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from the recent photos of muscletime, it's apparent that yates 93 showing is the best of all time.
his form has it all.
many shots of yates have been posted on this board, many by clowns trying to find and post the worst pics they can find of dorian.
shots like that exist for everyone.
however, when their best is presented, that is what should be used (for everyone) for evaluations.
when the best of yates is shown, he is the best.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44974-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-44.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44921-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44885-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
notice everyone looking at dorian.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25192-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25160-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/11890-4/1993-mr-olympia-150.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4113-10/1993-mr-olympia-99-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4103-11/1993-mr-olympia-96-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4077-10/1993-mr-olympia-88-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
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from the recent photos of muscletime, it's apparent that yates 93 showing is the best of all time.
his form has it all.
many shots of yates have been posted on this board, many by clowns trying to find and post the worst pics they can find of dorian.
shots like that exist for everyone.
however, when their best is presented, that is what should be used (for everyone) for evaluations.
when the best of yates is shown, he is the best.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44974-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-44.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44921-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44885-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
notice everyone looking at dorian.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25192-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25160-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/11890-4/1993-mr-olympia-150.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4113-10/1993-mr-olympia-99-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4103-11/1993-mr-olympia-96-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4077-10/1993-mr-olympia-88-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
They already melted down over these pics lol
That physique is flawless he lacks NOTHING besides aesthetics Yates at among his best NO excuses , no torn muscles
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way too many yates threads right now. did this relly need its own thread? no.
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when the best of yates is shown, he is the best.
nope ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman47.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman41.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman23.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman14.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman33.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie96.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman30.jpg)
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wow its amazing that no matters how amny time u see yates the keg pix he still manages to astound u by looking shittier each times
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93 was definitely his best year, some great shots of Yates, thanks for posting.
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Dillet is owning yates in the pic with both of them...
Dillet should have been a Mr. O.
Son, Dillet had a back MIA and couldn't pose /dev/null
He looked great @ the '93 ASC alongside Flex etc.
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Good to see you guys always discussing current events... ::)
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from the recent photos of muscletime, it's apparent that yates 93 showing is the best of all time.
his form has it all.
many shots of yates have been posted on this board, many by clowns trying to find and post the worst pics they can find of dorian.
shots like that exist for everyone.
however, when their best is presented, that is what should be used (for everyone) for evaluations.
when the best of yates is shown, he is the best.
Dorian 1993 is his best in the sense that he had both biceps and was, thus, complete. Overral though he was at his best in 1995, when he coupled his fantastic conditioning with a fullness and roundness to his muscle bellies that he lacked in 93'. Watch the videos, then compare, and you'll see that Dorian's muscles looked fuller and rounder in 95' while his skin was still paper-thin.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Unbeatable. Good thread.
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Ronnie won more Olympia titles...
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Ronnie won more Olympia titles...
Dorian won more of them with straight-firsts scores... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian won more of them with straight-firsts scores... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
and...?
Ronnie got 8.
Dorian deserved probably 2-3 of his wins. The last few years were a joke. Nasser got ripped off.
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and...?
Ronnie got 8.
Dorian deserved probably 2-3 of his wins. The last few years were a joke. Nasser got ripped off.
Ronnie didn't deserve 2001, 2002 and 2004. 2003 is debatable, but I don't think he deserved that either. And the only reason why Ronnie has more wins is because Dorian retired due to injuries. The fact that Dorian won more Olympia titles against a prime Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Dillet, etc, speaks volumes about who was the most dominant Olympian between the two.;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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nope ;)
If you really felt that way you wouldn't have posted in this thread ;)
Dorian controls your mind
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Ronnie won more Olympia titles...
Against who? guys past their primes that Dorian DOMINATED when they were in their primes and he just barely beat them lol Dorian faced a much higher caliber of competitor than Ronnie ever did
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i fucking hate dorian vs ron threads.
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i fucking hate dorian vs ron threads.
Then you hate Ron fan's because this was a Yates thread and low and behold they see the name Dorian , they see red Dorian owns' their minds
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yeah you see these puffers too much.
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Wasn't this the year he had his ears surgically pinned back? Previously they stuck out like Will Smith's
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At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest. The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
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At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest. The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
then Ronnie came out in 1998 and Sammir never spoke again ...
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If you really felt that way you wouldn't have posted in this thread
no, just correcting ignorance when I see it.
Dorian controls your mind
following your rationale, Ronnie must control your mind b/c you've posted in every Ronnie thread. ;)
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Against who? guys past their primes that Dorian DOMINATED when they were in their primes and he just barely beat them lol Dorian faced a much higher caliber of competitor than Ronnie ever did
Dorian didn't face a "much higher caliber of competitors." That's a lie. Besides Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone and Nasser, who else stood a realistic chance of beating Dorian? Ronnie competed against a prime Chris Cormier in 99, Jay Cutler in 01, and a near best Kevin at the 99 British GP.
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WOLF looks better than ronnie and dorian
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no, just correcting ignorance when I see it.
following your rationale, Ronnie must control your mind b/c you've posted in every Ronnie thread. ;)
no, just correcting ignorance when I see it.
you'd have to know what you're talking about in order to do that ;)
following your rationale, Ronnie must control your mind b/c you've posted in every Ronnie thread. ;)
if that was the case you might be working with something , but there have been dozens of Ronnie threads I never touched and just as many Yates ones I never posted it ;) you people see " NarcissisticDeity " at the end of a thread and you have this compulsion to follow me
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Dorian didn't face a "much higher caliber of competitors." That's a lie. Besides Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone and Nasser, who else stood a realistic chance of beating Dorian? Ronnie competed against a prime Chris Cormier in 99, Jay Cutler in 01, and a near best Kevin at the 99 British GP.
NO ONE stood a chance of of beating Yates with the sole exception of Flex Wheeler and the higher caliber included a rich & deep field of very well conditioned athletes , the guys in the early to mids 90s were at the pinnacle conditioned size , Dorian beat Nasser , Shawn Ray , Flex and Kevin near their absolute best , not to mention Labrada , Momo , Dillett , Ronnie beat these guys when they were past their prime , who Levrone in 2000 & 2002 who came close to beat Ronnie LMFAO Dorian at his worse destroyed these guys and Ronnie almost got crushed by them , same with Flex who Dorian crushed who Ronnie at among his best ever 1998 almost got beat by lol Dorian would have obliterated Flex 1998 , Ronnie just barely beat him
Dorian dominated the 90s
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then Ronnie came out in 1998 and Sammir never spoke again ...
1998 Ronnie was a deserving winner even with the bitch-tits but Dorian at his best would crumble Ronnie 1998 , Ronnie just barely beat Flex Wheeler by just 2 points among the closest Mr Olympia contests in the history of the sport , Dorian would have crushed Flex 1998 and walked all over Ronnie 98 etc , etc
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Has the quality of physique seen on the pro stage these days changed much compared to when you were competing as a professional?
I don't think the physiques have changed radically. I think a lot of people are trying to go the size route. My sole goal when getting ready for a contest was not building a lot of size, although when I was coming up pure muscle size was still very important. I was always really concerned about coming in very sharp conditioning wise.
I think that is lacking a little bit now, and it has occurred over the past few years. You go to a pro show now and you see a couple of guys who are in really good shape and the rest of the lineup is so-so, or not so good. Back when I was competing in the Olympia I think you saw a lot of guys who were in really good shape.
There was a greater emphasis on conditioning, but now you see guys going for size at the expense of conditioning. It seems strange me saying that, as I was known for my muscle size, but it was not my priority in getting ready for a contest. Obviously I carried a lot of muscle but my main thing was to come in super-ripped
Dorian commenting on exactly what I was talking about
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you'd have to know what you're talking about in order to do that
funny you should say that when Joe Weider, Team Flex, Team MD, Lonnie Teper, and numerous professional bodybuilders arrived at the same conclusion as me. ;)
if that was the case you might be working with something , but there have been dozens of Ronnie threads I never touched and just as many Yates ones I never posted it you people see " NarcissisticDeity " at the end of a thread and you have this compulsion to follow me
likewise, buddy. I haven't posted in every Dorian thread either. ;)
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funny you should say that when Joe Weider, Team Flex, Team MD, Lonnie Teper, and numerous professional bodybuilders arrived at the same conclusion as me. ;)
likewise, buddy. I haven't posted in every Dorian thread either. ;)
funny you should say that when Joe Weider, Team Flex, Team MD, Lonnie Teper, and numerous professional bodybuilders arrived at the same conclusion as me. ;)
they all said Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian? better density & dryness? better posing & presentation? nope thats you trying to connect the dots again
likewise, buddy. I haven't posted in every Dorian thread either. ;)
who said you did? you said I did and you were wrong as usual , and the point still stands you follow ME and at times Dorian around ;)
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funny you should say that when Joe Weider, Team Flex, Team MD, Lonnie Teper, and numerous professional bodybuilders arrived at the same conclusion as me. ;)
likewise, buddy. I haven't posted in every Dorian thread either. ;)
oh and NONE of them agreed that 2003 was his prime showing either lol shall I continue?
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NO ONE stood a chance of of beating Yates with the sole exception of Flex Wheeler and the higher caliber included a rich & deep field of very well conditioned athletes , the guys in the early to mids 90s were at the pinnacle conditioned size , Dorian beat Nasser , Shawn Ray , Flex and Kevin near their absolute best , not to mention Labrada , Momo , Dillett , Ronnie beat these guys when they were past their prime , who Levrone in 2000 & 2002 who came close to beat Ronnie LMFAO Dorian at his worse destroyed these guys and Ronnie almost got crushed by them , same with Flex who Dorian crushed who Ronnie at among his best ever 1998 almost got beat by lol Dorian would have obliterated Flex 1998 , Ronnie just barely beat him
a lot of irrelevant babble in your post. None of the guys you mentioned stood a chance of beating Dorian except Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, or Nasser. Shawn, Labrada, and Momo? No. They were all too small. Paul Dillet with his crappy back? No. Since 83, the Mr. Olympia has gone to the bodybuilder with the best back. Ronnie beat a prime Chris Cormier, who in my opinion is better than Flex or Kevin, and Jay who would give Nasser a run for his money.
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they all said Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian? better density & dryness? better posing & presentation? nope thats you trying to connect the dots again
they all said Ronnie at his best is unbeatable and the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. That's all that matters since this discussion is not about who has the best balance or posing. ;)
who said you did? you said I did and you were wrong as usual , and the point still stands you follow ME and at times Dorian around
you insinuated it when you claimed Dorian controls my mind. If this is true, then Ronnie must control your mind since you're guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. As for me following you around, I don't know wtf you are talking about. You didn't start this thread and the post I responded to wasn't even from you. It was from IceCold. But you go ahead believing that I follow you around if that makes you feel special.
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a lot of irrelevant babble in your post. None of the guys you mentioned stood a chance of beating Dorian except Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, or Nasser. Shawn, Labrada, and Momo? No. They were all too small. Paul Dillet with his crappy back? No. Since 83, the Mr. Olympia has gone to the bodybuilder with the best back. Ronnie beat a prime Chris Cormier, who in my opinion is better than Flex or Kevin, and Jay who would give Nasser a run for his money.
yeah I thought so ;)
and the topic of Chris being better than Flex is in direct opposition with the judges decision but this wouldn't be the first time would it ;) just like the Yates quote on the quality of competitor going down hill since he retired in 1997 lol
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yeah I thought so
already conceding defeat I see. ;)
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they all said Ronnie at his best is unbeatable and the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. That's all that matters since this discussion is not about who has the best balance or posing. ;)
you insinuated it when you claimed Dorian controls my mind. If this is true, then Ronnie must control your mind since you're guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. As for me following you around, I don't know wtf you are talking about. You didn't start this thread and the post I responded to was from IceCold - NOT you. But you go ahead believing that I follow you around if that makes you feel special.
they all said Ronnie at his best is unbeatable and the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. That's all that matters since this discussion is not about who has the best balance or posing. ;)
statistically he is the best bodybuilder ever , unbeatable is laughable thats purely subjective and the point still stands you Neoseminole don't know what you're talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding , this is a proven fact I've corrected you on MANY points and thought YOU how contests are judged not visa versa
you insinuated it when you claimed Dorian controls my mind. If this is true, then Ronnie must control your mind since you're guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. As for me following you around, I don't know wtf you are talking about. You didn't start this thread and the post I responded to was from IceCold - NOT you. But you go ahead believing that I follow you around if that makes you feel special.
And NO I'm not guilty of the same thing I stopped posting in the truce thread YOU didn't ;) YOU and the other trolls infect every thread I post in or anything that contains the words Dorian Yates , you to a lesser extent but again that's the difference
and I could post all the threads that YOU have responded to me directly or followed the word yates , but I could care less , Dorian is in your mind I walked away from the truce thread and the truce thread follows me ( you , hulkster , pumpster , etc )
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already conceding defeat I see. ;)
I'm sure you believe that just like you believe 2003 was his best showing lol ;)
next
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statistically he is the best bodybuilder ever , unbeatable is laughable thats purely subjective and the point still stands you Neoseminole don't know what you're talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding , this is a proven fact I've corrected you on MANY points and thought YOU how contests are judged not visa versa
silly boy, when will you learn that bodybuilding is a subjective sport? The point still stands that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding. This is a proven fact I've corrected you on many points and taught you how contests are judged - not vice versa.
And NO I'm not guilty of the same thing I stopped posting in the truce thread YOU didn't YOU and the other trolls infect every thread I post in or anything that contains the words Dorian Yates , you to a lesser extent but again that's the difference
ha ha ha, wow you are such an idiot. That's like me saying "you follow me around like a lost puppy b/c you post in every thread I post in." Did you ever stop to consider that maybe we post in the same threads b/c we share similar interests?
and I could post all the threads that YOU have responded to me directly or followed the word yates , but I could care less , Dorian is in your mind I walked away from the truce thread and the truce thread follows me ( you , hulkster , pumpster , etc )
good job. I could do the same for you. I guess Ronnie must be in your mind too. ::)
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I'm sure you believe that just like you believe 2003 was his best showing lol
you mean like how you believe Dorian has better arms than Ronnie? ;)
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silly boy, when will you learn that bodybuilding is a subjective sport? The point still stands that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding. This is a proven fact I've corrected you on many points and taught you how contests are judged - not vice versa.
ha ha ha, wow you are such an idiot. That's like me saying "you follow me around like a lost puppy b/c you post in every thread I post in." Did you ever stop to consider that maybe we post in the same threads b/c we share similar interests?
good job. I could do the same for you. I guess Ronnie must be in your mind too. ::)
silly boy, when will you learn that bodybuilding is a subjective sport? The point still stands that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding. This is a proven fact I've corrected you on many points and taught you how contests are judged - not vice versa.
No its not , subjective is comparing one champion to another from different eras thats very subjective , who is harder & drier isn't thats black & white , who's calves are in proportion with their quads is NOT subjective , who's forearms are in proportion with their biceps/triceps isn't subjective , just more examples of your ignorance , keep following my lead as well its all you can do
ha ha ha, wow you are such an idiot. That's like me saying "you follow me around like a lost puppy b/c you post in every thread I post in." Did you ever stop to consider that maybe we post in the same threads b/c we share similar interests?
Who stopped posting in the truce thread? Me ;) who responds to a great majority of my posts? YOU and Hulkster how can you do so if you're not following me around ? its not just me its Dorian and Me because you're still trying to prove you're right and have failed at every turn , the same interests is ME ;)
good job. I could do the same for you. I guess Ronnie must be in your mind too. ::)
you could try and imitate me you've done it many times before , and believe what you like you're already in fantasy land :)
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you mean like how you believe Dorian has better arms than Ronnie? ;)
Better forearms absolutely , better triceps sure ;) better biceps NO better balance throughout his arm yes
and you believe 2003 is his best showing , and he's harder & drier than Dorian , etc , etc , etc I will laugh at you like I always do
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This is exactly why he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round
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This is exactly why he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round
Increadible condationing.. :o.. is there anyone around TODAY (at 255+ LBS) that can match or surpass that.. ??? ???
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Increadible condationing.. :o.. is there anyone around TODAY (at 255+ LBS) that can match or surpass that.. ??? ???
Nope lots of bigger guys now but that conditioning & size and density is still unmatched
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This is exactly why he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round
no, his muscularity had nothing to do with it
he didn't need to be included because the judges were not doing their job properly - they didn't care what his physique looked like they were going to give him first place no matter what..
how competent judges could 'not include' a competitor in a round and still score him is beyond unbelievable.. ::)
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no, his muscularity had nothing to do with it
he didn't need to be included because the judges were not doing their job properly - they didn't care what his physique looked like they were going to give him first place no matter what..
how competent judges could 'not include' a competitor in a round and still score him is beyond unbelievable.. ::)
all 13 judges came to that same conclusion lol it speaks VOLUMES on how fantastic Yates was that never happened to Ronnie did it? ;)
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for the record, I have never seen any shot from 1995 that even come close to these 93 shots of dorian.
he was far and above in his best shape ever in 1993, not 1995..
even though he likes to claim 95 was his best..
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for the record, I have never seen any shot from 1995 that even come close to these 93 shots of dorian.
he was far and above in his best shape ever in 1993, not 1995..
even though he likes to claim 95 was his best..
its a toss up between 1995 and 1993 , if you want to kntipick 93 because he has no torn muscles in some pics I'd say 1995 and others 1993 and it doesn't matter both versions would make short work of Ronnie ;)
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all 13 judges came to that same conclusion lol it speaks VOLUMES on how fantastic Yates was that never happened to Ronnie did it? ;)
no it didn't - the judging was impartial during his reign.
not so much in the 90's. that was the decade where the Mr./Ms. O never lost no matter how bad they looked compared to their competition. and it was even worse with the women than it was with the men.
thats pretty clear just by looking at all these anti dorian threads, the pics of him getting owned all the time, and the fact that all the time he was given 'perfect' scores... ::)
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no it didn't - the judging was impartial during his reign.
not so much in the 90's. that was the decade where the Mr./Ms. O never lost no matter how bad they looked compared to their competition. and it was even worse with the women than it was with the men.
thats pretty clear just by looking at all these anti dorian threads, the pics of him getting owned all the time, and the fact that all the time he was given 'perfect' scores... ::)
Hey same lame excuses as before , same judges for Dorian as for Ronnie ;) what now?
Dorian easily beat Flex Wheeler who was almost prime in 1993 , Ronnie had to fight a not prime Flex tooth & nail and only beat him by 3 points LMFAO that tells an intelligent person Dorian would crush Ronnie too
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from the recent photos of muscletime, it's apparent that yates 93 showing is the best of all time.
his form has it all.
many shots of yates have been posted on this board, many by clowns trying to find and post the worst pics they can find of dorian.
shots like that exist for everyone.
however, when their best is presented, that is what should be used (for everyone) for evaluations.
when the best of yates is shown, he is the best.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44974-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-44.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44921-4/1993-mr-olympia-bw-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44885-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
notice everyone looking at dorian.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25192-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25160-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-13.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/11890-4/1993-mr-olympia-150.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4113-10/1993-mr-olympia-99-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4103-11/1993-mr-olympia-96-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4077-10/1993-mr-olympia-88-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
dorian looked great that year, no doubt about it.
but best of all time?
sorry, but there is this other Mr. O. that can own him. see for yourself:
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more owning of dorian's best 8)
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dorian looked great that year, no doubt about it.
but best of all time?
sorry, but there is this other Mr. O. that can own him. see for yourself:
Dorian advantage in balance & proportion , Dorian advantage in density & dryness . Dorian better posing & presentation , Dorian more complete , Dorian win by armbar ;)
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Dorian advantage in balance & proportion , Dorian advantage in density & dryness . Dorian better posing & presentation , Dorian more complete , Dorian win by armbar ;)
too bad none of what you claim is validated by real life :-\:
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No its not , subjective is comparing one champion to another from different eras thats very subjective , who is harder & drier isn't thats black & white , who's calves are in proportion with their quads is NOT subjective , who's forearms are in proportion with their biceps/triceps isn't subjective , just more examples of your ignorance , keep following my lead as well its all you can do
your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses. Who's to say a difference of 1-2% body fat outweighs a 30 lbs difference in size? Who's to say calves are more important than arms? Who's to say balance is more prized than muscle shape? My point is that everyone attaches their own importance to each criteria. Bodybuilding is a subjective sport. If it were objective as you say, then judges and fans should always agree on the placings since objectivity exist independent of the observer. ;)
Who stopped posting in the truce thread? Me who responds to a great majority of my posts? YOU and Hulkster how can you do so if you're not following me around ? its not just me its Dorian and Me because you're still trying to prove you're right and have failed at every turn , the same interests is ME
oh brother! I've seen you posting in Ronnie threads. You also respond to a great majority of Hulkster's and my posts. So according to your logic, you're following us around. ::)
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Better forearms absolutely , better triceps sure better biceps NO better balance throughout his arm yes
better biceps? No. Better triceps? No. Better forearms? Perhaps. Better overall? No. A body part such as arms has to look better in more than 1 pose for it to be considered better. Name 1 other pose besides side triceps where Dorian's arms look more impressive.
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oh brother! I've seen you posting in Ronnie threads. You also respond to a great majority of Hulkster's and my posts. So according to your logic, you're following us around
ND is the ultimate puppy dog.
it doesn't matter what time of day I post, he responds 2 seconds later
he must have my posts flagged or something.. :-\
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silly boy, when will you learn that bodybuilding is a subjective sport? The point still stands that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to competitive bodybuilding. This is a proven fact I've corrected you on many points and taught you how contests are judged - not vice versa.
ha ha ha, wow you are such an idiot. That's like me saying "you follow me around like a lost puppy b/c you post in every thread I post in." Did you ever stop to consider that maybe we post in the same threads b/c we share similar interests?
good job. I could do the same for you. I guess Ronnie must be in your mind too.
This f.a.g.g.o.t basicaly parrots our posts word by word and he thinks he's proving something. He has pretty much nothing to say, and all of his "arguments" revolve around playing with semantics to claim that we said things we didn't really mean, or that our entire response to his posts is wrong because we misenterpretated a single word in his post, etc. This is SemenHole's tactics when he gets owned: manipulate the meaning of the words in his post that got addressed and proved wrong, and make it seem like we were responding to something he never claimed in the first place. It gets boring after a while, because the fag has no honor or shame whatsoever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This handsome fella basicaly parrots our posts word by word and he thinks he's proving something. He has pretty much nothing to say, and all of his "arguments" revolve around playing with semantics to claim that we said things we didn't really mean, or that our entire response to his posts is wrong because we misenterpretated a single word in his post, etc. This is Sir NeoSeminole's tactics when he gets owned: manipulate the meaning of the words in his post that got addressed and proved wrong, and make it seem like we were responding to something he never claimed in the first place. It gets boring after a while, because the stud has no honor or shame whatsoever.
you lost too, puppy dog? :D
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you lost too, puppy dog? :D
The only puppy dog here is you. You start almost every response to our posts by parroting our posts word by word. It's pretty sad and pathetic. It's sad that I lost so much of my time arguing with such a delusional moron. Hey, SemenHole, tell us all how Ronnie gained an average of 5 lbs of lean mass a year after he became Mr.Olympia and thus carried 10 lbs more of muscle at the 2001 ASC than he did at the 1999 Olympia despite being 10 lbs lighter/ Bwa ha ha ha...what a fucking retard. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The only puppy dog here is you. You start almost every response to our posts by parroting our posts word by word. It's pretty sad and pathetic. It's sad that I lost so much of my time arguing with such a brilliant man. Hey, Sir NeoSeminole, tell us all how Ronnie gained an average of 5 lbs of lean mass a year after he became Mr.Olympia and thus carried 10 lbs more of muscle at the 2001 ASC than he did at the 1999 Olympia despite being 10 lbs lighter/ Bwa ha ha ha...what a genius.
oh noes! Puh-leaze dont kill mae wit ur bare hands!!! :D
On more than one occasion, I felt an undescribable urge to murder some of the posters of this board, for some commentaries they made at the time. In all honesty, if they were standing in front of me, I think I would have killed them. I'm dead serious, man. I thank my lucky stars they were away from me, because otherwise I'd be on death row, or facing a life-term. As an example, I killed my neighbors german shephard with my bare hands, by breaking his spine.
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your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses. Who's to say a difference of 1-2% body fat outweighs a 30 lbs difference in size? Who's to say calves are more important than arms? Who's to say balance is more prized than muscle shape? My point is that everyone attaches their own importance to each criteria. Bodybuilding is a subjective sport. If it were objective as you say, then judges and fans should always agree on the placings since objectivity exist independent of the observer. ;)
oh brother! I've seen you posting in Ronnie threads. You also respond to a great majority of Hulkster's and my posts. So according to your logic, you're following us around. ::)
your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses. Who's to say a difference of 1-2% body fat outweighs a 30 lbs difference in size? Who's to say calves are more important than arms? Who's to say balance is more prized than muscle shape? My point is that everyone attaches their own importance to each criteria. Bodybuilding is a subjective sport. If it were objective as you say, then judges and fans should always agree on the placings since objectivity exist independent of the observer. ;)
the irony of you claiming my thinking is limited , when your thinking is limited to your ignorance of how competitive bodybuilding is judged . and how the fuck did you come to the conclusion the difference in bodyfat is 1-2% ? I want an explanation please elaborate on this gem and 30 pounds of what? if Ronnie matched his 2001 Arnold Classic conditioning while being 287 pounds you'd be working with something but he's not even close , the difference between conditioning from 1998 and 1999 was noticeable enough to warrant a comment the difference between 1998 in terms of conditioning and 2003 is staggering
who says calves are more important than arms? well you're already working under the assumption Dorian doesn't have arms which is a lie because you know better , Dorian has better triceps/forearms the difference in biceps is staggering obviously just like the difference between calves is night & day , and to answer your question calves are a lost more important than biceps and why? because as you already know calves can been single in every single pose from every single angle , biceps can't but you know this already
And your statement that ' everyone attaches their own importance to each criteria ' is just another example of your blatant ignorance of how competitive bodybuilding is judged , you're not ignorant let me amend that because I've explained to you how contests work , so you're not ignorant just stupid. let me remind you all rounds are physique rounds the judges DO NOT attach their own importance to the criteria ALL the criteria is applied at once in every single pose from every single angle
And comparing one champion to another from another era is very subjective the judging criteria is NOT and the obvious reason is the fans and the judges don't always agree is? the fans DO NOT KNOW how contests are judged and the judges do you , Hulkster , pumpster and countless other still can't grasp how professional contests are judged , they always ponder how Yates' can win the the symmetry round despite not being as ' symmetrical ' as some of his contemporaries , how could he possibly win the posing rounds despite not being a classic poser like Lee Labrada , and how did he win? all rounds are physique rounds
Balance - A term referring to an even relationship of body proportions in a man's physique. Perfectly balanced phys-ical proportions are a much-sought-after trait among competitive bodybuilders.
perfectly balanced proportions are much sought after trait Dorian has the advantage especially over Ronnie 2003
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Dorian has a clear cut advantage in density especially over Ronnie 2003 its night & day not some 1-2% ::) now combine Dorian's advantage in balance & his advantage in density & dryness his completeness his advantage in posing & presentation he would make short work Ronnie 2003
oh brother! I've seen you posting in Ronnie threads. You also respond to a great majority of Hulkster's and my posts. So according to your logic, you're following us around. ::)
I respond to your posts and his AFTER you people follow me around , and at times I do respond to your posts and his but the vast majority if you people following ME you can't keep the debate in the truce thread seeing I don't post there so you follow me around ;)
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This f.a.g.g.o.t basicaly parrots our posts word by word and he thinks he's proving something. He has pretty much nothing to say, and all of his "arguments" revolve around playing with semantics to claim that we said things we didn't really mean, or that our entire response to his posts is wrong because we misenterpretated a single word in his post, etc. This is SemenHole's tactics when he gets owned: manipulate the meaning of the words in his post that got addressed and proved wrong, and make it seem like we were responding to something he never claimed in the first place. It gets boring after a while, because the fag has no honor or shame whatsoever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
dead on the money , he likes to try and bog the debate down with word games he loves to toy with words but what else can he do? he doesn't have anything he's have to know how the game is played and even when I teach him how its done its another semantics game lol
he's like Hulkster in the absurdity of his claims now the difference between conditioning between Dorian 1993/1995 and Ronnie 2003 was 1-2% LMFAO how he came to this conclusion is beyond me ??? but hey he thinks he's right about a lot of things and he's always in contrast with the judges
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the irony of you claiming my thinking is limited , when your thinking is limited to your ignorance of how competitive bodybuilding is judged.
yawn, arguing with you is like arguing with a child.
Me: your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses
HD: nah-uh, your way of thinking is limited.
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and how the fuck did you come to the conclusion the difference in bodyfat is 1-2% ? I want an explanation please elaborate on this gem and 30 pounds of what? if Ronnie matched his 2001 Arnold Classic conditioning while being 287 pounds you'd be working with something but he's not even close , the difference between conditioning from 1998 and 1999 was noticeable enough to warrant a comment the difference between 1998 in terms of conditioning and 2003 is staggering
I was just estimating how much extra body fat Ronnie carried than Dorian. Nowhere did I say this is an exact figure. A difference of 1-2% body fat at 287 lbs can be anywhere from 3-6 lbs of fat. Since Ronnie in 03 was shredded from head to toe, it's safe to assume he was under 2%. You don't get striated glutes carrying an extra 6 lbs of fat.
who says calves are more important than arms? well you're already working under the assumption Dorian doesn't have arms which is a lie because you know better , Dorian has better triceps/forearms the difference in biceps is staggering obviously just like the difference between calves is night & day , and to answer your question calves are a lost more important than biceps and why? because as you already know calves can been single in every single pose from every single angle , biceps can't but you know this already
show me where I said Dorian doesn't have arms. Go ahead. I'll wait. To counter your argment that calves are more important than arms, IFBB contest history shows us that judges favor arms over calves. Larry Scott, Sergio Oliva, Arnold, and Ronnie are all known for their arms. Other than Dorian, which Mr. Olympian is known for his calves? Let's look at other contests besides the Mr. Olympia. Flex Wheeler, Dexter Jackson, and Darrem Charles all have impressive arms and have won a show despite having poor calves.
And your statement that ' everyone attaches their own importance to each criteria ' is just another example of your blatant ignorance of how competitive bodybuilding is judged , you're not ignorant let me amend that because I've explained to you how contests work , so you're not ignorant just stupid. let me remind you all rounds are physique rounds the judges DO NOT attach their own importance to the criteria ALL the criteria is applied at once in every single pose from every single angle
ha ha ha, lay off the crack son. You're naive if you believe the judges follow a rubric that says "if bodybuilder A carries 1% more body fat than bodybuilder B but weighs 20 lbs more, the decision should go to B." It's up to the judges to interpret and apply the criteria hence why the sport of bodybuilding is subjective.
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yawn, arguing with you is like arguing with a child.
Me: your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses
HD: nah-uh, your way of thinking is limited.
::)
I was just estimating how much extra body fat Ronnie carried than Dorian. Nowhere did I say this is an exact figure. A difference of 1-2% body fat at 287 lbs can be anywhere from 3-6 lbs of fat. Since Ronnie in 03 was shredded from head to toe, it's safe to assume he was under 2%. You don't get striated glutes carrying an extra 6 lbs of fat.
show me where I said Dorian doesn't have arms. Go ahead. I'll wait. To counter your argment that calves are more important than arms, IFBB contest history shows us that judges favor arms over calves. Larry Scott, Sergio Oliva, Arnold, and Ronnie are all known for their arms. Other than Dorian, which Mr. Olympian is known for his calves? Let's look at other contests besides the Mr. Olympia. Flex Wheeler, Dexter Jackson, and Darrem Charles all have impressive arms and have a show despite having poor calves.
ha ha ha, lay off the crack son. You're naive if you believe the judges follow a rubric that says "if bodybuilder A carries 1% more body fat than bodybuilder B but weighs 20 lbs more, the decision should go to B." It's up to the judges to interpret and apply the criteria hence why the sport of bodybuilding is subjective.
yawn, arguing with you is like arguing with a child.
Me: your limited way of thinking is evident by your responses
HD: nah-uh, your way of thinking is limited.
no ND shows exactly why you're limited in your thinking and has proven it . recap you're limited by ignorance , because you don't know how contests are judged and bias I've provided example thanks for shying away from a cognizant reply you just reaffirmed what I stated
I was just estimating how much extra body fat Ronnie carried than Dorian. Nowhere did I say this is an exact figure. A difference of 1-2% body fat at 287 lbs can be anywhere from 3-6 lbs of fat. Since Ronnie in 03 was shredded from head to toe, it's safe to assume he was under 2%. You don't get striated glutes carrying an extra 6 lbs of fat.
LMFAO you were estimating , just like you estimated the scale of those horrendous ' comparisons ' you made too lol you didn't say it was an exact figure but you didn't claim it was an estimate either , you came up with that gem only when called on your fantasy conclusions Ronnie 03 wasn't shredded from head to toe either , shredded from head to toe would be 1998/2001 and that ain't it fan-boy and yeah you can have striated glutes and still be holding intramuscular fat , see ignorance , see limited abilities
show me where I said Dorian doesn't have arms. Go ahead. I'll wait. To counter your argment that calves are more important than arms, IFBB contest history shows us that judges favor arms over calves. Larry Scott, Sergio Oliva, Arnold, and Ronnie are all known for their arms. Other than Dorian, which Mr. Olympian is known for his calves? Let's look at other contests besides the Mr. Olympia. Flex Wheeler, Dexter Jackson, and Darrem Charles all have impressive arms and have a show despite having poor calves.
I love how your always trying to connect the dots , if this one and that one did this than see what would happen lol you're such an ignorant fan-boy and you're trying to bog this down into a battle of semantics who care about the parts? its about the whole package from head toe and the point still stands sub-par biceps can be hidden poor calves CAN NOT
ha ha ha, lay off the crack son. You're naive if you believe the judges follow a rubric that says "if bodybuilder A carries 1% more body fat than bodybuilder B but weighs 20 lbs more, the decision should go to B." It's up to the judges to interpret and apply the criteria hence why the sport of bodybuilding is subjective.
the judges follow something called the judging criteria and it calls for the judges to follow a set of criterion that will allow them to determine who has the superior physique , the criteria isn't subjective its black & white either someone is dry & hard or they ain't if , either someone's calves are in proportion with their quads or they ain't , either someone is carrying a lot of musclar bulk or they ain't , judges take into consideration ALL of the criteria in every single pose because all rounds are physique rounds
come back when you learn how contests are judged and then we'll talk until then I'll just keep correcting your ignorance
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no ND shows exactly why you're limited in your thinking and has proven it . recap you're limited by ignorance , because you don't know how contests are judged and bias I've provided example thanks for shying away from a cognizant reply you just reaffirmed what I stated
wrong, I've shown how you're limited in your thinking and proven it. Recap: You're limited by ignorance b/c you don't know how contests are judged and bias. I've provided plenty of examples. Thank for shying away from an intelligent response. You just confirmed what I've stated all along.
LMFAO you were estimating , just like you estimated the scale of those horrendous ' comparisons ' you made too lol you didn't say it was an exact figure but you didn't claim it was an estimate either , you came up with that gem only when called on your fantasy conclusions Ronnie 03 wasn't shredded from head to toe either , shredded from head to toe would be 1998/2001 and that ain't it fan-boy and yeah you can have striated glutes and still be holding intramuscular fat , see ignorance , see limited abilities
LOLLERSKATES, ROFLCOPTER, STEAMLOLLER, ROFLBROTHEL ::)
your arguments are lame. All you do is laugh like an idiot and change subjects. What do the comparisons I've made have to do with estimating body fat%?
I love how your always trying to connect the dots , if this one and that one did this than see what would happen lol you're such an ignorant fan-boy and you're trying to bog this down into a battle of semantics who care about the parts? its about the whole package from head toe and the point still stands sub-par biceps can be hidden poor calves CAN NOT
I love how you think by calling me a fan-body that you somehow countered my argument. I provided direct evidence supporting why arms are more important than calves. What do you have? Oh right, nothing. ;)
the judges follow something called the judging criteria and it calls for the judges to follow a set of criterion that will allow them to determine who has the superior physique , the criteria isn't subjective its black & white either someone is dry & hard or they ain't if , either someone's calves are in proportion with their quads or they ain't , either someone is carrying a lot of musclar bulk or they ain't , judges take into consideration ALL of the criteria in every single pose because all rounds are physique rounds
learn to read, dipshit. Nowhere did I dispute the objectiveness of deciding who has better muscular bulk or definition. My point is the judges attach their own importance to each criteria relative to another. One judge may favor conditioning slightly over size while another may feel the opposite way. When you can show me where it says in the IFBB judging criteria "if bodybuilder A carries 1% more body fat than bodybuilder B but weighs 20 lbs more, the decision should go to B," then I will listen.
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too bad none of what you claim is validated by real life :-\:
I like how Ronnie pictures are nearly always cut off at the knees. Hahahaha.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/20038-4/german-gp-1994-12.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=546fdcadea9bb366eb4efce3b2d19d27)
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wrong, I've shown how you're limited in your thinking and proven it. Recap: You're limited by ignorance b/c you don't know how contests are judged and bias. I've provided plenty of examples. Thank for shying away from an intelligent response. You just confirmed what I've stated all along.
LOLERSKATES, ROFLCOPTER, STEAMLOLLER, ROFLBROTHEL ::)
your arguments are lame. All you do is laugh like an idiot and change subjects. What do the comparisons I've made have to do with estimating body fat%?
I love how you think by calling me a fan-body that you somehow countered my argument. I provided direct evidence defending why arms are more important than calves. What do you have? Oh right, nothing. ;)
learn to read, dipshit. Nowhere did I dispute the objectiveness of deciding who has better muscular bulk or definition. My point is the judges attach their own importance to each criteria relative to another. One judge may favor conditioning slightly over size while another may feel the opposite way. When you can show me where it says in the IFBB judging criteria "if bodybuilder A carries 1% more body fat than bodybuilder B but weighs 20 lbs more, the decision should go to B," then I will listen.
wrong, I've shown how you're limited in your thinking and proven it. Recap: You're limited by ignorance b/c you don't know how contests are judged and bias. I've provided plenty of examples. Thank for shying away from an intelligent response. You just confirmed what I've stated all along.
Thanks for playing Neo we have some lovely parting gifts for you ;)
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I like how Ronnie pictures are nearly always cut off at the knees. Hahahaha.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/20038-4/german-gp-1994-12.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=546fdcadea9bb366eb4efce3b2d19d27)
lmfao for a very good reason
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Thanks for playing Neo we have some lovely parting gifts for you
translation: I can't think of an intelligent response. ;)
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translation: I can't think of an intelligent response. ;)
think what you like Neo , just like Ronnie 03 was his best showing , and the difference between conditioning is 1-2% , that balance & proportion are the same thing , etc , etc , etc
everything you ever typed has been addressed , corrected and dismissed I don't need to run from anything you type I could care less , the difference between you and Hulkster is he's scared to elaborate on his ' opinions ' out of fear of looking stupid , you on the other hand don't mind looking stupid ;)
I pick & choose when I want to play with my toys and when I want to put them back
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I like how Ronnie pictures are nearly always cut off at the knees. Hahahaha.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/20038-4/german-gp-1994-12.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=546fdcadea9bb366eb4efce3b2d19d27)
and I love how your Ronnie pics are always from 1992 or 1995 LOL ::)
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and I love how your Ronnie pics are always from 1992 or 1995 LOL ::)
just like the Yates pics you post when he's not at his best
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just like the Yates pics you post when he's not at his best
yeah, because 93 was not his best LOL ::)
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think what you like Neo , just like Ronnie 03 was his best showing , and the difference between conditioning is 1-2% , that balance & proportion are the same thing , etc , etc , etc
think what you like HD, just like Dorian has better arms, 95 was his best year, mediocre biceps can be hidden, he wouldn't look small next to a 287 lbs Ronnie, calves are more important than arms, conditioning and definition are the same, Dorian would beat Ronnie, etc etc etc. ::)
everything you ever typed has been addressed , corrected and dismissed I don't need to run from anything you type I could care less , the difference between you and Hulkster is he's scared to elaborate on his ' opinions ' out of fear of looking stupid , you on the other hand don't mind looking stupid
everything you ever typed has been addressed , corrected and dismissed I don't need to run from anything you type I could care less , the difference between you and Suckmyasshole is he runs from arguments he's losing to save face , you on the other hand don't mind looking stupid. ;)
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yeah, because 93 was not his best LOL ::)
notice how everyone is looking at Dorian on stage.
the guy was something else.
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yeah, because 93 was not his best LOL ::)
99% of the time we know the deal and FYI yates' is blowing Coleman away in this shot and spare me the striations plea amd motice how everyone is transfixed on Dorian for a very good reason
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notice how everyone is looking at Dorian on stage.
the guy was something else.
Great post ! no time in the history of bodybuilding has a bodybuilder been so dominant that he didn't even needed to be included in the muscularity round
that never happened to Ronnie , Flex 1999 turned his back on him LMFAO told the whole crowd he's number one
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yeah, because 93 was not his best LOL ::)
You 've got him there. ;D
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You 've got him there. ;D
He's got nothing because his M.O. is to post anything but great pictures and he posted it once wow he really got me ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233409.300
just one example do I really need to continue ?
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think what you like HD, just like Dorian has better arms, 95 was his best year, mediocre biceps can be hidden, he wouldn't look small next to a 287 lbs Ronnie, calves are more important than arms, conditioning and definition are the same, Dorian would beat Ronnie, etc etc etc. ::)
everything you ever typed has been addressed , corrected and dismissed I don't need to run from anything you type I could care less , the difference between you and Suckmyasshole is he runs from arguments he's losing to save face , you on the other hand don't mind looking stupid. ;)
crickets . crickets lol
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I'm stupid I'm stupid lol
yes you are! :)
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yes, you are! :)
Keep trying kid maybe one day you'll get even ;)
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Keep trying kid maybe one day you'll get even
there's no need for me to try. That implies I'm not at your level. I've already proven that you're thinking and reading skills are not up to par with mine. ;)
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R.I.P. Sonny transfixed by Yates dominance
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no time in the history of bodybuilding has a bodybuilder been so dominant that he didn't even needed to be included in the muscularity round
and no time in the history of bodybuilding was the judging so bad that something like that was allowed to occur.. ::)
I am GLAD it never happened to Ronnie. You act like it was a good thing that the judges didn't feel the need to call dorian out.
Ronnie didn't need impartial judges.
dorian made a career out of relying on them.. :-\
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I'm not at your level.
Old news
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R.I.P. Sonny transfixed by Yates dominance
actually he is astounded that a torso so big could have arms so small... :-X
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and no time in the history of bodybuilding was the judging so bad that something like that was allowed to occur.. ::)
I am GLAD it never happened to Ronnie. You act like it was a good thing that the judges didn't feel the need to call dorian out.
Ronnie didn't need impartial judges.
dorian made a career out of relying on them.. :-\
lmfao I'm glad Ronnie was never as good as Dorian
brutal selfownage
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lmfao I'm glad Ronnie was never as good as Dorian
brutal selfownage
you just dont get it do you?
if you understood judging, you would understand that judges not feeling the need to call someone out yet willing to score them anyway is the very definition of bias.
surely you must be able to understand the simple concept? ::)
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Flex Wheeler after Dorian handed him his ass in 1993 " Dorian is unbeatable "
Flex Wheeler after Ronnie beat him in 1999 " I'm number 1 "
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Flex Wheeler after Dorian handed him his ass in 1993 " Dorian is unbeatable "
Flex Wheeler after Ronnie beat him in 1999 " I'm number 1 "
LOL look at the size of flex's arms compared to the much heavier and 'more massive' dorian LOL
barrel with twigs..
not as proportionate as you love to claim.. ::)
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R.I.P. Sonny transfixed by Yates dominance
Jay transfixed by Ronnie's dominance. ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman152.jpg)
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you just dont get it do you?
if you understood judging, you would understand that judges not feeling the need to call someone out yet willing to score them anyway is the very definition of bias.
surely you must be able to understand the simple concept? ::)
wow I don't understand the judging lol well golla gee Hulkster why don't you teach me LMFAO you dummy Dorian was so far and beyond anything the sport has ever seen he didn't need to be included thats the ultimate sign of his superiority , what difference would it have made if he was compared? ;) would he have been any less dominating? would he has lost like you said he did to Flex Wheeler? lol
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I'm old
acceptance is the first step to recovery.
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LOL dorian only had glutes like that in ND's (wet) dreams... :-X
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Jay transfixed by Ronnie's dominance. ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman152.jpg)
yeah you're right his calves look the same size as Jay's LMFAO
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LOL dorian only had glutes like that in ND's (wet) dreams... :-X
if Ronnie only dominated like Dorian did ;)
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everything you ever typed has been addressed , corrected and dismissed I don't need to run from anything you type I could care less , the difference between you and Suckmyasshole is he runs from arguments he's losing to save face , you on the other hand don't mind looking stupid. ;)
Don't flatter yourself, SemenHole. You have yet to provide a single argument that I was unable to shoot down very easily. It just so happens that I'm bored with you. Yep. Same bullshit regurgitated over and over again. I am going to take a break and reply to you when and if I want to - you are going to be a good doggie and wait for your master to return from his break. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yeah you're right his calves look the same size as Jay's LMFAO
pray baby, pray!!! ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
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what difference would it have made if he was compared?
see what I mean?
what difference? ::)
the fact that you have to even ASK such a ridiculous questions shows you have no fucking clue how fair and impartial judging should be carried out and the protocols in place to assure this happens.. ::)
its called the comparsion round for a reason - you compare the competitors and assign them a score based on what you see.
you don't pull a score out of your ass without even comaring the competitors.. ::)
unless of course, your score and outcome is predetermined.. :-\ as was 1993..
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pray baby, pray!!! ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
Night and day , Jay wins by armbar
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see what I mean?
what difference? ::)
the fact that you have to even ASK such a ridiculous questions shows you have no fucking clue how fair and impartial judging should be carried out and the protocols in place to assure this happens.. ::)
its called the comparsion round for a reason - you compare the competitors and assign them a score based on what you see.
you don't pull a score out of your ass without even comaring the competitors.. ::)
unless of course, your score and outcome is predetermined.. :-\ as was 1993..
yeah thats the excuse it wasn't fair when Dorian competed and Joe fixed it lol
next
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if Ronnie only dominated like Dorian did ;)
yeah, like dorian really dominated.. ::)
if dorian dominated why is he being crushed in pics all over the place?
why is his reputation so bad that even pro bodybuilding sites with access to tons of pics are bashing him?
if dorian dominated why did he have only one arm for most of his career?
if..well, you get the idea.
dorian "dominated" according to a scorecard by partial judges. see 1993 muscularity round for that..
not real life. just look around you
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Comparable calf size compared to Dorian right here
I sit on high and laugh at the little ignorant fan-boys
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Don't flatter yourself, Sir NeoSeminole. You have yet to provide a single argument that I was unable to shoot down very easily. It just so happens that I'm bored with you. Yep. Same bullshit regurgitated over and over again. I am going to wait and reply to you when you want me to - I am going to be a good doggie and wait for my master to return from his break.
riiiight, that's why you ran away from this post. Spare me any excuses why you couldn't respond b/c you posted later in that thread. ;)
I could care less what year was Haney's or Dorian's best/ worst conditioning. I don't understand why you keep bringing that up. What matters is Dorian, although not at his best, still had better conditioning than Haney. Check the videos. His entire back, midsection, glutes, and hamstrings were all more defined.
yes, Haney had worse conditioning than Dorian in 91. He also had inferior proportions. As for your last point, you're neglecting the total package. It would be like me saying "going by your logic, Andreas Munzer should have won every contest b/c he had superior conditioning."
