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Looks like he was carved from stone.
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Set 2
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incredible dense ,hardness,dry build.side triceps he hit it perfect and forearms on up was muscled heavy,,rear dbl bi was not greatest pose ,his back looks great but arms and delts don't flow as say wheelers did.
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hey iceman where is that nasser back pic. you said you would post??!!.. >:(
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look at the side tricps pose, if Levrone could be on stage with Dorian's dryness/condition, he would have been Mr. O from 92 to 97!
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Really, Levrone's body real FLOW, you look at him and the body just massage your eyes, it's all harmony!
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Excellent shots..!
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All the Coleman nut-huggers seriously should check this out. Unreal.
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hey iceman where is that nasser back pic. you said you would post??!!.. >:(
I posted the RLS back pic in the Nasser 1999 BFTO thread. Here it is again.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=410251.msg5870282#msg5870282
I also have Nasser's training video "On the way Part 1". I'll post some pics. He looks pretty good.
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All the Coleman nut-huggers seriously should check this out. Unreal.
Well, a Coleman fan posted them ;D
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He looks crazy here :o shame about the left biceps otherwize that double bi would have been insane
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He looks crazy here :o shame about the left biceps otherwize that double bi would have been insane
It's because he's standing by himself. Same show:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40124&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40136&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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It's because he's standing by himself. Same show:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40124&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40136&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Lol.
Typical Bobs, gotta show up in a thread about Dorian and bring up Nasser.
Too bad Nasser got his ass handed to him this show, like every O' show except 97.
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I posted the RLS back pic in the Nasser 1999 BFTO thread. Here it is again.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=410251.msg5870282#msg5870282
I also have Nasser's training video "On the way Part 1". I'll post some pics. He looks pretty good.
many thx iceman.. great shot!!.. dorian was lucky nasser didnt come to the olympia with his back like this.. ;D
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse shoe of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse shoe of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
COMON GH15
LOOK AT THE VIDEOS MAN! NOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BODYBUILDER FROM ANOTHER FUCKING PLANET LIKE COLEMAN WAS SAID TO BE..... HE FUCKING TRULY WAS LOOK AT THE FUCKING VIDEOS AGAIN... CONDITIONING!!!!!!!! SIZE!!!!!!! HARDNESS!!!!!!!!!! HE FUCKING HAD IT ALL.... when he spiked his calf in the rear double bicep it was like it was a MOUNTAIN OF MUSCLE MASSS covered only by skin nothing else was flexing
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i see dorian the clear winner in 1995..
if i compare him to nasser on that day:
FR: nasser..
QT-R: dorian (due to better execution of the pose)..
QT-L: nasser (because dorian's torn bi can be seen)..
BR: dorian..
FDB: nasser..
FLS: dorian (dorian's lats were rounder and fuller and also nasser was executing the pose wrong)..
SC: dorian (only because nasser was executing the pose wrong)..
RDB: dorian..
RLS: dorian..
ST: tie (where nasser's shoulders, chest, and, quads were better dorian's triceps and calves were better)..
A&T: tie (where dorian's lats were fuller nasser's quads and abs were harder and more detailed)..
MM: nasser..
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many thx iceman.. great shot!!.. dorian was lucky nasser didnt come to the olympia with his back like this.. ;D
I have to admit that Nasser's RLS in that pic looks damn impressive. If only he hit the pose like that then he would of probably won more contests and placed higher in the contests he didn't win.
Here is a RLS from his video Nasser On The Way:
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I have to admit that Nasser's RLS in that pic looks damn impressive. If only he hit the pose like that then he would of probably won more contests and placed higher in the contests he didn't win.
Here is a RLS from his video Nasser On The Way:
yes and i made a thread about his RLS before :D
sure not dorian's or ronnie's level but clearly better than many other top pros who were not criticized for having weak backs!!..
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fap fap
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse shoe of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
Lol
GH15, in some threads you praise Doz, in others you hate on him, you have no consistency.
???
Is 225for70 right? Are you a shared account? Or are you just Nasser? Hahaha ;D
Holy fucking legs in the bottom pic BTW.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453446;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453455;image)
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Nasser winning the fdb there, just needed Dorians forearms to perfect the shot.
It's because he's standing by himself. Same show:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40124&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40136&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Ronnie Coleman couldn't touch it and I doubt if any bodybuilder in the future will be able to. Truly in a league of his own
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse shoe of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
Dera Mr. GH15, With all the respect i have for you and your comments about modern BB, it does not make sense when you are telling Dorian had below average Genetics and has won 6 OLYMPIA Titles just because he had a good response to drugs!!??he was competing with some of the best Bodybuilders of all times, like Levrone, Shawn Ray, Nasser, Cormier and ....all these guys had superior genetics in my believe and superior drug response as well. i dont know if there is more than one person writing for GH15 account ??otherwise i cant believe he can make such childish comments on one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. if you just take a look on the video of his first competition in England as a teenager you can see if he is sub average genetics or super genetics??
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse shoe of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
Isn't bodybuilding all about making the most of what you have and building beyond it?
Pro bodybuilding is all about adding the drugs to take it even further again.
Welcome to the board, you may learn something and maybe even compete yourself one day ... ;)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
His legs have little to no separation at all. So great back>everything else
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All this harping back just proves how bodybuilding peaked in the mid 1990's.
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one of the worst arms in bodybuikld history ,, realy averge genetic that due to hgh and insulina climbed up and got to mr o title he responded well to combos of gh insulina and diuretic,, if you take a look in the horse of his ,, it is realy pathetic when it come to the sepreation with the delt...with out gh and high dose gh and diuretic dorian would never win an o title,,dount he would even be profesional,, but as you all know bodybuild is about how you respnd to drugs and all of them including timing,, his arms just dont have ,,well they are local level lol so say is nicely,,take attention to the horse show lines,, it just hgh created lines,, his lines are not good
he really si the first true averageto sub average genetic fella who got to be mr o in modern bodybuild,,his respond to drugs? phnominal
gh15 approved
you been injecting into your retina lately or somthing?
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you been injecting into your retina lately or somthing?
Agreed. I actually went back to the photo to look again. Huh?
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
Yates destroying Nasser in the MM pose with a torn left biceps in the same contest. LOL
And just look at the unbelievable separation in Yates upper legs compared to the synthol user next to him. LOL
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
I know what you mean. In some poses Dorian looks ripped to shreds like the side tricep, ab & thigh, rear latspread, back double bicep, sides, rear relaxed, but he didn't have that same conditioning in the front double bicep, front latpread, front relaxed and most muscular. I don't know why maybe it's because his quads from the front weren't that separated only his inner quad (thigh rods) made his thighs look great in the ab & thigh pose. If you notice Dorian never hit the ab & thigh with both of his legs forward, but instead he would show the inner part of his thigh (pic below).
As for his front latspread (pic below) he never flexed his chest. That's why no striations are showing. What really made him stand out in this pose were his lats. They were like friggin balloons.
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Yates destroying Nasser in the MM pose with a torn left biceps in the same contest. LOL
And just look at the unbelievable separation in Yates upper legs compared to the synthol user next to him. LOL
wtf how do you figure he's "destroying" Nasser in that pose? Yates looks smaller and less detailed and striated there. As for upper quads, it's because Nasser's are blackened out mostly by the lighting. How about compare quads in a pic which shows both of their quads in full and without blacked-out lighting like this one:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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I know what you mean. In some poses Dorian looks ripped to shreds like the side tricep, ab & thigh, rear latspread, back double bicep, sides, rear relaxed, but he didn't have that same conditioning in the front double bicep, front latpread, front relaxed and most muscular. I don't know why maybe it's because his quads from the front weren't that separated only his inner quad (thigh rods) made his thighs look great in the ab & thigh pose. If you notice Dorian never hit the ab & thigh with both of his legs forward, but instead he would show the inner part of his thigh (pic below).
As for his front latspread (pic below) he never flexed his chest. That's why no striations are showing. What really made him stand out in this pose were his lats. They were like friggin balloons.
Thank you for the acknowledgement - here we have a Dorian fan that doesn't get butt-hurt at the slightest criticism like Rocketswitch lol.
I agree his lats looked very wide in the front relaxed and front lat spread poses, but overall I don't think those are stand-out poses for him becuase of his how his front upper body looks so smooth in them.
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wtf how do you figure he's "destroying" Nasser in that pose? Yates looks smaller and less detailed and striated there. As for upper quads, it's because Nasser's are blackened out mostly by the lighting. How about compare quads in a pic which shows both of their quads in full and without blacked-out lighting like this one:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Go read up on how the Mr. Olympia contest is judged, then come back and post on here.
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a few random pics do dispel some of this nonsense .... 1st up.. are you watching gh15!!!!
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and a few more just for the crack..... some of the best worst genetics ive ever seen!
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Thank you for the acknowledgement - here we have a Dorian fan that doesn't get butt-hurt at the slightest criticism like Rocketswitch lol.
I agree his lats looked very wide in the front relaxed and front lat spread poses, but overall I don't think those are stand-out poses for him becuase of his how his front upper body looks so smooth in them.
Bigbobs... are you serious. Do you really not think Dorian's front lats spread is a stand-out pose for him? According to most, his FLS is among the best poses of any bb-pose ever...
As for the front relaxed, I think Dorian execute the pose as it should be - relaxed. Though, I think they should tighten the thighs and show the separation, but keeping the upper body rather relaxed (like Arnold did - as he was 'just standing there'). Nasser also looks fantastic in the front relaxed, but that is when he is relaxed and shows his tremendous width by 'relaxing' and widen out his shoulders. I don't find the pic above, where he is 'flexing', to be favoring him compared to Dorian. You or someone else should rather find the magazine pic from the 97 Mr.O where Dorian and Nasser stand relaxed...
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wtf how do you figure he's "destroying" Nasser in that pose? Yates looks smaller and less detailed and striated there. As for upper quads, it's because Nasser's are blackened out mostly by the lighting. How about compare quads in a pic which shows both of their quads in full and without blacked-out lighting like this one:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Lol.
Two people hitting the pose 2 completely different ways.
Nasser crunches down and flex's everything giving the appearance of being better conditioned.
Dorian isnt flexed, he's standing relaxed. Considering its called the "front relaxed". If I posted a pic where Nasser was not tensed and half posed with a shot of Dorian flexing every muscle for all he's got, youd be freaking out.
Nasser never could figure out how to hit half of his poses right. Nasser's quads had better separation and about even sweep (in 95) from the front. Fucking LAWL at the "blacked out quads", they just as visible as Dorians.
You cant take someone hitting the pose completely ass backwards wrong and declare them the winner, lol.
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Lol.
Two people hitting the pose 2 completely different ways.
Nasser crunches down and flex's everything giving the appearance of being better conditioned.
Dorian isnt flexed, he's standing relaxed. Considering its called the "front relaxed". If I posted a pic where Nasser was not tensed and half posed with a shot of Dorian flexing every muscle for all he's got, youd be freaking out.
Nasser never could figure out how to hit half of his poses right. Nasser's quads had better separation and about even sweep (in 95) from the front. Fucking LAWL at the "blacked out quads", they just as visible as Dorians.
You cant take someone hitting the pose completely ass backwards wrong and declare them the winner, lol.
Shockwave and EspenG, you'll rarely find two people hitting a pose EXACTLY the same way, but that doesn't mean one can't consider who looks better. Ironically, if Dorian looks better in a pose which he's hitting differently the responses are "Nasser can't even hit the pose right so Dorian wins this shot" and when Nasser looks better in a pose where him and Dorian are hitting it differently the response is "Nasser isn't hitting the pose correctly, if he was hitting it the same way as Dorian he may not look as good." Do you see the double standard?
Is there really a "correct" way to hit each pose? Where are the directions documented as to what the "correct" ways are? Is it just assumed that the way the 70's bb'ers held certainposes are the "correct" ways?
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Dorian's side-chest in those pictures is fucking crazy. He more or less lost to Haney because of pec thickness ... but Dozzer's pecs a few years later? Holy fuck.
And yeah, in the so-called "front relaxed," Nasser looks much harder. But then, he's crunching down on his abs, flexing his pecs and delts and quads for all they are worth. Dozzer did little more than stand still, spread his lats and stand there looking as wide as possible -- still not "relaxed," but a fair sight from what Nasser was doing IMO.
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Dorian's side-chest in those pictures is fucking crazy. He more or less lost to Haney because of pec thickness ... but Dozzer's pecs a few years later? Holy fuck.
And yeah, in the so-called "front relaxed," Nasser looks much harder. But then, he's crunching down on his abs, flexing his pecs and delts and quads for all they are worth. Dozzer did little more than stand still, spread his lats and stand there looking as wide as possible -- still not "relaxed," but a fair sight from what Nasser was doing IMO.
Really if everyone was totally "relaxed" in the "front relaxed" their waist would be hanging out as well. The idea is to hold the pose in whatever way looks best for you. Even when they're not posing they're supposed to be conscious of how they look compared to each other and as much as possible stay tense, waist sucked in, etc.
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Really if everyone was totally "relaxed" in the "front relaxed" their waist would be hanging out as well. The idea is to hold the pose in whatever way looks best for you. Even when they're not posing they're supposed to be conscious of how they look compared to each other and as much as possible stay tense, waist sucked in, etc.
True, but as I recall, Dorian won the '95 Olympia in overwhelming fashion. Even Levrone placed between Doz and Nasser that year.
Some might cry "fix," but the pictures tell the tale. Nasser's best shot at winning was in '97. Even then, I don't think he deserved the overall victory.
'Course, I'm one of those guys who thinks Ronnie should've won his 9th Olympia in 2006. Even with Ronster's injuries, he owned Jay overall.
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Sandows:
Yates 6 (Undefeated)
Nasser 0
/thread
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All the Coleman nut-huggers seriously should check this out. Unreal.
and yet he still doesn't come close to an in shape ronnie :P
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Sandows:
Yates 6 (Undefeated)
Nasser 0
/thread
Deserved Sandows:
Yates 3 (max)
Nasser 3 (at least)
8)
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Deserved Sandows:
Yates 3 (max)
Nasser 3 (at least)
8)
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GOD
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and yet he still doesn't come close to an in shape ronnie :P
They will say that in each of the two comparisons of side chest and front relaxed Dorian is really winning because he's holding the poses "correctly" whereas Ronnie is tensing in the front relaxed and not twisted enough in the side chest. ::)
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and yet he still doesn't come close to an in shape ronnie :P
LOL, it's been said a million times before that Ronnie Coleman at his best is more aesthetic than Dorian Yates, but I'm afraid that is where it ends sonny jim. Just look at the thickness of Yates' chest in the picture you posted. His chest almost touches his chin in that pose while Coleman's chest looks to be as flat as pancake in comparison. Also, Yates' legs are thicker in the side chest pose.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453720;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453719;image)
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sorry but there never really has been a comparison.
from the back sure.
but not from the front. dorian was nothing special from the front. even nasser has him.
but an in shape ronnie has them both:
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They will say that in each of the two comparisons of side chest and front relaxed Dorian is really winning because he's holding the poses "correctly" whereas Ronnie is tensing in the front relaxed and not twisted enough in the side chest. ::)
Wrong as usual , Dorian wins the two comparisons because he's hitting the pose correctly AND he has superior balance AND proportion AND density AND dryness AND muscular bulk
Not only because he knows how to pose. Follow the bouncing ball if you can.
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Wrong as usual , Dorian wins the two comparisons because he's hitting the pose correctly AND he has superior balance AND proportion AND density AND dryness AND muscular bulk
Not only because he knows how to pose. Follow the bouncing ball if you can.
Despite me raising this issue several times you've never answered (that I've noticed) the question - who/what determines what the "correct" way of posing is?? Is it written somewhere? Or just an unwritten assumed rule? Who has confirmed what the "correct" way of doing a side chest is for example, or front relaxed, etc.
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Despite me raising this issue several times you've never answered (that I've noticed) the question - who/what determines what the "correct" way of posing is?? Is it written somewhere? Or just an unwritten assumed rule? Who has confirmed what the "correct" way of doing a side chest is for example, or front relaxed, etc.
Oh nos I'm scared to answer Bobs questions ::) give me a break I just started rereading this thread and noticed you were trolling in it. And you refuse to answer anything and yet are looking for answers ::)
The correct way to pose is technically to pose the most effectively while hiding your weaknesses ( if possible ) and yes there is a correct way of posing ( thanks again for acknowledging you don't know how contests are judged ;) yet and say with confidence who is winning a shot )
DESCRIPTION OF THE QUARTER TURNS
The following is a detailed description of the four quarter turns, which shall be initiated from the front-facing position:
Quarter Turn Right:
Relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, left arm hanging relaxed and slightly back from the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the direction of the body, hand slightly cupped, right arm hanging relaxed and slightly front of the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the body, hand slightly cupped. The positioning of the arms will cause the upper body to twist slightly to the left, with the left shoulder lowered and the right shoulder raised. This is normal and must not be exaggerated. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Back:
Facing the back of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Right:
Relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, right arm hanging relaxed and slightly back from the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the direction of the body, hand slightly cupped, left arm hanging relaxed and slightly front of the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the body, hand slightly cupped. The positioning of the arms will cause the upper body to twist slightly to the right, with the right shoulder lowered and the left shoulder raised. This is normal and must not be exaggerated. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Front:
Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
APPENDIX B to the EECT TECHNICAL RULES
DESCRIPTION OF THE SEVEN COMPULSORY POSES FOR MEN
Front Double Biceps
Standing facing the judges, with legs a short distance apart, the competitor will raise both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows. The hands should be clenched and turned down. This will cause the biceps and forearm muscles to contract, which are the main muscle groups to be assessed in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt to contract as many muscles as possible because the judges will be surveying the whole physique. When assessing a competitors physique, a judge should follow a routine procedure that will allow a comprehensive assessment of the physique as a whole. In the compulsory poses, he or she should first look at the primary muscle group being displayed. The judge should survey the whole of the physique, starting from the head and looking at every part in a downward sequence, beginning with general impressions, looking for muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density, and definition. The downward survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in, abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves, and feet. The same procedure for back poses will also take in upper and lower trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spina, the gluteus group, leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups can be made during the comparisons when it helps the judge to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still bearing in mind overall balanced development.
Front Lat Spread
Standing facing the judges, with feet a short distance apart, the competitor will place the hands, preferably clenched, against the lower waist and will expand the latissimus muscles. At the same time, the competitor should attempt to contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. The judge should first see whether the competitor can show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should continue with the head to feet survey as in the first pose, noting first the general aspects and then concentrating on the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
Back Double Biceps
The competitor will stand with his back to the judges; he will bend the arms and wrists as in the front double biceps and will place one foot back resting on the toes. He will contract the arm muscles as well as the muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh, and calf muscles. The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then survey the head to feet, during which there are more muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses, including: neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm, trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will help to determine the quality of the competitors muscle density and definition and overall balance.
Back Lat Spread
The competitor will stand with his back to the judges and place his hands on his waist with the elbows kept wide, one foot back resting on the toes. He will then contract the latissimus dorsi as widely as possible and display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the rear toes. The judges will look for a good spread of the latissimus dorsi but also for good muscle density and will again conclude with the head to feet survey.
Side Triceps
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is showing the judges his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges and will place both arms behind his back. He can either link his fingers or grasp the front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will exert pressure against his front arm thereby causing the triceps muscle to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the abdominal muscle as well as the thigh and calf muscles. The judge will first survey the triceps display and then conclude with the head to foot examination.
In this pose and the side chest pose, the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will help him to grade their comparative development more accurately.
Abdominals and Thighs
Standing facing the judges, the competitor will place both arms behind the head and place one leg forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by crunching the trunk slightly forward. At the same time, he will contract the thigh muscles in the forward leg. The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles and then conclude with the head to foot examination. The importance of theses comparisons cannot be over emphasized. These will help the judge in deciding which competitor has the superior physique from the aspects of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density, and definition.
These are among the reasons Dorian DOMINATED everyone and no one ever came close. Nasser didn't beat Dorian in ANY POSE in 1995 AT ALL , 1995 Mr Olympia was one of the most dominate performances of any Mr Olympia in the history of the sport , it ranks along 1993.
Dorian was superior according to that criteria in every way shape and form over everyone Nasser was a very distant 3rd and lucky to be compared to Dorian.
Please feel free to dismiss these facts and just keep contradicting them as usual you have a long history of it.
Again if you don't know how contests are judged then how can you come to an intelligent , cognizant opinion on who is winning? YOU CAN'T
Like Hulkster I like the way my hero looks better so he should win ::)
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LOL, it's been said a million times before that Ronnie Coleman at his best is more aesthetic than Dorian Yates, but I'm afraid that is where it ends sonny jim. Just look at the thickness of Yates' chest in the picture you posted. His chest almost touches his chin in that pose while Coleman's chest looks to be as flat as pancake in comparison. Also, Yates' legs are thicker in the side chest pose.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453720;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453719;image)
His conditioning shits on Ronnie's especially 99 , Dorian more complete , less flaws , better balance , better pose , much better conditioning.
No contest
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Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
One of these guys is doing the pose correctly and one isn't , you do the math.
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Front Lat Spread
Standing facing the judges, with feet a short distance apart, the competitor will place the hands, preferably clenched, against the lower waist and will expand the latissimus muscles. At the same time, the competitor should attempt to contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. The judge should first see whether the competitor can show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should continue with the head to feet survey as in the first pose, noting first the general aspects and then concentrating on the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
So nowhere does it specify or even suggest that the abs should not be flexed in the front relaxed on the contrary it says the competitor should attempt to contract as many of the frontal muscles as possible.
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Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
One of these guys is doing the pose correctly and one isn't , you do the math.
They both are doing it in a way that falls within the instructions you posted, except the one in the darker blue trunks looks much better while doing it ;)
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His conditioning shits on Ronnie's especially 99 , Dorian more complete , less flaws , better balance , better pose , much better conditioning.
No contest
Sometimes I wonder if you even believe what you are saying.
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So nowhere does it specify or even suggest that the abs should not be flexed in the front relaxed on the contrary it says the competitor should attempt to contract as many of the frontal muscles as possible.
Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
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Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
I quoted the Front Lat Spread definition and that's the pose I was discussing (since Nasser would get cricized for flexing his abs in it, and earlier someone said that Dorian would not flex his arms or chest during the FLS) and you're replying with something bolded on the Front Relaxed definition?
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Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Haha, Nasser owned.
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They both are doing it in a way that falls within the instructions you posted, except the one in the darker blue trunks looks much better while doing it ;)
Try again
Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
Part of the reason Dorian crushes him from the side , Yates had a deep huge rib cage.
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I quoted the Front Lat Spread definition and that's the pose I was discussing (since Nasser would get cricized for flexing his abs in it, and earlier someone said that Dorian would not flex his arms or chest during the FLS) and you're replying with something bolded on the Front Relaxed definition?
I know what you quoted , this was what you typed.
So nowhere does it specify or even suggest that the abs should not be flexed in the front relaxed
FRONT RELAXED
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Sometimes I wonder if you even believe what you are saying.
The irony of that statement ::)
There difference between you and I is , I've pretty much proven what I've been saying ;)
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I know what you quoted , this was what you typed.
So nowhere does it specify or even suggest that the abs should not be flexed in the front relaxed
FRONT RELAXED
lol I was discussing the front lat spread, i entered "front relaxed" as a typo now will you answer the question where does it say you should not flex your abs in the front lat spread on the contrary it says you should flex the front muscles, something which Dorian either did not do or appeared not to do since his chest, delts and arms muscles looked smooth as a baby's butt from the front angle.
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lol I was discussing the front lat spread, i entered "front relaxed" as a typo now will you answer the question where does it say you should not flex your abs in the front lat spread on the contrary it says you should flex the front muscles, something which Dorian either did not do or appeared not to do since his chest, delts and arms muscles looked smooth as a baby's butt from the front angle.
He does it in the front relaxed as well
Nasser can flex his abs all he wants in the front latspread , it's not helping his shot in my opinion , detracts from his lats detracts from the v-taper. Then again he doesn't have the lats of Yates he has to try and show something else.
Dorian looks smooth , was he? ;) Dorian's density & dryness are LEGENDARY and he dominated this contest in grand fashion
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He does it in the front relaxed as well
True but I don't think there's anyone who doesn't flex at all in the front relaxed either, especially the lats and quads.
Dorian looks smooth , was he? ;) Dorian's density & dryness are LEGENDARY and he dominated this contest in grand fashion
Not from all angles/bodyparts, but are you seriously going to tell me in the front relaxed and front lat spread that Dorian's delts, arms and chest did not look smooth? Iceman at least agreed (somewhat) to this earlier.
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True but I don't think there's anyone who doesn't flex at all in the front relaxed either, especially the lats and quads.
Not from all angles/bodyparts, but are you seriously going to tell me in the front relaxed and front lat spread that Dorian's delts, arms and chest did not look smooth? Iceman at least agreed (somewhat) to this earlier.
Again look smooth or is smooth? maybe because he's not flexing like Nasser? you think because they look smooth they are? are you claiming he's holding water in these areas?
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Again look smooth or is smooth? maybe because he's not flexing like Nasser? you think because they look smooth they are? are you claiming he's holding water in these areas?
I don't buy the not-flexing part, because "upright" MM pose he obviously is flexing and his arms/delts still have the same look. Not saying he's holding water but the whole "grainy, carved from stone" etc. is over-hyping it when certain bodyparts look smooth in some mandatories like that.
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I don't buy the not-flexing part, because "upright" MM pose he obviously is flexing and his arms/delts still have the same look. Not saying he's holding water but the whole "grainy, carved from stone" etc. is over-hyping it when certain bodyparts look smooth in some mandatories like that.
And you're basing this on photos when the people who claim he was grainy and carved from stone seen him live and in the flesh
still look smooth? he's flexing here
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he looks smooth compared to this..ronnie crushes dorian in pose after pose after pose..
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Dorian looks smooth , was he? Dorian's density & dryness are LEGENDARY and he dominated this contest in grand fashion
except in 1994,1996 and 1997 where the controversy over his 'winning' is legendary.. :-X
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THAT'S REAL MUSCLE!
