Gimmick entrance of the year.
For my edification I was re-reading your post history the other week and all of your posts had blue stars. I guess Admin took it personally that you didn't care enough to log in so he removed them. :(
Oh well. Spilt milk. You still hiking and clicking? What new photos you got to show off, V?
I never got the blue stars. What I did for a while was put blue stars in my avatar.
I am still taking photos and occasionally climbing hills with a heavy back pack of lenses.
I finished modifying my biceps supinator and it works better than ever. More user friendly and fewer adjustments. I installed it in my gym at Melrose Park in Sydney. We had to move again as they tore down the building.
Congrats on hitting 10K
I deserve Blue Stars.
That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.
I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.
I'm not sure this is Vince
He would not make fun out a show he competed in/won.
Gimmick entrance of the year.
Why not, I was the only guy from North Vancouver so who did I beat?
are you still white knighting Karen ?
Maybe he took booty on a trip to mexico
VERY un-vince like post.
Pic of upside down cup on supinator machine please.
With a kangaroo
The flotsam in here needs a clearing, vince
LOL. As if I have to prove who I am to Grape Apes!
New, smaller gym. Have another room for cardio machines and also upstairs there is a light training area plus a stretching area. Coach would be jealous.
Guess what machine this is?
LOL. As if I have to prove who I am to Grape Apes!
New, smaller gym. Have another room for cardio machines and also upstairs there is a light training area plus a stretching area. Coach would be jealous.
A flotsam supplinator?Good guess
Vince is 75yo. He doesnt lift anymore slick.
Dear Vincent,
'Starry, Starry night
Paint your palette blue and grey
Look out on a summer's day
With eyes that know the
Darkness in my soul.'
As an elected member of the Blue Stars Council (BSC), I want you to know that I understand the pain you are going through, and we have spent a significant amount of time in the 'competitors' thread (members only) assiduously deliberating over your request for the coveted award. However, we regret to inform you that we have decided to uphold the decision to deny you blue stars on the basis that you simply do not deserve them. Your physique just didn't 'cut the mustard', so to speak. We understand that you will no doubt be disappointed to hear this, but for what it's worth I have successfully fought to have you awarded the stars posthumously. I hope you find peace in knowing this. You will have your blue stars in the very near future, and we will celebrate for you in your absence.
For my edification I was re-reading your post history the other week and all of your posts had blue stars. I guess Admin took it personally that you didn't care enough to log in so he removed them. :(
Oh well. Spilt milk.
I deserve Blue Stars.
That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.
I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.
Its now Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HHP, You will stand for it and like it. Honestly, I'm surprised that you're not gloating that my company went out of business last year. But welcome back. ;D
All that bullshitting about your successful businesses. You well know that success in business isn't easy and also difficult to sustain.
I think 15 years is a good run in selling supplements and exercise equipment online. Can't control what happens to vendors. Besides, my medical equipment business is still making money and I have blue stars so it doesn't matter
Good for you, Melvin. You forget that I campaigned for your Blue Stars. They don't interest me because I won contests. I don't need things in my avatar to make me feel good. Fun shit stirring others, though!
Good for you, Melvin. You forget that I campaigned for your Blue Stars. They don't interest me because I won contests. I don't need things in my avatar to make me feel good. Fun shit stirring others, though!
Well written but clearly missing the point. Ron stated that he wouldn't give me blue stars because I competed too long ago. This is patent age discrimination and an ugly travesty to all participants of this forum.
Its not the trophy you want....its the acknowledgement that you were a bodybuilding competitor that you crave....a confirmation of your career. You know you want those blue stars or you wouldn't have created this thread.
This is a contest that you can't select your judges for.... ;D
That's a lame excuse IF that's the only reason.
If only Derek Anthony thought the same...
No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob. If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
shut your fucking mouth you worthless sack of shit-your stars should be removed
No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob. If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob. If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
Guess what machine this is?:o :o :o :o
I deserve Blue Stars.
That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.
I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.
I think 15 years is a good run in selling supplements and exercise equipment online. Can't control what happens to vendors. Besides, my medical equipment business is still making money and I have blue stars so it doesn't matter
:o :o :o :oGreat, great movie.
It's not really Vince, but it is a valiant effort.
LOL. And you are Dave who? What you?
The next guy who modifies a photo to embarrass or humiliate me is a dead man!
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black
No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob. If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black
Interesting how Vince and another account both reappear on the same day. :D
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black
LOL. And you are Dave who? What you?
The next guy who modifies a photo to embarrass or humiliate me is a dead man!
written by ironmeister and FitnessFrenzy.
One night, after a few too many glasses of cheap red wine from Aldi, Basile decides to test out his new biceps supinator exo-skeleton suit, which is a machine he has nicknamed "Mona".
As Basile painfully gets up from his dirty kitchen chair, he takes a screw wrench in his shaking hand and slowly walks into the living room. On the dusty shelf stands a replica of the Sandow statue and some wrinkled, wet magazines with men of an erotic nature. It is good that Getbig never asks about a love life or a wife … "only gay, if you want it to be" he thinks to himself.
Further into the living room, he sees the machine that he has been working on for so long. Mona, the machine, looks magnificent. There are blue stars on the side of the machine, which he has carved out from lapis lazuli.
Still a little drunk from the cheap red wine, Basile sits down into the heavily modified biceps supinator, which is now more like a real powered exoskeleton. As he slowly sits down into the machine, a visor folds down onto his face. As Mona starts up, Basile starts the voice command. "Load Getbig, Gossip & Opinions", he tells Mona. Wearing the exoskeleton, Basile looks like a kind of old rusty terminator.
As Getbig is starting up on Basile's LCD head visor, Mona says to him: "Master, there is an incoming call". "Who is it from, Basile says?". Mona replies. "I can't see, but the call is from Regina, Saskatchewan". Basile then says: "notify the Canadian police". Fucking Avesher, he says to himself.
When Getbig finally loads, Basile posts in a few shitty threads as usual and desperately tries to prove once again his long ago forgotten achievements in the bodybuilding scene.
Mona then comes with a warning: "Master, ironmeister is now online". "Launch a few gimmick attacks at this vile scum", Basile says nervously.
After bashing Goodrum and being owned by a few tiny tits on Getbig, Basile stands up in the exoskeleton suit, which has powered hydraulics to help him move around. He then exits his house and tells Mona to prepare the jet thrusts. As the thrust begins to fire up, Basile flies up in the skies like Iron Man. As he flies over Manly beach, he is reminded of the apartment, he once had, that he should never have sold. Arnold's dried up cum is still hidden somewhere in that apartment.
Suddenly, the thrusters break down and Basile realizes that he only has a few seconds left to live. Grasping his 15.1 inch chubby arm, he visualizes for the last time the moment he measured the mighty guns of the oak…then he hit's Sydney's hard asphalt and feels his dentures going through his brain…then all turns black.
"Flotsam and jetsam", "wake up, Vince" a soft voice sounds in the utter blackness. Basile opens his heavy eyes and looks into a white room without walls. A man in a bunny suit is sitting in front of him…"welcome to heaven son", Jesus says. Basile rubs his eyes in amazement and says "is Nasser here?, is Oliva already here?" Bunny Jesus smiles and does not answer. He points his finger towards a white house and a garden situated in the horizon.
After a long walk Basile finally reaches the beautiful house and knocks on the door. The door opens and Ron smiles at him…"Welcome Basile, I have something for you". He turns and walks to the table in the center of the room…Basile follows him until suddenly he stops and freezes in awe.
Blue shiny stars are standing on the table…"a lifetime award for the oldest Getbigger". Basile takes a big breath and shakes his head " finally after all those years"…a tear is sliding down his cheek.
I'm just a concerned getbig citizen.
You could prove me wrong by posting the pic we require. But you won't find that pic Junior.
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When guys like Wiggs maintains that the earth is flat what hope is there for the Flotsam?
Take your old ass back to the crypt where whence you came moron.
Wiggstein, you really are a dumb f#$%. I shake my head that dopes like you have absolutely no shame.
Shake your sorry head and dispose of that rubbish about Christ. He didn't exist. That is what is a sham, not the shape of the earth.
I haven't met an intelligent truther yet. You believe in so much rubbish that there is now no way out and you are trapped in your
own cesspool of ignorance.
You don't matter. The end.
Mr. Basile,
I missed you very much so.
Wiggs, I will debate you anytime. I don't think you ever recovered from being dumped by a white gal. You obviously need some coaching in dealing with the opposite sex.
Interesting how Vince and another account both reappear on the same day. :D
Not at all interested. No homo!
Who else?
Mr. Basile,
Have you modified the bicep supination machine?
Dat dere fella. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile)
Dear Ron, whether Basils account has been hacked or not. Give him mine just to shut him or his gimmick up. He's like 98, give him his dying wish.....to have blue stars on Getbig.
I respect what you achieved in bodybuilding. However, on Getbig you get bagged all the time for what you believe and post.
Anyone with average intelligence should know that it is indeed me who is posting here. I don't tell anyone here to shut up. We can all
post what we like but few accept responsibility for our views like known individuals.
You entered contests and did well. If you didn't have blue stars would you cry to Ron? Hell no, they are just a gimmick here to make guys like Goodrum feel superior.
All the trophies and titles don't make anyone a real man. That takes character and having an ethical nature.
Only when it comes to politics. Not many argue training or diet with me except you when it comes to your convoluted theory on hypertrophy.
Wiggs, I will debate you anytime. I don't think you ever recovered from being dumped by a white gal. You obviously need some coaching in dealing with the opposite sex.
What a pity that Jesus didn't save you. Did you complete your training to become a nurse?
I respect what you achieved in bodybuilding. However, on Getbig you get bagged all the time for what you believe and post.
Anyone with average intelligence should know that it is indeed me who is posting here. I don't tell anyone here to shut up. We can all
post what we like but few accept responsibility for our views like known individuals.
You entered contests and did well. If you didn't have blue stars would you cry to Ron? Hell no, they are just a gimmick here to make guys likeGoodrumme feelsuperiorbutthurt.
All the trophies and titles don't make anyone a real man. That takes character and having an ethical nature.
Not at all interested. No homo!
You know folks, Goodrum really is something else. The guy is oblivious that he isn't that smart. Sometimes that helps in life.
I remember when he posted that he was the wife in his public affair. Now it is one thing to be gay on Getbig but who else would
reveal her position. The guy is a lowlife and borders on being evil. I mean, why would he try to tarnish my name by suggesting
that I am also gay and interested in young lads? If someone is gay does that mean it is an insult to be known as that?
He lashes out at me because I am a known individual whereas all the shit that he receives here goes unpunished. Onlyme and
myself tried to keep the bullshitter in check to no avail. He has sufficient intelligence to think up new ways to get noticed around here.
All his threads end up the same way so he is the board fool and fall guy.
You're free to say what you want but I won a long time ago against you as well as Onlyme. I own so much real estate in your head ;D
just because the competition basille won was rigged as he picked the judges etc
means he should maybe be given some light blue stars
sort of in recognition but also acknowledging the foul play
which cannot be ignored
Ah, the board asshole has arrived.
Basile, would you consider yourself worthy of Goodrum's "Homewrecker" aka the "Kielbasa"
very humble of you
welcome back asshole :-*
Everyone feels safe with the board sheriff here. Well done.
Meta-physical summed you up in the photo below.
Good too see you back Vince awesome work with the photos the FDB of Sergio looks incredible :o :o :o
We never had a debate about hypertrophy. You dogmatically rejected what I posted because you assumed that you were right and I was wrong.
I never did read what your theory is. Nobody here has come close to falsifying my DOMS theory. Hope this helps.
I often wonder why Ron would appoint a true knucklehead as a moderator!Brother in law Ron will always pick family over a rotton drongo like you. 8)
Basile should definitely be given blue stars, he won a national competition and tbh dbol or not, he looked well for the 70s. I have blue stars due to powerlifting comps so Vince should get hisTo be fair, I got mine for fox hunting so you have a point. I must say I am really enjoying the return of Vince. He's in his seventies but he's still standing in the pocket with all comers and throwing some heavy shots on here. Great thread.
To be fair, I got mine for fox hunting so you have a point. I must say I am really enjoying the return of Vince. He's in his seventies but he's still standing in the pocket with all comers and throwing some heavy shots on here. Great thread.
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This IronMeister's work? One of the most hilarious shops I've ever seen on GB.
Hey "vince" what about the cornutto beef you had. Was it true?
Hello Vince,
Blue Stars well deserved based on the physique you were able to accomplish, as well as your participation in the muscular hypertrophy discussions over the years , not only on this board but in depth on Bryan Haycock's HST forum. Thank you for that, Allman and all the best!