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yeah, like dorian really dominated.. ::)
if dorian dominated why is he being crushed in pics all over the place?
why is his reputation so bad that even pro bodybuilding sites with access to tons of pics are bashing him?
if dorian dominated why did he have only one arm for most of his career?
if..well, you get the idea.
dorian "dominated" according to a scorecard by partial judges. see 1993 muscularity round for that..
not real life. just look around you
Kevin called you a ' retard ' I understand why
judges are wrong when judging Yates , but right when judging Ronnie , same judges mind you , yup makes sense to me
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yeah thats the excuse it wasn't fair when Dorian competed and Joe fixed it lol
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yup. why do you think they had Ronnie lose to Gunter?
to sell tickets because interest was so far down because everyone knew that the Mr. O could never lose on a Mr. O. stage.. thanks mainly to dorian's post tear wins...and no one bought tickets as a result.
they have ronnie lose and everyone goes nuts for the Mr. O.
before that no one cared and no one bought tickets.
this is common knowledge.
and simple marketing
but you probably didn't learn that at your McJob LOL
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Comparable calf size compared to Dorian right here
I sit on high and laugh at the little ignorant fan-boys
yeah, they look really huge with all that synthol ::)
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Kevin called you a ' retard ' I understand why
judges are wrong when judging Yates , but right when judging Ronnie , same judges mind you , yup makes sense to me
yeah, Kevin was such a great debater. He really proved his points LOL
where is he now? lol
oh yeah, I proved him wrong so bad he ran like a little puppy dog.
and you support him LOL ::)
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yup. why do you think they had Ronnie lose to Gunter?
to sell tickets because interest was so far down because everyone knew that the Mr. O could never lose on a Mr. O. stage...and no one bought tickets as a result.
they have ronnie lose and everyone goes nuts for the Mr. O.
before that no one cared and no one bought tickets.
this is common knowledge.
and simple marketing
but you probably didn't learn that at your McJob LOL
No Gunther beat Ronnie because he was white get it right ;)
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yeah, they look really huge with all that synthol ::)
I said injected I didn't say synthol ;)
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better arms compared to Ronnie right here ::)
I sit on high and laugh at the little ignorant nuthuggers
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yeah, Kevin was such a great debater. He really proved his points LOL
where is he now? lol
oh yeah, I proved him wrong so bad he ran like a little puppy dog.
and you support him LOL ::)
Again you have your spin , you got your ass handed to you what else are you going to say? lol
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates1.jpg)
sad you're reduced to lying now ;) I never said he had comparable arm size , I'll wait until you show me that post , I said better forearms and triceps never said bigger ;)
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sad you're reduced to lying now I never said he had comparable arm size , I'll wait until you show me that post , I said better forearms and triceps never said bigger
reduced to lying? I'm just copying you. I never said Ronnie had comparable calf size compared to Dorian. I was comparing Ronnie to Jay, who has smaller calves than Dorian. Idiot. I figured if you are going to make up lies, then I will too.
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HD - frustrated
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reduced to lying? I'm just copying you. I never said Ronnie had comparable calf size compared to Dorian. I was comparing Ronnie to Jay, who has smaller calves than Dorian. Idiot. I figured if you are going to make up lies, then I will too.
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No you're not I never claimed they had comparable arm size , you defending your half-ass ' comparisons ' you made where Ronnie 03 had comparable calf size to Yates , and you tried to link the size to Jay to Yates and you were laughed at
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better arms compared to Ronnie right here ::)
I sit on high and laugh at the little ignorant nuthuggers
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates1.jpg)
I see you backpeddled on your post lol sucker
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He looked fantastic from any angle
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No you're not I never claimed they had comparable arm size , you defending your half-ass ' comparisons ' you made where Ronnie 03 had comparable calf size to Yates , and you tried to link the size to Jay to Yates and you were laughed at
yes, I am copying you. You lied when you claimed I said Ronnie had comparable calf size to Dorian.
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
No wonder why she made this statement
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I see you backpeddled on your post lol sucker
ha ha ha, wtf? I made it even more absurd. How is that backpeddling?
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yes, you are lying. You claimed I said Ronnie had comparable calf size to Dorian.
you did , you defended your comparison that YOU made where they had comparable size absolutely you did and I don't care enough to search your posts , I know what you typed and it sucks you had to backpeddle on your post doesn't it lol what did you change it for if you were only parodying me? yeah I thought so ;)
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ha ha ha, wtf? I made it even more absurd. How is that backpeddling?
well you have your angle , stick to it , its all you can do :)
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
No wonder why she made this statement
yeah, no weak bodyparts.. ::)
piss poor quad cuts, little sweep, shitty arms etc.
none at all.
::)
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yeah, no weak bodyparts.. ::)
piss poor quad cuts, little sweep, shitty arms etc.
none at all.
::)
hulkster always in direct opposition to the judges :)
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hulkster always in direct opposition to the judges :)
who is the wife of one of dorian's best friends.. ::)
holy shit you are naive.. ::)
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who is the wife of one of dorian's best friends.. ::)
holy shit you are naive.. ::)
Wow you busted her lol her husband is an IFBB judge too and he adjudicated over Dorian just once , and he placed Yates second behind Momo lol ;)
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you did , you defended your comparison that YOU made where they had comparable size absolutely you did and I don't care enough to search your posts , I know what you typed
you're a liar. I just ran several searches and couldn't find where I said Ronnie had comparable calf size to Dorian. However, I did notice this post from you.
LMFAO no , no its beyond biased , its scaled with groupie-love in mind , Dorian's waist is narrower than Ronnies ( strike one ) Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorians ( strike two ) and Ronnie's forearms are way to long compared to Yates ( strike three , you're out )
this is the only post I could find that even mentioned having comparable calves. I have a feeling you're getting mixed up and accusing me of something I never said.
it sucks you had to backpeddle on your post doesn't it lol what did you change it for if you were only parodying me? yeah I thought so
where did I backpedal?
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you're a liar. I just ran several searches and couldn't find where I said Ronnie had comparable calf size to Dorian. However, I did notice this post from you.
this is the only post I could find that even mentioned having comparable calves. I have a feeling you're getting mixed up and accusing me of something I never said.
where did I backpedal?
it was in reference to YOUR homemade comparison that I was complaining about
and you backpeddled by changing your post from size
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it was in reference to YOUR homemade comparison that I was complaining about
yeah, no shit but show me where I claimed Ronnie's calves are comparable in size to Dorian's.
and you backpeddled by changing your post from size
how is making something even more absurd backpedaling? Do you even know what that means? ???
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yeah, no shit but show me where I claimed Ronnie's calves are comparable in size to Dorian's.
how is making something even more absurd backpedaling? Do you even know what that means? ???
Again if I cared enough I would search your bore me
no your original post would have been even more absurd , Dorian does have better forearms & triceps thats not absurd thats a fact
but you corrected yourself before you got beat down again
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Again if I cared enough I would search your bore me
no, that's not it. You don't want to search b/c you know you're lying. ;)
no your original post would have been even more absurd , Dorian does have better forearms & triceps thats not absurd thats a fact
but you corrected yourself before you got beat down again
wrong. Saying Dorian has better arms is more absurd than saying they were comparable size. Better arms include size among other things. ;)
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Wow you busted her lol her husband is an IFBB judge too and he adjudicated over Dorian just once , and he placed Yates second behind Momo lol ;)
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You do your home-work alright ND! :)
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no, that's not it. You don't want to search b/c you know you're lying. ;)
wrong. Saying Dorian has better arms is more absurd than saying they were comparable size. Better arms include size among other things. ;)
Like I said you believe what you like I can't change that I've owned you countless times I don't need anymore notches in my belt
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[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?
Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.
One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.
total package
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You do your home-work alright ND! :)
:)
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Like I said you believe what you like I can't change that I've owned you countless times I don't need anymore notches in my belt
do you purposely say the opposite of reality? Where have you "owned" me besides in your head?
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Two IFBB judges verifying what I said all along , its good to be right all the time
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The most dominant Mr Olympia showing in the history of the contest
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Dorian 1993 is the most complete bodybuilder to ever walk on a bodybuilding stage.
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Notice everyone is is staring at Yates
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Dorian 1993 is the most complete bodybuilder to ever walk on a bodybuilding stage.
Great post !
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oh mercy yates looks like a keg full of shit-his abs look crappy...why he win so much when he looked like a frankenstein experiment gone wrong
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The most dominant Mr Olympia showing in the history of the contest
nah, check out 03. ;)
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nah, check out 03. ;)
Against who? Jay Cutler & Dexter Jackson? lol is that a joke? was he so far ahead of the mediocre competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round? :)
Quote Samir Yates , was first , second and third . Yates just dominated such a deep quality field there is no question 1993 was better than 2003 as far as quality
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Against who? Jay Cutler & Dexter Jackson? lol is that a joke? was he so far ahead of the mediocre competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round?
93 was a novelty in that the judges never let it happened again. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)
Quote Samir Yates , was first , second and third . Yates just dominated such a deep quality field there is no question 1993 was better than 2003 as far as quality
good job Dave man. So you have a quote? I have quotes too.
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
Flex Wheeler – MD, February 2004
"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tongue a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. People were just shaking their heads"
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004
"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
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93 was a novelty in that the judges never let it happened again. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)
good job Dave man. So you have a quote? I have quotes too.
93 was a novelty in that the judges never let it happened again. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)
Like you said it had been done ;) that doesn't change the fact and 95 & 93 and interchanageable for his best showings it could go either way
These quote prove what? that his competition was somehow spectacular? Cutler was flat big deal and Dex was Dex always in great shape the rest of the field ho-hum
Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
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Peter McGough Ironage September , 2003
After Dorian's career ended in '97, we discussed what was his best ever shape. We both agreed on 1995. He was driven that year by his underpar showing in '94.
Next ;)
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Like you said it had been done that doesn't change the fact and 95 & 93 and interchanageable for his best showings it could go either way
you didn't answer my question. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)
These quote prove what? that his competition was somehow spectacular? Cutler was flat big deal and Dex was Dex always in great shape the rest of the field ho-hum
the quotes I posted show that, not only was 03 Ronnie so far ahead of his competition, but that he also transgressed what was thought humanly possible.
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Peter McGough Ironage September , 2003
After Dorian's career ended in '97, we discussed what was his best ever shape. We both agreed on 1995. He was driven that year by his underpar showing in '94.
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next what? You do realize that you're only proving my point that 93 was a novelty. How can the judges not include Dorian in the muscularity round when he was not at his best yet call him out when he was even better?
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you didn't answer my question. If Dorian was at his prime in 95, then how come he was called out in the muscularity round? ;)
the quotes I posted show that, not only was 03 Ronnie so far ahead of his competition, but that he also transgressed beyond what was thought humanly possible.
There is NO if I just proved to you ;) and in 1993 Dorian raised the bar so far beyond anything shown before hence the absence of the mascularity round , 1995 was the same but it was done it had nothing to do with the his prime how you made that leaps is beyond me
your quotes means NOTHING in relation to Dorian Yates and the 1993 Mr Olympia and to use your retarded logic , if 2003 was Ronnie's prime why didn't they omit him from the muscularity round? ;)
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next what? You do realize that you're only proving my point that 93 was a novelty. How can the judges not include Dorian in the muscularity round when he was not at his best yet call him out when he was even better?
it wasn't a ' novelty ' it was a defining moment in bodybuilding something that hadn't been done before that time , and he didn't change the sport again in 1995 but he did dominate just the same as 1993
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There is NO if I just proved to you and in 1993 Dorian raised the bar so far beyond anything shown before hence the absence of the mascularity round , 1995 was the same but it was done it had nothing to do with the his prime how you made that leaps is beyond me
you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)
your quotes means NOTHING in relation to Dorian Yates and the 1993 Mr Olympia and to use your retarded logic , if 2003 was Ronnie's prime why didn't they omit him from the muscularity round?
I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was just showing that I can post quotes too. Whoop-tee-f*cking doo! To answer your question, it states in the IFBB criteria that judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when the competitors are standing relaxed to the side of the stage. ;)
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you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)
I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was simply showing that I can post quotes supporting my argument too. To answer your question, b/c it states in the IFBB criteria that the judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when they are standing relaxed to the side of the stage looking on. ;)
you fail to understand that 93 was a novelty b/c it never happened again. Dorian raised the bar in 95. Ronnie raised it in 01 and 03. All 3 times, the winner demolished the competition but the judges still called out every bodybuilder. If you really want to get into this, the ownage at the 01 ASC was even worse than 93. Seriously, who was Ronnie's competition that year? Chris Cormier, Dennis James, King Kamali, and Craig Titus? ::)
it doesn't matter if it never happened again what matters is it did happen. Dorian didn't raise the bar again he defined the sport in 1993 he matched it again in 1995 , been there and done that
you're such a fan boy 2001 didn't define the sport it didn't raise the bar Ronnie was 247 pounds max with awesome conditioning , big deal Yates was all that and more in 1993 , and again we're comparing 1993 to 2003 and the quality & depth of the field , you realize you have nothing with 2003 and decided to fish elsewhere
1995 Dorain's best showing , another clear cut example of you being flat out wrong and owned
I wasn't trying to relate my quotes to Dorian. I was simply showing that I can post quotes supporting my argument too. To answer your question, b/c it states in the IFBB criteria that the judges should evaluate each competitor in the compulsory poses. This is kind of hard to do when they are standing relaxed to the side of the stage looking on. ;)
Thanks for answering my question and again Ronnie dominated who in 2003? Jay Cutler and Dexter WOW-WEE ::) thats insane ::)
1993 crushes 2003 a near prime Flex Wheeler , Shawn Ray , Kevin Levrone , Lee Labrada , Dillett , Munzer , Cliarmonte was outstanding Sonny Schimdt , etc all of these guys were next to their best career wise all in fantastic shape there was a much greater emphasis on conditioning as well
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typical Neo move.... diversion
I said most dominant Mr Olympia contest win ever and you said check out 2003 , how was 2003 more dominant than 1993? you then move onto a word game about primes
I provided proof that Dorian was so far ahead of his contemporaries that he defined an era and didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round and he did so over a quality & deep field , Ronnie did the same in 2003 sans the quality & deep field yet he he wasn't omitted from the muscularity round , so that means Dorian's win in 1993 is the most dominant ever
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I provided proof that Dorian was so far ahead of his contemporaries that he defined an era and didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round
yes, the era of bad judging... :-\
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yes, the era of bad judging... :-\
which includes 2001.
funny how you always mention 94, but leave 01 out.
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it doesn't matter if it never happened again what matters is it did happen. Dorian didn't raise the bar again he defined the sport in 1993 he matched it again in 1995 , been there and done that
it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.
you're such a fan boy 2001 didn't define the sport it didn't raise the bar Ronnie was 247 pounds max with awesome conditioning , big deal Yates was all that and more in 1993 , and again we're comparing 1993 to 2003 and the quality & depth of the field , you realize you have nothing with 2003 and decided to fish elsewhere
how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
Thanks for answering my question and again Ronnie dominated who in 2003? Jay Cutler and Dexter WOW-WEE thats insane
what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)
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riiiight, that's why you ran away from this post. Spare me any excuses why you couldn't respond b/c you posted later in that thread. ;)
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I didn't ran from this post, moron. I addressed it several times. For starters, Haney didn't have inferior balance but superior symmetry. Balance as far as bodybuilding goes is included in symmetry, idiot. Secondy, Haney didn't have inferior conditioning. This is another one of your fantasies. Haney's conditioning was at it's best ever in 1991, and Dorian's would only reach it's legendary status in 1993.
Now, even if you were right about Haney defeating Dorian because he was bigger with inferior conditioning, it's only something that happened once in a specific contest. You can't say that would happen every time just because that's how it went that time. Going by your stupid logic, then Jean-Pierre Fux should have defeated Dorian, since he was bigger and with better proportions sans the distended gut than Dorian, and his conditioning was at least as good but in my opinion better than Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia. So Dorian defeats Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia for te exact reasons he defeated Fux. You must be feeling really stupid now. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I didn't ran from this post, moron. I addressed it several times. For starters, Haney didn't have inferior balance but superior symmetry. Balance as far as bodybuilding goes is included in symmetry, idiot. Secondy, Haney didn't have inferior conditioning. This is another one of your fantasies. Haney's conditioning was at it's best ever in 1991, and Dorian's would only reach it's legendary status in 1993.
ha ha ha, wtf are you talking about? I never said anything about balance or symmetry. Nice strawman attempt there, little boy. I said Haney had worse proportions which is true. His massive upper body overpowered his legs. Haney also had worse conditioning. I don't know why you keep bringing up what year his best conditioning was like this somehow affects Dorian's conditioning in any way. Haney may have been at his best, but Dorian's conditioning was still better. Rather than talk out of your ass, look at the pics on muscletime.com. Dorian's entire back, midsection, glutes, and hamstrings were all more defined.
Now, even if you were right about Haney defeating Dorian because he was bigger with inferior conditioning, it's only something that happened once in a specific contest. You can't say that would happen every time just because that's how it went that time. Going by your stupid logic, then Jean-Pierre Fux should have defeated Dorian, since he was bigger and with better proportions sans the distended gut than Dorian, and his conditioning was at least as good but in my opinion better than Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia. So Dorian defeats Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia for te exact reasons he defeated Fux.
I already countered your objection by using Andreas Munzer as an example. The problem is you're neglecting the total package. Haney had better symmetry, proportion, and shape than Jean-Pierre Fux who was all size.
You must be feeling really smart now.
why yes... yes I do. :)
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no, his muscularity had nothing to do with it
he didn't need to be included because the judges were not doing their job properly - they didn't care what his physique looked like they were going to give him first place no matter what..
how competent judges could 'not include' a competitor in a round and still score him is beyond unbelievable.. ::)
lol
do you want me to pass a tissue?
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Ronnie won more Olympia titles...
Yes, but back in 93, things were different.
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/colema02.jpg)
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which includes 2001.
funny how you always mention 94, but leave 01 out.
its not funny - its a different story all together.
look at the contest pics from both years:
Jay gets owned by Ronnie.
Dorian gets owned by Shawn.
NOT the same thing:
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lol
do you want me to pass a tissue?
LOL yes.
hey, I am just commenting on what everyone seem to know but one or two idiot dorian nuthuggers.
thats all 8)
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it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.
how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)
it does matter that the judges never let it happen again. This means it was a one time thing. And Dorian didn't define the sport. Give me a break! He raised the bar, yes, but he didn't define bodybuilding any more than Sergio, Arnold, Samir, and Lee all did before him, yet the judges still called them out during the muscularity round.
No shit the judges never let it happen again ergo the most dominant Olympia ever and sure Dorian defined the sport what other Mr Olympia before him was as complete ? he was complete from head to toe he had everything he changed the sport on that day.
how does using the 01 ASC as an example make me a fan boy, you dipshit? Ronnie presented the best physique of all-time according to many experts including Peter McGough and Shawn Perine of Team Flex and Raymond Cassar of Muscletime.com. Ronnie's main competition largely consisted of 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
because you shifted from 03 to 01 that's how it makes you a fan boy. the best physique of all-time what happened to 2003? ;) and you're bragging about Ronnie dominating ho-hum competition , Dorian dominated better competition and Dorian was so far ahead of his competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round that alone means he was the most dominant Olympia winner ever , novelty my ass , Dorian was first , second and third.
what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more? All that matters is the difference between 1st and 2nd was greater in 03 than 93. ;)
you're bragging about Ronnie beating Jay & Dexter lol it would mean something if he dominated an extremely high caliber field , Dorian DOMINATED the best at close to their best
and prove the distance between 1st & 2nd was greater in 03 than 93 , you can't all you can do it type , Dorian didn't need to be included in the muscularity round you can cry and bitch and moan about why but that doesn't change the fact he wasn't needed the same can't said for Ronnie 03 , so much for 03
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NarcissisticDeity,
hulkster's a child....f*ck him off and live your life......fans with a more open mind know the truth....hulkster was still getting his nappies changed when dorian was winning those titles.....he would know shit.....Ronnie is flavour of the month for these y-generation poo jabbers.....dorian 95, wheeler 93, arnold 74.....after that who caresssssssss
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NarcissisticDeity,
hulkster's a child....f*ck him off and live your life......fans with a more open mind know the truth....hulkster was still getting his nappies changed when dorian was winning those titles.....he would know shit.....Ronnie is flavour of the month for these y-generation poo jabbers.....dorian 95, wheeler 93, arnold 74.....after that who caresssssssss
You make a great point , I'm living my life and kicking his ass at the same time but I get your point :) here is Kevin Horton famed contest photographer calling him a retard lol
he never recovered
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You're a good guy lol
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dillet owned dorian.
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Kevin Horton famed contest photographer and noted cowardly sore loser - running away from proof that destroys his arguments- calling him a retard lol
fixed for accuracy.
lol
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fixed for accuracy.
lol
What else are you going to say? lol Instant GetBig Classic Kevin Horton called you a retard lol one of the best contest photographers ever putting you in your place lol
you wont recover
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No shit the judges never let it happen again ergo the most dominant Olympia ever and sure Dorian defined the sport what other Mr Olympia before him was as complete ? he was complete from head to toe he had everything he changed the sport on that day.
wrong, just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year. I predict that someone will come along one day and deliver an even more dominant performance than Dorian or Ronnie but the judges will still include him in the muscularity round. 93 will never happen again, not b/c no one will ever surpass Dorian, but b/c the judges won't allow it.
if Dorian changed the sport, then so did Sergio, Arnold, Samir, Lee, and Ronnie. Each bodybuilder raised the bar higher than his predecessor and changed the sport of bodybuilding.
because you shifted from 03 to 01 that's how it makes you a fan boy. the best physique of all-time what happened to 2003? and you're bragging about Ronnie dominating ho-hum competition , Dorian dominated better competition and Dorian was so far ahead of his competition that he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round that alone means he was the most dominant Olympia winner ever , novelty my ass , Dorian was first , second and third.
allow me to explain since you're apparently to dumb to figure this out. Although I believe 03 Ronnie to be his prime, I also feel his 01 ASC physique would beat Dorian. Is that better? I switch between both years just like you alternate between pre-contest 93, 93, and 95. The reason I mentioned the 01 ASC is b/c Ronnie dominated his competition even more than Dorian did in 93. The IFBB rulebook was the same but Ronnie was still called out during prejudging. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
you're bragging about Ronnie beating Jay & Dexter lol it would mean something if he dominated an extremely high caliber field , Dorian DOMINATED the best at close to their best
again, what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more?
and prove the distance between 1st & 2nd was greater in 03 than 93 , you can't all you can do it type , Dorian didn't need to be included in the muscularity round you can cry and bitch and moan about why but that doesn't change the fact he wasn't needed the same can't said for Ronnie 03 , so much for 03
simple: just look at the pics. In some shots, guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, and Lou Ferrigno are holding their own or beating him in 1 or more criteria. Nobody came close to Ronnie in 03. In fact, he made the 2nd best built man in the world look like an amateur.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-SymmetryRound1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-MuscularityRound13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-MuscularityRound15.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-SymmetryRound5.jpg)
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just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year.
exactly.
the judges didn't care about following protocol because Uncle Joe was having dorian win no matter what he looked like - much like his post tear years.
the whole point of a protocol is to ensure that scoring is as accurate as possible.
if the number one placing is decided ahead of time - no need for said protocol, now is there?
it just reinforces the fact that the judges didn't care what dorian looked like - in 93 (where he happen to deserve to win anyway) or something like 94 or 97 (where he should not have won given his competition)..and its this sort of fixing that caused fans to lose interest in droves as the 90's drew to a close...
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wrong, just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year. I predict that someone will come along one day and deliver an even more dominant performance than Dorian or Ronnie but the judges will still include him in the muscularity round. 93 will never happen again, not b/c no one will ever surpass Dorian, but b/c the judges won't allow it.
if Dorian changed the sport, then so did Sergio, Arnold, Samir, Lee, and Ronnie. Each bodybuilder raised the bar higher than his predecessor and changed the sport of bodybuilding.
allow me to explain since you're apparently to dumb to figure this out. Although I believe 03 Ronnie to be his prime, I also feel his 01 ASC physique would beat Dorian. Is that better? I switch between both years just like you alternate between pre-contest 93, 93, and 95. The reason I mentioned the 01 ASC is b/c Ronnie dominated his competition even more than Dorian did in 93. The judging protocol was the same but Ronnie was still called out during prejudging. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
again, what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more?
simple: just look at the pics. In some shots, guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, and Lou Ferrigno are holding their own or beating him in 1 or more criteria. Nobody came close to 03 Ronnie. In fact, he made the 2nd best built man in the world look like an amateur.
wrong, just b/c it only happened once doesn't mean 93 was the most dominant Olympia performance ever. All it tells us is that the judges didn't follow protocol that year. I predict that someone will come along one day and deliver an even more dominant performance than Dorian or Ronnie but the judges will still include him in the muscularity round. 93 will never happen again, not b/c no one will ever surpass Dorian, but b/c the judges won't allow it.
if Dorian changed the sport, then so did Sergio, Arnold, Samir, Lee, and Ronnie. Each bodybuilder raised the bar higher than his predecessor and changed the sport of bodybuilding.
No thats exactly what it means you can try and attach any spin you want on it but the fact remains it has NOT been duplicated since not by Ronnie bot by Jay
and there is NO if Dorian changed the sport that's not debateable
allow me to explain since you're apparently to dumb to figure this out. Although I believe 03 Ronnie to be his prime, I also feel his 01 ASC physique would beat Dorian. Is that better? I switch between both years just like you alternate between pre-contest 93, 93, and 95. The reason I mentioned the 01 ASC is b/c Ronnie dominated his competition even more than Dorian did in 93. The judging protocol was the same but Ronnie was still called out during prejudging. If there was ever an example of clear cut ownage in a bodybuilding contest, that was it. Yet the judges still called him out during the muscularity round. This goes to show that 93 was done for novelty.
You only clung to 2001 after I posted the quote from McGough your angle was always 2003 which I proved to you that it wasn't his prime ;) and again just keep typing 2001 was more dominant than 1993 its all you can do you can't offer any proof and you believe it was ' novelty ' it was superiority
again, what does the field of competitors Dorian and Ronnie faced have to do with who dominated more?
are you high? what does that have to do with it? lol it has everything to do with with , especially when you're facing guys in amazing shape vs ho-hum competition , Ronnie dominated over who? a soft Chris & Dennis James lmfao Dorian DOMINATED the best at their best or at least neat their best big difference
simple: just look at the pics. In some shots, guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, and Lou Ferrigno are holding their own or beating him in 1 or more criteria. Nobody came close to 03 Ronnie. In fact, he made the 2nd best built man in the world look like an amateur.
lmfao NO ONE is beating Dorian and ANY part of the criteria which is exactly why he dominated all rounds are physique rounds Dorian was so far and ahead of every single competitor in 1993 ALL 13 judges saw absolutely no need to include him in the muscularity round thats is the most dominant win of any Mr Olympia ever you can't change that fact you can only deny it
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exactly.
the judges didn't care about following protocol because Uncle Joe was having dorian win no matter what he looked like - much like his post tear years.
the whole point of a protocol is to ensure that scoring is as accurate as possible.
if the number one placing is decided ahead of time - no need for said protocol, now is there?
it just reinforces the fact that the judges didn't care what dorian looked like - in 93 (where he happen to deserve to win anyway) or something like 94 or 97 (where he should not have won given his competition)..and its this sort of fixing that caused fans to lose interest in droves as the 90's drew to a close...
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
stunning superiority , Dorian Yates the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport
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No thats exactly what it means you can try and attach any spin you want on it
correctly pointing out that judges were not doing their jobs properly and competently is hardly putting a 'spin' on something. ::)
is that your new line? every time you (or Kevin Thorton) get owned, all you do now is say someone is putting a 'spin' on it... ::)
Kevin spun alright. he spun the fuck out of here when he couldn't deal with my damaging evidence. lol
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Samir Bannout on dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia
"Yates was first, second and third.
Most dominant Olympia win in this history of the sport
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correctly pointing out that judges were not doing their jobs properly and competently is hardly putting a 'spin' on something. ::)
is that your new line? every time you (or Kevin Thorton) get owned, all you do now is say someone is putting a 'spin' on it... ::)
Kevin spun alright. he spun the fuck out of here when he couldn't deal with my damaging evidence. lol
You still haven't recovered ;)
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Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
stunning superiority , Dorian Yates the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport
exactly the point you are missing.
its not up to the judges to decide whether or not they "see a need" to compare competitors in a round to assign a score.
its their JOB and RESPONSIBLITY to do this so that the scores can be made without pulling a wild guess out their asses.
thank for for stating this quote for us all to see just how incompetent the judges truly were.
thanks!
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You still haven't recovered ;)
yeah, sure. Kevin is probably recovering in some mental institution right now LOL
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yeah, sure. Kevin is probably recovering in some mental institution right now LOL
ok retard whatever you say lol
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exactly the point you are missing.
its not up to the judges to decide whether or not they "see a need" to compare competitors in a round to assign a score.
its their JOB and RESPONSIBLITY to do this so that the scores can be made without pulling a wild guess out their asses.
thank for for stating this quote for us all to see just how incompetent the judges truly were.
thanks!
they did compare him in the symmetry round and he was so far above and beyond what was the sense? NONE that shows you how far ahead he was ALL judges 13 individual people all threw down their pencils and said forget it , he won already lol
Ronnie couldn't duplicate this
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Hulkster clearly bitter that Dorian achieved a level of dominance that Coleman never did hahaha
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Hulkster clearly bitter that Dorian achieved a level of dominance that Coleman never did hahaha
So true
Ronnie couldn't beat Yates despite only being two years younger and starting out lifting years before him lol
can you imagine when Yates walked out the judges said WTF he's so far above & beyond anyone we've seen enough forget the muscularity round we've seen enough
1993 Mr Olympia the most dominant Olympia win in the history of the sport
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they did compare him in the symmetry round and he was so far above and beyond what was the sense?
because it was their job to score as fairly and accurately as possible.
hence, in order to assign a score that is most accurate in the muscularity round, you need to compare him in mandatory poses to his competition.
hope this helps. ::)
every time you talk about how the judges just threw down their pencils and said forget it, it speaks volumes about how predetermined the outcome really was..
keep it up. you are only owning yourself.
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ALL judges 13 individual people all threw down their pencils and said forget it , he won already lol
he won from the moment Uncle Joe told them to have him win no matter what..
this would repeat itself over and over..
no wonder dorian's physique has such a shitty rep.
just ask Muscletime LOL
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No thats exactly what it means you can try and attach any spin you want on it but the fact remains it has NOT been duplicated since not by Ronnie bot by Jay
no, that's not what it means. I love how you jump from point A to E. I'm not attaching any spin on it. I'm simply going by the facts.
Fact: the 93 Mr. O was the only contest the judges didn't include a competitor in the muscularity round
Fact: more dominant performances have occurred but the judges still followed IFBB protocol
You only clung to 2001 after I posted the quote from McGough your angle was always 2003 which I proved to you that it wasn't his prime and again just keep typing 2001 was more dominant than 1993 its all you can do you can't offer any proof and you believe it was ' novelty ' it was superiority
no, read what I wrote again. It has nothing to do with you posting a quote.
are you high? what does that have to do with it? lol it has everything to do with with , especially when you're facing guys in amazing shape vs ho-hum competition , Ronnie dominated over who? a soft Chris & Dennis James lmfao Dorian DOMINATED the best at their best or at least neat their best big difference
dominance is defined by the disparity between 1st place and his competition. Nowhere does it say the winner gets a handicap if he faced a higher caliber of competitors. The difference between 1st place and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on was greater in 03 than 93.
lmfao NO ONE is beating Dorian and ANY part of the criteria which is exactly why he dominated all rounds are physique rounds Dorian was so far and ahead of every single competitor in 1993 ALL 13 judges saw absolutely no need to include him in the muscularity round thats is the most dominant win of any Mr Olympia ever you can't change that fact you can only deny it
ha ha ha ha, you're such an impressionable fool. Look at the pics. You cannot dispute that Flex and Shawn aren't owning Dorian in definition and symmetry, or that Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno aren't owning Dorian in muscular bulk.
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no, that's not what it means. I love how you jump from point A to E. I'm not attaching any spin on it. I'm simply going by the facts.
Fact: the 93 Mr. O was the only contest the judges didn't include a competitor in the muscularity round
Fact: more dominant performances have occurred but the judges still followed IFBB protocol
no, read what I wrote again. It has nothing to do with you posting a quote.
dominance is defined by the disparity between 1st place and his competition. Nowhere does it say the winner gets a handicap if he faced a higher caliber of competitors. The difference between 1st place and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on was greater in 03 than 93.
ha ha ha ha, you're such an impressionable fool. Look at the pics. You cannot dispute that Flex and Shawn aren't owning Dorian in definition and symmetry, or that Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno aren't owning Dorian in muscular bulk.
You believe what you want Neo , I'll sit back and laugh at you ;)
lol 2003
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he won from the moment Uncle Joe told them to have him win no matter what..
this would repeat itself over and over..
no wonder dorian's physique has such a shitty rep.
just ask Muscletime LOL
Wow so your back to Yates lost the 1993 Olympia? lol he he he
who beat him this time?
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You believe what you want Neo , I'll sit back and laugh at you
that's fine b/c most everyone else is laughing at you. ;)
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that's fine b/c most everyone else is laughing at you. ;)
Uh-Nos everyone? whatever shall I do? looks like another night tossing & turning thinking about the everyones who is lolz @ me
Samir Bannout on dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia
"Yates was first, second and third.
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93 more dominant than 03 according to ND. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-SymmetryRound3.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr-2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr-1.jpg)
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93 more dominant than 03 according to ND. ::)
No , no make no mistake boy-Neo according to the judges ;) the judges said that Dorian during the symmetry round was so far and above his competition he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round thats total Domination that Ronnie couldn't replicate
the judges have spoken you have your excuses keep em
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Samir Bannout on dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia
"Yates was first, second and third.
;) ;) ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar – http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
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Wow so your back to Yates lost the 1993 Olympia? lol he he he
who beat him this time?
huh?
are you stupid?
dorian deserved to win. but thats beside the point
but that has nothing to do with the fact that the judges were going to have him win no matter what he looked like - see their lack of protocol for the muscularity round.
these are two completely seperate issues.
learn to be smart next time.
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No , no make no mistake boy-Neo according to the judges the judges said that Dorian during the symmetry round was so far and above his competition he didn't need to be included in the muscularity round thats total Domination that Ronnie couldn't replicate
wrong, you arrived at that conclusion on your own and are trying to pass it off as fact. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. I'll wait. ;)
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;) ;) ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar – http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
“There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)”
and that mean he was more dominant than Dorian? LMFAO
Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
even at his best Ronnie was very touchable , Dorian on the otherhand lol
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wrong, you arrived at that conclusion on your own and are trying to pass it off as fact. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. I'll wait. ;)
see spin , see failure , you know your way
Did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 2003? yeah I thought so ....next
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No , no make no mistake boy-Neo according to the judges the judges said that Dorian during the symmetry round was so far and above his competition
yeah everyone look for yourselves how they came to this conclusion!:
your telling us they say THIS and said "oh he is so good lets not call him out anymore!- screw the muscularity round!"
::)
keep it up ND.
you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
this is great!
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yeah everyone look for yourselves how they came to this conclusion!:
your telling us they say THIS and said "oh he is so good lets not call him out anymore!- screw the muscularity round!"
::)
keep it up ND.
you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
this is great!
Hulkster , the judges own you , contest photographers own you , graphic artists own you , Dorian Yates owns you and I own you
you wont recover
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and that mean he was more dominant than Dorian? LMFAO
it wasn't my intention to show Ronnie was more dominant with my quotes. I figured if you are going to use a quote saying Dorian deserved to win, then I will one-up you by posting quotes saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
Jon Hotten Muscle:
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
even at his best Ronnie was very touchable , Dorian on the otherhand lol
thank you for that irrelevant passage. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC and 03.
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it wasn't my intention to show Ronnie was more dominant with my quotes. I figured if you are going to use a quote saying Dorian deserved to win, then I will one-up you by posting quotes saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
thank you for that irrelevant passage. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC and 03.
I can post quotes saying Ronnie is beatable from Ronnie himself among other people , Neo back to square one
did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 01/03? thanks for playing Neo go away now he don't have any lovely parting gifts for you
Ronnie is very beatable even at his best and he never replicated the same type of dominance that Dorian or Lee Haney
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see spin , see failure , you know your way
ha ha ha, your argument skills are weak. I ask for you to show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time, and when you fail to meet this challenge you call my post a "failure." Only in your delusional head... :D
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Did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 2003? yeah I thought so ....next
as long as you want to play connect-the-dots, I guess the judges felt Ronnie was the better bodybuilder b/c he won more contests and Mr. Olympias than Dorian. ::)
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I can post quotes saying Ronnie is beatable from Ronnie himself among other people , Neo back to square one
big deal. I can post a quote from Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian and one from Dorian saying the judges would pick Ronnie over him. ND, back to square one.
did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 01/03? thanks for playing Neo go away now he don't have any lovely parting gifts for you
did Dorian win 8 Mr. Olympias? thanks for playing HD. Go away now. We don't have any lovely parting gifts for you.
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ha ha ha, your argument skills are weak. I ask for you to show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time, and when you fail to meet this challenge you call my post a "failure." Only in your delusional head... :D
I did show you , you just don't like the answer , they didn't need to include him in the muscularity round , and they did Ronnie 2003 that means 1993 is more dominating
you're fucked an know it so now typical Neo move lets play word games lol lets play Neo's game please show me where the judges said Ronnie 01/03 was more dominant than 1993 , weak logic and you're only projecting when you type my argument skills are weak
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
find me this quote about 2003 and 2001 and then I'll entertain your bull shit until then keep trying to play with words I'll sit on high and laugh at your desperation
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big deal. I can post a quote from Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian and one from Dorian saying the judges would pick Ronnie over him. ND, back to square one.
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
I'll be waiting boy-Neo
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I did show you , you just don't like the answer , they didn't need to include him in the muscularity round , and they did Ronnie 2003 that means 1993 is more dominating
no, you haven't shown me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. All you have done is jump to that conclusion.
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no, you haven't shown me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. All you have done is jump to that conclusion.
See semantics , see failure
did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 01/03? yeah I thought so , so much for 01/03 being the most dominant
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yeah everyone look for yourselves how they came to this conclusion!:
your telling us they say THIS and said "oh he is so good lets not call him out anymore!- screw the muscularity round!"
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keep it up ND.
you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
this is great!
You fear good shots of Yates and stick to the ones where he isn't flexing or is caught mid pose. How about you post these in your posts ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272874;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272896;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272993;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=273339;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=273339;image)
Amazing shot. Mass monster.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233409.0;attach=273221;image)
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You fear good shots of Yates and stick to the ones where he isn't flexing or is caught mid pose. How about you post these in your posts ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272874;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272896;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=272993;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233310.0;attach=273339;image)
Most dominant bodybuilder ever
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233409.0;attach=273221;image)
pumpster hates when you post that pic lol
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233409.0;attach=273221;image)
Look at his cheeks. That's how dry he is.
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Look at his cheeks. That's how dry he is.
Notice everyone is always in awe of Yates
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See semantics , see failure
did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 01/03? yeah I thought so , so much for 01/03 being the most dominant
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why do you insist on confusing incompetent judging with being dominant? ::)
ronnie was so dominant precisely because they compared him
not because they didn't bother..
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you don't seem to understand that being omitted from a round yet being scored anyway IS NOT a good thing.
it taints a victory because everyone can see that the judges literally pulled the score out of their asses.
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Most dominant bodybuilder ever
LOL yeah right:
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LOL ronnie is embarassing dorian in all areas there! including his supposedly best ever conditioning.. ::)
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See semantics , see failure
oh right, I forgot. When you don't understand something you read, you use the excuse "semantics." ::)
it must suck for you to be such a simpleton that you cannot explain how you arrived at the conclusion that 93 was the most dominant performance of all-time.
did they omit Ronnie from the muscularity round in 01/03? yeah I thought so , so much for 01/03 being the most dominant
such a retarded argument. Did Dorian win 8 Mr. Olympias? Yeah, I thought so. So much for Dorian being a better bodybuilder than Ronnie.
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LOL yeah right:
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Coleman is PWNED there hahahahah....even in photoshopped form LOL
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Ronnie looking like feces here hahaha
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233409.0;attach=273221;image)
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here's a question for ND which I know he will avoid directly answering like the plague:
how can 01 ASC Ronnie have the best physique of all-time (i.e. better than 93 Dorian) and still be called out during prejudging despite facing 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders (i.e. worse competition than 93)?
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here's a question for ND which I know he will avoid directly answering like the plague:
how can 01 ASC Ronnie have the best physique of all-time (i.e. better than 93 Dorian) and still be called out during prejudging despite facing 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders (i.e. worse competition than 93)?
You're working under the assumption it was the best physique of all-time i.e. better than 93 Dorian , just because some people claim so doesn't make it so
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You're working under the assumption it was the best physique of all-time i.e. better than 93 Dorian , just because some people claim so doesn't make it so
oh? ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime.com
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
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oh right, I forgot. When you don't understand something you read, you use the excuse "semantics." ::)
it must suck for you to be such a simpleton that you cannot explain how you arrived at the conclusion that 93 was the most dominant performance of all-time.
such a retarded argument. Did Dorian win 8 Mr. Olympias? Yeah, I thought so. So much for Dorian being a better bodybuilder than Ronnie.
I already answered the question YOU don't like the answer , keep trying to play with words using your own retard logic show me where the judges said specifically 2003/2001 was the most dominant ever I'm waiting , Dorian managed to end a contest in the symmetry round a feat Coleman couldn't replicate therefore 1993 is the most dominant Mr Olympia contest ever all you have left is excuses and tears
thats the proof he was more dominating if you can show me the same with Coleman I'll entertain your point of view but we both know you can't so cry me a river
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oh? ;)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime.com
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Thats not proof of anything its opinions none of these men judge contests ;) and notice Yates' name mentioned as one who could beat him? thanks for playing
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie 2001 carries less muscular bulk than Dorian at 269 pounds , can't touch him in density & dryness according to McGough , or balance & proportion , or thickness and posing & presentation and Yates is more complete that my ignorant little friend is ALL of the judging criteria so either way your have nothing , now imagine how if Dorian at 269 pounds showed up on stage in 1993 , he would be in the pumping room and he would have won the contest lol
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I already answered the question YOU don't like the answer , keep trying to play with words using your own retard logic show me where the judges said specifically 2003/2001 was the most dominant ever I'm waiting , Dorian managed to end a contest in the symmetry round a feat Coleman couldn't replicate therefore 1993 is the most dominant Mr Olympia contest ever all you have left is excuses and tears
ha ha ha, no shit I don't accept your answer b/c it's not a good one. ;)
I already gave examples of when the judges followed protocol despite more clear cut ownages by the winner. You would have an argument if there was consistency to the judges' actions, but as it stands 93 was a novelty.
thats the proof he was more dominating if you can show me the same with Coleman I'll entertain your point of view but we both know you can't so cry me a river
that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof." ::)
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ha ha ha, no shit I don't accept your answer b/c it's not a good one. ;)
I already gave examples of when the judges followed protocol despite more clear cut ownages by the winner. You would have an argument if there was consistency to the judges' actions, but as it stands 93 was a novelty.
that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof." ::)
Its not a good one because it shuts you down period. its not good because it happened to Dorian and not Ronnie and if it did you be posting that every two seconds ;)
1993 stands as the exception , keep trying to downgrade it to a ' novelty ' to quote McGough given his ' stunning superiority ' end of sentence you can't counter this keep bitching its all you have left
that doesn't prove shit. Yes, Dorian was far ahead of his competition in 93. I've never disagreed with that. However, the fact he wasn't compared during prejudging doesn't mean it was the most dominating performance of all-time. It just means the judges didn't follow protocol. I love how you accuse me of trying to connect-the-dots but when you do it, it's "proof." ::)
no thats exactly what it means and why? has it been done since? there is NO connecting the dot , it didn't happen in 1994/1995/1996/1997/1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005/2006/2007 no connecting the dots needed thanks for playing
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Thats not proof of anything its opinions none of these men judge contests and notice Yates' name mentioned as one who could beat him? thanks for playing
learn to read dipshit. Look at which version of Dorian is mentioned in Shawn Perine's quote. Peter McGough feels the same in the quote you posted. Funny how 01 ASC Ronnie is too good to be compared to 93 Mr. O Dorian. ;)
come back when you improve your reading comprehension. Next ;)
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learn to read dipshit. Look at which version of Dorian is mentioned in Shawn Perine's quote. Peter McGough feels the same way in the quote you posted. Funny how 01 ASC Ronnie is too good to be compared to 93 Mr. O Dorian. ;)
come back when you improve your reading comprehension. Next ;)
it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day
pick any version of Ronnie you want Dorian meets the criteria better ;)
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Its not a good one because it shuts you down period. its not good because it happened to Dorian and not Ronnie and if it did you be posting that every two seconds
wrong, it's not a good answer b/c you jump to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. Explain how 01 ASC Ronnie can have just as good, if not better, a physique as Dorian amid weaker competition and still be called out during prejudging. When you can do that, then I will entertain your nonsense. Until then, your "proof" is no more convincing than me saying "Ronnie won 8 Mr. Olympias while Dorian only won 6. So Ronnie was more dominant." ::)
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it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day
it must burn you to lose all the time. Just b/c you cannot counter my argument doesn't make it unimportant. ;)
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wrong, it's not a good answer b/c you jump to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time. Explain how 01 ASC Ronnie can have just as good, if not better, a physique as Dorian amid weaker competition and still be called out during prejudging. When you can do that, then I will entertain your nonsense. Until then, your "proof" is no more convincing than me saying "Ronnie won 8 Mr. Olympias while Dorian only won 6. So Ronnie was more dominant." ::)
Again you claimed 2003 and 2001 are both more dominant than 1993 , please show me the evidence of the judges claiming this ;)
and how many of those 8 Olympia were with straights 5s? thanks for playing dummy run along now
its so easy to own you
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it must burn you to lose all the time. Just b/c you cannot counter my argument doesn't make it unimportant. ;)
Again if I were ' losing ' you wouldn't be chasing me around ;)
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Again you claimed 2003 and 2001 are both more dominant than 1993 , please show me the evidence of the judges claiming this
I don't need to quote any judges b/c I never claimed they said so. You did. I'm using the judging criteria and visual evidence to determine who's win was more dominant.
and how many of those 8 Olympia were with straights 5s? thanks for playing dummy run along now
doesn't matter since I was referring to quantity of wins. You should take more time instead of typing hasty responses. It makes you look dumb. :-\
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Again if I were ' losing ' you wouldn't be chasing me around
I'm not chasing you around. You quoted me after I responded to someone else in this thread, dumbass.
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I don't need to quote any judges b/c I never claimed they said so. You did. I'm using the judging criteria and visual evidence to determine who's win was more dominant.
doesn't matter since I was referring to quantity of wins. You should take more time instead of typing hasty responses. It makes you look dumb. :-\
lol I have nothing to work with , the judges spoke in 1993 and it hasn't been replicated to this day and you'd have to know the judging criteria to determine who is more dominant
another common mistake of your mistaking quantity for quality ;) Dorian's win/loss ratio 88% Ronnies 40% thanks for playing who was more dominant
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
next
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I'm not chasing you around. You quoted me after I responded to someone else in this thread, dumbass.
again you're chasing ME around constantly trying to equal the score if I got my ass handed to me as much as you did I would be looking for revenge HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ;)
Neo = puppy ....fetch
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lol I have nothing to work with , the judges spoke in 1993 and it hasn't been replicated to this day and you'd have to know the judging criteria to determine who is more dominant
at least you admit you have nothing to work with. You're right that the judging in 93 hasn't been repeated. That doesn't mean no one else has won in more dominating fashion.
another common mistake of your mistaking quantity for quality Dorian's win/loss ratio 88% Ronnies 40% thanks for playing who was more dominant
are you purposely acting stupid? I can't tell anymore with you. Show me where I was being serious when I said Ronnie is better b/c he won more Mr. Olympias than Dorian.
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
read your own quote again, idiot. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC or 03. So what does this have to do with Ronnie's most dominating wins?
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at least you admit you have nothing to work with. You're right that the judging in 93 hasn't been repeated. That doesn't mean no one else has won in more dominating fashion.
No thats exactly what it means
are you purposely acting stupid? I can't tell anymore with you. Show me where I was being serious when I said Ronnie is better b/c he won more Mr. Olympias than Dorian.
lol ( shakes head )
read your own quote again, idiot. Nowhere does it mention the 01 ASC or 03. So what does this have to do with Ronnie's most dominating wins?
again it doesn't matter please post the quotes that say due to the stunning superiority the judges saw no need to include Ronnie 2001/2003 in the muscularity round
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it doesn't matter , was Ronnie so 'stunningly superior ' at the 2001 Arnold Classic that the judges didn't need to include him in the muscularity round? let me answer for you NO thanks for playing have a nice day
sigh.
you still cannot grasp the concept that not including a competitor in a round but scoring them as the best of that particular round anyway is by definition the very worst judging in history..biased, partial and screaming of predetermined scoring..
why do you not want to admit that the judges were not doing their jobs properly?
why do you not want to admit that the judges pulled the score out of their asses?
you claim to know so much about the judging, yet when the normal protocol that ensures fairness is thrown out the window, you act like its a great thing.. ::)
you have no CLUE how the judging works.
if you did, you would be criticizing the judges for doing what they did.. ::)
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again you're chasing ME around constantly trying to equal the score if I got my ass handed to me as much as you did I would be looking for revenge HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
the irony of you saying I'm chasing you around when you've been following me around ever since I responded to another person in this thread. I replied to you and you keep responding. Then you claim I'm chasing you like a puppy dog when it's the complete opposite of this. ::)
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the irony of you saying I'm chasing you around when you've been following me around ever since I responded to another person in this thread. I replied to you and you keep responding and responding. Then you claim I'm chasing you like a puppy dog when it's the complete opposite of this. ::)
Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room
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Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room
keep saying the opposite of reality. I didn't even respond to you in this thread until you singled me out. Your life must be so boring that you instigate wars on Getbig for attention. :-\
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keep saying the opposite of reality. I didn't even respond to you in this thread until you singled me out. Your life must be so boring that you instigate wars on Getbig for attention. :-\
it takes to sides to wage war , stop acting like you're above the nonsense when you're knee deep in it ;) and like I've said many , many times before if I was so wrong , and so insane , and so far off base the truce thread would have been 2 pages , any thread I posted in or the name " Dorian Yates " appears in its a sure bet it will be big ever wonder why? ;)
I walked away from the truce thread something you , Hulkster , pumpster , etc couldn't do ;) the truce thread follows ME ever wonder why?
you believe what you want Neo I have no control over your perception I can only correct your ignorance ;)
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Sure , sure I'm no longer in the Truce thread and low and behold , Neo , Hulkster , pumpster and the rest of camp-delusional are following me around thats blatantly obvious , you're a child begging for my attention and if the mood strikes me I'll throw you a bone until you bore me and the I send you to your room
of course your no longer in the truce thread.
you pulled a Kevin Thorton and ran away when you couldn't counter the evidence anymore..lol
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of course your no longer in the truce thread.
you pulled a Kevin Thorton and ran away when you couldn't counter the evidence anymore..lol
Thats your spin ;) people with nothing vested in this debate refer to you as ' retard ' lol
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Thats your spin ;) people with nothing vested in this debate refer to you as ' retard ' lol
its not my spin.
its exactly what happened.
you and Kevin are alike: sore, cowardly losers who run from people that own them.
ie you both run from ME.
