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....at 182lbs. Flame on.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206513039087022&set=vb.1301686040&type=2&theater
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....at 182lbs. Flame on.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206513039087022&set=vb.1301686040&type=2&theater
It says the content is not unavailable . Pretty impressive nonetheless
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Strong kid
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more box squatting?
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How does he have his fists in front of him with the bar on his back?
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How does he have his fists in front of him with the bar on his back?
Spotter. Not his hands. We always work with 3 spotters.
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Taller than 5'0" - quite the strong giant.
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Spotter. Not his hands. We always work with 3 spotters.
3 spotters? Why?
Is this an "ME" day?
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Taller than 5'0" - quite the strong giant.
6'0-1
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Epic side parting.
Strong kid though.
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3 spotters? Why?
Is this an "ME" day?
2 on the ends. 1 in the back. Yes, it's a max effort.
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Coach, because the video can't be shown.
Is this a box squat? If so, are you concerned about spinal compression due to the box?
What depth is this squat to?
Could your son do this if no spotters were there?
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....at 182lbs. Flame on.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206513039087022&set=vb.1301686040&type=2&theater
finally someone that gives hope against generation nothingness.
props also to the father
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Coach, because the video can't be shown.
Is this a box squat? If so, are you concerned about spinal compression due to the box?
What depth is this squat to?
Could your son do this if no spotters were there?
Yes. No. Not worried about spine. Bigger concern if there wasnt a box. 14" box w/ 2" pad. As you can probably tell we use a Westside template but modify it for athletes. These kids have a much bigger risk of getting injured in a high school weigh room with inept coaches than they do in my facility.
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He must have taken after his mother. Normal height and not hideous looking.
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El-O-El
480 box squat=185 real squat.
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El-O-El
480 box squat=185 real squat.
Hopefully the Coach's curse skipped a generation.
(http://geekologie.com/2014/10/08/fainting-goat-gazebo-jump.gif)
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El-O-El
480 box squat=185 real squat.
Yeah, these guys must be good for at least 225 in a "real squat" EL-O-EL
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Strong ,good looking kid , nice to see John Parrillo helping the youngster .
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Strong ,good looking kid , nice to see John Parrillo helping the youngster .
Must be adopted then.
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how old is he
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He must have taken after his mother. Normal height and not hideous looking.
Lol, taking everything into account (physique, face ect) do you consider yourself more handsome and a better overall catch than coach?
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Doesn't look nothing like you. Might want to take this to Maury.
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Lol, taking everything into account (physique, face ect) do you consider yourself more handsome and a better overall catch than coach?
He is built like a box troll and looks like a dwarf.
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how old is he
17
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hard to piss on that, good job!
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Strong lift, not a fan of box squats however, most use them merely as a crutch to help them up and out of the hole. I see it all the time at the gym, guys using 365 for reps though would be buried for one if the box/bench were taken from underneath them.
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17
nice weight,does he play football?
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....at 182lbs. Flame on.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206513039087022&set=vb.1301686040&type=2&theater
Nice high-and-tight John Birch Society cut. The guy's lifting resistance is Liberalism. ;D
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nice weight,does he play football?
Yes, this was his last year. He starts practice with his college team this month.
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I don't understand...Are you saying he squatted 480? Moving 480 a few inches means nothing....
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I don't understand...Are you saying he squatted 480? Moving 480 a few inches means nothing....
And you wonder why his MMA fighters get KTFO or submitted on the regular. He cant even tell what a proper squat looks like.
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Hopefully the Coach's curse skipped a generation.
(http://geekologie.com/2014/10/08/fainting-goat-gazebo-jump.gif)
Nice cock on that beast.
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Nice cock on that beast.
reminds me of Dillett freezing onstage from cramps.
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Yes, this was his last year. He starts practice with his college team this month.
and what college football team is this ???
(http://goldenwestcollege.edu/rustlersam/images/rustlersam_40thlogo.jpg)
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and what college football team is this ???
(http://goldenwestcollege.edu/rustlersam/images/rustlersam_40thlogo.jpg)
Almost any highchool football player can get a scholarship to play football somewhere. I remember my highschool coach guaranteeing everyone on the team a place to play as long as they got above a 3.0 Division III schools and community colleges need players too.
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nice coach..
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I will add again, that I am just messin with ya Coach. Glad to see that the business is doing good, and that your kid is doing well for himself.
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Almost any highchool football player can get a scholarship to play football somewhere. I remember my highschool coach guaranteeing everyone on the team a place to play as long as they got above a 3.0 Division III schools and community colleges need players too.
One of the best players i ever played against was this greek dude at a high school in Palos Verdes , ca.
dude was FAST! He was making all the black dudes on the team and me look like chumps, he ran for like 6 touchdowns all probably over 50yrds lol, he ended up playing for USC for a year or 2 then got hurt , now he does radio on Fox Sports
After that game i realized what it was to be at the very next level on the playing field , and i wasnt going to get there lol
Petros Papadakis
dude on the right
(http://www.ntsmediaonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sanchez.jpeg)
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Americas youth tend to love Obama, be careful coach.
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It's always good to see a dad who is proud of his son's accomplishments.
Good going, Coach!
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I don't understand...Are you saying he squatted 480? Moving 480 a few inches means nothing....
We'll leave it at that.
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Almost any highchool football player can get a scholarship to play football somewhere. I remember my highschool coach guaranteeing everyone on the team a place to play as long as they got above a 3.0 Division III schools and community colleges need players too.
You didnt play ball did you??? Of course not you fat fuck or you would know better than to say most get scholarships - lol. What a fucking dumbass
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One of the best players i ever played against was this greek dude at a high school in Palos Verdes , ca.
dude was FAST! He was making all the black dudes on the team and me look like chumps, he ran for like 6 touchdowns all probably over 50yrds lol, he ended up playing for USC for a year or 2 then got hurt , now he does radio on Fox Sports
After that game i realized what it was to be at the very next level on the playing field , and i wasnt going to get there lol
Petros Papadakis
dude on the right
(http://www.ntsmediaonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sanchez.jpeg)
He was also the captain that year as well.
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Almost any highchool football player can get a scholarship to play football somewhere. I remember my highschool coach guaranteeing everyone on the team a place to play as long as they got above a 3.0 Division III schools and community colleges need players too.
To the best of knowledge they don't scholarships at the D3 level or Juco.
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Strong lift, not a fan of box squats however, most use them merely as a crutch to help them up and out of the hole. I see it all the time at the gym, guys using 365 for reps though would be buried for one if the box/bench were taken from underneath them.
We use for posterior chain development with a wide stance. If it's done correctly it's a harder lift than a free squat.
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and what college football team is this ???
(http://goldenwestcollege.edu/rustlersam/images/rustlersam_40thlogo.jpg)
Not GW.
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Yeah, these guys must be good for at least 225 in a "real squat" EL-O-EL
What the hell is a box squat? There's no way that kid is squatting 480 for any kind of real squat. Good for him for lifting the bar and all though.
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What the hell is a box squat? There's no way that kid is squatting 480 for any kind of real squat. Good for him for lifting the bar and all though.
Wrong.
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That's a helluva lift.
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Awesome Coach, very strong...
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So this Justin Beiber kid goes from hanging with Mayweather to squatting with Coach? What a fall from grace!
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I just love it when the euro group wakes up and chimes in. Lol
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Lol, taking everything into account (physique, face ect) do you consider yourself more handsome and a better overall catch than coach?
LOL, what a question.
Everyone knows that Shizzo is right up there with Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan when they were young.
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Tell your son good job on the lift! You said you guys are using Westside for athletes? What lift are you guys using on the Dynamic Effort day? My son plays high school football, too. I'm thinking of using the Westside template for the this upcoming season.
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Yes. No. Not worried about spine. Bigger concern if there wasnt a box. 14" box w/ 2" pad. As you can probably tell we use a Westside template but modify it for athletes. These kids have a much bigger risk of getting injured in a high school weigh room with inept coaches than they do in my facility.
This is very true.
Lots of big HS (and small ones i suppose) have football coaches who double as the strength coach.
I used to,have our kids start with basic box squats to get used to "sitting"back in the squat and also to illustrate what a good squat depth is
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It says the content is not unavailable . Pretty impressive nonetheless
Why not post a video someone can see or some screen shots showing what he was doing. From this it looks like he has the bar on his back but then what?
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Why not post a video someone can see or some screen shots showing what he was doing. From this it looks like he has the bar on his back but then what?
I posted it from my FB account. I thought it could be seen.
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So your 17 year old son is doing full squats with 500 pounds.
Um, yeah, OK.
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So this Justin Beiber kid goes from hanging with Mayweather to squatting with Coach? What a fall from grace!
;D
Glad the kid's doing well and all, but I guarantee, using an Olympic style and hitting rock bottom, the young feller would become perma-stapled to the floor with anywhere NEAR 480 pounds.
