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Title: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 12:25:30 AM
I deserve Blue Stars.

That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.

I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lower the arm on the right.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Mitch on April 13, 2017, 01:03:32 AM
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Post by: falco on April 13, 2017, 01:07:47 AM
Gimmick entrance of the year.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 01:22:27 AM
Gimmick entrance of the year.

I don't use gimmicks so STFU!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Henda on April 13, 2017, 01:32:58 AM
Welcome back Vince you fat old bastard
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Post by: Tapeworm on April 13, 2017, 01:39:15 AM
For my edification I was re-reading your post history the other week and all of your posts had blue stars.  I guess Admin took it personally that you didn't care enough to log in so he removed them.  :(

Oh well.  Spilt milk.  You still hiking and clicking?  What new photos you got to show off, V?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 13, 2017, 02:14:14 AM
welcome back old man

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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 02:17:01 AM
For my edification I was re-reading your post history the other week and all of your posts had blue stars.  I guess Admin took it personally that you didn't care enough to log in so he removed them.  :(

Oh well.  Spilt milk.  You still hiking and clicking?  What new photos you got to show off, V?

I never got the blue stars. What I did for a while was put blue stars in my avatar.

I am still taking photos and occasionally climbing hills with a heavy back pack of lenses.

I finished modifying my biceps supinator and it works better than ever. More user friendly and fewer adjustments. I  installed it in my gym at Melrose Park in Sydney. We had to move again as they tore down the building.


Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on April 13, 2017, 02:18:11 AM
Give vince his stars
The other loser Vince should have his removed imo
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: K A N N I B A L on April 13, 2017, 02:19:35 AM
I never got the blue stars. What I did for a while was put blue stars in my avatar.

I am still taking photos and occasionally climbing hills with a heavy back pack of lenses.

I finished modifying my biceps supinator and it works better than ever. More user friendly and fewer adjustments. I  installed it in my gym at Melrose Park in Sydney. We had to move again as they tore down the building.




Congrats on hitting 10K
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 02:22:48 AM
Congrats on hitting 10K

Almost as high an honour as winning Mr North Vancouver in 1964!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on April 13, 2017, 02:28:03 AM
I deserve Blue Stars.

That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.

I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.



are you still white knighting Karen ?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: TheShape. on April 13, 2017, 02:58:14 AM
Welcome back Vince!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Irongrip400 on April 13, 2017, 03:41:26 AM
I started the thread that finally got Quad V his blue stars. FACT!

You want those blue stars, you gotta come through me!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Dave D on April 13, 2017, 04:05:48 AM
I'm not sure this is Vince

He would not make fun out a show he competed in/won.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
I'm not sure this is Vince

He would not make fun out a show he competed in/won.

Why not, I was the only guy from North Vancouver so who did I beat?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 13, 2017, 05:36:35 AM
Gimmick entrance of the year.

It wasn't that hard to figure out his password "bluestars"
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Grape Ape on April 13, 2017, 05:40:32 AM
Why not, I was the only guy from North Vancouver so who did I beat?

VERY un-vince like post.

Pic of upside down cup on supinator machine please.

With a kangaroo
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Nails on April 13, 2017, 05:48:07 AM
Just releaed from prison?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Nails on April 13, 2017, 05:50:24 AM
Maybe he took booty on a trip to mexico


are you still white knighting Karen ?


Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:30:00 AM
Maybe he took booty on a trip to mexico




Never met or talked to Booty. She lives up north a long way from Sydney.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Kwon on April 13, 2017, 06:33:54 AM
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:45:11 AM
VERY un-vince like post.

Pic of upside down cup on supinator machine please.

With a kangaroo

LOL. As if I have to prove who I am to Grape Apes!

New, smaller gym. Have another room for cardio machines and also upstairs there is a light training area plus a stretching area. Coach would be jealous.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 13, 2017, 06:45:52 AM
The flotsam in here needs a clearing, vince
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:48:15 AM
The flotsam in here needs a clearing, vince

When guys like Wiggs maintains that the earth is flat what hope is there for the Flotsam?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Grape Ape on April 13, 2017, 06:49:58 AM
LOL. As if I have to prove who I am to Grape Apes!

New, smaller gym. Have another room for cardio machines and also upstairs there is a light training area plus a stretching area. Coach would be jealous.

No cup, no kangaroo, no validation.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
Guess what machine this is?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 13, 2017, 07:11:55 AM
Guess what machine this is?

A flotsam supplinator?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on April 13, 2017, 07:12:08 AM
Welcome back Vince.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Meta-physical on April 13, 2017, 07:20:17 AM
Dear Vincent,

'Starry, Starry night
Paint your palette blue and grey
Look out on a summer's day
With eyes that know the
Darkness in my soul.'

As an elected member of the Blue Stars Council (BSC), I want you to know that I understand the pain you are going through, and we have spent a significant amount of time in the 'competitors' thread (members only) assiduously deliberating over your request for the coveted award. However, we regret to inform you that we have decided to uphold the decision to deny you blue stars on the basis that you simply do not deserve them. Your physique just didn't 'cut the mustard', so to speak. We understand that you will no doubt be disappointed to hear this, but for what it's worth I have successfully fought to have you awarded the stars posthumously. I hope you find peace in knowing this. You will have your blue stars in the very near future, and we will celebrate for you in your absence.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 13, 2017, 07:31:24 AM
LOL. As if I have to prove who I am to Grape Apes!

New, smaller gym. Have another room for cardio machines and also upstairs there is a light training area plus a stretching area. Coach would be jealous.

Vince is 75yo. He doesnt lift anymore slick.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: JimmyJam1974 on April 13, 2017, 07:43:46 AM
A flotsam supplinator?
Good guess
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
Vince is 75yo. He doesnt lift anymore slick.

I am still 74. Trained arms a bit last night. Discovered a machine in the gym made by Life Fitness years ago didn't have the pivot points in the right place. A biceps machine.

I am modifying that machine now. Too many engineers have no clue about exercise because they don't train. How can they adequately test the machines?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 07:53:03 AM
Dear Vincent,

'Starry, Starry night
Paint your palette blue and grey
Look out on a summer's day
With eyes that know the
Darkness in my soul.'

As an elected member of the Blue Stars Council (BSC), I want you to know that I understand the pain you are going through, and we have spent a significant amount of time in the 'competitors' thread (members only) assiduously deliberating over your request for the coveted award. However, we regret to inform you that we have decided to uphold the decision to deny you blue stars on the basis that you simply do not deserve them. Your physique just didn't 'cut the mustard', so to speak. We understand that you will no doubt be disappointed to hear this, but for what it's worth I have successfully fought to have you awarded the stars posthumously. I hope you find peace in knowing this. You will have your blue stars in the very near future, and we will celebrate for you in your absence.


Well written but clearly missing the point. Ron stated that he wouldn't give me blue stars because I competed too long ago. This is patent age discrimination and an ugly travesty to all participants of this forum.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Ugly on April 13, 2017, 08:00:57 AM
For my edification I was re-reading your post history the other week and all of your posts had blue stars.  I guess Admin took it personally that you didn't care enough to log in so he removed them.  :(

Oh well.  Spilt milk. 

Clever, but he missed it.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 13, 2017, 08:14:29 AM
I deserve Blue Stars.

That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.

I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.




Its now Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HHP,  You will stand for it and like it.  Honestly, I'm surprised that you're not gloating that my company went out of business last year. But welcome back.   ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 08:18:50 AM

Its now Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HHP,  You will stand for it and like it.  Honestly, I'm surprised that you're not gloating that my company went out of business last year. But welcome back.   ;D

 All that bullshitting about your successful businesses. You well know that success in business isn't easy and also difficult to sustain. 
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 13, 2017, 08:28:48 AM
All that bullshitting about your successful businesses. You well know that success in business isn't easy and also difficult to sustain.  


I think 15 years is a good run in selling supplements and exercise equipment online.  Can't control what happens to vendors.  Besides, my medical equipment business is still making money and I have blue stars so it doesn't matter
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 08:42:12 AM

I think 15 years is a good run in selling supplements and exercise equipment online.  Can't control what happens to vendors.  Besides, my medical equipment business is still making money and I have blue stars so it doesn't matter



Good for you, Melvin. You forget that I campaigned for your Blue Stars. They don't interest me because I won contests. I don't need things in my avatar to make me feel good. Fun shit stirring others, though!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 13, 2017, 08:52:24 AM
You are really putting an effort on this one.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Ugly on April 13, 2017, 08:54:23 AM


Good for you, Melvin. You forget that I campaigned for your Blue Stars. They don't interest me because I won contests. I don't need things in my avatar to make me feel good. Fun shit stirring others, though!

The ol' petition-for-stuff-I-don't-want trick. Works nevery time.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 13, 2017, 09:11:17 AM


Good for you, Melvin. You forget that I campaigned for your Blue Stars. They don't interest me because I won contests. I don't need things in my avatar to make me feel good. Fun shit stirring others, though!


Its not the trophy you want....its the acknowledgement that you were a bodybuilding competitor that you crave....a confirmation of your career.  You know you want those blue stars or you wouldn't have created this thread.


This is a contest that you can't select your judges for.... ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 13, 2017, 09:15:18 AM
Give him the stars already.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Princess L on April 13, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Well written but clearly missing the point. Ron stated that he wouldn't give me blue stars because I competed too long ago. This is patent age discrimination and an ugly travesty to all participants of this forum.



That's a lame excuse IF that's the only reason.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 09:42:38 AM

Its not the trophy you want....its the acknowledgement that you were a bodybuilding competitor that you crave....a confirmation of your career.  You know you want those blue stars or you wouldn't have created this thread.


This is a contest that you can't select your judges for.... ;D

Ah, the gloves are off already!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 13, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
That's a lame excuse IF that's the only reason.




No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob.  If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Meta-physical on April 13, 2017, 09:53:38 AM

No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob.  If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
If only Derek Anthony thought the same...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Kwon on April 13, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
Give him the Stars already!


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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on April 13, 2017, 10:14:46 AM

No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob.  If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
shut your fucking mouth you worthless sack of shit-your stars should be removed
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 10:19:24 AM

No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob.  If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit

I will say it again, Bob Chick is an IFBB stooge of monumental proportions.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: chaos on April 13, 2017, 10:46:08 AM
Interesting how Vince and another account both reappear on the same day. :D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: funk51 on April 13, 2017, 12:03:08 PM
Guess what machine this is?
:o :o :o :o
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Post by: dseiler on April 13, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
At the very least, I have one hell of a nostalgic chubby.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 13, 2017, 12:18:49 PM
I deserve Blue Stars.

That buffoon, Vince G CSN MFT BS, got blue stars so where are mine? This is a brutal injustice that I won't stand for.

I edited Sergio's photo to make the pose better. Had to lift the arm on the left.


Vince, can Getbig hire a man to have buttsex with you and film it?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Mitch on April 13, 2017, 12:28:54 PM

I think 15 years is a good run in selling supplements and exercise equipment online.  Can't control what happens to vendors.  Besides, my medical equipment business is still making money and I have blue stars so it doesn't matter

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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 13, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Hey "vince" what about the cornutto beef you had. Was it true?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: hench on April 13, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
I don't know why this is even debated, Vince competed,  he should have blue stars, simple as that
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Dave D on April 13, 2017, 02:56:13 PM
It's not really Vince, but it is a valiant effort.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: TheShape. on April 13, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
:o :o :o :o
Great, great movie.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
It's not really Vince, but it is a valiant effort.

LOL. And you are Dave who? What you?

The next guy who modifies a photo to embarrass or humiliate me is a dead man!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Nails on April 13, 2017, 05:07:27 PM

 :D


LOL. And you are Dave who? What you?

The next guy who modifies a photo to embarrass or humiliate me is a dead man!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: irishdave on April 13, 2017, 05:16:02 PM

No, the truth is that Vince has bashed the IFBB, Jim Manion, Bob Chick...especially Bob.  If you were trashing one of my good friends, I wouldn't give you spit
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:23:50 PM
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black

Vince G CSN MFT PhD isn't a dope, a buffoon yes, but not stupid.

The question remains...why would anyone want to impersonate me?

What you.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Interesting how Vince and another account both reappear on the same day. :D

I often wonder why Ron would appoint a true knucklehead as a moderator!

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Dave D on April 13, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
how are you so utterly stupid that you can't tell it's a gimmick? Oh yeah you're black

Irishdave is back too?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Dave D on April 13, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
LOL. And you are Dave who? What you?

The next guy who modifies a photo to embarrass or humiliate me is a dead man!

I'm just a concerned getbig citizen.


You could prove me wrong by posting the pic we require. But you won't find that pic Junior.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 13, 2017, 05:42:24 PM
written by ironmeister and FitnessFrenzy.


One night, after a few too many glasses of cheap red wine from Aldi, Basile decides to test out his new biceps supinator exo-skeleton suit, which is a machine he has nicknamed "Mona".

As Basile painfully gets up from his dirty kitchen chair, he takes a screw wrench in his shaking hand and slowly walks into the living room. On the dusty shelf stands a replica of the Sandow statue and some wrinkled, wet magazines with men of an erotic nature. It is good that Getbig never asks about a love life or a wife  … "only gay, if you want it to be" he thinks to himself.

Further into the living room, he sees the machine that he has been working on for so long. Mona, the machine, looks magnificent. There are blue stars on the side of the machine, which he has carved out from lapis lazuli.

Still a little drunk from the cheap red wine, Basile sits down into the heavily modified biceps supinator, which is now more like a real powered exoskeleton. As he slowly sits down into the machine, a visor folds down onto his face. As Mona starts up, Basile starts the voice command. "Load Getbig, Gossip & Opinions", he tells Mona. Wearing the exoskeleton, Basile looks like a kind of old rusty terminator.
As Getbig is starting up on Basile's LCD head visor, Mona says to him: "Master, there is an incoming call". "Who is it from, Basile says?". Mona replies. "I can't see, but the call is from Regina, Saskatchewan". Basile then says: "notify the Canadian police". Fucking Avesher, he says to himself.

When Getbig finally loads, Basile posts in a few shitty threads as usual and desperately tries to prove once again his long ago forgotten achievements in the bodybuilding scene.
Mona then comes with a warning: "Master, ironmeister is now online". "Launch a few gimmick attacks at this vile scum", Basile says nervously.

After bashing Goodrum and being owned by a few tiny tits on Getbig, Basile stands up in the exoskeleton suit, which has powered hydraulics to help him move around. He then exits his house and tells Mona to prepare the jet thrusts. As the thrust begins to fire up, Basile flies up in the skies like Iron Man. As he flies over Manly beach, he is reminded of the apartment, he once had, that he should never have sold. Arnold's dried up cum is still hidden somewhere in that apartment.

Suddenly, the thrusters break down and Basile realizes that he only has a few seconds left to live. Grasping his 15.1 inch chubby arm, he visualizes for the last time the moment he measured the mighty guns of the oak…then he hit's Sydney's hard asphalt and feels his dentures going through his brain…then all turns black.

"Flotsam and jetsam", "wake up, Vince" a soft voice sounds in the utter blackness. Basile opens his heavy eyes and looks into a white room without walls. A man in a bunny suit is sitting in front of him…"welcome to heaven son", Jesus says. Basile rubs his eyes in amazement and says "is Nasser here?, is Oliva already here?" Bunny Jesus smiles and does not answer. He points his finger towards a white house and a garden situated in the horizon. 

After a long walk Basile finally reaches the beautiful house and knocks on the door. The door opens and Ron smiles at him…"Welcome Basile, I have something for you". He turns and walks to the table in the center of the room…Basile follows him until suddenly he stops and freezes in awe.
Blue shiny stars are standing on the table…"a lifetime award for the oldest Getbigger". Basile takes a big breath and shakes his head " finally after all those years"…a tear is sliding down his cheek.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:43:51 PM
I'm just a concerned getbig citizen.


You could prove me wrong by posting the pic we require. But you won't find that pic Junior.

I talked to Uncle Junior on the phone a couple of times. Okay there but then he turned against me and sided with that bona fide jerk Bigmc.

He doesn't have the wit or vocabulary to impersonate me.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Nether Animal on April 13, 2017, 05:44:58 PM
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 13, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Wiggs on April 13, 2017, 05:57:55 PM
When guys like Wiggs maintains that the earth is flat what hope is there for the Flotsam?

Take your old ass back to the crypt where whence you came moron.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:17:00 PM
Take your old ass back to the crypt where whence you came moron.

Wiggstein, you really are a dumb f#$%. I shake my head that dopes like you have absolutely no shame.

Shake your sorry head and dispose of that rubbish about Christ. He didn't exist. That is what is a sham, not the shape of the earth.

I haven't met an intelligent truther yet. You believe in so much rubbish that there is now no way out and you are trapped in your

own cesspool of ignorance.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Wiggs on April 13, 2017, 06:24:46 PM
Wiggstein, you really are a dumb f#$%. I shake my head that dopes like you have absolutely no shame.

Shake your sorry head and dispose of that rubbish about Christ. He didn't exist. That is what is a sham, not the shape of the earth.

I haven't met an intelligent truther yet. You believe in so much rubbish that there is now no way out and you are trapped in your

own cesspool of ignorance.




You don't matter.  The end.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
You know folks, Goodrum really is something else. The guy is oblivious that he isn't that smart. Sometimes that helps in life.

I remember when he posted that he was the wife in his public affair. Now it is one thing to be gay on Getbig but who else would

reveal her position. The guy is a lowlife and borders on being evil. I mean, why would he try to tarnish my name by suggesting

that I am also gay and interested in young lads? If someone is gay does that mean it is an insult to be known as that?

He lashes out at me because I am a known individual whereas all the shit that he receives here goes unpunished. Onlyme and

myself tried to keep the bullshitter in check to no avail. He has sufficient intelligence to think up new ways to get noticed around here.

All his threads end up the same way so he is the board fool and fall guy.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:29:42 PM

You don't matter.  The end.

Wiggs, I will debate you anytime. I don't think you ever recovered from being dumped by a white gal. You obviously need some coaching in dealing with the opposite sex.

What a pity that Jesus didn't save you. Did you complete your training to become a nurse?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SF1900 on April 13, 2017, 07:28:25 PM
Mr. Basile,

I missed you very much so.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 07:42:54 PM
Mr. Basile,

I missed you very much so.

Not at all interested. No homo!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: BB on April 13, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
Wiggs, I will debate you anytime. I don't think you ever recovered from being dumped by a white gal. You obviously need some coaching in dealing with the opposite sex.

Oh, snap Wiggs, I think he just call your dick game weak and unimpressive to the wimmenz :(.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Ugly on April 13, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Interesting how Vince and another account both reappear on the same day. :D

Who else?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SF1900 on April 13, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
Not at all interested. No homo!

Mr. Basile,

Have you modified the bicep supination machine?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Skeletor on April 13, 2017, 08:29:30 PM
Who else?

Dat dere fella. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 08:54:26 PM
Mr. Basile,

Have you modified the bicep supination machine?

Absolutely. My standard for gym equipment is Getbig proof. In other words, if the muscleheads don't use it then it isn't up to scratch.

As with any invention there has to be modifications after people try it out. There have been several major changes since I first built

the machine by myself back in 2001. I changed angles, the position of two pulleys and removed some pads that were behind the arms.

My son Zorba explained that they weren't necessary and impeded some guys with big arms. I even listened to Goodrum and changed

the colour from magenta to silver. No homo! The latest modification enabled the user to start from a lower bottom position just like you

would doing seated dumbbells. I am afraid that most guys who do bodybuilding are brainwashed re favouring free weights. I would love a gym

with no barbells or dumbbells. The bodybuilders are sufficient there. They do whatever the big guys do in the magazines. Amazing

how training is transmitted and embraced around the world. That is why most guys have no clue about getting big. Reasonably intelligent

Matt Canning has no clue whatever and he ran a forum on bodybuilding. He isn't an expert and what he does testifies to my assessment.

Like, why would a little guy participate in strongman contests? He forgets that Franco almost ruined his career competing in those silly contests.

So what if you can lift a heavy weight. Leave that kind of showing off to the big guys who don't care what they look life. If you want to impress

with your physique then for heaven's sake figure out how to get big. The trouble is that too many guys figure they know what to do but fail to

get decent size. Then they blame the fact that they don't take steroids. When they do and still fail to get big they say they don't have the genetics.

Matt has good delts. If he can make them grow what about the rest of him? If he can figure that one out he might get somewhere. Unfortunately

he will continue doing similar things to no avail. Maybe he will become a writer for a magazine?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Ugly on April 13, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
Dat dere fella. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile)


Not helpful, bro. Damn you to Hades.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 13, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Dear Ron, whether Basils account has been hacked or not. Give him mine just to shut him or his gimmick up. He's like 98, give him his dying wish.....to have blue stars on Getbig.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
Dear Ron, whether Basils account has been hacked or not. Give him mine just to shut him or his gimmick up. He's like 98, give him his dying wish.....to have blue stars on Getbig.

I respect what you achieved in bodybuilding. However, on Getbig you get bagged all the time for what you believe and post.

Anyone with average intelligence should know that it is indeed me who is posting here. I don't tell anyone here to shut up. We can all

post what we like but few accept responsibility for our views like known individuals.

You entered contests and did well. If you didn't have blue stars would you cry to Ron? Hell no, they are just a gimmick here to make guys like Goodrum feel superior.

All the trophies and titles don't make anyone a real man. That takes character and having an ethical nature.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 13, 2017, 09:46:07 PM
I respect what you achieved in bodybuilding. However, on Getbig you get bagged all the time for what you believe and post.

Anyone with average intelligence should know that it is indeed me who is posting here. I don't tell anyone here to shut up. We can all

post what we like but few accept responsibility for our views like known individuals.

You entered contests and did well. If you didn't have blue stars would you cry to Ron? Hell no, they are just a gimmick here to make guys like Goodrum feel superior.

All the trophies and titles don't make anyone a real man. That takes character and having an ethical nature.

Only when it comes to politics. Not many argue training or diet with me except you when it comes to your convoluted theory on hypertrophy.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 09:56:52 PM
Only when it comes to politics. Not many argue training or diet with me except you when it comes to your convoluted theory on hypertrophy.

We never had a debate about hypertrophy. You dogmatically rejected what I posted because you assumed that you were right and I was wrong.

I never did read what your theory is. Nobody here has come close to falsifying my DOMS theory. Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 13, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Wiggs, I will debate you anytime. I don't think you ever recovered from being dumped by a white gal. You obviously need some coaching in dealing with the opposite sex.

What a pity that Jesus didn't save you. Did you complete your training to become a nurse?

Vince, I've heard from a reputable source that the hookers Joon used to pay for would fist him until he got his rocks off.

What's the maximum "you" would pay for such an act?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Ugly on April 13, 2017, 11:18:50 PM
I respect what you achieved in bodybuilding. However, on Getbig you get bagged all the time for what you believe and post.

Anyone with average intelligence should know that it is indeed me who is posting here. I don't tell anyone here to shut up. We can all

post what we like but few accept responsibility for our views like known individuals.

You entered contests and did well. If you didn't have blue stars would you cry to Ron? Hell no, they are just a gimmick here to make guys like Goodrum me feel superior butthurt.

All the trophies and titles don't make anyone a real man. That takes character and having an ethical nature.

Yes.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 13, 2017, 11:28:55 PM
Not at all interested. No homo!

What if he shaved his manhood?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 13, 2017, 11:34:49 PM
You know folks, Goodrum really is something else. The guy is oblivious that he isn't that smart. Sometimes that helps in life.

I remember when he posted that he was the wife in his public affair. Now it is one thing to be gay on Getbig but who else would

reveal her position. The guy is a lowlife and borders on being evil. I mean, why would he try to tarnish my name by suggesting

that I am also gay and interested in young lads? If someone is gay does that mean it is an insult to be known as that?

He lashes out at me because I am a known individual whereas all the shit that he receives here goes unpunished. Onlyme and

myself tried to keep the bullshitter in check to no avail. He has sufficient intelligence to think up new ways to get noticed around here.

All his threads end up the same way so he is the board fool and fall guy.


You're free to say what you want but I won a long time ago against you as well as Onlyme.  I own so much real estate in your head    ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 11:38:24 PM

You're free to say what you want but I won a long time ago against you as well as Onlyme.  I own so much real estate in your head    ;D


You are delusional beyond belief. Souls like you are a gift to the world. People can look upon you and instantly feel good about themselves!

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 14, 2017, 12:33:40 AM
I think this issue festers because, like all festering issues, it hasn't been directly address and the standards clearly defined. I always thought that competing in a legit BBing show qualifies you for blue stars. I never put much stock in this recognition but as time has gone by I do recognize that it is not an easy thing to do to get on stage. It takes some amount courage or a bit of blind delusion. Both qualities I would like to see recognize.

Obviously, if the standard is being a competitor then Basile clearly qualifies. If there is some age difference or minimum year requirement it should be plainly stated. I believe Basile competed into the early 70s. It would be a bit of a travesty if competing in the 70s and even the sixties is considered too long ago. Would Larry Scott and Bill Pearl not merit blue stars?

There is another issue brought up that I suspect might be more of the reason for Basile being ignored. That being his heavy criticism of the IFBB, Bob Chic and the industry as a whole. If that is the case it should simply be stated plainly. That you qualify for blues stars if you had competed in a legit contest and that you do not criticize the IFBB, it's representatives arbitrarily decided on, and the industry in general. And that also that Ron personally does not dislike you.

Of course this might diminish the recognition as it is partly determined by an arbitrary subjective evaluation.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 14, 2017, 12:44:14 AM
Any acdc stories Vince?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 14, 2017, 12:47:08 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721045;image)

Awesome pic of coach.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 14, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
just because the competition basille won was rigged as he picked the judges etc

means he should maybe be given some light blue stars

sort of in recognition but also acknowledging the foul play

which cannot be ignored
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 12:55:16 AM
Pellius makes some good points as usual.

Here is a thread I started in 2014. Should bring a laugh to intelligent people but not Coach or Goodrum.


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=540997.0
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 12:56:03 AM
just because the competition basille won was rigged as he picked the judges etc

means he should maybe be given some light blue stars

sort of in recognition but also acknowledging the foul play

which cannot be ignored

Ah, the board asshole has arrived.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 14, 2017, 01:20:06 AM
Basile, would you consider yourself worthy of Goodrum's "Homewrecker" aka the "Kielbasa"

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 14, 2017, 01:36:31 AM
Ah, the board asshole has arrived.

very humble of you

welcome back asshole  :-*
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 01:48:01 AM
Basile, would you consider yourself worthy of Goodrum's "Homewrecker" aka the "Kielbasa"



Goodrum is a peculiar guy. He is the sheila in a relationship if he can find one. The story he told about that guy in a restaurant is rather pathetic.

It is one thing to do something and quite another to post your sordid accomplishments on Getbig for everyone to see. I swear Goodrum is devoid of

any shame.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 01:58:38 AM
very humble of you

welcome back asshole  :-*

Everyone feels safe with the board sheriff here. Well done.

Meta-physical summed you up in the photo below.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 14, 2017, 02:08:00 AM
Everyone feels safe with the board sheriff here. Well done.

Meta-physical summed you up in the photo below.

vince im on your side

i believe you should get the stars

they should just be a lighter blue

due to the cheating involved
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: johnny1 on April 14, 2017, 02:16:16 AM
Good too see you back Vince awesome work with the photos the FDB of Sergio looks incredible  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 02:26:46 AM
Good too see you back Vince awesome work with the photos the FDB of Sergio looks incredible  :o :o :o


Thanks, Johnny, I spent a day editing that photo. Had to get it right. That is probably the greatest bodybuilding photo ever taken.

Photo by Inge, Arthur Jones' wife.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dseiler on April 14, 2017, 06:51:02 AM
We never had a debate about hypertrophy. You dogmatically rejected what I posted because you assumed that you were right and I was wrong.

I never did read what your theory is. Nobody here has come close to falsifying my DOMS theory. Hope this helps.



DOMS Theory? What's that?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: chaos on April 14, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
I often wonder why Ron would appoint a true knucklehead as a moderator!


Brother in law Ron will always pick family over a rotton drongo like you. 8)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 14, 2017, 08:53:25 AM
Basile should definitely be given blue stars, he won a national competition and tbh dbol or not, he looked well for the 70s. I have blue stars due to powerlifting comps so Vince should get his
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Nether Animal on April 14, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721049;image)

This IronMeister's work? One of the most hilarious shops I've ever seen on GB.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Meta-physical on April 14, 2017, 09:08:58 AM
Basile should definitely be given blue stars, he won a national competition and tbh dbol or not, he looked well for the 70s. I have blue stars due to powerlifting comps so Vince should get his
To be fair, I got mine for fox hunting so you have a point. I must say I am really enjoying the return of Vince. He's in his seventies but he's still standing in the pocket with all comers and throwing some heavy shots on here. Great thread.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dseiler on April 14, 2017, 11:44:23 AM
To be fair, I got mine for fox hunting so you have a point. I must say I am really enjoying the return of Vince. He's in his seventies but he's still standing in the pocket with all comers and throwing some heavy shots on here. Great thread.

X2
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 14, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721049;image)

This IronMeister's work? One of the most hilarious shops I've ever seen on GB.

No. This was done many years ago I believe by someone else. I just added in Basile
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 14, 2017, 03:33:47 PM
People who haven't read the forum for long wouldn't know the history here. That photoshop of Goodrum was to celebrate the condition he showed up for the posedown with Billy Guns. The dork came with no cuts. Everyone laughed themselves silly. There was Goodrum copying all the fancy transitions from pose to pose. Too bad they didn't pose for the Olympia crowd as that would have been a hoot.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 14, 2017, 11:26:00 PM
You don't always get what you want Vince, so you better invest your energy in positive things.

#nobluestars
#getoverit
#goaway
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 15, 2017, 02:57:00 AM
Hey "vince" what about the cornutto beef you had. Was it true?

Since you dodged the question i will ask you again "vince":

Was the cornutto story true? You got pretty upset about it then.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Strongmanfan on April 15, 2017, 04:08:09 AM
I believe Vince B. was Mr. Canada in 1973. At 5'10 and 195, he looked amazing.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: ForgottenMuscle on April 15, 2017, 07:14:26 AM
Hello Vince,

Blue Stars well deserved based on the physique you were able to accomplish, as well as your participation in the muscular hypertrophy discussions over the years , not only on this board  but  in depth on  Bryan Haycock's HST forum. Thank you for that, Allman and all the best!
André, The Hague,Netherlands.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 15, 2017, 07:53:59 AM
Hello Vince,

Blue Stars well deserved based on the physique you were able to accomplish, as well as your participation in the muscular hypertrophy discussions over the years , not only on this board  but  in depth on  Bryan Haycock's HST forum. Thank you for that, Allman and all the best!
André, The Hague,Netherlands.

Steelworks gym?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 15, 2017, 10:16:12 AM
vince im on your side

i believe you should get the stars

they should just be a lighter blue

due to the cheating involved
;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 15, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
Steelworks gym?
(http://www.amsterdamredlightdistricttour.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Red-Light-District-men-windows-Amsterdam-e1401876089935.jpg)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 15, 2017, 10:25:42 AM
(http://www.amsterdamredlightdistricttour.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Red-Light-District-men-windows-Amsterdam-e1401876089935.jpg)

In your dreams stud :D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: wes on April 15, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
Give the guy his stars for Christs sake........he won a National title.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 15, 2017, 01:50:31 PM
Give the guy his stars for Christs sake........he won a National title.

He's too much of an asshole, fuck this fart
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: _bruce_ on April 15, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Give the guy his stars for Christs sake........he won a National title.

x2
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 15, 2017, 05:49:40 PM
Blue stars, no. But 6 pink dbol tabs may be something Ron should give Basile...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 15, 2017, 07:32:48 PM
He's too much of an asshole, fuck this fart

Who did you beat!? You are nobody so show some respect to your superiors.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: illuminati on April 15, 2017, 07:36:48 PM

Thanks, Johnny, I spent a day editing that photo. Had to get it right. That is probably the greatest bodybuilding photo ever taken.

Photo by Inge, Arthur Jones' wife.



No it isn't.

That's not to say it isn't a good photo though.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 15, 2017, 07:43:36 PM
How does one get 6 stars here?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 15, 2017, 08:01:22 PM
How does one get 6 stars here?

Men who dream about fondling young lads can never have more than 5 stars.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 15, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
People who haven't read the forum for long wouldn't know the history here. That photoshop of Goodrum was to celebrate the condition he showed up for the posedown with Billy Guns. The dork came with no cuts. Everyone laughed themselves silly. There was Goodrum copying all the fancy transitions from pose to pose. Too bad they didn't pose for the Olympia crowd as that would have been a hoot.


Laugh at this fancy transition while you're at it.  I'm not done competing btw.


(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17800387_1644298895584314_5202209264709754320_n.jpg?oh=44f02056911203bc9486bf0f8a7df1b9&oe=59936715)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: rocket on April 15, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
I am laying my support behind Vince B to receive his stars.

I believe this will lead to new avenues of him being douchey and I'm looking forward to where he takes it.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 15, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
People who haven't read the forum for long wouldn't know the history here. That photoshop of Goodrum was to celebrate the condition he showed up for the posedown with Billy Guns. The dork came with no cuts. Everyone laughed themselves silly. There was Goodrum copying all the fancy transitions from pose to pose. Too bad they didn't pose for the Olympia crowd as that would have been a hoot.

