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They used to call Dexter Jackson a poor man's Shawn Ray.
My question to you guy is in their respective prime, who was better and why?
Discuss...
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Dex
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Shawn Ray has very round muscle bellies. At their best IMO Shawn still looks better but Dexter would kill him in a show with the physique he's shown the last 3 years.
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shawn ray is a star, he had the glamour, as did, kevin and flex.....
dex is good, but will never be seen in thr same light.
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Shawn
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More Shawn
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They used to call Dexter Jackson a poor man's Shawn Ray.
My question to you guy is in their respective prime, who was better and why?
Discuss...
very close but over all i think shawn had a better shape, still dex at his best would beat shawn at his best because of his bigger size!!.. IMO dex is better in the FDB, FLS, and, SC.. shawn is better in the 2 rear poses and the abs/thighs.. I am not sure about the ST!..
anyway this thread needed some comparison pics >:(
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very close but over all i think shawn had a better shape, still dex at his best would beat shawn at his best because of his bigger size!!.. IMO dex is better in the FDB, FLS, and, SC.. shawn is better in the 2 rear poses and the abs/thighs.. I am not sure about the ST!..
anyway this thread needed some comparison pics >:(
That's your domain Shalaby. Try and provide some comparison pics, but before you do, you have to choose the right years (Shawn's BEST vs. Dexter's BEST)..
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Shawn just plain old looks better in every way!
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They used to call Dexter Jackson a poor man's Shawn Ray.
My question to you guy is in their respective prime, who was better and why?
Discuss...
Well Dex won the title. But for some reason I like Shawn Ray better.
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That's your domain Shalaby. Try and provide some comparison pics, but before you do, you have to choose the right years (Shawn's BEST vs. Dexter's BEST)..
you mean shawn at mr. o 94 or 96 and dex at mr. o 2008?? or they had better shows??..
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That isn't Nasser
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Shawn Ray is ten times better than dexter jackson. Shawn actually has detail all over his body, as opposed to dex, who just has striated shoulders and for some reason this is thought of as being "ripped" all over. Dex has no lower body detail, no arm detail, no great back detail, decent ab detail, and decent chest detail. Shawn was ripped everywhere, had the illusion of being bigger than he was, and had a much more classic looking physique. dex looks like he has taken a lot of hgh and slin.
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dex has never equalled this in his entire career.
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you guys are on drugs or have shit in your eyes.
Dex is way better than ray was.
in every area, and overall. (ok maybe shawn had him in calves).
shawn's FDB looked crap, his waist and thighs blocky, arms nowhere near Dex's, and front lat spread and overall sweep not even in the same league as Dex.
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Both great physiques. Too bad we will never see them both onstage together at their all time best.
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Shawn was better. Especially the abs.
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shawn
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that pic is crazy,,,,,,,, :o :o :o :o :o
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sorry but a getbig thread on dex can not be complete without......
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Shawn Ray one of the best bb'ers of all time...
...of all time.
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Hmm lots of discussing "professional bodybuilding" in this thread. Might have to report it.
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What does ND think?
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What does ND think?
the opposite of what I think. ;)
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Shawn Ray looked the best. Out of the two, most would probably want to look like Shawn. Shawn had more polish and presentation. He has in opinion, the best abs in bbing, look at his serratus and intercostals. Shawn's arms to me could have been bigger, to match his lower body. Great back and traps. Plus, he is one of the few that can pull a vacuum, not even Melvin Anthony, when he won his pro card could do a vacuum, and his waist was tiny. Shawn and Dex did compete together, back in 99-2002. They were about the same weight as well. Dex is heavier and has that freak factor, Shawn has a more classical flow to him.
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Shawn Should have won at least one Olympia.
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I think Shawn looked his ABSOLUTE best in 92. And Dex looked his last year in the O.
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dexter never looked like this....
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dexter never looked like this....
I just didn't like the song. 92's was better.
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I just didn't like the song. 92's was better.
dorian was better too in 92
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dorian was better too in 92
Actually he was. Smaller but more cut. Sometimes I think the lighting made them all look great. I don't know what I did with my 92 O tape but I miss it. Vince once again (one eye and all) stole the show!!!
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Shawn= Perfect shape, great condition everywhere, great Symmetry, great proportions & NO missing body parts.
Dexter= good shape, great condition (except tris), good symmetry, good proportions & 1 Missing body parts (calves)
Shawn is a bit taller and has smaller waistline while Dexter has at max 2-4 pounds more than him.
The winner for me is SHAWN RAY .. ;)
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Shawn= Perfect shape, great condition everywhere, great Symmetry, great proportions & NO missing body parts.
Dexter= good shape, great condition (except tris), good symmetry, good proportions & 1 Missing body parts (calves)
Shawn is a bit taller and has smaller waistline while Dexter has at max 2-4 pounds more than him.
The winner for me is SHAWN RAY .. ;)
one clear weakness on dex also is his relatively high lats from the front, his abs looks so long in the abs/thighs pose!!..
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Shawn= Perfect shape, great condition everywhere, great Symmetry, great proportions & NO missing body parts.
Dexter= good shape, great condition (except tris), good symmetry, good proportions & 1 Missing body parts (calves)
Shawn is a bit taller and has smaller waistline while Dexter has at max 2-4 pounds more than him.
The winner for me is SHAWN RAY .. ;)
You still post here? Long time no see, hows it going man?
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Shawn Ray on account of superior hardness through the front of his thighs and his better calves. Both guys have great physiques.
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dex rule!
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shawn looks better
Better question
Whos the bigger douche.
Shawn wins that too
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Shawn also has better tranny development... from the rear ;D
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Shawn is alot thicker and Dexter has synthol. Game over Dex.
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LOL...Shawn was a bigger douche in his prime...Dexter isn't a douche he was more of an asshole to certain people.
Shawn was a "look at me" kinda fella. Dex is a "what can you do for me" guy.
Shawn seems to be cured...retirement can do that. I've never had any problems with Dex personally. Cool dude, laid back brotha from the dirty south.
Although I don't condone the woman beating if that's true.
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Shawn Ray wins this one all day long !!, i would go as far as saying that if shawn had been a couple of inches taller he would've won multiple olympias. One of the best complete bodybuilders we'll ever see on stage. (JMO)
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shawn looks better
Better question
Whos the bigger douche.
Shawn wins that too
He's cool now. Well to me he is. But I hear rumors (Melvn) going the other way.
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gotta go with Shawn.
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Shawn Ray has very round muscle bellies.
Shawn makes Dex look like a cardboard cutout.
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They are from such different eras only although only about 10 years apart. Todays guys all have bigger delts and harder condition, i.e. Dez is much wider and has rounder better delt development and looks like granite next to Shawn. But Shawn is better put together and has calves. I would choose to look like Shawn, but he would look a tad small and a tad soft on today's stage. WHo knows though, Dexter would look a tad lacking in shape and finess next to the other 90s guys, hard to call!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310222.0;attach=350083;image)
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Both are were GREAT.
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They are from such different eras only although only about 10 years apart. Todays guys all have bigger delts and harder condition, i.e. Dez is much wider and has rounder better delt development and looks like granite next to Shawn. But Shawn is better put together and has calves. I would choose to look like Shawn, but he would look a tad small and a tad soft on today's stage. WHo knows though, Dexter would look a tad lacking in shape and finess next to the other 90s guys, hard to call!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310222.0;attach=350083;image)
soft?? You're joking, right? This current era is known for being considerably softer and less conditioned than the era that shawn was so successful in. Do some research.
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Shawns pics are all lighting. Everyone looked good back then in that lighting, camera filter
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Dex is 40 this yr, a few yrs younger than Shawn. Shawn got his pro card in 1987, whereas Dex got his in 1998. a diff era, The Ronnie Era, this was when freaky size, at all costs, plus conditioning ruled. Dex, as much as the comparisons are with him and Flex, took the route of being highly conditioned and adding weight slowly. He was often overlook, just like Shawn was, and placed in the top 5 like Shawn. Where they deviate, is that Shawn had a "prettier" physique, and Dex the Freakier one, due to their respective eras and training. Shawn could have easily competed at 235, but he had to keep his legs in check, just look at them.
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shawn by a mile
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shawn by a mile
Dex's The Olympia win (Shawns long time goal) still makes it a sad argument. Thanks to Jay showing up off, Jackson obtained what Shawn and Flex have sought after for years.
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;)
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You still post here? Long time no see, hows it going man?
Hi Brother,
Yeah I am still here, I just went back from my vacation and I am fine.
Thanks for asking :)
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Dex's The Olympia win (Shawns long time goal) still makes it a sad argument. Thanks to Jay showing up off, Jackson obtained what Shawn and Flex have sought after for years.
dex won in a sad sad olympia era, look at the caliber of competition shawn went up against and then look at the caliber or dexter's...... no contest
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Dex's The Olympia win (Shawns long time goal) still makes it a sad argument. Thanks to Jay showing up off, Jackson obtained what Shawn and Flex have sought after for years.
Dorian showed up off, too, back in 1994 (with a torn bicep, no less). The difference seems to be that the judges let the defending champion keep his title, despite showing up waterlogged then.
Whereas in 2008, Jay showed up bloated and paid dearly for it.
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dexter is a very good bodybuilder but shawn is among the tip top of all time.
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dexter is a very good bodybuilder but shawn is among the tip top of all time.
qft,,,,
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soft?? You're joking, right? This current era is known for being considerably softer and less conditioned than the era that shawn was so successful in. Do some research.
Hmm, well Dex is famous for his hardness and condition. Shawn famously looked much less hard than Dorian. I'm not saying Dex would look as hard as Dorian either, but I think Dex is harder, his hams and glutes are more stragniterized. Maybe even more than hardness it's the dryness. 90s guys may have looked better in lots of ways, but today's guys sure take the "shrivelled prune" dryness to pretty dangerous levels sometimes. Markus Ruhl even said he prefered BB back in the 90s cos today's BB is like a "drying out contest".
(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.heavyweights.net/bb/users/beeg/images/beeg11648.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEP3J2znJxbc6cIzMWMt2Jcg752Ew)
(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Dexter-Jackson-3.jpg&usg=AFQjCNH1TupnDZ3kAgNVpn2ha9dSUGSafQ)
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Shawn famously looked much less hard than Dorian.
not in the years he should have beaten dorian: 8)
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Dorian showed up off, too, back in 1994 (with a torn bicep, no less). The difference seems to be that the judges let the defending champion keep his title, despite showing up waterlogged then.
Whereas in 2008, Jay showed up bloated and paid dearly for it.
I am a Shawn Ray fan but feel Dex's win makes his carrer more productive. Sad but true.
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I am a Shawn Ray fan but feel Dex's win makes his carrer more productive. Sad but true.
Here is the thing, his career may have been more productive, but is he better? To me he is not. I mean is Dex better than Flex, because Dex won the Mr. O? Hell No.
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Ray looked perfect on his own. But in a world today where people say Heath is too narrow, what does that make Shawn Ray?
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Here is the thing, his career may have been more productive, but is he better? To me he is not. I mean is Dex better than Flex, because Dex won the Mr. O? Hell No.
Winning the title IS the best way to argue for yourself. Again, I am not a fan of Dex (though I gave him my props 2 seconds after his win last fall) but winning that title is what its all about. They all look good but someone has to win it. No one forced Flex or Shawn out of the game, they chose that route while Coleman and Dex stayed. So MAYBE Shawn and Ken would have won the title after Ronnie left. But like Barry Sanders, if you leave, the victor goes spoils.
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Ray looked perfect on his own. But in a world today where people say Heath is too narrow, what does that make Shawn Ray?
One thing that kept Shawn ahead of the game despite that weakness, is he knew how to expand his ribcage in his front double pose. No one can do that now. They hit the front douulbe like its an abs shot.
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Winning the title IS the best way to argue for yourself. Again, I am not a fan of Dex (though I gave him my props 2 seconds after his win last fall) but winning that title is what its all about. They all look good but someone has to win it. No one forced Flex or Shawn out of the game, they chose that route while Coleman and Dex stayed. So MAYBE Shawn and Ken would have won the title after Ronnie left. But like Barry Sanders, if you leave, the victor goes spoils.
Even without the Sandown Flex stands alone , Shawn's career wasn't spectacular he wasn't in Flex's league and as far as a competitive bodybuilder he wasn't in Dexter's either , physiques you can argue career's you can't.
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I am a Shawn Ray fan but feel Dex's win makes his carrer more productive. Sad but true.
true. but that was through circumstance alone.
Dex at his best could not come close to ray at his best:
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Even without the Sandown Flex stands alone , Shawn's career wasn't spectacular he wasn't in Flex's league and as far as a competitive bodybuilder he wasn't in Dexter's either , physiques you can argue career's you can't.
Flex stands alone at what ? A guy with a great physique who never won the O? WOW I'll just have him sit by Dan Marino, Barry Sanders and Charles Barkley while Dex can sit next to Joe Montana, Emmitt, and Kobe!!!!!!
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Flex stands alone at what ? A guy with a great physique who never won the O? WOW I'll just have him sit by Dan Marino, Barry Sanders and Charles Barkley while Dex can sit next to Joe Montana, Emmitt, and Kobe!!!!!!
LOL!
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Shawn's career wasn't spectacular
12 consecutive top 5 finishes at the Mr. O and and Arnold Classic win was not spectacular?
hello?
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he chased the O. he wasn't interested in all the little contests like Flex was.
so you can't just go by shear contest records on a page, much like you can't go simply by scorecards either.
you still have so much to learn... :-\
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12 consecutive top 5 finishes at the Mr. O and and Arnold Classic win was not spectacular?
hello?
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he chased the O. he wasn't interested in all the little contests like Flex was.
so you can't just go by shear contest records on a page, much like you can't go simply by scorecards either.
you still have so much to learn... :-\
Not true he was interested in the little shows and never did well in them hence why he put all his apples in one basket and failed
he was consistent sure , his career wasn't spectacular sorry slick 2 pro wins big deal , Dexter's career shits on his , physiques is another matter
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Flex stands alone at what ? A guy with a great physique who never won the O? WOW I'll just have him sit by Dan Marino, Barry Sanders and Charles Barkley while Dex can sit next to Joe Montana, Emmitt, and Kobe!!!!!!
Stands alone in terms of physique & career. he never won the big one , but he sure as fuck won a lot of major ones 4 Arnold Classics , 5 Ironmans , won four pro shows as a rookie and placed second in his first Olympia , in direct relation to Shawn Flex stands alone.
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Shawn looks better
Dex is better.
shawn, more complete, better lines
dex, more cut, more muscle
dex would win in a show, if swahn beats dex due to better structure, then ahmad haidar or ronnie rockel should be mr o. understand retard? ;D
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Dexter Jackson at 2009 Mr Olympia
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12 consecutive top 5 finishes at the Mr. O and and Arnold Classic win was not spectacular?
hello?
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he chased the O. he wasn't interested in all the little contests like Flex was.
so you can't just go by shear contest records on a page, much like you can't go simply by scorecards either.
you still have so much to learn... :-\
Again, shough he was great, he never accomplished THE GOAL. Close but no cigar.
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Shawn looks better
Dex is better.
shawn, more complete, better lines
dex, more cut, more muscle
dex would win in a show, if swahn beats dex due to better structure, then ahmad haidar or ronnie rockel should be mr o. understand retard? ;D
This is such a heated debate. One can go by physique (either at their beginning...their prime ...or at the end). One can go by titles. Some (like me ) go by winning THE TITLE. So there are no winners in this. Shawn was better overall but.....
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I am a Shawn Ray fan but feel Dex's win makes his carrer more productive. Sad but true.
If all Shawn had to do in his prime was face a veinless fridge by the name of Jay Gutler, then Shawn's career would have been 10 times more "productive" than Dexters. Look at the competition Shawn had to face. Look was Dexter had to face 15 years later. Incomparable.
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We'd all prefer to look like Shawn, we all know he's like the 3rd greatest guy never to win a Sandow after Levrone and Wheeler, and that all those 90s guys were probably better than the guys now. But still, like Labrada Shawn was small, anyone who gets dwarfed by Dexetr is pretty small right? And these days hardness and condition is king, and The Blade has Shawn's number on that. I think on TODAY'S STAGE Dexter would win. But on yesterday's stage Shawn would win, surely that's the only reasonable and rational conclusion? An Olympia now doesn't mean what a 2nd place meant 15 years ago. I think 12 top 5 finishes in the word is a pretty cool legacy, even if Vince taylor and Darrem Charles have more silverware. Everyone knows Shawn didn't enter much apart from the O, and he left a big mark on the sport whichever way you look at it.
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The only way to end this argument is if Shawn comes out of Retirement, gets to 215 and hard as fuck. And then go pose for pose with Dex.
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Not true he was interested in the little shows and never did well in them hence why he put all his apples in one basket and failed
bullshit he was interested in the little shows.
he stated many times he was only interested in winning the O.
and he should have in 1994 and arguably 96, but your boy was sucking off the judges and Uncle Joe..
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Shawn competed around 200lbs
Dex 230lbs, both look very good.
Cut, hard and great bodyparts minus dex calves.
Shawns legs looked a bit blocky and shawn look narrow
sometimes.
Dex win due to better GH/slin combos. 30lbs is hard to overlook.
Like comparing Frank Zane and Troy Alves, Troy win.
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Dexs physique is better than Shawns obviously.
But, Shawn has much charisma than Dex.
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Shawn was better AND he also had better competition during his career. Look at the crappy physiques that Dex has to compete against.
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bullshit he was interested in the little shows.
he stated many times he was only interested in winning the O.
and he should have in 1994 and arguably 96, but your boy was sucking off the judges and Uncle Joe..
Oh really? because he never competed in the Night of Champions 1988 which he came in 4th , Ironman 1990 which he won and again in 1996 where he placed 3rd , Arnold Classic 1990 which he was disqualified , and again in 1991 which he won , and again in 1996 where he placed 5th
Shawn competed in more than just the Olympia MORON try doing some research before you type and you run the risk of me making you looking like a fucking idiot once again.
Shawn for a while did put all his eggs in one basket and tried to win the big one and failed there too , as far as careers are concerned Dexter's career kills his by far
13 wins plus a Sandow kicks the shit out of two pro wins it's no contest , you can argue over physiques but careers isn't open for debate , Dexter > Shawn
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The only way to end this argument is if Shawn comes out of Retirement, gets to 215 and hard as fuck. And then go pose for pose with Dex.
Shawn's about 215 now. I think he's clean now, but then again he says he 's been clean since he pulled a Ben Johnson at the ASC in 1990. So once he goes back on Weider supplements he'll be a crisp 199 and place 7th at the O. Dex will get 2nd for sure.
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Shawn's about 215 now. I think he's clean now, but then again he says he 's been clean since he pulled a Ben Johnson at the ASC in 1990. So once he goes back on Weider supplements he'll be a crisp 199 and place 7th at the O. Dex will get 2nd for sure.
215 and fat is diff than 215 and in shape.
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Shawn competed around 200lbs
Dex 230lbs, both look very good.
Cut, hard and great bodyparts minus dex calves.
Shawns legs looked a bit blocky and shawn look narrow
sometimes.
Dex win due to better GH/slin combos. 30lbs is hard to overlook.