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Tell your son good job on the lift! You said you guys are using Westside for athletes? What lift are you guys using on the Dynamic Effort day? My son plays high school football, too. I'm thinking of using the Westside template for the this upcoming season.
Depending on how close we are to the season, our Dynamic with our more experianced lifters is chain, bands or both. Some might argue with our main lifts its too close to the actual Westside because they think it compromises joint integrity. If the pre-Hab exercises are done correctly this is far from true although I keep in mind that these still are kids and of course even though most are the same age, some are more maturely developed than others. My son is a senior and the kid that you see spotting him is a freshman, but this kid is a 5'9 195lb terror on the field that squats 405. We have no injuries from lifting.
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;D
Glad the kid's doing well and all, but I guarantee, using an Olympic style and hitting rock bottom, the young feller would become perma-stapled to the floor with anywhere NEAR 480 pounds.
Don't confuse true olympic lifting with o-lifting for athletes. It's night and day. We olympic lift...for athletes. They're not Olympic lifter nor are they powerlifters but when you combine the two the power developing is incredible. Btw, I don't believe in testing a 1rm in an O-lift. Power lift..absolutely and weekly.
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Is there a video somewhere ? Like youtube? ???
Box squats are either retarded spine damaging ego strokes or brutally hard so need to see the depth to judge
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Coach when r u coming to ct to train me
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Disappointed.
Was expecting a Big Mike Cox type thread.
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What are his other lifts (bench, deadlift, etc) like?
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Disappointed.
Was expecting a Big Mike Cox type thread.
Haha.
Best post of the week. ;D :D
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Is there a video somewhere ? Like youtube? ???
Box squats are either retarded spine damaging ego strokes or brutally hard so need to see the depth to judge
Coach can't even master the task of embedding a youtube video so I'm sure actually creating one is well beyond his capability.
Joe - why did you post this video. Are you really so desperate for attention that you'll expose your own kid to ridicule?
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how can one have such a skinny neck and squat so much
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how can one have such a skinny neck and squat so much
Exactly. A twink like that could barely lift it off the rack.
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Exactly. A twink like that could barely lift it off the rack.
Except he does lift it and box squat it.
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Except he does lift it and box squat it.
Box squat? ::) If you say so. The video does not work for me.
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Coach can't even master the task of embedding a youtube video so I'm sure actually creating one is well beyond his capability.
Joe - why did you post this video. Are you really so desperate for attention that you'll expose your own kid to ridicule?
Awsome response genious. It's not a YouTube. But feel free to come down and train us. I promise I'll keep the weight at less 225 so it doesn't bury your fat ass.
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Box squat? ::) If you say so. The video does not work for me.
It's a FB video taken from my wall. Looks like the person viewing has to be a friend. But there are enough on here thats seen it.
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Coach when r u coming to ct to train me
When it's not -50
PayPal is my friend
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Box squat? ::) If you say so. The video does not work for me.
I saw the video.
So, if you believe that he did the lift, what's the issue. Why the roll eyes?
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Awsome response genious. It's not a YouTube. But feel free to come down and train us. I promise I'll keep the weight at less 225 so it doesn't bury your fat ass.
LOL
I hope you're not his spelling coach
no shit it's not a youtube video and I never said it was
I said you were too stupid to even know how to embed a youtube video much less create one
I squat at the end of my workout (after leg extensions and leg press) and these days don't go above 275-315 but it's not some bullshit 1 rep box squat with 4 spotters
It's full squats for 10-15 reps
btw - why did you post this in the first place.
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LOL
I hope you're not his spelling coach
no shit it's not a youtube video and I never said it was
I said you were too stupid to even know how to embed a youtube video much less create one
I squat at the end of my workout (after leg extensions and leg press) and these days don't go above 275-315 but it's not some bullshit 1 rep box squat with 4 spotters
It's full squats for 10-15 reps
btw - why did you post this in the first place.
Why in the fuck would you squat last? Hahaha
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Why in the fuck would you squat last? Hahaha
so I don't have to use as much weight and it also feels better because I'm completely warmed up from prior exercises
same exact thing that Lee Haney and Lee Labrada used to do
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so I don't have to use as much weight and it also feels better because I'm completely warmed up from prior exercises
same exact thing that Lee Haney and Lee Labrada used to do
But Lee Haney and Lee Labrada are not athletes. :'( :'(
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But Lee Haney and Lee Labrada are not athletes. :'( :'(
and both are in their 50's and appear injury free and still working out
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But Lee Haney and Lee Labrada are not athletes. :'( :'(
And he's not lee Labrada or Lee Haney.....trust me
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Weider Training Principles
#23/ PRE-EXHAUSTION
Pre-exhaust a muscle with a single-joint exercise before performing a multi-joint movement. In leg training, you can start with leg extensions ( which target the quads ) before a set of squats ( which also work the glutes and hamstrings.
(http://truebody.weebly.com/uploads/8/9/6/7/8967398/7803321.jpg?397)
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And he's not lee Labrada or Lee Haney.....trust me
never said I was and of course neither are you
also, you don't know me at all
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480 at 17 s pretty good I wonder what his stack is
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El-O-El
480 box squat=185 real squat.
Parallel box squat is harder than a parallel sqt
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All stupid gymrats have destroeyed the world Squat!
Before we only had one squat! Bar on the shoulders and ass down, hips below your knee!
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FUCK U ALL!
Only time when I listen is when a competive powerlifter/weightlifter tell me how much he squat. Everyone else is just blablablaba...
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Weider Training Principles
#23/ PRE-EXHAUSTION
Pre-exhaust a muscle with a single-joint exercise before performing a multi-joint movement. In leg training, you can start with leg extensions ( which target the quads ) before a set of squats ( which also work the glutes and hamstrings.
(http://truebody.weebly.com/uploads/8/9/6/7/8967398/7803321.jpg?397)
Lol....awesome. We don't bodybuild. But regardless.
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tell the kid to drop it to 250-275 and do full dept
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Lol....awesome. We don't bodybuild. But regardless.
does crossfit have Principles as well ???
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tell the kid to drop it to 250-275 and do full dept
Why?
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Why?
going half reps with weights you really cant handle will just shorten the life of your kneejoint.
your knees I really don't give a fuck just telling you how it is.
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going half reps with weights you really cant handle will just shorten the life of your kneejoint.
your knees I really don't give a fuck just telling you how it is.
He's not doing half reps. He's doing wide stance box squats on a 14 inch box with a two inch pad.
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These threads always expose the Flex magazine readers. :)
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So many jealous fags on here.
That's a legit strong lift for anyone.
Real athletes don't train like bodybuilders. There is an actual purpose behind what he's doing.
8)
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What's he hitting in deads and bench?
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These threads always expose the Flex magazine readers. :)
They're always fun. Lol
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tell the kid to drop it to 250-275 and do full dept
Do you want a 2-3sec pause at the bottom?
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I bet this stud box squats all the time as well
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Parallel box squat is harder than a parallel sqt
No, it's not
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Do you want a 2-3sec pause at the bottom?
couldn't watch the vid but I assumed it was a half rep since box squat + the weight sounds too much for a kid that age to do full dept
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No, it's not
It is and I'll tell you why. If the box squat is done correctly when you sit back on the box itself, your shin angle should be behind your toes forcing you to use your posterior chain. This is the primary reason why we box squat. If he was to free squat (which he does at school) he can take that wider than normal stance and still come to parallel or below. His regular squat is in the mid-400's at least because his posterior chain is strong. Same with most of our athletes. Explosiveness in any power sport come from posterior chain. This is also why my 140lbs cyclist is able to box squat 345. It's also why anyone with a strong posterior chain can do a big box jump. This is a 54" tire jump for multiples...
http://instagram.com/p/wK-OQ8G10F/
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couldn't watch the vid but I assumed it was a half rep since box squat + the weight sounds too much for a kid that age to do full dept
A 14" box at 6ft tall would have him right around parallel
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I bet this stud box squats all the time as well
Blithering idiot.
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A 14" box at 6ft tall would have him right around parallel
And that's where he is. We only squat parallel or below. When we front squat it well below.
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It is and I'll tell you why. If the box squat is done correctly when you sit back on the box itself, your shin angle should be behind your toes forcing you to use your posterior chain. This is the primary reason why we box squat. If he was to free squat (which he does at school) he can take that wider than normal stance and still come to parallel or below. His regular squat is in the mid-400's at least because his posterior chain is strong. Same with most of our athletes. Explosiveness in any power sport come from posterior chain. This is also why my 140lbs cyclist is able to box squat 345. It's also why anyone with a strong posterior chain can do a big box jump. This is a 54" tire jump for multiples...
http://instagram.com/p/wK-OQ8G10F/
I have no problems with box squats, I've done them years ago and have heard them praised as being the golden calf before. But in all practical purposes the box really serves as a crutch in the hardest part of the lift. They're in no way a harder movement than a correctly done free squat. A regular squat is a much harder movement, a much more violent movement by nature.
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Joe, how much could you do in this lift?
