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Flawless reasoning at it's best!
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Flawless reasoning at it's best!
Thats not Adam Ables.
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Wicked. :D Will Santa Clause be there too?
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Thats some epic shit.
REPENT SINNERS!
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:)
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I always thought the devil had great taste in music
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I always thought the devil had great taste in music
Have some sympathy...
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Have some sympathy...
ha
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
Religion kinda made a huge worldwide cause about god(s)...
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
It's because we can , for centuries religion would have you put to death if you didn't buy into their shit nevermind openly say there is no God now they can't do dick so turn about is fair play
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Religion kinda made a huge worldwide cause about god(s)...
I'm not sticking up for religion either btw
Religion is just a set of rules that use "God" as their personal "enforcer" to make sure you act civilized. You don't have to subscribe to religion to believe in God
Fact of the matter that this Higher being that is "God" doesn't care what you do with your life
Here is why you here alot of people say that they are "spiritual" but they are "not religious". They believe in God but they don't want to be lumped in with "Thou shall Not" crowd
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I got a cousin I personal train on weights, every Sunday I get a Bible story pisses me off. I dont want the stuff pushed on me choice is freedom.
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
Dude it's the opposite.
It's ok to believe in god or a higher being but why make a big deal about it ?
There millions and millions of religious fanatics around the world.
People put Jesus fish on their fucking cars! Ever hear of the crusades few hundred years ago or the current missions that the catholic church sends to africa and south america to convert the "savages" onto Jesus ??
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Dude it's the opposite.
It's ok to believe in god or a higher being but why make a big deal about it ?
There millions and millions of religious fanatics around the world.
People put Jesus fish on their fucking cars! Ever hear of the crusades few hundred years ago or the current missions that the catholic church sends to africa and south america to convert the "savages" onto Jesus ??
In my experience, its usually atheists freaking out and pushing their views on people.
Ive seen it both ways, by from what Ive seen the atheists get way more butthurt and tned to be a lot more condescending and arrogant than most christians ive met.
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Dude it's the opposite.
It's ok to believe in god or a higher being but why make a big deal about it ?
There millions and millions of religious fanatics around the world.
People put Jesus fish on their fucking cars! Ever hear of the crusades few hundred years ago or the current missions that the catholic church sends to africa and south america to convert the "savages" onto Jesus ??
while this might be true, fact in this matter is that most "atheists" are REALLY obnoxious about being "atheists".
now, I know that everyone is gonna reply with "well, people who believe in "God" are more obnoxious, big nose"
in my honest opinion, atheists are WAY more obnoxious than those who believe............and i don't have a big nose
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Some folks need to do some world travel. You will find that in EVERY fucking country, town, city, planet, hole or whatever... people always aspire to some form of higher being.
Where do you think this comes from? It is innate. Why? Well, here we go again.
Philosophy and Getbig mix like oil and water. Ain't happenin, unless there are some getbiggers full of enough bile to attempt it.
I don't think anyone ever changes their mind about the way they believe. They may state that they do, but inside, they stay where they are on the subject.
Atheism is the perfect answer for a simple man with a simple mind. They want to use "science" as their basis but you may as well throw Atheism into the "Science Fact" column and religion into the "Science Fiction" column.
We all know that there are some assertions, which neither side can prove nor disprove.
I suppose even when you look at someone like Mike Mentzer, and you read all of his science and dogma, you realize too, that "objectivism" was best suited for him. Initially, one can reject Christianity but still consider it possible that a supernatural creator of the universe may exist, until the facts established by science are understood, then the only honest option is atheism.
I don't know where Mike and his brother were spiritually when they were actually on their deathbeds, but I do wonder at times.
I prefer Christianity, but I completely understand the logic behind Atheism when it comes to scrutinizing all of the seemingly obvious 'flaws' in the Bible. Too many things that don't make sense, and then all of the "why are babies raped?" questions arise.
Atheism seems like a simple choice for someone who is only basing their beliefs on logic and not faith.
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
The Anti-information movement needs to be called out. FEAR IS MIND CONTROL!
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atheists are all drama queens
I mean, it is okay to not believe in "God" or a "higher being" but why make a big deal about it
I mean, I don't believe that Barney the Dinosaur is a real dinosaur who jumps really high. you don't see me starting a huge worldwide cause about it.
What do you mean Barney isn't real ???
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Obviously, this is a matter of opinions but..
I'm a catholic atheist. Raised catholic as a kid then turned atheist on my own accord.
I have not met too many other atheists but bible/religion thumpers are just way too emotional in their pro religion arguments.
Where as the atheists bring up more factual points against religion.
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What do you mean Barney isn't real ???
have you ever seen how high that dinosaur jumps?!
that shit is unreal
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while this might be true, fact in this matter is that most "atheists" are REALLY obnoxious about being "atheists".
now, I know that everyone is gonna reply with "well, people who believe in "God" are more obnoxious, big nose"
in my honest opinion, atheists are WAY more obnoxious than those who believe............and i don't have a big nose
You get to be a little obnoxious if you are right.
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Atheism is the perfect answer for a simple man with a simple mind. They want to use "science" as their basis but you may as well throw Atheism into the "Science Fact" column and religion into the "Science Fiction" column.
But what about the majority of people that don't share your religious views that are theists? Are they simple minded as well? Is it just for the sake of believing some god that just makes it better than atheism?
Same with this thread subject. According to christianity, the jews, muslims, and any other relgious creed not with jesus are going to hell too. Why pick out the atheist?
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:D ;D
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You get to be a little obnoxious if you are right.
Science cant answer everything yet, im not religious, but Ive had enough strange experiences and coincedences in my life that I believe there is a lot more to existence that I can begin to comprehend.
I think its a tremendously pretentious and arrogant statement science makes when it claims to be able to have a definitive answer, when the simple fact is, Science is proven wrong all the time, and Science still doesnt have all the answers.
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Science is proven wrong all the time, and Science still doesnt have all the answers.
There is faulty arrival to conclusions, but true science is always correct
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btw- this thread hits 5 pages by the end of today and 10 pages by midweek
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btw- this thread hits 5 pages by the end of today and 10 pages by midweek
Naw,a mod will move it to the religon board.
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Thats 3 minutes and 40 seconds of my life I'm never getting back!!!
In all seriousness, how in the world do people actually believe this stuff?
By the way this is not just a christian/jesus thing..... they teach you the same things as a muslim. When I was a kid they would tell me if I'm bad I'll burn in hell forever and ever, and my skin will regenerate and I will burn again.... and if I ask for water they will give me boiling water to drink, if I say I'm hungry they will feed me razor blades!
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Science cant answer everything yet, im not religious, but Ive had enough strange experiences and coincedences in my life that I believe there is a lot more to existence that I can begin to comprehend.
I think its a tremendously pretentious and arrogant statement science makes when it claims to be able to have a definitive answer, when the simple fact is, Science is proven wrong all the time, and Science still doesnt have all the answers.
That's where people have it wrong. Science is not a "be all, end all" type thing.
Science basically TRIES to explain how and why things happen. It is constantly evolving and ever changing. Meaning that if for example 20 years ago somebody made a theory why birds migrate south for the winter or why plants grow toward the sun ...and then 20 years later somebody disproves that theory, the latter more appropriate theory is the accepted one.
There are many examples of theories being changed or flat out proven. Do some googling.
The thing about religion thumpers is that for ANYTHING that they can not understand or anything that science has not gotten around to explaining they automatically say "it's god's doing or god's will".
You can not just say god is responsible for shit that you can't comprehend or just because it's a coincidence.
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btw, I have to restate that I have nothing against people that don't believe in a higher being
I just find it really odd that people will group together because they don't believe in something
and I know people will come back with "Well, it does make sense because the notion of "God" is such a universal thing that affects alot of peoples lives"....still though, atheists are a group that are together because something isn't there (to them)
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Atheism is the perfect answer for a simple man with a simple mind. They want to use "science" as their basis but you may as well throw Atheism into the "Science Fact" column and religion into the "Science Fiction" column.
Nonsense , some of the most intelligent people who ever lived were without believe in a deity , and it's quite the contrary. it's a simple mind who accepts everything on blind faith and from bronze age myths. Most people who believe in God haven't even read the entire bible and most atheists have , most atheists ( I know ) are well read on geology , history , science , politics , and religion etc most come to the conclusion after a lot of thought and ' soul ' searching not on blind faith
In the end NO atheist worth his salt can truly say 100% there is NO God technically because that would be claiming to have knowledge of everything ( ironically this is what religion tells us ) but the God as described in bible is easily proven wrong and contradicts facts that took some of the brightest people who ever graced this planet a very long time to come to.
The simple minds says the all knowing father in the sky did it
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Wicked. :D Will Santa Clause be there too?
I don't think anyone prays to Santa, or the EAster Bunny.
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I don't think anyone prays to Santa, or the EAster Bunny.
Maybe they should it would make more sense , I've seen both of them.
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btw, I have to restate that I have nothing against people that don't believe in a higher being
I just find it really odd that people will group together because they don't believe in something
and I know people will come back with "Well, it does make sense because the notion of "God" is such a universal thing that affects alot of peoples lives"....still though, atheists are a group that are together because something isn't there (to them)
Yup - fanatical atheists are just as annoying as fanatical religious peeps
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Yup - fanatical atheists are just as annoying as fanatical religious peeps
X2.
"God" is in all of us.... at least until we can fully explain the full circle of life.
And Trenbolona.
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Yup - fanatical atheists are just as annoying as fanatical religious peeps
fanatical religious peeps want you dead if you don't agree , Atheists just want to laugh at you , big difference
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I don't believe in God but I don't consider myself an atheist .
I really don't give a fuck if god exist or not
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Thats 3 minutes and 40 seconds of my life I'm never getting back!!!
In all seriousness, how in the world do people actually believe this stuff?
By the way this is not just a christian/jesus thing..... they teach you the same things as a muslim. When I was a kid they would tell me if I'm bad I'll burn in hell forever and ever, and my skin will regenerate and I will burn again.... and if I ask for water they will give me boiling water to drink, if I say I'm hungry they will feed me razor blades!
Souls don't drink, eat, or have sex...nor is there a supermaket that has razors or food, nor a foundry to make metal, nor a factory to make razors, nor a bakery or cook to make food.
How people come up with this stuff is rediculous. Now, I believe that the spirit "world", is nothing more than q demension that exists beside our own.
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Nonsense , some of the most intelligent people who ever lived were without believe in a deity , and it's quite the contrary. it's a simple mind who accepts everything on blind faith and from bronze age myths. Most people who believe in God haven't even read the entire bible and most atheists have , most atheists ( I know ) are well read on geology , history , science , politics , and religion etc most come to the conclusion after a lot of thought and ' soul ' searching not on blind faith
In the end NO atheist worth his salt can truly say 100% there is NO God technically because that would be claiming to have knowledge of everything ( ironically this is what religion tells us ) but the God as described in bible is easily proven wrong and contradicts facts that took some of the brightest people who ever graced this planet a very long time to come to.
The simple minds says the all knowing father in the sky did it
x10000
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the bible's true cause it says so in the bible
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Yep, not to mention artifacts that were found that coinside with approximate times givin. Good call Nirvana :))
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I don't believe in God but I don't consider myself an atheist .
I really don't give a fuck if god exist or not
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you would give a fuck cause it would give new understanding
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You can either pray for things to happen or make them happen yourself.
Only one requires courage and bravery.
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Explains it down to the T...
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the bible's true cause it says so in the bible
amen
praise jebus
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Science cant answer everything yet, im not religious, but Ive had enough strange experiences and coincedences in my life that I believe there is a lot more to existence that I can begin to comprehend.
I think its a tremendously pretentious and arrogant statement science makes when it claims to be able to have a definitive answer, when the simple fact is, Science is proven wrong all the time, and Science still doesnt have all the answers.
Posts like these are a crime against humanity. Your strange experiences can be explained. Science never claims to have definite answers. But everything we know is through science! Science = us. Science isn't some kind of a beast somewhere, it's in all of us. If someone tries to sell you a bridge you want to see it. That already is science. You want some kind of tangible proof that the bridge exists.
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Posts like these are a crime against humanity. Your strange experiences can be explained. Science never claims to have definite answers. But everything we know is through science! Science = us. Science isn't some kind of a beast somewhere, it's in all of us. If someone tries to sell you a bridge you want to see it. That already is science. You want some kind of tangible proof that the bridge exists.
You missed the point. And no, science cannot explain the strange coincedences and experiences in my life. Im not talking about weird happenings, im talking about the way life unfolds.
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Hahaha, Klause you're such a tool. If science was so exact as you pretend there would be no debates. There are so many things that science (at least your science and who you listen too) cannot explain, that the only conclusion they could come up is that there HAS to be a creator. Sorry dude, there's too much that science cannnot explain.
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lol
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lol
I lold pretty hard too.
Good shit.
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Just be good people. Don't do things that harm others or force your opinions on someone else.
Regardless if you are religious or not the 10 Commandments for example are pretty basic common sense rules to abide by. Most do it anyway.
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Hahaha, Klause you're such a tool. If science was so exact as you pretend there would be no debates. There are so many things that science (at least your science and who you listen too) cannot explain, that the only conclusion they could come up is that there HAS to be a creator. Sorry dude, there's too much that science cannnot explain.
Like I tried to point out. If science can't explain it, humans can't explain it. So the problem remains open, there is no answer, atleast yet.
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Like I tried to point out. If science can't explain it, humans can't explain it. So the problem remains open, there is no answer, atleast yet.
That was what I was getting at, that there are a lot of things people cant comprehend/explain yet, but some people will go around acting like youre stupid for saying there are things out there that arent rational/scientifically explainable yet.
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LOL! You know you're going to hell!
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Check this video out:
It's long... but it's very interesting and answers many questions about our universe from a scientific standpoint, of course.
Generally, I have to agree with Ursus... what you believe in is not important, you just gotta be a good person.
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Pointing something out and blasting Chrisians for their faith are two different things. I don't call out or bag on athiests but I guess athiests feel the need to ridicule Christians every chance they get, why is that?
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another thing I don't get about Atheists
they go out of there way to prove that God doesn't exist by bogging every one down with tons and tons of information.
Not for nothing but if you don't believe in "God" then why do you have to provide so much fucking evidence
Again, does anyone see 300 page books about how Barney the Dinosaur isn't a real dinosaur?
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another thing I don't get about Atheists
they go out of there way to prove that God doesn't exist by bogging every one down with tons and tons of information.
Not for nothing but if you don't believe in "God" then why do you have to provide so much fucking evidence
Again, does anyone see 300 page books about how Barney the Dinosaur isn't a real dinosaur?
QFT
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again, I have nothing against atheists
I just think alot of them make it a bigger deal than it actually is...
and mind you- I'm NOT a republican conservative AT ALL. I'm a fairly liberal Democrat
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lol@this thread.
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About the evidence part... I guess it's just a habit. I'm used to proving every evaluative statement I make, as most academics are... and many atheists are academics. But I do realize that it gets annoying, fast....
I originally started this thread for entertainment purposes, anyway... but it soon mutated to this atheism vs christianity debate...
Nevertheless, I like to talk about religion, and you just have to use facts in order to have a reasonable debate... if everyone tells you whether or not they believe in god.. it's not a real debate... it's merely a poll.
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I wonder if God has a big cock.
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Just be good people. Don't do things that harm others or force your opinions on someone else.
Regardless if you are religious or not the 10 Commandments for example are pretty basic common sense rules to abide by. Most do it anyway.
you hypocrite you just forced your opinion on me just a few hours ago
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JNN, what evidence have atheists provided that Christians haven't debunked? Like I said, there are a lot reputable atheists scientists that can't explain their agenda and have concluded that there must be a creator. Lee Strobel, a former athiest wrote a great book on it, "The Case For Christ".
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JNN, what evidence have atheists provided that Christians haven't debunked? Like I said, there are a lot reputable atheists scientists that can't explain their agenda and have concluded that there must be a creator. Lee Strobel, a former athiest wrote a great book on it, "The Case For Christ".
i think you are taking me as a "Atheist"....I actually believe that their is a God/Higher power which is odd because i'm, like I said, a fairly liberal democrat
However, I, honestly, don't think that he/she/it doesn't care at all at what we do with our lives
I wonder if God has a big cock.
if God was a dude, of course he woud
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JNN, what evidence have atheists provided that Christians haven't debunked? Like I said, there are a lot reputable atheists scientists that can't explain their agenda and have concluded that there must be a creator. Lee Strobel, a former athiest wrote a great book on it, "The Case For Christ".
The Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old. Who is telling the truth? God or scientists?
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Maybe they should it would make more sense , I've seen both of them.
What about Bigfoot?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197
Thank god.
Strobel is a clown with an agenda. Science aka. reality is neutral.
http://www.daylightatheism.org/series/the-case-for-a-creator
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if God was a dude, of course he woud
Of course he's a dude ,he got Mary pregnant .
He got Mary pregnant without her consent ,isn't that rape ???
How big do you think his cock is ,12 inchers?
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Pointing something out and blasting Chrisians for their faith are two different things. I don't call out or bag on athiests but I guess athiests feel the need to ridicule Christians every chance they get, why is that?
To admit they will end up in Heaven or Hell would would require accountability for their actions here on earth.
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Of course he's a dude ,he got Mary pregnant .
He got Mary pregnant without her consent ,isn't that rape ???
How big do you think his cock is ,12 inchers?
Its GOD, he can't be outdone by a Blue Whale.
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Its GOD, he can't be outdone by a Blue Whale.
Damn,good point.
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Slayer says there is no god - they must be right.
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That's where people have it wrong. Science is not a "be all, end all" type thing.
Science basically TRIES to explain how and why things happen. It is constantly evolving and ever changing. Meaning that if for example 20 years ago somebody made a theory why birds migrate south for the winter or why plants grow toward the sun ...and then 20 years later somebody disproves that theory, the latter more appropriate theory is the accepted one.
There are many examples of theories being changed or flat out proven. Do some googling.
The thing about religion thumpers is that for ANYTHING that they can not understand or anything that science has not gotten around to explaining they automatically say "it's god's doing or god's will".
You can not just say god is responsible for shit that you can't comprehend or just because it's a coincidence.
Science flies you too the moon. Religion flies you into buildings......and no im no " atheist ". Its funny if someone doesnt follow a religion that millions and millions ( joining the bandwagon) of other people are apart of, they get labeled an atheist. I was raised catholic, went to a catholic grade school wearing those " uniforms ", for almost 10 years, going to church twice a week. I do believe in GOD/jesus(same person) BUT..........WORLDLY/ORGANIZED RELIGION such as Catholicism, christianity, etc........are MENTALLY BRUTAL. They are EXTREMELY MIND CONTROLLING/BRAIN-WASHING. Alot of people call religion a disease/illness and it is. Religion isnt only an illness, it also Causes mental illness'. Religions like Catholicism/christianity have been EXTREMELY Corrupted by MAN.
Did you know that THE VATICAN has 5 BILLION DOLLARS??? Thats funny........i didnt know it costs that much money too simply Believe/have faith in GOD?? Its also funny how Religion says that MONEY is the root of all evil and creates greed/selfishness BUT yet.......on every bill it says " In GOD we trust".
