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Discuss.
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Kevin, who had more pro wins and a better Olympia record.
Nasser was damn good though and at both their respective bests, it is very close.
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Kevin doesn't sell his soiled manties on the internet
end of thread
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At Nasser's best, 96 to mid-99 (Arnold Classic) he beat Levrone about 11 times, including Mr. O's and AC's - Levrone only beat him a few times in GP shows in 97.
So Nasser at his best > Levrone at his best.
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So Nasser at his best > Levrone at his best.
This is quite possible.
PS - inachokerack from musclemayhem?
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This is quite possible.
PS - inachokerack from musclemayhem?
Lol, yup, I can't count the # of times I got banned from there, usually for questioning anything about U.S. war in Iraq which was an automatic banning.
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Lol, yup, I can't count the # of times I got banned from there, usually for questioning anything about U.S. war in Iraq which was an automatic banning.
Yes, as I recall dissenting views of any kind were not allowed on musclemayhem. If you were even remotely critical - even in a constructive fashion - of pros, you would get banned. Epic insecurity. ;D
I do remember one of your user names which was InAChokeRack or some shit. ;D
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Kevin definetly although Nasser was great...
Kevin lasted longer...
Kevin had more wins...
As far as Nasser outmuscling him...Kevin never competed against Nasser at his best...if Kevin were at his best he would beat nasser at his best IMO
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Lol, yup, I can't count the # of times I got banned from there, usually for questioning anything about U.S. war in Iraq which was an automatic banning.
Well, the flipside of the coin is we don't need to worry about those weapons of mass destruction anymore
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nasser is really big in the towel head community and that's it
kevin is a legend
it's no contest really
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Nasser at his very best will always trump anything Kevin could produce. I will give Kevin great credit for his consistency but for a good few years Nasser was quite simply the most stunning combination of mass, symmetry, proportion, conditioning and aesthetics ever seen in the sport.
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Nasser at his very best will always trump anything Kevin could produce. I will give Kevin great credit for his consistency but for a good few years Nasser was quite simply the most stunning combination of mass, symmetry, proportion, conditioning and aesthetics ever seen in the sport.
My gimmick!
- Block!
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13 to 6 Levrone has the edge in victories and way higher average finish, Kevin owns Nasser
Kevin Levrone
Competitive Record
* 2002 Mr. Olympia - 2nd
* 2002 AUSTRALIA PRO INVITATIONAL - 4th
* 2002 IFBB Arnold Classic - 5th
* 2001 British Grand Prix - 1st
* 2001 England Grand Prix - 1st
* 2001 MR OLYMPIA - 3rd
* 2000 MR OLYMPIA - 2nd
* 2000 Arnold Classic 3rd
* 1999 Grand Prix England 3rd
* 1999 Joe Weiders Pro World 3rd
* 1999 Mr. Olympia 4th
* 1999 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
* 1998 Mr. Olympia 4th
* 1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 8th
* 1997 Grand Prix Russia 2nd
* 1997 Grand Prix Spain 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix England 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Finland 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Germany 1st
* 1997 Grand Prix Hungary 1st
* 1997 Mr. Olympia 4th
* 1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
* 1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 2nd
* 1996 Grand Prix England 4th
* 1996 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
* 1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 3rd
* 1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
* 1996 San Jose Pro Invitational 1st
* 1995 Grand Prix England 2nd
* 1995 Grand Prix Germany 1st
* 1995 Mr. Olympia 2nd
* 1994 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
* 1994 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
* 1994 Grand Prix England 2nd
* 1994 Mr. Olympia 3rd
* 1993 Mr. Olympia 5th
* 1992 Mr. Olympia 2nd
* 1992 Night Of Champions 1st
Nasser the Filthy Arab
Competitive Record
* 2002 Mr. Olympia - 15th
* 2002 IFBB Arnold Classic - 10th
* 2001 Mr. Olympia - 9th
* 2000 MR OLYMPIA - 5th
* 1999 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 6th
* 1999 IFBB Joe Weiders Pro World -- 6th
* 1999 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 6th
* 1999 Arnold Classic -- 1st
* 1998 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 3rd
* 1998 Mr. Olympia -- 3rd
* 1998 IFBB Arnold Classic -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB Arnold Classic -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Czech Republic -- 3rd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 3rd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Finland -- 4th
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Hungary -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 3rd
* 1997 IFBB Grand Prix Spain -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 2nd
* 1997 IFBB San Jose Pro Invitational -- 2nd
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix Czech Republic -- 1st
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 2nd
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 2nd
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 1st
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix Spain -- 3rd
* 1996 IFBB Grand Prix Switzerland -- 1st
* 1996 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- Disqualified
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 4th
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 3rd
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 3rd
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 3rd
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix Spain -- 3rd
* 1995 IFBB Grand Prix Ukraine -- 2nd
* 1995 IFBB Houston Pro Invitational -- 1st
* 1995 IFBB Night of Champions -- 1st
* 1995 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 3rd
* 1994 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 7th
* 1994 IFBB Night of Champions -- 2nd
* 1993 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 3rd
* 1993 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 3rd
* 1990 IFBB Grand Prix Finland -- 8th
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Nasser the Filthy Arab
Wait until InAChokeRack sees this. ;D
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nasser had 3 or 4 great years
Mr. Levrone had 10 great years
end of thread
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1997 IFBB Grand Prix Finland -- 4th
4th place? Wasn't 97 Nasser's peak year?
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13 to 6 Levrone has the edge in victories and way higher average finish, Kevin owns Nasser
Kevin Levrone
Competitive Record
* 2002 Mr. Olympia - 2nd
* 2002 AUSTRALIA PRO INVITATIONAL - 4th
* 2002 IFBB Arnold Classic - 5th
* 2001 British Grand Prix - 1st
* 2001 England Grand Prix - 1st
* 2001 MR OLYMPIA - 3rd
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Kevin's average placing = 2.43, Nasser's average placing = 3.67.....
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not even debatable, even for you muslim cock-suckers...............although they are both desperate adn sad losers at this point...........kevin in his prime was twice the bodybuilder nasshole was..............nasshol e made a laughing-stock of himself twords the end.......levin was always on point, right till the last time he walked offstage.
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not even debatable, even for you muslim cock-suckers...............although they are both desperate adn sad losers at this point...........kevin in his prime was twice the bodybuilder nasshole was..............nasshol e made a laughing-stock of himself twords the end.......levin was always on point, right till the last time he walked offstage.
That was about the time Nasser starting changing oil towards the end ;)
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That was about the time Nasser starting changing oil towards the end ;)
changing oil, selling skivvies...............t hats what we call "the good life"
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Kevin. silly question.
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I do remember one of your user names which was InAChokeRack or some shit. ;D
You've got an amazing memory ;D
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Kevin. silly question.
So silly because from Nasser's peak years Kevin only beat him at a few GP shows in 97? ::)
Nasser had top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows (with the other two being 4th places) - Kevin's history as per what Groink pasted does not have any such streak. Every so often he'd fall at 5th or 8th. Nasser's placings only dropped towards the end of his career.
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You've got an amazing memory ;D
Can you tell me the EXACT user name please?
I know it was In A Choke Rack or some shit. Please tell me. ;D
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Kevin killing Nasser.
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/2000/finals/pose-04.jpg)
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;) Even with weights in his hands, Levrone's biceps and shoulders are to much for Sonbaty. Also Levrone's chest is bigger and more muscular as Nasser looks very watery and bloated.
(http://digilander.libero.it/bbzone/immagini/ph_olympia02/mro22_0830Levrone.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstories_g.jpg)
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So silly because from Nasser's peak years Kevin only beat him at a few GP shows in 97? ::)
Nasser had top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows - Kevin's history as per what Groink pasted does not have any such streak. Every so often he'd fall at 5th or 8th. Nasser's placings only dropped towards the end of his career.
You are funny. you will spin shit any way you can to make Nasser come out on top.
Levrone on average placed higher and won more shows in the same era as Nasser
And another streak Kevin doesn't have is looking like a washed up , oil filled, piece of shit for three years straight and placing with the also-rans
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You are funny. you will spin shit any way you can to make Nasser come out on top.
Levrone on average placed higher and won more shows in the same era as Nasser
And another streak Kevin doesn't have is looking like a washed up , oil filled, piece of shit for three years straight and placing with the also-rans
Nasser can continue competing for 20 or 30 years and regardless of how he places his record still proves that during his peak streak of 3-4 years he beat a peak Levrone many more times than lost ;) Who cares how someone places during their last few shows when they are semi-retired and not taking things as seriously anymore.
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Nasser can continue competing for 20 or 30 years and regardless of how he places his record still proves that during his peak streak of 3-4 years he beat a peak Levrone many more times than lost ;) Who cares how someone places during their last few shows when they are semi-retired and not taking things as seriously anymore.
Kevin OWNS Nasser the filthy Arab 13-8 in head to head competition ;)
So....Let's review.
Levrone won more shows....almost twice as many than Nasser.
Levrone On average finished 2nd place ... Nasser 4th , for their careers
Levrone Beat nasser 13-8 heads up.
Thanks for playing BigKnobs.
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i can tell you that Kevin has nothing but respect and admiration for Nasser. ditto for Ronnie coleman.
just watch Nasser on the way part 4 and 7 and you can see that from Kevin's + ronnie's interactions with Nasser.
all 3 were amongst the best BB's of all time.
Nasser's legacy is that his legend endures well beyond his competitive years- no other BB is more respected and admired by so many fans.
Not only was Nasser one of the greatest ever BB's but he is always known as a gentleman, a great ambassador for the sport (hence his weider contract until his retirment) and absolutely the most well spoken and intelligent pro BB of all time.
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i can tell you that Kevin has nothing but respect and admiration for Nasser. ditto for Ronnie coleman.
just watch Nasser on the way part 4 and 7 and you can see that from Kevin's + ronnie's interactions with Nasser.
all 3 were amongst the best BB's of all time.
Nasser's legacy is that his legend endures well beyond his competitive years- no other BB is more respected and admired by so many fans.
Not only was Nasser one of the greatest ever BB's but he is always known as a gentleman, a great ambassador for the sport (hence his weider contract until his retirment) and absolutely the most well spoken and intelligent pro BB of all time.
all 4 of you ::)
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all 4 of you ::)
Flex magazine pointed out that at an Olympia expo the lineup at Nasser's booth for photos/autographs was very very long while Kevin Levrone's booth seated next to him was empty or near empty
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Flex magazine pointed out that at an Olympia expo the lineup at Nasser's booth for photos/autographs was very very long while Kevin Levrone's booth seated next to him was empty or near empty
Now you are down to Expo lines....this is what's known as grasping for straws.
Probably was an Al-Qaeda meeting
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Now you are down to Expo lines....this is what's known as grasping for straws.
Probably was an Al-Qaeda meeting
Nah, was just in direct response to you saying he only has four fans ;)
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Nah, was just in direct response to you saying he only has four fans ;)
So I guess you don't have anything to to add about Levrone completely dominating Nasser ???
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So I guess you don't have anything to to add about Levrone completely dominating Nasser ???
I already posted above how Nasser completely dominated Levrone during both of their peak years. I'm not concerned with how they placed when Nasser was semi-retired in his last several shows
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Levrone won more shows....almost twice as many than Nasser.
Kevin won 20 pro shows, which was actually more than triple Nasser`s total.
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I already posted above how Nasser completely dominated Levrone during both of their peak years. I'm not concerned with how they placed when Nasser was semi-retired in his last several shows
1996 was the ONLY year Nasser had a better record that Levrone.
That's YEAR.....singular, as in ONE. So being that they both competed in the same 10 year span, that means Kevin won 9 rounds to Nasser's 1
BTW Nasser got DQ'ed at the Olympia that year for being sub-human scum
Levrone placed 4th ;)
You are a cool dude BigKnobs and an intelligent, well spoken guy
But you need to STFU with this already, the numbers don't lie. You being an accountant and all should know this.
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Kevin. Just like his physique better.
I also align Kevin with an entire era of bb. He, Shawn, and Flex, for that matter - to me they were the epitome of the 90's bb revival. More than Dorian or Ronnie, actually. When I think of Nasser, I just think 96-97. Like I only think of 83-84 when I think of Samir; truly great briefly, but not for an 'era', like the guys above, or Arnold, Franco, and Zane in the 70's.
Excellent post....I agree 100%
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1996 was the ONLY year Nasser had a better record that Levrone.
That's YEAR.....singular, as in ONE. So being that they both competed in the same 10 year span, that means Kevin won 9 rounds to Nasser's 1
BTW Nasser got DQ'ed at the Olympia that year for being sub-human scum
Levrone placed 4th ;)
You are a cool dude BigKnobs and an intelligent, well spoken guy
But you need to STFU with this already, the numbers don't lie. You being an accountant and all should know this.
Nasser > Levrone in 96, 97, 98 and 99 Arnold Classic - all Olympias and AC's during those years where they encountered Nasser beat Levrone, as well as the GP shows (except for a couple in 97). That's fact man, like you said, numbers don't lie. If the question is "who is in the top 6 for more years?" then it would be Levrone, but if you look at who at their best was better, it does go to Nasser.
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Nasser > Levrone in 96, 97, 98 and 99 Arnold Classic - all Olympias and AC's during those years where they encountered Nasser beat Levrone, as well as the GP shows (except for a couple in 97). That's fact man, like you said, numbers don't lie. If the question is "who is in the top 6 for more years?" then it would be Levrone, but if you look at who at their best was better, it does go to Nasser.
Yes that's nice Cherry-picking specific contests where Nasser did better.
I thought the Original post was "Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ? "
Not "who looked better in 96?"
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nasser is a better poet
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Discuss.
There is NO discussion . Levrone by a country mile
20 professional wins 4 Mr Olympia runner-up spots
6 professional wins for Nasser with 1 Mr Olympia runner-up spot
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and nasser is bald, that destroys his physique as well.
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Gentlemen,
Bodybuilding judgment is not about who placed ahead of who
It is about who you like and prefer over the others
For example some people like Dorian Yates and consider him as the best ever while in my opinion Dorian is the Worst Mr. Olympia ever.
So, as I said it is just opinions because in bodybuilding there is NO FACTS that bodybuilders can be fairly judged on.
Oh I almost forgot, Kevin Levrone is the best ever on my EYES so of course I would pick him over anybody. However, Nassir in his best is of the greatest ever ;)[/b]
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1997 IFBB Grand Prix Finland -- 4th
4th place? Wasn't 97 Nasser's peak year?
and kevin placed 8th at the AC of the same year where nasser was 2nd!!
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;) Even with weights in his hands, Levrone's biceps and shoulders are to much for Sonbaty. Also Levrone's chest is bigger and more muscular as Nasser looks very watery and bloated.
(http://digilander.libero.it/bbzone/immagini/ph_olympia02/mro22_0830Levrone.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstories_g.jpg)
you dont know anything in anything!!.. kevin needed a wider and thicker chest (also back) to go with his massive arms and shoulders.. nasser had a massive thick chest that matched the rest of him..
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;) Even with weights in his hands, Levrone's biceps and shoulders are to much for Sonbaty. Also Levrone's chest is bigger and more muscular as Nasser looks very watery and bloated.
(http://digilander.libero.it/bbzone/immagini/ph_olympia02/mro22_0830Levrone.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstories_g.jpg)
aaaah i forgot to expose your assholness about biceps too!!
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all 4 of you ::)
no it's the truth.. if you check flex magazine's 90's issues you will see that nasser was always referred to as the most popular and the crowd favorite.. in each issue there was at least a message or 2 from flex readers who had met nasser and how he was so nice and patient with them.. others were writing about free present things (singed photos, dvds..etc) he had given them as presents!!!.. i believe no other bb was doing this but the wizard only!!..
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You are funny. you will spin shit any way you can to make Nasser come out on top.
Thats just because they like being on the bottom so much Groink.
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Flex magazine pointed out that at an Olympia expo the lineup at Nasser's booth for photos/autographs was very very long while Kevin Levrone's booth seated next to him was empty or near empty
wow bobs i swear i wrote my previous comment before reading yours ;D
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1996 was the ONLY year Nasser had a better record that Levrone.
That's YEAR.....singular, as in ONE. So being that they both competed in the same 10 year span, that means Kevin won 9 rounds to Nasser's 1
BTW Nasser got DQ'ed at the Olympia that year for being sub-human scum
Levrone placed 4th ;)
You are a cool dude BigKnobs and an intelligent, well spoken guy
But you need to STFU with this already, the numbers don't lie. You being an accountant and all should know this.
you dont make any sense when saying that nasser got disdualified and levrone placed 4th!!.. like this levrone placed 3rd asshole ;D
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Kevin. Just like his physique better.
I also align Kevin with an entire era of bb. He, Shawn, and Flex, for that matter - to me they were the epitome of the 90's bb revival. More than Dorian or Ronnie, actually. When I think of Nasser, I just think 96-97. Like I only think of 83-84 when I think of Samir; truly great briefly, but not for an 'era', like the guys above, or Arnold, Franco, and Zane in the 70's.
samir was better in 82 than in 84.. imo in 82 he should have won (you can check the video on youtube).. in 85 or so his triceps was severely injured in car accident and after recovery he couldn't present his best shape again.. by the way samir is christian (this note is for the idiots who always claim i support nasser because he is muslim)..
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you dont make any sense when saying that nasser got disdualified and levrone placed 4th!!.. like this levrone placed 3rd asshole ;D
Wow, and you called him an asshole? Wow.
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Dam Shereif you are on a posting spree :D
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Dam Shereif you are on a posting spree :D
;D
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Dam Shereif you are on a posting spree :D
He might get "disdualified" if he doesn't act fast.
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Wolf's gonna win it...
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quads + hams + calves = lower body = half body..
nasser has all the 3 of them much better than levrone..
just a quick note came to my mind :-X :P..
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Until this thread hits 400 pages who really cares
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Nasser the Filthy Arab
Filthy and full of oil.
He is seen as a filthy disgrace to all Arnold winners.
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Discuss.
its all about the winnings and Kevin Levrone has way, way, way more. Common sense.
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But you need to STFU with this already, the numbers don't lie. You being an accountant and all should know this.
An arab accountant...........tax refunds = homous + suicide packs
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There is NO discussion . Levrone by a country mile
20 professional wins 4 Mr Olympia runner-up spots
6 professional wins for Nasser with 1 Mr Olympia runner-up spot
So according to your logic theree is no discussion either between who is a greater bodybuilder between Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates, as the former has many more pro wins ;)
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So according to your logic theree is no discussion either between who is a greater bodybuilder between Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates, as the former has many more pro wins ;)
hahahhahahahahaa..
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There is NO discussion . Levrone by a country mile
20 professional wins 4 Mr Olympia runner-up spots
6 professional wins for Nasser with 1 Mr Olympia runner-up spot
Great Post! ;D
QFT. Kevin beats him clearly. LOL End of Discussion. Kevin > Nasser
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kevin
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So according to your logic theree is no discussion either between who is a greater bodybuilder between Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates, as the former has many more pro wins ;)
Purely from a statistical standpoint Ronnie is a greater bodybuilder than Dorian because he has more Olympia wins and professional wins , I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean much in the context of Dorian-vs-Ronnie because zero of those wins are against Dorian ;)
And you're missing the big picture win/loss ratio Dorian 88% vs Ronnie's 40% ;D Dorian was a winning machine never once placing below second place in a professional contest that's insanity not even matched to this day . from a statistical standpoint Dorian would beat Ronnie , especially considering he faced Ronnie 8 times and beat him all 8 times ;)
53 contests for Nasser with just 6 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 11%
62 contests for Kevin with 20 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 32%
16 contests for Lee Haney with 11 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 68% never once placing below 3rd in a pro contest
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Purely from a statistical standpoint Ronnie is a greater bodybuilder than Dorian because he has more Olympia wins and professional wins , I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean much in the context of Dorian-vs-Ronnie because zero of those wins are against Dorian ;)
And you're missing the big picture win/loss ratio Dorian 88% vs Ronnie's 40% ;D Dorian was a winning machine never once placing below second place in a professional contest that's insanity not even matched to this day . from a statistical standpoint Dorian would beat Ronnie , especially considering he faced Ronnie 8 times and beat him all 8 times ;)
53 contests for Nasser with just 6 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 11%
62 contests for Kevin with 20 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 32%
16 contests for Lee Haney with 11 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 68% never once placing below 3rd in a pro contest
You're wasting your time. Logical arguments have no effect on the nasser cabal.
They'll read this - stare at each other dumbly and then start another old Dorian Vs Nasser, reiterating the same points that they were proven wrong in the past.
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You're wasting your time. Logical arguments have no effect on the nasser cabal.
They'll read this - stare at each other dumbly and then start another old Dorian Vs Nasser, reiterating the same points that they were proven wrong in the past.
With each post these guys commit to their ignorance & delusion and we all get to sit back and enjoy the show .