Sorry, Vince Basile would never say "the dork came with no cuts".

Nope. Not in a million years.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 15, 2017, 11:12:56 PM
Sorry, Vince Basile would never say "the dork came with no cuts".

Nope. Not in a million years.

I had him at post one...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 02:10:49 AM

Laugh at this fancy transition while you're at it.  I'm not done competing btw.


(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17800387_1644298895584314_5202209264709754320_n.jpg?oh=44f02056911203bc9486bf0f8a7df1b9&oe=59936715)

What sort of competition are you thinking about entering?

Yes, big improvement from bloated recent appearance.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 16, 2017, 02:14:27 AM
Who did you beat!? You are nobody so show some respect to your superiors.

Ha, you old pathetic crybitch. Ron simply doesn't like you and nothing will change that. Now go away and close the door behind you.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 16, 2017, 04:12:52 AM
vince should apologise to ron, arnold and bob chic

then he might get his stars for showing some class for once
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 16, 2017, 04:18:08 AM
Sorry, Vince Basile would never say "the dork came with no cuts".

Nope. Not in a million years.

Its not him.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Mitch on April 16, 2017, 04:25:06 AM

Laugh at this fancy transition while you're at it.  I'm not done competing btw.


(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17800387_1644298895584314_5202209264709754320_n.jpg?oh=44f02056911203bc9486bf0f8a7df1b9&oe=59936715)
hiding the double chin with a mobile phone, nice trick  ;)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 16, 2017, 04:42:30 AM
Its not him.

Possible, but that doesn't matter that much
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 05:19:29 AM
vince should apologise to ron, arnold and bob chic

then he might get his stars for showing some class for once

Arnold fixed a contest and should have nothing to  do with running bodybuilding contests.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 05:21:30 AM
Its not him.

There are some intelligent people here  but you are not one of them.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 16, 2017, 06:19:47 AM
Arnold fixed a contest and should have nothing to  do with running bodybuilding contests.

vince is it true you came dead last in every contest other than the one where you picked the judges
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 16, 2017, 07:06:41 AM
There are some intelligent people here  but you are not one of them.
Lets hope your statements are as legit as you identity.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 16, 2017, 07:57:00 AM
hiding the double chin with a mobile phone, nice trick  ;)


That's partially true but I've always had a very thick neck .  Don't forget that I was a professional wrestler at one time.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SF1900 on April 16, 2017, 08:00:53 AM

That's partially true but I've always had a very thick neck .  Don't forget that I was a professional wrestler at one time.

Vince, do you think your current physique would beat Basile's physique of the 70s?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: chaos on April 16, 2017, 08:22:17 AM
Let's see a current VinceB pic! :D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 16, 2017, 09:04:46 AM
Vince, do you think your current physique would beat Basile's physique of the 70s?


I would destroy him.  I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell.  Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics.   ;D 
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 16, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
There are some intelligent people here  but you are not one of them.

Remind us about your theories about DOMs again...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 16, 2017, 01:53:58 PM

I would destroy him.  I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell.  Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics.   ;D 

You are just missing the work ethic... ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dseiler on April 16, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
Remind us about your theories about DOMs again...


YES PLEASE.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 16, 2017, 06:11:54 PM

I would destroy him.  I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell.  Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics.   ;D 

You're 11 weeks away from morbid obesity and a BMI of 50
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Kwon on April 16, 2017, 06:31:25 PM
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/5bf7576840059a2c74efa2e78e70b63f/tumblr_o9nhv0MuiW1rvhq3go1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 16, 2017, 07:02:45 PM
The floatsam here can't appreciate a bloke out on an afternoon jaunt. Perhaps he is just looking for some young lads to partake in a spirited game of touch football? The getbig experts don't even see those tables that could be scrapped and be made into a grand lattimus dorsi contractor contraption. Perhaps that young Sheila shouldn't wear such provocative outfits if she doesn't want a mature sod with arms a hair under 18 inches to follow her into the changing area?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 16, 2017, 07:19:17 PM

I would destroy him.  I'm 11 weeks away from competing so I've leaned down a great deal as you can tell.  Besides that, I'm black and I have some of those good old slave genetics.   ;D 

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 16, 2017, 07:42:34 PM
Vince you look like you're 11years out from a show, not 11weeks. You fucking malcontent.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 07:55:15 PM
vince is it true you came dead last in every contest other than the one where you picked the judges

What you?

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 16, 2017, 07:57:07 PM

What you?



Lazy.  Have a coffee.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Ha, you old pathetic crybitch. Ron simply doesn't like you and nothing will change that. Now go away and close the door behind you.


Ron doesn't know me.  Do you think posting on the internet reveals who people are?

Ron has to tow the line with the Pro League/IFBB or he chooses to do so. I don't. We have an ex criminal running the IFBB in

Australia. Paul Graham.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 16, 2017, 08:04:26 PM

That's partially true but I've always had a very thick neck .  Don't forget that I was a professional wrestler at one time.

You are the only guy who has no photos of his career as a professional wrestler. Venom Vince Versace! Bullshitter without any shame.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on April 16, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
You are just missing the work ethic... ;D
lĺl
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 17, 2017, 01:54:25 AM
vince made criminal accusations against arnold because he placed him last in a show

and has borne a grudge for fifty years

let the past go vince

and try and lose the 200lb of fat you are carrying
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 17, 2017, 02:21:43 AM
vince made criminal accusations against arnold because he placed him last in a show

and has borne a grudge for fifty years

let the past go vince

and try and lose the 200lb of fat you are carrying

What I said about Arnold stands. If he has any beef he can contact me.

You, however, are a bona fide asshole who makes up shit about others. You and Goodrum have no shame.

Both of you think you are smart but neither has a clue about important matters.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 17, 2017, 02:27:42 AM
What I said about Arnold stands. If he has any beef he can contact me.

You, however, are a bona fide asshole who makes up shit about others. You and Goodrum have no shame.

Both of you think you are smart but neither has a clue about important matters.

Hope this helps.

vince i am a very successful business man

you are an overweight janitor in a gym

where did you think you placed in the competition where all the judges placed you dead last vince?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 17, 2017, 02:57:54 AM
vince i am a very successful business man

you are an overweight janitor in a gym

where did you think you placed in the competition where all the judges placed you dead last vince?

You really are a pathetic entity. What a sad life you must lead.

Why don't you take up loafing?

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: illuminati on April 17, 2017, 04:20:44 AM
Vince is it true that Arnold was a judge at one of your competitions ?
If so did he & any other judges place you last ?

No hating - just asking.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 17, 2017, 04:28:44 AM

Ron doesn't know me.  Do you think posting on the internet reveals who people are?


Most people over here don't like you. Did you ever wondered why?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 17, 2017, 06:12:56 AM
You really are a pathetic entity. What a sad life you must lead.

Why don't you take up loafing?



vince you placed dead last on all the score cards

how did you see the show
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 17, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
Vince is it true that Arnold was a judge at one of your competitions ?
If so did he & any other judges place you last ?

No hating - just asking.

Here are the facts behind my last place in the tall class at the 1975 Mr Australia contest.

In the years before that contest I was a judge in two contests that Paul Graham didn't win. He found out I didn't vote for him so

he got even in 1975. I had challenged Robert Nailon, the paper tiger, to compete in 1975. Shortly before the Mr Australia contest

Robert 'won' the Mr NSW contest. Trouble was Hans Meyer was superior as Robert had polio legs. So we booed when Robert was

declared the winner. Robert didn't like that at all. Arnold was a judge that night. Paul Graham was the promoter and after the contest

he always gave the contestants and judges something to eat. People could also meet Arnold who was the guest poser. I didn't go

because I was disgusted with the contest. Andrew Shigelski from my gym did go to meet Arnold. They accused him of booing Nailon.

Andrew told them I started the booing. Well, he overheard Paul and Arnold saying they would get me in Melbourne.

In Melbourne I approached Frank Burwash and told him what Andrew heard. Frank assured me he wouldn't let that happen. I didn't

place nor did I win best poser. I wasn't very happy I can tell you. Nailon was working in one of my gyms at the time and during the

contest I asked him if I had too much oil on since they were using spotlights. He said he doesn't talk to anyone at contests! That

comment and not placing really bothered me and on the long drive back to Sydney I told Roz to fire Nailon the next day which she

did. We also wrote to Burwash about the judging. He sent a reply saying that Paul Graham had given me 25 out of 100 and Arnold

scored me somewhat higher but still placed me last. Burwash did bugger all about the biased judging. He stated that those two

scores were not accurate. He also said there was a panel of trainee judges at the contest and they didn't score me last. Roz can't

find that letter which is a shame because I would post it here to show what kind of jerks Paul and Arnold were. If judges and

promoters show bias they shouldn't be allowed to have anything to do with bodybuilding.

As it happened I tore a biceps doing a 509 pound deadlift and never competed again. So 75 was my last show.

To add insult to injury someone stole the slides taken at the 75 Mr Australia. I don't have any photos from that contest.

I knew what Paul and Arnold were going to do but still entered the contest. Silly me. I should have told Burwash I would do

a guest pose and not competed. Since I had challenged Nailon I felt obligated to compete.

Oh, Roger Walker won that contest and got to compete in South Africa.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 17, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
Here are the facts behind my last place in the tall class at the 1975 Mr Australia contest.

In the years before that contest I was a judge in two contests that Paul Graham didn't win. He found out I didn't vote for him so

he got even in 1975. I had challenged Robert Nailon, the paper tiger, to compete in 1975. Shortly before the Mr Australia contest

Robert 'won' the Mr NSW contest. Trouble was Hans Meyer was superior as Robert had polio legs. So we booed when Robert was

declared the winner. Robert didn't like that at all. Arnold was a judge that night. Paul Graham was the promoter and after the contest

he always gave the contestants and judges something to eat. People could also meet Arnold who was the guest poser. I didn't go

because I was disgusted with the contest. Andrew Shigelski from my gym did go to meet Arnold. They accused him of booing Nailon.

Andrew told them I started the booing. Well, he overheard Paul and Arnold saying they would get me in Melbourne.

In Melbourne I approached Frank Burwash and told him what Andrew heard. Frank assured me he wouldn't let that happen. I didn't

place nor did I win best poser. I wasn't very happy I can tell you. Nailon was working in one of my gyms at the time and during the

contest I asked him if I had too much oil on since they were using spotlights. He said he doesn't talk to anyone at contests! That

comment and not placing really bothered me and on the long drive back to Sydney I told Roz to fire Nailon the next day which she

did. We also wrote to Burwash about the judging. He sent a reply saying that Paul Graham had given me 25 out of 100 and Arnold

scored me somewhat higher but still placed me last. Burwash did bugger all about the biased judging. He stated that those two

scored were not accurate. He also said there was a panel of trainee judges at the contest and they didn't score me last. Roz can't

find that letter which is a shame because I would post it here to show what kind of jerks Paul and Arnold were. If judges and

promoters show bias they shouldn't be allowed to have anything to do with bodybuilding.

As it happened I tore a biceps doing a 509 pound deadlift and never competed again. So 75 was my last show.

To add insult to injury someone stole the slides taken at the 75 Mr Australia. I don't have any photos from that contest.

I knew what Paul and Arnold were going to do but still entered the contest. Silly me. I should have told Burwash I would do

a guest pose and not competed. Since I had challenged Nailon I felt obligated to compete.

Oh, Roger Walker won that contest and got to compete in South Africa.


No one cares about your old ass stories or your old man smell.  Get lost you no blue star begging fuck
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 17, 2017, 03:55:02 PM
In fairness there's not many guys on this board who even for one day in their lives have had a body matching basiles in that 1975 photo. And anyone who says different is a liar. Goodrum even when you get aids you wont reach within 20% bf of basile that day. He sure beats the shit out of my physique
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Skeletor on April 17, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721720;image) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=110931.0;attach=124992;image)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 17, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
Exactly, it's like comparing apples and niggeres
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Twaddle on April 17, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721720;image) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=110931.0;attach=124992;image)


Hmm, too close to call.   :-\
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Jayel on April 17, 2017, 05:18:44 PM
Give Basile his blue stars... I bet the traffic on this board has increased since his return..
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 17, 2017, 05:51:02 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721720;image) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=110931.0;attach=124992;image)


Imagine a Bizarro world where Vince Goodrum and Basile switched lives



Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SGT BARNES on April 17, 2017, 07:55:32 PM
simple vince. 


the other vince, as pathetic a physique as he has, actually got on a stage.

thee is no evidence you did anything of the kind, and a single bw phot from the land before time aint cutting it.


oh also, your seriously a foolish old girl. go back to taking images of flowers
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 18, 2017, 12:29:10 AM
welcome back, Basile.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: rocket on April 18, 2017, 02:29:06 AM
simple vince. 


the other vince, as pathetic a physique as he has, actually got on a stage.

thee is no evidence you did anything of the kind, and a single bw phot from the land before time aint cutting it.


oh also, your seriously a foolish old girl. go back to taking images of flowers

*A single photo of him looking pretty good

(I'm all for the adversarial contact we have here, but you're stretching, there)

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 18, 2017, 02:29:53 AM
Let's take this seriously and start asking real questions.

Vince, you looked great.  How could you let yourself go the way you did?  I don't remember you talking about injuries or other heath issues.  And you have actually owned a gym for decades.  What the hell happened?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: rocket on April 18, 2017, 03:59:17 AM
Let's take this seriously and start asking real questions.

Vince, you looked great.  How could you let yourself go the way you did?  I don't remember you talking about injuries or other heath issues.  And you have actually owned a gym for decades.  What the hell happened?

My guess is that the moment he tore that bicep, he mentally became a proto-grump and it wasn't long before he had attained the garden gnome physique to go with it.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 05:18:27 AM
My guess is that the moment he tore that bicep, he mentally became a proto-grump and it wasn't long before he had attained the garden gnome physique to go with it.



LOL all these comments from anonymous entities. No photo, no identity, not a person....just an entity that can type.

Most people put on some fat as they get older. Then you have the problem of motivation. Young guys figure they need to look buff. Old guys don't care that much.

I still train off and on. The difficult thing is sticking to an hypertrophy program. Like training a certain way every third day. Not easy to sustain when motivation is

missing. I carry some safety fat but nothing to worry about. Oh, and another thing, it isn't easy to lose fat when you are an older guy.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: falco on April 18, 2017, 06:08:16 AM
You are not 40 yet.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 18, 2017, 06:23:25 AM
vince is morbidly obese

surely he cant be taking seriously until he stops his gluttonous ways
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 08:23:09 AM
I met Paul at Golds in 1991. He posed at our gym the next year.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on April 18, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
Give the man his stars!
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 09:32:42 AM
There was a Harbour Cruise after the 1980 Olympia. I finally met Joe Weider that night.

Mike and Frank weren't on the boat. Nailon took Frank to his hotel so missed the boat, too.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: hench on April 18, 2017, 09:38:49 AM
Vince you seem to have quite a lot of history with arnold. Any crap aside do you think it'd be cool to "catch up" talk training today and the good old days.
There was a Harbour Cruise after the 1980 Olympia. I finally met Joe Weider that night.

Mike and Frank weren't on the boat. Nailon took Frank to his hotel so missed the boat, too.


Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 18, 2017, 09:55:28 AM
Vince you seem to have quite a lot of history with arnold. Any crap aside do you think it'd be cool to "catch up" talk training today and the good old days.

vince accused arnold of serious sexual crimes on multiple forums

fortunately for vince he is a nobody

so arnold doesnt give a shit
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 18, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
vince accused arnold of serious sexual crimes on multiple forums

fortunately for vince he is a nobody

so arnold doesnt give a shit
That's the same attitude they had with Jimmy Saville. Too powerful to be accused of sex crimes.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: polychronopolous on April 18, 2017, 12:46:36 PM
That's the same attitude they had with Jimmy Saville. Too powerful to be accused of sex crimes.

Rumored to have bedded Arnold.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 18, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
Rumored to have bedded Arnold.
Arnold lived in London for a time as a young bodybuilder while Saville was at his peak of popularity and fame. Pics (non sexual)  them together have been posted many times online.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 18, 2017, 02:51:23 PM
If memory serves Savile was a president of Nabba or the Ifbb in England at one stage. Super schmoe
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Skeletor on April 18, 2017, 02:57:35 PM
If memory serves Savile was a president of Nabba or the Ifbb in England at one stage. Super schmoe
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=721958;image)

The look on Savile's face...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: polychronopolous on April 18, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Arnold lived in London for a time as a young bodybuilder while Saville was at his peak of popularity and fame. Pics (non sexual)  them together have been posted many times online.

And you think Saville would not have made a pass at some point? Please.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 18, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Here we go...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=443714.0
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on April 18, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
A photo of arnold from a gay magazine shoot he did. Apparently there were 22 nude pics of young arnold in this photoshoot. Talk about skeletons in the closet haha
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 18, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
(http://fakeposters.com.s3.amazonaws.com/results/2017/04/18/0uf56spdnc.jpg)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: hench on April 18, 2017, 04:20:06 PM
Kids and teens were more his style
And you think Saville would not have made a pass at some point? Please.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: johnny1 on April 18, 2017, 05:05:13 PM
In fairness there's not many guys on this board who even for one day in their lives have had a body matching basiles in that 1975 photo. And anyone who says different is a liar. Goodrum even when you get aids you wont reach within 20% bf of basile that day. He sure beats the shit out of my physique
yup that's a great physique bye anyone's standards the fact that it was taken in the 1970s vince did look fantastic.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
I won other contests in the past. Gave most of my trophies away.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 08:37:25 PM
Oxygen Gym in Kuwait has a lot of equipment. One supplier is Atlantis Strength. So I looked at their website.

Lo and behold they have no idea about safety because the elbows should never touch pads because they can be damaged

by pressure and friction.

I have had to modify two biceps machines from other manufacturers. One from Nautilus and one from Life Fitness. The LF

machine needed the pivot point moved two inches. That is not good design. It helps if engineers actually train and know

how to use equipment. You can see I had to move the Nautilus arm pad 2 inches so that the elbows don't contact the pads.

The bottom photo is a modified Life Fitness machine. I added a cam and weight stack. Last week I had to cut the machine

and move the arm pads two inches closer to the pivot points. Don't know why I didn't pick this up years ago. Now this machine

feels much better. Good movement. Of course, not as effective as my biceps-supinator machine.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 18, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
I have done quite a few things in the Iron Game. I started lifting weights back in 1958 when I was 16. I eventually competed in a contest in 1964.

While at UBC I competed for the university in weightlifting and earned a big block UBC letter and sweater. I also set up a bodybuilding club at UBC

called the Figleafers so we could use the gym under the stadium. I won two "Strongest Man on Campus" contests and broke the uni record for the

deadlift doing 525. I didn't try steroids until 1970, just 2 Dianbol a day for a few months.

I set a world record in pinch gripping on a machine I designed and built. 203 pounds with one hand on a slippery polished stainless steel surface.

My best lifts are Bench 410, Full Squat 470, Deadlift 525, Curl 177.5, Standing Press 270.

Over the years I have taken photos and written articles for muscle magazines. I have had covers on Iron Man plus Health and Strength.

I came up with a new theory on hypertrophy called the DOMS theory. So far no one has refuted my claims. I published the theory in Flex Magazine.

I was involved in bodybuilding organizations and came up with criterion for judging contests. I have also judged national contests in Australia.

I have managed gyms in the past and co-owned gyms since 1971. I have designed and equipped 5 gyms over the years including two of my gyms.

I patented a biceps-supinator machine in 1995 in the USA and several other countries. Expensive and a waste of money.

I post on bodybuilding sites and explained my theory of bodybuilding and contribute trying to help others with training and other issues.

So I have just about done it all in the Iron Game. Larry Scott was a smart guy but he didn't invent much that is interesting. Just some benches.

Zane has a masters degree but invented simple equipment and nothing with a weight stack that I know about. Arnold invented nothing at all.

So I don't need blue stars. However, why have coloured stars to give some status if you are not going to distribute them in a fair and honest fashion?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Twaddle on April 18, 2017, 10:44:15 PM
For God's sake, give him his blues stars!  The man has done more for the industry, than the white towel.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: BSN on April 18, 2017, 10:57:17 PM
If memory serves Savile was a president of Nabba or the Ifbb in England at one stage. Super schmoe


Jimmy Savile was the president of NABBA. But in fact the head of NABBA was Oscar Heidenstam.

Give the blues stars to Vince !  ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 18, 2017, 11:58:27 PM

I came up with a new theory on hypertrophy called the DOMS theory. So far no one has refuted my claims. I published the theory in Flex Magazine.
 

Actually it has been refuted in studies. You have commented in the past the dearth of bbing studies but there are many and constant. I don't think you are looking in the right places or even at all.

In this study I posted recently the subjects actually lost muscle size and strength while they were in DOMS and only started to progress after soreness subsided and the adaptation phase took place.

Of course you can dispute these claims and attempt to refute them but it would be disingenuous  to claim that no contradictory studies have been done and published.

http://ergo-log.com/too-intense-strength-training-doesn-t-result-in-muscle-growth.html

The men reported more muscle soreness in week 1 than in weeks 3 and 10, as the figure above shows. In addition, the men lost a considerable amount of muscle strength after their workout in week 1.

The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 12:16:48 AM
Actually it has been refuted in studies. You have commented in the past the dearth of bbing studies but there are many and constant. I don't think you are looking in the right places or even at all.

In this study I posted recently the subjects actually lost muscle size and strength while they were in DOMS and only started to progress after soreness subsided and the adaptation phase took place.

Of course you can dispute these claims and attempt to refute them but it would be disingenuous  to claim that no contradictory studies have been done and published.

http://ergo-log.com/too-intense-strength-training-doesn-t-result-in-muscle-growth.html

The men reported more muscle soreness in week 1 than in weeks 3 and 10, as the figure above shows. In addition, the men lost a considerable amount of muscle strength after their workout in week 1.

The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.


Yes, I saw the post you made. Trouble is we can't access the full study to see exactly what they did. Most of these studies are of little use for bodybuilders because the subjects were not bodybuilders.

Also, you have to increase food consumption or you can't grow much muscle. My point remains, the exercise scientists are not interested in doing long term studies on advanced bodybuilders.

I will comment again after reading what I can find re that experiment.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: ratherbebig on April 19, 2017, 12:32:54 AM
ive never felt comfortable with my elbows on the pads while training biceps so ive avoided that alltogether
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 19, 2017, 12:40:01 AM
Actually, the full study is available for those that really want it.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP272472/abstract;jsessionid=565F806F69EE335A08F5C123EAF42773.f04t02

And though many of these studies are not done by experience resistance trainees that does not necessarily render the results useless. In fact, in some studies you may want to exclude very advance trainees as at some point meaningful and measurable gains may simply not be possible. I mean, to take an extreme example, how much more can you get out of a 2003 Ronnie Coleman no matter what you do, feed or administer.

What did happen in this study was that gains were lost or nonexistent during DOMS but they were experienced after the DOMS phase which may indicate that insufficient caloric consumption was not the issue. They did grow.

Of course, Disgusted closed the thread as it had nothing to do with comparing the adaptation response to various levels of intensity. Just what happens when you subject your body to resistance training.

What happens if you compare training protocols that feature positive failure versus forced reps, negatives, drop sets, pre exhaust....?

A misleading study but not without merit.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 19, 2017, 12:42:56 AM
didnt vince say he was going to prove his theory

by training his arms every day for a month and putting an inch on them

didnt he fail
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 19, 2017, 12:46:34 AM
didnt vince say he was going to prove his theory

by training his arms every day for a month and putting an inch on them

didnt he fail
no, they are now an inch longer...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
Actually, the full study is available for those that really want it.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP272472/abstract;jsessionid=565F806F69EE335A08F5C123EAF42773.f04t02

And though many of these studies are not done by experience resistance trainees that does not necessarily render the results useless. In fact, in some studies you may want to exclude very advance trainees as at some point meaningful and measurable gains may simply not be possible. I mean, to take an extreme example, how much more can you get out of a 2003 Ronnie Coleman no matter what you do, feed or administer.

What did happen in this study was that gains were lost or nonexistent during DOMS but they were experienced after the DOMS phase which may indicate that insufficient caloric consumption was not the issue. They did grow.

Of course, Disgusted closed the thread as it had nothing to do with comparing the adaptation response to various levels of intensity. Just what happens when you subject your body to resistance training.

What happens if you compare training protocols that feature positive failure versus forced reps, negatives, drop sets, pre exhaust....?

A misleading study but not without merit.

There are a lot of things we need to define when we examine studies. Did anyone take measurements during and after the experiment? So what did they use to determine if any muscle size was gained?

"Conclusion: The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.

Of course strength training stimulates muscle growth, the Brazilians concluded. But not if the stimulus is too intense."

They had 10 men who hadn't done any lifting in the previous 6 months. How on earth do they represent bodybuilders? The people doing the study concluded that gains were made ONLY after becoming used to the training.

Surely all bodybuilders are used to training? In fact, the vast majority of people lifting weights are NOT growing. Why is this so? Why doesn't everyone grow who trains with resistance? A good question.

If we look at hypertrophy from a logical point of view we see that it occurs only if the body does something unusual and with enough intensity or duration or both.

All gym owners and personal trainers know that you have to go easy on beginners in the gym. I find the study interesting but it does not refute my claims.

I state that an intermediate bodybuilder who trains hard several times a week will experience hypertrophy if he can generate sufficient DOMS in his target muscles.

When a study is done with such bodybuilders I will accept the results. My own experience is that it is difficult to generate DOMS in some muscles such as biceps.

So, if you can get your biceps sore then they should grow about 1/10 of an inch by the next day. Yes, some of the size is inflammation but there is hypertrophy because

the size gains are accompanied with strength gains over a period of say a month.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 19, 2017, 01:19:22 AM
vince will never accept anything apart from his own unproven opinion

if vinces theories are correct we would all have 30" arms

what a bufoon he is
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 19, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
There are a lot of things we need to define when we examine studies. Did anyone take measurements during and after the experiment? So what did they use to determine if any muscle size was gained?

"Conclusion: The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.

Of course strength training stimulates muscle growth, the Brazilians concluded. But not if the stimulus is too intense."

They had 10 men who hadn't done any lifting in the previous 6 months. How on earth do they represent bodybuilders? The people doing the study concluded that gains were made ONLY after becoming used to the training.

Surely all bodybuilders are used to training? In fact, the vast majority of people lifting weights are NOT growing. Why is this so? Why doesn't everyone grow who trains with resistance? A good question.

If we look at hypertrophy from a logical point of view we see that it occurs only if the body does something unusual and with enough intensity or duration or both.

All gym owners and personal trainers know that you have to go easy on beginners in the gym. I find the study interesting but it does not refute my claims.

I state that an intermediate bodybuilder who trains hard several times a week will experience hypertrophy if he can generate sufficient DOMS in his target muscles.

When a study is done with such bodybuilders I will accept the results. My own experience is that it is difficult to generate DOMS in some muscles such as biceps.

So, if you can get your biceps sore then they should grow about 1/10 of an inch by the next day. Yes, some of the size is inflammation but there is hypertrophy because

the size gains are accompanied with strength gains over a period of say a month.

Did you purchase the study and read it in full?

Because it was not detailed how they were able to measure hypertrophy doesn't mean it didn't happen? They did explain how muscle damage was measured. And measurements are not a very good indication of muscle hypertrophy. I increase the size of my thighs over night just by consuming a lot of carbs and water.

"Why doesn't everyone grow as a result of resistance training?" Of course they do but at wildly different rates and levels. Dr. Walzak told me that one reaches the upper limits of his natural genetic potential after about three years of serious training and eating with about 80% of those gains coming within the first year (talking about an adult).

Why do some people get a very dark tan from the sun and others do not? It's all about one's genetic predisposition. Jones stated this clearly. No amount of hormones, peptides and DOMS will change that. The human body does not want to carry a lot of muscle and given the slightest excuse will get rid of it. Muscle, even at rest, requires a lot of metabolic support: blood supply, nutrients, etc. Muscle is a metabolic cost to the body. Fat is just the opposite. Stored energy. Your body likes stored energy and will store as much as it can even at the expense of no longer resembling a human form. Both are proven clearly in real life.

And I don't know if an "unusual" training stimulus is always necessary for muscle hypertrophy. I am amazed at the muscular size my nephew has put on in the last five years. Especially in the quads, arms and shoulders -- and he has never picked up a barbell in his life. He just entered puberty and ate more.

One of Jiu-Jitsu instructors, Reagan Machado, put on 30 lbs of muscle mass while in his mid twenties just by going off the primary fruit based diet espoused by the Gracies when he moved to the US and started eating more meat.

You demand proof that DOMS is not a necessary requirement to muscle hypertrophy but have yet to provide proof of your own. This study did present evidence that DOMS is a stage preceding muscle adaptation albeit in nonbodybuilders but I see no reason why this would not also apply to more advance trainees. It's like when I did work with my hands. I would wear away the skin first, which caused some pain and discomfort, the soreness and broken down phase (a form of DOMS?), until a callous would build up and I would no longer experience discomfort and my callouses would grow more pronounce as I continued working with my hands.

And, don't forget, you did try to prove your DOMS theory in the real world with practical application and have always failed. You have presented the theory, the onus is on you to prove it and not on others to disprove it.

Very happy to have you back on this board again.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: ratherbebig on April 19, 2017, 01:57:39 AM
which one is more important for muscle growth - doms or pump?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: illuminati on April 19, 2017, 02:02:17 AM
Did you purchase the study and read it in full?

Because it was not detailed how they were able to measure hypertrophy doesn't mean it didn't happen? They did explain how muscle damage was measured. And measurements are not a very good indication of muscle hypertrophy. I increase the size of my thighs over night just by consuming a lot of carbs and water.

"Why doesn't everyone grow as a result of resistance training?" Of course they do but at wildly different rates and levels. Dr. Walzak told me that one reaches the upper limits of his natural genetic potential after about three years of serious training and eating with about 80% of those gains coming within the first year (talking about an adult).

Why do some people get a very dark tan from the sun and others do not? It's all about one's genetic predisposition. Jones stated this clearly. No amount of hormones, peptides and DOMS will change that. The human body does not want to carry a lot of muscle and given the slightest excuse will get rid of it. Muscle, even at rest, requires a lot of metabolic support: blood supply, nutrients, etc. Muscle is a metabolic cost to the body. Fat is just the opposite. Stored energy. Your body likes stored energy and will store as much as it can even at the expense of no longer resembling a human form. Both are proven clearly in real life.

And I don't know if an "unusual" training stimulus is always necessary for muscle hypertrophy. I am amazed at the muscular size my nephew has put on in the last five years. Especially in the quads, arms and shoulders -- and he has never picked up a barbell in his life. He just entered puberty and ate more.

One of Jiu-Jitsu instructors, Reagan Machado, put on 30 lbs of muscle mass while in his mid twenties just by going off the primary fruit based diet espoused by the Gracies when he moved to the US and started eating more meat.

You demand proof that DOMS is not a necessary requirement to muscle hypertrophy but have yet to provide proof of your own. This study did present evidence that DOMS is a stage preceding muscle adaptation albeit in nonbodybuilders but I see no reason why this would not also apply to more advance trainees. It's like when I did work with my hands. I would wear away the skin first, which caused some pain and discomfort, the soreness and broken down phase (a form of DOMS?), until a callous would build up and I would no longer experience discomfort and my callouses would grow more pronounce as I continued working with my hands.

And, don't forget, you did try to prove your DOMS theory in the real world with practical application and have always failed. You have presented the theory, the onus is on you to prove it and not on others to disprove it.

Very happy to have you back on this board again.





My 2 pence worth.
Not disputing what either yourself or Vince says.

Only Not all university studies are what they are cracked up to be or are particularly reliable,
Also depends if it is being paid for by a company / group - that maybe after a certain
type of result.

I use the gym at Loughborough university ( UK ) this is the top sports university in the
uk - and some of the nonsense they do & and come up with is farcical if not downright dangerous
at times.
Some of the highly paid sports coaches are a joke - you could write what they know in Large letters
on The back of A Stamp... FA

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 02:08:52 AM
Did you purchase the study and read it in full?

Because it was not detailed how they were able to measure hypertrophy doesn't mean it didn't happen? They did explain how muscle damage was measured. And measurements are not a very good indication of muscle hypertrophy. I increase the size of my thighs over night just by consuming a lot of carbs and water.

"Why doesn't everyone grow as a result of resistance training?" Of course they do but at wildly different rates and levels. Dr. Walzak told me that one reaches the upper limits of his natural genetic potential after about three years of serious training and eating with about 80% of those gains coming within the first year (talking about an adult).

Why do some people get a very dark tan from the sun and others do not? It's all about one's genetic predisposition. Jones stated this clearly. No amount of hormones, peptides and DOMS will change that. The human body does not want to carry a lot of muscle and given the slightest excuse will get rid of it. Muscle, even at rest, requires a lot of metabolic support: blood supply, nutrients, etc. Muscle is a metabolic cost to the body. Fat is just the opposite. Stored energy. Your body likes stored energy and will store as much as it can even at the expense of no longer resembling a human form. Both are proven clearly in real life.

And I don't know if an "unusual" training stimulus is always necessary for muscle hypertrophy. I am amazed at the muscular size my nephew has put on in the last five years. Especially in the quads, arms and shoulders -- and he has never picked up a barbell in his life. He just entered puberty and ate more.