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That must have been a Pro BB.... the wank is nearly non-existent.
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Science flies you too the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.
Nah. Get it right. islam does the latter one.
Here's a simple one for you: Christians may well die for their faith, but muslims will kill for theirs.
Oh... And I'm an atheist. ;D
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Nah. Get it right. islam does the latter one.
Here's a simple one for you: Christians may well die for their faith, but muslims will kill for theirs.
Oh... And I'm an atheist. ;D
There is a little thing called the Crusades you should read up about.
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There is a little thing called the Crusades you should read up about.
There's also a couple of things you should read. The New Testament and the shitty old Koran. A genuine Christian (not the stupid pope or anyone that would engage in a holy war for god) would follow Jesus of Nazareth who never killed, maimed, raped or even harmed anyone. In fact, if you were to believe the reports Jesus pretty much healed the sick, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind and forgave people their "sins". Sounds like a nice enough guy to this atheist.
Old mohammed on the other hand...
Well, you know what he's all about don't you? No? He was a fucktard murdering pedophile. And so are his followers. And that's just for starters.
Nice, albeit amateurish effort.
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There's also a couple of things you should read. The New Testament and the shitty old Koran. A genuine Christian (not the stupid pope or anyone that would engage in a holy war for god) would follow Jesus of Nazareth who never killed, maimed, raped or even harmed anyone. In fact, if you were to believe the reports Jesus pretty much healed the sick, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind and forgave people their "sins". Sounds like a nice enough guy to this atheist.
Old mohammed on the other hand...
Well, you know what he's all about don't you. No? He was a fucktard murdering pedophile. And so are his followers. And that's just for starters.
Nice, albeit amateurish effort.
Yes well Jesus is a completely mythical character and as for the bible - plenty of Christians subscribe to that Old Testament, including the exemplary piece of forward thinking called Leviticus.
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Wow, some real......you know what, my comment isn't enough to waste my breath on. I'm not a Catholic but my wife is, I'm a non-denominational Christian but to say blanket statements really shows some serious ignorance. You believe (or not) in what you want and we'll believe in what we want. This is what I was takking about earlier when I said athiests need to try to prove some kind point, if you want to make a point between religion and politics, here it is, in this thread. Like liberals, atheists seem try soo hard to prove a point but it all comes down to bashing and name calling. Its pathetic, really really pathetic. Like liberals, there have been very few athiests I've met with any commonsense.
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Yes well Jesus is a completely mythical character and as for the bible - plenty of Christians subscribe to that Old Testament, including the exemplary piece of forward thinking called Leviticus.
Wow. I bet you lip synch when you read. Leviticus was written for the Hebrews. So far as we can tell, Jesus was a historical figure but it is a given that there are some that think otherwise. Me? I just doubt the whole son of god thing. mohammed is also a hysterical...errrrr...hi storical figure too. I don't believe in feeding shit to people therefor I don't sugarcoat it just to make it more palatable.
islam is shit.
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Wow, some real......you know what, my comment isn't enough to waste my breath on. I'm not a Catholic but my wife is, I'm a non-denominational Christian but to say blanket statements really shows some serious ignorance. You believe (or not) in what you want and we'll believe in what we want. This is what I was takking about earlier when I said athiests need to try to prove some kind point, if you want to make a point between religion and politics, here it is, in this thread. Like liberals, atheists seem try soo hard to prove a point but it all comes down to bashing and name calling. Its pathetic, really really pathetic. Like liberals, there have been very few athiests I've met with any commonsense.
I am far more conservative than you shall likely ever be. ;) I just happen to be an atheist that thinks the very few real Christians I personally know deserve to be treated with respect. Fuck islam and fuck liberalism. Sugar coated shit is what those two belief systems are. Fuck that noise.
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Wow. I bet you lip synch when you read. Leviticus was written for the Hebrews. So far as we can tell, Jesus was a historical figure but it is a given that there are some that think otherwise. Me? I just doubt the whole son of god thing. mohammed is also a hysterical...errrrr...hi storical figure too. I don't believe in feeding shit to people therefor I don't sugarcoat it just to make it more palatable.
islam is shit.
Never did I argue that Islam was great - as for Christianity that has been moderated by the protestants and secularism. Otherwise I'm sure we would still be burning heretics at the stake.
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Everyone should be treated with respect regardless of religion or political views, as far as I'm concerned religon, as I see it, should be personal between me and God, not an Organized religon. It should be respected no matter how someone feels about feels about. Islam should be the same way, but they really ruined their rep..lol!
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I'm not a Catholic but my wife is
Tell me about it. She keeps trying to convert me.
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There's a time and place for children to participate in a thread, this ain't the time, try another thread Jr.
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Everyone should be treated with respect regardless of religion or political views, as far as I'm concerned religon, as I see it, should be personal between me and God, not an Organized religon. It should be respected no matter how someone feels about feels about. Islam should be the same way, but they really ruined their rep..lol!
Nope. Respect is never given, it needs to be earned. I refuse to respect a bunch of misogynistic, pedophile, murdering douchebags. You know, muslims. Fake followers of Jesus are shitbags too. The moment you begin to live your faith is the moment you will have my respect for your faith. Do you understand this? You should. Shall I instruct you further?
It is not that which goes into a person that causes him to sin but rather that which comes out.
If, and I do mean if, you desire the respect of others for your belief in the Christ, then live it not just talk it. As it stands now, all you do is talk it. Don't like my words? Perhaps that is due to the fact they are true.
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As I've said on here before, how I am on here is not the way I am in real life. I have one person that can judge me and although when I'm confronted on HERE, I sometimes am not proud of actions. But even though, when asked, even from the people who dislike me, I help as long as its sincere. I can't tell you the number of people I have helped or givin advise to (when asked) that have only gone to backstab me in a thread. I chose not to help or answer anymore on here unless I know who the poster is.
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I am polytheistic and believe in 13 or more gods.
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Everyone should be treated with respect regardless of religion or political views, as far as I'm concerned religon, as I see it, should be personal between me and God, not an Organized religon. It should be respected no matter how someone feels about feels about. Islam should be the same way, but they really ruined their rep..lol!
It should be personal between you and god, but you still decided to get married in the name of god, in the house of god, infront of hundreds of people, that is not very personal.
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It should be personal between you and god, but you still decided to get married in the name of god, in the house of god, infront of hundreds of people, that is not very personal.
"Hundreds of people"? Dude, who do you think I am, a celebrity? Besides, I know you know what I was talking about.
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The way I see it, the problem is "Belief in God" means different things to different people.
Do you mean God, a Creator of all of this?
or Do you mean God, who interacts with and cares about each and every one of us?
The first definition, I can kind of go for. The second, I see no evidence of. We're on our own.
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islam christianity and judism are basically the same thing, believing more or less the same things...
one things for sure chritianity was just as evil and twisted as islam, or it was a few 100 yrs ago.. maybe in another century the rag heads may have chilled out a bit.
i believe you look after your self and your family... and thats it
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islam christianity and judism are basically the same thing, believing more or less the same things...
one things for sure chritianity was just as evil and twisted as islam, or it was a few 100 yrs ago.. maybe in another century the rag heads may have chilled out a bit.
i believe you look after your self and your family... and thats it
Genetically speaking, the entire human population is one family. Peoples' ideologies and attitudes separate us.
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islam christianity and judism are basically the same thing, believing more or less the same things...
one things for sure chritianity was just as evil and twisted as islam, or it was a few 100 yrs ago.. maybe in another century the rag heads may have chilled out a bit.
i believe you look after your self and your family... and thats it
LOL what seminary did you attend>?
I swear the IQ level of some most of you guys is down right scary :o
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LOL what seminary did you attend>?
I swear the IQ level of some most of you guys is down right scary :o
Hell, you can look at our own history and see how we Americans have perverted and twisted Christianity to our whims. The Salem Witch Trials, the book The Scarlet Letter, TV Evangelism (Rev Ike, Benny Hinn, That Baker dude, etc).
And the bible has been edited and re edited to make everybody, especially Jesus Christ to look like he came straight out of Marvel Comicbook, before Marvel Comics. There is the issue of his "missing" childhood, possibly edited out, not much talk on his sisters and brothers. Not much on his relationship with Mary the Hooker (probably edited out).
The fact that some of the Saints were not the most honest people in the world---the film Agora touched on this ..
And we could go on to the Crusades, or how about the Northern part of Canada. There was a Norse settlement up there that died out. They had access to indians, but the natives prayed to the animal spirits and thank them foe their food---these Norse folk were Christians and wanted none of that---you know the deal.
Followers of all three of these religions seem to act like squabbling kids, vying for attention, and want to claim who is right---neither seeing the commonalities that they share---one (Muslims) now want to mOe everybody Muslim---just as the Spanish and Portuguese tried making everyone in the New World Christian---via force or pain of death---meanwhile taking gold and fucking all the women, giving diseases and introducing slavery---How Christ like!
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LOL what seminary did you attend>?
I swear the IQ level of some most of you guys is down right scary :o
most my brain space is took up with engineering, i dont claim to have read the whole of the koran or the bible... the basic concepts are the same, altho the message through the fairy tales may differ
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Atheism seems like a simple choice for someone who is only basing their beliefs on logic and not faith.
Actually, theistic belief is inversely correlated with IQ. The people with highest IQs are the most likely to ne atbeists.
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Science and Fate!? Oh brother. Let me know when that gets published.
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Wow, some real......you know what, my comment isn't enough to waste my breath on. I'm not a Catholic but my wife is, I'm a non-denominational Christian but to say blanket statements really shows some serious ignorance. You believe (or not) in what you want and we'll believe in what we want. This is what I was takking about earlier when I said athiests need to try to prove some kind point, if you want to make a point between religion and politics, here it is, in this thread. Like liberals, atheists seem try soo hard to prove a point but it all comes down to bashing and name calling. Its pathetic, really really pathetic. Like liberals, there have been very few athiests I've met with any commonsense.
Coach,
You really are funny referring to making blanket statements as being ignorant, yet you do it yourself!
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Coach,
You really are funny referring to making blanket statements as being ignorant, yet you do it yourself!
I never make blanket statements regarding religion or politics, I am or TRY to be careful of what I say. I realize that's good and bad, right and wrong if every aspect. I never start threads about atheism or atheists in general, but there are quite a few people on that are atheists who purposely go out of their way to bash Christianity and God. Every time and I do mean every time, there is some disaster that takes place, you're going to have that dickhead who will post something like "Where's your God now"? just to purposely try to get a reaction from the Christians on here.
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Hell, you can look at our own history and see how we Americans have perverted and twisted Christianity to our whims. The Salem Witch Trials, the book The Scarlet Letter, TV Evangelism (Rev Ike, Benny Hinn, That Baker dude, etc).
And the bible has been edited and re edited to make everybody, especially Jesus Christ to look like he came straight out of Marvel Comicbook, before Marvel Comics. There is the issue of his "missing" childhood, possibly edited out, not much talk on his sisters and brothers. Not much on his relationship with Mary the Hooker (probably edited out).
The fact that some of the Saints were not the most honest people in the world---the film Agora touched on this ..
And we could go on to the Crusades, or how about the Northern part of Canada. There was a Norse settlement up there that died out. They had access to indians, but the natives prayed to the animal spirits and thank them foe their food---these Norse folk were Christians and wanted none of that---you know the deal.
Followers of all three of these religions seem to act like squabbling kids, vying for attention, and want to claim who is right---neither seeing the commonalities that they share---one (Muslims) now want to mOe everybody Muslim---just as the Spanish and Portuguese tried making everyone in the New World Christian---via force or pain of death---meanwhile taking gold and fucking all the women, giving diseases and introducing slavery---How Christ like!
Read your Bible gangsta..
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I never make blanket statements regarding religion or politics, I am or TRY to be careful of what I say. I realize that's good and bad, right and wrong if every aspect. I never start threads about atheism or atheists in general, but there are quite a few people on that are atheists who purposely go out of their way to bash Christianity and God. Every time and I do mean every time, there is some disaster that takes place, you're going to have that dickhead who will post something like "Where's your God now"? just to purposely try to get a reaction from the Christians on here.
"Like liberals, atheists seem try soo hard to prove a point but it all comes down to bashing and name calling. Its pathetic, really really pathetic. Like liberals, there have been very few athiests I've met with any commonsense."
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Hitchens is fighting esophageal cancer at the moment. 5% survival rate. It doesn't look good.
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"Like liberals, atheists seem try soo hard to prove a point but it all comes down to bashing and name calling. Its pathetic, really really pathetic. Like liberals, there have been very few athiests I've met with any commonsense."
Wasn't a blanket statement.
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Hitchens is fighting cancer at the moment. 5% survival rate. It doesn't look good.
Ya he's fucked. He's an amazing debater.
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The guy says that he has evidence that Jesus was God incarnate. What is he referring to?
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I never make blanket statements regarding religion or politics, I am or TRY to be careful of what I say. I realize that's good and bad, right and wrong if every aspect. I never start threads about atheism or atheists in general, but there are quite a few people on that are atheists who purposely go out of their way to bash Christianity and God. Every time and I do mean every time, there is some disaster that takes place, you're going to have that dickhead who will post something like "Where's your God now"? just to purposely try to get a reaction from the Christians on here.
Tell me how those were not blanket statements??
I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, there are a few people in all of these segments that want to push their agenda down your throat.
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Wasn't a blanket statement.
Quite correct, Coach. It's two.
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This thread is like religion: it dies out ever so slowly....
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This thread is like religion: it dies out ever so slowly....
So I guess this thread will take over 2000 years?
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Read your Bible gangsta..
but only if it's King James
if it ain't King James, it ain't the bible
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Read your Bible gangsta..
The only Bible I know is the gh15's...it's the only one that matters
gh15 is a god,,,,liar priest is not. Phil is broom with arms....
Hormona 3:16
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The only Bible I know is the gh15's...it's the only one that matters
gh15 is a god,,,,liar priest is not. Phil is broom with arms....
Hormona 3:16
That's the guy who wore the rainbow wig at sporting events, right?
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That's the guy who wore the rainbow wig at sporting events, right?
I thought that was ' Captain Fago ' ?
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I thought that was ' Captain Fago ' ?
Don't think I want to know about that guy. The guy I was thinking of was a fixture at sporting events for 20-odd years, usually behind home plate or goalposts, and always holding a John 3:16 sign.
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it. everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it. everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.
QFT
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Some folks need to do some world travel. You will find that in EVERY fucking country, town, city, planet, hole or whatever... people always aspire to some form of higher being.
Where do you think this comes from? It is innate. Why? Well, here we go again.
Philosophy and Getbig mix like oil and water. Ain't happenin, unless there are some getbiggers full of enough bile to attempt it.
I don't think anyone ever changes their mind about the way they believe. They may state that they do, but inside, they stay where they are on the subject.
Atheism is the perfect answer for a simple man with a simple mind. They want to use "science" as their basis but you may as well throw Atheism into the "Science Fact" column and religion into the "Science Fiction" column.
We all know that there are some assertions, which neither side can prove nor disprove.
I suppose even when you look at someone like Mike Mentzer, and you read all of his science and dogma, you realize too, that "objectivism" was best suited for him. Initially, one can reject Christianity but still consider it possible that a supernatural creator of the universe may exist, until the facts established by science are understood, then the only honest option is atheism.
I don't know where Mike and his brother were spiritually when they were actually on their deathbeds, but I do wonder at times.
I prefer Christianity, but I completely understand the logic behind Atheism when it comes to scrutinizing all of the seemingly obvious 'flaws' in the Bible. Too many things that don't make sense, and then all of the "why are babies raped?" questions arise.
Atheism seems like a simple choice for someone who is only basing their beliefs on logic and not faith.
....it's called instinct of survival... a more evolued one compared to the one of animals, but with the same ultimate purpose. We exist to prevail , kill if needed, and to make alliances if we calculate it improves our chances of survival. We re all driven by interests.
Everything is biological first. Matter spawns what we "feel".
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge.
haha. Go tell that to people in africa, in middle east...
You re so ignorant. You need to travel. Then you would figure we re just animals, all motivated by our instinct of survival first and foremost.
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it. everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.
Textbook example of cherry picking , congrats.
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God is
a story in a book and nothing more.
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haha. Go tell that to people in africa, in middle east...
You re so ignorant. You need to travel. Then you would figure we re just animals, all motivated by our instinct of survival first and foremost.
??? africa and the middle east are two of the most religious regions on earth. i would be literally preaching to the choir.
Textbook example of cherry picking , congrats.
cherry picking what exactly? the truth is open for all to see. the bible is written by man, and it was mans best attempt at putting truth and perfection into words, something that can not be done. it may have been very accurate, but we do not know how the writers interpreted it and thus we dont know how to interpret it. some of it has wisdom, some of it is flawed because we dont understand the context in which it arouse. jesus was probably the son of god, cant be 100%% sure cuz i never met him, but for thousands of years people have been dying for his name, and that is proof enough for most. records of his teachings reveal great wisdom. but i think the wisdom that was available to jesus is available to us as well. we can all be prophets if we ask god to show us the way of righteousness and use our minds to seek truth. but one must be careful about preaching because we all have different standpoints, weve all been shaped and misshaped by our experience, and thus we can get closer and closer to the truth, but we can never really be sure that we are on the money.
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Like I tried to point out. If science can't explain it, humans can't explain it. So the problem remains open, there is no answer, atleast yet.
nope. wrong. science can never give us an answer. it can only give probabilities of likelyhood for inconsequential nonsense.
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??? africa and the middle east are two of the most religious regions on earth. i would be literally preaching to the choir.
cherry picking what exactly? the truth is open for all to see. the bible is written by man, and it was mans best attempt at putting truth and perfection into words, something that can not be done. it may have been very accurate, but we do not know how the writers interpreted it and thus we dont know how to interpret it. some of it has wisdom, some of it is flawed because we dont understand the context in which it arouse. jesus was probably the son of god, cant be 100%% sure cuz i never met him, but for thousands of years people have been dying for his name, and that is proof enough for most. records of his teachings reveal great wisdom. but i think the wisdom that was available to jesus is available to us as well. we can all be prophets if we ask god to show us the way of righteousness and use our minds to seek truth. but one must be careful about preaching because we all have different standpoints, weve all been shaped and misshaped by our experience, and thus we can get closer and closer to the truth, but we can never really be sure that we are on the money.
Cherry picking what? everything YOU like about the God story to fit your nice little ideal of what a deity should be all the while completing tossing out any of the negativity associated with him. classic textbook example
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Cherry picking what? everything YOU like about the God story to fit your nice little ideal of what a deity should be all the while completing tossing out any of the negativity associated with him. classic textbook example
God, by definition, is perfect. dont need to cherry pick anything.
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God, by definition, is perfect. dont need to cherry pick anything.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270
sure he is ::)
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270
sure he is ::)
so your mad at God because he didnt grant you immidiate entrance into heaven huh.
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so your mad at God because he didnt grant you immidiate entrance into heaven huh.
Great come back
I don't get mad at literally figures , I'm no more angry at God than I am Iago.