NO BABY MUSCLE I.E. HEATH/CUTLER
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453734;image)
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and yet he still doesn't come close to an in shape ronnie :P
Im impressed Hulkster, you waited for Dorian's version of you to bring Ronnie up before you went on the offensive and brought him into a Dorian thread.
Impressive. Youre maturing.
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So nowhere does it specify or even suggest that the abs should not be flexed in the front relaxed on the contrary it says the competitor should attempt to contract as many of the frontal muscles as possible.
Front Lat Spread<----Good job, savage powers of observation there bobs
Standing facing the judges, with feet a short distance apart, the competitor will place the hands, preferably clenched, against the lower waist and will expand the latissimus muscles. At the same time, the competitor should attempt to contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. The judge should first see whether the competitor can show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should continue with the head to feet survey as in the first pose, noting first the general aspects and then concentrating on the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
Idiot, way to quote the FLS and not the front relaxed because it shows Nasser is hitting the pose not only WRONG, but in a way that he should be warned of doing it incorrectly. But Im sure your whole "politics" cry wont be valid when Nasser is the one on the recieving end, right?
Quarter Turn Front:
Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
::) ::) ::)
And dont give me that bullshit about "I was talking about this", you were clearly talking about the Front Relaxed as that was what the whole fucking argument was about. Jesus Christ.
Waiting for you to spin how Nasser isnt hitting the pose wrong as fuck.
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he looks smooth compared to this..ronnie crushes dorian in pose after pose after pose..
In fairness, Ronnie's era was filmed and photographed in digital/HD. I believe most of his Olympia reign was captured in high quality photos versus old film Dorian was captured in.
However, both were awesome and it's moot to debate who was better.
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ronnie crushes all when he is 'on' 8)
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In fairness, Ronnie's era was filmed and photographed in digital/HD. I believe most of his Olympia reign was captured in high quality photos versus old film Dorian was captured in.
lol, digital still hasn't caught up to film in terms of resolution. Case in point: Baraka was filmed in 1992 using 70 mm film. The blu-ray was made from an 8k transfer (1080p is about 2k) and it looks better than blu-rays for present-day movies filmed with digital cameras. The problem isn't with the original source - the problem is with the technology and media used to distribute it. I guarantee if you used a high resolution scanner on the stock film from Dorian's reign and didn't compress the file size, it would look better than digital pics
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ronnie crushes all when he is 'on' 8)
Honestly I never liked either's build but if you want a freak then Ronnie blows Dorian away. Why would Dorian be better? Because he's dryer? He had one arm!! From the front Yates was nothing special, many, many guys were better. He had a great back, that's it. The black and white photos were great but he never duplicated that or put it on stage for that matter. Yeah if you follow the judging criteria, Yates won. I just know what my eyes tell me, Ronnie pisses all over Yates. What does everyone else want to go by, the criteria the judges use? Thats given us a 4-time O in Jay Cutler and 2 AC Classic's to Branch! Gimme a break
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In fairness, Ronnie's era was filmed and photographed in digital/HD. I believe most of his Olympia reign was captured in high quality photos versus old film Dorian was captured in.
However, both were awesome and it's moot to debate who was better.
The digital quality of recordings for Dorian and Ronnie are pretty much the same. I have the 1992 Mr. Olympia DVD and the quality is as good as any of Ronnie's Mr. Olympias on DVD. Just look at the quality in these pics. These are some of the best DVD pics I've seen.
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The digital quality of recordings for Dorian and Ronnie are pretty much the same. I have the 1992 Mr. Olympia DVD and the quality is as good as any of Ronnie's Mr. Olympias on DVD. Just look at the quality in these pics. These are some of the best DVD pics I've seen.
I noticed that -the screencaps you post from the old films are fucking incredible.
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wtf how do you figure he's "destroying" Nasser in that pose? Yates looks smaller and less detailed and striated there. As for upper quads, it's because Nasser's are blackened out mostly by the lighting. How about compare quads in a pic which shows both of their quads in full and without blacked-out lighting like this one:
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
nasser's quads were bigger, harder, more detailed, thicker, more symmetrical (left/right), and, better shaped than dorian's..
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nasser's quads were bigger, harder, more detailed, thicker, more symmetrical (left/right), and, better shaped than dorian's..
Dont think anyone would argue.
I prefer Dorian's legs overall, Dorian has a shorter torso which makes for a longer better looking overall leg IMHO.
But yeah, Nasser's quads were better separated, more classic shape, and in 97 were wider (sweep)
95 sweep was about the same.
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Shockwave and EspenG, you'll rarely find two people hitting a pose EXACTLY the same way, but that doesn't mean one can't consider who looks better. Ironically, if Dorian looks better in a pose which he's hitting differently the responses are "Nasser can't even hit the pose right so Dorian wins this shot" and when Nasser looks better in a pose where him and Dorian are hitting it differently the response is "Nasser isn't hitting the pose correctly, if he was hitting it the same way as Dorian he may not look as good." Do you see the double standard?
Is there really a "correct" way to hit each pose? Where are the directions documented as to what the "correct" ways are? Is it just assumed that the way the 70's bb'ers held certainposes are the "correct" ways?
doran himself said that nasser was better than him in the FR in 97!!..
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doran himself said that nasser was better than him in the FR in 97!!..
And Nasser's Mom said that she was better than Dorian's Mom. Your IQ is single digits. Cretinism?
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And Nasser's Mom said that she was better than Dorian's Mom. Your IQ is single digits. Cretinism?
dorian's fans were arguing he was better than nasser in the FR pose stupid so i said dorian himself didnt see him better than nasser in this pose!!.. so what is your point :-\
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dorian's fans were arguing he was better than nasser in the FR pose stupid so i said dorian himself didnt see him better than nasser in this pose!!.. so what is your point :-\
Discussing 95 Sherief, no where did 97 come up. Lol.
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dorian's fans were arguing he was better than nasser in the FR pose stupid so i said dorian himself didnt see him better than nasser in this pose!!.. so what is your point :-\
and I thought I was creepy with kevin, homo ::)
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Discussing 95 Sherief, no where did 97 come up. Lol.
it was the pose in general wave :P
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Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
One of these guys is doing the pose correctly and one isn't , you do the math.
Vince did hit the side chest like this a lot:
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:o :o :o :o
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no oil in yates tho sonny jim
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Nobody touches this.Carved from granite.
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lol, digital still hasn't caught up to film in terms of resolution. Case in point: Baraka was filmed in 1992 using 70 mm film. The blu-ray was made from an 8k transfer (1080p is about 2k) and it looks better than blu-rays for present-day movies filmed with digital cameras. The problem isn't with the original source - the problem is with the technology and media used to distribute it. I guarantee if you used a high resolution scanner on the stock film from Dorian's reign and didn't compress the file size, it would look better than digital pics
Uh yeah but Dorian was probably filmed on VIDEO TAPE not actual film. And you would have to scan the photo negatives, not images from old mags, to get the resolution in photos.
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carved from iron :o
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In fairness, Ronnie's era was filmed and photographed in digital/HD. I believe most of his Olympia reign was captured in high quality photos versus old film Dorian was captured in.
in fairness, dorian's physique was just not as good as a peak ronnie.
the film had nothing to do with it. 8)
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Vince did hit the side chest like this a lot:
No he did it correctly
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carved from iron :o
Craved from marshmellow , keep posting front pics ;)
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Uh yeah but Dorian was probably filmed on VIDEO TAPE not actual film. And you would have to scan the photo negatives, not images from old mags, to get the resolution in photos.
I don't know about that. Iceman posted screencaps from the 92 Mr. Olympia DVD that looked pretty damn good. I doubt it was filmed on video tape otherwise it would still look like crap. Also, the stock film I was referring to are the original negatives (or positives, I'm not sure how that works since negatives are dark). I wasn't talking about old magazine pics, lol
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lol at those who say dorian was taking more space from the side than nasser ::)
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No he did it correctly
nasser hits it good in this shot!!..
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lol at those who say dorian was taking more space from the side than nasser ::)
Notice the difference in head size?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453806;image)
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lol at those who say dorian was taking more space from the side than nasser ::)
Lol @ 96 - Dorian's smallest most overdieted showing.
Besides - we know Nasser was DQ'd for cheating so its a mute point anyway. ;D
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nasser hits it good in this shot!!..
Good ? sure correctly? NO
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lol at those who say dorian was taking more space from the side than nasser ::)
Pay attention , it doesn't matter is Dorian was smaller , Shawn was smaller and he kicked Nasser's 285lb ass .
Dorian looks comparable in terms of size even though Nasser isn't doing the pose correctly.
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Lol @ 96 - Dorian's smallest most overdieted showing.
Besides - we know Nasser was DQ'd for cheating so its a mute point anyway. ;D
Lets say the cheater didn't get DQ'ed he still placed behind Shawn Ray nevermind Dorian 8) mute point again ;D
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
You obviously haven't seen him in real life, trust me some picture capture a fraction of his grainyness and granite like and transparent skin but most don't, till this day no one has come close, in person he is granite like and see through skin night and day from the rest of the field, if you have never seen him in person, you will never understand as you don't right now.
Another bodybuilder that has freaky thin skin texture in person, wow factor, is Pavol Jablonicky, again if you have never seen him in real life you won't understand, only one that comes close but still Dorian way more Grainy
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Notice the difference in head size?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453806;image)
because nasser's mind is better/bigger so needs more space to work in ;D
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You obviously haven't seen him in real life, trust me some picture capture a fraction of his grainyness and granite like and transparent skin but most don't, till this day no one has come close, in person he is granite like and see through skin night and day from the rest of the field, if you have never seen him in person, you will never understand as you don't right now.
Another bodybuilder that has freaky thin skin texture in person, wow factor, is Pavol Jablonicky, again if you have never seen him in real life you won't understand, only one that comes close but still Dorian way more Grainy
yes dorian in real life was something else.. beside the fact he was carved from stones,.. he was 10 dimensional and was throwing fire balls from his mouth ::)
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yes dorian in real life was something else.. beside the fact he was carved from stones,.. he was 10 dimensional and was throwing fire balls from his mouth ::)
You mad bro? mad that Nasser couldn't measure up? Yes Dorian really was that good his record proves this , Nasser 6 wins in 53 tries :-\
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because nasser's mind is better/bigger so needs more space to work in ;D
Nasser's mind wasn't to big because he couldn't figure out how to get a pro level back
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yes dorian in real life was something else.. beside the fact he was carved from stones,.. he was 10 dimensional and was throwing fire balls from his mouth ::)
Just saying it how it is, :'( I understand the truth hurts :'(
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yes dorian in real life was something else.. beside the fact he was carved from stones,.. he was 10 dimensional and was throwing fire balls from his mouth ::)
Well, when almost every person who's seen him compete says the same thing, kinda says something.
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Well, when almost every person who's seen him compete says the same thing, kinda says something.
It's absolutely true. Saw him at the '96 Olympia, guest pose at 300lbs in Boston, and once signing autographs at the NOC. The best shot that shows this 3d thickness is the MM from the side that gets posted occasionally.
And I also admit that he can look awful/smooth and even skinny in some of his pics. It was anything but the case. I don't know why people ignore the write up that happened from multiple people who attended these events, but choose to draw their opinon on crappy Muscletime shots (which I think can be unflattering to ALL bodybuilders, not just Yates.)
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It's absolutely true. Saw him at the '96 Olympia, guest pose at 300lbs in Boston, and once signing autographs at the NOC. The best shot that shows this 3d thickness is the MM from the side that gets posted occasionally.
And I also admit that he can look awful/smooth and even skinny in some of his pics. It was anything but the case. I don't know why people ignore the write up that happened from multiple people who attended these events, but choose to draw their opinon on crappy Muscletime shots (which I think can be unflattering to ALL bodybuilders, not just Yates.)
These clowns will never understand, a 2 dimentional picture holds stuff back, everyone has said this about Dorian, thousands of people, yet sherief's infatuation with Nasser has made not believe this,
Question Sherief and be as honest as possible, have some class for once,
for every 100 people that say Dorian looked way different in person, granite like, how many say that about Nasser?
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if you watch any of the video tapes of the olympias dorian you can see it there also,more than in pics in magazines,dorian in person just looks way better than everybody else.
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this thread always grinds the poor guy's gears..bwahahahahaa:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
Of course directly.
And I have seen him competing directly 1994 and 1996.
And I say
Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.
a fellow getbigger who has seen both ronnie and dorian compete many times...
and he says Ronnie was far above the Keg. LOL
nuthuggers on suicide watch now!
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These clowns will never understand, a 2 dimentional picture holds stuff back, everyone has said this about Dorian, thousands of people, yet sherief's infatuation with Nasser has made not believe this,
Question Sherief and be as honest as possible, have some class for once,
for every 100 people that say Dorian looked way different in person, granite like, how many say that about Nasser?
There actually are many people who did watch the 96 and 97 Olympias and feel Yates was overrated in winning those shows, several have posted it on getbig, even several pros have said so, including Flex Wheeler.
I think the reason more people say "You had to have seen Dorian in person" vs. other bodybuilders is largely because Dorian won and since the pictures story there needs to be some explanation given.
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Pay attention , it doesn't matter is Dorian was smaller , Shawn was smaller and he kicked Nasser's 285lb ass .
Dorian looks comparable in terms of size even though Nasser isn't doing the pose correctly.
No he does not look comparable in size in that shot! AND specifically that shot is being discussed because you've often said Nasser looks "flat as a pancake" from the side.
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Idiot, way to quote the FLS and not the front relaxed because it shows Nasser is hitting the pose not only WRONG, but in a way that he should be warned of doing it incorrectly. But Im sure your whole "politics" cry wont be valid when Nasser is the one on the recieving end, right? ::) ::) ::)
And dont give me that bullshit about "I was talking about this", you were clearly talking about the Front Relaxed as that was what the whole fucking argument was about. Jesus Christ.
Waiting for you to spin how Nasser isnt hitting the pose wrong as fuck.
I was talking about the front lat spread, but even in discussing the front relaxed later like I said no bodybuilder is flexing nothing in that pose, everyone at a minimum is flexing their lats and quads, many are also tensing their arms and abs.
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"You had to have seen Dorian in person" = sad excuse for poor judging. :-\
show below,
dorian displaying his trademark smoothness and lack of cuts from the front..at least in his post tear form 8)
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Gret pics Sherief, it's beyond me how anyone can say the guy on the right is winning this pose
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453761;image)
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Gret pics Sherief, it's beyond me how anyone can say the guy on the right is winning this pose
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453761;image)
same here LOL
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oh boy.. ;D
dorian needed to hit his arms and delts more than once a month 8)
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Let the hate keep flowing guys, no matter what you do, doesnt change the fact that Dorian wiped the floor with Nasser every time they competed.
And Hulkster, you havent changed your schtik in almost 8 years, dont you think its time for some new material?
Its old, and tired, and no one even pays attention to you anymore. Lol.
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Nasser is crunching his torso down.
You're suppose to expand your rib cage like Yates is doing.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453806;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=314832.0;attach=355420;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/55/images/bertil_fox_photo165.jpg)
In fact, you're suppose to expand your rib cage in nearly all poses. Look how the old school guys do it properly. Yates was a perfect poser.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/mahler109_c.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/mahler109_b.jpg)
(http://www.muscle-build.com/images/steve-reeves.jpg)
(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v190/47/3/608192568/n608192568_490848_8736.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=253640.0;attach=294599;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/155/images/Reg_Park_photo95.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/155/images/Reg_Park_photo57.jpg)
Nasser was a terrible poser. Not to mention he injected SYNTHOL intho his muscles. That alone disqualifies him from ever being a Mr. Olympia, let alone one of the greats. Using SYNTHOL is as pathetic as it gets. It's a disgrace and a slap to the face of bodybuilding.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/drobson317m.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/NasserElSonbaty_4464.jpg)
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THIS IS HOW YOU POSE
ALL REAL MUSCLE
NO SYNTHOL
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/Romulus32/1995preolympiayates.jpg)
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Gret pics Sherief, it's beyond me how anyone can say the guy on the right is winning this pose
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453761;image)
Easily , superior posing AND presentation , density AND dryness AND balance AND proportion AND muscular bulk , that's how.
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No he does not look comparable in size in that shot! AND specifically that shot is being discussed because you've often said Nasser looks "flat as a pancake" from the side.
He absolutely does and it wouldn't matter if he didn't because Shawn kicked his ass in this contest. And I don't say flat I say he's not the same dominate force from the side and the shot proves my point.
Dorian is 30lbs lighter and looks the same size ;)
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There actually are many people who did watch the 96 and 97 Olympias and feel Yates was overrated in winning those shows, several have posted it on getbig, even several pros have said so, including Flex Wheeler.
I think the reason more people say "You had to have seen Dorian in person" vs. other bodybuilders is largely because Dorian won and since the pictures story there needs to be some explanation given.
Yeah they're all like you , clueless on how contests are judged.
Pictures need no explanation Dorian destroys him , you cling to the poses you THINK Nasser is winning or in the case of 97 he did win and then claim an ignorant victory
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oh boy.. ;D
dorian needed to hit his arms and delts more than once a month 8)
Honest question, H:
Why do you turn every Dorian-related thread into a comparison with Ronnie? If Ronnie is the GOAT (which I think he is in at least some respects), that speaks for itself. Interrupting every other comparison of Yates with "oh, Ronnie's even better" is ... well, curious.
FWIW, Doz stacks up very well with Ronnie in that pic. Ronnie's biceps look better, naturally, but the two men aren't even hitting the pose in the same way. Dorian is emphasizing his pec thickness, scapula slightly retracted, while Ronnie is crunching down to bring out as much size in his delts and arms as possible.
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and yet he still doesn't come close to an in shape ronnie :P
Given the cherry-picked examples you posted, no, Dorian doesn't come close to prime Ronnie. As a matter of fact, that '95 Olympia side-chest shot of Doz beats Ronster with room to spare. Ronnie had some of the best pecs of all-time, but just look at how Yates' chest was at least as striated with deep cuts from sternum to clavicles. Moreover, Yates executes the pose in the more classic sense. Ronnie is doing the pose as Arnold chided Franco: "Vhad ist dis bullshidt? No, not frondt chest, Franco, SIDE! Yah, tings chancge a vwiddle bid vwhen you turn do de side, ha ha ha."
Front relaxed? Oh, Ronnie in the '01 ASC takes that, and then some. But then, to reduce a contest to "best front relaxed" is kind of chickenshit, nay?
In both their primes, Ronnie/Dorian would have been VERY close. People who pretend otherwise need to take the next shuttle to Mars, Sedna or whatever the fuck, because their brains are already as far removed from Earth as your healthy local schizo :)
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Nasswer looked like this at every show, this is his best ::) band aid and all.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/NasserElSonbaty_4464.jpg)
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Nasswer looked like this at every show, this is his best ::) band aid and all.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/NasserElSonbaty_4464.jpg)
No pun intended, what with the Band-Aid and all, but "Ouch!" :D
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yes dorian in real life was something else.. beside the fact he was carved from stones,.. he was 10 dimensional and was throwing fire balls from his mouth ::)
shut your sand filled mouth! i saw Yates in 91 and 95 Olympias. what others say and ill say it again, Yates just looked like marble. period over and out.
the photos do not capture Yates as he looked for real in front of you. thats all there is to it.
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"You had to have seen Dorian in person" = sad excuse for poor judging. :-\
show below,
dorian displaying his trademark smoothness and lack of cuts from the front..at least in his post tear form 8)
these pic are horrid. watch the vid of this show (96 english or geman g.p.) stop posting the shit photos.
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Ronnie doesn't beat this , Nasser doesn't beat this , few do
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Ronnie doesn't beat this , Nasser doesn't beat this , few do
Holy shit.
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Ronnie doesn't beat this , Nasser doesn't beat this , few do
uh no.
Ronnie kills it. way better arms, chest, delts, quads, hams.
hell, look at the traps on ronnie. dorian has none in comparison. embarassing.
even his missing bi is apparent in that pose. look at the left arm. its pathetic.
striations everywhere with better shape to boot. full round muscle bellies.
dorian does win the pose from the knees down, but what else is new..
thanks for posting that ND. please post more like this. its great!
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Honest question, H:
Why do you turn every Dorian-related thread into a comparison with Ronnie? If Ronnie is the GOAT (which I think he is in at least some respects), that speaks for itself. Interrupting every other comparison of Yates with "oh, Ronnie's even better" is ... well, curious.
FWIW, Doz stacks up very well with Ronnie in that pic. Ronnie's biceps look better, naturally, but the two men aren't even hitting the pose in the same way. Dorian is emphasizing his pec thickness, scapula slightly retracted, while Ronnie is crunching down to bring out as much size in his delts and arms as possible.
sorry bud, but I didn't start any of this.
the nuthuggers started the whole ronnie dorian thing way back on page 1.
All the Coleman nut-huggers seriously should check this out. Unreal.
we did. and yates loses AGAIN :P
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yates doesnt look bigger than levrone here because his size is concentrated on his back which cannot be seen in this shot!!..
at his best dorian was a phenomenal bb but still his back kinda overpowered the rest of him.. his chest/shoulders/arms were smaller than many guys who were much lighter than him!!..
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so nasser's quads fuck dorian's in shots like this only in size, shape, symmetry, and, thickness but if i had seen them in real life i would have seen dorian's better ::)..
so after all those who saw dorian on stage die there will be no proof of dorian's real greatness :-X
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dont be deceived by this shot which shows nasser more grainy.. thicker.. bigger.. more detailed.. better shaped.. than dorian because in real life it was the opposite!!.. :-X
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in real life dorian's left biceps was not torn :-X
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dont be deceived by this shot which shows nasser more grainy.. thicker.. bigger.. more detailed.. better shaped.. than dorian because in real life it was the opposite!!.. :-X
IN REAL LIFE DORIAN YATES WON 6 SANDOWS
NASSER WON ZERO (0)
/thread
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rare pic. of dorian as he was seen in real life by his
dick lovers..
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I just finish reviewing Nasser's training video Nasser On The Way part 1. He looks pretty good. I'll post the pics next week. Here is a pic from the video.
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:o
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I just finish reviewing Nasser's training video Nasser On The Way part 1. He looks pretty good. I'll post the pics next week. Here is a pic from the video.
iceman you are heartless :'(... cant wait till next week >:(
thx for your great work bro. :P
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iceman you are heartless :'(... cant wait till next week >:(
thx for your great work bro. :P
LOL, I posted this one a few days ago.
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IN REAL LIFE.... ;D
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he looks smooth compared to this..ronnie crushes dorian in pose after pose after pose..
Yes.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453940;image)
guts wider than shoulder
:-X :-X :-X :-X
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IN REAL LIFE.... ;D
;D
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in pictures:
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in real life:
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oh wait... 8)
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oh wait... 8)
IN REAL LIFE... :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298377.0;attach=339595;image)
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IN REAL LIFE DORIAN YATES WON 6 SANDOWS
NASSER WON ZERO (0)
/thread
Case closed. 8)
real life Nasser got his ass handed to him , real life Ronnie never came close and even after he started winning contests he conceded that he couldn't touch Dorian in his prime.
real life Dorian the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the IFBB 8)
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I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned about Nasser having one lat higher than the other in this comparison. His back was probably the weakest in the competition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453761;image)
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I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned about Nasser having one lat higher than the other in this comparison. His back was probably the weakest in the competition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=453761;image)
Not probably, it was the weakest in the top 10 in almost every 0 He competed in.
Only one that rivaled him in the bad back department was Dillet.
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Not probably, it was the weakest in the top 10 in almost every 0 He competed in.
Only one that rivaled him in the bad back department was Dillet.
Dillett's and Nasser's back were close. I cant say who had the weakest back LOL.
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Dillett's and Nasser's back were close. I cant say who had the weakest back LOL.
hey, man, do you have nasser's on the way dvd part 4-7?
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Dillett's and Nasser's back were close. I cant say who had the weakest back LOL.
Dilletts was worse
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Nasser doesn't beat this, Ronnie doesn't beat this
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Dorian was better due to some un-explainable unseen magic that you had to witness.
and then ND claims atheist.
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Dorian was better due to some un-explainable unseen magic that you had to witness.
and then ND claims atheist.
Wrong as usual. And please show me where I ever claimed Dorian was better because of some ' magic ' ;) Dorian was better because he met the criteria better than everyone he competed with , including Nasser and Ronnie.
Dorian was better because he was , harder , drier , had better balance & proportion , was better at posing & presentation , carried more muscular bulk and was more complete.
Dorian was the most dominate professional bodybuilder in IFBB history. And there was no unseen magic as you claim because he competed on-stage live and in person next to the best of the best and completely destroyed them. The guy never once placed below second place in a professional contest and he only did that twice ;)
Dorian was a winning machine and eons better than your hero , so great in fact that he could be off and still dominate the other guys. I have history and facts to confirm this , you have excuses and made up stories about ' magic ' and ' unseen '
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Nasser doesn't beat this, Ronnie doesn't beat this
sorry but offseason to offseason ronnie still crushes dorian.
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sorry but offseason to offseason ronnie still crushes dorian.
LMFAO keep posting the most muscular over and over and over , Dorian kicks Ronnie's marshmellow ass
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Wrong as usual. And please show me where I ever claimed Dorian was better because of some ' magic ' ;) Dorian was better because he met the criteria better than everyone he competed with , including Nasser and Ronnie.
Dorian was better because he was , harder , drier , had better balance & proportion , was better at posing & presentation , carried more muscular bulk and was more complete.
Dorian was the most dominate professional bodybuilder in IFBB history. And there was no unseen magic as you claim because he competed on-stage live and in person next to the best of the best and completely destroyed them. The guy never once placed below second place in a professional contest and he only did that twice ;)
Dorian was a winning machine and eons better than your hero , so great in fact that he could be off and still dominate the other guys. I have history and facts to confirm this , you have excuses and made up stories about ' magic ' and ' unseen '
Your Dorian fanboyism is appalling.
