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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on August 10, 2006, 12:10:45 PM
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His avatar is a picture of a grandfather flexing...............
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someone else said he was Mr Canada 1948?
who is this mystery man?
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Where you been, bro? I think under his avatar it says Mr. Canada 1970. Get with the program.
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Where you been, bro? I think under his avatar it says Mr. Canada 1970. Get with the program.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ............1970 or 1870?!?!?!?
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Im just kidding!
Vince looks great for his age
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Mike,
Ever since your contest you have lost it....Stupid thread after stupid thread. When are you going to start saying anything worthwhile. It has been awhile.
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LOL. You coming out of the corner swinging today, eh? ;D
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Mike,
Ever since your contest you have lost it....Stupid thread after stupid thread. When are you going to start saying anything worthwhile. It has been awhile.
Chicerillo Syndrome
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Different vince basile.
vince was born in canada, went to university on full scholarship, won the ifbb mr canada in 1970, moved to australia around the same time and opened a gym here.
the gym has been going since 1971 and at it's peak was the size of a large supermarket. the current location is still very large.
vince is an eccentric kind of guy but knows gym equipment back to front and made just about every piece for his gym himself using things like linear bearing on every weight stack instead of plastic bushings.
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Different vince basile.
vince was born in canada, went to university on full scholarship, won the ifbb mr canada in 1970, moved to australia around the same time and opened a gym here.
the gym has been going since 1971 and at it's peak was the size of a large supermarket. the current location is still very large.
vince is an eccentric kind of guy but knows gym equipment back to front and made just about every piece for his gym himself using things like linear bearing on every weight stack instead of plastic bushings.
Sounds like another Vince................... ......Vince Gironda
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Sounds like another Vince................... ......Vince Gironda
no he was the self righteous, alcoholic vince...
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Mike,
Ever since your contest you have lost it....Stupid thread after stupid thread. When are you going to start saying anything worthwhile. It has been awhile.
are you trying to say that after mike placed 4th out of 4, and after all the "way to go mike, look great for a natural" the "success" has gotten to his head, much like the skinny hot chick who used to be fat and starts acting like a bitch just because she thinks she has a right to, even though the shit he/she says is total bullshit?
monster run-on sentence.
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Mike, uh, I think he was built a little better than you. ::)
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Mike,
Ever since your contest you have lost it....Stupid thread after stupid thread. When are you going to start saying anything worthwhile. It has been awhile.
have to agree with this. stop making threads nobody is laughing
some people are funny some are not, just give it up
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and of course its disrespectful to take shots at vince, if you met him in person sat around and he shared memories of bodybuilding in the 70's would you treat him like that then? no you wouldnt, so why would you behave any different on the internet? you and sarcasm can kiss eachothers ass
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Most people Google themselves to see what is online in those search engines. We search for information about other people. Sometimes there are other people with the same name. All through my years in the Iron game there haven't been too many Vinces except Gironda. I met him in 1968. I had just picked up some photos from the drug store that had some images of Arnold. I mentioned this to Vince in his gym when I visited there for a work out. Must have been about 6 pm in October that year. Vince Gironda suggested I fetch the photos so that they could see them. I was proud of my photography so brought them in for him. He glanced through the pile of photos and then said out loud: "Here's a guy who carries photos of guys around in his wallet!" He must have been pleased with his wit because he repeated that again but the second time much louder so that everyone in the gym could hear. In that instant I knew he was an asshole. I looked around his gym and all the photos had him in them or were dedicated to him from famous people who trained there. In 1980 I returned to his gym but he wasn't there. I did call him on the phone and asked if it was okay to use the gym name for my gym in Australia, Vince's Gym. He was flattered that another gym used that name so gave me his blessings. I asked what he was doing and he said he was writing articles for some magazines. We subsequently changed the name to Vince and Roz's Fitness World in an attempt to let people know we cater to women and things other than hardcore training.
While I was in California several times since 1967 I must have been inspired to have a better gym than either Joe Gold or Vince Gironda had. I think I can safely state that my gym is one of the best in Australia and perhaps one of the best equipped in the world. By best equipped I mean having the best equipment not having the heaviest dumbbells.
If someone here wants to take a shot at me and they are witty then so be it. I could probably give better than I get but I have a rule that I don't attack other people online. I am sure other people will not think this is so because I can be ruthless when it comes to statements and theories. I believe everyone is entitled to find the truth and sometimes you have to kill false theories to have better ones. I have studied the philosophy of science and I must say bodybuilding is a pastime that has more false theories than religion. You would think that in a scientific age people would stop believing nonsense but there has been a proliferation of false theories about training and nutrition instead of a convergence towards a true theory of hypertrophy. My gym in full of guys who believe nonsense and because of it cannot make the gains they should. Do they believe what I tell them? Nope, they plod on as if they were on a treadmill and stay on plateaus indefinitely until they hang up their posing trunks. Well, it is the rare person who actually competes. The vast majority just train to get bigger and stronger but most never reach their potential.
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Vince is a really good guy, stop making jokes at his expense "arvilla"
Look you are saying this forum is getting too juvenile well, look who is making stupid jokes... of course people get older... get over it.
Amongst his other achievements Vince runs a great gym in Sydney, Australia with a lot of equipment which is very unique and highly effective a testament to his intelligence and credibility.
The gym is fairly old-school therefore conducive to harder training particularly with a dedicated section to free weights whereby the use of chalk is permitted a rarity in today's gyms.
Wow, "arvilla" I didn't think you would stoop so low. Respect the man he won a national title when there was ONLY the one title in Canada back then unlike today's array of federations whereby national titles are conducted. OK, "arvilla" maybe you competed wow...
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Vince's old gym was huge.
I think I counted about 7 or 8 smith machines in there once but I think the ladies area had a few more as well!
I think it had about 6-7 leg extensions too...
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My first gym in West Ryde had 3000 square feet. The last one in West Ryde had 30,000 sq ft. That was a huge gym. I had to close a gym in Blacktown so brought all the equipment to West Ryde. We moved to Meadowbank in 2002 and our gym is smaller but perhaps better than the huge one. We now have separate areas for cardio machines, main gym, free weights and aerobics. Plus an upstairs for offices and childminding. There is also a huge car park out back for 80 spaces.
We do have plenty of duplicate machines for some exercises. I counted 11 lat pulldown machines. I have one lat pulldown machine in my factory that has a weight stack of 455 pounds on it. We have many varieties of machines for body parts. One standing calf machine has a weight stack of 1,000 pounds. That is the most I have seen on a commercially made piece of gym equipment. Yes, I made most of our equipment but we have a range of Nautilus gear and a Technogym seated leg press that has an electric motor to move the sled back and forth. I try to install only the best equipment. If bodybuilders don't use equipment then I consider that unused equipment not very good. That is a severe test of some of the equipment I have made and quite sobering. I will have to take some recent photos of our gym to show people here. We keep shifting machines around to make the club more effective.
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Fuck off all you whiners
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f**k off all you whiners
looks like the competing bber's ego has arrived...
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My first gym in West Ryde had 3000 square feet. The last one in West Ryde had 30,000 sq ft. That was a huge gym. I had to close a gym in Blacktown so brought all the equipment to West Ryde. We moved to Meadowbank in 2002 and our gym is smaller but perhaps better than the huge one. We now have separate areas for cardio machines, main gym, free weights and aerobics. Plus an upstairs for offices and childminding. There is also a huge car park out back for 80 spaces.
We do have plenty of duplicate machines for some exercises. I counted 11 lat pulldown machines. I have one lat pulldown machine in my factory that has a weight stack of 455 pounds on it. We have many varieties of machines for body parts. One standing calf machine has a weight stack of 1,000 pounds. That is the most I have seen on a commercially made piece of gym equipment. Yes, I made most of our equipment but we have a range of Nautilus gear and a Technogym seated leg press that has an electric motor to move the sled back and forth. I try to install only the best equipment. If bodybuilders don't use equipment then I consider that unused equipment not very good. That is a severe test of some of the equipment I have made and quite sobering. I will have to take some recent photos of our gym to show people here. We keep shifting machines around to make the club more effective.
Out of interest, I worked out at Vince & Roz's gym last week..It was of top notch quality. I was impressed. If I lived closer I would definately purchase a membership.
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Out of interest, I worked out at Vince & Roz's gym last week..It was of top notch quality. I was impressed. If I lived closer I would definately purchase a membership.
You try out one of his hyperextension benches? I love those things...
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f**k off all you whiners
:)
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Here is a shot taken in November 2004 in my gym.
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Mike,
Ever since your contest you have lost it....Stupid thread after stupid thread. When are you going to start saying anything worthwhile. It has been awhile.
Wow, this board needs some real news... These threads are certainly getting a bit lame.
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hey vince i am from sydney can u pm me your gyms address so i can check it out
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Most people Google themselves to see what is online in those search engines. We search for information about other people. Sometimes there are other people with the same name. All through my years in the Iron game there haven't been too many Vinces except Gironda. I met him in 1968. I had just picked up some photos from the drug store that had some images of Arnold. I mentioned this to Vince in his gym when I visited there for a work out. Must have been about 6 pm in October that year. Vince Gironda suggested I fetch the photos so that they could see them. I was proud of my photography so brought them in for him. He glanced through the pile of photos and then said out loud: "Here's a guy who carries photos of guys around in his wallet!" He must have been pleased with his wit because he repeated that again but the second time much louder so that everyone in the gym could hear. In that instant I knew he was an . I looked around his gym and all the photos had him in them or were dedicated to him from famous people who trained there. In 1980 I returned to his gym but he wasn't there. I did call him on the phone and asked if it was okay to use the gym name for my gym in Australia, Vince's Gym. He was flattered that another gym used that name so gave me his blessings. I asked what he was doing and he said he was writing articles for some magazines. We subsequently changed the name to Vince and Roz's Fitness World in an attempt to let people know we cater to women and things other than training.
While I was in California several times since 1967 I must have been inspired to have a better gym than either Joe Gold or Vince Gironda had. I think I can safely state that my gym is one of the best in Australia and perhaps one of the best equipped in the world. By best equipped I mean having the best equipment not having the heaviest dumbbells.
If someone here wants to take a shot at me and they are witty then so be it. I could probably give better than I get but I have a rule that I don't attack other people online. I am sure other people will not think this is so because I can be ruthless when it comes to statements and theories. I believe everyone is entitled to find the truth and sometimes you have to kill false theories to have better ones. I have studied the philosophy of science and I must say bodybuilding is a pastime that has more false theories than religion. You would think that in a scientific age people would stop believing nonsense but there has been a proliferation of false theories about training and nutrition instead of a convergence towards a true theory of hypertrophy. My gym in full of guys who believe nonsense and because of it cannot make the gains they should. Do they believe what I tell them? Nope, they plod on as if they were on a treadmill and stay on plateaus indefinitely until they hang up their posing trunks. Well, it is the rare person who actually competes. The vast majority just train to get bigger and stronger but most never reach their potential.
Vince, since your replies are so long winded and discuss what happend 20+ years ago...I think you should consider hanging out more in the Getbig Forums > Getbig Main Discussion Boards > History - Stories - and Memories.
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Mike, I don't get it. You WORK is a gym. Vince OWNS one of the best gyms in the world. He makes some of the best gym equipment in the world. He was Mr. Canada. I don't see how you measure up well enough to break his balls.
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Mike, I don't get it. You WORK is a gym. Vince OWNS one of the best gyms in the world. He makes some of the best gym equipment in the world. He was Mr. Canada. I don't see how you measure up well enough to break his balls.
I don't want to hear some old fart telling campfire stories about the 1970's!
he won the MR CANADA 40 fucking years ago...........move on!
if I'm in my 70's flexing in my avatar on GET-BIG..................shoot me!
i hope at his age ill have moved on and won't be posting gym shots of me posing/flexing
He is a has-been
To put it in perspective....if Mike Matarazzo came on here and in his avatar was a pic of him flexing
with the caption"MR USA 1991" don't you think that would be sad?
what people have accomplished in the past is great.......let people ask about it tho
"didn't Mike Arvilla win the Mr Upchuck 2007"?
life is too short.............i don't want to hear long winded diatribe from someone who "ain't got no more"
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if I'm in my 70's flexing in my avatar on GET-BIG..................shoot me!
Uhhhh, Mike..... it your case, that's not too far away. Are you forgetting you're a couple of decades older than the 20-somethings who post here?
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Uhhhh, Mike..... it your case, that's not too far away. Are you forgetting you're a couple of decades older than the 20-somethings who post here?
My time is comming to an end.............(i got a few shows left in me)
when it's time.................... ill bow out with fucking dignity!
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Hey, Mike, come to my gym and see who has the best grip! You can have my gym if you can break the record on the pinch machine first time you try it. How about that?
I wonder why Zane and the other smart guys don't post online? Well, anyone who posts on Getbig either is nuts or has a thick skin or both! I post because I am interested in bodybuilding and gym equipment. If I can get along with guys like Milos and Lee then that is good enough for me. I don't complain about what others post or use for avatars and neither should anyone else unless it is particularly offensive. I have paid my dues and I can honestly say that no one comes to my gym and puts me down. I think my brain is more formidable than my body nowadays. Online is another reality altogether and Mike is right, I spend too much time online. I guess that goes for most of the heroes on this site.
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There is not much dignity left in bodybuilding. Back in the good old days there was still some integrity doing the sport. Today................... ......
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There is not much dignity left in bodybuilding. Back in the good old days there was still some integrity doing the sport. Today................... ......
your showing some right now old timer................... ..............
god bless
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You know, Mike, no one thinks of themselves as being old. I look okay for my age and I look around me and see a lot of people ageing quicker than me. I think trying to grow muscles all the time helps stay young. Too bad more people don't do bodybuilding. I don't compete because most older guys don't look too good on stage. I don't like hearing people say I look okay for my age in the lineup. I know better. When you stop competing it really makes training hard because half the motivation has gone. If I have the time I want to do an experiment and see if I can get my arms bigger than ever even at my age. That would be a significant result and drug free. No supplements, either. I think it is possible and I think I know enough to get bigger very quickly. I just need a few idle months to do the experiment.
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Vince, do you have any pictures of when you competed?
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Here you go. I haven't put many images up on my Smugmug site yet.
http://ovincez.smugmug.com/gallery/1337225
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From the back.
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wow mike, i hope that is just the diet or the back or something like that coming out
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Were you natural then? Also how many meals a day and how much protein do you advise eating.
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How come you don't have this pic with Paul Dillette posted there as well?
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IMO, and I very rarely say this...
Vince Basile is a blessing to getBig. Most guys wouldn't tolerate the BS that getbig throws - the insults, the rants, ownings, etc. So score one for the guy for having thick skin and going at chic on relevant issues.
Second, Basile talks a lot about solutions to this current chemical warfare mess that pro BBing has become. How many current pros you think will live to see 70? The sport is unhealthy, and that should probably be the biggest thing that we focus upon.
Third, his history and knowledge of the sport is something we can all learn from. The guy is old, sure. But I think any of us will be very happy to still be ALIVE, much less look at good at age 70.
I say the guy deserves some props. I hope he sticks around.
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he won the MR CANADA 40 fucking years ago...........move on!
if I'm in my 70's flexing in my avatar on GET-BIG..................shoot me!
i hope at his age ill have moved on and won't be posting gym shots of me posing/flexing
He is a has-been
Showing yourself flexing in your avatar is junior-league, especially when older. In addition, those 1960s pics only confirm that Mr. Canada didn't mean much back then IMO.
Mike, I don't get it. You WORK is a gym. Vince OWNS one of the best gyms in the world. He makes some of the best gym equipment in the world. He was Mr. Canada. I don't see how you measure up well enough to break his balls.
Yet another case in which he doesn't get it. Another nutty idea, this one that someone has to "measure up" whatever that means, to make reasonable observations. Absurd.
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IMO, and I very rarely say this...
Vince Basile is a blessing to getBig. Most guys wouldn't tolerate the BS that getbig throws - the insults, the rants, ownings, etc. So score one for the guy for having thick skin and going at chic on relevant issues.
Second, Basile talks a lot about solutions to this current chemical warfare mess that pro BBing has become. How many current pros you think will live to see 70? The sport is unhealthy, and that should probably be the biggest thing that we focus upon.
Third, his history and knowledge of the sport is something we can all learn from. The guy is old, sure. But I think any of us will be very happy to still be ALIVE, much less look at good at age 70.
I say the guy deserves some props. I hope he sticks around.
I thought he was 63.
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I thought he was 63.
cmon Cheri....you and mike need to get a GRIP....as in "grip machine"....hahaha....now that was some funny sh*t!
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cmon Cheri....you and mike need to get a GRIP....as in "grip machine"....hahaha....now that was some funny sh*t!
ahahahaha im getting tired of this vince guy myself
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IMO, and I very rarely say this...
Vince Basile is a blessing to getBig. Most guys wouldn't tolerate the BS that getbig throws - the insults, the rants, ownings, etc. So score one for the guy for having thick skin and going at chic on relevant issues.
Second, Basile talks a lot about solutions to this current chemical warfare mess that pro BBing has become. How many current pros you think will live to see 70? The sport is unhealthy, and that should probably be the biggest thing that we focus upon.
Third, his history and knowledge of the sport is something we can all learn from. The guy is old, sure. But I think any of us will be very happy to still be ALIVE, much less look at good at age 70.
I say the guy deserves some props. I hope he sticks around.
I wholeheartedly second this. I have no idea what set Mike off;seems very unlike him. Maybe he's having a bad week.
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cmon Cheri....you and mike need to get a GRIP....as in "grip machine"....hahaha....now that was some funny sh*t!
What the hell did I do?? >:(
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What the hell did I do?? >:(
Mike is 40 some years old and is a part time personal trainer.
Vince Basile is a Successful Business owner with Real Bodybuilding Titles under his belt.
Draw your own conclusions.
I don`t mind either of them but I think Basile owns Arvilla for sure.
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Mike is 40 some years old and is a part time personal trainer.
Vince Basile is a Successful Business owner with Real Bodybuilding Titles under his belt.
Draw your own conclusions.
I don`t mind either of them but I think Basile owns Arvilla for sure.
I was wondering when you were going to "chime" in Adam. :)
Did you miss me that much? :-*
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Mike is 40 some years old and is a part time personal trainer.
Vince Basile is a Successful Business owner with Real Bodybuilding Titles under his belt.
Draw your own conclusions.
I don`t mind either of them but I think Basile owns Arvilla for sure.
Mr. Adonis how was your first tranny experience? Did it feel wonderful hugging on a shemale? How does it feel that you juice but still looks like shit? Why do you log on under Jazeslut?
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You know, Mike, no one thinks of themselves as being old. I look okay for my age and I look around me and see a lot of people ageing quicker than me. I think trying to grow muscles all the time helps stay young. Too bad more people don't do bodybuilding. I don't compete because most older guys don't look too good on stage. I don't like hearing people say I look okay for my age in the lineup. I know better. When you stop competing it really makes training hard because half the motivation has gone. If I have the time I want to do an experiment and see if I can get my arms bigger than ever even at my age. That would be a significant result and drug free. No supplements, either. I think it is possible and I think I know enough to get bigger very quickly. I just need a few idle months to do the experiment.
yea...............growin g old just plain sucks!
i never wanna "look good for my age".......i just wan't to look good period
i think you should give it one last shot tho
see if you can get in your all time best shape,then do a Masters show..that will motivate and inspire you and others
(myself included)
as Apollo told Rocky "it sucks that we got to get old man" Rocky said"just keep punching man...just keep punching"
just keep punching Vince................... ....................
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Mike is 40 some years old and is a part time personal trainer.
Vince Basile is a Successful Business owner with Real Bodybuilding Titles under his belt.
Draw your own conclusions.
I don`t mind either of them but I think Basile owns Arvilla for sure.
You have to earn my respect before you run your mouth
your nothing to me (that's why i rarely respond or pay attention to you)
go do a show,compete.......learn what it is like to be a man
then come back here...........and you will have my respect
until then you are nothing................. ........................ ...................
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You have to earn my respect before you run your mouth
your nothing to me (that's why i rarely respond or pay attention to you)
go do a show,compete.......learn what it is like to be a man
then come back here...........and you will have my respect
until then you are nothing................. ........................ ...................
Is that why you think you can talk down to Vince,because you competed in a show? Just curious. I respect you regardless of what you think.
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vince basiel might be an old man, but he doesnt have to morph his little pic like you did mike. he owns ya.
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He is a has-been
Better than being a never was.
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Is that why you think you can talk down to Vince,because you competed in a show? Just curious. I respect you regardless of what you think.
Come on Adonis...Coming in Last in a 5th tier bodybuidlign show must count for something ::)
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vince basiel might be an old man, but he doesnt have to morph his little pic like you did mike. he owns ya.
here is the "unmorphed version"
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;)
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here is the "unmorphed version"
and even with a boatload of drugs, vince still looks better then you. and he's a way bigger success. he owns a gym. what do you do? and you get off bashing him? haha sad.
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go do a show,compete.......learn what it is like to be a man
then come back here...........and you will have my respect
until then you are nothing................. ........................ ...................
what's the correlation between competing in a show (especially one in which the competitors are juiced to the gills) and being a man? ???
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;)
Dude, you look like shit, I wouldn't be proud of those pics. No wonder you finished last
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There is not much dignity left in bodybuilding. Back in the good old days there was still some integrity doing the sport. Today................... ......
Vince, lots of us enjoy your posts so keep them coming!