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Great come back
you think that you deserve perfection, and you dont experience it, so you think God must not exist because if he did he would surely have granted you perfection from the moment you were born. :-\
ND, God is perfect and when you meet him you will love everything about him more than you could ever imagine loving anything.
the events on this earth are inconsequential, the time you will spend in the afterlife will be infinitely longer than the time you spend here, this is just the primer for us young souls, so we can begin to appreciate goodness, and gods awesome perfection. the growth process has to start somewhere... no up without down.
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nope. wrong. science can never give us an answer. it can only give probabilities of likelyhood for inconsequential nonsense.
Speaking of nonsense.
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ND, God is perfect and when you meet him you will love everything about him more than you could ever imagine loving anything.
the events on this earth are inconsequential, the time you will spend in the afterlife will be infinitely longer than the time you spend here, this is just the primer for us young souls, so we can begin to appreciate goodness, and gods awesome perfection. the growth process has to start somewhere... no up without down.
God the perfect being who creates imperfect creatures and then punishes him for those imperfections? Oh that's right according to YOUR version of God he doesn't punish in your version of the story he's all puppies and rainbows ::)
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ND, God is perfect and when you meet him you will love everything about him more than you could ever imagine loving anything.
the events on this earth are inconsequential, the time you will spend in the afterlife will be infinitely longer than the time you spend here, this is just the primer for us young souls, so we can begin to appreciate goodness, and gods awesome perfection. the growth process has to start somewhere... no up without down.
What form does "He" take.
After death, do you remain in your own body, fully aware of your senses, entering another dimension?
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so your mad at God because he didnt grant you immidiate entrance into heaven huh.
so where does evil come from? your above post is in direct contradiction to the attributes you ascribe to god. He didn't create it? something else did? how can something be perfect and not contain all sets of variables? ie evil as it clearly exists if you consider good to exist.
it is logically impossible to be omnieverything by the way, the vast majority of philosphers would agree.
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you think that you deserve perfection, and you dont experience it, so you think God must not exist because if he did he would surely have granted you perfection from the moment you were born. :-\
ND, God is perfect and when you meet him you will love everything about him more than you could ever imagine loving anything.
the events on this earth are inconsequential, the time you will spend in the afterlife will be infinitely longer than the time you spend here, this is just the primer for us young souls, so we can begin to appreciate goodness, and gods awesome perfection. the growth process has to start somewhere... no up without down.
you realize you have no way of knowing this right? i mean i know this because i am also a human and you aren't privy to information i am not. You are just spouting conjecture and this world is a reflection of your god then i would argue the opposite (see japan).
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you think that you deserve perfection, and you dont experience it, so you think God must not exist because if he did he would surely have granted you perfection from the moment you were born. :-\
ND, God is perfect and when you meet him you will love everything about him more than you could ever imagine loving anything.
the events on this earth are inconsequential, the time you will spend in the afterlife will be infinitely longer than the time you spend here, this is just the primer for us young souls, so we can begin to appreciate goodness, and gods awesome perfection. the growth process has to start somewhere... no up without down.
QFT
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you realize you have no way of knowing this right? i mean i know this because i am also a human and you aren't privy to information i am not. You are just spouting conjecture and this world is a reflection of your god then i would argue the opposite (see japan).
Like all the holy books , he has knowledge we don't possess :-\
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Speaking of nonsense.
induction and deduction can only provide probability. the happenings in this universe are inconsequential, as any time spent here will always be infinitely smaller than the time you will spend once you pass on.
use your head old man
God the perfect being who creates imperfect creatures and then punishes him for those imperfections? Oh that's right according to YOUR version of God he doesn't punish in your version of the story he's all puppies and rainbows ::)
God doesnt punish but he does teach, and if you are too far away from the light then the journey back can be a bit painful.
What form does "He" take.
After death, do you remain in your own body, fully aware of your senses, entering another dimension?
i can only guess
so where does evil come from? your above post is in direct contradiction to the attributes you ascribe to god. He didn't create it? something else did? how can something be perfect and not contain all sets of variables? ie evil as it clearly exists if you consider good to exist.
it is logically impossible to be omnieverything by the way, the vast majority of philosphers would agree.
theres no such thing as evil, i use the word to describe actions that are not heavenly. evil is just selfishness. we are not god, we are gods best attempt at creating perfect creatures, we are all given a conscousness that helps us grow throughout our lives.
you realize you have no way of knowing this right? i mean i know this because i am also a human and you aren't privy to information i am not. You are just spouting conjecture and this world is a reflection of your god then i would argue the opposite (see japan).
no way of knowing what exactly?
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god is a construct of the mind which itself is produced by matter in our skull, known as the brain. The brain has for sole and only purpose to calculate how to survive and reproduce.
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induction and deduction can only provide probability. the happenings in this universe are inconsequential, as any time spent here will always be infinitely smaller than the time you will spend once you pass on.
use your head old man
What rubbish.
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What rubbish.
No, induction is what you car's intake does...when there is less induction, you can make a logical deduction that you need a new air intake.
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No, induction is what you car's intake does...when there is less induction, you can make a logical deduction that you need a new air intake.
Don't encourage the lad. As they say, a little learning is a dangerous thing.
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God doesnt punish but he does teach, and if you are too far away from the light then the journey back can be a bit painful.
What exactly does he teach to thousands of children who have been abused by pastors or other church scum? Did they "deserve it" because "they are too far away from the light"?
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Jesus was a mushroom. A fungus among us.
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theres no such thing as evil, i use the word to describe actions that are not heavenly. evil is just selfishness. we are not god, we are gods best attempt at creating perfect creatures, we are all given a conscousness that helps us grow throughout our lives.
no way of knowing what exactly?
polarity defines our existence just so you know. You know right from wrong, man from woman. You can't quantify good without knowing what qualities it doesn't have ie bad or evil.
You also can't say god knows all then is all powerful and all good,simply because it implies that god lets bad things happen to good people, which is evil no matter what way you slice it. A benevolent being would not let harm come to those he loves and those who do not deserve it. The randomness and pure disregard this universe shows for human life is a testement to that.
and for the knowing concept, you keep saying that this life is a small part of what will happen etc.. ie conjecture. For one you have no idea if there is an afterlife, you have no idea of what will happen when we die and to top it all off if i even grant you an afterlife you can say nothing about it because you do not have knowledge of it simply because of it's nature, ie AFTER life.
not to mention the confounders and paradoxs you envoke with your assertions. So the body dies yet we still sense? without the sense organ? blind people would disagree. This type of magical thinking is dangerous, acting as if you are enlightened when really you are irrational and have disregarded rational discourse in favor of fantasy and conjecture.
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This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
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This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
Trying to find a "reason" is motivated by the instinct of survival. The concept of hope is underlied by the instinct of survival. Animals dont try to find a meaning to their life. They dont feel "hope". Dude read some books you are so ignorant it's pathetic. But i guess you re too old now. You dont know shit in anthropology, in ethology, in biology, in psychology, in neurology, in psychanalysis... You re a clown.
I guess our brain is a creation of god and hasnt been produced by processes of selection between several animal species over millions of years of development, and that all the old people in japan died in the earthquake and tsunami because they were ...evil?
Dude we are social animals who ally with each others only because it allows us to survive better. But if you have to kill someone else to insure your own survival you will. If you dont it's because you think you re not adapted, or that your instinct of survival tells you to allow someone of your own kind who has higher chances of survival to survive. It's all programmed, by simple rules, which are all underlied by the instinct of survival first and foremost. You can see this in animals, in "humans", in plants... What part of "Man is a specie of the animal reign" still didnt you understand? You re uneducated.
I dont know who s the biggest hypocrit, you not being able to stay with 4 different wives, you injecting steroids, while constantly pretending to be a faithful believer...dude. You re just another animal who built a system that allows him to survive, and your so called faith serves that only purpose in your life to sell your bullshits and improve your chances of survival, to identify with some people like you because it 's reassuring (hence improving your chances of survival). And you re talking about fairy tales ? If you believe inc onservatism it's because you met people you identified with or been raised by people who were conservatives. Had you been born somewhere else you d beleiveing something else. Had you been raised by people telling you to be a democrat you d be a democrat. You re so clueless. Just another bullshiter using everything he has to fool people into giving him their money at the end of the day.
You just can accept there s no meaning and that it's all about pure randomness. The only real thing you need to know is that in life , when you "exist" you either eat or get eaten. You either dominate, or are dominated. Everything is struggle for survival.
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This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
existace?
no one needs one as no one knows. There is no reason to envoke a god a martian or anything else, just simply be honest and say you do not know.
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existace?
extacy
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Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
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Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
Existence. ;D
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Whatever!
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Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
Explanation ;D
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Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
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so, why did these old japanese men and women get killed by an earthquake and tsunamis ? Because they "deserved it" ? I'd like your explanation. Fact is you can't accept there's no explanation, cause it scares you. Non sense and randomness equals death. It means you could die in the minute if some major random natural disaster had to happen.
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so, why did these old japanese men and women get killed by an earthquake and tsunamis ? Because they "deserved it" ? I'd like your explanation. Fact is you can't accept there's no explanation, cause it scares you. Non sense and randomness equals death. It means you could die in the minute if some major random natural disaster had to happen.
Because, it was Man's fault that they did not update the Nuclear Plant to today's standards, therefor e people must die in order for a lesson to be learned...man must learn a lesson thru his own ignorance and arrogance, so it won't happen again...
I just came with that off the top of my head.
Just a guess
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Because, it was Man's fault that they did not update the Nuclear Plant to today's standards, therefor e people must die in order for a lesson to be learned...man must learn a lesson thru his own ignorance and arrogance, so it won't happen again...
I just came with that off the top of my head.
Just a guess
i'm talking about the earthquake and tsunami induced deaths.... some believer explains to me how it was fair, what s the justice in this? Old men and women who worked all life long, did their best to raise their kids, believed in some buddhist teachings, being crushed in their houses or drowned by seawater ? No man killed them. A natural disaster did.
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i'm talking about the earthquake and tsunami induced deaths.... some believer explains to me how it was fair, what s the justice in this? Old men and women who worked all life long, did their best to raise their kids, believed in some buddhist teachings, being crushed in their houses or drowned by seawater ? No man killed them. A natural disaster did.
God tests us with suffering to see if we will stay faithful to Him.
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Trying to find a "reason" is motivated by the instinct of survival. The concept of hope is underlied by the instinct of survival. Animals dont try to find a meaning to their life. They dont feel "hope". Dude read some books you are so ignorant it's pathetic. But i guess you re too old now. You dont know shit in anthropology, in ethology, in biology, in psychology, in neurology, in psychanalysis... You re a clown.
I guess our brain is a creation of god and hasnt been produced by processes of selection between several animal species over millions of years of development, and that all the old people in japan died in the earthquake and tsunami because they were ...evil?
Dude we are social animals who ally with each others only because it allows us to survive better. But if you have to kill someone else to insure your own survival you will. If you dont it's because you think you re not adapted, or that your instinct of survival tells you to allow someone of your own kind who has higher chances of survival to survive. It's all programmed, by simple rules, which are all underlied by the instinct of survival first and foremost. You can see this in animals, in "humans", in plants... What part of "Man is a specie of the animal reign" still didnt you understand? You re uneducated.
I dont know who s the biggest hypocrit, you not being able to stay with 4 different wives, you injecting steroids, while constantly pretending to be a faithful believer...dude. You re just another animal who built a system that allows him to survive, and your so called faith serves that only purpose in your life to sell your bullshits and improve your chances of survival, to identify with some people like you because it 's reassuring (hence improving your chances of survival). And you re talking about fairy tales ? If you believe inc onservatism it's because you met people you identified with or been raised by people who were conservatives. Had you been born somewhere else you d beleiveing something else. Had you been raised by people telling you to be a democrat you d be a democrat. You re so clueless. Just another bullshiter using everything he has to fool people into giving him their money at the end of the day.
You just can accept there s no meaning and that it's all about pure randomness. The only real thing you need to know is that in life , when you "exist" you either eat or get eaten. You either dominate, or are dominated. Everything is struggle for survival.
I am quite sure that when completely immersing oneself into such an opinionated and somewhat logical diatribe, the very least one may be expected to do is proof-read, or at least use spellcheck, if for nothing else, just to maintain a sense of "credibility" so that those of us who might have somewhat of an education are not completely turned off by your inability to be thorough.
It makes no logical sense to lower yourself to name calling and describing someone as "pathetic" - and then speaking of hypocrisy. Get my drift Einstein?
BTW, Einstein may have been a genius, but was also a pedophile. Ironic isn't it?
Asking too much?
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could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?
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could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?
Red Hammer!
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could god microwave a burrito so hot that He could not eat it?
No. But if he microwaves a burrito in a plastic container, he may get cancer.
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I am quite sure that when completely immersing oneself into such an opinionated and somewhat logical diatribe, the very least one may be expected to do is proof-read, or at least use spellcheck, if for nothing else, just to maintain a sense of "credibility" so that those of us who might have somewhat of an education are not completely turned off by your inability to be thorough.
It makes no logical sense to lower yourself to name calling and describing someone as "pathetic" - and then speaking of hypocrisy. Get my drift Einstein?
BTW, Einstein may have been a genius, but was also a pedophile. Ironic isn't it?
Asking too much?
Einstein abandoned his wife and second son who became paranoid, schizoid and killed himself in a psychiatric hospital. His first son -he raised with his first wife (the same) before leaving her for another one- became an engeener in the united states. A part of his biography he was obviously not proud of and that made him question human condition and his own existence on earth. Odds are high both his sons were extremely intelligent, as he was, but because the second son has been abandonned and faced the separation of his parents became crazy and hateful.
Einstein was definetely not a pure soul. Some say he also stole from other people most of what other said he 'discovered' .
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God tests us with suffering to see if we will stay faithful to Him.
Well, these tests need to be multiple choice, with a Option D...
God needs to get with the program...why must HE be so old skool?
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As I've said on here before, how I am on here is not the way I am in real life. I have one person that can judge me and although when I'm confronted on HERE, I sometimes am not proud of actions. But even though, when asked, even from the people who dislike me, I help as long as its sincere. I can't tell you the number of people I have helped or givin advise to (when asked) that have only gone to backstab me in a thread. I chose not to help or answer anymore on here unless I know who the poster is.
Then you are not a true follower of the Christ. As to the number of people you've helped, do I, an atheist need to remind you of Jesus' words? What you do, do in secret so that your father in heaven may reward you.
Is it so difficult to be what you claim to be?
Of course I nor anyone else knows that's why we call it "faith". But again, what other explaination is there for yes, I'll say it again, our existance!
It's not faith unless you actually live it. Sans any action, any holding fast to and really living your beliefs you have no faith. Just words written in a book. If there were faith, then and only then would those words be written on your heart. As you have closed your heart, you might as well close the book. You have eyes. Open them. You have ears. Use them. By your actions you mock the one you claim to worship and in doing so belittle something that should be special.
Don't worry. You've plenty of company. Especially on Sundays.
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it. everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.
As the late, great, Sam Kinison said - "Suck the dick. Lose the Kingdom."
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polarity defines our existence just so you know. You know right from wrong, man from woman. You can't quantify good without knowing what qualities it doesn't have ie bad or evil.
You also can't say god knows all then is all powerful and all good,simply because it implies that god lets bad things happen to good people, which is evil no matter what way you slice it. A benevolent being would not let harm come to those he loves and those who do not deserve it. The randomness and pure disregard this universe shows for human life is a testement to that.
and for the knowing concept, you keep saying that this life is a small part of what will happen etc.. ie conjecture. For one you have no idea if there is an afterlife, you have no idea of what will happen when we die and to top it all off if i even grant you an afterlife you can say nothing about it because you do not have knowledge of it simply because of it's nature, ie AFTER life.
not to mention the confounders and paradoxs you envoke with your assertions. So the body dies yet we still sense? without the sense organ? blind people would disagree. This type of magical thinking is dangerous, acting as if you are enlightened when really you are irrational and have disregarded rational discourse in favor of fantasy and conjecture.
Dude, you're making too much sense for tbombz.
The kid thinks he knows more than he really does. Every time he opens his mouth about religion/faith/god it makes me cringe.
I used to have a real life tbmobz that was in 2 of my classes in college. Fucker would just spew off random bullshit he would come up with trying to have a discussion with the prof...the whole time he was thinking he knew more and better until a few choice words would show he's an idiot and the whole class would start snickering because everybody just witnessed an idiot get owned.
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Dude, you're making too much sense for tbombz.
The kid thinks he knows more than he really does. Every time he opens his mouth about religion/faith/god it makes me cringe.
I used to have a real life tbmobz that was in 2 of my classes in college. Fucker would just spew off random bullshit he would come up with trying to have a discussion with the prof...the whole time he was thinking he knew more and better until a few choice words would show he's an idiot and the whole class would start snickering because everybody just witnessed an idiot get owned.
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Are you sayin' tbombz could challenge a collegiate academia professor in a lively debate? ;D
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so, why did these old japanese men and women get killed by an earthquake and tsunamis ? Because they "deserved it" ? I'd like your explanation. Fact is you can't accept there's no explanation, cause it scares you. Non sense and randomness equals death. It means you could die in the minute if some major random natural disaster had to happen.
All your questions can be answered in the BIble.
Ecclesiastes11:5
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God is all powerful and all good. he does not seek revenge. that is something only an imperfect egotistical entity would desire. revenge is evil. eternal damnation is evil. God is perfect and has no evil in him. the idea of hell and eternal damnation is ludacris. God is all powerful and all good, he sends no one to hell, hell doesnt exist. neither does satan. same reason why hell doesnt exist. God wouldnt allow it. everyone will make it into heaven, good or bad. the good ones will have an easy time. the bad people will have to learn how to be good, and through this process they will suffer greatly through grief over their wrong doings. because to be good you must feel sadness over wrong. the more bad you are in this life, the more pain and suffering you will experience while you learn to be heavenly. everything balances out when you extend the time period long enough.
Seriously where are you getting this from? Is this your own made up religion?
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Seriously where are you getting this from? Is this your own made up religion?
The same place he gets his training theories it would seem, buried deep within a mound of excrement.
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Reeves, ridicule all you want, say I'm not a true follower, whatever you want. Fact is EVERYONE is a sinner and being a Christian is the hardest thing anyone can do. I'm going to leave it at that. You don't know me except for on here, you don't know the way I conduct my life outside of here. I'm just going to leave it at that.
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Reeves, ridicule all you want, say I'm not a true follower, whatever you want. Fact is EVERYONE is a sinner and being a Christian is the hardest thing anyone can do. I'm going to leave it at that. You don't know me except for on here, you don't know the way I conduct my life outside of here. I'm just going to leave it at that.
A "Christian" who is juiced to his eyeballs, looks at porn, loves to fight...... Sounds like a very spiritual path for sure.
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I'm juiced to the eyeballs and look at porn?
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Fact is EVERYONE is a sinner
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I'm juiced to the eyeballs and look at porn?
Well, you are obviously juiced to the eyeballs. Anyone with eyes can see that.
Porn... you're a getbigger, we all look at porn and WYHI threads. I think i've seen you comment on them too.
But most Christians nowadays really don't live a disciplined life at all and they don't practice their religion in daily life. So what you're doing is not unusual at all.