Like comparing Frank Zane and Troy Alves, Troy win.
bahahaa what nonsense
If you believe Dexter is 230 you are fooling yourself
at the 2006 ASC Branch Warren was told by Dexter that he weighed 206lbs
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We'd all prefer to look like Shawn, we all know he's like the 3rd greatest guy never to win a Sandow after Levrone and Wheeler, and that all those 90s guys were probably better than the guys now. But still, like Labrada Shawn was small, anyone who gets dwarfed by Dexetr is pretty small right? And these days hardness and condition is king, and The Blade has Shawn's number on that. I think on TODAY'S STAGE Dexter would win. But on yesterday's stage Shawn would win, surely that's the only reasonable and rational conclusion? An Olympia now doesn't mean what a 2nd place meant 15 years ago. I think 12 top 5 finishes in the word is a pretty cool legacy, even if Vince taylor and Darrem Charles have more silverware. Everyone knows Shawn didn't enter much apart from the O, and he left a big mark on the sport whichever way you look at it.
WHAT????????????????????? These days hardness and condition is king??????????? Are you insane??????? Everyone looks like a Bloated Lump of Playdo compared to guys from the 1990's.
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Shawn competed around 200lbs
Dex 230lbs, both look very good.
Cut, hard and great bodyparts minus dex calves.
Shawns legs looked a bit blocky and shawn look narrow
sometimes.
Dex win due to better GH/slin combos. 30lbs is hard to overlook.
Like comparing Frank Zane and Troy Alves, Troy win.
Dex is NOT 230. That is a FUCKING JOKE..... Dex is 205-210 at 5'5". Shawn was the SAME FUCKING weight at 5'6".
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Dexs physique is better than Shawns obviously.
But, Shawn has much charisma than Dex.
Obvious to you, not to the majority.
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Oh really? because he never competed in the Night of Champions 1988 which he came in 4th , Ironman 1990 which he won and again in 1996 where he placed 3rd , Arnold Classic 1990 which he was disqualified , and again in 1991 which he won , and again in 1996 where he placed 5th
Shawn competed in more than just the Olympia MORON try doing some research before you type and you run the risk of me making you looking like a fucking idiot once again.
Shawn for a while did put all his eggs in one basket and tried to win the big one and failed there too , as far as careers are concerned Dexter's career kills his by far
13 wins plus a Sandow kicks the shit out of two pro wins it's no contest , you can argue over physiques but careers isn't open for debate , Dexter > Shawn
WOW, you are leaving out so many variables it's incredible. So, because Shawn CHOSE to focus only on The Mr. Olympia (I don't think we should factor in 3 other shows in a span of 15 years), you have Dexter being > Shawn??? So what if Dexter won more competitions. He entered more competitions and look who he competed against and then look at Shawn's CONSISTENTLY STELLAR Mr. Olympia competitors.
If I would have started this thread based solely on who won more shows, it would have been a no brainer as to who WON MORE SHOWS. The question is who has the better physique? Could Dex beat Shawn when they competed? NO.
Shawn murders Dexter.
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Shawn was of a different time when smaller physiques were more popular so its hard to compare.
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Shawn was of a different time when smaller physiques were more popular so its hard to compare.
not to that extent.. the 2 of them competed against each other more than once!.. your grandpa agrees with me :-*
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WOW, you are leaving out so many variables it's incredible. So, because Shawn CHOSE to focus only on The Mr. Olympia (I don't think we should factor in 3 other shows in a span of 15 years), you have Dexter being > Shawn??? So what if Dexter won more competitions. He entered more competitions and look who he competed against and then look at Shawn's CONSISTENTLY STELLAR Mr. Olympia competitors.
If I would have started this thread based solely on who won more shows, it would have been a no brainer as to who WON MORE SHOWS. The question is who has the better physique? Could Dex beat Shawn when they competed? NO.
Shawn murders Dexter.
I ONLY said as far as careers are concerned Dexter's is much better , physiques is a whole other story.
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Obvious to you, not to the majority.
The majority don't judge contests
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Dexs physique is better than Shawns obviously.
But, Shawn has much charisma than Dex.
Dex seems to be bigger, but not as polished as Shawn. I think Shawn's look at the 1998 Mr. O by far bests Dex's best to date. Plus, Shawn Ray has the best midsection in bodybuilding to date.
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not to that extent.. the 2 of them competed against each other more than once!.. your grandpa agrees with me :-*
Ha Ha Ha ...my opinon Dex crushes him,,,Nasser should have one the O in 97...maybe?
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Ha Ha Ha ...my opinon Dex crushes him,,,Nasser should have one the O in 97...maybe?
Who Nasser? they faced each other three times and Dexter beat him all three ;D
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Who Nasser? they faced each other three times and Dexter beat him all three ;D
Why did he ND ? maybe an explanation is in order
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215 and fat is diff than 215 and in shape.
Not if she has a nice hair do and cooks good. Kidding
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I don't think we should factor in 3 other shows in a span of 15 years),
ND would. he will grasp at anything to try and make his usual ridiculous argument seem valid..even though everyone can see that they aren't.
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typical NuthuggerDeity. ::)
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The majority don't judge contests
lucky for you they didn't. your hero would have been barely a two time Mr. O, and would have been beaten by shawn more than once..
but the IFBB always looked the other way when it came to dorian showing up on stage..
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ND would. he will grasp at anything to try and make his usual ridiculous argument seem valid..even though everyone can see that they aren't.
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typical NuthuggerDeity. ::)
Typical Hulkster gets owned and tries to save face with a personal attack FYI he competed professionally for only 13 years not 15 , he competed in smaller shows unlike you claimed and he got owned their too ;)
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lucky for you they didn't. your hero would have been barely a two time Mr. O, and would have been beaten by shawn more than once..
but the IFBB always looked the other way when it came to dorian showing up on stage..
Yes we should let a bunch of ignorant idiots like you judge contests that's the ticket ;D
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Typical Hulkster gets owned and tries to save face with a personal attack
no, I pointed out the stupidity of your argument, although someone already did..I simply agreed :P
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no, I pointed out the stupidity of your argument, although someone already did..I simply agreed :P
No you attempted to point out a flaw which was refuted with facts , the fact is as far as careers are concerned Dexter kicks Shawns ass as well as Shawn competing in smaller shows and still not doing so well.
The person who you claimed pointed out the stupidity of my argument , didn't understand I wasn't saying his physique was better so you fail again so you agreed with someone who wrong ;)
Shawn's career sucked compared to Dexter that's a proven fact
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no it isn't.
dex would not have made the top 10 at most Olympia shows that shawn was placing in the top 5 and deserved to win a few.
like everything else you can't simply look at the numbers.
you have to look at the meaning behind the numbers and how they were arrived at.
its like doing a scientific study using a sample pool with hardly any participants and no control group and basing everything on the results you found in a study with a small sample size that creates skewed results.
the point is that the only reason why dex had more winnings on paper (ie the Mr. O) was that he had poor competition after ronnie was retired/old and everyone from the shawn era was gone..
so no, dex did not have a better career. he simply waited until everyone good was gone. and won the O. as a result.
thats not having a better career. thats just luck.
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no it isn't.
dex would not have made the top 10 at most Olympia shows that shawn was placing in the top 5 and deserved to win a few.
like everything else you can't simply look at the numbers.
you have to look at the meaning behind the numbers and how they were arrived at.
its like doing a scientific study using a sample pool with hardly any participants and no control group and basing everything on the results you found in a study with a small sample size that creates skewed results.
the point is that the only reason why dex had more winnings on paper (ie the Mr. O) was that he had poor competition after ronnie was retired/old and everyone from the shawn era was gone..
so no, dex did not have a better career. he simply waited until everyone good was gone. and won the O. as a result.
thats not having a better career. thats just luck.
I agree with you on this one Hulkster.
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dex may have him beat on overall arms but everywhere else shawn ray ops the floor with dex including conditioning/seperation.
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tough for me to decide, very close
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Who Nasser? they faced each other three times and Dexter beat him all three ;D
nasser beat him at mr. olympia 99 and 2000!!.. check before you say wrong info. :-X
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nasser beat him at mr. olympia 99 and 2000!!.. check before you say wrong info. :-X
sheriff you got the results, top ten 99 and 2000?
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nasser beat him at mr. olympia 99 and 2000!!.. check before you say wrong info. :-X
also dex. placed 7th at AC 99 which nasser won!!.. at his best nasser was clearly better than dex.
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sheriff you got the results, top ten 99 and 2000?
not only the results, i also have the whole videos of most of mr. olympia contests starting from early 80s!!..
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not only the results, i also have the whole videos of most of mr. olympia contests starting from early 80s!!..
I think we need results posted here for ND and the gang or they wont believe you.
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If you believe Dexter is 230 you are fooling yourself
at the 2006 ASC Branch Warren was told by Dexter that he weighed 206lbs
It is not 2006 anymore.
I believe Dex is heavier and dryer.
Dex claimed 235 maybe he was closer to 225.
Shawn was even 190 lbs sometimes.
I do not believe they had the same weight.
Some of Dex bodyparts look 30% bigger than Shawns like
Delts and arms.
Shawn had small flat delts and Shawns head look bigger
than Dex head due to a smaller upper body.
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I think we need results posted here for ND and the gang or they wont believe you.
ND knows the history of the sport very well but his mind sometimes forgets certain facts when they are against his desire ;D
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Shawn Ray Final Countdown...1998 Mr. O
Shawn Ray 1999 Mr O
Dex Battle for O 2000
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I agree with you on this one Hulkster.
yup. ND's points are never valid if you use your brains and analyze things properly..
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ND knows the history of the sport very well but his mind sometimes forgets certain facts when they are against his desire
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hahaha my ass he knows the sport very well. he has no clue and sees what he wants to see, not what actually happened and the reasons for it..
his mind sometimes forgets certain facts when they are against his desire
sometimes? lol
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Just waiting for ND to arrive where is he? he usually shows up when Hulkster is here..
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he is with dorian basking in the afterglow right about now... :-X
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no it isn't.
dex would not have made the top 10 at most Olympia shows that shawn was placing in the top 5 and deserved to win a few.
like everything else you can't simply look at the numbers.
you have to look at the meaning behind the numbers and how they were arrived at.
its like doing a scientific study using a sample pool with hardly any participants and no control group and basing everything on the results you found in a study with a small sample size that creates skewed results.
the point is that the only reason why dex had more winnings on paper (ie the Mr. O) was that he had poor competition after ronnie was retired/old and everyone from the shawn era was gone..
so no, dex did not have a better career. he simply waited until everyone good was gone. and won the O. as a result.
thats not having a better career. thats just luck.
It doesn't matter if he could or would one has nothing to do with the other , career wise there is NO contest , he can speak hypothetically all we want but in the end we can only go by what is .
and the same can be said about Ronnie as well so you're fucked either way.
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also dex. placed 7th at AC 99 which nasser won!!.. at his best nasser was clearly better than dex.
Who's Mr Olympia and who isn't? ;D
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yup. ND's points are never valid if you use your brains and analyze things properly..
lmfao coming from you of all people hahahahahah classic
you can't even grasp the concept of I'm not saying his physique was better just his career which is a fact.
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Small arms and a weak back---other than that he's great, except his ex wife is married to Shawn Wayans
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Quote Milos Sarcev on Dorian Yates
" Dorian is.........The current Mr Olympia. I admire him a great deal. He's impressive , ripped and huge with a total package that can't be beat. he doesn't have the type of physique I'd want to emulate. "
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lmfao coming from you of all people hahahahahah classic
you can't even grasp the concept of I'm not saying his physique was better just his career which is a fact.
your missing the point. people are trying to tell you that the fact that his physique was worse and he would not have placed even close to shawn during shawn's hayday in the 90's is exactly why is career was WORSE not better..
winning titles when there was no competition is not better than placing near the top with intense competition..competition that would have kept dexter from even making the posedown.
that is a worse career. not a better one.
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your missing the point. people are trying to tell you that the fact that his physique was worse and he would not have placed even close to shawn during shawn's hayday in the 90's is exactly why is career was WORSE not better..
winning titles when there was no competition is not better than placing near the top with intense competition..competition that would have kept dexter from even making the posedown.
that is a worse career. not a better one.
Shawn and Dexter are a LOT closer than you think and compared very well to each other regardless of years more of your ignorance at play
the exact same can be said for Ronnie Coleman who languished in the early to mid 90s and only started to win after all those guys started to decline
Shawn would match up very well with Dexter and beat him in some poses and loses in others , your pure ignorance prevents you from once again being objective.
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Small arms and a weak back---other than that he's great, except his ex wife is married to Shawn Wayans
:D ;D
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the exact same can be said for Ronnie Coleman who languished in the early to mid 90s and only started to win after all those guys started to decline
are you a complete idiot?
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I think this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on getbig, even from you. congrats :-\.
ronnie didn't win because everyone left or got old.
he won because he was 100x better when he was winning Mr O's than he was when he was getting beaten by everyone in the 90's:
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my ass they are close ::)
shawn smokes him from every angle.
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are you a complete idiot?
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I think this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on getbig, even from you. congrats :-\.
ronnie didn't win because everyone left or got old.
he won because he was 100x better when he was winning Mr O's than he was when he was getting beaten by everyone in the 90's:
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Seriously many , many people have already said on many occasions Ronnie only started beating guys after their primes like Flex ( 93 ) Kevin ( 92/95 ) Shawn ( 94 ) all guys Dorian dominated and at the end of their careers Ronnie started beating them lol
Who did Ronnie face? past primes guys who were all much better in the 90s and Jay & Dex? hahahahaha who both beat him after he started winning
everyone beat Ronnie in the 90s and the late 00s lmao
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my ass they are close ::)
shawn smokes him from every angle.
Very typical Hulkster
Blanket statement NO proof what so ever two carefully selected pictures with the old tried and true " see "
hahahahahahaha your stupidity is very predictable
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are you a complete idiot?
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I think this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on getbig, even from you. congrats :-\.
ronnie didn't win because everyone left or got old.
he won because he was 100x better when he was winning Mr O's than he was when he was getting beaten by everyone in the 90's:
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in the middle pic cormier looks better than ronnie. ronnie always had a bit of a weird ab shape
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Seriously many , many people have already said on many occasions Ronnie only started beating guys after their primes like Flex ( 93 ) Kevin ( 92/95 ) Shawn ( 94 ) all guys Dorian dominated and at the end of their careers Ronnie started beating them lol
Who did Ronnie face? past primes guys who were all much better in the 90s and Jay & Dex? hahahahaha who both beat him after he started winning
everyone beat Ronnie in the 90s and the late 00s lmao
Past their prime? I beg to differ!!
Flex Wheeler won two Arnold Classic titles, after Ronnie first defeated him in 1996.
Kevin Levrone placed 2nd at the Olympia twice in the 2000s, hardly an indicator of someone being past their prime.
Flex's prime was NOT in 1993. That was in 1998, the year Ronnie BEAT HIM for the Olympia.
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Past their prime? I beg to differ!!
Flex Wheeler won two Arnold Classic titles, after Ronnie first defeated him in 1996.
Kevin Levrone placed 2nd at the Olympia twice in the 2000s, hardly an indicator of someone being past their prime.
Flex's prime was NOT in 1993. That was in 1998, the year Ronnie BEAT HIM for the Olympia.
I beg to differ also. Levrone's placings in 2000 and 2002 just show how less competitive the field was. He still had a great upper body but no wheels. No comparison with the '93 or the '95 Levrone. Flex was much better in '93 than in '98 (the guy was already an oil bag by then and he wasn't suited to carry that much mass). Ronnie still faced tough competition in '98 and '99 (Cormier showed up great in '99 and should have placed 2nd). From 2000 and on, line-ups have just been weak. Any bodybuilder who placed top 6 at the 'O from '92 to '98 included wouldbe Mr O nowadays.
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I'd pick FrogMan if he had calfs.
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I beg to differ also. Levrone's placings in 2000 and 2002 just show how less competitive the field was. He still had a great upper body but no wheels. No comparison with the '93 or the '95 Levrone. Flex was much better in '93 than in '98 (the guy was already an oil bag by then and he wasn't suited to carry that much mass). Ronnie still faced tough competition in '98 and '99 (Cormier showed up great in '99 and should have placed 2nd). From 2000 and on, line-ups have just been weak. Any bodybuilder who placed top 6 at the 'O from '92 to '98 included wouldbe Mr O nowadays.
Great post Newbie!!! +1
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Shawn Ray vs his protege, Richard Jones, and Richard Longwith.
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Past their prime? I beg to differ!!
Flex Wheeler won two Arnold Classic titles, after Ronnie first defeated him in 1996.
Kevin Levrone placed 2nd at the Olympia twice in the 2000s, hardly an indicator of someone being past their prime.
Flex's prime was NOT in 1993. That was in 1998, the year Ronnie BEAT HIM for the Olympia.
Don't beg it's unbecoming ;D
Ronnie only beat Flex when Flex was off ( not his fault ) but that's the case even in 96 but when Ronnie hit his stride that wasn't the case anymore
Levrone was past his prime showings which were 1992/1995 his physique was leaps & bounds better than it was in 2000/2002 in fact if he looked like he did in 1995 he probably would have beat Ronnie in 2002
Flex's prime is 1993 BY FAR he never looked as good as he did in 1993 Arnold , Ironman , and Olympia , 98 Olympia was hardly Wheeler's best in fact he looked better at the Arnold than he did at the Olympia and in fact if he looked like he did at that years Arnold he might have beat Ronnie
just because guys continued to place high only means it was relative to the competition in fact all the guys looked better in the early 90s , Flex , Kevin , Shawn , Dillett
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I beg to differ also. Levrone's placings in 2000 and 2002 just show how less competitive the field was. He still had a great upper body but no wheels. No comparison with the '93 or the '95 Levrone. Flex was much better in '93 than in '98 (the guy was already an oil bag by then and he wasn't suited to carry that much mass). Ronnie still faced tough competition in '98 and '99 (Cormier showed up great in '99 and should have placed 2nd). From 2000 and on, line-ups have just been weak. Any bodybuilder who placed top 6 at the 'O from '92 to '98 included wouldbe Mr O nowadays.
I couldn't agree more. well said.
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just because guys continued to place high only means it was relative to the competition in fact all the guys looked better in the early 90s , Flex , Kevin , Shawn , Dillett
and Ronnie as he looked in 99 or at the 2001 AC would have beaten them all in that shape anyway, including dorian.
so whats your point?
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Very typical Hulkster
Blanket statement NO proof what so ever two carefully selected pictures with the old tried and true " see "
hahahahahahaha your stupidity is very predictable
I love how ND refers to random pics as carefully selected..LOL
what he fails to realize is that all the shots of Ronnie at his peak show the same thing: that he was better than anyone else to date.
so no, none of them are carefully selected. sorry.
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and Ronnie as he looked in 99 or at the 2001 AC would have beaten them all in that shape anyway, including dorian.
so whats your point?
Yeah sure he would ::) Ronnie HIMSELF said his best Olympia showing was 1998 and he just barely beat Flex by 3 points among the closest Olympias ever , Flex 1993 who was eons better than he was in 98 got blown out the water by Yates in a contest where Dorian was so far ahead of everyone he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round LMFAO
Ronnie knows he couldn't touch Yates only his stupid fans can't admit the truth ;)
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I love how ND refers to random pics as carefully selected..LOL
what he fails to realize is that all the shots of Ronnie at his peak show the same thing: that he was better than anyone else to date.
so no, none of them are carefully selected. sorry.
