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Police union condemns Obama's 'stupidly' comments
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 07/23/09 01:58 PM [ET]
President Obama's Wednesday night criticism of Cambridge, Mass., police has drawn a rebuke from the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP).
The criticism comes after Obama said Cambridge police officers acted "stupidly" when they arrested Henry Louis Gates, a friend of the president, for breaking and entering into his own home. The president said it highlights ongoing problems with race relations in the U.S.
Jim Pascoe, executive director of the FOP's legislative office, noted that before Obama made the remarks, the president acknowledged that he was only vaguely familiar with what happened.
"That being the case, it's unfortunate that he chose to say anything," Pascoe said. "He wasn't there, and he doesn't know what happened."
Pascoe said it appears that Gates was the "provocateur" because he called Officer James Crowley a racist instead of producing identification as requested.
On Thursday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs sought to walk back the president's comments.
"Let me be clear. He was not calling the officer stupid, OK?" Gibbs told reporters on Air Force One. "He was denoting that . . . at a certain point the situation got far out of hand, and I think all sides understand that."
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The wheels are falling off the wagon of this admn even faster than I imagined.
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
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I agree with the officers on this one. The acted appropriately. Gates could have easily cooperated and shown his ID instead of going on a tyrannical racist rant and not complying. He should have been happy the neighbors were watching out for his house. I'm not certain he needed to be arrested, as none of us were there, but certainly Gates was out of line and not cooperating with the officers.
The president should have kept out of it. Certainly was not his place to comment except that Gates is his friend.
CNN is all over this one pushing the race story.
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I agree with the officers on this one. The acted appropriately. Gates could have easily cooperated and shown his ID instead of going on a tyrannical racist rant and not complying. He should have been happy the neighbors were watching out for his house. I'm not certain he needed to be arrested, as none of us were there, but certainly Gates was out of line and not cooperating with the officers.
The president should have kept out of it. Certainly was not his place to comment except that Gates is his friend.
CNN is all over this one pushing the race story.
How does Obama say that he did not know the facts of the case but that the cops acted "stupidly" in the same sentence?
And this is the brilliant Harvard Lawyer I am told I am supposed to follow and accept as a genius?
I have met black guys with no college degree who are far smarter than this president.
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"How does Obama say that he did not know the facts of the case but that the cops acted "stupidly" in the same sentence?"
Great point...good catch on that.
I'm all for protecting our rights against aggressive or cops on a power trip, but that doesn't sound like the case here. Sounds like Gates was out of control. He could have easily avoided the whole thing by cooperating in the first place. I agree that some minorities get profiled but it also seems like they do not comply with the officer in many cases, which makes things escalate.
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
Have you actually read the arrest report? Do you actually know what happened?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html)
Read the whole fucking thing and don't be a dumb-ass like Obama. A woman saw two black males w/ backpacks trying to "gain entry" into a home or as the report says shouldering the door. The police arrived, the cop spoke with the caller and then the rest is history. And there apparently were a bunch of gawkers outside watching "Professor Race Baiter" go ballistic on the police for asking him to come outside and then having the gall to ask for an ID to confirm his identity. So there is plenty of documentation and statements. Pretty standard stuff.
Of course now he is getting a deal with PBS to do a "documentary" on his trials and being black and all the other race baiter's are out in force condeming the "rouge" ::) cop for his racist and duplicitous deeds. Apparently the officer is decorated and has a clean history.
I heard that he actually knows Pres. Obama as well, which makes him screaming "Do you know who I am" make a bit of sense.
They didn't know it was his residence....that's the reason why officers everywhere ask for ID. They have to be sure.
And when it comes down to it, like the poster said, Obama didn't know ANY of the facts.
And just so everyone can get a bit of calmness...."Professor RaceBaiter" will be on "BLACK IN AMERICA.......PART II" tonight for a special interview detailing his horrible victimization and humiliation by rouge/Nazi White Evil police officers....who asked him for his ID.
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Have you actually read the arrest report? Do you actually know what happened?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html)
Read the whole fucking thing and don't be a dumb-ass like Obama. A woman saw two black males w/ backpacks trying to "gain entry" into a home or as the report says shouldering the door. The police arrived, the cop spoke with the caller and then the rest is history. And there apparently were a bunch of gawkers outside watching "Professor Race Baiter" go ballistic on the police for asking him to come outside and then having the gall to ask for an ID to confirm his identity. So there is plenty of documentation and statements. Pretty standard stuff.
Of course now he is getting a deal with PBS to do a "documentary" on his trials and being black and all the other race baiter's are out in force condeming the "rouge" ::) cop for his racist and duplicitous deeds. Apparently the officer is decorated and has a clean history.
I heard that he actually knows Pres. Obama as well, which makes him screaming "Do you know who I am" make a bit of sense.
They didn't know it was his residence....that's the reason why officers everywhere ask for ID. They have to be sure.
And when it comes down to it, like the poster said, Obama didn't know ANY of the facts.
And just so everyone can get a bit of calmness...."Professor RaceBaiter" will be on "BLACK IN AMERICA.......PART II" tonight for a special interview detailing his horrible victimization and humiliation by rouge/Nazi White Evil police officers....who asked him for his ID.
O.K. I read the whole friggin thing. :) Doesn't change my opinion. Gates overreacted. So did the cop. If you want to act a fool in your own house then you have the right to do that. So what if he hurt the cop's feelings. I'd have a completely different view if he approached the man in a public place, or really anywhere other than the man's home.
I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement, but you don't essentially pull a man out of his own home and arrest him because he insulted you or was talking too loudly for your liking. That's an abuse of police power, which is probably why they quickly dropped the charges.
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O.K. I read the whole friggin thing. :) Doesn't change my opinion. Gates overreacted. So did the cop. If you want to act a fool in your own house then you have the right to do that. So what if he hurt the cop's feelings. I'd have a completely different view if he approached the man in a public place, or really anywhere other than the man's home.
I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement, but you don't essentially pull a man out of his own home and arrest him because he insulted you or was talking too loudly for your liking. That's an abuse of police power, which is probably why they quickly dropped the charges.
Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert
Jul 23 03:17 PM US/Eastern
By DENISE LAVOIE
Associated Press Writer Comments (191) Share on Facebook
Cop Who Arrested Harvard Prof Won’t Apologize
Harvard Professor: Arrest ‘Made Me Realize How Vulnerable All Black Men Are’
‘Police Acted Stupidly’: Obama Blasts Officers for Arrest of Friend at Cambridge Home
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling.
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.
Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.
Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.
Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.
Gates was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dropped Tuesday.
Gates' supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw "two black males with backpacks" trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed.
Obama was asked about the arrest of Gates, who is his friend, at the end of a nationally televised news conference on health care Wednesday night.
"I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And No. 3—what I think we know separate and apart from this incident—is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
In radio interviews Thursday morning, Crowley maintained he followed procedure.
"I support the president of the United States 110 percent. I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts as he himself stated before he made that comment," Crowley told WBZ-AM. "I guess a friend of mine would support my position, too."
Crowley did not immediately respond to messages left Thursday by the AP. The Cambridge police department scheduled a news conference for later Thursday.
Gates has said he was "outraged" by the arrest. He said the white officer walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.
"This isn't about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America," Gates said.
He said the incident made him realize how vulnerable poor people and minorities are "to capricious forces like a rogue policeman, and this man clearly was a rogue policeman."
The president said federal officials need to continue working with local law enforcement "to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias."
Fellow officers, black and white, say Crowley is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.
Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, said he was troubled and upset over the incident. Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons, who also is black, has said she spoke with Gates and apologized on behalf of the city, and a statement from the city called the July 16 incident "regrettable and unfortunate."
The mayor refused Thursday to comment on the president's remarks.
Police supporters charge that Gates, director of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, was responsible for his own arrest by overreacting.
Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike.
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Associated Press writer Melissa Trujillo in Boston contributed to this report.
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O.K. I read the whole friggin thing. :) Doesn't change my opinion. Gates overreacted. So did the cop. If you want to act a fool in your own house then you have the right to do that. So what if he hurt the cop's feelings. I'd have a completely different view if he approached the man in a public place, or really anywhere other than the man's home.
I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement, but you don't essentially pull a man out of his own home and arrest him because he insulted you or was talking too loudly for your liking. That's an abuse of police power, which is probably why they quickly dropped the charges.
The lady thought it was a break in. The police simply asked the man to come outside and show them his ID. Because they have no way of knowing for sure if it is really him. Police always ask for ID, always. He refused, he became enraged and wouldn't follow instructions. If this idiot wasn't a friend of Obama's none of this shit would have happened. And I hope the Police Union protects these officers with guns blazing. This Professor was trying to instigate things and wasn't following instruction, he simply wasn't "hurting the officers feelings" And now look at all the TV time this idiot and all the other Race Bait Scholars are going to get.
And I think your down playing how loud and crazy this idiot was acting. They need to see his ID, they need to know that he is who he claims to be. Simple as that.
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Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert
Jul 23 03:17 PM US/Eastern
By DENISE LAVOIE
Associated Press Writer Comments (191) Share on Facebook
Cop Who Arrested Harvard Prof Won’t Apologize
Harvard Professor: Arrest ‘Made Me Realize How Vulnerable All Black Men Are’
‘Police Acted Stupidly’: Obama Blasts Officers for Arrest of Friend at Cambridge Home
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling.
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.
Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.
Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.
Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.
Gates was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dropped Tuesday.
Gates' supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw "two black males with backpacks" trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed.
Obama was asked about the arrest of Gates, who is his friend, at the end of a nationally televised news conference on health care Wednesday night.
"I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And No. 3—what I think we know separate and apart from this incident—is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
In radio interviews Thursday morning, Crowley maintained he followed procedure.
"I support the president of the United States 110 percent. I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts as he himself stated before he made that comment," Crowley told WBZ-AM. "I guess a friend of mine would support my position, too."
Crowley did not immediately respond to messages left Thursday by the AP. The Cambridge police department scheduled a news conference for later Thursday.
Gates has said he was "outraged" by the arrest. He said the white officer walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.
"This isn't about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America," Gates said.
He said the incident made him realize how vulnerable poor people and minorities are "to capricious forces like a rogue policeman, and this man clearly was a rogue policeman."
The president said federal officials need to continue working with local law enforcement "to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias."
Fellow officers, black and white, say Crowley is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.
Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, said he was troubled and upset over the incident. Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons, who also is black, has said she spoke with Gates and apologized on behalf of the city, and a statement from the city called the July 16 incident "regrettable and unfortunate."
The mayor refused Thursday to comment on the president's remarks.
Police supporters charge that Gates, director of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, was responsible for his own arrest by overreacting.
Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike.
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Associated Press writer Melissa Trujillo in Boston contributed to this report.
Good find.
This Officer Crowley seems to have his shit together. But you know all of the Race Baiting Idiot's will be out in force trying to smear him and portray all police and white people as victimizers of blacks. It's already happening, I heard some Race Baiting Idiot on the radio today calling Officer Gates a "rouge" officer. These fools will now be trying to destroy Gates life and get him kicked off the force.
Obama is an idiot too. Talk about jumping the gun, this clown speaks on a situation he knows nothing about. I bet he heard that there were white cops arresting his black friend and already decided what happened. And for Professor Race Baiter to say this isn't about him..................... ..... ::) ::) ::) He is already on TV and on that idiotic CNN Black in America Program now.
What a fucking joke.
A fucking joke.
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The lady thought it was a break in. The police simply asked the man to come outside and show them his ID. Because they have no way of knowing for sure if it is really him. Police always ask for ID, always. He refused, he became enraged and wouldn't follow instructions. If this idiot wasn't a friend of Obama's none of this shit would have happened. And I hope the Police Union protects these officers with guns blazing. This Professor was trying to instigate things and wasn't following instruction, he simply wasn't "hurting the officers feelings" And now look at all the TV time this idiot and all the other Race Bait Scholars are going to get.
And I think your down playing how loud and crazy this idiot was acting. They need to see his ID, they need to know that he is who he claims to be. Simple as that.
I don't really care about the race issue and I'm not looking at it from that angle at all. To me, this is about the sanctity of your home and the limits of police authority. Let's assume the man was yelling very loudly (he probably was). Let's assume he was being a total and complete jerk. He was still in his own house. He did show the cop two forms of ID, which verified that he was in his home. That should have been the end. Cop should have just got in his car and drove away. Poor judgment on his part to arrest the guy.
They've dropped the charges, the POTUS commented on it, the media was all over it. It became a huge story when it shouldn't have been a story at all. Now everyone needs to just let it go.
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Obama is stepping into quicksand by defending his remarks on this.
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If you want to act a fool in your own house then you have the right to do that.
Disagree.
You can't scream and call police names. Ya just can't.
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Disagree.
You can't scream and call police names. Ya just can't.
If you're on the street or a public place, no. If you're in your own home, you can tell the cop to go screw himself if you're not breaking the law. At least that's the way it should be.
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And I think your down playing how loud and crazy this idiot was acting. They need to see his ID, they need to know that he is who he claims to be. Simple as that.
That would be fine if that were what he was arrested for, but even the police report acknowledges he provided ID. He was arrested for exercising his right to free speech, however flamboyent that may have been. He was arrested because the cop felt that the professor didn't have a right to verbally confront him.
I think Gates was out of line. But arrested? No way.
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The police seemed in the right. They warned him on several occasions that he was becoming disorderly and then arrested him for just that. The officer said the gawkers and Univ. police looked concerned about his behavior and outbursts, so they cuffed, made sure he was comfortable, found his cane, secured his door and hauled him off.
The guy probably figured he was going to make a mint off of this and get in with the his buddy the President and get all over TV. He is probably right.
And he "eventually" provided them with ID, but it took the officer dealing with Gates lunacy and he had to enter the home. Keep in mind that by the way the caller reported it...the Officer had good reason to suspect that it was a home invasion.
We weren't there, all we did was read the report. But the officers didn't smash him with a club, taser him and spray him with mace right when they saw him. No, Crowley tried to reason, he warned Gates 2 times and then when his behavior got out of hand...he cuffed him.
I agree somewhat about ones home, but the situation didn't go just as planned...it happened as it happened and Gates got arrested.
Be prepared for The Race Bait Idiot Squad, which may or may not include Obama( har har), to come out and hammer cops and white people over this and place all of their problems on our heads.
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
You OK, Double B? :)
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
He produced the ID after Crowley had to verbally wrestle him for it. Again, the officer had reason to suspect a home invasion. He didn't just walk in, Gates showed his ID and then Crowley arrested him. Crowley warned him twice, showed him the cuffs and then arrested him.
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You OK, Double B? :)
Dude just go ahead and agree with me. I won't hold it against you. :D
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Dude just go ahead and agree with me. I won't hold it against you. :D
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To be fair to all engaged here, the situation wasn't cut and dry. It seems we all have some valid points. But it seems the media, Obama, Gates and The Race Bait Idiots are going to make it out to be like Rodney King and try to get some $$$ and political power, book sales and speaking engagement and fame out of this.
You're right, Beach, when you said this really isn't that big of an event. But it sure will turn into a circus.
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:'(
To be fair to all engaged here, the situation wasn't cut and dry. It seems we all have some valid points. But it seems the media, Obama, Gates and The Race Bait Idiots are going to make it out to be like Rodney King and try to get some $$$ and political power, book sales and speaking engagement and fame out of this.
You're right, Beach, when you said this really isn't that big of an event. But it sure will turn into a circus.
Man I can't get worked up over the race issue. Like I said, I don't really care about the race angle. This isn't Rodney King and shouldn't be. It's about a cop who made a bad decision when dealing with a guy acting a fool (but doing so in his own house). I think we agree that this whole situation should die a quick death.
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Dude just go ahead and agree with me. I won't hold it against you. :D
The "I would get shot" line was actually funny.
Aside from that, arresting a dude in his own house who is threatening no one is stupid.
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
agreed
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agreed
They didn't just walk in the house, cuff him and drag him out.
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I don't really care about the race issue and I'm not looking at it from that angle at all. To me, this is about the sanctity of your home and the limits of police authority. Let's assume the man was yelling very loudly (he probably was). Let's assume he was being a total and complete jerk. He was still in his own house. He did show the cop two forms of ID, which verified that he was in his home. That should have been the end. Cop should have just got in his car and drove away. Poor judgment on his part to arrest the guy.
They've dropped the charges, the POTUS commented on it, the media was all over it. It became a huge story when it shouldn't have been a story at all. Now everyone needs to just let it go.
agreed again...keep up the good work
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:'(
To be fair to all engaged here, the situation wasn't cut and dry. It seems we all have some valid points. But it seems the media, Obama, Gates and The Race Bait Idiots are going to make it out to be like Rodney King and try to get some $$$ and political power, book sales and speaking engagement and fame out of this.
You're right, Beach, when you said this really isn't that big of an event. But it sure will turn into a circus.
It will turn into a circus because you have a black president commenting on this incident involving a black man. This is a race issue lottery win for the media.
That being said, regardless of how much of a fool gates was acting, once it was established it was his house the cop should have just dropped it and left.
And you are right, Gates will milk this for every dam drop. He should thank the cop.
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It will turn into a circus because you have a black president commenting on this incident involving a black man. This is a race issue lottery win for the media.
That being said, regardless of how much of a fool gates was acting, once it was established it was his house the cop should have just dropped it and left.
And you are right, Gates will milk this for every dam drop. He should thank the cop.
Alright. I agree.
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I absolutely hate cops. 9/10ths of them are worthless lowlifes who wanted an easy civil service job where they could carry guns and push people around with no consequences. The 1/10th of them that are good dont interact with the public for the most part because they are actually doing important work- catching rapists murderers, etc.
Cops absolutely target minorities, no ifs ands or buts. For anyone who lives in a major city and has been locked up in central bookings or otherwise, it is honestly mind boggling how many blacks are in jail for crimes that are so absurdly meaningless its pathetic. Granted, black people commit more crimes in the United States- That is a fact. However, some are blatantly picked on to boost arrest statistics, to make the pigs look good or just to fuck with them for no reason.
This guy got arrested in Cambridge Mass!!! If aliens landed on this planet and wanted to find the most progressive dick pimple they could find, they'd probably land there or in San Fran. And guess what? Orders are orders. Cops have to follow procedure; No common sense, no intelligence, no second guessing.
In a small way I do feel bad for them though. If they arrest a black for no reason, they get called racists. If they let a black go who commits crime on their watch, then they are incompetent. Either way-- Screw the cops.
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I have a buddy who went through a window in his own home. Multiple officers arrived at the scene. It's called doing your job.
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Cops have to follow procedure; No common sense, no intelligence, no second guessing.
They do need to use common sense which they didn't in this particular case for both immediate and far reaching reasons.
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I have a buddy who went through a window in his own home. Multiple officers arrived at the scene. It's called doing your job.
Same thing happened to me once. I had just moved in so my ID didn't reflect my new address. However a passing neighbor vouched for me.
These cops were doing their job up until after they found out he lived there.
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I don't really care about the race issue and I'm not looking at it from that angle at all. To me, this is about the sanctity of your home and the limits of police authority. Let's assume the man was yelling very loudly (he probably was). Let's assume he was being a total and complete jerk. He was still in his own house. He did show the cop two forms of ID, which verified that he was in his home. That should have been the end. Cop should have just got in his car and drove away. Poor judgment on his part to arrest the guy.
They've dropped the charges, the POTUS commented on it, the media was all over it. It became a huge story when it shouldn't have been a story at all. Now everyone needs to just let it go.
In total agreement with you there. Once it was established he was in his own home, ...that should have been the end of it. Police officers don't like looking like fools. When they get into a d*ck swinging contest, ...they prefer to win. Having the authority to slap cuffs on someone and actually doing it, is perceived as winning. I agree with Obama, the police acted stupidly. Now they have a black eye and a PR nightmare on their hands. It is not Gates' job to contain a situation, ...it is the police's. For this incident to culminate in an arrest, it is clear the officer made a very regrettable decision and displayed very poor judgement.
ps: As an aside, ...wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall to hear what crawley's superiors had to say to him? ;D
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Same thing happened to me once. I had just moved in so my ID didn't reflect my new address. However a passing neighbor vouched for me.
Passing neighbour? It could have been your accomplice. ;)
You should have been subjected to a body cavity search.... without KY!
These cops were doing their job up until after they found out he lived there.
Yep. Once they discovered it was his home, they should have simply apologized for any inconvenience and left.
It has been my experience that police officers often seem to forget when and where to "turn off their training".
I understand they need to establish authority, particularly their authority over a given situation, however, that "authority" ends at the threshold of someone's door, especially within the home of a former suspect whose innocence has been established. They want to take charge, and remain in charge despite it being no longer warranted, or appropriate. Stupid decisions can lead to stupid unecessary outcomes as we see here.
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i know skip gates from when i lived in boston. he was a screaming queen back then and i'm certain is still one today. you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. drama queen, had a break in perviously. what was it, another pick-pocket hustler again? it would have been better to send a black cop to the house because queen gates would have enjoyed it.
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i know skip gates from when i lived in boston. he was a screaming queen back then and i'm certain is still one today. you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. drama queen, had a break in perviously. what was it, another pick-pocket hustler again? it would have been better to send a black cop to the house because queen gates would have enjoyed it.
Gates had no reason to call the cop racist and start that nonsense. It seems to me that his screaming and accusing the cop of racism is what escalated this mess.
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Gates had no reason to call the cop racist and start that nonsense. It seems to me that his screaming and accusing the cop of racism is what escalated this mess.
maybe....but you weren't there....you don't know that....the fact is any cop with a brain would have just walked away when it was established that Gates was in his own house....as long as he didn't hit the cop, the cop had no cause for arrest...it is clear he arrested Gates to "teach him a lesson"
funny that you automatically believe the cop's version....because it fits into your pre-set mindset...I worked in NY central booking for years and I can tell you first hand that cops fudge their reports all the time to make themselves look good and to cover themselves....
they are human like everyone else....don't always automatically believe any cop...yes they should be given the benefit of the doubt sometimes..but look at each circumstance clearly
maybe one of the factors was that Gates had just come from a long trip and was tired and irritated that he could not get into his own house....
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maybe....but you weren't there....you don't know that....the fact is any cop with a brain would have just walked away when it was established that Gates was in his own house....as long as he didn't hit the cop, the cop had no cause for arrest...it is clear he arrested Gates to "teach him a lesson"
funny that you automatically believe the cop's version....because it fits into your pre-set mindset...I worked in NY central booking for years and I can tell you first hand that cops fudge their reports all the time to make themselves look good and to cover themselves....
they are human like everyone else....don't always automatically believe any cop...yes they should be given the benefit of the doubt sometimes..but look at each circumstance clearly
maybe one of the factors was that Gates had just come from a long trip and was tired and irritated that he could not get into his own house....
No. I am going by the report, by the evidence released so far, Gates' history, etc.
I cant stand most cops, but I cant stand rabble rousers eaither.
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dude....do you honestly believe a policeman is going to hand in a report to his superiors that makes him look bad???..not going to happen.....and the fact he was a rabble-rouser..so what?....the police played right into his hands by arresting him...
also if this was such a great and just arrest, why were the charges dropped and why did his superiors not stand behind their man???
c,mon
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dude....do you honestly believe a policeman is going to hand in a report to his superiors that makes him look bad???..not going to happen.....and the fact he was a rabble-rouser..so what?....the police played right into his hands by arresting him...
also if this was such a great and just arrest, why were the charges dropped and why did his superiors not stand behind their man???
c,mon
Come on bro, we are both bronxites. Lets be straight on this.
I am white, and if I were under the same scenario with a black cop and called him a bunch of racist things and told him "ill see yo mamma on the porch", my ass would be in the tombs so fast and you know it.
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Come on bro, we are both bronxites. Lets be straight on this.
I am white, and if I were under the same scenario with a black cop and called him a bunch of racist things and told him "ill see yo mamma on the porch", my ass would be in the tombs so fast and you know it.
And given the scenario you describe, your arrest would make the police officer's actions what?...
It would make your arrest for breaking into your own home what?...
A police officer isn't given a gun & a badge to roam the streets settling personal scores or avenging hurt feelings.
To effect arrests based on bruised egos or insulting comments makes that officer's actions what?... STUPID!
...especially when it results in a PR nightmare for his department, and setbacks in community relations for himself and his/her colleagues. And while we're on the subject, ...why is it that people get to criticize the President, his actions, and decisions everyday, ...yet the President has no right to criticize the actions of others?
What happened was plain stupid, and Obama was not out of line to say so. It was stupid. Rather than bashing Obama, you should be grateful that you at least have a President in the oval office willing to speak plainly, frankly, and truthfully! One who is willing to point out the elephant in the room. It was stupid!
