Tom Brady threw his 46th postseason touchdown pass, passing Joe Montana for the most in NFL playoff history!
BOOM!
No idea why Baltimore went for it on that Int play.
They were throwing outside, underneath, using Forsett, etc, and had plenty of time. Dumb.
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Jumping on their bandwagon now I see
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/watch-russell-wilson--richard-sherman-video-for-aca--or-obamacare-041256214.html
Russell Wilson is an Obamacare supporter....
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G.O.A.T.
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If it comes down to Seattle/NE. I'm predicting a Denver-type beatdown.
G.O.A.T.
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G.O.A.T.
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a matchup of two proven cheating coaches! Fucking retard statement. Yup the whole league doesn't do it jus those two. Belicheck=
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brady on some good GH. he's willing to do hairplugs, he's willing to use the GH.
Peyton, he's degrading quickly with age, hairline escaping. Looks like he's going to retire after this year?
brady will be on another team shortly, probably play 3-4 years elsewhere.
brady on some good GH. he's willing to do hairplugs, he's willing to use the GH.
Peyton, he's degrading quickly with age, hairline escaping. Looks like he's going to retire after this year?
brady will be on another team shortly, probably play 3-4 years elsewhere.
"GH" ::)
Brady isn't going to play for another team, when he retires it will be with the patriots
why do people care so much about sports?
and why do fans refer to their team as 'we' when talkign about their team? it makes no sense- they arent on the team.. there is no 'we'!
why do people care so much about sports?
and why do fans refer to their team as 'we' when talkign about their team? it makes no sense- they arent on the team.. there is no 'we'!
Why do people care so much that others care?No shit. I like it because it's fun. GB/Dallas @1. Gonna get me some wings, chip and dip, and relax. Good day, all 'round. :)
People get into what they want to get into. To each his own.
No shit. I like it because it's fun. GB/Dallas @1. Gonna get me some wings, chip and dip, and relax. Good day, all 'round. :)
It's the sick obsession of American sports.
brady on some good GH. he's willing to do hairplugs, he's willing to use the GH.
Peyton, he's degrading quickly with age, hairline escaping. Looks like he's going to retire after this year?
brady will be on another team shortly, probably play 3-4 years elsewhere.
I only like football to troll TA.
! Fucking retard statement. Yup the whole league doesn't do it jus those two. Belicheck=cheatergreatest choach of all time
I wonder if TA is watching the game now.
TA is probably doing something better with his time than wasting it on watching sports.
He is most likely reading a book or baking a cake for his wife.
It's the sick obsession of American sports.
People have actually reported having a "bad day" after their team losses lol. Can you imagine having your day ruined because your favorite team lost :-/ lol
Bro people kill players in other countries when they lose in soccer matches. We are all okay
It's easy to figure out what TA is doing.
He's doing exactly what his wife told him to do.
TA most likely believes in an egalitarian relationship when it comes to his partner.
I wonder if TA is watching the game now.Making Walt`s Dream and adding Oreo`s to the Sweet Cream straight from Ample Hills Creamery.
TA is probably doing something better with his time than wasting it on watching sports.
He is most likely reading a book or baking a cake for his wife.
Making Walt`s Dream and adding Oreo`s to the Sweet Cream straight from Ample Hills Creamery.
Then we are going to make New Mexican Chili.
Coach is just picking all the good teams this year, Oregon now seahawks
Coach is always wrong.
Arod is a bad man.
Been a Pete Carroll/Chris Carlisle fan since USC. No bandwagon.
Pete may have pissed off the referees by harassing a 911 hero and military general. He chased him around with his 911 theories. how disrespectful. Dude had to get in his car and flee to evade pete, who didn't like the answers he got.
maybe the seahawks are losing because pete caroll hates our military and obviously must then be anti-american?
Worse loss in the Packer 80+ year history. Horrible. They will never recover. That franchise is dead.
Settle down Francis ::)
Worse loss in the Packer 80+ year history. Horrible. They will never recover. That franchise is dead.
Lynch grabbed his penis when he scored that TD. Third times he's scored a big TD and grabbed his cockpiece toward another man on national television.
Stay classy, Seadderall!
Every time coach picks a team they end up losing! :D
Where's his post about the Seahawks with the tag "soon to be 2X Super Bowl champs"
Blow me..
Admit u were nervous though ;D 1-14 ain't that bad in picks
Please don't pick the SB team :D
Coach is always wrong.
Arod is a bad man.
damn, all green bay had to do was recover that onside kick and seahawks would be licking their wounds....fuck......Brad y and the Bunch will make seattle pay for their mistakes......Pats 28, Seahawks 24
The way packers made seachickens look today, the patriots will have an easy win in 2 weeks
Seattle played as bad as they could on offense for 3Q...then they looked unstoppable.
So now you're a Seattle fan ::)
What are you talkig about? When have I ever said I wasn't.
Late to thread, but Pats for AFC and SEA for NFC.
Pats win SB.
;D
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Easy win for the Pats. Bring on Seattle.
Quoting myself at the beginning of the season
In that thread, I also went for Revis as SB MVP.
Impressive.
This will be the Pete Carroll redemption bowl, where he vanquishs the ghosts of his Patriot past. They circle of life narrative of sports is pretty amazing.
So if New England wins the SuperBowl, does Brady retire? I would if I was him.
Seattle is tough, but I just watched the Pats run up the score to 45-7. If this Pats team shows to the SB, Seattle is gonna have their hands full.
No. No reason he can't come back and get a 5th ring. This is a good team. They finally have a decent running game and defense.
That's what makes them scary, played their worse and still won. U can bet they won't do that again in the SB
Would love for patriots to win thier4th1st without the aid of knowing the other team's first 25 plays
So if New England wins the SuperBowl, does Brady retire? I would if I was him.
who the fuck in their right mind thought this sorry ass Colts was gonna come out of Foxboro with a win....hahahaha...get real
why retire when you are still at the top of your game?
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He won Superbowls early in his career and spent the next decade climbing the mountain again trying to win another one. Now that he did (if he does) why not go out on top? Eventually your production will fall off and everyone will be looking at you as a detriment to your team. People will resent you for your huge salary that you are no longer "worth". Some young guy will get drafted and be nipping at your heels. If you don't play well people will be calling for him to play. Fuck that. I'd rather leave a Champion with good feelings all around. There's nothing else to accomplish.
He won Superbowls early in his career and spent the next decade climbing the mountain again trying to win another one. Now that he did (if he does) why not go out on top? Eventually your production will fall off and everyone will be looking at you as a detriment to your team. People will resent you for your huge salary that you are no longer "worth". Some young guy will get drafted and be nipping at your heels. If you don't play well people will be calling for him to play. Fuck that. I'd rather leave a Champion with good feelings all around. There's nothing else to accomplish.
He won Superbowls early in his career and spent the next decade climbing the mountain again trying to win another one. Now that he did (if he does) why not go out on top? Eventually your production will fall off and everyone will be looking at you as a detriment to your team. People will resent you for your huge salary that you are no longer "worth". Some young guy will get drafted and be nipping at your heels. If you don't play well people will be calling for him to play. Fuck that. I'd rather leave a Champion with good feelings all around. There's nothing else to accomplish.
he already is the best ever
i don't like him at all personally, but that's the truth
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Too bad Kevin Levrone wasn't the QB for the Colts. The outcome could have been drastically different.
Brady is one of the most competitive guys there is, win or lose he's coming back!
he already is the best ever
i don't like him at all personally, but that's the truth
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Over all Brady's hard to argue with. Montana had the great Superbowl success but his regular season numbers weren't mind blowing. Manning(who is my favorite) was insanely dominant during the regular season but only got the one Superbowl win. Who else is there? Bradshaw, meh.
Brady threw 50 fucking touchdowns in 2007. He's been dominant for so long. Every year you just pencil him in for 10 plus wins and a chance to compete for the Superbowl.
Over all Brady's hard to argue with.
LOL!
Report: Patriots Under NFL Investigation For Deflating Footballs
http://deadspin.com/report-patriots-under-nfl-investigation-for-deflating-1680358128?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
WTHR's Bob Kravitz is reporting the NFL is investigating whether the New England Patriots illegally deflated footballs during the team's AFC Championship game against the Colts Sunday night.
Deflated footballs are easier to throw and catch, especially in the stormy conditions that threatened the area. Officials caught USC illegally deflating footballs in 2012, and fined the school.
But if they deflated the football, making it easier to catch, wouldnt this also give the seahawks an upperhand?
The super bowl: New England deflated balls vs the adderall using late hit issuing team from Seattle.
Each team has its own set of balls.
Since Bradys passes are always on target, and any interceptions are the result of a receiver not being able to handle the ball, the simple answer is no.
The super bowl: New England deflated balls vs the adderall using late hit issuing team from Seattle.
This is what is most interesting... SEA and NE are two teams that have been caught CHEATING in recent years. And if they're caught for 1 or 2 or 3 things... How many are they getting away with? How many times HAVENT they been caught?
When a rapist is caught, he's probably done it many times. When a shoplifter is caught on video, there are no doubt dozens of times he got away with it. How many times have these 2 teams cheated that we just haven't heard about?
Remember that sick catch that Gronk made in the end zone today? Raining hard, wet ball, Brady zipping it in there as Gronk cuts... seemed like that ball just melted into Gronk's hand. We get it now.
They do? So each time a team takes the offense, they use their own ball? I have never ever heard of this. damn.
Oh I'm sure there is SO much crap that we don't know about.
The seahawks db's play so physical with the the opposing receivers, much like the Patriots did against the Rams in their first SB win, from the jump so they can set the tone in the beginning of the game, forcing the refs to call the game to their advantage.
Consider the penalties they'll gladly take from Chancellor laying big, unnecessary roughness type hits. Just to send a message and to plant seeds in wide outs heads.
The Pats using the ineligible wide receiver "trick" play, upsetting the whole league . These two teams are Phil Heath crossing the tape line on the olympia stage.
Whne you factor in Carrolls Patriot history this game should be fantastic.
Yeah. And they use different balls to kick with.
The second half of the INDY NE game was delayed after the kick off because they were trying to find the NE game ball, the ref had placed the kicking ball down to play with.
Why not just use the same football throughout the game? I mean, in every other sport the same ball or puck is used. Seems pointless to let each team use their own ball.
True this Colts team is completely over matched. I honestly thought last year's Denver squad was an all time great and the Hawks derailed them; I still don't understand how they beat Green Bay today..... they just really believed they couldn't lose.
I hope the Super Bowl is competitive, and the Pats are always prepared, but I think Seattle is going back to back.
Last year was a huge shocker to me. Not sure if DEN just shat the bed that hard or if SEA's D is really that good.
Should be a good game in two weeks. I think Seattle will win if they can muster up an average offensive performance and if NE is forced to use regulation footballs, no spy cameras, and no "linemen checking in as receivers" gimmicks.
NE guys had a very easy time catching some difficult wet balls yesterday. What was the fumble count?
Slightly deflated ball makes fora HUGE difference in a cold wet game like that.
It must have been super obvious to the NFL, for them to stop and check the balls in the middle of the game.
I despise them, although I like Brady.
And if you catch them in spygate, you catch them in this... who knows how much other shit they're getting away with.
The NFL will probably either do nothing, or give them some meaningless fine or take away one of the umpteen draft picks they get and crow like it's some huge penalty.
Would be great to see them drop the hammer and say "You cheated to upset the competitive balance of the game, so you forfeit that game." Will never happen but would def. send the message to knock this shit off.
They do? So each time a team takes the offense, they use their own ball? I have never ever heard of this. damn.
Yep - But importantly, each team gets to use the balls that they provide on offense.