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Yeah, these guys must be good for at least 225 in a "real squat" EL-O-EL
nice leg development on those fellas ::)
lmao @ beer belly old man with bird legs
alot of them probably have knee problems. dont teach your son to lift like that...
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where is a white kid playing college fb at 182 lbs?
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nice leg development on those fellas ::)
lmao @ beer belly old man with bird legs
alot of them probably have knee problems. dont teach your son to lift like that...
1. It saves knees.
2. It saves knees for life because of the posterior strength thats involved. Hamstrings are a flexor to the knee. Most of the time of you have knee problems from squatting, it's because you're squatting above parallel and/or your hamstrings are weak.
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Good looking kid, strong and tall... Best of luck with him coach!
"1"
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where is a white kid playing college fb at 182 lbs?
He's usually around 190-195. After the season Between school, girlfriend, etc he does't have much time to eat. Getting him to eat like he should is a difficult task. But, he was a safety so he'll probably be a safety in college as well.
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where is a white kid playing college fb at 182 lbs?
Cole Beasley just signed a 14 million dollar contract and he weighs 174 pounds.
He can jump through the roof as well.
(http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cole-Beasley.jpg)
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Love Tommy Moffit. Met him two years ago at the Hammer Strength clinic at USC. My son with was with me and he was the youngest one at the clinic. Tommy sat with him during lunch. We took him up on his invite to LSU to watch the team activities for a week. One of the best coaches of not THE best coach in college football. But in a team situation of course we can't box squat but we do squat wider than he suggests.
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Cole Beasley just signed a 14 million dollar contract and he weighs 174 pounds.
He can jump through the roof as well.
(http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cole-Beasley.jpg)
Good on him. Usually the bros have the great ups.
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A high school safety squatting 480. Aahahhahahahahahahahaha
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Awsome response genious. It's not a YouTube. But feel free to come down and train us. I promise I'll keep the weight at less 225 so it doesn't bury your fat ass.
Post the video or shut up. No one has seen it.
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Post the video or shut up. No one has seen it.
I have - fuck off already.
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I have - fuck off already.
I thought it was Coach who posted the video (though the one time I checked it didn't work)
You're saying you posted it too?
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I thought it was Coach who posted the video (though the one time I checked it didn't work)
You're saying you posted it too?
Read the second sentence in the post I responded to.
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Read the second sentence in the post I responded to.
Gotcha
what do you think of a parent posting a video of his kid on a board known for dishing out shit and inviting people to "flame on"
what is the motivation there on the part of the parent?
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Gotcha
what do you think of a parent posting a video of his kid on a board known for dishing out shit and inviting people to "flame on"
what is the motivation there on the part of the parent?
Within the context of Coach (familiar with the board, age of son, expertise in field, etc) it's not a problem. If it was somebody else with a younger child, that's different.
As for motivation, I think it's just a proud parent showing something others might be interested in. And those who understand it, were. Those who are gimmicks, ignorant of training for athletics, or who kept making lame jokes and getting ignored, obviously were not interested.
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Within the context of Coach (familiar with the board, age of son, expertise in field, etc) it's not a problem.
As for motivation, I think it's just a proud parent showing something others might be interested in. And those who understand it, were. Those who are gimmicks, ignorant of training for athletics, or who kept making lame jokes and getting ignored, obviously were not interested.
I wouldn't say criticizing (or making lame jokes as you phrased it) was not an obvious lack of interest
He invited people to flame on and that's exactly what they did
You can be proud of your kid without having to post videos, especially on a forum like this
I just don't get the need for attention (on Joe's part - not his kid)
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Now this is impressive!!
(http://thepatrickmullin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tom-platz-squat.jpg)
(http://massiveiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/deep-squats.jpg)
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/3712d1018109194-what-f*ck-happend-tom-platz-tom_platz_040502_repost_001.jpg)
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this chinese kid is supposedly 17
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Now this is impressive!!
(http://thepatrickmullin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tom-platz-squat.jpg)
(http://massiveiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/deep-squats.jpg)
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/3712d1018109194-what-f*ck-happend-tom-platz-tom_platz_040502_repost_001.jpg)
Bodybuilder, weightlifter, bodybuilder. We follow a powerlifting template. You know this as it was explained when you trained there.
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Within the context of Coach (familiar with the board, age of son, expertise in field, etc) it's not a problem. If it was somebody else with a younger child, that's different.
As for motivation, I think it's just a proud parent showing something others might be interested in. And those who understand it, were. Those who are gimmicks, ignorant of training for athletics, or who kept making lame jokes and getting ignored, obviously were not interested.
Strawman just likes to argue. He falls into the category of ignorance of training.
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Basically what I think is being portrayed in this thread is most don't have the same respect for box squats as they do regular squats, which is understandable. None of the top raw lifters these days think much of box squats either it would seem. They just aren't as impressive. There are better variations of the squat and better ways to train the posterior chain in my opinion, just not a fan of the movement in general.
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Bodybuilder, weightlifter, bodybuilder. We follow a powerlifting template. You know this as it was explained when you trained there.
I never said you didn't follow a powerlifting template. I clearly stated that I thought those pictures were impressive. Nothing more. Nothing less. They are impressive in my opinion. If you're going to get defensive, that's your business.
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Strawman just likes to argue. He falls into the category of ignorance of training.
I never said a word about your kid or his squat...did I?
Coach can't even master the task of embedding a youtube video so I'm sure actually creating one is well beyond his capability.
Joe - why did you post this video. Are you really so desperate for attention that you'll expose your own kid to ridicule?
Hey Joe, the father of your son is a certified moron
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Gotcha
what do you think of a parent posting a video of his kid on a board known for dishing out shit and inviting people to "flame on"
what is the motivation there on the part of the parent?
He knows it ain't a squat. He doesn't even have the brass to say it in the title. Not "squatting 480" just "hitting 480." And as for one person claiming to have seen it, LOL. BSBB. Box Squat Butt Boy.
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He knows it ain't a squat. He doesn't even have the brass to say it in the title. Not "squatting 480" just "hitting 480." And as for one person claiming to have seen it, LOL. BSBB. Box Squat Butt Boy.
Hey brother, if you really want to know the truth the majority of "gym rats" and especially the person walking off the street can't squat even though they think they can. Anterior pelvic tilt, can't dorsi-flex, valgus, valgum, extended neck, eyes down (your body follows where your eyes point), instability, tight hips, can't externally rotate shoulders, can't keep a neutral spine, weight too Far forward, too far back. Bottom line, if you can't do a proper OH squat you shouldn't squat until the problem is fixed.
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Hey brother, if you really want to know the truth the majority of "gym rats" and especially the person walking off the street can't squat even though they think they can. Anterior pelvic tilt, can't dorsi-flex, valgus, valgum, extended neck, eyes down (your body follows where your eyes point), instability, tight hips, can't externally rotate shoulders, can't keep a neutral spine, weight too Far forward, too far back. Bottom line, if you can't do a proper OH squat you shouldn't squat until the problem is fixed.
and also an internal rotation defecit
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where is he playing college football
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Hey brother, if you really want to know the truth the majority of "gym rats" and especially the person walking off the street can't squat even though they think they can. Anterior pelvic tilt, can't dorsi-flex, valgus, valgum, extended neck, eyes down (your body follows where your eyes point), instability, tight hips, can't externally rotate shoulders, can't keep a neutral spine, weight too Far forward, too far back. Bottom line, if you can't do a proper OH squat you shouldn't squat until the problem is fixed.
Pure deflection. Post a screen shot or two showing him actually squatting 480 not holding some bar in a rack.
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Pure deflection. Post a screen shot or two showing him actually squatting 480 not holding some bar in a rack.
I don't know where youre located but I have $500 that says you couldn't keep up even with my HS freshman weight wise let alone a HS senior intensity for the entire training session. Anytime you're in HB and you feel like putting your money where your big mouth is, my boys are ready. That goes for my 52 year old ass as well. We can video it, we can take pictures and feel free to post where ever you want. How bout it? We can even free squat of you want.
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Do you guys do plyos? If so, which ones?
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Do you guys do plyos? If so, which ones?
Box jumps, depth jump, depth jump into box jump, plyo hops, hurdle hops, standing broad jumps, reactive box jumps, seated box jumps, etc
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He knows it ain't a squat. He doesn't even have the brass to say it in the title. Not "squatting 480" just "hitting 480." And as for one person claiming to have seen it, LOL. BSBB. Box Squat Butt Boy.
You may be onto something, that could be a subconscious thing. I wouldn't call a box squat a squat either. Not trying to troll coach. Very impressive for 182 at 17.
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You may be onto something, that could be a subconscious thing. I wouldn't call a box squat a squat either. Not trying to troll coach. Very impressive for 182 at 17.
Post a picture, so far he is holding a bar.
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Post a picture, so far he is holding a bar.
Picture of what? Does he look like he's faking it? Lol
Like I said. You're invited anytime. Not being a dick here.
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Now this is impressive!!