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Gates had no reason to call the cop racist and start that nonsense. It seems to me that his screaming and accusing the cop of racism is what escalated this mess.
the Gates i know would have enjoyed seeing big black cops. not, white ones.
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And given the scenario you describe, your arrest would make the police officer's actions what?...
It would make your arrest for breaking into your own home what?...
A police officer isn't given a gun & a badge to roam the streets settling personal scores or avenging hurt feelings.
To effect arrests based on bruised egos or insulting comments makes that officer's actions what?... STUPID!
...especially when it results in a PR nightmare for his department, and setbacks in community relations for himself and his/her colleagues. And while we're on the subject, ...why is it that people get to criticize the President, his actions, and decisions everyday, ...yet the President has no right to criticize the actions of others?
What happened was plain stupid, and Obama was not out of line to say so. It was stupid. Rather than bashing Obama, you should be grateful that you at least have a President in the oval office willing to speak plainly, frankly, and truthfully! One who is willing to point out the elephant in the room. It was stupid!
THANK YOU!!!! :)
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And given the scenario you describe, your arrest would make the police officer's actions what?...
It would make your arrest for breaking into your own home what?...
A police officer isn't given a gun & a badge to roam the streets settling personal scores or avenging hurt feelings.
To effect arrests based on bruised egos or insulting comments makes that officer's actions what?... STUPID!
...especially when it results in a PR nightmare for his department, and setbacks in community relations for himself and his/her colleagues. And while we're on the subject, ...why is it that people get to criticize the President, his actions, and decisions everyday, ...yet the President has no right to criticize the actions of others?
What happened was plain stupid, and Obama was not out of line to say so. It was stupid. Rather than bashing Obama, you should be grateful that you at least have a President in the oval office willing to speak plainly, frankly, and truthfully! One who is willing to point out the elephant in the room. It was stupid!
Jag, GMAFB!
Cops are like a gang or a crew. You dont argue with them unless you want a beat down, espcially in Yonkers and the Bronx. The last thing one does is to start hurling racist nonsense at them in public.
Its not right, but you have to have some street smarts if you want to avoid a beat down. Gates is obviously to caught up in his harvard garbage.
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Jag, GMAFB!
Cops are like a gang or a crew. You dont argue with them unless you want a beat down, espcially in Yonkers and the Bronx. The last thing one does is to start hurling racist nonsense at them in public.
Its not right, but you have to have some street smarts if you want to avoid a beat down. Gates is obviously to caught up in his harvard garbage.
Check this out.
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I don't really care about the race issue and I'm not looking at it from that angle at all. To me, this is about the sanctity of your home and the limits of police authority. Let's assume the man was yelling very loudly (he probably was). Let's assume he was being a total and complete jerk. He was still in his own house. He did show the cop two forms of ID, which verified that he was in his home. That should have been the end. Cop should have just got in his car and drove away. Poor judgment on his part to arrest the guy.
They've dropped the charges, the POTUS commented on it, the media was all over it. It became a huge story when it shouldn't have been a story at all. Now everyone needs to just let it go.
yeah..the whole point of it was...IT WAS HIS HOUSE. when they found out...they should have left....plain and simple
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yeah..the whole point of it was...IT WAS HIS HOUSE. when they found out...they should have left....plain and simple
When Gates yelled about the cops "mama" the cop should have splattered his head all over the sidewalk.A typical little sawed off runt thinking hes a tough guy because he brings out the black attitude.
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yeah..the whole point of it was...IT WAS HIS HOUSE. when they found out...they should have left....plain and simple
I dont disagree, but from what I understand, Gates started screaming racist stuff at him and wouldnt stop, in public.
You just dont do that. Its common sense.
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THANK YOU!!!! :)
Be sure to give him a reach-around as well.
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Jag, GMAFB!
Cops are like a gang or a crew. You dont argue with them unless you want a beat down, espcially in Yonkers and the Bronx. The last thing one does is to start hurling racist nonsense at them in public.
Its not right, but you have to have some street smarts if you want to avoid a beat down. Gates is obviously to caught up in his harvard garbage.
Well then if that's the case, ...investigations into the conduct of police would therefore be warranted no?
Just listen to yourself. You say the police are like a gang, prone to violence, and the public who they're sworn & charged to protect & serve, should cower in front of them to avoid a beat down? This is what you're arguing for? ::)
Based on your depiction of the status quo... Gates should be given a medal for shedding light on this.
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When Gates yelled about the cops "mama" the cop should have splattered his head all over the sidewalk.A typical little sawed off runt thinking hes a tough guy because he brings out the black attitude.
amazing....simply amazing...and whos the tough guy here..the guy is mad. Check it out..once when i was in 9th grade i was walking home from football practice...Police pulls up on me. "hey. you have id..Where you going where do you live." I clearly had on my backpack and Practice t-shirt and he was still badgering me...this passer buy told him..."he live wit yo momma how about that..." well he got beat up (lennox sherrifs). But if the cop wouldnt have been an asshole, everything would bave been ok
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When Gates yelled about the cops "mama" the cop should have splattered his head all over the sidewalk.A typical little sawed off runt thinking hes a tough guy because he brings out the black attitude.
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Billy, have you ever been psychologically tested? How about genetically?
I'm not much of a betting gal, ...but I would bet good money you have an additional Y chromosome. Just a hunch.
Either that, ...or your spotter dropped a dumbell on your head one day, ...but I'm leaning more to the Y chromosome.
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Jag, there are certain things that are not going to change.
The cops are like any other street gang. I have friends who are cops and they are no different than the bloods, latin kings, vatos locos, mexican mafia, or the crips. However, they have the judges, the DA, each other, and the law behind them.
The cops have to establish their street cred in public or no one will obey them or respect them. They want to be feared, not loved.
I'm not saying its right, but its what goes on.
You challenege a cop in public, at least where I am from, you getting a beat down.
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Billy, have you ever been psychologically tested? How about genetically?
I'm not much of a betting gal, ...but I would bet good money you have an additional Y chromosome. Just a hunch.
Either that, ...or your spotter dropped a dumbell on your head one day, ...but I'm leaning more to the Y chromosome.
uh ohhhh...he is gonna go ape shit on your ass now. Talk about the race war, and black this and skin head that...its on now beeeyyotchhhhh
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amazing....simply amazing...and whos the tough guy here..the guy is mad. Check it out..once when i was in 9th grade i was walking home from football practice...Police pulls up on me. "hey. you have id..Where you going where do you live." I clearly had on my backpack and Practice t-shirt and he was still badgering me...this passer buy told him..."he live wit yo momma how about that..." well he got beat up (lennox sherrifs). But if the cop wouldnt have been an asshole, everything would bave been ok
So what?Just answer the fucking questions and the cops go on their way.I get pulled over because of tints on my windows.The cop asks for my licence and registeration I give it to them,they ask where Im coming fromi SAY THE GYM,THEY ASK WHICH GYM I TELL THEM,they ask where Im going etc. I answer the questions and go on my way.I dont start screaming ,is this because Im a big man in America?And start screaming and shouting and insulting their mothers.Cops are doing their job.
The cop here had a hispanic officer with him and a black officer with him BOTH say he did nothing wrong.8 eye witness' say he did nothing wrong.Hes a cop who gave mouth to mouth to Reggie Lewis trying to save his life,he teaches classes on anti-racial profiling to other cops[hired to do so by his black boss].The idea that this man is being labled a racist by a racist like Gates is a joke.Its an extra joke when THE KING OF RACIST Obama/Rev. Wright CHIMES IN.
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So what?Just answer the fucking questions and the cops go on their way.I get pulled over because of tints on my windows.The cop asks for my licence and registeration I give it to them,they ask where Im coming fromi SAY THE GYM,THEY ASK WHICH GYM I TELL THEM,they ask where Im going etc. I answer the questions and go on my way.I dont start screaming ,is this because Im a big man in America?And start screaming and shouting and insulting their mothers.Cops are doing their job.
The cop here had a hispanic officer with him and a black officer with him BOTH say he did nothing wrong.8 eye witness' say he did nothing wrong.Hes a cop who gave mouth to mouth to Reggie Lewis trying to save his life,he teaches classes on anti-racial profiling to other cops[hired to do so by his black boss].The idea that this man is being labled a racist by a racist like Gates is a joke.Its an extra joke when THE KING OF RACIST Obama/Rev. Wright CHIMES IN.
Interestingly enough, ...you're the only one screaming about race in this thread.
Everyone else is discussing abuse of authority, and individual citizen's rights. YOU are making this about race.
Granted, the allegations are that Gates alleges these abuses were due to race. This has not yet been established. What has been established however, is that these are abuse of authority. The motivation for it, doesn't in any way change what it is. And just because you are willing to give up your rights, doesn't mean everyone else is.
btw: I can't believe you're still trying to link Obama with the Rev. Wright. That strategy failed during the primaries, and it failed in the election. What the heck good do you think it will do now that he is President? At least you're consistent with the majority of the other Obama haters... amazingly outdated, irrelevant, and out of touch. ::)
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uh ohhhh...he is gonna go ape shit on your ass now. Talk about the race war, and guy this and skin head that...its on now beeeyyotchhhhh
I hope he doesn't get his puppy to chew the leg off my puppy, or his kitten to scratch the eyes out of my kitten :o
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Billy, have you ever been psychologically tested? How about genetically?
I'm not much of a betting gal, ...but I would bet good money you have an additional Y chromosome. Just a hunch.
Either that, ...or your spotter dropped a dumbell on your head one day, ...but I'm leaning more to the Y chromosome.
In fact I have been.We are in the process of adopting and we have social workers over about once every couple of weeks doing home studies.I speak the exact same way in front of her[minus the curse words].You see,being a conservative doesnt make you insane,despite what the limp wristed left will have you think.This cop acted correctly,he will recieve ZERO punnishment,and in the end Gates will be a laughingstock,yet a few left wing loons like yourself will say "anyone who thinks the cop was right is insane".
Its much like the debate we have hear regarding FOX and MSNBC.To the left wing loons,they say "anyone who watches FOX is an idiot,is stupid,a retard".Yet,nightly FOX destroys MSNBC in ratings.So,your pissing in the wind thinking your right and the vast majority is wrong.
Lastly,this case is ONLY about race.The cop didnt enter the house,didnt abuse his authority did NOTHING WRONG.As far as Obama and Wright.Lets see,we have Lowery,Reich,the black panthers,Sotomayor,this case,its every couple of weeks or so Obama shows what he is.HE IS REV.WRIGHT.
The Rev. Wright thing DID NOT FAIL DURING THE ELECTIONS!!!IT WASNT USED DURING THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE McCain is gutless!!!!
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So what?Just answer the fucking questions and the cops go on their way.I get pulled over because of tints on my windows.The cop asks for my licence and registeration I give it to them,they ask where Im coming fromi SAY THE GYM,THEY ASK WHICH GYM I TELL THEM,they ask where Im going etc. I answer the questions and go on my way.I dont start screaming ,is this because Im a big man in America?And start screaming and shouting and insulting their mothers.Cops are doing their job.
The cop here had a hispanic officer with him and a black officer with him BOTH say he did nothing wrong.8 eye witness' say he did nothing wrong.Hes a cop who gave mouth to mouth to Reggie Lewis trying to save his life,he teaches classes on anti-racial profiling to other cops[hired to do so by his black boss].The idea that this man is being labled a racist by a racist like Gates is a joke.Its an extra joke when THE KING OF RACIST Obama/Rev. Wright CHIMES IN.
Cop: we got a call about a break in
Dude: Oh i lost my keys..but this is my house...here is my id...and look at the FAWKIN PICTURES ON THE WALL OF ME...Cop: oh ok. Sorry for the mis understanding. Have a good day.
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If this was just about the police arresting someone in their own house, I would agree that the police took it too far. I understand the argument that when the ID was finally shown, the police could have dropped it. However, the person who acted irrationally, refused to comply, made a public spectacle and made this entirely about race from the first second was Gates. Perhaps he is obsessed with race.
There has to be something the cops can do when someone is making a specacle like this in public. Did they warn him? They should have warned him that if he didn't calm down they'd have to arrest him. Give him that chance. If they did, I still side with the officers. Apparently there was a crowd gathered and Gates made this a public issue by shouting the cops were racist. You can't just insult the officers like that publically, especially when they were doing their job. I'd be interested about what he said about the Sgt's mom. There were multiple officers there so its not just Gate's word vs the Sgt's. and from all accounts so far, the Sgt has a clean record and trained other officers how not to racially profile.
As much as the officer may have fabricated the report, things Gates said may also have been left out because of who he is and the PR nightmare that he could create. We just don't know. Its not a clear case but Gates was definitely out of control and we must teach the public not to treat officers that way. We can't condone Gate's actions, it would be a nightmare for the police.
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Mal, thats how it should have went down but Gates was the one that got all sensitive about the cops doing their job.
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Mal, thats how it should have went down but Gates was the one that got all sensitive about the cops doing their job.
This is the point.Cops ask questions and overly ask questions.What would have happened if Gates had been in the house WITH guys trying to rob the house and they were holding a gun on him?How would the cop know?When a cop pulls you over why does he ask "where are you coming from,where are going"etc.They do that to clear up a situation.ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!!!STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!!
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This is the point.Cops ask questions and overly ask questions.What would have happened if Gates had been in the house WITH guys trying to rob the house and they were holding a gun on him?How would the cop know?When a cop pulls you over why does he ask "where are you coming from,where are going"etc.They do that to clear up a situation.ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!!!STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!!
From what I can tell, Gates is the drama queen here. i was listeing to a black radio station this morning and a lot of the callers thought that this whole thing may have been staged and that Gates is an idiot.
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If this was just about the police arresting someone in their own house, I would agree that the police took it too far. I understand the argument that when the ID was finally shown, the police could have dropped it. However, the person who acted irrationally, refused to comply, made a public spectacle and made this entirely about race from the first second was Gates. Perhaps he is obsessed with race.
I read the police report, and it looks to me like Officer Crowley could have prevented the situation from escalating by simply giving Gates his name & badge number. In any event, a situation that didn't need to escalate did? Who escalated it? Gates? I dunno... last I checked, ...citizens don't arrest themselves. This is stupid.
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I read the police report, and it looks to me like Officer Crowley could have prevented the situation from escalating by simply giving Gates his name & badge number. In any event, a situation that didn't need to escalate did? Who escalated it? Gates? I dunno... last I checked, ...citizens don't arrest themselves. This is stupid.
The one who escalated this was Obama with his idiotic remark. The man is a fool Jag.
"I dont know the facts of what happened bu tthe cops acted stupidly"
Is that the brilliant logic taught at Harvard Law School?
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The one who escalated this was Obama with his idiotic remark. The man is a fool Jag.
"I dont know the facts of what happened bu tthe cops acted stupidly"
Is that the brilliant logic taught at Harvard Law School?
I think he was commenting on the allegations of racist behaviour by Crowley. That part has not yet been established. Arresting a man for breaking into his own home, irritating him, then calling him outside is just plain stupid.
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I think he was commenting on the allegations of racist behaviour by Crowley. That part has not yet been established. Arresting a man for breaking into his own home, irritating him, then calling him outside is just plain stupid.
Thats ridiculous Jag, and all but the hardcore Obamabots like yourself realize Obama put his foot in his mouth with his comment.
It was just dumb.
"I DONT KNOW THE FACTS BUT THE COPS ACTED STUPIDLY"
Very Bush-like if you ask me.
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Jag, there are certain things that are not going to change.
The cops are like any other street gang. I have friends who are cops and they are no different than the bloods, latin kings, vatos locos, mexican mafia, or the crips. However, they have the judges, the DA, each other, and the law behind them.
The cops have to establish their street cred in public or no one will obey them or respect them. They want to be feared, not loved.
I'm not saying its right, but its what goes on.
You challenege a cop in public, at least where I am from, you getting a beat down.
I understand the point you are trying desperately to make but gates was in his own house and he is an old man...come on......no way could the cops have felt threatened by him..it was a case of the cops trying to put him in his place and it backfired on them.....
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I understand the point you are trying desperately to make but gates was in his own house and he is an old man...come on......no way could the cops have felt threatened by him..it was a case of the cops trying to put him in his place and it backfired on them.....
Gates asked for the cops name and badge number,everytime he tried to answer ,Gates was screaming at him.So the cop asked him to step outside so he could give the badge number and name.All of you trying to twist this are jokes.THE TWO OTHER COPS THERE were black and hispanic.What possible mottive do two minority cops have for "putting him in his place".They said Gates was wrong,the cop was right.The eye witness' defend the cops.THE ONLY ONE who defends Gates,is Gates and that dummy Obama who wasnt even there.Case closed,GATES IS A DICK!!
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I understand the point you are trying desperately to make but gates was in his own house and he is an old man...come on......no way could the cops have felt threatened by him..it was a case of the cops trying to put him in his place and it backfired on them.....
No. It is backfiring on Obama for making his dumb remark.
Gates is known as a drama queen and this cop is the teacher in the PD of profiling.
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Gates asked for the cops name and badge number,everytime he tried to answer ,Gates was screaming at him.So the cop asked him to step outside so he could give the badge number and name.All of you trying to twist this are jokes.THE TWO OTHER COPS THERE were black and hispanic.What possible mottive do two minority cops have for "putting him in his place".They said Gates was wrong,the cop was right.The eye witness' defend the cops.THE ONLY ONE who defends Gates,is Gates and that dummy Obama who wasnt even there.Case closed,GATES IS A DICK!!
MAYBE ITS NOT ABOUT RACE...ITS ABOUT THE COPS BEING DICKS...EVERY GOD DAMN THING DONT REVOLVE AROUND RACE. SO THE GOD DAMN FACT THAT ONE WAS BLACK AND ONE WAS HISPANIC DONT MEAN A GOD DAMN THING. ITS ABOUT THE COPS AUTHORITY....FUCKING HELL... BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE...THERE IS MORE TO THIS FUCKING GOD DAMN WORLD THEN FUCKING RACE...SHIT MAKES ME SICK GOD DAMN IT. GROW THE FUCK UP WITH THE THE RACE SHIT...FUCK RACE IS ONLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE DUMB ASWS FUCKS MAKE IT AN ISSUE.....FUCKIN IDIOTS
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MAYBE ITS NOT ABOUT RACE...ITS ABOUT THE COPS BEING DICKS...EVERY GOD DAMN THING DONT REVOLVE AROUND RACE. SO THE GOD DAMN FACT THAT ONE WAS BLACK AND ONE WAS HISPANIC DONT MEAN A GOD DAMN THING. ITS ABOUT THE COPS AUTHORITY....FUCKING HELL... BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE...THERE IS MORE TO THIS FUCKING GOD DAMN WORLD THEN FUCKING RACE...SHIT MAKES ME SICK GOD DAMN IT. GROW THE FUCK UP WITH THE THE RACE SHIT...FUCK RACE IS ONLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE DUMB ASWS FUCKS MAKE IT AN ISSUE.....FUCKIN IDIOTS
Mal: Go read my earlier post about this. The cops are street gang like any other, just with nicer uniforms and high and tight haircuts, and have to show force to get respect.
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Mal: Go read my earlier post about this. The cops are street gang like any other, just with nicer uniforms and high and tight haircuts, and have to show force to get respect.
Oh yeah.. i read that. tupac said the same thing. He said a police officer told him "we the biggest gang in america"
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MAYBE ITS NOT ABOUT RACE...ITS ABOUT THE COPS BEING DICKS...EVERY GOD DAMN THING DONT REVOLVE AROUND RACE. SO THE GOD DAMN FACT THAT ONE WAS BLACK AND ONE WAS HISPANIC DONT MEAN A GOD DAMN THING. ITS ABOUT THE COPS AUTHORITY....FUCKING HELL... BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE...THERE IS MORE TO THIS FUCKING GOD DAMN WORLD THEN FUCKING RACE...SHIT MAKES ME SICK GOD DAMN IT. GROW THE FUCK UP WITH THE THE RACE SHIT...FUCK RACE IS ONLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE DUMB ASWS FUCKS MAKE IT AN ISSUE.....FUCKIN IDIOTS
Yes,Gates screamed "because Im a black man in America" HE MADE IT ABOUT RACE.HE WAS THE ONE!!!!THE COP NEVER ONCE MENTIONED RACE!GATES DID!!Then Gates continued to make it about race the next day,and today.Dont blame us,or the cop,blame Gates!!!!!!
The only two fucking idiots here are Gates,who made it about race and Obama who chimed in BECAUSE it was about race not knowing ONE FUCKING FACT in the case!!!I find it amazing that Obama will comment on this but not on his justice department dropping charges on the black panthers who were holding weapons and screaming at whites "now you will know what its like to be ruled by a black man ,cracker".Somehow,they werent acting "stupidly" the cop in the Gates case was.
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Oh yeah.. i read that. tupac said the same thing. He said a police officer told him "we the biggest gang in america"
Mal:
The cops in Yonkers make Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, Vatos Locos, Mexican Mafia 18th Street, look like nothing.
They give out beat downs like no other. i know one cop who has broken his hand 5 times on peoples faces.
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Mal:
The cops in Yonkers make Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, Vatos Locos, Mexican Mafia 18th Street, look like nothing.
They give out beat downs like no other. i know one cop who has broken his hand 5 times on peoples faces.
The lennox sherriffs in LA beat up people for sport..very well known...
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Gates sounds like an aimmture man who escalated the situation.
The cop - and I rarely defend cops because they have been very rude to me in the past - were walking into a situation where a neighbor wa screaming 'the robber is still in there!'
They probably pointed a gun at gates when they entered, and he went apeshit on them. In this case, I gotta defend the cops. However, when he cussd and screamed, they could have rolled their eyes and walked away. Their egos made them issue arrest for disturbance of peace.
Both sides have guilt. Obama should have said 'this is a complex issue and I don't have all the facts. Profiling does happen, but we don't konw what happened here'. Obama showed a moment of immaturity by retelling the story without the facts.
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Gates sounds like an aimmture man who escalated the situation.
The cop - and I rarely defend cops because they have been very rude to me in the past - were walking into a situation where a neighbor wa screaming 'the robber is still in there!'
They probably pointed a gun at gates when they entered, and he went apeshit on them. In this case, I gotta defend the cops. However, when he cussd and screamed, they could have rolled their eyes and walked away. Their egos made them issue arrest for disturbance of peace.
Both sides have guilt. Obama should have said 'this is a complex issue and I don't have all the facts. Profiling does happen, but we don't konw what happened here'. Obama showed a moment of immaturity by retelling the story without the facts.
Good assessment. But the arrest report nor any other documentation or anything that Gates has said shows that the officers drew their weapons.
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okay. then he saw them and freaked out. He was probably pissy because he was locked out, and looked like a drama queen when they brought him out. Now he's getting a PBS show? He milked the situation and at the very least is a prima donna who is used to having ppl kiss his ass all day.
That being said, it's tough for cops. They can't let ppl walk on them, but they have to be able to walk away when a confused angry person vents. Neither side (gates nor cops) is innocent here.
Have you seen the video of the guy screaming at the cop while he calmly writes a ticket? academies use it to show how you need to have patience. These cops didn't.
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okay. then he saw them and freaked out. He was probably pissy because he was locked out, and looked like a drama queen when they brought him out. Now he's getting a PBS show? He milked the situation and at the very least is a prima donna who is used to having ppl kiss his ass all day.
That being said, it's tough for cops. They can't let ppl walk on them, but they have to be able to walk away when a confused angry person vents. Neither side (gates nor cops) is innocent here.
Have you seen the video of the guy screaming at the cop while he calmly writes a ticket? academies use it to show how you need to have patience. These cops didn't.
How long did gets go nuts and carry on? If it was for over 15 min, these cops had plenty of patience. Especially when he refused to show his ID to validate him living there.
But arresting him was unnecessary.
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How long did gets go nuts and carry on? If it was for over 15 min, these cops had plenty of patience. Especially when he refused to show his ID to validate him living there.
But arresting him was unnecessary.
Look, everyone knows you dont challenge a cop in public in front of other people.
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okay. then he saw them and freaked out. He was probably pissy because he was locked out, and looked like a drama queen when they brought him out. Now he's getting a PBS show? He milked the situation and at the very least is a prima donna who is used to having ppl kiss his ass all day.
That being said, it's tough for cops. They can't let ppl walk on them, but they have to be able to walk away when a confused angry person vents. Neither side (gates nor cops) is innocent here.
Have you seen the video of the guy screaming at the cop while he calmly writes a ticket? academies use it to show how you need to have patience. These cops didn't.
The cops NEVER yelled at him.They asked him to step out of the house because of the echo coming from the house.THERE IS NOTHING in the report saying the cops raised their voices at him.He was screaming at them.
