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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: The True Adonis on January 29, 2007, 07:43:14 PM
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We have another person that I have chosen for a study.
He goes by the moniker "Tweeter"
I will now invite Tweeter to tell us about himself and we will also start with some pictures.
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hello, this is tweeter. adonis has been feeding me his sperm all week, he says this stuff has done wonders for him
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Looking forward to it good luck Adonis.... A follow up question..... are you planning to market your diet or are you just debunking myths???
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We have another person that I have chosen for a study.
He goes by the moniker "Tweeter"
I will now invite Tweeter to tell us about himself and we will also start with some pictures.
dude you have no education in anything your talking about. heres an abstract from a guy who actually when to school for biochem and is the leading expert in protein with nothing to gain from bodybuilding, stop the ignorance.
Beyond the Zone: Protein Needs of Active Individuals
Peter W.R. Lemon, PhD
Exercise Nutrition Research Laboratory, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, CANADA
Address reprint requests to: Dr. Peter W.R. Lemon, 3M Centre, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 3K7, CANADA. E-mail: plemon@julian.uwo.ca
There has been debate among athletes and nutritionists regarding dietary protein needs for centuries. Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific information collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures, daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs. recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6–1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes. This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate availability, exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality, training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like make this topic extremely complex. Many questions remain to be resolved. At the present time, substantial data indicate that the current recommended protein intake should be adjusted upward for those who are physically active, especially in populations whose needs are elevated for other reasons, e.g., growing individuals, dieters, vegetarians, individuals with muscle disease-induced weakness and the elderly. For these latter groups, specific supplementation may be appropriate, but for most North Americans who consume a varied diet, including complete protein foods (meat, eggs, fish and dairy products), and sufficient energy the increased protein needs induced by a regular exercise program can be met in one’s diet.
i can hook you up with the full article if you like about nitrogen balance and much more "gym science" ahahah. its better then no education internet science.
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I won't judge. I'll just sit back and watch the progress. Good luck on getting lean and staying healthy first and foremost...uh I can believe I am typing this "Tweeter" ;D
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I give you Tweeter!
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2 More!
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Tweeter is to do No Cardio.
No Supplements.
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so you are saying you will get him in contest condition in 12 weeks ?
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this is gonna be good ;)
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http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3384
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3406
These are two good Resources.
Please use them. I will also answer questions on this thread, as I can.
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so you are saying you will get him in contest condition in 12 weeks ?
Tweeter has not indicated a specific time frame.
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As i sit here eating nanaimo bars, cooking a pizza, and drinking whole milk i am intrigued.
I like Adonis' theories cause they're controverial and i'd agree that most people take in way to much protein for naturals but don't you think you're going alittle overkill with the zero cardio?
I don't do alot of cardio but I walk to the gym 3-4 days a week and play basketball and football once a week. I agree that if you're training hard enough in the gym you don't need any extra cardio but while it may not be necessary to lose weight you should at least have him walking to get some fresh air.
Treadmills suck but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to do some light cardio if he likes it.
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Beyond the Zone: Protein Needs of Active Individuals
Peter W.R. Lemon, PhD
Exercise Nutrition Research Laboratory, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, CANADA
Address reprint requests to: Dr. Peter W.R. Lemon, 3M Centre, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 3K7, CANADA. E-mail: plemon@julian.uwo.ca
i can hook you up with the full article if you like about nitrogen balance and much more "gym science" ahahah. its better then no education internet science.
I'd actually like to read that article.
edit: found it. go team google.
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/19/suppl_5/513S.pdf
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dude you have no education in anything your talking about. heres an abstract from a guy who actually when to school for biochem and is the leading expert in protein with nothing to gain from bodybuilding, stop the ignorance.
Beyond the Zone: Protein Needs of Active Individuals
Peter W.R. Lemon, PhD
Exercise Nutrition Research Laboratory, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, CANADA
Address reprint requests to: Dr. Peter W.R. Lemon, 3M Centre, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 3K7, CANADA. E-mail: plemon@julian.uwo.ca
There has been debate among athletes and nutritionists regarding dietary protein needs for centuries. Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific information collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures, daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs. recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6–1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes. This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate availability, exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality, training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like make this topic extremely complex. Many questions remain to be resolved. At the present time, substantial data indicate that the current recommended protein intake should be adjusted upward for those who are physically active, especially in populations whose needs are elevated for other reasons, e.g., growing individuals, dieters, vegetarians, individuals with muscle disease-induced weakness and the elderly. For these latter groups, specific supplementation may be appropriate, but for most North Americans who consume a varied diet, including complete protein foods (meat, eggs, fish and dairy products), and sufficient energy the increased protein needs induced by a regular exercise program can be met in one’s diet.
i can hook you up with the full article if you like about nitrogen balance and much more "gym science" ahahah. its better then no education internet science.
Bodybuilders are not athletes. ROFLMAO.
High Protien is a myth.
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As i sit here eating nanaimo bars, cooking a pizza, and drinking whole milk i am intrigued.
I like Adonis' theories cause they're controverial and i'd agree that most people take in way to much protein for naturals but don't you think you're going alittle overkill with the zero cardio?
I don't do alot of cardio but I walk to the gym 3-4 days a week and play basketball and football once a week. I agree that if you're training hard enough in the gym you don't need any extra cardio but while it may not be necessary to lose weight you should at least have him walking to get some fresh air.
Treadmills suck but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to do some light cardio if he likes it.
Cardio is not necessary to get ripped. 3-5 percent.
Cardio does provide GREAT benefits though on the circulatory system. Tweeter has indicated that he does not want to do cardio, so therefore he doesn`t have to do it.
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Why do you come on a BODYBUILDING board?
Will you be at the Arnold Adonis?
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Good work Adam.. This is the best way to prove 'em wrong.. Get them into shape and let the results speak for themselves. :)
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Cardio is not necessary to get ripped. 3-5 percent.
Cardio does provide GREAT benefits though on the circulatory system. Tweeter has indicated that he does not want to do cardio, so therefore he doesn`t have to do it.
Good enough for me.
I thought you were forbidding him from cardio. My bad.
Sidenote: how many case studies are you planning on doing?
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If this is case study 2, when was 1? Are you referring to Migizi? Where is that dancing machine at anyway?
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Good enough for me.
I thought you were forbidding him from cardio. My bad.
Sidenote: how many case studies are you planning on doing?
How many do you want?
LOL.
MY inbox and Emails are full of requests.
I am going to start out with some everyday people for now then move up the scale to even Pro Bodybuilder and real world athletes as I have gotten requests from them as well.
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If this is case study 2, when was 1? Are you referring to Migizi? Where is that dancing machine at anyway?
Yes,
Migizi lost over 30-40 lbs and was on his way, but I have not heard from him since the Y board was deconstructed. It used to be the Mythbuster board then it got descrambled and Migizi got lost.
Hopefully I can resume his progress. Migizi, if you are out there, I am here to help!!!!
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How many do you want?
LOL.
MY inbox and Emails are full of requests.
I am going to start out with some everyday people for now then move up the scale to even Pro Bodybuilder and real world athletes as I have gotten requests from them as well.
Well the more the better. It's hard to get fat people to lose weight (tweeter doesn't look too fat so this might work) cause they're lazy.
Best of luck TA.
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Hey TA, I must have missed something along the line here. What exactly are you theories on diet. Calorie counting, low protein ect? Just curious
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You'll definately surpass the conditioning you displayed there, but you'll have the muscle mass of an Ethiopian.
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ta, for a good chalenge it should be a fatso someone obese, now if you can do something with someone like that, that will be amazing........
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TA, congratulations on your new pupil. He doesnt know how lucky he is.
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Tweeter, good luck. You should do some cardio to keep yourself healthier.
It'll make you feel better, esp if you're going to eat Bic Macs and Krispy Kremes. ;)
TA, how do you plan on differentiating between muscle loss and fat loss? You've said that your principles result in zero muscle loss. This guy actually has some muscle, so I'm curious.
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I don't believe Migzi can be used as he was dancing all the weight off
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Tweeter,
If your either fat or cut.....in both instances you have no muscle. Lift hard, heavy and sleep.
Jaejonna.
If you learn to lift from a penguin more than likely you will look like that penguin.
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Cardio is not necessary to get ripped. 3-5 percent.
Cardio does provide GREAT benefits though on the circulatory system. Tweeter has indicated that he does not want to do cardio, so therefore he doesn`t have to do it.
yes, isn't it great that health has absolutely nothing to do with it? ::) Nothing better than looking like a million bucks when your heart gives out.
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Tweeter,
If your either fat or cut.....in both instances you have no muscle. Lift hard, heavy and sleep.
Jaejonna.
If you learn to lift from a penguin more than likely you will look like that penguin.
I'm not a big fan of T.A.'s principles but physique wise you have NO room to talk
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I know some of you guys had some questions in regards to cardio. I do walk quite a bit going to class each day as I live off campus, so its not like I am not exerting any physical energy outside of the gym. Also, I do like to swim maybe once or twice a week so I will continue to do that; I will basically just do that same stuff I have always done w/out throwing any new variables into the mix. I am looking forward to this diet and feel that it will be succesful. Also, keep in mind that I have dieting the traditional way before to get into shape for a contest; therefore, I will be able to make a comparison unlike many other people. Just for reference, here is a picture of the best shape I got into when dieting the traditional way; I plan to easily surpass this though. Also note that I was absolutely miserable doing this diet; I had no energy in the gym, constantly craved sweets, and just couldn't wait for the diet to be over. I was forcing chicken breasts down my mouth and almost threw them back up on occasion.
You were a monster!!!
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I'm not a big fan of T.A.'s principles but physique wise you have NO room to talk
I would shit on your one arm groinky the pig...
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I'll keep you guys posted on how much, if any, my strength varies from week to week. That should give a decent idea of whether or not I am losing muscle. That being said, losing weight has always been my problem, not retaining muscle. I will still be working out 5 times a week, with an average of 30 sets or more per workout.
I don't think that guaging muscle loss/fat loss on how you feel when you work out and whether or not you're pushing the same weight is very helpful. Feeling "weak" doesn't always mean that you are losing muscle.
Is there perhaps a more "scientific" way that can be utilized in this case study?
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Well, I guess I could get my bodyfat calculated and then determine the pounds of muscle I have on my frame and then repeat the process every so often to see if it changes. I will ask TA what he thinks later.
Oh, I'm sure we'll hear what TA thinks... ;)
I don't really think that the BF calculators and measurements are very accurate, but they can serve as another useful indicator IF the same person measures you the same way every time and you pay less attention to the number itself and more attention to directionality.
I suppose it could be helpful in this instance, although I really don't know what the best way may be to guage muscle loss versus fat loss.
But one of the problems I have with TA's theories is that yes, I agree you will lose weight in a calorie deficit, no matter what the calories you are taking in are composed of. BUT, I am not convinced at all that 100% of the weight you lose is fat...I don't see how it can be, given the way your body processes and utilizes certain nutrients.
Good Luck to you.
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On the MD board, it was supposed to be someone %40-%50 bodyfat. This guy will lose the weight, but won't gain muscle if there is not enough protein.
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On the MD board, it was supposed to be someone %40-%50 bodyfat. This guy will lose the weight, but won't gain muscle if there is not enough protein.
Losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time is quite a feat to do naturally, no?
I'm less interested in how TA's plan works for someone who is THAT high in BF...you can't tell if that person loses muscle because he hardly had any to begin with! Not to mention that even if he loses muscle, it'll be an improvement...
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I'll keep you guys posted on how much, if any, my strength varies from week to week. That should give a decent idea of whether or not I am losing muscle. That being said, losing weight has always been my problem, not retaining muscle. I will still be working out 5 times a week, with an average of 30 sets or more per workout.
That is NOT an indication at all.
The ability to move more weight when one is considerably larger is due to the fact of being a better mechanical lever and also a differing center of gravity.
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Losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time is quite a feat to do naturally, no?
I'm less interested in how TA's plan works for someone who is THAT high in BF...you can't tell if that person loses muscle because he hardly had any to begin with! Not to mention that even if he loses muscle, it'll be an improvement...
He has ALOT of muscle.
You are either too quick to judge, or you simply cannot see it.
I can give you some NASA studies on muscle atrophy if you are interested and how near impossible it is to lose when subjected to resistance training on earth.
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Yes, this makes sense. I will still keep people posted on how my strength changes. I used to lose a lot of strength when dieting the traditional way, so I will see how this compares.
This is another reason why Perma-Bulkers can never bring themselves to diet or diet all the way.
They ALL lose their lifting poundages, save for some of the midgets as they are more inclined to be a better mechanical lever anyway.
But the Perma-bulker are convinced that they are losing muscle which is hillarious. In effect, they are actually getting stronger because of power to weight.
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On the MD board, it was supposed to be someone %40-%50 bodyfat. This guy will lose the weight, but won't gain muscle if there is not enough protein.
I have a request from someone who is 70 percent.
That will be fun.
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I have a request from someone who is 70 percent.
That will be fun.
And are you going to tell me that this guy has A LOT of muscle too?
Just for shits and giggles, HOW DO you plan on differentiating between muscle loss and fat loss? Should tweeter get someone to take his measurements for him regularly?
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My digital scale has a bodyfat calculator built into it but I am not sure how accurate it is. However, I would think as long as I measure it the same way each time and simply look at the difference, it would be fairly accurate.
I though those digital scales based their bodyfat reading on average height and weight ratios - not truly on the actual person on the scale...
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My digital scale has a bodyfat calculator built into it but I am not sure how accurate it is. However, I would think as long as I measure it the same way each time and simply look at the difference, it would be fairly accurate.
those scales are useless..measure before you go to bed and when you wake up, you will see what I mean
also before and after taking a dump :)
lol, also before and after sex
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And are you going to tell me that this guy has A LOT of muscle too?
Just for shits and giggles, HOW DO you plan on differentiating between muscle loss and fat loss? Should tweeter get someone to take his measurements for him regularly?
The best comparison is for Tweeter to compare it to his old diet.
But even that doesn`t matter.
It is VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY difficult to lose muscle on earth unless one is bed-ridden,immobile, or suffers from some wasting disease.
Heavy weight training prevents this in its entirety, not to mention that Tweeter is regularly eating.
The only way to tell is a biopsy or an electron/laser X-Ray. The other methods are useless. Even DEXA is useless.
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OK, good luck tweeter.
LOL soooo true about those electronic scales with the BF calculators in them!
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tweeter - sign up for a Bodyspace account and document it all there. Let's see your progress.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com
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How are you going to tell if he lost muscle and what are your plans 3-4 days before the show?
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those scales are useless..measure before you go to bed and when you wake up, you will see what I mean
also before and after taking a dump :)
lol, also before and after sex
ok - maybe they have a random Algorithm in them that spits out a different number each time...
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How are you going to tell if he lost muscle and what are your plans 3-4 days before the show?
BTW, calorie deficit diets are great for the overweight and obese......not for bodybuilding!
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BTW, calorie deficit diets are great for the overweight and obese......not for bodybuilding!
Contrary to what you believe,
Bodybuilders don`t defy Science and Scientific Laws.
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BTW, calorie deficit diets are great for the overweight and obese......not for bodybuilding!
You believe in god, so Science is deaf to you anyways.
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Bodybuilders are not athletes. ROFLMAO.
High Protien is a myth.
its not you moron, why would a phd who has dedicated his life to protein digestion, and utilization lie?
he has spent possibly 12-15 years in school studying this and thruogh his own research and you dont even have a degree in this stuff.
how is it a myth, his paper clearly states the opposite of what some gym rat is saying.
medical science is a myth, you can drink only milk and stay healthy. there is no such thing as essential nutrients.
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BTW, calorie deficit diets are great for the overweight and obese......not for bodybuilding!
Thats the best statement posted in this thread.
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You believe in god, so Science is deaf to you anyways.
science and religion dont have an effect on each other hope this helps, your admission that faith in god affects science shows your ignorance. again einsteing,newton,planck,eddington etc beleived and they are scientific giants. stop being a moron and actually back up what you say with arguements logic.
calorie deficit diets are what everyone uses, its not new jesus, get a fucking clue.