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what's the correlation between competing in a show (especially one in which the competitors are juiced to the gills) and being a man? ???
a lot actually................ ....it turned me into a man
i grew up a lot
gained a ton of respect for bodybuilders!
it changed me totally
it was the toughest thing i have ever gone thru (and i have been thru a lot,alcohol/drug addiction,deaths of many loved ones)
i grew up fast during my contest prep.....went from a boy to a man
it will change you and change your life
try it.................
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IMO, and I very rarely say this...
Vince Basile is a blessing to getBig. Most guys wouldn't tolerate the BS that getbig throws - the insults, the rants, ownings, etc. So score one for the guy for having thick skin and going at chic on relevant issues.
Wise words 240.
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Dude, you look like shit, I wouldn't be proud of those pics. No wonder you finished last
third baby............in a stacked class of open heavyweights!!!( about 14 competing ,5 made the cut
i got third in my first show ever!)
nothing you can say can ever take that away from me!!
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Mr. Adonis how was your first tranny experience? Did it feel wonderful hugging on a shemale? How does it feel that you juice but still looks like shit? Why do you log on under Jazeslut?
adonis will u answer these questions please.
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Showing yourself flexing in your avatar is junior-league, especially when older. In addition, those 1960s pics only confirm that Mr. Canada didn't mean much back then IMO.
You are the undisputed clown of getbig. Who the hell are you to judge Vince and his choice in avatars? You with that goofball Reagan avatar and a name like "Pumpster" Give me a break. And to try and take away from Vince being Mr. Canada - when you win ANY TITLE at all get back to us you loser. ::)
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Dude, you look like shit, I wouldn't be proud of those pics. No wonder you finished last
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Dude, you look like shit, I wouldn't be proud of those pics. No wonder you finished last
if i do look like shit
at leasts i can come home to this.................... ..... ;)
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Yet another case in which he doesn't get it. Another nutty idea, this one that someone has to "measure up" whatever that means, to make reasonable observations. Absurd.
Ok Running Man, whatever you say. I noticed you disapeared from a few other threads where you were getting pummeled. How convenient. ::)
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a lot actually................ ....it turned me into a man
i grew up a lot
gained a ton of respect for bodybuilders!
it changed me totally
it was the toughest thing i have ever gone thru (and i have been thru a lot,alcohol/drug addiction,deaths of many loved ones)
i grew up fast during my contest prep.....went from a boy to a man
it will change you and change your life
try it.................
Yah right.
It damn sure isn`t hard at all.
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You are the undisputed clown of getbig. Who the hell are you to judge Vince and his choice in avatars? You with that goofball Reagan avatar and a name like "Pumpster" Give me a break. And to try and take away from Vince being Mr. Canada - when you win ANY TITLE at all get back to us you loser.
Consider the source-the king of anger-management issues & rednecks on getbig. Someone who continually makes it obvious he hates Canadians yet is married to one; a moron.
Since you endorse it, go and make your very own avatar of you flexing your 13" arms you judgemental, self-righteous jackass.hahahahaahahahah ahah
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You have to earn my respect before you run your mouth
your nothing to me (that's why i rarely respond or pay attention to you)
go do a show,compete.......learn what it is like to be a man
then come back here...........and you will have my respect
until then you are nothing................. ........................ ...................
so competing in a bb show is the measure of a man? wow, i did not know that one ::)
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Yah right.
It damn sure isn`t hard at all.
Adam, not for nothing but make that decision "after" you have competed. How could you know what is or isn't hard about if you have never done it?
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so competing in a bb show is the measure of a man? wow, i did not know that one ::)
hahahhaa, I hope that is not what Arvilla considers the pinnacle of his life.
He is losing it lately.
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Adam, not for nothing but make that decision "after" you have competed. How could you know what is or isn't hard about if you have never done it?
What is the hard part of it?
The work part,dieting and training is TOO EASY. Posing takes practice I am sure, but is not exactly hard.
Tanning? How hard is it to go outside or go lay in a bed? Tell me when does it get hard?
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so competing in a bb show is the measure of a man? wow, i did not know that one ::)
And wood...he didn't say competing was a "measure" of a man. What he is saying is that he was once like "Adonis" flapping his gums like he knew what he was talking about (regarding competing) and it wasn't until he prepped for the show and stood on stage that he gained the respect he should have for the bodybuilding sport (don't get technical with the sport/industry shit, you know what I mean). I'm surprised that you (one who has competed before) couldn't read into that. :-\
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Vince has done enough in his life to justify what he posts and for us to at least try and understand his point of view.
I don't quite understand the hate Mike is showing. What's the point?
The guy is old, so what, he's also got a ton of knowledge.
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What is the hard part of it?
The work part,dieting and training is TOO EASY. Posing takes practice I am sure, but is not exactly hard.
Tanning? How hard is it to go outside or go lay in a bed? Tell me when does it get hard?
Didn't Mike have to drop like 85 lbs (of mostly fat)? . . . that might've been the hard part.
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And wood...he didn't say competing was a "measure" of a man. What he is saying is that he was once like "Adonis" flapping his gums like he knew what he was talking about (regarding competing) and it wasn't until he prepped for the show and stood on stage that he gained the respect he should have for the bodybuilding sport (don't get technical with the sport/industry shit, you know what I mean). I'm surprised that you (one who has competed before) couldn't read into that. :-\
I read clearly into how he was hating on old Vince and his accomplishments while he, of all people, should know better. Yeah, i give Mike props for going through contest prep, and no T.A. it's not as easy as you think. Prepping all your own food, getting up at 4:45 AM for an hour of cardio and fighting cravings are a bitch. The point i want to make here is this:
competing doesn't make you a man and it sure as hell doesn't make you any better than anyone else or trump their accomplishments. it does show a strong self will and determination to finish the job though and it should be commended regardless of whether you competed in the golden age of BB or now.
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I read clearly into how he was hating on old Vince and his accomplishments while he, of all people, should know better. Yeah, i give Mike props for going through contest prep, and no T.A. it's not as easy as you think. Prepping all your own food, getting up at 4:45 AM for an hour of cardio and fighting cravings are a bitch. The point i want to make here is this:
competing doesn't make you a man and it sure as hell doesn't make you any better than anyone else or trump their accomplishments. it does show a strong self will and determination to finish the job though and it should be commended regardless of whether you competed in the golden age of BB or now.
I don`t have to do cardio :) Cravings aren`t difficult either if you eat good food though. There is no reason to eat bland foods. Virtually any gourmet cookbook will have something to eat.
Its easy, just have to be consistent. That is all there is to it. Consistency. The difficulty of being consistent for me is non existant. :)
I have read tons of stories of people getting in great shape and not even tanning,stepping on a stage to win....
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What is the hard part of it?
The work part,dieting and training is TOO EASY. Posing takes practice I am sure, but is not exactly hard.
Tanning? How hard is it to go outside or go lay in a bed? Tell me when does it get hard?
If it's so easy Adam, why haven't you done it? You chose to enter an online photo contest over stepping on a real stage. Why don't you take a poll and ask those who have stepped on a stage and ask them how much work is involved in preparing for a contest. Better yet ask them how "easy" it was to prepare for such while maintaining a job, relationship and just everyday life. Let me know what they say. ;)
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If it's so easy Adam, why haven't you done it? You chose to enter an online photo contest over stepping on a real stage. Why don't you take a poll and ask those who have stepped on a stage and ask them how much work is involved in preparing for a contest. Better yet ask them how "easy" it was to prepare for such while maintaining a job, relationship and just everyday life. Let me know what they say. ;)
Again,
Where is the difficulty in tanning and posing?
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I don`t have to do cardio :) Cravings aren`t difficult either if you eat good food though. There is no reason to eat bland foods. Virtually any gourmet cookbook will have something to eat.
Its easy, just have to be consistent. That is all there is to it. Consistency. The difficulty of being consistent for me is non existant. :)
I have read tons of stories of people getting in great shape and not even tanning,stepping on a stage to win....
my food is usually not bland either and on high carb days i'm in heaven. consistency is key but there are some ppl that just cant be that disciplined for that long. it's easy for me now b/c i've dieted several times but it still sucks having to get up early and do cardio b/c i don't have the metabolism of a jackrabbit. i never did, i was a fat ass in high school ;D you are lucky not to have to do cardio TA, that is for sure. you also have your age on your side, your metabolism will slow with time, beware.
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I don`t have to do cardio :) Cravings aren`t difficult either if you eat good food though. There is no reason to eat bland foods. Virtually any gourmet cookbook will have something to eat.
Its easy, just have to be consistent. That is all there is to it. Consistency. The difficulty of being consistent for me is non existant. :)
I have read tons of stories of people getting in great shape and not even tanning,stepping on a stage to win....
Again Adam, if it is so damn easy for you, why haven't you done it. Why is it you never show us manditory poses, always the same left arm, side chest, with pants on pose. You have been asked a million and one times to show different poses, those you would have to in order to be in a contest and you never do. I will admit you have come a long way (physique wise) since you first started posting, but you act like you really believe you are an "Adonis".
btw, Michael was "hating" on Vince because he thought he was a "gimmick" account.
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my food is usually not bland either and on high carb days i'm in heaven. consistency is key but there are some ppl that just cant be that disciplined for that long. it's easy for me now b/c i've dieted several times but it still sucks having to get up early and do cardio b/c i don't have the metabolism of a jackrabbit. i never did, i was a fat ass in high school ;D you are lucky not to have to do cardio TA, that is for sure. you also have your age on your side, your metabolism will slow with time, beware.
Theres ways to combat that even through diet, if you have the courage to lower the calories enough. Contrary to what people think, it is REALLY hard to lose muscle even when dieting. I have seen people say, "I over-dieted this year" only next year they eat more and still have the same result. Muscle is not so easily lost at all. If your metabolism slows down, just keep lowering the calories. I would rather eat 1500-1800 calories and do no cardio. Then eat 2000-2700 and do cardio,(Which I have done in the past and gotten the same results).
People complicate this whole process.
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If it's so easy Adam, why haven't you done it? You chose to enter an online photo contest over stepping on a real stage. Why don't you take a poll and ask those who have stepped on a stage and ask them how much work is involved in preparing for a contest. Better yet ask them how "easy" it was to prepare for such while maintaining a job, relationship and just everyday life. Let me know what they say. ;)
i approach it as if it were my job. it does take a strain on your relationship with your spouse though, but it gets easier with each diet b/c you learn to make it less of a burden on everyone else and assume all responsibility. it's funny when ppl pick on you for being OCD or anal retentive or whatever b/c you have to eat at a certain time...hahah
Better to be laughed at while prepping than laughed at on stage.
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If it's so easy Adam, why haven't you done it? You chose to enter an online photo contest over stepping on a real stage. Why don't you take a poll and ask those who have stepped on a stage and ask them how much work is involved in preparing for a contest. Better yet ask them how "easy" it was to prepare for such while maintaining a job, relationship and just everyday life. Let me know what they say. ;)
Yeah TA, I have to say, if its so easy why havent you done it? And there is a difference between people that comepted and people that havent..jus tthe fact, that one had the determination and discipline to do it.
My guess/hunch is that you must of experimented with some gear, leaving you stuck between a natural show and an open show. ;D JMHO.
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it's funny when ppl pick on you for being OCD or anal retentive or whatever b/c you have to eat at a certain time...hahah
THAT is sooooooooooo true lmao :D
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Again Adam, if it is so damn easy for you, why haven't you done it. Why is it you never show us manditory poses, always the same left arm, side chest, with pants on pose. You have been asked a million and one times to show different poses, those you would have to in order to be in a contest and you never do. I will admit you have come a long way (physique wise) since you first started posting, but you act like you really believe you are an "Adonis".
btw, Michael was "hating" on Vince because he thought he was a "gimmick" account.
Just because something is so easy, does not mean I have to throw myself into something....I am an expert in playing X-Box games hahahah but I don`t go entering in Gaming Tournaments. Funny that there is more recognition and prizes in those competitions than in bodybuilding. I have never lost a single fight in Fight Night,Round 2 or Round 3 even. hahahahahahah
There are a lot of other examples I could use. I had a fast Lotus Esprit with a chip and some other parts, but I didn`t feel the need to enter a street race where I would have easily won.
It all matters in what you want to do.
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Yeah TA, I have to say, if its so easy why havent you done it? And there is a difference between people that comepted and people that havent..jus tthe fact, that one had the determination and discipline to do it.
My guess/hunch is that you must of experimented with some gear, leaving you stuck between a natural show and an open show. ;D JMHO.
Who says you can`t be in the shape shape as the people who DO compete? There is no difference.
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THAT is sooooooooooo true lmao :D
i tell you what though, the next fuggin' retard that stops at my cube at 10 AM when i'm eating chicken/veggies or whatever and says, "Is that breakfast?" or "Every time I walk by you're eating"...
i'm gonna fuggin' punch'em in the throat...haha...jk. i get questions weekly about my diet and i just want to say "you wouldn't do it, so why ya wanna know?"...i used to be a personal trainer and that was the worst part of it, giving nutritional counseling to people who weren't really going to follow it but didn't mind paying you to kick the crap out of them three times a week ;D
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Just because something is so easy, does not mean I have to throw myself into something....I am an expert in playing X-Box games hahahah but I don`t go entering in Gaming Tournaments. Funny that there is more recognition and prizes in those competitions than in bodybuilding. I have never lost a single fight in Fight Night,Round 2 or Round 3 even. hahahahahahah
There are a lot of other examples I could use. I had a fast Lotus Esprit with a chip and some other parts, but I didn`t feel the need to enter a street race where I would have easily won.
It all matters in what you want to do.
You're thowing yourself into an "online" contest. One that can be easily manipulated (and don't give me the crap about it being against the rules). Like I said Adam, I truly have nothing against you but if you were that confident and it was that easy and you loved it (bodybuilding) as much as you claim...you would have done a show...just for yourself, not anyone else. But instead, you choose to post how "easy" it is to do WITHOUT EVER HAVING DONE IT and IMO that is a huge insult to those who have worked hard (which IS how it IS) and competed. Your friend wood included.
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Who says you can`t be in the shape shape as the people who DO compete? There is no difference.
it's just armchair quarterbacking, that's all. you have that right to make that choice. you choose not to compete, your choice. you may regret one day not seeing exactly how you could have done though.
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Adam has a point though, I didnt read the start of this post, uhhg, Vince Basil was Mr Canada, in 1970...and hes accomplished alot...there is no reason for him to prove himself to anyone...ill just leave it at that..
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go do a show,compete.......learn what it is like to be a man
Cheri, are you still planning on doing a show? if yes, do you think that the contest prep will make you learn what it's like to be a woman? (as per Mike's words)
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What is the hard part of it?
The work part,dieting and training is TOO EASY. Posing takes practice I am sure, but is not exactly hard.
Tanning? How hard is it to go outside or go lay in a bed? Tell me when does it get hard?
TA its all of those things put together that is hard...Then you add in a full time job and in my case a family and all the obligations that come with life..and doing all that for 3 months....Its hard...does it qualify you as man ummmm HELL NO...to me nobody is a man until they can keep a happy marriage and raise a family....
Oh and taking shots every fuckin day is hard too!!!! LOL...
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You're thowing yourself into an "online" contest. One that can be easily manipulated (and don't give me the crap about it being against the rules). Like I said Adam, I truly have nothing against you but if you were that confident and it was that easy and you loved it (bodybuilding) as much as you claim...you would have done a show...just for yourself, not anyone else. But instead, you choose to post how "easy" it is to do WITHOUT EVER HAVING DONE IT and IMO that is a huge insult to those who have worked hard (which IS how it IS) and competed. Your friend wood included.
It IS EASY getting into contest Bodybuilding shape. Isn`t that the work involved with Bodybuilding?
The rest is simple. It is not an insult. Jay Leno has by far the best Deusenburg collection in the world, yet he does not feel the need to enter his cars at the annual Deusenburg competiton. But I can assure you that his cars are top notch.
You see, the work is the part that needs to be done, the competiton is just a venue to show it.
So where is it difficult?
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So where is it difficult?
for a straight guy, it takes a lot of courage to slap on some oil and a thong and pose in front of an audience of mostly gay men. that would be the difficult part.
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First time I'm responding to 1 of your posts, but bro, it is NOT easy to get into (respectable) contest shape!
At least if you're someone who's NOT naturally lean - Arvilla, myself, etc.
I've done 2 bb contests (natural) - while both were fun as hell to do - the last month of dieting to go from reasonably lean (like where you are now I think TA) to RIPPED - freaking SUCKS!!! Again, this may not apply to you, but for me at least, it took 2 hours a day of cardio + low calorie dieting for the last month of prep to get that really RIPPED look.
I've also dieted for amateur wrestling - which actually is a bit harder, due to having to drop all that water weight, in addition to fat.
Seriously, TA - try a contest - not to prove anything to anyone - but just for fun!
It sounds + looks like you've got a fast metabolism, so you'd probably only need 1 or 1,5 months to get in really ripped shape.
Good luck,
bb doc
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TA-
First time I'm responding to 1 of your posts, but bro, it is NOT easy to get into (respectable) contest shape!
At least if you're someone who's NOT naturally lean - Arvilla, myself, etc.
I've done 2 bb contests (natural) - while both were fun as hell to do - the last month of dieting to go from reasonably lean (like where you are now I think TA) to RIPPED - freaking SUCKS!!! Again, this may not apply to you, but for me at least, it took 2 hours a day of cardio + low calorie dieting for the last month of prep to get that really RIPPED look.
I've also dieted for amateur wrestling - which actually is a bit harder, due to having to drop all that water weight, in addition to fat.
Seriously, TA - try a contest - not to prove anything to anyone - but just for fun!
It sounds + looks like you've got a fast metabolism, so you'd probably only need 1 or 1,5 months to get in really ripped shape.
Good luck,
bb doc
The level of difficulty is dependent upon your methods.
Why did you have to do 2 hours of cardio? What if you went ultra low calorie for 12-15 months first. I guarantee that if you did that, I doubt cardio would even be a concern.
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I don't see what's hard. Eat less, eat real food and your set. I tell people I'm eating 1,500 calories a day and then they tell me it's too low then I tell them what I actually eat and they realize I'm eating better than them. Sheep following the herd. I eat 1 big meal that kicks up my calories and I keep it simple. It's too fucking easy......
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The level of difficulty is dependent upon your methods.
Why did you have to do 2 hours of cardio? What if you went ultra low calorie for 12-15 months first. I guarantee that if you did that, I doubt cardio would even be a concern.
Your right size would be a concern...Especially for a natural..
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I don't see what's hard. Eat less, eat real food and your set. I tell people I'm eating 1,500 calories a day and then they tell me it's too low then I tell them what I actually eat and they realize I'm eating better than them. Sheep following the herd. I eat 1 big meal that kicks up my calories and I keep it simple. It's too fucking easy......
Jeezzizzz..that logic you just gave sucks...Remember that it isnt all about just losing weight..its about how to lose the most bodyfat while holding on to as much muscle as possible....1500 cals a day for a contest is terrible..you still have to keep the cals high but just with clean foods...
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Jeezzizzz..that logic you just gave sucks...Remember that it isnt all about just losing weight..its about how to lose the most bodyfat while holding on to as much muscle as possible....1500 cals a day for a contest is terrible..you still have to keep the cals high but just with clean foods...
Losing muscle is almost impossible. You're to brainwashed from FLEX magazine and all these juicers talking shit to realize that that kind of thing is a myth.
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Losing muscle is almost impossible. You're to brainwashed from FLEX magazine and all these juicers talking shit to realize that that kind of thing is a myth.
I dont read the bullshit magazines...But please go ahead and explain how losing muscle is impossible..
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Jeezzizzz..that logic you just gave sucks...Remember that it isnt all about just losing weight..its about how to lose the most bodyfat while holding on to as much muscle as possible....1500 cals a day for a contest is terrible..you still have to keep the cals high but just with clean foods...
I have dieted with ahigh calorie approach with cardio and now a low calorie approach with zero cardio..
I have lost bodyfat at the same rate and have retained the same amount of muscle mass. I have added about 3-6 lbs of muscle since last year so I am on a correct path.
It is VERY DIFFICULT to lose muscle when dieting....I have yet to see anyone that actually has lost muscle due to dieting, provided they are eating frequently enough with protein. Most people just don`t realize how fat they really are and it is a shock to them when they diet down.
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How many competitors have said, "I over-dieted" then next year they look the same with barely any added weight but their approach was different. I have seen this too many times.
Its harder to lose muscle than it is to lose fat.
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Mr. Hutch go troll Ebay for some deals on limited edition Arnold Franklin Mint plate sets hahahahaha
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How many competitors have said, "I over-dieted" then next year they look the same with barely any added weight but their approach was different. I have seen this too many times.
Its harder to lose muscle than it is to lose fat.
What most guys mean by over dieting is that they flattened out their muscles to a point where when they try and carb up they just look even flatter and softer...I dont they mean they lose muscle....
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I have dieted with ahigh calorie approach with cardio and now a low calorie approach with zero cardio..
I have lost bodyfat at the same rate and have retained the same amount of muscle mass. I have added about 3-6 lbs of muscle since last year so I am on a correct path.
It is VERY DIFFICULT to lose muscle when dieting....I have yet to see anyone that actually has lost muscle due to dieting, provided they are eating frequently enough with protein. Most people just don`t realize how fat they really are and it is a shock to them when they diet down.
I understand what you say Adonis but like the guy above said, is that you dont know what it is like being "contest"....Their is a big fuckin difference..I have seen your pics of you lean, and yes you look good but that aint contest lean man...I think if you try a show you will realize that in those last 4 weeks how it is possible to lose muscle..
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Mr. Hutch go troll Ebay for some deals on limited edition Arnold Franklin Mint plate sets hahahahaha
Thats exactly what I thought you'd say...hurry go eat 1 high cal meal for the day...