(http://thepatrickmullin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tom-platz-squat.jpg)
(http://massiveiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/deep-squats.jpg)
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why are the bars bending with such light weight?
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Picture of what? Does he look like he's faking it? Lol
Like I said. You're invited anytime. Not being a dick here.
Post a picture of him actually squatting with 480 not just a side view of his holding a bar. A couple of stills or screenshots from the video will be enough for me to admit I was a dumb ass.
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Is this the son that hit .260 in high school baseball and you claimed this earned him all-American honors? Oh brother
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Is this the son that hit .260 in high school baseball and you claimed this earned him all-American honors? Oh brother
It's always cute when the gimmicks come out and hide.
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Post a picture of him actually squatting with 480 not just a side view of his holding a bar. A couple of stills or screenshots from the video will be enough for me to admit I was a dumb ass.
Best I could do...
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I see he uses the same barber as you. :-X
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475 from last week...
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I love when people who talk shit about someone else that say "post a pic or video" never posts one up themselves. Lol
Your turn. Post a pic.
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I love when people who talk shit about someone else that say "post a pic or video" never posts one up themselves. Lol
Your turn. Post a pic.
Here is a screenshot pic of my video that I posted where I made an outlandish claim:
Nothing.
Because I didn't post any video making an outlandish claim needing to be backed up.
And as for you smart guy, the 2 pics you posted are just of him holding that weight on his back, not squatting. What did the bar move there an inch? I give that kid props for holding that much weight and he looks like he's got a good muscular frame, but he didn't squat 480. If he did, you would have posted a picture of him doing something other than holding up a bar.
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Here is a screenshot pic of my video that I posted where I made an outlandish claim:
Nothing.
Because I didn't post any video making an outlandish claim needing to be backed up.
And as for you smart guy, the 2 pics you posted are just of him holding that weight on his back, not squatting. What did the bar move there an inch? I give that kid props for holding that much weight and he looks like he's got a good muscular frame, but he didn't squat 480. If he did, you would have posted a picture of him doing something other than holding up a bar.
Again, feel free to come train with on either a max lower or upper. You seem to be avoiding this invite. I've had several solid getbiggers in to train. Check that. You're invited to come in for the entire week.
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Here is a screenshot pic of my video that I posted where I made an outlandish claim:
Nothing.
Because I didn't post any video making an outlandish claim needing to be backed up.
And as for you smart guy, the 2 pics you posted are just of him holding that weight on his back, not squatting. What did the bar move there an inch? I give that kid props for holding that much weight and he looks like he's got a good muscular frame, but he didn't squat 480. If he did, you would have posted a picture of him doing something other than holding up a bar.
Actually you just posted that you did 315 x 31. Even 315 x 15 would put you at around a 515 1RM. 31 would be like what? Close to 700-750 or more?
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Here is a screenshot pic of my video that I posted where I made an outlandish claim:
Nothing.
Because I didn't post any video making an outlandish claim needing to be backed up.
And as for you smart guy, the 2 pics you posted are just of him holding that weight on his back, not squatting. What did the bar move there an inch? I give that kid props for holding that much weight and he looks like he's got a good muscular frame, but he didn't squat 480. If he did, you would have posted a picture of him doing something other than holding up a bar.
Here Ya go. I'm not good at technology so it takes me awhile to figure this stuff out. He's in the concentric in this capture. And BTW, no. The spotter isn't helping what so ever. Even though we have 3 spotters and safety bars I require that the spotters stay close. These are still kids.
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Does he always squat with his elbows flared so far back like that? Most of the good squatters I know tend to keep their elbows up and under the bar to keep their chest up and to prevent them from folding forward. Surely being a kid and not that big he could also get his hand spacing in a bit closer as well, does wonders for upper back tightness in the squat. Just an observation.
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Does he always squat with his elbows flared so far back like that? Most of the good squatters I know tend to keep their elbows up and under the bar to keep their chest up and to prevent them from folding forward. Surely being a kid and not that big he could also get his hand spacing in a bit closer as well, does wonders for upper back tightness in the squat. Just an observation.
Personally I kind of think that's splitting hairs but that's ok. He's done that since day one. It's a habit but I see what you're saying. But it works for him. He does stay upright, chest up, spine and head neutral. Squats wide (at least as wide as the racks foot print and squats barefoot (he just socks). But he's comfortable with it.
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Why is everyone opposed to box squats?
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Why is everyone opposed to box squats?
Most don't know any better. If we were bodybuilding we wouldn't be doing box squats but we have a different purpose. But still the arguments go on. It's all good though.
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The thing is that it's hard to say if this poundage is any good or not because this type of box squat can in no way be compared to a regular full squat. Coach posted some of their box squatting a long time ago and you can probably do about double compared to a full regular squat. So quoting a number is pretty meaningless. Coach, how much would you be able to do with this type of style?
What does you kid deadlift? Regular deadlift, not the special bar you use that's more like a squat. That would say more about his strength. I'm going to make a wild guess and say he does not do regular deadlifts, you can do so much more with that special dead-squat bar. :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/921/Male/m/921_1.jpg)
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The thing is that it's hard to say if this poundage is any good or not because this type of box squat can in no way be compared to a regular full squat. Coach posted some of their box squatting a long time ago and you can probably do about double compared to a full regular squat. So quoting a number is pretty meaningless. Coach, how much would you be able to do with this type of style?
What does you kid deadlift? Regular deadlift, not the special bar you use that's more like a squat. That would say more about his strength. I'm going to make a wild guess and say he does not do regular deadlifts, you can do so much more with that special dead-squat bar. :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/921/Male/m/921_1.jpg)
Again, we train to a different modality. We are sport specific. I stated the reasons why we box squat a million times. You asked what I did. My last heavy box squat was my 90% and that was 505. As far as deads, we pull three ways, pin pulls (mostly knee dominant) from the floor and trap bar. We normally don't pull for 1rm. We go 3-5 reps. His pin pulls are around 405 x 3, from the floor around 385x 3 and trap he's at about 415 x 3. (standard trap bar is 55lbs) with athletes I limit the straight bar time due to the possibly of Bicep tendon injury.
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Why is everyone opposed to box squats?
I think some are put off by box squats because for awhile they were made out to be the holy grail, now that raw lifting has really taken off and records are being broken left and right we see that almost none of the good raw lifters use box squats. Also there are just so many cooler, less pussified version of the squat such as pause squats, front squats, band squats, pin squats etc to really bother much with box squats. If your posterior chain needs specific work deadlift variations, back raises, good mornings, glute-ham raises etc all a better option imo.
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Again, we train to a different modality. We are sport specific. I stated the reasons why we box squat a million times. You asked what I did. My last heavy box squat was my 90% and that was 505. As far as deads, we pull three ways, pin pulls (mostly knee dominant) from the floor and trap bar. We normally don't pull for 1rm. We go 3-5 reps. His pin pulls are around 405 x 3, from the floor around 385x 3 and trap he's at about 415 x 3. (standard trap bar is 55lbs) with athletes I limit the straight bar time due to the possibly of Bicep tendon injury.
Alright, I can believe those poundages. 8)
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I think some are put off by box squats because for awhile they were made out to be the holy grail, now that raw lifting has really taken off and records are being broken left and right we see that almost none of the good raw lifters use box squats. Also there are just so many cooler, less pussified version of the squat such as pause squats, front squats, band squats, pin squats etc to really bother much with box squats. If your posterior chain needs specific work deadlift variations, back raises, good mornings, glute-ham raises etc all a better option imo.
We do deadlift, GHR's,etc speed days we use chain and bands using wave periodization each week. Vary the lifts, etc example would be on me upper, one week, regular bench, one week floor, one week board, one week reverse band bench although not so much because it's a pain in the ass to set up.
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Yeah, sounds like you follow a Westside/conjugate template, I have quite a bit of experience with that sort of programming myself. I prefer to set up my own training using more of a Block periodization scheme however.
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why are the bars bending with such light weight?
The bar in the first pic is bent from years of having heavy weights left on it, it took a perma set. It was more common when you had narrow benches, allowing for more droop on the ends of the bar. You'll sometimes see it if a bar is dropped across a bench too, but that is less common. Usually when this happened, the bars became a makeshift cambered bar for squatting. When they are bent like that, it allows for longer hand placement which some squatters like.
The second pic is Pisarenko, who in addition to having an awesome stache, was one of the closest men to a #600 Clean and Jerk -
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In that case, the bar is showing a somewhat extreme bend in relation to weight because it's being done on a proper weightlifting bar, than say a general purpose or powerlifting bar. They are generally left more springy than the latter two.
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Gym owners like the coach are dangerous. Why would anyone encourage a 17 year old to use that much weight? That can't be justified to me.
Do full squats like Tom Platz recommends and forget about all that other crap with boxes and chains. There is absolutely no need to do
a squat for a single. I shake my head at some of the silly things done in gyms.
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Gym owners like the coach are dangerous. Why would anyone encourage a 17 year old to use that much weight? That can't be justified to me.