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its not you moron, why would a phd who has dedicated his life to protein digestion, and utilization lie?
he has spent possibly 12-15 years in school studying this and thruogh his own research and you dont even have a degree in this stuff.
how is it a myth, his paper clearly states the opposite of what some gym rat is saying.
medical science is a myth, you can drink only milk and stay healthy. there is no such thing as essential nutrients.
There are Thousands of studies to cite why he is wrong. High Protein has certainly not caught on Scientific journals. Make your own conclusion.
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science and religion dont have an effect on each other hope this helps, your admission that faith in god affects science shows your ignorance. again einsteing,newton,planck,eddington etc beleived and they are scientific giants. stop being a moron and actually back up what you say with arguements logic.
calorie deficit diets are what everyone uses, its not new jesus, get a fucking clue.
THAT IS LIE about the great Scientists.
EINSTEIN would abhor that classification:
Einstein has also said:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
The above quote is from a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in " Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. Also from the same book:
I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
More of Einstein's comments on religion are available on the web at <URL:http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~lesikar/ESR.html>.
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Here are some more great Quotes Einstein made:
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.
The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive
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This will Sicken you, how religious Christians and such viewed Einstein: (From The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins)
In greater numbers since his death, religious apologists understandably try to claim Einstein as one of their own. Some of his religious contemporaries saw him very differently. In 1940 Einstein wrote a famous paper justifying his statement 'I do not believe in a personal God.' This and similar statements provoked a storm of letters from the religiously orthodox, many of them alluding to Einstein's Jewish origins. The extracts that follow are taken from Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion (which is also my main source of quotations from Einstein himself on religious matters). The Roman Catholic Bishop of Kansas City said: 'It is sad to see a man, who comes from the race of the Old Testament and its teaching, deny the great tradition of that race.' Other Catholic clergymen chimed in: 'There is no other God but a personal God ... Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong. Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.' The notion that religion is a proper field, in which one might claim expertise, is one that should not go unquestioned. That clergyman presumably would not have deferred to the expertise of a claimed 'fairyologist' on the exact shape and colour of fairy wings. Both he and the bishop thought that Einstein, being theologically untrained, had misunderstood the nature of God. On the contrary, Einstein understood very well exactly what he was denying.
An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an ecumenical coalition, wrote to Einstein:
We deeply regret that you made your statement ... in which you ridicule the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the Jews from Germany as your statement. Conceding your right to free speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as one of the greatest sources of discord in America.
A New York rabbi said: 'Einstein is unquestionably a great scientist, but his religious views are diametrically opposed to Judaism.'
'But'? 'But'? Why not 'and'?
The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote a letter that so damningly exposes the weakness of the religious mind, it is worth reading twice:
We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to do you honor.
What a devastatingly revealing letter! Every sentence drips with intellectual and moral cowardice.
Less abject but more shocking was the letter from the Founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma:
Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced to flee your native land.'
The one thing all his theistic critics got right was that Einstein was not one of them.
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We aren't really preparing for a show, just for the sake of getting in shape. However, I was thinking that I could do that Metrolina as it is at the end of April, which is about 12 weeks from now. I really don't care about competing anymore, but if you guys really want to see the final product, it may be a good to step onstage if I can get lean enough by then. Maybe Goodrum would like to challenge me?
Excellent idea tweeter. Go for it!
Although if you are going against Goodrum, I'll go ahead and give you the win now.
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That is just sick how Religious people treated Einstein. They really ruin Technological progress.
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I never knew protein was so complicated.
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true adonis is the greatest comedian on the internet
fact
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THAT IS LIE about the great Scientists.
EINSTEIN would abhor that classification:
Einstein has also said:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
The above quote is from a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in " Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. Also from the same book:
I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
More of Einstein's comments on religion are available on the web at <URL:http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~lesikar/ESR.html>.
he has said many things on both sides of the fence, he agreed with spinoza and beleived in a deity, not a personal god. he beleived a intelligence began this world and left it. read quantum questions by ken wilber it has everyone of einsteins quotes regarding spirituality. i didnt say what type of god.
religion and spirituality are not the same, this is again ignorance.
richard dawkins is a biologist, why is he commenting on something he knows nothing about? all his arguments can be easily dismantled and are strawmen that he sets up and takes out. such as people kill in the name of religion etc this is not the crux of the issue, and is a superficial arguement.
he still beleived in a god, read some spinoza and monist contribution, wether panphysicist or pantheist he still beleived in divinity, your missing the point.
he beleived in the supernatural, ill haul up some of his godly quotes but it doesnt really matter, einstein beleived in a god.
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Adonis, are you telling me that you would believe the studies of a small operation such as NASA over the astonishing scientific research of the great Muscletech? :o
hahhah That seems to be the trend with America in just about everything.
Either believe in a non-existent god, or adhere to marketing and advertising masquerading as science.
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adonis what arguments do you have for a non-exsistent god? id like to hear some of your logic as to why god doesnt exist. im sure they will be a childish as your theory on protein. with responses, like there are articles proving him wrong.
post the arguments, 40% of scientists beleive in god and 80% of the public.
surely everyone cant be as smart as the great true anus with no education.
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he has said many things on both sides of the fence, he agreed with spinoza and beleived in a deity, not a personal god. he beleived a intelligence began this world and left it. read quantum questions by ken wilber it has everyone of einsteins quotes regarding spirituality. i didnt say what type of god.
religion and spirituality are not the same, this is again ignorance.
richard dawkins is a biologist, why is he commenting on something he knows nothing about? all his arguments can be easily dismantled and are strawmen that he sets up and takes out. such as people kill in the name of religion etc this is not the crux of the issue, and is a superficial arguement.
he still beleived in a god, read some spinoza and monist contribution, wether panphysicist or pantheist he still beleived in divinity, your missing the point.
he beleived in the supernatural, ill haul up some of his godly quotes but it doesnt really matter, einstein beleived in a god.
You are a liar and do not understand Einstein.
Also,
Faith is not good enough to justify a belief. It just shows your own ignorance. You are like a giant eraser, erasing truth, logic and dare I say, science.
Take your lies and god-worship elsewhere.
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adonis what arguments do you have for a non-exsistent god? id like to hear some of your logic as to why god doesnt exist. im sure they will be a childish as your theory on protein. with responses, like there are articles proving him wrong.
post the arguments, 40% of scientists beleive in god and 80% of the public.
surely everyone cant be as smart as the great true anus with no education.
I will be happy to debate this in the Religion section with you.
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good then ill start the thread in the religion section, i would like you to actually make some valid points. in your own words and i will do the same.
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adonis what arguments do you have for a non-exsistent god? id like to hear some of your logic as to why god doesnt exist. im sure they will be a childish as your theory on protein. with responses, like there are articles proving him wrong.
post the arguments, 40% of scientists beleive in god and 80% of the public.
surely everyone cant be as smart as the great true anus with no education.
that means that 60 percent or the vast majority don't believe in God, doesn't it?
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that means that 60 percent or the vast majority don't believe in God, doesn't it?
no, if you think that 60% of the population have phd's.
the majority of scienctists are religious, i have no idea how many are spiritual. science itself is founded on materialism so you can see the obvious paradox in beleiving in the supernatural and the natural. its not a huge paradox as many have pointed out.
the majority of humanity beleive in god. however, scienctists or phds without education in theology, or philosophy are not really the best people to stake opinions on god.
HERE is the thread adonis, glad to see your actually willing to debate some of your thoughts.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123178.0
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no, if you think that 60% of the population have phd's.
the majority of scienctists are religious, i have no idea how many are spiritual. science itself is founded on materialism so you can see the obvious paradox in beleiving in the supernatural and the natural. its not a huge paradox as many have pointed out.
the majority of humanity beleive in god. however, scienctists or phds without education in theology, or philosophy are not really the best people to stake opinions on god.
HERE is the thread adonis, glad to see your actually willing to debate some of your thoughts.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123178.0
You are espousing lie after lie.
It really does no good to debate the uneducated and misinformed.
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You are espousing lie after lie.
It really does no good to debate the uneducated and misinformed.
haha i figured you would back out haahha. what is a lie?
that einstein agreed with spinoza if you deny this you might as well deny e=mc2.
or that light is timeless, and experiences no distance.
or that consciousnous does not collaspe that wave function creating particles fromt the photoelectric effect.
if you want to actually try to debate insted of spewing lies and half truths for once the thread is there.
your the one who suggested it, now after only one reply you back out. this doesnt vote well for your theories if you cannot even handle a simple debate with a simpleton like me ahahhaaha. if your ideas are correct etc i dont see the reason not to expouse them publicly.
are you saying the majority of humanity doesnt beleive in god. a recent poll show 80 percentof americans.
i suppose buddists etc could be taken fromt he pack but the concept of reincarnation and karma has a supernatural ring to it.
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You are a liar and do not understand Einstein.
Also,
Faith is not good enough to justify a belief. It just shows your own ignorance. You are like a giant eraser, erasing truth, logic and dare I say, science.
Take your lies and god-worship elsewhere.
i dont erase truth logic etc, i can show you if you want why atheism is the weaker of the two beleifs based on logic.
atheism and theism are faiths, your beleif is a faith, since no one can KNOW if there is no god, or if there is. all you or i can offer are plausible arguments.
faith in the dis-belief, or belief in god/no god is the only thing you can truly have.
please dont reply that atheism is not a faith.
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Wtf does bible thumping have to do with Tweeter? You guys are fucking up a perfectly good thread with this religion bullshit. >:(
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Wtf does bible thumping have to do with Tweeter? You guys are fucking up a perfectly good thread with this religion bullshit. >:(
THANK YOU for saying exactly what I was going to say! 8)
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haha i figured you would back out haahha. what is a lie?
that einstein agreed with spinoza if you deny this you might as well deny e=mc2.
or that light is timeless, and experiences no distance.
or that consciousnous does not collaspe that wave function creating particles fromt the photoelectric effect.
if you want to actually try to debate insted of spewing lies and half truths for once the thread is there.
your the one who suggested it, now after only one reply you back out. this doesnt vote well for your theories if you cannot even handle a simple debate with a simpleton like me ahahhaaha. if your ideas are correct etc i dont see the reason not to expouse them publicly.
are you saying the majority of humanity doesnt beleive in god. a recent poll show 80 percentof americans.
i suppose buddists etc could be taken fromt he pack but the concept of reincarnation and karma has a supernatural ring to it.
You must have been asleep during basic Science. haha
Look, this is Tweeter`s thread. Take your lies and false beliefs elsewhere.
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here are some einstein quotes, he was often conflicted but agreed with spinoza
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
anyway there about 200 more, i think it is you that doesnt understand einstein. everyone knows he was a deitist.
im just commenting on adonis's ignorance that is all. if he wants to voice an opinion, i just wanted to voice mine. he suggested moving it as did i.
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im just exposing you for your lies. you dont know anything other then basic biochem and nothing about any other topic you make reference too.
post some articles to back up your lies.
im all for being innovative but your just lieing. you lost all your muscle when you dieted, there goes your theory.
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Wtf does bible thumping have to do with Tweeter? You guys are fucking up a perfectly good thread with this religion bullshit. >:(
i never mentioned the bible. of course he will get the fat kid in shape..
heres the formula
calories out>calories in gasp this is genius.
the point is the kid will lose muscle and be unhealthy. theres a reason the body has seperate mechanisms and uses for the macro's.
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im just exposing you for your lies. you dont know anything other then basic biochem and nothing about any other topic you make reference too.
post some articles to back up your lies.
im all for being innovative but your just lieing. you lost all your muscle when you dieted, there goes your theory.
In greater numbers since his death, religious apologists understandably try to claim Einstein as one of their own. Some of his religious contemporaries saw him very differently. In 1940 Einstein wrote a famous paper justifying his statement 'I do not believe in a personal God.' This and similar statements provoked a storm of letters from the religiously orthodox, many of them alluding to Einstein's Jewish origins. The extracts that follow are taken from Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion (which is also my main source of quotations from Einstein himself on religious matters). The Roman Catholic Bishop of Kansas City said: 'It is sad to see a man, who comes from the race of the Old Testament and its teaching, deny the great tradition of that race.' Other Catholic clergymen chimed in: 'There is no other God but a personal God ... Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong. Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.' The notion that religion is a proper field, in which one might claim expertise, is one that should not go unquestioned. That clergyman presumably would not have deferred to the expertise of a claimed 'fairyologist' on the exact shape and colour of fairy wings. Both he and the bishop thought that Einstein, being theologically untrained, had misunderstood the nature of God. On the contrary, Einstein understood very well exactly what he was denying.
An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an ecumenical coalition, wrote to Einstein:
We deeply regret that you made your statement ... in which you ridicule the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the Jews from Germany as your statement. Conceding your right to free speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as one of the greatest sources of discord in America.
A New York rabbi said: 'Einstein is unquestionably a great scientist, but his religious views are diametrically opposed to Judaism.'
'But'? 'But'? Why not 'and'?
The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote a letter that so damningly exposes the weakness of the religious mind, it is worth reading twice:
We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to do you honor.
What a devastatingly revealing letter! Every sentence drips with intellectual and moral cowardice.
Less abject but more shocking was the letter from the Founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma:
Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced to flee your native land.'
The one thing all his theistic critics got right was that Einstein was not one of them.
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adonis i dont care about christians, because im on your side with regards to them, some are weak minded with horrible logic, some are very intelligent.
einstein did not beleive in a PERSONAL god.
he did beleive in divinity and a deity though.
your quotes are a great argument against nothing ive said. im not religious in so far as you are. i dont agree with religions at all.
anyway the thread is there if you actually want to defend your thougths. if not it can just go into the pile of shit you've said but havent done.
ill stop jacking your thread.
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adonis i dont care about christians, because im on your side with regards to them, some are weak minded with horrible logic, some are very intelligent.
einstein did not beleive in a PERSONAL god.
he did beleive in divinity and a deity though.
your quotes are a great argument against nothing ive said. im not religious in so far as you are. i dont agree with religions at all.
anyway the thread is there if you actually want to defend your thougths. if not it can just go into the pile of shit you've said but havent done.
ill stop jacking your thread.
Please stop.
Also know that Einstein did not believe in divinity or a deity. It is really sad to see his name defiled in such a way.
If you would like to talk about it in more detail lets do it on the religion board.
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Please stop.
Also know that Einstein did not believe in divinity or a deity. It is really sad to see his name defiled in such a way.
If you would like to talk about it in more detail lets do it on the religion board.
sure.
i wont jack your thread again.
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You believe in god, so Science is deaf to you anyways.
Don't turn this into a religion topic.....I can bury you with scientific Biblical facts!
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Don't turn this into a religion topic.....I can bury you with scientific Biblical facts!
I love the oxymoron. LOL.
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
DAMN you look good. I can see what you mean by stringy-ness compared to some of your other pics...but DAMN. Your structure is tremendous, your physique looks amazing. My favorite kind of "look" for a BB.
I cannot wait for you to compete again...please hurry up and get back on stage!!!
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
look awesome there.
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In greater numbers since his death, religious apologists understandably try to claim Einstein as one of their own. Some of his religious contemporaries saw him very differently. In 1940 Einstein wrote a famous paper justifying his statement 'I do not believe in a personal God.' This and similar statements provoked a storm of letters from the religiously orthodox, many of them alluding to Einstein's Jewish origins. The extracts that follow are taken from Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion (which is also my main source of quotations from Einstein himself on religious matters). The Roman Catholic Bishop of Kansas City said: 'It is sad to see a man, who comes from the race of the Old Testament and its teaching, deny the great tradition of that race.' Other Catholic clergymen chimed in: 'There is no other God but a personal God ... Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong. Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.' The notion that religion is a proper field, in which one might claim expertise, is one that should not go unquestioned. That clergyman presumably would not have deferred to the expertise of a claimed 'fairyologist' on the exact shape and colour of fairy wings. Both he and the bishop thought that Einstein, being theologically untrained, had misunderstood the nature of God. On the contrary, Einstein understood very well exactly what he was denying.
An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an ecumenical coalition, wrote to Einstein:
We deeply regret that you made your statement ... in which you ridicule the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the Jews from Germany as your statement. Conceding your right to free speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as one of the greatest sources of discord in America.