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I understand what you say Adonis but like the guy above said, is that you dont know what it is like being "contest"....Their is a big fuckin difference..I have seen your pics of you lean, and yes you look good but that aint contest lean man...I think if you try a show you will realize that in those last 4 weeks how it is possible to lose muscle..
Ok, we will see about that. hahaha
You guys like to make it out to be harder than it is though. I guess it makes you feel like you actually have done something. Arvilla is convinced that he is now a man. hahahhaa
Don`t be delusional. Look at Shawn Perine. He STAYS at 4-5 percent year round and eats pretty much what I eat...He even includes the good old Protein bar. :)
It is easy.
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Ok, we will see about that. hahaha
You guys like to make it out to be harder than it is though. I guess it makes you feel like you actually have done something. Arvilla is convinced that he is now a man. hahahhaa
Don`t be delusional. Look at Shawn Perine. He STAYS at 4-5 percent year round and eats pretty much what I eat...He even includes the good old Protein bar. :)
It is easy.
U know what your right it is easy to do a contest..the hard part is actually placing well in a contest and being a competitor that people notice..Not just some guy who thinks he is ripped and everyone cant wait til he gets off stage...
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I can't blame TA for doing the online show and not a "real" show.
GB - Everyone in the top 3 of each class gets a couple hundred $ in cash and prizes.
NPC - The overall winner in a local NPC show gets a plastic trophy.
GB - 20,000+ people will follow this contest, easily
NPC - 25 people in the audience for prejudging. 60 at the night show.
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Haha.. True Adonis, i think your annoying the masses because your the only soul that thinks contest dieting is easy, or maybe the fact that you say this and have never competed ???
Hey if its easy for you cool. You can say, its not that its hard, you just have to be disciplined, and want to get into contest shape bad enough...then its easy..for me its been easy since April- went from 240 to now 213 in August..(im hoping the scale will say 210 tom am at the gym)..its been easy for me, because Im hunngry to get back into bodybuilding shape..Its hard when I crave a pizza once in a blue..but thats only if I miss a meal and get too hungry. Otherwise, im an eating machine and losring about 2 lbs a week, or 8-10 lbs a month.
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Haha.. True Adonis, i think your annoying the masses because your the only soul that thinks contest dieting is easy, or maybe the fact that you say this and have never competed ???
Hey if its easy for you cool. You can say, its not that its hard, you just have to be disciplined, and want to get into contest shape bad enough...then its easy..for me its been easy since April- went from 240 to now 213 in August..(im hoping the scale will say 210 tom am at the gym)..its been easy for me, because Im hunngry to get back into bodybuilding shape..Its hard when I crave a pizza once in a blue..but thats only if I miss a meal and get too hungry. Otherwise, im an eating machine and losring about 2 lbs a week, or 8-10 lbs a month.
It is easy, you are right.
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I can't blame TA for doing the online show and not a "real" show.
GB - Everyone in the top 3 of each class gets a couple hundred $ in cash and prizes.
NPC - The overall winner in a local NPC show gets a plastic trophy.
GB - 20,000+ people will follow this contest, easily
NPC - 25 people in the audience for prejudging. 60 at the night show.
what piece of shit NPC shows do you go to..we have over a thousand people at our state show this year...about 600 at prejudging..
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Consider the source-the king of anger-management issues & rednecks on getbig. Someone who continually makes it obvious he hates Canadians yet is married to one; a moron.
Since you endorse it, go and make your very own avatar of you flexing your 13" arms you judgemental, self-righteous jackass.hahahahaahahahah ahah
I posted a pic of myself. Did you?
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what piece of shit NPC shows do you go to..we have over a thousand people at our state show this year...about 600 at prejudging..
that's pretty good. Do you think all NPC shows draw 1000 people, the majority, some, or very few?
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Consider the source-the king of anger-management issues & rednecks on getbig. Someone who continually makes it obvious he hates Canadians yet is married to one; a moron.
I don't hate Canadians. I'm not angry. I just enjoy hammering dorks like you.
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Yeah 240, you must go to some pos shows like Mr Hutch said, man the NGA shows in Manhattan i was in, holy shit the crowd was massive..im sure Pros like Kai Green that graced the stage didnt hurt either.. he was awesome back then (like 10 years ago)..
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Yeah 240, you must go to some pos shows like Mr Hutch said, man the NGA shows in Manhattan i was in, holy shit the crowd was massive..im sure Pros like Kai Green that graced the stage didnt hurt either.. he was awesome back then (like 10 years ago)..
Was he more gay or less gay back then?
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500% less gay
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Monster blue thong
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The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.
I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.
He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.
I missed exchanging posts with The Adonis. For what it is worth I have to say that muscle size is easy to lose if you go on a diet. The body loses muscle before fat. At least that is what it does when you get older. Lots of guys look huge about 6 weeks out from a contest then appear on stage in a quite depleted condition. I cite Dorian Yates for example.
Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.
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The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.
I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.
He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.
I missed exchanging posts with The Adonis. For what it is worth I have to say that muscle size is easy to lose if you go on a diet. The body loses muscle before fat. At least that is what it does when you get older. Lots of guys look huge about 6 weeks out from a contest then appear on stage in a quite depleted condition. I cite Dorian Yates for example.
Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.
id like to believe I'm man enough to admit when im wrong................... ....
i was wrong............i apologize
Mike
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No worries, Mike. There are so many people using fake ID online that everyone has a right to be sceptical. I never post as anyone else online. I guess it takes guts to post using our real names. I wish more people would do that. It might stop most of the nastiness around here. On the other hand there is a lot of stirring going on and in real life I am one of the best stirrers. You people haven't seen that side of me yet! :)
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Hello, everyone !
Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.
Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....
Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....
The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:
BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS FUCK FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.
I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!
Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.
At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.
Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!
I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.
It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.
And that's that!
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500% less gay
Yeah he had an awesome physique back in the NGA days. AWESOME hamstrings..I remember we wer ein the pump up room, getting ready and he was cool as ice, just had his headphones on, relaxing..lol..
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Hello, everyone !
Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.
Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....
Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....
The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:
BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS f**k FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.
I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!
Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.
At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.
Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!
I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.
It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.
And that's that!
Me1tdown
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I have just read this thread shaking my head. You guys have a guy (Vince) who is a master engineer of exercise equipment posting on this board and he gets put down. Vince come back to the good site. Vince is 64 and training without juice. I bet he looks better than you 20,30, and 40 year old juice heads when you go off the sauce for 6 months. Saying Vince's physique was nothing special while comparing him to GH,steroid, insulin, synthol, speed, thyroid, HCG and anti estrogen using cosmetic freaks makes me embarrassed to be interested in bodybuilding.
On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.
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I have just read this thread shaking my head. You guys have a guy (Vince) who is a master engineer of exercise equipment posting on this board and he gets put down. Vince come back to the good site. Vince is 64 and training without juice. I bet he looks better than you 20,30, and 40 year old juice heads when you go off the sauce for 6 months. Saying Vince's physique was nothing special while comparing him to GH,steroid, insulin, synthol, speed, thyroid, HCG and anti estrogen using cosmetic freaks makes me embarrassed to be interested in bodybuilding.
On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.
Asking for logical, reasonable thoughts on this board is like asking a bear to shit in a toilet. Maybe try the other boards around here like the Bodybuilding Fans one. It might be more to your taste. Cheers. :D
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On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.
Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.
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It is a challenge to post on this board and avoid being bagged by someone. It is an interesting forum and open slather. I don't participate in bagging others but I am sure I give some a few serves myself. In person, I don't take any crap at all. Guess these boards sort of level the playing field.
I am amazed at the condition modern guys get into and especially their thighs. However, many end up looking like freaks. I don't mean size wise but just general appearance. If that is the result of doing whatever it takes then I say no thanks. Most of us looked better back before gynocomastia became rampant. I have exposed a rather cavalier attitude of many towards those drugs. Who would have thought that there could ever be complacency regarding steroids and other substances used to get bigger. I guess almost everyone believes you need those chemicals to be big so that is what they do. I wonder if we can reverse this mindset? I doubt it.
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Vince, how about posting some photos from your 1970 Mr. Canada win?
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Hello, everyone !
Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.
Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....
Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....
The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:
BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS f**k FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.
I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!
Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.
At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.
Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!
I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.
It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.
And that's that!
Iv`e gone longer than 4 months without a cheat and way less calories and will be leaner than you at your competition, yet you don`t hear me whining.
This shit is too easy.
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I have exposed a rather cavalier attitude of many towards those drugs. Who would have thought that there could ever be complacency regarding steroids and other substances used to get bigger. I guess almost everyone believes you need those chemicals to be big so that is what they do. I wonder if we can reverse this mindset? I doubt it.
My god I wish these performance enhancing drugs never existed...
Imagine how much we would be talking about genetics and those who work hard etc..
We would REALLY know how to train as those who have the most effective methods would reign supreme, but now we dont know due to drugs
These days you see a big guy, but is it a reflection of his superior genetics, training and diet or just a vast knowledge and application of drugs..
Anyway I am dreaming but when you flash multi-million dollar contracts into the sporting industry there will always be research into getting the edge for football, endurance sports,baseball and other events... just happens to be drugs
Its hard not thinking that you need drugs to get anywhere in bodybuilding, going natural is a tough road in a midst of syringes and vials...
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Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.
Monster delusion
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Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.
Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.
That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.
They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.
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'The Animal' is right about bodybuilding. Even though there are bodybuilders who compete naturally the vast majority of competitors try the shortcuts. What happens is that people start looking for help in the wrong places because they do not believe training alone will give them the results they seek. This belief is now entrenched in bodybuilding and if I say it is possible to get big without drugs I am considered a lunatic. How would we know what is possible if no one is trying? That is the problem. Sure training is important but if guys are using and training then what exactly is responsible for their gains?
If scientists could be encouraged to do more research into hypertrophy I believe it might be possible to find out how to get big without steroids and other drugs. It has to be possible. We need more knowledge. The universities are not doing the relevant research and what a pity that a former Mr Olympia cannot gets funds directed into the research that we all need. I see all that money spent of law enforcement a monumental waste of money and manpower. Imagine if part of those resources were spent on hyertrophy research?
How sad is it when stalwart guys like Chick cannot even voice an opinion about doping. He accepts it like almost everyone else does. I am considered out of the loop so that means what I say is irrelevant. Well, Chick, you have no argument and your position on drugs is a disgrace. How are we going to solve this problem if you guys won't even consider it is a problem?
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Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.
That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.
They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.
I believe in the "mental" addictiveness, but not physical addictiveness. I believe you see yourself growing and therefore mentally feel you can't get big without them so you keep doing cycle after cycle. But I don't believe you go through physical with-drawls like the other drugs I stated. I don't believe you would need drug intervention or the Betty Ford clinic to stop taking steroids.
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Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.
That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.
They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.
brutal truth.
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I believe in the "mental" addictiveness, but not physical addictiveness. I believe you see yourself growing and therefore mentally feel you can't get big without them so you keep doing cycle after cycle. But I don't believe you go through physical with-drawls like the other drugs I stated. I don't believe you would need drug intervention or the Betty Ford clinic to stop taking steroids.
Well some people do get depressed though. I imagine there are those who do indeed need help getting off the drugs. You are playing with your endocrine system. That isn't a small thing, and as far as long term consequences, the studies just aren't there as far as I know.
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Well some people do get depressed though. I imagine there are those who do indeed need help getting off the drugs. You are playing with your endocrine system. That isn't a small thing, and as far as long term consequences, the studies just aren't there as far as I know.
Of course they get depressed. You are introducing a chemical testosterone into your system, overloading your otherwise natural balance, your own body then stops creating natural testosterone and when you stop taking the steroid you are left with little or none. Some may never get their natural testosterone going again and will have to rely on chemical test, but it doesn't make them an addict to steroids. And you certainly don't go thru the same kind of DTs a person who had been taking Oxys or the equivalent. IMO the "addiction" to steroids is more of want for size and fear of losing size.
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It's a shame when "old school" bodybuilding refers to only taking X amount of Deca versus X + Y.
Yes, the results you get from steroids cannot be attained otherwise. Female b/bers prove this - they'd NEVER get that way in 100 years of training. Look at the female US Olympic lifters who are tested. Next to the female b/bers they are very small.
But without the drugs, that muscle dissolves away. Your muscles are tied to a "lease agreement" with the drug company (or drug pusher) and there is no purchase option available.
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Yes, Heywood, women definitely suggest that anabolics help them get much bigger than they might be able to do without those drugs. I think the evidence is overwhelming. However, I am not so sure this applies to the men. There might be a threshold below which it is unlikely you will ever get big. There might be some men who can get huge without any drugs. If we go back to the pre-steroid era we know many built up large muscles. Things have improved since the 1940s and we can speculate what those guys might have achieved with better equipment, training information and nutrition. The science in physiology has transcended anything known in those days. We literally do not know what is possible because most of the best bodybuilders use drugs and it is unlikely we can determine exactly what is causing more hypertrophy. We need more knowledge and more testing. If even one bodybuilder can get huge naturally it might be possible that others can, too. If no on believes that it is possible to get huge naturally then that belief can surely prevent anyone from trying to find out.
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I agree, Vince. I don't like to think in terms of putting limits on potential either.
I have no problem with anyone getting as large as they want - if it's done without the help of drugs.
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There are three experiments done on animals that have potential for humans. Gonyea and his strong cat, the stretching with fowl, and the severing of gastrocnemi in rats. Those studies have immense potential if applied to human hypertrophy. It is my conjecture that perhaps training a muscle for 8 to 12 hours a day for a month or more might lead to hypertrophy that has not been attained before. Individuals trying this might exceed any potential they had from conventional training. They might not exceed the monsters of today but will get bigger than what they thought was possible for themselves. If genetically gifted bodybuilders employ these protocols then who knows what is possible for them. My fear is that some pros would do something like this but use plenty of chemicals as well! You gotta love the desire to be the best in the world and get all that fame. When I read what Hypertrophy Specific Training advocates I smile to myself. Why limit yourself like that? Surely there are young guys out there who are crazy enough to try some extreme protocols? If anyone is that crazy I don't advocate jumping in on the long training sessions. You have to gradually apply the stress. Keep the suntanning approach as a guide. That is you wouldn't go outside in the hot sun and stay there all day the first day you wanted a tan! You cannot train the whole body everyday all day and expect to grow all your muscles. I would do one bodypart and recommend trying arms. If you get your arms growing then all the surrounding muscles should grow as well. It is possible to do this every 2nd or 3rd day and then do other muscles in the off days.
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your showing some right now old timer................... ..............
god bless
Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you? He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development. The 80's till the mid 90's as well. One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show?? Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show? A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy. When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.
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Here you go. I haven't put many images up on my Smugmug site yet.
http://ovincez.smugmug.com/gallery/1337225
That's a great front db, Vince...you fall into it just like the guys of the era. Posing IS a lost art.
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There are three experiments done on animals that have potential for humans. Gonyea and his strong cat, the stretching with fowl, and the severing of gastrocnemi in rats. Those studies have immense potential if applied to human hypertrophy. It is my conjecture that perhaps training a muscle for 8 to 12 hours a day for a month or more might lead to hypertrophy that has not been attained before. Individuals trying this might exceed any potential they had from conventional training. They might not exceed the monsters of today but will get bigger than what they thought was possible for themselves. If genetically gifted bodybuilders employ these protocols then who knows what is possible for them. My fear is that some pros would do something like this but use plenty of chemicals as well! You gotta love the desire to be the best in the world and get all that fame. When I read what Hypertrophy Specific Training advocates I smile to myself. Why limit yourself like that? Surely there are young guys out there who are crazy enough to try some extreme protocols? If anyone is that crazy I don't advocate jumping in on the long training sessions. You have to gradually apply the stress. Keep the suntanning approach as a guide. That is you wouldn't go outside in the hot sun and stay there all day the first day you wanted a tan! You cannot train the whole body everyday all day and expect to grow all your muscles. I would do one bodypart and recommend trying arms. If you get your arms growing then all the surrounding muscles should grow as well. It is possible to do this every 2nd or 3rd day and then do other muscles in the off days.
Vince, you have been espousing this stuff online for several years now yet you have nothing to show for it. You own a gym, correct? Train some young buck with your theories and prove they are valid.
I think your ideas such as the one above are pure folly.
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Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you? He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development. The 80's till the mid 90's as well. One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show?? Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show? A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy. When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.
Well if you continued to read on you would have seen that Mike thought Vince was a gimmick account and later appologized via PM to Vince himself (Vince confirmed in this thread).
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Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you? He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development. The 80's till the mid 90's as well. One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show?? Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show? A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy. When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.
ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out, that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself
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ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself
Mike, you used to be one of the most gentle guys on here. If you are able to transfer this newfound spark/aggressiveness to the gym then the stage, you're gonna be kicking the crap outta some people at the next show!
When are you competing again? What weight do you think you'll be onstage this time?
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Mike, you used to be one of the most gentle guys on here. If you are able to transfer this newfound spark/aggressiveness to the gym then the stage, you're gonna be kicking the crap outta some people at the next show!
When are you competing again? What weight do you think you'll be onstage this time?
june 10th (West Palm Beach show again)
hopefully ................225 or so
lol thanks Rob!
(just get pissed when after 7 pages of back n forth then burying the hatchet,someone starts talking outta there ass
without reading the whole thing)
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june 10th (West Palm Beach show again)
hopefully ................225 or so
lol thanks Rob!
(just get pissed when after 7 pages of back n forth then burying the hatchet,someone starts talking outta there ass
without reading the whole thing)
;)
shit... 225... that'll put you 25 pounds heavier than before. You'll look like a different person up there. taking a whole year off?
you've always been a nice guy, which is good and all. But I always thought that if you put away that friendly side, just said F the world, and stopped caring what others thought, you'd have more success. Just my 2 cents :)
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Hey, Mike, maybe we should have a friendly contest and see who can build the biggest arms by September 2007. I will do it naturally and you can use whatever you like. I am talking about pure size and not contest condition. I need some motivation to train hard. Neither of us have anything to lose. From looking at some of your photos I would say you need a lot more size, especially on the arms. I doubt you could beat me in calves so we don't have to worry about that body part. What do you think? Might make this thread have some purpose, afterall. I can then answer guys like Chris Mason who don't believe much about what I write.
To answer legbreaker and his comment about posing. I used to pose for 20 minutes every night before a contest. I used a rear view mirror to see how I looked from the back. What some have trouble with is knowing how to improve their poses and which ones suit them the best. I never had any help with my posing.
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Vince, you have issued such an arm challenge before and yet you do nothing.
I will say no more on the matter but I find it frustrating that you make bold statements about how big you can get your arms and then do nothing.
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Hey, Mike, maybe we should have a friendly contest and see who can build the biggest arms by September 2007. I will do it naturally and you can use whatever you like. I am talking about pure size and not contest condition. I need some motivation to train hard. Neither of us have anything to lose. From looking at some of your photos I would say you need a lot more size, especially on the arms. I doubt you could beat me in calves so we don't have to worry about that body part. What do you think? Might make this thread have some purpose, afterall. I can then answer guys like Chris Mason who don't believe much about what I write.
To answer legbreaker and his comment about posing. I used to pose for 20 minutes every night before a contest. I used a rear view mirror to see how I looked from the back. What some have trouble with is knowing how to improve their poses and which ones suit them the best. I never had any help with my posing.
Big arms in a big fat body does not do the cut man and I think Mike`s arms and shoulders are pretty good ;D
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Big arms in a big fat body does not do the cut man and I think Mike`s arms and shoulders are pretty good ;D
Thanks B !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.
I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.
I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.
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I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.
Question Vince: Why are you stating this (in red), when you already posted these (below)?
No worries, Mike. There are so many people using fake ID online that everyone has a right to be sceptical. I never post as anyone else online. I guess it takes guts to post using our real names. I wish more people would do that. It might stop most of the nastiness around here. On the other hand there is a lot of stirring going on and in real life I am one of the best stirrers. You people haven't seen that side of me yet! :)
The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.
I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.
He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.
Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.
One more thing. You stated you wanted this contest to go on "pure size and not contest condition"...I'm sorry but that wouldn't be fair considering ones bodyfat count...would it? Conditioning would definitely be a factor. Hell one of you could have a 18" fat arm that has some muscle and the other 18" lean muscular arm.
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To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.
I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.
I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.
Vince, if you want to prove something then do it and stop talking about it. That is my point. You type all of this bravado and then do nothing. You don't need a competition to build your arms. Just do it and prove you have something of interest or talk about other things.
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Vince, if you want to prove something then do it and stop talking about it. That is my point. You type all of this bravado and then do nothing. You don't need a competition to build your arms. Just do it and prove you have something of interest or talk about other things.
Chris has been very good to me so i take what he says as fact,................Vince i don't get this "challenge" ?
(do things because you want to better yourself/physique not to beat me)
my arms get very big in the offseason.....
why are you challenging people online??....i don't get it?
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ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out, that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself
Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him. That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix. Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old. I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.
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Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him. That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix. Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old. I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.
it's pathetic and sad that Vince at 65 or whatever is challenging people online
and the only thing you beat................is your meat
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Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him. That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix. Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old. I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.
Excuse me Mr. Legbreaker, but you really need to go back and read the whole fricken thread before continuing to post regarding this matter. But let me just summarize it for you seeing you are obviously to lazy to do so. Mike insulted Vince, yes, because he thought it was a kid with a gimmick account. He found out that Vince was not a gimmick account and appologized to him via PM. Vince posted that he understood right here in this same thread, had you read further...you would have noticed it.
