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Title: Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
...and it begins:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 08, 2020, 08:15:54 AM
And when she drops dead they'll say it wasn't the vaccine but pre-existing conditions, lol
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: loco on December 08, 2020, 08:17:13 AM
Only mild side effect

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Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:28:22 AM
Only mild side effect

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/LuWzue7DdWbNm/giphy.gif)

The 91-year-old woman in the video may not get immunity to COVID...but on the plus side, Pfizer has been granted immunity to any liability or injury caused by the vaccine.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 08, 2020, 08:35:11 AM
If there are side effects, you will never know it by giving it to a country of inbred snaggletooth mum loving pooftahs.   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:49:12 AM
If there are side effects, you will never know it by giving it to a country of inbred snaggletooth mum loving pooftahs.

India?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:52:04 AM
If there are side effects, you will never know it by giving it to a country of inbred snaggletooth mum loving pooftahs.

LOL!  I missed this.  As I understand it, poofter is a derogatory term in the UK [or...outdated, at the least].

Does anyone know if the term bender is an "acceptable" word to describe a homosexual in UK parlance, or is that also unacceptable or outdated?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 08, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
LOL!  I missed this.  As I understand it, poofter is a derogatory term in the UK [or...outdated, at the least].

Does anyone know if the term bender is an "acceptable" word to describe a homosexual in UK parlance, or is that also unacceptable or outdated?

Unacceptable to whom? Snowflakes? Speak your mind Matt - fuck this politically correct bullshit. And nothing is outdated if you resurrect it.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Rascal full on December 08, 2020, 09:02:07 AM
LOL!  I missed this.  As I understand it, poofter is a derogatory term in the UK [or...outdated, at the least].

Does anyone know if the term bender is an "acceptable" word to describe a homosexual in UK parlance, or is that also unacceptable or outdated?

Haha we call them benders here still whether they like it or not. Used to call them queer (unts but they revel in calling themselves queers now so other names are in use.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 09:09:07 AM
Unacceptable to whom? Snowflakes? Speak your mind Matt - fuck this politically correct bullshit. And nothing is outdated if you resurrect it.

In 2009, a homosexual "journalist" working for the student university newspaper reported on a lecture given by some bitter, fake-oppressed homosexual professor with a Ph.D in education [what an intellectual giant!].  The byline [written by this poofter journaleftist] said something like "Poofter Ph.D Gives Lecture on Rampant Oppression of Homosexuals in North America."

I was like "So...in North America, "oppressing gays" amounts to promoting them to Ph.D professorial positions, but in Iran, oppressing gays means executing them."

Interesting disparity in standards.  And oddly enough, gays say nothing about the latter standard.  ::)

The gay professor got so offended that the entire next issue of the university newspaper was dedicated to gay issues, with him as the focal point.  In the article, he went on a tirade about how straight men are rotten, and ended by saying that bigotry was wrong.  ::)  That same month, a gay man who was the highlight of an alleged hate crime against homosexuals was actually CHARGED for instigating the violence himself.  The university newspaper said NOTHING about that, while pushing their false narrative about anti-gay "oppression" in Northern Ontario.  That makes about as much sense as anything the left does.

These same "anti-bigotry" bigots treat White straight males like this:



^ This is why I will NEVER support political correctness.  As if I want a bunch of straight White male-hating as*holes to lecture ME about bigotry.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 09:11:38 AM
Haha we call them benders here still whether they like it or not. Used to call them queer (unts but they revel in calling themselves queers now so other names are in use.

So you can smoke a fag, or even bum a fag in the UK, but using the term "bender" is considered oppression by the Woke Mob?  Makes about as much sense as anything they stand for.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 09:25:55 AM
So you can smoke a fag, or even bum a fag in the UK, but using the term "bender" is considered oppression by the Woke Mob?  Makes about as much sense as anything they stand for.

What he is saying Matt is that in the Middle East they would throw you off a roof.

Here in Chicago we call phaggots “cannings” instead of benders, I’m not sure what the genesis of the word is though.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 08, 2020, 09:30:50 AM
In 2009, a homosexual "journalist" working for the student university newspaper reported

You should have stopped right there. Those newspapers are nothing more than leftists in training journalism internships, lol
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: fredrollon on December 08, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
90 year old patient on her last legs ,anyway? No big deal.

It will be interesting ,if and when they give it to children and young healthy adults ,though, and if and when a vaccine is approved in other countries.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: joswift on December 08, 2020, 10:05:08 AM
And when she drops dead they'll say it wasn't the vaccine but pre-existing conditions, lol

They will then start saying "with covid" and not "from covid" and expose the lie they have been living since March
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: joswift on December 08, 2020, 10:07:05 AM
90 year old patient on her last legs ,anyway? No big deal.

It will be interesting ,if and when they give it to children and young healthy adults ,though, and if and when a vaccine is approved in other countries.

there are allegations of sterility in some people from the trials..
https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/coronavirus-may-cause-male-infertility-by-harming-the-testicular-cells-claims-study/articleshow/78783608.cms
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: King Shizzo on December 08, 2020, 10:29:25 AM
What he is saying Matt is that in the Middle East they would throw you off a roof.

Here in Chicago we call phaggots “cannings” instead of benders, I’m not sure what the genesis of the word is though.
You always seem so angry. Are there things?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: the_doc on December 08, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
there are allegations of sterility in some people from the trials..
https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/coronavirus-may-cause-male-infertility-by-harming-the-testicular-cells-claims-study/articleshow/78783608.cms

No there are not. That article is about the coronavirus infection and NOTHING to do with trials or vaccines.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 08, 2020, 12:12:02 PM
90 year old patient on her last legs ,anyway? No big deal.

It will be interesting ,if and when they give it to children and young healthy adults ,though, and if and when a vaccine is approved in other countries.

They've said it won't by given to healthy children.

Also I think they'd prefer it if most healthy adults under 50 catch the virus and develop natural (t-cell) immunity and not immunity through vaccinations, so it will be a long time before they are offered it.

 It's very likely that a vaccine resistant strain of the virus will emerge and most of those who were vaccinated will be susceptible to the new virus. Those with naturally developed immunity will still be immune and can basically act like a buffer against future spreads of new strains.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: tommywishbone on December 08, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
 Another Bruce Jenner style hero.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Taffin on December 08, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
Another Bruce Jenner style hero.


Waitaminute - you're saying Nana is a tranny?!!?  :o  They didn't mention that on the news


#so_brave
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 01:05:02 PM
What he is saying Matt is that in the Middle East they would throw you off a roof.

Here in Chicago we call phaggots “cannings” instead of benders, I’m not sure what the genesis of the word is though.

At that rate, the Woke Mob will eventually demand that I change my last name, or charge me with a hate crime if I don't.

Where I live, there was a champion squash player named Rob Nigro [pronounced knee-grow].

I wonder how many people he triggered for stating his name.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 08, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
The 91-year-old woman in the video may not get immunity to COVID...but on the plus side, Pfizer has been granted immunity to any liability or injury caused by the vaccine.

I read somewhere that the EU has said 'no' to protection from lawsuits?

Anyone know about the claims of HCG "contamination" of vaccines in Africa (may have been India too)? Was that claim verified?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 01:31:05 PM
You always seem so angry. Are there things?

Fuck off Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man, the adults are talking.

Post some photos of your sister’s naked funbags, you fat drunk whale turd.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 08, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
there are allegations of sterility in some people from the trials..
https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/coronavirus-may-cause-male-infertility-by-harming-the-testicular-cells-claims-study/articleshow/78783608.cms
On a positive note, most young people getting it will be libtard soy boys and Karen's so sterilization is a good thing.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: joswift on December 08, 2020, 01:37:11 PM
No there are not. That article is about the coronavirus infection and NOTHING to do with trials or vaccines.

Watch this at 1min 40 onwards

Its not just what he says, its the interviewers reaction to it like he was goi9ng to challenge him then someone shouted in his earpiece to let it go.
Any respectable journalist would have asked him to clarify what he meant
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 03:22:24 PM
I read somewhere that the EU has said 'no' to protection from lawsuits?

Anyone know about the claims of HCG "contamination" of vaccines in Africa (may have been India too)? Was that claim verified?

Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:



So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 08, 2020, 03:29:13 PM
And when she drops dead they'll say it wasn't the vaccine but pre-existing conditions, lol

Well, she's not risking much by getting the vaccine. At 90 years old, her projected remaining lifetime is not that long. The second person who got the vaccine is in his 80's. People this old have a worse survival rate should they get sick with Covid-19. At 76 years of age, I am following this situation closely.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 08, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
I read somewhere that the EU has said 'no' to protection from lawsuits?

Anyone know about the claims of HCG "contamination" of vaccines in Africa (may have been India too)? Was that claim verified?

I posted that in a different thread. The US and UK agreed to give protection against lawsuits. The EU said no.

It was assumed the EU saying no would mean they'd be charged inflated prices for the vaccine and have lower priority in receiving them. Both cases turned out to be wrong. They ended up still having the same priority as the US and UK and at the same cost.

It's a pretty safe bet that the US and UK are in the pockets of big pharma.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: ThisisOverload on December 08, 2020, 04:47:03 PM
It's a pretty safe bet that the US and UK are in the pockets of big pharma.

That's a pretty safe bet.

Aren't we the only country who has TV commercials for big pharma products? I thought i heard that a while back.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Dave D on December 08, 2020, 05:15:27 PM
Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:



So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

Matt this is an interesting post that I haven’t read but in regards to the starving people living off of $2 a day maybe we can send them to the Goodrum Group for some financial advice so they can cut the monthly food bill in half?

I’m tired of not reading about these poors living it up.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
Matt this is an interesting post that I haven’t read but in regards to the starving people living off of $2 a day maybe we can send them to the Goodrum Group for some financial advice so they can cut the monthly food bill in half?

I’m tired of not reading about these poors living it up.

 ;D ;D ;D

Hahahaha!!!  I'm working on a compromise where I highlight in bold the 7 sentences per 100 sentences per post I make that are actually relevant to the thread, so that no one accidentally gets roped in to reading any of my posts.  :D

But yes, that is a great idea...where do I go to invest my lifesavings in The Goodrum Group?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Moontrane on December 08, 2020, 05:38:05 PM
But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

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Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

Good question...I can't do much but speculate there, but something like seven companies were working on a vaccine, from what I recall.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Dave D on December 08, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
;D ;D ;D

Hahahaha!!!  I'm working on a compromise where I highlight in bold the 7 sentences per 100 sentences per post I make that are actually relevant to the thread, so that no one accidentally gets roped in to reading any of my posts.  :D

But yes, that is a great idea...where do I go to invest my lifesavings in The Goodrum Group?
;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 08, 2020, 06:27:19 PM
But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?


It was developed in Germany by a couple of Turks.

The Oxford vaccine will end up going to most of the 3rd world.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:



So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

Jesus fucking Christ, have you never heard the word concise, you spastic turd?

NOTHING you have to say, or NO opinion you have is worth more than 50 words.

Fix your shit you Aspy fuck, you’re posts are becoming Shizzo-like in their suckage.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 08, 2020, 07:18:53 PM


Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine. 

I wondered about the HCG contamination specifically because that would indicate the vaccine was a cover for making people in poor countries sterile, so the conspiracy theory goes. Bill Gates has talked about reducing total world population, and that would go well with climate change agenda. Less people, less pollution among other "benefits".
And that video joswift posted is quite curious. What's going on there? Would an expert use the word sterile in this context, or can it be a technically correct usage? The interviewers reaction is suspicioys as well.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Jesus fucking Christ, have you never heard the word concise, you spastic turd?

NOTHING you have to say, or NO opinion you have is worth more than 50 words.

Fix your shit you Aspy fuck, you’re posts are becoming Shizzo-like in their suckage.

SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST, AND IGNORE ALL OF THIS:

Shizzo made a comment about how we're selfish for not wearing a mask, and putting others at risk, not grasping that we're causing more damage fighting COVID than the virus itself is causing.

His post was so annoying that I was like "I'll never read another one of his posts again."

But since his posts are so small, I end up reading them anyway.

I have been considering shortening my online posts for about four years now.  There's something to be said about saying more with less.  But I was considering that long before anyone ever mentioned it to me.

Do you think that spewing insults at people is going to change their behaviour?  I can assure you, Walter - you are the LAST PERSON I am considering reducing my posts for as a courtesy, and it's specifically because you are being such an asshole about it, when I have never in my life engaged with you rudely or with disrespect.  If you made a rude comment or a ribbing here or there, whatever, but just the sheer level to which get angry makes me wish the Simple Machines forum software had a block feature.

I'm closing down my bodybuilding YouTube channels to devote the rest of my life to another topic online, but I acquired over 200 million views over the past 10 years, reaching an audience of over 200,000 daily at its peak.

So whether you want to admit it or not, and for whatever the reason may be, I am able to maintain an audience when I write or speak.

You're right that I type a lot, but you are wrong to state that my posts are devoid of quality.

A specific question about vaccine contamination in India was asked, and I went into considerable detail because I had researched the topic in-depth, and had some knowledge about it.  I wasn't just going on randomly about something - I was speaking about allegations regarding Bill Gates experimenting with vaccines on poor children in India - something which gained some traction online as a "conspiracy theory", but which I don't think is outside of the realm of possibility [and I explained my reason for thinking that].

My suggestion to you is to just read the posts you like, and ignore the posts you don't.

I would even say that my long posts are better for the people who don't like what I write, because they are easy to identify.  You could just look at it and say "Oh - another Matt post...I'll skip that."

I'm just trying to think of what practical reason you have to be so upset about my long posts.  The only thing I could think of is that your phone battery power is limited, and that long posts requiring you to scroll more causes your battery to drain faster, or end up costing you more in data.  In that case, I would actually feel badly about it.

But as of now, my only thought is "Why doesn't he just scroll past my posts?"

I mean, we're talking about split seconds here.

I'm just thinking...when does scrolling annoy me?  And it's usually in cases where I'm reading YouTube comments that can slow down your computer after a while, or where you are reading a comment and scroll, and can't find the spot where you were just reading because of how many comments there are.

I'm sitting here with a pensive look on my face right now, contemplating this...

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't understand why you don't just scroll over my posts, lol.

tl;dr:

Consider not reading my posts?  ???
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
The Era of FuckBoi Vaccines.

Moderna, Pfizer decline WHO invitation for COVID-19 "vaccine summit"

Of course they don't want to talk about the long side effects which they don't know of their fuckboi vaccines.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:01:52 PM
Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.

Well...is doing that really so hard?

I'm just not understanding the nature of your problem.
 
I remember the early days of smartphones...one day someone replied to a PM and said "Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I didn't want to write a book on my phone."

So I realized that writing - and yes, reading - online is different than on a computer.  And if my long posts are causing your phone battery to drain, I can get why you're annoyed.

Nothing you're saying to me is making me want to reduce my post size for your benefit.  Obviously, YES, I am considering the Getbig community when I post...but my concerns when I post are [1] good spelling and grammar, [2] being on-topic and appropriate, [3] keeping profanity to a minimum, or not using it at all, [4] not hijacking the threads of others, [5] giving warnings for NSFW material, [6] not attacking other members personally, [7] not bringing people's family members into discussions, etc.

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't see an issue with long posts on a public forum that people can just ignore.

When it comes to text messages and private messages, I DO keep them short...but IMO, that is more akin to following a person's rules while you are a guest in their home.

IMO, Getbig is more akin to being at a mall.  If Ron or any of the moderators INSISTED I reduce my post size...I would either do it, or stop posting here.

Believe me when I say this...even though your posts are so dick, I try to take from everything I read, and so far - I am still reading your posts, even though they are way too dick.  But I guess I just don't even understand why you seem so angry - almost enraged, even - at my long posts, when you could just be ignoring them.

Any answer, feel free to share.  Just keep your reply to under 100 words.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 08, 2020, 08:22:08 PM
I wondered about the HCG contamination specifically because that would indicate the vaccine was a cover for making people in poor countries sterile, so the conspiracy theory goes. Bill Gates has talked about reducing total world population, and that would go well with climate change agenda. Less people, less pollution among other "benefits".
And that video joswift posted is quite curious. What's going on there? Would an expert use the word sterile in this context, or can it be a technically correct usage? The interviewers reaction is suspicioys as well.

You've given me some pause for thought...and while I enjoy learning, some of the possibilities regarding what you are talking about is rather depressing.  Just to think that we're possibly at a time where global elites are conspiring to drastically reduce the world population...that's not some insignificant agenda or anything.  I guess you could say that I think that's "kind of a big deal."

I'm pushing 40 now, and all things considered, things are going fairly well for me right now other than COVID.  But to say "other than COVID" is almost to say "Other than the fact that the regional communist party is slated to win the upcoming national election."

This is, without any doubt, the most unstable, and politically/economically and socially volatile year I have ever lived.  I was never much concerned about the virus itself, and only started reading about it in-depth in August.  Within the span of an afternoon, whatever COVID concerns I had were gone like a fart in the wind - especially with rafts of literal The Onion-like articles about COVID being churned out day after day:

"Covid-19 Now Discovered to Attach to Farts in the Wind and Travel Up to 75 Metres"

I was like...yeah, I'm going to stop being worried about this virus now...not like I ever was.

And I'm glad you brought up the video joswift posted, because I was wondering the same thing...is it possible that the term sterilize is being used in another context?  YouTube is doing a fantastic job scrubbing COVID skeptic videos off the site, so it makes it hard to even find analysis about this...nothing suspect about that or anything.  ::)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 08, 2020, 08:30:58 PM
Oh fuck, another verbose post by the Thunder Bay retard, I’ll skip past that mindless drivel.

If Matt and Marty were going to have a debate, what 3 subjects would you like them to tackle?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Moontrane on December 08, 2020, 08:33:44 PM
The Era of FuckBoi Vaccines.

Moderna, Pfizer decline WHO invitation for COVID-19 "vaccine summit"

Of course they don't want to talk about the long side effects which they don't know of their fuckboi vaccines.

Ten years from now:

“If you received the 2021 COVID-19 vaccine, you may be entitled to compensation.”

 :D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 08:49:18 PM
If Matt and Marty were going to have a debate, what 3 subjects would you like them to tackle?

Marty’s superior strength and genetics.

Marty’s superior intellect.

Spastic Matt’s inability to interact with people and his childish temper tantrums.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 08, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
Well...is doing that really so hard?

I'm just not understanding the nature of your problem.
 
I remember the early days of smartphones...one day someone replied to a PM and said "Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I didn't want to write a book on my phone."

So I realized that writing - and yes, reading - online is different than on a computer.  And if my long posts are causing your phone battery to drain, I can get why you're annoyed.

Nothing you're saying to me is making me want to reduce my post size for your benefit.  Obviously, YES, I am considering the Getbig community when I post...but my concerns when I post are [1] good spelling and grammar, [2] being on-topic and appropriate, [3] keeping profanity to a minimum, or not using it at all, [4] not hijacking the threads of others, [5] giving warnings for NSFW material, [6] not attacking other members personally, [7] not bringing people's family members into discussions, etc.

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't see an issue with long posts on a public forum that people can just ignore.

When it comes to text messages and private messages, I DO keep them short...but IMO, that is more akin to following a person's rules while you are a guest in their home.

IMO, Getbig is more akin to being at a mall.  If Ron or any of the moderators INSISTED I reduce my post size...I would either do it, or stop posting here.

Believe me when I say this...even though your posts are so dick, I try to take from everything I read, and so far - I am still reading your posts, even though they are way too dick.  But I guess I just don't even understand why you seem so angry - almost enraged, even - at my long posts, when you could just be ignoring them.

Any answer, feel free to share.  Just keep your reply to under 100 words.

Spastic Matt, at what point does your minimal self-awareness kick in and you finally realize no one on Getbig gives a flying fuck what you think, or what your Ritalin-driven opinion is on any subject?

Why don’t you scroll past the G&O or ask Ron to create a sub-forum for the blissfully stupid and unaware?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 08, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
18 months minimum - 9 years maximum for vaccines and we are supposed to believe 100% in 6-8 month toilet bowl cleaners.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: the_doc on December 09, 2020, 12:49:24 AM
Watch this at 1min 40 onwards

Its not just what he says, its the interviewers reaction to it like he was goi9ng to challenge him then someone shouted in his earpiece to let it go.
Any respectable journalist would have asked him to clarify what he meant


The Doctor is referring to sterilising immunity, Sterilizing immunity means that the immune system is able to stop the  viruses, from replicating within your body.

It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation. He should have used simpler language as I can see how it feeds to CT nuts and anyone else just wanting to be a dickhead on the internet.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 12:50:37 AM
Well, she's not risking much by getting the vaccine. At 90 years old, her projected remaining lifetime is not that long. The second person who got the vaccine is in his 80's. People this old have a worse survival rate should they get sick with Covid-19. At 76 years of age, I am following this situation closely.

You will live to over 90.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 09, 2020, 03:19:42 AM
The Doctor is referring to sterilising immunity, Sterilizing immunity means that the immune system is able to stop the  viruses, from replicating within your body.

It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation. He should have used simpler language as I can see how it feeds to CT nuts and anyone else just wanting to be a dickhead on the internet.

Well, if you're a doc I might have to take your word for it, since I don't know either way. You'd think he wouldn't have misspoken on a topic like this and did use the correct terminology. Though it's possible even the interviewer was taken aback due to his reaction.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 09, 2020, 04:28:51 AM
FockBoi Vaccine!  How about 18 months of trails to sort out these FockBoi outcomes?

LONDON (AP) — U.K. regulators said Wednesday that people who have a “significant history’’ of allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine while they investigate two adverse reactions that occurred on the first day of the country’s mass vaccination program.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: the_doc on December 09, 2020, 06:18:06 AM
Well, if you're a doc I might have to take your word for it, since I don't know either way. You'd think he wouldn't have misspoken on a topic like this and did use the correct terminology. Though it's possible even the interviewer was taken aback due to his reaction.

Agree he should have used clearer language, not sure if that’s why interviewer was taken aback as he seemed to have interrupted early because he thought the Doctor had finished his answer. Either way there is no hidden agenda to poison wombs or grow extra limbs!
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 09, 2020, 08:11:35 AM
If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.

😆
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Kwon on December 09, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
Doctor Spectrum!


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/4a/48/174a48a726d86e45abecb03faf6133e6.jpg)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 09, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
Doctor Spectrum!


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/4a/48/174a48a726d86e45abecb03faf6133e6.jpg)

🤣
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 09, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

(https://i.gifer.com/72XG.gif)

Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 12:58:28 PM
Agree he should have used clearer language, not sure if that’s why interviewer was taken aback as he seemed to have interrupted early because he thought the Doctor had finished his answer. Either way there is no hidden agenda to poison wombs or grow extra limbs!

Global economic damage due to COVID currently exceeds $10 trillion.

The 2,604 global billionaires have currently increased their total net wealth by over $1 trillion, bringing their total net wealth [ironically] to over $10 trillion combined.

All for a virus that 1,000 Americans under the age of 40 have died from out of a population of over 180,000,000 in that age range.  A virus that kills people who are, on average, 84.8 years old with 2-3 underlying health issues, who are statistically five feet in the grave already, and within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway.

^ That's the conspiracy.  Not that some rushed vaccine will sterilize all of us.  Although I have no doubt that the vaccine itself will cause problems too...why else would Pfizer insist on liability protection for it?  It's sad to me that ridiculous far-fetched conspiracy theories make people ignore what is happening directly in front of them.

Although if you read any comments online, no one is buying it.  LMAO, check the Like to Dislike ratio here, and read the comments, haha...how long can people stay living in fear?:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html

I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 09, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine. I would think most of the anti-vaxxers are on the Trump side, as opposed to the Biden/leftist side.
Trump loves the drugs, he praised the experimental Regeneron. On the other hand, Trump just signed a new anti-doping law the other day. Booo...
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine. I would think most of the anti-vaxxers are on the Trump side, as opposed to the Biden/leftist side.
Trump loves the drugs, he praised the experimental Regeneron. On the other hand, Trump just signed a new anti-doping law the other day. Booo...

Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Moontrane on December 09, 2020, 02:31:21 PM
Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html

And that's my point: The rest of the world benefits from our big pharma.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 09, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.

Now see Matty Aspy, was that really all that difficult to stay under 3,000 words?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 09, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.
Interesting, I had not heard that before.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 09, 2020, 02:50:03 PM
FockBoi Vaccine!  How about 18 months of trails to sort out these FockBoi outcomes?

LONDON (AP) — U.K. regulators said Wednesday that people who have a “significant history’’ of allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine while they investigate two adverse reactions that occurred on the first day of the country’s mass vaccination program.

All vacancies can cause allergic reactions in susceptible people.

But this is proof that they are still "testing" the vaccine on those going in for them now. Why would they think it would be a good idea to vaccinate 2 people who need to carry epi pens.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 09, 2020, 03:03:14 PM
Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.

Trump looks extremely pro-vaccine to me. He talks about it all the time in glowing terms.

Anti-vaxxer is a pejorative term. I'm not really talking about intelligent people who have reservations about these rushed Covid vaccines, or people who remember what happened with the swine flu vaccine. The anti-vaxxers are people who know nothing but think they know everything. They know this vaccine contains microships, that the purpose is sterlilization, mind control, genocide or whatever. They have zero knowledge of medicine or biology but speak authoritatively on the net. These are the same people who know "natural" is better than "synthetic" when it comes to food, without understanding what those terms even mean.

A lot if these people believe Trump is fighting the deep state. So I wonder how they feel about Trump promoting this Satanic, deep state, globalist microchip vaccine?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.

LOL...the thought had crossed my mind.  I'm reminded of this:



But on a serious note..."This vaccine just seems too rushed." <--- I get that this is conspiracy level thinking.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 09, 2020, 04:15:12 PM
I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.

Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on. 
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
Now see Matty Aspy, was that really all that difficult to stay under 3,000 words?

I laughed at first when you read then, then became stone cold serious and thought to myself "...yes."

 :-\

I intend on giving it a shot.  I have some ideas...I might just start posting on Getbig from a smartphone, which will reduce my post sizes by at least 50%, since it's harder to type fast on virtual smartphone keypads.