André, The Hague,Netherlands.
vince im on your side;D
i believe you should get the stars
they should just be a lighter blue
due to the cheating involved
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Give the guy his stars for Christs sake........he won a National title.
Give the guy his stars for Christs sake........he won a National title.
He's too much of an asshole, fuck this fart
Thanks, Johnny, I spent a day editing that photo. Had to get it right. That is probably the greatest bodybuilding photo ever taken.
Photo by Inge, Arthur Jones' wife.
How does one get 6 stars here?
People who haven't read the forum for long wouldn't know the history here. That photoshop of Goodrum was to celebrate the condition he showed up for the posedown with Billy Guns. The dork came with no cuts. Everyone laughed themselves silly. There was Goodrum copying all the fancy transitions from pose to pose. Too bad they didn't pose for the Olympia crowd as that would have been a hoot.
People who haven't read the forum for long wouldn't know the history here. That photoshop of Goodrum was to celebrate the condition he showed up for the posedown with Billy Guns. The dork came with no cuts. Everyone laughed themselves silly. There was Goodrum copying all the fancy transitions from pose to pose. Too bad they didn't pose for the Olympia crowd as that would have been a hoot.
Sorry, Vince Basile would never say "the dork came with no cuts".
Nope. Not in a million years.
Laugh at this fancy transition while you're at it. I'm not done competing btw.
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Who did you beat!? You are nobody so show some respect to your superiors.
Sorry, Vince Basile would never say "the dork came with no cuts".
Nope. Not in a million years.
hiding the double chin with a mobile phone, nice trick ;)
Laugh at this fancy transition while you're at it. I'm not done competing btw.
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Its not him.
vince should apologise to ron, arnold and bob chic
then he might get his stars for showing some class for once
Its not him.
Arnold fixed a contest and should have nothing to do with running bodybuilding contests.
There are some intelligent people here but you are not one of them.Lets hope your statements are as legit as you identity.
hiding the double chin with a mobile phone, nice trick ;)
That's partially true but I've always had a very thick neck . Don't forget that I was a professional wrestler at one time.
Vince, do you think your current physique would beat Basile's physique of the 70s?
There are some intelligent people here but you are not one of them.
I would destroy him. I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell. Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics. ;D
Remind us about your theories about DOMs again...
I would destroy him. I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell. Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics. ;D
The floatsam here can't appreciate a bloke out on an afternoon jaunt. Perhaps he is just looking for some young lads to partake in a spirited game of touch football? The getbig experts don't even see those tables that could be scrapped and be made into a grand lattimus dorsi contractor contraption. Perhaps that young Sheila shouldn't wear such provocative outfits if she doesn't want a mature sod with arms a hair under 18 inches to follow her into the changing area?
I would destroy him. I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell. Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics. ;D
vince is it true you came dead last in every contest other than the one where you picked the judges
What you?
Ha, you old pathetic crybitch. Ron simply doesn't like you and nothing will change that. Now go away and close the door behind you.
That's partially true but I've always had a very thick neck . Don't forget that I was a professional wrestler at one time.
You are just missing the work ethic... ;Dlĺl
vince made criminal accusations against arnold because he placed him last in a show
and has borne a grudge for fifty years
let the past go vince
and try and lose the 200lb of fat you are carrying
What I said about Arnold stands. If he has any beef he can contact me.
You, however, are a bona fide asshole who makes up shit about others. You and Goodrum have no shame.
Both of you think you are smart but neither has a clue about important matters.
Hope this helps.
vince i am a very successful business man
you are an overweight janitor in a gym
where did you think you placed in the competition where all the judges placed you dead last vince?
Ron doesn't know me. Do you think posting on the internet reveals who people are?
You really are a pathetic entity. What a sad life you must lead.
Why don't you take up loafing?
Vince is it true that Arnold was a judge at one of your competitions ?
If so did he & any other judges place you last ?
No hating - just asking.
Here are the facts behind my last place in the tall class at the 1975 Mr Australia contest.
In the years before that contest I was a judge in two contests that Paul Graham didn't win. He found out I didn't vote for him so
he got even in 1975. I had challenged Robert Nailon, the paper tiger, to compete in 1975. Shortly before the Mr Australia contest
Robert 'won' the Mr NSW contest. Trouble was Hans Meyer was superior as Robert had polio legs. So we booed when Robert was
declared the winner. Robert didn't like that at all. Arnold was a judge that night. Paul Graham was the promoter and after the contest
he always gave the contestants and judges something to eat. People could also meet Arnold who was the guest poser. I didn't go
because I was disgusted with the contest. Andrew Shigelski from my gym did go to meet Arnold. They accused him of booing Nailon.
Andrew told them I started the booing. Well, he overheard Paul and Arnold saying they would get me in Melbourne.
In Melbourne I approached Frank Burwash and told him what Andrew heard. Frank assured me he wouldn't let that happen. I didn't
place nor did I win best poser. I wasn't very happy I can tell you. Nailon was working in one of my gyms at the time and during the
contest I asked him if I had too much oil on since they were using spotlights. He said he doesn't talk to anyone at contests! That
comment and not placing really bothered me and on the long drive back to Sydney I told Roz to fire Nailon the next day which she
did. We also wrote to Burwash about the judging. He sent a reply saying that Paul Graham had given me 25 out of 100 and Arnold
scored me somewhat higher but still placed me last. Burwash did bugger all about the biased judging. He stated that those two
scored were not accurate. He also said there was a panel of trainee judges at the contest and they didn't score me last. Roz can't
find that letter which is a shame because I would post it here to show what kind of jerks Paul and Arnold were. If judges and
promoters show bias they shouldn't be allowed to have anything to do with bodybuilding.
As it happened I tore a biceps doing a 509 pound deadlift and never competed again. So 75 was my last show.
To add insult to injury someone stole the slides taken at the 75 Mr Australia. I don't have any photos from that contest.
I knew what Paul and Arnold were going to do but still entered the contest. Silly me. I should have told Burwash I would do
a guest pose and not competed. Since I had challenged Nailon I felt obligated to compete.
Oh, Roger Walker won that contest and got to compete in South Africa.
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simple vince.
the other vince, as pathetic a physique as he has, actually got on a stage.
thee is no evidence you did anything of the kind, and a single bw phot from the land before time aint cutting it.
oh also, your seriously a foolish old girl. go back to taking images of flowers
Let's take this seriously and start asking real questions.
Vince, you looked great. How could you let yourself go the way you did? I don't remember you talking about injuries or other heath issues. And you have actually owned a gym for decades. What the hell happened?
My guess is that the moment he tore that bicep, he mentally became a proto-grump and it wasn't long before he had attained the garden gnome physique to go with it.
There was a Harbour Cruise after the 1980 Olympia. I finally met Joe Weider that night.
Mike and Frank weren't on the boat. Nailon took Frank to his hotel so missed the boat, too.
Vince you seem to have quite a lot of history with arnold. Any crap aside do you think it'd be cool to "catch up" talk training today and the good old days.
vince accused arnold of serious sexual crimes on multiple forumsThat's the same attitude they had with Jimmy Saville. Too powerful to be accused of sex crimes.
fortunately for vince he is a nobody
so arnold doesnt give a shit
That's the same attitude they had with Jimmy Saville. Too powerful to be accused of sex crimes.
Rumored to have bedded Arnold.Arnold lived in London for a time as a young bodybuilder while Saville was at his peak of popularity and fame. Pics (non sexual) them together have been posted many times online.
If memory serves Savile was a president of Nabba or the Ifbb in England at one stage. Super schmoe
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Arnold lived in London for a time as a young bodybuilder while Saville was at his peak of popularity and fame. Pics (non sexual) them together have been posted many times online.
And you think Saville would not have made a pass at some point? Please.
In fairness there's not many guys on this board who even for one day in their lives have had a body matching basiles in that 1975 photo. And anyone who says different is a liar. Goodrum even when you get aids you wont reach within 20% bf of basile that day. He sure beats the shit out of my physiqueyup that's a great physique bye anyone's standards the fact that it was taken in the 1970s vince did look fantastic.
If memory serves Savile was a president of Nabba or the Ifbb in England at one stage. Super schmoe
I came up with a new theory on hypertrophy called the DOMS theory. So far no one has refuted my claims. I published the theory in Flex Magazine.
Actually it has been refuted in studies. You have commented in the past the dearth of bbing studies but there are many and constant. I don't think you are looking in the right places or even at all.
In this study I posted recently the subjects actually lost muscle size and strength while they were in DOMS and only started to progress after soreness subsided and the adaptation phase took place.
Of course you can dispute these claims and attempt to refute them but it would be disingenuous to claim that no contradictory studies have been done and published.
http://ergo-log.com/too-intense-strength-training-doesn-t-result-in-muscle-growth.html
The men reported more muscle soreness in week 1 than in weeks 3 and 10, as the figure above shows. In addition, the men lost a considerable amount of muscle strength after their workout in week 1.
The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.
didnt vince say he was going to prove his theoryno, they are now an inch longer...
by training his arms every day for a month and putting an inch on them
didnt he fail
Actually, the full study is available for those that really want it.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP272472/abstract;jsessionid=565F806F69EE335A08F5C123EAF42773.f04t02
And though many of these studies are not done by experience resistance trainees that does not necessarily render the results useless. In fact, in some studies you may want to exclude very advance trainees as at some point meaningful and measurable gains may simply not be possible. I mean, to take an extreme example, how much more can you get out of a 2003 Ronnie Coleman no matter what you do, feed or administer.
What did happen in this study was that gains were lost or nonexistent during DOMS but they were experienced after the DOMS phase which may indicate that insufficient caloric consumption was not the issue. They did grow.
Of course, Disgusted closed the thread as it had nothing to do with comparing the adaptation response to various levels of intensity. Just what happens when you subject your body to resistance training.
What happens if you compare training protocols that feature positive failure versus forced reps, negatives, drop sets, pre exhaust....?
A misleading study but not without merit.
There are a lot of things we need to define when we examine studies. Did anyone take measurements during and after the experiment? So what did they use to determine if any muscle size was gained?
"Conclusion: The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.
Of course strength training stimulates muscle growth, the Brazilians concluded. But not if the stimulus is too intense."
They had 10 men who hadn't done any lifting in the previous 6 months. How on earth do they represent bodybuilders? The people doing the study concluded that gains were made ONLY after becoming used to the training.
Surely all bodybuilders are used to training? In fact, the vast majority of people lifting weights are NOT growing. Why is this so? Why doesn't everyone grow who trains with resistance? A good question.
If we look at hypertrophy from a logical point of view we see that it occurs only if the body does something unusual and with enough intensity or duration or both.
All gym owners and personal trainers know that you have to go easy on beginners in the gym. I find the study interesting but it does not refute my claims.
I state that an intermediate bodybuilder who trains hard several times a week will experience hypertrophy if he can generate sufficient DOMS in his target muscles.
When a study is done with such bodybuilders I will accept the results. My own experience is that it is difficult to generate DOMS in some muscles such as biceps.
So, if you can get your biceps sore then they should grow about 1/10 of an inch by the next day. Yes, some of the size is inflammation but there is hypertrophy because
the size gains are accompanied with strength gains over a period of say a month.
Did you purchase the study and read it in full?
Because it was not detailed how they were able to measure hypertrophy doesn't mean it didn't happen? They did explain how muscle damage was measured. And measurements are not a very good indication of muscle hypertrophy. I increase the size of my thighs over night just by consuming a lot of carbs and water.
"Why doesn't everyone grow as a result of resistance training?" Of course they do but at wildly different rates and levels. Dr. Walzak told me that one reaches the upper limits of his natural genetic potential after about three years of serious training and eating with about 80% of those gains coming within the first year (talking about an adult).
Why do some people get a very dark tan from the sun and others do not? It's all about one's genetic predisposition. Jones stated this clearly. No amount of hormones, peptides and DOMS will change that. The human body does not want to carry a lot of muscle and given the slightest excuse will get rid of it. Muscle, even at rest, requires a lot of metabolic support: blood supply, nutrients, etc. Muscle is a metabolic cost to the body. Fat is just the opposite. Stored energy. Your body likes stored energy and will store as much as it can even at the expense of no longer resembling a human form. Both are proven clearly in real life.
And I don't know if an "unusual" training stimulus is always necessary for muscle hypertrophy. I am amazed at the muscular size my nephew has put on in the last five years. Especially in the quads, arms and shoulders -- and he has never picked up a barbell in his life. He just entered puberty and ate more.