One of Jiu-Jitsu instructors, Reagan Machado, put on 30 lbs of muscle mass while in his mid twenties just by going off the primary fruit based diet espoused by the Gracies when he moved to the US and started eating more meat.

You demand proof that DOMS is not a necessary requirement to muscle hypertrophy but have yet to provide proof of your own. This study did present evidence that DOMS is a stage preceding muscle adaptation albeit in nonbodybuilders but Conclusion
The cells in the men's leg muscles only started to grow when the men had become used to the training stimuli. Hypertrophy in the muscle tissue only started to occur once the men did not have sore muscles after working out, and once their creatine kinase levels were not spiralling high.

Of course strength training stimulates muscle growth, the Brazilians concluded. But not if the stimulus is too intense.DOMS?), until a callous would build up and I would no longer experience discomfort and my callouses would grow more pronounce as I continued working with my hands.

And, don't forget, you did try to prove your DOMS theory in the real world with practical application and have always failed. You have presented the theory, the onus is on you to prove it and not on others to disprove it.

Very happy to have you back on this board again.

No, I didn't pay $6 for a copy. Didn't seem like a study that is particularly valuable to me.

My DOMS training works on me every time. The reason I don't grow much is because I don't keep it up. You have to train the same muscle every third day. Otherwise you recover and then

experience the 'repeated bout effect'. In other words, if you recover completely it will take an even more unusual effort to trigger further hypertrophy. That is why I advocate training while

the muscle is sore. Once warmed up the soreness mostly evaporates and most of the strength is there plus a little bit after a short while, eg., a week.

Most people do so many things that they literally do not know what is responsible for any growth. The majority of trainees grow so slowly they can't measure it on arms and calves for example.

When I grow I can measure my arms and calves with a tape the next morning and they are bigger. Calves are biggest near the end of a day whereas the arms are largest first thing in the morning.

Let me be clear. I do not state that DOMS is a requirement for hypertrophy. I do claim that experienced trainees will grow if they can generate DOMS in a target muscle....and eat enough to gain

weight. I doubt capacity for hypertrophy is related to the capacity for getting tanned. Yes, people will differ but who here knows what his genetic capacity is? Nobody knows. What happens is that

frustrated trainees stop growing so conclude they don't have the genetics. They certainly don't blame their training or choice of exercises.

Mike Mentzer was right about there being only one true and complete theory of hypertrophy. Clearly that one true theory can't be embraced by the majority of trainees who are not growing.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 19, 2017, 02:13:37 AM
you can see vinces theories work

here he is

great every day look easy to maintain by eating shit and never training
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: ratherbebig on April 19, 2017, 02:16:26 AM
doms theory seems easy enough to try out, worth checking out if you're stuck in your training.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 02:21:11 AM
which one is more important for muscle growth - doms or pump?

It is like this. Imagine a funnel. The wide part represents all the training methods that cause hypertrophy. No matter the method the physiological

state is the same and is represented by the narrow part of the funnel. To stimulate hypertrophy the muscle will be shaking, fully pumped, and hard.

The trainee will be sweating and feeling rather good because getting that pump stimulates pleasant feelings in the brain.

There is no easy way to maximum hypertrophy. It is likely that there might be a geometric increase in effort to obtain the largest muscle size.

Otherwise, how do we explain why so few men get really large muscles from years and years of training. Yes, there are genetic factors as well.

We still aren't sure if hyperplasia occurs in champion bodybuilders. In other words, do some of those huge guys build more muscle fibres? There is

a suggestion that satellite cells can increase in some trained animals. Eg., Gonyea's cats.

It is the 21st century and we still don't have much of a clue about maximum hypertrophy.

There isn't a university on earth that is doing any studies re maximum human hypertrophy. I doubt any ever will which is a shame.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 02:25:35 AM
doms theory seems easy enough to try out, worth checking out if you're stuck in your training.

I posted on the website Hypertrophy Specific Training and debated everyone there except the owner who declined.

What I proposed was to keep doing what you are doing for one calf then try the DOMS method on the other calf.

Do this for a month and see if there are any differences. No one took up the challenge which is typical of bodybuilders.

HST suggested that to generate maximum hypertrophy in any particular day one would have to train that muscle

about 8 hours. That would be an interesting experiment. I haven't tried that one yet.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: rocket on April 19, 2017, 02:27:55 AM
LOL all these comments from anonymous entities. No photo, no identity, not a person....just an entity that can type.

Most people put on some fat as they get older. Then you have the problem of motivation. Young guys figure they need to look buff. Old guys don't care that much.

I still train off and on. The difficult thing is sticking to an hypertrophy program. Like training a certain way every third day. Not easy to sustain when motivation is

missing. I carry some safety fat but nothing to worry about. Oh, and another thing, it isn't easy to lose fat when you are an older guy.

Yes, yes, I'm an anonymous person - but I'm always straight with you, Vince.  I give you respect for how you looked in the past - but I don't really hide my lack of respect that you didn't carry that on.  

Having lost 10kg without doing an ounce of cardio, recently, I have to wonder if it is actually hard to for an old person to lose weight or is it just harder to skip dessert after dinner? :)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 02:41:20 AM
Yes, yes, I'm an anonymous person - but I'm always straight with you, Vince.  I give you respect for how you looked in the past - but I don't really hide my lack of respect that you didn't carry that on.  

Having lost 10kg without doing an ounce of cardio, recently, I have to wonder if it is actually hard to for an old person to lose weight or is it just harder to skip dessert after dinner? :)

I have read some of your recent posts and you are quite candid about yourself, especially your looks and situation.

We bodybuilders know how to change body composition. Having the will power to achieve it is another thing. Same as going to the gym regularly.

It is known that fat accumulates easier in older men. This could be for cultural rather than genetic reasons. Most older guys are married so eating

three meals a day with a coffee or cup of tea or another drink here and there can lead to fat being deposited. For years my bodyweight hovered around

200 pounds. In the last decade I have been around 230 pounds. Calves are solid and almost 18 inches cold. Maybe I will see if I can get my arms over

18 inches before my 75th birthday in September. Just to shut up the doubters here. Should be fun.

Now Mr Rocket, you live in Australia. Why not come to my gym and have a workout and try my biceps-supinator? No charge. Email me first because

I am not at the gym often.  Send me a message for my email address or contact me through my gym.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 02:46:59 AM
Ron won't give me blue stars but in this thread we have a serious discussion about training. That doesn't happen often on this forum.

By the way, I have stated in the past that you need to be an expert in hypertrophy to know if someone else is an expert. In most gyms

and on the net most guys who are intermediates consider that they are experts when they clearly are not. I have always said that everyone

with muscular arms over 16" considers that they are experts in bodybuilding.

One of the things no one has ever obtained is a PhD degree for maximum human hypertrophy.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 19, 2017, 03:10:32 AM
No panel of experts exist to award such a degree.  Without these bona fides we're left to sort the wheat from the chaff.  The flotsam from the jetsons.  We're like a man shucking corn in the dark, reaching out for another ear, and saying hopefully "Vince, is that you?!"
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: SuperTed on April 19, 2017, 03:13:49 AM

My best lifts are Bench 410, Full Squat 470, Deadlift 525, Curl 177.5, Standing Press 270.

Good lifts, especially your presses. How come your deadlift and squat didn't develop to the same standard?  
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Henda on April 19, 2017, 03:14:30 AM
Too lazy to clean snots off welds, it's the sloppy lack of dedication and application shown here that prevents you from ever achieving blue stars Vince
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 19, 2017, 03:18:24 AM
Ha I'm not welder enough to offer criticism but what the hell.  No grinding evident after or before.  Vince did you just weld straight through the damn paint?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dj181 on April 19, 2017, 03:18:51 AM
hey Vince

did you ever see or get to try Arthur Jones' hyper machines?

they allowed both a maximum positive rep and a maximum negative


Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 04:09:33 AM
hey Vince

did you ever see or get to try Arthur Jones' hyper machines?

they allowed both a maximum positive rep and a maximum negative


Had to do a search for these Omni machines as Dr Darden describes them on his forum.

Found two arm machines on Ebay for $7500 for the two but already sold.

I was impressed that the machines had double chains that never stretch or break whereas the single

chains do. Why didn't he use larger chains or double chains everywhere?

There are foot pads attached by chains to the pivot point and therefore you can help raise a resistance

using your legs. Then you can do negatives with more than you can do concentrically.

If I had those machines I would have to shift the arm pads two inches towards the user so that the elbows

don't contact the pads and cause an injury to the connective sheath over that joint.



http://www.drdarden.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=517B203654510E71F9D5E5C012F167F4.hydra?id=392666
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dj181 on April 19, 2017, 04:15:06 AM
damn!

would love to have them machines

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 19, 2017, 04:31:13 AM
which one is more important for muscle growth - doms or pump?
neither, its genetics...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 04:37:19 AM
Too lazy to clean snots off welds, it's the sloppy lack of dedication and application shown here that prevents you from ever achieving blue stars Vince

What are you talking about? The machine welds look fine to me.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 04:39:24 AM
neither, its genetics...

Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 19, 2017, 04:41:31 AM
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.
shut up gimmick.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Henda on April 19, 2017, 05:22:23 AM
Ha I'm not welder enough to offer criticism but what the hell.  No grinding evident after or before.  Vince did you just weld straight through the damn paint?

Also The shape of the pictured weld suggests he welded downwards which doesn't achieve a great deal of penetration by to be fair dosent really matter on relatively thin walled box section
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Henda on April 19, 2017, 05:27:04 AM
What are you talking about? The machine welds look fine to me.

You are correct, Apart from this one where The Weld has tailed off the joint and been too lazy to grind it off and just welded over it.

I'm just fucking around Vince, your welding is far better that the shite you see on the majority of bought weight  equipment which is usually terrible
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: dj181 on April 19, 2017, 05:29:06 AM
hey Vince

what do you think about maximum strength training?

seems like the vast concensus is that one should cycle exercises every 3 weeks

for example on chest do max rep bbench ie. 1-3 reps for 3 weeks then switch to another heavy chest move like db bench for 3 weeks at 1-3 reps then to wweighted dips for 3 weeks etc.

what's your thought on this and max strength training?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: bigmc on April 19, 2017, 05:37:00 AM
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.

he is the best built 50 plus guy on the forum

hope that helps fatty
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 06:44:12 AM
hey Vince

what do you think about maximum strength training?

seems like the vast concensus is that one should cycle exercises every 3 weeks

for example on chest do max rep bbench ie. 1-3 reps for 3 weeks then switch to another heavy chest move like db bench for 3 weeks at 1-3 reps then to wweighted dips for 3 weeks etc.

what's your thought on this and max strength training?

I am not an expert in strength training. However, I did train to improve my pinch grip for a contest. What I did was train every 3rd day. If I trained sooner I couldn't lift as much the next day.

If I rested more than 2 days my maximum didn't improve. I would warm up doing a lot of light reps. Then I would add a plate (5kg) and do a few more. I would do less reps as the weight

increased substantially. My best maximum in training was 85 kg. In the contest I lifted 92.5 kg which is still the most weight anyone has ever lifted in the pinch grip with one hand.

I would work up to my maximum then rest a few minutes and try to repeat that weight. I would do 2 or 3 maximum attempts. Then I would take 10 kg off and do as many reps as I could.

I would repeat this 2 or 3 times and that was my workout. I concluded that for pinch gripping training every 3rd day was optimal. Going to the max each workout also produced good results.

I always ended with a few sets sub-maximal but still heavy. It is as if the brain said I will fix you and increased the capacity in the gripping muscles.

I applied what I discovered doing pinch gripping to hypertrophy and it worked just as well. When I was putting on 1/10 of an inch each and every arm and calf workout for a month I can tell you I

ended up running to my workouts. I was constantly sore but my strength shot up as well. Especially for heel raises for the calves. I was doing multiple sets of over 60 reps with 600 to 700 pounds.

I was doing short bouncing movements then after the set I would walk in two small circles then repeat the set over and over. I put on an inch on my arms in that month and over an inch on

my calves.

The trouble was I got sore elbows from rubbing them against the pads. That is how Larry Scott did the triceps extensions but you really have to extend your elbows past the end of the pads so

that they don't rub on them. I didn't have my biceps-supinator then. This was in 1999 and I didn't build the machine until 2001.

The bouncing on the heel raise caused some temporary damage to the Achilles tendons and I had to cease training. So I don't recommend extended ballistic movements for calves if repeated too

often on the same day and over a longer period of time such as a month.

My whole upper body grew from doing only arms. I tell trainees that but they don't believe me. Yeah, everyone is an expert but few make impressive gains. Most get stuck at intermediate levels

of hypertrophy which is a shame. They never stop to think that maybe what they are doing is no longer effective. Eventually they give up training since it seems to be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 19, 2017, 01:34:02 PM
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 19, 2017, 02:49:33 PM
I am not an expert in strength training. However, I did train to improve my pinch grip for a contest. What I did was train every 3rd day. If I trained sooner I couldn't lift as much the next day.

 longer effective. Eventually they give up training since it seems to be a waste of time.

As a further clarification, you dispute the study posted. You wanted more details as to how they reached their conclusions yet you don't think it's worth getting the full study due to the $6 fee. I'm a bit surprised as you constantly complain about the lack of such studies and I'd think you jump at the chance to get some details.

But, that's OK, you can, and should, question.  Fair dinkum. Now I ask you what have you presented as far as evidence that your DOMS theory is effective? What evidence have you presented that this study has not?

And I believe we can use some of the ways a body deals with stress and apply it to bbing. You recall Mentzer borrowing heavily from Hans Seyle for whom bbing was the furthest thing from his mind. Yet, Mentzer saw the correlation. That's why the tanning and callous example I believe has some merit. I didn't make this up. Everything I know I learned from someone else. It was Mentzer that I got this example from. A stress will stimulate an adaptive response (a tan, a callous) too much of that stress will overwhelm the body and break down will occur (sunburn, blisters). This even occurs on an emotional level. If there is not some stress, some challenges, in one's life, you become like Howard.  You have no life force or motivation to do anything. Too much stress you become like Mentzer during his dark period.

Anyone who has experienced DOMS find that they are sore. They experience pain using that particular muscle. That that particular muscle no longer has the contractile strength it did previously and you are weaker. You are in the break down state which was proven in the study by the levels of
creatine kinase. And objective measurement. It also showed that strength increased only after they had recovered and their creatine kinase levels went down. These are very real evidence and proof. Something you have never demostrated.

So using some common sense doesn't pain serve a purpose? A signal to back off. When you are in a breakdown state does it make sense to continually break your body down? If you are run down due to lack of sleep should you go with even less sleep to build you systemic ability and perform even longer?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
As a further clarification, you dispute the study posted. You wanted more details as to how they reached their conclusions yet you don't think it's worth getting the full study due to the $6 fee. I'm a bit surprised as you constantly complain about the lack of such studies and I'd think you jump at the chance to get some details.

But, that's OK, you can, and should, question.  Fair dinkum. Now I ask you what have you presented as far as evidence that your DOMS theory is effective? What evidence have you presented that this study has not?

And I believe we can use some of the ways a body deals with stress and apply it to bbing. You recall Mentzer borrowing heavily from Hans Seyle for whom bbing was the furthest thing from his mind. Yet, Mentzer saw the correlation. That's why the tanning and callous example I believe has some merit. I didn't make this up. Everything I know I learned from someone else. It was Mentzer that I got this example from. A stress will stimulate an adaptive response (a tan, a callous) too much of that stress will overwhelm the body and break down will occur (sunburn, blisters). This even occurs on an emotional level. If there is not some stress, some challenges, in one's life, you become like Howard.  You have no life force or motivation to do anything. Too much stress you become like Mentzer during his dark period.

Anyone who has experienced DOMS find that they are sore. They experience pain using that particular muscle. That that particular muscle no longer has the contractile strength it did previously and you are weaker. You are in the break down state which was proven in the study by the levels of
creatine kinase. And objective measurement. It also showed that strength increased only after they had recovered and their creatine kinase levels went down. These are very real evidence and proof. Something you have never demostrated.

So using some common sense doesn't pain serve a purpose? A signal to back off. When you are in a breakdown state does it make sense to continually break your body down? If you are run down due to lack of sleep should you go with even less sleep to build you systemic ability and perform even longer?

What we have here is a failure to communicate....or simply vastly different experiences and ideas.

So I will do a thought experiment for you and go back maybe 2 million years or longer. Imagine that our ancestors are hungry and are out hunting animals.

Suppose our hunter and gatherer gets into a fight after tracking some big game all day. The hunter is almost killed. This has been an extraordinary struggle

and he limps into a cave to sleep the night. In the morning the hunter awakes with his body quite sore from that struggle. Doms has set in. So what does

the hunter do since he hasn't eaten in a day? Will his muscles be able to operate and allow him to hunt and struggle? If not then we literally wouldn't be here

today. Keeping this in mind do you think that we can train when our bodies are quite sore? Absolutely. That soreness isn't like a sunburn or blister. We are

sore because there has been significant damage in the muscle fibers and they should adapt by getting stronger and perhaps a bit larger. Growth will occur

as long as sufficient nutrients are ingested.

The major stumbling block to hypertrophy is the repeated bout effect. The body will adapt to severe muscular exertion by growing larger and stronger. This

isn't easily measured in most muscles but a tape can record any growth on the arms and calves. Well over a week you can easily measure any changes.

What scientists discovered is that the body adapts to the stress of a severe workout and this adaptation lasts a long time....even months. So when you

encounter the same stress (workout) nothing much will happen except stay the same. There is no additional growth. This explains why so many trainees

are stuck on plateaus. They have to workout doing something more intense and or different from the last workout. This isn't always easy to do.

I give the example of rolling one of those huge machinery tyres that are used in strongman contests. It takes a big effort to get one of them up and rolling

but not so much effort to keep them rolling along. I apply that to hypertrophy training so that the repeated bout effect doesn't set in. Get the muscle quite

sore and then on the third day train again while it is still experiencing DOMS. The trainee won't feel like training but if he does do another hypertrophy

workout he will keep his muscles in a continuous state of growth. It is imperative NOT to recover completely. That is why I believe Jones and Mentzer were

mistaken about what Selye wrote about adaptation. If you wait until the soreness evaporates the repeated bout effect occurs and then you have a big

problem. How to stimulate more hypertrophy since the workout you did last time won't be sufficient.

If you want to keep the muscle continuously growing you HAVE to keep it sore. That is the gist of what I am claiming.

As you can see this will be easy to test. To me this is all very logical because it works on me. Will it work on other people....everyone?

I hope so but obviously don't know. Are our muscular systems actually quite different? I don't think they are different when it comes

to individual fibers and physiology. Some may have more fibers than others but the principle of hypertrophy should apply to

all muscle fibers.

Now let's talk about intensity of effort and hypertrophy. Is this the main factor in hypertrophy? Jones and Mentzer argued that it

was. I submit that this might be true for strength but it is only partly true for muscle size. What else is required? Volume. If you

do sufficient intensity with sufficient volume you should stimulate hypertrophy. How much intensity and how much volume?

The scientists don't know unless they observe what the huge bodybuilders do. What would they find? Well, the champs do

lots and lots of sets with reasonably heavy weights. Of course that isn't specific enough to distill a theory of hypertrophy from.

More in another post.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
How I discovered the DOMS principle. Back in 1999 I decided to have a go getting my arms larger than ever. I wanted 18 inch cold arms.

At the time I knew about mechanical tension experienced by a muscle. It was easy to determine that if the last rep of a set was productive

then how much time is needed to stimulate hypertrophy? Suppose it takes 10 sets going to failure to cause growth. That means the last

rep or two in those sets stimulate growth. Add them up and we find we need something like 20 to 60 seconds of 100% intensity.

What I did for arms were triceps extensions but done in a very strict fashion where the elbows hardly move. I would keep the severe mechanical

tension on the triceps until I had accumulated enough to stimulate hypertrophy. I can tell you my arms were shaking from these intense

workouts. Did I grow? You bet. However, something odd happened. I stopped growing when my arms reached 17 1/2 inches. I tried to

keep the severe mechanical tension on the triceps to no avail. Now, everyone knows it is foolish to keep doing the same thing over and over

and expect a different result. So I tried doing a different exercise. I had built two lying triceps extension machines for our gym. Larry Scott

favoured this exercise and I designed and built apparatus to effectively do that exercise. I even had pads on the sides so that the elbows

couldn't move sideways during the exercise. I applied the same mechanical tension to this exercise and ended up doing many maximum

sets to failure. What was the result? Very sore triceps the next day. How come this happened when I was applying very intense mechanical

tension to the triceps? Well, the lying exercise puts the triceps in a stretched position which increases the tension on the muscle. The pads

keep the elbows from moving. The user has his body in a straight position so that he can apply maximum force. The exercise was simply

more effective. The novelty caused DOMS.

What occurred in my mind was interesting. A light went on and I had a discovery moment. I had been training since 1958 so by 1999 that

was over 40 years. We all knew about DOMS but we always wanted to avoid triggering it. We never gave beginners too many sets and this

way we avoided anyone getting too sore. How come DOMS occurred from a workout that wasn't more severe than previous workouts?

It didn't matter. What was important was that it DID occur. I then clearly knew why so many guys reach plateaus and stop growing.

I didn't stop there because it was obvious to me that DOMS indicates growth especially in a bodybuilder doing hard training. If DOMS

indicates growth then what would happen if you kept the muscle continuously sore? Rapid growth.

I couldn't wait to try this on myself and since my pinch gripping experience suggested training every third day that is exactly what I did.

The DOMS was sustained and I put an inch on my arms from only 10 workouts. One tenth of an inch per workout. Same with the calves.

The method worked like magic for me. I was thrilled to be able to grow rapidly. I knew why I never got really large muscles in the past.

I unwittingly did things that caused injuries in my elbows and Achilles tendons so had to cease that experiment. Now I advocate keeping

elbows clear of pads while working out. We don't let our knees rub on benches during leg curls so the same thing applies to biceps and

triceps. Keep the elbows off pads. For calves and any exercise try to avoid ballistic movements. Chronic ballistic training with heavy

resistance will cause damage in connective tissue. I never thought it was possible to damage the Achilles training calves. Never happened

in over 40 years of training.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
As you can see from the photos above I am not just another armchair thinker. I actually apply what I know to building machines.

I have invented a biceps-supinator machine. Arthur Jones pointed out that one of the functions of the biceps was supination or

twisting the wrists. He never made a Nautilus or Medx machine that would provide resistance for supination and flexion at the

same time. When I got the patent through in the USA I contacted Arthur in his home. I had to get his number from Ellington

Darden. Well, I talked with Arthur for over an hour and he didn't mind Roz listening in on another line. I told him I would set

him a photo of the machine and he declined in case I accused him of copying the design. We had a really good talk and what

a pity I lived too far away to visit him. It isn't often that one meets someone who we connect with on an intellectual level.

I have talked hypertrophy with Mike Mentzer at Golds in 1991. I was living at Ray Mentzer's place so he arranged for us to

meet. We didn't see eye to eye on anything that day. This was before my DOMS theory arrived. Mike had his ideas and I had

mine. I would read his excellent articles in the magazines but I didn't embrace them like some guys did. Ray gave seminars

and conducted training sessions twice at our gyms in Sydney. So we got to know a lot about how Ray trained. He was one

big and strong dude. I recall one day working up to 9 plates on the lying triceps machine. When I finished he figured he

could do the same weight so did many reps without warming up. That was a crazy thing to do. The elbows need to be flushed

with blood before using heavy weights. Ray rubbed his elbows after that effort. That was showing off. He did boast about doing

two deep squats with 925 pounds at his Muscle Mill gym in Torrance.

Ray influences several bodybuilders in our two gyms and I think everyone reduced the number of sets they were doing. We

trained three days a week and did one direct exercise for biceps, for example, and on another day did an indirect exercise for

that muscle. So we were training muscles twice a week. That is close to what I advocated...which is every third day.

What about that invention I came up with...a biceps supinator? It was a daunting machine to build. It has 21 pulleys.

I eventually bit the bullet and did everything myself and completed the first version in 2001, some 10 years after first

applying for a patent. I has been modified several times with the last major changed occurring last year. I finally

reinstalled the machine in our Melrose Park Gym in Sydney. Vince's Gym. I can tell you that this excellent machine

causes DOMS in my biceps every time I have a hard workout on it. That literally doesn't happen with other biceps

exercises. So now I can get both biceps and triceps sore in the same workout since I superset triceps and biceps.

Imagine the potential to build arm size with this knowledge and equipment?! What do the guys in my gym do?

The bodybuilders do mainly free weights. Ah, how I dislike the beliefs of muscleheads.

Sorry, no photo of the modified machine since I might be able to sell the design now.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 19, 2017, 06:45:04 PM
I feel like we've discussed this before.  

Vince, haven't you yet concluded that more pulleys does not mean more better?  Simplicity is the heart of elegant design.  I understand that it was your baby but returning to the drawing board, wiser and experienced, might just be the thing to do at this stage.

So please don't think I'm criticizing the concept by saying someone could just put more weight on one side of a DB or grab the thing off center if they wanted some supination resistance.  

I'm just saying this is a classic 'if I knew then what I know now' situation.  Bringing your vast cumulative expertise to bear at the design phase might yield a result which even the great Arthur Jones would envy.  

Btw these are called torsion springs.  I mentioned them to you about 8 years ago.

(http://www.springcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sts.jpg)

That style is used to hold motor brushes in contact with commutators.  This style is found in mousetraps.  Big ones on garage doors.  

(http://www.diss.on.ca/images/torsion/torsion-main.png)

Even on some equipment.  Isn't that something?

(http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/images10/handgripper_tweener.gif)

If only there were some way to integrate them.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: polychronopolous on April 19, 2017, 07:04:17 PM
Vince Basile's Principles of Supination Hypertrophy will eventually wipe performance enhancing drugs off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 19, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
"Vince, darl!  It's NASA calling!"

"What, again?!  Tell 'em I'm still busy!"
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: pellius on April 19, 2017, 10:14:04 PM
What we have here is a failure to communicate....or simply vastly different experiences and ideas.

So I will do a thought experiment for you and go back maybe 2 million years or longer. Imagine that our ancestors are hungry and are out hunting animals.

Suppose our hunter and gatherer gets into a fight after tracking some big game all day. The hunter is almost killed. This has been an extraordinary struggle

and he limps into a cave to sleep the night. In the morning the hunter awakes with his body quite sore from that struggle. Doms has set in. So what does

the hunter do since he hasn't eaten in a day? Will his muscles be able to operate and allow him to hunt and struggle? If not then we literally wouldn't be here

today. Keeping this in mind do you think that we can train when our bodies are quite sore? Absolutely. That soreness isn't like a sunburn or blister. We are

sore because there has been significant damage in the muscle fibers and they should adapt by getting stronger and perhaps a bit larger. Growth will occur

as long as sufficient nutrients are ingested.

The major stumbling block to hypertrophy is the repeated bout effect. The body will adapt to severe muscular exertion by growing larger and stronger. This

isn't easily measured in most muscles but a tape can record any growth on the arms and calves. Well over a week you can easily measure any changes.

What scientists discovered is that the body adapts to the stress of a severe workout and this adaptation lasts a long time....even months. So when you

encounter the same stress (workout) nothing much will happen except stay the same. There is no additional growth. This explains why so many trainees

are stuck on plateaus. They have to workout doing something more intense and or different from the last workout. This isn't always easy to do.

I give the example of rolling one of those huge machinery tyres that are used in strongman contests. It takes a big effort to get one of them up and rolling

but not so much effort to keep them rolling along. I apply that to hypertrophy training so that the repeated bout effect doesn't set in. Get the muscle quite

sore and then on the third day train again while it is still experiencing DOMS. The trainee won't feel like training but if he does do another hypertrophy

workout he will keep his muscles in a continuous state of growth. It is imperative NOT to recover completely. That is why I believe Jones and Mentzer were

mistaken about what Selye wrote about adaptation. If you wait until the soreness evaporates the repeated bout effect occurs and then you have a big

problem. How to stimulate more hypertrophy since the workout you did last time won't be sufficient.

If you want to keep the muscle continuously growing you HAVE to keep it sore. That is the gist of what I am claiming.

As you can see this will be easy to test. To me this is all very logical because it works on me. Will it work on other people....everyone?

I hope so but obviously don't know. Are our muscular systems actually quite different? I don't think they are different when it comes

to individual fibers and physiology. Some may have more fibers than others but the principle of hypertrophy should apply to

all muscle fibers.

Now let's talk about intensity of effort and hypertrophy. Is this the main factor in hypertrophy? Jones and Mentzer argued that it

was. I submit that this might be true for strength but it is only partly true for muscle size. What else is required? Volume. If you

do sufficient intensity with sufficient volume you should stimulate hypertrophy. How much intensity and how much volume?

The scientists don't know unless they observe what the huge bodybuilders do. What would they find? Well, the champs do

lots and lots of sets with reasonably heavy weights. Of course that isn't specific enough to distill a theory of hypertrophy from.

More in another post.

Many interesting and thought provoking points and I hope to address them all. I will just take them in the order presented and see how far I get.

In regard to your thought experiment I indeed have a very different perspective than you do. If our prehistoric hunter physical abilities is compromise in anyway it will severely reduce his chances for future success. Even at his pristine prime, our hunter's chance for success is tenuous at best. Even less so if he is injured or physically compromised. Unless he is taken care of by others in his group or tribe he will die. And most died in those days. When you consider that life expectancy was in the early forties back in the relatively cushy 1900s I imagine it was barely drinking age "back in the day" of our bare footed spear chucker. Kicking it Hobbesian style -- nasty, brutish and short -- is not conducive to longevity.

I recent watched a show on Cheetahs and how they are losing the great battle of surviving as a species. Their specialty, great speed, comes at a cost and some trade offs. Being so fast Cheetahs have had to give up size and strength. So they are limited in their choices of prey and the prey they do take down are in danger of being swiped by other bigger and stronger predators like hyenas. The Cheetah is too small, weak and solitary to defend it's kill.

A Cheetah has about three attempts to make a kill before their survival rate begins to plummet drastically. After the third attempt a Cheetah's strength and stamina nose dives and they can longer muster the speed and strength to run down and overcome potential prey. It's state of DOMS is not helping them adapt to their survival and unless they recover and get out of that "DOMS" state they will die. And they do die.

In this study they cited a rare case where three Cheetahs banded together. Being solitary makes survival much more difficult just like no man can survive in the wild very long by himself. Maybe, like humans, the Cheetah is discovering new strategies to enhance and continue it's survival. If not, they will die off just like the countless of other species, perhaps like even different versions of humans, died off and became extinct.

A DOMS infected prehistoric hunter has a chance of slim to none to be successful and contributing to a kill. No one wants a limping, heavy breathing hunter bringing the rest of the pack down. Best he stay at home with the women eating roots and berries until he is fit enough, recovered enough and DOMS free to make a meaningful contribution.

Either that or die.

Vince, if you were to have a hand to hand fight to the death with bigmc would you train your ass off all the way until the night before the event or wpuld you want to take a few days off to fully recover and be at your best and strongest?

Human recovery resources has to be prudently divvied out. Just day to day life without weight training requires a full night of sleep and recovery to be ready for the next day. Having a 20 inch arm is pretty low in the pecking order of human survival needs. Even fully recovered, expending recovery resources for large muscles is hardly a top priority. Imagine how much further it drops when you are in a constant state of disrepair, i.e. DOMS

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: jwb on April 19, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
I've used the equipment Vince has in his gym many times.

It isn't the prettiest but it is stout as fuck. Most of it is 2" x 2" tubing but it has very high wall thickness. Most equipment is about 1/8" wall thickness his must be about 1/4" wall thickness because the benches are HEAVY.

All his pin loaded equipment also has something I've never seen before... Linear bearings! Normal equipment has steel guide rods with nylon bushings in the top weight plate. His have hardened rods and linear bearings on the top plate - essentially each weight stack is as smooth as a smith machine which feels incredible on lat pulldowns and cable rows especially.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 05:43:09 AM

Human recovery resources has to be prudently divvied out. Just day to day life without weight training requires a full night of sleep and recovery to be ready for the next day. Having a 20 inch arm is pretty low in the pecking order of human survival needs. Even fully recovered, expending recovery resources for large muscles is hardly a top priority. Imagine how much further it drops when you are in a constant state of disrepair, i.e. DOMS



The point I was making is that DOMS isn't always crippling. Once you warm up you can retrain the sore muscle. If done on the third day you will stimulate more growth.

I found that over several weeks my strength increased steadily as did my muscle size. I was surprised that this happened and it goes against what Jones and Mentzer

claimed. Both said you have to wait until the muscle has adapted before training it again. This seems logical but from my personal experiment with my muscles adaptation

occurred without complete recovery. The adaptation that causes the repeated bout affect didn't express itself. If I am right then this is very important for bodybuilders and

everyone on plateaus.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on April 20, 2017, 06:09:51 AM
if i do back and biceps and only feel doms in my back, even though both back and biceps grow from the workouts what does that tell us?

if i feel doms, and start to consume some food or supplements which supposedly help with recovery and help with doms, is that a bad thing?

if i take 2 months off and when returning to the gym have the worst doms ever, does that tell us anything?


Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 20, 2017, 06:39:12 AM
vince is claiming all these dramatic gains

but in every pic he is morbidly obese

what a crock of shit
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
if i do back and biceps and only feel doms in my back, even though both back and biceps grow from the workouts what does that tell us?

if i feel doms, and start to consume some food or supplements which supposedly help with recovery and help with doms, is that a bad thing?

if i take 2 months off and when returning to the gym have the worst doms ever, does that tell us anything?