A New York rabbi said: 'Einstein is unquestionably a great scientist, but his religious views are diametrically opposed to Judaism.'
'But'? 'But'? Why not 'and'?
The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote a letter that so damningly exposes the weakness of the religious mind, it is worth reading twice:
We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps, is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone who will destroy another's faith.' ... I hope, Dr Einstein, that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something more pleasing to the vast number of the American people who delight to do you honor.
What a devastatingly revealing letter! Every sentence drips with intellectual and moral cowardice.
Less abject but more shocking was the letter from the Founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma:
Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced to flee your native land.'
The one thing all his theistic critics got right was that Einstein was not one of them.
Brutal copy and past from this site; http://www.dimaggio.org/Heroes/Dawkins/Dawkins.htm
Look about 1/4 of the way down the page...
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Brutal copy and past from this site; http://www.dimaggio.org/Heroes/Dawkins/Dawkins.htm
Look about 1/4 of the way down the page...
It can be found in Richard Dawkins book, The God Delusion.
I HIGHLY recommend it.
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Getting back to the topic, I am feeling good today and have not noticed a decline in energy. However, today happens to be my off day so I will have to wait until tomorrow to see how I feel during my workout. I am currently eating 1800 calories a day (probably for about a month) so that Adonis can determine my constant in order to apply his formula. I have been up since 8 this morning and so far have consumed 1200 calories, and will eat 600 more sometime tonight. I will post everything that I ate along with the calories tonight.
Perfect!
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
I don`t see a loss. Can you please show me what on earth are you talking about?
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
You used to be hot! What the hell went wrong??
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I panicked coming up to a show and went low cal for fear of not making my weight class......as you can see by this pic, I wound up losing alot of muscle and was too drawn and too stringy......even though I won, it was my worst showing. I'm embarrassed of this pic, but I wanted to prove a point......
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
wow, this is exactly the kind of shape i like....
Mr. intenseone are you planning a coming back on stage, also your 42 + i think, now?
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Cardio is not necessary to get ripped. 3-5 percent.
Cardio does provide GREAT benefits though on the circulatory system. Tweeter has indicated that he does not want to do cardio, so therefore he doesn`t have to do it.
With all respect, you've yet to post a picture of yourself at 3-5%. With that, what proof do we have that you know how to get yourself in that sort of condition let alone guide someone else? I don't think it can be argued that 3% is a level of bodyfat that very few have attained with or without drugs.
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I don`t see a loss. Can you please show me what on earth are you talking about?
Yes, Mr. Intenseone, PLEASE show Adonis what you are talking about. Maybe you should start a thread about this and post some more pics? ;D
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I don`t see a loss. Can you please show me what on earth are you talking about?
That pic was taken RIGHT after prejudging, I only carbed the day of the show on very little, I was so paraniod that I wouldn't make weight, I dropped calories carbs included, the cut off was 1761/4 and I came in at 168, I should have came in right at the limit. After that shoot, I started protein loading with a little carbs and filling out, that pic was taken about 12:30pm and I was 170, by the time of the night show, I went on stage at 7:30pm @ 183 and dry as hell!
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That pic was taken RIGHT after prejudging, I only carbed the day of the show on very little, I was so paraniod that I wouldn't make weight, I dropped calories carbs included, the cut off was 1761/4 and I came in at 168, I should have came in right at the limit. After that shoot, I started protein loading with a little carbs and filling out, that pic was taken about 12:30pm and I was 170, by the time of the night show, I went on stage at 7:30pm @ 183 and dry as hell!
Can we have pictures in similar poses, correct lighting and of equal distance to really compare? Plus what drugs, if any were you on and did you take?
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You used to be hot! What the hell went wrong??
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Can we have pictures in similar poses, correct lighting and of equal distance to really compare? Plus what drugs, if any were you on and did you take?
I have more but they have to be scanned!
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I have more but they have to be scanned!
Nothing to be embarassed about being in that condition.. :-\
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Ok, day 1 is now complete. Here is what I ate and the calories of each item
Trioplex bar 430
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Cheese grits 260
Medium size banana 105
3 eggs w/ 1 slice of cheese 270
Peppermint 10
Chicken Nuggets 210
Total Calories 1795
I also took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium and zinc
Perfect!
Once we follow this constant, I`ll tell you when to stop.
Then we apply my Formula. It will be interesting to see and compare with the others.
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What sort of diet is this???
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Ok, day 1 is now complete. Here is what I ate and the calories of each item
Trioplex bar 430
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Cheese grits 260
Medium size banana 105
3 eggs w/ 1 slice of cheese 270
Peppermint 10
Chicken Nuggets 210
Total Calories 1795
I also took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium and zinc
can you break it down my meals?..let us what each meal consisted of
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can you break it down my meals?..let us what each meal consisted of
We don`t think in terms of meals.
Just food items.
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Ok, day 1 is now complete. Here is what I ate and the calories of each item
Trioplex bar 430
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Cheese grits 260
Medium size banana 105
3 eggs w/ 1 slice of cheese 270
Peppermint 10
Chicken Nuggets 210
Total Calories 1795
I also took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium and zinc
I take it your not doing this for your health???
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We don`t think in terms of meals.
Just food items.
lol, we know that he didn't eat it all at one time so clearly there was a time factor involved
don't get cute fucker
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I take it your not doing this for your health???
Joe, you remember Dr CF Smith? He ate almost exactly like this.
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I take it your not doing this for your health???
Joe he's a bodybuilder.. fuck health :D
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haha adonis was shitting all over multis the other day, now hes got a guy taken them ahhaha.
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haha adonis was shitting all over multis the other day, now hes got a guy taken them ahhaha.
I left that up to him totally.
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I take it your not doing this for your health???
CRON is the most healthy thing ANYONE can do.
The Adonis Principles incorporate CRON.
CRON is THE ONLY THING ONE CAN DO that will GUARANTEE A LONG, LONG LIFE!
THE ONLY THING!
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Joe, you remember Dr CF Smith? He ate almost exactly like this.
Yeah, Charlie Frank, that crazy f**k used to train at Bill Pearls the same time I was training with Bill and Makkawy, I remember when Dave Shaw almost kick the shit out him.......if you look at his pics from along time ago, you can see he was way ahead of the drug game so he can basically grow by eating whatever!
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Joe, you remember Dr CF Smith? He ate almost exactly like this.
Not to put Adonis down, but this is the way most everyone ate during the ironage era, to the best of my knowledge, there was no such think as a "macro or micro" nutriant..........but I do remember people trying to cut up on Tuna, salads and water!
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Not to put Adonis down, but this is the way most everyone ate during the ironage era, to the best of my knowledge, there was no such think as a "macro or micro" nutriant..........but I do remember people trying to cut up on Tuna, salads and water!
:) Ironagers were a lot smarter than todays crop. That is for sure.
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Yeah, Charlie Frank, that crazy f**k used to train at Bill Pearls the same time I was training with Bill and Makkawy, I remember when Dave Shaw almost kick the shit out him.......if you look at his pics from along time ago, you can see he was way ahead of the drug game so he can basically grow by eating whatever!
I heard he was a lunny F#$k. What did he do?
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Who is this Dr. CF Smith you two speak of?
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Who is this Dr. CF Smith you two speak of?
Joe knows better than I do. BTW, the jury is still out as to whether you live longer by restricting cals. Although I am not a fan at all of over eating cals either.
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Who is this Dr. CF Smith you two speak of?
Behold.....the original "Mouth of the South"..
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/CFSmith.jpg)
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this guy looks great
obviously smart too. a real MD.
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I heard he was a lunny F#$k. What did he do?
Yeah, he was a lunitic, I remember walking in the locker at Pearls and he was shooting his gear right in front of us another time when he was at the America, he was disqualified for pulling his trunks down and mooning the crowed, Dave Shaw almost beat the holy shit out him for calling him the "N" word across the gym....if it wasn't for Bill stepping Smith would have been dead, because Shaw was training with Dave Johns at the time, I was all of 15-16 and I almost pissed my pants, Shaw was about 275 and Johns was about 240!
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this guy looks great
obviously smart too. a real MD.
How this dude ever became a DR. is beyond me!
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How this dude ever became a DR. is beyond me!
Just because someone can read and take a test does not necessarily make them any brighter than the guy you pay to park your car.
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Just because someone can read and take a test does not necessarily make them any brighter than the guy you pay to park your car.
I think he was so smart, he was stupid!
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I think he was so smart, he was stupid!
It's not unusual to have people with "book smarts" who are just idiots.... I've seen it more than just a couple of times in my life.
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Just because someone can read and take a test does not necessarily make them any brighter than the guy you pay to park your car.
hahah That is a good quote TU.
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Yeah, he was a lunitic, I remember walking in the locker at Pearls and he was shooting his gear right in front of us another time when he was at the America, he was disqualified for pulling his trunks down and mooning the crowed, Dave Shaw almost beat the holy shit out him for calling him the "N" word across the gym....if it wasn't for Bill stepping Smith would have been dead, because Shaw was training with Dave Johns at the time, I was all of 15-16 and I almost pissed my pants, Shaw was about 275 and Johns was about 240!
LOL!
Anymore stories?
Where can I find more pictures?
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Contrary to what you believe,
Bodybuilders don`t defy Science and Scientific Laws.
He also believes the World Trade Centers were able to defy Science and Scientific Laws. :o
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jsm.jpg)
Very good Mr. I!
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Look great Joe!
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Joe looks good but the gyno is bad. Dare I say, ALL DRUGS!
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This guy Tweeter could go on survivor for 2 months and look exactly the same as his contest photos with zero weight training...
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This guy Tweeter could go on survivor for 2 months and look exactly the same as his contest photos with zero weight training...
at first I laughed..then I realized that you were right on point.
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This guy Tweeter could go on survivor for 2 months and look exactly the same as his contest photos with zero weight training...
you say this like it's a bad thing. Haven't you noticed that most of the people on Survivor los a lot of fat but maintain their muscle. Haven't you ever wondered why. Doesn't it make you question what you know about nutrition.
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you say this like it's a bad thing. Haven't you noticed that most of the people on Survivor los a lot of fat but maintain their muscle. Haven't you ever wondered why. Doesn't it make you question what you know about nutrition.
from a evolutionary standpoint your wrong. will the body maintain baseline muscle mass-yes. the diffference with bodybuilders are they have hypertrophied muscle which takes many extra calories to maintain, which from this standpoint is a negative. the body will go back to homeostasis if you let it. in starvation conditions excess muscle mass is an extreme negative, less calories equals less muscle. why would the body hold onto extra muscle which is energy suicide?
it wouldn"t the guys on survivor maintained baseline muscle, no one is saying you cant maintain a level of muscle(your body needs it) you just wont maintain any appreciable size hence adonis, and they way you look. both small with little muscle.
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Ok, day 1 is now complete. Here is what I ate and the calories of each item
Trioplex bar 430
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Cheese grits 260
Medium size banana 105
3 eggs w/ 1 slice of cheese 270
Peppermint 10
Chicken Nuggets 210
Total Calories 1795
I also took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium and zinc
Tell us what you drank during the day.
-Hedge
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Id rather do cardio than 30 fucking sets of lifting. TAs shit may work but i feel awful eating foods like that. Indegestion, gas, heartburn etc. When I cut i expect to feel healthy like im doing something good for my body not just creating a calorie deficit.
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Mr. Intense you look great in that photo, can you tell me your height please.
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Id rather do cardio than 30 fucking sets of lifting. TAs shit may work but i feel awful eating foods like that. Indegestion, gas, heartburn etc. When I cut i expect to feel healthy like im doing something good for my body not just creating a calorie deficit.
and you think that starving your body and getting to sub 10% BF is truly healthy long term? ::)
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and you think that starving your body and getting to sub 10% BF is truly healthy long term? ::)
actually eating clean foods really keeps the digestive system in check.even i can't eat that much amount of junk food that TA eats.i start to poop alot
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actually eating clean foods really keeps the digestive system in check.even i can't eat that much amount of junk food that TA eats.i start to poop alot
LOL I have the same damn problem when I eat a lot of crap food. :P
Not to mention that it makes me feel tired and sluggish.
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LOL I have the same damn problem when I eat a lot of crap food. :P
Not to mention that it makes me feel tired and sluggish.
Ever wonder why? Because the body ejects anything it can't use.
Junk Food = The official food of tiny tits worldwide
Quality nutrition = The key to size.
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Id rather do cardio than 30 fucking sets of lifting. TAs shit may work but i feel awful eating foods like that. Indegestion, gas, heartburn etc. When I cut i expect to feel healthy like im doing something good for my body not just creating a calorie deficit.
Myths.
Not a single person has experienced any of that. Why would they? They get to eat their favorite foods.
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actually eating clean foods really keeps the digestive system in check.even i can't eat that much amount of junk food that TA eats.i start to poop alot
Myth.
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Myth.
LOL...so a bigmac is just as healthy as a baked potato?
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from a evolutionary standpoint your wrong. will the body maintain baseline muscle mass-yes. the diffference with bodybuilders are they have hypertrophied muscle which takes many extra calories to maintain, which from this standpoint is a negative. the body will go back to homeostasis if you let it. in starvation conditions excess muscle mass is an extreme negative, less calories equals less muscle. why would the body hold onto extra muscle which is energy suicide?
it wouldn"t the guys on survivor maintained baseline muscle, no one is saying you cant maintain a level of muscle(your body needs it) you just wont maintain any appreciable size hence adonis, and they way you look. both small with little muscle.
Myth.
Where is the muscle that you CLAIM I lost? IT would have came back by now. Each time I had dieted before, using the Traditional methods I was a bit smaller. So by your rationale I must have lost alot more muscle on the previous diets if you believe I lost muscle just recently.
The truth is. I lost no muscle.
Dead wrong you are.
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LOL...so a bigmac is just as healthy as a baked potato?
Healthier than a 6 oz chicken breasat Cholesterol wise.
I don`t think that you understand that in a calorie restricted diet, it is IMPOSSIBLE to exceed high levels of any macro-Nutrient. This makes my method VERY,VERY, VERY healthy.
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Healthier than a 6 oz chicken breasat Cholesterol wise.
I don`t think that you understand that in a calorie restricted diet, it is IMPOSSIBLE to exceed high levels of any macro-Nutrient. This makes my method VERY,VERY, VERY healthy.
The problem is I DO know.....especially when I review my clients health history profile and he/she is already on a cal restricted diet and the diet doesn't coinside with the blood panal results, I don't think YOU understand what you get yourself (or anyone) into unless you know where you client stands, if he/she already has high cholesterol your not going to continue to provide high cholesterol foods in that persons diet and it's not going to simply go down by restricting the caloric intake!
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The problem is I DO know.....especially when I review my clients health history profile and he/she is already on a cal restricted diet and the diet doesn't coinside with the blood panal results, I don't think YOU understand what you get yourself (or anyone) into unless you know where you client stands, if he/she already has high cholesterol your not going to continue to provide high cholesterol foods in that persons diet and it's not going to simply go down by restricting the caloric intake!
A 6 ounce Chicken Breast has higher Cholesterol than a Big Mac. :)
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TA, do you start everyone at 1800 calories, no matter what their size or activity level?
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A 6 ounce Chicken Breast has higher Cholesterol than a Big Mac. :)
This is true... I hate it when you're right though. :D
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http://www.dietbites.com/Foods-Nutrition-Index/chicken-breast.html
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
Hate to ruin the love fest!
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http://www.dietbites.com/Foods-Nutrition-Index/chicken-breast.html
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
Hate to ruin the love fest!
You are wrong.
Try www.calorieking.com
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Cholesterol 99 mg 33% 6 Oz. Chicken Breast
Cholesterol 75 mg 25% Big Mac
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lol what a shit diet. Eating that garbage you get in like 2 meals a day. Skeletors minion has arrived lol.
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The site that I pulled the McDonalds from was from their site......260mg, someone is wrong and I don't think it's McDonalds!
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The site that I pulled the McDonalds from was from their site......260mg, someone is wrong and I don't think it's McDonalds!
EXACTLY.
Re read the link from Mcdonalds.
It states Cholesterol in a Big Mac EXACTLY as I did.