All they can do is try and fluff him up ( pun intended ) to more than what he really was
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Purely from a statistical standpoint Ronnie is a greater bodybuilder than Dorian because he has more Olympia wins and professional wins , I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean much in the context of Dorian-vs-Ronnie because zero of those wins are against Dorian ;)
And you're missing the big picture win/loss ratio Dorian 88% vs Ronnie's 40% ;D Dorian was a winning machine never once placing below second place in a professional contest that's insanity not even matched to this day . from a statistical standpoint Dorian would beat Ronnie , especially considering he faced Ronnie 8 times and beat him all 8 times ;)
53 contests for Nasser with just 6 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 11%
62 contests for Kevin with 20 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 32%
16 contests for Lee Haney with 11 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 68% never once placing below 3rd in a pro contest
LMAO @ "big picture" - bodybuilding is not statistics. Yates did not enter very many shows and retired early. There's also a lot more than "how many contests did you win" otherwise someone with 5 wins and 5 last places would look better (according to your "statistics") than someone with 4 wins and 6 2nd placings.
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LMAO @ "big picture" - bodybuilding is not statistics. Yates did not enter very many shows and retired early. There's also a lot more than "how many contests did you win" otherwise someone with 5 wins and 5 last places would look better (according to your "statistics") than someone with 4 wins and 6 2nd placings.
Yet nasser competed in over 3 times as many shows as Yates and was only able to accomplish 6 wins. He was always in an "also ran" slot and could never even repeat a win - dropping down in placings in competitions he had won the previous year.
Yates played it smart and retired before he endangered his health
Nasser continued to spiral downwards and only retired after he had destroyed his health and was unable to compete anymore.
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LMAO @ "big picture" - bodybuilding is not statistics. Yates did not enter very many shows and retired early. There's also a lot more than "how many contests did you win" otherwise someone with 5 wins and 5 last places would look better (according to your "statistics") than someone with 4 wins and 6 2nd placings.
No why take that into context of who is better ::)
Dorian didn't need to enter many contests his main focus and goal wad the Olympia every other one was an after thought and I agree there is more than how many contests you win many points to ponder which is exact why I included how many runner-ups at the Olympia and how many Kevin beat Nasser ( which I did before ) don't hyper-focus on one element I can embarrass you even more with how many second place contests Kevin won and how he never placed below 8th in a pro contest compared to Nasser if you'd like ;D
out of the two Kevin is by far the superior bodybuilder without question it's not debatable
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Yet nasser competed in over 3 times as many shows as Yates and was only able to accomplish 6 wins. He was always in an "also ran" slot and could never even repeat a win - dropping down in placings in competitions he had won the previous year.
Yates played it smart and retired before he endangered his health
Nasser continued to spiral downwards and only retired after he had destroyed his health and was unable to compete anymore.
It's not as though he'd win then completely drop, he was very consistent with 29 top 3 placings in 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with the other two being 4th places). Before that he was an up-commer for his first four-five years as a pro and afterwards his placings dropped as he came closer to retirement.
Nasser is open about his few visits to the hospital and shares them with the public as he is not ashamed of it at all. Just because Yates has not come out and discussed any health issues he had in the past does not mean he's healthier. None of us can say who is healthier today between the two of them.
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No why take that into context of who is better ::)
Dorian didn't need to enter many contests his main focus and goal wad the Olympia every other one was an after thought and I agree there is more than how many contests you win many points to ponder which is exact why I included how many runner-ups at the Olympia and how many Kevin beat Nasser ( which I did before ) don't hyper-focus on one element I can embarrass you even more with how many second place contests Kevin won and how he never placed below 8th in a pro contest compared to Nasser if you'd like ;D
out of the two Kevin is by far the superior bodybuilder without question it's not debatable
Good points. Same thing with Ronnie. Once he devoted himself to the Olympia he rarely prepared for any other competition. Nasser on the other hand was competing everywhere - US and Internationally and all he accomplished was a stunning record of 6 wins and ended up in 15th place before being forced to retire. Of course its all due to racism ;D
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It's not as though he'd win then completely drop, he was very consistent with 29 top 3 placings in 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with the other two being 4th places). Before that he was an up-commer for his first four-five years as a pro and afterwards his placings dropped as he came closer to retirement.
Nasser is open about his few visits to the hospital and shares them with the public as he is not ashamed of it at all. Just because Yates has not come out and discussed any health issues he had in the past does not mean he's healthier. None of us can say who is healthier today between the two of them.
He didn't plan on retiring - he was forced to due to the multiple health issues he was facing.
If he had been smart he would have focused his attention on 1-2 shows rather than trying to compete all over the place. He spent a majority of his best years within the top 5. While that is commendable its hardly in the same league as Yates or Ronnie. In fact Shawn and Levrone were far more consistent in staying in the top 5 rankings prior to "retirement" . Nassers divorce is hardly an excuse- a lame one at that, for his downward spiral after 1999.
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Good points. Same thing with Ronnie. Once he devoted himself to the Olympia he rarely prepared for any other competition. Nasser on the other hand was competing everywhere - US and Internationally and all he accomplished was a stunning record of 6 wins and ended up in 15th place before being forced to retire. Of course its all due to racism ;D
Exactly his record speaks for itself 6 wins out of 53 tries win/loss ratio of 11% lol it's sad they can't look past their hero's own faults and see he's not as great as they made him out to be , a very good bodybuilder though and when they're reduced to crying politics they can't be taken seriously anymore
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Exactly his record speaks for itself 6 wins out of 53 tries win/loss ratio of 11% lol it's sad they can't look past their hero's own faults and see he's not as great as they made him out to be , a very good bodybuilder though and when they're reduced to crying politics they can't be taken seriously anymore
However when Nasser places above Levrone or Ray...its not politics. :D
Nasser was a weider accquisition. Joe Weider invested in nasser and spent millions bringing him to the US and setting him up. Why would he go out of his way to destroy that investment?. The only person nasser has to blame is himself - he had a very short lived drive to win and tapered off as the years went by. His lack of focus and consistency was why he was always relegated to an "also ran" spot.
Last time I checked it was Joe Weiders Mr Olympia not Mcgough's or Weinbergers.
To sum up - nasser was a good bodybuilder not a great one. That's why his name is not spoken with the same level of respect afforded to Levrone, Wheeler, Ray.
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However when Nasser places above Levrone or Ray...its not politics. :D
Nasser was a weider accquisition. Joe Weider invested in nasser and spent millions bringing him to the US and setting him up. Why would he go out of his way to destroy that investment?. The only person nasser has to blame is himself - he had a very short lived drive to win and tapered off as the years went by. His lack of focus and consistency was why he was always relegated to an "also ran" spot.
Last time I checked it was Joe Weiders Mr Olympia not Mcgough's or Weinbergers.
To sum up - nasser was a good bodybuilder not a great one. That's why his name is not spoken with the same level of respect afforded to Levrone, Wheeler, Ray.
What's funny is that these morons claim even while winning he was still discriminated against LMAO these guys can't be taken seriously just laughed at
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Kevin.
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However when Nasser places above Levrone or Ray...its not politics. :D
Nasser was a weider accquisition. Joe Weider invested in nasser and spent millions bringing him to the US and setting him up. Why would he go out of his way to destroy that investment?. The only person nasser has to blame is himself - he had a very short lived drive to win and tapered off as the years went by. His lack of focus and consistency was why he was always relegated to an "also ran" spot.
Last time I checked it was Joe Weiders Mr Olympia not Mcgough's or Weinbergers.
To sum up - nasser was a good bodybuilder not a great one. That's why his name is not spoken with the same level of respect afforded to Levrone, Wheeler, Ray.
very well said
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What's funny is that these morons claim even while winning he was still discriminated against LMAO these guys can't be taken seriously just laughed at
Actually they he claims that the judges couldn't let nasser lose all the time so a token win (in czech or Russia ;D) was granted. One of their his more bizarre and delusional excuses to date. :D.
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I smell love between Tyr and ND. You seem to be soul mates, you should hook up!
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I smell love between Tyr and ND. You seem to be soul mates, you should hook up!
I see another Nasser guy who can't formulate a cognizant argument so go on the defensive with the personal attacks ;D
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I see another Nasser guy who can't formulate a cognizant argument so go on the defensive with the personal attacks ;D
Whatever, you and the rest of the pumpkin-heads are kings of personal attacks. Maybe I don't want to spend all night arguing on the internet like you do. You should leave the Nasser-threads and continue posting in the truce-thread where you got your ass handed to you.
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I smell love between Tyr and ND. You seem to be soul mates, you should hook up!
Since you lack the intellect to even make any valid points other than your manlust for nasser you should go back to doing what you do best - Jerking off to your nasser pics while sitting in your parents basement.
Knock yourself out...literally :D
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Since you lack the intellect to even make any valid points other than your manlust for nasser you should go back to doing what you do best - Jerking off to your nasser pics while sitting in your parents basement.
Knock yourself out...literally :D
I see another ND guy who can't formulate a cognizant argument so go on the defensive with the personal attacks
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Purely from a statistical standpoint Ronnie is a greater bodybuilder than Dorian because he has more Olympia wins and professional wins , I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean much in the context of Dorian-vs-Ronnie because zero of those wins are against Dorian ;)
And you're missing the big picture win/loss ratio Dorian 88% vs Ronnie's 40% ;D Dorian was a winning machine never once placing below second place in a professional contest that's insanity not even matched to this day . from a statistical standpoint Dorian would beat Ronnie , especially considering he faced Ronnie 8 times and beat him all 8 times ;)
53 contests for Nasser with just 6 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 11%
62 contests for Kevin with 20 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 32%
16 contests for Lee Haney with 11 wins that's a win/loss ratio of 68% never once placing below 3rd in a pro contest
but dont forget that dorian himself said the ronnie is the best ever!!.. this was during an interview with shawn ray and flex wheeler at the last AC..
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I see another ND guy who can't formulate a cognizant argument so go on the defensive with the personal attacks
Hahaha
Is that the best you've got? Sorry I insulted your mancrush for nasser.
I know your feelings for him run deep. Why don't you go back to down to the basement and continue lurking like a good little troll you are :-*
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No why take that into context of who is better ::)
Dorian didn't need to enter many contests his main focus and goal wad the Olympia every other one was an after thought and I agree there is more than how many contests you win many points to ponder which is exact why I included how many runner-ups at the Olympia and how many Kevin beat Nasser ( which I did before ) don't hyper-focus on one element I can embarrass you even more with how many second place contests Kevin won and how he never placed below 8th in a pro contest compared to Nasser if you'd like ;D
out of the two Kevin is by far the superior bodybuilder without question it's not debatable
yes kevin had a better history and no one can argue with that but when both were at their best, nasser had the better physique..
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yes kevin had a better history and no one can argue with that but when both were at their best, nasser had the better physique..
Now on this one Sheriff I'll have to agree ...
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yes kevin had a better history and no one can argue with that but when both were at their best, nasser had the better physique..
Says you ;)
Kevin in my opinion has a better physique
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Whatever, you and the rest of the pumpkin-heads are kings of personal attacks. Maybe I don't want to spend all night arguing on the internet like you do. You should leave the Nasser-threads and continue posting in the truce-thread where you got your ass handed to you.
Hahahah more weak logic the true thread? that's a lame attempt at deflection and you can't spend all day arguing because you can't even formulate an argument
Nasser was a very good bodybuilder but no where near as great as you guys make him out to be
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I smell love between Tyr and ND. You seem to be soul mates, you should hook up!
tyr/dl/barauda/nizar always licks the shit of anyone who is against team nasser so it's normal here.. ND is just trying to find a way after bobs showed that according to his logic he sees that ronnie is better than dorian ;D
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tyr/dl/barauda/nizar always licks the shit of anyone who is against team nasser so it's normal here.. ND is just to trying to find a way after bobs showed that according to his logic he sees that ronnie is better than dorian ;D
Coming from someone who swings from nassers balls thats pretty amusing sha-labia. Did you think of that all by yourself? Too bad the logic I used prevailed and bob had to Pm you to log on and defend him.
Poor little Pygmy gets owned yet again and still can't muster a decent response.
Are you going to log on as sharma now? ;D
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In the end, Nasshole shits in posing trunks and sells them on the internet to his pumpkin head fanboys while Kevin hasn't sunk that low.
I'll admit though, Nasshole was better than Levrone at one thing...beating women. That guy could throw a punch into a woman's jaw like no other.
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tyr/dl/barauda/nizar always licks the shit of anyone who is against team nasser so it's normal here.. ND is just trying to find a way after bobs showed that according to his logic he sees that ronnie is better than dorian ;D
Hahahahah that backfired in Bob's face and I notice neither of you dared to respond ;)
just based on Olympia wins and total pro wins Ronnie is better than Dorian , however there is much more to it than that if you find comfort in that more power to you but when all things are considered Dorian beats them ALL ;D
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face facts, bobs
nasser was rarely talked about here until you started posting about "nasser nights" and the bb.com interview
if it wasn't for you he would be talked about here as much as mike francois, a very good bodybuilder from the 90's that fell off the map, Mr. Levrone has always LevrOWNED the minds of getbiggers
nasser was great for about 4 years then completely fell off the map, 4 out 10 years does not make a bodybuilder an all time great, greatness is measured over a career
i'll give you an example, for about 3 years shaun alexander was arguably the best running back in the nfl, today he is desperately hoping a team will at least let him stand on the sideline
a guy like jerome bettis was never considered to be the best running back in the league, but he had a long consistent career and because of that he will go to the hall of fame
not only was Mr. Levrone more consistent (placed 8th once, 6th once, top 5 at every other show), he has more wins, and he just looks much better than nasser :)
and nasser never beat him at his best, nassers best years (96-99) were Mr. Levrone's worst, he was soft and bloated those years but still good enough to place top 4 at most shows during the most competitive era
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Coming from someone who swings from nassers balls thats pretty amusing sha-labia. Did you think of that all by yourself? Too bad the logic I used prevailed and bob had to Pm you to log on and defend him.
Poor little Pygmy gets owned yet again and still can't muster a decent response.
Are you going to log on as sharma now? ;D
bobs didnt need me to defend him because he was giving it to ND in a good way.. i am not saying to you too because you are nothing..
by the way.. how is your last exposed gimmick "stapleton"?? ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P
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Sherief Shalaby destroying the unemployed troll dl/nizar/tyr/barracuda/stapleton yet again ..
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Sherief Shalaby destroying the unemployed troll dl/nizar/tyr/barracuda/stapleton yet again ..
lol this piece of filth kept claiming that i had gimmicks after i had exposed most of his gimmicks but failed to prove anything simply because he is stupid and also because i dont have any gimmicks..
today the asshole desperately claimed that you are my gimmick ;D!!.. can you imagine how desperate the poor fellow has become my friend??..
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lol this piece of filth kept claiming that i had gimmicks after i had exposed most of his gimmicks but failed to prove anything simply because he is stupid and also because i dont have any gimmicks..
today the asshole desperately claimed that you are my gimmick ;D!!.. can you imagine how desperate the poor fellow has become my friend??..
maybe because the lonely troll live his life on here with multiple identities and gimmicks (that even talk to each other!!!) he assume all others are as truly sad and pathetic as he?
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face facts, bobs
nasser was rarely talked about here until you started posting about "nasser nights" and the bb.com interview
if it wasn't for you he would be talked about here as much as mike francois, a very good bodybuilder from the 90's that fell off the map, Mr. Levrone has always LevrOWNED the minds of getbiggers
nasser was great for about 4 years then completely fell off the map, 4 out 10 years does not make a bodybuilder an all time great, greatness is measured over a career
i'll give you an example, for about 3 years shaun alexander was arguably the best running back in the nfl, today he is desperately hoping a team will at least let him stand on the sideline
a guy like jerome bettis was never considered to be the best running back in the league, but he had a long consistent career and because of that he will go to the hall of fame
not only was Mr. Levrone more consistent (placed 8th once, 6th once, top 5 at every other show), he has more wins, and he just looks much better than nasser :)
and nasser never beat him at his best, nassers best years (96-99) were Mr. Levrone's worst, he was soft and bloated those years but still good enough to place top 4 at most shows during the most competitive era
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All bullshit aside this is a good post, great analogy........ although I think Kevin was a more elite BBer than Bettis was a RB.
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nasser had 3 or 4 great years
Mr. Levrone had 10 great years
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Sherief Shalaby destroying the unemployed troll dl/nizar/tyr/barracuda/stapleton yet again ..
haha yes
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maybe because the lonely troll live his life on here with multiple identities and gimmicks (that even talk to each other!!!) he assume all others are as truly sad and pathetic as he?
he suffers from a hopless projection case :-\
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Talking to yourself shalaby/sharma/hugeAl? :D
Pretty funny how you ran away like a bitch and hid until I was offline before venturingg out to log into your dual accounts.
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LMAO @ "big picture" - bodybuilding is not statistics.
no one remembers 2nd place dickhead
no wonder nasser got nowhere ---------> he just never knew how to grab the prize
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Talking to yourself shalaby/sharma/hugeAl? :D
Pretty funny how you ran away like a bitch and hid until I was offline before venturingg out to log into your dual accounts.
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PROJECTION at its worth :-\ i know how you feel now after i exposed nearly all your gimmicks with proofs :P so no wonder you are saying nonsense.. your are stupid and pathetic as always, saying i am this guy or that, you must prove it or else shut your mouth up and avoid yourself more embarrassment :-\
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Nasser was a very strong force in 95-98 and he was close to win the title but his time was relatevily short compared to Kevin and Shawn. His body began to fail in 99 and it was downhill from there.
Kevin was always at the top. Ten times in top 4 at the Olympia and four times runner-up.
Althought Kevin was superior in my opinion Nasser was closer to win the title(97 O) than Levrone ever was.
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Nasser was a very strong force in 95-98 and he was close to win the title but his time was relatevily short compared to Kevin and Shawn. His body began to fail in 99 and it was downhill from there.
Kevin was always at the top. Ten times in top 4 at the Olympia and four times runner-up.
Althought Kevin was superior in my opinion Nasser was closer to win the title(97 O) than Levrone ever was.
we dont argue who had a better career because kevin's competitions history and the numbers of titles he won put him ahead of nasser.. but imo in his best years 1995-1999 nasser reached something Kevin never reached, nasser’s physique in these years was better than kevin’s best ever shape and also nasser’s fan base during these years was much bigger than kevin’s fan base at anytime in his long great career..
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this is plain silly...
Fact: Kevin is a 100x greater bb than nasser...
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Nah, was just in direct response to you saying he only has four fans ;)
why was he not recognized onstage with all the other Arnold winners
last year?
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no contest .. kevin..
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we dont argue who had a better career because kevin's competitions history and the numbers of titles he won put him ahead of nasser.. but imo in his best years 1995-1999 nasser reached something Kevin never reached, nasser’s physique in these years was better than kevin’s best ever shape and also nasser’s fan base during these years was much bigger than kevin’s fan base at anytime in his long great career..
there is an old saying...anything after "but" is bullshit. ;D
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Kevin ftw
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PROJECTION at its worth :-\ i know how you feel now after i exposed nearly all your gimmicks with proofs :P so no wonder you are saying nonsense.. your are stupid and pathetic as always, saying i am this guy or that, you must prove it or else shut your mouth up and avoid yourself more embarrassment :-\
Projection at its worth? DO you even understand what you're typing. :D
Where are the proofs of my so called gimmicks? All there is just you naming various names as though they are me. Show me proof that I'm this nizar or stanton or whoever else that you have swimming in your head. Oh wait...you can't. The fact is that you're so desperate and ashamed of your race and culture that you seek to project your failures onto others. Just like nasser projecting his dismal failures on judges,milos,yates, etc.
Incidentally I noticed you were lurking online when I was posting earlier but didn't have the guts to speak out then did you?. You slunk around like until I left so you could make your "brave" post. Face it litle pygmy - I own your wretched mind.
Dance.puppet...dance.... hahahahaha
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It's not as though he'd win then completely drop, he was very consistent with 29 top 3 placings in 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with the other two being 4th places). Before that he was an up-commer for his first four-five years as a pro and afterwards his placings dropped as he came closer to retirement.
Nasser is open about his few visits to the hospital and shares them with the public as he is not ashamed of it at all. Just because Yates has not come out and discussed any health issues he had in the past does not mean he's healthier. None of us can say who is healthier today between the two of them.
Sorry Bob's, I like Nasser but I have to go with Levrone on this one, I think he had a better overall physique and because he had more pro wins.
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Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
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Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
Great research ND, as much as I like Nasser and think he is one of the greats I think Levrone was better, and proof is above, altough Nasser has done better post BB and is not worried about $$ liek Kevin is. ND don't you think this thread needs a few Dorian pic's ;D
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Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
Driving the final nails into the coffin that holds all the weak nasser excuses? ;)
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Driving the final nails into the coffin that holds all the weak nasser excuses? ;)
The best they can now manage is to say Nasser was better at his best compared to Kevin ;D which is more fantasy on their parts
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The best they can now manage is to say Nasser was better at his best compared to Kevin ;D which is more fantasy on their parts
Nasser is fantasy lover himself. Why else would a middle aged man refer to himself as a wizard.
