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At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose. Having lived abroad for a significant amount of time has left me feeling 'home-less', and in constant need for change. Much like my circle of friends changes every so often due to relocation or pursuit of different careers.
For the most part I have always been content with my life, thinking I had it on lock.
Working towards a degree, at whatever pace. Partying on the side, working out, and the random hook-ups here and there.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
With my body currently failing me, having been bed-ridden the last few days, coughing up blood and practically choking on mucus.
In the wake of a failing relationship I actually cared about, and who might even be pregnant of me, I feel like I'm getting closer each day to losing it.
My thoughts seem to bounce back and forth between shutting myself off to everything and lashing out at the leasts of triggers. Where randomly punching someone to a pulp appears just as appealing as a vanilla icecream on a hot summer day.
Sure, there are ups and downs. And in the end I will probably be fine.
Yet I simply do not see a point other than living towards the next meal or drink for the sake of keeping this drudged cycle going.
Hopefully either the anti-biotics start kicking in and I can finally hit the gym again to clear my mind, or it turns out to be terminal. I'm fine with either.
What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
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Lighten up, Francis.
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You're probably gay. HTH.
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If you go on youtube, type in "meaning of life+Arnold" you will find a clip that explains everything in a mere few sentences!
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You're probably gay. HTH.
Only for you bigboy :-*
no homo
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Your life does not sound so bad to me at all. You think most 25 year olds or even 35 year olds have everything on in place and feel totally comfortable with their lives?
At least you're having sex, training while getting an education and all.
Looks pretty good to me!
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Your life does not sound so bad to me at all. You think most 25 year olds or even 35 year olds have everything on in place and feel totally comfortable with their lives?
At least you're having sex, training while getting an education and all.
Looks pretty good to me!
I know, right? What an ungrateful bastard. :)
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You're 25. Your life hasn't even started yet. Shit, the human brain doesn't even reach maturity till about 25 years old.
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At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose. Having lived abroad for a significant amount of time has left me feeling 'home-less', and in constant need for change. Much like my circle of friends changes every so often due to relocation or pursuit of different careers.
For the most part I have always been content with my life, thinking I had it on lock.
Working towards a degree, at whatever pace. Partying on the side, working out, and the random hook-ups here and there.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
With my body currently failing me, having been bed-ridden the last few days, coughing up blood and practically choking on mucus.
In the wake of a failing relationship I actually cared about, and who might even be pregnant of me, I feel like I'm getting closer each day to losing it.
My thoughts seem to bounce back and forth between shutting myself off to everything and lashing out at the leasts of triggers. Where randomly punching someone to a pulp appears just as appealing as a vanilla icecream on a hot summer day.
Sure, there are ups and downs. And in the end I will probably be fine.
Yet I simply do not see a point other than living towards the next meal or drink for the sake of keeping this drudged cycle going.
Hopefully either the anti-biotics start kicking in and I can finally hit the gym again to clear my mind, or it turns out to be terminal. I'm fine with either.
What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
There is no purpose in life. No meaning. Only the meaning that we assign to it. You gotta find something new to put your energy into.
The way you are feeling right now is completely normal. Once you hit 25 to 30 you start thinking this way. It a time when a lot of people choose to get married and have a kid. When you have a kid you can see life through their eyes and it gives you a little boost and helps you enjoy things more. I'm not advocating having kids if you don't want them but it's something people do. Living life only for yourself gets old after a while.
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-improve your social life
- read more books
- cook your own healthy food
- start running or biking
- learn something creative like photoshopping or drawing
- start meditating
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-improve your social life
- read more books
- cook your own healthy food
- start running or biking
- learn something creative like photoshopping or drawing
- start meditating
Either that, or start jerking off more. Whatever works.
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Find Jesus. Serve others in love.
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Full life ahead of you... One good thing is "Don't care too much about things that you will stress over".
People who get worked up over religion, politics, etc. are wasting their damn time and energy on lies and make believe.
Do your own thing, dont give a fuck about much, or about others, try to have fun.
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Sucks being sick. Addiction is a personal behavior problem you can fix.
25 and no kids. Gets a lot worse from there, bud.
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I had a short period like that, well not like that, but similar. Currently 30. That's why I've always said - do whatever you wantr, but no alcohol or narcotics. They fuck you up in many ways, your thinking, your moods, your motivational centers, etc... that's the worst thing. I've stayed away from that shit and while I have down times here and there, overall life seems better and better with each passing day, less worries, less stress, I'm more calm than ever before, it just takes time to get over these feelings, esp. if you're an intelligent person - you WILL find out tat life is indeed - pointless. Many, as someone said, desperately marry and have kids (poor kids) so they have something to do, on the long run most of them come back to the same state after it wears off or kids turn out to be an additional stress/trouble or financial burden. Some find a meaning tho', depends on what kind of a person you are.
I can't give advices as I'm an egoistical, hedonistic, atheistic asshole, I can only tell you what makes me tick (as you've asked): each day I wake up with a goal to improve myself, each day I have my focus on my goals, each day I'm looking for something positive to happen (guess what - it does), BUT - I do not take life seriously at all, I couldn't care less if it ends tomorrow, I"m living fully, no regrets, I couldn't care if any of my areas of life fail, I"ll get over it, no biggie (death is worst that can happen afterall) and while in the process of all that for me it's like a survival game, like a Lineage, I'm trying to level up by the standarts of this reality that we live in, in other words - I try to become as strong (in every way possible) as it is possible, financially, psichologically, physically, I get a kick out of that, I get a kick watching my enemies fail, I get a kick knowing that they are aware that I'm above them, I simply enjoy this animalistic pleasure when and while I can. Im probably lucky to be born in a strong family that taught me how to be strong so yeah... most of the time I'm feeling happy. One more time - ditch alco and narco, for ever, it's not too late for you, I really can't emphasize this enough, you will thank yourself many, many times, while watching how your friends and non-friends are crumbling down around you just beause of that shit/a way to seek for relief (it;s weakness, weakness is death, death = not very happy).
If I'd give an advice (I'm not someone who stands besides life, so I can just tell my experience), I'd say - have goals, big goals, even if it's dificult to see the point at first, once you get it rolling - you'll wake up with a heart full of fire each and every morning ready to go and make it happen. Oh, and don't ever sweat relathuionships/ïssues" with females, I personally dont'have none (and find it ridiculously easy now to get poon, easier than ever), but I see lots of guys stressing over it. STOP and earn money, you will feel at ease, everyone arpound you will feel that, females too, and it's very easy to get them when you just don't give a shit, because you know that at the worst you'll be able to buy sex, it's liberating.
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Sounds like depression. I have struggled with depression and the absolute worst part is when you no longer find joy in things you love. For me the key to improving this is just to force yourself out and do these things anyway. Might not feel great right away but you will eventually thaw out and enjoy things again.
One a side note, I remember when I was a kid death really freaked me out. Was very scared to die. Now at 34 I still don't want to die as I love life very much, but it is tiring and I can imagine when I'm in my 70s or so I will be ready to go.
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Society looks okay on the surface but when you dig down you realize how the machine is setup and want to escape from it.
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Lay off the Creatine stud 5g is the daily limit
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Sucks being sick. Addiction is a personal behavior problem you can fix.
25 and no kids. Gets a lot worse from there, bud.
You must be kidding lol.
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Watch out, guys searching for the "purpose in life" for too long often find Allah and end up fighting for ISIS ::)
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For $250 an hour, Buff Bagwell can pump some life and excitement into your rectum
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Watch out, guys searching for the "purpose in life" for too long often find Allah and end up fighting for ISIS ::)
Somewhat true. I don't care anymore about any purpose or meaning, I somply ceased to give a shit, just like any other animal on this planet, none, except humasn, care about a purpose. Purpose is to survive I guess - trying to do it may be a pleasuring experience (if succesfull) or it may be a burden, it depends, but we only have one life anyway, just try to take it for what it's worth, it won't last long. Carpe diem
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Watch out, guys searching for the "purpose in life" for too long often find Allah and end up fighting for ISIS ::)
Word on the street is that being a suicide bomber is a short lived career.
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Don't take it all so serious.
And just go on...
because life is changing all the time anyway.
So...
good luck and have fun.
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Somewhat true. I don't care anymore about any purpose or meaning, I somply ceased to give a shit, just like any other animal on this planet, none, except humasn, care about a purpose. Purpose is to survive I guess - trying to do it may be a pleasuring experience (if succesfull) or it may be a burden, it depends, but we only have one life anyway, just try to take it for what it's worth, it won't last long. Carpe diem
Watched this movie the first time when I was 15. Now @ 30 I understand it.
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Word on the street is that being a suicide bomber is a short lived career.
Gotta earn them 32 virgins when you die broski!
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Watched this movie the first time when I was 15. Now @ 30 I understand it.
Lol... was one of my favs too!
It's funny how different life really is compared to what "adults" say to you when you're a kid, I'm so happy I did not listen to most of them except these who SHOWED by teir life and results that they actually managed to do stuff right. I try to not live like "most", because I find most to be boring, lifeless and miserable. If most are doing something - I know that I should probably do vice versa. Works most of the time. When everyone buys - sell, when everyone sells - buy, just don't be afraid to not go with the flow. Pretty much none of the A list people are comformists, they are doing life their own way and only their own way.
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It seems like the mid 20's is common for people to see things this way.
Let's face it, you are only beginning to see what the world really is. Not just your little family at home, not life-revolving around school (academia is far removed from what the "real world" is), your brain is developed and you tune in to so much the world is. A lot of that is pain and suffering to that we are blind to in a privileged first world environment.
It's time to start reading philosophy and learning a little about history.
The weird thing, albeit depressing at first, is that you realize this "human condition" has largely been repeating itself for thousands of years and even before Christ people had these same personal struggles.
That's really the best advice I can offer -- try to get some more perspectives. It helps you think about things in a more meaningful and useful way. Then you can start to live a more positive life.
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Thanks for the responses
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I was keenly aware of that my age 16 and vowed not to live like everyone else.
I knew being some hippy bum was no life either. You need a nice place to live and money to buy food, clothes that comes from a decent, stable career.
For me, the common variable to feeling stressed as an adult was having kids.
In my OPINION, kids are work, $$ and stress. I see most ( not all) parents getting the life sucked out of them by their ungrateful lil' brats.
Give me a good woman with phat ass , a faithful dog along with a good gym, fridge of food and wifi connection to get on getbig. That's the life baby.
I can relate certainly. Living like most means ending up like most and honestly - I would not trade places with most people I see around, would not even consider that. It's common sense - just do something different and the result will be different. I may have a kid some time in the future, more likely not tho', I just don't care at all if not, only one thing I care even less is american football (I don't understand it).
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Ah, yes.
Forgot something.
Since this universe is mathematic life will balance out itself in the end.
So...
no matter the "bad times" there will be equally "good times" ahead so to speak.
Can already be excited about the "good times".
In the end the sum of the equation is 0.
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Ah, yes.
Forgot something.
Since this universe is mathematic life will balance out itself in the end.
So...
no matter the "bad times" there will be equally "good times" ahead so to speak.
Can already be excited about the "good times".
In the end the sum of the equation is 0.
Unforunately that does not translate into real life for most of the planet.
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Unforunately that does not translate into real life for most of the planet.
Based on the assumption that life is eternal.
And that it is not "your" one and only life.
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Based on the assumption that life is eternal.
And that it is not "your" one and only life.
Well I can't speak much on that..
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The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.
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For $250 an hour, Buff Bagwell can pump some life and excitement into your rectum
Bwahahahaha!
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Today was a day off.
I woke, made breakfast, watched a zombie DVD (Outpost: Black Sun) while I ate said breakfast, jammed some tunes (Cephalic Carnage, Cattle Decapitation) while gulping down mouthfuls of mud-black joe for my training session, hit the gym and lit the place on fire with my might, hit HMV where I bought several '80s-era KISS CDs (only had 'em on vinyl), hit Fatburger, hit the grocery store, and I am now home, rocking out with my cock out to my new KISS CDs.
Such is life when there's no demanding woman and/or children to clutter the fun.
Listen, there's no point to anything, friend. There is no "god". If we have a maker, it's either, a) long gone, or b) doesn't give a rat's ass and laughs it up at our expense.
Either way, it isn't a god, and it doesn't deserve worship, that's for sure.
We're floating aimlessly on this rock in space. Quite liberating, actually.
Find a few things that spark your passion and build your existence around them.
(The tip given by a few 'biggers concerning the dangers of drugs and alcohol is spot-on. Avoid this trap at all cost.)
For me, for example, nothing can ever be so bad that a session under a barbell or a jam of one of my rockin' CDs won't make everything purely fine in my little world.
And if it's so bad that I die, well, who gives a toss, anyway. I'm dead.
It's just a game. Live it to win. By your own rules.
I mean, if all else fails, how can you NOT crack a smile listening to the cheese that is KISS?! Gene and Paul are there for you, man. Poking a tongue and dancing with crazy legs, respectively.
Rock out, roll on.
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Today was a day off.
I woke, made breakfast, watched a zombie DVD (Outpost: Black Sun) while I ate said breakfast, jammed some tunes (Cephalic Carnage, Cattle Decapitation) while gulping down mouthfuls of mud-black joe for my training session, hit the gym and lit the place on fire with my might, hit HMV where I bought several '80s-era KISS CDs (only had 'em on vinyl), hit Fatburger, hit the grocery store, and I am now home, rocking out with my cock out to my new KISS CDs.
Such is life when there's no demanding woman and/or children to clutter the fun.
Listen, there's no point to anything, friend. There is no "god". If we have a maker, it's either, a) long gone, or b) doesn't give a rat's ass and laughs it up at our expense.
Either way, it isn't a god, and it doesn't deserve worship, that's for sure.
We're floating aimlessly on this rock in space. Quite liberating, actually.
Find a few things that spark your passion and build your existence around them.
(The tip given by a few 'biggers concerning the dangers of drugs and alcohol is spot-on. Avoid this trap at all cost.)
For me, for example, nothing can ever be so bad that a session under a barbell or a jam of one of my rockin' CDs won't make everything purely fine in my little world.
And if it's so bad that I die, well, who gives a toss, anyway. I'm dead.
It's just a game. Live it to win. By your own rules.
I mean, if all else fails, how can you NOT crack a smile listening to the cheese that is KISS?! Gene and Paul are there for you, man. Poking a tongue and dancing with crazy legs, respectively.
Rock out, roll on.
Solid post man. You've definitely become one of my favorite posters on this site.
No homo.
Non homo for you Québécois.
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I think every one feels this way at some point; most feel better after posting ghey pics wearing a crotchless bunny suit...
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Today was a day off.
I woke, made breakfast, watched a zombie DVD (Outpost: Black Sun) while I ate said breakfast, jammed some tunes (Cephalic Carnage, Cattle Decapitation) while gulping down mouthfuls of mud-black joe for my training session, hit the gym and lit the place on fire with my might, hit HMV where I bought several '80s-era KISS CDs (only had 'em on vinyl), hit Fatburger, hit the grocery store, and I am now home, rocking out with my cock out to my new KISS CDs.
Such is life when there's no demanding woman and/or children to clutter the fun.
Listen, there's no point to anything, friend. There is no "god". If we have a maker, it's either, a) long gone, or b) doesn't give a rat's ass and laughs it up at our expense.
Either way, it isn't a god, and it doesn't deserve worship, that's for sure.
We're floating aimlessly on this rock in space. Quite liberating, actually.
Find a few things that spark your passion and build your existence around them.
(The tip given by a few 'biggers concerning the dangers of drugs and alcohol is spot-on. Avoid this trap at all cost.)
For me, for example, nothing can ever be so bad that a session under a barbell or a jam of one of my rockin' CDs won't make everything purely fine in my little world.
And if it's so bad that I die, well, who gives a toss, anyway. I'm dead.
It's just a game. Live it to win. By your own rules.
I mean, if all else fails, how can you NOT crack a smile listening to the cheese that is KISS?! Gene and Paul are there for you, man. Poking a tongue and dancing with crazy legs, respectively.
Rock out, roll on.
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Today was a day off.
I woke, made breakfast, watched a zombie DVD (Outpost: Black Sun) while I ate said breakfast, jammed some tunes (Cephalic Carnage, Cattle Decapitation) while gulping down mouthfuls of mud-black joe for my training session, hit the gym and lit the place on fire with my might, hit HMV where I bought several '80s-era KISS CDs (only had 'em on vinyl), hit Fatburger, hit the grocery store, and I am now home, rocking out with my cock out to my new KISS CDs.
Such is life when there's no demanding woman and/or children to clutter the fun.
Listen, there's no point to anything, friend. There is no "god". If we have a maker, it's either, a) long gone, or b) doesn't give a rat's ass and laughs it up at our expense.
Either way, it isn't a god, and it doesn't deserve worship, that's for sure.
We're floating aimlessly on this rock in space. Quite liberating, actually.
Find a few things that spark your passion and build your existence around them.
(The tip given by a few 'biggers concerning the dangers of drugs and alcohol is spot-on. Avoid this trap at all cost.)
For me, for example, nothing can ever be so bad that a session under a barbell or a jam of one of my rockin' CDs won't make everything purely fine in my little world.
And if it's so bad that I die, well, who gives a toss, anyway. I'm dead.
It's just a game. Live it to win. By your own rules.
I mean, if all else fails, how can you NOT crack a smile listening to the cheese that is KISS?! Gene and Paul are there for you, man. Poking a tongue and dancing with crazy legs, respectively.
Rock out, roll on.
Good post, nothing like stress free life.
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What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
The acquisition of knowledge. Hope this helps.
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Find a few things that spark your passion and build your existence around them.
Boom.
This generation will realize this more than most, I believe.
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^ These people are completely full of shit. Ignore everyone. Ignore this post. No one knows shit. It's noise.
And don't waste good years on bad situations. That's it. That's all I got.
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Make a shitload of money at least it will make life more fun for a while.
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At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose. Having lived abroad for a significant amount of time has left me feeling 'home-less', and in constant need for change. Much like my circle of friends changes every so often due to relocation or pursuit of different careers.
For the most part I have always been content with my life, thinking I had it on lock.
Working towards a degree, at whatever pace. Partying on the side, working out, and the random hook-ups here and there.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
With my body currently failing me, having been bed-ridden the last few days, coughing up blood and practically choking on mucus.
In the wake of a failing relationship I actually cared about, and who might even be pregnant of me, I feel like I'm getting closer each day to losing it.
My thoughts seem to bounce back and forth between shutting myself off to everything and lashing out at the leasts of triggers. Where randomly punching someone to a pulp appears just as appealing as a vanilla icecream on a hot summer day.
Sure, there are ups and downs. And in the end I will probably be fine.
Yet I simply do not see a point other than living towards the next meal or drink for the sake of keeping this drudged cycle going.
Hopefully either the anti-biotics start kicking in and I can finally hit the gym again to clear my mind, or it turns out to be terminal. I'm fine with either.
What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
smh at "25"
YOU'RE A KID........BE A KID
worry about the "i don't know what is going on with my life" stuff for when you get to my age
i never had this issue when I was your age however I didn't have that "life albatross" known as "Social media" making me feel like a "loser" like it does to this current generation of 20 year olds
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smh at "25"
YOU'RE A KID........BE A KID
worry about the "i don't know what is going on with my life" stuff for when you get to my age
i never had this issue when I was your age however I didn't have that "life albatross" known as "Social media" making me feel like a "loser" like it does to this current generation of 20 year olds
The whole "likes" and other such superficially crap have never pushed me towards anything. Quite frankly I laugh at friends of mine with their hundreds of hashtags to generate 'traffic' to their posts, yet no real interactions ever take place. Nor, on my part, has it ever been fulfilling or rewarding. Although I still can't wrap my head around how one of my traveling videos on YT has reached 60.000+ views.
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My predicament in all of this, is that regardless of knowing that I'll feel better in a while. For sure when I'm healthy and able to go out doors again.
Below the surface the feeling of nothingness and irrelevance of it all is just as persistent, only held at bay by moments of joy here and there. Which is not something new for me. This is not to say I don't enjoy doing things, or that I am afraid or depressed or any such thing. Simply that I feel like I am slowely but surely moving more and more towards a state of complacency with nothingness. If that makes sense at all.
As far as the drug and alcohol (ab)use go, I had already decided for myself that I needed to regain control. And feel you guys are on to something, however to completely exclude these from my life I cannot imagine.
Reading seems to help.
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To avoid these existential crisis try not to think.
It also helps tremendously if you are emotionally dead.
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getbig translation -
1.You hook up with a hot babe ( or more likely , a Mike O'Hearn type ;)
2.You get busy with her ( likely him :D) and blow your load.
3.You feel good and post about it on getbig
Then, the cycle ( 1-3 ) repeats for all eternity
LOL!
no!
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Make a shitload of money at least it will make life more fun for a while.
Are you serious. Making a shitload of money is tough, a complete waste of a life.
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money complicates shit even more
mo' money = mo' problems
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Those that say THAT... are MOrons .
hope that helps
because you know from experience?
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I will try and write something more "robust" and detailed but in the meantime I will offer this to the OP:
your ULTIMATE solution to what your feeling now will only be remedied by getting older
it will take me time and several words to explain this but trust me---as you get older, the things that are bothering you now will organically not matter anymore
I stress the word "organically".......I don't reside myself to the fact that I don't have a "16 pack" like I used to---I just honestly don't give a shit anymore
If you all saw what I look like now you would all be shocked....but you know what---i'm actually kinda sorta happy
I say "Kinda sorta" because i've recently discovered that there is a life outside of being "a body guy"......so now I'm learning to actually find things that organically make me happy....hence the "kinda sorta"
watch this
lets forget about the fact that bob paris is what he is (and there is nothing wrong with that)...notice how sincerely happy he is in his current life and yet he looks NOTHING like he did
he looks legit happy....and he actually exercises because he likes to and not because he has to in order to maintain a "beautiful coffin"
i see guys like Piana and Kamali and say to myself "okay- they do ALL THIS GEAR AND HGH.......THEY'RE HUGE....but are they SINCERELY happy?"
Or, are these people who have NOTHING else in there life except doing gear and being huge
Don't get me wrong---getting older DOES NOT MEAN "GIVING UP"......FUCK NO!!!
...but as you get older you get a better sense of what you really want to do with your life and shouldn't be continuing to live a lie of any sorts....
My ex boss at the gym works out everyday and he fucking hates working out and I just shake my head at why does he do it.
...He has nothing else
I'm gonna defer to pellius alot here because is like a online Sampei to a lot of us and he's been there and done that
and I'll be frank---Pellius is a stranger who i've never met before...I have no fucking reason to trust him...I'm a typical asshole new yorker and i have trouble trusting my mother......Pellius' words always ring true to stuff like this
EDIT: actually- I won't have to write anything more detailed or verbose..I pretty much split my guts there
EDIT 2: even as "fat" as I am I still get women to text me nudes when I send them just a simple underwear selfie....that's another thing- "Bodybuilding/Physique Model Fat" is NOT FAT.....this fucking cult will fuck with your head.....don't let it
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i see guys like Piana and Kamali and say to myself "okay- they do ALL THIS GEAR AND HGH.......THEY'RE HUGE....but are they SINCERELY happy?"
Or, are these people who have NOTHING else in there life except doing gear and being huge
I hate the whole concept of BEING HAPPY, as if it is some permanent state one can achieve and live happily ever after. Happiness is GAY. Men strive for more substance, a mindset perhaps that will hold them in good stead through trials and tribulations. Leave happiness to the NEWAGE F@GS.
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I will try and write something more "robust" and detailed but in the meantime I will offer this to the OP:
your ULTIMATE solution to what your feeling now will only be remedied by getting older
it will take me time and several words to explain this but trust me---as you get older, the things that are bothering you now will organically not matter anymore
I stress the word "organically".......I don't reside myself to the fact that I don't have a "16 pack" like I used to---I just honestly don't give a shit anymore
If you all saw what I look like now you would all be shocked....but you know what---i'm actually kinda sorta happy
I say "Kinda sorta" because i've recently discovered that there is a life outside of being "a body guy"......so now I'm learning to actually find things that organically make me happy....hence the "kinda sorta"
watch this
lets forget about the fact that bob paris is what he is (and there is nothing wrong with that)...notice how sincerely happy he is in his current life and yet he looks NOTHING like he did
he looks legit happy....and he actually exercises because he likes to and not because he has to in order to maintain a "beautiful coffin"
i see guys like Piana and Kamali and say to myself "okay- they do ALL THIS GEAR AND HGH.......THEY'RE HUGE....but are they SINCERELY happy?"
Or, are these people who have NOTHING else in there life except doing gear and being huge
Don't get me wrong---getting older DOES NOT MEAN "GIVING UP"......FUCK NO!!!
...but as you get older you get a better sense of what you really want to do with your life and shouldn't be continuing to live a lie of any sorts....
My ex boss at the gym works out everyday and he fucking hates working out and I just shake my head at why does he do it.
...He has nothing else
I'm gonna defer to pellius alot here because is like a online Sampei to a lot of us and he's been there and done that
and I'll be frank---Pellius is a stranger who i've never met before...I have no fucking reason to trust him...I'm a typical asshole new yorker and i have trouble trusting my mother......Pellius' words always ring true to stuff like this
EDIT: actually- I won't have to write anything more detailed or verbose..I pretty much split my guts there
EDIT 2: even as "fat" as I am I still get women to text me nudes when I send them just a simple underwear selfie....that's another thing- "Bodybuilding/Physique Model Fat" is NOT FAT.....this fucking cult will fuck with your head.....don't let it
Not to offend you, but I think you've never been someone who pursuied physical fitness or achieved anything great in it, once again - this is not to offend you, just all the stories about coke, booze, etc... I don't even understand how people living that lifestyle manage to commit working out at least to some degree.
On a personal note - at 16 I wanted to be big and ripped, now at 30 I want to be "perfect" and I know that it won't happen, it will be just around the corner, but the drive, the desire, the fire to keep it going - is ten times more than it was, and I was pretty damn obsessed with working out when I started to say the least. And I'm far from someone who doesn't have anything else going in life so it's not black and white. Not worrying about having an abs doesn't say much at all, just that priorities have changed for a certain individual or maybe a said individual was living "a lie", as you put it, to begin with.
And all of us has a tendency to search for jusitifications for any decisions that we make (why it's "better" this or that way). I'd say it's very healthy to not try to justify anything or compare to anyone, a true liberty comes when you start living by your own exclusive vision and stand by it no matter what, be it no-abs, or six pack, or rich, or poor, or whatever, having a vision is what most people lack, they are just drifting blindly.
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I hate the whole concept of BEING HAPPY, as if it is some permanent state one can achieve and live happily ever after. Happiness is GAY. Men strive for more substance, a mindset perhaps that will hold them in good stead through trials and tribulations. Leave happiness to the NEWAGE F@GS.
Exactly. I have a religious friend who likes to say "Yeah, these scumbags are rich, but... are they really happy?". I just shake my head... Happy all the time are only legit crazy or people under an influence of alcohol/narcotics. To be strong in the challenges of life is happy, everything else is bullshit.
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I hate the whole concept of BEING HAPPY, as if it is some permanent state one can achieve and live happily ever after. Happiness is GAY. Men strive for more substance, a mindset perhaps that will hold them in good stead through trials and tribulations. Leave happiness to the NEWAGE F@GS.
"HAPPINESS", "PURPOSE"...whatever
i have no need to explain myself (even though I'm doing so now lol) but whatever the actual "word" is it's meant to be symbolic of something sincere and organic
so, okay I made a bit of a faux pas in word choice
as my grandfather said (and I'm paraphrasing) "only mongoloids are always happy"
Not to offend you, but I think you've never been someone who pursuied physical fitness or achieved anything great in it, once again - this is not to offend you, just all the stories about coke, booze, etc... I don't even understand how people living that lifestyle manage to commit working out at least to some degree.
i can not be offended by someone I've never met in real life :)
Everything that i let happen to me with the drugs and all "the stories" were as a result of me failing at trying to reach my dream which I won't disclose but said dream had everything to do with physical fitness, athletcism and being involved in a sport. So it's not like I was some twink who worked out just so he could have "nice muscles" but threw a baseball like a fruit
again- I won't disclose said sport because I don't feel it should be villified for being the reason I became the mess i became---that was my fault
I was a legit athlete who didn't know how to deal with having a dream die in front of him and i overcompensated by becoming what I have been known for on the intranet
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Well not everyone can be expected to navigate the hurley-burley world of male figure skating.
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Well not everyone can be expected to navigate the hurley-burley world of male figure skating.
it's true....that elvis stroika is a tough bitch to follow
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"HAPPINESS", "PURPOSE"...whatever
i have no need to explain myself (even though I'm doing so now lol) but whatever the actual "word" is it's meant to be symbolic of something sincere and organic
so, okay I made a bit of a faux pas in word choice
as my grandfather said (and I'm paraphrasing) "only mongoloids are always happy"
i can not be offended by someone I've never met in real life :)
Everything that i let happen to me with the drugs and all "the stories" were as a result of me failing at trying to reach my dream which I won't disclose but said dream had everything to do with physical fitness, athletcism and being involved in a sport. So it's not like I was some twink who worked out just so he could have "nice muscles" but threw a baseball like a fruit
again- I won't disclose said sport because I don't feel it should be villified for being the reason I became the mess i became---that was my fault
I was a legit athlete who didn't know how to deal with having a dream die in front of him and i overcompensated by becoming what I have been known for on the intranet
<cough> baseball <cough>
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"HAPPINESS", "PURPOSE"...whatever
i have no need to explain myself (even though I'm doing so now lol) but whatever the actual "word" is it's meant to be symbolic of something sincere and organic
so, okay I made a bit of a faux pas in word choice
as my grandfather said (and I'm paraphrasing) "only mongoloids are always happy"
i can not be offended by someone I've never met in real life :)
Everything that i let happen to me with the drugs and all "the stories" were as a result of me failing at trying to reach my dream which I won't disclose but said dream had everything to do with physical fitness, athletcism and being involved in a sport. So it's not like I was some twink who worked out just so he could have "nice muscles" but threw a baseball like a fruit
again- I won't disclose said sport because I don't feel it should be villified for being the reason I became the mess i became---that was my fault
I was a legit athlete who didn't know how to deal with having a dream die in front of him and i overcompensated by becoming what I have been known for on the intranet
Ok, that is more clear to me now and a lot more understandable. I have a friend, a musician... he put in lots and lots of hours into playing an instrument, but as the time went by he realized that it won't happen, he lacks "something", just can't make it through to the level that he wanted to. For the last few years he barely plays at all, works a completely unrelated job and says "I just don't have that passion to practice anymore..".
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-improve your social life
- read more books
- cook your own healthy food
- start running or biking
- learn something creative like photoshopping or drawing
- start meditating
On getbig you won't get many better replies than this. OP this is terrific advice from FitnessFrenzy, just as good as any psychologist would likely give you. I'm in a similar place as you (but 10 years further along) and you should follow this advice now before you keep drifting like I have...
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it's true....that elvis stroika is a tough bitch to follow
We all know it is pro wrestling.
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In my opinion, those sorts of ups/downs and questioning your purpose are all normal.
What concerns me is your consistent use of booze/drugs to deal with various emotional issues.
My personal philosophy on that is :
If you need drugs or drink to alter your perception , then change your reality.
1. EVERYONE alive has periods of dull, tedious existence.
I worked a career that involved my intellect, BUT it still had long , tedious periods .
A lot of life, is like waiting in line to buy a ticket. There isn't ANY deep meaning to be had from the experience. BUT, if you don't get in the line, you never get a ticket to get in.
2. This is IMPORTANT *
* Don't minimize the personal value of something just because it doesn't sound grandiose and important to other people. *
For example, when I competed in bodybuilding, I loved doing state/regional level contests. But, I often noticed that the other meatheads got a lot more positive feedback when they planned to compete in a NATIONAL level contest. I never took it personal and understood that a nationals is a lot more important then the Mr Podunk state.
Having said that, it was a bit of a fart in the face, to know that my personal contest plans, sounded a lot less exciting then the guys who went for the nationals. In the end, I know I had a great personal experience from doing things my way. I just never had the same "bragging rights" as the others.
I suspect you already know, deep down inside, what makes you feel alive.
I can't tell you what THAT is and guess what...nobody else can either !
Embrace it as YOUR thing without reservation or apology.
In all my years of wrestling with this personal, common, emotional issue, that's my conclusion.
All the best in your quest to find your own answer and personal peace of mind.
Another great post OP. Some really solid responses here for you (and anyone), don't take it for granted, after your post I expected only humorous replies but your getting some great inspirational responses!
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If that's you in your avatar, you could always try working out to see if you like it.
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If that's you in your avatar, you could always try working out to see if you like it.
Always up for throwing hands. ;)
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Always up for throwing hands. ;)
Would it be your honor?
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Would it be your honor?
If you buy the first beer after.
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If you buy the first beer after.
;D
Was JK, anyway.
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Those that say THAT... are MOrons .
hope that helps
Exactly. What a moronic statement to make when you consider that most of a person's life is spent trying to make a living leaving little time for doing what you really want to do.
Those who say that don't know what it's like not to have money. How come they don't try living without money?
When you live in a rich country and take it for granted that food is always there, drinking water is always there... you really have no idea.
When you think of all the suffering in the world: starvation, disease, lack of shelter -- hell, one of the number one killers in the world is diarrhea due to polluted drinking water -- is all due to poverty.
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Are you serious. Making a shitload of money is tough, a complete waste of a life.
So since making money is a waste of time that would imply, assuming you don't like to waste time, that you don't make any money.
How are you even here using a computer.
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I hate the whole concept of BEING HAPPY, as if it is some permanent state one can achieve and live happily ever after. Happiness is GAY. Men strive for more substance, a mindset perhaps that will hold them in good stead through trials and tribulations. Leave happiness to the NEWAGE F@GS.
Don't conflate happiness with the type you get from having fun. That is what people strive for today. For fun.
Is it fun? Am I having fun?
That type of happiness is very fleeting.
It's finding meaning in life. The type of contentment that one has so that like, Oedipus, despite it all, he "conclude that all is well."
And like JNN mentioned, a lot of comes with age, often "advanced age".
"Despite so many ordeals, my advanced age and the nobility of my soul make me conclude that all is well."
-- Sophocles, Oedipus the King
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Incontinent contentment. Can't hardly wait.
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Incontinent contentment. Can't hardly wait.
None of this is going to end well for any of us.
My father had the IQ of a genius, skipped two grades in school, graduated from college at 19, had a legit photographic memory, and was a walking encyclopedia.
The last five years of his life he had the mind (and physical capabilities) of a child.
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So since making money is a waste of time that would imply, assuming you don't like to waste time, that you don't make any money.
How are you even here using a computer.
I didn't say making money was a waste of time, but making a shitload of money was. Everyone needs enough money to meet their needs, and our needs aren't that great. Most people want money beyond what their needs dictate and end up in a lifestyle they despise. The goal is to make enough money to have as much free time as possible. This is what I have done and spent less than half my adult life working and the rest doing the things I enjoy. Mind you I have never married and had kids, makes balancing the books a lot easier.
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Not to offend you, but I think you've never been someone who pursuied physical fitness or achieved anything great in it, once again - this is not to offend you, just all the stories about coke, booze, etc...
now that I think about it the fact that you said "not to offend you" TWICE is REALLY passive aggressive
you can go literally fuck yourself
i don't care if this is the intranet and you're just a stranger who I've never met..seriously- fuck off
....furthermore, I'm not a tough guy by any means...I've been beaten up a lot in my life however i swear if i could then I would at least attempt to beat the living shit out of someone who tried passive aggressive shit like that to me in real life
then again, you could easily knock me out but like I said I would at least try
the fuck outta here.....if you don't like me say it up front--don't be passive aggressive with that "not to offend you" shit...you obviously don't respect me and that's fine but say the words "I don't respect you"
EDIT: the TL/DR version of above is this---if you don't like me then say so upfront...don't be a f
seriously--drop dead...we aint cool
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I didn't say making money was a waste of time, but making a shitload of money was. Everyone needs enough money to meet their needs, and our needs aren't that great. Most people want money beyond what their needs dictate and end up in a lifestyle they despise. The goal is to make enough money to have as much free time as possible. This is what I have done and spent less than half my adult life working and the rest doing the things I enjoy. Mind you I have never married and had kids, makes balancing the books a lot easier.
Ah, I misunderstood you.
But a certain quality of life varies considerably among individuals. All we really NEED is food, shelter and clothing. Everything can be considered a luxury (sometime not essential for survival).
So having a computer alone tells me that you want, even require some luxuries, to enhance the quality of your life. And that's what having a lot of money provides. It allows you to enhance the quality of your life. Do things and have things that allow to enjoy life more.
A nice comfortable car that doesn't break down, having an a/c and a heater to keep the temperature exactly how you like it, being about to travel and experience the world, and to keep it bodybuilding related, to afford HGH to dramatically slow the aging process and keep you physical able to enjoy these things for many years.
After all, whats the point of having a lot of free time if you can't afford to do anything?
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Are you serious. Making a shitload of money is tough, a complete waste of a life.
Broke fucks always think this way :D
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Are you serious. Making a shitload of money is tough, a complete waste of a life.
not if you can work 5 hours a day on a coctail of drugs and alcohol like the big nosed Paki terrorist.
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He must have been quite a man and you obviously inherited some of his intellect.
I know it was hard seeing him failing in his last 5 years and that is sad.
BUT, he had decades of a high functioning life.
Thus, the vast majority of our lives are well worth living.
Actually, he was incredibly physically lazy. Never did a single chore in his entire life. Never threw out the trash, mowed or watered the lawn or washed a single dish. Just loved to read and eat. When he was the Deputy Direction of the State Dept of Labor and was offered a promotion, with much higher pay, to be the Director he turned it down. I remember asking him why and he just said "more work".