If you do back and biceps you usually can generate DOMS in your back but not so easy in the biceps. Doms -> growth. No doms -> stay the same or some growth.

You don't have to experience Doms to gain muscle size.

There has been a lot of research where scientists are trying to eliminate or diminish the Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness.

After a layoff it is easy to get sore. Same goes for doing something unusual or intense. For example, doing a max rep in powerlifting.

What most people do is wait until the soreness goes away before training hard again. That is what most people have done for decades in

bodybuilding. While the soreness is not actually what we are aiming for it can be used as an indicator of muscle damage.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 20, 2017, 08:53:41 AM
see how vince makes statement of fact

based on his own experience of getting sore when training

any morbidly obese retard will feel pain after lifting weights

lets see some evidence that this postulating old fool is on to something

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 20, 2017, 09:14:45 AM
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Thespritz0 on April 20, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
Absolutely. My standard for gym equipment is Getbig proof. In other words, if the muscleheads don't use it then it isn't up to scratch.

As with any invention there has to be modifications after people try it out. There have been several major changes since I first built

the machine by myself back in 2001. I changed angles, the position of two pulleys and removed some pads that were behind the arms.

My son Zorba explained that they weren't necessary and impeded some guys with big arms. I even listened to Goodrum and changed

the colour from magenta to silver. No homo! The latest modification enabled the user to start from a lower bottom position just like you

would doing seated dumbbells. I am afraid that most guys who do bodybuilding are brainwashed re favouring free weights. I would love a gym

with no barbells or dumbbells. The bodybuilders are sufficient there. They do whatever the big guys do in the magazines. Amazing

how training is transmitted and embraced around the world. That is why most guys have no clue about getting big. Reasonably intelligent

Matt Canning has no clue whatever and he ran a forum on bodybuilding. He isn't an expert and what he does testifies to my assessment.

Like, why would a little guy participate in strongman contests? He forgets that Franco almost ruined his career competing in those silly contests.

So what if you can lift a heavy weight. Leave that kind of showing off to the big guys who don't care what they look life. If you want to impress

with your physique then for heaven's sake figure out how to get big. The trouble is that too many guys figure they know what to do but fail to

get decent size. Then they blame the fact that they don't take steroids. When they do and still fail to get big they say they don't have the genetics.

Matt has good delts. If he can make them grow what about the rest of him? If he can figure that one out he might get somewhere. Unfortunately

he will continue doing similar things to no avail. Maybe he will become a writer for a magazine?
^^
LARRY SCOTT used to endorse and work out on a biceps supinator machine back in the 1980's...
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Grape Ape on April 20, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
^^
LARRY SCOTT used to endorse and work out on a biceps supinator machine back in the 1980's...

pffft....plastic flywheel.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 20, 2017, 11:27:41 AM
Right there I know that you are NOT an expert. Whatever do you actually know about genetics and muscular size potential? Nothing. Just guessing like most people.

 ::)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 04:01:47 PM
::)

People claim they know who has the 'genetics' to become a champion and huge.

Would you predict that a young Larry Scott would be Mr Olympia?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
^^
LARRY SCOTT used to endorse and work out on a biceps supinator machine back in the 1980's...

Having handles that twist do not a supinator make. There is no resistance for supination. On my

invention there are two weight stacks. One for flexion and one for supination.

Someone posted that if my machine is too complex I should have made it simpler. Well, how can you make

a machine with two degrees of freedom simpler? By necessity it has to be more complicated than typical

biceps machines.

When I was designing the machine way back in 1986-7 I looked at the other biceps machines by other

manufacturers. Nautilus had a machine where your arms were elevated in front of you. Others made them

at 45 degrees with a pad for upper arms. I reasoned that the position that allowed the most force by the

user was the seated inclined position. Especially if there is a foot rest to push against.

This was the machine back in 2004-5. Two pulleys have been moved, angles changed, and pads removed since then.
Photo was a flash into a mirror.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
I've used the equipment Vince has in his gym many times.

It isn't the prettiest but it is stout as fuck. Most of it is 2" x 2" tubing but it has very high wall thickness. Most equipment is about 1/8" wall thickness his must be about 1/4" wall thickness because the benches are HEAVY.

All his pin loaded equipment also has something I've never seen before... Linear bearings! Normal equipment has steel guide rods with nylon bushings in the top weight plate. His have hardened rods and linear bearings on the top plate - essentially each weight stack is as smooth as a smith machine which feels incredible on lat pulldowns and cable rows especially.

Have you been to the gym recently? If so have you tried the latest version of the biceps-supinator machine? It helps if I am there to show you how to get the best out of using it.

When I started building gym equipment for other gyms in 1981 I called my business Lifetime Gym Equipment. I changed it to Vince's Gym Equipment by 1984. I wanted to design

and build sturdy gym equipment that bodybuilders couldn't destroy! The first benches were made from 5 X 2 inch RHS and I welded 1/4 inch angle iron on each side to bolt the 1 inch plywood to.

You could have dropped those benches out of a cargo jet and not damaged them. The wall thickness was 4.9 mm which was thicker than what others were using. I would have used

stainless steel if it were cheaper. SS costs 10 times what ordinary steel costs. SS = no rust or paint. I use stainless for all handles and bars in my gym.

Some members tell me they have trained in many gyms in Sydney and around the world but consider my equipment to be the smoothest and best they have ever used.

For a reason similar to my not getting blue stars I have never been mentioned in a bodybuilding magazine as a gym equipment inventor and builder.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
Here are some leg machines I designed and built. The hack squat is also a standing calf machine. It took 9 months to complete. Lots of polished stainless steel on it.

It was built in 1992 and modified a decade later. I made the angle steeper so that the shafts wouldn't flex as much when 1000 pounds was used. Look at the counter

weight....solid 6 inch stainless steel running on linear bearings. You won't find quality like this in other gym equipment.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Kwon on April 20, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 05:11:56 PM
Gotta say....there are a lot of total f-wits on this forum!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: WalterWhite on April 20, 2017, 05:31:29 PM
Did you ever discuss the cycle you did before your last contest?

Who took this pic?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 07:36:45 PM
Did you ever discuss the cycle you did before your last contest?

Who took this pic?

Photo probably taken by Roz.

Steroid cycle? Two Dianabol tablets a day for 50 days since there were 100 tablets in the bottle. Used 2 bottles in 1975. That was it, nothing else.

I hate needles so avoided anything that could be injected. Didn't get much hypertrophy but my strength went up a bit. I got the Dianabol from

a Chinese pharmacist in Kings Cross, Sydney. Maybe it wasn't very good because nothing happened re muscle size. That is when I easily

cleaned and pressed 270 pounds. It flew up but I didn't try any more on the day. I could do 6 reps with 225 cold. I did a strict 400 pound bench

press weighing 200 pounds. I competed at 190 but still didn't have enough cuts.

We had Ray and girlfriend Kathy staying at our place then Bev and Steve came to stay as well. I drove them around Sydney and here they are at

Bondi Beach. Roz and I slept on the sofa while Bev and Steve had our king size waterbed. Before they left I told Steve I would stay at his place

if I ever visited New York. The jerk replied, "Don't bother!"
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Dave D on April 20, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Have you been to the gym recently? If so have you tried the latest version of the biceps-supinator machine? It helps if I am there to show you how to get the best out of using it.

When I started building gym equipment for other gyms in 1981 I called my business Lifetime Gym Equipment. I changed it to Vince's Gym Equipment by 1984. I wanted to design

and build sturdy gym equipment that bodybuilders couldn't destroy! The first benches were made from 5 X 2 inch RHS and I welded 1/4 inch angle iron on each side to bolt the 1 inch plywood to.

You could have dropped those benches out of a cargo jet and not damaged them. The wall thickness was 4.9 mm which was thicker than what others were using. I would have used

stainless steel if it were cheaper. SS costs 10 times what ordinary steel costs. SS = no rust or paint. I use stainless for all handles and bars in my gym.

Some members tell me they have trained in many gyms in Sydney and around the world but consider my equipment to be the smoothest and best they have ever used.

For a reason similar to my not getting blue stars I have never been mentioned in a bodybuilding magazine as a gym equipment inventor and builder.

Vince I ask this with all due respect, but if the equipment is so complex that you need to show someone how to properly use it (and this is a gym rat) haven't you done your product a disservice? You're training biceps not flying a plane.


Bigmc brings up a valid point about you not being in good shape in any of the photos you've posted. That's not to say you need to be in contest shape, but you should at least have some musculature and definition.

You could very well be the present day Arthur Jones, if your equipment is so good (and I'm sure it's better than 95% of what's in gyms today) why isn't it being sold? Is it because you're in Australia and shipping costs prevent you from marketing it to the masses?
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
Vince I ask this with all due respect, but if the equipment is so complex that you need to show someone how to properly use it (and this is a gym rat) haven't you done your product a disservice? You're training biceps not flying a plane.


Bigmc brings up a valid point about you not being in good shape in any of the photos you've posted. That's not to say you need to be in contest shape, but you should at least have some musculature and definition.

You could very well be the present day Arthur Jones, if your equipment is so good (and I'm sure it's better than 95% of what's in gyms today) why isn't it being sold? Is it because you're in Australia and shipping costs prevent you from marketing it to the masses?

I am no Arthur Jones. That guy was smart and knew how to promote products. I dislike talking to gym equipment companies.

I haven't tried to sell any gym equipment since the last gym I installed in Sydney in 1985. Gym owners wouldn't pay what it cost me to produce so from then on I  made

equipment for our gyms only. We had two gyms for several years. Eventually we combined the two gyms so had heaps of equipment.

I was watching an advanced guy use my machine. I figured since he was a big guy he knew how to use it. Well, he completely missed that you had to grip the handles overhand if you wanted to have resistance on the twisting movement.

There are still several adjustments that can be made. Seat height, back rest position, leg position and finally handle position. Since the handles telescope to accommodate different length arms many people pull them out instead of

rotating the arms of the machine. Yes, the machine will self-adjust after a few reps but I like to be there to make sure they are setup in the optimal position. Bodybuilders don't like using new equipment for some reason.

What does my current physique have to do with my gym equipment? Arthur Jones wasn't much to look at but he made lots of great equipment. My arms and legs are fine. Just have a bigger waist than I would like. Trouble is I don't

exercise much and meals are usually enjoyable so I finish them and like to have dessert. Bodyweight has stayed the same for the last 10 years or so. Things won't change unless I get motivated. I would rather edit photos and post

online than go to the gym. Go figure.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
I was always interested in pinch gripping after I saw guys in the magazines holding onto floor joists only with their hands. I started out in a basement gym

of a neighbour so I tried pinching those joists until I could support my 165 pound body for a brief moment. We had some casual pinching contests in Western

Gym in Vancouver and I always beat everyone. So when I opened our gym in Sydney in 1971 I assembled a pinching apparatus made out of the 4 inch by 2 inch

plate with a hole in the middle to hold a bar that could be loaded with additional weight. We used that in some of our pinching contests. When the comp got

close it was difficult to judge because it wasn't always obvious if the apparatus cleared the floor. That was when I decided to build a machine that solved the

cheating problem. The first machine was made with small 2.5 kg plates. The stack weighed 50 kg with the plate. I used polished stainless steel to avoid any

rough surfaces you find on steel and cast iron. At the first contest using the machine I lifted the whole stack plus a 2.5 kg plate. So I built a second machine

with 5 kg plates plus several 2.5 kg plates near the top. I had 80 kg on the stack. When we used the new machine in a contest I lifted 82.5 kg. That far

exceeded the world record in one hand pinch gripping. I needed more weight so replaced some of the small plates with larger plates. The machine now had

90 kg. The next contest saw me lift 92.5 kg which is the most anyone has ever lifted on it. I then replaced more plates so that we now have 100kg. No one

has ever lifted the whole weight stack. I had to raise the platform because the standing position ended up causing hip and back pain because of the lop-sided

effort over and over. I did do some left hand pinching but used my right in competions.

Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Marty Champions on April 20, 2017, 08:51:43 PM
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: WalterWhite on April 20, 2017, 10:57:35 PM
Photo probably taken by Roz.

Steroid cycle? Two Dianabol tablets a day for 50 days since there were 100 tablets in the bottle. Used 2 bottles in 1975. That was it, nothing else.

I hate needles so avoided anything that could be injected. Didn't get much hypertrophy but my strength went up a bit. I got the Dianabol from

a Chinese pharmacist in Kings Cross, Sydney. Maybe it wasn't very good because nothing happened re muscle size. That is when I easily

cleaned and pressed 270 pounds. It flew up but I didn't try any more on the day. I could do 6 reps with 225 cold. I did a strict 400 pound bench

press weighing 200 pounds. I competed at 190 but still didn't have enough cuts.

We had Ray and girlfriend Kathy staying at our place then Bev and Steve came to stay as well. I drove them around Sydney and here they are at

Bondi Beach. Roz and I slept on the sofa while Bev and Steve had our king size waterbed. Before they left I told Steve I would stay at his place

if I ever visited New York. The jerk replied, "Don't bother!"

Small world for sure and the D-bol back then was very potent stuff. This is your thread so I won't go into my powerlifting history but I did train with Bev a few times at Pep's Gym in Framingham MA back in the early 80's. At the time I think Steve was a truck driver so he just kind of hung around. He seemed like an ass, however, never opened his mouth at Pep's because he knew better.

 She was a beast squatter and looked nothing like she did when she switched to bb.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: 10pints on April 20, 2017, 11:52:05 PM
I, for one, would relish the opportunity to try the supinator. And I have to say, the machines that you have produced look exceptionally well made. The proof is in the pudding with these things. I recently tried a lat pulldown machine in a hotel in Madrid, never seen one like it before, best damn lat machine i ever used. Made the one at my local gym seem amateurish.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 11:52:24 PM
Small world for sure and the D-bol back then was very potent stuff. This is your thread so I won't go into my powerlifting history but I did train with Bev a few times at Pep's Gym in Framingham MA back in the early 80's. At the time I think Steve was a truck driver so he just kind of hung around. He seemed like an ass, however, never opened his mouth at Pep's because he knew better.

 She was a beast squatter and looked nothing like she did when she switched to bb.

Bev was the first woman to officially bench over 300 pounds. She was light heavyweight then. She eventually did something like 330 pounds. She would warm up with 225. One day in my gym she asked Col if she could work in with him. He didn't mind so started taking off a 45 from one end. He had 225 on the bar and was doing a couple of reps. Imagine his dismay when she did something like 10 reps with it!
Bev squatted with something like 500 pounds. Strong gal. She never tested positive for steroids, either, so she was smart, too.
I talked her into doing bodybuilding and we worked on a posing routine for her. Her mum made her posing outfit for her. Well, she guest posed at the 80 Olympia and we anxiously waited for the audience response. She got as much applause as the champion bodybuilders that night, including Arnold.
She was invited to competed in a Pumping Iron II...the Women and in 1983 placed 8th in that contest. They thought it would be a good idea to have big Steve drive Bev around and look out for her. Well, they got married.
The IFBB never let Bev win the Ms Olympia because it would be bad for that pageant. They fixed the contest in 83 shamelessly then did the same thing at the Olympia.
Steve was smart enough to open a gym in Bev's name. She is the one with the pleasant personality. Everyone likes Bev. Steve? A jerk. Not sure they are still together as a couple.
Anyway, Steve wouldn't let her respond to emails so she couldn't reply to me. I was pissed off that she couldn't mention my name when she did an article for a muscle magazine. Steve is one controlling prick.
I took photos of Bev and some were sold by Roz who was the manage of the Aussie women's powerlifting team. Bev had a nose job and now looks quite different. When Steve was in Australia he would remove some photos of Bev
from Gael Martin's photo album. In Pumping Iron 2, which was never released in Australia, Bev had to return to Australia. While out of the country some relatives of Steve wanted to see a photo of her. When he saw big Bev he asked,"Is that the goil?!" Made me laugh at the time. So Steve was embarrassed and Bev did things to make him less unhappy. She has visited Australia a few times but I haven't seen her since she opened her gym. That was a long time ago. When she first returned to Australia Steve told her who she could and couldn't visit. Imagine being married to that jerk!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 20, 2017, 11:56:38 PM
I, for one, would relish the opportunity to try the supinator. And I have to say, the machines that you have produced look exceptionally well made. The proof is in the pudding with these things. I recently tried a lat pulldown machine in a hotel in Madrid, never seen one like it before, best damn lat machine i ever used. Made the one at my local gym seem amateurish.

My lat machines have 300 or 330 pounds on the stacks. Linear Bearings and plenty of stainless steel handles to choose from.

My biceps machine is something new. I get my biceps sore every hard workout on them. Can't do that on the Nautilus Biceps Machine.

You would think bodybuilders would be delighted to try it. Nope, most are dopes and stick

with free weights. Read some of the comments in this thread and be ashamed of so many ignorant individuals.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 20, 2017, 11:59:46 PM


We had Ray and girlfriend Kathy staying at our place then Bev and Steve came to stay as well. I drove them around Sydney and here they are at

Bondi Beach. Roz and I slept on the sofa while Bev and Steve had our king size waterbed. Before they left I told Steve I would stay at his place

if I ever visited New York. The jerk replied, "Don't bother!"



What a jerk..

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: polychronopolous on April 21, 2017, 12:13:05 AM
Arnold, Arthur Jones and Goatboy were all far superior in their respective fields than Vince B ever was.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
Arnold, Arthur Jones and Goatboy were all far superior in their respective fields than Vince B ever was.

Goatboy was good at what? Shit stirring. LOL!

Arnold never owed a gym or taught high school. Neither did Arthur Jones. Goodboy was an anonymous entity.

I graduated from three universities and have a MEd from Sydney University. Arnold and Goatboy definitely

didn't make any gym equipment. My members know that my machines are superior to the Nautilus ones.

Ray Mentzer had to admit mine were smoother than Nautilus. They have to be because the linear bearings have

a low co-efficient of friction. Only Goatboy ever posted on Getbig.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 21, 2017, 01:08:31 AM
Vince, you still have not addressed the issue that I have brought up here, as I have elsewhere, and as others have as well.

You contend that DOMS is a necessary condition for muscle hypertrophy. I presented a study, a peer reviewed study published in The Journal of Physiology , that claims the exact opposite. That being in a state of DOMS prevents muscle hypertrophy and the subjects lost both strength and muscle size. Only after DOMS did strength and size increase. Objective evidence is presented to support their claims.

You, not surprisingly, dismissed the study though unable to refute it which suggest a personal bias over the search for truth.

Now, how about you? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Scientific evidence which you insist on from others. Some years back you did take on the challenge of demonstrating effectiveness of your theory using on yourself. I backed you 100% even though I was routinely mocked for supporting you. We all remember that that experiment ended in abject failure.

Please present your evidence that exceeds the study I presented as you consider it insufficient and lacking.

"Resistance training-induced changes in integrated myofibrillar protein synthesis are related to hypertrophy only after attenuation of muscle damage"

 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 01:14:38 AM
vince only answers people who kiss his ass

truth is he is morbidly obese

and his machined are over engineered

the best engineering is simple and cost effective

fact
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 01:28:03 AM
Vince, you still have not addressed the issue that I have brought up here, as I have elsewhere, and as others have as well.

You contend that DOMS is a necessary condition for muscle hypertrophy. I presented a study, a peer reviewed study published in The Journal of Physiology , that claims the exact opposite. That being in a state of DOMS prevents muscle hypertrophy and the subjects lost both strength and muscle size. Only after DOMS did strength and size increase. Objective evidence is presented to support their claims.

You, not surprisingly, dismissed the study though unable to refute it which suggest a personal bias over the search for truth.

Now, how about you? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Scientific evidence which you insist on from others. Some years back you did take on the challenge of demonstrating effectiveness of your theory using on yourself. I backed you 100% even though I was routinely mocked for supporting you. We all remember that that experiment ended in abject failure.

Please present your evidence that exceeds the study I presented as you consider it insufficient and lacking.

"Resistance training-induced changes in integrated myofibrillar protein synthesis are related to hypertrophy only after attenuation of muscle damage"

 

Pellius, please reread my replies above. I don't claim you need DOMS to grow. Most bodybuilders grow without any of that delayed pain. Of course they grow slowly and most plateau.

What I found was that if you are training hard and somehow trigger DOMS then you will grow. If you keep the muscle in a state of soreness you will continue growing...rapidly.

I would have to read the details of the study to see what protocols were done. That makes a big difference. Why I dismiss this study is because it doesn't apply to bodybuilders

already training hard in gyms all over the world.

Remember when we debated protein requirement? Many believe you need extra protein. Mike Mentzer and I argue that you do not and will get sufficient without supplements.

So who is right about this requirement? Guys who do a lot of things daily and are lean won't be able to gain much size. So how would you know if my theory is false?

I don't expect internet experts to try anything at all. Much too difficult and confronting. Who out there wants to abandon his precious beliefs about lifting weights? If you can

be mistaken about things like bodybuilding then what does that say about your education and knowledge?

Like I said, you have to be an expert in hypertrophy to know another expert. So I am not getting very far with the intellects assembled here!

Btw, there is a study that suggests that DOMS indicates hypertrophy. Will find it another day. Weekend here.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
poor deluded vince

stalking round his empty gyms looking for customers to patronise

how he longs to be recognised as a pioneer

he has invented is a machine with 5000 moving parts to do bicep curls

poor vince
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on April 21, 2017, 01:54:16 AM
so i reckon the doms theory is more for the advanced bodybuilder, someone who pushed himself as far as he can go using traditional routines/protocols?

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 03:24:08 AM
Hi Basile. If I would like to walk around manly beach and take some photos of the sexy sheilas and lads, and not draw too much attention to myself, do you have some tips for how I can pull that off?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 03:41:46 AM
Hi Basile. If I would like to walk around manly beach and take some photos of the sexy sheilas and lads, and not draw too much attention to myself, do you have some tips for how I can pull that off?

Lot of sleazy entities on Getbig. No homo here.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 03:43:47 AM
so i reckon the doms theory is more for the advanced bodybuilder, someone who pushed himself as far as he can go using traditional routines/protocols?



I am talking about physiology so my theory applies to everyone doing resistance training.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 03:44:34 AM
Hi Basile. If I would like to walk around manly beach and take some photos of the sexy sheilas and lads, and not draw too much attention to myself, do you have some tips for how I can pull that off?

are you saying there is a sinister undertone to vinces photography
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 21, 2017, 03:57:03 AM
Pellius, please reread my replies above. I don't claim you need DOMS to grow. Most bodybuilders grow without any of that delayed pain. Of course they grow slowly and most plateau.

What I found was that if you are training hard and somehow trigger DOMS then you will grow. If you keep the muscle in a state of soreness you will continue growing...rapidly.

I would have to read the details of the study to see what protocols were done. That makes a big difference. Why I dismiss this study is because it doesn't apply to bodybuilders

already training hard in gyms all over the world.

Remember when we debated protein requirement? Many believe you need extra protein. Mike Mentzer and I argue that you do not and will get sufficient without supplements.

So who is right about this requirement? Guys who do a lot of things daily and are lean won't be able to gain much size. So how would you know if my theory is false?

I don't expect internet experts to try anything at all. Much too difficult and confronting. Who out there wants to abandon his precious beliefs about lifting weights? If you can

be mistaken about things like bodybuilding then what does that say about your education and knowledge?

Like I said, you have to be an expert in hypertrophy to know another expert. So I am not getting very far with the intellects assembled here!

Btw, there is a study that suggests that DOMS indicates hypertrophy. Will find it another day. Weekend here.

So still no evidence that DOMS causes hypertrophy. I just want it here for the record.

Why does it matter what protocols were used? As long as the protocol stressed the muscle to the point where DOMS occur why does it matter if it was squats, leg press, lunges, extensions...?

And why doesn't this study apply to bodybuilders? Jones did a lot of his studies and experiments on students at West Point. Whether you call yourself a bodybuilder, power lifter, physique homo... the principles of resistant training apply to all. You are still a human being with identical biological and physiological qualities.  Jones said that. Mentzer said that. You said that. If the principles are sound they apply to all.

And about sufficient protein. This is where common sense applies. If one is a 180 pounds and wants to gain 30 pounds of pure muscle are you arguing that one does not have to increase his protein intake? Of course he will have to increase his intake of everything. You can't gain muscle without protein. Mentzer and Jones said you don't need as much protein as the Weider crew and conventional wisdom claimed. Viator was force fed during the Colorado experiment and just the dramatic increase in calories automatically caused him to meet the protein requirements to gain so much muscle in such a short period of time.

Not needing as much protein as the industry claimed is not the same as not needing more.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on April 21, 2017, 03:58:06 AM
They have to be because the linear bearings have a low co-efficient of friction.

Um, not trying to hack on you but linear roller bearings are used where there's a radial load.  They provide low friction... under load.  That's what bearings do.

Weight stacks are vertical and are lifted plumb.  There's no load bearing on the guide rods.  That's why no one uses linear bearings and hardened rods for weight stack guides.  Nothing's borne on them.  They're guides.

If you really want to use bearings you'd put them in the pulleys instead of the usual bushings.  Yes, I'm certain that you did.

Maybe you just dig the whooshing sound.  Ta na ka.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 04:14:59 AM
Um, not trying to hack on you but linear roller bearings are used where there's a radial load.  They provide low friction... under load.  That's what bearings do.

Weight stacks are vertical and are lifted plumb.  There's no load bearing on the guide rods.  That's why no one uses linear bearings and hardened rods for weight stack guides.  Nothing's borne on them.  They're guides.

If you really want to use bearings you'd put them in the pulleys instead of the usual bushings.  Yes, I'm certain that you did.

Maybe you just dig the whooshing sound.  Ta na ka.

Who said anything about roller bearings? The ones I use have rows of ball bearings. I believe I was the first to use them in Smith machines.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 04:15:53 AM
are you saying there is a sinister undertone to vinces photography

I am saying that if you need fetish photos done in sydney, you know who to call...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 04:18:55 AM
I am saying that if you need fetish photos done in sydney, you know who to call...

he has that creepy look nailed down
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
this is living proof that vince is growing like a weed utilizing  his patented doms and ballbearings method of training
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on April 21, 2017, 04:22:01 AM
Who said anything about roller bearings? The ones I use have rows of ball bearings. I believe I was the first to use them in Smith machines.

Right.  Rolling element bearings.  Linear shaft ball roller bearings.  You don't need 'em.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 04:22:36 AM
he has that creepy look nailed down

would love to be that tree.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 04:23:56 AM
So still no evidence that DOMS causes hypertrophy. I just want it here for the record.

Why does it matter what protocols were used? As long as the protocol stressed the muscle to the point where DOMS occur why does it matter if it was squats, leg press, lunges, extensions...?

And why doesn't this study apply to bodybuilders? Jones did a lot of his studies and experiments on students at West Point. Whether you call yourself a bodybuilder, power lifter, physique homo... the principles of resistant training apply to all. You are still a human being with identical biological and physiological qualities.  Jones said that. Mentzer said that. You said that. If the principles are sound they apply to all.

And about sufficient protein. This is where common sense applies. If one is a 180 pounds and wants to gain 30 pounds of pure muscle are you arguing that one does not have to increase his protein intake? Of course he will have to increase his intake of everything. You can't gain muscle without protein. Mentzer and Jones said you don't need as much protein as the Weider crew and conventional wisdom claimed. Viator was force fed during the Colorado experiment and just the dramatic increase in calories automatically caused him to meet the protein requirements to gain so much muscle in such a short period of time.

Not needing as much protein as the industry claimed is not the same as not needing more.

Doms doesn't cause hypertrophy, the workout does. Doms indicates a level of damage in the muscles.

Isn't it obvious that the cited study doesn't apply to bodybuilders already training without doms?

If one eats a balanced diet no extra protein is needed. There will be more protein if more food is eaten to

gain weight.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 21, 2017, 04:25:37 AM
My lat machines have 300 or 330 pounds on the stacks. Linear Bearings and plenty of stainless steel handles to choose from.

My biceps machine is something new. I get my biceps sore every hard workout on them. Can't do that on the Nautilus Biceps Machine.

You would think bodybuilders would be delighted to try it. Nope, most are dopes and stick

with free weights. Read some of the comments in this thread and be ashamed of so many ignorant individuals.

so you get DOMS but zero growth?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 04:28:05 AM
Right.  Rolling element bearings.  Linear shaft ball roller bearings.  You don't need 'em.

No one needs to bodybuild either.

When I started making gym equipment I wanted the highest quality that was affordable.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 21, 2017, 04:30:12 AM
No one needs to bodybuild either.
wrong font of peace, gimmick slip up number 3
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on April 21, 2017, 04:31:20 AM
No one needs to bodybuild either.

Don't feel bad.  I do stupid shit all the time too.  It's all part of the great adventure.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 04:37:58 AM
x

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 04:46:19 AM
wrong font of peace, gimmick slip up number 3

Posting from iPad......now back on a PC.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 04:52:25 AM
Posting from iPad.

on a scale from 1 - 10, how hard is your erection when you re-read the erotic story I wrote about Goodrum stimulating his own anus in a Jaguar?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Kwon on April 21, 2017, 04:59:30 AM
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 05:11:48 AM
7 out of 10 for the vince gimmick

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Dave D on April 21, 2017, 05:14:40 AM
(https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=471911&d=1486988700)

Is this a recent picture?  I can't see the round moon.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 05:38:08 AM
7 out of 10 for the vince gimmick



After an extensive linguistics analysis of Vince B's posts, I have concluded, that this is the real Vince.  Not a gimmick.   :-\
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dseiler on April 21, 2017, 06:50:25 AM
After an extensive linguistics analysis of Vince B's posts, I have concluded, that this is the real Vince.  Not a gimmick.   :-\

I've been known to be a cunning linguist. (Easy, yes, but still funny.)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 07:03:43 AM
I've been known to be a cunning linguist. (Easy, yes, but still funny.)

 :D

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4a/11/1c/4a111cefb139e10a03868e3635e50185.gif)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 07:17:02 AM
If it is Vince he's been going heavy on the retard pills
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 07:20:54 AM
If it is Vince he's been going heavy on the retard pills

I thought the same thing at first, that's why I investigated.  I'm 90% sure it's the real Vince.  It's possible that he has early onset dementia, and that is the reasoning behind his walls of text.   :-\
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 21, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
(https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=471911&d=1486988700)

it is flat
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 21, 2017, 07:35:06 AM
I thought the same thing at first, that's why I investigated.  I'm 90% sure it's the real Vince.  It's possible that he has early onset dementia, and that is the reasoning behind his walls of text.   :-\

It is the real Basile. No gimmick could come this close to his original writing (style).
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 21, 2017, 07:35:42 AM
My lat machines have 300 or 330 pounds on the stacks. Linear Bearings and plenty of stainless steel handles to choose from.

My biceps machine is something new. I get my biceps sore every hard workout on them. Can't do that on the Nautilus Biceps Machine.

You would think bodybuilders would be delighted to try it. Nope, most are dopes and stick

with free weights. Read some of the comments in this thread and be ashamed of so many ignorant individuals.

I don't know what the fuss is about biceps exercises, it's pretty easy to hit them. Lats take more focus. Love the pullover, and the front lever raise (calisthenic version).
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on April 21, 2017, 10:22:54 AM
isnt triceps more important? both functionally and takes up bigger portion of the arm
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 21, 2017, 11:04:55 AM
I thought the same thing at first, that's why I investigated.  I'm 90% sure it's the real Vince.  It's possible that he has early onset dementia, and that is the reasoning behind his walls of text.   :-\

could be both

joon pays people for their log in details

thats why dj181 grew a set all of a sudden
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Kwon on April 21, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
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Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 21, 2017, 11:45:33 AM
Having handles that twist do not a supinator make. There is no resistance for supination. On my

invention there are two weight stacks. One for flexion and one for supination.

Someone posted that if my machine is too complex I should have made it simpler. Well, how can you make

a machine with two degrees of freedom simpler? By necessity it has to be more complicated than typical

biceps machines.

When I was designing the machine way back in 1986-7 I looked at the other biceps machines by other

manufacturers. Nautilus had a machine where your arms were elevated in front of you. Others made them

at 45 degrees with a pad for upper arms. I reasoned that the position that allowed the most force by the

user was the seated inclined position. Especially if there is a foot rest to push against.

This was the machine back in 2004-5. Two pulleys have been moved, angles changed, and pads removed since then.
Photo was a flash into a mirror.

My gym has this Curl machine by atlantis. For the record I make sure my elbows are off the pad(benefit of having Vince Goodrum like limbs)
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 21, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
My gym has this Curl machine by atlantis. For the record I make sure my elbows are off the pad(benefit of having Vince Goodrum like limbs)

sorry forgot the vid
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Zillotch on April 21, 2017, 11:46:53 AM
It is the real Basile. No gimmick could come this close to his original writing (style).

sure they could.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 21, 2017, 03:06:33 PM
Doms doesn't cause hypertrophy, the workout does. Doms indicates a level of damage in the muscles.

Isn't it obvious that the cited study doesn't apply to bodybuilders already training without doms?

If one eats a balanced diet no extra protein is needed. There will be more protein if more food is eaten to

gain weight.

No, it is not obvious. I'm obvious not that smart. Please break it down for me.

Balance diet? Again, not smart enough to keep up with you. Please define.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
It is the real Basile. No gimmick could come this close to his original writing (style).