Coleman was a better bber, not by much, but better in almost everything.
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Wrong as usual. And please show me where I ever claimed Dorian was better because of some ' magic ' ;) Dorian was better because he met the criteria better than everyone he competed with , including Nasser and Ronnie.
Dorian was better because he was , harder , drier , had better balance & proportion , was better at posing & presentation , carried more muscular bulk and was more complete.
Dorian was the most dominate professional bodybuilder in IFBB history. And there was no unseen magic as you claim because he competed on-stage live and in person next to the best of the best and completely destroyed them. The guy never once placed below second place in a professional contest and he only did that twice ;)
Dorian was a winning machine and eons better than your hero , so great in fact that he could be off and still dominate the other guys. I have history and facts to confirm this , you have excuses and made up stories about ' magic ' and ' unseen '
didn't read. it wouldn't have changed my statements truth anyway, no matter how you word it or play semantics
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didn't read. it wouldn't have changed my statements truth anyway, no matter how you word it or play semantics
You read it all and realized as usual you have no cards in this game kid ;)
keep trolling ;D
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You read it all and realized as usual you have no cards in this game kid ;)
keep trolling ;D
yes i read it start to finish
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Nasser doesn't beat this, Ronnie doesn't beat this
Lats as thick as a tree trunk.
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Lats as thick as a tree trunk.
No ones lats are this thick & wide
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Flashback to 2006 - I could have cut and pasted Hulkster's replies out of the truce thread pics and all.
This has been beat to death - this thread needs to go into the truce thread to die.
Sorry Iceman, team- "I hate Dorian cause he beat my hero over and over" has struck again.
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naw, ronnie has back thickness dorian could only dream about.
ronnie's back is much thicker and better overall: even at dorian's self claimed 'best' in 1995..
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ouch. dorian's back being crushed. :o
ps these shots weren't around during the heyday of the truce thread.
good thing for you they weren't. :o
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Flashback to 2006 - I could have cut and pasted Hulkster's replies out of the truce thread pics and all.
This has been beat to death - this thread needs to go into the truce thread to die.
Sorry Iceman, team- "I hate Dorian cause he beat my hero over and over" has struck again.
Does anyone even pay attention to Hulkster anymore? ???
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ouch. dorian's back being crushed. :o
ps these shots weren't around during the heyday of the truce thread.
good thing for you they weren't. :o
You're a pathetic little man.
You've stalked every Dorian Yates thread and interjected your recycled arguements FOR YEARS.
Your kind has no life. You endlessly attack another bodybuilder with great effort. Your existance is pathetic.
I'm embarrassed for you.
This is the face of your kind:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298377.0;attach=339595;image)
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naw, ronnie has back thickness dorian could only dream about.
ronnie's back is much thicker and better overall: even at dorian's self claimed 'best' in 1995..
Ronnie's back doesn't touch this ;)
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ouch. dorian's back being crushed. :o
ps these shots weren't around during the heyday of the truce thread.
good thing for you they weren't. :o
Like I was saying 8) ;)
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sorry but offseason to offseason ronnie still crushes dorian.
I remember seeing this guest posing of Ronnie on TV. I was like WTF when he came out. The hosts for the show kept saying "FREAK FREAK FREAK", LOL. Ronnie was out of this world.
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Crazy fucking off season shots of Yates ND !
WOW!!!
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Flashback to 2006 - I could have cut and pasted Hulkster's replies out of the truce thread pics and all.
This has been beat to death - this thread needs to go into the truce thread to die.
Sorry Iceman, team- "I hate Dorian cause he beat my hero over and over" has struck again.
I'm team Ronnie, but I'm not even debating in this thread. I was the one that posted the scans LOL.
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Does anyone even pay attention to Hulkster anymore? ???
No, no one pays attention to him anymore. He's like their red-headed stepchild... even die hard coleman fans dont want to claim him as their own, he's so retarded.
The funniest thing is how he always follows his post with another pointing to it with some gay little comment patting himself on the back; clearly because no one even reads his posts anymore. He has to do something to validate himself, cause no one else gives a damn, hahaha
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I'm team Ronnie, but I'm not even debating in this thread. I was the one that posted the scans LOL.
I know youre team Ronnie, I was saying Im sorry those fags had to ruin your scans thread, you dont belong to team "Butthurt cause Dorian beat my hero" like Team Nasser, or Hulkster, who is either a sad lonely shut in with no friends, or just has some sort of severe mental problem, lol.
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No, no one pays attention to him anymore. He's like their red-headed stepchild... even die hard coleman fans dont want to claim him as their own, he's so retarded.
The funniest thing is how he always follows his post with another pointing to it with some gay little comment patting himself on the back; clearly because no one even reads his posts anymore. He has to do something to validate himself, cause no one else gives a damn, hahaha
He has something to prove and that was Ronnie really is better , if he truly felt that he wouldn't be trying so hard and he wouldn't be in here.
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Here is another one of Dorian. I think it's from 1991.
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Here is another one of Dorian. I think it's from 1991.
I think so , he had that mullet when he faced Haney :-X
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:D
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Ronnie's back doesn't touch this
sorry, brah :)
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sorry, brah :)
epic fail , bro ;)
keep trying 8)
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ronnie's better. i said so, so that makes it true.
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hmm, let's try this again lol
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454150;image)
ND's bible
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hmm, let's try this again lol
Ronnie already conceded Dorian had the thickest , freakiest back he ever seen.
Again keep trying kid ;)
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Ronnie already conceded Dorian had the thickest , freakiest back he ever seen.
Again keep trying kid ;)
Ronnie has also "never used steroids" Dorian has.
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Ronnie has also "never used steroids" Dorian has.
Ronnie never did use steroids , I don't know what you're talking about.
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Thanks for playing Neo , we have some lovely parting gifts for you ;)
A strong argument can be made for Yates as number one
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Ronnie already conceded Dorian had the thickest , freakiest back he ever seen.
Of course, ronnie cant admire himself at a rear double biceps pose, so Dorian was the best he ever saw ::)
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
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Of course, ronnie cant admire himself at a rear double biceps pose, so Dorian was the best he ever saw ::)
lol yeah he never seen a picture of himself from the back before. ::) ;D ;)
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Ronnie already conceded Dorian had the thickest , freakiest back he ever seen.
lmao, is that all you got? You know you're fighting a losing argument when you have to start quoting a guy who is famous for saying "ain't nothin but a peanut"
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
ND just went on suicide watch
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
Oh Ronnie is right now? he said once again 1998 is his best I'm sure you agree with that ;) epic backfire jackass ;D
Now his back in 1998 at 249lbs is not thicker or better than Dorian at 269lbs , it's just not ,it's not thicker , wider , more detailed or denser.
you can stick 99 Olympia up your ass yet again and if you say Ronnie is right about his back you have to concede the obvious 98 is his best ;)
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ND just went on suicide watch
see above pics . ;)
Lolz Ronnie's back is thicker at 249lbs than Dorians at 269lbs lolz if you believe that
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
Is this really Ronnie's Facebook or is this like Nasser's who is run by Sherief? :-X
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lmao, is that all you got? You know you're fighting a losing argument when you have to start quoting a guy who is famous for saying "ain't nothin but a peanut"
No that's not all I got , miss Flexonline amending their list out right saying strong case can be made for Dorian as number one? ;)
Like I said thanks for playing kid.
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Oh Ronnie is right now? he said once again 1998 is his best I'm sure you agree with that epic backfire jackass
Now his back in 1998 at 249lbs is not thicker or better than Dorian at 269lbs , it's just not ,it's not thicker , wider , more detailed or denser.
you can stick 99 Olympia up your ass yet again and if you say Ronnie is right about his back you have to concede the obvious 98 is his best
epic meltdown
your Bible (Flex magazine) and Ronnie (who you love to quote) both said Dorian has the 2nd best back ever. Face it, you lost ;D
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epic meltdown
your Bible (Flex magazine) and Ronnie (who you love to quote) both said Dorian has the 2nd best back ever. Face it, you lost ;D
oppppsssss nice try ;)
Oh and Ronnie is credible now? two seconds ago his word carried no worth now it does? hypocrite much? How does Samir Bannout feel about who has the better back? Oppppsss forgot about that one too? ;)
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
Ronnie's the same deluded clown that gets on stage to this day looking like an impregnated turd.
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Is this really Ronnie's Facebook or is this like Nasser's who is run by Sherief? :-X
It's Ronnie's. He posts his updates and comments all the time. Especially when he's on the road. All of the updates are his.
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oppppsssss nice try
Oh and Ronnie is credible now? two seconds ago his word carried no worth now it does? hypocrite much? How does Samir Bannout feel about who has the better back? Oppppsss forgot about that one too?
the funny thing is I don't even care what Ronnie says. I already told you, I do not consider him an expert on judging physiques. The only reason I'm quoting him now is b/c I find it hilarious that you wouldn't listen when I said his opinion didn't matter and now it backfired in your face. You bet your ass I'm going to quote him saying he has a better back all the time now ;)
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lmao, is that all you got? You know you're fighting a losing argument when you have to start quoting a guy who is famous for saying "ain't nothin but a peanut"
Thanks for admitting you're fighting a losing argument , LMFAO
Neo = owned as usual ( like I said you always come trolling in these threads and always get your ass handed to you ;) )
Hulkster = owned as usual , Ronnie admitted for a fourth time 1998 was his best ;)
;D I love it.
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the funny thing is I don't even care what Ronnie says. I already told you, I do not consider him an expert on judging physiques. The only reason I'm quoting him now is b/c I find it hilarious that you wouldn't listen when I said his opinion didn't matter and now it backfired in your face. You bet your ass I'm going to quote him saying he has a better back all the time now ;)
See above hypocrite. ;)
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Oh Ronnie is right now? he said once again 1998 is his best I'm sure you agree with that ;) epic backfire jackass ;D
Now his back in 1998 at 249lbs is not thicker or better than Dorian at 269lbs , it's just not ,it's not thicker , wider , more detailed or denser.
you can stick 99 Olympia up your ass yet again and if you say Ronnie is right about his back you have to concede the obvious 98 is his best ;)
Ronnie wasn't referring to the 1998 pic in his facebook that he commented on. He just thinks his back in general was thicker and better.
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Ronnie wasn't referring to the 1998 pic in his facebook that he commented on. He just thinks his back in general was thicker and better.
It may have been thicker when Ronnie was 287lbs compared to a lighter Dorian , but better? where? ???
Dorian 283lbs , honestly Ronnie isn't touching this
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It may have been thicker when Ronnie was 287lbs compared to a lighter Dorian , but better? where?
Dorian 283lbs , honestly Ronnie isn't touching this
sorry but Flex magazine and Ronnie disagree with you
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454149;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454150;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454162;image)
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sorry but Flex magazine and Ronnie disagree with you
Samir Bannout and Flex magazine disagree with you ;)
and thanks again for admitting you're losing the argument when using Ronnie as a reference ;)
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Samir Bannout and Flex magazine disagree with you
learn how to read. Flex didn't outright proclaim Dorian as having the best back in history like they did with Ronnie. All they said was a strong argument can be made for Yates as number one. Keep trying, kid ;)
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learn how to read. Flex didn't outright proclaim Dorian as having the best back in history like they did with Ronnie. All they said was a strong argument can be made for Yates as number one. Keep trying, kid ;)
Yes a strong argument , that means Dorian #1 not a weak argument a strong one.
when your bullshit backfires as usual you cling to your tried & true , semantics.
I don't need Ronnie BTW ;)
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
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oh how the mighty have fallen!!!
after your quotes backfired, you went from using Flex magazine and Ronnie to Markus Ruhl and Samir Bannout as your expert testimony lol
what next? You're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino?
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Thanks for playing Neo , we have some lovely parting gifts for you ;)
A strong argument can be made for Yates as number one
must have been written by fellow Brit Peter McGough.
he always stuck up for his country even when he knew dorian's physique wasn't up to par with peak Ronnie's.
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oh how the mighty have fallen!!!
after your quotes backfired, you went from using Flex magazine and Ronnie to Markus Ruhl and Samir Bannout as your expert testimony lol
what next? You're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino?
hahahaha so awesome
ND has no idea what to do. this is great!
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oh how the mighty have fallen!!!
after your quotes backfired, you went from using Flex magazine and Ronnie to Markus Ruhl and Samir Bannout as your expert testimony lol
what next? You're going to start quoting Gregg Valentino?
Backfire would be saying Ronnie is useless to quote and then trying to use Ronnie ;) hypocrite
And you're the same dummy who posted a quote from ' Ryan Mackie ' on how great Ronnie was lol who the fuck is Ryan Mackie? lmfao
Neo you try hard and fall even harder , I don't need Ronnie you cling to him , Flex magazine said Dorian's back was the best in their Y2K issue when Ronnie was champ , the made that list and amended it saying a strong case can me made for Dorian #1 , I can use Rhul and Samir , and I used pictures as usual you played your hand and came up short. ;)
lol I'm still laughing at your epic backfire , lol you know you're in a losing argument ' when you have to use Ronnie and then you go and use Ronnie LMMFAO ;D
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hahahaha so awesome
ND has no idea what to do. this is great!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
1998 bitches ;D ;)
Hulkster & Neo , two angry birds with one stone 8)
damn I'm good. ;D
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must have been written by fellow Brit Peter McGough.
he always stuck up for his country even when he knew dorian's physique wasn't up to par with peak Ronnie's.
Awwwwww , sorry Charlie it was wriiten by TeamFlex not McGough
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Where 1999 at? ;D
FOUR times Hulkster , 4 times he said 1998 was his best.
I love using your own hero against you and Neo ;D
both of you should have stood out of this thread. just like old times me kicking both your asses in moments.
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LMFAO He says I think 1999 is your best and Ronnie says NO 1998 ;D
I think we now know Hulkster's name Angel Guzman LMFAO
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5 straight posts by NarcissiticDeity
yup, no meltdown at all ::)
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5 straight posts by NarcissiticDeity
yup, no meltdown at all ::)
What else are you gonna say? 8) ' meltdown ' real original ::)
Ryan Mackie LMFAO whose next Greg Valentino? oh wait you actually use him too LMFAO
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lmao, is that all you got? You know you're fighting a losing argument when you have to start quoting a guy who is famous for saying "ain't nothin but a peanut"
sorry but Flex magazine and Ronnie disagree with you
Booommmmmmmmm lol Yeah buddy ;D ;D
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Here is another one of Dorian. I think it's from 1991.
dorian in front of the stones he was curved from lol..
yes this is from 91 from a collection of yates and vinice taylor i think after the olympia where they placed 2nd and 3rd as one of them (yates more) was expected to be the next mr. olympia after haney's retirement!!..
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I almost forgot about this. I was checking out Ronnie's facebook last year and Ronnie says that he has a thicker and better back than Dorian. Open the pic to full size.
lol at the smart guy who asked ronnie "were you to honored of having the best bask"!!!.. what a question ::)
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lmao, is that all you got? You know you're fighting a losing argument when you have to start quoting a guy who is famous for saying "ain't nothin but a peanut"
this is why he is called PARROT!!..
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Here is another one of Dorian. I think it's from 1991.
this is out by the pool of the disney dolphin hotel, 1991 mr olympia
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i know this is not 95 but........
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^^^ here's another from 93. This was taken in his hotel room before the Mr. Olympia
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neo, what are you doing posting good Yates pics
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for dorian boys 8)
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thanks for posting the egg whites flyer pic i posted. still got the flyer too.
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just checking in to make sure ND is still alive after the brutal owning he received last night
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just checking in a pathetic attempt to save face because I got owned again by ND.
No shit ;)
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It may have been thicker when Ronnie was 287lbs compared to a lighter Dorian , but better? where? ???
Dorian 283lbs , honestly Ronnie isn't touching this
This picture is ridiculously cartoonish, this will never be touched ever. Insane pic right there :-*
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someone notify the police of ND's whereabouts b/c he's suicidal again ;D
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someone notify the police of ND's whereabouts b/c he's suicidal again ;D
03 isn't even his best never mind the best sorry kid that list sucks and not because Dorian is second.
03? ::)
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03 isn't even his best never mind the best sorry kid that list sucks and not because Dorian is second.
03? ::)
are you sure these are the best pics of ronnie in 2003 to make a comparison?! ::).. then you call me cherry picker :-X
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^^^ here's another from 93. This was taken in his hotel room before the Mr. Olympia
never seen this, awesome picture
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03 isn't even his best never mind the best sorry kid that list sucks and not because Dorian is second.
sorry kiddo but you weren't there to see them in person. Your opinion means sh*t
03?
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are you sure these are the best pics of ronnie in 2003 to make a comparison?! ::).. then you call me cherry picker :-X
What's funny is they are from the Photoshoot after the contest not my fault he looks like shit ;)
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sorry kiddo but you weren't there to see them in person. Your opinion means sh*t
Sorry sport the mass consensus among professionals is 1998/2001 is his best and they were there to see him in person and your opinion means shit ;) Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best on four separate occasions already.
Seriously 2003 is not the best physique by a long shot , freakiest? sure best? NO EVEN CLOSE
LMFAO best physique ever ;)
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Sorry sport the mass consensus among professionals is 1998/2001 is his best and they were there to see him in person and your opinion means shit
my opinion? I was quoting Flex magazine, you illiterate baboon
funny how you quote Flex as your holy bible but when they disagree with you, all of a sudden they are wrong ::)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40203&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
All Nasser-Dorian debating and jokes aside, I honestly don't understand why/how so many people say Yates looks "carved from stone" "grainy" etc. From some angles and from the back he looks amazing but from the front he shows no/very little separation or detail in the delts and arms. There's hardly any shape or striations in his front relaxed and front lat spread poses. Looks smooth doesn't it?
yates is been beat there condition wise...
I think this whole dorian grainy nonsense is overatted...
coleman > dorian.... by far
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my opinion? I was quoting Flex magazine, you illiterate baboon
Yeah because you never said 03 was his best before ::)
That list is shit you think Arnold 74 beats Phil Hill 2011? or Haney?
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What's funny is they are from the Photoshoot after the contest not my fault he looks like shit ;)
Ronnie Coleman = Chad Nichols' bitch
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my opinion? I was quoting Flex magazine, you illiterate baboon
funny how you quote Flex as your holy bible but when they disagree with you, all of a sudden they are wrong ::)
Wrong yet again dummy , the IFBB judging criteria is the holy bible and always has been. ;)
The list is shit plain and simple why? Arnold 74 beats Haney 91 and Phil Heath , give me a break
cling to this list Neo it's all you have , Dorian 93 shits on Ronnie 03 according to the holy bible the IFBB judging criteria , better conditioning by FAR , better balance & proportion , more complete , better poser , etc , etc
Ronnie 2001 ASC comes closer
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what the fuck is wrong with you people?
every thread in which the names of dorian, ronnie or nasser is included will turn to be a fucking debate thread about who's better than who.
can you people just let it go? what's the point of winning the debate of who's better than who? and It actutally is not a debate anymore, it is more like some kind of immature and unintelligent argy-bargy.
??? :-X
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Wrong yet again dummy , the IFBB judging criteria is the holy bible and always has been.
The list is shit plain and simple why? Arnold 74 beats Haney 91 and Phil Heath , give me a break
cling to this list Neo it's all you have , Dorian 93 shits on Ronnie 03 according to the holy bible the IFBB judging criteria , better conditioning by FAR , better balance & proportion , more complete , better poser , etc , etc
lol, such a pathetic sore loser. Flex magazine > your opinion. Btw, others who saw them in person also say 03 Ronnie is the best ever
Ronnie 2001 ASC comes closer
the list only pertains to Olympia physiques. Both 03 Mr. Olympia Ronnie and 01 ASC Ronnie are better than Dorian
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what the fuck is wrong with you people?
every thread in which the names of dorian, ronnie or nasser is included will turn to be a fucking debate thread about who's better than who.
can you people just let it go? what's the point of winning the debate of who's better than who? and It actutally is not a debate anymore, it is more like some kind of immature and unintelligent argy-bargy.
??? :-X
It's the same trolls who can't leave a Yates thread without trying to prove their hero was better 8)
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lol, such a pathetic sore loser. Flex magazine > your opinion. Btw, others who saw them in person also say 03 Ronnie is the best ever
the list only pertains to Olympia physiques. Both 03 Mr. Olympia Ronnie and 01 ASC Ronnie are better than Dorian
On noes the Flex magazine list said so ::) they just typed Arnold 74 beats Haney 91 and Heath 11 lol I didn't lose shit , you're in another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better you my dim witted friend is the loser. ;)
That list is shit and it's all you have , Ronnie said multiple times Dorian beats him and Ronnie > your opinion and Flex ;)
lol Arnold 74 beats Heath 11 and Haney 91 YEAH THAT LIST IS SPOT ON LMFAO
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You're only judged onstage. Hope this helps.
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On noes the Flex magazine list said so they just typed Arnold 74 beats Haney 91 and Heath 11 lol I didn't lose shit , you're in another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better you my dim witted friend is the loser.
That list is shit and it's all you have , Ronnie said multiple times Dorian beats him and Ronnie > your opinion and Flex
lol Arnold 74 beats Heath 11 and Haney 91 YEAH THAT LIST IS SPOT ON LMFAO
what does it feel like to lose?
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what say you Mr. Coleman?
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what does it feel like to lose?
Says the guy trying to prove Ronnie really was better in yet another Dorian Yates thread ;)
When Ronnie said on three separate occasions he couldn't touch Dorian that's when he sealed his fan boys fates ;D you still haven't recovered , still trying prove Ronnie was better. 8)
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Got it from this article. Good read.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
A few quotes from the article:
Nasser El Sonbaty
IFBB pro bodybuilding legend
1999 Arnold Classic winner
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto
IFBB pro bodybuilding legend
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
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what say you Mr. Coleman?
Mr Coleman said Dorian would beat him on three separate occasions ;)
another Neo backfire. ;D
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Got it from this article. Good read.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
A few quotes from the article:
Nasser El Sonbaty
IFBB pro bodybuilding legend
1999 Arnold Classic winner
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto
IFBB pro bodybuilding legend
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
/end thread
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Mr Coleman said Dorian would beat him on three separate occasions ;)
another Neo backfire. ;D
You really have no brain.
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/end thread
Not quite and why? this thread has nothing to do with Ronnie vs Dorian only trolls are in here trying to prove Ronnie was better
And entertaining /end thread , Ronnie said multiple times he could never beat Dorian so thanks for playing. ;)
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You really have no brain.
Coming from you that's rich ::)
where are you? in a Dorian Yates yeah I thought so.
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This is incoherent, what do you mean?
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This is incoherent, what do you mean?
Where are you? in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better , same trolls trying to prove Ronnie was better , I'm not in a Ronnie Coleman thread trying to prove Dorian was better.
This thread had ZERO to do with Ronnie and yet the fanboys are all here , Hulkster , Neo , you , Meso , iceman just wanted to share some pics and you guys need to prove Ronnie was better.
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I'm sorry, can someone explains to me why this man have a lot of fans?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SutmoK5FSSI/AAAAAAAABW8/bCLFK-gzsKc/s400/1997-mr-olympia-98_20090830.JPG)
:)
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I'm sorry, can someone explains to me why this man have a lot of fans?
strong avi to post ratio
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I'm sorry, can someone explains to me why this man have a lot of fans?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SutmoK5FSSI/AAAAAAAABW8/bCLFK-gzsKc/s400/1997-mr-olympia-98_20090830.JPG)
:)
Same reason this guy does
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Where are you? in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better , same trolls trying to prove Ronnie was better , I'm not in a Ronnie Coleman thread trying to prove Dorian was better.
This thread had ZERO to do with Ronnie and yet the fanboys are all here , Hulkster , Neo , you , Meso , iceman just wanted to share some pics and you guys need to prove Ronnie was better.
not a fan boy at all a fan
im not blind to ronnies flaws....
90% of bbing will probably say ronnie is king....
its all a matter of opinion at the end of the day.....
but majority..?
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Same reason this guy does
A 47 years old Ronnie Coleman still has better arms than a Dorian in contest shape. :)
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not a fan boy at all a fan
im not blind to ronnies flaws....
90% of bbing will probably say ronnie is king....
its all a matter of opinion at the end of the day.....
but majority..?
Where are you? You're in a Dorian Yates thread talking about Ronnie being better , that = fanboy
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Same reason this guy does
do you really want to start comparing them after their prime?
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03 isn't even his best never mind the best sorry kid that list sucks and not because Dorian is second.
03? ::)
I was replying to this, and the ridiculously out of context backstage pic you posted underneath of bloaty Ron vs b/w onstage Dorian. What's the point?
I was cool with the Dorian appreciation also. You started the bloaty Ron rubbish. ::)
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Where are you? You're in a Dorian Yates thread talking about Ronnie being better , that = fanboy
how many ronnie threads have you jumped in ???
be honest.... if thats your definition of a fan boy
then you're the biggest fan boy here... hands down
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Oh yeah and if we're doing a retired pics comparison Dorian will die. Lets keep it Dorian prime, compared with ..... more Dorian prime like the thread says.
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Without a doubt Ronnie Coleman is the most overrated Mr. O of all time especially if Flex have 2003 listed as the best ever. I'm still in shock over that because 1993 Dorian Yates simply pwns it.
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how many ronnie threads have you jumped in ???
be honest.... if thats your definition of a fan boy
then you're the biggest fan boy here... hands down
Not as many as you guys have not in the least. Again when was the last time I jumped in a Ronnie thread and said Dorian is better? eons if you have proof otherwise feel free to post it
I stopped posting in the Truce thread years ago and guess who followed me around like fanboys? you guessed it all the exact same people right now.
Again it all ended for me when Ronnie said for the third time he could never beat Ronnie , his fanboys still haven't recovered.
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Dorian Yates will always look better than Ronnie Coleman and personally I agree with Flanders & Swann who said the English, the English, the English are best.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SwUoIn13DNI/AAAAAAAACao/n3dLyZnPAOM/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+at+the+2001+Mr.+Olympia.JPG)
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do you really want to start comparing them after their prime?