Now maybe RP may say it's a fair trade off of work and free time but he had seven kids to support and we weren't living in the lap of luxury. I got a job at 10 yrs old and always had one throughout my teens so I could buy more food. Powdered milk, canned ravioli and tuna which I kept hidden in my closet. I was skinny as fuck and I knew lifting weights wasn't going to do it by itself.
I agree with RP that if you are single and have no dependents then you can opt for more free time over work. But if you decide to have a big ass family then it's less about you and what you personal want.
The only point I was making was that it's so sad to see someone, anyone, just waste away. Either that or you die young which is another tragedy in itself. Mark Twain once remarked that it would better if we started out old and grew young.
I'm a Christian and believe in God but that doesn't mean I don't question things and see and admit that there are some things that obviously don't make sense. I mean, none of here our angels and it is God that is all loving, but if you could create a world for "your children" that you love so much don't you think that you could have done a better job?
That's why I always say that a more interesting question is not whether or not God exist, something like the universe doesn't just appear out of nowhere, but a more interesting question is whether God is good.
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JNN, I can understand being annoyed and insulted on this and other internet forums.
Obviously, I've had my share LOL.
The reason it can often occur is that "the internet ether" tends to be 99.999% anonymous.
Nobody has to be accountable for their words or statement.
Look at the ID's used by 99.9% of getbiggers.
Hardly anyone uses their name or real pic ( face).
I find that best solution is to ignore or go with it and laugh.
The biggest naysayers NEED a response to get a full satisfaction.
It's like making prank calls when I was kid 50 years ago.
If they just hung up, it wasn't any fun.
That's just the nature of forums and it's not likely to change.
Always remember, if it really starts to get to you.
DON'T come on the site for awhile.
I did and after a few weeks, I came back chilled out with a renewed laid back attitude.
Actually, JNN has been gone for years. His second coming is very recent. I don't think he's been back even two months yet.
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now that I think about it the fact that you said "not to offend you" TWICE is REALLY passive aggressive
you can go literally fuck yourself
i don't care if this is the intranet and you're just a stranger who I've never met..seriously- fuck off
....furthermore, I'm not a tough guy by any means...I've been beaten up a lot in my life however i swear if i could then I would at least attempt to beat the living shit out of someone who tried passive aggressive shit like that to me in real life
then again, you could easily knock me out but like I said I would at least try
the fuck outta here.....if you don't like me say it up front--don't be passive aggressive with that "not to offend you" shit...you obviously don't respect me and that's fine but say the words "I don't respect you"
EDIT: the TL/DR version of above is this---if you don't like me then say so upfront...don't be a f
seriously--drop dead...we aint cool
Whoa hold your horses you gangsta you. I simply had an impression that you've always been a skinny guy with abs so you saying that you don't care about working out anymore made me think "It's not like he has ever accomplished much in that area anyway..". That's all it was, I have no negative feelings towards you, at all, you are not even annoying poster here.
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not if you can work 5 hours a day on a coctail of drugs and alcohol like the big nosed Paki terrorist.
Or if you can work a job that you like (like me) and don't count how many hours ave you worked today or yesterday. I've been working all day from the early morning today, I have to force myself to go do something else, it's good that gym time is comming and I have a good party tonight to attend so no more work till sunday.
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JNN, I can understand being annoyed and insulted on this and other internet forums.
Obviously, I've had my share LOL.
The reason it can often occur is that "the internet ether" tends to be 99.999% anonymous.
Nobody has to be accountable for their words or statement.
Look at the ID's used by 99.9% of getbiggers.
Hardly anyone uses their name or real pic ( face).
I find that best solution is to ignore or go with it and laugh.
The biggest naysayers NEED a response to get a full satisfaction.
It's like making prank calls when I was kid 50 years ago.
If they just hung up, it wasn't any fun.
That's just the nature of forums and it's not likely to change.
Always remember, if it really starts to get to you.
DON'T come on the site for awhile.
I did and after a few weeks, I came back chilled out with a renewed laid back attitude.
Howard--i'm up front
you're an idiot...I don't like you
i know we all joke around about hoping you kill yourself but I sincerely hope you decide to use a shotgun like a hairdryer in the very near future
Whoa hold your horses you gangsta you. I simply had an impression that you've always been a skinny guy with abs so you saying that you don't care about working out anymore made me think "It's not like he has ever accomplished much in that area anyway..". That's all it was, I have no negative feelings towards you, at all, you are not even annoying poster here.
no--we're not cool...fuck off....legit
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no--we're not cool...fuck off....legit
Lol... whatever.
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Or if you can work a job that you like (like me) and don't count how many hours ave you worked today or yesterday. I've been working all day from the early morning today, I have to force myself to go do something else, it's good that gym time is comming and I have a good party tonight to attend so no more work till sunday.
Now that is living the dream! Seriously. Doing what you love and getting paid for it is as good as it gets. Everyday is a weekend.
Congratulations!
If it's not too personal can you tell us what you do?
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Umm, anyway. Getting back to Coleman coming out of retirement.....
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you think it's a good time to talk about a black dude when a angry Italian guy full of truth serum is on a roll, pellius?
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you think it's a good time to talk about a black dude when a angry Italian guy full of truth serum is on a roll, pellius?
Umm, well, not any more. About that time machine and Jewish last name....
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would you blame nicole though
he might have been just a waiter but he was gorgeous
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Now that is living the dream! Seriously. Doing what you love and getting paid for it is as good as it gets. Everyday is a weekend.
Congratulations!
If it's not too personal can you tell us what you do?
I'm pretty much coding and managing a few web projects of my own currently. Used to work as a freelancer back in the time. It has been my hobby from a very early age, when most people had no idea how to turn on a computer so it happened naturally, there were no questions "what should I work" ever.. Yes, it's a blessing, make no mistake tho' - it's a hard and mentally taxing work, some days after 12 hours straight in front of a monitor I go out and feel like an alien/zombie for some time, it "throws off" your usual state a little bit. It's good that I'm outgoing, helps to keep a balance.
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Whoa hold your horses you gangsta you. I simply had an impression that you've always been a skinny guy with abs so you saying that you don't care about working out anymore made me think "It's not like he has ever accomplished much in that area anyway..". That's all it was, I have no negative feelings towards you, at all, you are not even annoying poster here.
I guess you missed his Calendar shot where he was displayed in all his glory. Yes, ALL, his glory. Not unimpressive, BTW.
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I guess you missed his Calendar shot where he was displayed in all his glory. Yes, ALL, his glory. Not unimpressive, BTW.
I have a feeling I'm lucky I did not see that.
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I'm pretty much coding and managing a few web projects of my own currently. Used to work as a freelancer back in the time. It has been my hobby from a very early age, when most people had no idea how to turn on a computer so it happened naturally, there were no questions "what should I work" ever.. Yes, it's a blessing, make no mistake tho' - it's a hard and mentally taxing work, some days after 12 hours straight in front of a monitor I go out and feel like an alien/zombie for some time, it "throws off" your usual state a little bit. It's good that I'm outgoing, helps to keep a balance.
Of course, nothing truly rewarding and fulfilling is easy.
One of the reason we have the culture that we have today is that people, particularly young people, have no higher meaning in their life. They believe in nothing, stand for nothing, and want to do nothing. "Generation nothingness" was a very apt term coined by gh15.
So the natural progression is hedonism. Living just for pleasure. Which is great for the moment. Which is the "fun" happiness as opposed to the content having a purpose happiness I mentioned before. And when you live just for pleasure you become shallow, empty, vapid and hollow. Life really has no meaning. So you want to be noticed. And it doesn't matter how you do it. The line of fame and infamy has been blurred. Look what people do nwt on social media? Look at what people do, the mass shootings, just to plant their flag and let everyone know you're here and that you matter and everyone will remember you.
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I have a feeling I'm lucky I did not see that.
Well, in retrospect, I'm not sure if I'm glad I saw it or not but I have to admit that when I did, I said, "Wow!" (No Homo)
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Of course, nothing truly rewarding and fulfilling is easy.
One of the reason we have the culture that we have today is that people, particularly young people, have no higher meaning in their life. They believe in nothing, stand for nothing, and want to do nothing. "Generation nothingness" was a very apt term coined by gh15.
So the natural progression is hedonism. Living just for pleasure. Which is great for the moment. Which is the "fun" happiness as opposed to the content having a purpose happiness. And when you live just for pleasure you become shallow, empty, vapid and hollow. Life really has not meaning. So you want to be noticed. And it doesn't matter how you do it. The line of fame and infamy has been blurred. Look what people do not on social media? Look at what people do, the mass shootings, just to plant your flag and let everyone know you're here and that you matter and everyone will remember you.
That's probably true, tho I"m a huge hedonist myself. But I search for happiness in various forms - I have goals, big goals, I go after them with the force of allah, seeing results of hard work brings big satisfaction, just like working our intensely for many years and one day realizing that you look like a statue you once imagined many years ago. I like to have pleasures too, but try to limit them and sometimes I help oher people (to contribute for the collective good), it turns out as a pretty balanced hedonism. I have no faith in "life" or humanity tho', so I'm a cynical hedonistic asshole most of the time. Strange mix I know, but I feel calm and content at this state, every day is a good day.
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That's probably true, tho I"m a huge hedonist myself. But I search for happiness in various forms - I have goals, big goals, I go after them with the force of allah, seeing results of hard work brings big satisfaction, just like working our intensely for many years and one day realizing that you look like a statue you once imagined many years ago. I like to have pleasures too, but try to limit them and sometimes I help oher people (to contribute for the collective good), it turns out as a pretty balanced hedonism. I have no faith in "life" or humanity tho', so I'm a cynical hedonistic asshole most of the time. Strange mix I know, but I feel calm and content at this state, every day is a good day.
LOL!
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I didn't say making money was a waste of time, but making a shitload of money was. Everyone needs enough money to meet their needs, and our needs aren't that great. Most people want money beyond what their needs dictate and end up in a lifestyle they despise. The goal is to make enough money to have as much free time as possible. This is what I have done and spent less than half my adult life working and the rest doing the things I enjoy. Mind you I have never married and had kids, makes balancing the books a lot easier.
I think you're referring to the type who spend all their youth and most of their times on their careers, and then plan to travel and enjoy life more when they're older or retired.
I like having some balance, I know I or anyone can die any day or get ill or have other problems. We tend to take things for granted such as health, family etc.
For me, when I have the opportunity to travel, I do it. This way I have no regrets regarding the things I enjoy.
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no--we're not cool...fuck off....legit
Now that I thought a lil' but about that I think you dont like me you piece of shit and try to accusme of something I did not do. You bettet tell me you don't like me straight you cock slurping whiff of a whores pussy. I'd crush your head on the pavement if given a chance and you'd not be able to blink an eye or pull your cock out in hopes to scare me off. Gtfo you borderline heterosexual. It ON now, you hear me???
Here u go. Now we're cool. Legit.
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Now that I thought a lil' but about that I think you dont like me you piece of shit and try to accusme of something I did not do. You bettet tell me you don't like me straight you cock slurping whiff of a whores pussy. I'd crush your head on the pavement if given a chance and you'd not be able to blink an eye or pull your cock out in hopes to scare me off. Gtfo you borderline heterosexual. It ON now, you hear me???
Here u go. Now we're cool. Legit.
smm approved.
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Actually, he was incredibly physically lazy. Never did a single chore in his entire life. Never threw out the trash, mowed or watered the lawn or washed a single dish. Just loved to read and eat. When he was the Deputy Direction of the State Dept of Labor and was offered a promotion, with much higher pay, to be the Director he turned it down. I remember asking him why and he just said "more work".
Now maybe RP may say it's a fair trade off of work and free time but he had seven kids to support and we weren't living in the lap of luxury. I got a job at 10 yrs old and always had one throughout my teens so I could buy more food. Powdered milk, canned ravioli and tuna which I kept hidden in my closet. I was skinny as fuck and I knew lifting weights wasn't going to do it by itself.
I agree with RP that if you are single and have no dependents then you can opt for more free time over work. But if you decide to have a big ass family then it's less about you and what you personal want.
The only point I was making was that it's so sad to see someone, anyone, just waste away. Either that or you die young which is another tragedy in itself. Mark Twain once remarked that it would better if we started out old and grew young.
I'm a Christian and believe in God but that doesn't mean I don't question things and see and admit that there are some things that obviously don't make sense. I mean, none of here our angels and it is God that is all loving, but if you could create a world for "your children" that you love so much don't you think that you could have done a better job?
That's why I always say that a more interesting question is not whether or not God exist, something like the universe doesn't just appear out of nowhere, but a more interesting question is whether God is good.
(http://i.imgur.com/Osd9n7I.png)
And if it is possible for a god to appear out of nowhere, I see no reason why a Universe could also.
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-improve your social life
- read more books
- cook your own healthy food
- start running or biking
- learn something creative like photoshopping or drawing
- start meditating
good advices
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1. Ending your dependence on drugs and booze is a no brainer , must do deal. Good for you :)
2. Basic human nature hasn't changed in a long time, but the technology has.
Social Media reflects the fact that humans tend to be lazy and most social interaction is without depth or meaning.
3. People's real nature is closer to getbig then Facebook. Sounds crazy, but it's true.
4. A few years ago someone coined the phrase , " qtr life crisis".
Plenty of mid-20's folks felt bummed out about life , like you. Thus, it was a 1/4 life crisis of conscious .
It's common for men to exhibit a "mid life crisis" in the 40's, 50's.
Their kids were raised, they were secure and steady in their career BUT life had lost it's luster.
This is when middle aged , married dudes buy a sports car , get divorced and date a younger woman. Basically, the man is getting older , so, fearing his own mortality he decides to live it up , before he croaks.
The 1/4 life crisis is different because the people involved haven't done shit with their lives yet.
Most sufferers of this condition , recently graduated from college and feel ready to run the world.
Unless you form your own company, you begin with an entry level position. Most now realize , they don't run the show and will be working for someone else for the next 40 years! This is proof, they are just an avg working slob, trying to eek out a living, like millions of others . You don't feel unique or special. Damn , life is hard.
5. The problem is most are brought up to believe that their job/career will be meaningful and important.
Forget that nonsense right now. Your job is a job , no more , no less.
Your provide a service and get paid for it. No more, no less.
That's the way it works , from CEO to grocery clerk , we all have a job to do.
Like my mom once said ; " If you feel you're too good to do a job, you're too good for your own good ."
good post
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Sounds like depression. I have struggled with depression and the absolute worst part is when you no longer find joy in things you love. For me the key to improving this is just to force yourself out and do these things anyway. Might not feel great right away but you will eventually thaw out and enjoy things again.
One a side note, I remember when I was a kid death really freaked me out. Was very scared to die. Now at 34 I still don't want to die as I love life very much, but it is tiring and I can imagine when I'm in my 70s or so I will be ready to go.
lots of people have good reason to be depressed
depression can help point you in the right direction
what worries me most is being content when i should be depressed. luckily im not there yet -- and moving in the opposite direction, even.
haven't read the full thread, but some good posts by da_vinci
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(http://i.imgur.com/Osd9n7I.png)
And if it is possible for a god to appear out of nowhere, I see no reason why a Universe could also.
True. Either God always existed or the universe always existed. Both are matters of faith. So it's fallacious when one accuses the other of being stupid for believing in fairy tales that can't be proven.
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True. Either God always existed or the universe always existed. Both are matters of faith. So it's fallacious when one accuses the other of being stupid for believing in fairy tales that can't be proven.
For something to exist it needs to come into existence at a specific point in time.
Something that comes into existence didn't exist before that point in time and will therefore eventually vanish.
So the universe cannot exist for eternity and therefore has not.
Also everything existing will not be eternal and can be called illusion.
Because when observed from the standpoint of eternity any existence will have a duration that's infinitely short.
Blabla english is not my native.
;D
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For something to exist it needs to come into existence at a specific point in time.
Why? Because our mortal existence, and all we know, which is essentially nothing, dictates we spout such a limited statement of belief?
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Why? Because our mortal existence, and all we know, which is essentially nothing, dictates we spout such a limited statement of belief?
It is just words/theory.
Knowing something for sure?
I don't think so.
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For something to exist it needs to come into existence at a specific point in time.
Something that comes into existence didn't exist before that point in time and will therefore eventually vanish.
So the universe cannot exist for eternity and therefore has not.
Also everything existing will not be eternal and can be called illusion.
Because when observed from the standpoint of eternity any existence will have a duration that's infinitely short.
Blabla english is not my native.
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Because the universe had a beginning, the Big Bang, that implies it was created, a First Cause, and it will also have an end.
That why when I said that either God always existed or the universe always existed I go with God because the universe did not always exist.
But again, these are matters of faith.
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Because the universe had a beginning, the Big Bang, that implies it was created, a First Cause, and it will also have an end.
That why when I said that either God always existed or the universe always existed I go with God because the universe did not always exist.
But again, these are matters of faith.
Ok.
Got you now.
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I've been very depressed at times; I can totally understand how someone would want to kill themselves.
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True. Either God always existed or the universe always existed. Both are matters of faith. So it's fallacious when one accuses the other of being stupid for believing in fairy tales that can't be proven.
I don't believe that something can always have existed. It seems illogical, like trying to imagine an infinite universe or even a finite one for that instance.
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Don't get me wrong---getting older DOES NOT MEAN "GIVING UP"......FUCK NO!!!
...but as you get older you get a better sense of what you really want to do with your life and shouldn't be continuing to live a lie of any sorts....
doesn't it though? i mean, if somehow you actually were given the "choice" to succeed at your sport, would you have developed this "better sense of what you really want to do"?
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For something to exist it needs to come into existence at a specific point in time.
Something that comes into existence didn't exist before that point in time and will therefore eventually vanish.
So the universe cannot exist for eternity and therefore has not.
Also everything existing will not be eternal and can be called illusion.
Because when observed from the standpoint of eternity any existence will have a duration that's infinitely short.
Blabla english is not my native.
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I think it's pretty much "proven" that universe has always existed. I mean - you can't destroy information OR energy, so...................... what does that tell us?
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I think it's pretty much "proven" that universe has always existed. I mean - you can't destroy information OR energy, so...................... what does that tell us?
Energy conservation is not some "absolute law" but rather it is a property of a system possessing a time-symmetric Lagrangian. The Universe is not such a system.
With that, a "form of energy" does not so much apply to energy itself but to the mathematical "form of the equation" used to define energy in terms of the specifics of the system. Energy is just energy; a property like momentum and charge that is related to a continuous symmetry.
There is no well-defined potential energy in General Relativity. It is possible to define energy conservation for static spacetimes in which a killing vector field can be constructed as is done with Schwarzschild and Kerr spacetimes, but however, no such construction is possible for the Universe.
Impressed aren't you, my cut and paste skills are second to none.
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Energy conservation is not some "absolute law" but rather it is a property of a system possessing a time-symmetric Lagrangian. The Universe is not such a system.
With that, a "form of energy" does not so much apply to energy itself but to the mathematical "form of the equation" used to define energy in terms of the specifics of the system. Energy is just energy; a property like momentum and charge that is related to a continuous symmetry.
There is no well-defined potential energy in General Relativity. It is possible to define energy conservation for static spacetimes in which a killing vector field can be constructed as is done with Schwarzschild and Kerr spacetimes, but however, no such construction is possible for the Universe.
Impressed aren't you, my cut and paste skills are second to none.
I had to read this twice.......to realize that I still don't understand shit.
Now how about information then? "They" say it's not destryoable, so must've existed forever.
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I've been very depressed at times; I can totally understand how someone would want to kill themselves.
genetics might contribute to this sometimes. Hemingway and several of his immediate family members killed themselves.
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I've been very depressed at times; I can totally understand how someone would want to kill themselves.
I find myself sometimes wondering what it's like.
You know, just stepping in front of a train or moving traffic.
The anticipation of getting hit, perhaps the brief moment of shock of the pain and possible regret.
Organs being crushed and your flesh tearing from your bones by the sheer force.
Your mortal shell being ripped apart in a moment of helplessness.
Although perhaps it's more of a fascination with death as opposed real interest in dying.
Actually, I have no interest in dying at all. Like someone else mentioned, I couldn't quite care for it.
But it's an interesting topic. The many ways in which bodies can shut down, and the utter defensiveness in the face of true power.
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I find myself sometimes wondering what it's like.
You know, just stepping in front of a train or moving traffic.
The anticipation of getting hit, perhaps the brief moment of shock of the pain and possible regret.
Organs being crushed and your flesh tearing from your bones by the sheer force.
Your mortal shell being ripped apart in a moment of helplessness.
Although perhaps it's more of a fascination with death as opposed real interest in dying.
Actually, I have no interest in dying at all. Like someone else mentioned, I couldn't quite care for it.
But it's an interesting topic. The many ways in which bodies can shut down, and the utter defensiveness in the face of true power.
I think it is pain us humans are more afraid of, being dead holds no fear for me, but pain does.
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I think it is pain us humans are more afraid of, being dead holds no fear for me, but pain does.
Ive always thought that if suicide would be the only option - it'd be best to get high on powerfull drugs and just jump off the cliff or something (maybe the Burj Al Khalifa), but when high one probably would not like to die lol..
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Ive always thought that if suicide would be the only option - it'd be best to get high on powerfull drugs and just jump off the cliff or something (maybe the Burj Al Khalifa), but when high one probably would not like to die lol..
This is probably true, getting really high has always removed any suicidal thinking I was indulging in.
One has to wonder how many lives drugs save. ;D
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Thread has taken a dark turn.
My fellow iron brothers! There is always being jacked and getting pussy! Eventually, you may find a good woman and settle down. Be a good husband and father and friend and neighbor.
And someday, you may find yourself helping another who is thinking dark thoughts and bring them into the light.
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Ive always thought that if suicide would be the only option - it'd be best to get high on powerfull drugs and just jump off the cliff or something (maybe the Burj Al Khalifa), but when high one probably would not like to die lol..
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Thread has taken a dark turn.
My fellow iron brothers! There is always being jacked and getting pussy! Eventually, you may find a good woman and settle down. Be a good husband and father and friend and neighbor.
And someday, you may find yourself helping another who is thinking dark thoughts and bring them into the light.
I agree.
I'm on the up. Finally able to keep meals down and to go outside. Being confined to staying indoors or in bed for several days surely messes up ones' psyche.
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Someone should commit this kind of a suicide and take a go pro vid of it. Would get mad amount of views on YT.
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"There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide." Camus
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genetics might contribute to this sometimes. Hemingway and several of his immediate family members killed themselves.
my english teacher said this was a "tragedy which would not happen today", and went on to talk about how he should have been on antidepressants.
i always wonder what makes some people so quick to recommend antidepressants, while some revile them so much. especially since, as far as i know, many of the people i hear opinions from haven't ever taken them (myself included).
my own parents have implied "depression runs in our family" and asked me to use antidepressants, which is about the extend of my "experience" with this subject. however, i can't help my suspicion. i think the "genetic tendency to depression" really just means "the intelligent person's tendency to depression". in my view, most people live in circumstances I find depressing -- only the privileged few don't. however, lots of people who live in circumstances that would depress me seem a lot less concerned than i would be. i'm not trying to sound arrogant, but these people tend to come off as simpletons who are satisfied with little. on the other hand, a lot of the more "complex" people i know (whether directly, as friends, or famed thinkers from books, etc.) have a lot of trouble with things that simply don't matter to most people.
maybe "intelligence" is the wrong word, or at least overly general. to be more specific, i think introspective people who develop strong concepts (in general) and a strong self-image (in particular) can be prone to "depression". you begin forming your self-image, or identity, as a child, when you don't know much about the world. as an adult, this image eventually comes into question as you begin to learn that you were wrong about yourself. reshaping your identity as an adult can be very difficult: an athlete who can no longer compete at the highest levels, an artist whose works go unrecognized, an aspiring lawyer who can't get into law school, a "surgeon" with an unsteady hand, etc. these people often build their life around what they wish they were, rather than what they are.
less introspective people, or people who had a more accurate view of themselves as a child, don't run into this problem, and can just "go with the flow". in other words, if you never thought much of yourself (the "simpletons" i referred to earlier) or if you really do achieve your goals (e.g. the "privileged few" i mentioned earlier), you'll probably appear "happy" to others. if you're a failed "X" who, to survive, trudges on as a half-hearted "Y", you'll appear depressed. to bring this back to "genetics", the latter requires you strongly to perceive yourself as an "X". to develop a strong self-concept requires more intelligence, i think, a trait which is largely "genetic".
after all, are many animals depressed? from all appearances, "no", and they don't seem to be particularly "self-aware". similarly, "depression" seems to be most diagnosed amongst more affluent populations -- is this an artifact of "other interests" (e.g. medical industry), or is there really something to the image of the "simple, satisfied peasant"?
to expand on the last question a little, is it any wonder that so many people in the US, in particular, are diagnosed with "depression" when they flip burgers by day and stuff their brains with idealized images of the "rich and famous" on their computers by night? the fact is, few have the ability to rise to the top, but nearly everyone has the ability to measure themselves against the successes of others, which are made ubiquitous through the internet, etc.
i'm sure some of you will find this post dripping with ignorance and first-world pussification, and i won't necessarily disagree... again, these thoughts are only based on some recent experiences. i'm sure there are many ways to link genes and depression, this is just the explanation that seems most important to me, and as a consequence of my reasoning above, i'm a little wary of those who further conclude, "well if your depression is caused by your genes, your genes are the problem. antidepressants are the solution."
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cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).
Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.
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cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).
Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.
i agree with all of this. i even said something similar to the bolded part earlier in the thread.
it's easy to connect your post to mine, as well. if you're the kind of person who develops a strong self-image, part of that image probably predicates your strength on an above-average intelligence. when you begin to doubt yourself, everything comes into question. you no longer feel smart, you feel overwhelmed with doubt and -- very weak.
the less intelligent you are, the less your feeling of strength derives from your thoughts and beliefs, which are very fickle. the simpler you are, the less you question your conceptions. i'm sure we've all met someone who seems overly-confident because they are too thick to see the perils around them. it's even a cliche, "ignorance is bliss".
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i agree with all of this. i even said something similar to the bolded part earlier in the thread.
it's easy to connect your post to mine, as well. if you're the kind of person who develops a strong self-image, part of that image probably predicates your strength on an above-average intelligence. when you begin to doubt yourself, everything comes into question. you no longer feel smart, you feel overwhelmed with doubt and -- very weak.
the less intelligent you are, the less your feeling of strength derives from your thoughts and beliefs, which are very fickle. the simpler you are, the less you question your conceptions. i'm sure we've all met someone who seems overly-confident because they are too thick to see the perils around them. it's even a cliche, "ignorance is bliss".
Well you have a good idea, I'd add that - these who happened to be not very bright, BUT lucky (to be born in a good place, raised by good parents, etc..). Pretty much a somewhat clever individual, but not overly clever, with an instinctive mind. These are probably the "happiest", very rare tho, most stupid ppl are miserable and weak most of the time.
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my english teacher said this was a "tragedy which would not happen today", and went on to talk about how he should have been on antidepressants.
i always wonder what makes some people so quick to recommend antidepressants, while some revile them so much. especially since, as far as i know, many of the people i hear opinions from haven't ever taken them (myself included).
my own parents have implied "depression runs in our family" and asked me to use antidepressants, which is about the extend of my "experience" with this subject. however, i can't help my suspicion. i think the "genetic tendency to depression" really just means "the intelligent person's tendency to depression". in my view, most people live in circumstances I find depressing -- only the privileged few don't. however, lots of people who live in circumstances that would depress me seem a lot less concerned than i would be. i'm not trying to sound arrogant, but these people tend to come off as simpletons who are satisfied with little. on the other hand, a lot of the more "complex" people i know (whether directly, as friends, or famed thinkers from books, etc.) have a lot of trouble with things that simply don't matter to most people.
maybe "intelligence" is the wrong word, or at least overly general. to be more specific, i think introspective people who develop strong concepts (in general) and a strong self-image (in particular) can be prone to "depression". you begin forming your self-image, or identity, as a child, when you don't know much about the world. as an adult, this image eventually comes into question as you begin to learn that you were wrong about yourself. reshaping your identity as an adult can be very difficult: an athlete who can no longer compete at the highest levels, an artist whose works go unrecognized, an aspiring lawyer who can't get into law school, a "surgeon" with an unsteady hand, etc. these people often build their life around what they wish they were, rather than what they are.
less introspective people, or people who had a more accurate view of themselves as a child, don't run into this problem, and can just "go with the flow". in other words, if you never thought much of yourself (the "simpletons" i referred to earlier) or if you really do achieve your goals (e.g. the "privileged few" i mentioned earlier), you'll probably appear "happy" to others. if you're a failed "X" who, to survive, trudges on as a half-hearted "Y", you'll appear depressed. to bring this back to "genetics", the latter requires you strongly to perceive yourself as an "X". to develop a strong self-concept requires more intelligence, i think, a trait which is largely "genetic".
after all, are many animals depressed? from all appearances, "no", and they don't seem to be particularly "self-aware". similarly, "depression" seems to be most diagnosed amongst more affluent populations -- is this an artifact of "other interests" (e.g. medical industry), or is there really something to the image of the "simple, satisfied peasant"?
to expand on the last question a little, is it any wonder that so many people in the US, in particular, are diagnosed with "depression" when they flip burgers by day and stuff their brains with idealized images of the "rich and famous" on their computers by night? the fact is, few have the ability to rise to the top, but nearly everyone has the ability to measure themselves against the successes of others, which are made ubiquitous through the internet, etc.
i'm sure some of you will find this post dripping with ignorance and first-world pussification, and i won't necessarily disagree... again, these thoughts are only based on some recent experiences. i'm sure there are many ways to link genes and depression, this is just the explanation that seems most important to me, and as a consequence of my reasoning above, i'm a little wary of those who further conclude, "well if your depression is caused by your genes, your genes are the problem. antidepressants are the solution."
it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:
(https://stevensonfinancialmarketing.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/suicide_rate_since_1993_2010.jpg)
I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).
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it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:
(https://stevensonfinancialmarketing.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/suicide_rate_since_1993_2010.jpg)
I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).
No job = no money = less chances of survival = feeling bad = depressed = suicide................. ..........win?
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No job = no money = less chances of survival = feeling bad = depressed = suicide................. ..........win?
yeah pretty much
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it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:
(https://stevensonfinancialmarketing.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/suicide_rate_since_1993_2010.jpg)
I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).
yep, and yet everyone should be happy, right? if you aren't "functioning normally", take some antidepressants...
like i said before (along with da_vinci and probably others, too), depression is often healthy. if your life sucks and you can recognize that, you SHOULD be depressed -- these feelings will compel you to change. if your life sucks and you decide to take drugs to feel better, if you become obsessed with feelings in themselves (forgetting their connection to "reality") then you've lost it. this is drug abuse, in my opinion.
by the same token, i'd say antidepressants and drugs CAN be helpful -- for people whose feelings are "malfunctioning". to invert my previous statement, "if your life doesn't suck but you think it does, you SHOULDN'T be depressed". if this describes someone, drugs may be "appropriate" for them. and maybe this "malfunction" has a clear (yet to be discovered, of course) genetic cause. who knows...
but anyway, who is to judge whether one's life sucks or not... is there an "objective criteria"? personally, i think it's "power". more power means more control (and, in da_vinci's terms, ensured survival).
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OP – kill yourself, f aggot.
it was a bit of a fart in the face, to know that my personal contest plans, sounded a lot less exciting then the guys who went for the nationals.
You too, dickhead.
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What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
My family.
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Bertrand Russells quote on life is awe-inspiring.
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.
With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
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Bertrand Russells quote on life is awe-inspiring.
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.
With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
I like James Watson's outlook better.
(https://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/cippv.jpg?w=640)
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OP – kill yourself, f aggot.
You too, dickhead.
Put up or shut up, cockmuncher.
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I don't believe that something can always have existed. It seems illogical, like trying to imagine an infinite universe or even a finite one for that instance.
Yes, you speak precisely. You don't "believe"..... It's those that claim that they "know" that I have an issue with.
I don't believe something just appears out of nowhere. The universe had a beginning. If it didn't just appear out of nowhere then it had to have had a creator, a "First Mover". And because I believe that God is transcendent the laws of nature and logic don't apply.
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I've been very depressed at times; I can totally understand how someone would want to kill themselves.
You don't have to be depress to want to kill yourself. In fact, it can be a very rational, well thought out act given your alternatives.
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I think it's pretty much "proven" that universe has always existed. I mean - you can't destroy information OR energy, so...................... what does that tell us?
It's been proven that energy always existed?
Link?
I can just as easily say that God is energy and has always existed and that the universe is just one of the manifestations of his "energy".
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protect the precious bodily fluids and still the mind.
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I had to read this twice.......to realize that I still don't understand shit.
Now how about information then? "They" say it's not destryoable, so must've existed forever.
So the principles, and the application of those principles, as well as the abstract design of the bicep supinator always existed and Basile just "discovered" it?
So, in essence, nothing has ever been invented (creating something that didn't exist before) but only discovered (realizing or being made aware of something that always existed).
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Ive always thought that if suicide would be the only option - it'd be best to get high on powerfull drugs and just jump off the cliff or something (maybe the Burj Al Khalifa), but when high one probably would not like to die lol..
Cut carbs for a couple of days, fast one day, take some Ambien, and then inject a vial of Humulin R before hitting the sack. Drift off peacefully.
Thank me later.
Well, maybe not.
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cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).
Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.
Being depressed its quite different from being unhappy. Depression has more to do with your perspective on life. What is your purpose or meaning? What lies in the future? Does anything really matter in the grand scheme of things?
Depression requires some contemplation, introspection and self-examination? Animals don't get depressed.
During the final week of one of my dog's life I spent a lot of time with her and really paid attention to what was going on in her life. She had cancer but the actual fatal part came on very suddenly. She was always an exceptionally exuberant dog. Always happy and active. Whenever I came home it was like the greatest thing in her life. Jumping around, barking -- just going crazy.
Then almost overnight you could see things were going bad. She had this sad listless look on her face. But when I would pick up the leash I could see her tail wagging as she practically crawled to me (she loved going on walks). When I bought a treat her eyes would light up and I'd get that doggy smile. But most of the time she just slept and didn't move much and looked sad. But I doubt there was any soul searching going on. She just felt crappy.
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cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).
Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.
Whole heartedly disagree on this. It has to do with the relationship between expectations and gratitude. You can have one or the other but not both. And it is gratitude that is one of the prerequisites for happiness. It is expectations, what you think life should be, that is one of the main causes of disappointment and subsequent depression.
I guaran-damn-tee you that if I took someone currently living in Dafur and traded places with him for the OP the "Dafurian" would think that he just won the lottery while the OP would forget about his depression as he tries to avoid getting slaughtered by the Muslims and finding clean drinking water and food.
Paul Brand, author of the book, Pain: The Gift Nobody Wants, remarked how depression was confined mostly to first world nations. Contemplating the meaning of life, your role in it, and your fate and future is a luxury. When you are living hand to mouth everyday you are too preoccupied with your survival and the survival of your family to even begin to feel sorry for yourself.
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It has to do with the relationship between expectations and gratitude. You can have one or the other but not both. And it is gratitude that is one of the prerequisites for happiness. It is expectations, what you think life should be, that is one of the main causes of disappointment and subsequent depression.
Yup.
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At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose. Having lived abroad for a significant amount of time has left me feeling 'home-less', and in constant need for change. Much like my circle of friends changes every so often due to relocation or pursuit of different careers.
For the most part I have always been content with my life, thinking I had it on lock.
Working towards a degree, at whatever pace. Partying on the side, working out, and the random hook-ups here and there.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
With my body currently failing me, having been bed-ridden the last few days, coughing up blood and practically choking on mucus.
In the wake of a failing relationship I actually cared about, and who might even be pregnant of me, I feel like I'm getting closer each day to losing it.
My thoughts seem to bounce back and forth between shutting myself off to everything and lashing out at the leasts of triggers. Where randomly punching someone to a pulp appears just as appealing as a vanilla icecream on a hot summer day.
Sure, there are ups and downs. And in the end I will probably be fine.
Yet I simply do not see a point other than living towards the next meal or drink for the sake of keeping this drudged cycle going.
Hopefully either the anti-biotics start kicking in and I can finally hit the gym again to clear my mind, or it turns out to be terminal. I'm fine with either.
What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
I'm late to this thread. But I'll say something.
I think people today need to realize that they are nothing but star dust, that their opinions and emotions aren't really relevant or important. But it's hard to see that when you experience these feelings. Another thing people need to realize is that the world is completely unfair when it comes to starting from an even playfield, because everyone gets their own set of cards and they have to work with them the best they can. The one mistake people do is to try to be something they just are not fit to be either mentally or physically which usually leads to depression, frustration, apathy or whatever.
Peope almost never think about the shit they really need, just what they want, because the fact is if you erase all the artificial influence created by man (social media, commercials, news etc.etc.) you don't need much. Your insignificant feelings that empower your thoughts at a given time are nothing compared to the physical design of your body that is here only to survive as long as possible to reproduce and then it's a done deal.
Given that fact, it's always interesting to see what people turn into and is no way a reason to throw your life away because it seems meaningless. This is a temporary time we're here for, do whatever you want with it.
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Bertrand Russells quote on life is awe-inspiring.
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.
With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
Although I read a lot of Eastern Philosophy in high school (due in no small part to the T series "Kung Fu" -- lol) it was Bertrand Russell that was my first Philosophy "guru" (I was 18 years old at the time). He not only helped clarify my thinking at a time when I left my Christian faith a few years earlier much to the horror of my family, he also inspired me to educate myself with the various great thinkers in the world as well as to major in Philosophy in college until I realized I wasn't going to get a job with a Philosophy major unless I wanted to get a PhD and teach.
