Joel stubbs is Dorian and Coleman backs Combined.
I think you left out someone. Have you seen Joel Stubbs back? RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!! :o
Pat
(http://www.buildingbodymuscles.com/images/muscular-body-bodybuilding-program.JPEG)
lolHe just isn't flared in that pic... 8)
Dorian has the best back bodybuilding has ever seen.
Lee Preist has the worst back of all time, followed by strydom ..
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.
Holy shit, look at Dorian!!! :o
Makes Colemans back look average. :D
you can't compare the good quality coleman pics to the bad quality yates pics...and the pic posted by coach wouldn't look that impressive with a few more pixels
Dorian has the best back EVER.
I remember watching the Dugdale/Yates training video. He said when he got 2nd place at his first pro show (Night of the champions), he went to the judges and asked them WHY he didn't get 1st place they said he was somewhat shallow in the back.
Dorian's reply to that was "we'll see about that".
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.
Hey ironic you bring that up , Ronnie Coleman , no slouch in the back department said Dorian has the thickest & freakiest back he ever seenWhen did he say that?
When did he say that?
Not doubting you, just wondering
i love working out back.I personally feel the best pump during back day
best female back in the businessPaula Suzuki brother ...fuck yeah !
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/ridiculous.jpg)Along with Haney Beckles had more than likely the best back in the 1980's, @ the 1985 O, Beckles back was outrageous, his overall condition was second to none that year and deserved his runner up spot despite his weak calves, his condition was spot on.
Here we go with this shit again. ::)
Joel Stubbs back is crazy.
Joel Stubbs
Ronnie gutman
sean Ray......his back got shredded unlike no one els.
I'd prefer it if you had a white man on that list
It makes me feel nauseous
Bodybuilding is a black persons sport friend. So is most sports except for hockey. The harsh truth.
Ronnie Coleman
Lee Haney
Flex Wheeler
Are the 3 best blacks in the history of the sport.
Ronnie Coleman
Lee Haney
Flex Wheeler
Are the 3 best blacks in the history of the sport.
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.
I'm a fan of both Ronnie and Dorian ..And as usual you are correct
Hate it or love it , Dorian had the BEST most COMPLETE and PROPORTIONED back EVER ..
T his is my oppinion
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy172.jpg)
Our greatFixed.naturalMr. Getbig 3 champion "Aquiles" has quite the barn door back, just imagine what he'd look like if hestarted juicingwas off the juice :o
I'm in two minds, Dorian has that sick chiselled thickness that Ronnie does seem to lack, but Ronnie 98 has that crazy detail and perfect width.Why are you ignoring Peter "Lights out" Putnam
Dorian has noticeable wonkiness, especially '95 where his left back/trap is bigger and twisted looking a la Federov.
Also, I'm not sure that 287lb Ronnie wouldn't just dwarf 257lb Dorian from the back as well as front.
In the shots that started the thread however, Dorian is winning. Maybe b/w helps a lot though. There are some back double bi shots where Dorian can't come close to Ronnie's width and flared lats with teres major etc..
Well said, as Dorian was by far the most conditioned when comparing him to Dorian.fail
Well said, as Dorian was by far the most conditioned when comparing him to Dorian.well said.
I'm a fan of both Ronnie and Dorian ..
Hate it or love it , Dorian had the BEST most COMPLETE and PROPORTIONED back EVER ..
T his is my oppinion
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy172.jpg)
Bigger isn't always better.....Dorian has better definition and striations and is still massive.
who said Ronnie's back is better simply b/c it's bigger? Ronnie's back in 03 was thicker, wider, and more symmetrical than Dorian's at his prime.
You don't know if it was wider that's pure speculation on your behalf and thicker ( not that I agree with that ) at the cost of being softer
RC alot wider, smaller waist, much better taper. Yates drier, denser.
The only shot with lats spread, arms down, same stage, not on an angle like the one ND's about to produce. ;)
You don't know if it was wider that's pure speculation on your behalf and thicker ( not that I agree with that ) at the cost of being softer
lets discount lat length , detail , density , width , upper , middle and lower total development , what's the advantage of having wider ( again not that I agree with that ) lats if they're higher? Dorian has better traps , they're bigger and thicker and have much better detail , he has lower lats at his best easily just as wide as Ronnie if not wider cover in feather straitions , lower back no contest lats all the way I honestly don't see Ronnie beating Yates in ANY of these areas
It's not the same angle not at all nice try though , Ronnie's smaller waist gives the illusion of a wider back ;) taper has NOTHING to do with who has a better back
This shot of Yates @ his WORST should be scaled against Ronnies "better back". :)
It's not the same angle not at all nice try though , Ronnie's smaller waist gives the illusion of a wider back ;) taper has NOTHING to do with who has a better back
same stage , same contest , Yates is killing Coleman here look at the length , width and thicker of the lats , look at the length of the torsos , how Yates' lats insert insanely lower , look at the length and size of the traps , the detail and density no contest
;)
actually, we do know that Ronnie's back at a heavier weight was wider. We have a pic of both hitting the same pose standing the same distance from the camera (as evident by their heights matching) in 96, and they were already the same width back then. It's silly to believe that Ronnie's back didn't get wider from 96 to 03.
we also have a comparison using Kevin Levrone as a reference that shows Ronnie became wider than Dorian. You cannot claim the pics aren't scaled properly b/c the difference in height is the same between Dorian and Kevin, and Ronnie and Kevin.
the pic of Ronnie used is from the 99 English GP when he weighed about 267 lbs. He was 20 lbs heavier at the 03 Mr. Olympia. There's no logical reason to believe Ronnie in 03 was not wider than Dorian.
ha ha ha, you talk as if Ronnie had high lats. Dorian's lats weren't much longer than Ronnie's, and who's to say that extremely low lats are better? Franco Columbo has the lowest attaching lats and they look awful. Better traps? That's your opinion. Dorian's upper traps were smaller and almost non-existent in some poses. His traps were less symmetrical also. Lats covered in striations? Big deal! So were Ronnie's. As for lower back, Ronnie easily wins this area. How can you honestly claim that Dorian has a better lower back when it looks flat as a pancake compared to Ronnie's?
actually, we do know that Ronnie's back at a heavier weight was wider. We have a pic of both hitting the same pose standing the same distance from the camera (as evident by their heights matching) in 96, and they were already the same width back then. It's silly to believe that Ronnie's back didn't get wider from 96 to 03.
we also have a comparison using Kevin Levrone as a reference that shows Ronnie became wider than Dorian. You cannot claim the pics aren't scaled properly b/c the difference in height is the same between Dorian and Kevin, and Ronnie and Kevin.
the pic of Ronnie used is from the 99 English GP when he weighed about 267 lbs. He was 20 lbs heavier at the 03 Mr. Olympia. There's no logical reason to believe Ronnie in 03 was not wider than Dorian.
ha ha ha, you talk as if Ronnie had high lats. Dorian's lats weren't much longer than Ronnie's, and who's to say that extremely low lats are better? Franco Columbo has the lowest attaching lats and they look awful. Better traps? That's your opinion. Dorian's upper traps were smaller and almost non-existent in some poses. His traps were less symmetrical also. Lats covered in striations? Big deal! So were Ronnie's. As for lower back, Ronnie easily wins this area. How can you honestly claim that Dorian has a better lower back when it looks flat as a pancake compared to Ronnie's?
1-DilletLEE PREIST has to be in this list as well ...if backs were barn doors, all the animals in his barn would walk out.
2-Strydom
3-Dexter Jackson
Classic-taper has nothing to do with better back bwahaahahahahahaaha
Only the desperate resort to a back double-bi shot to compare backs when there are these examples of lat spreads taken on the same stages...DUH :o
This shot of Yates @ his WORST should be scaled against Ronnies "better back". :)
who said Ronnie's back is better simply b/c it's bigger? Ronnie's back in 03 was thicker, wider, and more symmetrical than Dorian's at his prime.Ronnie's back just looks like connected slabs of meat, no striations and less detail.
Ronnie's back just looks like connected slabs of meat, no striations and less detail.
And with regards to lower back, Dorian is clearly superior in terms of detail and dry conditioning.
:o
Dorian is simply on another level in this pic.
No we don't know his back is wider and the pic posted Dorian is to the far left not dead on side-by-side and Dorian doesn't hold his pose like Ronnie does with his lats flared all the way out and that's not even Dorian at his prime , and the pic I posted which is more dead on , a side-by-side comparison of both men on stage clearly shows Dorian's lats are wider no angles involved . obviously Dorian & Ronnie's backs got wider the heavier they became but to say definitively Ronnie's is wider is simply speculation
LMFAO you're always trying to connect the dots from one gut to another , sorry sport to many variables to determine who is wider , such as angle , the moment the picture was snapped , style of hitting the pose , look at the pic of Yates in 1997 when he is fully flexing his lats big difference from other pics
logical reason? lol your ' logic ' leaves a lot to be desired , in an actual pic side-by-side of Yates & Dorian in the same pose Dorian is clearly wider despite only being 7 pounds heavier , no connecting the dots needed and Dorian wasn't even at his best in that pic , he's not at his heaviest and to boot lets entertain he is even wider in 2003 it's a moot point because his back isn't as detailed or as dense as Dorians so it's a paper advantage which means nothing , he has wider albeit higher , less detailed , less dense lats some advantage lol
No Ronnie doesn't have high lats in the Orville Burke context , however they're still higher than Dorian's and this is where the torso length comes into play something you obviously didn't take into account . and who's to say low lats are better? nice attempt at dismissing muscle length , that's like saying a guy with high calves are better than Dorians just nonsense.
Better traps that is my opinion and it's based on facts not fantasy like you , just look at the back double biceps shot of Yates & Ronnie , just look at the sheer size of Dorian's traps in relation to Ronnie's it's no contest at all , Dorian's traps are bigger , they're longer . you can't change muscle length so no matter how heavy Ronnie became his traps would never be as big as Dorian's , ontop of never being as dense or as detailed , Dorian's you can actually see striations and a split between upper & lower traps and Yates' upper traps were smaller and almost nonexistent in some poses fuck me this isn't even worth a cognizant reply
Ronnie's lats aren't covered in striations like Dorian nice try and trying to equal up on that one , it's night and day and part of the reason Dorian's x-mass tree blows Ronnie's out of the water , Dorian's are feather from point A to point B . and lower back lol you think because you can see in indent on Ronnie's lower back that means it's somehow better lol talking about the thickness of the spinal erectors the detail the sharpness , this is is part of the reason Dorian's x-mass tree is so great and Ronnie's isn't
Let me wrap up why Dorian has a better back
He has larger & better traps with separation between the upper & lower not to mention striations
Look at the difference in in size & detail of the teres & infraspinatus another clear advantage to Dorian especially if you look at the back double biceps of both of them
lats , Dorian are thicker , lower and more striated , even entertaining the idea that Ronnie's in 2003 would be wider it wouldn't be by any great margin and what advantage of is being wider with shorter lats with less density & detail? lol none
lower back look at the staggering difference in spinal erector thickness & detail it's no contest
Dorian's back has advantages Ronnies doesn't it's that simple.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=287639;image)
If 'Flex' says so, then it must be true..........
And Ronnie's back still lacks the detail, striations and overall conditioning of Dorian in those pics. Ronnie almost has a smooth 'plastic' look in comparison to the grainy look of Dorian, weird
The bottom line is that the original photo that started this thread perfectly illustrates Dorian's superiority. Even with Ronnie being shown carrying his much heralded size from 2003, it isn't enough. Yates had the most complete muscular back of all time.Thread Closed.
The bottom line is that the original photo that started this thread perfectly illustrates Dorian's superiority. Even with Ronnie being shown carrying his much heralded size from 2003, it isn't enough. Yates had the most complete muscular back of all time.
The bottom line is that the original photo that started this thread perfectly illustrates Dorian's superiority.
wrong. You are comparing an offseason photoshoot pic of Dorian to a candid shot of contest Ronnie.
So you're not contesting the fact that Dorian's back is better, just whether the shot of Dorian is from a contest or off season. Gotcha.
how many weeks out was this pic taken?about the same amount of weeks out when this picture was taken.
yawn, the pics don't lie. Ronnie was already the same width as Dorian in 96, and even wider in 03. Spare me the lame excuse "he doesn't hold his pose like Ronnie does." ::) I don't see that stopping you from posting the back double biceps shot where Dorian is fully hitting the pose while Ronnie isn't flaring his lats yet. Let's also not forget that Dorian was much closer to his prime than Ronnie.
how is posting comparisons using Kevin Levrone as a reference "trying to connect the dots?" It's as simple as B is almost as wide as A but much narrower than C.
silly boy, I own your ass in logic. So don't belittle my reasoning abilities b/c it only makes you look foolish. The back double biceps pic you keep posting doesn't prove anything. Dorian and Ronnie aren't hitting the identical pose, and Dorian was 1 yr away from his prime while Ronnie wouldn't peak for another 5-7 yrs (depending on version).
Oh noes, Ronnie has higher lats that Dorian! The difference is only like 1 cm. ::)
upper traps? Where are you?
my, how easy it is to disprove you with pics. ;D
now let me wrap up why Ronnie has a better back. ;)
yawn, the pics don't lie. Ronnie was already the same width as Dorian in 96, and even wider in 03. Spare me the lame excuse "he doesn't hold his pose like Ronnie does." ::) I don't see that stopping you from posting the back double biceps shot where Dorian is fully hitting the pose while Ronnie isn't flaring his lats yet. Let's also not forget that Dorian was much closer to his prime than Ronnie.
how is posting comparisons using Kevin Levrone as a reference "trying to connect the dots?" It's as simple as B is almost as wide as A but much narrower than C.
silly boy, I own your ass in logic. So don't belittle my reasoning abilities b/c it only makes you look foolish. The back double biceps pic you keep posting doesn't prove anything. Dorian and Ronnie aren't hitting the identical pose, and Dorian was 1 yr away from his prime while Ronnie wouldn't peak for another 5-7 yrs (depending on version).