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Your exactly right mal it shouldn't be about race but Gates is the one doing this and CNN is sucking up to it for ratings.
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Have any of the bystanders weighted in yet?
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Have any of the bystanders weighted in yet?
Shoot, the other problem is that Obama made this a race issue by saying profiling may have had something to do with this.
This incident had nothing to do with racial profiling.
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Absolutely, the president made a very unprofessional mistake in weighing in on this, almost all commentators have agreed whether or not they thought the cops acted according to protocol. It makes Obama a more polarizing figure IMO.
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Your exactly right mal it shouldn't be about race but Gates is the one doing this and CNN is sucking up to it for ratings.
That's exactly right. Gates was the one who, from the very start, refused to be rational with the police and turned it into a a racial event from the first second of the police arriving. Obama then helped push it along. And just like shoot said, he will ride this thing for all it's worth and so will the Race Bait Idiots, get ready folks.
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From what I can tell, Gates is the drama queen here. i was listeing to a black radio station this morning and a lot of the callers thought that this whole thing may have been staged and that Gates is an idiot.
That's exactly right. Gates was the one who, from the very start, refused to be rational with the police and turned it into a a racial event from the first second of the police arriving. Obama then helped push it along. And just like shoot said, he will ride this thing for all it's worth and so will the Race Bait Idiots, get ready folks.
I agree... Gates is the one at fault.
The one law you have when you are being questioned and that you MUST follow, is that you must identify yourself.
Gigantor, you're also correct.
Obama is just pushing it on... Completely stupid of HIM (Obama) to push this along. I gotta admit, he pisses me off more every day.
THIS chick has it right.
You should all look at it.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
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MAYBE ITS NOT ABOUT RACE...ITS ABOUT THE COPS BEING DICKS...EVERY GOD DAMN THING DONT REVOLVE AROUND RACE. SO THE GOD DAMN FACT THAT ONE WAS BLACK AND ONE WAS HISPANIC DONT MEAN A GOD DAMN THING. ITS ABOUT THE COPS AUTHORITY....FUCKING HELL... BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE BLACK WHITE...THERE IS MORE TO THIS FUCKING GOD DAMN WORLD THEN FUCKING RACE...SHIT MAKES ME SICK GOD DAMN IT. GROW THE FUCK UP WITH THE THE RACE SHIT...FUCK RACE IS ONLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE DUMB ASWS FUCKS MAKE IT AN ISSUE.....FUCKIN IDIOTS
You're right man... You know I have 0 love for them.
It just so happens that in this singular instance, it wasn't about race, at least not until Gates started ranting about it.
I mean, the guy was picking his own lock on his own door... then gets upset because the neighbors called the cops.
Hell... If anyone made it about race, it was his neighbor who called the cops in the first place because the black man was at his neighbors door.
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This incident had nothing to do with racial profiling.
you are exactly right.
sounds like this guy was a loud A-hole to police.
When police get a call abot a burglar, THEY have to control the situation. Sounds like the professor tried to contorl the room. Screaming so loudly - you just can't do that. If he WAS a robber - the screaming is a nice diversion for his accomplice to jump outta the bedroom with a shotgun, you know?
Cops need to check ID, scan rooms, and ensure the right guy is in the house. They can't do that when he is screaming at them, at the top of his lungs. the fact the police are happy to hold press conference while Gates is quiet - that speaks volumes. Obama is surely wishing he has just ignored this issue.
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you are exactly right.
sounds like this guy was a loud A-hole to police.
When police get a call abot a burglar, THEY have to control the situation. Sounds like the professor tried to contorl the room. Screaming so loudly - you just can't do that. If he WAS a robber - the screaming is a nice diversion for his accomplice to jump outta the bedroom with a shotgun, you know?
Cops need to check ID, scan rooms, and ensure the right guy is in the house. They can't do that when he is screaming at them, at the top of his lungs. the fact the police are happy to hold press conference while Gates is quiet - that speaks volumes. Obama is surely wishing he has just ignored this issue.
By the way,the police at the scene,put their voice recorders on when the incident started.They have the tapes.They havent decided if they will release them,but you can bet,if the department and the cops came out so strongly FOR the police,the tapes show Gates as an asshole.
Obama cant help himself,he is a community organiser and agitator and rabble rouser,so obviously he is going to knock the police.
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Anyone who thinks that this clown "skip" was wronged is full of it. I live in Boston and I can tell you right now that Cambridge is an area that is inhabited by foreign college students and ultra-liberal, wealthy types. It's an area that is by far the most tolerant area in the state. The cops have audio of the whole situation, and if this fool sues they will release the tapes owning him further.
Even after some of these dolts read the facts, they still want a reason to lash out at the cops or to cry racism. Boo-fucking- hoo, you're all wrong :'(
Here are the facts:
Crowley was called to an attempted robbery by a 911 call from a neighbor
The area that Crowley responded to had had 9 breakins over the last month (including the clown skip's house).
Crowley asked Skip to step outside to talk, and Skip said "ill step outside with your momma to talk"
Crowley warned skip several times and asked him to stop acting belligerent. Skip continued to fly off the handle
Finally Crowley arrested this idiot for disorderly conduct, and he had ever right to do so
Just another African American setting his race back by crying racism after acting like a buffoon.
Thats the truth.
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was skip a little buzzed?
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Check this out.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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white cops need to learn how to talk to black royalty
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"Crowley asked Skip to step outside to talk, and Skip said "ill step outside with your momma to talk"
I wonder if the other officers heard this. If so, thats slander by Gates legally. Same with publically shouting racial remarks at the cops. I bet your right body88...they probably have enough on tape to make Gates look like an idiot, thats probably why the police union came out strongly in support of the officers today.
I hate this ultra sensitive-race stuff. The race baiters and the real racists come out of the closet on both sides...which most of us are not a part of either group. I think the issue should be shut. The charges were dropped, Gates should be verbally reprimanded by the media and close that mouth that already got him in trouble, people must learn to follow simple directions given by police, police should be punished only when they are out of line (which happens but not in this case), the president should focus on national issues, and the officers go back to doing their jobs following department protocols.
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Yeah, the girl in the video has a better take on this than many. If anything, you'd think the neighbor would have more familiarity with gates owning the house. If anyone racially profilled, it could be her. Thats a lot different than an officer profiling or abusing a citizen. The fact that Gate's house had been broken into fairly recently and there were break ins in the neighborhood may have made the neighbor more sensitive.
The report was 2 men breaking into the house. The officer only saw one so I completely understand why he asked Gates to step out of the house. Police must secure a scene before letting their guard down.
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"Crowley asked Skip to step outside to talk, and Skip said "ill step outside with your momma to talk"
I wonder if the other officers heard this. If so, thats slander by Gates legally. Same with publically shouting racial remarks at the cops. I bet your right body88...they probably have enough on tape to make Gates look like an idiot, thats probably why the police union came out strongly in support of the officers today.
I hate this ultra sensitive-race stuff. The race baiters and the real racists come out of the closet on both sides...which most of us are not a part of either group. I think the issue should be shut. The charges were dropped, Gates should be verbally reprimanded by the media and close that mouth that already got him in trouble, people must learn to follow simple directions given by police, police should be punished only when they are out of line (which happens but not in this case), the president should focus on national issues, and the officers go back to doing their jobs following department protocols.
How about the idiot students at Harvard paying 50k a year to be "educated" by this fool.
The more I see of what the ivy league produces, including, Larry Summers, Bush, and Obama, the more I believe that they are nothing but a massive Madoff rip off operation scheme.
Seriously, Obama and Gates are two examples of the filth that Harvard produces.
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i used to like obama, but after that remark........fuck him!!!!
bench
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
That's not why Gates was arrested. He was arrest for disturbing the peace after was told, repeatedly, by Sgt. Crowley to calm down.
The police officer got this one right.
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How about the idiot students at Harvard paying 50k a year to be "educated" by this fool.
The more I see of what the ivy league produces, including, Larry Summers, Bush, and Obama, the more I believe that they are nothing but a massive Madoff rip off operation scheme.
Seriously, Obama and Gates are two examples of the filth that Harvard produces.
Harvard is the best school in the world. Don't let a couple of idiots cloud your judgement.
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Check this out.
LMAO... CLASSIC!
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Harvard is the best school in the world. Don't let a couple of idiots cloud your judgement.
The geniuses of Wall Street 10 miles down the road from me were not too brilliant as far as I am concerned.
The genius Bush from Yale was just stellar in his performance.
Larry Summers is a joke and Harvard is going broke because of his recklessness.
Most ivy leaguers really believe the hype and are no better an than anyone else IMHO.
Of course the Ivy Leauge schools atrract great students, but I really dont believe they produce any better of a student at the end than many other colleges.
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Gates = owned. Gates = double owned when they release the tapes of him acting like a fool. Ha-ha, I love it! Gates is being exposed.
CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- President Obama said Friday he spoke with the police officer who arrested a Harvard professor and told the officer he did not mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department.
President Obama on Friday explains to reporters the details of a phone conservation with Sgt. James Crowley.
1 of 3 Obama's phone conversation came about two hours after police unions said Obama should apologize to members of the Cambridge Police Department for saying they acted stupidly, the president of a city police union said Friday.
Dennis O'Connor, president of the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, also took aim at Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, who reportedly has characterized the arrest as "every black man's nightmare and a reality for many black men."
Echoing the words of arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley -- who handcuffed Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. last week -- O'Connor said he was dismayed that the president and governor would opine on the issue without all the details.
"It's noteworthy that both qualified their statements by saying they did not have all the facts," O'Connor said as members of his and another police union stood behind him. "Usually, when one hears those words, one would expect the next words to be 'so I cannot comment.' Instead, both officials, both admitted friends of professor Gates, proceeded to insult the handling of this case."
He further said Cambridge police resent the implication they allowed race to dictate their actions in the situation.
"We hope that [Obama and Deval] will reflect upon their past comments and apologize to the men and women of the Cambridge Police Department," O'Connor said.
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Steve Killian, president of the Cambridge Police Patrol Officers Association, also called on Obama to apologize to "all law enforcement personnel throughout the entire country that took offense to this."
Crowley has previously said he was dismayed by the president's remarks and that Obama had offended police in Cambridge and elsewhere.
"I was a little surprised and disappointed that the president, who didn't have all of the facts by his own admission, then weighed in on the events of that night and made a comment that really offended not just officers in the Cambridge Police Department but officers around the country," Crowley told CNN affiliate WHDH-TV in Boston.
Obama said earlier he was "surprised by the controversy surrounding" his comments.
"I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home," Obama told ABC's "Nightline." Watch Crowley's boss defend the arrest »
When Obama waded into the story by answering a question about it during his news conference Wednesday night, he admitted that he "may be a little biased" because Gates is a friend.
"I don't know all the facts," he also conceded.
He said he did not know what role race played, but "the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home." iReport.com: Arrest sparks debate
Crowley, in the police report about the incident, said Gates refused to cooperate with him and repeatedly accusing him of racism when he went to Gates' home following a report of a possible break-in July 16.
Crowley said he tried to determine whether there was someone else at the home and wanted to ensure Gates' safety.
Gates, however, told him "that I had no idea who I was 'messing' with" and was being so loud that he could not give pertinent information to the department when he was calling in, the sergeant said.
Authorities have said they may release tapes of the officer calling in, in which Gates is heard in the background
Crowley's report said that when he asked to speak with Gates outside, the professor at one point responded, "I'll speak with your mama outside." Watch Crowley's response »
Gates' attorney, Charles Ogletree, said the professor never made such a remark.
The full story will show that Gates did nothing wrong -- and that Crowley did not identify himself at first, Ogletree said.
Gates said Wednesday he would listen to Crowley "if he would tell the truth about what he did, about the distortions that he fabricated in the police report. I would be prepared as a human being to forgive him."
Crowley has said he will not apologize. The police incident report states that Crowley twice provided his name to Gates, who subsequently asked for it two more times.
Gates ultimately was arrested for disorderly conduct, but the department later dropped the charges.
Cambridge police Commissioner Robert Haas said he "deeply regrets" the arrest but stands by the procedures his department followed.
"I trust [Crowley's] judgment implicitly. He is a stellar officer," Haas said.
He added the department is "very proud about its diversity within this community and how hard we've worked over the years to build a strong, solid relationship [between] the department and the community."
Haas said he agreed with Crowley about Obama's remarks.
"I have to tell you the officers take that very personally and basically feel hurt by that comment. We truly are trying to do the best service we can to the community and sometimes we make mistakes. We're human. But we learn from those mistakes and we move on," he said.
Numerous police officers, including African-Americans, have spoken up on Crowley's behalf and portrayed him as a good and fair officer. Crowley, who is white, had once been chosen by a black police officer to teach a police academy course on ways to avoid racial profiling.
Obama said he had heard of Crowley's record, saying, "I don't know all the extenuating circumstances, and as I said, I respect what police officers do. From what I can tell, the sergeant who was involved is an outstanding police officer, but my suspicion is probably it would have been better if cooler heads prevailed."
Gates' legal team argues that authorities are misrepresenting the professor and the officer, and Gates has said he is determined to keep the issue alive despite the charges being dropped.
"This is not about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America," he said this week.
Ogletree said Gates may bring forward people who say they've had similar experiences with Crowley.
When asked for examples, Ogletree said only that they may come out in time depending on how the police department handles the situation moving forward.
"I think you will be hearing much more complex and different perspective on him [Crowley] in the coming days and weeks," Ogletree said, alleging that Crowley "is well-known among people, particularly young people, for some of his police practices."
Gates has no immediate plans to file a lawsuit against the department, the attorney said. Ogletree had said earlier Gates might sue the police
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The geniuses of Wall Street 10 miles down the road from me were not too brilliant as far as I am concerned.
The genius Bush from Yale was just stellar in his performance.
Larry Summers is a joke and Harvard is going broke because of his recklessness.
Most ivy leaguers really believe the hype and are no better an than anyone else IMHO.
Of course the Ivy Leauge schools atrract great students, but I really dont believe they produce any better of a student at the end than many other colleges.
This post is ridiculous. For the few examples you just gave, you could show thousands of ivy grads who did great things. Harvard is the best school in the world, no doubt about it.
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We will agree to disagree. Yes, Harvard is one of the best schools, but I do not take someones' going there as evidence of any level of superiority or untouchable wisdom.
ZERO was sold as a brilliant Harvard lawyer. So far, I have seen nothing but complete incompetence, idiocy, and an utter lack of education in basic economics.
With respect to his legal prowess, the man never tried a case, not even a speeding ticket!
He thinks our constitution is flawed and that he is somehow more qualified to say what it should be as opposed to what it is. I dont know what in his background makes him think he qualified to say this, but that is another story.
I am not impressed by this man on any level and resent people trying to tell me that is a "brilliant Harvard lawyer" when he does not even grasp basic concepts on so many issues.
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We will agree to disagree. Yes, Harvard is one of the best schools, but I do not take someones' going there as evidence of any level of superiority or untouchable wisdom.
ZERO was sold as a brilliant Harvard lawyer. So far, I have seen nothing but complete incompetence, idiocy, and an utter lack of education in basic economics.
With respect to his legal prowess, the man never tried a case, not even a speeding ticket!
He thinks our constitution is flawed and that he is somehow more qualified to say what it should be as opposed to what it is. I dont know what in his background makes him think he qualified to say this, but that is another story.
I am not impressed by this man on any level and resent people trying to tell me that is a "brilliant Harvard lawyer" when he does not even grasp basic concepts on so many issues.
Ok, but your disdain for Obama is clouding your judgement. Harvard is by far the best college in the US. One of my best friends went for his undergrade and the work he did was epic. I went to BU, I can tell ya, it's not even close to Harvard.
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Ok, but your disdain for Obama is clouding your judgement. Harvard is by far the best college in the US. One of my best friends went for his undergrade and the work he did was epic. I went to BU, I can tell ya, it's not even close to Harvard.
I think alot of it has to do with being around the best students in the first place.
Look, if my kid got into Harvard, i would do whatever I could to send them there, but at the same time, I am not going to kid myself into thinking that someone who goes there is somehow smarter or more capable than everyone else.
I have met morons from harvard, and VERY SMART people who never went to college.
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I think alot of it has to do with being around the best students in the first place.
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Look, if my kid got into Harvard, i would do whatever I could to send them there, but at the same time, I am not going to kid myself into thinking that someone who goes there is somehow smarter or more capable than everyone else.
Agreed, it's the best school in the world. Most of the time someone who goes to Harvard is more capable academically than most everyone else. It's extremely hard to get into that school and they only accept the best of the best. I think what you meant is that academic smarts don't always translate into proper social/communication skills (which are imperative to successfull business people). You may run into a very smart harvard grad who has the people skills of a rock, and viola, you think he or she is an idiot.
I have met morons from Harvard, and VERY SMART people who never went to college.
Very true. But the vast majority of people you meet from Harvard would be considered very smart. I'd say 99% of them. Ill give 1% to the people who get in based on wealth and fame. They don't last long, though.
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That's not why Gates was arrested. He was arrest for disturbing the peace after was told, repeatedly, by Sgt. Crowley to calm down.
The police officer got this one right.
He was in his own house. That isn't disturbing the peace. He was disturbing Crowley's ego.
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He was in his own house. That isn't disturbing the peace. He was disturbing Crowley's ego.
False. Have you read all sides of the case? The officer was responding to a 911 call. When he asked Gates to step outside, Gates became combative. He insulted his mother and then went on a tirade. After several attempts to calm Gates failed, Crowley arrested Gates for disorderly conduct. I'm glad he did, Gates is nothing more than a man who lost control, then pulled the race card and tried to ruin Crowley's life. I hope they release the tapes and Gates is humiliated.
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False. Have you read all sides of the case? The officer was responding to a 911 call. When he asked Gates to step outside, Gates became combative. He insulted his mother and then went on a tirade. After several attempts to calm Gates failed, Crowley arrested Gates for disorderly conduct. I'm glad he did, Gates is nothing more than a man who lost control, then pulled the race card and tried to ruin Crowley's life. I hope they release the tapes and Gates is humiliated.
Yes I read the police report, which contains Crowley's version of the events. I'm assuming that Gates was acting a fool. That doesn't matter to me. The fact he was in his own house, proved it was his house, and hadn't broken any laws matter to me.
I think the cop acted appropriately when he responded to a reported break-in. Asked the right questions. Did what he was supposed to do, up to the point of arresting the guy. Just a bad decision on his part. The fact they immediately dropped the charges and the whole country is talking about it just further proves that arresting this guy was an error in judgment.
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Yes I read the police report, which contains Crowley's version of the events. I'm assuming that Gates was acting a fool. That doesn't matter to me. The fact he was in his own house, proved it was his house, and hadn't broken any laws matter to me.
I think the cop appropriately when he responded to a reported break-in. Asked the right questions. Did what he was supposed to do, up to the point of arresting the guy. Just a bad decision on his part. The fact they immediately dropped the charges and the whole country is talking about it just further proves that arresting this guy was an error in judgment.
The only reason everyone is talking about it is because Obama made an ass of himself at the PC with his comments.
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The only reason everyone is talking about it is because Obama made an ass of himself at the PC with his comments.
That helped fuel the fire, but the fact this guy is a prominent Harvard professor and it involves race allegations is what made this a story. I hope it goes away.
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Yes I read the police report, which contains Crowley's version of the events. I'm assuming that Gates was acting a fool. That doesn't matter to me. The fact he was in his own house, proved it was his house, and hadn't broken any laws matter to me.
I think the cop acted appropriately when he responded to a reported break-in. Asked the right questions. Did what he was supposed to do, up to the point of arresting the guy. Just a bad decision on his part. The fact they immediately dropped the charges and the whole country is talking about it just further proves that arresting this guy was an error in judgment.
I don't agree. Crowley didn't know this guy was friends with the President. He didn't know people knew him. He was doing his job, and this idiot pulled the race card.
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The only reason everyone is talking about it is because Obama made an ass of himself at the PC with his comments.
again your bias towards Obama clouds your judgement
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I don't agree. Crowley didn't know this guy was friends with the President. He didn't know people knew him. He was doing his job, and this idiot pulled the race card.
If I tell a cop that I think he is arresting me because I am black, thats a matter of my opinion...it doesn't warrant an arrest
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A I disagree..this would be a story regardless. It's a story in Boston for sure and would have been mentioned nationally due to the subject matter. Barry added alot of fuel to the fire.
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If I tell a cop that I think he is arresting me because I am black, thats a matter of my opinion...it doesn't warrant an arrest
Screaming racist crap at cops is a sure fire way t get arrested for DC.
"Ill meet yo mamma on the porch"
Gates is a rabble and a fool.
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This thing is getting to be a stupidly big deal.....Barry needs to drop this, get past it and let it die. He doesn't know the facts and should be above this crap. He has all kinds of intel on both nKorea and Iran, and he doesn't say anything, this thing blows and he's out there flapping his gums immediatly.
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If I tell a cop that I think he is arresting me because I am black, thats a matter of my opinion...it doesn't warrant an arrest
That's fine, but thats not how it went. Clearly you hear what you want to hear. It's been shown over and over that Crowley was not in the wrong. Hell, Obama just invited him to the white house for a beer. The only thing Crowley is guilty of is arresting a man who was acting belligerent and disorderly and who happened to be a man of color with powerful friends.
Crowley was defended by several prominent African American members of Boston society. All "Skip" had to do was show the officer his i.d and this whole situation would have been avoided. Instead, he said things about the guys mother and started screaming like a mad man. It's all on tape and it's going to come out. Again, this is not the case of an officer walking by and giving someone trouble for no reason. Look at the facts and don't let YOUR bias cloud your judgement. Crowley was responding to a 911 call to a home that had been broken into recently. He asks the idiot resident to show his i.d and the guy gives him a bunch of shit and starts acting like a crazy person. The same guy who was just seen by neighbors with another person breaking into the home. I'm glad he arrested his ass. Dope. But when you need the cops...well, thats a different story :-X
People in this country look for excuses to attack the cops ::)
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Any good officer would have locked this guy up for acting the way he did. Boo hoo.
Barry should keep his mouth shut about this. He has no knowledge of LE affairs and the president doesn't need to step in on such trivial manners when he can't run the country.
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Obama should never have opened his mouth on this subject in the first place. Just like with the Rush L. situation. He has to remeber that he is POTUS now, and he has to stay above the fray.
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Obama should never have opened his mouth on this subject in the first place. Just like with the Rush L. situation. He has to remeber that he is POTUS now, and he has to stay above the fray.
He's since tried to take most of it back....even invited Crowley to the White House for a beer. Obama and Patrick should be ashamed. It was a huge mistake for both of them, especially Duval Patrick. MA already hates the fucker.
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A I disagree..this would be a story regardless. It's a story in Boston for sure and would have been mentioned nationally due to the subject matter. Barry added alot of fuel to the fire.
He's the president... he can do what he wants and comment on what he wants...you don't like it, too bad!!!!...go cry somewhere :'(
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He's since tried to take most of it back....even invited Crowley to the White House for a beer. Obama and Patrick should be ashamed. It was a huge mistake for both of them, especially Duval Patrick. MA already hates the fucker.
This seems like a trend for Obama, he needs to stay out of it, he's no longer campaigning. If this just played out, it would have fizzled on it's own, Obama gave it new legs...This can be used against him. Unless it's something real big very socail, where it affect lot of people, then POTUS, whether he's black or white, shouldn't comment. Plus it gives the POTUS a certain vulnerability to the average citizen.
BTW, I supposed to go test drive a new M3 coupe tomorrow 8)
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That's fine, but thats not how it went. Clearly you hear what you want to hear. It's been shown over and over that Crowley was not in the wrong. Hell, Obama just invited him to the white house for a beer. The only thing Crowley is guilty of is arresting a man who was acting belligerent and disorderly and who happened to be a man of color with powerful friends.
Crowley was defended by several prominent African American members of Boston society. All "Skip" had to do was show the officer his i.d and this whole situation would have been avoided. Instead, he said things about the guys mother and started screaming like a mad man. It's all on tape and it's going to come out. Again, this is not the case of an officer walking by and giving someone trouble for no reason. Look at the facts and don't let YOUR bias cloud your judgement. Crowley was responding to a 911 call to a home that had been broken into recently. He asks the idiot resident to show his i.d and the guy gives him a bunch of shit and starts acting like a crazy person. The same guy who was just seen by neighbors with another person breaking into the home. I'm glad he arrested his ass. Dope. But when you need the cops...well, thats a different story :-X
People in this country look for excuses to attack the cops ::)
dude..thats all well and good..I agree with you that the cops were in the right up to the point of arresting Gates...he was being disorderly in his own house.....he wasn't a threat or danger to anyone...he just has a big mouth....yes Gates might be a dick but the cops should have said "fuck you" and left ;D
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U need to look at at the law. U can't do what he did and then expect to walk away. Further Barry needs to be above this crap....we wouldn't be talking about this if Barry said we should "let the investigation play out etc etc
" and gotten off the mike. Instead he went off half cocked against the racial profiling instructor for Cambridge PD, not exactly redneck racist heaven.