We've obviously parted ways but he still has a soft spot in my heart and brings back many happy memories of me thinking, "Yes! Yes! That's what I mean! That's what I was trying to say!"
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I like James Watson's outlook better.
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Yes, I always say that the best life on this earth is the one live by the American family dog.
Too bad we find ourselves thinking and contemplating the meaning of life.
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Yes, I always say that the best life on the earth is the one live by the American family dog.
Too bad we find ourselves thinking and contemplating the meaning of life.
Yeah. Just like diognese said to alexander the great to "step away from my sun" after he told diognese to ask him for anything, lol
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Rat Race (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x368om1_bob-marley-the-wailers-rat-race-live_music)
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Yeah. Just like diognese said to alexander the great to "step away from my sun" after he told diognese to ask him for anything, lol
Look at you! All educated and stuff. Where did you hear that?
It won't be too long, as my mind continues to fail, that you will see me walking along the beaches of Hawaii carrying a lamp in broad daylight looking for "an honest man". LOL!
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Whole heartedly disagree on this. It has to do with the relationship between expectations and gratitude. You can have one or the other but not both. And it is gratitude that is one of the prerequisites for happiness. It is expectations, what you think life should be, that is one of the main causes of disappointment and subsequent depression.
I guaran-damn-tee you that if I took someone currently living in Dafur and traded places with him for the OP the "Dafurian" would think that he just won the lottery while the OP would forget about his depression as he tries to avoid getting slaughtered by the Muslims and finding clean drinking water and food.
Paul Brand, author of the book, Pain: The Gift Nobody Wants, remarked how depression was confined mostly to first world nations. Contemplating the meaning of life, your role in it, and your fate and future is a luxury. When you are living hand to mouth everyday you are too preoccupied with your survival and the survival of your family to even begin to feel sorry for yourself.
I think you are going a lil bit poethic on this matter. To boil it down to the simplest form possible - depression is when a human feels weak in the enviroment that he currently lives in and in conditions that surround him. Regarding animals being depressed, it's just by human terms, by animal terms that depression is manifested in a simpler way (due to their mind being less complex). Such an animal is just constantly scared, keeping it "low key", doesn't trust anyone, always looking for someone to harm him. I'm sure you've seen such a lost dog or some other animal on Animal Planet. Feelings of humans are literally the same as in all other animals, we just like to rationalize them and coat in our intelligent cover, but in essence it's nothing more, just a computer calculating the odds of survival and letting us know whether they are good (=happy) or bad (=unhappy. If for a long time = depressed). Most alcoholics are that way because they were depressed, usualy it's not because they thought a lot "about life", but for more simple reasons - failed in work field, failed in relathionships, just failed in some fields that are important for them and can't accept it, can't deal with the sadness.
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Depression requires some contemplation, introspection and self-examination? Animals don't get depressed.
so a Zoo elephant which walks around in circles 1000 times each day, while looking into the ground, is not depressed?
there are plenty of examples of cages zoo animals which this sad behaviour.
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I think you are going a lil bit poethic on this matter. To boil it down to the simplest form possible - depression is when a human feels weak in the enviroment that he currently lives in and in conditions that surround him. Regarding animals being depressed, it's just by human terms, by animal terms that depression is manifested in a simpler way (due to their mind being less complex). Such an animal is just constantly scared, keeping it "low key", doesn't trust anyone, always looking for someone to harm him. I'm sure you've seen such a lost dog or some other animal on Animal Planet. Feelings of humans are literally the same as in all other animals, we just like to rationalize them and coat in our intelligent cover, but in essence it's nothing more, just a computer calculating the odds of survival and letting us know whether they are good (=happy) or bad (=unhappy. If for a long time = depressed). Most alcoholics are that way because they were depressed, usualy it's not because they thought a lot "about life", but for more simple reasons - failed in work field, failed in relathionships, just failed in some fields that are important for them and can't accept it, can't deal with the sadness.
"Feelings of humans are literally the same as in all other animals"
What? You strike me as a very intelligent guy but how can you say something like this? A mouse (which is most used in experiments transferable to humans) has the same feelings as you and me? Does it feel love for the various female mice it humps every chance it gets. Does it worry about the future of it's offspring and hopes he raise them with the right values? Does a male lion feel a bit of remorse when it kills the cubs, watching it cringe in fear and pain, of other lions because it threatens his gene pool? Does a mongoose wonder how it's son it doing and is he living a happy and productive life. Does he he feel sadness because his offspring never keeps in contact anymore. When I took a puppy from a litter I don't remember the mom giving a crap and there didn't seem to be any evidence that it wonder why all it's children were taken away and gone? If you're a caribou and you hurt your leg and walk with a limp nobody in the herd is going to look after you, protect you -- they abandon you as you just attract predators. You either keep up or die. Nobody feels guilty.
This is what happens as our society has gotten more secular. Humans are just another animal. We don't have souls. You can't rise above our animal nature. Does an animal ever contemplate the moral implications of it's behavior? Almost a year ago a woman who lived alone and was a shut in and had no family or friends died. Nobody notice until after almost three weeks because of the smell. They found her carcass rotting as her cats were feeding on her. The cats she loved and cared for all their lives. What do you think was going on in the mind of the first cat that decided to take a bite? Nothing. The cat was starving and there was dead meat right there for the taking. No rationalization where it's "Sorry mom but no use all of us die".
Animal act solely of instinct not feelings.
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so a Zoo elephant which walks around in circles 1000 times each day, while looking into the ground, is not depressed?
there are plenty of examples of cages zoo animals which this sad behaviour.
No. Again don't conflate unhappiness or personal discomfort with depression. An elephant is not contemplating it's past, present and future. There is no self-reflection and comparing how life is and how it should be. He's not thinking that he should be in Africa walking endlessly across the plains looking for grub and water.
BTW, I've never seen an elephant walking around in circles a 1000 times a day. They just stand there just like they do in the wild until it's time to find greener pasture. As long as the pasture is green it will just stand there shuffling around only when necessary.
And I've never ever seen a caged zoo animal acting sad let alone depressed. Compare to their life in the wild: nasty, brutal and short, they are worry free. Plenty of examples? Show me one.
As long as an animal physical needs and comfort is taken care of it's all good. It doesn't worry about the meaning of life and if it's living up to it's full potential.
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No. Again don't conflate unhappiness or personal discomfort with depression. An elephant is not contemplating it's past, present and future. There is no self-reflection and comparing how life is and how it should be. He's not thinking that he should be in Africa walking endlessly across the plains looking for grub and water.
BTW, I've never seen an elephant walking around in circles a 1000 times a day. They just stand there just like they do in the wild until it's time to find greener pasture. As long as the pasture is green it will just stand there shuffling around only when necessary.
And I've never ever seen a caged zoo animal acting sad let alone depressed. Compare to their life in the wild: nasty, brutal and short, they are worry free. Plenty of examples? Show me one.
As long as an animal physical needs and comfort is taken care of it's all good. It doesn't worry about the meaning of life and if it's living up to it's full potential.
you might know more about how to define unhappiness vs. depresssion, than I do. And if that is the case, I obviously respect this.
There is no doubt, however, that some caged zoo animals are unhappy / sad or whatever you want to call it. Don't you agree?
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Look at you! All educated and stuff. Where did you hear that?
It won't be too long, as my mind continues to fail, that you will see me walking along the beaches of Hawaii carrying a lamp in broad daylight looking for "an honest man". LOL!
Oh yeah I'm really educated, bruh ! I've read some shit here and there, lol.
Love that what you said about honesty, tho!
But most peoples lives are a meme, their thoughts are a dream and their philosophy a slogan ;D
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and pellius, here is a scientific article about possible depression in animals:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leslie_Meltzer/publication/6223216_High-speed_imaging_reveals_neurophysiological_links_to_behavior_in_an_animal_model_of_depression/links/00b4953c6617cf36be000000.pdf
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you might know more about how to define unhappiness vs. depresssion, than I do. And if that is the case, I obviously respect this.
There is no doubt, however, that some caged zoo animals are unhappy / sad or whatever you want to call it. Don't you agree?
No, I don't. What evidence do you have that they are unhappy? Especially the way modern zoos are kept today. If anything, certainly compared to their wild counterparts, they live a carefree life of luxury.
I lived next door to a kennels growing up. It was where they housed animals in cages for the Vet hospital about a half mile away. Now this was in the sixties and early seventies where they didn't give a crap about "animal conditions".
I was probably about 8 years old when I started helping out with the up keep. It was keep by a family that lived in a house and the kennels were in back. They probably housed maybe twenty dogs at any given time. One of their kids was my age and my best friend at the time. We both loved taking care of the various breeds of dogs. I would venture to say that their cage was about 10 feet square so they could walk around a bit.
It's hard to describe the area but it was also an area where we kids could hang out and play. Now, if we were playing and ignoring the dogs they just laid there and slept -- just like my dogs do when I'm away or in the house. When we would get their attention, either to feed them or play with them, they would immediately snap to attention, tail wagging, with that eager doggy smile expression. Just like my dogs at home do.
Never ever did I ever get the impression that they were in anyway sad or depressed.
In my neighborhood there is a family that raises Pit Bulls. I think they keep them in horrible conditions. They keep them in cages which must be five feet square. They can barely walk around. Whenever I see them they're just sleeping. If they notice me they immediately jump to attention and start barking wildly. When their owner comes out they wag their tail and look happy and eager. No doubt because one of the few times the owner pays attention to them is to feed them so they associate him with something positive.
Do you really think the Pit Bulls are thinking, "You know, this blows. Look at this place. I can hardly move. I'd so like to bite the shit out of that mofo that occasionally snoops around here but I'm locked up in this fucking cage."
It's fed, it sleeps all day like all dogs do. It's physically comfortable. It's not thinking about what else it would like to do.
In essence, they are really too dumb to realize how miserable they should be.
Compared to modern day pets, which lives a carefree, comfortable life; an animal at the zoo is living the dream. When was the last time you went to a zoo? Compare that with how they live in the wild.
An animal at a zoo dies of old age. There's no such thing in nature. Once you slow down you're a walking target and will be killed.
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No, I don't. What evidence do you have that they are unhappy? Especially the way modern zoos are kept today. If anything, certainly compared to their wild counterparts, they live a carefree life of luxury.
I lived next door to a kennels growing up. It was where they housed animals in cages for the Vet hospital about a half mile away. Now this was in the sixties and early seventies where they didn't give a crap about "animal conditions".
I was probably about 8 years old when I started helping out with the up keep. It was keep by a family that lived in a house and the kennels were in back. They probably housed maybe twenty dogs at any given time. One of their kids was my age and my best friend at the time. We both loved taking care of the various breeds of dogs. I would venture to say that their cage was about 10 feet square so they could walk around a bit.
It's hard to describe the area but it was also an area where we kids could hang out and play. Now, if we were playing and ignoring the dogs they just laid there and slept -- just like my dogs do when I'm away or in the house. When we would get their attention, either to feed them or play with them, they would immediately snap to attention, tail wagging, with that eager doggy smile expression. Just like my dogs at home do.
Never ever did I ever get the impression that they were in anyway sad or depressed.
In my neighborhood there is a family that raises Pit Bulls. I think they keep them in horrible conditions. They keep them in cages which must be five feet square. They can barely walk around. Whenever I see them they're just sleeping. If they notice me they immediately jump to attention and start barking wildly. When their owner comes out they wag their tail and look happy and eager. No doubt because one of the few times the owner pays attention to them is to feed them so they associate him with something positive.
Do you really think the Pit Bulls are thinking, "You know, this blows. Look at this place. I can hardly move. I'd so like to bite the shit out of that mofo that occasionally snoops around here but I'm locked up in this fucking cage."
It's fed, it sleeps all day like all dogs do. It's physically comfortable. It's not thinking about what else it would like to do.
In essence, they are really too dumb to realize how miserable they should be.
Compared to modern day pets, which lives a carefree, comfortable life; an animal at the zoo is living the dream. When was the last time you went to a zoo? Compare that with how they live in the wild.
An animal at a zoo dies of old age. There's no such thing in nature. Once you slow down you're a walking target and will be killed.
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and pellius, here is a scientific article about possible depression in animals:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leslie_Meltzer/publication/6223216_High-speed_imaging_reveals_neurophysiological_links_to_behavior_in_an_animal_model_of_depression/links/00b4953c6617cf36be000000.pdf
"Possible"
But I didn't read it thoroughly because it's a high level scientific article and beyond me. All this "imagining" suggest....
Yeah, OK. Now what?
There was a study done suggesting that dogs believe in an after life. That the reason breeding is such an imperative, a "moral" imperative, is that animals hae some grasp of immortality.
Again, as our society becomes more secular and we continue to diminish human nature (we're just like animals) and elevate the nature of animals (a study was done where 55% of those surveyed believed that animals should have the same basic rights as humans -- talk about cognitive dissonance!) there soon will be time when our culture will make a moral equivalence between humans and animals. In the future our culture will be looked upon as cruel because we enslaved dogs and kept them on a leash and referred to ourselves as their "owners".
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"Feelings of humans are literally the same as in all other animals"
What? You strike me as a very intelligent guy but how can you say something like this? A mouse (which is most used in experiments transferable to humans) has the same feelings as you and me? Does it feel love for the various female mice it humps every chance it gets. Does it worry about the future of it's offspring and hopes he raise them with the right values? Does a male lion feel a bit of remorse when it kills the cubs, watching it cringe in fear and pain, of other lions because it threatens his gene pool? Does a mongoose wonder how it's son it doing and is he living a happy and productive life. Does he he feel sadness because his offspring never keeps in contact anymore. When I took a puppy from a litter I don't remember the mom giving a crap and there didn't seem to be any evidence that it wonder why all it's children were taken away and gone? If you're a caribou and you hurt your leg and walk with a limp nobody in the herd is going to look after you, protect you -- they abandon you as you just attract predators. You either keep up or die. Nobody feels guilty.
This is what happens as our society has gotten more secular. Humans are just another animal. We don't have souls. You can't rise above our animal nature. Does an animal ever contemplate the moral implications of it's behavior? Almost a year ago a woman who lived alone and was a shut in and had no family or friends died. Nobody notice until after almost three weeks because of the smell. They found her carcass rotting as her cats were feeding on her. The cats she loved and cared for all their lives. What do you think was going on in the mind of the first cat that decided to take a bite? Nothing. The cat was starving and there was dead meat right there for the taking. No rationalization where it's "Sorry mom but no use all of us die".
Animal act solely of instinct not feelings.
I still think you are going a lil bit too deep into this. Humans, just like other animals, share the same brain pathways that evovlved over the millions of years. Each feeling that we have was selected with a PURPOSE. Feeling joy, feeling sadness, feeling remorse - each of these emotions have a place in survival game. We as humans have minds that are more complex, so our emotions/feelings are more complex, but everything still boild down to survival. You won't see a "depressed" human being who has all his ducks in a row, a balance in life (survival), that simply does not happen. Now if the survival is at stake (some important fields of life doesn't happen like one would like to) - the negative emotions imform us about it (to force us to do something). SOmetimes these emotions become so abunadant and overhelming that an individual starts to loose it, the motivation to change something dssapears completely, that just reinforces the overall "sad" state, here you go - a depression, a great source of income for pharmateutical companies, great source of income for shrimps (sp?), it's better to keep such a human being alive, even if in a vegetative state, and keep taking benefit of his weaknessess.
We can't get into head of animals to precisely "know" what they feel, but you can certainly see when an animal feels weak and scared, sad, from all his posture, eyes, behaviour, it's actually pretty similar to how severly depressed humans look..
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I'm not going to watch the twenty minute vid but about the Panda -- oh brother.
When I scold my dog and smack it on the head it looks sad. It sulks awayand lies in the corner and has a sad look on it's face. After a while, say a few hours, I will approach my dog maybe about ten feet away. It kinda of just looks at me with a sad expression. When I tell him it's OK and to come to me the change is immediately. Back with the doggie smile, the tail wagging, jumping up and down.
When my dog lost it's companion I did notice a change in it's behavior. It seemed confused and sad. Something that was there was now gone. It got over it.
Animals get sad. They don't get depressed. The don't contemplate life, it's meaning, their role and what the future holds. Contemplating one's future and life's meaning is a necessary factor when talking about depression. They don't think in terms of having a bleak future and hopelessness.
And these are dogs. One of the more intelligent members of the animal kingdoms. I've had pet rats, rabbits and chicken and to say there is any kind of emotional interaction, let alone the claim that we have the same feelings is preposterous.
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I'm not going to watch the twenty minute vid but about the Panda -- oh brother.
When I scold my dog and smack it on the head it looks sad. It sulks awayand lies in the corner and has a sad look on it's face. After a while, say a few hours, I will approach my dog maybe about ten feet away. It kinda of just looks at me with a sad expression. When I tell him it's OK and to come to me the change is immediately. Back with the doggie smile, the tail wagging, jumping up and down.
When my dog lost it's companion I did notice a change in it's behavior. It seemed confused and sad. Something that was there was now gone. It got over it.
Animals get sad. They don't get depressed. The don't contemplate life, it's meaning, their role and what the future holds. Contemplating one's future and life's meaning is a necessary factor when talking about depression. They don't think in terms of having a bleak future and hopelessness.
And these are dogs. One of the more intelligent members of the animal kingdoms. I've had pet rats, rabbits and chicken and to say there is any kind of emotional interaction, let alone the claim that we have the same feelings is preposterous.
Please don't "smack" your dog Pellius.
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Animals get sad. They don't get depressed. The don't contemplate life, it's meaning, their role and what the future holds. Contemplating one's future and life's meaning is a necessary factor when talking about depression. They don't think in terms of having a bleak future and hopelessness.
I've been contemplating life from a very young age, and I have pretty much no hope or illusions regarding humanit or life itself, a very very dark outlook of what life is about, but am I depressed? Hell no, I wake up with a smile on my face. Why? Because I managed to arrange my life in a decent way to not worry much about anything and just be able to enjoy this short adventure while I can. Contemplating lifes meaning and future is usualy a natural manifestation of being depressed (if that contemplation did not happen before). Individual simply tries to search for a "reason" to keep it going, to not give up, and feels like life is unfair, like it's shit, like "why bother", etc... A non depressed individuals often think the same, but being depressed just gives a darker color to the same outlook. When an individual feels weak/lacks control for a long time, becomes depressed day in, day out, looks back and doesn't see anything good, tries to look forward, but still doesn't see potentially positive outcome, it's usualy when a suicide happens. Pharmateucicals can "numb" that, deceive a person by shor circuiting these natural signaling mechanisms (that we call depression) and make one think that "everythiing is allright", just like alcohol. Give a sad dog some coke - he will suddenly become "happy" and won't care about his real survival conditions as long as the coke will be working.
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I still think you are going a lil bit too deep into this. Humans, just like other animals, share the same brain pathways that evovlved over the millions of years. Each feeling that we have was selected with a PURPOSE. Feeling joy, feeling sadness, feeling remorse - each of these emotions have a place in survival game. We as humans have minds that are more complex, so our emotions/feelings are more complex, but everything still boild down to survival. You won't see a "depressed" human being who has all his ducks in a row, a balance in life (survival), that simply does not happen. Now if the survival is at stake (some important fields of life doesn't happen like one would like to) - the negative emotions imform us about it (to force us to do something). SOmetimes these emotions become so abunadant and overhelming that an individual starts to loose it, the motivation to change something dssapears completely, that just reinforces the overall "sad" state, here you go - a depression, a great source of income for pharmateutical companies, great source of income for shrimps (sp?), it's better to keep such a human being alive, even if in a vegetative state, and keep taking benefit of his weaknessess.
We can't get into head of animals to precisely "know" what they feel, but you can certainly see when an animal feels weak and scared, sad, from all his posture, eyes, behaviour, it's actually pretty similar to how severly depressed humans look..
You don't see failures in life having all their ducks in a row and balanced in life and you don't see extraordinarily accomplished and successful people with all their ducks in a row and balanced in life. You think Arnold is a balance individual? Or better yet, Ronnie Coleman? How about Mother Teresa.
Having all your ducks in a row and being balanced says nothing about your chances or success or goodness.
And that's one of the difference between humans and animals. We don't do things just for survival. More and more families don't reproduce, especially the ones we want to reproduce. Americans are at a negative growth rate even though our population is still increasing. But that is due to immigration and the underclass living off entitlement programs.
Why do we bother to care for the sick and elderly? They take up a disproportionate amount of resources while contributing nothing. They are a burden to our society and diminish our survival by consuming resources better spent.
During the Vietnam war it was a common tactic to wound rather than kill an American soldier. Why? Because you kill a soldier you take one man out of the battle. You wound him and now you burden the other soldiers that have to take care of him. Wounding a soldier was a common tactic to bringing out the others in the open to also be shot.
A wounded soldier is useless and a heavy burden to the others diminishing their chances of survival. It would be much more pragmatic to abandon him depending on the severity of the wound.
So why do we do it? It's because we are not animals. We don't ditch the guy with the limp like herd animals do. People sacrifice human survival all the time. It's not just about living just to be alive as it is with animals.
Every time we drag a wounded soldier in the field and care for him. Even if it means taking two other soldiers out of action just to carry him. Every time we spent tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of dollars just to keep a person that is no longer productive alive is how we assert our humanity. How we proclaim that we are not just animals. That we have a heart and we have a soul -- and yes, we are divine. There is more to all this than just this world and just your life.
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Please don't "smack" your dog Pellius.
Oh brother. ::)
There's not much I can do about the rest of society getting pussified but not in my world. My dogs get smacked on the snout and the top of the head and so did all my nieces and nephews.
Me I got belt welts on the back of my leg growing up and I learned to respect authority. I got pull over recently and though the cop was half my age I still call him sir.
And all my dogs, nieces and nephews love me because they know I love them more than anything in the world.
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I've been contemplating life from a very young age, and I have pretty much no hope or illusions regarding humanit or life itself, a very very dark outlook of what life is about, but am I depressed? Hell no, I wake up with a smile on my face. Why? Because I managed to arrange my life in a decent way to not worry much about anything and just be able to enjoy this short adventure while I can. Contemplating lifes meaning and future is usualy a natural manifestation of being depressed (if that contemplation did not happen before). Individual simply tries to search for a "reason" to keep it going, to not give up, and feels like life is unfair, like it's shit, like "why bother", etc... A non depressed individuals often think the same, but being depressed just gives a darker color to the same outlook. When an individual feels weak/lacks control for a long time, becomes depressed day in, day out, looks back and doesn't see anything good, tries to look forward, but still doesn't see potentially positive outcome, it's usualy when a suicide happens. Pharmateucicals can "numb" that, deceive a person by shor circuiting these natural signaling mechanisms (that we call depression) and make one think that "everythiing is allright", just like alcohol. Give a sad dog some coke - he will suddenly become "happy" and won't care about his real survival conditions as long as the coke will be working.
Depression comes from unrealistic expectations of what life really is. It's no surprise that people suffer from depression more than at any other time. They were pampered their whole lives and not taught to deal with the natural up and downs of life. They are never taught to be grateful. No matter what they have they always want, or rather feel they should have more.
Look at Harley. I swear, who lives a more fulfilling life than he does on this board? He doesn't consider himself rich but he owns a bunch of cars that are worth as much as most people's homes. He's able to travel, keep a collection of guns, movie posters and who knows what. He's healthy enough to compete and train in Jiu-Jitsu.
Hires a personal piano teacher. Able to paint and make pretty good portraits. Has a beautiful wife. He wants for nothing. You'd think he'd wake up every morning just full of gratitude that he's been so successful in life.
Yet it's not enough. There's a difference between wanting more and expecting more. He often suffers from depression. Maybe, as someone speculated, that there may be some internal conflict having to defend a lot of rotten people in this world.
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You don't see failures in life having all their ducks in a row and balanced in life and you don't see extraordinarily accomplished and successful people with all their ducks in a row and balanced in life. You think Arnold is a balance individual? Or better yet, Ronnie Coleman? How about Mother Teresa.
Having all your ducks in a row and being balanced says nothing about your chances or success or goodness.
And that's one of the difference between humans and animals. We don't do things just for survival. More and more families don't reproduce, especially the ones we want to reproduce. Americans are at a negative growth rate even though our population is still increasing. But that is due to immigration and the underclass living off entitlement programs.
Why do we bother to care for the sick and elderly? They take up a disproportionate amount of resources while contributing nothing. They are a burden to our society and diminish our survival by consuming resources better spent.
During the Vietnam war it was a common tactic to wound rather than kill an American soldier. Why? Because you kill a soldier you take one man out of the battle. You wound him and now you burden the other soldiers that have to take care of him. Wounding a soldier was a common tactic to bringing out the others in the open to also be shot.
A wounded soldier is useless and a heavy burden to the others diminishing their chances of survival. It would be much more pragmatic to abandon him depending on the severity of the wound.
So why do we do it? It's because we are not animals. We don't ditch the guy with the limp like herd animals do. People sacrifice human survival all the time. It's not just about living just to be alive as it is with animals.
Every time we drag a wounded soldier in the field and care for him. Even if it means taking two other soldiers out of action just to carry him. Every time we spent tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of dollars just to keep a person that is no longer productive alive is how we assert our humanity. How we proclaim that we are not just animals. That we have a heart and we have a soul -- and yes, we are divine. There is more to all this than just this world and just your life.
I can't really find much in a human life that's not tied to survival, directly or indirectly. People doesn't reproduce because they doesn't believe in that "meaning of life"(god) and because they want to live themlselves for as long as possible, not for other people (kids). It's kind of a survival too (but destructive at the same time).
We take care of elderly just because they are the source of income for these who take car of them. If not that reason - most would die in horrible conditions and just very few would be taken care of humans who want to fel "better" about themselves so they take care of others.
And I think our point of views go separate ways at the point where you think that we are "divine" and not animals. I think we are presicesly just animals and nothing else, just a collection of replicators (genes) that work together (as an organism) while trying to survive. These genes that help an organism to survive are selected to exist further, really simple. And I think that pretty much every single action of any human being can be translated to a survival context, one way or another.
But we can agree that we dissagree, it's all good.
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Depression comes from unrealistic expectations of what life really is. It's no surprise that people suffer from depression more than at any other time. They were pampered their whole lives and not taught to deal with the natural up and downs of life. They are never taught to be grateful. No matter what they have they always want, or rather feel they should have more.
Look at Harley. I swear, who lives a more fulfilling life than he does on this board? He doesn't consider himself rich but he owns a bunch of cars that are worth as much as most people's homes. He's able to travel, keep a collection of guns, movie posters and who knows what. He's healthy enough to compete and train in Jiu-Jitsu.
Hires a personal piano teacher. Able to paint and make pretty good portraits. Has a beautiful wife. He wants for nothing. You'd think he'd wake up every morning just full of gratitude that he's been so successful in life.
Yet it's not enough. There's a difference between wanting more and expecting more. He often suffers from depression. Maybe, as someone speculated, that there may be some internal conflict having to defend a lot of rotten people in this world.
Maybe there's some more stuff that he's not succesfull at, that bothers him, that he can't control. But overall - I dont see such a person offing himself anytime soon. Thinking about death and life meaning too much can induce temporary sadness, of course, as it's a.. threat to survival. Maybe he feels tension to keep all that stuff, to defend it from potential bad people, maybe he has loans, who knows...
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Oh brother. ::)
There's not much I can do about the rest of society getting pussified but not in my world. My dogs get smacked on the snout and the top of the head and so did all my nieces and nephews.
Me I got belt welts on the back of my leg growing up and I learned to respect authority. I got pull over recently and though the cop was half my age I still call him sir.
And all my dogs, nieces and nephews love me because they know I love them more than anything in the world.
Oh brother. ::)
There's not much I can do about the rest of society getting pussified but not in my world. My dogs get smacked on the snout and the top of the head and so did all my nieces and nephews.
Me I got belt welts on the back of my leg growing up and I learned to respect authority. I got pull over recently and though the cop was half my age I still call him sir.
And all my dogs, nieces and nephews love me because they know I love them more than anything in the world.
I'm sorry that you feel "smacking" your dog is the best route to take in demanding obedience/good behavior.
Has nothing to with "pussification"; Hitting your dog just shows your character as the superior species and your laziness in wanting to correct the poor behavior.
If you'd like I could direct you towards some reading on proper ways of disciplining your furry friends.
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Depression comes from unrealistic expectations of what life really is. It's no surprise that people suffer from depression more than at any other time. They were pampered their whole lives and not taught to deal with the natural up and downs of life. They are never taught to be grateful. No matter what they have they always want, or rather feel they should have more.
Look at Harley. I swear, who lives a more fulfilling life than he does on this board? He doesn't consider himself rich but he owns a bunch of cars that are worth as much as most people's homes. He's able to travel, keep a collection of guns, movie posters and who knows what. He's healthy enough to compete and train in Jiu-Jitsu.
Hires a personal piano teacher. Able to paint and make pretty good portraits. Has a beautiful wife. He wants for nothing. You'd think he'd wake up every morning just full of gratitude that he's been so successful in life.
Yet it's not enough. There's a difference between wanting more and expecting more. He often suffers from depression. Maybe, as someone speculated, that there may be some internal conflict having to defend a lot of rotten people in this world.
I agree with you here. Have you watched this movie? : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125666
It really shows the American cultural idea that a house can never be big enough, and having 30 cars is better than having 3. The material desire is never enough. You are never fulfilled.
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At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose. Having lived abroad for a significant amount of time has left me feeling 'home-less', and in constant need for change. Much like my circle of friends changes every so often due to relocation or pursuit of different careers.
For the most part I have always been content with my life, thinking I had it on lock.
Working towards a degree, at whatever pace. Partying on the side, working out, and the random hook-ups here and there.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
With my body currently failing me, having been bed-ridden the last few days, coughing up blood and practically choking on mucus.
In the wake of a failing relationship I actually cared about, and who might even be pregnant of me, I feel like I'm getting closer each day to losing it.
My thoughts seem to bounce back and forth between shutting myself off to everything and lashing out at the leasts of triggers. Where randomly punching someone to a pulp appears just as appealing as a vanilla icecream on a hot summer day.
Sure, there are ups and downs. And in the end I will probably be fine.
Yet I simply do not see a point other than living towards the next meal or drink for the sake of keeping this drudged cycle going.
Hopefully either the anti-biotics start kicking in and I can finally hit the gym again to clear my mind, or it turns out to be terminal. I'm fine with either.
What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?
Purpose?
JASON BABA PICS THE NUTS
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I can't really find much in a human life that's not tied to survival, directly or indirectly. People doesn't reproduce because they doesn't believe in that "meaning of life"(god) and because they want to live themlselves for as long as possible, not for other people (kids). It's kind of a survival too (but destructive at the same time).
We take care of elderly just because they are the source of income for these who take car of them. If not that reason - most would die in horrible conditions and just very few would be taken care of humans who want to fel "better" about themselves so they take care of others.
And I think our point of views go separate ways at the point where you think that we are "divine" and not animals. I think we are presicesly just animals and nothing else, just a collection of replicators (genes) that work together (as an organism) while trying to survive. These genes that help an organism to survive are selected to exist further, really simple. And I think that pretty much every single action of any human being can be translated to a survival context, one way or another.
But we can agree that we dissagree, it's all good.
We absolutely do not take care of the elderly because we make money from it.
Yes, they are a source of income for some but they represent a negative economic impact on society reducing our quality of life, progression and, hence, survival. It's just like me saying that if I start breaking windows and burning down houses it will be a source of income for construction workers but you've lost the value of the initial structures and now have to pay for the new structures. Result: net loss. Why do you think Medicare/Medicade is bankrupting this country?
There is nothing in caring for the weak, infirm, deformed or anybody else that produces nothing for society yet requires a disproportionate amount of society resources that enhances our survival and quality of life. It diminishes our chances of survival and progression as it takes away resources that could be more productively spent. Yet we do it.
And when you equate animals with humans you don't necessarily elevate the status of animals but rather diminish the value human life.
Do you believe that animals and humans should have the same basic rights? If no, why not? After all, we are "just animals and nothing else"?
Two weeks ago some helped a complete stranger who was being attacked by a shark. Put his own life a great risk for someone he doesn't know. And before you say that he is protecting the survival of the species you just said that people don't reproduce because they just want to live for themselves. Now one of them is not acting in a survival context.
In addition to the example where we rescue and care for a soldier in the field, diminishing everybody's chances of survival, I've now given two more concrete, and not trivial, examples where humans, by displaying their humanity -- their heart and soul -- do things to help others even though it is a net cost to society and hence it's survival.
Something animals do not do or have the capacity to do. Sure animals protect and care for each other because it does enhance their survival but it is not out of compassion or empathy that is unique to human beings.
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I'm sorry that you feel "smacking" your dog is the best route to take in demanding obedience/good behavior.
Has nothing to with "pussification"; Hitting your dog just shows your character as the superior species and your laziness in wanting to correct the poor behavior.
If you'd like I could direct you towards some reading on proper ways of disciplining your furry friends.
I would love for you to walk through my gate and discipline my two German Shepards, one Rotty and a very territorial Poi Dog (an expression used in Hawaii to mean a mixed breed).
And yes, I am the superior species and they know it. And if they ever forget who is in charge then a smack on the snout reminds them real quick. Just like when one of the dogs forgets who is the Alpha dog. A growl and a snipe reminds them real quick.
Just like it's always been until the Liberals started gaining influence and now kids swear and give the finger to their parents and teachers.
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I agree with you here. Have you watched this movie? : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125666
It really shows the American cultural idea that a house can never be big enough, and having 30 cars is better than having 3. The material desire is never enough. You are never fulfilled.
Again it's the difference between wanting more and expecting more. We always want more. Expecting it is something else altogether.
When you expect something you are not grateful when you get it because, well, you expected it. You're entitle to it. I am not grateful that I have air to breath even though it is essential to life. Oxygen is something that is part of this planet and I expect to always be there -- at least in my lifetime.
I am well aware that just being born in this country makes me better off than the majority of the people in this world. Something I did nothing to earn or deserve. Therefore, I am grateful and continually remind myself, how blessed I am.
When someone rear ended me six months I ago I didn't cry and moan like a girl I know did, "Why me? Why me? Of all the cars in this State he had to hit mine." I expect bad things to happen. I can't believe how many people actually believe that the norm in life is smooth sailing.
Without gratitude, without feeling thankful for what you have even though you always want more, happiness is not possible.
This is something that does not come naturally but needs to be taught. It isn't anymore. But, yes, you can be fulfilled. It just depends on your state of mind.
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Again it's the difference between wanting more and expecting more. We always want more. Expecting it is something else altogether.
When you expect something you are not grateful when you get it because, well, you expected it. You're entitle to it. I am not grateful that I have air to breath even though it is essential to life. Oxygen is something that is part of this planet and I expect to always be there -- at least in my lifetime.
I am well aware that just being born in this country makes me better off than the majority of the people in this world. Something I did nothing to earn or deserve. Therefore, I am grateful and continually remind myself, how blessed I am.
When someone rear ended me six months I ago I didn't cry and moan like a girl I know did, "Why me? Why me? Of all the cars in this State he had to hit mine." I expect bad things to happen. I can't believe how many people actually believe that the norm in life is smooth sailing.
Without gratitude, without feeling thankful for what you have even though you always want more, happiness is not possible.
This is something that does not come naturally but needs to be taught. It isn't anymore. But, yes, you can be fulfilled. It just depends on your state of mind.
good post. There is a saying something like this: "poor people in America are just temporarily embarassed millionaires" .. in other words they will become millionaires or they expect it.
Obviously, such a thought is statistically nonsense and therefore people who can't meet their life expectations get sad / depressed / angry.
And I agree that gratitude about the good things in life is important for mental well-being.
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Find Jesus. Serve others in love.
absolutely this.
thread coulda stopped about 15 posts in on page 1.
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I would love for you to walk through my gate and discipline my two German Shepards, one Rotty and a very territorial Poi Dog (an expression used in Hawaii to mean a mixed breed).
And yes, I am the superior species and they know it. And if they ever forget who is in charge then a smack on the snout reminds them real quick. Just like when one of the dogs forgets who is the Alpha dog. A growl and a snipe reminds them real quick.
Just like it's always been until the Liberals started gaining influence and now kids swear and give the finger to their parents and teachers.
Nothing I can say will change your mind, or the manner in which you treat animals. As they say, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." It comes down to punishment vs. correction. Sounds like you are punishing your animals instead of actively trying to correct the issue, which is okay if you want to continue to hit your animals.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” - Mahatma Gandhi
I'll leave you alone about this now. No need to reply.
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We absolutely do not take care of the elderly because we make money from it.
Yes, they are a source of income for some but they represent a negative economic impact on society reducing our quality of life, progression and, hence, survival. It's just like me saying that if I start breaking windows and burning down houses it will be a source of income for construction workers but you've lost the value of the initial structures and now have to pay for the new structures. Result: net loss. Why do you think Medicare/Medicade is bankrupting this country?
There is nothing in caring for the weak, infirm, deformed or anybody else that produces nothing for society yet requires a disproportionate amount of society resources that enhances our survival and quality of life. It diminishes our chances of survival and progression as it takes away resources that could be more productively spent. Yet we do it.
And when you equate animals with humans you don't necessarily elevate the status of animals but rather diminish the value human life.
Do you believe that animals and humans should have the same basic rights? If no, why not? After all, we are "just animals and nothing else"?
Two weeks ago some helped a complete stranger who was being attacked by a shark. Put his own life a great risk for someone he doesn't know. And before you say that he is protecting the survival of the species you just said that people don't reproduce because they just want to live for themselves. Now one of them is not acting in a survival context.