Oh noes, Ronnie has higher lats that Dorian! The difference is only like 1 cm. ::)
upper traps? Where are you?
my, how easy it is to disprove you with pics. ;D
now let me wrap up why Ronnie has a better back. ;)
wrong. You are comparing an offseason photoshoot pic of Dorian to a candid shot of contest Ronnie. Ronnie isn't even fully hitting the pose yet. If you want to compare apples to apples instead of apples to oranges, here are better comparisons than the one the OP posted.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie26Redo.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)
just ask ND. The idiot repeatedly quoted Team Flex when they voted Dorian as having the best back of all-time. If anyone tried to argue otherwise, his response would be "so you think you know more than a bunch of experts who saw Dorian and Ronnie in person? LOLOL" ::)
what Ronnie's back lacks compared to Dorian's, he makes up for in other ways. Ronnie has better width, thickness, symmetry, and taper. Dorian's back looks flat as a pancake in some poses... weird. :-\
just ask ND. The idiot repeatedly quoted Team Flex when they voted Dorian as having the best back of all-time. If anyone tried to argue otherwise, his response would be "so you think you know more than a bunch of experts who saw Dorian and Ronnie in person? LOLOL" ::)
what Ronnie's back lacks compared to Dorian's, he makes up for in other ways. Ronnie has better width, thickness, symmetry, and taper. Dorian's back looks flat as a pancake in some poses... weird. :-\
wrong. You are comparing an offseason photoshoot pic of Dorian to a candid shot of contest Ronnie. Ronnie isn't even fully hitting the pose yet. If you want to compare apples to apples instead of apples to oranges, here are better comparisons than the one the OP posted.
LMFAO when in doubt crack out the extremely biased CREATIONS of your own design LMFAO that's when you know you lost , pictures are a joke and always have been , Dorian's lats , traps and torso and all longer and bigger than Ronnies yet in your heavily slanted ' comparisons ' they're the same length lol not to mention calf size , Dorian's waist is narrower lol
you're a joke the ultimate fan-boy get this garbage out of here
this is an actually side-by-side comparison , study it fan-boy it's called reality ;)
in that comparison? Yes. I can do the same and use a flattering pic of Ronnie and an unflattering pic of Dorian. Rather than looking smarter, you just made yourself look dumb. Think before you speak next time. ;)
:'(
Is this comparison supposed to favour Ronnie over Dorian? Fail! Dorian's back is much better overall.
The bottom line is that the original photo that started this thread perfectly illustrates Dorian's superiority. Even with Ronnie being shown carrying his much heralded size from 2003, it isn't enough. Yates had the most complete muscular back of all time.YOU FALL FOR ALL KINDS OF PHOTO ENCHANCEMENTS DONT CHA......YOU CAN TELL THAT THE DORIAN PIC WAS WAS RESIZED DOWN FROM THE TOP TO BOTTOM TO MAKE IT APPEAR WIDER THEN MAYBE WIDENED FROM LEFT TO RIGHT OR WHATEVA.......WOW JUST WOW.
MELTDOWN
Stop resorting to back double-bis for lat comparisons. ::)
:'(
The bottom line is that the original photo that started this thread perfectly illustrates Dorian's superiority. Even with Ronnie being shown carrying his much heralded size from 2003, it isn't enough. Yates had the most complete muscular back of all time.
can you tell us what is wrong with his aids quads?
NO SEPERATION
So, essentially you're saying that Ronnie's 2003 form is unflattering. You said it smart guy.
LMFAO I've seen your pics and the irony of you typing anything there Tom Platzbeside the black steroid user
beside the black steroid user:-\
I had the biggest legs in Mr. getbig
please, do prove me wrong ::)
YOU FALL FOR ALL KINDS OF PHOTO ENCHANCEMENTS DONT CHA......YOU CAN TELL THAT THE DORIAN PIC WAS WAS RESIZED DOWN FROM THE TOP TO BOTTOM TO MAKE IT APPEAR WIDER THEN MAYBE WIDENED FROM LEFT TO RIGHT OR WHATEVA.......WOW JUST WOW.
no shit.
dorian needs enhancement to compete with Ronnie's best..
look at the regular sized pic compared to the squashed 'wide' one in the comparison.. ::)
Hey ND, was this your work too? lol
beside the black steroid user
I had the biggest legs in Mr. getbig
please, do prove me wrong ::)
This coming from the guy who was BUSTED by Kevin Horton for posting WORKED pictures for months , I laugh at your stupidity
Ronnie Coleman on Dorian Yates 2003 , " The Thickest & Freakiest Back I ever seen ;) case closed once again YOUR hero concedes to Dorian's clear superiority ;)
how does it feel having your own hero defeat everyone one of your points? it must suck lol
its funny how the only shots of dorian that get compared to Ronnie are the enhanced ones..LOL
what does that say about dorian's physique in comparison? a whole lot...
just ask Mr. Photoshop himself, ND..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0
see for yourself..
ND is a master at making his hero look 'better' lol ::)
we've already established Ronnie's traps aren't bigger than Dorians
Dorian has a clear advantage in traps period.
ronnie has class, and is humble.
everyone knows he has the best back ever, but he won't be the one to brag about it..
he'd rather give the lesser guys a chance - like dorian!
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
ND why do you even fucking bother?
are you blind? :o
Ronnie is MUCH better than yates
That proves what? your bias and stupidity ? different angles , proves NOTHING look at the back shot of them actually side-by-side on the same stage , show me pics of Ronnie with BIGGER traps which is impossible because muscle length can't be improved , show me pics of Ronnie with separations between the upper & lower traps , show me pics of Ronnie with striated traps and I'll be waiting :)
I absolutely hate both of you fucks.
SHUT UP
you fucking idiots
how could you go on for years having a debate and not come to a conclusion
Ronnie is better now get on with your lives
Not as much as Hulkster hates me ;D which is why like a lost puppy he follows me around looking for attention .No, actually it might be more than that other kunt hates you. Pull your head out of your ass and get over it already. ::)
dead last at the GetBig , you know what again? ;)I know that Ronnie is better than Dorian
:'(
sorry dorian
I know that Ronnie is better than Dorian
and that Hulkster and you should get a room, make out and have kids already
you two are obsessed with each other :o
Huckster, you have once again shown a prime example of self owning. Even as good as Ronnie looked in 1998, if a physique like the one Dorian sported in the black and white photo you posted had stepped on stage, Ronnie would have been annihilated. It's right in front of your eyes, but you choose not to see it because unlike ND, who is objective and uses logic, you are blinded by your bias.
epic revealing of your fantasies , I don't follow him or bother him , he follows me .
ok, since you two can't settle it by debating after years
let me help you out
Dorian = 6 Olympias
Ronnie = 8 Olympias
Ronnie wins
Ha ha ha ha I love the ' humble ' excuse he told Jay he was on crack to think he could ever beat him , why not be humble to Jay? he said Jay would need to be reborn with better genetics to ever beat him lol humble? he said being white helped Jay beat him , what was that about humble again? ;) he said Gunther didn't beat him in 02 , humble what? yeah I thought soGood point ND, that "humble point" was in print for all to see.
Ronnie knows Yates would wipe the floor with him , only his nutt-hugging fan-boys don't
Dorian's back is the best he's ever seen , and Samir said the same thing it's old news
wow Hulkster tried this retard logic eons ago , Dorian has a win/loss record of 88% compared to Ronnie's 40% Dorian never placed lower than second place in ANY pro contest , Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times Ronnie never beat Dorian , I hope this helps ;)I believe you and hulkster have had the discussion about Ronnie looking like shit in the early years
I believe you and hulkster have had the discussion about Ronnie looking like shit in the early years
just making sure you see this stuff
yates had no arms, no quad seperation
and a huge HGH gut
you do see it right? :o
wow Hulkster tried this retard logic eons ago , Dorian has a win/loss record of 88% compared to Ronnie's 40% Dorian never placed lower than second place in ANY pro contest , Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times Ronnie never beat Dorian , I hope this helps ;)
That right there should quash any debate!
wow Hulkster tried this retard logic eons ago , Dorian has a win/loss record of 88% compared to Ronnie's 40% Dorian never placed lower than second place in ANY pro contest , Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times Ronnie never beat Dorian , I hope this helps ;)Dorian retired as a MR OLYMPIA champion, even @ his worst he was STILL too much for Nasser, kevin, shawn, Paul and Ronnie coleman @ his worst he STILL beat them all.
Seriously, painful existance to both of you.
Dorian retired as a MR OLYMPIA champion, even @ his worst he was STILL too much for Nasser, kevin, shawn, Paul and Ronnie coleman @ his worst he STILL beat them all.
Not really , I posted on many other topics unlike Hulkster who is a one trick pony , I help out a lot of other members with pictures and articles from magazine , I haven't post in the truce thread for almost a year , I gave up on them eons ago , how it's them who have been reduced to following ME around from thread to thread looking to equal the score because I beat them over the head with logic , I entertain their nonsense some of the time then leaving them all angry again , it works like a charm , so you're wrong sorry.No, really.....smashed fingers in the car door.
Right Dorian DOMINATED Flex Wheeler at the pinnacle of his career in 1993 , Flex said Dorian was unbeatable , Ronnie at his best just barely beat Flex who was obviously past his prime by then , in 1999 Flex turned his back on Ronnie and claimed he's #1 lolYeah thats also a good point ND, Dorian defeated a PRIME 1993 Flex Wheeler, someone else here seems to beleave Flex's best was in the Late 1990s when Ronnie (not Dorian) went head to head with Flex ??? ??? ???
Yeah thats also a good point ND, Dorian defeated a PRIME 1993 Flex Wheeler, someone else here seems to beleave Flex's best was in the Late 1990s when Ronnie (not Dorian) went head to head with Flex ??? ??? ???
:-*too easy ;D
post a pic that compares, and no it can't be a back shot ::)
too easy ;Depic self ownage
So, essentially you're saying that Ronnie's 2003 form is unflattering. You said it smart guy.
No, I said the pic used of Ronnie in the original comparison is unflattering. Pick any version of Dorian, and I can find an unflattering pic of him too. What did I tell you about thinking before you speak? By the way, thanks for the compliment. ;)
3 Best Backs in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT
1. Yates.Coleman
2. Stubbs.Yates
3. Coleman.Stubbs
SUCKMYMUSCLE
A class of his ownThanks for that one. Great post.
until now...
Ronnie has the best back in the history of bodybuilding
and watch out for Victor Martinez in the very soon.
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=287028;image)
and Dorian was 1 yr away from his prime while Ronnie wouldn't peak for another 5-7 yrs (depending on version).
Indeed, you have again confirmed that 2003 did not represent a flattering version of Ronnie. A year very much touted as him "raising the bar" sort to speak. Despite all his mass, you as much as agreed that Dorian was superior. Thanks for playing. ;D
Too easy is right! It will be especially funny when Hulkster tries to defend his hero, who is getting smoked in that rear lat spread comparison.
ND why do you even fucking bother?
are you blind? :o
Ronnie is MUCH better than yates
4 Yates induced meltdown posts. Give it a rest Hulkster. Getbig doesn't give a shit about you.
tell that to ND, a man so desparate he has to photoshop dorian shots for 'comparisons' against Ronnie lolHulkster...that's not how you shut up. Try not posting in a Ronnie/Dorian thread. Go on...give it a go.
::)
4 Yates induced meltdown posts. Give it a rest Hulkster. Getbig doesn't give a shit about you.
tell that to ND, a man so desparate he has to photoshop dorian shots for 'comparisons' against Ronnie lol
::)
because ND is blind and stupid. period.
I guess Ronnie is blind and stupid too ;) owned .....next
tell us what Ronnie has said
you keep bringing up this bullshit
tell us, what did he say
He said that he couldn't beat Dorian on three separate occasions ;)as in he couldn't bea him back in the day or as in ever?
next
as in he couldn't bea him back in the day or as in ever?
He said this after Dorian retired and when he was winning OlympiasND owning minds as usual. Using facts versus personal opinions. AXA "Stringbean" you are punching above your weight here "champ" Go back to worshipping Levrone's synthol G4P pics.
lol even FUX looks better than dorian LOLHulkster why do you bother debating with this moron?
of course he said that. its a direct comment on the political climate of the sport back then.were politics in full force in 2001, 2002 etc?
anyone who cannot understand this is naive and stupid.
the reigning Mr. O could not lose back in those days. the politics were in full force.
see 1994, 1996 1997 etc.
it was even worse with the Ms Olympias.. see 1994 when an emaciated Lenda was given the crown over a near perfect Laura, just as a bloated and torn up dorian was given the crown over a near prefect shawn ray.. ::)
the IFBB was creating 'dynasties' based on name and not merit.
its why shawn ray or Laura crevealle did not rightfully pick up their olympias, even though everyone has always said they were screwed..
Ronnie is not stupid.
even though comparing dorian 97 to Ronnie 98 is downright LAUGHABLE..the judges no doubt would have given the reigning mr. o the crown anyways... ::)
how would dorian have fared?: LOL ::)
you be the judge:
every time ND posts and his band of fellow nuthuggers trail behind him, I think of this pic. ;D
every time ND posts and his band of fellow nuthuggers trail behind him, I think of this pic. ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Misc/Trolls.jpg)
I find this amusing, considering that you've replied to several of our posts on other threads when we weren't even talking to you. It's quite the nerve you have to call anyone toll, I must say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
were politics in full force in 2001, 2002 etc?
As Shawn Ray said, this pic is meaningless because 'teh Chad wasn't on the scene at this point. Refer to 2003 Ronni back double bi and eat your own dillusions my friend.
I find this amusing, considering that you've replied to several of our posts on other threads when we weren't even talking to you. It's quite the nerve you have to call anyone toll, I must say.
You're included in my band of Nutthuggers you , Hulkster , pumpster and others all follow ME around . thanks for playing.
epic delusions. I've barely posted on Getbig lately. I have a gf now and I recently got accepted to physician assistant school provided I finish my online medical terminology course. I've also been trying to get back into shape after my hernia surgery 4 months ago (which is why I didn't do the Mr. Getbig III). I couldn't start working out full throttle until 2 months ago. Anyway, I couldn't even tell you when the last time I responded to you was and you probably don't know either. So spare me your delusions that I'm following you around. We both just happened to post in a thread called "3 Best Backs in the History of the Sport." Gee, who would've seen that one coming? ::)
Bullshit plain & simple . just because you haven't been around lately doesn't mean a thing , I haven't posted much lately either , however you and Hulkster and pumpster have a long track record of specifically following me around from thread to thread everytime you dummies see " NarcissisticDeity " or " Dorian Yates ' you idiots would be there doing what? trolling , you're a hypocrite and a liar and I don't have the desire to prove you wrong yet again by searching posts , so when you imply someone is a troll you're only exposing yourself so keep proving me right you Hulkster & pumpsters GetBig life revolves around me and Dorian Yates , I haven't posted in the Truce Thread in almost a year and when I stopped the Truce Thread followed ME around , you included.
you guys are debating all day and night about who has the better back
this guy obviously has dorian and ronnie beat ;D
and he is inside the bathtub :D ;D
Are you some kind of a horrible nightmare, AXA?
