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I can't help but think that, but for a few lapses, this team could be 6-1 or 7-0.
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They're not and it is what it is. Denver got brought down to earth today.
Great win. Total domination on defense and special teams for the Ravens. Next up are two back to back division games against the Bengals and Browns(must wins). Then it's the murderers row in late November with back to back home games against the Colts and Steelers.
Hopefully this impressive win will help the team build some momentum.
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They have a tough road ahead, for sure. I don't get to see them play much (we seem to get the Steelers for our AFC game most weeks) but they were on the j-o-b today. If only the Panthers could play a game like that once in a while. >:(
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that sucked. Ravens played their asses off today. good win.
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I can't help but think that, but for a few lapses, this team could be 6-1 or 7-0.
the steelers should be 7 - 0
i think the ravens exposed the broncos as the fraud i said they were all along, wait and see
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i think the ravens exposed the broncos as the fraud i said they were all along, wait and see
please elaborate.
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please elaborate.
kyle orton is the qb, nuff said
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kyle orton is the qb, nuff said
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huh?
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huh?
i said kyle orton is the qb
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I can't help but think that, but for a few lapses, this team could be 6-1 or 7-0.
LOL yes the Texans should be 7-1 right now too, shit happens and it is what it is.
I agree on bringing the broncos back down to reality and was glad to see it to be honest.
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i said kyle orton is the qb
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is that why the broncos are frauds?
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is that why the broncos are frauds?
it's payback for my comments last week about the steelers. Of course he'll probably deny it.
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is that why the broncos are frauds?
that's the main reason, you only go as far as your qb can take you 99% of the time
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it's payback for my comments last week about the steelers. Of course he'll probably deny it.
check my posts, i've been calling them frauds all year
when i give you "payback" for dissing the only 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME CHAMPIONS OF THE WORRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLDDDDDD you will know it, son :-*
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The Broncos play very good defense and have great leadership in Dawkins and Champ Bailey. But Orton is a lower tier starting NFL quarterback, in my opinion. There is not really anything that jumps out at you about him.
The Ravens held him to 152 yards passing and no TD's. That's saying something, considering how bad the Ravens' pass defense has been all season.
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that's the main reason, you only go as far as your qb can take you 99% of the time
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ben roethislgsjbger might have something to say about that.
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ben roethislgsjbger might have something to say about that.
he proves my point
more wins his first 5 years than any qb in history, youngest super bowl winning qb, has been to a pro bowl and is on pace for another, 13 - 0 as a rookie, 2 time super bowl champ at 26 years old, numerous 4th quarter comebacks with many more to come
if that resume doesn't impress you, well that's your problem and yes you have a major problem :)
27 years old, i repeat 27 YEARS OLD the best is yet to come as he enters his prime
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Steelers suck donkey dick :P
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he proves my point
history doesnt lie.
superbowl XL ring a bell? ben played the worst game a qb could possibly play. It was pitts all-world defense that was the deciding factor.
dont ignore the fact ben had a very good defense behind those wins ::)
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check my posts, i've been calling them frauds all year
when i give you "payback" for dissing the only 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME CHAMPIONS OF THE WORRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLDDDDDD you will know it, son :-*
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arn't you the special one.
oooooohhh... quiver... quiver...
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Steelers suck donkey dick :P
Tony is awesome ;D
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history doesnt lie.
superbowl XL ring a bell? ben played the worst game a qb could possibly play. It was pitts all-world defense that was the deciding factor.
dont ignore the fact ben had a very good defense behind those wins ::)
i'm guessing you don't remember the awesome games he had in the playoffs before xl, if football decided the playoffs mvp the way the nhl does, big ben would've been named mvp
and how many super bowls did tommy maddox and kordell stewart win with those defenses? what super bowl winning teams didn't have a good defense? when ben wins his 3rd what will you say then?
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i'm guessing you don't remember the awesome games he had in the playoffs before xl, if football decided the playoffs mvp the way the nhl does, big ben would've been named mvp
and how many super bowls did tommy maddox and kordell stewart win with those defenses? what super bowl winning teams didn't have a good defense? when ben wins his 3rd what will you say then?
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First of all, he played extraordinary mediocre during the regular season.
2400 yards. 7 td/9 int /3 rushing td
That right there tells you who deserves the praise.
should i list the defensive stats along with their running attack?
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Tony is awesome ;D
;D
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First of all, he played extraordinary mediocre during the regular season.
2400 yards. 7 td/9 int /3 rushing td
That right there tells you who deserves the praise.
should i list the defensive stats along with their running attack?
2nd layeth the DOWN the LAW :)
poor earl...
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First of all, he played extraordinary mediocre during the regular season.
2400 yards. 7 td/9 int /3 rushing td
That right there tells you who deserves the praise.
should i list the defensive stats along with their running attack?
he was a 2nd year qb, did you forget that fact?
keep looking at the numbers that "help" your argument
ignore the important numbers like most wins for a qb's first 5 seasons, youngest to win a super bowl, most wins for a rookie qb, 2 time 2 time super bowl winner
maybe i'm weird but i care more about those numbers than huge passing yard statistics, which are often inflated because your team throws more when they are getting their ass kicked
oh and why don't you compare the first 5 year regular season numbers that you care so much about to other elite qb's in nfl history, lets see how big ben compares
the local newspaper last week compared his numbers to favre's first 5 years and they were very similar, the one glaring difference was super bowl wins ;D ;D ;D
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2nd layeth the DOWN the LAW :)
poor earl...
just because you desperately want someone else to be right doesn't mean they are
i'm destroying all of you :P
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just because you desperately want someone else to be right doesn't mean they are
i'm destroying all of you :P
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everybody has to have their fantasy. Don't let the fact that your team buys refs and has a mediocre quarterback hold you back... You go!!! :D
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everybody has to have their fantasy. Don't let the fact that your team buys refs and has a mediocre quarterback hold you back... You go!!! :D
if that helps you sleep better at night knowing that the steelers are 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME CHAMPIONS OF THE WOOOORRRRRLLLLLLLLDDDDDD DD and big ben is 2 TIME 2 TIME CHAMP AT 26 YEARS OLD :D :D
i'm willing to bet you conveniently forget every call that goes against the mighty steelers, typical of jealous steeler haters
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if that helps you sleep better at night knowing that the steelers are 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME 6 TIME CHAMPIONS OF THE WOOOORRRRRLLLLLLLLDDDDDD DD and big ben is 2 TIME 2 TIME CHAMP AT 26 YEARS OLD :D :D
i'm willing to bet you conveniently forget every call that goes against the mighty steelers, typical of jealous steeler haters
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you should get help for that stutter, must be really bad when it affects your typing. don't worry, you're special. don't let anyone tell you you're not.
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he was a 2nd year qb, did you forget that fact?
wait so when his stats are brought up which were not very pretty its ok to play it off because it was his 2nd season, but when he performed well in the playoffs that was the real ben?