Come on fanboy ;)
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Coleman 03 is the only imposter on this list:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454374;image)
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;D
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I was replying to this, and the ridiculously out of context backstage pic you posted underneath of bloaty Ron vs b/w onstage Dorian. What's the point?
I was cool with the Dorian appreciation also. You started the bloaty Ron rubbish. ::)
I never said anything about Ronnie , until the fanboys showed up
again where are you?
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from the article:
Though not perfectly developed, but with good proportions and layers of ripped to the bone muscle mass,
Flex Magazine: you can say that again hahahahaha
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Coleman 03 is the only imposter on this list:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454374;image)
'm a HUGE Arnold fan but I'm under no delusions he's better than Haney or Heath in terms of physique
Ronnie 2003? give me a fucking break 1998? even 1999 sure? but please 2003 ::)
on-stage flexed and looking prego , best physique HAHAHAHAHA
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;D
I can't believe he gets up on stage looking like that today. Truly a bag of shit. His guy fans should put him out of his misery by telling him to stop.
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I'm a HUGE Arnold fan but I'm under no delusions he's better than Haney or Heath in terms of physi
You are 100% right.
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Worse than drug free Ron Harrissa :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/jakescakes/Capture.jpg)
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Worse than drug free Ron Harrissa :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/jakescakes/Capture.jpg)
;D
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;D
They both look horrible anyway. :)
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They both look horrible anyway. :)
At least Dorian knew when to get out
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At least Dorian knew when to get out
Exactly, but I admired Coleman for making one last attempt disguised as Moses.
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At least Dorian knew when to get out
1997 Dorian Yates looks much more horrible than 2007 Ronnie Coleman. :)
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Exactly, but I admired Coleman for making one last attempt disguised as Moses.
That's when he lost in 06 he kept going after that :-X
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1997 Dorian Yates looks much more horrible than 2007 Ronnie Coleman. :)
Think again:
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Think again:
great poser. But he looked disgusting. :)
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great poser. But he looked disgusting. :)
In that case I want to look disgusting.
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In that case I want to look disgusting.
I prefer to have a physic that allow me to fuck chick but that"s your choice. :)
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I prefer to have a physic that allow me to fuck chick but that"s your choice. :)
Well, it didn't stop him from gaining a lot of female attention at all the seminars I attended.
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LOL
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/Romulus32/1995preolympiayates.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454412;image)
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Well, it didn't stop him from gaining a lot of female attention at all the seminars I attended.
that's true. But that's because he has a good charisma. If you look like a jew like me, sometimes it's better to have a great line with great chest. :)
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LOL
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/Romulus32/1995preolympiayates.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454412;image)
No fucking contest
look how much wider and thicker Dorian's lats are :o
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that's true. But that's because he has a good charisma. If you look like a jew like me, sometimes it's better to have a great line with great chest. :)
You're a jew and you look like poo as your avatar suggests.
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(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/Romulus32/1995preolympiayates.jpg)
Dorian would look small next to Ronnie
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^^^ better arms, delts, pecs, and quads. The only thing I would give Dorian the nod is calves
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^^^ better arms, delts, pecs, and quads. The only thing I would give Dorian the nod is calves
Hmm. Only Hulkster does the little ^^^ thing.
Hulkster gimmick all along?
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Hmm. Only Hulkster does the little ^^^ thing.
Hulkster gimmick all along?
you have to be kidding me? Those are used whenever one wants to conserve space by not quoting the post above
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I say that any version of Yates from 1991 onwards beats 2003 Coleman with ease.
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Looks as soft as hell and the calves totally ruin everything. I don't get how anyone can think this beats the Shadow. A lot of blind people on this board IMO.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454436;image)
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Looks as soft as hell and the calves totally ruin everything:
then you must think Dorian looks like the marshmallow man in the B&W pic b/c he has virtually no definition
Ronnie looks contest ready: striated pecs, separated bi's and tri's, a sharper midsection, and more defined quads
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Looks as soft as hell and the calves totally ruin everything:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454436;image)
yes super soft
arms back delts traps quads hams chest muscle shape insertions separation... belong to ronnie
you "guys" can keep the calves and conditioning
do the math....
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yes super soft
arms back delts traps quads hams chest muscle shape insertions separation... belong to ronnie
you "guys" can keep the calves and conditioning
do the math....
In the case of Ronnie Coleman the whole front lat spread pose looks silly and awkward especially in 2003. You actually think he looks comfortable hitting the pose? Shame on you.
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Some more
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2 more
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Amazing.
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The lighting at this show was goddawfully fucking terribad, washed out EVERYONE.
Too bad about that torn bi, that FDB would look AWESOME if it werent for that.
Attention ND!!
Can you please post the 95 Most Muscular pic taken on an downward angle to the side where Dorian looks insanely thick, shows the whole pose head to toe? The one that Nasser hit during the posedown, and then Dorian hit it next to him and the crowd roared?
Its been posted several times in the truce thread, and I dont feel like looking through all those pages.
Its one of the few pics that shows just how huge and 3D Dorian really was.
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even if he had good arms that FDB would be awful.
just look at his quads. they are pretty bad. hardly any cuts, shape or sweep to speak of.
so, with different arms and quads he would look good.
but then, you just end up with a white version of Ronnie Coleman..
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Can you please post the 95 Most Muscular pic taken on an downward angle to the side where Dorian looks insanely thick, shows the whole pose head to toe? The one that Nasser hit during the posedown, and then Dorian hit it next to him and the crowd roared?
Its been posted several times in the truce thread, and I dont feel like looking through all those pages.
Its one of the few pics that shows just how huge and 3D Dorian really was.
take your pick
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more pics
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take your pick
LOL, I'll add to that
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LOL, I'll add to that
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454681;image)
my attempt to fix the coloring in that pic
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The lighting at this show was goddawfully fucking terribad, washed out EVERYONE.
Too bad about that torn bi, that FDB would look AWESOME if it werent for that.
Attention ND!!
Can you please post the 95 Most Muscular pic taken on an downward angle to the side where Dorian looks insanely thick, shows the whole pose head to toe? The one that Nasser hit during the posedown, and then Dorian hit it next to him and the crowd roared?
Its been posted several times in the truce thread, and I dont feel like looking through all those pages.
Its one of the few pics that shows just how huge and 3D Dorian really was.
Oh the one the fanboys cried was ' photoshopped ' ?
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even if he had good arms that FDB would be awful.
just look at his quads. they are pretty bad. hardly any cuts, shape or sweep to speak of.
so, with different arms and quads he would look good.
but then, you just end up with a white version of Ronnie Coleman..
Better than anything Coleman can manage ;)
sorry you need more than big arms to complete this pose , guess what they look at calves too
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LOL, I'll add to that
Thats the one I was looking for Ice (reddish tint), thanks.
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Oh the one the fanboys cried was ' photoshopped ' ?
Yes!
Winsauce.
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Better than anything Coleman can manage ;)
sorry you need more than big arms to complete this pose , guess what they look at calves too
Biceps lacking quality definition, small triceps and Abnormal quad shape. Sorry its an impressive photo but lets be real.
P.S. Coleman's calves were not missing, they are probably bigger than your head.
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Biceps lacking quality definition, small triceps and Abnormal quad shape. Sorry its an impressive photo but lets be real.
P.S. Coleman's calves were not missing, they are probably bigger than your head.
Yeah but they were missing to the rest of his torso, absolute size doesnt matter, relative size does.
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Biceps lacking quality definition, small triceps and Abnormal quad shape. Sorry its an impressive photo but lets be real.
P.S. Coleman's calves were not missing, they are probably bigger than your head.
Cherry pick much? quality definition ::) see pic want me to break Ronnie's physique down?
P.S. his calves were MISSING and they sucked , they lacked shape , size , and development. It doesn't matter if they were big what matters is they weren't in proportion with his quads
23" arms and 17" calves ::)
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23" arms and 17" calves ::)
Better than having 17 inch arms and 23 inch calves.
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Yeah but they were missing to the rest of his torso, absolute size doesnt matter, relative size does.
They weren't huge at all not for someone 287lbs and not anywhere near the size of his arms which the Greek Ideal is arms , calves and neck all the same size.
Dorian's calves were huge , Ronnie's aren't comparable
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Better than having 17 inch arms and 23 inch calves.
Both equally as bad, but youre exaggerating, Dorians arms werent nearly as bad compared to the rest of him as Ronnie's calves were.
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Better than having 17 inch arms and 23 inch calves.
Really 17" arms? at his BEST ( keyword ) his arms were a lot closer in size with his calves than Ronnie's
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I never saw calves as important as arms...IMO ...
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I never saw calves as important as arms...IMO ...
Good thing you're not a judge , weak biceps can be hidden weak calves cannot
those are some really massive 17" arms
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I never saw calves as important as arms...IMO ...
I know, but thats a personal gym rat type opinion because of whats important to us as lifters. Competition is different than what we as gym rats see as important. Completeness is completeness, ignore the fact of what the name of the muscles are for a second, one slightly undersized bodypart vs a nonexistant bodypart, sounds totally different doesnt it?
Fact is Dorian was more complete than Ronnie, they both had their weak bodyparts, only Ronnie's was much weaker than Dorian's.
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- Coleman has way more detail than Yates
- Yates is more dense/thick than Coleman
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Agreed. Dorian had the conditioning, well the dehydration and hardness. Ronnie had the detail/shape factor.
Ronnie calves weren't the best, Dorian's arms weren't the best. Fuck knows which is more important. I will say that Larry Scott, for whom the Olympia was obviously invented, was all arms. Dexter won an O with no calves. And finally the biceps and triceps are two very big and different muscles, whereas the calf (I know the soleus and gastronemeusususus) is essentially one muscle group.
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The Dorian MM on the ESPN screen cap is one of the best pics for showing the depth/thickness Dorian had that often doesn't present itself in photos. Especially in the legs, which can often look 2d the way he stood at times.
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The Dorian MM on the ESPN screen cap is one of the best pics for showing the depth/thickness Dorian had that often doesn't present itself in photos. Especially in the legs, which can often look 2d the way he stood at times.
yeah, thats the problem with most media of Doz ive seen, most of the angles dont show his true depth/thickness.
The 96 German GP vid is some of the only other media that actually shows what he really looked like.
Dude was like a fucking tank walking around.
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lol @ 4:14 in the above posted video.
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lol @ 4:14 in the above posted video.
Dorian making Ronnie look narrow and soft and small 8)
Dorains arms don't look so small do they?
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they aren't small but they have awful development.
worse arms since chris dickerson in a mr. o.
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they aren't small but they have awful development.
worse arms since chris dickerson in a mr. o.
Yeah sure just awful ;)
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Yeah sure just awful ;)
lol at gh15 saying they are18.5, seriously stupid statement, don't know whats worst this statement or his homeland security statement ::)
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lol at gh15 saying they are18.5, seriously stupid statement, don't know whats worst this statement or his homeland security statement ::)
lol What about the aliens and Michael Jackson :-X
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lol at gh15 saying they are18.5, seriously stupid statement, don't know whats worst this statement or his homeland security statement ::)
Tell me about it. At the very least 20's.
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Dorian making Ronnie look narrow and soft and small 8)
Dorains arms don't look so small do they?
Dorian absolutely raping Ronnie in that pic. Ronnie competes favourably with delts and quads, everywhere else he's being smoked.
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Dorian absolutely raping Ronnie in that pic. Ronnie competes favourably with delts and quads, everywhere else he's being smoked.
Granted Ronnie is not his best but then again neither is Dorian.
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Dorian absolutely raping Ronnie in that pic. Ronnie competes favourably with delts and quads, everywhere else he's being smoked.
Ronnie's best parts are his delts, quads and bi's. Thats why all his bitches post non stop Most muscular pics - cause it emphasizes every single one of his strengths and hides every weakness (notice almost all posted MM pics start from the knee up).
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lol What about the aliens and Michael Jackson :-X
Ya that too, lol....but in case you have not heard about that one thread when he stated that he will speak to his friends from homeland security about helping Victor Martinez( about being in jail) out, till this day he still claims he is the reason why Vic didn't get deported cause of his friends in homeland, Me and Wes bashed him for 50 pages, got to give him credit though cause about 50 guys mocked him yet he still stuck to his story,lol.. :-\
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Ya that too, lol....but in case you have not heard about that one thread when he stated that he will speak to his friends from homeland security about helping Victor Martinez( about being in jail) out, till this day he still claims he is the reason why Vic didn't get deported cause of his friends in homeland, Me and Wes bashed him for 50 pages, got to give him credit though cause about 50 guys mocked him yet he still stuck to his story,lol.. :-\
Yup he has connections everywhere LMFAO
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Tell me about it. At the very least 20's.
Ha guys in the 202 are creeping 20, actually Jose let's people measure him all the time and they are over20, yet Yates is 18.5, at 260, In they cannot be less then 20 but even twenty would look like toothpicks compared to the res of his massive physiques
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Ha guys in the 202 are creeping 20, actually Jose let's people measure him all the time and they are over20, yet Yates is 18.5, at 260, In they cannot be less then 20 but even twenty would look like toothpicks compared to the res of his massive physiques
Well that's it. My arms are 19 inches at 223lbs and my arms are my strong point.
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Whose that bald tiny tit in front of Yates?
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Whose that bald tiny tit in front of Yates?
;D
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I originally scanned that. So much for being ' blocky ' ::)
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Whose that bald tiny tit in front of Yates?
Anyone else notice Yates looks as wide or wider than Ronnie, even though hes like 10 feet further from the camera? (talking about structure here)
Kinda puts a kibosh on the whole "Ronnie was much more wide more wide than Yates" thing.
Not to mention how Dorian's waist looks as wide as Ronnie's from the back row, so I think that kind of puts a rest to any of the stupid comparison pics where Ronnie's waist is anywhere near in size to Dorians.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455005;image)
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A man confident in his own argument would not deliberately and repeatedly post pics from when Ronnie came 6th or 9th.
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A man confident in his own argument would not deliberately and repeatedly post pics from when Ronnie came 6th or 9th.
Who repeatedly posted pics of Ronnie coming in 6th or 9th?
Cause I dont see anyone anywhere in this thread comparing a 6th or 9th Ronnie to a prime Dorian. Thats Hulkster territory.
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A man confident in his own argument would not deliberately and repeatedly post pics from when Ronnie came 6th or 9th.
Says the troll in a Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was really better. ::)
And how many of you unwittingly posted pics of Ronnie from 1996 and claimed look how much better Ronnie was lol
this pic ring a bell ?
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Anyone else notice Yates looks as wide or wider than Ronnie's, even though hes like 10 feet further from the camera?
Kinda puts a kibosh on the whole "Ronnie was much more wide more wide than Yates" thing.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455005;image)
Coleman being pwned by Yates as usual.
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Coleman being pwned by Yates as usual.
Dorian at his worse whips Coleman's ass
Every single thing these nutt-huggers claim that would beat Dorian is present
better taper - check
better ' arms ' - check
better taper - check
better quad sweep - check
better detail - check
255lbs in 1997
NINTH FUCKING PLACE to a career worse Dorian Yates LMMFAO and Ronnie with improved conditioning is supposed to beat a career best Dorian?
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT he would
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Ronnie looks fucking amazing there.
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Ronnie looks fucking amazing there.
No , no , Ronnie was NO WHERE near his best when Dorian beat him
255lbs right there , smaller waist than Dorian , better taper , more detail , better arms , better sweep, more vascular , blah , blah , blah , blah
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Ronnie looked amazing 98-00, no doubt.
Dorian had structure, completeness and conditioning (size probably too, but thats debatable) on his side. Thats a 1-2 punch.
Ronnie has superior muscle shape, definition, and separation.
Dorian simply has more of the important qualities than Ronnie does.
I look at it like this -
Ronnie's has more of the little details, like the icing on the cake - the finish work.
Dorian has more of the solid base of things it takes to win (completeness, conditioning), even though he doesnt quite have as much of nice little touches.
Think of it like a car that has it all - Cornering, braking and power (Mass, conditiong, completeness), but with a crude interior and rough to drive, and an ugly paintjob.
vs.
A car that has equal cornering and braking (mass and conditioning), but is down on power (completeness), but has nicer things like interior, nice to drive, nice paint, easy to look at (Separation, detail, shape).
In competition, youre going to want the ugly car that has all the most important points covered. Youre not going to choose a car that doesnt handle as well even though its nicer to drive/look at.
To drive around and show off youre going to want the 2nd car, impressive looking and more of a crowd pleaser even though its not as complete a competitor like the 1st ugly brute of car.
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THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN RONNIE. HE LOOKS INCREDIBLE!!! IS THIS FROM BFTO '99?
:o :o :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455097;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455098;image)
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THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN RONNIE. HE LOOKS INCREDIBLE!!! IS THIS FROM BFTO '99?
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Lol, its from 97 broseph. :o
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Ronnie Coleman was never this big and defined. He turned to shit at the same bodyweight, something that never happened to the Shadow.
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Ronnie looked amazing 98-00, no doubt.
Dorian had structure, completeness and conditioning (size probably too, but thats debatable) on his side. Thats a 1-2 punch.
Ronnie has superior muscle shape, definition, and separation.
Dorian simply has more of the important qualities than Ronnie does.
I look at it like this -
Ronnie's has more of the little details, like the icing on the cake - the finish work.
Dorian has more of the solid base of things it takes to win (completeness, conditioning), even though he doesnt quite have as much of nice little touches.
Think of it like a car that has it all - Cornering, braking and power (Mass, conditiong, completeness), but with a crude interior and rough to drive, and an ugly paintjob.
vs.
A car that has equal cornering and braking (mass and conditioning), but is down on power (completeness), but has nicer things like interior, nice to drive, nice paint, easy to look at (Separation, detail, shape).
In competition, youre going to want the ugly car that has all the most important points covered. Youre not going to choose a car that doesnt handle as well even though its nicer to drive/look at.
To drive around and show off youre going to want the 2nd car, impressive looking and more of a crowd pleaser even though its not as complete a competitor like the 1st ugly brute of car.
i like this cars example.. so here is a pic. of dorian in 97 :P
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i like this cars example.. so here is a pic. of dorian in 97 :P
Lol. Dude was definatley beat up by the end. Id liken it more to one of the NASCAR cars that survived a wreck and won. Looks beat to hell, still made it to the end of the race and won though. ;D
Iceman got the pics up of Nasser's DVD you were asking about.
Although TBH I think he looks a helluva lot better onstage than he does in those gym video caps. :-\
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Ronnie Coleman was never this big and defined. He turned to shit at the same bodyweight, something that never happened to the Shadow.
Look at that front relaxed. Dominance personified.
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Look at that front relaxed. Dominance personified.
Dude was the only BB in recent history to un-gay the sport.
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Lol. Dude was definatley beat up by the end. Id liken it more to one of the NASCAR cars that survived a wreck and won. Looks beat to hell, still made it to the end of the race and won though. ;D
Iceman got the pics up of Nasser's DVD you were asking about.
Although TBH I think he looks a helluva lot better onstage than he does in those gym video caps. :-\
thx for notifying me i go to check now ;D
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Fantasy ^^^^^
Reality ;)
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Colemans best > Dorians best
Coolman:
Arms
Upper back
Thighs
Pecs
Definition
Dorian:
Calves
Didnt go to absolute shit, knew when to stop
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Fantasy ^^^^^
Reality ;)
some serious owning by Yates here, as usual
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some serious owning by Yates here, as usual
Twig arms huh?
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Proof that Yates had more quality muscle.
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Ronnie has the best physique ever according to Joe Weider and Flex magazine
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454691;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454692;image)
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Ronnie has the best physique ever according to Joe Weider and Flex magazine
WRONG ;)
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Ronnie was also voted as having the best back ever in Flex magazine and said so himself
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454692;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=411293.0;attach=454954;image)
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Ronnie has the best physique ever according to Joe Weider and Flex magazine
Hey how come you don't post your sharpened pics :D
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WRONG
sorry kiddo but a fall poll =/= bodybuilding experts. Also, yours says "favorite." Mine explicitly says "best physique"
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
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Ronnie was also voted as having the best back ever in Flex magazine and said so himself
Ronnie also said 4 times he could NEVER beat Dorian 8)
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sorry kiddo, but a fall poll =/= bodybuilding experts
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
No , no Flex magazine said ;)
the GOAT time Ronnie Coleman said he could NEVER beat Dorian ever he is so sure of this fact he said it repeatedly
thanks for playing , class dismissed
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You still fail to acknowledge the MM pics posted and the fact that Dorian never had Colemans definition at their bests. Please, state one more time how Dorian beat Ronnie, so as to derail the main point, yet again.
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You still fail to acknowledge the MM pics posted and the fact that Dorian never had Colemans definition at their bests. Please, state one more time how Dorian beat Ronnie, so as to derail the main point, yet again.
Dorian NEVER needed Ronnie's ' definition ' to beat him he soundly beat him many times
your point = fail
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No, no Flex magazine said
the GOAT time Ronnie Coleman said he could NEVER beat Dorian ever he is so sure of this fact he said it repeatedly
thanks for playing , class dismissed
too bad the quotes disagree with you. Thanks for playing ;)
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rcinter.htm
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in an interview after ronnie won the 98 olympia,they asked him what would have happened if dorian would have competed and ronnie replied dorian would have won his seventh sandow.later when ronnie supersizwd in 03,yates like wise said he wasnt sure he could have beat thaqt years physique.
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Dorian NEVER needed Ronnie's ' definition ' to beat him he soundly beat him many times
your point = fail
You are very stupid, just letting you know.
Colemans best > Yates best
your point is dumb, or, better, you never had a point
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too bad the quotes disagree with you. Thanks for playing ;)
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rcinter.htm
Where is the rest of the quote? where he says he couldn't beat them in their day? ;) Oppppssss forgot that
And that contradicts NOTHING in the end you FAIL
Ronnie said on multiple occasions he could NOT beat Dorian Yates
/thread ;)
check mate
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WRONG ;)
A year or two before another poll was printed in Flex Magazine with Dorian Yates in 2nd place behind Schwarzenegger. Yates responded by saying he believed it meant he was first in terms of physique due to Schwarzenegger's popularity as a movie star.
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too bad the quotes disagree with you. Thanks for playing ;)
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win" I couldn't have beat them
8)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rcinter.htm
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poor ND getting owned in this thread
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^^^ notice they say "physiques?" Not "who is your favorite bodybuilder?" lol
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poor ND getting owned in this thread
In the end Ronnie Coleman concedes Dorian is superior. In fact he said so many times. in the end his poor fanboys got beaten using their own hero.
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Just in case
Because, fuck, how can you be this stupid
Colemans definition, with his size, is the most impressive physique ever presented, which Dorian never had, he was close though, specially mass wise, and better calves.
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^^^ notice they say "physiques?" Not "who is your favorite bodybuilder?" lol
Yeah it says Arnold was better than Haney & Heath lol it says this is the best physique ever LMFAO
Yeah BUDDY ;D
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In the end Ronnie Coleman concedes Dorian is superior. In fact he said so many times. in the end his poor fanboys got beaten using their own hero.
Please, try referring as fanboys to your own kind, Im being pretty objective and dont care for anything Coleman says, at all, that is not YEAH BUDDAY, which is his only vocal contribution to bbing.
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poor ND getting owned in this thread
And I wonder who writes Flex Magazine these days? Probably a bunch of American Coleman nut-huggers who never once saw Yates compete. They failed to even mention Yates' 1993 dominance in their top 10 list of greatest Olympia moments a year or two ago.
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Ronnie has the best back ever and we all know the judges pick the bodybuilder with the best back 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454149;image)
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Please, try referring as fanboys to your own kind, Im being pretty objective and dont care for anything Coleman says, at all, that is not YEAH BUDDAY, which is his only vocal contribution to bbing.
Come back under your real account and bitch :-X
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Ronnie has the best back ever and we all know the judges historically picked the bodybuilder with the best back 8)
Hehehehehehehe best back YEAH BUDDY
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Come back under your real account and bitch :-X
Youre just mad that YOU KNOW that at both their bests Coleman had better definition and lacks the calves and has a real left biceps. By 5 cms, but he was the best.
Also, this is my only account, ask any mod.
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Yeah it says Arnold was better than Haney & Heath lol it says this is the best physique ever
cry me a river
(http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=192809)
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let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
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let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
What does Ronnie have to say? oppssss that's right Dorian = better than me ;)
you can never trump this , you can never top this , not only did he say once that he couldn't beat him not twice but FOUR times
Ronnie Coleman the ones everyone raving admits in the end , Dorian = better
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let's hear what other bodybuilding experts who saw them both had to say
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
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Also
Just in case
Because, fuck, how can you be this stupid
Colemans definition, with his size, is the most impressive physique ever presented, which Dorian never had, he was close though, specially mass wise, and better calves.
Lol.
Someone doesnt know how BB contests are judged.
Yes, Coleman had superior separation and muscle shape.
Unfortunatley for him, those 2 items are not high on the importance list of the judging criteria.
Mass
Conditioning
Completeness
Balance and proportion
Those are the judging criteria, separation, muscle shape, striations - all just icing on the cake.
They look cool and theyre important to gym rats, but they arent the main conditions for judging competitive BB.
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What does Ronnie have to say? oppssss that's right Dorian = better than me
you can never trump this , you can never top this , not only did he say once that he couldn't beat him not twice but FOUR times
Ronnie Coleman the ones everyone raving admits in the end , Dorian = better
lol, you're quoting the same guy who says his back is better than Dorian's and you disagreed with him
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454204;image)
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post the scan of ronnie saying this nd
.. ive seen where dorian in an interview said ronnie would be hard to beat when at his peak....
if dorian said ronnie as better would that in your eyes make ronnie better... answer yes or no?
thanks
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lol, you're quoting the same guy who says his back is better than Dorian's and you disagreed with him
It doesn't matter he could say he had a better back , he has constantly said he could NEVER beat Dorian he said it multiple times.
You lose. ;) you're in another Dorian Yates thread TRYING your hardest to prove Ronnie was and in the end you fail.