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dude..thats all well and good..I agree with you that the cops were in the right up to the point of arresting Gates...he was being disorderly in his own house.....he wasn't a threat or danger to anyone...he just has a big mouth....yes Gates might be a dick but the cops should have said "fuck you" and left ;D
lol. Yep.
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dude..thats all well and good..I agree with you that the cops were in the right up to the point of arresting Gates...he was being disorderly in his own house.....he wasn't a threat or danger to anyone...he just has a big mouth....yes Gates might be a dick but the cops should have said "fuck you" and left ;D
Misnomer
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U need to look at at the law. U can't do what he did and then expect to walk away. Further Barry needs to be above this crap....we wouldn't be talking about this if Barry said we should "let the investigation play out etc etc
" and gotten off the mike. Instead he went off half cocked against the racial profiling instructor for Cambridge PD, not exactly redneck racist heaven.
I agree that Obama should have never commented on this crap.
I don't agree with the law in this case and believe good police work involves picking battles that make sense. We can cite the law over and over again here and even prove that Gates violated it. But Gates acting a fool and the police taking the bait isn't worth just walking away once you find out its his home. Further more, a video tape of him being a fool would have been more damaging in the long run with out the police reacting to it. It would have shown the police being above his race baiting crap.
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Misnomer
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Thats ridiculous Jag, and all but the hardcore Obamabots like yourself realize Obama put his foot in his mouth with his comment.
It was just dumb.
"I DONT KNOW THE FACTS BUT THE COPS ACTED STUPIDLY"
Very Bush-like if you ask me.
Glad to see you finally on the side of unions, ...it's amazing how enough hatred for one man can prompt someone to embrace a socialist construct he's been so forceful in disparaging in the past. I don't think Obama put his foot in his mouth at all. He made clear he wasn't there, and laid out the facts as he understood them.
No one, not Gates, not Crowley and not the Cambridge Police Dept has to my knowledge disputed Obama's description of what occurred, or stated that Obama's understanding of the incident was inaccurate.
People can get all riled up by the Obama haters, if they want, ...or they can control their own thoughts,
and draw their own conclusions, by listening closely to Obama's response to the questions posed to him.
His comments on the Gates arrest start at 50:50
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No. It is backfiring on Obama for making his dumb remark.
Gates is known as a drama queen and this cop is the teacher in the PD of profiling.
From where I'm sitting... Obama is coming up smelling like roses on this one.
The nation is distracted when there are more important matters on the table
He's bringing the two sides together over a beer to solve their differences...
...so Americans can get past bickering amongst themselves and get about the business of the land
...the two sides get together to kiss and make nice nice with each other...
he gets to take credit for the dissipation of tensions between the African American community & law enforcement
Sounds like an Obama victory in the making to me. Change we can believe in.
Obama 1
Haters 0
The only thing that can screw it up now, is if Crowley gets too drunk, pulls his gun, and tries to shoot Gates in the middle of the Rose Garden, ...or if Gates tries to bugger Crowley upstairs in the Lincoln bedroom. That could be bad.
...but don't worry, healthcare reform isn't a fait accomplis just yet. You still get another kick at the can. :D
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Yes,Gates screamed "because Im a black man in America" HE MADE IT ABOUT RACE.HE WAS THE ONE!!!!THE COP NEVER ONCE MENTIONED RACE!GATES DID!!Then Gates continued to make it about race the next day,and today.Dont blame us,or the cop,blame Gates!!!!!!
The only two fucking idiots here are Gates,who made it about race and Obama who chimed in BECAUSE it was about race not knowing ONE FUCKING FACT in the case!!!I find it amazing that Obama will comment on this but not on his justice department dropping charges on the black panthers who were holding weapons and screaming at whites "now you will know what its like to be ruled by a black man ,cracker".Somehow,they werent acting "stupidly" the cop in the Gates case was.
I don't find it amazing at all. I think he commented on it because a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times, stood up in his press conference and asked him to comment on it. Perhaps you should get yourself some press credentials, and go to Obama's next press conference and pose your question to him? assuming security would even allow you to get within even 5 miles of the President {lol}
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Look, everyone knows you dont challenge a cop in public in front of other people.
Your argument supports the status quo. America voted for change it could believe in. :P
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The cops NEVER yelled at him.They asked him to step out of the house because of the echo coming from the house.THERE IS NOTHING in the report saying the cops raised their voices at him.He was screaming at them.
Do you really believe that? That's the hardest part of that report for me to swallow.
I could understand asking him to step out of the house, so the caller who was on the sidewalk could make a positive id, confirming he was the man she witnessed entering the home. This would assure the officer that despite Gates being identified as the lawful occupant, that there still wasn't a burglar inside the home, the actual perp the caller had witnessed. This makes sense to me. That would be thorough policing. It would be quite tragic for a perp to break into Gates' home moments before Gates arrived, have the cops come see Gates id, then leave him alone in his home with a dangerous perp unbeknownst to any of them, ...so calling him out of the home for this purpose, while inconvenient, can be considered reasonable in my estimation. But Crowley's report makes no mention of this. He claims he called him out due to the accoustics? I thought they were in Gates' hallway, not the Sydney Opera House! ???
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The one law you have when you are being questioned and that you MUST follow, is that you must identify yourself.
I believe that obligation goes both ways, ...especially for a police officer who enters the private home of a civilian uninvited. Gates fulfilled his obligation to that end. Crowley refused. He instead lured an innocent over the threshold of his property into a jurisdiction wherein he could lawfully make an arrest. It was stupid.
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U need to look at at the law. U can't do what he did and then expect to walk away. Further Barry needs to be above this crap....we wouldn't be talking about this if Barry said we should "let the investigation play out etc etc
" and gotten off the mike. Instead he went off half cocked against the racial profiling instructor for Cambridge PD, not exactly redneck racist heaven.
pssst: The investigation had played out, ...and the Cambridge PD dropped the charges calling the arrest regrettable.
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Jaguar you are making so much sense , it's amazing!!! :D
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haven't read the thread...but MOST police officers ARE stupid...
where else r you allowed to carry a gun and get paid for it...WITHOUT A DEGREE...
hell in certain parts of Maryland (Langley Park)...you can have been a felon and still become a police officer..
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i am not a fan of cops - but they were right here.
you don't stand in a house (with unknown other factors) and ask a potential intruder for ID. You don't know if he has a buddy hiding, a weapon, or if some resident of the house is gonna step outta his bedroom groggy and blindly fire a shotgun and the strangers in the living room.
You get the person outside and you identify them.
You do this for your own safety as a cop, and for the safety of the person being interviewed. Those cops didn't know who was in what bedroom, etc. Kids, pitbulls, whatever. And searching the place means you leave this unknown person in the living room while you do it.
You get the person outside and identify him. period. This isn't something to argue - the police readily admit it's procedure and it's what they did. if YOU were the cop, you'd want the person outside as well, to keep your ass safe from any number of unknown factors.
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This has to be the single dumbest fucking thing to waste time talking about. I rank this crap right up there with the entire nation talking about Paris Hilton. ::)
6 fucking pages? Really?
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This has to be the single dumbest fucking thing to waste time talking about. I rank this crap right up there with the entire nation talking about Paris Hilton. ::)
6 fucking pages? Really?
REALLY
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This has to be the single dumbest fucking thing to waste time talking about. I rank this crap right up there with the entire nation talking about Paris Hilton. ::)
6 fucking pages? Really?
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Yep. And your dumb ass has several posts in it as well.
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haven't read the thread...but MOST police officers ARE stupid...
where else r you allowed to carry a gun and get paid for it...WITHOUT A DEGREE...
Police officers are stupid for doing the job they do, taking the risks they take, working the hours they work, being disliked by a large percentage of the population and still thinking they can make a difference.
It takes a real dumbass to understand 1000+ pages of criminal code, 200 different department policies and be expected to make split second judgements, using both code and policy, based on limited and often faulty information. Plus the fact that most everyone watching has a cell phone recording what you do waiting for you to make a mistake that they can capitalize on.
It's easy to say cops make bad decisions when you get to read over a report of what happened. It's a completely different ballgame when YOU'RE the one that has to make the decision in the heat of the moment.
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Police officers are stupid for doing the job they do, taking the risks they take, working the hours they work, being disliked by a large percentage of the population and still thinking they can make a difference.
It takes a real dumbass to understand 1000+ pages of criminal code, 200 different department policies and be expected to make split second judgements, using both code and policy, based on limited and often faulty information. Plus the fact that most everyone watching has a cell phone recording what you do waiting for you to make a mistake that they can capitalize on.
It's easy to say cops make bad decisions when you get to read over a report of what happened. It's a completely different ballgame when YOU'RE the one that has to make the decision in the heat of the moment.
I'll agree with your statement. So supercop Crowley made a stupid decision. {shrug} no biggie.
Nobody died, and everyone lived to tell about it in the end, ...some more so than others.
He got his 15 minutes of fame, ...and got to share a beer with his nemesis and the POTUS. Can we move on now?
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Glad to see you finally on the side of unions, ...it's amazing how enough hatred for one man can prompt someone to embrace a socialist construct he's been so forceful in disparaging in the past. I don't think Obama put his foot in his mouth at all. He made clear he wasn't there, and laid out the facts as he understood them.
No one, not Gates, not Crowley and not the Cambridge Police Dept has to my knowledge disputed Obama's description of what occurred, or stated that Obama's understanding of the incident was inaccurate.
People can get all riled up by the Obama haters, if they want, ...or they can control their own thoughts,
and draw their own conclusions, by listening closely to Obama's response to the questions posed to him.
His comments on the Gates arrest start at 50:50
OMG Obama totally self own himself....I bet that Gates gave the officer a hell of a hard time before showing ID and yelled, screamed and kicked which is even according to Obama wrong.
The Police officer have to know that he isn't someone who try to impersonate the owner of the house but Gates was probably too mad and did what he did.
I wouldn't drop the charges and I would sue Obama.
Obama keeps shitting on the men that builds him, the military, police who's next? Fire fighters ?
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It's easy to say cops make bad decisions when you get to read over a report of what happened. It's a completely different ballgame when YOU'RE the one that has to make the decision in the heat of the moment.
COPS = whores for the local government..99% of em just are traffic nuisances and hand out tickets...
most r just a waste of space...or have the "me against the world" complex (as exemplified by your post)
legalize drugs...and 99% of the need for cops simply vanishes...poof!
COP = i ws too much of a faliure getting a criminal justice degree...OR...kids used to beat my fatass in high skool ;)
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COPS = whores for the local government..99% of em just are traffic nuisances and hand out tickets...
most r just a waste of space...or have the "me against the world" complex (as exemplified by your post)
legalize drugs...and 99% of the need for cops simply vanishes...poof!
COP = i ws too much of a faliure getting a criminal justice degree...OR...kids used to beat my fatass in high skool ;)
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how many cops ya know without massive self esteem complexes...?
ESPECIALLY true about female cops...
I rate them right up there emu poop!
alright ..alright...once in a while they clean up the mess on teh highway...ok fine..good garbage disposal men...and about as qualified :)
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pssst: The investigation had played out, ...and the Cambridge PD dropped the charges calling the arrest regrettable.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about 99% percent of the time. Living in Boston, I can tell you 99% of the population agrees with Crowley. The Cambridge police have backed away from their apology since the facts came out. Btw, the Cambridge police don't speak for Crowley who has told Gates he would not appologize. The mayor of Cambridge is friends with that scumbag Gates. No wonder she doesent have the balls to call it like it is. I hope the tapes of this fool acting like a madman come out.
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I believe that obligation goes both ways, ...especially for a police officer who enters the private home of a civilian uninvited. Gates fulfilled his obligation to that end. Crowley refused. He instead lured an innocent over the threshold of his property into a jurisdiction wherein he could lawfully make an arrest. It was stupid.
Do you even know what happened? I mean really. Crowley asked Gates to step out of his home to talk, and Gates said: Ill step outside with your momma. You twist and distort a story (leaving out huge pieces; the ones where Gates was acting like a madman) and act as if the poor African American man is the victim. I'm glad you don't live in America ::) Thank God!
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You have no fucking clue what you're talking about 99 percent of the time. Living in Boston, I can tell you 99% of the population agrees with Crowley.
How dare you tell lazy eye with the 170+ IQ that she's wrong!
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COPS = whores for the local government..99% of em just are traffic nuisances and hand out tickets...
most r just a waste of space...or have the "me against the world" complex (as exemplified by your post)
legalize drugs...and 99% of the need for cops simply vanishes...poof!
COP = i ws too much of a faliure getting a criminal justice degree...OR...kids used to beat my fatass in high skool ;)
I'm a cop with two degree's, own my own cabinet shop, and the only time I ever got my ass beat was in a boxing ring. I could care less about legalizing drugs, my job is enforcing laws and not creating them. 99% of the problems are caused by users of drugs, not caused by cops "busting" people for using them. Almost all of the interactions I have with the public are positive. If you're a criminal, the interactions aren't going to be so positive though.
As far as writing tickets, that is a very small part of law enforcement. That's just the most visable part to the public. Most is dealing with neighbors that can't get along, checking suspicious persons, taking larceny reports, investigating accidents and so on.
BTW..if you're a criminal, the cops are out to get you. If not, you're a paranoid SOB.
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I'm a cop with two degree's, own my own cabinet shop, and the only time I ever got my ass beat was in a boxing ring. I could care less about legalizing drugs, my job is enforcing laws and not creating them. 99% of the problems are caused by users of drugs, not caused by cops "busting" people for using them. Almost all of the interactions I have with the public are positive. If you're a criminal, the interactions aren't going to be so positive though.
As far as writing tickets, that is a very small part of law enforcement. That's just the most visable part to the public. Most is dealing with neighbors that can't get along, checking suspicious persons, taking larceny reports, investigating accidents and so on.
BTW..if you're a criminal, the cops are out to get you. If not, you're a paranoid SOB.
ToxicAvenger is an alcoholic, steroid abusing, drug addict who has spent the last decade in and out of rehab.
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Yeah, I thought I could feel a little resentment from him. ;D
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Yeah, I thought I could feel a little resentment from him. ;D
Just look at his posts. He wasn't the smartest guy on the block by any means but years of drug and alcohol abuse have left him with the intellectual capacities of a mentally challenged six year old. Fortunately for him, at 32 years old, his parents are still willing to let him live with them so it's not like he's out on the streets.
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I'm a cop with two degree's, own my own cabinet shop, and the only time I ever got my ass beat was in a boxing ring. I could care less about legalizing drugs, my job is enforcing laws and not creating them. 99% of the problems are caused by users of drugs, not caused by cops "busting" people for using them. Almost all of the interactions I have with the public are positive. If you're a criminal, the interactions aren't going to be so positive though.
As far as writing tickets, that is a very small part of law enforcement. That's just the most visable part to the public. Most is dealing with neighbors that can't get along, checking suspicious persons, taking larceny reports, investigating accidents and so on.
BTW..if you're a criminal, the cops are out to get you. If not, you're a paranoid SOB.
[Hugo] and who the fuck are you!? [Hugo]
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A friend. ;D
Are you calling Hugo for backup? ???
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how many cops ya know without massive self esteem complexes...?
ESPECIALLY true about female cops...
I rate them right up there emu poop!
alright ..alright...once in a while they clean up the mess on teh highway...ok fine..good garbage disposal men...and about as qualified :)
tsk, tsk, ...c'mon Toxie, you know cops do more than that.
Granted alot of cops have "issues", ...especially when it comes to relating to civilians, but that's just the nature of the beast. You try doing what they do, and see if you don't experience a few issues of your own. It's no picnic.
It's not easy being a cop. Nobody is perfect, ...least of all them. They make mistakes. It happens.
Then you have the complete and total jerks who have no business wearing the uniform. You got all kinds.
You can't however be under the impression that society is better off without them, ...just the dick head cops.
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You have no fucking clue what you're talking about 99% percent of the time. Living in Boston, I can tell you 99% of the population agrees with Crowley. The Cambridge police have backed away from their apology since the facts came out. Btw, the Cambridge police don't speak for Crowley who has told Gates he would not appologize. The mayor of Cambridge is friends with that scumbag Gates. No wonder she doesent have the balls to call it like it is. I hope the tapes of this fool acting like a madman come out.
What the police backed away from when the facts came out were the charges.
It was AFTER dropping charges against Gates, that the police Chief Haas referred to the incident as regrettable,
and admitted to the making of mistakes.
If the police are backing away from this position, ...why have they not re-instated charges against Gates? ???
Do you even know what happened? I mean really. Crowley asked Gates to step out of his home to talk, and Gates said: Ill step outside with your momma. You twist and distort a story (leaving out huge pieces; the ones where Gates was acting like a madman) and act as if the poor African American man is the victim.
Gates could have said "I'll step outside with your momma, your pappa, and your f-ing Aunty.
That doesn't warrant an arrest. It's rude, ...it's disrespectful, ...but it's not an arrestable offense.
I'm glad you don't live in America ::) Thank God!
I'm glad I don't live in America as well. You people make too much ado about nothing.
I honestly think people are flipping out because there's a Black man in the White House, and they are afraid he will start loading caucasians onto boxcars as revenge for the years of discrimination Blacks have had to endure.
If this situation had occurred, and it was Alan Keyes or Mike Steele who'd been arrested, and made those allegations, ...don't you think GW Bush would have heard about it as well? As I've stated soooo many times before:
"The role race played in this arrest has yet to be determined!"
What has been determined is that this arrest was stupid, unecessary, and completely avoidable.
The ultimate power, or decision making authority in this situation lay with Sgt. Crowley.
It was Crowley who made the arrest and it was HE who laid the charges. Charges which under scrutiny,
after all the facts were gathered were shown to lack merit, ...so they were therefore dropped.
What has yet to be determined however, is if Professor Gates' charges of racism have merit.
For the sake of argument, let us assume Professor Gates' charges of racism on Crowley's part have no merit whatsoever. The fact still remains he made a stupid decision, one reversed by the Cambridge Police Dept, and in so doing, provided a man with an agenda, a platform. Now, his reputation is tarnished, and you're up in arms screaming at me over a web forum. Does it not all sound stupid to you? It does to me.
Seriously Body88, ...you need to stop melting down, or we might have to start calling you Blob88. :D
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What the police backed away from when the facts came out were the charges.
It was AFTER dropping charges against Gates, that the police Chief Haas referred to the incident as regrettable,
and admitted to the making of mistakes.
If the police are backing away from this position, ...why have they not re-instated charges against Gates? ???
Gates could have said "I'll step outside with your momma, your pappa, and your f-ing Aunty.
That doesn't warrant an arrest. It's rude, ...it's disrespectful, ...but it's not an arrestable offense.
I'm glad I don't live in America as well. You people make too much ado about nothing.
"The role race played in this arrest has yet to be determined!"
Actually, across the board about 90% of disorderly conduct charges are dropped... The offense is on the books to allow for Officers to have a way to keep riots from ensuing and it works.
The way this has been handled from a police standpoint is pretty much on point with any law enforcement entity anywhere.
Did you know that the Duty Sergeant who was also on the premises during the arrest was black and backs the arrest?
It had ZERO to do with race.
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Actually, across the board about 90% of disorderly conduct charges are dropped... The offense is on the books to allow for Officers to have a way to keep riots from ensuing and it works.
The way this has been handled from a police standpoint is pretty much on point with any law enforcement entity anywhere.
Did you know that the Duty Sergeant who was also on the premises during the arrest was black and backs the arrest?
It had ZERO to do with race.
Have I said race was a factor? Can someone please point out to me where I've said race was a factor? anyone?
Personally, I couldn't care less if the Duty Sargeant is Black, blue, green, pink, purple, or chartreuse.
I have not said race had anything to do with Crowley's conduct. I'm saying Crowley made a stupid decision.
Do you really think Crowley was afraid that a feeble old man, unable to stand without his cane was going to overpower him, his fellow Cambridge PD officers, as well as the Harvard Campus police and start a riot?
As soon as he got the id, and established Gates as the lawful occupant, ...he should have left. End of story.
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I don't agree. Crowley didn't know this guy was friends with the President. He didn't know people knew him. He was doing his job, and this idiot pulled the race card.
I can't believe I missed this earlier.
Does anyone here for a minute think Crowley would have arrested Gates, had he known Gates was a prominent scholar connected all the way to the very White House itself?
...especially if, as Tu says, 90% of all disorderly conduct charges are routinely dropped?
And, if Crowley had to do it all over again, ...do you think he might do anything differently?
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I can't believe I missed this earlier.
Does anyone here for a minute think Crowley would have arrested Gates, had he known Gates was a prominent scholar connected all the way to the very White House itself?
...especially if, as Tu says, 90% of all disorderly conduct charges are routinely dropped?
And, if Crowley had to do it all over again, ...do you think he might do anything differently?
I can tell you that if someone was questioning me in my own home I would be pissed, but the Police got a report of his description breaking into the house (Obama said so himself), so he was pissed and went off line thus he should have been arrested.
I guess that in your little leftist world someone who is connected to the White House should never be arrested ::)
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I can tell you that if someone was questioning me in my own home I would be pissed, but the Police got a report of his description breaking into the house (Obama said so himself), so he was pissed and went off line thus he should have been arrested.
I guess that in your little leftist world someone who is connected to the White House should never be arrested ::)
No, in my world, innocent people have a right to be pissed in their own home and shouldn't get arrested for it.
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No, in my world, innocent people have a right to be pissed in their own home and shouldn't get arrested for it.
Obama : " he jimmied in and the Police did their job in responding".
Last I heard he wasn't arrested for breaking and entering but for disorderly conduct, to be honest I would have been thankful to them if they would arrive because it shows they do their job.
If they tell him that there was a report of someone that fit his description breaking into the house, which he did, than he should understand it's their job to check it throughly.
For fake pills sake! Any burglar can answer the door once the Police arrive and impersonate the owner....should they just say ohhh ok and bye bye? No they should check it throughly and he should corporate to make it finish swift and efficiently.
Your incompetent brain finally understand this?
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Obama : " he jimmied in and the Police did their job in responding".
Last I heard he wasn't arrested for breaking and entering but for disorderly conduct, to be honest I would have been thankful to them if they would arrive because it shows they do their job.
If they tell him that there was a report of someone that fit his description breaking into the house, which he did, than he should understand it's their job to check it throughly.
For fake pills sake! Any burglar can answer the door once the Police arrive and impersonate the owner....should they just say ohhh ok and bye bye? No they should check it throughly and he should corporate to make it finish swift and efficiently.
Your incompetent brain finally understand this?
Since you're trying soooo hard, I'll give you the response you're sooo desperately trying to evoke.
I don't recall this ever being in dispute.
There, ...ya happy now? I actually devoted 30 seconds to you. You can go off and die happily now. :)
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Since you're trying soooo hard, I'll give you the response you're sooo desperately trying to evoke.
I don't recall this ever being in dispute.
There, ...ya happy now? I actually devoted 30 seconds to you. You can go off and die happily now. :)
I wonder what will happen if Obama will say he saw some stupid pills on sale :-*
Anyway, the Police did their job, Gates got what he asked for, Obama should get sued.
There aren't two ways to look at this, all you Obama nut swingers simply can't admit he was wrong, if Bush would have said so you would have been protesting in the streets.
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Your argument supports the status quo. America voted for change it could believe in. :P
Jag, your ignorance and stupidity knows no bounds.
So now 52.7% voted for people yelling racist insults at cops?
People voted for a change from Bush, not a marxist radical dictatorship.
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Jag, your ignorance and stupidity knows no bounds.
So now 52.7% voted for people yelling racist insults at cops?
People voted for a change from Bush, not a marxist radical dictatorship.
What racist insults did Gates yell at Crowley?
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What racist insults did Gates yell at Crowley?
He yelled at him "You can talk to my mama outside".Now,if a white guy said that to a black cop how do you think that would have went down?This sawed off little racist will soon be exposed when the tapes are released and you will look like an idiot for defending him.
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He yelled at him "You can talk to my mama outside".Now,if a white guy said that to a black cop how do you think that would have went down?This sawed off little racist will soon be exposed when the tapes are released and you will look like an idiot for defending him.
Where are the racist insults you allege Gates hurled at Crowley?
Are you alleging that any disrespectful comment stated to a law enforcement officer who does not share your ethnicity, that it's racism? Is that what you're saying?
Who's defending Gates? I'm defending President Obama and his assessment of the situation. It was stupid!