No gimmick would argue like I do to defend my theories and equipment, etc.

 A gimmick would imitate things I said to poke fun at me.

I have posted a new photo of Ray Mentzer here. Also a new photo posing a biceps while sitting

on my Biceps-supinator machine.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
I don't know what the fuss is about biceps exercises, it's pretty easy to hit them. Lats take more focus. Love the pullover, and the front lever raise (calisthenic version).

Of all the muscles in the body the biceps are difficult to get sore from training. Could be because we use them all

the time.

The biceps have three functions, flexion, supination, and lifting the arm. Since my machine is the only one that provides

adjustable resistance for supination it makes sense that it will train the muscle more effectively than other machines. Thus, I

am able to generate DOMS in the biceps after hard workouts on my machine. They can be brutally hard because you can do one

arm at a time then at the end do partials and/or supination only movements.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 21, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
Of all the muscles in the body the biceps are difficult to get sore from training. Could be because we use them all

the time.

The biceps have three functions, flexion, supination, and lifting the arm. Since my machine is the only one that provides

adjustable resistance for supination it makes sense that it will train the muscle more effectively than other machines. Thus, I

am able to generate DOMS in the biceps after hard workouts on my machine. They can be brutally hard because you can do one

arm at a time then at the end do partials and/or supination only movements.

I like the adjustments you made
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 07:47:28 PM
No gimmick would argue like I do to defend my theories and equipment, etc.

 A gimmick would imitate things I said to poke fun at me.

I have posted a new photo of Ray Mentzer here. Also a new photo posing a biceps while sitting

on my Biceps-supinator machine.

Can you post an upside down cup photo?   :o
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
Can you post an upside down cup photo?   :o

How about posting a photo of yourself so we can see the intelligent guy behind the gimmick.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 07:55:16 PM
How about posting a photo of yourself so we can see the intelligent guy behind the gimmick.

I've never posted a photo online, and never will.  I'm not that stupid.  You on the other hand have posted many, willingly.  So, one more with an upside down cup should be no problem.  Balls in your court gimmick.   :-*
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
I am interested in AI, computers and if and when machines will surpass humans in thinking ability.

No doubt some machines already surpass many of the flotsam here like Wiggs.

Wiggs isn't a dope but he sure believes a lot of crap. Could have too much time and goes

online for an education only to be mislead by crazy people. Well, if you can believe in

a religion you can believe anything is possible. Contrast those beliefs with ideas about

how to make muscles larger...hypertrophy/hyperplasia. For God you accept without evidence

whereas for theories about hypertrophy there must be ways to either demonstrate the

phenomenon or get results. What continues to amaze me is the lack of doing personal

experiments to find out if a theory or method works. One workout for arms or calves

would establish a result and two weeks would prove the method...or otherwise.

So Pellius presents a study showing that DOMS affected subjects didn't grow. That

is a worry for my theory. I then have to examine that article and find out why they

didn't grow. If not, then my theory is not valid. So I would have to alter it to include

the results of that experiment.

Would you believe that in the sixties and seventies studies were done on the effectiveness

of anabolic steroids and most didn't find that steroids worked. One problem was that those

conducting the experiments didn't include ingesting more calories as part of the study.

The results in those days were amusing to bodybuilders because they knew from experience

that steroids worked. Most users kept quiet about any involvement with drugs because that

was considered cheating. That was before the medical people and politicians decided to

ban the use of growth inducing drugs for muscle building. How come they allow dangerous

drugs like Botox to be used to make people look younger? Those doctors are hypocrites

because giving dangerous drugs to people who are not sick goes against the oath they took before

becoming doctors.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
I've never posted a photo online, and never will.  I'm not that stupid.  You on the other hand have posted many, willingly.  So, one more with an upside down cup should be no problem.  Balls in your court gimmick.   :-*

I have long held a motto.....fear no man!

It isn't because you are too smart to post a photo it is because most of you flotsam fear the consequences of being known.

There are people here who would be targets for some overdue reprisals while others would be sued for defamation.

I find it ironical that one of the few guys here who wouldn't use a gimmick is accused of being one. What you doubters reveal

is a lack of profiling ability as well as having limited reasoning ability in general.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 21, 2017, 08:11:23 PM
I am interested in AI, computers and if and when machines will surpass humans in thinking ability.

No doubt some machines already surpass many of the flotsam here like Wiggs.

Wiggs isn't a dope but he sure believes a lot of crap. Could have too much time and goes

online for an education only to be mislead by crazy people. Well, if you can believe in

a religion you can believe anything is possible. Contrast those beliefs with ideas about

how to make muscles larger...hypertrophy/hyperplasia. For God you accept without evidence

whereas for theories about hypertrophy there must be ways to either demonstrate the

phenomenon or get results. What continues to amaze me is the lack of doing personal

experiments to find out if a theory or method works. One workout for arms or calves

would establish a result and two weeks would prove the method...or otherwise.

So Pellius presents a study showing that DOMS affected subjects didn't grow. That

is a worry for my theory. I then have to examine that article and find out why they

didn't grow. If not, then my theory is not valid. So I would have to alter it to include

the results of that experiment.

Would you believe that in the sixties and seventies studies were done on the effectiveness

of anabolic steroids and most didn't find that steroids worked. One problem was that those

conducting the experiments didn't include ingesting more calories as part of the study.

The results in those days were amusing to bodybuilders because they knew from experience

that steroids worked. Most users kept quiet about any involvement with drugs because that

was considered cheating. That was before the medical people and politicians decided to

ban the use of growth inducing drugs for muscle building. How come they allow dangerous

drugs like Botox to be used to make people look younger? Those doctors are hypocrites

because giving dangerous drugs to people who are not sick goes against the oath they took before

becoming doctors.

Mr. Basile,

Do you think you can create a robotic exoskeleton and live inside of it? It would be awesome if you could turn your bicep supination machine into an exoskeleton and become one with it.

Your friend,

SF1900
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: polychronopolous on April 21, 2017, 08:15:28 PM
Mr. Basile,

Do you think you can create a robotic exoskeleton and live inside of it? It would be awesome if you could turn your bicep supination machine into an exoskeleton and become one with it.

Your friend,

SF1900

We must embrace The Vince Basile Doctrine of Proper Bicep Supination or otherwise all of humanity will be doomed.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 21, 2017, 08:26:52 PM
We must embrace The Vince Basile Doctrine of Proper Bicep Supination or otherwise all of humanity will be doomed.

I think Mr. Basile is metamorphosing into the bicep supination machine. Eventually, Mr. Basile in human form will no longer be.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 08:35:34 PM
I have long held a motto.....fear no man!

It isn't because you are too smart to post a photo it is because most of you flotsam fear the consequences of being known.

There are people here who would be targets for some overdue reprisals while others would be sued for defamation.

I find it ironical that one of the few guys here who wouldn't use a gimmick is accused of being one. What you doubters reveal

is a lack of profiling ability as well as having limited reasoning ability in general.

You gonna be in your gym tomorrow? 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: polychronopolous on April 21, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
I think Mr. Basile is metamorphosing into the bicep supination machine. Eventually, Mr. Basile in human form will no longer be.

haha yeah that would be pretty badass though  :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 08:51:49 PM
You gonna be in your gym tomorrow?  

Send me a personal message and I will respond. Not usually there on our Sundays.

Ozymandias. Shelley.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 09:04:16 PM
Send me a personal message and I will respond. Not usually there on our Sundays.


Sorry, I don't pm.  You in the gym now?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 09:11:13 PM
Sorry, I don't pm.  You in the gym now?

Nope. Will be at the Swans game tonight.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 21, 2017, 09:18:56 PM
haha yeah that would be pretty badass though  :D

Mr. Basile will be like the Robocop of bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: polychronopolous on April 21, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
Mr. Basile will be like the Robocop of bodybuilding.

Will he bring the sweet ass Chris Isaak t-shirt with him when he goes full cyborg??

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394408.0;attach=428409;image)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 21, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
Nope. Will be at the Swans game tonight.

When will you be at the gym next, I'll give you a ring.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 21, 2017, 09:23:29 PM
Will he bring the sweet ass Chris Isaak t-shirt with him when he goes full cyborg??

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394408.0;attach=428409;image)

Of course he will. That shirt is what powers the bicep supination machine.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 21, 2017, 11:01:53 PM
You've ignored my question as to why the study doesn't apply to bbers?

If a principle is sound and valid it should apply to everyone. If our own Yaroni suddenly took up bbing then DOMS, if valid, should apply. If Coach should decide to come out of retirement and compete and focus on bbing training DOMS should apply. If Phil Heath decided to "shake things up" and apply your training principles he should also advance.

I read a study recently on weight training and they mentioned that the subject ate 60% carbs, 20% protein, 20% fats. "The Perfect Health Diet" by Paul and Shou-Ching Jaminet recommends 15% protein, 20% carbs and 65% fats. Doctor Sears has pushed 40% carb, 30% protein, 30% fat macronutrient profile.

Saying one will get enough protein to put on 20-30 pounds of muscle just by eating a balance diet is a statement I find somewhat less than precise from one who prides himself on scientific exactness.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 21, 2017, 11:22:07 PM

.......

So Pellius presents a study showing that DOMS affected subjects didn't grow. That

is a worry for my theory. I then have to examine that article and find out why they

didn't grow. If not, then my theory is not valid. So I would have to alter it to include

the results of that experiment. ......

The study showed that ordinary subjects gained size only after getting used

to resistance training. They didn't try to get them sore again to see if growth

occurred. Bodybuilders are already used to hard training so if they now experience

soreness after doing something new will they grow?

About a balanced diet. Pick almost any version and you will have sufficient prtein, etc.

There is no need to ingest extra protein via supplements.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 21, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
The study showed that ordinary subjects gained size only after getting used

to resistance training. They didn't try to get them sore again to see if growth

occurred. Bodybuilders are already used to hard training so if they now experience

soreness after doing something new will they grow?

About a balanced diet. Pick almost any version and you will have sufficient prtein, etc.

There is no need to ingest extra protein via supplements.



Why would they? They already established that size and strength went down while in DOMS.

The human body responds the same to general principles with only the specifics that matter. It will take more intense/longer training for an experience person to experience DOMS than a newbee but the effects will be the same, i.e., when in a state of DOMS, your body by definition is in break down mode. You will have to get out of DOMS, recover from the stress, to become the adaptation process (repair, growth). That was demonstrated with concrete evidence. You have not demonstrated the opposite result that you claim.

You cannot, and maintain your credibility, insist that the DOMS state must be continually repeated over and over to get the results you want when you, yourself, have not demonstrated your hypothesis even once. 

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 22, 2017, 12:03:38 AM
so you get DOMS but zero growth?

Vince, when you have a minute,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 22, 2017, 12:24:27 AM
Vince, when you have a minute,,,,,,,,

i think he said his arms grew an inch over night
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 22, 2017, 12:52:41 AM
Vince, do you know something about the story of the 1980 Mr Olympia trophies ? They were definitely different from the others seen before.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2017, 01:34:47 AM
Of all the muscles in the body the biceps are difficult to get sore from training. Could be because we use them all

the time.

The biceps have three functions, flexion, supination, and lifting the arm. Since my machine is the only one that provides

adjustable resistance for supination it makes sense that it will train the muscle more effectively than other machines. Thus, I

am able to generate DOMS in the biceps after hard workouts on my machine. They can be brutally hard because you can do one

arm at a time then at the end do partials and/or supination only movements.

I must be doing something wrong because I've made my biceps so sore that I was unable to bend my arms without feeling it for several days.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 22, 2017, 03:56:34 AM
hey Vince,

what split do you recommend?

since you say to hit the same muscle every 3 days do you then say train 2on/1 off,  1on/2 off or no days off?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 22, 2017, 04:09:15 AM
hey Vince,

what split do you recommend?

since you say to hit the same muscle every 3 days do you then say train 2on/1 off,  1on/2 off or no days off?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 22, 2017, 04:19:06 AM
very old pic shit mac

why don't you post a more modern one? PUSSY   :-*

still waiting in the ring for ya, pound that fat ass of yours and make ya cry
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 22, 2017, 04:20:54 AM
very old pic shit mac

why don't you post a more modern one? PUSSY   :-*

still waiting in the ring for ya, pound that fat ass of yours and make ya cry

sure thing "big" guy

thought you were coming over to the uk

or was that the other poster using the account
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 22, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
New pinchgripper

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 22, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
Why would they? They already established that size and strength went down while in DOMS.

The human body responds the same to general principles with only the specifics that matter. It will take more intense/longer training for an experience person to experience DOMS than a newbee but the effects will be the same, i.e., when in a state of DOMS, your body by definition is in break down mode. You will have to get out of DOMS, recover from the stress, to become the adaptation process (repair, growth). That was demonstrated with concrete evidence. You have not demonstrated the opposite result that you claim.

You cannot, and maintain your credibility, insist that the DOMS state must be continually repeated over and over to get the results you want when you, yourself, have not demonstrated your hypothesis even once.  



You overlooked a consideration. What if there was too much damage caused by the training? Like getting blisters or a sunburn, no growth can occur. So we need to see what protocols were used and how much soreness was experienced.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 22, 2017, 10:42:01 PM
hey Vince,

what split do you recommend?

since you say to hit the same muscle every 3 days do you then say train 2on/1 off,  1on/2 off or no days off?

I don't recommend getting too many body parts sore at the same time. To try Doms training just train arms every 3rd day for a coupe of weeks and see how you go, don't do

any other body parts.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 23, 2017, 12:51:49 AM
You overlooked a consideration. What if there was too much damage caused by the training? Like getting blisters or a sunburn, no growth can occur. So we need to see what protocols were used and how much soreness was experienced.

OK, so now it's too much DOMS. A state that you said should be continually maintained. To be always in a state of DOMS to continue growing. So now it's not just DOMS but a certain level of intensity or degree of DOMS? This is something new and never addressed or made reference to before after all these years. How much DOMS is now needed and how do you measure it? And now you are using my examples of the body's adaptation response which you previously rejected.

Why do I have the feeling that if the results supported your beliefs you wouldn't be grasping at straws?

Still waiting on the peer reviewed scientific study you claim you had that supported your DOMS theory. I would have thought you would have that store in a very safe, easily accessed disk or file cabinet.

I have no dog in this fight. Unlike you, I have nothing vested in any theory at all and would just like to know what is the optimal protocol and conditions for muscle hypertrophy. Your bias is obvious, a bias that you accuse others of having. We are all stuck on the same old, same old. But not you. You're all about the objective, dispassionate search for truth.

Until you provide some scientific proof no one will take you seriously. But I'm still rooting for you. If you ever succeed you will exceed the genius and notoriety of Arthur Jones and have a lot of people here and elsewhere eating crow.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 01:22:38 AM
Interesting Discussion 
I have body parts that very rarely suffer from DOMS yet Grow.
No doubt others do also.

Would be interesting to know if -
Platz suffered DOMS in his legs often
Dorian / Ronnie / Franco in there backs
Arnold in his chest & Bi's
Phil Heath in his arms & ( Head  ;) )
Etc etc

Also how on Earth are you meant to gauge the right amount of DOMS for optimal growth.

There may be some validity to the DOMS Theory, Though I'm far from Convinced yet.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 23, 2017, 01:27:02 AM
Interesting Discussion 
I have body parts that very rarely suffer from DOMS yet Grow.
No doubt others do also.

Would be interesting to know if -
Platz suffered DOMS in his legs often
Dorian / Ronnie / Franco in there backs
Arnold in his chest & Bi's
Phil Heath in his arms & ( Head  ;) )
Etc etc

Also how on Earth are you meant to gauge the right amount of DOMS for optimal growth.

There may be some validity to the DOMS Theory, Though I'm far from Convinced yet.


Despite what Mentzer said, DOMS and getting a pump is something I do think is a positive response to productive training. My contention is that you are not going to grow while in DOMS as that is when you are in the break down state. Only by recovering from DOMS first will hypertrophy occur as indicated and proven in the study posted. It's like the old saying that you don't grow in the gym but only after during the recovery process.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 01:28:31 AM
OK, so now it's too much DOMS. A state that you said should be continually maintained. To be always in a state of DOMS to continue growing. So now it's not just DOMS but a certain level of intensity or degree of DOMS? This is something new and never addressed or made reference to before after all these years. How much DOMS is now needed and how do you measure it? And now you are using my examples of the body's adaptation response which you previously rejected.

Why do I have the feeling that if the results supported your beliefs you wouldn't be grasping at straws?

Still waiting on the peer reviewed scientific study you claim you had that supported your DOMS theory. I would have thought you would have that store in a very safe, easily accessed disk or file cabinet.

I have no dog in this fight. Unlike you, I have nothing vested in any theory at all and would just like to know what is the optimal protocol and conditions for muscle hypertrophy. Your bias is obvious, a bias that you accuse others of having. We are all stuck on the same old, same old. But not you. You're all about the objective, dispassionate search for truth.

Until you provide some scientific proof no one will take you seriously. But I'm still rooting for you. If you ever succeed you will exceed the genius and notoriety of Arthur Jones and have a lot of people here and elsewhere eating crow.

Pellius have a read of Nosaka's article.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=doms+and+hypertrophy&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcncC6k7rTAhUDm5QKHVLmBDsQgQMIIDAA

https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=W2T8WI6yIMLr8Aeh3aXgDg#safe=off&q=Is+Post-Exercise+Muscle+Soreness+a+Valid+Indicator+of+Muscular+Adaptations?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 01:29:30 AM
people taking vince seriously  ???

this is the man who said

he trains only arms and his whole body grows

his arms grow nearly an inch over night using his  doms theory

you can grow your arms an inch a month indefinitely with doms


also he hasnt trained properly for forty years

what you
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 01:31:47 AM
Despite what Mentzer said, DOMS and getting a pump is something I do think is a positive response to productive training. My contention is that you are not going to grow while in DOMS as that is when you are in the break down state. Only by recovering from DOMS first will hypertrophy occur as indicated and proven in the study posted. It's like the old saying that you don't grow in the gym but only after during the recovery process.


Agreed- Go to gym lift / Train hard - Go rest & eat - Recuperate - Growth

You don't Grow before you are Fully Recovered - DOMS or No DOMS / Pump or No Pump.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 01:32:34 AM
Despite what Mentzer said, DOMS and getting a pump is something I do think is a positive response to productive training. My contention is that you are not going to grow while in DOMS as that is when you are in the break down state. Only by recovering from DOMS first will hypertrophy occur as indicated and proven in the study posted. It's like the old saying that you don't grow in the gym but only after during the recovery process.

My personal experience proves otherwise. If you wait for a recovery, in other words, no more doms pain, then you have to battle the repeated bout effect.

I believe Mentzer didn't imagine that Selye could be mistaken about muscle growth after recovery. Few bodybuilders embraced the idea that trying to get muscles sore was a good idea.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 01:33:44 AM
people taking vince seriously  ???

this is the man who said

he trains only arms and his whole body grows

his arms grow nearly an inch over night using his  doms theory

you can grow your arms an inch a month indefinitely with doms


also he hasnt trained properly for forty years

what you




Hmmm - Ha Ha,
Yes Good Point.

Oh well i am posting after 3hrs sleep - That's my excuse.  ;)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 01:38:31 AM
Interesting Discussion  
I have body parts that very rarely suffer from DOMS yet Grow.
No doubt others do also.


Also how on Earth are you meant to gauge the right amount of DOMS for optimal growth.

There may be some validity to the DOMS Theory, Though I'm far from Convinced yet.


How I happened on to the DOMS principle was trying to make my arms grow. They stopped growing at 17 1/2 inches.

So I decided to try something different....the novelty principle. I did lying triceps extensions instead of pressdowns.

The next day my triceps were quite sore and my arms were larger. Yes, some have suggested the increase in size

was inflammation. I kept my arms sore for a month and they measured 1 inch larger. Most of that size increase

was hypertrophy.

Ask yourself why muscles develop DOMS from time to time....like after a lay off, or climbing a mountain, or competing

in a powerlifting contest. You have serious advanced bodybuilders getting sore from some novelty. Why would anyone

imagine that this is not going to generate a positive adaptation re strength and hypertrophy?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 01:46:24 AM

Agreed- Go to gym lift / Train hard - Go rest & eat - Recuperate - Growth

You don't Grow before you are Fully Recovered - DOMS or No DOMS / Pump or No Pump.

You are 100% mistaken which doesn't surprise me. You have to think outside the conventional broscience

to acquire genuine new knowledge in bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 01:52:21 AM
You are 100% mistaken which doesn't surprise me. You have to think outside the conventional broscience

to acquire genuine new knowledge in bodybuilding.



Really - opinions you have yours & I have mine.

You havnt managed to provide any irrefutable proof.

Try answering the above bodypart questions regarding the top bodybuilders
Perhaps they also knew / know nothing - Just you..  ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
vince being proven to be a delusional fat cu nt in this thread
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 23, 2017, 01:56:18 AM
Send me a personal message and I will respond.

Oh boy, when SF1900 reads this...  :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: rocket on April 23, 2017, 01:58:13 AM
I have read some of your recent posts and you are quite candid about yourself, especially your looks and situation.
Now Mr Rocket, you live in Australia. Why not come to my gym and have a workout and try my biceps-supinator? No charge. Email me first because

I am not at the gym often.  Send me a message for my email address or contact me through my gym.

Hah.  I have not taped my arms but they might not even be 15 inches.  Your biceps supinator would destroy me.  I never bother directly training my arms, these days.  They are a weakpoint and they aren't worth wasting a lot of time on (remembering that I will never step up to the thong spotlight).

Thanks for the offer - and were I more of a traveller, I might take you up on that but as it is, I have never actually taken a holiday anywhere in my adult life.  I'm not that type of person.

There is still time, though - just stay alive and perhaps I'll grow up :)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 23, 2017, 02:18:42 AM
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 02:24:10 AM


Really - opinions you have yours & I have mine.

You havnt managed to provide any irrefutable proof.

Try answering the above bodypart questions regarding the top bodybuilders
Perhaps they also knew / know nothing - Just you..  ::)

I published my DOMS theory in a muscle magazine. Where is your theory? This is not a matter of opinion but theories.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 23, 2017, 04:15:11 AM
I DON'T't recommend getting too many body parts sore at the same time. To try Doms training just train arms every 3rd day for a coupe of weeks and see how you go, don't do

any other body parts.

How many sets reps exercises?

And do you agree with A Jones statement that a muscle will not get bigger til it gets stronger?

And speaking of AJ go to his website aarthurjonesexercise. com  and  check his article "and the facts are"

This article details his own arm experiment were he put 1 full inch on EACH ARM IN UNDER 2 WEEKS
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 05:01:47 AM
two elite athletes discussing advanced bb in this thread
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 23, 2017, 05:09:21 AM
^^^ damn fattie

you keep posting up my worst pics but that ok I'll post up my best pics here in a few

p.s. I have a my better physique than you Mr Fat Turd  :-*
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 23, 2017, 05:10:45 AM
Oh boy, when SF1900 reads this...  :D


 ;D ;D
I will send Mr. Basile a message about Manly Beach.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 05:17:46 AM
^^^ damn fattie

you keep posting up my worst pics but that ok I'll post up my best pics here in a few

p.s. I have a my better physique than you Mr Fat Turd  :-*


ok "flex"
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 23, 2017, 05:59:34 AM
there you go fattiecakes

and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol

DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 06:00:04 AM
How many sets reps exercises?

And do you agree with A Jones statement that a muscle will not get bigger til it gets stronger?

And speaking of AJ go to his website aarthurjonesexercise. com  and  check his article "and the facts are"

This article details his own arm experiment were he put 1 full inch on EACH ARM IN UNDER 2 WEEKS

I will discuss sets and reps later.

Arthur Jones was convinced 'intensity' was the major factor in getting bigger and stronger. I believe he was mistaken which is a shame.

For example, weight lifters get stronger without getting bigger. What does getting stronger mean? If you can do 10 reps with 225 in the

bench press but never lift more weight than that amount then several months later you could do 15 reps with the same weight are you

stronger? No doubt you would be able to do more for a single. But if you never attempted anything over 225 would you be stronger?

Arthur, in his 'facts' states that you cannot have both high intensity and volume at the same time. I disagree. All you have to do is

many sets and end each of them with a maximum effort = high intensity. That, in a nutshell, is the formula for hypertrophy.

I doubt many people can put an inch on their arms in two weeks if they start at 17 1/2 inches. May well be possible if you started

with arms below 16 inches. 1 inch in a month is rapid growth for bodybuilders and few ever experience such growth.

Bodybuilders always want to know how many sets and reps to do and what exercises to perform.

Here is my guide for protocols. Select one exercise for biceps and one for triceps that you know are safe and effective. This isn't

always easy to know. Some exercises are effective for a while then you stop growing when using them. You have to find something

else to do. Look at the guy doing the lying triceps extensions. Note that his arms are fixed on the pads and his arms are besides his head.

That means the triceps is in an already stretched position which puts some mechanical tension on the muscle. If the user avoids letting

his elbows move outward then a very intense triceps workout can be done.

You warm up doing maximum sets with each progressively heavier weight. Say 40 reps then 30 then 20 and finally 15. It is a good idea

to start with a resistance that allows only 15 reps. You superset biceps and triceps then wait a couple of minutes before the next superset.

You will find by the 3rd superset that reps are down to about 10-12. This is a natural thing related to the build up of waste products in the

muscle. Remember, you are going to the limit and stop only when no further reps are possible in every set. You keep doing these maximum

sets for 5 or 6 supersets. You don't reduce the weight. You rest up to 3 minutes after each superset. When you have competed this workout

that is all you do for the day. Nothing more. No reduction and more sets.  Why is this? Well, the theory is that big muscles are capable of

doing lots of reps with a reasonably heavy resistance. So this is exactly what you do in your training.

How do you know if you have done enough that day? You don't. Although if carried out to the limit for all those sets your muscles should

be pumped, you will be shaking, sweating and quite taxed by the effort. You literally don't feel like doing anything more.

The next morning your arms should be 1/10 inch larger and they should be quite sore. Some of that size gain is inflammation but don't

worry about that. The goal is to always see how much bigger you can both pump your arms and measure them the next day.

You rest for two full days and don't do any training for the upper body. On the third day you will still have some soreness in the arms.

So warmup thoroughly again. At first you won't feel very strong. By the time you reach your maximum resistance for the many same weight

sets your strength will have returned. If you keep training like this for a couple of weeks you will gain 1/10 of an inch each time. If you don't

generate DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) after any workout you have to reassess what you are doing and go to the gym the next day

and try something different. At all costs you have to avoid a full recovery so that the repeated bout effect appears. Once that sets in you

then have to come up with something extra-ordinary to trigger the DOMS state.

I am a professional in my field and yet people online expect free advice. Well, I am a gym owner who never does personal training for profit.

I help those gym members I choose to help.

You have to admire the moderators on Getbig who allow all manner of garbage being posted in a thread involving hypertrophy and training.

 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 06:22:28 AM
there you go fattiecakes

and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol

DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac

do you have rickets or polio

epic bow legs due to nutrition deficiencies from living in a third world shit hole

funny how none of your best pics have your face in  ;)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 23, 2017, 06:27:23 AM
I am a professional in my field and yet people online expect free advice.

how much would I need to pay for advice to get a big beer belly like you?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
how much would I need to pay for advice to get a big beer belly like you?

Here is what Arthur Jones wrote about innovators in any field.


Based upon the true history of science, together with my own many years of experience with such people, it appears to
me that supposed “experts” in any field react to innovations in a manner that can be predicted; such reactions appear to
be instinctive, to be stamped into their genes. The reactions of such supposed “experts” usually follow a five-step
process: ONE, having been exposed to an innovation in their field, they will initially ignore it, apparently hoping that
it will go away; TWO, but if it does not go away, then they will try to ridicule both the idea and the person who
introduced the idea; THREE, and next, if their ridicule does not stop the spread and acceptance of the new idea, then
they will violently attack it; FOUR, but if the recent discovery is actually true, they will eventually be forced to try to
copy it; FIVE, then, finally, following the established success of anything relatively new, they will suddenly “remember”
that it was their idea in the first place.
So the pattern of response is “ignore, ridicule, attack, copy, steal.”
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 23, 2017, 07:33:54 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=722854;image)

I thought you said that putting the elbow on the padding during triceps work wasn't a good idea..
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 07:42:45 AM
I thought you said that putting the elbow on the padding during triceps work wasn't a good idea..

Exactly. A pity your perception isn't as sharp as your wit. The towel is obscuring the position of the elbow on the right.

The one on the left of the photo is clearly beyond the pads.

The main thing is you have absorbed a good rule about protecting the elbows.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 23, 2017, 07:53:28 AM
Exactly. A pity your perception isn't as sharp as your wit. The towel is obscuring the position of the elbow on the right.

The one on the left of the photo is clearly beyond the pads.

The main thing is you have absorbed a good rule about protecting the elbows.



Sure, blame 'The Towel' ::)

If the bold part was the case than a) the position of your body was different from the angle of the resistance or b) your left (well, right in your case) arm would be much longer.
Neither of them makes sense.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 23, 2017, 07:56:47 AM
Mr. Basile,

How much would you charge for a 1-hour training session and a massage?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 08:57:23 AM
I published my DOMS theory in a muscle magazine. Where is your theory? This is not a matter of opinion but theories.





Come on Vince - FFS Theory published in a muscle mag  ::)
I'm even surprised you would write such a daft thing.

Yes peer reviewed scientific theory / study in a muscle mag - Please.

And for your information I've written a few articles for magazines.

By your Reckoning then "Fortress" is a world renowned & leading expert 
on all thing training with the amount of articles / theories he has written
in magazines far beyond your good self.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 23, 2017, 08:59:45 AM
Mr. Basile,

How much would you charge for a 1-hour training session and a massage?

With or without a happy ending?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 23, 2017, 11:55:21 AM
Here is what Arthur Jones wrote about innovators in any field.


Based upon the true history of science, together with my own many years of experience with such people, it appears to
me that supposed “experts” in any field react to innovations in a manner that can be predicted; such reactions appear to
be instinctive, to be stamped into their genes. The reactions of such supposed “experts” usually follow a five-step
process: ONE, having been exposed to an innovation in their field, they will initially ignore it, apparently hoping that
it will go away; TWO, but if it does not go away, then they will try to ridicule both the idea and the person who
introduced the idea; THREE, and next, if their ridicule does not stop the spread and acceptance of the new idea, then
they will violently attack it; FOUR, but if the recent discovery is actually true, they will eventually be forced to try to
copy it; FIVE, then, finally, following the established success of anything relatively new, they will suddenly “remember”
that it was their idea in the first place.
So the pattern of response is “ignore, ridicule, attack, copy, steal.”


Rumor has it that Arthur shot and killed a man in Mexico in self defense, know anything about this?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 23, 2017, 12:17:41 PM
Rumor has it that Arthur shot and killed a man in Mexico in self defense, know anything about this?

he also pistol whipped Roger callard for trying to sell narcotics to his son

and he told Arnold tto shut the fuck up as he was blabbering on in his car on tthe way from the airport where he picked him and spanko up and if he didn't shut his mouth he was gonna pull off the highway and beat his ass
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: chaos on April 23, 2017, 12:29:46 PM

You have to admire the moderators on Getbig who allow all manner of garbage being posted in a thread involving hypertrophy and training.

 
The same thread that started by you crying for blue stars? You should be happy the focus has shifted to hypertrophy and training and not remained on your sniveling about the color of your stars. :-*

BTW, I agree with some aspects of your theory, but it lacks solid scientific evidence, all broscience and personal experience.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Waller on April 23, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
there you go fattiecakes

and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol

DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=722852;image)


Right Said Fred called. They want their shirt back.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
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Come on Vince - FFS Theory published in a muscle mag  ::)
I'm even surprised you would write such a daft thing.

Yes peer reviewed scientific theory / study in a muscle mag - Please.

And for your information I've written a few articles for magazines.

By your Reckoning then "Fortress" is a world renowned & leading expert  
on all thing training with the amount of articles / theories he has written
in magazines far beyond your good self.



Clever way to avoid publishing your theory on hypertrophy.

Makes me wonder who my peers on Getbig are.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
The same thread that started by you crying for blue stars? You should be happy the focus has shifted to hypertrophy and training and not remained on your sniveling about the color of your stars. :-*

BTW, I agree with some aspects of your theory, but it lacks solid scientific evidence, all broscience and personal experience.

I never did perceive that you had much of a sense of humour. Good requirement for moderating a musclehead forum.

I could care less about the colour of my stars. Being a national champion and not having them gives me something so thanks, Ron, for that.

I don't expect scientists to give a shit about big muscles. So we are unlikely to see studies done that are relevant to

maximizing hypertrophy. What can we learn about a study done with novices that haven't done bodybuilding? Almost nothing.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 06:49:23 PM
We had a Nautilus triceps machine that I didn't consider very effective because the user was in a seated position.

I removed the back rest and used that for a long support for a knee. I also fabricated an adjustable foot pad for

the other leg. I moved the arm pads back 2 inches so that the elbows clear the pads. The apparatus resembles the lying extensions and avoids the pronated wrist position that might

lead to injury in the forearm. I often superset this movement for triceps with the biceps-supination machine.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: chaos on April 23, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
I never did perceive that you had much of a sense of humour. Good requirement for moderating a musclehead forum.

I could care less about the colour of my stars. Being a national champion and not having them gives me something so thanks, Ron, for that.