SemenHole(NeoSeminole), the uber troll, the guy who, when the truce thread was still only a couple hundred pages long, started to post pictures of barrels with twigs sticking out and trees with tiny trunks saying they were pictures of Yates. The guy who started posting pictures of old people with sun-burned skin and claiming that this was what Dorian's famous conditioning was all about. The guy who claims that Ronnie at 247lbs carried more mass than he did 10 lbs heavier and that two people at the same bodyfat will have the exact same degree of musculr definition, which anyone can see that is not true. The guy who has consistently shown poor judgement, faulty logic and immense bias in favor of his hero(eg: Ronnie 2003 is better than Sergio Oliva!). The irony of this loser calling me a troll. The funny thing is that I don't even coider Dorian the greatest bodybuilder ever, while SemenHole worships the floor Ronnie steps on. There is nothing left to say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you guys are debating all day and night about who has the better back
this guy obviously has dorian and ronnie beat ;D
and he is inside the bathtub :D ;D
no matter what others might say....you actually did the pose well....props! :Dthanks :D
ha ha ha, translation: "I can't think of a good response. So I'm just going to make up a bunch of shit to make him look wrong and then claim I'm too busy to back any of it up." ;D
I don't follow you around. I've barely responded to you in the last several months. I haven't done anything hypocritical and I haven't lied. Unlike you, I actually have a life. I work, lift weights, have a gf, spend time with friends, and study. I recently had surgery and got accepted to grad school. I could care less about an anonymous poster on Getbig. You are a nobody, but if believing that my life revolves around you makes you feel special, then go right ahead. ;)
I don't follow you around. I've barely responded to you in the last several months. I haven't done anything hypocritical and I haven't lied. Unlike you, I actually have a life. I work, lift weights, have a gf, spend time with friends, and study. I recently had surgery and got accepted to grad school. I could care less about an anonymous poster on Getbig. You are a nobody, but if believing that my life revolves around you makes you feel special, then go right ahead. ;)
As soon as I was thinking AXA might be the dumbest poster in the history of getbig, my old friend SUCKY enters the fray. Good to see you back posting ridiculous drivel, SUCKY!
You still might be the dumbest person to ever have posted at getbig.
thanks :DYeah monster back
I got it right for once
yates and coleman can eat their hearts out ;D
lights out, game over rear lat spread hahahahaha
Yeah monster back
(http://flashrob.com/mrgb2/AXA/ASJblspread.jpg)
Yeah monster back
epic not understanding sarcasm :o
what else can I expect from a guy who works at burger king ::)
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ND...I have a hard time distinguishing your sarcasm and reality so please clarify ;D
I thought Yates started training in his 20's ???
when Shawn Ray turned pro
Everyone is afraid to turn around! Who could blame them when competing against the greatest back ever!
Everyone is afraid to turn around! Who could blame them when competing against the greatest back ever!
epic not understanding sarcasm :o
what else can I expect from a guy who works at burger king ::)
they aren't turning around because they smoked dorian from the front and they knew it...
So you don't dispute that Dorian has the distinction of having the greatest back of all time. Good to see you on board Hulkster. Pretty soon you'll even have a Dorian avatar. ;D
So you don't dispute that Dorian has the distinction of having the greatest back of all time. Good to see you on board Hulkster. Pretty soon you'll even have a Dorian avatar. ;D
he had the greatest back ever when he competed, but that standard was far eclipsed by Ronnie later on.
just ask Peter McGough, ND's best friend and worst enemy lol
yes, he provides a detailed analytical basis that is disproven with every peice of visual support he has ever shown for it LOL
::)
dorian had a great back - second best ever.
behind Ronnie at his peak..
Bullshit , show me the pictures of Ronnie's traps that are larger , separated at the upper & lower and striated . YOU CANNOT do it , Show me pictures of Ronnie's teres & infraspinatus that come close to Dorian YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie with lats with a better sweep that insert near his waist YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie's x-mass tree that beats Dorians YOU CANNOT do itJesus Christ. ND schooling the tiny tits as usual.
Dorian's back has everything Ronnie's does and MORE , and now you're reduced to using McGough when it suits YOUR purposes but when it doesn't he's a no nothing lol epic hypocrisy
Ronnie himself said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen and this was in 2003 ;) what now? yeah I thought so
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
what now? yeah I thought so ;)
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
what now? yeah I thought so ;)
ALL of these were AFTER Dorian retired so much for Coleman and his better back .
All you can do is deny it's all you have left.
Hulkster = owned as usual .
Bullshit , show me the pictures of Ronnie's traps that are larger , separated at the upper & lower and striated . YOU CANNOT do it , Show me pictures of Ronnie's teres & infraspinatus that come close to Dorian YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie with lats with a better sweep that insert near his waist YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie's x-mass tree that beats Dorians YOU CANNOT do it
Dorian's back has everything Ronnie's does and MORE , and now you're reduced to using McGough when it suits YOUR purposes but when it doesn't he's a no nothing lol epic hypocrisy
Ronnie himself said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen and this was in 2003 ;) what now? yeah I thought so
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
what now? yeah I thought so ;)
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
what now? yeah I thought so ;)
ALL of these were AFTER Dorian retired so much for Coleman and his better back .
All you can do is deny it's all you have left.
Hulkster = owned as usual .
Bullshit , show me the pictures of Ronnie's traps that are larger , separated at the upper & lower and striated . YOU CANNOT do it , Show me pictures of Ronnie's teres & infraspinatus that come close to Dorian YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie with lats with a better sweep that insert near his waist YOU CANNOT do it , show me pictures of Ronnie's x-mass tree that beats Dorians YOU CANNOT do it
and this is why you dont understand the juding process.Have you ever asked Ronnie can you blow him?
you pick on individual muscles, while ignoring other traits.
eg. dorian's back was paper thin compared to ronnie's his taper not as good, his arms garbage, his lower back paper thin.
ronnie's back blows his best away:
better arms, thicker, better taper: overall much better:
Peter McGough agrees. and he knows far more than you LOL
and this is why you dont understand the juding process.
you pick on individual muscles, while ignoring other traits.
eg. dorian's back was paper thin compared to ronnie's his taper not as good, his arms garbage, his lower back paper thin.
ronnie's back blows his best away:
better arms, thicker, better taper, his detail and delination just as good except for the trapezius.: overall much better:
Peter McGough agrees. and he knows far more than you LOL
Hulkster, you just owned the shit out of yourself with those pics. Ha ha! ;D
and this is why you dont understand the juding process.
you pick on individual muscles, while ignoring other traits.
eg. dorian's back was paper thin compared to ronnie's his taper not as good, his arms garbage, his lower back paper thin.
ronnie's back blows his best away:
better arms, thicker, better taper, his detail and delination just as good except for the trapezius.: overall much better:
Peter McGough agrees. and he knows far more than you LOL
and this is why you dont understand the juding process.
you pick on individual muscles, while ignoring other traits.
eg. dorian's back was paper thin compared to ronnie's his taper not as good, his arms garbage, his lower back paper thin.
ronnie's back blows his best away:
better arms, thicker, better taper, his detail and delination just as good except for the trapezius.: overall much better:
Peter McGough agrees. and he knows far more than you LOL
LMFAO Dorian's back was ' paper thin ' compared to Ronnie LMMFAO you just posted a pic of a 247 pound Ronnie and claimed his back is thicker than a 257 pound Dorian Yates LMMFAO you're retardedMonster owning.
and your pathetic attempt at an analysis is laughable his back is better because he has ' better arms ' lmfao thicker? talk about a blanket statement , Ronnie's back isn;t as thick as Dorian being 10 pounds lighter , better detail ? where ? where is the better detail?
Ronnie said Dorian's back was the best ever and he knows far more than you
Samir said Dorian's back was the best ever and he knows far more than you
Team Flex in 2000 said Dorian back was the best ever and they know far more than you
Markus Rhul said Dorian;s back was the best ever and he knows far more than you
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. said Dorian's back was the best ever and he knows far more than you
I said Dorian's back was the best ever and I clearly know far more than YOU
thanks for exposing yourself as the ignorant bias stupid troll you are
and look up the word backfire and see how Dorian is destroying Ronnie in that pics
You just posted pics of Dorian destroying Ronnie's smooth plastic looking back........ ???
exactly, the lighting from Ronnie's pic is much better but his back is inferior to Yates
Yates has a bigger more striated back
he had the greatest back ever when he competed, but that standard was far eclipsed by Ronnie later on.
just ask Peter McGough, ND's best friend and worst enemy lol
just ask ronnie himself.
u think your so smart by posting quotes from certain people, thinking we don't know about the others.
fucking idiot.
ronnie ,july FLEX 2003, well after ronnie's best showings:
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
lol Hulkster is owned as usual he's like a prison bitch being handed from inmate to inmate being violated lol
No one ever has disputed his dominance against shawn and nasser from the back.
From the front however the situation is reversed.
My my, how ever did the judges award this man perfect scores.
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.Sorry but IMO Pete does NOT belong in that departemnt. His back is just another back on stage. Yates, Coleman, and LEE (BIG BACK) HANEY had the ones that had you begging for the head judge to ask for rear lat spreads!!! Petes cool but his bakc is just (yaaaawn) another back.
He dominated everyone from every angle , did you miss the part where he meets ALL of the criteria better than his contemporaries ? all rounds are physique rounds , while some of his contemporaries meet part(s) of the criteria better than him NONE of them meet all of the criteria better than him and that's how contests are judged.
ND, funny isn't it that no matter how obvious Dorian's advantage is, there are those that will suggest the exact opposite. They even have the audacity to try dispute 1993 and 1995, where Dorian was unquestionably worlds better than the rest. I can recall Paul Dillet, in Flex, in reference to the 1995 contest, saying how unreal Dorian was and that he was just glad to not be near Dorian onstage so as not to look bad in comparison. Somehow, admissions by top conteders themselves are not to be believed, as "experts" such as Hulkster know better.
Dorian owning the shit out of everyone, as usual! ;D Poor Shawn and Nasser. :'( Would you care to dispute Yates's dominance in this shot, Hulkster?
you guys still going at it? This subject has already been covered withRonnieDorian being declared the overwhelming victor and Greatest of All Time. Now enjoy your Thanksgiving break!
;) ;) ;)
skip to 56 sec.
"the most incredible back in bodybuilding history, I believe, right there. Dorian was noted for his back. Lee Haney for his, but this man's back is just like something out of a comic book."
;) ;) ;)
skip to 56 sec.
"the most incredible back in bodybuilding history, I believe, right there. Dorian was noted for his back. Lee Haney for his, but this man's back is just like something out of a comic book."
Honestly, Ronnie's back looks like it's holding water in that clip. Not to fear, however, that is not the case in this one.
;) ;) ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/FlexBestBack.jpg)
Honestly, Ronnie's back looks like it's holding water in that clip. Not to fear, however, that is not the case in this one.
ha ha ha, what do you know? You weren't even at the contest. So your opinion means shit.
That means what? it's true? that was 2002 his back was ' soft ' compared to 2001 ACS and 1998 what advantage is a soft back?
Again Ronnie himself said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back HE ever seen this counts less than what Mike Mattarazzo says? or others? you're not looking objectively , just looking for anyone who will agree with you.
ha ha ha, what do you know? You weren't even at the contest. So your opinion means shit.
bwahahaha, all those years of reading Flex magazine in your mom's basement has made you delusional. So you think you know more than a paid bodybuilding commentator who was actually there?
yawn, Ronnie also said he deserved to win the 06 Mr. Olympia (which you conveniently ignore). So he has proven himself not a reliable person to judge physiques. ;)
bwahahaha, all those years of reading Flex magazine in your mom's basement has made you delusional. So you think you know more than a paid bodybuilding commentator who was actually there?
yawn, Ronnie also said he deserved to win the 06 Mr. Olympia (which you conveniently ignore). So he has proven himself not a reliable person to judge physiques. ;)
This is a know photo of the two side-by-side on stage , just 7 pounds separate the two and look at the staggering difference in backs in terms of width , detail and thickness , look at the size of the traps now seeing one can't lengthen their muscles Ronnie's traps will NEVER be as big as Dorian's no matter how heavy he becomes , his teres & infraspinatus will never be as big as Dorian's , his lats will NEVER insert as low as Dorian's , the only way he can improve is width and thickness , two areas Dorian excelled at , how does a wider softer back constitute a better back at the expense of size * density? I think not and this isn't even Dorian at his best or heaviest , his back at 269 pounds destroys anything Ronnie has ever shown
DEAL WITH IT.
ha ha ha, keep following me around like a lost puppy dog. I know you missed me during my 1 day absence from Getbig b/c you were eager to respond to me. You even responded to my post to Mr.1derful. Face it, I own your ass ;)
So, you want people to agree with your assertion based upon the viewing of the clip you provided, but should they disagree, their opinion is then null and void and a prerequisite to have been at the contest live is the only detail for consideration? Something about your answer involuntarily suggests that you know Dorian is better in the clip posted, and being unable to counter with a valid argument, you then present your feeble rebuttal.
ha ha ha, keep following me around like a lost puppy dog. I know you missed me during my 1 day absence from Getbig b/c you were eager to respond to me. You even responded to my post to Mr.1derful. Face it, I own your ass ;)
So, you don't dispute that Yates is clearly superior in the comparison that ND posted. Got it. Moving right along...
nah, I actually encourage people to share their opinion. I was just parodying ND's typical retort whenever he posts a quote supporting Dorian.
ND, ironic that no one wants to endeavor to rebute the clips posted, or your actual comparison photo, complete with detailed analysis. Perhaps we should conclude such silence as agreement that Yates, as is clear, is better. It's their way of agreeing, while saving face.
ND, ironic that no one wants to endeavor to rebute the clips posted, or your actual comparison photo, complete with detailed analysis. Perhaps we should conclude such silence as agreement that Yates, as is clear, is better. It's their way of agreeing, while saving face.
