drugs for a decent base is ridiculous.
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in dorians video blood and guts, he does full deadlifts...
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So nasser who was known for having a lagging back said deadlifts are pointless so that confirms it ::)
Yates said he didn't dead lift off the floor because it blows your waist out. well at what point did he stop pulling off the floor then? because he certainly ended up with a pretty hefty waist....
did anyone bother asking him what then was responsible for blowing his own waist out?
And your hero ronnie dead lifted , and his back didn't look too shabby did it?
i have to admit that there are deffo some better physiques than mine in this thread(yours is not one) agreeing with this theory that deadlifting is pointless etc, but i would be curious to see how many of those have good backs in comparison to the rest of their physique?
IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.
nasser had a very good back but according to Milos he may have got nerve damage from injections in the back
lol at a nobody talking shit about a top olympia competitor in the most competitive decade of BB ::)
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in dorians video blood and guts, he does full deadlifts...
yes
if i remember correctly he pulls off the floor but stops a few inches shy of touching the floor on wach rep.
I also think he said he did this to keep the stress on the back, not cos of the waist issue.
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why do deadlifts anyway. i built a great back with lat pulldowns
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why do deadlifts anyway. i built a great back with lat pulldowns
Why even do lat pull downs. I built a great back using nutrient timing and mind muscle connection from posing.
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Why even do lat pull downs. I built a great back using nutrient timing and mind muscle connection from posing.
Why pose? I just wear heavy sweaters and take really deep breaths.
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I do bent over barbell rows. I'm sure my lower back is getting worked.. and my obliques.
It's all broscience and people thinking of things that work for them... take Dorian stopping 6 inches above the floor on deadlifts. Does anyone here really think that makes a fucking bit of difference in the size of his obliques ? Like they weren't being worked during the rest of the deadlifting stabilizing his torso as he lifted 500 pounds ::)
It's all genetics. And response to drugs f you go that route.
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Yes, and when you dont build some foundation naturally, and go off gear, you will look like this:
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/f/cf3cd-tom_prince_now.jpg)
Guys that are all drugs lose everything and look like Prince. At least if you build some muscle naturally, you will still keep something, even if you stop training.
This. When I see old weightlifters , guys 55+ with barrel chests and wide shoulders who have held thickness years after they stopped lifting or drastically slowed down, they are the ones who spend their lifting careers on bench deads and squats. They didn't get that thickness from pushups and cable exercises.
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This. When I see old weightlifters , guys 55+ with barrel chests and wide shoulders who have held thickness years after they stopped lifting or drastically slowed down, they are the ones who spend their lifting careers on bench deads and squats. They didn't get that thickness from pushups and cable exercises.
How does either one of you know whether Tom Prince did or didn't build a "natural foundation". Seems to ke the kidney failure might be responsible for his drastic loss of muscle
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What is this bullsheet about anabolichalo not having a base? Have you trolls not seen his nattie pics? He is also only on some low doses like 300mg test a week. At that dosage, he has a great physique.
no homo
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What is this bullsheet about anabolichalo not having a base? Have you trolls not seen his nattie pics? He is also only on some low doses like 300mg test a week. At that dosage, he has a great physique.
no homo
It's not even him, hth.
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How does either one of you know whether Tom Prince did or didn't build a "natural foundation". Seems to ke the kidney failure might be responsible for his drastic loss of muscle
Thats one example, and a drug addict at that , which makes me believe he was all drugs to begin with.
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Thats one example, and a drug addict at that , which makes me believe he was all drugs to begin with.
So you don't know, you're speculating.
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So you don't know, you're speculating.
Yes, speculating on ONE example. That example happens to be a severe drug addict who only wanted temporary gains no powerlifting background ect.
Overall, you'll find I am correct. ;)
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Yes, speculating on ONE example. That example happens to be a severe drug addict who only wanted temporary gains no powerlifting background ect.
Overall, you'll find I am correct. ;)
I think you're an OK poster so I won't get into it with you..but no, you are far from correct.
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Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.
It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time. It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....
Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........
if you try and push more weight week in week out your putting your self at risk, with the best form in the world..
now this depends on where you are in your iron journey, anyone with more than a decade in the trenches shouldnt be chasing weights anymore
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I think you're an OK poster so I won't get into it with you..but no, you are far from correct.
All good, was just longing to piss someone off today so figured I'd fuck with you big guy ;D I can't prove what i'm saying obviously like you say i'm merely speculating, but I do think a lifetime of deadlifting will give more long term mass results than a lifetime of push ups.. Pure bro science.
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if you try and push more weight week in week out your putting your self at risk, with the best form in the world..
now this depends on where you are in your iron journey, anyone with more than a decade in the trenches shouldnt be chasing weights anymore
You are pushing more weight, week in, week out, but it's less than your max for the majority of the cycle.. There's also deload weeks every fourth week as well, using only 50% of your max.