Like I'm the only one who points you hand pick your flexed shots of Ronnie and unflexed of Dorian , your ball-licking his legendary .
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Remember, this is Shawn v Dexter
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Remember, this is Shawn v Dexter
Any thread Hulkster types in he weasels Dorian into it and Ronnie
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Don't beg it's unbecoming ;D
Ronnie only beat Flex when Flex was off ( not his fault ) but that's the case even in 96 but when Ronnie hit his stride that wasn't the case anymore
Levrone was past his prime showings which were 1992/1995 his physique was leaps & bounds better than it was in 2000/2002 in fact if he looked like he did in 1995 he probably would have beat Ronnie in 2002
Flex's prime is 1993 BY FAR he never looked as good as he did in 1993 Arnold , Ironman , and Olympia , 98 Olympia was hardly Wheeler's best in fact he looked better at the Arnold than he did at the Olympia and in fact if he looked like he did at that years Arnold he might have beat Ronnie
just because guys continued to place high only means it was relative to the competition in fact all the guys looked better in the early 90s , Flex , Kevin , Shawn , Dillett
I think a 1998 Kevin Levrone was the best he ever was behind his 1992 showing. He combined a TON of SIZE with cuts, symmetry and legs. I still say that it was a race between Kevin, Cormier and Coleman for the win in 1998.
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Any thread ND types in he weasels Dorian into it and Ronnie
fixed.
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fixed.
You're the idiot who typed Dorian in this thread not I ;)
how does it feel being GetBig's punching bag?
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Whats next ? Flair vs Hogon?
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dexter all the way 8)
he's bigger, has a more complete physique - calves apart.
shawn has no back width, smaller arms, and his conditioning was not as good from 96 on. dex is always ripped.
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dexter all the way 8)
he's bigger, has a more complete physique - calves apart.
shawn has no back width, smaller arms, and his conditioning was not as good from 96 on. dex is always ripped.
You bring up a lot of great points which would swing a contest in Dexter's favor , they're probably the same height and Dex is bigger and looks bigger , he's also wider , wider clavicles and back and conditioning Dex isn't a slouch , great points.
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You bring up a lot of great points which would swing a contest in Dexter's favor , they're probably the same height and Dex is bigger and looks bigger , he's also wider , wider clavicles and back and conditioning Dex isn't a slouch , great points.
I've seen them both over the years...Dexter is is clearly wider. Both are the same height (Shawna isn't 5'7)
Shawn has the prettier of the two physques...Like I said. I like Shawns' physique better but Dex's wins shows.
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I've seen them both over the years...Dexter is is clearly wider. Both are the same height (Shawna isn't 5'7)
Shawn has the prettier of the two physques...Like I said. I like Shawns' physique better but Dex's wins shows.
Great post. It seems to be the problem with a lot of guys they can't separate what they like from what wins and there if a difference.
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Whats next ? Flair vs Hogon?
Hogon? ???
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Hogon? ???
Hogan!!!!! You know the prayers, the vitamins the training? ::)
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Dexter and Phil Heath both beat Shawn Ray, perhaps even Levrone
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Hogan!!!!! You know the prayers, the vitamins the training? ::)
Dude, you misspelled Hogan in your original post. You clearly didn't pick up on my sarcasm. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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dex _ he made it to the top :-\
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Dexter and Phil Heath both beat Shawn Ray, perhaps even Levrone
I'll just assume you are joking in order to avoid a meltdown.
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Dexter and Phil Heath both beat Shawn Ray, perhaps even Levrone
Dex is underrated even with a Sandow. Very little flaws except for his calves. But in this day and age, he suffers against "regular" mass monsters. Ray had rounder muscles, good symmetry also and fantastic lines overall. They're close even though Ray's physique was more pleasing to the eye. But you must be joking when you quote Heath as a contender: width is pitiful, weak chest with arms so big that it looks even smaller than it actually is, obliques way too big. Overhyped.
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Congradulations on his O victory. But Shawn Battled Haney, Yates, Levrone, Flex, Nasser, Cormier, and then King Ron. Dexter couldn't go against these guys.
Dexter DID go against these guys and he beat them all, at some point in his career (particularly at the Olympia), except for Yates and Haney, who retired before Dexter even turned pro.
Jackson defeated them at the following Olympias:
Levrone: 2003 Olympia
Wheeler: 2002 Olympia
El Sonbaty: 2001, 2002 Olympia
Cormier: 2004 Olympia
Coleman: 2007 Olympia
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Dude, you misspelled Hogan in your original post. You clearly didn't pick up on my sarcasm. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I saw I misspelled it I just didn't care you know who I meant. >:(
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I'll just assume you are joking in order to avoid a meltdown.
nope, why would i be joking?
Phil in my mind is better than Dexter because he beat him on saturday at the 09 Olympia (Phil got sick in the prejudging).
So therefore if Dex is better than Shawn so is Phil
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Congradulations on his O victory. But Shawn Battled Haney, Yates, Levrone, Flex, Nasser, Cormier, and then King Ron. Dexter couldn't go against these guys.
at dexters peak i.e. the last 2 years - i believe he would have beat haney, levrone, cormier, and flex at their peaks.
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at dexters peak i.e. the last 2 years - i believe he would have beat haney, levrone, cormier, and flex at their peaks.
You are clearing having vision problems panda
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You are clearing having vision problems panda
i know its controversial, but i really believe if dexter was 3-4" taller he would be classed as the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived so far.
i also think its wrong to judge bodybuilders height, as it gives some tall guys an advantage by portraying an optical illusion of more size.
take dex for example, i'm sure pound for pound he is up there with the mass monsters, yet because he's short he looks smaller, while wolf is classed as a monster due to height.
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i know its controversial, but i really believe if dexter was 3-4" taller he would be classed as the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived so far.
i also think its wrong to judge bodybuilders height, as it gives some tall guys an advantage by portraying an optical illusion of more size.
take dex for example, i'm sure pound for pound he is up there with the mass monsters, yet because he's short he looks smaller, while wolf is classed as a monster due to height.
Nice, so are you saying a taller BB with same proportions should beat a shorter one same proportions?
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nope, why would i be joking?
Phil in my mind is better than Dexter because he beat him on saturday at the 09 Olympia (Phil got sick in the prejudging).
So therefore if Dex is better than Shawn so is Phil
Phil may be better than Dexter, but there is no way Dexter is better than Shawn.
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Phil may be better than Dexter, but there is no way Dexter is better than Shawn.
Of those 3 guyts, ony one (1) has won the most important bodybuilding title. I don't think Phil will ever....ever ever ever ever ever win it.
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Of those 3 guyts, ony one (1) has won the most important bodybuilding title. I don't think Phil will ever....ever ever ever ever ever win it.
I am aware of that but look at the quality physiques Shawn had to compete against, and look at what pieces of bloated, GF gut Palumboism shit Dex went up against.
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I am aware of that but look at the quality physiques Shawn had to compete against, and look at what pieces of bloated, GF gut Palumboism shit Dex went up against.
You mean guys like:
Wheeler
Levrone
Cormier
Schlierkamp
Didn't Dexter Jackson DEFEAT those guys, too?
Not to mention
Charles
Anthony
Freeman
Wolf
Heath
Dexter Jackson faced many of the same competitors that Ray faced and he defeated them, along with a few others. And, unlike Ray, Jackson has a Sandow.
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Sorry that argument doesn't sway my opinion. Why the fuck am I discussing competitive bodybuilding anyway? ???
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Dexter Jackson faced many of the same competitors that Ray faced and he defeated them, along with a few others. And, unlike Ray, Jackson has a Sandow.
but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..
unlike Shawn.
back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:
just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.
fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.
but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.
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but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..
unlike Shawn.
back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:
just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.
fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.
but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.
I don't know how anyone can look at that pic of ronnie and not regard him as the GOAT, he looks ridiculous.
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I don't know how anyone can look at that pic of ronnie and not regard him as the GOAT, he looks ridiculous.
Agreed. Especially the non-existant calves, gyno and funky looking abs.
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Agreed. Especially the non-existant calves, gyno and funky looking abs.
let me guess, you think dexter is better than shawn too?
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let me guess, you think dexter is better than shawn too?
No. Haven't you been reading my above posts?
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No. Haven't you been reading my above posts?
just did, fair enough.
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but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..
unlike Shawn.
back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:
just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.
fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.
but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.
Aren't you the geek that makes the same argument for Ronnie "the child" getting blown off the stage in 92-95? ::) Dexter was an infant in 99.
Dexter did something Shawn never could, he beat the biggest and best BBs at the time. If you put Shawn on stage now he'd place just like he did in the 90s....top 2-4
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Nice, so are you saying a taller BB with same proportions should beat a shorter one same proportions?
if all else is equal - yes
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but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..
unlike Shawn.
back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:
just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.
fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.
but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.
::) what about how he has put in 30lbs ( at least) of muscle on that frame since that pic?
at his peak he was a different specimen.
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The form Dexter brought to the last 2 Mr. O's would probably beat Shawn. Shawn's physique is "prettier", but Dexter is bigger and in better condition. His Mr. O and Arnold record compared to Shawn's are proof.
Shawn is one of my favorite of all time and arguably has the best physique in terms of what I'd want to look like; however, in terms of IFBB criteria Dexter would likely prevail.
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but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..
unlike Shawn.
back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:
just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.
fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.
but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.
Way over the hill? Hardly
Cormier won multiple IronMan titles in the 2000s, along with his string of 2nd-place finishes at the ASC.
Levrone was hardly "over the hill", having placed 2nd at the Olympia TWICE in the 2000s (2000, 2002).
As for Schlierkamp, didn't he win the GNC show AT RONNIE COLEMAN'S EXPENSE, as well as claiming two 5th-place and one 4th-place showings at the O?
Your assertion of Jackson facing low-quality competitors, compared to Ray (or that Jackson beat the same competitors when they were "over the hill) is quite unfounded.
Dexter Jackson is hardly well below Shawn Ray, in terms of physique. Jackson has MORE WINS against similar competition. Plus, he has the ONE title that Ray does not possess.......MR. OLYMPIA.
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dexter beat Mr. Levrone at the 2003 O because he tore his tricep a few weeks earlier, overall he was a good 20 lbs smaller than normal
he beat him at a few spring shows too in the 2000's, he didn't take those seriously at all i think he just wanted to collect an easy paycheck
if this is a prime Levrone, than I guess trevor berbick beat a prime Ali ::)
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Way over the hill? Hardly
Cormier won multiple IronMan titles in the 2000s, along with his string of 2nd-place finishes at the ASC.
Levrone was hardly "over the hill", having placed 2nd at the Olympia TWICE in the 2000s (2000, 2002).
As for Schlierkamp, didn't he win the GNC show AT RONNIE COLEMAN'S EXPENSE, as well as claiming two 5th-place and one 4th-place showings at the O?
Your assertion of Jackson facing low-quality competitors, compared to Ray (or that Jackson beat the same competitors when they were "over the hill) is quite unfounded.
Dexter Jackson is hardly well below Shawn Ray, in terms of physique. Jackson has MORE WINS against similar competition. Plus, he has the ONE title that Ray does not possess.......MR. OLYMPIA.
Great post ! typical Hulkster lots of blanket statements absolutely no proof what so ever epitome of ignorance.
Dexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly
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[quoteDexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly ][/quote]
LMAO
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are you honestly that stupid? or are you just saying dexter because I am saying (and proving quite easily) Ray..
???
if you think these two physiques are the same, only with dexter bigger, well, I am fucking santa clause.
its not even close folks:
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LOL what destruction.
shawn placed in the top 5 of 12 consequtive olympias, most of which Dex would be in the bottom of the top 10..if that. hell, his Mr. O shape would not have even made the top 6 in 98 or 99..
and ND is stupid enough to say Dex is the same as shawn only bigger LOL ::)
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[quoteDexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly ]
LMAO
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are you honestly that stupid? or are you just saying dexter because I am saying (and proving quite easily) Ray..
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if you think these two physiques are the same, only with dexter bigger, well, I am fucking santa clause.
its not even close folks:
No not the same , Dexter has wider clavicles and back ;)
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yet his back is soft and crappy compared to Shawns..his back double bi shot is so far below its not even close.
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LOL what destruction.
shawn placed in the top 5 of 12 consequtive olympias, most of which Dex would be in the bottom of the top 10..if that. hell, his Mr. O shape would not have even made the top 6 in 98 or 99..
and ND is stupid enough to say Dex is the same as shawn only bigger LOL ::)
And? so did Lee Labrada you have no point.
Dexter carries more muscular bulk than Shawn and has equal if not better conditioning , he's wider to boot once again Mr " I only judge guys because I like they way they look " NOT how it works
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I am aware of that but look at the quality physiques Shawn had to compete against, and look at what pieces of bloated, GF gut Palumboism shit Dex went up against.
Shawn's lost to the king of "pieces of bloated, GFD gut Polumboism from 91 to 1997!!!! Dorian Yates So if Dex has beaten them Dex is better. Yeah I like Shawns physq more but Dex has at least one Sandow on his mantle. I am sure Shawns happy at his past accomplishments....NPC wins, 1 ASC win , 1 ASC win with an asteric, 2 or 3 runner up titles, but Dex accomplished THE NUMBER ONE GOAL that Shawn was always gunning for.
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dexter beat Mr. Levrone at the 2003 O because he tore his tricep a few weeks earlier, overall he was a good 20 lbs smaller than normal
he beat him at a few spring shows too in the 2000's, he didn't take those seriously at all i think he just wanted to collect an easy paycheck
if this is a prime Levrone, than I guess trevor berbick beat a prime Ali ::)
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Didn't Levrone claim to be in his 240's for the 2003 Mr. Olympia? Looked to be 225 MAX.
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Shawn's lost to the king of "pieces of bloated, GFD gut Polumboism from 91 to 1997!!!! Dorian Yates So if Dex has beaten them Dex is better. Yeah I like Shawns physq more but Dex has at least one Sandow on his mantle. I am sure Shawns happy at his past accomplishments....NPC wins, 1 ASC win , 1 ASC win with an asteric, 2 or 3 runner up titles, but Dex accomplished THE NUMBER ONE GOAL that Shawn was always gunning for.
Hahahahahahahaha Shawn " It's my density to be Mr Olympia " NOT
Dexter is in a very special group that Ray only dreams about
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Ray just dont have enough mass he was of the era of the small Mr O's,,,whn the big guys came around and the game changed it was "lights out" great physique though
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Ray just dont have enough mass he was of the era of the small Mr O's,,,whn the big guys came around and the game changed it was "lights out" great physique though
Sorry 205 pounds is severely lacking in a major part of the judging criteria called Muscular Bulk , factor in the width issues and balance issues and only idiots can claim he was robbed
very nice aesthetic physique accomplished a lot despite his shortcomings it was never in the cards for him.
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Dexter wins.
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Dexter wins.
Is that because he looks the best in a thong Bay?
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Shawn was awesome and is one of my favorites. However, I think Dexter has too much size and too much conditioning for Shawn to beat him. Would be probably be close and is a good comparison though.
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dex, consider yourself lucky that you won when no one good was around..at least, not compared to the men that Shawn had to face..
like Jay before and after you, you never would have won the O. with a lineup like the mid to late 90's..
sorry, but that is fact. like it or not.
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dex, consider yourself lucky that you won when no one good was around..at least, not compared to the men that Shawn had to face..
like Jay before and after you, you never would have won the O. with a lineup like the mid to late 90's..
sorry, but that is fact. like it or not.
Nice post Hulk
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Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard
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Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard
Damn ND nice shots (no homo)
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Shawn couldn't touch Dexter's latspreads
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I agree dex has a better REAR lat shot.
but shawn's front shot is better head to toe:
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I agree dex has a better REAR lat shot.
but shawn's front shot is better head to toe:
Now Shawn looks great in that photo for sure
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dex just never got to this level of quality:
sorry.
in fact, few bodybuilders ever did. period.
but shawn's height (and poor judging during the dorian fiasco) is what many say kept him from taking home several olympia titles, and its not hard to see why..
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dex just never got to this level of quality:
sorry.
in fact, few bodybuilders ever did. period.
but shawn's height (and poor judging during the dorian fiasco) is what many say kept him from taking home several olympia titles, and its not hard to see why..
But Shawn's height his lack of width , his lack of muscular bulk and his imbalance issues kept him from taking home any Olympia titles
Dexter Mr Olympia
Shawn = crybaby
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shawn = much better physique than Dexter
Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
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shawn = much better physique than Dexter
Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
Like Ronnie who couldn't win an Olympia until the whole groupe of guys who beat him were past their primes ;)
Shawn = Mr Crybaby
Dexter = Mr Olympia
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you guys are on drugs if you think shawn was better than dex.
i watched shawn throughout his entire career and his weaknesses were what killed him onstage. This BS about the competition is retard talk.
side by side, pose by pose, forget the era, Dex smashes Ray.
Dex's FDB is the best going around, and arguably the best EVER. In that pose Shawn looked the worst against his contemporaries with his flat, lifeless biceps and flattened out triceps. His chest disappeared also in that pose, and his legs were blocky. The only area he beat Dex in that pose was his calves, and they were high, but reasonably developed. His mid section was soft in that pose also whereas Dex's is etched in stone and tighter. Dex's arms jump out like cartoons and his quads are sweepy, massive, and hard.
Rear DB shawn makes up some ground as he had great detail from top to bottom and great balance in that pose, with incredible dryness, BUT he has nowhere near the mass of Dex in that pose particularly in the lats, traps, and those cartoon arms. Then we have Ray's blocky legs again..amnd the same calf argument.
Side triceps is a good pose for Ray and its neck and neck as Ray looks good but the size advantage with the tight waist and sweeping (not blocky) quads gives Dex the edge).
Rear lat spread- again Ray's size lets him down. Its a well balanced pose but the mass v Dex is a big problem here. Dex kills him in this pose.
Front Abs and Thigh Dex's size and striated midsection just destroys Ray's otherwise excellent form which is again horribly ruined by his blocky legs (they are very thick up top and dont sweep into thick mass half way down then taper wildy into his knee- they just are thick and massive like concrete blocks).
Front lat spread is all Dexters. Again possibly no one has ever had a better front lat spread. His pecs appear huge , waist tiny and ripped, with curvy, cartoon arms and thick sweeping legs. Ray's is one where his peds flatten out, his lack of arm size is obvious, his midsection is ok, but there is those blocky legs again and he doesnt have that accentuated V taper and shrink wrapped waist- or the mass and depth that Dex has.
Most muscular. Shawn has his signature pose that makes him look good. It somewhat covers over where his blocky legs link to his waist, and he hoilds it to give his pecs an appearance of thickness that isnt there usually, and he has gnarly arms in that pose. Dex's MM doesnt do him justice and its the one pose where he appears to have lack of pec thickness. I think its the way he holds it.
Standing relaxed there is no comparison. Dex looks like a marvel comic book super hero whilst Ray could be any one of the guys from the late 80s to early 90s and in fact looks larger below the waist than above it.
So for me, Dex...easily..
Ray was good, but Ray wasnt better than Levrone- at all, nor Labrada, nor Haney, Yates, Coleman, Jay, Heath and even Martinez. Dex is better than all of those guys except for Coleman in his prime.
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shawn = much better physique than Dexter
Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
what a load of crack.