I don't need to dispute what ND says. He already knows that I feel Ronnie at his best would beat Dorian.
Even though Dorian is at his worst in this shot, Ronnie never managed to come close to this.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15601-3/1997-mr-olympia-189.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=8519acac93a3763e6c97ceed70ad82d6)
You see, simply having a feeling isn't something that can be presented as fact. It cannot even be passed of as a probability, without any corresponding basis to reinforce it. ND has provided a detailed explanation for his point of view, which no one has the capacity to refute. Or perhaps more accurately, Ronnie has not the back on which to rest an argument, in order to refute him.
see above.
its not hard to see why ronnie's back was ranked above dorian's
this is the best shot of dorian's back ever taken, (the famous 93 shots) and his back is paper thin compared to ronnie's
it lacks the thickness, taper and has garbage arms to complete the pose.
it has better symmetry (traps not uneven and one trap doesn't totally overpower the other trap like dorian) and better deliniation between the muscle groups.
also, no jay culter like wrinkles of loose skin above the tights.
you wanted analysis? you got one. a
and unlike all the guy bullshit, the visuals SUPPORT the analysis, unlike ND and his bullshit.
its not even close:
its not hard to see why ronnie's back was ranked above dorian's
this is the best shot of dorian's back ever taken, (the famous 93 shots) and his back is paper thin compared to ronnie's
it lacks the thickness, taper and has garbage arms to complete the pose.
it has better symmetry (traps not uneven and one trap doesn't totally overpower the other trap like dorian) and better deliniation between the muscle groups.
also, no jay culter like wrinkles of loose skin above the tights.
you wanted analysis? you got one. a
and unlike all the guy bullshit, the visuals SUPPORT the analysis, unlike ND and his bullshit.
its not even close:
Oh and your bitch about wrinkles and you proceed to post a picture of Ronnie with wrinkles right under his lats LMMFAO see backfire you know the way you've been there many times
but dorian is famous for those wrinkles onstage and off.
ronnies only show up in non contest shape.
if dorian had stood against Ronnie, dorian's wrinkes would have been in full force.
and when competing against history's greatest back, dorian could not afford to have ugly flaws like that in his back.
sorry.
but dorian is famous for those wrinkles onstage and off.
ronnies only show up in non contest shape.
if dorian had stood against Ronnie, dorian's wrinkes would have been in full force.
and when competing against history's greatest back, dorian could not afford to have ugly flaws like that in his back.
sorry.
You've yet to demonstrate how and where his back is better because you can't period .
Dorian has better traps , better lats , better teres , better infraspinatus , better spinal erectors , so again where is this better back? lol
How so?
Other than "has better this better that"
How do you judge teres and infraspinatus development?
With your eyes genius . ;D
How so?
Other than "has better this better that"
How do you judge teres and infraspinatus development?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/rediculous.jpg)Go Beckles!
but dorian is famous for those wrinkles onstage and off.
ronnies only show up in non contest shape.
if dorian had stood against Ronnie, dorian's wrinkes would have been in full force.
and when competing against history's greatest back, dorian could not afford to have ugly flaws like that in his back.
sorry.
it lacks the thickness, taper and has garbage arms to complete the pose.
you wanted analysis? you got one. a
and unlike all the guy bullshit, the visuals SUPPORT the analysis, unlike ND and his bullshit.
i guess ronnie's "garbage calves" don't count.
;) ;) ;)
Seriously this back lacks nothing
doesn't mean it was better than a back that has everything and more aka Ronnie Coleman
Flex readers got it right.
you never do.
Great another dorian vs ronnie thread with the very same morons that spent the last 3-4 years daily debating it before...
This coming from the idiot who created the same dumb thread " Dorian trained harder than Ronnie " again ;)
you're a hypocrite and a dummy , see backfire and then fail
3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun.
Dorian picture is shopped.
as always with these idiots... ::)
they always shop dorian pics when comparing them to a peak Ronnie
its the only chance dcorian has.. :-\
ND is still bitter about Ronnie 99 completely crushing dorian's best ever 1993 shape lat spread:
poor ND. :'(
ND you once commented that the shot of ronnie 99 doing the lat spread reminded you of the great Lee Haney.
well it should
because ronnie's 99 lat spread beats anything dorian ever presented, and guess what? Lee Haney also beat dorian in 1991..
, so please explain to me using the IFBB judging criteria where Ronnie beats Dorian in this pose and good luck
Seriously this back lacks nothing
Dorian's back lacks the width
LMAO.
I'm sorry, but Ronnie's additional mass does not give him the better developed back. Dorian's is clearly better conditioned and has more complete development. Everyone likes to quote Ronnie's increased bodyweight as if it is a basis for concluding improvement. In size perhaps, but he lost a lot of detail along the way. Dorian's lats insert lower and are more flared and developed. His lower back is also more developed and crisp and his traps have greater width. Ronnie is heavier, but the sport of bodybuilding is not determined by the scale.
December 2, 2008 on Ironage.us: Shawn Perine of Flex Magazine states:"Ronnie's back eclipsed Yates' in terms of sheer size, but when it comes to density and detail, Dorian reigns supreme."
I never said Ronnie's back was better solely b/c of additional mass. I've always maintained that Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, taper, and fullness surpass Dorian's. While Dorian's back displayed more definition, he sacrificed muscle fullness as a result. Ronnie's back is much thicker from the rear. This is especially apparent in the back double biceps pose. Dorian's back looks flat as a pancake compared to Ronnie. Dorian has more complete development? If by "more complete," you mean small upper traps, thin lower back, ugly bacne and loose folds of skin, then I agree. Lower attaching lats? The difference is only 1 cm. By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques. ;)
Troll Neo, before you split hairs with regard to the reference to "lat insertions", you should know that most all prominant bodybuilding scribes use the same terminology. I have yet to read them stating where the lats "originate". Another failed attempt to potray intelligence has back fired again resulting in another self-owning for you. How do you like them apples?
Hey inbred, this is a bodybuilding board, where the term "lat insertions" is typical to the industry. If you want to go to a contest and say "lat originations" or something similar, be my guest, but people will catch on pretty fast that your mother is also your sister. Being totally frank, you are honestly too stupid to respond to further. And that is saying something given the internet.
bwahahaha, thanks for the quote. You reading this m8 and ND?
lame attempt at trying to pass off your opinion as fact. Dorian's back lacks the width (depending on year), symmetry, taper, and fullness of Ronnie's. You say Dorian's back lacks nothing as if there was no room for improvement, which I just demonstrated is not true.
December 2, 2008 on Ironage.us: Shawn Perine of Flex Magazine states: "Ronnie's back eclipsed Yates' in terms of sheer size, but when it comes to density and detail, Dorian reigns supreme." - Neo, you quote this like it's a win for Ronnie? Ronnie had a bigger back at his heaviest, big deal. Perine's further comments firmly place a win in the back column for Yates. My God, you are slow and I suspect a little inbred.
Troll Neo, before you split hairs with regard to the reference to "lat insertions", you should know that most all prominant bodybuilding scribes use the same terminology. I have yet to read them stating where the lats "originate". Another failed attempt to portray intelligence has backfired again, resulting in another self-owning for you. How do you like them apples?
quite easy actually:
equal lats
smaller waist therefore better taper
pecs have 1000x more detail
so do arms/delt (with better shape, better vascularity, better size)
quads - total destruction - way better sweep, detail, delination etc
dorian has the better calves.
thats it
its not even close ND.
even a blind fool like yourself should be able to see this..
dorian has a better front lat spread, but only from the knees down LOL
Does Dorian having no arms affect the argument or not?No. Ronnie has no calves. Dorian tore his biceps - still had a better overall physique.
No. Ronnie has no calves. Dorian tore his biceps - still had a better overall physique.
Does Dorian having no arms affect the argument or not?
Note to Ronnie: in latspread you should spread your lats, not show off your arms.
You're an idiot for many reason and why? because I've said this many times , Ronnie's back may have been bigger but it was also SOFTER this is NO advantage you you dolt lol
Bigger does not by default denote better. For the trolls, you may want to say the words aloud in a similar manner as the "near/far" exercise that Sesame Street used to do. Only this time, contrast "bigger" with "better". ;)LMAO Spot on!
(http://www.maz.ca/wgas/pictures/EM7501103.JPG)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/993-3/2006-mr-olympia-prejudging-85-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
Bigger does not by default denote better. For the trolls, you may want to say the words aloud in a similar manner as the "near/far" exercise that Sesame Street used to do. Only this time, contrast "bigger" with "better".
Does Dorian having no arms affect the argument or not?
yawn ;)
Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002
"The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever."
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
"Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing."
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
skip to 56 sec.
"the most incredible back in bodybuilding history, I believe, right there. Dorian was noted for his back. Lee Haney for his, but this man's back is just like something out of a comic book."
yawn ;)
Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002
"The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever."
"the most incredible back in bodybuilding history, I believe, right there. Dorian was noted for his back. Lee Haney for his, but this man's back is just like something out of a comic book."
ha ha ha, bullsheeeet. You claimed it was "speculation" when I said 03 Ronnie was wider. True to ND dipshit fashion, you insult me after you've been proven wrong. Keep making an ass of yourself. ;)
Bigger does not by default denote better. For the trolls, you may want to say the words aloud in a similar manner as the "near/far" exercise that Sesame Street used to do. Only this time, contrast "bigger" with "better". ;)
(http://www.maz.ca/wgas/pictures/EM7501103.JPG)
Bigger
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/993-3/2006-mr-olympia-prejudging-85-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
lmfao
Better
;) ;) ;)
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
20. albert beckles
19. melvin anthony
18. thierry pastel
17. tony pearson
16. sergio oliva
15. orville burke
14. art atwood
13. flex wheeler
12. robby robinson
11. mohamed benaziza
10. victor martinez
9. michael francois
8. samir bannout
7. jean-pierre fux
6. jay cutler
5. franco columbu
4. lee haney
3. joel stubbs
2. dorian yates
1. ronnie coleman
;) ;) ;)
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
20. albert beckles
19. melvin anthony
18. thierry pastel
17. tony pearson
16. sergio oliva
15. orville burke
14. art atwood
13. flex wheeler
12. robby robinson
11. mohamed benaziza
10. victor martinez
9. michael francois
8. samir bannout
7. jean-pierre fux
6. jay cutler
5. franco columbu
4. lee haney
3. joel stubbs
2. dorian yates
1. ronnie coleman
(http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/Kool-AidMan.jpg)
That back's holding water. OH, YEAAHH!
Team Flex 2000 voted Dorian best back ever.
many NOT all
That's Mike Mattarazzo and he's very generous with his praise
Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Flex magazine Step 1996 Mike Mattarzo on Dorian Yates
"the only Mr Olympia who can't lose to anyone but himself . he is truly unbeatable."
Ronnie Coleman on Dorian Yates
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
it works both ways Neo
show me a back shot of coleman that beats this
(http://www.footbag.org/~footbag/media/686/Dorian%20Yates.jpg)
You haven't proven me wrong in the least YOU made a claim he was wider where is the proof?
oh noes! I'm sure I could find a quote from 83 saying Samir Bannout had the best back of all-time. ::)
not everyone believes the Earth is round. You're point?
;)
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. "
oh no! Another quote from before Ronnie's peak. ::)
do you believe everything Ronnie says? ;)
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
Ronnie also says he should have beaten Jay in 06 (which he lost).
you mean the same senile old man who couldn't figure out how to press a button during the challenge round disaster in 05?
source? I don't know who this guy is.
whoop-tee-doo! Last time I checked, Markus Ruhl wasn't paid to write contest reviews and judge physiques for the largest circulating bodybuilding magazines in the world.
not really. I posted quotes from the most respected names in bodybuilding: Peter McGough, Jim Schmaltz, Milos Sarcev, and Team Flex. What do you have? A quote from Markus Ruhl? LOLOL ::)
oh noes! I'm sure I could find a quote from 83 saying Samir Bannout had the best back of all-time. ::)
not everyone believes the Earth is round. You're point?oh boy what a piss poor analogy , one is subjective there is empirical evidence that proves the Earth is round , not everyone shares the view Ronnie's back is better and if you claim your right solely based on the numbers then you're guilty of more faulty logic , argument ad populum ;)
;)
oh no! Another quote from before Ronnie's peak. ::)
do you believe everything Ronnie says? ;)
Ronnie also says he should have beaten Jay in 06 (which he lost).
you mean the same senile old man who couldn't figure out how to press a button during the challenge round disaster in 05?
source? I don't know who this guy is.
whoop-tee-doo! Last time I checked, Markus Ruhl wasn't paid to write contest reviews and judge physiques for the largest circulating bodybuilding magazines in the world.
not really. I posted quotes from the most respected names in bodybuilding: Peter McGough, Jim Schmaltz, Milos Sarcev, and Team Flex. What do you have? A quote from Markus Ruhl? LOLOL ::)
show me a back shot of coleman that beats this ::)
(http://www.footbag.org/~footbag/media/686/Dorian%20Yates.jpg)
right here. Now apologize, b*tch. ;)
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
"Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing."
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
Shawn Perine - Ironage.us (December 2, 2008)
"Ronnie's back eclipsed Yates' in terms of sheer size, but when it comes to density and detail, Dorian reigns supreme."
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
"Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing."
Shawn Perine - Ironage.us (December 2, 2008)
"Ronnie's back eclipsed Yates' in terms of sheer size, but when it comes to density and detail, Dorian reigns supreme."
Morphed
You're hurting ND's case
He's really giving it a shot
Ha ha ha...oh man. So according to SemenHole, some people not sharing a common opinion is akin to some people denying a fact that has been proven beyond any doubt? Someone should send Galilleo a memo that his life work was simply an opinion of his... :D This is what we're up against. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
he's not hurting my case , this is real and doesn't need it and the point still stands Dorian's back has everything Ronnie's has and then someI never seen the second pic scan10001013 or what ever its called...
I never seen the second pic scan10001013 or what ever its called...That's Dorian showing Debbie whos boss.
I never seen the second pic scan10001013 or what ever its called...