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Who's defending Gates? I'm defending President Obama and his assessment of the situation. It was stupid!
It's stupid to comment on ANY issue and then follow it up with a statement saying you don't know all the facts. He's a President with training wheels.
It's blatantly obvious that all of his actions after those statements have been damage control, because he was about to get destroyed over them.
It's OK to admit he made a mistake.
I live in the same area as Body88. His assessment has been spot on. Believe me, we can't avoid getting bombarded with this up here. It's everywhere. In fact, it's the main topic on sports radio shows up here. That's insane, given the fanatic climate of sports fans here.
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Where are the racist insults you allege Gates hurled at Crowley?
Are you alleging that any disrespectful comment stated to a law enforcement officer who does not share your ethnicity, that it's racism? Is that what you're saying?
Who's defending Gates? I'm defending President Obama and his assessment of the situation. It was stupid!
Yes,thats the way you people on the left have made it.When Trent Lott made an innocent comment praising an old man you wanted him drummed out of the senate,Don Imus was fired for a silly comment,Jimmy the greek fired,Al Campannis fired BUT Jaime Foxx on his show calls Mily Cirus a white bitch,nothing happens.
So,if you want to make an issue of race every single time,now we are going to do the same.Gates is a racist,shot his sawed off mouth off and went to jail.Let him sue if he thinks he was wronged.My bet?He wont sue because he knows whats on the tapes.Obama/Wright jumped in and will soon be exposed as to what he is ,a racist scum bag who hates whites.
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The president made a mistake in his comment. He should have replaced 'Cop' with 'Gates' when he was referred to the person acting stupidly in this case.
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Jag, your ignorance and stupidity knows no bounds.
So now 52.7% voted for people yelling racist insults at cops?
People voted for a change from Bush, not a marxist radical dictatorship.
you must be looking in the mirror as you say this
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Where are the racist insults you allege Gates hurled at Crowley?
Are you alleging that any disrespectful comment stated to a law enforcement officer who does not share your ethnicity, that it's racism? Is that what you're saying?
Who's defending Gates? I'm defending President Obama and his assessment of the situation. It was stupid!
exactly...no one here is actually defending gates' actions....we are saying the officer was wrong to arrest him..the guy was in his own house...should have just left
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exactly...no one here is actually defending gates' actions....we are saying the officer was wrong to arrest him..the guy was in his own house...should have just left
That's funny considering the hispanic and black cop agreed with Crowley.
Gates is a typical racist poverty pimp hustler. The cop was there to protect the property and this scum bag Gates starts with the raciall crap?
Screw him and ZERO. Both of them are fools.
"I DONT KNOW THE FACTS, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTED STUPIDLY"
"I'LL SEE YO MAMMA ON THE PORCH"
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From where I'm sitting... Obama is coming up smelling like roses on this one.
The nation is distracted when there are more important matters on the table
He's bringing the two sides together over a beer to solve their differences...
...so Americans can get past bickering amongst themselves and get about the business of the land
...the two sides get together to kiss and make nice nice with each other...
he gets to take credit for the dissipation of tensions between the African American community & law enforcement
Sounds like an Obama victory in the making to me. Change we can believe in.
Obama 1
Haters 0
The only thing that can screw it up now, is if Crowley gets too drunk, pulls his gun, and tries to shoot Gates in the middle of the Rose Garden, ...or if Gates tries to bugger Crowley upstairs in the Lincoln bedroom. That could be bad.
...but don't worry, healthcare reform isn't a fait accomplis just yet. You still get another kick at the can. :D
You must be sitting in another dimension because most people think Obama looks bad on this one.
Actually, it really made him look like a fool.
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He was in his own house. That isn't disturbing the peace. He was disturbing Crowley's ego.
Read the police report. He followed Crowley outside and continued to yell at him and make a scene. In Massachusetts that is considered disturbing the peace.
He was warned twice to calm down and did not. Even after Crowley gave him his name TWICE and was exiting his house to wait for the Harvard campus police.
If you don't like the law take it up with the politicians in Massachusetts.
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Read the police report. He followed Crowley outside and continued to yell at him and make a scene. In Massachusetts that is considered disturbing the peace.
He was warned twice to calm down and did not. Even after Crowley gave him his name TWICE and was exiting his house to wait for the Harvard campus police.
If you don't like the law take it up with the politicians in Massachusetts.
I read the police report. The man was on his own property. That's the distinguishing factor for me.
I don't have a problem with the law. I have a problem with how it was enforced. Apparently the police did too, because they immediately dropped the charges.
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I read the police report. The man was on his own property. That's the distinguishing factor for me.
I don't have a problem with the law. I have a problem with how it was enforced. Apparently the police did too, because they immediately dropped the charges.
Beach:
I learned early on, never challenge a cop in public in front of other officers and people.
Gates was simply a moron in this.
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I read the police report. The man was on his own property. That's the distinguishing factor for me.
I don't have a problem with the law. I have a problem with how it was enforced. Apparently the police did too, because they immediately dropped the charges.
It was dropped because Obama helped his friend....talk about favoritism :o
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Beach:
I learned early on, never challenge a cop in public in front of other officers and people.
Gates was simply a moron in this.
I agree. I've talked to more than one cop who said a person's attitude dictates how the person is treated. I'd never yell at a cop.
Yes Gates was a moron, but he was a moron on his own property. A person should have the right to act like a moron on his or her own property.
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if YOU are a cop, and you stumble upon a report of TWO intruders, as the 911 clal showed...
and you only walk in and see ONE man..
you're going to get the first guy out to ensure the 2nd guy isn't in the bedroom with a shotgun ready to ruin your day.
They had a called telling them there were TWo intruders - listen to the 911 call - they thought there was a second guy. And this was a high break in neighborhood.
police 101, and I bet kh300 backs this as well. If you think there are two bad guys, you don't interview one in the house with unknowns in the rooms. You take 1st guy outside for an ID and then you look for a second guy.
And, if guy #1 starts screaming shit about your mama.... and you don't know who is in other rooms, you certainly cuff his ass and put him in the car.
Of course, most of you are some slipping ass fools who would have sat down in the kitchen and checked out IDs while bad guy #2 could have come out of nowhere. The cops were told 2 bad guys, and they did the smart thing.
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I agree. I've talked to more than one cop who said a person's attitude dictates how the person is treated. I'd never yell at a cop.
Yes Gates was a moron, but he was a moron on his own property. A person should have the right to act like a moron on his or her own property.
Being on your own property does not give you license to disturb the peace - which is what he did and why he was rightfully arrested.
Like someone stated in an earlier post, the charges were dropped for political reasons.
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if YOU are a cop, and you stumble upon a report of TWO intruders, as the 911 clal showed...
and you only walk in and see ONE man..
you're going to get the first guy out to ensure the 2nd guy isn't in the bedroom with a shotgun ready to ruin your day.
They had a called telling them there were TWo intruders - listen to the 911 call - they thought there was a second guy. And this was a high break in neighborhood.
police 101, and I bet kh300 backs this as well. If you think there are two bad guys, you don't interview one in the house with unknowns in the rooms. You take 1st guy outside for an ID and then you look for a second guy.
And, if guy #1 starts screaming shit about your mama.... and you don't know who is in other rooms, you certainly cuff his ass and put him in the car.
Of course, most of you are some slipping ass fools who would have sat down in the kitchen and checked out IDs while bad guy #2 could have come out of nowhere. The cops were told 2 bad guys, and they did the smart thing.
Come on 240..I would have backed off and called in a friend for help.....only way to be sure.
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Being on your own property does not give you license to disturb the peace - which is what he did and why he was rightfully arrested.
Like someone stated in an earlier post, the charges were dropped for political reasons.
Was he really disturbing the peace? Sounds more like he was offending the cop. People yell in their own house all the time (you should hear some of the stuff that goes on at my house :)). Loud music. Parties. People don't arrested for yelling at their own house, unless there is some kind of domestic violence going on, etc.
How do we know the charges were dropped for political reasons? Did Obama make a phone call? Or did they simply realize they arrested a high mucky muck and that he never should have been arrested in the first place? (I believe the latter.)
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Who gives a fuck the guy was acting like an asshole, got arrested. Doesn't the POTUS have better things to do than get involved in this Mickey Mouse shit?
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Was he really disturbing the peace? Sounds more like he was offending the cop. People yell in their own house all the time (you should hear some of the stuff that goes on at my house :)). Loud music. Parties. People don't arrested for yelling at their own house, unless there is some kind of domestic violence going on, etc.
Maybe you should ask the cop. From what the available police reports state he was warned on TWO occasions to calm down. He followed the police officer out of the house and continued to yell and make a public scene. In Massachusetts that's illegal.
How do we know the charges were dropped for political reasons? Did Obama make a phone call? Or did they simply realize they arrested a high mucky muck and that he never should have been arrested in the first place? (I believe the latter.)
It's all in the papers and online news websites. This guy is a well know liberal who just happens to be friends with the mayer AND Obama. Go ahead and draw your own conclusions. You're going to anyways.
In the meantime while the major news outlets are covering this race-baiting asshole the country is going to shit. This country has bigger fish to fry than to deal with some asshat with an ego who got pissed with police officers were called to investigate a suspected break in.
That knob better hope he has a good security system because I think if anyone ever does try to break into that house the police will take their sweet ass time showing up.
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Yes,thats the way you people on the left have made it.When Trent Lott made an innocent comment praising an old man you wanted him drummed out of the senate,Don Imus was fired for a silly comment,Jimmy the greek fired,Al Campannis fired BUT Jaime Foxx on his show calls Mily Cirus a white bitch,nothing happens.
I've never commented on Trent Lott, or Jimmy the Greek, or Al Campannis. I'm not familiar with their situation.
I've never maintained Don imus should have been fired, ...although I thought his comment was highly innappropriate.
As for Jamie Foxx... my understanding is that he wasn't the one who referred to Miley Cyrus as a white bitch. In any event, I did find the rhetoric highly offensive, and Jamie did issue a public apology to both Miley & Billy Ray.
So,if you want to make an issue of race every single time,now we are going to do the same.Gates is a racist,shot his sawed off mouth off and went to jail.Let him sue if he thinks he was wronged.My bet?He wont sue because he knows whats on the tapes.Obama/Wright jumped in and will soon be exposed as to what he is ,a racist scum bag who hates whites.
I'm not making an issue of race, I'm making an issue of stupid decisions made by Crowley.
Where are the racist comments you allege Gates hurled at Crowley?
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Hello, Jaggy. :)
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Was he really disturbing the peace? Sounds more like he was offending the cop. People yell in their own house all the time (you should hear some of the stuff that goes on at my house :)). Loud music. Parties. People don't arrested for yelling at their own house, unless there is some kind of domestic violence going on, etc.
How do we know the charges were dropped for political reasons? Did Obama make a phone call? Or did they simply realize they arrested a high mucky muck and that he never should have been arrested in the first place? (I believe the latter.)
1) Apparently he did. There was a crowd in front of his house.
2) We can all make assumptions on why the charges were dropped, until the truth comes out, no one point is more valid than the other.
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Maybe you should ask the cop. From what the available police reports state he was warned on TWO occasions to calm down. He followed the police officer out of the house and continued to yell and make a public scene. In Massachusetts that's illegal.
It's all in the papers and online news websites. This guy is a well know liberal who just happens to be friends with the mayer AND Obama. Go ahead and draw your own conclusions. You're going to anyways.
In the meantime while the major news outlets are covering this race-baiting asshole the country is going to shit. This country has bigger fish to fry than to deal with some asshat with an ego who got pissed with police officers were called to investigate a suspected break in.
That knob better hope he has a good security system because I think if anyone ever does try to break into that house the police will take their sweet ass time showing up.
I agree this shouldn't be a national issue. It really needs to go away.
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1) Apparently he did. There was a crowd in front of his house.
2) We can all make assumptions on why the charges were dropped, until the truth comes out, no one point is more valid than the other.
I doubt we ever know the truth about why the charges were dropped. Do you honestly think the police department will say he shouldn't have been arrested? Also, I doubt they would admit that they dropped the charges because Obama called them.
I can't believe the whole country is talking about this. Really a shame how the media leads us all around by the ear.
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Hello, Jaggy. :)
Hi Honey! :-* Long time no see. where ya been?
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if YOU are a cop, and you stumble upon a report of TWO intruders, as the 911 clal showed...
and you only walk in and see ONE man..
you're going to get the first guy out to ensure the 2nd guy isn't in the bedroom with a shotgun ready to ruin your day.
They had a called telling them there were TWo intruders - listen to the 911 call - they thought there was a second guy. And this was a high break in neighborhood.
police 101, and I bet kh300 backs this as well. If you think there are two bad guys, you don't interview one in the house with unknowns in the rooms. You take 1st guy outside for an ID and then you look for a second guy.
And, if guy #1 starts screaming shit about your mama.... and you don't know who is in other rooms, you certainly cuff his ass and put him in the car.
Of course, most of you are some slipping ass fools who would have sat down in the kitchen and checked out IDs while bad guy #2 could have come out of nowhere. The cops were told 2 bad guys, and they did the smart thing.
This comes from a trailer park living, 300$ shitty site making dude?
Did you forgot some of us have military training...in urban surroundings .....
Let me guess...your next post will involve math...your best skill ;)
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This comes from a trailer park living,
We did see a lot of police when living in the trailer park.
They always did the same thing. get the person outside before talking or Id'ing or anything else.
Police konw and control the environment outside. When you're inside, you have no clue if a bad guy is in bedroom or bathroom or closet or anything else.
Police don't like to hang out in houses when they're told there are 2 burglars and they only see one man.
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We did see a lot of police when living in the trailer park.
They always did the same thing. get the person outside before talking or Id'ing or anything else.
Police konw and control the environment outside. When you're inside, you have no clue if a bad guy is in bedroom or bathroom or closet or anything else.
Police don't like to hang out in houses when they're told there are 2 burglars and they only see one man.
These may all be well and true, ...but what do they have to do with arresting Gates? ???
Ya, ...there could have been a bad guy in the house, ...but he had already id'ed Gates as the lawful occupant.
What purpose did arresting him have? ...keeping him safe from a potential boogey-man hiding under his bed? :D
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he talked (or screamed) shit about their mamas.
they should have walked away, but most men aren't gonna do that.
They take their mamas seriously.
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he talked (or screamed) shit about their mamas.
they should have walked away, but most men aren't gonna do that.
They take their mamas seriously.
However, is that an arrestable offense?
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However, is that an arrestable offense?
it's a gray area with 'disturbing the peace'.
cops have that discretion. I dont agree with it. I think it opens up abuses. But there is no clear law. There should be one.
How loud was gates? if he was screaming at them, he opened up the door to 'disturbing the peace' charge.
Sounds like both the cop and Gates were a-holes to each other. "Sir, please step outside" was the request. His reponse was to decline, and insult the cop's mom. He was begging them to take action. None of us in our right mind would say that to a cop after we just climbed in a window at 3 am.
I dont think race had ANYTHING to do with things. I think a guy refusing their request then insulting their mother is why he ended up in cuffs.
it's tricky. What happens to our society if everyone yells "F**k you and your mama" to the police when they show up to investiate police calls?
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it's a gray area with 'disturbing the peace'.
cops have that discretion. I dont agree with it. I think it opens up abuses. But there is no clear law. There should be one.
I think that's the main issue. Was there an abuse of the authority Crowley had? Was this a dick swinging contest?
If so, Crowley is definitely in the wrong. HE is the officer with the authority to make arrests, as such, he must be held accountable for how he exercises that authority entrusted to him, and using it to settle petty grievances is abuse.
How loud was gates? if he was screaming at them, he opened up the door to 'disturbing the peace' charge.
Sounds like both the cop and Gates were a-holes to each other. "Sir, please step outside" was the request. His reponse was to decline, and insult the cop's mom. He was begging them to take action. None of us in our right mind would say that to a cop after we just climbed in a window at 3 am.
We might if we were in our own homes, and not breaking any laws.
Furthermore, ...this wasn't a guy crawling in through a window at 3 am.
This was a man who was approached in his own home, in broad daylight at 12:44pm in the afternoon.
I dont think race had ANYTHING to do with things. I think a guy refusing their request then insulting their mother is why he ended up in cuffs.
Is that disturbing the peace, or disorderly conduct?
Or is that being rude & arrogant? If rudeness & arrogance were arrestable offenses,
...95% of GetBig would be rotting behind bars, without any chance of ever seeing the light of day. :-\
it's tricky. What happens to our society if everyone yells "F**k you and your mama" to the police when they show up to investiate police calls?
Gates didn't yell "F**k you and your momma", ...but even if he had, ...it was already establish he was in his own home. What happens to society when police use the authority they are entrusted with to settle petty grievances, or as a salve to hurt feelings. It would be worse than living in some 3rd world African country where the cops freely walk through communities simply taking what they want, ...whether it be your money, your property, ...or your wife.
With the authority, comes accountability for how it's wielded. That's part of what makes America so great...
the requirement that those entrusted with power & authority, be held accountable for how they wield it.
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I dont think race had ANYTHING to do with things. I think a guy refusing their request then insulting their mother is why he ended up in cuffs.
I agree.
Look at the old lady who was tazered after "agitating" an officer during a traffic stop.
Both cop and old lady were white.
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Is that disturbing the peace, or disorderly conduct?
Or is that being rude & arrogant? If rudeness & arrogance were arrestable offenses,
...95% of GetBig would be rotting behind bars, without any chance of ever seeing the light of day. :-\
Gates didn't yell "F**k you and your momma", ...but even if he had, ...it was already establish he was in his own home.
Actually, there is a law called "Curse and Abuse" in certain states... It does allow for people to be arrested for cursing at a police officer.
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Actually, there is a law called "Curse and Abuse" in certain states... It does allow for people to be arrested for cursing at a police officer.
Does this law exist in MA?
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Actually, there is a law called "Curse and Abuse" in certain states... It does allow for people to be arrested for cursing at a police officer.
If for nothing else, Gates exposed himself for being a complete jackass.
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If for nothing else, Gates exposed himself for being a complete jackass.
And an opportunist, and a race baiter and.....
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Its amazing to me that someone with a PHD can resort tot his type of behavior so quickly.
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love it when the left wing nit wits keep saying "he was in his home".The guy FOLOWED the cop onto the porch and kept screaming at him.As far as Im concerned,this is a threat,if ANYONE was screaming at a cop FOLLOWING him after the cop turned to walk away they would be arrested.
Now,we all heard the 911 call.ANYONE still trying to say this was a case of racial profiling?Do we need to hear from nit wits like Michael Dyson on this anymore?
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Does this law exist in MA?
I don't live there, so I don't know... You realize you are in the minority anywhere who would defend him.
Did you watch my video? Maybe you should check it out.
Here... I'll repost it.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
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this aint a race thing...if the cop was white and arresting a white man for screaming at a cop in his own house...Billy would be defending the homeowner...
I like you billy. You are a firey man and someone i would go to war with in iraq or something. But you are a stone cold racist...no doubt about it
true story...
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this aint a race thing...if the cop was white and arresting a white man for screaming at a cop in his own house...Billy would be defending the homeowner...
I like you billy. You are a firey man and someone i would go to war with in iraq or something. But you are a stone cold racist...no doubt about it
true story...
Mal,I know others on here tremble at the thought of being labeled a racist,sorry,I dont.In fact,if guys like you and other Obama supporters didnt think of me a racist,then Id be concerned.
Now,to your point,Id EXPECT a cop to club me or anyone else for saying "you can talk to my mama outside".I used to be a corrections officer,and Ive seen guys get choked out for MUCH less then that.So,sorry,if that cop was white and the guy was white,Id expect the cop to teach him a lesson.I know you live in LA,I used to live on the east coast and I have MANY friends who are cops,and believe me,if ANYONE white,black,red,green,shot their mouth off to them like that,they would get a beatdown you wouldnt believe.Gates WAS NOT IN HIS HOUSE,HE FOLLOWED THE COP OUTSIDE AND CONTINUED TO INSULT HIM.Now,as a LA resident,how do you think you would have made out treating an LA cop like that?Gates made out pretty well in my opinion and the cop showed much better restraint then most I know.
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I don't live there, so I don't know... You realize you are in the minority anywhere who would defend him.
Did you watch my video? Maybe you should check it out.
Here... I'll repost it.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
It's because I'm black isn't it? ;D
Seriously, ...I saw the link. And I completely understand what she is saying.
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying. I'm not commenting on the race aspect.
I'm simply saying ...surely this didn't have to culminate in an arrest. I'm not defending Gates, I'm defending Obama.
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Mal,I know others on here tremble at the thought of being labeled a racist,sorry,I dont.In fact,if guys like you and other Obama supporters didnt think of me a racist,then Id be concerned.
Now,to your point,Id EXPECT a cop to club me or anyone else for saying "you can talk to my mama outside".I used to be a corrections officer,and Ive seen guys get choked out for MUCH less then that.So,sorry,if that cop was white and the guy was white,Id expect the cop to teach him a lesson.I know you live in LA,I used to live on the east coast and I have MANY friends who are cops,and believe me,if ANYONE white,black,red,green,shot their mouth off to them like that,they would get a beatdown you wouldnt believe.Gates WAS NOT IN HIS HOUSE,HE FOLLOWED THE COP OUTSIDE AND CONTINUED TO INSULT HIM.Now,as a LA resident,how do you think you would have made out treating an LA cop like that?Gates made out pretty well in my opinion and the cop showed much better restraint then most I know.
This is the problem I have with all of it. The arrest seems punitive to me. Police are supposed to be above this.
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I actually agree with Obama on this one. You don't arrest someone at their own home after they established that it is their home.
That would require Gates producing ID, which he did not.
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That would require Gates producing ID, which he did not.
Actually he did.
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it's safe to say both parties acted the fool.
If Gates didn't like being asked to come outside, he should have follwoed the order then filed suit. He is a top lawyer and could have won some money and an apology.
instead, he comes out talking shit like an uneducated fool, begging the police to beat him up.
Race has nothing to do with it. maturity and ego do.
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Mal,I know others on here tremble at the thought of being labeled a racist,sorry,I dont.In fact,if guys like you and other Obama supporters didnt think of me a racist,then Id be concerned.
Now,to your point,Id EXPECT a cop to club me or anyone else for saying "you can talk to my mama outside".I used to be a corrections officer,and Ive seen guys get choked out for MUCH less then that.So,sorry,if that cop was white and the guy was white,Id expect the cop to teach him a lesson.I know you live in LA,I used to live on the east coast and I have MANY friends who are cops,and believe me,if ANYONE white,black,red,green,shot their mouth off to them like that,they would get a beatdown you wouldnt believe.Gates WAS NOT IN HIS HOUSE,HE FOLLOWED THE COP OUTSIDE AND CONTINUED TO INSULT HIM.Now,as a LA resident,how do you think you would have made out treating an LA cop like that?Gates made out pretty well in my opinion and the cop showed much better restraint then most I know.
Dude, even beyond race, what you are describing are just bad cops. It's not a crime to mouth off to a cop and cops certainly don't have a right to beat people. Maybe you would expect a cop to act like a bad ass in the situations you described, but you should also expect him to face some type of prosecution because he was behaving in an illegal manner.
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Dude, even beyond race, what you are describing are just bad cops. It's not a crime to mouth off to a cop and cops certainly don't have a right to beat people. Maybe you would expect a cop to act like a bad ass in the situations you described, but you should also expect him to face some type of prosecution because he was behaving in an illegal manner.
Either way, Gates exposed himself to be a complete jackass. For a someone with a PHD to say "I'll see yo mamma on the porch" is just ridiculous.
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Either way, Gates exposed himself to be a complete jackass. For a someone with a PHD to say "I'll see yo mamma on the porch" is just ridiculous.
Either way, that doesn't justify any and all actions a cop may decide to take.
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I'm not defending Gates, I'm defending Obama.
I’ll defend him, too.
At 1:10 he clearly states that, “I don’t know…not having been there…and not seeing all the facts...what role race played in that...”
That’s a very clear self-admission that he was not completely informed about the situation and thus is not qualified or justified in drawing any type of conclusion based on anything other than speculation.
His semantics concede that his accusations regarding Crowley, the Cambridge PD, and their association with racial profiling are merely speculative theories at best.
And I can understand the resentment of the police. Nobody likes accusations of stupidity and racism.
It’s somewhat analogous to locking yourself out of your house and then feeling like a criminal when the police stop by to question why you're breaking into your own home.
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Some people just dont know where entertainment and college classroom ends and real life begins.
I bet gates just got done listeing to this.
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Some people just dont know where entertainment and college classroom ends and real life begins.
I bet gates just got done listeing to this.
Do you honestly believe that a Harvard PhD of his age, actually listens to this type of music?