Dex compared to Franco. Your credibility is ruined for the rest of this thread. Do not bother us with your comments.
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shawn = much better physique than Dexter
Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
Its better to stick around. That's why Emmitt has the rushing title.
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what a load of crack.
Dex compared to Franco. Your credibility is ruined for the rest of this thread. Do not bother us with your comments.
I saw his point. Whoever said Franco was more than the Oak's sidekick
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of course you saw my point. because it was 100% true.
dex vs shawn is a missmatch: shawn crushes him with his horrible structure (hips wider than his torso where his lats insert, Y taper with high lats - totally fucked up - and his turtle gut).
shawn had a great double bi, with a far better structure than dex, better quads, perfect vaccum to boot.
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Front Abs and Thigh Dex's size and striated midsection just destroys Ray's otherwise excellent form which is again horribly ruined by his blocky legs (they are very thick up top and dont sweep into thick mass half way down then taper wildy into his knee- they just are thick and massive like concrete blocks).
you conveniently forget how dexter's horrible structure has even caused him to lose this pose to RONNIE COLEMAN in the past (see 2004)..
versus Shawn, he stands no chance what so ever.
dex couldn't even beat Ronnie in the pose..
to say he beats shawn? hahahahahahaha ::)
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you conveniently forget how dexter's horrible structure has even caused him to lose this pose to RONNIE COLEMAN in the past (see 2004)..
versus Shawn, he stands no chance what so ever.
dex couldn't even beat Ronnie in the pose..
to say he beats shawn? hahahahahahaha ::)
All I am saying is Dex DID beat Shawn to the title. Who cares what it looked like gettingthere. Marino threw better passes than Phil Simms....but Phil has 2 rings.
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true, dex eventually won the title.
shawn did not.
but it wasn't because dex had a better physique that much is painfully obvious:
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true, dex eventually won the title.
shawn did not.
but it wasn't because dex had a better physique that much is painfully obvious:
Well Dex was shorter and packs more mass now. We can all say Shawn had a more classical physique or whatever but Dex isn't a Phil Hernon.
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Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard
8) exactly
where has shawn ever looked as good as these 4 pics.
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actually, he looked that good on a regular basis:
thats why shawn did well in contests where dexter, even in his Mr. O shape, would not have beaten shawn, dorian, ronnie etc. when they were in top form
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8) exactly
where has shawn ever looked as good as these 4 pics.
Sorry Shawn
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Bigger , wider and just as hard
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dexter beat Mr. Levrone at the 2003 O because he tore his tricep a few weeks earlier, overall he was a good 20 lbs smaller than normal
he beat him at a few spring shows too in the 2000's, he didn't take those seriously at all i think he just wanted to collect an easy paycheck
if this is a prime Levrone, than I guess trevor berbick beat a prime Ali ::)
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And whose problem is that?
The simple fact is Jackson beat many of the same guys that Ray faced and he beat them when they were still viable competitors at the Olympia level.
Plus, he's beaten guys MUCH LARGER than himself, namely Schlierkamp, Freeman, and Wolf.
And, of course, he pulled off the upset in 2008, getting past Cutler for the Olympia title.
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actually, he looked that good on a regular basis:
thats why shawn did well in contests where dexter, even in his Mr. O shape, would not have beaten shawn, dorian, ronnie etc. when they were in top form
::) you are delusional.
see those 4 other pics by nd - a complete physique from every angle.
shawn has never looked that good.
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can Dex pull off a shot like this without looking gay?
(no homo)
(http://www.supplementgenius.com/images/shawn1.jpeg)
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even changing a tire, Shawn was the man
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/ray46.jpg)
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even changing a tire, Shawn was the man
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/ray46.jpg)
Oh brother Team Nasser will start posting pics of Nassers changing tires now to offset this.
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Oh brother Team Nasser will start posting pics of Nassers changing tires now to offset this.
Probably easier to find a pic of him changing the oil...
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Shawn had 1 of the best side chests ever
(http://c.wrzuta.pl/wi14634/3cbf3c69000eb26b45c369ba/0/shawn%20ray%202)
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::) you are delusional.
see those 4 other pics by nd - a complete physique from every angle.
shawn has never looked that good.
LOL
yeah sure:
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Shawn has a better face (no homo)...Dex looks like roach and shawn in his best days was a great looking guy...unfortunately, Olympias = Dex 1, Shawn 0. Street Cred, Dex = 100, Shawn -100 (blame mom).
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you know what is really funny and a testiment to how much better shawn was than dexter?
answer: his 1987 nationals rear double bi was better than Dexter's Mr. O winning rear double bi:
thats just how much better shawn was:
nice try dexter nuthuggers, but you lose:
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dex could not come close
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Dex all the way.
I used to think they were pretty close.
Shawn have droopy small shoulders
and a narrow build.
Shawn: H frame small, stringy.
Dex: X frame bigger, fuller, freakier.
We can go on forever.
Some say Shawn and some say Dex.
Apples and peanuts whatever you like.
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can Dex pull off a shot like this without looking gay?
(no homo)
(http://www.supplementgenius.com/images/shawn1.jpeg)
That shot look monster gay
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This thread will never end. Shawn was better, period. Can't believe all these schmoes who think Dex is better. ::)
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This thread will never end. Shawn was better, period. Can't believe all these schmoes who think Dex is better. ::)
I am not surprised. many people in this sport have no clue.
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I am not surprised. many people in this sport have no clue.
Irony alert ;D
Dexter has more muscular bulk , equal if not better conditioning , and he's wider the criteria favor's Dexter , you can't dispute this
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you know what is really funny and a testiment to how much better shawn was than dexter?
answer: his 1987 nationals rear double bi was better than Dexter's Mr. O winning rear double bi:
thats just how much better shawn was:
nice try dexter nuthuggers, but you lose:
::) better in what way ? ripped ultra lean conditioning perhaps yes - but what about mass ? and width, thickness, etc
if you really believe that conditioning is more important than mass, width, etc etc then that shot is also better than all of ronnies rear double bi shots.
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::) better in what way ? ripped ultra lean conditioning perhaps yes - but what about mass ? and width, thickness, etc
if you really believe that conditioning is more important than mass, width, etc etc then that shot is also better than all of ronnies rear double bi shots.
He's hopeless
Dexter is probably the exact same height and it's obvious he carries more mass , has equal if not better conditioning , and he has much better width and less balance issues not but much but I think Dex has him there as well
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you know what is really funny and a testiment to how much better shawn was than dexter?
answer: his 1987 nationals rear double bi was better than Dexter's Mr. O winning rear double bi:
thats just how much better shawn was:
nice try dexter nuthuggers, but you lose:
Great pic shows how little he improved over his career ;D
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Great pic shows how little he improved over his career ;D
;D
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Great pic shows how little he improved over his career ;D
he peaked early...
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(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/tjwes/ray%20back%20shot.jpg)
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poor dex. a guy who never won the O. looks much better than he ever did...
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(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/tjwes/ray%20big%20tri.jpg)
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its amazing in looking at these pics how much better shawn's entire lower body is. his quads, hams calves are all significantly better than dex's
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its amazing in looking at these pics how much better shawn's entire lower body is. his quads, hams calves are all significantly better than dex's
His calves are , hams and quads not really
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LOL ::)
more retarded baseless ND opinions.. ::)
you obviously have never compared their quads before..
in his mr. O. winning shape, dexter had quads that were far far far below shawn's:
open your eyes: ::)
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its not even close: ::)
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And whose problem is that?
The simple fact is Jackson beat many of the same guys that Ray faced and he beat them when they were still viable competitors at the Olympia level.
Plus, he's beaten guys MUCH LARGER than himself, namely Schlierkamp, Freeman, and Wolf.
And, of course, he pulled off the upset in 2008, getting past Cutler for the Olympia title.
my point is he beat a subpar Mr. Levrone
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LOL ::)
more retarded baseless ND opinions.. ::)
you obviously have never compared their quads before..
in his mr. O. winning shape, dexter had quads that were far far far below shawn's:
open your eyes: ::)
Same ole Hulkster no content lots of attacks and carefully selected pictures ;D
Troll on Hulkster it's all you have
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my point is he beat a subpar Mr. Levrone
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He did Kevin on point beats Dexter
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Same ole Hulkster no content lots of attacks and carefully selected pictures ;D
Troll on Hulkster it's all you have
I love how you say direct excellent comparisons of the two of them is 'no content'... ::)
typical ND..ignores all the content because it destroys his bullshit..
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He did Kevin on point beats Dexter
???
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and another thing, as with dorian/ronnie shots, none of my pics are 'carefully selected' to show who I think his better is in fact better.
but they are carefully selected in terms of distance from stage, consistent pose etc
they are the best possible comparisons you can get.
and because they expose your bullshit, you hate them.
tough shit. deal with it.
shawn had a much better physique than dexter. and all the comparisons show it.
deal with that too.
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and another thing, as with dorian/ronnie shots, none of my pics are 'carefully selected' to show who I think his better is in fact better.
but they are carefully selected in terms of distance from stage, particular pose etc
they are the best possible comparisons you can get.
and because they expose your bullshit, you hate them.
tough shit. deal with it.
shawn had a much better physique than dexter.
deal with that too.
meltdown ;)
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???
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He did beat a subpar Levrone and he couldn't touch Kevin at his best
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He did beat a subpar Levrone and he couldn't touch Kevin at his best
DAMN RIGHT ;D
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shawn had a better package....and is better loooking... no homo :-X
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shawn had a much better physique than dexter. and all the comparisons show it.
deal with that too.
not the comparisons i have witnessed.
yes shawn has bigger quads also. so thats quads and calves - pity about everything else (that you seem to be ignoring)
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Dex was mr o, Shawn wasnt, just goes to show how bbing has regressed.
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Dex was mr o, Shawn wasnt, just goes to show how bbing has regressed.
yup. shawn was better yet could not take the title..as I said and many others have said, dex won the title because of the regression of the sport.
not because he was better than flex, shawn etc at their bests..
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lol i love how the selective pics for comparison come out in defence of shawn.
and rather than debate blocky legs- its about the leg size.
having a huge quad doesnt make a balances physique.
shawn flattens out in all his poses. Dex is a cartoon.
Dex is better than shawn ever was..period.
Shawn beats Dex in one pose, and its conditioning that gets him there..the rear DB. And we've seen loads of pics to make that point...well thats great.
But ND posted the series of pics that smash Ray out of the park.
And Hulkster you even proved yourself wrong by showing Dex and Ray relaxed. Dex kills Ray. Again, Ray goes all flat like a pancake with noi dramatic taper and is very heavy on the bottom half.
Dex looks like a statue of perfection.
I cant help you if you cant see it. The judges saw it, so im ok with being accused as not knowing anything despite following this sport for 25 years.
Regarding the competition comparison- this is moot also as you could then extend that argument to Haney's reign and you could bag Gaspari, and then go right back to the late 70s and early 80s Mr.Os. Heck, why not go further back and acuse Arnold of competing against soft competition and lack of numbers?
The 2000s was the era of massive monsters. Never since Dickerson of the Mr.O has a short man taken the overall. And Dex did it. Against guys who massively outweighed him also.
On top of that Dex has consistently placed better than Ray did throughout his career, and if you look through the competitors several still compete from Ray's era (who competed against Dex), and Many now have Ray's contemporaries as scalps.
Aesthetically the 90s were better, but the judging criteria shifted and heralded mass.
That makes Dex's win even more significant.
The real comparison is Labrada..not Ray. Labrada beat Ray throughout his career yet where's the comparison to Dex?..Labrada had fewer flaws, better presentation, and placed higher than Ray virtually every time they competed.
I grew up watching Ray and never had him better than 3rd or 4th- even 5th at the O's. He looked good, but not as good as your shit filled eyes see it.
Levrone was much better, and so was Taylor. Dex is better than both those guys also.
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LOL
I cant help you if you cant see it. The judges saw it, so im ok with being accused as not knowing anything despite following this sport for 25 years.
no, the judges saw dex as the best onstage at the time.
however, that best was far below the standard of past years..and below that of a peak shawn ray.
that is something that everyone seems to be able to see (notice how everyone is speaking of how the sport has gone downhill) but you seem to be too delusional to accept..
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lol i love how the selective pics for comparison come out in defence of shawn.
and rather than debate blocky legs- its about the leg size.
having a huge quad doesnt make a balances physique.
shawn flattens out in all his poses. Dex is a cartoon.
Dex is better than shawn ever was..period.
Shawn beats Dex in one pose, and its conditioning that gets him there..the rear DB. And we've seen loads of pics to make that point...well thats great.
But ND posted the series of pics that smash Ray out of the park.
And Hulkster you even proved yourself wrong by showing Dex and Ray relaxed. Dex kills Ray. Again, Ray goes all flat like a pancake with noi dramatic taper and is very heavy on the bottom half.
Dex looks like a statue of perfection.
I cant help you if you cant see it. The judges saw it, so im ok with being accused as not knowing anything despite following this sport for 25 years.
Regarding the competition comparison- this is moot also as you could then extend that argument to Haney's reign and you could bag Gaspari, and then go right back to the late 70s and early 80s Mr.Os. Heck, why not go further back and acuse Arnold of competing against soft competition and lack of numbers?
The 2000s was the era of massive monsters. Never since Dickerson of the Mr.O has a short man taken the overall. And Dex did it. Against guys who massively outweighed him also.
On top of that Dex has consistently placed better than Ray did throughout his career, and if you look through the competitors several still compete from Ray's era (who competed against Dex), and Many now have Ray's contemporaries as scalps.
Aesthetically the 90s were better, but the judging criteria shifted and heralded mass.
That makes Dex's win even more significant.
The real comparison is Labrada..not Ray. Labrada beat Ray throughout his career yet where's the comparison to Dex?..Labrada had fewer flaws, better presentation, and placed higher than Ray virtually every time they competed.
I grew up watching Ray and never had him better than 3rd or 4th- even 5th at the O's. He looked good, but not as good as your shit filled eyes see it.
Levrone was much better, and so was Taylor. Dex is better than both those guys also.
Great post ! spot-on about Labrada who was much better than Ray
typical Hulkster backfire and then gets ownedas usual with more experienced and knowledgeable fans.
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I love how dex is refered to as a 'statue of perfection' when he has high lats, no quad sweep, no calves, a turtle gut and a waist that forms an inverted triangle with his torso..LOL
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he is anything but..seriously.
he has the most fucked up taper in bb...superhigh lats, long long toro, and hips that are wider at the base than at where his lats insert..
the exact OPPOSITE of what you want..
lose the delusion and come to grips with reality.
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I love how dex is refered to as a 'statue of perfection' when he has high lats, no quad sweep, no calves, a turtle gut and a waist that forms an inverted triangle with his torso..LOL
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he is anything but..seriously.
he has the most fucked up taper in bb...superhigh lats, long long toro, and hips that are wider at the base than at where his lats insert..
the exact OPPOSITE of what you want..
lose the delusion and come to grips with reality.
Shawn has flaws as well , short legs , long torso , narrow ass clavicles , I mean I could go on but it's a moot point , Dexter has more mass , he's wider and has equal or better conditioning , balance is a toss up Dexter wins because of this
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?..Labrada had fewer flaws, better presentation, and placed higher than Ray virtually every time they competed.
wrong. because Ray improved by a lot post 92 onwards and from then on he beat Labrada every time.
93 is a great example. both in top shape. Shawn beats Labrada..
but back in 90, before shawn had peaked, Labrada won..
Labrada simply beat shawn before shawn had really hit his stride, much the same way as everyone beat Ronnie before he hit his stride.
but compare peak shawn and peak Labrada, and its Shawn every time, just as 93 showed quite clearly..
then gets ownedas usual with more experienced and knowledgeable fans
more experienced and knowledgable fan my ass. ::)
he is as delusional as you are :P
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I love how dex is refered to as a 'statue of perfection' when he has high lats, no quad sweep, no calves, a turtle gut and a waist that forms an inverted triangle with his torso..LOL
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he is anything but..seriously.
he has the most fucked up taper in bb...superhigh lats, long long toro, and hips that are wider at the base than at where his lats insert..
the exact OPPOSITE of what you want..
lose the delusion and come to grips with reality.
I agree that his lats are a little high; however, the rest of your statement consists of your typical exagerrations that have no basis whatsoever. For fucksake, it would be close between Dorian and Ronnie, and it would also be close between Dexter and S.Ray.
I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.
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wrong. because Ray improved by a lot post 92 onwards and from then on he beat Labrada every time.
93 is a great example. both in top shape. Shawn beats Labrada..
but back in 90, before shawn had peaked, Labrada won..
Labrada simply beat shawn before shawn had really hit his stride, much the same way as everyone beat Ronnie before he hit his stride.
but compare peak shawn and peak Labrada, and its Shawn every time, just as 93 showed quite clearly..
more experienced fan my ass. ::)
Labrada only lost to ray ONCE and Ray didn't improve much through his career he was a 196 at the Nationals and at his best he was 205 pounds ::)
Labrada kills Ray in balance & proportion , aesthetics and posing , Ray had a tad more size ::)
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Labrada kills Ray in balance & proportion , aesthetics and posing , Ray had a tad more size
nonsense. there is a good reason why Labrada lost to shawn in 93. and why he looks on with disappointment as shawn and flex battle it out.
he was not as good. hell, look at the double bi comparison. shawn kills him. hence, why Labrada lost. and always would to a peak shawn ray..
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Labrada could not hang with flex and shawn.
he was not as good as either of them when they were 'on'
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Labrada could not hang with flex and shawn.
he was not as good as either of them when they were 'on'
I agree with this statement. Labrada was too small to hang with Flex or Ray when they nailed it. However, the bottom line is that it would be close between Dexter and Shawn--it is a great comparison as I have stated all along. On the one hand Dexter has just as good of conditioning as Ray and is larger; however, Ray was able to finish ahead of BBs such as Levrone, Wheeler, Cormier, etc. in his career. I suspect that there would shows in which Dex would place higher and also shows in which Ray would place higher.
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nonsense. there is a good reason why Labrada lost to shawn in 93. and why he looks on with disappointment as shawn and flex battle it out.
he was not as good. hell, look at the double bi comparison. shawn kills him. hence, why Labrada lost. and always would to a peak shawn ray..
There is a good reason Lee kicked Shawn's ass every other time they met , Shawn beat him fucking once you idiot , Lee has more pro wins , Lee has a more balanced and aesthetic physique , Lee owns Shawn
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I agree with this statement. Labrada was too small to hang with Flex or Ray when they nailed it.
now try and explain that to NarcissiticDelusionalboy . he just doesn't get it.. ::)
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I agree that his lats are a little high; however, the rest of your statement consists of your typical exagerrations that have no basis whatsoever. For fucksake, it would be close between Dorian and Ronnie, and it would also be close between Dexter and S.Ray.
I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.
Damn sick shots of Dex! That last one his rear lat spread is huge, like a mini-Ronnie
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now try and explain that to NarcissiticDelusionalboy . he just doesn't get it.. ::)
You're the idiot who doesn't ' get it ' Lee constantly beat Shawn has more pro wins and a better physique
and I'm sure you'll agree Shawn was just to small to compete with Dorian ::) oh wait NO Lee's t small but Shawn's not , hypocrite much?
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I agree that his lats are a little high; however, the rest of your statement consists of your typical exagerrations that have no basis whatsoever. For fucksake, it would be close between Dorian and Ronnie, and it would also be close between Dexter and S.Ray.