One of Jiu-Jitsu instructors, Reagan Machado, put on 30 lbs of muscle mass while in his mid twenties just by going off the primary fruit based diet espoused by the Gracies when he moved to the US and started eating more meat.
You demand proof that DOMS is not a necessary requirement to muscle hypertrophy but have yet to provide proof of your own. This study did present evidence that DOMS is a stage preceding muscle adaptation albeit in nonbodybuilders but I see no reason why this would not also apply to more advance trainees. It's like when I did work with my hands. I would wear away the skin first, which caused some pain and discomfort, the soreness and broken down phase (a form of DOMS?), until a callous would build up and I would no longer experience discomfort and my callouses would grow more pronounce as I continued working with my hands.
And, don't forget, you did try to prove your DOMS theory in the real world with practical application and have always failed. You have presented the theory, the onus is on you to prove it and not on others to disprove it.
Very happy to have you back on this board again.
Did you purchase the study and read it in full?
Because it was not detailed how they were able to measure hypertrophy doesn't mean it didn't happen? They did explain how muscle damage was measured. And measurements are not a very good indication of muscle hypertrophy. I increase the size of my thighs over night just by consuming a lot of carbs and water.
"Why doesn't everyone grow as a result of resistance training?" Of course they do but at wildly different rates and levels. Dr. Walzak told me that one reaches the upper limits of his natural genetic potential after about three years of serious training and eating with about 80% of those gains coming within the first year (talking about an adult).
Why do some people get a very dark tan from the sun and others do not? It's all about one's genetic predisposition. Jones stated this clearly. No amount of hormones, peptides and DOMS will change that. The human body does not want to carry a lot of muscle and given the slightest excuse will get rid of it. Muscle, even at rest, requires a lot of metabolic support: blood supply, nutrients, etc. Muscle is a metabolic cost to the body. Fat is just the opposite. Stored energy. Your body likes stored energy and will store as much as it can even at the expense of no longer resembling a human form. Both are proven clearly in real life.
And I don't know if an "unusual" training stimulus is always necessary for muscle hypertrophy. I am amazed at the muscular size my nephew has put on in the last five years. Especially in the quads, arms and shoulders -- and he has never picked up a barbell in his life. He just entered puberty and ate more.
One of Jiu-Jitsu instructors, Reagan Machado, put on 30 lbs of muscle mass while in his mid twenties just by going off the primary fruit based diet espoused by the Gracies when he moved to the US and started eating more meat.
You demand proof that DOMS is not a necessary requirement to muscle hypertrophy but have yet to provide proof of your own. This study did present evidence that DOMS is a stage preceding muscle adaptation albeit in nonbodybuilders but Conclusion
The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.
Of course strength training stimulates muscle growth, the Brazilians concluded. But not if the stimulus is too intense.DOMS?), until a callous would build up and I would no longer experience discomfort and my callouses would grow more pronounce as I continued working with my hands.
And, don't forget, you did try to prove your DOMS theory in the real world with practical application and have always failed. You have presented the theory, the onus is on you to prove it and not on others to disprove it.
Very happy to have you back on this board again.
which one is more important for muscle growth - doms or pump?
doms theory seems easy enough to try out, worth checking out if you're stuck in your training.
LOL all these comments from anonymous entities. No photo, no identity, not a person....just an entity that can type.
Most people put on some fat as they get older. Then you have the problem of motivation. Young guys figure they need to look buff. Old guys don't care that much.
I still train off and on. The difficult thing is sticking to an hypertrophy program. Like training a certain way every third day. Not easy to sustain when motivation is
missing. I carry some safety fat but nothing to worry about. Oh, and another thing, it isn't easy to lose fat when you are an older guy.
Yes, yes, I'm an anonymous person - but I'm always straight with you, Vince. I give you respect for how you looked in the past - but I don't really hide my lack of respect that you didn't carry that on.
Having lost 10kg without doing an ounce of cardio, recently, I have to wonder if it is actually hard to for an old person to lose weight or is it just harder to skip dessert after dinner? :)
My best lifts are Bench 410, Full Squat 470, Deadlift 525, Curl 177.5, Standing Press 270.
hey Vince
did you ever see or get to try Arthur Jones' hyper machines?
they allowed both a maximum positive rep and a maximum negative
which one is more important for muscle growth - doms or pump?neither, its genetics...
Too lazy to clean snots off welds, it's the sloppy lack of dedication and application shown here that prevents you from ever achieving blue stars Vince
neither, its genetics...
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.shut up gimmick.
Ha I'm not welder enough to offer criticism but what the hell. No grinding evident after or before. Vince did you just weld straight through the damn paint?
What are you talking about? The machine welds look fine to me.
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.
hey Vince
what do you think about maximum strength training?
seems like the vast concensus is that one should cycle exercises every 3 weeks
for example on chest do max rep bbench ie. 1-3 reps for 3 weeks then switch to another heavy chest move like db bench for 3 weeks at 1-3 reps then to wweighted dips for 3 weeks etc.
what's your thought on this and max strength training?
I am not an expert in strength training. However, I did train to improve my pinch grip for a contest. What I did was train every 3rd day. If I trained sooner I couldn't lift as much the next day.
longer effective. Eventually they give up training since it seems to be a waste of time.
As a further clarification, you dispute the study posted. You wanted more details as to how they reached their conclusions yet you don't think it's worth getting the full study due to the $6 fee. I'm a bit surprised as you constantly complain about the lack of such studies and I'd think you jump at the chance to get some details.
But, that's OK, you can, and should, question. Fair dinkum. Now I ask you what have you presented as far as evidence that your DOMS theory is effective? What evidence have you presented that this study has not?
And I believe we can use some of the ways a body deals with stress and apply it to bbing. You recall Mentzer borrowing heavily from Hans Seyle for whom bbing was the furthest thing from his mind. Yet, Mentzer saw the correlation. That's why the tanning and callous example I believe has some merit. I didn't make this up. Everything I know I learned from someone else. It was Mentzer that I got this example from. A stress will stimulate an adaptive response (a tan, a callous) too much of that stress will overwhelm the body and break down will occur (sunburn, blisters). This even occurs on an emotional level. If there is not some stress, some challenges, in one's life, you become like Howard. You have no life force or motivation to do anything. Too much stress you become like Mentzer during his dark period.
Anyone who has experienced DOMS find that they are sore. They experience pain using that particular muscle. That that particular muscle no longer has the contractile strength it did previously and you are weaker. You are in the break down state which was proven in the study by the levels of
creatine kinase. And objective measurement. It also showed that strength increased only after they had recovered and their creatine kinase levels went down. These are very real evidence and proof. Something you have never demostrated.
So using some common sense doesn't pain serve a purpose? A signal to back off. When you are in a breakdown state does it make sense to continually break your body down? If you are run down due to lack of sleep should you go with even less sleep to build you systemic ability and perform even longer?
What we have here is a failure to communicate....or simply vastly different experiences and ideas.
So I will do a thought experiment for you and go back maybe 2 million years or longer. Imagine that our ancestors are hungry and are out hunting animals.
Suppose our hunter and gatherer gets into a fight after tracking some big game all day. The hunter is almost killed. This has been an extraordinary struggle
and he limps into a cave to sleep the night. In the morning the hunter awakes with his body quite sore from that struggle. Doms has set in. So what does
the hunter do since he hasn't eaten in a day? Will his muscles be able to operate and allow him to hunt and struggle? If not then we literally wouldn't be here
today. Keeping this in mind do you think that we can train when our bodies are quite sore? Absolutely. That soreness isn't like a sunburn or blister. We are
sore because there has been significant damage in the muscle fibers and they should adapt by getting stronger and perhaps a bit larger. Growth will occur
as long as sufficient nutrients are ingested.
The major stumbling block to hypertrophy is the repeated bout effect. The body will adapt to severe muscular exertion by growing larger and stronger. This
isn't easily measured in most muscles but a tape can record any growth on the arms and calves. Well over a week you can easily measure any changes.
What scientists discovered is that the body adapts to the stress of a severe workout and this adaptation lasts a long time....even months. So when you
encounter the same stress (workout) nothing much will happen except stay the same. There is no additional growth. This explains why so many trainees
are stuck on plateaus. They have to workout doing something more intense and or different from the last workout. This isn't always easy to do.
I give the example of rolling one of those huge machinery tyres that are used in strongman contests. It takes a big effort to get one of them up and rolling
but not so much effort to keep them rolling along. I apply that to hypertrophy training so that the repeated bout effect doesn't set in. Get the muscle quite
sore and then on the third day train again while it is still experiencing DOMS. The trainee won't feel like training but if he does do another hypertrophy
workout he will keep his muscles in a continuous state of growth. It is imperative NOT to recover completely. That is why I believe Jones and Mentzer were
mistaken about what Selye wrote about adaptation. If you wait until the soreness evaporates the repeated bout effect occurs and then you have a big
problem. How to stimulate more hypertrophy since the workout you did last time won't be sufficient.
If you want to keep the muscle continuously growing you HAVE to keep it sore. That is the gist of what I am claiming.
As you can see this will be easy to test. To me this is all very logical because it works on me. Will it work on other people....everyone?
I hope so but obviously don't know. Are our muscular systems actually quite different? I don't think they are different when it comes
to individual fibers and physiology. Some may have more fibers than others but the principle of hypertrophy should apply to
all muscle fibers.
Now let's talk about intensity of effort and hypertrophy. Is this the main factor in hypertrophy? Jones and Mentzer argued that it
was. I submit that this might be true for strength but it is only partly true for muscle size. What else is required? Volume. If you
do sufficient intensity with sufficient volume you should stimulate hypertrophy. How much intensity and how much volume?
The scientists don't know unless they observe what the huge bodybuilders do. What would they find? Well, the champs do
lots and lots of sets with reasonably heavy weights. Of course that isn't specific enough to distill a theory of hypertrophy from.
More in another post.
Human recovery resources has to be prudently divvied out. Just day to day life without weight training requires a full night of sleep and recovery to be ready for the next day. Having a 20 inch arm is pretty low in the pecking order of human survival needs. Even fully recovered, expending recovery resources for large muscles is hardly a top priority. Imagine how much further it drops when you are in a constant state of disrepair, i.e. DOMS
if i do back and biceps and only feel doms in my back, even though both back and biceps grow from the workouts what does that tell us?
if i feel doms, and start to consume some food or supplements which supposedly help with recovery and help with doms, is that a bad thing?
if i take 2 months off and when returning to the gym have the worst doms ever, does that tell us anything?
Absolutely. My standard for gym equipment is Getbig proof. In other words, if the muscleheads don't use it then it isn't up to scratch.^^
As with any invention there has to be modifications after people try it out. There have been several major changes since I first built
the machine by myself back in 2001. I changed angles, the position of two pulleys and removed some pads that were behind the arms.
My son Zorba explained that they weren't necessary and impeded some guys with big arms. I even listened to Goodrum and changed
the colour from magenta to silver. No homo! The latest modification enabled the user to start from a lower bottom position just like you
would doing seated dumbbells. I am afraid that most guys who do bodybuilding are brainwashed re favouring free weights. I would love a gym
with no barbells or dumbbells. The bodybuilders are sufficient there. They do whatever the big guys do in the magazines. Amazing
how training is transmitted and embraced around the world. That is why most guys have no clue about getting big. Reasonably intelligent
Matt Canning has no clue whatever and he ran a forum on bodybuilding. He isn't an expert and what he does testifies to my assessment.
Like, why would a little guy participate in strongman contests? He forgets that Franco almost ruined his career competing in those silly contests.
So what if you can lift a heavy weight. Leave that kind of showing off to the big guys who don't care what they look life. If you want to impress
with your physique then for heaven's sake figure out how to get big. The trouble is that too many guys figure they know what to do but fail to
get decent size. Then they blame the fact that they don't take steroids. When they do and still fail to get big they say they don't have the genetics.
Matt has good delts. If he can make them grow what about the rest of him? If he can figure that one out he might get somewhere. Unfortunately
he will continue doing similar things to no avail. Maybe he will become a writer for a magazine?
^^
LARRY SCOTT used to endorse and work out on a biceps supinator machine back in the 1980's...
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.
::)
^^
LARRY SCOTT used to endorse and work out on a biceps supinator machine back in the 1980's...
I've used the equipment Vince has in his gym many times.
It isn't the prettiest but it is stout as fuck. Most of it is 2" x 2" tubing but it has very high wall thickness. Most equipment is about 1/8" wall thickness his must be about 1/4" wall thickness because the benches are HEAVY.