Look under the heading Big Mac
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
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A well cooked, seasoned chicken breast will usually taste better than the cheap, horrible processed beef found in a Bigmac, pointless argument over shitty tasting food ::)
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The site that I pulled the McDonalds from was from their site......260mg, someone is wrong and I don't think it's McDonalds!
Are you going to admit that you FAILED to read the chart correctly?
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A well cooked, seasoned chicken breast will usually taste better than the cheap, horrible processed beef found in a Bigmac, pointless argument over shitty tasting food ::)
The beef is not processed. What the hell does processed mean anyway? There are no additives. Seasoned only with Salt and Pepper.
Stop spreading lies.
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Are you going to admit that you FAILED to read the chart correctly?
Yes, I miss read it.....I was reading the Calories from fat.......260, almost half from fat!
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Yes, I miss read it.....I was reading the Calories from fat.......260, almost half from fat!
So you can admit that you were wrong and that in fact a Big Mac has LESS Cholesterol than a 6 OZ. Chicken Breast.
Just so we are clear.
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So you can admit that you were wrong and that in fact a Big Mac has LESS Cholesterol than a 6 OZ. Chicken Breast.
Just so we are clear.
We are clear, but even though it is lower, it's mostly LDL (bad cholesterol) and since almost half of the calories are from fat, it's bound to raise cholesterol levels.....so bigmacs are out for people who want to live longer!
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We are clear, but even though it is lower, it's mostly LDL (bad cholesterol) and since almost half of the calories are from fat, it's bound to raise cholesterol levels.....so bigmacs are out for people who want to live longer!
Again, Since we are in a calorie restricted enviroment, the potential for high fat is not feasible and is completely removed, hence high cholesterol is olbiterated.
Calculate the Macros for ANY PERSON I work with.
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TA, do you start everyone at 1800 calories, no matter what their size or activity level?
BUMP for an answer....
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Again, Since we are in a calorie restricted enviroment, the potential for high fat is not feasible and is completely removed, hence high cholesterol is olbiterated.
Calculate the Macros for ANY PERSON I work with.
it absolulty is feasable from a health standpoint, if the daily recommendation is 25gr and you have 30gr in just one serving (big mac for example) in one meal and those 30gr consists of mostly LDL....what does that tell you?
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BUMP for an answer....
No.
I don`t.
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No.
I don`t.
Is it just coincidence that Chase, Tweeter, and Bulky are all eating 1800 calories? If they aren't, how many are they on??
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Is it just coincidence that Chase, Tweeter, and Bulky are all eating 1800 calories? If they aren't, how many are they on??
Who is Bulky?
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The beef is not processed. What the hell does processed mean anyway? There are no additives. Seasoned only with Salt and Pepper.
Stop spreading lies.
They use different cuts of beef in their patties, these are mixed together. As they don't use any binders they have to mix the beef into a texture that makes it stick together, which ruins any texture the mince might have had. The cuts they use are nowhere near the nicest cuts of beef you get, nowhere close in fact.
Stop spreading lies that McDonalds is tasty...its not :)
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Who is Bulky?
Bulky is Case Study #3, which TA has started over at the MD Boards for whatever reason. I hate the fact that these threads are located in two different places.
And as far as I know, all three of them are very different size/shape, and all three of them are on 1800 calories as a "baseline."
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Bulky is Case Study #3, which TA has started over at the MD Boards for whatever reason. I hate the fact that these threads are located in two different places.
And as far as I know, all three of them are very different size/shape, and all three of them are on 1800 calories as a "baseline."
Thanks. I can't believe you would do anything for those ungrateful bastards now that they have banned you TA ???
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you dudes are forgetting that a Big Mac contains a paper thin slice of meat with holes in it.
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you dudes are forgetting that a Big Mac contains a paper thin slice of meat with holes in it.
They put holes in them now? They are copying White Castle.
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They put holes in them now? They are copying White Castle.
yes several actually. I think its from all the bullet holes in the cows.
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Myths.
Not a single person has experienced any of that. Why would they? They get to eat their favorite foods.
How is that a myth. If i eat cheese burgers and shit i get heartburn and gas.
Truth.
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and you think that starving your body and getting to sub 10% BF is truly healthy long term? ::)
Much better than being a fatass long term. I didnt know there were associated health risks with being skinny.
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They use different cuts of beef in their patties, these are mixed together. As they don't use any binders they have to mix the beef into a texture that makes it stick together, which ruins any texture the mince might have had. The cuts they use are nowhere near the nicest cuts of beef you get, nowhere close in fact.
Stop spreading lies that McDonalds is tasty...its not :)
Wrong. Stop with the LIES and the propagation of myths.
Totally wrong. All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.
As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality
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Wrong. Stop with the LIES and the propagation of myths.
Totally wrong. All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.
As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality
fool!
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Healthier than a 6 oz chicken breasat Cholesterol wise.
I don`t think that you understand that in a calorie restricted diet, it is IMPOSSIBLE to exceed high levels of any macro-Nutrient. This makes my method VERY,VERY, VERY healthy.
So tell me exactly what is new with all of this?
I know persons who has lost 130 lbs on four months of VLCD-diets.
What is the new thing? What is the "principle"?
-Hedge
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So tell me exactly what is new with all of this?
I know persons who has lost 130 lbs on four months of VLCD-diets.
What is the new thing? What is the "principle"?
-Hedge
Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want.
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TA, can you explain a little bit about this "baseline" period? (one month?)
Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight? (1800 no?)
And what "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
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Hey Joe,CF Smith wasn`t an MD,he was a chiropractor ..............ate a lot of McDonalds food,but as you said,I think he was doing a shitlosad of juice compared to most and just had a great metabolism and genetics.
Never saw a bad pic of the guy.
Lucky Shaw didn`t get him is an understatement.......... .Dave was humongous and incredibly strong.
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more and more postive feedback still there are some ignorant fatties out there who will never listen. but its too easy! I have utilized these principles for years since my early days back in the mid 90's as posted on elitefitness.com, and you know what my physique is still top notch
to diet eat little as possible no matter what to lose pounds wether you are eating 2 ice cream cones and a tripple cheesburger or whatever
to gain eat a much as possible
as a natural you gain most of your muscle in the first 2 years of training anyways very little is gained after that
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are you saying you invented the Adonis principles?
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are you saying you invented the Adonis principles?
Adonis is the greek god of male superiority, only true gods on earth have this intuition of the adonis principles and the true adonis is one of them!
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are you saying you invented the Adonis principles?
God gives all men the tools. Adonis just happens to be better then God
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God gives all men the tools. Adonis just happens to be better then God
God is a race or two below. This is true.
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God is a race or two below. This is true.
seriuously adonis why do we have to be so much better than anyone else. it brings a tear to my eye, i want to help the unfortunate
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Wrong. Stop with the LIES and the propagation of myths.
Totally wrong. All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.
As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality
Were I am lying? They use the flank and the Front of the animal, not the best or close to being the best cuts of the beef, they use no binder so the mince has to be processed to a texture so it doesn't fall apart. The texture of a McDonalds burger is different from what you would expect if you made the burger yourself. Every supermarket sells 100 percent quality ensured beef, doesn't make it taste good ::) And do you work for McDonalds or just google stuff with all the "we" shit? Every food company has that crap...doesn't mean they have nice food. I couldn't give a shit about the nutrient contents of a Bigmac, they do not taste nice.
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Were I am lying? They use the flank and the Front of the animal, not the best or close to being the best cuts of the beef, they use no binder so the mince has to be processed to a texture so it doesn't fall apart. The texture of a McDonalds burger is different from what you would expect if you made the burger yourself. Every supermarket sells 100 percent quality ensured beef, doesn't make it taste good ::) And do you work for McDonalds or just google stuff with all the "we" shit? Every food company has that crap...doesn't mean they have nice food. I couldn't give a shit about the nutrient contents of a Bigmac, they do not taste nice.
But a Quarter pounder with cheese is de shiznit!
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Were I am lying? They use the flank and the Front of the animal, not the best or close to being the best cuts of the beef, they use no binder so the mince has to be processed to a texture so it doesn't fall apart. The texture of a McDonalds burger is different from what you would expect if you made the burger yourself. Every supermarket sells 100 percent quality ensured beef, doesn't make it taste good ::) And do you work for McDonalds or just google stuff with all the "we" shit? Every food company has that crap...doesn't mean they have nice food. I couldn't give a shit about the nutrient contents of a Bigmac, they do not taste nice.
You are wrong.
The burgers there are just ground beef, salt and pepper. No additives. No preservatives.
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MCDonalds is the largest Beef Buyer in the world.
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MCDonalds is the largest Beef Buyer in the world.
They would have to be... They have served 231432490834098234.3 billion.
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But a Quarter pounder with cheese is de shiznit!
Not really, anyone could make nicer tasting food than McDonalds or Bugger Ming or any other fast food restaurant. Go out and buy good quality ingredients. Covering tasteless beef with tomato sauce and mayonnaise does not make for a good burger :)
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You are wrong.
The burgers there are just ground beef, salt and pepper. No additives. No preservatives.
How am I wrong? There website says where there cuts come from. You think mince just sticks together magically. Tasteless beef with salt and paper, yum, yum, that's a tasty burger ::)
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Not really, anyone could make nicer tasting food than McDonalds or Bugger Ming or any other fast food restaurant. Go out and buy good quality ingredients. Covering tasteless beef with tomato sauce and mayonnaise does not make for a good burger :)
I dunno man... to me, there's just something tasty about that McDonalds burger patty... Cheese, mustard, ketchup (catsup), and a pickle. No onions please...
I don't know why... if I'm gonna eat a burger, that's just the one I want.
All the "better burgers" really don't taste better... not to "me" at least. Which is who counts when I'm eating.
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Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
How does the formula work?
-Hedge
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How am I wrong? There website says where there cuts come from. You think mince just sticks together magically. Tasteless beef with salt and paper, yum, yum, that's a tasty burger ::)
Show me.
I am looking on the same WEBSITE and it DOES NOT say that at all.
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I dunno man... to me, there's just something tasty about that McDonalds burger patty... Cheese, mustard, ketchup (catsup), and a pickle. No onions please...
I don't know why... if I'm gonna eat a burger, that's just the one I want.
All the "better burgers" really don't taste better... not to "me" at least. Which is who counts when I'm eating.
Post some of your old competition pics.
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Post some of your old competition pics.
I don't compete... why would you ask me that?
I just said I like Quarter Pounders with cheese on the rare occasions that I do eat at mcdonald's, which is like once every couple of months or whatever when i get a craving.
Should I ask you to post yours now?
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I don't compete... why would you ask me that?
I just said I like Quarter Pounders with cheese on the rare occasions that I do eat at mcdonald's, which is like once every couple of months or whatever when i get a craving.
Should I ask you to post yours now?
Debussey was talking about the old "suck as many dicks as you can in 1 hour" competition you did last year in Malaysia.
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Debussey was talking about the old "suck as many dicks as you can in 1 hour" competition you did last year in Malaysia.
Riiight... so what you're saying is I should just disagree with everyone and be an ass even if I don't really think that way right?
Funny, if I agreed that McDonald's was shit, then I'd be lying, but you wouldn't think I'm sucking anyone's dick... Well I just better change my opinions just for you.
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So you can admit that you were wrong and that in fact a Big Mac has LESS Cholesterol than a 6 OZ. Chicken Breast.
Just so we are clear.
DUH!!!!
Of course, six ounces of PURE MEAT is going to have more cholesterol than a modest-sized hamburger, 3 oz of which (and that's being gracious) is meat.
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Well I just better change my opinions just for you.
Of course you need to. Do it right away you fat gullible little Santa Claus.
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Of course you need to. Do it right away you fat gullible little Santa Claus.
Ho Ho Ho!
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Ho Ho Ho!
That is more like it. :)
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That is more like it. :)
Seriously though... You don't think McDonald's burgers are pretty tasty?
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Seriously though... You don't think McDonald's burgers are pretty tasty?
Why do they put holes in them now? I didn't even know that until NYCBull posted it earlier. I used to like them, but I don't think I would like them if they are like Sliders. :-\
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Seriously though... You don't think McDonald's burgers are pretty tasty?
Debussey loves MacDonalds. Never said otherwise. :)
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Why do they put holes in them now? I didn't even know that until NYCBull posted it earlier. I used to like them, but I don't think I would like them if they are like Sliders. :-\
I thought that was just a groove from the little patty press thing when they press them at the burger patty factory... Learn something everyday.
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Debussey loves MacDonalds. Never said otherwise. :)
That's what I'm talkin' about!
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TA, can you explain a little bit about this "baseline" period? (one month?)
Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight? (1800 no?)
And what "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
BUMP this since I am SURE that you are not ignoring my questions.
;)
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it absolulty is feasable from a health standpoint, if the daily recommendation is 25gr and you have 30gr in just one serving (big mac for example) in one meal and those 30gr consists of mostly LDL....what does that tell you?
Hello?
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BUMP this since I am SURE that you are not ignoring my questions.
;)
Bump 4 rip as she asks good questions!
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Not really, anyone could make nicer tasting food than McDonalds or Bugger Ming or any other fast food restaurant. Go out and buy good quality ingredients. Covering tasteless beef with tomato sauce and mayonnaise does not make for a good burger :)
Agree 100%. Those arguing against are beyond me. Makes no sense. Who the fcuk would willingly eat at McD's, let alone advocate doing so, when so much better quality, better prepared, better tasting food is available almost anywhere? ???
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tweeter are you aspiring to look like this?
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seriuously adonis why do we have to be so much better than anyone else. it brings a tear to my eye, i want to help the unfortunate
join the red cross,or become a mormon then.
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the proofs in the puddin, haha this pic is epic
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Here is what I ate today:
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Gum 15
2 caramel apple suckers 120
T.V. dinner: salsbury steak & macaroni & cheese 370
Mentos 75
2 instant oatmeal packets 200
Large apple 110
Chicken nuggets 250
Ghirardelli chocolate 110
Ben & Jerry's 40
Total Calories = 1800
I took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium & zinc. I drank water, diet coke, and diet mountain dew.
VERY GOOD!
Keep up the EASY work.
You will be 3 percent in no time and with ZERO MUSCLE LOSS!
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seriuously adonis why do we have to be so much better than anyone else. it brings a tear to my eye, i want to help the unfortunate
The ignorant cannot be helped my friend.
America is probably the most ignorant of all civilized countries.
They still believe in a mysterious skywatcher. haha
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I feel great; its too easy!
you either have the downs as its called in the retard circles or are/is having relations with adonis.
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I feel great; its too easy!
Wait until they see all of us at 3 percent with Zero Muscle loss....
Of course they will be in disbelief which is EXACTLY what I want.
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The ignorant cannot be helped my friend.
America is probably the most ignorant of all civilized countries.
They still believe in a mysterious skywatcher. haha
neither the dellusional... how many hours online today? 4 or 5? Staying up all night again posting?
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The ignorant cannot be helped my friend.
America is probably the most ignorant of all civilized countries.
They still believe in a mysterious skywatcher. haha
hhahah can you help me look like i have advanced aids?
einstein did.
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Wait until they see all of us at 3 percent with Zero Muscle loss....
Of course they will be in disbelief which is EXACTLY what I want.
dude you made it to 8% and had no muscle please stop the ignorance, read a book.
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Here is what I ate today:
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Gum 15
2 caramel apple suckers 120
T.V. dinner: salsbury steak & macaroni & cheese 370
Mentos 75
2 instant oatmeal packets 200
Large apple 110
Chicken nuggets 250
Ghirardelli chocolate 110
Ben & Jerry's 40
Total Calories = 1800
I took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium & zinc. I drank water, diet coke, and diet mountain dew.
I swear to God if this works I'm livin on chocolate the rest of my life ;D What did you have at B&J that was only 40 cal?
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I also discovered Ben and Jerry's Black and Tan today which is one of my new favorite flavors.
hahhah yes!
Also, Ben and Jerry`s Vanilla is awesome for making your own combinations.
Simply add all the ingredients and mix. Don`t forget to calculate Accordingly.
Try my recipe:
The Adonis Elixir of Ripped
1 Vanilla Ben and Jerry`s
4-5 Ritz Crackers
Melt 1/2 Godiva Chocolate bar and pour in.