Of all the things nasser has lost he probably misses his mind the most. ;D
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Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
Damn. There really is NOTHING left to say after that
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Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
onachokerack. ;D
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there is an old saying...anything after "but" is bullshit. ;D
BUT sometimes what comes after BUT says something ;D :P
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BUT sometimes what comes after BUT says something ;D :P
Spare us the tales of your homosexual acts shalaby. Keep it in the mosque not out here :D
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ND has owned team synthol again
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All bullshit aside this is a good post, great analogy........ although I think Kevin was a more elite BBer than Bettis was a RB.
of course and i am just as much a steeler fan as i am a Levroneite :D
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Can this even be discussed??
KEVIN LEVRONE!!
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Can this even be discussed??
KEVIN LEVRONE!!
Discussion is over
Levrone > Nasser as ND so painstakingly pointed out using irrefutable facts not emotion.
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Physically, it was apples and oranges - K Lo had a great shape and was pretty freaky, but Nasser was far more muscular with just as freaky a look. From a bodybuilding accomplishment perspective though, K Lo was the better bodybuilder by his stats, consistency and track record.
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Discussion is over
Levrone > Nasser as ND so painstakingly pointed out using irrefutable facts not emotion.
Man I never ever thought I would say this to a response posted by you but QFT :-X
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Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
*Yawn* ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best. Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.
Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.
Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now? Of course not.
Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider.
During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places). He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia). There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders).
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Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best
Not true, Bobs. K Lo beat Nasser in all of the post Olympia Grand Prix shows of 1997, which was the year in which Nasser was at his best.
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Not true, Bobs. K Lo beat Nasser in all of the post Olympia Grand Prix shows of 1997, which was the year in which Nasser was at his best.
97 was far from Nasser's best. He was 270 that year at the Olympia and not as hard as he was in 96 or 98 at even heavier bodyweights. He was better at shows like the 96 Olympia, 97 and 98 Arnold Classic, 98 Olympia, 99 Arnold Classic.
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97 was far from Nasser's best. He was 270 that year at the Olympia and not as hard as he was in 96 or 98 at even heavier bodyweights. He was better at shows like the 96 Olympia, 97 and 98 Arnold Classic, 98 Olympia, 99 Arnold Classic.
Actually he looked better in 97 than he did in 98, esp. in the 98 Mr Olympia. 96 he was 10 lb heavier yes, but he was more blocky.
I don't remember what he looked like in the 99 AC - that was the one he won, no?
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*Yawn* ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best. Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.
Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.
Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now? Of course not.
Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider.
During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places). He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia). There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders).
But how can you say that Nasser beat Kevin at his best?
Sorry but Levrone in 96 and 97 are far from his best, same applies for 98. Kevin was huge no doubt but soft.
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But how can you say that Nasser beat Kevin at his best?
Sorry but Levrone in 96 and 97 are far from his best, same applies for 98. Kevin was huge no doubt but soft.
ok.. what about 99 when nasser beat him at the AC? :P
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Actually he looked better in 97 than he did in 98, esp. in the 98 Mr Olympia. 96 he was 10 lb heavier yes, but he was more blocky.
I don't remember what he looked like in the 99 AC - that was the one he won, no?
It would take me a while to dig up pictures (I'm sure you want to see them!) but from pictures he was clearly better in 96 than 97 (especially the rear double biceps shot), most muscular, pretty much every angle. He was also better at the Arnold Classic shows where he was 285ish in 97, 98 and 99.
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Team Nasser: have you ever thought that you might be a little biased in your opinions?
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It would take me a while to dig up pictures (I'm sure you want to see them!) but from pictures he was clearly better in 96 than 97 (especially the rear double biceps shot), most muscular, pretty much every angle. He was also better at the Arnold Classic shows where he was 285ish in 97, 98 and 99.
If you have them, post pics of the 99 AC - I haven't seen those in ages.
Edit* I meant pics of the whole contest, including other contestants and not just Nasser alone ;D
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If you have them, post pics of the 99 AC - I haven't seen those in ages.
Here's one that I have
Sherief - I know you have a video of his 99 AC routine on the facebook page - can you please post the youtube link here for kiwiol? I'm not sure how to get youtube links from FB. Thx.
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ok.. what about 99 when nasser beat him at the AC? :P
No, that wasnt Kevin's best either.
His best condition (other than 92) was in the 2000 Olympia
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Team Nasser: have you ever thought that you might be a little biased in your opinions?
no!!.. what are you asking? :-X
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Nasser the Filthy Arab
Groink Filty R-E-D-N-E-C-K
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Here's one that I have
Sherief - I know you have a video of his 99 AC routine on the facebook page - can you please post the youtube link here for kiwiol? I'm not sure how to get youtube links from FB. Thx.
some pics from the show but not a lot with kevin and nasser beside each other:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50334&id=48163666888
and here is the link of nasser's routine:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=62045507095
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thanks... now i'm convinced...
kevin owns nasser...
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*Yawn* ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best. Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.
Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.
Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now? Of course not.
Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider.
During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places). He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia). There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders).
*Yawn* ND still trying to suggest that the question of who is a better bodybuilder can simply be answered by quantitative factors alone, while ignoring the major qualitative factor that Levrone only beat Nasser when he was not at his best. Your "stats" focus on years when Nasser was still growing (his first five years as a pro) as well as his last few years where he was not even competing seriously anymore.
The question of who is a better bodybuilder has been answered you just don't like the results because as usual your hero doesn't make the cut. You're just gonna have to accept that facts Nasser wasn't as good as you and the other zealots make him out to be
Kevin only beat Nasser when he wasn't at his best? This is Kevin's fault? Nasser didn't show up in great shape and it's Kevin's fault? and that works two ways Bob-o , Nasser only beat Kevin when Kevin was off once again you trying to have it both ways
I posted all the stats that cover both of their entire careers and Kevin outclassed Nasser
Using your purely statisitcal method Levrone probably has more wins against Ronnie Coleman than vice versa, so obviously stats alone do not answer the question.
It's not only wins against each other it's the whole career , wins against each other , wins against others , professional wins , second places , loses , impact everything has to be considered don't just cherry pick one aspect and cry foul
Ronnie Coleman can continue competing until he's 50 or 60 and as his placings drop, would that make him a poorer bodybuilder than if he just chooses to retire now? Of course not.
No and why? he has the most career wins and EIGHT Sandows this sets him apart from everyone and always will
Similarly, the fact that Nasser continued to compete for several years past his prime does not make him a worse bodybuilder than if he retired after 99 or 2000, yet ND's "statistics" incorrectly suggest this does make him a worse bodybuider
It makes him worse because Kevin even at the twilight of his career was still competitive 3rd place in his last contest which shows he was more competitive throughout his entire career and unlike Nasser who had a few good years
During his best Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th places). He also beat Levrone 11 tinmes during this period (including the 96 Olympia). There's a reason why at the 98 O Flex mag believed it to be a competition between Nasser and Wheeler (Levrone and Ray weren't even considered top contednders
Oh so you only wanna count the good years ::) not how it's done . he did NOT beat Levrone 11 times stop typing this out right LIE he did NOT beat Levrone in 1996 he was disqualified for cheating he beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 , Kevin beat him a hell of a lot more than he beat him
And oh you're touting Flex magazine when it suits your purpose but when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong , I see you went to the Hulkster school of hypocrisy . Levrone & Ray were always considered top contenders in 1998 , with the odds on favorites going to Flex ( who was racking up spring show wins ) and Nasser who was the runner-up in 1997 and he blew it , wide open field he had the clear advantage of being the runner-up the previous year and the fan favorite and like the Yankees he choked
Kevin is not only a better bodybuilder than Nasser , he's a much better bodybuilder than Nasser it's not close , not stat wise not physique wise not career wise .
Nasser was a ho-hum bodybuilder that appealed to a base level of fans because he was super massive and not much more , keep trying to create him into something more and good luck because you've failed thus far .
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The question of who is a better bodybuilder has been answered you just don't like the results because as usual your hero doesn't make the cut. You're just gonna have to accept that facts Nasser wasn't as good as you and the other zealots make him out to be
Kevin only beat Nasser when he wasn't at his best? This is Kevin's fault? Nasser didn't show up in great shape and it's Kevin's fault? and that works two ways Bob-o , Nasser only beat Kevin when Kevin was off once again you trying to have it both ways
I posted all the stats that cover both of their entire careers and Kevin outclassed Nasser
It's not only wins against each other it's the whole career , wins against each other , wins against others , professional wins , second places , loses , impact everything has to be considered don't just cherry pick one aspect and cry foul
No and why? he has the most career wins and EIGHT Sandows this sets him apart from everyone and always will
It makes him worse because Kevin even at the twilight of his career was still competitive 3rd place in his last contest which shows he was more competitive throughout his entire career and unlike Nasser who had a few good years
Oh so you only wanna count the good years ::) not how it's done . he did NOT beat Levrone 11 times stop typing this out right LIE he did NOT beat Levrone in 1996 he was disqualified for cheating he beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 , Kevin beat him a hell of a lot more than he beat him
And oh you're touting Flex magazine when it suits your purpose but when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong , I see you went to the Hulkster school of hypocrisy . Levrone & Ray were always considered top contenders in 1998 , with the odds on favorites going to Flex ( who was racking up spring show wins ) and Nasser who was the runner-up in 1997 and he blew it , wide open field he had the clear advantage of being the runner-up the previous year and the fan favorite and like the Yankees he choked
Kevin is not only a better bodybuilder than Nasser , he's a much better bodybuilder than Nasser it's not close , not stat wise not physique wise not career wise .
Nasser was a ho-hum bodybuilder that appealed to a base level of fans because he was super massive and not much more , keep trying to create him into something more and good luck because you've failed thus far .
What a cock Bigbobs is.
Now Nasshole wasn't "competing seriously" for the last 5 years of his career, and he was "still growing" in his first 5. I've never seen someone make more bullshit excuses for someone in my life.
He was only serious when he won, right Bigknobs ::) ::)
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Kevin versus Nasser really isn't even a fair comparison. Kevin has arguably one of the greatest physiques ever.
Nasser is really remembered more for what his physique lacked (back) and the use of synthol.
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What a cock Bigbobs is.
Now Nasshole wasn't "competing seriously" for the last 5 years of his career, and he was "still growing" in his first 5. I've never seen someone make more bullshit excuses for someone in my life.
He was only serious when he won, right Bigknobs ::) ::)
Exactly like it's Kevin's fault Nasser wasn't as good right out the box as him or Kevin beat him more often than not because Nasser wasn't in shape lol great logic
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Exactly like it's Kevin's fault Nasser wasn't as good right out the box as him or Kevin beat him more often than not because Nasser wasn't in shape lol great logic
Nasser sells more "sports memorabilia" currently than Kevin, who doesn't sell any. Does that not give the Wizard an advantage ???
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There's 40 000 pre-orders for the Nasser bestseller. Look it up at Amazon.
If you factor in the entire aura of greatness that surrounds Nasser (ie. Nasser's massive popularity, penchant for the truth, smashing pumpkins) He might be the greatest pageant contestant of all time
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Kevin versus Nasser really isn't even a fair comparison. Kevin has arguably one of the greatest physiques ever.
Nasser is really remembered more for what his physique lacked (back) and the use of synthol.
Yes...Nasser the filthy used synthol to bring up his weak bodyparts because he wasn't serious ::)
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Nasser sells more "sports memorabilia" currently than Kevin, who doesn't sell any. Does that not give the Wizard an advantage ???
What's funny is they swore up and down he did NOT sell them now they try and down play how pathetic things have become for him by spinning and saying he's merely doing it as a service to his fans ::)
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The question of who is a better bodybuilder has been answered you just don't like the results because as usual your hero doesn't make the cut. You're just gonna have to accept that facts Nasser wasn't as good as you and the other zealots make him out to be
Kevin only beat Nasser when he wasn't at his best? This is Kevin's fault? Nasser didn't show up in great shape and it's Kevin's fault? and that works two ways Bob-o , Nasser only beat Kevin when Kevin was off once again you trying to have it both ways
I posted all the stats that cover both of their entire careers and Kevin outclassed Nasser
It's not only wins against each other it's the whole career , wins against each other , wins against others , professional wins , second places , loses , impact everything has to be considered don't just cherry pick one aspect and cry foul
No and why? he has the most career wins and EIGHT Sandows this sets him apart from everyone and always will
It makes him worse because Kevin even at the twilight of his career was still competitive 3rd place in his last contest which shows he was more competitive throughout his entire career and unlike Nasser who had a few good years
Oh so you only wanna count the good years ::) not how it's done . he did NOT beat Levrone 11 times stop typing this out right LIE he did NOT beat Levrone in 1996 he was disqualified for cheating he beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 , Kevin beat him a hell of a lot more than he beat him
And oh you're touting Flex magazine when it suits your purpose but when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong , I see you went to the Hulkster school of hypocrisy . Levrone & Ray were always considered top contenders in 1998 , with the odds on favorites going to Flex ( who was racking up spring show wins ) and Nasser who was the runner-up in 1997 and he blew it , wide open field he had the clear advantage of being the runner-up the previous year and the fan favorite and like the Yankees he choked
Kevin is not only a better bodybuilder than Nasser , he's a much better bodybuilder than Nasser it's not close , not stat wise not physique wise not career wise .
Nasser was a ho-hum bodybuilder that appealed to a base level of fans because he was super massive and not much more , keep trying to create him into something more and good luck because you've failed thus far .
Whoa, can you say MELTDOWN of epic proportions? lol, have never seen anyone melt so badly at one of my posts. FACT is that during their respective bests, Nasser repeatedly beat Kevin over and over for 4 consecutive years (11 shows), and only lost a few of the less significant 97 GP shows. All Mr. O's and Arnold Classics during this time went to Nasser > Levrone. You can't stand this fact so you resort to comparing their careers while Nasser was an early pro or right before his retirement when he was going downhill.
Levrone was at or near his best throughout his whole competitive career, so its simply BS that he was in poor shape during Nasser's prime and therefore Nasser supposedly didn't beat Levrone at his best.
If Nasser held off on competing in a pro qualifier until 94 or 95 then he'd be able to say he won his first pro show within a year of turning pro - and that would supposedly make him a better bodybuilder? LMAO. Or if he decided to retire after the 2000 Olympia? ::)
And Nasser soundly beat Levrone (and Flex Wheeler) at the 96 Olympia. Just as Jay Cutler's 2001 placing is recognized, so is Nasser's. Regardless of whether the IFBB took back the prize money and updated the placings on their website, the majority of followers of the "sport" recognize his 96 placing.
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Whoa, can you say MELTDOWN of epic proportions? lol, have never seen anyone melt so badly at one of my posts. FACT is that during their respective bests, Nasser repeatedly beat Kevin over and over for 4 consecutive years (11 shows), and only lost a few of the less significant 97 GP shows. All Mr. O's and Arnold Classics during this time went to Nasser > Levrone. You can't stand this fact so you resort to comparing their careers while Nasser was an early pro or right before his retirement when he was going downhill.
Levrone was at or near his best throughout his whole competitive career, so its simply BS that he was in poor shape during Nasser's prime and therefore Nasser supposedly didn't beat Levrone at his best.
If Nasser held off on competing in a pro qualifier until 94 or 95 then he'd be able to say he won his first pro show within a year of turning pro - and that would supposedly make him a better bodybuilder? LMAO. Or if he decided to retire after the 2000 Olympia? ::)
And Nasser soundly beat Levrone (and Flex Wheeler) at the 96 Olympia. Just as Jay Cutler's 2001 placing is recognized, so is Nasser's. Regardless of whether the IFBB took back the prize money and updated the placings on their website, the majority of followers of the "sport" recognize his 96 placing.
Nasser was disqualified in 96 for using an illegal diuretic. he did not finish third.
He resorted to using Diuretics that were unacceptable to the IFBB. remember this was in the aftermath of Andreas Munzer dropping dead and they were trying to reel in the drastic drying out.
Nasser being the smug Cock-Licker that he is, thought this didn't apply to him and was justly disciplined for being a douchebag, he got what he deserved
this is fact
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Nasser was disqualified in 96 for using an illegal diuretic. he did not finish third.
He resorted to using Diuretics that were unacceptable to the IFBB. remember this was in the aftermath of Andreas Munzer dropping dead and they were trying to reel in the drastic drying out.
Nasser being the smug Cock-Licker that he is, thought this didn't apply to him and was justly disciplined for being a douchebag, he got what he deserved
this is fact
Actually, practically every competitor in 96 took diuretics. They made a rumour that there would be a test to show that they're "doing something" about the drug "problem," but in actuality no test occured. Nasser mentioned in passing that he took diuretics to Matarazzo, who mentioned it to certain IFBB officials, and based on that they took away Nasser's prize money on the basis that he "cheated" just in order to find a scapegoat and show that they're "doing something" about diuretics.
Ask anyone who competed in the 96 Olympia whether or not an actual test occured, you'll be surprised ;)
Majority of bb-followers consider Nasser as getting third in 96. Ask 10 bb fans who got 3rd in 96, and most will say "Nasser," not whatever the name of the person is who got 4th prior to Nasser's disqualification. Also, no one will say "Nasser lost to Levrone in 96 because he got disqualified" lol.
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Whoa, can you say MELTDOWN of epic proportions? lol, have never seen anyone melt so badly at one of my posts. FACT is that during their respective bests, Nasser repeatedly beat Kevin over and over for 4 consecutive years (11 shows), and only lost a few of the less significant 97 GP shows. All Mr. O's and Arnold Classics during this time went to Nasser > Levrone. You can't stand this fact so you resort to comparing their careers while Nasser was an early pro or right before his retirement when he was going downhill.
Levrone was at or near his best throughout his whole competitive career, so its simply BS that he was in poor shape during Nasser's prime and therefore Nasser supposedly didn't beat Levrone at his best.
If Nasser held off on competing in a pro qualifier until 94 or 95 then he'd be able to say he won his first pro show within a year of turning pro - and that would supposedly make him a better bodybuilder? LMAO. Or if he decided to retire after the 2000 Olympia? ::)
And Nasser soundly beat Levrone (and Flex Wheeler) at the 96 Olympia. Just as Jay Cutler's 2001 placing is recognized, so is Nasser's. Regardless of whether the IFBB took back the prize money and updated the placings on their website, the majority of followers of the "sport" recognize his 96 placing.
Whoa, can you say MELTDOWN of epic proportions? lol, have never seen anyone melt so badly at one of my posts. FACT is that during their respective bests, Nasser repeatedly beat Kevin over and over for 4 consecutive years (11 shows), and only lost a few of the less significant 97 GP shows. All Mr. O's and Arnold Classics during this time went to Nasser > Levrone. You can't stand this fact so you resort to comparing their careers while Nasser was an early pro or right before his retirement when he was going downhill.
What else are you going to say? you can't argue with the facts so when faced with an irrefutable facts cry ' meltdown ' do you even know what a meltdown is? where is the personal attacks? the obscene language ? I mean this is what you're offering us? this is it? ??? seriously you're making yourself look a LOT worse than I just did
FACT you don't even know Levrone's best is , FACT whenever they faced each other Kevin Levrone soundly beat Nasser 25 to 10 , you only wanna take into consideration when Nasser was beating Kevin ( which was rare ) the FACTS can't be changed out of the two Levrone is the greater bodybuilder of all time
Levrone was at or near his best throughout his whole competitive career, so its simply BS that he was in poor shape during Nasser's prime and therefore Nasser supposedly didn't beat Levrone at his best.
Again YOU don't even know when Kevin's best was , and Nasser beat him ONLY when he was off NOT on the stats confirm this 25 to 10
If Nasser held off on competing in a pro qualifier until 94 or 95 then he'd be able to say he won his first pro show within a year of turning pro - and that would supposedly make him a better bodybuilder? LMAO. Or if he decided to retire after the 2000 Olympia? ::)
Again factor in ALL these things and we're not talking about if's or buts or ands we're talking about FACTS
Fact Kevin was a winner right out of the gate , Nasser wasn't
FACT Kevin won a pro show in his first year , Nasser took years , he turned pro in 1990 and didn't win a pro show until 5 years later , FACT Levrone was more competitive at the start , middle and end of his career ALL factors considered not just cherry picking like you
And Nasser soundly beat Levrone (and Flex Wheeler) at the 96 Olympia. Just as Jay Cutler's 2001 placing is recognized, so is Nasser's. Regardless of whether the IFBB took back the prize money and updated the placings on their website, the majority of followers of the "sport" recognize his 96 placing.