I don't expect scientists to give a shit about big muscles. So we are unlikely to see studies done that are relevant to

maximizing hypertrophy. What can we learn about a study done with novices that haven't done bodybuilding? Almost nothing.
You're a bad judge of peoples character.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
You're a bad judge of peoples character.

Finally, we have a dialogue!


Edgar Allen Poe said . . . “I have sometimes amused myself by endeavoring to fancy what would be the fate of any individual gifted,
or rather accursed, with an intelligence very far superior to that of his race. Of course, he would be conscious of his
superiority nor could he (if otherwise constituted as man is) help manifesting his consciousness. Thus he would make
himself enemies at all points. And since his opinions and speculations would likely differ from those of all mankind -
that he would be considered a madman, is evident. How horribly painful such a condition! Hell could invent no greater
torture than that of being charged with abnormal weakness on account of being abnormally strong.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 23, 2017, 08:05:17 PM
Mr. Basile,

I think you look totally awesome lifting weights.

Your friend,

SF1900
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on April 23, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Mr. Basile,

Have you ever thought about starting a business where you take people on long walks along Manly beach?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 08:52:32 PM
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 23, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
Clever way to avoid publishing your theory on hypertrophy.

Makes me wonder who my peers on Getbig are.






Ha - and that was your best answer.
My point proven.

Opinions opinions opinions
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 23, 2017, 10:38:30 PM



Ha - and that was your best answer.
My point proven.

Opinions opinions opinions

Like most on Getbig you have contributed zero to hypertrophy theory.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 23, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
i have contributed zero to hypertrophy theory.


truth
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 24, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
My mission for Getbig....some culture for the Flotsam.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on April 24, 2017, 02:02:09 AM
that lee priest clip told us two things:

1. if you dont lift super heavy, and you get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you felt it days afterwards)
2. if you lift super heavy, and don't get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you did lift super heavy)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 24, 2017, 02:36:17 AM
that lee priest clip told us two things:

1. if you dont lift super heavy, and you get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you felt it days afterwards)
2. if you lift super heavy, and don't get doms, you know you did something at the gym (because you did lift super heavy)


I posted what Lee said for two reasons. First, the guy is totally straight when he talks about bodybuilding. He is brutally honest.

Second, his experience is similar to mine in that he trained for a feel and unless he has some soreness he didn't think he achieved

anything from the workout. To get this feeling it was important to put mechanical tension on the target muscle. How did you know

you achieved this? By the soreness the following few days.

I accept that most bodybuilders don't get much soreness following workouts. What I wondered was would they keep growing if they

did? My hunch was that keeping the muscle sore would keep the muscle in a continuous state of growth. You do allow some recovery

for two whole days, then you hit the muscle again to keep it growing.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 24, 2017, 02:42:04 AM
there you go fattiecakes

and these aren't even me in peak condidtion lol

DJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fattoadmac

Great improvements. But why do  you say you are going to post pics at your best then say this is not peak condition? Why don't you just post you at your best. Also, abs and chest are major muscle groups. Why do you hide them?

"Show them. Show them the whole thing."
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 24, 2017, 02:42:34 AM
so vince is comparing himself to lee priest

i think lee just shades him in muscle size

like a ferrari just shades a pogo stick
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 24, 2017, 03:04:17 AM
Great improvements. But why do  you say you are going to post pics at your best then say this is not peak condition? Why don't you just post you at your best. Also, abs and chest are major muscle groups. Why do you hide them?

"Show them. Show them the whole thing."


there are also no pics of him in condition that show his face

could be anybody

his legs are still pathetic he just shaved them like a homo
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: the-joker on April 24, 2017, 04:06:34 AM
I never did perceive that you had much of a sense of humour. Good requirement for moderating a musclehead forum.

I could care less about the colour of my stars. Being a national champion and not having them gives me something so thanks, Ron, for that.

I don't expect scientists to give a shit about big muscles. So we are unlikely to see studies done that are relevant to

maximizing hypertrophy. What can we learn about a study done with novices that haven't done bodybuilding? Almost nothing.
strange thread but you notice that two of your biggest critics on here are themselves not posting any update pictures to show their ripped physiques...cough.. :D

@ dj181: the guy yapping at you all the time is as fat as a prize hog, you are at least ripped. Not big but you see improvements.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 24, 2017, 04:19:58 AM
strange thread but you notice that two of your biggest critics on here are themselves not posting any update pictures to show their ripped physiques...cough.. :D

@ dj181: the guy yapping at you all the time is as fat as a prize hog, you are at least ripped. Not big but you see improvements.

hi donny

you have never posted a pic

i have

therefore your opinion is not relevant
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 24, 2017, 05:17:41 AM
hi donny

you have never posted a pic

i have

therefore your opinion is not relevant

Are you implying that they call him 'the joker' at the local zoo & kindergarten in Celle?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 24, 2017, 05:22:48 AM
Are you implying that they call him 'the joker' at the local zoo & kindergarten in Celle?

careful the mods will ban you

i got banned for posting the reasons donny had been banned from here

and his name even though he posted it himself drunk

he spends all his time on here crying to the mods

while acting like a tough guy on the board

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: the-joker on April 24, 2017, 06:19:45 AM
I posted what Lee said for two reasons. First, the guy is totally straight when he talks about bodybuilding. He is brutally honest.

Second, his experience is similar to mine in that he trained for a feel and unless he has some soreness he didn't think he achieved

anything from the workout. To get this feeling it was important to put mechanical tension on the target muscle. How did you know

you achieved this? By the soreness the following few days.

I accept that most bodybuilders don't get much soreness following workouts. What I wondered was would they keep growing if they

did? My hunch was that keeping the muscle sore would keep the muscle in a continuous state of growth. You do allow some recovery

for two whole days, then you hit the muscle again to keep it growing.
Lee is a cool Guy always shoots straight from the hip. Good call Vince.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 24, 2017, 06:23:25 AM
Lee is a cool Guy always shoots straight from the hip. Good call Vince.

You know this from personal experience, Donaldo? :-X
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 24, 2017, 06:37:47 AM
blue balls and dom perignon

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 24, 2017, 08:13:55 AM
Looks can be deceiving.


Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 24, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
Like most on Getbig you have contributed zero to hypertrophy theory.


And you believe your A Legend in your own Mind.
clearly thinking you have contributed so much.. ::) -- Not.

Best we agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 24, 2017, 10:49:13 AM
Like most on Getbig you have contributed zero to sending me c0ck pics.

check your PM  :-*
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Henda on April 24, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
Mr. Basile,

How much would you charge for a 1-hour training session and a massage?
Mr. Basile,

I think you look totally awesome lifting weights.

Your friend,

SF1900
Mr. Basile,

Have you ever thought about starting a business where you take people on long walks along Manly beach?

Vince, how long are you going to ignore this fine gentlemans comments and questions? You fat old ignorant bastard
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 24, 2017, 11:35:52 AM
Vince, how long are you going to ignore this fine gentlemans comments and questions? You fat old ignorant bastard




Ha ha -- Blunt and to the point.
Made me laugh.  :D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 24, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
It wasn't that hard to figure out his password "bluestars"


I'm just here for the dick pics
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Sokolsky on April 24, 2017, 02:31:55 PM
Looks can be deceiving.


Looks can be deceiving, but you're not quite Jack Ma, are you?
So cut the bullshit, and die already.
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 24, 2017, 02:45:50 PM

Ron doesn't know me.  Do you think posting on the internet reveals who people are?

Ron has to tow the line with the Pro League/IFBB or he chooses to do so. I don't. We have an ex criminal running the IFBB in

Australia. Paul Graham.

& who was running long time dead " United " BB Federation of AU  ;D
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 24, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
you can see vinces theories work

here he is

great every day look easy to maintain by eating shit and never training

10 y.o. photo , Cornutto is much fatter now
Title: Re: Where are my Blue Stars?!!?
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 24, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
Why not come to my gym and have a workout and try my biceps-supinator? No charge. Email me first because

I am not at the gym often.  Send me a message for my email address or contact me through my gym.

"YOUR" gym  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 24, 2017, 03:01:05 PM
Mr. Basile,

Have you ever thought about starting a business where you take people on long walks along Manly beach?

I need a boyfriend
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 24, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Teutonic Knight is back. I thought your sorry ass was banned? Too bad we sold our Penthouse at Queenscliff Beach.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 24, 2017, 09:02:15 PM
I will discuss sets and reps later.

Arthur Jones was convinced 'intensity' was the major factor in getting bigger and stronger. I believe he was mistaken which is a shame.

For example, weight lifters get stronger without getting bigger. What does getting stronger mean? If you can do 10 reps with 225 in the

bench press but never lift more weight than that amount then several months later you could do 15 reps with the same weight are you

stronger? No doubt you would be able to do more for a single. But if you never attempted anything over 225 would you be stronger?

 
 

There is a correlation between how much weight you can lift and how big your muscles are. There is a direct relationship between the size of your muscles and the tensile strength (force of contraction). Jones and Mentzer were right that the bigger the muscle the stronger the muscle all else being equal. This does not necessarily translate into moving more weight. There factors other than muscle size and strength responsible for moving heavy objects. Skill, technique and CNS efficiency are some.
You often can bench more simple by benching better. The opposite applies as well. Try not benching for six months. Do only Hammer instead. Even if you progress in the Hammer press. You are able to press more weight than when you first started you will find that when you go back to the bench you will bench less. Does this mean you got weaker. You lost muscle by doing other pec movements instead of bench. No, you just got "out of practice" in benching and got better on the Hammer press.

But, make no mistake, if you want to be a competition size bber, you will be moving some pretty heavy weight. And I consider full squats with 315 for 10 as pretty heavy.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 25, 2017, 12:35:18 AM
is the solution here for vince to provide some evidence

rather than postulating and casting aspersions

on everyone that doesnt agree with him

or perhaps he can post a link to all these published articles here done

i for one cant find any
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 25, 2017, 02:12:28 AM
For Pellius: Mike Mentzer on recovery ability and balanced diet.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 25, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
Teutonic Knight is back. I thought your sorry ass was banned? Too bad we sold our Penthouse at Queenscliff Beach.

 :D & he is in pro-am surfing & mountain biking + beach shacking in 1717 & Collaroy ............

"Sorry  :'(" about another gym relocation & your life near that noisy military airport ...............
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 25, 2017, 04:38:01 AM
There is a correlation between how much weight you can lift and how big your muscles are. There is a direct relationship between the size of your muscles and the tensile strength (force of contraction). Jones and Mentzer were right that the bigger the muscle the stronger the muscle all else being equal. This does not necessarily translate into moving more weight. There factors other than muscle size and strength responsible for moving heavy objects. Skill, technique and CNS efficiency are some.
You often can bench more simple by benching better. The opposite applies as well. Try not benching for six months. Do only Hammer instead. Even if you progress in the Hammer press. You are able to press more weight than when you first started you will find that when you go back to the bench you will bench less. Does this mean you got weaker. You lost muscle by doing other pec movements instead of bench. No, you just got "out of practice" in benching and got better on the Hammer press.

But, make no mistake, if you want to be a competition size bber, you will be moving some pretty heavy weight. And I consider full squats with 315 for 10 as pretty heavy.

you can get stronger without getting bigger

and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: hench on April 25, 2017, 05:00:19 AM
Very true, I've experienced fast strength increases, the body can adapt very quickly but it doesn't mean size automatically comes with it.
you can get stronger without getting bigger

and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 25, 2017, 10:08:27 AM
you can get stronger without getting bigger

and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights

just trained bench after 3 days days btw bench workouts with yesterday completely off and I lost 15 fucking kg on my stickingppoint lockouts and I couldn'teven do 1 fuckng rep with the same weight I pause pressed for 4 clean strong reps jjust 3 god damn days ago

so now I gotta put 5 or 6 days btw bench workouts. ... FUCK! !!!!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 25, 2017, 10:17:58 AM
There is a correlation between how much weight you can lift and how big your muscles are. There is a direct relationship between the size of your muscles and the tensile strength (force of contraction). Jones and Mentzer were right that the bigger the muscle the stronger the muscle all else being equal. This does not necessarily translate into moving more weight. There factors other than muscle size and strength responsible for moving heavy objects. Skill, technique and CNS efficiency are some.


What about this Pellius:


In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this hypothesis, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is greater in the muscles of bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is more dominant in Olympic weightlifters.[26] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Sokolsky on April 25, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
just trained bench after 3 days days btw bench workouts with yesterday completely off and I lost 15 fucking kg on my stickingppoint lockouts and I couldn'teven do 1 fuckng rep with the same weight I pause pressed for 4 clean strong reps jjust 3 god damn days ago

so now I gotta put 5 or 6 days btw bench workouts. ... FUCK! !!!!

How's that world record bench coming along, stud?  :-* ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 25, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
just trained bench after 3 days days btw bench workouts with yesterday completely off and I lost 15 fucking kg on my stickingppoint lockouts and I couldn'teven do 1 fuckng rep with the same weight I pause pressed for 4 clean strong reps jjust 3 god damn days ago

so now I gotta put 5 or 6 days btw bench workouts. ... FUCK! !!!!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 25, 2017, 10:52:37 AM
you must be a cock sucking homo fatturdmac

seeing as you got such an obsession with that pic

very very creepy Mr. Wierdo

it would be great fun for me to make you cry in the ring

I wouldn't knock ya out quick with head shots coz I'd much rather humiliate you by making ya cry from my vicious hard rights to that fat ass body of yours

PAP! PAP! PAP!

your tears would be flowing PUSSY


Textbook Joon!   :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 25, 2017, 12:25:33 PM
Textbook Joon!   :D

but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd

I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ

wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?

you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Waller on April 25, 2017, 12:29:42 PM
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd

I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ

wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?


you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good

Not helping your cause.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 25, 2017, 12:49:25 PM
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd

I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ

wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?

you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 25, 2017, 12:52:53 PM
Not helping your cause.

whys that?

You can clearly hear my  AMERICAN accent

and my I'll flex my awesome WHITE pecs and tris for ya

PRIME WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN AM I

p.s. I am greatly offended to be called a lower Asian race,  I'm from the top WHITE Race THE GERMAN ONE  8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 25, 2017, 12:53:21 PM
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Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 25, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
whys that?

You can clearly hear my  AMERICAN accent

and my I'll flex my awesome WHITE pecs and tris for ya

PRIME WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN AM I

p.s. I am greatly offended to be called a lower Asian race,  I'm from the top WHITE Race THE GERMAN ONE  8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 25, 2017, 07:08:07 PM
you must be a cock sucking homo fatturdmac

seeing as you got such an obsession with that pic

very very creepy Mr. Wierdo

it would be great fun for me to make you cry in the ring

I wouldn't knock ya out quick with head shots coz I'd much rather humiliate you by making ya cry from my vicious hard rights to that fat ass body of yours

PAP! PAP! PAP!

your tears would be flowing PUSSY


Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 25, 2017, 07:37:27 PM
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 25, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
but I ain't that fat brown Pakistan turd

I AM the GERMANS AMERICAN ATHLETIC SENSATION DJ

wanna chat via Skype for the proof cheif?

you ain't on my list for giving a hard knocking too so we all good
pure joon...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 25, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.

Both of you have this strong victim mentality and the law of attraction will follow
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Waller on April 26, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
whys that?

You can clearly hear my  AMERICAN accent

and my I'll flex my awesome WHITE pecs and tris for ya

PRIME WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN AM I

p.s. I am greatly offended to be called a lower Asian race,  I'm from the top WHITE Race THE GERMAN ONE  8)

Because he used to say that a lot iirc .
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 12:13:11 AM
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.

you give as good as you get tubby

dont dish it out if you cant take it lard ass
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2017, 01:27:58 AM
For Pellius: Mike Mentzer on recovery ability and balanced diet.



I don't have an issue with Mentzer's view on nutrition. I believe in more of Sears 40/30/30 but don't obsess over it. As a result of research, experimentation and trying to keep an open mind my views on protein intake has changed considerably. I remember the days, really not very long ago, where I made it a point to take in 300 grams per day. I can only picture you shaking your head, not so much in surprise, but a bit of pity. Yesterday, I got maybe 60 grams and today closer to 90 grams. I really don't keep track like I use to but getting over 100 grams is a rare heavy eating day. And there's been no difference between my 300g/day versus 80g/day. I mean, I look at guys way bigger than me and carrying more muscle and don't even lift that eat a typical carb rich diet we have. How the hell do gorillas carry so much muscle when they are primarily vegetarians.

BTW, his lecture on recovery and recovery ability directly contradicts your beliefs. The idea of continually training a muscle specifically before it recovers would be anathema to Mike.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2017, 01:34:38 AM
you can get stronger without getting bigger

and you can get bigger while getting weaker, I did this myself while doing my gay ass bb training of constant tension reps with pussy ass weights

Moving more weight in a given movement does mean, in a sense, that you are stronger in that movement. But there are other factors involved in moving weight in a particular movement than just bigger and stronger muscles. You can definitely move more weight without an increase in a muscle's size and contractile strength.

Changing the style in which  you move weight, e.g., constant tension, slow/super slow, super strict form; will definitely lower the amount of weight you can move given an equal number of reps but that is not an indication that you are getting weaker. And it is possible to increase muscle size and strength using a different style of lifting even though the weight load is less.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Waller on April 26, 2017, 01:39:18 AM
Yes, cyberbullying isn't nice to witness. Happens all the time on Getbig....almost always by anonymous entities who remain that way for their health and financial safety.

Nobody is truly anonymous. The Cyber Police can backtrack them.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2017, 01:55:40 AM
What about this Pellius:


In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this hypothesis, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is greater in the muscles of bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is more dominant in Olympic weightlifters.[26] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy

This is very similar to what Mentzer was taking about in the vid Vince posted when dismissing the need for large amounts of protein to grow muscles as muscles are not composed primarily of protein but of water. He speaks about how low carb/high protein diets "dry out" the muscle makes you looking drained and flat. Higher carbs and properly hydrated muscles are able to store more glycogen making you appear larger and fuller. This is one of the reasons insulin is used. You can force more glycogen into the muscle forcing larger size but often to the point where you get that bluffy marsh mellow look of a Phil Heath rather than the dense hard muscle of a prime Mentzer.

We've all experienced the over night growth and fullness after a night of pizza and brownies. Our muscles look pumped and full. But is that real muscle? Real lean muscle fibers? I mean a super hydrated muscle fiber versus a dried out ketosis ridden fiber is still the same muscle fiber. We know only amino acids, not glucose, can build real muscle fibers. That's why they call it protein synthesis and not glucose synthesis.

So, I'm really not sure. I know at this point, I would rather have nice plump, full muscle fibers even if it's "artificially" pumped up hydrated fibers even if it's not true myofibrillar hypertrophy. But ideally I would rather not to have to even think or worry about it. I would rather be in the ignorant bliss of a Coleman doing the same old bench, incline, dumbbell flies that generations have been mindlessly following and still produce some of the largest pecs ever seen on a human being.

It seems only the genetically less fortunate hash out these things over and over trying to find a way to compensate for our lack of muscle hypertrophic predisposition.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2017, 01:56:52 AM
Nobody is truly anonymous. The Cyber Police can backtrack them.

You can find the computer but pin pointing who is behind  the keyboard can be tricky.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 26, 2017, 02:00:08 AM
Both of you have this strong victim mentality and the law of attraction will follow

How can a victim really and truly want to physically harm a bully  ???

I'm not a fan of the social realm but within the physical realm I am completely confident and I thrive very strongly within it

may be because I am very athletic having talent with great quickness coordination and incredible condition and stamina

victims don't have the guts and courage to physically harm their attackers, I do  ;)



Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 26, 2017, 02:05:39 AM
I don't have an issue with Mentzer's view on nutrition. I believe in more of Sears 40/30/30 but don't obsess over it. As a result of research, experimentation and trying to keep an open mind my views on protein intake has changed considerably. I remember the days, really not very long ago, where I made it a point to take in 300 grams per day. I can only picture you shaking your head, not so much in surprise, but a bit of pity. Yesterday, I got maybe 60 grams and today closer to 90 grams. I really don't keep track like I use to but getting over 100 grams is a rare heavy eating day. And there's been no difference between my 300g/day versus 80g/day. I mean, I look at guys way bigger than me and carrying more muscle and don't even lift that eat a typical carb rich diet we have. How the hell do gorillas carry so much muscle when they are primarily vegetarians.

BTW, his lecture on recovery and recovery ability directly contradicts your beliefs. The idea of continually training a muscle specifically before it recovers would be anathema to Mike.

interesting about your protein experiment thanks for sharing bro

AJ always said that you need .36 grams per pound of bodyweight
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 26, 2017, 02:08:05 AM
How can a victim really and truly want to physically harm a bully  ???

I'm not a fan of the social realm but within the physical realm I am completely confident and I thrive very strongly within it

may be because I am very athletic having talent with great quickness coordination and incredible condition and stamina

victims don't have the guts and courage to physically harm their attackers, I do  ;)


You're a delusional person, who's too much attached with his ego. It's your lack of self-relativation and false confidence that does the magic.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 26, 2017, 02:17:02 AM
You're a delusional person, who's too much attached with his ego. It's your lack of self-relativation and false confidence that does the magic.

when you say "the magic" do you mean making me an arrogant douche? If yes then kudos to you

not delusional about my courage though as about 6 weeks ago I had an incident at the club with some ass face at the club who was yapping away and I said your all mouth, let'sgo ooutside and settle this and he declined

but yeah I suppose that my Narcissistic Rage causes my probs,  but it is honestly getting better
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 02:18:37 AM
I don't have an issue with Mentzer's view on nutrition. I believe in more of Sears 40/30/30 but don't obsess over it. As a result of research, experimentation and trying to keep an open mind my views on protein intake has changed considerably. I remember the days, really not very long ago, where I made it a point to take in 300 grams per day. I can only picture you shaking your head, not so much in surprise, but a bit of pity. Yesterday, I got maybe 60 grams and today closer to 90 grams. I really don't keep track like I use to but getting over 100 grams is a rare heavy eating day. And there's been no difference between my 300g/day versus 80g/day. I mean, I look at guys way bigger than me and carrying more muscle and don't even lift that eat a typical carb rich diet we have. How the hell do gorillas carry so much muscle when they are primarily vegetarians.

BTW, his lecture on recovery and recovery ability directly contradicts your beliefs. The idea of continually training a muscle specifically before it recovers would be anathema to Mike.

Even intelligent people, ourselves included, can overlook things and make mistakes.
Mike never entertained the idea that growth could be continuous. He accepted Selye's stress theory so concluded bodybuilders need more rest to completely recover from hard workouts.
I never considered every third day training as being optimal. Well, we did for many years train 6 days a week, MWF upper body and TThSat legs. Sunday off. No wonder we didn't get huge!
I discovered the DOMS method by accident by triggering DOMS when I had been training very hard for several weeks. I was convinced that if one could get the muscles sore he
should grow. Taking it a step further I wondered what would happen if I kept the muscles sore. For me it was an exciting month. I ran to my workouts. The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing. How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout. That was a great month. Since that time I have trained now and then
but never for more than a few workouts. Each workout still generates DOMS. For older guys that is the closest we get to the fountain of youth without additional pharmaceuticals.

I was listening to a fellow talk about the very early days when he had Arthur Jones train him in Deland, Florida. He said the workouts were brutal and not that short. Arthur knew how to get you to go to your very limit. Many guys threw up from the hard training. This guy went outside afterwards and stretched out on the grass to collect his thoughts. We can see that Arthur was getting some of his results not from his Nautilus machines but the brutal way he got people to train. For example, Sergio Oliva trained with Arthur and in 1971-2 was at his peak. For legs Arthur would have them go to the limit on the leg press with a huge weight for 25 reps. Then without resting do leg extensions for 15 reps with another big load. Finally, without rest he would load up the barbell and have them go to the limit for 10 to 15 reps. Sergio followed Casey Viator on a leg workout and when they got to the squats with 405 pounds (4 plates per side) Sergio couldn't get up on the first rep. He did get better and could eventually handle that protocol. Sometimes they would repeat that sequence so imagine how they felt afterwards. That is still a hard way to train today.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 26, 2017, 02:23:47 AM
when you say "the magic" do you mean making me an arrogant douche? If yes then kudos to you

not delusional about my courage though as about 6 weeks ago I had an incident at the club with some ass face at the club who was yapping away and I said your all mouth, let'sgo ooutside and settle this and he declined

but yeah I suppose that my Narcissistic Rage causes my probs,  but it is honestly getting better

For how long are you saying this?
With 'the magic' I refer to attracting bullies.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 02:42:32 AM
you give as good as you get tubby

dont dish it out if you cant take it lard ass

Let me say something about this pathetic stalker, bigmc. He hasn't contributed one thing to this discussion on hypertrophy. He just attacks people. The internet must be a wonderful thing for some challenged people

because they can be tough and put others down. bigmc of all people can't be serious about asking someone else to post a photo. What the hell is he afraid of? Even when he

was at a club in London with Getbiggers his face was missing from the photos. Big, tough guy for sure.

Yes, bigmc pisses people off. Whatever have I or anyone here done to him? Spell it out. Otherwise he is no different from that mentally ill brute living in Regina. You know, the guy

who called Booty. Turns out Josh had to get off a jet because it freaked him out.

bigmc said he has an important position in his community. He has a security company? He surely doesn't have any shame or integrity, nor does he deserve any respect on this forum.


Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on April 26, 2017, 02:54:09 AM
For how long are you saying this?
With 'the magic' I refer to attracting bullies.

I don't attract bullies irl brosef, just on here

remember, this is all for shits and giggles here ie. I pour it on very thick here

make sense?

and this problem at the club came from some guy harassing a lady friemd
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 02:58:39 AM
Let me say something about this pathetic stalker, bigmc. He hasn't contributed one thing to this discussion on hypertrophy. He just attacks people. The internet must be a wonderful thing for some challenged people

because they can be tough and put others down. bigmc of all people can't be serious about asking someone else to post a photo. What the hell is he afraid of? Even when he

was at a club in London with Getbiggers his face was missing from the photos. Big, tough guy for sure.

Yes, bigmc pisses people off. Whatever have I or anyone here done to him? Spell it out. Otherwise he is no different from that mentally ill brute living in Regina. You know, the guy

who called Booty. Turns out Josh had to get off a jet because it freaked him out.

bigmc said he has an important position in his community. He has a security company? He surely doesn't have any shame or integrity, nor does he deserve any respect on this forum.




i just think you are a pompous cu nt

and i dont give a fuck what anyone on here thinks of me you fat cock gobler

the main reason i give you shit is because you accused arnold of rape because he placed you dead last in a contest

thst says everything about the type of person you are

a fat pompous nobody thats main goal in life is to get blue stars on a forum where people give each other shit for a laugh

you dont get it on here and you never will

i have posted pics videos and met up with any get bigger who was in the area

just accept who you are on here and join in with the laighs tubs  :-*
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 03:21:46 AM
i just think you are a pompous cu nt

and i dont give a fuck what anyone on here thinks of me you fat cock gobler

the main reason i give you shit is because you accused arnold of rape because he placed you dead last in a contest

thst says everything about the type of person you are

a fat pompous nobody thats main goal in life is to get blue stars on a forum where people give each other shit for a laugh

you dont get it on here and you never will

i have posted pics videos and met up with any get bigger who was in the area

just accept who you are on here and join in with the laighs tubs  :-*

Good, I got you to post more defaming remarks about me. What a simpleton you are.

Let Arnold deal with me and not some internet nobody who was a former policeman. What a joke you are and a stupid one at that.

You posted in the past that you were going to contact Arnold's people about what I posted. You are a stellar bloke for sure.

If you feel that I made up a story about Arnold why keep mentioning it if it is a falsehood? You are perpetuating that stuff, not me.



Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2017, 08:42:01 AM
Basile will have on his headstone "All he wanted out of life were Blue Stars" 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
vince you monstrously obese simpleton

you posted the arnold story on every forum on the net multiple times

you are a man with no ethical standards

a man whos only claim to fame is he won a contest that he rigged

by picking the judges

you are in no position to cast aspersions on my character you fat old wind bag

now post a link to all these articles you had published

what you


You know, it isn't often I get to witness a person devoid of even common sense. But there you are shining like a National Guitar.

You were not a witness to any of the events mentioned yet are quick to make ethical judgments. Obviously you have never

been judged in a bodybuilding contest. One wonders why you even hang around Getbig. Oh, I forgot, you are big bigmc. My mistake.

I posted the story about Arnold and the babysitter on two forums. Only Getbig remains because Ironage has been devoured by a virus.

Now that Arnold has been exposed as misbehaving in his own home do you think people will imagine he didn't do similar things with

other females, especially in the past? I mean, have you met Arnold? Have you read his books? The guy feels entitled to break the

rules if he benefits. He wrote that he never befriended anyone who couldn't benefit him in some way....and that includes women.

I merely wrote about what he did at our place. He was a guest and behaved in a lecherous and boorish way. No amount of challenging

me or the facts is going to change what he did.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 08:55:34 AM
Basile will have on his headstone "All he wanted out of life were Blue Stars" 

Even the great bigmc declared that this forum was for stirring others and having a laugh. I make a post about Blue Stars and the flotsam are too dense to see that I am having a laugh.

If you ever won a national bodybuilding title you will know that blue stars on a discussion forum mean absolutely nothing....except to dudes like Goodrum.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 09:07:48 AM
vince where are articles you claim to have had published

vince where is the evidence your doms theory is more than the pompous ramblings of a morbidly obese idiot

vince post some evidence of any of your claims

you nincompoop
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2017, 09:27:37 AM
Even the great bigmc declared that this forum was for stirring others and having a laugh. I make a post about Blue Stars and the flotsam are too dense to see that I am having a laugh.

If you ever won a national bodybuilding title you will know that blue stars on a discussion forum mean absolutely nothing....except to dudes like Goodrum.

GB is exactly that - a goof - but you seem real prickly over this issue.  And yes - we know - for like the quad zillionth time - you are the Canuk Champion
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 26, 2017, 09:33:44 AM

If you ever won a national bodybuilding title you will know that blue stars on a discussion forum mean absolutely nothing....except to dudes like Goodrum.

Using the old reverse psychology.   :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 26, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Even intelligent people, ourselves included, can overlook things and make mistakes.
Mike never entertained the idea that growth could be continuous. He accepted Selye's stress theory so concluded bodybuilders need more rest to completely recover from hard workouts.
I never considered every third day training as being optimal. Well, we did for many years train 6 days a week, MWF upper body and TThF legs. Sunday off. No wonder we didn't get huge!
I discovered the DOMS method by accident by triggering DOMS when I had been training very hard for several weeks. I was convinced that if one could get the muscles sore he
should grow. Taking it a step further I wondered what would happen if I kept the muscles sore. For me it was an exciting month. I ran to my workouts. The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing. How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout. That was a great month. Since that time I have trained now and then
but never for more than a few workouts. Each workout still generates DOMS. For older guys that is the closest we get to the fountain of youth without additional pharmaceuticals.

I was listening to a fellow talk about the very early days when he had Arthur Jones train him in Deland, Florida. He said the workouts were brutal and not that short. Arthur knew how to get you to go to your very limit. Many guys threw up from the hard training. This guy went outside afterwards and stretched out on the grass to collect his thoughts. We can see that Arthur was getting some of his results not from his Nautilus machines but the brutal way he got people to train. For example, Sergio Oliva trained with Arthur and in 1971-2 was at his peak. For legs Arthur would have them go to the limit on the leg press with a huge weight for 25 reps. Then without resting do leg extensions for 15 reps with another big load. Finally, without rest he would load up the barbell and have them go to the limit for 10 to 15 reps. Sergio followed Casey Viator on a leg workout and when they got to the squats with 405 pounds (4 plates per side) Sergio couldn't get up on the first rep. He did get better and could eventually handle that protocol. Sometimes they would repeat that sequence so imagine how they felt afterwards. That is still a hard way to train today.



"The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing.
How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout."



Really You Grew that quickly during each workout.  ::)

Bollocks -- Either you have worded that wrong or it was the pump.
No way you were growing during a workout.

HTH
 ;)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
"The soreness was very welcome
because I knew I was growing.
How did I know? I could measure the improvements after each and every workout."



Really You Grew that quickly during each workout.  ::)

Bollocks -- Either you have worded that wrong or it was the pump.
No way you were growing during a workout.

HTH
 ;)


Oh, dear, not even hypertrophy 100 here. The DOMS soreness was welcome. It is delayed until the next day AFTER training. I hope you get this crucial point.

About the pump. Larry Scott said in his seminar at our gym that you always strive to pump your arms, etc., bigger than ever. If you can pump them bigger

from your hard training then you will surely be bigger the next morning. The next day after every arm workout for a month I grew 1/10th of an inch. That is

quite rapid growth.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 10:37:05 AM
vince claiming his arms grew an inch every ten days

while he put on 50lbs of fat

and became morbidly obese

thats all the evidence right there folks
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 26, 2017, 10:41:51 AM
vince claiming his arms grew an inch every ten days

while he put on 50lbs of fat

and became morbidly obese

thats all the evidence right there folks




Vince claims many things. With not a lot to substantiate his claims.

Mainly Trying to put others down or Stupid childish name calling.

way to go vince.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 10:46:52 AM



Vince claims many things. With not a lot to substantiate his claims.