Mix altogether in the pint and freeze
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dude you made it to 8% and had no muscle please stop the ignorance, read a book.
I am 4 percent right now. Most likely 3.
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epic delusional disorders....kinda like anorexic chicks that think they are fat....adonis thinks he is a mass monster.
I recently saw this same pic in the mirriam webster's dictionary under "hardgainer"
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I swear to God if this works I'm livin on chocolate the rest of my life ;D What did you have at B&J that was only 40 cal?
I was wondering the same thing
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People enjoy bashing Adonis' physique but I'd wager my left nut that he looks better than 99% of the board.
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I was wondering the same thing
I got excited for a second. :-[
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Wrong. Stop with the LIES and the propagation of myths.
Totally wrong. All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.
As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality
I i didn't know better...One would think that you work for McDonalds...
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the proofs in the puddin, haha this pic is epic
i wanna pelt that with anadrol pills...
or buy it some food..
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Here is what I ate today:
Quarter pounder w/ cheese 510
Gum 15
2 caramel apple suckers 120
T.V. dinner: salsbury steak & macaroni & cheese 370
Mentos 75
2 instant oatmeal packets 200
Large apple 110
Chicken nuggets 250
Ghirardelli chocolate 110
Ben & Jerry's 40
Total Calories = 1800
I took a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium magnesium & zinc. I drank water, diet coke, and diet mountain dew.
High blood pressure doesn't run in you family by any chance does it??
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I i didn't know better...One would think that you work for McDonalds...
He does. He lives with his parents, and works as an assistant manager at a McDonald's in Bumfucck, NC... or at least that's what I heard.
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why do you ask?
...........if you don't now, you will.......trust me!
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I am 4 percent right now. Most likely 3.
I call bullshit. Nobody is that low for longer than the day of a show. You're probably 6-7 at best, which is lower than most people maintain at, so nothing wrong with it, but 3?? Gimme a break! ::)
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The food he's eating isn't half bad for just a regular guy. Unfortunately, people who workout and want to make gains aren't regular.
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I can check it once a week and post it if you all would like
Go to your local Fire Dept. It's free and accurate!
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The fire department?...never heard of that. Are the ones they have in the pharmacy section at Wal-Mart accurate?
I really don't trust the one's that at a pharmacy, yes, the fire dept will check it!
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I really don't trust the one's that at a pharmacy, yes, the fire dept will check it!
Fireman: "What are you doing in here, kid?"
Tweeter: "I'm here to get my blood pressure checked."
Fireman: "What the hell does this look like, a walk-in clinic? What ever gave you the idea you could get your blood pressure checked here?"
Tweeter: "Well, this guy on the internet said..."
Fireman: " ::) If some guy on the internet told you to eat ice cream to lose weight, I suppose you'd do that too?"
Tweeter: "Uhhhhh..."
Fireman: "Get the hell out of here before I toss you out!"
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Fireman: "What are you doing in here, kid?"
Tweeter: "I'm here to get my blood pressure checked."
Fireman: "What the hell does this look like, a walk-in clinic? What ever gave you the idea you could get your blood pressure checked here?"
Tweeter: "Well, this guy on the internet said..."
Fireman: " ::) If some guy on the internet told you to eat ice cream to lose weight, I suppose you'd do that too?"
Tweeter: "Uhhhhh..."
Fireman: "Get the hell out of here before I toss you out!"
It's part of their service...at least in Cali!
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Wait until they see all of us at 3 percent with Zero Muscle loss....
Of course they will be in disbelief which is EXACTLY what I want.
you have never been nor will you ever be 3% bf without drugs.
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I am 4 percent right now. Most likely 3.
you are tripping.
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tweeter are you aspiring to look like this?
what the fuck is wrong with his legs?
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Just to let everyone know, I will be posting updated pics each sunday. If anyone else has any ideas for this thread, let me know; I want to make this as interesting and informative as possible.
Hey tweet, how's your hunger on this diet?
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He does. He lives with his parents, and works as an assistant manager at a McDonald's in Bumfucck, NC... or at least that's what I heard.
I copied and pasted that from their website.
How long have you worked at MCdonalds?
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adonis why are your ears so fucking big???
haha adonis, look at all the gimmick accounts these queerfucks have to create just to attack you! haha monster obsession
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haha adonis, look at all the gimmick accounts these queerfucks have to create just to attack you! haha monster obsession
and who the fuck are you - TA's boyfriend?!
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and who the f**k are you - TA's boyfriend?!
It's Adonis's gimmick account criticizing someone else's gimmick account. Clever huh?
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It's part of their service...at least in Cali!
People in cali would use the fire dept for something like that. ;)
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It's part of their service...at least in Cali!
It certainly is... Most "firemen" are also EMTs and first responders in medical situations now...
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hahahah The Heckler is adonis....
is this a picture you drew of your boyfriend?
(http://www.flatbiller.com/media/brofile.gif)
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hahahah The Heckler is adonis....
Funny how the myth continues to grow.
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is this a picture you drew of your boyfriend?
(http://www.flatbiller.com/media/brofile.gif)
i should've figure that out earlier - Rich Gainihgler is another lame TA's gimick. GET A LIFE you pathetic piece of shit..... ;D
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A lotta hate around here... a lotta hate.
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Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight?
What "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
-Hedge
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Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight?
What "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
-Hedge
because the trans warp fibrillator combined with the gamma foundation radiation of the nebula is a proton factor, which equals 8100 calories given a status baseline
c'mon Hedge, everyone knows that..and just as accurate as adonis' calculations
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because the trans warp fibrillator combined with the gamma foundation radiation of the nebula is a proton factor, which equals 8100 calories given a status baseline
Is that from star trek?
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Is that from star trek?
I am afraid that I cannot reveal anymore of the "adonis" principle..
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I am afraid that I cannot reveal anymore of the "adonis" principle..
AHAHAH
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This shit is nothing more than weight watchers or jenny craig with a new name. Burn more than you take in you lose weight, doesnt matter what the food is. Jesus all the threads dedicated to this are mind boggling. Where is the argument here, (well besides the muscle loss thing)? TA has created a fucking whirlwind of a shitstorm around himself and everyone seems to want to jump in. PLEASE STOP WITH THE TA THREADS!!!!PLEASE!!!!
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Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight?
What "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
-Hedge
Great questions Hedge!! ;)
I would add....WTF does someone have to do to get a relevant question addressed in this thread? ;D
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Great questions Hedge!! ;)
I would add....WTF does someone have to do to get a relevant question addressed in this thread? ;D
I`ll answer when I have a bit more time.
Got some work to do.
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Why are all three of your case studies eating the same number of calories right now despite their differing size and weight?
What "baseline" are you trying to evaluate? What are your indicators?
-Hedge
Better yet, what formula are you using to come up with your numbers?
Just for everyone's info......this type of eating is just a calorie controlled diet not designed for bodybuilding purposes, it's been around for years, exept now the calorie controlled diets are more health oriented. The Zone Diet is a perfect example!
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Better yet, what formula are you using to come up with your numbers?
Just for everyone's info......this type of eating is just a calorie controlled diet not designed for bodybuilding purposes, it's been around for years, exept now the calorie controlled diets are more health oriented. The Zone Diet is a perfect example!
Scroll back and re-read about my formula that I have determined.
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Scroll back and re-read about my formula that I have determined.
This thread is 14 pages, I don't have time to scroll through 400 posts.....enlighten me!
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Hopefully this will help. This is a quote from TA earlier in the thread:
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
Forty-eight ounces of muscle is only THREE POUNDS. There are PLENTY of trainers (drug-free ones, I might add), who can put on WAAAAAAAY more muscle than that, eating 350 grams of protein every day for a year.
That's part of the problem. Exactly who said that natural bodybuilders average only three lbs. of muscle per year?
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Forty-eight ounces of muscle is only THREE POUNDS. There are PLENTY of trainers (drug-free ones, I might add), who can put on WAAAAAAAY more muscle than that, eating 350 grams of protein every day for a year.
That's part of the problem. Exactly who said that natural bodybuilders average only three lbs. of muscle per year?
Give me a maximum and a minimum.
Also, keep in mind, in the History of Mankind there never has been anyone LIFETIME NATURAL, under 6 ft, 200 lbs ripped at 3 percent.
1000 dollars if you can find me 3 such specimens
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Forty-eight ounces of muscle is only THREE POUNDS. There are PLENTY of trainers (drug-free ones, I might add), who can put on WAAAAAAAY more muscle than that, eating 350 grams of protein every day for a year.
That's part of the problem. Exactly who said that natural bodybuilders average only three lbs. of muscle per year?
after watching blood and guts, in his prime gaining years, dorian yates was only putting on about 5 lbs of lean muscle a year.
if you think 3 lbs isn't a lot, go to the store and pick up a 3 lb piece of lean meat. it's HUGE.
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Hopefully this will help. This is a quote from TA earlier in the thread:
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
.........so whats the formula?
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.........so whats the formula?
Trade Secret.
Watch for the revelation in real time with Tweeter.
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Trade Secret.
Watch for the revelation in real time with Tweeter.
I thought so!
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PLEASE STOP WITH THE TA THREADS!!!!PLEASE!!!!
You're more than welcome to leave, you fvcking goof. After all, you contribute absolutely nothing of substance to this site.
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because the trans warp fibrillator combined with the gamma foundation radiation of the nebula is a proton factor, which equals 8100 calories given a status baseline
c'mon Hedge, everyone knows that..and just as accurate as adonis' calculations
trans warp drive?
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trans warp drive?
Same thing as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_Drive
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TA, congratulations on your new pupil. He doesnt know how lucky he is.
im laughin so hard i woke up my woman,,,this is the sentence of the year!!!
i havent heard the word pupil in 10 years ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Today's Diet:
Captain crunch w/ milk 340
Gum 10
T.V. dinner - baked chicken and mashed potatoes 250
Coffee w/ skim milk 45
Ben & Jerry's Black and Tan 230
Lean Pocket 270
Large apple 110
Caramel apple sucker 60
Ghirardelli chocolate 55
Cheese grits 260
Fried chicken tender 105
Starburst 60
Airborne (immune support) 5
Total Calories = 1,800
Today's workout:
Lat pulldowns 4 sets
Pullovers 3 sets
Seated cable rows 3 sets
Hyperextensions 4 sets
Reverse pec deck (rear delts) 3 sets
Hammer strength bicep curl 3 sets
Barbell curls 3 sets
Preacher curls 4 sets
Perfection my friend. Perfection.
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My digital scale has a bodyfat calculator built into it but I am not sure how accurate it is. However, I would think as long as I measure it the same way each time and simply look at the difference, it would be fairly accurate.
those scales are not accurate for bodybuilders,,last time i stepped on one my bf% was 34%,,avoid it
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those scales are not accurate for bodybuilders,,last time i stepped on one my bf% was 34%,,avoid it
What do BF% do you mantain?
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those scales are not accurate for bodybuilders,,last time i stepped on one my bf% was 34%,,avoid it
Impedence on a scale is not accurate for anyone. Water testing is accurate up to about 95%.
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Impedence on a scale is not accurate for anyone. Water testing is accurate up to about 95%.
This is true... I know I've got a few pounds, but the last time I used a home "impedance" fat monitor... it was WAY off.
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Here is what I prepared yesterday for myself and Jezebelle:
Goat Cheese Gallette.
The Olives on top are the Best! I handmade the dough and everything.
Wonderful cuisine from France!
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Here is what I prepared yesterday for myself and Jezebelle:
Goat Cheese Gallette.
The Olives on top are the Best! I handmade the dough and everything.
Wonderful cuisine from France!
Looks tasty... I will have to try it some time.
Tell Jezebelle "Tu thinks you're a hottie".
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Here is what I prepared yesterday for myself and Jezebelle:
Goat Cheese Gallette.
The Olives on top are the Best! I handmade the dough and everything.
Wonderful cuisine from France!
Jeez you would think you could find better pics than that off the net. Anyway, are you sure you both split a plate of this
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So whats the time period with this case study here Adonis? Are we talkin 6 months? 3 months and what conditioning is tweeter aiming for? 6% bf? There has to be some sort of time period in which these principals according to his bodyfat are going to be effective. Classic 12 week diet?
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Sounds reasonable. Ill have to agree with Adonis in that I feel the same way with my experiences in dieting. My strength directly fluctuates with my weight and BF%. I was doing low-no carbs but couldnt keep that going because I found myself crashing frequently. I find that if I just make an effort to get in a decent amount of protein and control my portions I lose weight just fine and my measurements stay big. I was raised on quality food though, chicken, beef, noodles, mashed potatos so the desire to eat ice cream and chocolate doesnt happen with me.
BTW, what was your start weight at Tweeter?
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I am going to start out with some everyday people for now then move up the scale to even Pro Bodybuilder and real world athletes as I have gotten requests from them as well.
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OK, now, carry on, please. :D
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tweeter...are you skipping breakfast? and holding off eating until later in the day?
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I continue to feel good on this diet and had plenty of energy to complete my workout; I even played a little basketball after I was done. Today was the first day where I really noticed a visible change, which is always motivating.
dude your going risking your health.
the total lack of vitamins and minerals in your diet is cause for concern, your macronutrients are horrible. not to mention co-factors, phytonutrients etc.
are also missing alot of healthy fats which are essential.
ADONIS if you dont mind, whats your theory on the astronomical rise in disease(degenerative, autoimmune) in the last few decades?
i would venture that as food gets poorer(exemplified by the above diet) the body is overloaded, and underloaded hence the rise in the disease rates. i wouldnt reckon that the gene pool has gotten poored in only 40 years, thats impossible. any ideas?
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Tweeter,
I'd like to see weekly pictures of your results.
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Very nice....I'm looking forward to the results. ;D
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Very nice....I'm looking forward to the results. ;D
You will not be disappointed.
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You will not be disappointed.
Looking good Tweeter!
Keep it up.
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Saturday, February 3:
DiGiornos pizza 670
Caramel apple pop 60
Starburst 40
Ghirardelli chocolate 55
Vegetable beef soup 225
Crackers 160
Dove chocolate 42
Popcorn 95
Chocolate multivitamin 20
Gum 5
Doritos 280
Ice cream w/ chocolate syrup 340
Total calories = 1,992
As you can see, I went a little over my limit. I will subsequently reduce my calories the next couple days to bring my average back to 1,800. This was also an off day, so no training information to post.
I have taught you well!
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2/6/07:
Weight = 194.4 lbs
Popcorn 100
Fried chicken tenders 315
Macaroni & cheese 220
Snickers 280
Lean pocket 280
Coffee w/ skim milk 60
Airborne (immune support) 5
DiGiorno pizza 405
Gum 5
Large apple 110
Starburst 20
Total = 1,800 calories
how many slices of pizza is DiGiorno pizza 405
also what is the size of the popcorn and tenders?
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I would add to this diet some weight training asap its clear why you are losing no muscle.
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Looking good, keep up the good work!
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2/7/2007:
Weight = 193.0 lbs
Ben & Jerry's 380
Captain Crunch 80
Oreo ice cream 320
Airborne 5
Popcorn 100
10 oz. sirloin 450
Caesar salad 465
Total calories = 1,800
i have to see the results on this pupil ;D,,post some pictures in couple months my friend,, i wanna see if i can follow this diet offseason none stop ;D ;D this is what i calll full satisfied belly every day ;D
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i have to see the results on this pupil ;D,,post some pictures in couple months my friend,, i wanna see if i can follow this diet offseason none stop ;D ;D this is what i calll full satisfied belly every day ;D
You are joking right!!?? Anybody doing some serious heavy workouts would dwindle away to a POW type (Adonis) physique on this diet within a month or 2 (Natural). Its ok for somebody roided up to the gills maybe. Hell, the steak salad and ice cream is one meal and it is well over half the guys daily calories!! Enjoy your Austwitz appearance once you finish this diet !!
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Comng right along Perfectly!
We all Look forward to the pics!
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hey Tweeter & TA.. mad props for the changes.. I got a question? Did you change your training at all or was it just a dietry change?
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:)
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I just found this thread again, I just figured tweeter was another hoax. ::)
HOW are you not starving? Aren't you hungry? is there something wrong with your metabolism?
Wouldn't you prefer a greater amount of less calorie dense food?