And I'm going to adjust a tiny bit...sometimes I do think large posts are necessary.  Not sure if you read joswift's post in one of the COVID threads which was a "conspiracy theory", but was very long and interesting to read.  Read it if you have 10 minutes.

I do think there is a time and a place for long posts.  It's a refining process to determine when that is, and I think COVID is an important issue that merits long posts [at least, some].
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2020, 04:20:20 PM
Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on.

Hey - ain't nobody in the world who can count from a 6-deck shoe!

If you don't mind my asking...was your cousin generally healthy, or did he have any underlying issues?

To be clear, I believe COVID is a real virus, and real people are dying from it, and some of those people [6%] are dying directly from it.  And some of that 6% are even young people.  I'm just saying it's nowhere near the big plague originally thought to be.  Hence asking about your cousin's health status.  Don't answer if it's too private, I'm just wondering.

My dad worked with one of the two people in town he died.  He was in his mid-fifties and had cancer [in remission].  The other person was a woman, and was elderly [I believe over 80].
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 09, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
Hey - ain't nobody in the world who can count from a 6-deck shoe!

If you don't mind my asking...was your cousin generally healthy, or did he have any underlying issues?

To be clear, I believe COVID is a real virus, and real people are dying from it, and some of those people [6%] are dying directly from it.  And some of that 6% are even young people.  I'm just saying it's nowhere near the big plague originally thought to be.  Hence asking about your cousin's health status.  Don't answer if it's too private, I'm just wondering.

My dad worked with one of the two people in town he died.  He was in his mid-fifties and had cancer [in remission].  The other person was a woman, and was elderly [I believe over 80].

It's cool.  My cousin was only 52.  Perhaps a couple pounds overweight but not Goodrumesque.  What made it worse was that his mom was still alive (my aunt had been in poor health for over 5 years).  She never got to see him, hold him, say goodbye, nothing.  It happened so fast.  He didn't know he had it.  He stroked out the night before Easter and was taken off life support on the day after.  He got those dreaded covid blood clots that I'm sure you've read about.  We finally got to give him his funeral mass in October.  His mom passed away 17 days later.  She seemingly willed herself on long enough to see him given his respectful, proper send off.  Not looking for a pity party, but it's been a rough year.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 09, 2020, 06:27:23 PM
Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on.

What is the source of the 2% mortality rate you quote?

Published figures for the Crude Mortality Rate is 0.28% which is an order of magnitude less than the figure you’re quoting.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 09, 2020, 06:30:14 PM
I laughed at first when you read then, then became stone cold serious and thought to myself "...yes."

 :-\

I intend on giving it a shot.  I have some ideas...I might just start posting on Getbig from a smartphone, which will reduce my post sizes by at least 50%, since it's harder to type fast on virtual smartphone keypads.

And I'm going to adjust a tiny bit...sometimes I do think large posts are necessary.  Not sure if you read joswift's post in one of the COVID threads which was a "conspiracy theory", but was very long and interesting to read.  Read it if you have 10 minutes.

I do think there is a time and a place for long posts.  It's a refining process to determine when that is, and I think COVID is an important issue that merits long posts [at least, some].

Don’t tell me what to do, you paint chip eating twink.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 09, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
But on a serious note..."This vaccine just seems too rushed." <--- I get that this is conspiracy level thinking.

It is rare when I agree with what you post. This is one of those rare moments. The vaccines do seem rushed. Maybe, that is because they has the potential to save a lot of lives, but that doesn't put my mind completely at ease. I will think long and hard about if and when I will get the vaccine.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 09, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine.

boom... trump wants to bring the pain – at warp speed

Trump will b the one who pounds the final nail into the heart of humanity... no coffin required

the dumb dumbs r so caught up in a soap opera, they r completely blind to reality.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 02:12:56 AM
It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation.

'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/ (https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes)

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 02:18:01 AM
It's cool.  My cousin was only 52.  Perhaps a couple pounds overweight but not Goodrumesque.  What made it worse was that his mom was still alive (my aunt had been in poor health for over 5 years).  She never got to see him, hold him, say goodbye, nothing.  It happened so fast.  He didn't know he had it.  He stroked out the night before Easter and was taken off life support on the day after.  He got those dreaded covid blood clots that I'm sure you've read about.  We finally got to give him his funeral mass in October.  His mom passed away 17 days later.  She seemingly willed herself on long enough to see him given his respectful, proper send off.  Not looking for a pity party, but it's been a rough year.

That's sad.  52 is not old - given the increases to the human lifespan, I could almost say that 52 is young.  Especially being in shape at 52.  Nothing elderly about that.  Sounds like your cousin was not necessarily in shape, but not hugely out of shape.

I don't know though...maybe when all is said and done, we'll find that COVID, while not particularly deadly, is slightly worse than the flu, and poses more risk to younger people than the flu.  On the flip side, among people 65-80, the flu kills more people as far as I can tell.

So it's kind of odd...COVID is VERY geriatric, in terms of who it targets...but there are some young people who have died, who normally don't die from the normal influenza.

Last question:

Is there ANY chance that your cousin died of COVID due to death certificate fraud, or had an underlying illness he wasn't aware of?

Because just some relatively healthy, slightly overweight 52-year-old...for perspective, in Canada, only 297 Canadians under 60 have died of COVID as of 2020-09-23, with around ~29,700,000 people in that age demographic [rounded up, just to make the numbers easy to calculate].

That means that 99.999% of people under 60 last year did not die of COVID by September 23rd of this year.

That's 1 in 100,000.

I mean...was your cousin really so unhealthy that he would be that one out of 100,000?

It just seems fishy suspicious to me.

Had your cousin been 72, I would have found it more believable.  And I'm not calling you a liar...just wondering if maybe there were more health concerns or underlying issues he may have had.  I don't think you would have any reason to lie about your own cousin.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 10, 2020, 04:09:26 AM
This guy lived right by me, a friend of my friend.
Chrome translate on the news story. The ventialtor lacked tubes so he died when they moved him. My friend is pissed.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 10, 2020, 04:35:41 AM
Fucboi Leaders, Pharmas, Scientists and Vaccines.  Did anyone notice there are no influenza deaths this year?  Fucboi outta here!  You can make this stuff up.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: loco on December 10, 2020, 06:38:06 AM
The FDA says Pfizer’s Covid vaccine is safe and effective. But trial participants warn of intense symptoms after second shot

Trial participants in the Moderna and Pfizer studies told CNBC they developed more significant symptoms following the second dose.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccine-side-effects-trials.html
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: the_doc on December 10, 2020, 06:46:46 AM
'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/ (https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes)

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 07:02:31 AM
If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer.

ain't no beer in hell, homie.... good luck   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 10, 2020, 08:40:37 AM
No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

You seem to be going out on quite a limb making these claims for a vaccine that has been in development less than a year. There has never been any drug or vaccine developed that has zero side effects. None. It often takes widespread usage and a few years to find out how bad they are. You'll assume we all forgot your posts and are only here to try and get a short term ego boost.

I like lighter beers - any German Hefeweizen will do as long at its draft. And brewed in Munich.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 08:58:07 AM
also (if them links dont work, copy/paste into address bar):

how did hiv find its way into the rona?

not by accident:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.

more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)

'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 10, 2020, 09:04:21 AM
Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab

2 NHS workers suffered anaphylaxis after getting covid vaccine.

Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122)

"1"
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 12:05:46 PM
No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

Does your user name denote being a doctor?  If so, why are you pushing a vaccine for a virus that kills people who are on average 84.8 years old, with 2-3 separate health conditions?  Do you know that from an actuarial science perspective, that the people who die of this virus are within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway?

I can go on here...how about the fact that Canada is spending $1 billion a day to prevent a virus that kills people with five feet in the grave anyway, when that money could be used to extend the lives of people by DECADES?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 12:14:24 PM
While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 10, 2020, 12:22:42 PM
While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?

Marty Aspy, we hear your cry for help.


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Good luck.   🤣
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Marty Aspy, we hear your cry for help.


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Good luck.   🤣

Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 01:40:36 PM
Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.

No nut November is over. Go relax yourself.

the-doc was simply separating actual science from tinfoil hat science. He wasn't encouraging vaccine uptake.

No a vaccine won't be forced. The issue of hospital beds being taken up by the sick will largely be negated once over 60s are vaccinated and then things will slowly get back to normal. You might be told you need to get vaccinated if travelling abroad, but that's already been the case for long time if you're travelling to certain places.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 10, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
All vacancies can cause allergic reactions in susceptible people.

But this is proof that they are still "testing" the vaccine on those going in for them now. Why would they think it would be a good idea to vaccinate 2 people who need to carry epi pens.

That's just it mate they don't "think" the fucks can't be trusted due to general incompetence...
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
You seem to be going out on quite a limb making these claims for a vaccine that has been in development less than a year. There has never been any drug or vaccine developed that has zero side effects. None. It often takes widespread usage and a few years to find out how bad they are. You'll assume we all forgot your posts and are only here to try and get a short term ego boost.

I like lighter beers - any German Hefeweizen will do as long at its draft. And brewed in Munich.

The vaccine technology being used has been in development for several years. Closer to a decade.

He didn't say the vaccine won't have side effects. He said it won't have that one particular side effect. Drugs and vaccine are generally approved and used if they provide a better outcome vs the outcome of whatever they treat. If a disease had a 10% mortality rate and the vaccine for it had side effects which came with a 1% mortality rate, then even someone with shit for brains like you can work out what the better option is.

Great job showing us what a moron you are though. Please continue..
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 10, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

Agree 100% the infertility angle is nonsense....

What isn't nonsense is the high rates of reactivity severe fever etc2% for Pfizer, 4% moderna,,, this can't be avoided as its due to the lipid delivery system and or the alpha virus replcon genes used to self amplify the mRNA in the host...

And the biggest concern is the chance of chronic inflammation and auto reactive antibodies... This is the worry at this time no one knows medium to long term effects.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Fortress on December 10, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Zero fear of this Covidmania flu and zero chance I’ll be taking the vaccine.

If someone wants to live in his basement, that’s his choice.

Me, I’m gonna just live my life. If I have to wear a mask to purchase some bananas and eggs, whatever, but I’m NOT on board.

With any of it.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
That's just it mate they don't "think" the fucks can't be trusted due to general incompetence...

They actually banned people from taking part in the original trials if they had a history of severe allergic reactions.

These were medical professionals too..

Incompetence is an understatement.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 10, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
They actually banned people from taking part in the original trials if they had a history of severe allergic reactions.

These were medical professionals too..

Incompetence is an understatement.

Mate it never ceases to amaze me..
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
No nut November is over. Go relax yourself.

the-doc was simply separating actual science from tinfoil hat science. He wasn't encouraging vaccine uptake.

No a vaccine won't be forced. The issue of hospital beds being taken up by the sick will largely be negated once over 60s are vaccinated and then things will slowly get back to normal. You might be told you need to get vaccinated if travelling abroad, but that's already been the case for long time if you're travelling to certain places.

I'm crossing my fingers in the hope you are correct about this.

Just one point about the alleged hospitals being overwhelmed:

They're not.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: King Shizzo on December 10, 2020, 02:06:34 PM
Mate it never ceases to amaze me..
Just like a Harman Kardon soundsytem relates to cars? It used to be a good name...
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
Agree 100% the infertility angle is nonsense....

What isn't nonsense is the high rates of reactivity severe fever etc2% for Pfizer, 4% moderna,,, this can't be avoided as its due to the lipid delivery system and or the alpha virus replcon genes used to self amplify the mRNA in the host...

And the biggest concern is the chance of chronic inflammation and auto reactive antibodies... This is the worry at this time no one knows medium to long term effects.

Severe reactions have generally been lower in the elderly and I'm sure that they'd prefer not spend the last few years they have left hiding away from the virus, so I'm not too worried about them getting the shots. I'm telling my mother to get the Pfizer one.

The rest of us definitely need to wait for more data though and to see the results of other vaccines.

Also they are definitely aware that severe reactions (usually from the second shot) will become an issue for vaccine uptake, so they've started trialling giving a different vaccine instead as the second shot.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 02:34:55 PM
'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/ (https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes)

Very interesting protein, this Syncytin -1.

A research article published in PeerJ – Life & Environment on November 17, 2020 states that in a study the relative copy number of syncytin-1 in the pregnant group was significantly higher than in the non-pregnant group. Human chorionic gonadotropin (β-hCG) mRNAs increased. Preceding the transfer of frozen embryos, the increased copy number of syncytin-1 in the blastocyst trophectoderm was associated with good outcomes of pregnancies.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
Fucboi Leaders, Pharmas, Scientists and Vaccines.  Did anyone notice there are no influenza deaths this year?  Fucboi outta here!  You can make this stuff up.

Preliminary data suggests there were an estimated 24,000-62,000 flu deaths for the 2019-20 influenza season, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

While the CDC does not know the exact number of flu illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths from flu each season, their weekly preliminary models provide a guide to extrapolating their data.


https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-deadly-was-the-2019-2020-flu-season
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 02:46:36 PM
No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

You are likely right. Not wrong. It only took a few minutes of research to find an article that pretty much states the opposite because syncytin-1 actually improves the chances of a fertilized egg becoming implanted in the womb.   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab

2 NHS workers suffered anaphylaxis after getting covid vaccine.

Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122)

"1"

No vaccine is foolproof.  In a study of "Risk of anaphylaxis after vaccination in children and adults" published in 2015, the rate of anaphylaxis was 1.31 (95% CI, 0.90-1.84) per million vaccine doses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783279/
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 02:57:35 PM
Does your user name denote being a doctor?  If so, why are you pushing a vaccine for a virus that kills people who are on average 84.8 years old, with 2-3 separate health conditions?  Do you know that from an actuarial science perspective, that the people who die of this virus are within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway?

I can go on here...how about the fact that Canada is spending $1 billion a day to prevent a virus that kills people with five feet in the grave anyway, when that money could be used to extend the lives of people by DECADES?

I've never meant a person with five feet. Are there a lot of them?  ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?

You seem to be accused of trespassing a lot. Now that you are paying two lawyers to defend you for not following a government issued mandate, do you feel not wearing a mask to make a statement was worth it?

https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#:~:text=The%20best%20way%20to%20stop,physical%20distancing%20is%20a%20challenge.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
^ You post too much, Prime.  Jk.

Prime [and Walter], check this out:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1829670467550

^ 4 out of 22,000 people who were administered the vaccine got Bell's Palsy?  LMAO!  I'll be lining up to get this inoculation as soon as possible!  And this:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/509059-cornell-university-vaccine-white-only

^ White students forced to be used as guinea pigs for COVID vaccine.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 03:52:38 PM
You seem to be accused of trespassing a lot. Now that you are paying two lawyers to defend you for not following a government issued mandate, do you feel not wearing a mask to make a statement was worth it?

https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#:~:text=The%20best%20way%20to%20stop,physical%20distancing%20is%20a%20challenge.

As per the link that you just posted, I am legally exempt from wearing a mask.

And yes - I'm used to standing up for my rights.  And winning when I do.

Any other questions?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 10, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
Severe reactions have generally been lower in the elderly and I'm sure that they'd prefer not spend the last few years they have left hiding away from the virus, so I'm not too worried about them getting the shots. I'm telling my mother to get the Pfizer one.

The rest of us definitely need to wait for more data though and to see the results of other vaccines.

Also they are definitely aware that severe reactions (usually from the second shot) will become an issue for vaccine uptake, so they've started trialling giving a different vaccine instead as the second shot.

The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.

harmankardon1...unrelate d to my question to you below, but was the username harmankardon taken?

Do you have half an hour?  If so, would you or could you watch this video, or even a portion of it?

I'm trying to be rational regarding my take on COVID, but with so many people opposing me, I feel like either my mask of sanity is slipping or [hopefully] it's just a matter of people who side with me being afraid to speak out.

Do you think the video below is the stuff of conspiracy theory?  Should I stop following this YouTuber [Irish Dave Cullen - Computing Forever]:



Your opinion would be appreciated.  Thank you.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 05:00:08 PM
The thing here in Australia, is we have fuck all virus. So imo it's not worth getting the vaccine at all..

If I was over 60 in USA or uk etc where numbers are high, it then becomes a personal consideration, people should be given the actual facts including the high rates of adverse effects and make their decision. People should not be forced to take any vaccine.

What is the second vaccine they are using? Modernas vaccine data is worse than Pfizers they're up to 8% significant adverse effects.

 The alpha virus sequence is used in all saRNA vaccines, as is the lipid coating for entry, these are two of the issues with reactivity so I'm skeptical of improvement, though of course it's worth a shot.


I assumed the second vaccine shot would be an adenovirus vector vaccine (Oxford/AZ). They have good data on that vaccine for under 55s, but it isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The immune system launching a response to both the adenovirus and the spike protein seems to be what's making it less effective. I can see the logic in giving both and seeing what happens. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

TBH  I think vaccine wise they now have enough to move on. Pfizer vaccine for over 55s and the Oxford vaccine for under 55s who want it. The virus won't disappear completely, but it's more than enough for everything to get back to normal by late 2021. If better vaccines and therapeutics come along then that's even better. That applies to every country. Australia, US, UK, even China.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 05:41:07 PM

I assumed the second vaccine shot would be an adenovirus vector vaccine (Oxford/AZ). They have good data on that vaccine for under 55s, but it isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The immune system launching a response to both the adenovirus and the spike protein seems to be what's making it less effective. I can see the logic in giving both and seeing what happens. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

TBH  I think vaccine wise they now have enough to move on. Pfizer vaccine for over 55s and the Oxford vaccine for under 55s who want it. The virus won't disappear completely, but it's more than enough for everything to get back to normal by late 2021. If better vaccines and therapeutics come along then that's even better. That applies to every country. Australia, US, UK, even China.

You post intelligently, and I don't have any problem saying that some of what you say goes over my head.  Virology and vaccine-delivery technology are two topics that are not within my area of knowledge.

So...out of curiosity, what do you make of COVID in general?  Yes, I am hoping you post a giant reply.  I'm just wondering what someone who seems to be an intelligent person has to say about the entire COVID virus existence/pandemic and [more importantly, to me] COVID global community response.

For example, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada, as of 2020-09-23, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 had died of COVID.  I'm not sure how many people there are in Canada in that age range - it could be 24 million, it could be 31 million - so let's just say that 29,700,000 Canadians are under 60 [this may not be the correct number, but it's not like it's far off - I would have to check with Stats Canada to see].

That would mean 297 Canadians under 60 have died out of 29,700,000 in that age range.

That's 0.001%, meaning that 99.999% of Canadians under the age of 60 who were alive at this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

Flexacon, do you feel that the response to COVID has been appropriate and proportional?  Just curious what a smart person has to think about this [since I'm not exactly surrounded by smart people in real life].

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 10, 2020, 06:02:02 PM
Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.

Matt,

I think you need to stop giving so much credibility to what self-proclaimed experts say on the news or internet. You’re a smart (small) guy, step back and look at the real statistics behind the COVID scare (CDC stats on excess deaths in 2020) and draw your own conclusions.

For a guy like me, I won’t be affected much by the abject failure the Biden administration will be. My companies survived the Obama administration and it would be hard to believe that even a walking corpse like Hairplugs could be worse than Barry Oblowjob.

The sooner people see that the Democrats worked with China and COVID was used to crash the U.S. economy just to try to remove President Donald Trump the better off you will be.

Don’t off yourself Matt...if you feel you’re at wits end, at least strap a couple hundred pounds of C4 to yourself and take out a wide swath of liberals with your last act on earth. Now I know a cowardly cuckboi like you will never take any type of bold action, so you’re probably better off going over to Lakehead and playing hide and go seek with campus security.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
Matt,

I think you need to stop giving so much credibility to what self-proclaimed experts say on the news or internet. You’re a smart (small) guy, step back and look at the real statistics behind the COVID scare (CDC stats on excess deaths in 2020) and draw your own conclusions.

For a guy like me, I won’t be affected much by the abject failure the Biden administration will be. My companies survived the Obama administration and it would be hard to believe that even a walking corpse like Hairplugs could be worse than Barry Oblowjob.

The sooner people see that the Democrats worked with China and COVID was used to crash the U.S. economy just to try to remove President Donald Trump the better off you will be.

Don’t off yourself Matt...if you feel you’re at wits end, at least strap a couple hundred pounds of C4 to yourself and take out a wide swath of liberals with your last act on earth. Now I know a cowardly cuckboi like you will never take any type of bold action, so you’re probably better off going over to Lakehead and playing hide and go seek with campus security.

In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face who was attempting to illegally pull my friend out of my car when we were just sitting there talking in a McDonald's parking lot [he was a drug addict who died in 2012, but...so what?  That doesn't give the cop the right to pull him out of my car].

For that, I spent two days in jail, seven months on conditions, and 14 months in court over it - not to mention thousands of dollars in legal fees, all for what?  Defending my rights?  I was ultimately acquitted of all four charges, because...apparently sitting in a McDonald's parking lot talking isn't illegal - at least not in Ontario.

I guess I just have to defend that one point you made, because it involves my honour.  You're saying I don't have balls, and I'm saying I do.  In Ontario, we have the legal right to not wear masks if we are medically exempt.  Now I had to deal with being trespassed, having two police officers escort me out of a store, being trespassed for six months, and acquiring the services of two lawyers to deal with this.

I waited as the police were on their way, knowing full well that I had the potential to be arrested, and you're saying I don't have balls.  Well - what is everyone else doing?  Going along with the news on this like sheep.

Would I take part in a kamikaze mission to take down a bunch of liberals?  Well...wait, are you saying such a mission is currently taking recruits?

Jk.  But on a serious note - good post.  I'm trying NOT to think about the possibility of the global economy collapsing, and even though I agree 100% with your analysis, I just...I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting it, and wish I could just be more like you on that.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face

way to go, matt
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 06:45:14 PM


Flexacon, do you feel that the response to COVID has been appropriate and proportional?  Just curious what a smart person has to think about this [since I'm not exactly surrounded by smart people in real life].

I can't give you an unbiased answer as I have very little sympathy for people who are unhealthy because of poor lifestyle choices. Those were the people most at risk from covid after the elderly and the elderly have had a chance at life, so...

However stop potatoeing. You said you have a maths degree, but you're looking at the numbers all wrong.

29,700,000  under 60 have not been infected for you to be able to arrive at your 0.001% figure. I'd guess only around 10% of that 29.7 million have been infected. Also you need to factor in several thousands who would be left with long term illnesses after infection.

If I tried to take bias out of the equation then you'd what Australia and New Zealand have done. If it's too late for that then you let the virus hit hard once whilst locking away the elderly, have a short lockdown and then allow for a slower and more "controlled" spread. London and New York basically did that initially and they haven't had much in the way of a second wave of deaths.

Anything else right now is just politicking.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 07:05:30 PM
way to go, matt

Are you saying that standing up for my rights is somehow a bad thing?  If a police officer pulled you over and attempted to strip search you, would you allow it?  If not, then we're on the same page.  If so - way to go, Zillotch.

In my case, the police officer was grabbing my friend out of my car, on suspicion he had drugs on him, which he did not.  And I knew that my friend, while having used drugs in his life [obviously - sadly, he died in 2012 of an opiate overdose], did not have drugs in his possession at that moment.

I attempted to lock my car door.  I told my friend to not get out of the car, and attempted to pull him back into my car.  Exactly what, pray tell, was I supposed to do?

In the end, I punched the cop, got arrested, and my friend got dragged into the McDonald's bathroom and searched, and no drugs were found.  I was strip-searched at the police station, where no drugs or anything illegal was found on me, nor inside my car.  I had three naNOX9 pills in my front left jacket pocket in a plastic bag, which were tested for drugs.  ::)  As well as a bleach that was in an unlabeled clear plastic container, in my car.  They said they suspected it was date rape drug [GHB].  ::)

Hence why I attempted to stop the situation before it started to begin with.  I'm not going to comply with an illegal search with a police officer - I stand my ground.  And in that case, it meant flipping a police officer on his back and punching him out.

A few years later, someone else had a similar incident with police, sued, and ultimately won over $100,000.  The police here are lucky I didn't sue them, and they know full well that I could have.

Anyway, exactly what part of any of this do you have a problem with?  Did you miss the part where I said I was fully acquitted?

A police officer acted illegally, assaulted my friend, and when I attempted to stop it, I eventually had to punch him in self-defense, and was fully exonerated in a court of law.

I guess I'm just confused as to what exactly I did wrong - especially given the fact that this matter went to court and was fully settled in my favour, AND the police officer in question was reprimanded for his actions against me.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 07:12:35 PM
Are you saying

goodness... I was trying to give u props, phaggot... lol
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
I can't give you an unbiased answer as I have very little sympathy for people who are unhealthy because of poor lifestyle choices. Those were the people most at risk from covid after the elderly and the elderly have had a chance at life, so...

I know what you mean.  I was at the park with my little girl and her mom in September, and a woman was nearby, and we ended up talking.  At some point, I said "Canada's deficit is projected to be $343 billion this year, but the survival rate is something like 99.7% for people under 70.  I feel like that money can be better spent elsewhere.

With a very serious look on her face, she then scolded me about it, suggesting I was being irresponsible about public health.  Meanwhile, this woman was AT LEAST 100-lb overweight [she was at least 220-lb, at around 5'6"], and had what looked to be face herpes.  They weren't pimples - they were shingles/zosters, or something else.

Not exactly the type of person I want scolding me about public health [ditto for our morbidly obese premier in Ontario, Doug Ford - how about lose 100-lb first].

However stop potatoeing. You said you have a maths degree, but you're looking at the numbers all wrong.

29,700,000  under 60 have not been infected for you to be able to arrive at your 0.001% figure. I'd guess only around 10% of that 29.7 million have been infected.

Read my words:

That's 0.001%, meaning that 99.999% of Canadians under the age of 60 who were alive at this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

^ I didn't say the virus has a 99.999% survival rate, I said that 99.999% of Canadians under 60 alive this time last year did not die of COVID as of today.