Mainly Trying to put others down or Stupid childish name calling.

way to go vince.


to be fair to vince

i thought he was the only competitor in 1970

as you can see they wheeled some people in off the street who had never trained

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 26, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
to be fair to vince

i thought he was the only competitor in 1970

as you can see they wheeled some people in off the street who had never trained







Yes That's good of you to post that in defence of Vince.
some very tough competition for him there.

Just as well the judging was all fair and proper.
 ;)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 10:51:05 AM




Yes That's good of you to post that in defence of Vince.
some very tough competition for him there.

Just as well the judging was all fair and proper.
 ;)


yes accusing vince of being creepy

was wrong of me with no evidence to support
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2017, 10:54:26 AM
to my shame i forgot vince has posted this photo as evidence of his two inch arm gain in one month

and he definitely didnt try and make his arm look bigger by angling it closer to the camera

the most impressive thing for me is the bicep peak and snake like veins running through that ripped muscular gun
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 26, 2017, 10:54:49 AM



Vince claims many things. With not a lot to substantiate his claims.

Mainly Trying to put others down or Stupid childish name calling.

way to go vince.

the person posting isnt even Vince...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
the person posting isnt even Vince...

Hand your blue stars back to Ron, you're done.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 11:01:09 AM
Nice to see that bigmc has a collection of my photos. That's the spirit.

No homo, definitely.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 11:11:44 AM
Ken Rivard won best arms, chest and back but came second overall. Walter Milner won best abs and most muscular. John Mikl won best junior....he was 17.

I won best legs and best poser.  Walter and John also won the Mr Canada title. Ken never competed again as far as I know.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 11:37:10 AM
Muscle Builder article about the Mr Canada contest 1970.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Page 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Zillotch on April 26, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Muscle Builder article about the Mr Canada contest 1970.

that back shot is pretty damn good... is that u?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: hench on April 26, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
That's a great back shot
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Zillotch on April 26, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
that back shot is pretty damn good... is that u?

silly me... I actually bothered looking closer, and scrolled up the page, and now I see that the impressive back shot.. is not yours, vince. oops.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on April 26, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
Goddammit, give the man his blue stars already!   >:(
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Kwon on April 26, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
Great backshot from Mr Canada!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 26, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
Hand your blue stars back to Ron, you're done.
accused Arnold of rape, youre done....
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on April 26, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
to my shame i forgot vince has posted this photo as evidence of his two inch arm gain in one month

and he definitely didnt try and make his arm look bigger by angling it closer to the camera

the most impressive thing for me is the bicep peak and snake like veins running through that ripped muscular gun




Ha ha ha - There is just no answer to that.
The pic speaks Volumes.

Bigmc got you there vince.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 26, 2017, 01:58:15 PM


the main reason i give you shit is because you accused arnold of rape because he placed you dead last in a contest

thst says everything about the type of person you are



 ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 26, 2017, 02:01:14 PM
vince claiming his arms grew an inch every ten days

while he put on 50lbs of fat

and became morbidly obese

thats all the evidence right there folks

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 05:30:45 PM
Message to Ron and the moderators. You have long ago lost control of this place.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 26, 2017, 07:06:21 PM
Oh, dear, not even hypertrophy 100 here. The DOMS soreness was welcome. It is delayed until the next day AFTER training. I hope you get this crucial point.

About the pump. Larry Scott said in his seminar at our gym that you always strive to pump your arms, etc., bigger than ever. If you can pump them bigger

from your hard training then you will surely be bigger the next morning. The next day after every arm workout for a month I grew 1/10th of an inch. That is

quite rapid growth.



Vince serious question and if you answered in the past please direct me to the llink

How did you train(sets,reps, split) back when you trained for the Canada's ans when you did the next shows?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 26, 2017, 07:48:23 PM
Vince serious question and if you answered in the past please direct me to the llink

How did you train(sets,reps, split) back when you trained for the Canada's ans when you did the next shows?

Vince you are online yet choose not to answer my question?????

I am curious to know how you built your initial physique which was fantastic and strivable for anyone who is drug free or on small amounts of gear
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
Vince you are online yet choose not to answer my question?????

I am curious to know how you built your initial physique which was fantastic and strivable for anyone who is drug free or on small amounts of gear

Bee Pollen ?   
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 26, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Bee Pollen ?   

1.25 mg of pur dbol a day, true story
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
Vince serious question and if you answered in the past please direct me to the llink

How did you train(sets,reps, split) back when you trained for the Canada's ans when you did the next shows?

You can see how serious discussions are dealt with on the gossip forum.....anything goes. So this isn't the place to discuss training.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on April 26, 2017, 09:35:10 PM
Message to Ron and the moderators. You have long ago lost control of this place.



bye then.....
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 26, 2017, 09:38:50 PM
You can see how serious discussions are dealt with on the gossip forum.....anything goes. So this isn't the place to discuss training.

Just lay it out, what is the deal here Vince? You know you are avoiding the answer just like the other Vince here TBH
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 26, 2017, 11:11:49 PM
Just lay it out, what is the deal here Vince? You know you are avoiding the answer just like the other Vince here TBH

shows Vince is chicken to state that volume training built his then awesome physique
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 26, 2017, 11:38:52 PM
shows Vince is chicken to state that volume training built his then awesome physique

What a pest. No, I didn't do volume training or HIT. I devised my own protocols based on lots of methods.

Larry Scott impressed me because he was a skinny kid and look how big his arms were as Mr Olympia.

He would train past the pain barrier and did short rep burns. Lots of them.

The principle I followed was to do only enough sets to get a maximum pump. That was it. It worked

out to be 7 or 8 sets which included warm up sets.

Looking back I would say I missed a key element. Volume with the maximum resistance for 15 reps.

Every huge guy had to do something similar to get that size. There might be many different ways to get

there but they go through the hypertrophy tunnel and that is when you are pumped to the max, shaking,

and exhausted. There is no easy way to get big naturally.

In 1970 I did a pyramid building up to the maximum for 6 to 8 reps. Nowadays I would do the max sets

with the same weight and do 5 or 6 of those heaviest sets. That is what triggers hypertrophy. Volume

with a medium/heavy load done to the limit each time. No need to go past failure because you are doing

more sets with the same weight. You have to accumulate sufficient time under tension at high intensity.

The only way to do that is multiple sets with a heavy load. You don't do low reps because you are also

aiming at the pump. So start with 15 to 20 reps for your max set. By the third max set you won't be able

to complete the same number of reps. The idea is to stay above 10 reps. Why? Two reasons. Get the pump

and avoid injuries. People cheat when using the heaviest weights.

I think I did body parts twice a week.

Oh, I did an experiment in 1969 where I did seated side twists with a broom for 20 to 30 minutes a day. Result after

two weeks: Zero reduction in the waist. The muscle magazines were bullshit. I didn't follow the high protein

diet, either. I lost 20 pounds in the last 2 weeks before the contest. I was a lot bigger at 210. I still wasn't that

defined for the competition weighing 190.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 27, 2017, 02:59:35 PM
Vince you are online yet choose not to answer my question?????

I am curious to know how you built your initial physique which was fantastic and strivable for anyone who is drug free or on small amounts of gear

Sound of AAF jets flaying over his place is disturbing him too much so he could not concentrate ...........

 :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: TheShape. on April 27, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
What a pest. No, I didn't do volume training or HIT. I devised my own protocols based on lots of methods.

Larry Scott impressed me because he was a skinny kid and look how big his arms were as Mr Olympia.

He would train past the pain barrier and did short rep burns. Lots of them.

The principle I followed was to do only enough sets to get a maximum pump. That was it. It worked

out to be 7 or 8 sets which included warm up sets.

Looking back I would say I missed a key element. Volume with the maximum resistance for 15 reps.

Every huge guy had to do something similar to get that size. There might be many different ways to get

there but they go through the hypertrophy tunnel and that is when you are pumped to the max, shaking,

and exhausted. There is no easy way to get big naturally.

In 1970 I did a pyramid building up to the maximum for 6 to 8 reps. Nowadays I would do the max sets

with the same weight and do 5 or 6 of those heaviest sets. That is what triggers hypertrophy. Volume

with a medium/heavy load done to the limit each time. No need to go past failure because you are doing

more sets with the same weight. You have to accumulate sufficient time under tension at high intensity.

The only way to do that is multiple sets with a heavy load. You don't do low reps because you are also

aiming at the pump. So start with 15 to 20 reps for your max set. By the third max set you won't be able

to complete the same number of reps. The idea is to stay above 10 reps. Why? Two reasons. Get the pump

and avoid injuries. People cheat when using the heaviest weights.

I think I did body parts twice a week.

Oh, I did an experiment in 1969 where I did seated side twists with a broom for 20 to 30 minutes a day. Result after

two weeks: Zero reduction in the waist. The muscle magazines were bullshit. I didn't follow the high protein

diet, either. I lost 20 pounds in the last 2 weeks before the contest. I was a lot bigger at 210. I still wasn't that

defined for the competition weighing 190.
In response to this post from my own personal experiences, I've encountered the best growth in my arms as a natural using a preacher curl machine, if fo 5 sets of 10 with the first two being warm up sets, then at the end of my entire workout, I'd blast my biceps again with a free weight preacher curl but using extremely light weight for as many reps as possible, around the range of 50-100 reps total. I must start doing that again soon.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: wes on April 27, 2017, 04:11:31 PM
That`s a great way to train Vince..........what you recommended with the higher reps for a burning pump.


Page 21

xxooxxxooooox
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 27, 2017, 10:20:37 PM
When Vince will meet.. Vince in person, someone will see green stars definitely.  ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on April 28, 2017, 01:09:23 AM
That`s a great way to train Vince..........what you recommended with the higher reps for a burning pump.


Page 21

xxooxxxooooox

Interesting study I just read on high reps training.

http://ergo-log.com/rhabdomyolysis-through-high-reps-strength-training.html
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on April 28, 2017, 01:41:03 AM
Interesting study I just read on high reps training.

http://ergo-log.com/rhabdomyolysis-through-high-reps-strength-training.html

i train with high reps now

feel much better training in the 20 to 30 rep range with moderate reps

you lose a little of the density but other than that it seems to suit getting older much better

than trying to break your body down all the time
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 29, 2017, 03:36:17 PM
(https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=471911&d=1486988700)

1 of basile photographs .............

 :)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 29, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
1 of basile photographs .............

 :)

No, it's from WSA*











*Wiggs Space Agency
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 29, 2017, 04:12:20 PM
No, it's from WSA*

how can i sail around the world if is flat  :-\













*Wiggs Space Agency
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 29, 2017, 04:17:32 PM


According to Wiggs you can't
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Skeletor on April 29, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
No, it's from WSA WFA*











*Wiggs Space Firmament Agency

Fixed.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 29, 2017, 11:12:10 PM
Fixed.

Oh crap, you're right :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 29, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
According to Wiggs you can't

 :-\ :-\ :-\

so  :o this watery planet is gone flat  ???

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 29, 2017, 11:29:53 PM
:-\ :-\ :-\

so  :o this watery planet is gone flat  ???



Uncle Wiggs thinks so, and made it a mission to inform us dumbos about 'the truth'
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 30, 2017, 12:29:59 AM
I went to LA in the same week that Arnold arrived there...October 1968. I met him when he trained at Golds and hung around the beach.

I measured his arms at 21 1/2 inches one day in Golds. In Honolulu in January 1969 at Mit's Gym I measured Arnold's height at 6' 1 1/2".

So far I am the only person who has published that they measured his height. He said he was 6' 2". Not at night he wasn't.

He came to our gym for a seminar in 1974. Then he and his entourage came to our place at Manly for a meal and to meet some

of his fans. I met him again in 1975 when he judged the Mr Australia contest.

He came to my gym again just after the Olympia in 1980 with Franco who put on a seminar.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 30, 2017, 02:25:58 AM
Some great stories, Vince. Anyway, if you know anything about the history of the 1980 Olympia ( strange) trophies. Who made them and from what material. Looks somehow strange. I know Zane destroyed his trophy in his room on the walls after the contest.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 30, 2017, 03:23:13 AM
Some great stories, Vince. Anyway, if you know anything about the history of the 1980 Olympia ( strange) trophies. Who made them and from what material. Looks somehow strange. I know Zane destroyed his trophy in his room on the walls after the contest.

I heard stories about Mentzer smashing his trophy. Someone wrote that Zane claimed he dropped his trophy.

Interesting story about Zane. Robert Nailon befriended him when he came to Australia a year or so before the Olympia. After the 80 Olympia Robert drove Frank and Christine back to the Hilton Hotel. Everyone else except Arnold was at the Bondi Beach Motel.

Arnold was also at the Hilton. Well, Robert had to park his car and left it with his girlfriend. When he came back up to Frank's room he thought he could hear someone crying so he listened at the door. When he knocked on the door Christine opened it and told

Robert that Frank didn't feel like having any company at the moment. A disappointed Robert raced back to the Opera House but missed the Harbour Cruise for the contestants and officials. I was on the cruise with my family and Arnold and Joe were there with most

of the gang. Nice cruise that night.

Paul Graham got the trophies. Can't tell you much about them. We won one for the best support gym. It was about 30 inches high. Paul said there was no time to present it at the contest. Nice one, Paul.

A group of bodybuilders had a meeting at my gym several days after the contest and decided to form a new bb organization. We sent the trophy we won to Chris Dickerson. It read, " To Chris Dickerson,

Mr Olympia 1980 from the bodybuilders of Australia". According to Randy Roach, Chris is proud of that trophy.

One of my photos taken at the contest. I recently edited it to enhance the photo and remove distracting things in the background.
This is an important photo. This was one of the first call outs and Arnold wasn't included. Look at the expression on his face!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on April 30, 2017, 04:49:33 AM


Paul Graham got the trophies. Can't tell you much about them. We won one for the best support gym. It was about 30 inches high. Paul said there was no time to present it at the contest. Nice one, Paul.

A group of bodybuilders had a meeting at my gym several days after the contest and decided to form a new bb organization. We sent the trophy we won to Chris Dickerson. It read, " To Chris Dickerson,

Mr Olympia 1980 from the bodybuilders of Australia". According to Randy Roach, Chris is proud of that trophy.


 :'( :'( :'(

" United " Body Builders of Australia , long time dead 'organization'   :'( :'( :'(

Plastic rubbish & C.D. is "proud" of that  ::) ::) ::)


 ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 30, 2017, 07:13:34 AM
Thanks, Vince   8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 30, 2017, 08:46:40 PM
Found this photo. Not in good condition. Will look for the negative. Franco put on a seminar at our gym after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest in Sydney. Arnold was there. So was Bev Francis.

Not a good seminar for bodybuilding info but okay for chiropractor demonstrations. Arnold took Bev for a short drive after this photo was taken. I suppose they wanted to know her secret

to being so muscular and strong. Bev was the first woman to bench 300 pounds officially. She also posed at the Mr Olympia 1980 and the crowd gave her lots of applause. We were wondering

how she would be accepted. No worries there at all.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on April 30, 2017, 11:26:53 PM
Interesting. I see a T-shirt with a print that promotes Mr Olympia's contest in Australia on him. And in the middle.. Arnold Schwarzenegger. As if they knew that Arnold will compete. ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 30, 2017, 11:35:38 PM
Found this photo. Not in good condition. Will look for the negative. Franco put on a seminar at our gym after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest in Sydney. Arnold was there. So was Bev Francis.

Not a good seminar for bodybuilding info but okay for chiropractor demonstrations. Arnold took Bev for a short drive after this photo was taken. I suppose they wanted to know her secret

to being so muscular and strong. Bev was the first woman to bench 300 pounds officially. She also posed at the Mr Olympia 1980 and the crowd gave her lots of applause. We were wondering

how she would be accepted. No worries there at all.

is it the first time this photo is online? Arnold fans would love that fact  :)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 30, 2017, 11:44:46 PM
Interesting. I see a T-shirt with a print that promotes Mr Olympia's contest in Australia on him. And in the middle.. Arnold Schwarzenegger. As if they knew that Arnold will compete. ;D

Our gym sold 200 tickets to that contest. When I picked up more tickets from Paul Graham he told me Arnold was entering. I guess to help sell more tickets which it did.

On the morning of the contest I was at the Bondi Beach motel where most of the competitors were staying. Zane moved out because Christine didn't like the huge cockroaches that flew

into the rooms! Arnold was at the Hilton Hotel in the city. I told a couple of competitors that Arnold was entering but I don't think they believed me.

Promoting a bodybuilding contest in the main concert hall of the Opera House costs a lot of money. Add all the air fares and accommodation for the judges, officials and competitors.

Then there was prize money. $20,000 to the winner. Trophies and advertising. Well, this was the last Olympia where they awarded trophies for places. We heard that Paul lost money

on the show. Paul held a "Mr Universe" contest in the same concert hall in 1979 that Roy Callendar won. That is how I was able to choose the right seat in the middle of the hall to take

photos. All the other photographers were either on the stage, like Nailon, or down near the front. I got a seat next to me for John Balik for the night show. He swapped his seat at the front

with a happy gym member. My camera jammed just before the posedown. I was shooting slides so didn't have any of the presentations. Balik did. In the end I sold my slides and negatives

to Nailon with a clause allowing me to make copies of the photos if I wanted. Two years ago I asked Robert if he had the negatives and slides. I was at his place with my laptop and scanner.

Nope, everything now belonged to his son Scott who refused to let me make copies. We couldn't find the copy of the contract so Nailon refuses to uphold the agreement.

Trust in God but tie your camel!

I edited this photo to put the competitors closer. Removed Roger Walker and the background.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on April 30, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
is it the first time this photo is online? Arnold fans would love that fact  :)

Yes, as far as I know. Not bad for a thread on Getbig.

By the way, the photos I have posted here re the 1980 Mr Olympia are edited from photos I took in the past.

I posted them at a large size so comparisons can be made about this controversial contest.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 30, 2017, 11:52:52 PM
Yes, as far as I know. Not bad for a thread on Getbig.

Good job, Basile. And for the record, I support your quest for blue stars!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 01, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
The Opera House scene  8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 01, 2017, 03:44:23 AM


to Nailon with a clause allowing me to make copies of the photos if I wanted. Two years ago I asked Robert if he had the negatives and slides. I was at his place with my laptop and scanner.

Nope, everything now belonged to his son Scott who refused to let me make copies. We couldn't find the copy of the contract so Nailon refuses to uphold the agreement.



 :'( :'( :'(

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on May 01, 2017, 05:36:22 AM
Why does this photo look shopped?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=723938;image)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 01, 2017, 05:47:37 AM
▲▲▲ the right arm is shopped
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 05:56:51 AM
Why does this photo look shopped?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628408.0;attach=723938;image)

Well, the photo is from the cover and not the original slide. There was an orange cast to the skin. Nothing changed on the physique.

Tried to get rid of the grain caused by printing. Then a bit of colour correction. Anyone with a copy of IronMan can compare the photos.

IronMan considers this cover one of their very best they have published. If we judged the contest on one photo he would have won that

Olympia.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 06:01:42 AM
Here is a Black and White version of the photo with the background removed. They reversed the photo on the cover so here is what the original pose looked like.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 01, 2017, 06:04:13 AM
The original cover magazine from 1981
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 06:11:29 AM
Here is the Muscle Digest cover of Arnold winning the 1980 Mr Olympia.

I edited it a bit just now.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on May 01, 2017, 06:16:42 AM
Here is the Muscle Digest cover of Arnold winning the 1980 Mr Olympia.

I edited it a bit just now.

Why are you editing your original photos?   ???
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 01, 2017, 06:59:11 AM
Here is the Muscle Digest cover of Arnold winning the 1980 Mr Olympia.
I edited it a bit just now.

Unfortunately, they put the mirror version. That is the right arm, not the left
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 07:06:09 AM
Unfortunately, they put the mirror version. That is the right arm, not the left


Yes, editors like to have the bodybuilding action going from left to right.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 07:07:50 AM
Why are you editing your original photos?   ???

Nailon has my original negatives and slides. All I am doing is editing the copies that I have from covers published by magazines.

In those days they didn't have much ability to colour correct photos. I can do that easier now.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 01, 2017, 07:10:02 AM
Nailon has my original negatives and slides. All I am doing is editing the copies that I have from covers published by magazines.

In those days they didn't have much ability to colour correct photos. I can do that easier now.

vince

it seem convenient that all the famous photos you claim to have taken

are not backed up by the original negatives

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 07:14:38 AM
vince

it seem convenient that all the famous photos you claim to have taken

are not backed up by the original negatives



You are a persistent ignoramus and certified dope. Do yourself a favour and refrain from demonstrating your stupidity in my threads.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on May 01, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
Mr. Basile,

Are you angry that most people would recognize Arnold at an expo but most, if not all, would not recognize you?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 01, 2017, 07:20:06 AM
You are a persistent ignoramus and certified dope. Do yourself a favour and refrain from demonstrating your stupidity in my threads.

vince throwing a tantrum will not get us anywhere

its a very reasonable question to ask

can you prove ownership of any of these photos

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on May 01, 2017, 07:38:46 AM
You are a persistent ignoramus and certified dope. Do yourself a favour and refrain from demonstrating your stupidity in my threads.

Vince, can you post some original Polaroids from your collection?  I would love to view some never before seen photos from the 70's to 80's era.   
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: wes on May 01, 2017, 08:31:35 AM
Great pics there Vince.....thanks!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 01, 2017, 02:31:42 PM
Go to the men's public restroom on manly beach. Enter the middle booth and knock three times on the wall on a sunday afternoon. You will receive something, but maybe not what you are asking for.

So sad , but Vince now live 75km from the beach  :'(


 ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 01, 2017, 02:34:14 PM
vince throwing a tantrum will not get us anywhere

its a very reasonable question to ask

can you prove ownership of any of these photos




He owns Manly beach too   ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 07:05:17 PM
Surfboard 1717 is Teutonic Knight. I thought he was banned from Getbig?

He boasts that he is sponsored by Red Bull. Well that is clearly bs.

His agenda is to stalk and harass me. What a tool.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on May 01, 2017, 07:18:04 PM
Vince, can you post some more unseen pics from your collection?  The Arnold and Franco pic is incredible. 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 08:15:05 PM
Vince, can you post some more unseen pics from your collection?  The Arnold and Franco pic is incredible. 

Here is one of me and my Porsche Carrera RS. I had it painted bright red but there were buff marks so I sold it. Silly me.

I tore my right biceps doing a deadlift with 509 pounds. Had an operation to repair it but not successful. So I tell everyone

not to do heavy deadlifts. Does anyone listen? Nope, dumb as the bells they lift.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Skeletor on May 01, 2017, 08:23:04 PM
Here is one of me and my Porsche Carrera RS. I had it painted bright red but there were buff marks so I sold it. Silly me.

I tore my right biceps doing a deadlift with 509 pounds. Had an operation to repair it but not successful. So I tell everyone

not to do heavy deadlifts. Does anyone listen? Nope, dumb as the bells they lift.

What about using double overhand grip instead of mixed grip?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 01, 2017, 09:01:33 PM
What about using double overhand grip instead of mixed grip?

A lot of bodybuilders do deadlifts. I can't see any justification for doing them. Arthur Jones warned that we should develop strength, not demonstrate it.

In other words, if you must do them don't do less than 5 reps. I consider this a dangerous exercise and not only for tearing biceps but for the damage done

to the spine. Same with really heavy squats.

Yes, the double overhand grip is safer for deadlifts. The underhand grip places enormous tension on the biceps. You can tear one of the muscles of the biceps

that does supination. That was a disaster for me since I can't put too much force on that movement when using my biceps-supinator machine.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 02, 2017, 03:55:59 AM


 Had an operation to repair it but not successful.


 :-\  >  :'( > ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: falco on May 02, 2017, 06:00:24 AM
Deadlifts and shrugs busted two of mine cervical disks.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: TheShape. on May 02, 2017, 09:08:22 AM
A lot of bodybuilders do deadlifts. I can't see any justification for doing them. Arthur Jones warned that we should develop strength, not demonstrate it.

In other words, if you must do them don't do less than 5 reps. I consider this a dangerous exercise and not only for tearing biceps but for the damage done

to the spine. Same with really heavy squats.

Yes, the double overhand grip is safer for deadlifts. The underhand grip places enormous tension on the biceps. You can tear one of the muscles of the biceps

that does supination. That was a disaster for me since I can't put too much force on that movement when using my biceps-supinator machine.
Hmmm, I've been debating on whether or not to stop deadlifting heavy because I saw the horrors of torn biceps in YouTube videos while using the mixed grip. As a natural right now I can deadlift 500, but I'm thinking that's enough for my ego since I really don't want an injury of that magnitude. What would I replace it with?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 02, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
Did not Dorian torn his bicep in 1994 the same way?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 02, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
Did not Dorian tear his bicep in 1994 the same way?

Reverse grip rows
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 02, 2017, 09:27:44 AM
OK, thanks ND
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Twaddle on May 02, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Basile, were you ever driving with an attractive lad in your Porsche, and then you "accidentally" grabbed something else instead of the stick shifter?

Do you realize the majority of your posts are elaborate, homosexual fantasies?   ???
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on May 03, 2017, 12:14:48 AM
Do you realize the majority of your posts are elaborate, homosexual fantasies?   ???

That's FF for you. You can write a serious and informative post and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is a gay comment. And not the usual tongue and cheek crack but a detailed thought through gay imagery.

I once posted this pic of Mike and Ray to point out how Ray had a more traditional bbers physique calling attention to the arms and delts of each. The first thought that came to FF is the number of times he imagined they had anal sex.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BquYedW6PQQ/T1yhnWkZOpI/AAAAAAAAANg/Uol_R7yA4c4/s400/mike+mentzer4.jpg)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: AbrahamG on May 03, 2017, 12:42:56 AM
That's FF for you. You can write a serious and informative post and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is a gay comment. And not the usual tongue and cheek crack but a detailed thought through gay imagery.

I once posted this pic of Mike and Ray to point out how Ray had a more traditional bbers physique calling attention to the arms and delts of each. The first thought that came to FF is the number of times he imagined they had anal sex.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BquYedW6PQQ/T1yhnWkZOpI/AAAAAAAAANg/Uol_R7yA4c4/s400/mike+mentzer4.jpg)

Which Mentzer do you think had the bigger, thicker, veinier cock?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
I finally have my biceps machine at my place. Had a brutal arm workout just now. Arms feel great.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on May 05, 2017, 02:23:13 AM
I finally have my biceps machine at my place. Had a brutal arm workout just now. Arms feel great.

Is this just a one time thing or are you going to actually test your theories on yourself.

BTW, consumed 65 grams of protein today and I survived. Now I know why you were shaking your head at me and my 185 lb pound bod chunging down protein shakes so I can get the magic 300 grams of protein a day.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 05, 2017, 02:44:07 AM
Is this just a one time thing or are you going to actually test your theories on yourself.

BTW, consumed 65 grams of protein today and I survived. Now I know why you were shaking your head at me and my 185 lb pound bod chunging down protein shakes so I can get the magic 300 grams of protein a day.



my trainer years back Mr. JM Blakey maintained his size and sstrength on bout 80 grams daily

He weighed bout 270 and benched over 6 bills
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 03:51:18 AM
Is this just a one time thing or are you going to actually test your theories on yourself.

BTW, consumed 65 grams of protein today and I survived. Now I know why you were shaking your head at me and my 185 lb pound bod chunging down protein shakes so I can get the magic 300 grams of protein a day.




After my arm workout I flexed them in the mirror. I said out loud, "I'll show them!" Always train harder when there is some motivation.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 05, 2017, 03:54:18 AM
Kim

After my arm workout I flexed them in the mirror. I said out loud, "I'll show them!" Always train harder when there is some motivation.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 05, 2017, 04:03:53 AM
Hmmm, I've been debating on whether or not to stop deadlifting heavy because I saw the horrors of torn biceps in YouTube videos while using the mixed grip. As a natural right now I can deadlift 500, but I'm thinking that's enough for my ego since I really don't want an injury of that magnitude. What would I replace it with?

Maybe try a hex bar.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 04:04:51 AM


I still look the same.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 05, 2017, 04:06:19 AM
I still look the same.

how do you get such a great peak on your biceps?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 04:09:28 AM
Maybe try a hex bar.

Bodybuilders believe things like a religion. Why do dangerous exercises?

You don't have to do so many exercises. Give your body a rest and you might grow again.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 05, 2017, 07:32:49 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ibkwnq.jpg)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: CalvinH on May 05, 2017, 07:34:25 AM
Maybe try a hex bar.


I've been saying this forever.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Waller on May 05, 2017, 07:57:37 AM
Bodybuilders believe things like a religion. Why do dangerous exercises?

You don't have to do so many exercises. Give your body a rest and you might grow again.

I thought no rest and constant DOMS would make you grow? Now it's get some rest?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on May 05, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Vince can you tell us the origin of the phrase "What you!"?  I remember there being some kind of story behind it
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 05, 2017, 03:20:36 PM


Fat old man .................... ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 05, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
how do you get such a great peak on your biceps?

Because he travels 75km (each way) to supinate biceps in "his" gym .................... :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Las Vegas on May 05, 2017, 07:01:32 PM
Vince can you tell us the origin of the phrase "What you!"?  I remember there being some kind of story behind it

A foreign guy he was speaking with.  It's funny, because since he's mentioned it I've noticed a few say it. "What you?"
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
I thought no rest and constant DOMS would make you grow? Now it's get some rest?

You have to consider doing less training overall. That way DOMS training can target some muscles and not the whole body. Most guys do too much and literally can't grow.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: rocket on May 05, 2017, 08:33:46 PM

I tore my right biceps doing a deadlift with 509 pounds. Had an operation to repair it but not successful. So I tell everyone

not to do heavy deadlifts. Does anyone listen? Nope, dumb as the bells they lift.

Torn biceps from heavy deadlifts is a statistically unlikely scenario.  I've never known anybody to suffer it and I know plenty of people who deadlift that and more.

It's dumb to assume that your single experience carries the weight of total avoidance for the rest of the populace.

It could happen to any of us - but it doesn't constitute total avoidance.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 09:17:39 PM
Torn biceps from heavy deadlifts is a statistically unlikely scenario.  I've never known anybody to suffer it and I know plenty of people who deadlift that and more.

It's dumb to assume that your single experience carries the weight of total avoidance for the rest of the populace.

It could happen to any of us - but it doesn't constitute total avoidance.

My Dad warned me about lifting heavy weights. I disregarded such advice since my experience proved otherwise. I felt invincible....I considered my muscles could handle heavy loads.

You would think a gym owner, former PE teacher, champion bodybuilder and student of exercise science would be listened to especially with almost 60 years experience training with weights. I see plenty of slender guys doing deadlifts that hardly benefit them at all. They bang the heavy weights on the floor to show people they are strong. They really shouldn't waste time doing such an unproductive exercise.
 
If we look at the BB who lifted really heavy, eg., Dorian and Ronnie they both tore muscles. That should be a lesson to everyone training hard.

 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 05, 2017, 09:20:30 PM
You have to consider doing less training overall. That way DOMS training can target some muscles and not the whole body. Most guys do too much and literally can't grow.

is that why you only train arms

yet your stomach has grown massively
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 05, 2017, 10:50:14 PM
is that why you only train arms?

Yes, and the results are very satisfactory. Thanks for your support.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 06, 2017, 05:47:03 AM
AJ said that the full benefits of squats and deads can be achieved without using more than 3 bills on them
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 06, 2017, 09:50:14 AM
AJ said that the full benefits of squats and deads can be achieved without using more than 3 bills on them

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 06, 2017, 11:45:53 AM


FFS, he should NEVER wear shorts :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: rocket on May 07, 2017, 01:37:53 AM
My Dad warned me about lifting heavy weights. I disregarded such advice since my experience proved otherwise. I felt invincible....I considered my muscles could handle heavy loads.

You would think a gym owner, former PE teacher, champion bodybuilder and student of exercise science would be listened to especially with almost 60 years experience training with weights. I see plenty of slender guys doing deadlifts that hardly benefit them at all. They bang the heavy weights on the floor to show people they are strong. They really shouldn't waste time doing such an unproductive exercise.
 
If we look at the BB who lifted really heavy, eg., Dorian and Ronnie they both tore muscles. That should be a lesson to everyone training hard.

"Unproductive" by what gauge?  That they are slender?  You're forgetting that some of us lift weight because it's great fun to lift heavy and it is literally sport to do so.  I know quite a few "slender" guys who are capable of deadlifting far more than what you did and the fact that they are slender doesn't make it pointless - it makes it impressive.  They will never be thong warriors, of course - but that isn't their cup of tea (or mine).

As for that "you would think" line, I couldn't disagree more.  I think you have a poor attitude and your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.  What do I mean by that?  I mean by using your singular experience of tearing a muscle (and a few experiences of two professional bodybuilders who probably didn't tear their muscles, deadlifting anyway) to constitute an informed opinion, you're telling me that you are tremendously unscientific and that your words are that of someone who wants to be recognised for his achievements, more than he wants to give good advice.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Nether Animal on May 07, 2017, 01:57:35 AM
FFS, he should NEVER wear shorts :D

Groink esque... who would take a pic like that? dj's upper body is shredded but the wheels should stay hidden...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 07, 2017, 03:06:59 AM
Groink esque... who would take a pic like that? dj's upper body is shredded but the wheels should stay hidden...

stand by for pic of tommy hearns weighting a 150 bills holmes
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 07, 2017, 03:23:01 AM
Bodybuilders believe things like a religion. Why do dangerous exercises?