TA, you never addressed any of the questions re. this "baseline" and wtf it is you are trying to evaluate here. All of these guys are big enough that they will lose weight on this diet despite whatever they may choose to eat.
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tweeter:
1. What's your goal that you are working towards?
2. Care to explain how your meals are consumed throughout the day?
3. Is your exact meal plan everyday designed by Adonis?
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Tweeter thanks for the information. Getting TA to provide any info has been like pulling teeth lately.
What does your typical day look like? How active are you other than your workouts?
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From your pics, your chest is your best bodypart. It has that nice square shape.
I'd be interested to know the amount of calories (or protein/fat/carbs) he suggests daily based on your bodyweight, if you'd care to release the info when it's given.
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if u do heavy deads, barbell rows
heavy dumbell shoulder press
and compound free weights
...should get ur mass and muscularity up big time.
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Tweeter, can you also start posting the time of day when you eat?
Your food list for 2/12 only contains like maybe 2 real meals in it.
315 cals of "assorted candy"????
Thanks for the info. your progress pics look good.
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Okay, I will post all the times for today. And, if you would like to know, the "assorted candy" included jelly belly's, sour gummi worms, and sour apple rings ;D
At my high school canteen, we used to have this bag for like $.50 of apple rings and all sorts of candy. Yummy as hell.
Hey Tweets, are you entering the Mr. Getbig?
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Okay, I will post all the times for today. And, if you would like to know, the "assorted candy" included jelly belly's, sour gummi worms, and sour apple rings ;D
It would be helpful to know how you spread the meals out and when you eat relative when you wake up and your workout, etc.
So you survived the day eating one meal of steak and rice, some instant oatmeal, some pizza bites, popcorn and ice cream?
Was the assorted candy your pre-workout meal? ;)
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Yeah, to tell you the truth I have gotten to where I really don't get very hungry anymore; it seems as if my stomach itself is actually shrinking; the only problem is once I start eating that Ben & Jerry's its hard to stop.
No, I just went home to my parents the other day and my mom had a bunch of candy over there so I helped myself. I actually didn't workout yesterday; I had planned to but just got too busy.
Its funny, I know ALL obesity stems from neuroticism and/or ignorance. Nothing else. The human body is meant to eat in the manner that Tweeter is eating.
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I'm not really talking about obesity here.
Thanks again for the info tweeter, keep it up, I'm interested to see how things go. As you lose weight, you should start to get hungrier.
TA...where's BULKY these days? ::)
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You're taking no vitimin supps no fresh fruits no efa's fibre I bet you're constipated and smell like old men and brocoli your diet sucks to high heaven even if you end up at 8% bf you won't be healthy I'd like to watch the intesity of your work out as you can't be functioning at nearly what your capable of. Before you jump off on one I am a Boxer and have to cut weight for fights I know how to get down to single digits and still have to do extremly grueling work outs and lots of cardio I can't imagine how shit you must feel.
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I take a multivitamin, vitamin c, and calcium, magnesium, and zinc everyday.
According to TA
all supplements
are crap and useless.
::)
Why are you taking them?
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Tweeter is to do No Cardio.
No Supplements.
Owned.
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Well, I guess if you want to get really technical, then you are right...I am breaking the original paramaters of the diet by taking vitamins and mineral supplements. However, despite the fact that TA did not clearly specifiy exactly he meant by "supplement", I do not believe that he was referring to vitamins and minerals. I have always taken these and, therefore, there would be no logical reason to discontinue their use upon implementation of the Adonis Principles. But nevertheless, it appears you have "owned" TA and I fairly bad ::)
I'm just saying, you're not following his principles to a tee, so your results aren't a direct result of his principles (which are already vague). If you have any clear-cut paramaters, feel free to say what they are. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of BS for Adonis to get his name out there.
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Tweeter, you had an apple at 9 AM yesterday and then you didn't eat again until 800 cals of ice cream at 4:30 PM?????
???
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Adonis told me that it was fine and in accordance to his principles if I wanted to take these supplements. He has primarily argued in the past that supplements are not necessary, not that they will interfere with your progress. For the point of this "dietary experiment", the fact that I am taking vitamin/mineral supplements should have no effect on the overall outcome, which ultimately is represented by the amount of fat that I lose and whether or not I lose any muscle. If I was taking something such as ephedra, I could see how it could discredit the experiment, but not what I am taking. Also, keep in mind that we are not adding any variables into the equation; I was taking the vitamins/minerals before I started this experiment and, therefore, it only makes sense to continue their use throughout.
I still haven't heard a straight-forward principle that you're following. ;)
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Tweeter is to do No Cardio.
No Supplements.
As long as Tweeter is taking any supplements such as vitamins or minerals, there is no way of knowing if he would have made progress using the "Adonis Principles".
Since he isn't using those, but rather his own, enhanced, version.
-Hedge
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It's the Adonis Principles silly ::)
For every principle, there are rules which you follow to carry out the principle as it was described.
What are the rules you are following? ;D
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For every principle, there are rules which you follow to carry out the principle as it was described.
What are the rules you are following? ;D
he's limiting his caloric intake to 1800 cals per day on average. Is it really so hard to figure out?
Feigning ignorance is probably the lamest rhetorical tricks.
I think that you're doing a great job so far Tweeter, making great progress, and in another two weeks people will start to see the truth.
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he's limiting his caloric intake to 1800 cals per day on average. Is it really so hard to figure out?
Feigning ignorance is probably the lamest rhetorical tricks.
I think that you're doing a great job so far Tweeter, making great progress, and in another two weeks people will start to see the truth.
Oh dear. Sounds like we have another protegee of the Adonis Principles.
I wasn't feigning ignorance, but I couldn't be bothered reading the entire thread to find out one simple answer. Adonis starts a thread to explain a theory and in 30 pages it still goes unexplained. He's a joke... Funny how you're the one who answered but the person I was asking stays quiet. Brutal "Adonis Principles" in full force.
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Pretty simple formula.
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You say you weight train yet you're already cutting and you don't seem to carry very much muscle I mean we all know that adonis juices so he has some muscle. Whats your goal is it just to have low BF or are you intending on being a bodybuilder do you know that adding mass to your body in the form of lean muscle will lower your overall BF even at 8% your not gonna look anything like what you want you will just look skinny. Epic cart before horse.
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Moreso than how the formula works, I believe that the ultimate result of my phsique through pictures at the end of this process will be the most beneficial to those following this thread. If I keep all my muscle and get ripped, then hopefully it can show other people that they don't have to just eat chicken, rice, and "insert stereotypical bodybuilding food" to get ripped.
Can't argue with that, but the question is: what is it doing to your insides eating candy and sweet food everyday?
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I have always been curious about what consuming massive amounts of protein does do to your insides.
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I really do feel fine. You also have to realize that for the most part, I am still eating fairly small servings of these sweets. Previously, I ate the same sweets, just with all the protein added along as well (except of course when dieting). Ice cream is actually quite nutritious; I was talking to this one lady who has a degree in nutrition and she said you can live off eating just ice cream! We, as bodybuilders, have been brainwashed somewhat into the way we think regarding what is healthy. A regular person may ask the question, "what is it doing to your insides eating all that protein?" Just something to think about.
I guess if you feel fine that's all that counts. You're a young guy so not much to worry about healthwise for a while. Sweets probably only affect your teeth, anyway. I have heard red meat can be dangerous for your heart if you eat it more than 4 times a week.
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I am just trying to achieve the best physique I can as a natural. While I respect your opinion regarding my physique, I am happy with the amount of muscle I have and want to see how I look once I cut down. I can still try to slowly add mass while staying lean. Also, I don't see how you can accuse Adonis of juicing when you have no proof of this and he has always stood strong in the fact that he is natural.
Ok if you are happy thats all that counts so i can not argue with that by the way Ronnie coleman argues he is a natural.
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Ok if you are happy thats all that counts so i can not argue with that by the way Ronnie coleman argues he is a natural.
...natural or legal? I've heard him use the term "legal" to discribe his gear useage.
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why did u eat pop corn, jelly babies. cheese grits and a beer ?
that is counterproductive to muscle growth and would promote fat storage??????
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I take it you are not familar with the Adonis Principles huh?
no please enlighten me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Looking slim, bro.
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looking slimmer, but still no definition. What are you trying to prove?
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Yah, not to bash but i think your going to very dissapointed at the end of this, but havent you been in contest condition before?
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Tweeter, why are you making the food choices that you are?
Are you doing it simply as part of the TA case study, or do you really want to shape your eating habits for life this way?
Is it because it's cheaper and/or easier to eat like this?
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Well, alot of it has to do with what I bought last time I went to the grocery store. Right after TA and I decided to make this thread, I went to the grocery and, excited that I could eat whatever I wanted, I went a little overboard in buying ice cream, candy, etc. I have just about finished all that food and will need to go back to the grocery this weekend; I will shop a little differently this time and you will notice my diet include some more normal, traditional food choices (although I will still indulge some). I think this is something that a lot of people have done when first starting this diet...gotten excited about being about to eat junk food and going a little overboard with it.
Try incorporating some fruit and veggies into your diet...or at least some fiber from somewhere.
If you're in college and trying to eat cheap, you can still do better than candy and ice cream.
:)
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Just wondering...what do you guys think my bodyfat is right now? Like 18% - 20%?
Clearly a question that only TA will be able to answer "correctly" LOL.
But I wouldn't think you are much over 20% if that.
Are you using any metric at all to guage whether or not you are losing muscle mass?
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None other than the mirror. TA says that laser imaging is really the only way to correctly measure muscle mass. Do you have any other suggestions; how much does it cost to do underwater weighing?
I think TA's right about that.
Dunking's pretty expensive if I recall...to expensive for me anyway. If you are at a major college or university, they may have a dunk tank there. I would check with the sports and nutrition departments, maybe health services and see. You may be able to get a student discount.
Otherwise, I would recommend doing it with calipers and as many skin pinches as possible (7?). I would also have the SAME person do it every time the SAME way...not you.
And don't pay attention to the number so much as the trend. You won't be able to use this method to really, accurately determine whether or not you've lost any muscle, but it helps to give you a better idea.
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None other than the mirror. TA says that laser imaging is really the only way to correctly measure muscle mass. Do you have any other suggestions; how much does it cost to do underwater weighing?
Don't pay underwater weighting, it cost too much, think about Accumeasure. It's accurate with only 1% too much or too less, so even if you're 20% bodyfat, maybe you're 21, maybe you're 19, that's not really important.
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Thanks for the info but what exactly is "Accumeasure"?
A cheap kind of skin caliper, google it : http://www.accumeasurefitness.com/products/index.html
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I will try to get it measured (probably with calipers) as soon as possible because I know people would like to get an idea of how my muscle mass changes along the way. So assuming I am 20 % bodyfat and weight 190 lbs, let's see what I would weight at 5% bodyfat with no muscle loss...
x * 1.2 = 190
x = 190 / 1.2
x = 158.33 (lean body mass)
158.33 * 1.05 = 166.25 lbs
So is this the correct way to calculate this?
Well, 20% of 190 pounds is 38 pounds, which means 152 pounds LBM.
152 * 1.05 = 159.6 pounds.
But I'm not sure what the correct way to calculate this is, I always get mixed up.
Another question for TA to address...he's already suggested that I'm stupid more than once, so I'm certain he has the correct answer. ;)
Either way, it sounds pretty damn small to me. How tall are you again?
And what was your last competition weight? Presumably you were in the single digits for your competition...
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Ok, I think I have it now; you were almost right...
190*.2=38 (because we want to find what 20% of my current weight is not my LBM)
190-38=152 (LBM)
152+.05x=x ("x" represents my bodyweight with 5% bodyfat; the 5% must be calculated on what that weight will
be rather than my LBM)
x = 160
which is almost exactly the same as what you got.
I was in the mid 170's before I tried to drop water or anything at my last contest, not sure what my bf % was.
I think that's correct. And you are how tall??
If you were in the mid-170s before dropping water for your last show, my assumption is that you were in the single digits or else you shouldn't be on stage.
So if you get down to 160 this time around at 5%, I would worry about losing some muscle mass.
Just try to keep an eye on it...TA claims NO MUSCLE lost following this approach. I'm not sure about that. How can this be proven anyway??
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I will try to get it measured (probably with calipers) as soon as possible because I know people would like to get an idea of how my muscle mass changes along the way. So assuming I am 20 % bodyfat and weight 190 lbs, let's see what I would weight at 5% bodyfat with no muscle loss...
x * 1.2 = 190
x = 190 / 1.2
x = 158.33 (lean body mass)
158.33 * 1.05 = 166.25 lbs
So is this the correct way to calculate this?
um tweeter the pupil,,my friend,,i have sad news to you,,
if you are 190lb at 20% bodyfat you will be 120lb naturally at 6%,,there is no need for formulas,,it is simply 1% bf per 5lb loss for natural bodybuilder,,now 5%? you wont see it naturally unless you going for skinny sickly look or have stomack disease,, but 6-7% at 130lb or so is possible if you are real 20% at 190lb,,
then again you are no where near 20% bf you are at the 15-16% zone holding lots of water,,you will be 6% natually at 145-150lb. NATURALLY THAT IS!
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Well, alot of it has to do with what I bought last time I went to the grocery store. Right after TA and I decided to make this thread, I went to the grocery and, excited that I could eat whatever I wanted, I went a little overboard in buying ice cream, candy, etc. I have just about finished all that food and will need to go back to the grocery this weekend; I will shop a little differently this time and you will notice my diet include some more normal, traditional food choices (although I will still indulge some). I think this is something that a lot of people have done when first starting this diet...gotten excited about being about to eat junk food and going a little overboard with it.
Well, if you start eating traditionally healthy food choices, then that's one more step away from TA's diet.
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um tweeter the pupil,,my friend,,i have sad news to you,,
if you are 190lb at 20% bodyfat you will be 120lb naturally at 6%,,there is no need for formulas,,it is simply 1% bf per 5lb loss for natural bodybuilder,,now 5%? you wont see it naturally unless you going for skinny sickly look or have stomack disease,, but 6-7% at 130lb or so is possible if you are real 20% at 190lb,,
then again you are no where near 20% bf you are at the 15-16% zone holding lots of water,,you will be 6% natually at 145-150lb. NATURALLY THAT IS!
Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?
I feel like im in the same boat, although i feel i have greater amount of muscle mass than tweeter i carry a bunch of water and it is really a pain in the ass to get ripped when your skin wants to hold on to it so much.
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Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?
I feel like im in the same boat, although i feel i have greater amount of muscle mass than tweeter i carry a bunch of water and it is really a pain in the ass to get ripped when your skin wants to hold on to it so much.
naturally,,very strict diet and low carb low sodium with high doses vitamin c and some lemon juice,,,but it will take long time and some dont have enough muscle to lose naturally through out this process,,and still look decent,,we are talking about bodybuilding here after all. +
thats where the drugs primobolan and anavar come into the picture,,they are costly for a reason and will bring you down tremendesly in both bodyfat and water weight within 12 weeks of use with strict diet ofcourse,,
add in trenbolone and some test with anti aromatase and you will also add some muscle and muscle fullness,, while shedding this fat and water and getting pretty dry with out the use of duretics,,
im talking strictly about cutting here! i would never use anti aromatase while in bulk phase
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gh15?,...when you say high doses of vitamin C, does that mean 5 grams or more /day?I am asking this because I have read that 5 grams/day or more of it is stated to aid in cortisol supression.Wondering if any truth to that.Thanks.
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Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?
The more H2O you drink, the less you'll retain.
add in trenbolone and some test with anti aromatase and you will also add some muscle and muscle fullness,, while shedding this fat and water and getting pretty dry with out the use of duretics,,
im talking strictly about cutting here! i would never use anti aromatase while in bulk phase
AAS aside (not to mention the lack of nutrition), adding muscle, muscle fullness and muscle hardness (ie: quality) will never happen with this kind of "diet"
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Well, 20% of 190 pounds is 38 pounds, which means 152 pounds LBM.
But I'm not sure what the correct way to calculate this is, I always get mixed up.
That is correct.
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You ate the whole f-in pizza?! :o
A donut, Ben and Jerry's, and a pizza...sounds like the day after a competition to me.
Don't forget to include some info about WHEN you ate and when/what you trained.