NO he didn't sorry slick you can't rewrite history , 199 Mr Olympia Nasser was DQ he has NO placing i.e. he did NOT beat Kevin Levrone he did NOT beat Flex Wheeler , Nasser agreed in 1996 as did ALL the competitors that not only would they lose their contest placings but they would also forfeit their contest earnings , Nasser knew he cheated he doesn't exist at the 199 Mr Olympia with the exception of an asterisk saying he was disqualified for cheating , he did NOT beat anyone in 1996
like Hulkster you can't touch the facts you look for diversions like claiming ' meltdown ' ::) from him that was expected from you it shows how desperate you've become because you're not good enough ( ironically like your hero ) to compete with me so look for another way out
Kevin Levrone is the superior bodybuilder compared to Nasser , case closed.
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Actually, practically every competitor in 96 took diuretics. They made a rumour that there would be a test to show that they're "doing something" about the drug "problem," but in actuality no test occured. Nasser mentioned in passing that he took diuretics to Matarazzo, who mentioned it to certain IFBB officials, and based on that they took away Nasser's prize money on the basis that he "cheated" just in order to find a scapegoat and show that they're "doing something" about diuretics.
Ask anyone who competed in the 96 Olympia whether or not an actual test occured, you'll be surprised ;)
Majority of bb-followers consider Nasser as getting third in 96. Ask 10 bb fans who got 3rd in 96, and most will say "Nasser," not whatever the name of the person is who got 4th prior to Nasser's disqualification. Also, no one will say "Nasser lost to Levrone in 96 because he got disqualified" lol.
You're just like Nasser so full of shit , no test was done , PROVE IT ! don't rehash what Nasser tells you he's biased as they come what else is he gonna say? and even entertaining this garbage Nasser was an idiot for mentioning to Matarazzo so either way he's a loser
And your proof is ask anyone at the 96 Olympia ::) PROVE there was no test taken I don't care about hear say or anecdotal evidence , prove there was no test done and prove everyone took them
Nasser's name does NOT appear on ANY list other than the one he has on his own website as a 3rd place winner in 1996 Olympia who cares what the fans say? they don't judge contests
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What else are you going to say? you can't argue with the facts so when faced with an irrefutable facts cry ' meltdown ' do you even know what a meltdown is? where is the personal attacks? the obscene language ? I mean this is what you're offering us? this is it? ??? seriously you're making yourself look a LOT worse than I just did
FACT you don't even know Levrone's best is , FACT whenever they faced each other Kevin Levrone soundly beat Nasser 25 to 10 , you only wanna take into consideration when Nasser was beating Kevin ( which was rare ) the FACTS can't be changed out of the two Levrone is the greater bodybuilder of all time
Again YOU don't even know when Kevin's best was , and Nasser beat him ONLY when he was off NOT on the stats confirm this 25 to 10
Again factor in ALL these things and we're not talking about if's or buts or ands we're talking about FACTS
Fact Kevin was a winner right out of the gate , Nasser wasn't
FACT Kevin won a pro show in his first year , Nasser took years , he turned pro in 1990 and didn't win a pro show until 5 years later , FACT Levrone was more competitive at the start , middle and end of his career ALL factors considered not just cherry picking like you
NO he didn't sorry slick you can't rewrite history , 199 Mr Olympia Nasser was DQ he has NO placing i.e. he did NOT beat Kevin Levrone he did NOT beat Flex Wheeler , Nasser agreed in 1996 as did ALL the competitors that not only would they lose their contest placings but they would also forfeit their contest earnings , Nasser knew he cheated he doesn't exist at the 199 Mr Olympia with the exception of an asterisk saying he was disqualified for cheating , he did NOT beat anyone in 1996
like Hulkster you can't touch the facts you look for diversions like claiming ' meltdown ' ::) from him that was expected from you it shows how desperate you've become because you're not good enough ( ironically like your hero ) to compete with me so look for another way out
Kevin Levrone is the superior bodybuilder compared to Nasser , case closed.
Whoa ! as the creator of this thread I am proud of the passion that Big Bobs ad N Diety have shown in defending their respective BB's, the passion, wasted time errr research that it must have taken to go back and forth with the stats is truely outstanding. I don't even think Nasser and Kevin went that hard against each other in stage. Even though I am a Kevin fan you cannot dismiss Nasser as being average, I believe that for period of 4 years Nasser was top 2-3 in the world, Kevin was Top 2-3 for about 6 years so they both were great but based on the stats Kevin wins overall. So who will give up first out of these stubborn and highly intelligent posters? So far N Diety has a bit of an edge in terms of arguements but I have faith in my friend Big Bobs to come back and sway the masses. :D
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1997 ALONE Nasser faced Kevin 8 times and lost 7 of them , this was the same year he placed second at the Olympia and many consider his best year NOT Kevin's ;D
1998 Nasser faced Kevin 3 times and lost 2 of them , a year BigBobs claims was among his best , yet he entered 4 contests and didn't win ANY of them
1999 Nasser faced Kevin 4 times and lost 3 of them , a year BigBobs claims was among his best
hahahahahahhaahahah Kevin killed him at Nasser's best years , wanna keep going Bobs? ;D ;) I enjoy correcting people ask Hulkster
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1997 ALONE Nasser faced Kevin 8 times and lost 7 of them , this was the same year he placed second at the Olympia and many consider his best year NOT Kevin's ;D
1998 Nasser faced Kevin 3 times and lost 2 of them , a year BigBobs claims was among his best , yet he entered 4 contests and didn't win ANY of them
1999 Nasser faced Kevin 4 times and lost 3 of them , a year BigBobs claims was among his best
hahahahahahhaahahah Kevin killed him at Nasser's best years , wanna keep going Bobs? ;D ;) I enjoy correcting people ask Hulkster
BOOM ! Diety delivers the final blow, will Bobs survive ? I have still have faith in Bobs that he can recover but the above may have delivered the winning blow in this arguement, the ball is in Big Bobs court now :o
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What else are you going to say? you can't argue with the facts so when faced with an irrefutable facts cry ' meltdown ' do you even know what a meltdown is? where is the personal attacks? the obscene language ? I mean this is what you're offering us? this is it? ??? seriously you're making yourself look a LOT worse than I just did
FACT you don't even know Levrone's best is , FACT whenever they faced each other Kevin Levrone soundly beat Nasser 25 to 10 , you only wanna take into consideration when Nasser was beating Kevin ( which was rare ) the FACTS can't be changed out of the two Levrone is the greater bodybuilder of all time
Again YOU don't even know when Kevin's best was , and Nasser beat him ONLY when he was off NOT on the stats confirm this 25 to 10
Again factor in ALL these things and we're not talking about if's or buts or ands we're talking about FACTS
Fact Kevin was a winner right out of the gate , Nasser wasn't
FACT Kevin won a pro show in his first year , Nasser took years , he turned pro in 1990 and didn't win a pro show until 5 years later , FACT Levrone was more competitive at the start , middle and end of his career ALL factors considered not just cherry picking like you
NO he didn't sorry slick you can't rewrite history , 199 Mr Olympia Nasser was DQ he has NO placing i.e. he did NOT beat Kevin Levrone he did NOT beat Flex Wheeler , Nasser agreed in 1996 as did ALL the competitors that not only would they lose their contest placings but they would also forfeit their contest earnings , Nasser knew he cheated he doesn't exist at the 199 Mr Olympia with the exception of an asterisk saying he was disqualified for cheating , he did NOT beat anyone in 1996
like Hulkster you can't touch the facts you look for diversions like claiming ' meltdown ' ::) from him that was expected from you it shows how desperate you've become because you're not good enough ( ironically like your hero ) to compete with me so look for another way out
Kevin Levrone is the superior bodybuilder compared to Nasser , case closed.
I said "Meltdown" due to the length of your posts and the exaggerated comments you use - its obvious when you make exaggerated claims like, "Its not even close!" that you're getting irritated!
You can't prove who is a better bodybuilder with stats, unless the difference is so significant such a top tier pro versus a third tier pro who never came close in any contest they both competed in, and that's not the case here. The fact that they've both beat each other many times itself shows it is a close comparison. If we're going by stats then I can use the stat that Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th placings) and argue that Levrone never had such a consistent streak over his career and would dip below 3rd and 4th during 31 consecutive shows. The fact that stats can be used in either's favour also shows its a close comparison.
The comparison is subjective and we can probably go for thousands of posts and years like you and Hulkster have. Personally I don't have the passion to do so. I believe Nasser is a greater bodybuilder than Kevin, and you can believe Kevin is.
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Holy Fuck ND is just blasting the hell out of bob the schmoe.
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BOOM ! Diety delivers the final blow, will Bobs survive ? I have still have faith in Bobs that he can recover but the above may have delivered the winning blow in this arguement, the ball is in Big Bobs court now :o
Correction : The balls are in Bigknobs mouth, where they have always been
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Holy Fuck ND is just blasting the hell out of bob the schmoe.
The only thing he's blasting is the back of your throat from the dick-sucking going on with your post here ;D
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I said "Meltdown" due to the length of your posts and the exaggerated comments you use - its obvious when you make exaggerated claims like, "Its not even close!" that you're getting irritated!
You can't prove who is a better bodybuilder with stats, unless the difference is so significant such a top tier pro versus a third tier pro who never came close in any contest they both competed in, and that's not the case here. The fact that they've both beat each other many times itself shows it is a close comparison. If we're going by stats then I can use the stat that Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th placings) and argue that Levrone never had such a consistent streak over his career and would dip below 3rd and 4th during 31 consecutive shows. The fact that stats can be used in either's favour also shows its a close comparison.
The comparison is subjective and we can probably go for thousands of posts and years like you and Hulkster have. Personally I don't have the passion to do so. I believe Nasser is a greater bodybuilder than Kevin, and you can believe Kevin is.
If you want to break it down physically,
Kevin had no weaknesses... massive, symmetrical physique with great lines
Nasser a shit back and synthol in his bi's and delts. plus his head was too big, he smelled awful and he wore glasses and was bald
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The only thing he's blasting is the back of your throat from the dick-sucking going on with your post here ;D
Bob, from now on you will be known as ND's bitch.
He just owned you as bad as Kevin owned Nasser the wizard of synthol.
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Correction : The balls are in Bigknobs mouth, where they have always been
Hahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
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Kevin, who had more pro wins and a better Olympia record.
Nasser was damn good though and at both their respective bests, it is very close.
QFT
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Hahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
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Thanks for classing up a thread that was meant to be an honest discussion of two great athletes, Groink you must be a fag since you are always talking about gay shit, and Stop sucking up to ND, he hates you anyways
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If you want to break it down physically,
Kevin had no weaknesses... massive, symmetrical physique with great lines
Nasser a shit back and synthol in his bi's and delts. plus his head was too big, he smelled awful and he wore glasses and was bald
Practically Kevin's whole body is considered a "weakness" when comparing to Nasser ;)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstoriesa.jpg)
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Bob, from now on you will be known as ND's bitch.
He just owned you as bad as Kevin owned Nasser the wizard of synthol.
Yes It seems that ND has rammed his fist up bigknobs ass and pulled out his soul.
He'll never recover. I think the prudent thing to do would be account deletion at this point
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Practically Kevin's whole body is considered a "weakness" when comparing to Nasser ;)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstoriesa.jpg)
post some vids for a change, at least you can see them in three dimensions to get a better idea.
I don't even look at the pics you post anymore they are all the same shit
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Thanks for classing up a thread that was meant to be an honest discussion of two great athletes, Groink you must be a fag since you are always talking about gay shit, and Stop sucking up to ND, he hates you anyways
shut the fuck up you little shit
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Yes It seems that ND has rammed his fist up bigknobs ass and pulled out his soul.
He'll never recover. I think the prudent thing to do would be account deletion at this point
Seriously, how pathetic is it that he comes here every day and writes post after post defending a man who pays his rent by selling his manties online?
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I said "Meltdown" due to the length of your posts and the exaggerated comments you use - its obvious when you make exaggerated claims like, "Its not even close!" that you're getting irritated!
You can't prove who is a better bodybuilder with stats, unless the difference is so significant such a top tier pro versus a third tier pro who never came close in any contest they both competed in, and that's not the case here. The fact that they've both beat each other many times itself shows it is a close comparison. If we're going by stats then I can use the stat that Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th placings) and argue that Levrone never had such a consistent streak over his career and would dip below 3rd and 4th during 31 consecutive shows. The fact that stats can be used in either's favour also shows its a close comparison.
The comparison is subjective and we can probably go for thousands of posts and years like you and Hulkster have. Personally I don't have the passion to do so. I believe Nasser is a greater bodybuilder than Kevin, and you can believe Kevin is.
I said "Meltdown" due to the length of your posts and the exaggerated comments you use - its obvious when you make exaggerated claims like, "Its not even close!" that you're getting irritated!
I could care less why you typed it's not applicable it's you looking for a way out of the facts and according to the facts it's not even close this irritates YOU because you know it's true and the facts confirm this even at what you consider his best it still wasn't close
You can't prove who is a better bodybuilder with stats, unless the difference is so significant such a top tier pro versus a third tier pro who never came close in any contest they both competed in, and that's not the case here. The fact that they've both beat each other many times itself shows it is a close comparison. If we're going by stats then I can use the stat that Nasser got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years (with only two 4th placings) and argue that Levrone never had such a consistent streak over his career and would dip below 3rd and 4th during 31 consecutive shows. The fact that stats can be used in either's favour also shows its a close comparison.
I can't prove who is better with stats? I just did ;) it was NOT close I don't know what school of logic you attended but 25 compared to 10 is NOT close facts are facts and we're talking directly compared to EACH other forget everyone else the lowest Kevin ever place in a contest was 8th and that was just once he has more wins and more runner-up spots than Nasser you can't touch the stats either way
The comparison is subjective and we can probably go for thousands of posts and years like you and Hulkster have. Personally I don't have the passion to do so. I believe Nasser is a greater bodybuilder than Kevin, and you can believe Kevin is.
You can't argue for thousands of pages you can be like Hulkster and deny for thousands of pages , facts are facts you're entitled to your own beliefs but you're not entitled to your own facts and the facts clearly state that when directly compared to each other Kevin bested Nasser a LOT More than Nasser bested him ;)
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post some vids for a change, at least you can see them in three dimensions to get a better idea.
I don't even look at the pics you post anymore they are all the same shit
Lee Priest taking the giants down in these pics
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Thanks for classing up a thread that was meant to be an honest discussion of two great athletes, Groink you must be a fag since you are always talking about gay shit, and Stop sucking up to ND, he hates you anyways
I don't hate him , I don't even know him ??? I don't hate anyone who has a differing opinion not my style
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Practically Kevin's whole body is considered a "weakness" when comparing to Nasser ;)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasserstoriesa.jpg)
in all fairness and aside of any shit nasser crushes kevin in this pose completely.. from head to toe nasser is better in all areas without a single exeption!!..
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in all fairness and aside of any shit nasser crushes kevin in this pose completely.. from head to toe nasser is better in all areas without a single exeption!!..
And in all seriousness and all bullshit aside....Nasser has oil in his lats, delts and bis.
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And in all seriousness and all bullshit aside....Nasser has oil in his lats, delts and bis.
' scar tissue '
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Yes...Nasser the filthy used synthol to bring up his weak bodyparts because he wasn't serious ::)
More like bring up his ever shrinking bodyparts.
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And in all seriousness and all bullshit aside....Nasser has oil in his lats, delts and bis.
And tris. You can see it in his left tri in the very pic that was provided.
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Mr. Levrone was the best during their careers
as for now, lets just say that some things never change ;D
(http://levronereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Photo-33-300x225.jpg)
(http://levronereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Photo-3-300x225.jpg)
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Nasser sells more "sports memorabilia" currently than Kevin, who doesn't sell any. Does that not give the Wizard an advantage ???
Unfortunately for Nasser, any consignment that requires a Biohazard sticker cannot be considered to be sports memorabilia.
(http://www.girlsandcorpses.com/images/issue9/skidmark.jpg)
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Unfortunately for Nasser, any consignment that requires a Biohazard sticker cannot be considered to be sports memorabilia.
(http://www.girlsandcorpses.com/images/issue9/skidmark.jpg)
Not very sporting to bash nassers primary source of income. Apparently he's patented a new method of "soiling" that defies even the toughest wash. ;D
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2qkleev.jpg)
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Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin ?
You're kidding, right?
Levrone is way better than Nasser. It's not even close, which makes this thread pointless. I could see comparing say Flex and Levrone, but Nasser? ::)
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Mr. Levrone was the best during their careers
as for now, lets just say that some things never change ;D
(http://levronereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Photo-33-300x225.jpg)
(http://levronereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Photo-3-300x225.jpg)
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LOL - Nasser is retired and doesn't take topless pics while pumped from a workout in the locker room like Levrone there...but make no mistake he's much bigger than Kevin today!
These are from an independent guy on the boards:
I went to lunch with Nasser after the prejudging (Outback Steakhouse) and I got to say he was incredibly pleasant. He is a super funny guy and very down to earth. The man is absolutely gigantic but is anything but a meathead. The man is well spoken, polite and very entertaining. I am really glad I got a chance to meet him and hang out. 100% cool dude.
yeah if you wanna feel absolutely tiny sit next to Nasser. His forearms are bigger than most bodybuilders upper arms and that is not an exageration The dude is WIDE as hell to boot. I rarely hang out with other bodybuilders as most have nothing to talk about other than bodybuilding..EVER. That shit gets real old at some point. Unlike so many in or from the industry Nasser was interesting, funny and very down to earth.
Also, its funny how people make judgements on his character without even having met him or talked to him. People who meet him have many positive things to say.
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You're kidding, right?
Levrone is way better than Nasser. It's not even close, which makes this thread pointless. I could see comparing say Flex and Levrone, but Nasser? ::)
Yeah its not like Nasser and Levrone were both top contenders for the Olympia for many of the same years ::)
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Kevin was better for a longer period of time, however, at both of their peaks it is extremely close. Nasser definitely has the advantage in mass, although Kevin is more pleasing overall. Anybody's call really.
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If you want to break it down physically,
Kevin had no weaknesses... massive, symmetrical physique with great lines
Nasser a shit back and synthol in his bi's and delts. plus his head was too big, he smelled awful and he wore glasses and was bald
kevin had no what??? :-\.. sure his calves were very average, sure he needed a thicker torso to go with his great arms and shoulders, sure his quads were good only at the beginning of his career!!.. still one of te best ever, no doubt..
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This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player.
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This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player.
QFT!!!! FTW!!!
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This sums up Nasser best: he was great, one of the all time greasts, but he was NOT better than the top guys of his day (Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kev, Paul, Chris). He's like the 6th man in basketball, he contributed greatly, but he's not the star player.
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Nasser was beat flex at the 95 and 96 Olympia. Nasser wouldve beaten flex at the 97 Olympia too (if flex wasn't a pre-Olympia target of the Asian maffia)
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Yeah its not like Nasser and Levrone were both top contenders for the Olympia for many of the same years ::)
One of them was guess who?
Kevin 4 times runner up for Mr Olympia
Nasser 1 time runner up
Kevin 3rd place winner at the Olympia 3
Nasser 3rd place winner at the Olympia 1
Shall I continue?
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Wow! Major ownage by ND! Great thread.
BTW, Kevin was better ;D
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Wow! Major ownage by ND! Great thread.
BTW, Kevin was better ;D
Agree. ND doing a great job setting the record straight as usual.
And LMAO @ some of Groink's posts.
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Agree. ND doing a great job setting the record straight as usual.
with lies? Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once. Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice. I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. ::)
And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10
....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing. What a joke.
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One of them was guess who?
The fact that you even try to suggest that Nasser was not a top contender for many years eliminates your credibility. You're starting to sound worse than Hulkster.
I guess Ronnie Coleman was wrong in 2000 when he said Nasser has always been a threat to the Olympia title?
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LOL, I noticed "Paul and Chris" too - the fact that he even mentions their names up there shows his biased love for Blacks.
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shut the fuck up you little shit
Awesome comeback sweetheart, did it take your pea brain long to think of that? :-*
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with lies? Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once. Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice. I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. ::)
And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10
....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing. What a joke.