But if we do talk about survival rate, is it "only" 99.7% for people under 60?  Lol, ok - what difference does that make?  Ok - point conceded - "only" 99.7% of people under 60 who get COVID will die of it.  Am I supposed to be scared?

Also you need to factor in several thousands who would be left with long term illnesses after infection.

I don't think we have good data on that, and in terms being afraid of "What If?" scenarios, I think you're smarter than that.  But point conceded - yes, there is the possibility of long-term issues with respect to COVID.  But without actual evidence, I am not worried about it.

If I tried to take bias out of the equation then you'd what Australia and New Zealand have done. If it's too late for that then you let the virus hit hard once whilst locking away the elderly, have a short lockdown and then allow for a slower and more "controlled" spread. London and New York basically did that initially and they haven't had much in the way of a second wave of deaths.

Anything else right now is just politicking.

I think you left out a word in your first sentence, but I think I know what you meant to write.

I'm going to grab some more data which I'm curious to get your view on.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 07:30:48 PM
Flexacon,

What do you make of the stats below for the 2018-2019 flu season, versus the 2019-2020 flu season?

If masks, social distancing, lock-downs, etc, made a big difference, and given that normal seasonal influenza and Covid-19 virus particles are both roughly the same size in terms of micron length, wouldn't masks reduce the spread of the normal flu to a similar extent as it would reduce the spread of COVID?  Or do you feel differently about that?

What do you make of these figures, comparing the past two flu seasons?:

Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers

Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:

39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths

https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/01/Flu-season-2020

October 1, 2018–April 30, 2019, the flu resulted in:

37.4 million to 42.9 million illnesses
531,000 to 647,000 hospitalizations
36,400 to 61,200 deaths in the United States.
116 pediatric deaths

Also, 17.3 million–20.1 million medical visits.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a3.htm
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 10, 2020, 07:33:01 PM
In 2007, I punched a police officer in the face who was attempting to illegally pull my friend out of my car when we were just sitting there talking in a McDonald's parking lot [he was a drug addict who died in 2012, but...so what?  That doesn't give the cop the right to pull him out of my car].

For that, I spent two days in jail, seven months on conditions, and 14 months in court over it - not to mention thousands of dollars in legal fees, all for what?  Defending my rights?  I was ultimately acquitted of all four charges, because...apparently sitting in a McDonald's parking lot talking isn't illegal - at least not in Ontario.

I guess I just have to defend that one point you made, because it involves my honour.  You're saying I don't have balls, and I'm saying I do.  In Ontario, we have the legal right to not wear masks if we are medically exempt.  Now I had to deal with being trespassed, having two police officers escort me out of a store, being trespassed for six months, and acquiring the services of two lawyers to deal with this.

I waited as the police were on their way, knowing full well that I had the potential to be arrested, and you're saying I don't have balls.  Well - what is everyone else doing?  Going along with the news on this like sheep.

Would I take part in a kamikaze mission to take down a bunch of liberals?  Well...wait, are you saying such a mission is currently taking recruits?

Jk.  But on a serious note - good post.  I'm trying NOT to think about the possibility of the global economy collapsing, and even though I agree 100% with your analysis, I just...I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting it, and wish I could just be more like you on that.

Matty Aspy, you obviously equate your lack of respect for authority to some perverse version of machismo. That’s okay, lots of closet homos lash out with slap fights and purse swinging when they have their estrogen driven temper tantrums.

Instead of whining about who is right or wrong in trivial matters like trespassing, why don’t you focus your energy and diminished intellect on getting a fucking job and becoming a productive member of society? No one cares about your great moralistic and principled stands in Thunder Bay. Your actions are silent farts in a hurricane. Since your not blessed or equipped with the ability to step outside yourself and gain the slightest bit of perspective, let your brethren here at Getbig help.

You are a board joke and are tolerated because we all love a good train wreck.

Grow up, you’re almost 40, you act like a teen high school girl who measures her life in likes and retweets.

Stop asking for opinions of fellow Getbiggers to strike up an attention-whoring dialogue. Talking to you is like carrying on a conversation with Shizzo while he pretends to be Primepedo.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 07:37:16 PM
goodness... I was trying to give u props, phaggot... lol

Hang on...you posted in-depth regarding COVID, and I'll admit - I profile.  I assume academic people tend to be pro-police.  And the fact that you quoted just that one portion of my post to comment on, just made me think you were unhappy about it.

So I assumed you to be pro-police, and figured you were being sarcastic, based on [1] your in-depth/academic posts on COVID, and [2] the fact that you quoted only a small portion of my post.

But if you were giving me props, my question now becomes: why do you think it's a good thing to punch a police officer?  Do you mean, in the context of an illegal arrest?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 07:43:45 PM

But if we do talk about survival rate, is it "only" 99.7% for people under 60?  Lol, ok - what difference does that make?  Ok - point conceded - "only" 99.7% of people under 60 who get COVID will die of it.  Am I supposed to be scared?

I didn't say you should be scared. FYI the survival rate is probably closer to 99.9% for under 60's


I don't think we have good data on that, and in terms being afraid of "What If?" scenarios, I think you're smarter than that.  But point conceded - yes, there is the possibility of long-term issues with respect to COVID.  But without actual evidence, I am not worried about it.

There is data on it. Roughly 1 in 20 who recover have some form of long. Again it's usually the unhealthy.

I think you left out a word in your first sentence, but I think I know what you meant to write.

I'm going to grab some more data which I'm curious to get your view on.

The problem for a lot of Western countries is that the elderly and overweight are the majority, otherwise the virus a non issue.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 10, 2020, 07:46:57 PM
Hang on...

u must focus on reality.

step 1

read the bible.

take care
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Moontrane on December 10, 2020, 07:57:17 PM
The problem for a lot of Western countries is that the elderly and overweight are the majority, otherwise the virus a non issue.

The rate at which Americans are overweight has been pretty constant over the past 60 years – 40%

What has drastically changed over that time is the obesity rate – tripling from 13 to 39 percent.   Throw in more heart disease, diabetes, and other ailments, and it’s no wonder so many folk are dying.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Flexacon,

What do you make of the stats below for the 2018-2019 flu season, versus the 2019-2020 flu season?

If masks, social distancing, lock-downs, etc, made a big difference, and given that normal seasonal influenza and Covid-19 virus particles are both roughly the same size in terms of micron length, wouldn't masks reduce the spread of the normal flu to a similar extent as it would reduce the spread of COVID?  Or do you feel differently about that?

What do you make of these figures, comparing the past two flu seasons?:

Coronavirus in 2020 didn't really take hold until late March. No one was wearing masks then. Also flu season pretty much ends around that time too.

The data you presented doesn't realy correlate to the period of mask wearing, social distancing etc. At most maybe 5%

Look at Australia. The nearly eliminated coronavirus, they also hardly have any flu during their flu season. The UK is also having much lower flu cases this winter.

Hard to say why though. Could be mask wearing/social distancing or it could be because there was a higher uptake of the flu vaccine. Could be because Australia has reduced cases of imported flu. Could be because in the UK a more dominant virus (sarscov2) has pushed flu to the back of the line. Toss a coin, no one really knows the real answer yet.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 08:03:12 PM
The rate at which Americans are overweight has been pretty constant over the past 60 years – 40%

What has drastically changed over that time is the obesity rate – tripling from 13 to 39 percent.   Throw in more heart disease, diabetes, and other ailments, and it’s no wonder so many folk are dying.

5% of those Americans counted as overweight would fall into the obesity category in most countries. America is more generous with it banding.

Also focusing on weight is still too simplistic. Visceral fat/waistline is a better indicator. Skinny fat/unhealthy is much more common now than in the past.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Chubz on December 10, 2020, 08:23:37 PM
Seriously I cannot believe how fucking stupid this cuntry is to even consider this vaccine!
I’ve been traveling all over the US while I can still fly b4 they mandate proof of vaxx. I was on American and those stupid girls kept walking the aisles mask checking, the guy in front of me got 3 strikes, all I know is the steward pulled his name up and from his seat/aisle and he was arguing with the crew as everyone was unloading, I didn’t stick around to hear his punishment. I got in my vehicle In O hare Chicago and this town is fucking DEAD!!!!!! Rip Merica, they are demolished us in the open, and people still think this vaccine is good and are willingly taking it?????
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 08:31:50 PM
Let's put COVID deaths into perspective, by comparing it to the expression "You have a better chance of being struck by lightning":

Canada averages over two million lightning strikes per year.  In Canada, 9 to 10 people are killed and 100 to 150 people are injured by lightning per year [data below], updated as of 2018-08-13.  As this is historical data, I have no reason to believe it significantly changed within the past two years.

Assuming these lightning strikes are spread equally over the population, since 82.8% of Canadians are under 65, that means between 83 and 124 Canadians under 65 get struck by lightning each year.  In reality, I would assume over 90% of all lightning strikes are among people under 65, as older people tend to stay indoors more.

According to the Public Health Agency of Canada, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of COVID as of 2020-09-23.  Let's round this number up to 400 as a projected year-end tally - that number will not be far off.

Ok...so around 100 Canadians under 65 got struck by lightning this year [based on historical data], and 400 Canadians under 60 will end up dying from COVID by the end of the year...and I'm supposed to be scared of this virus?

Canada's age demographic data:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-215-x/2018002/sec2-eng.htm

And while not exactly the same, the age cohorts compared above are close enough for me to use without feeling like I'm potatoing the math.

Attached are Canada's historical lightning strike data, as well as the mortality age demographic data from PHAC, cited above:
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 08:37:29 PM
Does this comment about COVID work, or is it a potato?:

"If you are under 60, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning within the next five years than dying of COVID within the next year."
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 10, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
Let’s a vaccine for a glorified flu that has a 99.7% survival rate. We’ve had flu shots for what? 50+ years and we still......have the flu
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Let’s a vaccine for a glorified flu that has a 99.7% survival rate. We’ve had flu shots for what? 50+ years and we still......have the flu

Exactly...it's also funny to me when people say COVID is worse than the flu, and "prove" that by claiming it is 7x as lethal, or whatever figure they use.

Seven times next to nothing is still...next to nothing.

Furthermore, we have a vaccine for the flu.  So flu deaths would be higher if we didn't have a vaccine, and would be much more comparable to COVID.  If a vaccine existed for neither, COVID would be, what, maybe 3x as lethal as the flu?

Again - so what?  So f*cking what?  We've shed $10 TRILLION in combined global economic output / addition of debt fighting a virus, and it's quite possible that for all that economic damage we've self-administered that it's done nothing whatsoever in stopping the spread of this virus.  Maybe it has - but since all the masks and social distancing did nothing to reduce normal flu deaths last year [with both virus particles being the same length, at around 12 microns], I have no reason to believe COVID deaths were significantly decreased.

There is something like 300x as much insect biomass on the planet compared to human biomass.  The human population keeps going up, as does our impact on the environment.  It was only a matter of time before the other living organisms we share the planet with decided to attack us - as we are the host taxing the planet the most.

To me, the bottom line is this:

Human beings are not the masters of nature that some think we are.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
Does this comment about COVID work, or is it a potato?:

"If you are under 60, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning within the next five years than dying of COVID within the next year."

Yes, because you haven't factored in exponential growth if the virus was left unchecked in a dense and susceptible population.

Most people fail to understand exponential growth, but you can't use that excuse.

Also you're only looking at the under 60 population and your own risk. Those making the decisions aren't doing that. The situation is very different once you add in the rest of the population. You don't have to like or agree with it, but if you can understand that you might be able to stop potatoing.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Chubz on December 10, 2020, 09:01:57 PM
I'm not sure why the fuck I even post here, usually because im drinking! Bottom line the vaccine is here and you will take it period!!!!!! the VERY VERY VERY small few of us who do not take it will not be allowed into society in any way shape or form! I have zero clue how long it will take to get to this point, months, years? my guess very soon! So make sure you know haw to start a fire and live in the woods if you want to survive, LOL hahahahaha just kidding im being all stupid tin foil hat wackadoodle!!!!! It will be up toy you to decide if you want it or not, your body your choice, the gubment will protect you its all written in the constitution.

Hope this helps
Chubz
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Chubz on December 10, 2020, 09:02:57 PM
POTATO
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 10, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
Let’s a vaccine for a glorified flu that has a 99.7% survival rate. We’ve had flu shots for what? 50+ years and we still......have the flu

15.7 million cases
293,000 deaths
That comes out to 1.86%.  That's more like a 98.14 survival rate.  So if tire flipping had a 98% survival rate, that would mean 2% of your clients would die working out. 
 ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: chaos on December 10, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
15.7 million cases
293,000 deaths
That comes out to 1.86%.  That's more like a 98.14 survival rate.  So if tire flipping had a 98% survival rate, that would mean 2% of your clients would die working out. 
 ;D
That number is a lie and you know it.
 ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 10, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
That number is a lie and you know it.
 ;D
No it isn't.
 ::)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 09:18:52 PM
Coronavirus in 2020 didn't really take hold until late March. No one was wearing masks then. Also flu season pretty much ends around that time too.

The data you presented doesn't realy correlate to the period of mask wearing, social distancing etc. At most maybe 5%

Look at Australia. The nearly eliminated coronavirus, they also hardly have any flu during their flu season. The UK is also having much lower flu cases this winter.

Hard to say why though. Could be mask wearing/social distancing or it could be because there was a higher uptake of the flu vaccine. Could be because Australia has reduced cases of imported flu. Could be because in the UK a more dominant virus (sarscov2) has pushed flu to the back of the line. Toss a coin, no one really knows the real answer yet.

Out of curiosity, is something stopping you from running from office, where ever you live?

There are zero - precisely ZERO - politicians speaking about COVID in the [what is to me] clear/neutral mathematically accurate way that you are.  Zero!  And that's absolutely pathetic to me.  Not one politician is showing any signs of doing anything but peddling fear.

Is the ability to think critically really THAT rare?

I specifically sought you out to answer a few questions about COVID that I had because it looked to me that the way in which you interpret data and form conclusions is one involving critical thinking.  I was right.

I also find it astonishing how many people were commenting on COVID in the first weeks and months when we had no data to even analyze!  As you said regarding determining if masks and social distancing works - we will need an apples to apples time/seasonal comparison before we can conclusively make a determination one way or another.

My thoughts are that at first, we had reason to be worried about this virus, and think of it as potentially being Ebola in terms of mortality rate, but the common cold in terms of its transmission rate.

After three months, and that obviously turned out to be completely untrue, it was time to REEVALUATE, and stop acting like this is the bubonic plague, for cripes' sake.  Just one more thing...I'm not sure how old you are, but have you ever watched the show Cheers?

PS - I would say the flu/COVID may well be low, but is a little higher than 5%.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: chaos on December 10, 2020, 09:22:19 PM
No it isn't.
 ::)
Yes, it is.
 ::)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 10, 2020, 09:22:40 PM

I assumed the second vaccine shot would be an adenovirus vector vaccine (Oxford/AZ). They have good data on that vaccine for under 55s, but it isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The immune system launching a response to both the adenovirus and the spike protein seems to be what's making it less effective. I can see the logic in giving both and seeing what happens. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

TBH  I think vaccine wise they now have enough to move on. Pfizer vaccine for over 55s and the Oxford vaccine for under 55s who want it. The virus won't disappear completely, but it's more than enough for everything to get back to normal by late 2021. If better vaccines and therapeutics come along then that's even better. That applies to every country. Australia, US, UK, even China.

I've had a read over the AstraZeneca vaccine data, it's looking like a much more tolerable vaccine at this point.. The data is actually out for peer review also unlike Pfizer.

Yes the vector will always cause some issue, I am surprised by how good their data is. Fingers crossed things stay that way moving forward as I'm not really liking the mRNA vaccines at this point.

I think that assessment you made is pretty sensible and I hope to see something like that moving forward. I don't think widespread use of the mRNA vaccines in non vulnerable groups is the best idea given the unknowns and high reactivity.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 09:36:35 PM
15.7 million cases
293,000 deaths
That comes out to 1.86%.  That's more like a 98.14 survival rate.  So if tire flipping had a 98% survival rate, that would mean 2% of your clients would die working out. 
 ;D

While you are right, 94% of the people who died had underlying health issues.  The average age of death is also 84.8.

Something to note: ~15% of common colds are coronaviruses.  I haven't ruled out the fact that we might just be being played here with one of the 200+ strains of the common cold.  Yep - there are over 200 known viruses that comprise what we known as "the common cold", so the easiest way for "the elite" to con the entire planet about a pandemic would be to discover a new cold [there is probably a new one discovered each year, given we already know of over 200 of them], call it "the coronavirus" [which it technically is], and scare the masses.

From Wiki:

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"The common cold is a viral infection of the upper respiratory tract. The most commonly implicated virus is a rhinovirus (30–80%), a type of picornavirus with 99 known serotypes.  Other commonly implicated viruses include human coronaviruses (≈ 15%) [...]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses

Seriously, let's do the math:

- Coronavirus.
- Average age of death = 84.8 years old.
- Average person dying had 2-3 underlying health conditions.

Any of the 200+ common colds would have similar mortality figures.  Common colds DO kill seniors, and always have, and if we wanted to keep them on ventilators as their immune system attempts to beat their final cold, we could.

Here's a question:

If not for the TV, social media, or basically any other form of media, would you even NOTICE a pandemic is going on?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 10, 2020, 09:45:16 PM
While you are right, 94% of the people who died had underlying health issues.  The average age of death is also 84.8.

Something to note: ~15% of common colds are coronaviruses.  I haven't ruled out the fact that we might just be being played here with one of the 200+ strains of the common cold.  Yep - there are over 200 known viruses that comprise what we known as "the common cold", so the easiest way for "the elite" to con the entire planet about a pandemic would be to discover a new cold [there is probably a new one discovered each year, given we already know of over 200 of them], call it "the coronavirus" [which it technically is], and scare the masses.

From Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses

Seriously, let's do the math:

- Coronavirus.
- Average age of death = 84.8 years old.
- Average person dying had 2-3 underlying health conditions.

Any of the 200+ common colds would have similar mortality figures.  Common colds DO kill seniors, and always have, and if we wanted to keep them on ventilators as their immune system attempts to beat their final cold, we could.

Here's a question:

If not for the TV, social media, or basically any other form of media, would you even NOTICE a pandemic is going on?

Pre-existing condition or not, covid at an absolute minimum was a nail in the coffin.  As for the common cold?  People with diabetes, high BP, etc get the common cold year after year and live long lives.  Not so much with covid.  There is no equivalence between covid-19 and the common cold.  Also, through June of 2019 there were 1.4 million deaths in the United states.  Through June of 2020 there were 2.4 million deaths.  Many more people have died this year vs last year.  I don't think we've had a huge uptick in plane crashes, car crashes, aids, cancer, etc. 
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
I've had a read over the AstraZeneca vaccine data, it's looking like a much more tolerable vaccine at this point.. The data is actually out for peer review also unlike Pfizer.

WTF?  ???

So Pfizer is immune from liability for any damage the COVID vaccine causes, AND their data is unavailable for peer review?

How on earth is it being rolled out if that's the case?  ???
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 10:28:45 PM
I've had a read over the AstraZeneca vaccine data, it's looking like a much more tolerable vaccine at this point.. The data is actually out for peer review also unlike Pfizer.

Yes the vector will always cause some issue, I am surprised by how good their data is. Fingers crossed things stay that way moving forward as I'm not really liking the mRNA vaccines at this point.

I think that assessment you made is pretty sensible and I hope to see something like that moving forward. I don't think widespread use of the mRNA vaccines in non vulnerable groups is the best idea given the unknowns and high reactivity.

A 50% effective vaccine was the original goal, so AZ gone beyond expectations and is cheap to manufacture. The Russian vaccine is potentially even better. It uses a different vector for each jab. Not that they'll get any credit for it in the west.

The Pfizer documents that the EU were going to use to decide regulatory approval looks like it might have been accessed by hackers, so we might get to see it after all.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 10:30:26 PM
Pre-existing condition or not, covid at an absolute minimum was a nail in the coffin.  As for the common cold?  People with diabetes, high BP, etc get the common cold year after year and live long lives.  Not so much with covid.  There is no equivalence between covid-19 and the common cold.  Also, through June of 2019 there were 1.4 million deaths in the United states.  Through June of 2020 there were 2.4 million deaths.  Many more people have died this year vs last year.  I don't think we've had a huge uptick in plane crashes, car crashes, aids, cancer, etc.

The average age of a person dying with COVID is 84.8 with 2-3 separate comorbidities.

That's not either 84.8 or 2-3 separate comorbidities.  It's both.

So yes - people with diabetes are surviving COVID all the time.

I should point out - I'm really reaching here to compare COVID to a cold, but COVID is such a complete joke to me, that I don't feel the comparison is that inappropriate.  Comparing it to the normal seasonal influenza would be a better comparison...both are potentially deadly, but neither will generally kill young and healthy people.  All examples of young people dying of COVID have been cherry-picked.

Regarding excess deaths, according to the CDC, there were only 215,000 more deaths in the previous 12 months ending June of 2020 in the USA, compared to June of 2019 [3,038,000 in June/2020 versus 2,823,000 in June/2019].

That increase works out to 0.0655% of the total American population, or an increase of 10.76% compared to the previous year's deaths [using the 12-month ending number].

Ok - so 11% more people are dying.  How many funerals have you been in, in your life?

I'm 38, and I have been to five.  I couldn't go to the funeral of my father's parents because they live out of province, and I can think of two people whose funerals I could have gone to, but had reasons not to [one was also out of province].

Let's just say at MOST, I should have been to 10 funerals in my life.  An 11% increase in deaths would mean that I should have gone to 11.

Put another way - we're not going to notice an 11% increase in deaths.  That's 215,000 additional deaths out of 328,200,000 people in the USA.  That's 1 in 1,527.  Most of us don't even personally know 1,527 people.  I would think the average person might personally know something like 300 people.

Now...I should point out that it's rather cold for me to say that no one would notice an 11% increase in deaths.  I don't want to come across as uncaring, but it's not like fighting COVID has come at no cost - in Canada, we're spending $1 BILLION daily to fight COVID.  That money could be used to give 10,000 Canadians lifesaving procedures that cost $100,000 each.  That money could build four state-of-the-art hospitals costing $250 MILLION per hospital.

Instead, what's happening?  The 2,604 global billionaires have increased their net wealth by $1 TRILLION in the second greatest recession in history since The Great Depression.  And to me - that's depressing.

You do have me convinced that Covid-19 exists though.  At this point, I only barely have enough actual data to establish that.

I would think that in a "global pandemic" people might...you know...notice there is one, or something [JMO].

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 10:33:39 PM
A 50% effective vaccine was the original goal, so AZ gone beyond expectations and is cheap to manufacture. The Russian vaccine is potentially even better. It use a different vector for each jab. Not that they'll get any credit for it in the west.

The Pfizer documents that the EU were going to use to decide regulatory approval looks like it might have been accessed by hackers, so we might get to see it after all.

Regarding Russia, check this article out:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-vaccine-covid-19-coronavirus-chris-brown-1.5819331

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Russia says its COVID vaccine is 95% effective. So why is there still Western resistance to it?

wut

"Russia says?"

LMAO!  Since when do we question why the West doesn't consider Russian standards to be acceptable?  Here - since mainstream media is looking more and more like The Onion every day, I'll produce a headline:

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Somalia says its COVID vaccine is 95% effective. So why is there still Western resistance to it?

Yeah, gee...what could be the problem there?  ::)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 10, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
2019 = 22,000 flu deaths
2020 = 298,000 covid deaths

Shitty comparison
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 10, 2020, 10:42:24 PM

My thoughts are that at first, we had reason to be worried about this virus, and think of it as potentially being Ebola in terms of mortality rate, but the common cold in terms of its transmission rate.


That's actually pretty close to how I saw it at the beginning, but still not anywhere near Ebola deadly.

I could never bring myself to kiss ass so would never make it as a politician. I'm just happy making good money, no bosses watching over me and living an easy low stress life. Yes I've watched Cheers..

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 11:16:38 PM
2019 = 22,000 flu deaths
2020 = 298,000 covid deaths

Shitty comparison

Your COVID death statistic is fairly close to accurate - the number I pulled up, updated within the past 24 hours, says 293,000.  As for your flu statistic...yes, 22,000 is [close enough to] the lowest estimated death count for the normal flu.  But I think you're cherry-picking a little.

I'd even go so far as to say that your number is, yes, a bit FISHY.  ;D

As per the normal flu death figures for 2018-2019 and 2019-2020, posted by myself and Primemuscle, here they are again:

Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers

Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:

39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths

https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/01/Flu-season-2020

October 1, 2018–April 30, 2019, the flu resulted in:

37.4 million to 42.9 million illnesses
531,000 to 647,000 hospitalizations
36,400 to 61,200 deaths in the United States.
116 pediatric deaths

Also, 17.3 million–20.1 million medical visits.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a3.htm

Let's produce mean figures for each season using the range given by the CDC, year ending:

2019: 43,000
2020: 48,800

Now let's produce a mean figure for both years combined: 45,900.

That's around double the figure you cited, and I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that 100,000 people would die of the normal seasonal influenza if not for the fact that we have a vaccine for it.

That brings us to 100K flu deaths versus 300K Covid-19 deaths, with the only assumption I'm making here being that we'd see around double the number of flu deaths without a vaccine.  Am I assuming too much by saying that?  To me, that does not seem to be an unreasonable assumption.

Do you have thoughts on that, AbrahamG?  I don't think anything I did above is THAT much of a stretch...is it?

During the initial lockdown/hysteria phase of the pandemic, I just sat at home watching YouTube videos and reading Getbig threads [I rent houses for a living].  When I finally started looking at the mortality data, I came to the conclusion that COVID is worse than the flu - but not by much.  I called it "Flu 3.0" [to denote that it's probably around 3x as lethal as the flu - "Flu 3x" would be a more accurate name, but I thought "Flu 3.0" sounded better].

I added one qualifier: COVID mortality as a function of age takes an even steeper curve than the flu, making it an even more geriatric disease.  Both are geriatric diseases - but COVID is an even more geriatric disease.

So OK - we have a flu that is 3x as deadly as the normal flu, with no working vaccine [yet].