MOVE ON WILL YOU!?!?! ::)
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No problem, Mike, i aint gonna get going with insults on a message board...but I hope your not as much a wise ass in person because one day you'll end up doin it to the wrong guy. Good luck.
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No problem, Mike, i aint gonna get going with insults on a message board...but I hope your not as much a wise ass in person because one day you'll end up doin it to the wrong guy. Good luck.
im totally different in person (actually a very nice guy)
thanks for your good wishes
Mike
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To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.
I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.
I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.
I thought you guys were cool, why the nasty comback ???
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Look, do any of you people think I want to blast away at my arms for a year just to prove I can make them grow? That is lunacy. However, if I have a goal and a purpose then perhaps that can motivate me. Mike fails to appreciate this about others. Some of us can feed off negativity. Arnold was like that. If people like me told him he would never be a great actor that made him try harder. I can see the fun has already gone out of this thread. How on earth can anyone here imagine that an egotistical guy like me would ever use a gimmick account? I have been posting here for years now and always under my own name. I have been interacting with guys like Only me and I have posted that I knew many of the guys who came to my place and so on. It might be true that few gym owners bother to post here and I understand that. Not many guys who have won titles post here, either. How many Mr Canadas post here? Not many.
I was astonished that Mike and his offsider attacked me and sustained it. Yes, from their point of view it was all a misunderstanding and I accepted that. However, the damage was already done. As far as physiques go I guess Mike is another person who loses a lot of size when he prepares for competition. A lot of guys lose too much muscle when they seek that ultra-defined look. As far as I am concerned I prefer to not get so cut but then we all know the standards have changed over the years and judges today demand to see striations everywhere. I think this has gone too far and definition is scored too highly. Well, the lack of definition is considered reason to not win or place high in contests.
Mike apologized for his misunderstanding which is fine, but then he keeps up this thing about old guys challenging others and so on. I remember when Lou challenged Arnold and said he was going to bring Arnold's head on a plate. That sort of bravado is good for some colour in this sometimes lackluster sport. I could care less about beating anyone today and won't compete in contests. That doesn't mean that challenges are not fun. I sort of envy guys who have not won a contest because they still have something to aim at.
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Look, do any of you people think I want to blast away at my arms for a year just to prove I can make them grow? That is lunacy. However, if I have a goal and a purpose then perhaps that can motivate me. Mike fails to appreciate this about others. Some of us can feed off negativity. Arnold was like that. If people like me told him he would never be a great actor that made him try harder. I can see the fun has already gone out of this thread. How on earth can anyone here imagine that an egotistical guy like me would ever use a gimmick account? I have been posting here for years now and always under my own name. I have been interacting with guys like Only me and I have posted that I knew many of the guys who came to my place and so on. It might be true that few gym owners bother to post here and I understand that. Not many guys who have won titles post here, either. How many Mr Canadas post here? Not many.
I was astonished that Mike and his offsider attacked me and sustained it. Yes, from their point of view it was all a misunderstanding and I accepted that. However, the damage was already done. As far as physiques go I guess Mike is another person who loses a lot of size when he prepares for competition. A lot of guys lose too much muscle when they seek that ultra-defined look. As far as I am concerned I prefer to not get so cut but then we all know the standards have changed over the years and judges today demand to see striations everywhere. I think this has gone too far and definition is scored too highly. Well, the lack of definition is considered reason to not win or place high in contests.
Mike apologized for his misunderstanding which is fine, but then he keeps up this thing about old guys challenging others and so on. I remember when Lou challenged Arnold and said he was going to bring Arnold's head on a plate. That sort of bravado is good for some colour in this sometimes lackluster sport. I could care less about beating anyone today and won't compete in contests. That doesn't mean that challenges are not fun. I sort of envy guys who have not won a contest because they still have something to aim at.
What is wrong with you? What damage was done? Are you going backwards or something...returning comments on his original posts? You are the one challenging him after everything was explained and you supposedly understood. He responded to your challenge. If you feel you have something to prove...prove it to yourself. There is no need to prove anything to anybody on a message board.
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What is wrong with you? What damage was done? Are you going backwards or something...returning comments on his original posts? You are the one challenging him after everything was explained and you supposedly understood. He responded to your challenge. If you feel you have something to prove...prove it to yourself. There is no need to prove anything to anybody on a message board.
Vince is old as dirt, that might explain it, he's so old he has an autographed bible.
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ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out, that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself
you tell him Mike, Vince is a little bitch.
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Arvilla needs a CALF challenge not an arm challenge...
If he put 2 inches on those things I'd be very impressed... doubt he is up for the pain required though
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Arvilla needs a CALF challenge not an arm challenge...
If he put 2 inches on those things I'd be very impressed... doubt he is up for the pain required though
and i suppose you could tell us all about it, right "jwb'? ::)
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Question Vince: Why are you stating this (in red), when you already posted these (below)?One more thing. You stated you wanted this contest to go on "pure size and not contest condition"...I'm sorry but that wouldn't be fair considering ones bodyfat count...would it? Conditioning would definitely be a factor. Hell one of you could have a 18" fat arm that has some muscle and the other 18" lean muscular arm.
In this case, I'll have to side Vince on this matter.
Mike you created this post, joked about how big of an old foggy he is and accused him of being a gimmick account when he's been around here for a few years.
Have some respect, bro and please stop bragging about getting third place. The reason I say this is because if I had walked onstage in the same condition I was at the 2004 Metrolina, I would have even walked home with a trophy as well. There was not enough people in your class to be considered "a tough division".
No-one remembers third place, Mike. Do they????
Vince won the Mr Canada...First Place. He can go around and still say he's a Mr Canada even if it was 36 years ago and people would still give him props.
No-one goes around and advertises he took third place in a bodybuilding show.
Third place is same as being the second loser. Sorry!!! Now go win a show and then you'll have room to talk
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In this case, I'll have to side Vince on this matter.
Mike you created this post, joked about how big of an old foggy he is and accused him of being a gimmick account when he's been around here for a few years.
Have some respect, bro and please stop bragging about getting third place. The reason I say this is because if I had walked onstage in the same condition I was at the 2004 Metrolina, I would have even walked home with a trophy as well. There was not enough people in your class to be considered "a tough division".
No-one remembers third place, Mike. Do they????
Vince won the Mr Canada...First Place. He can go around and still say he's a Mr Canada even if it was 36 years ago and people would still give him props.
No-one goes around and advertises he took third place in a bodybuilding show.
Third place is same as being the second loser. Sorry!!! Now go win a show and then you'll have room to talk
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and i suppose you could tell us all about it, right "jwb'? ::)
Damn straight... have an icarian calf raise at home
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Long time lurker here:
Jesus Mike I lost a lot of respect for you after reading this thread. Vince gives us an opportunity to learn about bodybuilding in its golden age and what do you do? You call him an old fogey. His physique was better than yours and he's a lifetime natural.
You place 3 out of 4 in an small show and all of a sudden you think you some hotshot. Why don't you come up here to Seattle and enter the Emerald Cup, see how your ego feels after that experience.
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Damn straight... have an icarian calf raise at home
groundbreaking training. ::)
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ROFLMAO, what do you all start reading from the last page back? Before you start ranting and raving about how Mike attacked poor old Vince, blah blah blah blah blah, go back to where he "THOUGHT HE WAS A GIMMICK ACCOUNT". If it weren't for all the little piss-ants creating gimmick accounts to rank on others, he (Mike) wouldn't have thought that Vince was not a real person.
And Vince Goodran...stfu. You are the absolutely last person who should open their mouths regarding placing in contests. The only reason your remembered is because of your pathetic attempt to at the very least ... bring home a 3rd place throphy. How long did it take you to get ready for you Metrolina show? I can remember your pictures from a year ago and you looked no different than the "new and improved" pictures you had a "professional photographer" take of you. I can't believe I ever felt bad for your pathetic ass. You definitely deserve all the slammin'you get. Go back to your bee pollen shit and leave the bodybuilding stuff...to those who actually build their bodies.
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ROFLMAO, what do you all start reading from the last page back? Before you start ranting and raving about how Mike attacked poor old Vince, blah blah blah blah blah, go back to where he "THOUGHT HE WAS A GIMMICK ACCOUNT". If it weren't for all the little piss-ants creating gimmick accounts to rank on others, he (Mike) wouldn't have thought that Vince was not a real person.
And Vince Goodran...stfu. You are the absolutely last person who should open their mouths regarding placing in contests. The only reason your remembered is because of your pathetic attempt to at the very least ... bring home a 3rd place throphy. How long did it take you to get ready for you Metrolina show? I can remember your pictures from a year ago and you looked no different than the "new and improved" pictures you had a "professional photographer" take of you. I can't believe I ever felt bad for your pathetic ass. You definitely deserve all the slammin'you get. Go back to your bee pollen shit and leave the bodybuilding stuff...to those who actually build their bodies.
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lmao, what is up with that pic 240.
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lmao, what is up with that pic 240.
I googled 'shocked' and that came up. It just looked so good I had to share :)
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I googled 'shocked' and that came up. It just looked so good I had to share :)
Is that Christina A?
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ROFLMAO, what do you all start reading from the last page back? Before you start ranting and raving about how Mike attacked poor old Vince, blah blah blah blah blah, go back to where he "THOUGHT HE WAS A GIMMICK ACCOUNT". If it weren't for all the little piss-ants creating gimmick accounts to rank on others, he (Mike) wouldn't have thought that Vince was not a real person.
And Vince Goodran...stfu. You are the absolutely last person who should open their mouths regarding placing in contests. The only reason your remembered is because of your pathetic attempt to at the very least ... bring home a 3rd place throphy. How long did it take you to get ready for you Metrolina show? I can remember your pictures from a year ago and you looked no different than the "new and improved" pictures you had a "professional photographer" take of you. I can't believe I ever felt bad for your pathetic ass. You definitely deserve all the slammin'you get. Go back to your bee pollen shit and leave the bodybuilding stuff...to those who actually build their bodies.
hahaha, are you implying that Vince couldn't even place in the Mr. South Carolina Skinny/Fat Homosexual contest, Cheri?
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groundbreaking training. ::)
mike has been training 20 years and has impressive arms and delts but his calves are very weak - and don't give the genetics excuse either because myself and many people I know started out with pretty puny calves also and we built them up with plain old hard work-
now that he is a big time bber putting shit on former NATIONAL title winners and successful gym owners he is open to criticism IMO...
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c'mon cheri mike spends 3 hours a day here for the past few years and never realized vince was an actual person? give me a break...
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hahaha, are you implying that Vince couldn't even place in the Mr. South Carolina Skinny/Fat Homosexual contest, Cheri?
I'm not implying anything my dear sarcasm. ;)
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ROFLMAO, what do you all start reading from the last page back? Before you start ranting and raving about how Mike attacked poor old Vince, blah blah blah blah blah, go back to where he "THOUGHT HE WAS A GIMMICK ACCOUNT". If it weren't for all the little piss-ants creating gimmick accounts to rank on others, he (Mike) wouldn't have thought that Vince was not a real person.
And Vince Goodran...stfu. You are the absolutely last person who should open their mouths regarding placing in contests. The only reason your remembered is because of your pathetic attempt to at the very least ... bring home a 3rd place throphy. How long did it take you to get ready for you Metrolina show? I can remember your pictures from a year ago and you looked no different than the "new and improved" pictures you had a "professional photographer" take of you. I can't believe I ever felt bad for your pathetic ass. You definitely deserve all the slammin'you get. Go back to your bee pollen shit and leave the bodybuilding stuff...to those who actually build their bodies.
Why don't you find another boyfriend other than someone who no longer goes out with you.
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hahaha, are you implying that Vince couldn't even place in the Mr. South Carolina Skinny/Fat Homosexual contest, Cheri?
Well, I could have dieted on apple pies and KFC and still would have placed 5th at the NPC Florida and went home with a trophy...... ;D
If Mike did the Metrolina, he would have gotten destroyed onstage and walked home with nothing because there is a lot of people in just about any class. Any show were every competitor in the class walks home with a trophy isn't really a tough division. I'm sorry but that's the way it is.
Its not like I don't like Arvilla, he's a good guy but he needs to have more humility in his accomplishments and more respect for his elders.
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Why don't you find another boyfriend other than someone who no longer goes out with you.
Wow, I'm hurt....deeply. ::)
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Well, I could have dieted on apple pies and KFC and still would have placed 5th at the NPC Florida and went home with a trophy...... ;D
If Mike did the Metrolina, he would have gotten destroyed onstage and walked home with nothing because there is a lot of people in just about any class. Any show were every competitor in the class walks home with a trophy isn't really a tough division. I'm sorry but that's the way it is.
Its not like I don't like Arvilla, he's a good guy but he needs to have more humility in his accomplishments and more respect for his elders.
hahahahahaha, don't even tell me that you're comparing yourself to Mike the way you looked in that show, Mike was a little smaller than he usually is but was very muscular and ripped, you looked like you didn't have a muscle anywhere.
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hahahahahaha, don't even tell me that you're comparing yourself to Mike the way you looked in that show, Mike was a little smaller than he usually is but was very muscular and ripped, you looked like you didn't have a muscle anywhere.
Of course not, I'm simply making a point that competing against three people in a show isn't a tough division.
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Wow, I'm hurt....deeply. ::)
Well, maybe you might find someone. You may want to contact Super Mario & Luigi although most likely they won't even think about unclogging your pipes.
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I don't mind talking to Mike but I have no interest whatever in engaging someone like Cheri. I am impressed that she fights his battles for him but I think that contributes to his lack of standing online.
I had to pick up some gym equipment I bought from a gym yesterday. The owner sent two of his staff to help me. Realize I have owned my own gym for 35 years and have made gym equipment for 30 years. I do know how to shift heavy equipment and so on. Well, these two guys reminded me why I am so disappointed with the whole gym scene. They had no clue whatever how to shift that gym equipment and even had trouble with common sense things such as how to put things on a stairclimber. I would recommend things and they would try to do something else. The lads meant well but they sure were challenged when it came to shifting equipment around.
If people are going to get all excited over some silly comments on a discussion board then the joy has evaporated and there is little point sustaining what will only be a sour thread. If people are going to be nasty enough to speculate on identities and then sustain an insulting thread and then believe they didn't offend anyone then so be it. That is about par for the irongame and the people in it. Genuine guys like me come along, use my real name, always post the truth and I am considered a gimmick account. If that doesn't indicate some form of total foolishness I don't know what does. Mike and Cheri's assumptions and theories were completely false. So why should I continue to interact with them here. Seems to me I will get more of the same from them. To expect anything else would make me a fool.
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Of course not, I'm simply making a point that competing against three people in a show isn't a tough division.
hey Vince you got any more pics? I am a big fan.
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What is wrong with you? What damage was done? Are you going backwards or something...returning comments on his original posts? You are the one challenging him after everything was explained and you supposedly understood. He responded to your challenge. If you feel you have something to prove...prove it to yourself. There is no need to prove anything to anybody on a message board.
Hey Mike do you always need women to fight your battles for you?
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Well, I could have dieted on apple pies and KFC and still would have placed 5th at the NPC Florida and went home with a trophy...... ;D
Uh huh.. ::)
What do you mean "could have dieted on apple pies and KFC"....looks like you already have been dieting on apple pies and KFC and then some.
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Hey Mike do you always need women to fight your battles for you?
Awwwwww. I'm sorry your boyfriend doesn't stick up for you. :-\ But there's no need to be jealous. :-*
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Uh huh.. ::)
What do you mean "could have dieted on apple pies and KFC"....looks like you already have been dieting on apple pies and KFC and then some.
Actually, it was Olive Garden. But then again that picture is 13 weeks out.
Now go away or at least use some vineger and water to clean yourself. We don't need that funky aroma lingering around here
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Actually, it was Olive Garden. But then again that picture is 13 weeks out.
Now go away or at least use some vineger and water to clean yourself. We don't need that funky aroma lingering around here
Wow, such quick wit. Makes one's head spin. ::)
But wait a minute...didn't you say that picture was to prove that you weren't fat anymore or out of shape? That you were lean, mean and in charge??
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Wow, such quick wit. Makes one's head spin. ::)
But wait a minute...didn't you say that picture was to prove that you weren't fat anymore or out of shape? That you were lean, mean and in charge??
Even with all the junk food I was eating, still didn't look like Fat Albert or Luther Vandross like everyone is saying.
BTW, if you're going to use photo-morphed pictures of me. I may as well show some of yours..... ;D
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Actually, it was Olive Garden. But then again that picture is 13 weeks out.
Now go away or at least use some vineger and water to clean yourself. We don't need that funky aroma lingering around here
Damn Vince, don't you think that's a little harsh?
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Even with all the junk food I was eating, still didn't look like Fat Albert or Luther Vandross like everyone is saying.
BTW, if you're going to use photo-morphed pictures of me. I may as well show some of yours..... ;D
No need to post pictures of your mother Vince. We know where you got your good looks.
BTW, liar liar pants on fire...you know that picture is not morphed.
Also, what is the time difference between these two pictures anyway?
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Also, what is the time difference between these two pictures anyway?
he a little balder now... haha only thing he loses is hair and contests!
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No need to post pictures of your mother Vince. We know where you got your good looks.
BTW, liar liar pants on fire...you know that picture is not morphed.
Also, what is the time difference between these two pictures anyway?
Better be careful, little girl. You don't want me to battle with me. I'll fuck that cheri pie up.
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Damn Vince, don't you think that's a little harsh?
Cheri wanted to bring the squawk. Now I have to kill the rooster.
At least I'll have a high protein lunch tommorrow.... ;D
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this thread is like Ryan Leaf mocking Dan Marino(ok, Doug Flutie). And Mike is HUGE for a juicer ::)
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1) Better be careful, little girl. You don't want me to battle with me. I'll f**k that cheri pie up.
2) Cheri wanted to bring the squawk. Now I have to kill the rooster.
3) At least I'll have a high protein lunch tommorrow.... ;D
1)You could only wish.
2) I don't know if you ever learned this in school, but roosters are male. I am definitely female. ;)
3) High protein tomorrow? Is it because you will be sucking off ... oops I mean killing off a rooster?
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this thread is like Ryan Leaf mocking Dan Marino(ok, Doug Flutie). And Mike is HUGE for a juicer ::)
How ya doing my Sicilian friend?
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1)You could only wish.
2) I don't know if you ever learned this in school, but roosters are male. I am definitely female. ;)
3) High protein tomorrow? Is it because you will be sucking off ... oops I mean killing off a rooster?
That's still up for debate. I may have to do a Crocodile Dundee to find out.
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Better be careful, little girl. You don't want me to battle with me. I'll f**k that cheri pie up.
me battle with me??? that should be interesting
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Cheri wanted to bring the squawk. Now I have to kill the rooster.
At least I'll have a high protein lunch tommorrow.... ;D
Vince, you are definitely one of a kind.
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That's still up for debate. I may have to do a Crocodile Dundee to find out.
You definitely could be competition in the female department. What bra size are you up to now?
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me battle with me??? that should be interesting
Hey, its late and I'm working on a project at the same time. But this show I'll be doing will be essentially me competing against the past self.
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You definitely could be competition in the female department. What bra size are you up to now?
The same as your mother. 0... I don't have breasts.
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He's right, it's late. Let him battle himself...
I am signing off for now, but I will leave you all with this final thought...
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/vincegoodrum/a.jpg)
Good night all ;)
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How ya doing my Sicilian friend?
good and I hope you are doing fine as well. I noticed that Mike apolgized, but I have to say that was a little out of character of him to bash Mr. Basile. I think getbig needs more oldtimers like Vince, I hope Mike was in a bad mood and it was an isolated incident, he seems like a cool guy. And he got a ton of support from the getbiggers when he was prepping for the contest.
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Hey, its late and I'm working on a project at the same time. But this show I'll be doing will be essentially me competing against the past self.
Vince, how many weeks out are you and what is your diet looking like? How many carbs are you taking in?
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He's right, it's late. Let him battle himself...
I am signing off for now, but I will leave you all with this final thought...
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/vincegoodrum/a.jpg)
Good night all ;)
Good night, don't let the bed bugs bite, and hopefully by tommorrow your @#@# won't be so tight
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Even with all the junk food I was eating, still didn't look like Fat Albert or Luther Vandross like everyone is saying.
BTW, if you're going to use photo-morphed pictures of me. I may as well show some of yours..... ;D
Why would anyone morph photos of you? You already look like 10 pounds of shit in an 8 pound bag.
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Vince, how many weeks out are you and what is your diet looking like? How many carbs are you taking in?
Not many, only take them after training. I just blend up a mix with Milk & Egg Protein, Whey, Crushed Ice, & Hemp Oil, about 160 grams of protein and pour it all in a Thermos. I drink that all during the day, have tuna and spinach for lunch and 2 large steamed chicken breast and veggies for dinner. That along with the recovery shake with carbs gives me about 300 grams of protein a day
Supplements are mainly Amino Acids & Liver Tablets with every meal. At night I take an Amino Acid blend and a Collegan/Aloe Vera drink at night to help with my joints and have more productive sleep
I also train 7 days a week as well right now but its 4 gym workouts and 3 light Total Trainer workouts at home so I have plenty of time to recover . Still plenty of cardio and abs every day. I will switch to split routines 6 times a day starting Sept to finish up. I intend to do more moderate weight training this time and less cardio.