Veterans have had far worse seasons than that. I smell a homer.
keep looking at the numbers that "help" your argument
ignore the important numbers like most wins for a qb's first 5 seasons, youngest to win a super bowl, most wins for a rookie qb, 2 time 2 time super bowl winner
maybe i'm weird but i care more about those numbers than huge passing yard statistics, which are often inflated because your team throws more when they are getting their ass kicked
oh and why don't you compare the first 5 year regular season numbers that you care so much about to other elite qb's in nfl history, lets see how big ben compares
Einstein...I brought up his 05' numbers because that was a prime example of when your team DOES NOT go as far as the QB leads it.
You went on a tangent defended him with accomplishments like wins for a rookie,2 superbowls, ect. and here i am writing a long winded reply because of your ADD. ::)
I will say that ben is one of the best ever to extend the play..but he also has an extremely bad habit of holding the ball too long. His sack numbers last year were DEFINITELY inflated from that. that was not 100% on his O-line.
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maybe i'm weird but i care more about those numbers than huge passing yard statistics, which are often inflated because your team throws more when they are getting their ass kicked
this gem deserves its own reply.
are you saying the 07 pats offense numbers were inflated because they were constantly playing from behind?
how about the 07 colts?
this years saints team?
you get my point.
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this gem deserves its own reply.
are you saying the 07 pats offense numbers were inflated because they were constantly playing from behind?
how about the 07 colts?
this years saints team?
you get my point.
dude..forget it. It's a losing battle. For me, until the Ravens(or your team, for that matter) experience anything close to the success Ben and the Steelers have had, it's not worth it for me to argue with Earl back and forth. Besides, I'm a shitty typer and grew tired of it.
Steelers have an 18-11 won/loss record against my team, nuff said. I got nothing but respect for Big Ben and the Steelers. I hope the Ravens get to that level one day. Maybe with Flacco they will, who knows?
Fuck stats. It's about wins and losses in the NFL, bottom line. However way you get there depends on some breaks that go your way during a season and being lucky with injuries.
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Ben is easily a top 5 qb in the NFL. He has everything you want in a quarterback. Tough, makes good decisons, makes the big play when he as to and wins.
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you should get help for that stutter, must be really bad when it affects your typing. don't worry, you're special. don't let anyone tell you you're not.
you know who else is special?
the steelers for being the only 6 time super bowl champs 8)
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wait so when his stats are brought up which were not very pretty its ok to play it off because it was his 2nd season, but when he performed well in the playoffs that was the real ben?
Veterans have had far worse seasons than that. I smell a homer.
yes playoff games are far more important than regular season games, why can't you believe that a young qb can get better as the season goes on?
i smell a hater
Einstein...I brought up his 05' numbers because that was a prime example of when your team DOES NOT go as far as the QB leads it.
You went on a tangent defended him with accomplishments like wins for a rookie,2 superbowls, ect. and here i am writing a long winded reply because of your ADD. ::)
I will say that ben is one of the best ever to extend the play..but he also has an extremely bad habit of holding the ball too long. His sack numbers last year were DEFINITELY inflated from that. that was not 100% on his O-line.
yes i am einstein compared to you if you don't believe that quarterback is the most important position, i will ask you one more time how many super bowls did neil o'donnell, kordell stewart and tommy maddox win?
him "holding the ball too long" is exactly the reason he had the epic drive in last years super bowl, yes the sacks put him at risk for injury but throwing the ball away isn't going to help his numbers either
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this gem deserves its own reply.
are you saying the 07 pats offense numbers were inflated because they were constantly playing from behind?
how about the 07 colts?
this years saints team?
you get my point.
notice how i said "often" inflated? and don't forget that 07 pats ran up the score and would throw on 4th down with a 20 point lead
how about this point?
big ben had more passing yards than any other year when they went 8 - 8 in 2006, he missed a couple games that season too
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haha, i forgot about Tommy Maddox.
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Ben is easily a top 5 qb in the NFL. He has everything you want in a quarterback. Tough, makes good decisons, makes the big play when he as to and wins.
Agreed. Who would would you rather have?
Brady
Manning
Breese
Ryan
Thats about it.
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Agreed. Who would would you rather have?
Brady
Manning
Breese
Ryan
Thats about it.
I see a lot of similaraties in Ryan and Ben. Both make really good decisions and turn plays that appear to be going nowhere into positive yardage. I don't think Ben holds on to the ball too long, he just never gives up on a play and is willing to stay in the pocket and take the hit. Letting go of the ball too early before letting a play develop is worse.
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I see a lot of similaraties in Ryan and Ben. Both make really good decisions and turn plays that appear to be going nowhere into positive yardage. I don't think Ben holds on to the ball too long, he just never gives up on a play and is willing to stay in the pocket and take the hit. Letting go of the ball too early before letting a play develop is worse.
Big Ben is a top 5 qb with ease. You'd be high to want anyone other than Brady, Manning, Breese or Ryan over Ben.
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Big Ben is a top 5 qb with ease. You'd be high to want anyone other than Brady, Manning, Breese or Ryan over Ben.
Matt Ryan over Ben?
No.........
I would take Flacco over Ryan but that's just me being bias.
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yes "hugo chavez" and "2nd cuming" are brutally owned and probably shouldn't show their usernames here again :D
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Steelers still suck donkey dick ;D
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Matt Ryan over Ben?
No.........
I would take Flacco over Ryan but that's just me being bias.
Flacco is very good, but Ryan is better, imo. Don't forget, I was whining about how the Ravens would be foolish not to draft Flacco. He's Drew Bledsoe with better mobility. That said, Matt Ryan is the better player. Not by much, maybe 10%.
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Somebody answer me... name five Qb's you'd take over Big Ben. Brady, Manning, Breese, Ryan, Maybe Rivers? To say he's not a top QB is insane.
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Somebody answer me... name five Qb's you'd take over Big Ben. Brady, Manning, Breese, Ryan, Maybe Rivers? To say he's not a top QB is insane.
calm down fellas, it's just busting balls... a little shit talk. it's not serious or i didn't think it was. yes ben is a good qb. but i still don't like the steelers ;)
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Steelers still suck donkey dick ;D
Tony is awesome... again ;D
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id say ben is a top 5 qb for sure.
manning
brady
mcnabb
brees
ben
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Fuck stats. It's about wins and losses in the NFL, bottom line. However way you get there depends on some breaks that go your way during a season and being lucky with injuries.
i agree.
and bens 22.4 qb rating in superbowl xL tells you a running attack+top rated D alone can get you by.
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Flacco is very good, but Ryan is better, imo. Don't forget, I was whining about how the Ravens would be foolish not to draft Flacco. He's Drew Bledsoe with better mobility. That said, Matt Ryan is the better player. Not by much, maybe 10%.
Well...Ryan did go to BC, so there's your bias right there. I think Flacco will have the better career because I think he's more physically talented than Ryan. If you compare their rookie contracts they signed and you look at the guaranteed money Ryan got before he played a down in the NFL, well.....
Ryan should be a lot better than 10% if you go strictly by paychecks. I understand it's because of where Ryan was drafted compared to Flacco's position. But I think Flacco has proven to be the better player so far strictly by wins and losses.