All his pin loaded equipment also has something I've never seen before... Linear bearings! Normal equipment has steel guide rods with nylon bushings in the top weight plate. His have hardened rods and linear bearings on the top plate - essentially each weight stack is as smooth as a smith machine which feels incredible on lat pulldowns and cable rows especially.
Did you ever discuss the cycle you did before your last contest?
Who took this pic?
Have you been to the gym recently? If so have you tried the latest version of the biceps-supinator machine? It helps if I am there to show you how to get the best out of using it.
When I started building gym equipment for other gyms in 1981 I called my business Lifetime Gym Equipment. I changed it to Vince's Gym Equipment by 1984. I wanted to design
and build sturdy gym equipment that bodybuilders couldn't destroy! The first benches were made from 5 X 2 inch RHS and I welded 1/4 inch angle iron on each side to bolt the 1 inch plywood to.
You could have dropped those benches out of a cargo jet and not damaged them. The wall thickness was 4.9 mm which was thicker than what others were using. I would have used
stainless steel if it were cheaper. SS costs 10 times what ordinary steel costs. SS = no rust or paint. I use stainless for all handles and bars in my gym.
Some members tell me they have trained in many gyms in Sydney and around the world but consider my equipment to be the smoothest and best they have ever used.
For a reason similar to my not getting blue stars I have never been mentioned in a bodybuilding magazine as a gym equipment inventor and builder.
Vince I ask this with all due respect, but if the equipment is so complex that you need to show someone how to properly use it (and this is a gym rat) haven't you done your product a disservice? You're training biceps not flying a plane.
Bigmc brings up a valid point about you not being in good shape in any of the photos you've posted. That's not to say you need to be in contest shape, but you should at least have some musculature and definition.
You could very well be the present day Arthur Jones, if your equipment is so good (and I'm sure it's better than 95% of what's in gyms today) why isn't it being sold? Is it because you're in Australia and shipping costs prevent you from marketing it to the masses?
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Photo probably taken by Roz.
Steroid cycle? Two Dianabol tablets a day for 50 days since there were 100 tablets in the bottle. Used 2 bottles in 1975. That was it, nothing else.
I hate needles so avoided anything that could be injected. Didn't get much hypertrophy but my strength went up a bit. I got the Dianabol from
a Chinese pharmacist in Kings Cross, Sydney. Maybe it wasn't very good because nothing happened re muscle size. That is when I easily
cleaned and pressed 270 pounds. It flew up but I didn't try any more on the day. I could do 6 reps with 225 cold. I did a strict 400 pound bench
press weighing 200 pounds. I competed at 190 but still didn't have enough cuts.
We had Ray and girlfriend Kathy staying at our place then Bev and Steve came to stay as well. I drove them around Sydney and here they are at
Bondi Beach. Roz and I slept on the sofa while Bev and Steve had our king size waterbed. Before they left I told Steve I would stay at his place
if I ever visited New York. The jerk replied, "Don't bother!"
Small world for sure and the D-bol back then was very potent stuff. This is your thread so I won't go into my powerlifting history but I did train with Bev a few times at Pep's Gym in Framingham MA back in the early 80's. At the time I think Steve was a truck driver so he just kind of hung around. He seemed like an ass, however, never opened his mouth at Pep's because he knew better.
She was a beast squatter and looked nothing like she did when she switched to bb.
I, for one, would relish the opportunity to try the supinator. And I have to say, the machines that you have produced look exceptionally well made. The proof is in the pudding with these things. I recently tried a lat pulldown machine in a hotel in Madrid, never seen one like it before, best damn lat machine i ever used. Made the one at my local gym seem amateurish.
We had Ray and girlfriend Kathy staying at our place then Bev and Steve came to stay as well. I drove them around Sydney and here they are at
Bondi Beach. Roz and I slept on the sofa while Bev and Steve had our king size waterbed. Before they left I told Steve I would stay at his place
if I ever visited New York. The jerk replied, "Don't bother!"
Arnold, Arthur Jones and Goatboy were all far superior in their respective fields than Vince B ever was.
Vince, you still have not addressed the issue that I have brought up here, as I have elsewhere, and as others have as well.
You contend that DOMS is a necessary condition for muscle hypertrophy. I presented a study, a peer reviewed study published in The Journal of Physiology , that claims the exact opposite. That being in a state of DOMS prevents muscle hypertrophy and the subjects lost both strength and muscle size. Only after DOMS did strength and size increase. Objective evidence is presented to support their claims.
You, not surprisingly, dismissed the study though unable to refute it which suggest a personal bias over the search for truth.
Now, how about you? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Scientific evidence which you insist on from others. Some years back you did take on the challenge of demonstrating effectiveness of your theory using on yourself. I backed you 100% even though I was routinely mocked for supporting you. We all remember that that experiment ended in abject failure.
Please present your evidence that exceeds the study I presented as you consider it insufficient and lacking.
"Resistance training-induced changes in integrated myofibrillar protein synthesis are related to hypertrophy only after attenuation of muscle damage"
Hi Basile. If I would like to walk around manly beach and take some photos of the sexy sheilas and lads, and not draw too much attention to myself, do you have some tips for how I can pull that off?
so i reckon the doms theory is more for the advanced bodybuilder, someone who pushed himself as far as he can go using traditional routines/protocols?
Hi Basile. If I would like to walk around manly beach and take some photos of the sexy sheilas and lads, and not draw too much attention to myself, do you have some tips for how I can pull that off?
Pellius, please reread my replies above. I don't claim you need DOMS to grow. Most bodybuilders grow without any of that delayed pain. Of course they grow slowly and most plateau.
What I found was that if you are training hard and somehow trigger DOMS then you will grow. If you keep the muscle in a state of soreness you will continue growing...rapidly.
I would have to read the details of the study to see what protocols were done. That makes a big difference. Why I dismiss this study is because it doesn't apply to bodybuilders
already training hard in gyms all over the world.
Remember when we debated protein requirement? Many believe you need extra protein. Mike Mentzer and I argue that you do not and will get sufficient without supplements.
So who is right about this requirement? Guys who do a lot of things daily and are lean won't be able to gain much size. So how would you know if my theory is false?
I don't expect internet experts to try anything at all. Much too difficult and confronting. Who out there wants to abandon his precious beliefs about lifting weights? If you can
be mistaken about things like bodybuilding then what does that say about your education and knowledge?
Like I said, you have to be an expert in hypertrophy to know another expert. So I am not getting very far with the intellects assembled here!
Btw, there is a study that suggests that DOMS indicates hypertrophy. Will find it another day. Weekend here.
They have to be because the linear bearings have a low co-efficient of friction.
Um, not trying to hack on you but linear roller bearings are used where there's a radial load. They provide low friction... under load. That's what bearings do.
Weight stacks are vertical and are lifted plumb. There's no load bearing on the guide rods. That's why no one uses linear bearings and hardened rods for weight stack guides. Nothing's borne on them. They're guides.
If you really want to use bearings you'd put them in the pulleys instead of the usual bushings. Yes, I'm certain that you did.
Maybe you just dig the whooshing sound. Ta na ka.
are you saying there is a sinister undertone to vinces photography
I am saying that if you need fetish photos done in sydney, you know who to call...
Who said anything about roller bearings? The ones I use have rows of ball bearings. I believe I was the first to use them in Smith machines.
he has that creepy look nailed down
So still no evidence that DOMS causes hypertrophy. I just want it here for the record.
Why does it matter what protocols were used? As long as the protocol stressed the muscle to the point where DOMS occur why does it matter if it was squats, leg press, lunges, extensions...?
And why doesn't this study apply to bodybuilders? Jones did a lot of his studies and experiments on students at West Point. Whether you call yourself a bodybuilder, power lifter, physique homo... the principles of resistant training apply to all. You are still a human being with identical biological and physiological qualities. Jones said that. Mentzer said that. You said that. If the principles are sound they apply to all.
And about sufficient protein. This is where common sense applies. If one is a 180 pounds and wants to gain 30 pounds of pure muscle are you arguing that one does not have to increase his protein intake? Of course he will have to increase his intake of everything. You can't gain muscle without protein. Mentzer and Jones said you don't need as much protein as the Weider crew and conventional wisdom claimed. Viator was force fed during the Colorado experiment and just the dramatic increase in calories automatically caused him to meet the protein requirements to gain so much muscle in such a short period of time.
Not needing as much protein as the industry claimed is not the same as not needing more.
My lat machines have 300 or 330 pounds on the stacks. Linear Bearings and plenty of stainless steel handles to choose from.
My biceps machine is something new. I get my biceps sore every hard workout on them. Can't do that on the Nautilus Biceps Machine.
You would think bodybuilders would be delighted to try it. Nope, most are dopes and stick
with free weights. Read some of the comments in this thread and be ashamed of so many ignorant individuals.
Right. Rolling element bearings. Linear shaft ball roller bearings. You don't need 'em.
No one needs to bodybuild either.wrong font of peace, gimmick slip up number 3
No one needs to bodybuild either.
wrong font of peace, gimmick slip up number 3
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7 out of 10 for the vince gimmick
After an extensive linguistics analysis of Vince B's posts, I have concluded, that this is the real Vince. Not a gimmick. :-\
I've been known to be a cunning linguist. (Easy, yes, but still funny.)
If it is Vince he's been going heavy on the retard pills
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I thought the same thing at first, that's why I investigated. I'm 90% sure it's the real Vince. It's possible that he has early onset dementia, and that is the reasoning behind his walls of text. :-\
My lat machines have 300 or 330 pounds on the stacks. Linear Bearings and plenty of stainless steel handles to choose from.
My biceps machine is something new. I get my biceps sore every hard workout on them. Can't do that on the Nautilus Biceps Machine.
You would think bodybuilders would be delighted to try it. Nope, most are dopes and stick
with free weights. Read some of the comments in this thread and be ashamed of so many ignorant individuals.
I thought the same thing at first, that's why I investigated. I'm 90% sure it's the real Vince. It's possible that he has early onset dementia, and that is the reasoning behind his walls of text. :-\
Having handles that twist do not a supinator make. There is no resistance for supination. On my
invention there are two weight stacks. One for flexion and one for supination.
Someone posted that if my machine is too complex I should have made it simpler. Well, how can you make
a machine with two degrees of freedom simpler? By necessity it has to be more complicated than typical
biceps machines.
When I was designing the machine way back in 1986-7 I looked at the other biceps machines by other
manufacturers. Nautilus had a machine where your arms were elevated in front of you. Others made them
at 45 degrees with a pad for upper arms. I reasoned that the position that allowed the most force by the
user was the seated inclined position. Especially if there is a foot rest to push against.
This was the machine back in 2004-5. Two pulleys have been moved, angles changed, and pads removed since then.
Photo was a flash into a mirror.
My gym has this Curl machine by atlantis. For the record I make sure my elbows are off the pad(benefit of having Vince Goodrum like limbs)
It is the real Basile. No gimmick could come this close to his original writing (style).
Doms doesn't cause hypertrophy, the workout does. Doms indicates a level of damage in the muscles.
Isn't it obvious that the cited study doesn't apply to bodybuilders already training without doms?
If one eats a balanced diet no extra protein is needed. There will be more protein if more food is eaten to
gain weight.
It is the real Basile. No gimmick could come this close to his original writing (style).
I don't know what the fuss is about biceps exercises, it's pretty easy to hit them. Lats take more focus. Love the pullover, and the front lever raise (calisthenic version).
Of all the muscles in the body the biceps are difficult to get sore from training. Could be because we use them all
the time.
The biceps have three functions, flexion, supination, and lifting the arm. Since my machine is the only one that provides
adjustable resistance for supination it makes sense that it will train the muscle more effectively than other machines. Thus, I
am able to generate DOMS in the biceps after hard workouts on my machine. They can be brutally hard because you can do one
arm at a time then at the end do partials and/or supination only movements.
No gimmick would argue like I do to defend my theories and equipment, etc.
A gimmick would imitate things I said to poke fun at me.
I have posted a new photo of Ray Mentzer here. Also a new photo posing a biceps while sitting
on my Biceps-supinator machine.
Can you post an upside down cup photo? :o
How about posting a photo of yourself so we can see the intelligent guy behind the gimmick.
I've never posted a photo online, and never will. I'm not that stupid. You on the other hand have posted many, willingly. So, one more with an upside down cup should be no problem. Balls in your court gimmick. :-*
I am interested in AI, computers and if and when machines will surpass humans in thinking ability.
No doubt some machines already surpass many of the flotsam here like Wiggs.