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its not my spin.
its exactly what happened.
you and Kevin are alike: sore, cowardly losers who run from people that own them.
ie you both run from ME.
yeah just like Dorian lost in 1993 that really happened too lol next
Hulkster quitting while you're ahead isn't the same as quitting ;) something you wouldn't know about lol
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neither is quitting because you are losing, ala ND and Kevin Thorton lol
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of course your no longer in the truce thread.
you pulled a Kevin Thorton and ran away when you couldn't counter the evidence anymore..lol
evidence anymore?
like the facts that were proven you posting fake pics.
doens't matter if you did or didnt' - the pics i posted in the first page of this thread of enough evidence.
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evidence anymore?
like the facts that were proven you posting fake pics.
doens't matter if you did or didnt' - the pics i posted in the first page of this thread of enough evidence.
yeah sure, what fake pics?
the pics even Kevin Thorton couldn't prove were fake? the pics that he tried to say were faked, was shown otherwise by me and left in shame?
yeah, those are the pics..
lol and your the idiot that even claims the ForcedReps screencaps were fake from day 1. ::)
your even dumber than the rest of the nuthuggers LOL
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yeah sure, what fake pics?
the pics even Kevin Thorton couldn't prove were fake? the pics that he tried to say were faked, was shown otherwise by me and left in shame?
yeah, those are the pics..
lol and your the idiot that even claims the ForcedReps screencaps were fake from day 1.
your even dumber than the rest of the nuthuggers LOL
He doesen't need to provide proof because he's an authority. The "proof" in this case is something that you would probably not even understand, given that it is technical in nature and requires specialized knowledge that you lack. This would be akin to a physicist telling you that a graviton has zero electric charge and resting mass, and you demanding him to prove it. The proof would be so technical, convoluted and complex that it would have no relevance to non-physicists.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He doesen't need to provide proof because he's an authority. The "proof" in this case is something that you would probably not even understand, given that it is technical in nature and requires specialized knowledge that you lack. This would be akin to a physicist telling you that a graviton has zero electric charge and resting mass, and you demanding him to prove it. The proof would be so technical, convoluted and complex that it would have no relevance to non-physicists.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what total bullshit!
you think he can't provide proof because its too technical? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
newflash buddy ::):
he can't provide proof because there was none - the pics were not shopped as I showed him..why do you think he ran like a pussy?
The proof would be so technical, convoluted and complex
and completely and totaly WRONG.
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He doesen't need to provide proof because he's an authority
LOL he needs to provide proof otherwise his opinion means absolutely jack shit without corroborating evidence.
ps where is Kevin now?
oh yeah - he fears being proven wrong so he took a hike
yeah, what a great authority on screencaps LOL ::)
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LOL he needs to provide proof otherwise his opinion means absolutely jack shit without corroborating evidence.
ps where is Kevin now?
oh yeah - he fears being proven wrong so he took a hike
yeah, what a great authority on screencaps LOL ::)
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no doubt ND is PMing Kevin every day BEGGING for him to return LOL
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wrong, it's not a good answer b/c you jump to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up. Show me where the judges explicitly said Dorian's performance in 93 was the most dominant of all-time.
Show me a quote where it's stated that Ronie 2003 was first, second, third and fourth. Unless you can provde that, you can't claim that Dorian wasn't more dominant than Ronnie because the quote that Dorian was "first, second and third" as the most hyrblic we've seen so far atesting to a Mr.Olypia's dominance. Thanks for playing. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He doesen't need to provide proof because he's an authority. The "proof" in this case is something that you would probably not even understand, given that it is technical in nature and requires specialized knowledge that you lack. This would be akin to a physicist telling you that a graviton has zero electric charge and resting mass, and you demanding him to prove it. The proof would be so technical, convoluted and complex that it would have no relevance to non-physicists.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Haha, epic intelligence-related attention seeking. The proof here is hardly 'technical, convoluted and complex'. Well maybe convoluted, in that it's been twisted past all recognition. Bodybuilding is subjective, there's no point saying Dorian looks worse but technically he's better, because he still LOOKS worse, and in BB that's all that matters.
Maybe HIT training is really clever, and maybe his sartorious is really pronounced, and maybe one can attempt intellectualise the merits of black and white pics of Dorian next to coloured ones of Ronnie, but that doesn't escape the fact that next to 2003 Ronnie he would look tiny!
Dorian's arms would appear not to exist, his back, though drier would appear smaller and his sartorious would be lost in the other-worldly mass of Ronnie quads that year. Plus Ronnie's ass and hams - a big deal for Olympia judges - never looked like 2003 when he competed against Dorian, so posting pics of that comparison is silly. Ronnie never had Ruhl-dwarfing delts in 96 either, and Flex's 93 package was not the same level of competition as 2003 Ronnie by about 55lb. I know Ronnie's lines weren't great but in the big poses he would have dominated. 'Teh Chad' maketh the man.
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but that doesn't escape the fact that next to 2003 Ronnie he would look tiny!
Then let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs off-season to Ronnie. It's only fair. I mean, if you are going to completely ignore Ronnie's 2003 shitty conditioning and horrible symmetry in favor of his size, then I see no reason why I should compare a perfectly symmetrical, superbly conditoned 260 lbs Dorian to a fat, edema-ridden and grossly assymetrical 290 lb Ronnie. Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, so he would probably be just as ripped and dry at 287 lbs as Ronnie. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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wow its amazing that no matters how amny time u see yates the keg still manages to astound u by looking shittier each times
hahahaha
I give u perfect scores in olympia judging.
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Then let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs off-season to Ronnie. It's only fair. I mean, if you are going to completely ignore Ronnie's 2003 shitty conditioning and horrible symmetry in favor of his size, then I see no reason why I should compare a perfectly symmetrical, superbly conditoned 260 lbs Dorian to a fat, edema-ridden and grossly assymetrical 290 lb Ronnie. Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, so he would probably be just as ripped and dry at 287 lbs as Ronnie.
and you wonder why people think you are a dumbass! ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates27-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates32-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman83.jpg)
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Has Dorian done plastic surgery to his ears?
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and you wonder why people think you are a dumbass!
What are these pictures supposed to prove, moron? Dorian is untanned, unoiled and without special stage lighting and you believe that you can compare him with Ronnie all oiled up, tanned and standing under Olympia stage lighting? Epic fail. It is a wel-known fact that Dorian had a four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season. And learn how to read, dumb shit. I said Dorian would be just as ripped and hard as Ronnie at 287 lbs not at 300 lbs. Consider yourself owned. This one to add to the long list of times I've owned you. No wonder I think you're a dumbass. ;D ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What are these pictures supposed to prove, moron? Dorian is untanned, unoiled and without special stage lighting and you believe that you can compare him with Ronnie all oiled up, tanned and standing under Olympia stage lighting? Epic fail.
ha ha ha, epic excuses. Dorian looks like a fat blob compared to Ronnie in those pics. Are you that stupid you think a tan, oil, and lighting will magically give him separations and striations, and make his fat rolls disappear? By the way, Dorian is oiled up in the pics, you dipshit.
It is a wel-known fact that Dorian had a four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season.
pics? That's like me saying "it's a well-known fact that Ronnie at 320 lbs off season had visible abs and a striated lower back." I'll believe it when I see it.
And learn how to read, dumb shit. I said Dorian would be just as ripped and hard as Ronnie at 287 lbs not at 300 lbs. Consider yourself owned. This one to add to the long list of times I've owned you. No wonder I think you're a dumbass.
you said let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs to Ronnie. ;)
Then let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs off-season to Ronnie.
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In the December, 2008 edition of Flex magazine, a 1993 photo of Yates is displayed on page 156, with the question "Best bodybuilder ever?" The posing of the question in and of itself implies such a sentiment. Interestingly, such a poignant question is raised subsequent to Coleman's reign in the sport where he, according to some, "raised the bar." It would seem that Yates set a standard still unmatched to this day, much to the shagrin of the partisan Coleman supporters.
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Ronnie all oiled up, tanned and standing under Olympia stage lighting?
Tanned? Considering what was said on that subject just a few short weeks ago that you're apparently unaware of, your credibility's permanently in the toilet:
ROME — Italians never quite know whether to laugh or cry at Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. But many reacted with incredulity and outrage after the prime minister, visiting Moscow on Thursday, amiably called the first African-American president-elect in United States history “young, handsome and suntanned.”
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It would seem that Yates set a standard still unmatched to this day, much to the shagrin of the partisan Coleman supporters.
LOL "it would seem" AKA in my opinion as a pasty white guy.
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LOL "it would seem" AKA in my opinion as a pasty white guy.
Actually, the question and possible inclination towards viewing Yates as being the best ever was posed by senior writer Greg Merritt. How do you like them apples? ;D
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Actually, the question and possible inclination towards being the best ever was posed by senior writer Greg Merritt. How do you like them apples? ;D
Given your tenuous reliance on said mag, I suggest then that you catch up the last several years' readings, in which Coleman and his back were credited as the best physique ever LOL
Pssst don't feel humiliated-ND resorted to the same dsperate reliance on quotes until more recent quotes proceeded to blow his ass and claims sky high. ;D
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Given your tenuous reliance on said mag, I suggest then that you catch up the last several years' readings, in which Coleman and his back were credited as the best physique ever LOL
Must have changed their minds. ;D
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Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger."
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Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger."
I was reading MD and they said Dorian's conditioning hasn't been surpassed to this day !
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I was reading MD and they said Dorian's conditioning hasn't been surpassed to this day !
We the jury, in the case of Coleman Vs. Yates, find unanimously in favour of Yates and sentence Hulkster/Pumpster & associates to 36 months without their Bowflexes and Richard Simmons tapes.
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We the jury, in the case of Coleman Vs. Yates, find unanimously in favour of Yates and sentence Hulkster/Pumpster & associates to 36 months without their Bowflexes and Richard Simmons tapes.
lmmfao ! best post of the thread
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ND,
I think you need to remind huckster how the 8 time mr olympia "revolutionized" the sport with the bloated gut montage.
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ND,
I think you need to remind huckster how the 8 time mr olympia "revolutionized" the sport with the bloated gut montage.
:-X
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after almost 20 years retired.... still a Bloody Large lad !!!
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I give you the original GH man, with patented H-taper and unblemished, perfect scores. :o :o
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I give you the original GH man, with unblemished, perfect scores. :o :o
Bitch tits and a GH gut LMFAO best ever my ass
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6'5" 325- HUGE.
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I give you the original GH man, with patented H-taper and unblemished, perfect scores. :o :o
H-taper , yeah I thought so ........next
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6'5" 325 - RIPPED
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6'5" 325 - RIPPED
ripped with plastic shims in his calves
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ripped with plastic shims in his calves
Some use plastic, some use oil thats IFBB...
You can make two Dorians arms out of this one.
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Some use plastic, some use oil thats IFBB...
You can make two Dorians arm out of this one.
And what did his big arms and fake calves get him? ;) 10th place
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All politics my son...
At least Lou doesnt look like a truck driver.
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All politics my son...
At least Lou doesnt look like a truck driver.
oh the default ' politics ' excuse , how about reality? he was never good enough? not got enough to beat Arnold and not good enough to beat Yates , great upper body on Lou .............and that's it
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oh the default ' politics ' excuse , how about reality? he was never good enough? not got enough to beat Arnold and not good enough to beat Yates , great upper body on Lou .............and that's it
Yates was good enough to win one Mr.O, the rest is nothing but Politics... Ugly Phisique,no biceps,no talent and sad gut...... Not much of a bodybuilder
Deal with it.
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:)
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Ronnie is 20X worse and he has bitch tits to boot
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Ronnie is 20X worse and he has bitch tits to boot
Quite a relative statement based on opinion only. I've stated quite a few times in the past, I'm a fan of both these guys, they were the greatest BB'rs to ever step on stage. Yates brought a package that no one had ever seen before with size and conditioning. Coleman is just from another planet, didn't have the conditioning Yates brought, but his size was something no one could ever match.
I don't see the logic in the debate between the two really, they're apples and oranges when it comes to standards. Both greats and there's really no reason to be having these lengthy threads since it simply comes down to who you like personally the most.
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Quite a relative statement based on opinion only. I've stated quite a few times in the past, I'm a fan of both these guys, they were the greatest BB'rs to ever step on stage. Yates brought a package that no one had ever seen before with size and conditioning. Coleman is just from another planet, didn't have the conditioning Yates brought, but his size was something no one could ever match.
I don't see the logic in the debate between the two really, they're apples and oranges when it comes to standards. Both greats and there's really no reason to be having these lengthy threads since it simply comes down to who you like personally the most.
No it's not a ' relative statement based on opinion only ' it's a fact Ronnie had bitch tits and it's also a fact that his gut was worse due to the fact he had a shorter torso , his gut protruded like no other even at very light weights , he was listed at 244-247 pounds and looked pregnant , Dorian had a ' longer ' torso so his didn't protrude as much in fact at a similar weight 1991/1992 Mr Olympia he had NO gut what so ever
and again I disagree it that it all comes down to personal preference , it all comes down to who meets the IFBB judging criteria better.
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In the December, 2008 edition of Flex magazine, a 1993 photo of Yates is displayed on page 156, with the question "Best bodybuilder ever?" The posing of the question in and of itself implies such a sentiment. Interestingly, such a poignant question is raised subsequent to Coleman's reign in the sport where he, according to some, "raised the bar." It would seem that Yates set a standard still unmatched to this day, much to the shagrin of the partisan Coleman supporters.
;) ;) ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
"Ronnie Coleman is absolutely phenomenal, and I really mean that. I would also agree with all the experts who believe that he is the best bodybuilder of all time. However, I don't think he has the most aesthetic body of all time, but having said that, he certainly is the best (for IFBB pro judges) in bodybuilding."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
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Actually, the question and possible inclination towards viewing Yates as being the best ever was posed by senior writer Greg Merritt. How do you like them apples?
;) ;) ;)
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."
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;) ;) ;)
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."
Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger."
Must have seen the light and changed his mind. Looks like big Bubba's living under a big Shadow once again.
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Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger."
Must have seen the light and changed his mind. Looks like big Bubba's living under a big Shadow once again.
revolutionized =/= greatest bodybuilder of all-time. ;)
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Dorian Yates is most definitely the greatest BB of all time - the attention to detail, the focus, the dedication, and most importantly the physique he brought to the stage. He simply annihilated his competition at his best. In 93 it was like a man versus a group of boys. No one matched Dorian's condition. Ronnie got bigger, but it was water logged mass. The only time Ronnie came close to Dorian's condition was 1998 when he was 247lbs - 10lbs less than the standard Dorian set in 93.
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Dorian Yates is most definitely the greatest BB of all time
Well since you said it, it must be true. ???
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And what did his big arms and fake calves get him? ;) 10th place
Ya like placings mean much when the GH man's dominated by so many. ;) ;) ;)
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Denny Crane: Standing and motioning to the chair across from his desk. Oh, please come in.
Ronnie Coleman: Sure, I’m thrilled, actually and a little stunned. I’ve worked here for six years and I don’t believe I’ve actually been in your office (gestures to "raise the roof").
Denny Crane: Actually, I’m afraid the circumstances of this meeting are not pleasant.
Ronnie Coleman: Oh.
Denny Crane: We’re letting you go.
Ronnie Coleman: What? Why?
Denny Crane: It’s not that your performance hasn’t been good, I’m told you do fine fine work. But since the title of "Greatest of All-Time" is not in your future… we prefer to let those bodybuilders go rather than mislead them, it’s only fair.
Ronnie Coleman: Would you mind telling me why that title's not in my future?
Denny Crane: Not at all. You’re fat.
Ronnie Coleman: Excuse me.
Denny Crane: We can’t have fat people working at Crane Poole and Schmidt. That’s all, and seriously, thank you for your past work, I mean that.
Ronnie Coleman: So, I’m being fired because I’m fat?
Denny Crane: Yes, off you go now.
Denny Crane
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bwahahaahahaha the GH man redux.
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by the way ..
who is the worst Mr.O ever
isn't it Dorian .. ???
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No it's not a ' relative statement based on opinion only ' it's a fact Ronnie had bitch tits and it's also a fact that his gut was worse due to the fact he had a shorter torso , his gut protruded like no other even at very light weights , he was listed at 244-247 pounds and looked pregnant , Dorian had a ' longer ' torso so his didn't protrude as much in fact at a similar weight 1991/1992 Mr Olympia he had NO gut what so ever
and again I disagree it that it all comes down to personal preference , it all comes down to who meets the IFBB judging criteria better.
Oh god, you're as delusional as Hulkster ::)
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Ya like placings mean much when the GH man's dominated by so many. ;) ;) ;)
They mean nothing to you because he's white and beat your ebony heros , either all judging is fixed or no judging is fixed stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
you always claim ' politics ' yet have no explanation for 2001 as usual you have nothing because you know nothing .
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Oh god, you're as delusional as Hulkster ::)
I like how you offer up no response but an ad hominem attack , thanks for playing .
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Good...but not as good as Ronnie...that's for sure...no doubt about it...set in stone...the truth right there...
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Flex Magazine Dec. '08: "...Dorian Yates revolutionized bodybuilding more than any other Mr. Olympia, save Schwarzenegger."
Must have seen the light and changed his mind. Looks like big Bubba's living under a big Shadow once again.
Great post !
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Then let's compare Dorian at 300 lbs off-season to Ronnie. It's only fair. I mean, if you are going to completely ignore Ronnie's 2003 shitty conditioning and horrible symmetry in favor of his size, then I see no reason why I should compare a perfectly symmetrical, superbly conditoned 260 lbs Dorian to a fat, edema-ridden and grossly assymetrical 290 lb Ronnie. Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, so he would probably be just as ripped and dry at 287 lbs as Ronnie. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Well you can post those puffy-no-arms pics of Dorian the quadless if you want, they were certainly a big deal in the mid-90s and you are older than me so I understand the impact people must have felt at the time, but objectively speaking 287lb Coleman has more ripped glutes and hams than Dorian ever had. And ripped glutes do not a badly conditioned bodybuilder make.
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by the way ..
who is the worst Mr.O ever
isn't it Dorian .. ???
Right, by far.
Dorian, then Dickerson
Dorian killed bodybuilding with his terrible GH gut.
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Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed. While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness. Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day. Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion. Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.
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Well you can post those puffy-no-arms pics of Dorian the quadless if you want, they were certainly a big deal in the mid-90s and you are older than me so I understand the impact people must have felt at the time, but objectively speaking 287lb Coleman has more ripped glutes and hams than Dorian ever had. And ripped glutes do not a badly conditioned bodybuilder make.
So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed. While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness. Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day. Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion. Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.
;) ;) ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman12.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman14.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie84.jpg)
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/RonnieStats.jpg)
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So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.
ha ha ha, I love how you try to connect the dots. "If this... then that." LOL. I'll believe it when I see pics. ;)
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Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique? You can't point out any, because nothing is missing. Thanks again for playing. You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.
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Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique? You can't point out any, because nothing is missing. Thanks again for playing. You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.
you're missing the point. I could say the same about Shawn Ray, "Where are the weak spots?" It's not that Dorian wasn't great. To put it simply, Ronnie was better. ;)
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Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed. While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness. Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day. Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion. Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.
Good point which the Coleman lot won,t take in, in a constructive sence, and they will always fire back with Dorians GH gut and ripped bicep (witch was not there on a prime 93 Yates) ....and yet don,t want to discuss Ronnie's shortcomings especially the GYNO and CALF issue and in later years his GH gut that really did set a new STANDARD among Olympia champions, from head to toe a prime Dorian Yates was and still is the most COMPLETE Mr O champion ever...bar none which is WHY he lost just 2 times only in his Pro Dominance, as visually awesome as Big Ron was he was NEVER as COMPLETE from head to toe as Dorian Yates but its probally because of "politics" that Dorian was only Defeated 2 times and its probally because of "politics" that Ronnie was Defeated more times than Dorian's whole Pro competitive career...yeah thats it...its got to be...Ronnie's bigger and more massive than Dorian....yeah there you go...
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Dorian set the standard in 1993, which has not been matched or surpassed. While I believe he was even better in 1995, it was 1993 where there were not yet any muscle tears to detract in any way from his greatness. Simply put, Dorian presented the most complete and conditioned physique to grace an IFBB stage, even to this day. Critics of Dorian's reign, try as they might, cannot realistically dispute this or provide evidence of a more complete champion. Their partisan views are equally as apparent as the flaws displayed by their personal favorites, whether it be missing calves, backs, gyno or synthol filled bodyparts. The 1993 incarnation of Dorian's physique exhibited none of such flaws.
Exactly Dorian was missing nothing in 1993 he had size , unmatched density & dryness , he lacked no muscle group , he looked great from all angles , his posing was worked for his physique and he knew how to present his physique to his best , he was complete from head to toe , was Ronnie? NO
2001 Ronnie was at least 10 pounds lighter , couldn't match Dorian in terms of density & dryness , was incomplete and never mind his posing , Dorian was and is still to this day the most complete Mr Olympia ever , his physique in 1993 lacked nothing .
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No snythol , no torn muscles , no bitch tits , no weaknesses , no excuses
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you're missing the point. I could say the same about Shawn Ray, "Where are the weak spots?" It's not that Dorian wasn't great. To put it simply, Ronnie was better. ;)
Shawn Ray was to Dorian, what Franco was compared to Arnold.
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Shawn Ray was to Dorian, what Franco was compared to Arnold.
Weaknesses on Shawn Ray? lol lack of mass , height , high calves , short legs longish torso , no back width what so ever narrow clavicles , , he had an awesome physique no doubts but the sport past him by eons ago
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Simply put, where are the weak spots on 1993 Yates's physique? You can't point out any, because nothing is missing. Thanks again for playing. You'll receive the Getbig home game and a copy of Ronnie Coleman's "Calf Training for Dummies." - forward by Lou Ferrigno.
small arms
calves too big for his quads
quads lacked cuts
wide waist
strange gap between lower part of inner chest
somewhat shallow chest
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small arms
calves too big for his quads
quads lacked cuts
wide waist
strange gap between lower part of inner chest
somewhat shallow chest
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LMFAO small arms , biceps maybe , triceps & forearms were NOT small , correction #1
calves to big for quads nonsense you're to used to looking at the small calves Levrone sported and think thats how they're supposed to be , correction #2
quads lacked cuts , more nonsense , he did tear the quad in 94 so this does obscure the development some what but before that all of the muscles of the quads were fully developed and defined , correction #3
wide waist? relative to who? a 205 pound Shawn Ray and a 225 Pound Flex Wheeler? his waist & hips were wider than those but when held tight it lacked nothing , correction #4
strange gap? lol this is a flaw how? this is you knitpicking for ' flaws ' correction #5
Shallow chest LMFAO just plain retarded
need anything else corrected? please let me know .
1993 Dorian was above and beyond anything the sport has shown even to this day .
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small arms lmao
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LMFAO small arms , biceps maybe , triceps & forearms were NOT small , correction #1
calves to big for quads nonsense you're to used to looking at the small calves Levrone sported and think thats how they're supposed to be , correction #2
quads lacked cuts , more nonsense , he did tear the quad in 94 so this does obscure the development some what but before that all of the muscles of the quads were fully developed and defined , correction #3
wide waist? relative to who? a 205 pound Shawn Ray and a 225 Pound Flex Wheeler? his waist & hips were wider than those but when held tight it lacked nothing , correction #4
strange gap? lol this is a flaw how? this is you knitpicking for ' flaws ' correction #5
Shallow chest LMFAO just plain retarded
need anything else corrected? please let me know .
1993 Dorian was above and beyond anything the sport has shown even to this day .
Meltdown haha this is the same clown who previously said that Schwarzenegger was better. Massive self-ownage.
His hero Schwarzenegger who specifically criticized Yates in the 90s for a "weightlifter" physique that "wasn't what BB should be" hahahahaa
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Meltdown haha this is the same clown who previously said that Schwarzenegger was better.
Thanks for following me yet again ;) and not sticking to the topic ;) and not even being able to formulate a cognizant reply ;)
Schwarzenegger is the best Mr Olympia for many reasons , he obviously doesn't have the best Olympia physique ever for many reasons , whenever you want to debate ( which you're scared of ) instead of making personal attacks let me know
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Meltdown haha this is the same clown who previously said that Schwarzenegger was better.
His hero Schwarzenegger who specifically criticized Yates in the 90s for a "weightlifter" physique that "wasn't what BB should be" hahahahaa
Why do you always change your posts? ??? anyway stop propagating this lie that Arnold attacked Yates' physique he was critical of Yates' personality and what he precieved as him not doing enough to promote the sport . I can post the quotes if you'd like and own you even more?
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Meltdown haha this is the same clown who previously said that Schwarzenegger was better. Massive self-ownage.
His hero Schwarzenegger who specifically criticized Yates in the 90s for a "weightlifter" physique that "wasn't what BB should be" hahahahaa
hideous physique. :-X
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Why do you always change your posts? ??? anyway stop propagating this lie that Arnold attacked Yates' physique he was critical of Yates' personality and what he precieved as him not doing enough to promote the sport . I can post the quotes if you'd like and own you even more?
No, he criticized the physique as well-Schwarzenegger always did that with rivals, such as Mentzer and Yates. Didn't really work psychologically in either case.
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small arms
calves too big for his quads
quads lacked cuts
wide waist
strange gap between lower part of inner chest
somewhat shallow chest
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Its sad but all of this true
1. Yes his arms were small - for his torso. For every one "good" pic nd posts there 10 bad ones or ones that refute his claims. Meaning = dorians arms were small. A couple of choice pics wont do it ND.
2. Incorrect. His quads weren't big enough for his calves. Shame
3. Lacked cuts yes. Its not the only thing lacking. Shape was missing, and delineated muscles that almost every bodybuilder had but dorian didnt for some strange reason. Good sartorius however
4. Undeniable. Despite nd idolizing reeves, a torch bearer for narrow hips and waist, he conveniently ignores its absence on yates
5. im glad someone finally pointed it out. Not such a weakness but it does point to poor insertions. See biceps for further evidence
6. Shallow simply because of the thickness of his abs and stomach which became chronic later on in his career.
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No, he criticized the physique as well-Schwarzenegger always did that with rivals, such as Mentzer and Yates. Didn't really work psychologically in either case.
No he didn't stop lying , he bitched about the way the guys dressed , the fact there were NO personalities in the sport like when he competed , the fact that Yates wasn't doing enough to promote bodybuilding and the fact he won the title and returned back to England he didn't disparage his physique in the least you're a liar plain & simple
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No he didn't stop lying , he bitched about the way the guys dressed , the fact there were NO personalities in the sport like when he competed , the fact that Yates wasn't doing enough to promote bodybuilding and the fact he won the title and returned back to England he didn't disparage his physique in the least you're a liar plain & simple
Wake up, this has been discussed on getbig. No one argued about it, overcome your denial. I remember the comments in the mag well myself. Deal with it.
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LMFAO small arms , biceps maybe , triceps & forearms were NOT small , correction #1
calves to big for quads nonsense you're to used to looking at the small calves Levrone sported and think thats how they're supposed to be , correction #2
quads lacked cuts , more nonsense , he did tear the quad in 94 so this does obscure the development some what but before that all of the muscles of the quads were fully developed and defined , correction #3
wide waist? relative to who? a 205 pound Shawn Ray and a 225 Pound Flex Wheeler? his waist & hips were wider than those but when held tight it lacked nothing , correction #4
strange gap? lol this is a flaw how? this is you knitpicking for ' flaws ' correction #5
Shallow chest LMFAO just plain retarded
need anything else corrected? please let me know .
1993 Dorian was above and beyond anything the sport has shown even to this day .
no i can make the corrections
yes his arms too small in comparison with his upper body, nobody gives a shit about forearms as long as they aren't too small
no they did not have deep cuts, show me a pic that shows the cuts his competion had
yes he had a wide waist, holding a waist tight doesn't mean you don't have a wide waist
the gap in his chest makes his chest look worse, how could you not think of that as a structural flaw, makes his hands clasped most muscular look goofy
his chest looked like two pancakes, the wide waist made his chest look worse
93 dorian was the dagger in the heart of this once proud sport :-*
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small arms lmao
for every good arm pic of dorian, there are 10 bad ones
edit: just noticed "sculpture" said the same thing haha
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The original H-taper.
Smallish but very cut tris-fools novices into thinking there was size there.
Forearms unimportant-see Schwarzenegger and Coleman forearms. Bis forgeddaboudit.
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Its sad but all of this true
1. Yes his arms were small - for his torso. For every one "good" pic nd posts there 10 bad ones or ones that refute his claims. Meaning = dorians arms were small. A couple of choice pics wont do it ND.
2. Incorrect. His quads weren't big enough for his calves. Shame
3. Lacked cuts yes. Its not the only thing lacking. Shape was missing, and delineated muscles that almost every bodybuilder had but dorian didnt for some strange reason. Good sartorius however
4. Undeniable. Despite nd idolizing reeves, a torch bearer for narrow hips and waist, he conveniently ignores its absence on yates
5. im glad someone finally pointed it out. Not such a weakness but it does point to poor insertions. See biceps for further evidence
6. Shallow simply because of the thickness of his abs and stomach which became chronic later on in his career.
1. Yes his arms were small - for his torso. For every one "good" pic nd posts there 10 bad ones or ones that refute his claims. Meaning = dorians arms were small. A couple of choice pics wont do it ND.
Arms include forearms which were NOT small , and triceps , again NOT small and they weren't small of his torso AT HIS BEST pay attention to that in caps , at times his biceps were small etc but his ARMS weren't small thats a lie
2. Incorrect. His quads weren't big enough for his calves. Shame
Nonsense , his quads were big enough AT HIS BEST
3. Lacked cuts yes. Its not the only thing lacking. Shape was missing, and delineated muscles that almost every bodybuilder had but dorian didnt for some strange reason. Good sartorius however
The ONLY problem with Dorian's quads were the pre-tear was the development of the rectus-femoris which wasn't as sharp as others , the rest of his quads were fine AT HIS BEST
4. Undeniable. Despite nd idolizing reeves, a torch bearer for narrow hips and waist, he conveniently ignores its absence on yates
I never ignored it , in fact I've said he does have wide hips especially next to lighter guys it's all relative the only other guy I can think of with a narrow waist & hips at around the same weight was Ronnie , his waist & hips were wide sure , did it prevent his front latspread from being the best ever? NO or how about his standing relaxed? NO
5. im glad someone finally pointed it out. Not such a weakness but it does point to poor insertions. See biceps for further evidence
I'm glad you admit it's not a weakness its reaching for an angle
6. Shallow simply because of the thickness of his abs and stomach which became chronic later on in his career
His chest wasn't shallow that's simple not true , regardless his his gut was problematic his chest wasn't shallow that's simply not true
look everyone has flaws that's a reality HOWEVER how contests are judged Dorian 1993 was the most complete bodybuilder up until then and since
Muscular Bulk - check
Muscle density - check
Muscle dryness - check
Muscle balance - check
Muscle proportion - check
Posing & presentation - check
Completness - check
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for every good arm pic of dorian, there are 10 bad ones
edit: just noticed "sculpture" said the same thing haha
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You missed the key word AT HIS BEST ;)
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Wake up, this has been discussed on getbig. No one argued about it, overcome your denial. I remember the comments in the mag well myself. Deal with it.
I have the mag shall I post the article to own your dumbass again? ;)
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Arms include forearms which were NOT small , and triceps , again NOT small and they weren't small of his torso AT HIS BEST pay attention to that in caps , at times his biceps were small etc but his ARMS weren't small thats a lie
Nonsense , his quads were big enough AT HIS BEST
The ONLY problem with Dorian's quads were the pre-tear was the development of the rectus-femoris which wasn't as sharp as others , the rest of his quads were fine AT HIS BEST
I never ignored it , in fact I've said he does have wide hips especially next to lighter guys it's all relative the only other guy I can think of with a narrow waist & hips at around the same weight was Ronnie , his waist & hips were wide sure , did it prevent his front latspread from being the best ever? NO or how about his standing relaxed? NO
I'm glad you admit it's not a weakness its reaching for an angle
His chest wasn't shallow that's simple not true , regardless his his gut was problematic his chest wasn't shallow that's simply not true
look everyone has flaws that's a reality HOWEVER how contests are judged Dorian 1993 was the most complete bodybuilder up until then and since
Muscular Bulk - check
Muscle density - check
Muscle dryness - check
Muscle balance - check
Muscle proportion - check
Posing & presentation - check
Completness - check
Pictures do not lie
Why you see something different from practically anyone else is beyond me.
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The original H-taper.
Smallish but very cut tris-fools novices into thinking there was size there.
Forearms unimportant-see Schwarzenegger and Coleman forearms. Bis forgeddaboudit.
Where is this h-taper? yeah I thought so ;)
smallish ::) my ass what is better having bigger albeit less cut tris like Coleman?
Forearms are important , it helps with arm balance & proportion something that doesn't matter to you but it does to judges
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Pictures do not lie
Why you see something different from practically anyone else is beyond me.
Pictures don't tell the whole story thats old news
and again I said at times Dorians biceps were to small , at times his gut was out of control , etc , HOWEVER at his best Dorian in for all intent & purposes flawless and complete
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This physique lacks nothing it meets ALL of the IFBB judging criteria
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these are his best pics but i stand by the flaws i pointed out
that gap is a major genetic flaw
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=288810;image)
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these are his best pics but i stand by the flaws i pointed out
that gap is a major genetic flaw
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=288810;image)
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LMFAO that ' gap ' is you reaching very hard for anything that brings Yates down to the mere mortal status of Levrone lol
keep trying for all intents &N purposes Yates in 1993 is flawless
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This physique lacks nothing it meets ALL of the IFBB judging criteria
All of those shots confirm that he had virtually no detail or cuts on upper body from the front! So smooth you could skate on it.
And the arms are completely overwhelmed by delts and boxy waist. His side-tri is misleading, because compared to someone like Coleman he knows how to pose it properly. Here're pics a pic against Levrone who knew how to pose, the keg's tris and arms lookin small! ;D
Why you see something different from practically anyone else is beyond me.
Retards are reality-challenged.
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93, wasnt Flex Wheeler in that mr O? Didnt Jim Quinn have an interesting fact on him?
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All of those shots confirm that he had virtually no cuts on upper body from the front!
You see what you want , and what you failed to take into account is Yates looks much better in person than he does in pics ;)
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93, wasnt Flex Wheeler in that mr O? Didnt Jim Quinn have an interesting fact on him?
0.0 lol
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Yates looks much better in person than he does in pics ;)
-When did you see him.
-Everyone looks more impressive in person.
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LMFAO that ' gap ' is you reaching very hard for anything that brings Yates down to the mere mortal status of Levrone lol
keep trying for all intents &N purposes Yates in 1993 is flawless
like i said, i stand by the other flaws i pointed out
i don't think you know what "flawless" means if you think dorian was flawless, besides the back and calves all i see is flaws
a large hard turd is still a turd
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-When did you see him.
-Everyone looks more impressive in person.
I didn't see him , shall I post the dozens of people who did who ALL specifically stated he looks much better in person than he does on film or video? and that some don't like Shawn Ray?
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like i said, i stand by the other flaws i pointed out
i don't think you know what "flawless" means if you think dorian was flawless, besides the back and calves all i see is flaws
a large hard turd is still a turd
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You don't know what flawless is , which is why YOU think the only pose Yates won was the front latspread . that means YOU don't know how contests are judged and what they look for . Yates 1993 was FLAWLESS according to the people who have the final say , the judges .
what you choose to cling unto for dear life means NOTHING in the face of his overhwhelming strengths
Levrone = loser ( when compared to Dorian )
Yates = winner
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I didn't see him , shall I post the dozens of people who did who ALL specifically stated he looks much better in person than he does on film or video? and that some don't like Shawn Ray?
Thought so. Kyomu saw him in person and said he looked less good in person LOL
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Thought so. Kyomu saw him in person and said he looked less good in person LOL
This negates the dozens of others how? it doesn't and we both know it , you didn't want to look stupid by not responding , but don't worry you already look stupid ;)
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You don't know what flawless is , which is why YOU think the only pose Yates won was the front latspread . that means YOU don't know how contests are judged and what they look for . Yates 1993 was FLAWLESS according to the people who have the final say , the judges .
what you choose to cling unto for dear life means NOTHING in the face of his overhwhelming strengths
Levrone = loser ( when compared to Dorian )
Yates = winner
if you truly thought yates was flawless you wouldn't mind looking like him
the judges thought he was flawless with a torn arm, leg, and giant keg in 97 too ::) ::)
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Let's take another look at those huge triceps!
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if you truly thought yates was flawless you wouldn't mind looking like him
the judges thought he was flawless with a torn arm, leg, and giant keg in 97 too ::) ::)
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He's flawless under the IFBB judging criteria NOT my my aesthetic preference stop confusing the two you can't separate what you like from what would win , I can
and he meet the criteria in 1997 not as good as he did in 93 but compared to Nasser and the rest he was the biggest , hardest , dryest guy onstage and that was good enough for him to win , do I agree with that win? NO does it mean he should have lost? NO
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Let's take another look at those huge triceps!
posting strawmen pictures prove NOTHING except bias , why go through the effort when you're so easily corrected? oh I know because you're a troll
same contests
pumpster = owned troll
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He's flawless under the IFBB judging criteria NOT my my aesthetic preference stop confusing the two you can't separate what you like from what would win , I can
and he meet the criteria in 1997 not as good as he did in 93 but compared to Nasser and the rest he was the biggest , hardest , dryest guy onstage and that was good enough for him to win , do I agree with that win? NO does it mean he should have lost? NO
the judging criteria thinking that blob in 97 was flawless is a joke
name one contest where you completely disagreed with who the judges picked as winner
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the judging criteria thinking that blob in 97 was flawless is a joke
name one contest where you completely disagreed with who the judges picked as winner
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1981
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1981
franco won right?
so much for your "musciular bulk and density" argument ;D
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posting strawmen pictures prove NOTHING except bias , why go through the effort when you're so easily corrected? oh I know because you're a troll
same contests
pumpster = owned troll
ND = simpleton.
Post an impressive side-tri where he's standing next to someone his size LOL
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ND = simpleton.
Post an impressive side-tri where he's standing next to someone his size LOL
pumpster = troll
here you go , he's flexed as are all there are and he's DOMINATING both
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Shall I continue? ;)
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pumpster = troll
here you go , he's flexed as are all there are and he's DOMINATING both
ND = goofy. Poor comebacks-some of them aren't even doing the side-tri on the others they're on severe angles
OWNED as predicted bwahahaahahaah
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ND = goofy-none of those are clear-cut like mine some of them aren't even doing the side-tri bwahahaahahaah
You're being silly , none of them are clear cut , just stop it now . the pics I posted were from the same contest and others , despite his lack of arm mass like you claim Dorian is clearly dominating all of his contemporaries in this pose you really don't have any legs to stand on .
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ND = goofy. Poor comebacks-some of them aren't even doing the side-tri on the others they're on severe angles
OWNED as predicted bwahahaahahaah
Dorian looks better than Kev here pumpster, you cant get a picture any more clear than this one
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Dorian looks better than Kev here pumpster, you cant get a picture any more clear than this one
HA ha ha pumpster owned and you don't get triceps like those from the Bow Flex lol
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pumpster = troll
here you go , he's flexed as are all there are and he's DOMINATING both
What, in triceps? I don't see him dominating Kevin there. Kevin's triceps were larger than Dorian's.
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What, in triceps? I don't see him dominating Kevin there. Kevin's triceps were larger than Dorian's.
Reality escapes this moron that's what makes her funny.
Next up: ND refutes the laws of gravity LOL
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You're being silly , none of them are clear cut , just stop it now . the pics I posted were from the same contest and others , despite his lack of arm mass like you claim Dorian is clearly dominating all of his contemporaries in this pose you really don't have any legs to stand on .
That is a SICK pic of Dorian. Small waist, vascular and grainy as hell! :o
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What, in triceps? I don't see him dominating Kevin there. Kevin's triceps were larger than Dorian's.
In what? the whole pose , larger doesn't mean better by the way .
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Pumpster the troll getting owned as usual LOL. It's too easy.
Dorian presented the greatest physique ever seen on the Mr. O stage.
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Shall I continue? ;)
Bloody hell :o :o :o those are some shots of Dorian hitting the side tricep you don,t see to often UNBEALIVABLE from head to toe Massive, dence as hell, propotioned, Complete, ripped etc.... :o :o :o
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
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The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.
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The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.
Incredible. That was never duplicated.
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So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I don't think I was aware of that actually. Milos Sarcev estimated him to be 3% bodyfat at that comp. Maybe not the dryest throughout the whole comp but certainly in a lot of shots he was dry enough and vascular enough to make everyone else look flat as a pancake, and decidedly small. Dorian never competed anywhere 287lb, which I know shouldn't matter, but you still can't come out with such unfounded tripe as "well if Dorian competed at 287lb he's be more ripped than Ronnie was ", because Dorian never got near that. I could just retort with "well, if Ronnie was 400lb then he'd be much bigger and more ripped than Dorian". It's speculative nonsense. Dorian at 305 still had weird stick arms, fact. Massive bloated belly and undersized quads by today's standards too, if you actually look at them and not his awesome calves. HUGE back, yes, but don't overlook these other things, and don't make stuff up.
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So what? Dorian at 287 lbs would be less water logged and would have superior definition to his back and a smaller gut. If Dorian had a visible four-pack and christmas-tree at 305 lbs off-season, then it's not hard to conclude that he would be more than competitive with Ronnie in terms of conditioning when weighting 18 lbs less. I dpn't know if you're aware of this, but Ronnie ws not exactly Mr.Conditioning at the 2003 Mr.Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you are joking right ? ::)
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you are joking right ? ::)
I think Big Ron is incredible but why in gods name does he have to shove his trunks up his ass?
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I think Big Ron is incredible but why in gods name does he have to shove his trunks up his ass?
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It was brutal muscle....yet proportioned and dry....
Dorian exuded something intangible that no one else has ever had
those calves alone....jesus
he had this awe-inspiring aura....
jay, levrone, corimer and wheeler all gunned for Ronnie and truly believed they were better
NO ONE believed they ever had Dorians measure....even Haney quietly left the stage after what he saw in 1991
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It was brutal muscle....yet proportioned and dry....
Dorian exuded something intangible that no one else has ever had
those calves alone....jesus
he had this awe-inspiring aura....
jay, levrone, corimer and wheeler all gunned for Ronnie and truly believed they were better
NO ONE believed they ever had Dorians measure....even Haney quietly left the stage after what he saw in 1991
everyone felt this way about ronnie after 2003
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
great post mate.
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The most complete side tricep of any MR OLYMPIA ever, massive, dence, Proportioned, and as dry as Hell.
Why does his stomach practically protude out as far in his chest - in all side tri shots?
I think you need to seriously review your criteria for "most complete side tricep"
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
shear dominance? LOL
look at the lat spread you posted with shawn for example.
shawn has better chest, way better quads, better arms etc.
dorian's quads were some of the worst onstage in the top 6 - always.
look at his arms in the lat spread - small and detail-less.
dorian had major flaws that the judges never marked him down for.
thats why he has such a reputatation esp. post tear of being such a gifted mr. o... :-\
you could have picked some way better shots that for you to show his supposed dominance from the front.
actually - no you couldn't - because as all the muscletime pics show, he was not very dominant from the front at all...
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hahahaha, Dorian getting owned beyond belief by Shawn and Levrone, he never stood a chance against this monster. :o
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Why does his stomach practically protude out as far in his chest - in all side tri shots?
I think you need to seriously review your criteria for "most complete side tricep"
hahaa these nerds are so busy contratulating one another for their good taste that they conveniently ignore both the gut and the fact that he's not blowing away any these guys in the side-tri and clearly has less triceps size.
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
Meandering, long-winded internet diahhrea LOL Grammatically suspect, obviously from the brilliant ND school of logic. :-[
Yates is smooth and lacking detail on the front shots.
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fact is, dorian got routinely bested by shawn from the front.
and in 94, he actually had a better rear double bi than dorian too.
these are from 95, and you can see how badly shawn owned dorian:
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its always so funny watching the yates nuthuggers try and explain verbally how he supposedly 'dominates' from the front lol
and then they post pics showing him getting dominATED from the front LOL
fact is, Yates was nothing special from the front.
never was.
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Meandering, long-winded internet diahhrea LOL Grammatically suspect, obviously from the brilliant ND school of logic. :-[
Yates is smooth and lacking detail on the front shots.
My sentiments exact. Flowery and over eloquent. Initially impressive but on closer inspection full of shit.
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My sentiments exact. Flowery and over eloquent. Initially impressive but on closer inspection full of shit.
Pics are worth more than thousands of words of tripe.
EL-SMOOTHO with paunch getting killed.
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
As I was saying.
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94 is hardly "later years".
I'm interested in what you define as "poor photographic representations". Do you mean poor quality shots? Or are you suggesting that despite being unflattering to yates, they merely caught him at a "bad" moment and ihe didnt infact look like shit.
Do you subscribe to the theory that yates looked better in real life than in pictures?
That despite looking poor relative to his contemporaries, in real life the situation was magically reversed hence him being awarded first place.
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I don't think I was aware of that actually. Milos Sarcev estimated him to be 3% bodyfat at that comp. Maybe not the dryest throughout the whole comp but certainly in a lot of shots he was dry enough and vascular enough to make everyone else look flat as a pancake, and decidedly small. Dorian never competed anywhere 287lb, which I know shouldn't matter, but you still can't come out with such unfounded tripe as "well if Dorian competed at 287lb he's be more ripped than Ronnie was ", because Dorian never got near that. I could just retort with "well, if Ronnie was 400lb then he'd be much bigger and more ripped than Dorian". It's speculative nonsense. Dorian at 305 still had weird stick arms, fact. Massive bloated belly and undersized quads by today's standards too, if you actually look at them and not his awesome calves. HUGE back, yes, but don't overlook these other things, and don't make stuff up.
At 3% bodyfat he was not. No way, no how. He was clearly much more shredded at the 1998 Olympia and you can't go lower than 3% bodyfat without dying. So what did he have at the 98" Olympia? -10% bodyfat? Lol. A more reasonable supposition is that he was around 5% to 6% bodyfat. But it doesen't really matter, because the major difference in conditioning between the 98' Olympia and the 03' Olympia was water level. Level of subcutaneous water level becomes more important for muscular definition than bodyfat level once you go below around 7% bodyfat. The bottom line is this: Ronnie 2003 was not even remotely as conditioned as Dorian 95'. Not even in the same ball park. He had more muscle, yes, but a significant % of the weight advantage was fat and water. I am not making anything up. Just deal with the facts.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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shear dominance? LOL
look at the lat spread you posted with shawn for example.
shawn has better chest, way better quads, better arms etc.
dorian's quads were some of the worst onstage in the top 6 - always.
look at his arms in the lat spread - small and detail-less.
dorian had major flaws that the judges never marked him down for.
thats why he has such a reputatation esp. post tear of being such a gifted mr. o... :-\
you could have picked some way better shots that for you to show his supposed dominance from the front.
actually - no you couldn't - because as all the muscletime pics show, he was not very dominant from the front at all...
wrong as always:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy174.jpg)
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pumpster = troll
here you go , he's flexed as are all there are and he's DOMINATING both
are you fucking blind ND ???
that is a LEVROWING of epic proportions
not even close
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Shall I continue? ;)
yes keep posting LevrOWINGS :)
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It is notable that the title of the thread references 1993 as the year whereby Yates presented a physique many believe befitting of the moniker of best or greatest ever. The usual suspects seeking the refute such a claim have attempted to do so by posting slanted and rather poor photographic representations from OTHER years. Such feeble attempts only serve to reinforce the complete and unparalleled development Yates had in 1993 and the futility of trying to prove otherwise. That being said, if critics of Yates want to pander to their biases with pics from later years, I shall do likewise with those from 1995, that despite a biceps tear, display a physique that I would estimate as being superior even to that of 1993. All these years later and still, it has only been Yates himself who could surpass the standard he set in 1993. I will avoid posting a single back shot, as we all know that to be academic for Yates; however, of particular interest to naysayers is Yates's dominance in the side and front mandatories shown.