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id say ben is a top 5 qb for sure.
manning
brady
mcnabb
brees
ben
My list would look like this:
Brady 1a
Manning 1b
Farve - not even close to the two above, imo.
Breese
Ben
Mcnabbe
Ryan
Rivers
Flacco
Cassel (Going by 2007, his injury made this year a wash, imo).
the rest....
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Well...Ryan did go to BC, so there's your bias right there. I think Flacco will have the better career because I think he's more physically talented than Ryan. If you compare their rookie contracts they signed and you look at the guaranteed money Ryan got before he played a down in the NFL, well.....
Ryan should be a lot better than 10% if you go strictly by paychecks. I understand it's because of where Ryan was drafted compared to Flacco's position. But I think Flacco has proven to be the better player so far strictly by wins and losses.
I have no bias. I said the ravens should draft either Ryan or Flacco. To me, Ryan is the better player by 10% or so. Paychecks have nothing to do with it, because no one thought Flacco would be as good as he is. Hindsight 20/20, Flacco would have went in the top 5, easy. You can't go wrong either way - imo. To me, Ryan is slightly better at reading coverage. Again, no knock on your binky, he was my binky pre-draft, remember!?
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i agree.
and bens 22.4 qb rating in superbowl xL tells you a running attack+top rated D alone can get you by.
what about the playoff games against the bengals, colts, and broncos?
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I have no bias. I said the ravens should draft either Ryan or Flacco. To me, Ryan is the better player by 10% or so. Paychecks have nothing to do with it, because no one thought Flacco would be as good as he is. Hindsight 20/20, Flacco would have went in the top 5, easy. You can't go wrong either way - imo. To me, Ryan is slightly better at reading coverage. Again, no knock on your binky, he was my binky pre-draft, remember!?
I was kidding about the bias...I just think it speaks volumes about Flacco's stats so far this year considering that Atlanta has much better offensive weapons. Gonzalez, Turner, and White are a much better trio than Rice, Mason, and Heap. Yet Flacco has thrown for more yardage, less picks and has a higher completion %.
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lol
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I can't help but think that, but for a few lapses, this team could be 6-1 or 7-0.
do you still feel that way :-\
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do you still feel that way :-\
hahahahahahaha
Brutal self-ownage. I won't recover.
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it happens to the best of us..
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The Ravens are searching for a defensive identity. They have yet to find it. Fabian Washington and Dominique Foxworth are about as bad as it gets when it comes to starting cornerbacks in the NFL. I would give anything as a fan if we had a chance at Chris McAllister back as a starter. Big, physical corner who could shut down the opposing team's #1 back in the day. Oh, how I long back for those days....
I'd be surprised if we won 8 games this year. Brutal second half schedule yet to play. Home games against the Colts and Steelers back to back and Green Bay on the road. The Bengals look like a legitmate playoff team this year.
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dammit i actually wanted the ravens to win >:(
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dammit i actually wanted the ravens to win >:(
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Yep..now you'll just have to deal with the Steelers losing to Denver tonight......
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Yep..now you'll just have to deal with the Steelers losing to Denver tonight......
not happening
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I look at this game as the last tough matchup for the Steelers. They always play like shit in Mile High and you know this.
The Steelers should easily cruise to 12 wins this year.
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They always play like shit in Mile High and you know this.
they didn't in a january 2006 game :D
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dude..forget it. It's a losing battle. For me, until the Ravens(or your team, for that matter) experience anything close to the success Ben and the Steelers have had, it's not worth it for me to argue with Earl back and forth. Besides, I'm a shitty typer and grew tired of it.
Steelers have an 18-11 won/loss record against my team, nuff said. I got nothing but respect for Big Ben and the Steelers. I hope the Ravens get to that level one day. Maybe with Flacco they will, who knows?
Fuck stats. It's about wins and losses in the NFL, bottom line. However way you get there depends on some breaks that go your way during a season and being lucky with injuries.
Ben wins games. He is cool in the clutch, throws a decent deep ball but has touch to put the ball into coverage. He extends plays with his feet and toughness as well. I don't know of a single QB I'd want in the crunch other than he. He has the most talent now, versus anytime in his career. I think with Arians approach, the talent behind Ben, we will see what he can do statistically. His number one receiver is a player who prolly wouldn't get drafted in the first five rounds. Wallace finally gives them someone who can stretch the field vertically.
Ben played great tonight, eh.
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Steelers have only the Colts to contend with as the AFC's best team. It all comes down to who gets homefield advantage in the playoffs.
Steelers have a better than solid chance of making it to the Superbowl once again. Mendenhall is kicking ass out there.
Denver is being exposed as a fraud, in my opinion. Orton sucks. That pick 6 he threw changed the entire game and took the life out of Denver and the home fans.
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Steelers have only the Colts to contend with as the AFC's best team. It all comes down to who gets homefield advantage in the playoffs.
Steelers have a better than solid chance of making it to the Superbowl once again. Mendenhall is kicking ass out there.
Denver is being exposed as a fraud, in my opinion. Orton sucks. That pick 6 he threw changed the entire game and took the life out of Denver and the home fans.
I don't agree with that at all. I agree that they are the best team (by record) in the AFC, but until they play the Pats, they are not the only team that the Steelers might have to deal with if the go to the championship game. The Patriots are tops in the AFC when it comes to total points scored and second in total points allowed. The Colts secondary is fucked, and I think they will get shredded by the Pats and the Saints.
Also, why in Denver a fraud? They moved the ball pretty easily through the first half and Orton looked good. Everyone loses games. Orton far from "sucks" this year, imo. That's crazy to say considering how well he has played thus far.
Total points scored over 8 games
1 New England Patriots 8 225 225 28.1 8 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 22 17 0 1
2 Indianapolis Colts8 27.1 217 217 27.1 8 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 25 12 0 0
3 Houston Texans 9 23.9 215 215 23.9 7 17 0 1 0 1 0 0 25 10 1 1
4 Baltimore Ravens 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 11 12 0 1 1 1 0 0 26 8 0 0
4 San Diego Chargers 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 5 14 1 0 1 1 0 1 23 15 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 24.4 195 195 24.4 6 15 0 0 2 1 0 0 24 9 0 0
Total points allowed over 8 games
1 Indianapolis Colts 8 13.5 108 108 13.5 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 0
2 New England Patriots 8 14.4 115 115 14.4 2 9 0 0 1 1 0 0 13 8 0 0
3 Denver Broncos 8 15.5 124 124 15.5 3 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 13 11 0 0
4 New York Jets 8 16.8 134 134 16.8 4 5 0 2 1 3 0 0 14 10 0 0
5 Cincinnati Bengals 8 16.9 135 135 16.9 4 10 0 0 2 0 0 0 15 8 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 17.4 139 139 17.4 2 9 0 2 2 2 0 0 14 7 0 1
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I don't agree with that at all. I agree that they are the best team (by record) in the AFC, but until they play the Pats, they are not the only team that the Steelers might have to deal with if the go to the championship game. The Patriots are tops in the AFC when it comes to total points scored and second in total points allowed. The Colts secondary is fucked, and I think they will get shredded by the Pats and the Saints.