Wiggs isn't a dope but he sure believes a lot of crap. Could have too much time and goes
online for an education only to be mislead by crazy people. Well, if you can believe in
a religion you can believe anything is possible. Contrast those beliefs with ideas about
how to make muscles larger...hypertrophy/hyperplasia. For God you accept without evidence
whereas for theories about hypertrophy there must be ways to either demonstrate the
phenomenon or get results. What continues to amaze me is the lack of doing personal
experiments to find out if a theory or method works. One workout for arms or calves
would establish a result and two weeks would prove the method...or otherwise.
So Pellius presents a study showing that DOMS affected subjects didn't grow. That
is a worry for my theory. I then have to examine that article and find out why they
didn't grow. If not, then my theory is not valid. So I would have to alter it to include
the results of that experiment.
Would you believe that in the sixties and seventies studies were done on the effectiveness
of anabolic steroids and most didn't find that steroids worked. One problem was that those
conducting the experiments didn't include ingesting more calories as part of the study.
The results in those days were amusing to bodybuilders because they knew from experience
that steroids worked. Most users kept quiet about any involvement with drugs because that
was considered cheating. That was before the medical people and politicians decided to
ban the use of growth inducing drugs for muscle building. How come they allow dangerous
drugs like Botox to be used to make people look younger? Those doctors are hypocrites
because giving dangerous drugs to people who are not sick goes against the oath they took before
becoming doctors.
Mr. Basile,
Do you think you can create a robotic exoskeleton and live inside of it? It would be awesome if you could turn your bicep supination machine into an exoskeleton and become one with it.
Your friend,
SF1900
We must embrace The Vince Basile Doctrine of Proper Bicep Supination or otherwise all of humanity will be doomed.
I have long held a motto.....fear no man!
It isn't because you are too smart to post a photo it is because most of you flotsam fear the consequences of being known.
There are people here who would be targets for some overdue reprisals while others would be sued for defamation.
I find it ironical that one of the few guys here who wouldn't use a gimmick is accused of being one. What you doubters reveal
is a lack of profiling ability as well as having limited reasoning ability in general.
I think Mr. Basile is metamorphosing into the bicep supination machine. Eventually, Mr. Basile in human form will no longer be.
You gonna be in your gym tomorrow?
Send me a personal message and I will respond. Not usually there on our Sundays.
Sorry, I don't pm. You in the gym now?
haha yeah that would be pretty badass though :D
Mr. Basile will be like the Robocop of bodybuilding.
Nope. Will be at the Swans game tonight.
Will he bring the sweet ass Chris Isaak t-shirt with him when he goes full cyborg??
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So Pellius presents a study showing that DOMS affected subjects didn't grow. That
is a worry for my theory. I then have to examine that article and find out why they
didn't grow. If not, then my theory is not valid. So I would have to alter it to include
the results of that experiment. ......
The study showed that ordinary subjects gained size only after getting used
to resistance training. They didn't try to get them sore again to see if growth
occurred. Bodybuilders are already used to hard training so if they now experience
soreness after doing something new will they grow?
About a balanced diet. Pick almost any version and you will have sufficient prtein, etc.
There is no need to ingest extra protein via supplements.
so you get DOMS but zero growth?
Vince, when you have a minute,,,,,,,,
Of all the muscles in the body the biceps are difficult to get sore from training. Could be because we use them all
the time.
The biceps have three functions, flexion, supination, and lifting the arm. Since my machine is the only one that provides
adjustable resistance for supination it makes sense that it will train the muscle more effectively than other machines. Thus, I
am able to generate DOMS in the biceps after hard workouts on my machine. They can be brutally hard because you can do one
arm at a time then at the end do partials and/or supination only movements.
hey Vince,
what split do you recommend?
since you say to hit the same muscle every 3 days do you then say train 2on/1 off, 1on/2 off or no days off?
very old pic shit mac
why don't you post a more modern one? PUSSY :-*
still waiting in the ring for ya, pound that fat ass of yours and make ya cry
Why would they? They already established that size and strength went down while in DOMS.
The human body responds the same to general principles with only the specifics that matter. It will take more intense/longer training for an experience person to experience DOMS than a newbee but the effects will be the same, i.e., when in a state of DOMS, your body by definition is in break down mode. You will have to get out of DOMS, recover from the stress, to become the adaptation process (repair, growth). That was demonstrated with concrete evidence. You have not demonstrated the opposite result that you claim.
You cannot, and maintain your credibility, insist that the DOMS state must be continually repeated over and over to get the results you want when you, yourself, have not demonstrated your hypothesis even once.
hey Vince,
what split do you recommend?
since you say to hit the same muscle every 3 days do you then say train 2on/1 off, 1on/2 off or no days off?
You overlooked a consideration. What if there was too much damage caused by the training? Like getting blisters or a sunburn, no growth can occur. So we need to see what protocols were used and how much soreness was experienced.
Interesting Discussion
I have body parts that very rarely suffer from DOMS yet Grow.
No doubt others do also.
Would be interesting to know if -
Platz suffered DOMS in his legs often
Dorian / Ronnie / Franco in there backs
Arnold in his chest & Bi's
Phil Heath in his arms & ( Head ;) )
Etc etc
Also how on Earth are you meant to gauge the right amount of DOMS for optimal growth.
There may be some validity to the DOMS Theory, Though I'm far from Convinced yet.
OK, so now it's too much DOMS. A state that you said should be continually maintained. To be always in a state of DOMS to continue growing. So now it's not just DOMS but a certain level of intensity or degree of DOMS? This is something new and never addressed or made reference to before after all these years. How much DOMS is now needed and how do you measure it? And now you are using my examples of the body's adaptation response which you previously rejected.
Why do I have the feeling that if the results supported your beliefs you wouldn't be grasping at straws?
Still waiting on the peer reviewed scientific study you claim you had that supported your DOMS theory. I would have thought you would have that store in a very safe, easily accessed disk or file cabinet.
I have no dog in this fight. Unlike you, I have nothing vested in any theory at all and would just like to know what is the optimal protocol and conditions for muscle hypertrophy. Your bias is obvious, a bias that you accuse others of having. We are all stuck on the same old, same old. But not you. You're all about the objective, dispassionate search for truth.
Until you provide some scientific proof no one will take you seriously. But I'm still rooting for you. If you ever succeed you will exceed the genius and notoriety of Arthur Jones and have a lot of people here and elsewhere eating crow.
Despite what Mentzer said, DOMS and getting a pump is something I do think is a positive response to productive training. My contention is that you are not going to grow while in DOMS as that is when you are in the break down state. Only by recovering from DOMS first will hypertrophy occur as indicated and proven in the study posted. It's like the old saying that you don't grow in the gym but only after during the recovery process.
Despite what Mentzer said, DOMS and getting a pump is something I do think is a positive response to productive training. My contention is that you are not going to grow while in DOMS as that is when you are in the break down state. Only by recovering from DOMS first will hypertrophy occur as indicated and proven in the study posted. It's like the old saying that you don't grow in the gym but only after during the recovery process.
people taking vince seriously ???
this is the man who said
he trains only arms and his whole body grows
his arms grow nearly an inch over night using his doms theory
you can grow your arms an inch a month indefinitely with doms
also he hasnt trained properly for forty years
what you
Interesting Discussion
I have body parts that very rarely suffer from DOMS yet Grow.
No doubt others do also.
Also how on Earth are you meant to gauge the right amount of DOMS for optimal growth.
There may be some validity to the DOMS Theory, Though I'm far from Convinced yet.
Agreed- Go to gym lift / Train hard - Go rest & eat - Recuperate - Growth
You don't Grow before you are Fully Recovered - DOMS or No DOMS / Pump or No Pump.
You are 100% mistaken which doesn't surprise me. You have to think outside the conventional broscience
to acquire genuine new knowledge in bodybuilding.
Send me a personal message and I will respond.
I have read some of your recent posts and you are quite candid about yourself, especially your looks and situation.
Now Mr Rocket, you live in Australia. Why not come to my gym and have a workout and try my biceps-supinator? No charge. Email me first because
I am not at the gym often. Send me a message for my email address or contact me through my gym.
Really - opinions you have yours & I have mine.
You havnt managed to provide any irrefutable proof.
Try answering the above bodypart questions regarding the top bodybuilders
Perhaps they also knew / know nothing - Just you.. ::)
I DON'T't recommend getting too many body parts sore at the same time. To try Doms training just train arms every 3rd day for a coupe of weeks and see how you go, don't do
any other body parts.
Oh boy, when SF1900 reads this... :D
^^^ damn fattie
you keep posting up my worst pics but that ok I'll post up my best pics here in a few
p.s. I have a my better physique than you Mr Fat Turd :-*
How many sets reps exercises?
And do you agree with A Jones statement that a muscle will not get bigger til it gets stronger?
And speaking of AJ go to his website aarthurjonesexercise. com and check his article "and the facts are"
This article details his own arm experiment were he put 1 full inch on EACH ARM IN UNDER 2 WEEKS
there you go fattiecakes
and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol
DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac
I am a professional in my field and yet people online expect free advice.
how much would I need to pay for advice to get a big beer belly like you?
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I thought you said that putting the elbow on the padding during triceps work wasn't a good idea..
Exactly. A pity your perception isn't as sharp as your wit. The towel is obscuring the position of the elbow on the right.
The one on the left of the photo is clearly beyond the pads.
The main thing is you have absorbed a good rule about protecting the elbows.
I published my DOMS theory in a muscle magazine. Where is your theory? This is not a matter of opinion but theories.
Mr. Basile,
How much would you charge for a 1-hour training session and a massage?
Here is what Arthur Jones wrote about innovators in any field.
Based upon the true history of science, together with my own many years of experience with such people, it appears to
me that supposed “experts” in any field react to innovations in a manner that can be predicted; such reactions appear to
be instinctive, to be stamped into their genes. The reactions of such supposed “experts” usually follow a five-step
process: ONE, having been exposed to an innovation in their field, they will initially ignore it, apparently hoping that
it will go away; TWO, but if it does not go away, then they will try to ridicule both the idea and the person who
introduced the idea; THREE, and next, if their ridicule does not stop the spread and acceptance of the new idea, then
they will violently attack it; FOUR, but if the recent discovery is actually true, they will eventually be forced to try to
copy it; FIVE, then, finally, following the established success of anything relatively new, they will suddenly “remember”
that it was their idea in the first place.
So the pattern of response is “ignore, ridicule, attack, copy, steal.”
Rumor has it that Arthur shot and killed a man in Mexico in self defense, know anything about this?
The same thread that started by you crying for blue stars? You should be happy the focus has shifted to hypertrophy and training and not remained on your sniveling about the color of your stars. :-*
You have to admire the moderators on Getbig who allow all manner of garbage being posted in a thread involving hypertrophy and training.
there you go fattiecakes
and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol
DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac
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Come on Vince - FFS Theory published in a muscle mag ::)
I'm even surprised you would write such a daft thing.
Yes peer reviewed scientific theory / study in a muscle mag - Please.
And for your information I've written a few articles for magazines.
By your Reckoning then "Fortress" is a world renowned & leading expert
on all thing training with the amount of articles / theories he has written
in magazines far beyond your good self.
The same thread that started by you crying for blue stars? You should be happy the focus has shifted to hypertrophy and training and not remained on your sniveling about the color of your stars. :-*
BTW, I agree with some aspects of your theory, but it lacks solid scientific evidence, all broscience and personal experience.
I never did perceive that you had much of a sense of humour. Good requirement for moderating a musclehead forum.You're a bad judge of peoples character.
I could care less about the colour of my stars. Being a national champion and not having them gives me something so thanks, Ron, for that.
I don't expect scientists to give a shit about big muscles. So we are unlikely to see studies done that are relevant to
maximizing hypertrophy. What can we learn about a study done with novices that haven't done bodybuilding? Almost nothing.
You're a bad judge of peoples character.
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Clever way to avoid publishing your theory on hypertrophy.
Makes me wonder who my peers on Getbig are.
Ha - and that was your best answer.
My point proven.
Opinions opinions opinions
i have contributed zero to hypertrophy theory.
that lee priest clip told us two things:
1. if you dont lift super heavy, and you get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you felt it days afterwards)
2. if you lift super heavy, and don't get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you did lift super heavy)
there you go fattiecakes
and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol
DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac
Great improvements. But why do you say you are going to post pics at your best then say this is not peak condition? Why don't you just post you at your best. Also, abs and chest are major muscle groups. Why do you hide them?
"Show them. Show them the whole thing."
I never did perceive that you had much of a sense of humour. Good requirement for moderating a musclehead forum.strange thread but you notice that two of your biggest critics on here are themselves not posting any update pictures to show their ripped physiques...cough.. :D
I could care less about the colour of my stars. Being a national champion and not having them gives me something so thanks, Ron, for that.