At least the Muslems actually practice their religion with discipline. Can't say the same about Christians.
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Its obvious I'm juiced to the eyeballs? Hahaha, hardly. You sound like GH15, lol
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Its obvious I'm juiced to the eyeballs? Hahaha, hardly. You sound like GH15, lol
I saw your thong pictures.
Yes, you were all juiced up there without a doubt.
Right now you might only be on HRT, but you definitely know what it's like to do heavy amounts of gear?
What would Jesus do? He would do a lot of tren and test, then beat the shit out of people in an octagon.
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Don't let my "thong" pictures fool you, I wasn't on a whole hell of a lot and everthing was legal. You forget how long I've been training, trust me when I say it takes very little.
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Reeves, ridicule all you want, say I'm not a true follower, whatever you want. Fact is EVERYONE is a sinner and being a Christian is the hardest thing anyone can do. I'm going to leave it at that. You don't know me except for on here, you don't know the way I conduct my life outside of here. I'm just going to leave it at that.
Ridicule? Were I to ridicule you the laughter from those reading my words would shake the walls. ;) You don't know ridicule. What you do know but fail to acknowledge is your all too human desire to do what you want and blame it on being human.
Being a Christian, a true follower of the Christ is not hard. You and many like you are simply lazy. You state I don't know you but I tell you this child, I do know you for I have met you and others just like you. Every single day I meet people like you. You are far from unique young man and that is because you are far from the truth of that which you so eagerly profess and so miserably fail at living. Your faith in Jesus.
I told you before you have only words that are written on a page in a book when if you knew the author those very same words would be written on your heart. Fool. Lazy, simpleton that you are. If you can't fool an old atheist be assured that if there is a God you're not fooling him either. But there isn't and the only one you're fooling is...Yourself.
Nah. Nobody's that gullible. You have been shown the way out and slammed the door on yourself. And for the record, fuck catholicism and islam. Two cults with the former being only slightly less evil than the latter.
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God is all powerful and all good. ..
Sorry man, but that is almost impossible. God created the world and the laws of nature. Why does this world kill people in a random fashion, in natural disasters. You cannot argue with "free will" and "choice" in the case of evil caused by natural disaster, as no human volition is involved.
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This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
Well, we are hairless monkeys that should accept that there are things we do not know. Christians don´t accept this, but rather invents a braindead creation myth that you need to be a mix of desperate/retarded/anxious/gullable etc., to believe in.
Atheists accept that we cannot know everything. Christians don´t.
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This is what I was talking earlier, uberman is the perfect example of what I was referring to,"a fairy tail, a figment of peoples imagination and so on and so on, forget he still or any atheist still can't come up with a reason about how are existace started.
And not one single Christian can explain how God's existence got started , your point? everything needs a creator in order to be created , except God ::)
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Answer me this one question: "Why is there so much consistent and heated debate over Christianity vs. Atheism?"
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science proved we are a computer with a memory, or hard drive, full of inprints: the people we copy, identify with, automatically and subconsciously since we are born. This is what makes our personality, identity. We are the sum of what we ve RANDOMLY been exposed to. Nothing is "new", because is always built on what was previously. And everything we learn is only learnt to increase our chances of survival.
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10 pages by midweek
another page and a half motherfuckers
always bet on Black and always bet a thread about religion will be bait for all the Rhodes Scholar's on a forum about working out and jabbing syringes in your ass
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Ridicule? Were I to ridicule you the laughter from those reading my words would shake the walls. ;) You don't know ridicule. What you do know but fail to acknowledge is your all too human desire to do what you want and blame it on being human.
Being a Christian, a true follower of the Christ is not hard. You and many like you are simply lazy. You state I don't know you but I tell you this child, I do know you for I have met you and others just like you. Every single day I meet people like you. You are far from unique young man and that is because you are far from the truth of that which you so eagerly profess and so miserably fail at living. Your faith in Jesus.
I told you before you have only words that are written on a page in a book when if you knew the author those very same words would be written on your heart. Fool. Lazy, simpleton that you are. If you can't fool an old atheist be assured that if there is a God you're not fooling him either. But there isn't and the only one you're fooling is...Yourself.
Nah. Nobody's that gullible. You have been shown the way out and slammed the door on yourself. And for the record, fuck catholicism and islam. Two cults with the former being only slightly less evil than the latter.
This is going to be my last post on this subject because some people seem to think they know me or other Christians they haven't met better than I know myself. You, in fact did make a blanket statement regarding me and "others like me". Like I said, you want to be judgmental go a head, but just to let you, it's definitely NOT your place to judge anyone whether you think you know them in a real life situation or on here.
So, you think being a true follower of Christ is easy? Can you live your life without sin? Do you think even the best Christian couldn't live their life without sin?
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And not one single Christian can explain how God's existence got started , your point? everything needs a creator in order to be created , except God ::)
Neither can any atheist....whats their point?
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This is going to be my last post on this subject
Neither can any atheist....whats their point?
Liar ;)
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Neither can any atheist....whats their point?
That IS the whole point... by our philosophy we don't have to know because we cant(at this point) know the origin of the universe. But you claim to know the answer so the burden of proof is upon you.
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another page and a half motherfuckers
always bet on Black and always bet a thread about religion will be bait for all the Rhodes Scholar's on a forum about working out and jabbing syringes in your ass
On the money. 8)
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A recent observation:
I have a few face book friends that feel the need to post bible scripture as their updates. A few will often state how they are Christians and love Jesus...
I have little problem with that, although I think for the most part it's just part of their attention getting need that causes them to post those things. But.... The same people who last week posted bible scriptures about prayer and healing, are the same folks that this week complain about chronic pain and illness...
Being too politically correct to point out their hypocrasy and lack of faith in the comment section, I ignore it. But I can't help but think "Pick a friggin belief and stick with it" either Jesus/God answers prayers and heals or he doesn't. Don't say he does in one breath and in the next complain about your depression.
*Stepping off soap box*
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Neither can any atheist....whats their point?
They aren't claiming to know , Christians are , that's the difference.
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RELGION- The never ending debate
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RELGION- The never ending debate
I'm resurrecting this thread. ;D
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On the money. 8)
Got damn old within the first reply...
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I think it's a great thing for believers to educate themselves on topics of science, history, philosophy, etc.....gain some perspective....I work on that constantly. Still, I challenge nonbelievers to go ahead and attack the source of the issue. Most put their all their heart and mind into discrediting everything religion, everything Christian, etc.....I say attack the source head on....go for the gut. Take that same open heart and mind and confront God with it. God knows the contents of your heart. See if he doesn't perform a work in your life if you allow him the opportunity....I dare ya. ;)
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And not one single Christian can explain how God's existence got started , your point? everything needs a creator in order to be created , except God ::)
God has no beginning and has no end. This is beyond man's understanding.
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They aren't claiming to know , Christians are , that's the difference.
Athiests= If you can't prove it with science I WON't believe it!
No shit, thats why the word faith is used about a million times in the Bible.
Christians have faith in God's word, the Bible.
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Athiests= If you can't prove it with science I WON't believe it!
No shit, thats why the word faith is used about a million times in the Bible.
Christians have faith in God's word, the Bible.
The bible is written and badly translated over and over again by people.
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God has no beginning and has no end. This is beyond man's understanding.
How convenient ::)
Athiests= If you can't prove it with science I WON't believe it!
No shit, thats why the word faith is used about a million times in the Bible.
Christians have faith in God's word, the Bible.
I have faith in the word of the Chardonnay spewing protoplasm that lives on Mars. It must exist, because I have faith in it.
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God has no beginning and has no end. This is beyond man's understanding.
Many things and concepts are beyond man's understanding (whether due to actual mental capabilities or self-imposed limitations in thinking). How can you be certain that all this is "god"?
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How convenient ::)
I have faith in the word of the Chardonnay spewing protoplasm that lives on Mars. It must exist, because I have faith in it.
I know this is very tough to grasp but the text that Christians refer to is the Bible. Therefore a Christian follows the teachings of the Bible. This is no diff than a Muslim or Jewish person would do for their religious text. You do realize this, correct?
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Full assurance in the heart
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Many things and concepts are beyond man's understanding (whether due to actual mental capabilities or self-imposed limitations in thinking). How can you be certain that all this is "god"?
Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see.
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The bible is written and badly translated over and over again by people.
Blah blah blah, gee never heard that excuse before ::) ::)
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Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see.
Full assurance in the heart
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Full assurance in the heart
Hebrews 11:1
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God has no beginning and has no end. This is beyond man's understanding.
says who? and where is the proof for this? when you type this it's meaningless and contradicts the creation myth.
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Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see.
So your "faith" supersedes any logical explanation or actual limitation in understanding that you have? And you're quite certain about it? :o
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I think it's a great thing for believers to educate themselves on topics of science, history, philosophy, etc.....gain some perspective....I work on that constantly. Still, I challenge nonbelievers to go ahead and attack the source of the issue. Most put their all their heart and mind into discrediting everything religion, everything Christian, etc.....I say attack the source head on....go for the gut. Take that same open heart and mind and confront God with it. God knows the contents of your heart. See if he doesn't perform a work in your life if you allow him the opportunity....I dare ya. ;)
Been there done that... heard crickets..
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Blah blah blah, gee never heard that excuse before ::) ::)
excuse? how about fact? how about the fact it wasn't even a book at first just myths orally passed down by one generation to the next.
Christians will never escape the lowly origin of their story
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says who? and where is the proof for this? when you type this it's meaningless and contradicts the creation myth.
Revelation 1:8
Rev 22:13
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Revelation 1:8
Rev 22:13
John 11:35 ::)
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So your "faith" supersedes any logical explanation or actual limitation in understanding that you have? And you're quite certain about it? :o
Yes
You do realize that a devout religious person is going to follow & believe the teaching of their religious text?
You realize this, correct?
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excuse? how about fact? how about the fact it wasn't even a book at first just myths orally passed down by one generation to the next.
Christians will never escape the lowly origin of their story
Yes this is the typical pagan response.
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John 11:35 ::)
This passage comes from Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. "
Can you imagine a god actually saying you can beat your slave as long as you don't kill him or her because you own the slave?
Sounds like it was written by men from that time, not a god...
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Using the word "faith or have faith" is a very good mind control technique
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Athiests= How DARE you believe your religious text!!!
Umm yea, it's called following your religious beliefs guys.
I chuckle at atheists
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I know this is very tough to grasp but the text that Christians refer to is the Bible. Therefore a Christian follows the teachings of the Bible. This is no diff than a Muslim or Jewish person would do for their religious text. You do realize this, correct?
I'm not sure what your point is..? Yes, christians refer to the bible. Then what? It's still an old relic with a bunch of fairy tales in it, and whatever historical correctness it might have had is long gone, filtered out by numerous manipulations and translations.
"Virgin" was most likely a mistranslation of "young girl". Jesus was almost certainly not crucified on a cross, or a latin T as one might call it. In fact, that sort of contraption was extremely rarely used by the romans. More likely candidates are in the shape of an X or our version of T or just a simple horizontal bar nailed to a wall that were a lot more commonly used. There are no historical documents that gives us any information to what sort of device he was crucified on.... except for the bible which can not for obvious reasons be trusted. But I'm sure you knew this, right?
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Austin 3:16
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Athiests= If you can't prove it with science I WON't believe it!
No shit, thats why the word faith is used about a million times in the Bible.
Christians have faith in God's word, the Bible.
That's all Christians can have is faith they don't have any other options what so ever , if there were a God there would be absolutely NO NEED for religion , God would be a fact and not a belief. I don't believe in the sky or the moon or stars
And I didn't ' believe ' in God long before I had read the scientific explanation on the physical world , I had a strong suspicion it was all nonsense and science just confirmed that position
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I'm not sure what your point is..? Yes, christians refer to the bible. Then what? It's still an old relic with a bunch of fairy tales in it, and whatever historical correctness it might have had is long gone, filtered out by numerous manipulations and translations.
"Virgin" was most likely a mistranslation of "young girl". Jesus was almost certainly not crucified on a cross, or a latin T as one might call it. In fact, that sort of contraption was extremely rarely used by the romans. More likely candidates are in the shape of an X or our version of T or just a simple horizontal bar nailed to a wall that were a lot more commonly used. There are no historical documents that gives us any information to what sort of device he was crucified on.... except for the bible which can not for obvious reasons be trusted. But I'm sure you knew this, right?
lol Have you and ND been comparing notes?
You heathens sure go out of your way to convience yourself you are right. Perhaps you lack faith....
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Athiests= How DARE you believe your religious text!!!
Umm yea, it's called following your religious beliefs guys.
I chuckle at atheists
Atheists ( it's not that hard to spell ) = I don't fucking care what you belief but don't expect not to be ridiculed for your silly bronze-age myths and sure as fuck don't try and push those on me
don't expect everyone to go along with your imaginary friend
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Been there done that... heard crickets..
The key is purity and a genuine desire to have a relationship. God wants to have a relationship with you only if you genuinely want to have one with him. The reason most hear crickets is because they never wanted to know God to begin with and he knows this. God can do wonders with a humble heart......he must increase while we must decrease.
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That's all Christians can have is faith they don't have any other options what so ever , if there were a God there would be absolutely NO NEED for religion , God would be a fact and not a belief. I don't believe in the sky or the moon or stars
And I didn't ' believe ' in God long before I had read the scientific explanation on the physical world , I had a strong suspicion it was all nonsense and science just confirmed that position
Spoken like a pius pagan! ;D
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Atheists ( it's not that hard to spell ) = I don't fucking care what you belief but don't expect not to be ridiculed for your silly bronze-age myths and sure as fuck don't try and push those on me
don't expect everyone to go along with your imaginary friend
::) it's only the most followed religion in the country
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Yes
You do realize that a devout religious person is going to follow & believe the teaching of their religious text?
You realize this, correct?
Like when the "god" is asking for someone to sacrifice their own child for his pleasure/need? Would you put this religious "favor" or your "faith" above your child's life?
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Atheists ( it's not that hard to spell ) = I don't fucking care what you belief but don't expect not to be ridiculed for your silly bronze-age myths and sure as fuck don't try and push those on me
don't expect everyone to go along with your imaginary friend
Like an entire country? ??? ??? "in GOD we trust"
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The key is purity and a genuine desire to have a relationship. God wants to have a relationship with you only if you genuinely want to have one with him. The reason most hear crickets is because they never wanted to know God to begin with and he knows this. God can do wonders with a humble heart......he must increase while we must decrease.
You can probably see how this is an "out" to your challenge. It's like me saying that you can fly if you really want to. Then when you crash headfirst into the sidewalk I only have to say "Well, obviously he really didn't want to..."
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Like when the "god" is asking for someone to sacrifice their own child for his pleasure/need? Would you put this religious "favor" or your "faith" above your child's life?
God, family, career, all else....that's the priority list.
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::) it's only the most followed religion in the country
And? this is proof of what? and followed? what does that mean? most people haven't even read the entire bible. It's like the philosopher Daniel Dennet said , most people believe in the belief of God and think it's a good thing and just go through the motions , most people call themselves Christians and go through the motions which doesn't say much about the religion.
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Like when the "god" is asking for someone to sacrifice their own child for his pleasure/need? Would you put this religious "favor" or your "faith" above your child's life?
God has naver required anyone to sacrifice their child.
Nice try though. ;)
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lol Have you and ND been comparing notes?
You heathens sure go out of your way to convience yourself you are right. Perhaps you lack faith....
I see no counterarguments.... winning!
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Spoken like a pius pagan! ;D
I don't preach anything and I have no desire to take your silly religion away from anyone but when you reveal your position please don't be expected to be taken seriously
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And? this is proof of what? and followed? what does that mean? most people haven't even read the entire bible. It's like the philosopher Daniel Dennet said , most people believe in the belief of God and think it's a good thing and just go through the motions , most people call themselves Christians and go through the motions which doesn't say much about the religion.
Have you looked at your money lately? What does it say on there??? "In God we TRUST"
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A lot of folks think pretty highly of this fairy tale you speak! ;D
Why is it so easy to take you heathens to school?
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I don't preach anything and I have no desire to take your silly religion away from anyone but when you reveal your position please don't be expected to be taken seriously
I think it's the other way around my friend ;)
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You can probably see how this is an "out" to your challenge. It's like me saying that you can fly if you really want to. Then when you crash headfirst into the sidewalk I only have to say "Well, obviously he really didn't want to..."
I understand what you're saying....I really do. God has performed a wonderful work in my life and it was only when I truly surrendered to his will and turned from my own fruitless desires that his love and grace were revealed. Funny thing is, they were always there I was just walking around with blinders. I'll always be a broken down sinner, but he saved me, forgave me and changed me....I love him for it.
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God, family, career, all else....that's the priority list.
I put my family above anyone imaginary
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I put my family above anyone imaginary
Me too
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I put my family above anyone imaginary
this seems obviousl lol
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I understand what you're saying....I really do. God has performed a wonderful work in my life and it was only when I truly surrendered to his will and turned from my own fruitless desires that his love and grace were revealed. Funny thing is, they were always there I was just walking around with blinders. I'll always be a broken down sinner, but he saved me, forgave me and changed me....I love him for it.
So the chance that all of this might just be happening inside your head is a non-factor to you?
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Have you looked at your money lately? What does it say on there??? "In God we TRUST"
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A lot of folks think pretty highly of this fairy tale you speak! ;D
Why is it so easy to take you heathens to school?
Know your history? in God we trust wasn't on currency a lot longer than it's been on ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
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God has naver required anyone to sacrifice their child.
Nice try though. ;)
Isaac?
Barely saved at the last second, "god" is quite the prankster isn't he?
Of course there are answers "he was just testing the faith", "he has a plan" etc..
A person who puts anything above his family's life and well being is sick.
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I think it's the other way around my friend ;)
You don't think , if you did you'd be an Atheist ;)
let your imaginary friend do your thinking for you :D
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I understand what you're saying....I really do. God has performed a wonderful work in my life and it was only when I truly surrendered to his will and turned from my own fruitless desires that his love and grace were revealed. Funny thing is, they were always there I was just walking around with blinders. I'll always be a broken down sinner, but he saved me, forgave me and changed me....I love him for it.
I'm very happy for you
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Know your history? in God we trust wasn't on currency a lot longer than it's been on ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
The Pagan battle cry needs to be "We're all just here by mistake!"
That'll go over well :-\
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So the chance that all of this might just be happening inside your head is a non-factor to you?
I have full assurance in the heart that it is true. I absolutely know he's real. All I want for others is that they experience the same love and grace of God that I have.
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Isaac?
Barely saved at the last second, "god" is quite the prankster isn't he?
Of course there are answer "he was just testing the faith", "he has a plan" etc..
A person who puts anything above his family's life and well being is sick.
Back to Sunday School my friend....
the child was NOT sacrificed.
lol at "barely" it was never close.
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I have full assurance in the heart that it is true. I absolutely know he's real. All I want for others is that they experience the same love and grace of God that I have.
And I want you to experience the same love and grace of nature that I have.... what now..?
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The Pagan battle cry needs to be "We're all just here by mistake!"
That'll go over well :-\
What mistake? A mistake implies design or effort.