I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.
Hahahahaha Hulkster getting bitch slapped again
As usual Hulkster is way off the mark and far from reality , Dexter isn't even close this statement alone proves how fucking stupid he is
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I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.
because even dexter's fucked up taper was still better than some of the refrigerators he stood next to onstage.
hence, part of why he won. but would not win in the 90's and would have lost to Ray.
its very simple.
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I have never been a fan of Labrada. I admit he had a perfectly symmetrical physique and was an awesome poser. However, he was just to small IMO to compete with the likes of Haney, Yates, and even Ray, Wheeler etc. I am aware, however, that he constantly placed competitively. To me, he seemed to have more of an late 80s era physique than a peak 90s era physique, if that makes any sense.
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ND is a fan because labrada is white.
he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique
eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..
to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.
but not to ND. skin colour takes priority. ::)
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I have never been a fan of Labrada. I admit he had a perfectly symmetrical physique and was an awesome poser. However, he was just to small IMO to compete with the likes of Haney, Yates, and even Ray, Wheeler etc. I am aware, however, that he constantly placed competitively. To me, he seemed to have more of an late 80s era physique than a peak 90s era physique, if that makes any sense.
Labrada was in fact quite competitive with Haney and he gave him quite a run for his money in 1990 and Ray ::) Lee only lost once to Ray , he consistently beat him
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because even dexter's fucked up taper was still better than some of the refrigerators he stood next to onstage.
hence, part of why he won. but would not win in the 90's and would have lost to Ray.
its very simple.
I disagree. Yes, Cutler was completely off in 08 which allowed Dexter to win; however, Dexter beat a very good Cormier at the Arnold and also has placed consistenly ahead of Heath (who is far from fridge-like). Dexter has also placed ahead of Levrone. Both Cormier and Levrone have placed ahead of Ray, yes? Thus, it would seem that Dexter could also place ahead of Ray.
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he consistently beat him
only when he was not in top shape. if he was holding a bit of water, Labrada won.
he was dry as a bone in 93 and guess what? he won.
people keep telling you this, but you just don't get it.
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ND is a fan because labrada is white.
he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique
eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..
to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.
but not to ND. skin colour takes priority. ::)
hahahahahaha meltdown
Labrada is hispanic you fucking idiot he's Cuban ;)
stop projecting your latent racism on me , you're the guy who referred to Dorian as the blocky white guy and it's YOU who constantly picks block guys over white , I just pick the better ones over the worse ones ;) and the facts back me up
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meltdown :P
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Labrada was in fact quite competitive with Haney and he gave him quite a run for his money in 1990 and Ray ::) Lee only lost once to Ray , he consistently beat him
Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself. His presentation was also awesome. However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive. Just my opinion.
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only when he was not in top shape. if he was holding a bit of water, Labrada won.
he was dry as a bone in 93 and guess what? he won.
people keep telling you this, but you just don't get it.
You have NO facts to back up any of your claims as usual
Labrada constantly beat Ray , this is a FACT regardless of how Shawn showed up and Shawn only beat Lee because Lee competed in the spring shows and wasn't on-par at the Olympia and if he was it would be business as usual , Lee beats Ray
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meltdown :P
Exactly what it is when you're reduced to crying racism without knowing Labrada is Hispanic you fucking moron lmfao
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Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself. His presentation was also awesome. However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive. Just my opinion.
He was small but he had so much more than size which is why he never placed out of the top 5 in any competition .
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check out ND being owned by all of getbig in a labrada vs ray thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80524.0
I love this quote from Mindspin:
You guys are relentless!!! ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.
hahahaha so true.
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check out ND being owned by all of getbig in a labrada vs ray thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80524.0
I love this quote from Mindspin:
hahahaha so true.
Wow the old argument ad populum ::) Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two
And my biases is the judging criteria so I'll take that as a compliment
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Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two
::)
when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.
period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.
Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.
not when he was in top shape: as it is quite easy to see:
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when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.
period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.
Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.
not when he was in top shape.
Again moron Lee wasn't his best in 1993 which is the ONLY time Ray beat him , what part of he competed in the springs shows did you miss? 93 Arnold where he placed second only to a career best Flex and same with the Ironman
Lee owns Ray it's a fact and all the bitching and moaning don't change em , as usual I back up my claims with facts and YOU can't ;)
I'm still laughing at Lee is white LMMFAO epic moron backfire
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LOL so now you are saying labrada wasn't at his best in 93? funny you go and read the Flex mag olympia review, they disagree with you..
and they are correct.
in fact, they specifically mention that Lee "fails to obtain the deep cuts of his contemporaries"
even the Flex writers know Labrada was inferior to Ray when Ray was 'on'.
but no, ND is right LOL
::) ::)
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LOL so now you are saying labrada wasn't at his best in 93? funny you go and read the Flex mag olympia review, they disagree with you..
and they are correct.
in fact, they specifically mention that Lee "fails to obtain the deep cuts of his contemporaries"
even the Flex writers know Labrada was inferior to Ray when Ray was 'on'.
but no, ND is right LOL
::) ::)
He absolutely was NOT his best at the Olympia and why? 93 Arnold 93 Ironman , Shawn ONLY competed in the Olympia so he was on-point for the O and which is the reason he finally beat Lee ONCE and only once ;)
and I don't believe a single quote you type , I've busted you on two separate occasions making quote up before and now you're quoting Flex magazine writers ? how about all of them that said Dorian murdered Ray? oh let's forget about Flex writers then , HYPOCRITE-Hulkster strikes again ;)
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of course you don't believe the quote.
you don't believe the thousands of quotes out there that specifically refute all your bullshit on a regular basis.. ::)
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of course you don't believe the quote.
you don't believe the thousands of quotes out there that specifically refute all your bullshit on a regular basis.. ::)
Hahahahaha shut the fuck up hypocrite , you denied every single quote especially the ones from Ronnie when he said Dorian would kick his ass ;)
another thread Hulkster is getting frustrated because he can't produce any facts what so ever and has to try race pleas lmmfao I own you and your frustration level confirms this and hence why you're trying to distance yourself from Dexter because I showed how he owns Shawn ;)
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Lee owns Ray it's a fact
according to you.
and no one else.
and its easy to see why: ::)
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when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.
period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.
Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.
not when he was in top shape: as it is quite easy to see:
hmmm, in that shot you can see that Shawn was drier in the hammies and glutes than Flex was...but Flex still deserved 2nd place.
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according to you.
and no one else.
and its easy to see why: ::)
Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS
Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique
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Back to the topic seeing Hulkster like to hi-jack threads
Shawn who?
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hahahahahahahaha no carefully selected pics needed
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Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS
Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique
FACT - when both showed up in top shape in 1993, Lee lost miserably.
FACT - Lee could not touch Shawn's 1994 Olympia physique.
FACT - neither could DEXTER.
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Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison
yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.
your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.
shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.
and it eats you up inside.
that much is quite clear.
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Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself. His presentation was also awesome. However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive. Just my opinion.
pretty fair comment..that he looked perfect on his own. However it was the 1990 mr.o that i became aware of how good Lee really was. I had him ahead of haney and yates and it was very evident in the final comparisons...thats if you can get past the idea that the guy with the most piles of muscles is the winner that is.
in 88 shawn ray was an up and comer...he hit his peak in the early 1990s, whilst Labrada was still around and beating him- even as he was getting old.
even the year shawn ray won the AC, Labrada beat him in the 'O.
I still find it humorous that you continually post ray's signature back pose to illustrate your point despite it already being conceded.
Where Dex dominates is when you take Dex's best form pics, from any angle, and compare to Ray's best. Dex wins. I'm sure i could find pics that show Ray looking better than Dex if i looked around and got the lights and angles right and left out some comparisons.
Same for Labrada.
But on stage, Labrada had a more complete, better balanced, conditioned, and less flawed package than Ray.
For lord's sake Hulkster, you'd think that SR was a god the way you go on about him. He was about a 4th-5th placed Bodybuilder of his era and in one year did manage to get it right when the others werent exactly sparkling. Arguably the worst Mr.Os were in the mid 1990s- 1995 was crap..loo at the names after Shawn...they are BB also rans, 1993 Shawn brung it, and Lee doing his last before retiring. 1996 had a fucked up yates and ray still didnt win. same for 1997. look who shawn beat in 1997...not exactly notable champs in the sport.
Back to Dex. For a number of years many have thought that he should be Mr.O. Not just for the year he was awarded it. The way BB is these days is crap. No one wants to look like a wide waisted, bloated fridge, or a person with piles of meat hanging in all places.
Dex has the most complete physique thats ever stepped in stage. Forget Flex- hes a cheat with implants and arms...thats it. They should ban implants in BB.
Shawn's FDB is really crap. I dont see what anyone would like about it. His whole physique washes away in that pose. His side poses make him look like a hobbit, and front leg poses like a fire hydrant. That leaves his excellent rear double bi and so so rear lat spread.
Thats why he kept getting beat by Labrada. Labrada looked good from all angles..maybe not sensational in any one, but no flaws except for his size.
The only flaw Dex brings is his calves.
So no matter how you dice it, as usual it comes down to who has the most flaws. Jay's is his huge waist, dex is his calves, Ray's FDB and blocky legs and narrow structure, Flex and nothing more to offer than dynamite arms and shoulders...and so on.
Next is the freaky factor..Dex has it in spades. Ray is a yawn.
Jay brings it with size.
So maybe we should agree to disagree? For me its Dex and daylight before Ray. And Labrada ahead of Ray also. Pretty much how he placed back in the day- around 4th or 5th.
Maybe me and the judges are wrong and Hulkster, you are right?
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FACT - when both showed up in top shape in 1993, Lee lost miserably.
FACT - Lee could not touch Shawn's 1994 Olympia physique.
FACT - neither could DEXTER.
sorry, you tried to go with ND who did post facts...yet you did not.
For your first comment, it is not fact that both showed up in top shape, it is opinion. Secondly, Ray edged out Labrada on points by a single place.
your second "Fact", is again not a fact at all. its your opinion again.
Your third is yet another opinion.
Do you understand what a fact is?
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yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.
your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.
shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.
and it eats you up inside.
that much is quite clear.
compulsories idiot.
not comparing signature poses.
you are losing ground big time now. starting to look a bit silly really.
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Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS
Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique
to be fair, technically your last point isnt a fact.
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yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.
your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.
shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.
and it eats you up inside.
that much is quite clear.
Your a moron.
Impartial my ass. Clearly the photo of Dex is on an angle, negating his vastly superior width. Not to mention you always manage to find pics where the BB youre arguing against are clearly off their normal conditioningOr are simply terrible photos.
Get honest with yourself. Shawn couldnt beat Dex at their respective bests.
Oh, I like Shaws build better too. That doesn't mean he'd win though.
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not one of them was outrightly better than the other. If they competed with eachother, they would trade higher placings from show to show. Kind of like Levrone, Wheeler, and Ray did. Sometimes Wheeler would be ahead of the other two, sometimes Levrone. Likewise, sometimes Jackson would place ahead of Ray, sometimes Ray would place ahead of Dexter.
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disagree. Dex would beat Ray every time.
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Hulkster clearly knows as much about Bodybuilding as I do about hieroglyphics. Labrada in '89 and '90 had one of the best and most complete physiques ever combined with perfect presentation. Yes, he was small and lacked size considering what the standards already were. But Shawn was never that much better than him and never had such a balanced physique. He only had size over Labrada but still not enough size to win. Labrada came much closer to winning the 'O and with being arguably "small". Which means he had everything else right. Shawn was playing a big guys' game but was too far from them. And after seing all these pics, I'd have to agree that Dex at his best would probably have the edge on Ray.
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Wow the old argument ad populum ::) Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two
And my biases is the judging criteria so I'll take that as a compliment
I actually think Dexter would win too, but not because of the career thing. Would Zane beat Ray? Would Chris Dickerson beat someone like Mike Francois who never did particularly well at the O? I think Dexter was bigger with as-good-or-better condition than Ray, the same reasons Yates beat Ray, and in-shape Levrone, Flex Cormier etc.
So on that basis I think Ray's amazing shape would always lose out to a bodybuilder fitting that description. Jay lost to Dexter because his condition that year was whaaack.
Still, though, it would ultimately rest on early 90s judging vs late noughties judging. Ray would possibly win by 1990 standards, but even by '94 big+condition+vaguely symmetrical = victory, regardless of exceptional lines/shape etc. This is how Ronnie beat everyone for years, even when his gut was at its worst.
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wrong. because Ray improved by a lot post 92 onwards and from then on he beat Labrada every time.
93 is a great example. both in top shape. Shawn beats Labrada..
but back in 90, before shawn had peaked, Labrada won..
Labrada simply beat shawn before shawn had really hit his stride, much the same way as everyone beat Ronnie before he hit his stride.
but compare peak shawn and peak Labrada, and its Shawn every time, just as 93 showed quite clearly..
more experienced and knowledgable fan my ass. ::)
he is as delusional as you are :P
Are you smoking that stuff?
Last time I checked, Ray beat Labrada.....ONCE at the Olympia.
Let me repeat that: Ray beat Labrada (who's at least 10 lbs. SMALLER and 2 inches shorter).....ONCE!!!!
Six times Labrada and Ray went head up at the O; five times Ray came out on the losing end ('88, '89, '90, '91, '92).
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my point is he beat a subpar Mr. Levrone
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And....
It happens, just as Cutler beat a "subpar" Coleman and Jackson beat a "subpar" Cutler.
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you know what is really funny and a testiment to how much better shawn was than dexter?
answer: his 1987 nationals rear double bi was better than Dexter's Mr. O winning rear double bi:
thats just how much better shawn was:
nice try dexter nuthuggers, but you lose:
Dexter Jackson....... MR. OLYMPIA
Shawn Ray.........not
YOU LOSE!!!
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ND is a fan because labrada is white.
he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique
eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..
to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.
but not to ND. skin colour takes priority. ::)
Isn't Labrada Cuban?
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Wow Hulkster.. your taking a beating in this thread....
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Wow Hulkster.. your taking a beating in this thread....
Well, in Hulkster's defense, it must be hard to put up a good fight when you have Ronnie's dick in your mouth and Shawn's in your ass 24/7.
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shawn ray is way above dexters level
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And....
It happens, just as Cutler beat a "subpar" Coleman and Jackson beat a "subpar" Cutler.
what are you babbling about?
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Damn sick shots of Dex! That last one his rear lat spread is huge, like a mini-Ronnie
i agree completely - i have always thought that of dex in the back shots - only dex has better conditioning, symmetry and balance.
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Dex has the most complete physique thats ever stepped in stage. Forget Flex- hes a cheat with implants and arms...thats it. They should ban implants in BB.
i agree completely - there is no one that can compare, and if he were 4 " taller he would be without doubt recognised as the greatest bodybuilder of all time - and untouchable until he retires
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Isn't Labrada Cuban?
Yup lmfao Hulkster is getting very frustrated when he resorts to this bullshit.
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Wow Hulkster.. your taking a beating in this thread....
He is , that's what happens when you don't know what you're talking about and act like you do and make blanket statements and personally attack people , every post he exposes himself as the ignorant troll he is.
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shawn ray is way above dexters level
yup. seems like there are many who are smart enough to agree with me.
notice how the same dorian nuthuggers are the same ones on this thread nuthugging dex.
I guess if you are stupid enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, you are stupid enough to think dex was better than shawn... ::) :-\
how sad. but I guess stupid is stupid.
no matter what thread it might be in.. :-\
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sorry, you tried to go with ND who did post facts...yet you did not.
For your first comment, it is not fact that both showed up in top shape, it is opinion. Secondly, Ray edged out Labrada on points by a single place.
your second "Fact", is again not a fact at all. its your opinion again.
Your third is yet another opinion.
Do you understand what a fact is?
Great post!
Hulkster doesn't know what facts are which is exactly why he he runs through his spiel of posting two very carefully selected pics add a dash of hyperbole and a pinch of ad hominem and you have the base for a Hulkster ' argument ' and everyone once in a while he add in the appeal to numbers , he just hits every faulty argument he can
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yup. seems like there are many who are smart enough to agree with me.
notice how the same dorian nuthuggers are the same ones on this thread nuthugging dex.
I guess if you are stupid enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, you are stupid enough to think dex was better than shawn... ::) :-\
how sad. but I guess stupid is stupid.
no matter what thread it might be in.. :-\
Do you understand what a fact is?
Hulkster you never answered the question ;)
and you just proved my fucking point to the letter
he runs through his spiel of posting two very carefully selected pics add a dash of hyperbole and a pinch of ad hominem and you have the base for a Hulkster ' argument ' and everyone once in a while he add in the appeal to numbers , he just hits every faulty argument he can
lmmfao Hulkster it's amazing how stupid and predictable you are
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hey dorian/dex nuthuggers:
are you really this stupid to think dex is better?:
enjoy:
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Do you understand what a fact is?
Hulkster you never answered the question
yes I understand perfectly what a fact is.
and it is fact that according to proper application of judging standards, shawns 94 olympia physique is better than dex's olympia winning physique.
for many many reasons. better structure, better lines, better detail, better entire lower body etc.
this argument is just as stupid as dorian vs ronnie..
but you are two dumb to see it. but then again, who would expect you to with your proven track record of stupidity?
no one.
and I would like to point out how once again you are doing your best to discredit all the comparisons, because they show quite clearly how much better shawn was.
the only edge dex has is lat width. but that never stopped shawn from beating much wider guys, like dillett
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yes I understand perfectly what a fact is.
and it is fact that according to proper application of judging standards, shawns 94 olympia physique is better than dex's olympia winning physique.
for many many reasons. better structure, better lines, better detail, better entire lower body etc.
this argument is just as stupid as dorian vs ronnie..
but you are two dumb to see it. but then again, who would expect you to with your proven track record of stupidity?
no one.
and I would like to point out how once again you are doing your best to discredit all the comparisons, because they show quite clearly how much better shawn was.
the only edge dex has is lat width. but that never stopped shawn from beating much wider guys, like dillett
You don't even know the IFBB judging criteria , I've proven many times how little you know about how contests are judged. And you just missed everything you tried to claim was a fact LMMFAO
And just like I said
he runs through his spiel of posting two very carefully selected pics add a dash of hyperbole and a pinch of ad hominem and you have the base for a Hulkster ' argument ' and everyone once in a while he add in the appeal to numbers , he just hits every faulty argument he can
You're taking another beating in a thread that you try and post in as knowing something and are reduced to race claims from a guy who isn't even ' white ' lmmfao
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Well, in Hulkster's defense, it must be hard to put up a good fight when you have Ronnie's dick in your mouth and Shawn's in your ass 24/7.
Ouch :-X he alternates between Ray and Coleman ;D
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Sorry, but again, Dexter competed in an era that is far inferior in terms of worthy competitors, compared to that of Shawn's flock of competitors.
Shawn placed HIGH with a PRIME Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Dilett, Cormier, Nasser, Taylor, etc....
Shawn's overall physique is far better than Dexters.
I completely agree with Hulkster on this one. I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground. If we're only looking at Dexter's Olympia win, of course we can say he was better, but if we at who he had to beat to achieve first place, the case is over. Everything else is just biases and anger and pettiness on the part of the old married couples on here.
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Sorry, but again, Dexter competed in an era that is far inferior in terms of worthy competitors, compared to that of Shawn's flock of competitors.