In addition to the example where we rescue and care for a soldier in the field, diminishing everybody's chances of survival, I've now given two more concrete, and not trivial, examples where humans, by displaying their humanity -- their heart and soul -- do things to help others even though it is a net cost to society and hence it's survival.
Something animals do not do or have the capacity to do. Sure animals protect and care for each other because it does enhance their survival but it is not out of compassion or empathy that is unique to human beings.
Honestly... who'd take care of an old, immobile, shitting and pissing, angry and delusional human being for more than a few days for free?
Maybe few, but there are millions, they'd die just like in animal kindgom - out in nowhere, cared by noone. And I know a female who works that job, she earns very good money for that, that's her main source of income. Plenty of people who earn a living doing that, I think it's obvious (and the survival benefits).
What do I think about "rights" of animals"? I don't think about it, sorry... I've became way too cynical and indifferent towards topics like these. I just accept this not very nice reality and try to survive in it while I can.
That fella who rescued someone from the shark attack - he has been searching for a pleasure in his life (to feel good, after doing good. Feeling good - is a sign of goos survival state). But he risked his life, may've ended otherwise for both of them. maybe he had a similar experience in the past himself so kind of "felt" for that human, maybe he thought that he'd like someone to do that for him so acted adequately (still it's about thoughts of personal survival, even if theoretical).
They rescue soldiers in the battle field, their OWN soldiers, these who support their case, but kill furiously the "other side". Animals tend to drag an injured animal too, to keep it in the pack, more is better than less, overall, but cease to do that when it becomes impossible, so does humans. Empathy is just another emotion in a survival machinery.
It would be a lot more simple if you'd step aside the belief that we are somehow different than animals and try to evaluate verything from purely biological perspective. It just starts making so much sense there's simply no need to try to somehow coat these mechanics in subtle meanings and "higher causes". And that is not bad, btw, idk why many people think that being an animal is bad. It's beautiful, it's how this reality works.
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Find Jesus. Serve others in love.
Religion is increasingly irrelevant to the human condition these days. I agree with helping others, not necessarily unconditionally.
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absolutely this.
thread coulda stopped about 15 posts in on page 1.
what part does protecting the bodily fluids have in maintaining your Jesus connection?
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what part does protecting the bodily fluids have in maintaining your Jesus connection?
Don't understand question. Need a little help.
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Religion is increasingly irrelevant to the human condition these days. I agree with helping others, not necessarily unconditionally.
agreed
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Religion is increasingly irrelevant to the human condition these days. I agree with helping others, not necessarily unconditionally.
It depends how you define "help."
Would I unconditionally offer help to someone on drugs who wants to have someone listen to him/her--sure, I will lend an "ear" for them to talk to me.
Would I unconditionally offer help to someone on drugs who wants to keep borrowing money from me, without any knowledge of to where its going? Absolutely not!
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Lighten up, Francis.
haha
now you now that I am in my 40's to know that reference
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25 seems like a logical age to have some doubts about the life experience. You've been out of school for a few years, have seen the real world and you're saying to yourself, "So, this is it, eh?"
Unfortunately, it is it. So, how do we make the best out of what is essentially a bad situation?
1. Do what you can to stay healthy.
2. Make enough money so that you don't have to sweat the basics.
3. Find some things you enjoy to occupy your mind, whether it be work, family or hobbies. The bright side is that the Internet has created an environment where someone who wants to learn new things can do so endlessly.
That's about it.
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25 seems like a logical age to have some doubts about the life experience. You've been out of school for a few years, have seen the real world and you're saying to yourself, "So, this is it, eh?"
Unfortunately, it is it. So, how do we make the best out of what is essentially a bad situation?
1. Do what you can to stay healthy.
2. Make enough money so that you don't have to sweat the basics.
3. Find some things you enjoy to occupy your mind, whether it be work, family or hobbies. The bright side is that the Internet has created an environment where someone who wants to learn new things can do so endlessly.
That's about it.
Get it right with God, first, or not a thing on your list will have even a shred of meaning.
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Get it right with God, first, or not a thing on your list will have even a shred of meaning.
what else can I say? agreed.
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Get it right with God, first, or not a thing on your list will have even a shred of meaning.
If this were really true, so many religious types wouldn't feel the need to proselytize others.
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Don't understand question. Need a little help.
Does the sublimated libido of the born again Christian have any bearing on how close he feels to the Lord or can he enjoy himself regularly with abandon within the context of marriage and not diminish his spiritual connectivity.
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Does the sublimated libido of the born again Christian have any bearing on how close he feels to the Lord or can he enjoy himself regularly with abandon within the context of marriage and not diminish his spiritual connectivity.
As long as that abandon within the marriage doesn't result in sin then all is good.
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Get it right with God, first, or not a thing on your list will have even a shred of meaning.
There is no God, hope this helps.
It is like saying get it right with some anonymous galaxy out the back of yonder, just nonsense, and only a desperate fool would put his faith in nonsense. What can I say, the world is full of desperate fools.
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Nothing I can say will change your mind, or the manner in which you treat animals. As they say, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." It comes down to punishment vs. correction. Sounds like you are punishing your animals instead of actively trying to correct the issue, which is okay if you want to continue to hit your animals.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” - Mahatma Gandhi
I'll leave you alone about this now. No need to reply.
Of course it would be nice to make a post directed at me with the qualifier, "No need to reply."
You should know me better than that by now.
Punishment is correction. I know the sophisticates turn their nose up at any hint of violence. They are far too evolved for such boorish and primitive behavior.
Fact of the matter is the world is still ruled by force. You can do all the reasoning, persuading, and negotiating you want by unless it is back by force it means nothing. Whether it's trying to convince some drunk to leave your girlfriend alone or a nation leader to not invade another country. Unless you are willing or able to do some ass kicking or carpet bombing it's pointless. Cops would be quite a paper tiger if it wasn't for their cuffs, night stick and gun.
Working in a dog kennel for nearly a decade I've probably gone through hundreds of dogs of various breeds. Dogs are very, very special to me. No where will you find in the animal kingdom a relationship so unique and special as a dog does with humans.
Because I consider the relationship between a dog and a man so unique and special -- unlike anything you will ever see in any other animal, I believe that dogs are a special gift from God to show, prove and give a real world example of unconditional love. So to me a dog is scared and holy. And I treat them differently then I do any other animal. I don't discipline my cat, my parakeet, or my rabbit as I do my dogs. They are simply not as important or worth the trouble to me.
And that is an idiotic quote by Ghandi. Fame and wisdom is not interchangeable. And Ghandi was not all he is made out to be. He was quite a showman and knew how to put on a facade. As the poet, Sarojini Naidu, once joked, "It cost a fortune to keep Gandhi living in poverty."
And every nation in the world, including the primarily vegetarian India, slaughters animals and eats them.
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Honestly... who'd take care of an old, immobile, shitting and pissing, angry and delusional human being for more than a few days for free?
Maybe few, but there are millions, they'd die just like in animal kindgom - out in nowhere, cared by noone. And I know a female who works that job, she earns very good money for that, that's her main source of income. Plenty of people who earn a living doing that, I think it's obvious (and the survival benefits).
What do I think about "rights" of animals"? I don't think about it, sorry... I've became way too cynical and indifferent towards topics like these. I just accept this not very nice reality and try to survive in it while I can.
That fella who rescued someone from the shark attack - he has been searching for a pleasure in his life (to feel good, after doing good. Feeling good - is a sign of goos survival state). But he risked his life, may've ended otherwise for both of them. maybe he had a similar experience in the past himself so kind of "felt" for that human, maybe he thought that he'd like someone to do that for him so acted adequately (still it's about thoughts of personal survival, even if theoretical).
They rescue soldiers in the battle field, their OWN soldiers, these who support their case, but kill furiously the "other side". Animals tend to drag an injured animal too, to keep it in the pack, more is better than less, overall, but cease to do that when it becomes impossible, so does humans. Empathy is just another emotion in a survival machinery.
It would be a lot more simple if you'd step aside the belief that we are somehow different than animals and try to evaluate verything from purely biological perspective. It just starts making so much sense there's simply no need to try to somehow coat these mechanics in subtle meanings and "higher causes". And that is not bad, btw, idk why many people think that being an animal is bad. It's beautiful, it's how this reality works.
Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?
Da Vinci, like I said, I considered you a intelligent and thoughtful person but it now seems to me that you are not as interested in the truth but in promoting your agenda.
I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.
Admit this obvious truth or I am forced to conclude that you are simply not an honest man.
And of course it would be a lot more simple, at least for you, if I simple agreed with you. Just like it would be simple for me if you just agreed with me.
Why do you avoid the simple question that do you believe that man and animals should have the same basic rights? And if not, why not if you consider humans and animals all the same? To claim that you have never thought of the rights of all living things and in the same breath claim that you have been contemplating the great issues of life for your entire life rings a bit hollow.
But be that as it may, so assuming you have never ever thought about it before I am asking you to think about it now. This is a debate and one has to often confront and consider new ideas presented in an argument.
And I think it is unfortunate, but not surprising because of the secularization of our culture, that you believe that man is no different from an animal. That you are basically the same as a toad, a snake, a mongoose or a wild turkey.
An animal acts purely on instinct. It takes what it wants if it can get away with it (steals), it mates with whomever it wants (rape), and attacks whomever it doesn't want around.
An animal has no moral sense. It doesn't think in terms of right or wrong. What surprises me is that so many agree with you. You have called everybody reading this thread that they are no better than animals. They either agree with you or too cowardly to speak up against such a grave insult. By calling someone an animal you rob them of their humanity -- their heart and their soul. When they look at themselves, their parents and all that they sacrificed, their children of whom they have given so much, when you consider the real heroes in this world that have sacrifice their lives for the benefit of others -- when they look at all this all they see are fellow animals that somehow developed a modesty that demands that they wear clothes. Just animals really no different from a hyena, a crocodile, a trigger fish, or a timber wolf.
Nobody here disagrees with this or has the guts to speak out against it. That's the real tragedy. The truth exists whether or not anyone accepts it or even knows it. But how one reacts when they're very nature is diminished will speak a lot as to where we are heading as a culture and a people.
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Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?
I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.
Hi Adolf ;D
And plenty of what if's. What if we were all getbiggers, what if we were all molluscs, what if we were all space aliens, what if we all were hermaphrodites.....
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agreed
You agree with this?
Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.
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You agree with this?
Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.
I disagree.
Religion should be banned.
One shouldn't need imaginary friends to cope with life.
On a side note:
Religion caused estimated 15 million deaths for Christianity and a mere 2 million for Islam up until today.
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There is no God, hope this helps.
It is like saying get it right with some anonymous galaxy out the back of yonder, just nonsense, and only a desperate fool would put his faith in nonsense. What can I say, the world is full of desperate fools.
There is a God. Hope this helps.
"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."
-- G.K. Chesterson
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"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."
-- G.K. Chesterson
Doesn't make any sense...
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There is a God. Hope this helps.
"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."
-- G.K. Chesterson
1) Proove it
2) To believe in God is to believe in anything.
3) And judging by these photos, Chesterson was definitely a permabulker getbigger
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Doesn't look very smart.
Just like his quote.
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Hi Adolf ;D
And plenty of what if's. What if we were all getbiggers, what if we were all molluscs, what if we were all space aliens, what if we all were hermaphrodites.....
Actually, in my customarily long winded and verbose thesis I only use the phrase "What if?" once. And it was in the context of the very familiar and common argument used to determine the efficacy, clarity or goodness of a given situation or decision and that is the "What if everybody did that?"
I was pointing out the obvious condition that caring for the elderly is a cost to society. Because Da Vinci seems to have difficulty grasping that obvious fact because some people do make a living in caring for the elderly. So if we were all elderly no income will be generated. Similar to the ones who have difficulty grasping the concept that the government does not create wealth. So a government job does nothing for the economy. Sure people who work for the government get paid but the money they get has been taken by the government from other tax payers in the private sector. So the government really can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it "gives" to one person it has taken from someone else. And for those who can't understand that you use the "What if everybody did that argument?" If we all worked for the government no one would get paid.
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Doesn't look very smart.
Just like his quote.
More. His diet could do with some fine tuning, maybe he skipped the religious texts on gluttony.
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More. His diet could do with some fine tuning, maybe he skipped the religious texts on gluttony.
Most likely.
Typical selective reader.
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Actually, in my customarily long winded and verbose thesis I only use the phrase "What if?" once. And it was in the context of the very familiar and common argument used to determine the efficacy, clarity or goodness of a given situation or decision and that is the "What if everybody did that?"
I was pointing out the obvious condition that caring for the elderly is a cost to society. Because Da Vinci seems to have difficulty grasping that obvious fact because some people do make a living in caring for the elderly. So if we were all elderly no income will be generated. Similar to the ones who have difficulty grasping the concept that the government does not create wealth. So a government job does nothing for the economy. Sure people who work for the government get paid but the money they get has been taken by the government from other tax payers in the private sector. So the government really can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it "gives" to one person it has taken from someone else. And for those who can't understand that you use the "What if everybody did that argument?" If we all worked for the government no one would bet paid/
Caring for children also comes at a cost to society. So if we were all children then what? See, such arguments make no sense. The fact is the world is comprised of countless variations of human life. And you are right, what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority. So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.
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I disagree.
Religion should be banned.
One shouldn't need imaginary friends to cope with life.
On a side note:
Religion caused estimated 15 million deaths for Christianity and a mere 2 million for Islam up until today.
So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?
This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.
On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.
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So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?
This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.
On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.
Everyone believes in laws that dictate what people should believe? Our entire legal system is based upon it.
And stop selling communism, just because capitalism has killed more than communism doesn't mean capitalism is worse.
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1) Proove it
2) To believe in God is to believe in anything.
3) And judging by these photos, Chesterson was definitely a permabulker getbigger
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You first.
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You first.
Prove what. The philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others. (Russell's teapot)
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So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?
This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.
On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.
I don't believe in laws.
I don't believe you should dictate people anything.
I am not atheist.
I have no atheist beliefs.
I thought we discuss religion?
On a side note: Captalism 205,000,000 deaths with 18,000,000 deaths each year due to systemic poverty.
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Caring for children also comes at a cost to society. So if we were all children then what? See, such arguments make no sense. The fact is the world is comprised of countless variations of human life. And you are right, what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority. So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.
You completely and entirely missed the point I was making in using you as an example. It totally just sailed over you head.
And you really, absolutely haven't the slightest clue as to how wealth is created and how our economy works. Not the slightest clue. That a Bill Gates, working in the private industry, actually created wealth and made this country more prosperous, whereas the government, creating nothing, just confiscates part of that wealth via taxation.
Wow! I mean, really, really wow! I am truly and absolutely stunned as to how uneducated you are. I really, really am.
Just blown away.
Is anybody else getting this?
"The rich plunder the poor and it's not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back."
Holy shit! I really just can't get over the absolute colossal ignorance.
Do you have a job? When you get your pay check do you feel that you are being plundered by the business owner and you want some of it back? Just a fraction of it?
RP, how old are you and how much formal education have you had?
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Is anybody else getting this?
"The rich plunder the poor and it's not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back."
Well, basically it's like that.
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Everyone believes in laws that dictate what people should believe? Our entire legal system is based upon it.
And stop selling communism, just because capitalism has killed more than communism doesn't mean capitalism is worse.
The laws of the US dictates that I believe in Christianity?
You're not conflating rules, laws of behavior, with someone's personal metaphysics, are you?
And I'm selling Communism... wait a minute, why am I even arguing with you. Your previous post to this one just confirmed to me that you are probably one of the most uneducated person on this board. I just printed out your post and can't wait to show it to a good friend of mine who is an econ professor at the University of Hawaii. It will make for a good hearty laugh and then a moment of sad introspection at the quality of people our society is producing.
How old are you and how much education do you have? Now if you are embarrassed to answer this question I understand and will stop asking but man I've just got to know.
You really have no idea just how ignorant you are. Not a clue.
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Prove what. The philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others. (Russell's teapot)
Read your own post. "There is no God".
You made the assertion first, so prove it.
And I've already admitted countless times times, even on this very thread, that I can't prove the existence of God. That it is a matter of faith. In fact, I think it I had that discussion with YOU!
Holy motherfucking shit! You really are stupid. I mean, like retarded stupid.
And the Russell tea pot example was him admitting that he himself also couldn't prove the non existence of God just like he can't prove that there isn't a tea pot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter. Then later joking that he considers the existence of God just as likely.
You get stupider and stupider with each succeeding post. You try to sound smart by referring to Russell but yet you've never read the actual book, "Why I'm Not a Christian" he wrote that contained that quote.
How old are you and how much formal education do you have?
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And if it is possible for a god to appear out of nowhere, I see no reason why a Universe could also.
True. Either God always existed or the universe always existed. Both are matters of faith. So it's fallacious when one accuses the other of being stupid for believing in fairy tales that can't be proven.
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I don't believe in laws.
I don't believe you should dictate people anything.
I am not atheist.
I have no atheist beliefs.
I thought we discuss religion?
On a side note: Captalism 205,000,000 deaths with 18,000,000 deaths each year due to systemic poverty.
The only prosperous countries practice some form of Capitalism. Even China, a Communist country move to a more free market economy while maintaining. There is a reason why the US is the richest country in the world.
If Capitalism causes so much poverty and death why do you live here. Why don't you move to a more Socialist country where instead of private property, a hallmark of Capitalism, the government owns more of what you have.
No laws, eh? So people can do whatever they want?
So you don't dictate, i.e, tell others how to behave and what they should believe? Have you ever raised kids? If not, how would you raise them since you don't believe in dictating a value system?
So if you are not an atheist then you believe in a higher power?
We may have discussed religion and if we have I don't remember you as I discuss religion with so many members on this board.
Do you have a link or a source where you got that statistics that Capitalism kills 18 million people a year because of poverty.
I mean, forgive me for doubting you but the vast majority of deaths due to poverty is in Africa. None of which practice Capitalism or a free market economy and are all run by corrupt governments.
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Which law did prevent a crime for example?
Imho kids learn mostly through example.
I think you know if you tell a kid "do this... do that..." it is likely to do the opposite.
Higher power?
It is not higher.
link (http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/)
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Which law did prevent a crime for example?
Imho kids learn mostly through example.
I think you know if you tell a kid "do this... do that..." it is likely to do the opposite.
Higher power?
It is not higher.
link (http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/)
Which law did prevent a crime for example?
Are you serious? You are committing the fallacy of asking me to prove something that didn't happen.
You really believe that laws, rules, where there are consequences to violating really have no effect on behavior. Of course, no law or rule will ever completely eliminate a behavior but just because you can't eliminate all behavior it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to eliminate some or the majority of such behavior.
Let me ask you that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I personally witness what happens when the laws broke down and the police just left for two weeks during the LA riots.
Obviously you have never raised kids and absolutely if you tell a kid to do something he will more than likely do it and if not, he will suffer the consequences which, if severe enough, will change his mind. I once told my parents "no" when they said it was time for me to go to bed. Once.
I was taught the value of good manners so I was told that when an adult enters the room you are to stand up and greet him. I do this to this very day. It was not something that came naturally. I had to be taught and told what to do. Just like eating with a fork or chopstick when I rather eat with my hands at the time.
Instead of being coy and playing girlie games just be straight up. You don't believe in a God and don't believe in a higher power. Do I have to keep guessing. Just speak plainly and enough with this faggotry.
I beginning to understand why you get death threats. And if there weren't any laws or consequences I would just kill you myself.
Man, are there some really off the wall characters here. I'm still recovering at how absolutely uninformed and uneducated Radical Plato is. It's truly breathtaking.
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Which law did prevent a crime for example?
Are you serious? You are committing the fallacy of asking me to prove something that didn't happen.
You really believe that laws, rules, where there are consequences to violating really have no effect on behavior. Of course, no law or rule will ever completely eliminate a behavior but just because you can't eliminate all behavior it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to eliminate some or the majority of such behavior.
Let me ask you that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I personally witness what happens when the laws broke down and the police just left for two weeks during the LA riots.
Obviously you have never raised kids and absolutely if you tell a kid to do something he will more than likely do it and if not, he will suffer the consequences which, if severe enough, will change his mind. I once told my parents "no" when they said it was time for me to go to bed. Once.
I was taught the value of good manners so I was told that when an adult enters the room you are to stand up and greet him. I do this to this very day. It was not something that came naturally. I had to be taught and told what to do. Just like eating with a fork or chopstick when I rather eat with my hands at the time.
Instead of being coy and playing girlie games just be straight up. You don't believe in a God and don't believe in a higher power. Do I have to keep guessing. Just speak plainly and enough with this faggotry.
I beginning to understand why you get death threats. And if there weren't any laws or consequences I would just kill you myself.
Man, are there some really off the wall characters here. I'm still recovering at how absolutely uninformed and uneducated Radical Plato is. It's truly breathtaking.
"...if severe enough will change his mind."
I doubt that. Might not work on a strong individual.
Speaking of kids...
I certainly don't want to introduce a being to this insane dimension so to speak.
If someone wants to really do something he/she is likely to ignore all laws/rules.
The prisons are full of them minus the innocent.
A law/rule is no guarantee for specific behaviour.
That's what I basically wanted to say.
Well you could try to kill me but I doubt you will be successful.
I know there is a "power" but I refuse to give it attributes since it will be limiting to said "power".
English is not my native and I'm known to use too less words so communication might suffer.
Radical Plato is one of the most intelligent and wise here imho.
Opinions vary I guess.
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You agree with this?
Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.
The reason I made this thread is due to having been stuck inside for the majority of a week.
Which was slowly driving me insane due to having absolutely 0 stimuli or opportunity to vent, being isolated and incapacitated.
If it is spirituality you're speaking of, I'd agree to a certain point, as I find Alan Watts audio-tapes (without music) and Immanuel Kant (and others) interesting reads.
Religion has not once added anything to my life. Nor will it ever. As both the reads are terrible and the practices are to laugh at.
I will give credit to religion for having been a stepping-stone, and a first attempt at any guidelines of which to life by.
But as any first attempt at anything, it blatently and outright sucks.
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Sentencing laws generally consider a number of factors for what crime has been found to have been committed.
Commonly, deterrence is one of them.
Sir Harley would chime in here.
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And the Russell tea pot example was him admitting that he himself also couldn't prove the non existence of God just like he can't prove that there isn't a tea pot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter. Then later joking that he considers the existence of God just as likely.
What I'm taking away is that the inability to prove non-existence does not constitute proof of existence, but I haven't read the book.
I'd go a step further. If you said there's no Big Mac on the table then I can't really ask you where. Nowhere. Prove it? There's no further proof beyond it not being there. It doesn't exist to manifest proof of its non-existence. It simply isn't there, you'd tell me, since you ate it for lunch, and I may tell you that it is. At which point all we have left is skepticism about our individual ability to see Big Macs which may or may not be there. This makes asking for proof of non-existence a strong argument for me to demonstrate that you can't prove that I don't see a Big Mac, but this is not an argument which is going to make anyone see a Big Mac that they didn't see before so it's a poor argument to use if you want to change the other guy's mind.
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"...if severe enough will change his mind."
I doubt that. Might not work on a strong individual.
Speaking of kids...
I certainly don't want to introduce a being to this insane dimension so to speak.
If someone wants to really do something he/she is likely to ignore all laws/rules.
The prisons are full of them minus the innocent.
A law/rule is no guarantee for specific behaviour.
That's what I basically wanted to say.
Well you could try to kill me but I doubt you will be successful.
I know there is a "power" but I refuse to give it attributes since it will be limiting to said "power".
English is not my native and I'm known to use too less words so communication might suffer.
Radical Plato is one of the most intelligent and wise here imho.
Opinions vary I guess.
I know you read my reply but it obviously it didn't sink in. I repeat:
You really believe that laws, rules, where there are consequences to violating really have no effect on behavior? Of course, no law or rule will ever completely eliminate a behavior but just because you can't eliminate all behavior it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to eliminate some or the majority of such behavior.
(Answer this question directly, no balonie around)
Let me ask you that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I personally witness what happens when the laws broke down and the police just left for two weeks during the LA riots.
Since English is your second language I will give you a past on the metaphysical stuff.
You are saying some outrageously foolish things regarding the effect of rules and laws. Do you stop at a red light and drive on the right side of the road (or whatever side your country has determine to be lawful?).
I've read RP's post for a long time now and he never struck me as uniquely stupid so perhaps I was a bit hasty, I was just absolutely stunned at his shocking ignorance regarding economics. It's not a manner of opinion about how wealth is created. I minored in Economics at UCLA and I wasn't discussing any advance topics. Just basic themes. I even asked my 12 year old niece if she knew how wealth is created and how government gets money and it's effect on the economy. But she's kind of the brainy type.
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Let me ask you that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I
I don't know.
I guess it depends on the location.
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What I'm taking away is that the inability to prove non-existence does not constitute proof of existence, but I haven't read the book.
I'd go a step further. If you said there's no Big Mac on the table then I can't really ask you where. Nowhere. Prove it? There's no further proof beyond it not being there. It doesn't exist to manifest proof of its non-existence. It simply isn't there, you'd tell me, since you ate it for lunch, and I may tell you that it is. At which point all we have left is skepticism about our individual ability to see Big Macs which may or may not be there. This makes asking for proof of non-existence a strong argument for me to demonstrate that you can't prove that I don't see a Big Mac, but this is not an argument which is going to make anyone see a Big Mac that they didn't see before so it's a poor argument to use if you want to change the other guy's mind.
Again, for the millionth time. No one can prove with concrete evidence that God does or does not exist. These are matters of faith.
These are matters of faith. These are matters of faith.
Faith is believing in something that you cannot, at present, prove. That may change in the future.
Conor McGregor said he will knock out Rafael inside of a minute in the first round. This a matter of faith. It's not a fact simply because it hasn't happened yet and you can't prove an event will happen until it, well, happens. The difference is that he will have a chance to prove his belief.
I think you are thinking to deeply about Bertrand Russell's comment regarding a teapot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupitor. Although no one can prove with absolute certainty and concrete evidence we, or at least most of us considering the type of people on this board, can agree it's a highly unlikely. As an Agnostic, and his perspective regarding such things, he consider a God just as likely.
Get it? It was a joke with truth in it for him. It is highly unlikely that there is a teapot in space. He considered the existence of God just as likely. Both he admitted he couldn't prove but the likelihood of either is so preposterous that for all practical purposes he lived his life as an atheist.
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The laws of the US dictates that I believe in Christianity?
You're not conflating rules, laws of behavior, with someone's personal metaphysics, are you?
And I'm selling Communism... wait a minute, why am I even arguing with you. Your previous post to this one just confirmed to me that you are probably one of the most uneducated person on this board. I just printed out your post and can't wait to show it to a good friend of mine who is an econ professor at the University of Hawaii. It will make for a good hearty laugh and then a moment of sad introspection at the quality of people our society is producing.
How old are you and how much education do you have? Now if you are embarrassed to answer this question I understand and will stop asking but man I've just got to know.
You really have no idea just how ignorant you are. Not a clue.
And the laws of your country dictate that you believe in other people's sovereignty. Your original statement was "So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe?"
And you lack a sense of humour don't you. The fact you thought my statement regarding you selling communism was serious is a true indication of your intellect. An inability to detect subtle humour is the sure sign of a poor intellect. Any smart individual would have picked up the joke, as it was obvious you were anti communist and illogically linking some death toll to communist activities when it is patently obvious capitalist systems have been equally if not more oppressive.
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Is it just me or does anyone else here get the sense that Pellius takes himself a little too seriously.
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Is it just me or does anyone else here get the sense that Pellius takes himself a little too seriously.
Only a little bit.
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Again, for the millionth time. No one can prove with concrete evidence that God does or does not exist. These are matters of faith.
These are matters of faith. These are matters of faith.
Faith is believing in something that you cannot, at present, prove. That may change in the future.
You are talking about blind faith. One can have faith in the reliability of one's vehicle for instance based on its track record, statistics and science. This type of faith is supported by evidence. Blind faith is what morons have when they don't know any better or have no better choice (like using their brains)
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Is it just me or does anyone else here get the sense that Pellius takes himself a little too seriously.
he is steadfast about beliefs that are subjective in nature. Not a good thing.
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he is steadfast about beliefs that are subjective in nature. Not a good thing.
I don't believe their is a god, but I don't give a fuck about it. I don't care if others believe as I do, I don't even know why people even care if their is a god or not. It can be fun to debate, but that's it, it's just fun. I have known god botherers who are enraged if others don't take their faith seriously, as if somehow you should take seriously the illogical arguments they have developed to support their faith. I don't get it, wouldn't a loving God want them to chill out a little bit and not get so worked up about it all.
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He thinks beating dogs is the key to obedience.
Can't wait until our Nibiruvian overlords abduct him and beat him into submission.
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He thinks beating dogs is the key to obedience.
Can't wait until our Nibiruvian overlords abduct him and beat him into submission.
Yeah that style of dog training is based on a bullshit study done on wolves decades ago. It was believed that in a wolf pack that a dominant wolf would emerge and become the alpha. The research was carried out using non related wolves in captivity, when in fact, wolves in the wild live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The "alphas" are simply what we would call in any other social group "parents."
Positive reinforcement is probably just as effective and definitely a more loving way to treat a dog. But the alpha model still resonates with the insecure and the weak who desperately seek an outlet for their need to dominate something weaker than themselves. That's not to say dogs don't display social dominance, it's just not so black and white. Dominant behavior and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual.
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Yeah that style of dog training is based on a bullshit study done on wolves decades ago. It was believed that in a wolf pack that a dominant wolf would emerge and become the alpha. The research was carried out using non related wolves in captivity, when in fact, wolves in the wild live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The "alphas" are simply what we would call in any other social group "parents."
Positive reinforcement is probably just as effective and definitely a more loving way to treat a dog. But the alpha model still resonates with the insecure and the weak who desperately seek an outlet for their need to dominate something weaker than themselves. That's not to say dogs don't display social dominance, it's just not so black and white. Dominant behavior and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual.
THANK YOU!
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Yeah that style of dog training is based on a bullshit study done on wolves decades ago. It was believed that in a wolf pack that a dominant wolf would emerge and become the alpha. The research was carried out using non related wolves in captivity, when in fact, wolves in the wild live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The "alphas" are simply what we would call in any other social group "parents."
Positive reinforcement is probably just as effective and definitely a more loving way to treat a dog. But the alpha model still resonates with the insecure and the weak who desperately seek an outlet for their need to dominate something weaker than themselves. That's not to say dogs don't display social dominance, it's just not so black and white. Dominant behavior and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual.
Exactly.
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I don't know.
I guess it depends on the location.
Jeeze, can't you just give a straight answer. Sure, in corrupt countries where the laws are not enforced and it's easier to get away with breaking them then, yes, laws have little meaning.
But you know that is not what we are discussing. When we talk about laws in a meaningful way we must assume that it is a law that is enforced. You're playing your silly, coy, girlie games again.
"I don't know." Jesus motherfucking Christ! What kind of weirdo are you?
It's just like if I say is it cold when it's snowing and hot when it's sunny you reply, "Well, that depends whether you are indoors or outdoors? Is the heater or a/c on or off?
And don't be so sure I wouldn't be successful in killing you if there were no laws. You wouldn't be my first.
Brother, just answer the fucking question?
Where are you from? Are you from France?
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And don't be so sure I wouldn't be successful in killing you if there were no laws. You wouldn't be my first.
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wtf...
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And the laws of your country dictate that you believe in other people's sovereignty. Your original statement was "So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe?"
And you lack a sense of humour don't you. The fact you thought my statement regarding you selling communism was serious is a true indication of your intellect. An inability to detect subtle humour is the sure sign of a poor intellect. Any smart individual would have picked up the joke, as it was obvious you were anti communist and illogically linking some death toll to communist activities when it is patently obvious capitalist systems have been equally if not more oppressive.
How old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
Why do you avoid this simple and straight forward question? Do you have something to hide? Is there something you are ashamed of?
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How old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
Why do you avoid this simple and straight forward question? Do you have something to hide? Is there something you are ashamed of?
I avoid it because it is simply irrelevant and none of your business. Your persistent need to ask offers insight into your level of maturity?
And most adults have something to hide or they are ashamed of. In my case my level of knowledge and wisdom isn't one of them.
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Is it just me or does anyone else here get the sense that Pellius takes himself a little too seriously.
I take this subject very seriously because it's a serious subject. Do you have a problem with that? Is everything just a big joke with you?
Seriously, how old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
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Jeeze, can just give a straight answer. Sure, in corrupt countries where the laws are not enforced and it's easier to get away with breaking them then, yes, laws have little meaning.
But you know that is not what we are discussing. When we talk about laws in a meaningful way we must assume that it is a law that is enforced. You're playing your silly, coy, girlie games again.
"I don't know." Jesus motherfucking Christ! What kind of weirdo are you?
It's just like if I say is it cold when it's snowing and hot when it's sunny you reply, "Well, that depends whether you are indoors or outdoors? Is the heater or a/c on or off?
And don't be so sure I wouldn't be successful in killing you if there were no laws. You wouldn't be my first.
Brother, just answer the fucking question?
Where are you from? Are you from France?
LOL.
What exactly is your problem?
I don't think that the absence of laws will increase your chances...
Anyway thanks for the conversation.
Bye.
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Is everything just a big joke with you?
Most things yes. Getbig especially.
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Oh brother ::)
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OP,
please rename thread to "Pellius meltdown thread"
Thanks
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OP,
please rename thread to "Pellius meltdown thread"
Thanks
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You are talking about blind faith. One can have faith in the reliability of one's vehicle for instance based on its track record, statistics and science. This type of faith is supported by evidence. Blind faith is what morons have when they don't know any better or have no better choice (like using their brains)
I am absolutely not talking about blind faith. I already spoke about how I went from a believer to an agnostic and then back to a believer. I didn't jump back and forth willy nilly but agonized over it for decades and still do. I already spoke on this very thread on what compelled to me hold the beliefs that I do. In fact, I spoke about it with you directly. Do you have a very short memory or are you just an idiot?
How old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
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I am absolutely not talking about blind faith. I already spoke about how I went from a believer to an agnostic and then back to a believer. I didn't jump back and forth willy nilly but agonized over it for decades and still do. I already spoke on this very thread on what compelled to me hold the beliefs that I do. In fact, I spoke about it with you directly. Do you have a very short memory or are you just an idiot?
How old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
I never pay attention to who posts what, that way I can concentrate on responding to the message and not the messenger. Occasionally a certain getbigger looms into my mind's eye through continued conflict, but you aren't one of them.
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he is steadfast about beliefs that are subjective in nature. Not a good thing.
Yes, standing for something in life and following a code of behavior is not a good thing. ::)
Welcome to generation nothingness. Believe in nothing. Stand for nothing. Do nothing.
No wonder we have a lot of lost, empty and aimless souls in our culture. More than ever before.
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Yes, standing for something in life and following a code of behavior is not a good thing. ::)
Welcome to generation nothingness. Believe in nothing. Stand for nothing. Do nothing.
No wonder we have a lot of lost, empty and aimless souls in our culture. More than ever before.
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OP,
please rename thread to "Pellius meltdown thread"
Thanks
Of all the things to argue about on the Internet, the existence of God is probably the dumbest. The argument invariably goes on well past its sell by date and nothing gets solved, as it can't.
As an aside, Edy's Caramel Delight is outstanding.
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Of all the things to argue about on the Internet, the existence of God is probably the dumbest. The argument invariably goes on well past its sell by date and nothing gets solved, as it can't.
As an aside, Edy's Caramel Delight is outstanding.
Nothing has to be solved, the debate is often for its own sake. It actually says a lot more about the participants.
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Of all the things to argue about on the Internet, the existence of God is probably the dumbest. The argument invariably goes on well past its sell by date and nothing gets solved, as it can't.
As an aside, Edy's Caramel Delight is outstanding.
Arguing such things can be fun, those who take it too serious are usually the dumbest. The whole point isn't to solve anything but to learn more about oneself.
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He thinks beating dogs is the key to obedience.
Can't wait until our Nibiruvian overlords abduct him and beat him into submission.
OK, now here we go. A smack on the snout has now gone to beating dogs.
When someone has an agenda truth is meaningless.
It's clearly written and documented my opinion of dogs and how I treat them. You just told a bald face verifiable lie.
You are a dishonest man.
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Of all the things to argue about on the Internet, the existence of God is probably the dumbest. The argument invariably goes on well past its sell by date and nothing gets solved, as it can't.
As an aside, Edy's Caramel Delight is outstanding.
Thanks, I was actually looking for some ice cream to pick up for this romantic weekend
Valentine's = gf allowing anal (fingers crossed) and ice cream ftw!
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Thanks, I was actually looking for some ice cream to pick up for this romantic weekend
Valentine's = gf allowing anal (fingers crossed) and ice cream ftw!
Ice cream for anal?
Well it has certain lubrication qualities...
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I avoid it because it is simply irrelevant and none of your business. Your persistent need to ask offers insight into your level of maturity?
And most adults have something to hide or they are ashamed of. In my case my level of knowledge and wisdom isn't one of them.
You may think it is irrelevant but I don't. Interesting and odd that you should think this is such private information. It's something you would have to disclose on any job application. Why so ashamed or embarrassed here?
And I never asked for your level of knowledge and wisdom. Why do you twist and reinterpret my words? Knowledge and wisdom is quite different from one's level of formal education.
You have already displaced your breathtaking lack of knowledge in regard to macro economics. This ignorance seems to spill over seamlessly into other areas as well.
Nothing to be embarrassed about, how old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
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When I scold my dog and smack it on the head it looks sad. It sulks away and lies in the corner and has a sad look on it's face.
OK, now here we go. A smack on the snout has now gone to beating dogs.
When someone has an agenda truth is meaningless.