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You don't think , if you did you'd be an Atheist ;)
No, I'd just be wrong.
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What mistake? A mistake implies design or effort.
Did I miss the joke or are you just that ignoramus? :(
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What mistake? A mistake implies design or effort.
Why do you even bother..
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The Pagan battle cry needs to be "We're all just here by mistake!"
That'll go over well :-\
Who said mistake? where did you get this? ??? please elaborate on this gem? and again just because some religious organization fought to have this on the currency doesn't mean anything just another example of religious types trying to push their agenda on the rest of us
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"No Lord I am your bitch" ;D
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Back to Sunday School my friend....
the child was NOT sacrificed.
lol at "barely" it was never close.
Young Isaac was "saved", while his father was ready to kill him.
Would you kill your child if your "god" asked you to?
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No, I'd just be wrong.
You already are , you just don't know it ;D
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Did I miss the joke or are you just that ignoramus? :(
You're very good at avoiding questions , who said mistake?
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Did I miss the joke or are you just that ignoramus? :(
Again, no counterarguments... winning!
Why do you even bother..
I've got time to kill ;D
I have no hopes whatsoever of convincing them to drop their faith and vice versa.
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Young Isaac was "saved", while his father was ready to kill him.
Would you kill your child if your "god" asked you to?
God will never ask me to.
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God will never ask me to.
Why wouldn't she.... she's done it before.
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Who said mistake? where did you get this? ??? please elaborate on this gem? and again just because some religious organization fought to have this on the currency doesn't mean anything just another example of religious types trying to push their agenda on the rest of us
Same song diff verse...
Youkept harping on the fact that NO ONE will ever believe fairy tales!!!!!
Well a country did enough to put it on currency.
Unless of course I messed the joke?
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You already are , you just don't know it ;D
Once you finally have the truth revealed to you I fear it will be too late. :-\
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And I want you to experience the same love and grace of nature that I have.... what now..?
I do love nature, it's amazing. The only thing is nature can't forgive my sins or give me the gift of eternal life. I just wants others to experience the same gift of salvation and love of Christ that I have. I don't expect you to change your lives because of my words today, but I do hope you don't fully dismiss them. All you have to do is confess with your mouth that Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that he is risen from the grave and you'll be saved.
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Same song diff verse...
Youkept harping on the fact that NO ONE will ever believe fairy tales!!!!!
Well a country did enough to put it on currency.
Unless of course I messed the joke?
You avoided the question, AGAIN!
.... winning!
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Why wouldn't she.... she's done it before.
Because if a "she" did then it wouldn't be God.
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Same song diff verse...
Youkept harping on the fact that NO ONE will ever believe fairy tales!!!!!
Well a country did enough to put it on currency.
Unless of course I messed the joke?
Show me where I said NO ONE will ever believe fairy tales , I didn't type that
and again it wasn't on the currency a LOT longer than it was and you'll get no argument from me about a lot of dumb people believing
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Because if a "she" did then it wouldn't be God.
Are you saying that christianity is sexist? Say it ain't so. No one's ever seen this supposed deity, how would you know the gender of it?
A deity that can make silly impressionable men believe and do stupid shit has got to be female.
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Are you saying that christianity is sexist? Say it ain't so. No one's ever seen this supposed deity, how would you know the gender of it?
A deity that can make silly impressionable men believe and do stupid shit has got to be female.
The feminist movement has captured you son.
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Once you finally have the truth revealed to you I fear it will be too late. :-\
whose truth? all religions have the ' truth ' so what happens if I picked the wrong one? it's already to late or you did? ;)
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Show me where I said NO ONE will ever believe fairy tales , I didn't type that
and again it wasn't on the currency a LOT longer than it was and you'll get no argument from me about a lot of dumb people believing
What about smart people believing?
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I do love nature, it's amazing. The only thing is nature can't forgive my sins or give me the gift of eternal life. I just wants others to experience the same gift of salvation and love of Christ that I have. I don't expect you to change your lives because of my words today, but I do hope you don't fully dismiss them. All you have to do is confess with your mouth that Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that he is risen from the grave and you'll be saved.
If you were at the crucifixion of Jesus, would you do everything in your power to try and stop it? Remember, by your own morals you are obliged to do so. But! a paradox rears its ugly face as you can probably guess.
What would you do?
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What about smart people believing?
They are the minority :D plenty of very smart people ' believe ' doesn't mean much
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The feminist movement has captured you son.
Avoiding the question yet again.... winning!
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whose truth? all religions have the ' truth ' so what happens if I picked the wrong one? it's already to late or you did? ;)
Romans 14:11
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Avoiding the question yet again.... winning!
If you are honestly confused, like ND , and ask a legit question I will reveal the answer for you.
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Romans 14:11
That doesn't answer anything , are you even going to try and elaborate on your position? :-\
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If you take a step back and look at all the major religions as a whole, theyre all pretty close to the same thing, just cultrual variances between them.
So, IMHO, they probably all originated back from the same place, and as we know, people change things and put there own twist on it.
I dont think ANY of the religious books today are 100% truth, as man has had his hands in all of them.
I would believe that as long as you had faith and tried to live a good life, regardless of which variant you choose, he's probably not going to condemn you to hell.
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If you are honestly confused, like ND , and ask a legit question I will reveal the answer for you.
Ok, I'm confused as how you can still have faith even with the apparent gaps in your logic that I've pointed out for you. If you answered our questions it would put an end to my confusion.
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If you were at the crucifixion of Jesus, would you do everything in your power to try and stop it? Remember, by your own morals you are obliged to do so. But! a paradox rears its ugly face as you can probably guess.
What would you do?
Morally I don't want murder, but Christ told his disciples that this is the will of Father and must be done. Christ's disciple Peter attempted to step in with a sword when the guards came to arrest Christ, he told Peter to stand down. I would stand down and not interfere if the Lord commanded me to.
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If you are honestly confused, like ND , and ask a legit question I will reveal the answer for you.
Like I said you're good at avoiding questions and it's obvious you're in over your head and are just trolling at this point.
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That doesn't answer anything , are you even going to try and elaborate on your position? :-\
It absolutely does.
My position? I follow the Bible.
Why is this so confusing for you?
I see you are very unsure in your beliefs which is why you keep asking me questions in the search for truth. As I am perfectly sure of my faith and definately don't seek you for anything.
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Ok, I'm confused as how you can still have faith even with the apparent gaps in your logic that I've pointed out for you. If you answered our questions it would put an end to my confusion.
Pick one specific question and I'll answer it today for you.
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Morally I don't want murder, but Christ told his disciples that this is the will of Father and must be done. Christ's disciple Peter attempted to step in with a sword when the guards came to arrest Christ, he told Peter to stand down. I would do the same if the Lord commanded me to stand down.
So the washing away of your sins is worth the sacrifice of a fellow human being(god in your case)? As you've just demonstrated, the foundations of christianity rests upon a highly immoral act and you would have no problem participating in it. In fact, you wish for it to happen.
That's honestly pretty fucked up.
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It absolutely does.
My position? I follow the Bible.
Why is this so confusing for you?
I see you are very unsure in your beliefs which is why you keep asking me questions in the search for truth. As I am perfectly sure of my faith and definately don't seek you for anything.
Quite the contrary , you're avoiding at all costs elaborating on your position. I'm asking questions to expose how little you know and how contradictory it is , especially when you're claiming to have the truth which all religions do , again what makes your religion true and others false? and please don't use the text because they all use that as proof and we all know 10 different religions all can NOT be true
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Pick one specific question and I'll answer it today for you.
Sweet.
Please elaborate on the 'mistake' statement.
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Sweet.
Please elaborate on the 'mistake' statement.
Great point
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So the washing away of your sins is worth the sacrifice of a fellow human being(god in your case)? As you've just demonstrated, the foundations of christianity rests upon a highly immoral act and you would have no problem participating in it. In fact, you wish for it to happen.
That's honestly pretty fucked up.
It was an act of love.....the most astonishing act of love ever witnessed.
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Sweet.
Please elaborate on the 'mistake' statement.
here we go again...
Whats next a question about agriculture?? lol
If you are confused about somthing in scripture you can PM me and I'll get back to you.
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here we go again...
Whats next a question about agriculture?? lol
If you are confused about somthing in scripture you can PM me and I'll get back to you.
Here we go again is right , you can't expand on your claim , just make them and run. I guess I shouldn't have expected much more :-\
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It was an act of love.....the most astonishing act of love ever witnessed.
love=dying a slow painful death?
love=allowing murder to happen?
It's funny how a omnipotent god had to sacrifice 'himself' in a barbaric way in highly illiterate part of middle east to wash away peoples sins, sins that he by design made sure was innate in them.
The whole concept of washing away sins is disgusting.. it means that you're relieved of your moral responsibilities and consequences. What would separate us from poo-flinging monkeys if we were relieved of that burden?
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here we go again...
Whats next a question about agriculture?? lol
If you are confused about somthing in scripture you can PM me and I'll get back to you.
LOL, this is awesome. Avoiding a question for what's gotta be at least the fifth time!
...winning!
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Here we go again is right , you can't expand on your claim , just make them and run. I guess I shouldn't have expected much more :-\
2 Thessalonians 2:11
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2 Thessalonians 2:11
didn't see the word ' mistake ' in there anywhere , wanna try again?
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LOL, this is awesome. Avoiding a question for what's gotta be at least the fifth time!
...winning!
1Corinthians 1: 18-19
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love=dying a slow painful death?
love=allowing murder to happen?
It's funny how a omnipotent god had to sacrifice 'himself' in a barbaric way in highly illiterate part of middle east to wash away peoples sins, sins that he by design made sure was innate in them.
The whole concept of washing away sins is disgusting.. it means that you're relieved of your moral responsibilities and consequences. What would separate us from poo-flinging monkeys if we were relieved of that burden?
It's amazing isn't it? Reveals how truly horrific our sin is and the price that had to be paid to cleanse it. Our sin being innate? God didn't create evil, but he did create the potential for evil via our choice to engage in it. Without a choice we're merely puppets. And relieved of our morals and responsibilities? Quite the opposite, as believers we represent the risen Christ and must strive for others to see him through us....that's a tremendous moral and spiritual responsibility.
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If you take a step back and look at all the major religions as a whole, theyre all pretty close to the same thing, just cultrual variances between them.
So, IMHO, they probably all originated back from the same place, and as we know, people change things and put there own twist on it...
Perhaps- one common denominator is that religions are idiotic answers to questions we don´t know the answers to? One of the most telling examples of the follies of the religious man is the cargo cult phenomenon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Thus, man invents religion again and again...
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didn't see the word ' mistake ' in there anywhere , wanna try again?
read it again.. ;)
Well if anything at least I've gotten a puis pagan like yourself to read the word of God. ;D
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Athiests= How DARE you believe your religious text!!!
Umm yea, it's called following your religious beliefs guys.
I chuckle at atheists
Well, you religious folks are rather funny too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
NN
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It's amazing isn't it? Reveals how truly horrific our sin is and the price that had to be paid to cleanse it. Our sin being innate? God didn't create evil, but he did create the potential for evil via our choice to engage in it. Without a choice we're merely puppets. And relieved of our morals and responsibilities? Quite the opposite, as believers we represent the risen Christ and must strive for others to see him through us....that's a tremendous moral and spiritual responsibility.
It's such a cop-out when you say he didn't create evil , no he absolutely did ( according to your own sources ) he created it all , he is responsible for evil and is apparently impotent to do anything about it , for now ::)
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1Corinthians 1: 18-19
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
That is the one, right? Can't see anything about a mistake. YOU made that statement and the bible obviously did not, now explain please.
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read it again.. ;)
Well if anything at least I've gotten a puis pagan like yourself to read the word of God. ;D
I've read the bible from cover to cover on more than one occasion , it's part of the reason I am an atheist.
stop avoiding your comment who said mistake? stop trying to divert your statement and then claiming it's being answered in a round-about way.
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I've read the bible from cover to cover on more than one occasion , it's part of the reason I am an atheist.
stop avoiding your comment who said mistake? stop trying to divert your statement and then claiming it's being answered in a round-about way.
The Bible is no mistake my friend.
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God has naver required anyone to sacrifice their child.
Nice try though. ;)
No, the christian three-headed monster god (before the head called Jesus was invented) only fooled Abraham into believing he should sacrifice his son. Is this any better? What a sadist prick- god!
The Aztec gods demanded sacrifice, or at least the Aztec believed so...
NN
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It's amazing isn't it? Reveals how truly horrific our sin is and the price that had to be paid to cleanse it.
Your god is omnipotent, why was human sacrifice necessary in order to wash away your petty sins?
Quite the opposite, as believers we represent the risen Christ and must strive for others to see him through us....that's a tremendous moral and spiritual responsibility.
So your view on morals is spreading the word of a death-cult? Gotcha.
I know you try to mean well(I hope so, at least) but you're saying some pretty fucked up stuff that if it wasn't under the cover of your religion, would be considered straight up irresponsible and evil.
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No, the christian three-headed monster god (before the head called Jesus was invented) only fooled Abraham into believing he should sacrifice his son. Is this any better? What a sadist prick- god!
The Aztec gods demanded sacrifice, or at least the Aztec believed so...
NN
Another heathen who obviously doesn't know scripture.
God NEVER REQUIRED him to sacrifice his son, if this was the case then he would have sacrificed his son.
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God has no beginning and has no end. This is beyond man's understanding.
You pretend to know something about the unknowable? Kinda interesting, but self-contradictory.
NN
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Another heathen who obviously doesn't know scripture.
God NEVER REQUIRED him to sacrifice his son, if this was the case then he would have sacrificed his son.
Another christian with severely limited comprehension abilities. Read again.
NN
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It's such a cop-out when you say he didn't create evil , no he absolutely did ( according to your own sources ) he created it all , he is responsible for evil and is apparently impotent to do anything about it , for now ::)
Is choice evil? No. Can our choices be evil? Yes. Not a copout, just the truth.
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btw- this thread hits 5 pages by the end of today and 10 pages by midweek
there is a God and that's me motherfuckers for predicting that this horseshit argument would go this far
btw, Christopher Hitchens is just bitter (/bait)
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Another heathen who obviously doesn't know scripture.
God NEVER REQUIRED him to sacrifice his son, if this was the case then he would have sacrificed his son.
If faced by the request of murdering ones own son, any reasonable person would give him the finger and take a dump on his failed creation. See how faith and religion fucks people up?
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If faced by the request of murdering ones own son, any reasonable person would give him the finger and take a dump on his failed creation. See how faith and religion fucks people up?
You aren't very familiar with the Old Testement are you? :D
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The Pagan battle cry needs to be "We're all just here by mistake!"
That'll go over well :-\
Well, we ARE here by mistake. At least according to your religion. First, the all powerful and all-knowing god made a creature whose actions he could not foresee in the unfortunate apple-incidence in the Garden of Eden, and he thus punished his own creation for it´s actions. Don´t you think he should take a bit of the blame himself, being all-knowing and all-powerful? Shouldnt he know in advance what would happen?
Further, the god tired with his creation and almost killed of all of it in the great flood. He also punished mankind after the tower of Babel incident, creating linguistic confusion.
It seems that this god of yours is quite human-like, vindictive and irrational... ;-)
NN
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You pretend to know something about the unknowable?
NN
I know what I read in the Bible.
LOL I love how you resident pagans with like 30 posts come out of the wood work as soon as you get so threatened by Chrisitanity.
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You aren't very familiar with the Old Testement are you? :D
Tell me, did he flick him off and take a dump on his creation?
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Well, we ARE here by mistake. At least according to your religion. First, the all powerful and all-knowing god made a creature whose actions he could not foresee in the unfortunate apple-incidence in the Garden of Eden, and he thus punished his own creation for it´s actions. Don´t you think he should take a bit of the blame himself, being all-knowing and all-powerful? Shouldnt he know in advance what would happen?
Further, the god tired with his creation and almost killed of all of it in the great flood. He also punished mankind after the tower of Babel incident, creating linguistic confusion.
It seems that this god of yours is quite human-like, vindictive and irrational... ;-)
NN
No my heathen friend, go read Genesis.
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I know what I read in the Bible.
LOL I love how you resident pagans with like 30 posts come out of the wood work as soon as you get so threatened by Chrisitanity.
You contradict yourself. You know something about the unknowable because you read it in a book. Please, make up your mind. Is god unknowable or not?
NN
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If faced by the request of murdering ones own son, any reasonable person would give him the finger and take a dump on his failed creation. See how faith and religion fucks people up?
Unfortunately as humans we're finite beings who often can't see past the situation immediately in front of us. God, on the other hand, is timeless and comprehends the past, the present and the future simulataneously....an unimaginable scope of perception. A request of Abraham of this magnitude could not be perceived in it's fullest terms.....I'm sure Abraham didn't imagine that this would lead to the founding of a nation of God's chosen people. All we can see is the immediate act and often can't get past it even when the events thereafter were laid out for us to review. He never promised that the cross would not be heavy, that the hill would not be hard to climb. He never offered our victories without fighting. He just said help would always come in time.
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What about the Egyptian children that were "punished by god" with the death of the firstborn plague? (and of course other instances where innocents -and especially children- were killed). Did they "deserve it"? Was "god" justified in killing children?
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No my heathen friend, go read Genesis.
I did, and it is all nonsense. In fact, the god- creature in the old testament is a egomaniac, sadistic, vindictive entity, not a god of love. It just bullshit, made for another time and another place.
NN
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Your god is omnipotent, why was human sacrifice necessary in order to wash away your petty sins?
So your view on morals is spreading the word of a death-cult? Gotcha.
I know you try to mean well(I hope so, at least) but you're saying some pretty fucked up stuff that if it wasn't under the cover of your religion, would be considered straight up irresponsible and evil.
Just review some of my previous posts in this thread....that's the key my friend.
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Unfortunately as humans we're finite beings who often can't see past the situation immediately in front of us. God, on the other hand, is timeless and comprehends the past, the present and the future simulataneously....an unimaginable scope of perception. A request of Abraham of this magnitude could not be perceived in it's fullest terms.....I'm sure Abraham didn't imagine that this would lead to the founding of a nation of God's chosen people. All we can see is the immediate act and often can't get past it even when the events thereafter were laid out for us to review. He never promised that the cross would not be heavy, that the hill would not be hard to climb. He never offered our victories without fighting. He just said help would always come in time.
That's your take on it. What can I say?
I see a malicious and jealous man-made god that is obsessed with murder and sex(very human qualities) that even though, omnipotent, have to put his own creation through hell in order to reach heaven and if they tell him to piss off which he gave them the right to do, they're sent to hell for all eternity. A life worth of sins(can only be so many) is apparently justifiably punishable by eternal torture.
Somethings off here. This is not the design of an all-knowing, all loving omnipotent supreme being. It's the values of bronze-age men summarized in to a cult which happens to need an imaginary deity to claim authority.
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What about the Egyptian children that were "punished by god" with the death of the firstborn plague? (and of course other instances where innocents -and especially children- were killed). Did they "deserve it"? Was "god" justified in killing children?
Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed. For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices. Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God. When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died. The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight. I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.
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That's your take on it. What can I say?