Thanks for playing Neo ;)
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Lol.
Someone doesnt know how BB contests are judged.
Yes, Coleman had superior separation and muscle shape.
Unfortunatley for him, those 2 items are not high on the importance list of the judging criteria.
Mass
Conditioning
Completeness
Balance and proportion
Those are the judging criteria, separation, muscle shape, striations - all just icing on the cake.
They look cool and theyre important to gym rats, but they arent the main conditions for judging a BB.
did you seem them both in person at their prime? No, I did not think so. How about we leave this to the pros who competed against them? ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
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It doesn't matter he could say he had a better back , he has constantly said he could NEVER beat Dorian he said it multiple times.
You lose. you're in another Dorian Yates thread TRYING your hardest to prove Ronnie was and in the end you fail.
Thanks for playing Neo
it does matter b/c you don't even think your source is credible. Shows how weak your argument really is
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Lol.
Someone doesnt know how BB contests are judged.
Yes, Coleman had superior separation and muscle shape.
Unfortunatley for him, those 2 items are not high on the importance list of the judging criteria.
Mass
Conditioning
Completeness
Balance and proportion
Those are the judging criteria, separation, muscle shape, striations - all just icing on the cake.
They look cool and theyre important to gym rats, but they arent the main conditions for judging a BB.
Let em troll , in the end they can type whatever they want.
Ronnie's admitted he couldn't touch Dorian and that's he's sure of. ;D
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My personal opinion, is that Flex magazine is not a good source, they go with whoever is more popular with people at the moment (sells magazines).
Coleman and Yates, you can never tell when theyre being honest, when theyre being delusional, or when theyre right.
Ronnies word in particular is bad, he went through a phase where he bought into his own hype and believed he was unbeatable and from another planet, etc.
Got cocky, stopped being able to see reality, then turned into a petulant child.
Ronnie's ego got way to big for his ass (and his ass was fucking huge). He let the yes men, schmoes, and fanboys skyrocket his ego into oblivion after the rags decided to turn him into some 8 ft 500 lb beast from another planet who couldnt be beaten because its good for business.
Dorian, you never really know what he's thinking or how objective he is.
So in closing, only real way to come to any definitive conclusion is to go by the written rules and form your own opinions, cause the 2 of them are to close to call.
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it does matter b/c you don't even think your source is credible. Shows how weak your argument really is
My argument isn't Ronnie in the least. My Argument has been and always will be Dorian simply meets more of ALL of the judging criteria than Ronnie.
Rubbing Ronnie in your face is the icing on the cake. You idiots went on-and-on about how great Ronnie is and how he would beat Dorian and in the end HE single handedly ended anything you can type as far as opinions are concerned on the subject
You're in another Dorian Yates thread still trying to prove Ronnie wrong , you lose kid , you're still trying to get me back because I beat you using your own hero and the IFBB judging criteria.
The more you post , the more you troll , the more you follow me into Yates threads begging for attention , the more you prove exactly how right I am.
;)
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Let em troll , in the end they can type whatever they want.
Ronnie's admitted he couldn't touch Dorian and that's he's sure of.
epic owning yourself by quoting Ronnie after you already discredited him as a source
here you question Ronnie's credibility after Iceman posted the quote from him saying he has a better back
Oh Ronnie is right now?
Now his back in 1998 at 249lbs is not thicker or better than Dorian at 269lbs , it's just not ,it's not thicker , wider , more detailed or denser.
here you mock Ronnie's assertion that his back is thicker
Lolz Ronnie's back is thicker at 249lbs than Dorians at 269lbs lolz if you believe that
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My personal opinion, is that Flex magazine is not a good source, they go with whoever is more popular with people at the moment (sells magazines).
Coleman and Yates, you can never tell when theyre being honest, when theyre being delusional, or when theyre right.
Ronnies word in particular is bad, he went through a phase where he bought into his own hype and believed he was unbeatable and from another planet, etc.
Got cocky, stopped being able to see reality, then turned into a petulant child.
Ronnie's ego got way to big for his ass (and his ass was fucking huge). He let the yes men, schmoes, and fanboys skyrocket his ego into oblivion after the rags decided to turn him into some 8 ft 500 lb beast from another planet who couldnt be beaten because its good for business.
Dorian, you never really know what he's thinking or how objective he is.
So in closing, only real way to come to any definitive conclusion is to go by the written rules and form your own opinions, cause the 2 of them are to close to call.
It's all he has and he needs something. Everyone's opinion matters except Ronnie's typical Neo hypocrite fanboyism . If Ronnie said yes I would beat Dorian he would be using Ronnie as the end-all be-all source , Ronnie would be right and honest , but because his own hero says Dorian would beat he , he's now forced to discredit Ronnie
Again where are they? they don't believe Ronnie is better in the least that's why they're here , trying so hard lol in the end Ronnie owns them.
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so Ronnie is now a credible source when it's convenient for you but we cannot use quotes from him when it contradicts you?
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epic owning yourself by quoting Ronnie after you already discredited him as a source
here you question Ronnie's credibility after Iceman posted the quote from him saying he has a better back
here you mock Ronnie's assertion that his back is thicker
A source for what? an opinion? in the end Ronnie still feels Dorian is superior this trumps ANY opinion from ANY one you can post
in the end Ronnie even if he does think he has a better back still feels Dorian is better , you lose.
you're in a Dorian Yates thread , you still lose
You need Ronnie to be right when you want and wrong when you want , you still lose.
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My argument isn't Ronnie in the least. My Argument has been and always will be Dorian simply meets more of ALL of the judging criteria than Ronnie.
and mine has been that Ronnie meets the criteria better than Dorian. Even a panel of bodybuilding experts, journalists, photographers, contest promoters, IFBB pros, and the co-founder of the IFBB agree with this. That is called corroborating evidence ;)
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so Ronnie is now a credible source when it's convenient for you but we cannot use quotes from him when it contradicts you?
LMFAO says the guy who tried to discredit Ronnie and then using him as a source lol and please spare me the ploy you were ' mocking ' me
Ronnie isn't a judge , Ronnie does have an opinion and it's worth more than ANYONE you posted because it's him it doesn't make it true but he's been pretty consistent. You absolutely HATE that Ronnie feels this way lol
in the end 12 judges decide who meets the criteria better and who is superior based off of that , we know for a fact Dorian is the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the sport , we also know they faced each other multiple times and we know Ronnie never came close , we also know the odds favor Dorian , we also know YOU don't know shit about how contests are judged ;)
In the end you keep typing what you need to , because no matter what you type Ronnie still feels Dorian is better and nothing you type can change that.
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LMFAO says the guy who tried to discredit Ronnie and then using him as a source lol and please spare me the ploy you were ' mocking ' me
Ronnie isn't a judge , Ronnie does have an opinion and it's worth more than ANYONE you posted because it's him it doesn't make it true but he's been pretty consistent. You absolutely HATE that Ronnie feels this way lol
in the end 12 judges decide who meets the criteria better and who is superior based off of that , we know for a fact Dorian is the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the sport , we also know they faced each other multiple times and we know Ronnie never came close , we also know the odds favor Dorian , we also know YOU don't know shit about how contests are judged
In the end you keep typing what you need to , because no matter what you type Ronnie still feels Dorian is better and nothing you type can change that.
corroborating evidence, kid. Learn it ;)
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corroborating evidence, kid. Learn it ;)
Oh you mean popular opinion? gotcha ;)
in the end Ronnie trumps any quote you can post. His opinion trumps all of theirs.
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Oh you mean popular opinion? gotcha
in the end Ronnie trumps any quote you can post. His opinion trumps all of theirs.
lmao, keep trying kid. Corroborating evidence ;)
and look up argument ad populum b/c you don't know what it means. It says majority opinion =/= right. However, I'm not using a public poll or the opinions of lay persons. There are examples when ad populum doesn't apply, such as deferring to a panel of experts
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I love these pics because it shows how much better ronnie was to become in the years after dorian's reign ended.
he became something so good that not even dorian at his pretear best could even come close to.
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post the scan of ronnie saying this nd
.. ive seen where dorian in an interview said ronnie would be hard to beat when at his peak....
if dorian said ronnie as better would that in your eyes make ronnie better... answer yes or no?
thanks
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I love these pics because it shows how much better ronnie was to become in the years after dorian's reign ended.
he became something so good that not even dorian at his pretear best could even come close to.
Still not any wider numbnuts. Lulz.
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post the scan of ronnie saying this nd
.. ive seen where dorian in an interview said ronnie would be hard to beat when at his peak....
if dorian said ronnie as better would that in your eyes make ronnie better... answer yes or no?
thanks
Boom!
Dorian Yates PBW Radio Interview
when asked who would win in a contest between him and Ronnie at their prime
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
in before ND ;D
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Boom!
Dorian Yates PBW Radio Interview
when asked who would win in a contest between him and Ronnie at their prime
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
in before ND ;D
he said the same thing in another interview i saw.....
I cant wait to hear ND's response to this
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Still not any wider numbnuts. Lulz.
oh yes he was.
ronnie in 99 was a lot bigger and wider than ronnie in 96:
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the increase in upper body size was dramatic.
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oh yes he was.
ronnie in 99 was a lot bigger and wider than ronnie in 96:
Youre a fucking tool..
Those pics you posted proved my point - his width didnt change substantially,
And that pic of Dorian 10 feet in the background, he's as wide or WIDER than Ron IN THE BACKGROUND.
There is many valid ways for you to compare the 2, but width isnt one of them dumbass.
You just owned yourself hard.
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the increase in upper body size was dramatic.
No it wasnt dumbass, his increase in CONDITIONING was impressive, size appears about the same. Jesus.
I swear to god, you rival Team Nasser in your ability to completely dismiss reality and see what you want to see.
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Youre a fucking tool..
Those pics you posted proved my point - his width didnt change substantially,
And that pic of Dorian 10 feet in the background, he's as wide or WIDER than Ron IN THE BACKGROUND.
There is many valid ways for you to compare the 2, but width isnt one of them dumbass.
You just owned yourself hard.
in 96, Ronnie was just as wide as Dorian but in 97, he was narrower than Dorian standing 10 feet behind? ???
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not saying doiran was not wider than ronnie in 96 but in this MM comparison shot ronnie was slightly turned to his left and this mafe him look a little bit narrower while dorian was facing the front..
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Looks like he was carved from stone.
what an amazing bodybuilder, amazing chest, amazing back, forget about the arms...looked like he was carved from stone. That is what a Mr. Olympia should look like.
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8)
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^^^ 2nd best physique ever :o
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in 96, Ronnie was just as wide as Dorian but in 97, he was narrower than Dorian standing 10 feet behind? ???
and by 99 he was even wider than he was in 96..
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fap fap fap
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I remember someone posting a quote in The Truce thread of Peter Mcgough saying that Ronnie had the best back double bicep at the 1997 Mr. Olympia. Does anyone have it?
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I remember someone posting a quote in The Truce thread of Peter Mcgough saying that Ronnie had the best back double bicep at the 1997 Mr. Olympia. Does anyone have it?
Yea, I read it recently. It's the Flex review of that years Olympia.
McGough called it right saying Ronnie was off but also stated
he had the best BDB in the whole contest.
By the Russia Grand Prix Ronnie had nailed his conditioning
and would have faired much better at the Olympia in that shape.
(Last contest on the tour after the O that year.)
Going to 1998 - Kevin had beaten Ronnie at the San Fran show
and then Ronnie stepped up his conditioning for the 1998 Canada (Montreal)
show where he weighed between 255-260 reportedly. The few pics
from that show are pretty incredible. The San Fran show was the
last time Kevin would beat Ronnie.
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Hulkster is on suicide watch now:
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Definitely suicide watch for poor Hulkster:
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in 96, Ronnie was just as wide as Dorian but in 97, he was narrower than Dorian standing 10 feet behind? ???
Oh no he wasn't ;)
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Hulkster is on suicide watch now:
hell no.
those pics made my day because its so easy to show how much better ronnie was
please please post more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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just raping the Keg
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hell no.
those pics made my day because its so easy to show how much better ronnie was
please please post more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why post 99? get the memo Ronnie said for the fourth time his best is 98? ;)
LMFAO
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here you can clearly see why Dorian was unbeatable
without the injuries
ronnie would have had to wait until the 2000s to get the title
and if he wouldn t have made it till 2001 the title would have been given straight to cutler for good
seems taht ronnie had a good amout of luck that dorian got injured and he took the chance to ggear up in 1998 really hard ;)
he knew , that he had to go all in in 1998
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Why post 99? get the memo Ronnie said for the fourth time his best is 98? ;)
LMFAO
naw, your hero and biased fellow englishmen (to yates) peter McGough prefers Ronnie's 99 olympia showng over his 1998 one (as per his now famous (or infamous to you lol) article.
and you have always taken his word as the gospel. :P
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seems taht ronnie had a good amout of luck that dorian got injured
no, because pre injury ronnie still destroyed what dorian offered back in 1993
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naw, your hero and biased fellow englishmen (to yates) peter McGough prefers Ronnie's 99 olympia showng over his 1998 one (as per his now famous (or infamous to you lol) article.
and you have always taken his word as the gospel. :P
WRONG prefers 2001 thanks for playing
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FLEX magazine is my bible. except when they say ronnie is better. then it doesnt' count.
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no, because pre injury ronnie still destroyed what dorian offered back in 1993
WRONG ;)
Dorian in 1993 was much bigger ( 269lbs compared to soft 257lbs ) in better condition , had better balance & proportion , was poser , he was also more complete
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no, because pre injury ronnie still destroyed what dorian offered back in 1993
he guy
for once and all
i tell you something
i discussed that dorian vs ronnie topic several times with multiple mr o judges from germany
and guess what, they arent ifbb robots , judges are for the most part bodybuilding fans and "shmoes" as you are and they discussed this topic among the international judging panel often
because its great fun to them to, as well as for the fasn the boards
and there is just one answer from them regarding who was better
THEY WOULD have given the title always to darian if they had to decide betwenn ronnie and dorian as long dorian would have been looking at least as godd as 1997
so no room for speculations
get over it
i mean
they almost gave the title to jay ;D in 2001
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FLEX magazine is my bible. except when they say ronnie is better. then it doesnt' count.
Flex magazine judges contests now? ???
the IFBB judging criteria is the bible and they NEVER said Ronnie was better 8)
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Flex magazine judges contests now? ???
the IFBB judging criteria is the bible and they NEVER said Ronnie was better 8)
8 - 6
-IFBB judges.
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8 - 6
-IFBB judges.
And how many of them were against Dorian? 0 yeah I thought so
How many of Dorian's were against Ronnie? yeah I thought so
poor Ronnie ( p.i.p )
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And how many of them were against Dorian? 0 yeah I thought so
How many of Dorian's were against Ronnie? yeah I thought so
poor Ronnie ( p.i.p )
muscle for muscle dorian lost just biceps and pecs (if no gyno on ronnie)
dorian clearly had better conditioning and proportions (wider shoulders + better calves)
also his presentation was better by a mile
AND
ronie had the worst abs of to p olympian
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Dorian at his worse handed Ronnie his ass never mind Dorian at his best LMFAO
Dorian 1st
Ronnie 9th :-X
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Never been a fan of Ronnie but without knowing placings and comparing those two pics Dorian is throwing up a fdb with no biceps to speak of
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And how many of them were against Dorian? 0 yeah I thought so
How many of Dorian's were against Ronnie? yeah I thought so
poor Ronnie ( p.i.p )
it's sad that you have to argue using the fact that a prime dorian beat a young coleman.
only you didn't see any improvement from 96 to 98.
everybody else including the judges disagrees with you
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muscle for muscle dorian lost just biceps and pecs (if no gyno on ronnie)
dorian clearly had better conditioning and proportions (wider shoulders + better calves)
also his presentation was better by a mile
AND
ronie had the worst abs of to p olympian
What's funny is if you look at their chests in the front double biceps pose Ronnie's completely flatens out and Dorians doesn't , his pecs looks huge and defined and thick in this shot , Ronnie's just disappears somewhere ???
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it's sad that you have to argue using the fact that a prime dorian beat a young coleman.
only you didn't see any improvement from 96 to 98.
everybody else including the judges disagrees with you
97 compared to 98 only placed he ' improved ' was conditioning
1997 he was 255lbs , 1998 he was 249lbs
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97 compared to 98 only placed he ' improved ' was conditioning
1997 he was 255lbs , 1998 he was 249lbs
I thought his delts looked a little bigger in '98, so it's possible he gained a little bit of muscle while improving his conditioning.
But yeah, conditioning was what made such a difference in Ronnie, not size -- not from '97 to '98, anyway.
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Lol.
Someone doesnt know how BB contests are judged.
Yes, Coleman had superior separation and muscle shape.
Unfortunatley for him, those 2 items are not high on the importance list of the judging criteria.
Mass
Conditioning
Completeness
Balance and proportion
Those are the judging criteria, separation, muscle shape, striations - all just icing on the cake.
They look cool and theyre important to gym rats, but they arent the main conditions for judging competitive BB.
You are a bigger retard than I though, what do you think Conditioning means? How do you think Mass measures when compared side to side? Balance and Proportion wise Ronnie was still better all in all, completeness, well, its debatable, the lack of biceps is as bad as the lack of calves.
Thanks or being so stupid, keep on denying.
Fuck its like talking to 16 year olds...
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What's funny is if you look at their chests in the front double biceps pose Ronnie's completely flatens out and Dorians doesn't , his pecs looks huge and defined and thick in this shot , Ronnie's just disappears somewhere ???
Notice the distance between camera and poser?
You are dumber with every post...Ronnies pecs were better, this is not even debatable...
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I thought his delts looked a little bigger in '98, so it's possible he gained a little bit of muscle while improving his conditioning.
But yeah, conditioning was what made such a difference in Ronnie, not size -- not from '97 to '98, anyway.
They appeared less defined as well , see the pics. it's possible he just complete dried out which explained the drop of 6 pounds.
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dorian clearly had better conditioning and proportions (wider shoulders + better calves
so, a 300 inch waist thats 5 times thicker than ronnie's is better proportions LMAO! ::)
dorian doesn't even look like a bodybuilder in most shots LOL
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Notice the distance between camera and poser?
You are dumber with every post...Ronnies pecs were better, this is not even debatable...
Has shit to do with shit , his pecs flatten out in this pose compared to Dorian , instead of just typing back up your point for a change.
Watch & learn
Dorian far away and Ronnie close up NOTHING changes , his pecs completely flatten out.
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97 compared to 98 only placed he ' improved ' was conditioning
1997 he was 255lbs , 1998 he was 249lbs
your numbers are incorrect.
he was bigger in 98 and 99 than he was in 97. and this is obvious in every comparison
hell, ronnie even stated in flex mag in 98 shortly after winning the O that he had been gaining 5 pounds of muscle per year for the last several years.
the only time he dropped weight was from the 2000 olympia to the 2001 AC.
hell, he looks like he gained 5 pounds on each QUAD alone: :o
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Has shit to do with shit , his pecs flatten out in this pose compared to Dorian , instead of just typing back up your point for a change.
Watch & learn
Dorian far away and Ronnie close up NOTHING changes , his pecs completely flatten out.
You arent right just because you post phrases such as "watch and learn" or "nothing changes".
See, what you post there is pure and clear shit, "completely flatten out"...Jesus, you sure know how to convince people, are you a lawyer of some sort?
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I mean, Coleman had no chest, riteguise? ::)
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so, a 300 inch waist thats 5 times thicker than ronnie's is better proportions LMAO! ::)
dorian doesn't even look like a bodybuilder in most shots LOL
;D
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;D
You are the single best poster to cherry pick pictures, congratulations, you are great at distortioning facts.
fuck my english
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You arent right just because you post phrases such as "watch and learn" or "nothing changes".
See, what you post there is pure and clear shit, "completely flatten out"...Jesus, you sure know how to convince people, are you a lawyer of some sort?
Again NO counter point , you don't offer anything in response. ::)
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Again NO counter point , you don't offer anything in response. ::)
In case you didnt learn any reading comprehension, my response in simple terma was
"your picture proves absolutely nothing and youre close to dilusional when talking about both of this bbers"
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I mean, Coleman had no chest, riteguise? ::)
See now you just played your hand. Who said he had no chest? ??? please post the part where I typed that , please quote me ;)
I said his pecs flatten out in the front double biceps shot and you post a picture of what? NOT a front double biceps shot , perhaps English isn't your first language if so I'll let your stupidity slide.
please ignore the bitch tits for another example
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Yates just completely pwns Coleman in all departments. Every time Hulkster posts a comparison he shoots himself in the foot. Love it!
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See now you just played your hand. Who said he had no chest? ??? please post the part where I typed that , please quote me ;)
I said his pecs flatten out in the front double biceps shot and you post a picture of what? NOT a front double biceps shot , perhaps English isn't your first language if so I'll let your stupidity slide.
please ignore the bitch tits for another example
You trying to discredit Ronnies pecs is hilarious, whether FDB, SC, whatever, its hilarious...Also I cherry picked a pic just to show how his pecs look in a non pec pose, fucking perfect.
Also "flatten out", yeah, keep in that reality inside your head...
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You are the single best poster to cherry pick pictures, congratulations, you are great at distortioning facts.
fuck my english
How would you know? either you're a gimmick ( yup ) or new ( nope ) if were new , you wouldn't know who is the single best poster to cherry pic pictures ;) and everyone knows that's Hulkster's title and I noticed you didn't mention him doing it oh because he agrees with you. ::)
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97 compared to 98 only placed he ' improved ' was conditioning
1997 he was 255lbs , 1998 he was 249lbs
If you were in my shoes you'd complain that "those pictures don't count" they "aren't reality" because they're "not on the same stage side by side at the same angle".
I'm sure hulkster will post pics of 97 vs 98 and "they won't count" for whatever reason.
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You trying to discredit Ronnies pecs is hilarious, whether FDB, SC, whatever, its hilarious...Also I cherry picked a pic just to show how his pecs look in a non pec pose, fucking perfect.
Also "flatten out", yeah, keep in that reality inside your head...
Discredit? I made an observation that his pecs flattened out in that pose , where is Dorian's did NOT. Go learn what the word ' discredit ' means.
I don't need to ' discredit ' Ronnie's bitch-tits ;D or his flattened out pecs , or his saggy pecs when unflexed
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I mean, Coleman had no chest, riteguise? ::)
Still waiting for you to show me where I said Coleman had no chest ;D
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If you were in my shoes you'd complain that "those pictures don't count" they "aren't reality" because they're "not on the same stage side by side at the same angle".
I'm sure hulkster will post pics of 97 vs 98 and "they won't count" for whatever reason.
Reality kid , welcome to it.
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Still waiting for you to show me where I said Coleman had no chest ;D
Again, you are trying to discredit, and his gyno is horrible, anything else?
Dont play semantic, please.
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Reality kid , welcome to it.
you lost the argument and tried to start over. why?
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Silly thing to say Hulkster
so, a 300 inch waist thats 5 times thicker than ronnie's is better proportions LMAO! ::)
dorian doesn't even look like a bodybuilder in most shots LOL
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Again, you are trying to discredit, and his gyno is horrible, anything else?
Dont play semantic, please.
Semantics? you're the one who implied I said Ronnie had no chest. nice try though.
You complained about the distance of the guy from the camera , I reversed it and it showed the same conclusion. You looked foolish because nothing changed and decided to play semantics games.
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ND won the argument before it even started. Coleman nut-huggers are just sad wankers who know nothing about bodybuilding.
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Semantics? you're the one who implied I said Ronnie had no chest. nice try though.
You complained about the distance of the guy from the camera , I reversed it and it showed the same conclusion. You looked foolish because nothing changed and decided to play semantics games.
"I reversed it and it showed the same conclusion"
You have proved, nothing, 0, nada, niet, besides horrible gyno. In a FDB Ronnies chest looks l perfect, maybe, if youre willing to go THAT ABSURDLY FAR, his clavicular "sinks" a tad on the inside, maybe, its still an effect of raised arms.
I dont really care, you seriously are near delusional when talking about proportions of bbers...Yates had NO ARMS, LESS BACK, a bigger waist and greatly inferior delts.
Now go on on how he beat Coleman...
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you lost the argument and tried to start over. why?
lol I ' lost ' you're in a Dorian Yates thread which has NOTHING to do with Ronnie trying to convince me Ronnie is better and I ' lost ' lol
I laugh at your silliness :D
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"I reversed it and it showed the same conclusion"
You have proved, nothing, 0, nada, niet, besides horrible gyno. In a FDB Ronnies chest looks l perfect, maybe, if youre willing to go THAT ABSURDLY FAR, his clavicular "sinks" a tad on the inside, maybe, its still an effect of raised arms.
I dont really care, you seriously are near delusional when talking about proportions of bbers...Yates had NO ARMS, LESS BACK, a bigger waist and greatly inferior delts.
Now go on on how he beat Coleman...
troll on brother ;) just come back under your real account. :D
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ND won the argument before it even started. Coleman nut-huggers are just sad wankers who know nothing about bodybuilding.
They all insist that they ' won ' but where are they? In yet another Dorian Yates thread trying so hard to prove he really is better than Dorian LMFAO
This is the thread title
Dorian Yates - 1995 Mr. Olympia - High Quality Scans!!!
Now it's ' NO RONNIE IS SO MUCH BETTER ' lmfao they don't believe that for a fucking second which is why they are here.
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They all insist that they ' won ' but where are they? In yet another Dorian Yates thread trying so hard to prove he really is better than Dorian LMFAO
This is the thread title
Dorian Yates - 1995 Mr. Olympia - High Quality Scans!!!
Now it's ' NO RONNIE IS SO MUCH BETTER ' lmfao they don't believe that for a fucking second which is why they are here.
Its funny you keep posting this as if its any sort of an argument...funny guy you indeed are.
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Its funny you keep posting this as if its any sort of an argument...funny guy you indeed are.
Who said it was any ' sort of an argument ' ? It was an observation , what trolling buffoons you all are.
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Who said it was any ' sort of an argument ' ? It was an observation , what trolling buffoons you all are.