It's clearly written and documented my opinion of dogs and how I treat them. You just told a bald face verifiable lie.
You are a dishonest man.
don't start that shit with me pedo.
I just go with what you posted.
a smack on the snout doesn't make a dog run and hide
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LOL.
What exactly is your problem?
I don't think that the absence of laws will increase your chances...
Anyway thanks for the conversation.
Bye.
That you can't give a straight answer. You make outrageous claims and when asked to clarify, defend and back up your beliefs you act coy and evasive and avoid answering the question. It's a very feminine thing to do. When I speak to man I expect direct straight no nonsense response and none of this equivocating game playing. Just act like a man for fuck's sake.
You never did answer my question as to where you are from. Is this also private and personal information that you are uncomfortable disclosing like RD? That it will somehow betray some trait or perception you are ashamed of?
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Most things yes. Getbig especially.
Then why are you engaging me?
Why are you ashamed to tell me how old you are and what level of formal education do you have? It's not a deep or serious topic. Or is this one of the few things that's very serious for you?
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I never pay attention to who posts what, that way I can concentrate on responding to the message and not the messenger. Occasionally a certain getbigger looms into my mind's eye through continued conflict, but you aren't one of them.
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Oh, I am very much in your head. I've been gone for several hours and you've been here all this time waiting for my response.
Why are you so hung up telling me how old you are and what level of formal education do you have? What's the big deal? Most everything is a joke with you, right?
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Arguing such things can be fun, those who take it too serious are usually the dumbest. The whole point isn't to solve anything but to learn more about oneself.
So you must be very smart since it's all a joke to you. It's serious people that are the dumb ones.
So why are you so ashamed to say how old you are and what level of formal education you have?
"what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority. So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.
Yup, real smart. And you really have no idea how idiotic this statement is.
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Oh, I am very much in your head. I've been gone for several hours and you've been here all this time waiting for my response.
Why are you so hung up telling me how old you are and what level of formal education do you have? What's the big deal? Most everything is a joke with you, right?
I am 13 years old and just started my formal high school education. Happy now.
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So you must be very smart since it's all a joke to you. It's serious people that are the dumb ones.
So why are you so ashamed to say how old you are and what level of formal education you have?
"what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority. So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.
Yup, real smart. And you really have no idea how idiotic this statement is.
Well, considering it is your statement initially, so in effect you are saying your own statement is idiotic. So only the poor can take from the elites and not the other way around. ::) OK got it.
Let me guess, you believe the ultra rich actually earned their wealth, and the poor are lazy and undeserving.
You are the epitome of a victim of Cultural hegemony
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don't start that shit with me pedo.
I just go with what you posted.
a smack on the snout doesn't make a dog run and hide
And now we go from a smack to a beating.
And a sad look and sulking in the corner becomes run and hide.
And of course it naturally follows that I have sex with prepubescent children.
Again, when you have an agenda truth doesn't matter.
You've now told three, bald face, verifiable lies. You even quote me and then restate it in a false and misleading manner. I don't even have to go back and repost what I actually said. You did it for me.
You are not an honest man and now you show you have no honor.
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You agree with this?
Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.
As Raymondo said, from the perspective of today's human condition religion is becoming increasingly more irrelevant to folks.
As a believer I don't function within the scope of the human condition he's referring to which is a fully Godless state steeped in sin.....the unrepentant human condition.
So I agree that today's average Joe exists in this condition in which the desire for God is slowly fading away and the deception of God's spiritual enemies has a firm hold.
Now, from a Christian worldview, that does not conform to the standards of this world, I recognize the absolute need for Jesus Christ......the repentant human condition.
Believers and unbelievers process virtually every aspect of the repentant human conditoin in reverse. What believers know as good they see as evil and vice versa.
For most unbelievers (and atheists in particular) there is simply no drawing upon their lives from God and hence they deem all things of God as nonsense. They have zero comprehension of the spiritual world around them and demand proof, but fail to realize (or acknowledge when told) that the ability to know the things of God and discern the things of God requires surrendering in humble, respectful faith to the will and purposes of God. He engages those that desire to know him, not those that dismiss or hate him.
The entire struggle between theism and atheism is a believer's effort to share the gospel and give reasons for the hope of God within them while for some unbelievers the effort is to justify and reason away every bit of the believer's position.
This atheistic suppression of the truth of God's reality (that everyone already understands within themselves as true) can't be overcome unless God first draws them out. Our efforts as believers are to help find these folks with a desire for Christ. The majority are so deep in personal suppression, deception by God's spiritual enemies and a clear desire to engage in sin (which equates to hatred of God) are slowly but surely sealing their eternal fate.
I long for them, but can't help them.
Most in this state would read the words of my post and meet it with "blah, blah, blah.....Christian rhetoric nonsense....blah, blah, blah". I pray their lives can be changed for God, but in the meantime they can continue to fills themselves to overflowing with every explicit desire they can imagine because their existence will abruptly change when they enter God's realm. As much as my heart breaks for them they will reap a divine, wrathful judgment (that they deserve) and will come to fully understand the folly of their life's pursuit forever.
I just pray I can be used by God to help intervene for these folks before their lives on earth come to an end.
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Self defense. Open and shut case. Thirty years ago.
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Self defense. Open and shut case. Thirty years ago.
Explains the lack of serenity
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I am 13 years old and just started my formal high school education. Happy now.
This is really a serious issue for you, isn't it? The existence of God, ethical monotheism, and what is life's transcendent meaning, if it even has one, is a big joke to you but your age and education is serious business.
What are you hiding?
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Explains the lack of serenity
Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
Slept like a baby.
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Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
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This is really a serious issue for you, isn't it? The existence of God, ethical monotheism, and what is life's transcendent meaning, if it even has one, is a big joke to you but your age and education is serious business.
What are you hiding?
The issue isn't a serious one for me, I don't see any point in getting my blood up regarding matters of creation. It is simply a fun exercise for me. My worldview has led me to become quite content with my feelings on the matter, so always find it odd when others get really worked about their take on spiritual matters.
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Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
Slept like a baby.
What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time. The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world. They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world. All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness. With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.
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Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
This point is always raised as though it's a negative. "People often turn to God as a last resort when they've hit rock bottom."
Exactly, Jesus Christ is the rock - our firm foundation. When folks hit rock bottom they crash right into the rock who's patiently waiting on them.
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What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time. The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world. They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world. All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness. With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.
He was talking about the time he killed someone.
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Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
Slept like a baby.
Didn't make the world a better place for that tuna. ;D
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As Raymondo said, from the perspective of today's human condition religion is becoming increasingly more irrelevant to folks.
As a believer I don't function within the scope of the human condition he's referring to which is a fully Godless state steeped in sin.....the unrepentant human condition.
So I agree that today's average Joe exists in this condition in which the desire for God is slowly fading away and the deception of God's spiritual enemies has a firm hold.
Now, from a Christian worldview, that does not conform to the standards of this world, I recognize the absolute need for Jesus Christ......the repentant human condition.
Believers and unbelievers process virtually every aspect of the repentant human conditoin in reverse. What believers know as good they see as evil and vice versa.
For most unbelievers (and atheists in particular) there is simply no drawing upon their lives from God and hence they deem all things of God as nonsense. They have zero comprehension of the spiritual world around them and demand proof, but fail to realize (or acknowledge when told) that the ability to know the things of God and discern the things of God requires surrendering in humble, respectful faith to the will and purposes of God. He engages those that desire to know him, not those that dismiss or hate him.
The entire struggle between theism and atheism is a believer's effort to share the gospel and give reasons for the hope of God within them while for some unbelievers the effort is to justify and reason away every bit of the believer's position.
This atheistic suppression of the truth of God's reality (that everyone already understands within themselves as true) can't be overcome unless God first draws them out. Our efforts as believers are to help find these folks with a desire for Christ. The majority are so deep in personal suppression, deception by God's spiritual enemies and a clear desire to engage in sin (which equates to hatred of God) are slowly but surely sealing their eternal fate.
I long for them, but can't help them.
Most in this state would read the words of my post and meet it with "blah, blah, blah.....Christian rhetoric nonsense....blah, blah, blah". I pray their lives can be changed for God, but in the meantime they can continue to fills themselves to overflowing with every explicit desire they can imagine because their existence will abruptly change when they enter God's realm. As much as my heart breaks for them they will reap a divine, wrathful judgment (that they deserve) and will come to fully understand the folly of their life's pursuit forever.
I just pray I can be used by God to help intervene for these folks before their lives on earth come to an end.
MOS, this is obviously a very deep and involved and, dare I say, serious subject. I have to go but I'm keeping this page up so I can do it justice. I just read the first paragraph when I realized that I don't want to just skim through it.
But reading the first paragraph let me respond for clarification.
Sure, people today consider religion or even having a value system higher than one's self. That you have to answer and account to something other than yourself (and as you know we can be VERY understanding and forgiving when it comes to our own personal failings and sins).
But that is why religion is more relevant than ever before. Because it has been tossed aside. Can anyone argue that as society has become more secular that people today compared with people fifty years ago are more civil, more honest, more decent, more modest, more considerate, have better manners, are less profane, have higher morals, less promiscuous..... the list goes on.
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He was talking about the time he killed someone.
You're right. I misread and thought he was referring to himself.
My point still holds though even if I misunderstood pellius' context.
Thanks for the clarification....haven't read the thread fully.
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MOS, this is obviously a very deep and involved and, are I say, serious subject. I have to go but I'm keeping this page up so I can do it justice. I just read the first paragraph when I realized that I don't want to just skim through it.
But reading the first paragraph let me respond for clarification.
Sure, people today consider religion or even having a value system higher than one's self. That you have to answer and account to something other than yourself (and as you know we can be VERY understanding and forgiving when it comes to our own personal failings and sins).
But that is why religion is more relevant than ever before. Because it has been tossed aside. Can anyone argue that as society has become more secular that people today compared with people fifty years ago are more civil, more honest, more decent, more modest, more considerate, have better manners, are less profane, have higher morals, less promiscuous..... the list goes on.
Yes, essentially what you've stated here is what I illustrated in my post.
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I agree on the joy of Carmel Delight but when I reach for Edy's, I go for their Fudge Brownie
Fudge brownie and anal are similar... ;D
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As a believer I don't function within the scope of the human condition he's referring to which is a fully Godless state steeped in sin.....the unrepentant human condition.
This is such an extraordinary statement I think it must have been copied from another context and crudely transposed here.
Unless your faith changed your body so it is now consisted of gamma rays, the human condition is as relevant to you as to anybody.
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You're right. I misread and thought he was referring to himself.
My point still holds though even if I misunderstood pellius' context.
Thanks for the clarification....haven't read the thread fully.
No worries MOS, this is getbig, no one reads a thread fully.
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No worries MOS, this is getbig, no one reads a thread fully.
LOL, truer words have never been posted here!
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What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time. The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world. They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world. All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness. With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.
I agree and it is so beautifully written that I am going to save it. Is this your words?
But in all fairness and full disclosure, I don't think I transformed this particular soul. Maybe I should have aimed lower so my chances of getting a last minute conversion would have been better. I never really thought about this until just now. In a small, but not insignificant way, you have just given me a new and better perspective.
You are a much better man than I am, MOS.
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This is such an extraordinary statement I think it must have been copied from another context and crudely transposed here.
Unless your faith changed your body so it is now consisted of gamma rays, the human condition is as relevant to you as to anybody.
Just my thoughts.
Per the norm, you're speaking from a worldly condition with a mix of the scientific and I'm referring to a spiritual condition.
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Just my thoughts.
Per the norm, you're speaking from a worldly condition with a mix of the scientific and I'm referring to a spiritual condition.
Honestly, I don't know if these are your thoughts, it appears the thinking has already been done for you, your job is only to repeat it. It seems you misunderstand the term "human condition". I've seen this happen a number of times now, you assign meaning to terms that have no relation to reality, a meaning twisted to fit highly fundamendalist religious purposes.
The sentence I quoted is pure nonsense, sorry.
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I agree and it is so beautifully written that I am going to save it. Is this your words?
But in all fairness and full disclosure, I don't think I transformed this particular soul. Maybe I should have aimed lower so my chances of getting a last minute conversion would have been better. I never really thought about this until just now. In a small, but not insignificant way, you have just given me a new and better perspective.
You are a much better man than I am, MOS.
They are my words and I mean them sincerely. I give all glory to God and take no credit for myself.
I believe every person on this site has a heart - a condition - that can be transformed into a state of righteousness through Jesus Christ.
I'm no better than anyone else. Just a wretch of man made new in Christ.
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Yeah that style of dog training is based on a bullshit study done on wolves decades ago. It was believed that in a wolf pack that a dominant wolf would emerge and become the alpha. The research was carried out using non related wolves in captivity, when in fact, wolves in the wild live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The "alphas" are simply what we would call in any other social group "parents."
Positive reinforcement is probably just as effective and definitely a more loving way to treat a dog. But the alpha model still resonates with the insecure and the weak who desperately seek an outlet for their need to dominate something weaker than themselves. That's not to say dogs don't display social dominance, it's just not so black and white. Dominant behavior and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual.
I've found my dog adapted well to different rules for different settings - no bs allowed at work, plenty of leeway in relaxed situations, and with voice and hand signals he seems to understand when the rules are being turned on. Kelpie/heeler mix tho, so mid sized, and always naturally friendly so I didn't see any need to squash his natural cheekiness 24/7. People with gigantic dogs should probably stick to the constant discipline model but I like being able to be his friend. I don't think the 'be the leader all the time' school of training gives dogs enough credit.
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Honestly, I don't know if these are your thoughts, it appears the thinking has already been done for you, your job is only to repeat it. It seems you misunderstand the term "human condition". I've seen this happen a number of times now, you assign meaning to terms that have no relation to reality, a meaning twisted to fit highly fundamendalist religious purposes.
The sentence I quoted is pure nonsense, sorry.
Again, my thoughts put into words.
Yes, I understand my words being deemed nonsense. I address that notion fully in my previous post.
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Again, my thoughts put into words.
Yes, I understand my words being deemed nonsense. I address that notion fully in my previous post.
Yes please feel free to repeat yourself as many times as you like.
Your interpretation of the term "human condition" is probably as ludicrous as the claim you made the other day that all your arguments stem from facts and evidence.
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Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?
Da Vinci, like I said, I considered you a intelligent and thoughtful person but it now seems to me that you are not as interested in the truth but in promoting your agenda.
I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.
I think you miss the point. Which is - these old/ill people create a huge industry for OTHER people to be able to have a job at, literally millions can survive out of that. Id we wouldn't spend money on their drugs, pharma would go out of bussiness, many people would lose jobs, nurses would loose jobs, health care professionals, a huge chain reaction. Just like in nature - someone took a shit, and someone ate it (flyes), for sme it's shit, for some it's gold. Idk how is that not related to survival. Have you seen how it is in India for ex, where noone pays for taking care of old/crippled? They just lie on the street and often die there. Just one of the examples.
Why do you avoid the simple question that do you believe that man and animals should have the same basic rights? And if not, why not if you consider humans and animals all the same? To claim that you have never thought of the rights of all living things and in the same breath claim that you have been contemplating the great issues of life for your entire life rings a bit hollow.
I believe that all livin organisms have the same rights by default. To kill, or to be killed. That's pretty much it. And the fact that animals and humans have different rights is simply due to the fact that we are stronger, we don't care much about other live beings, we are driven by our own interest in personal survival.
And I think it is unfortunate, but not surprising because of the secularization of our culture, that you believe that man is no different from an animal. That you are basically the same as a toad, a snake, a mongoose or a wild turkey.
I've thtought long and hard back in the day and couldn't find any serious differences. They are living exactly the same existence as we do, just brain capacity differs, so the same actions and results manifest in different ways, but they are still the same.
An animal acts purely on instinct. It takes what it wants if it can get away with it (steals), it mates with whomever it wants (rape), and attacks whomever it doesn't want around.
Just like a small kid who hasn't been indoctrinated "how to behave" yet, by a more intelligent human.
An animal has no moral sense. It doesn't think in terms of right or wrong. What surprises me is that so many agree with you. You have called everybody reading this thread that they are no better than animals. They either agree with you or too cowardly to speak up against such a grave insult. By calling someone an animal you rob them of their humanity -- their heart and their soul. When they look at themselves, their parents and all that they sacrificed, their children of whom they have given so much, when you consider the real heroes in this world that have sacrifice their lives for the benefit of others -- when they look at all this all they see are fellow animals that somehow developed a modesty that demands that they wear clothes. Just animals really no different from a hyena, a crocodile, a trigger fish, or a timber wolf.
No need to look far, take radical muslims, they are pretty much apes with clothes on. We are a little bit more intelligent and don't kill as openly as they does. BTW - I don't think being an animal is bad or something, I have no idea why is that negative. I just accept it like it is. Humans - sophisticated animals. Survival machines, just like any other, just more effective ones.
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Yes please feel free to repeat yourself as many times as you like.
Your interpretation of the term "human condition" is probably as ludicrous as the claim you made the other day that all your arguments stem from facts and evidence.
Of course you feel this way. There's no surprises here. Two worldviews diametrically opposed....."God lovers" and "God haters". I know the old cliches "can't hate something that doesn't exist" and "we don't hate God we just don't believe in God". Problem is if you willfully engage in sin you hate God whether you make every attempt to suppress him or not.
Trust me, I find most atheist's words to be equally full of nonsense and illogic. I just don't offer that sentiment up as freely and often as you do because most often it doesn't serve a good purpose to do so. It's shocking for so many, but I can actually dialogue with someone I don't agree with and never insult them or pepper my replies with little potshots. And if you go on casually insulting me (which I doubt you'll admit to) our conversation will abruptly end. I won't tolerate it anymore by anyone. You can disagree with me completely and not insult me....it is possible.
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Of course you feel this way. There's no surprises here. Two worldviews diametrically opposed....."God lovers" and "God haters". I know the old cliches "can't hate something that doesn't exist" and "we don't hate God we just don't believe in God". Problem is if you willfully engage in sin you hate God whether you make every attempt to suppress him or not.
Trust me, I find most atheist's words to be equally full of nonsense and illogic. I just don't offer that sentiment up as freely and often as you do because most often it doesn't serve a good purpose to do so. It's shocking for so many, but I can actually dialogue with someone I don't agree with and never insult them or pepper my replies with little potshots.
Nice non-sequitur, but I did not offer any worldview nor any personal attacks.
My assertion is that fundamendalism twists the meaning of words for its own purposes and the evidence is in your writing, as your use of words indicates a special meaning other than the one commonly understood. It is not difficult to imagine where that meaning comes from.
**edit to your edit**
If you feel slighted by some imaginary insult, just go. Noone's keeping you here. I gave you a definition of personal attack in a previous thread, you obviously did not bother with it.
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Nice non-sequitur, but I did not offer any worldview nor any personal attacks.
My assertion is that fundamendalism twists the meaning of words for its own purposes and the evidence is in your writing, as your use of words indicates a special meaning other than the one commonly understood. It is not difficult to imagine where that meaning comes from.
**edit to your edit**
If you feel slighted by some imaginary insult, just go. Nothing's keeping you here. I gave you a definition of personal attack in a previous thread, you obviously did not bother with it.
Isaiah 5:20
20 What sorrow for those who say
that evil is good and good is evil,
that dark is light and light is dark,
that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.
Yes, we're done because you're incapable of dialogue without insult. You can define your behavior from sunup to sundown and you're still insulting.
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Yes, we're done because you're incapable of dialogue without insult. You can define your behavior from sunup to sundown and you're still insulting.
I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.
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I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! "an excuse to avoid debate".....I have thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of posts defending my faith in debate.
I'm just reached my threshold of tolerance for folks that can't engage without insulting....been doing this for years before you ever jumped in the mix.
Folks simply can't help themselves with insults and those that insult jump right on the bandwagon:
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We appear to have gotten a little sidetracked.
^^
Never fails to get me up and going with a smile.
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We appear to have gotten a little sidetracked.
^^
Never fails to get me up and going with a smile.
LOVE THE TITLE CHANGE! 8)
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LOVE THE TITLE CHANGE! 8)
Yeah.
Thanks.
;D
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I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.
He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).
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He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).
I don't read your posts either. No offence.
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He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).
If you really believe this I'm perfectly fine with that.
As I noted previously I don't engage with you because you're beyond being reasoned with.
I simply recognized that quality early on and I was absolutely correct in my assessment.
I did read your posts early on and have already answered every single objection you've put forth in the recent past. Given that I directed you to my post history.
Again, if you feel better thinking "MOS won't debate me because he knows he can't win".......LOL.....that's fine.
I don't share my faith here to "win a debate".....that holds no value for me whatsoever. I bring glory to Jesus Christ and take nothing for myself.
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If you really believe this I'm perfectly fine with that.
As I noted previously I don't engage with you because you're beyond being reasoned with.
I simply recognized that quality early on and I was absolutely correct in my assessment.
I did read your posts early on and have already answered every single objection you've put forth in the recent past. Given that I directed you to my post history.
Again, if you feel better thinking "MOS won't debate me because he knows he can't win".......LOL.....that's fine.
I don't share my faith here to "win a debate".....that holds no value for me whatsoever. I bring glory to Jesus Christ and take nothing for myself.
I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"
This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.
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I don't read your posts either. No offence.
U just did. Owned,
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I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"
This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.
His intelligence is too low to grasp this,
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I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"
This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.
I'd actually be interested in seeing that post again and the surrounding context.
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His intelligence is too low to grasp this,
I don't claim to be super smart....I'm not. There are plenty of things said in some of these threads that go over my head.
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This point is always raised as though it's a negative. "People often turn to God as a last resort when they've hit rock bottom."
Exactly, Jesus Christ is the rock - our firm foundation. When folks hit rock bottom they crash right into the rock who's patiently waiting on them.
Interesting metaphor, but it's only a metaphor. It sounds clever but it really isn't.
Unless people have been raised within a religious tradition, they will not seek the help of an imaginary being unless everything else has been tried and failed. The fact that said imaginary being is not their first choice means it does not rate highly enough for them to choose it.
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Interesting metaphor, but it's only a metaphor. It sounds clever but it really isn't.
Unless people have been raised within a religious tradition, they will not seek the help of an imaginary being unless everything else has been tried and failed. The fact that said imaginary being is not their first choice means it does not rate highly enough for them to choose it.
You may not know this, but just because you say something is ridiculous or ludicrous or nonsense doesn't make it so.
Have witnessed and read about dozens and dozens of examples that contradict that.
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Have witnessed and read about dozens and dozens of examples that contradict that.
You have no real evidence that a supernatural being magically transform them just as you have no evidence that said being exists at all.
Submitting, on the other hand, to an authoritarian tradition that goes back 2,000 years can definitely change your life. For better or worse. Any such tradition would do that. There are plenty in the world, all just as valid as each other.
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You have no real evidence that a supernatural being magically transform them just as you have no evidence that said being exists at all.
Submitting, on the other hand, to an authoritarian tradition that goes back 2,000 years can definitely change your life. For better or worse. Any such tradition would do that. There are plenty in the world, all just as valid as each other.
There's plenty of real evidence.....you just reject it....that simple. Lives instantly and radically changed upon public profession of faith in Christ is powerful to witness. I share that experience with you. I fear you'll simply reason that away with some form of "anecdotal evidence is meaningless".
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There's plenty of real evidence.....you just reject it....that simple. Lives instantly and radically changed upon public profession of faith in Christ is powerful to witness. I share that experience with you. I fear you'll simply reason that away with some form of "anecdotal evidence is meaningless".
There is a simpler mechanism at play. It's called suggestion. Humans are highly susceptible to it. That's all it is. A plausible explanation which leaves no need for a supernatural one.
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There is a simpler mechanism at play. It's called suggestion. Humans are highly susceptible to it. That's all it is. A plausible explanation which leaves no need for a supernatural one.
What is the more plausible explanation you're offering?
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It's called suggestion.
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You're just stating that all I'm doing is suggesting an event?
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You're just stating that all I'm doing is suggesting at event?
No... suggestion is a psychological process. It is how people accept something (anything) in the absence of verifiable evidence.
Here (http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/21450-power-of-suggestion-why-religious-faith-exists/) is a link I just found that you can read.
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No... suggestion is a psychological process. It is how people accept something (anything) in the absence of verifiable evidence.
Here (http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/21450-power-of-suggestion-why-religious-faith-exists/) is a link I just found that you can read.
Ok so you're saying that "the supernatural work of God" in these folks is the suggestion, correct?
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Ok so you're saying that "the supernatural work of God" in these folks is the suggestion, correct?
Yes. The degree to which people change their lives through religion is a result of suggestion and community-based support. Nothing supernatural.
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Yes. The degree to which people change their lives through religion is a result of suggestion and community-based support. Nothing supernatural.
I read the article by the way.
It's a great little article. Only thing it doesn't consider is all evidence available for God...it just casually reasons it away on the grounds of opinion...that means nothing in terms of truth. I've read and been confronted with this type of stuff before.
It's grossly inaccurate and subjectively based.
I've had personal, physical encounters with the Holy Spirit, angels and demons. I've known others that have heard the audible voice of God (my father has). I've known others that have encountered both angels and demons (both physical manifestations and the overwhelming, tangible presence of Jesus Christ and demonic forces).
You won't believe a word of this. You'll say prove it. I am the proof....my life changed is proof. You'll dismiss that as insufficient and nothing.
Requiring evidence of the supernatural to be validated under strict scientific terms that apply to the natural is a category mistake.
Simply classifying it as "suggestion" doesn't add anything but subjectivity. There's nothing factual in that. There's nothing universal in that.
When validating God's existence and who he is you do so according to his terms as outlined in his inspired scripture, you listen to testimonies of believers, you seek the Lord in prayer.
We have historical proof of Jesus' life and ministry, archeological proof of biblical people and places, manuscript proof of biblical reliability via the field of textual criticism, multiple independent attestations that agree closely on the facts of Jesus Christ's life/death/resurrection, proof via logic (God as source of logic, TAG argument, Kalam Cosmological argument), extra-biblical accounts that validate the historicity of Jesus Christ's ministry/death/resurrection, the ministry and death of Jesus' apostles after his ascension, the fulfillment of biblical prophecy spanning hundreds of years between initial prophecy and fulfillment, the intelligent design of the universe, the utter improbability of the intricate structure of the universe without a designer and the testimonial evidence of millions and millions of Christ's followers today. This isn't an exhaustive list either.
The problem with evidence is that our presuppositions and subjectivity often determine our judgment of evidence even prior to reviewing said evidence (that is if it's ever reviewed).
If you enter the Christian worldview then you're addressing the divine, sovereign creator of all and he's not required by or subject to any demands. In order to understand him we must be willing to submit to his terms and forgo our own.
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I'd actually be interested in seeing that post again and the surrounding context.
Nah, it doesn't matter. I really only wanted to respond to your one post.
Its quite clear that youre a big baby and ignore people when your feelings get hurt, especially on a place like getbig. You should already know the context--its getbig. We all take the piss here.
We can go back to ignoring each other. :D :D :D
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You say ascribing the effect of religion to suggestion is lazy. I will respond to that. But first consider your reactions earlier in the thread and how worked up you got when you thought you were being insulted. Someone else may consider what you just wrote an insult... it is not. You need to understand what a personal attack is and what it is not, as you seem to employ the term when it suits you.
What I find lazy is the abject willingness to accept supernatural explanations over natural ones.
Your dad heard someone's voice, so it must have come from God? Actually, between 5% and 28% of the general population (https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/h/hearing-voices) report hearing voices at some point or another. Mental illness is a cause of auditory hallucinations although obviously up to 28% of the population of a country cannot be suffering from psychosis. Another cause of auditory hallucinations is the subject's own voice. Sleep disorders, traumatic events, significant emotional experiences, they can all cause a person to hear voices. But according to you it was the voice of God. You actually present this as evidence of the existence of God. This is the height of absurdity. At the very least, you should be looking to discredit all natural explanations first, but even then it would not be good enough because in your culture people talk all the time about such hallucinations. So even after natural explanations are discounted, there would still be an element of suggestion. If millions and millions of people say you will hear a voice, inevitably at some point you may hear it. Did you know that in Haiti people report seeing visions of their dead relatives after the funeral? Psychology considers this a cultural construct, and this is what happened to your dad.
What is even more disturbing is how believers (especially the fundamendalist branch which you represent, as in my country there are far more reasonable believers that don't hear voices) carry this pattern into almost every other area of their lives. Hence, evolution is cast aside and something as silly as intelligent design is cooked up. If people are so steadfast in their beliefs, why try to beat science on its own game with something like intelligent design? If you believe in God, why tell me that your father heard his voice as evidence of his existence? Could it be you harbor some subtle doubts of your own?
I'm afraid your life is not evidence of anything supernatural. You found some meaning and gave up a lot more to get there, as there is a ton of things a believer cannot do in their daily lives, not to mention how crippled they must be from constant theological anxieties. How absurd these choices must be to reasonable person.
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religion is a joke
its the best pitch in the world
everytime you fuck up and kill innocent kids its free will
everything good that happens is down to god
cu nt s
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You say ascribing the effect of religion to suggestion is lazy. I will respond to that. But first consider your reactions earlier on the thread and how worked up you got when you thought you were being insulted. Someone else may consider what you just wrote an insult... it is not. You need to understand what a personal attack is and what it is not, as you seem to employ the term when it suits you.
What I find lazy is the abject willingness to accept supernatural explanations over natural ones.
Your dad heard someone's voice, so it must have come from God? Actually, between 5% and 28% of the general population (https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/h/hearing-voices) report hearing voices at some point or another. Mental illness is a cause of auditory hallucinations although obviously up to 28% of the population of a country cannot be suffering from psychosis. Another cause of auditory hallucinations is the subject's own voice. Sleep disorders, traumatic events, significant emotional experiences, they can all cause a person to hear voices. But according to you it was the voice of God. You actually present this as evidence of the existence of God. This is the height of absurdity. At the very least, you should be looking to discredit all natural explanations first, but even then it would not be good enough because in your culture people talk all the time about such hallucinations. So even after natural explanations are discounted, there would still be an element of suggestion. If millions and millions of people say you will hear a voice, inevitably at some point you may hear it. Did you know that in Haiti people report seeing visions of their dead relatives after the funeral? Psychology considers this a cultural construct, and this is what happened to your dad.
What is even more disturbing is how believers (especially the fundamendalist branch which you represent, as in my country there are far more reasonable believers that don't hear voices) carry this pattern into almost every other area of their lives. Hence, evolution is cast aside and something as silly as intelligent design is cooked up. If people are so steadfast in their beliefs, why try to beat science on its own game with something like intelligent design? If you believe in God, why tell me that your father heard his voice as evidence of his existence? Could it be you harbor some subtle doubts of your own?
I'm afraid your life is not evidence of anything supernatural. You found some meaning and gave up a lot more to get there, as there is a ton of things a believer cannot do in their daily lives, not to mention how crippled they must be from constant theological anxieties. How absurd these choices must be to reasonable person.
You didn't write the article and I didn't call you lazy....I didn't insult you.
You have zero context on anything I've noted, but you've already dismissed everything.
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You didn't write the article and I didn't call you lazy....I didn't insult you.
Neither did I, but that didn't prevent you from melting down.
You have zero context on anything I've noted, but you've already dismissed everything.
I go by what I am given.
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Neither did I, but that didn't prevent you from melting down.
I go by what I am given.
You just insulted me here with the meltdown comment.
You also insulted me in the following even if only subtly:
Honestly, I don't know if these are your thoughts, it appears the thinking has already been done for you, your job is only to repeat it. It seems you misunderstand the term "human condition". I've seen this happen a number of times now, you assign meaning to terms that have no relation to reality, a meaning twisted to fit highly fundamendalist religious purposes.
The sentence I quoted is pure nonsense, sorry.
Yes please feel free to repeat yourself as many times as you like.
Your interpretation of the term "human condition" is probably as ludicrous as the claim you made the other day that all your arguments stem from facts and evidence.
Suggesting I can't think for myself, that I parrot words, that my statements are ludicrous, that I can't possibly deal in facts and evidence.
SF just think this all fun and games and I should just be "whatever" with it all....that's also an admission of being insulting.
This is my life....my life is my faith in Jesus Christ. This is the essence of my entire life and existence. I take it seriously even if others do not.
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Sorry, I think you really need help.
"Your argument is ludicrous" is not a personal attack.
"Your argument is ludicrous because you are retarded" is a personal attack.
"What you just said is nonsense" is not a personal attack.
"You are a silly person and therefore what you say is nonsense" is a personal attack.
"Your thinking has been done for you" is not a personal attack, although I admit it veers close to one.
"You are fucking stupid and cannot think for yourself" is a personal attack.
If you conflate your life with your faith, then every time someone challenges the basic tenets of your faith you will be filled with existential horror. I'm sorry, but how you interpret your life is your responsibility. Your beliefs are not immune from criticism. What should we do, shut up every time we see fundamendalist bullshit posted here, so we won't hurt your feelings?
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religion is a joke
its the best pitch in the world
everytime you fuck up and kill innocent kids its free will
everything good that happens is down to god
cu nt s
So if people don't choose to kill the kids then how does it happen?
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Sorry, I think you really need help.
"Your argument is ludicrous" is not a personal attack.
"Your argument is ludicrous because you are retarded" is a personal attack.
"What you just said is nonsense" is not a personal attack.
"You are a silly person and therefore what you say is nonsense" is a personal attack.
"Your thinking has been done for you" is not a personal attack, although I admit it veers close to one.
"You are fucking stupid and cannot think for yourself" is a personal attack.
If you conflate your life with your faith, then every time someone challenges the basic tenets of your faith you will be filled with existential horror. I'm sorry, but how you interpret your life is your responsibility. Your beliefs are not immune from criticism. What should we do, shut up every time we see fundamendalist bullshit posted here, so we won't hurt your feelings?
So you've taken the statements and made them harsher.
Now go the other way with them. Make them less harsh.
Would you speak to your boss or boss' boss about their ideas at work using the same language as the original statements you're defending as not insulting? You disagree with them about something. Would you tell them they are ludicrous, nonsensical, etc...?
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So you've taken the statements and made them harsher.
Now go the other way with them. Make them less harsh.
What the hell are you talking about, these are my statements as quoted in my original posts. The ones you were sooooooo offended by.
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No I wouldn't but then again you're not my boss.
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What the hell are you talking about, these are my statements as quoted in my original posts. The ones you were sooooooo offended by.
Take your original statements that you made even harsher and instead make them less harsh.....go the other way.
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What the hell are you talking about, these are my statements as quoted in my original posts. The ones you were sooooooo offended by.
**edit to your edit**
No I wouldn't but then again you're not my boss.
Why wouldn't you speak in the same way? They aren't insults right?
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Take your original statements that you made even harsher and instead make them less harsh.....go the other way.
I didn't change my statements one bit dude. I did a juxtaposition of what I originally wrote (which is not a personal insult) versus what actually constitutes one.
There is a reading comprehension issue here.
Why wouldn't you speak in the same way? They aren't insults right?
Because they are in a position of authority over me and if they take offence they can abuse it. You are right, they are not insults, I've spoken to colleagues in this way before.
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You just insulted me here with the meltdown comment.
You also insulted me in the following even if only subtly:
Suggesting I can't think for myself, that I parrot words, that my statements are ludicrous, that I can't possibly deal in facts and evidence.
SF just think this all fun and games and I should just be "whatever" with it all....that's also an admission of being insulting.
This is my life....my life is my faith in Jesus Christ. This is the essence of my entire life and existence. I take it seriously even if others do not.
Actually, dingus, the reason you stopped talking to me had absolutely nothing to do with me saying anything about your faith. People were talking about how crazy women are, you mentioned your wife, and I made a joke that she sounded crazy. You then became a baby and said, "You and I are done." lol.
I mean, not that I care that you stopped responding to me. I think I will live to see another day. But I just wanted to clarify that it had NOTHING to do with your faith. I know how you like to say that you feel persecuted by atheists, so I just wanted you to know that it had nothing to do with that.
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I didn't change my statements one bit dude. I did a juxtaposition of what I originally wrote (which is not a personal insult) versus what actually constitutes one.
There is a reading comprehension issue here.
Because they are in a position of authority over me and if they take offence they can abuse it. You are right, they are not insults, I've spoken to colleagues in this way before.
I'll try to explain more clearly in what I'm asking for.
Take the following statements from above (the "non insults") and attempt to write them in an even less harsh manner:
"Your argument is ludicrous."
"What you just said is nonsense."
"Your thinking has been done for you."
Because they are in a position of authority over me and if they take offence they can abuse it. You are right, they are not insults, I've spoken to colleagues in this way before.
Again, the statements aren't insults so there wouldn't be a threat by a superior yet you wouldn't speak to them in that way. I find this odd.
Wouldn't it be preferable to speak to everyone above, lateral and below you with equal amounts of respect?
What we have here is a clear double standard. You'd tell me I'm ludicrous or nonsensical because there's no penalty, but you wouldn't a superior because they could get offended and penalize you.
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Sorry, I don't really care what you're asking for. At worst my manner might have been rude... at worst. But no personal attacks took place, you just don't know what a personal attack is. I've explained it repeatedly, it just doesn't sink in. Oh well.
Back on point: Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
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Sorry, I don't really care what you're asking for. At worst my manner might have been rude... at worst. But no personal attacks took place, you just don't know what a personal attack is. I've explained it repeatedly, it just doesn't sink in. Oh well.
Back on point: Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
You need some Williams Brothers in your life
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Sorry, I don't really care what you're asking for. At worst my manner might have been rude... at worst. But no personal attacks took place, you just don't know what a personal attack is. I've explained it repeatedly, it just doesn't sink in. Oh well.