The Colts LB grabbed an interception from Brady - and he ran to his coach and said "dude, the ball is deflated". The ball being deflated would help Brady greatly. Colts weren't using deflated balls.
Coach called GM, GM called NFL, and they busted them as 3rd quarter began. Looks to be pretty clean-cut cheating... and Brady's nervous laugh about it when asked this morning was pretty telling. At that level, the quarterback KNOWS if the ball is deflated when he's throwing it. I wonder how many "wins" along the way to his rings Brady has been using flat balls?
If they don't grab this INT, we never hear about it. So yes, you're right - all the people saying "why didn't the deflated balls help the Colts" don't realize the Colts weren't using the deflated balls... just the cheatin'ass Pats.
http://deadspin.com/reports-dqwell-jacksons-int-triggered-deflated-ball-in-1680569440?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Yep - But importantly, each team gets to use the balls that they provide on offense.
The Colts LB grabbed an interception from Brady - and he ran to his coach and said "dude, the ball is deflated". The ball being deflated would help Brady greatly. Colts weren't using deflated balls.
Coach called GM, GM called NFL, and they busted them as 3rd quarter began. Looks to be pretty clean-cut cheating... and Brady's nervous laugh about it when asked this morning was pretty telling. At that level, the quarterback KNOWS if the ball is deflated when he's throwing it. I wonder how many "wins" along the way to his rings Brady has been using flat balls?
If they don't grab this INT, we never hear about it. So yes, you're right - all the people saying "why didn't the deflated balls help the Colts" don't realize the Colts weren't using the deflated balls... just the cheatin'ass Pats.
http://deadspin.com/reports-dqwell-jacksons-int-triggered-deflated-ball-in-1680569440?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Don't let me stop you from getting this out of your system now, but how did the deflated ball help Blount run all day on Indy?
As for spying...Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher said every team did it. The Patriots got caught because Eric Mangini informed the league when he left the Patriots to coach the Jets.
Aside from maybe making him less likely to fumble - If it helps the passing game, it helps New England score, it opens up everything.
it's like asking me how having a calculator helped my SAT scores because it totally didn't help on the reading part lol...
Fair enough. I guess we'll see what the league thinks...not that it will change your opinion here. My guess is regardless of the league's ruling, you'll just add "deflated balls" to your ever growing pet list of Pats transgressions against civilization.
The referees handle the ball on every play, why didn't one of them notice.
As for spying...Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher said every team did it. The Patriots got caught because Eric Mangini informed the league when he left the Patriots to coach the Jets.
cowher said every team tried to steal signals, nowhere did he say they used a camera
the fact still remains only one team repeatedly gets caught for cheating and you all know who it is
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The Patriots appear to own large tracts of real estate in so much of the NFL fan's minds.I am staying out of it.
The Patriots appear to own large tracts of real estate in so much of the NFL fan's minds.
Yep - But importantly, each team gets to use the balls that they provide on offense.
The Colts LB grabbed an interception from Brady - and he ran to his coach and said "dude, the ball is deflated". The ball being deflated would help Brady greatly. Colts weren't using deflated balls.
Coach called GM, GM called NFL, and they busted them as 3rd quarter began. Looks to be pretty clean-cut cheating... and Brady's nervous laugh about it when asked this morning was pretty telling. At that level, the quarterback KNOWS if the ball is deflated when he's throwing it. I wonder how many "wins" along the way to his rings Brady has been using flat balls?
If they don't grab this INT, we never hear about it. So yes, you're right - all the people saying "why didn't the deflated balls help the Colts" don't realize the Colts weren't using the deflated balls... just the cheatin'ass Pats.
http://deadspin.com/reports-dqwell-jacksons-int-triggered-deflated-ball-in-1680569440?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
It's not transgressions against civilization. It's cheating in football. It's just something Pats fans need to accept.
It's like ARod and Ortiz = any success they have will be attributed to steroids, whether true or not. Once caught, you get the label.
The Yankees -$$, As = smart, Pats = cheaters, etc.....just part of the team rep and what they're known for.
Does it apply to pro bbers who use steriods?
Does it apply to gym rats who use steriods? Is it cheating?
I'm sure there are people who label steroid users cheaters in bodybuilding and in the gym. However, that's not the discussion. I'm discussing real sports teams and their real reputations.
Same concept...
Look what sure MVP winner Aaron Rodgers told Phil Sims and Sims talked about it during the game in the Patriots-Green Bay regular season game...Where was the outrage then?
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- With all the talk about deflated footballs, an exchange on the CBS broadcast of the New England Patriots' road game against the Green Bay Packers on Nov. 30 seems timely to pass along.
Early in the third quarter, Jim Nantz and Phil Simms had the following discussion on the broadcast:
Rodgers
Nantz: We talked to [Aaron] Rodgers about 'How do you like your footballs?' Because, you know, you can rub them up before the game. [Phil], you really kind of created that for everybody else in the league.
Simms: I don’t know if I did, because the quarterbacks got tired of them complaining. But he said something [that] was unique: 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it’s easier for him to grip. He likes them tight. Of course, he’s got very big hands and you can tell that by watching him play.
Nantz: You’ve never heard of a guy really desiring a football to be fat and overinflated before, have you?
Simms: Everybody wants it smaller and soft, so they can dig their fingers into. He’s such a feel thrower. You can tell. The one touchdown he threw down the field to the tight end is such feel; then he flicks it. That shows you he just has great control of it, with his fingers and hand.
Nantz: He said, 'God gave me big hands and a strong grip.'
Simms: You know, the officials do check those footballs and sometimes maybe even get lucky and put an extra half pound of air in there to help Aaron Rodgers out.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/
So this has been going on for 3 years, at the very least.
I think the only logical punishment is to do what the baseball writers have done with the HOF vote on steroid era guys, everyone is guilty until prove innocent. Give them the Joe Pa treatment; rescind the wins and stats until Belicheck and Brady pass away. Then reinstate them within 3 years.
And also to Aaron Rodgers, right? I mean, I am SURE that you'll want to be consistent here.
AJ I'm going to say no on that one. Normally I dislike ARod, he's hurt my Lions tremendously, but in his case I trust the referees were able to do their jobs correctly for once and deflate those balls. Plus he's allowed a pass because of the Fail Mary game.
Brady is still living off the Tuck Rule, games being ruled in his favor. We've had enough of this cheating team.
*honestly I don't care; it's like the grease/spit/chalk ball or pine tar in baseball, push everything to the limit, do whatever needs done and deal with the consequences later.
If games were ruled in his favor then shouldn't he be given those 2 SB loses ::)
Please tell me which gym rats and which bodybuilders have a national reputation for being labeled cheaters or whose success will be diminished because steroid use and I'll tell you if I agree or not.
Does it matter? Just bc bbing isn't as big as a real sport doesn't change the fact it's cheating right?
The whole concept is if u use PED's then u are a cheater plain and simple, whether it's baseball, football, bbing etc...
That's how society views it correct?
100% correct Bevo, but how exactly does society view bodybuilding?
Most that I know find the Flex magazine cover disgusting and grotesque. Outside of young hopeless dudes, everyone usually makes a comment like "you know these guys are on steroids right?"
I think society views bodybuilding like an extreme pageant show for misguided souls, not a sport or "real" contest.
U are correct
Personally I don't care if a person uses steriods to better their physique or for personal gains , each their own but to say one is cheating cause they play pro baseball and the other isn't while he competes in pro bbing is non sense
Does it matter? Just bc bbing isn't as big as a real sport doesn't change the fact it's cheating right?
The whole concept is if u use PED's then u are a cheater plain and simple, whether it's baseball, football, bbing etc...
That's how society views it correct?
How did 11 balls make it pass the referee?
Conspiracy theory?
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I'm guessing that a football, being under inflated by 2 pounds, is barely noticeable
But to the guy that is throwing that football; it's easier to hold on to, and it's easier to not fumble. Probably is a tad easier to catch too.
Who cares? Its just a childs game played by minorities who belong in jail anyways.
Who cares? Its just a childs game played by minorities who belong in jail anyways.
Patriots preferred Superbowl game ball
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That's a good nerf ball. We have that one. Giants version, of course.
I mis judged DeflateGate. Thought it would just be a blurb and disappear.
It's just another in a pantheon of reasons for folks to hate the Pats. That said, 11 out of 12? That seems pretty blatant.
Oh well, I am a big believer in #11 in "Rules of a Gunfight": Always cheat, always win.
the Pats can afford to pay the fine and all, so what.....they'll get their 4th Trophy and let the media do the rest for the off season about a fucking deflated football..... ::)
The "sportswriter" that "broke" the story was on a Boston local sports radio station (98.5) this morning thundering his demand that Kraft fire Belichick. At the end of the day, this is always about various people's agendas.
As if Kraft is going to fire the greatest evil genius in NFL coaching history.
If you've been struggling to care about the Patriots being accused of deflating footballs, and have been hoping the whole thing would just blow over so we could get to talking about a truly excellent and fascinating Super Bowl matchup, you, my friend, are shit out of luck. Ballghazi is real, and it is just the thing to fill an off-week.
ESPN reported last night that a league investigation has discovered that 11 of the Patriots' 12 footballs used in their whupping of the Colts were underinflated, and by a significant margin: two pounds per square inch below the acceptable 12.5-13.5 psi range. The NFL, per Chris Mortensen's source, is "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," not because there might be shenanigans going on here—no one should be shocked at that—but because the league now has to deal with this bullshit. ("Distraught!" This is the best, dumbest scandal.)
The more context that emerges, the more it feels like messing with footballs is akin to pitchers doctoring baseballs: everybody does it, and nobody looks too closely until an opponent publicly complains. Aaron Rodgers says he likes his balls overinflated. Brad Johnson says that before the Super Bowl, he paid "some guys" $7,500 to illegally rough up 100 game balls. Quarterbacks are understandably particular about the feel of their footballs, and teams seem to have an unspoken agreement to respect each other's freedom to squeeze and scuff and shine their own balls to their preference, as long as it stays within the bounds of decency. Either the Patriots went beyond those bounds, or the Colts were extra-salty and felt they had nothing to lose.
If the Pats won 35-33 or was a close game I can see this being an issue. But sorry. Underinflated balls didn't help the Pats win 45-7. The Colts were outclassed altogether. The balls were not the issue.
I'm going to predict the NFL will SUSPEND Belichick for the first 4-6 games of the 2015-2016 NFL season.
But in the cold rain, pats were throwing very comfortably early, while the Colts had to play safe with more runs early since the ball was harder to hold on to. That changed the game plans for both. Second half, and now the Colts HAVE to throw, so NE is better able to defend. And second half, Pats are playing with a nice lead, which means Colts are crowding the line (lots of runs) so it's easy to break big passes, which they did.
playing with a nice lead is a HUGE advantage in football, moreso than in other sports. When you're up 14, you can run nonstop and you have wide open deep plays. When youre down 14, your gameplan is predictable and easy to defend. I'm not saying Colts would have won, but I'm saying it if it was close at halftime, it's close at the end of the game. Pats used a flat ball to make some really nice CATCHES early which set the Pats up with an advatnage for the entire game.
My prediction is that this type of crystal ball gazing is going to be LIFETIME for Pat's Haters.
Yes, you are right, 2 PSI more in the ball and the Colts will 58-45. You sir, have NAILED IT.
If those balls aren't deflated, Gronk doesn't make that fingertip catch in the hard rain like that.
If those balls aren't deflated, Brady's tiny-ass hands can't grip the ball so well in the rain and is less accurate, maybe fumbles.
Brady admitted in 2011 it gives him an advantage to under-inflate balls
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/
If the Pats won 35-33 or was a close game I can see this being an issue. But sorry. Underinflated balls didn't help the Pats win 45-7. The Colts were outclassed altogether. The balls were not the issue.