Canada's deficit spending is currently $1 BILLION daily, and other Western nations are at similar levels.  Total global economic damage is at least 3x that of the 2008 global economic collapse.

Was that economic cost worth it?

Feel free to correct any of my figures, challenge any of my assumptions, present any new data, or give me an angle that I may have missed.  I'm here to learn, and I've learned more in a day reading your posts than I could from watching CNN for a month.

I'm open-minded about this [and about everything], even though I may not seem like I am.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 10, 2020, 11:42:39 PM
That's actually pretty close to how I saw it at the beginning, but still not anywhere near Ebola deadly.

I could never bring myself to kiss ass so would never make it as a politician. I'm just happy making good money, no bosses watching over me and living an easy low stress life. Yes I've watched Cheers..

At first, we didn't know, right?  So...I can forgive anyone for being overly concerned or worried or otherwise pessimistic about it.  As the weeks turned into months and we had adequate mortality data with respect to age and health status, I think it was time to collectively calm our tits, reopen our economics, target resources towards vulnerable populations, and stop politicizing fear.  But what I've learned is that crises do more to advance policy and cultural changes than voting, lobbying, or any agents of change combined.

It's sort of like comparing evolution to extinction events - evolution will produce change over time, but extinction events can, in one fell swoop, do more to change the globe than thousands or even millions of years of evolution combined.  It only took one asteroid to do away with dinosaurs, who took however many millions [billions?] of years to evolve.

And I guess the elite - the pernicious "they", who pull the strings behind the curtains know this.

I agree with you completely about how being a politician entails kissing ass, and it's one of the reasons I couldn't be one either.  I'm just saying - it would be NICE if even ONE person in Canadian politics right now had the critical thinking ability that you have - or [maybe more accurately] had the balls to show they have it [my guess is that some do, but feel pressured to go along with the herd - I even suspect that some politicians are being threatened to toe the line, on COVID, as well as other issues].

Regarding Cheers...do you remember Norm?  He was played by George Wendt, and he is still alive - at 5'8" and around 400-lb, he's still kicking.  It just makes me think - we live in a society of obese, opioid-addicted alcoholics, and COVID is somehow currently considered the biggest threat to health.

I saw another 400-lb guy [although taller - he was like 6'5" or 6'6"] walk out of KFC with a huge bucket of chicken, and light up a cigarette after putting the bucket in his van.  I saw another obese guy walking with a mask on, only to take the mask off to light a cigarette.  You would think that prioritizing losing 100- to 200-lb would be their primary health goal right now...but no.  It's just so strange to me.

You mentioned you don't much sympathize with people who have unhealthy lifestyles...I somewhat feel the same way, but it's more like this: I find it slightly annoying listening to my 330-lb provincial leader [premier Doug Ford] dictate to me how having Christmas with my family is selfish, when this man can't even cut back on junk food long enough to get his body weight to under 300-lb.  Really?  I mean - REALLY?

Regarding Cheers...if you have an hour or so, this is HILARIOUS [or sad...or both, depending on your view]...and it almost inspires me, in a way.  I am amazed at how unhealthy we can be, and still live a relatively long life [George Wendt just turned 72]:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: kreator on December 11, 2020, 12:01:13 AM
A couple of days ago medical authorities in Slovenia publicly admitted that they count everyone that tested positive for C0vid19 at the time of their death as the C0vid victim.

still a hoax
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 11, 2020, 12:57:50 AM
Australian Covid-19 vaccine trials ended after test subjects return 'false positive' HIV results
"Follow up tests confirmed that there is no HIV virus present, just a false positive on certain HIV tests. There is no possibility the vaccine causes infection," the statement added.

The group’s ”cautionary tale” stems from the Step and Phambili phase 2b trials that studied the efficacy of an Ad5 vectored HIV-1 vaccine in preventing HIV infection. Across both international studies, they found that the vaccine actually increased the risk of HIV among the vaccinated men.

Fucboi rushed science, Fucboi vaccines!

We've gone from 18 months - 9 years to 6 months b/c Fucbois couldn't have a Thanksgiving dinner alone for ONE FUCBOI YEAR!   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
Australian Covid-19 vaccine trials ended after test subjects return 'false positive' HIV results
"Follow up tests confirmed that there is no HIV virus present, just a false positive on certain HIV tests. There is no possibility the vaccine causes infection," the statement added.

The group’s ”cautionary tale” stems from the Step and Phambili phase 2b trials that studied the efficacy of an Ad5 vectored HIV-1 vaccine in preventing HIV infection. Across both international studies, they found that the vaccine actually increased the risk of HIV among the vaccinated men.

Fucboi rushed science, Fucboi vaccines!

We've gone from 18 months - 9 years to 6 months b/c Fucbois couldn't have a Thanksgiving dinner alone for ONE FUCBOI YEAR!   

Speaking of adverse effects from the COVID vaccine, what do you make of this?:

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-bells-palsy

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COVID-19 vaccine and Bell's palsy: Is there a link?

None has been established. "I cannot make a direct connection with the vaccine and suspect this is a coincidence," Dr. Hinman says. "The normal incidence of Bell's palsy is roughly 20 people out of 100,000. The Pfizer study examined 38,000 patients, so four cases would be within the normal observed incidence of Bell's palsy."

Ok...someone PLEASE tell me I'm wrong about this, because I'm hoping I am, but I can't tell:

So four out of 38,000 people who received the Pfizer vaccine developed Bell's palsy, when the normal lifetime incidence of Bell's palsy is 20 out of 100,000 people.  That means that 1 in 9,500 developed Bell's palsy after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, when the normal incidence is 1 in 5,000.

But wouldn't the "normal incidence" of Bell's palsy be 20 people out of 100,000 over the course of their lifespans?

If 1 in 9,500 people got Bell's palsy literally days after getting the Pfizer COVID vaccine, that would seem rather alarming to me.

Please tell me I'm missing something in my analysis here.  It's possible I am, but as with so much relating to COVID, it's hard to find any information online that is counter-narrative.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Body-Buildah on December 11, 2020, 04:18:51 AM
“The average age of death from COVID in Alberta is 83, and I’ll remind the house that the average life expectancy in the province is 82,”

--

So motorcycle deaths can be classed as covid deaths, but deaths after vaccination are just "old age".

Got it  ::)

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 05:12:21 AM
“The average age of death from COVID in Alberta is 83, and I’ll remind the house that the average life expectancy in the province is 82,”

--

So motorcycle deaths can be classed as covid deaths, but deaths after vaccination are just "old age".

Got it  ::)

I wasn't sure who "Moore" was in the blurb that you quoted, so I tracked down a primary source with other comments she [Dr. Kelly Moore] made starting with the one you quoted:

https://www.weny.com/story/43007205/why-vaccinate-our-most-frail-odd-vote-out-shows-the-dilemma

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"We would not at all be surprised to see, coincidentally, vaccination happening and then having someone pass away a short time after they receive a vaccine, not because it has anything to do with the vaccination but just because that's the place where people at the end of their lives reside," Moore said.

Here's the next paragraph, immediately after the one above [that you quoted originally in your post]:

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"One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility. That would be something we would expect, as a normal occurrence, because people die frequently in nursing homes."

^ Funny...when I used that same logic for COVID deaths, I either got shot down, called a conspiracy theorist, or called coldhearted and uncaring of human life.  So if masses of people who tested positive for Covid-19 die, it's always because of Covid-19, but if we see similar numbers of elderly people die after receiving the vaccine, it's just because elderly people naturally die?  Makes about as much sense as anything has so far in this scamdemic.

Speaking of Alberta, I recently read that Alberta hospitals were going to be "overwhelmed" with ICU patients, with a staggering 328 ICU patients in 106 Alberta hospitals.  Good Lord - three extra people in the ICU per hospital!  How will Alberta manage?  ::)

Also from Alberta, I posted this video here earlier [page 5 - reply #111].  This highlights desperately needed perspective.  I wondered why so many doctors are on board with this scam...but they're not - it's that the media and politicians specifically select doctors on the basis of peddling fear.  What's so impressive about Dr. Roger Hodkinson [below] is that he profits from selling Covid-19 test kits - so he has a profit incentive to say exactly the OPPOSITE of what he says.  IMO, he is owed a huge deal of respect for that:



Not to mention the costs fighting COVID thus far - not just economic, but personal, psychological, social and cultural costs, and more.  Here is a study on the rise in suicides, stemming directly from Covid-19 fallout:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120

And Body-Buildah - thank you for posting that video from Ivor Cummins.  I checked it out, and then went to check out other videos on his channels.  Just scanning over his videos, it looks like his main concern and main angle of coverage is how lockdowns are doing nothing to stop the spread of COVID, except hurting the economy, which will ultimately put us in a far more vulnerable state to deal with COVID, and to deal with healthcare in general [it's going to be hard to have a functional healthcare system if multiple nation states go bankrupt as a result of COVID deficit spending].

Ivor's channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPn4FsiQP15nudug9FDhluA
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Body-Buildah on December 11, 2020, 05:29:21 AM
Before COVID, I watched him for his health related topics. A smart guy who's easy to listen to and uses science/logic. (Not fear, or fake news).
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Body-Buildah on December 11, 2020, 05:36:49 AM
 :-[
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 06:26:03 AM
Before COVID, I watched him for his health related topics. A smart guy who's easy to listen to and uses science/logic. (Not fear, or fake news).

While I do have a university background in mathematics, none of the skill needed to analyze and draw conclusions about COVID requires math much beyond the topics you would learn in grade nine.  Most of it simply involves long division.  The "slightly" advanced math needed would be the math required to analyze line graphs, bar graphs, scatter plots, and histograms.

IIRC, those are all topics covered/learned in grade nine math - the curriculum may have changed since I took grade nine math 24 years ago, but if I'm wrong, I'd be about 99% certain that they get covered somewhere between grade 8-10.

When I watched the video by Ivor Cummins that you posted, I knew right away that he was able to correctly interpret data drawn from scatter plots and histograms, and even though that is basic stuff, it's impressive given how almost no one in media or politics understands how to do that.  Not only that - he was able to extrapolate future trends on the basis of past data.  Extrapolation is something I find incredibly easy, but I rarely see anyone able to do it.

Here's an example of extrapolation - guess the values for X, Y, and Z:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, X, Y, Z.

Is it REALLY that difficult to figure out the pattern there, and that [X, Y, Z] = [8, 9, 10]?

It's not exactly the Fibonacci sequence, and even the Fibonacci sequence doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out...

My mind is naturally oriented to analyze data properly and efficiently/quickly, and as soon as I saw that Ivor was doing so, I knew I had to watch more of his videos.

Here is a channel I have been following since around August, that a good friend of mine directed me too, who told me belonged to a doctor who was ahead of the curve in terms of knowledge about COVID, consistently since January and beyond:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PeakProsperity

I'm surprised that YouTube hasn't deleted these channels yet.  I think the reason they haven't is because there would be no justification.  So instead what they do is shadow-ban the videos so that they get little to no visibility, and also fill the search results with any videos made that refute the content of the anti-narrative COVID videos - this is what happened to Computing Forever [Irish Dave Cullen]: if you search for his user name, the first videos in the search results are all videos refuting his content - or attempting to refute them, and badly at that.

It's not a hot war going on right now - probably not even a cold war [debatable].  It's a psychological war - a war involving the proliferation of information.  And so far, I think Big Tech is winning...but only narrowly.  Still...I'd have to give it to them right now.  They really raised their game, refined their algorithms, and improved their technology after Trump got elected.

At least it's becoming widely known what Big Tech is doing...so time will tell how this war ends.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Megalodon on December 11, 2020, 06:52:31 AM
For those concerned about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, Dr. Fauci reassures the world that it was developed by an African American woman.
 

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 07:26:05 AM
For those concerned about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, Dr. Fauci reassures the world that it was developed by an African American woman.

Interesting - I didn't know that.

I can only speculate from that snippet of a clip that he is probably referring to the lack of trust among African Americans in terms of getting the vaccine:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/experts-warn-low-covid-vaccine-trust-among-black-americans-n1250743

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/most-black-americans-not-planning-to-take-covid-19-vaccine-study-says/65-46c50d30-e09e-4e58-bcd6-1e5a2bafdaef

So I guess we'll need to see some racially targeted brainwashing campaigns to see public interest in receiving this rushed vaccine increase.  Here's a sample article of what is likely many more to come:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/bs-ed-mcdaniels-1209-covid-vaccine-african-americans-20201208-wahswzcdibdajbr5fl62cxldne-story.html
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 11, 2020, 08:21:59 AM
Interesting - I didn't know that.

I can only speculate from that snippet of a clip that he is probably referring to the lack of trust among African Americans in terms of getting the vaccine:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/experts-warn-low-covid-vaccine-trust-among-black-americans-n1250743

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/most-black-americans-not-planning-to-take-covid-19-vaccine-study-says/65-46c50d30-e09e-4e58-bcd6-1e5a2bafdaef

So I guess we'll need to see some racially targeted brainwashing campaigns to see public interest in receiving this rushed vaccine increase.  Here's a sample article of what is likely many more to come:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/bs-ed-mcdaniels-1209-covid-vaccine-african-americans-20201208-wahswzcdibdajbr5fl62cxldne-story.html

Pro tip: Don't put link after link in your posts- this isn't Researchgate. Just one fucking funny picture will do.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 11, 2020, 08:38:55 AM
For those concerned about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, Dr. Fauci reassures the world that it was developed by an African American woman.
 



Dr "Brothers and Sisters" Fucboi can kiss my half mutt black a$$.  Show me opposing datum which contradicts statements made by MIT, concerning a lack of black test subjects.  Three weeks ago it was an African man who created one of the 21 vaccines.  She'll be a nice fall girl when the lawsuits start coming in.  Fucboi rushed Vaccine.   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 09:03:08 AM
Pro tip: Don't put link after link in your posts- this isn't Researchgate. Just one fucking funny picture will do.

[1] Who is the sexy brunette in your picture?  I have a penchant for sexy brunettes.

[2] How many links would you recommend per post at a maximum?  I didn't think three was overkill - but I think it also depends on the length of the links.  If one link takes up multiple lines, and you post three links like that, I could see that being an ugly mess.  Discuss this.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 11, 2020, 10:32:33 AM

Regarding Cheers...do you remember Norm?  He was played by George Wendt, and he is still alive - at 5'8" and around 400-lb, he's still kicking.  It just makes me think - we live in a society of obese, opioid-addicted alcoholics, and COVID is somehow currently considered the biggest threat to health.

I saw another 400-lb guy [although taller - he was like 6'5" or 6'6"] walk out of KFC with a huge bucket of chicken, and light up a cigarette after putting the bucket in his van.  I saw another obese guy walking with a mask on, only to take the mask off to light a cigarette.  You would think that prioritizing losing 100- to 200-lb would be their primary health goal right now...but no.  It's just so strange to me.

You mentioned you don't much sympathize with people who have unhealthy lifestyles...I somewhat feel the same way, but it's more like this: I find it slightly annoying listening to my 330-lb provincial leader [premier Doug Ford] dictate to me how having Christmas with my family is selfish, when this man can't even cut back on junk food long enough to get his body weight to under 300-lb.  Really?  I mean - REALLY?

Regarding Cheers...if you have an hour or so, this is HILARIOUS [or sad...or both, depending on your view]...and it almost inspires me, in a way.  I am amazed at how unhealthy we can be, and still live a relatively long life [George Wendt just turned 72]:

It's been my experience too that mainly overweight/unhealthy people are calling for all the strict measures and mass vaccinations. Whenever I've mentioned that losing weight for better health and covid outcome needs pushing to the masses, they'll usually say now isn't the time as we need to deal with the covid pandemic first.

Also the Russian vaccine is finally getting some credit. They are trialling it in combination with the Oxford vaccine now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55273907
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: dexitrim on December 11, 2020, 01:23:20 PM
It's been my experience too that mainly overweight/unhealthy people are calling for all the strict measures and mass vaccinations. Whenever I've mentioned that losing weight for better health and covid outcome needs pushing to the masses, they'll usually say now isn't the time as we need to deal with the covid pandemic first.

Also the Russian vaccine is finally getting some credit. They are trialling it in combination with the Oxford vaccine now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55273907

I mentioned in another thread that my sister is a Covid ICU nurse, and has been taking contract work.  She did 10 weeks on Long Island, 10 weeks in Miami, and is now doing a 13 week contract in Arizona.  I spoke to her two nights ago, and asked her what type of patients she's seeing in the ICU.  On Long Island and in Miami, it was mostly black and latino patients, and most of them died.  In Arizona it's a mix of ethnicities, but the common factor is that they are mostly all overweight.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Henda on December 11, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
It's been my experience too that mainly overweight/unhealthy people are calling for all the strict measures and mass vaccinations. Whenever I've mentioned that losing weight for better health and covid outcome needs pushing to the masses, they'll usually say now isn't the time as we need to deal with the covid pandemic first.

Also the Russian vaccine is finally getting some credit. They are trialling it in combination with the Oxford vaccine now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55273907

Fucking fat cunts ruin everything for everyone, no wonder every fucker hates the disgusting eyesores
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 02:31:54 PM
It's been my experience too that mainly overweight/unhealthy people are calling for all the strict measures and mass vaccinations. Whenever I've mentioned that losing weight for better health and covid outcome needs pushing to the masses, they'll usually say now isn't the time as we need to deal with the covid pandemic first.

Also the Russian vaccine is finally getting some credit. They are trialling it in combination with the Oxford vaccine now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55273907

That reminds me of the story I mentioned earlier of when I was in the park in September with my 3-year-old daughter and her mommy.

I basically said "Yada Yada Yada - I don't think spending a billion dollars a day [in Canada alone] on a virus that kills people who are older than the average human lifespan is a good use of that money.  I don't need the government to lecture me in order to take care of my health, and don't feel the need to wear a mask or stand six feet away from someone who is going to give me the virus if he/she has it, even if I do "social distance" from them."

She responded with the most serious/stern look on her face [she was basically scolding me], then proceeded to tell me that the government measures were necessary.

This woman was around 5'6" and was 220-lb, if not more [I'd guess 220...but she could have possibly be 230].  Her face was also covered in what I can only surmise to be facial shingles/zosters.  They weren't pimples.  I don't know if facial shingles are the result of poor diet or an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle, but if it's not - she must have the worst luck in the world.

My point is - do I REALLY need a woman who is 100-lb overweight and whose face is a mess of herpes scolding me as if I am posing a risk to public health when I eat well, exercise regularly, and I maintain a healthy body weight, healthy/low blood pressure, and all of my other markers of health are in the optimal/athlete range?  In fact, I have been in a state of natural ketosis my entire life, simply because my carbs/calories are so low.  I'm just barely in ketosis, granted, but I am - literally 24/7/365, likely going back decades now - always in a state of natural ketosis, because I naturally eat so little, and eat so few carbs.

Admittedly, I have been working out less lately - first, because the Ministry of Health is CONSTANTLY threatening gyms with lockdowns, and I'm worried if I commit to a plan that I will end up having to cancel it anyway if the gym gets shut down again this winter.  Also, the pool/sauna, and hot tub are closed, and they keep flip flopping on stuff like that.  It's really annoying to pay full price for a membership, only for half the services I pay for to get cancelled.

Not to mention, with all the insane "Social Fitnessing" garbage, and being scolded by paranoid morons for not sanitizing weight benches after literally just sitting on them - yes, SITTING ON THEM...not sweating on them, not working out on them, but literally just SITTING ON THEM between sets - is really turning me off from going to the gym.  But my diet is on point, and I'm in good overall health, sitting at 195-lb now, which is 20-lb heavier than I would like to be, but nothing I can't shed within a month of going to the gym consistently.

"Social Fitnessing"...LMAO!!!  I wonder how the various gym owners will feel submitting to the government's ridiculous rules once they just get shut down anyway, with their property bought up for pennies on the dollar by major corporations.

Being surrounded by paranoid people is just depressing, so I've been focusing on eating a perfect diet, getting adequate rest, brushing and flossing as diligently as possible, taking my blood pressure from a blood pressure machine/cuff that I have at home, and doing anything else I can do at home, until this insanity ends.  IF this insanity ends.  If not...I guess I'll start going back to the gym daily starting 2021-01-01 when gym memberships go on sale for all the New Year's Resolutioners who end up quitting by Valentine's Day.

Sad times.

Oh...and I REALLY don't want to hear another word from my fat premier about how bad I am for planning to spend Christmas with my family.  For cripes' sake, lose 100-lb for dictating to your constituents ANYTHING about health!
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
I mentioned in another thread that my sister is a Covid ICU nurse, and has been taking contract work.  She did 10 weeks on Long Island, 10 weeks in Miami, and is now doing a 13 week contract in Arizona.  I spoke to her two nights ago, and asked her what type of patients she's seeing in the ICU.  On Long Island and in Miami, it was mostly black and latino patients, and most of them died.  In Arizona it's a mix of ethnicities, but the common factor is that they are mostly all overweight.

Here are some of the political elites who are implying that I am a bad [selfish] person for not wearing a mask *when I'm not even sick with COVID anyway, and unable to transmit what I don't even have.*  ::)  Not to mention, I'm not 150- to 200-lb overweight - not exactly the crowd I want to dictate to me anything about being responsible with respect to public health:
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 02:44:19 PM
Fucking fat cunts ruin everything for everyone, no wonder every fucker hates the disgusting eyesores

What about in the event of a HIPPO saving a wildebeest from being eaten alive by a crocodile [only for the wildebeest to limp away and be eaten by a lion or a hyena within 24 hours, LOL]?:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Megalodon on December 11, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Here are some of the political elites who are implying that I am a bad [selfish] person for not wearing a mask *when I'm not even sick with COVID anyway, and unable to transmit what I don't even have.*  ::)  Not to mention, I'm not 150- to 200-lb overweight - not exactly the crowd I want to dictate to me anything about being responsible with respect to public health:

Mayor Smith has a strong muscular foundation.


(https://i.postimg.cc/VvLSYdYd/graydon.jpg)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
^ You post too much, Prime.  Jk.

Prime [and Walter], check this out:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1829670467550

^ 4 out of 22,000 people who were administered the vaccine got Bell's Palsy?  LMAO!  I'll be lining up to get this inoculation as soon as possible!  And this:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/509059-cornell-university-vaccine-white-only

^ White students forced to be used as guinea pigs for COVID vaccine.

Bell's palsy is no joke. My sister's ex-husband has it and it has completely contorted his facial features. A co-worker got it and it affected his speech. In his case, the condition improved over time. Bodybuilder Andreas Cahling has Bell's palsy. He was a handsome man before he was stricken with it. It really messed up his looks.

(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Andreas-no11.jpg)  (https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Andreas-no19.jpg)

Four cases of Bell’s Palsy (partial facial paralysis) were also not considered to necessarily be caused by the vaccine but the symptom will be under surveillance when the vaccine is distributed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns/fact-check-clarifying-claims-around-pfizer-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Fortress on December 11, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
Mayor Smith has a strong muscular foundation.


(https://i.postimg.cc/VvLSYdYd/graydon.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
As per the link that you just posted, I am legally exempt from wearing a mask.

And yes - I'm used to standing up for my rights.  And winning when I do.

Any other questions?

Why are you exempt? Is it because you're in the Autism  spectrum? I actually wondered if this might be the case. If it is, why were you charged with trespassing. Is it because the trespassing had nothing to do with you not wearing a mask?  Can't private concerns, i.e. issue a no trespassing order for whatever reason they want i.e. not wearing a mask unless it's viewed as racial or sex discrimination?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Four cases of Bell’s Palsy (partial facial paralysis) were also not considered to necessarily be caused by the vaccine but the symptom will be under surveillance when the vaccine is distributed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns/fact-check-clarifying-claims-around-pfizer-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6

The figure cited in the article I posted earlier was that the average rate of Bell's palsy was 20 per 100,000.  I'm assuming these are lifetime figures - so...1 in 5,000, over the course of a full lifetime.

In the case of the vaccine, we have four cases of Bell's palsy out of 38,000 vaccine recipients, which is 1 in 9,500.  That number wouldn't be alarming if it was over the course of their entire life, but for them to take the Pfizer vaccine, and get Bell's palsy literally a day or days later...doesn't that seem FISHY to you?

I consider it very FISHY.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 03:42:34 PM
Why are you exempt? Is it because you're in the Autism  spectrum? I actually wondered if this might be the case. If it is, why were you charged with trespassing. Is it because the trespassing had nothing to do with you not wearing a mask?  Can't private concerns, i.e. issue a no trespassing order for whatever reason they want i.e. not wearing a mask unless it's viewed as racial or sex discrimination?

Yes, it is an autism spectrum-based exemption, and it is covered under the Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2005, and the Ontario Human Rights Code.

It's legally equivalent to trespassing someone for being in a wheelchair.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 11, 2020, 03:52:57 PM
Bell's palsy is no joke. My sister's ex-husband has it and it has completely contorted his facial features. A co-worker got it and it affected his speech. In his case, the condition improved over time. Bodybuilder Andreas Cahling has Bell's palsy. He was a handsome man before he was stricken with it. It really messed up his looks.


My old training partner used to train with Cahling. He said Cahling used to fall asleep on the benches between sets from GHB. They'd wake him up and he'd go the bathroom to snort more coke and continue with the workout.
After a night out partying Cahling jabbed a Sustanon in his lat and said it was the best hangover cure.

Found this with a google search just now:

Quote
I read on the internet that I had a stroke in the past. This is false. I never had a stroke.

I did have a very unusual tumor removed from a facial nerve about 10 years ago. It grew real close to my brain so I opted for surgical removal. This is one reason why my face looks as it does today. I have never suffered physically before or after the surgery.

For many years I was misdiagnosed as having a facial paralysis (Bell's Palsy)

Very grateful and happy just to be alive and feeling great. Facing my face does not face me!

-Andreas Cahling   
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2020, 03:53:58 PM
The figure cited in the article I posted earlier was that the average rate of Bell's palsy was 20 per 100,000.  I'm assuming these are lifetime figures - so...1 in 5,000, over the course of a full lifetime.