Great post ! dead on the money .
Yates himself said 95 was his best ever , Dillett who didn't offten hand out compliments to other athletes said he seen Jesus Christ in 1995 and he looked like Dorian Yates
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wrong as always:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy174.jpg)
LOL dorian is the only one flexing in that shot! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
look at shawn's abs
look at kevin - he's not even close to hitting the pose LOL
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this is what the idiiot nuthuggers are reduced to lol :-\
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Do you subscribe to the theory that yates looked better in real life than in pictures?
this is not a theory
it is merely a bullshit excuse given to justify the polital bullshit of dorian's post tear perfect scores... ::)
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I'm interested in what you define as "poor photographic representations". Do you mean poor quality shots? Or are you suggesting that despite being unflattering to yates, they merely caught him at a "bad" moment and ihe didnt infact look like shit.
if you ask the nuthuggers, they will try and tell you that apparently, 99.999% of dorian shots were caught at a "bad moment'
LOL
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yet, with everyone else, this hardly ever happens...
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if you ask the nuthuggers, they will try and tell you that apparently, 99.999% of dorian shots were caught at a "bad moment'
LOL
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yet, with everyone else, this hardly ever happens...
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Dorian couldn't touch this in a million fuccking years, this is bodybuilding.
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this is not a theory
it is merely a bullshit excuse given to justify the polital bullshit of dorian's post tear perfect scores... ::)
i love that theory
yates looked bad in pictures, awesome in person
everybody else looked awesome in pics, small and soft in person ::)
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LOL dorian is the only one flexing in that shot! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
look at shawn's abs
look at kevin - he's not even close to hitting the pose LOL
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this is what the idiiot nuthuggers are reduced to lol :-\
What difference does it make? will Shawn suddenly have more muscular bulk than Dorian? that's part of the criteria , will Shawn have suddenly have more density than Yates? will his back be wider? will his calves be lower and in more proportion with his quads? NO same with Levrone
ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS you can't seem to grasp this concept so while Shawn & Kevin may meet PART of the criteria better than Yates NONE of them meet it ALL better than him and you bitching about slanted comparison lol see hypocrite
thanks for playing I don't know shit about competitive bodybuilding , but you're a loser . ;)
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this is not a theory
it is merely a bullshit excuse given to justify the polital bullshit of dorian's post tear perfect scores... ::)
Ha ha ha meltdown
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are you fucking blind ND ???
that is a LEVROWING of epic proportions
not even close
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you got one part right NOT EVEN CLOSE Yates destroys Levrone
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What difference does it make?
yeah, what difference does it make if dorian is the only one flexing and his competitors aren't LOL
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ND is losing it in a fit of insanity induced by the reality of dorian's gifted undeserved perfect scores...
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Ha ha ha meltdown
ND, only these clowns could suggest that Shawn Ray of all people, outclasses Dorian in a front lat spread, one of the foremost poses that Dorian is known to absolutely dominate. Comments like that illustrate their innate bias and lack of credibility.
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yeah, what difference does it make if dorian is the only one flexing and his competitors aren't LOL
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ND is losing it in a fit of insanity induced by the reality of dorian's gifted undeserved perfect scores...
you're melting down in every post lol you can't answer the questions can you? instead you keep attacking lol the last defense of a weak mind ;)
and Shawn is flexed , Levrone isn't ;)
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you think shawn's abs are flexed? ::)
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i love that theory
yates looked bad in pictures, awesome in person
everybody else looked awesome in pics, small and soft in person ::)
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Mentally challenged ND claims this then admits she's never seen in him in person, while Kyomu who has seen him in person says the barrel was underwhelming.
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ND, only these clowns could suggest that Shawn Ray of all people, outclasses Dorian in a front lat spread, one of the foremost poses that Dorian is known to absolutely dominate. Comments like that illustrate their innate bias and lack of credibility.
Even Shawn wouldn't make that claim , what they absolute dummies can't comprehend is ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS which means in every pose from every angle ALL of the criteria is judged , in the front latspread , muscular bulk , muscular density , muscular dryness , muscle balance & proportion , posing & presentation while his contemporaries may have an edge in PART of the criteria NONE OF THEM beat him in ALL of the criteria
this is exactly why Yates dominated like no other bodybuilder om the history of the sport
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this is exactly why Yates dominated like no other bodybuilder om the history of the sport
Exactly.
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ND please explain how dorian can have such little detail in his arms, chest, such poor quads in terms of detail and sweep compared to shawn, his arms far undersized for his torso etc.
and still be as great as you claim LOL
please explain for us all using great shots like this:
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are you fucking blind ND ???
that is a LEVROWING of epic proportions
Not blind, reality-challenged aka "special". Now she's lashing out in every post by overusing meltdown even when it doesn't apply LOL
The bricklayer crushed part XXVI
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ND please explain how dorian can have such little detail in his arms, chest, such poor quads in terms of detail and sweep compared to shawn, his arms far undersized for his torso etc.
and still be as great as you claim LOL
please explain for us all using great shots like this:
where is the detail in shawn's chest in that shot?
your answer is that yates was dryer and harder than everyone - even those with more "detail", especially someone 5 inches shorter and 60 lbs. lighter.
shawn was overrated he only won 2 pro shows and probably would not have won much more competing at all the other shows with flex, levrone, nasser, etc.
shawn looks great by himself, but compare him to anyone and he gets dwarfed.
maybe the judges knew about shawn making his mom take the fall when the DEA showed up at his house for drugs and his affair with shasha.
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ND please explain how dorian can have such little detail in his arms, chest, such poor quads in terms of detail and sweep compared to shawn, his arms far undersized for his torso etc.
and still be as great as you claim LOL
please explain for us all using great shots like this:
Yates is totally destroying Shawn in that shot, so you have only served to discredit your own comments with it. Shawn, in comparison, looks extremely narrow and lacking in overall density and development. Of course, my guess is that you see that also, but won't allow yourself to admit as much.
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Mentally challenged ND claims this then admits she's never seen in him in person, while Kyomu who has seen him in person says the barrel was underwhelming.
Typical pumpster you can't prove me wrong so you're reduced to personal attacks lol I'm going to now crush you in grand fashion watch and learn BowFlex ;)
does Kyomu's opinion negate the dozens of others who claim the contrary? NO
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
This is a quote from John Hotten book " Muscle "
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
See how' it's done ? you're owned you and Kyomu ;)
thanks for playing
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ND please explain how dorian can have such little detail in his arms, chest, such poor quads in terms of detail and sweep compared to shawn, his arms far undersized for his torso etc.
and still be as great as you claim LOL
please explain for us all using great shots like this:
this shot is better and shows how truly small shawn was and how he never had a shot at winning.
why is it that you chose a picture to post where its much harder to tell the size difference, especially in height.
your life revolves around posting shots of yates that arent his best or even close.
my shot is what the judges saw = reality.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
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this shot is better and shows how truly small shawn was and how he never had a shot at winning.
why is it that you chose a picture to post where its much harder to tell the size difference, especially in height.
your life revolves around posting shots of yates that arent his best or even close.
my shot is what the judges saw = reality.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
thats from a totally different contest you moron.. ::)
dorian got a perfect score in 95 which is where the first shot was from.
now try and justify his 'perfect' score in 95, when both shawn and nasser owned him in most front poses LOL
this should be good LOL
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my shot is what the judges saw = reality.
yeah, 2 fucking years before LOL
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god you are dumb.
the shot I posted was from 95 and you post a shot of 93 LOL
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you got one part right NOT EVEN CLOSE Yates destroys Levrone
a LevrOWNING would mean yates gets destroyed ::)
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44889-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=57e18d9ac35d195faff0588288d8ff6c)
Vince Gironda....... :o
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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Hulkster pwned. He cannot respond to this.
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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Hulkster pwned. He cannot respond to this.
He can try but everyone knows he is an idiot
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::) yes yes you had to be there blah blah
then came ronnie
BOOOM
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Ronnie does have the superior coco pop on his forehead.
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Yates owned part XXVII
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Perfect scores!
BOOM
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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Hulkster pwned. He cannot respond to this.
Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
he also had less detail than everyone else in most front shots.
forgot about that part didn't you?
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fucking OWNED..
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Piano mover destroyed in one of ND's go-to desperation shots when as always there aren't any good contest shots:
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Yates ownage part XXVII
hahaha look at Flea Labrada OWNING dorian! :o
keep it up please.
you are helping us all see how overrated dorian was.
please keep posting pics!
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::) yes yes you had to be there blah blah
then came ronnie
BOOOM
exactly.
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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Hulkster pwned. He cannot respond to this.
what row was this person sitting in in 95? row 343534563465346345643576 38709345646364? ::)
cause from every other row, you would have seen yates got crushed from the front by nasser and shawn et al...
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Dillet is owning yates in the pic with both of them...
Dillet should have been a Mr. O.
dillet looks massive...
better bi's tri's hams quads chest delts abs equal calves
yet yates beat him on back
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one bodypart and he won....
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yeah, 2 fucking years before LOL
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god you are dumb.
the shot I posted was from 95 and you post a shot of 93 LOL
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actually, you are the fucking idiot in that the shot was for shawn - he was better in 93.
owned as always.
fucking delusional moron.
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ND please explain how dorian can have such little detail in his arms, chest, such poor quads in terms of detail and sweep compared to shawn, his arms far undersized for his torso etc.
and still be as great as you claim LOL
please explain for us all using great shots like this:
There is NO comparison on this shot , Dorian is so far ahead of any front latspread before or since it was taken , the fact that you think Shawn Ray is beating Dorian Yates in a front latspread from 1995 proves my point of how retarded & ignorant you are of how contests are judged , I say you're retarded because I've explained to you dozens of times how contests are judged yet you ignore it harp on one thing YOU think wins this pose , you need Yates to lose this pose but history contradicts you and your bias
you first have to consider Yates looks better in person than he does on film or paper ;) and Shawn looks better on film & paper than he does in reality , of course this contradicts your bullshit so you'll dismiss it because you're retarded and need to despite never seeing either live & on stage
second you have to consider all rounds are physique rounds , meaning all of the criteria is assessed in every single pose from every single angle
let me break this down for you and the other ignorant people who think Shawn Ray is winning this pose
lets start with muscular bulk , Dorian is above & beyond the clear cut winner here 260 pounds VS 205 pounds with a 3" height advantage
muscular density , now Shawn was pretty dense however that's not saying much he weighs next to nothing , what does the judges have to say about density ?
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
a combo of muscle mass ( Dorian 260 pounds ) and muscle density is HIGHLY PRIZED among all competitive bodybuilders , so it's nice being 205 pounds and dense its much better to be 260 pounds and dense which is ironically next to impossible to do , which is among the reasons Dorian kicked the shit out of every pro even at his worse ( 1997 ) another clear advantage to Dorian
Muscle dryness , Shawn is comparable in terms of being dry but again at 205 pounds it's not saying much , it's like density it's great when it's combined with the maximum amount of muscular bulk , Shawn Ray went from 205 to 215 pounds and his conditioning suffered for it which is why he dropped a few places , Dorian Yates is 260 pounds and his dryness has been described as ' having tissue paper for skin ' another clear cut advantage for Dorian in this pose and every other single fucking pose lol
lets move onto muscular balance & proportion , which I've told you takes into account height ( advantage Dorian ) torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , upper & lower body balance and relative length , proportion from one muscle to the next ,
Shawn is shorter than Yates , has short legs for is longish torso , small high calves in relation to his short quads , no width what so ever in the latspreads ( which also takes into account latsweep a huge advantage for Yates ) lets not forget clavicle width , advantage Yates , Dorian's upper & lower body balance is better his torso length & leg length are better and his proportions are better as well , lets add another clear cut advantage to Dorian
Posing & presentation , in this pose LMFAO no contest what so ever Dorian's front latspread is probably the best every from head to toe , the why he hits the shot , the sweep of his lats the amount of space that's left in between his arms , the arc of his rib cage the proportions from head to toe the balance over the whole physique , again I've yet to see any pro match this shot even to this day
Now let me say Shawn does have advantages in this pose , you can see some more detail in the shot ( but you also have to consider Yates looks better in person ;) ) but he does have some advantage in PART of the criteria but as a whole considering all rounds are physique rounds Dorian is blowing Shawn out of the fucking water in this pose it's night & day regardless of what your biased eyes see
You wanted an explanation and there you have it , concise , honest , accurate and it was all judged using the criteria the IFBB judges use. I bet you don't want the explanation now lmfao you just got seriously owned in grand fashion as usual , I don't expect an honest , accurate , intelligent reply from you , I expect the usual denial , excuses and cherry-picking what YOU think wins poses
Hulkster = owned
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Best Mr. O ever
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a LevrOWNING would mean yates gets destroyed ::)
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yates never got ' destroyed ' learn how contests are judged ;)
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JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
Hulkster pwned. He cannot respond to this.
lmfao he can't respond to the other post too , he's on his multiple Yates induced meltdowns
he still hasn't recovered
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Best Mr. O ever
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=288976)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy27.jpg)
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dillet looks massive...
better bi's tri's hams quads chest delts abs equal calves
yet yates beat him on back
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one bodypart and he won....
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i guess you forgot about overall conditioning and presentation.
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i guess you forgot about overall conditioning and presentation.
And the fact that Dillet looks mentally retarded.
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yates never got ' destroyed ' learn how contests are judged ;)
yes, unfairly, apparently.
just ask Muscletime, they know Yates was gifted, and they know more than you
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yes, unfairly, apparently.
just ask Muscletime, they know Yates was gifted, and they know more than you
So, is it your assertion that 1993 was a gift? If so, your opinion is in the clear minority, as even the competitors of that contest themselves readily admitted that Yates was in a class of his own. Flex Wheeler admitted on several occasions during Dorian's reign that the competition was for second place, the inference being that Yates was that dominant, that no one else was close. Also, I highly doubt that any claims of a gift by Muscletime were in reference to 1993, which is the year this thread title specifies. Or, didn't you get the memo?
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So, is it your assertion that 1993 was a gift? If so, your opinion is in the clear minority, as even the competitors of that contest themselves readily admitted that Yates was in a class of his own. Flex Wheeler admitted on several occasions during Dorian's reign that the competition was for second place, the inference being that Yates was that dominant, that no one else was close. Also, I highly doubt that any claims of a gift by Muscletime were in reference to 1993, which is the year this thread title specifies. Or, didn't you get the memo?
Dorian has shit turds that would place ahead of 90% of the pros of that era.
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So, is it your assertion that 1993 was a gift? If so, your opinion is in the clear minority, as even the competitors of that contest themselves readily admitted that Yates was in a class of his own. Flex Wheeler admitted on several occasions during Dorian's reign that the competition was for second place, the inference being that Yates was that dominant, that no one else was close. Also, I highly doubt that any claims of a gift by Muscletime were in reference to 1993, which is the year this thread title specifies. Or, didn't you get the memo?
Flex wheeler also claimed he was attacked by ninjas.
Whats your point?
For a dose of reality and to hear someone not be afraid to speak the truth and who doesnt give a rats ass about appearing humble i refer you to shawn rays section on BFTO 96.
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Flex wheeler also claimed he was attacked by ninjas.
Whats your point?
For a dose of reality and to hear someone not be afraid to speak the truth and who doesnt give a rats ass about appearing humble i refer you to shawn rays section on BFTO 96.
All the coloreds of that era were just jealous of Dorian...and they always stick together against "the man." So...
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All the coloreds of that era were just jealous of Dorian...and they always stick together against "the man." So...
Yes you're right, its a black thing. This whole argument is down to race. No one would argue had he been black with the same physique
Get real
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Yes you're right, its a black thing. This whole argument is down to race. No one would argue had he been black with the same physique
Get real
I think you are a pretty decent fellow.
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yes, unfairly, apparently.
just ask Muscletime, they know Yates was gifted, and they know more than you
Sorry sport Muscltime doesn't know more than me , case in point I didn't they Phil Heath winning this past Olympia with straight firsts ;) they did who won? yeah I thought so
like Muscletime you don't know shit
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Flex wheeler also claimed he was attacked by ninjas.
Whats your point?
For a dose of reality and to hear someone not be afraid to speak the truth and who doesnt give a rats ass about appearing humble i refer you to shawn rays section on BFTO 96.
Point being that as prominant as Flex was in the sport, he had no reservation about admitting that he could not compete with Dorian. At no time did I ever hear of him offering such an admittance about another competitor while competing.
As for Shawn, he was always spouting off to portray himself as more competitive than he really was against Dorian. He knows all too well that he was to Dorian, what Franco is to Arnold. Although, at least Franco did eventually take home the Sandow after Arnold retired. Why didn't Shawn, then? Also, if Shawn was so great, how is it that he only won two pro shows. Indeed, Shawn was good and did well for his relatively small stature, but he was deluding himself if he ever felt he could defeat Dorian.
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Flex wheeler also claimed he was attacked by ninjas.
Whats your point?
For a dose of reality and to hear someone not be afraid to speak the truth and who doesnt give a rats ass about appearing humble i refer you to shawn rays section on BFTO 96.
lmfao ' the truth ' ::) you mean you want to hear someone bitch about the judging criteria and moaned about how it should bend to his style of physique listen to Shawn Ray
let's listen to Shawn Ray immediately after the 1994 Mr Olympia
( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "
Shawn Ray was severely lacking in a big part of the criteria ( muscular bulk ) in all honesty he was lucky he placed as high as he did despite this , great physique was NEVER going to beat Dorian Yates , not in a million years of trying
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yes, unfairly, apparently.
just ask Muscletime, they know Yates was gifted, and they know more than you
And thanks for responding to my post you coward ;) I wouldn't try if I were you either lol why compound the damage?
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Point being that as prominant as Flex was in the sport, he had no reservation about admitting that he could not compete with Dorian. At no time did I ever hear of him offering such an admittance about another competitor while competing.
As for Shawn, he was always spouting off to portray himself as more competitive than he really was against Dorian. He knows all too well that he was to Dorian, what Franco is to Arnold. Although, at least Franco did eventually take home the Sandow after Arnold retired. Why didn't Shawn, then? Also, if Shawn was so great, how is it that he only won two pro shows. Indeed, Shawn was good and did well for his relatively small stature, but he was deluding himself if he ever felt he could defeat Dorian.
Flex competed with Dorian in 1993 and claimed he's " unbeatable " this was prime Flex Wheeler too , not the snythol Flex Wheeler past his prime
Flex competes with Ronnie 1999 turns his back on Ronnie and claims he won
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Flex competed with Dorian in 1993 and claimed he's " unbeatable " this was prime Flex Wheeler too , not the snythol Flex Wheeler past his prime
Flex competes with Ronnie 1999 turns his back on Ronnie and claims he won
It's like a one-two punch that Hulkster just can't handle. Hulkster, do you need a standing 8 count? Ha ha. ;D
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It's like a one-two punch that Hulkster just can't handle. Hulkster, do you need a standing 8 count? Ha ha. ;D
he never recovered from all the beatings he took lol and he's getting more now
he's in a shower crying his eyes out clinging to his autographed Ronnie Coleman glossy 8X10
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he never recovered from all the beatings he took lol and he's getting more now
he's in a shower crying his eyes out clinging to his autographed Ronnie Coleman glossy 8X10
He'll pick himself back up though, he's resilient. He'll have "Eye of the Tiger" cranked up and be going nuts on those Bowflex power rods! Ha ha. He'll then claim that his "Bowflex back" is superior to Dorian's.
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Yates owned part XXVII
LMFAO...ND is exactly right...you are a dummy...you keep posting that pic of Momo hitting a FDB next to Dorian as evidence of Dorians shortcomings against Momo...put some Glass's on and explain how Momo exposes Dorian there in that picture...High calves, thick waist, short and stumpy...yeah he owns Dorian alright..your personal bias of Dorian is incredible...Take a closer look at that shot...break it down on how the Ifbb judges would compare those 2 in that comparison...if theres a BB internet nerd here take a look in the Mirror.
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He'll pick himself back up though, he's resilient. He'll have "Eye of the Tiger" cranked up and be going nuts on those Bowflex power rods! Ha ha. He'll then claim that his "Bowflex back" is superior to Dorian's.
pumpster is the one who brags about the virtues of the allmighty BowFlex he once challanged me to a BowFlex ' bench ' press contest LMFAO
he's has just 30 more e-z payments to fingerhut for his .
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pumpster is the one who brags about the virtues of the allmighty BowFlex he once challanged me to a BowFlex ' bench ' press contest LMFAO
he's has just 30 more e-z payments to fingerhut for his .
A Bowflex bench contest, that's hilarious! ;D Alas, I forgot that Hulkster prefers the vibrating belt massager.
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Now back to our regularly scheduled program with the Greatest of All Time.
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Now back to our regularly scheduled program with the Greatest of All Time.
he couldn't touch this in a million years, this is the REAL greatest of all time.
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every version of dorian that won an olympia gets destroyed by every version of ronnie that won an olympia
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every version of dorian that won an olympia gets destroyed by every version of ronnie that won an olympia
exactly, and anyone who thinks Dorian could touch Ronnie in his prime is high as a kite.
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he couldn't touch this in a million years, this is the REAL greatest of all time.
If you want to get into comparing off-season shots, one need only counter with the black and white 1993 shots to decisively end that debate.
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Dorian-Yates-1.jpg)
OK, I think we're done here.
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If you want to get into comparing off-season shots, one need only counter with the black and white 1993 shots to decisively end that debate.
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Dorian-Yates-1.jpg)
OK, I think we're done here.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Dorian looks like a concentration camp victim there next to Ronnie in this shot.
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;) ;) ;)
It's kind of funny that the top bodybuilders who competed against both yates and Ronnie during their prime state that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, but none of them except for Lee Priest say that yates is. I have never seen quotes from anyone stating that yates is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I've asked the yates fan club to even post 3 quotes from bodybuilders, experts, etc. stating this, but they won't do it. Here are the best bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc stating the obvious:
Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/ Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:
"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia
"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"
5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:
FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O
"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."
"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."
6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:
Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm
"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."
7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:
MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
8) MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245
"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."
9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97
"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”
11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:
“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”
12) Allan Donnelly - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:
“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”
“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”
“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”
13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.
14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”
15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:
“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”
“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.
Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”
16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm
“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”
17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:
“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”
18) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report
http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/
“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”
19) Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”
20) FLEX ARTICLE - O CONTENDERS READY FOR BUSINESS
“Cutler, meanwhile, spoke about his bold promise to shave his famous head of hair if he loses and even called Coleman "the greatest bodybuilder of all time"
21) Flex Team – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable.”
21) Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?
By Lonnie Teper MD December 2005
I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.
Quote, Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"
Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.
Ryan Mackie - My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com):
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Paul Dillet stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."
Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
"When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him. He would walk out on that stage, dominate everybody and walk away with his 9th Sandow."
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
Melvin Anthony - 09/18/2007 OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN Part 1
“Ronnie is in a league by himself”
David Robson on Ronnie Coleman 2006 Mr. Olympia Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson204.htm
“It has been said many times that Ronnie is in a class of his own”
Craig Titus on Ronnie Coleman Mr. Olympia 2003 Preview:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan11.htm
“Ronnie is an absolute freak of nature both on stage and in the gym. If anyone would like to argue with that, please feel free to purchase his training tape and see exactly what a freak does. Never have I seen such strength when it comes to a pro bodybuilder. Now on stage Ronnie has everything he needs to blow the competition away. He's in a class all by himself, period! No one and I mean NO ONE is even remotely close to the amount of muscle he carries and the density at which he carries it. Now we could go body part by part, but still he's the man with legs, shoulders, arms, delts, chest, he has them all beat. The only body part that he could get beat on is his calves.”
Myron Mielke on Ronnie Coleman:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke29.htm
“Why not save the best for last? Ronnie has brought several looks to the stage through his bodybuilding career. Many agree his best look was at his Arnold Classic win in 2001. In 2003 he blew everyone away with the most incredible size and conditioning ever seen in a bodybuilding competition.”
Milos Sarcev - FLEX Issue September 2000:
FLEX Magazine Question: “In a line up of freaks, can the aesthetics of your physique earn you a better than your 10th-place finish last year?”
Milos Sarcev: “Absolutely. I’m looking forward to the 2000 Mr. Olympia because the contest is wide open – with the exception of first place, of course, which is occupied by the one bodybuilder who is both a mass monster and extremely symmetrical and aesthetic. Other than Ronnie, no one is unbeatable.”
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;) ;) ;)
meltdown ;)
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meltdown
how so? It took me like 2 sec. to post that. I didn't type in large font, use bold, say profanity, or call anyone names. Please, enlighten us all how my last post was a meltdown. ;)
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meltdown ;)
Definate meltdown.
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how so? It took me like 2 sec. to post that. I didn't type in large font, use bold, say profanity, or call anyone names. Please, enlighten us all how my last post was a meltdown. ;)
It's fluff all of that has been address multiple times , it's filler to seem like content it's a last ditch effort in desperation.
and ontop of that it's a textbook appeal to numbers , more faulty logic on your behalf .
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So, is it your assertion that 1993 was a gift? If so, your opinion is in the clear minority, as even the competitors of that contest themselves readily admitted that Yates was in a class of his own. Flex Wheeler admitted on several occasions during Dorian's reign that the competition was for second place, the inference being that Yates was that dominant, that no one else was close. Also, I highly doubt that any claims of a gift by Muscletime were in reference to 1993, which is the year this thread title specifies. Or, didn't you get the memo?
where did I say 93 was a gift? ::)
no muscletime has made it quite public that dorian was gifted in 92, 95 and 96 I believe
hell, if you look at 95 on their site, they show a shot OF KEVIN LOL instead of dorian for the 'album cover' LOL
they see what everyone else sees - many of dorian's scores were bullshit.
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93 best ever?
fuck no:
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If you want to get into comparing off-season shots, one need only counter with the black and white 1993 shots to decisively end that debate.
OK, I think we're done here.
hahaa in off-season pix the bricklayer only wins "best black sox".
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It's fluff all of that has been address multiple times , it's filler to seem like content it's a last ditch effort in desperation.
and ontop of that it's a textbook appeal to numbers , more faulty logic on your behalf .
In other words, she can't tell the difference between meltdown and fluff LOL
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where did I say 93 was a gift? ::)
no muscletime has made it quite public that dorian was gifted in 92, 95 and 96 I believe
hell, if you look at 95 on their site, they show a shot OF KEVIN LOL instead of dorian for the 'album cover' LOL
they see what everyone else sees - many of dorian's scores were bullshit.
LMFAO Muscltime is your source they had Phil Heath winning this past Olympia with straights firsts they know what? .........NOTHING they are consistently in stark contrast with what the judges pick what does that tell you? Muscletime opinion is SHIT and you're forced to agree because your opinion is the same thing , worthless and in direct contrast with reality
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In other words, she can't tell the difference between meltdown and fluff LOL
I know what a meltdown is , takes your for example ;)
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hahaa in off-season pix the bricklayer only wins "best black sox".
hahaha so true.
what can the nuthuggers say when dorian is getting his ass handed to him as always by a peak Ronnie?
dorian was only capable of beating a Ronnie Coleman that placed out of the top 6 at the Olympia..
he was very lucky ronnie didnt peak back then.
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hahaha so true.
what can the nuthuggers say when dorian is getting his ass handed to him as always by a peak Ronnie?
dorian was only capable of beating a Ronnie Coleman that placed out of the top 6 at the Olympia..
he was very lucky ronnie didnt peak back then.
peak Ronnie is still smaller than Yates , still not as hard and as dry and still doesn't have better balance & proportion , oh and peak Ronnie's posing sucks as well
peak Ronnie would go down like peak Flex in flames as usual , now wonder why Ronnie said on 3 separate occasions he could never beat Dorian lol suckers
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peak Ronnie is still smaller than Yates , still not as hard and as dry and still doesn't have better balance & proportion
yeah, sure he is:
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as always, bullshit words on a page mean nothing when the visuals show them to be flat out wrong.
as always:
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yeah, ronnie is smaller, not as hard, not as balanced LOL LOL LOL
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hey ND, what do you have to say when your hero's BEST FUCKING POSE gets CRUSHED?:
::) ::) ::) ::)
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Even before Coleman got bigger he was already dominating the keg in size.
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Even before Coleman got bigger he was already dominating the keg in size.
dont tell that to ND
he has to keep typing the same bullshit!
can you imagine if dorian faced this during his reign?
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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LOL
can you believe the bullshit the nuthuggers come up with?
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Even before Coleman got bigger he was already dominating the keg in size.
Same contest , yawn next
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yeah, ronnie is smaller, not as hard, not as balanced LOL LOL LOL
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hey ND, what do you have to say when your hero's BEST FUCKING POSE gets CRUSHED?:
::) ::) ::) ::)
All you can do is deny , deny and deny.
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shall I continue?
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yes, you should because dorian's detail-less untrained arms and piss poor quads look like shit.
try and post something that comes CLOSE to this: \
you won't find it from Dorian.
sorry.
here he is in 93 onstage and he gets murdered by Ronnie 99 onstage.
need I continue?
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this is just pathetic.
no detail to speak of.
aids man quads, aids man arms.
aids man POSE lol
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shall I continue?
By all means continue the mutterings they're hilarious.
Bottom line in one of his "best" poses the barrel loses on every criteria from detail and taper to polish to aesthetics to size. ;)
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yes, you should because dorian's detail-less untrained arms and piss poor quads look like shit.
try and post something that comes CLOSE to this: \
you won't find it from Dorian.
sorry.
here he is in 93 onstage and he gets murdered by Ronnie 99 onstage.
need I continue?
kid listen NO front latspread by Ronnie beats Dorian NONE , Dorian's back kills Ronnies in this shot as does his balance & proportion , density & dryness , and size , Dorian is the front latspread
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
quoted for truth , Yates was known for his front latspread Ronnie wasn't
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By all means continue the mutterings they're hilarious.
Bottom line in one of his "best" poses the barrel loses on every criteria from detail and taper to polish to aesthetics to size. ;)
LMFAO every criteria? we've already established Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian NEVER not in 98/01/99 you pick a year thats already two parts of the criteria he's down , Dorian is 269 pounds in the pic you posted there fore he carries more conditioned muscular bulk thats three he's down , Dorian's lats occupy more space between his arms , Dorian's balance & proportion are better than Ronnie that's two more he's down , and how can you have a great front latspread when your ass can be seen from the front? you can't because that's shitty proportion
the judges look for calves in this shot as well
Dorian has probably the best front latspread in the history of bodybuilding anyone who argues to the contrary is either ignorant & biased and in your case we know what you are
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yes, you should because dorian's detail-less untrained arms and piss poor quads look like shit.
try and post something that comes CLOSE to this: \
you won't find it from Dorian.
sorry.
here he is in 93 onstage and he gets murdered by Ronnie 99 onstage.
need I continue?
yes continue with your meltdown and delusion ;)
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Haney used to own the front latspread , then Yates stole it off of him and it ended there
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289149;image)
dayum, best front lat spread ever right there. It has everything and then some: muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, fullness, and taper.
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kid listen NO front latspread by Ronnie beats Dorian NONE
keep typing the bullshit ND.
because this one DOES:
and your melting down about it:
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I laugh at how pitful the aids man quads are compared to Ronnie's
and yet ND goes on about density, dryness, size LOL ::)
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dorian getting some competition in the detail department...
what was that again ND? LOL
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Dorian's legs are so much better than Ronnie's. They are simply perfect here. Ronnie's legs look like shit. Ugly turnip quads with crisco calves
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289169;image)
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Dorian's legs are so much better than Ronnie's. They are simply perfect here. Ronnie's legs look like shit. Ugly turnip quads with crisco calves
I don't find them perfect at all. Knobby knees, no sweep, blah aesthetics, no great size, invisible hams. The calves while big have no aesthetics and border on ugly, which is his trademark and appeal to ND.
Generic, like ND's "logic".
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speaking of crisco, dorian was as smooth puffy and detail-less as can be:
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I don't find them perfect at all. Knobby knees, no sweep, blah aesthetics. Not compelling or special. Generic, like ND's logic.
its okay, no one else does either.
there is a good reason that the phrase 'aids man' and 'dorian's quads" go together so often by so many on this board.
its a reason that ND and his bitches will never get.. ::)
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speaking of crisco, dorian was as smooth puffy and detail-less as can be:
Says Hulkster while posting a photo that shows a shot of the most detailed lower back of all time. ::)
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Says Hulkster while posting a photo that shows a shot of the most detailed lower back of all time. ::)
Your ADD's kicking in again. Let's dwell on that skating rink mess of a front LOL other than a relative lack of size and minimal defo he's great. ???
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Your ADD's kicking in again. Let's dwell on that skating rink mess of a front LOL other than a relative lack of size and minimal defo he's great. ;)
It would seem that illiteracy (not to mention blindness) is endemic where you live, as you continue to post photos that are not from the 1993 contest, when the title of the thread references 1993. Such a tactic only reaffirms your inability to poke holes in the claim of the 1993 incarnation of Yates as being the best ever.
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It would seem that illiteracy is endemic where you live, as you continue to post photos that are not from the 1993 contest, when the title of the thread references 1993. Such a tactic only reaffirms your inability to poke holes in the claim of the 1993 incarnation of Yates as being the best ever.
You're desperate to appear erudite with the long-winded diahhrea. It's very typical of those eager to impress to use too many words, looking ackward in the attempt. A blowhard. As usual your syntax and abuse of the language reveals a lack of real depth there buddy. ;)
Here's the front again, addressing your ADD. Post a '93 shot if there's a huge difference, let's face it there ain't. ;D ;D ;D
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You're desperate to appear erudite with the long-winded diahhrea. It's very typical of those eager to impress using too many words ackwardly in the process. As usual your syntax and abuse of the language reveals a lack of real depth there buddy.
I know, right? I give him props for trying to appear intelligent but this is Getbig for f*ck sakes.
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I know, right? I give him props for trying to appear intelligent but this is Getbig for f*ck sakes.
Trying is the operative word; i don't find it impressive to try to be something you're not. Even someone like Mike Tyson did it, mangling the language with amusing malaprops.
A hint to the novice here who is over-compensating for a language deficit (the ones who actually know how to construct properly don't do this). Until you really master the language it's a transparent attempt to impress after grabbing a dictionary. Your syntax has all the flow of the keg's physique. Those who know better are on to you, see through your overcompensation LOL
Where were we?
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Says Hulkster while posting a photo that shows a shot of the most detailed lower back of all time. ::)
exactly my point.
wow. a lower back that is very detailed.
and yet the rest of him is ice rink smooth..
how did he get perfect scores again?
oh yeah, shit judging...
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exactly my point.
wow. a lower back that is very detailed.
and yet the rest of him is ice rink smooth..
how did he get perfect scores again?
oh yeah, shit judging...
Meltdown. ;D
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I showed my sister dorian and ronnie in the front lat spread.
She knows nothing about bodybuilding and has never seen them before.
She said that Ronnie clearly looks better...hands down.
Even to the untrained eye, it is obvious Ronnie is better.
BTW, she also said it looks like Ronnie is on steroids :)
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I showed my sister dorian and ronnie in the front lat spread.
She knows nothing about bodybuilding and has never seen them before.
She said that Ronnie clearly looks better...hands down.
Even to the untrained eye, it is obvious Ronnie is better.
BTW, she also said it looks like Ronnie is on steroids :)
Your sister is trailer park garbage. Her judgement is clouded by her desire for the ghetto cock. Sorry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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She said that Ronnie clearly looks better...hands down.
its not hard to be better than dorian when dorian had little to no detail to speak of...fron the front at least..
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notice how ronnie is always hard, vascular and striated, while dorian is always smooth, soft and puffy?
yup.
and ND has the balls to go on about how dorian is dryer, harder bigger LOL
what total bullshit. of course, when ND types such crap, he never shows pics to go along with it.
gee, I wonder why?
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Damn Wheeler has no chance there.....
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289387;image)
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I showed my sister dorian and ronnie in the front lat spread.
She knows nothing about bodybuilding and has never seen them before.
She said that Ronnie clearly looks better...hands down.
Even to the untrained eye, it is obvious Ronnie is better.
BTW, she also said it looks like Ronnie is on steroids :)
To an "untrained eye" is the operative terminology and apply describes all those venturing to discredit Yates's stellar career. Being crowned Mr. Olympia encompasses more than simply "looking" better, or having what might be deemed a more pleasing physique with select "showcase" bodyparts. Many untrained eyes might have deemed Flex Wheeler or Shawn Ray to have been worthy of the crown, but a more studious approach identifies that they were lacking in areas. The same can be applied to Ronnie. A Mr. Olympia should present a physique that constitutes the best combination of everything. In this regard, Yates stands alone. From all angles, Yates had complete development and density that his contemporaries lacked. In 1993 Yates had not a single identifiable weak point, which can rarely, if ever be said about a physique.
This is the area of contention that Hulkster and the like fail to have cognition of, the best overall combination. Even in 1998, when Ronnie made great strides from prior years, he continued to lack in the area of calves and did not have the fully developed tie-ins between muscle groups that Yates had. His chest/delt tie-ins for one. Even while in his best conditioned state, at roughly 247 pounds, Ronnie would not have the density and width, or dryness to contend with a 257-260 pound Yates. In latter years, Ronnie's predilection for getting heavier would only increase the disparity conditioning wise, as he continued to lose detail. Yates had conditioning to spare and if mass became an area of contention in such a comparison, he could have afforded to come in fuller and still outcondition Ronnie, who while big and full, would be holding water. If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
It has often been quoted that Yates could have stepped on stage exactly as shown in the black and white photos (socks and all) and wiped the floor with anyone. Yates's own high standards necessitated that he come in even crisper, but had he stepped on stage in his 269 pound form, I have to wonder if a few more ninja stories would have surfaced in the industry.
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In 1993 Yates had not a single identifiable weak point, which can rarely, if ever be said about a physique.
what total bullshit ::).
how about a thick waist creating a not so hot taper? complete lack of aesthetics?
piss poor quads with little detail?
arms that literally have no definition to speak of in many angles, not to mention completely dwarfed by the rest of his physique?
calves that overpowered his physique?.
this is an abomination: shit quads, puny small detail-less arms, monster calves that are totally out of proportion:
to the untrained eye, dorian may have seemed to have no flaws
but all you have to do is look at normal criteria - things like proportion, detail and definition - and you quickly see that dorian was deeply flawed, thanks to his superthick waist,undersized arms, and quads with the detail of an ice rink.
sorry, but its pretty damn obvious:
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Meltdown!! As per usual, you choose to ignore the obvious when having had it pointed out how Ronnie failed to dominate nearly in the manner that Yates did during his reign.
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yates looks okay, until you compare him to someone way better, someone who has aesthetics along with the mass:
then you see he had a construction worker's phyisque, not a champion bodybuilder:
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Meltdown!! As per usual, you choose to ignore the obvious when having had it pointed out how Ronnie failed to dominate nearly in the manner that Yates did during his reign.
how does the fact that ronnie failed to dominate early in his career have ANYTHING to do with him eventually creating a physique that destroys what dorian offered in 93?
please explain for us all..
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If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
you can't judge bb simply by looking at scorecards..
dorian showed up with a missing arm and was not even marked down for it. so much for accurate scoring.. ::)
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If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
I can't make it any clearer for you Hulkster. You give the same copout answer as always, ha ha. You decry the very same judging system that awarded your hero Ronnie his titles. How is it that this system is only credible when it favours your hero Ronnie? If the judging is valid in the awarding of Ronnie's titles, that same system should be viewed as equally as competant when considering Dorian's wins, which according to that system, were much more dominant than Ronnie's.
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I can't make it any clearer for you Hulkster.
and you can't be any more wrong..
this is how ronnie looked when dorian faced him.
and you are stupid enough to think that because of this he never achieved a better physique than dorian years later?
how sad..
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I can't make it any clearer for you Hulkster. You give the same copout answer as always, ha ha.
and you fail to present visuals, just like ND does..
visuals are your worst enemy
here is your 'perfect' score..
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what total bullshit.
how about a thick waist creating a not so hot taper? complete lack of aesthetics?
piss poor quads with little detail?
arms that literally have no definition to speak of in many angles, not to mention completely dwarfed by the rest of his physique?
calves that overpowered his physique?.
this is an abomination: shit quads, puny small detail-less arms, monster calves that are totally out of proportion:
to the untrained eye, dorian may have seemed to have no flaws
but all you have to do is look at normal criteria - things like proportion, detail and definition - and you quickly see that dorian was deeply flawed, thanks to his superthick waist,undersized arms, and quads with the detail of an ice rink.
sorry, but its pretty damn obvious:
Wow, Huckster, it is amazing you ability to repeat the same pot verbatim again and again. Hoqw many times have I addressed each and every single point you've made in this postin the Truce Thread? 300 times? A thousand? You just argue for the sake of arguing, because you have nothing left to say.
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Wow, Huckster, it is amazing you ability to repeat the same pot verbatim again and again. Hoqw many times have I addressed each and every single point you've made in this postin the Truce Thread? 300 times? A thousand? You just argue for the sake of arguing, because you have nothing left to say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
and you have been completely wrong every time.
you can't create what dorian didn't have.
oh wait, your friend ND does - he photoshops dorian pics, thats how insecure he is about ronnie's dominace over dorian.
he knows full well its not even close, just like you probably do too..
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lol this is just so damn easy!
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how does the fact that ronnie failed to dominate early in his career have ANYTHING to do with him eventually creating a physique that destroys what dorian offered in 93?
please explain for us all..
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Perhaps you should learn how to read! Who mentioned anything about the early part of Ronnie's career ? It matters not what Ronnie looked like during those years, as it does not change the fact that Ronnie, once he became Mr. Olympia, DID NOT dominate as champion nearly in the manner Yates did. Did you not see the listing of years I provided where Ronnie had close calls (AS CHAMPION)? You are sorely lacking even the most rudimentary reading and comprehension skills, in the same manner in which Ronnie was missing calves.
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This is the area of contention that Hulkster and the like fail to have cognition of
To an "untrained eye" is the operative terminology and apply describes all those venturing to discredit Yates's stellar career. Being crowned Mr. Olympia encompasses more than simply "looking" better, or having what might be deemed a more pleasing physique with select "showcase" bodyparts. Many untrained eyes might have deemed Flex Wheeler or Shawn Ray to have been worthy of the crown, but a more studious approach identifies that they were lacking in areas. The same can be applied to Ronnie. A Mr. Olympia should present a physique that constitutes the best combination of everything. In this regard, Yates stands alone. From all angles, Yates had complete development and density that his contemporaries lacked. In 1993 Yates had not a single identifiable weak point, which can rarely, if ever be said about a physique.
, the best overall combination. Even in 1998, when Ronnie made great strides from prior years, he continued to lack in the area of calves and did not have the fully developed tie-ins between muscle groups that Yates had. His chest/delt tie-ins for one. Even while in his best conditioned state, at roughly 247 pounds, Ronnie would not have the density and width, or dryness to contend with a 257-260 pound Yates. In latter years, Ronnie's predilection for getting heavier would only increase the disparity conditioning wise, as he continued to lose detail. Yates had conditioning to spare and if mass became an area of contention in such a comparison, he could have afforded to come in fuller and still outcondition Ronnie, who while big and full, would be holding water. If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
It has often been quoted that Yates could have stepped on stage exactly as shown in the black and white photos (socks and all) and wiped the floor with anyone. Yates's own high standards necessitated that he come in even crisper, but had he stepped on stage in his 269 pound form, I have to wonder if a few more ninja stories would have surfaced in the industry.
Grammatically speaking, that first sentence is an abortion.
Your rambling mental masturbation's reminscent of ND's poor judgement. You deserve one another and this very imperfect, over-hyped and underserving multiple champ:
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Your sister is trailer park garbage. Her judgement is clouded by her desire for the ghetto cock. Sorry.
meltdown
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That first sentence is horribly written.
Learn brevity, you're in love with your internet diahhrea that like the everready bunny just never stops.
You needn't claim it to be horribly written simply because you fail to comprehend its meaning. More petty bickerings and deflections intended to detract from the undeniable fact that Yates was far more dominant as champion. A tactic routinly chosen by the intellectually challenged devoid of the capacity to debate the issues, choosing instead to attack the messenger.
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meltdown
haha
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You needn't claim it to be horribly written simply because you fail to comprehend its meaning.
Nice try. It reeks of the same quality found here on this "perfect BB". ::)
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Damn Wheeler has no chance there.....
That Wheeler annihilates Yates. It's a shame that several great BB were denied deserved victories due to rampant IFBB politics.
Uncle Joe's lips always hungered for white BB meat whenever possible, like ND.
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If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
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If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
I explained this to these dummies eons ago , Dorian defeated Flex Wheeler who in 1993 was at his absolute prime with ease , Ronnie just barely beat him in 1998 when he was at his best , he beat Flex by a measly 3 points to this day one of the closest Mr Olympia's to date
Dorian would trample Ronnie and he knows it hence why he said on many occasions he could NOT beat Dorian
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If it is to be believed that Ronnie could have dominated Dorian, then why did he have difficulty edging out a substandard Flex Wheeler in 1998? Or, his close calls in 2000, 2001 and 2002? How about his losing the title in defeat in 2006? I do not recollect Dorian ever having anyone closing in on him on the score cards. Bodybuilders who nearly toppled Ronnie, never came remotely close to Dorian. Which is even more telling when considering that such bodybuilders were arguably better during the era when Dorian was the champ and they still got destroyed.
flex was not substandard in 98 and ronnie surprised everybody in 98, being favored coming into a contest helps and you know it
how would flex 93 beat flex 98? whatever happened to "muscular bulk and density" nd ::)
the scoring is a joke, dorian getting a perfect score in 97 proves that
who cares that ronnie lost in 06? if dorian stuck around one more year he would've lost to ronnie (if the scoring was fair) and he still would've had two less olympia titles
dorian knew he was done, that's why he retired
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flex was not substandard in 98 and ronnie surprised everybody in 98, being favored coming into a contest helps and you know it
how would flex 93 beat flex 98? whatever happened to "muscular bulk and density" nd ::)
the scoring is a joke, dorian getting a perfect score in 97 proves that
who cares that ronnie lost in 06? if dorian stuck around one more year he would've lost to ronnie (if the scoring was fair) and he still would've had two less olympia titles
dorian knew he was done, that's why he retired
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Your perception is very skewed. In 1997, in less than top form, Yates destroyed everyone. Ronnie was a distant 9th. I can't say where Flex would have placed, as he was too scared to compete and resorted to fictional ninja stories to dodge the contest. If history is any indicator though, Flex would have been crushed as usual. By his own admission, Flex has stated that he was not at his best in 1998. And still, Ronnie barely beat him. Had Yates competed, if we are to gauge by prior contests, Yates would have easily won again.
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and you have been completely wrong every time.
you can't create what dorian didn't have.
oh wait, your friend ND does - he photoshops dorian pics, thats how insecure he is about ronnie's dominace over dorian.
he knows full well its not even close, just like you probably do too..
Lmao...since you insist, let's go over this yet one more time. Dorian 1995 vs Ronnie 1999: Ronnie would have no size advantage, and Dorian would actually be a little bigger by 3 lbs. Ronnie would have more definition to his arms and maybe front quads, but Dorian would have the thicker pecs with equal definition and bigger traps. Ronnie would have superior taper in the front poses, yes, but Dorian would have superior abs/serratus. From the back, Dorian has equaivalent or superior width and thickness to his back with greater definition, but it's a push. Assume they have equivalent backs with Dorian having the edge on some areas and Ronnie on others. Dorian still wins from the back because his calves are bigger and his ass smaller, creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower. So Dorian wins from the back despite they being equivalent in development essentially because Dorian has less symmetrical flaws. From the sides, Dorian has better calves, traps and serratus with essentially the same pec development, so Dorian wins due to superior symmetry. So let's analyse how these strengh and weaknesses of both bodybuilders would play out at a hypothetical matchup between them, both in the symmetry and muscularity rounds:
Symmetry round:
Front relaxed - Ronnie wins in account of superior skeletal and muscular symmetry. Ronnie has structural flaws, such as having a short torso and long legs, but Dorian's structural flaws of having wide, boxy hips is more severe a liablity in this specific pose. Dorian has superior abs, traps and calves. In terms of quads and pecs they are comparable. Ronnie is superior in terms of delts, biceps and taper. All things considered, the advantages Ronnie enjoys over Dorian supercede the ones Dorian has over Ronnie, so Coleman wins.