I see a malicious and jealous man-made god that is obsessed with murder and sex(very human qualities) that even though, omnipotent, have to put his own creation through hell in order to reach heaven and if they tell him to piss off which he gave them the right to do, they're sent to hell for all eternity. A life worth of sins(can only be so many) is apparently justifiably punishable by eternal torture.
Somethings off here. This is not the design of an all-knowing, all loving omnipotent supreme being. It's the values of bronze-age men summarized in to a cult which happens to need an imaginary deity to claim authority.
When I can't understand certain things I take it back to the source and pray about it.....I encourage the same for you.
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Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed. For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices. Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God. When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died. The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight. I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.
He failed at communicating his loving message to innocent children. Therefore he murders them.
Are you for real?
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Think about some of the pagan tribes of people that God ordered be destroyed. For hundreds of years these people engaged in horrifice, evil practices. Generation after generation being lead to an inevitable death in sin and eternal seperation from God. When God determined enough is enough, that these depraved people were doomed with no chance of change he saved those children that were inevitably doomed to eternal seperation from him as they were not accountable for their actions. I see that as an act of love in regards to the children that died. The Egyptian children were sacrificed, but immediately taken to the greatest kingdom of all....for none are most precious in his sight. I can't grasp all facets of his plan, but I do know that God is love.
Think about what you just said (and probably devoutly believe) and think about the child you hold in your avatar (if that's you, I'd assume she's your daughter). Now think about it again. Would you want that to happen to your child?
A "god" that kills children for whatever reason is SICK.
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He failed at communicating his loving message to innocent children. Therefore he murders them.
Are you for real?
It's a perspective and nothing more and by no means particularly well-written. I'm not a prophet, I'm not a fantastic writer, I'm not a theologian....just doing the best I can to address some tough questions. Again, my purpose is to spread the wonderful news of salvation in Christ....I want others to experience the same love in Christ that I have.
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Think about what you just said (and probably devoutly believe) and think about the child you hold in your avatar (if that's you, I'd assume she's your daughter). Now think about it again. Would you want that to happen to your child?
A "god" that kills children for whatever reason is SICK.
I can't compare myself and my daughter to the evil, sadistic tribes of people referred to in the Old Testament. Only comparison I can draw is that like those twisted tribes of people I am also a broken down sinner who can only be and has been saved by grace.
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It's a perspective and nothing more and by no means particularly well-written. I'm not a prophet, I'm not a fantastic writer, I'm not a theologian....just doing the best I can to address some tough questions. Again, my purpose is to spread the wonderful news of salvation in Christ....I want others to experience the same love in Christ that I have.
Even if you are poor at communicating, there's really not a whole lot of ways one can interpret what you just posted. If you still stand by it I'll sincerely say(for whatever it's worth) that you're an immoral, fucked up person.
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Even if you are poor at communicating, there's really not a whole lot of ways one can interpret what you just posted. If you still stand by it I'll sincerely say(for whatever it's worth) that you're an immoral, fucked up person.
I also haven't insulted, put down, degraded or judged anyone in this thread. All I've talked about is the love of God, salvation in Christ and made some attempts to bring a little perspective to some other tough questions......if that makes me immoral then Amen.
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I can't compare myself and my daughter to the evil, sadistic tribes of people referred to in the Old Testament. Only comparison I can draw is that like those twisted tribes of people I am also a broken down sinner who can only be and has been saved by grace.
You keep mentioning "evil, sadistic tribes of people". Do you imply that pretty much every person in the ancient world apart from the "chosen" israelites was a degenerate sadistic murderer because they weren't christian and deserved any horrible punishment or death that "god" inflicted upon them? How do you know that every person was "evil and sadistic"? Was it just because they weren't christian?
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You keep mentioning "evil, sadistic tribes of people". Do you imply that pretty much every person in the ancient world apart from the "chosen" israelites was a degenerate sadistic murderer because they weren't christian and deserved any horrible punishment or death that "god" inflicted upon them? How do you know that every person was "evil and sadistic"? Was it just because they weren't christian?
No, not implying that.
Of course not.
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There would be absolutely no sense in requesing "cliff notes" now would there?
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There would be absolutely no sense in requesing "cliff notes" now would there?
God kill children.
God has a big cock .
God doesn't exist.
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Well, you religious folks are rather funny too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
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I love the cargo cults ;D
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I love the cargo cults ;D
not as much as the cults love the cargo >:(
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Is choice evil? No. Can our choices be evil? Yes. Not a copout, just the truth.
And ultimately both are God's creation , God created evil and our ability to choose it , you can't have it both ways.
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And ultimately both are God's creation , God created evil and our ability to choose it , you can't have it both ways.
So my words haven't changed your life LOL?!!! Well, if nothing else it gives us all something to think about.
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So my words haven't changed your life LOL?!!! Well, if nothing else it gives us all something to think about.
Sorry to say your testimonial hasn't persuaded me , neither has my Mothers who is a true believer.
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I do love nature, it's amazing. The only thing is nature can't forgive my sins or give me the gift of eternal life. I just wants others to experience the same gift of salvation and love of Christ that I have. I don't expect you to change your lives because of my words today, but I do hope you don't fully dismiss them. All you have to do is confess with your mouth that Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that he is risen from the grave and you'll be saved.
why were old japanese men and women, and children killed by a quake then a tsunami ? What did they do wrong?
Why are you enjoying tons of hamburgers, drinking coca cola and driving a f 150 when at the same time a baby is born in africa and will die in 2 months of malnutrition and illness?
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If you take a step back and look at all the major religions as a whole, theyre all pretty close to the same thing, just cultrual variances between them.
So, IMHO, they probably all originated back from the same place, and as we know, people change things and put there own twist on it.
I dont think ANY of the religious books today are 100% truth, as man has had his hands in all of them.
I would believe that as long as you had faith and tried to live a good life, regardless of which variant you choose, he's probably not going to condemn you to hell.
anthropologists already found out "faith" is a construct of the first homo erectus and then homo sapiens sapiens... They explained how it started in the first place and how it led to the building of "religions".
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I also haven't insulted, put down, degraded or judged anyone in this thread. All I've talked about is the love of God, salvation in Christ and made some attempts to bring a little perspective to some other tough questions......if that makes me immoral then Amen.
You don't and you get credit for that , I know most of the time you're just giving more personal prospective and wish people will find God , for that you should be respected.
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So the washing away of your sins is worth the sacrifice of a fellow human being(god in your case)? As you've just demonstrated, the foundations of christianity rests upon a highly immoral act and you would have no problem participating in it. In fact, you wish for it to happen.
That's honestly pretty fucked up.
your being very stupid. God is real and Jesus is real. when someone dies they go to heaven. letting jesus be crucified is akin to letting someone become extraordinarily wealthy and happy. the happenings on this earth on not nearly as important as you think, and human suffering is not nearly as terrible as you imagine.
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why were old japanese men and women, and children killed by a quake then a tsunami ? What did they do wrong?
Why are you enjoying tons of hamburgers, drinking coca cola and driving a f 150 when at the same time a baby is born in africa and will die in 2 months of malnutrition and illness?
I researched this same question for several hours the other night because I had asked it. None of the answers I found would satisfy the men and women that brought their lifeless children out of the tsunami waters. Why did my sister's fiance unexpectedly die? Why was her faith strengthened because of it? Why does God allow any natural disaster and then claim that he's a loving all-powerful God? How can earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc....exist and kill innocent hundreds/thousands/millions? Why was I allowed to almost die in mid-August last year? Why can't my God-fearing parents overcome their constant financial battles? Why was my sister's friend's child born with deformaties? Why did God allow cancer to take the life of best friend's mother a couple years back? Why does God allow my grandmother to slowly forget who I am? Why did God allow a young mother to leave her 6-month old baby in a locked car to die of heatstroke? Why did God allow my uncle to die just shortly after he came to know Christ as savior? Why did God allow 200,000 to die in the 2009 tsunami? How many hundreds/thousands/millions came to know Christ because of these tragedies? How many unseen, unknown loving purposes of God were fulfilled because of these tragedies? I don't know, but I do know that God has done a wonderful, loving work in my life and that his grace is absolutely sufficient for all of us that accept him.
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one of these threads again
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yes Charleton Heston is real
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Unfortunately as humans we're finite beings who often can't see past the situation immediately in front of us. God, on the other hand, is timeless and comprehends the past, the present and the future simulataneously....an unimaginable scope of perception. A request of Abraham of this magnitude could not be perceived in it's fullest terms.....I'm sure Abraham didn't imagine that this would lead to the founding of a nation of God's chosen people. All we can see is the immediate act and often can't get past it even when the events thereafter were laid out for us to review. He never promised that the cross would not be heavy, that the hill would not be hard to climb. He never offered our victories without fighting. He just said help would always come in time.
eeer.... even you have to fuck others people in the ass to get promoted or be sucesful in life, to insure your own survival and the one of your loved ones. It's instinct of survival and it is random, it's struggle for survival, natural selection, the death of the weakest link and the survival of the strongest, fittest, the same thing happening in animal life. You even said it yourself, it's you and your family before the others. Newsflash, in the animal kingdom the same rules apply, it's the clan, the group, the alpha males and his harem of females before the others clans / groups of animals inside the same specie. Wake up, educate yourself, seriously you re scary.
You enjoy doing good to others because it makes YOU feel good in the first place. Other people enjoy harming the others because their own parents did that to them, so they subconsciously learnt it and reproduce it. It makes them feel good about themselves as much as doing good to other makes you feel good about yourself. It's all a matter of conditionnings and how you ve been wired, raised.
How do you explain someone who s always been good to everyone suddenly dies of a stroke or cancer at 30 y/o ?
How do you explain keith jones dying of obesity and depression while having been "a great man, caring father, surrounded by a loving family" ?
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I don't know, but I do know that God has done a wonderful, loving work in my life and that his grace is absolutely sufficient for all of us that accept him.
You think you are special , don't you? ::)
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your being very stupid. God is real and Jesus is real.
Now that is a real gem ;D
when someone dies they go to heaven. letting jesus be crucified is akin to letting someone become extraordinarily wealthy and happy. the happenings on this earth on not nearly as important as you think, and human suffering is not nearly as terrible as you imagine.
To heaven, eh? You left out the polar opposite of heaven which is a place I'm sure to go to if you people are correct in your beliefs. I'm glad to say that ain't so.
In your version of reality, the happenings on this earth should be of utmost importance to you since they dictate where you'll spend eternity..... duh?
If you try to argue that there's no such place as hell in christian mythology then wow..... I just hope for your sake that the source of your confusion is from drugs which it probably is. DUI = Debating Under Influence ;D
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I researched this same question for several hours the other night because I had asked it. None of the answers I found would satisfy the men and women that brought their lifeless children out of the tsunami waters. Why did my sister's fiance unexpectedly die? Why was her faith strengthened because of it? Why does God allow any natural disaster and then claim that he's a loving all-powerful God? How can earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc....exist and kill innocent hundreds/thousands/millions? Why was I allowed to almost die in mid-August last year? Why can't my God-fearing parents overcome their constant financial battles? Why was my sister's friend's child born with deformaties? Why did God allow cancer to take the life of best friend's mother a couple years back? Why does God allow my grandmother to slowly forget who I am? Why did God allow a young mother to leave her 6-month old baby in a locked car to die of heatstroke? Why did God allow my uncle to die just shortly after he came to know Christ as savior? Why did God allow 200,000 to die in the 2009 tsunami? How many hundreds/thousands/millions came to know Christ because of these tragedies? How many unseen, unknown loving purposes of God were fulfilled because of these tragedies? I don't know, but I do know that God has done a wonderful, loving work in my life and that his grace is absolutely sufficient for all of us that accept him.
It only means your instinct of survival forces you to rationalize something that cannot be rationalized. If you are able to rationalize it it makes you live one more day, if you are not able to rationalize it you become crazy. Considering you re an animal who has for sole and only purpose to survive and reproduce your brain which is only intended to allow you to survive and adapt builds these thoughts. But it all originate in the instinct of survival.
You know when "hope" is learned? when a kid see his mother go in the last months of the first years, then learn that she 'll come back. This is where the concept of hope originates. You love women who are a copy of your sister, mother, because you ve been exposed to their influence when you were unable to defend yourself, to survive by yourself. This is where originate the concept of "love". You love other people the way you ve been loved. It's conditionning. Has nothing to do with faith.
When we were homo erectus, a group had to abandon a weak or old individual on the road to insure the survival of the group as a whole. What you re doing right now, rationalizing, is exactly the same thing. As long as you re not concerned you dont give a damn. That's not faith. That's rationalizing, and that's the instinct of survival at work, at its finest . Call it "faith" if you want. But we find the same behaviors in all animals. From ants to monkeys...to "humans". Even in plants.
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why were old japanese men and women, and children killed by a quake then a tsunami ? What did they do wrong?
Why are you enjoying tons of hamburgers, drinking coca cola and driving a f 150 when at the same time a baby is born in africa and will die in 2 months of malnutrition and illness?
I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but you keep asking this question. While no one really has the answer to this there might be a pretty good explanation.
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I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but you keep asking this question. While no one really has the answer to this there might be a pretty good explanation.
Lets hear how your god thought it was a good idea to kill innocent people.
Please do share.
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Now that is a real gem ;D
To heaven, eh? You left out the polar opposite of heaven which is a place I'm sure to go to if you people are correct in your beliefs. I'm glad to say that ain't so.
In your version of reality, the happenings on this earth should be of utmost importance to you since they dictate where you'll spend eternity..... duh?
If you try to argue that there's no such place as hell in christian mythology then wow..... I just hope for your sake that the source of your confusion is from drugs which it probably is. DUI = Debating Under Influence ;D
God is perfect love monkey. completely perfect. revenge is not in him.
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I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but you keep asking this question. While no one really has the answer to this there might be a pretty good explanation.
yes, the only explanation is that there is no explanation. That it is random. And that the concept of justice is just an invention and that it is relative depending on where you live and the circonstances. Basically it means we re animals and that only the strongest ones survive.
Dont you have steroids to inject in your ass in the name of jesus or god ?
Care to elaborate how god/ jesus told you to inject steroids to make the world better?
Why did you divorce 4 times ? Because these women were all evil right?
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God is perfect love monkey. completely perfect. revenge is not in him.
Get the fuck out of here ::)
Since I joined this board in 2006 you have consistently shown to be one of the most arrogant idiots with unwarranted cockiness the size of the moon.
Every single topic you debate you come off as an immature retard. Not immature as in vulgar or offensive, but worse. You're immature in the worst possible way, where it seems that your brain stopped developing when you were 12 years old. You're an arrogant prick with drug seeking behavior to boot. If not cocaine, then weed. If not weed, then steroids. Or both. What the fuck are you really? What would you be without drugs and your arrogance?
Did you pay back the money you stole from your momma yet?
And yes, meltdown.
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I researched this same question for several hours the other night because I had asked it. None of the answers I found would satisfy the men and women that brought their lifeless children out of the tsunami waters. Why did my sister's fiance unexpectedly die? Why was her faith strengthened because of it? Why does God allow any natural disaster and then claim that he's a loving all-powerful God? How can earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc....exist and kill innocent hundreds/thousands/millions? Why was I allowed to almost die in mid-August last year? Why can't my God-fearing parents overcome their constant financial battles? Why was my sister's friend's child born with deformaties? Why did God allow cancer to take the life of best friend's mother a couple years back? Why does God allow my grandmother to slowly forget who I am? Why did God allow a young mother to leave her 6-month old baby in a locked car to die of heatstroke? Why did God allow my uncle to die just shortly after he came to know Christ as savior? Why did God allow 200,000 to die in the 2009 tsunami? How many hundreds/thousands/millions came to know Christ because of these tragedies? How many unseen, unknown loving purposes of God were fulfilled because of these tragedies? I don't know, but I do know that God has done a wonderful, loving work in my life and that his grace is absolutely sufficient for all of us that accept him.
could you please go back to being a hilarious owning machine, "man of steel" ::)
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You don't and you get credit for that , I know most of the time you're just giving more personal prospective and wish people will find God , for that you should be respected.
I appreciate that ND, I really do.
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I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but you keep asking this question. While no one really has the answer to this there might be a pretty good explanation.
I didn't get a chance to finish but here's what I think.....
Even though these tragedies happen and as unfortunate as they are, you cannot deny, the majority of these tragedies have brought most of the world together to help one another, countries become stronger because of a tighter unity, families become closer, seems no matter the what happens be it natural disaster, war, family crisis and so on, in the long run it makes a stronger and more caring world. Thats how I see it.
NOW........here's something for Ubersmartass..........
Little kids are born deformed, people die of terrible diseases, and there are earthquakes and tornadoes that cause havoc. This proves that we are on our own. There is no God! How do you answer that?
Three philosophers are seated in a plane. The first man said that he heard that during the early hours of the night, hijackers took over the controls. As he spoke, the plane lunged to the left and thrust a number of passengers against the wall, seriously injuring some of them.
After the second man gained his composure, he said, Because of what just happened, I don't believe that this plane was ever made. Even though his statement didn't make sense, he continued to maintain that the entire plane, with its seats, windows, lighting, air conditioning, engines, etc., happened by accident.
As the third philosopher began to give his thoughts, the plane again lunged to one side. This time it was so violent that many passengers were seriously injured and two elderly people were killed. He was obviously shaken, but was able to share his thoughts about what had happened. He said that despite what was happening on the plane, he thought all was well in the cockpit.
It was then that someone quickly passed a hand-written note to the first man. It read, Hijackers! All to be thrust out of the plane. Parachute under seat. Put it on now. Going to cut the lighting. Be ready to jump! As he read its words, his eyes widened. This confirmed that something was radically wrong. He quickly reached under his seat and put the parachute on, and then passed the note on to the second philosopher.
The second man read the words on the note. He smiled said, This note hasn't used correct grammar. Parachute under seat isn't even a complete sentence With that, he crumpled the note and dropped it to the floor.
The third man, still shaken by what had happened on the plane, picked up the note and read it. He said, It sure looks authentic. It does have the airlines letterhead. What's happening on the plane does add up to something being radically wrong, I think I now believe there is something wrong. However, he then sat in his seat, not bothering to put his parachute on, or even to pass the note on to others!
Here we have three common reactions to the message of the gospel:
Obviously, the first passenger is a genuine convert. He understands that the issue of suffering--disease, pain and death shows that something is radically wrong between God and man. His knowledge of the jump that he must take through the door of death causes him to trust in the Savior.
The second man is an atheist. He uses the issue of suffering to somehow make an illogical leap into the philosophy that there is no God. The thought that the whole of creation, with its flowers, its birds, the sun, the moon, the animal kingdom, the beauty of the seasons, the incredible variety of succulent fruit trees, etc., all happened by accident. The notion that such reasoning borders on insanity doesn't enter his unthinking and sin-loving mind. He doesn't bother to humbly study the warning of Scripture. Instead, he exalts himself above the mind of his Creator, and condescendingly becomes a critic of the Word of God. He maintains it is full of errors and therefore cant be trusted. [See: Why the Atheist doesn't exist and ChristianAnswers.Net's Creation SuperLibrary for evidences for a Creator.]