And, I can't agree with your last statement - I train to maintain athletic performance, and getting stronger helps that.
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The original point that deads widen your waist and rack deads don't is pure broscience, both are going to work the core equally hard if done with similar intensity. The only difference is you can fuck your back up a lot more with deads from the floor.
Deadlifting gave me a Foundation of herniated discs, a torn hip labrum, piriformis syndrome and the inability to squat for several months of the year when my disc injuries flare up.
the only reason little 'powerbuilder' turds push the lift so much is because it's 'hard' and the idea that 'hard' work = more results is something most wannabes desparately cling onto in the hope that lifting heavy will somehow result in them looking like a bodybuilder... and they take pleasure in pointing out how Jay only deadlifts 315 in his video 'with straps, what a pussy' as if that makes them somehow better than him.
Last night I did rack deads from the knees , after 90 mins of non stop back work and lots of slow machine shrugs.. 315 done slowly for a couple sets of high reps was more than enough to hit the target muscles.
next to me was a tryhard retard humping up 365 for a max single from the floor with horrible form, then dropping it and giving the gym a 'fuck yeah' look in the hope someone was watching his amazing feat of strength
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ANALCHALO....has a good rdb pose,flow wise ,could use some more thickness around and at lat spread points..
and his most muscular his 'fav'is good as well
CONKER...is thick sob ,looks strong as well ,decent abs to go with his size..tell into training and moving weight.relaxed back shot 'traps and upper back and width looks great.
the rest is a pissing match who will cave in or run out of insults,,,
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The original point that deads widen your waist and rack deads don't is pure broscience, both are going to work the core equally hard if done with similar intensity. The only difference is you can fuck your back up a lot more with deads from the floor.
Deadlifting gave me a Foundation of herniated discs, a torn hip labrum, piriformis syndrome and the inability to squat for several months of the year when my disc injuries flare up.
the only reason little 'powerbuilder' turds push the lift so much is because it's 'hard' and the idea that 'hard' work = more results is something most wannabes desparately cling onto in the hope that lifting heavy will somehow result in them looking like a bodybuilder... and they take pleasure in pointing out how Jay only deadlifts 315 in his video 'with straps, what a pussy' as if that makes them somehow better than him.
Last night I did rack deads from the knees , after 90 mins of non stop back work and lots of slow machine shrugs.. 315 done slowly for a couple sets of high reps was more than enough to hit the target muscles.
next to me was a tryhard retard humping up 365 for a max single from the floor with horrible form, then dropping it and giving the gym a 'fuck yeah' look in the hope someone was watching his amazing feat of strength
Well I've been doing both for 20 plus years without injury on top of mutiple combat deployments as a tanker..no back injuries so thats all you dude....another whiny dipshit.
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Well I've been doing both for 20 plus years without injury on top of mutiple combat deployments as a tanker..no back injuries so thats all you dude....another whiny dipshit.
you sound like the kind of Natural Hardcore Beast who promotes 'strength training' but lifts less than most high schoolers so it's not that surprising you haven't accumulated many injuries.
we can have a serious conversation about deadlifts and powerlifting and how they relate to bodybuilding if you've totaled more than 1800 raw, hell, let's make it 1600. How does that sound?
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Absolutely big guy.....but I train correctly. I've torn a labrum training..but no back issues. So u can try and school me all you want with ur bullshit but if your back failed, it isn't the exercise its you, you failed. As for natural hardcore beast...juice all you want, I could care less. The juice as regards this thread isn't the issue. I train 6 days a week and do a meet every 8-12 weeks. At this point you and your 315 deads are coming off as whiny bitch talk. I'm done...
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ANALCHALO....has a good rdb pose,flow wise ,could use some more thickness around and at lat spread points..
and his most muscular his 'fav'is good as well
CONKER...is thick sob ,looks strong as well ,decent abs to go with his size..tell into training and moving weight.relaxed back shot 'traps and upper back and width looks great.
the rest is a pissing match who will cave in or run out of insults,,,
cheers dude. i didn't want to start getting into it with this analholic fella , i was just passing a serious comment and the guy starts calling me a twink lol
anyways all good fun ;D
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There is no fun here..somebody must win the argument or the universe will not rest until the balance is restored.
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halo actualy speaking alot of truth in here...............
epic truths from gal tho
yeah and on top of it, the "strong" guys, strong from deadlifts, im not sure theyre realy stronger , rom for rom, rep for rep.
the pain hell is proper training full contraction full rom, puts extremly more stress on the muscle.just bc some bbuilders "seem" "weak" doesnt mean they are.they ust happen to train smartly.its no excuse or anything.
as ive said, i can not step foot in a gym for years, go back there naturaly and deadlift 4 plates a side.what does it mean?it means fuck all :D
the most extreme example is my legs, apart from the heavyweight competitors on megadoses, i blow all the rest right out of the water.
today i did usual legs day.