Side relaxed - Dorian wins hands down. If Nasser wasn't as thick from the sides at 285 lbs compared to a 255 lbs Dorian, then no way no how would Ronnie be comparable to Dorian at the same weight. In fact, Dorian at 260 lbs still holds his own against Coleman at 290 lbs in terms of thickness from the sides, so Dorian destroys Ronnie here in terms of development. When you add into the equation Dorian's superior symmetry evident by the fact that his triceps, calves and traps are in proportion from the sides whilst Ronnie's are not, it is a clear win for Dorian.
Back relaxed - Dorian has superior thickness to his back as well as definition in my opinion. In width they are comparable, although Ronnie might appear wider due to his smaller waist. Let's for the sake of the discussion deem they equal in terms of back. Dorian still wins the back relaxed because his symmetry in this pose is superior: his calves, ass, traps and back are in proportion in relation to one another, whilst Ronnie's ass is too big in relation to his back and calves, and his calves are too small compared to his back and especially compared to his ass. Dorian wins this round.
Muscularity round:
Front double biceps - Ronnie wins on account of his superior taper as well as biceps although it overpowers the triceps a little bit. Both Dorian and Ronnie have biceps and triceps that are out of proportion with each other, but in this pose Dorian's biceps liability is more severe than Ronnie's triceps liability, so the edge goes to Ronnie. Coleman has superior taper and comparable everything else. They are pretty much the same in this mandatory except that Ronnie's arms look more impressive than Dorian, so this single advantage tips the scale in favor of Ronnie.
Front lat spread - Dorian wins, no doubt. He has everything on Ronnie in this mandatory, including taper. Much wider lats, superior traps, better abs, comparable quads and superior calves. From a symmetry standpoint Doran is incredibly superior to Ronnie, both from a muscular as well as structural point of view. Dorian's muscles are far more proportioned in relation to one another in this pose than Ronnie's, who has weak calves compared to his quads, ess dramatic lat-to-waist ratio and poor forearms compared to his biceps and triceps. From a structural standpoint, Ronnie's assymetry in the sense of having short torso lengh to excessively long legs is obvious. Dorian wins hands down.
Abs-and-thigs - Dorian's abs and serratus are better. His taper is also better despite having wider hips because his lats flare out so dramatically in this pose. In quads they are comparable in terms of size, although Ronnie might have an edge in cuts. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has better overral proportions with his taper being better, his calves and traps being bigger and thus being more proportional to the huge lats, whilst Ronnie's traps and especially calves are too small when compared to his huge lats. Overral, Dorian's advantages supercede Ronnie's in this mandatory and he wins flat out.
Side triceps - Dorian's edge in triceps size, lengh and cut give him a severe edge in this pose, just like Ronnie's advantage in biceps size, lengh and cuts give him and advantage in the front double biceps. Dorian's calves, traps and serratus are also superior. Dorian wins this pose from a symmetry standpoint as well because his calves are in proportion with his pecs and back when seen from the sides, whilst Ronnie's calves are way too weak for his pec and lat thickness when seen from the sides. Dorian wins the pose both from a muscular as well as symmetry standpoint, on account of having more massive muscles - only Ronnie's back, pecs and back are massive in this pose, whilst Dorian has massive back, pecs, traps, triceps and calves - and wins in symmetry on account of the fact that he has massive calves and triceps that are in proportion with his massive pecs trpas and back, while Ronnie's weak calves and triceps puts of his symmetry. Dorian wins.
Side chest - Dorian enjoys all the symmetry advantages elucidated above, but Ronnie might have the edge in pec thickness - debatable, because Dorian's pecs were far more developed from the sides than from the front, but let's give to Ronnie. Coleman might have the superior pecs, but Dorian has superior calves, serratus and, in my opinion, traps. This mandatory could go either way, because even though Dorian is far more complete in it in terms of symmetry and actually has more massive muscles in this pose than Ronnie - traps, calves and serratus -, Ronnie has better pecs.
Back double biceps - Dorian takes this one. You would have to be extremely generoud to give it to Ronnie. Dorian has superior thickness and defintion, and is equal in terms of width. He has superior traps. both in thickness and definition, superior erectores and teres major/minor. Dorian also has more massive calves. Overral, Dorian either ties or wins in terms of back, definitely wins in terms of traps and wins in terms of calves. So he wins this pose from a muscularity point of view. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has calves that are in proportion with the massive back, whilst Ronnie's calves are too small for the back. Dorian's ass is also more in proportion with the back, hamstrings, traps and calves than Ronnie's, which is too large for the aforementioned muscles in his body. The ass is a special case, because it is the one bodypart besides the abs that becomes out of proportion with the rest ofthe physique if it grows. When it comes to ass in male bodybuilders, the smaller the better, as a big ass is a feminine trait.
Rear lat spread - Comparable lat spread for them both. Dorian has superior traps, calves and ass. Picking at straws, Dorian wins in terms of back because his christmas-tree is thicker in the rear lat spread and his erectores are also more developed. In terms of symmetry, he once again wins on account of his bigger calves and smaller ass, which are more in proportion to his massive back than Ronnie's calves and ass, which are too small and too big respectively in comparison to his back.
So final score:
Dorian wins 5 of the 7 mandatories of the muscularity round and 2 of the 3 angles from the symmetry round. Now, this is only measuring muscularity and symmetry in the 3 angles of the symmetry round and in the mandatories. I am not including conditioning, which also goes to Dorian hands down when compared to Ronnie 1999.
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Grammatically speaking, that first sentence is an abortion.
Your rambling mental masturbation's reminscent of ND's poor judgement. You deserve one another and this very imperfect, over-hyped and underserving multiple champ:
hahaha so true
Reading this 1derfuls posts makes for some hilarious entertainment.
What i want answered is how come its so painfully obvious that in the majority of mr os dorian was outclassed something silly and DID look like trash.
I want to hear these mugs justify such abnormalities as receiving perfect scores in 97.
What must his contemporaries been thinking at the time? Surely the same that the mentally regular that inhabit this board
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Lmao...since you insist, let's go over this yet one more time. Dorian 1995 vs Ronnie 1999: Ronnie would have no size advantage, and Dorian would actually be a little bigger by 3 lbs. Ronnie would have more definition to his arms and maybe front quads, but Dorian would have the thicker pecs with equal definition and bigger traps. Ronnie would have superior taper in the front poses, yes, but Dorian would have superior abs/serratus. From the back, Dorian has equaivalent or superior width and thickness to his back with greater definition, but it's a push. Assume they have equivalent backs with Dorian having the edge on some areas and Ronnie on others. Dorian still wins from the back because his calves are bigger and his ass smaller, creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower. So Dorian wins from the back despite they being equivalent in development essentially because Dorian has less symmetrical flaws. From the sides, Dorian has better calves, traps and serratus with essentially the same pec development, so Dorian wins due to superior symmetry. So let's analyse how these strengh and weaknesses of both bodybuilders would play out at a hypothetical matchup between them, both in the symmetry and muscularity rounds:
Symmetry round:
Front relaxed - Ronnie wins in account of superior skeletal and muscular symmetry. Ronnie has structural flaws, such as having a short torso and long legs, but Dorian's structural flaws of having wide, boxy hips is more severe a liablity in this specific pose. Dorian has superior abs, traps and calves. In terms of quads and pecs they are comparable. Ronnie is superior in terms of delts, biceps and taper. All things considered, the advantages Ronnie enjoys over Dorian supercede the ones Dorian has over Ronnie, so Coleman wins.
Side relaxed - Dorian wins hands down. If Nasser wasn't as thick from the sides at 285 lbs compared to a 255 lbs Dorian, then no way no how would Ronnie be comparable to Dorian at the same weight. In fact, Dorian at 260 lbs still holds his own against Coleman at 290 lbs in terms of thickness from the sides, so Dorian destroys Ronnie here in terms of development. When you add into the equation Dorian's superior symmetry evident by the fact that his triceps, calves and traps are in proportion from the sides whilst Ronnie's are not, it is a clear win for Dorian.
Back relaxed - Dorian has superior thickness to his back as well as definition in my opinion. In width they are comparable, although Ronnie might appear wider due to his smaller waist. Let's for the sake of the discussion deem they equal in terms of back. Dorian still wins the back relaxed because his symmetry in this pose is superior: his calves, ass, traps and back are in proportion in relation to one another, whilst Ronnie's ass is too big in relation to his back and calves, and his calves are too small compared to his back and especially compared to his ass. Dorian wins this round.
Muscularity round:
Front double biceps - Ronnie wins on account of his superior taper as well as biceps although it overpowers the triceps a little bit. Both Dorian and Ronnie have biceps and triceps that are out of proportion with each other, but in this pose Dorian's biceps liability is more severe than Ronnie's triceps liability, so the edge goes to Ronnie. Coleman has superior taper and comparable everything else. They are pretty much the same in this mandatory except that Ronnie's arms look more impressive than Dorian, so this single advantage tips the scale in favor of Ronnie.
Front lat spread - Dorian wins, no doubt. He has everything on Ronnie in this mandatory, including taper. Much wider lats, superior traps, better abs, comparable quads and superior calves. From a symmetry standpoint Doran is incredibly superior to Ronnie, both from a muscular as well as structural point of view. Dorian's muscles are far more proportioned in relation to one another in this pose than Ronnie's, who has weak calves compared to his quads, ess dramatic lat-to-waist ratio and poor forearms compared to his biceps and triceps. From a structural standpoint, Ronnie's assymetry in the sense of having short torso lengh to excessively long legs is obvious. Dorian wins hands down.
Abs-and-thigs - Dorian's abs and serratus are better. His taper is also better despite having wider hips because his lats flare out so dramatically in this pose. In quads they are comparable in terms of size, although Ronnie might have an edge in cuts. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has better overral proportions with his taper being better, his calves and traps being bigger and thus being more proportional to the huge lats, whilst Ronnie's traps and especially calves are too small when compared to his huge lats. Overral, Dorian's advantages supercede Ronnie's in this mandatory and he wins flat out.
Side triceps - Dorian's edge in triceps size, lengh and cut give him a severe edge in this pose, just like Ronnie's advantage in biceps size, lengh and cuts give him and advantage in the front double biceps. Dorian's calves, traps and serratus are also superior. Dorian wins this pose from a symmetry standpoint as well because his calves are in proportion with his pecs and back when seen from the sides, whilst Ronnie's calves are way too weak for his pec and lat thickness when seen from the sides. Dorian wins the pose both from a muscular as well as symmetry standpoint, on account of having more massive muscles - only Ronnie's back, pecs and back are massive in this pose, whilst Dorian has massive back, pecs, traps, triceps and calves - and wins in symmetry on account of the fact that he has massive calves and triceps that are in proportion with his massive pecs trpas and back, while Ronnie's weak calves and triceps puts of his symmetry. Dorian wins.
Side chest - Dorian enjoys all the symmetry advantages elucidated above, but Ronnie might have the edge in pec thickness - debatable, because Dorian's pecs were far more developed from the sides than from the front, but let's give to Ronnie. Coleman might have the superior pecs, but Dorian has superior calves, serratus and, in my opinion, traps. This mandatory could go either way, because even though Dorian is far more complete in it in terms of symmetry and actually has more massive muscles in this pose than Ronnie - traps, calves and serratus -, Ronnie has better pecs.
Back double biceps - Dorian takes this one. You would have to be extremely generoud to give it to Ronnie. Dorian has superior thickness and defintion, and is equal in terms of width. He has superior traps. both in thickness and definition, superior erectores and teres major/minor. Dorian also has more massive calves. Overral, Dorian either ties or wins in terms of back, definitely wins in terms of traps and wins in terms of calves. So he wins this pose from a muscularity point of view. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has calves that are in proportion with the massive back, whilst Ronnie's calves are too small for the back. Dorian's ass is also more in proportion with the back, hamstrings, traps and calves than Ronnie's, which is too large for the aforementioned muscles in his body. The ass is a special case, because it is the one bodypart besides the abs that becomes out of proportion with the rest ofthe physique if it grows. When it comes to ass in male bodybuilders, the smaller the better, as a big ass is a feminine trait.
Rear lat spread - Comparable lat spread for them both. Dorian has superior traps, calves and ass. Picking at straws, Dorian wins in terms of back because his christmas-tree is thicker in the rear lat spread and his erectores are also more developed. In terms of symmetry, he once again wins on account of his bigger calves and smaller ass, which are more in proportion to his massive back than Ronnie's calves and ass, which are too small and too big respectively in comparison to his back.
So final score:
Dorian wins 5 of the 7 mandatories of the muscularity round and 2 of the 3 angles from the symmetry round. Now, this is only measuring muscularity and symmetry in the 3 angles of the symmetry round and in the mandatories. I am not including conditioning, which also goes to Dorian hands down when compared to Ronnie 1999.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
regurgitated from your laughable performance on the truce thread?
I'm sure i ve read this trash before.
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notice how ronnie is always hard, vascular and striated, while dorian is always smooth, soft and puffy?
yup.
and ND has the balls to go on about how dorian is dryer, harder bigger LOL
what total bullshit. of course, when ND types such crap, he never shows pics to go along with it.
gee, I wonder why?
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??? ??? ???..No your right ::) Ronnie is harder and dryer than Dorian was.. oh heres same pictures (not distorted screen-caps) feel free to post PICTURES of ronnie looking dryer and harder than Dorian in the same shots STC, RLS, ABS...
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hahaha so true
Reading this 1derfuls posts makes for some hilarious entertainment.
What i want answered is how come its so painfully obvious that in the majority of mr os dorian was outclassed something silly and DID look like trash.
I want to hear these mugs justify such abnormalities as receiving perfect scores in 97.
What must his contemporaries been thinking at the time? Surely the same that the mentally regular that inhabit this board
You might have better comprehension of my posts if you were to keep a dictionary and thesaurus close by. Hope this helps.
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Your perception is vey skewed. In 1997, in less than top form, Yates destroyed everyone. Ronnie was a distant 9th. I can't say where Flex would have placed, as he was too scared to compete and resorted to fictional ninja stories to dodge the contest. If history is any indicator though, Flex would have been crushed as usual. By his own admission, Flex has stated that he was not at his best in 1998. And still, Ronnie barely beat him. Had Yates competed, if we are to gauge prior contests, Yates would have easily won again.
no my perception is not "skewed" i have two working eyes
i'm not saying ronnie deserved to win 97, i actually think 97 was a nasser night ;D
yates woud've kept going if he knew he would still win, it's not like he wasn't a typical meathead with a wide variety of interests outside of bodybuilding ie Mr. Levrone :D
dorian winning in 97 was a travesty for this once proud sport
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You might be able to have better comprehension of my posts if you were to keep a dictionary and thesaurus close by. Hope this helps.
Thats your problem.
You actually do.
Replacing one word with another that means exactly the same doesnt work. ;)
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flex was not substandard in 98 and ronnie surprised everybody in 98, being favored coming into a contest helps and you know it
how would flex 93 beat flex 98? whatever happened to "muscular bulk and density" nd ::)
the scoring is a joke, dorian getting a perfect score in 97 proves that
who cares that ronnie lost in 06? if dorian stuck around one more year he would've lost to ronnie (if the scoring was fair) and he still would've had two less olympia titles
dorian knew he was done, that's why he retired
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The absolute best Flex Wheeler ever look in his career was 1993 period. after that he never again appeared the same , he was reduced to synthol which made his once almost perfect physique an abomination , so substandard in that context he was and Flex admittedly sabotaged his prep in 1998 . he said self doubt caused him to
And to answer your question how would Flex 93 beat Flex 98? easily he was better conditioned in 1993 and he may have been slightly larger but at the expense of his density , Ronnie did surprise everyone and he earned the win , Flex was off period and even with all that considered he still just barely beat Flex Wheeler , that's NOT debatable it was a close contest regardless of what that dummy Hulkster claims
And stop saying the scoring is a joke because if that's the case the scoring was a joke every single time Kevin Levrone won a contest or Ronnie Coleman , please spare me this bullshit the scoring is a joke ONLY when Dorian won , pure bias plain & simple , same judges all the time you just don't like the fact Levrone was NEVER good enough to beat Dorian , you can't have it both ways
and you can speculate all you want on if Dorian would have lost , bottom line is he didn't , he retired undefeated period , Ronnie fell way off the ladder reduced to 4th place in a contest he used to own , needless to say that's what people will remember .
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Thats your problem.
You actually do.
Replacing one word with another that means exactly the same doesnt work. ;)
Actually, it should be: That's your problem. Care to critique further genius? ;D In the next lesson we'll work on structuring complete sentences.
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The absolute best Flex Wheeler ever look in his career was 1993 period. after that he never again appeared the same , he was reduced to synthol which made his once almost perfect physique an abomination , so substandard in that context he was and Flex admittedly sabotaged his prep in 1998 . he said self doubt caused him to
And to answer your question how would Flex 93 beat Flex 98? easily he was better conditioned in 1993 and he may have been slightly larger but at the expense of his density , Ronnie did surprise everyone and he earned the win , Flex was off period and even with all that considered he still just barely beat Flex Wheeler , that's NOT debatable it was a close contest regardless of what that dummy Hulkster claims
And stop saying the scoring is a joke because if that's the case the scoring was a joke every single time Kevin Levrone won a contest or Ronnie Coleman , please spare me this bullshit the scoring is a joke ONLY when Dorian won , pure bias plain & simple , same judges all the time you just don't like the fact Levrone was NEVER good enough to beat Dorian , you can't have it both ways
and you can speculate all you want on if Dorian would have lost , bottom line is he didn't , he retired undefeated period , Ronnie fell way off the ladder reduced to 4th place in a contest he used to own , needless to say that's what people will remember .
"sabotaging" his prep was an excuse because everybody expected him to win and ronnie beat him fair and square
the scoring is a joke when a guy with a missing arm and construction worker wasitline wins a show, if Mr. Levrone's torn pec was as much of a distraction as dorian's arm i would not be a big fan
ronnie has two more olympia's than dorian, his 4th place finish is irrelevant
that is what everybody without a hardon for dorian will remember ;)
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HOLY SHIT! PERFECT :o
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Yates' "victories" have been largely a joke as he flashes 17s here..
The only lingering question: Would the keg prefer ND's willing lips to uncle joe's?
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HOLY SHIT! PERFECT :o
Standing by himself!
Bulldozed by others & perfectly mediocre when standing side-by-side... :o
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"sabotaging" his prep was an excuse because everybody expected him to win and ronnie beat him fair and square
the scoring is a joke when a guy with a missing arm and construction worker wasitline wins a show, if Mr. Levrone's torn pec was as much of a distraction as dorian's arm i would not be a big fan
ronnie has two more olympia's than dorian, his 4th place finish is irrelevant
that is what everybody without a hardon for dorian will remember ;)
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No sabotaging his prep wasn't an excuse , he was happy for Ronnie that year unlike 1999 so much for that excuse
Okay the scoring was a joke included every single contest Levrone won PERIOD. you can't have it both ways hypocrite , it's okay for Levrone to win with a torn pec but not Yates with a torn bicep/tricep see hypocrisy
lmfao Ronnie has two more Olympias lol and? against who? ho-hum competition , your hero himself said Ronnie should have NOT won three of them , 2000/2001/2002 , Dorian dominated everyone Ronnie competed with including Ronnie , Ronnie almost loses to Jay & Kevin in those years but the judging wasn't a joke then it was accurate lol you're fucked either way
Dorian win/loss ratio 88% Ronnie's 40% Dorian retired undefeated , Ronnie well we all know lol
Dorian is the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport period , all you have left is excuses and tears , you fit right in with Hulkster and pumpster and company , all losers , your heros lost to Yates as you and them are losing to his fans lol
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Standing by himself!
Bulldozed by others & perfectly mediocre when standing side-by-side... :o
yeah I thought so ;)
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Actually, it should be: That's your problem. Care to critique further genius? ;D In the next lesson we'll work on structuring complete sentences.
we all eagerly await your next lesson.
Hopefully you'll include the importance of content. ;)
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HOLY SHIT! PERFECT :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289612;image)
If you mean having a midsection thats practically as thick as his chest and possessing some of the ugliest lines to grace the olympia stage then yes....
that is perfect.
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yeah I thought so ;)
Poor example, does not overturn my compelling evidence bwhahahaahah
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Poor example, does not overturn my compelling evidence bwhahahaahah
NEXT
hahahahhaa, Levrone destroying the steel worker right there. :D
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No sabotaging his prep wasn't an excuse , he was happy for Ronnie that year unlike 1999 so much for that excuse
yes it was an excuse, stop picking and choosing what you do and don't believe, he also said ninjas attacked him
Okay the scoring was a joke included every single contest Levrone won PERIOD. you can't have it both ways hypocrite , it's okay for Levrone to win with a torn pec but not Yates with a torn bicep/tricep see hypocrisy
learn to read, i said if Mr. Levrone's pec WAS a distraction like dorian's arm i would not have been as much of a fan, his pec was not noticeable at all
lmfao Ronnie has two more Olympias lol and? against who? ho-hum competition , your hero himself said Ronnie should have NOT won three of them , 2000/2001/2002 , Dorian dominated everyone Ronnie competed with including Ronnie , Ronnie almost loses to Jay & Kevin in those years but the judging wasn't a joke then it was accurate lol you're fucked either way
my "hero" also said he should've won in 92,94, and 95
dorian did not dominate, the score cards mean shit after the debacle in 97
Dorian win/loss ratio 88% Ronnie's 40% Dorian retired undefeated , Ronnie well we all know lol
ronnie said he was natural then, is that one of the things that you choose to believe lol
Dorian is the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport period , all you have left is excuses and tears , you fit right in with Hulkster and pumpster and company , all losers , your heros lost to Yates as you and them are losing to his fans lol
I own you
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yes it was an excuse, stop picking and choosing what you do and don't believe, he also said ninjas attacked him
learn to read, i said if Mr. Levrone's pec WAS a distraction like dorian's arm i would not have been as much of a fan, his pec was not noticeable at all
my "hero" also said he should've won in 92,94, and 95
dorian did not dominate, the score cards mean shit after the debacle in 97
ronnie said he was natural then, is that one of the things that you choose to believe lol
I own you
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yes it was an excuse, stop picking and choosing what you do and don't believe, he also said ninjas attacked him
NO it wasn't an excuse it's the truth and this wasn't said right after the Olympia this was revealed years later in his book . He made NO excuses for his loss in 1998 he said Ronnie beat him fair & square and he was happy for him , so once again you're wrong , and if you did some actually reading on Flex you'd know he was notorious for cheating on his diet pre-contest ALL years he was at times lazy , unmotiveated , distracted , so when he says he sabotaged his prep he's being honest .
learn to read, i said if Mr. Levrone's pec WAS a distraction like dorian's arm i would not have been as much of a fan, his pec was not noticeable at all
it doesn't matter a tear is a tear PERIOD it was noticeable but because it's Kevin it's okay see hypocrisy , and yes his pec was noticeable
my "hero" also said he should've won in 92,94, and 95
according to you yes according to the people who know how to judge contests and who decide NO Kevin wasn't beating Dorian EVER , maybe in fantasy contests where facial beauty is part of the criteria but in reality Levrone could NEVER beat Yates
dorian did not dominate, the score cards mean shit after the debacle in 97
denial of history again lol history begs to differ , dorian utterly crushed Kevin ( and everyone else ) in 1992/94/95 etc , etc , etc the scored cards are only right when Kevin wins lol great logic again see hypocrisy
ronnie said he was natural then, is that one of the things that you choose to believe lol
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with his win/loss percentage lmfao you can't even follow the debate
I own you
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you own nothing you're in denial of bodybuilding history , the judging only works when Kevin wins , Kevin should have beat Dorian in 92/94/95 LMFAO you're delusional the only thing you own is yourself
Dorian owns your mind
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Poor example, does not overturn my compelling evidence bwhahahaahah
NEXT
Dorian's not even hitting the shot yet and this is what you're trying to pass as compelling evidence lol you're a bias simpleton
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If you mean having a midsection thats practically as thick as his chest and possessing some of the ugliest lines to grace the olympia stage then yes....
that is perfect.
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
According to how bodybuilding contests are judged he is ' perfect ' despite his lacking on aesthetics
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Dorian is definitely the best ever - both by virtue of the 93 physique and his humility! In 1998 and 99 the only thing Ronnie could say was "lord jeebus".....fast forward to 2001 he is owned by Cutler and loses in 2002 to Levrone and Gunther. He lost in 2006 and made an absolute fool of himself coming up in a Moses outfit and wearing sunglasses during his posing routine. And then he had the audacity to make a DVD titled "Invincible" in 2007 leading up to his 4th place GIFT at that years Olympia ::) Dorian never even came close to being defeated after 1992 and he was always humble!
(http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/9/10/3/f_aaaab05711m_78227c9.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/hollywoodkat/colemancolor.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2002p/mro2002p_coleman06.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-2004/27.JPG)
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Jesus, Dorian's proportions in his legs are absolutely perfect! His thighs are massive and much bigger than levrone's. Look at the calves!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289638;image)
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Jesus, Dorian's proportions in his legs are absolutely perfect! His thighs are massive and much bigger than levrone's. Look at the calves!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289638;image)
pumpster the biased troll can't argue this one lol his pics of Dorian not even flexing can't save his ass now lol
Dorian owns the side triceps as many other mandatories
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For Hulkster lol
Flex October 2004
I discussed this trend recently with Dorian Yates who commented that, since his retirement in 1997, it seems, "The voodoo taking place before a contest has grown, but I don't see the guys getting any harder." Those words shouldn't be dismissed lightly, because no one ever got drier and harder than the man who took six Mr. Olympia titles.
two areas of the judging criteria that Ronnie could NEVER competed with Dorian in no matter what year lol
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lol countdown to the meltdowns
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Those pics and vids are the bodybuilding equivalent of dropping the atomic bomb to end WWII. There's no coming back after that. lol ;D
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Those pics and vids are the bodybuilding equivalent of dropping the atomic bomb to end WWII. There's no coming back after that. lol ;D
Coupled with Ronnie's many confessions of inferiority to Dorian , the war is over lol
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(http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/storage/white_flag.jpg)
A sighting at the Coleman camp. Peace at last!
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(http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/storage/white_flag.jpg)
A sighting at the Coleman camp. Peace at last!
lmfao they gave up eons ago now they just stick to personal attacks , conspiracy theories , excuses , and photoshopped pics.
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD :o :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289645;image)
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD :o :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289645;image)
And Earl claimed Dorian lost in 1995 LMMFAO
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That picture undeniably marks Dorian's back as the best ever. EASILY!
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD :o :o
this is how I know you're gay.
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this is how I know you're gay.
Dorian's back > Ronnie's back
this confirms FLEX's pick Dorian best back right after the 99O
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;) ;) ;)
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;) ;) ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/FlexBestBack.jpg)
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
Samir Bannout
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie Colemam : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Teal Flex 2000 Best back - Dorian Yates
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the guys were from the 90's were so much better than guys of today it's sad.
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the guys were from the 90's were so much better than guys of today it's sad.
You got that right !!
On March 10, six-time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates (who adorns this month's cover) dropped by FLEX's Woodland Hills, California, offices. As it was about a week after the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, our discussion turned to what transpired onstage there, and Dorian, who last competed in 1997, commented on the current state of pro bodybuilding.
The general level of conditioning among pros these days disappoints Dorian. Of course, after an opening statement like that, I flipped on my tape recorder and let the Shadow continue. "They just seem to want to go for size at the expense of everything," he said. "Although I was supposedly one of the first 'mass monsters,' when getting ready for a contest, mass wasn't my priority--getting cut, dry and totally separated was.
"Today, guys talk about coming in bigger and fuller when they would look better if they concentrated on coming in lighter and harder. I was willing to go that extra mile in getting rid of every possible ounce of bodyfat. I never had a 'guru', because I wanted to be the one who knew how my body worked--I couldn't see how anyone else could know my body better. My drive was that if I cut corners, the gap between me and other guys would be lessened. I wasn't willing to give them a break. All year-round I was dieting and calculating calories, carbs, fat and protein and logging everything in my journal. I weighed everything I ate. When I first came to the States for contests, I would see competing bodybuilders sitting in the hotel restaurant ordering food off the menu and I couldn't believe it. I never cheated or took risks on my diet."
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Guys, we won and decisively at that. Let's not kick sand in their faces. ;)
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD :o :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289645;image)
This is a spectacular picture.
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This is a spectacular picture.
Yes, look at Kevin's tricep ;D
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That picture undeniably marks Dorian's back as the best ever. EASILY!
Yip, if we are talking about a COMPLETE back Dorian still to this day 2008 has the TOTAL package in Back devolpment, not the BIGGEST BACK the most COMPLETE back witch includes size, shape, detail,insertsions/lower/upper tie-ins, dryness, width etc and that shot ND posted of Dorian relaxed on the side shows clearly how low those lats were.
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its finally been settled
Dorian was/is the greatest bodybuilder ever
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Yes, look at Kevin's tricep ;D
You mean the fact that Yates's tris and arms look like toothpics when actually beside someone else LOL
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NO it wasn't an excuse it's the truth and this wasn't said right after the Olympia this was revealed years later in his book . He made NO excuses for his loss in 1998 he said Ronnie beat him fair & square and he was happy for him , so once again you're wrong , and if you did some actually reading on Flex you'd know he was notorious for cheating on his diet pre-contest ALL years he was at times lazy , unmotiveated , distracted , so when he says he sabotaged his prep he's being honest .
if he sabotaged his prep, that would mean he intentionally did things so he wouldn't win, so basically he was saying if he did the right things he woudlve won, a clear excuse
it doesn't matter a tear is a tear PERIOD it was noticeable but because it's Kevin it's okay see hypocrisy , and yes his pec was noticeable
show me one pic where his pec detracts from his physique i dare you to find this pic
according to you yes according to the people who know how to judge contests and who decide NO Kevin wasn't beating Dorian EVER , maybe in fantasy contests where facial beauty is part of the criteria but in reality Levrone could NEVER beat Yates
no i said according to Mr. Levrone, you said he never thought he should beat dorian but did feel that he should've beat ronnie
denial of history again lol history begs to differ , dorian utterly crushed Kevin ( and everyone else ) in 1992/94/95 etc , etc , etc the scored cards are only right when Kevin wins lol great logic again see hypocrisy
and you only feel the scorecards are right when dorian wins, call me crazy but you can't be considered perfect with a NOTICEABLE torn arm and a keg waist yet dorian was awarded a perfect score in 97
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with his win/loss percentage lmfao you can't even follow the debate
you own nothing you're in denial of bodybuilding history , the judging only works when Kevin wins , Kevin should have beat Dorian in 92/94/95 LMFAO you're delusional the only thing you own is yourself
Dorian owns your mind
I own the debate, i own you, the judging is fucked, Mr. Levrone > dorian :-*
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OH MY GOD OH MY GOD :o :o
CALM DOWN HOMO.
You're all in a frenzy about the keg after losing in terms of actual comparisons, this might help as a consolation prize.
Direct from uncle joe's vaults..
..the keg's nutz. Carry on.. :-* :-* :-*
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And Earl claimed Dorian lost in 1995 LMMFAO
i said dorian had better back and calves
Mr. Levrone better everywhere else 8)
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This is a spectacular picture.
agreed
Mr. Levrone looks spectacular :o
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It's over ignorants, you've all conceded that Dorian is best! You've waved the white flag. Pumpster is relegated once again to posting his hard drive full of homosexual pictures ha ha ha ha ha
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=289664;image)
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Don't forget the one with his little chapeau! Ha ha.
Hawkeye and Trapper are lovin it! To the victors go the spoils!
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I see the nuthuggers are up to the same old shit.
posting pics of dorian standing by himself all the time, pretending that he didn't get his ass handed to him in front shots in contest after contest after contest..
yet still received 'perfect scores' ::)
care to explain how dorian could have recieved perfect scores while being bested in oh, about 80% of ALL shots from the front?
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for a supposedly 'dominant' Mr. O, he sure got his ass handed to him all the fucking time ::):
and it only took me about 4 seconds to get these shots.
there are dozens and dozens more.
have fun explaining the perfect scores nuthuggers! ::) ::) ::)
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perfect score?
explain nuthuggers?
why is dorian so badly owned in so many shots?
never see that with peak Ronnie.
Never..
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the dorian owning NEVER ENDS!
Nuthuggers, you are fucked in trying to corroborate the 'perfect scores' with this stuff:
have fun
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no wonder Mr. 1derful never posts pics to go along with his verbal bullshit.
pics as always, are the nuthuggers worst enemy..
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LOL I havent even got to the other contests yet!
honestly nuthuggers, how can you type such bullshit on a page knowing that dorian got owned this badly all the time?
how?
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dorian's blowjob skills must have been top notch for him to score perfect all the time while getting CRUSHED..
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Lmao...since you insist, let's go over this yet one more time. Dorian 1995 vs Ronnie 1999: Ronnie would have no size advantage, and Dorian would actually be a little bigger by 3 lbs. Ronnie would have more definition to his arms and maybe front quads, but Dorian would have the thicker pecs with equal definition and bigger traps. Ronnie would have superior taper in the front poses, yes, but Dorian would have superior abs/serratus. From the back, Dorian has equaivalent or superior width and thickness to his back with greater definition, but it's a push. Assume they have equivalent backs with Dorian having the edge on some areas and Ronnie on others. Dorian still wins from the back because his calves are bigger and his ass smaller, creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower. So Dorian wins from the back despite they being equivalent in development essentially because Dorian has less symmetrical flaws. From the sides, Dorian has better calves, traps and serratus with essentially the same pec development, so Dorian wins due to superior symmetry. So let's analyse how these strengh and weaknesses of both bodybuilders would play out at a hypothetical matchup between them, both in the symmetry and muscularity rounds:
Symmetry round:
Front relaxed - Ronnie wins in account of superior skeletal and muscular symmetry. Ronnie has structural flaws, such as having a short torso and long legs, but Dorian's structural flaws of having wide, boxy hips is more severe a liablity in this specific pose. Dorian has superior abs, traps and calves. In terms of quads and pecs they are comparable. Ronnie is superior in terms of delts, biceps and taper. All things considered, the advantages Ronnie enjoys over Dorian supercede the ones Dorian has over Ronnie, so Coleman wins.
Side relaxed - Dorian wins hands down. If Nasser wasn't as thick from the sides at 285 lbs compared to a 255 lbs Dorian, then no way no how would Ronnie be comparable to Dorian at the same weight. In fact, Dorian at 260 lbs still holds his own against Coleman at 290 lbs in terms of thickness from the sides, so Dorian destroys Ronnie here in terms of development. When you add into the equation Dorian's superior symmetry evident by the fact that his triceps, calves and traps are in proportion from the sides whilst Ronnie's are not, it is a clear win for Dorian.
Back relaxed - Dorian has superior thickness to his back as well as definition in my opinion. In width they are comparable, although Ronnie might appear wider due to his smaller waist. Let's for the sake of the discussion deem they equal in terms of back. Dorian still wins the back relaxed because his symmetry in this pose is superior: his calves, ass, traps and back are in proportion in relation to one another, whilst Ronnie's ass is too big in relation to his back and calves, and his calves are too small compared to his back and especially compared to his ass. Dorian wins this round.
Muscularity round:
Front double biceps - Ronnie wins on account of his superior taper as well as biceps although it overpowers the triceps a little bit. Both Dorian and Ronnie have biceps and triceps that are out of proportion with each other, but in this pose Dorian's biceps liability is more severe than Ronnie's triceps liability, so the edge goes to Ronnie. Coleman has superior taper and comparable everything else. They are pretty much the same in this mandatory except that Ronnie's arms look more impressive than Dorian, so this single advantage tips the scale in favor of Ronnie.
Front lat spread - Dorian wins, no doubt. He has everything on Ronnie in this mandatory, including taper. Much wider lats, superior traps, better abs, comparable quads and superior calves. From a symmetry standpoint Doran is incredibly superior to Ronnie, both from a muscular as well as structural point of view. Dorian's muscles are far more proportioned in relation to one another in this pose than Ronnie's, who has weak calves compared to his quads, ess dramatic lat-to-waist ratio and poor forearms compared to his biceps and triceps. From a structural standpoint, Ronnie's assymetry in the sense of having short torso lengh to excessively long legs is obvious. Dorian wins hands down.
Abs-and-thigs - Dorian's abs and serratus are better. His taper is also better despite having wider hips because his lats flare out so dramatically in this pose. In quads they are comparable in terms of size, although Ronnie might have an edge in cuts. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has better overral proportions with his taper being better, his calves and traps being bigger and thus being more proportional to the huge lats, whilst Ronnie's traps and especially calves are too small when compared to his huge lats. Overral, Dorian's advantages supercede Ronnie's in this mandatory and he wins flat out.
Side triceps - Dorian's edge in triceps size, lengh and cut give him a severe edge in this pose, just like Ronnie's advantage in biceps size, lengh and cuts give him and advantage in the front double biceps. Dorian's calves, traps and serratus are also superior. Dorian wins this pose from a symmetry standpoint as well because his calves are in proportion with his pecs and back when seen from the sides, whilst Ronnie's calves are way too weak for his pec and lat thickness when seen from the sides. Dorian wins the pose both from a muscular as well as symmetry standpoint, on account of having more massive muscles - only Ronnie's back, pecs and back are massive in this pose, whilst Dorian has massive back, pecs, traps, triceps and calves - and wins in symmetry on account of the fact that he has massive calves and triceps that are in proportion with his massive pecs trpas and back, while Ronnie's weak calves and triceps puts of his symmetry. Dorian wins.
Side chest - Dorian enjoys all the symmetry advantages elucidated above, but Ronnie might have the edge in pec thickness - debatable, because Dorian's pecs were far more developed from the sides than from the front, but let's give to Ronnie. Coleman might have the superior pecs, but Dorian has superior calves, serratus and, in my opinion, traps. This mandatory could go either way, because even though Dorian is far more complete in it in terms of symmetry and actually has more massive muscles in this pose than Ronnie - traps, calves and serratus -, Ronnie has better pecs.
Back double biceps - Dorian takes this one. You would have to be extremely generoud to give it to Ronnie. Dorian has superior thickness and defintion, and is equal in terms of width. He has superior traps. both in thickness and definition, superior erectores and teres major/minor. Dorian also has more massive calves. Overral, Dorian either ties or wins in terms of back, definitely wins in terms of traps and wins in terms of calves. So he wins this pose from a muscularity point of view. In terms of symmetry, Dorian has calves that are in proportion with the massive back, whilst Ronnie's calves are too small for the back. Dorian's ass is also more in proportion with the back, hamstrings, traps and calves than Ronnie's, which is too large for the aforementioned muscles in his body. The ass is a special case, because it is the one bodypart besides the abs that becomes out of proportion with the rest ofthe physique if it grows. When it comes to ass in male bodybuilders, the smaller the better, as a big ass is a feminine trait.
Rear lat spread - Comparable lat spread for them both. Dorian has superior traps, calves and ass. Picking at straws, Dorian wins in terms of back because his christmas-tree is thicker in the rear lat spread and his erectores are also more developed. In terms of symmetry, he once again wins on account of his bigger calves and smaller ass, which are more in proportion to his massive back than Ronnie's calves and ass, which are too small and too big respectively in comparison to his back.
So final score:
Dorian wins 5 of the 7 mandatories of the muscularity round and 2 of the 3 angles from the symmetry round. Now, this is only measuring muscularity and symmetry in the 3 angles of the symmetry round and in the mandatories. I am not including conditioning, which also goes to Dorian hands down when compared to Ronnie 1999.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This post is the nail in the coffin of Ronnie, decisively explaining why Dorian 1995 defeats Ronnie 1999 by comparing both for muscularity and symmetry in the three rounds of the symmsetry round as well as in the seven mandatories and then adding up everything. That Dorian is superior is undeniable. Even if we are extremely generous and concede that the side chest and back double biceps could go either way, Dorian still wins overral. When you add Dorian's superior conditioning, it is over.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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why Dorian 1995 defeats Ronnie 1999
are you idiots for real?[/b]
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99 ronnie makes 95 dorian look like he doesn't even train arms or quads LOL
and idiots like Suckmyasshole think 95 dorian would win LOL
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please keep posting nuthuggers.
real life shots make it so easy to own you all.
please keep it up.
you are making your own destruction so damn EASY!
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no wonder Mr. 1derful is afraid to post comparisons:
please keep typing the bullshit guys,
please.
its just so damn easy owning your asses with real life.
oh, why is this even being DEBATED: ::)
like they said in the other thread, ronnie was from another planet compared to dorian..
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Lee Haney knows why dorian got so many perfect scores despite getting owned so bloody often...
so do we all..
except idiots like suckmyasshole, ND, Mr. 1derful and england of course..
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no wonder Mr. 1derful is afraid to post comparisons:
please keep typing the bullshit guys,
please.
its just so damn easy owning your asses with real life.
oh, why is this even being DEBATED: ::)
like they said in the other thread, ronnie was from another planet compared to dorian..
Ouch, that can't be 95 is it?
Not the most flattering of shots in one of yates supposedly "better"" years
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99 ronnie makes 95 dorian look like he doesn't even train arms or quads LOL
and idiots like Suckmyasshole think 95 dorian would win LOL
please keep posting nuthuggers.
real life shots make it so easy to own you all.
please keep it up.
you are making your own destruction so damn EASY!
Your problem, Huckster, is that you post pictures of Doran and Ronnie and then proclaim that Dorian is getting owned and that's your entire argument in a nutshell. Why is Dorian getting owned according to you? Because you say so. That's the sole reason. You present a completely biased view and base your entire reason for why Ronnie is better is based on your preference. I could do like you and post comparisons of Dorian and Ronnie and claim that Ronnie is getting owned and offer no explanations, and no one would be able to refute me since you can't argue with taste.
But this is not how you can determine who is better between two bodybuilders. The only way to know who is better between Dorian 1995 and Ronnie 1999 is by comparing the degree of development of their muscles and the proportions between them in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and then add up their strengh/weaknesses. That's the only way. There is no other. When you do that, you come to the conlusion that Dorian is undoubtedly superior. I have been over this. That is, Dorian has more developed muscles than Ronnie than Ronnie has over Dorian in more of the 3 parts of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories and less symmetrical liabilites. Adding conditioning, Dorian wins. Case closed, Huckster. You can bitch and moan all you want, but the bottom line is that bodbuilding is all about muscularity&symmetry of the body's muscles both overral and in specific poses, and Dorian wins handily.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ouch, that can't be 95 is it?
Not the most flattering of shots in one of yates supposedly "better"" years
yup, thats 95 all right.
just goes to show you the bullshit that went on...
and how even Yates' better years pale in comparison to the best Ronnie had to offer..
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The only way to know who is better between Dorian 1995 and Ronnie 1999 is by comparing the degree of development of their muscles and the proportions between them in the three angles of the symmetry
yes, sucky, thats called bodybuilding... ::)
oh, and when we do this, guess what?
dorian gets crushed:
sorry if you lack the knowledge to see this.
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and how even Yates' better years pale in comparison to the best Ronnie had to offer..[/b]
Dorian 1995 does not pale in comparison to Ronnie 1999 just because you say so! Your opinion does not constitute a statement of fact! Understand this, dumbass!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yes, sucky, thats called bodybuilding...
oh, and when we do this, guess what?
dorian gets crushed:
sorry if you lack the knowledge to see this.
Wow, you truly never learn, do you? I just proved that Dorian is superior comparing them to each other like the I.F.B.B does, evaluating their development and proportion in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and what does your dumbass do? You once again for the gazillionth time post the same pictures of Dorian and Ronnie and proclaim that Ronnie is better just because you prefer him. You don't even know how physiques are actually compared and how judges evaluate these things, because you are basing your entire conclusion that Dorian is getting owned on the arrogant and uneducated assumption that judges evaluate physique according to your opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wow, you truly never learn, do you? I just proved that Dorian is superior comparing them to each other like the I.F.B.B does, evaluating their development and proportion in the three angles of the symmetry round and in the seven mandatories, and what does your dumbass do? You once again for the gazillionth time post the same pictures of Dorian and Ronnie and proclaim that Ronnie is better just because you prefer him. You don't even know how physiques are actually compared and how judges evaluate these things, because you are basing your entire conclusion that Dorian is getting owned on the arrogant and uneducated assumption that judges evaluate physique according to your opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hulkster and the Trolls have bigger issues to worry about now. They are now being owned by a 225 pound Austrian Oak in another thread. It's been a tough week for them.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/405-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-41-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
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Jesus, look at that "calf" :-X
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/405-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-41-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
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Dorian 1995 does not pale in comparison to Ronnie 1999 just because you say so! Your opinion does not constitute a statement of fact! Understand this, dumbass!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
actually Sucky, when the difference between ronnie 99 and dorian 95 is this great, yes, it is fact.
to argue otherwise is to show a complete lack of understanding about bb judging and the sport itself:
there is a reason why everyone keeps saying 'ronnie is from another planet compared to dorian"
this is why: and it is as real as you can get:
hope this helps.
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look at that.
only someone completely ignorant of judging would say dorian 95 is better.
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Meltdown!
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Meltdown!
Calm down junior, it's only systematic destruction of your hero. :-*
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actually Sucky, when the difference between ronnie 99 and dorian 95 is this great, yes, it is fact.
I agree that the difference is considerable, but it favors Dorian and not Ronnie. Even if you give the back double biceps and side chest to Ronnie - and Dorian's combo of muscularity&symmetry is actually superior in both mandatories although very close - Dorian still wins overral by taking 4 mandatories and 2 angles in the symmetry round.
to argue otherwise is to show a complete lack of understanding about bb judging and the sport itself:
If your opinion and the way I.F.B.B judges judge contests were analogous, then yes, that would be the case. Unfortunately for you, your opinion does not correpsopnd to how judges judge physique contests. Case in point: you had Ray winning the 94' Olympia and Flex winning the 93' Olympia, and neither of your opinions correspond to what actually transpired.
there is a reason why everyone keeps saying 'ronnie is from another planet compared to dorian"
There are several reasons, as follows: Ronnie is a more contemporary Sandow-holder, and thus people remember what he looked at his best more than they remember what Yates looked at this best. As they say, our of sight, out of mind. The average intelligence of the population is low and that of Getbiggers even lower, so their opinion is not educated for the most part. And finally, when people say that Ronnie is from another planet, they are often refering to his overbloated 2003 form and not the 1999 form you sop much praise. Most people only care about sheer muscle size, which is why they favor 2003 Ronnie over Dorian, and completely ignore his grotesque gut, quads that overpowered torso, huge unmanly ass and overral shitty conditioning - although I admit that Ronnie 2003 was still pretty ripped in the crab shot.
this is why: and it is as real as you can get:
hope this helps.
Again, stating your preference does not constitute a statement of fact. Dorian won the 95' Olympia far more dominantly than Ronnie won the 99' Olympia, receiving straight-firsts scores from all judges on both rounds over Levrone in the best shape of his career, whilst Ronnie 99' defeated an out of shape Wheeler with straight-firsts scores on only the muscularity round and not by an unanimous decision from the judges like in Dorian's case. Now go lick your wounds. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/405-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-41-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/405-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-41-ronnie-coleman.JPG)
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Good photo Hulkster. Look who's standing way at the back because he's not good enough to get called out with The Shadow. Ha ha ha. Hulkster, the self-owning record holder. lol
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Good photo Hulkster. Look whose standing way at the back because he's not good enough to get called out with The Shadow. Ha ha ha. Hulkster, the self-owning record holder. lol
lmfao
another self-ownage by dummy Hulkster
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Lee Haney knows why dorian got so many perfect scores despite getting owned so bloody often...
so do we all..
except idiots like suckmyasshole, ND, Mr. 1derful and england of course..
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Indeed, Haney publicly acknowledges why Yates dominated everyone while introducing him in this vid (you're self-owned again).
Haney on Yates: "He has the heart of a lion and I doubt if anybody trains harder than this guy."
Same contest. Interesting posing at 1:17! lol
You take every opportunity to satiate your desire to blindly bash Yates, yet remain completely unaware of the implications of your comments, in light of Ronnie's being nowhere near contention on the very same stage. Even a passing observer can easily ascertain from the videos that Yates was far and away better. If it is your insistence that Dorian's physique as shown in the video is nothing short of an abomination, precisely how poorly received was Ronnie's to have been placed so far behind Dorian and not even amount to a footnote in the same contest?
None of the trolls will ever have the courage to respond to such videos because Dorian's superiority is so overwhelming. Instead, they continue on their misguided quest by posting "select" photos as a misdirect. It would come as no surprise to find out that the trolls have lacked the courage to even view such evidence of Dorian's dominance. If they did, not only would they be awakened to a champion in supreme condition, but also one who puts a degree of foresight into his posing routines, rather than the typical "raising the roof" add libbing that became the calling card of a certain other Mr. Olympia.