In the case of the vaccine, we have four cases of Bell's palsy out of 38,000 vaccine recipients, which is 1 in 9,500.  That number wouldn't be alarming if it was over the course of their entire life, but for them to take the Pfizer vaccine, and get Bell's palsy literally a day or days later...doesn't that seem FISHY to you?

I consider it very FISHY.

Definitely fishy enough to give one pause. I doubt any of these Covid-19 will be mandated anytime soon. But, you never know. Many people are panic stricken over this virus. I'm not one of them. I'm just being cautious when I wear a mask in public. It is such an easy step to take. I can see no downside to it. At first, it made me uncomfortable, but I've become so used to it that I forget to take it off after I leave a place requiring one. The other day I drove home and was in the house before I realized I was still wearing the mask. It's still a nuisance because the straps get caught in my hearing aids when I'm removing it and my glasses fog up if it cold outside and specially when entering a heated building.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
My old training partner used to train with Cahling. He said Cahling used to fall asleep on the benches between sets from GHB. They'd wake him up and he'd go the bathroom to snort more coke and continue with the workout.
After a night out partying Cahling jabbed a Sustanon in his lat and said it was the best hangover cure.

Interesting stories about Cahling. I think I'll pass on his hangover cure. Lucky me, I don't get hangovers anyway.

Apparently, Cahling had a facial tumor which when removed caused nerve damage in his face. So my mistake, he didn't have Bell's palsy after all. Bell's palsy causes nerve damage which can produce the same results depending on how bad the damage to the nerves is.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 11, 2020, 04:09:19 PM
Interesting stories about Cahling. I think I'll pass on his hangover cure. Lucky me, I don't get hangovers anyway.



I think he's a huge weed advocate these days. Also loves the sun, as in tanning, I seem to remember him not believing it's dangerous to fry in the sun :D Well, he's lasted a long time, perfect health he says.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Taffin on December 11, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
My old training partner used to train with Cahling. He said Cahling used to fall asleep on the benches between sets from GHB. They'd wake him up and he'd go the bathroom to snort more coke and continue with the workout.
After a night out partying Cahling jabbed a Sustanon in his lat and said it was the best hangover cure.

Cool, what's Cahling's GetBig handle..?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 11, 2020, 07:09:10 PM
White House threatens FDA chief's job over vaccine approval
 ::)

Rush the Fucboi serums to market or else!
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 10:02:19 PM
THE FOLLOWING IS MY LONG REPLY TO PRIMEMUSCLE - IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO LONG, PLEASE DON'T READ IT [TO PRIMEMUSCLE: I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU READ IT]:

Definitely fishy enough to give one pause. I doubt any of these Covid-19 will be mandated anytime soon. But, you never know. Many people are panic stricken over this virus. I'm not one of them. I'm just being cautious when I wear a mask in public. It is such an easy step to take. I can see no downside to it. At first, it made me uncomfortable, but I've become so used to it that I forget to take it off after I leave a place requiring one. The other day I drove home and was in the house before I realized I was still wearing the mask. It's still a nuisance because the straps get caught in my hearing aids when I'm removing it and my glasses fog up if it cold outside and specially when entering a heated building.

I agree it's an easy step.  Evidence I've read indicates that wearing a mask will reduce droplet size, and thus reduce virus particle transmission - specifically, wearing a new, CLEAN mask, that is replaced after use, and ideally an N95 mask by 3M, which offers the greatest protection, to both for the wearer, and to others.

I see men with giant beards wear thin paper masks, and many people never change their mask.  I drove my friend to the liquor store, and asked if I had a mask.  I had a filthy one that was collecting bacteria near the cupholder.  He put it on, and went in.  What good are masks if most people aren't even taking mask hygiene seriously, and most are wearing the cheap slim masks, as opposed to the much more effective N95 masks?

If masks REALLY mattered, wouldn't governments provide unlimited free 3M N95 masks, given how much their spending on COVID?  As it is, I could go to the crafts section of the dollar store, hook two elastic bands through a small piece of light blue construction paper with glue, and use it as a mask.

That's why this doesn't make any sense, Prime - and it's not supposed to.  It's about the slow demolition of the global economy while making the world's elite billions of dollars richer.: the global economy has sustained over $10 trillion in damage so far, while the 2,604 global billionaires have increased their combined net wealth by over $1 trillion, reaching a combined net wealth of, coincidentally, also over $10 trillion.

Does that sound fair to you?

The thing about centre-leftists like yourself is that you don't weigh the costs with the benefits of any given policy.  You support unions [obviously, as a lifetime union worker], yet you're posting from an electronic device made in China from near slave labour, and don't see the contradiction.  You care about the environment, yet pollute 4-5x or more than the average global citizen, and don't see the contradiction.

I'm not trying to convince you to favour capitalism - I'm telling you that you already ARE a capitalist and a right-winger without even realizing it.  You and I are not unalike - you just don't know it, or won't acknowledge it.

How about this, Prime - do you have any comments on this?:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32335196

Or how about this: how do you feel about the case of Nancy Russell, a 90-year-old Canadian woman who chose to be euthanized with her family by her side, because she couldn't face another lockdown?:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140

Or how about this: a grieving mother in England who lost her husband, whose sons were not allowed to hug her during the funeral of her husband [their father]:



^ Is that acceptable to you?  I realize that a strict economic argument won't convince you, so I'm forced to make an emotional one.

But speaking economically, how do you feel about Canada reaching $1 billion daily in deficit spending this year, acquiring more debt in one year than in the past 30 years combined?  The average person dying of COVID is 84.8 years old, with 2-3 underlying health issues, and according to actuarial statistics, over 50% of those who die of COVID are within the last 6-18 months of their lives.  Meanwhile, $1 billion can provide $1 million in healthcare to 1,000 Canadians each day, which could extend the lives of those Canadians by decades through things like organ transplants or state-of-the-art surgeries.  Or $1 billion could be used to build 10 new hospitals daily at a cost of $100 million per hospital [or four new much larger hospitals daily at a cost of $250 million per hospital].

Do you see how we could potentially save far more people with the amount of money we are spending on COVID, but instead, we are seeing the biggest wave of bankruptcies and wealth loss in the small and medium enterprise sector, while Jeff Bezos and the Walton family [the founder of Amazon, and the Wal-Mart family], have increased their net wealth by over $100 billion during the greatest recession in history, second only to The Great Depression?  Is that fair to you?

You say it's "Just wear a mask", and make it sound like there's nothing more to consider.  But in light of the above information, do you see how this matter is much more nuanced than that?

You think right-wingers like me are just refusing to wear masks for no reason, and don't care about others - in reality, ever since age 21 [2003] when my dad's friend told me that his dad died at age 104 in an elderly care home in 2000 because of a flu that circulated, I have self-isolated every time that I got sick, to prevent others from getting sick.  Furthermore, I had not gotten sick since 2014, and was worried my immune system was not getting any "exercise", so last February [16th], I decided to expose myself to the sickest person I knew - my girlfriend at the time.  Given the symptoms and the length of time I got sick, I strongly believe I had COVID.  If so, I would now have COVID antibodies which would benefit society through exposure, and help us reach herd immunity to the virus.

Instead, I had the police called on me for simply asserting my legally protected rights, because apparently even the police [and some lawyers] don't understand the law in Ontario, which is objectively clear on laws surrounding masks.

ONTARIO LAW SURROUNDING FACE MASKS & EXEMPTIONS:

LINK #1: Thunder Bay Mask Mandate - and Exemptions (https://www.tbdhu.com/mandatorymasksFAQs)

LINK #2: Ontario Government Face Mask Exemptions (https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#section-1)

LINK #2: Ontario Human Rights Commission [Face Mask Exemptions - See #13] (http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/covid-19-and-ontario%E2%80%99s-human-rights-code-%E2%80%93-questions-and-answers)

Is that where you want society to head?  Arresting people who are not even sick, who [in my case, if I did get COVID, as I suspect] would actually help by spreading COVID antibodies to others?

Do you see no danger in going down a road where we arrest innocent people who aren't even sick, because they could be "asymptomatic carriers"?  Do you think it's rational to be afraid of a virus that people need to be tested for to even know they have?

Now that we know that COVID is not the global plague we feared, do you think the response to this pandemic is proportional, or comes without any tradeoffs?  Do you see why I don't subscribe to the concept of "Just wear a mask", because I have spent four months researching this virus, its mortality rate, its spread, and have performed a cost/benefit analysis, and think the measures taken to stop COVID are far more damaging than the virus itself?

Rather than stereotype me as a clouded supremacist who is just being belligerent for the sake of it, do you see how I have reasons for feeling as I do?

Also Prime - prior to the controlled mass media, and the new and emerging heavily censored and controlled social media telling you to wear a mask, why didn't you wear one?  Why did you circulate potential illness to others for the years - decades even - before the TV told you to start wearing a mask?

Why do you drive a car?  Why do you buy products that are produced in factories in China, some of which require nets around its perimeter to prevent workers from jumping to their deaths due to poor working conditions?  Every day in our lives, we put others at risk with the actions we take - what makes COVID different, especially after being around for over a year now, when we have firm data on who is dying from it or becoming seriously ill?

Is it wrong of me to think that in light of the information we now have, we should strongly consider the economic damage we are causing by the measures we are taking to deal with COVID, and the problems and deaths those measures will cause?

Is it wrong of me to think that we should direct resources to those most vulnerable to COVID, while allowing the rest of us to carry on with our lives, be economically productive, and thus generate the means and resources necessary to save the people who are actually at risk, rather than continue to peddle fear for people in age demographics who are far more likely to be hit by a car, or even be struck by lightning?

Do you see how not everyone you write off as a Trump-supporting White Supremacist is the stereotype you perceive them to be?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 11, 2020, 10:46:08 PM
Holy fuck, this retard just can’t fucking act normal for even a few minutes.

 ::)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 11:03:45 PM
Holy fuck, this retard just can’t fucking act normal for even a few minutes.

 ::)

I put a trigger warning in that post, in case you missed it.

I'll use a larger font next time, so as not to alarm you.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 11, 2020, 11:08:40 PM
I put a trigger warning in that post, in case you missed it.

I'll use a larger font next time, so as not to alarm you.

Okay Corky.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2020, 11:55:29 PM
Okay Corky.

You know your post where you told me your businesses would be ok, and that this will basically just pass?

I don't think you're wrong.  You're probably right.  I hope you're right.

But it's just not sinking in.

If this goes on for another 18 months, I can't fathom any tenants paying me.  If that happens, I'm basically screwed.  I could sell my assets and live off that, but I would prefer being paid residually.

I guess I'm overthinking this.  But I just feel that in 18 months, my income will be gone, with three kids to feed.  That's why I feel so strongly about this.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Primemuscle on December 12, 2020, 12:17:34 AM
THE FOLLOWING IS MY LONG REPLY TO PRIMEMUSCLE - IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO LONG, PLEASE DON'T READ IT [TO PRIMEMUSCLE: I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU READ IT]:

I agree that it's an easy step - and my intuition tells me that wearing a mask [a new, CLEAN mask, that is replaced after each use - and ideally an N95 mask by 3M, which offers the greatest protection, both for the mask-wearer, and others] will reduce droplet size, and thus reduce virus particle transmission/spread.

I also see people wear dinky cloth masks with giant beards sticking out, and I know multiple people who don't change their mask ever.  I drove my friend to the LCBO [Ontario's liquor store chain], and he forgot his mask, and asked if I had one.  I had a filthy piece of sh*t mask that was either near the cupholder area or on the floor of the front passenger side.  He took it and put it on, and went in.  Exactly what good are masks doing if most people aren't even taking mask hygiene seriously, and the overwhelming majority are wearing the cheap slim masks, as opposed to the much more effective N95 masks?

And if masks REALLY mattered - and since we're blowing TRILLIONS of dollars globally fighting COVID, wouldn't providing unlimited free 3M N95 masks make sense?  As it is now, I could literally go to the crafts section of the dollar store, and hook two elastic bands through a rectangular piece of light blue construction paper with glue, and use it as a mask, without anyone even noticing.

That's why this doesn't make any sense - and it's not supposed to make sense, Prime.  It's about slowly demolishing the global economy while making the world's elite billions of dollars richer.  Case in point: the global economy has sustained at least $10 trillion in damage so far, while the 2,604 global billionaires have increased their combined net wealth by over $1 trillion, recently hitting a combined net wealth between them of, coincidentally, also $10 trillion.

Does that sound fair to you?

See, the thing about liberals like yourself is that you don't weigh the costs with the benefits of any given policy.  You support unions [obviously, as a lifetime union worker], yet you're posting from an electronic device made in China from near slave labour, and don't see the contradiction there.  You care about environmental degradation and climate change, yet pollute 4-5x or more than the average global citizen, and don't see the contradiction there.

I'm not trying to convince you to favour capitalism - I'm telling you that you already ARE a capitalist and a right-winger without even realizing it.  You and I are really not alike - you just don't know it, and won't ever acknowledge it.

How about this, Prime - do you have any comments on this?:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32335196

Or how about this, Prime - do you have an opinion on Nancy Russell, a 90-year-old Canadian woman who chose to be euthanized with her family by her side, because she couldn't go on with another lockdown?:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140

Or how about this - a grieving mother in England who lost her husband, whose sons were not allowed to hug her during the funeral of her husband [their father]:



^ Is that acceptable to you, Prime?  I realize that a strict economic argument won't work for you, so I'm forced to make an emotional one.

But economically, how do you feel about Canada spending over $1 billion daily in deficit spending this year, acquiring more debt in one year than in the past 30 years combined?  The average person dying of COVID is 84.8 years old, with 2-3 underlying health issues, and according to actuarial statistics, over 50% of those who die of COVID are within the last 6-18 months of their lives.  Meanwhile, the $1 billion can provide 1,000 Canadians each day with $1 million in healthcare which could extend the lives of those 1,000 Canadians by decades through things like organ transplants or state-of-the-art surgeries, or could be used to build 10 new hospitals daily at a cost of $100 million per hospital [or four new hospitals daily at a cost of $250 million each].

Do you see how we could be saving far more people with the amount of money we are spending on COVID, but instead, we are seeing the biggest wave of bankruptcies and wealth loss in the small and medium enterprise sector, while Jeff Bezos and the Walton family [the founder of Amazon, and the Wal-Mart family], have increased their net wealth by over $100 billion during the greatest recession in history, second only to The Great Depression.

You say it's "Just wear a mask", and when you say it like that - you make it sound like there's nothing more to this than that.  But in light of the above information, do you see how this matter is much more complicated than that?

You think right-wingers like me are just refusing to wear masks for no reason, and don't care about others - in reality, ever since age 21 [2003] when my dad's friend told me that his dad died at age 104 in an elderly care home because of a flu that circulated, I have self-isolated every time that I got sick, to prevent others from getting sick.  Furthermore, I had not gotten sick since 2014, and was worried my immune system was not getting any "exercise", so last February [16th], I decided to expose myself to the sickest person I knew - my girlfriend at the time.  Given the symptoms, and the length of time I got sick, I strongly believe I got COVID.  What that means is that it is very likely I beat COVID, and now have COVID antibodies which would benefit society if I exposed others to them, which would help us to gain herd immunity towards COVID.

Instead, I had the police called on me for simply asserting my legally protected rights, because apparently even the police [and some lawyers] don't understand the law in Ontario, which is objectively clear on laws surrounding masks.

ONTARIO LAW SURROUNDING FACE MASKS & EXEMPTIONS:

LINK #1: Thunder Bay Mask Mandate - and Exemptions (https://www.tbdhu.com/mandatorymasksFAQs)

LINK #2: Ontario Government Face Mask Exemptions (https://www.ontario.ca/page/face-coverings-and-face-masks#section-1)

LINK #2: Ontario Human Rights Commission [Face Mask Exemptions - See #13] (http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/covid-19-and-ontario%E2%80%99s-human-rights-code-%E2%80%93-questions-and-answers)

Is that where you want society to head?  Arresting people who are not even sick, who are [in my case, if I did get COVID in February, as I suspect] would actually help society by spreading COVID antibodies and helping humans reach herd immunity to this virus?

Do you see no danger in going down a road where we arrest innocent people who aren't even sick, because they could be "asymptomatic carriers"?  Do you think it's rational to be afraid of a virus that people need to be tested for to even know they have?

Ultimately, my question is - now that we know that COVID is not the global plague we initially feared, do you think the response to this pandemic is proportional, or comes without any tradeoffs?  Do you see why I don't subscribe to the concept of "Just wear a mask", because I have spent months researching this virus, its mortality rate, and its spread, and done a cost/benefit analysis, and think the cure being implemented is worse than the disease itself?

Rather than stereotype me as a clouded supremacist who is just being belligerent just for the sake of it, do you see how I have reasons for feeling the way I do?

But here's my question, Prime:

Prior to the controlled mass media, and the new and emerging heavily censored and controlled social media telling you to wear a mask, why didn't you wear a mask prior to being told to?  Why did you have no problem circulating potential illness to others for the years - decades even - before the TV told you to start wearing a mask?

Why do you drive a car?  Why do you buy products that are produced in factories in China, some of which require nets around its perimeter to prevent workers from committing suicide?  Every day in our lives, we put others at risk with the actions we take - what makes COVID different, after being around for over a year now, when we have firm data on who is dying or becoming seriously ill from it?

Is it wrong of me to think that in light of the information we now have, we should strongly consider the economic damage we are causing by the measures we are taking to deal with COVID, and the problems and deaths we will cause by taking these measures?

Is it wrong of me to think that we should seek a proportional solution to this pandemic that seeks to direct resources to the most vulnerable in our society, while allowing the rest of us to carry on with our lives, be economically productive, and thus generate the means and resources necessary to save the people who are actually at risk, rather than continue to peddle fear for people in age demographics who are far more likely to be hit by a car, or even be struck by lightning?

Do you see how not everyone you write off as a Trump-supporting White Supremacist is the stereotype you perceive them to be?

Wow Matt, when you decide to make an all encompassing post you sure don't hold back one iota.

I'm honestly not sure how to reply to this so that it makes any sense and doesn't ramble into so many other areas. But being me, I am going to try....fool that I am.

Let me start with what I think I was talking about, which is the simplicity of wearing a mask. First of all, I agree with you that people fake wear masks all the time. Let's look at bodybuilding contest videos (you know, just to keep it bodybuilding related), since all this started. Yeah the contestants are wearing masks....mostly around necks. Like how many germs is anyone's neck going to spread....hint....almost none.

I went to the store tonight, the clerk was wearing a bandanna (handkerchief) over his mouth but not his nose. Like, what the fuck? I first entered the store forgetting to put on a mask (which, by the way I have not washed since I cannot remember when). Knowing I couldn't get served (it's a state owned liquor store) I quickly ran back to the car and threw on my mask. Made my purchase from the other clerk who was properly wearing her mask, and left. This took all of about 5 minutes.

Matt, there are tons of excuses for not wearing a mask. You've brought up a lot of them in your response to me. Have I mentioned that I have issues with both claustrophobia and asthma? Obviously, wearing a mask was a real problem for me and sometimes still it is. I could probably get away with not wearing one by simply stating this when questioned or given a dirty look by some passerby or I guess wearing a sign stating it to avoid having to explain it verbally. I could do this, but somehow it seems like more work than just throwing the rag over my mouth and nose for a few minutes.

I almost digressed, but I deleted that part even though it was pertinent to this conversation, because I don't want to do what you do which is layer one issue on top of another.  Sorry. I'll just say you have a history of getting yourself into trouble because of you fervent need to express your sometimes antisocial beliefs in a hostile way.

Care to answer my previous question as to why you were charged (once again) with tresspassing?

I'd like to leave this on an up note, so I will share something I've talked about before. The first year I  worked at the elementary school which is a germ factory, as are they all, it seemed like I had a cold every other month. The next year, I'd built up some immunity to children's virus laden snot which ends up contaminating every surface throughout the building. I also learned to wash my hands constantly, which probably helped me stay healthier. So yeah, exposure can be a good thing if it makes you immune to later infections. Covid-19 just arrived on the scene less than a year ago. Nobody knows for sure how it works or how to best protect ourselves from the more serious possible consequences of contracting it.

I am old. I am in the right age bracket for having serious and perhaps deadly consequences should I catch Covid-19. But heck, people my age die everyday from one thing or another (just check the obits). And honestly, I've had a great life and I am okay with the idea that I could die any day. I've experienced the loss of many people I love, including my best and oldest friend who just recently passed with out letting me know (what a jerk), which hit me pretty hard since he was a contemporary and not an elder. I am definitely not afraid of dying. We all do it at some point.

Oops, there is a bunch of other good stuff you went into that I have not responded to here, but hey, it is almost midnight and frankly I'm a bit tired. Got to get my beauty sleep....not that it seems to be working very well these days. Also, being a senior, I can only handle so much in one session without losing track of what I want to say. As for anything Trump...well, I think that's over now, thank goodness. Maybe we can move on. I really hope so. The last four years has been very unhealthy and stressful for many of us. In my case, there has been no other time in my long, long life that politics was so consuming. 

I'll leave you with this, Matt, Matt, Matt, stop making everything some kind of political issue or treat it as a personal attack on your personal beliefs. Trust me, relax and enjoy your sweet kids, the baby moms and the rest of you family and friends. Our time here is short. Wear a fucking filthy mask or don't, it's no skin off my back. But just don't expect me to give you a hug when you don't have one on....okay maybe one hug just because we've known each other for so long....but that's all....I wouldn't want to give you Covid-19....not that I have it....but the point is you never know, right?

Be good Matt. Wear the filthy worthless mask if it keeps you out of trouble. It just isn't something worth making a fuss over. There are bigger fish to fry. Any Thunderbay strongman competitions coming up? That's were you really shine, IMO.

 
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 12, 2020, 02:13:46 AM
FuiBoi statistics state, it takes 70% vaccinated to reach Herd Immunity.  I'm more than comfortable being apart of the 30% if I have no critical underlying conditions which could put my life in jeopardy.

FuiBoi Govt Rushed, Inadequately Tested, FucBoi Vaccine! 
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 12, 2020, 02:30:05 AM
Wall Street projects Pfizer and Moderna will rake in $32 BILLION in COVID-19 vaccine sales in 2021 alone

It's about health and properly tested vaccines, not Fucboi Profits!

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 12, 2020, 04:48:18 AM
I actually read matts post, as I thought he may have been trailing off into delusion in it (which would have entertained me thoroughly)  but tbh it's one of his better posts...

Especially the first half I must say made total sense to me and I agree!
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 06:28:43 AM
Care to answer my previous question as to why you were charged (once again) with tresspassing?

I read your full post, and I'm on board with it, so I don't have much to say because it's not as if I disagree with much of it, or any of it, really.

I quoted this portion, so that I will remember to respond to it later [it's almost 9:30am here, and I was up all night again, aside from falling asleep by my laptop for a few hours].  I also didn't want to quote your full post because I didn't want to throw Walter Sobchak into a rage.  But I will answer your question when I get back to here later.  FYI, you will live to 90 or older.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 06:32:30 AM
I actually read matts post, as I thought he may have been trailing off into delusion in it (which would have entertained me thoroughly)  but tbh it's one of his better posts...

Especially the first half I must say made total sense to me and I agree!

Thanks harmankardon1!  I've just about come to accept that I will never be able to write short posts...but I have one idea that might work: post on Getbig from a smartphone.  Small virtual keyboards slow me town, and I can't fathom writing posts anywhere near as long on such a keyboard compared to the posts I write from a computer or laptop keyboard.

This may well - after four years of being aware of this issue, and wishing to resolve it - finally put it to rest, for the grief reduction of everyone else on here, forced to endure my posts.  8)

Basically, my posts here are the equivalent of inviting a Getbigger to my house for lunch, and dunking my ball sack in his tea.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: chaos on December 12, 2020, 07:42:15 AM
2019 = 22,000 up to 64,000 flu deaths
2020 = 298,000 Around 20,000 actual covid deaths

Shitty comparison
And the flu has a vaccine with decades of research.... :-\
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: TheGrinch on December 12, 2020, 07:47:53 AM
If a vaccine they invented for COVID is "95% effective" as claimed


Why would you need 70% of the population to get it as during the "testing phase" that most certainly didn't take place and was therefore "95% effective" as soon as 1 person got it for that person.



No?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 12, 2020, 08:41:15 AM
You know your post where you told me your businesses would be ok, and that this will basically just pass?

I don't think you're wrong.  You're probably right.  I hope you're right.

But it's just not sinking in.

If this goes on for another 18 months, I can't fathom any tenants paying me.  If that happens, I'm basically screwed.  I could sell my assets and live off that, but I would prefer being paid residually.

I guess I'm overthinking this.  But I just feel that in 18 months, my income will be gone, with three kids to feed.  That's why I feel so strongly about this.

Do you remember my post where I said I don’t give a fuck about your delusional, self-centered, attention-whoring rantings on any topic?

I still don’t.

No one cares about your Aspy opinions. No one cares whether you can reconcile to wear a mask or not. No one cares that you have no tangible job skills and can’t afford to feed the illegitimate children you brought into this world.

Instead of obsessing over the cleanliness of some stupid mask, why don’t you work on this homework assignment for a few months:

(1) Ask yourself, “why am I not normal and why am I such a total fuckup?”

(2) What am you going to do to become normal and how will you change to become less of a total fuckup?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 12, 2020, 08:41:40 AM
If a vaccine they invented for COVID is "95% effective" as claimed


Why would you need 70% of the population to get it as during the "testing phase" that most certainly didn't take place and was therefore "95% effective" as soon as 1 person got it for that person.



No?

Not sure I exactly get what you mean, but 70% would need vaccinating in a country like New Zealand where very few people have had covid.

In the US roughly 30% of the population will have had covid by spring 2021 so only 40% would need vaccinating. The problem however is knowing who already has immunity through natural infection and who doesn't. Given that uncertainty a 55% vaccine uptake will likely achieve the same outcome as the 70% vaccine uptake in NZ.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 02:25:50 PM
Do you remember my post where I said I don’t give a fuck about your delusional, self-centered, attention-whoring rantings on any topic?