20 reps on legpress machine with half the planet fitness styke machine weight stack, couple sets.
couple sets high rep suats with a brutal 1 plate each side
leg curls with about a quarter of the weight available.
why should i do more weight than necesary on the hamcurls machine when i feel if i use too mch all the tension goes to the lower back.
always keep the abs tight :D
when i "trained" legs with 4plates each side quarterrep squats(but telling myself its parralel,haha), the legs looked like shit.
not sure if ppl realize to be able to perform 4 plates squats with perfect form for 10 reps, no cheating at all, this is gonna take monstrous legs.
will this kind of training mean im giving up few lbs of muscle over heavy training?maybe, but so what.
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Yes, and when you dont build some foundation naturally, and go off gear, you will look like this:
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/f/cf3cd-tom_prince_now.jpg)
Guys that are all drugs lose everything and look like Prince. At least if you build some muscle naturally, you will still keep something, even if you stop training.
hm, we must or should point out that tom prince didnt just go off drugs, he also went off diet for sure(when the kidney is shot, theres no more high protein diet),and off training too.
but yes, most all the steroid gains one can kiss goodbye when they totaly go off.thats part of the deal with the dark side :D
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You tell me. Both work just fine. Either from the floor or rack deads.
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IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.
This is what nearly everyone does with a lift they dont like or suck at.and honestly that all that is happening here.
nah, thats wrong, im very strong at deadlift yet sont do them,they dont do much for me.
im shit benchpresser and still do it, i find it a good upper body exercise.
i hate doing machine rows for back ,its very stressfull,moreso than deadlift, but its brought me beter results,so i do it.
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You are pushing more weight, week in, week out, but it's less than your max for the majority of the cycle.. There's also deload weeks every fourth week as well, using only 50% of your max.
And, I can't agree with your last statement - I train to maintain athletic performance, and getting stronger helps that.
you cant alway get stronger,its not possible.
strenght has to do with how much rested, what was eaten over last days, etc, too many factors, if one would always shoot for more strenght theyde either get fat and or muscular progress be held back.
as someone said, i do it for the cosmetical changes, nothing else.
or, why not lift more weight by doing more sets overall at bit lighter weight?
the total lifted will be more.
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The original point that deads widen your waist and rack deads don't is pure broscience, both are going to work the core equally hard if done with similar intensity. The only difference is you can fuck your back up a lot more with deads from the floor.
Deadlifting gave me a Foundation of herniated discs, a torn hip labrum, piriformis syndrome and the inability to squat for several months of the year when my disc injuries flare up.
the only reason little 'powerbuilder' turds push the lift so much is because it's 'hard' and the idea that 'hard' work = more results is something most wannabes desparately cling onto in the hope that lifting heavy will somehow result in them looking like a bodybuilder... and they take pleasure in pointing out how Jay only deadlifts 315 in his video 'with straps, what a pussy' as if that makes them somehow better than him.
Last night I did rack deads from the knees , after 90 mins of non stop back work and lots of slow machine shrugs.. 315 done slowly for a couple sets of high reps was more than enough to hit the target muscles.
next to me was a tryhard retard humping up 365 for a max single from the floor with horrible form, then dropping it and giving the gym a 'fuck yeah' look in the hope someone was watching his amazing feat of strength
i love the term powerbuilders haha
what they gonna do with that power?walk intimidate looking in the street? ;D
they say 5,3,1 deadlift is harder than what ay cutler does.
i say its the other way around
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you cant alway get stronger,its not possible.
strenght has to do with how much rested, what was eaten over last days, etc, too many factors, if one would always shoot for more strenght theyde either get fat and or muscular progress be held back.
as someone said, i do it for the cosmetical changes, nothing else.
or, why not lift more weight by doing more sets overall at bit lighter weight?
the total lifted will be more.
I was the one who said you do it for cosmetic, and agreed to that extent.
I'm using 5/3/1 to gain my strength back after a surgical procedure. It's easy to follow and has been working. I realize it will plateau, then I will mix it up with something different after that.
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Who is Wendler and why am I supposed to listen to his advices ?
I know he played football at ASU and trained at westisde. nice guy but always seemed like a bit of a whacko
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The original point that deads widen your waist and rack deads don't is pure broscience, both are going to work the core equally hard if done with similar intensity. The only difference is you can fuck your back up a lot more with deads from the floor.
Deadlifting gave me a Foundation of herniated discs, a torn hip labrum, piriformis syndrome and the inability to squat for several months of the year when my disc injuries flare up.
the only reason little 'powerbuilder' turds push the lift so much is because it's 'hard' and the idea that 'hard' work = more results is something most wannabes desparately cling onto in the hope that lifting heavy will somehow result in them looking like a bodybuilder... and they take pleasure in pointing out how Jay only deadlifts 315 in his video 'with straps, what a pussy' as if that makes them somehow better than him.