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Good photo Hulkster. Look whose standing way at the back because he's not good enough to get called out with The Shadow. Ha ha ha. Hulkster, the self-owning record holder. lol
notice: even back then his quads were STILL better than the Kegs... :-\
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Game Over for the Nuthuggers. Ronnie wins! 8)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. "
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
"I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been."
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
"Ronnie Coleman is absolutely phenomenal, and I really mean that. I would also agree with all the experts who believe that he is the best bodybuilder of all time. However, I don't think he has the most aesthetic body of all time, but having said that, he certainly is the best (for IFBB pro judges) in bodybuilding."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
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Look at the difference.............. ...........
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Look at the difference.............. ...........
his waist got bigger and his arms got smaller over the years. :-\
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his waist got bigger and his arms got smaller over the years. :-\
his arms got smaller due to injuries
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Game Over for the Nuthuggers. Ronnie wins! 8)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Raymond Cassar – Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, April 2002
"[Ronnie Coleman] bounced back to win the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic with a physique that may have been the best ever seen."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. "
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
"I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been."
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
"Ronnie Coleman is absolutely phenomenal, and I really mean that. I would also agree with all the experts who believe that he is the best bodybuilder of all time. However, I don't think he has the most aesthetic body of all time, but having said that, he certainly is the best (for IFBB pro judges) in bodybuilding."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Wow, how many times are you going to post these quotes again ??? This has been addressed several times and you keep posting them. You are becoming like Pumpster with your repetition, except that he posts the same 3 pics over and over and you post these same quotes again and again.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Look at the difference.............. ...........
Christ almighty how did the ifbb allow this to continue.
He went from average arms in the olympia line up to the worst arms out the entire line up but still got away with perfect scores?
I'm so ashamed the ifbb didn't do more to stop this
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Wow, how many times are you going to post these quotes again? This has been addressed several times and you keep posting them. You are becoming like Pumpster with your repetition, except that he posts the same 3 pics over and over and you post these same quotes again and again.
bwahahaha, I can post the quotes as many times as I want. You don't like them b/c they acknowledge Ronnie as having the best physique of all-time.
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his arms got smaller due to injuries
Can you confirm this? :o
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bwahahaha, I can post the quotes as many times as I want. You don't like them b/c they acknowledge Ronnie as having the best physique of all-time.
No, what I find nonsensical of you posing these quotes again and again is that you got owned and embarassed when you posted them on the Truce Thread for the first time and quotes from Ronnie stating that Dorian would win were posted as a reply by other poster, and I reponded to you that none of those quotes were from I.F.B.B judgs, a rebuttal that left your flabergeisted and unable to respond . You truly are your own worst enemy, SemenHole. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wow, how many times are you going to post these quotes again ??? This has been addressed several times and you keep posting them. You are becoming like Pumpster with your repetition, except that he posts the same 3 pics over and over and you post these same quotes again and again.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He's omitting parts of some of the quotes for a very good reason , he's deceptive because he needs to be. it shows his level of desperation. This is where I expose Neo yet again
example 1
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
He keeps posting this as if it hasn't been amended he'll cling onto the new flex poll that states Ronnie has the best back ever , pure hypocrisy
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Dorian at 269 pounds would make Ronnie 01 look petite and he would make Ronnie 2003 look 5 weeks out
example 2
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
He omitted a very important part of this quote for a very good reason lol his deception shows his desperation , here is the quote in it's entirety
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
Except by who? Yates 6 weeks out ;) Dorian again would crush little Ronnie
example 3
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
Yet again boy-Neo omitted a specific part of the quote and why would he do that? lol because it tells an whole other story
I guess , I don't know
NO WHERE does he say definitively Ronnie beats me , this is another LIE on boy-Neo's part I DON'T KNOW lol
He used to post a quote from Greg Valentino as proof lol until he ridiculed and he doesn't post that anymore
This is Ronnie Coleman NOT taken out of context NO parts omitted
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Clear cut definitive and honest , no second guessing , notice he doesn't say like Dorian did " I don't know " lol
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Again definitive , honest and right to the point NO second guessing and he states a matter of factly " do you think so? " Ronnie " I know so "
and then there is the other quote from Ronnie saying he couldn't beat Haney , Arnold and Yates in their days
This ended any truce , these quotes alone don't need to be tweaked or toyed with , these quotes crushed Neo hence why he's been reduced to essentially lying about them now
case closed. ;)
Neo = bitch-slapped
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No, what I find nonsensical of you posing these quotes again and again is that you got owned and embarassed when you posted them on the Truce Thread for the first time and quotes from Ronnie stating that Dorian would win were posted as a reply by other poster, and I reponded to you that none of those quotes were from I.F.B.B judgs, a rebuttal that left your flabergeisted and unable to respond . You truly are your own worst enemy, Sir NeoSeminole.
oh please. I already addressed any issues with the quotes. ND tried to make it seem like they are open to interpretation, which they are not. The quotes are clear as can be. They explicitly refer to Ronnie's physique as the "greatest of all-time" and "best ever." So cut the crap that I've been owned for posting them. And for the record, Ronnie said that he would beat Dorian in a contest at their respective primes - not who would win in 98 (before Ronnie's prime) which is all the nuthuggers have to work with. Face it, I own you and so does everyone else on Getbig. ;)
You are an idiot. The thread was never locked. NarcissisticDeity changed the title, that's all.
Ahem, you may want to publically apologize for calling that gentleman an idiot. The thread was locked and a couple threads were started about it being locked.
Who's the idiot now, fuckface?
When did I state that, moron? I have stated ad nauseum that Ronnie was much harder in 1998 than 1999.
right here, just scroll down to your post
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=50084.0
bow your head loser, you just got owned again
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=236998.0
HAHAHA! Mr.suck made a fool of himself pretty badly here.
Sucky, won't you just go away? Nobody here likes you or cares about what you have to say. You're certified stooge and the consensus is that this site would be better off without you. You're a total disaster.
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Christ almighty how did the ifbb allow this to continue.
He went from average arms in the olympia line up to the worst arms out the entire line up but still got away with perfect scores?
I'm so ashamed the ifbb didn't do more to stop this
Average biceps sure , average arms NO don't forget triceps & forearms and FYI the judges look for forearms in poses as well , but I'm sure you knew this lol
and Ronnie made a career of winning with NO calves what so ever , most likely injected to boot that's o.k. ::) see hypocrisy , stop cherry-picking what you like and what you don't like , the same judges awarded Ronnie his scores but that's o.k because it's Ronnie but when it's Dorian the judging is suspect more hypocrisy .
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Indeed, Haney publicly acknowledges why Yates dominated everyone while introducing him in this vid (you're self-owned again).
Haney on Yates: "He has the heart of a lion and I doubt if anybody trains harder than this guy."
Same contest. Interesting posing at 1:17! lol
You take every opportunity to satiate your desire to blindly bash Yates, yet remain completely unaware of the implications of your comments, in light of Ronnie's being nowhere near contention on the very same stage. Even a passing observer can easily ascertain from the videos that Yates was far and away better. If it is your insistence that Dorian's physique as shown in the video is nothing short of an abomination, precisely how poorly received was Ronnie's to have been placed so far behind Dorian and not even amount to a footnote in the same contest?
None of the trolls will ever have the courage to respond to such videos because Dorian's superiority is so overwhelming. Instead, they continue on their misguided quest by posting "select" photos as a misdirect. It would come as no surprise to find out that the trolls have lacked the courage to even view such evidence of Dorian's dominance. If they did, not only would they be awakened to a champion in supreme condition, but also one who puts a degree of foresight into his posing routines, rather than the typical "raising the roof" add libbing that became the calling card of a certain other Mr. Olympia.
The trolls keep ignoring the truth.
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It's all they can do , they're defeated and know it . what do they have left? besides licking their wounds
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oh please. I already addressed any issues with the quotes. ND tried to make it seem like they are open to interpretation, which they are not. The quotes are clear as can be. They explicitly refer to Ronnie's physique as the "greatest of all-time" and "best ever." So cut the crap that I've been owned for posting them. And for the record, Ronnie said that he would beat Dorian in a contest at their respective primes - not who would win in 98 (before Ronnie's prime) which is all the nuthuggers have to work with. Face it, I own you and so does everyone else on Getbig.
Lol, none of those quotes are from I.F.B.B judges,so none of them matter. What we do know for a fact is that Dorian won the 1995 Oympia with straight-firts scores from all judges in both rounds, defeating a Kevin in the best shape of his career. Compare this to Ronnie at the 1999 Olympia who only won one round with straight-firsts scores and not unaniously against an out-of-shape Wheeler. I own you, Semen Boy, and you can't go tit for that against me at an intellectual discussion on any topic whatsoever, not even on a bodybuilding ones. ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=236998.0
Yo mean quotes from "Earl", the guy who recently had the honor of having a thread about how gay he is started where dozens of people made fun of his love for Levrone? Gve me a break. And as for me stating the opposite of what I've stated in the past on some subjects, that's called changing my mind. I don't need to have nowadays all of the same opinions I did years ago. And it goes to show how much I own your mind and how much I have traumatized you with my superior intellect that you save each and every quote where someone says something nasty about me because it makes you feel so god on the inside. I don't save quotes from other people about you because, franky, I don't care about you. You my friend, are insignificant in the bigger sheme of things. You saving quotes about me constituts a brutal self-ownage. ;) Well, at least you have the consolation that I can't claim credit for this particular owning of you as the credit is all yours. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Average biceps sure , average arms NO don't forget triceps & forearms and FYI the judges look for forearms in poses as well , but I'm sure you knew this lol
and Ronnie made a career of winning with NO calves what so ever , most likely injected to boot that's o.k. ::) see hypocrisy , stop cherry-picking what you like and what you don't like , the same judges awarded Ronnie his scores but that's o.k because it's Ronnie but when it's Dorian the judging is suspect more hypocrisy .
Bang on as usual.
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And for all the harping about Yates's biceps tear, it is ironic that the trolls, while claiming that Levrone owns him, post a photo where Kevin shows an obvious pec tear. Hypocrites. By the way, tell me again, who's the little guy in the background not getting any call outs. lol
Note to troll Earl: The pec tear is clearly visible in this pic, so don't deny it.
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And for all the harping about Yates's biceps tear, it is ironic that the trolls, while claiming that Levrone owns him, post a photo where Kevin shows an obvious pec tear. Hypocrits. By the way, who's the little guy in the background not getting any call outs. lol
muscle tears ONLY count when it's Dorian , having smallish biceps is a travesty when it's Dorian but these calves are quite fine
and Levrone who?
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Indeed, Haney publicly acknowledges why Yates dominated everyone while introducing him in this vid (you're self-owned again).
Haney on Yates: "He has the heart of a lion and I doubt if anybody trains harder than this guy."
Same contest. Interesting posing at 1:17! lol
You take every opportunity to satiate your desire to blindly bash Yates, yet remain completely unaware of the implications of your comments, in light of Ronnie's being nowhere near contention on the very same stage. Even a passing observer can easily ascertain from the videos that Yates was far and away better. If it is your insistence that Dorian's physique as shown in the video is nothing short of an abomination, precisely how poorly received was Ronnie's to have been placed so far behind Dorian and not even amount to a footnote in the same contest?
None of the trolls will ever have the courage to respond to such videos because Dorian's superiority is so overwhelming. Instead, they continue on their misguided quest by posting "select" photos as a misdirect. It would come as no surprise to find out that the trolls have lacked the courage to even view such evidence of Dorian's dominance. If they did, not only would they be awakened to a champion in supreme condition, but also one who puts a degree of foresight into his posing routines, rather than the typical "raising the roof" add libbing that became the calling card of a certain other Mr. Olympia.
Still waiting trolls. Should ND and I take this as another surrender? Should I alert Hawkeye and Trapper? lol
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Yo mean quotes from "Earl", the guy who recently had the honor of having a thread about how gay he is started where dozens of people made fun of his love for Levrone?
yes they had to gang up on me because they all got tired of being bullied and owned by yours truly :D
give me your name and address so we can finally settle this you pussy :-*
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And for all the harping about Yates's biceps tear, it is ironic that the trolls, while claiming that Levrone owns him, post a photo where Kevin shows an obvious pec tear.
it doesn't exist, unlike the numerous pics of dorian's torn arm being clearly visible
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and Levrone who?
he's the man that you would rather look like than dorian
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he's the man that you would rather look like than dorian
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That's not saying much ;) there are dozens of bodybuilders I'd rather look like than Kevin , out of the two Levrone is the lesser of two evils
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it doesn't exist, unlike the numerous pics of dorian's torn arm being clearly visible
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he just posted a clear picture of it , it's clearly visible
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That's not saying much ;) there are dozens of bodybuilders I'd rather look like than Kevin , out of the two Levrone is the lesser of two evils
yes it is saying much, especially when you say "levrone who"
and where is the noticeable torn pec pic?
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yes it is saying much, especially when you say "levrone who"
and where is the noticeable torn pec pic?
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Levrone who? the guy who never beat Dorian thats who
and see the standing relaxed pics above
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Can you confirm this? :o
he suffered torn triceps and biceps
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Levrone who? the guy who never beat Dorian thats who
and see the standing relaxed pics above
yeah
where?
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If it is your insistence that Dorian's physique as shown in the video is nothing short of an abomination, precisely how poorly received was Ronnie's to have been placed so far behind Dorian and not even amount to a footnote in the same contest?
um. you have you ever taken the time to compare what ronnie looked like in 1995 to what he looked like in 1999 or at the 2001 AC?
are you really that stupid that you cannot see this?
here, let me help you:
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you act like the reason ronnie placed so low was that he was that far below dorian and everyone else actually (which he was at the time) but that he would have continued to place that low had he been in his 99 or 2001 AC form which is completely stupid..
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hey Mr 1duhful, you do realize that Momo beat dorian in 1990
now, by your own fucked logic, momo would alway have beaten Yates no matter what dorian offered later on..
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um. you have you ever taken the time to compare what ronnie looked like in 1995 to what he looked like in 1999 or at the 2001 AC?
are you really that stupid that you cannot see this?
here, let me help you:
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you act like the reason ronnie placed so low was that he was that far below dorian and everyone else actually (which he was at the time) but that he would have continued to place that low had he been in his 99 or 2001 AC form which is completely stupid..
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He's still can't compete with Dorian in 98/99/01 he's NOT has hard or as dry ANY of those years , he's not carrying as much muscular bulk ANY of those years , he doesn't have better balance & proportion ANY of those years
Ronnie improved how? he added some size and got harder , so what , Dorian wrote the book on conditioned mass Ronnie gained NOTHING Dorian didn't have in spades
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hey Mr 1duhful, you do realize that Momo beat dorian in 1990
now, by your own fucked logic, momo would alway have beaten Yates no matter what dorian offered later on..
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See above , Dorian was 228 pounds when Momo beat him . Dorian added some size and became untouchable , again Ronnie did what to improve ? put on some size and dried out. this means ZERO Dorian was bigger , harder , drier , and better balanced
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See above , Dorian was 228 pounds when Momo beat him . Dorian added some size and became untouchable , again Ronnie did what to improve ? put on some size and dried out. this means ZERO Dorian was bigger , harder , drier , and better balanced
Padilla's turn to dominate the keg.
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again Ronnie did what to improve ? put on some size and dried out. this means ZERO
yeah, zero.
he went from placing dead last at the olympia to winning 8 MR. O's, an AC title (something dorian was never good enough to do) and more pro wins than anyone alive, including your waiter hero.
yup, it didn't mean much..
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Padilla's turn to dominate the keg.
dorian always got dominated from the front
everywhere you look its so common its crazy.
and yet the nuthuggers never seem to acknowlege this fact..
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yeah, zero.
he went from placing dead last at the olympia to winning 8 MR. O's, an AC title (something dorian was never good enough to do) and more pro wins than anyone alive, including your waiter hero.
yup, it didn't mean much..
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Your reading comprehension leaves a LOT to be desired , what does that mean in relation to Dorian yates dummy? NOTHING
Dorian wrote the book on conditioned mass , Ronnie was never as big and as hard & dry as Yates , bigger some years? absolutely , bigger hard and drier? NEVER
Ronnie's 40% win/loss ratio is really impressive next to Dorian's 88% ;)
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dorian always got dominated from the front
everywhere you look its so common its crazy.
and yet the nuthuggers never seem to acknowlege this fact..
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yeah that's why he always had 3-4 point close calls when all said was done , wait that was Ronnie lmfao
Dorian dominated every pose from every angle and why?
all rounds are physique rounds
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all rounds are physique rounds
you keep emphasizing this fact with dorian, and its pretty clear why.
you are admiting that his physique wasn't good enough on its own merits so he had to get by based on the strength of his posing ability in the posing round.
sneaky way of admitting what we are all telling and showing you:
that dorian's physique itself was overrated and got dominated from the front by everyone from Padilla to Ray to Levrone to Nasser to Dillett..well, even Milos owned dorian in the quater turns in 94.... :-\
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Padilla's turn to dominate the keg.
That's why Padilla won ::) oh wait no it was ' politics ' that held the Puerto Rican down ::)
here's a pic of Danny getting crushed ;)
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was there ANYONE out there who didn't have better quads than dorian?
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That's why Padilla won
1981 dummy. You either work for the IFBB or have the biggest hardon to.
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you keep emphasizing this fact with dorian, and its pretty clear why.
you are admiting that his physique wasn't good enough on its own merits so he had to get by based on the strength of his posing ability in the posing round.
sneaky way of admitting what we are all telling and showing you:
that dorian's physique itself was overrated and got dominated from the front by everyone from Padilla to Ray to Levrone to Nasser to Dillett..well, even Milos owned dorian in the quater turns in 94.... :-\
it has NOTHING to do with Dorian it applies to everyone
I've said many times that some guys have advantages in poses that Dorian does NOT , quite natural , however when all things are considered Dorian beats them ALL in MOST of the criteria
which is why a guy like Dorian can easily win the symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmertical ' Dorian's physique was so far and beyond everyone that he could win with a torn bicep/tricep and quad ;)
Dorian easily has among the best ab-thighs and the best ever front latspread in the history of the sport , you're under this delusion that because YOU can't see his detail that he's smooth LMFAO and is getting beat
You my very dumb witted friend are ALWAYS , ALWAYS in stark contrast to the 13 judges who judged Dorian the best by far , you can cry politics all you want because then the same politics worked for Ronnie ;)
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you're under this delusion that because YOU can't see his detail that he's smooth
yeah, everyone quick! look at all the detail!
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1981 dummy. You either work for the IFBB or have the biggest hardon to.
That's not what you claimed , you claimed Danny was dominating ' the keg ' ironically Yates had no gut what so ever that year ( dummy ) and I explained that why Danny won ::) Danny looked great , Dorian easily beat him
the IFBB and their judging ONLY works when your ethnic heros win , great logic.
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yeah, everyone quick! look at all the detail!
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Again do other have more detail in this shot? sure , does anyone 262 pounds of unmatched density & dryness ? ;) does anyone have the balance & proportion or the technical excellence in this pose? NO
Dorian easily beats anyone in this pose Ronnie included
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All rounds are physique rounds , meaning all aspects of the judging criteria is assessed as a whole in every single pose , Dorian clearly has the advantage in muscular bulk easily out-muscling both Shawn & Kevin , Dorian is harder & drier than both , Dorian has better balance & proportion than both
Shawn & Kevin have some advantages in this poses but when all things are considered Dorian is easily besting the two
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Dorian easily beats anyone in this pose Ronnie included
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think again:
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think again:
I don't have to ;) and I'll pic the pictures where Dorian blows soft Ronnie out of the water . ALL VASTLY better
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ronnie 99 crushes dorian's best ever 93 shape lat spread
makes dorian look like an ice rink..
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hey Mr 1duhful, you do realize that Momo beat dorian in 1990
now, by your own fucked logic, momo would alway have beaten Yates no matter what dorian offered later on..
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Rather than quickly typing another illogical rebuttal, perhaps you should actually read and consider the points being offered. I have posted the video from Dorian's 1995 routine multiple times, where he was far and away the best bodybuilder, no question. Instead of acknowledging his excellent form, even if only in that contest, you proceed to knock Dorian incessantly. As I asked before, if you consider his 1995 form, which many consider to be arguably his best, to be an abomination, how lowly then was Ronnie? He didn't even register as a footnote in the very same show? It is you who makes remarks slamming Yates at every turn, meanwhile holding Ronnie up high from the very same 1995 contest. Thus, the issue as to whether Ronnie was in his prime by that point is taken out of the equation. Ironically, you have previously indicated the unfairness of such a comparison, being that Ronnie wasn't at his peak, the inference being that Ronnie was inferior. But when it suits you, you do an about face and suggest Ronnie was in fact better, even in 1995. Such tactics indicate a significant lack of credibility and objectivity on your part. Forget about all the photos. Watch the two 1995 clips and I dare you to honestly suggest that Dorian wasn't far superior, at least on that day.
My suggestion of 1995 Dorian being superior to any year of Ronnie is not based on contest history alone, but also on the specific comparative merits of each physique. Their is a certain subjective component, yes. But my belief is that Dorian is superior, nonetheless.
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how many threads do you homosexuals need?
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yeah, zero.
he went from placing dead last at the olympia to winning 8 MR. O's, an AC title (something dorian was never good enough to do) and more pro wins than anyone alive, including your waiter hero.
yup, it didn't mean much..
ha ha ha, ND makes no sense. I guess you have to be retarded to understand him.
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Lol, none of those quotes are from I.F.B.B judges,so none of them matter. What we do know for a fact is that Dorian won the 1995 Oympia with straight-firts scores from all judges in both rounds, defeating a Kevin in the best shape of his career. Compare this to Ronnie at the 1999 Olympia who only won one round with straight-firsts scores and not unaniously against an out-of-shape Wheeler. I own you, Semen Boy, and you can't go tit for that against me at an intellectual discussion on any topic whatsoever, not even on a bodybuilding ones. ;)
Yo mean quotes from "Earl", the guy who recently had the honor of having a thread about how gay he is started where dozens of people made fun of his love for Levrone? Gve me a break. And as for me stating the opposite of what I've stated in the past on some subjects, that's called changing my mind. I don't need to have nowadays all of the same opinions I did years ago. And it goes to show how much I own your mind and how much I have traumatized you with my superior intellect that you save each and every quote where someone says something nasty about me because it makes you feel so god on the inside. I don't save quotes from other people about you because, franky, I don't care about you. You my friend, are insignificant in the bigger sheme of things. You saving quotes about me constituts a brutal self-ownage. ;) Well, at least you have the consolation that I can't claim credit for this particular owning of you as the credit is all yours. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
When SemenHole gets owned, he remains very silent. That's a pattern for him.
SUCKMYMSCLE
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ronnie 99 crushes dorian's best ever 93 shape lat spread
makes dorian look like an ice rink..
Such an assertion is ridiculous. In your deluded mind, perhaps this is so, but according to bodybuilding guidelines or common sense, it is far from the case. Putting the differences in lighting, etc of the comparison photos aside, I will offer you this. As it is called a "lat spread" one of the most noteable advantages Dorian has is in the massive width and thickness in his lats in the pose. This is very clear. Secondly, Dorian has better tie-ins between his chest and delts. In this area, Ronnie has tie-ins that are somewhat shallow. Dorian's delts themselves are more developed and capped. The much thicker lats and better developed delts in particular make this a much more prominant pose for Yates. The Shadow's chest is much fuller. Ronnie's chest, although striated, is very shallow (in this pose). Abs are a somewhat minor point. Ronnie is in good condition, but has a short strange ab chain, so I'll give the nod to Yates. In this pose, I'll give Yates the nod for arms, as the forearms are the most prominant part of the shot and Dorian is better in that area. The other parts of the arms don't really get featured to any large degree. Calves are not even a question, as Dorian is renowned for his, Ronnie not so much. THE ONLY area that I will concede to Ronnie in this pose, is quads. Ronnie's show a more pleasing shape and have better separation. You may endeavor to debate conditioning, but Yates was unquestionably conditioned in that contest. If you choose to dismiss his photos, watch the video. The man was in shape and very dry. To be fair, I'll consider conditioning a wash, as each man displays his own unique look of conditioning. This is a pose in which there is no dispute. Dorian clearly wins. He actually makes Ronnie look thin and underdeveloped, in comparison. Dorian's overall balance and density sets him apart. Class Dismissed. Consider yourself owned once again.
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When Sir NeoSeminole gets owned, he remains very silent. That's a pattern for him.
did I say you can speak?
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ha ha ha, ND makes no sense. I guess you have to be retarded to understand him.
I make no sense to the senseless ;)
this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter
you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic
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I make no sense to the senseless ;)
this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter
you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic
lol ND killing the tiny tits with logic!
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Great pic. Shows how far ahead Dorian was.
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This Guy blows them both at their best.. :o
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Funny how smooth Yates looks.
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Funny how smooth Yates looks.
no shit
and the idiot guy will probably ignore it as usual.,. ::)
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I make no sense to the senseless
this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter
you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic
show me where I said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned than Dorian. Oh wait, you can't. ;) And I already admitted I was wrong about 01 Ronnie carrying more bulk than 93 Dorian a long time ago. I said they were most likely the same size. All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.
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Funny how smooth Yates looks.
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how many threads do you homosexuals need?
Not as many as you would need when you're licking your tops balls............
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show me where I said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned than Dorian. Oh wait, you can't. ;) And I already admitted I was wrong about 01 Ronnie carrying more bulk than 93 Dorian a long time ago. I said they were most likely the same size. All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.
LMFAO the same size you amended your statement from a 247 pound Ronnie isn't carrying more muscular bulk compared to a 257 pound Dorian to they are most likely the same size , you're a retard only in your fantasy comparisons is Ronnie making Dorian look small
you claimed on many occasions Ronnie 2003 had better conditioning , and you know it period. you went so far as to dismiss this claim from McGough saying an MD would tell us that Ronnie was better conditioned lol
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.
Ha ha ha epic projection , this coming from the guy who manipulated quotes and omitted parts to make it appear Dorian wasn't in the running, you didn't dare respond to this in the other post because you were exposed and you I bust you , you don't even respond out of humiliation .
this is your original post
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
now you being the lying weasel you are you omitted a fact for a reason and that reason is deception ;)
here is the untouched quote
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
Opppsssss Neo the liar is BUSTED ;)
example two of your outright deception , your quote
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
The part of the quote YOU specifically left out right after
I guess , I don't know
Uh Oh Neo exposed as the liar he is yet again lol
Neo = owned
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did I say you can speak?
Run, SemenHole, run. Put your tail between your legs and run... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Run, SemenHole, run. Put your tail between your legs and run... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He manipulates quotes , his partner posted dozens & dozens of photshopped pics for months and months lol they're melting down on every thread
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He manipulates quotes , his partner posted dozens & dozens of photshopped pics for months and months lol they're melting down on every thread
SemenHole is the modern Gallileo who proved that Ronnie being better than Dorian is as certain as the Earth being round, and we are the heathens that disagree with him! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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SemenHole is the modern Gallileo who proved that Ronnie being better than Dorian is as certain as the Earth being round, and we are the heathens that disagree with him! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Heresy !! the lot of us are confined to house arrest
were you this dumb at his age? I know I wasn't lol he tries so hard to fit in but he always end up exposing himself.
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were you this dumb at his age?
No. I could read and write in six languages and was starting to work on my PhD thesis at his age. But then, this is not surprising since I'm a Dorian supporter. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No. I could read and write in six languages and was starting to work on my PhD thesis at his age. But then, this is not surprising since I'm a Dorian supporter. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
But he's a " Certified Person Trainer " that means he has his finger on the pulse of the competitive bodybuilding community
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1993 NO excuses
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1993 NO excuses
Exactly! Complete from head to toe, front to back. I hope the trolls like the gun show in that pic. Hey trolls, how do you like them apples?
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Exactly! Complete from head to toe, front to back. I hope the trolls like the gun show in that pic. Hey trolls, how do you like them apples?
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Too Easy!
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This is really Dorian's best , his arms aren't small nothing is torn and he simply looks better heavier , he carries his weight exceptionally well and his density is not compromised
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This is really Dorian's best , his arms aren't small nothing is torn and he simply looks better heavier , he carries his weight exceptionally well and his density is not compromised
eww, you call disgusting bacne and loose folds of skin the "best ever?" And this is supposedly his prime? :-\
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what a massacre of dorian by ronnie:
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eww, you call disgusting bacne and loose folds of skin the "best ever?" And this is supposedly his prime? :-\
you'll post quotes saying Ronnie 1998 is the best ever with bitch tits ;)
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So ND you concede on the loose skin/bacne combo. I too wonder how Ronnie's always stayed so healthy skinned.
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So ND you concede on the loose skin/bacne combo. I too wonder how Ronnie's always stayed so healthy skinned.
black don't crack.
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black don't crack.
Or hides it better.? ???
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Or hides it better.? ???
or have none:
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So ND you concede on the loose skin/bacne combo. I too wonder how Ronnie's always stayed so healthy skinned.
He has NO lose skin that's nonsense it's wrinkles if the skin in that area was lose his x-mass tree would NEVER be this razor sharp period , lose skin doesn't automatically tighten up from shot to another that's these guys reaching for ANY angle they can and reaching hard , Dorian is the hardest & driest guy there was
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He has NO lose skin that's nonsense it's wrinkles if the skin in that area was lose his x-mass tree would NEVER be this razor sharp period , lose skin doesn't automatically tighten up from shot to another that's these guys reaching for ANY angle they can and reaching hard , Dorian is the hardest & driest guy there was
it's loose skin, idiot. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates10ab.jpg)
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NEO=OWNED!!!
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NEO=OWNED!!!
since we are comparing the 2 best backs of all-time, enlighten us all how I got owned for posting a pic of Dorian before a prime Ronnie? This should be easy for you unless you're not as smart as you think. ;)
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since we are comparing the 2 best backs of all-time, enlighten us all how I got owned for posting a pic of Dorian before a prime Ronnie? This should be easy for you unless you're not as smart as you think. ;)
Sorry, I forgot that you are illiterate and couldn't read the caption of the very photo you posted. I apologize for my insensitivity. lol ;D
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Sorry, I forgot that you are illiterate and couldn't read the caption of the very photo you posted. I apologize for my insensitivity. lol
so you admit that I wasn't owned? B/c you haven't given an explanation yet. If you were intelligent, you would realize by my response that I already addressed the caption. I'm waiting... ;)
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it's loose skin, idiot. ;)
The irony of you calling anyone an idiot , especially on the topic of conditioning , this coming from the the ignorant dolt who claimed Ronnie was harder & drier than Dorian lol which was soundly proven wrong by me ;)
and no , it's not it's wrinkles big difference , lose skin wouldn't disappear in pose where he highlights his x-mass tree , notice it's only you and the other delusional nutt-huggers who claim Dorian has loose skin on his back no less , I've read every Olympia contest review about Yates and NEVER anywhere does it say he has any loose skin anywhere never mind his back . so when it comes to the topic of conditioning those of us in the know will laugh once more at your ignorance and desperation ;)
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NEO=OWNED!!!
As is typical Neo, everything must be explained to you in triplicate. Only on you, would the irony be lost of posting a picture with the aim of discrediting the physique featured, while the caption of that picture reaffirms the dominance of that very physique. It is the owning of the worst kind, a self-owning.
Neo=Owned!
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As is typical Neo, everything must be explained to you in triplicate. Only on you, would the irony be lost of posting a picture with the aim of discrediting the physique featured, while the caption of that picture reaffirms the dominance of that very physique. It is the owning of the worst kind, a self-owning.
Neo=Owned!
hahahaha, brutal 16 inch arms in that shot. :D
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hahahaha, brutal 16 inch arms in that shot. :D
Oh so you're back to claiming you have bigger arms than Dorian again? same contest whats your excuse now Dave? ;)
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ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine. They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.
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ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine. They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.
Incredible
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ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine. They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.
That videos silences the ignorant , I'm still laughing that a 247 pound Ronnie has a thicker wider back than Dorian at 260 pounds lol
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As is typical Neo, everything must be explained to you in triplicate. Only on you, would the irony be lost of posting a picture with the aim of discrediting the physique featured, while the caption of that picture reaffirms the dominance of that very physique. It is the owning of the worst kind, a self-owning.
so you concede that you're wrong since you have yet to explain how I was "owned?" ;)
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I'm still waiting... ;)
I'm not surprised.
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I'm not surprised.
bwahaha, it's so fun watching you dodge an explanation to avoid embarrassment. How was I owned when the caption pertains to Dorian's competition during his reign? It has nothing to do with a peak Ronnie, which is what this discussion is comparing. Moreover, I never said Dorian had a crappy back. He had the second best back of all-time despite its flaws. So I ask you one more time: how was I owned? If you fail to provide a valid reason, then you concede that you're wrong. ;)
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bwahaha, it's so fun watching you dodge an explanation to avoid embarrassment. How was I owned when the caption pertains to Dorian's competition during his reign? It has nothing to do with a peak Ronnie, which is what this discussion is comparing. Moreover, I never said Dorian had a crappy back. He had the second best back of all-time despite its flaws. So I ask you one more time: how was I owned? If you fail to provide a valid reason, then you concede that you're wrong. ;)
more hypocrisy , like you dodged my post exposing you for manipulating quotes? ;) you didn't dare respond because you're fucked and know it
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more hypocrisy , like you dodged my post exposing you for manipulating quotes? you didn't dare respond because you're fucked and know it
thanks for following me, puppy. You came for your milkshake? ;)
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thanks for following me, puppy. You came for your milkshake? ;)
wow another failure on your behalf , great attempt at avoiding your vicious owning yet again lol ;) it's only getting worse for especially in the new interview Dorian confirms just about everything I said all along , it's nice when you have what matters the most confirm your point of view is accurate , to bad you don;t have any IFBB judges confirming what you claim lol
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wow another failure on your behalf , great attempt at avoiding your vicious owning yet again lol it's only getting worse for especially in the new interview Dorian confirms just about everything I said all along , it's nice when you have what matters the most confirm your point of view is accurate , to bad you don;t have any IFBB judges confirming what you claim lol
boy, you really hurt yourself with that quote. It must burn you to know I own your ass. ;)
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boy, you really hurt yourself with that quote. It must burn you to know I own your ass. ;)
you own nothing and we both know it , you manipulated quotes and I exposed you for it and you didn't dare respond
and the quote didn't hurt anything it's in relation to your owning , enjoy dummy ;)
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you own nothing and we both know it , you manipulated quotes and I exposed you for it and you didn't dare respond
and the quote didn't hurt anything it's in relation to your owning , enjoy dummy
yawn, you exposed nothing. I have owned you repeatedly and you keep responding like a fool who doesn't know when to give up. Enjoy dummy! ;)
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yawn, you exposed nothing. I have owned you repeatedly and you keep responding like a fool who doesn't know when to give up. Enjoy dummy! ;)
now you're reduced to copying me yet again lol you're always playing follow the leader lol the milkshake quote backfired on you in grand fashion you tried to turn it into something gay , what does that tell us on where your train of thought is? lol
you don't own shit , you never owned shit , you made a bunch of claims that were all wrong and I corrected you on , you follow me around from thread to thread begging for my attention trying to equal the score lol I drink your milkshake kid I drink it up
and I'm going to expose even more of your BULL SHIT right now lol you're once again fucked kid , the best part of debating with you dummies is eventually I was proven right by the people who matter the most , IFBB judges lol and you idiots are left looking real stupid and to proud to admit you were just crushed by someone who always knew what they were talking about
now Neo what were you saying about ' loose skin ' ?
[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.
Neo = owned again by me and Dorian Yates LOL
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Honestly ND, Neo clearly lacks the intellectual capacity to joust on-line versus two cerebral individuals like you and I. In fact, might I suggest that by our dignifying his buffoonery with a response, our own cognitive abilities may begin to suffer. To truly appeal to his level of understanding would necessitate our "dumbing down" or replies, which even then, will likely fall upon deaf ears. The reality is, that the video of Dorian in all his 1995 glory is really the final word, to which the trolls have not been able to provide an answer. Nor will they.
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Honestly ND, Neo clearly lacks the intellectual capacity to joust on-line versus two cerebral individuals like you and I. In fact, might I suggest that by our dignifying his buffoonery with a response, our own cognitive abilities may begin to suffer. To truly appeal to his level of understanding would necessitate our "dumbing down" or replies, which even then, will likely fall upon deaf ears. The reality is, that the video of Dorian in all his 1995 glory is really the final word, to which the trolls have not been able to provide an answer. Nor will they.
I don't mind debating anyone on the topic of bodybuilding , I enjoy talking about the subject . but this kid is constantly wrong and I do enjoy correcting him , it's astounding how off the mark he is on all things competitive bodybuilding . but I get your point these guys have moved past the point of debate and just attempt to defame , attack and bash it's shame too because Dorian speaks so highly of Ronnie and Ronnie does of Yates , to bad his fans are so wrapped up in hate , but I understand why because their hero simply couldn't best Yates and they know it
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now Neo what were you saying about ' loose skin ' ?
[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.
Oh noes!!! So b/c Dorian said so, it must be true!!! :o
get the f*ck out of here with that nonsense. The pics clearly show he had loose folds of skin. If he said he was 100% black, would you believe him? ::)
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Oh noes!!! So b/c Dorian said so, it must be true!!! :o
get out of here with that nonsense. The pics clearly show he had loose folds of skin. If he said he was 100% black, would you believe him? ::)
Ha ha ha ha once again you played your hand arguing with an IFBB judge , you're confusing wrinkles with loose skin lol you committed to this ignorant claim in a pathetic attempt to gain an advantage and now that you've been exposed and ME vindicated what are you going to say? I don't expect you to have any integrity and admit the obvious lol
in black & white Yates says specifically what I claimed all along NO LOOSE SKIN and IFBB judge the cream of the crop lol you're so fucked right now kid it's not funny lol I'm sure you read the interview and he puts to bed a LOT of the ignorant shit you spewed lol remember posting pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates at 270 in the B&W pics , claiming he was soft lol and I told you he was in better shape than anyone lol oh and how about Dorian looking better in person? LOL
everything I ever typed as validated by a IFBB judge lol
I'm right , I've always been right and you're wrong I crushed you and your dumb opinion , bow down to the superior intellect you dummy ;)
I drink your milkshake lol
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Ha ha ha ha once again you played your hand arguing with an IFBB judge , you're confusing wrinkles with loose skin lol you committed to this ignorant claim in a pathetic attempt to gain an advantage and now that you've been exposed and ME vindicated what are you going to say? I don't expect you to have any integrity and admit the obvious lol
in black & white Yates says specifically what I claimed all along NO LOOSE SKIN and IFBB judge the cream of the crop lol you're so fucked right now kid it's not funny lol I'm sure you read the interview and he puts to bed a LOT of the ignorant shit you spewed lol remember posting pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates at 270 in the B&W pics , claiming he was soft lol and I told you he was in better shape than anyone lol oh and how about Dorian looking better in person? LOL
sorry kiddo, but the pics clearly show he's wrong. You can keep your fallible testimony. I will rely on infallible visual evidence. ;)
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I don't mind debating anyone on the topic of bodybuilding , I enjoy talking about the subject . but this kid is constantly wrong and I do enjoy correcting him , it's astounding how off the mark he is on all things competitive bodybuilding . but I get your point these guys have moved past the point of debate and just attempt to defame , attack and bash it's shame too because Dorian speaks so highly of Ronnie and Ronnie does of Yates , to bad his fans are so wrapped up in hate , but I understand why because their hero simply couldn't best Yates and they know it
Precisely. By my own admission, I am not a Coleman fan. That being said, when I have felt one of his victories was just, I have said as much. Certainly, we all have a degree of bias, but we must maintain some objectivity if we are to have even a shred of credibility. I have found that logical reasoning tends to go out the window with Neo and those of his ilk. Although I usually hesitate to indulge in such antics, I have recently resorted to giving such individuals a taste of their own medicine, by way of posting "select" photos of their hero in a less than top form. Rather than picking up upon the intended satire of my doing so, they cry foul with hypocrisy. What they fail miserably to realize, is that the opinion we have expressed of Dorian being greater than that of Ronnie is not precipitated upon the application of our own personal criteria, but rather, the application of the IFBB judging criteria. Those can be two very different things. If they feel, by way of their own personal standards that it is the reverse, that is their right, but such sentiment really does not fall in line with actual judging guidelines.
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Precisely. By my own admission, I am not a Coleman fan. That being said, when I have felt one of his victories was just, I have said as much. Certainly, we all have a degree of bias, but we must maintain some objectivity if we are to have even a shred of credibility. I have found that logical reasoning tends to go out the window with Neo and those of his ilk. Although I usually hesitate to indulge in such antics, I have recently resorted to giving such individuals a taste of their own medicine, by way of posting "select" photos of their hero in a less than top form. Rather than picking up upon the intended satire of my doing so, they cry foul with hypocrisy. What they fail miserably to realize, is that the opinion we have expressed of Dorian being greater than that of Ronnie is not precipitated upon the application of our own personal criteria, but rather, the application of the IFBB judging criteria. Those can be two very different things. If they feel, by way of their own personal standards that it is the reverse, that is their right, but such sentiment really does not fall in line with actual judging guidelines.
translation: I prefer Dorian but I'm going to use superfluous wording to make it appear like I know what I'm talking about. ;)
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translation: I prefer Dorian but I'm going to use superfluous wording to make it appear like I know what I'm talking about. ;)
Dorian's physique at its peak is more exemplitive of the IFBB judging guidelines, than was Ronnie's. This pivotal factor, along with much larger margins of victory, coupled with a far better win/loss ratio, are more than substantive on which to base a conclusion of Dorian being superior. To make no mention of the rather convincing video that continues to get nary a mention from the Coleman faithful. Ronnie's own words affirm such a conclusion. As such, perhaps you should take up your case with Ronnie as well. While I am sure Ronnie would find it flattering that you consider him superior in physique, I am not as confident in his response to the acrimony you reserve for anyone not in agreement with you. And make no mistake, his lack of agreement is quite explicit.
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Dorian's physique at its peak is more exemplitive of the IFBB judging guidelines, than was Ronnie's.
wrong. Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, taper, and fullness would edge out Dorian. All of the above are part of the IFBB judging criteria, and Ronnie matches or exceeds Dorian in each category. This confirms what all the professional bodybuilders, industry experts, magazine writers, and the IFBB co-founder have said. ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. "
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
"I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
"Ronnie Coleman is absolutely phenomenal, and I really mean that. I would also agree with all the experts who believe that he is the best bodybuilder of all time. However, I don't think he has the most aesthetic body of all time, but having said that, he certainly is the best (for IFBB pro judges) in bodybuilding."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
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If Ronnie were truly superior, then one would have expected his victories to have had an even greater margin of victory than those of Dorian's reign. History proves that Dorian won by a much greater margin against the same top competitors, who were arguably in better condition while competing against Dorian. How is it that as the quality of the competition diminished, Ronnie could not win in a more convincing fashion than that of the champion that preceded him?
The 1995 clip of Dorian has the Coleman faithful running scared. Too afraid to confront the truth.
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If Ronnie were truly superior, then one would have expected his victories to have had an even greater margin of victory than those of Dorian's reign. History proves that Dorian won by a much greater margin against the same top competitors, who were arguably in better condition while competing against Dorian. How is it that as the quality of the competition diminished, Ronnie could not win in a more convincing fashion than that of the champion that preceded him?
you cannot score any better than straight firsts, dipshit. Most experts consider Ronnie's prime to be either the 01 ASC or 03 Mr. Olympia. Both contests were the most clear-cut victories of all-time.
The 1995 clip of Dorian has the Coleman faithful running scared. Too afraid to confront the truth.
Dorian was great in 95, but peak Ronnie was better. ;)
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If Ronnie were truly superior, then one would have expected his victories to have had an even greater margin of victory than those of Dorian's reign. History proves that Dorian won by a much greater margin against the same top competitors, who were arguably in better condition while competing against Dorian. How is it that as the quality of the competition diminished, Ronnie could not win in a more convincing fashion than that of the champion that preceded him?
The 1995 clip of Dorian has the Coleman faithful running scared. Too afraid to confront the truth.
hahahaha, of course it does. :D
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sorry kiddo, but the pics clearly show he's wrong. You can keep your fallible testimony. I will rely on infallible visual evidence. ;)
No it doesn't YOU are again mistaken wrinkles for loose skin , I clearly showed you there is NO wrinkles or loose skin when he shows his x-mass tree , if there was it wouldn't be that highly defined and razor sharp
you're proved dead wrong by an IFBB judge and by me , I know it pains you to be proven dead wrong again by me but it doesn't changes the facts kid.
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you cannot score any better than straight firsts, dipshit. Most experts consider Ronnie's prime to be either the 01 ASC or 03 Mr. Olympia. Both contests were the most clear-cut victories of all-time.
Dorian was great in 95, but peak Ronnie was better. ;)
LMFAO still sticking to that story 2003 was his prime? prove it ;) 1998/2001 NOT 2003 sorry sport , wrong yet again and how did you come to the conclusion they were the most clear-cut victories? your delusion knows no bounds
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
you remember this quote? you should this is the one you manipulated ;)
Ronnie on PBW Ronnie what was your best Olympia? Ronnie Coleman : I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on
Where are the quotes backing up your claim 2003 was his prime showing? you're a dunce if you think that's his best
his conditioning sucks compared to 01/98 NEVERMIND Dorian his balance & proportion suck compared to 01/98 NEVERMIND Dorian
Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "
you have nothing as usual .
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LMFAO still sticking to that story 2003 was his prime? prove it ;) 1998/2001 NOT 2003 sorry sport , wrong yet again and how did you come to the conclusion they were the most clear-cut victories? your delusion knows no bounds
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
you remember this quote? you should this is the one you manipulated ;)
Ronnie on PBW Ronnie what was your best Olympia? Ronnie Coleman : I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on
Where are the quotes backing up your claim 2003 was his prime showing? you're a dunce if you think that's his best
his conditioning sucks compared to 01/98 NEVERMIND Dorian his balance & proportion suck compared to 01/98 NEVERMIND Dorian
Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "
you have nothing as usual .
Kudos my friend, that is an owning of the highest order.
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The Coleman faithful have had every opportunity to post a video to refute the overwhelming evidence that Dorian is dryer and more conditioned, yet have failed to do so. I suspect that if they were actually capable, they would have long ago.
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The Coleman faithful have had every opportunity to post a video to refute the overwhelming evidence that Dorian is dryer and more conditioned, yet have failed to do so. I suspect that if they were actually capable, they would have long ago.
Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , Neo picks 03 as the version that would beat Dorian lol the kid is just an awe struck fan-boy who bought all the BS in Muscular Development magazine
fact - Ronnie's balance & proportion in 03 were at among their all-time worse ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact- Ronnie's density & dryness are at among their worse , especially compared to 2001/1998 ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact - his posing & presentation sucked as usual ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact - NO credible worthwhile knowledgeable person says 2003 is the absolute best Ronnie Coleman has looked , they all reference 1998/2001 for the above mentioned reasons
the kid is just crushed , look at the delusion , Dorian has loose skin , 03 is his best , Ronnie's wins in 01/03 were some how more clear cut victories than Dorians LMFAO
At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest.The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
This is the most dominating Olympia performance in the history of the sport , NO NEED to call him out in the muscularity round lol did this happen in 2001? NO did this happen in 2003? NO did this happen in 1998? NO
Neo is owned again
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Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , Neo picks 03 as the version that would beat Dorian lol the kid is just an awe struck fan-boy who bought all the BS in Muscular Development magazine
fact - Ronnie's balance & proportion in 03 were at among their all-time worse ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact- Ronnie's density & dryness are at among their worse , especially compared to 2001/1998 ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact - his posing & presentation sucked as usual ( never mind compared to Dorian )
fact - NO credible worthwhile knowledgeable person says 2003 is the absolute best Ronnie Coleman has looked , they all reference 1998/2001 for the above mentioned reasons
the kid is just crushed , look at the delusion , Dorian has loose skin , 03 is his best , Ronnie's wins in 01/03 were some how more clear cut victories than Dorians LMFAO
At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest.The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
This is the most dominating Olympia performance in the history of the sport , NO NEED to call him out in the muscularity round lol did this happen in 2001? NO did this happen in 2003? NO did this happen in 1998? NO
Neo is owned again
You should go into writing political ad campaigns ;D
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At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest.The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
This is the most dominating Olympia performance in the history of the sport , NO NEED to call him out in the muscularity round lol did this happen in 2001? NO did this happen in 2003? NO did this happen in 1998? NO
Neo is owned again
There has never been a contest where such utter dominance has been displayed in such manner before, or since the 1993 Mr. Olympia. Awesome!