...or are you just being a little brat? ...it's hard to tell with you sometimes.
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Hi Honey! :-* Long time no see. where ya been?
I've been busy. :-\
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I’ll defend him, too.
At 1:10 he clearly states that, “I don’t know…not having been there…and not seeing all the facts...what role race played in that...”
That’s a very clear self-admission that he was not completely informed about the situation and thus is not qualified or justified in drawing any type of conclusion based on anything other than speculation.
His semantics concede that his accusations regarding Crowley, the Cambridge PD, and their association with racial profiling are merely speculative theories at best.
Exactly! No where in there does he state Gates is correct in his assertion Crowley was a racist, and he prefaces his comments by stating he may have some bias due to his friendship with Gates. (full commentary starts at 50:50)
He also makes it clear based on the information that has been revealed, that it was just stupid to arrest the guy.
This is just plain common sense. You interrupt and inconvenience a guy in an already agitated state, walk away,
...don't inflame matters worse by arresting him for disorderly conduct. That's just stupid. Don't warn the guy to calm down, ...he doesn't have to calm down. He's in his own home, he has every right to be angry, ...even if his anger is the result of a fictitious klansman conjured in his own mind. Walk away, and let him go back inside his house and stew. Let him smash his dishes and punch the walls if he wants... just walk away and leave him alone.
And I can understand the resentment of the police. Nobody likes accusations of stupidity and racism.
It’s somewhat analogous to locking yourself out of your house and then feeling like a criminal when the police stop by to question why you're breaking into your own home.
There was more than enough stupidity to go around, ...but the buck eventually stops with the one with the authority to make the arrest.
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I've been busy. :-\
Too busy to come out to play with me? :'(
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Exactly! No where in there does he state Gates is correct in his assertion Crowley was a racist, and he prefaces his comments by stating he may have some bias due to his friendship with Gates. (full commentary starts at 50:50)
He also makes it clear based on the information that has been revealed, that it was just stupid to arrest the guy.
This is just plain common sense. You interrupt and inconvenience a guy in an already agitated state, walk away,
...don't inflame matters worse by arresting him for disorderly conduct. That's just stupid. Don't warn the guy to calm down, ...he doesn't have to calm down. He's in his own home, he has every right to be angry, ...even if his anger is the result of a fictitious klansman conjured in his own mind. Walk away, and let him go back inside his house and stew. Let him smash his dishes and punch the walls if he wants... just walk away and leave him alone.
There was more than enough stupidity to go around, ...but the buck eventually stops with the one with the authority to make the arrest.
Good.
Now I’ll play devil’s advocate.
While not directly attributing racism, O certainly suggests the possibility by insinuating a type of connection between this incident and general instances of LE profiling.
O admitted personal bias.
He admitted he didn’t have nearly all the facts.
He attacked (criticized) the officer involved - later admitting that was erroneous.
Will you still defend his original statements above after those admissions - even after he himself admitted the blunder?
#2:
If Gates gets an apology from Crowley over this beer (that will likely cost me a couple hundred thousand dollars in tax money) do you think Crowley deserves one from Obama and/or Gates as well?
Please explain why or why not.
Similarities:
O admitted personal bias. Police receive call of burglary in process and show up at house expecting to find a burglar. That’s their bias.
O admitted he didn’t have nearly all the facts. Police don’t know for sure who Gates is burglar or other.
O attacked (criticized) the officer involved. Gates is arrested & charged – later dropped.
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It's because I'm black isn't it? ;D
Seriously, ...I saw the link. And I completely understand what she is saying.
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying. I'm not commenting on the race aspect.
I'm simply saying ...surely this didn't have to culminate in an arrest. I'm not defending Gates, I'm defending Obama.
No it doesn't have to culminate in an arrest, however you have to be honest and say that Gates didn't have to say the things he did.
He didn't have to make an issue of the situation. Just like the cop didn't.
It took both of them to have the situation escalate to that point.
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Good.
Now I’ll play devil’s advocate.
While not directly attributing racism, O certainly suggests the possibility by insinuating a type of connection between this incident and general instances of LE profiling.
O admitted personal bias.
He admitted he didn’t have nearly all the facts.
He attacked (criticized) the officer involved - later admitting that was erroneous.
Will you still defend his original statements above after those admissions - even after he himself admitted the blunder?
#2:
If Gates gets an apology from Crowley over this beer (that will likely cost me a couple hundred thousand dollars in tax money) do you think Crowley deserves one from Obama and/or Gates as well?
Please explain why or why not.
Similarities:
O admitted personal bias. Police receive call of burglary in process and show up at house expecting to find a burglar. That’s their bias.
O admitted he didn’t have nearly all the facts. Police don’t know for sure who Gates is burglar or other.
O attacked (criticized) the officer involved. Gates is arrested & charged – later dropped.
I believe we are the sum of our experiences. if we are consistently confronted with racism, ...we will immediately weigh things in light of racism... real or perceived. If I'm poked with a stick every day of my life, ...if you confront me with a stick, ...I may have more of a gut level reaction that someone who has never seen a stick.
1) Gates was inside his own home, ...and is confronted by police ...inside his own home.
All Gates knows at this point is that a police officer shows up in his home (the abode which is supposed to be his castle where he can shut the door and dismiss all the garbage, and discard all the baggage on the outside) and here is a cop accusing him of possibly breaking into the home. Where the fvck does it end, ...certainly not at the threshold of his door.
There will no doubt be, and understandably so, ... a tremendous amount of agitation on Gates' part.
Obama was right to insinuate a connection between this and general instances of LE profiling because there is one. It was evident in Gates reaction. I'm disappointed that an expert in racial profiling was not able to recognize that, and take it into consideration when weighing Gates' response to him. I'm also disappointed that he chose to basically let his ego & testosterone get in the way of a reasoned response to Gates. he should have apologized for the inconvenience caused him, and LEFT! instead, he said "Fvck it, I'm taking you in". it was stupid and unavoidable. Yes, he had authority to do that, ...but it was stupid and insensitive. Just as stupid as if Gates was in his house drinking a can of beer, ...and the police officer called him outside, only to arrest him for being in public with an open container. The whole thing was sparked by the police attending the residence in the first place. upon discovering they were inconveniencing an innocent man, apologize for the inconvenience and walk away.
I know policing is hard work. I know Gates should have been appreciative that neighbours were looking out for him. i know he should have thanked the officer for coming out, but that only happens in a perfect world. policing can often be a thankless job. If you want to be treated like a hero every where you go... he should have been a Marvel character. They are the only ones given a heros welcome every where they go.
I heard the original 911 call, ...and the media has distorted this thing beyond reason. Crowley DID NOT get a call that 2 black men had broken into a residence. The caller said there were two men who were shouldering a door to get inside a house, ...the caller also identified one of the men as hispanic., ...and even went so far as to suggest that there is a possibility that they may indeed live there.
I don't think Crowley deserves an apology from Obama. It's unfortunate that there is a firestorm breweing, but I don't think he deserves an apology. I think Obama was bang on. I think the police are very hurt and feel insulted because they believe that Obama's comments on the matter somehow validate Gates' accusations of racism, ...but I do not believe they do. I think Obama's comments were outspoken and blunt, ...but sometimes you have to be blunt. The decision to arrest Gates imo was just plain stupid given the context of how the situation unfolded. Once it was ascertained he was in his own home, LEAVE! Obama has nothing to apologize for... the media on the otherhand... they owe the entire public an apology due to the factual errors they keep reporting, and the way they are blowing this up.
However, as I said before, ...this is a looking like another slam dunk for Obama, because coming out on the other side of this... people will finally, hopefully, start to have a real dialogue that addresses the perception gap and shorten the divide so prevalent in your country.
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No it doesn't have to culminate in an arrest, however you have to be honest and say that Gates didn't have to say the things he did.
Of course he didn't have to say the things he did, ...but being a dick isn't an arrestable offense.
He didn't have to make an issue of the situation. Just like the cop didn't.
Why not? He's in his own home minding his own business and he's investigated for entering his own home?
Of course he's annoyed, pissed off, and agitated. When ascertained he's the lawful occupant... GET OUT!
What did Crowley expect... for Gates to offer him tea & biscuits?! Apologize for the inconvenience, and LEAVE, muttering under your breath what an ungrateful SOB he was, ...don't pull an innocent man out of his own home and arrest him. That was just plain stupid.
It took both of them to have the situation escalate to that point.
No doubt it took both of them for the situation to escalate, ...however, one of them is supposed to be trained in diffusing tensions, not exascerbating them. they had a dick swinging contest and the cop made a stupid decision to arrest Gates.
This Canadian stands by your President, ...even if you will not. :)
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Jag, my understanding is that when Harvard Police arrived, Sgt. Crowley was going to leave and then Gates began his tirade. Obviously if he could articulate it in his report then he was in the right or the department and his fellow officers wouldn't have supported him.
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Jag, my understanding is that when Harvard Police arrived, Sgt. Crowley was going to leave and then Gates began his tirade. Obviously if he could articulate it in his report then he was in the right or the department and his fellow officers wouldn't have supported him.
Then he should have just kept on going.... choosing to arrest him was stupid.
It simply added injury to the insult.
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Then he should have just kept on going.... choosing to arrest him was stupid.
It simply added injury to the insult.
Contrary to popular belief you can't insult a police officer with impunity. There are actual limits to it. I would encourage all to do a little research on the subject.
The idea that Sgt. Crowley is racist is most likely wrong based on what has been reported and if you hear the transcript of the 911 call, the Sgt. responded to a "person" possibly breaking in who "might" be Latino. He didn't know until he got there. Asking for a suspect description is normal.
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Now back to the original topic, what did Obama do when asked the question? He chose a side, by calling the police stupid, intentional or not, he implied that the cop was wrong. And another question begs to be answered, why is the POTUS getting involved in this? Lets have a beer at the white house, OK another fucking stupid move to turn this into more of a circus. Someone please explain what is so important about Gates that he garners all this attention from POTUS on down to the press? WTF is wrong with this country, there are alot more important things going on, but lets dwell on some guy who thinks he got the shit end of the stick.
If Gates was to go off on your average citizen like he did the cop, he would have gotten 7 shades of shit knocked out of him. I would say he is lucky he simply got arrested.
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Contrary to popular belief you can't insult a police officer with impunity. There are actual limits to it. I would encourage all to do a little research on the subject.
The idea that Sgt. Crowley is racist is most likely wrong based on what has been reported and if you hear the transcript of the 911 call, the Sgt. responded to a "person" possibly breaking in who "might" be Latino. He didn't know until he got there. Asking for a suspect description is normal.
Nobody said asking for a suspect description was not normal. I'm saying that once the Crowley ascertained that Gates was the lawful occupant, he should have simply left PERIOD! He had the authority to make an arrest, and he exercised it to make a stupid arrest, making this incident much more than it needed to be. that is why it was stupid. as for the 911 transcripts... even better... here's the actual 911 call to the Cambridge Police Dept.
Gates was pissed off and agitated, ...as was his right to be. Those officers disturbed his peace... in his own home.
He didn't like the way he was spoken to, so he decided he was going to assert his authority over an innocent man after pissing him off to begin with. That's why it was a stupid arrest, and I stand by the President's assessment.
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Now back to the original topic, what did Obama do when asked the question? He chose a side, by calling the police stupid, intentional or not, he implied that the cop was wrong.
The cop was wrong.
And another question begs to be answered, why is the POTUS getting involved in this?
Because he was asked to comment on it, ...and he did. Would you rather have a President who runs and hides?
Lets have a beer at the white house, OK another fucking stupid move to turn this into more of a circus. Someone please explain what is so important about Gates that he garners all this attention from POTUS on down to the press? WTF is wrong with this country, there are alot more important things going on, but lets dwell on some guy who thinks he got the shit end of the stick.
A golden opportunity to turn lemons into lemonade, and perhaps finally address some long overdue issues that need to be addressed in your society. This is more than Gates or Crowley. There is an issue that America has long ducked & skirted around to the detriment of all involved. Only when you work through the issues of race in America will you be able to move forward, ...until then, ...you'll still be stuck in the same old holding patterns.
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The cop was wrong.
And you have some inside information that no one else is aware of? See you are the reason why libs piss me off, you don't know all the facts, but the cop is automatically wrong.
Because he was asked to comment on it, ...and he did. Would you rather have a President who runs and hides?
It's called using common sense, when he got the point where he said I don't know all the facts, that should have been the end of his answer. Besides the POTUS never gives a strait answer on anything, he is asked a question and either redirects into something else or rambles on for 5 minutes and says nothing and by the time he's done you forgot what the fucking question was in the first place.
A golden opportunity to turn lemons into lemonade, and perhaps finally address some long overdue issues that need to be addressed in your society. This is more than Gates or Crowley. There is an issue that America has long ducked & skirted around to the detriment of all involved. Only when you work through the issues of race in America will you be able to move forward, ...until then, ...you'll still be stuck in the same old holding patterns.
Your Canadian, have ever even been to the US? You have no problem pointing the finger across the border, but Canada has it's own race issues mostly against the native peoples. Yeah everything has been ducked and skirted, the reason black people are in the state they are in is because they took the hand outs, got lazy and depend on the government for their very existance. You see their is no reason for the man to stick around and take responsiblity for the family anymore, the government has filled that role, and thus destroyed the black family structure. It's you do-gooder libs that have fucked the black man not the "racism" of America, racism is just an excuse to accept failure.
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Of course he didn't have to say the things he did, ...but being a dick isn't an arrestable offense.
Why not? He's in his own home minding his own business and he's investigated for entering his own home?
Of course he's annoyed, pissed off, and agitated. When ascertained he's the lawful occupant... GET OUT!
What did Crowley expect... for Gates to offer him tea & biscuits?! Apologize for the inconvenience, and LEAVE, muttering under your breath what an ungrateful SOB he was, ...don't pull an innocent man out of his own home and arrest him. That was just plain stupid.
No doubt it took both of them for the situation to escalate, ...however, one of them is supposed to be trained in diffusing tensions, not exascerbating them. they had a dick swinging contest and the cop made a stupid decision to arrest Gates.
This Canadian stands by your President, ...even if you will not. :)
I don't recall anyone pulling Gates out of his house... The facts as they've presented show just the opposite. He went outside of his own free will.
Yes, he's investigated because a call was placed... Had he, as any reasonable person done, said, "Oh, Hello Officer, I'm the owner of this house, and here's my ID to prove it. Thanks for coming by and checking."
Then he wouldn't have had this issue in the first place... I guess the cop could have just ignored the call and let whomever it was, just have free run, and then had it not been Gates, had his house completely ransacked... That would have avoided it as well.
If I'm the Cambridge police department, the next time I get a call about his address... I'm a little busy and take a little longer to get there.
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That's why it was a stupid arrest, and I stand by the President's assessment.
But even the president later conceded it was a mistake to say what he did.
Whether or not he believes it is debatable, but he publicly admitted to an error – his error.
When one makes a mistake (as O admittingly did) is apologizing not the civilized thing to do?
Do you also stand by the president's own personal admission of his mistake?
This is why everyone is so hot:
O admitted to not having the facts, but he “knew” the cop was wrong “stupid.”
Perhaps this is “reverse” discrimination…
Did O know Crowley was white?
Is that why O immediately assumed Crowley was wrong – because it was a white officer arresting a black man?
Surely, there can be no other explanation?
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Then he should have just kept on going.... choosing to arrest him was stupid.
It simply added injury to the insult.
YEP
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The cop was wrong.
Because he was asked to comment on it, ...and he did. Would you rather have a President who runs and hides?
A golden opportunity to turn lemons into lemonade, and perhaps finally address some long overdue issues that need to be addressed in your society. This is more than Gates or Crowley. There is an issue that America has long ducked & skirted around to the detriment of all involved. Only when you work through the issues of race in America will you be able to move forward, ...until then, ...you'll still be stuck in the same old holding patterns.
Ur an idiot jag. Obama should never in a million years commented on this, especially without any facts at his disposal. He ran and hid on Iran when it was plain what was going on but some black professor gets arrested and Barry assumes he knows what really happened and spouts bullshit. The fact Gates has a history of this crap should not go unnoted either.
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Ur an idiot jag. Obama should never in a million years commented on this, especially without any facts at his disposal. He ran and hid on Iran when it was plain what was going on but some black professor gets arrested and Barry assumes he knows what really happened and spouts bullshit. The fact Gates has a history of this crap should not go unnoted either.
He's the president..he can comment on whatever takes place in the 50 states..if you take a shit he can comment on it if he wants to
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the cop was not wrong it was well within his right to arrest gates, was it the smartest move no it was not.
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No...no he can't. He didn't have the facts. Thats not how it works. When ur in a position where what u say can be distorted, misconstrued or attacked, u watch what u say. Barry understands this but his true feelings, defending a friend etc, came out. Wars start for things like this, everything Biden has done and Hil has had to cleaned up are a great example. Barry didn't say a friggen thing about people dying in Iran, but shot his mouth off for what he thought wouldn;t matter to anybody. Unfortunately, for Barry, the cops were doing the right thing. After making mistake one, he should have immediatly come out with an apology, after all he apologizes for America all the time. Instead he let it go on and fester until we have this beer/photo op thing.
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the cop was not wrong it was well within his right to arrest gates, was it the smartest move no it was not.
A cop is always "well within hs rights" to arrest anyone, anytime....but it was a stupid move
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Why, the guy was spouting off, and the cops had no idea what else he might do. They didn't beat him and he was released. Gates let this get waaaaay out of control and it proceeded to its logical conclusion.
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He's the president..he can comment on whatever takes place in the 50 states..if you take a shit he can comment on it if he wants to
Yes he can comment, but the question is whether he should. I still have a problem with the cop arresting the guy and I think it was "stupid" to do so, but after listening to some of the talking heads I now think Obama should have had "no comment." His comments could have affected the attempt by the state of Massachusetts to prosecute Gates, any civil suits filed by Gates or Crowley, etc.
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He's the president..he can comment on whatever takes place in the 50 states...
We all can.
That's freedom of speech included in the US Constitution.
I think we still go by that here...
But you’re right; he can say whatever he wants.
That doesn't make the statements right, intelligent, or justified.
Both O & the police have admitted to making mistakes in this.
Why would anyone believe that Crowley is the only one who owes an apology?
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When we are young, we are taught that the police are there to protect us.
As we get older, we see some of the biases against us in the police force.
We learn how to deal with this, how to behave when the boys in blue are on the job.
Having a career with a gun and the law behind you to use it, the arrogance is amazing.
With that being said, Crowley and Gates had too much testerone going on.
Have you ever dealt with anyone who went to Harvard? I have and the arrogance is amazing!
Commenting on something you admittedly know nothing about...stupid.
Sandra
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Having a career with a gun and the law behind you to use it, the arrogance is amazing.
Dealing with some of the people you deal with, the self control is even more amazing.
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And you have some inside information that no one else is aware of? See you are the reason why libs piss me off, you don't know all the facts, but the cop is automatically wrong.
It's called using common sense, when he got the point where he said I don't know all the facts, that should have been the end of his answer.
Based on the facts he did have... it was a stupid arrest. As more & more information comes out, and as more of the FACTS see the light of day, ...they simply reinforce the President's words. It WAS a stupid arrest.
Besides the POTUS never gives a strait answer on anything, he is asked a question and either redirects into something else or rambles on for 5 minutes and says nothing and by the time he's done you forgot what the fucking question was in the first place.
{giggle} since when have you known a politician NOT to do that? Bush tried, ...but he wasn't very good at it.
...neither was Palin. With Palin, ...you didn't forget the question, ...you just went wtf? Is she for real? :o
Your Canadian, have ever even been to the US? You have no problem pointing the finger across the border, but Canada has it's own race issues mostly against the native peoples. Yeah everything has been ducked and skirted, the reason black people are in the state they are in is because they took the hand outs, got lazy and depend on the government for their very existance. You see their is no reason for the man to stick around and take responsiblity for the family anymore, the government has filled that role, and thus destroyed the black family structure. It's you do-gooder libs that have fucked the black man not the "racism" of America, racism is just an excuse to accept failure.
As a matter of fact, I used to live in the US, and I'm a frequent visitor there.
As for your comments vis-a-vis welfare, ...are you aware the largest demographic on welfare are white women?
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I don't recall anyone pulling Gates out of his house... The facts as they've presented show just the opposite. He went outside of his own free will.
Perhaps 'pulling' was an inapproriate word.
Yes, he's investigated because a call was placed... Had he, as any reasonable person done, said, "Oh, Hello Officer, I'm the owner of this house, and here's my ID to prove it. Thanks for coming by and checking."
My understanding is that is EXACTLY what occurred. Crowley had Gates' id, was aware he was the lawful occupant, yet he proceeded to press him further, AND to call for even more police officers onto the scene. Crowley knew very early on who he was, but he continued to escalate the situation by calling for more verification, as well as additional law enforcement.
Officer Lashely who was present also stated that it wasn't until additional officers were sent INTO Gates' home, did Gates' become agitated. Prior to that indignity, Gates was as calm as a cucumber. Further, it was only after Gates informed Crowley that he was going to file charges on Crowley, did the problems really start to occur.
I think a lesson to be learned here is if you intend to file charges on a cop, ...don't let them know in advance.
Then he wouldn't have had this issue in the first place... I guess the cop could have just ignored the call and let whomever it was, just have free run, and then had it not been Gates, had his house completely ransacked... That would have avoided it as well.
Gates provided id... Crowley entered his home with neither a warrant, nor an invitation to do so.
Investigating a "possible break in", ...especially one wherein the caller states "I don't know if it even is a break in, the guy might live there"... would dictate a certain degree of discretion when approaching a person of interest. Making a warrantless entry without probable cause, refusing to provide your name & bage #, and threatening to arrest him in his own home, violates Gates' 4th Amendment rights, as well as his dignity as a man. To actually effect the arrest is just going to compound the situation further.
If I'm the Cambridge police department, the next time I get a call about his address... I'm a little busy and take a little longer to get there.
That would be compounding a stupid mistake, ...with an even stupider mistake!
BTW - Did you see Crash (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/)? If not, ...go rent it. It was a fabulous movie by Paul Haggis, a great Canadian director.
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But even the president later conceded it was a mistake to say what he did.
Whether or not he believes it is debatable, but he publicly admitted to an error – his error.
When one makes a mistake (as O admittingly did) is apologizing not the civilized thing to do?
Do you also stand by the president's own personal admission of his mistake?
I believe what he said was that to the extent that his comments fueled the controversy further, was unfortunate. It was unfortunate that his comments resulted in such a hoopla. I don't believe it was a mistake on his part, and I believe America has a golden opportunity to take the hoopla, and turn it into something positive and long overdue. America can take an honest appraisal of the issue of race in America, ...or America can do what she has historically done, ...which is to sweep the nasty unpleasant, unsavoury details under the rug.
This is why everyone is so hot:
O admitted to not having the facts, but he “knew” the cop was wrong “stupid.”
Perhaps this is “reverse” discrimination…
Did O know Crowley was white?
Is that why O immediately assumed Crowley was wrong – because it was a white officer arresting a black man?
Surely, there can be no other explanation?
A routine call to investigate what turned out to be a non-crime should NOT have culminated in an arrest.
That's just plain stupid! Subsequently filing a police report claiming information from a witness, that the witness did not provide, is just plain stupid.
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the cop was not wrong it was well within his right to arrest gates, was it the smartest move no it was not.
There you have it in a nutshell ...and in your own words. Not the smartest move = stupid. ;D
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Dealing with some of the people you deal with, the self control is even more amazing.
Would you consider these as fine examples of "self-control"?
Tasered for taking too long to get his license:
Tasered to death while handcuffed with his arms behind him:
16 year old kid with a broken back tasered 19 times:
Police Overreact with Taser Gun:
Police tase a woman 8 months pregnant:
And then there was the other pregnant woman rushing to the hospital because she was spotting.
The cops called her a liar, accused her of having a menstrual period instead, tasered her, and arrested her,
...and guess what, ...as a result, she miscarried!
If that's your idea of self-control, ...I'd hate to see ballistic & out of control. :-\
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When officers used the baton, everyone said it was so horrible. Now that officers are afraid to use their batons to subdue suspects they use the approved taser but that's not good enough for everyone, and of course is has everything to do with race.
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When officers used the baton, everyone said it was so horrible. Now that officers are afraid to use their batons to subdue suspects they use the approved taser but that's not good enough for everyone, and of course is has everything to do with race.
The taser is supposed to be a last resort, ...not the go to choice.
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The taser is supposed to be a last resort, ...not the go to choice.
Wrong actually.
Most officers are afraid to use distraction strikes because suspects will allege that they were beaten. This normally happens when wrestling with a suspect, which most don't want because they will get hurt or sued. Nobody uses their baton anymore really. If you threaten the officer or refuse to obey, the officer can use OC spray or the taser.