I still don’t.

No one cares about your Aspy opinions. No one cares whether you can reconcile to wear a mask or not. No one cares that you have no tangible job skills and can’t afford to feed the illegitimate children you brought into this world.

Instead of obsessing over the cleanliness of some stupid mask, why don’t you work on this homework assignment for a few months:

(1) Ask yourself, “why am I not normal and why am I such a total fuckup?”

(2) What am you going to do to become normal and how will you change to become less of a total fuckup?

Lol, bro, dude - WAKE THE FUCK UP.

This isn't about my opinion - I'm asking you about your opinion here.  My question is about YOU.  Not about me.

I realize that in your world, everywhere has eight years of university education, bench presses 405+, has millions [or billions] of dollars in savings, etc, but that is not how it is here in Canada.

My living - for the past 11 years now comfortably, and 15 years as a partial income - is renting houses.  YouTube and online bodybuilding stuff too, but I'm not concerned about the internet collapsing [maybe a little].

I have 4.5 years of university education, and a STEM background.  If I HAD to get a job, I guess I'd suck it up and get one.  Frankly, I'd rather be in PRISON than to have a boss in the current politically correct, woke culture.

Ontario has already frozen rent increases for 2021.  Next what?  Is the government going to make it illegal for landlords to evict tenants until "Two weeks to flatten the curve!" ends?  Then what?

My question was just what makes you so confident that we will get through this.  That's all.

You sound like a liberal in terms of how you're not worried about the economics of all this.  No offense.  I'm just saying you sound like one, but since I know you're not, I was curious what YOU think about the post-COVID economy.  My post was never about me.  I was just curious what drives your optimism.

I'm sorry for offending you.  I've been trying to include trigger warnings for that reason.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
Primemuscle - check this video out, about current events in your city.  I would PM this to you, but I think some other Getbiggers may be interested in this too.  Did your city actually almost elect an outright communist mayor?  ???

This is what I mean about feeling so pessimistic about the future.  It's only a matter of time before this social unrest spills over into Canada.  It may be next year, it may be 2030, but I would guarantee that it will be somewhere in that range, before this starts happening in Canada too:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: BossBoss on December 12, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
He said Cahling used to fall asleep on the benches between sets from GHB.

Yes, GHB was big around bodybuilders in germany.
It was suposed to release growth hormone, but it failed in doing so :)

Highly addicting stuff, but also great, if you do to much you go to sleep (sometimes forever).
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 12, 2020, 03:27:59 PM
Yes, it is an autism spectrum-based exemption, and it is covered under the Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2005, and the Ontario Human Rights Code.

It's legally equivalent to trespassing someone for being in a wheelchair.

Kinda. But by appealing to The Rules, you legitimize the authority of The Rules and those who make them.

The correct answer to "You have to do what we say!" is not "But you already made this other rule, Master." The correct answer is "Go fuck yourself. I don't recognize the autocratic authority you pretend to have where any old shit you make up is suddenly a law."
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 03:47:21 PM
Kinda. But by appealing to The Rules, you legitimize the authority of The Rules and those who make them.

The correct answer to "You have to do what we say!" is not "But you already made this other rule, Master." The correct answer is "Go fuck yourself. I don't recognize the autocratic authority you pretend to have where any old shit you make up is suddenly a law."

Good point - and I see what you mean.  I wouldn't say that I'm an anarchist or anything like that.  Nor would I say I agree with every law on the book.

But this particular law, and the ones surrounding disabilities, I agree with.  In Canada, not only are you not allowed to discriminate against someone on the basis of disability, you don't have the right to ask them about their disability either, which to me makes sense.

The example I used to a female friend I was talking to about this was this:

What if we lived in a world where a person could refuse you entry into a store if you had menstrual cramps, and you have to legally answer any questions about them.  There is a reason why in Canada you aren't allowed to ask people about medical conditions, because if that law wasn't on the books, there would be flagrant privacy violations like that happening all the time.

^ That covers the part of the law surrounding not being legally allowed to ask about disabilities.  Regarding the part of the law that allows for mask exemptions, well - what if a person has a broken arm, and an injury to his rotator cuff, making it extremely painful [if not impossible] for him to put on a mask by himself without the assistance of others - this is an example of why Canadian law allows exemptions for those unable to put the mask on by themselves.

I completely understand your point about agreeing with one aspect of the law while attempting to fight the law, but that's because current Canadian law is on my side, and I think current Canadian law makes sense.

I'm not opposed to laws in general or anything.

All over the world right now, we have governments at all levels breaking the laws - the most shocking to me is how this is happening in the USA, which has the strongest constitution in the world.  And it all concerns me very much.

If we don't start pushing back now, where will this all lead?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 12, 2020, 05:33:02 PM
I can't go along with that. Not being allowed to ask someone a question. Not being allowed to decide who you want to deal with and who you want to reject. Making asking someone a question illegal is absurd.

Similarly absurd is compelled action. A cop pointing a gun at a baker's head saying "Now make those faggotts a cake."

But the most ridiculous is the notion of being permitted to do something, as if you couldn't do anything by virtue of your natural agency before someone else told you what you had 'a right' to do. You might be permitted, if you're lucky, to sit in your own living room and smoke a joint. Gee, thanks. You are permitted to make an agreement with someone about how much to pay them for a ride to the airport, even if they don't have a taxi license, but only they're a registered Uber representative. Otherwise, you may not. Thanks a lot. I guess that seems fair.

I'm not an anarchist either, Matt, but neither am I a child who needs his actions and interactions micromanaged by intrusive control freaks.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 12, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
Just to belabor the dead horse

Remember that obnoxious kid from the playground who told everyone what they had to do. "Noooo, you stepped in The Poison Circle. Now you have to be a donkey! That's the rule!" ...What? When was that a rule? And how does it make any sense?

That's him. It's the same asshole guy, except now he's a mayor or a senator. He deserved a punch in the nose then and he deserves a punch in the nose now.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 12, 2020, 06:44:52 PM
Lol, bro, dude - WAKE THE FUCK UP.

This isn't about my opinion - I'm asking you about your opinion here.  My question is about YOU.  Not about me.

I realize that in your world, everywhere has eight years of university education, bench presses 405+, has millions [or billions] of dollars in savings, etc, but that is not how it is here in Canada.

My living - for the past 11 years now comfortably, and 15 years as a partial income - is renting houses.  YouTube and online bodybuilding stuff too, but I'm not concerned about the internet collapsing [maybe a little].

I have 4.5 years of university education, and a STEM background.  If I HAD to get a job, I guess I'd suck it up and get one.  Frankly, I'd rather be in PRISON than to have a boss in the current politically correct, woke culture.

Ontario has already frozen rent increases for 2021.  Next what?  Is the government going to make it illegal for landlords to evict tenants until "Two weeks to flatten the curve!" ends?  Then what?

My question was just what makes you so confident that we will get through this.  That's all.

You sound like a liberal in terms of how you're not worried about the economics of all this.  No offense.  I'm just saying you sound like one, but since I know you're not, I was curious what YOU think about the post-COVID economy.  My post was never about me.  I was just curious what drives your optimism.

I'm sorry for offending you.  I've been trying to include trigger warnings for that reason.

Matt, maybe I’m not being clear enough for your simple mind to comprehend.

You are trying to carry on a dialogue with me.

I’m not engaging, because nothing you have to say interests me.

If you had even the smallest inkling of how the world worked, I still wouldn’t care what you think.

You asked about the post-COVID economy and why I’m not worried that much. Simply put, because just like the pre-COVID economy, the smartest people, the hardest workers, and those willing to make the necessary sacrifices will be fine. The others won’t. The rich will get richer and the poor will get shit on. Sorry that doesn’t conform to your Aspy view on life, but as I said.... I don’t give a fuck.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
I can't go along with that. Not being allowed to ask someone a question. Not being allowed to decide who you want to deal with and who you want to reject. Making asking someone a question illegal is absurd.

Similarly absurd is compelled action. A cop pointing a gun at a baker's head saying "Now make those faggotts a cake."

But the most ridiculous is the notion of being permitted to do something, as if you couldn't do anything by virtue of your natural agency before someone else told you what you had 'a right' to do. You might be permitted, if you're lucky, to sit in your own living room and smoke a joint. Gee, thanks. You are permitted to make an agreement with someone about how much to pay them for a ride to the airport, even if they don't have a taxi license, but only they're a registered Uber representative. Otherwise, you may not. Thanks a lot. I guess that seems fair.

I'm not an anarchist either, Matt, but neither am I a child who needs his actions and interactions micromanaged by intrusive control freaks.

I get a libertarian sense from your post.  And I actually used to feel exactly the same, and it's not that I necessarily reject my previous views [views I am getting the impression you currently have]...let's just say that I'm not opposed to laws accommodating disabilities and certain balancing of interests as it relates to simultaneously protecting individual privacy rights.

If someone wants to make a Men's Club, what seems to be the problem with that?  As long as women are allowed to make a similar business for themselves, what's the problem?

So...after contemplating your post, I do think you make a good point.  And I'll be the first to admit - social justice laws accommodating everyone and their dog annoy me.  And as an autistic, I don't need nor want the state "helping" me by creating laws that force others to accommodate me.  I'll take care of myself, thanks.

That being said...with COVID measures, I feel that "Just wear a mask" can become "Just get the vaccine" pretty quickly, and I don't think "Just show proof of your vaccination status before being allowed to do basically anything" is that out of the realm of possibility.

And that's my concern right now.

As Fortress said, if it ends at having to wear a mask to go get some eggs, fine.  But I think tres_taco_combo's thinking that the vaccine could basically be mandatory in the practical sense [if not by law] is a real possibility, and that definitely concerns me.

Time will tell, I guess.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 07:10:53 PM
Matt, maybe I’m not being clear enough for your simple mind to comprehend.

You are trying to carry on a dialogue with me.

I’m not engaging, because nothing you have to say interests me.

If you had even the smallest inkling of how the world worked, I still wouldn’t care what you think.

You asked about the post-COVID economy and why I’m not worried that much. Simply put, because just like the pre-COVID economy, the smartest people, the hardest workers, and those willing to make the necessary sacrifices will be fine. The others won’t. The rich will get richer and the poor will get shit on. Sorry that doesn’t conform to your Aspy view on life, but as I said.... I don’t give a fuck.

Well yeah, I'm trying to get to the source of your optimism on the matter [or at least - your lack of pessimism].  And hopefully internalize and adopt that lack of pessimism for myself.  Sometimes it's nice to hear from people who have a positive outlook [like yourself].

I don't know your age, but I'm 38, and I have NEVER lived through anything like this, in terms of public hysteria, paranoia, and the erosion of civil liberties, in addition to the economic loss, a rushed vaccine being pushed on the masses, and the lack of any end in sight for any of it.

In Ontario, "detainment facilities" are being built, allegedly for those entering or reentering Canada who may have COVID, but the law itself doesn't restrict detainment of individuals strictly to travelers - is it really only an autistic thing to be concerned about that?

Go to the 20:00 mark here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/H2YWSGKAxDE
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Body-Buildah on December 12, 2020, 07:39:44 PM
Yes, GHB was big around bodybuilders in germany.
It was suposed to release growth hormone, but it failed in doing so :)

Highly addicting stuff, but also great, if you do to much you go to sleep (sometimes forever).

It used to be sold over the counter here in the US in the early 90's.
Dangerous stuff.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
It used to be sold over the counter here in the US in the early 90's.
Dangerous stuff.

Hang on...just regarding GHB allegedly increasing GH levels, lol...I've never heard that.  Is there any truth to that?  Did people think that before?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 12, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
I get a libertarian sense from your post.  And I actually used to feel exactly the same, and it's not that I necessarily reject my previous views [views I am getting the impression you currently have]...let's just say that I'm not opposed to laws accommodating disabilities and certain balancing of interests as it relates to simultaneously protecting individual privacy rights.

If someone wants to make a Men's Club, what seems to be the problem with that?  As long as women are allowed to make a similar business for themselves, what's the problem?

So...after contemplating your post, I do think you make a good point.  And I'll be the first to admit - social justice laws accommodating everyone and their dog annoy me.  And as an autistic, I don't need nor want the state "helping" me by creating laws that force others to accommodate me.  I'll take care of myself, thanks.

That being said...with COVID measures, I feel that "Just wear a mask" can become "Just get the vaccine" pretty quickly, and I don't think "Just show proof of your vaccination status before being allowed to do basically anything" is that out of the realm of possibility.

And that's my concern right now.

As Fortress said, if it ends at having to wear a mask to go get some eggs, fine.  But I think tres_taco_combo's thinking that the vaccine could basically be mandatory in the practical sense [if not by law] is a real possibility, and that definitely concerns me.

Time will tell, I guess.

Yeah, I'm not one of the hatters who thinks the government wants to microchip us all. There's just a dynamic of problem solving by rule making ad absurdum which leaves no latitude for individual decision making or responsibility. That's contrary to the spirit of modern Western civilization, which includes being free to make bad decisions. It includes being free to do what you want even if it produces a sub-optimal result for the group. The trend I see, and dislike, is to curtail individual rights if doing so is of some utility to the communal group.

You're not nuts. We're going to see the "Do what's good for the group" case being insistently made. We may see "You must, by law, do what's good for the group." That'd be a hard sell tho.

But, predictably, when you squelch individual rights for the betterment of a group, this yields a group of squelched individuals. A lot people will make arguments in favor of the necessity of it, but a lot of us won't buy it. And we're not all bucktoothed hillbillies bellowing about muh freedoms, as the media enjoys portraying anyone who questions restrictions and mandates handed down to us by our superiors in the government.

They are welcome to try to sell me on the vaccine but I won't tolerate a mandate. Not all rules are made to be broken, but the stupid ones are.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 12, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
Yeah, I'm not one of the hatters who thinks the government wants to microchip us all. There's just a dynamic of problem solving by rule making ad absurdum which leaves no latitude for individual decision making or responsibility. That's contrary to the spirit of modern Western civilization, which includes being free to make bad decisions. It includes being free to do what you want even if it produces a sub-optimal result for the group. The trend I see, and dislike, is to curtail individual rights if doing so is of some utility to the communal group.

You're not nuts. We're going to see the "Do what's good for the group" case being insistently made. We may see "You must, by law, do what's good for the group." That'd be a hard sell tho.o

But, predictably, when you squelch individual rights for the betterment of a group, this yields a group of squelched individuals. A lot people will make arguments in favor of the necessity of it, but a lot of us won't buy it. And we're not all bucktoothed hillbillies bellowing about muh freedoms, as the media enjoys portraying anyone who questions restrictions and mandates handed down to us by our superiors in the government.

They are welcome to try to sell me on the vaccine but I won't tolerate a mandate. Not all rules are made to be broken, but the stupid ones are.

Well said^

I've never acknowledged an offical "law" in my life I just do whatever I want, I don't care if I break a "law" simple fact is I don't think it's appropriate to Murder people or rape people or hold up people for their money etc so I don't do it... I don't not do these things because the government tells me...

This is why I've sold drugs and given people beatings, because the people wanted the drugs, it was a fair transaction and the people that got beatings deserved them and the beatings were not excessive.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Walter Sobchak on December 12, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Well yeah, I'm trying to get to the source of your optimism on the matter [or at least - your lack of pessimism].  And hopefully internalize and adopt that lack of pessimism for myself.  Sometimes it's nice to hear from people who have a positive outlook [like yourself].

I don't know your age, but I'm 38, and I have NEVER lived through anything like this, in terms of public hysteria, paranoia, and the erosion of civil liberties, in addition to the economic loss, a rushed vaccine being pushed on the masses, and the lack of any end in sight for any of it.

In Ontario, "detainment facilities" are being built, allegedly for those entering or reentering Canada who may have COVID, but the law itself doesn't restrict detainment of individuals strictly to travelers - is it really only an autistic thing to be concerned about that?

Go to the 20:00 mark here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/H2YWSGKAxDE

(https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4966943.jpg)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 12, 2020, 11:48:25 PM
Well said^

I've never acknowledged an offical "law" in my life I just do whatever I want, I don't care if I break a "law" simple fact is I don't think it's appropriate to Murder people or rape people or hold up people for their money etc so I don't do it... I don't not do these things because the government tells me...

This is why I've sold drugs and given people beatings, because the people wanted the drugs, it was a fair transaction and the people that got beatings deserved them and the beatings were not excessive.

Without knowing the particulars of each case, but seeing as you're a Getbigger, I'm going to say they got off light.

While we're griping about the total disconnect between the government and the governed, I'd just like to take a white nationalist moment for a country that isn't even my own and wave a fond farewell.

I've been working in Armadale. The white cuntz are the bludgingest, most genetically deficient, permanently defeated crackheads I've ever seen. But on the upside, they are a definite minority to the newly arrived Africans, all of whom seem to have a brood of infants 9 months and one week apart. The multiculturalism at bus stops on Leach Hwy blooms, although it still needs some practice integrating since the children inexplicably segregate themselves into groups by race. How odd. I dare you to find an aussie in queens park or Winthrop, or plenty of other suburbs.

I'm sure it'll all be for the best. And when the children ask their parents what it was like growing up in Australia, the adults will confess it was actually pretty nice. And when asked why they changed it, even though people had fought and died to preserve it, the adults will say that they had to. Otherwise someone might have accused them of trying to preserve their national identity or possibly even of being a racist, kinda like the kids who beat the snot out of little Jimmy each day on account of his evil whiteness.

Honestly, I just keep reminding myself that it's not even my country so what the hell do I care, but it hurts to see the place disappearing. Everybody knows it, most don't like it, it proceeds and no one is saying a word against it. Just worry about yourself. Just get yours. Be isolated. Be selfish. Have no culture or identity to preserve. Be a steward of nothing and hand over the nation you were given to people who don't share its values and never will. Give away your children's future to prove your virtue. Force a smile and say you embrace change. Happy holidays, Australia. It was nice to have known ya.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 13, 2020, 01:20:44 AM
Yeah, I'm not one of the hatters who thinks the government wants to microchip us all. There's just a dynamic of problem solving by rule making ad absurdum which leaves no latitude for individual decision making or responsibility. That's contrary to the spirit of modern Western civilization, which includes being free to make bad decisions. It includes being free to do what you want even if it produces a sub-optimal result for the group. The trend I see, and dislike, is to curtail individual rights if doing so is of some utility to the communal group.

You're not nuts. We're going to see the "Do what's good for the group" case being insistently made. We may see "You must, by law, do what's good for the group." That'd be a hard sell tho.

But, predictably, when you squelch individual rights for the betterment of a group, this yields a group of squelched individuals. A lot people will make arguments in favor of the necessity of it, but a lot of us won't buy it. And we're not all bucktoothed hillbillies bellowing about muh freedoms, as the media enjoys portraying anyone who questions restrictions and mandates handed down to us by our superiors in the government.

They are welcome to try to sell me on the vaccine but I won't tolerate a mandate. Not all rules are made to be broken, but the stupid ones are.

^ Tapeworm, this is great.  You're incredibly articulate.  You write well, and I assume you speak well too.

You know me...my autism makes it a massive challenge to keep posts short...so if you don't read this, I won't be offended.  Please let me know if my long replies bother you.  You are a sharp guy, and I want to maintain a good rapport with you, since I learn a lot from men like you.

Thank you for expanding on your views with such depth and clarity.  I especially liked when you said there is a dynamic of problem solving by rule making ad absurdum, which negatively impacts individual rights.

For example, in Canada, we have "Human Rights Commissions" in every province, and a federal one, which charge people who broke no Canadian law.  One case involved a Black Canadian landlord in Southern Ontario, who was charged by the Ontario Human Rights Commission for legally entering a home that he owned, and was renting to Muslims, because he kept his shoes on, which the Muslim tenants said violated Islamic Law.  Even though he only entered after giving the legally required 24 hours notice, under the Ontario Landlord and Tenant Act, and [bizarrely], neither the Muslim tenants nor the OHRC could find any Islamic clerics who said that Islamic Law requires removing one's shoes inside a dwelling home.

So these speciously-named "Human Rights" Commissions actually violate human rights.  They literally charge people for "offending" others, providing the offended party is from a protected group.  What's more is that the landlord in this case was a Nigerian immigrant - a protected group of its own.  This video covers just how ridiculous this case was:



So you're spot-on about rule-making ad absurdum leading to all sorts of problems for individuals.

I feel similarly...but I struggle to find what works best, as no system is perfect.

My only point of contention with your valid point about individual rights is this:

What is now happening in the West is that individualism is being weaponized against Whites, by way of encouraging all other races to collectivize by adopting identity politics to protect their group interests, while Whites are not allowed to do anything to stand up for our own group interests [which we do have, and which are legitimate].  Additionally, due to prosecutorial discretion, there are increasing numbers of cases where non-Whites are let off the hook for property crimes and other crimes in White areas, whereas if a White person does something like paint over "Black Lives Matter" graffiti, they get charged with a hate crime.  Meanwhile, much worse crime perpetrated by non-Whites against Whites gets ignored.

Here are examples of how the White tendency towards individualism is being weaponized against us, whereas other races living in the West are encouraged to embrace identity politics and collectivize to protect their group interests:

Two people are charged with a hate crime for vandalizing a Black Lives Matter mural (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/us/hate-crime-charges-black-lives-matter-mural-painted-over-trnd/index.html)

Meanwhile, look what happens when a non-White commits a crime that caused over $150,000 in property damage:

Man Who Toppled Christopher Columbus Statue Avoids Jail Time Due To ‘Restorative Justice’ Program (https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/07/michael-anthony-forcia-christopher-columbus-statue-st-paul-community-service-restorative-justice)

And look at how wonderfully defunding the police in Minneapolis has worked so far:

Minneapolis Delivers on Its George Floyd Promise to Defund Police (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9038865/Minneapolis-follows-threats-wipe-8million-police-department.html)

This video expands upon how the Western/White tendency to value individual rights is weaponized against us, as all other racial groups living in the West [along with millions more imported every year] are not only being encouraged to collectivize to advance their own ethnic interests, but also being told that all the problems they face are caused by Whites.

So as libertarian as I want to be, it will be impossible to resolve this if all other groups are collectivizing, while simultaneously blaming everything on White people.  The only way this will be resolved is it Whites join in collectivizing too.

And that realization was when I refined my libertarian views to incorporate that fact.  In theory, libertarianism advocates for all people's identities being based on individuality, but in practice, White people are the only ones having individualism pushed on them while being told that caring about their group interests, at best, has no basis, and at worst - is immoral, or even "racist" and "oppressive" towards non-Whites who, as said, are being encouraged to put their own interests first.

This video covers how individualist ideas are being weaponized and targeted against Whites, at the cost of our collective group interests:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rcHgEZLOkZfT

Lastly - at the start of the pandemic, when we couldn't rule out COVID being a lethal plague, I was happy to see that humans - including White people - have the ability to collectivize at times of perceived crisis.  That's good.  Because sometimes we need to sacrifice the rights of the individual in order to protect the collective rights of the group.

My issue with this is that non-Whites are both encouraged and celebrated for doing this, as well as for adopting openly hostile stances against White people, while streams and streams of non-Whites flood into the West, who are then encouraged to adopt these same toxic [to Whites] ideas.

Meanwhile, Whites are constantly told that we must always protect individual rights, and any White person or organization that stands up for White interests is immediately attacked, called "racist", "Islamophobic", or "oppressive", and delegitimized as much as possible.

This is what made me shift away from libertarian principles - I completely agree with you that businesses and private individuals should be allowed to set their own rules, and that never-ending government laws produce an anti-freedom climate, but as long as individualism is being used as a weapon to prevent Whites from protecting our group interests, I can't look at individualism as being a solution which only produces more freedom, when it also produces a culture that de facto, makes it impossible for White people to stand up for our group interests, and ultimately aids in our own Western-wide racial demographic displacement.

^ This is basically my way of saying: I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY...but I have come to learn in practice that models that seek to produce greater individual freedom can also be weaponized against the very same people who respect individual rights the most.

And I have yet to learn of a model that can expand individual freedom, without that same model being exploited against Whites [currently], as well as potentially any other groups who forego their group interests by adopting individualism, to ultimately leave whatever group remains collectivist as being the one who goes on to be the most dominant as a result.

Sorry for writing so much on my potential fears about what a strictly individualist ethos can create - but I can tell from your posts that you have the intelligence to contemplate the potential downside to what has been one of the most progressive and successful ideas to have ever been derived from Western Civilization [individual rights and freedoms].

Replying to intelligent posts makes me write a lot.  I hope you are not bothered by it.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 13, 2020, 01:58:50 AM
Hang on...just regarding GHB allegedly increasing GH levels, lol...I've never heard that.  Is there any truth to that?  Did people think that before?

They didn't just *think* it, it does release growth hormone quite potently but it's a short transient elevation. Milos said he used it when he didn't have GH, I think he even said it was like taking 10iu a day lol.
What that does physique- or performance wise can be debated.  There are many situations where GHB could be very useful for an athlete and I know it's still being used as a PED by elite athletes. Not as a continuous, every day thing but here and there when you "need" it.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 13, 2020, 03:27:05 AM
^ Tapeworm, this is great.  You're incredibly articulate.  You write well, and I assume you speak well too.

You know me...my autism makes it a massive challenge to keep posts short...so if you don't read this, I won't be offended.  Please let me know if my long replies bother you.  You are a sharp guy, and I want to maintain a good rapport with you, since I learn a lot from men like you.

Thank you for expanding on your views with such depth and clarity.  I especially liked when you said there is a dynamic of problem solving by rule making ad absurdum, which negatively impacts individual rights.

For example, in Canada, we have "Human Rights Commissions" in every province, and a federal one, which charge people who broke no Canadian law.  One case involved a Black Canadian landlord in Southern Ontario, who was charged by the Ontario Human Rights Commission for legally entering a home that he owned, and was renting to Muslims, because he kept his shoes on, which the Muslim tenants said violated Islamic Law.  Even though he only entered after giving the legally required 24 hours notice, under the Ontario Landlord and Tenant Act, and [bizarrely], neither the Muslim tenants nor the OHRC could find any Islamic clerics who said that Islamic Law requires removing one's shoes inside a dwelling home.