Same pic, you are really boring, and wrong, which usually leads to people leaving you to post alone in threads like the autist delusioned guy you are
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Same pic, you are really boring, and wrong, which usually leads to people leaving you to post alone in threads like the autist delusioned guy you are
LMFAO people leaving me to post alone in threads , 20 pages Ronnie fanboys couldn't leave me alone if tried , YOU included. ;)
Keep proving me right troll ;D
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You are a bigger retard than I though, what do you think Conditioning means? How do you think Mass measures when compared side to side? Balance and Proportion wise Ronnie was still better all in all, completeness, well, its debatable, the lack of biceps is as bad as the lack of calves.
Thanks or being so stupid, keep on denying.
Fuck its like talking to 16 year olds...
No, youre the fucking retard that thinks detail = conditioning.
Conditioning means lack of fat and water, not separation and striations dumbass. Ronnie has striations when he's carrying 10% bodyfat, those things are genetic and are NOT indicative of conditioning you fucking moron, bodybuilder 101, maybe you should read it. :-\
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No, youre the fucking retard that thinks detail = conditioning.
Conditioning means lack of fat and water, not separation and striations dumbass. Ronnie has striations when he's carrying 10% bodyfat, those things are genetic and are NOT indicative of conditioning you fucking moron, bodybuilder 101, maybe you should read it. :-\
He's already posted in the Truce thread and now is back under this gimmick so let him cry ;D
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No, youre the fucking retard that thinks detail = conditioning.
Conditioning means lack of fat and water, not separation and striations dumbass. Ronnie has striations when he's carrying 10% bodyfat, those things are genetic and are NOT indicative of conditioning you fucking moron, bodybuilder 101, maybe you should read it. :-\
This is what the retard says:
-Lack of fat and water
-Doesnt translate into striations and separatios, which, the more mass and the less fat and water, are clearer.
-Having better separation and striation does not equatte better conditioning.
I hope you see how infinitely retarded you are and understand how stupid you are sounding, and this has nothing to do with Coleman vs Yates, this is you being absolutely stupid so the autist kid can keep on fighting that battle alone. Seriously, you are borderlining downs here.
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This is what the retard says:
-Lack of fat and water
-Doesnt translate into striations and separatios, which, the more mass and the less fat and water, are clearer.
-Having better separation and striation does not equatte better conditioning.
I hope you see how infinitely retarded you are and understand how stupid you are sounding, and this has nothing to do with Coleman vs Yates, this is you being absolutely stupid so the autist kid can keep on fighting that battle alone. Seriously, you are borderlining downs here.
Hahahahah idiot. Ronnie has striations when he's holding fat and water. You sir, are flat fucking wrong, no matter how many pics of your childhood you post.
If you cant figure out that you can have visible striations and separation and still be holding fat and water, then you sir are beyond hope and should just kill yourself now.
Fucking lawl, this fucking guy, what a moron.
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Hahahahah idiot. Ronnie has striations when he's holding fat and water. You sir, are flat fucking wrong, no matter how many pics of your childhood you post.
If you cant figure out that you can have visible striations and separation and still be holding fat and water, then you sir are beyond hope and should just kill yourself now.
Fucking lawl, this fucking guy, what a moron.
See, its funny, you post that you can have striations and separations at 10%, guess what Einstein, the less water and fat, the more visible they are, hence, the more separation and striations the better conditioning at any given level, be it a local competition or Mr O stage, side to side, the best with the best.
Im sorry a nobody is schooling you in physiology and bbing, but thats the way it goes these days when you rely on hormones and getbig instead of your own brains.
You are stupid, but definately funny.
Oh, and of course you can have striations at higher levels of bodyfat and water, nobody said the contrary, you can in fact see it everyday with lean people, mildly striated deltoids, abs definition, maybe even back definition and striation when flexing in several muscles, of course, not at the same level of an olympian, its relative.
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See, its funny, you post that you can have striations and separations at 10%, guess what Einstein, the less water and fat, the more visible they are, hence, the more separation and striations the better conditioning at any given level, be it a local competition or Mr O stage, side to side, the best with the best.
Im sorry a nobody is schooling you in physiology and bbing, but thats the way it goes these days when you rely on hormones and getbig instead of your own brains.
You are stupid, but definately funny.
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So wait... now its not that detail = conditioning, ??? ??? its that the better the conditioning = deeper and more obvious they appear?
Well no shit sherlock, way to go posting something that has NOTHING to do with the original argument and point out the incredibly obvious.
Your original attack was that because Ronnie is more detailed that somehow he has better conditioning, which is so retarded its not even funny. ::)
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So wait... now its not that detail = conditioning, ??? ??? its that the better the conditioning = deeper and more obvious they appear?
Well no shit sherlock, way to go posting something that has NOTHING to do with the original argument and point out the incredibly obvious.
Your original attack was that because Ronnie is more detailed that somehow he has better conditioning, which is so retarded its not even funny. ::)
;D
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So wait... now its not that detail = conditioning, ??? ??? its that the better the conditioning = deeper and more obvious they appear?
Well no shit sherlock, way to go posting something that has NOTHING to do with the original argument and point out the incredibly obvious.
Your original attack was that because Ronnie is more detailed that somehow he has better conditioning, which is so retarded its not even funny. ::)
We already established the following:
Conditioning = less fat and water
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation
Coolman had better striations and separations
Conclusion
Coolman had better conditioning
I know its hard, but just accept it, youll feel better after you assume your defeat. And yes, the attack stands, Coolman has better conditioning than Yates due to the logical deduction I just demonstrated.
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We already established the following:
Conditioning = less fat and water
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation
Coolman had better striations and separations
Conclusion
Coolman had better conditioning
I know its hard, but just accept it, youll feel better after you assume your defeat. And yes, the attack stands, Coolman has better conditioning than Yates due to the logical deduction I just demonstrated.
Peter McGough
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ummmm thanks for playing sport. ;)
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while ronnie overall was bigger than yates,after 2003,and had a couple bodyparts tht were better,i.e.biceps and chest,noway did he ever beat yates on conditioning.i doubt anyone at any size ever did.
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Peter McGough
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ummmm thanks for playing sport. ;)
Yeah but Mcgoo said the best he ever saw was Ronnie in 01 so case closed.
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Peter McGough
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ummmm thanks for playing sport. ;)
Dorian was simply more massive, more full, more thick, morew conditioned than Ronnie at his best.
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Did I just accidentally you Shockwave?
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Yeah but Mcgoo said the best he ever saw was Ronnie in 01 so case closed.
Miss this part?
I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
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Miss this part?
I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Yes, I saw that but that doesn't negate him saying Ronnie in 01 Arnold is the best he ever saw.
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Yes, I saw that but that doesn't negate him saying Ronnie in 01 Arnold is the best he ever saw.
Sure it does
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
Ronnie 2001 to small to touch Dorian
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Sure it does
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
Ronnie 2001 to small to touch Dorian
Too bad for you contests are judged on a stage...where it matters....keep stretching....only on this board does Ronnie V. Dorian cause such a stir...To the general bodybuilding community, Ronnie clearly wins...I'd still go with Haney though.
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Too bad for you contests are judged on a stage...where it matters....keep stretching....only on this board does Ronnie V. Dorian cause such a stir...To the general bodybuilding community, Ronnie clearly wins...I'd still go with Haney though.
True contests are judged on-stage but the general consensus is that's the best Dorian looked regardless
lots of boards have this debate thanks to me :-\
Ronnie or Lee couldn't handle this
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True contests are judged on-stage but the general consensus is that's the best Dorian looked regardless
lots of boards have this debate thanks to me :-\
Ronnie or Lee couldn't handle this
Haney = 8 Mr. O's
Ronnie = 8 Mr. O's
Dorian = 6 Mr. O's
And if you wanna go with being undefeated see Haney.
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the dorian pics were impressive for their time but many pics and series have long eclipsed those.
eg. these ones of ronnie at 275 pounds with equal conditioning, way better shape and a lot more cuts:
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no contest here:
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We already established the following:
Conditioning = less fat and water
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation
Coolman had better striations and separations
Conclusion
Coolman had better conditioning
I know its hard, but just accept it, youll feel better after you assume your defeat. And yes, the attack stands, Coolman has better conditioning than Yates due to the logical deduction I just demonstrated.
Hahaha, lol yeah keep posting your pics, doesnt change the fact youre making yourself look like a total fucking retard for trying to say that striations = conditioning, where its stated 1471890578390214 all over from all different kinds of media that it isnt so.
Case in point - offseason Ronnie has striations. Blows your whole theory to hell doesnt it?
Lol 2+2 definatley does not equal 4 for you, does it?
I know youre desperatly slamming your keys and posting pics trying to convince yourself your owning me, the fact is youre the utter moron that thinks striations and separation = conditioning. Lol.
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Im gonna go ahead and finish this so your will stop with annoying everyone with your bullshit nonsense.
Ronnie Offseason
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454047;image)
Dorian contest shape
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39993&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Same striations Ronnie has in contest shape, same separation (Not as visibly deep obviously), waaayyy higher bodyfat.
Dorians muscle does not have the same striations or separation yet clearly devoid of bodyfat and water.
So your whole argument of detail (striations and separation) = conditioning is fucking retarded, maybe you should try and accept the fact that you made yourself look like a total moron with all those little pics that reflected you, not me. Lol.
You cannot compare one mans striations to another and try and claim he was more conditioned because of them. Because some people have striations, super deep ones that appear even at high bodyfat.
Others dont, and that has next to nothing to do with bodyfat or water.
Case closed numbnuts.
So what have we learned?
Detail =/= Conditioning
Ha, ha, ha, thanks for playing broseph. ;) ;D
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Im gonna go ahead and finish this so your will stop with annoying everyone with your bullshit nonsense.
Ronnie Offseason
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454047;image)
Dorian contest shape
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39993&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Same striations Ronnie has in contest shape, same separation (Not as visibly deep obviously), waaayyy higher bodyfat.
Dorians muscle does not have the same striations or separation yet clearly devoid of bodyfat and water.
So your whole argument of detail (striations and separation) = conditioning is fucking retarded, maybe you should try and accept the fact that you made yourself look like a total moron with all those little pics that reflected you, not me. Lol.
You cannot compare one mans striations to another and try and claim he was more conditioned because of them. Because some people have striations, super deep ones that appear even at high bodyfat.
Others dont, and that has next to nothing to do with bodyfat or water.
Case closed numbnuts.
So what have we learned?
Detail =/= Conditioning
Ha, ha, ha, thanks for playing broseph. ;) ;D
lol yates is much closer to the camera here but still nasser's shoulder looks much bigger!!..
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the dorian pics were impressive for their time but many pics and series have long eclipsed those.
eg. these ones of ronnie at 275 pounds with equal conditioning, way better shape and a lot more cuts:
everybody looks harder and drier without oil.
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Since this thread is supposed to be about
Yates 1995 Mr. O scans/pics I've got a question.
Anyone have a theory as to why in the 1st pic,
(pre contest) his legs look incredible with great sweep;
and at the actual contest they weren't nearly as good
shape and size wise.
I still think Dorian had some of the best wheels of his era
but this kinda baffles me considering how smart he seems to be.
Can't imagine he couldn't hold 90-95% but it looks like he
lost more leg wise. It's the same in the vid too. Crappy
video but you can see from the 1st double bi shot the leg
sweep is not there like in the 1st pic.
This is one reason I like his 1993 look the best
9at least at prejudging. Another crappy video
but you can see the legs are on point in 93
prejudging vid.
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Corroborating evidence 8)
let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
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let's hear what other bodybuilding experts who saw them both had to say
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
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Corroborating evidence 8)
let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
hahahahahahahhahahahha EPIC PWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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let's hear what other bodybuilding experts who saw them both had to say
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Badda boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this silly arguement can be put to rest....I await ND response...lol
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Corroborating evidence 8)
let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
The thing that makes the argument for Ronnie having the best physique ever are the statements coming from the top bodybuilders that competed against both Dorian and Ronnie during their primes. They have seen both Dorian and Ronnie up close contest after contest and know more about bodybuilding than anyone of us will know about it.
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The thing that makes the argument for Ronnie having the best physique ever are the statements coming from the top bodybuilders that competed against both Dorian and Ronnie during their primes. They have seen both Dorian and Ronnie up close contest after contest and know more about bodybuilding than anyone of us will know about it.
but to be honest and neutral i feel that some of these bbs who selected ronnie as the best did so because they like him personally more than dorian..
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Haney = 8 Mr. O's
Ronnie = 8 Mr. O's
Dorian = 6 Mr. O's
And if you wanna go with being undefeated see Haney.
Did Haney face a career best Dorian? NO the 239 lb Dorian he did face still beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round. Dorian at his best would trample Haney
Ronnie at his best showing ever 1998 Mr Olympia just barely beat Flex Wheeler in one of the closest Mr Olympias ever , Dorian in 93 handed Flex his ass when he was closest to his career best , Dorian at his best would easily beat Ronnie 1998
The amount of Olympias is irrelevant , Dorian retired due to injury , if he didn't injured he would still be Mr Olympia.
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Corroborating evidence 8)
let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
Corroborating evidence 8)
Wrong popular opinion ;) and lets put it into context to boot.
Shawn Ray Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
This has what to do with Dorian? ??? this was Shawn commenting on Ronnie in 2003 and to add insult to injury he's flat out wrong , because Ronnie was beaten multiple times during his reign and Dorian never was ;)
And Shawn said Ronnie didn't deserve to win 1998 , that he was most improved and they should have an award for that but the Olympia title wasn't it , I'm sure you agree with Shawn here too? ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
He technically is the ' biggest , hardest , most shredded Mr Olympia in history ' this has nothing to do with Dorian. Flex has an opinion and again trying to use him as a reference is funny because he's also the same guy who said Ronnie didn't win the 99 Olympia and he did ;) Oh wait he also had Ronnie in first place after the prejudging in 2007 , Flex opinion is what it is
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Once again this is in reference to his dominate win at the 2003 Mr Olympia , it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates. No one since has lived up to the dominating standard that Dorian set in the 1990s , recall Ronnie was beat multiple times during his reign , Dorian never was.
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Now at least this is on the subject. His opinion and nothing wrong it , doesn't mean it's true. Just like it doesn't mean it's true when Lee Priest said Dorian would beat Ronnie , or Ernie Taylor , or Yates' training partner Leroy.
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage
See above , in top shape Ronnie is one of the best that ever stepped on stage
Nasser El Sonbaty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
See above , his opinion and he's entitled to it. but I can say two things , he was still bitter at Dorian for beating him and this is the same guy who claims he never injected synthol :-X
Francis Benfatto http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
See above , his opinion and he's entitled to it.
So what you have here is a few quotes that address the subject of Dorian and Ronnie , some that don't. NOT converging evidence that's popular opinion. and to say Ronnie is better because it's more popular isn't proof of anything , other than it being a popular assertion.
But you have always been fond of fallacious arguments ;)
Again we have people who absolutely do NOT feel Ronnie is the best of all-time ( again their opinion and entitled to it ) it may not be as popular but that doesn't change the fact. ( or make it right or wrong )
[ Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
[ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind
Again just because you have more people saying Ronnie is the greatest of all time ,doesn't make it a fact ( see argument ad populum )
Another counter point.
Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
Again doesn't make it right but to claim that because your opinion is more popular it is , is 5th grade argument material.
How about Arnold Schwarzenegger who said outright Flex Wheeler is the greatest physique he's ever seen?
How about all the Flex magazine polls that claim Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest of all-time? you wanna use popular opinion? or a bodybuilding.com poll to this day still has Arnold number one over Ronnie by a hefty margin , in fact almost twice the votes.
So to recap Neo , you do NOT have any ' converging evidence ' what you do have is a popular opinion and nothing else. congrats on not proving your point. ;)
2/10 sorry Neo you'll need to do better next time.
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Badda boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this silly arguement can be put to rest....I await ND response...lol
See above ;) popular opinion doesn't equal fact.
Look at this poll it directly contradicts Neo's claims , doesn't make it any more true than his popular opinion , to say otherwise is ignorant.
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The thing that makes the argument for Ronnie having the best physique ever are the statements coming from the top bodybuilders that competed against both Dorian and Ronnie during their primes. They have seen both Dorian and Ronnie up close contest after contest and know more about bodybuilding than anyone of us will know about it.
Ronnie said himself he couldn't beat Dorian , yet his opinion isn't counted. lots of people who are pros and experts don't see Ronnie has the best ever , again just because more do , doesn't make it true.
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More ' converging evidence ' Ronnie isn't the greatest off all time. ;D
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Dorian is simply the best. 8)
Shadow Warrior: The Dorian Yates Story (trailer)
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The amount of Olympias is irrelevant , Dorian retired due to injury , if he didn't injured he would still be Mr Olympia.
yeah, looking like this LOL ::)
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Hahaha, lol yeah keep posting your pics, doesnt change the fact youre making yourself look like a total fucking retard for trying to say that striations = conditioning, where its stated 1471890578390214 all over from all different kinds of media that it isnt so.
Case in point - offseason Ronnie has striations. Blows your whole theory to hell doesnt it?
Lol 2+2 definatley does not equal 4 for you, does it?
I know youre desperatly slamming your keys and posting pics trying to convince yourself your owning me, the fact is youre the utter moron that thinks striations and separation = conditioning. Lol.
Poor fella, notice how you are the only Dorian boy who keeps insisting on this, while we have moved on to the other subject, if my perfect demonstration wasnt enough I have news for you, very bad ones...You are the kind of people in bbing that make this video possible
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yeah, looking like this LOL ::)
LOL still kicked this guys ass that year and he's supposed to beat Dorian at his best? LMFAO
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ND, You are in the same class as Bobs now, your credibility is shot and youre just as delusional as he..Those were sad stretching rebuttals...Like Bobs, you have an answer for everything (now it's people are bitter with Dorian? lol) You keep your opinion and well live with the truth...LOL....I'm not wasting any more time on this NeoSeminole closed the book on this pathetic arguement. And now you look like a fool arguing against Weider, Ronnie and Dorians peers, and photographers, PEERS and PEOPLE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY is not POPULAR OPINION. FANS = POPULAR OPINION....It's so funny cause youre a smart guy yet blinded..hahahahahahahha haha....Keep fighting the good fight... ::)
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Poor fella, notice how you are the only Dorian boy who keeps insisting on this, while we have moved on to the other subject, if my perfect demonstration wasnt enough I have news for you, very bad ones...You are the kind of people in bbing that make this video possible
Lol, youre the one that keep broughting up fucknuts, and after my last post where I clearly showed are fucking dumb you are, now youre trying to say IM the one who keeps arguing when everyone else has moved on?
Maybe you didnt see the post of the others snickering at your stupidity, but youre the one that wouldnt let it go, lol.
Oh, and please don't project your own insecurities on me just because you epitomize the stereotype of an ignorant dumbass bodybuilder, lol.
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ND, You are in the same class as Bobs now, your credibility is shot and youre just as delusional as he...When those were sad stretching rebuttals...You keep your opinion and well live with the truth...LOL....I'm not wasting any more time on this NeoSeminole closed the book on this pathetic arguement. And now you look like a fool arguing against Weider, Ronnie and Dorians peers, and photographers....It's so funny cause youre a smart guy yet blinded..hahahahahahahha haha....Keep fighting the good fight... ::)
It's nothing more than popular opinion. And not everyone agrees or holds the same opinion in the end. People to this day still say Arnold is the best , not everyone feels Ronnie is the best , Ronnie himself says he couldn't beat Dorian in the end everyone has an opinion just because it's more popular doesn't mean it's true.
Arnold said Flex Wheeler is the best physique of all time , what makes him wrong and someone else right?
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ND, You are in the same class as Bobs now, your credibility is shot and youre just as delusional as he...When those were sad stretching rebuttals...You keep your opinion and well live with the truth...LOL....I'm not wasting any more time on this NeoSeminole closed the book on this pathetic arguement. And now you look like a fool arguing against Weider, Ronnie and Dorians peers, and photographers....It's so funny cause youre a smart guy yet blinded..hahahahahahahha haha....Keep fighting the good fight... ::)
I cringe evertime I see these arguments start - cause I know its just going to be a rehashing of the truce thread.
No one is ever going to convince anyone any different - I see Dorian as fitting the judging criteria better as does ND, others dont, and its going to stay that way.
Opinions are just that - opinions, and I feel that peoples opinions should not be used to try and prove shit because opinions change based on the day, the hour, who they just watched, how fresh it is in their mind, whos more popular at the time...
Rarely does peoples opinion actually represent who was better or why, moreso its a picture of whoever is more relevent at the time.
Hence Dorian being the fan favorite when Ronnie took over, and now that Ronnie is done, he is the current "legend who cant be beaten and the new kid will never be him"
Only way to come to a logical conclusion is to read whats written in stone (even if the judges dont always follow the written rules, lol) and match them up with the rules. Just my humble opinion (lol)
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Lol, youre the one that keep broughting up fucknuts, and after my last post where I clearly showed are fucking dumb you are, now youre trying to say IM the one who keeps arguing when everyone else has moved on?
Maybe you didnt see the post of the others snickering at your stupidity, but youre the one that wouldnt let it go, lol.
Oh, and please don't project your own insecurities on me just because you epitomize the stereotype of an ignorant dumbass bodybuilder, lol.
Oh really? I dont see any of that happening, some claim Dorian had better conditioning, some claim Coolman had better, I dont see anyone snickering on how I just handed your ass over definitions and bbing judging.
Even more, notice how the autistic kid ND just went on to fight/claim Dorian had better conditioniing, not controverting anything in that particular post. But well, you just keep sinking and insulting, its fun to watch.
Also, I am by no means a bodybuilder (lolsmall) and by the "tone" of your posts, you are a pretty angry man...
Also,
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It's nothing more than popular opinion. And not everyone agrees or holds the same opinion in the end. People to this day still say Arnold is the best , not everyone feels Ronnie is the best , Ronnie himself says he couldn't beat Dorian in the end everyone has an opinion just because it's more popular doesn't mean it's true.
Arnold said Flex Wheeler is the best physique of all time , what makes him wrong and someone else right?
Youre all over the place now Bobs....I mean ND...It's ok....shhhhhhhhh, go to sleep.....
Reread my response, I edited it.
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I see you convientley ignored this post, retard (Metabolic)
Oh, and you didnt post anything on bodybuilding judging, all you posted was that because Coleman had more "detail" that he somehow was more conditioned.
Maybe instead of just posting nonsense and claiming victory, you should refute the post below, lol.
Im gonna go ahead and finish this so your will stop with annoying everyone with your bullshit nonsense.
Ronnie Offseason
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454047;image)
Dorian contest shape
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39993&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Same striations Ronnie has in contest shape, same separation (Not as visibly deep obviously), waaayyy higher bodyfat.
Dorians muscle does not have the same striations or separation yet clearly devoid of bodyfat and water.
So your whole argument of detail (striations and separation) = conditioning is fucking retarded, maybe you should try and accept the fact that you made yourself look like a total moron with all those little pics that reflected you, not me. Lol.
You cannot compare one mans striations to another and try and claim he was more conditioned because of them. Because some people have striations, super deep ones that appear even at high bodyfat.
Others dont, and that has next to nothing to do with bodyfat or water.
Case closed numbnuts.
So what have we learned?
Detail =/= Conditioning
Ha, ha, ha, thanks for playing broseph. ;) ;D
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According to their ' logic ' this is converging evidence that Ronnie isn't the greatest ;D
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ND, You are in the same class as Bobs now, your credibility is shot and youre just as delusional as he..Those were sad stretching rebuttals...Like Bobs, you have an answer for everything (now it's people are bitter with Dorian? lol) You keep your opinion and well live with the truth...LOL....I'm not wasting any more time on this NeoSeminole closed the book on this pathetic arguement. And now you look like a fool arguing against Weider, Ronnie and Dorians peers, and photographers, PEERS and PEOPLE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY is not POPULAR OPINION. FANS = POPULAR OPINION....It's so funny cause youre a smart guy yet blinded..hahahahahahahha haha....Keep fighting the good fight... ::)
Not all photographers , PEERS and PEOPLE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY feel Ronnie is the best , I just proved to you otherwise , quotes from McGough , Samir , Richards , Ronnie himself , Priest , Leroy , Taylor , Arnold, you can't honestly claim that some how the quotes he posted matter and these don't
These has nothing to do with fans
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I see you convientley ignored this post, retard (Metabolic)
Oh, and you didnt post anything on bodybuilding judging, all you posted was that because Coleman had more "detail" that he somehow was more conditioned.
Maybe instead of just posting nonsense and claiming victory, you should refute the post below, lol.
I think you conviniently ignored this post, but I wont call you a retard, a retard wouldnt care if losing, you on th eother hand...:
"We already established the following:
Conditioning = less fat and water (you claimed so)
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation (you also claimed so)
Coolman had better striations and separations (you have insisted this is a true premise)
Conclusion
Coolman had better conditioning"
YEAH BUDDAY!!!
And of cours,e youre going to claim you never said those things...but wahetever I dont feel like starting this all over again.
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In regards to Haney v. Yates, it's the same argument you guys use for Ronnie v. Dorian. Dorian beat Ronnie not at Ronnie's best and Haney beat Dorian not at Dorians best. So pick and argument and stick with it. Durability is part of being the best and Dorians tears and injuries certainly count against him...(should have trained smarter) Same for Ronnie in the end with his tears. So yes Olympia wins do count.
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In regards to Haney v. Yates, it's the same argument you guys use for Ronnie v. Dorian. Dorian beat Ronnie not at Ronnie's best and Haney beat Dorian not at Dorians best. So pick and argument and stick with it. Durability is part of being the best and Dorians tears and injuries certainly count against him...(should have trained smarter) Same for Ronnie in the end with his tears. So yes Olympia wins do count.