Last night I did rack deads from the knees , after 90 mins of non stop back work and lots of slow machine shrugs.. 315 done slowly for a couple sets of high reps was more than enough to hit the target muscles.
next to me was a tryhard retard humping up 365 for a max single from the floor with horrible form, then dropping it and giving the gym a 'fuck yeah' look in the hope someone was watching his amazing feat of strength
you got injured because you dont know how to properly DL
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How does either one of you know whether Tom Prince did or didn't build a "natural foundation". Seems to ke the kidney failure might be responsible for his drastic loss of muscle
Nonsense. This happens to A LOT of bodybuilders. I can understand if it was an isolated incident, but look at Mustafa Mohhamed (pic below). And those bodybuilders that go off the cycle, eventually realize that they still have to use some gear to keep any muscle size. Look at Levrone and Flex. They are still not natural. Once they went totally off gear they looked like they never touched a weight in their life. Now they are back to being somewhat muscular because they most likely started to use gear again. There is no other way for these guys, kidney failure or not. Its 100% natural and look like utter shit, or continue to juice to keep some size.
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Mustafa_Mohammad/Mustafa_Mohammad_060.jpg)
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Nonsense. This happens to A LOT of bodybuilders. I can understand if it was an isolated incident, but look at Mustafa Mohhamed (pic below). And those bodybuilders that go off the cycle, eventually realize that they still have to use some gear to keep any muscle size. Look at Levrone and Flex. They are still not natural. Once they went totally off gear they looked like they never touched a weight in their life. Now they are back to being somewhat muscular because they most likely started to use gear again. There is no other way for these guys, kidney failure or not. Its 100% natural and look like utter shit, or continue to juice to keep some size.
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Mustafa_Mohammad/Mustafa_Mohammad_060.jpg)
Yeah but that's a different discussion. .whether you can ever regain normal T levels after years of abuse.
The question was about building a natural base no ? I'm sure most lifters start with the basics..even the pros when they were just starting out.
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Yeah but that's a different discussion. .whether you can ever regain normal T levels after years of abuse.
The question was about building a natural base no ? I'm sure most lifters start with the basics..even the pros when they were just starting out.
Yeah, but I wonder how many actually built a natural base. In my opinion building a natural base doesnt mean training naturally from 12 years old to 15 years, then taking gear from 16 years old to 40 years old. I think to build a natural base, you need to probably work out naturally at least to your early 20's at least, then juice (if you want to). Look at Bostin Loyd. That moron is going to deflate once he stops using. He most likely started to juice too early.
Then again, I know shit about using any gear. But seems like people are too quick to jump on, then later on in life, they cant hold onto any muscle.
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nah please stop citing ex bbuildrs who have stopped training and dieting lol, please, this is ridiculous haha.
ofcourse they gonna look like nothing if they dont train anymore.
same would happen to a natural.
and this by no means that in exchange someone who now looks like tom prince(hes shot his kidneys for christ sake he cant eat protein,barely any)or mustafa,it doesnt mean if they took enough drugs they become the tom pronce in his prime or suatafa guy.
when galeniko goes off, went off actually, and stll diets eats the proteins and trains, the downsizing wont be so bad,esp for low dose ppl.ill be bit smaller and little bit fatter but thats it nothing too dramatic.
hell i dont even lose the slight bit size when i stop training altogether,i just get very fat.
theres 2 options post going off, remain lean and youll be thin and have to be very strict on diet, or you dont care and eat all in sight all day and dont actualy lse much size, but get very very fat.
to cite a pro ifbb who was on olympia stage on everything buffet drugs in the world, with later on pics where the kidneys have failed and cant even train is ridiculous.
look levrone, his size is quite still there.it looks bit misleading bc hes not shredded enough, but his arms are huge, not much smaller diameter than when he was on.hed have to jump on cycle and serious diet and hed look close to his old self soon, and his arms wouldnt even grow much,theyd just get better conditioning and thus look much bigger.
jp fuxs legs are also very small currently, why not cite him too lol,he torn every muscle known to men in his legs, hes small these days.
i dont care how much drugs the pros take, it takes hard work and dedication to get where they are none the less.
lol, i tried in the initila years to live the suppesedly perfect plan, as many peds as affordable(15 years ago was not so cheap), eat much protein all 3 hours etc,the works, and what happened?not much i didnt get even remotely close to pro level size,let alone conditioning.
and yes,when they go off they will have very low test levels
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nah please stop citing ex bbuildrs who have stopped training and dieting lol, please, this is ridiculous haha.
ofcourse they gonna look like nothing if they dont train anymore.
same would happen to a natural.
and this by no means that in exchange someone who now looks like tom prince(hes shot his kidneys for christ sake he cant eat protein,barely any)or mustafa,it doesnt mean if they took enough drugs they become the tom pronce in his prime or suatafa guy.