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Not many, only take them after training. I just blend up a mix with Milk & Egg Protein, Whey, Crushed Ice, & Hemp Oil, about 160 grams of protein and pour it all in a Thermos. I drink that all during the day, have tuna and spinach for lunch and 2 large steamed chicken breast and veggies for dinner. That along with the recovery shake with carbs gives me about 300 grams of protein a day
I also train 7 days a week as well right now but its 4 gym workouts and 3 light Total Trainer workouts at home so I have plenty of time to recover . Still plenty of cardio and abs every day. I will switch to split routines 6 times a day starting Sept to finish up. I intend to do more moderate weight training this time and less cardio.
You drink Milk whilst trying to get lean? No wonder you suck.
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Not many, only take them after training. I just blend up a mix with Milk & Egg Protein, Whey, Crushed Ice, & Hemp Oil, about 160 grams of protein and pour it all in a Thermos. I drink that all during the day, have tuna and spinach for lunch and 2 large steamed chicken breast and veggies for dinner. That along with the recovery shake with carbs gives me about 300 grams of protein a day
I also train 7 days a week as well right now but its 4 gym workouts and 3 light Total Trainer workouts at home so I have plenty of time to recover . Still plenty of cardio and abs every day. I will switch to split routines 6 times a day starting Sept to finish up. I intend to do more moderate weight training this time and less cardio.
Your diet is definitely low carb. Has the diet left you very depleted and flat and if so are you going to carb up the last week to fill back out?
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Your diet is definitely low carb. Has the diet left you very depleted and flat and if so are you going to carb up the last week to fill back out?
He's planning on falling asleep rather than carbing up.
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Your diet is definitely low carb. Has the diet left you very depleted and flat and if so are you going to carb up the last week to fill back out?
I won't fill up until that Wednesday before the show. I am pretty flat and depleted but the hemp oil helps keep my sanity as well as an herbal spice tea.
On a side note, some jackass stole my laundry I had washing. It was only some of my whites but my Yu-Yu Hakashu shirt was in there too. Only thing I found was a single pair of drawers on floor near the exit. Oh well, anyone who steals clothes are problably in bad shape. Time for bed
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I won't fill up until that Wednesday before the show. I am pretty flat and depleted but the hemp oil helps keep my sanity as well as an herbal spice tea.
you seem sane. how about some more pics?
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I won't fill up until that Wednesday before the show. I am pretty flat and depleted but the hemp oil helps keep my sanity as well as an herbal spice tea.
On a side note, some jackass stole my laundry I had washing. It was only some of my whites but my Yu-Yu Hakashu shirt was in there too. Only thing I found was a single pair of drawers on floor near the exit. Oh well, anyone who steals clothes are problably in bad shape. Time for bed
What make you decide to use hemp oil instead of flax? I've never heard of using hemp oil. What do you plan to use to carb up with?
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Look, Vince G, it is confusing when you 'contribute' to threads I am in. You were on the money with your comments about Mike so thanks for that. However, the exchange between you and Cheri is Getbig crap and you should know better. Tell you what I am going to do. Come on down to Sydney and train at my gym for a month or two and we will see if we can help you. Someone has got to do something because something just doesn't ring true here. If you are as knowledgeable as you indicate you should be able to demonstrate that ability by forging a great physique and appear in a lineup looking cut and huge. Okay, that isn't easy as you now know, but if that photo is a true likeness of you then I don't know what to say. Gynocomastia is evidence of trying to take shortcuts and I must say there are a lot of guys out there who believe if they take drugs they will get huge. Well, sometimes they don't get the results they imagine. So if you are going to argue from a position of authority then I suggest you win some big show soon. A state title will be sufficient as far as I am concerned. Your exchanges with Cheri reveal that you have descended to her level of discourse and I really expected better from you. I guess you have hung around Getbig long enough to pick up pathetic ways to putdown others on this forum. All that does is reveal a nasty side in you and that affects your integrity and credibility.
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Getbig crap
That phrase would come to you from the Department of Redundancy Department :)
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Vince, could you explain how such a day of training 8-12 hours should look like exactly? Like the famous arm routine, where you do a couple of sets every hour, or training more or less nonstop? what about nutrition intake on that day? anything special?
I am honestly interested in learning and eventually starting this kind of experiment, but i have not enough information how to actually do it. btw i´d love to come to sydney to do it under your guidance, but i live in germany and have not enough time and money to spend a prolonged period of time in australia.
your help is appreciated,
Jan
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I have done four 9hr arm training days (one month apart). and have documented it in Australian Iron man mag. Was a few years back tho.
rest day the day before. a big breakfast at 7am then start a 9am. Finish at five, pack up and go out for a big feed. rest the next day. don't directly train arms for a week. the first time I did this was on a Sunday and was done at a friends house. we chose ez barbell curls and seated cross bench dips. four bi/tri supersets every hour on the hour. 10gms of BCAA's and a protien shake after last superset for that hour is done. We were somewhat carb depleted at the end and arms were like mush. my arms were 17.1 inches after this session pumped up from 16 inches. the second time We had three partispants and did it at my dads house. same exercises on a hot day. 9hrs. i feel asleep during the 4pm to 5pm session and had to be woken up to finish off. :) 16.7 inches before. a smidgeon off 18 inches after. third session had four people and we added a set to failure of close grip push ups on the half hour mark. this was tricky with four of us. so we decided on just thee super sets after the first time around. before measurement was 17.2 after 18.7. (So close to 19 inches)!! Last time was back to two, a different two I started with. I added in a little carb every couple of hours this time because trying too keep up the training for so long without carbs was really making the last few hours a massive struggle (although i guess that is the idea). So the measurements?? before workout a scant 17.4 but cracked 19 in the end.
so after four months I had added an inch and a half cold, but could pump my arms very quickly to over 19. my bodyweight at the time was around 80k at five foot two.
would they have grownth that much anyway? maybe but they have never grown that much since.
maybe it is time to try it again? :)
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We have done that Ironman one day arm routine in the past on two occasions. It was suggested that up to 1/2 inch could be gained that way but no one made any permanent gains. We trained about 15 minutes on the hour and 15 minutes every half hour and did a variety of exercises with the idea of trying to get a maximum pump. The first time we took milk products and vitamins and that was a disaster because we ended up with upset tummies. Not very smart. The second time was better but I think we needed more carbs. It was abandoned as a waste of time and energy. I think I gained something like a 1/4 inch each time but it wasn't permanent.
No, my idea is totally different from that and essentially the idea is to take one effective exercise for biceps and one for triceps and after warming up to alternate between these muscles using the maximum resistance for the duration of the session. I would advise than anyone trying this protocol do so on their own and not feel I endorse it. It is way too easy to get injured and you have to know how to avoid those injuries. For example, do not let the elbows touch any pads in either exercise. Sometimes that means having to modify equipment because most arm machines have pads under the elbows and that is not recommended. If you damage the sheath over the elbows you might get a permanent injury. No ballistic movements should be done and neither is it necessary to do any forced reps. Just do the target reps for as many as you can with that heavy resistance then go do the other exercise. I think you can snack as you go because you will be resting a couple of minutes between sets. It would be advisable to ease into this program and not do all day training off the bat. It probably is not necessary and perhaps an hour is sufficient the first day. I am not sure about frequency but daily would be best if there is not too much pain. The idea is NOT to let the muscles recover. I honestly believe that is the biggest falsehood in bodybuilding and most end up having to cope with the repeated bout effect and this hampers further progress. The strategy is to give the muscle a stimulus for maximum growth from that day and then sustain the stimulus on successive days. It may well turn out that training every 2nd or 3rd day is superior to daily bombardment. This would have to be determined by experiments and not speculation. However, my conjecture is that daily training might lead to maximum hypertrophy growth and if this can be sustained then who knows how much growth is possible in a very short period of time. The amount of time each day is also something that will have to be discovered. I would estimate perhaps 8 hours going by what Bryan Haycock suggests at Hypertrophy Specific Training. Naturally this growth should cause rapid increases in strength and the progression should be steady and marked. It is absolutely crucial that you do the most effective exercises and I can tell you most gyms do not have this equipment.
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If you have the equipment then i'll give it a go.
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Look, Vince G, it is confusing when you 'contribute' to threads I am in. You were on the money with your comments about Mike so thanks for that. However, the exchange between you and Cheri is Getbig crap and you should know better. Tell you what I am going to do. Come on down to Sydney and train at my gym for a month or two and we will see if we can help you. Someone has got to do something because something just doesn't ring true here. If you are as knowledgeable as you indicate you should be able to demonstrate that ability by forging a great physique and appear in a lineup looking cut and huge. Okay, that isn't easy as you now know, but if that photo is a true likeness of you then I don't know what to say. Gynocomastia is evidence of trying to take shortcuts and I must say there are a lot of guys out there who believe if they take drugs they will get huge. Well, sometimes they don't get the results they imagine. So if you are going to argue from a position of authority then I suggest you win some big show soon. A state title will be sufficient as far as I am concerned. Your exchanges with Cheri reveal that you have descended to her level of discourse and I really expected better from you. I guess you have hung around Getbig long enough to pick up pathetic ways to putdown others on this forum. All that does is reveal a nasty side in you and that affects your integrity and credibility.
Hey, you have your way. I have my way.
I don't mind trashing Cheri. Good for keeping up my wrestling promo skills.
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Look, Vince G, it is confusing when you 'contribute' to threads I am in. You were on the money with your comments about Mike so thanks for that. However, the exchange between you and Cheri is Getbig crap and you should know better. Tell you what I am going to do. Come on down to Sydney and train at my gym for a month or two and we will see if we can help you. Someone has got to do something because something just doesn't ring true here. If you are as knowledgeable as you indicate you should be able to demonstrate that ability by forging a great physique and appear in a lineup looking cut and huge. Okay, that isn't easy as you now know, but if that photo is a true likeness of you then I don't know what to say. Gynocomastia is evidence of trying to take shortcuts and I must say there are a lot of guys out there who believe if they take drugs they will get huge. Well, sometimes they don't get the results they imagine. So if you are going to argue from a position of authority then I suggest you win some big show soon. A state title will be sufficient as far as I am concerned. Your exchanges with Cheri reveal that you have descended to her level of discourse and I really expected better from you. I guess you have hung around Getbig long enough to pick up pathetic ways to putdown others on this forum. All that does is reveal a nasty side in you and that affects your integrity and credibility.
Excuse me Mr. Basile, but you know nothing of this idiot (Vince Goodrum). I suggest you research your friends a little better before "inviting" them to your domain. Just because I stood up for Michael who had clearly made his peace with you prior to you pulling a Sybil doesn't make me the bad guy. You may have registered here in 2004, but you sure haven't been around the whole time. ;) As you can see...you offer him advice and he shit all over you.
Vince Goodblast, may have just lost the only person willing to stick up for you. Vince Basile offers you some advice and you blast him with a "Hey, you have your way. I have my way." You're too much! Oh and btw, you ARE one seriously delusional tool if you really think your "sissy ass comments" trashed me. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/blflammia/Gifs/loser.gif)
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Excuse me Mr. Basile, but you know nothing of this idiot (Vince Goodrum). I suggest you research your friends a little better before "inviting" them to your domain. Just because I stood up for Michael who had clearly made his peace with you prior to you pulling a Sybil doesn't make me the bad guy. You may have registered here in 2004, but you sure haven't been around the whole time. ;) As you can see...you offer him advice and he shit all over you.
Vince Goodblast, may have just lost the only person willing to stick up for you. Vince Basile offers you some advice and you blast him with a "Hey, you have your way. I have my way." You're too much! Oh and btw, you ARE one seriously delusional tool if you really think your "sissy ass comments" trashed me.
Cheri Lane, perhaps you and Arvilla are taking this "friends on a board" thing a wee bit too far?
And you're funny when commenting on Basile not following the daily antics of Getbig.
When did that become a prerequisite for replying when some toolbox claims you're a grandfather and works with airplanes?
YIP
Zack
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Awwwwww. I'm sorry your boyfriend doesn't stick up for you. :-\ But there's no need to be jealous. :-*
Monster weak comeback.
On the other hand you do trash Vince G which makes you Cool in my book.
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In this case, I'll have to side Vince on this matter.
Mike you created this post, joked about how big of an old foggy he is and accused him of being a gimmick account when he's been around here for a few years.
Have some respect, bro and please stop bragging about getting third place. The reason I say this is because if I had walked onstage in the same condition I was at the 2004 Metrolina, I would have even walked home with a trophy as well. There was not enough people in your class to be considered "a tough division".
No-one remembers third place, Mike. Do they????
Vince won the Mr Canada...First Place. He can go around and still say he's a Mr Canada even if it was 36 years ago and people would still give him props.
No-one goes around and advertises he took third place in a bodybuilding show.
Third place is same as being the second loser. Sorry!!! Now go win a show and then you'll have room to talk
you fucking Mr hankey looking idiot!~
first you weren't in any "condition" at the Metrolina......you would have gotten no trophy
(you were/are the guy everyone laughs at at every show, who does not belong on stage,no training/no dieting no muscle)
there were 10 plus people in the mens open heavyweight class, which got whittled to the top 5,after third place no trophy)
Florida NPC shows are among the toughest in the country
(only way you would get a trophy would be to buy one!)
you are the worst excuse for a bodybuilder i have ever seen
you are humiliated and degraded every day yet you still come back for more
YOU ARE THE INTERNET PUNCHING BAG..................... .....you are not worthy to speak my name
have a nice day! :D
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We have done that Ironman one day arm routine in the past on two occasions. It was suggested that up to 1/2 inch could be gained that way but no one made any permanent gains. We trained about 15 minutes on the hour and 15 minutes every half hour and did a variety of exercises with the idea of trying to get a maximum pump. The first time we took milk products and vitamins and that was a disaster because we ended up with upset tummies. Not very smart. The second time was better but I think we needed more carbs. It was abandoned as a waste of time and energy. I think I gained something like a 1/4 inch each time but it wasn't permanent.
No, my idea is totally different from that and essentially the idea is to take one effective exercise for biceps and one for triceps and after warming up to alternate between these muscles using the maximum resistance for the duration of the session. I would advise than anyone trying this protocol do so on their own and not feel I endorse it. It is way too easy to get injured and you have to know how to avoid those injuries. For example, do not let the elbows touch any pads in either exercise. Sometimes that means having to modify equipment because most arm machines have pads under the elbows and that is not recommended. If you damage the sheath over the elbows you might get a permanent injury. No ballistic movements should be done and neither is it necessary to do any forced reps. Just do the target reps for as many as you can with that heavy resistance then go do the other exercise. I think you can snack as you go because you will be resting a couple of minutes between sets. It would be advisable to ease into this program and not do all day training off the bat. It probably is not necessary and perhaps an hour is sufficient the first day. I am not sure about frequency but daily would be best if there is not too much pain. The idea is NOT to let the muscles recover. I honestly believe that is the biggest falsehood in bodybuilding and most end up having to cope with the repeated bout effect and this hampers further progress. The strategy is to give the muscle a stimulus for maximum growth from that day and then sustain the stimulus on successive days. It may well turn out that training every 2nd or 3rd day is superior to daily bombardment. This would have to be determined by experiments and not speculation. However, my conjecture is that daily training might lead to maximum hypertrophy growth and if this can be sustained then who knows how much growth is possible in a very short period of time. The amount of time each day is also something that will have to be discovered. I would estimate perhaps 8 hours going by what Bryan Haycock suggests at Hypertrophy Specific Training. Naturally this growth should cause rapid increases in strength and the progression should be steady and marked. It is absolutely crucial that you do the most effective exercises and I can tell you most gyms do not have this equipment.
This is the worst training advice I have seen in a long time.
Yes, there is a time when purposeful overtraining can be used for brief periods to one's advantage but what you are suggesting is just stupid.
For anyone even considering such a protocol DON'T DO IT!!! You will not get bigger and stronger but rather the contrary will occur.
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Not many, only take them after training. I just blend up a mix with Milk & Egg Protein, Whey, Crushed Ice, & Hemp Oil, about 160 grams of protein and pour it all in a Thermos. I drink that all during the day, have tuna and spinach for lunch and 2 large steamed chicken breast and veggies for dinner. That along with the recovery shake with carbs gives me about 300 grams of protein a day
Supplements are mainly Amino Acids & Liver Tablets with every meal. At night I take an Amino Acid blend and a Collegan/Aloe Vera drink at night to help with my joints and have more productive sleep
I also train 7 days a week as well right now but its 4 gym workouts and 3 light Total Trainer workouts at home so I have plenty of time to recover . Still plenty of cardio and abs every day. I will switch to split routines 6 times a day starting Sept to finish up. I intend to do more moderate weight training this time and less cardio.
hahahahaha, you suck.
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Cheri Lane, perhaps you and Arvilla are taking this "friends on a board" thing a wee bit too far?
And you're funny when commenting on Basile not following the daily antics of Getbig.
When did that become a prerequisite for replying when some toolbox claims you're a grandfather and works with airplanes?
YIP
Zack
Ya, you're right. I guess it's normal to invite getbig members that you don't know to come and train with you ::)
And I guess it's normal to jump onto threads mid-stream and offer information without actually following the thread from the begining.
Oh and I guess it's not normal to Google someone's name (who says they won Mr. Canada) to check them out and see if they have a site or something, but find only information about a pilot with the same name and suspect they could be a fraud.
Come on Hedge...we used to be such good friends :) What happened to you?
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Vince Goodrun and Vince Basile.................. .what a great fucking thread!
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Ya, you're right. I guess it's normal to invite getbig members that you don't know to come and train with you ::)
And I guess it's normal to jump onto threads mid-stream and offer information without actually following the thread from the begining.
Oh and I guess it's not normal to Google someone's name (who says they won Mr. Canada) to check them out and see if they have a site or something, but find only information about a pilot with the same name and suspect they could be a fraud.
Come on Hedge...we used to be such good friends :) What happened to you?
Probably has had the same reaction as a lot of others reading this thread. Vince has been on this board for a long time and his input, from a historical perspective, on various topics is beyond question -ie. he knew or knows a lot of the significant people in bb, and weird training advocacy aside, offers a lot to this board. I certainly like reading what he has to say and search out his byline over most on this forum. A cursory search, or just lurking for a week or so would convince anyone of the veracity of his account (so would just simply looking at his profile!) so for someone to question it is/was (for whatever reason) just being disingenuous. And the continued knee-jerk defence of having made such a 'mistake' just rings hollow, and makes for cringe-worthy reading.
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Probably has had the same reaction as a lot of others reading this thread. Vince has been on this board for a long time and his input, from a historical perspective, on various topics is beyond question -ie. he knew or knows a lot of the significant people in bb, and weird training advocacy aside, offers a lot to this board. I certainly like reading what he has to say and search out his byline over most on this forum. A cursory search, or just lurking for a week or so would convince anyone of the veracity of his account (so would just simply looking at his profile!) so for someone to question it is/was (for whatever reason) just being disingenuous. And the continued knee-jerk defence of having made such a 'mistake' just rings hollow, and makes for cringe-worthy reading.
wow...............what big words you have son!
fair enough then.................... both "Vinces" are tools
how is that for non-verbose honesty?
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Probably has had the same reaction as a lot of others reading this thread. Vince has been on this board for a long time and his input, from a historical perspective, on various topics is beyond question -ie. he knew or knows a lot of the significant people in bb, and weird training advocacy aside, offers a lot to this board. I certainly like reading what he has to say and search out his byline over most on this forum. A cursory search, or just lurking for a week or so would convince anyone of the veracity of his account (so would just simply looking at his profile!) so for someone to question it is/was (for whatever reason) just being disingenuous. And the continued knee-jerk defence of having made such a 'mistake' just rings hollow, and makes for cringe-worthy reading.
You misconstrued what I am saying here Dr. Chimps. Firstly the continued defence is due to part of individuals coming into the thread and not reading through to find that it was a mistake on Arvilla's behalf, for thinking Basile was a gimmick. Michael owned up to it and apologized to Basile. Basile accepted and then later went back on the "group" band wagon slinging crap back at Michael. Does he care? No, he really doesn't. Do I care? Actually, yes I do. Because if he is as "refined" as everyone thinks or wants to think, he would have just ended the whole thing after Michael's apology and not carried on in such a matter as to challenge him in a "largest arm" contest (of which he has done before according to others and then backed out of).
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wow...............what big words you have son!
fair enough then.................... both "Vinces" are tools
how is that for non-verbose honesty?
He's a doctor hun. They use big words.
But I would leave Basile alone now. You made a mistake, you appologized and he accepted. Just leave it at that. ;)
You can still make fun of Goodslum though. ;D
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this shit-throw is still goin'? :o
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He's a doctor hun. They use big words.
But I would leave Basile alone now. You made a mistake, you appologized and he accepted. Just leave it at that. ;)
You can still make fun of Goodslum though. ;D
okie................fair enough!
(i been dying to make fun of ole Vince G but have refrained because i felt bad for him)
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Well, I've been busy but it looks like Cheri and Mike have been blabbering off since early morning.
Arvilla, I applauded your 3rd place orginally if you recall, but I had to bring you back down to Earth ever since you've been bragging about it left and right and insulting people. Learn some humility, respect your elders, and please put back the website the way 240 designed it, it now looks like crap and its very annoying hearing that music in the background on every page you go to. You spent 300 dollars on that site, why mess with a good thing.
Cheri, you basically jumped in when I relayed the same thing to Arvilla. I never said anything to you at first. As far as you defending me....please. I don't need another ho in the stable.
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Both of you started this stupid thread trashing Basile so don't go try to make excuses for bad behavior. I'm going back to work because I have more important things to do
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Well, I've been busy but it looks like Cheri and Mike have been blabbering off since early morning.
Arvilla, I applauded your 3rd place orginally if you recall, but I had to bring you back down to Earth ever since you've been bragging about it left and right and insulting people. Learn some humility, respect your elders, and please put back the website the way 240 designed it, it now looks like crap and its very annoying hearing that music in the background on every page you go to. You spent 300 dollars on that site, why mess with a good thing.