And since we are onto picayune second-guessing, I would like to add that I am suspicious of the league here. Was there a proper chain of evidence that was preserved for the balls as they went to the place to get tested? Was the testing facility vetted by both teams? Were the balls kept in a constant temperature, humidity and barometric pressure environment prior to testing? if not, I question the validity of the tests.
Do you really doubt that this is beyond something the Patriots would do?
Do you really doubt that this is beyond something the Patriots would do?
Nope, it's something that ALL TEAMS DO to make the footballs comfortable for the quarterback. Read the whole deadspin article that I posted above.
Will you whiny pussies please shut up about this deflated ball situation? Thank you. People with love of shitty teams piling on winning teams.
Will you whiny pussies please shut up about this deflated ball situation? Thank you. People with love of shitty teams piling on winning teams.
They all deflate footballs beyond the range specified in the rules?
I just heard it put very well - if you get pulled over for speeding and your record is clean, the officer might let you go. If you have prior offenses, the officer is more likely to give you a ticket.
Goes back to what I said earlier - Pats have this label by most of the country. Whether Pats fans believe it or not is irrelevant.
It's the hot sports topic everywhere and this is a message board.
Patriot Nation
Actually, we are rather enjoying being the Oakland Raiders of the 21st century.
Nope, it's something that ALL TEAMS DO to make the footballs comfortable for the quarterback. Read the whole deadspin article that I posted above.
wow I had no idea you were such a homer.
I could care less either way, bottom line that is some shady shit, and gave Brady an advantage.
LOL! Great video:
LOL! Great video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153157734490809&fref=nf
Lots of experts are saying the BIGGEST advantage is for the running back - it's near impossible to knock out a ball being carried when flat.
Turns out, the three Pats running backs had a combined ZERO fumbles this season. ;) Hmmmmm If they were doing this all year, then YES, it has a huge impact on how the year turned out.
And right after Brady throws that pick, he RUNS TO THE REF and asks for that ball back! HAHAHAHA he totally knew his ass was busted.
do you even watch football :o to say the game would have turned out different is fucking laughable,if you knew anything about football you would have seen the holes the o line was opening for blunt,and the fact that all of lucks receiver were covered the whole game and they could not run the ball.that had nothing to do with the ball being 2 psi less
a whole lotta people who know football say it had a big impact on receivers being able to catch, and on RBs being able to hold onto the ball. 2 PSI from the minimum is actually fairly flat. And you can see why Brady ran to get that ball back. COLTS player wanted it - a pick from HOFer Brady in the championship game. Brady tried to steal it back. the colts equipment team noticed and handed it to ref.
Brady woudln't have cheated, if there wasn't an advantage to be gained from it. And his high pitched giggling when asked Monday AM about the flat balls... Brady gave it away there.
Maybe it didn't help one bit. Maybe it helped a lot. EITHER WAY, Brady was cheating. A top QB knows every inch of that ball, they know if it's 2 pSI under... and him trying to collect the ball really shows us he was concerned about being caught.
again you don't have a clue on what your talking about 2 psi is not fairly flat,an idiot like you wouldn't be able to tell unless you had another football there
Colin Cowherd did a nice action piece on the air today. He has been supporting Brady's cheating, saying it's just part of the game, etc. Today he tossed arouond 2 balls with his producer... and Colin had to admit the balls down 2 PSI were way easier to catch. His guy didn't drop any but had a harder time catching the fully-filled balls.
It's common sense that a slightly flatter ball is easier to catch, easier to hold onto during runs. And the only argument now is "well, it probably didn't help THAT much..." LOL
again ,mr. no nothing ,you said a football with 10 and a half psi is fairly flat,anybody that knows anything knows thats not true
Blount fumbled a lot - once every 49 carries with PIT.
Then he comes to NE, plays in worse conditions, and has zero fumbles ;)
having a flat ball will do that. Zero fumbles on NE RBs this year.
A few teams were doing it and the NFL sent out a notice to all teams telling them to stop. NE decided to ignore the memo and kept on doing it, but it wasn't unique to them.
The Patriots appear to own large tracts of real estate in so much of the NFL fan's minds.
Jerome bettis on SC right now... explaining how much benefit is seen for a RB for using a flattened ball.
Way easier to prevent strips, way easier to fall without losing it. Kinda shuts down the non-NFL-veterans saying a flatter ball doesn't help the running game.
Jerome bettis on SC right now... explaining how much benefit is seen for a RB for using a flattened ball.
Way easier to prevent strips, way easier to fall without losing it. Kinda shuts down the non-NFL-veterans saying a flatter ball doesn't help the running game.
They fucking lost 45-7. Flat ball or not, NE would have won with just 10 players on the field.
Update: Both teams played with regulation footballs after halftime (Patriots played better with the regulation footballs) ;)
Aaron Rodgers likes to play with an over-inflated ball.
Former quarterback Brad Johnson (240's boy) says he liked an under-inflated ball as well.
To think that other teams didn't do this, is absurd.
Dude, facts aren't going to get through. We're into blind hatred now.
Yes, how stupid of us all to not realize this is just another case of "every team doing it" but only New England getting caught.
Drew Magary hits it out of the park
http://deadspin.com/the-ballghazi-takes-are-here-and-they-are-fucking-insa-1680877948
By the way, somehow Pats fans are handling this even worse.
Former quarterback Brad Johnson (240's boy) says he liked an under-inflated ball as well.
Except for cheating. They're mostly defined as cheaters.
LOL @ Belicheat press conference. "Someone must have mixed up the practice balls with the live footballs"
bwahahahahhaha lies, lies, lies. This will make it worse. He should just OWN IT. he' going to play dumb. There is NO WAY Brady didn't know he was using deflated balls... and ravens and colts both complained about it this year. The teams knew, the NFL was chasing them for it.
Belicheat playing dumb lol. "It wasn't me..." I'll turn the mic over to Tom Brady, he'll tell you the same...
They'll pay a ballboy a million bucks to say he did it on his own because he was a fan of the team lol... watch, later today we'll hear a press release from a ballboy right before he retires in his new mansion.
He had no knowledge of the situation till Monday Morning. The NFL is investigating the situation, they are fully cooperating. He has no explanation for what happened. He has no other comments about the situation.
Yup. Belichek is known and praised for having complete control and knowledge of every minute aspect of his football team.
Except for this.
Sounds believable.
Yup. Belichek is known and praised for having complete control and knowledge of every minute aspect of his football team.
Except for this.
Sounds believable.
Yeah, I have proof dipshit. ::)
lets here it ,you sound like a guy that his team is outside looking in :D :D :D :D
I don't have proof, but I'm not going to assume something that directly contradicts everything we've heard about the man for over a decade.
For example, I also have no proof you were dropped on your head at a young age, but am comfortable assuming it after reading your posts. Same thing.
"I have no proof, but my hatred is a living thing and it is whispering in my ear"
"I have no proof, but my hatred is a living thing and it is whispering in my ear"
he just a typical crybaby fan,lives his life though his team :D
This is mostly fun just to see Pats fans in a tizzy and show their hypocrisy.
LOL @ Tom Brady having a 4:30pm EST news conference on Friday afternoon for a weekend news dump lol.
LOL @ Tom Brady having a 4:30pm EST news conference on Friday afternoon for a weekend news dump lol.
Not really. I knew my team was not going to be in contention in Week 6. Any other canned responses you want to try?
This is mostly fun just to see Pats fans in a tizzy and show their hypocrisy.
the pats fans are going to watch their team in the super bowl,you on the other hand is folding your manning shirt and putting it away till next year.that's what it amounts to :D
We are defending our team, which you would do with the Giants in the same situation. The setup here is that even if the Pats win, it'll always have an asterisk next to it.
Makes me wish that the league would do something really stupid and disqualify the Pats from the SB. Give it to the Colts, who are so mentally crushed from that ass-kicking that they would immediately fold in the SB and the Seahawks would win 60-0. Then the Seahawks would have an asterisk next to their win as EVERYBODY would know that it wasn't because the 'Hawks were good, but because the league lost its fucking mind and disqualified a team for a slight (yes, SLIGHT) equipment failure.
Please Breer Fox, PLEASE throw us in that briar patch.
the pats fans are going to watch their team in the super bowl,you on the other hand is folding your manning shirt and putting it away till next year.that's what it amounts to :D
Jokes on you, my Manning shirt is on a hanger.
Run along now, dummy, the adults are having a conversation here.
Honestly, AJ, if the Giants were accused of it, I'd say "oh well", because it wouldn't diminish another championship to me. And, if Belichek was my coach, I would think this was something he was capable of.
The problem is, the dimwits up here can't wrap their little heads around it. Whereas I'm accustomed to hearing everyone tag the Yankees with buying everything, NE fans can't handle that what they hold so dear is laughed at and chalked up to cheating.
It's their own fault. It started in 2004 with the sox - the fanbase finally had a team to call champs and instead of being grateful, they turned into arrogant pricks, thinking they were going to dominate from here on it. They would "take over" stadiums, brag about doing it clean (oops), make threats blogs, etc would have to deal with "the nation" (oh brother), etc...
That's why this is funny to me - they've all become so predictable with this stuff.
your the typ. crybaby fan,my team doesn't make it and i'll cry and complain all the way to the championship game
No, I am a sports fan who could walk to Gillette stadium in an hour, so I am very familiar with the team. Anyway, you don't have the brain power to really add anything here, so go back to whork getting owned in the political forum.
I get it with the Sox, the fan base and especially the management were so delusional after the 2013 Series. I know that most folks conflate the Pats fan base with the Sox fan base, but there are subtle differences. So many of the Sox fans can't even tell you the first fucking thing about baseball. Pats fans, OTOH, live and breathe this stuff. And some of us have been around for a while.
Any Pats fan that can remember the fucking Grogan years (off-tackle right, off-tackle left, pass, punt) ought to be excused from protecting their team. Yes, the fans (like my son) that grew up only knowing Brady as the QB have nothing to complain about.
I used to wait tables on weekends to supplement my income when I first started in advertising, waited on Grogan once. One of the waiters kept his beer bottle (lol- creepy).
I see him all the time. He owns a sporting goods store.
I have plenty of good, smart Pats fans friends (one actually got "known" for his signs at the stadium and used to get on the jumbotron each game). It's just the fan base as a WHOLE is pretty f'd up, so it's fun.
I used to wait tables on weekends to supplement my income when I first started in advertising, waited on Grogan once. One of the waiters kept his beer bottle (lol- creepy).John 3:16
I see him all the time. He owns a sporting goods store.
I have plenty of good, smart Pats fans friends (one actually got "known" for his signs at the stadium and used to get on the jumbotron each game). It's just the fan base as a WHOLE is pretty f'd up, so it's fun.
John 3:16
98.5 is the local radio station that plays the Pats games and they are anything but homers. They have been all over this from the beginning and were even saying this morning that there is HUGE diff in feel between 10.5 and 12.5 psi. They were not happy when Belichick seemed to be throwing Brady under the bus in his presser this morning. It might be the result of some collusion between Belichick and Brady, or it might be that Bill is really pissed about this and is taking it out on the real culprit.
My guess is that Brady and Belichick gamed this out and Brady is going to cop to liking soft balls (*snort*) and saying that he probably had been pushing the limits and will take whatever punishment that the league decides is appropriate. It would be a smart thing to do and there's no way that the league would suspend him for the SB.
Tony Mazz is my favorite radio personality - totally real, great baseball mind, anything but a homer. I didnt hear Felger/Mazz yesterday, but it doesn't surprise me if they were on point. T&R were too........EEI.....diffe rent story, same with Gresh and Zo.....all homers.