Shawn placed HIGH with a PRIME Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Dilett, Cormier, Nasser, Taylor, etc....
Shawn's overall physique is far better than Dexters.
I completely agree with Hulkster on this one. I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground. If we're only looking at Dexter's Olympia win, of course we can say he was better, but if we at who he had to beat to achieve first place, the case is over. Everything else is just biases and anger and pettiness on the part of the old married couples on here.
The Olympia has nothing to do with it. I mean on a base level their physique are very comparable and Dexter has advantages Shawn doesn't it's that simple, Both are the exact same height yet Dex carries more muscular bulk and it's not size for the sake of size because he maintains a conditioning level at least as good if not better.
Dex has a better base , wider clavicles , wider back , both have a similar length toros and leg length but Shawn's quads are squared off compared to Dexter , both have high calves but Shawn has the edge here , I mean it's close on a lot of areas you can't just type Shawn blows him out the water because it's simply not true , you can prefer Shawn's look more than Dexter but that doesn't mean anything when contests are judged
According to the criteria Dexter meets it better , size , conditioning , balance etc
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Sorry, but again, Dexter competed in an era that is far inferior in terms of worthy competitors, compared to that of Shawn's flock of competitors.
Shawn placed HIGH with a PRIME Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Dilett, Cormier, Nasser, Taylor, etc....
Shawn's overall physique is far better than Dexters.
I completely agree with Hulkster on this one. I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground. If we're only looking at Dexter's Olympia win, of course we can say he was better, but if we at who he had to beat to achieve first place, the case is over. Everything else is just biases and anger and pettiness on the part of the old married couples on here.
well said. but ND and co. are not smart enough to apply the criteria correctly, so they mistakenly believe that dex is better, just as they are stupid enough to think that dorian was better than Ronnie.
sad sad sad.
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well said. but ND and co. are not smart enough to apply the criteria correctly, so they mistakenly believe that dex is better, just as they are stupid enough to think that dorian was better than Ronnie.
sad sad sad.
There you go again NO content what so ever , NO elaboration of your ' opinion ' just base claims , personal attacks and hyperbole.
You're so desperate for anyone to agree with you , another case of you seeking comfort in numbers
You don't even know the criteria
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it's not size for the sake of size because he maintains a conditioning level at least as good if not better.
completely and totally 100% WRONG:
the reason you are getting this so backwards is you are basing your argument on total lies.. ::)
much like you do in the dorian ronnie fiasco, which is just as silly as this thread.
shawn had much better conditioning than dex, easily:
stop posting bullshit and you might get it right for a change.. ::)
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There you go again NO content what so ever
no, the comparisons in this thread are the most profound content posted.
and they show you are wrong, hence why you make up bullshit reasons to discredit them.
much as you do in the dorian ronnie threads.
as always, real life is ND's worst enemy..nothing changes.
in fact, muscletime is ND's most hated site, because it has great pics that show just how wrong ND is..
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I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground.
no need. shawn was far far above dex, whether he won a Mr. O title in the worst competitive era in the sport since the early 60's or not..
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completely and totally 100% WRONG:
the reason you are getting this so backwards is you are basing your argument on total lies.. ::)
much like you do in the dorian ronnie fiasco, which is just as silly as this thread.
shawn had much better conditioning than dex, easily:
stop posting bullshit and you might get it right for a change.. ::)
More hyperbole and NO content
Shawn is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO much better and SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more ripped and Dex isn't even in Shawn's league EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRR ::)
spoken like the complete idiot you are ;)
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no, the comparisons in this thread are the most profound content posted.
and they show you are wrong, hence why you make up bullshit reasons to discredit them.
much as you do in the dorian ronnie threads.
as always, real life is ND's worst enemy..nothing changes.
in fact, muscletime is ND's most hated site, because it has great pics that show just how wrong ND is..
Same old Hulkster posts carefully selected pics and cries ' see ' come back when you learn what facts are ummmmK ;)
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yes, my comparisons are carefully selected to be as fair as possible.
you just hate them because they expose you for being flat out wrong. ::)
you always run from comparisons, they always show your lack of knowledge and lies that you post.
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yes, my comparisons are carefully selected to be as fair as possible.
you just hate them because they expose you for being flat out wrong. ::)
you always run from comparisons, they always show your lack of knowledge and lies that you post.
Facts , you really should spend more time with learning what facts are and less time with personal attacks but we all know that's all you have with is always a poor substitute for content
your slanted ' comparisons ' are legendary even people who agree Ronnie is better laugh at your blatant bias and stupidity
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my comparisons are not slanted at all.
they are as fair as possible, like this one. same shot, fair distance away, about as fair as you can get.
you just hate it because shawn blows dex off the stage and there is nothing you can do about it:
far superior back thanks to great detail, calves glutes and hams all far superior.
not even close.
yet you claim the comparisons are slanted just because your man loses miserably.
yeah, you make a lot of sense.. ???
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my comparisons are not slanted at all.
they are as fair as possible, like this one. same shot, fair distance away, about as fair as you can get.
you just hate it because shawn blows dex off the stage and there is nothing you can do about it:
far superior back thanks to great detail, calves glutes and hams all far superior.
not even close.
yet you claim the comparisons are slanted just because your man loses miserably.
yeah, you make a lot of sense.. ???
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my comparisons are not slanted at all.
they are as fair as possible
lmfao
enough said
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This is just as debateable as "who's better Aikman or Marino".
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Hulkster clearly knows as much about Bodybuilding as I do about hieroglyphics. Labrada in '89 and '90 had one of the best and most complete physiques ever combined with perfect presentation. Yes, he was small and lacked size considering what the standards already were. But Shawn was never that much better than him and never had such a balanced physique. He only had size over Labrada but still not enough size to win. Labrada came much closer to winning the 'O and with being arguably "small". Which means he had everything else right. Shawn was playing a big guys' game but was too far from them. And after seing all these pics, I'd have to agree that Dex at his best would probably have the edge on Ray.
Labrada is probably the most under rated BB ever- especially by those who never saw him in action.
Still, as good as Lee was, I personally would have Dex ahead of him also...in this order, Dex, Labrada, then Ray.
So for me this argument isnt about Ray being better than Dex, its about Putting Ray fan boys in their place- Ray was a 4th-5th placing BB. Simple as that.
Dex should be Mr.O again, and probablly one time prior to his actual win also. Labrada shouldve gotten 1 or 2 Mr.O's.
Isnt BB about the most pleasing physique?
not so eh?
And for "high lats". For me they arent an abberation like many others think- in many ways they are a spectacle of dramatic v taper. I see it as a strength on some physiques in fact. Dex is one of them. For calves, well Dex might not have them jutting out but they arent missing like Wolf's or Flex's were. They are more like Haney's used to be. There but not freaky.
Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me. I dont rate him at all. Great in his most muscular and his read DB. Thats it.
Dex looks like a freak from many angles..the black and white pics posted in this thread are amazing. Post the same of Jay and people will complain about his massive waist because, well, it is massive.
post Labrada and you get perfect balance without the freak angle, but you get all bodyparts.
Labrada didnt win because of Haney. Ray didnt win because of Yates, Dex didnt win because of Cutler and Coleman...but then he did beat Cutler. And Cutler wasnt massively off that year, just a tad. Dex is what modern BB is about.
He doesnt use calf implants to compensate..thats why Flex W isnt mentioned at all. You should not win a big contest with implants..period.
I'm glad Nasser didnt win- hes everything about BB that people hate.
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ND always whines like a little bitch after real life stage comparisons expose his heros as getting owned..
this thread is no different than the rest of them.
excellent comparisons of the same shots onstage always expose ND's hero's as second best to whomever he happens to be comparing them with in the particular thread.
in this case, shawn owns dex from head to toe:
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Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me
I find it ironic that you are complaining about shawn's "flat chest" when it was significantly thicker than Dexter's ever was... ::)
his quads were also signifcantly better than dexters who had very little quad sweep to speak of..
dex never had pecs this thick ever: or abs this good. or quads this good either.
but like I said earlier, people seem to be putting their heads in the sand about the comparisons.
perhaps it is because they hate shawn for his mouth and the things he has said/done in the past, I don't know..
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ND always whines like a little bitch after real life stage comparisons expose his heros as getting owned..
this thread is no different than the rest of them.
excellent comparisons of the same shots onstage always expose ND's hero's as second best to whomever he happens to be comparing them with in the particular thread.
in this case, shawn owns dex from head to toe:
Hulkster, we clearly see things differently...Dex wins this comparison IMO.
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I just don't see Ray having the size to beat Dexter.
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I just don't see Ray having the size to beat Dexter.
Damn, Ray never came close to that level of muscularity.
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Dexter owned the entire Mr. O lineup in the back relaxed last year.
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Labrada is probably the most under rated BB ever- especially by those who never saw him in action.
Still, as good as Lee was, I personally would have Dex ahead of him also...in this order, Dex, Labrada, then Ray.
So for me this argument isnt about Ray being better than Dex, its about Putting Ray fan boys in their place- Ray was a 4th-5th placing BB. Simple as that.
Dex should be Mr.O again, and probablly one time prior to his actual win also. Labrada shouldve gotten 1 or 2 Mr.O's.
Isnt BB about the most pleasing physique?
not so eh?
And for "high lats". For me they arent an abberation like many others think- in many ways they are a spectacle of dramatic v taper. I see it as a strength on some physiques in fact. Dex is one of them. For calves, well Dex might not have them jutting out but they arent missing like Wolf's or Flex's were. They are more like Haney's used to be. There but not freaky.
Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me. I dont rate him at all. Great in his most muscular and his read DB. Thats it.
Dex looks like a freak from many angles..the black and white pics posted in this thread are amazing. Post the same of Jay and people will complain about his massive waist because, well, it is massive.
post Labrada and you get perfect balance without the freak angle, but you get all bodyparts.
Labrada didnt win because of Haney. Ray didnt win because of Yates, Dex didnt win because of Cutler and Coleman...but then he did beat Cutler. And Cutler wasnt massively off that year, just a tad. Dex is what modern BB is about.
He doesnt use calf implants to compensate..thats why Flex W isnt mentioned at all. You should not win a big contest with implants..period.
I'm glad Nasser didnt win- hes everything about BB that people hate.
UNDERRATED? FLEA puleeeez The only time I ever liked his physique was in 92...his mass with class year..other than thaat? Haney's record was NEVER in danger!!!!!
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Sorry, but again, Dexter competed in an era that is far inferior in terms of worthy competitors, compared to that of Shawn's flock of competitors.
Shawn placed HIGH with a PRIME Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Dilett, Cormier, Nasser, Taylor, etc....
Shawn's overall physique is far better than Dexters.
I completely agree with Hulkster on this one. I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground. If we're only looking at Dexter's Olympia win, of course we can say he was better, but if we at who he had to beat to achieve first place, the case is over. Everything else is just biases and anger and pettiness on the part of the old married couples on here.
Dexter Jackson faced many of the SAME competitors and beat them. As for your claim about "prime", again let remind you that Cormier, Levrone, and Wheeler were still winning shows and placing high in the 2000s (i.e. Levrone placing 2nd in 2000 and 2002).
And, as somebody accurately brought up, Ray could only be a MUCH SMALLER Lee Labrada ONCE. Yet, Ray's supposedly so much better than Jackson? I don't think so.
If that weren't bad enough. Dexter has more wins AT THE BIG SHOWS than Ray does (3 ASCs to Ray's lone win in 1991, and of course, there's that pesky Olympia win. Throw in the GNC and an IronMan win (along with a few others) and it's hardly a debate.
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Ray could only be a MUCH SMALLER Lee Labrada ONCE. Yet, Ray's supposedly so much better than Jackson? I don't think so.
yes, and the pics prove it quite well:
don't forget that labrada only beat shawn when shawn was off. when shawn was on, he shot past him easily.
dexter had a wider back and a bit more size, but thats his only edge. he loses in the quality department big time. and not just in the back double bi shot.
his superhigh lats and mishapen long torso would really hurt him against ray..
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damn shawn is murdering dex.. :o
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damn shawn is murdering dex.. :o
In that case Dorsett murdered Emmitt because he "ran better".
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damn shawn is murdering dex.. :o
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shawn beats Dex (he's more complete an doesn't have that huge stomach)
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shawn beats Dex (he's more complete an doesn't have that huge stomach)
Good first post.
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Dex, is what would happened had Shawn gone the Freak route, in a sense. Shawn, kept his weight down, but doesn't have that freakiness to him---more polished. In terms of freakiness, Dex wins hands down...in terms of who you want on the cover of a magazine or to represent what a bodybuilder looks like to the (ignorant) public, Shawn wins hands down.
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Lee Priest would turn over in his grave if he knew how many people thought Dexter is better than Shawn.
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Lee Priest would turn over in his grave if he knew how many people thought Dexter is better than Shawn.
That's assuming that Lee Priest is dead.
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That's assuming that Lee Priest is dead.
He is, I read it on the internet.
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He is, I read it on the internet.
Well, he has no career anymore, he's about as good as dead, no :-\?
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oopppppsssss Hulkster and his carefully selected pics are getting exposed ;D
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yes, and the pics prove it quite well:
don't forget that labrada only beat shawn when shawn was off. when shawn was on, he shot past him easily.
dexter had a wider back and a bit more size, but thats his only edge. he loses in the quality department big time. and not just in the back double bi shot.
his superhigh lats and mishapen long torso would really hurt him against ray..
Where are the facts? ??? come back and post when you have some. ;)
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Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'. There's a reason why Labrada beat Shawn everytime but once. He was better. End of story. Haney had already initiated the "more is better " trend and there you've got a guy who places high everytime while holding considerably less mass (and being shorter) than everyone else. There was a reason for that. Shawn never had a "classic physique" as good as Labrada and on the other hand not big and complete enough to touch Yates. Great Bber though, one of the best but far from being untouchable.
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Where are the facts? ??? come back and post when you have some. ;)
fact: when shawn and Labrada showed up in top shape at the same contest, Labrada looked on like a lost puppydog as shawn owned his ass:
thanks for playing.
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Where are the facts? ??? come back and post when you have some. ;)
comparisons are all the facts you need. this is bodybuilding.
it is based on comparisons. not stats on a page. sorry you think this, but you are wrong.
sorry.
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Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'
nonsense.
shawn often held a film of water in the early 90's that hurt him (eg. 1991 where he placed a disappointing 5th). granted, shawn in 'off' shape was still better than most of the lineup.
but from 93 onward he came in as dry as bone.
and not surprisingly beat many of the people that beat him before, like Levrone and Labrada.
the truth about history hurts the agendas of the nuthuggers on this thread, doesn't it? 8)
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fact: when shawn and Labrada showed up in top shape at the same contest, Labrada looked on like a lost puppydog as shawn owned his ass:
thanks for playing.
What an utterly STUPID statement!!! By that cracked logic, Ray ain't that great of a bodybuilder anyway, because he only came in "top shape" ONCE!!
Don't great bodybuilders CONSISTENLY compete at the O in great shape? If that's the case, Ray hasn't been such, because Labrada BEAT HIM 83% of the time they went head-to-head at the Olympia.
Here's a clue, Hulkster! When you face someone SIX times yet only beat him ONCE, you don't "OWN" him!!
Thanks for playing!!
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Hulkster is not worried about making stupid statements one after the other. Labrada lost only once facing Shawn and that was when he last competed at the 'O. How fuckin' biased can one be?
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nonsense.
shawn often held a film of water in the early 90's that hurt him (eg. 1991 where he placed a disappointing 5th). granted, shawn in 'off' shape was still better than most of the lineup.
but from 93 onward he came in as dry as bone.
That's his problem!!! It ain't Labrada's fault that Shawn can't ring the water out of his skin.
and not surprisingly beat many of the people that beat him before, like Levrone and Labrada.
the truth about history hurts the agendas of the nuthuggers on this thread, doesn't it? 8)
The truth about history is:
Shawn Ray holds one ASC title; Dexter Jackson has THREE.
Shawn Ray NEVER WON the Olympia; Dexter Jackson has.
Lee Labrada beat Shawn Ray's behind 5 of the 6 times they went head-to-head.
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Hulkster is not worried about making stupid statements one after the other. Labrada lost only once facing Shawn and that was when he last competed at the 'O. How fuckin' biased can one be?
LOL ::)
who the fuck cares if it was his last O. if he was in the best shape of his life for it?
duh. ::)
check the flex mag review if you don't believe me that he was in his best shape.
just because he placed 4th doesn't mean he was out of shape.
its just that Flex, dorian and shawn were just that much BETTER..because they were all in top shape.
its amazing how little some people on this board know about the 90's, probably because most are all new fans.. :-\
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what are you babbling about?
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One, I'm not babbling!!
Two, I'm making the point that your complaint about Jackson beating a "subpar" Levrone holds no weight.
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LOL ::)
who the fuck cares if it was his last O. if he was in the best shape of his life for it?
duh. ::)
check the flex mag review if you don't believe me that he was in his best shape.
just because he placed 4th doesn't mean he was out of shape.
its just that Flex, dorian and shawn were just that much BETTER..because they were all in top shape.
its amazing how little some people on this board know about the 90's, probably because most are all new fans.. :-\
It IS amazing how little some people know, and you are a PRIME EXAMPLE of such!!
Once again, facing a guy SIX times yet beating him once ain't "owning" anyone!!
Ray LOST to Labrada five times, and all the comical attempts by you at revisionist history won't change that.
Ray lost to a SMALLER, SHORTER Labrada five times. And you think he could hang with a new-millenium Jackson who (Oh, by the way) grabbed the one title that eluded Ray?
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well said. but ND and co. are not smart enough to apply the criteria correctly, so they mistakenly believe that dex is better, just as they are stupid enough to think that dorian was better than Ronnie.
sad sad sad.
What's sad is your pitiful attempts to pull revisionist history. If a competitor SMALLLER THAN RAY can consistently beat Ray, then it follows that someone BIGGER than Ray, with similar shape and proportion (ala 2008 MR. OLYMPIA, Dexter Jackson) can beat him as well.
And, like Labrada, Jackson is a virtual lock to show up SLICED. That kills your pathetic plea that Ray's repeated losses to Labrada was because poor Shawn just couldn't show up in shape.
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i dont really see how Labara beats Ray, he probably has better proportion and shape but he loses on muscle seperation, definition and size.
Ray looked freaky where as Labrada's physique was just ok
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They both look good.
Ray was great, Dexter is good too.
Hard for a 190lbs Ray to compete with 225lbs Dexter.
Just as a 160lbs BB would have a hard time beating Shawn.
Look at their arms huuge size difference.
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They both look good.
Ray was great, Dexter is good too.
Hard for a 190lbs Ray to compete with 225lbs Dexter.
Just as a 160lbs BB would have a hard time beating Shawn.
Look at their arms huuge size difference.
Ray was not 190 pounds and Dexter was not 225 pounds. Where do you people get these stats from?
Ray was in his 190's in the late 80's. He grew into his low 200's by the early 90's. Dexter was never over 210 pounds imo.
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i dont really see how Labara beats Ray, he probably has better proportion and shape but he loses on muscle seperation, definition and size.
Ray looked freaky where as Labrada's physique was just ok
no shit. but you have morons on this board (see some of the above posts) who have no idea what they are talking about.
and they love pretend that Ray was in top shape all the times he lost to Labrada too ::).
thats like saying everyone who beat Ronnie owned him as well even as he became a multi Mr. O.
duh. ::)
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Ray was not 190 pounds and Dexter was not 225 pounds. Where do you people get these stats from?