Bobs with a great counter punch :D
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with lies? Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once. Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice. I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. ::)
And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10
....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing. What a joke.
with lies? Nasser got 3rd in 95, 96, and 98 - ND claims he only did once. Even if he tries to eliminate 96 that still leaves twice. I wonder how credible the rest of his "stats" are which I didn't spend the time to try to verify. ::)
I didn't lie that would be YOU by claiming Nasser beat Kevin much more than 10 times recall that? that was called a TYPO I don't need to lie the facts don't need to but what's ironic is you're trying to dismiss all the stats but when they work in your favor then you like them see hypocrite
Nasser TWO 3rd place finishes at the Mr Olympia still behind Kevin's THREE and still behind Kevin's runner-ups as well
And it's still nit-picking, "so and so got x number of runner-ups more than the other guy, therefore they are in different leagues" lol, fact of the matter is they were both top contenders for many of the same years...sure Levrone was for a longer period of time, but while Nassser was a top contender he placed above Levrone in many years (96, 97 and 98) and therefore no one can claim that "it's not even close!"...Not even close is like comparing a top 5 contender to someone who never made the top 10
NO not ' so and so ' Kevin Levrone got more runner-ups than Nasser . when one guy has 4 runner-ups at the Olympia and the other has just 1 that means Kevin was more of a top contender than Nasser ever was , Nasser El Sonbaty is NOT even close to being as good or as competitive as Kevin Levrone , he beat Kevin just 10 times Kevin beat him TWENTY-FIVE NOT close in anyone's vocabulary exception the delusional
....countdown to ND trying to say that he didn't place ahead of Levrone in 96 and even imply that he lost to Levrone that year lol, even though he recognizes Jay Cutler's 2001 placing. What a joke.
He didn't place ahead of ANYONE in 1996 he was disqualified for cheating , history shows this , he agreed to not only lose his placing but his prize money as well , Nasser = failure , he cheated and was disqualified , no excuses needed I have facts on my side unlike you an excuse would be that there was no test and poor Nasser was ratted out by Mike Matarazzo ::)
Jay Cutler placed second in 2001 the difference between the two is Jay challenged the system he had an angle either Nasser didn't have an angle or he wasn't as sophisticated as Jay either way bodybuilding history shows , Jay second in 2001 and Nasser = disqualified in 1996.. facts are facts and all you and Nasser's bullshit can't change them , like him you're in denial he has it on his website he placed third in 1996 lmao no wonder why you're such a fan you're just as delusional as he is
Still waiting for you to prove that out right LIE there was NO test for diuretics in 1996 , where is the proof? and ' ask anyone who was there ' isn't proof and neither is Nasser he still thinks he placed third in 1996 he's not firing on all cylinders
I dare you to ' verify ' ANY of my stats they're all right on point , Nasser is NOT in Kevin Levrone's league
http://www.musclememory.com/ muscle memory is your friend ;)
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Jay Cutler placed second in 2001 the difference between the two is Jay challenged the system he had an angle either Nasser didn't have an angle or he wasn't as sophisticated as Jay either way bodybuilding history shows , Jay second in 2001 and Nasser = disqualified in 1996..
So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.
Still waiting for you to prove that out right LIE there was NO test for diuretics in 1996 , where is the proof? and ' ask anyone who was there ' isn't proof and neither is Nasser he still thinks he placed third in 1996 he's not firing on all cylinders
Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96? I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not. I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer ;)
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The fact that you even try to suggest that Nasser was not a top contender for many years eliminates your credibility. You're starting to sound worse than Hulkster.
I guess Ronnie Coleman was wrong in 2000 when he said Nasser has always been a threat to the Olympia title?
A top contender is someone who could take the title i.e. someone who could beat the current champ , Nasser was that guy in 1997 and he FAILED in 1998 , NO Yates he placed second behind Dorian , it's his show to win and BOOM third place lol face it your hero was never good enough
Kevin Levrone was runner-up at FOUR Mr Olympia that means Kevin was much more of a top contender for the Olympia than Nasser ever was
and please spare me your GetBig credibility ::) this coming from the guy who claimed Levrone was beat by Nasser at the 96 Olympia and Nasser beat him ' much more than 10 times ' and Nasser beat Flex in 1997 despite Flex never entering the show , oh and let's not forget this gem .....' there was no diuretics test in 1996 ' and oh how about Nasser never sold his used trunks? you guys denied this for eons until they showed up on his very own website , and then the spin was ' he's just catering to his fans ' ::)
Levrone is eons better than Nasser it's a prove fact .
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So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.
Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96? I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not. I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer ;)
So if the IFBB "takes away" Nasser's 3rd placing in 96 after announcing it, but leaves Jay's placing, that makes Jay a "better bodybuilder" (since you blindly use "official" stats) LOL gosh you're retarded.
Now you're trying to divert the topic to Jay vs Nasser? Jay is better because he's a multiple Mr Olympia winner and Nasser is NOT ;)
Jay was apparently smarter than Nasser because he found an angle , Nasser just shut his mouth and accepted it . so much for that MENSA IQ
bodybuilding history shows Jay 2001 Mr Olympia second place , Nasser 1996 Mr Olympia DISQUALIFIED , facts are facts , Nasser agreed that not only would all competitors lose their contest placings if found positive they would also forfeit all monies as well , he came up on the short end of the stick and paid the price
and you made up this hypothetical scenario of Jay being better than Nasser and then have the audacity to claim I'm retarded? enough said ;)
Prove that there was a diuretic test in 96? I don't need to prove it since I know there wasn't, and I don't really care if you believe it or not. I just suggested to you that if you ever do get to talk to someone who competed in the 96 Olympia then go ahead and ask, and you'll be surprised by the answer
NO the onus is on YOU and Nasser to prove that there was no test , you're making a claim to the contrary either put up or shut up , I know you can't prove it I just enjoy watching you try and weasel your way out of it
and entertaining your nonsense for one moment saying there was no test , this makes Nasser even more of an idiot for not captioning on an that angle , he could have pulled a Jay and threaten to sue and won his ' third place ' spot and the prize money , so either way you're not working with much , there was a test and Nasser failed and he knows it hence why he never pursued anything you can either look at it as he accepted it like a man back then and now he's just a bitter angry man crying about a contest from 13 years ago , either way Nasser FAILS
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ND is owning bob the schmoe beyond belief in this thread. i almost feel sorry for bob and his collection of used manties
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Now you're trying to divert the topic to Jay vs Nasser? Jay is better because he's a multiple Mr Olympia winner and Nasser is NOT ;)
Jay was apparently smarter than Nasser because he found an angle , Nasser just shut his mouth and accepted it . so much for that MENSA IQ
bodybuilding history shows Jay 2001 Mr Olympia second place , Nasser 1996 Mr Olympia DISQUALIFIED , facts are facts , Nasser agreed that not only would all competitors lose their contest placings if found positive they would also forfeit all monies as well , he came up on the short end of the stick and paid the price
and you made up this hypothetical scenario of Jay being better than Nasser and then have the audacity to claim I'm retarded? enough said ;)
Nowhere am I diverting the topic. I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school :) so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:
a) You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.
b) One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact
(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)
c) If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.
Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."
That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.
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Nowhere am I diverting the topic. I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school :) so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:
a) You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.
b) One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact
(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)
c) If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.
Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."
That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.
Nowhere am I diverting the topic. I take it reading comprehension was never your strong point in school :) so I'll explain in simpler details what I meant:
a) You use "stats" (specifically the # of contest placings alone) to suggest Levrone > Nasser.
b) One of those "stats" is that Levrone "beat" Nasser in 96 even though he placed below him, since the IFBB "took away" Nasser's placing after the fact
(if you're with me so far, this means that contributing to Nasser being a "worse" bodybuilder in your view is his 96 placing relative to Kevin's)
c) If you were discussing Jay's placings you ignore his 2001 failed diuretic test since the IFBB did not "take away" Jay's placing, and therefore 2001 counts towards favourably Jay Cutler's stats.
It's my fault somehow you can't convey what your ' meant ' ? ??? facts is even if we give Nasser a third place win over Kevin , he's still miles ahead you're arguing over semantics but the fact remains Nasser was disqualified in 1996 so be didn't beat Kevin and if you want to play with words Kevin didn't beat him that year but that matters NOT because he still crushed him more than 2 to 1 when they faced each other
Jay has an official placing at the 01 Olympia , Nasser doesn't in 96
Therefore, according to your warped logic, if the IFBB removes one's placing it contributes to them being a worse bodybuilder, yet if they do not withdraw the placing it makes one a "better bodybuilder."
That's where your logic and 100% reliance on quantitative stat factors alone FAIL.
facts are facts I know you hate them but that doesn't change them . either you're in the contest or you're disqualified and your stats are based on this and if one gets counted and the other doesn't that's the way it is
and I noticed you didn't dare touch the second half ;D I don't blame you
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It's my fault somehow you can't convey what your ' meant ' ? ??? facts is even if we give Nasser a third place win over Kevin , he's still miles ahead you're arguing over semantics but the fact remains Nasser was disqualified in 1996 so be didn't beat Kevin and if you want to play with words Kevin didn't beat him that year but that matters NOT because he still crushed him more than 2 to 1 when they faced each other
Jay has an official placing at the 01 Olympia , Nasser doesn't in 96
facts are facts I know you hate them but that doesn't change them . either you're in the contest or you're disqualified and your stats are based on this and if one gets counted and the other doesn't that's the way it is
and I noticed you didn't dare touch the second half ;D I don't blame you
The thread is not titled, "who beat the other more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?" If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory :) The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created. So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much. You keep repeating it over and over again. My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever.
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The thread is not titled, "who beat the other more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?" If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory :) The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created. So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much. You keep repeating it over and over again. My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever.
This is a great debate :D I am hoping that this thread overtakes the Hulkster vs ND threads very soon, bump for you guys
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The thread is not titled, "who beat the other more often - Kevin or Nasser?" or "who has better contest history, Nasser or Kevin?" If that was the question no thread would be made, ag2 would simply go to Musclememory :) The fact is, stats alone do not answer the question of who is the greater bodybuilder, and hence this thread was created. So simply repeating who placed higher in more shows doesn't say much. You keep repeating it over and over again. My point remains that Nasser at his best had a better physique than Levrone at his best - this is something you should be contesting to prove your point - with pictures, comparisons or whatever.
The title is " Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin? " that has been proven facts go start a thread that says ' Who has a better physique at their best Kevin or Nasser " that's much more subjective and opinions can neither be right or wrong
out of the two Kevin is the much better competitive bodybuilder that's not even close or open for discussion , what's funny is you're trying argue stats don't mean much but constantly keep posting the stats of Nasser and his 29 out of 34 contests ( or whatever ) they work when you want them to
Kevin is in another class compared to Nasser it's not debatable
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LOL - Nasser is retired and doesn't take topless pics while pumped from a workout in the locker room like Levrone there...but make no mistake he's much bigger than Kevin today!
These are from an independent guy on the boards:
Also, its funny how people make judgements on his character without even having met him or talked to him. People who meet him have many positive things to say.
A current pic of him hitting the same pose as Levrone would go a long way here bigknobs.
I guarantee Nasser is a fat blob compared to Kevin and his head weighs 80 lbs.
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The title is " Who is considered the greater all time BB, Nasser or Kevin? " that has been proven facts go start a thread that says ' Who has a better physique at their best Kevin or Nasser " that's much more subjective and opinions can neither be right or wrong
You haven't proven shit, all you've done is repeated certain stats like a broken record. The # of pro wins or the # of runner ups is not the end all to a who is considered a greater bodybuilder - who are you to chose that criteria? Lets ask the thread starter - ag2 do you believe that contest results alone dictate who is considered the greater bodybuilder?
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A current pic of him hitting the same pose as Levrone would go a long way here bigknobs.
So Nasser is now expected to take a pic of the same pose as Levrone? lol. How about Levrone take a pic doing shrugs with his chest bursting out like this and ripped arms showing?
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I went to lunch with Nasser after the prejudging (Outback Steakhouse) and I got to say he was incredibly pleasant. He is a super funny guy and very down to earth. The man is absolutely gigantic but is anything but a meathead. The man is well spoken, polite and very entertaining. I am really glad I got a chance to meet him and hang out. 100% cool dude.
yeah if you wanna feel absolutely tiny sit next to Nasser. His forearms are bigger than most bodybuilders upper arms and that is not an exageration The dude is WIDE as hell to boot. I rarely hang out with other bodybuilders as most have nothing to talk about other than bodybuilding..EVER. That shit gets real old at some point. Unlike so many in or from the industry Nasser was interesting, funny and very down to earth.
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nasser is good....
but kevin is a lot better...
built better..no amount of size can change that
kevin wins
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I have to say that in my opinion Levrone is more overrated than Nasser...
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You haven't proven shit, all you've done is repeated certain stats like a broken record. The # of pro wins or the # of runner ups is not the end all to a who is considered a greater bodybuilder - who are you to chose that criteria? Lets ask the thread starter - ag2 do you believe that contest results alone dictate who is considered the greater bodybuilder?
hahahahaha I haven't proven shit ? denial is all you have left , I have proven is eons better than Nasser ever was and you can't stand it , and what's funny is if you had the facts on your side you'd be screaming from the mountain tops . contests results don't mater yet you tried to prove Nasser was better using them ::) contest results alone don't matter what else do you want to consider? where does it end? Shawn Ray is better than Ronnie Coleman because contest results alone don't matter?
you have NOTHING you crumbled under the weight of Kevin's superiority .
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hahahahaha I haven't proven shit ? denial is all you have left , I have proven is eons better than Nasser ever was and you can't stand it , and what's funny is if you had the facts on your side you'd be screaming from the mountain tops . contests results don't mater yet you tried to prove Nasser was better using them ::) contest results alone don't matter what else do you want to consider? where does it end? Shawn Ray is better than Ronnie Coleman because contest results alone don't matter?
you have NOTHING you crumbled under the weight of Kevin's superiority .
All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.
It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.
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The idea behind this thread was that contest results are not always fair and peoples opinons are different ( See 1994 Olympia). IFBB has not always been fair in their judging. If contest results answered each question as to who is/was a greater bodybuilder there would be hardly any room for debate on getbig. Debate should also be respectful and not boild down to petty insults.
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All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.
It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.
No I have all the stats and facts to back up my claim you have conspiracy theories and hearsay and I didn't take just some stats I took them all and they all show Kevin outclassed Nasser , it's NOT close and I don't care how many people say it is , it doesn't change the facts
Looking for a way to shift focus so back to this already corrected logic that Ronnie is better because he has more Olympia wins , this does technically make him a better bodybuilder if that's the ONLY part you want to focus on couple that with Ronnie has the most career wins as well and you have the greatest bodybuilder of all time , which doesn't mean much in the context of if Dorian at his best could beat Ronnie at his best , again how many of those Olympias did he beat Dorian for? NONE how many times did Ronnie beat Dorian? NONE
and I never changed logic that's another LIE by you a trend I notice when you don't have anything else to offer just make things up , my logic remains the same I've said many times before Dorian faced Ronnie eight times and beat him all eight times , Dorian has a much higher win/loss ratio compared to Ronnie , in fact I think the best ever ( 88% V 40% compared to Nasser's pathetic 11% ) I could just sum it up as Dorian beat Ronnie 8 to 0 therefore Ronnie would stand NO chance of beating him , Dorian is the odds on favorite if I just took that into consideration BUT I take all factors into consideration not just one or two that prove my point A'la you
Kevin is in a league Nasser doesn't compare to , try and argue all you want you have a long history of denial like Dorian lost in 96 to a disqualified Nasser and there was not diuretics test and Nasser deserved at least 3 Olympia titles .
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All you have left is telling yourself that I'm in denial. I only used the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat as a way of showing that the question is not so black and white that you can simply take a few stats and argue in one's favour. The fact that certains stats such as that can go in Nasser's favour show that it is a close comparison, as many others in this thread have said as well.
It's also ironic that you have debated with Ronnie fans for years and tens of thousands of posts that Dorian is better when one can use your logic and simply say "Ronnie has more Mr. Olympia wins." Funny how you change your "logic" to suit you when different bodybuilders are being compared.
but yet that's exactly what you are doing.
ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.
You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.
Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche
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So Nasser is now expected to take a pic of the same pose as Levrone? lol. How about Levrone take a pic doing shrugs with his chest bursting out like this and ripped arms showing?
::)
Epic using the mirror seam to appear wider.
he looks fat and has gyno. my arms are bigger (and MUCH better) than that, and I don't use steroids or synthol
Also even though he looks like total crap....that still isn't a current pic.
He is even fatter now
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but yet that's exactly what you are doing.
ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.
You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.
Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche
great idea!.. i'll start this right now :-X
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but yet that's exactly what you are doing.
ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.
You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.
Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche
exactly , everything was considered not just the few good years , the stats show exactly what he feared Kevin kills him and in typical Nasser fan fashion deny , deny , deny
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During his prime Nasser was a serious contender and he was close to win the title but Kevin is definitely considered "a greater bodybuilder". Physique wise you could argue and even that Nasser was closer to win the title. Althought Kevin had much more pro wins you should concentrate on Olympia battles between these two.
I would like to add Shawn and Flex to the comparison.
Kevin-Nasser 6-3
Kevin-Shawn 6-4
Kevin-Flex 4-3
Nasser-Shawn 3-5
Nasser-Flex 2-4
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Nasser still had a better physique - I hope Sheriff reads this
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LOL, I noticed "Paul and Chris" too - the fact that he even mentions their names up there shows his biased love for Blacks.
Because THEY were better, you love and blindness for Nasser's ballsack clouds your judgement...
Dillett had better shape and fullness, width and was more of uber-freak. Chris had better shape, fullness, back, and detail.
BTW he says, "Please be gentle while shaving his ball wrinkles...it hurts"
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Dorian was better than Ronnie, without question.
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but yet that's exactly what you are doing.
ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.
You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.
Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche
True Bigbobs lost the argument pages ago and is now doing what he does best - try to spin his way out by claiming unfair stats and the like. Its always a moving target when you debate with a lovestruck zealot. When the stats are in nassers favor its acceptable but when its not it should be disregarded :-\
The undeniable fact is Nasser lacked the long term consistency exhibited by Flex, Ray,Levrone, Yates, Coleman etc. That's why he's so bitter and full of excuses (Judges,racism, etc) rather than accept his own shortcomings.
Since nasser is undoubtedly reading this exchange bobs has to somehow soften the truth so nasser won't cut off the discount he offers bobs on worn clothes underoos. ;D
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True Bigbobs lost the argument pages ago and is now doing what he does best - try to spin his way out by claiming unfair stats and the like. Its always a moving target when you debate with a lovestruck zealot. When the stats are in nassers favor its acceptable but when its not it should be disregarded :-\
The undeniable fact is Nasser lacked the long term consistency exhibited by Flex, Ray,Levrone, Yates, Coleman etc. That's why he's so bitter and full of excuses (Judges,racism, etc) rather than accept his own shortcomings.
Since nasser is undoubtedly reading this exchange bobs has to somehow soften the truth so nasser won't cut off the discount he offers bobs on worn clothes underoos. ;D
I like that....I like that a lot
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I like that....I like that a lot
Amusingly enough even the thread starter- bigbobs real life friend Ag2 agreed with ND that Levrone is better. :-X
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boom!!! embrace the future...
(http://www.bodyfreaks.com/photoplog/images/1/1_754rb0514.jpg)
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A better comparison would be Flex Vs Kevin. That's a tough one, who do you guys think was better?
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What about this lineup!!!! who's the greatest!?
(http://www.evenementenverhuurzwolle.nl/Nieuwe_map/Beertje%20Paddington.JPG)(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/48606984_0bdcf290fa.jpg)(http://www.am.dodea.edu/bragg/Murray/Images/care%20bear.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/weggie01/GRIZLY-BEAR.gif)
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but yet that's exactly what you are doing.
ND and myself posted stats from their entire careers..... heads up, top 5's. top 3's, wins. every possible comparison of the two.
You just want to focus on Nassers 3 peak years and call that a fair comparison of the two.
Why don't you just start a thread "who's better...Kevin or Nasser on days that Nasser finished ahead of him, everything else doesn't count?"
you are a douche
Wrong, my original take was to compare the two of them at their best (imo both were at their best in the mid to late 90's). I started posting about the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat in response to you basing the whole discussion contest history alone - not only that but contest history throughout the entire career rather than focusing on prime years. Since then ND has only been posting about contest results as well.
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Because THEY were better, you love and blindness for Nasser's ballsack clouds your judgement...
Dillett had better shape and fullness, width and was more of uber-freak. Chris had better shape, fullness, back, and detail.
BTW he says, "Please be gentle while shaving his ball wrinkles...it hurts"
too bad when they stood together, pictures disagree (and contest placings since some here really focus on that :))
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Wrong, my original take was to compare the two of them at their best (imo both were at their best in the mid to late 90's). I started posting about the top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows stat in response to you basing the whole discussion contest history alone - not only that but contest history throughout the entire career rather than focusing on prime years. Since then ND has only been posting about contest results as well.
again you don't even know Kevin's best years and Nasser said his best year was 1997 a year in which Kevin beat him SEVEN out of EIGHT times and this was NOT Kevin's best year either
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again you don't even know Kevin's best years and Nasser said his best year was 1997 a year in which Kevin beat him SEVEN out of EIGHT times and this was NOT Kevin's best year either
When did Nasser say 97 was his best year? 97 was the year he placed highest at the Olympia, but the 97 O was hardly his best shape. He was better at the 97 AC, the 96 Olympia and GP shows, and some others. Levrone never beat him at the 97 AC or Olympia either, only the GP shows as Nasser didn't stay in as great shape after the 97 O as he did in 96 and other years. I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."