It was T&R this morning that had the balls in studio.
Mazz is hilarious. He will give you 20 reasons why the Pats or the Sox or the Bruins can't win on any given night.
Zo can be somewhat excused, he's the color commentary guy for the games. It's his bread and butter.
woah, woah, dilfer is my boy.
BJohnson sucked donkey balls.
Grape Ape, Felger and Mazz are fucking going to TOWN of Belichick right now. They don't buy any of his bullshit. Hilarious!
Goodell could show he has BALLS and suspend them both for SUper Bowl.Funny guy. ;D
Goodell could show he has BALLS and suspend them both for SUper Bowl.This is what makes you sound like a moron.
Goodell could show he has BALLS and suspend them both for SUper Bowl.
The NFL is a business first and a sport second. Suspending one of the SB quarterbacks is terrible for business.
I am all for punishing Belichick and/or Brady if the investigation proves that they knew about it.
Belichick: 500k fine, and suspended for the first 6 games next season
Brady: 200k, and a 2 game suspension.
Team should probably give up a 2nd round draft pick as well.
If they were found breaking the rules, then they deserve to pay for it. However, lets not act like this had any effect on the outcome of the game.
People asking for the Patriots or Belichick/Brady to miss the superbowl are morons.
Thats how this Patriot fan feels.
That's what the retards are clamoring for.
Why stop there? Pete Rose their asses now, NO super bowl , just give it to Seattle NOW or have the Colts Suit up
I am all for punishing Belichick and/or Brady if the investigation proves that they knew about it.
Belichick: 500k fine, and suspended for the first 6 games next season
Brady: 200k, and a 2 game suspension.
Team should probably give up a 2nd round draft pick as well.
If they were found breaking the rules, then they deserve to pay for it. However, lets not act like this had any effect on the outcome of the game.
People asking for the Patriots or Belichick/Brady to miss the superbowl are morons.
Thats how this Patriot fan feels.
It's obvious the NFL doesn't have anything on how the balls got underdeflated...Bill B and Brady wouldn't have put themselves out there by denying it completely if they thought the NFL could prove anything. Bottom line is sure they deflated the balls and broke the rules. But unless someone can prove that they did it, then its a moot point. The NFL has to step up their quality control issues on the footballs prior to all games.
troy aikman calls brady a cheaterTroy Aikman couldn't carry Brady's jock. We all saw what Brady could do with a Hall of Fame WR.
i actually said a few pages back that brady is the best ever, is it too soon to change my mind?
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They may not be able to rove who did it, but could still punish NE for supplying illegal footballs. That will show the admit wrongdoing and NE will be further fried in the court of public opinion.
Grape Ape, Felger and Mazz are fucking going to TOWN of Belichick right now. They don't buy any of his bullshit. Hilarious!
Troy Aikman couldn't carry Brady's jock. We all saw what Brady could do with a Hall of Fame WR.
Aikman had a Hall of Fame WR and Running back for almost his entire career.
he said the punishment should be greater than bountygateI watched the press conference. After I heard that gem, I knew that Brady was a Getbigger.
"it's not ISIS" - tom brady ::)
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Trey Wingo said it best on NFL Live today: "Look, we know that they weren't the only ones that did this. They are just the ones that got caught."
Why are the Patriots the only ones getting caught doing things then?
Seems there are a lot of jealous rats around the league, who love to drop the dime on the Patriots.
Maybe because they are successful? Why not tell on another team during the regular season, if they seem to know that multiple teams do this?
That is what I have a problem with.
Bountygate was basically encouraging players to injure other players for monetary gain.
A little more serious than letting a little air out of a ball.
Not saying I agreed with Payton getting a year for it either.
disagree, football is a very violent sport to begin withRaping a girl in a bathroom stall is worse.
cheating is worse
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troy aikman calls brady a cheater
i actually said a few pages back that brady is the best ever, is it too soon to change my mind?
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Yes that title still goes to Joe Montana 8) :D
Raping a girl in a bathroom stall is worse.
i agree, who did that?Oh that's right, they couldn't find enough evidence ;)
he went to my high school, so did scott zolak
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Trey Wingo said it best on NFL Live today: "Look, we know that they weren't the only ones that did this. They are just the ones that got caught."
Why are the Patriots the only ones getting caught doing things then?
Seems there are a lot of jealous rats around the league, who love to drop the dime on the Patriots.
Maybe because they are successful? Why not tell on another team during the regular season, if they seem to know that multiple teams do this?
That is what I have a problem with.
Everyone does it but yet ONLY the Pats get caught AGAIN. Yeah ok. I guess the Pats are great at cheating, but just bad at covering it up.Most successful NFL franchise of the last 15 years.
Who is jealous of three tainted super bowls from over a decade ago. In the last then years, the Pats are more defined by agonizing superbowl losses, playoff choking, and cheating. Oh wait, you have all these division titles to be proud of. ::)
Nobody is jealous of the Pats. They hate them because of the arrogance of their fan base, and because the arrogance of their coach. Oh, and the cheating. Can't forget the copious amount of cheating.
Most successful NFL franchise of the last 15 years.
FACT.
In my world, getting to a superbowl is an accomplishment in its own right.
6 superbowls and 9 AFC championship games since 2001.
A model of success and consistency.
How long has it been since the Giants have been in the playoffs?
Most successful NFL franchise of the last 15 years.
FACT.
In my world, getting to a superbowl is an accomplishment in its own right.
6 superbowls and 9 AFC championship games since 2001.
A model of success and consistency.
How long has it been since the Giants have been in the playoffs?
Sorry, nobody cares about division titles - every team that has won a Superbowl since NE did would not trade it for all the Pats' regular season success. You know this.I never said division titles (although I think its 12 in that 15 year span)
You have one of the resident retards in blacken supporting you, that should tell you where you are in this.
And Giants questions don't bother me. I knew they were out of it long ago this year, but I have enough good memories to get me through this rough patch they're in, and can't wait to see what Beckham, Cruz, and a year of this new offense under the belt can accomplish. Plus, this topic has nothing to do with them.
I think the fines you stated before were fair. Of course the extremists calling for them not to go to the bowl are crazy. But this one's leaving another big mark on the franchise. Pats turned heel for good.
I never said division titles (although I think its 12 in that 15 year span)
I said 9 AFC championship games in 15 years, with a current 4 in a row streak.
Most people would trade 1 superbowl, for the opportunity to go to one every year.
You have to go to playoffs and get to conference championship games to have that chance.
Try baby steps for your G-men. Maybe 9-7 can be a reasonable goal for next year.
Lol
Sorry, nobody cares about division titles - every team that has won a Superbowl since NE did would not trade it for all the Pats' regular season success. You know this.
You have one of the resident retards in blacken supporting you, that should tell you where you are in this.
And Giants questions don't bother me. I knew they were out of it long ago this year, but I have enough good memories to get me through this rough patch they're in, and can't wait to see what Beckham, Cruz, and a year of this new offense under the belt can accomplish. Plus, this topic has nothing to do with them.
I think the fines you stated before were fair. Of course the extremists calling for them not to go to the bowl are crazy. But this one's leaving another big mark on the franchise. Pats turned heel for good.
All that matters is the title. All the other stuff is a nice story, but doesn't matter. Fans don't work up a hatred for another team for getting to championship games and losing superbowls.So you dont consider the Giants superbowl season of 2000 a successful one?
So you dont consider the Giants superbowl season of 2000 a successful one?
You are a hard guy to please.
The season is successful in that they got to the bowl, but it doesn't mean much overall. It ended in complete disappointment. They lost a super bowl to Trent Dilfer, that's gotta be the football equivalent to bill buckner or something.
The season is successful in that they got to the bowl, but it doesn't mean much overall. It ended in complete disappointment. They lost a super bowl to Trent Dilfer, that's gotta be the football equivalent to bill buckner or something.
LOL...your G-men had no idea what kind of ass kicking they were walking into that day.
Let me correct you. You lost to a top 5 all-time defensive team that held a Giants offense to ZERO points. Not to mention that Dilfer played a hell of game himself. Dilfer wasn't that bad over the course of his career. Not the most physically gifted but SMART. He learned to play within the game as his career progressed. He was the perfect guy to lead that team. Cut down on the mistakes and became a good game manager. You don't last 14 years in the NFL if you suck.
Blows me away to this day that the Ravens let him go and chose Elvis fucking Grbac instead. They brought the entire defense back and mortgaged the next few years for a chance to repeat. If they would have kept Dilfer, they might have carried over their momentum into a repeat. Oh well. :-\
I retroactively feel better now.
At the time, the Giants had just ransacked Minny 41-0, so I guess our expectations were higher than they maybe should have been.
Not as crushing as the patriots 2007 season. That was utter failure , complete disappointment
Their perfect season ruined ;D they actually never recovered and get ready for another possible upset
If brady loses this one he's never going to recover
3-3 in SB's he's so competitive that being there is not an achievement, he wants to WIN!
i agree, who did that?
I wonder if this is somehow a conspiracy theory. Drum up publicity for the game, to pull in more money.
Maybe the NWO or Freemasons are part of this conspiracy.
Maybe Belichik and Brady knew about this all along and were paid off.
Doubtful. This matchup is excellent from a football perspective, and had plenty of storyline already - Seattle looking to repeat, one of the greatest QBs ever looking for his first legit SB, etc......didn't need this, and I'm sure it's the last thing Belichek would ever agree to do.
Plus, who thought so many would be so passionate about this goofy subject.
Well, I was just joking/trolling.
But it would be funny if it came out that it was a conspiracy theory that was orchestrated by the NWO. :D :D
Google Vince Lombardi and writers across the Country fall over backwards to suck the guys dick about how great he was. Yet in 1951, he was the assistant coach for Army(West Point) when 43 for his 45 players were kicked out of the military and off the team for cheating on Tests...People give the coaches of Army a free pass over that scandal which is a joke imop...Lombardi is known for saying "Winning isn't everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING"! And although he didn't coin the phrase, he was known to use that phrase a lot with his players...
Paul "Bear" Bryant also did some scandalous things during his times (gave money to students to help them out).
AL Davis oakland owner supposedly bugged visitors locker rooms. Although I don't think he ever admitted it, people around him have stated that Davis heard Vince Lombardi use to do it...
We have a pole smoker Troy Aikman come out and say the Patriots should have the book thrown at them. Stfu up Aikman you phony...You just want Brady out of the way so your stats look even better...Aikman is living a Tom Cruise/John Travolta type life with a beard wife and all.
What are u talking about? His stats dont even compare to Brady's, only thing they both have in common as of right now is the number of SB wins
He played better in the second half with the regulation balls.
at that point, he had a nice 3-score lead. The Pats knew the Colts had to throw. Pats converted to a running game to protect the lead. WHen you're playing with a lead in the playoffs, and you're in new england, life is very good.Umm...... the score was 17-7 at halftime.
and it doesnt' matter if it helped them 1% or 90%, they're cheaters that were mocking the idea on Monday and now pointing fingers on Thursday.
Umm...... the score was 17-7 at halftime.
How is that a 3 score lead? Pats knew they could run the ball on the Colts. The had beaten them the previous 3 times by 20+ points a game.
They were simply better Rob.
The Patriots had two interceptions on Luck. I guess Revis and Collins had no problems catching Luck's regulation balls.
Belichick and Brady better know something behind the scenes that we don't, otherwise they may get the book thrown at them.
Maybe the equipment guy was supposed to take the fall the entire time.
Proves that the psi of the ball is purely psychological for Brady though.
He played better in the second half with the regulation balls.