Ray was in his 190's in the late 80's. He grew into his low 200's by the early 90's. Dexter was never over 210 pounds imo.
who cares about weight - look at those comparison pics - dex > shawn
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no shit. but you have morons on this board (see some of the above posts) who have no idea what they are talking about.
That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!
and they love pretend that Ray was in top shape all the times he lost to Labrada too ::).
thats like saying everyone who beat Ronnie owned him as well even as he became a multi Mr. O.
duh. ::)
That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.
Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.
Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.
Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.
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you dexterhuggers are really going to HATE this:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112367071
hahahahahahahha
enjoy :P
ps dex can't compete with this:
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you dexterhuggers are really going to HATE this:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112367071
hahahahahahahha
enjoy :P
ps dex can't compete with this:
Let's see: 3 ASCs to one; one Olympia to NONE!!
It appears Dexter can compete just fine.
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Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.
you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.
and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.
the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.
:'(
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Let's see: 3 ASCs to one; one Olympia to NONE!!
It appears Dexter can compete just fine.
yes, when his competition is dogshit compared to what Ray faced...
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That's his problem!!! It ain't Labrada's fault that Shawn can't ring the water out of his skin.
The truth about history is:
Shawn Ray holds one ASC title; Dexter Jackson has THREE.
Shawn Ray NEVER WON the Olympia; Dexter Jackson has.
Lee Labrada beat Shawn Ray's behind 5 of the 6 times they went head-to-head.
this post about sums it up.
and BTW Ray came into each Mr.O in his best shape ever...each year getting slightly better. But each year as good as he'd ever looked.
Hulkster's also overlooking that Labrada didnt always come in at his best conditioning ever.
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you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.
and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.
the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.
:'(
great post Hulkster.. That comparison shows Dex's FDB killing Ray's flattened out FDB.
Way to ruin your argument.
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its not flattened out. its called a vaccuum, something that dexter's alien turtle gut and fucked up torso would never allow him to hit.. :P
dex couldn't touch this in a million years: :o
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you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.
and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.
the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.
:'(
You think if you just keep typing the same bullshit over and over it becomes true ::) Lee Labrada was NOT in ' top shape ' at the Olympia , he looked great however he competed in both the 1993 Arnold Classic and Ironman and had to re-peak for the Olympia so he was off the old victim of the spring shows ( if you knew anything about bodybuilding you'd know about this ) Lee and Shawn met 6 times with Lee beating Ray 5 times that means he's NOT in Lee's league and if Lee didn't enter any spring shows in 1993 he would have beaten Ray again , business as usual
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Lee didn't enter any spring shows in 1993 he would have beaten Ray again
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so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL
you are even dumber than I thought. :o
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That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!
That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.
Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.
Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.
Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.
That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!
Exactly
That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.
Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.
Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.
Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.
You make excellent points Hulkster can't use his head to think these things through , somehow Shawn is better by losing 83% of the time to Lee LMMFAO another example of his retarded logic
he tried to Argue Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the entire prejudging , the kid is a complete moron.
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he tried to Argue Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the entire prejudging , the kid is a complete moron
he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place. thats the point you don't get and never will because you lack the intelligence.
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neither lee nor dex can match this classic shot:
sorry.
and ND, as a 'lover' of classical physiques, if you were not so biased and hypocritical, you should be agreeing.
but your bias gets in the way.
if it were anyone else, you would be praising how good this is and how it was better than either Lee or Dex.
but because its Shawn, your preferences go out the window.
notice how many others called you out on this sort of thing in the last labrada ray thread that I quoted.
your biases get in the way all the time.. ::)
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so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL
you are even dumber than I thought. :o
All I see in these shots is Flex owning Shawn
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You make excellent points Hulkster
I know. and I back them up with real proof, unlike these morons who just babble and avoid posting visuals, which is the whole point of this sport.. ::)
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All I see in these shots is Flex owning Shawn
but only from the waist up. look at flex's calf implants, detailess hams etc.
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Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'. There's a reason why Labrada beat Shawn everytime but once. He was better. End of story. Haney had already initiated the "more is better " trend and there you've got a guy who places high everytime while holding considerably less mass (and being shorter) than everyone else. There was a reason for that. Shawn never had a "classic physique" as good as Labrada and on the other hand not big and complete enough to touch Yates. Great Bber though, one of the best but far from being untouchable.
Shawn Ray was the Lee Lebrada of his era, or could it be said that Lee Lebrada was the Shawn Ray of his era? I beg to differ that Shawn Ray never had a classic physique compared to Lee. He did, in fact what you see in Lee, Shawn, and Dex, is a evolution of the smaller classical phyiques adaptation to the freaky standards of each era. Each of these three were big enough to be consider classical and freaky at the same time, but smaller than the "insane" freak standards of the time. Shawn and Dex having to gain wieght in order to compete. Lee never competed over 196 pounds. Whereas Shawn was competing at 201-205 for years, then stepped up to 210-18. In actuality we can't even compared their best shapes because they competed against a diff standard. And they peaked at different ages. Shawn leaked when Lebrada was going out (Lebrada left in 96, Shawn did well in 93,94,95,96), and Dex starting peaking as Shawn went out.
Now, to me Shawn was the most aesthetic of the three, he possessed both size, shape and cuts, and in my opinion the best abs in bbing thus far. Lee was smaller, but he lacked size, there is a reason why Haney called him "Flea" Labrada. Dex is &guy than Shawn, yet has high lats from the front, and has a slight gut, but he is tight.
It is safe to say that all three have their respective weaknesses, but all three were true giant killers.
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he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place. thats the point you don't get and never will because you lack the intelligence.
You're hopeless , you really are ;)
You DO NOT dominate by losing see oxymoron
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neither lee nor dex can match this classic shot:
sorry.
and ND, as a 'lover' of classical physiques, if you were not so biased and hypocritical, you should be agreeing.
but your bias gets in the way.
if it were anyone else, you would be praising how good this is and how it was better than either Lee or Dex.
but because its Shawn, your preferences go out the window.
notice how many others called you out on this sort of thing in the last labrada ray thread that I quoted.
your biases get in the way all the time.. ::)
Lmfao everyone is calling you out for being a troll , ignorant and flat out stupid ! like me everyone has been asking you to produce any facts what so ever a task you can't do and never have been able to do
Your argument is based on bias , hyperbole , and the weakest of arguments , same shit with you post a couple of carefully selected pics and cry see ::)
come back when you can offer something other than subterfuge
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I know. and I back them up with real proof, unlike these morons who just babble and avoid posting visuals, which is the whole point of this sport.. ::)
You never once ever provided any ' real proof ' the point of the sport BTW is the IFBB judging criteria which I've shown on numerous occasions you don't know.
Your arguments are based on ignorance , bias. How the fuck can you form an intelligent opinion on who could beat who in a contest when you don't even know how contests are judged? simple....you can't.
Your whole argument is the weakest of pleas , argument ad populum , ad homenin attacks and hyperbole , you never backed up anything with any facts what so ever and on you've been corrected on this site by Bob Chic , Kevin Horton , and many people who were in attendance and best of all ME ;)
I've kicked your ass on here for years which is why you try so hard to get me back because you know I'm right and you're just another moron I corrected ;)
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so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL
you are even dumber than I thought. :o
Wow a couple of carefully selected poses which YOU think favor Shawn over Lee ::)
Lee kicked Shawn's ass 83% of the time they faced each other so to answer your question YES Lee could have beaten Shawn business as usual , if Levrone didn't tear his pec Shawn would be relegated even lower , he was a great guy to fill in when the better guys were off or out
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see this 'high lats' bullshit - it has to stop. Its some clowns fake insult that has been latched onto by other clowns who have no real excuse for why they dislike a physique.
lats are lats - high/low or whatever, they either look good or they don't.
dexters lats look fantastic, and put most including shawns narrow lats to shame.
oh and narrow lats are a valid excuse for marking someone down in a contest - high lats are not.
hope this helps.
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Here are some lats
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see this 'high lats' bullshit - it has to stop. Its some clowns fake insult that has been latched onto by other clowns who have no real excuse for why they dislike a physique.
lats are lats - high/low or whatever, they either look good or they don't.
dexters lats look fantastic, and put most including shawns narrow lats to shame.
oh and narrow lats are a valid excuse for marking someone down in a contest - high lats are not.
hope this helps.
Hulkster likes to hyperfocus on what he perceives a flaw and think he's onto something , Dex has high lats he has fucking lats , Shawn Ray's lats spreads SUCK compared to Dex so much for that flaw
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its not flattened out. its called a vaccuum, something that dexter's alien turtle gut and fucked up torso would never allow him to hit.. :P
dex may have a cute butt but couldn't touch this in a million years: :o
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great post Hulkster.. That comparison shows Dex's FDB killing Ray's flattened out FDB.
Way to ruin your argument.
Great point , Hulkster tends to backfire his posts with these ' comparisons '
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Here are some lats
are those high or low lats ? ;D
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Great point , Hulkster tends to backfire his posts with these ' comparisons '
What's up with his comment about Dexter's "cute butt"? (see my post above where I quoted it).
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are those high or low lats ? ;D
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Shawn Ray was the Lee Lebrada of his era, or could it be said that Lee Lebrada was the Shawn Ray of his era? I beg to differ that Shawn Ray never had a classic physique compared to Lee. He did, in fact what you see in Lee, Shawn, and Dex, is a evolution of the smaller classical phyiques adaptation to the freaky standards of each era. Each of these three were big enough to be consider classical and freaky at the same time, but smaller than the "insane" freak standards of the time. Shawn and Dex having to gain wieght in order to compete. Lee never competed over 196 pounds. Whereas Shawn was competing at 201-205 for years, then stepped up to 210-18. In actuality we can't even compared their best shapes because they competed against a diff standard. And they peaked at different ages. Shawn leaked when Lebrada was going out (Lebrada left in 96, Shawn did well in 93,94,95,96), and Dex starting peaking as Shawn went out.
Now, to me Shawn was the most aesthetic of the three, he possessed both size, shape and cuts, and in my opinion the best abs in bbing thus far. Lee was smaller, but he lacked size, there is a reason why Haney called him "Flea" Labrada. Dex is &guy than Shawn, yet has high lats from the front, and has a slight gut, but he is tight.
It is safe to say that all three have their respective weaknesses, but all three were true giant killers.
Lee Labrada is the Steve Reeves of his time albeit shorter , Shawn Ray was a mini-mass monster with a very nice physique as far as classic physiques Ray doesn't compare to Labrada not in structure not in balance & proportion or clavicle width
When I think of classical physiques Steve Reeves , Frank Zane , Bob Paris , Lee Labrada , Rory Leidlemeyer etc NOT Shawn Ray he doesn't meet the Greek Ideal of calves , arms and neck all the same size , he doesn't have wide clavicles , he doesn't have a balanced upper & lower body , Shawn has short legs , high calves a longish torso , heavyweights arms , lightweights torso he has way to many structural issues to be compared in a classic sense as the same as the above mentioned , which is why I believe Flex Magazine didn't have him close to many of the above mentioned in their list of the most aesthetic physiques
Labrada left in 1995 , his last contest was the Arnold , Ray really never improved over his career other than just coming in a tad sharper , he won the nationals at 196lbs and his best showings he was around 205 pounds not much of an improvement , he did try to play the size game by competing at 215 pounds and his razor sharp conditioning suffered for it , I recall him bitching that the judges said he needed more size but was punished for it ( because he wasn't as sharp )
Shawn and Dexter are more closely related in physique types and it's pretty clear Dexter would beat him , Dexter carries more mass a lot more , now this alone isn't always a given hence why Shawn beat much heavier men however Dexter has more mass with equal if not better conditioning so that extra mass edges Dexter ahead in muscular bulk over Shawn , balance & proportion ...neither of them are Bob Paris in this department but Dexter has advantages Shawn doesn't especially in width , back width and clavicle width which would edge out Shawn in both standing relaxed poses and Dexter beats him in the 1/4 turns , Dex just accumulates more mandatories and seeing all rounds are physique rounds Dexter's meets the criteria better
Shawn was a excellent bodybuilder but people fluff him up to something much more than he was
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What's up with his comment about Dexter's "cute butt"? (see my post above where I quoted it).
lmao Kevin Horton had to tell him Ronnie doesn't swing that way and he's married lol I guess he's moved on :-X
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so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL
you are even dumber than I thought. :o
1992 Shawn looks just like he did in 1993 Lee kicked his ass there too ;) thanks for playing retard of the week you win
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You're hopeless , you really are ;)
You DO NOT dominate by losing see oxymoron
did you not read my post? ::)
the judges said he lost the prejudging. everyone else says he never should have.
see any of the jay vs ronnie 2001 threads on this or any other board.
the proof is all there. the judges got it wrong in the first two rounds, realized their mistake, and gave ronnie the win in the end.
so all was right.
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What's up with his comment about Dexter's "cute butt"? (see my post above where I quoted it).
very funny. that was not in my original quote.. ::)
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its easy to see why Shawn flew past Flea Labrada as he peaked:
its not even close:
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did you not read my post? ::)
the judges said he lost the prejudging. everyone else says he never should have.
see any of the jay vs ronnie 2001 threads on this or any other board.
the proof is all there. the judges got it wrong in the first two rounds, realized their mistake, and gave ronnie the win in the end.
so all was right.
Oh the old argument ad populum huh? you prove how stupid you are consistently . They say ignorance is bliss , you must be a very happy idiot ;)
oxymoron you can NOT dominate by losing that's a fact
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its easy to see why Shawn flew past Flea Labrada as he peaked:
its not even close:
83% you're right it wasn't close
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very funny. that was not in my original quote.. ::)
Kevin Horton had to explain many times that Ronnie was married lots of people think you're gay I wonder why :-X
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Lmfao everyone is calling you out for being a troll , ignorant and flat out stupid ! like me everyone has been asking you to produce any facts what so ever a task you can't do and never have been able to do
Your argument is based on bias , hyperbole , and the weakest of arguments , same shit with you post a couple of carefully selected pics and cry see ::)
come back when you can offer something other than subterfuge
the irony of your post is that you have yet to produce a SINGLE shot of Labrada that can match any of Shawn's 1993, 94, 95 or 96 presentations.
and you never will be able to. shawn was just that much better than Flea:
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I know. and I back them up with real proof, unlike these morons who just babble and avoid posting visuals, which is the whole point of this sport.. ::)
The whole point that, unlike the situation with Jackson, we have a comparable bodybuilder that WENT HEAD-TO-HEAD with Ray, SIX TIMES at the Olympia.
And, despite being smaller and shorter, Labrada DEFEATED Ray five of six times.
No amount of revisionist history, pitiful excuse-making, or other pointless blubbering changes that fact.
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the irony of your post is that you have yet to produce a SINGLE shot of Labrada that can match any of Shawn's 1993, 94, 95 or 96 presentations.
and you never will be able to. shawn was just that much better than Flea:
So much better that he only beat the "Flea" once........RIGHT!!!!!!
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the irony of your post is that you have yet to produce a SINGLE shot of Labrada that can match any of Shawn's 1993, 94, 95 or 96 presentations.
and you never will be able to. shawn was just that much better than Flea:
Typical Hulkster constantly contradicts reality , tries to rewrite bodybuilding history and claims black is white.
It must suck having nothing but trolling , what's it like?
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how is showing how a peak shawn beats a peak Labrada rewriting history? ::)
that exactly what happened in 1993 buddy.
duh. ::)
your just pissed because once again, one of your heros gets owned by another bodybuilder at their peak physical condition.
your hero could only beat shawn before he was really really good.
just as your hero dorian could only beat ronnie before he was really good also.
that is fact. and there nothing you can do except bitch about it:
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The whole point that, unlike the situation with Jackson, we have a comparable bodybuilder that WENT HEAD-TO-HEAD with Ray, SIX TIMES at the Olympia.
And, despite being smaller and shorter, Labrada DEFEATED Ray five of six times.
No amount of revisionist history, pitiful excuse-making, or other pointless blubbering changes that fact.
Great post !
Hulkster is filling his comrade pumpster's troll boots very well , it's funny how the ignorant , biased trolls tend to gravitate towards each other.
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how is showing how a peak shawn beats a peak Labrada rewriting history? ::)
that exactly what happened in 1993 buddy.
duh. ::)
your just pissed because once again, one of your heros gets owned by another bodybuilder at their peak physical condition.
your hero could only beat shawn before he was really really good.
that is fact. and there nothing you can do except bitch about it:
Then what happened in '92, '91, '90, '89, and '88?
Once again, your boneheaded of Ray owning someone he beat just once borders on the absurd. If Ray were, as you put it "really, really good", he should have been able to peak MORE THAN ONCE to BEAT SOMEONE at least 15 lbs. SMALLER than himself.
Instead, the "Flea" bit him right in the hind quarters........FIVE CONSECUTIVE TIMES at the Olympia (the biggest show in the world).
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its not flattened out. its called a vaccuum, something that dexter's alien turtle gut and fucked up torso would never allow him to hit.. :P
dex couldn't touch this in a million years: :o
you must be so dumb as to think i dont know what a vacuum is.
to make my point clearer for you....ill spell it out..
when shawn hits the FDB his chest flattens out, his arms spread and the peak in his other poses disappears markedly. Additionally he appears smooth and his lats all but disappear also.
then his big blocky legs jut out like pylons without any real flair or appeal.
ever wonderedd why he does a vacuum and no one else does?- its because thats the only way he looks half decent in that pose. Without the vacuum his flaws are more apparent.
would you like some more BB 101 schooling?
i see that despite MW and ND and myself serving it you still seem to be having a hard time grappling with it.
PM me if you'd like some tips and hints. I'm happy to help.
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Then what happened in '92, '91, '90, '89, and '88?
Once again, your boneheaded of Ray owning someone he beat just once borders on the absurd. If Ray were, as you put it "really, really good", he should have been able to peak MORE THAN ONCE to BEAT SOMEONE at least 15 lbs. SMALLER than himself.
Instead, the "Flea" bit him right in the hind quarters........FIVE CONSECUTIVE TIMES at the Olympia (the biggest show in the world).
Excellent points ! Lee consistently beat Shawn which a fact , something Hulkster never seems to be able to come up with .
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1992 Shawn looks just like he did in 1993 Lee kicked his ass there too ;) thanks for playing retard of the week you win
Shawn got robbed in 92 losing to Flea but beat him handidly for the first time in 93. Lee really only had 2 great mr o's 89 and 90. Shawns had a number of great OLYMPIA showings..1990, 92,94,96 97 98, 99 2000 and 2001
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Then what happened in '92, '91, '90, '89, and '88?
shawn lost because he was holding a bit of water and his back had not improved to the point that it had by 1994.
this isn't difficult people ::).
some of you should go back over the labrada vs shawn thread I posted (where almost everyone said shawn smoked him because of how he looked in 93, 94 etc) and look at some of the comments and pics in that thread.
seems you are not smart enough to understand what everyone else knows and can see quite clearly.
seems there is nothing anyone can do to help you..
if you don't understand how to evaluate a physique properly by now, you probably never will.. ::)
oh well. not everyone is smart.