The Greatest! :o:o
1994 Mr Olympia in the hotel room
this coming from a person who keeps posting a quote from McGough that's been amended
and how did Ronnie's back improve by 2000? did it get harder? NO didn't his lats suddenly get lower? did his x-mass three get sharper? NO his back got softer and wider , big deal that's not improvement and did you miss the many quotes I posted about how Dorian had the best back and all of these were POST retirement lol I'm sure you missed those
oh boy what a piss poor analogy , one is subjective there is empirical evidence that proves the Earth is round , not everyone shares the view Ronnie's back is better and if you claim your right solely based on the numbers then you're guilty of more faulty logic , argument ad populum
in the same vain he says Dorian may go down as the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived and this was 2003 again Mike is very generous with his praise
Which has NOTHING to do with the point I was making , the point was Mike is very generous with his praise
wtf is goin on in that top pic
geez its only 94' and the man's already got a gut
this coming from a hypocrite who used to quote Flex as the Bible of bodybuilding when it suited him and now ignores any quotes from Flex that say Ronnie is better. ;)
are you really that stupid? Ronnie's back became thicker, wider, and more defined (depending on year).
the difference between your quotes and mine is that I quoted bodybuilding experts such as Peter McGough, Team Flex, and Milos Sarcev. All you have to work with is Markus Ruhl. I'm not guilty of ad populum b/c I never claimed I was right due to numbers. The credibility of my sources outweigh yours. It just so happens that I also have more quotes than you.
what does this have to do with anything? Nowhere does he say Dorian has the greatest physique of all-time.
who gives a shit? He explicitly said Ronnie would beat Dorian. That's all that matters.
this coming from a hypocrite who used to quote Flex as the Bible of bodybuilding when it suited him and now ignores any quotes from Flex that say Ronnie is better. ;)
are you really that stupid? Ronnie's back became thicker, wider, and more defined (depending on year).
the difference between your quotes and mine is that I quoted bodybuilding experts such as Peter McGough, Team Flex, and Milos Sarcev. All you have to work with is Markus Ruhl. I'm not guilty of ad populum b/c I never claimed I was right due to numbers. The credibility of my sources outweigh yours. It just so happens that I also have more quotes than you.
what does this have to do with anything? Nowhere does he say Dorian has the greatest physique of all-time.
who gives a shit? He explicitly said Ronnie would beat Dorian. That's all that matters.
1994 Mr Olympia in the hotel room
ND would love to have been in that room. :-*
he's not hurting my case , this is real and doesn't need it and the point still stands Dorian's back has everything Ronnie's has and then some
then why does Ronnie crush it using your beloved pic?
::) ::) ::)
the thing you will NEVER be able to get around is the fact that Ronnie will NEVER be as hard or as dry as Dorian , so posting pics of him offseason looking soft compared to Yates proves zero
Dorian's back is still better and not soft ;)
This coming from the guy who searched the internet for pictures of mens testes , saved it to his hardrive and then posted it , who brags about the gorgeous transexuals he had chances with lol
offseason? ::)
you do realize that those precontest pics of dorian was the best physique he EVER presented.
he NEVER looked that good onstage EVER.
Ronnie crushes the best dorian ever presented and you can't deal with it.
here is one more for you to whine about and make excuses: ::)
offseason? ::)
you do realize that those precontest pics of dorian was the best physique he EVER presented.
he NEVER looked that good onstage EVER.
offseason? ::)
you do realize that those precontest pics of dorian was the best physique he EVER presented.
he NEVER looked that good onstage EVER.
Ronnie crushes the best dorian ever presented and you can't deal with it.
here is one more for you to whine about and make excuses: ::)
Funny how when the black and white photo's are rolled out, the trolls protest being that it is not from an actual contest. But, when their hero gets destroyed by contest photos, they then revert to off season pics of Ronnie from 2003 and post a '92 Yates contest shot. They get owned at every turn and keep playing games as a misdirect from the fact that their hero Ronnie, can't hang with Yates. None of them has had the balls to comment on the clip from 1995 of Yates because they know that Yates has a back that has never been matched.
Hypocrites is what they are. If the topic is of 1993 Yates, who was perhaps the most complete champion ever, they resort to posting post bicep tear photos, most notably from 1994. Then turnabout is fair play. Being that the title of the thread is the greatest back, then they should not mind when back shots of contest Ronnie looking a complete mess are posted. The one tried and true fact, is that no matter the circumstances, Yates always had a great back, the same CAN'T be said for Ronnie, period.
You are posting pictures of him when he was already past his prime and had torn up muscles.
Try 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, fucking dolt.
I never ignored any quotes that a another one of your many lies , every quote you ever posted I addressed period. I don't need to run especially when the topic is subjective.
thicker & wider YES more defined NO sorry sport that's simply not true in fact if you missed the McGough quote from 2000 he states the obvious Ronnie's hardness and dryness suffer the heavier he became which would indicate he's better at a lighter weight , this was Ronnie at 264 pounds never mind the 287 pound Ronnie , Ronnie's best overall package for his back was probably 1998/2001 when he was at his hardest & driest
You dismissed McGough as flat out wrong on the subject of competitive bodybuilding lol now YOU need him he's an expert lol you played yourself Neo lol and NO I'm working with more than Rhul . Ronnie himself who is an expert on backs , Samir he's also an expert , plus Rhul , plus Team Flex , from 2000 and this is from the article you're clinging to
and you never answered the question , I don't care what Milos says you and him are fucking high if you think he has a thicker & wider back at 247 pounds in 1998 than Dorian from 1993/1995/1997 even NO WAY IN HELL , 2003 perhaps 1998 get the fuck out of here
fuck me your missing the point , it doesn't matter if he says Dorian has the greatest of all-time , what matters is he's very generous with his praise and how could he possibly go down as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time without having the greatest physique? stop playing stupid
o.k he says Ronnie would beat Dorian what does that mean? it's true? Lee Priest says Dorian would easily beat Ronnie is this a fact? NO nice try
::)
You are posting pictures of him when he was already past his prime and had torn up muscles.
Try 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, fucking dolt.
stop lying. You ignore the quote from Joe Weider agreeing with Jay Cutler's assessment that Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. You ignore the quote from Team Flex saying 01 ASC Ronnie is the best ever or that Ronnie has the greatest back in history. You ignore the quote from Lonnie Teper saying that it's hard to imagine anybody who's ever stepped on stage could beat a prime Ronnie. You ignore the quote from Muscletime.com saying there is nobody alive who can beat Ronnie at his best.
Ronnie wasn't heavier at the 01 ASC, you idiot. Why do you think I specifically said "depending on year?" Looking at pics, his back was bigger and more defined than in 98.
it's one way or the other. If you pick which quotes to accept and ignore, then I'm allowed to do the same. As for Ronnie and Samir, they are are not experts. Ronnie believes he should of won a contest he lost and Samir picked 3rd place Gustavo Badell over 1st place finisher Ronnie in the challenge round pose down. Both have proven they are incapable of accurately judging physiques. The fact you continue to quote them shows you're grasping at straws. ;)
ha ha ha, oh please. You've never even seen both of them at their primes and you're arguing with a respected expert in the bodybuilding community who has stood on stage next to both? You really crack me up! ;D
ok...? What does this have to do with best physique or best back?
how do you say it? When one person backs up what others have said, then it's called "converging evidence." ;)
stop lying. You ignore the quote from Joe Weider agreeing with Jay Cutler's assessment that Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. You ignore the quote from Team Flex saying 01 ASC Ronnie is the best ever or that Ronnie has the greatest back in history. You ignore the quote from Lonnie Teper saying that it's hard to imagine anybody who's ever stepped on stage could beat a prime Ronnie. You ignore the quote from Muscletime.com saying there is nobody alive who can beat Ronnie at his best.
Ronnie wasn't heavier at the 01 ASC, you idiot. Why do you think I specifically said "depending on year?" Looking at pics, his back was bigger and more defined than in 98.
it's one way or the other. If you pick which quotes to accept and ignore, then I'm allowed to do the same. As for Ronnie and Samir, they are are not experts. Ronnie believes he should of won a contest he lost and Samir picked 3rd place Gustavo Badell over 1st place finisher Ronnie in the challenge round pose down. Both have proven they are incapable of accurately judging physiques. The fact you continue to quote them shows you're grasping at straws. ;)
ha ha ha, oh please. You've never even seen both of them at their primes and you're arguing with a respected expert in the bodybuilding community who has stood on stage next to both? You really crack me up! ;D
ok...? What does this have to do with best physique or best back?
how do you say it? When one person backs up what others have said, then it's called "converging evidence." ;)
::)
ronnie near the end of his career compared to dorian near the beginning:
care to explain?
::)
::)
ronnie near the end of his career compared to dorian near the beginning:
care to explain?
::)
One is flexing and the other isn't ;) and FYI dummy that's Dorian 5 years into his career
Ronnie's back never looked like this , ever
that's not even a mandatory pose. But if you insist, Ronnie's back lookedjustnot as detailed and narrowereven thicker.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColemansBack1996.jpg)
;) ;) ;)Why are his panties stuck up his ass?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie16a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie18.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie17.jpg)
Why are his panties stuck up his ass?
maybe he likes the way it feels? Why don't you e-mail Ronnie for an answer? ???Meltdown
Meltdown
that's not even a mandatory pose. But if you insist, Ronnie's back lookedjust asless detailed andeven thickernot as dense or wide.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColemansBack1996.jpg)
that's not even a mandatory pose. But if you insist, Ronnie's back looked just as detailed and even thicker.
;) ;) ;)
what is a pic of a prime Dorian standing next to a juvenile Ronnie supposed to prove? ???
Dole out all the 2003 pics you want Neo. In fact, here is the vid. Yes, Ronnie is huge, no doubt. However, Yates' conditioning blows him right out of the water. It isn't even close. Ronnie looks several weeks out from the contest and several months into his pregnancy. Meanwhile, Yates looks polished and extremely conditioned with a professional posing routine befitting of a champion. Not this "raise the roof" crap, with his trunks pulled right up his ass.
He really does make Ronnie look softVERY!
[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.
Hulkster , Neo what was that about ' loose skin ' ?
lmfao
I own all of you
Looks like Dorian has silenced his critics once again. After his retirement, fans became too accustomed to the substandard conditioning of subsequent champions. The pairing of the two videos above expose Ronnie's soft conditioning and invalidates the farcical claims of his having raised the bar. In fact, it is apparent that if anything, Ronnie lowered it. In terms of Ronnie's posing routine, it can only be described as an utter embarrassment.
20. albert beckles
19. melvin anthony ::)
18. thierry pastel
17. tony pearson
16. sergio oliva
15. orville burke
14. art atwood
13. flex wheeler
12. robby robinson
11. mohamed benaziza
10. victor martinez
9. michael francois
8. samir bannout
7. jean-pierre fux
6. jay cutler ::)
5. franco columbu
4. lee haney
3. joel stubbs
2. dorian yates
1. ronnie coleman
Dole out all the 2003 pics you want Neo. In fact, here is the vid. Yes, Ronnie is huge, no doubt. However, Yates' conditioning blows him right out of the water. It isn't even close. Ronnie looks several weeks out from the contest and several months into his pregnancy. Meanwhile, Yates looks polished and extremely conditioned with a professional posing routine befitting of a champion. Not this "raise the roof" crap, with his trunks pulled right up his ass.
In response to the comparison posting of videos of the much maligned 1995 Yates and the much heralded 2003 Ronnie, all I hear are crickets. ND, is this the point where we say "check" or "checkmate"?
what is a pic of a prime Dorian standing next to a juvenile Ronnie supposed to prove? ???
Still nothing from the peanut gallery on the above videos. Still much too afraid to confront the truth!
Gross pretty much covers it.
Gross pretty much covers it. Schwarzenegger said same, Yates isn't BB.
not only that but Dorian had super thin skin, which helped along his grainy look
not Jay Cutler 2 inch thick skin :-X
ha ha, "juvenile" when there's only a 2 years difference between the two. if anything it should favour Ronnie.
Dole out all the 2003 pics you want Neo. In fact, here is the vid. Yes, Ronnie is huge, no doubt. However, Yates' conditioning blows him right out of the water. It isn't even close. Ronnie looks several weeks out from the contest and several months into his pregnancy. Meanwhile, Yates looks polished and extremely conditioned with a professional posing routine befitting of a champion. Not this "raise the roof" crap, with his trunks pulled right up his ass.
Um I think you have the conditioning mixed up.
ronnie is extreme and dorian is smooth soft like an ice rink.
see for yourself:
ND, we must realize that in comparison to Ronnie's soft conditioning, Yates' extreme conditioning may appear gross to the uneducated and timid bodybuilding fan, such as Pumpster. In the same manner in which he would consider free weights too extreme and opt instead for the almighty Bowflex. lol
These guys are so limited in their knowledge , understanding and resources. they post pics when everyone and their brother say they're useless when assessing Dorian , yet ignorance prevails they think they have something
Dorian's density & dryness is second to none , yet these dummies will claim he has loose skin lol he's smooth , post pictures of the Pillsbury Dough boy , refer to Dorian as " doughrian " they know who is drier and harder they just can't handle being proven wrong again by me and you
yeah, he sure looks better than Ronnie with that density and conditioning ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/100/images/Dorian_Yates_photo222.jpg)
These guys are so limited in their knowledge , understanding and resources. they post pics when everyone and their brother say they're useless when assessing Dorian , yet ignorance prevails they think they have something
Dorian's density & dryness is second to none , yet these dummies will claim he has loose skin lol he's smooth , post pictures of the Pillsbury Dough boy , refer to Dorian as " doughrian " they know who is drier and harder they just can't handle being proven wrong again by me and you
this is my real account, ask flexingtonsteele
Ronnie > Dorian
who cares? you just asked me to come back under my real account so obviously YOU care, brutal self ownageshit i think Dillett was better, let alone Ronnie.
I'm not wrong, you are just blind to see what it is, that Ronnie is better
make your case in bullet form, on how Dorian is better, let's end this debate
who cares? you just asked me to come back under my real account so obviously YOU care, brutal self ownage
I'm not wrong, you are just blind to see what it is, that Ronnie is better
make your case in bullet form, on how Dorian is better, let's end this debate
yeah, he sure looks better than Ronnie with that density and conditioning ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
shit i think Dillett was better, let alone Ronnie.
shit i think Dillett was better, let alone Ronnie.