Yup, I believe that. They'll take the equipment guy, who might be having his dream job, and take care of him, and he'll never talk.I agree. Come to a conclusion in the investigation, dole out the punishment, and move on.
I don't think it proves it's only psychological. It was one half - Brady could have a good half throwing a brick. Of the course of a season, it could have a pretty decent impact. In no way to I think the Colts would have won, but it's not the point.
But, there's still no way Brady couldn't tell, and the video Rob posted supports that. Brady's answers will calculated non answers. He probably does this all the time, and just finally got nabbed.
Fine the pats, take away the draft picks, and get back to football. The real damage is already done.
at that point, he had a nice 3-score lead. The Pats knew the Colts had to throw. Pats converted to a running game to protect the lead. When you're playing with a lead in the playoffs, and you're in new england, life is very good.
and it doesnt' matter if it helped them 1% or 90%, they're cheaters that were mocking the idea on Monday and now pointing fingers on Thursday.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12206777
GREAT video on how easy it is to tell regular balls from deflated, and the many advantages of a flattened ball.
NO WAY Brady didn't know. Just not believable.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12206777
GREAT video on how easy it is to tell regular balls from deflated, and the many advantages of a flattened ball.
NO WAY Brady didn't know. Just not believable.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12206777
GREAT video on how easy it is to tell regular balls from deflated, and the many advantages of a flattened ball.
NO WAY Brady didn't know. Just not believable.
LOL...your G-men had no idea what kind of ass kicking they were walking into that day.
Let me correct you. You lost to a top 5 all-time defensive team that held a Giants offense to ZERO points. Not to mention that Dilfer played a hell of game himself. Dilfer wasn't that bad over the course of his career. Not the most physically gifted but SMART. He learned to play within the game as his career progressed. He was the perfect guy to lead that 2000 Raven team. Cut down on the mistakes and became a good game manager. You don't last 14 years in the NFL if you suck.
Blows me away to this day that the Ravens let him go and chose Elvis fucking Grbac instead. They brought the entire defense back and mortgaged the next few years for a chance to repeat. If they would have kept Dilfer, they might have carried over their momentum into a repeat. Oh well. :-\
Steelers QB - Ben R
dilfer was underrated, but grbac was coming off a pro bowl seasonHow can you call Hostetler the worst quarterback? It was actually pretty remarkable what he did. He was thrust into the starting roll for a good part of the 1990 season. A shit backup of today would have failed miserably.
the 2001 defense wasn't as good as 2000
the worst qb to win a super bowl was giants qb jeff hostetler
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huh he did? quick call millegeville georgia authorities because you apparently have the evidence to charge him for a crime rather than seeing it as a whore that followed him from bar to bar across town while wearing a "DTF" tagLook whos defending his quarterback now. :D
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How can you call Hostetler the worst quarterback? It was actually pretty remarkable what he did. He was thrust into the starting roll for a good part of the 1990 season. A shit backup of today would have failed miserably.
Besides, Jeff guided the Raiders to the AFC championship game vs the Bills as the Raiders starting quarterback. ;)
he was a backup, typically super bowl quarterbacks are franchise playersNope. That 2001 championship season was great. The Patriots had to go to Pittsburgh (you should remember) for the AFC title game. During the game, Brady rolled his ankle, and had to be replaced by Bledsoe for awhile. Bledsoe played great, and threw a touchdown pass, which really fired up the team.
the real answer would've been tom brady if belichek went back to bledoes like many said he should've at the time :)
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Nope. That 2001 championship season was great. The Patriots had to go to Pittsburgh (you should remember) for the AFC title game. During the game, Brady rolled his ankle, and had to be replaced by Bledsoe for awhile. Bledsoe played great, and threw a touchdown pass, which really fired up the team.
I was glad that Bledsoe was able to help keep the team steady in that game.
I liked Bledsoe, but he was a turnover machine for the majority of his career.
i know but if you remember the controversy going into that super bowl was should the pats play brady or bledoeHindsight is 20/20 my friend. I'm sure I was all in on Bledsoe getting his job back too.
during the offseason they had to make a decision between the two of them, they traded bledsoe to the bills where he made the pro bowl, brady led the pats to 9 -7 record and they missed the playoffs, a lot of people thought the pats should've stuck with bledsoe
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It does my heart good to see Shizzo using his powers for good (the Pats) here. Team Shizzo!Are you referring to my "all knowing" powers? :D
The NFL/Media are trying so hard to turn the Seahawks into a current day version of the old Oakland Raiders.
The Seahawks aren't.
I hope the Patriots win by 40.
I don't beleive that Tom didn't know. I play football all the time and know immediately when the ball needs some air. I'm pretty sure Brady who is a professional QB would tell in a second.
The obvious is this. It was rainy and he needed a better grip. A hard ball when wet is slippery, no homo, but soft it can be easier to grip, especially with a glove. I wouldn't be shocked that since Manning switched to gloves that he uses an underinflated ball as well. Try to get a full football and throw with and without gloves. World of difference.
But did that alter Indy's game? Nope. They still only scored 7 points.
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Mark Brunell...Pro Bowl, Super Bowl quarterback. Stellar reputation as a class guy...was handed two balls on camera on ESPN. 1 deflated 15% and one regulation....he said "WOW !......I could easily throw this ball ten yards further and with much better control, especially in inclement weather. This would be a huge advantage."You see the way Brady was acting when they were playing Baltimore?
Stop with the bullshit. Who knows what the score would have been if Luck had doctored footballs too.
Its a joke... Fines, draft picks..... The damage is done and they are in the Super Bowl they don't give a fuck. Goodell should DQ them. Its CHEATING straight up..no grey area.
And it all makes perfect sense now, because when you're watching the game the Colts look like they're playing and shitty weather and can't get things rolling, and the Pats are just business as usual.... making one handed catches and shit.
How anybody could gloat over that victory is amazing to me....Brady is a sneaky fucking pussy, fkng cheating. He deserves a kick in the balls.
You see the way Brady was acting when they were playing Baltimore?
Bill Belichick just had a news conference...Basically broke it all down and told everyone to fuck off. Your move NFL...
Yes, it was great. Two days ago he said he knew nothing about this, today he's a PHD in temperature and it's effects on football psi.
And Pats fans ate it up "see, he was telling the truth!"
So many ex QBs and players have said it would be impossible for Brady not to know. NFL just wants this business done, and will punish the Pats next year.
did you turn heel on the pats?No, just poking fun at the situation.
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No, just poking fun at the situation.
Brady/Belichick will always be my boys.
You realize they cheated their asses off right ?
I'm sorry, but cheating at a game is for pussies in my book. They have no honor
What about people who use steroids and then say they don`t and have to play or compete with those who don`t? ???
You realize they cheated their asses off right ?
I'm sorry, but cheating at a game is for pussies in my book. They have no honor
Reports coming out that the Colts made sure all their balls were at 13.5 for the game verse the Pats because they knew that the balls were going to be tested. Some are saying Colts QB Luck was pissed that he had to play with a ball with more air in it then he normally plays with just so the Colts could try to prove their point. Luck had a horrible day throwing the ball and was 1 out of 8 on deep balls. His bread and butter. If this is true, it has to go down as one of the biggest backfires of all time.
Reports coming out that the Colts made sure all their balls were at 13.5 for the game verse the Pats because they knew that the balls were going to be tested. Some are saying Colts QB Luck was pissed that he had to play with a ball with more air in it then he normally plays with just so the Colts could try to prove their point. Luck had a horrible day throwing the ball and was 1 out of 8 on deep balls. His bread and butter. If this is true, it has to go down as one of the biggest backfires of all time.
Reports coming out that the Colts made sure all their balls were at 13.5 for the game verse the Pats because they knew that the balls were going to be tested. Some are saying Colts QB Luck was pissed that he had to play with a ball with more air in it then he normally plays with just so the Colts could try to prove their point. Luck had a horrible day throwing the ball and was 1 out of 8 on deep balls. His bread and butter. If this is true, it has to go down as one of the biggest backfires of all time.
Reports coming out that the Colts made sure all their balls were at 13.5 for the game verse the Pats because they knew that the balls were going to be tested. Some are saying Colts QB Luck was pissed that he had to play with a ball with more air in it then he normally plays with just so the Colts could try to prove their point. Luck had a horrible day throwing the ball and was 1 out of 8 on deep balls. His bread and butter. If this is true, it has to go down as one of the biggest backfires of all time.
What l about people who use steroids and then say they don`t and have to play or compete with those who don`t? ???
Reports from where? Foxboro?
I hope New England wins the SB! That'll really piss everyone off ;D
I bet a little bit each week, and I have no f'n idea how to pick this game.
I can see a tight game, the seahawks getting to brady and giving the yips, or even NE handling seattle with ease.
No clue.
I think a lot of it will be if Seattle gets creative and utilizes Wilson's legs. When they don't, the offense seems to stagnate like it did for 3Q vs. Green Bay. When they opened it up, they looked unbeatable.
I know this will sound obvious but Seattle is a big play offense...if they make their share they win.
Rarely do I think either team can win in a blowout, in this case a lopsided score
either way wouldn't surprise me.
lol... imagine if, using properly inflated balls in the Super Bowl, Brady is suddenly inaccurate and average as a QB. His little girly hands trying to grip a grown man's football. Suddenly Gronk isn't one-handing passes so easily. WOW... imagine how many of those insane gronk catches were due to a 9.8 inflated football lol.
Then we will have to wonder just how much of his success over the years has been due to long-term cheating.
This is amazing. Pats fans dismissed the whole thing yesterday after Belichek "disproved" the whole thing with a scientific study.
Today, Bill Nye said Belichek's stuff didn't make any sense, and now Pats fans are saying THE SCIENCE GUY is full of shit.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24992056/bill-nye-the-science-guy-on-belichick-what-he-said-didnt-make-any-sense
Read the comments under any of these sportsline articles. They are losing their minds.
This is amazing. Pats fans dismissed the whole thing yesterday after Belichek "disproved" the whole thing with a scientific study.
Today, Bill Nye said Belichek's stuff didn't make any sense, and now Pats fans are saying THE SCIENCE GUY is full of shit.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24992056/bill-nye-the-science-guy-on-belichick-what-he-said-didnt-make-any-sense
Read the comments under any of these sportsline articles. They are losing their minds.
But, if they kick-ass, will it change your opinion? If not, you ought to examine your double-standards.
the advantage of a flat ball is not even debateable. stacks of former pros on espn have demonstrated the amazing ability to hold onto ball, grip for tiny handed twinks, and ease of the 1-handed catch with a flatter ball.
People hate on the Patriots for the same reason people hate on the Yankees: Jealous that both teams have dominated their respective sports for so long.
ps - i am neither a patriot not a yankee fan
People hate on the Patriots for the same reason people hate on the Yankees: Jealous that both teams have dominated their respective sports for so long.
ps - i am neither a patriot not a yankee fan
Stat of the day.
Pats had Zero fumbles at home this season.