Total points scored over 8 games
1 New England Patriots 8 225 225 28.1 8 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 22 17 0 1
2 Indianapolis Colts8 27.1 217 217 27.1 8 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 25 12 0 0
3 Houston Texans 9 23.9 215 215 23.9 7 17 0 1 0 1 0 0 25 10 1 1
4 Baltimore Ravens 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 11 12 0 1 1 1 0 0 26 8 0 0
4 San Diego Chargers 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 5 14 1 0 1 1 0 1 23 15 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 24.4 195 195 24.4 6 15 0 0 2 1 0 0 24 9 0 0
Total points allowed over 8 games
1 Indianapolis Colts 8 13.5 108 108 13.5 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 0
2 New England Patriots 8 14.4 115 115 14.4 2 9 0 0 1 1 0 0 13 8 0 0
3 Denver Broncos 8 15.5 124 124 15.5 3 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 13 11 0 0
4 New York Jets 8 16.8 134 134 16.8 4 5 0 2 1 3 0 0 14 10 0 0
5 Cincinnati Bengals 8 16.9 135 135 16.9 4 10 0 0 2 0 0 0 15 8 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 17.4 139 139 17.4 2 9 0 2 2 2 0 0 14 7 0 1
Not forgetting about the Pats but I think that with the Steelers remaining schedule, they should cruise to at least the AFC's #2 seed. And until the Colts lose, they're in the driver's seat.
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Agreed, but the colts are going to have a tough time winning a sb with most of their secondary on ir. Imo:
Saints - Colts
Saints - Pats
Saints - Steelers
Unless the Saints have to play in bad weather in the playoffs (Philadelphia), they are all but a lock for the SB. As for the AFC, going to Indy would hurt the Steelers but help the Pats. The Pats O is high powered enough to do serious damage in a dome. Infact, they have some insane winning percentage in domes. The steelers need to rely on their defense more and that dome will favor the colts, imo.
This may be all for not, because we'll see what's what after the Colts play the Pats and the Saints.
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Agreed, but the colts are going to have a tough time winning a sb with most of their secondary on ir. Imo:
Saints - Colts
Saints - Pats
Saints - Steelers
Unless the Saints have to play in bad weather in the playoffs (Philadelphia), they are all but a lock for the SB. As for the AFC, going to Indy would hurt the Steelers but help the Pats. The Pats O is high powered enough to do serious damage in a dome. Infact, they have some insane winning percentage in domes. The steelers need to rely on their defense more and that dome will favor the colts, imo.
This may be all for not, because we'll see what's what after the Colts play the Pats and the Saints.
No mention of the Vikings? If they get the #1 seed in the Metrodome they're a lock for the SB over the Saints, I think. The Saints have definate weaknesses in their running game and ability to control the clock and grind out wins with a lead. Most of their games will be high-scoring, which gives the opponent a chance to stay in the game. The Vikings on the other hand, have a much better defense than the Saints do.
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No mention of the Vikings? If they get the #1 seed in the Metrodome they're a lock for the SB over the Saints, I think. The Saints have definate weaknesses in their running game and ability to control the clock and grind out wins with a lead. Most of their games will be high-scoring, which gives the opponent a chance to stay in the game. The Vikings on the other hand, have a much better defense than the Saints do.
You're right, I forgot the Vikings. How the hell did I manage that one? Honestly, I can't argue with anything that you said.
Vikings - Colts, Pats, Steelers = most likely imo.
The NFC has the edge this year.
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Total points scored over 8 games
1 New England Patriots 8 225 225 28.1 8 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 22 17 0 1
2 Indianapolis Colts8 27.1 217 217 27.1 8 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 25 12 0 0
3 Houston Texans 9 23.9 215 215 23.9 7 17 0 1 0 1 0 0 25 10 1 1
4 Baltimore Ravens 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 11 12 0 1 1 1 0 0 26 8 0 0
4 San Diego Chargers 8 25.8 206 206 25.8 5 14 1 0 1 1 0 1 23 15 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 24.4 195 195 24.4 6 15 0 0 2 1 0 0 24 9 0 0
Total points allowed over 8 games
1 Indianapolis Colts 8 13.5 108 108 13.5 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 0
2 New England Patriots 8 14.4 115 115 14.4 2 9 0 0 1 1 0 0 13 8 0 0
3 Denver Broncos 8 15.5 124 124 15.5 3 7 1 1 1 0 0 0 13 11 0 0
4 New York Jets 8 16.8 134 134 16.8 4 5 0 2 1 3 0 0 14 10 0 0
5 Cincinnati Bengals 8 16.9 135 135 16.9 4 10 0 0 2 0 0 0 15 8 0 0
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 17.4 139 139 17.4 2 9 0 2 2 2 0 0 14 7 0 1
still second in our division and 5 and 4 >:(
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You're right, I forgot the Vikings. How the hell did I manage that one? Honestly, I can't argue with anything that you said.
Vikings - Colts, Pats, Steelers = most likely imo.
The NFC has the edge this year.
GO VICKINGS!!!!! Definitly rooting for them this year.
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still second in our division and 5 and 4 >:(
Nothing to be ashamed of. Houston has a lot of talent. Conner Barwin was a guy I was hoping the Pats would draft. Hindsight 20/20, I'm glad they took Butler.
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Agreed, but the colts are going to have a tough time winning a sb with most of their secondary on ir. Imo:
Saints - Colts
Saints - Pats
Saints - Steelers
Unless the Saints have to play in bad weather in the playoffs (Philadelphia), they are all but a lock for the SB. As for the AFC, going to Indy would hurt the Steelers but help the Pats. The Pats O is high powered enough to do serious damage in a dome. Infact, they have some insane winning percentage in domes. The steelers need to rely on their defense more and that dome will favor the colts, imo.
This may be all for not, because we'll see what's what after the Colts play the Pats and the Saints.
With the injury to Sanders, and the Colts run defense, I can see the Stillers winning in the RCA dome. They did it in playoffs previously. Defense, emerging running game, and Big Ben with better weapons.
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Ravens cut kicker Steven Hauschka today. Good riddance. This kid is simply just not ready for primetime and he has an obvious lack of confidence right now. It was for the best. Several misses over the last few weeks, including one miss that cost the Ravens a win.
Its all on coach Harbaugh. He didn't want Stover or want two kickers on the roster like last season. Stover was money inside the 45 yard line and Hauschka boomed the 50+ yarders. You only get to suit up 53 players on gameday so he didn't want an extra roster spot going to a kicker. I get that.....but he should have held on to Stover. The last holdover from the Browns team that moved to Baltimore in 1995.
Stover, despite being 41 years old, can still kick effectively. In fact, many of the league's most accurate kickers have been over the age of 40. Stover may even hold onto the job with the Colts for the rest of the season. Is Vinatieri on injured reserve? I don't even know......
Karma is a bitch and I expect this Sunday against the Colts to involve Stover in some capacity to where it might impact the result of the game. Man, I hope I'm wrong.
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No Big Ben or Troy suiting up to play the Ravens. The birds should dominate at home. At least, I hope they do. :-\
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I feel the same way you do. I payed big money for those tickets and I want to see the best play.