Do full squats like Tom Platz recommends and forget about all that other crap with boxes and chains. There is absolutely no need to do
a squat for a single. I shake my head at some of the silly things done in gyms.
Were you born with a vagina or did that come later?
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Not only are you irresponsible you are also quite a nasty person. Congratulations.
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Do full squats like Tom Platz recommends and forget about all that other crap with boxes and chains. There is absolutely no need to do
a squat for a single. I shake my head at some of the silly things done in gyms.[/color]
So, for a complex group of larger muscles like the legs, you want simplicity.
But for a smaller show muscle like biceps, however, you need to engage NASA to build equipment to train it properly?
Either way, Vince, Platz was squatting for development, not athletic performance.
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What does you kid deadlift? Regular deadlift, not the special bar you use that's more like a squat. That would say more about his strength.
VB, always like your posts. But here, it only says "more" about his strength because you're bench marking it against a standard that your familiar with. If you're a trainer who is familiar with the hex bar, you'd be able to interpret what poundages used by that method mean in terms of measuring strength.
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So, for a complex group of larger muscles like the legs, you want simplicity.
But for a smaller show muscle like biceps, however, you need to engage NASA to build equipment to train it properly?
Either way, Vince, Platz was squatting for development, not athletic performance.
I have never been impressed with strength coaches or athletic coaches re their knowledge about training. A lot of incompetent people out there.
There are a lot of ways to train biceps but only a few that are effective once you get over a certain size. I doubt NASA could have designed
my machine. Different technology.
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I have never been impressed with strength coaches or athletic coaches re their knowledge about training. A lot of incompetent people out there.
There are a lot of ways to train biceps but only a few that are effective once you get over a certain size. I doubt NASA could have designed
my machine. Different technology.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but to suggest to some one who trains professional athletes for strength and speed that his clients would be better off training like a steroid fueled bodybuilder from the 80s is just plain silly.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but to suggest to some one who trains professional athletes for strength and speed that his clients would be better off training like a steroid fueled bodybuilder from the 80s is just plain silly.
I stand by what I wrote. Athletes should never train with really heavy singles, period. That is demonstrating and not building strength. I could care less if that is what a lot of people do.
Have a look at the old guys in the game. Many have broken bodies. Who needs that?
Coach always criticizes whatever I write about training and I so dislike ignorant people who don't know how to have an intellectual discussion.
He is damaging his athletes, not helping them. Sooner or later they will get injuries and those are not necessary at all. It is reprehensible to do that to family members.
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I actually agree with Basile to an extent on this one.
Is it necessary for a 17 year to do box squats with near 500lbs? Is it really improving his athletic performance anymore than just regular ATG squats with 3/5ths of that weight would? I’m not sure.
I can understand that it’s occasionally good for an athlete to go heavy as it gets them familiar with the bigger loads among other reasons but I think the kid could wait a few more years before he starts doing it.
At the moment, it just seems like a way to massage the kid’s ego if anything.
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I actually agree with Basile to an extent on this one.
Is it necessary for a 17 year to do box squats with near 500lbs? Is it really improving his athletic performance anymore than just regular ATG squats with 3/5ths of that weight would? I’m not sure.
I can understand that it’s occasionally good for an athlete to go heavy as it gets them familiar with the bigger loads among other reasons but I think the kid could wait a few more years before he starts doing it.
At the moment, it just seems like a way to massage the kid’s ego if anything.
Yeah, there is part of me that goes "you know, why not stay in a nice double or triple range for safety's sake". But then on the flip side, kids are going to test one rep maxes no matter what you do, so I would rather them do it in safe and structured manner, rather than just sneaking around, and going for them.
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Gym owners like the coach are dangerous. Why would anyone encourage a 17 year old to use that much weight? That can't be justified to me.
Do full squats like Tom Platz recommends and forget about all that other crap with boxes and chains. There is absolutely no need to do
a squat for a single. I shake my head at some of the silly things done in gyms.
Outed for knowing jack shit about strength training.
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Yeah, there is part of me that goes "you know, why not stay in a nice double or triple range for safety's sake". But then on the flip side, kids are going to test one rep maxes no matter what you do, so I would rather them do it in safe and structured manner, rather than just sneaking around, and going for them.
Good point but this is the thing for me, most of these kids who do ego lifting don’t have any guidance so assume what they are doing is safe, or at least aren’t thinking about the hazards.
However, considering these kids that are being trained by Joe they have the luxury of an experienced mentor helping them, he should be warning them the dangers of lifting beyond their capabilities.
You seem like a knowledgeable dude. Do you think doing a 500lb box squat is significantly more beneficial towards athletic performance than doing a few controlled ATG squats with 315lbs? Bear in mind we aren’t talking about advanced lifters but inexperienced teens.
I actually get the idea that Coach encourages the heavy lifting more because he enjoys the whole “macho” image that lifting big amounts of weight has rather than seeing any real advantage in it. :D
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Good point but this is the thing for me, most of these kids who do ego lifting don’t have any guidance so assume what they are doing is safe, or at least aren’t thinking about the hazards.
However, considering these kids that are being trained by Joe they have the luxury of an experienced mentor helping them, he should be warning them the dangers of lifting beyond their capabilities.
You seem like a knowledgeable dude. Do you think doing a 500lb box squat is significantly more beneficial towards athletic performance than doing a few controlled ATG squats with 315lbs? Bear in mind we aren’t talking about advanced lifters but inexperienced teens.
I actually get the idea that Coach encourages the heavy lifting more because he enjoys the whole “macho” image that lifting big amounts of weight has rather than seeing any real advantage in it. :D
His son has been progressing up to this. He's posted video of the progression, so it's all being done safely and controlled.
Also, why do you think controlled 315 ATG is safer than a controlled 480 lb box?
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Again, feel free to come train with on either a max lower or upper. You seem to be avoiding this invite. I've had several solid getbiggers in to train. Check that. You're invited to come in for the entire week.
I don't liv anywhere near Huntington Beach
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Actually you just posted that you did 315 x 31. Even 315 x 15 would put you at around a 515 1RM. 31 would be like what? Close to 700-750 or more?
Yes, I did post that. Something done long ago when there were no cell phones much less cell phone cameras I a gym. But I didn't post any video making a claim no one can see.
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Here Ya go. I'm not good at technology so it takes me awhile to figure this stuff out. He's in the concentric in this capture. And BTW, no. The spotter isn't helping what so ever. Even though we have 3 spotters and safety bars I require that the spotters stay close. These are still kids.
Okay, this pic is what I wanted. It is enough for me to say I was a dumbass. I apologize, I was wrong. This is deep enough for me to say legit.
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Not only are you irresponsible you are also quite a nasty person. Congratulations.
Vince I get nasty with you because you do the exact same thing in your little condescending way because as you put it "my word is Gold" which is about as pompous as you can get. You're not nearly the most knowledgeable on here and neither am I but I'm VERY VERY well read so if I post something on here training wise I make sure I'm not talking out of my ass. That being said, pay attention to my rebuttal posts.
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His son has been progressing up to this. He's posted video of the progression, so it's all being done safely and controlled.
Fair enough. I wasn't sure since this was the first I had seen.
Also, why do you think controlled 315 ATG is safer than a controlled 480 lb box?
Pushing a max weight is always going to be more hazardous than pushing weight that you can manage for a few reps. Form tends to worsen as the weight increases.
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So how many ex wives has your kid racked up so far? Keeping pace with dad ;D
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Actually you just posted that you did 315 x 31. Even 315 x 15 would put you at around a 515 1RM. 31 would be like what? Close to 700-750 or more?
I've hit 315x15 below parallel with no belt. best squat is 475 with belt. so it varies.
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Good point but this is the thing for me, most of these kids who do ego lifting don’t have any guidance so assume what they are doing is safe, or at least aren’t thinking about the hazards.
However, considering these kids that are being trained by Joe they have the luxury of an experienced mentor helping them, he should be warning them the dangers of lifting beyond their capabilities.
You seem like a knowledgeable dude. Do you think doing a 500lb box squat is significantly more beneficial towards athletic performance than doing a few controlled ATG squats with 315lbs? Bear in mind we aren’t talking about advanced lifters but inexperienced teens.
I actually get the idea that Coach encourages the heavy lifting more because he enjoys the whole “macho” image that lifting big amounts of weight has rather than seeing any real advantage in it. :D
One thing we don't encourage is ego lifts. This is how athletes and people in general get injured. Like I said in past posts, I love the box squat for various reasons but the main reason is posterior chain development and power and this is why absolute strength is HUGE in my programs. That being said we about mid-May we raise our power rep-range from 3-1 to 5-3 and drop the percentages to 75-90%. We never have our athletes or anyone for that matter do anything if their head isn't into it that day. When a football season ends usually in November pending playoffs, they usually take a few weeks off from doing nothing. When they get back, we begin our accumulation phase for 4 weeks then we start right into our conguate systems. Inexperienced and incoming freshmen that have never lifted begin with bodyweight training and especially no loads on the spine, if a load is used we will goblet squat and learn to box squat. This teaches proper depth and form as they work into loads and proper squat technique when they have to go into a school with some dumb ass coach that overloads the kid with a weight he's not capable of handling then accepts anything as a "squat".