I remember a game where they played at home in horrible snow. Thought it was going to be a low scoring game but the Pats just threw bomb after bomb and the recievers were grabbing them like velcro on their hands. I was in awe at how they were playing that way in the storm when the opposing team couldn't pass for shit. makes you wonder now.
the pats won 3 out of 4 super bowls... 10 -13 years ago
the yankees have like 27 titles in a span of the last 100 years or so
the yankees are hated because they out spend everybody else, the pats are hated because they have been caught cheating twice, which is about two times more than every other team
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people hate because they're good,don't kid yourself and for other teams don't cheat give me a break they all cheat one way or another,any team that has a player using steroids has an unfair advantage and is cheating
you're the one kidding yourself, plenty of teams have had more success than them
they all cheat? funny how the pats are the only ones that get caught, everybody says how smart belicheck is well if he's so smart why is he the only one that gets caught cheating if they're all cheating?
steroids are a part of ALL sports, until you can prove to me that every team videotapes and deflates balls you have no argument
legends of the game are calling them cheaters
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it's obvious your a hater,to say only the pats cheat is just proves it lol.by the way steroids are against the nfl rules so it is cheating lol
you're the one kidding yourself, plenty of teams have had more success than them
they all cheat? funny how the pats are the only ones that get caught, everybody says how smart belicheck is well if he's so smart why is he the only one that gets caught cheating if they're all cheating?
steroids are a part of ALL sports, until you can prove to me that every team videotapes and deflates balls you have no argument
legends of the game are calling them cheaters
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the pats won 3 out of 4 super bowls... 10 -13 years ago
the yankees have like 27 titles in a span of the last 100 years or so
the yankees are hated because they out spend everybody else, the pats are hated because they have been caught cheating twice, which is about two times more than every other team
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maybe that's how viniatieri kicked those two field goals during that snow storm against oakland in the playoffs
they say kicking the ball in those conditions would be almost like kicking a rock, well not when the ball is deflated
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So, the yankees have more money than other team. Okay, so? Is that reason to hate a franchise? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Which MLB team has had more success than the yankees? :-\ :-\
Kevin Levrone made MILLIONS, do you hate him? ::) ::) :D :D ;D ;D
Exactly - no Steelers or Giants fan would trade anything with the Pats.
Everyone hates NE....this was proven with the insane amount of attention this got, the ESPN polls, and the fact that so many ex players weighed in.
It's not because anyone is jealous of their division titles in the last 10 years either. It's the arrogance of the coach, the fans, and the cheating.
All fans are arrogant. Philly fans are said to be the worse.
And lets be honest, fans would be just as arrogant if their team dominated. Its pretty much the nature of sports. People brag and act like dicks when their team wins. Then when they lose, they act all humble and meek. But when they are on top, its a whole different story.
Yankee fan here - money definitely plays into the Yankee hate. No doubt about it. When they get the player other teams covet, it makes them despised.
I get that, but I've lived in various parts of the country and there's been NOTHING close to boston sports fans in terms of arrogance and homerism. It's a disease.
To that I say, too bad.
What does everyone say about living in America? Just work a little harder, and you, too, can be rich.
Let the other teams work harder to increase their revenue so they can buy better players. Its just an excuse. These teams need to pick themselves up by their American bootrstraps and make it happen, instead of complaining!
Im sort of being facetious.
name the other teams caught cheating, i'm waiting
the pats have plenty of steroid users
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I agree.
If the Yankees have a financial advantage within the rules and fail to utilize it, they're bad businessmen. Baseball's comp structure is the issue, not the Yankees.
So, the yankees have more money than other team. Okay, so? Is that reason to hate a franchise? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Which MLB team has had more success than the yankees? :-\ :-\
Kevin Levrone made MILLIONS, do you hate him? ::) ::) :D :D ;D ;D
saints,colts i can go on
it gives them a huge competitive advantage when they have a payroll over 200 million and others have one that is less than 80 million
there's a reason the other sports have a salary cap to prevent teams from larger cities having that advantage
why is that hard to understand?
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Its not hard to understand. But let the other teams generate more revenue to buy better players. Its like complaining that the guy down the street makes more money because he chose to endure 4 years of residency to become a neurosurgeon.
Every team has every chance to generate more revenue to get better players. Not too sure why you would hate a person/organization because they make more money.
But okay!!
please explain how a team in pittsburgh or cleveland can generate the revenue of a team in new york or LA when they are more than 10 times bigger
and i know you're not a sports fan (aside from bodybuilding)
it's obvious
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Ill try to answer your question:
1) We know that you don't have to live in a particular state to be a sports fan. I think Cleveland owners need to reach out to cleveland fans across America!! This will generate more revenue!
2) Increase the price of hot dog and beer at the stadium.
3) Increase ticket sales.
4) Increase the price of merchandise.
We all know the obsession of sport fans, and they will definitely pay more.
I pretty much just solved the issue.
:D :D
every team does what you listed on an almost yearly basis
in other words, you solved nothing :P
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please explain how a team in pittsburgh or cleveland can generate the revenue of a team in new york or LA when they are more than 10 times bigger
and i know you're not a sports fan (aside from bodybuilding)
it's obvious
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Love how I see all these Pats fans these days. Same with Seahawks but where were they all pre-Brady days? never ever met a Pats fan 14 years but now they're all over the place.
reminds me of one time I walked into a sports bar when the Packers won the Superbowl.... Never saw so many Green Bay jerseys in New York in my life, but ask them who is the starting running back, and you are met with a blank stare
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When Brady leaves and Bellicheck leaves all Pats fans will be hiding in a corner looking for the next "it" team to root for.
I will literally have a rage-induced stroke if I stay in this thread any longer.
I am listening to Boston sports radio tear itself apart with this stupid ballgate thing. The SB is officially fucked now. No reason AT ALL to play the game. Complete idiocy.
There is no way to win for the Pats. They should just forfeit.
I am listening to Boston sports radio tear itself apart with this stupid ballgate thing. The SB is officially fucked now. No reason AT ALL to play the game. Complete idiocy.
There is no way to win for the Pats. They should just forfeit.
B+B did it to themselves with those PATHETIC news conferences
Stat of the day.
Pats had Zero fumbles at home this season.
I remember a game where they played at home in horrible snow. Thought it was going to be a low scoring game but the Pats just threw bomb after bomb and the recievers were grabbing them like velcro on their hands. I was in awe at how they were playing that way in the storm when the opposing team couldn't pass for shit. makes you wonder now.
B+B did it to themselves with those PATHETIC news conferences
I am listening to Boston sports radio tear itself apart with this stupid ballgate thing. The SB is officially fucked now. No reason AT ALL to play the game. Complete idiocy.
There is no way to win for the Pats. They should just forfeit.
The NFL is a socialist league. Every team on opening day starts with $100 million in profit from TV revenue. They don't give any of the players that money. They get a piece of ticket sales and merch. Guys like Jerry Jones brokered a side deal with Nike when the league at the time used Reebok.
Baseball is a little different. The Yankees have the money from the YES network they started. Mets followed and then Dodgers and Angels did. Same deal with NBA. NHL is one of the few that has very little revenue sharing so it's a deal where what you make is what you get.
The reason why some teams like Cleveland and Cinci in the NFL seem to be at a disadvantage is not because of the city being small. it is cheap ass owners not using the salary cap as they should. They are trying to pocket more money and care more about money than championships. Guys like Jones, Kraft etc... are already billionairs that make plenty of cash outside of the NFL and want to swing their little dicks with championships
Exactly - no Steelers or Giants fan would trade anything with the Pats.
Everyone hates NE....this was proven with the insane amount of attention this got, the ESPN polls, and the fact that so many ex players weighed in.
It's not because anyone is jealous of their division titles in the last 10 years either. It's the arrogance of the coach, the fans, and the cheating.
Please! This is all fans of any sports...
The NFL is a socialist league. Every team on opening day starts with $100 million in profit from TV revenue. They don't give any of the players that money. They get a piece of ticket sales and merch. Guys like Jerry Jones brokered a side deal with Nike when the league at the time used Reebok.
Baseball is a little different. The Yankees have the money from the YES network they started. Mets followed and then Dodgers and Angels did. Same deal with NBA. NHL is one of the few that has very little revenue sharing so it's a deal where what you make is what you get.
The reason why some teams like Cleveland and Cinci in the NFL seem to be at a disadvantage is not because of the city being small. it is cheap ass owners not usjavascript:void(0);ing the salary cap as they should. They are trying to pocket more money and care more about money than championships. Guys like Jones, Kraft etc... are already billionairs that make plenty of cash outside of the NFL and want to swing their little dicks with championships
As I've stated before, I've lived in multiple areas. Nothing compares to what goes on up here in this regard.
Not every coach has Belichek's rep. Fans of other sports teams don't rally to "take over" nearby stadiums. Fans of other sports don't go through 86 year droughts and then turn into arrogance personified........it's not even remotely close.
You think the whole nation's jumping on deflate gate because the Pats have had successful regular seasons the last 10 years?
Tbh I wouldn't know and I just say your response post so i gotcha!!
I live in dallas and it's nice. The Mavs are pretty cool , couldn't wait to get out of laker land ;D
As I've stated before, I've lived in multiple areas. Nothing compares to what goes on up here in this regard.They have gone to 3 superbowls and went to 4 straight AFC championship games (also went to the AFC title game in '06) in that 10 year span.
Not every coach has Belichek's rep. Fans of other sports teams don't rally to "take over" nearby stadiums. Fans of other sports don't go through 86 year droughts and then turn into arrogance personified........it's not even remotely close.
You think the whole nation's jumping on deflate gate because the Pats have had successful regular seasons the last 10 years?
They have gone to 3 superbowls and went to 4 straight AFC championship games (also went to the AFC title game in '06) in that 10 year span.
Don't make it act like they aren't a successful team. It goes far beyond "successful regular seasons". ::)
Actually won 3 SB's. This would be their 6th appearance , 20+ post season wins, very impressive and successfulGrape Ape was talking about the 10 years since the Pats won it the last time ('04)
Grape Ape was talking about the 10 years since the Pats won it the last time ('04)
Pay attention rookie.
Its actually their 8th appearance slapstick.
I was going by Tom Brady's SB's...Dynasty bitches.
U still have the most hated team u homo ::)
U guys will never have the respect of a Niners, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, Giants franchise ever!! :D
I was going by Tom Brady's SB's...
U still have the most hated team u homo ::)
U guys will never have the respect of a Niners, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, Giants franchise ever!! :D
Dynasty bitches.
DYNASTY.
Dynasty bitches.
DYNASTY.
lol gaints
The same Giants that played in 2 of the most exciting SB's ever against NE ;)
lol gainIll give it to the Giants, they have been to 3 superbowls in the last 15 years.
They have gone to 3 superbowls and went to 4 straight AFC championship games (also went to the AFC title game in '06) in that 10 year span.
Don't make it act like they aren't a successful team. It goes far beyond "successful regular seasons". ::)
And have 4 SB titles. All legit.
Ignore him, he's the digital equivalent of a fly at a picnic - brings nothing but annoyance to everyone here.
Regardless, that's not the kind of success that makes people build up such a hatred, which is what so many Pats fans are saying.Thats as successful as any team can get in the free agent era.
Thats as successful as any team can get in the free agent era.
Nah, they could've won 2 more super bowls.....:D
they're guilty as shit here. not because of the fall guy ball boy or whatever - but because they all laughed about the accusation, then played completely dumb, then suddenly became scientists about it. and finally, we'll have a smug brady and Belicheat telling the cameras how "vindicated" they are, finally freed of the false accusations against them. Because as we all know, a world-class QB like Brady would never notice a ball that is 2 PSI below...
pats are generation selfie, period. Sports are a reflection of society, from the estrogen-style clothing of NBA players to the blatant smirking cheating in the NFL these days... shermann blaming teammates for spiking his water with adderall, brady blaming ballboy for flat balls...
Ill give it to the Giants, they have been to 3 superbowls in the last 15 years.
Unfortunately, they have done absolutely nothing otherwise. I wonder how many times the Giants have even made it to the playoffs in the last 15 years.
Dont even start with the Cowboys. Basically a .500 team the last 20 years.
That's cause the patriots play in one of the easiest divisions ;DThe NFC East used to be a good division.
Even in the 90's the NFC east took turns beating the crap out of the bills in the SB :D
The NFC East used to be a good division.