The thing that sucks is that the Ravens will get no respect whether they win or lose. If they win, it was because Ben and Troy wern't playing. If they lose, then they suck even worse than their harshest critics may have predicted.
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well if dennis dixon didn't get hurt in college, he might have won a heisman and a national title at oregon
at least you get to see him live in person :D
guess who the steelers signed to back him up, tyler palko
the guy that made flacco transfer to delaware
so you might get to see two college studs live in person :)
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Dennis Dixon is a pretty good athlete for sure. He played pretty well up until he threw that INT at the end of the game. The Steelers defense was up in Flacco's grill the whole game. 5 sacks? The Ravens didn't even get one which is surprising considering that the Steelers don't have the best O-line. They need Suggs against the Packers or else Aaron Rodgers will have a field day.
I'm just finally glad we beat you guys......
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Dennis Dixon is a pretty good athlete for sure. He played pretty well up until he threw that INT at the end of the game. The Steelers defense was up in Flacco's grill the whole game. 5 sacks? The Ravens didn't even get one which is surprising considering that the Steelers don't have the best O-line. They need Suggs against the Packers or else Aaron Rodgers will have a field day.
I'm just finally glad we beat you guys......
Did you see Harbaugh go for it on fourth down?
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Did you see Harbaugh go for it on fourth down?
I was at the game, bro. When Harbs sent out the punting team at first, the crowd went ape shit. When he heard the boos he quickly burned a time out and sent the offense back on the field. Then Rice took the short pass 44 yards and the Ravens were able to kick a field goal to tie the game.
If Ben would have played he probably wouldn't have thrown that interception in overtime. But at the same time, if Suggs was playing I highly doubt that Dixon would have been able to get outside on the edge and run in that touchdown.
Great game but the Ravens have their hands full against the Packers. If they win that game the last tough game they have are the Steelers on the road.
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Did you see Harbaugh go for it on fourth down?
i almost broke my sisters tv...dude for real...4th and 5...and rice damn near goes the difference. We look like shit when troy isnt in there..
I was suprised by the great plays by dixon and i dont really blame him.
If ben would have played it would have been different...Outside of Reed (who is so underrated its not funny) foxworth and washington are awful at best...
it was an awesome, but the huge names didnt play, Suggs, Troy or Ben...
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once again the "great" defense (just ask them, they'll tell you ::)) chokes in the final minutes
james farrior and casey hampton are old and tired, get rid of them and NEVER give a big extension to a defensive player that is older than 32
william gay plays like a gay every week, he makes me miss dewayne washington
every guy on defense is expendable when you can't maintain leads without polamalu, i wouldn't trade him for any defensive player in the league
dixon played well for a first start, but i knew he couldn't go a game plus OT without a turnover
he proved the O line isn't that bad by not getting sacked once
offensive coordinator bruce arians needs to be fired, dixon ran 4 times and made big plays each time, WHY NOT RUN HIM SOME MORE PLAY TO HIS FUCKING STRENGHTS
i've been sick of big ben's drama for years, apparently his teammates are too
i'm thinking 9 -7 at best, no playoffs
schedule looks pretty easy but there are no easy games when you lose to the chiefs ::)
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Troy definitely makes all the difference in the world on that defense. Definitely a one of a kind player, for sure.
I don't get what you mean by "Big Ben's drama". What are you referring to?
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I was at the game, bro. When Harbs sent out the punting team at first, the crowd went ape shit. When he heard the boos he quickly burned a time out and sent the offense back on the field. Then Rice took the short pass 44 yards and the Ravens were able to kick a field goal to tie the game.
If Ben would have played he probably wouldn't have thrown that interception in overtime. But at the same time, if Suggs was playing I highly doubt that Dixon would have been able to get outside on the edge and run in that touchdown.
Great game but the Ravens have their hands full against the Packers. If they win that game the last tough game they have are the Steelers on the road.
Like I said, when it works you're a hero, when it doesnt youre an idiot.
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Troy definitely makes all the difference in the world on that defense. Definitely a one of a kind player, for sure.
I don't get what you mean by "Big Ben's drama". What are you referring to?
whining about injuries when everybody that plays football is hurt
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whining about injuries when everybody that plays football is hurt
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yeah but concussions are a whole whole new ballgame when it comes to injuries. Concussions can end careers at an early stage if taken lightly. These days every precaution is taken, including sitting out games at the urging of a neurosurgeon. And rightly so. Do you how many millions are tied into these athletes?
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Like I said, when it works you're a hero, when it doesnt youre an idiot.
True, but the Ravens were not on their own 20 yard line. If they were, Harbaugh would have elected to punt. There was still 3 minutes to play. I don't think you can compare both situations.
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I can't help but think that, but for a few lapses, this team could be 6-1 or 7-0.
I think every team should have the right to have Ray Lewis run the middle of their defense for a day.
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What an ugly loss for the Ravens. 11 pass interference penalties between both teams? RIDICULOUS.
Not a banner year for the AFC North. 6-6 going into December is not what I envisioned for the 2009 season. People need to remember that Flacco is still a second year player with still a lot ot learn. Those interceptions in the fourth quarter were horrible.
Need to run the table and try to get to 10 wins to have any shot at the postseason.
Lions, Bears, Steelers(not hopeful of winning that), and Raiders. Very possible to run the table but we need the Steelers to completely fall apart.
What a shitty season.......... :(
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one more win and the bengals clinch the afc north ???
i thought cowher was a retard when he said last january "watch out for the bengals next season"
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one more win and the bengals clinch the afc north ???
i thought cowher was a retard when he said last january "watch out for the bengals next season"
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They have quite a few additions on defense this year. Tank Johnson, The rookie samoan kid out of USC and Rivers is back for a full season.
I still don't think they'll make a dent in the playoffs this year. But Marvin Lewis saved his job for another 2-3 years. His ass was on the chopping block.
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They have quite a few additions on defense this year. Tank Johnson, The rookie samoan kid out of USC and Rivers is back for a full season.
I still don't think they'll make a dent in the playoffs this year. But Marvin Lewis saved his job for another 2-3 years. His ass was on the chopping block.
I miss Tank in Dallas. He was very verbal, which pressed the wrong buttons at times. I had no problem with it though. In the 3-4 DT's are limited.
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I can say without a doubt that I am embarrassed to be a Ravens fan today. What a ridiculous loss.
An interception return for a touchdown wiped away because of a block in the back. A 14 yard touchdown run by Willis Mcgahee wiped away with a stupid holding penalty by a receiver who wasn't even involved with the play. And finally the coup to grace....Mason drops an easy touchdown catch because he was probably busy rehearsing his touchdown dance in his mind.
And over 100 yards in penalties to boot, including two incredibly stupid personal foul penalties. I'm having a hard time believing John Harbaugh has any control over this team. in fact...there's no way that he does. The Ravens don't deserve to be or belong in the playoffs.
Maybe Big Ben's blond, frosted, child molesting hair style was the Ravens' Achilles heel today. Or maybe it was the light brown mustache he is attempting to grow. Who knows for sure.....