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The more H2O you drink, the less you'll retain.
AAS aside (not to mention the lack of nutrition), adding muscle, muscle fullness and muscle hardness (ie: quality) will never happen with this kind of "diet"
::)
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If Tweeter was 20 percent bodyfat at 190,
He would be 161.5 at 5 Percent.
190*.15= 28.5
190-28.5=161.5
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Adonis, what bf do you maintain, with no cardio? What is your daily calorie intake like these days? I cant imagine that you gain muscle while staying on an 1800 cal diet.
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If Tweeter was 20 percent bodyfat at 190,
He would be 161.5 at 5 Percent.
190*.15= 28.5
190-28.5=161.5
How dumb do you have to be to not understand that when you are losing weight naturally , you don't lose only fat, nomatter how much do you train or what do you eat. If he loses 30 lbs , in the best possible scenario -15 lbs will be out of fat, 10lbs - muscle, and 5 water.
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in the best possible scenario -15 lbs will be out of fat, 10lbs - muscle, and 5 water.
But we all know that is not the case. ;)
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So what are the adnois principles?
would you care to share the basics of it
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I think the principals start with genetics that 99.9% of us do not have.
Some people just have Low BF and High Test naturally.
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I think the principals start with genetics that 99.9% of us do not have.
Some people just have Low BF and High Test naturally.
One thing I agree with TA on is that humans are 99.99% alike... not the other way around. You, me, everyone... unless you're a mutant, your genetic makeup is almost identical minus small changes in DNA... I find it much more likely that some outside force in your life... Diet, exercise, things like that make up the reasons why peoples BF or Test is high or low.
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2/15/07:
Starburst 240
Donut 250
Ben & Jerry's 270
DiGiorno's pizza 960
Coffee w/ 2% milk 80
Total calories = 1,800
That diet is so f*cking stupid. That food is nasty, eating that on a daily basis would make me sick. Not to mention, I would be starving since your portions are about the size of an apple.
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You just don't want to admit that getting ripped is this easy!
Tweeter, I believe you gotta try everything to see what works for you... If this does it... that is excellent.
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Tweeter, I believe you gotta try everything to see what works for you... If this does it... that is excellent.
It works for Anyone and Everyone.
People are subject to all scientific laws in the exact same manner.
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It works for Anyone and Everyone.
People are subject to all scientific laws in the exact same manner.
I can not argue with that statement either... Science and Math are finite.
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your going to lose more muscle than adonis
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"Japanese: grilled chicken, steamed rice, brocolli, carrots, shrimp sauce"
Sounds yummy!
What rep range are you doing in your sets?
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Well, I don't think Adonis lost any, so I should be in good shape.
Adonis' body is hardly "bad" by any stretch... If more of the general populace had a body similarly to his, our health care costs would be much lower.
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Master of disinformation.
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hey tweeter how do i get the chance to try this diet out by adonis??
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I take it you are not familar with the Adonis Principles huh?
(I know I shouldn't even be asking this)
What are they supposed to be? All I ever see is several pages of people going back & forth with each other. If there's supposed to be principle - in simple terms: What is it?
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You just don't want to admit that getting ripped is this easy!
I really could care less....getting "ripped" is only about being in a caloric defecit, it doesn't matter if you eat broccoli or donuts. I am simply saying that your diet simply sucks in terms of satiety, physical amount of food, and taste.
For that single measly donut you eat I could have a plate full of food that will keep me fuller much longer.
Hope this helps :)
Oh.....nice bitch tits...hahaha
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It is very simple. TA had previously dieted like the typical bodybuilder...chicken breast, brocolli, oatmeal, etc. He had managed to get lean but like many bodybuilders he hated having to eat these foods, he had little energy from low carbohydrates, and just did not feel well in general. Therefore, he decided that he would diet a different way for the Mr. Getbig contest. He ate whatever he wanted and did not worry about protein; he simply tried to stay within a certain calorie limit. By doing this he was able to get into great shape and lose no muscle. He also developed an equation that determines the amount of heat (note that calories are simply a unit of heat) that his body releases in a closed system. This equation can be used by anyone to determine exactly how they will look and what bodyfat percentage they will be on a given date given a certain daily caloric intake. However, in order to determine this equation for an individual person, he must get a constant, which is what he is currently doing with me. He will analyze the correlation between my calories and weight for about a month (it has been 3 weeks so far) and then determine this constant to use in his formula; this is where the fun begins. So in a nutshell, this is how the Adonis Principles developed and what they are based on.
So basically - A calorie is a calorie (minus the "mystery" equation). But that's not something "new" invented by Adonis.
However, you still don't say what are these equations & constants are (& neither has he for that matter - but I could be wrong) & how would one figure them out. I really don't expect a simple or clear answer so you don't have to try to give one.
Either way if it works for you more power to you.
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Adonis hasn't told anyone, other than maybe his girlfriend, what the equation is or how to calculate it, so I don't know. I am just going to go by what info he gives me when the time comes, which should be in about a week.
I see. Believe it or not I wasn't trying to be a dick - I've only seen the "runaround" from him when asked in threads. Hence, why I didn't expect a serious answer.
Good luck to you.
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You are correct. It is not like I am eating donuts every meal; sometimes I will eat that full plate of food for the sake of satiety. It's just the fact that if I want a donut, it is not off limits for me. If you enjoy eating less calorie dense foods then thats cool because that is what works for you and what you enjoy. I personally enjoy a combination of sweets and less calorie dense foods. You will notice that when I post my diet for today that I ate much more filling foods than in the past few days, just because that is what I was in the mood for.
You aren't telling me anything new.
Dorian Yates notes in his first book that he used to eat Chocolate Cake and ice cream pre-contest every once and a while for sanity's sake.
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Yeah, no problem man. That is one of the main reasons why I wanted to make this thread...because alot of people don't really understand what TA's ideas really are and what the results will be from implementing them. I think alot of people try to make it out to be harder than it is; other than the equation, it is really quite simple. Also, just because he refers to his ideas as The Adonis Principles, people tend to think that every aspect of the diet has to be invented by him; obviously there are going to be similarities with other diets. The point is that this type of diet is new to the bodybuilding world; foods formerly considered tabboo are now permitted.
fat ass women everywhere use these type of low calorie diets and just get fat as hell..
No offense bro..However, you look like you already lost some muscle...Not stored Glycogen but actual muscle tissue..
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I really don't understand why you are dieting in the first place.
You have zero muscle over the average male.
There's no point in being a ripped 125lbs.
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you losing muscle,, inother words shrinking,,in other words losing some fat and some muscle,,adjust diet to daily activity,,you are a student that is active 24/7 you need more calories,, majority of them clean with couple cheating meals per weak if cutting,,
if you were home all day long and only trained an hour at night 4 times per week,,then your current calories would be ok,,anyother case you will shrink to a very small weight and still wont touch 6% bf,,
trust me on that,,i do it for living
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if u do heavy deads, barbell rows
heavy dumbell shoulder press
and compound free weights
...should get ur mass and muscularity up big time.
wow, did you think of this all by yourself. You are so ingenious, are you a personal trainer to the stars?
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looking slimmer, but still no definition. What are you trying to prove?
that you don't need to join Curves to look slim
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The more H2O you drink, the less you'll retain.
AAS aside (not to mention the lack of nutrition), adding muscle, muscle fullness and muscle hardness (ie: quality) will never happen with this kind of "diet"
Princess, you are forgetting that he is training to look like a marathon runner without running
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How dumb do you have to be to not understand that when you are losing weight naturally , you don't lose only fat, nomatter how much do you train or what do you eat. If he loses 30 lbs , in the best possible scenario -15 lbs will be out of fat, 10lbs - muscle, and 5 water.
lol, logic doesn't really work with adonis, he lives in a fantasy land
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what is so interesting is that he could eat 4-5 moderate meals, lift heavy, throw in a cardio session here and there and look much better
lol
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Tweeter, I'm curious about your thoughts on this...
Without knowing for sure, what are you expecting in terms of a change once TA applies his "formula?"
You are in a calorie deficit right now, so you will lose weight. It's still a point of debate whether you are losing fat or muscle or both, and I'm not sure this will ever be resolved.
Once TA applies his "formula" and determines the "correct" number of calories for you to be on, my expectation is that it will still result in your being in a calorie deficit, so you will still lose weight. I.e., it's a "diet."
What am I missing here about this formula?
What is it going to do for you in addition to what you are doing now? (i.e., losing weight by being in a deficit)
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Keep in mind that the formula can be manipulated so that you look a certain way in a certain period of time. It is not as simple as simply saying that x equals your optimal calorie intake per day in order to lose weight; that is what makes this different than other diets. I will probably just pick a weight and bodyfat % range (say 6-7) that I would like to be at by a certain date. I will then use the equation to find the correct amount of calories to do this and then try it out. Some days I will eat more calories, some days less, but in the end it will average out.
Thanks Tweeter. I'm skeptical...but we shall see.
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Here is a pic I took earlier today of me in an old pair of jeans that are way too big for me now
ur arms are gonna be 13inch when ur done cutting
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you losing muscle,, inother words shrinking,,in other words losing some fat and some muscle,,adjust diet to daily activity,,you are a student that is active 24/7 you need more calories,, majority of them clean with couple cheating meals per weak if cutting,,
if you were home all day long and only trained an hour at night 4 times per week,,then your current calories would be ok,,anyother case you will shrink to a very small weight and still wont touch 6% bf,,
trust me on that,,i do it for living
You are wrong.
Trust me on that.
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Good Stuff so far!
The pictures from the back are the best though!
Get some new ones from the back up!
Week One:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123063.0;attach=138957;image)
Week 3:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123063.0;attach=144143;image)
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Still a long way to go....... good improvements keep at it!
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I'm going to start listing the times that I eat everything, so here is what I have had so far today:
9 am: Donut holes 227
11 am: Banana 105
2:15 pm: 2 White Caste Burgers 310
Small orange 45
3:45 pm: Sushi - spicy tuna 449
lol, so from waking up to 2pm you had 332 cals?
concentration camp prisoners were not treated as bad as that
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Tweeter, I'm hugely skeptical of this Adonis's principles in general, but I've got a few questions:-
1. Are you doing any cardio at the moment?
2. Do you feel quite tired and lethargic from the lack of cals/carbs?
3. How have your strength levels changed since you started?
4. You did 12 sets for bi's after 16 sets for back, and 13 sets for tri's after 13 sets for chest; do you think this is not overtraining slightly?
5. Lastly, you say you're going to get down to your ideal bf, then work on increasing muscle mass from there. You can lift heavier and gain more muscle at a higher bodyweight, so would it not be better to put more muscle on first, then try and trim down?
These are honest questions. While I doubt Adonis's claims, I am interested in how they affect people, and if you believe them, then all the best to you.
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you losing muscle,, inother words shrinking,,in other words losing some fat and some muscle,,adjust diet to daily activity,,you are a student that is active 24/7 you need more calories,, majority of them clean with couple cheating meals per weak if cutting,,
if you were home all day long and only trained an hour at night 4 times per week,,then your current calories would be ok,,anyother case you will shrink to a very small weight and still wont touch 6% bf,,
trust me on that,,i do it for living
GH, what's the least amount of cals for cutting would you recommend for a guy 250-280lbs , on gear. Do you think it's a good idea going as low as 1200-1500 cals a day?
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1. Not really; I would guess that I walk an average of 2 miles per day getting around campus. Sometimes I will play some basketball or swim a little down at the aquatic center, but not really any traditional cardio. One day I ran a mile to see if it was any easier since losing weight, and it was.
2. No, I feel very good for the most part. The only time I really feel lethargic is if I eat too many of my calories early in the day and don't have any left to eat at night, or sometimes on days when I only eat very calorie-dense foods, such as donuts and ice cream. However, my body is continually adapting to the diet and I generally feel better each day.
3. I haven't noticed any change in strength yet. Sometimes I don't feel like doing quite as many sets, but thats about it.
4. I'm not a big believer in overtraining. As long as I don't feel really run down and exhausted, I will keep on working out. I used to think that anything over like 15 sets a workout was overtraining, but I don't follow that philosophy anymore. I also do not go to failure every set. Many of my ideas on training have been influenced by Serge Nubret's philosophy.
5. Trying to "bulk up" then cut down has always been my strategy in the past, and I have always just ended up getting fat. I would rather be lean year round and actually like a bodybuilder than one of those "perma-bulkers". Also, being natural, I am not going to be able to gain that much muscle mass anyway, whether I try to bulk up or not. That being said, I don't think that staying lean prevents one from putting on muscle mass.
Thanks for the replies.
I honestly hope this works for you, and you reach the targets you've set yourself.
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God, I would much rather do cardio 7 days a week than to eat like a fish on this diet. You have to be ingnoring mega hunger pains and empty stomach. Like dude said, 9-2 and only 332 calories thats rediculous.
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GH, what's the least amount of cals for cutting would you recommend for a guy 250-280lbs , on gear. Do you think it's a good idea going as low as 1200-1500 cals a day?
i cant tell you exact amounts because i need to know the lifter daily activities,,and know how active he is,,,you can keep muscle going as low as 1200cal a day if on hormones,,but for optimal results you need to know your body and your daily intake needs aka the amount of calories wasted during the day,,
if you are sitting home doing nothing but resting all day long and live on your girl,,which is common in some neck of the woods,,training at night 8 to 9,,4 times a week,,,eat sleep and hormonized,,you really wont nneed much calories,,
if you are working your ass construction,,then go with your kids to swiming pool and like playing tennis with your wife,,,then go to 10 diff ativities with friends,,you will have to use more calories,,while the guy who does nothing wont have to use as much.
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if you are sitting home doing nothing but resting all day long and live on your girl,,which is common in some neck of the woods,,training at night 8 to 9,,4 times a week,,,eat sleep and hormonized,,you really wont nneed much calories,,
One of your funniest post yet...But also true! :)
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Even though they may be smaller, they could actually look bigger due to the increased definition. I would rather have smaller arms that are cut than bigger arms with no definition. Bodybuilding is all about how you look, which alot of times is really an illusion. But to create this illusion, you have to be lean.
what do ur arms measure now
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2/24/07:
Sandwich - roast beef, cheese, mayo 350
5 oz. grilled chicken breast 500
Honey mustard sauce 60
2 slices sourdough bread 160
Butter 60
Starburst 120
Shrimp, sausage, rice jambalaya 840
Total calories = 1,790
Where are you getting 500 calories for 5oz of chicken?
7oz chicken brease is 175 calories.
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Just reading your original statement, it says you competed four times. How did that go? What did you like and didn't like about competition?
What look are you hoping to achieve through your efforts?
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5. Trying to "bulk up" then cut down has always been my strategy in the past, and I have always just ended up getting fat. I would rather be lean year round and actually like a bodybuilder than one of those "perma-bulkers". Also, being natural, I am not going to be able to gain that much muscle mass anyway, whether I try to bulk up or not. That being said, I don't think that staying lean prevents one from putting on muscle mass.
Proof that you truly have no clue about the role of proper diet.
Nobody should be getting "Fat" when bulking up. A bulking diet should be the same as a cutting diet, only differing in the amount of calories per meal.. You probably ate too much, and ate too much garbage. Also, being natural, and having seen your pictures, you can put on a lot of muscle mass. Now you are on this crazy diet to do what?
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I really think people should stop telling this dude to stop the adonis diet principles so the end result will prove all.
I just hope Tweeter is honest enough to admit the truth when he either fails with this diet or succeeds and that he stuck to the 'principles' 100%.
Is there a certain deadline?
Whats your honest opinion on your progress so far Tweeter? Have you been measureing your weight/bodyfat % , lean mass weight , fat mass weight?
And also what about your lifts in the gym , up/down etc.
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I agree... why deter someone from their goal... no matter what it may be.
I wish Tweeter nothing but the best in his goal and hope he achieves whatever it is he's setting out to do.
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I competed in the teen class in 3 shows and the novice in another show when I was 20. I usually finished in about the middle of the pack. I mainly enjoyed the challenge of training for a show and competition aspect of it. I have always been very competitive and love to set challenges for myself and then go after them. The two things I didn't enjoy all that much were the diet and having to stand in a little speedo in front of so many people. I also found it very discouraging to think that I would not be able to go very far in bodybuilding due to my reluctance towards using steriods. That is why I mainly just planned on competing as a teen; I knew that I was not willing to do what is necessary to go beyond that level. I don't know if I will ever compete again; I mainly just do it for myself now.