They came up with the nickname NFC least for a reason.
Cowboys irrelevant for the better part of 20 years now.
Redskins have been a largely terrible team for a long time.
Giants are really hit and miss
Eagles have not done shit since Mcnabb left
Fyi.....all divisions beat up on each other
The Pats division: Jets, Dolphins, and Bills, give them some of the toughest games every season.
Pats went 12-4 this year. 2 losses were to The Dolphins and the Bills.
We all saw how close both of the Jets games were too.
James Winstn would make a perfect patriot. I bet he does a private tryout. Then purposely sucks at the combine to drop And the pats pick him up to replace Brady in a couple years.
Nobody can deny the Pats run the past decade and this one too.....
I honestly underestimated how much they're disliked though. Never seen anything like this.
I always assumed these type of feelings existed for the Cowboys and Eagles....but that pales now.
I think Pats fans underestimated how much they are disliked. This deflategate really opened the eyes to a lot of Pats fans.
I'm excited to hear about the behavior of this Person of Interest.
Ball boy hasn't been proven to have done anything. Just a "person of interest".
I think if he knew how many seconds it took to remove 2 PSI, from each ball, he could hit 11 of the footballs with a needle inside of 90 seconds.
Granted, he's has plenty of practice :) Probably a weekly thing - balls approved, casually walk to field, stop to pee, maybe pin 2 balls at a time, count to 4, and move to the next 2 bags. Maybe he missed one of the balls, rushing. But yeah, seems to make perfect sense. He didn't need the measuring device - he knew how many seconds it takes.
The thought of him doing it on his own, and that Brady never knew it? Laughable. I hope the ballboy gets a lawyer and does a press conference on Thursday afternoon where he details Brady and Belichick giving him the order to reduce ball pressure.
lol or maybe since it was a bathroom he went into he might have just been taking a piss,the haters are going to hate lol
Detective 240 has solved the case! Read his latest.
Detective 240 has solved the case! Read his latest.
imagine Gloria Allred and this kid doing a press conference right before the super bowl. that'd be entertaining.
BIG story on the horizon.
Pats lose in the 2006 super bowl, as we all know.
In the 2006 offseason, Brady leads the charge to get NFL to change rule so teams can manage their own game balls.
Starting in 2007, Pats have been a statistical anomaly, every single year completely off the charts, for FEWEST FUMBLES.
We're talking staggering number. Any player that comes here improves, the falls off when they leave. No change in any training or policy, just magically the balls didn't fumble anymore. Complete mirror opposite of Pats from 2001 to 2006.
So it's looking like "deflategate" will date back to the start of the 2007 season. For 8 years now, Pats have had an amazing advantage in fumbles, among other things.
If Spygate gave them the advantage for the 1st half of Brady's career, we now have some real mounting evidence that *something* was giving them an advantage for the second half.
"Evidence"
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Not sure that you know what that word means.
well, ya catch my drift... it's another factor showing when this ball deflation may have begun. Now, maybe we'll have the 2007 ballboy come out of the woodwork and discuss what orders he was given. No doubt, the media is looking for his words and the Pats are looking to shut him up.
It's hilarious at this point for anyone to believe the Pats aren't part of this deflation. And now we're seeing when it likely started.
Actually, I am still in the camp that's waiting to see, you know, actual evidence.
If the ball boy has been doing this for years for them he probably has it down to a couple seconds a ball. Pop a pin in, let out some air for a one count and release. Not that hard of a science
If the ball boy has been doing this for years for them he probably has it down to a couple seconds a ball. Pop a pin in, let out some air for a one count and release. Not that hard of a science
Enough of this bullshit with the deflated balls!
Here's a crazy idea.....how about the FACT that objects inflated with AIR deflate when the weather gets COLD. Like your car's tires, for instance. Footballs are no exception. They will lose 1-3 pounds of air when the temperature drops to a certain level and stays there for an extended period of time.
I'm no Patriots fan by any stretch and I hope the Seahawks stomp a mudhole in their ass. That being said, this whole deflating of balls is a bullshit witch hunt. There is no hard evidence in existence. It's fucking retarded.
Here's an even crazier idea...the Patriots are that fucking GOOD. They are a great organization with icons at both quarterback and head coach. And this is coming from a Ravens fan, mind you.
because the haters on here can't be objective like yourself
Here's a crazy idea.....how about the FACT that objects inflated with AIR deflate when the weather gets COLD. Like your car's tires, for instance. Footballs are no exception. They will lose 1-3 pounds of air when the temperature drops to a certain level and stays there for an extended period of time.
Enough of this bullshit with the deflated balls!
Here's a crazy idea.....how about the FACT that objects inflated with AIR deflate when the weather gets COLD. Like your car's tires, for instance. Footballs are no exception. They will lose 1-3 pounds of air when the temperature drops to a certain level and stays there for an extended period of time.
I'm no Patriots fan by any stretch and I hope the Seahawks stomp a mudhole in their ass. That being said, this whole deflating of balls is a bullshit witch hunt. There is no hard evidence in existence. It's fucking retarded.
Here's an even crazier notion...the Patriots are that fucking GOOD. They are a great organization with icons at both quarterback and head coach. And this is coming from a Ravens fan, mind you.
now tell us all why the colts balls weren't deflated
also it was like 50 degrees during that game, not exactly freezing weather
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so basically... they've been deflating balls for 7-8 years now. and they were allowed to get away with it, even tho the NFL exec hated belicheick and wanted to go at them. THEN the ravens and colts both complained and voila, the exec had the ground he needed to expose the pats. He let them cheat in the AFC championship game and then let them get caught at halftime.
Well, no.
That's your slanted interpretation of the scant small "facts" in this case, many of which are just fantasy from people with axes to grind.
But do keep going with your analysis.
There's little doubt something's amiss.
Either the Pats always had the footballs low, and the league was lax on checking them.....or they managed to lower them after they were checked.
That would explain the 11 of 12, and Indy being fine. There wasn't a huge temp swing to lower the PSI.
If the balls were under the norm and someone else did it, Brady would have noticed. Ex - NFL QBs have supported this.
So, something doesn't add up, but we won't find out until after the SB.
Until then, the accusations will fly, and Pats fans will continue to lose their shit because we all know they really did think they had a shot at a SB with no cloud around it. That's impossible now.
For the armchair physicists on Getbig, in order for temperature to account for this, the balls would have had to have been initially tested at a temperature of over 90°F.
Stating facts like this apparently make you a "hater".
Enough of this bullshit with the deflated balls!out of the 24 balls. The colts were fine but 11 of the 12 the pats used weren't. That's the issue homey
Here's a crazy idea.....how about the FACT that objects inflated with AIR deflate when the weather gets COLD. Like your car's tires, for instance. Footballs are no exception. They will lose 1-3 pounds of air when the temperature drops to a certain level and stays there for an extended period of time.
I'm no Patriots fan by any stretch and I hope the Seahawks stomp a mudhole in their ass. That being said, this whole deflating of balls is a bullshit witch hunt. There is no hard evidence in existence. It's fucking retarded.
Here's an even crazier notion...the Patriots are that fucking GOOD. They are a great organization with icons at both quarterback and head coach. And this is coming from a Ravens fan, mind you.
The Colt's footballs may have deflated at the same rate...
It was 50 degrees in Foxboro that night. Deflation wasn't because of temp.
not by trying to lay a trap for the Patriots, but by letting the Patriots know that the league office is paying attention to the situation, and that if there’s any funny business happening it needs to stop, now. Instead, the league office opted to try to catch the Patriots red handed.
I think it's great they laid a trap. Look how smug the Pats are - Kraft demanding apologies, Belichick shrugging and acting like he knows the science overnight, and Brady laughing at any such accusations. Fans would love to see the pats get demolished. And let's be honest - if they don't, the league will lose a TON of what little credibility they still have.
Yes, the alternative, as the articles suggests, is to let the Pats get away with it, and try to discourage it from happening again. Why not catch them?
Well, for one, the "sting" was obviously not well thought out and was laid against one of the two teams in the league's premier event. An event that now has a cloud over it due to mismanagement of this stupid "sting".
Also, the "sting" appears to be the brainchild of a guy that is on record as hating the Patriots, making the league look stupider still.
The NFL appears to be trying to kill itself, which would be funny, except that I like football.
who will the first 'whistleblower' be? Surely there are a handful of people that were part of the deflation process.
if it was me, and I was a former ballboy, now working at a car wash or whatever, I'd be paranoid as shit. If you were the dude told to water down the balls in 2007, 2008, etc... and you could cost a team millions in penalties, fines, draft picks, etc... I'd be going to CNN immediately (unless of course, they'd already bought me a new house, in which case I'd STFU and enjoy the pool lol)
Nah, they'll be taken care of..no doubt...and the NFL will destroy the evidence when they didn't have to - just like they did with spygate - to keep the real damage to a minimum.
that's conventional thinking. Roger whatshisname made almost 50 mil this year using conventional thinking.
BUT it woudln't surprise me if the other 31 owners sat down and said "Hey, let's throw the book at them for the sake of the other 31 of us". Pats are making the league look bad. They got caught with spygate and just found a better way to cheat. They aren't remorseful, they're brash and demanding apologies lol If we're irritated by that, imagine how the league owners feel... You beat us using cheated balls.
Ok so why did the Patriots score the more points in the second half of the AFC Championship game after the balls were changed out? This huge advantage does not look like an advantage and did the refs even record the pre game readings to compare to half time?
Ok so why did the Patriots score the more points in the second half of the AFC Championship game after the balls were changed out? This huge advantage does not look like an advantage and did the refs even record the pre game readings to compare to half time?
Pats had a nice lead at halftime. That meant they ran the ball most of the 2nd half, making the D crowd the line, so they were wide open for deep passes which they cashed in on. You can only play like that when nursing a lead. Advantage.
Colts were playing from a deficit, so they had to pass way more. Defense of Pats could lay back and wait for the easy picks. They were feasting on Luck because they knew Colts wouldn't run much. Major disadvatage for colts.
THAT explains the 2nd half.
A decent lead but interestingly, during the first half, when the Patriots were reportedly using the deflated footballs, quarterback Tom Brady completed 11 of 21 passes for 95 yards, one touchdown and one interception, as New England scored 17 points (not a blow out by any means). In the second half, Brady completed 12 of 14 passes for 131 yards, two touchdowns and zero interceptions, as New England scored 28 points.
Bottom line as Dwayne Allen of the Colts said "not a story. They could have played with soap for balls and beat us. Simply the better team. We have to continue to build"
No doubt the Pats cheated with the balls but don't beleive that it was why they won. They still were the better team and outplayed the colts.
No doubt? Really? Do you have a source?
It's called drawing a conclusion based on what is known at the moment.
If that's something you're not interested in, you don't have to discuss it.
I'm interested in what you know. Please tell me.
I know the Colts claimed a football they intercepted was under inflated.
I know that 11 of the 12 footballs Patriots were under inflated.
I know that the Colts' footballs were not.
I know the Patriots have been fined and lost draft picks in past for cheating.
I know ex NFL QBs have said it's impossible for a professional QB not to know if a football is 2 psi under what it is normally.
I know the NFL is taking this very seriously.
So, until facts appear that disprove any of the above statements, I'm going to think something's amiss here.
I think you may need to research the verb, know.
It was obvious where you're going with that, but I answered anyway.
See the thing is, without being directly involved, we have to go with the best information we have. And what I listed above is the best information we have, based on utilizing the major sources - ESPN/CBS sportsline, etc and ignoring all the stuff coming from local blogs, message boards and and such. In addition, we can apply common sense to debunk other theories.
So, if you want to use the lens you are using, there's nothing to discuss with you, which is probably best anyway.