Muscular Bulk ---Ronnie was 297 pounds ripped, Dorian doesn't come close
Muscle density ---Ronnie had some of the most dense muscles EVER, the best muscle maturity, Dorian doesn't come close
Muscle dryness ---Ronnie wins here no questions asked lol
Muscle balance ---Ronnie lacked nothing, all dorian had was back and calves not so balanced :-\
Muscle proportion ---Dorian's lack of other bodypart except back and calves doesn't help him here, Ronnie wins by a land slide
Posing & presentation ---Posing, I give to you however ;)
Well taking your seriously just ended , I did give you a shot though lol
;)
Dillet had NO back, Dorian killed him in back shots
however Dillet killed Dorian in all other bodyparts ;)
bodyparts don't win contests , mandatory poses do ;)
well Dillet killed Dorian in all front and side mandatory poses, and last I checked there were more of those
than back poses ;)
well Dillet killed Dorian in all front and side mandatory poses, and last I checked there were more of those
than back poses ;)
he killed him in NO poses at all , none what so ever hence why he was never even close to Yates , you do understand that all rounds are physique rounds?
you do understand that if you show a picture of Ronnie and Dorian to someone who doesn't even know what bodybuilding is
they will choose Ronnie still?
Uncle Joe must have bought out those judges real well to keep Dorian at the top, judges can't be so blind
Wow it didn't take you long for the politics plea
see the problem is people who do know what bodybuilding are the ones judge contests and they always picked Dorian ;)
the judges picked Ronnie 2 times more than Dorian ;)
NEVER against Dorian ;) in fact Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times with ease lol
next
that's crap and you it, Ronnie wasn't in his prime, not even close.
so we can say that Dorian Yates could have never beaten Lee Haney?
we are comparing both men in their prime
Ronnie 99 > Dorian 93
if Dorian hadn't pulled out of the 98 Olympia he would have got beat ;) wise decision on his part
Ronnie 99? LMFAO enough said
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
thanks for playing
Ronnie was humble, he didn't portray himself as unstoppable, he was down to earth
unlike this cocky retard Dorian who has made fun of Ronnie falling to his knees and thanking god
stop your Ronnie quotes, he said those things because he's not cocky like Yates
I never heard that one before and you walked right into this one lol this is going to hurt
Humble?
" Jay must be on crack to ever think he could beat me , he better be re-born with better genetics "
Jay being white also helped him win the Olympia
HOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
But Jay did beat him ;)
not once, but twice
you're disproving your own point, you can't trust what Coleman says
he also claimed to be a natural hahahahahahahaha
that's crap and you it, Ronnie wasn't in his prime, not even close.I totally agree with ya
so we can say that Dorian Yates could have never beaten Lee Haney?
we are comparing both men in their prime
Ronnie 99 > Dorian 93
if Dorian hadn't pulled out of the 98 Olympia he would have got beat ;) wise decision on his part
Man, Ronnie had a great back, but Dorian's back is on another planet! Dorian murders ron in the rear lat spread not only in the back, but in the entire physique!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=287028;image)
sorry, yates and nasser can go home now:
ronnie crushes them in the rear lat spread:
Ronnie wishes his rear latspread was this complete from head to toe ;)
in other words, you acknowledge that Ronnie has a far superior back, but that dorian's obvious calf advantage tips the pose in his favor...
doubtful. but arguable I guess..
1999 he has NO advantages , not in detail , thickness , density , width , depth NO WHERE
this isn't even a contest. Ronnie > all
Dorian had a better back spread
Ronnie had better back double bicep pose.
keep typing your bullshit: ::)
even 93 dorian doesn't measure up to 99 ronnie.
nice PHOTOSHOPPED pics ;)
No enhanced pics needed pure domination
so funny you always post bigger pics of dorian than ronnie.. to make a fair comparison you have to post pics of the same size..
so funny you always post bigger pics of dorian than ronnie.. to make a fair comparison you have to post pics of the same size..no shit. ND always posts biased comparisons, because when fair ones are posted, dorian gets crushed.
no shit. ND always posts biased comparisons, because when fair ones are posted, dorian gets crushed.
as always:
my my
ND sitting on his computer all day waiting for me to come home and post..
::)
hows unemployment treatin ya?
hahahaha :P
^
its so funny seeing dorian in comparison with others. his quads are always the worst of the bunch... :-\
like I said, his quads were horrible:
atleast post scaled pics! and most of Dorians pics are enhanced if they were clearer, he would look even worse
stop comparing smaller ronnie to him... compare 2000 - 2006, ronnie destroys him, dorian should do some squats, ronnie makes him look like a bitch... 5 inches on his legs :D
ronnie has better shoulders, back, hamstrings, quads, forearms, biceps, traps, chest,
ronnie has 26 pro wins... dorian has a few, ronnie has 8 mr O titles, dorian has 6... ronnie competed at 296 lbs in 2004
ronnie destroys him in detail, separation, size..
I love how ND still claims the pics are photoshopped, when the video is right here for all to see.
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
Even Kevin Thorton admitted (after a lengthy thread) that Bizzy didn't touch them...
but ND forgets that.. ::)
BULLSHIT you said you'd find this thread where Kevin admitted he didn't touch them and NEVER did because YOU CAN'T
oh its easy to find it alright.,
but unlike you, I have a job and a life.
if I was an unemployed bum like you sitting around all day on my computer I am sure I could dig up the quotes..
hahahaha
ps whats it like being in complete denial over what Kevin said? ::)
Kid seriously shut up you're boring already , you have nothing as usual , keep trolling .
what are you going to say when I show you the quote from Kevin?
just a heads up, you better start dreaming up your excuses now.. ::)
its amazing whatblack and whitephotoshop can do
(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/42734/2440705560102112899S600x600Q85.jpg)
Try not to hit the sharpen button too many times ::)
More proof even if you could produce a quote from Kevin it does NOT negate the fact Bizzy ADMITTED you dummy ;) see the difference between you and I , is I can provide proof to back up my claims and YOU NEVER COULDowned as usual
oh boy, ND you are FUCKED:
Re: hahahaha! Muscletime Snubbs Dorian Yates!
« Reply #266 on: September 09, 2008, 10:34:11 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Hulkster on September 09, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
ps the forced rep shot isn't even from a DVD copy I believe LOL
two different sources, no difference in ronnie's physique.
the only thing 'enhanced' here is my amazement at the reluctance to admit that you were wrong... .
Kevin, when faced with the clear thruth that the Bizzy shot was not ehanced, says:
Not the shots I'm talking about.
when shown a Bizzy screencap and a forcedreps one, even Kevin Thorton turns around and says 'they are not ones he was talking about" because even he knows the the Bizzy shot was untouched!
these are the shots, YOU claim the bizzy one is faked, even Kevin says it is NOT:
need I continue? ::)
and there you have it.
one dvd screenshot
one VHS screenshot.
same exact physique. slightly different colour.
Kevin Thorton won't say the bizzy shot is faked.
ND does. as if he knows more than Kevin Thoron, a great bb photographer..
::)
LOL ND backpeddlling as always.
I produced what he feared the most and he can't stand it hahahahaha
hulkster owned yet again hahahahahaha
and the worst front of any mr. o
Ronnie never had thighs this good :oyou're an idiot... its widened... and maybe chopped. but definently stretched/widened... look at the dudes calves in the background
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=308831;image)
you're an idiot... its widened... and maybe chopped. but definently stretched/widened... look at the dudes calves in the background
ha ha ha ha enhanced and NOT enhanced , these are the ones Kevin was talking about and yes they are enhanced lol ownedwow he is a different colour, still a tank :O
hey ND, do you still think this Bizzy shot is enhanced?
Kevin Thorton doesn't.
and he has forgotten more about bb than you'll ever know!
you're an idiot... its widened... and maybe chopped. but definently stretched/widened... look at the dudes calves in the backgroundThose were the incredible hulk's synthol calves implants in the backgorund ..they are suppose to look weird
ND is going to be on suicide watch now.
here is KMH photo specially taking about how videos can be 'enhanced' automatically:
Re: hahahaha! Muscletime Snubbs Dorian Yates!
« Reply #242 on: September 09, 2008, 03:21:07 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Hulkster on September 09, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
and you should feel a little dumb claiming Bizzy's shots are photoshopped given his posts (and offer of a link) today...
They were ENHANCED.
I rarely use the word "photoshoped" because it's been used incorrectly to describe a lot of different effects and you certainly wouldn't have to use Photoshop to ENHANCE a video screencap. Most software that extracts them has the tools available and even uses them automatically. So you could ENHANCE an image without knowing it's being ENHANCED.
So, what does that tell us:
1. Bizzy did not knowingly enhance anything, just as he has stated a milion times
and
2. this would apply to ALL VIDEOS not just ronnie 99...
so guess what ND?
bizzy didn't photoshop the shots just as he has said, and any dorian videos and screens are probably just as 'enhanced' as the 99 olympia vid
and dorian still gets crushed!:
hahahaha you are FUCKED: :P
ND, hulkster is FUCKED now hahahaha. He will not recover from this.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/rc2.jpg)
Dorian is destroying Ronnie in this particular comparison. He hits the front lat spread perfectly, while Ronnie looks awkward in trying to emphasize his traps, arms and delts to the detriment of his lats.
ND can never counter ronnie 99 crushing dorian 93 in his best pose, the front lat spread:
nuthuggers you are totally FUCKED:
no amount of written bullshit from you will ever change this fact:
sorry.
no photoshopped pics here..
sorry.
notice: ND doesn't even try and counter the lat spread shot because he knows dorian is being crushed as always..and its dorian's best ever shape..hahahahaha
This is fucking insane. Beyond insane. No one ever had a front lat spread this perfect
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=309117;image)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2917993498_1edf2750aa.jpg?v=0)On the (apple) juice all the way
lol the nuthuggers are back to posting the morphed dorian pics with tom platz's quads with shawn ray's waistline..
::)
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Your quote
Kevin Thorton doesn't.
and he has forgotten more about bb than you'll ever know!
praising how much Kevin Horton knows about bodybuilding
Kevin's response when YOU cried that picture was ' morphed ' Kevin crushing your bullshit and to use your analogy he's forgotten more about bb than you'll ever know ;) as usual you have nothing and two this are ironic about your claim besides the obvious YOU of all people claiming a particular picture is suspect while claiming until blue in the face the ones Bizzy did are admittedly worked and you post a pic of Dorian at two separate weights as proof of something , more Hulkster stupidity , you thinking posting a picture of Dorian 30 pounds lighter proves anything? so using your retard logic I could post pictures of Ronnie pre-Olympia offseason 2002 to the contest pics of him at the 2002 Olympia and this somehow proves the offseason pics were ' morphed ' lol because his arms aren't the same or neither are his quads ::)
bottom line Kevin Horton who took the photo told you outright it's untouched , case closed , end of story. you're owed as usual. ;)
283 pounds destroys anything Coleman ever showedthats definitely shopped. come on now.
........................
damn, great comparison! Ronnie beats Dorian in every category. If anything, the scaling should favor Dorian since he's taller in that pic.
I can't believe how naive you are.. :-\Ha ha ha ha ha ha you're the complete moron who has the balls to type Bizzy's screencaps are real too , when a graphic artist , Kevin Horton and Bizzy himself all say other wise
look at dorian's hips, waistline, quadsweep LOL
are you really that stupid? :-\
You probably took your photoshop lessons from him, Semenhole. We all know how great your comparisons are: in your comparisons, Ronnie's forearms are twice as long as Dorian's, his waist is the same size as well as the calves, Ronnie is 3 feet closer to the camera and he is under stage lighting whilst Dorian is under regular studio light. You are a joke, dude. You fags post eleven different versions of the same pic and believe you can use any of them as it suits you, even though the only version of the pic that would be acceptable is the original. It's actually funny to watch you guys post the tampered versions of the pic as evidence and then ignore the original as it appeared in the camera's digital screen, despite the fact that what the camera captures in the original version is reality, which doesen't apply to any other versions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You probably took your photoshop lessons from him, Sir NeoSeminole. We all know how great your comparisons are: in your comparisons, Ronnie's forearms are twice as long as Dorian's, his waist is the same size as well as the calves, Ronnie is 3 feet closer to the camera and he is under stage lighting whilst Dorian is under regular studio light. You are a joke, dude. You fags post eleven different versions of the same pic and believe you can use any of them as it suits you, even though the only version of the pic that would be acceptable is the original. It's actually funny to watch you guys post the tampered versions of the pic as evidence and then ignore the original as it appeared in the camera's digital screen, despite the fact that what the camera captures in the original version is reality, which doesen't apply to any other versions.
ha ha ha ha right up his alley of scaling no wonder why these dummies think Ronnie can beat him they make these ludicrous comparisons and pat each other on the back on how he's being beaten lol
thats definitely shopped. come on now.
no shit. but we are talking about ND, a man so stupid, delusional and naive, he actually believes its real..
::)
thats definitely shopped. come on now.
Mr Hypocrite praising Horton in one sentence and calling him a liar in another
stop putting words in people's mouths. :(
no one called Kevin a liar.
he took the pic and said he did not morph it.
that has nothing to do with what was done to his pic afterwards by someone else before it was posted on bb.com
like everyone who has seen the pic (except for you and your three bitches of course since you need any angle you can get to give dorian an advantage over ronnie ::)), it is clearly morphed. his quads all of a sudden have ronnie 2003/4's sweep LOL
sorry ND but that pic of dorian is one of the most obvious morph/photoshop jobs in the history of bodybuilding and everyone can see this.
why cant you? ::)
Kevin thorton has nothing to do with whether or not the pic was morphed.
he took the original shot. that doesn't mean it wasn't morphed later by someone on bb.com after.
because as everyone is trying to tell you, it clearly is..
or didn't you see this post:
its funny how you spend years praising dorian but can't tell when a pic of him is obviously morphed ::).
or, maybe you know but you don't want to believe it.
that of course, is pure delusion by definition.
epic putting Platz's thighs on Dorian's body in an attempt to make these weak quads look better.
I'm sure your quads are better sport ;)why do you always assume i'm comparing pros to me or anyone else dummy? his quads are pathetic for an IFBB pro in this shot, that's what i said Mr. Admitted Disability Collector. :D
epic putting Platz's thighs on Dorian's body in an attempt to make these weak quads look better.
why do you always assume i'm comparing pros to me or anyone else dummy? his quads are pathetic for an IFBB pro in this shot, that's what i said Mr. Admitted Disability Collector. :D
boom. ;D
Dummy the front double biceps is from 1994 and the front latspread is 1995 TWO SEPARATE YEARS
proof?
look at the lighting, shadows and dorian's hair on these shots and tell us if you actually believe they are one year apart:
they are identical in every concievable way. every one.
that doesnt happen in two seperate photoshots one year apart.
you are stupid and naive once again if you actually think that. sorry.