when galeniko goes off, went off actually, and stll diets eats the proteins and trains, the downsizing wont be so bad,esp for low dose ppl.ill be bit smaller and little bit fatter but thats it nothing too dramatic.
hell i dont even lose the slight bit size when i stop training altogether,i just get very fat.
theres 2 options post going off, remain lean and youll be thin and have to be very strict on diet, or you dont care and eat all in sight all day and dont actualy lse much size, but get very very fat.
to cite a pro ifbb who was on olympia stage on everything buffet drugs in the world, with later on pics where the kidneys have failed and cant even train is ridiculous.
look levrone, his size is quite still there.it looks bit misleading bc hes not shredded enough, but his arms are huge, not much smaller diameter than when he was on.hed have to jump on cycle and serious diet and hed look close to his old self soon, and his arms wouldnt even grow much,theyd just get better conditioning and thus look much bigger.
jp fuxs legs are also very small currently, why not cite him too lol,he torn every muscle known to men in his legs, hes small these days.
i dont care how much drugs the pros take, it takes hard work and dedication to get where they are none the less.
lol, i tried in the initila years to live the suppesedly perfect plan, as many peds as affordable(15 years ago was not so cheap), eat much protein all 3 hours etc,the works, and what happened?not much i didnt get even remotely close to pro level size,let alone conditioning.
and yes,when they go off they will have very low test levels
Even if they didnt train, they would shrink down worse than a guy who never built a solid foundation. As was stated by someone else, many old timers who dont train any more still have those broad shoulders and big forearms. They are nowhere near what they used to be, but you can still see remnants of some muscle. Pro bodybuilders shrink down to absolutely nothing.
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lol @ people who think olympians from the 90s never "built a base" ::)
by the way, I deadlifted 515 as a tiny natural with no muscle mass whatsoever and a completely flat, paper-thin back
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i want maximal development
but then again
i dont want to make the waist wide if not needed
so what do i do?
Make shoulders big....real big.
Dorian had huge joints to begin with. His waist would have been big without the deadlifts.
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yeah and on top of it, the "strong" guys, strong from deadlifts, im not sure theyre realy stronger , rom for rom, rep for rep.
the pain hell is proper training full contraction full rom, puts extremly more stress on the muscle.just bc some bbuilders "seem" "weak" doesnt mean they are.they ust happen to train smartly.its no excuse or anything.
as ive said, i can not step foot in a gym for years, go back there naturaly and deadlift 4 plates a side.what does it mean?it means fuck all :D
the most extreme example is my legs, apart from the heavyweight competitors on megadoses, i blow all the rest right out of the water.
today i did usual legs day.
20 reps on legpress machine with half the planet fitness styke machine weight stack, couple sets.
couple sets high rep suats with a brutal 1 plate each side
leg curls with about a quarter of the weight available.
why should i do more weight than necesary on the hamcurls machine when i feel if i use too mch all the tension goes to the lower back.
always keep the abs tight :D
when i "trained" legs with 4plates each side quarterrep squats(but telling myself its parralel,haha), the legs looked like shit.
not sure if ppl realize to be able to perform 4 plates squats with perfect form for 10 reps, no cheating at all, this is gonna take monstrous legs.
will this kind of training mean im giving up few lbs of muscle over heavy training?maybe, but so what.
smart guy here
here's me training with similar very light weights and focusing on stimulating the muscle
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at the time of the famous green t shirt picture I could deadlift 405x1 and 315x10 - no lie. I just do dumbbell rows now because the deadlift can cause injuries which I would rather avoid.
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All things being equal, the heavier you can train the bigger the hypertrophic response.
No one really believes otherwise.
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All things being equal, the heavier you can train the bigger the hypertrophic response.
No one really believes otherwise.
milos sarcev does
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Yeah, but I wonder how many actually built a natural base. In my opinion building a natural base doesnt mean training naturally from 12 years old to 15 years, then taking gear from 16 years old to 40 years old. I think to build a natural base, you need to probably work out naturally at least to your early 20's at least, then juice (if you want to). Look at Bostin Loyd. That moron is going to deflate once he stops using. He most likely started to juice too early.
Then again, I know shit about using any gear. But seems like people are too quick to jump on, then later on in life, they cant hold onto any muscle.
this is false. We need to look at what natural foundation truly means.
The longer you stay on steroids, and the higher doses, the more permanent physiological changes occur in muscle tissue. A guy who has been on grams of test for a decade, who later goes on TRT in his forties will have a huge advantage over a natural guy who goes on TRT who has never used gear. This at least holds true for testosterone and its various esters. Guys think taking steroids is just like filling up a water balloon and once the balloon pops its over, this is so not true.
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All things being equal, the heavier you can train the bigger the hypertrophic response.