Cheri, you basically jumped in when I relayed the same thing to Arvilla. I never said anything to you at first. As far as you defending me....please. I don't need another ho in the stable.
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Both of you started this stupid thread trashing Basile so don't go try to make excuses for bad behavior. I'm going back to work because I have more important things to do
humilty is overated
i am an "elder"
and i get props on the website all the time
(you don't like it stop going to it!)
i originally thought the "im not fat" pictures were a joke ,that they were in fact old 1994 Metrolina pictures,
and that you would bust out with the real "new pics" showing a much improved ,ripped up,full of hard dense muscle
Vince G
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOu been doing for the last 3 years?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
you look no different
have you been in a coma??????????????????
in suspended isolation??!??!
you have been training and dieting for 3 years yet you look no different
and you want to give others advice?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
time to trade in your magic stick and take up golf.................... Mike
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Here is offseason Vince..................
no bee pollen
no magic stix
no gyno
no hairy bush hanging outta my shorts
Melvin.................. ............
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humilty is overated
i am an "elder"
and i get props on the website all the time
(you don't like it stop going to it!)
i originally thought the "im not fat" pictures were a joke ,that they were in fact old 1994 Metrolina pictures,
and that you would bust out with the real "new pics" showing a much improved ,ripped up,full of hard dense muscle
Vince G
WHAT THE f**k HAVE YOu been doing for the last 3 years?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
you look no different
have you been in a coma??????????????????
in suspended isolation??!??!
you have been training and dieting for 3 years yet you look no different
and you want to give others advice?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
time to trade in your magic stick and take up golf.................... Mike
Well, for the past 29 years I've had respect for my elders. And Basile is your elder. Disagreeing is one thing but hurling insults and putting up pictures is another thing.
And if you want a piece of me, you can come to any show I'm competing in and get on-stage. But don't be surprised as to want happens. All those pictures are me as a natural competitor. Won't be the same this time
BTW, Mike. Only people from Getbig give you props. A business website needs to be professional and clean. Yours isn't and its most likely turning away potential business
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Well, for the past 29 years I've had respect for my elders. And Basile is your elder. Disagreeing is one thing but hurling insults and putting up pictures is another thing.
And if you want a piece of me, you can come to any show I'm competing in and get on-stage. But don't be surprised as to want happens. All those pictures are me as a natural competitor. Won't be the same this time
BTW, Mike. Only people from Getbig give you props. A business website needs to be professional and clean. Yours isn't and its most likely turning away potential business
piece of you BLA HAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH hahahahahahahah!!
i have gotten props on the website at BB shows and in the gym
here vince take a piece of this ............ :-*
(fyi in all modesty you couldn't carry my gym bag)
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ill take a "piece" of you
this "piece" ;)
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piece of you BLA HAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH hahahahahahahah!!
i have gotten props on the website at BB shows and in the gym
here vince take a piece of this ............ :-*
(fyi in all modesty you couldn't carry my gym bag)
Monster chest
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People take this place too seriously sometimes.
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People take this place too seriously sometimes.
Ya they do. ;D
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I love GET-BIG!
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Here is offseason Vince..................
no bee pollen
no magic stix
no gyno
no hairy bush hanging outta my shorts
Melvin.................. ............
Bro, with all the steroids you taken, its actually not impressive.
Now the pictures I've shown....all natural, offseason, no pump, and no oil or hot stuff. In my top condition, I would toss you off-stage on your sweet ear. But if you think you can beat me then come on down to the Mountaineer and get you some.
The Mountaineer would give a true taste of what a REAL NPC BODYBUILDING SHOW is. You'll be going against some real alpha males
As far as credentials are concerned, you are not anywhere on the radar compared to me. All you have is an ISSA personal training certification and a once great looking website gone to skid row.
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Bro, with all the steroids you taken, its actually not impressive.
Now the pictures I've shown....all natural, offseason, no pump, and no oil or hot stuff. In my top condition, I would toss you off-stage on your sweet ear. But if you think you can beat me then come on down to the Mountaineer and get you some.
The Mountaineer would give a true taste of what a REAL NPC BODYBUILDING SHOW is. You'll be going against some real alpha males
As far as credentials are concerned, you are not anywhere on the radar compared to me. All you have is an ISSA personal training certification and a once great looking website gone to skid row.
True dat Vince but why do the Mountaineer when it ain't even a NPC National qualifier? Even if you win, you don't get a ticket to the USAs/Nationals next year! ???
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Now the pictures I've shown....all natural, offseason, no pump, and no oil or hot stuff. In my top condition, I would toss you off-stage on your sweet ear. But if you think you can beat me then come on down to the Mountaineer and get you some.
Monster Gimmick account
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True dat Vince but why do the Mountaineer when it ain't even a NPC National qualifier? Even if you win, you don't get a ticket to the USAs/Nationals next year! ???
The Mountaineer is definitely is a national qualifier unless they changed it this year
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The Mountaineer is definitely is a national qualifier unless they changed it this year
I checked the NPC schedule on their official site (the schedule is in Adobe Acrobat format), and the Mountaineer isn't even listed there, let alone as a National Qualifier, unless it goes by another name on the official calendar...
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What make you decide to use hemp oil instead of flax? I've never heard of using hemp oil. What do you plan to use to carb up with?
Hemp Oil gives my protein shakes a nutty flavor and makes it taste much better. Its also higher in Omega 3's but my main purpose is simply taste. Try it in place of flax and you'll notice a big difference
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Hemp Oil gives my protein shakes a nutty flavor and makes it taste much better. Its also higher in Omega 3's but my main purpose is simply taste. Try it in place of flax and you'll notice a big difference
What is the cost of hemp as compared to flax?
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What is the cost of hemp as compared to flax?
Haha, can't be anymore than the price of bee pollen... ;)
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I checked the NPC schedule on their official site (the schedule is in Adobe Acrobat format), and the Mountaineer isn't even listed there, let alone as a National Qualifier, unless it goes by another name on the official calendar...
Not all qualifiers are on the PDF sheet.
The ad is on this site for the Mountaineer http://morrisonproductions.net/
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Here is offseason Vince..................
no bee pollen
no magic stix
no gyno
no hairy bush hanging outta my shorts
Melvin.................. ............
Monster lats. ;D
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Probably has had the same reaction as a lot of others reading this thread. Vince has been on this board for a long time and his input, from a historical perspective, on various topics is beyond question -ie. he knew or knows a lot of the significant people in bb, and weird training advocacy aside, offers a lot to this board. I certainly like reading what he has to say and search out his byline over most on this forum. A cursory search, or just lurking for a week or so would convince anyone of the veracity of his account (so would just simply looking at his profile!) so for someone to question it is/was (for whatever reason) just being disingenuous. And the continued knee-jerk defence of having made such a 'mistake' just rings hollow, and makes for cringe-worthy reading.
Vince's history threads are awesome. Like how Arnold ate dinner at his house and was impolite. How Paul Graham and Arnold conspired to screw Vince over as a joke and lots of other stuff that should be in a book!
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Well, for the past 29 years I've had respect for my elders. And Basile is your elder. Disagreeing is one thing but hurling insults and putting up pictures is another thing.
Vince, respecting your elders is more of a southern tradition than it is for people from up north.
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I think this thread has gone down the toilet. I agree with VG about the music on Mike's site. Is Cheri like this in the gym? I think more people should train longer in the gym instead of flexing online.
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I think this thread has gone down the toilet. I agree with VG about the music on Mike's site. Is Cheri like this in the gym? I think more people should train longer in the gym instead of flexing online.
And the sack, lucky Mike
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piece of you BLA HAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH hahahahahahahah!!
i have gotten props on the website at BB shows and in the gym
here vince take a piece of this ............ :-*
(fyi in all modesty you couldn't carry my gym bag)
I'm pretty certain that Goodrum in his current form will equal or beat that.
No offence, you look good mang.
And funny with the gym bag thrash talk comment.
YIP
Zack
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Oil gives my protein shakes a nutty flavor
I bet you like that
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Vince G should throw away all his potions except a multi vit/min and start EATING right to get into shape.
1. small meals
2. frequent meals - 3 hours apart - 5-6 per day no snacking
3. balanced meals - one serve each of a protein (low fat), Carb (unrefined) & Fibrous (salad/vegetables)
4. Plenty of H20
300 grams of protein per day is crazy for the level of lean tissue he is carrying - it is just turning to fat
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Vince G should throw away all his potions except a multi vit/min and start EATING right to get into shape.
1. small meals
2. frequent meals - 3 hours apart - 5-6 per day no snacking
3. balanced meals - one serve each of a protein (low fat), Carb (unrefined) & Fibrous (salad/vegetables)
4. Plenty of H20
300 grams of protein per day is crazy for the level of lean tissue he is carrying - it is just turning to fat
I think he looks great. I wish he would post more pics.
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I think this thread has gone down the toilet. I agree with VG about the music on Mike's site. Is Cheri like this in the gym? I think more people should train longer in the gym instead of flexing online.
Excuse me Mr. Basile, but what exactly are you doing in your Avatar??
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And the sack, lucky Mike
I think I know you. ;)
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...Vince, I read the first 2 pages where Arvilla looked to diss but finally showed props. I stopped reading after that, but I saw your pics from back in the day...which leads me to ask...
How much crank did you use? I mean that in all honesty...certainly by the seventies title holders were using steroids. I know your stance on the drugs, and if you didn't use any so be it.
If not, we have a great pic of what a drug free bodybuilder with good genetics can hope to achieve. If not, then perhaps you could tell us a bit about what drugs were required to achieve that build.
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...Vince, I read the first 2 pages where Arvilla looked to diss but finally showed props. I stopped reading after that, but I saw your pics from back in the day...which leads me to ask...
How much crank did you use? I mean that in all honesty...certainly by the seventies title holders were using steroids. I know your stance on the drugs, and if you didn't use any so be it.
If not, we have a great pic of what a drug free bodybuilder with good genetics can hope to achieve. If not, then perhaps you could tell us a bit about what drugs were required to achieve that build.
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Yeah this should be intresting, seeing how he goes back on a already accepted apology from Arvilla I bet there was some strong "stuff" in those days.
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I used two Dianabol tablets a day for 3 months before the Mr Canada contest. I doubt I could have won that year without them. The change wasn't marked but I ended up with 17 1/4 cold arms and calves for that contest and could pump them up at least an inch. I tried Dianabol in 1975 before the Mr Australia. That was for a few months prior to the show. I tried Dianabol again in 1977 for a short time (2 tablets per day) and got a bit stronger but not much bigger. I wasn't interested in using Deca or anything else. I was drug free from January 1959 until March 1970. I wish I could say I never used anything but that would be a lie. I never got any side effects which was good but I have no need to use them anymore. I trained my arms and calves hard for a month when I was 58 and put an inch on my arms and calves in that month and got both measurements over 18 inches cold. I now know I can get much bigger than I did in the past and drug and supplement free. I honestly wonder if anyone has won a major contest since 1970 clean. Guys were using in the 1960s but I considered it cheating. In those days there was no testing or rules against them and to tell the truth most of us were a bit afraid of side effects and possible cancers to even consider using them. Guys like Arnold denied using them until many years later. Those who did know about the anabolics kept that information in their inner circle so it was difficult finding any information about them. Look at what that small beginning has led to. I doubt any Mr Olympia was drug free. I haven't heard any claim that they were. We didn't see gynocomastia in the champions until much later. It was commonplace after Haney's reign as Mr Olympia. I still believe that bodybuilding would be more acceptable if there were no drugs allowed or used. There is no way I would even use or endorse what I read some of the top pros are using today to compete.
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I think this thread has gone down the toilet. I agree with VG about the music on Mike's site. Is Cheri like this in the gym? I think more people should train longer in the gym instead of flexing online.
hahaha, ok Vince, i'll bet you're the type of guy who drives down the road wearing a NPC string tank top, daisy dukes, thick socks and unscuffed construction boots and sees a big trailer being driven down the road with a truck in front of it saying OVERSIZED LOAD and you pull up next to the truck and yell "i see your sign says OVERSIZED LOAD well why don't you pull over and whip out that snake and prove it stud!!" hahahahaha, what a penis puffer.
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Haha yes that's exactly the type i was striking Vince for.
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I used two Dianabol tablets a day for 3 months before the Mr Canada contest. I doubt I could have won that year without them. The change wasn't marked but I ended up with 17 1/4 cold arms and calves for that contest and could pump them up at least an inch. I tried Dianabol in 1975 before the Mr Australia. That was for a few months prior to the show. I tried Dianabol again in 1977 for a short time (2 tablets per day) and got a bit stronger but not much bigger. I wasn't interested in using Deca or anything else. I was drug free from January 1959 until March 1970. I wish I could say I never used anything but that would be a lie. I never got any side effects which was good but I have no need to use them anymore. I trained my arms and calves hard for a month when I was 58 and put an inch on my arms and calves in that month and got both measurements over 18 inches cold. I now know I can get much bigger than I did in the past and drug and supplement free. I honestly wonder if anyone has won a major contest since 1970 clean. Guys were using in the 1960s but I considered it cheating. In those days there was no testing or rules against them and to tell the truth most of us were a bit afraid of side effects and possible cancers to even consider using them. Guys like Arnold denied using them until many years later. Those who did know about the anabolics kept that information in their inner circle so it was difficult finding any information about them. Look at what that small beginning has led to. I doubt any Mr Olympia was drug free. I haven't heard any claim that they were. We didn't see gynocomastia in the champions until much later. It was commonplace after Haney's reign as Mr Olympia. I still believe that bodybuilding would be more acceptable if there were no drugs allowed or used. There is no way I would even use or endorse what I read some of the top pros are using today to compete.
Vince,,, they do have bodybuilding contests for Natural Athletes.....those are the shows that nobody goes to.
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hahaha, ok Vince, i'll bet you're the type of guy who drives down the road wearing a NPC string tank top, daisy dukes, thick socks and unscuffed construction boots and sees a big trailer being driven down the road with a truck in front of it saying OVERSIZED LOAD and you pull up next to the truck and yell "i see your sign says OVERSIZED LOAD well why don't you pull over and whip out that snake and prove it stud!!" hahahahaha, what a penis puffer.
and then adds...."Hey...I bet you my gym that I can Pinch more than you".
Is that true Vince the "Pinch"?
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Thanks for the candid answer Vince.
But by tinkering around with Dianabol, why didn't you move on to other types? Even though the info on them was tough to come by, I'm sure you could have had them prescribed just like everybody else in those days.
As far as side effects go, I had a buddy who did some Dbols, much like you did....but Dbols alone do not a cycle make. He did end up with sides, mainly hair loss and water bloat.
Vince, as you can see, drugs have been around since YOU won your titles, and that's saying something. So how can you expect anybody to think that the 'sport' today would be more accepted and so on without them? Anyone can see how today's freaks are NO way going to be public heroes, but what I'm trying to say is that this 'golden age' of bodybuilding that you and others tell us about seems like it never was. Mainly due to the fact that drugs have ALWAYS been a factor in pro bodybuilding, at least what we're used to seeing today.
It's like people talking bout the good ol' days...fact is, there WERE no good ol' days and you know it. Sure it might have been a different playing field and set of rules for bodybuilding, and that's what we should fight for, but I truly don't think that taking drugs out of the equation and going to compete naturally will do pro bb'ing any better.
I've seen some pretty well developed swimmers lately who don't even lift weights and look about on par with the 'natural' bodybuilders I've seen...mind you they don't shave and tan and oil up in posing trunks but you get my point.
If the general public can't handle the way the sport is today, then maybe you should seek to change your gym to a pool...people will get healthy (much like natural bodybuilding) and they'll have a physique that many people today seem to find appealing. Because competitive bodybuilding is a lost cause for you, and the message is lost...not because your message isn't clear, but because the message stems from a lie in itself: the ONLY time bodybuilding didn't have drugs was the time of Reeves and a few others....a time SO long ago that NOBODY today growing up will be able to relate to it. It just seems like you're pissing in the wind with your stories...not that I mind hearing them, I'm a big bodybuilding fan obviously, with respect (but common sense) regarding the golden fleece we know as "the golden age" of bodybuilding.
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Im just kidding!
Vince looks great for his age
you serious? :)
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The rules for bodybuilding have changed over the years just as they have for other sports. 35 years ago they did not test for steroids in most sports. What has happened since those days is that Olympic sports do require testing but many sports such as bodybuilding do not. I exclude the natural contests here. The IFBB is against doping but do not test at the professional level. The result is rampant drug use and a dangerous playing field for anyone who wants to be Mr Olympia. Those of us who did use some drugs in the past did so with some guilt and have regrets. However, it is probably true that if we did not use we would not have won those titles and others who were using would have won. There was very little information in the scientific literature about steroids so it was foolhardy to experiment with dangerous protocols. There are some bodybuilders who do not like to take anything via injections. In the 1970s various drugs were used by the champions and perhaps they shared information with each other re doses and frequency. There were also some medical people involved prescribing those drugs to bodybuilders. Using those drugs has always been a clandestine activity and most users keep their activity private.
It is clear to me that all drugs should be banned and we should be doing more research to find out more effective and safe ways to augment the hypertrophy process. Surely enough top bodybuilders have died at young ages to suggest those drugs are not safe. If the IFBB has rules and do not enforce those rules then what message does that send to everyone?
Those who want to get bigger muscles can do so naturally and that is what everyone should continue to do. If you have to use dangerous levels of substances to achieve a title then those titles have little meaning. The public feel, rightly, that professional bodybuilders cheat and therefore they do not respect the achievements because they attribute some of the success to drugs and not training.
I suppose it is not only bodybuilding that has this problem. We are finding high profile athletes in many sports testing positive for drugs. We wonder how many do not get caught or use agents to mask usage.
If obvious side effects such as gynocomastia are pronounced and almost universal in male bodybuilders what does that do for the sport? I honestly believe things have gone too far and an unhealthy mindset is present. It is lunacy to think that those drug protocols are not doing damage to the body. No trophy is worth taking that risk. I also acknowledge that the danger of some steroids has been overstated and we really need some perspective and intelligence back in this sport. If we look at what has happened to the female bodybuilders we have to shake our heads because that is not something that many would approve of.
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It is clear to me that all drugs should be banned and we should be doing more research to find out more effective and safe ways to augment the hypertrophy process.
Here's the cold hard facts: there is NOTHING new under the sun as far as training and diet that will make a big difference in the development of a bodybuilder. So unless you mean we should research for safe DRUGS your comment makes no sense. But I know you think there is some esoteric way to train that will make a radical difference but it's ridiculous - we KNOW what makes a muscle grow as far as diet and training. It doesn't really need to be researched any more.
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The biggest difference from today and yesteryear are the drugs. Mainly the GH. We actually trained harder back in the 70's and 80's cause it had to be done. The results weren't as easy to get as they are today with the superior drugs.
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I know we all make conjectures about what contributes to muscle growth. That is not the same as having scientific proof. We may be right in our conjectures, partly right, or wrong. I doubt most of us believe we are mistaken about our beliefs.
The research into muscles is revealing more every month. However, I still haven't seen much relevant maximum hypertrophy research that would help bodybuilders.
If scientists can come up with a safe hormone I imagine it would be used like people take vitamins.
It is my belief that not all protocols have been tried in bodybuilding. I have made statements about soreness that are not at all what the literature reveals. It seems to me that some things have not been explored as far as maximizing hypertrophy goes. The drug culture is so pervasive that no one knows what is responsible for growth anymore. It is interesting that Mr Olympia seems to be stronger than the others.
I agree with Keith about what most will do when it comes to bodybuilding and shortcuts seem to be the rule rather than the exception. What we need is for one person to come along and demonstrate the superiority of being huge without any drug use. It should be obvious by the lack of side effects and a different look to the body. The drug use is so far outside science that studies on humans using those dangerous protocols cannot occur because they would be rejected by ethics boards in universities. No one could afford the litigation of anyone who got ill from an experiment using high levels of drugs. I guess we will never know the contribution of training and drugs to growth. Reason and sense have disappeared from professional bodybuilding as evidenced by this thread where the people's choice confirms that no one is doing anything about those drugs.
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I know we all make conjectures about what contributes to muscle growth. That is not the same as having scientific proof. We may be right in our conjectures, partly right, or wrong. I doubt most of us believe we are mistaken about our beliefs.
The research into muscles is revealing more every month. However, I still haven't seen much relevant maximum hypertrophy research that would help bodybuilders.
It is my belief that not all protocols have been tried in bodybuilding. I have made statements about soreness that are not at all what the literature reveals. It seems to me that some things have not been explored as far as maximizing hypertrophy goes. The drug culture is so pervasive that no one knows what is responsible for growth anymore. It is interesting that Mr Olympia seems to be stronger than the others.
All that is left to learn about weight training for hypertrophy is minutiae. It will not change how we train fundamentally. There are only so many ways you can lift a dumbell or barbell, it has all been tried before. Additional knowledge about the mechanisms that induce hypertrophy (minutiae at most) will not change the approximate levels of muscularity that can be achieved by a drug free lifter.
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Van Bilderass. Your statements sound reasonable but are probably false. The technology of hypertrophy has a long way to go. The scientists are not interested in maximum human hypertrophy so have no clue about what that involves. They can extrapolate from animal experiments but that is not solid science and the conclusions for humans might not be valid.
What I see in my gym is most people wasting their time and staying the same. Oh, they would insist they know what they are doing and are training hard. They are not growing, or are growing imperceptively. I think it is possible to grow rapidly and continuously. No drugs are required. Of course if some actually believe this is not possible then they will hardly be looking for ways to achieve such growth.