You don't have to do so many exercises. Give your body a rest and you might grow again.

It's not the free weight that makes an exercise dangerous; it's often a matter of lifting too much weight with a poor execution.

I agree 100% with the rest of your post, though you're no different with your religious believe in using the 'right' machines.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 07, 2017, 03:55:53 AM


 Give your body a rest and you might grow again.



Well, your midsection is growing and growing ..................... ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 07, 2017, 04:02:47 AM
Well, your midsection is growing and growing ..................... ::)

Are you implying that he's not into ketosis yet?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on May 07, 2017, 04:05:25 AM
Quote from: Vince B on 06-05-2017, 05:17:39

I see plenty of slender guys doing deadlifts that hardly benefit them at all. They bang the heavy weights on the floor to show people they are strong. They really shouldn't waste time doing such an unproductive exercise.  ::)


"Unproductive" by what gauge?  That they are slender?  You're forgetting that some of us lift weight because it's great fun to lift heavy and it is literally sport to do so.  I know quite a few "slender" guys who are capable of deadlifting far more than what you did and the fact that they are slender doesn't make it pointless - it makes it impressive.  They will never be thong warriors, of course - but that isn't their cup of tea (or mine).

As for that "you would think" line, I couldn't disagree more.  I think you have a poor attitude and your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.  What do I mean by that?  I mean by using your singular experience of tearing a muscle (and a few experiences of two professional bodybuilders who probably didn't tear their muscles, deadlifting anyway) to constitute an informed opinion, you're telling me that you are tremendously unscientific and that your words are that of someone who wants to be recognised for his achievements, more than he wants to give good advice.


Agreed - Well said.


As a former national Powerlifting winner - I wasn't the biggest
but sure could shift some weight - and there are many many
Slender muscular men who can pull huge deadlifts and damn
impressive it is too.

powerlifting / olympic weight lifting are great sports - not
everyone wants to be a big bodybuilder.
and its sure as hell very challenging and satisfying lift heavy
weights.


Whats with this slender guys & not lifting heavy weights Vince.

You are showing yourself to have a very poor attitude & as being
very pompous and self aggrandising - Not very appealing traits.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 07, 2017, 04:43:01 AM
ive got no problem with powerlifters doing deadlifts in their own powerlifting gyms.

just keep it out of regular gyms, its annoying.

it would be equally annoying with someone setting up conans wheel in the middle of the gym too.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 07, 2017, 05:27:41 AM
ive got no problem with powerlifters doing deadlifts in their own powerlifting gyms.

just keep it out of regular gyms, its annoying.

it would be equally annoying with someone setting up conans wheel in the middle of the gym too.


i agree.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 07, 2017, 05:34:18 AM
i agree.

Both of you are easily offended autistics
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Henda on May 07, 2017, 05:46:16 AM
i agree.

Is deadlifting banned in your gym vince?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 07, 2017, 05:48:18 AM
Both of you are easily offended autistics

maybe so, but we're not dropping plates.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 07, 2017, 08:01:17 AM
stand by for pic of tommy hearns weighting a 150 bills holmes

touche

just mentioned me man Hearns

are you a psychic chief? ? ?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 07, 2017, 08:12:20 AM
touche

just mentioned me man Hearns

are you a psychic chief? ? ?

no homes i just know the level your phaggotry has reached

im hoping that you are trolling at this point as you are nearly fifty years old not sixteen

no one talks like you do unless they are retarded or being ironic
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 07, 2017, 08:25:38 AM
maybe so, but we're not dropping plates.


Hardie, hardie, har..
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 07, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
I guess some guys who can't get big try to impress others with how much they can lift.

I recall all the athletes and weightlifters at UBC who weren't impressed with mere 'mirror athletes'.

Weightlifters don't like bodybuilders because they don't look as strong as the musclemen.

If I can stop even one person from tearing a biceps then that is reward enough. I can't tell you how

upsetting it was to tear my right biceps. Guys like Dorian who did something similar lost more than

just half a biceps.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: illuminati on May 07, 2017, 11:53:18 PM
I guess some guys who can't get big try to impress others with how much they can lift.

I recall all the athletes and weightlifters at UBC who weren't impressed with mere 'mirror athletes'.

Weightlifters don't like bodybuilders because they don't look as strong as the musclemen.

If I can stop even one person from tearing a biceps then that is reward enough. I can't tell you how

upsetting it was to tear my right biceps. Guys like Dorian who did something similar lost more than

just half a biceps.







I guess that some guys that can't lift heavy & be strong Try to Grow Their Muscles Larger
To Try & Impress The Strong / Heavy Lifters -- Hey I Can't Lift Very Much - But I Have Big Muscles.
 ;)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 08, 2017, 02:22:01 AM
Is deadlifting banned in your gym vince?

Oh, you're straight? Well, so is spaghetti until it gets hot and wet.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: rocket on May 08, 2017, 02:42:18 AM
I guess some guys who can't get big try to impress others with how much they can lift.

I recall all the athletes and weightlifters at UBC who weren't impressed with mere 'mirror athletes'.

Weightlifters don't like bodybuilders because they don't look as strong as the musclemen.

If I can stop even one person from tearing a biceps then that is reward enough. I can't tell you how

upsetting it was to tear my right biceps. Guys like Dorian who did something similar lost more than

just half a biceps.

I think perhaps you are misunderstanding me citing all these twinks I know that are stronger than you.  

It wasn't to belittle you - it was to make it clear that the idea that you can easily correlate "heavy weights" with tearing a bicep on deadlift is wrong.  I know people who are far far less muscled and more capable than you were and their bodies are not failing to handle larger deadlifts.

If you really care about people not tearing biceps doing deadlifts, invest in a texas bar for your gym.  I've no facts to back myself up, here - but I would say the texas bar minimises the danger.  I know it is a very jarring experience to go back to regular bars with no give.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 08, 2017, 03:10:35 AM
well at least deadlifts are not as dangerous as squats and bench
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 08, 2017, 04:18:20 AM
well at least deadlifts are not as dangerous as squats and bench

I've met way more people with shoulder issues from heavy benching than those with back issues from deads.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: rocket on May 08, 2017, 04:29:20 AM
I've met way more people with shoulder issues from heavy benching than those with back issues from deads.

I'm wondering if that is just because more people try to go hard on the bench.

I personally think the deadlift is wayyy more dangerous for back if you take it to the type of level that people go for bench on.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 08, 2017, 04:44:00 AM
I'm wondering if that is just because more people try to go hard on the bench.

I personally think the deadlift is wayyy more dangerous for back if you take it to the type of level that people go for bench on.


That's true, the BP is way more popular since most guys are more interested in their show muscles.

I've had serious DOMS from deads in the past as well, but I've learned to master myself the right technique (hips low, straight back, etc) and now I'm able to lift more than ever before without serious DOMS. Just as with the squat it's important to perform them at least once per 1-2 weeks. Every time I perform them after a long time my body says "fuck u".
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 08, 2017, 05:12:37 AM
^^^ how much can you pull chief?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 08, 2017, 05:31:42 AM
^^^ how much can you pull chief?

I'm not a powerlifter, deads are just a part of my back workout
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 08, 2017, 05:56:28 AM
im thinking of incorporating push ups instead of bench for my overall chest development.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 08, 2017, 05:59:51 AM
im thinking of incorporating push ups instead of bench for my overall chest development.

They're great and more shoulder friendly. You can always increase the load with 1 or 2 resistance bands, who are dirt cheap.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Henda on May 08, 2017, 07:03:05 AM
I've met way more people with shoulder issues from heavy benching than those with back issues from deads.

x2

Deadlifts actually have the opposite effect for myself (and many others) in that they keep the back pain free, after an extended period without them the niggling pains are unbearable and back feels week and easy to pull something.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 08, 2017, 07:20:09 AM
x2

Deadlifts actually have the opposite effect for myself (and many others) in that they keep the back pain free, after an extended period without them the niggling pains are unbearable and back feels week and easy to pull something.

It's one of the best movements to develop a strong core. Those who never do deads seldom perform alternative such as hyper extensions or glute ham raises. They not only have a weak core, they also lack mid & lower back thickness.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 08, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
im thinking of incorporating push ups instead of bench for my overall chest development.

(https://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_anal_beads_trucker_hat-ra04fdf2d1ada41e886f2e11897ca6b14_v9wfy_8byvr_630.jpg?view_padding=%5B285%2C0%2C285%2C0%5D)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 08, 2017, 07:00:34 PM
It's one of the best movements to develop a strong core. Those who never do deads seldom perform alternative such as hyper extensions or glute ham raises. They not only have a weak core, they also lack mid & lower back thickness.

It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert. Seems that everyone is an expert on Getbig.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 09, 2017, 12:50:11 AM
It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert. Seems that everyone is an expert on Getbig.

Thanks cutie pie :-*
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 09, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert. Seems that everyone is an expert on Getbig.

My friends say that I'm gay because I don't like football. What a bunch of idiots. I'm gay because I like cock.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 09, 2017, 05:23:54 PM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Skeletor on May 09, 2017, 05:37:02 PM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.

You are not the only one, there is also Kai Greene, deep thinker and founder of the "thoughts become things" school of philosophy:

(http://magazin.builder.hu/images/upload/thumbs/0000050049_lyylffyk.jpeg)

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SGT BARNES on May 09, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
"philosophers of science".....fucking christ...when you think basile cant be any more full of shit he pulls a jewel like that one.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Kwon on May 09, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
"philosophers of science".....fucking christ...when you think basile cant be any more full of shit he pulls a jewel like that one.

Thoughts become things...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on May 09, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.

Lol. Geez, you're so upset that you didn't make a substantial impact in the bodybuilding industry that you need to proclaim yourself a "scientist."

Damn, this is rather sad.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 09, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
Lol. Geez, you're so upset that you didn't make a substantial impact in the bodybuilding industry that you need to proclaim yourself a "scientist."

Damn, this is rather sad.

I don't claim any such thing. I have a masters degree where I specialized in the philosophy of science.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: SF1900 on May 09, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
I don't claim any such thing. I have a masters degree where I specialized in the philosophy of science.

Too bad you don't apply that to weightlifting.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 09, 2017, 10:10:44 PM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.

Vince, you're not a philosopher.... You're a bitter and pompous person who claims to be the messiah of hypertrophy, exercise equipment and photoshop, begging for recognition and stars for multiple decades...

As for me, I never claimed to be an expert, I just share my personal views.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 09, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.

you are morbidly obese

practice what you  preach

for then you will receive the recognition you crave
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Rascal full on May 10, 2017, 03:28:09 AM
I have stated before that one needs to be an expert to detect another expert in a particular field. The problem with bodybuilding is that everyone with a 16 inch arm considers that they are experts.

When you read the concerns of so many who don't know how to get any bigger doesn't this prove that they are hardly experts?

When someone comes up with a new way of approaching a discipline it won't be accepted by the majority. Look at how long it took for humanity to accept that the earth goes around the sun?

So I don't expect bodybuilders to abandon what they believe. This isn't going to happen. Are there  many philosophers of science among bodybuilders? I seem to be the only one.

Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones were philosophers but they didn't get it right re the theory of hypertrophy. They were only partly right which isn't sufficient. They had a necessary condition

but not all the sufficient conditions. They got the intensity part correct but underestimated the total time under tension that is required. In other words, you need volume as well but still

require exceedingly hard training to make the muscles have to grow.

I think over coming plateaus is the hardest part of bodybuilding. I recently started training again after an extended lay off and to begin with my muscles responded tremendously well to actually very little stimulus. I appreciate this is always the way and putting on 'old' muscle is much easier than creating 'new' muscle. It is only as the weeks turn to months and your training becomes longer and harder that ironically the results start to dwindle. This can create a mental hurdle where it is hard to motivate oneself to perform an agonisingly brutal work-out for what appears very little pay off.

Ideas to motivate and keep yourself fresh and invigorated are the keys to consistency and continual progress.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 10, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
I think over coming plateaus is the hardest part of bodybuilding. I recently started training again after an extended lay off and to begin with my muscles responded tremendously well to actually very little stimulus. I appreciate this is always the way and putting on 'old' muscle is much easier than creating 'new' muscle. It is only as the weeks turn to months and your training becomes longer and harder that ironically the results start to dwindle. This can create a mental hurdle where it is hard to motivate oneself to perform an agonisingly brutal work-out for what appears very little pay off.

Ideas to motivate and keep yourself fresh and invigorated are the keys to consistency and continual progress.



One of the things few bodybuilders consider is to cut down on what they are doing. Why train the whole body twice a week? Pick two body parts and try to make them grow.

Don't worry about the rest because they will benefit from the brutal growth producing workouts. Train them for 2 to 3 weeks then change to other parts.

Most trainees believe you have to train all muscles each week or they will atrophy. Not true. I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body.  
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 10, 2017, 05:20:03 AM
^^^ AJ claimed the exact same thing
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 10, 2017, 05:29:01 AM
^^^ AJ claimed the exact same thing
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 10, 2017, 05:50:28 AM
^^^ hahaha

his legs are too good for mine

anyways, i've started up a torso size blast and things are going very very well indeed  ;)

my chest and lats are blowing up

KA-PAP!!!!

my prized pecs are my best bodypart and they are coming back in full force chief-o  8)

i'll post up pics of my prized torso soon enough jonesy
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 10, 2017, 06:06:39 AM
^^^ hahaha

his legs are too good for mine

anyways, i've started up a torso size blast and things are going very very well indeed  ;)

my chest and lats are blowing up

KA-PAP!!!!

my prized pecs are my best bodypart and they are coming back in full force chief-o  8)

i'll post up pics of my prized torso soon enough jonesy

no you wont chief

not with your face showing homes

unless its the twenty year old pic bra

you know the one you have been living of for years

you are horrific to behold
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 10, 2017, 06:12:28 AM
^^^^ well my real life experience indicates otherwise so keep telling yourself that to make you feel better fatty





Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 10, 2017, 06:40:53 AM
^^^^ well my real life experience indicates otherwise so keep telling yourself that to make you feel better fatty







thought you were coming over to the uk in may

was that bullshit too you chicken shit twink
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: JAGO on May 10, 2017, 08:19:33 AM
One of the things few bodybuilders consider is to cut down on what they are doing. Why train the whole body twice a week? Pick two body parts and try to make them grow.

Don't worry about the rest because they will benefit from the brutal growth producing workouts. Train them for 2 to 3 weeks then change to other parts.

Most trainees believe you have to train all muscles each week or they will atrophy. Not true. I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body.  ]



ROFL











Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 10, 2017, 08:22:25 AM
i would say that in order for arms to grow you have to grow as a whole.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 10, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
it seems that for every year he ages, Basile becomes more fat and bitter!  :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Henda on May 10, 2017, 09:03:15 AM
One of the things few bodybuilders consider is to cut down on what they are doing. Why train the whole body twice a week? Pick two body parts and try to make them grow.

Don't worry about the rest because they will benefit from the brutal growth producing workouts. Train them for 2 to 3 weeks then change to other parts.

Most trainees believe you have to train all muscles each week or they will atrophy. Not true. I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body. 

So a set of reverse wrist curls will build a broad, thick powerful back?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 10, 2017, 09:14:19 AM
here's a few photos to illustrate my point.

scott askham, 6'3 185 pounds front double bicep

(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/sports/2016/02/27/scott-askham-finishes-chris-dempsey-with-beautiful-head-kick-ko/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1456634995320.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

junior dos santos 6'4 238 pounds front double bicep

(https://img.bnqt.com/CMS/mmajunkie/assets/ufc-155-dos-santos-velasquez-2/junior-dos-santos.jpg)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 10, 2017, 09:19:20 AM
if scott wants to bring his arms up, he needs to put on more weight. he's not gonna get junior dos santos arms staying at the same bodyweight, no matter what exercise he does.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 10, 2017, 09:25:22 AM
So a set of reverse wrist curls will build a broad, thick powerful back?

AJ claimed is was so as the indirect effect as he called it

I was able to add size to my arms at one point by Training them only, but I added nothing to my chest or back

so it didn't work lke that for me

I'd say you need direct stimulation

now watch for that shitstain fat turd mac to post that same dumbass pic of me and never post any of my true muscle shots

he even tries to claim they arent me, what a turd he is lol
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: hench on May 10, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Yea I think training only one body part will help maintain other body parts but not simulate growth.

AJ claimed is was so as the indirect effect as he called it

I was able to add size to my arms at one point by Training them only, but I added nothing to my chest or back

so it didn't work lke that for me

I'd say you need direct stimulation

now watch for that shitstain fat turd mac to post that same dumbass pic of me and never post any of my true muscle shots

he even tries to claim they arent me, what a turd he is lol
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 10, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
yeah make sense.

train biceps to maintain leg size.

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: hench on May 10, 2017, 02:21:14 PM
Haha, good one. I mean upper and lower body separately.
yeah make sense.

train biceps to maintain leg size.


Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 10, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
My friends say that I'm gay because I don't like football. What a bunch of idiots. I'm gay because I like cock.



Another Administrators posting , not from real 1717.

Hey Admin I live in EA time zone & U in the States .
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 10, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
yeah make sense.

train biceps to maintain leg size.



Vince said: "training only arms stimulated my whole upper body", not that this made sense ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 10, 2017, 03:22:51 PM
Vince said: "training only arms stimulated my whole upper body", not that this made sense ::)

Basiles body is affected by sounds vibration of AF jets , old fart lives near military airport (something like AU Area 51  ;))
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 10, 2017, 05:52:50 PM
Vince said: "training only arms stimulated my whole upper body", not that this made sense ::)

Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.

That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 10, 2017, 08:05:53 PM
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.

That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.

This makes more sense. This co-effect would prob be stronger when you train a large body part such as legs or back (higher GH response).
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: The Ugly on May 10, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
My friends say that I'm gay because I don't like football. What a bunch of idiots. I'm gay because I like cock.


What about baseball?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 11, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.

That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.

ah so you are trolling

makes sense now

there is no way any sane person would claim this
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 11, 2017, 12:57:07 AM
This makes more sense. This co-effect would prob be stronger when you train a large body part such as legs or back (higher GH response).

After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be

heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.

I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine

muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.

So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.

Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.

Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.

What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 11, 2017, 01:17:06 AM
how come pro bodybuilders who trained at golds and vince gym got huge and non bodybuilders who train at planet fitness doenst? is that the question?

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 11, 2017, 01:34:35 AM
how come pro bodybuilders who trained at golds and vince gym got huge and non bodybuilders who train at planet fitness doenst? is that the question?



Not quite. What I wonder is how come so few guys get huge. If we don't include hard core gyms we seldom see huge guys. Yet there are perhaps millions

of guys training hard in gyms around the world. If we had a million bodybuilders we would expect some to get huge just as some people are really tall, heavy, smart, etc.

So why don't most trainees get huge? That still is perplexing today. HIT people would say they don't train with enough intensity. What do volume people say?

Sometimes you will see two guys training together and lifting similar weights. One guy is bigger than the other.

It seems there are several factors involved and that makes understanding the lack of huge muscles difficult.

We could speculate that the amount of effort required to go from 17 1/2 inch arms to 18 1/2 inch arms might be many times that required to get to 17 1/2.

Is this the reason most don't get huge? They can't or won't train persistently that hard.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 11, 2017, 01:57:52 AM
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be

heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.

I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine

muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.

So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.

Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.

Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.

What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?



Like you said, multiple factors. I see plenty of gifted guys around me, so that's not the main reason. However, most guys simply don't train hard enough, don't eat enough and don't sleep enough.
Society has changed has well. Hardcore bodybuilding became less popular, but the men's physique class became very popular in a short time span. Just visit a show these days, and you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 11, 2017, 02:19:24 AM
so to sum up

if you want a massive back

just train your biceps every day

 ::)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Surfboard 1717 on May 11, 2017, 02:28:01 AM
Anytime you train effectively to trigger hypertrophy in a body part the muscles adjoinig get stimulated.

That won't trigger hypertrophy but will maintain their size.


I think professional opinion of now old-fat-short  nurse is needed  :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 11, 2017, 08:09:15 AM
Like you said, multiple factors. I see plenty of gifted guys around me, so that's not the main reason. However, most guys simply don't train hard enough, don't eat enough and don't sleep enough.
Society has changed has well. Hardcore bodybuilding became less popular, but the men's physique class became very popular in a short time span. Just visit a show these days, and you know what I mean.

You could be right. Arthur Jones trained the very top bodybuilders like Sergio and what workouts he prescribed for them. Sergio said he was at his peak training with Arthur. When he returned to Chicago

he didn't keep training that way because his gym didn't have those Nautilus machines.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 11, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
You could be right. Arthur Jones trained the very top bodybuilders like Sergio and what workouts he prescribed for them. Sergio said he was at his peak training with Arthur. When he returned to Chicago

he didn't keep training that way because his gym didn't have those Nautilus machines.

you don't mean training with "those machines" you mean more like he wasn't  able to apply that kind of Jonesian intensity

as I said before my torso is blowing up and I will post pics soon to show my outstanding progress

I did this program some years back as prescribed by my friend Dr. JM Blakey and I put on over 4 inches on my torso in 6 weeks time

FACT
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 11, 2017, 09:18:40 AM
you don't mean training with "those machines" you mean more like he wasn't  able to apply that kind of Jonesian intensity

as I said before my torso is blowing up and I will post pics soon to show my outstanding progress

I did this program some years back as prescribed by my friend Dr. JM Blakey and I put on over 4 inches on my torso in 6 weeks time

FACT
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 11, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
^^^^ can't wait to post up th new pics

make you look even worse fatty  ;)

why don't we have a physique comparison?

but you'll never agree to it  coz you know my physique would completely annihilate yours lol


Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 11, 2017, 09:51:20 AM
x

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 11, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
^^^^ can't wait to post up th new pics

make you look even worse fatty  ;)

why don't we have a physique comparison?

but you'll never agree to it  coz you know my physique would completely annihilate yours lol




sorry bra is this one better

you know when you posted your awesome wheels

yes physique comparison is a good idea

first pic us both standing in normal lighting in clothes

a newer version of the pic i keep posting of you cause im guessing you still look like a skinny twink

unless you take a real close up in perfect lighting  ;)

you first
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 11, 2017, 11:29:22 AM
sorry bra is this one better

you know when you posted your awesome wheels

yes physique comparison is a good idea

first pic us both standing in normal lighting in clothes

a newer version of the pic i keep posting of you cause im guessing you still look like a skinny twink

unless you take a real close up in perfect lighting  ;)

you first

mother-fucking-deal!!!

I'll post these pics up front and back, as my back has a V-taper which is TOP NOTCH

pics in 4-6 weeks after I finish this torso blast
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 11, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
FYI I am drug free  8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 11, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
mother-fucking-deal!!!

I'll post these pics up front and back, as my back has a V-taper which is TOP NOTCH

pics in 4-6 weeks after I finish this torso blast

nah you claim to look awesome now chief

and according to you im a fat fuck

throw them up now chief

otherwise we are back to these challenges you keep throwing up for the last five years then disappearing

surely you arent full of shit cuz
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Simple Simon on May 11, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
FYI I am drug free  8)
your pics clearly demonstrate that
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 11, 2017, 12:32:57 PM
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be

heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.

I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine

muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.

So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.

Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.

Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.

What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?




Roids - wo roids like yourself - it was all a mirage.   Fake bs.  nothing to show for anything otherwise. 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 11, 2017, 11:31:52 PM

Roids - wo roids like yourself - it was all a mirage.   Fake bs.  nothing to show for anything otherwise. 


"Look upon my works, ye mortals, and despair!"
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: TheAnimal on May 11, 2017, 11:45:34 PM
After all these years training some things seem obvious. For example, how do we explain why so few get really huge muscles? You would expect there to be

heaps of guys out there in all the gyms blasting away. The reality is that most gyms don't have a single huge guy there.

I know the drugs have changed things re hypertrophy, but when I look back on the old days before drugs were common you seldom saw anyone with a genuine

muscular 18 inch arm. I remember one member who had huge arms. He was over 6 feet tall and they measured 18 1/4 inches cold.

So how come we don't see many huge guys? This is not easy to explain because there are so many factors involved.

Sometimes you get a group of guys who figured out what to do and several of them got huge. We remember Vince's Gym and Golds Gym in the sixties and seventies.

Those of us who had trained long and hard for a decade couldn't believe the size that Larry, Arnold, Sergio, Bill Pearl and Casey V obtained. Enough to make one give up bodybuilding.

What was their secret? Did they all train in a similar way?




They all have anabolic steroids in common.

You are smarter than this...  ::)

Steve Reeves had a nice physique but not big like those you listed
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 12, 2017, 12:00:54 AM
They all have anabolic steroids in common.

You are smarter than this...  ::)

Steve Reeves had a nice physique but not big like those you listed

Yes, but did those mentioned all train the same way? I agree that steroids and other growth drugs have spoiled bodybuilding. Trainees now have no clue about what is responsible for gains.

Back in 1947 there were no steroids. Testosterone was heralded as a wonder drug that enhanced various things for males. Not a single bodybuilder from that era has confessed or even spoken

of testosterone. Dianabol wasn't available until 1958. Weightlifters were the first to experiment with them at York Barbell Team. Dr John Ziegler worked with Ciba to produce Dianabol.

By the early sixties we heard about steroids but no one was fessing up about using them. Guys who knew didn't share that knowledge. By 1970 you pretty much had to use them to win a national

bodybuilding title. I used 2 Dianabol tablets for 6 weeks then a break then for another month before my contest. Good results at first but then almost nothing. Strength did increase a lot.

Today using 2 Dianabol tablets a day wouldn't be enough to get good results. In 1970 Dr Michael Walczak told me I could be a Mr Universe within 6 months under his supervision in LA. Deca-durabolin

was what most big guys were taking. I wasn't interested. There were too many risks about steroids and I didn't think it was worth it. Besides there was Arnold and Sergio and they were both

unbelievable. No point doing stuff to get big when those two were dominating the posing platform.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bosley_Ziegler


Arnold posing at Tony's Gym in Sydney in 1974
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 12:26:43 AM

"Look upon my works, ye mortals, and despair!"
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 12, 2017, 02:26:24 AM
< one of my photoshops. Simple, but effective message  :)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 02:31:44 AM
< one of my photoshops. Simple, but effective message  :)

you do some good work

vince seems to think he is comparable to sergio and steve reeves

doesnt lack confidence
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: avxo on May 12, 2017, 02:32:15 AM
I found that training only arms stimulated my whole upper body.  

It's called masturbation. Everyone does it...
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 12, 2017, 02:38:27 AM
you do some good work

vince seems to think he is comparable to sergio and steve reeves

doesnt lack confidence

thanks. I am no ironmeister, but I get a good idea for a photoshop once in a while.  :)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 12, 2017, 03:45:30 AM
thanks. I am no ironmeister, but I get a good idea for a photoshop once in a while.  :)

Lame efforts as usual.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 03:53:05 AM
vince had the chance to go head to head against me in a debate

but he chose to back out like a coward and instead

begged joon for money to pay to have me attacked

what a cowardly act from the ageing wind bag
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 12, 2017, 04:22:18 AM
vince had the chance to go head to head against me in a debate

but he chose to back out like a coward and instead

begged joon for money to pay to have me attacked

what a cowardly act from the ageing wind bag

What a pity you don't have any idea how dense you are. On the other hand maybe that is a blessing.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 04:28:15 AM
What a pity you don't have any idea how dense you are. On the other hand maybe that is a blessing.

what a pity you are unable to back anything up you claim

what a pity you are afraid of live debate

what a pompous windbag you are
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 12, 2017, 04:35:10 AM
What a pity you don't have any idea how dense you are. On the other hand maybe that is a blessing.


So if you get the Blue Stars will your general attitude towards other members lighten up a bit? 
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 12, 2017, 04:53:11 AM

So if you get the Blue Stars will your general attitude towards other members lighten up a bit? 

 :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 12, 2017, 04:54:21 AM
Basile, do you have a lady friend you are feeding these days? We know you like obese women. What was the name of that fat chick forum you used to post at?
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 12, 2017, 04:57:18 AM
Basile, do you have a lady friend you are feeding these days? We know you like obese women. What was the name of that fat chick forum you used to post at?

Maybe he thought NAMBLA meant   National Academy Morbidly Bloated Ladies Association when he signed up .   :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: BSN on May 12, 2017, 04:58:54 AM


Arnold posing at Tony's Gym in Sydney in 1974

Vince , you modified the picture ? This appears as the original with different mirrors in the background.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Vince B on May 12, 2017, 05:07:06 AM
Vince , you modified the picture ? This appears as the original with different mirrors in the background.

Robert Nailon took the photo. i did a bit of editing to improve the photo. Tony's Gym in less than 2500 sq ft.

Arnold came over to our place later.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 12, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
god damn mobile won't let me post my relaxed starting lat pic

so ill go to cafe and get it up on here

ya all will see what strong genetic and smart training can do

my lats will blow up very nicely in 4 weeks time and y'all will see it occur

OH YEAH!! 1!! 1!!! €
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 12, 2017, 07:23:48 AM
I got an idea, Vince.

You should recruit 100 young, untrained lads who are willing to go through your bodybuilding protocol.

Let's see how many of these kangaroo kebabs you can turn into Steve Reeves or Larry Scott.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
god damn mobile won't let me post my relaxed starting lat pic

so ill go to cafe and get it up on here

ya all will see what strong genetic and smart training can do

my lats will blow up very nicely in 4 weeks time and y'all will see it occur

OH YEAH!! 1!! 1!!! €

make sure your face is in the pic chief
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 12, 2017, 09:08:08 AM
starting lat pics don't look to bad honestly

very, very good V-taper even now, but..... it will get even better

4 weeks, BABY!!!! 4 mo-fo weeks  ;)

GERMAN/WASP genetics ftmfw!!!!!!

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 12, 2017, 09:13:13 AM
ya ain't gonna be let down in 4 weeks time  8)

YES, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.... FACT

Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
starting lat pics don't look to bad honestly

very, very good V-taper even now, but..... it will get even better

4 weeks, BABY!!!! 4 mo-fo weeks  ;)

GERMAN/WASP genetics ftmfw!!!!!!



why wont you show your face
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 12, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
why wont you show your face

coz I'm sick of hearing shit about it

btw, I may throw my wheels into this size blast,  but quite honestly I still wanna make sure that I can fit into my stylish  amd coolass black skinny jeans  8)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2017, 12:28:27 PM
coz I'm sick of hearing shit about it

btw, I may throw my wheels into this size blast,  but quite honestly I still wanna make sure that I can fit into my stylish  amd coolass black skinny jeans  8)

so you accept you are hideous to behold

its a good start

you look like a famine victim

put on some weight chief
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 12, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
coz I'm sick of hearing shit about it

btw, I may throw my wheels into this size blast,  but quite honestly I still wanna make sure that I can fit into my stylish  amd coolass black skinny jeans  8)

You never had 'wheels' , yours are 'tooth sticks'
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on May 12, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
Chick I used to know called Qtips 'ear sticks.'  Dutchies.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 12, 2017, 08:14:06 PM
Chick I used to know called Qtips 'ear sticks.'  Dutchies.

Dumb bitch, one should never put those sticks into the ears.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Skeletor on May 12, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
Chick I used to know called Qtips 'ear sticks.'  Dutchies.

Don't be so hard on him, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1E0C8842.jpg)
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: pellius on May 12, 2017, 11:49:40 PM
starting lat pics don't look to bad honestly

very, very good V-taper even now, but..... it will get even better

4 weeks, BABY!!!! 4 mo-fo weeks  ;)

GERMAN/WASP genetics ftmfw!!!!!!



Why are you wearing a tank top? If you are going to show your back then show your back. Show them. Show them the whole thing.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: ratherbebig on May 13, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
show them

lets get nasty

NASTY!!
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: OLKE_TEXAS on May 13, 2017, 01:27:03 AM
Dumb bitch, one should never put those sticks into the ears.

2x not smart. Wil cloge the ears.
Better use toothbrush or sharp pencil.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 13, 2017, 03:24:17 AM
Why are you wearing a tank top? If you are going to show your back then show your back. Show them. Show them the whole thing.

that's a sting tank brosef, and it shows nearly all of my upper back and lats which is what I'm focusing upon

you will see VERY GOOD AND STRONG PROGRESS in 4 weeks

guaran-goddamn-teed

and tape, you're a good dude and very funny to boot, a tip of the hat to you sir
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: dj181 on May 13, 2017, 03:32:38 AM
Vincent is all talk, but I will show/do/prove it 8)

FYI,  this will all occur within a drug free environment
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on May 13, 2017, 03:47:04 AM
Dumb bitch, one should never put those sticks into the ears.

I wasn't with her for her acumen.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 13, 2017, 08:51:12 AM
x
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: bigmc on May 13, 2017, 09:17:24 AM
that's a sting tank brosef, and it shows nearly all of my upper back and lats which is what I'm focusing upon

you will see VERY GOOD AND STRONG PROGRESS in 4 weeks

guaran-goddamn-teed

and tape, you're a good dude and very funny to boot, a tip of the hat to you sir

you look like shit
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 13, 2017, 10:04:11 AM
you look like shit

hope this helps
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: TheAnimal on May 13, 2017, 03:12:40 PM
x
;D
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: Tapeworm on May 13, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
and tape, you're a good dude and very funny to boot, a tip of the hat to you sir

I'm a legend in my own mind.
Title: Re: Blue Stars and DOMS.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 20, 2017, 06:06:11 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2hxo80n.jpg)