You look like you could do well in natural BBing if you just stick to it. It's hard, like anything, but with time and dedication, you can still build a great natural physique. Look at some of the guys in the Mr. GetBig. Natural BBing may not have the publicity that steroid BBing does, but all it takes is dedication to get where you want to be.
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Tweeter.......I dare you to eat a vegetable!!!
How much weight have you lost since you started?
Did TA ever give you an indication of what HE thinks your bf is?
And when is the first month officially over?
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I have never been a huge vegetable fan; what types of vegetables do you like eating? I like brocolli, corn, and green beans but have heard that green beans and corn don't really have any nutritional benefits.
Corn isn't a veggie per se...it falls into the starchier category like potatoes and peas. Although all of the above have nutritional value.
Green beans are good, and I prefer them to brocolli b/c of the bloat.
Broccoli is tough on the system!
Asparagus is great...it also serves as a nice natural diuretic.
And spinach - I freakin love spinach in just about every form!
You and I are clearly dieting differently though Tweeter. When I cut calories, I try to fill my diet with a higher volume of less dense food and fiber...to keep myself eating more often (because I believe that stimulates metabolism) and to prevent myself from getting hungry (I swear, it's NOT in my mind).
SO when I am dieting, I'm pretty much happy to eat ALL veggies. There are not many that I wouldn't eat.
In terms of having a somewhat satisfying meal, I'd rather belly up to a giant tub of veggies than 4 spoonfuls of ben and jerrys.
The ben and jerrys sounds great, but it would be just enough to piss me off that I can't have more...so I'd rather not have any.
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TA's "principles" don't work for adding muscle....
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Thanks for the replies.
I honestly hope this works for you, and you reach the targets you've set yourself.
what is there that you don't understand?
you eat little and excerise..you could join Curves, Taebo or follow Rich Simmons and get the same results.
but since this is a bodybuilding forum muscle growth is were the concerns are. And clearly this method doesn't work for that
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I think what TA's principle is about is trying to explain that "a calorie is a calorie", hence all the junk food in tweeter's diet, that you wouldn't normally attribute to a cutting diet, but they are calorie's nonetheless.
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My weight is currently about 183, which is a 15 pound loss so far. We will likely implement the formula very soon.
cool, post the update pics
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Tweeter, WTF did you do with that brocolli that you bought last week? LOL
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Tweeter, WTF did you do with that brocolli that you bought last week? LOL
Are you trying to turn this into the "ripitupbaby's" principles? ???
-Hedge
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There is a noticable different in stomach, chest and arms fat. Good work.
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Yes,
Migizi lost over 30-40 lbs and was on his way, but I have not heard from him since the Y board was deconstructed. It used to be the Mythbuster board then it got descrambled and Migizi got lost.
Hopefully I can resume his progress. Migizi, if you are out there, I am here to help!!!!
you're case #1
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Are you trying to turn this into the "ripitupbaby's" principles? ???
-Hedge
hahahaha NO, absolutely not. ;)
I would just submit that brocolli is best eaten when fresh, not after sitting in the fridge for a week, being passed up for a few bites of ben and jerrys.
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it'll be fun to see how everyone reacts to the results. ;D
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3/3/07:
Gatorade 280
Chicken burrito 800
Chips 315
Salsa 10
Sprite 140
2 small cookies 110
Beer 200
Total calories = 1,755
That was my typical Freshman year of college diet, plus another 1,000 calories in booze.
I'd be STARVING if I only had Chips and Salsa and a Burrioto for real solid food all day.
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I applaud you for keeping track of all your calories. You're obviously very dedicated.
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yet to see the results.
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Hey Tweeter, it's been over a month now.
Any idea when your program will change? Any word on the elusive "formula"?
Keep up the good work!
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Not exactly sure; I am just waiting for TA to let me know. He said that Chaseinater has had the formula revealed to him, but he started a few weeks before me. It should be soon though. TA just wants to make sure that he is able to monitor each person long enough to get the correct constant. By the way Rip, I saw some pics of you...do you stay relatively that lean all year or diet down a good deal for photoshoots and contests?
I'm a constant shape-shifter LOL. My weight fluctuates considerably throughout the year, especially for my overall size.
I diet a good part of the year for BB competitions, but I am also not afraid to gain weight and bulk up during the off-season. I do some powerlifting during the off-season (bench press), and I use the added weight/strength to my advantage.
I'm lean like you see in the pics (or something close to it) probably 7 months out of the year. And I do all of my photo shoots when I am lean!!
I looked through Chase's thread on MD and could not find anything about TA's formula. Also, now that TA has been banned, the case study threads have been deleted over there.
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Thats cool, so do you compete in bodybuilding, figure, or fitness? Your pics are impressive by the way; major props on getting in such good shape. I didn't know that the case studies were down on MD; I hardly ever go over there. They should move them to getbig so they can all be together. If I am able to get as ripped as you, you should consider using the Adonis Principles next time you are getting ready for a photoshoot or contest!
Thanks Tweeter!
I used to compete in figure, but I have switched over to BB now and will be competing in BB at Junior Nationals in Chicago in June. I have already started to diet!!!
LOL, I'm not sure I'm quite ready to try TA's approach for my next contest prep. As I have mentioned before, my problem is that I like to eat A LOT. I am hungry all the time, and it's not in my head.
I wouldn't do well eating calorie-dense food. When restricting calories, I much prefer to eat a greater volume of food than TA's approach would allow. I am also happy to do extra cardio for extra calories.
Since I have yet to figure out what is so revolutionary about TA's approach, I guess you could say that I follow TA's dieting "principles" except I choose to eat veggies, complex carbs, and lean proteins. ;D
I suggested to Chase that he start a thread here, but I am not sure if he will. The Myth doesn't appear to be doing quite as well as you and Chase, and bulky disappeared a long time ago.
Thanks again for the compliments, I appreciate it!
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the last set of pics were 10 days ago...c'mon, dude, keep up
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I will post the next set of pics right before I start using the formula, which should be sometime this week.
here is your new formula
given the new weight level (down 10-15lbs ) and the need to further decrease weight and BF to sub 10%, reduce the current caloric intake by 10%
1800 * 10% = 180
thus 1800-180 = 1620 is your new caloric intake level
let me know if you want me to give your new work out routine also
this is too easy
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You have a point there; since the Adonis Principles allow you to eat whatever you would like as long as you keep your calories within a certain limit, I guess you have followed the Adonis Principles all along without even knowing it! I have been eating more less calorie dense foods as the diet has progressed as I seem to be getting hungrier as I lose weight. I'll talk to Chaseinater on AIM and see if I can get him to put up a thread here; I wonder if all the info from the old thread is still saved on MD? Best of luck on your diet by the way. However, I'm sure you don't need it as it is obvious you know how to get in shape.
Thanks Tweeter.
Getting hungrier is a good sign. I would recommend some fiber in your diet to keep you feeling fuller. maybe some fiber cereal in the morning.
When you say japanese food, are you talking about the hibachi meals where they cook in front of you?
If so, how are you estimating the calories for that?
I see you never did eat that brocolli you bought, did you? ;)
That's got fiber in it too. Or you could try 1/2 avocado...tons of fiber and yummy too.
Chase's thread is long gone at MD, unless they moved it to a mod or admin board, but I doubt it. >:(
Hopefully he will start one over here.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to the pics!
:)
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Thankyou TA.
I am 22 years old, currently weigh app. 200 lbs., 5'10". Other than taking some prohormones several years ago, I am a lifetime natural. I have been training seriously since I played football in high school. I have competed and been on stage four times but the dieting always drained me mentally and physically to the point I just didn't want to do it anymore. I have not competed since the summer of 2005, primarily because I have been busy with school and other activities. Since first hearing about the Adonis Principles, they have really made alot of sense to me (I never liked the idea of following "gym science" over traditional science). I will do exactly as Adonis instructs me to, and I am sure this will be a huge success.
IMO, if you decide on illness vs health............The Adonis Principles are for you.
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Keep it up dude :)
I take it you are ment to stick around 1800 cals avg per day?
Is there a certain protein requirement you have to meet?
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Thanks; yes I try to average 1,800 calories per day. There are no protein requirements.
Ok....So it would be ok to only eat ...say fruit all day? Surely there has to be SOME protein rule?
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Ok....So it would be ok to only eat ...say fruit all day? Surely there has to be SOME protein rule?
I don't know about the Adonis Principle but I've been follow the "Warrior Diet" and it's mostly fruits and vegetables. I only eat protein at night after the gym and I feel great. Granted it hasn't been months and months. But I don't feel any weaker. I can't tell if there is size loss cause it's so early. But I am losing weight.
If you think about it humans ate mostly fruits and certain vegetables all day for thousands of years. Meat wasn't eaten everyday by rule unless a hunt was successful. And even if it was there wasn't TONS to go around.
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If you think about it humans ate mostly fruits and certain vegetables all day for thousands of years. Meat wasn't eaten everyday by rule unless a hunt was successful. And even if it was there wasn't TONS to go around.
Im pretty sure the history time frame your speaking of didnt include Intense Weight Lifting...............
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This is a good point; also, keep in mind that there have been several succesful vegetarian bodybuilders. With the Adonis Principles, there are no requirements for protein although Adonis does say that the RDA will suffice. It is very easy to get the necessary amount of protein, and although you may eat nothing but fruit one day, it is unlikely that you would do this consistently everyday.
So in other words.......There is a protein requirement....... Whats the RDA at these days?
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You need to hit some pullups/pullovers BAD....
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Do u ever have a cheat meal/day?
what happens if its like Xmas day/easter day and u are up to say 1600 cals and theres a huge meal/desert and drinks ahead and its obvious your going to go WAY over your 1800 ish cal intake?
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looking good tweeter keep it up!
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What exactly is going to be left when you "diet" off all this fat? :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123063.0;attach=150864;image)
(http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/images/402/Reference_Images/Physiocarpus_opulifolius/Winter_twig/Reference_twig_DK.jpg)
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You are a funny one Pobrecito ::)
It's a serious question, do you want to look like a stick?
Maybe they can put your picture in the dictionary for the H-taper LOL
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To tell you the truth, I don't really care much about being big anymore. I would rather be 160 lean than look like a professional bodybuilder. When I was younger, I wanted to look like the pros but now it just seems childish and unpractical to want to be that big. Also, I am not willing to take drugs and break the law in a vain effort to gain muscle. Now, I go more for fitness, practical muscle, and health. So basically, what you may perceive as a stick, I may be perfectly satisfied with; its all just a matter of personal preference.
nicely answered Tweeter, my view to my own BB is the same. ;)
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To tell you the truth, I don't really care much about being big anymore. I would rather be 160 lean than look like a professional bodybuilder. When I was younger, I wanted to look like the pros but now it just seems childish and unpractical to want to be that big. Also, I am not willing to take drugs and break the law in a vain effort to gain muscle. Now, I go more for fitness, practical muscle, and health. So basically, what you may perceive as a stick, I may be perfectly satisfied with; its all just a matter of personal preference.
commendable.
But maybe you are on the wrong website ???
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To tell you the truth, I don't really care much about being big anymore. I would rather be 160 lean than look like a professional bodybuilder. When I was younger, I wanted to look like the pros but now it just seems childish and unpractical to want to be that big. Also, I am not willing to take drugs and break the law in a vain effort to gain muscle. Now, I go more for fitness, practical muscle, and health. So basically, what you may perceive as a stick, I may be perfectly satisfied with; its all just a matter of personal preference.
Ditto!
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you sound like pussies who dont have the will or heart to get big and lean.
keep telling yourselves that a 160 pounds at ten percent looks good. im sure old people will be impressed.
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apparently a lot of people think vin diesel , brad pitt etc 'look good' and they arent 'massive'.....now im not trying to look like them OR do it for the chicks but it certainly helps not been massive when i play field hockey and all.
Drugs , money , health risks , illegal , more food/supplements needed......hmmm yeah I think ill stick with 'small' and natural ;)
Oh well guess that makes me a pussy huh? :-*
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Tweeter, thanks for the updates.
What are your stats now? How long have you been on the TA diet? And what's the latest on the "formula"?
:)
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Tweeter, thanks for the updates.
What are your stats now? How long have you been on the TA diet? And what's the latest on the "formula"?
:)
I need him to get with me so I can work out the details for him!!!
He has been missing lately!!!!
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I need him to get with me so I can work out the details for him!!!
He has been missing lately!!!!
Maybe he doesn't give a shit about you and your ridiculous ideas, and start dieting the right way....
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keep up the good work tweeter....... any more recent pics??
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I will take some soon but I am trying to wait a little longer between pics. One week isn't much time to notice a whole lot of progress so everytime I take pics that are only one week apart, I just get bashed by all these people saying how it is hardly any progress and all that sh*t. But I will try to post some more this week.
I'm not bashing your progress, you have lost some weight.
However, I simply do not understand why you are doing this, you wont resemble anything like a bodybuilder when you are done. Basically, you will probably be back to where you started before you even picked up a weight.
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I'm not bashing your progress, you have lost some weight.
However, I simply do not understand why you are doing this, you wont resemble anything like a bodybuilder when you are done. Basically, you will probably be back to where you started before you even picked up a weight.
I disagree. He is looking dramatically better so far. If he continues to drop weight slowly without burning muscle, he will look great. Then he could add about 150 calories over maintainence and build muscle without turning into a tub of lard in the process. The only difference between the adonis method and what I do is that I try to eat from the four food groups while watching calories. I also take a vitamin just incase, and supplement with protein powder in oatmeal if I do not eat my servings of meat that day.
Adonis is absolutley correct in almost everything he says on here. I am not a gimmick account of his or anyone else's, but I am just stating facts. No one needs these special voodoo diets in order to add muscle or drop fat while maintaining muscle. Tweeter looks like he has not lost much muscle if any. He will be shredded at the end of this, then if he concentrates on strength, he will be larger.
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To tell you the truth, I don't really care much about being big anymore. I would rather be 160 lean than look like a professional bodybuilder. When I was younger, I wanted to look like the pros but now it just seems childish and unpractical to want to be that big. Also, I am not willing to take drugs and break the law in a vain effort to gain muscle. Now, I go more for fitness, practical muscle, and health. So basically, what you may perceive as a stick, I may be perfectly satisfied with; its all just a matter of personal preference.
That's what's important - if you're happy (weather it be big or small, on gear or natural, etc). The fact that you're happy with your body is what's important.
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It can be found in Richard Dawkins book, The God Delusion.
I HIGHLY recommend it.
If you like that book I recommend you read sam harris' The End of Faith
http://www.samharris.org/
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Interesting thread. So, the dieting started January 30th? What's going to be the time-span ... or just until the desired BF% is reached? I know there was mention of a contest near late April, is the green light still on for that idea?
Adonis ... you bulked to a high BF% previously ... eating a lot of typical "bodybuilding" foods (not sure what else or how much 'junk' was included in this period of time). Most likely gained muscle during this period of time.... and then cut using your 'adonis principles'. I understand in cutting, the point being proven is that 'a calorie is a calorie', and other variables typically taken into account mean very little. Regardless of the macro-nutrient breakdown, keep the calories low enough to be in a deficit, and eating the right amount of Captain Crunch & Crispy Crunch bars .. you too can be shreded. Yes?
I am curious now ... what does Adonis now believe for bulking? You must have gained some muscle during your traditional bodybuilding bulking diet, yes? Do you believe the muscle you built during this diet could have been built easier, or more efficiently? You dispell protein myths now ... so how do you intend to 'grow' your muscle the next time around... doing it the Adonis way?
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Okay, so I found another thread where you stated that "the same principles apply"... when questioned on attaining muscular gains.
Do you have more to say in regards to this statement? How many extra calories will benefit muscle growth, versus how many become waste/useless? Macro-nutrient breakdown in one's bulking diet is as unimportant as it is in cutting ?? (in regards to muscle growth only, not overall function & health of course...)
Please ellaborate...
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dude, stop wasting our time and post the latest pictures