You are right about one thing. Most people train ineffectively and inefficiently.
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Van Bilderass. Your statements sound reasonable but are probably false. The technology of hypertrophy has a long way to go. The scientists are not interested in maximum human hypertrophy so have no clue about what that involves. They can extrapolate from animal experiments but that is not solid science and the conclusions for humans might not be valid.
What I see in my gym is most people wasting their time and staying the same. Oh, they would insist they know what they are doing and are training hard. They are not growing, or are growing imperceptively. I think it is possible to grow rapidly and continuously. No drugs are required. Of course if some actually believe this is not possible then they will hardly be looking for ways to achieve such growth.
You are right about one thing. Most people train ineffectively and inefficiently.
and you do know how to grow and get huge? if that's the case why aren't you big and ripped?
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Van Bilderass. Your statements sound reasonable but are probably false. The technology of hypertrophy has a long way to go. The scientists are not interested in maximum human hypertrophy so have no clue about what that involves. They can extrapolate from animal experiments but that is not solid science and the conclusions for humans might not be valid.
You are right about one thing. Most people train ineffectively and inefficiently.
You've mentioned this several times, Vince. I believe you. And here's a question in return. Why should they? Except, perhaps, in cases involving,muscular dystrophy or other 'medical' instances why should scientists waste their time, lab resources, their reputations so that gym rats like ourselves can build bigger muscles? It just seems that with so many real problems facing us these days, finding ways to 'maxim[ize]mum human hypertrophy' should not be one of them. Maybe you can explain a bit further.
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You've mentioned this several times, Vince. I believe you. And here's a question in return. Why should they? Except, perhaps, in cases involving,muscular dystrophy or other 'medical' instances why should scientists waste their time, lab resources, their reputations so that gym rats like ourselves can build bigger muscles? It just seems that with so many real problems facing us these days, finding ways to 'maxim[ize]mum human hypertrophy' should not be one of them. Maybe you can explain a bit further.
Great post Dr. As much as I'd like the science community to find the best way for us to develop 20 inch arms, I'd much rather they devote themselves to finding a cure for cancer first. We sometimes forget how insignificant bodybuilding truly is in the grand scheme.
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It is very important for everyone that the hypertrophy process is fully understood by science. If it were then everyone would benefit and that includes all athletes, fat people, old people, women. All growth in the body should be fully understood. I am aware of an academic bias against bodybuilders because I have been to several universities. The fact that few scientists are interested in maximum hypertrophy doesn't mean it is not important. We need to know what goes on in the body that sustains hypertrophy. We need to know if hyperplasia occurs. When we can comprehend what is going on we can control it. Controlling hypertrophy by enthusiasts is called bodybuilding. At the moment we lack knowledge and what happens is the knuckleheads are experimenting with all manner of drugs to leapfrog the growth process. We need to find the 'aspirin' of hypertrophy and no longer try the reckless stacking protocols we hear about in this sport.
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Anyone who claims they beat drugs and then sticks a syringe in their butt is a fool.
I'm shocked at how many fans of steroids there are on this site. I guess I shouldn't be considering that the "sport" is based on drug use. If drugs were eliminated the sport would cease to exist. The magazines would fold. The supplement companies using roided up bodybuilders in their ads would suffer major losses. I'm sure some will counter that all sports use drugs. This isn't true. Pro bodybuilding is 100% drug use.
Bodybuilding drugs affects the mind as much as the body. When you're on the juice you feel confident,aggressive and have a feeling of well being. When you're off cycle as the drugs leave your system you feel nervous,meek,and depressed. Using steroids,GH, insulin, LH hormone,diuretics,speed,anti estrogens;hcg,oil injection and who knows what else is madness to pose in your underwear. They are a risk to health.
They also affects the heart. Heart disease is the number one killer in the world. The heart is the most important muscle. If the heart muscle was located outside the body bodybuilders would train it like mad. Steroids increase blood pressure. They change ratios of HDL and LDL for the worse. The quickly added bodyweight is a strain on the heart much like being obese is. Diuretics can stop your heart quickly as it depletes potassium. Your liver enzymes go up as it cleans and processes the drugs out of your system. How many kidney problems have we seen with pro bodybuilders? Could all the stomach/digestive conditions be a result of GH? How many young roid users have enlarged prostates from all the androgens?
This subculture of a sport does attract a lot of insecure young men. I would hate to see them being given pharmaceutical advice from a steroid dealer who probably delivered pizzas prior to his drug dealing job. Will every one who uses steroids develop health problems? The obvious answer is no and the same can be said for heroin users.
Steroid users think the public is in awe of them. The fact is that they are laughing at them. I was on the beach when a roided up guy went by and the family on the blanket next to me made horse sounds. The implication is clear. They were implying that he didn't earn those muscles.
I'm sure many of you think that I'm not a fan of bodybuilding. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been lifting for over 30 years. I have seen steroid users quit after cycling on and off 10 years. They quit due financial,health or legal reasons. Then they usually quit lifting because it seems like a waste of time off the juice. Training natural has so many benefits it would take to many words to put in this post. One thing is for sure is that if you train natural don't ever compare yourself to the drug user on the bench next you. You should never let a drug user feel superior to you. Sooner or later he has to come off the juice and then you can compare.
Is steroids like using heroin or cocaine. That's for the user to decide. I say it's the same mind set. The same addiction.
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This maybe true it may not, nobody cares the only people it effects are the family of the users.While you have some call themselves Guru and say never use synthol after they do. Makes you wonder how smart any of these people are,but it's choice no one is forced to gear up.IMO.
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Miss Karen, it is a fine line to walk being a competitive bodybuilder. Most of us have not achieved the results we wanted. What do we do when that happens and further training seems unlikely to produce what we seek? Many people give in and try the alternatives. This is human nature. I have seen young guys compete and lose against steroid users. Those young men gave up the sport and what a pity that was. I guess they did the right thing in a way but those guys had nice physiques. When you are not 'rewarded' for your physique it can be disappointing. I have always believed that bodybuilding was more about transcendence than anything else. This is especially true when we look at the titles the bodybuilders competed for. Mr Universe! Can there be a higher title? Nope. Joe has his Mr Olympia but in a way Mr Universe is a higher title. We all want to transcend our average selves and be a title holder. Athletes do that, too, and aim to be the Olympic champion or World champion and so on. With rewards this high is it any wonder that some elect to try 'dangerous' substances to gain an advantage or at least be on a level playing field with the other competitors? I agree that the mindset is foolish and what a pity that bodybuilding organizations do little to reverse the present unhealthy playing field.
To Old Timer. I would guess that drug free bodybuilding is possible and that we can compete with drug users and perhaps defeat them because those side effects would be absent. Can anyone imagine what a Steve Reeves could look like if he was a young man today and had access to the best gyms and nutrition?
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It is very important for everyone that the hypertrophy process is fully understood by science. If it were then everyone would benefit and that includes all athletes, fat people, old people, women. All growth in the body should be fully understood. I am aware of an academic bias against bodybuilders because I have been to several universities. The fact that few scientists are interested in maximum hypertrophy doesn't mean it is not important. We need to know what goes on in the body that sustains hypertrophy. We need to know if hyperplasia occurs. When we can comprehend what is going on we can control it. Controlling hypertrophy by enthusiasts is called bodybuilding. At the moment we lack knowledge and what happens is the knuckleheads are experimenting with all manner of drugs to leapfrog the growth process. We need to find the 'aspirin' of hypertrophy and no longer try the reckless stacking protocols we hear about in this sport.
Vince, this is a very soft and general answer, which might be accepted by some lay person. However, if, as you say, you've been around a university in your time, you would know that your above response would receive a failing grade (particularly the bolded exerpt) as it lacks any rigorous logic.
/not trying to ride you on this, so feel free not to reply, but i am still to be convinced, at the present time and using your parameters, that building bigger muscles needs to be investigated by the scientific community. perhaps your argument might be better served using a military or multi-year space voyage angle?
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Have to give Vince credit i'm enjoying this.
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There is a vast gulf between philosophy and science. I haven't seen anything approaching a philosophy of hypertrophy or even exercise science. In the end what becomes science is what interests those scientists. They have problems and do research to try to gain insights into phenomena. If most exercise scientists do not have large muscles then why would any of them be personally interested in studying hypertrophy? The same goes for physical education and exercise science people. There has been a cult of valuing the mind over matter even in PE. That really is pathetic. Why isn't there more value placed on physiques? Well, the answer might be hidden in psychology and sociology along with history. No matter what value you place on mental pursuits and ability that does not diminish the value of physical traits such as appearance and physiques. So many people are mere hedonists and have no interest whatever in studying anything at all. We can test this conjecture by examining what winners of sweepstakes and lotteries do with their money. They quit their jobs, take a holiday and buy nice things for themselves and families. I doubt anyone has enrolled in university.
'Muscle' has become a negative word and what a pity that is. We need philosophers to reverse that charge and turn things around so that the beautiful physique is again lauded and respected. In the end, progress will be made by unique and gifted individuals and not the rank and file we see here on Getbig. From all the jumping up and down and one liners you would think a hint of intelligence might be behind those posts. Heck, not only are those guys afraid to get up on stage in a lineup, most are afraid of their own identity and prefer to remain anonymous for their own safety. That is the only way the meek inherit anything.
Historically scientists have been wimps. Until we have some masculine guys doing science we are not going to see any research into maximum hypertrophy. I would be satisfied with a complete field theory explaining hypertrophy. That must be a long way off at the moment because I have seen nothing at all close to explaining hypertrophy. The so called experts on hypertrophy know almost nothing both theoretically or practically. I find the absence of knowledge surprising because surely someone should see the gap. I suppose we don't see what we are not looking for.
The scientists are a bit like the earnest lads on this board. You can knock on the door of the deaf man forever.
Let me list a few nonsense concepts that most here think they know something about. Genetics for hypertrophy is a subject with absolutely no content. There is no information about who has the genes for hypertrophy except to beg the question. Hardgainers? Yes, where is the evidence for them? Again, that is just a term invented to explain the phenomenon of guys who train but get nowhere. I could go on and on. We know very little but assume we can explain this and that. What does anyone here know about drugs and bodybuilding except personal experience. That is not knowledge. There is so much nonsense in our sport that we have invented a language to pass on this nonsense. We are perpetuating falsehoods and assume we know what we are doing. People then believe things and because they believe them they think they are right and what they believe is true. No amount of believing something is true will change what the facts are. We need more information. We have to stop believing falsehoods. Always ask this question when examining phenomena: What is the test of truth of that phenomena?
What is the test of truth of statements I have made? Well, I hope there should be a correspondence with the facts. Go and find exercise scientists and talk to them. Find out if they know anything about hypertrophy and how to maximize it in humans. Ask for references to controlled studies. Ask to see what evidence of hypertrophy they have generated in themselves or others. If you cannot find this evidence then what I said about scientists is probably true. What they believe is important to what they will think necessary to study. At the moment big muscles are way down there on the list of research subjects. Find me one person who has received a PhD on the subject of maximum hypertrophy. You can find several who have studied anorexia nervosa. Doesn't that seem bizarre to us? Why should they study skinny, mentally ill subjects instead of muscle men? Yeah, I guess I sound nuts even championing this subject.
Will the cynical dr chimps please enlighten us with his credentials as far as academic standing goes? You do not get marks for rigorous logic but for powerful arguments and sense.
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Vince, science DOES know enough about hypertrophy to have isolated test in a synthetic form. What, are we to believe it was MUSCLETECH!?!?!?....lol!
Drugs are the silver bullet. However they have side effects. ALL agents which augment extra muscle growth in humans have side effects...food, supplements....anything that works has them! Everything will eat goes through the liver and it's no surprise that THAT'S where a lot of the damage occurs. I'd LOVE to see a paper published that shows the REAL damage that a moderate steroid injectable cycle does on the liver, versus say, REGULAR ALCOHOLIC intake on par with your average couch potato...THAT I'd be interested in!
The only thing one can do is eat clean and train hard....sleep. Repeat. That's IT.
There will never be an 'aspirin' for hypertrophy...trust that the drugmakers would have FOUND one by now...they're VERY interested in doing so!...could you imagine how LUCRATIVE a chemical that could safely grow muscles would be? I mean, it's BOGGLING, really. Just imagine how much is spent on plastic surgery and implants. Science HAS the answer, it's a dangerous one, STEROIDS.
Understanding the process of hypertrophy is fine and all, but we've had many theories and STILL can't agree!
And if you're a man of science, Vince..then I sure hope you're taking more than the 1.8 grams of protein PER KILOGRAM that has been advocated by MANY published research papers in order to GROW MUSCLE...what's that? You take MORE? ....you'd think an educated man would heed the almighty words of science to heart, V!
Okay, I'm ball-bustin but you get my point, Vince.
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Vince, science DOES know enough about hypertrophy to have isolated test in a synthetic form. What, are we to believe it was MUSCLETECH!?!?!?....lol!
Drugs are the silver bullet. However they have side effects. ALL agents which augment extra muscle growth in humans have side effects...food, supplements....anything that works has them! Everything will eat goes through the liver and it's no surprise that THAT'S where a lot of the damage occurs. I'd LOVE to see a paper published that shows the REAL damage that a moderate steroid injectable cycle does on the liver, versus say, REGULAR ALCOHOLIC intake on par with your average couch potato...THAT I'd be interested in!
The only thing one can do is eat clean and train hard....sleep. Repeat. That's IT.
There will never be an 'aspirin' for hypertrophy...trust that the drugmakers would have FOUND one by now...they're VERY interested in doing so!...could you imagine how LUCRATIVE a chemical that could safely grow muscles would be? I mean, it's BOGGLING, really. Just imagine how much is spent on plastic surgery and implants. Science HAS the answer, it's a dangerous one, STEROIDS.
Understanding the process of hypertrophy is fine and all, but we've had many theories and STILL can't agree!
And if you're a man of science, Vince..then I sure hope you're taking more than the 1.8 grams of protein PER KILOGRAM that has been advocated by MANY published research papers in order to GROW MUSCLE...what's that? You take MORE? ....you'd think an educated man would heed the almighty words of science to heart, V!
Okay, I'm ball-bustin but you get my point, Vince.
Meditation in the Word of God, faith, prayer, proper nutrition (not just eating the BB staples but also SECRET natural foods that maximise absorption of nutrients) , rest and training (smart, slow, heavy, cycling low-to-moderate rep ranges and injury-free) will have wondrous effects on the natural BB. Faith in the Lord is the most vital aspect for me; don't forget who the Creator is!
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There is a vast gulf between philosophy and science. I haven't seen anything approaching a philosophy of hypertrophy or even exercise science. In the end what becomes science is what interests those scientists. They have problems and do research to try to gain insights into phenomena. If most exercise scientists do not have large muscles then why would any of them be personally interested in studying hypertrophy? The same goes for physical education and exercise science people. There has been a cult of valuing the mind over matter even in PE. That really is pathetic. Why isn't there more value placed on physiques? Well, the answer might be hidden in psychology and sociology along with history. No matter what value you place on mental pursuits and ability that does not diminish the value of physical traits such as appearance and physiques. So many people are mere hedonists and have no interest whatever in studying anything at all. We can test this conjecture by examining what winners of sweepstakes and lotteries do with their money. They quit their jobs, take a holiday and buy nice things for themselves and families. I doubt anyone has enrolled in university.
'Muscle' has become a negative word and what a pity that is. We need philosophers to reverse that charge and turn things around so that the beautiful physique is again lauded and respected. In the end, progress will be made by unique and gifted individuals and not the rank and file we see here on Getbig. From all the jumping up and down and one liners you would think a hint of intelligence might be behind those posts. Heck, not only are those guys afraid to get up on stage in a lineup, most are afraid of their own identity and prefer to remain anonymous for their own safety. That is the only way the meek inherit anything.
Historically scientists have been wimps. Until we have some masculine guys doing science we are not going to see any research into maximum hypertrophy. I would be satisfied with a complete field theory explaining hypertrophy. That must be a long way off at the moment because I have seen nothing at all close to explaining hypertrophy. The so called experts on hypertrophy know almost nothing both theoretically or practically. I find the absence of knowledge surprising because surely someone should see the gap. I suppose we don't see what we are not looking for.
The scientists are a bit like the earnest lads on this board. You can knock on the door of the deaf man forever.
Let me list a few nonsense concepts that most here think they know something about. Genetics for hypertrophy is a subject with absolutely no content. There is no information about who has the genes for hypertrophy except to beg the question. Hardgainers? Yes, where is the evidence for them? Again, that is just a term invented to explain the phenomenon of guys who train but get nowhere. I could go on and on. We know very little but assume we can explain this and that. What does anyone here know about drugs and bodybuilding except personal experience. That is not knowledge. There is so much nonsense in our sport that we have invented a language to pass on this nonsense. We are perpetuating falsehoods and assume we know what we are doing. People then believe things and because they believe them they think they are right and what they believe is true. No amount of believing something is true will change what the facts are. We need more information. We have to stop believing falsehoods. Always ask this question when examining phenomena: What is the test of truth of that phenomena?
What is the test of truth of statements I have made? Well, I hope there should be a correspondence with the facts. Go and find exercise scientists and talk to them. Find out if they know anything about hypertrophy and how to maximize it in humans. Ask for references to controlled studies. Ask to see what evidence of hypertrophy they have generated in themselves or others. If you cannot find this evidence then what I said about scientists is probably true. What they believe is important to what they will think necessary to study. At the moment big muscles are way down there on the list of research subjects. Find me one person who has received a PhD on the subject of maximum hypertrophy. You can find several who have studied anorexia nervosa. Doesn't that seem bizarre to us? Why should they study skinny, mentally ill subjects instead of muscle men? Yeah, I guess I sound nuts even championing this subject.
Will the cynical dr chimps please enlighten us with his credentials as far as academic standing goes? You do not get marks for rigorous logic but for powerful arguments and sense.
Wow, that is a response, even a treatise. But you have covered so much and you jump from from point to point with so much rapidity that I don't think I can pick out a theme to answer you in a coherent manner. I can address the last bit tho. At the university level, research (sadly) is being driven more and more by outside (private) funding and less by internal budgets and hence research topics are skewed, dep'ts are headed by MBA's and not faculty members, etc. The biology dept. at the local university is continually hyped for it's ability to attract funding in the tens of millions!? I think for the purposes of examining 'maximum hypertrophy' as you detail, my bet would be on a Phys. Ed. graduate student working on a thesis or doc. But offhand, I can see sample size problems and control aspects that would be a nightmare. Heck, I would like to see your 'problem' more fully investigated, but playing devil's advocate, even simply, reveal so many practical difficulties in doing so. Perhaps, this is why the venal supplement companies have filled this gap so well and taken so many of the gullible for more than they can afford.
As for me, I suppose I have, as they say, enough degrees for a thermometer, and while I did some teaching it was never for me and now fill my time doing a bit of writing. My on-line moniker reflects a persona that is strictly of an honorific nature, hence the small d. (I certainly don't want to appear to be the jumped-up pantry boy!). As they say, like yourself, I am but a simple traveler. Cheers :)
/cynical perhaps, but i have found you learn more by questioning things rather than accepting them at face value. call it a skeptic's reasoning.
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Faith in the Lord is the most vital aspect for me; don't forget who the Creator is!
What is the Lord's position on hypertrophy? ::)
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What is the Lord's position on hypertrophy? ::)
good question..something scholar's have been pondering for many many years.the vatican recently funded a major investigation on this..
they concluded that cell tech was indeed the work of god and muscletech will be using it in there next ad campaign..featuring gustavo badell and jesus
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Sometimes I wonder if you could take a pill that would give you a world class physique with no training, how many would do this? Would anyone then care about the new magic pill bodybuilder physiques?
Right now I see guys that have the worst out of shape bodies looking beyond fantastic by using steroids for a six to 8 week cycle. Then when they go off for a couple months they quickly revert back to what they were before. I have seen guys so addicted to the juice that their cycles are almost back to back for the year with little down time.
I'm off topic here. Back to Vince.
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To reply to Vic. Science, in my opinion, knows very little about hypertrophy. I am impressed that they are finding out about body processes at the molecular level. From diagrams I have seen the body is immensely complicated and I doubt anyone can synthesize all that information to produce a field theory of hypertrophy. Scientists have come up with steroids but the ones that I have seen taken, including testosterone, are not safe if taken in high doses or for long periods of time. The present practices in bodybuilding are the reverse of science and so-called gurus are nothing more than charlatans and witch doctors. If a man takes a substance and has breasts that is not scientific bodybuilding but insanity. Who wants to have muscles but also breasts?
I believe we will look back on the current scene and shake our heads at the lack of information available to bodybuilders. Instead of listening to doctors and scientists it appears that bodybuilders are following the prescriptions of 'experts' in drugs.
We need to find out more about hypertrophy and the steady accumulation of muscle. It must be possible to understand the processes completely and then come up with things that will aid this process but not end up making us freaks.
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Who wants to have muscles but also breasts?
Female bodybuilders. ;D
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Who wants to have muscles but also breasts?
Vince G
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dr chimps has more degrees than a thermometer. Okay, I will accept that. Well, you know how conservative universities are. We also know that drug companies do a lot of research but not the kind that involve finding out about hypertrophy. So I suppose the only chance we have is for a single person to do some pertinent research into maximum hypertrophy. Can we even imagine such a study done over a long period of time? Most university studies last for a term or about 12 weeks. That is not long enough to discover anything at all. We need studies going for several years. Yes, it will be difficult to get a sufficient dedicated sample for this. Maybe prison populations can be used? Anyway, with all the current research it should be quite easy to isolate factors and measure responses.