Back on point: Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
Well to be clear I actually use the words "insults" and "potshots" the majority of the time. Not that I haven't used the term "personal attack" before, but that isn't the issue I'm having. Personal attacks are certainly more aggressive and if I posted that recently I did so inappropriately.
I have been personally attacked on these boards before. I've been threatened. My wife and daughter were threatened to be raped because my faith wasn't approved of.
You certainly aren't doing that. No one is currently doing that kind of stuff thank goodness.
After years and years of discussions and being charitable in my demeanor the constant insults, potshots and digs in every other post from folks and sometimes every single post has worn me out and I won't tolerate it anymore. I can't tell the number of folks that have contacted me privately and/or publically telling me to stop taking the abuse. Now, I won't retaliate, but I won't take it anymore (sounds like a Twisted Sister lyric).
I have a list of apologists and street preachers that have drawn a line in the sand as well on this issue. We except some ridicule and mockery because that is expected no matter what....we're gonna get it. There's an end to that level of tolerance though. Some have decades of experience with this stuff and are either so completely immune and or simply won't tolerate a word of it. I'm immune to the jabs themselves....that stuff is meaningless to me. But yet I won't tolerate it in the discussion anymore...people are gonna have to earn the discussion and all they gotta do is act right. I'm gonna give folks a warning (maybe two) and then they're done for the day. If they come another time and are acting right then we're good.
See, I'm not a punching bag meant for people's amusement; still, I often wonder "would these same folks say this stuff to my face?" Don't know. I've seen plenty of bold folks in person.
SF is an exception because his methods are unfortunately relentless and kind of "stalker-ish" (forgive me for lack of a better word).
I really tried with him and I was approached by at least 6-7 people privately warning me to abandon ship with him over a period of a year. I persisted for a time, but had a enough one day. He crossed a line with comments about my family and I just had enough. Were his comments horrific? No. I had just had enough and that did it for me. His little insults added up to a mountain of insults....enough was enough.
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I think you miss the point. Which is - these old/ill people create a huge industry for OTHER people to be able to have a job at, literally millions can survive out of that. Id we wouldn't spend money on their drugs, pharma would go out of bussiness, many people would lose jobs, nurses would loose jobs, health care professionals, a huge chain reaction. Just like in nature - someone took a shit, and someone ate it (flyes), for sme it's shit, for some it's gold. Idk how is that not related to survival. Have you seen how it is in India for ex, where noone pays for taking care of old/crippled? They just lie on the street and often die there. Just one of the examples.
Da Vinci, I didn't miss the point because that wasn't the point. I am the one who brought up the example of caring for the elderly. And the difference between you and me is that I concede, YOUR POINT, that some people profit, and therefore enhance their survival, caring for the elderly. I've conceded it over and over again. I conceded it in the very post you quoted. And what is your response? "You miss the point." And just repeat your point that I already have conceded over and over again.
And people wonder why I get frustrated. You make a point. I agree. You respond, "You miss the point."
Now, how do you respond to my point that even though some do profit caring for the elderly it is still a net lost to society? It costs us money to care for people who are no longer productive. What is your response? You just ignore it. I asked you a direct question: Is it a NET loss or a NET profit to society to care for the elderly, to care for those who are no longer productive? You will not address the issue because it does not comport with your belief system. You just reply that essentially some do profit and make their living. That is not an answer. And then you claim that I am missing the point. You give the example of India, as if you are saying that because we can't take care and save everybody that negates the people that we do save.
What's more important, the truth or what you want to believe?
I'll asked you again, a simple and direct question, and answer it directly like a man, do not answer by telling me that SOME profit, not everybody is saved, or I miss the point. Just answer the question directly like I answered yours.
Is it a NET PROFIT to society when we expend limited resources to care for the elderly, care for people who can no longer care for themselves, care for people who are no longer productive?
Be the honest man you claim to be, the honest man that you think you are, and just answer the question. It's a yes or no question. Just answer it directly and dispense with the obfuscation.
I believe that all livin organisms have the same rights by default. To kill, or to be killed. That's pretty much it. And the fact that animals and humans have different rights is simply due to the fact that we are stronger, we don't care much about other live beings, we are driven by our own interest in personal survival.
What kind of answer is that? "The right to be killed?" Being killed is a deprivation of your rights. Might as well say you have the right to get your ass kicked, you have the right to have your house burned down.
Either you don't understand what rights are and therefore can't possibly understand my question. Or you are lying.
I know you think you are a genuine person. I know you think you are well thought out? I know you think you question yourself and are willing to admit that you are wrong.
Are you wrong about your concept of rights or are you lying?
I've thtought long and hard back in the day and couldn't find any serious differences. They are living exactly the same existence as we do, just brain capacity differs, so the same actions and results manifest in different ways, but they are still the same.
Because someone thinks long and hard about a subject and couldn't find what they are looking for doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some of the greatest minds that have ever existed have searched long and hard the origins of cosmic rays and particle accelerators all to no avail. It doesn't mean it's not there.
To say that animals are "living exactly the same existence as we do",
that I am living the "exact" same existence as a racoon or a toad is so preposterous. It's amazing that I am the only one on this thread that disagrees with you. But truth is not determined by a democratic process.
This is what G.K. Chesterton meant when he said, "When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything."
Just like a small kid who hasn't been indoctrinated "how to behave" yet, by a more intelligent human.
Nobody thinks they've been indoctrinated. Your beliefs come from you being educated, the rest of us, or maybe just me since I'm the only one to disagree with you, have been indoctrinated.
So since you have never come across by "yet" a more intelligent human, that would imply, and explain, that you are the most intelligent person you've ever come across in your life time.
No need to look far, take radical muslims, they are pretty much apes with clothes on. We are a little bit more intelligent and don't kill as openly as they does. BTW - I don't think being an animal is bad or something, I have no idea why is that negative. I just accept it like it is. Humans - sophisticated animals. Survival machines, just like any other, just more effective ones.
You commit the common logical fallacy of Illicit Conversion, e.g., Some P are Q, therefore all P are Q.
Some humans act like animals therefore all humans are animals.
When you equate humans and animals you don't elevate the status of animal but rather diminish what it is to be human. It cheapens human life. I've given you concrete example where humans act in ways that do not enhance their survival but do things out of non animal qualities such as empathy and compassion but those are just ignored or rationalize ("we save OUR soldiers" as if that is a coherent rebuttal. Saving a soldier and saving the elderly from disease is on the same moral sphere, as well as saving a wounded enemy which we also do. None of this enhances our survival).
I repeat a very important difference between man and animals, a difference you will continue to ignore because it does not comport with your world view and therefore means that you are more concerned with feeling good about yourself, that you know everything, that you have never met anybody more intelligent than yourself than what is the truth. And that is:
Animals do not have a moral sense. They do not think in terms of right and wrong. Their behavior is based purely on instinct. Even Jeffrey Dahmer knew he was doing wrong. He even said what he was doing was evil. Knowing right from wrong doesn't guarantee that you will always do right but, contrary to your all or nothing logic, it doesn't mean you will never do right.
Before you can do right or wrong you have to know and be aware of what is right and wrong. Animals cannot do anything morally right and wrong. Humans can. And everybody, recognizes it. Even you. (At least I think you do, I don't know anymore. Do you believe that humans can commit acts that are deemed right or deemed wrong?)
But the tide is on your side. As we continue to diminish and cheapen human life we are seeing the results of it today. We, as a people, are getting worse and worse. So you and your ideas are winning as proven here right now. I am the only one to question, challenge and disagree with you.
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I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"
This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.
Now that would be the definition of blind faith.
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I'd actually be interested in seeing that post again and the surrounding context.
So would I. It doesn't sound like MOS.
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Interesting metaphor, but it's only a metaphor. It sounds clever but it really isn't.
Unless people have been raised within a religious tradition, they will not seek the help of an imaginary being unless everything else has been tried and failed. The fact that said imaginary being is not their first choice means it does not rate highly enough for them to choose it.
Humans have always believed in imaginary beings of one form of another. I don't know how you know it's never been anyone's first choice.
I can imagine that it first started when something happened in the real world that couldn't be explain with the reason and intelligence level at the time.
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You have no real evidence that a supernatural being magically transform them just as you have no evidence that said being exists at all.
Submitting, on the other hand, to an authoritarian tradition that goes back 2,000 years can definitely change your life. For better or worse. Any such tradition would do that. There are plenty in the world, all just as valid as each other.
It really doesn't matter. A belief system is only as good as how it directs a person's behavior. Because the truth or falsity can never be proven it's almost a secondary issue to how it makes people behave.
There are just countless and countless examples of people: drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals that have reformed because they have, or believe they have, found God. They've done so when everything else has failed.
What's wrong with that? It doesn't prove the veracity of any belief system but it does prove the efficacy and virtue of the belief system.
And for da vinci: yes, it hasn't converted or helped all -- nothing does -- but that doesn't negate those that it has helped. Always better to help some than none.
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Actually, dingus, the reason you stopped talking to me had absolutely nothing to do with me saying anything about your faith. People were talking about how crazy women are, you mentioned your wife, and I made a joke that she sounded crazy. You then became a baby and said, "You and I are done." lol.
I mean, not that I care that you stopped responding to me. I think I will live to see another day. But I just wanted to clarify that it had NOTHING to do with your faith. I know how you like to say that you feel persecuted by atheists, so I just wanted you to know that it had nothing to do with that.
Oh, so you insulted the "dingus'" wife but not his faith.
He obviously over reacted. ::)
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Sorry, I don't really care what you're asking for. At worst my manner might have been rude... at worst. But no personal attacks took place, you just don't know what a personal attack is. I've explained it repeatedly, it just doesn't sink in. Oh well.
Back on point: Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.
There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.
While it's true that you have not personally attacked MOS in this thread in the way SF and da vinci has, the hostility and condescending tone in your posts are palatable. And that is disrespectful and therefore insulting on it's on merits.
MOS is always unreasonably respectful
If given a choice, whom would you rather have as a neighbor? MOS and his family? Or another family you know absolutely nothing about?
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While it's true that you have not personally attacked MOS in this thread in the way SF and da vinci has, the hostility and condescending tone in your posts are palatable. And that is disrespectful and therefore insulting on it's on merits.
MOS is always unreasonably respectful
If given a choice, whom would you rather have as a neighbor? MOS and his family? Or another family you know absolutely nothing about?
I'll take number two thanks Larry.
And was just checking back in to this thread to see if Pellius was still melting down hard. Suspicion confirmed.
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While it's true that you have not personally attacked MOS in this thread in the way SF and da vinci has, the hostility and condescending tone in your posts are palatable. And that is disrespectful and therefore insulting on it's on merits.
MOS is always unreasonably respectful
If given a choice, whom would you rather have as a neighbor? MOS and his family? Or another family you know absolutely nothing about?
Always.
I'd love to take him for beers and shush the Jeesusness when chicks approach.
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Well to be clear I actually use the words "insults" and "potshots" the majority of the time. Not that I haven't used the term "personal attack" before, but that isn't the issue I'm having. Personal attacks are certainly more aggressive and if I posted that recently I did so inappropriately.
I have been personally attacked on these boards before. I've been threatened. My wife and daughter were threatened to be raped because my faith wasn't approved of.
You certainly aren't doing that. No one is currently doing that kind of stuff thank goodness.
After years and years of discussions and being charitable in my demeanor the constant insults, potshots and digs in every other post from folks and sometimes every single post has worn me out and I won't tolerate it anymore. I can't tell the number of folks that have contacted me privately and/or publically telling me to stop taking the abuse. Now, I won't retaliate, but I won't take it anymore (sounds like a Twisted Sister lyric).
I have a list of apologists and street preachers that have drawn a line in the sand as well on this issue. We except some ridicule and mockery because that is expected no matter what....we're gonna get it. There's an end to that level of tolerance though. Some have decades of experience with this stuff and are either so completely immune and or simply won't tolerate a word of it. I'm immune to the jabs themselves....that stuff is meaningless to me. But yet I won't tolerate it in the discussion anymore...people are gonna have to earn the discussion and all they gotta do is act right. I'm gonna give folks a warning (maybe two) and then they're done for the day. If they come another time and are acting right then we're good.
See, I'm not a punching bag meant for people's amusement; still, I often wonder "would these same folks say this stuff to my face?" Don't know. I've seen plenty of bold folks in person.
SF is an exception because his methods are unfortunately relentless and kind of "stalker-ish" (forgive me for lack of a better word).
I really tried with him and I was approached by at least 6-7 people privately warning me to abandon ship with him over a period of a year. I persisted for a time, but had a enough one day. He crossed a line with comments about my family and I just had enough. Were his comments horrific? No. I had just had enough and that did it for me. His little insults added up to a mountain of insults....enough was enough.
Be comforted in the fact that of all the men of faith on this board, you are the most respected. There are more of you on this board than you know. They are just too cowardly to speak out. When I think of how people in the past would choose to be fed to the lions than renounce their faith, even today the Christians in the Mid East
are murdered by ISIS for not renouncing their faith. But the cowards here remain silent when their faith is attacked or challenged.
And of course they are too busy. They already put in their hour last Sunday. That should be enough.
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Be comforted in the fact that of all the men of faith on this board, you are the most respected. There are more of you on this board than you know. They are just too cowardly to speak out. When I think of how people in the past would choose to be fed to the lions than renounce their faith, even today the Christians in the Mid East
are murdered by ISIS for not renouncing their faith. But the cowards here remain silent when their faith is attacked or challenged.
And of course they are too busy. They already put in their hour last Sunday. That should be enough.
Good comparison, facing the emperor/ISIS vs. Getbig.
F'n cowards, huh?
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I'll take number two thanks Larry.
And was just checking back in to this thread to see if Pellius was still melting down hard. Suspicion confirmed.
Who is Larry?
So not only do you disagree with MOS' world view. You believe, that compared to the average the person, MOS is a worse human being?
And, yes, I do take some things very, very seriously. This is one of them.
Not everybody is, or wants to be, as shallow as you are.
BTW, I did show your post to my econ professor friend. Though she did not laugh like I did. She did shake her head and ask, "How old is this person?" She also wondered if stupid people realize how stupid they are.
So how old are you and what level of formal education do you have?
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Always.
I'd love to take him for beers and shush the Jeesusness when chicks approach.
LOL!
He is definitely one of the few I would like to meet in real life.
It would be a pleasure and an honor.
I wish I could be more like him.
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Good comparison, facing the Emperor/ISIS vs. Getbig.
F'n cowards, huh?
No, you misinterpreted what I said but understandingly so.
I would never expect, nor do I think would God, a person to be fed to the lions or be executed rather than renounce their faith. God is not going to condemn them for speaking words he knows they do not mean. He knows how they behave and he knows their heart.
But those that do get a "Wow" from me and knowing that there are some who would do that gives me pause. It's like, if they can make such a sacrifice maybe I can do a bit more. I don't mean that I have to nail myself to the cross and start trudging down a dirt trail reciting the Lord's Prayerlike they do in the Philipines during Easter, but maybe I can be stronger in my faith. That to stand up and defend when it's being challenges and/or attacked.
A person who considers himself a devout Christian sits on this board and reads MOS standing alone he/she should speak up. Don't just remain silent as another brother stands alone.
Of course, from my experience, this board is primarily secular -- actually anti-religious. bigmc's comment I think represents the typical feelings and positions concerning religion. Europeans are overwhelmingly non religious and their society and culture is reaping the results.
So maybe it's not that they are cowards, maybe there are just not there as they seems to be so few of us.
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No, you misinterpreted what I said but understandingly so.
I would never expect, nor do I think would God, a person to be fed to the lions or be executed rather than renounce their faith. God is not going to condemn them for speaking words he knows they do not mean. He knows how they behave and he knows their heart.
But those that do get a "Wow" from me and knowing that there are some who would do that gives me pause. It's like, if they can make such a sacrifice maybe I can do a bit more. I don't mean that I have to nail myself to the cross and start trudging down a dirt trail reciting the Lord's Prayerlike they do in the Philipines during Easter, but maybe I can be stronger in my faith. That to stand up and defend when it's being challenges and/or attacked.
A person who considers himself a devout Christian sits on this board and reads MOS standing alone he/she should speak up. Don't just remain silent as another brother stands alone.
Of course, from my experience, this board is primarily secular -- actually anti-religious. bigmc's comment I think represents the typical feelings and positions concerning religion. Europeans are overwhelmingly non religious and their society and culture is reaping the results.
So maybe it's not that they are cowards, maybe there are just not there as they seems to be so few of us.
I sense you disagree. MUUUUUUUCH too long, so didn't read, but we both like MoS ...
There's that, right?
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I sense you disagree. MUUUUUUUCH too long, so didn't read, but we both like MoS ...
There's that, right?
No, actually I admitted why you would say that. I didn't say it in a way that translate into the written word.
The point being that if someone can make the ultimate sacrifice, something that I believe God, nor myself, would expect. Then I can do a bit more as a champion of my faith.
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I sense you disagree. MUUUUUUUCH too long, so didn't read, but we both like MoS ...
There's that, right?
Everyone loves MOS, I mean how can you not. It's like hating on Flanders from the Simpsons.
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Everyone loves MOS, I mean how can you not. It's like hating on Flanders from the Simpsons.
LOL.
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Everyone loves MOS, I mean how can you not. It's like hating on Flanders from the Simpsons.
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No, you misinterpreted what I said but understandingly so.
I would never expect, nor do I think would God, a person to be fed to the lions or be executed rather than renounce their faith. God is not going to condemn them for speaking words he knows they do not mean. He knows how they behave and he knows their heart.
But those that do get a "Wow" from me and knowing that there are some who would do that gives me pause. It's like, if they can make such a sacrifice maybe I can do a bit more. I don't mean that I have to nail myself to the cross and start trudging down a dirt trail reciting the Lord's Prayerlike they do in the Philipines during Easter, but maybe I can be stronger in my faith. That to stand up and defend when it's being challenges and/or attacked.
A person who considers himself a devout Christian sits on this board and reads MOS standing alone he/she should speak up. Don't just remain silent as another brother stands alone.
Of course, from my experience, this board is primarily secular -- actually anti-religious. bigmc's comment I think represents the typical feelings and positions concerning religion. Europeans are overwhelmingly non religious and their society and culture is reaping the results.
So maybe it's not that they are cowards, maybe there are just not there as they seems to be so few of us.
Just a little FYI, God is dead.
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Just a little FYI, God is dead.
Hi Nietzsche
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A person who considers himself a devout Christian sits on this board and reads MOS standing alone he/she should speak up. Don't just remain silent as another brother stands alone.
He's not the only one and I consider him to be infinitely more patient with those such as Plato and Da Vinci then I could ever be.
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Just a little FYI, God is dead.
For something to have died it must have first existed. Nietzsche's quip is metaphorical and he was not the first to say it. I think Hegel said it before him. Already in the late 1800s it was becoming apparent to men that the concept of God was becoming irrelevant to their lives.
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For something to have died it must have first existed. Nietzsche's quip is metaphorical and he was not the first to say it. I think Hegel said it before him. Already in the late 1800s it was becoming apparent to men that the concept of God was becoming irrelevant to their lives.
Yeah, and the problem still persists: what to replace God with?
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Yeah, and the problem still persists: what to replace God with?
No need to replace something that doesn't exist.
;D
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No need to replace something that doesn't exist.
;D
Nietzsche meant it as the concept of God, not an actual being. Nietzsche recognised the important role religion and god had played up until now and wondered what would become of humanity unless they could move beyond it.
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Nietzsche meant it as the concept of God, not an actual being. Nietzsche recognised the important role religion and god had played up until now and wondered what would become of humanity unless they could move beyond it.
Yes, I know.
I probably read your post out of context.
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Yeah, and the problem still persists: what to replace God with?
The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
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The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
Bodybuilders are the modern day equivalent of Sisyphus, just ask Ronnie Coleman.
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Yeah, and the problem still persists: what to replace God with?
You mean philosophically speaking? Nietzsche was constantly grappling with that. He came of age in the 1860s. One of the most turbulent times in the history of humanity.
I think the question of what to replace God with is preceded by the question of is there a need for God. So really, it becomes a question about human nature. Do we need the concept God anymore? As individuals? As families? As communities? As countries? As a species?
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You mean philosophically speaking? Nietzsche was constantly grappling with that. He came of age in the 1860s. One of the most turbulent times in the history of humanity.
I think the question of what to replace God with is preceded by the question of is there a need for God. So really, it becomes a question about human nature. Do we need the concept God anymore? As individuals? As families? As communities? As countries? As a species?
God = philosophical suicide
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You mean philosophically speaking? Nietzsche was constantly grappling with that. He came of age in the 1860s. One of the most turbulent times in the history of humanity.
I think the question of what to replace God with is preceded by the question of is there a need for God. So really, it becomes a question about human nature. Do we need the concept God anymore? As individuals? As families? As communities? As countries? As a species?
The data suggests that some do and some don't.
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There is no God, hope this helps.
It is like saying get it right with some anonymous galaxy out the back of yonder, just nonsense, and only a desperate fool would put his faith in nonsense. What can I say, the world is full of desperate fools.
Are you saying this because you've sought God?
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Are you saying this because you've sought God?
I think he is saying their is nothing to seek.
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I think he is saying their is nothing to seek.
I thought it was you who said it?
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The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
The metaphor doesn't apply to us and Camus knows it. In the story, Sisyphus' task is 'a curse' because he has no choice. It's strange that Camus would neglect any discussion of self-direction and the responsibility of it since that's more or less the whole enchilada of existentialism. Seems unlikely he just kinda forgot about it so I can only assume he considered these tenets so rudimentary as to not bear repeating. He presents Sisyphus to us as a man freed from the responsibility of choice who is happy not because he digs his struggle and finds some fulfillment in it but because he has been given the gift of a fixed fate.
I guess you could tell me that the responsibility of choice itself is our burden and bearing it is our fate, and that even suicide is a choice, and in that sense our fate is also fixed so we're just like Sisyphus after all, but that would be some equivocal bullshit. We have to accept ownership of our actions. Sisyphus is spared this. Camus' interpretation is about the irreplaceability of God and how we're all pretty much fuckin' screwed.
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The metaphor doesn't apply to us and Camus knows it. In the story, Sisyphus' task is 'a curse' because he has no choice. It's strange that Camus would neglect any discussion of self-direction and the responsibility of it since that's more or less the whole enchilada of existentialism. Seems unlikely he just kinda forgot about it so I can only assume he considered these tenets so rudimentary as to not bear repeating. He presents Sisyphus to us as a man freed from the responsibility of choice who is happy not because he digs his struggle and finds some fulfillment in it but because he has been given the gift of a fixed fate.
I guess you could tell me that the responsibility of choice itself is our burden and bearing it is our fate, and that even suicide is a choice, and in that sense our fate is also fixed so we're just like Sisyphus after all, but that would be some equivocal bullshit. We have to accept ownership of our actions. Sisyphus is spared this. Camus' interpretation is about the irreplaceability of God and how we're all pretty much fuckin' screwed.
Excellent breakdown.
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God = philosophical suicide
All our American presidents and the founders of this country committed philosophical suicide.
Look around, man. Look at your own country. See what secularism, socialism and pacifism has brought you. Your culture is dying.
America in the end will be fine. There will always be a back lash against the European influence as there is now. The conservatives will win this round.
It is you, and your country, that has committed suicide.
Start getting fitted for your burka and getting on your knees three times a day.
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what to replace God with?
make yourself totally nothing then you will be on to something.
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The metaphor doesn't apply to us and Camus knows it. In the story, Sisyphus' task is 'a curse' because he has no choice. It's strange that Camus would neglect any discussion of self-direction and the responsibility of it since that's more or less the whole enchilada of existentialism. Seems unlikely he just kinda forgot about it so I can only assume he considered these tenets so rudimentary as to not bear repeating. He presents Sisyphus to us as a man freed from the responsibility of choice who is happy not because he digs his struggle and finds some fulfillment in it but because he has been given the gift of a fixed fate.
I guess you could tell me that the responsibility of choice itself is our burden and bearing it is our fate, and that even suicide is a choice, and in that sense our fate is also fixed so we're just like Sisyphus after all, but that would be some equivocal bullshit. We have to accept ownership of our actions. Sisyphus is spared this. Camus' interpretation is about the irreplaceability of God and how we're all pretty much fuckin' screwed.
I agree with much of your interpretation. But I think that Camus' reference is twofold, and can also be interpreted in a manner that provides guidance for humankind, inasmuch as: the struggle of Sisyphus, and repetitive nature of his predicament, are akin to our lives, and the need for a constant confrontation and revolt against the absurd are fundamental facticities of any epoch. Therefore, you should imagine Sisyphus happy, as to do otherwise is to give in, and see philosophical suicide as a viable alternative option.
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people come to these intractable debates for conflict -- the fun of beating an opponent in argument. and whether christian or atheist, i think the participants often hate seeing their own reflection in their opponent.
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I agree with much of your interpretation. But I think that Camus' reference is twofold, and can also be interpreted in a manner that provides guidance for humankind, inasmuch as: the struggle of Sisyphus, and repetitive nature of his predicament, are akin to our lives, and the need for a constant confrontation and revolt against the absurd are fundamental facticities of any epoch. Therefore, you should imagine Sisyphus happy, as to do otherwise is to give in, and see philosophical suicide as a viable alternative option.
Schlemiel, schlimalzel. Hassenpfeffer Incorporated. Doing it our way, Pints!
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Questions about the meaning of life come up from time to time. Almost always, the OP is facing some other adversity.
When people feel tormented about their life having no meaning, in the absence of some other prorblem, I tell them to consider a change of environments. Change job, or take a break from your job. Join a charity, go do something for someone else. By the way, some charities are filled with very attractive young women. Go and meet one (if you are a getbigger she will be instantly attracted to you). Travel to other countries, see how people live there. Learn a new skill. Learn to play a musical instrument! The options are limitless.
Turning to organised religion because you feel there is no meaning to life is like taking a screwdriver to your brain because you have a headache.
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It's overwhelming the atheist that considers people of faith as stupid. That they lack the critical thinking and understanding of logic.
Whether you believe in God or not has little to do with intelligence. It has to do with your world view. There are intelligent people on both sides.
Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court Justice who just passed away, was considered by all, whether you agreed with him or not, as a singularly brilliant man. One recently commented that when he first met Scalia what struck him most was his sheer brain power.
Scalia was a devout Roman Catholic.
The founding fathers of this country were overwhelmingly men of faith.
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It's overwhelming the atheist that considers people of faith as stupid. That they lack the critical thinking and understanding of logic.
Whether you believe in God or not has little to do with intelligence. It has to do with your world view. There are intelligent people on both sides.
Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court Justice who just passed away, was considered by all, whether you agreed with him or not, as a singularly brilliant man. One recently commented that when he first met Scalia what struck him most was his sheer brain power.
Scalia was a devout Roman Catholic.
The founding fathers of this country were overwhelmingly men of faith.
It is easy to come to this conclusion, when people of faith profess to believe in such gems as: the earth was created in 6 days.
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It is easy to come to this conclusion, when people of faith profess to believe in such gems as: the earth was created in 6 days.
As well as such gems that the universe began instantly and out of nothing with the Big Bang.
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As well as such gems that the universe began instantly and out of nothing with the Big Bang.
It wasn't instant nor was it out of nothing. There was no time before the big bang.
And unlike creationism there is plenty of evidence to support The Big Bang Theory and zero evidence to support creationism. So even if the Big Bang theory is wrong it is certainly closer to the mark than God created heaven and Earth in 6 days and put his feet up on the 7th.
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It wasn't instant nor was it out of nothing. There was no time before the big bang.
And unlike creationism there is plenty of evidence to support The Big Bang Theory and zero evidence to support creationism. So even if the Big Bang theory is wrong it is certainly closer to the mark than God created heaven and Earth in 6 days and put his feet up on the 7th.
You make my point. There was nothing before the Big Bang. It came out of nothing. You're a moron.
And, no, it's not closer to the mark. YOU just think it is. And you have more than proven that your intellect is more than wanting. Explain to me again how our market economy is a zero sum game?
Seriously, how old are you and what level of formal education do you have? For somewhat who claims this is all a big joke, this particular question seems to have a level of gravity that supersedes some of the greatest issues in life.
Why is that?
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Krauss' lecture was presented at the 2009 National Atheist convention.
The gist of lecture provided below:
The universe is flat.
The universe has zero total energy.
The universe could’ve begun from nothing.
Why is there something rather than nothing? The answer is there had to be. If you have nothing in quantum mechanics you’ll always get something. It’s that simple, but it’s true.
Quantum fluctuations produced the flat universe out of nothing.
What are Quantum fluctuations?
Please note that Krauss gives no explanation to the audience concerning what the quantum fluctuations are that produced the universe out of nothing.
That said I have the definition from one of my saved links (I copy and paste here because I can't express it better in my own words):
“In the strange non-intuitive world of quantum mechanics some very peculiar things are allowed. Within the limits of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, changes in mass, energy, position, momentum and time are allowed that otherwise are impossible. Although the uncertainty principle is simply stated its consequences are complex and profound. Heisenberg showed that the product of momentum and position as well as the product of energy and time cannot be known in the usual sense to a precision less than of the order of magnitude of Planck's constant which is a very small number (about 10^-34 joule sec) but not zero. Below that limit the variables above are no longer conserved. What this "means" is energy can spontaneously appear from no where so long as it does not last too long. Particles can "pop up" out of a vacuum so long as they do not have too large a mass or do not last too long. One might be inclined to dismiss all this as the wild imagination of physicists, but some things have been observed that require that interpretation. One example is black holes from which nothing, not even light, is able to escape -- well not quite. Black holes are not quite black -- they leak -- due to quantum fluctuations. So called "virtual particles" appear out of a vacuum only to disappear very quickly -- in times less than the limits set by the uncertainty principle. Richard Feynman once said that anyone who claims to understand quantum mechanics does not understand the problem!!! So on the very small scale our intuition fails us completely. The Big Bang theory of the Universe is generally accepted as the best explanation of the evolution of the Universe, but even that theory does not begin at time = 0 (exactly) but only after a infinitesimally short time later. Such is the world of quantum fluctuations. “
Quantum fluctuations produced the flat universe out of nothing....virtual particles popping in and out of existence. How is this possible? We really don't know, but we've defined that their nature is to do so.
Within metaphysics the impossible is allowed......better, it's acceptable provided the caveat of "we just haven't discovered the reason yet" or "we don't have the math yet" is applied then all impossibilities are reasonably justified.
Please note, it's perfectly acceptable to not have an answer to something, but that can't be the crutch on which the final argument/conclusion is grounded. For example, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle allows for changes in mass, energy, position, momentum and time that are basically impossible.
In the end, as long as the "singularity event" isn't God all else is justifiably fair game. Just too much accountability appended to that idea.....and who needs that noise, right?! Let's concentrate on reasoning that one away, disguised in the noble yet generic endeavour of "the name of science". As long as we define terms and state that things within our metaphysical ideas have been "reasonably observed" all is good and acceptable. And then we pat each other on the back and hand each other medals and plaques.
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insert an hour long YouTube video here
One of life's biggest set-ups for being lonely is living with the erroneous belief that your way is the best way of doing things and insisting others agree with you. Some people seem to have taken a life course called, How To Be Absolutely Sure of Everything! It's like their reality testing mechanism is stuck on "It so because I think it is so." People who feel constantly threatened and angry when others question their actions substitute being right for living a happy life. Living daily always on the defense, being in charge of the rights and wrongs of the Universe, is no fun!
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insert an hour long YouTube video here
One of life's biggest set-ups for being lonely is living with the erroneous belief that your way is the best way of doing things and insisting others agree with you. Some people seem to have taken a life course called, How To Be Absolutely Sure of Everything! It's like their reality testing mechanism is stuck on "It so because I think it is so." People who feel constantly threatened and angry when others question their actions substitute being right for living a happy life. Living daily always on the defense, being in charge of the rights and wrongs of the Universe, is no fun!
Given all the Nobel Laureates on GB I figured an hour long lecture on cosmology and physics (also presented in layman's terms) would be a calkwalk LOL. Like listening to Sade in a hammock sipping sun tea.
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You mean philosophically speaking? Nietzsche was constantly grappling with that. He came of age in the 1860s. One of the most turbulent times in the history of humanity.
I think the question of what to replace God with is preceded by the question of is there a need for God. So really, it becomes a question about human nature. Do we need the concept God anymore? As individuals? As families? As communities? As countries? As a species?
God=anything that you put above yourself. People used to worship nature, mountains, the sun, the moon. Anything that we have viewed as more powerful than man. And in today's world, that can be science or the worship of the self. We have become our own Gods.
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God=anything that you put above yourself. People used to worship nature, mountains, the sun, the moon. Anything that we have viewed as more powerful than man. And in today's world, that can be science or the worship of the self. We have become our own Gods.
It is pointless to worship anything. I view worship as an evolutionary remnant, almost like the tail that grows on an embryo in the first few weeks of gestation but is then absorbed by the body.
Worship helped man survive when man was not equipped to understand the world and when man's life was nasty, brutish and short.
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It is pointless to worship anything. I view worship as an evolutionary remnant, almost like the tail that grows on an embryo in the first few weeks of gestation but is then absorbed by the body.
Worship helped man survive when man was not equipped to understand the world and when man's life was nasty, brutish and short.
Again, to be crystal clear, you do not need even a moment of professed belief in God to live out a second of your life.
From birth to death you can successfully exist without a moment of God in your life.
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God=anything that you put above yourself. People used to worship nature, mountains, the sun, the moon. Anything that we have viewed as more powerful than man. And in today's world, that can be science or the worship of the self. We have become our own Gods.
Not quite.
Most today's western people's gods are: money, cars, pussy, status.
Yet some claim religious.
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Not quite.
Most today's western people's gods are: money, cars, pussy, status.
Yet some claim religious.
Materialistic possessions that represent self gratification, correct? You can have many gods, and firmly believe the top one is ourselves, we've fallen prey to our own narcissism. Remember, you are on a bodybuilding board. Bodybuilding is about the glorification and praise of our own bodies. And now more than ever, people are more into trying to get the perfect body or the one that garners the most attention. Whether it be by plastic surgery or the gym, our society as put forth the notion that the self or the individual is far more important than the group. Which goes at odds responsibility for ones actions, which also feeds into the larger socialist leanings (if you eff up, there is a larger entity else to clean up). A nation of dysfunction.
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A nation of dysfunction.
Generation nothingness,,,
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Again, to be crystal clear, you do not need even a moment of professed belief in God to live out a second of your life.
From birth to death you can successfully exist without a moment of God in your life.
Isn't one going to be in a state of sin and therefore corrupt and depraved?
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Isn't one going to be in a state of sin and therefore corrupt and depraved?
Living in a state of sin? Absolutely. Fully corrupt and depraved? Certainly not everyone, yet still separated from God because of sin.
Living without God in this life will have you exist without God in eternity.
Still, as far as today and the rest of the days in your life are concerned you can do whatever ya wanna.
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Living in a state of sin? Absolutely. Fully corrupt and depraved? Certainly not everyone, yet still separated from God because of sin.
Living without God in this life will have you exist without God in eternity.
Still, as far as today and the rest of the days in your life are concerned you can do whatever ya wanna.
So sinners are not totally depraved, hopelessly lost and all that?
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So sinners are not totally depraved, hopelessly lost and all that?
See Dante's Inferno for the different levels, lol. ;D
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Living in a state of sin? Absolutely. Fully corrupt and depraved? Certainly not everyone, yet still separated from God because of sin.
Living without God in this life will have you exist without God in eternity.
Still, as far as today and the rest of the days in your life are concerned you can do whatever ya wanna.
I'm not going to go into a debate about religion, as it's well outside my genuine interests.
Concerning the following:
"Living without god [...] without god in eternity".
That's quite the statement to make. When you are neither God, nor has the existence of such an entity being confirmed or authenticated.
This, combined with your last sentence makes you come off as a smug know it all.
Which is fine, you can do whatever ya wanna.
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I'm not going to go into a debate about religion, as it's well outside my genuine interests.
Concerning the following:
"Living without god [...] without god in eternity".
That's quite the statement to make. When you are neither God, nor has the existence of such an entity being confirmed or authenticated.
This, combined with your last sentence makes you come off as a smug know it all.
Which is fine, you can do whatever ya wanna.
It's just scripture.
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So sinners are not totally depraved, hopelessly lost and all that?
Total depravity is a pretty absolute statement about someone. I certainly wouldn't pass that judgment upon everyone. I have no doubt there are fully reprobate folks today.
Now, are people that are without salvation by grace through faith Jesus Christ depraved and sinful and worthy of God's justice? Are they unrighteous? Yes.
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Now, are people that are without salvation by grace through faith Jesus Christ depraved and sinful and worthy of God's justice? Are they unrighteous? Yes.
I am glad it is only in your imagination.
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I am glad it is only in your imagination.
I'm giving you serious warning because I do care about you and letting you know of the reality of God's grace and wrath.
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Total depravity is a pretty absolute statement about someone. I certainly wouldn't pass that judgment upon everyone. I have no doubt there are fully reprobate folks today.
Now, are people that are without salvation by grace through faith Jesus Christ depraved and sinful and worthy of God's justice? Are they unrighteous? Yes.
So a human being can exist away from God, in a depraved, unrighteous (read: not in accordance with right or justice) state but live a successful life as per your comment above.
Final question, what do you mean by "successful" life?
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So a human being can exist away from God, in a depraved, unrighteous (read: not in accordance with right or justice) state but live a successful life per your comment above.
Final question, what do you mean by "successful" life?
Yes.
However you choose to define success.
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I'm giving you serious warning because I do care about you and letting you know of the reality of God's grace and wrath.
Apparently you fail to realize you were probably manipulated from an early age on.
If not... even worse.
