Extra 50K - What do you guys think?

[Tre]

You have to seperate professional bodybuilding from the multi-million dollar supplement industry. The vast majority of people who train and take supplements have absolutely no interest in pro bodybuilding. I know a hardcore gym with over 1000 members in London that was not able to sell 20 tickets to the British GP held 10 miles away.

As much as I'd like to see the sport grow, in it's current state it's reached it's peak, and you only have to look at the falling attendance and failure of shows to see that the interestest is falling.

The Arnold Weekend has grown into one of the largest sporting events in the world but the bodybuilding event only attracts the same number of people as it did 10 years ago. If Arnold can't pull them in, nobody can.

Competiotion between Walmart and Target is good for employees and consumers because the profit margins are so huge that the companies can absorb increased costs. Show promoters do not have that luxury. Limited demand from fans, means limited support from sponsors.

The majority of people who read bodybuilding magazines are not interested in the competions thenselves only the athletes physiques.

The Ironman Show is held in the body image capital of the world but can't sell out despite it being an established show and recieveing plenty of advertising.

A proliferation of new federations is not going to improve the financial earning capacity of the athletes because it't not going to put more fans on seats.

Well said, Kevin.

This post should be archived.

[Tre]

It would be interesting to know how important sponsored bodybuilders are to supplement sales.

Not that much.

They *used* to be back in the day, but those days are long gone.

The supplement companies still prop bodybuilding up out of a sense of loyalty.  They get a return on the investment still, but it's nothing it like used to be.

[Tre]

The shows should be put on by the federations.  Period.

There should be one man who is hired to coordinate 5 to 15 shows a year.  Give him a small staff and a company account.

IFBB runs all IFBB events.  PDI runs all PDI events.  When money is tight, the company takes the hit.  When there's a big payoff, they get their due back.

And if not, get ONE supp company to do a show, and hold them contractually accountable to be fiscally responsible.  Cancelling the Toronto Pro 4 weeks out- that's just mickey mouse, mate!

The best show I've ever seen is run by a supplement company. 

[kmhphoto]

The best show I've ever seen is run by a supplement company. 

Was that the Charlotte Pro?
It was the one show I missed last year and everyone who attended said it was a fantastic event.
The promoter put everything he could into the event but ultimately it was the lack of support from the fans that resulted in it not being held this year?
This is the major problem I've seen over the years both in the US and Europe. The costs of putting on shows is enormous and with a very limited audience base, the probabliity of failure is high. Some promoters do it because of a love of the sport and have other business interests that can help offset the costs for a year or so but eventually they stop promoting. It's getting increasingly difficult to find new promoters. The post Olympia Euro tour used to have 6+ shows, now it's three.

[benchthis]

  me too

[shortfatugly]

Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!

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[shortfatugly]

Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!

Ray McNeil was pretty funny.  he had a stand up comedy act.  That is until medford blew his face off.  After that he could no longer hit the high notes and his career nosedived.  And oh yeah, he died.

Anyway, it could have been a start: the guys tell jokes to the audience and see who gets the biggest laughs.  That is like round 4 or the challenge round. Lets see Gustavo beat Ronnie in that one...  

[bigdumbbell]

I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.

[shortfatugly]

perhaps he meant law enforcement but he left that important piece of information out.

[Groink]

The best thing about the last few pages was Bob,Lee,Hrdcr and Ron were having a serious discussion while 240 and his assinine agenda were summarily ignored.

[LBoomer]

 What a great thread.

 

Radio show. Hmm.. a radio show that people can listen to and haer these guys talk... wow. Is there something like that Bob? Dan? Let’s make one, and get these guys to go on, one by one, in an hourly format Wink

I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.

I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.

[240 is Back]

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control.

IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle.  They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth.  You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.

[bigdumbbell]

I think Lee or any other person could use other cases.  It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offeneses that are considered equally wrong by the organization.  The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.  

LOL

[LifterChick]

What a great thread.

 
I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.

I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.

I don't think the Bodybuilding as a whole can push for greater exposure or marketability right now.
With the "hard on" the American Government has over steroids use, BBing would be ripped apart if they make alot of noise right now.  They have to keep their collective heads low and hope the Government doesn't try to deflect improtant issues such as Iraq or unemployment away from the public eye and expose how evil bodybuilding is, with all its accepted use of steroids. 

Lord knows how much safer the world would be if the great Government had all the dangerous steroids droids off the street.

[Lee_a_priest]

I think Lee or any other person could use other cases.  It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offenses that are considered equally wrong by the organization.  The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.  

True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose

[Tre]

IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle.  They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth.  You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.

Point of information - the people at the top (who control the bodybuilding side, not the publishing side) are not interested in growth, because growth means less CONTROL for them. 

Don't ever underestimate the egos involved in controlling bodybuilding, bodybuilders, etc.

[Tre]

I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

I hear ads for Bodybuilding.com on ESPN radio all the time.  They're also a sponsor of the NCAA bowl game (MPC Computers) that's held in Boise, ID. 

[Groink]

True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose

Tell that to Barry Bonds.

[LuciusFox]

Tell that to Barry Bonds.

  Great point, McGuire refused to answer any questions and has been let off the hook.

[bigdumbbell]

Was it a dumb post or did you laugh at the lawyer part?  

excellent funny and truthful post

[dearth]

despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post

[LuciusFox]

despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.

[thisiskeith12]

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.

Bob is a form of law.

[LuciusFox]

Bob is a form of law.

   For Bob commanded it and so shall it be done!

[dearth]

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.

while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info