No one really believes otherwise.
yah, all things being equal, esp form, agreed.
but ask yourself, can you for example flex the legs or biceps or chest just as hard as when the bar is loaded is half the maximum weight you could use?
i can and cana ctualy control the movement much better that way, when too close to max, the feeling gets "numb" if you know what i mean.
besides that, say in a typical pyramid up and then down training session, the very heavy sets will be few, most will be 50-70% of 1 rep max, this is how most bbers train, whether they want or not, in some way they all taper up weight, be it for warm up or not(nobody goes dead cold into gym and does 1rep max lol),then the heavy sets while the energy is there, then few pump sets.
i dont think the growht is coming from those few heaviest sets.
also, what if one uses pre exhaustion, he wont be able to lift as heavy as usual on compound exercises, but the muscle atleast will not get smaller.
at the time of the famous green t shirt picture I could deadlift 405x1 and 315x10 - no lie.
;D
youre a good guy , being able to laugh about oneself is important,lol, and that said yes i do believe you could lift that.
btw theres one form of deadlifting which puts say usable pressure on the back muscle, but i think its a retarded way to do it and inferior to rows.
oh well, ppl who want may deadlift away.its said to give huge forearms too ;D
milos sarcev does
good point.arguably milos isnt a monster of mass, but hes big enough.i always forget about him, even though, 1 day i checked a training video of him(i usualy never do check their vids)and find myself suprised that its about the same i do.i then copied some of his stuff and aded to my arsenal :D
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milos built his size on heavy weights to the point of having muscles teear off the bone
IRRC
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smart guy here
here's me training with similar very light weights and focusing on stimulating the muscle
2007 I THOUGHT U WERE SQUATTING 500 AND BENCHING 400 THEN?OR WAS THAT BEFORE THE BLOATED DBOL PICS TIME?
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2007 I THOUGHT U WERE SQUATTING 500 AND BENCHING 400 THEN?OR WAS THAT BEFORE THE BLOATED DBOL PICS TIME?
Some people don't like to be reminded that lifting heavy is what built their muscle in the first place. ;)
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Some people don't like to be reminded that lifting heavy is what built their muscle in the first place. ;)
my take is you start lifting heavy
then ease off as you get old
I used to lift like a psycho and got a lot of injuries
now I just try and maintain what I have
I never go below six reps on anything
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my take is you start lifting heavy
then ease off as you get old
I used to lift like a psycho and got a lot of injuries
now I just try and maintain what I have
I never go below six reps on anything
I think this makes sense. Funny thing though, I rarely go ABOVE six reps on the major compound movements. Squats/DLs are often 10 sets of 2-3 or something....varies though.
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my take is you start lifting heavy
then ease off as you get old
I used to lift like a psycho and got a lot of injuries
now I just try and maintain what I have
I never go below six reps on anything
Also need to take in consideration if you're on or not ;)
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All things being equal, the heavier you can train the bigger the hypertrophic response.
No one really believes otherwise.
I don't agree with this.. I thin the more you tolerate the bigger the response...there is so much training to do.otherwise it becomes too much and unnecessary.
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Heavy deadlifts widen the waist!
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I deadlift and my waist is slender yet masculine.
I HTH
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Some people don't like to be reminded that lifting heavy is what built their muscle in the first place. ;)
hm good point but lets stateo it like this, this is more accurate:
the heavy lifting early on strenghtens the tendons,joints and enables for later on better muscle mind connection, for later you can use smaller weights but "play" around with them, and control the, properly.
i think this is the most accurate description.
thinking of this, im not sure if i could squat like i do these days, if i didnt build up the strenght before.sure i did everything wrong in the early years haha, but it did build some strenght foundation.
cant tell if it would have worked otherwise, cant rewind time :-\
or lets say like this, strenght potential will be 90% maxed out after pretty soon(relatively) and its not worth it for a bbuilder to go any further into it, he should from then on focus on diet and good rom , form,etc.with a frequent heavy training day or few sets here and there.
at some point, going for heavier and heavier the risks outweigh the reward, esp muscle growht wise.
yah something like this, i think we have an agreement of kinds ;D
Heavy deadlifts widen the waist!
but you dont mind a little bit gapind and widening of stuff :D
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Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Whatever works for you ladies.
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Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Whatever works for you ladies.
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We should grab a sugar free raspberry vanilla chai latte next time in in CA and talk about these phaggots and their girly physiques.
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We should grab a sugar free raspberry vanilla chai latte next time in in CA and talk about these phaggots and their girly physiques.
NO HOMO..
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Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Whatever works for you ladies.
irrational comments arent useful
what are you really saying here
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2007 I THOUGHT U WERE SQUATTING 500 AND BENCHING 400 THEN?OR WAS THAT BEFORE THE BLOATED DBOL PICS TIME?
you thought wrong. in yellow i squated 500 on dbol
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milos sarcev does
He didn't though.
How come he hack squatted 900lbs and blew out his quads if he didn't believe in heavy weight?