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No it doesn't YOU are again mistaken wrinkles for loose skin , I clearly showed you there is NO wrinkles or loose skin when he shows his x-mass tree , if there was it wouldn't be that highly defined and razor sharp
no shit, dumbass. That's b/c he's stretching his skin when he shows his Christmas tree. An old person can make their saggy skin disappear if they stretch it out. Damn, you're pretty dumb. If Dorian didn't have loose skin, then it wouldn't show in other poses.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates10ab.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates43a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates44a-1.jpg)
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LMFAO still sticking to that story 2003 was his prime? prove it 1998/2001 NOT 2003 sorry sport , wrong yet again and how did you come to the conclusion they were the most clear-cut victories? your delusion knows no bounds
yawn ::)
IFBB Website - History of the Mr. Olympia
"The night (October 25, 2003) was Ronnie's. Whatever doubt people had was dispelled as soon as Ronnie hit the stage. He was in his best shape ever, at 39 years old."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/4/
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tongue a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. People were just shaking their heads"
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
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yawn ::)
IFBB Website - History of the Mr. Olympia
"The night (October 25, 2003) was Ronnie's. Whatever doubt people had was dispelled as soon as Ronnie hit the stage. He was in his best shape ever, at 39 years old."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/4/
Cling to that belief if you wish, but it doesn't change the fact 2003 Ronnie is made to look positively soft by 1995 Yates. Or by any version of Yates for that matter, despite Ronnie having a guru to hold his hand.
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Cling to that belief if you wish, but it doesn't change the fact 2003 Ronnie is made to look positively soft by 1995 Yates. Or by any version of Yates for that matter, despite Ronnie having a guru to hold his hand.
"positively soft?" Yeah, okaay buddy. You weren't even there. ;)
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004
"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
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"positively soft?" Yeah, okaay buddy. You weren't even there. ;)
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004
"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
Why would I need to have been there? lol My comments where based upon a comparison of the videos posted of 2003 Ronnie and 1995 Yates. You can quote all of the comments you wish, but none of them refutes the visual evidence posted, nor touches upon such a comparison in any form. Any quotes touting Ronnie as unbeatable were phrased within the context of the 2003 contest itself. Ronnie may have looked good in comparison to his competition in 2003 and been unbeatable for them on that night, but luckily for him, Yates was not onstage, or he would have been made to look very soft, just as is the case with the videos. You can't refute that Ronnie is made to look soft by Yates, you just keep grasping at straws, all to no avail. If you truly wanted to debate conditioning, most people would be smart enough to at least try compare 1998 Ronnie, but not you. You cling to 2003, which only worsens the case for your hero. You're all hat, and no cattle.
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Why would I need to have been there? lol My comments where based upon a comparison of the videos posted of 2003 Ronnie and 1995 Yates.
b/c your opinion is based on a small YouTube video with limited quality even though people who saw both in person disagree with you. ;)
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Any quotes touting Ronnie as unbeatable were phrased within the context of the 2003 contest itself.
keep lying, idiot. That's all the Dorian nuthuggers seem to do. ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tongue a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. People were just shaking their heads"
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
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Just answer a simple question Neo. In the vids posted of 2003 Ronnie and 1995 Yates, who is showing the better crisper conditioning? It's a simple question, stop avoiding it and just answer it.
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Just answer a simple question Neo. In the vids posted of 2003 Ronnie and 1995 Yates, who is showing the better crisper conditioning? It's a simple question, stop avoiding it and just answer it.
I'm not avoiding anything. You're just asking a really dumb question. It would be like me asking you "who was bigger?" I never said 03 Ronnie had better conditioning than 95 Dorian - ever. So I'm not sure what the purpose of your question is. I've always maintained that Ronnie's combination of size, symmetry, separations and striations, shape, taper, and fullness would beat Dorian.
by the way, that's a crappy video you posted of Ronnie. I used to have a better one of 03 Ronnie but it was taken down by YouTube for copyright reasons.
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no shit, dumbass. That's b/c he's stretching his skin when he shows his Christmas tree. An old person can make their saggy skin disappear if they stretch it out. Damn, you're pretty dumb. If Dorian didn't have loose skin, then it wouldn't show in other poses.
idiot loose skin becoming tight is an oxymoron , look Yates owned you again as did I , I know you're a proud man but you're dummy , no loose skin sorry . who's opinion shall we believe? one of the sports most knowledgeable professionals who is a six-time Mr Olympia winner who is known for his insane conditioning or Neoseminole? a ' certified personal trainer' ? lol
give it up with this angle you're soundly proven wrong AGAIN
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yawn ::)
IFBB Website - History of the Mr. Olympia
"The night (October 25, 2003) was Ronnie's. Whatever doubt people had was dispelled as soon as Ronnie hit the stage. He was in his best shape ever, at 39 years old."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/4/
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tongue a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. People were just shaking their heads"
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
yawn ::)
IFBB Website - History of the Mr. Olympia
"The night (October 25, 2003) was Ronnie's. Whatever doubt people had was dispelled as soon as Ronnie hit the stage. He was in his best shape ever, at 39 years old."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/4/
This is the ONLY quote I ever seen that said 03 was his best ever , which is obviously wrong and why? his balance & proportion at it's all-time worse as is his density & dryness , in fact Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best ;) among Perine , and McGough who picks 2001
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tongue a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. People were just shaking their heads"
NO WHERE does this say 2003 is his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
NO WHERE does this say 2003 is his best showing thanks for playing dummy
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
NO WHERE does this say 2003 was his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
NO WHERE does it say 2003 was his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"I will never forget (October 25th 2003) the moment when Ronnie first stepped on the stage, because it seemed that all sense of time had stopped for a moment. Everyone was in a state of complete shock, and an eerie silence was broken only by the whispers of sheer disbelief! No human EVER looked like that! EVER!"
"Reportedly, he weighed in around 290 pounds at a height of 5' 11", and it is my guess that he was actually below 3% body fat! His conditioning was simply superb, and his muscle mass absolutely unmatched… I realized then and there that Ronnie Coleman was simply unbeatable!"
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
NO WHERE does it say 2003 was his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
NO WHERE does it say 2003 was his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
yawn ::)
NO WHERE does it say 2003 was his best showing thanks for playing dummy
Neo you're a failure , you posted many quotes and ONLY ONE says 2003 was his best ever , which is laughable it contradicts reality . you post all those other quotes and not fucking one of them says 2003 is his best showing ever , the vast majority say 1998/2001 I could avalanche you with these quotes but we both know it already ;)
another backfired thread by boy-Neo lol
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I'm not avoiding anything. You're just asking a really dumb question. It would be like me asking you "who was bigger?" I never said 03 Ronnie had better conditioning than 95 Dorian - ever. So I'm not sure what the purpose of your question is. I've always maintained that Ronnie's combination of size, symmetry, separations and striations, shape, taper, and fullness would beat Dorian.
by the way, that's a crappy video you posted of Ronnie. I used to have a better one of 03 Ronnie but it was taken down by YouTube for copyright reasons.
Bull shit you said on multiple occasions Ronnie 03 was better conditioned than Dorian period. until I proved you wrong again . you said on many occasions that an MD would tell you Ronnie is better conditioned lol
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Bull shit you said on multiple occasions Ronnie 03 was better conditioned than Dorian period. until I proved you wrong again . you said on many occasions that an MD would tell you Ronnie is better conditioned lol
In light of the above, I guess I don't have to bother responding to your question Neo, it appears that you have already gotten the appropriate response. I forced you into a corner with the vids to the point where you had to back peddle and admit to Yates being better conditioned. At least you were finally honest about something.
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This is the ONLY quote I ever seen that said 03 was his best ever , which is obviously wrong and why? his balance & proportion at it's all-time worse as is his density & dryness , in fact Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best ;) among Perine , and McGough who picks 2001
This just shows even when your half right your still wrong
Are you suggesting his 03 form was WORSE than his 2004 form?
Surely not even you can be that simple.
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This just shows even when your half right your still wrong
Are you suggesting his 03 form was WORSE than his 2004 form?
Surely not even you can be that simple.
I'm not wrong at all , 03 was better condition wise and not by much , balance & proportion still atrocious .
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I'm not wrong at all , 03 was better condition wise and not by much , balance & proportion still atrocious .
Coleman had much better balace and proportion than this abortion.
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Coleman had much better balace and proportion than this abortion.
Not at his best he didn't not by a long shot and that ' abortion ' was 1st place in 1997 where was Ronnie? 9th how bad was Ronnie if Yates was an ' abortion ' ? ;)
pumpster = owned
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idiot loose skin becoming tight is an oxymoron , look Yates owned you again as did I , I know you're a proud man but you're dummy , no loose skin sorry . who's opinion shall we believe? one of the sports most knowledgeable professionals who is a six-time Mr Olympia winner who is known for his insane conditioning or Neoseminole? a ' certified personal trainer' ? lol
no, it's not an oxymoron. Loose skin is simply skin that is not taught. So what do you think happens when you stretch it? It gets tight, you dumbass. That's why Dorian's loose skin appears in some poses but disappears when he shows his Christmas tree. Spare me your lame retort "who's opinion shall we believe?" It's not my opinion if the visual evidence backs up what I say. I'm stating a fact.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates10ab.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates43a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates44a-1.jpg)
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Bull shit you said on multiple occasions Ronnie 03 was better conditioned than Dorian period. until I proved you wrong again . you said on many occasions that an MD would tell you Ronnie is better conditioned lol
stop lying. I never said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned. I said 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian, and made comparisons to prove it. I think you're getting the years mixed up. Perhaps you'll remember these:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie43a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie40a.jpg)
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no, it's not an oxymoron. Loose skin is simply skin that is not taught. So what do you think happens when you stretch it? It gets tight, you dumbass. That's why Dorian's loose skin appears in some poses but disappears when he shows his Christmas tree. Spare me your lame retort "who's opinion shall we believe?" It's not my opinion if the visual evidence backs up what I say. I'm stating a fact.
Neo you find yourself once again in direct opposition to an IFBB judge regarding a FACT , Dorian said specifically he had NO loose skin period that ends ANYTHING you ever typed on the subject
you can't even find any converging evidence to substanciate this dumb accusation well do you really want to count Hulkster? ???
Dorian is one of the best conditioned athletes of ALL-TIME better than Ronnie and better than anyone today lol and you're typing he has loose skin lol I'll sit on high an laugh at your ignorance Dorian and I silenced you yet again
keep typing I'll keep laughing
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Neo you find yourself once again in direct opposition to an IFBB judge regarding a FACT , Dorian said specifically he had NO loose skin period that ends ANYTHING you ever typed on the subject
you can't even find any converging evidence to substanciate this dumb accusation well do you really want to count Hulkster? ???
Dorian is one of the best conditioned athletes of ALL-TIME better than Ronnie and better than anyone today lol and you're typing he has loose skin lol I'll sit on high an laugh at your ignorance Dorian and I silenced you yet again
keep typing I'll keep laughing
lol
i dont think so!
yates was a hideous keg!
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stop lying. I never said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned. I said 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian, and made comparisons to prove it. I think you're getting the years mixed up. Perhaps you'll remember these:
I 100% sure you said 03 as well , maybe if I get motivated I'll do a search but I could care less , NO version of Ronnie is harder or drier than Dorian ;)
and those don't prove a thing not at all , different lighting , quality , etc and you're neglecting the fact Yates looks much better in person than pics lol
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ND, why do you keep insisting that dorian had no loose skin on his back when its in almost every pic of his back lat spread?
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if the judge said dorian had 5 legs would you insist on believing that too? ::)
because thats the equivelent of what you are doing.
dorian had lots of loose skin in his back.
let us show you once again:
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more examples of loose folds of skin.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates4-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-FatCow14.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates99.jpg)
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some pics of off-season Dorian. Look similar?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates32-1.jpg)
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ND, why do you keep insisting that dorian had no loose skin on his back when its in almost every pic of his back lat spread?
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if the judge said dorian had 5 legs would you insist on believing that too? ::)
because thats the equivelent of what you are doing.
dorian had lots of loose skin in his back.
let us show you once again:
[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.
NO LOOSE SKIN ;)
thanks for playing just who got corrected
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more examples of loose folds of skin.
No those are just examples of your ignorance and desperation
I'm sure seeing it was so prevalent you ca find the multiple contest reviews that confirm what you claim it should be real easy to because apparently it's every single contest
do post them when you have the chance , it's been years since you made this empty claim and have yet to produce anything
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ND, he says he had no loose skin
there are tons of photos showing his loose skin
no wonder you think he is better than Ronnie, you're BLIND
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ND, he says he had no loose skin
there are tons of photos showing his loose skin
no wonder you think he is better than Ronnie, you're BLIND
and stupid.
ND is in complete denial of everything, including the famous loose skin: ::)
you can show him a billions pics of the loose skin (and there are about that many) and will STILL deny that it exists... ::)\
thats how stupid this man truly is.. :-\
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yates was a hideous keg!
Pithy
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and stupid.
ND is in complete denial of everything, including the famous loose skin: ::)
you can show him a billions pics of the loose skin (and there are about that many) and will STILL deny that it exists... ::)\
thats how stupid this man truly is.. :-\
all dorian trolls should start a charity for ND, put all their money in, all of it, it might be enough to buy him a pair of glasses. :-\
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all dorian trolls should start a charity for ND, put all their money in, all of it, it might be enough to buy him a pair of glasses. :-\
hahahaha great idea.
but he needs a better brain, one that knows bb and philosophy, two topics he has demonstrated he knows fuck all about.
and you can't get a new brain..
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hahahaha great idea.
but he needs a better brain, one that knows bb and philosophy, two topics he has demonstrated he knows fuck all about.
and you can't get a new brain..
Again coming from the guy who claimed Flex Wheeler beat dorian in 1993 and Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian lol brutal self-ownage
and you praised my intelligence I never returned the favor
OWNED
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and stupid.
ND is in complete denial of everything, including the famous loose skin: ::)
you can show him a billions pics of the loose skin (and there are about that many) and will STILL deny that it exists... ::)\
thats how stupid this man truly is.. :-\
Loose skin where? it doesn't magically disappear from one pose to the next lol where is the loose skin? there is NONE
Dorian owned you I own you
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Loose skin where? it doesn't magically disappear from one pose to the next lol where is the loose skin? there is NONE
Dorian owned you I own you
when you flex, ofcourse it's gonna go away, it's why it's called "LOOSE SKIN"
it's not so loose once you're contracting your entire back ;)
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when you flex, ofcourse it's gonna go away, it's why it's called "LOOSE SKIN"
it's not so loose once you're contracting your entire back ;)
that's an oxymoron , loose skin doesn't become tight when you flex loose skin is the result of sub-q fat & water and Dorian's density & dryness was second to NONE period.
these dummies will type and type on how Dorian has loose skin and NO WHERE else has this been claimed ! I've read every single contest review from Yates' Olympia wins and NEVER did any claim he has any loose skin or he was holding excess water , I've told these guys since it's so prevalent feel free to post all the quotes pointing out this flaw and guess what? I'm still waiting
Here is ONE single quote talking about Dorian's conditioning going down the drain I can post many more too ;) that's how it's done you make a claim you back up your claim
Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001
RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 ,
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when you flex, ofcourse it's gonna go away, it's why it's called "LOOSE SKIN"
it's not so loose once you're contracting your entire back ;)
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
At the 1994 Olympia Kevin soft in pre-judging ;) yet we can't find any quotes of Dorian and his loose skin lol
next
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yet we can't find any quotes of Dorian and his loose skin lol
why do you need quotes when we have tons of real pics from the contest? ??? ::)
what the fuck? ::)
dorian trained his loose skin very well in 1994.
here he is posing it for all to see:
ND why are you pretending that this skin isn't there, when everyone is showing you that is was?
answer please
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With all due respect, Hulk, where's Dorian's loose skin in that shot? ??? He looks very tight to me, even when he is "off."
P.S. ... can't y'all bury this Dorian/Ronnie thing? They were both truly GREAT! My dad, brothers and I saw both win Olympias, and there's no question Dorian and Ronnie are both incredible bodybuilders, more than worthy of the titles I saw them win.
The arguments to the contrary have, to be honest, been very lame. Posting bad shots of either man proves nothing. Appealing to popularity means nothing. All that matters is how well Dorian and Ronnie stacked up against the opposition in the relaxed and compulsory rounds. (On that note, for what it's worth, I thought Ronnie soundly beat Jay in 2001. Jay was harder but Ronnie was better in too many poses to lose.)
You don't have to concede that Ronnie's best is inferior to Dorian's or whatever, but it'd sure be nice if the constant back-and-forth would stop. It's gotten REALLY old and is anything but objective. Someone shooting you straight will tell you Yates and Coleman were both all but untouchable, and who'd win between them is definitely not as simple as posting pictures of one man with his gut hanging out opposite the other hitting his best pose.
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Someone shooting you straight will tell you Yates and Coleman were both all but untouchable, and who'd win between them is definitely not as simple as posting pictures of one man with his gut hanging out opposite the other hitting his best pose.
Not really. Yates was given several Olympia gifts, didn't live up to the purported "greatness" much of the time but won thanx to politics. If you chose blindness to this fine, but it's very true-he didn't deserve many of the "wins" against more deserving peers aside from Coleman dominating him in pics, as proven reguarly. Schwarzenegger said same, that Yates wasn't what BB should be about, a significant criticism, not a minor one-was he also biased? I think not.
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its right above his tights..
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Not really. Yates was given several Olympia gifts, didn't live up to the purported "greatness" much of the time but won thanx to politics. If you chose blindness to this fine, but it's very true-he didn't deserve many of the "wins" against more deserving peers aside from Coleman dominating him in pics, as proven reguarly. Schwarzenegger said same, that Yates wasn't what BB should be about, a significant criticism, not a minor one-was he also biased? I think not.
Translation: I wasn't there, have no clue what I'm talking about, and am pulling shit out of my ass to support my hero.
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_01.jpg)
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Translation: I wasn't there, have no clue what I'm talking about, and am pulling shit out of my ass to support my hero.
Translation: I'm a pasty white guy with bad teeth from the UK who relates to the barrel.
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Translation: I'm a pasty white guy with bad teeth from the UK who relates to the barrel.
Prove it, bitch.
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Prove it, bitch.
Pasty UK skinhead meltdown.
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why do you need quotes when we have tons of real pics from the contest? ??? ::)
what the fuck? ::)
dorian trained his loose skin very well in 1994.
here he is posing it for all to see:
ND why are you pretending that this skin isn't there, when everyone is showing you that is was?
answer please
stop pretending to speak for ' everyone ' it's you and a couple of other ignorant idiots who don't know what you're talking about
and YOU need quotes to back up your bull shit claim , if the ' loose skin ' was there as often as you claim SOME ONE surely would have commented on it , it's asinine its such nonsense
a crease is in back is loose hanging skin LMFAO yet it's not loose anymore in another pose ::) loose hanging skin would mean he's holding water and or fat this would obscure detail in this pose ANY loose skin and fat would be even more evident and there is NONE except razor sharp detail and definition
where did this water and or fat go to? did it run away ? how does fat & water disappear from one pose to the next? it can't you're an idiot
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Pumpy with nothing as usual hahahahaha
(http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/Bush%20confused%2021_a.jpg)
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With all due respect, Hulk, where's Dorian's loose skin in that shot? ??? He looks very tight to me, even when he is "off."
P.S. ... can't y'all bury this Dorian/Ronnie thing? They were both truly GREAT! My dad, brothers and I saw both win Olympias, and there's no question Dorian and Ronnie are both incredible bodybuilders, more than worthy of the titles I saw them win.
The arguments to the contrary have, to be honest, been very lame. Posting bad shots of either man proves nothing. Appealing to popularity means nothing. All that matters is how well Dorian and Ronnie stacked up against the opposition in the relaxed and compulsory rounds. (On that note, for what it's worth, I thought Ronnie soundly beat Jay in 2001. Jay was harder but Ronnie was better in too many poses to lose.)
You don't have to concede that Ronnie's best is inferior to Dorian's or whatever, but it'd sure be nice if the constant back-and-forth would stop. It's gotten REALLY old and is anything but objective. Someone shooting you straight will tell you Yates and Coleman were both all but untouchable, and who'd win between them is definitely not as simple as posting pictures of one man with his gut hanging out opposite the other hitting his best pose.
There is NO loose skin the kid is an idiot period.
I've let this topic go I called for a truce I was being respectful of the other members and it's been about a year since I posted in the Truce Thread , so these guys couldn't handle me being confident in leaving my opinion to stand on it's own two feet they are now reduced to chasing me around from thread to thread , spamming every Yates thread and trolling their stupidity
you're right though it is getting old correcting them constantly
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Why diet? all you have to do is pull your arms back and loose skin disappears LMFAO these kids are morons
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Not really. Yates was given several Olympia gifts, didn't live up to the purported "greatness" much of the time but won thanx to politics. If you chose blindness to this fine, but it's very true-he didn't deserve many of the "wins" against more deserving peers aside from Coleman dominating him in pics, as proven reguarly. Schwarzenegger said same, that Yates wasn't what BB should be about, a significant criticism, not a minor one-was he also biased? I think not.
White guy wins it's politics , black guy wins fair & square lol epic racism Ronnie wasn't gifted ANY Olympias just the white guy ::)
Schwarzenegger didn't say he wasn't what a BB should be that's a LIE on your behalf
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Not really. Yates was given several Olympia gifts, didn't live up to the purported "greatness" much of the time but won thanx to politics. If you chose blindness to this fine, but it's very true-he didn't deserve many of the "wins" against more deserving peers aside from Coleman dominating him in pics, as proven reguarly. Schwarzenegger said same, that Yates wasn't what BB should be about, a significant criticism, not a minor one-was he also biased? I think not.
I don't honestly see that Yates OR Ronnie ever won to politics. MAYBE once for each man, but that's it.
1992: I guess someone could say Kevin should've won, but have you seen his back that year? He lost a LOT of size from even the Jr. Nationals. He was shredded but Dorian was in even better shape. I don't think this one's debatable. If someone disagrees, please say so and why.
1993: ? Does anyone debate this at all? Flex was in great shape, but how many poses did he win, including the relaxed round? One? Maybe two?
1994: Yates had the color of a glazed doughnut and was definitely off his usual standard. I saw this contest in-person in Atlanta with my dad and brothers. I always thought Shawn Ray was a bit of a J. Alfred Prufrock type, but I wanted him to win this one :D
But as good as Levrone and Ray were, they still did not win enough mandatories or relaxes poses to take Dorian. But Shawn was VERY good that year ... he was so cut it was scary. The only thing is, his relative lack of width hurt him. And it didn't help that, even when Dorian was not at his best, he was still very-well conditioned. (I've seen the pictures y'all pull out. I told you his coloring was horrid, but I'm also telling you he had very, very low bodyfat. Do not other pictures from the show bear that out?)
In any case, I could see this as Dorian's Waterloo/political win. MAYBE. It's just too bad that doesn't hold up to reason ... Shawn looked sooooo good, but he just didn't have the goods to whip Dorian in most of those key poses.
1995: ? Does anyone really debate this?
1996: I love Shawn Ray's physique. But his best chance was in 1994, when he was much more cut-up. I think Nasser was actually the strongest challenger but, aside from the fact he failed the drug test, he won three poses and lost all the rest, just as he did a year later.
1997: Again, Nasser was easily the strongest opposition. I would give him front relaxed, front double-biceps, most-muscular and maybe ab-thigh. Nasser had great abs and crazy big legs if not the most separated thighs.
Contrarily, Dorian won side relaxed, side triceps, front lat spread (Nasser was close, though; Dorian was too heavy and his obliques nearly threw off his usual dominance in that pose), side chest and the back poses, not to mention side and back relaxed.
2000: Lots of people say Levrone should have won that year, but Ronnie was more cut, more complete and a lot bigger. Just because Ronnie smoothed out some from 1999 is no reason he shouldn't have won :-\ No contest.
2001: Cutler was harder than Ronnie, but I think Ronnie schooled him on most of the mandatories and relaxed poses.
The judges saw it differently at first, but they did realize Ronnie's superiority by the end. Maybe THIS was a political thing, but I really think the best man won in the end.
2002: Ronnie lost way too much weight, but Kevin's legs were almost totally gone by this point and his back was still no match for Ronnie's. Cormier was too smooth to threaten either, though I do think he should've been second by virtue of the fact he had legs and Kevin didn't. I might've placed Gunter higher but Ronnie was still in OK if not great form. Even with smallish arms for him, he still had the front and rear lat spreads, rear double-biceps, side-chest and most-muscular poses locked.
For that matter, I probably would've awarded Ronnie first in 2006. Jay was better from the back, but Ronnie was better from the front and sides. (What I don't get is when people say Ronnie should've lost to Jay sooner, like in 2004? ???)
As far as Arnold's opinion of Yates goes, I don't know what he said so I can't comment ;) My point was simple: because a majority believes something's rule does not, in fact, mean that it must be. Don't a majority of Americans believe in angels? *laughs ;) *
By the way, Pumpster, I'm not blind to anything. I'm just saying that Dorian and Ronnie were totally amazing to behold in their primes, and I get a little tired of people making fun of either of them. The fact is, they were both truly AMAZING to see firsthand, and both were far better than their detractors give them credit for.
I'm a huge fan of Ronnie AND Dorian! :)
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yates' worse was in 94 and was far better than ronnie's worst in which he got a gift 4th place.
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(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_01.jpg)
the nuthuggers claim Dorian's lower attaching lats are an advantage? The difference is only like 1/2 cm.
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Pithy
Learn to spell, you black supremacist ::)
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ND, so let me get this straight:
even though there are a million photos showing dorian's loose skin on his lower back in dozens of poses across all contest years, you are claiming that it did not actually exist simply because you can't find a magazine quote that specifically comments on it?
is this actually what you are claiming?
??? ::)
eg. are you claiming that the loose skin shown here in the ciricle is an optical illusion or something? ::)
please answer this for us all.
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Learn to spell, you black supremacist ::)
Meltdown lol that's how it's spelled you idiot. Maybe you spell it differently using your ebonics dictionary bwahaha
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Arnold was saying Dorian wasn't a good enough spokeperson.
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Arnold was spiteful at how Good Dorian was
a legend, but a jealous legend....
that's the bottom line
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(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_01.jpg)
the nuthuggers claim Dorian's lower attaching lats are an advantage? The difference is only like 1/2 cm.
lmfao more ignorance from Neo what you neglected to take into account was the length of each guys torso , Ronnie has a short torso and Dorian a longer one , so while Ronnie's lats may appear to attach low into HIS torso , his torso is short
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ND, so let me get this straight:
even though there are a million photos showing dorian's loose skin on his lower back in dozens of poses across all contest years, you are claiming that it did not actually exist simply because you can't find a magazine quote that specifically comments on it?
is this actually what you are claiming?
??? ::)
eg. are you claiming that the loose skin shown here in the ciricle is an optical illusion or something? ::)
please answer this for us all.
Hey dummy are the lines on Dorian's triceps loose hanging skin as well? LMFAO you idiot
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yates' worse was in 94 and was far better than ronnie's worst in which he got a gift 4th place.
Epic IFBB ball-washing reverence for their often-arbitrary scoring and judging.
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Arnold was spiteful at how Good Dorian was
a legend, but a jealous legend....
that's the bottom line
No kidding. It won't ever be acknowledged on most BB sites but the truth is Arnold is a major twit at times.
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Hey dummy are the lines on Dorian's triceps loose hanging skin as well? LMFAO you idiot
you avoided the question like you always do... ::)
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ronnie has the advantage in a "who has a bigger gut" comparison
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_01.jpg)
the nuthuggers claim Dorian's lower attaching lats are an advantage? The difference is only like 1/2 cm.
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Hey dummy are the lines on Dorian's triceps loose hanging skin as well? LMFAO you idiot
if it's not loose skin, then what is it? ???
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ronnie has the advantage in a "who has a bigger gut" comparison
nah ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-FatCow8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYatesFatBelly3.jpg)
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Hey dummy are the lines on Dorian's triceps loose hanging skin as well?
Tris are too tiny to see well.
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LOL
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if it's not loose skin, then what is it? ???
it's called "not pulling your "posing thong" up your ass like Ronnie"
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
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MUCH better triceps and forearms than Ronnie.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/45641-3/1995-mr-olympia-bw-41.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=b5ce2313e926de14e67b2777c6292237)
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dorian taught Jay how to train loose skin folds LOL
but this brings up the question:
does ND pretend Jay's loose skin doesn't exist either? ::)
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Funny Huckster doesn't mention Ronnie's bitch tits. lol
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Funny Huckster doesn't mention Ronnie's bitch tits. lol
what bitch tits? 8):
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if it's not loose skin, then what is it? ???
is there loose skin on his triceps?
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it's called "not pulling your "posing thong" up your ass like Ronnie"
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
Ronnie has loose hanging skin on the back of his neck lol and his lower back
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is there loose skin on his triceps?
Hard to see, tris are even tinier than yours LOL
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is there loose skin on his triceps?
yes, now answer the question about both Jay and Dorian:
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yes, now answer the question about both Jay and Dorian:
LMFAO Yes thanks for committing to that
you're beyond being taken seriously now , I'll laugh at your ignorance from on high
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LMFAO Yes thanks for committing to that
you're beyond being taken seriously now , I'll laugh at your ignorance from on high
so are you going to answer the question or run like the pussy that you are?
fucking coward
you always run ND.
you ran from the truce thread.
you run from being confronted with questions that force you to admit the truth.
fucking coward.
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so are you going to answer the question or run like the pussy that you are?
fucking coward
you always run ND.
you ran from the truce thread.
you run from being confronted with questions that force you to admit the truth.
fucking coward.
meltdown
I never ran from you I don't need to I crushed everything you ever typed , I didn't run when you typed Flex beat Dorian in 93 , I didn't run when you claimed Ronnie had better calves than Dorian , I didn't run when you did ( and still do ) post photoshopped screencaps , I don't run hence why the Truce Thread is 1600+ pages , more blatant lies from you
I own you and every ignorant thing you ever typed
you posted an offseaon pic of Cutler and claim he's like the hardest driest guy who's ever competed , YOU are beyond taken seriously you're an idiot
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what bitch tits? 8):
Don't play stupid Huckster, it is well known that Ronnie had gyno. You are a hypocrite and owned once again. Those glasses on the smiley attached to your message must be rose coloured.
GOT MILK?
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Don't play stupid Huckster, it is well known that Ronnie had gyno. You are a hypocrite and owned once again. Those glasses on the smiley attached to your message must be rose coloured.
GOT MILK?
owned
that was easy lol
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owned
that was easy lol
Definitely an ownage. But there are pictures posted previously that showed Ronnie's gynecomastia, so I don't know how Hulkster expected to win this particular battle by claiming that Ronnie lacked man tits in 98'. ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Definitely an ownage. But there are pictures posted previously that showed Ronnie's gynecomastia, so I don't know how Hulkster expected to win this particular battle by claiming that Ronnie lacked man tits in 98'. ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I think he meant he had none in 99 but looks like gyno to me ???
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MUCH better triceps and forearms than Ronnie.
yeah, okay buddy. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-SymmetryRound3.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/1993MrOlympia-SymmetryRound2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman43.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman35.jpg)
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yeah, okay buddy. ::)
Ronnie's triceps bigger? in 03 absolutely better? NO. forearms no contest sorry that's not up for discussion
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Ronnie's triceps bigger? in 03 absolutely better? NO. forearms no contest sorry that's not up for discussion
better triceps? Yes. Last time I checked, the triceps were comprised of 3 separate heads. Ronnie's have better size and definition overall. ;)
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better triceps? Yes. Last time I checked, the triceps were comprised of 3 separate heads. Ronnie's have better size and definition overall. ;)
Nope sorry NOT better not better shape nor better separation not better definition
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:o
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Nope sorry NOT better not better shape nor better separation not better definition
Ronnie's triceps are better from every angle. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman45.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie125b.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie123a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
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Ronnie's triceps are better from every angle. ;)
And 2003 is his prime too lol next
Dorian's triceps & forearms are better than Ronnie
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Better triceps better forearms
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And 2003 is his prime too lol next
Dorian's triceps & forearms are better than Ronnie
when you can't win an argument through visual evidence, avoidance is the only option left. Next. ;)
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when you can't win an argument through visual evidence, avoidance is the only option left. Next. ;)
What did I avoid? I provided pics showing Dorian's triceps while not as big showing better separation , definition and proportion in relation to the rest of his arms , you post a few pictures make blanket statements and hope for the best
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LOL ND is on damage control.
the shots neo posted show Ronnie having better triceps than dorian ever did - bigger, and striated to boot, much like pretty much every other bodypart and every madatory pose, with the exception of the ab and thigh.
its game over for the nuthuggers..
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ronnie's arms are better than dorian's in every concievable way, from wrist to deltoid:
thankfully, its only one or two morons on this board that believe any different, the rest of the world knows how the sport works..
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LOL ND is on damage control.
the shots neo posted show Ronnie having better triceps than dorian ever did - bigger, and striated to boot, much like pretty much every other bodypart and every madatory pose, with the exception of the ab and thigh.
its game over for the nuthuggers..
Quote the contrary ever since the Yates interview you guys have been on the offensive and melting down every thread it's old news nothing new , when the 95 Olympia video was posted it happened then , when the 93 pre-contest video was posted it happened it goes in cycles
Dorian confirmed a LOT of what I said after the fact I might add to boot lol confirms I always knew what the fuck I was talking about and you idiots didn't
Dorian beats Ronnie in ANY mandatory at is best and why? all rounds are physique rounds
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ronnie's arms are better than dorian's in every concievable way, from wrist to deltoid:
ha ha ha ha blanket statement meltdown
every concievable way ::) Dorian's forearms have better shape , insert near the wrist , and are in proportion with his biceps/triceps , Dorian's triceps show better separation and has striations and his side head is better shaped as well
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ND, how do Dorian's triceps measure up to this man's? ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo79.jpg)
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ND, how do Dorian's triceps measure up to this man's? ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo79.jpg)
The more important question is how does his side triceps measure up? Kevin has better triceps than both more massive , more classic horseshoe
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everybody will lose, Kevin had the greatest triceps ever, period.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo235.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo211.jpg)
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Dorian beats Ronnie in ANY mandatory at is best and why? all rounds are physique rounds
please exlain lol
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dorian gets killed in all mandatories, with the possible exception of the ab and thigh:
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ouch
its game over for dorian
look at the incredible thickness of ronnie's back (esp the lower back area) compared to dorian's paper thin back, not to mention the incredible arms of ronnie, compared to dorian's horrible excuse for arms:
dorian has better calves as always, but as always again, better calves don't mean much when the rest of your body is not nearly as good:
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ouch
its game over for dorian
look at the incredible thickness of ronnie's back (esp the lower back area) compared to dorian's paper thin back, not to mention the incredible arms of ronnie, compared to dorian's horrible excuse for arms:
dorian has better calves as always, but as always again, better calves don't mean much when the rest of your body is not nearly as good:
All rounds are physique rounds , how can Ronnie have a better back double biceps shot when he's NOT carrying as much muscular bulk ? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he doesn't have any advantage in balance & proportion? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he's not harder and drier ? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he's not as complete?
please answer the questions lol
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how can Ronnie have a better back double biceps shot when he's NOT carrying as much muscular bulk ? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he doesn't have any advantage in balance & proportion? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he's not harder and drier ? how can he have a better back double biceps shot when he's not as complete?
sad that you think that the answer to all those questions is NO..
its not.
Ronnie IS carrying as much muscular bulk - dorian's midsection alone makes up for the weight differential of only 7 pounds or so...
he IS better balanced and proportioned - arms not way undersized, better taper, smaller waist etc.
dorian displays more detail in the upper traps - but no where else - notice dorian's soft glutes and hams too
ronnie is just as hard and dry (at least in 98/99 and the AC)
and he is just as complete - he has no calves, but dorian has shit arms, shit quads shit delts etc. in comparsion.. so you certainly CANNOT say dorian was more complete than ronnie. he sure as hell wasnt.
so, what were the answer to those questions again?
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(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_01.jpg)
the nuthuggers claim Dorian's lower attaching lats are an advantage? The difference is only like 1/2 cm.
First of all, the diference is not half a centimeter. How do you know this? Did you measure the lat lengh of both? Secondly, even if it were, it still wouldn't mean shit. The bones of Nasser are probably no more than a few milimeters wider in diameter than those of Flex, and this is enough to cause a dramatic difference in how the muscles lokin terms of fullnes, with Wheeler's muscles looking much fuller and rounder. Bodybuilding is about illusion, you cretin. Whatever the differenc in lat lengh between Dorian and Ronnie is, it is clearly vsible by the eyes and makes a difference in how the back of them looks. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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sad that you think that the answer to all those questions is NO..
its not.
Ronnie IS carrying as much muscular bulk - dorian's midsection alone makes up for the weight differential of only 7 pounds or so...
he IS better balanced and proportioned - arms not way undersized, better taper, smaller waist etc.
dorian displays more detail in the upper traps - but no where else - notice dorian's soft glutes and hams too
ronnie is just as hard and dry (at least in 98/99 and the AC)
and he is just as complete - he has no calves, but dorian has shit arms, shit quads shit delts etc. in comparsion..
so, what were the answer to those questions again?
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sad that you think that the answer to all those questions is NO..
its not.
It's sad because YOU don't know how contests are judged
Ronnie IS carrying as much muscular bulk - dorian's midsection alone makes up for the weight differential of only 7 pounds or so...
WRONG Dorian is 269 pounds I hate to break it to you sport 269 pounds is more muscular bulk than 247 pounds in 2001 and 257 pounds in 1999 and Dorian's midsection shits all over Ronnie's and his narrow waist piss-poor abs and mediocre intercostals/serattus/external obliques
he IS better balanced and proportioned - arms not way undersized, better taper, smaller waist etc.
more blanket statements and cherry picking , Dorian's ARMS arms pay attention you moron ARMS biceps/triceps and forearms have better proportion and balance than Ronnies , you also neglected torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , leg length , upper & lower balance , stop cherry picking parts of the criteria that YOU think he has the advantage in ignore the rest and make a childish blanket statement , Dorian AT HIS BEST has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , proof in the pics and the fact Dorian said as much and he would know seeing he's an IFBB judge ;)
dorian displays more detail in the upper traps - but no where else - notice dorian's soft glutes and hams too
Dorian displays more detail in his ENTIRE back than Ronnie this includes , lats , teres infraspinatus , lats and spinal etectors this is a proven fact , Dorian has striated glutes ( more ignorance from you ) and hams LMFAO Dorian's are actually in proportion to his quads and Ronnie's aren't ( see any side shot ) and Dorian's hams lack NOTHING they show clear separation of both heads
ronnie is just as hard and dry (at least in 98/99 and the AC)
Ronnie has NEVER as hard and dry as Dorian , another ignorant LIE from you , he wasn't even as hard and as dry as he was in 1999 compared to 1998 another LIE you've been corrected on yet continue to type , so wrong again
and he is just as complete - he has no calves, but dorian has shit arms, shit quads shit delts etc. in comparsion..
how can be one be just as complete and yet have no calves? oxymoron , and spare me the blanket statements you can't back ANY of your claims just make them
so, what were the answer to those questions again?
NO and why? all rounds are physique rounds
Dorian carries more muscular bulk
Dorian has better density & dryness
Dorian has better balance & proportion
Dorian is more complete
Dorian has better posing & presentation
class dismissed , Hulkster and his ignorant cherry picking blanket statement ass is corrected yet again thanks for playing
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WRONG Dorian is 269 pounds I hate to break it to you sport 269 pounds is more muscular bulk than 247 pounds
Hello?
ronnie was 250 pounds in 98 and 257 pounds in 99
dorian's best ever shape was 257 in 93.
so where are you getting this 269-247 BULLSHIT from?
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Ronnie has NEVER as hard and dry as Dorian , another ignorant LIE from you , he wasn't even as hard and as dry as he was in 1999 compared to 1998 another LIE you've been corrected on yet continue to type , so wrong again
too bad real life owns your ass as always:
what was that bullshit about ronnie not being as hard or dry again? ::)
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Hello?
ronnie was 250 pounds in 98 and 257 pounds in 99
dorian's best ever shape was 257 in 93.
so where are you getting this 269-247 BULLSHIT from?
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Dorian's best ever shape was pre-contest at 269 pounds
Dorian's best contest showing is 1993/1995 and ALL are harder & drier than Ronnie this is NOT up for debate
257 pounds isn't the same as Dorian's 257 bone dry hard as nails 257 pounds
1999 is NOT in Dorian's league in conditioning , neither is 2001/1998/2003 any year
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1999 is NOT in Dorian's league in conditioning , neither is 2001/1998/2003 any year
then explain this please LOL
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too bad real life owns your ass as always:
what was that bullshit about ronnie not being as hard or dry again? ::)
to bad REAL LIFE owns your ass as always :
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Dorian said he has better conditioning than Ronnie ;) Dorian's conditioning is legendary Ronnie's isn't and your PHOTOSHOPPED pics can't save your dumb ass from FACTS the facts are Dorian is better conditioned based on first hand live in person eyewitness accounts
Hulkster = owned
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Dorian's best ever shape was pre-contest at 269 pounds
then why the fuck is he being KILLED in the conditioning department (along with all other criteria) by Ronnie:
oh thats right - dorian didn't come close.
please keeping typing ND - you are making it so easy to completely own your ignorant ass:
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notice: whenever real life visuals crush ND's bullshit, he starts quoting again...
you know you have lost in a visual sport when the visuals can't even corroborate what you are trying to argue... :-\
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then explain this please LOL
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You'd have to know what conditioning is ;) YOU don't then you'd have to combine that with the fact that YOU can't ascertain Dorian's conditioning from photos ;) then you'd have to know that Ronnie and a slew of others ALL say he was harder & drier in 98 than 99 and then you'd have to see this quote and do what you always do ...cry
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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dorian's best ever being crushed by ronnie's not even onstage shape
I love this!
please keep going ND
please
you are embarassing yourself over and over again and its great
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notice: whenever real life visuals crush ND's bullshit, he starts quoting again...
you know you have lost in a visual sport when the visuals can't even corroborate what you are trying to argue... :-\
pictures mean ZERO compared to being there , you know it's pathetic when you were NEVER in attendance of any of the contests in question , a complete idiot when it comes to know what great conditioning is and isn't and then have the balls to type that the people who were there are all wrong lol
there is a very good reason Kevin Horton called you a retard
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dorian's best ever being crushed by ronnie's not even onstage shape
I love this!
please keep going ND
please
you are embarassing yourself over and over again and its great
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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LOL so you are basing everything on the quote of a good friend of dorian's - a quote thoroughly disproven by everything in existance.
like others have told you
Peter McGough - "great source" LOL
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everyone else can see how wrong Peter was and how he was certain, well, not a great source at all.
why can't you?
oh yeah, its because without his quote, you have absolutely NOTHING
no visuals.
no quotes.
nothing.
hahahahahahahaha
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On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian
like I said, disproven by everything in existance:
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there is a very good reason Kevin Horton called you a retard
Maybe his close relationship to Dorian had something to do with that? Horton is a good chap, but not someone I'm going to take as a credible source on Dorian due to his obvious bias.
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Maybe his close relationship to Dorian had something to do with that? Horton is a good chap, but not someone I'm going to take as a credible source on Dorian due to his obvious bias.
well said!
its too bad ND is too stupid not to see this and blindly believe what he reads in the face of real life like this:
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Horton called the 99 screencaps 'fake' for the very same reason the rest of the guy do:
dorian could not even approach THIS:
so all they can do is say they are faked.. ::)
of course, all it takes is a quick glance at the video to see that they are as real as you can get..
BUT of course, thats too difficult for the dorian nuthuggers, so they continue to turn a blind eye to real life and maintain these are faked..
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Maybe his close relationship to Dorian had something to do with that? Horton is a good chap, but not someone I'm going to take as a credible source on Dorian due to his obvious bias.
I have a feeling he shares the same interest with uncle joe and ND re: the keg's sausage. :-*
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Maybe his close relationship to Dorian had something to do with that? Horton is a good chap, but not someone I'm going to take as a credible source on Dorian due to his obvious bias.
He's not credible because he busted Hulkster for using photoshopped screencaps? he's a professional photographer he would know if they've been enhanced
and he's a credible source because he's seen both at their best and worst he's an eyewitness to bodybuilding history and when Hulkster says he is wrong and or any other person who is seen them live and in person wrong he's beyond retarded
he claimed the same about Steve Wineberger not being a credible source , Steve judged Dorian once in a pro contest and marked him second to Momo , people can be objective something he obviously can't.
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Horton called the 99 screencaps 'fake' for the very same reason the rest of the guy do:
dorian could not even approach THIS:
so all they can do is say they are faked.. ::)
of course, all it takes is a quick glance at the video to see that they are as real as you can get..
BUT of course, thats too difficult for the dorian nuthuggers, so they continue to turn a blind eye to real life and maintain these are faked..
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No they are photoshopped PERIOD the guy who did it admitted it , Kevin Horton looked at the sceencaps and said wow those have been tampered with , he's a professional contest photographer with years and years of experience when he says something is wrong , something is wrong
this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates it has to do with your buddies screencaps NOT matching reality and the ones posted by forcedreps your busted , and it just wasn't him who busted you it was a GetBigger who is a professional graphic artist lol you're fucked and BUSTED
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
here are the videos for your viewing pleasure. :D
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
here are the videos for your viewing pleasure. :D
From the exact same guy who PHOTOSHOPPED Hulkster's screencaps LMFAO brutal backfire
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From the exact same guy who PHOTOSHOPPED Hulkster's screencaps LMFAO brutal backfire
brutal excuses! just brutal ! either photoshop, or lighting is better ::)
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British Grand Prix 99
what is your excuse now ;)
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brutal excuses! just brutal ! either photoshop, or lighting is better ::)
Not an excuse a FACT in fact not one but TWO professionals said outright those screencaps have been tampered with you have proof contradicting their claims feel free to provide it ;)
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British Grand Prix 99
what is your excuse now ;)
I don't need any excuse again he looks great because he's in great shape and the lighting is very complimentary great combo
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First of all, the diference is not half a centimeter. How do you know this? Did you measure the lat lengh of both? Secondly, even if it were, it still wouldn't mean shit. The bones of Nasser are probably no more than a few milimeters wider in diameter than those of Flex, and this is enough to cause a dramatic difference in how the muscles lokin terms of fullnes, with Wheeler's muscles looking much fuller and rounder. Bodybuilding is about illusion, you cretin. Whatever the differenc in lat lengh between Dorian and Ronnie is, it is clearly vsible by the eyes and makes a difference in how the back of them looks. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SemenHole getting owned.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I don't need any excuse again he looks great because he's in great shape and the lighting is very complimentary great combo
brutal excuses! just brutal ! either photoshop, or lighting is better ::)
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT, it was the greatest lighting EVER, I will give you that >:(
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
here are the videos for your viewing pleasure. :D
watch them ND and take note that ronnie's physique looks exactly the same as it does in the screencaps made by Bizzy, Forcedreps (although his second set was of much better quality) or anyone.
you are becoming the laughing stock of getbig with this shit
as MemberX is fast finding out, you just move from one excuse to the other in your effort to deny what Ronnie was in 1999:
much better than dorian ever was or could ever hope to be:
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watch them ND and take note that ronnie's physique looks exactly the same as it does in the screencaps made by Bizzy, Forcedreps (although his second set was of much better quality) or anyone.
you are becoming the laughing stock of getbig with this shit
as MemberX is fast finding out, you just move from one excuse to the other in your effort to deny what Ronnie was in 1999:
much better than dorian ever was or could ever hope to be:
You idiot IT IS FROM BIZZY
LMFAO brutal self-ownage and guess what they look NOTHING like forcedreps screencaps which is exactly HOW Kevin Horton came to the conclusion they were enhanced ;)
you posted Bizzy's youtube video as proof that his screencaps are legit LMMFAO that's an instant classic
Bizzy's ontop ( photoshopped )
forcedreps on the bottom ( not photoshopped )
NEXT
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You idiot IT IS FROM BIZZY
LMFAO brutal self-ownage and guess what they look NOTHING like forcedreps screencaps which is exactly HOW Kevin Horton came to the conclusion they were enhanced ;)
you posted Bizzy's youtube video as proof that his screencaps are legit LMMFAO that's an instant classic
Bizzy's ontop ( photoshopped )
forcedreps on the bottom ( not photoshopped )
NEXT
so your excuse is that the color is different? ???
it's the exact same body!
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so your excuse is that the color is different? ???
it's the exact same body!
among other things , sharpening tool
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Not an excuse a FACT in fact not one but TWO professionals said outright those screencaps have been tampered with you have proof contradicting their claims feel free to provide it ;)
both of which are good friends with Yates LOL
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if the screencaps were 'tampered with' then why does ronnie's phyisque look exactly the same as it does in all the videos?
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both of which are good friends with Yates LOL
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if the screencaps were 'tampered with' then why does ronnie's phyisque look exactly the same as it does in all the videos?
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not only Ronnie but everyone else also ;D
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so your excuse is that the color is different? ???
it's the exact same body!
I know. pathetic, isn't it?
Bizzy, ForcedReps and Iceman all made screencaps and they ALL had slightly different colour.
ND can't get it through his head that slight colour differences are an artifact of different sources and different people making the screenshots.
ronnie's phyisque looks exactly the same in ALL of them...