Maybe you need some false sense of security in this crazy unpredictable world and therefore resort to beliefs that try to bring it all in some kind of "order".
Or you were recruited based on your own personal fears.
I don't know.
Anyway...
You still fail to see through this manipulation.
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Apparently you fail to realize you were probably manipulated from an early age on.
If not... even worse.
Maybe you need some false sense of security in this crazy unpredictable world and therefore resort to beliefs that try to bring it all in some kind of "order".
Or you were recruited based on your own personal fears.
I don't know.
Anyway...
You still fail to see through this manipulation.
I was manipulated at a young age....by the influence of nonbelievers.....that's all over with.
If God revealed his reality to you in whatever fashion you preferred would you then give your life to him and live for him?
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If God revealed his reality to you in whatever fashion you preferred would you then give your life to him and live for him?
There is no reality to a concept.
Give my life to a concept?
I'm not sure if it even is "my life".
And even then why give it away?
You lost me there...
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There is no reality to a concept.
Give my life to a concept?
I'm not sure if it even is "my life".
And even then why give it away?
You lost me there...
Let's just pretend we're past all the dodges, red herrings, sudden bout of ignorance, restatements/rephrases, the "what do you mean by" angle and other such tactics.
How do you answer?
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Jason Blabla
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Let's just pretend we're past all the dodges, red herrings, sudden bout of ignorance, restatements/rephrases, the "what do you mean by" angle and other such tactics.
How do you answer?
Not using tactics.
I already answered that.
It won't change.
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Let's just pretend we're past all the dodges, red herrings, sudden bout of ignorance, restatements/rephrases, the "what do you mean by" angle and other such tactics.
Those tactics are called the Socratic method. It has been a staple in philosophy and law for thousands of years.
It's excellent for uncovering contradictions, confused thinking, etc as it did here.
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Those tactics are called the Socratic method. It has been a staple in philosophy and law for thousands of years.
It's excellent for uncovering contradictions, confused thinking, etc as it did here.
They're avoidance tactics LOL. And y'all ain't Socrates and neither am I.
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Not using tactics.
I already answered that.
It won't change.
My question requires a "yes" or "no" answer. So which is it?
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My question requires a "yes" or "no" answer. So which is it?
The question is not a valid question.
It assumes impossibilities.
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The question is not a valid question.
It assumes impossibilities.
Give me a break and answer the question LOL.
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Give me a break and answer the question LOL.
LOL.
I can't.
There is no question for me.
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LOL.
I can't.
There is no question for me.
Nice one.
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LOL.
I can't.
There is no question for me.
You understand exactly what I'm saying, I know you know what I'm saying, you're refusing to answer, playing a funny little game and giggling behind your keyboard.
I just plead with you to examine God's word some day. Maybe come to him in prayer. Look at all the evidence for scripture, Jesus Christ, the witness of believers and get out from behind rhetoric and silly games.
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Apparently you fail to realize you were probably manipulated from an early age on.
If not... even worse.
Maybe you need some false sense of security in this crazy unpredictable world and therefore resort to beliefs that try to bring it all in some kind of "order".
Or you were recruited based on your own personal fears.
I don't know.
Anyway...
You still fail to see through this manipulation.
Have you seen this movie yet?
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You make my point. There was nothing before the Big Bang. It came out of nothing. You're a moron.
And, no, it's not closer to the mark. YOU just think it is. And you have more than proven that your intellect is more than wanting. Explain to me again how our market economy is a zero sum game?
Seriously, how old are you and what level of formal education do you have? For somewhat who claims this is all a big joke, this particular question seems to have a level of gravity that supersedes some of the greatest issues in life.
Why is that?
I didn't say there was nothing before the big bang, just no time. At the time of the big bang all that is observable today was compacted into an immensely dense form (not nothing as you keep proposing), Although space may have been concentrated into a single point at the Big Bang, it is equally possible that space was infinite at the Big Bang. In both scenarios the space was completely filled with matter which began to expand.
My understanding of the big bang is certainly rudimentary, your concept of it is practically kindergarten level. Your ignorance is truly exposed on such matters.
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You understand exactly what I'm saying, I know you know what I'm saying, you're refusing to answer, playing a funny little game and giggling behind your keyboard.
I just plead with you to examine God's word some day. Maybe come to him in prayer. Look at all the evidence for scripture, Jesus Christ, the witness of believers and get out from behind rhetoric and silly games.
I take this serious.
Of course I understand what you are writing but I don't think it applies to me.
It is too far off from my own point of view.
Maybe you don't understand what I am writing otherwise you would have realized this.^
I have already read all the religion books and then some.
Bible, Quran, ... eastern philosophies ... ... ... scientology LOL too bad it got infiltrated at some point.
Maybe like 5000 in total.
Also I personally owned well over 1000 books which I have thrown away at some point after realizing their complete uselessness.
Some were very expensive, old and extremely hard to get but I don't regret.
Those were no novels if you get my point.
So no need to read it all again.
Right now I am in the process trying to forget all those concepts.
They lead nowhere.
Also I don't believe it is "God's word".
And I certainly won't pray to a concept.
Again this is no silly game.
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Have you seen this movie yet?
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No.
Will it be worth the time?
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I take this serious.
Of course I understand what you are writing but I don't think it applies to me.
It is too far off from my own point of view.
Maybe you don't understand what I am writing otherwise you would have realized this.^
I have already read all the religion books and then some.
Bible, Quran, ... eastern philosophies ... ... ... scientology LOL too bad it got infiltrated at some point.
Maybe like 5000 in total.
Also I personally owned well over 1000 books which I have thrown away at some point after realizing their complete uselessness.
Some were very expensive, old and extremely hard to get but I don't regret.
Those were no novels if you get my point.
So no need to read it all again.
Right now I am in the process trying to forget all those concepts.
They lead nowhere.
Also I don't believe it is "God's word".
And I certainly won't pray to a concept.
Again this is no silly game.
That's all well and good.
You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it:
If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?
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That's all well and good.
You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it:
If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?
Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence. But the last thing I would do would become Christian. Christianity is a sick cult. A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible. It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.
That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. ;D
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There is no reality to a concept.
Give my life to a concept?
I'm not sure if it even is "my life".
And even then why give it away?
You lost me there...
Whose do you think it may be?
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Whose do you think it may be?
nobodies.
If the buddhists are correct, there is no permanent 'me' that exists. There is no 'my'. We are simply an ever changing collection of atoms and molecules interconnected with all other matter.
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Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence. But the last thing I would do would become Christian. Christianity is a sick cult. A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible. It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.
So your answer is "no".
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So your answer is "no"?
Well if God appeared before all and said, I am God,you can stop killing each other over whether or not I exist, Yes I would believe in God, No I wouldn't become Christian, unless he specifically said he was the God of the Christian faith, then that would be different. It would certainly piss off all the other religions and their followers.
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Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence. But the last thing I would do would become Christian. Christianity is a sick cult. A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible. It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.
That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. ;D
It's a question a child would ask.
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That's all well and good.
You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it:
If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?
It just doesn't compute.
For the reasons I explained above^^.
Plus I will never join any religious group.
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Whose do you think it may be?
I didn't "create" this life nor did I want or request it.
How can I call it my own?
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I didn't "create" this life nor did I want or request it.
How can I call it my own?
Because you have control over it.
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Because you have control over it.
The initial control is very lacking.
(Time and place of birth, etc...)
And after being self conscious at maybe the age of 3 control still lacks also.
And later on there isn't much control either.
Maybe even none at all.
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The initial control is very lacking.
(Time and place of birth, etc...)
And after being self conscious at maybe the age of 3 control still lacks also.
And later on there isn't much control either.
Maybe even none at all.
What's controlling you, if not yourself?
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Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence. But the last thing I would do would become Christian. Christianity is a sick cult. A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible. It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.
That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. ;D
I once had a class during highschool regarding something similar to this.
The teacher posed the following question/task: Imagine an alien, and write or draw what you'd think it would look like.
Ofcourse everyone started jotting down some lines here and there, drawing faces, mouths, eyes. Or simply writing down characteristics of what they thought aliens would have. (I believe I drew a circle or something of the sort).
Now the point of this exercise was to think outside of the box, and ofcourse we all failed horribly. Because while we all imagined aliens; these were nothing more than accumulations of expectations we'd have of such a creature. And they all turned out to have human features one or the other.
The thing is, it is so easy to imagine things. To adhere your expectations, your fears, your wants to figmants of the imagination. Is it any wonder 'the Son of God' appeared before us as a man? Considering the patriarchic structure at the time? Is it any wonder that followers of a believe, a figmant of the imagination, think that they are right? That they will be saved? That something out there cares about their existence at all? A divine purpose even? But in one way or another always benefits them over another?
The truth is that the exercise I had in highschool never had any right answer, we cannot imagine alien life nor can exclude the possibility of it being out there. Hell, we might be the excrement of aliens, but we just haven't got the knowledge or the capacity of self-realisation. To discuss the existence or absence of an-and-any God as such is utterly pointless.
Man of Steel, I am happy for you if you feel your belief adds something to your life.
I am content with my life in the absence of such rather deterministic beliefs.
I do, however, take offense to your mentality that somehow you will be 'saved', and others will not.
Not because it impacts me in any way, but simply because it's a very child-like assumption from which point all chance of reasoning seizes.
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What's controlling you, if not yourself?
The environment plays a major role.
Relationships.
Obligations.
Time.
Job.
Money.
Health.
Weather.
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You got to react to a lot of those things so there isn't much control left in this kind of framework.
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Fully agreed.
Nature vs nurture.
The only true free-will we have is to end our own existence at a time of our pleasing.
Hell, we even came into the world uninvited.
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No.
Will it be worth the time?
Yes. He talks about killing people. In that room. And in the end he finds "God". It's funny how he describes his first encounter with church folks. He is currently in hiding from his former employer.
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The environment plays a major role.
Relationships.
Obligations.
Time.
Job.
Money.
Health.
Weather.
...
You got to react to a lot of those things so there isn't much control left in this kind of framework.
Aren't you in control of your reactions?
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Yes. He talks about killing people. In that room. And in the end he finds "God". It's funny how he describes his first encounter with church folks. He is currently in hiding from his former employer.
Ok.
Thanks.
Will look into it.
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Aren't you in control of your reactions?
Actually, considering our thoughts are based on compounded experiences arguably there is an entire absence of true free will.
Though this would imply people could not be held responsible for their own actions, taking into account the collective.
Considering own input and rational choice dictating much of our behaviour, this wouldn't exactly hold up.
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Aren't you in control of your reactions?
Not really.
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Actually, considering our thoughts are based on compounded experiences arguably there is an entire absence of true free will.
Though this would imply people could not be held responsible for their own actions, taking into account the collective.
Considering own input and rational choice dictating much of our behaviour, this wouldn't exactly hold up.
Not sure I follow.
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Not really.
Meaning that something outside yourself has that control?
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Meaning that something outside yourself has that control?
No.
Your conditioning.
Accumulated experiences.
Resulting thoughts.
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No control over those.^
All play into your decision.
So no real control.
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Not sure I follow.
When we look at a person, the very geographical location and manner of birth defines who that person will be for the rest of their life.
For example:
Consider a child being born into a white Catholic family. From that point onwards, (s)he'll be given a name that will define it for the rest of their lives.
The child will be raised with certain values, political views, religious views, cultural views and so on. Based on their family, their surroundings, exposure to alternate views. And social interaction or otherwise. => Compounding of experiences.
While basic survival is practically inate in all organisms, the above described is entirely dependent on external stimuli. But has a very significant and profound impact on how you will live your life in relation to others. Basically, you will view the world along certain lines, you will act along certain norms and values and so on. But these are not things you came up with yourself.
Really, when we look at one single person, we're actually looking at a fragment of an organism. Humankind as a whole acts along the same lines, which is what is required to succeed in prolonging your 'life'. However, noone really acts outside of the 'norm', ofcourse there are outliers such as nutcases or cultures diverging significantly from the norm. But these are bound to be eradicated one way or another.
We are conditioned from start to finish to act and think in certain ways. To 'fit in' sort of say.
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No.
Your conditioning.
Accumulated experiences.
Resulting thoughts.
...
No control over those.^
All play into your decision.
So no real control.
Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?
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Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?
Yes, but not limited to it.
Resulting thoughts and decisions also play into conditioning.
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Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?
I would argue that conditioning is more pro-active, as in you're being taught certain things.
Whereas accumulated experiences would include any interactions (passive/active), also one time occurences or observations.
But they don't necessarily have to be distinct interactions from eachother, this depends on your point of view/assumptions.
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When we look at a person, the very geographical location and manner of birth defines who that person will be for the rest of their life.
For example:
Consider a child being born into a white Catholic family. From that point onwards, (s)he'll be given a name that will define it for the rest of their lives.
The child will be raised with certain values, political views, religious views, cultural views and so on. Based on their family, their surroundings, exposure to alternate views. And social interaction or otherwise. => Compounding of experiences.
While basic survival is practically inate in all organisms, the above described is entirely dependent on external stimuli. But has a very significant and profound impact on how you will live your life in relation to others. Basically, you will view the world along certain lines, you will act along certain norms and values and so on. But these are not things you came up with yourself.
Really, when we look at one single person, we're actually looking at a fragment of an organism. Humankind as a whole acts along the same lines, which is what is required to succeed in prolonging your 'life'. However, noone really acts outside of the 'norm', ofcourse there are outliers such as nutcases or cultures diverging significantly from the norm. But these are bound to be eradicated one way or another.
We are conditioned from start to finish to act and think in certain ways. To 'fit in' sort of say.
Is this what you feel has happened to you?
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Yes, but not limited to it.
Resulting thoughts and decisions also play into conditioning.
But doesn't that show you have control?
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Is this what you feel has happened to you?
This is something I am aware of in the broader sense, but doesn't necessarily pre-occupy my thoughts.
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But doesn't that show you have control?
No.
These thoughts and decisions happen after experiences of which you have no complete control over.
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No.
These thoughts and decisions happen after experiences of which you have no complete control over.
Just all the control that any person could reasonably expect to have. I understand.
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Just all the control that any person could reasonably expect to have. I understand.
Yes.
Thanks for this insightful conversation.
:)
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I didn't say there was nothing before the big bang, just no time. At the time of the big bang all that is observable today was compacted into an immensely dense form (not nothing as you keep proposing), Although space may have been concentrated into a single point at the Big Bang, it is equally possible that space was infinite at the Big Bang. In both scenarios the space was completely filled with matter which began to expand.
My understanding of the big bang is certainly rudimentary, your concept of it is practically kindergarten level. Your ignorance is truly exposed on such matters.
Your understanding is not rudimentary, just wrong. And I guarantee you I've taken more courses in Physics then you ever had.
Why are you so ashamed to answer the question as to how old you are and what level of formal education you have?
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Well if God appeared before all and said, I am God,you can stop killing each other over whether or not I exist, Yes I would believe in God, No I wouldn't become Christian, unless he specifically said he was the God of the Christian faith, then that would be different. It would certainly piss off all the other religions and their followers.
So you would be a member of a sick cult as long as there was a supernatural leader?
Did you ever even graduate high school? Is that why you are so ashamed to answer the simple question?
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I once had a class during highschool regarding something similar to this.
The teacher posed the following question/task: Imagine an alien, and write or draw what you'd think it would look like.
Ofcourse everyone started jotting down some lines here and there, drawing faces, mouths, eyes. Or simply writing down characteristics of what they thought aliens would have. (I believe I drew a circle or something of the sort).
Now the point of this exercise was to think outside of the box, and ofcourse we all failed horribly. Because while we all imagined aliens; these were nothing more than accumulations of expectations we'd have of such a creature. And they all turned out to have human features one or the other.
The thing is, it is so easy to imagine things. To adhere your expectations, your fears, your wants to figmants of the imagination. Is it any wonder 'the Son of God' appeared before us as a man? Considering the patriarchic structure at the time? Is it any wonder that followers of a believe, a figmant of the imagination, think that they are right? That they will be saved? That something out there cares about their existence at all? A divine purpose even? But in one way or another always benefits them over another?
The truth is that the exercise I had in highschool never had any right answer, we cannot imagine alien life nor can exclude the possibility of it being out there. Hell, we might be the excrement of aliens, but we just haven't got the knowledge or the capacity of self-realisation. To discuss the existence or absence of an-and-any God as such is utterly pointless.
Man of Steel, I am happy for you if you feel your belief adds something to your life.
I am content with my life in the absence of such rather deterministic beliefs.
I do, however, take offense to your mentality that somehow you will be 'saved', and others will not.
Not because it impacts me in any way, but simply because it's a very child-like assumption from which point all chance of reasoning seizes.
Why does it bother you when you don't adhere to his belief systems?
Does it bother you that Muslims thinks you are an infidel and will suffer through eternity? Would it bother you if Wiggs said you are going to be kidnapped by aliens and be turned into a midget Hebrew?
What it bother you if I said I was a fortune teller and foresaw that by the end of this year you are going to be raped by Tbombz and spend the next year rotting away from AIDs? What if I told you that I am actually the second coming of Christ and I'm going to send you to hell? Would that keep you up at night? "Pellius just condemned me to hell."
How does something you don't even believe in offend you?
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If you're not going to read the whole post, don't comment on it.
Hint: Read the last sentence.
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If you're not going to read the whole post, don't comment on it.
Hint: Read the last sentence.
Actually, I did read the whole post and ESPECIALLY the last sentence. That's why I responded. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt which was obviously wrong. To be offended, or even care, about something that has no impact on you is what is childish.
The reason anyone believes anything, being it liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, Christian, Muslim, Jew or atheist; is because they believe their position is best, better or right. If they didn't, then they wouldn't hold that position.
Libs think Conservatives are ruining this country and vice versa. Theist believes that it matters in life how you act. That there is a cosmic justice and a right and a wrong and real consequences to either. You can agree or disagree but it has nothing to do with being childish.
Having your feelings hurt by something that doesn't matter to you is childish.
And watch your tone when addressing me.
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Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history
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Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history
I think so, too.
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Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history
And you hold the record for the most moronic poster on this board.
Still ashamed to say how old you are and what level of formal education you have?
Why do you avoid this simple and innocuous question?
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I think so, too.
Says the gimmick who got owned by TA.
"If I were you I wouldn't post a pic either." LOL!
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As well as such gems that the universe began instantly and out of nothing with the Big Bang.
Fairy story vs an evolving, scientific, metaphysical investigation. Choose your poison!
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Says the gimmick who got owned by TA.
Bullshit.
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And watch your tone when addressing me.
you shouldn't post on Getbig if you are so sensitive.
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Fairy story vs an evolving, scientific, metaphysical investigation. Choose your poison!
I've already seen what secularism has done to the evolution of present day Europe.
I'll stick to my side.
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you shouldn't post on Getbig if you are so sensitive.
LOL at a phaggot telling me where I should post.
At least you're taking a break from searching the net for more cock pics to post here.
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Actually, I did read the whole post and ESPECIALLY the last sentence.
Then you missed the point.
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Then you missed the point.
Nope. Your own words were crystal clear. You plainly said you are offended by something that doesn't impact you. And then accusing someone of being childish for having a belief that is meaningless to you. It is one of the main tenets of Christianity that if you don't accept Christ you cannot achieve salvation. This is not MOS words or opinions. It is simply part of the belief system. You can reject it, as you obviously do, but it is not a question of it being childish and by extension, immature.
Maybe English isn't your first language and you can't clearly express yourself.
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I think pellius is having a bad decade. Maybe he has been running tren a little too long, he sure is an angry fucker.
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I think pellius is having a bad decade. Maybe he has been running tren a little too long, he sure is an angry fucker.
And I'm owning your tiny mind as you pay very, very close attention to every word I write.
And in the same breath you claim you don't take any of this seriously.
The only thing you take seriously is hiding from the very simply question as to how old you are and what level of formal education you have.
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Maybe English isn't your first language and you can't clearly express yourself.
This is a recurring statement made by you towards everyone you fail to understand.
My words are sufficiently clear, if you can't grasp their meaning, perhaps have a look at yourself.
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This is a recurring statement made by you towards everyone you fail to understand.
My words are sufficiently clear, if you can't grasp their meaning, perhaps have a look at yourself.
Actually, I have never suggested that perhaps someone is not expressing himself well because English is a second language. Never.
Show me one instance where I have. You just made that up.
In fact, I have never ever in my almost 15 years on this board even considered that possibility. It's only recently that someone mentioned to me that perhaps he wasn't expressing himself clearly as English is his second language. That gave me pause as there are a lot of members on this board where English is not their primary language.
So since you, a depressed, sad little chump, who cries publicly and shamelessly, on a message board because he's sick and his life has no meaning, can explain to me, in all your depressed wisdom what I'm missing.
You said you were offended by something you don't believe in and has no impact on you. You think it's childish that there are beliefs systems that you don't subscribe to.
Break it down for me, genius, before you kill yourself.
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Actually, I have never suggested that perhaps someone is not expressing himself well because English is a second language. Never.
Show me one instance where I have. You just made that up.
In fact, I have never ever in my almost 15 years on this board even considered that possibility. It's only recently that someone mentioned to me that perhaps he wasn't expressing himself clearly as English is his second language. That gave me pause as there are a lot of members on this board where English is not their primary language.
So since you, a depressed, sad little chump, who cries publicly and shamelessly, on a message board because he's sick and his life has no meaning, can explain to me, in all your depressed wisdom what I'm missing.
You said you were offended by something you don't believe in and has no impact on you. You think it's childish that there are beliefs systems that you don't subscribe to.
Break it down for me, genius, before you kill yourself.
LOL.
This is absurd.
Pure comedy.
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LOL.
This is absurd.
Pure comedy.
This is way over your head.
You have to have an IQ of at least 80 to comprehend these concepts.
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pellius
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I've already seen what secularism has done to the evolution of present day Europe.
I'll stick to my side.
So you believe in a 2 thousand year old fairy story due to what happens in Europe in the present day? A very novel way to arrive at ontological conclusions.
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I was hoping for something better but I guess I can't expect much from someone truly so stupid.
Now tell me how faith, belief in something without proof, translates into "blind faith" as you said?
And at least now I have part of my question answered. You are actually in your FORTIES! At least if you were younger there would be some hope and I can be more patient. But you are FORTY THREE years old -- and to be so breathtakingly ignorant at such an age.
Now, I at least can reasonably assume, in the best case scenario, that you have zero education beyond high school. But this is admittedly wishful thinking. Faith, if you will. I so want to believe that it's lack of education that accounts for your staggering ignorance. And I also hope to God -- that's right I said it! -- I hope to God -- you are not an American. Because at least that would mean you come from a more leftist, socialist country because even dumb Americans have some concept of how a market economy works.
"so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority."
Good God! How can you be 43 years old and be so jaw droppingly stupid?
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I was hoping for something better but I guess I can't expect much from someone truly so stupid.
Now tell me how faith, belief in something without proof, translates into "blind faith" as you said?
And at least now I have part of my question answered. You are actually in your FORTIES! At least if you were younger there would be some hope and I can be more patient. But you are FORTY THREE years old -- and to be so breathtakingly ignorant at such an age.
Now, I at least can reasonably assume, in the best case scenario, that you have zero education beyond high school. But this is admittedly wishful thinking. Faith, if you will. I so want to believe that it's lack of education that accounts for your staggering ignorance. And I also hope to God -- that's right I said it! -- I hope to God -- you are not an American. Because at least that would mean you come from a more leftist, socialist country because even dumb Americans have some concept of how a market economy works.
"so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority."
Good God! How can you be 43 years old and be so jaw droppingly stupid?
They are your own words, what is taken from one is given to another. It is you who said it, and it is you who is now calling your own words idiotic. You are a strange creature indeed. How do you think the ultra rich got their money if they didn't take it from others?
Like I said, you are a product of cultural hegemony and don't even realize it, I doubt you even know what it is. I mean you're obviously not a member of the ruling class, so one has to wonder why you would promote their agenda.
"This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor." - Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
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This is way over your head.
You have to have an IQ of at least 80 to comprehend these concepts.
HTH (https://psychiatrists.psychologytoday.com/rms/)
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They are your own words, what is taken from one is given to another. It is you who said it, and it is you who is now calling your own words idiotic. You are a strange creature indeed. How do you think the ultra rich got their money if they didn't take it from others?
Like I said, you are a product of cultural hegemony and don't even realize it, I doubt you even know what it is. I mean you're obviously not a member of the ruling class, so one has to wonder why you would promote their agenda.
NO DUMMY! NO I DID NOT, DUMB FUCK!
The difference between you and me is that when I call someone a dummy I give concrete proof. You just call names, say that's stupid, doesn't make sense... but never back it up.
OK, now pay attention closely you pitiful dumb fuck. Pay close, close attention as now my killing time is over and I'm wasting it with you.
When I was referring to a zero sum game I was referring to the government. The government does not create wealth. All they can do is confiscate it, redistribute it, and destroy it. So what they give to one person is taken from someone else. A zero sum game (and if you don't know what is meant by a zero sum game educate your fucking little pea brain and look it up).
A business CREATES wealth. They provide goods and services that stimulate and grows the economy. They provide jobs. They don't TAKE anybody's money let alone their employees. They GIVE money to employees in exchange for their labor which they use to support themselves. And the money they get is not taken from them like it is when the government taxes you. It is freely given to them in exchange for a good or service that people want.
Now is it possible that your disgraceful, lazy and embarrassing stupid intellect can comprehend this?
"My words." Just like that pussy Yamcha. He writes that I beat my dog so that it runs and hides when I specifically said I smack it on the top of his head and he walks away and sulks. How is it that you people are so stupid that you can't just read the words and take it for what it means rather than put your spin on it to support your agenda?
Here's MY WORDS you fucking dumb shit. Sometimes a meltdown is justified when one is dealing with truly stupid, stupid people. A stupidity that I just proved but you will be to stupid to see it let alone admit your error. God, you're 43 years old. I pray, yes pray, you don't have any children.
I was pointing out the obvious condition that caring for the elderly is a cost to society. Because Da Vinci seems to have difficulty grasping that obvious fact because some people do make a living in caring for the elderly. So if we were all elderly no income will be generated. Similar to the ones who have difficulty grasping the concept that the government does not create wealth. So a government job does nothing for the economy. Sure people who work for the government get paid but the money they get has been taken by the government from other tax payers in the private sector. So the government really can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it "gives" to one person it has taken from someone else. And for those who can't understand that you use the "What if everybody did that argument?" If we all worked for the government no one would get paid.
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NO DUMMY! NO I DID NOT, DUMB FUCK!
The difference between you and me is that when I call someone a dummy I give concrete proof. You just call names, say that's stupid, doesn't make sense... but never back it up.
OK, now pay attention closely you pitiful dumb fuck. Pay close, close attention as now my killing time is over and I'm wasting it with you.
When I was referring to a zero sum game I was referring to the government. The government does not create wealth. All they can do is confiscate it, redistribute it, and destroy it. So what they give to one person is taken from someone else. A zero sum game (and if you don't know what is meant by a zero sum game educate your fucking little pea brain and look it up).
A business CREATES wealth. They provide goods and services that stimulate and grows the economy. They provide jobs. They don't TAKE anybody's money let alone their employees. They GIVE money to employees in exchange for their labor which they use to support themselves. And the money they get is not taken from them like it is when the government taxes you. It is freely given to them in exchange for a good or service that people want.
Now is it possible that your disgraceful, lazy and embarrassing stupid intellect can comprehend this?
"My words." Just like that pussy Yamcha. He writes that I beat my dog so that it runs and hides when I specifically said I smack it on the top of his head and he walks away and sulks. How is it that you people are so stupid that you can't just read the words and take it for what it means rather than put your spin on it to support your agenda?
Here's MY WORDS you fucking dumb shit. Sometimes a meltdown is justified when one is dealing with truly stupid, stupid people. A stupidity that I just proved but you will be to stupid to see it let alone admit your error. God, you're 43 years old. I pray, yes pray, you don't have any children.
LOL.
Awesome.
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I also forgot to comment on another one of your truly, truly ignorant and stupid statement:
"How do you think the ultra rich got their money if they didn't take it from others?"
How did they get their money? They earned it. Ever heard of that? Floyd Mayweather is one of the richest people in this country. He didn't take one dime from anybody. All the money he has was given to him in exchange for the service he provides. All the money the Walmart family has was freely and voluntarily given to them in exchange for the goods and services they provide.
I wonder if you are able to top your stupidity with your most recent posts. That would really be something. I anxiously await.
Forty three years old. Amazing!
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You know nothing, Pellius.
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Pellius why you so angry all the time? Are you running tren at the moment? Seems you always like to accuse people of stupidity over and over again, what's your obsession is it so you can feel superior?
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Pellius why you so angry all the time? Are you running tren at the moment? Seems you always like to accuse people of stupidity over and over again, what's your obsession is it so you can feel superior?
Little Dick Syndrome
Same reason he beats his dogs
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Little Dick Syndrome
Most likely.
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In any debate the person who starts doing personal attacks and childish antics automatically loses and the debate ceases. If someone in no capacity to rationally defend a position, there is no point in spending time and energy with them. There are plenty of other people around to talk to.
Think Oxford Union rules.
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Nope. Your own words were crystal clear. You plainly said you are offended by something that doesn't impact you. And then accusing someone of being childish for having a belief that is meaningless to you. It is one of the main tenets of Christianity that if you don't accept Christ you cannot achieve salvation. This is not MOS words or opinions. It is simply part of the belief system. You can reject it, as you obviously do, but it is not a question of it being childish and by extension, immature.
Maybe English isn't your first language and you can't clearly express yourself.
I see plenty of people who have accepted Christ but are not spiritually liberated. To really accept Christ is for the ego personality to merge in its source. Takes more than drive through Christianity for that.
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Pellius why you so angry all the time? Are you running tren at the moment? Seems you always like to accuse people of stupidity over and over again, what's your obsession is it so you can feel superior?
Because it is just mind boggling how stupid people are. Frustratingly maddening that someone will take my words, so clearly written, and completely turn it around.
I mentioned the "government" countless times in my explanation. And this just sailed over the moron RD's head. Completely didn't register in his pea brain. 'What rich has was taken from others." And then says that was "my words."
It's not about being superior. It's presenting facts to stupid thinking. And, AGAIN, when I call someone stupid I back it up. I give specific examples just like I did now. The rest will say, "Bullshit", "You're wrong", "You missed the point", without backing it up. Without giving any examples.
How about you? Do you think the people got rich by taking -- stealing -- money from the poor? How did poor people even get money for rich people to steal? Does McDonald's put a gun to your head and just take your money? What the hell are those eternal long lines at the drive through mean?
And I do have low tolerance for blatant stupidity. And here is where Da Vinci is right. Because it threatens are survival. Stupid people make us a weaker human race. That is how the government is able to manipulate us. How they can control our lives. We must eliminate stupidity as much as we can. I just pray that guys like RD, Yamcha and OB1 aren't Americans because I've written off Western Europe. They've been brain washed by liberal ideology. They were once the most powerful nations in the world. Now they are just fading away.
Europe is what will happen to America if we don't fight.
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Actually, I have never suggested that perhaps someone is not expressing himself well because English is a second language. Never.
Show me one instance where I have. You just made that up.
If you don't get the point, you don't get it. It's ok. Go through your own post-history, I won't do it for you.
So since you, a depressed, sad little chump, who cries publicly and shamelessly, on a message board because he's sick and his life has no meaning, can explain to me, in all your depressed wisdom what I'm missing.
I indeed feel no shame in addressing personal feelings on a message board. Nor do I see any need to.
Due to my personality I am for the most part unable to seek help or express personal concerns to others.
Getbig for this purpose allowed me to vent, in addition to getting alternative insight from people outside of my social circle.
As for not seeing a meaning in life, I merely posed the question what made people tick and what drove them.
This within the context of my situation at the time. Had you paid attention, you may have caught on to that.
You said you were offended by something you don't believe in and has no impact on you. You think it's childish that there are beliefs systems that you don't subscribe to. Break it down for me, genius, before you kill yourself.
With all your supposed experience (15 years?), surely you'll manage to figure out what my main concern was.
If not, tough luck buddy. I'm sure others did.
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Because it is just mind boggling how stupid people are. Frustratingly maddening that someone will take my words, so clearly written, and completely turn it around.
I mentioned the "government" countless times in my explanation. And this just sailed over the moron RD's head. Completely didn't register in his pea brain. 'What rich has was taken from others." And then says that was "my words."
It's not about being superior. It's presenting facts to stupid thinking. And, AGAIN, when I call someone stupid I back it up. I give specific examples just like I did now. The rest will say, "Bullshit", "You're wrong", "You missed the point", without backing it up. Without giving any examples.
How about you? Do you think the people got rich by taking -- stealing -- money from the poor? How did poor people even get money for rich people to steal? Does McDonald's put a gun to your head and just take your money? What the hell are those eternal long lines at the drive through mean?
And I do have low tolerance for blatant stupidity. And here is where Da Vinci is right. Because it threatens are survival. Stupid people make us a weaker human race. That is how the government is able to manipulate us. How they can control our lives. We must eliminate stupidity as much as we can. I just pray that guys like RD, Yamcha and OB1 aren't Americans because I've written off Western Europe. They've been brain washed by liberal ideology. They were once the most powerful nations in the world. Now they are just fading away.
Europe is what will happen to America if we don't fight.
I've been brain washed by liberal ideology because I don't believe in striking dogs?
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I see plenty of people who have accepted Christ but are not spiritually liberated. To really accept Christ is for the ego personality to merge in its source. Takes more than drive through Christianity for that.
You are correct but you are a different breed entirely than the average GetBig mob. You are a very spiritual person, a good person, and have given a lot of thought and personal practice to these issues.
You're just at a different level than most here.
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In any debate the person who starts doing personal attacks and childish antics automatically loses and the debate ceases. If someone in no capacity to rationally defend a position, there is no point in spending time and energy with them. There are plenty of other people around to talk to.
Think Oxford Union rules.
I'm no MOS and have always had a hot temper. But that does not negate the validity of an argument or the truth of a conclusion.
If I say, "You're a dumb fuck if you think that Ronnie Coleman never used HGH" it does not negate the declaration.
Now I'm late.....
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Pellius,
Can you not see that people may be confused by your logic. On the one hand you demand evidence (quite rightly so), and on the other, you believe in the story of Jesus from the bible: a 2000 year old book. Which, let us be honest, you have to suspend all rational thought to believe can be an accurate appraisal of history.
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Pellius,
Can you not see that people may be confused by your logic. On the one hand you demand evidence (quite rightly so), and on the other, you believe in the story of Jesus from the bible: a 2000 year old book. Which, let us be honest, you have to suspend all rational thought to believe can be an accurate appraisal of history.
OK, excellent challenge and presented in a civil and sincere manner and after I clarify your challenge, I want to be crystal clear what you are saying, I will address it if you are in fact really serious.
I just can't right now. I do have a life.
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I've been brain washed by liberal ideology because I don't believe in striking dogs?
I know you meant this sarcastically because you are not a serious person but, just like a broken clock is right twice a day, this is actually a valid challenge that merits a response.
The short answer is, YES. I know that is shocking to you and if it was anybody else you'd think it was a joke. But it is indeed, YES. And one of the reasons you think it's a silly answer is one of the very reasons your culture is falling a part. (Unless I have you confuse with someone else, I believe you are not an American.)
I'm just not sure if it's worth explaining because going by your past history, no matter how clear my words are, you will just put other words in my mouth. "Smacking a dog on the top of the head" is light years away from "Beating dogs."
How could you make such a moral equivalence and consider yourself a fair and impartial person? What kind of person are you? My words were right there. You even quoted it. Quoted it and then rewrote it. These are things I just don't understand. It's so black and white. I really wonder what kind of person is behind the screen. I really wish we had a rule that everyone has to come out of hiding and post a pic and show who they are. I have this primal need to put a face to people like you. Just like when someone cuts you off in traffic and then gives you the finger. You just want to look at them. It's not like you're going to do anything. You just want to see what a person like that looks like. I want to see what a bald face liar, someone who lies even when the truth is right there for him and for all to see, looks like.
But people like you hide. They always hide. They're afraid to expose themselves and have the light shine on them. To let other people see what people like you look like.
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Because it is just mind boggling how stupid people are. Frustratingly maddening that someone will take my words, so clearly written, and completely turn it around.
I mentioned the "government" countless times in my explanation. And this just sailed over the moron RD's head. Completely didn't register in his pea brain. 'What rich has was taken from others." And then says that was "my words."
It's not about being superior. It's presenting facts to stupid thinking. And, AGAIN, when I call someone stupid I back it up. I give specific examples just like I did now. The rest will say, "Bullshit", "You're wrong", "You missed the point", without backing it up. Without giving any examples.
How about you? Do you think the people got rich by taking -- stealing -- money from the poor? How did poor people even get money for rich people to steal? Does McDonald's put a gun to your head and just take your money? What the hell are those eternal long lines at the drive through mean?
And I do have low tolerance for blatant stupidity. And here is where Da Vinci is right. Because it threatens are survival. Stupid people make us a weaker human race. That is how the government is able to manipulate us. How they can control our lives. We must eliminate stupidity as much as we can. I just pray that guys like RD, Yamcha and OB1 aren't Americans because I've written off Western Europe. They've been brain washed by liberal ideology. They were once the most powerful nations in the world. Now they are just fading away.
Europe is what will happen to America if we don't fight.
Thanks for the response. What do I think about the issue of rich vs poor? I think it's a good question and it comes down to the ethics of how the rich have accumulated their wealth, the means they have used to do it. For instance, I am all for someone making something useful like Steve Jobs for example and becoming extremely wealthy as a result of it. I don't see any losers there and hopefully it inspires others to use their brains and create something we can all benefit from.