How come his quads were his best bodypart while he was known to move big loads in leg movements? How come he was not known to be a strong presser while he lacked upper body thickness?
Not even Milos believes in what he says, not really. There would never have been a reason to risk injury with heavy weights if he did.
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irrational comments arent useful
what are you really saying here
Full range of motion to get the best results. You want to do half deads? Do them in a rack, they're called rack pulls.
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I tried all methods .. if I were to do it all over again, I would do low weight and high volume. Much better and equal if not better developement
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yah, all things being equal, esp form, agreed.
but ask yourself, can you for example flex the legs or biceps or chest just as hard as when the bar is loaded is half the maximum weight you could use?
i can and cana ctualy control the movement much better that way, when too close to max, the feeling gets "numb" if you know what i mean.
Like you say the form may change when you increase load, so things aren't equal anymore.
Progressive resistance is the name of the game, all things being equal.
I think this mind-muscle connection and squeezing thing is overrated though. I can get a crazy ass pump squatting an empty bar but it will do jack shit to grow muscle. Would Tom Platz have had the legs he did if he never went above say 225 on squats, even if he queezed and flexed his muscles with full force? I say no.
An example. Say I can leg extension 100lbs for 12 reps with perfect form, controlled with a pause at the top etc, whatever you think will increase growth, all while thinking of something completely not related to training. Say I compare that to doing leg extensions with 50lbs for 12 reps while I concentrate intensely on the muscle doing the work, squeezing and tensing as hard as possible. Which will stimulate more growth? The 100lb set.
No one believes in 100% picture perfect form over load. I haven't seen one single bb always training with perfect form, never even slightly sacrificing form over load. Everyone instinctively knows you need a certain load for it to be effective. Getting a pump, being exhausted, squeezing and tensing hard, all that is secondary. No bodybuilder wanting to grow stays with 1 plate a side on squats or presses or deads... even when all of them could kill themselves even with such a light load. The load is just too light to do anything.
Let me ask you this. Let's say someone paid you 1000 bucks for each gram of muscle you gained on your legs over the next six months and you were really motivated to gain as much as possible. Would you still only squat 1 plate? I bet not.
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Full range of motion to get the best results. You want to do half deads? Do them in a rack, they're called rack pulls.
There is no such thing as full range of motion when talking of the common exercises. Who decided deadlifting should be done from the height the common 45lb plate is set at? Which muscle are fully extended and fully contracted through the common floor deadlift? This reasoning can be applied to any exercise.
Basically none of the common exercises work a muscle through its full range of motion, while applying resistance throughout.
Muscle basically knows tension. That's pretty much it.
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Where did you guys read that Yates did rack deadlifts. ??? Was never mentioned in any Yates article while he was competing. His video showed, and all articles mentioned floor deadlifts at the end of the back workout. Something like 440lbs for 8 reps IIRC. He cited risk of injury for his caution. Maybe he had lower back problems.
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is it true that the start of the dead works the upper back and lats more and the finishing part shifts more of the workload to the lower back, ass and hammies?
some dude here on this site said this to me so i'm curious what others have to say about it
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details .. personally I would shy away from deads .. for bodybuilding I see no point
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There is no such thing as full range of motion when talking of the common exercises. Who decided deadlifting should be done from the height the common 45lb plate is set at? Which muscle are fully extended and fully contracted through the common floor deadlift? This reasoning can be applied to any exercise.
Basically none of the common exercises work a muscle through its full range of motion, while applying resistance throughout.
Muscle basically knows tension. That's pretty much it.
Full range of motion pertains to the motion of the movement.
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kai greene is really mad in this video
refuses dorians advice
lol dumb bastard
You obviously believe in everything ever filmed ;D
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There is no such thing as full range of motion when talking of the common exercises. Who decided deadlifting should be done from the height the common 45lb plate is set at? Which muscle are fully extended and fully contracted through the common floor deadlift? This reasoning can be applied to any exercise.
Basically none of the common exercises work a muscle through its full range of motion, while applying resistance throughout.
Muscle basically knows tension. That's pretty much it.
while its true a muscle cant really be "stretched",lenght is given, it can only contract, something simple like bicep curls will give pretty much full rom.
it get smore complicated with shoulders,though
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while its true a muscle cant really be "stretched",lenght is given, it can only contract, something simple like bicep curls will give pretty much full rom.
it get smore complicated with shoulders,though
true,,
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true,,
good thing i read that in some medical book, for i was about to get a pec tear or something from overly extremly "stretching" during flies.
the pains at times felt like really clse to snapping something.
cant stretch the pecs, or give them other form, they grpow as a whole and when lean enough they gonna look good on pretty much everyone.
there was that rule that if the inner lower pec dont dissapear during fdb, it has enough size.makes sense.