I would say that you could use common sense to determine that this whole thing is a bunch of bologna, but that is through my "lense" as you put it.
Nothing that has been leaked, "credible" or otherwise as you put it, has indicted the Patriots for doing anything wrong. Yet you seem to "know" a great many things.
I almost spit my coffee when you source espn as a "major source" (your insinuation is that their news is credible and unbiased). That place has more patriot haters than this thread does.
This is the company that suspended Bill Simmons for calling Roger Goodell a liar, but brings every former nfl player with an ax to grind against new england to call Brady and Bellichick liars and cheaters with no proof of anything.
he doesn't work on facts he goes by leaks and heresay,instead of waiting for the report to come out he's already drawn his own conclusion
now tell us all why the colts balls weren't deflated
also it was like 50 degrees during that game, not exactly freezing weather
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If you read through the posts, you'll see that Grape Ape is fairly unbiased. 240 is back on the other hand is extremely biased.
If you read through the posts, you'll see that Grape Ape is fairly unbiased. 240 is back on the other hand is extremely biased.
I don't understand people taking leaked information and stating it as fact,lets wait and see when the report comes out
This is a discussion board...
I would say that you could use common sense to determine that this whole thing is a bunch of bologna, but that is through my "lense" as you put it.
Nothing that has been leaked, "credible" or otherwise as you put it, has indicted the Patriots for doing anything wrong. Yet you seem to "know" a great many things.
I almost spit my coffee when you source espn as a "major source" (your insinuation is that their news is credible and unbiased). That place has more patriot haters than this thread does.
This is the company that suspended Bill Simmons for calling Roger Goodell a liar, but brings every former nfl player with an ax to grind against new england to call Brady and Bellichick liars and cheaters with no proof of anything.
If you read through the posts, you'll see that Grape Ape is fairly unbiased. 240 is back on the other hand is extremely biased.
ESPN is a "major source" for sports news. Probably the most major, regardless of perceived bias. So my comment was that I'm taking what I've seen presented by ESPN, rather than a rumor started by a Patriots'/Colts/Seahawks blogger. They're not presenting everything that's out there, just things from the NFL and major media outlets. (FWIW, most I know view ESPN has pro Boston sports - they started ESPN Boston first, employ Simmons, the Boston Sports guy) and their choice of headlines has always been suspect).ESPN is not pro patriots. Not their people at least. Ray Lewis, Tom Jackson, Brunell....the list goes on and on. Yeah I know Bruschi works for them too but if you do the math their are a lot of very outspoken people that work for them that despise the patriots. TMZ sports and Jay Glazer are infinitely more credible, IMO.
I could easily take your view and not speculate because we're not in the investigation. Except I'm a football fan who happens to live 10 minutes from Gillette stadium, so I'm going to discuss it.
Either way, the footballs were under the limit - that's not up for debate. Dismissing that the team that provides and is responsible for inflating the footballs possibly having a hand in it is not common sense. Double that for a team already convicted of cheating.
No doubt the Pats cheated with the balls but don't beleive that it was why they won. They still were the better team and outplayed the colts.
The Colts are not a very good team...Denver's game plan and Manning being hurt made them look much better than they are...Pats probably could have laid 70 points on the Colts if they wanted to...I'd like to see Manning go play for the Texans for the next 2 years. And if he did, the Colts probably wouldn't make the playoffs. Texans would win that division...Would be great to see Manning go fuck with the owner of the Colts as he leads that defensive powerhouse, the Texans, to a division championship...Manning will be an interesting story. If his injuries are worse than reported he may just step away. Don't see how he'll want to stay in Denver with a whole new coaching staff and his top two receivers who are RFA and the team is maxed out from last off season spending.
ESPN is not pro patriots. Not their people at least. Ray Lewis, Tom Jackson, Brunell....the list goes on and on. Yeah I know Bruschi works for them too but if you do the math their are a lot of very outspoken people that work for them that despise the patriots. TMZ sports and Jay Glazer are infinitely more credible, IMO.
This whole thing could easily be summed up by the following explanation:
1. Brady likes his balls at the low end of the specification range. Colts like there's on the high side or mid.
2. All balls dropped by some margin (some reports say 2 lbs which is a lot, another says 1 lb which isn't much at all) during the cold weather. Patriots were out of spec after the drop, but the colts were still in (while still dropping).
This whole "cheating reputation" is also very problematic. EVERY NFL team has cheated at one point or another, yet we don't start every discussion involving an issue on those teams with, "Well given their history...."
Except it wasn't even cold weather that day they played ::)
Is that how u like your balls too stud?
I was at the game, so don't lecture me on game conditions.
Boyle's Law, Stud. As long as they filled and tested at 68-75 and the temp was below that on the field, the psi would've dropped below specification.
Fucking grown children the lot of you.
If everyone watching the super bowl suddenly vanished, I probably wouldn`t care. Somehow everyone at the game and watching TV were vaporized instantly. The world would be an amazing place after that. I know an entire group of people would be lost, but the crime rates would surely be non-existent.
So, if a temp drop of 18-25 degrees could lower the ball 2 psi from 12.5 to 10.5, what happens if the temperature is much colder - do the balls continue to lose pressure?
Sadly I'm starting to agree with u TA haha
I'm not. It's one thread and there's actually real back and forth, despite some posters attempts to disrupt it. Nobody is making anyone post in it or read it.
And many of us "children" hold down good jobs, raise families, volunteer for charity, care for animals, cook cool food and do plenty of other stuff. So anyone criticizing us for enjoying some football discussion can take a flying fuckolla. ;D
Fucking grown children the lot of you.
If everyone watching the super bowl suddenly vanished, I probably wouldn`t care. Somehow everyone at the game and watching TV were vaporized instantly. The world would be an amazing place after that. I know an entire group of people would be lost, but the crime rates would surely be non-existent.
True but u are behind young man. Many here are millionaires and billionaires deciding on what sports team to buy ;)
So, if a temp drop of 18-25 degrees could lower the ball 2 psi from 12.5 to 10.5, what happens if the temperature is much colder - do the balls continue to lose pressure?
There you go again "knowing" a bunch of things you don't actually know but someone reported some shit and you believe it. Other people have reported different information. I will wait for the official report.
A ~1psi drop is very possible from a drop from 75 to 50 Degrees F.
The other point is a football leather expands when wet. The increase in volume also causes the pressure to go down. There are some experiments on the internet that you can watch.
So I assume the Colts used a magic football tonic that allowed their balls to remain at the right PSI?
There you go again "knowing" a bunch of things you don't actually know but someone reported some shit and you believe it. Other people have reported different information. I will wait for the official report.
A ~1psi drop is very possible from a drop from 75 to 50 Degrees F.
The other point is a football leather expands when wet. The increase in volume also causes the pressure to go down. There are some experiments on the internet that you can watch.
Who was "knowing" - I asked you a question based off what you typed. I don't know Boyle's law other than the general gist of it. So again, if a 1psi drop is possible for a 25 dgree drop, is 3+ possible for a 75 degree drop?
And, I've already explained the dynamic and context around this angle. If the crux of your argument is always going to be the "knowing" angle, we don't need to discuss anything further.
Pressure will continue to drop if the temperature drops, yes.
Ok.
That means if the temp in foxboro dropped to the teens or below, the football could end up in the 8s or lower? To me this would be extremely noticeable, since we have seen 10.5 is considered deflated. The Patriots and other cold weather teams would have to have some sort of process in place to combat this. Which also means they would have intimate knowledge in the effects of temp vs psi, and could have easily countered with that. But they didn't. They claimed they were largely ignorant of this issue.
So, the math isn't adding up to me.
That is an interesting slant. Never considered this to be honest. But your logic applies to balls that are inflated to the maximum 13.5 psi as well. There is a temperature at which those balls will drop out of spec too. The leather does get harder as the temperature drops so this may affect the way the ball feels (it could feel hard while having a lower psi in it).
My opinion is that the air pressure in the ball is simply not a big deal in terms of feel in the ranges we are talking about. The ball feels pretty much the same if the psi is within a 1 or 2 of eachother (which is why the referees didn't really notice it at first). I think the preference (Brady vs. Rodgers) is psychological if anything.
What is "known" or assumed to be fact is the foundation for all discussion. I find it paradoxical that you think there is no need for discussion if you can't agree on the facts up front, when that is really the only way one can engage in a meaningful discussion.
I personally, think we can assume that the balls were out of spec low on the field at halftime. I don't think we can assume by how much. You seem to think so. That is why we have drawn different conclusions.
how many times does your team have to be caught cheating before you finally think of them as cheaters?
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We’ll start with the obvious, which is that #Ballghazi is an idiotic (but thoroughly enjoyable) scandal that is of microscopic import to the NFL and of even smaller import to the world at large, and it is already dying a proper death. We are very good at manufacturing scandals out of nothing here in America. You only need a few key ingredients:
A gap in the news cycle.
- A worthy target; someone people already dislike. (Like Don Imus! Remember the Imus thing? That happened because Fuck Don Imus.)
- The lingering presumption that the target has done SOMETHING wrong at some point in life, so you may as well nail them for this.
- A story with a great deal of unknowable information in it… holes that I can fill using MY IMAGINATION.
- Sex and/or racism and/or and/or violence and/or balls.
Given how little we have to work with in this instance (air pressure, a ball boy going into a bathroom, a potential rules violation that had virtually no effect on the final outcome), this may be our crowning achievement in collective truthering. We got more than a week out of this lemon. It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for the Patriots. Maybe you would even like to root for them on Sunday, as a matter of principle, or because Bill Belichick was so cute talking about stuffed monkeys.
So I’m here to re-emphasize the obvious: do not root for the Patriots. Fuck the Patriots. Fuck them to hell.
how many times does your team have to be caught cheating before you finally think of them as cheaters?
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Deadspin is hilarious.
By the way, I didn't post it (maybe i did, who knows?), but a NY Daily News guy did the "bathroom" test to see if 11 balls could be deflated 2 psi in 90 sec. He discovered the each football take 2.2 seconds and did them all in around 40.......Must be nice to get paid to do that.
Deadspin is hilarious.
By the way, I didn't post it (maybe i did, who knows?), but a NY Daily News guy did the "bathroom" test to see if 11 balls could be deflated 2 psi in 90 sec. He discovered the each football take 2.2 seconds and did them all in around 40.......Must be nice to get paid to do that.
Once?
Boohoo Mr. Steeler's fan! I'm sure if Brady was your QB and Belicheck was your coach you would be screaming for them to be traded and fired right? I'll just have to suck it up as my cheater team rolls over your team of upstanding role model's every year. Sad how invested some people are in sports
Sadly I'm starting to agree with u TA haha
it's pretty obvious too that there was some shady stuff going on with legarrette blunt going back to the pats
Your list of grievances is lengthening. Festivus was over a month ago.
Boohoo Mr. Steeler's fan! I'm sure if Brady was your QB and Belicheck was your coach you would be screaming for them to be traded and fired right? I'll just have to suck it up as my cheater team rolls over your team of upstanding role model's every year. Sad how invested some people are in sports
how many division titles have the giants won in the last 15 years
And he's playing in his sixth SB.
Yes, I remember a couple vividly.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.294901!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/amd-strahan-jpg.jpg)
And those were great games.
No dig on me because I love the game win or lose.
Not seeing how that's relevant even a little bit.
I know they are 2-0 against your faggy little friends there :D
" hi I'm Tom BRADY"
" no no, I'm not gay... I just have every gay mannerism you can possibly think of."
Yeah, I've said before I never gave any of my friends any grief at all after those two SB. Games were just insane. 2007 Pats were stupid good. Giants had to take a ridiculous road to get there.
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