The third man is an average person. He believes in God. He even believes the Bible. He is easily convinced that something may be wrong between man and God, but he doesn't see his urgent need to put on the Lord Jesus Christ. How do we awaken these two men?
For the answer, lets go back to the plane. The first man simply needs to tell the other two philosophers to look out of the window for a moment, and to think about the 25,000-foot fall. Their knowledge of the unbending law of gravity should kick in, and from there common sense should do the rest. It should cause both men to look under their seat for the parachute.
The issue of suffering is not something the Christian should avoid. It is glaring evidence that man has rejected God; all is not well on board the flight. It works for our cause, not against it. All these things, pain, disease, droughts, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc. should cause the thinking person to investigate the claims of the note of God's Word, and see its explanation.
However, the ultimate convincing agent is, of course, the unbending Law of God. It is the knowledge of the Law and the fearful consequences of transgressing its precepts that should cause fear to kick in, and hopefully common sense should then cause the sinner to seek after the Savior, who lovingly died and rose again, so that they might be saved.
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More for ubersmartass..........
WHY DOES GOD ALLOW INNOCENT PEOPLE TO SUFFER
This is one of the most difficult questions for Christians to answer.
The “problem of pain,” as the well-known Christian scholar, C.S. Lewis, once called it, is atheism's most potent weapon against the Christian faith.
All true science and history, if rightly understood, support the fact of God. This evidence is so strong that, as the Bible says: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God” (Psalm 14:1).
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Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in “no God”, must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these.
That is, they say, how can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness, pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly by those who are apparently innocent? Either He is not a God of love and is indifferent to human suffering, or else He is not a God of power and is therefore helpless to do anything about it. In either case, the Biblical God who is supposedly one of both absolute power and perfect love becomes an impossible anachronism. Or so they claim!
This is a real difficulty, but atheism is certainly not the answer, and neither is agnosticism. While there is much evil in the world, there is even more that is good. This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can. Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad”.
We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).
We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.
Having settled this by faith, we are then free to seek for ways in which we can profit spiritually from the sufferings in life as well as the blessings. As we consider such matters, it is helpful to keep the following great truths continually in our minds.
There is really no such thing as the “innocent” suffering.
Since “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God's wrath on the basis of his own innocence.
As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Elderly woman in wheelchair. Photo copyrighted. The world is now under God's Curse (Genesis 3:17) because of man's rebellion against God's Word.
This “bondage of corruption,” with the “whole world groaning and travailing together in pain” (Romans 8:21, 22), is universal, affecting all men and women and children everywhere. God did not create the world this way, and one day will set all things right again. In that day, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” (Revelation 21:4).
Jesus on the cross. Click here to read about Jesus. (Illustration copyrighted)
Learn about how much Jesus Christ suffered
The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly “innocent” and “righteous” man in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever lived.
And this He did for us! “Christ died for our sins” (I Corinthians 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior. This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
With our full faith in God's goodness and in Christ's redemption, we can recognize that our present sufferings can be turned to His glory and our good.
The sufferings of unsaved men are often used by the Holy Spirit to cause them to realize their needs of salvation and to turn to Christ in repentance and faith. The sufferings of Christians should always be the means of developing a stronger dependence on God and a more Christ-like character, if they are properly “exercised thereby” (Hebrews 12:11).
Thus, God is loving and merciful even when, “for the present,” He allows trials and sufferings to come in our lives.
“For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28).
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I didn't get a chance to finish but here's what I think.....
Oh brother ::)
http://www.christiananswers.net/evangelism/responses/comfort-suffering.html
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And?
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And?
It is OK for a baby to get raped and killed because they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Great logic retard
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So the washing away of your sins is worth the sacrifice of a fellow human being(god in your case)? As you've just demonstrated, the foundations of christianity rests upon a highly immoral act and you would have no problem participating in it. In fact, you wish for it to happen.
That's honestly pretty fucked up.
Jesus taught his disciples that his kingdom was not of this world. They believed him to be the Messiah. So if the Messiah gave orders not to interfere, I don't see a quandry in not interfering. Those who try and save their life, will lose it.. etc etc..
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It was an act of love.....the most astonishing act of love ever witnessed.
I beg to differ..
The fact is, according to the bible, Jesus KNEW he was the son of god, or God depending on who you ask.. maybe even both..
Jesus KNEW he was going to return
Jesus KNEW he was going to end right back at the right hand of God just as he was before he came to earth
That pales in comparison to so many sacrifices humans have made for each other, NOT knowing what will happen..
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It's amazing isn't it? Reveals how truly horrific our sin is and the price that had to be paid to cleanse it. Our sin being innate? God didn't create evil, but he did create the potential for evil via our choice to engage in it. Without a choice we're merely puppets. And relieved of our morals and responsibilities? Quite the opposite, as believers we represent the risen Christ and must strive for others to see him through us....that's a tremendous moral and spiritual responsibility.
Bible says God created evil..
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It is OK for a baby to get raped and killed because they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Great logic retard
Agreed Che. This is the worst types of explanation for this I can think of. One of the main reasons arguing is not worth it.
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Jesus taught his disciples that his kingdom was not of this world. They believed him to be the Messiah. So if the Messiah gave orders not to interfere, I don't see a quandry in not interfering. Those who try and save their life, will lose it.. etc etc..
But still... in order to wash away your sins(selfish and irresponsible) the slow deadly torture of a fellow man is required. It's pretty messed up if you ask me.
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I researched this same question for several hours the other night because I had asked it. None of the answers I found would satisfy the men and women that brought their lifeless children out of the tsunami waters. Why did my sister's fiance unexpectedly die? Why was her faith strengthened because of it? Why does God allow any natural disaster and then claim that he's a loving all-powerful God? How can earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc....exist and kill innocent hundreds/thousands/millions? Why was I allowed to almost die in mid-August last year? Why can't my God-fearing parents overcome their constant financial battles? Why was my sister's friend's child born with deformaties? Why did God allow cancer to take the life of best friend's mother a couple years back? Why does God allow my grandmother to slowly forget who I am? Why did God allow a young mother to leave her 6-month old baby in a locked car to die of heatstroke? Why did God allow my uncle to die just shortly after he came to know Christ as savior? Why did God allow 200,000 to die in the 2009 tsunami? How many hundreds/thousands/millions came to know Christ because of these tragedies? How many unseen, unknown loving purposes of God were fulfilled because of these tragedies? I don't know, but I do know that God has done a wonderful, loving work in my life and that his grace is absolutely sufficient for all of us that accept him.
For me, what makes more sense than;
A god exists who loves us and answers our prayers, knows the number of hairs on our head but..___________ (put in above questions...
Is this;
Shit happens.... there are laws of nature, probability etc and good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to good people on a pretty even basis.
Otherwise, I'm left trying to explain how a loving, caring, prayer answering god exists while little Jimmy is getting raped by his uncle every other night for the last 3 years and god does nothing about it..
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But still... in order to wash away your sins(selfish and irresponsible) the slow deadly torture of a fellow man is required. It's pretty messed up if you ask me.
Ah, I see your point.. Yes, it is barbaric. It was written in barbaric times when people sacrificed animals to their gods. That a God needs a system in order keep people from hell is silly in my opinion anyway
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Just to test the waters, I posted a scripture on facebook yesterday. Pretty straight forward from Exodus 20:21-22 where God says you can beat your male of female slave with a rod, and if it dies you will be punished, but if it recovers you won't, because it is your property..
Obviously a pretty fucked up rule by a god in anyones book. BUT..... my christian friends fell over themselves trying to explain it away... It was pretty sad.. I ended up deleted the post . But the point was, they are all ok with the typical biblical scripture post that shows God in a good light, but post something from their bible that shows the monster side and it's a crime. 90% of Christians haven't bothered to read their bible cover to cover in my opinion, based on their lack of knowldege of most of the Old testament and much of the new
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Fools!
Doom disapproves!
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The second man is an atheist. He uses the issue of suffering to somehow make an illogical leap into the philosophy that there is no God. The thought that the whole of creation, with its flowers, its birds, the sun, the moon, the animal kingdom, the beauty of the seasons, the incredible variety of succulent fruit trees, etc., all happened by accident. The notion that such reasoning borders on insanity doesn't enter his unthinking and sin-loving mind. He doesn't bother to humbly study the warning of Scripture. Instead, he exalts himself above the mind of his Creator, and condescendingly becomes a critic of the Word of God. He maintains it is full of errors and therefore cant be trusted.
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The second man is an atheist. He uses the issue of suffering to somehow make an illogical leap into the philosophy that there is no God. The thought that the whole of creation, with its flowers, its birds, the sun, the moon, the animal kingdom, the beauty of the seasons, the incredible variety of succulent fruit trees, etc., all happened by accident. The notion that such reasoning borders on insanity doesn't enter his unthinking and sin-loving mind. He doesn't bother to humbly study the warning of Scripture. Instead, he exalts himself above the mind of his Creator, and condescendingly becomes a critic of the Word of God. He maintains it is full of errors and therefore cant be trusted.
There, I've pointed out the errors for you.
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There, I've pointed out the errors for you.
You nailed......that post IS you. Hope this helps!
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The second man is an atheist. He uses the issue of suffering to somehow make an illogical leap into the philosophy that there is no God. The thought that the whole of creation, with its flowers, its birds, the sun, the moon, the animal kingdom, the beauty of the seasons, the incredible variety of succulent fruit trees, etc., all happened by accident. The notion that such reasoning borders on insanity doesn't enter his unthinking and sin-loving mind. He doesn't bother to humbly study the warning of Scripture. Instead, he exalts himself above the mind of his Creator, and condescendingly becomes a critic of the Word of God. He maintains it is full of errors and therefore cant be trusted.
The Universe isn't a accident, it was inevitable.
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"Jesus just left Chicago, and he's headed down to New Orleans"
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There, I've pointed out the errors for you.
Beat me to it haha.
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Coach, how good is your understanding of the scientific view on the creation of the universe and life?
Do you know what a Goldilocks zone is? Do you know where the most abundant biomass is located on earth(hint: a place that your bible would know absolutely nothing about)? Do you know anything about the formation of amino acids? Do you understand basic Newtonian and quantum physics? Do you really understand the basic theory of evolution?
The list goes on and on obviously, but I've never seen you display the slightest knowledge of these things. You should be a little bit more humble when saying that science is a load of bullocks until you at least have a basic understanding of it.
If you can be bothered, please rate yourself on a scale from 1 to 10 in how well you think you understand science, 10 being a professor in natural sciences and 1 being a redneck with downs syndrome. I'd put myself at a 6. I'm just curios what your self-perception is here.
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Bible says God created evil..
Imagine a world without evil...without an example for those to NOT follow.
Imagine everybody all happy and singing Smurfette's "La-La" song...people would be offing themselves due to bordem. Evil is needed in this world, the wicked have to be played off the righteous, and vice versa. Just as a world could not exist with pure evil...man would not be able to create it's civilization, everybody would have killed each other off. Hardship, evil deeds and the fight against them fuel man to be better. So, in a sense, The Devil serves a purpose, and is serving God, a way of stoking the flames of man's survival, an quality control system...
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Coach, how good is your understanding of the scientific view on the creation of the universe and life?
Do you know what a Goldilocks zone is? Do you know where the most abundant biomass is located on earth(hint: a place that your bible would know absolutely nothing about)? Do you know anything about the formation of amino acids? Do you understand basic Newtonian and quantum physics? Do you really understand the basic theory of evolution?
The list goes on and on obviously, but I've never seen you display the slightest knowledge of these things. You should be a little bit more humble when saying that science is a load of bullocks until you at least have a basic understanding of it.
Insert any Politician's name in place of 'Coach'.
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Good thread here!
I wonder if you took a current survey on people with a good education vs. non educated people. What percentage would believe in god and what percentage wouldn't. Mentioned this in another thread, not one peer or colleague of mine that has a university degree, or more affluent, even more cultured/worldly, believes in god. I don't know one person.
I've taken time to look into a few different religions out of curiosity and maybe to try and get a sense of identity through it. My conclusion was that it's unreal that people believe in this. I just can't believe the masses have fallen for it for so long.
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"Jesus just left Chicago, and he's headed down to New Orleans"
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I knew you'd get it if you saw the post 8)
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Good thread here!
I wonder if you took a current survey on people with a good education vs. non educated people. What percentage would believe in god and what percentage wouldn't. Mentioned this in another thread, not one peer or colleague of mine that has a university degree, or more affluent, even more cultured/worldly, believes in god. I don't know one person.
I've taken time to look into a few different religions out of curiosity and maybe to try and get a sense of identity through it. My conclusion was that it's unreal that people believe in this. I just can't believe the masses have fallen for it for so long.
Have you looked at Buddhism?
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Have you looked at Buddhism?
Wasn't Buddha born out of a slit in his mother's belly? Why do they fear the vagina so badly?
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Have you looked at Buddhism?
Briefly and one that I found the most appealing to me. Really really interesting. The Buddhism "philosophy" is very cool and essentially concepts I live by.
Good call!
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Have you looked at Buddhism?
You mean like Fat Panda ??? ;D
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Wasn't Buddha born out of a slit in his mother's belly? Why do they fear the vagina so badly?
the "core" concepts are fairly bang on with what I think is right from wrong. Developing yourself mentally, virtue, good conduct, morality etc... Probably a few I don't agree with but a lot of them I do.
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Briefly and one that I found the most appealing to me. Really really interesting. The Buddhism "philosophy" is very cool and essentially concepts I live by.
Good call!
It is, but it has one fatal flaw. Eventually someone, somewhere will either want you dead or try to kill or hurt you or your family...you can't shrug that away....
You can see it as a "difference of philosophy" and fuck that person up...
But that whole "test to the pathway of enlightenment"---how the fuck are you gonna continue your path if someone is gonna kill you? WTF, do you get a "enlightenment coin" to put in the "Life Arcade" slot to continue? Fuck that shit...
At least with Islam, Judaism, Christianity, I get the "fuck you up card" and god says, "hey guy, you mess with the bull, you get the horns", other than that, Buddhism seems to be okay....
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So basically what you're saying is anyone with a unversity degree doesn't believe in God? What about the people that have degrees that do believe? This really the liberal elitist mentality. It no secret that most unversities teach with a very liberal leaning, they make no bones about it. Those same unversities also point their agends at non-creationaism. That was a weak arguement X-factor.
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And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand
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And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand
Define liberalism in your own words
OR SHUT THE FUCK UP
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And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand
Sounds like a quote from Rush Limbaugh.
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So basically what you're saying is anyone with a unversity degree doesn't believe in God? What about the people that have degrees that do believe? This really the liberal elitist mentality. It no secret that most unversities teach with a very liberal leaning, they make no bones about it. Those same unversities also point their agends at non-creationaism. That was a weak arguement X-factor.
It's not really an argument. More of an observance with an underlying meaning. I wouldn't mind having friends that have religious beliefs as I'd be interested in their perspectives. I mean perspectives from someone that's say an MBA or PH.D and has some neat accomplishments under their belts.
By the way you spellled University wrong two times. Just sayin.
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And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand
I'll be a devils advocate here. I'd say I'm much more Conservative politically than liberal. From a fiscal standpoint especially.
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So basically what you're saying is anyone with a unversity degree doesn't believe in God? What about the people that have degrees that do believe? This really the liberal elitist mentality. It no secret that most unversities teach with a very liberal leaning, they make no bones about it. Those same unversities also point their agends at non-creationaism. That was a weak arguement X-factor.
Coach, I'm a catholic atheist. (raised catholic turned atheist) ...during my college years at the largest Catholic university in USA. DePaul University (not sure if it's still the largest?)
It's not that the universities teach towards non-creationism. It's that the education you receive will make you realize that the concept of religion and god is illogical. After spending countless hours of learning about chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology, ...etc.
You begin to tie in all of those concepts together and the more you learn about the universe and world the more (in my case) I realized that it's insane that people subscribe to religion and god.
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Coach, I'm a catholic atheist. (raised catholic turned atheist) ...during my college years at the largest Catholic university in USA. DePaul University (not sure if it's still the largest?)
It's not that the universities teach towards non-creationism. It's that the education you receive will make you realize that the concept of religion and god is illogical. After spending countless hours of learning about chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology, ...etc.
You begin to tie in all of those concepts together and the more you learn about the universe and world the more (in my case) I realized that it's insane that people subscribe to religion and god.
thats when I started to question things.
I really like this post
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It's not really an argument. More of an observance with an underlying meaning. I wouldn't mind having friends that have religious beliefs as I'd be interested in their perspectives. I mean perspectives from someone that's say an MBA or PH.D and has some neat accomplishments under their belts.
By the way you spellled University wrong two times. Just sayin.
;D
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;D
Luckily I got the University party right. That's clearly a typo, where spelling the same word twice wrong is maybe something else?
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UNIVERSITIES THAT TEACH SCIENCE HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST "CREATIONISM"? OH MY "GOD" WHAT A SHOCKING FACT
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UNIVERSITIES THAT TEACH SCIENCE HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST "CREATIONISM"? OH MY "GOD" WHAT A SHOCKING FACT
Xerxes what are your beliefs? Sorry don't want to scroll this entire thread.
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Xerxes what are your beliefs? Sorry don't want to scroll this entire thread.
I don't have any religious beliefs. I am a nihilist in many ways.
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I don't have any religious beliefs. I am a nihilist in many ways.
As I recall you're at a good university or have completed studies at one? What is your observance in your peers?
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I don't have any religious beliefs. I am a nihilist in many ways.
I'm calling Charlie Sheen to get this shit straight right now.
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As I recall you're at a good university or have completed studies at one? What is your observance in your peers?
Business school.. 2.yr of bachelor.. The muslims are either religious or claim to be in fear of alienation from friends and family, most Christians are non practicing and don't give a shit about religion but are "christian" = like eating ribs and getting christmas gifts. I'm talking about the general feel I get among the young here in Norway, haven't exactly surveyed the people at school.
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Luckily I got the University party right. That's clearly a typo, where spelling the same word twice wrong is maybe something else?
Look at the film Agora, look at what Religious zealots did to the first lady of Philosophy and Science and what happened to the Library of Alexandria.
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Look at the film Agora, look at what Religious zealots did to the first lady of Philosophy and Science and what happened to the Library of Alexandria.
I'll check it out
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Coach, how good is your understanding of the scientific view on the creation of the universe and life?
Do you know what a Goldilocks zone is? Do you know where the most abundant biomass is located on earth(hint: a place that your bible would know absolutely nothing about)? Do you know anything about the formation of amino acids? Do you understand basic Newtonian and quantum physics? Do you really understand the basic theory of evolution?
The list goes on and on obviously, but I've never seen you display the slightest knowledge of these things. You should be a little bit more humble when saying that science is a load of bullocks until you at least have a basic understanding of it.
If you can be bothered, please rate yourself on a scale from 1 to 10 in how well you think you understand science, 10 being a professor in natural sciences and 1 being a redneck with downs syndrome. I'd put myself at a 6. I'm just curios what your self-perception is here.
coach has no education and his job is to train people and convince them of his knowledges by sporting a physique he obtained using steroids... i guess it answers your question.
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Imagine a world without evil...without an example for those to NOT follow.