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Shawn got robbed in 92 losing to Flea but beat him handidly for the first time in 93. Lee really only had 2 great mr o's 89 and 90. Shawns had a number of great OLYMPIA showings..1990, 92,94,96 97 98, 99 2000 and 2001
very true. but you are preaching to the retarded.. ::)
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Maybe we have to change the title to Ray vs Labrada?
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very true. but you are preaching to the retarded.. ::)
Listen to what you just said. If Ray got "robbed" in '92, that STILL gives Labrada a 4-2 advantage in head-to-head matchups.
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Listen to what you just said. If Ray got "robbed" in '92, that STILL gives Labrada a 4-2 advantage in head-to-head matchups.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Listen to what you just said. If Ray got "robbed" in '92, that STILL gives Labrada a 4-2 advantage in head-to-head matchups.
its all irrelevant because shawn lost when he was not at his peak.
I am sure if you look at ronnie's contest record, there are people that beat him in the 90's that he never faced as mr.O..hell, Labrada is one of them. he beat Ronnie in 92, and never faced Ronnie again..
so according to your logic, Labrada owns ronnie. ::)
which makes no sense.
you don't seem to understand that if we are comparing peak to peak physiques, shawn owns labrada.
and dex.
who won what and when has nothing to do with this fact..
do you understand? ::)
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Maybe we have to change the title to Ray vs Labrada?
more like the Nuthuggers let personal bias influence their opinions on Shawn Ray's Physique Thread..
that sounds about right.. ::)
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alright bitches I will have to own your collective asses when I return from my trip to Cozumel.
:P
in the meantime, feast your eyes on the owning of 1994 (no, not 91 or 92 etc) shawn to both dex and Flea: :P
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Your completely delusional Hulkster. I feel bad for the people who share your argument.
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So the winner is.....DEX.....has 1 Olympia title...and has beaten Ronnie in 2007. nuff said. I looked up to Shawn but I am sure Mayweather looked up to Sugar Ray Leonard!!!! Catch???
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This is one of the best BB shots I have seen :o
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This is one of the best BB shots I have seen :o
I beg to differ!!! :D
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I still think Dexter has the size and conditioning to beat Ray.
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Dexter have that freaky look.
But it is not fair, Dex have access to
much more slin, HG and other gear.
Shawn looked like a zero slin physique.
Dex is more of a freak.
(http://www.fitflex.com/dj3.jpg)
(http://sp8.fotolog.com/photo/56/5/24/dinamat_gym/1222673387299_f.jpg)
(http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/media/uploads/2009/10/dexter_jackson3.jpg)
(http://istor.indyarocks.com/18902/DexterJackson411197737769.jpg)
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2009 Olympia prejudging
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Bob Paris would blow both of them away (no homo)
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Lee Labrada is the Steve Reeves of his time albeit shorter , Shawn Ray was a mini-mass monster with a very nice physique as far as classic physiques Ray doesn't compare to Labrada not in structure not in balance & proportion or clavicle width
When I think of classical physiques Steve Reeves , Frank Zane , Bob Paris , Lee Labrada , Rory Leidlemeyer etc NOT Shawn Ray he doesn't meet the Greek Ideal of calves , arms and neck all the same size , he doesn't have wide clavicles , he doesn't have a balanced upper & lower body , Shawn has short legs , high calves a longish torso , heavyweights arms , lightweights torso he has way to many structural issues to be compared in a classic sense as the same as the above mentioned , which is why I believe Flex Magazine didn't have him close to many of the above mentioned in their list of the most aesthetic physiques
Labrada left in 1995 , his last contest was the Arnold , Ray really never improved over his career other than just coming in a tad sharper , he won the nationals at 196lbs and his best showings he was around 205 pounds not much of an improvement , he did try to play the size game by competing at 215 pounds and his razor sharp conditioning suffered for it , I recall him bitching that the judges said he needed more size but was punished for it ( because he wasn't as sharp )
Shawn and Dexter are more closely related in physique types and it's pretty clear Dexter would beat him , Dexter carries more mass a lot more , now this alone isn't always a given hence why Shawn beat much heavier men however Dexter has more mass with equal if not better conditioning so that extra mass edges Dexter ahead in muscular bulk over Shawn , balance & proportion ...neither of them are Bob Paris in this department but Dexter has advantages Shawn doesn't especially in width , back width and clavicle width which would edge out Shawn in both standing relaxed poses and Dexter beats him in the 1/4 turns , Dex just accumulates more mandatories and seeing all rounds are physique rounds Dexter's meets the criteria better
Shawn was a excellent bodybuilder but people fluff him up to something much more than he was
Good post. Labrada had a "true" classic physique whereas Shawn only played the classic physique card as he couldn't really compete in the mass department with Yates or Levrone. In many ways, Flex's '93 physique was much more classic than Shawn ever was. Shawn only gave that illusion.
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like my belly :(
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Dexters arms and delts must weigh 15lbs more than Shawns at least.
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shawn lost because he was holding a bit of water and his back had not improved to the point that it had by 1994.
Again, too bad for Ray!!! Labrada didn't seem to have that problem holding water.
this isn't difficult people ::).
some of you should go back over the labrada vs shawn thread I posted (where almost everyone said shawn smoked him because of how he looked in 93, 94 etc) and look at some of the comments and pics in that thread.
Indeed, refuting the repeated foolishness you spew isn't difficult at all.
Claiming that a bodybuilder "smoked" another one the LONE time he beat that bodybuilder makes you sound even sillier.
seems you are not smart enough to understand what everyone else knows and can see quite clearly.
seems there is nothing anyone can do to help you..
if you don't understand how to evaluate a physique properly by now, you probably never will.. ::)
oh well. not everyone is smart.
I'm smart enough to know that FIVE (the number of times Labrada beat Ray) is greater than ONE (the number of times Ray beat Labrada).
And your continuing to come up with excuses as to why the great Shawn Ray couldn't fix his water problem, losing to a smaller bodybuilder time and time again, borders on the absurd.
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its all irrelevant because shawn lost when he was not at his peak.
No, it's not irrelevant.
I am sure if you look at ronnie's contest record, there are people that beat him in the 90's that he never faced as mr.O..hell, Labrada is one of them. he beat Ronnie in 92, and never faced Ronnie again..
so according to your logic, Labrada owns ronnie. ::)
which makes no sense.
you don't seem to understand that if we are comparing peak to peak physiques, shawn owns labrada.
and dex.
who won what and when has nothing to do with this fact..
do you understand? ::)
Your mantra is simply masking your warped logic. Ray has NEVER "OWNED" Labrada. They competed head-to-head in near top condition. The man who can dial it in, when it matters most, is the better man. And, we're not talking a one-time meeting; we're talking SIX matchups at the biggest show in the business.
Plus, there are some who can argue that Ray didn't necessarily "peak" in 1993.
As for Dexter Jackson, he is approximately the same height, carries far more mass, yet has similar proportions. Throw in the fact that Jackson has a more impressive resume (including the ONE title Ray could never win).
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dex is def bodyweight wise heavier than ray,ray's muscle though had a fuller look overall and its so close overall,i think rays muscle looked overall better due to his torso structure being better esp ab area.and ray to a fault could be considered bottom heavy due to having better legs than dex.
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Bob Paris would blow both of them away (no homo)
fixed.
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Bob Paris would blow both of them away (no homo)
Yes homo. Bob was flaming and WOULD have blown them both away ;).
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anyone have that photo of dexter and shawn eating those pulled pork po boi's in the mall ?
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Here are some lats
and here are some lats too :P
your grandpa was the one who took this pic. by the way ;D
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and here are some lats too :P
your grandpa was the one who took this pic. by the way ;D
;D Nice shot man, keep it up whats behind the blue curtain?
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;D Nice shot man, keep it up whats behind the blue curtain?
hahahaha.. actually my so called "roof gym" is a very old wooden room.. its wood look like shit so instead of painting it i tried to cover the walls with some blue sheets >:( but it looked even worse with them so i removed them ;D
i really wont try to fix it at the moment because i am thinking to rebuild it again from zero to be bigger and better with more equipments!!.. i am just waiting when i have some money..
your grandpa refuses to pay with me >:(
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hahahaha.. actually my so called "roof gym" is a very old wooden room.. its wood look like shit so instead of painting it i tried to cover the walls with some blue sheets >:( but it looked even worse with them so i removed them ;D
i really wont try to fix it at the moment because i am thinking to rebuild it again from zero to be bigger and better with more equipments!!.. i am just waiting when i have some money..
your grandpa refuses to pay with me >:(
Looks interesting, those old gyms are the best blood and guts,,,Dorrian worked out in the temple gym looks like shit to me but he got the results..grandpa is out of money...what are you doing for back now? you are making progress
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Looks interesting, those old gyms are the best blood and guts,,,Dorrian worked out in the temple gym looks like shit to me but he got the results..grandpa is out of money...what are you doing for back now? you are making progress
when i train in my roof gym i have to do certain exercises every time because their are no alternatives!!.. although this seems bad but it's really very good, when you train in a place where there are only free weights you HAVE to do all hard exercises you may avoid when you are in a fancy gym!!..
when i train back in my roof gym i do 3 different exercises of chin-ups (without additional weights), i do 2 bar exerciese (reversed grip and normal grip), and i do deadlifts.. so total is 6 exercises, 3 sets each, all 18 sets to failure and i dont warm up except before the first exercise only.. i change the order of these exercises to ovoid being bored so sometimes i start with deadlifts, sometimes i do it the last exercise.. i also dont do all the chin-ups after each other, i normally do one chin-ups followed by a bar exercise, but again i have no rules, i do what i feel i like to do..
when i am in the club gym where there are all back machines i still do free weights exercises but also add certain machines like the rowing or pullover (which i sometimes do it with dumbells).. in the club i usually do 6 back exercises beside the deadlifts, i never decide which exercise i do before i enter the gym and see what i feel i like to do on that certain day, the main thing is to do 3 verticals (ex. rowing) exercises and 3 horizontals (ex. chin-ups)!!.. i never do any one hand exercise, i believe it's better and more symmetrical to work your back as one muscle!!.. even with biceps and triceps i never do any one hand exercise!!..
sorry i know the above shit is not well organized ;D
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lblablablabla
Seriously why are you trying to wreck a Dexter vs Ray thread
with your boring:I am sholisha shelliaby, look at my back! this is how I train my back!
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Seriously why are you trying to wreck a Dexter vs Ray thread
with your boring:I am sholisha shelliaby, look at my back! this is how I train my back!
i agree with you but the "how i train my back" was asked by my friend no-body!..
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when i train in my roof gym i have to do certain exercises every time because their are no alternatives!!.. although this seems bad but it's really very good, when you train in a place where there are only free weights you HAVE to do all hard exercises you may avoid when you are in a fancy gym!!..
when i train back in my roof gym i do 3 different exercises of chin-ups (without additional weights), i do 2 bar exerciese (reversed grip and normal grip), and i do deadlifts.. so total is 6 exercises, 3 sets each, all 18 sets to failure and i dont warm up except before the first exercise only.. i change the order of these exercises to ovoid being bored so sometimes i start with deadlifts, sometimes i do it the last exercise.. i also dont do all the chin-ups after each other, i normally do one chin-ups followed by a bar exercise, but again i have no rules, i do what i feel i like to do..
when i am in the club gym where there are all back machines i still do free weights exercises but also add certain machines like the rowing or pullover (which i sometimes do it with dumbells).. in the club i usually do 6 back exercises beside the deadlifts, i never decide which exercise i do before i enter the gym and see what i feel i like to do on that certain day, the main thing is to do 3 verticals (ex. rowing) exercises and 3 horizontals (ex. chin-ups)!!.. i never do any one hand exercise, i believe it's better and more symmetrical to work your back as one muscle!!.. even with biceps and triceps i never do any one hand exercise!!..
sorry i know the above shit is not well organized ;D
It seems to be working for you, the old barbell and dumbell basic exercises still work to this day.
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It seems to be working for you, the old barbell and dumbell basic exercises still work to this day.
they will never die as long as there are ppl who likes to train hard like your grandpa, me, dexester, and shawn ray..
i just added the 2 last names to be within the topic of the thead because an idiot here was so angry when i talked outside the topic :-X
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2009 Olympia prejudging
www.bodybuildingFLIX.com
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They used to call Dexter Jackson a poor man's Shawn Ray.
My question to you guy is in their respective prime, who was better and why?
Discuss...
I'm going with Shawn Ray.
Why? His physique speaks for itself.
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the lighting back then made everyone look good, plus the old cameras.. now they have shit lighting, a lot of dark tan & higher quality cameras that make them look worse
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the lighting back then made everyone look good, plus the old cameras.. now they have shit lighting, a lot of dark tan & higher quality cameras that make them look worse
yeah because camera technology hasn't improved by leaps & bounds with the introduction of digital cameras ::) kid put some thought into your posts
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yeah because camera technology hasn't improved by leaps & bounds with the introduction of digital cameras ::) kid put some thought into your posts
I think what he meant was that the extreme lack of detail, that cameras back then COULD NOT GET, helped give the illusion of a better phesique due to lighting, shadows, etc.
Now, our cameras are much better and it gets even more detailed then before, which can make some guys not look as good.
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its all irrelevant because shawn lost when he was not at his peak.
I am sure if you look at ronnie's contest record, there are people that beat him in the 90's that he never faced as mr.O..hell, Labrada is one of them. he beat Ronnie in 92, and never faced Ronnie again..
so according to your logic, Labrada owns ronnie. ::)
which makes no sense.
you don't seem to understand that if we are comparing peak to peak physiques, shawn owns labrada.
and dex.
who won what and when has nothing to do with this fact..
do you understand? ::)
Please!!! The simple fact is, the only reason you're claiming that Ray "peaked" in '93 and '94, is because those are THE ONLY TWO TIMES RAY didn't lose to Labrada (of course, Labrada was NOT at the '94 Olympia).
Again, you don't "own" anybody that you've only beaten ONCE. And your repeated excuses for Ray's repeated LOSSES to Labrada simply ring hollow.
Yep, that's REAL DOMINANCE there, Ray taking over FIVE years to finally "peak" and beat someone 15-20 lbs SMALLER than himself!!!!
Of course, the entire point of bringing up Labrada was (and is) that, if Ray can barely beat someone SMALLER than himself, it's hardly a stretch to put someone like Dexter Jackson ahead of him, ESPECIALLY considering that Jackson has a Sandow and Ray does not.
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i think dexter is better
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After listening to this Tesla album, it makes me realize how shitty current music is today.
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Shawns lack of delts hurt him.
When relaxed Dex gut hang out due to
all his 30lbs extra mass.
Offseason fat Shawn looked horrible but Dex still
looked pretty good when he was fat.
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Shawn was great, but he didn't have the freaky look and was too small.
At their best, Dex would outmuscle him and beat him in spite of having an inferior structure and flaws, same way Ronnie and Dorian beat guys like Flex and Shawn. Dex is too big and muscular for Shawn to handle, not to mention he has a far better back than Ray ever had.
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Shawn was great, but he didn't have the freaky look and was too small.
At their best, Dex would outmuscle him and beat him in spite of having an inferior structure and flaws, same way Ronnie and Dorian beat guys like Flex and Shawn. Dex is too big and muscular for Shawn to handle, not to mention he has a far better back than Ray ever had.
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Shawns lack of delts hurt him.
When relaxed Dex gut hang out due to
all his 30lbs extra mass.
Offseason fat Shawn looked horrible but Dex still
looked pretty good when he was fat.
Dexter didnt weigh 30lbs more than Shawn
Hope this helps
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Shawn wins
looks better dexter has a weird midsection narrow at the top and gets wider at the bottom as if inverted
shawn wins by a country mile for pure physique
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Shawn was great, but he didn't have the freaky look and was too small.
At their best, Dex would outmuscle him and beat him in spite of having an inferior structure and flaws, same way Ronnie and Dorian beat guys like Flex and Shawn. Dex is too big and muscular for Shawn to handle, not to mention he has a far better back than Ray ever had.
True dat
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Lee Labrada is the Steve Reeves of his time albeit shorter , Shawn Ray was a mini-mass monster with a very nice physique as far as classic physiques Ray doesn't compare to Labrada not in structure not in balance & proportion or clavicle width
When I think of classical physiques Steve Reeves , Frank Zane , Bob Paris , Lee Labrada , Rory Leidlemeyer etc NOT Shawn Ray he doesn't meet the Greek Ideal of calves , arms and neck all the same size , he doesn't have wide clavicles , he doesn't have a balanced upper & lower body , Shawn has short legs , high calves a longish torso , heavyweights arms , lightweights torso he has way to many structural issues to be compared in a classic sense as the same as the above mentioned , which is why I believe Flex Magazine didn't have him close to many of the above mentioned in their list of the most aesthetic physiques
Labrada left in 1995 , his last contest was the Arnold , Ray really never improved over his career other than just coming in a tad sharper , he won the nationals at 196lbs and his best showings he was around 205 pounds not much of an improvement , he did try to play the size game by competing at 215 pounds and his razor sharp conditioning suffered for it , I recall him bitching that the judges said he needed more size but was punished for it ( because he wasn't as sharp )
Shawn and Dexter are more closely related in physique types and it's pretty clear Dexter would beat him , Dexter carries more mass a lot more , now this alone isn't always a given hence why Shawn beat much heavier men however Dexter has more mass with equal if not better conditioning so that extra mass edges Dexter ahead in muscular bulk over Shawn , balance & proportion ...neither of them are Bob Paris in this department but Dexter has advantages Shawn doesn't especially in width , back width and clavicle width which would edge out Shawn in both standing relaxed poses and Dexter beats him in the 1/4 turns , Dex just accumulates more mandatories and seeing all rounds are physique rounds Dexter's meets the criteria better
Shawn was a excellent bodybuilder but people fluff him up to something much more than he was
Great post ND.
I fully agree with your comparison and of Labrada carrying the torch from Reeves to Zane to Paris, then Lee, and others like Rory.
Labrada was one of the best ever. Unfortunately too short to stand next to Haney, and outmassed in Yates' time.
as far as Dex vs Shawn, not gonna come up with excuses, Dex uses this, Ray didnt do gh, slin, etc. Fact is, Ray almost did it few times, Dex actually is a Mr O!
But, preference wise, I prefer Ray's physique(no homo)
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Shawn wins
looks better dexter has a weird midsection narrow at the top and gets wider at the bottom as if inverted
shawn wins by a country mile for pure physique
yup. but you have the usual guy denial.. ::)
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www.dexterjacksonunbreak able.com
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the lighting back then made everyone look good, plus the old cameras.. now they have shit lighting, a lot of dark tan & higher quality cameras that make them look worse
Actually about the cameras it's the opposite. I can't imagine how much better some of the pros of the 90's would have looked with digital photography.
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Actually about the cameras it's the opposite. I can't imagine how much better some of the pros of the 90's would have looked with digital photography.
exactly camera technology has improved by leaps & bounds
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I lot of you people confuse muscle with oil. Dexter is sporting more oil then Ray, but little else.
Ray had a quality to his physique that Dexter simply does not have.
M!
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How about Melvin vs Mike Ashley?
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How about Melvin vs Mike Ashley?
More like Melvin vs. Flex, or Melvin vs Brian Buchanan, or Melvin vs Chris Cormier. The first two because Melvin is a Flex/Brian clone. Chris Cormier because both have under rated.
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How about Melvin vs Mike Ashley?
Mike Ashley is he still around?