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When did Nasser say 97 was his best year? 97 was the year he placed highest at the Olympia, but the 97 O was hardly his best shape. He was better at the 97 AC, the 96 Olympia and GP shows, and some others. Levrone never beat him at the 97 AC or Olympia either, only the GP shows as Nasser didn't stay in as great shape after the 97 O as he did in 96 and other years. I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."
Flex Magazine Oct 2004
RANT! Nasser hates stupid questions
NASSER EL SONBATY hasn't been happy with his placings at bodybuilding shows of late. In May, EI Sonbaty, who once was accustomed to top-tier placings, finished 15th at the Night Of Champions. He's hoping to rectify that at the GNC Show of Strength this fall.
In the meantime, he had a few definitive statements to make. "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. But judges should judge in the present, not in the past. They should only compare competitors to other competitors onstage at that competition, not to the way bodybuilders have looked in the past."
On the subject of when he plans to retire, EI Sonbaty is anything but near retiring. "I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know." Other subjects to avoid with him include how many chicken breasts he eats and how much he bench presses. You've been warned.
"I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997.
his own words
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Flex Magazine Oct 2004
RANT! Nasser hates stupid questions
NASSER EL SONBATY hasn't been happy with his placings at bodybuilding shows of late. In May, EI Sonbaty, who once was accustomed to top-tier placings, finished 15th at the Night Of Champions. He's hoping to rectify that at the GNC Show of Strength this fall.
In the meantime, he had a few definitive statements to make. "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. But judges should judge in the present, not in the past. They should only compare competitors to other competitors onstage at that competition, not to the way bodybuilders have looked in the past."
On the subject of when he plans to retire, EI Sonbaty is anything but near retiring. "I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know." Other subjects to avoid with him include how many chicken breasts he eats and how much he bench presses. You've been warned.
"I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997.
his own words
Interesting, however he definitely did not say his best ever look was at the 97 GP shows which you're referring to. He beat Kevin at the Olympia and (AC?) that year (not sure if Levrone was in that show) but would have lost anyway as Nasser was stronger at the 97 AC than 97 Olympia. In contrast Nasser beat Levrone in every single 96 Grand Prix show (and I think 98 too?) - so not sure why you're trying to say that he was at his best at the 97 GP shows.
Also not sure if he was referring to his best placing (97 Olympia) or his best showing - Flex mag has a way of misinterpreting at times. I could see him saying 97 was his best placing. I place more reliance on what Nasser said to me in person (he didnt say 97 Olympia was his best showing, nor did he say it wasn't when I asked him), than what Flex claims he told them.
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Interesting, however he definitely did not say his best ever look was at the 97 GP shows which you're referring to. He beat Kevin at the Olympia and (AC?) that year (not sure if Levrone was in that show) but would have lost anyway as Nasser was stronger at the 97 AC than 97 Olympia. In contrast Nasser beat Levrone in every single 96 Grand Prix show (and I think 98 too?) - so not sure why you're trying to say that he was at his best at the 97 GP shows.
Also not sure if he was referring to his best placing (97 Olympia) or his best showing - Flex mag has a way of misinterpreting at times. I could see him saying 97 was his best placing. I place more reliance on what Nasser said to me in person (he didnt say 97 Olympia was his best showing, nor did he say it wasn't when I asked him), than what Flex claims he told them.
Interesting, however he definitely did not say his best ever look was at the 97 GP shows which you're referring to. He beat Kevin at the Olympia and (AC?) that year (not sure if Levrone was in that show) but would have lost anyway as Nasser was stronger at the 97 AC than 97 Olympia. In contrast Nasser beat Levrone in every single 96 Grand Prix show (and I think 98 too?) - so not sure why you're trying to say that he was at his best at the 97 GP shows.
Flex beat him at the Arnold Classic , Kevin didn't compete and it doesn't matter if he didn't look his absolute best at the Grand Prix's Kevin beat him 7 out of 8 times in a year he proclaimed he was at his best , never specified a show just a year
Also not sure if he was referring to his best placing (97 Olympia) or his best showing - Flex mag has a way of misinterpreting at times. I could see him saying 97 was his best placing. I place more reliance on what Nasser said to me in person (he didnt say 97 Olympia was his best showing, nor did he say it wasn't when I asked him), than what Flex claims he told them.
Oh Flex gets things wrong lmao his own words and not even Kevin's best and he just destroyed him contest in and contest out , many consider 97 Nasser's best he looked awesome that year either way Kevin still beat him a LOT that year
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Flex Magazine Oct 2004
RANT! Nasser hates stupid questions
NASSER EL SONBATY hasn't been happy with his placings at bodybuilding shows of late. In May, EI Sonbaty, who once was accustomed to top-tier placings, finished 15th at the Night Of Champions. He's hoping to rectify that at the GNC Show of Strength this fall.
In the meantime, he had a few definitive statements to make. "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. But judges should judge in the present, not in the past. They should only compare competitors to other competitors onstage at that competition, not to the way bodybuilders have looked in the past."
On the subject of when he plans to retire, EI Sonbaty is anything but near retiring. "I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know." Other subjects to avoid with him include how many chicken breasts he eats and how much he bench presses. You've been warned.
"I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997.
his own words
so what?? after mr. olympia 96 dorian mentioned in flex magazine also that he looked better than his shape of 95!!.. now after a lot of years he has changed his mind..
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so what?? after mr. olympia 96 dorian mentioned in flex magazine also that he looked better than his shape of 95!!.. now after a lot of years he has changed his mind..
I think in certain areas of his physique he looked better but he's said as well as many experts 1995 was his best showing along with 1993 , every year after a contest a guy says he was better than the next year but when at the end of their careers they have time to think it through
are you saying Nasser changed his mind? I mean this was 2004 he said this and a lot of experts agree 1997 is his best , it doesn't matter because Kevin beat him a HELL of a lot more than Nasser beat him ;D
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Flex beat him at the Arnold Classic , Kevin didn't compete and it doesn't matter if he didn't look his absolute best at the Grand Prix's Kevin beat him 7 out of 8 times in a year he proclaimed he was at his best , never specified a show just a year
Oh Flex gets things wrong lmao his own words and not even Kevin's best and he just destroyed him contest in and contest out , many consider 97 Nasser's best he looked awesome that year either way Kevin still beat him a LOT that year
OMG ND your desperation knows no bounds, now you're playing with semantics to try to suggest that Nasser himself feels his best showings were during the 97 GP shows even though he placed 1st in many 96 GP shows and placed ahead of Levrone in every show that year. ::)
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so what?? after mr. olympia 96 dorian mentioned in flex magazine also that he looked better than his shape of 95!!.. now after a lot of years he has changed his mind..
hahaha, brutal ownage of ND!!
I think in certain areas of his physique he looked better but he's said as well as many experts 1995 was his best showing along with 1993 , every year after a contest a guy says he was better than the next year but when at the end of their careers they have time to think it through
::) ::) ::)
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me today in my home gym (without worming up) ;D
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OMG ND your desperation knows no bounds, now you're playing with semantics to try to suggest that Nasser himself feels his best showings were during the 97 GP shows even though he placed 1st in many 96 GP shows and placed ahead of Levrone in every show that year. ::)
Nasser's own words "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. how am I playing semantics? I never said he was at his best at the GPs I said it doesn't matter because he lost a LOT to Kevin that year , a year in which HE suggested was his best .
perhaps 1996 was his best he won a few shows and looked good , it certainly wasn't Kevins ;)
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me today in my home gym (without worming up) ;D
Impressive Sheriff nice bi's that towel needs washing ;)
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hahaha, brutal ownage of ND!!
::) ::) ::)
That's what you call brutal ownage? like your ill-issued meltdown please some back when you have something of value to offer
and Ronnie said 1999 he was better than 1998 , at the close of career he said on multiple occasions he was much better in 1998 which ironically many experts feel was his best Olympia showing
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me today in my home gym (without worming up) ;D
How tall are you?
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Impressive Sheriff nice bi's that towel needs washing ;)
although i washed it last year >:(................ ;D
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How tall are you?
171 cm ;D
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although i washed it last year >:(................ ;D
LMAO nice job
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me today in my home gym (without worming up) ;D
Wow! Amazing front double biceps shot Sherief! Showing great improvements and definitely the best natural physique on getbig!
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me today in my home gym (without worming up) ;D
where do you keep your backpack full of dynamite?
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and Ronnie said 1999 he was better than 1998 , at the close of career he said on multiple occasions he was much better in 1998 which ironically many experts feel was his best Olympia showing
Just reinforces the point that because Flex mag reports a pro that claims a certain show was their best isn't always their final opinion ;) Nasser's most recent claim (to me) was that he was unsure of which was his best showing, and hinted that it may be one of his Arnold Classic or 96 shows.
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Just reinforces the point that because Flex mag reports a pro that claims a certain show was their best isn't always their final opinion ;) Nasser's most recent claim (to me) was that he was unsure of which was his best showing, and hinted that it may be one of his Arnold Classic or 96 shows.
Okay let me know when he says it's NOT 1997 ;) until then we'll stick with that. I personally think he looked better around 250 pounds his waist was svelte and his back was much better at his first pro win at 268 pounds
still means nothing because 1996 wasn't Kevin's best year ;)
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Wow! Amazing front double biceps shot Sherief! Showing great improvements and definitely the best natural physique on getbig!
many thx bro. i train good these days and i am expecting to look much better than this by the end of the year..
yes like nasser my FDB is great 8) (just kidding)
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where do you keep your backpack full of dynamite?
in your mother's big ass :-X
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Discuss.
I vote Kevin but Nasser's a good person!!!
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Nasser's own words "I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997.
Using nassers own words to prove bobs wrong...that's gotta hurt. :o :o
Bobs is like a dying animal trying to muster up what little defense he has left and failing.
Precision shooting by ND as always.
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Using nassers own words to prove bobs wrong...that's gotta hurt. :o :o
Bobs is like a dying animal trying to muster up what little defense he has left and failing.
Precision shooting by ND as always.
actually you are like a dying dog who is trying to survive after being humiliated and exposed many times by team nasser :P :P
ND used nasser's words to show that nasser believes his best was at mr. olympia 97 and not at other shows as bobs had said!!.. so how come to consider this as proving bobs wrong you asshole!!.. it’s all about opinions, bobs said his own opinion which may not be the same as nasser’s own opinion.. I too agree with bobs that nasser had better shows than the Olympia 97.. so what mr. stupid? :-\..
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nasser is good....
but kevin is a lot better...
built better..no amount of size can change that
kevin wins
Kevins whole lower body was weak in comparison to nasser’s.. nasser’s quads, hams, and calves were all clearly better and bigger than kevins..
As for the upper body both had weaknesses,.. nasser’s lacked details in his back although he had a good size and width in this area while on the contrary Kevin had a well detailed back (still not like flex wheeler or shawn ray) but needed a thicker and bigger one to go with his massive arms and shoulders.. this is why his lats always looked relatively small from the front (like flex wheeler).. kevin also needed a bigger and wider chest, you always see his arms and shoulders oversizing his chest in the MM pose.. on the other hand nasser’s chest was massive and sick and went very good with his massive big shoulders and arms.. another weakness in levrone is his biceps, from the front it looked flat and lacked definitions, I made a thread before showing that even dorian’s biceps (of course the untorn one) looked better than kevin’s from the front..
imo when bother were a their best nasser had a better and more complete phsique and his fan base at its best was bigger than kevin’s at anytime in his career.. sure kevin deserved to be mr. Olympia (in 2000 and 2002) but he was never a popular choice to be mr. Olympia the same way as nasser was in 1996 and 1997.. but career wise sure kevin had a better one as he won more titles and stayed in the top 6 of mr. olympia for more years!!..
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Sure, Nasser was really popular back in the day but so was Kevin. Both of these guys were fan favorites so comparing them at that genre is hard and pointless.
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LOL, I noticed "Paul and Chris" too - the fact that he even mentions their names up there shows his biased love for Blacks.
And of course ND (who I am sure doesn’t agree with this assholness) didn’t comment.. he comments only against nasser!
I can understand that some ppl consider Kevin better than nasser for being from the top guys for a longer time but to see that dillett or cormier were better than nasser is a clear ignorance!!.. both of them were great but were always considered as the 2nd level top guys.. neither of them was close to be mr. Olympia as nasser or Kevin or shawn and neither of them was close to beat nasser in his best year!.. here we can say it was not even close, nasser won more shows, had much bigger fan base, and beat both of them so many times.. in nasser’s top years some one like cormier was not even called in the pre-judging to be compared with nasser!!..
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Sure, Nasser was really popular back in the day but so was Kevin. Both of these guys were fan favorites so comparing them at that genre is hard and pointless.
i agree that kevin was/is/and will always be popular, i too am one of his fans but in all fairness his popularity never ever reached nasser's in 1995-1998.. during these years no one came close to nasser's or dorian's popularities!
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Wrong. No one cares about nasser apart from the musclebear loving schmoes. The only people who bring him up on this board is you and bobs. Nasser never reached the popularity of Levrone,Yates,Wheeler,Coleman etc. Look at any bodybuilding board. He's hardly even mentioned as often as the others. He spent very few years in the limelight and faded into obscurity. He was removed from the ASC winners list when he begged for a free plane ticket and accomodation and was turned down.
He is now known for his lifestyle videos and worn clothing offered to schmoes. That is nassers legacy - a candle that flared brightly for a brief moment only to sputter out gradually. All he has left are his excuses and bitter memories.
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too bad when they stood together, pictures disagree (and contest placings since some here really focus on that :))
The one pic, which shows Paul not fully in the pose ::), and you keep posting the same pic, so obviously that's the only pic you can find...Paul was, is and always will be the better bodybuilder. Better shape, size, and detail, hell, he had better bodyparts that Nasser... Nasser was just a big dude, get it thru your thick skull, the only real arab that was good was Samir Bannout and Ahmad Haider, other than that...
Man, I didn't think Love could be this blind, but your love for Nasser is borders on stupidity.
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Wrong. No one cares about nasser apart from the musclebear loving schmoes. The only people who bring him up on this board is you and bobs. Nasser never reached the popularity of Levrone,Yates,Wheeler,Coleman etc. Look at any bodybuilding board. He's hardly even mentioned as often as the others. He spent very few years in the limelight and faded into obscurity. He was removed from the ASC winners list when he begged for a free plane ticket and accomodation and was turned down.
He is now known for his lifestyle videos and worn clothing offered to schmoes. That is nassers legacy - a candle that flared brightly for a brief moment only to sputter out gradually. All he has left are his excuses and bitter memories.
understand what i write before commenting like an asshole!!.. in 2002 for example sure kevin's popularity was bigger than nasser because he was mr. olympia’s runner up and was the guy who made Ronnie looked bad.. but back in the day in the 90s nasser reached something Kevin never reached (even in 2002 or so)..
gimmick + stupid = pathetic :-\
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The one pic, which shows Paul not fully in the pose ::), and you keep posting the same pic, so obviously that's the only pic you can find...Paul was, is and always will be the better bodybuilder. Better shape, size, and detail, hell, he had better bodyparts that Nasser... Nasser was just a big dude, get it thru your thick skull, the only real arab that was good was Samir Bannout and Ahmad Haider, other than that...
Man, I didn't think Love could be this blind, but your love for Nasser is borders on stupidity.
sorry to say that but to see dillett a better bb than nasser you are the blind guy here!!.. dillet was close to his best at mr. o. 96, can i post pic. of him beside nasser from that contest?? :-\
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understand what i write before commenting like an asshole!!.. in 2002 for example sure kevin's popularity was bigger than nasser because he was mr. olympia’s runner up and was the guy who made Ronnie looked bad.. but back in the day in the 90s nasser reached something Kevin never reached (even in 2002 or so)..
gimmick + stupid = pathetic :-\
Understand this retard - overall Nasser never reached the popularity that Flex/Levrone/Yates had.
Back in the day Nasser never had the popularity that Levrone or Ray enjoyed. He was just a blip - nothing more.
Gimmick+ muslim = uneducated closet homo :-*
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Understand this retard - overall Nasser never reached the popularity that Flex/Levrone/Yates had.
Back in the day Nasser never had the popularity that Levrone or Ray enjoyed. He was just a blip - nothing more.
Gimmick+ muslim = uneducated closet homo :-*
i always call you "humiliated gimmick" because your stupidity, N83, &, i exposed most of your gimmicks many times.. if you have one proof i am a gimmick why dont you say it at least to take revenge?!.. i believe you claimed before that you had proofs i was a gimmick but you didnt want to mention them to have some "more fun".. mmm ok, i am sure now after being exposed by me more than once it’s the right time to expose me with proofs as you claimed :-\..
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I don't get this whole Nasser thing, but it's amazing how post counts jump tremendously when he is mentioned in a thread....I'm just gonna start putting Nasser's name on all my threads that I start from now on to juice up interest ;)
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i always call you "humiliated gimmick" because your stupidity, N83, &, i exposed most of your gimmicks many times.. if you have one proof i am a gimmick why dont you say it at least to take revenge?!.. i believe you claimed before that you had proofs i was a gimmick but you didnt want to mention them to have some "more fun".. mmm ok, i am sure now after being exposed by me more than once it’s the right time to expose me with proofs as you claimed :-\..
What proofs? A few random words here and there? I can do the same linking you with several people you retard. When I pointed out your similarities with sharma you vanished immediately.
Nice try gimmick but you were tagged and bagged a long time ago.
To reiterate what I've said before
It may interest you to know that I was posting here around the time DL was. Ron showed DL's duplicate account. If I was him my name would have been revealed as well. Don't take my word for it. Check for yourself. My registration date is there along with the last posts made by DL.
Now to get back to the real topic at hand
So far ND has successfully proved that Kevin is a greater bodybuilder than nasser and since then bigbobs has been trotting out one excuse after another in an attempt to cover up the fact that he had been soundly beaten on all points.
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The important thing to remember here is NASSER IS A COCK
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The important thing to remember here is NASSER IS A COCK
Why else do you think sha-labia is always passionately defending nassholio? Sha-labia loves the cock. :D
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this thread is just one big LevrOWNING
i get the impression that only those of middle eastern descent prefer nasser
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What proofs? A few random words here and there? I can do the same linking you with several people you retard. When I pointed out your similarities with sharma you vanished immediately.
Nice try gimmick but you were tagged and bagged a long time ago.
To reiterate what I've said before
It may interest you to know that I was posting here around the time DL was. Ron showed DL's duplicate account. If I was him my name would have been revealed as well. Don't take my word for it. Check for yourself. My registration date is there along with the last posts made by DL.
Now to get back to the real topic at hand
So far ND has successfully proved that Kevin is a greater bodybuilder than nasser and since then bigbobs has been trotting out one excuse after another in an attempt to cover up the fact that he had been soundly beaten on all points.
ok pleeeaaaase link me to ONLY ONE here who writes exactly as me and not to SEVERAL PPl as you are claiming!!.. still cant??.. so what??.. failed again and owned by your our stupidity? so what.. this is the normal :-\ :P..
both sharma and i are members in team nasser so we must share something in common you asshole.. dont use your mind because it will lead you to more humiliation as always,.. just show the proofs you claimed :-\
I am sure you are dl/barracuda/nizar/staplon and you are sure I am sure (no need to talk about the pm you sent to me after I exposed you for the 1ST time) :P.. you are just trying to defend yourself like a whore to convince others that your have no gimmicks but don’t worry no one here cares about you and your gimmicks.. by the way the fact that you keep defending yourself like this itself proves and confirms more that you have gimmicks :-X
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The important thing to remember here is NASSER IS A COCK
and that you are a PUSSY :-X
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ok pleeeaaaase link me to ONLY ONE here who writes exactly as me and not to SEVERAL PPl as you are claiming!!.. still cant??.. so what??.. failed again and owned by your our stupidity? so what.. this is the normal :-\ :P..
both sharma and i are members in team nasser so we must share something in common you asshole.. dont use your mind because it will lead you to more humiliation as always,.. just show the proofs you claimed :-\
I am sure you are dl/barracuda/nizar/staplon and you are sure I am sure (no need to talk about the pm you sent to me after I exposed you for the 1ST time) :P.. you are just trying to defend yourself like a whore to convince others that your have no gimmicks but don’t worry no one here cares about you and your gimmicks.. by the way the fact that you keep defending yourself like this itself proves and confirms more that you have gimmicks :-X
Are you done sobbing about your gimmick use?
Why don't you go get molested at the mosque like you normally do.
This thread is about Kevin Vs Nasser not about your conspiracy theories. Go cry somewhere else retard
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actually you are like a dying dog who is trying to survive after being humiliated and exposed many times by team nasser :P :P
ND used nasser's words to show that nasser believes his best was at mr. olympia 97 and not at other shows as bobs had said!!.. so how come to consider this as proving bobs wrong you asshole!!.. it’s all about opinions, bobs said his own opinion which may not be the same as nasser’s own opinion.. I too agree with bobs that nasser had better shows than the Olympia 97.. so what mr. stupid? :-\..