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For instance, I am all for someone making something useful like Steve Jobs for example
You're thinking of Steve Wozniak.
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You're thinking of Steve Wozniak.
Just googled him and sounds a fascinating man. Thanks for the tip!
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I know you meant this sarcastically because you are not a serious person but, just like a broken clock is right twice a day, this is actually a valid challenge that merits a response.
The short answer is, YES. I know that is shocking to you and if it was anybody else you'd think it was a joke. But it is indeed, YES. And one of the reasons you think it's a silly answer is one of the very reasons your culture is falling a part. (Unless I have you confuse with someone else, I believe you are not an American.)
I'm just not sure if it's worth explaining because going by your past history, no matter how clear my words are, you will just put other words in my mouth. "Smacking a dog on the top of the head" is light years away from "Beating dogs."
But people like you hide. They always hide. They're afraid to expose themselves and have the light shine on them. To let other people see what people like you look like.
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Pellius, dear sir, I live on the mainland.
So you could say that I am much more American than you.
I have never hid on this website. I have even posted pictures before. The only thing I haven't stated here is my real name.
And I apologize that my opinion on punishing/correcting animals doesn't match yours, but it has nothing to do with the pussification of America. Again, would you like me to provide sources on more efficient ways to correct your dogs?
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A business CREATES wealth. They provide goods and services that stimulate and grows the economy. They provide jobs. They don't TAKE anybody's money let alone their employees. They GIVE money to employees in exchange for their labor which they use to support themselves. And the money they get is not taken from them like it is when the government taxes you. It is freely given to them in exchange for a good or service that people want.
Business don't take anybodies money, then where do they get it from? And thanks to capitalism (which they own) they can create monopolies and steal other people's money legally. And the money their employees earn go straight back to corporations (and the government in taxes). And they are growing the economy for their benefit and not the masses, the trickle down effect is bullshit and doesn't work. By the time the little man gets a piece of the pie the original money has almost lost all of it's value. Hence the reason the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Like I said, you probably need to ask yourself why you promote the agenda of the ruling classes when you are just a pleb, it has never occurred to you that you have been seriously indoctrinated by them (the ruling class) and perhaps this is why you are so angry and hate those just like you, at the bottom of the food chain.
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Pellius, dear sir, I live on the mainland.
So you could say that I am much more American than you.
I have never hid on this website. I have even posted pictures before. The only thing I haven't stated here is my real name.
And I apologize that my opinion on punishing/correcting animals doesn't match yours, but it has nothing to do with the pussification of America. Again, would you like me to provide sources on more efficient ways to correct your dogs?
OK, I have you confused with someone else. When you fight with as many people as I do you lose track.
I don't state my real name either and never use my home IP when on forums. You're asking for trouble if you do.
I took grave offense at your comments about dogs because I consider dogs almost sacred. No where will you find a relationship between a man and an animal than you would with a man and his dog. I believe dogs are a special gift from God to show man a real world example that there is such a thing as unconditional love.
My smack on his head is with the same, or actually less, force than when I pet him on the head. All my dogs like rough and tumble play. The only difference is my demeanor so the message is sent and punctuated with the smack.
But all my formal training with my dogs is based on positive reinforcement.
In today's pussified world, Bruce Lee would be put in jail for his smacks on his student's head.
We're good.
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and never use my home IP when on forums.
LOL.
And then calling other people cowards.
Not bad.
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If you don't get the point, you don't get it. It's ok. Go through your own post-history, I won't do it for you.
Oh, I get the point. I get it clearly. This is not my first rodeo, cowboy.
It is you that can't seem to comprehend which I would think is a very simple concept.
I indeed feel no shame in addressing personal feelings on a message board. Nor do I see any need to.
Due to my personality I am for the most part unable to seek help or express personal concerns to others.
Getbig for this purpose allowed me to vent, in addition to getting alternative insight from people outside of my social circle.
Of course, you feel no shame. Any sense of shame has been virtually eliminated from our society following the culture revolution from the late sixties/early seventies and began to manifest itself by the 1990s.
I can say with virtual 100% certainty, that anyone from your generation and from Western Europe has never had a father that told them to, "Act like a man."
Life is not easy, it'sunfair, and often cruel and nasty. Sometimes you have to just suck it up. Just the fact you are here tells me that you live better than the majority of the world. One of the top five killers in the world is diarrhea. All from the lack of clean drinking water. And to think not long ago someone about your age told me he hates water. Has to drink diet coke or some other flavored drink.
There use to be a time when a man practice a kind of discreet modesty. He didn't air his personal woes for all the world to see. It was kept in house, in family. He realized that everybody has their cross to bear in life and he wasn't going to burden others and impose on them to solve his own problems. He realized that life is what it is and that many have it far worse than he and he wasn't going to feel sorry for himself.
Now I have to hear about how men wished they had a vagina, how they want to "experience" sucking a dick, how they were molested at five because when their dad picked them up he had his hand on his butt... every little idiosyncrasy, emotional crisis, perversion now has to be put on full public display for the world to see.
I miss the closet. Some things are better left being kept in the closet.
Instead of feeling sorry for yourself be grateful for what you have. More than what most of the people in the world have.
Suck it up and act like a man.
As for not seeing a meaning in life, I merely posed the question what made people tick and what drove them.
This within the context of my situation at the time. Had you paid attention, you may have caught on to that.
No issue with that. I still wonder how people keep from blowing their brains out. I sit in traffic ready to explode and look at others sitting there so passive and serene. How do they do it? Do they just flip a switch and go into zombie mode. I wonder how a man restrains himself from strangling to death a guy half his age that still lives with his parents that just told him, "Hey, I told you, when you close up you have to put plastic over the printer. I have to keep telling you that. You have to learn how to listen."
And again, watch your tone with me. Be glad that we're separated by an ocean. One day you might forget and make a snarky, sarcastic comment like that to the wrong person in real life and that sassy smirk will quickly turn to tears as you are being strangled to death.
I pay close attention. Very close attention.
With all your supposed experience (15 years?), surely you'll manage to figure out what my main concern was.
If not, tough luck buddy. I'm sure others did.
I'm not your buddy.
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LOL.
And then calling other people cowards.
Not bad.
Another truly idiotic statement. Why don't you post your address, w2 form, tax records, credit card statements....
Guess what? I also have guns, guard dogs, locked gates, a fire extinguisher, a safe -- I even lock my doors.
I would ask you if you are really that dumb but you already answered that question.
So, gimmick, when are you going to post a pic?
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Thanks for the response. What do I think about the issue of rich vs poor? I think it's a good question and it comes down to the ethics of how the rich have accumulated their wealth, the means they have used to do it. For instance, I am all for someone making something useful like Steve Jobs for example and becoming extremely wealthy as a result of it. I don't see any losers there and hopefully it inspires others to use their brains and create something we can all benefit from.
Of course, it's a big difference starting from a small drive in and taking decades to building it into the largest fast food chain in the world and being the head of a drug cartel.
But most millionaires in this country are first generation rich and they got rich by earning their money. Providing a good and/or service that people want and are willing to pay for.
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Another truly idiotic statement. Why don't you post your address, w2 form, tax records, credit card statements....
Guess what? I also have guns, guard dogs, locked gates, a fire extinguisher, a safe -- I even lock my doors.
I would ask you if you are really that dumb but you already answered that question.
So, gimmick, when are you going to post a pic?
Epic small dick syndrome right there.
I even posted a link where you can get help.
How long do we have to put up with your constant bullshit and your meltdowns?
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Business don't take anybodies money, then where do they get it from? And thanks to capitalism (which they own) they can create monopolies and steal other people's money legally. And the money their employees earn go straight back to corporations (and the government in taxes). And they are growing the economy for their benefit and not the masses, the trickle down effect is bullshit and doesn't work. By the time the little man gets a piece of the pie the original money has almost lost all of it's value. Hence the reason the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Like I said, you probably need to ask yourself why you promote the agenda of the ruling classes when you are just a pleb, it has never occurred to you that you have been seriously indoctrinated by them (the ruling class) and perhaps this is why you are so angry and hate those just like you, at the bottom of the food chain.
Well, congratulations. You were able to exceed with this post the stupidity of all your previous posts. Especially when I spelled out, in agonizing detail, the difference between "taking", essentially stealing other people's wealth, and earning it.
But since I've just come into some recent information about you it put things in perspective. You are not from America and you are a loser at life. You're just a poor boy and nobody loves you. That's why you play the victim. Blaming others for your failures. That you don't have control over your life because you are a victim of the "ruling class".
It all makes sense now. Even why you don't want to say what kind of formal education you have. You have none. Everything you know is what you parrot from the internet.
And though I don't ever remember doing something like this in my life as it's just not my style, but I'll make an exception for you since you are truly an insufferable, miserable, pathetic little retard. So now that I know what a loser you are in real life:
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Epic small dick syndrome right there.
I even posted a link where you can get help.
How long do we have to put up with your constant bullshit and your meltdowns?
Now you've been reduced to penis size comments.
Much to your chagrin, I am not going to post a picture of my dick but I am 6'2". You're just a little man hiding behind a gimmick calling other people cowards.
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Now you've been reduced to penis size comments.
Much to your chagrin, I am not going to post a picture of my dick but I am 6'2". You're just a little man hiding behind a gimmick calling other people cowards.
Hopeless case.
I am 6'4" btw.
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Hopeless case.
I am 6'4" btw.
No you're not. You're a gimmick that is too afraid to post a pic.
You're a cowardly little man hiding behind a computer making claims that you won't back up.
Prove me wrong.
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No you're not. You're a gimmick that is too afraid to post a pic.
You're a cowardly little man hiding behind a computer making claims that you won't back up.
Prove me wrong.
No need to prove you wrong.
You are wrong already.
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No need to prove you wrong.
You are wrong already.
No need to prove God exists.
He exists already.
Please go on. You're really sound desperate saying words just to say words. You're emotionally crumbling before my eyes.
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No need to prove God exists.
He exists already.
Please go on. You're really sound desperate saying words just to say words. You're emotionally crumbling before my eyes.
I'm really tired of reading all your lame bullshit.
You can't even spell right.
Thanks & bye.
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Well, congratulations. You were able to exceed with this post the stupidity of all your previous posts. Especially when I spelled out, in agonizing detail, the difference between "taking", essentially stealing other people's wealth, and earning it.
But since I've just come into some recent information about you it put things in perspective. You are not from America and you are a loser at life. You're just a poor boy and nobody loves you. That's why you play the victim. Blaming others for your failures. That you don't have control over your life because you are a victim of the "ruling class".
It all makes sense now. Even why you don't want to say what kind of formal education you have. You have none. Everything you know is what you parrot from the internet.
And though I don't ever remember doing something like this in my life as it's just not my style, but I'll make an exception for you since you are truly an insufferable, miserable, pathetic little retard. So now that I know what a loser you are in real life:
You are free to feel anyway you like. My life is great, thanks in part to understanding how the system actually works and how to play it. I have all the money I need and all the free time to do with it as I please. I learned long ago the most precious commodity was free time. I have used it in such a way to free myself from the indentured slavery that most of the moronic masses accept willingly. It has also helped me develop a sense of peace and contentment, something which is obviously lacking in your life judging by your constant state of outrage and resentment. I know you think you feel better when insulting everyone and looking down your nose at them, but you are only hurting yourself, because nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.
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And again, watch your tone with me. Be glad that we're separated by an ocean. One day you might forget and make a snarky, sarcastic comment like that to the wrong person in real life and that sassy smirk will quickly turn to tears as you are being strangled to death.
I pay close attention. Very close attention.
I'm not your buddy.
I'll talk to you in whatever fashion I please, buddy. If you got a problem with that, feel free to step up to the plate. I've never had a problem backing up my words, or I wouldn't say them in the first place.
As for your remarks, they're about as insightful as a brickwall. Or haven't you figured out yet that psychoanalysis and other 'real world' theories don't quite apply to the virtual setting. Perhaps have a look at virtual ethnography and its pitfalls if you're sincere about gaining insight into the ways people interact online. Otherwise, get out from underneath that horse you're riding.
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OK, excellent challenge and presented in a civil and sincere manner and after I clarify your challenge, I want to be crystal clear what you are saying, I will address it if you are in fact really serious.
I just can't right now. I do have a life.
Hi Pellius,
Still keen to hear your thoughts on this one, if you have the time?
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you are just a pleb
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One day a father and son were sitting and chatting on the riverbank. The father said to his son, "Look to river, my son, the water is so important in this life, without water we will all die."
At the same time, a small fish hear the conversation from the bottom surface of the water, small fish that suddenly nervous and wanted to know about the water, which the human said was so important in this life. The little fish swim upstream to downstream of the river as he asked each fish encountered,
"Hey do you know where the water is? I have heard of human conversation that without the water, all of us will die. "
It turned out that all fish that have been asked not know where the water is. The little fish getting confused, then he swam toward the spring to meet the older fish that have been experienced. The little fish asked the same question to older fish, "Where is the water? "
Older Fish replied wisely, "Do not agitated, my children, the water is arround you, so you do not even notice her presence. It is true that without water we will all die. "
What is the meaning of the story for us. Humans are sometimes experienced a similar situation such as small fish. We usually looking to everywhere about life and happiness. We sometimes don’t realize that happiness is arround us.
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One day a father and son were sitting and chatting on the riverbank. The father said to his son, "Look to river, my son, the water is so important in this life, without water we will all die."
At the same time, a small fish hear the conversation from the bottom surface of the water, small fish that suddenly nervous and wanted to know about the water, which the human said was so important in this life. The little fish swim upstream to downstream of the river as he asked each fish encountered,
"Hey do you know where the water is? I have heard of human conversation that without the water, all of us will die. "
It turned out that all fish that have been asked not know where the water is. The little fish getting confused, then he swam toward the spring to meet the older fish that have been experienced. The little fish asked the same question to older fish, "Where is the water? "
Older Fish replied wisely, "Do not agitated, my children, the water is arround you, so you do not even notice her presence. It is true that without water we will all die. "
What is the meaning of the story for us. Humans are sometimes experienced a similar situation such as small fish. We usually looking to everywhere about life and happiness. We sometimes don’t realize that happiness is arround us.
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One day a father and son were sitting and chatting on the riverbank. The father said to his son, "Look to river, my son, the water is so important in this life, without water we will all die."
At the same time, a small fish hear the conversation from the bottom surface of the water, small fish that suddenly nervous and wanted to know about the water, which the human said was so important in this life. The little fish swim upstream to downstream of the river as he asked each fish encountered,
"Hey do you know where the water is? I have heard of human conversation that without the water, all of us will die. "
It turned out that all fish that have been asked not know where the water is. The little fish getting confused, then he swam toward the spring to meet the older fish that have been experienced. The little fish asked the same question to older fish, "Where is the water? "
Older Fish replied wisely, "Do not agitated, my children, the water is arround you, so you do not even notice her presence. It is true that without water we will all die. "
What is the meaning of the story for us. Humans are sometimes experienced a similar situation such as small fish. We usually looking to everywhere about life and happiness. We sometimes don’t realize that happiness is arround us.
Who'd scare their kid like that? Probably gave him a complex.
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Pellius do you live alone?
Visit friends often?
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You are free to feel anyway you like. My life is great, thanks in part to understanding how the system actually works and how to play it. I have all the money I need and all the free time to do with it as I please. I learned long ago the most precious commodity was free time. I have used it in such a way to free myself from the indentured slavery that most of the moronic masses accept willingly. It has also helped me develop a sense of peace and contentment, something which is obviously lacking in your life judging by your constant state of outrage and resentment. I know you think you feel better when insulting everyone and looking down your nose at them, but you are only hurting yourself, because nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.
I learned long ago the most precious commodity was free time.
Translation: You work a part time job at a fast food joint and a skinny/fat lazy ass.
because nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.
You care. You care a lot. You read every one of my post: every one of my long winded, verbose, dissertations. You read them every closely and respond to everyone of them.
It must suck being in your forties and being so unaccomplished in life. And to be so powerless. That you have on control over your fate and it is determined by the "ruling class".
Keep feeling sorry for yourself and crying victim as you live your loser life.
And I can see that you decided not to make a new year's resolution to get in shape. Another example of the ruling class always keeping a brotha down.
So powerless.
A lot can be garnered with an IP address.
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I'm really tired of reading all your lame bullshit.
You can't even spell right.
Thanks & bye.
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How desperate you've become. Reduced to going after my spelling when I am by far one of the best spellers on the board. And, BTW, not a single word is misspelled in the post that you quote.
Now go run away licking your wounds.
Ownage complete.
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I'll talk to you in whatever fashion I please, buddy. If you got a problem with that, feel free to step up to the plate. I've never had a problem backing up my words, or I wouldn't say them in the first place.
As for your remarks, they're about as insightful as a brickwall. Or haven't you figured out yet that psychoanalysis and other 'real world' theories don't quite apply to the virtual setting. Perhaps have a look at virtual ethnography and its pitfalls if you're sincere about gaining insight into the ways people interact online. Otherwise, get out from underneath that horse you're riding.
Bahahaha! A punk kid still living with his mommy trying to act like a man.
My words just sail over your head because you just lack the experience and mental capacity to even begin to understand.
"Step up to the plate." LOL! Coming from a little phaggot that lies in his bed feeling sorry for himself and whines to a bunch of strangers how hard his life is.
Boo, hoo, hoo.... I'm hurting. I'm in so much pain. What does it all mean? What is my purpose in life? What makes me "tick"?
LMAO!
Suck it up and act like a man, you pathetic, crybaby pu$$y.
Your phaggotry sickens me.
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Hi Pellius,
Still keen to hear your thoughts on this one, if you have the time?
I need to clarify if you mean defending the veracity and credibility of the Bible or the existence of God.
If the former, than I cannot do it. There are so many parts that are allegorical, must be taken in their proper context, and a more substantial stretch of faith. I read the Bible regularly and I find it informative as well as an effective aid to help me sleep.
In short, it's a bit over my head.
If the debate is about evidence as to the existence of God. Then, yes, I can make a case that those that believe in God or Creator is not just based on blind faith. I, myself, was a pupil of Bertrand Russell and an Agnostic for nearly twenty years.
So it's not like I haven't struggled and examined the issues extensively.
And just to be clear, none of this has anything to do as to whether or not creation was a good idea, or even if a good job was done by a presumably omnipotent and benevolent being.
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How desperate you've become. Reduced to going after my spelling when I am by far one of the best spellers on the board. And, BTW, not a single word is misspelled in the post that you quote.
Now go run away licking your wounds.
Ownage complete.
You only own yourself, Shizzo.
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Pellius do you live alone?
Visit friends often?
Haha! I come from a family of nine (Catholic) and the last Thanksgiving and Christmas we had over thirty blood relatives over not accounting friends, wives, husbands....
How about you? And please answer this question as I showed you the courtesy of answering yours directly and plainly. And a picture would be nice as it seems you are trying to bond with me -- which I welcome.
I'm in the back right hand corner.
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You only own yourself, Shizzo.
Epic come back!
I know you are but what am I.
I knew I could lure you back for more beatings.
You're so easy.
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Epic come back!
I know you are but what am I.
I knew I could lure you back for more beatings.
You're so easy.
What beatings?
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Haha! I come from a family of nine (Catholic) and the last Thanksgiving and Christmas we had over thirty blood relatives over not accounting friends, wives, husbands....
How about you? And please answer this question as I showed you the courtesy of answering yours directly and plainly. And a picture would be nice as it seems you are trying to bond with me -- which I welcome.
I'm in the back right hand corner.
Do you still live with your family? ??? Visit them much?
I live alone and don't see friends much. Posted plenty of pics.
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Translation: You work a part time job at a fast food joint and a skinny/fat lazy ass.
You care. You care a lot. You read every one of my post: every one of my long winded, verbose, dissertations. You read them every closely and respond to everyone of them.
It must suck being in your forties and being so unaccomplished in life. And to be so powerless. That you have on control over your fate and it is determined by the "ruling class".
Keep feeling sorry for yourself and crying victim as you live your loser life.
And I can see that you decided not to make a new year's resolution to get in shape. Another example of the ruling class always keeping a brotha down.
So powerless.
A lot can be garnered with an IP address.
I use a vpn. You can't see my I.P. address. But thanks for exposing what a dickhead you are for the thousandth time.
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What beatings?
You're really giving a ruthless beating to my fist with your face.
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You're really giving a ruthless beating to my fist with your face.
Didn't notice anything like that so far.
Must be your well developed fantasy.
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Do you still live with your family? ??? Visit them much?
I live alone and don't see friends much. Posted plenty of pics.
I live with my girlfriend and have a teenage niece and nephew living with me. Considering the circumstances with their mother it was decided it would be better for them if they stayed with us.
Just like any normal family, I visit and I get visited.
When the "kids" go off to college I plan to get another place and live alone. Not because of any tension or discomfort with my gf but because neither of us plan to get married I just want to have my own space.
I have plenty of pics on here as well but finding them is another thing. Perhaps you can save me the trouble and just post a pic with your family here.
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I use a vpn. You can't see my I.P. address. But thanks for exposing what a dickhead you are for the thousandth time.
LOL! VPN? Oh yeah, you're untouchable.
It's not working. But I can't take the credit.
BTW, do you even lift?
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Didn't notice anything like that so far.
Must be your well developed fantasy.
Now you're just getting sad.
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Now you're just getting sad.
Really, you suck at trolling.
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LOL! VPN? Oh yeah, you're untouchable.
It's not working. But I can't take the credit.
BTW, do you even lift?
A VPN doesn't make me untouchable, but i sure as shit know you cant' access my ip. Feel free to expose my IP address if you are certain you know what it is. You're just a gimmick, and a lame one at that.
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You're just a gimmick, and a lame one at that.
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A VPN doesn't make me untouchable, but i sure as shit know you cant' access my ip. Feel free to expose my IP address if you are certain you know what it is. You're just a gimmick, and a lame one at that.
You're right for once. I can't. The operative word for the retard is "I".
I'm a gimmick? Someone one who has been on this board for over a decade with pictures all over the place. Pictures even on this very thread.
That's what you're left with?
No wonder you are such a loser in life who values his "free time". What choice do you have?
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Really, you suck at trolling.
Each response is getting weaker and weaker. Really scraping the bottom now.
Trolling?
Call me a gimmick in your next reply.
I'm destroying your little mind.
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Each response is getting weaker and weaker. Really scraping the bottom now.
Trolling?
Call me a gimmick in your next reply.
I'm destroying your little mind.
Too bad you can't do anything.
Except posting walls of bullshit.
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Too bad you can't do anything.
Except posting walls of bullshit.
You said that already. Try to come up with new material.
I specifically point out where one is wrong, when they are spewing bullshit, and I back it up.
With you, with your weak mind, with your phony gimmick account, he just say "wrong!", "bullshit!", "nonsense!" without any coherent defense or proof.
I'm so deep in your head that I can see your brain crumbling.
Now brag to us again how you are 6'4", have above average genetics and in the same breath say, "But I have nothing to prove."
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You're right for once. I can't. The operative word for the retard is "I".
I'm a gimmick? Someone one who has been on this board for over a decade with pictures all over the place. Pictures even on this very thread.
That's what you're left with?
No wonder you are such a loser in life who values his "free time". What choice do you have?
I must have missed the pic, can you post them again for prosperity sake.
Is this you in the middle?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aV7MY4X8NcQ/TbJp020gArI/AAAAAAAAQrc/LBX7sSbfXIo/s1600/Andreas%2BCahling%2Bin%2B1977%2Bwith%2BSerge%2BNubret%2Band%2BPaco%2BRabanne..jpg)
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You said that already. Try to come up with new material.
I specifically point out where one is wrong, when they are spewing bullshit, and I back it up.
With you, with your weak mind, with your phony gimmick account, he just say "wrong!", "bullshit!", "nonsense!" without any coherent defense or proof.
I'm so deep in your head that I can see your brain crumbling.
Now brag to us again how you are 6'4", have above average genetics and in the same breath say, "But I have nothing to prove."
Someone or even a group of people (maybe even on this board) must really have hurt you bad in the past.
Also you seem really frustrated and it looks like you have a giant inferiority complex which you try hard to compensate for.
A genuinely happy person which is at peace with himself and life generally doesn't have the need for such escapades you display on a constant basis.
I suggest to bring your life in order and maybe it will help you to gain balance again.
Although this might not work for everyone.
Some cannot achieve balance no matter what they try.
Anyway...
I hope you will feel better soon.
HTH
;D
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Someone or even a group of people (maybe even on this board) must really have hurt you bad in the past.
Also you seem really frustrated and it looks like you have a giant inferiority complex which you try hard to compensate for.
A genuinely happy person which is at peace with himself and life generally doesn't have the need for such escapades you display on a constant basis.
I suggest to bring your life in order and maybe it will help you to gain balance again.
Although this might not work for everyone.
Some cannot achieve balance no matter what they try.
Anyway...
I hope you will feel better soon.
HTH
;D
Agreed. Generally behind a consistent angry demeanour is a lot of unexpressed hurt and grief. Pellius is lucky we here at getbig are brothers in iron and no stranger to the tough times life can throw our way. Were happy to be your metaphorical punching bag if it helps you get it out of your system, but try and not get stuck there for too long. It's an old cliche, but life truly is too short for harbouring such hostility and ill will. Peace, from your Brother in Iron
:-*
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I must have missed the pic, can you post them again for prosperity sake.
Is this you in the middle?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aV7MY4X8NcQ/TbJp020gArI/AAAAAAAAQrc/LBX7sSbfXIo/s1600/Andreas%2BCahling%2Bin%2B1977%2Bwith%2BSerge%2BNubret%2Band%2BPaco%2BRabanne..jpg)
Again, another concrete example of how stupid you are. Again, I just don't pointlessly hurl insults. I back it up with concrete examples.
Just like how I explain in detail how a market economy works and how business earns money as oppose to how government takes money, your very next reply is, "how does businesses and corporations get their money by not taking it."
I post a picture just a few posts up on this thread. A post everyone can see. And what's your response? Essentially, "Where's your pic?" And then, in a lame attempt to be clever, you post a pic of some stranger that everyone knows is not me and ask, "Is this you?"
To make it easier for you I'll post a couple more, you know, for "prosperity" sake (Good god! If you really knew how stupid you are).
Now I'll await for you to return the favor or are you going to give me another real world example of what a coward you are?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=604101.0;attach=670445;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=604101.0;attach=670444;image)
Can't help but think that is a photo of a corpse for some reason. ;D And are they pec implants or just old man moobs?
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/10/31/1226181/352962-heidi-klum.jpg)
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Can't help but think that is a photo of a corpse for some reason. ;D
I would be angry too If I had to walk around like that.
;D
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Someone or even a group of people (maybe even on this board) must really have hurt you bad in the past.
Also you seem really frustrated and it looks like you have a giant inferiority complex which you try hard to compensate for.
A genuinely happy person which is at peace with himself and life generally doesn't have the need for such escapades you display on a constant basis.
I suggest to bring your life in order and maybe it will help you to gain balance again.
Although this might not work for everyone.
Some cannot achieve balance no matter what they try.
Anyway...
I hope you will feel better soon.
HTH
;D
Yes, I feel really inferior to a gimmick and your boyfriend: the most stupid, provably and verifiably stupid, loser on the this board.
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Yes, I feel really inferior to a gimmick and your boyfriend: the most stupid, provably and verifiably stupid, loser on the this board.
Thanks for confirming my theory.
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Agreed. Generally behind a consistent angry demeanour is a lot of unexpressed hurt and grief. Pellius is lucky we here at getbig are brothers in iron and no stranger to the tough times life can throw our way. Were happy to be your metaphorical punching bag if it helps you get it out of your system, but try and not get stuck there for too long. It's an old cliche, but life truly is too short for harbouring such hostility and ill will. Peace, from your Brother in Iron
:-*
Translation: Please be my friend and don't leave me alone to be mentally destroyed by Pellius.
LMAO @ "Brothers in Iron"
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Yes, I feel really inferior to a gimmick and your boyfriend: the most stupid, provably and verifiably stupid, loser on the this board.
Translation: Please be my friend and don't leave me alone to be mentally destroyed by Pellius.
LMAO @ "Brothers in Iron"
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(http://i.lvme.me/kwovcbl.jpg)
LOL!
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Can't help but think that is a photo of a corpse for some reason. ;D And are they pec implants or just old man moobs?
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/10/31/1226181/352962-heidi-klum.jpg)
Perhaps you can back up your criticism and show me how much better you are?
Again, the difference between you and me. I'm out there backing my shit up. You hide like a coward.
But if I was such a miserable loser at life who gave up his free will to the "rulers" who controls his life I'd hide too.
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I would be angry too If I had to walk around like that.
;D
But of course you too hide in anonymity like a coward because you know you'd be laughed off this board if you ever posted a pic.
It's a common rule of thumb on this board that the one who criticizes the most are the ones who would never post a pic.
If we adopted bigmc's suggesting that everyone has to post a pic, no more hiding behind a computer, we'd get rid of gimmicks like you and the board would be a lot better and on a higher level.
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LOL @ the two "Brothers in Iron" that haven't picked up a weight in decades sucking each other off like a couple of queens.
You go girls!
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LOL @ the two "Brothers in Iron" that haven't picked up a weight in decades sucking each other off like a couple of queens.
You go girls!
I'm not sure what you expect Pellius, you have been having the equivalent of an infantile temper tantrum throughout this entire thread. All the grown ups can do is wait until your crisis passes and have a little laugh at your expense.
Still your Brother in Iron. ;D
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But of course you too hide in anonymity like a coward because you know you'd be laughed off this board if you ever posted a pic.
It's a common rule of thumb on this board that the one who criticizes the most are the ones who would never post a pic.
If we adopted bigmc's suggesting that everyone has to post a pic, no more hiding behind a computer, we'd get rid of gimmicks like you and the board would be a lot better and on a higher level.
Pellius
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Yet another wall of text swinging for the fences and missing base entirely.
Stop feigning intellect and just go out to the sea with some brick shoes on and keep walking, buddy.
Have you tried writing posts by banging your head on the keyboard yet? I have a suspicion this might solve your issues while at the same time producing more concrete less drawn out texts.
Also, learn how to respond to multiple posts in one posts. It makes it easier to skip over your bullshit if it's compressed in a one page long post as opposed to several half-page ones.
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I'm not sure what you expect Pellius, you have been having the equivalent of an infantile temper tantrum throughout this entire thread. All the grown ups can do is wait until your crisis passes and have a little laugh at your expense.
Still your Brother in Iron. ;D
I expect you still live your life as a loser and never having the discipline to ever step into the gym and to continue to blame others for your misery.
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But of course you too hide in anonymity like a coward because you know you'd be laughed off this board if you ever posted a pic.
It's a common rule of thumb on this board that the one who criticizes the most are the ones who would never post a pic.
If we adopted bigmc's suggesting that everyone has to post a pic, no more hiding behind a computer, we'd get rid of gimmicks like you and the board would be a lot better and on a higher level.
LOL @ the two "Brothers in Iron" that haven't picked up a weight in decades sucking each other off like a couple of queens.
You go girls!
Sorry...
can't really take you seriously, elf.
;D
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Yet another wall of text swinging for the fences and missing base entirely.
Stop feigning intellect and just go out to the sea with some brick shoes on and keep walking, buddy.
Have you tried writing posts by banging your head on the keyboard yet? I have a suspicion this might solve your issues while at the same time producing more concrete less drawn out texts.
Also, learn how to respond to multiple posts in one posts. It makes it easier to skip over your bullshit if it's compressed in a one page long post as opposed to several half-page ones.
I will be laughing at this for years to come.
It sucks being old but I'm sure as hell glad I'm not from your generation. Generation nothingness.
To bad you never had a dad that just told you to suck it up and act like a man. "But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose."
Bahahahaha! What a fuking pussy. I can only imagine what will happen when you have to move out of your mommy's house.
At 25 year's old, I more often than not find myself pondering about the point of it all.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose.
The reality, is that for years I have lived an existence revolving around alcohol, drugs and absolutely meaningless relationships and emotionless sex.
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Sorry...
can't really take you seriously, elf.
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Sure you do. That's why you're still here.
Another example of your clueless stupidity.
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I will be laughing at this for years to come.
It sucks being old but I'm sure as hell glad I'm not from your generation. Generation nothingness.
To bad you never had a dad that just told you to suck it up and act like a man. "But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose."
Bahahahaha! What a fuking pussy. I can only imagine what will happen when you have to move out of your mommy's house.
Act like a man WTF. You have demonstrated you are the biggest crybaby in the history of getbig in this thread. I don't think I can recall any man ever melting down as long and as hard and as continuously as you. It's embarrassing to watch, seriously.
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tldr.
You might have missed it in another thread:
On a sidenote, Pellius is a joke to me. Spewing enough bullshit, which he assumes is insight, to always hit base with someone.
Really, he's the equivalent of a spiritual medium. Full of shit, and self-deluding in thinking he's some sort of intellectual.
The only reason why I engage with him is because he's such a nutcase I can imagine him setting his house on fire while furiously typing response after response while failing to grasp people are fucking with him. Or in the case of his statement above, simply failing to understand statements made by others.
But go on pedolust. I can't wait for another wall of text to skip thru.
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Act like a man WTF. You have demonstrated you are the biggest crybaby in the history of getbig in this thread. I don't think I can recall any man ever melting down as long and as hard and as continuously as you. It's embarrassing to watch, seriously.
Rich coming from a 43 year old loser at life and itruly one of the most ignorant member on this board and then blames the "ruling class" for the lack of his success and then tries to compensate by claiming, "I value my free time."
Boo hoo hoo....
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Sure you do. That's why you're still here.
Another example of your clueless stupidity.
:D
That's ^ really why I am here.
And this thread gives plenty thanks to your inferiority complex.
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You might have missed it in another thread:
But go on pedolust. I can't wait for another wall of text to skip thru.
I'll try but it's hard to take you seriously after reading posts like this:
Just imagining you lying in bed with tears dripping down your cheeks as you feel so sorry for yourself is just hilarious.
Things that used to inspire me, now seem bland and uninteresting, childish perhaps. But without any replacement or distractions, leave me empty and without a purpose.
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I'll try but it's hard to take you seriously after reading posts like this:
Just imagining you lying in bed with tears dripping down your cheeks as you feel so sorry for yourself is just hilarious.
Wrong again, buddy. Nowhere did I state I felt sorry for myself in any way.
Try not to use your imagination too much. It could lead to embarrasing suprises.
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what has this thread become?
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what has this thread become?
Sadly, not what I had intended. I appreciate the sincere responses I received though, as well as the discussion a couple of pages back.
Now it has just turned into yet another Pellius shitfest. In which ofcourse, I also played a part.
Would probably be best to just close it.
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Would probably be best to just close it.
So you're back on track?
Did the thread help you at all?
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So you're back on track?
Did the thread help you at all?
Working on it. Thread had some useful posts, as well as our discussion about behaviour 2 days ago or so. I'm currently looking to expand my interests aside from academia and sports, and have also been sober for a while now.
One thing I realized though, is that being confined to a single space and unable to do much (when I was sick) can drive me utterly insane.
I rarely get sick, but if I do, next time I'll try to go for walks or something.
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Working on it. Thread had some useful posts, as well as our discussion about behaviour 2 days ago or so. I'm currently looking to expand my interests aside from academia and sports, and have also been sober for a while now.
One thing I realized though, is that being confined to a single space and unable to do much (when I was sick) can drive me utterly insane.
Nice to hear. :)
Yeah.
Being "imprisoned" sucks.
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There are many uncertainties in life, pellius continually melting down isn't one of them.
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You might have missed it in another thread:
But go on pedolust. I can't wait for another wall of text to skip thru.
Thanks for the link. I would have missed it as all my attention is on this and Harley's thread.
You're dismissed.
There's hope for you yet.
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what has this thread become?
I'm pwning everybody.
I PWNING THE WORLD!
COME AT ME, BRO!
ARRRGGGG!
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I need to clarify if you mean defending the veracity and credibility of the Bible or the existence of God.
If the former, than I cannot do it. There are so many parts that are allegorical, must be taken in their proper context, requires a preconceived bias perspective, and a substantial stretch of faith. I read the Bible regularly and I find it informative as well as an effective aid to help me sleep.
In short, it's a bit over my head.
If the debate is about evidence as to the existence of God. Then, yes, I can make a case that those that believe in God or Creator is not just based on blind faith. I, myself, was a pupil of Bertrand Russell and an Agnostic for nearly twenty years.
So it's not like I haven't struggled and examined the issues extensively.
And just to be clear, none of this has anything to do as to whether or not creation was a good idea, or even if a good job was done by a presumably omnipotent and benevolent being.
Thanks for the reply. I'm very interested in what evidence swayed you from agnosticism to Christianity. Please can you expand on this?
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Thanks for the reply. I'm very interested in what evidence swayed you from agnosticism to Christianity. Please can you expand on this?
Bump....
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Thanks for the reply. I'm very interested in what evidence swayed you from agnosticism to Christianity. Please can you expand on this?
Sure, but I will have to start a separate thread. It's not something that one can explain with just a couple of lines.
I want to make clear that I can't prove the existence of God. In fact, I don't really like the term "evidence" as in I can provide "evidence" for the existence of God. I prefer the term "arguments". I have "arguments" that "argue" for the the existence of God.
My point is to prove that a theist, some theist if not most, don't just take a blind leap of faith. That it's not just based on emotion and how they wish and want things to be and not how they are. That there does exist real scientific and cosmological based arguments (stop snickering) to argue for the existence of God.
I will need some time to organize my thoughts and do justice to this very important and grave topic. And I will refer you to the link of thread on this thread when I am finished.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm very interested in what evidence swayed you from agnosticism to Christianity. Please can you expand on this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=604994.0