I don't expect scientists to give a shit about big muscles. So we are unlikely to see studies done that are relevant to
maximizing hypertrophy. What can we learn about a study done with novices that haven't done bodybuilding? Almost nothing.
strange thread but you notice that two of your biggest critics on here are themselves not posting any update pictures to show their ripped physiques...cough.. :D
@ dj181: the guy yapping at you all the time is as fat as a prize hog, you are at least ripped. Not big but you see improvements.
hi donny
you have never posted a pic
i have
therefore your opinion is not relevant
Are you implying that they call him 'the joker' at the local zoo & kindergarten in Celle?
I posted what Lee said for two reasons. First, the guy is totally straight when he talks about bodybuilding. He is brutally honest.Lee is a cool Guy always shoots straight from the hip. Good call Vince.
Second, his experience is similar to mine in that he trained for a feel and unless he has some soreness he didn't think he achieved
anything from the workout. To get this feeling it was important to put mechanical tension on the target muscle. How did you know
you achieved this? By the soreness the following few days.
I accept that most bodybuilders don't get much soreness following workouts. What I wondered was would they keep growing if they
did? My hunch was that keeping the muscle sore would keep the muscle in a continuous state of growth. You do allow some recovery
for two whole days, then you hit the muscle again to keep it growing.
Lee is a cool Guy always shoots straight from the hip. Good call Vince.
Like most on Getbig you have contributed zero to hypertrophy theory.
Like most on Getbig you have contributed zero to sending me c0ck pics.
Mr. Basile,
How much would you charge for a 1-hour training session and a massage?
Mr. Basile,
I think you look totally awesome lifting weights.
Your friend,
SF1900
Mr. Basile,
Have you ever thought about starting a business where you take people on long walks along Manly beach?
Vince, how long are you going to ignore this fine gentlemans comments and questions? You fat old ignorant bastard
It wasn't that hard to figure out his password "bluestars"
Looks can be deceiving.
Ron doesn't know me. Do you think posting on the internet reveals who people are?
Ron has to tow the line with the Pro League/IFBB or he chooses to do so. I don't. We have an ex criminal running the IFBB in
Australia. Paul Graham.
you can see vinces theories work
here he is
great every day look easy to maintain by eating shit and never training
Why not come to my gym and have a workout and try my biceps-supinator? No charge. Email me first because
I am not at the gym often. Send me a message for my email address or contact me through my gym.
Mr. Basile,
Have you ever thought about starting a business where you take people on long walks along Manly beach?
I will discuss sets and reps later.
Arthur Jones was convinced 'intensity' was the major factor in getting bigger and stronger. I believe he was mistaken which is a shame.
For example, weight lifters get stronger without getting bigger. What does getting stronger mean? If you can do 10 reps with 225 in the
bench press but never lift more weight than that amount then several months later you could do 15 reps with the same weight are you
stronger? No doubt you would be able to do more for a single. But if you never attempted anything over 225 would you be stronger?
Teutonic Knight is back. I thought your sorry ass was banned? Too bad we sold our Penthouse at Queenscliff Beach.
There is a correlation between how much weight you can lift and how big your muscles are. There is a direct relationship between the size of your muscles and the tensile strength (force of contraction). Jones and Mentzer were right that the bigger the muscle the stronger the muscle all else being equal. This does not necessarily translate into moving more weight. There factors other than muscle size and strength responsible for moving heavy objects. Skill, technique and CNS efficiency are some.
You often can bench more simple by benching better. The opposite applies as well. Try not benching for six months. Do only Hammer instead. Even if you progress in the Hammer press. You are able to press more weight than when you first started you will find that when you go back to the bench you will bench less. Does this mean you got weaker. You lost muscle by doing other pec movements instead of bench. No, you just got "out of practice" in benching and got better on the Hammer press.
But, make no mistake, if you want to be a competition size bber, you will be moving some pretty heavy weight. And I consider full squats with 315 for 10 as pretty heavy.
you can get stronger without getting bigger
and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights
you can get stronger without getting bigger
and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights
There is a correlation between how much weight you can lift and how big your muscles are. There is a direct relationship between the size of your muscles and the tensile strength (force of contraction). Jones and Mentzer were right that the bigger the muscle the stronger the muscle all else being equal. This does not necessarily translate into moving more weight. There factors other than muscle size and strength responsible for moving heavy objects. Skill, technique and CNS efficiency are some.
just trained bench after 3 days days btw bench workouts with yesterday completely off and I lost 15 fucking kg on my stickingppoint lockouts and I couldn'teven do 1 fuckng rep with the same weight I pause pressed for 4 clean strong reps jjust 3 god damn days ago
so now I gotta put 5 or 6 days btw bench workouts. ... FUCK! !!!!
just trained bench after 3 days days btw bench workouts with yesterday completely off and I lost 15 fucking kg on my stickingppoint lockouts and I couldn'teven do 1 fuckng rep with the same weight I pause pressed for 4 clean strong reps jjust 3 god damn days ago
so now I gotta put 5 or 6 days btw bench workouts. ... FUCK! !!!!
you must be a cock sucking homo fatturdmac
seeing as you got such an obsession with that pic
very very creepy Mr. Wierdo
it would be great fun for me to make you cry in the ring
I wouldn't knock ya out quick with head shots coz I'd much rather humiliate you by making ya cry from my vicious hard rights to that fat ass body of yours
PAP! PAP! PAP!
your tears would be flowing PUSSY
Textbook Joon! :D
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd
I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ
wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?
you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd
I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ
wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?
you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
Not helping your cause.
whys that?
You can clearly hear my AMERICAN accent
and my I'll flex my awesome WHITE pecs and tris for ya
PRIME WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN AM I
p.s. I am greatly offended to be called a lower Asian race, I'm from the top WHITE Race THE GERMAN ONE 8)
you must be a cock sucking homo fatturdmac
seeing as you got such an obsession with that pic
very very creepy Mr. Wierdo
it would be great fun for me to make you cry in the ring
I wouldn't knock ya out quick with head shots coz I'd much rather humiliate you by making ya cry from my vicious hard rights to that fat ass body of yours
PAP! PAP! PAP!
your tears would be flowing PUSSY
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turdpure joon...
I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ
wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?
you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.
whys that?
You can clearly hear my AMERICAN accent
and my I'll flex my awesome WHITE pecs and tris for ya
PRIME WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN AM I
p.s. I am greatly offended to be called a lower Asian race, I'm from the top WHITE Race THE GERMAN ONE 8)
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.
For Pellius: Mike Mentzer on recovery ability and balanced diet.
you can get stronger without getting bigger
and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.
What about this Pellius:
In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this hypothesis, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is greater in the muscles of bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is more dominant in Olympic weightlifters.[26] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy
Nobody is truly anonymous. The Cyber Police can backtrack them.
Both of you have this strong victim mentality and the law of attraction will follow
I don't have an issue with Mentzer's view on nutrition. I believe in more of Sears 40/30/30 but don't obsess over it. As a result of research, experimentation and trying to keep an open mind my views on protein intake has changed considerably. I remember the days, really not very long ago, where I made it a point to take in 300 grams per day. I can only picture you shaking your head, not so much in surprise, but a bit of pity. Yesterday, I got maybe 60 grams and today closer to 90 grams. I really don't keep track like I use to but getting over 100 grams is a rare heavy eating day. And there's been no difference between my 300g/day versus 80g/day. I mean, I look at guys way bigger than me and carrying more muscle and don't even lift that eat a typical carb rich diet we have. How the hell do gorillas carry so much muscle when they are primarily vegetarians.
BTW, his lecture on recovery and recovery ability directly contradicts your beliefs. The idea of continually training a muscle specifically before it recovers would be anathema to Mike.
How can a victim really and truly want to physically harm a bully ???
I'm not a fan of the social realm but within the physical realm I am completely confident and I thrive very strongly within it
may be because I am very athletic having talent with great quickness coordination and incredible condition and stamina
victims don't have the guts and courage to physically harm their attackers, I do ;)
You're a delusional person, who's too much attached with his ego. It's your lack of self-relativation and false confidence that does the magic.
I don't have an issue with Mentzer's view on nutrition. I believe in more of Sears 40/30/30 but don't obsess over it. As a result of research, experimentation and trying to keep an open mind my views on protein intake has changed considerably. I remember the days, really not very long ago, where I made it a point to take in 300 grams per day. I can only picture you shaking your head, not so much in surprise, but a bit of pity. Yesterday, I got maybe 60 grams and today closer to 90 grams. I really don't keep track like I use to but getting over 100 grams is a rare heavy eating day. And there's been no difference between my 300g/day versus 80g/day. I mean, I look at guys way bigger than me and carrying more muscle and don't even lift that eat a typical carb rich diet we have. How the hell do gorillas carry so much muscle when they are primarily vegetarians.
BTW, his lecture on recovery and recovery ability directly contradicts your beliefs. The idea of continually training a muscle specifically before it recovers would be anathema to Mike.
when you say "the magic" do you mean making me an arrogant douche? If yes then kudos to you
not delusional about my courage though as about 6 weeks ago I had an incident at the club with some ass face at the club who was yapping away and I said your all mouth, let'sgo ooutside and settle this and he declined
but yeah I suppose that my Narcissistic Rage causes my probs, but it is honestly getting better
you give as good as you get tubby
dont dish it out if you cant take it lard ass
For how long are you saying this?
With 'the magic' I refer to attracting bullies.
Let me say something about this pathetic stalker, bigmc. He hasn't contributed one thing to this discussion on hypertrophy. He just attacks people. The internet must be a wonderful thing for some challenged people
because they can be tough and put others down. bigmc of all people can't be serious about asking someone else to post a photo. What the hell is he afraid of? Even when he
was at a club in London with Getbiggers his face was missing from the photos. Big, tough guy for sure.
Yes, bigmc pisses people off. Whatever have I or anyone here done to him? Spell it out. Otherwise he is no different from that mentally ill brute living in Regina. You know, the guy
who called Booty. Turns out Josh had to get off a jet because it freaked him out.
bigmc said he has an important position in his community. He has a security company? He surely doesn't have any shame or integrity, nor does he deserve any respect on this forum.
i just think you are a pompous cu nt
and i dont give a fuck what anyone on here thinks of me you fat cock gobler
the main reason i give you shit is because you accused arnold of rape because he placed you dead last in a contest
thst says everything about the type of person you are
a fat pompous nobody thats main goal in life is to get blue stars on a forum where people give each other shit for a laugh
you dont get it on here and you never will
i have posted pics videos and met up with any get bigger who was in the area
just accept who you are on here and join in with the laighs tubs :-*
vince you monstrously obese simpleton
you posted the arnold story on every forum on the net multiple times
you are a man with no ethical standards
a man whos only claim to fame is he won a contest that he rigged
by picking the judges
you are in no position to cast aspersions on my character you fat old wind bag
now post a link to all these articles you had published
what you
Basile will have on his headstone "All he wanted out of life were Blue Stars"
vince where are articles you claim to have had published
vince where is the evidence your doms theory is more than the pompous ramblings of a morbidly obese idiot
vince post some evidence of any of your claims
you nincompoop
Even the great bigmc declared that this forum was for stirring others and having a laugh. I make a post about Blue Stars and the flotsam are too dense to see that I am having a laugh.
If you ever won a national bodybuilding title you will know that blue stars on a discussion forum mean absolutely nothing....except to dudes like Goodrum.
If you ever won a national bodybuilding title you will know that blue stars on a discussion forum mean absolutely nothing....except to dudes like Goodrum.
Even intelligent people, ourselves included, can overlook things and make mistakes.
Mike never entertained the idea that growth could be continuous. He accepted Selye's stress theory so concluded bodybuilders need more rest to completely recover from hard workouts.
I never considered every third day training as being optimal. Well, we did for many years train 6 days a week, MWF upper body and TThF legs. Sunday off. No wonder we didn't get huge!
I discovered the DOMS method by accident by triggering DOMS when I had been training very hard for several weeks. I was convinced that if one could get the muscles sore he
should grow. Taking it a step further I wondered what would happen if I kept the muscles sore. For me it was an exciting month. I ran to my workouts. The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing. How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout. That was a great month. Since that time I have trained now and then
but never for more than a few workouts. Each workout still generates DOMS. For older guys that is the closest we get to the fountain of youth without additional pharmaceuticals.