NO don't presume to speak for Nasser he states his best ever look was 1997 he never specified a contest although Kevin kicked his ass for most of the year it's logical to assume it was the Olympia which kinda sucks because at his presumed best he lost to Dorian at his absolute worse lol which goes to show you he would stand absolutely NO chance at his best ;)
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NO don't presume to speak for Nasser he states his best ever look was 1997 he never specified a contest although Kevin kicked his ass for most of the year it's logical to assume it was the Olympia which kinda sucks because at his presumed best he lost to Dorian at his absolute worse lol which goes to show you he would stand absolutely NO chance at his best ;)
So to summarize ND = Dorrain at his worst still beats Nasser at his best?
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So to summarize ND = Dorrain at his worst still beats Nasser at his best?
Right ;D and Kevin is a much greater all time bodybuilder than Nasser
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This is a great comparison sheet. Worth repeating for the people who don't want to read the whole thread.
One of the best nasser ownings
Kevin Levrone Nasser El Sonbaty
62 Professional contests entered 53 Professional contests entered
20 Professional contests won 6 Professional contests won
win/loss ratio 32% win/loss ratio of just 11%
year turned pro 1992 year turned pro 1990
first pro win 1992 first pro win 1995
Number of times Kevin beat Nasser 25 Number of times Nasser beat Kevin 10
Number of runner-up places 18 Number of runner-up places 11
Number of third places 12 Number of third places 13
lowest contest placing 8th lowest contest placing did not place in 1992 ( 15th )
last contest placing 3rd last contest placing 14th
Kevin is in a whole other league compared to Nasser , he won his first pro contest as soon as he turned pro , Nasser took 5 years to win his first show. Kevin place second in his first Olympia showing , Nasser's first O he placed 7th and it took him 7 years to place second in an Olympia .
Not only is Kevin a much more competitive and dominating bodybuilder throughout his career but when directly faced to Nasser he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him in fact well over double 25 vs 10
Kevin is leaps & bounds better than Nasser like I said before it's not even open for discussion who is considered the greater bodybuilder between the two
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This is a great comparison sheet. Worth repeating for the people who don't want to read the whole thread.
One of the best nasser ownings
Team Nasser wont recover ;D
Nasser playing following Kevin's lead
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Team Nasser wont recover ;D
Nasser playing following Kevin's lead
Nasser - forever doomed to follow not lead.
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Nasser - forever doomed to follow not lead.
Ouch :-X but facts are facts , Levrone is eons better
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Ouch :-X but facts are facts , Levrone is eons better
Is that Nasser looking at kevin's ass?
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Is that Nasser looking at kevin's ass?
He's wondering how much Kev get's for his :-X
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Is that Nasser looking at kevin's ass?
That depends on which eyeball you're talking about
He's wondering how much Kev get's for his sports memorabilia :-X
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That depends on which eyeball you're talking about
;D
lmfao he's merely doing as a service to his loyal schmoes fans
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I wonder how long it will be before Team Nasser makes a Nasser vs. Ken Jones thread. They might be able to make some headway, there.
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I wonder how long it will be before Team Nasser makes a Nasser vs. Ken Jones thread. They might be able to make some headway, there.
LMAO they might win that one
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That depends on which eyeball you're talking about
;D
I think it was the good eye maybe Sheriff can clarify it?
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NO don't presume to speak for Nasser he states his best ever look was 1997 he never specified a contest although Kevin kicked his ass for most of the year it's logical to assume it was the Olympia which kinda sucks because at his presumed best he lost to Dorian at his absolute worse lol which goes to show you he would stand absolutely NO chance at his best ;)
nasser at mr. olympia 97 looked great and deserved to win hands down as we said thousands of times before and as you personally believe (aside of the judges decsison).. all what bobs or I said is that nasser had better shows were he was bigger and fuller and still in the same good condition!..
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nasser at mr. olympia 97 looked great and deserved to win hands down as we said thousands of times before and as you personally believe (aside of the judges decsison).. all what bobs or I said is that nasser had better shows were he was bigger and fuller and still in the same good condition!..
Sheriff did you wash that towel yet on your barbell?
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nasser at mr. olympia 97 looked great and deserved to win hands down as we said thousands of times before and as you personally believe (aside of the judges decsison).. all what bobs or I said is that nasser had better shows were he was bigger and fuller and still in the same good condition!..
I never said Nasser deserved to beat Dorian , I said Dorian deserved to lose however I could fully understand on how they chose Dorian , Nasser needed to knock the champ out and he never got the job done.
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Team Nasser wont recover ;D
Nasser playing following Kevin's lead
where is kevin's abs :-\.. nasser is bigger and still has the better abs :P
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Sheriff did you wash that towel yet on your barbell?
not until it's totally black :-X
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where is kevin's abs :-\.. nasser is bigger and still has the better abs :P
Saladtosser, how short tall are you ?
your neck is barely above the bar in that pic.
Did Al-Qaeda choose you because you can fit inside a wicker basket with some dynamite? :D :D
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not until it's totally black :-X
Fantastic dont wash it until then good call ;)
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Is that Nasser looking at kevin's ass?
he is looking at kevin's ass only if you want him to look ;D
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Saladtosser, how short tall are you ?
your neck is barely above the bar in that pic.
Did Al-Qaeda choose you because you can fit inside a wicker basket with some dynamite? :D :D
If you had good eyes you would know that I was about to do a squats set so the bar was raised to the highest possible level!!.. you can say this from the CLEAN towel around the bar and from the reversed position of the rack’s heads ::)
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If you had good eyes you would know that I was about to do a squats set so the bar was raised to the highest possible level!!.. you can say this from the CLEAN towel around the bar and from the reversed position of the rack’s heads ::)
Cool you washed the towel :D
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Cool you washed the towel :D
not in my lifetime :P
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Just got clarification from the Man himself on the Flex quoting him as saying that 97 was his best year. Copying and pasting an excerpt from an email that NASSER sent me today on the subject:
"There is a slight misinterpretation from FLEX magazine about what I had said regarding my best showing.
I was discussing Jim Manion's opinion when I said that I am being compared with my best which is what Manion - obviously - thinks was the 1997 " O ". Because Manion almost never, except once went to Europe for one of the European Tours. So he has NOT seen ALL my shows and again, I do not think that 1997 was my best. I was better in 1996, also fuller and bigger in the Euro shows. For Manion however 1997 was " nasser's " best because he could witness personally how Yates looked bad next to me."
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If you had good eyes you would know that I was about to do a squats set so the bar was raised to the highest possible level!!.. you can say this from the CLEAN towel around the bar and from the reversed position of the rack’s heads ::)
YOU HAVE A WEAK CHEST AND A FAT STOMACH!!!!!!!!!!!
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YOU HAVE A WEAK CHEST AND A FAT STOMACH!!!!!!!!!!!
booohhahahhahahahaaaaaa. ..... without considering me cocky i am sure my abs (even now) is better than 95% of all of you guys..
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booohhahahhahahahaaaaaa...... without considering me cocky i am sure my abs (even now) is better than 95% of all of you guys..
That's what Arnold said to Mentzer at the 1980 O...if you didn't have your head exclusively up Nasser's ass you would have known that :D :D
PS it's easy to have abs when you are 145 lbs...you ball-licking leprechaun :D :D
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Just got clarification from the Man himself on the Flex quoting him as saying that 97 was his best year. Copying and pasting an excerpt from an email that NASSER sent me today on the subject:
"There is a slight misinterpretation from FLEX magazine about what I had said regarding my best showing.
I was discussing Jim Manion's opinion when I said that I am being compared with my best which is what Manion - obviously - thinks was the 1997 " O ". Because Manion almost never, except once went to Europe for one of the European Tours. So he has NOT seen ALL my shows and again, I do not think that 1997 was my best. I was better in 1996, also fuller and bigger in the Euro shows. For Manion however 1997 was " nasser's " best because he could witness personally how Yates looked bad next to me."
always great to know the truth from the wizard of truth himself 8)
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That's what Arnold said to Mentzer at the 1980 O...if you didn't have your head exclusively up Nasser's ass you would have known that :D :D
lol so i was one year old when he said that!.. i was still not following bb in these days so didnt know :-X
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always great to know the truth from the wizard of truth himself 8)
If Nasser is the wizard of truth...why doesn't he own up to his obvious synthol use and stop insulting our intelligence with that retarded site injection BS?
and why does he blatantly LIE on his homofest of a website and have himself placing third at the 96 O when he was OFFICIALLY disqualified?
Not very truthful
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That's what Arnold said to Mentzer at the 1980 O...if you didn't have your head exclusively up Nasser's ass you would have known that :D :D
PS it's easy to have abs when you are 145 lbs...you ball-licking leprechaun :D :D
i am 165-170 and not 145 you asshole.. for my tall this is not bad..
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Saladtosser, how short tall are you ?
your neck is barely above the bar in that pic.
Did Al-Qaeda choose you because you can fit inside a wicker basket with some dynamite? :D :D
yes they once asked me to hide in your mother's ass with some bombs to explode them as soon as she entered a bus :-X
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Just got clarification from the Man himself on the Flex quoting him as saying that 97 was his best year. Copying and pasting an excerpt from an email that NASSER sent me today on the subject:
"There is a slight misinterpretation from FLEX magazine about what I had said regarding my best showing.
I was discussing Jim Manion's opinion when I said that I am being compared with my best which is what Manion - obviously - thinks was the 1997 " O ". Because Manion almost never, except once went to Europe for one of the European Tours. So he has NOT seen ALL my shows and again, I do not think that 1997 was my best. I was better in 1996, also fuller and bigger in the Euro shows. For Manion however 1997 was " nasser's " best because he could witness personally how Yates looked bad next to me."
That makes zero sense I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. how did they misinterpret that this was not actually his words but someone else? I think I'M being unfairly compared to MY best-ever look of 1997 he was discussing someone else opinion on his personal best but just happened to leave this person out , this makes sense to you?
that explanation doesn't make much sense but whatever if he feels he was better in 96 who cares ??? because Dorian make him look bad next to him at the Olympia and three Grand Prixs ;) and it still wasn't Kevin's best year
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What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."
Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment
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What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."
Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment
Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser. ;)
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Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser. ;)
All the sudden Nasser get's clear ONLY after I post a quote ??? and his words weren't really his words but Jim Manions , that explanation makes zero sense as did Nasser's explanation that all pros uses Synthol yet he never did
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All the sudden Nasser get's clear ONLY after I post a quote ??? and his words weren't really his words but Jim Manions , that explanation makes zero sense as did Nasser's explanation that all pros uses Synthol yet he never did
Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... ;)
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Smells Fishy! Hell, there's always something rotten in the state of Denmark Team Nasser. ;)
i prefer macbeth :-X
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Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... ;)
I heard through the grapevine that several contestants were wearing Nasser used thongs at Atlantic City :D
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Yeah, yeah. And Nasser doesn't sell soiled thongs! Oh, wait! He does!? I....ur...well, he's only giving the fans what they want. He's a people person, is our Nasser. Noble man, Wizard of Truth...boilerplate attributes... ;)
Yeah they fought tooth & nail he didn't sell used trunks but folded when someone posted the proof then spun it as he's doing a service for his fans ::)
Flex magazine misquoted him on what his best year was m he was acting as Jim Manion when he said his best year was 1997
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Yeah they fought tooth & nail he didn't sell used trunks but folded when someone posted the proof then spun it as he's doing a service for his fans ::)
Flex magazine misquoted him on what his best year was m he was acting as Jim Manion when he said his best year was 1997
97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.
But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).
And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).
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Kevins whole lower body was weak in comparison to nasser’s.. nasser’s quads, hams, and calves were all clearly better and bigger than kevins..
As for the upper body both had weaknesses,.. nasser’s lacked details in his back although he had a good size and width in this area while on the contrary Kevin had a well detailed back (still not like flex wheeler or shawn ray) but needed a thicker and bigger one to go with his massive arms and shoulders.. this is why his lats always looked relatively small from the front (like flex wheeler).. kevin also needed a bigger and wider chest, you always see his arms and shoulders oversizing his chest in the MM pose.. on the other hand nasser’s chest was massive and sick and went very good with his massive big shoulders and arms.. another weakness in levrone is his biceps, from the front it looked flat and lacked definitions, I made a thread before showing that even dorian’s biceps (of course the untorn one) looked better than kevin’s from the front..
imo when bother were a their best nasser had a better and more complete phsique and his fan base at its best was bigger than kevin’s at anytime in his career.. sure kevin deserved to be mr. Olympia (in 2000 and 2002) but he was never a popular choice to be mr. Olympia the same way as nasser was in 1996 and 1997.. but career wise sure kevin had a better one as he won more titles and stayed in the top 6 of mr. olympia for more years!!..
this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..
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97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.
But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).
And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).
Great post ! I've said before a lot of people maintain 97 was his best Nasser did too apparently until a few posts ago then somehow it wasn't him stating that it was Manion using the terms " I'm " and " My "
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this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..
Sheriff can we get a better pic? Quality is bad
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Great post ! I've said before a lot of people maintain 97 was his best Nasser did too apparently until a few posts ago then somehow it wasn't him stating that it was Manion using the terms " I'm " and " My "
i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..
dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..
by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..
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Sheriff can we get a better pic? Quality is bad
no we cant because it was taken from a video!
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but still it's good enough to see how narrow kevin's torso was in comparison to his arms.. also in comparison to Nasser who was more proportional..
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but still it's good enough to see how narrow kevin's torso was in comparison to his arms.. also in comparison to Nasser who was more proportional..
Sheriff I guess I'll have to agree with on this one clearly from the bad pics Nasser is best.
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Sheriff I guess I'll have to agree with on this one clearly from the bad pics Nasser is best.
good pics are good for all and bad pics. are bad for all!!..
unless kevin too doent look good in pics. and you have to see him in reality ::)
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this pic. perfectly shows how levrone needed a wider and bigger torso to go with his massive shoulders and arms as i mentioned above and how nasser had a massive wide torso that fit his huge arms and shoulders.. from the small part we can see of their lower bodies we can say how nasser's quads were bigger and more detailed..
Did he need that when he beat Nasser 25 times?
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i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..
dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..
by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..
Nasser was better than Dorian in some poses in 1997 but the judges thought Dorian was better
and Dorian changed his mind at the conclusion of his career NOT after someone on a message board posted a quote in which he said wasn't even him
most of the judges at most contests decided Kevin was better than Nasser that's old news
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Did he need that when he beat Nasser 25 times?
man no need to keep saying this because we all agree than kevin beat nasser more and won more pro. shows and was among the best for a longer period.. when i say nasser's body is more proportional because he didnt have one part oversizing the other i am expecting you to comment on this saying for example that you dont agree and that you see something else.. but what is the point to keep mentioning a fact we all know!!..
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97 was his best year. In 94, he placed 7th and wasn't a factor in the contest at all. In 95, he improved a lot after moving to the states, put on some size and got 3rd at the Olympia. In 96, he was 280 and huge, but blocky and wasn't in his 95 condition, not to mention he was disqualified. In 97, the Olympia reports say that he dropped 10 lb and came in at 270 lb, which improved his taper and conditioning, which is why he was 2nd - his best shape ever.
But he started slipping again from 98 on. Sure he won the AC in 99 (shallow field compared to the Olympias) and competed in the AC in 97 and 98 too, but lost them to Flex Wheeler who was dialled in. Flex wouldn't have beaten Nasser in the 97 and 98 AC if Nasser was in his 97 Olympia shape. And in the 97 Grand Prix shows, Nasser was nearly the same as he was in the Olympia a few days earlier, but Kevin improved a whole lot, which is why he beat him in all the contests. Ronnie improved too and beat Kevin and the rest of the lineup in the last contest (the Russian Grand Prix).
And it wasn't racism either, cause each of those Grand Prix shows were judged by a different panel of judges, all of whom picked Kevin as the winner for the first 6 (and Ronnie for the 7th).
and how do you see nasser "blocky" at mr. o. 96??.. i can call fux or marcus naturally blocky but nasser was huge and still symmetrical with fantastic abs.. what is your definition of "blocky" when we talk about bb??.. and to be a parrot for one time (sorry ND) the experts of flex magazine wrote that nasser was bigger and better at mr. olympia 96 than 95!!..
plz answer honestly, dont you think dorian was blocky in 97??..
check this pic. to know that nasser was better at mr. o. 96 than 97.. bigger, fuller and even more cut..
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man no need to keep saying this because we all agree than kevin beat nasser more and won more pro. shows and was among the best for a longer period.. when i say nasser's body is more proportional because he didnt have one part oversizing the other i am expecting you to comment on this saying for example that you dont agree and that you see something else.. but what is the point to keep mentioning a fact we all know!!..
No there is a perfect need to say it you keep insisting Kevin needs something compared to Nasser and he doesn't , he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him despite what you say he's lacking
Nasser does have good balance but his main flaws in this area are a long torso and short legs and his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps and his back was severely lacking in proportionate size & thickness for the rest of his physique , he had good width but that doesn't compensate , which is why he never won the big one
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No there is a perfect need to say it you keep insisting Kevin needs something compared to Nasser and he doesn't , he beat him much more than Nasser ever beat him despite what you say he's lacking
Nasser doesn't have good balance but his main flaws in this area are a long torso and short legs and his forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps and his back was severely lacking in proportionate size & thickness for the rest of his physique , he had good width but that doesn't compensate , which is why he never won the big one
what was wroing with nasser's forearms??.. it was not like dorian's but was not bad at all and went good with his arms.. in his comparison with levrone, the later too didnt have teremendous forearms, just good (as nasser's).. check the pic. again..
so you see that nasser's torso was long for his legs and dont see how skinny and long kevin's neck was!!..
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and how do you see nasser "blocky" at mr. o. 96??.. i can call fux or marcus naturally blocky but nasser was huge and still symmetrical with fantastic abs.. what is your definition of "blocky" when we talk about bb??.. and to be a parrot for one time (sorry ND) the experts of flex magazine wrote that nasser was bigger and better at mr. olympia 96 than 95!!..
plz answer honestly, dont you think dorian was blocky in 97??..
check this pic. to know that nasser was better at mr. o. 96 than 97.. bigger, fuller and even more cut..
Blocky not as in as "bad" as Marcus, but compared to his 97 Mr Olympia shape. In 97, he was 10 lb lighter, with a smaller waist and greater quad sweep, which made him look better in all of the mandatories. And I'm speaking relatively - comparing his 96 shape to his 97 shape. I personally think he looked better (sharper) in 95 than he did in 96. 96 he was massive, but didn't look as impressive as he did in 97.
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what was wroing with nasser's forearms??.. it was not like dorian's but was not bad at all and went good with his arms.. in his comparison with levrone, the later too didnt have teremendous forearms, just good (as nasser's).. check the pic. again..
so you see that nasser's torso was long for his legs and dont see how skinny and long kevin's neck was!!..
Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck
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Blocky not as in as "bad" as Marcus, but compared to his 97 Mr Olympia shape. In 97, he was 10 lb lighter, with a smaller waist and greater quad sweep, which made him look better in all of the mandatories. And I'm speaking relatively - comparing his 96 shape to his 97 shape. I personally think he looked better (sharper) in 95 than he did in 96. 96 he was massive, but didn't look as impressive as he did in 97.
what was wrong with his quad sweep in 96 ::).. his quads were as sharp in 96 as 95 if not sharper although they were bigger.. you can check some pics on mucletime if you want..
you still didnt answer my question,.. dont you think dorian was "blocky" in 97??..
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what was wrong with his quad sweep in 96 ::).. his quads were as sharp in 96 as 95 if not sharper although they were bigger.. you can check some pics on mucletime if you want..
you still didnt answer my question,.. dont you think dorian was "blocky" in 97??..
There is nothing wrong with his quad sweep or shape in 96. I'm saying he looks better in 97 cause his sweep was bigger then, while his waist was smaller. And yes, Dorian was blocky in 97 compared to his best shape (95 Olympia) - no question.
I'd like to see his mandatory poses from 96 compared side by side with those of his 97 shape - I saw it ages ago in some thread and the difference was quite impressive.
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Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck
::).. so how do you see shawn ray's forearms or ronnie's forearms or kevin's??.. they all had just good forearms, same as nasser.. non one of them had outstanding forearms like lee priest or dorian or to a lesser degree flex wheeler..
can you answer this,.. dont you think that dorian's great forearms went against him because they killed the proportion with his relatively weak upper arms??.. or you notice these things only when it comes to nasser ::)
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hey ND,.. dont you think that kevin too has relatively short legs??.. why have you noticed nasser's case only??.. :P
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There is nothing wrong with his quad sweep or shape in 96. I'm saying he looks better in 97 cause his sweep was bigger then, while his waist was smaller. And yes, Dorian was blocky in 97 compared to his best shape (95 Olympia) - no question.