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The taser is supposed to be a last resort, ...not the go to choice.
no the gun is ALWAYS the last resort, the taser is a viable option when the perp needs to be subdued...honestly jag where do you get some of this shit?
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yea, Cap, when this tazer shit started, they did said the only time these would be used would be as an alternative to shooting someone. As it's going now, I could upload a vid a week of someone being tazed that wouldn't have been shot. That's vids captured by someone, how often is the crap really happening now? Nazi shit if you ask me...
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no the gun is ALWAYS the last resort, the taser is a viable option when the perp needs to be subdued...honestly jag where do you get some of this shit?
They specifically pushed the idea that the tazer would only be used in cases that they would have otherwise shot someone. That was their PR on the shit, not ours.
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I believe we are the sum of our experiences. if we are consistently confronted with racism, ...we will immediately weigh things in light of racism... real or perceived. If I'm poked with a stick every day of my life, ...if you confront me with a stick, ...I may have more of a gut level reaction that someone who has never seen a stick.
1) Gates was inside his own home, ...and is confronted by police ...inside his own home.
All Gates knows at this point is that a police officer shows up in his home (the abode which is supposed to be his castle where he can shut the door and dismiss all the garbage, and discard all the baggage on the outside) and here is a cop accusing him of possibly breaking into the home. Where the fvck does it end, ...certainly not at the threshold of his door.
There will no doubt be, and understandably so, ... a tremendous amount of agitation on Gates' part.
Obama was right to insinuate a connection between this and general instances of LE profiling because there is one. It was evident in Gates reaction. I'm disappointed that an expert in racial profiling was not able to recognize that, and take it into consideration when weighing Gates' response to him. I'm also disappointed that he chose to basically let his ego & testosterone get in the way of a reasoned response to Gates. he should have apologized for the inconvenience caused him, and LEFT! instead, he said "Fvck it, I'm taking you in". it was stupid and unavoidable. Yes, he had authority to do that, ...but it was stupid and insensitive. Just as stupid as if Gates was in his house drinking a can of beer, ...and the police officer called him outside, only to arrest him for being in public with an open container. The whole thing was sparked by the police attending the residence in the first place. upon discovering they were inconveniencing an innocent man, apologize for the inconvenience and walk away.
I know policing is hard work. I know Gates should have been appreciative that neighbours were looking out for him. i know he should have thanked the officer for coming out, but that only happens in a perfect world. policing can often be a thankless job. If you want to be treated like a hero every where you go... he should have been a Marvel character. They are the only ones given a heros welcome every where they go.
I heard the original 911 call, ...and the media has distorted this thing beyond reason. Crowley DID NOT get a call that 2 black men had broken into a residence. The caller said there were two men who were shouldering a door to get inside a house, ...the caller also identified one of the men as hispanic., ...and even went so far as to suggest that there is a possibility that they may indeed live there.
I don't think Crowley deserves an apology from Obama. It's unfortunate that there is a firestorm breweing, but I don't think he deserves an apology. I think Obama was bang on. I think the police are very hurt and feel insulted because they believe that Obama's comments on the matter somehow validate Gates' accusations of racism, ...but I do not believe they do. I think Obama's comments were outspoken and blunt, ...but sometimes you have to be blunt. The decision to arrest Gates imo was just plain stupid given the context of how the situation unfolded. Once it was ascertained he was in his own home, LEAVE! Obama has nothing to apologize for... the media on the otherhand... they owe the entire public an apology due to the factual errors they keep reporting, and the way they are blowing this up.
However, as I said before, ...this is a looking like another slam dunk for Obama, because coming out on the other side of this... people will finally, hopefully, start to have a real dialogue that addresses the perception gap and shorten the divide so prevalent in your country.
Gates is a racist.Every clip of him proves he is a racist.He is one of these sawed off little runts who thinks hes a tough guy.On top of that he is an elitiste who was upset that a police officer didnt know who he was.The guy is a little fool with a huge chip on his shoulder,he picked the wrong cop to try to make a racial incident out of as EVERY single person says hes a good man.
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They specifically pushed the idea that the tazer would only be used in cases that they would have otherwise shot someone. That was their PR on the shit, not ours.
ok so when did police stop carrying guns and only carry tazers? hmmm they never did, did they? if that were true why would they still need to carry guns?
again the tazers are viable options when a perp needs to be subdued
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yea, Cap, when this tazer shit started, they did said the only time these would be used would be as an alternative to shooting someone. As it's going now, I could upload a vid a week of someone being tazed that wouldn't have been shot. That's vids captured by someone, how often is the crap really happening now? Nazi shit if you ask me...
I'm telling you, most departments just tell people to use the taser. Why? It does the job. You don't have to fight, you don't break bones (and face lawsuits) as with the baton, people can still fight with OC spray, and you don't kill someone by shooting them (unless you needed to). The taser is really a one stop shop. If most officers get to the point where they might get into a fight or are going to get into a fight, they use the taser. The most feared criminals are scared of the taser.
Let me be clear though, the taser is not the last resort. That is just foolish.
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Based on the facts he did have... it was a stupid arrest. As more & more information comes out, and as more of the FACTS see the light of day, ...they simply reinforce the President's words. It WAS a stupid arrest.
Oh really the facts support Obama? Yeah I know the cops are always wrong in your world, but there is a thing called common courtesy. There is no indication that the cop did anything other than his job with the information he had. Gates had no reason to flip out and not only start a racial tirade, but follow the cop out of the house and continue said tirade. Maybe where you come from you speak to another person anyway you feel like, but it ain't like that in my world. In the immortal words of James Brown " don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.
{giggle} since when have you known a politician NOT to do that? Bush tried, ...but he wasn't very good at it.
...neither was Palin. With Palin, ...you didn't forget the question, ...you just went wtf? Is she for real? :o
So that makes it OK, since all politicians do it ::), and at what point did this become about Bush or Palin, quite trying to quantify everything with well they did it, its a straw man argument.
As a matter of fact, I used to live in the US, and I'm a frequent visitor there.
As for your comments vis-a-vis welfare, ...are you aware the largest demographic on welfare are white women?
And that makes a difference why? Trying to quantify things again? There was also a time when you could legally beat your wife, where do think the saying rule of thumb came from? There was also a time when women couldn't vote, shall I go on?
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no the gun is ALWAYS the last resort, the taser is a viable option when the perp needs to be subdued...honestly jag where do you get some of this shit?
I meant last resort before applying lethal force. I thought that was obviously implied. I guess not
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Oh really the facts support Obama? Yeah I know the cops are always wrong in your world, but there is a thing called common courtesy. There is no indication that the cop did anything other than his job with the information he had. Gates had no reason to flip out and not only start a racial tirade, but follow the cop out of the house and continue said tirade. Maybe where you come from you speak to another person anyway you feel like, but it ain't like that in my world.
No, the cops are not always wrong in my world, ...I just think he was in this instance.
In the immortal words of James Brown " don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.
Tell that to Oscar Grant, Robbie Tolan, and Professor Gates.
So that makes it OK, since all politicians do it ::), and at what point did this become about Bush or Palin, quite trying to quantify everything with well they did it, its a straw man argument.
It was a sarcastic joke about politicians.
And that makes a difference why? Trying to quantify things again? There was also a time when you could legally beat your wife, where do think the saying rule of thumb came from? There was also a time when women couldn't vote, shall I go on?
You brought it up. I simply corrected your false information. I didn't bring up welfare... you did.
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Jag: the commission of violent crimes against whites by blacks is FAR higher than by whites against blacks.
Do you want me to start digging up all the horrific cases of innocent people being killed at the hands of violent people?
For every case you bring up, the stats show that I will be able to bring up 1.5 to 2 times as many.
Is that where you wanna go with this?
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ok so when did police stop carrying guns and only carry tazers? hmmm they never did, did they? if that were true why would they still need to carry guns?
again the tazers are viable options when a perp needs to be subdued
How the hell is this a serious response to the facts I posted? It's not. At all... not even remotely close... try again but don't bullshit me.
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No, the cops are not always wrong in my world, ...I just think he was in this instance.
Tell that to Oscar Grant, Robbie Tolan, and Professor Gates.
It was a sarcastic joke about politicians.
You brought it up. I simply corrected your false information. I didn't bring up welfare... you did.
And in my opinion the cop acted within the law.
Can you stay on target? Why do you always feel it necessary to bring some unrelated person into the discussion? Oscar Grant, Robbie Tolan, did Crowly shot them? No? then what the fuck does that have to do Gates?
What false information did I present? Did I say every black person is on welfare? Did I give some percentage? Where is the false information?
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Both the Cop and Gates seem like A-holes.
Does anyone disagree?
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Both the Cop and Gates seem like A-holes.
Does anyone disagree?
The cops' collegues disagree.
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How the hell is this a serious response to the facts I posted? It's not. At all... not even remotely close... try again but don't bullshit me.
hahahahah hugo hows the new kid brosky?
ok so they advertised the tazers as a way of not using their guns which it certainly is they didnt lie, you just misinterpreted...they didnt say it would totally replace the guns they said it would take the place of guns in some situations. It would be totally ignorant to think that tazers where there to replace guns...
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Based on what I have seen, the tazers are a replacement for fighting and batons. Sure there are the rare cases when you have people who are high and combative but most often you have non-compliant suspects and the tazer makes them comply. ;D
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Based on what I have seen, the tazers are a replacement for fighting and batons. Sure there are the rare cases when you have people who are high and combative but most often you have non-compliant suspects and the tazer makes them comply. ;D
so what you're saying is they were full of fucking shit when they assured the public these would only be used as a replacement for deadly force. Thanks for the confirmation of the obvious.
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so what you're saying is they were full of fucking shit when they assured the public these would only be used as a replacement for deadly force. Thanks for the confirmation of the obvious.
I think it was the easiest way for departments to avoid lawsuits for suspects being hit with night sticks or having officers get injured subduing suspects. It's also an easy way to take down combative people. No matter how big or strong you are, you are going down.
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The cops' collegues disagree.
no surprise there.
seriously tho, they're both pricks in this situation. either could have diffused everything with a cool head.
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I think it was the easiest way for departments to avoid lawsuits for suspects being hit with night sticks or having officers get injured subduing suspects. It's also an easy way to take down combative people. No matter how big or strong you are, you are going down.
how is this a reply to what the points/facts I stated?
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hahahahah hugo hows the new kid brosky?
ok so they advertised the tazers as a way of not using their guns which it certainly is they didnt lie, you just misinterpreted...they didnt say it would totally replace the guns they said it would take the place of guns in some situations. It would be totally ignorant to think that tazers where there to replace guns...
theres your response hugo :D
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how is this a reply to what the points/facts I stated?
Are you mad I didn't agree with you? You didn't state fact, just an angry opinion. If you stop people before things escalate, you rarely have to use deadly force. Hope that helps.
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theres your response hugo :D
that's not what I said. That's not what they said. That's not what they're doing. I'm sure you've seen all the videos of people being tazed when they would not have been shot. There are videos of people getting tazed for hardly anything. Not like they would have just pulled out a gun and shot them in the face. I didn't say it was a replacement, I said they justified tazers saying they would only be used in instances that they would have otherwise used a gun, thus saving lives. That as stated turns out to be a complete lie. That's a fact tony.
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Are you mad I didn't agree with you? You didn't state fact, just an angry opinion. If you stop people before things escalate, you rarely have to use deadly force. Hope that helps.
A. I'm not mad. B. yes it's a fact that they justified the intoduction of tazer by telling the public they would be used as an alternative to lethal force. Hope that helps you, just pointing out their lies and they did obviously lie, unless you have not seen the jillion wth tazer vids...
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that's not what I said. That's not what they said. That's not what they're doing. I'm sure you've seen all the videos of people being tazed when they would not have been shot. There are videos of people getting tazed for hardly anything. Not like they would have just pulled out a gun and shot them in the face. I didn't say it was a replacement, I said they justified tazers saying they would only be used in instances that they would have otherwise used a gun, thus saving lives. That as stated turns out to be a complete lie. That's a fact tony.
well i first of all never saw or heard them use that phrase when advocating the use of tazers so if you could give me an instance id be more apt to accept that. I have certainly seen instances where it wasnt a life or death situation but as cap has pointed out in most cases it is probably better then breaking out a baton and possibly breaking limbs in the process.
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that's not what I said. That's not what they said. That's not what they're doing. I'm sure you've seen all the videos of people being tazed when they would not have been shot. There are videos of people getting tazed for hardly anything. Not like they would have just pulled out a gun and shot them in the face. I didn't say it was a replacement, I said they justified tazers saying they would only be used in instances that they would have otherwise used a gun, thus saving lives. That as stated turns out to be a complete lie. That's a fact tony.
IF they were advertised that way it was a lie. A taser is not an alternative to deadly force. Deadlier force is the answer to deadly force.
We don't carry tasers but our use of force is
1) verbal commands
2) hands on control
3) OC spray
4)ASP baton- these aren't the wood clubs, these are metal and designed to seriously hurt, break bones, split muscles, ect. This is the same level as the tasers. I would take getting tasered any day over the ASP.
5) deadly force
I would never say that a taser couldn't be misused because I'm sure they are occasionally. Even as a cop, I sometimes see video's that seems to be excessive force by using them. Just don't be so quick to judge because normally all you see is the final few seconds before the taser is used. You don't see the entire encounter that led to the incident.
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ToxicAvenger is an alcoholic, steroid abusing, drug addict who has spent the last decade in and out of rehab.
BitchFury is an all star lacrosse player at a prestegious univ who got outed on getbig a few yrs back and had several getbig members call his mommy at home... ;D
the result...the wittle bitch disappeared off of getbig...and ws the subject of the most massive owning in getbig history...
BitchFury has also been in timeout several times as a result of me shooting 1 pm to Ron...he has been warned over n over again by Ron personally but i guess heehaw hasn't learned his lesson :)
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I'm a cop with two degree's, own my own cabinet shop, and the only time I ever got my ass beat was in a boxing ring. I could care less about legalizing drugs, my job is enforcing laws and not creating them. 99% of the problems are caused by users of drugs, not caused by cops "busting" people for using them. Almost all of the interactions I have with the public are positive. If you're a criminal, the interactions aren't going to be so positive though.
As far as writing tickets, that is a very small part of law enforcement. That's just the most visable part to the public. Most is dealing with neighbors that can't get along, checking suspicious persons, taking larceny reports, investigating accidents and so on.
BTW..if you're a criminal, the cops are out to get you. If not, you're a paranoid SOB.
2 whole degrees and you still chose to earn menial wage eh...
loser
legalize drugs...and you r out of a job :-*
PS alcohol = ethanol is also a drug
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tsk, tsk, ...c'mon Toxie, you know cops do more than that.
Granted alot of cops have "issues", ...especially when it comes to relating to civilians, but that's just the nature of the beast. You try doing what they do, and see if you don't experience a few issues of your own. It's no picnic.
WHY would i try to do what they do and get paid shit for it judi?
It's not easy being a cop. Nobody is perfect, ...least of all them. They make mistakes. It happens.
Then you have the complete and total jerks who have no business wearing the uniform. You got all kinds.
You can't however be under the impression that society is better off without them, ...just the dick head cops.
takes a certain personality type to wanna wear a badge while getting shit on constantly...
and making close to what someone at a fast food place makes
ie ..serious self esteem problems...which BY DEFINITION = guy...
sorry..i DO know some cool cops...but they r the exception to the rule...WHY do you think the FBI takes over when ever there is a SERIOUS problem...
COPS = social trashmen
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2 whole degrees and you still chose to earn menial wage eh...
loser
legalize drugs...and you r out of a job :-*
PS alcohol = ethanol is also a drug
I do it because I love it. You do drugs because you love it, I do something to help society because I love it. Who's the fucking loser, dipshit?
I'm not wealthy by any means but I do ok.
Legalize drugs...and you're still a druggie. ;D
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I do it because I love it
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so says the trashman also
You do drugs because you love it, I do something to help society because I love it. Who's the fucking loser, dipshit?
typical low IQ dipshit cop mentality...jumping to conclusions...i never said i do drugs
you just proved my point that cops for the most part would be better used as dog food :-*
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IF they were advertised that way it was a lie. A taser is not an alternative to deadly force. Deadlier force is the answer to deadly force.
We don't carry tasers but our use of force is
1) verbal commands
2) hands on control
3) OC spray
4)ASP baton- these aren't the wood clubs, these are metal and designed to seriously hurt, break bones, split muscles, ect. This is the same level as the tasers. I would take getting tasered any day over the ASP.
5) deadly force
I would never say that a taser couldn't be misused because I'm sure they are occasionally. Even as a cop, I sometimes see video's that seems to be excessive force by using them. Just don't be so quick to judge because normally all you see is the final few seconds before the taser is used. You don't see the entire encounter that led to the incident.
In this case you do:
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BTW..if you're a criminal, the cops are out to get you. If not, you're a paranoid SOB.
...or an innocent man who a cop unfortunately believes to be a criminal.
Once it's established you are not a criminal, ...the "I'm gonna nail this guy" mentality needs to be switched off.
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WHY would i try to do what they do and get paid shit for it judi?
takes a certain personality type to wanna wear a badge while getting shit on constantly...
and making close to what someone at a fast food place makes
ie ..serious self esteem problems...which BY DEFINITION = ####...
I don't disagree that there is a particular personality issue that appears to be common in police officers.
Whether that be what motivates them to join the force, ...or whether it is the result of being on the force is yet to be determined. However, despite their "issues" for want of a better word, ...it doesn't negate the fact that theirs is not an easy profession, and they do indeed perform a very valueable service to society. If you're unable to see that, then perhaps you should walk a mile in their shoes, ...just so you can develop an appreciation for what it is they do, and the strength of character it takes to engage in that profession, and come away unscathed.
sorry..i DO know some cool cops...but they r the exception to the rule...WHY do you think the FBI takes over when ever there is a SERIOUS problem...
COPS = social trashmen
:o Social trashmen? Good Grief! Well Toxie, as someone who has been witnessing a month long strike by municipality of Toronto outside workers, ...I can assure you that both the Toronto City Council, as well as the residents of Toronto have developed a new found appreciation for their trashmen. {lol} 30 days without garbage pickup has been a nightmare. It's a good thing this have been a relatively cool summer. The stink has become horrendous, ...but the rats, and the raccoons are having a party... A PARTY!!!!
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Cop was in a lose-lose situation.
What if someone WAS breaking into his house and Gates come home right after that, and the burglar held him or his family hostage in some way. The burglar tells Gates to "tell the cop it's your house and everything is fine or I'll fucking shoot you." So Gates tells the cop "Everything is fine."
The cop leaves it at that and Gates is later found dead with a bullet to the head.
The next day the news is covered with "Racist cop leaves black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates's home while Gates was being held hostage by an intruder. The police were called to the scene when a neighbor reported the break in, but the cop made no attempt to investigate the situation and left Gates to die."
Everyone would be on here saying "If that was a white guy's house, you KNOW the cop would have asked the guy to come outside where he could speak to him in private, make sure the calls about a break-in were false and there wasn't an intruder holding his family hostage inside!"
"Because Gates was black, the cop didn't even care enough to check out the situation, just turned right around and left Gates there with the gunman."
"If that was a white guy, the cop would have searched the house inside and out to make sure there was no intruder and had Gates step outside of his home where he could be safe from the clutches of the gunman. Instead, the cop just left him to die!"
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Well bud thats common sense on a level the insulated idiots on here never think about.
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Cop was in a lose-lose situation.
What if someone WAS breaking into his house and Gates come home right after that, and the burglar held him or his family hostage in some way. The burglar tells Gates to "tell the cop it's your house and everything is fine or I'll fucking shoot you." So Gates tells the cop "Everything is fine."
The cop leaves it at that and Gates is later found dead with a bullet to the head.
The next day the news is covered with "Racist cop leaves black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates's home while Gates was being held hostage by an intruder. The police were called to the scene when a neighbor reported the break in, but the cop made no attempt to investigate the situation and left Gates to die."
Everyone would be on here saying "If that was a white guy's house, you KNOW the cop would have asked the guy to come outside where he could speak to him in private, make sure the calls about a break-in were false and there wasn't an intruder holding his family hostage inside!"
"Because Gates was black, the cop didn't even care enough to check out the situation, just turned right around and left Gates there with the gunman."
"If that was a white guy, the cop would have searched the house inside and out to make sure there was no intruder and had Gates step outside of his home where he could be safe from the clutches of the gunman. Instead, the cop just left him to die!"
No, I did take that into consideration, however we see from Crowley's own report, he stated he requested Gates step outside due to accoustics, not to secure the premises and determine there were no burglars present. Furthermore, what are we to make of his comment that he was told that 2 black men had broken into the residence when it appears so abundantly evident he was not. From where did he get the 2 black men he wrote of in the report he filed? This needs to be answered.
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Cop was in a lose-lose situation.
What if someone WAS breaking into his house and Gates come home right after that, and the burglar held him or his family hostage in some way. The burglar tells Gates to "tell the cop it's your house and everything is fine or I'll fucking shoot you." So Gates tells the cop "Everything is fine."
The cop leaves it at that and Gates is later found dead with a bullet to the head.
The next day the news is covered with "Racist cop leaves black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates's home while Gates was being held hostage by an intruder. The police were called to the scene when a neighbor reported the break in, but the cop made no attempt to investigate the situation and left Gates to die."
Everyone would be on here saying "If that was a white guy's house, you KNOW the cop would have asked the guy to come outside where he could speak to him in private, make sure the calls about a break-in were false and there wasn't an intruder holding his family hostage inside!"
"Because Gates was black, the cop didn't even care enough to check out the situation, just turned right around and left Gates there with the gunman."
"If that was a white guy, the cop would have searched the house inside and out to make sure there was no intruder and had Gates step outside of his home where he could be safe from the clutches of the gunman. Instead, the cop just left him to die!"
great point...
he did lie in the report tho, it looks like
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Well bud thats common sense on a level the insulated idiots on here never think about.
I'm definitely not biased against Obama in this. I voted for Obama, mostly because I could not vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin. I'm not a Billy Mimnaugh, Obama bashing, misspelling fiasco of blinded hate. But this whole situation is ridiculous.
The cop was called to the house because people called 911 and said someone is breaking into the house. If that was my house, when the cop came to the door I'd step outside with him, present my id, THANK HIM for coming so quickly to make sure his home was safe and do whatever he needed me to do to verify that I was in my own home and there was no break in or intruder in the home.
Who the hell yell's "I'll speak with your mama outside?" That's just plain asinine and goading the cop to arrest him.
What if Gates was told to yell "I'll speak with your mama outside!" by the intruder holding a gun to his head.
Again, if the cop left the scene, we'd all be here bickering about the racist cop that "left Gates to die in his own home after being CALLED TO THE SCENE because of a break in. Gates was obviously acting out of character with that statement and the cop should have known something was up!"
"Gates is a Harvard professor! He would never yell 'I'll speak with your mama' unless provoked for some reason. It was obviously a cry for help. If the cop would have just had Gates step outside, Gates would have been able to tell the cop that a gunman was inside the house. But because Gates was black, the cop just turned his back on Gates and left him to die!"
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Cop was in a lose-lose situation.
What if someone WAS breaking into his house and Gates come home right after that, and the burglar held him or his family hostage in some way. The burglar tells Gates to "tell the cop it's your house and everything is fine or I'll fucking shoot you." So Gates tells the cop "Everything is fine."
The cop leaves it at that and Gates is later found dead with a bullet to the head.
The next day the news is covered with "Racist cop leaves black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates's home while Gates was being held hostage by an intruder. The police were called to the scene when a neighbor reported the break in, but the cop made no attempt to investigate the situation and left Gates to die."
Everyone would be on here saying "If that was a white guy's house, you KNOW the cop would have asked the guy to come outside where he could speak to him in private, make sure the calls about a break-in were false and there wasn't an intruder holding his family hostage inside!"
"Because Gates was black, the cop didn't even care enough to check out the situation, just turned right around and left Gates there with the gunman."
"If that was a white guy, the cop would have searched the house inside and out to make sure there was no intruder and had Gates step outside of his home where he could be safe from the clutches of the gunman. Instead, the cop just left him to die!"
The cops were not at fault for asking for the ID or approaching the situation the way they did because of the type of call they were responding to. They were also with in their protocol to arrest Gates. The thing is, once it was established it was Gates house they should have just dropped it and walked away. Arresting him only fed into Gate's BS.
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No, I did take that into consideration, however we see from Crowley's own report, he stated he requested Gates step outside due to accoustics, not to secure the premises and determine there were no burglars present. Furthermore, what are we to make of his comment that he was told that 2 black men had broken into the residence when it appears so abundantly evident he was not. From where did he get the 2 black men he wrote of in the report he filed? This needs to be answered.