ND, what do you think of Kai Greene's back?
Again the guy who took the picture outright said it's NOT morphed it was scanned from the original . either he's lying or he isn't on the subject who should we believe?
you should belive the obvious. its morphed. you of all people, the biggest dorian guy on the web, should know this.
and why do you claim Kevin has to be "lying"? ::)
he said he didn't morph the pic and he is telling the truth.
doesn't mean someone else didnt, and they clearly did.
you never get the whole picture. how sad. :-\
damn, great comparison! Ronnie beats Dorian in every category. If anything, the scaling should favor Dorian since he's taller in that pic.
If I made Ronnie taller they would of cried like a bunch of bytches. So I made dorian taller so they wouldn't complain, but then again they always will.
:-X
okay ND, you can believe what you want despite what your eyes and brain are telling you.
its classic delusion at its best.. ::)
I'll believe Kevin Horton until proven otherwise , you got any proof? ;) of course not anytime Dorian crushes your hero , the pic is morphed lol remember the most muscular from 1995 ? Ronnie 2003 doesn't have any advantages overall compared to that Dorian you have nothing left to cling tohahahhaa, like Hulk Hogan said in Rocky 3, "The Ultimate Male vs. The Ultimate Meatball" ;D Dorian being the meatball of course...sis.....boom... ....bahhhhhhhh.
I'll believe Kevin Horton until proven otherwise
the pic itself should prove otherwise, ND
the quad morph is more obvious than the infamous dorian rear lat spread morph.. and you don't seem to question if that one is morphed or not..
::)
if you cant see this, you are beyond delusional:
whats sad is that if someone photoshopped a third arm onto a shot of dorian, ND would maintain to the death that it was not shopped if Kevin Thorton said it wasn't..
extreme analogy maybe, but its pretty much exactly whats going on here... :-\
you claim the pic is fake
thats definitely shopped. come on now.
thats definitely shopped. come on now.
actually, not just me.
everyone except for you, England and sucky..because it suits your agenda.
its that obvious. like I said, if dorian had a third arm, you would still say it was legit. ::)
don't forget that. ::)
ND runs from the obvious..
Or more faulty logic lol everyone claims it's so , so it must be lol
coming from the guy who claimed Bizzy's screencaps were untouched even when he admitted it lol
when its that obvious? yes.
you are forgetting the particulars of the pic involved ND. dorian's quads never looked like that. sorry.
you should know.. ::)
He was never 283 pounds onstage was he? ;) again what do you have ? denial because we have the answer to your query
you forget that at 300 pounds his quads still were puny compared to that pic..
::)
you cant win this one ND. try as you may.
He's 300 pounds OFFSEASON big difference , he's 283 pounds precontest , more faulty logic your ignorance is crushing you please think before you type
I won already ;)
you should belive the obvious. its morphed. you of all people, the biggest dorian guy on the web, should know this.
and why do you claim Kevin has to be "lying"?
he said he didn't morph the pic and he is telling the truth.
doesn't mean someone else didnt, and they clearly did.
you never get the whole picture. how sad.
He looked at the picture you claimed was shot and, using his knowledge of photography, concluded no alteration had been done to it.
Dorian syntholized his back?
irs no suprise why dorian was voted second.
dorian's back was detailed, but thin in comparison with crappy arms. even pre tear..
no. but he should have syntholed his arms LOL
Like Ronnie and his calves? ;)
he never syntholed his calves. thats why they always sucked.
best back ever :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=309471;image)
Flex Jan 2000
Best bodyparts of the 20th century
Best back - Dorian Yates
Ronnie who? yeah I thought so
ha ha ha, you're so f*cking dumb. Which is more recent? 2000 or 2008? Yeah, I thought so. ;)
ha ha ha, you're so f*cking dumb. Which is more recent? 2000 or 2008? Yeah, I thought so. ;)
Flex Jan 2000
Best bodyparts of the 20th century
Best back - Dorian Yates ;)
Ronnie who? yeah I thought so
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-21.html
this poll started in 2001 and was still going in 2008 , guess who they picked? yeah I though so ;)
what makes this poll invalid and the latest Flex one valid?
sorry, but the world had not yet seen Ronnie's back at the 2001 AC at that point, where this pic was taken:
hence, dorian getting pushed to a distant second in the more recent poll..
..and 340 of dorian's votes are yours no doubt.. ::)
2001? his back doesn't compare to Dorian he's 244 pounds , Dorian at the 1995 Mr Olympia was 260 pounds his back was bigger , thicker , wider , had better detail , 2001? ::) forget 1999 couldn't cut it 2001 isn't sorryhahahhaaa, maybe 260 with a 35 pound plate taped to his back. ;D
hahahhaaa, maybe 260 with a 35 pound plate taped to his back. ;D
did his back improve in any of those years? how did his back get better than Dorians? how? in fact his back got progressively worse , bigger , softer and by 08 torn and a wreck
yes, Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia. Apparently Flex magazine agrees with me since they changed their vote to Ronnie for best back of all-time. ;) What's amusing is that you, Mr. Nobody who hides behind his computer, disagrees with the experts at Flex who have seen both compete at their respective primes and unanimously picked Ronnie. ;D
Ronnie= 8 Olympia's
Dorian= 6 Olympia's....................... .................... ;D
spare me your lame antics. Ask Flex magazine to elaborate on why they chose Ronnie for the best back ever. I could give you several reasons but you will disagree with them all like the blind guy you are. You're so delusional that you think Flex just did it to piss you off or something.
wah wah wah, that's all I hear from you. Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks? How about Ronnie? Yeah, I thought so. You're left with nothing so now you're grasping at straws. LMAO @ you using Samir who couldn't figure out how to press a damn button during the challenge round to discredit all the experts at Flex magazine. ::)
hey dipshit, fav Mr. Olympia =/= best back
spare me your lame antics. Ask Flex magazine to elaborate on why they chose Ronnie for the best back ever. I could give you several reasons but you will disagree with them all like the blind guy you are. You're so delusional that you think Flex just did it to piss you off or something.
wah wah wah, that's all I hear from you. Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks? How about Ronnie? Yeah, I thought so. You're left with nothing so now you're grasping at straws. LMAO @ you using Samir who couldn't figure out how to press a damn button during the challenge round to discredit all the experts at Flex magazine. ::)
hey dipshit, fav Mr. Olympia =/= best back
Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks?
Dorian has the best back bodybuilding has ever seen.
I don't have to ask Flex magazine even with their pick of Ronnie in first they still prefaced their statement with this
For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today.
again just because they happened to pick Ronnie this time around doesn't mean anything , they still acknowledge many feel Dorian is , it's arguable they just went with Ronnie. You didn't offer any explanation because I would have destroyed it period you made a blanket statement and as usual didn't offer anything to back up your claim other than the popular opinion of Flex magazine , typical of you
Oh so a former Mr Olympia winner noted for his outstanding back comments aren't as good as Flex magazines' writers huh? lol more wonderful logic on your behalf , Flex magazine whom now you're sucking their balls said 2001 is Ronnie's best showing but you dismissed them on that , same with other things as well , Flex magazine is right when you want them to be and thanks for reminding me that Samir was a judge in the challenge round you dummy , you think Flex magazine's opinion trumps a judge? opppsssss that's gonna hurt lol Samir was competing YEARS before there ever was a Flex magazine but somehow they are more right than him? lmfao I can always count on you for a laugh
And how about this guy who you didn't even bother to respond about , The Greatest Bodybuilder of ALL TIME , 8 time Mr Olympia winner and the guy with the most IFBB professional wins in the history of the sport , Ronnie Coleman lol he said in 2003 ( a year you claim his back was at among it's best ) that Dorian had the ' thickest & freakiest back ' he ever seen , you think Flex magazine trumps this? HA how does it feel to constantly get our ass kicked the living shit out of by your own hero? that's gotta suck?
The Greatest bodybuilders ever right here ,check em out
1.
(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee344/opescorin/Bodybuilding/RonnieColeman5.jpg)
2.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/dekethecreep/vince.jpg)
3.
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yawn, you're too easy to refute. I will keep my responses brief so that a simpleton like you can follow.
irrelevant babble disguised to look important. many =/= majority
wrong, it does mean something when Flex changes their pick. Bodybuilding physiques evolve just like in every other sport. It's only appropriate that Flex acknowledged Ronnie for surpassing Dorian.
hey dummy, Samir voted for Gustavo in the challenge round in 05 while the judges awarded Ronnie 1st compared to Gustavo in 3rd. This proves that Samir is not fit to judge physiques. So much for your big 'trump card' to discredit Flex magazine. ::)
show me where Ronnie explicitly says that Dorian has the better back. ;)
yawn, you're too easy to refute. I will keep my responses brief so that a simpleton like you can follow.
irrelevant babble disguised to look important. many =/= majority
wrong, it does mean something when Flex changes their pick. Bodybuilding physiques evolve just like in every other sport. It's only appropriate that Flex acknowledged Ronnie for surpassing Dorian.
hey dummy, Samir voted for Gustavo in the challenge round in 05 while the judges awarded Ronnie 1st compared to Gustavo in 3rd. This proves that Samir is not fit to judge physiques. So much for your big 'trump card' to discredit Flex magazine. ::)
show me where Ronnie explicitly says that Dorian has the better back. ;)
I love how you ignore the fact that dorian's arms are the worst in olympia history in that shot with Ronnie LOL ::)
even the 1965/6 Larry Scott owns his arms: :'(
thats should tell you something..
This shot is better than anything Ronnie has ever shown ;)
wrong: like the latest flex poll says:
Dorian owns Ronnie and Arnold , no contest ;)
wrong again, like the latest flex poll says: :P
What does the greatest bodybuilder of all time have to say? what does Samir Bannout have to say? hey how does it feel knowing your own hero always sides with me? ;)
doesn't matter what they say.hahahaha, epic calves as big as quads on Dorian. :D
if they said the sky was purple, would you belive it when you looked up? fuck no.
and you shouldnt believe it when you see the facts:
see above , it's irrelevant because you say so , in the article you're clinging to they outright say there are still many today who feel his back is better , this is totally relevant to the topic at hand.
we're talking specifically about backs and not physique in general and I asked you before how did it get better? other than being bigger albeit softer , you didn't offer any response just more blanket statements. if Flex said that Dorian had the best back of the 20th century that includes 1998/1999 Olympias that Ronnie won so how does a bigger softer back mean it's better? it doesn't
No it doesn't you idiot , Gustavo kicked Ronnie's ass in the side triceps shot he was fit to judge that particular pose and guess what he was dead on the money too , just because Ronnie won the contest doesn't mean he didn't lose a few poses , you would know this if you knew how the IFBB conducts it's judging but I've long exposes your ignorance in this area a long time ago
the your default semantics game huh? never expected that from you
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
right here is where he said it and FYI that was 2003 , so much for ' evolve '
how does it feel Neo getting your ass kicked by your own hero time and time again? that's gotta suck lol
hahahaha, epic calves as big as quads on Dorian. :D
damn, I made it simple for you and it still went over your head. many =/= majority
Ronnie's back was slightly wider and thicker at the 01 ASC while maintaining the same conditioning as 98. In 03, he sacrificed conditioning but presented a much larger back which still had plenty of definition.
wtf you babbling about? Samir voted for Gustavo (who came in 3rd) in the challenge round posedown over 1st place Ronnie. And you're trying to argue that Samir has more credibility than the experts at Flex ? ::)
I'm still waiting. Nowhere does Ronnie say Dorian has a better back. ;)
Best EVAAA!!! 8)
How the fuck did you come to the conclusion his back is slightly wider and thicker in 01 vs 98? How , explain this one don't tell me it is explain how he is , he's almost identical weights good luck explaining that one
, and again larger is NOT an improvement when it comes at the expense of density and detail , was his back good in 03? yes was it improved NO
Samir wasn't asked to judge the whole contest just one pose and the adjudicated it correctly , Gustavo does have a better side triceps pose and that has NOTHING to do with the entire contest and why moron? because there are a ton more other poses , Ronnie could still loose three poses and still win with straight firsts and how? because the highs & lows are both thrown out , again YOU don't have the first clue on how contests are judged , Samir's opinion carries just as much weight if not more than Flex seeing he was asked to judge challenge round and he's written for Flex before , again you have dismissed Flex magaziens writers for eons now you're kissing their ass lol epic hypocrite
Ronnie said Dorian had the thickest and freakiest back he ever seen that includes him go play your semantics game elsewhere
for someone who claims to be knowledgable about how contests are judged, you sure are ignorant. Newsflash: bodybuilding is a visual sport. Your problem is that you only look at numbers at paper. You can't say "Ronnie was 247 lbs in 98 and 01. Therefore, he must have looked exactly the same." He presented different physiques both years. His legs were smaller and his conditioning was slightly better at the 01 ASC, which means he carried more muscle in his upper body.
larger is an improvement if the difference in size is greater than the difference in definition. ;)
I still don't know wtf you're talking about. Samir was one of the judges during the challenge round. He judged every pose including the posedown between Gustavo and Ronnie. He f*cked up when he picked Gustavo b/c the actual judges gave Ronnie 1st and Gustavo 3rd at the Mr. Olympia. It's amusing that you continue to defend the credibility of Samir when he's obviously not fit to judge physiques. ;D
muscularity is only part of the judging criteria. There's still definition, symmetry, taper, and fullness left. So I will ask you again since you seem to be struggling with understanding: show me where Ronnie said Dorian has the best back of all-time.
for someone who claims to be knowledgable about how contests are judged, you sure are ignorant. Newsflash: bodybuilding is a visual sport. Your problem is that you only look at numbers at paper. You can't say "Ronnie was 247 lbs in 98 and 01. Therefore, he must have looked exactly the same." He presented different physiques both years. His legs were smaller and his conditioning was slightly better at the 01 ASC, which means he carried more muscle in his upper body.
larger is an improvement if the difference in size is greater than the difference in definition. ;)
I still don't know wtf you're talking about. Samir was one of the judges during the challenge round. He judged every pose including the posedown between Gustavo and Ronnie. He f*cked up when he picked Gustavo b/c the actual judges gave Ronnie 1st and Gustavo 3rd at the Mr. Olympia. It's amusing that you continue to defend the credibility of Samir when he's obviously not fit to judge physiques. ;D
muscularity is only part of the judging criteria. There's still definition, symmetry, taper, and fullness left. So I will ask you again since you seem to be struggling with understanding: show me where Ronnie said Dorian has the best back of all-time.