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I can say without a doubt that I am embarrassed to be a Ravens fan today. What a ridiculous loss.
An interception return for a touchdown wiped away because of a block in the back. A 14 yard touchdown run by Willis Mcgahee wiped away with a stupid holding penalty by a receiver who wasn't even involved with the play. And finally the coup to grace....Mason drops an easy touchdown catch because he was probably busy rehearsing his touchdown dance in his mind.
And over 100 yards in penalties to boot, including two incredibly stupid personal foul penalties. I'm having a hard time believing John Harbaugh has any control over this team. in fact...there's no way that he does. The Ravens don't deserve to be or belong in the playoffs.
Maybe Big Ben's blond, frosted, child molesting hair style was the Ravens' Achilles heel today. Or maybe it was the light brown mustache he is attempting to grow. Who knows for sure.....
DESPITE shooting themselves in the foot for 5 losses in row,at least if pitt finishes 9-7 it something to show for all that shit playing,big ben is having a huge offeensive season ,but his stats were never needed this big ,i would take 3 more wins over the 4000 yd passing season he is having.
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I can say without a doubt that I am embarrassed to be a Ravens fan today. What a ridiculous loss.
An interception return for a touchdown wiped away because of a block in the back. A 14 yard touchdown run by Willis Mcgahee wiped away with a stupid holding penalty by a receiver who wasn't even involved with the play. And finally the coup to grace....Mason drops an easy touchdown catch because he was probably busy rehearsing his touchdown dance in his mind.
And over 100 yards in penalties to boot, including two incredibly stupid personal foul penalties. I'm having a hard time believing John Harbaugh has any control over this team. in fact...there's no way that he does. The Ravens don't deserve to be or belong in the playoffs.
Maybe Big Ben's blond, frosted, child molesting hair style was the Ravens' Achilles heel today. Or maybe it was the light brown mustache he is attempting to grow. Who knows for sure.....
You guys really won that game. Dude, Walker on that illegal contact hurt. Masons drop were the killers. Why the fuck was he wide open again...oh yeah... No Tyrone carter was in there...lord have mercy.
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PLAYOFFS. A return trip to New England.
Anything can happen in the dance. Baltimore proved that last season by playing as #6 seed and making it to the conference championship. All you need to do is punch your ticket.
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Well....Now that Welker is not playing, I'd say the Ravens' chance of pulling the upset gets a little better. Edleman doesn't replace 120+ catches. The last time these two teams played the Ravens played undisciplined with too many penalties. Ray Rice had a 100 yard game on like, 12 carries. Rice is the key. If he plays well, the Ravens will play well. But beating NE on the road will be very tough, no doubt.
The Ravens starting DB's are crap with Carr and Foxworth. But hopefully Ed Reed can make a difference. But he's been playing hurt all season.
The Ravens are 0-5 all-time against the Patriots. But the last two games could have gone the Ravens way. They have to break the jinx sometime so it might as well be now. I'll say the Ravens catch some breaks during the game and pull the upset. Ravens 24, Patriots 21.
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Well....Now that Welker is not playing, I'd say the Ravens' chance of pulling the upset gets a little better. Edleman doesn't replace 120+ catches. The last time these two teams played the Ravens played undisciplined with too many penalties. Ray Rice had a 100 yard game on like, 12 carries. Rice is the key. If he plays well, the Ravens will play well. But beating NE on the road will be very tough, no doubt.
The Ravens starting DB's are crap with Carr and Foxworth. But hopefully Ed Reed can make a difference. But he's been playing hurt all season.
I'll say the Ravens catch some breaks during the game and pull the upset. Ravens 24, Patriots 21.
You guys need a quality DB two names come to mind Donovan Warren or Joe Hayden 8)
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Well....Now that Welker is not playing, I'd say the Ravens' chance of pulling the upset gets a little better. Edleman doesn't replace 120+ catches. The last time these two teams played the Ravens played undisciplined with too many penalties. Ray Rice had a 100 yard game on like, 12 carries. Rice is the key. If he plays well, the Ravens will play well. But beating NE on the road will be very tough, no doubt.
The Ravens starting DB's are crap with Carr and Foxworth. But hopefully Ed Reed can make a difference. But he's been playing hurt all season.
The Ravens are 0-5 all-time against the Patriots. But the last two games could have gone the Ravens way. They have to break the jinx sometime so it might as well be now. I'll say the Ravens catch some breaks during the game and pull the upset. Ravens 24, Patriots 21.
Edlemen went for over 100 yards today in the slot vs a better team than the Ravens, and he's about 20 lb's heavier and 2-3 inches taller than Welker. He's not as good as Welker (who is) but he's about 70 percent of him. He will give you problems, but NE is really banged up, so you might pull it off. Keep in mind Edlemen was a QB in college and he's a rookie. He's going to be a very good player. I'd say his understanding of coverage is why he is so advanced at this point.
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Edlemen went for over 100 yards today in the slot vs a better team than the Ravens, and he's about 20 lb's heavier and 3 inches taller than welker. He's no Welker but he's about 70 percent of him. He will give you problems, but NE is really banged up, so you might pull it off.
Even Brady has been playing with three ribs. :o Pats have no defense except for chang
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Even Brady has been playing with three ribs. :o Pats have no defense except for chang
Yes, they do...Wilfork, Warren and Bodden were out today. The pats d is very young right now. Check the stats...they aren't great, but they are far better than you are making it seem.
Chung is not even close to their best defensive player right now. Mayo was just DFROTY and then he got hurt...Meriweather is a top saftey in the NFL, Bodden has great numbers, Banta Cain has ten sacks - etc, etc. The team has a shitload of rookies with a lot of upside. They need another pass rusher, because without that nothing works.
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Yes, they do...Wilfork, Warren and Bodden were out today. The pats d is very young right now. Check the stats...they aren't great, but they are far better than you are making it seem.
Chung is not even close to their best defensive player right now. Mayo was just DFROTY and then he got hurt...Meriweather is a top saftey in the NFL, Bodden has great numbers, Banta Cain has ten sacks - etc, etc. The team has a shitload of rookies with a lot of upside. They need another pass rusher, because without that nothing works.
Look at Brandon Graham!! I would love to see him on the pats squad!! He is a 4 year starter and a phenomenal pass rusher and he has never been in any off the field incidents.
You need a punter - Zoltan Mesko another great
You need a DB that could be a year long project - Donovan Warren - JR but has all the skills to be a good DB and with the Pats work ethic - even Better!!
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Look at Brandon Graham!! I would love to see him on the pats squad!! He is a 4 year starter and a phenomenal pass rusher and he has never been in any off the field incidents.
You need a punter - Zoltan Mesko another great
You need a DB that could be a year long project - Donovan Warren - JR but has all the skills to be a good DB and with the Pats work ethic - even Better!!
The Pats need a pass rusher that can step in make an impact. If Graham is that guy, sign him up. You're right about a punter, also....they guy we have now is putrid. They don't need anymore project db's, that was Butler this year and wilhite the year before. Butler is going to be a top level player. The secondary is fine, there is a lot of talent back there and it's very young. What they need is another OLB and a few pass rushers, because I don't care if you have Revis and Bailey back there, if the qb has time to throw passes get completed. You can't expect qb to hold wr's and te's for 5 seconds.