At the moment it seems to me that all current theories of hypertrophy are plainly false. At best some are partly true. High intensity training is patently false. HST is also false. Neither method can generate continuous methods even in disciples!
Let us do a thought experiment. It is possible to come up with every possible winning combination in chess. If that can be done then the game would cease to be interesting because you could always know what moves to make to win every game. Suppose it is possible to build huge muscles in a short time. Suppose we can put 5 inches on biceps in 2 years. Well, we should be able to reverse that process and specify what to do for each workout to end up with that result. In other words we should be able to maximize hypertrophy and accumulate the greatest amount of growth possible. From what I have seen re protocols I can safely say that most are going to be submaximal programs. There are no current methods that would lead to maximum hypertrophy. Oh, many make all sorts of claims but the legions of disappointed guys who are not growing testify to the ineffectiveness of those programs.
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Vince G
You got me there Yorkie. ;)
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Cheri : Any new pictures you can show us ??????
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Yes, Cheri, Bev Francis was a friend when she lived in Australia. I respect women who want to develop larger muscles. Good for them. I don't approve of bodybuilders using silicon for effect. I know that most women resort to that silly addition to compensate for what they lose when they reduce their fat levels. Bodybuilding is great for women but maybe competitive bodybuilding is not. How many women want large muscles and almost no breasts?
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Cheri : Any new pictures you can show us ??????
lol, you looking for new ammo bailey? :D
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Yes, Cheri, Bev Francis was a friend when she lived in Australia. I respect women who want to develop larger muscles. Good for them. I don't approve of bodybuilders using silicon for effect. I know that most women resort to that silly addition to compensate for what they lose when they reduce their fat levels. Bodybuilding is great for women but maybe competitive bodybuilding is not. How many women want large muscles and almost no breasts?
Women's competitive bodybuilding might not be as profound as men's, but it's out there. And those that want breasts along with greater muscle mass will usually go for the implants.
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No. Just for our viewing pleasure. I told you what I thought about you.
I just thought you might have some newer photos since you were going to get ready for a show. Even If you are not dieting you still look hot !!! Post a few more pics to brighten my day.
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No. Just for our viewing pleasure. I told you what I thought about you.
I just thought you might have some newer photos since you were going to get ready for a show. Even If you are not dieting you still look hot !!! Post a few more pics to brighten my day.
I remember your post, and I am just messin with ya. No pics to post today, but you all know Michael. That's all he needs to whip out the camera. lol
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Well Maybe you can have the camera ready for Mike when he gets home....
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What is the Lord's position on hypertrophy? ::)
Why don't you pray and ask Him to guide your misgiuided soul; He created the entire friggin' concept of hypertrophy/anabolism after all. BBers merely uncovered what the Lord Jesus Christ created for us to enjoy in the 1st place.
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I sense a rather unholy vibe from the golden one..godspeed in your unclean thoughts, my prayers are with you. ::)
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Women's competitive bodybuilding might not be as profound as men's, but it's out there. And those that want breasts along with greater muscle mass will usually go for the implants.
...sorry to go off point, Vince, but this topic of boobs makes me add two cents...just today I was thumbing through the 2 books that Raquel McLish (sic) and DAMN she was awesome. And those 2 books have her in all sorts of sexy (although ridiculous) pics of her exercise technique....
..one of them is her doing some crossovers...and you can plainly see her fake titties on her fit little body. And they blamed Cory Everson for starting the fake tits look in womens bbing? Anyhow, these women looked great.
I know of one ex of mine that dieted for a figure show....AND a bb'ing show, and her tits went to nothing. She had some nice C's to start and they just dried up and went away...and, to her dismay, she didn't like the fact that if she was to be dieted down, she'd be stuck with what she called her "floppers"...empty breasts! She told me if she had the funds she'd get fake boobs easily to make up for the loss.
So I don't mind fake ones on competitor women.....or any women for that fact.
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What we like in women shouldn't impact on bodybuilding. Because you and most other people want to see 'feminine' women they allowed women to use implants. I agree that severe dieting causes the fatty tissue in the beasts to disappear leaving granny boobs behind. No woman wants that. However, because implants are allowed it has led to overuse of steroids that have masculinized women and make them freaks. My apologies to the few natural muscular women out there.
You cannot have it both ways. You would think the IFBB would be severe on testing for the women. However, if they test the women and not the men then they could be charged with sexual discrimination. All this drug use is allowed because Ben and Joe fear competitors deserting for the other federation. They should know. They were the underdogs for decades so they are hardly going to let their hard won status evaporate. You would think they would want to do the right thing now but I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Vince, you're blaming the current state of female bodybuilding and the steroid use involved on FAKE TITTIES???
...yep, you are. Wow. I have to say that I much prefer the physiques of Cory E and Rachel M with their fake boobs than the legions that followed. Granny boobs are not an option, and if they were, then perhaps the UNfeminine attribute of putting 'shredded' female muscle on display is to blame.
The loss of breasts at the expense of shredded beef? Ok, we're opening a can of worms on this but the fact is V, the 'allowance' of fake boobs on female bb'ers has NOTHING to do and is NOT related to the current state of affairs in female bb'ing. My opinion of course.
You can't be dieted down without losing your boobs if you're a woman. That's NOT feminine, but neither is a Ms Olympia physique. Now I understand your equality of goals between men and women, but in arguing that angle Vince you jeopardize your other valid statements of the state of MEN'S bodybuilding. Women and men are different, and perhaps the big faux pas fair dinkum was in placing the SAME values in judging women's bbing. Ok, so they nixed the front lat spread...boy, that did a lot to stop the behemoths of today...shit, let em have the front lat spread, PLEASE, just take away the Giant Clitoris and Bulging Adam's Apple!
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a lot actually................ ....it turned me into a man
i grew up a lot
gained a ton of respect for bodybuilders!
it changed me totally
it was the toughest thing i have ever gone thru (and i have been thru a lot,alcohol/drug addiction,deaths of many loved ones)
i grew up fast during my contest prep.....went from a boy to a man
it will change you and change your life
try it.................
really it sounds like it just turned you into a cock sucking asshole who thinks he is a tough guy now.
what happend you used to be cool >:(
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Women's bodybuilding has always been controversial. Men are hopeless at being impartial because they let their testosterone get in the way. For some curious reason most men bodybuilders do not fancy women with large muscles. I guess that can be explained by most being just average guys as far as education goes. They have the same attitudes to women bodybuilders as the rest of the public do. Or just about the same attitude.
Anyway, we have a problem because some women are naturally muscular and don't take any drugs. I taught high school with a PE teacher like that. Cuts galore and she never trained. These women could be good bodybuilders. Perhaps they have more testosterone in their bodies compared to average women. When average women lift weights they usually don't build up much muscle. They can do okay in their legs but arms and shoulders respond slowly for them. Then when they diet they look too skinny and unimpressive. So, I guess if you are going to compete for muscles the temptation is too great for steroids, etc. When you allow fake tits you allow them to use steroids and then they can get cut up and still have breasts. It is all a sham and I am against those additions. It spoils the sport. Even the fitness models have those operations. It is almost universal.
As far as I am concerned women bodybuilders should present on stage topless like the men do. That would bring in the crowds. However, in America you elect sheriffs and that sucks because there is always some fanatic who is going to clean up the place. So they lock up prostitutes and arrest nude bathers. What a conservative place America is. Nothing has changed since the 1950s.
You have to start testing both sexes for doping. The IFBB pay lipservice to this but do almost nothing at the professional level. It has killed a great sport. Sure I am amazed at the size some guys get. Heck, some of the women are huge, too. Very impressive. What disappoints is the fake boobs that are obvious, the aged look of the face and the gynocomastia in the men. Gone is the healthy look that bodybuilding used to be associated with. I well remember the crowds going to see Hercules and Hercules Unchained back around 59-60. There was Steve Reeves looking godlike and I must say he inspired me and plenty of other people to try to look better. Guys like Arnold got so big that they put more people off training than not because they looked like cartoon characters.
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A big problem is a number of factors that contribute to an unnatural appearance: the leathery look as mentioned, especially as it applies to the face, the very fake tans, the horse-like appearance of the muscles, the fake boobs and the dried-out looking hair. The entire appearance now looks overly worked on and contrived.
Nothing natural or healthy looking about it vs. the the look that was in vogue until some time in the 80s.
Topeless posing might work as would total nudity. ;)
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Topeless posing might work as would total . ;)
thats a scary thought....can you imagine some of these women with their hatchet wounds and a big bag of meat hanging down?
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Hahahaha, chalk up another thread started by Arvilla that blows up in his face. Even better is the fact that the dumb twunt Cheri came into defend him as usual and they still accomplished nothing.
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Hahahaha, chalk up another thread started by Arvilla that blows up in his face. Even better is the fact that the dumb twunt Cheri came into defend him as usual and they still accomplished nothing.
BLOWS UP IN MY FACE!!?!???!
a) it proves vince baslie is an old wind bag who rambles on and on about nothing
b) it also proves you are extremely jealous of me and my girl (hence you follow us from thread to thread like a dog in heat)
c) you are a frustrated wannabe bodybuilder who can't stand it that i actually competed and did well (it eats you up inside)
d)your a puss because you hide and hurl insults from the safety of ur moms bedroom computer
hope this helps.................. ;)
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BLOWS UP IN MY FACE!!?!???!
a) it proves vince baslie is an old wind bag who rambles on and on about nothing
b) it also proves you are extremely jealous of me and my girl (hence you follow us from thread to thread like a dog in heat)
c) you are a frustrated wannabe bodybuilder who can't stand it that i actually competed and did well (it eats you up inside)
d)your a puss because you hide and hurl insults from the safety of ur moms bedroom computer
hope this helps.................. ;)
C'mon Mike, once all that fat came off, you were tall, small and like a beanpole..and you were juiced-up! Even a genetic turd like Goodrum would blow you away after a year-long bulking cycle, along with rest, training and eating under my supervision. You're talkin' outta yer fat ass as if you are my old pal John Defendis. Basile's a weird old fella but at least he' s a weirdo who won a national title while yer a Mexican dipshit who won nuthin'.
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I sense a rather unholy vibe from the golden one..godspeed in your unclean thoughts, my prayers are with you. ::)
Sad misguided kid; go clean yer lil' eyes, get a copy of the Bible and start cleanin' yer soul up. Your prayers to Hell will land you in deep crap once you exit this planet and I would hate that to happen to kid like ya.
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C'mon Mike, once all that fat came off, you were tall, small and like a beanpole..and you were juiced-up! Even a genetic turd like Goodrum would blow you away after a year-long bulking cycle, along with rest, training and eating under my supervision. You're talkin' outta yer fat ass as if you are my old pal John Defendis. Basile's a weird old fella but at least he' s a weirdo who won a national title while yer a Mexican dipshit who won nuthin'.
um ok...................... ................
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Photoshopped ;D
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it also proves you are extremely jealous of me and my girl (
No offense but what's with the constant harping on the girl? I guess i'm not as impressed.
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Sad misguided kid; go clean yer lil' eyes, get a copy of the Bible and start cleanin' yer soul up. Your prayers to Hell will land you in deep crap once you exit this planet and I would hate that to happen to kid like ya.
Thanks that sounds very friendly. God be with you.
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um ok...................... ................
Damn, who's that mutt? ;) An Oriental monkey face only a mother could love (no, I'm not kidding!)...now how's John doing? I haven't heard from him in a few years now. He ok?
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Thanks that sounds very friendly. God be with you.
Good boy; I'm being serious now. What people don't realise due to their sin & shortsightedness when they surf porn, bang hookers or do other immoral shit is that that stuf rot their brain...the mind and spirit control sthe body, which eventually crumbles.
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um ok...................... ................
Epic lats... ;D
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Good boy; I'm being serious now. What people don't realise due to their sin & shortsightedness when they surf porn, bang hookers or do other immoral shit is that that stuf rot their brain...the mind and spirit control sthe body, which eventually crumbles.
I'm perfectly willing to entertain your dogmas...as long as you promise to climb down off your soap box and STFU. ;D
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Epic lats... ;D
http://media.putfile.com/WEST-PALM-SHOW
;)
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Monster chest and gyno
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Monster chest and gyno
feel free to post your pics for comparison.............. .....
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I'm perfectly willing to entertain your dogmas...as long as you promise to climb down off your soap box and STFU. ;D
The soap box Vince G is lathering you up with in da shower? ;) HAHAHAHAHA.
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Actually I just suggested elsewhere that golden shower might be more apropos for you..Godspeed my son..
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(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/catalog/v171a.jpg)
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Actually I just suggested elsewhere that golden shower might be more apropos for you..Godspeed my son..
Stop paraphrasing what Mike's sayin' to you in the shower...boy. Maybe his chicken legs remind ya of Arnold's in '80... ;D
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http://media.putfile.com/WEST-PALM-SHOW
;)
With that lanky body, no wonder CC wants to f*** ya...just wait till he sees ya baboon face though...he'll have a seizure so bad that he'll land back in da hospital...
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With that lanky body, no wonder CC wants to f*** ya...just wait till he sees ya baboon face though...he'll have a seizure so bad that he'll land back in da hospital...
you just came all over your monitor watching that video clip (is that mom knocking on your bedroom door?)
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Hey, Mike, you look huge in your avatar. Gotta respect that. However, those images in the dressing room show a smaller guy. What gives?
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you just came all over your monitor watching that video clip (is that mom knocking on your bedroom door?)
You're delusional Arvilla. Believe me, no one wishes they were you.
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Hey, Mike, you look huge in your avatar. Gotta respect that. However, those images in the dressing room show a smaller guy. What gives?
I think you have strained your eyes on that grip machine Salty....now put the whiskey down and put on those catarack glasses
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Hey, Mike, you look huge in your avatar. Gotta respect that. However, those images in the dressing room show a smaller guy. What gives?
that's photoshopped............ ..( i wish i looked liked that!)
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Hey, Mike, you look huge in your avatar. Gotta respect that. However, those images in the dressing room show a smaller guy. What gives?
he does look puny in this pic
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You're delusional Arvilla. Believe me, no one wishes they were you.
i bet you do..................post your pic so we can compare
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i bet you do..................post your pic so we can compare
Did you really juice to get that huge ::)
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Did you really juice to get that huge ::)
shut your mouth , get on stage and then post your contest pics................(i was a heavyweight)
you would be in the bantamweight class
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shut your mouth , get on stage and then post your contest pics................(i was a heavyweight)
you would be in the bantamweight class
You look small, thats all. I think some of the mr. Getbig contestants would beat you and they are natural. Just my opinion bro.
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You look small, thats all. I think some of the mr. Getbig contestants would beat you and they are natural. Just my opinion bro.
u huh..................... .........
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He may not have been huge, but his conditioning was spot on.
And I'm very proud of him.
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He may not have been huge, but his conditioning was spot on.
And I'm very proud of him.
thanks hunny!!
(that's all that matters to me!)
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I prefer Mikes look to the bloated freaks that are competing on stage, don't get me wrong. I was just surprised when I heard he was in an untested show. Guys at my gym are so much bigger and they don't compete. Good conditioning though.
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Mike, I heard that you were cheating on Laura with that sexy chick !!!!!!
is that true ?
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Plain and simple, Arvilla looks like shit.
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Plain and simple, Arvilla looks like shit.
Plain and simple, you are shit. ;D
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Plain and simple, you are shit. ;D
Hahahah, like clockwork, there's Cheri trying to save Arvilla from an owning. That's so pathetic it's not even funny. ::)
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Cheri, do you think Mike could win the Mr. Getbig?
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Hahahah, like clockwork, there's Cheri trying to save Arvilla from an owning. That's so pathetic it's not even funny. ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/blflammia/Gifs/23_29_105v1.gif)
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Hey, Mike, this place is fun, eh?
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Mike, I heard that you were cheating on Laura with that sexy chick !!!!!!
is that true ?
yes ............. (wouldn't you?)
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Hey, Mike, this place is fun, eh?
yea lol...............it's a real laugh a minute
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So, Mike, how big were your arms in that photo doing a biceps pose?
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So, Mike, how big were your arms in that photo doing a biceps pose?
i didn't measure them once i started contest dieting....if i had to guess 17 1/2 ~ 18 " maybe bigger
they were 19 1/2 cold when i started dieting at 270 lbs (i was 200 lbs at weigh in)
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I gotta be up front with you on this one, Mike. I'd hit it. 8)
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Plain and simple, you are shit. ;D
No, you're the turd Mrs Goodrum. After all, they say love and hate are 2 sides of da same coin... ;)
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He may not have been huge, but his conditioning was spot on.
And I'm very proud of him.
May not have been very huge???? LMAO, freakin' understatement of the century! And on 'roids? What a joke...maybe Baboon Mike injected corn oil instead of Deca...haha, you got jeeped you dogshit!
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he does look puny in this pic
Yeah, a puny piece of turd.
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Who's a better bodybuilder, Vince G. or Mike?
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feel free to post your pics for comparison.............. .....
Monster tiny arms & lats... ;D
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So, Mike, how big were your arms in that photo doing a biceps pose?
bigger than yours, "Mr. Canada".
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Who's a better bodybuilder, Vince G. or Mike?
Goodrum takes it no question. ;D On 'roids, Goodrum would toss Mike offstage on his sweet ear; of course he would need to be under my supervision though.
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Goodrum takes it no question. ;D On 'roids, Goodrum would toss Mike offstage on his sweet ear; of course he would need to be under my supervision though.
VInce has some pretty shitty genetics though. I don't mean to sound racist, but I thought all(most) black dudes were either ripped or very obese. My black friends are pretty ripped and they don't even workout.
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yea lol...............it's a real laugh a minute
Yeah, we're all laughing our asses off at yer puny body and baboon mug! :)
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VInce has some pretty shitty genetics though. I don't mean to sound racist, but I thought all(most) black dudes were either ripped or very obese. My black friends are pretty ripped and they don't even workout.
It's not the genetics that are bad but the training and diet. Vince just needs to commit himself - finances, energies, spirit & time - and he'll be big and ripped. The reason why almost no one is big all-natural is all-natural BB w/o steroids or any other sorta hormones is simply that BB is expensive, requires know-how & intelligence. Not to mention consistency. In today's hectic world, living and breathing BB 24/7 is a monumental challenge, particularly w/o chemical assistance. The fun lies in the challenge though for Vince G; he just needs to apply himself diligently. At 29, his best years are still ahead of him but whether he gets his shit together is another thing altogether.
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It's not the genetics that are bad but the training and diet. Vince just needs to commit himself - finances, energies, spirit & time - and he'll be big and ripped. The reason why almost no one is big all-natural is all-natural BB w/o steroids or any other sorta hormones is simply that BB is expensive, requires know-how & intelligence. Not to mention consistency. In today's hectic world, living and breathing BB 24/7 is a monumental challenge, particularly w/o chemical assistance. The fun lies in the challenge though for Vince G; he just needs to apply himself diligently. At 29, his best years are still ahead of him but whether he gets his shit together is another thing altogether.
lets hope not, I like his pics the way they are ;D
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lets hope not, I like his pics the way they are ;D
Haha yeah. Speaking of funny pics, are you gonna catch the release of Vince's new Hollywood blockbuster? I hear it comes out next Friday. Paramount is busy building up the hype in the runup till then.
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Haha yeah. Speaking of funny pics, are you gonna catch the release of Vince's new Hollywood blockbuster? I hear it comes out next Friday. Paramount is busy building up the hype in the runup till then.
Alexxx Rykov? Since when did fluffers get top billing? ;D
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Alexxx Rykov? Since when did fluffers get top billing? ;D
Hehe, don't speak that way of the future Mr Olympia... ;D
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feel free to post your pics for comparison.............. .....
Ummm no thanks...I'm not into oiling myself up and posing in a thong for other men.
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Ummm no thanks...I'm not into oiling myself up and posing in a thong for other men.
Oddly enough, that's what the baboon Arvilla specialises in.
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Vince the homeless tramp... ;D
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It wasn't that long ago that Big Mike Arvilla and Laura were bagging me. They made a formidable team together. Now those days seem to be long gone and Mike is getting a taste of a Laura owning. Who would have predicted that this would happen?
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serious business...
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It wasn't that long ago that Big Mike Arvilla and Laura were bagging me. They made a formidable team together. Now those days seem to be long gone and Mike is getting a taste of a Laura owning. Who would have predicted that this would happen?
Enjoy it Vince, it was well over the top, they really shamed themselves.
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It wasn't that long ago that Big Mike Arvilla and Laura were bagging me. They made a formidable team together. Now those days seem to be long gone and Mike is getting a taste of a Laura owning. Who would have predicted that this would happen?
Better yet, who would have predicted that you would necro a four year old thread in order to feel better about yourself? ::)
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Better yet, who would have predicted that you would necro a four year old thread in order to feel better about yourself? ::)
Well, be thankful it's still above ground. 8)
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Fuck off all you whiners
Typical "rude and no class Arvilla"
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Typical "rude and no class Arvilla"
I dunno who or what you are ... but you better get off the rag before you bleed to death .. it's really ridiculous to bump up an old post just to say something this assinine
Michael Arvilla is good people ... nothing you say can change that ... he's not here hating on anyone ... nor has he done anything to deserve the vile attacks he's been lambasted with here recently .. so I suggest you take a fucking pill .. and chill
it's just really pathetic to need to create an account to vent your frustration on this board or anywhere for that matter ... if it's really this big of an issue for you .. I suggest counseling .. or a good hard fucking ... either way you'll be better off .. you sound like they both are needed
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