The kids that lift heavier have been with me for at least a couple of years. My son has been training since he was 6-7 using mostly bodyweight until he was 10 and slowly progressed into loads. Never an injury. The key is developing joint integrity and stability. As far translating to athletic performance? Absolutely! 1. Speed starts in the gym by training power and power is always translates to the field. Forced application (foot contact to the ground) is speed, the stronger the athlete the more power to the run (see Marshawn Lynch). But developing great power and strength is essential for another reason.
If I have a 160lbs HS running back running up the middle into a line that averages 270-280lbs his only real line of defense (if the O-line can't protect) is going to be his power and the ability to take a hit. It helps protect against a collision injury and absorb the hit.
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half reps of peace
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I have never been impressed with strength coaches or athletic coaches re their knowledge about training. A lot of incompetent people out there.
There are a lot of ways to train biceps but only a few that are effective once you get over a certain size. I doubt NASA could have designed
my machine. Different technology.
I've got news for you Vince. More and more bodybuilders are incorporating actual athletic strength exercises into their programs. Why? Because good strength coaches (especially at the pro and University level) actually research. It's applying the science to the training with actual data to back it.
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One thing we don't encourage is ego lifts. This is how athletes and people in general get injured. Like I said in past posts, I love the box squat for various reasons but the main reason is posterior chain development and power and this is why absolute strength is HUGE in my programs. That being said we about mid-May we raise our power rep-range from 3-1 to 5-3 and drop the percentages to 75-90%. We never have our athletes or anyone for that matter do anything if their head isn't into it that day. When a football season ends usually in November pending playoffs, they usually take a few weeks off from doing nothing. When they get back, we begin our accumulation phase for 4 weeks then we start right into our conguate systems. Inexperienced and incoming freshmen that have never lifted begin with bodyweight training and especially no loads on the spine, if a load is used we will goblet squat and learn to box squat. This teaches proper depth and form as they work into loads and proper squat technique when they have to go into a school with some dumb ass coach that overloads the kid with a weight he's not capable of handling then accepts anything as a "squat".
The kids that lift heavier have been with me for at least a couple of years. My son has been training since he was 6-7 using mostly bodyweight until he was 10 and slowly progressed into loads. Never an injury. The key is developing joint integrity and stability. As far translating to athletic performance? Absolutely! 1. Speed starts in the gym by training power and power is always translates to the field. Forced application (foot contact to the ground) is speed, the stronger the athlete the more power to the run (see Marshawn Lynch). But developing great power and strength is essential for another reason.
If I have a 160lbs HS running back running up the middle into a line that averages 270-280lbs his only real line of defense (if the O-line can't protect) is going to be his power and the ability to take a hit. It helps protect against a collision injury and absorb the hit.
Thanks for the response. Makes sense.
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What about hits to the head? Any concern about that
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What about hits to the head? Any concern about that
Always include neck in our training. At least twice a week. In two weeks I'm doing a manual neck clinic for athletes and coaches.
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VB, always like your posts. But here, it only says "more" about his strength because you're bench marking it against a standard that your familiar with. If you're a trainer who is familiar with the hex bar, you'd be able to interpret what poundages used by that method mean in terms of measuring strength.
Well you're right. Still I kind of feel like the hex bar, just like the box squat, is a way for some
to inflate their numbers. It's a deadlift yet it isn't.
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Well you're right. Still I kind of feel like the hex bar, just like the box squat, is a way for some
to inflate their numbers. It's a deadlift yet it isn't.
I get that angle too. I look at box/hex as ways to improve/compliment traditional lifts, not replace.
BUT, I do feel that the hex is a lot safer, and the more I think about it, maybe should replace the DL (outside of competitive powerlifting, of course).
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Well you're right. Still I kind of feel like the hex bar, just like the box squat, is a way for some
to inflate their numbers. It's a deadlift yet it isn't.
feel the same way about sumo pullers, that's not a deadlift
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feel the same way about sumo pullers, that's not a deadlift
i would say box squatting is more like Rack Pin Deadlifts
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i would say box squatting is more like Rack Pin Deadlifts
Don't rack pin DLs just shorten the range of motion? That's not what Box squats do.
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Don't rack pin DLs just shorten the range of motion? That's not what Box squats do.
No
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No
Then is the rack pin the DL equivalent of the box squat?
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Don't rack pin DLs just shorten the range of motion? That's not what Box squats do.
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Then is the rack pin the DL equivalent of the box squat?
Yes, imo.
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Well you're right. Still I kind of feel like the hex bar, just like the box squat, is a way for some
to inflate their numbers. It's a deadlift yet it isn't.
Specifically for us we use the trap bar as a performance tool and not as a replacement for a straight bar in most cases and at different times depending on what phase we're in. Example, the trap bar dead is considered a knee dominant lift used mostly for athletes in skill positions (RB, DB/Safety, Wide Receiver, QB) as well as baseball, basketball and most other sports that require staying the "athletic" stance. These are the athletes that explode out of their first step in an athletic stance while the straight bar would be more hip dominant used mostly for athletes such as linebackers, lineman, etc. These athletes start their first step usually in the three point stance, lower to the ground. make sense?
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Touch and go ^^^ we don't do that. We sit back on the box placing the shin angle behind the toes. "Touch and go" IMO is used more for lifters that can't gauge depth.
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God damn it! I still can't find the working video of the young man hitting 480! >:(
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Touch and go ^^^ we don't do that. We sit back on the box placing the shin angle behind the toes. "Touch and go" IMO is used more for lifters that can't gauge depth.
Thanks, that's what I was getting at.
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Personally I think this turned into a decent training thread. Makes everyone think...I think.
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Personally I think this turned into a decent training thread. Makes everyone think...I think.
I'll have it moved to the training board.....
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I'll have it moved to the training board.....
Nooooooo...it'll get buried. Wait, we have a training board? lol
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feel the same way about sumo pullers, that's not a deadlift
yeah, except no as most records are conventional and even equipped sumo pullers struggle to come close to the top raw conventional pullers
did someone really say they squatted 315 for 31 earlier in the thread? I guess the vid of that will be as elusive as coaches vid of his son squatting 480 :-\
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Nooooooo...it'll get buried. Wait, we have a training board? lol
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yeah, except no as most records are conventional and even equipped sumo pullers struggle to come close to the top raw conventional pullers
did someone really say they squatted 315 for 31 earlier in the thread? I guess the vid of that will be as elusive as coaches vid of his son squatting 480 :-\
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*sigh
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yeah, except no as most records are conventional and even equipped sumo pullers struggle to come close to the top raw conventional pullers
did someone really say they squatted 315 for 31 earlier in the thread? I guess the vid of that will be as elusive as coaches vid of his son squatting 480 :-\
I said it in the other thread about hardest workout ever. Right after someone else said he had done 32. There were no cell phone cameras or even cell phones back then. Only one witness I could call.
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I get that angle too. I look at box/hex as ways to improve/compliment traditional lifts, not replace.
BUT, I do feel that the hex is a lot safer, and the more I think about it, maybe should replace the DL (outside of competitive powerlifting, of course).
Hex may be safer but it's a completely different lift. Hex becomes more of a squat, less hamstrings and lower back. But if it helps your sport then go right ahead. The poundages aren't transferable to the regular deadlift.
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feel the same way about sumo pullers, that's not a deadlift
Yeah, I even know an elite powerlifter who only sumos in comps who says sumos aren't a "real" deadlift.
He says regular deadlifts says more about someones overall strength when unequipped.
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yeah, except no as most records are conventional and even equipped sumo pullers struggle to come close to the top raw conventional pullers
did someone really say they squatted 315 for 31 earlier in the thread? I guess the vid of that will be as elusive as coaches vid of his son squatting 480 :-\
When I read this, I was like, I don't recall mentioning how many reps I've done with 315. MY best ever with three plates is 31, as well. Strange. There's a video of me doing 25 on YouTube but that obviously isn't my best ... as, as I say, I've done 31. On the day I did the 25, me and a buddy had driven down from Toronto to Akron to visit some friends and have some fun lifting at my old training place, Bodybuilders (shout out to Pep and the crew!). The 25 was done after benching. I hit two sets of 10 with 315 and then did a touch-and-go with 405. Then we squatted. And THEN I deadlifted. It was frigging hot that day, too.
Fun times, all around.
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I hit 315 for 30reps myself , maybe 8 years ago I was 28 at them time probably, 405 for 10, and 500 for 2
I never pushed it because I never used a spotter and my gym only had these squat racks
Oh and ass to grass squats, I was more impressed with myself hitting 500lbs, no belt, no knee wraps
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I hit 315 for 30reps myself , maybe 8 years ago I was 28 at them time probably, 405 for 10, and 500 for 2
I never pushed it because I never used a spotter and my gym only had these squat racks
Oh and ass to grass squats, I was more impressed with myself hitting 500lbs, no belt, no knee wraps
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Nice lifting, man. I know first-hand the psych focus it takes to go for big reps with a heavy weight.