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As long as Derrick Mason remembers how to catch, I like Baltimore's chances. If the Texans can pound the ball down the Patriots throats throat, the Ravens sure can.
I'm sure the Ravens are DYING for a rematch with the Colts. That 15-6 loss must still be lingering in their heads. Manning had perhaps his WORST postseason performance ever; yet the Colts won. That's got to hurt.
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The loss of Welker is gonna hurt.
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The loss of Welker is gonna hurt.
No doubt...but they have a player who can give you 70- 75% of what Welker does. Edlemen went for over 100 yards in the slot vs the Texans. Also, keep in mind the pats have Faulk, who can play in the slot and they have hidden most of their two tight end sets over the course of the year. They have plenty of offensive weapons.
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As long as Derrick Mason remembers how to catch, I like Baltimore's chances. If the Texans can pound the ball down the Patriots throats throat, the Ravens sure can.
I'm sure the Ravens are DYING for a rematch with the Colts. That 15-6 loss must still be lingering in their heads. Manning had perhaps his WORST postseason performance ever; yet the Colts won. That's got to hurt.
The Patriots sat their two pro bowl defensive linemen last week (one of which is the best nose tackle in the NFL) and their best corner. The patriots are pretty good against the run....did you see them shutdown Jones Drew the week before? The Ravens won't win with the run. They might win, but it won't be with the run, imo.
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As long as Derrick Mason remembers how to catch, I like Baltimore's chances. If the Texans can pound the ball down the Patriots throats throat, the Ravens sure can.
I'm sure the Ravens are DYING for a rematch with the Colts. That 15-6 loss must still be lingering in their heads. Manning had perhaps his WORST postseason performance ever; yet the Colts won. That's got to hurt.
Worst loss ever. I was at that game and believe me, it stung a lot of fans. 13-3 regular season and the #2 seed. We had no offense that day but the Ravens defense was stifiling and killing anything the Colts could muster. Mcnair threw a devastating INT near the Colts goalline that pretty much sealed the loss. We would have played the Patriots for the AFC title in Baltimore had we won.
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I think that was baltimore's best team ever
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I think that was baltimore's best team ever
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Might have been their best team ever. They were absolutely loaded on defense that year. Adalius Thomas, Ray Lewis, and Bart Scott at LB and Samari Rolle and Mcalister in their prime, starting at CB. Mcnair was a spark all season that year but completely tanked once the playoffs started.
But beating Peyton Manning isn't easy. The Colts could have went 16-0 this year but decided not to. They have two players with 100 catches on offense. all because of Manning. He's an absolute stud.
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Might have been their best team ever. They were absolutely loaded on defense that year. Adalius Thomas, Ray Lewis, and Bart Scott at LB and Samari Rolle and Mcalister in their prime, starting at CB. Mcnair was a spark all season that year but completely tanked once the playoffs started.
But beating Peyton Manning isn't easy. The Colts could have went 16-0 this year but decided not to. They have two players with 100 catches on offense. all because of Manning. He's an absolute stud.
He is a stud, but he also has many more weapons than people want to admit. His offensive line is by far the best in the NFL...they've allowed TEN sacks all season. He's still got Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne (who is having a huge year), plus to pretty good backs in Brown and Addai. His defense has two of the NFL's best pass rushers, a great Lb in Bathea and a good corner in Hayden. Manning is a BEAST, but people are acting as if his team sucks, which is laughable.
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Might have been their best team ever. They were absolutely loaded on defense that year. Adalius Thomas, Ray Lewis, and Bart Scott at LB and Samari Rolle and Mcalister in their prime, starting at CB. Mcnair was a spark all season that year but completely tanked once the playoffs started.
But beating Peyton Manning isn't easy. The Colts could have went 16-0 this year but decided not to. They have two players with 100 catches on offense. all because of Manning. He's an absolute stud.
That's why I said that loss in 2006 playoffs had to sting something awful.
Let's face it. For all his regular season accomplishment (he's a Fantasy Football player's dream), Manning plays like absolute GARBAGE in the post-season. He has choked year after year after year.
The only difference between all the other years and '06 is that his defense and special teams (especially Adam Vinateri) saved his behind, when he was throwing picks, left and right.
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That's why I said that loss in 2006 playoffs had to sting something awful.
Let's face it. For all his regular season accomplishment (he's a Fantasy Football player's dream), Manning plays like absolute GARBAGE in the post-season. He has choked year after year after year.
The only difference between all the other years and '06 is that his defense and special teams (especially Adam Vinateri) saved his behind, when he was throwing picks, left and right.
Ummm, in 2006 he won himself a little 'ol Super Bowl title......Manning is the one guy you want to lead a team in the clutch. He's up there with the best in today's NFL.
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Ummm, in 2006 he won himself a little 'ol Super Bowl title......Manning is the one guy you want to lead a team in the clutch. He's up there with the best in today's NFL.
Manning is among the best ever. But as a whole, he has played very poor in the playoffs. He's been bad a lot more than he's been good.
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2006 was an abberation
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yes the colts have a history of underachieving in the playoffs
2006 was an abberation
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To have won 12+ games fors the last 6 years and only have 1 sb to show for it is pretty crappy.
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Manning is among the best ever. But as a whole, he has played very poor in the playoffs. He's been bad a lot more than he's been good.
That's my point. Yes, Manning has a ring. But, as I said, he's played AWFUL in the playoffs. Look at the 2006 playoffs.
NO touchdowns, 3 pics in the Wildcard game vs. KC
NO touchdowns, 3 pics in the Divisional game vs. Baltimore.
The first half of the AFC title game against New England, an interception for a TD and some horrible throws.
The big difference between those other years and 2006 is that defense and special teams FINALLY got it together. In fact, they had to do so in 2006, to atone for Manning's early mistakes.
Manning didn't really get his head right, until that second half of the AFC title game.
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Despite his playoff record and performance, there are very few QB's other than Peyton that I would love leading my team. Just saying....
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ravens came to play today...rice is dope...oh shit..stripped ball...what the hell..3 man rush
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Ravens advance! I love how all of these "experts" on NFL live, NFL network and CBS all picking the Patriots. Keep pushing those pencils boys.
Can the Ravens beat a #1 seed on the road for a second consecutive year?
Why not? Every team is 0-0 when the postseason starts.
GO RAVENS
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colts should win but i think they may regret taking off the last couple weeks
lets looks eerily familiar to the 05 season when you know who won it all ;)
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colts should win but i think they may regret taking off the last couple weeks
lets looks eerily familiar to the 05 season when you know who won it all ;)
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Hey, the Patriots should have won today but they didn't. I hope the Peyton Manning playoff futility version shows up next Saturday night.
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Hey, the Patriots should have won today but they didn't. I hope the Peyton Manning playoff futility version shows up next Saturday night.
I know your being facetious, but the Patriots should have given back all their game checks today. Talk about a beatdown, lol.