If you wanna say who is better just based on Olympia wins and career wins , you'll get no argument from me that Ronnie is better according to this
If you wanna argue who is better at their best showing ever , Dorian IN MY OPINION wins , Dorian precontest 1993 will beat ANY version of Ronnie
Spare me the contests are won on-stage , we are strictly talking about their best showings and this is Dorian's best for a host of reasons, it doesn't matter if he walked on-stage like this.
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Not all photographers , PEERS and PEOPLE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY feel Ronnie is the best , I just proved to you otherwise , quotes from McGough , Samir , Richards , Ronnie himself , Priest , Leroy , Taylor , Arnold, you can't honestly claim that some how the quotes he posted matter and these don't
These has nothing to do with fans
You're never going to get 100% people to agree to things like this. Not everyone believes Jordan was the best. Doesnt change that when you look at his body of work he is...Don't use Ronnie's words against him cause he said that during his 2nd Mr. O win...Today Ronnie regards himself as the greatest of all time so quit playing games...You didnt prove anything with Mcgoo...We already addressed ON STAGE IS WHAT COUNTS....LOL...stop.... hahahhahah
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I think you conviniently ignored this post, but I wont call you a retard, a retard wouldnt care if losing, you on th eother hand...:
"We already established the following:
Conditioning = less fat and water (you claimed so)
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation (you also claimed so)
Coolman had better striations and separations (you have insisted this is a true premise)
Conclusion
Coolman had better conditioning
YEAH BUDDAY!!!
Lol savage logic broseph. No genius, less water and fat makes visible striations MORE visible, it does not add them. That is your fundamental flaw of logic and the place you cant seem to get off of.
Coleman genetically has more stiations, when he's holding more fat and water, and when he's in contest shape. He simply has them, where others dont. As I said, not indicative of conditioning in any way.
Youre trying to say that because Coleman has more striations means he's carrying less fat and water.... I dont even have the words to describe how rediculously hilarious that is.
Brutal logic bro, brutal logic. Coleman having more striations means he's better conditioned, LOL.
No wonder you ignored that post. Hahahaha :-\ ;)
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Lol savage logic broseph. No genius, less water and fat makes visible striations MORE visible, it does not add them. That is your fundamental flaw of logic and the place you cant seem to get off of.
Coleman genetically has more stiations, when he's holding more fat and water, and when he's in contest shape. He simply has them, where others dont. As I said, not indicative of conditioning in any way.
Youre trying to say that because Coleman has more striations means he's carrying less fat and water.... I dont even have the words to describe how rediculously hilarious that is.
Brutal logic bro, brutal logic. Coleman having more striations means he's better conditioned, LOL.
No wonder you ignored that post. Hahahaha :-\ ;)
1.- I never claimed it adds them, so thats that
2.- Genetically has more striations? Even if this were true, do you even understand what striations are? Do you know what muscle fibers are? Id guess you do know how this also relates to mass, not ONLY conditioning.
3.- Generally speaking a fat person will have less definition, separation, detailining, call it whatever, than a leaner person, this holds true also at lower levels of body fat. Because, whether you want to admit it or not, both Dorians and Coolmans muscles were protein muscles (did you know there are different types of muscle?) made up of the same type of muscle fibers.
By the way, this is turniing into a very interesting discussion about why do people talk about harder, denser muscle and softer muscle (SEO's aside). Bbers seem to be keen on this idea of muscle fibers being fundamentally different...
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In regards to Haney v. Yates, it's the same argument you guys use for Ronnie v. Dorian. Dorian beat Ronnie not at Ronnie's best and Haney beat Dorian not at Dorians best. So pick and argument and stick with it. Durability is part of being the best and Dorians tears and injuries certainly count against him...(should have trained smarter) Same for Ronnie in the end with his tears. So yes Olympia wins do count.
Eh... I dont believe O wins count on who would win, simply because you have to take into account who theyre competing against... In Ronnie's later years (01-06), he was essentially competing against cans, part of his legend was that he beat the competition by so far that it was a joke (which it was) not just because Ronnie was so good, but because his competition was so-so.
Ronnie won his later competitions simply by being the biggest, he didnt even have to come in shredded to win anymore.
So to say O wins counts,... eh.... Look at it this way, imagine if Ronnie had 24 O's and 10 of them were beating Jocelyn Pelletier over and over... would you really use those wins to try and justify who was better?
Of course not.
Also, since when talking about a "peak" physique, youre usually talking about 1 moment in time, not over a career.... in which case you have to look at who the person beat in their peak shape.
Ronnie 98 beat many of the same people Dorian did, and he looked great. So in that case, O wins go out the window and its simply a case of physique vs physique.
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Wrong popular opinion
sorry kiddo but you're wrong. Popular opinion would be an online poll among people who have never seen them in person
the consensus among IFBB pros who know the criteria better and have seen both men at their primes is that Ronnie > Dorian
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If you wanna say who is better just based on Olympia wins and career wins , you'll get no argument from me that Ronnie is better according to this
If you wanna argue who is better at their best showing ever , Dorian IN MY OPINION wins , Dorian precontest 1993 will beat ANY version of Ronnie
Spare me the contests are won on-stage , we are strictly talking about their best showings and this is Dorian's best for a host of reasons, it doesn't matter if he walked on-stage like this.
Well then this debate is over when youre stretching to photoshoots...lol
Haney is the best ever...undefeated in Mr. Os and he beat Dorian...Ronnie happens to have the best physique in a show being 2001 Arnold or 98 Olympia....Good Day.
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You're never going to get 100% people to agree to things like this. Not everyone believes Jordan was the best. Doesnt change that when you look at his body of work he is...Don't use Ronnie's words against him cause he said that during his 2nd Mr. O win...Today Ronnie regards himself as the greatest of all time so quit playing games...You didnt prove anything with Mcgoo...We already addressed ON STAGE IS WHAT COUNTS....LOL...stop.... hahahhahah
Not everyone shares the belief Ronnie is the best or would beat Dorian , just because more do , doesn't mean it's right. it's that simple. popular opinion is not fact.
No Ronnie said this later in his career as well it's not just at the beginning of it and he's said it multiple times , again it doesn't mean it's right but people hate it because they just can't imagine Ronnie would admit this , maybe he means it
Again if we're judging on career wins and Olympia , Ronnie is the greatest of all-time , you'll get no argument from me , doesn't have anything to do with Dorian at his best
on-stage matters only? NOPE when they looked their best matters and precontest 1993 Dorian is at his best for a multitude of reasons.
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1.- I never claimed it adds them, so thats that
2.- Genetically has more striations? Even if this were true, do you even understand what striations are? Do you know what muscle fibers are? Id guess you do know how this also relates to mass, not ONLY conditioning.
3.- Generally speaking a fat person will have less definition, separation, detailining, call it whatever, than a leaner person, this holds true also at lower levels of body fat. Because, whether you want to admit it or not, both Dorians and Coolmans muscles were protein muscles (did you know there are different types of muscle?) made up of the same type of muscle fibers.
By the way, this is turniing into a very interesting discussion about why do people talk about harder, denser muscle and softer muscle (SEO's aside). Bbers seem to be keen on this idea of muscle fibers being fundamentally different...
Less fat and water = more "detailing", striations, separation
The point here is, Dorian, in peak condition, had NO fat, NO water, and his muscle had a very smooth, dense, polished marble look. Yes, I understand what youre getting at, but for some reason you are trying to insinuate that if a person has more striations, deeper striations and deeper separation between muscles genetically (yes, genetically, not everyone has the same appearance to their muscles, some are more separated at higher bodyfat than others) that must mean they have lower bodyfat, which is not the case. Lower bodyfat will emphasize these things, but you cannot compare striations between 2 different individuals to compare conditioning, it doesnt work. It would it they both had the same striations, same muscle separation, but people dont. Genetically people are different. Their muscles look different, have different thickness, different densities of fibers.
Coleman, weather at higher bodyfat or not, always had more visible striations and deeper separation (giving him the appearance of being better conditioning than he really was, like you said better conditioning will enhance the appearance of those "details", since Coleman genetically has more and deeper striations and muscle separation, it give the illusion of being in better shape due to EXACTLY what you are arguing.)
That in an of itself should be enough to show you that you cannot judge conditioning based on detail.
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sorry kiddo but you're wrong. Popular opinion would be an online poll among people who have never seen them in person
the consensus among IFBB pros who know the criteria better and have seen both men at their primes is that Ronnie > Dorian
I know youre just trolling, but you cant believe that peoples opinions prove shit do you?
Cause people's opinions are going to be heavily slanted towards whoever is the most fresh in their memory and things they hear from others.
Thats why jury's are not allowed to speak or read anything about the person they are judging, for exactly that reason.
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Not everyone shares the belief Ronnie is the best or would beat Dorian , just because more do , doesn't mean it's right. it's that simple. popular opinion is not fact.
No Ronnie said this later in his career as well it's not just at the beginning of it and he's said it multiple times , again it doesn't mean it's right but people hate it because they just can't imagine Ronnie would admit this , maybe he means it
Again if we're judging on career wins and Olympia , Ronnie is the greatest of all-time , you'll get no argument from me , doesn't have anything to do with Dorian at his best
on-stage matters only? NOPE when they looked their best matters and precontest 1993 Dorian is at his best for a multitude of reasons.
Your arguments are the sign of a person who has lost...Sorry brah, why don't show me some quotes of people in the industry that said Dorian was the best ever...Not anyone else, but DORIAN....See the way things work with people that matter (peers and people in the industry, might I add Chick himself said, "it's Ronnie and it aint even close") it MAJORITY RULES....Let me guess.........Just cause majority rules doesn't mean it's right.....looooooooooooo oooooooooollllllllllzzzz zzzzzzzzzz.....You're done.
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sorry kiddo but you're wrong. Popular opinion would be an online poll among people who have never seen them in person
the consensus among IFBB pros who know the criteria better and have seen both men at their primes is that Ronnie > Dorian
You just shifted popular opinion of fans to the popular opinion of professionals , you can NOT escape this fact.
I already explained to you a lot of the guys you posted as people knowing the criteria DON'T , Shawn Ray said Ronnie should not have won in 1998 , proof he doesn't know the criteria , Flex Wheeler? said he won in 1999 and Ronnie was first after prejudging 2007 , proof he doesn't know the criteria , wanna keep going? your
Again there is no consensus among pros , I just posted quotes from professionals saying just the opposite , what you just did is say , I have more pros that agree so therefore he's better which is popular opinion
How many of those people said Ronnie at his best is better than Dorian 1993 precontest ? NONE , you purposely ignored the quotes from , McGough , Priest , Arnold , Leroy , Taylor , Richards , Samir , and Ronnie himself , all that carry the same weight as ANYONE you posted , what makes your quotes right and them wrong? NOTHING and you know it.
In the end you're clinging to popular opinion regardless of who it's from it's still an appeal to numbers
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ND, You are in the same class as Bobs now, your credibility is shot and youre just as delusional as he..Those were sad stretching rebuttals...Like Bobs, you have an answer for everything (now it's people are bitter with Dorian? lol) You keep your opinion and well live with the truth...LOL....I'm not wasting any more time on this NeoSeminole closed the book on this pathetic arguement. And now you look like a fool arguing against Weider, Ronnie and Dorians peers, and photographers, PEERS and PEOPLE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY is not POPULAR OPINION. FANS = POPULAR OPINION....It's so funny cause youre a smart guy yet blinded..hahahahahahahha haha....Keep fighting the good fight...
quoted for awesomeness. You know ND lost when the other side posts multiple quotes from bodybuilding experts, journalists, photographers, contest promoters, IFBB pros and the co-founder of the IFBB, and he responds by posting an internet popularity poll lmao
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Why don't post some quotes of the millions of industry insiders and pros stating Dorian was the best ever...I'd love to see those.
Like I said, not everyone will agree that Ronnie was the best but a majority overwhelmingly will and for you to try and discount that along with 8 Mr. O wins makes you look like a fool.
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Your arguments are the sign of a person who has lost...Sorry brah, why don't show me some quotes of people in the industry that said Dorian was the best ever...Not anyone else, but DORIAN....See the way things work with people that matter (peers and people in the industry, might I add Chick himself said, "it's Ronnie and it aint even close") it MAJORITY RULES....Let me guess.........Just cause majority rules doesn't mean it's right.....looooooooooooo oooooooooollllllllllzzzz zzzzzzzzzz.....You're done.
lol lost what? an argument of a subjective nature ? you sound like you don't know how to argue.
MAJORITY RULES? really? the minority judge contests not the majority , more fallacious arguments. A panel of just 13 judges decide who the best is not the MAJORITY , keep trying
Again , Ronnie feels Dorian is better his opinion carries more weight than ANYONE Neo posted. Among others it's not overwhelming that professionals feel Ronnie is better
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lol lost what? an argument of a subjective nature ? you sound like you don't know how to argue.
MAJORITY RULES? really? the minority judge contests not the majority , more fallacious arguments. A panel of just 13 judges decide who the best is not the MAJORITY , keep trying
Again , Ronnie feels Dorian is better his opinion carries more weight than ANYONE Neo posted. Among others it's not overwhelming that professionals feel Ronnie is better
So when I post an e-mail or video of Ronnie stating he is the best ever will you concede or come up with another excuse?
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quoted for awesomeness. You know ND lost when the other side posts multiple quotes from bodybuilding experts, journalists, photographers, contest promoters, IFBB pros and the co-founder of the IFBB, and he responds by posting an internet popularity poll lmao
That's not all I posted and typical with you when faced with facts you ignore them.
McGough , Priest , Arnold , Leroy , Taylor , Richards , Samir , and Ronnie himself
You look foolish when you type your popular opinion is somehow right when it's professionals and even more silly when not all of them feel that way ;)
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Headshake... this is why opinions are worthless, they can change moment to moment depending on how big their ego is, who theyre talking to, what they think the other person wants to hear....
Its all a bunch of shit. I say - fuck it.
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So when I post an e-mail or video of Ronnie stating he is the best ever will you concede or come up with another excuse?
Dorian said with Ronnie having 8 Olympia and the most wins of any bodybuilder he may be the best ever , it all depends on the context
I don't need excuses
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You just shifted popular opinion of fans to the popular opinion of professionals , you can NOT escape this fact
I educated you earlier about the exception to ad populum yet you still play a fool?
"Non-fallacious examples of the ad populum: the appeal is not irrelevant when what most persons believe or what the select few believe does in fact determine what is true. Conventional truth such as the definitions of words, standard use of symbols, styles, or political elections are typical examples where the appeal to the majority , the experts, or the people-in-the-know would be relevant and so would not be fallacious."
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Dorian said with Ronnie having 8 Olympia and the most wins of any bodybuilder he may be the best ever , it all depends on the context
I don't need excuses
Answer my question. WILL YOU CONCEDE IF I POST AN E-MAIL FROM RONNIE STATING HE IS THE BEST EVER?
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The point here is, Dorian, in peak condition, had NO fat, NO water, and his muscle had a very smooth, dense, polished marble look. Yes, I understand what youre getting at, but for some reason you are trying to insinuate that if a person has more striations, deeper striations and deeper separation between muscles genetically (yes, genetically, not everyone has the same appearance to their muscles, some are more separated at higher bodyfat than others) that must mean they have lower bodyfat, which is not the case. Lower bodyfat will emphasize these things, but you cannot compare striations between 2 different individuals to compare conditioning, it doesnt work. It would it they both had the same striations, same muscle separation, but people dont. Genetically people are different. Their muscles look different, have different thickness, different densities of fibers.
Coleman, weather at higher bodyfat or not, always had more visible striations and deeper separation (giving him the appearance of being better conditioning than he really was, like you said better conditioning will enhance the appearance of those "details", since Coleman genetically has more and deeper striations and muscle separation, it give the illusion of being in better shape due to EXACTLY what you are arguing.)
That in an of itself should be enough to show you that you cannot judge conditioning based on detail.
At least were getting somewhere now...
BBing is the most bullshit of contests, why? Because its based on appearances, and before you shout I am changing my point I will tell you Im not:
"you are trying to insinuate that if a person has more striations, deeper striations and deeper separation between muscles genetically (yes, genetically, not everyone has the same appearance to their muscles, some are more separated at higher bodyfat than others) that must mean they have lower bodyfat"
I am not trying to insinuate this, I am explicitly saying this; when you have to judge by the eye, whether in pictures or live, this kind of things tell. Ok, now were getting to the point in which youll claim that Dorian had genetically worse separation and striation, I am going to say this is utter nonsense because it makes no practical difference, even if there is a genetical difference, it is by no means subtantial, in any way, more substantial is water and fat (or lack there of) when JUDGING (keep in mind we are just judging with the eyes and I DONT care for the opinion of shitty magazines or other bbers).
So now we are at a point in which none will be able to prove the claim that genetics will play, or not, a visual difference, my claim is that is doesnt, at all, and that in fact, Coleman has been the man with the greatest conditioning due greatly to virtually no fat and water, and of course the other side of the story, the mass that pushes against the skin giving aiding more in the cuts and what not. Dorian was close, yes, but not quite. I do not see how the exact same muscle fibers, the relative same amount of mass and dehydration, are less of a factor that "genetics", in fact, year after year, people blame water or fat to the lack of detail, not genetics, because again, our protein muscles are made of the same muscle fibers. Also, genetics determine instertion points, shape of muscles, etc, how would it exactly play a role in striations?
Whatever though, this discussion leads to nowhere and it has been stretched far enough
Gooday.
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I educated you earlier about the exception to ad populum yet you still play a fool?
"Non-fallacious examples of the ad populum: the appeal is not irrelevant when what most persons believe or what the select few believe does in fact determine what is true. Conventional truth such as the definitions of words, standard use of symbols, styles, or political elections are typical examples where the appeal to the majority , the experts, or the people-in-the-know would be relevant and so would not be fallacious."
Again YOU FAIL
[ Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
[ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind
people in the know
Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
people in the know
How about Arnold Schwarzenegger who said outright Flex Wheeler is the greatest physique he's ever seen?
people in the know
How about the fact that Ronnie himself said Dorian would beat him on multiple occasions? people in the know
Peter McGough
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
people in the know
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
people in the know
NO exception there bro , you're claiming ( fallaciously I might add ) that because more of the ' people in the know ' agree with your point of view , that it is correct , you're right back where you started , popular opinion
popular opinion and majority DO NOT judge contests the minority do. if 13 IFBB judges said Ronnie Coleman at his best beats Dorian precontest 1993 , then I would be wrong and admit so. and they haven't
keep clinging to popular opinion it's all you have because you did a piss-poor job at knowing/comprehending/using the IFBB criteria to present a cognizant , coherent , argument for Ronnie being better and you hedged all your bets on popular opinion
Again you failed there too.
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Answer my question. WILL YOU CONCEDE IF I POST AN E-MAIL FROM RONNIE STATING HE IS THE BEST EVER?
Oh Ronnie is somehow now a credible , reliable source when ( and if ) he agrees with your point?
Even though Ronnie said that Dorian would beat him multiple times I always maintained that it doesn't make it true or a fact , so even if Ronnie said he would beat Dorian , it doesn't make it true .
if you can post 13 different judges saying Ronnie Coleman at his career best beats Dorian Yates precontest 1993 , I would concede. Good luck with that.
And even if the judges did pick Ronnie I would have made a point anyway , and that's all the fanboys who scoff at the idea of Dorian being even mentioned in the same breath as Ronnie ' as if ' ::)
Dorian was untouchable during his reign , Ronnie wasn't he was beaten several times. Ronnie is hugely popular , partly because of his underdog status and Olympia wins and his training videos sealed the deal for a lot of people , this MYTH that Ronnie was unbeatable and untouchable is just that a myth , reality is ANY version of Ronnie , despite the outcome would have a fuck of a time beating Dorian.
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That's not all I posted and typical with you when faced with facts you ignore them.
McGough , Priest , Arnold , Leroy , Taylor , Richards , Samir , and Ronnie himself
McGough said Ronnie had the best physique ever, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
Priest said Ronnie had better symmetry, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
Where is the quote from Arnold so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
The quote from Ernie Taylor was taken right after the 98 Mr. Olympia. So it's irrelevant b/c it doesn't include the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. O
Richards? lmao
Where is the quote from Samir so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
Ronnie? The same guy who said he has better back than Dorian and would beat Dorian if they competed during Ronnie's prime?
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Again YOU FAIL
actually, you fail b/c here is what I see:
1 anonymous quote that doesn't disprove sh*t
1 quote from Victor Richards. Enough said, lol
1 irrelevant quote from Arnold that doesn't pertain to this discussion
2 quotes from Peter McGough that don't say Dorian would beat Ronnie. Only that it would be close
so what did you accomplish with your post? Nothing
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Also, you better step your game up ND. I'm going to stop acknowledging quotes you post without sources
that's some elementary grade bullsh*t. I don't know how you passed high school without learning how to cite
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Jesus christ people.
This is a thread about Yates 95 scans.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40025&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Metabolic - as this
trollfest argument has shifted to actual conversation and not just 2 people trolling each other, I will respond later when I have more time.
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Oh Ronnie is somehow now a credible , reliable source when ( and if ) he agrees with your point?
Even though Ronnie said that Dorian would beat him multiple times I always maintained that it doesn't make it true or a fact , so even if Ronnie said he would beat Dorian , it doesn't make it true .
if you can post 13 different judges saying Ronnie Coleman at his career best beats Dorian Yates precontest 1993 , I would concede. Good luck with that.
And even if the judges did pick Ronnie I would have made a point anyway , and that's all the fanboys who scoff at the idea of Dorian being even mentioned in the same breath as Ronnie ' as if ' ::)
Dorian was untouchable during his reign , Ronnie wasn't he was beaten several times. Ronnie is hugely popular , partly because of his underdog status and Olympia wins and his training videos sealed the deal for a lot of people , this MYTH that Ronnie was unbeatable and untouchable is just that a myth , reality is ANY version of Ronnie , despite the outcome would have a fuck of a time beating Dorian.
That's what I thought.... ::)
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Dorian slaughtering Kevin in the side tri (even though Levrone has bigger tri's)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39995&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Shame about the torn bi, otherwise this FDB would be almost perfect.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40006&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Holy back thickness batman. :o
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40008&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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not as thick as this:
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Nasser :-\ :-\
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40042&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40041&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Best FLS of all time?
Yes.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40028&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Dorian's fans are just stupid fucking trolls, that's all.
Of course Ronnie destroys this shit but he is not even the only one, Dorian had one of the uggliest physique ever.
Worst Mr Olympia to me. :-X
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not as thick as this:
No one cares Hulkster, youre like a child jumping up and down in front of the TV trying desperatley to get their parents attention.
"Look at me, look at me!!! Ronnie was really better, really, if you just look here youll see the truth, stop paying attention to Dorian, stop it!! Pay attention to Ronnie!! Pay attention to me!!!" ;D ;)
You have no reason to be in a Dorian thread trying to steal attention away from him, you should know by now that people who are fans of Dorian are not going to suddenly decide they like Ronnie better because you desperatley post the same 14179803571 pics in every thread.
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Shredded, dry, and dense, arguably the most conditioned Mr. Olympia in history.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40070&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40066&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Best FLS evar.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40090&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40095&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Dorian destroying Levrone. Chest thickness on Dorian is slaughtering Levrone.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40101&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Again, Nasser's back... :-\
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40095&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40112&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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I hate how people hate on Cutler, he was something, sometime.
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McGough said Ronnie had the best physique ever, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
Priest said Ronnie had better symmetry, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
Where is the quote from Arnold so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
The quote from Ernie Taylor was taken right after the 98 Mr. Olympia. So it's irrelevant b/c it doesn't include the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. O
Richards? lmao
Where is the quote from Samir so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
Ronnie? The same guy who said he has better back than Dorian and would beat Dorian if they competed during Ronnie's prime?
McGough said Ronnie had the best physique ever, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
You're gonna take a beaten on this one kid lol. 1) you're now reduced to attacking the ' people in the knows ' credibility
2) McGough said Ronnie had the best physique ever ON-STAGE and the best he ever seen was Dorian OFF-STAGE , again you're a hypocrite who dismissed him when he said Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian , it's YOU my dimwitted friend who removed any confidence in his credibility when you said he was flat out wrong , now you need him to be right lol
3) McGough said that he doesn't think Ronnie at his best could beat Dorian
4) popular opinion is still popular opinion no matter who it's coming from , fans or ' people in the know '
Priest said Ronnie had better symmetry, which you disagreed with thus removing any confidence you had in his credibility
Priest said Dorian would beat Ronnie , now you're reduced to clinging to anything , YOU claimed all the ' people in the know ' agree with you , I proved you flat out wrong.
Where is the quote from Arnold so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
In Flex Wheeler's book , after seeing Flex 1993 Arnold Classic
The quote from Ernie Taylor was taken right after the 98 Mr. Olympia. So it's irrelevant b/c it doesn't include the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. O
WRONG again , it counts and why? he's a ' person in the know ' all the people in the know agree with your opinion and it's simply not true , Ronnie himself said 4 times now 1998 was his best , he's a person in the know , he knows more than you.
Richards? lmao
Ryan Mackie and Greg Valentino lmao , you tried using these two people as ' people in the know ' more very weak logic from you
Where is the quote from Samir so I can see what he said? And provide a source with the year
On bodybuilding.com , you look for it very recent , been posted before
Ronnie? The same guy who said he has better back than Dorian and would beat Dorian if they competed during Ronnie's prime?
Yes the same guy who said on multiple occasions that Dorian would beat him. If Dorian entered this contest ( I believe 98 ) who would have won? Ronnie: Dorian. Interviewer: you think so? Ronnie: I KNOW SO.
Again you're now reduced to claiming the people in the know are wrong , while ignoring the fact that the people you cling to as references and ' converging evidence ' aren't fantastic sources , Flex? said he beat Ronnie in 1999 also had Ronnie in first after the prejudging in 2007 , goes to show what he knows about judging .
Shawn Ray? Said Ronnie should have won an award for most improved in 1998 but the Olympia title should NOT have been that , said Ronnie has flaws you don't see on his or Flex's physiques , wanna use him as a reference?