So these speciously-named "Human Rights" Commissions actually violate human rights.  They literally charge people for "offending" others, providing the offended party is from a protected group.  What's more is that the landlord in this case was a Nigerian immigrant - a protected group of its own.  This video covers just how ridiculous this case was:



So you're spot-on about rule-making ad absurdum leading to all sorts of problems for individuals.

I feel similarly...but I struggle to find what works best, as no system is perfect.

My only point of contention with your valid point about individual rights is this:

What is now happening in the West is that individualism is being weaponized against Whites, by way of encouraging all other races to collectivize by adopting identity politics to protect their group interests, while Whites are not allowed to do anything to stand up for our own group interests [which we do have, and which are legitimate].  Additionally, due to prosecutorial discretion, there are increasing numbers of cases where non-Whites are let off the hook for property crimes and other crimes in White areas, whereas if a White person does something like paint over "Black Lives Matter" graffiti, they get charged with a hate crime.  Meanwhile, much worse crime perpetrated by non-Whites against Whites gets ignored.

Here are examples of how the White tendency towards individualism is being weaponized against us, whereas other races living in the West are encouraged to embrace identity politics and collectivize to protect their group interests:

Two people are charged with a hate crime for vandalizing a Black Lives Matter mural (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/us/hate-crime-charges-black-lives-matter-mural-painted-over-trnd/index.html)

Meanwhile, look what happens when a non-White commits a crime that caused over $150,000 in property damage:

Man Who Toppled Christopher Columbus Statue Avoids Jail Time Due To ‘Restorative Justice’ Program (https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/07/michael-anthony-forcia-christopher-columbus-statue-st-paul-community-service-restorative-justice)

And look at how wonderfully defunding the police in Minneapolis has worked so far:

Minneapolis Delivers on Its George Floyd Promise to Defund Police (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9038865/Minneapolis-follows-threats-wipe-8million-police-department.html)

This video expands upon how the Western/White tendency to value individual rights is weaponized against us, as all other racial groups living in the West [along with millions more imported every year] are not only being encouraged to collectivize to advance their own ethnic interests, but also being told that all the problems they face are caused by Whites.

So as libertarian as I want to be, it will be impossible to resolve this if all other groups are collectivizing, while simultaneously blaming everything on White people.  The only way this will be resolved is it Whites join in collectivizing too.

And that realization was when I refined my libertarian views to incorporate that fact.  In theory, libertarianism advocates for all people's identities being based on individuality, but in practice, White people are the only ones having individualism pushed on them while being told that caring about their group interests, at best, has no basis, and at worst - is immoral, or even "racist" and "oppressive" towards non-Whites who, as said, are being encouraged to put their own interests first.

This video covers how individualist ideas are being weaponized and targeted against Whites, at the cost of our collective group interests:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rcHgEZLOkZfT

Lastly - at the start of the pandemic, when we couldn't rule out COVID being a lethal plague, I was happy to see that humans - including White people - have the ability to collectivize at times of perceived crisis.  That's good.  Because sometimes we need to sacrifice the rights of the individual in order to protect the collective rights of the group.

My issue with this is that non-Whites are both encouraged and celebrated for doing this, as well as for adopting openly hostile stances against White people, while streams and streams of non-Whites flood into the West, who are then encouraged to adopt these same toxic [to Whites] ideas.

Meanwhile, Whites are constantly told that we must always protect individual rights, and any White person or organization that stands up for White interests is immediately attacked, called "racist", "Islamophobic", or "oppressive", and delegitimized as much as possible.

This is what made me shift away from libertarian principles - I completely agree with you that businesses and private individuals should be allowed to set their own rules, and that never-ending government laws produce an anti-freedom climate, but as long as individualism is being used as a weapon to prevent Whites from protecting our group interests, I can't look at individualism as being a solution which only produces more freedom, when it also produces a culture that de facto, makes it impossible for White people to stand up for our group interests, and ultimately aids in our own Western-wide racial demographic displacement.

^ This is basically my way of saying: I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY...but I have come to learn in practice that models that seek to produce greater individual freedom can also be weaponized against the very same people who respect individual rights the most.

And I have yet to learn of a model that can expand individual freedom, without that same model being exploited against Whites [currently], as well as potentially any other groups who forego their group interests by adopting individualism, to ultimately leave whatever group remains collectivist as being the one who goes on to be the most dominant as a result.

Sorry for writing so much on my potential fears about what a strictly individualist ethos can create - but I can tell from your posts that you have the intelligence to contemplate the potential downside to what has been one of the most progressive and successful ideas to have ever been derived from Western Civilization [individual rights and freedoms].

Replying to intelligent posts makes me write a lot.  I hope you are not bothered by it.

Not bothered at all, bro. I have an attention span for things which warrant it.

I'll have to think on this. I confess that, in the past, and even on here, I've said something along the lines of "China will win in the end because they move as one and aren't weakened by internal dischord like Western societies which suffer dissent due to our freedom of individual thought and expression. Tldr: We're beautiful but not combat effective."

Just getting on the road home, and I'll check out your vid once I get there in about 2 hours, lol. By way of a quick, not well considered answer: A libertarian individualism which insists on a high threshold of necessity before agreeing to the intervention of government power is a different kind of individualism than one which celebrates indulgence, greed, selfishness, etc, and eschews any responsibility for the future in favor of easy living today.

I might even try to make the case that a good Libertarian would recognize the downside of flooding the country with groups which have an established history of being anti-individualist, and remaining that way even after being well ensconced in their new land.

I agree the West is fractured tho. Also soft, cowardly, and naive. If I were observing this from an outside perspective, which I kinda am, I'd be thinking: If you insist on being stupid, weak, and rich, you're pretty much asking to get the shit kicked of you.

I'll think on this.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 14, 2020, 12:23:10 AM
Australian Covid-19 vaccine trials ended after test subjects return 'false positive' HIV results
"Follow up tests confirmed that there is no HIV virus present, just a false positive on certain HIV tests. There is no possibility the vaccine causes infection," the statement added.

Fucboi vaccines!

oops...

how did hiv find its way into the rona?

not by accident:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag (https://server2.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/syku/sndlsuqgqvkxl/sstu/p2/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag)

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.

more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)

'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier (https://server2.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s2iwolzo/p2/servlet/redirect.srv/syku/sndlsuqgqvkxl/sstu/p2/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: wes on December 14, 2020, 05:18:18 PM
Regarding the EU, I heard the same thing.  For whatever its faults, the EU made the right call on that one.

Regarding the contamination of vaccines, I heard that Bill Gates funded some vaccine testing in India, and multiple people - maybe in the hundreds...possibly alleged to be in the thousands, but I can't recall the exact number - died or became seriously ill or otherwise infected or in need of healthcare, as a result of a vaccine.  It may have been an oral polio vaccine [rather than a needle-based one] or some other vaccine that is usually intramuscular, but was in pill form.

I went online to verify the story, and everyone was saying it was a conspiracy theory.

But here's the thing - if you test a vaccine on the children of 10,000 or 100,000 [or however many] of the poorest families in a developing nation, exactly WHO will advocate on behalf of those children and their families in the event of the vaccine causing medical issues?

And 2020 has taught me that strange things have happened - both this year, and throughout history at a level I just didn't deeply ponder, I suppose.  Not only has this entire year been a statistical outlier like nothing I've ever seen before, I also learned that actual Hobbits used to exist on an island in Indonesia:



So...does this relate to Bill Gates and the Indian vaccine claim, and the subsequent online denial of his involvement?

Well...consider:

Is it REALLY so hard to believe that a person with the wealth and influence of Bill Gates would be able to have a "relatively safe" oral vaccine for a known intramuscular vaccine developed, and use his money to butter up a politician in India and have the vaccine tested on the poorest people in society, and do so by way of a series of shell companies and other measures, ultimately hiding his association with the eventual failed vaccine?  Ok - so, say 284 people died.

284 people.

284 of the POOREST people, no less - the children of the poorest people, and probably children who were already sick, with poor parents who had six kids, and who were informed of the risks, and the potential for financial reward in case anything went wrong.  And that would require, what, $2.84 million to pay each family in India $10,000 USD, in the case 284 children died?

So even though the Gates/India vaccine allegation is a "conspiracy theory", is it REALLY so "out there"?

Also consider - if Bill Gates develops a vaccine that can be produced cheaply and save a billion starving Black children in Africa, he will go down in history as a hero, by the Jewish media.  I could see him looking at it morally like this: "These starving African children were going to die anyway - but if the vaccine works, I can save millions of lives [or...make a boatload more cash]."

So is it REALLY so impossible that something like this happened?

Again - who advocates on behalf of starving people, living on under $2 USD per day?

People in THE WEST aren't able to successfully sue pharmaceutical companies...is anyone REALLY going to worry about deaths they cause to the world's poorest people?

It just seems like a group that [1] can't afford to advocate for themselves, [2] no one really pays attention to, despite all the virtue-signalling about caring about those in extreme poverty, and [3] would be a group that could be tested on for vaccines that have the potential to save lives.

All of this sounds sick to me...but they test on animals, right?  And eventually, drug companies start testing on people...it seems like doing this in Africa or India would be an easy way to test on humans without all of the red tape and regulatory delays that come with Western standards.

tl;dr.

Yes.

No, but I heard a similar story about vaccine testing gone awry in India, involving Bill Gates.

Well...is doing that really so hard?

I'm just not understanding the nature of your problem.
 
I remember the early days of smartphones...one day someone replied to a PM and said "Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I didn't want to write a book on my phone."

So I realized that writing - and yes, reading - online is different than on a computer.  And if my long posts are causing your phone battery to drain, I can get why you're annoyed.

Nothing you're saying to me is making me want to reduce my post size for your benefit.  Obviously, YES, I am considering the Getbig community when I post...but my concerns when I post are [1] good spelling and grammar, [2] being on-topic and appropriate, [3] keeping profanity to a minimum, or not using it at all, [4] not hijacking the threads of others, [5] giving warnings for NSFW material, [6] not attacking other members personally, [7] not bringing people's family members into discussions, etc.

I don't know, dude...I guess I just don't see an issue with long posts on a public forum that people can just ignore.

When it comes to text messages and private messages, I DO keep them short...but IMO, that is more akin to following a person's rules while you are a guest in their home.

IMO, Getbig is more akin to being at a mall.  If Ron or any of the moderators INSISTED I reduce my post size...I would either do it, or stop posting here.

Believe me when I say this...even though your posts are so dick, I try to take from everything I read, and so far - I am still reading your posts, even though they are way too dick.  But I guess I just don't even understand why you seem so angry - almost enraged, even - at my long posts, when you could just be ignoring them.

Any answer, feel free to share.  Just keep your reply to under 100 words.

You've given me some pause for thought...and while I enjoy learning, some of the possibilities regarding what you are talking about is rather depressing.  Just to think that we're possibly at a time where global elites are conspiring to drastically reduce the world population...that's not some insignificant agenda or anything.  I guess you could say that I think that's "kind of a big deal."

I'm pushing 40 now, and all things considered, things are going fairly well for me right now other than COVID.  But to say "other than COVID" is almost to say "Other than the fact that the regional communist party is slated to win the upcoming national election."

This is, without any doubt, the most unstable, and politically/economically and socially volatile year I have ever lived.  I was never much concerned about the virus itself, and only started reading about it in-depth in August.  Within the span of an afternoon, whatever COVID concerns I had were gone like a fart in the wind - especially with rafts of literal The Onion-like articles about COVID being churned out day after day:

"Covid-19 Now Discovered to Attach to Farts in the Wind and Travel Up to 75 Metres"

I was like...yeah, I'm going to stop being worried about this virus now...not like I ever was.

And I'm glad you brought up the video joswift posted, because I was wondering the same thing...is it possible that the term sterilize is being used in another context?  YouTube is doing a fantastic job scrubbing COVID skeptic videos off the site, so it makes it hard to even find analysis about this...nothing suspect about that or anything. 


ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND OR WHAT DUDE?

AS IF ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND IS GONNA READ THESE NOVEL LENGTH POSTS FOR CHRISTS SAKE.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 14, 2020, 06:32:59 PM
Matt – the prob that I have with your walls of text is - potentially relevant info gets lost in a sea of drivel.

u write a lot, but aren't really saying anything.... the end result is that peeps will ignore your posts completely, and potentially pass up, again, relevant info in the process.

u r venting – in effect wasting time. this is a time to focus in on what is important.

look into the hiv, look into gain of function, look into God... or perhaps simply refrain from posting.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: wes on December 14, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
Matt – the prob that I have with your walls of text is - potentially relevant info gets lost in a sea of drivel.

u write a lot, but aren't really saying anything.... the end result is that peeps will ignore your posts completely, and potentially pass up, again, relevant info in the process.

u r venting – in effect wasting time. this is a time to focus in on what is important.

look into the hiv, look into gain of function, look into God... or perhaps simply refrain from posting.
Or he could look into smelling some fishy slit !!  LOL  ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 14, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
Matt – the prob that I have with your walls of text is - potentially relevant info gets lost in a sea of drivel.

u write a lot, but aren't really saying anything.... the end result is that peeps will ignore your posts completely, and potentially pass up, again, relevant info in the process.

u r venting – in effect wasting time. this is a time to focus in on what is important.

look into the hiv, look into gain of function, look into God... or perhaps simply refrain from posting.

Sometimes you can say more with less [memes], but sometimes you can say more with more [Joe Rogan long-form style podcasts].

My opinion on my own posts is that I write a lot, but I also say a lot.

It's not drivel.  I'm posting relevant COVID-related information.

And time and time again, I'm shocked at how many people actually do read all of my posts.  I've heard it many times.  I don't know the percentage, but it always shocks me when I talk to someone who read a full 1,500 post I wrote.

I agree with you that sometimes it's important to write less...I guess with COVID, I'm more concerned about it than most people are.

It's like no one cares that we are basically on the fast-track to communism.  Yes, that's hyperbole - but is it really?  If so, by how much?

I know I'm not the only one who is concerned about this...but sometimes it feels that way.

Computing Forever just posted this - I haven't watched it, and he has a tendency to get a little conspiratorial.  His stuff is usually worth watching though:

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 14, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
Or he could look into smelling some fishy slit !!  LOL  ;D

I probably.  I only have twice since my girlfriend dumped me in August.  :-\
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 15, 2020, 04:45:21 AM
Computing Forever just posted this - I haven't watched it, and he has a tendency to get a little conspiratorial.  His stuff is usually worth watching though:



dude, I hardly ever watch the vids I post on here lol

here is another one  ;D

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: epic is back on December 15, 2020, 06:13:51 AM
Who has time to write this let alone read it

Wtf
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 16, 2020, 03:00:11 AM
another fun vid  ;D

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 16, 2020, 04:06:02 AM
another fun vid  ;D



^^ lol at dudes in diem vid comment section... 'sounds bad, will avoid', lol – sure ya will – just like the vaccine.

this tech will b within the vaccine
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Megalodon on December 16, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
Just when you thought big pharma couldn't be any more altruistic.


(https://i.postimg.cc/c4cNJBz1/Ep-V-c-Ok-WEAAg9a-U.jpg)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: chaos on December 16, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
Should we post the stories of adverse reactions to this death vaccine in the US in this thread or start a new one ???
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: King Shizzo on December 16, 2020, 09:24:05 PM
Should we post the stories of adverse reactions to this death vaccine in the US in this thread or start a new one ???
You are absolutely right. Why the hell would any rational person, take this shit?

Too soon. Why would old or young people take it in the first place, when you are SUPPOSEDLY INJECTING A MILD STRAIN OF THE VIRUS! It's exactly what it is. It's a mild strain of a virus. Just as many, if not more are going to die by taking this vaccine.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 16, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
You are absolutely right. Why the hell would any rational person, take this shit?

Too soon. Why would old or young people take it in the first place, when you are SUPPOSEDLY INJECTING A MILD STRAIN OF THE VIRUS! It's exactly what it is. It's a mild strain of a virus. Just as many, if not more are going to die by taking this vaccine.

Stop it.  Just stop it.  I have it on good authority that Chaos is a practicing heterosexual.  You're not getting anywhere near the inside of his slacks.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: King Shizzo on December 16, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Stop it.  Just stop it.  I have it on good authority that Chaos is a practicing heterosexual.  You're not getting anywhere near the inside of his slacks.
I'm not attracted to men, white shirts, and khakis.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: G_Thang on December 16, 2020, 10:17:11 PM
Just when you thought big pharma couldn't be any more altruistic.


(https://i.postimg.cc/c4cNJBz1/Ep-V-c-Ok-WEAAg9a-U.jpg)

Profile of the ultimate Fucboi!
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 17, 2020, 03:43:41 AM
Pfizer's CEO is such a gentleman. :D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on December 23, 2020, 04:12:29 AM
More evidence of big pharma greed.

Turns out a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine has a 91% efficacy. The second dose boosts efficacy to 95%. 4 fucking percent! The second dose is is pretty much pointless and is just them trying to fill the pockets. Second dose can also cause pretty bad fucking side effects. This shit is bordering on the negligent.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 07:38:44 AM
I got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. No side effects at all. My arm isn't sore. No fever. No fatigue. No headache. The only side effect was I was talking Portuguese in my sleep my wife said. I don't speak Portuguese. Seriously, I have no side effects.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 23, 2020, 07:45:46 AM
I got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. No side effects at all. My arm isn't sore. No fever. No fatigue. No headache. The only side effect was I was talking Portuguese in my sleep my wife said. I don't speak Portuguese. Seriously, I have no side effects.
How does your wife know Portuguese?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 07:54:03 AM
We love Portuguese food. Huge Portuguese population in Newark, NJ.  Beyond amazing restaurants. I'm spoiled for having great food living in the NJ/NY area. So many times  I go to another state I'm shocked how bad the food is.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 23, 2020, 07:55:14 AM
We love Portuguese food. Huge Portuguese population in Newark, NJ.  Beyond amazing restaurants. I'm spoiled for having great food living in the NJ/NY area. So many times  I go to another state I'm shocked how bad the food is.
Many of those restaurants won't survive 2021.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 08:02:00 AM
Many of those restaurants won't survive 2021.

Very sad if that happens. Going to my favorite Italian restaurant for take out today. Really pissed if that one goes down too. Italian owned and not a phony Italian restaurant like I've seen in the south.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 23, 2020, 08:36:34 AM
Very sad if that happens. Going to my favorite Italian restaurant for take out today. Really pissed if that one goes down too. Italian owned and not a phony Italian restaurant like I've seen in the south.


The Northeast was the destination for the Italian immigrants in the late 1800's and early 1900's- so the Italian restaurants better be genuine, lol. The South, on the other hand, makes the best BBQ as well as other ethnic foods with tropical origins.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 09:32:46 AM

The Northeast was the destination for the Italian immigrants in the late 1800's and early 1900's- so the Italian restaurants better be genuine, lol. The South, on the other hand, makes the best BBQ as well as other ethnic foods with tropical origins.

We have a big black population in Newark and they do BBQ right. What ethnic food is in the south?  Are you talking about Cuban, Puerto Rican and Jamaican in Florida?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 23, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
We have a big black population in Newark and they do BBQ right. What ethnic food is in the south?  Are you talking about Cuban, Puerto Rican and Jamaican in Florida?


Well - the blacks came from the south and headed north so I guess they brought the culinary skills with them. Eventually Italian restaurants will populate the south as well given how many northerners are moving here (I'm in South Carolina by way of upstate NY).


A very popular ethnic cuisine is the south is Gullah food, short for the Gullah/Geechee people, with origins in West Africa. The food is popular along the coast of NC/SC and Georgia but can be found in the upstate regions as well  as well: https://discoversouthcarolina.com/articles/how-rice-built-a-lowcountry-legacy
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: ThisisOverload on December 23, 2020, 01:52:41 PM
When i lived in Houston they had some amazing Italian joints.

That's really the only good thing about Houston, it has amazing food from all over the world due to diversity. It's a cesspool mostly, but due to the Energy market it has drawn a lot of people south over the years for work.

Best Italian i've ever had was in Germany, there are some small family places that only sit 10-15 people that have the most authentic Italian around, except for Italy of course.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: dexitrim on December 23, 2020, 01:55:13 PM
We love Portuguese food. Huge Portuguese population in Newark, NJ.  Beyond amazing restaurants. I'm spoiled for having great food living in the NJ/NY area. So many times  I go to another state I'm shocked how bad the food is.

I used to work at my dad's furniture store on Broad St in Newark.  He used to frequently take me to Forno's of Spain restaurant over in the Portuguese Ironbound section of Newark.  Amazing food.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: dexitrim on December 23, 2020, 02:00:39 PM
We have a big black population in Newark and they do BBQ right. What ethnic food is in the south?  Are you talking about Cuban, Puerto Rican and Jamaican in Florida?

When I worked at my dad's furniture store in Newark, I remember ordering a chicken sandwich from one of the soul food restaurant's there.  I just assumed it would be like any other chicken sandwich I've had.  Instead, they delivered a chicken sandwich with bones in the chicken.  I was like "WTF is this?".  So I called them up, and asked about it, and they said that's how they make it.  I grew up in Seattle, so I had no idea that this is a thing in black culture.  I was told that I'm supposed to just gnaw around the bone as I eat the sandwich.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Tapeworm on December 23, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Lol. I thought the story was going to go the other way. "And it was the best chicken sandwich I ever ate." Wtf bones in a sandwich. You should take a flamethrower to that place.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: BB on December 23, 2020, 04:17:34 PM
That "bone-in" sandwich is a real thing. I've seen "bone-in" chicken breast sandwiches, "bone-in" pork chop sandwiches, even once a drumstick slapped between a bun called a chicken sandwich. I though it was one of those "fuck with whitey" things so I looked at a black friend's sandwich, nope same thing. It's gross.

That being said, I've had Chinese a few times where they'd whack up 1/2 a chicken into like 6-8 chunks with a cleaver unless you told them not to. Yummy! Razor sharp bone shards.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: ThisisOverload on December 23, 2020, 04:19:50 PM
That being said I've had Chinese a few times where they'd whack up 1/2 a chicken into like 6-8 chunks with a cleaver unless you told them not to. Yummy! Razor sharp bone shards.

The Viet's do that too.

I grew up with a Vietnamese dude and the first time we had chicken wings the dude ate the fucking bones. Just chomped through them and crunched them up with his teeth.

He said it's really good for you, he'd also snap the large bones in half and suck out the marrow.

Dude had some strong teeth.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 23, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
I got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. No side effects at all. My arm isn't sore. No fever. No fatigue. No headache. The only side effect was I was talking Portuguese in my sleep my wife said. I don't speak Portuguese. Seriously, I have no side effects.

I'm glad to hear you responded well with no short term effects to the vaccine. Moderna is worse than Pfizer too. Let's hope no long term issues come to light over the next year or two.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 06:03:38 PM
You are absolutely right. Why the hell would any rational person, take this shit?

Too soon. Why would old or young people take it in the first place, when you are SUPPOSEDLY INJECTING A MILD STRAIN OF THE VIRUS! It's exactly what it is. It's a mild strain of a virus. Just as many, if not more are going to die by taking this vaccine.

It has more testing than many vaccines you already have taken. I got the vaccine yesterday. When I had  the vaccine a doctor hoovered over me for 15 minutes for an allergic reaction. He said are you feeling okay?  Told him, " I feel nothing."
 According to studies it has less side effects than the shingle vaccine. I really feel absolutely nothing. My shoulder isn't sore either. Drinking some whisky today and I feel fine.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 23, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
download position paper pdf at bottom:

https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/americas-frontline-doctors-urge-opposition-to-experimental-vaccine-mandates-prescribe-caution-more-transparency/ (https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/americas-frontline-doctors-urge-opposition-to-experimental-vaccine-mandates-prescribe-caution-more-transparency/)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 23, 2020, 06:18:45 PM
Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 23, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

lol... the very best, actually

u r dumb, blind, and have no idea what u r doing... aside from being a willingly ignorant guinea pig and attempting to lead others astray.

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: residue on December 23, 2020, 06:35:54 PM
Very sad if that happens. Going to my favorite Italian restaurant for take out today. Really pissed if that one goes down too. Italian owned and not a phony Italian restaurant like I've seen in the south.
how many of those places are more than 5 years old? 10? it happens, newark is a massive hub for portuguese and brazilians, new authentic restaurants will open
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 23, 2020, 07:08:36 PM
It has more testing than many vaccines you already have taken. I got the vaccine yesterday. When I had  the vaccine a doctor hoovered over me for 15 minutes for an allergic reaction. He said are you feeling okay?  Told him, " I feel nothing."
 According to studies it has less side effects than the shingle vaccine. I really feel absolutely nothing. My shoulder isn't sore either. Drinking some whisky today and I feel fine.

Just because one person gets something and feels fine a day afterwards doesn't mean there are no risks.....  ::) ::) ::)

The next person can just as quickly have a severe reaction... Drs don't normally hover nervously over people who get a vaccine lol... Some serious stupidity here, though I'm not surprixsed you do believe mike O'hern is natural.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: harmankardon1 on December 23, 2020, 07:09:58 PM
Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

Lol you are a moron,
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 27, 2020, 02:56:03 AM
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606 (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 27, 2020, 03:39:41 AM
Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

oldtimer1 - You are correct - and with billions of dollars to do so.  But there are legitimate concerns about the vaccines:

[1] Covid-19 has a 99.7% survival rate for people under 70.  In Canada, as of 2020-09-23, only 26 Canadians under age 40 [my age demographic] had died of COVID, out of a population of over 18 million Canadians in that age range [REF: PHAC].  Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that I'm virtually assured to survive?  I have a strong immune system, and I want to keep it that way.  I don't need a vaccine to save me from a virus I'm virtually guaranteed to survive.