He wrote the report after dealing with an arrogant asshole Gates spouting off at the mouth, resisting arrest, making inane "yo mama" jokes, and dealing with that all the way to the station.
He was told there was two men breaking in. When he got there, there was a black man in the house. He gets dispatched for situations like that day in and day out. Do you think he memorizes every line of the 911 call? Maybe the 911 operator told him it was 2 black men. If Gates was white, the cop would probably have reported that two white men were breaking in.
After that entire, Gate's provoked situation, you think it's newsworthy that the cop didn't have the 911 call memorized word for word??
What fucking country am I living in? Why does everyone thing they're Johnny fucking Urnotthebossame?
If a cop comes to your house to HELP YOU OUT by making sure that your home wasn't being vandalized, you THANK the cop and politely HELP HIM do his job of trying to keep you safe from two alleged intruders.
If you go on a tirade, completely unprovoked (and it most certainly was unprovoked at the time of the 'yo mama' speech) when a cop is at your house to protect you from a reported break in, you're a fucking douche and deserve to get arrested and have your home put on a "do not investigate reports of robbery or damage to this home" list so the next time when someone really is breaking into your home they can make out with your entire DVD collection of "You're an important person and no one has the right to tell you to do anything" documentaries.
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I'm definitely not biased against Obama in this. I voted for Obama, mostly because I could not vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin. I'm not a Billy Mimnaugh, Obama bashing, misspelling fiasco of blinded hate.
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I just spewed cranberry juice all over the top of my desk.
But this whole situation is ridiculous.
Yep, ...I agree with the President as well. Crowley acted stupidly.
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, then perhaps you should walk a mile in their shoes, ...just so you can develop an appreciation for what it is they do, and the strength of character it takes to engage in
why would i wanna walk a mile in a idiots shoes judi :-\
if i wanted to go into law enforcement....i'd join the FBI ...actually i had an offer and didn't take it..didn't wanna end up back in paki
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He wrote the report after dealing with an arrogant asshole Gates spouting off at the mouth, resisting arrest, making inane "yo mama" jokes, and dealing with that all the way to the station.
Why do so many people feel the need to "fill in the blanks".
1) Even if Gates was an arrogant asshole spouting off at the mouth. he was within his own home and well within his 1st Amendment rights to do so.
2) Gates was not resisting arrest.
3) Gates was not transported to the station by Crowley
Despite all this, ...a professional officer would NOT get such information skewed. How does one go from race unknown to 2 Black men with backpacks? Because he encountered an uncooperative elderly man? If making an arrest for disorderly conduct has him so rattled he is unable to remember facts clearly, feeling the need to creatively fill in the blanks, ...then I would suggest he has no business being in uniform. What happens when he encounters really bad guys? Or is that what the gestapo storm trooper attitude is more effectively suited for? Perhaps he needs to be re-trained about how to conduct himself when dealing with an innocent homeowner within his own home. In any event, did his report contain a blatant lie?, or was this discrepancy the result of an over active imagination trending towards racism.
He was told there was two men breaking in. When he got there, there was a black man in the house. He gets dispatched for situations like that day in and day out. Do you think he memorizes every line of the 911 call? Maybe the 911 operator told him it was 2 black men.
No... I heard the audio dispatch... the dispatcher told him "race unknown"... possibly hispanic. I don't expect him to memorize every line of the 911 call, ...but I do expect him to speak with the 911 caller other than to say "Wait There!"
If Gates was white, the cop would probably have reported that two white men were breaking in.
That would give credence to Gates' theory that Crowley does his job in a racist way wouldn't it?
In any event, I don't believe Gates would have been arrested had he been white, ...and this whole thing could have been avoided. The moral of this story... if you're going to live in America... you better be born white! ;D
After that entire, Gate's provoked situation, you think it's newsworthy that the cop didn't have the 911 call memorized word for word??
I find it quite alarmining that such falsehoods appear in his filed police report.
What fucking country am I living in? Why does everyone thing they're Johnny fucking Urnotthebossame?
Because in America, ...you're supposed to be free, and protected by the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and police officers are there "to protect & serve". However, it is no secret, that for a great portion of time, it was made clear that no Black man had any rights that any white man was obligated to recognize, ...and police officers even less so. So here we have a police officer who has taken issue with Gates exercising his 1st amendment rights... and not only arrests him for it, ...but falsifies his report in an attempt to either justify his actions, ...or recount a very skewed recollection. Either way it is troubling!
If a cop comes to your house to HELP YOU OUT by making sure that your home wasn't being vandalized, you THANK the cop and politely HELP HIM do his job of trying to keep you safe from two alleged intruders.
If you go on a tirade, completely unprovoked (and it most certainly was unprovoked at the time of the 'yo mama' speech) when a cop is at your house to protect you from a reported break in, you're a fucking douche and deserve to get arrested and have your home put on a "do not investigate reports of robbery or damage to this home" list so the next time when someone really is breaking into your home they can make out with your entire DVD collection of "You're an important person and no one has the right to tell you to do anything" documentaries.
He was an innocent man, in his own home, minding his own business. He had a right to be pissed about an increased police presence in his home, and Crowley's refusal to give him his name & badge #. Regardless of how appreciative Gates was or wasn't, ...or how appreciative Gates should have been, ...it still doesn't negate the fact that this was a stupid arrest, ...especially when accompanied by a police report that doesn't add up. Just plain stupid. Now many may take issue with Obama commenting on it, ...but I'm glad he did, and I'm glad the incident has reached the level of attention it has, ...and I hope that people take a serious long hard and much overdue look at some of these things.
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if i wanted to go into law enforcement....i'd join the FBI ...actually i had an offer and didn't take it..didn't wanna end up back in paki
Good call. :-\
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Because in America, ...you're supposed to be free, and protected by the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and police officers are there "to protect & serve".
This is so absurd. He was there to protect and serve. He was called there because a robbery was reported and he was there to possibly risk his life protecting and serving a dickhead that would spit on his shoes while Crowely was saving his life if he had the chance.
Gates acted like a spoiled little brat that was never taught manners. That has nothing to do with race; it has to do with Gates being an asshole and not being able to accept that when you act like an asshole, people are a little quicker to act that way in response. If you can't see that, there's nothing I can do.
The only thing this has to do with race is the fact that this incident has probably turned many impressionable white kids to lean towards racism to blacks.
I just can't imagine for the life of me how people can side with Gates on this issue.
I just can't imagine for the life of me why Gates acted like a douche, AND expected there to be no repercussions.
Making this a race issue does nothing to improve race relations and probably worsened them.
I said in my first post that I voted for Obama. At heart, I'm a republican. I want the government to stay out of my business, leave me alone, don't tax the hell out of me, and let me reap the benefits if I work hard to build a successful business. Unfortunately, the religious right has turned the Republican party from what it should be into a jesus freak focused let government get as big as it wants as long as it's under the guise of catching terrorists or moral guidance.
The fiscal Conservatives are left high and dry deciding whether to vote for the "tell me what to do or do it for me so I don't have to worry about it" Liberals or the "this little light of mine, America is a CHRISTIAN country, anti-education" Conservative.
Instead of focusing on the particular problem, people are so party bound that they'll go along with genocide as long as their party wants it...or the other party is strongly opposed to it! Obama could pay off the ENTIRE deficit, run a budget surplus and pull 30 kids from a burning orphanage single handedly and Mimnaugh will be on typing phonetically to bash him as fast as his server will open the thread.
The Republicans could completely eliminate all taxes, give every single person in the country a job they enjoy, and have ever republican senate member donate their entire personal wealth to needy families and Jaguar would be on here with thesaurus in hand searching desperately for some unrealistic obtuse angle with which to bash the Republicans while she opens 7 tabs of google to search for quotes to back up her shenanigans.
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This is so absurd. He was there to protect and serve. He was called there because a robbery
Exactly, any argument outside that seems stupid so far.
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This is so absurd. He was there to protect and serve. He was called there because a robbery was reported and he was there to possibly risk his life protecting and serving a dickhead that would spit on his shoes while Crowely was saving his life if he had the chance.
He was not called there because a robbery was reported. He was called there to determine if a breakin was occuring, or if the people observed were the lawful occupants.
Gates acted like a spoiled little brat that was never taught manners. That has nothing to do with race; it has to do with Gates being an asshole and not being able to accept that when you act like an asshole, people are a little quicker to act that way in response. If you can't see that, there's nothing I can do.
I see that, ...but I disagree with it. law enforcement should remain dispassionate when dealing with the public.
If he can't get his ego out of the way in order to do his job, ...there's a problem. He needs to be behind a desk and not interacting with the public.
The only thing this has to do with race is the fact that this incident has probably turned many impressionable white kids to lean towards racism to blacks.
This doesn't make people racist, ...it simply re-inforces what if any racism existed to begin with.
A jerk is a jerk regardless of their race, ...and if you are unable to dismiss and separate a jerk's actions apart from his race, ...I'd say that makes you the racist.
I just can't imagine for the life of me how people can side with Gates on this issue.
I just can't imagine for the life of me why Gates acted like a douche, AND expected there to be no repercussions.
Making this a race issue does nothing to improve race relations and probably worsened them.
You can't see because you don't want to see.
I said in my first post that I voted for Obama. At heart, I'm a republican. I want the government to stay out of my business, leave me alone, don't tax the hell out of me, and let me reap the benefits if I work hard to build a successful business. Unfortunately, the religious right has turned the Republican party from what it should be into a jesus freak focused let government get as big as it wants as long as it's under the guise of catching terrorists or moral guidance.
The fiscal Conservatives are left high and dry deciding whether to vote for the "tell me what to do or do it for me so I don't have to worry about it" Liberals or the "this little light of mine, America is a CHRISTIAN country, anti-education" Conservative.
Instead of focusing on the particular problem, people are so party bound that they'll go along with genocide as long as their party wants it...or the other party is strongly opposed to it! Obama could pay off the ENTIRE deficit, run a budget surplus and pull 30 kids from a burning orphanage single handedly and Mimnaugh will be on typing phonetically to bash him as fast as his server will open the thread.
The Republicans could completely eliminate all taxes, give every single person in the country a job they enjoy, and have ever republican senate member donate their entire personal wealth to needy families and Jaguar would be on here with thesaurus in hand searching desperately for some unrealistic obtuse angle with which to bash the Republicans while she opens 7 tabs of google to search for quotes to back up her shenanigans.
{giggle} you're a funny man. :D
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as have i told you fellow getbigges this was a distraction before and is,,,my friend in washington informed that the health bill health vote bill,,will vote in fall timeframe all is planning as planned by obama my friend ;) will report to getbig as time moves on bookmar page
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as have i told you fellow getbigges this was a distraction before and is,,,my friend in washington informed that the health bill health vote bill,,will vote in fall timeframe all is planning as planned by obama my friend ;) will report to getbig as time moves on bookmar page
CT'er alert.
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Yep. And your dumb ass has several posts in it as well.
No I didn't. That was my first post. It's not that I don't think it's worth commenting over, it's that I don't think it's worth a major production. And it's not. I'm talking about the entire thing. It's overblown by miles. And in comparison to other important issues, this isn't worth getting into a 3 week long fit over.
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He was not called there because a robbery was reported. He was called there to determine if a breakin was occuring, or if the people observed were the lawful occupants.
I see that, ...but I disagree with it. law enforcement should remain dispassionate when dealing with the public.
If he can't get his ego out of the way in order to do his job, ...there's a problem. He needs to be behind a desk and not interacting with the public.
This doesn't make people racist, ...it simply re-inforces what if any racism existed to begin with.
A jerk is a jerk regardless of their race, ...and if you are unable to dismiss and separate a jerk's actions apart from his race, ...I'd say that makes you the racist.
You can't see because you don't want to see.
{giggle} you're a funny man. :D
Jag, why do you continue to waste time with these arrogant jerks who JUST DONT GET IT AND NEVER WILL???...they know deep inside that they are wrong..you have elequently presented the facts to these morons but yet they continue to focus on all the surrounding nonsense instead of looking at the heart of the matter....
They keep focusing on Gates being an asshole, the police officer responding to a supposed break-in, and the officer being within his rights to arrest someone who is yelling at him, etc....
bottom line is that when it was established that Gates was in his home, they should have left...Gates got arrested because he hurt the officer's feelings....he was on his own property.....and he was NOT a threat to the officer or anyone else....he did not strike the officer either..all in all it was a monumental waste of time and ALL parties look bad....
Jag and myself have not been soft on Gates either....we have said he was out of line and boisterous.....but in his own home he has a right to be......again..the cops should have said "fuck you" and left....Gates was on his own property....the cops should have known that arresting a man on his own property when NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED was not going to go down well in the newspapers or with the public....especially when it is a man of great prominence....
you guys are ganging up on Jag and you're all dead wrong.....you guys are letting Gates' race cloud your judgement....maligning Jag isn't going to change that
This whole thread is a reflection of all the subtle racism out there
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typical low IQ dipshit cop mentality...jumping to conclusions...i never said i do drugs
you just proved my point that cops for the most part would be better used as dog food :-*
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Re: Yo debussey! Toxic Nails his first test!
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THANKYOU all after my previous druggie and alkie habits i ws honestly concerned about whether i had fucked my brain up enough to not be able to pass this
Good luck with rehab...dipshit. ;D
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Jag, why do you continue to waste time with these arrogant jerks who JUST DONT GET IT AND NEVER WILL???...they know deep inside that they are wrong..you have elequently presented the facts to these morons but yet they continue to focus on all the surrounding nonsense instead of looking at the heart of the matter....
They keep focusing on Gates being an asshole, the police officer responding to a supposed break-in, and the officer being within his rights to arrest someone who is yelling at him, etc....
bottom line is that when it was established that Gates was in his home, they should have left...Gates got arrested because he hurt the officer's feelings....he was on his own property.....and he was NOT a threat to the officer or anyone else....he did not strike the officer either..all in all it was a monumental waste of time and ALL parties look bad....
Jag and myself have not been soft on Gates either....we have said he was out of line and boisterous.....but in his own home he has a right to be......again..the cops should have said "fuck you" and left....Gates was on his own property....the cops should have known that arresting a man on his own property when NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED was not going to go down well in the newspapers or with the public....especially when it is a man of great prominence....
you guys are ganging up on Jag and you're all dead wrong.....you guys are letting Gates' race cloud your judgement....maligning Jag isn't going to change that
This whole thread is a reflection of all the subtle racism out there
Much of my discussion with Jag was centered around the officer entering Crowley's house based on probable cause. I agree Crowley shouldn't have arrested Gates once ID was established. However, Crowley was with in policy and law to do so.
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You should know that Jag is color blind, she only see black.
If Gates would have shot him and claim trespassing she would probably support him.
Wow.
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Why wow? You know I'm right.
Have you ever heard her condone ANY black man action? From drug dealers to baby molesters....if it's black she support it....it's even more extreme if the criminal is black and the victim is white.
Then she will find a defense line for the criminal that even his lawyer would be amazed!
It was a (sarcastic) Wow.
Like: Woooooooooooooooowwwwwww w. As if no surprise at all.
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You should know that Jag is color blind, she only see black.
If Gates would have shot him and claim trespassing she would probably support him.
your out of your mind..don't be an idiot
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NJ State Police "Outraged" Over Rapper Invite to White House
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 | Updated 10:48 AM EDT Getty Images
By Brian Thompson and Marcus Riley
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NJ-State-Police-Outraged-Over-Rapper-Invited-to-White-House-121596869.html
The invitation of rapper Common to the White House this week is drawing the ire of the union representing New Jersey state police.
While even casual hip-hop fans wouldn't characterize him as a controversial rapper, Common found himself under the microscope after First Lady Michelle Obama invited him to the White House for an arts event. In question: the lyrics to "A Song for Assata," about convicted cop-killer and former Black Panther Assata Shakur.
FOX News and Sarah Palin condemned the decision after the Daily Caller published some of Common's lyrics, including some that criticize former President George W. Bush.
For New Jersey police, the outrage centers on "A Song for Assata" lyrics like "Your power and pride is beautiful. May God bless your soul."
Shakur, formerly known as Joanne Chesimard, was convicted for the 1973 slaying of Trooper Werner Foerster on the New Jersey Turnpike. She escaped prison in 1979, and is living in asylum in Cuba.
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Known for being more of a brainy poet type than a thug or a gangster, Common seemed to be amused by the dust-up Tuesday, tweeting and retweeting the various news items, such as FOX News' description of him as a "vile rapper."
He also tweeted, "So apparently Sarah Palin and Fox News doesn't like me."
The White House appearance comes during the same week that lawmen from across the nation, including Jones, make their annual trek to Washington to honor their fallen comrades at the National Law Enforcement Memorial.
Sal Maggio, a retired troop commander with the state police, said his colleagues still talk about Shakur and the million dollar bounty the FBI has put on her capture.
"Hopefully someday she'll be caught," Maggio said in reaction to news of this invitation.
Common, who is also a successful actor, is known as one of the most lyrically poetic rappers. Last month he appeared in Chicago for a charity event for his foundation, honoring legendary author and poet Maya Angelou.
Neither Jones nor Maggio believe the president or first lady are fully aware of Common's song about Shakur, though the rapper did appear at campaign events for Obama when he ran for president.
"I like the president and first lady," said Maggio. "I think he's doing a pretty good job lately."
There was no comment from the White House late Tuesday afternoon. A representative for Common could not be reached.
Follow Brian Thompson on Twitter @brian4NY and us @NBCNewYork,and on Facebook/NBCNewYork, and sign up for breaking news SMS alerts on your phone by texting “NYBREAKING” to 639710.
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NJ State Police "Outraged" Over Rapper Invite to White House
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 | Updated 10:48 AM EDT Getty Images
By Brian Thompson and Marcus Riley
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NJ-State-Police-Outraged-Over-Rapper-Invited-to-White-House-121596869.html
The invitation of rapper Common to the White House this week is drawing the ire of the union representing New Jersey state police.
While even casual hip-hop fans wouldn't characterize him as a controversial rapper, Common found himself under the microscope after First Lady Michelle Obama invited him to the White House for an arts event. In question: the lyrics to "A Song for Assata," about convicted cop-killer and former Black Panther Assata Shakur.
FOX News and Sarah Palin condemned the decision after the Daily Caller published some of Common's lyrics, including some that criticize former President George W. Bush.
For New Jersey police, the outrage centers on "A Song for Assata" lyrics like "Your power and pride is beautiful. May God bless your soul."
Shakur, formerly known as Joanne Chesimard, was convicted for the 1973 slaying of Trooper Werner Foerster on the New Jersey Turnpike. She escaped prison in 1979, and is living in asylum in Cuba.
Multimedia Rapper Common: "I Always Thought I'd Be in the NBA"
WATCH
Rapper Common: "I
Always Thought I'd Be... Celebrities Who Dare To Bare It All
LOOK
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Dare To Bare It All More Multimedia "The young people who read this stuff, hear this stuff, are getting a very dangerous and deadly message," said David Jones, president of the State Troopers Fraternal Association union.
Known for being more of a brainy poet type than a thug or a gangster, Common seemed to be amused by the dust-up Tuesday, tweeting and retweeting the various news items, such as FOX News' description of him as a "vile rapper."
He also tweeted, "So apparently Sarah Palin and Fox News doesn't like me."
The White House appearance comes during the same week that lawmen from across the nation, including Jones, make their annual trek to Washington to honor their fallen comrades at the National Law Enforcement Memorial.
Sal Maggio, a retired troop commander with the state police, said his colleagues still talk about Shakur and the million dollar bounty the FBI has put on her capture.
"Hopefully someday she'll be caught," Maggio said in reaction to news of this invitation.
Common, who is also a successful actor, is known as one of the most lyrically poetic rappers. Last month he appeared in Chicago for a charity event for his foundation, honoring legendary author and poet Maya Angelou.
Neither Jones nor Maggio believe the president or first lady are fully aware of Common's song about Shakur, though the rapper did appear at campaign events for Obama when he ran for president.
"I like the president and first lady," said Maggio. "I think he's doing a pretty good job lately."
There was no comment from the White House late Tuesday afternoon. A representative for Common could not be reached.
Follow Brian Thompson on Twitter @brian4NY and us @NBCNewYork,and on Facebook/NBCNewYork, and sign up for breaking news SMS alerts on your phone by texting “NYBREAKING” to 639710.
wow... now thats how you string some shit together.. man y do you post this pathetic shit.. are you fuckin bored...
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For New Jersey police, the outrage centers on "A Song for Assata" lyrics like "Your power and pride is beautiful. May God bless your soul."
Shakur, formerly known as Joanne Chesimard, was convicted for the 1973 slaying of Trooper Werner Foerster on the New Jersey Turnpike. She escaped prison in 1979, and is living in asylum in Cuba.
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cmon cuz.. common is damn near like krs1 is his message.. you are letting fox news and the peanut gallery make you look like a whiney bitch...
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cmon cuz.. common is damn near like krs1 is his message.. you are letting fox news and the peanut gallery make you look like a whiney bitch...
KRS 1 does not like Obama that much and was honest about him from Day 1. Too bad many others in that arena dont see what he does.
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KRS 1 does not like Obama that much and was honest about him from Day 1. Too bad many others in that arena dont see what he does.
lmao how did this get to obama.. i was talking about fox news....people like karl rove calling him "thug"..do you.. wait wait.. this is just shit to get ratings.. they dont even believe this shit.. disregard...
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lmao how did this get to obama.. i was talking about fox news....people like karl rove calling him "thug"..do you.. wait wait.. this is just shit to get ratings.. they dont even believe this shit.. disregard...
I hate Karl Rove and Fox news. I probably watch more of the spanish channel for the hot booty chics than I do fox News.
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I hate Karl Rove and Fox news. I probably watch more of the spanish channel for the hot booty chics than I do fox News.
ok.. im gonna share this top secret show with you.. i record it every day.. its called Estudio Dos.. best show ever.. find it.. watch it.. thank me later
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ok.. im gonna share this top secret show with you.. i record it every day.. its called Estudio Dos.. best show ever.. find it.. watch it.. thank me later
Honestly - I consider Fox News an embarassment to TV and have state my reasons why many times. Maybe Brett Baire is ok, but the rest are unwatchable.
As for the spanish channel, they have the hottest women on the planet bar none. I have a greek buddy of mine whose dad is like 70 year old and it was beginning to cause a problem with his dad's marriage since he was watching so much of the spanish channel for those women. his wife was getting upset. not kidding.
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ok.. im gonna share this top secret show with you.. i record it every day.. its called Estudio Dos.. best show ever.. find it.. watch it.. thank me later
you getting any good masturbation material from there?..If so, I'll watch it as well :D
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you getting any good masturbation material from there?..If so, I'll watch it as well :D
I thought you were married? ??? ??? ???
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I thought you were married? ??? ??? ???
what???...married men aren't allowed to masturbate these days???
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what???...married men aren't allowed to masturbate these days???
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
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you getting any good masturbation material from there?..If so, I'll watch it as well :D
dude.... you will thank me.. its called estudio dos..
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estrella tv..
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White House calls rapper Common ’socially conscious,’ opposes cop killing lyrics (B.S Alert)
The Daily Caller ^ | 05/11/11 | Vince Coglianese
The White House is standing behind its decision to welcome rapper Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Jr., AKA “Common,” to Washington, D.C. Wednesday night amidst controversy over the hip hop artist’s lyrics which include support for violence against cops and former President George W. Bush.
“The president opposes those kinds of lyrics,” said Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary.
Despite that opposition, Carney indicated that Common would still be welcome at “An Evening of Poetry at the White House” tonight.
“He’s known as a socially conscious hip hop artist or rapper, who in fact, has done, a lot of good things,” offered Carney. “You can oppose some of what he’s done and appreciate some of the other things he’s done.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/11/white-house-calls-rapper-common-socially-conscious-opposes-cop-killing-lyrics/#ixzz1M4dAUW9N
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Rapper (Common) AWOL at White House event
Daily Caller ^ | May 11, 2011 | Neil Munro
Posted on May 11, 2011 8:21:41 PM EDT by Beaten Valve
White House officials have sidelined a rapper who glibly validated threats and violence against police, and quietly dropped him from the afternoon session of today’s poetry event at the White House.
First lady Michelle Obama welcomed the invited poets to the event, but notably did not mention the controversial rapper, whose stage-name is Common. “Rita Dove, Billy Collins, Kenny Goldsmith, Alison Knowles, and Aimee Mann, let’s give them a round of applause,” Ms. Obama said. “We’ll get to hear from these folks,” she added.
The first lady’s office declined to comment on whether Common will play a role in the event’s evening session.
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