I'd like to see his mandatory poses from 96 compared side by side with those of his 97 shape - I saw it ages ago in some thread and the difference was quite impressive.
sure dorian was a big block in 97 and what made him look even more blocky than his reality was his weak small arms.. this exposed his blocky torso more.. in 95 he was great and deserved to win IMO but he was still more blocky than nasser!!.. note i am not saying he was blocky in 95, i am saying he was just more blocky than nasser who was bigger than him but still with a smaller waist and sharper abs..
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Kevin and Dorian clearly beating Nasser. :P Nasser was always holding to much water and bloated, of course that's why he never placed very well. Plus as soon as he turns around, "No back Nasser", proves that he was just a "2nd tier" bodybuilder. ;)
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hey ND,.. dont you think that kevin too has relatively short legs??.. why have you noticed nasser's case only??.. :P
You act like you discovered a new planet YES Kevin has a long torso and short legs too and I have said this before ( old news ) ask first before you presume ;)
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::).. so how do you see shawn ray's forearms or ronnie's forearms or kevin's??.. they all had just good forearms, same as nasser.. non one of them had outstanding forearms like lee priest or dorian or to a lesser degree flex wheeler..
can you answer this,.. dont you think that dorian's great forearms went against him because they killed the proportion with his relatively weak upper arms??.. or you notice these things only when it comes to nasser ::)
Why do you always deflect to anyone else when I question Nasser ? if you ask I'll tell you I've said many times Ronnie's forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( again old news ) you're hypersensitive to Nasser
Dorian's at his best ( pay attention to this at his best ) Arms were in better balance & proportion than all above mentioned , stop trying to escape Nasser's flaws on the subject of Nasser
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Kevin and Dorian clearly beating Nasser. :P Nasser was always holding to much water and bloated, of course that's why he never placed very well. Plus as soon as he turns around, "No back Nasser", proves that he was just a "2nd tier" bodybuilder. ;)
What's funny is they're both the exact same weight in 1997 and Dorian looks much bigger in that shot
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You act like you discovered a new planet YES Kevin has a long torso and short legs too and I have said this before ( old news ) ask first before you presume ;)
really??.. so why didnt you mention it again here when comparing nasser with kevin?.. you were mentioning nasser's weak points in a certain area in comparison to kevin so if you were neutral you had to mention kevin's same weakness too..
it's funny to use a certain weakness in nasser to show he was worse than kevin while the later had the exact same thing ::)
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Why do you always deflect to anyone else when I question Nasser ? if you ask I'll tell you I've said many times Ronnie's forearms aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps ( again old news ) you're hypersensitive to Nasser
Dorian's at his best ( pay attention to this at his best ) Arms were in better balance & proportion than all above mentioned , stop trying to escape Nasser's flaws on the subject of Nasser
frankly speaking i dont see nasser's forearms bad.. they were not outstanding but still went very good with his upper arm.. and here we are talking about nasser and kevin who both had big upper arms, do you really believe that kevin's forearms were anything special in comparison to nasser's??.. i dont think so..
in other words why do you keep mentioning nasser's "weak points" in this thread and dont mention kevin's weak points except after i mention them like my parrot (just kidding here) :P..
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really??.. so why didnt you mention it again here when comparing nasser with kevin?.. you were mentioning nasser's weak points in a certain area in comparison to kevin so if you were neutral you had to mention kevin's same weakness too..
it's funny to use a certain weakness in nasser to show he was worse than kevin while the later had the exact same thing ::)
NO ONE asked to mention Kevin's weaknesses and it's a moot point because despite them he routinely beat Nasser , and you mentioned Kevin's lack torso thickness ( much like Nasser's lack of a back ) and I've said many times before you got two versions of Kevin the smaller harder & ripped one or the bigger softer one he could never really maintain the balance between the two
and the weakness is relative to who you're competing with , if everyone has shit calves than guess what how much of a weakness is it? you have to take all this into consideration
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Nasser's forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps they suck
i can easily use your WRONG WAY to post certain pictures to prove that nasser's forearm was better than dorian (which is not true)!!..
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i can easily use your WRONG WAY to post certain pictures to prove that nasser's forearm was better than dorian (which is not true)!!..
my ' wrong way ' ::) spare me how is this pic a wrong way? these forearms are NOT in proportion with his biceps & triceps and I said Dorian AT HIS BEST 1996 was NOT his best
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frankly speaking i dont see nasser's forearms bad.. they were not outstanding but still went very good with his upper arm.. and here we are talking about nasser and kevin who both had big upper arms, do you really believe that kevin's forearms were anything special in comparison to nasser's??.. i dont think so..
in other words why do you keep mentioning nasser's "weak points" in this thread and dont mention kevin's weak points except after i mention them like my parrot (just kidding here) :P..
You see a lt of things that contradict reality nothing new , they did NOT match his biceps & triceps ! Kevin had the same problem to an extent but no one is claiming everything was in proportion for Kevin
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my ' wrong way ' ::) spare me how is this pic a wrong way? these forearms are NOT in proportion with his biceps & triceps and I said Dorian AT HIS BEST 1996 was NOT his best
so you see that in 96 dorian's arm was not proportinal :o..
lol even in 95 his left arm was not..
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You see a lt of things that contradict reality nothing new , they did NOT match his biceps & triceps ! Kevin had the same problem to an extent but no one is claiming everything was in proportion for Kevin
ok so can you make a fair comparison between nasser's physique at his best and kevin's at his best mentioning the strong and weak points of each of them??..
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so you see that in 96 dorian's arm was not proportinal :o..
lol even in 95 his left arm was not..
Again did you miss AT HIS BEST ? and do you think having on bicep shorter than the other effects the rest of his balance & proportion? how does this effect his torso length? leg length? upper & lower balance , lots to consider when talking balance & proportion .
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What's funny is they're both the exact same weight in 1997 and Dorian looks much bigger in that shot
Very true my friend. You have been crushing Sherif, poor guy has very little knowledge of bodybuilding. What's funny is, the guy is about 5'1 140 pounds. ;D
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That makes zero sense I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. how did they misinterpret that this was not actually his words but someone else? I think I'M being unfairly compared to MY best-ever look of 1997 he was discussing someone else opinion on his personal best but just happened to leave this person out , this makes sense to you?
that explanation doesn't make much sense but whatever if he feels he was better in 96 who cares ??? because Dorian make him look bad next to him at the Olympia and three Grand Prixs ;) and it still wasn't Kevin's best year
Sure that makes sense. He's saying that Manion (who has influence over judging/contest placings) believes Nasser's best was the 97 Olympia, and therefore in 2004 Nasser gets unfairly compared to his 97 shape (by Manion) rather than simply being compared to other bodybuilders onstage that day.
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What's funny is you just recently spoke with Nasser on the topic and he never committed to a definitive answer , your quote I recently asked Nasser what he thinks his best showing was and he was a bit unsure but did not say "97 Olympia."
Now you're saying you just spoke to him again and it wasn't his words but Manions saying his best-ever look was 1997 , something smells fishy there Bobs , he was unsure ' recently ' but somehow after my post he decided to comment
I emailed him a reference to Flex's quote a few days ago and pasted his reply to it - what's so "fishy" there? ::)
About a year ago I asked him on the phone what his best show was and he didnt give a definite answer.
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i dont know what is the problem now!!.. nasser looked great at mr. olympia 97 and definitely it was one of his very best shows.. but imo he was a little better at other shows.. still this has nothing to do with the fact that he was much better than dorian on that day of mr. o. 97..
dorian himself changed his mind as i mentioned before and nothing bad in this too!!..
by the way it's not right to compare mr. olympia's results with GP results with AC results simply because each contest has its own judges and in bb there is no ONE RULE to judge accordingly.. it's not who is stronger as in weightlifting or who is faster as in running it's who is better and better is not a chainable thing according to each judges mind!!..
Also the Olympia is the big show where everyone tries to peak for, and as the GP shows are held over the next few weeks they are largely a test of which competitors can stay closest to their peak for an extended period of time after the big show. In 96 Nasser did this better than in 97, and hence his repeated wins over Levrone.
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Nasser had so many weakpoints. His back of course was the worst. Every MR.OLYMPIA had a great back. There is no way we can throw NASSER into that category. Nasser was more a "2nd tier" bodybuilder. The judges did a great job, and Dorian was ALWAYS better than Nasser, same with Kevin and Flex, and of course Shawn. Nasser is very bitter and jealous. :D
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I emailed him a reference to Flex's quote a few days ago and pasted his reply to it - what's so "fishy" there? ::)
About a year ago I asked him on the phone what his best show was and he didnt give a definite answer.
What's fishy? are you kidding me? he says that the quote isn't even him speaking it's Manion and you ask what's fishy? and you asked him recently but he gave you no definitive answer but now after I posted that quote , all the sudden we get an ' answer ' and you're asking what's fishy lol
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One of them was guess who?
Kevin 4 times runner up for Mr Olympia
Nasser 1 time runner up
Kevin 3rd place winner at the Olympia 3
Nasser 3rd place winner at the Olympia 1
Shall I continue?
LOL ;D Team Nasser back to the drawing board.
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Also the Olympia is the big show where everyone tries to peak for, and as the GP shows are held over the next few weeks they are largely a test of which competitors can stay closest to their peak for an extended period of time after the big show. In 96 Nasser did this better than in 97, and hence his repeated wins over Levrone.
Hence the same logic applies in reverse Levrone was off hence Nasser beat him , 1996 wasn't Kevin's best BTW ;)
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Nasser had so many weakpoints. His back of course was the worst. Every MR.OLYMPIA had a great back. There is no way we can throw NASSER into that category. Nasser was more a "2nd tier" bodybuilder. The judges did a great job, and Dorian was ALWAYS better than Nasser, same with Kevin and Flex, and of course Shawn. Nasser is very bitter and jealous. :D
i am so sure you are that asshole bigD and bigK who had nothing to do better than posting some stupid pics. about team nasser.. pathetic and of course STUPID :-\
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What's fishy? are you kidding me? he says that the quote isn't even him speaking it's Manion and you ask what's fishy? and you asked him recently but he gave you no definitive answer but now after I posted that quote , all the sudden we get an ' answer ' and you're asking what's fishy lol
Why is it that you're the only guy who I always have to explain things in so much detail to?
Anyway, no he did NOT say the quote was not him speaking lol. Nasser spoke and in his quote was referring to Manion's opinion of what his best showing was (since he was referring to judging decisions and Manion has influence over them). Also, he still didn't give a definite answer over what his best show was, just indicated that it was not 97 Olympia, and hinted that it may be 96.
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Levrone is, was and always will be better than Nassoil. No synthol, no rabid homo bois defending him, no selling homo underwear online.
Nasser is a disgrace.
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Levrone is, was and always will be better than Nassoil. No synthol, no rabid homo bois defending him, no selling homo underwear online.
Nasser is a disgrace.
anyone have any idea how many underwear Nasser sells per month?..how much does he charge for each?..whats he pulling down per year for this?..I find it amazing that people would actually buy someone's shitty underwear
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;) Nasser as "2nd tier" as they come. 8)
(http://www.schwarzeneggerlookalike.com/images/nasser.jpg)
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Kevin OWNS Natser the filthy in this pic.
It's like comparing a Tow Truck to a Ferrari
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296193.0;attach=338695;image)
Nasser was a bigger man, but had a very unsophisticated build, just size for sizes sake. he should have been a piano mover.
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Kevin OWNS Natser the filthy in this pic.
It's like comparing a Tow Truck to a Ferrari
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296193.0;attach=338695;image)
Nasser was a bigger man, but had a very unsophisticated build, just size for sizes sake. he should have been a piano mover.
unsophisticated?
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Why is it that you're the only guy who I always have to explain things in so much detail to?
Anyway, no he did NOT say the quote was not him speaking lol. Nasser spoke and in his quote was referring to Manion's opinion of what his best showing was (since he was referring to judging decisions and Manion has influence over them). Also, he still didn't give a definite answer over what his best show was, just indicated that it was not 97 Olympia, and hinted that it may be 96.
Why is it that you're the only guy who I always have to explain things in so much detail to?
because I'm the only one who calls you on your bullshit ;)
Again does this make sense to you? I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. he's trying to say it's not him saying this but Manion ? he made absolutely NO mention of Manion and his influence but now he is?
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ND has raped bob the schmoe every way possible in this thread
bob, just give up and cry yourself to sleep in a pile of nasser's soiled manties
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Yeah they all swore up and down he didn't sell them lol and then boom he's doing his fans a service :-X
This guy just stole a bunch of Nassers soiled thongs, the authorities need be alerted especially Sheriff
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because I'm the only one who calls you on your bullshit ;)
Again does this make sense to you? I think I'm being unfairly compared to my best-ever look of 1997. he's trying to say it's not him saying this but Manion ? he made absolutely NO mention of Manion and his influence but now he is?
You talk as though you heard Nasser word for word or as though Flex mag played a tape-recording of exactly what he said word for word. He talked to the Flex reporter for probably at least 5 mins, and he later highlighted a few of Nasser's sentences in his words for the article. So yes it does make sense to me that there was a misinterpretation or misunderstanding of words.
There was even another getbigger here who wrote to Flex mag in the late 90's and later said some of what he said was changed around and exaggerated when they published his letter.
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anyone have any idea how many underwear Nasser sells per month?..how much does he charge for each?..whats he pulling down per year for this?..I find it amazing that people would actually buy someone's shitty underwear
Quite a bit apparently, so much that he has to stock up like here: :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235423;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235425;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235426;image)
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HA!..funny :D
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Quite a bit apparently, so much that he has to stock up like here: :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235423;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235425;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202288.0;attach=235426;image)
HA HA HA - damn funny post Bobs - :D :D :D
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You talk as though you heard Nasser word for word or as though Flex mag played a tape-recording of exactly what he said word for word. He talked to the Flex reporter for probably at least 5 mins, and he later highlighted a few of Nasser's sentences in his words for the article. So yes it does make sense to me that there was a misinterpretation or misunderstanding of words.
There was even another getbigger here who wrote to Flex mag in the late 90's and later said some of what he said was changed around and exaggerated when they published his letter.
he highlighted a few of NASSER"S sentences , key word Nasser's sentences , and when pressed he now claims the reporter got it wrong and it was actually Manion's opinion he was stating sounds like a bunch of nonsense
And the judges obviously felt his best Olympia showing was 1997 hence they gave him second place behind Dorian
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So was 1997 the best for Kevin or Nasser ? I'm confused ???
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he highlighted a few of NASSER"S sentences , key word Nasser's sentences , and when pressed he now claims the reporter got it wrong and it was actually Manion's opinion he was stating sounds like a bunch of nonsense
And the judges obviously felt his best Olympia showing was 1997 hence they gave him second place behind Dorian
You do not know word for word what Nasser said as you are implying. Like I said, even an independent getbigger claimed that Flex did not properly describe his "sentences" when he wrote a letter to the magazine in the late 90's, so this would not be a first and it is not unreasonable that there was a misinterpretation in Nasser's interview.
and lol that he is being "pressed" now, I simply emailed and asked him about it and he could have simply told me that he believes 97 was his best but the truth is he didn't. He has no incentive to lie to me about what he feels his best year was.
HA HA HA - damn funny post Bobs - :D :D :D
Actually credit is due to Nasser, not me....he got those pictures taken purposely to share a laugh with getbiggers :D
So was 1997 the best for Kevin or Nasser ? I'm confused ???
I can't comment on whether it was best for Kevin or not, but I know it was not for Nasser, and Nasesr himself does not believe 97 is his best.
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You do not know word for word what Nasser said as you are implying. Like I said, even an independent getbigger claimed that Flex did not properly describe his "sentences" when he wrote a letter to the magazine in the late 90's, so this would not be a first and it is not unreasonable that there was a misinterpretation in Nasser's interview.
Actually credit is due to Nasser, not me....he got those pictures taken purposely to share a laugh with getbiggers :D
I can't comment on whether it was best for Kevin or not, but I know it was not for Nasser, and Nasesr himself does not believe 97 is his best.
You do not know word for word what Nasser said as you are implying. Like I said, even an independent getbigger claimed that Flex did not properly describe his "sentences" when he wrote a letter to the magazine in the late 90's, so this would not be a first and it is not unreasonable that there was a misinterpretation in Nasser's interview.
NO all I'm going by is what Flex quote HIM on. and of course if a reader sends in a letter they streamline it for space constraints people tend to ramble
and question is this misconstrued as well? or did Flex get that right and only his best ever claim wrong?
"I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know."
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NO all I'm going by is what Flex quote HIM on. and of course if a reader sends in a letter they streamline it for space constraints people tend to ramble
and question is this misconstrued as well? or did Flex get that right and only his best ever claim wrong?
"I'm tired of being asked that stupid question. I don't know. Do you know when you're going to retire? Or when you're going to die? Or when you're going to have children? When I know I'm going to retire, I'll announce it, but until then, I don't know."
He probably said something along those lines - whether or not the quote is word for word I'm not sure but would not be surprised if it was not.
And Flex did not "streamline" the letter - the getbigger claimed that they added to it, and added that he claimed to be Nasser's "greatest fan" when he simply said he was a fan.
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He probably said something along those lines - whether or not the quote is word for word I'm not sure but would not be surprised if it was not.
And Flex did not "streamline" the letter - the getbigger claimed that they added to it, and added that he claimed to be Nasser's "greatest fan" when he simply said he was a fan.
This is proof of what? they're liars? it's not a coincidence that many people feel 1997 was his best and it could be argued his best Olympia showing hence the ONLY runner-up spot he ever received but again who cares Kevin kicked his ass most of his career anyway so keep arguing of semantics
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both of them were close to their best at mr. olympia 95 so i think this is a fair comparison!!..
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both of them were close to their best at mr. olympia 95 so i think this is a fair comparison!!..
Okay it's a fair comparison , hey by the way where did each place that year? ???
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Okay it's a fair comparison , hey by the way where did each place that year? ???
again i was not expecting this reply from you :-\...
according to you we MUST agree with any decision judges make!!.. not strange to hear this from some one who personally feel nasser was better than dorian in 97 but also see that dorian deserved to win because THE JUDGES placed him fisrt!!.. ::)
fyi there were judges also in 81, 82, 2000, 2001, 2002, &, 2007!!..
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again i was not expecting this reply from you :-\...
according to you we MUST agree with any decision judges make!!.. not strange to hear this from some one who personally feel nasser was better than dorian in 97 but also see that dorian deserved to win because THE JUDGES placed him fisrt!!.. ::)
fyi there were judges also in 81, 82, 2000, 2001, 2002, &, 2007!!..
I never once said Nasser was better than Dorian in 1997 with the exception of a couple of poses .
FYI there were judges in everyone of Nasser's wins , that means his contests were fixed as well , you can't have it both ways
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I never once said Nasser was better than Dorian in 1997 with the exception of a couple of poses .
FYI there were judges in everyone of Nasser's wins , that means his contests were fixed as well , you can't have it both ways
no you said that your own opinion, nasser was better but understood why the judges made dorian win!!..
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by them pics I have kevin winning in the side chest, structurely better there. and in the back double bi, slightly better detail, nasser takes the rest
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by them pics I have kevin winning in the side chest, structurely better there. and in the back double bi, slightly better detail, nasser takes the rest
kevin was just hitting the side chest better than nasser but still nasser had a thicker chest and a better lower body so i think he was better in this pose too.. i give kevin the 2 rear poses..
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no you said that your own opinion, nasser was better but understood why the judges made dorian win!!..
Stop trying to speak for me I never said he was better , in some poses yes ...overall I said Dorian should have lost but Nasser didn't beat him
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Stop trying to speak for me I never said he was better , in some poses yes ...overall I said Dorian should have lost but Nasser didn't beat him
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The important thing to remember here is Nasser is...........ahhhhhh, nevermind.
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The important thing to remember here is Nasser is...........ahhhhhh, nevermind.
the more important thing to remeber here is nasser is NASSER EL SONBATY while you are..................... .... ahhhhhh, nevermind :-X
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the more important thing to remeber here is nasser is NASSER EL SONBATY while you are..................... .... ahhhhhh, nevermind :-X
I'm a 5'11" 250 lb beast.
And Iv'e never taken a steroid in my life...You fucking microscopic............a hhhhhhh, nevermind. ;D
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I'm a 5'11" 250 lb beast.
And Iv'e never taken a steroid in my life...You fucking microscopic............a hhhhhhh, nevermind. ;D
if you lose your bodyfat your will be lighter than me ;D
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if you lose your bodyfat your will be lighter than me ;D
Sheriff you need to clean up your kitchen before Nasser get there.
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Sheriff you need to clean up your kitchen before Nasser get there.
ok i will clean it but i wont wash that towel :-X
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ok i will clean it but i wont wash that towel :-X
LMAO ;D