I was listening to a fellow talk about the very early days when he had Arthur Jones train him in Deland, Florida. He said the workouts were brutal and not that short. Arthur knew how to get you to go to your very limit. Many guys threw up from the hard training. This guy went outside afterwards and stretched out on the grass to collect his thoughts. We can see that Arthur was getting some of his results not from his Nautilus machines but the brutal way he got people to train. For example, Sergio Oliva trained with Arthur and in 1971-2 was at his peak. For legs Arthur would have them go to the limit on the leg press with a huge weight for 25 reps. Then without resting do leg extensions for 15 reps with another big load. Finally, without rest he would load up the barbell and have them go to the limit for 10 to 15 reps. Sergio followed Casey Viator on a leg workout and when they got to the squats with 405 pounds (4 plates per side) Sergio couldn't get up on the first rep. He did get better and could eventually handle that protocol. Sometimes they would repeat that sequence so imagine how they felt afterwards. That is still a hard way to train today.
"The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing.
How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout."
Really You Grew that quickly during each workout. ::)
Bollocks -- Either you have worded that wrong or it was the pump.
No way you were growing during a workout.
HTH
;)
vince claiming his arms grew an inch every ten days
while he put on 50lbs of fat
and became morbidly obese
thats all the evidence right there folks
Vince claims many things. With not a lot to substantiate his claims.
Mainly Trying to put others down or Stupid childish name calling.
way to go vince.
to be fair to vince
i thought he was the only competitor in 1970
as you can see they wheeled some people in off the street who had never trained
Yes That's good of you to post that in defence of Vince.
some very tough competition for him there.
Just as well the judging was all fair and proper.
;)
the person posting isnt even Vince...
Vince claims many things. With not a lot to substantiate his claims.
Mainly Trying to put others down or Stupid childish name calling.
way to go vince.
the person posting isnt even Vince...
Muscle Builder article about the Mr Canada contest 1970.
that back shot is pretty damn good... is that u?
Hand your blue stars back to Ron, you're done.accused Arnold of rape, youre done....
to my shame i forgot vince has posted this photo as evidence of his two inch arm gain in one month
and he definitely didnt try and make his arm look bigger by angling it closer to the camera
the most impressive thing for me is the bicep peak and snake like veins running through that ripped muscular gun
the main reason i give you shit is because you accused arnold of rape because he placed you dead last in a contest
thst says everything about the type of person you are
vince claiming his arms grew an inch every ten days
while he put on 50lbs of fat
and became morbidly obese
thats all the evidence right there folks
Oh, dear, not even hypertrophy 100 here. The DOMS soreness was welcome. It is delayed until the next day AFTER training. I hope you get this crucial point.
About the pump. Larry Scott said in his seminar at our gym that you always strive to pump your arms, etc., bigger than ever. If you can pump them bigger
from your hard training then you will surely be bigger the next morning. The next day after every arm workout for a month I grew 1/10th of an inch. That is
quite rapid growth.
Vince serious question and if you answered in the past please direct me to the llink
How did you train(sets,reps, split) back when you trained for the Canada's ans when you did the next shows?
Vince you are online yet choose not to answer my question?????
I am curious to know how you built your initial physique which was fantastic and strivable for anyone who is drug free or on small amounts of gear
Bee Pollen ?
Vince serious question and if you answered in the past please direct me to the llink
How did you train(sets,reps, split) back when you trained for the Canada's ans when you did the next shows?
Message to Ron and the moderators. You have long ago lost control of this place.
You can see how serious discussions are dealt with on the gossip forum.....anything goes. So this isn't the place to discuss training.
Just lay it out, what is the deal here Vince? You know you are avoiding the answer just like the other Vince here TBH
shows Vince is chicken to state that volume training built his then awesome physique
Vince you are online yet choose not to answer my question?????
I am curious to know how you built your initial physique which was fantastic and strivable for anyone who is drug free or on small amounts of gear
What a pest. No, I didn't do volume training or HIT. I devised my own protocols based on lots of methods.In response to this post from my own personal experiences, I've encountered the best growth in my arms as a natural using a preacher curl machine, if fo 5 sets of 10 with the first two being warm up sets, then at the end of my entire workout, I'd blast my biceps again with a free weight preacher curl but using extremely light weight for as many reps as possible, around the range of 50-100 reps total. I must start doing that again soon.
Larry Scott impressed me because he was a skinny kid and look how big his arms were as Mr Olympia.
He would train past the pain barrier and did short rep burns. Lots of them.
The principle I followed was to do only enough sets to get a maximum pump. That was it. It worked
out to be 7 or 8 sets which included warm up sets.
Looking back I would say I missed a key element. Volume with the maximum resistance for 15 reps.
Every huge guy had to do something similar to get that size. There might be many different ways to get
there but they go through the hypertrophy tunnel and that is when you are pumped to the max, shaking,
and exhausted. There is no easy way to get big naturally.
In 1970 I did a pyramid building up to the maximum for 6 to 8 reps. Nowadays I would do the max sets
with the same weight and do 5 or 6 of those heaviest sets. That is what triggers hypertrophy. Volume
with a medium/heavy load done to the limit each time. No need to go past failure because you are doing
more sets with the same weight. You have to accumulate sufficient time under tension at high intensity.
The only way to do that is multiple sets with a heavy load. You don't do low reps because you are also
aiming at the pump. So start with 15 to 20 reps for your max set. By the third max set you won't be able
to complete the same number of reps. The idea is to stay above 10 reps. Why? Two reasons. Get the pump
and avoid injuries. People cheat when using the heaviest weights.
I think I did body parts twice a week.
Oh, I did an experiment in 1969 where I did seated side twists with a broom for 20 to 30 minutes a day. Result after
two weeks: Zero reduction in the waist. The muscle magazines were bullshit. I didn't follow the high protein
diet, either. I lost 20 pounds in the last 2 weeks before the contest. I was a lot bigger at 210. I still wasn't that
defined for the competition weighing 190.
That`s a great way to train Vince..........what you recommended with the higher reps for a burning pump.
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Interesting study I just read on high reps training.
http://ergo-log.com/rhabdomyolysis-through-high-reps-strength-training.html
(https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=471911&d=1486988700)
1 of basile photographs .............
:)
No, it's from WSA*
how can i sail around the world if is flat :-\
*Wiggs Space Agency
No, it's fromWSAWFA*
*WiggsSpaceFirmament Agency
Fixed.
According to Wiggs you can't
:-\ :-\ :-\
so :o this watery planet is gone flat ???
Some great stories, Vince. Anyway, if you know anything about the history of the 1980 Olympia ( strange) trophies. Who made them and from what material. Looks somehow strange. I know Zane destroyed his trophy in his room on the walls after the contest.
Paul Graham got the trophies. Can't tell you much about them. We won one for the best support gym. It was about 30 inches high. Paul said there was no time to present it at the contest. Nice one, Paul.
A group of bodybuilders had a meeting at my gym several days after the contest and decided to form a new bb organization. We sent the trophy we won to Chris Dickerson. It read, " To Chris Dickerson,
Mr Olympia 1980 from the bodybuilders of Australia". According to Randy Roach, Chris is proud of that trophy.
Found this photo. Not in good condition. Will look for the negative. Franco put on a seminar at our gym after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest in Sydney. Arnold was there. So was Bev Francis.
Not a good seminar for bodybuilding info but okay for chiropractor demonstrations. Arnold took Bev for a short drive after this photo was taken. I suppose they wanted to know her secret
to being so muscular and strong. Bev was the first woman to bench 300 pounds officially. She also posed at the Mr Olympia 1980 and the crowd gave her lots of applause. We were wondering
how she would be accepted. No worries there at all.
Interesting. I see a T-shirt with a print that promotes Mr Olympia's contest in Australia on him. And in the middle.. Arnold Schwarzenegger. As if they knew that Arnold will compete. ;D
is it the first time this photo is online? Arnold fans would love that fact :)
Yes, as far as I know. Not bad for a thread on Getbig.
to Nailon with a clause allowing me to make copies of the photos if I wanted. Two years ago I asked Robert if he had the negatives and slides. I was at his place with my laptop and scanner.
Nope, everything now belonged to his son Scott who refused to let me make copies. We couldn't find the copy of the contract so Nailon refuses to uphold the agreement.
Why does this photo look shopped?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=723938;image)
Here is the Muscle Digest cover of Arnold winning the 1980 Mr Olympia.
I edited it a bit just now.
Here is the Muscle Digest cover of Arnold winning the 1980 Mr Olympia.
I edited it a bit just now.
Unfortunately, they put the mirror version. That is the right arm, not the left
Why are you editing your original photos? ???
Nailon has my original negatives and slides. All I am doing is editing the copies that I have from covers published by magazines.
In those days they didn't have much ability to colour correct photos. I can do that easier now.
vince
it seem convenient that all the famous photos you claim to have taken
are not backed up by the original negatives
You are a persistent ignoramus and certified dope. Do yourself a favour and refrain from demonstrating your stupidity in my threads.
You are a persistent ignoramus and certified dope. Do yourself a favour and refrain from demonstrating your stupidity in my threads.
Go to the men's public restroom on manly beach. Enter the middle booth and knock three times on the wall on a sunday afternoon. You will receive something, but maybe not what you are asking for.
vince throwing a tantrum will not get us anywhere
its a very reasonable question to ask
can you prove ownership of any of these photos
Vince, can you post some more unseen pics from your collection? The Arnold and Franco pic is incredible.
Here is one of me and my Porsche Carrera RS. I had it painted bright red but there were buff marks so I sold it. Silly me.
I tore my right biceps doing a deadlift with 509 pounds. Had an operation to repair it but not successful. So I tell everyone
not to do heavy deadlifts. Does anyone listen? Nope, dumb as the bells they lift.
What about using double overhand grip instead of mixed grip?
Had an operation to repair it but not successful.
A lot of bodybuilders do deadlifts. I can't see any justification for doing them. Arthur Jones warned that we should develop strength, not demonstrate it.Hmmm, I've been debating on whether or not to stop deadlifting heavy because I saw the horrors of torn biceps in YouTube videos while using the mixed grip. As a natural right now I can deadlift 500, but I'm thinking that's enough for my ego since I really don't want an injury of that magnitude. What would I replace it with?
In other words, if you must do them don't do less than 5 reps. I consider this a dangerous exercise and not only for tearing biceps but for the damage done
to the spine. Same with really heavy squats.
Yes, the double overhand grip is safer for deadlifts. The underhand grip places enormous tension on the biceps. You can tear one of the muscles of the biceps
that does supination. That was a disaster for me since I can't put too much force on that movement when using my biceps-supinator machine.
Did not Dorian tear his bicep in 1994 the same way?
Basile, were you ever driving with an attractive lad in your Porsche, and then you "accidentally" grabbed something else instead of the stick shifter?
Do you realize the majority of your posts are elaborate, homosexual fantasies? ???
That's FF for you. You can write a serious and informative post and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is a gay comment. And not the usual tongue and cheek crack but a detailed thought through gay imagery.
I once posted this pic of Mike and Ray to point out how Ray had a more traditional bbers physique calling attention to the arms and delts of each. The first thought that came to FF is the number of times he imagined they had anal sex.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BquYedW6PQQ/T1yhnWkZOpI/AAAAAAAAANg/Uol_R7yA4c4/s400/mike+mentzer4.jpg)
I finally have my biceps machine at my place. Had a brutal arm workout just now. Arms feel great.
Is this just a one time thing or are you going to actually test your theories on yourself.
BTW, consumed 65 grams of protein today and I survived. Now I know why you were shaking your head at me and my 185 lb pound bod chunging down protein shakes so I can get the magic 300 grams of protein a day.
Is this just a one time thing or are you going to actually test your theories on yourself.
BTW, consumed 65 grams of protein today and I survived. Now I know why you were shaking your head at me and my 185 lb pound bod chunging down protein shakes so I can get the magic 300 grams of protein a day.
Kim
After my arm workout I flexed them in the mirror. I said out loud, "I'll show them!" Always train harder when there is some motivation.
Hmmm, I've been debating on whether or not to stop deadlifting heavy because I saw the horrors of torn biceps in YouTube videos while using the mixed grip. As a natural right now I can deadlift 500, but I'm thinking that's enough for my ego since I really don't want an injury of that magnitude. What would I replace it with?
I still look the same.
Maybe try a hex bar.
Maybe try a hex bar.
Bodybuilders believe things like a religion. Why do dangerous exercises?
You don't have to do so many exercises. Give your body a rest and you might grow again.
how do you get such a great peak on your biceps?
Vince can you tell us the origin of the phrase "What you!"? I remember there being some kind of story behind it
I thought no rest and constant DOMS would make you grow? Now it's get some rest?
I tore my right biceps doing a deadlift with 509 pounds. Had an operation to repair it but not successful. So I tell everyone
not to do heavy deadlifts. Does anyone listen? Nope, dumb as the bells they lift.