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Nice lifting, man. I know first-hand the psych focus it takes to go for big reps with a heavy weight.
Last year I was training to dead lift over 600lbs I got to 555 didnt property warm up trying to hit 560 and blew my lower back out for 3days LMFAO, I quit after that
I try my best to just go in and hit the weights with moderate weight but the challenge of lifting heavy always takes over
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Last year I was training to dead lift over 600lbs I got to 555 didnt property warm up trying to hit 560 and blew my lower back out for 3days LMFAO, I quit after that
I try my best to just go in and hit the weights with moderate weight but the challenge of lifting heavy always takes over
That sucks. But getting injured is just a part of the game. Ed Coan once told me the trick to building great strength is the ability to avoid CATASTROPHIC injury.
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I can't deadlift worth a shit.
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Is there or IS THERE NOT a video of anyone lifting 480?
Oh by the way, squatting 315 x 31 reps? I remember High School. It was very fun.
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I can't deadlift worth a shit.
My benching is embarrassing, the most I ever hit was 305lbs,
Almost always worked with 185 maybe 225 on strong days between 6-8 reps
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when the lift ratios are all out and the numbers seem ridiculous I'm going to go ahead and assume most of these squats are 6 inch ''power bobs''
im sure videos will be along eventually
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even when I was squatting 605 raw I wouldn't have been able to do 315 for 31 ass to ground reps, and I was deadlifting a shit ton more than 600 at that strength & benching 455 with a busted shoulder
I'll go first and post a video of how much I was box squatting to be a 605 raw parallel squatter
the tren back in high school must have been good stuff
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when the lift ratios are all out and the numbers seem ridiculous I'm going to go ahead and assume most of these squats are 6 inch ''power bobs''
im sure videos will be along eventually
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even when I was squatting 605 raw I wouldn't have been able to do 315 for 31 ass to ground reps, and I was deadlifting a shit ton more than 600 at that strength & benching 455 with a busted shoulder
I'll go first and post a video of how much I was box squatting to be a 605 raw parallel squatter
the tren back in high school must have been good stuff
How tall are you and how much do you weigh?
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5'11" and 220ish, why?
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5'11" and 220ish, why?
Just wondering. You looked bigger in the video.
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had a buddy who was 185 in high school who now runs the 40 in 4.3. IF he were 6'0-6'1 instead of 5'10 he'd be in the nfl. Saw him box squat 450 on a pretty low box....but the kid couldn't even bench 315 pounds. So was he strong per say ;)
Some guys just have very high amounts of starting strength and are very explosive and can translate to certain lifts. Good old fashioned bench press is the true test of strength IMO. If a 18 year old kid can bench 300 he's fairly strong for his age. 400 he's probably in the top 5% in strength of college athletes. There are usually only a couple guys on any D! team benching 400, most of the time you can count them on one hand. Yes even at the D! level
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had a buddy who was 185 in high school who now runs the 40 in 4.3. IF he were 6'0-6'1 instead of 5'10 he'd be in the nfl. Saw him box squat 450 on a pretty low box....but the kid couldn't even bench 315 pounds. So was he strong per say ;)
Some guys just have very high amounts of starting strength and are very explosive and can translate to certain lifts. Good old fashioned bench press is the true test of strength IMO. If a 18 year old kid can bench 300 he's fairly strong for his age. 400 he's probably in the top 5% in strength of college athletes. There are usually only a couple guys on any D! team benching 400, most of the time you can count them on one hand. Yes even at the D! level
If you're buddy is running a 4.3 and in college he'd instantly get an invite to the combine and even if he wasn't someone would pick him up. That would make him one of the fastest at any pro day or nfl combine. Is this hand or laser timed?
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If you're buddy is running a 4.3 and in college he'd instantly get an invite to the combine and even if he wasn't someone would pick him up. That would make him one of the fastest at any pro day or nfl combine. Is this hand or laser timed?
4.38 laser timed, he's completely natural too. IDK why more guys aren't interested in him, lack of size is the only thing that comes to mind. He's about 5'10 180 ish
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4.38 laser timed, he's completely natural too. IDK why more guys aren't interested in him, lack of size is the only thing that comes to mind. He's about 5'10 180 ish
That Kind of speed, unless he has no hands, would be a legit WR or CB at the D1 level. They couldn't careless if what or how many times he can bench 225.
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That's great. Make sure you don't get him to hurt himself though, that wouldn't be so good.
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for anyone who missed it here's a caption from the video
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feel the same way about sumo pullers, that's not a deadlift
Agreed. There's no way it can be a harder lift (as devilesmile once claimed)
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Nice Coach, teaching the kid well.
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for anyone who missed it here's a caption from the video
(http://www.kickbacklife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/67898776655567900.jpg)
Don't hate. BTW, does Chris McCombs know you stole from his site?
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What a stud
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I'll have it moved to the training board.....
Nooooooo...it'll get buried. Wait, we have a training board? lol
yeah that would defeat the purpose which was for Joe to prop up his fragile ego by living vicariously through his kid, even it if means exposing he and his kid to ridicule
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Agreed. There's no way it can be a harder lift (as devilesmile once claimed)
It can be harder, depending on structure and if you have done the lift a lot.
But it's way less lower back, a lot like a squat for many as they are so upright the whole time.
The biggest pulls are all conventional like Mawse said but in the lower weight classes the sumo is more popular, especially in the IPF.
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yeah that would defeat the purpose which was for Joe to prop up his fragile ego by living vicariously through his kid, even it if means exposing he and his kid to ridicule
You sound like a whiny liberal bitch. Oh wait. Never mind.
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That Kind of speed, unless he has no hands, would be a legit WR or CB at the D1 level. They couldn't careless if what or how many times he can bench 225.
Track Speed, or 40 yard dash speed, doesn't necessarily translate to NFL speed. Too many examples to point out.
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Track Speed, or 40 yard dash speed, doesn't necessarily translate to NFL speed. Too many examples to point out.
Personally i think 40 times are waste except for RB's, DB's and WR's. All the rest I'm more concerned with a first step and 10, 20 splits. One of the most useless things I've seen in HS football is the coach sending players to the track coach as if starting from blocks is going to help. Football is damn near 90% COD.
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Coach of one was just looking to build size and strength of the legs what squat variation would you choose?
Are box squats where the box is used to limit depth with no emphasis on the posterior chain any good for someone whose lower back cannot take much more of full range Olympic squats?
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Coach of one was just looking to build size and strength of the legs what squat variation would you choose?
Are box squats where the box is used to limit depth with no emphasis on the posterior chain any good for someone whose lower back cannot take much more of full range Olympic squats?
1. I wouldn't use box squats for size. That would be standard back squat/front squats
2. Box squats have no emphasis on posterior chain?? It's purpose IS for posterior chain development. Unless you're trying to say other wise.
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1. I wouldn't use box squats for size. That would be standard back squat/front squats
2. Box squats have no emphasis on posterior chain?? It's purpose IS for posterior chain development. Unless you're trying to say other wise.
1. I wouldn't use box squats for size. That would be standard back squat/front squats
2. Box squats have no emphasis on posterior chain?? It's purpose IS for posterior chain development. Unless you're trying to say other wise.
I Wasn't trying to suggest otherwise, I meant by just having the box there and squatting down to it without trying to sit back and activate the posterior chain, and try and keep the emphasis on the quads.
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1. I wouldn't use box squats for size. That would be standard back squat/front squats
2. Box squats have no emphasis on posterior chain?? It's purpose IS for posterior chain development. Unless you're trying to say other wise.
development of what...your ego?
is your kid training for a powerlifting competition?
what is the point of doing a 1 rep max on anything?
btw - why do you even bring up "liberal"
what does your ego boost have to do with politics?
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I Wasn't tjavascript:void(0);rying to suggest otherwise, I meant by just having the box there and squatting down to it without trying to sit back and activate the posterior chain, and try and keep the emphasis on the quads.
Oh I see. I just use touch and go to help people gauge depth when we teach a traditional squat.
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development of what...your ego?
is your kid training for a powerlifting competition?
what is the point of doing a 1 rep max on anything?
btw - why do you even bring up "liberal"
what does your ego boost have to do with politics?
WTF are you even talking about...dolt. Where do you anything about politics in the above post?
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WTF are you even talking about...dolt. Where do you anything about politics in the above post?
scroll up to your last reply to me
jesus fuck you are stupid
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development of what...your ego?
is your kid trjavascript:void(0);aining for a powerlifting competition?
what is the point of doing a 1 rep max on anything?
btw - why do you even bring up "liberal"
what does your ego boost have to do with politics?
If I explained you wouldn't understand anyway.
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Oh I see. I just use touch and go to help people gauge depth when we teach a traditional squat.