See I could do what you just tried to do attack the ' people in the know ' ( lol Ryan Mackie LMFAO ) but that shifts us away from the original point
YOU don't have all the experts agreeing with your popular opinion. And in the end that's all you got kid
you get a
1/10 for trying to shift the topic
I have people saying Ronnie isn't the greatest , and Dorian would beat him , you have more saying he is/would , congrats on your popular opinion. lol
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No biceps? HA! Slighlty undersized? Yes. No biceps, I think not.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40111&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Torn Bi... :-\ :-[
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40124&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40154&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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actually, you fail b/c here is what I see:
1 anonymous quote that doesn't disprove sh*t
1 quote from Victor Richards. Enough said, lol
1 irrelevant quote from Arnold that doesn't pertain to this discussion
2 quotes from Peter McGough that don't say Dorian would beat Ronnie. Only that it would be close
so what did you accomplish with your post? Nothing
There you go , you were just proven wrong that you don't corner the market on opinions from ' people in the know ' and now what do you have left? attack the people in the know lol
anonymous quotes? I don't make shit up kid , if I typed it it's golden , I don't care enough to post the source
Vic Richards , enough said? you're the guy who used Ryan Mackie ( who? exactly ) as Greg Valentino LMFAO you're a hypocrite with a selective memory
The quote from Arnold is relevant , how? Ronnie having the greatest physique of all time , he certainly doesn't feel that way , said Flex is bar none , again when faced with people in the know and it contradicts your point or view , dismiss the source not the first time wont be the last
McGough said he doesn't think Ronnie could beat Dorian , heavy ( 03 ) or light ( 01 ) again also pertains to , the best physique , Ronnie 2001 ( which contradicts your bullshit claim 03 hehehehe ) and Dorian precontest , so again a person in the know saying Dorian has the best physique he;'s ever seen
You wanted an out because I proved you wrong that you have all the sources saying Ronnie is the greatest ever and Ronnie would beat Dorian , I will give you this kid , you may have more but in the end you still only have a more popular opinion lol
Keep chasing your tail Neo , you're not smart enough to run with the big dogs 8)
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Also, you better step your game up ND. I'm going to stop acknowledging quotes you post without sources
that's some elementary grade bullsh*t. I don't know how you passed high school without learning how to cite
That's rich coming from the kid who manipulates quotes and posts them out of context.
0/10 Neo you're failing this semester kid.
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Dorian's fans are just stupid fucking trolls, that's all.
Of course Ronnie destroys this shit but he is not even the only one, Dorian had one of the uggliest physique ever.
Worst Mr Olympia to me. :-X
Irony alert , Ronnie fans in a Dorian Yates thread claiming Yates fans are trolls LMFAO
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Complete head to toe - one of the best ab thighs for a big guy - arguably the best ab thigh ever for a big guy.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39552&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39518&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=20)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39504&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Again - one of the best side tri poses ever - Dorian didnt have the prettiest muscles, but the whole is definatley more than the sum of its parts.
Dorian's physique was complete, huge, and shredded head to toe
(http://muscletime.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_thumbnails/pro_bodybuilding_12505/olympia_contest_12495/1993_olympia_8031/contest_3704/1993-mr-olympia-149-dorian-yates_20090830_1783230583.jpg)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39507&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Dorian pwning guys twice his size
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Rediculous back
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39564&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Awesome FDB even with his "weak" biceps, textbook perfect head to toe, complete, huge, shredded, balanced.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39645&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39619&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39573&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Weak Bi's? I think not.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39642&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39648&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Best FLS ever.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39647&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
More than holding his own with Wheeler
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39583&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Schooling Wheeler and Ray
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39572&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Dominance personified
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39576&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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You're gonna take a beaten on this one kid lol. 1) you're now reduced to attacking the ' people in the knows ' credibility
2) McGough said Ronnie had the best physique ever ON-STAGE and the best he ever seen was Dorian OFF-STAGE , again you're a hypocrite who dismissed him when he said Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian , it's YOU my dimwitted friend who removed any confidence in his credibility when you said he was flat out wrong , now you need him to be right lol
3) McGough said that he doesn't think Ronnie at his best could beat Dorian
sorry but your own quotes disagree with you
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Peter McGough explicitly says the best physique he ever saw was 01 ASC Ronnie. Nowhere does he say Dorian is better. In fact, all it says is that it's closer than he originally thought
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
where does he say Dorian's physique is the best he ever saw? All it says is that 01 ASC Ronnie is the best he ever saw and the only other bodybuilding who is a contender would be 93 pre-contest Dorian. Notice that he uses the word "contender" and doesn't flat out say Dorian is the best ever like he said for Ronnie ;)
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Jesus christ dont you guys ever get tired of posting the same quotes over and over?
You guys know youre not going to convince the other of anything.
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Irony alert , Ronnie fans in a Dorian Yates thread claiming Yates fans are trolls LMFAO
I'm not a Ronnie's fan morron. Stop believing the world is separated between Dorian's fans and Ronnie's fans.
The main difference between Ronnie and Dorian, is that Ronnie looked like the shit at the end of his career whereas Dorian has always looked like shit.
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sorry but your own quotes disagree with you
While Im on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnies at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that 14 years after it happened I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. Im now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Peter McGough explicitly says the best physique he ever saw was 01 ASC Ronnie. Nowhere does he say Dorian is better. In fact, all it says is that it's closer than he originally thought
Priest said Dorian would beat Ronnie , now you're reduced to clinging to anything , YOU claimed all the ' people in the know ' agree with you , I proved you flat out wrong.
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
where does he say Dorian's physique is the best he ever saw? All it says is that 01 ASC Ronnie is the best he ever saw and the only other bodybuilding who is a contender would be 93 pre-contest Dorian. Notice that he uses the word "contender" and doesn't flat out say Dorian is the best ever like he said for Ronnie ;)
Oh the old semantics game now lol you're just rolling out all the weakest ' arguments '
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
Your quote , you like McGough now but before he was an ' idiot ' hypocrite.
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Jesus christ dont you guys ever get tired of posting the same quotes over and over?
nope. It's fun watching ND meltdown every time his quotes backfire on him
he used to quote IFBB pros who said Dorian had a better back. Then came quotes from the pros saying Ronnie is better
he used to quote Flex magazine which was his bodybuilding bible. Then Flex mag said Ronnie is better
he used to quote Ronnie as saying Dorian had a better back. Then Ronnie said he has a better back than Dorian
now ND is reduced to quoting online popularity contests and old articles from 98 and 99, lol
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Of course Dorian doesn't surpass Ronnie's conditioning , when the pictures are sharpened all to hell LMFAO
Look this proves McGough wrong , this heavily sharpened black & white image lol add this to the list of fallacious arguments ;D
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Of course Dorian doesn't surpass Ronnie's conditioning , when the pictures are sharpened all to hell LMFAO
Look this proves McGough wrong , this heavily sharpened black & white image lol add this to the list of fallacious arguments
thanks for playing ;)
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Flex magazine and Ronnie both know who has the best back ever
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nope. It's fun watching ND meltdown every time his quotes backfire on him
he used to quote IFBB pros who said Dorian had a better back. Then came quotes from the pros saying Ronnie is better
he used to quote Flex magazine which was his bodybuilding bible. Then Flex mag said Ronnie is better
he used to quote Ronnie as saying Dorian had a better back. Then Ronnie said he has a better back than Dorian
now ND is reduced to quoting online popularity contests and old articles from 98 and 99, lol
nope. It's fun watching ND meltdown every time his quotes backfire on him
Irony alert , Neo in another Yates thread trying to prove his popular opinion is fact lol
he used to quote IFBB pros who said Dorian had a better back. Then came quotes from the pros saying Ronnie is better
subjective opinion anyone? oh wait I thought Neo had all the ' people in the know ' looks like I proved you wrong.
he used to quote Flex magazine which was his bodybuilding bible. Then Flex mag said Ronnie is better
That's you guys interpretation and mistakenly , I never once claimed Flex was the bible , I said the criteria was , criteria you never knew , it's always been me explaining to YOU how contests go.
he used to quote Ronnie as saying Dorian had a better back. Then Ronnie said he has a better back than Dorian
Oh Ronnie is a credible source now? because YOU dismissed him so many times as one , poor hypocrite still chasing your tail in circles , Ronnie is right NO Ronnie is wrong NO Ronnie is right NO Ronnie is wrong lol
now ND is reduced to quoting online popularity contests and old articles from 98 and 99, lol
That's not all I posted and wrong again , one of from 2008 oppssss ;) and I posted many quotes from the ' people in the know ' that contradict your ' people in the know ' but some how , your ' people in the know ' are right ( because there are more ) then my ' people in the know '
Now Neo is reduced to trying to prove Ronnie really was better in yet another Dorian Yates thread , using contradictory sources , pleas to popularity , over sharpened pics , out-of-context quotes
Congrats Neo LMMFAO you proved a point here but it's not the one you intended. ;D
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thanks for playing ;)
Awwww don't like using the worked one anymore when people who don't even care pointed it out? lol
thanks for playing is right , playing the worked photo game ;D
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ND on damage control ;D
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Awwww don't like using the worked one anymore when people who don't even care pointed it out? lol
thanks for playing is right , playing the worked photo game
who said I don't like using it? ??? I love that pic b/c it sums up why Ronnie is better
I was just showing you I have more pics of Ronnie hitting a BDB
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destroy him Neo...He's a bumbling mess and it's hilarious.
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who said I don't like using it? ??? I love that pic b/c it sums up why Ronnie is better
I was just showing you I have more pics of Ronnie hitting a BDB
Yeah and NONE look like the sharpened one , it's no wonder why you made this quote lol
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
Dorian would make him look petite , unbalanced and incomplete
269lbs vs 247lbs
Dorian bigger , harder , drier , better balanced and more complete. ;)
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Dorian would make him look petite , unbalanced and incomplete
269lbs vs 247lbs
lol
when dorian stepped onstage weighing anything near 269 pounds he looked like THIS:
the higher his weight the worse he often looked, much like Ronnie
so think again. your argument makes no sense.
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Yeah and NONE look like the sharpened one , it's no wonder why you made this quote lol
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
ironic coming from the guy who disagreed with McGough's assessment that 97 Ronnie had a better back than Dorian that year, or that 01 ASC Ronnie has the best physique he ever saw, or that Ronnie has the best back in history
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lol
when dorian stepped onstage weighing anything near 269 pounds he looked like THIS:
the higher his weight the worse he often looked, much like Ronnie
so think again. your argument makes no sense.
LMFAO When Dorian stepped onstage weighing anything near 269lbs he kicks Ronnie's ass LMFAO epic fail genius
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ironic coming from the guy who disagreed with McGough's assessment that 97 Ronnie had a better back than Dorian that year, or that 01 ASC Ronnie has the best physique he ever saw, or that Ronnie has the best back in history
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
Awww now he's right :D
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No Neo according to YOU Peter McGough is an ' idiot ' lol
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
I love running your nose in your own shit kid. ;)
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I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning
Awww now he's right
lol, notice that you're the only one quoting Peter McGough. I've been quoting Flex magazine which represents the collective opinion of their journalists, editors, photographers, and staff
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dont compare negros to whites
if close contest,
judges will give it to the "white hope" anyway
dorian = best white mr O (because arnold didn t have humatrope)
ronnie = best negro mr O (because flex was a lazy fucker)
i like both , very entertaining and ABSOLUTELY unbeatable in their 4-5 best showings
arnold, haney, dorian, ronnie are all top of the top
all others can t touch them
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lol, notice that you're the only one quoting Peter McGough. I've been quoting Flex magazine which represents the collective opinion of their journalists, editors, photographers, and staff
And? according to you he's an ' idiot ' and he was the editor in chief of Flex magazine. ;)
You hinged everything you had on popular opinion and still came up short , you supplemented that with enhanced pictures , out of context quotes , and contradictory statements. In the end you're in another Dorian Yates thread trying to say he was better because he was popular
You tried to use the IFBB criteria , which you didn't even know and when I tore you apart for being ignorant , now this is what you have trolling in a Yates thread .
You = fail on all levels.
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ND, since you love to quote Peter McGough and you think he's an expert on bodybuilding, do you agree with his assertion that 97 Ronnie had a better back than Dorian that year or that Ronnie has the best back ever? Yes or no?
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ND, since you love to quote Peter McGough and you think he's an expert on bodybuilding, do you agree with his assertion that 97 Ronnie had a better back than Dorian that year or that Ronnie has the best back ever?
I wouldn't say he's an ' idiot ' ;D
And he said Ronnie had a better back double biceps pose in 97 and Dorian was in rough shape.
Unlike you who claimed ' if you use one quote from someone you are now bound to all of them '
I don't agree with everything McGough says , Ronnie beat a career worse Dorian in a pose according to him , I don't have a problem with that. Dorian at his best now that's another story.
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dont compare negros to whites
if close contest,
judges will give it to the "white hope" anywaydorian = best white mr O (because arnold didn t have humatrope)
ronnie = best negro mr O (because flex was a lazy fucker)
i like both , very entertaining and ABSOLUTELY unbeatable in their 4-5 best showings
arnold, haney, dorian, ronnie are all top of the top
all others can t touch them
Great point, forgot about that.
And you know it would be close between the two.
Lol.
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I wouldn't say he's an ' idiot '
And he said Ronnie had a better back double biceps pose in 97 and Dorian was in rough shape.
Unlike you who claimed ' if you use one quote from someone you are now bound to all of them '
I don't agree with everything McGough says , Ronnie beat a career worse Dorian in a pose according to him , I don't have a problem with that. Dorian at his best now that's another story.
epic dodging the question. Do you agree? Yes or no?
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It's like I said countless and countless times , over-and-over again
Dorian would beat Ronnie because................. ............ he simply meets more of ALL of the judging criteria better than Ronnie does
using a ' person in the know ' Arnold Schwarzenegger from his encyclopedia of bodybuilding
on the rear lat spread if nothing happened when they flexed their calves the whole effect would be ruined ;D this applies to the back double biceps as well or any pose , sorry Ronnie
Dorian simply wins to many mandatories
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epic dodging the question. Do you agree? Yes or no?
I didn't dodge the question , I said I had no problem with that. The judges decided Ronnie didn't touch Dorian in this pose and in the end they are the only ones who matter.
Not popular opinion.
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I didn't dodge the question , I said I had no problem with that. The judges decided Ronnie didn't touch Dorian in this pose and in the end they are the only ones who matter.
Not popular opinion
Yes or no?
saying "I don't have a problem with that" is a roundabout way of saying you disagree without incriminating yourself
i.e. you don't think Peter McGough is a credible source but you continue to post quotes from him b/c that's all you got
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Yes or no?
saying "I don't have a problem with that" is a roundabout way of saying you disagree without incriminating yourself
i.e. you don't think Peter McGough is a credible source but you continue to post quotes from him b/c that's all you got
Oh please , you're the guy who says he's an ' idiot ' and then tries to use his words. give me a break.
Again , unlike your dumb logic I don't automatically become bound to everything he says. He's entitled to his opinion like all of your ' people in the know ' but it doesn't make it fact. In the end the judges hold all the cards.
You don't think he's a credible source , oh wait you do , but wait you called him an ' idiot ' ::) but wait he says this part of Ronnie is better , so he's not an ' idiot ' anymore.
Kid you bring a host or really dumb logic and reasoning with your posts , along with worked pictures and worked quotes. You realized you couldn't compete using the criteria and switched to popular opinion
Where are you Neo? in another Yates thread trying to prove to me that Ronnie is better. Again you failed on all levels .
Keep trying I'll keep exposing you.
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Ronnie where your calves at? according to a ' person in the know ' Arnold , the whole pose if ruined.
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but to be honest and neutral i feel that some of these bbs who selected ronnie as the best did so because they like him personally more than dorian..
Who knows, but I'd rather take their word for it than argue on the internet all day long. These opinions are coming from current and former bodybuilders, judges, bodybuilding experts, writers and photographers.
Bodybuilders, judges, bodybuilding experts, writers, photographers opinions have more weight than bodybuilding fans on message boards.
Just look who the quotes are coming from in Ronnie's favour LOL:
Joe Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Ben Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Dorian Yates Pro Bodybuilder
Flex Wheeler Pro Bodybuilder
Nasser El Sonbaty Pro Bodybuilder
Francis Benfatto Pro Bodybuilder
Paul Dillet Pro Bodybuilder
Jay Cutler Pro Bodybuilder
Dexter Jackson Pro Bodybuilder
Shawn Ray Pro Bodybuilder
Victor Martinez Pro Bodybuilder
Milos Sarcev Pro Bodybuilder
John Hansen: - 2 Time Natural Mr.Universe, Natural Mr. Olympia Winner
Bob Cicherillo: Pro Bodybuilder
Gunter Schlierkamp Pro Bodybuilder
Melvin Anthony Pro Bodybuilder
Mike Mattarazo Pro Bodybuilder
Jean Pierre Fux Pro Bodybuilder
Dave Palumbo - Bodybuilder
Craig Titus Pro Bodybuilder
Eryk Bui Pro Bodybuilder
Quincy Taylor Pro Bodybuilder
Branch Warren - Pro Bodybuilder
Stan McCrary - Pro Bodybuilder
Craig Richardson - Pro Bodybuilder
Chris Cormier - Pro Bodybuilder
Aaron Baker - Pro Bodybuilder
Don Long - Pro Bodybuilder
King Kamali - Pro Bodybuilder
Charles Glass - Pro Bodybuilder/Pro Trainer
Ron Harris - Bodybuilder/Writer
Joe McNeal - Pro Trainer
Peter McGough - Flex Magazine Writer - One of the world's most renowned experts in the sport of bodybuilding.
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
Dan Soloman - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Host
Ron Harris Bodybuilder/Writer
Shawn Perine - Flex Magazine Senior Writer
Steve Blechman - MD publisher/Owner
Ryan Mackie - Bodybuilding.com Writer
Allan Donnelly Flex Magazine Writer
George De Pirro - Flex Magazine Senior Editor
David Robson Bodybuilder, Martial Artist, Accredited Personal Trainer and Writer
Myron Mielke Bodybuilder/Writer
Raymond Cassar Muscle Time Writer/Photographer
Lonnie Taper - Bodybuilding Expert/Iron Man Magazine writer
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Who knows, but I'd rather take their word for it than argue on the internet all day long. These opinions are coming from current and former bodybuilders, judges, bodybuilding experts, writers and photographers.
Bodybuilders, judges, bodybuilding experts, writers, photographers opinions have more weight than bodybuilding fans on message boards.
Just look who the quotes are coming from in Ronnie's favour LOL:
Joe Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Ben Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Dorian Yates Pro Bodybuilder
Flex Wheeler Pro Bodybuilder
Paul Dillet Pro Bodybuilder
Jay Cutler Pro Bodybuilder
Dexter Jackson Pro Bodybuilder
Shawn Ray Pro Bodybuilder
Victor Martinez Pro Bodybuilder
Milos Sarcev Pro Bodybuilder
John Hansen: - 2 Time Natural Mr.Universe, Natural Mr. Olympia Winner
Bob Cicherillo: Pro Bodybuilder
Gunter Schlierkamp Pro Bodybuilder
Melvin Anthony Pro Bodybuilder
Mike Mattarazo Pro Bodybuilder
Jean Pierre Fux Pro Bodybuilder
Dave Palumbo - Bodybuilder
Craig Titus Pro Bodybuilder
Eryk Bui Pro Bodybuilder
Quincy Taylor Pro Bodybuilder
Branch Warren - Pro Bodybuilder
Stan McCrary - Pro Bodybuilder
Craig Richardson - Pro Bodybuilder
Chris Cormier - Pro Bodybuilder
Aaron Baker - Pro Bodybuilder
Don Long - Pro Bodybuilder
King Kamali - Pro Bodybuilder
Charles Glass - Pro Bodybuilder/Pro Trainer
Ron Harris - Bodybuilder/Writer
Joe McNeal - Pro Trainer
Peter McGough - Flex Magazine Writer - One of the world's most renowned experts in the sport of bodybuilding.
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
Dan Soloman - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Host
Ron Harris Bodybuilder/Writer
Shawn Perine - Flex Magazine Senior Writer
Steve Blechman - MD publisher/Owner
Ryan Mackie - Bodybuilding.com Writer
Allan Donnelly Flex Magazine Writer
George De Pirro - Flex Magazine Senior Editor
David Robson Bodybuilder, Martial Artist, Accredited Personal Trainer and Writer
Myron Mielke Bodybuilder/Writer
Raymond Cassar Muscle Time Writer/Photographer
Lonnie Taper - Bodybuilding Expert/Iron Man Magazine writer
Where are the judges? ???
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sorry kiddo but you're wrong. Popular opinion would be an online poll among people who have never seen them in person
the consensus among IFBB pros who know the criteria better and have seen both men at their primes is that Ronnie > Dorian
This reply right here ^^^^^^^^^^^ ends the thread.
EXPERT OPINIONS (in favor of Ronnie) > FANS OPINIONS (in favor of Dorian)
NO DEBATE NEEDED!!!
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Ronnie where your calves at? according to a ' person in the know ' Arnold , the whole pose if ruined.
Coleman's rear lat spread was hugely over-rated. Dorian Yates' rear lat speard = best of all time.
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This reply right here ^^^^^^^^^^^ ends the thread.
EXPERT OPINIONS (in favor of Ronnie) > FANS OPINIONS (in favor of Dorian)
NO DEBATE NEEDED!!!
Wrong , it wasn't just fans opinions , he was lying as usual. I posted quotes from ' experts ' who don't ' feel Ronnie is or was the greatest of all time and that Dorian would beat him.
that doesn't end anything in the least , what it does is show Neo needs to gloss over experts that contradict his claims.
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Coleman's rear lat spread was hugely over-rated. Dorian Yates' rear lat speard = best of all time.
Dorian simply wins to many mandatories
ironic since dorian loses the pose quite handily:
especially with his famous wrinkles of flabbly lose skin in the pose from 95. great pic nuthuggers!
you do your own hero in with your stupid choice LOL
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ironic since dorian loses the pose quite handily:
especially with his famous wrinkles of flabbly lose skin in the pose from 95. great pic nuthuggers!
you do your own hero in with your stupid choice LOL
NOT according to a ' person in the know ' Arnold 8)
Dorian smokes Ronnie in a LOT of poses.
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All you fags are retards, Dorian win's automatically cause he's white.
You can all go commit suicide now, nothing Ronnie can do can make him white. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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he wins the ab and thigh.
but...thats about it.
:'(
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All you fags are retards, Dorian win's automatically cause he's white.
You can all go commit suicide now, nothing Ronnie can do can make him white. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Actually, that's the reason he doesn't win. Blacks are better at physical activities therefore Ronnie is better than Dorian. Matter of fact David Henry>Dorian.
Goodrum>Dorian....Finally I can rest in peace.
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he wins the ab and thigh.
but...thats about it.
:'(
Poor Ronnie p.i.p little calves he wins no poses because Arnold said the whole effect is ruined when you flex nothing happens
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Actually, that's the reason he doesn't win. Blacks are better at physical activities therefore Ronnie is better than Dorian. Matter of fact David Henry>Dorian.
Goodrum>Dorian....Finally I can rest in peace.
;D
I thought the back community disavowed Goodrum? for the whole Queen Vissy affair :-X
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How about this mofuckers, the best bodybuilder ever was Frank Zane and case is closed.
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How about this mofuckers, the best bodybuilder ever was Frank Zane and case is closed.
I would rather look like Zane than Dorian or Ronnie.
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I would rather look like Zane than Dorian or Ronnie.
I completely agree, I dont actually find any of the post-Haney bodybuilders aesthetic pussy-wise.
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Actually, that's the reason he doesn't win. Blacks are better at physical activities therefore Ronnie is better than Dorian. Matter of fact David Henry>Dorian.
Goodrum>Dorian....Finally I can rest in peace.
Youre talking about normal physical activities, BB is totally separate, one thing weve learned throughout BB history is that the judges will pick the great white hope whenever possible (See Jay Cutler).
Therefore Dorian = teh win!
Suck on that Ronnie, Boom!
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This beats anything that Coleman had to offer.
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This beats anything that Coleman had to offer.
no it doesn't
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This beats anything that Coleman had to offer.
wrong
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wrong
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Epic not pasting the whole picture to make a point - worse than those sharpened Ronnie pics.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/bigdoggie74/Truph.png)
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;D
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Ronnie beats him on width but Dorian is KILLING him on thickness, dryness and just plain overall quality, he makes Ronnie look 5 weeks out there.
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wrong
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455154;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=455155;image)
LOL at Lee Haney being better than Heath or even Dexter Jackson
they shit all over him, he had no arms and no legs, ugly abs also
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LOL at Lee Haney being better than Heath or even Dexter Jackson
they shit all over him, he had no arms and no legs, ugly abs also
Haney was vastly overrated, like you said, NPC state level arms and legs and a huge torso.
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Haney was vastly overrated, like you said, NPC state level arms and legs and a huge torso.
Yop, I think he was one of the less impressive Mr.Olympia
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Yop, I think he was one of the less impressive Mr.Olympia
Dorian would have KILLED him if hed have come back to compete in 92, it would have been embarassing.
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dont compare negros to whites
if close contest,
judges will give it to the "white hope" anyway
dorian = best white mr O (because arnold didn t have humatrope)
ronnie = best negro mr O (because flex was a lazy fucker)
i like both , very entertaining and ABSOLUTELY unbeatable in their 4-5 best showings
arnold, haney, dorian, ronnie are all top of the top
all others can t touch them
im a Yates fan and the above ^^ is very correct
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I will agree, Haney, Yates and Ronnie all at their bests are amazing.
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Quality scan that hasn't been posted
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Quality scan that hasn't been posted
Yup, theres another pic like that where Dorian is standing in a lineup with a couple other competitors and he looks shredded as fuck.
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Quality scan that hasn't been posted
this is post tear too, haters go fuck yourselves.
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You mad bro? mad that Nasser couldn't measure up? Yes Dorian really was that good his record proves this , Nasser 6 wins in 53 tries :-\
Yates 15 of 17 1st place and 2 second place. There's nothing to debate.