[2] The long-term effects of the Covid-19 vaccines are unknown - and are inherently unknowable at the current time.  It typically takes 10-15 years to develop vaccines, and this one went from development to administration in under nine months.  In Canada, our Minister of Health [who has ZERO medical background] stated that the vaccine was developed quickly because pharmaceutical companies were given permission overlap steps in the traditional regulatory process.  No big deal, right...?  Well...if these regulatory steps can be overlapped - why have standards in place to begin with?  ::)

[3] Pfizer has been granted legal indemnity against liability over any illness or injury caused by its vaccine.  That doesn't exactly increase confidence:

UK: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html
USA: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/14/579150.htm
Canada: https://globalnews.ca/news/7521148/coronavirus-vaccine-safety-liability-government-anand-pfizer

Ditto for AstraZeneca:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

[4] Pfizer's CEO doesn't want to get the vaccine yet, because he doesn't want to cut in line, preventing more vulnerable people from receiving their rushed, liability-exempt vaccine first.  ::)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/pfizers-ceo-hasnt-gotten-his-covid-vaccine-yet-saying-he-doesnt-want-to-cut-in-line.html

[5] Preliminary claims of the effectiveness of one dose of the Pfizer vaccine show results as high as 80-90%.  So why would any person [aside from at-risk populations] take a second dose - that offers a negligent increase in efficacy, and potentially far more side effects?:

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate

Why would I take two doses [or even one dose] of a vaccine that went from development to public rollout in under nine months for a virus that has thus far killed only 26 out of over 18,000,000 Canadians in my age demographic after being in my country for almost a year?  Why would I tow the line of the same government that ignored myself and many others who suggested a total shutdown of the borders was the only way to deal with COVID in its preliminary stages, until more data could be gathered, to make a rational determination of how to proceed?  Instead, we were shouted down as "racist" and "xenophobic", and NOW LOOK - we have a global pandemic on our hands that has cost the global economy over $10 TRILLION, while the virus continues to spread at a rate that makes me wonder if the measures in place are doing anything at all aside from making people depressed - or worse.

This is awful - and by no means, the only example:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140

And expect much more of this, as "Just two weeks to flatten the curve!" [Day 290] continues on with no end in sight...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120

So for these reasons, I will NOT be getting the COVID vaccine.  If you are so concerned about COVID, how about you can take the vaccine for me?  Both doses, please.

As for the rest of us - not all of us live in fear over a virus that has a near 100% survival rate for healthy people under 70.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2020, 03:46:16 AM
Matt, you should become an author.  You could churn out a novel a week.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 27, 2020, 04:03:44 AM
Matt, you should become an author.  You could churn out a novel a week.

It's funny you said that - with Big Tech censoring, deleting, and straight up cancelling masses of content creators, I decided to backup everything I post on Facebook.  I counted how many words I wrote in October: 303,249.  At first I thought... :-\ :-X  And then I thought... :o

At ~300 words per page, I write the equivalent of 1,000 pages a month - that's 2x 500p novels at 300 words per page.

So I decided to do exactly that - start writing a novel.  After nine hours, I was over 16,000 words in - 54 standard-sized novel pages.

The novel is about a cold case detective whose life goal is to close just one historic missing and/or murdered [exploited] child case - as those are the cases most near and dear to his heart, and to provide closure to the grieving parents.

The novel is going well so far.  Well...considering I've only worked on it over a period of two days, and in that I am over 10% of the way to completing it.

I'm not claiming to be as creative as Stephen King [!!] [autistics are notoriously NOT creative], but I can type just as fast as he could in his prime, and I can tolerate sitting in front of a computer typing for hours, just as he was able to, in his prime.  :)

So...yeah!  You're right - I really should start writing novels.  If Ontario is going on lock-down for the winter anyway, what better time to give writing a try?  I could churn out 2x 500p novels a month, and do that for six months.  Even if 90% of what I write sucks, there is still a chance that I can write at least one excellent novel in six months if I commit to that pace.

What's the alternative?  Watching YouTube videos until this COVID lock-down BS blows over...assuming it ever does?  Yep - I need to start writing.  :)  It will give me a project to work towards and give meaning to my life in a time when I think things are very bleak, and it will have the added bonus of writing/posting less on Getbig, which will make a handful of Getbiggers very happy.  ;D

Humble - you have inspired me.  :) :D 8)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2020, 04:44:24 AM
Go for it.  There's nothing else to do during these shutdowns other than workout.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: keanu on December 27, 2020, 04:54:01 AM
It's funny you said that - with Big Tech censoring, deleting, and straight up cancelling masses of content creators, I decided to backup everything I post on Facebook.  I went back to see how many words I wrote in October, and it was 303,249 words.  At first I thought... :-\ :-X  And then I thought... :o

At ~300 words per page, that means I'm writing the equivalent of 1,000 pages a month - that's 2x 500p novels at 300 words per page.

So I decided to do exactly that - start writing a novel.  After nine hours of writing, I was over 16,000 words in - 54 standard-sized novel pages.

Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2020, 05:01:35 AM
Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?
Elon really asks "how can we scam more money from the government today?"
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: keanu on December 27, 2020, 05:28:21 AM
Elon made a fortune very early in life and is worth 150 billion. He doesn't need more money or 18 hour work days. He hasn't for a long time. His companies like Open Ai, and Tesla are changing the world. On the surface Tesla is just another shitty electric car company. If you look inside the car, the battery technology Tesla developed is years ahead of anyone else , and will severely cut the use of oil and natural gas over time. Autonomous driving when fully developed will severely limit accidents due to human error. The chips he developed for his vehicles are years ahead of the next best competitor Nvidia (20x the power). These technologies will help make gene editing real cheap so we can edit out diseases like blindness, cancer, diabetes, ect.  Between 2021-2030 you'll see some serious innovations we have never seen before.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Taffin on December 27, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Just because one person gets something and feels fine a day afterwards doesn't mean there are no risks.....  ::) ::) ::)


(https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/story/202012/image_1__2__1200x768.jpeg?ps0JtBjI9G_qf9005rwYf3ZeVfC4SLka&size=770:433)

 ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 27, 2020, 02:55:58 PM
Elon made a fortune very early in life and is worth 150 billion. He doesn't need more money or 18 hour work days. He hasn't for a long time. His companies like Open Ai, and Tesla are changing the world. On the surface Tesla is just another shitty electric car company. If you look inside the car, the battery technology Tesla developed is years ahead of anyone else , and will severely cut the use of oil and natural gas over time. Autonomous driving when fully developed will severely limit accidents due to human error. The chips he developed for his vehicles are years ahead of the next best competitor Nvidia (20x the power). These technologies will help make gene editing real cheap so we can edit out diseases like blindness, cancer, diabetes, ect.  Between 2021-2030 you'll see some serious innovations we have never seen before.
That's what Elon tells the government to keep that grant money coming in.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 27, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
NanoLuc® Luciferase as a Genetic Reporter

'A small, bright enzyme like NanoLuc® luciferase is the ideal basis for a sensitive genetic reporter. With an array of NanoLuc® reporter vectors and detection assay formats, you can take your genetic reporter assays to the next level.'

Reporter Viruses

'Because of the small size of the NanoLuc® luciferase reporter gene and the HiBiT tag, they can be inserted into the viral genome without disrupting packaging or enzyme activities, for easy monitoring of viral processes in vivo.'

https://www.promega.com/resources/technologies/nanoluc-luciferase-enzyme/reporter-viruses/
Title: Covid 19 Vaccines - Any questions on forced and certificates on it?
Post by: epic is back on December 28, 2020, 12:42:22 AM


Most common symptoms for hospitalizations with 'covid-like' symptoms:

Shortness of breath and headaches

Most common symptoms from prolonged use or misuse of faces masks:

Shortness of breath and headaches

I'm sure this is just a coincidence
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Kront0 on December 28, 2020, 04:24:12 AM
I really hope that this vaccine will save us from this plague.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 28, 2020, 04:53:03 AM
Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?

You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 28, 2020, 05:37:23 AM
All prescription drugs and vaccines carries risk. Just listen to drug commercials on tv. More than half list death as a possible side effect. The vaccines have actually been tested on more people than many accepted vaccines like the shingles shot. On a side note the shingles vaccines has more side effects and adverse reactions than the the pfizer vaccine. Did you know when they do clinical trials they also have a placebo group?  The ones receiving isotonic saline water came up with almost the same amount of complaints of side effects. The amount of people getting the shot during the clinical trials is again way more than other drugs and vaccines. No short cuts were taken except for the amount of time they accomplished it. Is it 100% safe? Absolutely not. Does the risk out weigh the benefit?  Absolutely not.

The hepatitis vaccine, rabies vaccine, mumps, measles, tetanus meningitis have all had less testing prior to being released to the country.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: epic is back on December 28, 2020, 07:15:55 AM
You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.

Nothing will happen for you ever until you move out of Canada

Nothing

Enroll in school somewhere as a way out of Canada

Then never come back

This is the Single best advice best your going to get

Make it happen
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Megalodon on December 28, 2020, 09:44:49 AM
This makes more sense if you've seen one of the many cringeworthy chorus-line videos by "health care professionals" celebrating the gay reset.

(https://i.postimg.cc/59LCLQ31/Eq-VNtop-XEAMuc-X0.jpg)
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: epic is back on December 28, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
I suggest you watch a few videos on that channel

It just might help through the confusion

If not that’s fine too
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Taffin on December 28, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?



You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.


Matt...

Bro... read keanu's post again...

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Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: loco on December 28, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 28, 2020, 04:34:40 PM
Do you suck dicks?

Are you a Peter puffer?

Would you fuck a man in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach around?
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: chaos on December 28, 2020, 04:54:45 PM
Do you suck dicks?

Are you a Peter puffer?

Would you fuck a man in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach around?
No
No
Is that what broke your heart?
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 28, 2020, 04:59:15 PM
No
No
Is that what broke your heart?

Did I offend your gimmick? Those lines were from Full Metal Jacket. Your compression socks are probably getting too tight.
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: chaos on December 28, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
Did I offend your gimmick? Those lines were from Full Metal Jacket. Your compression socks are probably getting too tight.
Oooh, classic deflection.
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 28, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
Oooh, classic deflection.

No, was never heartbroken vis a vis buttfucking and/or reach around. But, if I were to ever pummel your buns, I'd reach around with both hands. One for your tits.....
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: TheGrinch on December 28, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
did huffingtonpost confirm?
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: chaos on December 28, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
No, was never heartbroken vis a vis buttfucking and/or reach around. But, if I were to ever pummel your buns, I'd reach around with both hands. One for your tits.....
The only time you'll be able to pummel my buns is when you're asking me if I'd like fries with that order.
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: epic is back on December 28, 2020, 05:29:33 PM
Why you got to g ay up my topic

Lots can be learned
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 28, 2020, 10:49:52 PM
Nothing will happen for you ever until you move out of Canada

Nothing

Enroll in school somewhere as a way out of Canada

Then never come back

This is the Single best advice best your going to get

Make it happen

Bang on.  I think I'll be living in Maine in 12 years time.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on December 28, 2020, 10:50:56 PM



Matt...

Bro... read keanu's post again...

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Frapgenius%2F1347666956_joke-went-over-your-head.gif&f=1&nofb=1)

Lol, no, no - I get the sarcasm.  I figured that was just keanu's way of saying that I think of myself as some...brilliant author or something, but that he was ultimately saying just go out and try something you think you're good at, and see where it takes you.

Bottom line:

I type 10,000+ words per day.  Most - and by most, I mean like 99.99% of the human population - CANNOT type that fast [that's not me being arrogant - that's just a fact].  So...?  Why not just start writing some books, and see how things turn out?

My original idea was to start a true crime YouTube channel, and write books on missing and murdered/exploited children.

Tell me, Taffin - would you consider that a noble cause?  A place to put my writing speed that is more worthy than posting about oiled up men in thongs?

That's all that I assumed keanu meant.  I knew he was being sarcastic.  It's like some of the guys on here who are just normal gym rats but probably have competitive potential in either bodybuilding, or at least one of the new categories.  If one of them suggested he was going to try that...there'd be nothing wrong with saying "Go for it", right?

I just figured keanu was saying that to me, and poking fun at what he perceives of me having a big head.

And I do have a big head [physically - like Phil Heath, or Rich Gaspari], but I am by no means saying I am some great novelist in the making.  :)  I'm just saying...if I can type 10,000+ words a day, why not just try writing a book?

What's the worst that can happen?  I occupied my time for a month, and the book sucks...right?  NO big loss.  8)
Title: Re: Any questions?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 29, 2020, 05:58:39 AM
The only time you'll be able to pummel my buns is when you're asking me if I'd like fries with that order.

You are a combo #1 guy so I'd never have to ask about fries.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 29, 2020, 09:15:37 AM
Bang on.  I think I'll be living in Maine in 12 years time.
Why Maine and why 12 years?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on December 30, 2020, 03:27:31 AM
Nicotinic Cholinergic System and COVID-19: Identification of a Potentially Crucial Snake Toxin-Like Sequence in the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Glycoprotein

'In this study, we present an amino acid sequence in the receptor binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike glycoprotein which is homologous to a sequence of a snake venom toxin'

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0301/v1
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: denarii on December 30, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
Its a trade off same as any invasive medicine. If you are vulnerable to dying of corona you take it. If you arent like most on here may as well wait for a few million people to get this and see if there are any side effects. There was narcolepsy side effect with the 2008 Asian flu pandemic vaccine.
 
I think the question is how much of the vaccine leaks out of the muscle and enters other non-regenerating cells like brain cells, spine, heart, kidneys etc.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 04, 2021, 11:51:02 PM
'Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated. '

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=10702600.PN.&OS=PN/10702600&RS=PN/10702600
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 12:22:59 AM
'Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated. '

^ from Mar 28, 2019 moderna patent application (amendment, lol)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on January 05, 2021, 09:57:29 AM
'Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated. '

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=10702600.PN.&OS=PN/10702600&RS=PN/10702600

Is that the mRNA vaccine?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on January 05, 2021, 10:38:12 AM
'Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated. '

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=10702600.PN.&OS=PN/10702600&RS=PN/10702600

^ from Mar 28, 2019 moderna patent application (amendment, lol)

Another shit for brains who likes to quote things without the faintest ability to fact check.

This quote is originally from a 2012 paper and is for a vaccine in development at the time which used an inactivated sars virus. They are using this to provide a "background" (it's in the fucking title moron) for the patent application.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 01:53:42 PM
Another shit for brains who likes to quote things without the faintest ability to fact check.

r u saying that this:

'Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated.

^ from Mar 28, 2019 moderna patent application (amendment, lol)'

was not an amendment made to a Mar 28, 2019 moderna patent application?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on January 05, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
Another shit for brains who likes to quote things without the faintest ability to fact check.

This quote is originally from a 2012 paper and is for a vaccine in development at the time which used an inactivated sars virus. They are using this to provide a "background" (it's in the fucking title moron) for the patent application.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

Is it an mRNA vaccine?

What is the deliberate release part about?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on January 05, 2021, 02:35:45 PM
Is it an mRNA vaccine?

What is the deliberate release part about?

They mention several viruses which cause respiratory disease in the patent.

2002 Sars is mentioned as one such virus. They also mention that there was a vaccine developed for it in 2012. It was in inactivated vaccine, but unsuccessful. It was not an mRNA vaccine.

The deliberate part is mentioned because sars was eliminated long before they developed the 2012 sars vaccine. It only existed in various laboratories. The only reason for needing a sars vaccine is if it got out of the lab, eg deliberately released.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on January 05, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
r u saying that this:

was not an amendment made to a Mar 28, 2019 moderna patent application?

What does that have to do with a reference dating back to 2012?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
What does that have to do with a reference dating back to 2012?

nothing, imbecile.

I posted about an amendment lodged in 2019. 
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on January 05, 2021, 03:16:23 PM
nothing, imbecile.

I posted about an amendment lodged in 2019.

You do realize a 2015-2019 patent referencing a 2002 virus called Sars and a 2020 virus called Sars2 aren't the same thing. Surely you're not that stupid
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
You do realize

I realize that u r intellectually disabled, full of emotional pride.. and incapable of comprehending my post.

pretty much par for the course coming from someone who thinks that internment camps r for the greater good, lol
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Flexacon on January 05, 2021, 04:17:41 PM
I realize that u r intellectually disabled, full of emotional pride.. and incapable of comprehending my post.

pretty much par for the course coming from someone who thinks that interment camps r for the greater good, lol

Interment camp

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbvYqKA2GnBDyuM7kHDRdLnVIuHwFC9j2SRw&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
Interment camp

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbvYqKA2GnBDyuM7kHDRdLnVIuHwFC9j2SRw&usqp=CAU)

pardon me...  ::)

my post has been amended  ;D
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on January 05, 2021, 06:23:47 PM
They mention several viruses which cause respiratory disease in the patent.

2002 Sars is mentioned as one such virus. They also mention that there was a vaccine developed for it in 2012. It was in inactivated vaccine, but unsuccessful. It was not an mRNA vaccine.

The deliberate part is mentioned because sars was eliminated long before they developed the 2012 sars vaccine. It only existed in various laboratories. The only reason for needing a sars vaccine is if it got out of the lab, eg deliberately released.

That's a pretty bad gaffe, IMO.  They should have said accidentally released.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 05, 2021, 08:51:17 PM
Further, provided are polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA which may contain an internal ribosome entry site (RES). First identified as a feature Picorna virus RNA, IRES plays an important role in initiating protein synthesis in absence of the 5′ cap structure. An IRES may act as the sole ribosome binding site, or may serve as one of multiple ribosome binding sites of an mRNA. Polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA containing more than one functional ribosome binding site may encode several peptides or polypeptides that are translated independently by the ribosomes (“multicistronic nucleic acid molecules”). When polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA are provided with an IRES, further optionally provided is a second translatable region. Examples of IRES sequences that can be used according to the invention include without limitation, those from picornaviruses (e.g. FMDV), pest viruses (CFFV), polio viruses (PV), encephalomyocarditis viruses (ECMV), foot-and-mouth disease viruses (FMDV), hepatitis C viruses (HCV), classical swine fever viruses (CSFV), murine leukemia virus (MLV), simian immune deficiency viruses (SIV) or cricket paralysis viruses (CrPV).

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: epic is back on January 05, 2021, 09:28:33 PM
Has yahoo confirmed this though ?
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: AbrahamG on January 05, 2021, 10:51:53 PM
Has yahoo confirmed this though ?

Time for a new schtick fuckface.
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: epic is back on January 05, 2021, 11:15:23 PM
Cnn

Washington boast

Yahoo

MSNBC

National enquirer

TMZ

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 06, 2021, 07:46:56 PM
this is the rona (a single strand of 'designer' covid19 RNA):

(https://greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Multiple-sequence-alignment-between-spike-proteins-of-2019-nCoV-and-SARS-1024x811.jpg)

those four short (incomplete) sequences of hiv 1 genetic code (black boxes) (verified) inserted within the total RNA genomic sequence of covid19... are a problem.

hiv is a retrovirus... with the ability to enter into the nucleus and change the host cell DNA.

covid is the delivery system by which the hiv snippets gain access into the cell, once inside the cytoplasm (both covid and hiv), the hiv genetic material becomes the way (thru nuclear pore complex) by which the entire genomic sequence of covid is transferred into the nucleus... binding to and permanently changing the host DNA.

thats why hiv was crispred into the rona – gain of function.

its the sequence of covid, assisted into the nucleus by hiv.. that then 'goes viral'.. exporting new DNA.. expressed as a single strand of RNA - from cell to cell – until every last cell in the body is transformed.

making designer rona... in effect a retrovirus – which increases transmissibility (increasing morbidity (not mortality))

also... this 'new DNA'... is in effect artificially procured 'complementary DNA' (cDNA)... which is - patentable.

how did hiv find its way into the rona?

not by accident:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.

more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)

'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier

^ not citing shlubs, here ^

this vaccine will introduce modified, synthetic mRNA (based on 'modified' rona retrovirus)

which will do what?

reverse transcribe into single strand cDNA, generating into double strand cDNA, incorporating into (via integrase enzyme) host cell genome - rendering your innate DNA desolate.

Australian Covid-19 vaccine trials ended after test subjects return 'false positive' HIV results
"Follow up tests confirmed that there is no HIV virus present, just a false positive on certain HIV tests. There is no possibility the vaccine causes infection," the statement added.

Fucboi vaccines!

Further, provided are polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA which may contain an internal ribosome entry site (RES). First identified as a feature Picorna virus RNA, IRES plays an important role in initiating protein synthesis in absence of the 5′ cap structure. An IRES may act as the sole ribosome binding site, or may serve as one of multiple ribosome binding sites of an mRNA. Polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA containing more than one functional ribosome binding site may encode several peptides or polypeptides that are translated independently by the ribosomes (“multicistronic nucleic acid molecules”). When polynucleotides, primary constructs or mmRNA are provided with an IRES, further optionally provided is a second translatable region. Examples of IRES sequences that can be used according to the invention include without limitation, those from picornaviruses (e.g. FMDV), pest viruses (CFFV), polio viruses (PV), encephalomyocarditis viruses (ECMV), foot-and-mouth disease viruses (FMDV), hepatitis C viruses (HCV), classical swine fever viruses (CSFV), murine leukemia virus (MLV), simian immune deficiency viruses (SIV) or cricket paralysis viruses (CrPV).

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 07, 2021, 03:43:13 AM
'In some embodiments, the payload may be a detectable agent, such as various organic small molecules, inorganic compounds, nanoparticles, enzymes or enzyme substrates, fluorescent materials, luminescent materials (e.g., luminol), bioluminescent materials (e.g., luciferase, luciferin, and aequorin), chemiluminescent materials, radioactive materials'

'Detectable label: As used herein, “detectable label” refers to one or more markers, signals, or moieties which are attached, incorporated or associated with another entity that is readily detected by methods known in the art including radiography, fluorescence, chemiluminescence, enzymatic activity, absorbance and the like. Detectable labels include radioisotopes, fluorophores, chromophores, enzymes, dyes, metal ions, ligands such as biotin, avidin, streptavidin and haptens, quantum dots, and the like. Detectable labels may be located at any position in the peptides or proteins disclosed herein. They may be within the amino acids, the peptides, or proteins, or located at the N- or C-termini.'

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Marty Champions on January 09, 2021, 08:04:28 AM
Just like mattc you say more we get less

No one will read your shitpost copy paste

If you know something about covid simply just say it
'In some embodiments, the payload may be a detectable agent, such as various organic small molecules, inorganic compounds, nanoparticles, enzymes or enzyme substrates, fluorescent materials, luminescent materials (e.g., luminol), bioluminescent materials (e.g., luciferase, luciferin, and aequorin), chemiluminescent materials, radioactive materials'

'Detectable label: As used herein, “detectable label” refers to one or more markers, signals, or moieties which are attached, incorporated or associated with another entity that is readily detected by methods known in the art including radiography, fluorescence, chemiluminescence, enzymatic activity, absorbance and the like. Detectable labels include radioisotopes, fluorophores, chromophores, enzymes, dyes, metal ions, ligands such as biotin, avidin, streptavidin and haptens, quantum dots, and the like. Detectable labels may be located at any position in the peptides or proteins disclosed herein. They may be within the amino acids, the peptides, or proteins, or located at the N- or C-termini.'

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200354423A1/en?oq=US+2020%2f0354423+A1
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 09, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
If you know something

I know that your satanic, big nosed ass is going to burn in hell, imbecile.

keep pushing that kabbalah:

kabbalah (in all of its manifestations) is a method of divination and satanic deception by which extremely dark tards stupidly sell their soul (ultimately giving themselves over) for the opportunity to facilitate the destruction of man while believing that they r attaining a correct understanding of reality... lol – when in actual reality, wisdom comes from God.

satan is the father of lies, and is effectively pitting humanity against God... cuz humans r inherently evil.. fallen, born into sin outside of their own volition.. satan knows the nature of man.

knows how to pull them strings.. whisper in that ear

that is why the vast majority of humanity will find themselves in the lake of fire right along with their father satan... they chose to reject God, their Heavenly Father and the only true path to salvation - Jesus

there r two sources of power on earth – and they r wholly different, opposed - not two sides of the same coin.

of course man will believe what he wants lol... and get what he deserves.

u will note the kabbalistic symbolism in my avatar, if u can see it:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Operation_Warp_Speed.png)

Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Zillotch on January 09, 2021, 01:18:44 PM
also, the reason for these 'shitposts'... is cuz I'm pulling evidence to backup the fact that this vaccine is:

this 'vaccine' (biotech system) qualifies as the mark of the beast for these reasons:

it marks one fundamentally – functioning as genetic marker, down to marking the genetic code itself - changing the DNA (via nucleic acid vaccine/mRNA replication process, based on lab created frankenstein rona retrovirus), has complete tracking/surveillance capabilities compatible with - facial recognition, remote sensing etc infrastructures along with the ability to monitor the body internally continuously, as well as the person's behavior and mental state - the totality of human function will be transmitted to the blockchain, in real time - permanently

also ties one into a soon to b single system of economic function, without which one will not b able to 'buy and sell'

this tech will be applied to the hand or forehead, soon... convenient for scanning (convenience is key, lol)

these r some of the technologies involved:

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

NanoLuc® Luciferase as a Genetic Reporter

'A small, bright enzyme like NanoLuc® luciferase is the ideal basis for a sensitive genetic reporter. With an array of NanoLuc® reporter vectors and detection assay formats, you can take your genetic reporter assays to the next level.'

Reporter Viruses

'Because of the small size of the NanoLuc® luciferase reporter gene and the HiBiT tag, they can be inserted into the viral genome without disrupting packaging or enzyme activities, for easy monitoring of viral processes in vivo.'

https://www.promega.com/resources/technologies/nanoluc-luciferase-enzyme/reporter-viruses/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290431897_Functional_nucleic_acid-based_hydrogels_for_bioanalytical_and_biomedical_applications

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.abstract
Title: Re: First person receives Pfizer vaccine in U.K.
Post by: Matt on January 09, 2021, 02:12:55 PM
Just like mattc you say more we get less

No one will read your shitpost copy paste

If you know something about covid simply just say it

His post wasn't that long though.  I found it complicated and highly specialized - not long.

To the contrary, my posts are long AF, but dumbed down so that even a Democrat should be able to understand them.