Yes that's what I was thinking lower back cannot take Olympic squats any more and years of going rock bottom I now find it impossible to stop at parallel now once past warm up sets abs thought a box at parallel just as a depth gauge may be an acceptable alternative to the regular squat for a bloke with no athletic goal other than building size and strength in the quads
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scroll up to your last reply to me
jesus fuck you are stupid
I haven't posted in this thread in like 2 days. I couldn't give a shit what you said or how I replied to it. Go away, troll. This is a training thread. if you want to learn something about training just shut the fuck up and pay attention. Unless you're doing the Obama workout and Mooshell eating plan.
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I haven't posted in this thread in like 2 days. I couldn't give a shit what you said or how I replied to it. Go away, troll. This is a training thread. if you want to learn something about training just shut the fuck up and pay attention. Unless you're doing the Obama workout and Mooshell eating plan.
Stop referring to politics.
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Yes that's what I was thinking lower back cannot take Olympic squats any more and years of going rock bottom I now find it impossible to stop at parallel now once past warm up sets abs thought a box at parallel just as a depth gauge may be an acceptable alternative to the regular squat for a bloke with no athletic goal other than building size and strength in the quads
One thing to remember is that Olympic lifters and Power lifters protect their low backs by doing a ton of posterior accessory lifts.
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One thing to remember is that Olympic lifters and Power lifters protect their low backs by doing a ton of posterior accessory lifts.
Good point, I always assumed deadlifts had that covered
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If I explained you wouldn't understand anyway.
get over yourself and explain it
stop kidding yourself that this is something that's hard to understand (then again, I am aware that many many things are in fact hard for you to understand)
you couldn't even understand my first post on this thread
Coach can't even master the task of embedding a youtube video so I'm sure actually creating one is well beyond his capability.
Joe - why did you post this video. Are you really so desperate for attention that you'll expose your own kid to ridicule?
Awsome response genious. It's not a YouTube. But feel free to come down and train us. I promise I'll keep the weight at less 225 so it doesn't bury your fat ass.
LOL
I hope you're not his spelling coach
no shit it's not a youtube video and I never said it was
I said you were too stupid to even know how to embed a youtube video much less create one
I squat at the end of my workout (after leg extensions and leg press) and these days don't go above 275-315 but it's not some bullshit 1 rep box squat with 4 spotters
It's full squats for 10-15 reps
btw - why did you post this in the first place.
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Stop referring to politics.
Strawman is from the poli board and likes to troll me. Obviously. He has NO interest in this thread except for this. He's a troll with many gimmicks. I don't start training threads with an intention of putting a political statement. Yep, I started with straw on the poli slap because, again, his intention was to troll me. He does the same with Soul Crusher as well. He wouldn't dare take about training.
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Strawman is from the poli board and likes to troll me. Obviously. He has NO interest in this thread except for this. He's a troll with many gimmicks. I don't start training threads with an intention of putting a political statement. Yep, I started with straw on the poli slap because, again, his intention was to troll me. He does the same with Soul Crusher as well. He wouldn't dare take about training.
I'm not trolling you dipshit
my first post on this thread was a reply to someone else
I've talked about training all the time. We have a training board.
You're the one who chose to post (well attempt to post) a video of your kid and then invite people to flame him
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Strawman is from the poli board and likes to troll me. Obviously. He has NO interest in this thread except for this. He's a troll with many gimmicks. I don't start training threads with an intention of putting a political statement. Yep, I started with straw on the poli slap because, again, his intention was to troll me. He does the same with Soul Crusher as well. He wouldn't dare take about training.
ok fair one ..
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Last year I was training to dead lift over 600lbs I got to 555 didnt property warm up trying to hit 560 and blew my lower back out for 3days LMFAO, I quit after that
I try my best to just go in and hit the weights with moderate weight but the challenge of lifting heavy always takes over
wow, the exact thing happened to me with almost the exact same weight(545) gym was closing early because of a snowstorm a few weeks ago and i raced trying to get the whole workout. still scared of deadlifting
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ok fair one ..
Joe is a certified idiot
I have no gimmicks and all I've ever asked is why he posted this (or attempted to post) this video in the first place and what value is there for a 17 year old kid to be doing a 1 rep box squat.
So far, he has no answers to either one of those very simple questions
I've posted numerous times on the training board
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Joe is a certified idiot
I have no gimmicks and all I've ever asked is why he posted this (or attempted to post) this video in the first place and what value is there for a 17 year old kid to be doing a 1 rep box squat.
So far, he has no answers to either one of those very simple questions
I've posted numerous times on the training board
I don't post on the training board.
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Joe is a certified idiot
I have no gimmicks and all I've ever asked is why he posted this (or attempted to post) this video in the first place and what value is there for a 17 year old kid to be doing a 1 rep box squat.
So far, he has no answers to either one of those very simple questions
I've posted numerous times on the training board
I'm going to legitimately answer your question even though I answered this very question in an earlier thread. At different times during pre-season training we work to a 1RM to develop as much absolute strength and power as possible then as the season gets closer we up the rep range to 3-5 and decrease the percentage of the loads. And once again from a training standpoint, this help reduce the risk of on field collision injuries but increase the athletes first step by being more explosive (I gave the example of forced application or power). The other reason is that scouts and coaches that have athletes entering college level want to see indicator numbers such as 1RM in the bench, squat and power clean. Most college S&C coaches will take box squat numbers simply because box squats are becoming more acceptable, but we give both traditional squat numbers as well.
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One thing to remember is that Olympic lifters and Power lifters protect their low backs by doing a ton of posterior accessory lifts.
Strengthening your core will do more to save your back than anything to do with the posterior chain.
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Strengthening your core will do more to save your back than anything to do with the posterior chain.
tons of core work for sure
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Joe is a certified idiot
I have no gimmicks and all I've ever asked is why he posted this (or attempted to post) this video in the first place and what value is there for a 17 year old kid to be doing a 1 rep box squat.
So far, he has no answers to either one of those very simple questions
I've posted numerous times on the training board
nothing against you or him.
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I'm going to legitimately answer your question even though I answered this very question in an earlier thread. At different times during pre-season training we work to a 1RM to develop as much absolute strength and power as possible then as the season gets closer we up the rep range to 3-5 and decrease the percentage of the loads. And once again from a training standpoint, this help reduce the risk of on field collision injuries but increase the athletes first step by being more explosive (I gave the example of forced application or power). The other reason is that scouts and coaches that have athletes entering college level want to see indicator numbers such as 1RM in the bench, squat and power clean. Most college S&C coaches will take box squat numbers simply because box squats are becoming more acceptable, but we give both traditional squat numbers as well.
was that so hard
jeez, you can't even remember responses in this thread yet you expect me to remember something you wrote in another thread?
in the highlighted sentence above are you saying that backing off to 3-5 rep sets reduces the risk of on field collision injuries but also increases first step being more explosive or are you referring to the one rep max as doing that?
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nothing against you or him.
no worries
I have no gimmick accounts so it bugs me when someone like Coach claims I have one much less "many"
makes me wonder how many he has. I remember JoeLoco, Mr Intensone and I'm probably missing a few
I also don't understand this need these days to video tape every god damned this and post it to the internet
My gym is full of kids taping every lift (or attempted lift). It would be one thing if they were doing it evaluate their form or technique but I suspect most are just posted to facebook or other sites.
Usually it's young kids who do this kind of thing
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was that so hard
jeez, you can't even remember responses in this thread yet you expect me to remember something you wrote in another thread?
in the highlighted sentence above are you saying that backing off to 3-5 rep sets reduces the risk of on field collision injuries but also increases first step being more explosive or are you referring to the one rep max as doing that?
Just the development of power in general. We decrease the loads because at that point when they're getting into pre-season field work, in our gym less. No reason to go 100% or greater at that point.
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Just the development of power in general. We decrease the loads because at that point they're getting into pre-season field work, in our gym less. No reason to go 100% or greater at that point.
so backing off to 3-5 makes them less explosive or more explosive
you wrote it makes them more explosive but also reduces the risk of collision injury
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no worries
I have no gimmick accounts so it bugs me when someone like Coach claims I have one much less "many"
makes me wonder how many he has. I remember JoeLoco, Mr Intensone and I'm probably missing a few
I also don't understand this need these days to video tape every god damned this and post it to the internet
My gym is full of kids taping every lift (or attempted lift). It would be one thing if they were doing it evaluate their form or technique but I suspect most are just posted to facebook or other sites.
Usually it's young kids who do this kind of thing
We video for three reasons. To evaluate, to post on social media and to distribute to coaches. We also use an app called "Coaches Eye" to help evaluate mechanics, not on everyone but for those who have trouble getting it right.
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It can be harder, depending on structure and if you have done the lift a lot.
But it's way less lower back, a lot like a squat for many as they are so upright the whole time.
The biggest pulls are all conventional like Mawse said but in the lower weight classes the sumo is more popular, especially in the IPF.
And the further you spread the legs the less distance the bar has to travel to reach a lockout...