Imagine everybody all happy and singing Smurfette's "La-La" song...people would be offing themselves due to bordem. Evil is needed in this world, the wicked have to be played off the righteous, and vice versa. Just as a world could not exist with pure evil...man would not be able to create it's civilization, everybody would have killed each other off. Hardship, evil deeds and the fight against them fuel man to be better. So, in a sense, The Devil serves a purpose, and is serving God, a way of stoking the flames of man's survival, an quality control system...
It's called the animal kingdom. No rules, only the survival of the fittest, strongest. You either adapt at all costs, imitate other people strategies of survival to insure your own survival or the survival of your offspring.
Schopenhauer, Kant, buddhists....all came to the same conclusion ; life is an infinite circle with no other purpose but to perpetuate itself. Nothing is ever new, everything is always a repetition of something from the past, but we re never aware that we are repeating patterns. Hapiness leads to suffering that leads to hapiness, that leads to suffering, over and over and over again. They all come to the conclusion you have to be good and compasionate while on earth but you should not reproduce because it would mean that you would participate in the perpetuation of suffering which is the ultimate mistake.
Buddhism is essentially nihilistic, and all these views of existence all share the same concept that women are the matrix, the origin of evil, who always want babies and always lure men into giving em babies. They "want" love, yet give birth to more suffering.
When you give birth you also give death and suffering.
Something you can find in christianism with eve eating the apple.
It is always the same story, with some particularities depending of how it evolved in different places of the world. All religions originate in the same behaviors and beliefs our ancestors, homo erectus, developped while struggling to survive. This is how the recent brain (prefrontal lobes) evolved. It's an extension of the old brain (lymbic system and reptilian brain) that has for sole purpose to make us even more tougher and such able to survive.
Surviving = hapiness.
Dying or having low chances of survival compared to others = depression and death.
The funny is that both happy people -good looking, rich, educated- and depressed ones -ugly, uneducated, violent- reproduce.
To believe, to hope for something in the future, is a construction of your brain which makes you want so survive. If you have no hope and dont believe in anything youre existence becomes pointless and you start harming yourself or others. People who have been abandonned, hated, by their family, parents, are more prone to become depressive. They have a low level of serotonin in the brain. People who have been loved by their family have a higher level of serotonine in their brain.
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It's called the animal kingdom. No rules, only the survival of the fittest, strongest. You either adapt at all costs, imitate other people strategies of survival to insure your own survival or the survival of your offspring.
Schopenhauer, Kant, buddhists....all came to the same conclusion ; life is an infinite circle with no other purpose but to perpetuate itself. Nothing is ever new, everything is always a repetition of something from the past, but we re never aware that we are repeating patterns. Hapiness leads to suffering that leads to hapiness, that leads to suffering, over and over and over again. They all come to the conclusion you have to be good and compasionate while on earth but you should not reproduce because it would mean that you would participate in the perpetuation of suffering which is the ultimate mistake.
Buddhism is essentially nihilistic, and all these views of existence all share the same concept that women are the matrix, the origin of evil, who always want babies and always lure men into giving em babies. They "want" love, yet give birth to more suffering.
When you give birth you also give death and suffering.
Something you can find in christianism with eve eating the apple.
It is always the same story, with some particularities depending of how it evolved in different places of the world. All religions originate in the same behaviors and beliefs our ancestors, homo erectus, developped while struggling to survive. This is how the recent brain (prefrontal lobes) evolved. It's an extension of the old brain (lymbic system and reptilian brain) that has for sole purpose to make us even more tougher and such able to survive.
Surviving = hapiness.
Dying or having low chances of survival compared to others = depression and death.
The funny is that both happy people -good looking, rich, educated- and depressed ones -ugly, uneducated, violent- reproduce.
To believe, to hope for something in the future, is a construction of your brain which makes you want so survive. If you have no hope and dont believe in anything youre existence becomes pointless and you start harming yourself or others. People who have been abandonned, hated, by their family, parents, are more prone to become depressive. They have a low level of serotonin in the brain. People who have been loved by their family have a higher level of serotonine in their brain.
THis should clear things up for you and all the other pagans: Psalm 14:1
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THis should clear things up for you and all the other pagans: Psalm 14:1
Don't be so fucking lazy, just post up the damn thing
Psalm 14:1-7 (King James Version)
Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
5There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
6Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.
7Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
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Bible says God created evil..
You are correct, the King James bible has a few verses that read exactly that way (in Isaiah, in Lamentations, another verse I don't recall where). The word "evil" used in the King James version actually comes from a Hebrew word (don't know it) which means "disaster" or "catastrophe" if I remember correctly. The noted evil that was created was not the evil we as humans choose to committ (moral decision on our part). The old english King James bible just doesn't read/speak like we do today (I own one, but don't refer to it...have a modern translation bible I study from). Still, the original intent in both versions (King James and modern english) is the same...wording has been translated for the audience and language of today. Aside from those couple of verses I don't recall anywhere else.....I'm no expert though.
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You are correct, the King James bible has a few verses that read exactly that way (in Isaiah, in Lamentations, another verse I don't recall where). The word "evil" used in the King James version actually comes from a Hebrew word (don't know it) which means "disaster" or "catastrophe" if I remember correctly. The noted evil that was created was not the evil we as humans choose to committ (moral decision on our part). The old english King James bible just doesn't read/speak like we do today (I own one, but don't refer to it...have a modern translation bible I study from). Still, the original intent in both versions (King James and modern english) is the same...wording has been translated for the audience and language of today. Aside from those couple of verses I don't recall anywhere else.....I'm no expert though.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
In another passage Isaiah goes on to say that NOTHING exists that god didn't create.
In other words, if it exists, God created it.
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Don't be so fucking lazy, just post up the damn thing
Psalm 14:1-7 (King James Version)
Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
5There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
6Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.
7Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
I should write a book, then state in the book that anyone who disagrees with what I say in the book, is a fool.....then, when someone points out a flaw in my book, I can point to that passage and end the argument.. genuis! ::)
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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
In another passage Isaiah goes on to say that NOTHING exists that god didn't create.
In other words, if it exists, God created it.
Honestly, don't know what else to tell you. I was correct on the verse you were referring and resolved the translation issue.
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Honestly, don't know what else to tell you. I was correct on the verse you were referring and resolved the translation issue.
Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?
Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?
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Coach, I'm a catholic atheist. (raised catholic turned atheist) ...during my college years at the largest Catholic university in USA. DePaul University (not sure if it's still the largest?)
It's not that the universities teach towards non-creationism. It's that the education you receive will make you realize that the concept of religion and god is illogical. After spending countless hours of learning about chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology, ...etc.
You begin to tie in all of those concepts together and the more you learn about the universe and world the more (in my case) I realized that it's insane that people subscribe to religion and god.
thats when I started to question things.
I really like this post
I haven't read this whole thread so you may have answered my question (sorry if I missed it) but pluck and XFACTOR, will you explain how chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology etc.... made you think there could be no God?
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A think the real question is... what is more solid?
Which one answer most questions?
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I haven't read this whole thread so you may have answered my question (sorry if I missed it) but pluck and XFACTOR, will you explain how chemistry, bio, math, physics, microbiology etc.... made you think there could be no God?
For me believing in a god didn't feel natural. It's always been like that since I was a little kid. I went through several months of confirmation school only to quit the day before the actual confirmation.. every single fiber in my body told me not to go through with it. For being only 14 years old at the time I'm very proud of being able to make that decision going against friends and some members of my family.
Later on when discovering the wonders of natural sciences it just merely reaffirms my belief that god is a man made ghost that is not needed to explain anything, and even though a lot of things are yet to be discovered, adding god into the equation would just make matters worse.
The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the holy scriptures literally.
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For me believing in a god didn't feel natural. It's always been like that since I was a little kid. I went through several months of confirmation school only to quit the day before the actual confirmation.. every single fiber in my body told me not to go through with it. For being only 14 years old at the time I'm very proud of being able to make that decision going against friends and some members of my family.
Later on when discovering the wonders of natural sciences it just merely reaffirms by belief that god is a man made ghost that is not needed to explain anything, and even though a lot of things are yet to be discovered, adding god into the equation would just make matters worse.
The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the bible literally.
Was your confirmation deal for the Roman Catholic church?
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Was your confirmation deal for the Roman Catholic church?
Nope, protestant.
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Nope, protestant.
Is it a Methodist thing...if not what denomination is it?
I find it interesting that even as a little kid believing in God didn't feel natural. That just seems foreign to me I guess!
Were your parents believers all your life?
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Is it a Methodist thing...if not what denomination is it?
I find it interesting that even as a little kid believing in God didn't feel natural. That just seems foreign to me I guess!
Were your parents believers all your life?
No particular denomination that I can think of or remember... in these parts when we talk about the church we just automatically assume it's protestant without going into details which is different from the states where you can find any variation of church you could possibly imagine.
My mother says she believes in a higher being but honestly you'd never notice, she's by no means religious but thinks that its a tradition to be baptized and go through confirmation etc. My dad I'm sure is at least agnostic if not atheist and he probably had the biggest influence on me, but it was not direct. He never tried to convince me that there is no god but encouraged me to read and ask questions instead.
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Honestly, don't know what else to tell you. I was correct on the verse you were referring and resolved the translation issue.
Although we don't share the same personal beliefs, I do appreciate the way you conduct yourself during the discussion. Believers can often resort to "you're just to stupid to see the evidence" and non believers often resort to "you're just to gullible to see the lack of evidence". This is usually the case and so when I have discussion about religion and it remains respectful and cordial, I really appreciate it.
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Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?
Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?
Here is my thing, if the God of the bible is beyond our comprehension, and the bible was written for us to comprehend him better, why does he come off as a cranky old Clint Eastwood in the Old Testament and in the New Testament like Mr. Rogers?
He comes off as if constructed by a human male mind. Including calling him "Father", Lord, God, Him, etc.
If anything one would assume that God would be a woman, due to her giving birth, and how the earth is seen as feminine---giving birth to plants, thus human civilization could grow. And water is associated with the feminine as well.
If we look at the Biblical God, he exhibits masculine traits---punishment, even "impregnating" women, being stern, ruling, etc.
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Here is my thing, if the God of the bible is beyond our comprehension, and the bible was written for us to comprehend him better, why does he come off as a cranky old Clint Eastwood in the Old Testament and in the New Testament like Mr. Rogers?
He comes off as if constructed by a human male mind. Including calling him "Father", Lord, God, Him, etc.
If anything one would assume that God would be a woman, due to her giving birth, and how the earth is seen as feminine---giving birth to plants, thus human civilization could grow. And water is associated with the feminine as well.
If we look at the Biblical God, he exhibits masculine traits---punishment, even "impregnating" women, being stern, ruling, etc.
The whole God concept is ridiculous , do you honestly think for one moment a being who created the entire Universe ( or multiverse ) and everything in it is actually jealous? or cares if one man has sex with another? or wants people do abstain from masturbation? or not saying his name in vain? this is offensive to something with this type of capability and exposes who wrote the bible and laced it with their fears & insecurities , simpleminded , ignorant , petty , jealous men
It's beyond rational , logical thought that anyone can actually think that the bible in the infallible word of God it's actually a disservice entertaining there is one.
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Although we don't share the same personal beliefs, I do appreciate the way you conduct yourself during the discussion. Believers can often resort to "you're just to stupid to see the evidence" and non believers often resort to "you're just to gullible to see the lack of evidence". This is usually the case and so when I have discussion about religion and it remains respectful and cordial, I really appreciate it.
I appreciate that and I agree. I don't like when believers attack nonbelievers. We're supposed to be witnesses for Christ. How's anyone supposed to see Christ in you if you're acting a fool? I believe Christians need to better educated and better aware, especially in this communication age where information is so readily available at incredible speed. We're all google-fueled and sometimes that's a good thing other times not so great. I don't get upset when someone disagrees with my beliefs. I often find that most nonbelievers attack believers immediately because they have had poor experiences with believers in the past...that's a shame. I don't have all the answers to the tough, tough questions (sometimes I have a few). I just try and conduct myself with integrity and in manner that respects both my beliefs and those I'm sharing my beliefs with. I you give respect you often get respect (not always, but most times). I've learned a ton from nonbelievers that have provided opportunities for me to seek out information on topics I know nothing about. I often find it sad that nonbelievers know more scripture than believers do....that has to change. I just remain positive and hope that eventually those I'm speaking with will recognize that I'm not a threat or looking to judge. That's got nothing to do with Christ's love and that's all I want others to experience.
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God loves everybody, including you love monkey :) dont worry about the troubles of this life
Get the fuck out of here ::)
Since I joined this board in 2006 you have consistently shown to be one of the most arrogant idiots with unwarranted cockiness the size of the moon.
Every single topic you debate you come off as an immature retard. Not immature as in vulgar or offensive, but worse. You're immature in the worst possible way, where it seems that your brain stopped developing when you were 12 years old. You're an arrogant prick with drug seeking behavior to boot. If not cocaine, then weed. If not weed, then steroids. Or both. What the fuck are you really? What would you be without drugs and your arrogance?
Did you pay back the money you stole from your momma yet?
And yes, meltdown.
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Kinda like Uberknob!
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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
In another passage Isaiah goes on to say that NOTHING exists that god didn't create.
In other words, if it exists, God created it.
Exactly. One passage that irks me is......." do not love the world or the things of the world, for the things of the world are not of GOD". Well........im not exactly sure what they mean when they say " things " BUT.......GOD MAKES MAN........Gives/creates man with the thought process too Invent/create/build " things ". Soo........GOD MAKES MAN......MAKES " THINGS". GOD=MAN=THINGS. And also........when they say " world " do they mean " earth ", if soo.........Didnt GOD create the " world"-earth????
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The whole God concept is ridiculous , do you honestly think for one moment a being who created the entire Universe ( or multiverse ) and everything in it is actually jealous? or cares if one man has sex with another? or wants people do abstain from masturbation? or not saying his name in vain?
QFT! Here you nail it! This kind of god is just the projections of a typical middle east male mindset. Honor, jealousy, anger, sexual obsessions, revenge...
And this petty creature created the Cosmos? Good thing he had the time to figure out rules for where man should dip his penis, lol.
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QFT! Here you nail it! This kind of god is just the projections of a typical middle east male mindset. Honor, jealousy, anger, sexual obsessions, revenge...
And this petty creature created the Cosmos? Good thing he had the time to figure out rules for where man should dip his penis, lol.
Nn
The only concept worth considering is that of a prime mover, and even then it's highly improbable, knowing what we know now about the early Universe.
Religion, ie: the anthropomorphic god(s) of all the major religions are absolutely 100% fallacious; smattering of historical accuracies aside. It's an utterly ridiculous concept for people to adhere to.
This is bloody hilarious.
Herman Cain was also a target of Stewart's, after he said he wouldn't appoint a Muslim as a federal judge or to his cabinet. But it was Newt Gingrich who got the funniest response from Stewart after he warned of a future, secular, Atheist America, "potentially one dominated by radical Islamists." Atheist Muslims? Stewart had to call him out:
"How can a secular Atheist country be dominated by religious extremists? What, do they pray five times a day to a God they don't believe exists?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/31/jon-stewart-mocks-bachman-cain-gingrich_n_842984.html
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well the Holy Crusade goes on.
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Exactly. One passage that irks me is......." do not love the world or the things of the world, for the things of the world are not of GOD". Well........im not exactly sure what they mean when they say " things " BUT.......GOD MAKES MAN........Gives/creates man with the thought process too Invent/create/build " things ". Soo........GOD MAKES MAN......MAKES " THINGS". GOD=MAN=THINGS. And also........when they say " world " do they mean " earth ", if soo.........Didnt GOD create the " world"-earth????
Here's a touch of context for that verse in question:
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world -- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life -- is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever." 1 John 2:15-17
I believe the crux of that verse is to put God first in your life and turn from the sinful ways of the world. I'm not an ordained minister, but that would be my novice perspective.
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Which begs another question.. If a god actually wrote, (inspired, guided the authors) the bible, why would there be translation errors at all? Why would the word witches be used in the KJV and referenced to give authority to burn witches alive at the stake? Why would god allow "disaster" to be translated erroneously to "evil" in the 1600's and stand as the standard for 400 yrs?
Why, if Christians claim the holy spirit guides them, would there be hundreds of denominations claiming the bible says different things? Why do Christians, who claim they can talk to god, the author of the book, argue about once saved always saved, or water baptism, or what hell is like....?
Don't know anything about ancient language and translational language ideas other than some tidbits of things I've picked up along the way (like that I mentioned previously). I fairly certain all the information can be googled.
Much like the growing population of kids that call themselves cagefighters cause they scrap with their friends in their backyards and parking lots, we have a world of people calling themselves Christians and simply aren't. I have extended members of my own family that claim to be Christians and just aren't. They blend Buddhism, Christianity and other feel good ideas to create an acceptable version of Christianity for themselves.....often one that doesn't hold them accountable for their actions (LOL imagine that!).
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Flawless reasoning at it's best!
LOL, this is hilarious....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The final nail in the coffin is when you start studying history... you realize very quickly just how corrupted and twisted these religions are and how it baffles the mind that some people take the holy scriptures literally.
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And like it or not, yes, liberalism and athieism generally go hand in hand
Explain that to Karl Rove. He was pretty much the one responsible for getting Bush elected twice. The man is a genius.
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With the hate you pagans have toward religion it sounds like you kids were molested by a priest.
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With the hate you pagans have toward religion it sounds like you kids were molested by a priest.
No hate. You are just one amongst many who are mislead by religion.
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With the hate you pagans have toward religion it sounds like you kids were molested by a priest.
(http://doctore0.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/pope-benedict-baby-feeding-cage.jpg?w=450)
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Just look into this guy's eyes and tell me satan doesn't exist....
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You get the feeling the Pop knows it's all bullshit though! He probably just enjoy having one billion people looking to the Vatican for guidance.
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You get the feeling the Pop knows it's all bullshit though! He probably just enjoy having one billion people looking to the Vatican for guidance.
Of course he knows it is BS... Those guys are the ultimate hustlers.
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I've said this before. If God is all knowing and knows what we're going to do before we do it...why did he tell A&E about picking, eating Fruit from the tree of knowledge, and then punishes them for doing it? God k ew that they were going to do it, yet punishes them for a act that he knew was going to take place...makes no sense
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I've said this before. If God is all knowing and knows what we're going to do before we do it...why did he tell A&E about picking, eating Fruit from the tree of knowledge, and then punishes them for doing it? God k ew that they were going to do it, yet punishes them for a act that he knew was going to take place...makes no sense
P funk,
Am I going to have to send you back fr a refresher sermon at Ebenezer Baptist Church?
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I've said this before. If God is all knowing and knows what we're going to do before we do it...why did he tell A&E about picking, eating Fruit from the tree of knowledge, and then punishes them for doing it? God k ew that they were going to do it, yet punishes them for a act that he knew was going to take place...makes no sense
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Then what happens in that movie? I'll tell ya, Satan's shown to be the liar he his.
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Explain that to Karl Rove. He was pretty much the one responsible for getting Bush elected twice. The man is a genius.
Yup. He and Bush used to laugh at the brain-dead evangelicals delivering them the votes.