Torn biceps from heavy deadlifts is a statistically unlikely scenario. I've never known anybody to suffer it and I know plenty of people who deadlift that and more.
It's dumb to assume that your single experience carries the weight of total avoidance for the rest of the populace.
It could happen to any of us - but it doesn't constitute total avoidance.
You have to consider doing less training overall. That way DOMS training can target some muscles and not the whole body. Most guys do too much and literally can't grow.
is that why you only train arms?
AJ said that the full benefits of squats and deads can be achieved without using more than 3 bills on them
My Dad warned me about lifting heavy weights. I disregarded such advice since my experience proved otherwise. I felt invincible....I considered my muscles could handle heavy loads.
You would think a gym owner, former PE teacher, champion bodybuilder and student of exercise science would be listened to especially with almost 60 years experience training with weights. I see plenty of slender guys doing deadlifts that hardly benefit them at all. They bang the heavy weights on the floor to show people they are strong. They really shouldn't waste time doing such an unproductive exercise.
If we look at the BB who lifted really heavy, eg., Dorian and Ronnie they both tore muscles. That should be a lesson to everyone training hard.
FFS, he should NEVER wear shorts :D
Groink esque... who would take a pic like that? dj's upper body is shredded but the wheels should stay hidden...
Bodybuilders believe things like a religion. Why do dangerous exercises?
You don't have to do so many exercises. Give your body a rest and you might grow again.
Give your body a rest and you might grow again.
Well, your midsection is growing and growing ..................... ::)
"Unproductive" by what gauge? That they are slender? You're forgetting that some of us lift weight because it's great fun to lift heavy and it is literally sport to do so. I know quite a few "slender" guys who are capable of deadlifting far more than what you did and the fact that they are slender doesn't make it pointless - it makes it impressive. They will never be thong warriors, of course - but that isn't their cup of tea (or mine).
As for that "you would think" line, I couldn't disagree more. I think you have a poor attitude and your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. What do I mean by that? I mean by using your singular experience of tearing a muscle (and a few experiences of two professional bodybuilders who probably didn't tear their muscles, deadlifting anyway) to constitute an informed opinion, you're telling me that you are tremendously unscientific and that your words are that of someone who wants to be recognised for his achievements, more than he wants to give good advice.
ive got no problem with powerlifters doing deadlifts in their own powerlifting gyms.
just keep it out of regular gyms, its annoying.
it would be equally annoying with someone setting up conans wheel in the middle of the gym too.
i agree.
i agree.
Both of you are easily offended autistics
stand by for pic of tommy hearns weighting a 150 bills holmes
touche
just mentioned me man Hearns
are you a psychic chief? ? ?
maybe so, but we're not dropping plates.
I guess some guys who can't get big try to impress others with how much they can lift.
I recall all the athletes and weightlifters at UBC who weren't impressed with mere 'mirror athletes'.
Weightlifters don't like bodybuilders because they don't look as strong as the musclemen.
If I can stop even one person from tearing a biceps then that is reward enough. I can't tell you how
upsetting it was to tear my right biceps. Guys like Dorian who did something similar lost more than
just half a biceps.
Is deadlifting banned in your gym vince?
I guess some guys who can't get big try to impress others with how much they can lift.
I recall all the athletes and weightlifters at UBC who weren't impressed with mere 'mirror athletes'.
Weightlifters don't like bodybuilders because they don't look as strong as the musclemen.
If I can stop even one person from tearing a biceps then that is reward enough. I can't tell you how
upsetting it was to tear my right biceps. Guys like Dorian who did something similar lost more than
just half a biceps.
well at least deadlifts are not as dangerous as squats and bench
I've met way more people with shoulder issues from heavy benching than those with back issues from deads.
I'm wondering if that is just because more people try to go hard on the bench.
I personally think the deadlift is wayyy more dangerous for back if you take it to the type of level that people go for bench on.
^^^ how much can you pull chief?
im thinking of incorporating push ups instead of bench for my overall chest development.
I've met way more people with shoulder issues from heavy benching than those with back issues from deads.
x2
Deadlifts actually have the opposite effect for myself (and many others) in that they keep the back pain free, after an extended period without them the niggling pains are unbearable and back feels week and easy to pull something.
im thinking of incorporating push ups instead of bench for my overall chest development.
It's one of the best movements to develop a strong core. Those who never do deads seldom perform alternative such as hyper extensions or glute ham raises. They not only have a weak core, they also lack mid & lower back thickness.
It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert. Seems that everyone is an expert on Getbig.
It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert. Seems that everyone is an expert on Getbig.
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.
When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?
When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?
So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.
Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition
but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still
require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
"philosophers of science".....fucking christ...when you think basile cant be any more full of shit he pulls a jewel like that one.
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.
When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?
When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?
So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.
Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition
but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still
require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
Lol. Geez, you're so upset that you didn't make a substantial impact in the bodybuilding industry that you need to proclaim yourself a "scientist."
Damn, this is rather sad.
I don't claim any such thing. I have a masters degree where I specialized in the philosophy of science.
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.
When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?
When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?
So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.
Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition
but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still
require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.
When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?
When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?
So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.
Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition
but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still
require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.
When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?
When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?
So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.
Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition
but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still
require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
I think over coming plateaus is the hardest part of bodybuilding. I recently started training again after an extended lay off and to begin with my muscles responded tremendously well to actually very little stimulus. I appreciate this is always the way and putting on 'old' muscle is much easier than creating 'new' muscle. It is only as the weeks turn to months and your training becomes longer and harder that ironically the results start to dwindle. This can create a mental hurdle where it is hard to motivate oneself to perform an agonisingly brutal work-out for what appears very little pay off.
Ideas to motivate and keep yourself fresh and invigorated are the keys to consistency and continual progress.
^^^ AJ claimed the exact same thing
^^^ hahaha
his legs are too good for mine
anyways, i've started up a torso size blast and things are going very very well indeed ;)
my chest and lats are blowing up
KA-PAP!!!!
my prized pecs are my best bodypart and they are coming back in full force chief-o 8)
i'll post up pics of my prized torso soon enough jonesy
^^^^ well my real life experience indicates otherwise so keep telling yourself that to make you feel better fatty
One of the things few bodybuilders consider is to cut down on what they are doing. Why train the whole body twice a week? Pick two body parts and try to make them grow.
Don't worry about the rest because they will benefit from the brutal growth producing workouts. Train them for 2 to 3 weeks then change to other parts.
Most trainees believe you have to train all muscles each week or they will atrophy. Not true. I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body. ]
ROFL
One of the things few bodybuilders consider is to cut down on what they are doing. Why train the whole body twice a week? Pick two body parts and try to make them grow.
Don't worry about the rest because they will benefit from the brutal growth producing workouts. Train them for 2 to 3 weeks then change to other parts.
Most trainees believe you have to train all muscles each week or they will atrophy. Not true. I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body.
So a set of reverse wrist curls will build a broad, thick powerful back?
AJ claimed is was so as the indirect effect as he called it
I was able to add size to my arms at one point by Training them only, but I added nothing to my chest or back
so it didn't work lke that for me
I'd say you need direct stimulation
now watch for that shitstain fat turd mac to post that same dumbass pic of me and never post any of my true muscle shots
he even tries to claim they arent me, what a turd he is lol
yeah make sense.
train biceps to maintain leg size.
My friends say that I'm gay because I don't like football. What a bunch of idiots. I'm gay because I like cock.
yeah make sense.
train biceps to maintain leg size.
Vince said: "training only arms stimulated my whole upper body", not that this made sense ::)
Vince said: "training only arms stimulated my whole upper body", not that this made sense ::)
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.
That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.
My friends say that I'm gay because I don't like football. What a bunch of idiots. I'm gay because I like cock.
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.
That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.
This makes more sense. This co-effect would prob be stronger when you train a large body part such as legs or back (higher GH response).
how come pro bodybuilders who trained at golds and vince gym got huge and non bodybuilders who train at planet fitness doenst? is that the question?
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be
heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.
I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine
muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.
So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.
Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.
Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.
What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.
That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.
Like you said, multiple factors. I see plenty of gifted guys around me, so that's not the main reason. However, most guys simply don't train hard enough, don't eat enough and don't sleep enough.
Society has changed has well. Hardcore bodybuilding became less popular, but the men's physique class became very popular in a short time span. Just visit a show these days, and you know what I mean.
You could be right. Arthur Jones trained the very top bodybuilders like Sergio and what workouts he prescribed for them. Sergio said he was at his peak training with Arthur. When he returned to Chicago
he didn't keep training that way because his gym didn't have those Nautilus machines.
you don't mean training with "those machines" you mean more like he wasn't able to apply that kind of Jonesian intensity
as I said before my torso is blowing up and I will post pics soon to show my outstanding progress
I did this program some years back as prescribed by my friend Dr. JM Blakey and I put on over 4 inches on my torso in 6 weeks time
FACT
^^^^ can't wait to post up th new pics
make you look even worse fatty ;)
why don't we have a physique comparison?
but you'll never agree to it coz you know my physique would completely annihilate yours lol
sorry bra is this one better
you know when you posted your awesome wheels
yes physique comparison is a good idea
first pic us both standing in normal lighting in clothes
a newer version of the pic i keep posting of you cause im guessing you still look like a skinny twink
unless you take a real close up in perfect lighting ;)
you first
mother-fucking-deal!!!
I'll post these pics up front and back, as my back has a V-taper which is TOP NOTCH
pics in 4-6 weeks after I finish this torso blast
FYI I am drug free 8)your pics clearly demonstrate that
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be
heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.
I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine
muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.
So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.
Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.
Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.
What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?
Roids - wo roids like yourself - it was all a mirage. Fake bs. nothing to show for anything otherwise.
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be
heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.
I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine
muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.
So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.
Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.
Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.
What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?
They all have anabolic steroids in common.
You are smarter than this... ::)
Steve Reeves had a nice physique but not big like those you listed
"Look upon my works, ye mortals, and despair!"
< one of my photoshops. Simple, but effective message :)
I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body.
you do some good work
vince seems to think he is comparable to sergio and steve reeves
doesnt lack confidence
thanks. I am no ironmeister, but I get a good idea for a photoshop once in a while. :)
vince had the chance to go head to head against me in a debate
but he chose to back out like a coward and instead
begged joon for money to pay to have me attacked
what a cowardly act from the ageing wind bag
What a pity you don't have any idea how dense you are. On the other hand maybe that is a blessing.
What a pity you don't have any idea how dense you are. On the other hand maybe that is a blessing.
So if you get the Blue Stars will your general attitude towards other members lighten up a bit?
Basile, do you have a lady friend you are feeding these days? We know you like obese women. What was the name of that fat chick forum you used to post at?
Arnold posing at Tony's Gym in Sydney in 1974
Vince , you modified the picture ? This appears as the original with different mirrors in the background.
god damn mobile won't let me post my relaxed starting lat pic
so ill go to cafe and get it up on here
ya all will see what strong genetic and smart training can do
my lats will blow up very nicely in 4 weeks time and y'all will see it occur
OH YEAH!! 1!! 1!!! €
starting lat pics don't look to bad honestly
very, very good V-taper even now, but..... it will get even better
4 weeks, BABY!!!! 4 mo-fo weeks ;)
GERMAN/WASP genetics ftmfw!!!!!!
why wont you show your face
coz I'm sick of hearing shit about it
btw, I may throw my wheels into this size blast, but quite honestly I still wanna make sure that I can fit into my stylish amd coolass black skinny jeans 8)
coz I'm sick of hearing shit about it
btw, I may throw my wheels into this size blast, but quite honestly I still wanna make sure that I can fit into my stylish amd coolass black skinny jeans 8)
Chick I used to know called Qtips 'ear sticks.' Dutchies.
Chick I used to know called Qtips 'ear sticks.' Dutchies.
starting lat pics don't look to bad honestly
very, very good V-taper even now, but..... it will get even better
4 weeks, BABY!!!! 4 mo-fo weeks ;)
GERMAN/WASP genetics ftmfw!!!!!!
Dumb bitch, one should never put those sticks into the ears.
Why are you wearing a tank top? If you are going to show your back then show your back. Show them. Show them the whole thing.
Dumb bitch, one should never put those sticks into the ears.
that's a sting tank brosef, and it shows nearly all of my upper back and lats which is what I'm focusing upon
you will see VERY GOOD AND STRONG PROGRESS in 4 weeks
guaran-goddamn-teed
and tape, you're a good dude and very funny to boot, a tip of the hat to you sir
you look like shit
x;D
and tape, you're a good dude and very funny to boot, a tip of the hat to you sir