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brutal excuses! just brutal ! either photoshop, or lighting is better
see how pathetic ND and his nuthuggers are? ::)
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both of which are good friends with Yates LOL
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if the screencaps were 'tampered with' then why does ronnie's phyisque look exactly the same as it does in all the videos?
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it doesn't matter what matters is ? you're BUSTED and FYI idiot BIZZY admitted to tampering with pics YOU HAVE NOTHING
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I know. pathetic, isn't it?
Bizzy, ForcedReps and Iceman all made screencaps and they ALL had slightly different colour.
ND can't get it through his head that slight colour differences are an artifact of different sources and different people making the screenshots.
ronnie's phyisque looks exactly the same in ALL of them...
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LMFAO slight ' colour ' changes my ass sharpening tool and adjusted brightness & contrast to make Ronnie appear better than he was PERIOD
and bizzy is iceman's gimmick
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why do you keep saying that Bizzy tampered with the screenshots?
you don't get it: he admited to adjusting OTHER shots (that he TOLD US HE WAS DOING) NOT THOSE ONES MORON!
and he has publicly stated that the screenshots I keep posting ARE NOT TAMPERED WITH AT ALL.
what do you not understand about this statement?
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you are just looking for any angle to form an excuse aren't you?
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it doesn't matter what matters is ? you're BUSTED and FYI idiot BIZZY admitted to tampering with pics YOU HAVE NOTHING
Ronnie was better than Dorian :o
get it through your head, I'm getting sick of even debating this.
It's a fact! facts shouldn't be debated.
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watch them ND and take note that ronnie's physique looks exactly the same as it does in the screencaps made by Bizzy, Forcedreps (although his second set was of much better quality) or anyone.
you are becoming the laughing stock of getbig with this shit
as MemberX is fast finding out, you just move from one excuse to the other in your effort to deny what Ronnie was in 1999:
much better than dorian ever was or could ever hope to be:
Ronnie 1999 did look good, but as has been mentioned before, his conditioning was better in 1998, even if he was a bit flatter, he was still sharper in 1998. Now if the Coleman brigade wants to hold 1999 up as the penultimate Coleman physique, so be it. However, there is still no question that even in his 1999 trim, his back had a film of water, that you absolutely will not find on 1995 Yates. Yates was dryer, no doubt. And as soon as Dorian begins to turn to the side, it's over for sure, as not even Ronnie can claim the kind of overall density as found on Yates. There may be those inclined to prefer Ronnie's "look" or "shape", but he never out conditions Dorian, no matter what the year. It's actually laughable once you watch the videos back to back. Dorian's back is razor sharp! Ronnie's, at least by comparison, is soft.
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why do you keep saying that Bizzy tampered with the screenshots?
you don't get it: he admited to adjusting OTHER shots (that he TOLD US HE WAS DOING) NOT THOSE ONES MORON!
and he has publicly stated that the screenshots I keep posting ARE NOT TAMPERED WITH AT ALL.
what do you not understand about this statement?
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you are just looking for any angle to form an excuse aren't you?
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again this has NOTHING to do with Dorian and what's he going to say? he was still doing it? a professional graphic artist first busted YOU and your screencaps noticing Bizzy was using the sharpening tool , and then Kevin Horton noticed a damn big difference between the two and BUSTED you again
it's not open for discussion ANYTHING Bizzy posts is suspect period. and NONE of what he posted matches the high quality VHS scans from forcedreps or the many pictures I scanned and Muscletime
Bizzy = fraud and you're his willing accomplice
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Ronnie was better than Dorian :o
get it through your head, I'm getting sick of even debating this.
It's a fact! facts shouldn't be debated.
You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts ;)
it's a FACT Ronnie feels he could never beat Dorian
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Ronnie 1999 did look good, but as has been mentioned before, his conditioning was better in 1998, even if he was a bit flatter, he was still sharper in 1998. Now if the Coleman brigade wants to hold 1999 up as the penultimate Coleman physique, so be it. However, there is still no question that even in his 1999 trim, his back had a film of water, that you absolutely will not find on 1995 Yates. Yates was dryer, no doubt. And as soon as Dorian begins to turn to the side, it's over for sure, as not even Ronnie can claim the kind of overall density as found on Yates. There may be those inclined to prefer Ronnie's "look" or "shape", but he never out conditions Dorian, no matter what the year. It's actually laughable once you watch the videos back to back. Dorian's back is razor sharp! Ronnie's, at least by comparison, is soft.
Right on the money
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:o ::)
HOW is Dorian more conditioned than Ronnie?
hahahaha
is this the monster conditioning you guys are talking about? ;D
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:o ::)
HOW is Dorian more conditioned than Ronnie?
hahahaha
is this the monster conditioning you guys are talking about? ;D
you think you would be able to ascertain one's conditioning via pictures? come on and I thought you were done debating this topic?
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you think you would be able to ascertain one's conditioning via pictures? come on and I thought you were done debating this topic?
so we can't see a person's conditioning with pictures? :D :D
I said I was sick of it, not done ;)
here is a conditioning you CAN see, if Yates had great conditioning we should be able to see it! :-*
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so we can't see a person's conditioning with pictures? :D :D
I said I was sick of it, not done ;)
here is a conditioning you CAN see, if Yates had great conditioning we should be able to see it! :-*
On a slab at the morgue. ::)
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so we can't see a person's conditioning with pictures? :D :D
I said I was sick of it, not done ;)
here is a conditioning you CAN see, if Yates had great conditioning we should be able to see it! :-*
Striations are GENETIC hence why no matter how dry and hard one becomes they can never look like Munzer and striations aren't always a accurate indicator of conditioning , one can have them and still be covered in a slight film of water
and we can see his conditioning but obviously it pales in comparison to actually being live and in person
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so we can't see a person's conditioning with pictures?
see the hole these idiots have dug themselves?
even they know that based on the pics and videos (ie what bodybuilding is based on) dorian is NOT better conditioned than ronnie.
ronnie at his best at least equalled dorian's level of conditioning.
thats quite obvious based on the pics and videos.
and these morons know that.
so what do they do? say that pics and vidoes mean nothing LOL ::)
they have an excuse to avoid everything visual in this sport, at least all the visuals that show ronnie's clear superiority over dorian.. LOL ::)
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Hulkster, Neo, Pumpster and MemberX all drink Ronnie's milkshake! lol
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its scary how much the video of Ronnie 99 at the prejudging obliterates the flat and flawed dorian 95 video..
dorian's upper back is ripped, but its so thin compared to Ronnie's thick and also detailed back..
dorian looks flat and unshapely compared to Ronnie, who was full, striated and thick in 99
and the missing arm is just awful. :-\
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Hulkster, Neo, Pumpster and MemberX drink Ronnie's milkshake! lol
Ronnie had a HUGE gyno on his left nipple in 1998
your point?
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see the hole these idiots have dug themselves?
even they know that based on the pics and videos (ie what bodybuilding is based on) dorian is NOT better conditioned than ronnie.
ronnie at his best at least equalled dorian's level of conditioning.
thats quite obvious based on the pics and videos.
bodybuilding is based on live comparisons compared to other people , contests are not judged via pictures or compressed video and I just showed you 4 examples of Dorian's superior conditioning
and I would be willing to say Ronnie only at his absolute best 1998/2001 could have equaled Yates in density & dryness however he couldn't maintain that condition at bodyweights like Dorian and he's still down other parts of the criteria so you're fucked either way
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Ronnie had a HUGE gyno on his left nipple in 1998
your point?
And aaaaaaallllllll the way up to 2003 according to this pic. And you drink it up! lol
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Striations are GENETIC hence why no matter how dry and hard one becomes they can never look like Munzer and striations aren't always a accurate indicator of conditioning , one can have them and still be covered in a slight film of water
so when Ronnie has an advantage in definition from the front, it's "genetic" but when Dorian has an advantage in definition from the back, it's the result of "better conditioning?" Riiiiiight. ::)
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its scary how much the video of Ronnie 99 at the prejudging obliterates the flat and flawed dorian 95 video..
dorian's upper back is ripped, but its so thin compared to Ronnie's thick and also detailed back..
dorian looks flat and unshapely compared to Ronnie, who was full, striated and thick in 99
and the missing arm is just awful. :-\
See when you type this nonsense I just shake my head and laugh lol flat and flawed lol
you can't get any credible source to say Ronnie's best showing is 1999 nevermind harder or drier than Dorian , you just keep saying it but can't prove it unlike me ;)
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Hulkster, Neo, Pumpster and MemberX all drink Ronnie's milkshake! lol
<<< ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
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so when Ronnie has an advantage in definition from the front, it's "genetic" but when Dorian has an advantage in definition from the back, it's the result of "better conditioning?" Riiiiiight. ::)
Definition doesn't mean striations , striations are a byproduct but one can be striated and be holding water , one can be defined and be holding water , Dorian is better conditioned because of his thin skin and his density and he could maintain this conditioning at much higher bodyweights this is what made him special among other things
striations are genetic for the most part one obviously have to be in good shape to have the visible but no matter how dry & hard one becomes they can never have as many as Munzer
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<<< ;)
That means I own you ;)
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Dorian is better conditioned because of his thin skin and his density and he could maintain this conditioning at much higher bodyweights this is what made him special among other things
not that high of a bodyweight:
:-\
at 269 pounds, a 260 or so pound Ronnie obliterates him in the conditioning department:
I mean look at this: Ronnie's skin looks almost stretched he is so hard, dry and full. looks like he is about to explode.
dorian, on the other hand, looks like marshmallow or dough...
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<<< ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
I guess you simply don't want to admit that my milkshake comment was in reference to your hero's gyno. And by the way, as ND has stated, when he used the phrase, it was in reference to his owning you. "You" made it out to be some sort of gay reference. Perhaps you would know better than ND or I, as we don't run in those circles.
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Definition doesn't mean striations , striations are a byproduct but one can be striated and be holding water , one can be defined and be holding water,
wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.
Dorian is better conditioned because of his thin skin and his density and he could maintain this conditioning at much higher bodyweights this is what made him special among other things
Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was. ;)
Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview
"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_training_insight.htm
striations are genetic for the most part one obviously have to be in good shape to have the visible but no matter how dry & hard one becomes they can never have as many as Munzer
Munzer was also the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time. So it makes sense that he had more separations and striations than everyone else. ;)
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
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not that high of a bodyweight:
:-\
at 269 pounds, a 260 or so pound Ronnie obliterates him in the conditioning department:
says YOU now the trick is to find someone who can confirm this for you ;)
and please Ronnie's conditioning in 99 suffered with just 8 pounds extra never mind Dorian ;)
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That means I own you ;)
On a side note, that clip is bloody hilarious! LMFAO
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lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?
no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.
but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL
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says YOU now the trick is to find someone who can confirm this for you
gee lets see
diamond hard striations, cuts vascularity vs puffy detailess mass..
hmmmm..which is better conditioned LOL
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you need to start believing in real life ND. it owns your ass.
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lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?
no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.
but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL
I'm sure Ronnie's gyno can spare a little milkshake for you, Huckster! lol
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lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?
tell me about it. What grown man says to another man he wants to drink his "milkshake?" :-\
then he accuses me of being gay. ::)
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wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.
Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was. ;)
Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview
"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_training_insight.htm
Munzer was also the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time.
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.
You missed the point definition doesn't mean striations , they are a byproduct of being dry and hard however when all is said and done they're genetic hence why no matter how hard and dry Ronnie became or Dorian NEITHER had striations like Munzer hence genetic
Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was. ;)
lmfao illusion of better conditioning? that's the fucking definition of better conditioning , thiness of skin and absence of intra-muscular fat
Neither Silvio or Munzer could maintain that level of conditioning at Dorian's bodyweights , many small bodybuilders are in great conditioning the trick is to combine that with muscular bulk
Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnie regardless of of fact Ronnie may have more striations
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lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?
no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.
but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL
Thanks for confirming your inability to counter any of my arguments by projecting your latent homosexual fantasies you're in good company with Neo , he thinks of other men like that often
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GUYS!
You're NOT making ANY progress!
you're going in circles, no wonder the truce thread was over 1600 pages.
After ALL THIS TIME, you have not come to a conclusion?
You guys are going around to the same shit, time and time again.
You say and deal with one topic then go right back to it, and post the same pics 100000 times.
We need a judge in this debate. :-\
there is no end to it, other wise.
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tell me about it. What grown man says to another man he wants to drink his "milkshake?" :-\
then he accuses me of being gay. ::)
I never said I want to drink your mikshake thats a LIE and now ontop of your latent homosexual tendencies you're reduced to lying lol the gay references go hand in hand with you appearntly lying to yourself lol
I own you hence I drink your milkshake
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your inability to counter any of my arguments
actually, the visuals that we have presented counter all of your arguments.
why do you think you have spent the last 38 pages doing your best to find an excuse as to why the visuals are either 'faked' (sic) or don't matter?
think about it.
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you are trying to find a way around them because they expose the bullshit that you post, and prove all your assertions to be completely and totally wrong.
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gee lets see
diamond hard striations, cuts vascularity vs puffy detailess mass..
hmmmm..which is better conditioned LOL
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you need to start believing in real life ND. it owns your ass.
Why is it all the people who saw Ronnie & Dorian compete in REAL LIFE say Dorian is better conditioned? yeah I thought so ;)
lmfao ' diamond hard striations ' how the fuck can lines he diamond hard? what a tool
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actually, the visuals that we have presented counter all of your arguments.
why do you think you have spent the last 38 pages doing your best to find an excuse as to why the visuals are either 'faked' (sic) or don't matter?
think about it.
::)
you are trying to find a way around them because they expose the bullshit that you post, and prove all your assertions to be completely and totally wrong.
NO you posting pictures and claiming the opposite of reality doesn't constitute a counter argument that's called denial , you say Ronnie is harder & drier than Dorian , I say he's not I back up my claim via an IFBB judge and Peter McGough , as well as a score of other people , your response is ? deny lol
back up your claim Ronnie is harder & drier in 1999 than Dorian was , stop typing it and back it up , seeing it's true you should have no problem lol I'll be waiting LMMFAO
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You missed the point definition doesn't mean striations
yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).
they are a byproduct of being dry and hard however when all is said and done they're genetic hence why no matter how hard and dry Ronnie became or Dorian NEITHER had striations like Munzer hence genetic
if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
lmfao illusion of better conditioning? that's the fucking definition of better conditioning , thiness of skin and absence of intra-muscular fat
nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.
Neither Silvio or Munzer could maintain that level of conditioning at Dorian's bodyweights , many small bodybuilders are in great conditioning the trick is to combine that with muscular bulk
so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha. ;)
Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnie regardless of of fact Ronnie may have more striations
wrong. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/RonnieStats.jpg)
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GUYS!
You're NOT making ANY progress!
you're going in circles, no wonder the truce thread was over 1600 pages.
After ALL THIS TIME, you have not come to a conclusion?
You guys are going around to the same shit, time and time again.
You say and deal with one topic then go right back to it, and post the same pics 100000 times.
We need a judge in this debate. :-\
there is no end to it, other wise.
I came to the conclusion this kid was an idiot hence why I started the truce thread , he refues and he got his ass kicked for 1600+ pages I proved my point and his own hero conceded he would never be able to beat Dorian on multiple occasions , I walked away from the truce thread , FURIOUS I owned them via their own hero , they are reduced to following ME around from thread to thread looking to equal the score
I am right , they are wrong and I defeated them hence they keep following me proving me right one post at a time.
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yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).
if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.
so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha. ;)
wrong. ;)
yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).
as usual you're missing the point definition isn't striations , striations are a by product , Ronnie has very defined rectus femoris YET unlike Munzer he has NO striations on them and I agree definition is part & parcel of conditioning however striations don't always mean great conditioning because they can be covered in a film of water
if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
if they are genetic ::) striations are genetic hence why no one else in history of bodybuilding has had the same amount of Munzer despite being just as hard and dry , striations are part training , part conditioning and for the most part genetic , I've never seen anyone with striated rectus femoris no matter how dry & hard they were i.e they were genetic
nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.
LMFAO among your dumbest statements you ever typed this isn't even worth a response
so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha. ;)
no I concede Munzer had more striations ;)
wrong. ;)
you're getting desperate again you're posting a question NOT a fact it was posed as a question , you always try and pass this off as something more than what it is . indicative of your stupidity
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as usual you're missing the point definition isn't striations , striations are a by product , Ronnie has very defined rectus femoris YET unlike Munzer he has NO striations on them and I agree definition is part & parcel of conditioning however striations don't always mean great conditioning because they can be covered in a film of water
you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations. ;)
if they are genetic striations are genetic hence why no one else in history of bodybuilding has had the same amount of Munzer despite being just as hard and dry , striations are part training , part conditioning and for the most part genetic , I've never seen anyone with striated rectus femoris no matter how dry & hard they were i.e they were genetic
"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian? ::)
by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
LMFAO among your dumbest statements you ever typed this isn't even worth a response
see above.
no I concede Munzer had more striations
so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, according to you, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.
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neosemen is my BITCH.
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you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations. ;)
"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian? ::)
by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
see above.
so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, by your own admission, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.
you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations. ;)
oh boy lol I'm NOT denying definition is correlated with conditioning , lmfao and when one drops more water the underlying striations don't multiple ANY striations already there will be more visible , it's like having strong abdominals that can't be seen because they're covered in a layer of fat they're there already you just can't see him , you can still see striations even if they have covered in a thin film of water
"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian? ::)
it doesn't disprove anything , Dorian is stating a fact that he naturally has thin skin therefore you dolt it doesn't take as much effort for him to loose any excess water and or fat LMFAO it doesn't disprove a damn thing lol your logic just confound the mind at times you're so desperate to try and prove me wrong you'll just say anything lol you're hands down the biggest idiot when it comes to this topic
and when 13 judges all say Ronnie would beat prime Dorian I'll concede I was wrong ;)
by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels. ;)
I don't have to ;)
so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, by your own admission, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.
again if you think speaking for me proves anything it doesn't , pay attention , striations have to have the right set of circumstances to be seen , great conditioning and training , again even with the two NOT everyone will have the same striations in the same places or the same amount , so in the end with equal conditioning the amount of striations are you guessed it GENETIC
and NO Munzer wasn't more conditioned than Yates , he just had more striations in his conditioned state ;)
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here is proof that striations are genetic and muscles can be defined and separated yet lack striations
Munzer's rectus femoris clearly defined and separated and striated
Ronnie Coleman showing his rectus femoris , full developed m clearly defined and separated yet NOT striations , this is Ronnie at his absloute best in terms of conditioning yet NO striations in this muscle and yet it's still developed , defined and separated
case closed striations are genetic
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oh boy lol I'm NOT denying definition is correlated with conditioning , lmfao and when one drops more water the underlying striations don't multiple ANY striations already there will be more visible , it's like having strong abdominals that can't be seen because they're covered in a layer of fat they're there already you just can't see him , you can still see striations even if they have covered in a thin film of water
so basically you are agreeing with me that striations are the result of conditioning, and more striations are the product of better conditioning. ;)
it doesn't disprove anything , Dorian is stating a fact that he naturally has thin skin therefore you dolt it doesn't take as much effort for him to loose any excess water and or fat LMFAO it doesn't disprove a damn thing lol your logic just confound the mind at times you're so desperate to try and prove me wrong you'll just say anything lol you're hands down the biggest idiot when it comes to this topic
yawn. ::)
Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview
"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."
I don't have to
yes, you do since you are proposing some mysterious, not yet discovered factor responsible for Dorian's lack of separations and striations compared to 01 ASC Ronnie. The only things covering muscle are the skin, subcutaneous fat, and fascia.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/Dermis1.jpg)
however, Dorian has very thin skin and supposedly no subcutaneous fat. This leaves the fascia which is only 1 mm thick - hardly enough thickness to noticeably obscure definition. So what anatomical factor is responsible for Dorian's lack of definition?
again if you think speaking for me proves anything it doesn't , pay attention , striations have to have the right set of circumstances to be seen , great conditioning and training , again even with the two NOT everyone will have the same striations in the same places or the same amount , so in the end with equal conditioning the amount of striations are you guessed it GENETIC
and NO Munzer wasn't more conditioned than Yates , he just had more striations in his conditioned state
see above.
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here is proof that striations are genetic and muscles can be defined and separated yet lack striations
Munzer's rectus femoris clearly defined and separated and striated
Ronnie Coleman showing his rectus femoris , full developed m clearly defined and separated yet NOT striations , this is Ronnie at his absloute best in terms of conditioning yet NO striations in this muscle and yet it's still developed , defined and separated
case closed striations are genetic
or option B - Andreas Munzer had better conditioning. ;)
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
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so basically you are agreeing with me that striations are the result of conditioning, and more striations are the product of better conditioning. ;)
yawn. ::)
Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview
"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."
yes, you do since you are proposing some mysterious, not yet discovered factor responsible for Dorian's lack of separations and striations compared to 01 ASC Ronnie. The only things covering muscle are the skin, subcutaneous fat, and fascia.
however, Dorian has very thin skin and supposedly no subcutaneous fat. This leaves the fascia which is only 1 mm thick - hardly enough thickness to noticeably obscure definition. So what anatomical factor is responsible for Dorian's lack of definition?
see above.
so basically you are agreeing with me that striations are the result of conditioning, and more striations are the product of better conditioning. ;)
to a point no matter how dry & hard people become the amount & place of the striations are GENETIC no matter how dry & hard one becomes they can't create striations that aren't there genetically
Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview
"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."
and ? why did Dorian diet for months on end? ;) according to your logic he didn't have to because he had naturally thin skin lol
yes, you do since you are proposing some mysterious, not yet discovered factor responsible for Dorian's lack of separations and striations compared to 01 ASC Ronnie. The only things covering muscle are the skin, subcutaneous fat, and fascia.
I already told you striations are for the most part GENETIC and what lack of separations are you referring to? you don't think separations are genetic too , but need to have great conditioning to show them off ?
however, Dorian has very thin skin and supposedly no subcutaneous fat. This leaves the fascia which is only 1 mm thick - hardly enough thickness to noticeably obscure definition. So what anatomical factor is responsible for Dorian's lack of definition?
what and where is he lacking in definition? and no matter how dry & hard Dorian would get his biceps would never be split like Ronnie ever wonder why? ;)
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or option B - Andreas Munzer had better conditioning. ;)
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
And yet Slivio doesn't have striated rectus femoris why? ;) in fact NO ONE does care to explain that one?
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to a point no matter how dry & hard people become the amount & place of the striations are GENETIC no matter how dry & hard one becomes they can't create striations that aren't there genetically
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(http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/captainobvious.jpg)
I didn't say a person creates more striations, you illiterate moron. I said they display more striations as conditioning improves. Some people are genetically predisposed to displaying striated pecs or triceps at higher body fat and water levels. However, they still lack striations in other parts such as quads and glutes. The closer a person gets to 0 body fat and water, the more striated they become.
and ? why did Dorian diet for months on end? according to your logic he didn't have to because he had naturally thin skin lol
wtf are you babbling about? Dorian dieted to drop subcutaneous fat, which lies underneath the dermis. What does this have to do with his skin?
I already told you striations are for the most part GENETIC and what lack of separations are you referring to? you don't think separations are genetic too , but need to have great conditioning to show them off ?
you are purposely avoiding my question. What anatomical factor is responsible for Dorian's lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels compared to Ronnie? I'm not asking for what genotypic variable. I even provided an illustration of the skin and muscle layers to help you out. ;)
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Jesus this is getting out of hand.
Shut the fuck up already.
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Jesus this is getting out of hand.
Shut the fuck up already.
I agree.how do I remove myself from this broken record of a thread.
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come to a f**king conclusion already, and just shut the f**k up >:(
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and bizzy is iceman's gimmick
LOL, pathetic.
Fighting a losing battle and all you can do is post accusations.
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come to a f**king conclusion already, and just shut the f**k up >:(
ofcourse there is only ONE conclusion......RONNIE IS BETTER!!!!
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ofcourse there is only ONE conclusion......RONNIE IS BETTER!!!!
PEDO!
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LOL, pathetic.
Fighting a losing battle and all you can do is post accusations.
we both know I'm right
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ND, it appears that Neo has conceded to your way of thinking, either that, or has given himself one hell of a self inflicted owning, according to the personal text under his avatar. lol
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ND, it appears that Neo has conceded to your way of thinking, either that, or has given himself one hell of a self inflicted owning, according to the personal text under his avatar. lol
He's obsessed with me , he's copied my style , my cadence , my signature ;) he follows me from thread to thread trying to equal the score , they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :) another old adage comes to mind ' if you can't beat em join em ' and he knows he can't beat so just try and be like me lol
Dorian and I control a LOT of people's minds .
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Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
LOL! Such bullshit. Souns like a Ronnie fanboy.
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Neo, don't cry! :'(
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We need a judge in this debate.
there is no end to it, other wise
but it would be obvious to a judge.
think about it.
the Ronnie side relies on cold hard visual evidence - clips, videos , screenshots to show and demonstrate ronnie's clear superiority
the dorian side only relies on quotes, and does nothing but come up with excuses as to why the visuals are not real - everything from fake screencaps to 'better lighting' to 'better camera technology for ronnie's shots lol.. ::)" they say dorian looked better in person, but that apparently, ronnie and everyone else do not lol ::).
even they acknowledge that the visuals clearly show ronnie is better. their argument has become nothing but a campaign to discredit it all.. ::)
thats their only course of action to show dorian was better lol ??? ::)
it should be obvious which side has won..
any sane third party would see this.
case in point: the loose skin on dorian's lower back. you can show ND a billion shots with it in full display, but he won't believe it unless you can find a QUOTE to say that it existed LOL ::)
like contest reviews have to reference every single detail about a contest or competitor lol ::)
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but it would be obvious to a judge.
think about it.
the Ronnie side relies on cold hard visual evidence - clips, videos , screenshots to show and demonstrate ronnie's clear superiority
the dorian side only relies on quotes, and does nothing but come up with excuses as to why the visuals are not real - everything from fake screencaps to 'better lighting' to 'better camera technology for ronnie's shots lol.. ::)" they say dorian looked better in person, but that apparently, ronnie and everyone else do not lol ::).
even they acknowledge that the visuals clearly show ronnie is better. their argument has become nothing but a campaign to discredit it all.. ::)
thats their only course of action to show dorian was better lol ??? ::)
it should be obvious which side has won..
any sane third party would see this.
case in point: the loose skin on dorian's lower back. you can show ND a billion shots with it in full display, but he won't believe it unless you can find a QUOTE to say that it existed LOL ::)
like contest reviews have to reference every single detail about a contest or competitor lol ::)
but it would be obvious to a judge.
think about it.
the Ronnie side relies on cold hard visual evidence - clips, videos , screenshots to show and demonstrate ronnie's clear superiority
PHOTOSHOPPED screencaps cold hard visuals my ass , worked screencaps by your buddy isn't evidence only evidence of your desperation
the dorian side only relies on quotes, and does nothing but come up with excuses as to why the visuals are not real - everything from fake screencaps to 'better lighting' to 'better camera technology for ronnie's shots lol.. ::)" they say dorian looked better in person, but that apparently, ronnie and everyone else do not lol ::).
quotes , first hand accounts , the IFBB judging criteria , visuals , why would any of that matter?
even they acknowledge that the visuals clearly show ronnie is better. their argument has become nothing but a campaign to discredit it all.. ::)
they don't show Ronnie is better that's a lie , and you can even get his best year right NO ONE of any credibility says 1999 is his best year , Not Ronnie , not the magazines , not knowledgable fans NO ONE you can even get that right lol you post photoshopped screencaps and claim look he's better LMFAO
thats their only course of action to show dorian was better lol ??? ::)
it should be obvious which side has won..
any sane third party would see this.
pictures back-up via firsthand accounts all confirm what I always maintained Dorian would beat Ronnie because he meets the criteria better than Ronnie , you idiots didin't even know what the judging criteria was until I posted it lol and you still don;t know how to apply it
ignorant fans spouting Ronnie is better conditioning than Dorian yet can't find one single quote to back it up lol great logic
case in point: the loose skin on dorian's lower back. you can show ND a billion shots with it in full display, but he won't believe it unless you can find a QUOTE to say that it existed LOL ::)
like contest reviews have to reference every single detail about a contest or competitor lol ::)
case in point YOU and your idiot friends are the ONLY ones EVER to claim this , never before anywhere has this gem better uttered and you think you're on to something lol I I've posted two quotes specifically stating Ronnie's conditioning changed from 98 to 99 and not for the better yet you can't find me ONE single reference to Dorian supposedly having loose skin over the course of his entire career LMFAO
you're claiming one of the best conditioning bodybuilders of all-time has loose skin yet no mention what so ever is this more of your conspricay theory that Uncle Joe made sure no one mentioned it due to politics? lol you're a retard not only have you claimed he has loose skin on his lower back but BOTH triceps as well
I laugh at your stupidity and ignorance
I made a claim I backed them ALL up using pictures and video and quotes from professionals what have you done? claimed he lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex and claimed Ronnie has better detailed calves than Dorian , and he has loose skin on his lower back and both triceps LMMFAO get the fuck out of here you dummy
This debate ended eons ago when you typed this bullshit I'm just adding insult to injury , there is NO debate that part past long ago when you claimed Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , this is me torturing you and making you commit to more insanely stupid statements and exposing your ignorance.
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PHOTOSHOPPED screencaps cold hard visuals my ass , worked screencaps
like I said, the brutal excuses continue.
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watch the video ND. watch it. Watch it and cry.
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ignorant fans spouting Ronnie is better conditioning than Dorian yet can't find one single quote to back it up
why do you need a 'quote' to confirm everything? ::)
especially what you can plainly see with your own fucking eyes? ::)
eg. your loose skin bullshit - you still maintain that you need a 'quote' to believe it when we have posted a billion pictures SHOWING the FUCKING LOOSE SKIN!
holy crap man do you need quotes for everything in your whole damn life?
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you're claiming one of the best conditioning bodybuilders of all-time has loose skin yet no mention what so ever
no, we are not 'claiming'
we are SHOWING:
holy crap man you are in complete and utter denial!!!!!!!
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look at that
and ND will not believe the loose skin is there because he did not read about it in a magazine..
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this is how fucked up this man is.
he probably needs a quote to confirm if he has a dick or not lol
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What about the pics of Ronnie with the same loose skin on his back? When someone hits a rear double they have a tendancy to lean back. You are then crunching down the skin on your lower back. I don't consider that "loose skin". If the skin didn't do that then you would never be able to move. Ronnie has it as well on some shots. I don't see how that is a sign of being conditioned.
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What about the pics of Ronnie with the same loose skin on his back? When someone hits a rear double they have a tendancy to lean back. You are then crunching down the skin on your lower back. I don't consider that "loose skin". If the skin didn't do that then you would never be able to move. Ronnie has it as well on some shots. I don't see how that is a sign of being conditioned.
right. but the key thing is that the loose skin is not visible in all the shots like it is with dorian
secondly, we are not in denial like ND is.
if you show us a pic of ronnie with loose skin, we don't need a fucking quote to believe if it is there or not.
if it is visible in the pic, it is there. period. whether or not it is specifically commented on by a fucking magazine reporter..
ND is in complete denial of all visuals.
all of them.
that is what we are dealing with.
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no, we are not 'claiming'
we are SHOWING:
holy crap man you are in complete and utter denial!!!!!!!
So, mythical loose skin is a deal breaker, but bitch tits are ok?? If Dorian had bitch tits, you'd be barking to no end, but as it is your hero, you pretend it does not exist. You're a hypocrite.
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please explain how loose skin is "mythical"
its right here
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So, mythical loose skin is a deal breaker, but bitch tits are ok?? If Dorian had bitch tits, you'd be barking to no end, but as it is your hero, you pretend it does not exist. You're a hypocrite.
actually I don't really give a shit if dorian had loose skin, although it shows up in poses where it does not in ronnie.
the point here is the denial of clear real life visual pictures.
jesus christ we even circled for you morons and you STILL don't believe its there..
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maybe this will help you not to deny real life:
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yeah, its so fucking mythical lol
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we need a quote to prove it exists!!
??? ::) ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ???
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:'( ::) :'( ::) :'( ::) :P
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whats inside the circle? ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::) ??? ::)
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but a reporter didn't comment on it so it can't be there~!!!
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lol
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Serious Meltdown! LMFAO
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What do you expect....same guy that claims he eats 4-4500 calories per day for maintenance of his 170lb physique ha ha ha
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc288.jpg)
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Horrible, horrible balance. No way in hell he can beat Dorian.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc425.jpg)
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What do you expect....same guy that claims he eats 4-4500 calories per day for maintenance of his 170lb physique ha ha ha
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc288.jpg)
Looks like Ronnie's abs took a vacation. No wonder he got beat by Gunter! ;D But hey, Ronnie was as dominant as Dorian, if not more so. lol ;)
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Horrible, horrible balance. No way in hell he can beat Dorian.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc425.jpg)
Hell, off season Yates has a way harder back! Not mention that you can already see tell tale signs of Ronnie's left side starting to deteriorate.
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Look at this garbage....at his supposed "best" too ha ha.....Ronnie looks like a blob of crap in 2003. Fat and bloated. NO proportions.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc538.jpg)
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He's got a few rolls forming! lol In contest shape, no less! How are you gonna explain that Huckster??? ??? ??? ??? OWNED!! Stick an apple in Ronnie's mouth and stick a fork in him, he's done!
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BWAHAHAHAHAH....MONSTER CALVES lmfao....rollin on sticks baby 8)
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Self explanatory
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc366.jpg)
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Self explanatory
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc366.jpg)
Why complain?? Right Huckster?
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please explain how loose skin is "mythical"
its right here
Super Meltdown LMMFAO Hulkster you're always good for a laugh
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Serious Meltdown! LMFAO
My sentiments exactly lol
nuclear
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The loose skin has more to do with how the pose is hit. I use to have the same issue but on a rear double or back lat spread if you roll your hips forward it's not there. Dorian doesn't seem to do this where Ronnie does. That's why in the pics posted of Ronnie relaxed from the back he has the loose skin and when he poses he rolls his hips so he doesn't have it. The bottom line is both were great, but they are different types of physiques. Comparing them is tough. Ronnie can make the claim to be the best due to having more Sandows. Dorian could as well since he beat Ronnie time and time again. Hell why not say Haney is the best. He is tied for the most sandows and beat Dorian.
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The loose skin has more to do with how the pose is hit. I use to have the same issue but on a rear double or back lat spread if you roll your hips forward it's not there. Dorian doesn't seem to do this where Ronnie does. That's why in the pics posted of Ronnie relaxed from the back he has the loose skin and when he poses he rolls his hips so he doesn't have it. The bottom line is both were great, but they are different types of physiques. Comparing them is tough. Ronnie can make the claim to be the best due to having more Sandows. Dorian could as well since he beat Ronnie time and time again. Hell why not say Haney is the best. He is tied for the most sandows and beat Dorian.
I get your point and nice analogy about Haney !!
the whole point is Dorian has NO loose skin that's him the freaking moron reaching for an angle that someone created , he's bound to this stupidity and can;t retract out of fear of being exposed as the complete moron he already is , he went as far as to now claim the lines on the back of Dorian's triceps are loose skin as well LMFAO the kid is retarded
if he has any loose skin it would be clearly evident in this pose and nothing but highly defined razor sharp super dry muscle
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The much heralded Ronnie of 2003 looks unbelievably smooth. He's holding water and fat. 1997 Yates, which is hardly Dorian's best, is still exponentially harder and better conditioned. Ronnie even has rolls in his lower back in the "relaxed" pose! Ronnie looks like a giant smooth potato. The fat lady is clearing her throat, Huckster. ;)
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yes it does. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).
You already got owned in the truce thread by yours truly in this exact debate, and I can see that you're back for more. Striations and separations correlate with low bodyfat and water levels, but genetics is also a factor. Andreas Munzer had more striations than anyone else onstage, even though the other competitors had as little subcutaneous fat and water as he did. Munzer was at the 93' Olympia and he destroyed Dorian in terms of striations, even though Dorian was at the lowest bodyfat and water levels a Human can go before entering rigor mortis. Riddle me that? ;)
if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.
Irrelevant. The fact that different boybuilders exibit different levels of definition and striations at the same bodyfat indicates that there are other factors besides subcutaneous fat and water responsible for definition and striations. I don't need to actually know what factors these are for my point to stand on solid logic.
nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.
Both play a part. Maybe Dorian's thin skin is responsible for his ultra-hard look - coupled with years of training to failure -, but he had other physiological factors that precluded him from showing lots of striations.
so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha.
It depends on how you define conditioning. If you define it as definition and striations, then yes, he did have better conditioning. However, I define conditioning as having low bodyfat and water levels. Why? Because as you get to extremely low bodyfat and water levels, your body will express conditioning in a myriad of different ways. Depending on your genetic and physiological type, you can either become striated like Munzer and Dexter Jackson or acquire that granite look with less striations like Dorian and Branch Warren. So I concede that all of these things are indicators of conditioning: definition, striations and hardness. All Human Beings will express some or the other as they drop their bodyfat and water levels to extremely low levels, but why some show more striations while others show more hardness is down to individual physiology. They all correlate with low bodyfat and water levels, but the correlation is not perfect due to genetic factors.
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You already got owned in the truce thread by yours truly in this exact debate, and I can see that you're back for more. Striations and separations correlate with low bodyfat and water levels, but genetics is also a factor. Andreas Munzer had more striations than anyone else onstage, even though the other competitors had as little subcutaneous fat and water as he did. Munzer was at the 93' Olympia and he destroyed Dorian in terms of striations, even though Dorian was at the lowest bodyfat and water levels a Human can go before entering rigor mortis. Riddle me that? ;)
Irrelevant. The fact that different boybuilders exibit different levels of definition and striations at the same bodyfat indicates that there are other factors besides subcutaneous fat and water responsible for definition and striations. I don't need to actually know what factors these are for my point to stand on solid logic.
Both play a part. Maybe Dorian's thin skin is responsible for his ultra-hard look - coupled with years of training to failure -, but he had other physiological factors that precluded him from showing lots of striations.
It depends on how you define conditioning. If you define it as definition and striations, then yes, he did have better conditioning. However, I define conditioning as having low bodyfat and water levels. Why? Because as you get to extremely low bodyfat and water levels, your body will express conditioning in a myriad of different ways. Depending on your genetic and physiological type, you can either become striated like Munzer and Dexter Jackson or acquire that granite look with less striations like Dorian and Branch Warren. So I concede that all of these things are indicators of conditioning: definition, striations and hardness. All Human Beings will express some or the other as they drop their bodyfat and water levels to extremely low levels, but why some show more striations while others show more hardness is down to individual physiology. They all correlate with low bodyfat and water levels, but the correlation is not perfect due to genetic factors.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Neo = owned yet again lol he didn't learn on the truce thread either
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but it would be obvious to a judge.
think about it.
the Ronnie side relies on cold hard visual evidence - clips, videos , screenshots to show and demonstrate ronnie's clear superiority
Huckster, for the last fucking time, understand this: the judges wouln't be judging the visual evidence according to your preference. They would be judging it by a criteria that differs from your opinion. That is, the fact that you believe that Ronnie is beating Dorian in the visuals woudn't translate to Ronnie beating Dorian according to the judges. Geez!
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Huckster, for the last fucking time, understand this: the judges wouln't be judging the visual evidence according to your preference. They would be judging it by a criteria that differs from your opinion. That is, the fact that you believe that Ronnie is beating Dorian in the visuals woudn't translate to Ronnie beating Dorian according to the judges. Geez!
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after looking at the ' visuals ' he came to the stunning revelation Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler and Ronnie has better detail in his calves than Dorian , this kid is an idiot he see what he wants he's in denial he's still posting the photoshopped pics and still claiming they're not what does that tell you?
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I get your point and nice analogy about Haney !!
the whole point is Dorian has NO loose skin that's him the freaking moron reaching for an angle that someone created , he's bound to this stupidity and can;t retract out of fear of being exposed as the complete moron he already is , he went as far as to now claim the lines on the back of Dorian's triceps are loose skin as well LMFAO the kid is retarded
if he has any loose skin it would be clearly evident in this pose and nothing but highly defined razor sharp super dry muscle
I agree that it's not really loose skin. Every bodybuilder will have it if they don't pose a certain way. In the shots you posted I guarantee Dorian is rolling his hips forward to it pulls the skin rather than crunching it. Ronnie has it when he isn't rolling his hips.
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I agree that it's not really loose skin. Every bodybuilder will have it if they don't pose a certain way. In the shots you posted I guarantee Dorian is rolling his hips forward to it pulls the skin rather than crunching it. Ronnie has it when he isn't rolling his hips.
Ronnie's issue in the 2003 pic is that not only is he holding water, but also fat. He is holding monstrous size, but at the considerable cost of conditioning. In certain poses the added size has impact, but in others, the detriment to his conditioning is extremely evident. Ronnie was able to get away with this due to there not being any well conditioned big men during the latter part of his career. I believe he would have had much more impact at a much tighter 270.
As the years have passed, I believe that everyone has become desensitized to the deteriorating conditioning that has been getting presented, in favor of additional size. The early-mid nineties were perhaps the zenith of conditioning, and it has been down hill ever since. The bar has been lowered. Thus, when Ronnie's dimensions continued to expand, he was applauded and rewarded. Indeed, he was very hard for his size in 2003, but I feel it incorrect to placate his lack of conditioning just for the sake of extreme size.
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The much heralded Ronnie of 2003 looks unbelievably smooth. He's holding water and fat. 1997 Yates, which is hardly Dorian's best, is still exponentially harder and better conditioned. Ronnie even has rolls in his lower back in the "relaxed" pose! Ronnie looks like a giant smooth potato. The fat lady is clearing her throat, Huckster. ;)
oh the irony that you choose a yates pic that has loose skin too.
like I said, the issue is not that dorian has loose skin and ronnie doesnt
the issue is that ND can be shown pics of loose skin on dorian and he pretends it doesn't exist...
he is literally saying that what is shown in front of all of us is not actually there.
it would be the equivelent of showing a picture of a building and ND would insist it doesn't exist and is not really there..
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Huckster, for the last fucking time, understand this: the judges wouln't be judging the visual evidence according to your preference. They would be judging it by a criteria that differs from your opinion. That is, the fact that you believe that Ronnie is beating Dorian in the visuals woudn't translate to Ronnie beating Dorian according to the judges. Geez!
what you fail to realize is that what you claim is simply 'my' preference is not actually my preference at all.
its the preference of the entire bb community.
it is the way the sport is judged, by fans, industry insiders, judges and contest reporters.
its the way the sport works
is why so few people feel dorian was better than ronnie.
sorry, but nice try.
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oh the irony that you choose a yates pic that has loose skin too.
like I said, the issue is not that dorian has loose skin and ronnie doesnt
the issue is that ND can be shown pics of loose skin on dorian and he pretends it doesn't exist...
he is literally saying that what is shown in front of all of us is not actually there.
it would be the equivelent of showing a picture of a building and ND would insist it doesn't exist and is not really there..
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Realistically, I'm sure one could find a photo of virtually any bodybuilder in a specific posture where there is the odd crease, despite being very well conditioned. Being that Dorian was renowned for having thin skin and coming in very dry, it is unlikely that he would have loose skin. Judging from the abundance of photos, I would assert that the alleged "loose skin", is merely creasing due to the posture of the pose. If skin is truly loose, it won't tighten up, even when flexing. There are many shots of Dorian where no such issues are evident whatsoever. When considering the various aspects of physique evaluation, it would seem as though Huckster is now really grasping at straws. He has continued to emphasize this "alleged" issue, which is really a non-issue. In light of how he fixates on a slight creasing of the skin due to posture, then turns a blind eye to things like Ronnie's gyno, he truly lacks any credibility or objectivity. If that is the best he can come up with, there must not be much to complain about when it comes to Dorian's physique.
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oh the irony that you choose a yates pic that has loose skin too.
like I said, the issue is not that dorian has loose skin and ronnie doesnt
the issue is that ND can be shown pics of loose skin on dorian and he pretends it doesn't exist...
he is literally saying that what is shown in front of all of us is not actually there.
it would be the equivelent of showing a picture of a building and ND would insist it doesn't exist and is not really there..
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You dope no only are you claiming he has loose skin on his back ( that magically disappears from one pose to the next ) but he also has the same loose skin on both of his triceps
you're a retard period. you're claiming lines are loose skin you're a retard
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LOL you are calling these "LINES"?
get the fuck out
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ND please don't dodge this question like the pussy coward that you are.
ARE THESE "LINES" on Jay's back, or loose skin?.
answer please.
don't run like always:
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lol jay and dorian show the same loose skin
it sure as fuck isn't 'lines' LOL
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loose skin twins that ND claims isn't there ::)
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LOL you are calling these "LINES"?
get the fuck out
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You're the dope who's claiming he has loose skin not only on his back but also both triceps you're and idiot of the first degree and entertaining your stupidity has run it's course
like your other totally asinine claims that Dorian lost in 1993 and Ronnie has more detailed calves this one is beyond being taken seriously any further , continue with your mega-meltdown
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lol jay and dorian show the same loose skin
it sure as fuck isn't 'lines' LOL
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jay beating dorian in the rear lat spread lol
dorian even gots loose skin on his triceps
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dorian even gots loose skin on his triceps
LOL no one challenges the keg for the leathery weathered look. ;)
FYI THIS is the keg's TRUE SIDE TRICEPS WHEN THE ARM'S NOT PUSHED AGAINST HIS SIDE.
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ND your not getting it.
what are the wrinkles of loose skin on all those dorian pics.
what are they? optical illusions? ghosts? munchkins? hobbits?
tell us, because you claim they are not what is shown in the pics.
tell us all LOL
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LOL no one challenges the keg for the leathery weathered look. ;)
FYI THIS is the keg's TRUE SIDE TRICEPS WHEN THE ARM'S NOT PUSHED AGAINST HIS SIDE.
Dorian looks like shit :-\
terribly ugly physique.
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You're the dope who's claiming he has loose skin not only on his back but also both triceps
as I said before, I am not claiming anything
I am simply showing you what dorian displayed
which was loose skin ala Jay Cutler.
next your going to say that the loose skin was faked LOL
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as I said before, I am not claiming anything
I am simply showing you what dorian displayed
which was loose skin ala Jay Cutler.
next your going to say that the loose skin was faked LOL
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bullshit you're claiming he has loose skin not only on his lower back but BOTH triceps as well , don't back peddle now kid you committed to this junk ;)
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where are the unseen pics of Dorian that were suppose to meltdown the Ronnie supporters? ???
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where are the unseen pics of Dorian that were suppose to meltdown the Ronnie supporters? ???
It hasn't even been posted and look at the Uber meltdown from Hulkster lol
the pic wont change nothing you guys are ignorant anyway , pics of Dorian from the 93 photoshoot you and Hulkster posted pics of the Pillsbury Dough boy so it wont mean much to biased people
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It hasn't even been posted and look at the Uber meltdown from Hulkster lol
c'mon, you have to admit it was funny to scroll down and find a whole page of the same pic. ;D
the pic wont change nothing you guys are ignorant anyway , pics of Dorian from the 93 photoshoot you and Hulkster posted pics of the Pillsbury Dough boy so it wont mean much to biased people
I'm not bias. Ronnie isn't even my fav. bodybuilder and I tried to pose like Dorian in the front lat spread at last year's Mr. Getbig contest as a tribute to him. Regardless of what you may think, I admire the guy and like his physique. I just post funny shit b/c people take this discussion too seriously.
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what you fail to realize is that what you claim is simply 'my' preference is not actually my preference at all.
its the preference of the entire bb community.
it is the way the sport is judged, by fans, industry insiders, judges and contest reporters.
its the way the sport works
is why so few people feel dorian was better than ronnie.
sorry, but nice try.
For startrs, this is not true. There are polls where Dorian is beating Ronnie as to who is the greatest ever. Secondly, even if this were true, it woldn't mean shit. Why? Because the "bodybuilding community" doesen't judge contests, you fucking moron.
The only way to decide who wins in a hypothetical battle between Dorian and Ronnie both at their bests would be to pitch them in a sanctioned contest from a bodybuilding federation. Each and every single bodybuilding contest ever was judged by a small panel of judges that follow rules, and not by popular vote. This is not American Idol, or America's Next Top Model. Since the I.F.B.B is the World's most important bodybuilding federation, and since both men won that federation's premiere title, then it is appropriate for our hypothetical matchup between both at their bests to be held according to the criteria used tom judge competitors at the Mr.Olympia.
And you are lying through your teeth when you claim that judges have said that Ronnie at his best wod beat Dorian at his best. Where has an I.F.B.B judge said that? The only I.F.B.B Pro Division judge that has spoken especifically on the Dorian vs Ronnie debate has been Dorian himself, and he said that it would be very close because Ronnie would be carrying 15 lbs of lean mass more but he would have superior symmetry and conditioning. Dorian finally said that it "would be up to the judges". So once again, we are back to square zero.
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