but even after all those years, when bit watery of fatty around chest(lower pecs and armpits are typical male fatstores)makes me want to "stretch" it more, but its got nothing to do with iit,when shredded,it suddenly "Looks" bigger and perfect shape(the plate look")haha,even my tiny titts do :P
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good thing i read that in some medical book, for i was about to get a pec tear or something from overly extremly "stretching" during flies.
the pains at times felt like really clse to snapping something.
cant stretch the pecs, or give them other form, they grpow as a whole and when lean enough they gonna look good on pretty much everyone.
there was that rule that if the inner lower pec dont dissapear during fdb, it has enough size.makes sense.
but even after all those years, when bit watery of fatty around chest(lower pecs and armpits are typical male fatstores)makes me want to "stretch" it more, but its got nothing to do with iit,when shredded,it suddenly "Looks" bigger and perfect shape(the plate look")haha,even my tiny titts do :P
good point,,true,,see a lot of young lifters stretching wide and low with flyes...if abs and chest are lean /shaped your set..eyes go up/down or vice versa..
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good point,,true,,see a lot of young lifters stretching wide and low with flyes...if abs and chest are lean /shaped your set..eyes go up/down or vice versa..
yeah, being fat makes even the best do some ridiculous dumb things haha :D
also when theres a layer of fat on abs, i always think this and that needs maybe a crunch etc.
but its realy simply covered in fat and thats it.when shredded and standing relaxed it all pops out nicely, no need to even flex a thing.
the worst case with all this is the back, when its blurred in bloof you actualy think(bc of the brainwashing)that you lost all details, which you have, but not that its gone, theres just layers of fat on the muscle.
this is why when the layer gets smaller, more skin falls on the muscle="Bigger" look.
haha,i really start that thinking every time when the back gets soft, only to discover all pops out again when lean.
this is another testimony why certain movements for certain muscles dont mean growth by default, its best to just randomly do many exercises and honestly! feel out which one makes on benefit most.
surely a guy with broad shoulder structure and small shoulder structure guy will not have the same benefits from deadlifts for example.
the shape of muscle and insertion is so given, cant do shit about it, all one can try to get the best look is when shredded,then the flaws show less.
that said even a guy with 100 structural flaws is better than the skinnfat turd or the fatties who dont do anything.
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"Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-ass weights!" - Ronnie Coleman, man who had the biggest muscles in the world.
He did 800 solid-ass pounds in the squat and deadlift, did he do this regularly? Or was it just for show on his training video?
look at the state of him now
all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian
tore their bodies to shreds
if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body
i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting
i wish id trained smarter
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look at the state of him now
all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian
tore their bodies to shreds
if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body
i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting
i wish id trained smarter
good post..
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Nobody said he had to become a power lifter...but exchanging drugs for a decent base is ridiculous.
moderation is the key to anything in life. Start light, work your way up.
personally, I took my i bench from 175 for a couple reps to 365 for a couple reps without ever putting more than 2 plates on the bar.
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look at the state of him now
all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian
tore their bodies to shreds
if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body
i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting
i wish id trained smarter
Training smart and heavy. 8)
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Training smart and heavy. 8)
impossible
either one or the other
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Van B and Gal are both right, Gal mentioned that squatting 405 for a few sets of 10 absolutely perfect reps would be all youd need to give you big legs and he's right imo , you need to balance a certain amount of weight with that perfect form. Not stupid bouncy reps or half reps, but taking 3 seconds to go all the way down, pause a second then squeeze out the bottom. Most people have no idea how hard it is to squat like that, or how much your legs burn after doing it.
lifting 135 for 2 hours will probably only work for those with the best genetic response, but doing 225 for 10x10 with not much rest between sets and slow negatives would probably be a lot better. And if you could do 315 for 10x10 with the same form, obviously you'd be bigger.
It's when retards confuse CNS training and max single, or triple training, with hypertrophy. Doing 3 sets of 1-3 reps in an hour with super heavy weights and no negative to speak of isn't the best way to build muscle, and certainly isn't a good idea if you're planning on doing this into your 50's
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How about I dont give a piss about what he did he beat the piss out of everyone for years.
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impossible
either one or the other
Bullshit.
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kai greene is really mad in this video
refuses dorians advice
lol dumb bastard
yep...see the size of Yates in that vid... ;)
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Dorian looks huge in this video
X 2..all the way big dude ;D
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Yeah, but I wonder how many actually built a natural base. In my opinion building a natural base doesnt mean training naturally from 12 years old to 15 years, then taking gear from 16 years old to 40 years old. I think to build a natural base, you need to probably work out naturally at least to your early 20's at least, then juice (if you want to). Look at Bostin Loyd. That moron is going to deflate once he stops using. He most likely started to juice too early.
Then again, I know shit about using any gear. But seems like people are too quick to jump on, then later on in life, they cant hold onto any muscle.
There are plenty of guys on here who maintain good size without ped's.. Those bb'ers are just lazy and won't train without gear.