Dorian who? ;)
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3 Mutants, each with a back that could block out the sun."SPORT" ??? ::)
This is just fucking insannnne. Muscle on top of muscle. Thickness coleman never had. Complete development Coleman never had.hahahaha, of course it was, delts overpowering the back, calves as big as his quads, BOOOM. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=309635;image)
hahahaha, of course it was, delts overpowering the back, calves as big as his quads, BOOOM. ;D
Dave aka Sharma....it's obvious you love trolling and getting responses out of those that take your posts too seriously. I'm still curious as to when the idea came to you to make the Sharma account? I gotta admit, it was pretty good....::) epic conspiracy theories to avoid the embarassment of your so called "champion" in that shot. :D
dorian looked like shit... levrone owned his arse... 6 gift olympia titles
I posted two comparisons of Ronnie 2001/1998 which YOU did NOT comment on , no shit it's a visual sport and I based my opinion that he's neither thicker nor wider in 2001 YOU just made the comment and that's it great logic typical of you and what do you do? the same shit right over again....
how the fuck do you know his legs were smaller and his conditioning was better? and I love how is the legs are smaller then his back must be wider LMFAO your deductive reasoning leaves a lot to be desired , did you see Ronnie in 1998 and in 2001 so close that you could judge he was lighter in the legs and wider in the lats? NO you're just claiming this bullshit because you need it to be that way because it supports your original bullshit claim his back ' evolved '
we're not talking about definition we're talking about DENSITY a bigger softer back doesn't make it a better back or an ' evolved ' back Dorian's back offseason was harder than Ronnies in 2003 so using your logic it's better because it doesn't sacrifice anything , he had a christmas tree at 300 pounds , and he still has advantages in trap size , lat length , detail , etc so he still has it all
of course you don't know what I'm talking about , you don't know how contests are judged just because Samir won the challenge round doesn't mean he deserved to win the whole contest , again one can win and loose poses and still win the contest , and who says he's not fit you? the IFBB decided otherwise and on the topic of backs it's arguable that Dorian has a better back same with Ronnie , is it so far out of the realm to think he might be right? NO you're just trying to discredit him because his point of view doesn't coincide with yours
Show me where Ronnie said it isn't the best back of all-time his opinion crushes yours period , how does one have the thickest & freakiest back but it's not the best? and many other people say it's the best so it coincides with an established fact , and you're the idiot trying to harp on ' muscularity is only part of the judging criteria ' yet you'll claim Ronnie's bigger softer back which isn't as sharply defined as it was in 1998 or 2001 is somehow an evolution lol lets say his back is the best of all time what does that say when Ronnie says someone has a thicker and freakier back than him?
You think Greg Merritt is somehow more of an authority than Samir Bannout?
Ronnie >>> Dorianhahahahaha, also contdown to the "you had to see him in person, pictures don't do him justice".....3......2.......1. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian vs Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie26Redo.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian vs Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)
countdown to the excuses... 3... 2... 1... ;)
LMFAO. Ronnie's forearms are twice as long as Dorian's. Your comparisons are retarded. Dorian killed Ronnie every time they competed and Ron was closer to his prime than Dorian in 96, 97!!!
Dorian is bending his forearms away from the camera, you idiot. If I scaled their forearms to be the same length, then Dorian's head would be twice the size of Ronnie's. ::)HAHAHAHA, i love how these clowns can ignore the visual evidence that's staring them right in the face and still come up with excuses. ::)
hahahahaha, also contdown to the "you had to see him in person, pictures don't do him justice".....3......2.......1. ::)
I didn't comment on them b/c your comparisons are shit. They seriously look like a baboon with a mallet and a computer made them.
Ronnie's legs looked smaller at the 01 ASC. That's how I know. And I didn't say his legs were smaller, therefore his back must be wider. Learn to pay attention, dipshit. You asked me how his back could be wider if he weighed the same both years. I gave you a plausible reason.
yawn, I never said a larger back is better than a more defined back. I said a larger back is better if the difference in size > the difference in definition. Ronnie's back in 03 was just as big, if not bigger, and more defined than an off season Dorian. Nice try, though. ;)
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you need to go back and read the issue of Flex with the 05 Mr. Olympia coverage. Samir didn't compete in the challenge round, idiot. He was one of the ex-Olympia judges for the challenge round. I'm not talking about winning or losing points. Ronnie and Gustavo were tied at the end. So they had a posedown to decide a winner. Samir picked Gustavo over Ronnie even though Gustavo only came in 3rd at the actual Mr. Olympia.
I can't prove a negative since it never happened. The burden lies on you to show where Ronnie explicitly said Dorian has the best back ever.
yes
I didn't comment on them b/c your comparisons are shit. They seriously look like a baboon with a mallet and a computer made them.
Ronnie's legs looked smaller at the 01 ASC. That's how I know. And I didn't say his legs were smaller, therefore his back must be wider. Learn to pay attention, dipshit. You asked me how his back could be wider if he weighed the same both years. I gave you a plausible reason.
yawn, I never said a larger back is better than a more defined back. I said a larger back is better if the difference in size > the difference in definition. Ronnie's back in 03 was just as big, if not bigger, and more defined than an off season Dorian. Nice try, though. ;)
you need to go back and read the issue of Flex with the 05 Mr. Olympia coverage. Samir didn't compete in the challenge round, idiot. He was one of the ex-Olympia judges for the challenge round. I'm not talking about winning or losing points. Ronnie and Gustavo were tied at the end. So they had a posedown to decide a winner. Samir picked Gustavo over Ronnie even though Gustavo only came in 3rd at the actual Mr. Olympia.
I can't prove a negative since it never happened. The burden lies on you to show where Ronnie explicitly said Dorian has the best back ever.
Ronnie >>> Dorian
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian vs Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie26Redo.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian vs Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)
countdown to the excuses... 3... 2... 1... ;)
LMFAO. Ronnie's forearms are twice as long as Dorian's. Your comparisons are retarded. Dorian killed Ronnie every time they competed and Ron was closer to his prime than Dorian in 96, 97!!!
the funny thing is that Dorian is still getting killed in the shot you post, arms are half the size and Ronnie's back is still bigger and more detailed not to mention his legs are much better. ::)
LOL you can't be serious?
the irony of YOU of all people commenting on someone's comparisons looking like shit , seriously.
oh really? Grow up, idiot. ::)
Ronnie's legs look smaller to you , they don't look smaller to me so in fact you don't know you're winging it as usual you make these stupid assertions and offer up not one shred of evidence just your guess
and you've still yet to explain how his conditioning was slighting better , more bullshit on your behalf there is NOTHING ' plausible ' about your guesses and what the fuck do you know about conditioning anyway? you're the same dummy who claims there is no way Dorian is harder & drier than Ronnie despite proof to the contrary so when you say someone is wider and or better conditioned as usual you don't know what you're talking about
That's once again YOUR interpretation of what is better and spoken like a true fan boy a bigger softer less detailed back is better than a smaller one albeit harder , drier and more detailed , soft size doesn't trump the total package , again more just utter nonsense backed up with NOTHING but your fan-boy opinion , again you claim things but have no proof what so ever , Ronnie's back 03 was just as big if not bigger and more defined than Dorian offseason LMFAO how the fuck do you know? you don't know as usual keep fantasizing
No shit he didn't compete it's called a typo idiot,
again the point still stands you brag about how Samir's not as competent as a Flex writer when in fact he was a writer for Flex so your original statement means nothing , Samir's opinion how who has the best back is just as valid as Greg Merrit if not more so seeing he was a paid writer for Flex and he's a Mr Olympia with an outstanding back to boot , you needing an angle are trying to discredit him because of the challenge round
your game of semantics is old and tired seriously you bore me with the game playing , he conceded in 03 Dorian's back was the thickest he's even seen him included , you make an assertion which is based purely on fan-boy worship and your own hero kicks your ass concerning it and you dismiss him as an idiot or wrong and your somehow right lol what does it say when number 1 on Flex's best back list says number 2 has the thickest and freakiest back he's ever seen? and what about when Flex says Dorian has the greatest back of the 20th century INCLUDING Ronnie Coleman himself ? it says your shit out of luck as usual
Neo , I explained to you before I just started doing it and stopped because they weren't coming out any good , the difference between you and I is , I don't keep posting them YOU do .
your comparisons are a JOKE for the many reasons I've explained , keep posting them and I'll keep laughing at them
I don't know what to tell you other than you're blind. :-\ Ronnie's back improved from 98 to 01.
Ronnie had more detail at the 01 ASC and numerous quotes from experts who saw him in person agree.
ha ha ha, how does making a factual comment make me a fanboy? I'd love to hear your explanation.
oh please, you made a mistake and somehow that makes me an idiot? How old are you?
your point doesn't stand. Samir proved he is incompetent to judge physiques when he chose the 3rd place guy over 1st place. Wtf makes you think he should have any say in a discussion about best back ever? Oh right, b/c he once had a great back. Brilliant logic there, dumbass! ::)
yawn, I'm still waiting for you to show me where Ronnie said Dorian has the best back of all-time. All I see is a comment where Ronnie praises Dorian's thickness. Nowhere did he mention definition, symmetry, taper, and fullness.
I don't know what to tell you other than you're blind. :-\ Ronnie's back improved from 98 to 01.
Ronnie had more detail at the 01 ASC and numerous quotes from experts who saw him in person agree.
ha ha ha, how does making a factual comment make me a fanboy? I'd love to hear your explanation.
oh please, you made a mistake and somehow that makes me an idiot? How old are you?
your point doesn't stand. Samir proved he is incompetent to judge physiques when he chose the 3rd place guy over 1st place. Wtf makes you think he should have any say in a discussion about best back ever? Oh right, b/c he once had a great back. Brilliant logic there, dumbass! ::)
yawn, I'm still waiting for you to show me where Ronnie said Dorian has the best back of all-time. All I see is a comment where Ronnie praises Dorian's thickness. Nowhere did he mention definition, symmetry, taper, and fullness.
stop with the bullshit excuses. Your comparisons still suck 10x worse than mine. You posted the following in this thread to 'prove' that Ronnie's back didn't improve from 98 to 01. I see right through your childish antics.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=309490;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247815.0;attach=309491;image)
Ronnie had more detail at the 01 ASC and numerous quotes from experts who saw him in person agree.
more detail than 1998? says who? where?
the funny thing is that Dorian is still getting killed in the shot you post, arms are half the size and Ronnie's back is still bigger and more detailed not to mention his legs are much better.
ND is fun to watch meltdown b/c he makes less and less sense. ;D
ND you can see it right here: Ronnie's back did NOT look this good in 1998.
no way in hell:
What would you know? it absolutely did look like that no questions about it , in terms of crisp muscularity , width , detail and hardness absolutely it did
no, look again:
ronnie's glutes/hams are more ripped at the AC.
his back is THICKER at the AC
his arms are BETTER at the AC.
sorry, you lose miserably in your retarded assessment:
ND you are setting new levels for desperation.. ::)
look how fucking BLURRY that shot of ronnie is at the AC! ::)
you fear a clear one..
::)
cue ND excuse #24375485960687070975865068605487475957659586509605069867 ::)
he just cant win:
contest pic vs contest pic
ronnie showing greater thickness at the AC than in 98, among other improvements like hams and glutes:
Ha ha ha ha ha post a pic of Ronnie closer to the camera type a blanket statement and think you accomplished something ,
holy fuck man you really do have a billion pathetic excuses to circumvent an obvious known fact that is totally apparent..
::)
Show me ANY pic of Ronnie with larger , striated & separated traps like these and good luck ;)
show me ANY pic of dorian that can match this back thickness and arms. good luck. you won't find it. your hero has a paper thin back and twig arms compared to the 8 time Mr. O.
dorian's back just doesn't stack up to Ronnie's.
too thin.
dorian's back just doesn't stack up to Ronnie's.
too thin.
Show me ANY pic of Ronnie with larger , traps like these and good luck ;)
nice pipecleaners dorian LOL
worst arms in the history of the Mr. O. right there baby
and you love it LOL ::)
DONE
show me ANY pic of dorian that can match this back thickness and arms. good luck. you won't find it. your hero has a paper thin back and twig arms compared to the 8 time Mr. O.
lol this is a new low level here
hulkster is arguing which ronnie looked better haha
it's not even ronnie vs dorian anymore it's ronnie vs ronnie for him
ain't the first time either lol Ronnie himself said his best Olympia showing was 1998 because his conditioning was ' spot-on ' Hulkster said he's wrong and he doesn't know what he's talking about lmfao
hahah omg this guy really needs something else in his life
lol this is a new low level here
hulkster is arguing which ronnie looked better haha
it's not even ronnie vs dorian anymore it's ronnie vs ronnie for him
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Foundergreat post.
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
But wait! They are all wrong and ND is right. ::)
ND must be the most delusional fanboy ever. I don't understand how someone who hides behind a computer monitor and has never seen Dorian or Ronnie at their primes can argue that everyone at Flex magazine and experts who have seen both compete are all wrong and he's right. :-\
LOL check it out! ND is using a "comparison" made by ironagers from ironage.com!
hahahaa
::)
you are so dumb.
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
But wait! They are all wrong and ND is right. ::)
its never been ronnie vs dorian for anyone except for ND, Suckmyasshole, England and Icehole.
the rest of the bb community thinks there is no contest. Ronnie crushes him.
ND's father-figures Weider and McGough keep raining on his parade lol
It doesn't help your case when the pics you post show how much better Yates was despite the fact the top pic is NOT even scaled correctly , sorry sport they don't have the same length torsos , lats and traps this is reality
No scaling issues here sherlock. I love this pic because Yates is getting blown off the stage on width and taper. Not even close.
Thanks for playing.
No scaling issues here sherlock. I love this pic because Yates is getting blown off the stage on width and taper. Not even close.
Thanks for playing. Weider and McGough were right about Coleman's dominance. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
dorian dominated a mid 90's ronnie.
so did everyone else.
hope you realize this.
no one dominates Ronnie the Mr. O when he was in shape, including dorian..
no he does not. hope you realize this.
no need to post another picture of ronnie's digitally enhanced mm to one of dorians from a mag 15 years ago.