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I think all the home teams are to cold for the teams that won over the weekend. SD was hot near the end of the season but they may have cooled off and New Orleans, Indy, and Minn have proven they CAn get beaten. Respectively Warner looks like an unbeatable qb right now, Baltimore's D looks like they can dismantle Peyton, and I know Dallas knows if everyone does there job its a win.
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Ravens win in a stunning upset tonight!!!
GO RAVENS!!!
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Ravens win in a stunning upset tonight!!!
GO RAVENS!!!
sorry guts I was pulling for them but the ravens did as much to lose the game as the colts did to win the game :-[
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Ravens win in a stunning upset tonight!!!
GO RAVENS!!!
I wanna see Peyton Manning get his legs broke!! I was rooting for the Ravens also and they only have one player from Michigan on their squad. I hope that the Ravens invest in some WR'S.
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Ed Reed looked and tired and may Retire...Hope he returns.
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Hats off to the Colts defense. They played lights out. The Ravens' have no downfield threat to stretch the defense and all of those dump offs to Ray Rice couldn't make up for it.
Peyton Manning just flat out owns the Ravens, plain and simple.
I'm bummed out but the Colts are obviously the better team. It's all good. But the Ravens will need to make a few changes this year. Their biggest offseason need is a breakout WR with SPEED.
The positives....Ray Rice is a superstar in the making. Joe Flacco will be coming into his third season and should make even bigger strides heading into next season. The O-line has the potential to be the among the best in the league, I truly believe that. Ray Lewis made all-pro and played in all 16 games at age 34. But how much longer can he continue to play at a high level? Derrick Mason's contract is up and he will not be re-signed. Ed Reed is still playing at a high level as well at age 31 but is talking retirement because of numerours ailments.
Lots of changes are coming but the Ravens should be in a position to contend in 2010. Happy to make the playoffs for a second consecutive year and win a playoff game but this season had higher expectations that were not met.
Hopefully, the third year's the charm with Harbaugh's regime.
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On behalf of the Saints, I want to say thanks to all the haters!
WHO DAT!
We beat the saints and the colts had a hard time,
my prediction
SAINTS OVER THE COLTS!!!!
NFC
LETS GO!!!!
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Remember Musa Smith?
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Remember Musa Smith?
Sure. Played in at the University of Georgia and was drafted by the Ravens in the third round in 2003. Sufferd a nasty compound fracture of his tibia at a game in 2004. ( I was at the game it wasn't pretty.)
Might be still playing if not for tat injury. He's only 27 years old now ut out of the NFL.
What about him?
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Sure. Played in at the University of Georgia and was drafted by the Ravens in the third round in 2003. Sufferd a nasty compound fracture of his tibia at a game in 2004. ( I was at the game it wasn't pretty.)
Might be still playing if not for tat injury. He's only 27 years old now ut out of the NFL.
What about him?
You don't know how he fractured his fibula? It was a nasty break one of Roy's top 5
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You don't know how he fractured his fibula? It was a nasty break one of Roy's top 5
Yeah....against the Cowboys. Sucked losing him at that point in the season because he was really good on special teams and added depth behing Jamal Lewis. We were smashing the Cowboys in that game, too. Sucks to lose a valuable player on your team for the season in a blowout win.
Roy Williams is a piece of shit. So overrated. His best years were when he was playing alongside Darren Woodson, who covered up all of his mistakes in pass coverage.
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Yeah....against the Cowboys. Sucked losing him at that point in the season because he was really good on special teams and added depth behing Jamal Lewis. We were smashing the Cowboys in that game, too. Sucks to lose a valuable player on your team for the season in a blowout win.
Roy Williams is a piece of shit. So overrated. His best years were when he was playing alongside Darren Woodson, who covered up all of his mistakes in pass coverage.
There was nothing to smash, its just your luck we always suck when we play Baltimore. The last time we ever beat any team in Baltimore, I was in the 8th grade.
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There was nothing to smash, its just your luck we always suck when we play Baltimore. The last time we ever beat any team in Baltimore, I was in the 8th grade.
Don't confuse luck with playing against a better team. The Cowboys were terrible during the 2004 season.
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Don't confuse luck with playing against a better team. The Cowboys were terrible during the 2004 season.
We were in a state of confusion at QB. Carter (who had a promissing season in 2003)was suppose to start but got in drug trouble. Vinnie was at the end of his road and Romo was still reading play books and watching Favre, Aikman and Montana films. But in defense of my dog ROY, he was a linebacker who demanded to play safety. Parcells killed Roy moving Dallas to the 3-4. Before Bill got there we were a 4-3 with Roy in the box destroying rbs and Qb's. Woodson did nothing for Roy that Bates did not do for Woodson.
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Ravens re-sign Mason to a 2 year deal. Excellent news. What was once a weakness is looking like a strength. Now they just need to draft Gresham out of Oklahoma and the Ravens will be extremely prolific on offense in 2010.
Still need another pass rusher and a veteran CB to shore up the D. But Ozzie Newsome knows what he's doing. Can't wait for next season!
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Ravens re-sign Mason to a 2 year deal. Excellent news. What was once a weakness is looking like a strength. Now they just need to draft Gresham out of Oklahoma and the Ravens will be extremely prolific on offense in 2010.
Still need another pass rusher and a veteran CB to shore up the D. But Ozzie Newsome knows what he's doing. Can't wait for next season!
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Who cares about the OLD BROWNS?
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Who cares about the OLD BROWNS?
hahahahaha...cowboys suck...but i did hear something about o.j. comin from st louis rams...he is pretty dope. Hamlin is on the way out.
I sure hope we get some DB's. We got a back up safety, but we need corners BAD...fuckin ravens trying to get a god damn WR corps... homos
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Who cares about the OLD BROWNS?
I do. Baltimore has always been deserving of a football team. Ever hear of the Baltimore Colts? Yeah...they're now called the Indianapolis Colts. Those fucking hicks even took the Colts name to Indiana. Did we take the Brown's name? No.
We didn't steal anyone's tradition. We simply moved the franchise to another city. And last time I checked, the "mistake by the lake", known as the Cleveland Browns had their football team back.
By the way...looking forward to playing in Dallas' stadium at next year's Superbowl.
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hahahahaha...cowboys suck...but i did hear something about o.j. comin from st louis rams...he is pretty dope. Hamlin is on the way out.
I sure hope we get some DB's. We got a back up safety, but we need corners BAD...fuckin ravens trying to get a god damn WR corps... homos
Steelers will suck ass in 2010. Don't take this Rapelisberger news lightly. I'm thinking he's going to be in serious trouble when all the facts come out.
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Steelers will suck ass in 2010. Don't take this Rapelisberger news lightly. I'm thinking he's going to be in serious trouble when all the facts come out.
keep dreaming, nothing will happen to ben he has the same guy that defended ray lewis
and with a healthy team your ravens still can't compete with the mighty steelers
carry on now
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hahahahaha...cowboys suck...but i did hear something about o.j. comin from st louis rams...he is pretty dope. Hamlin is on the way out.
I sure hope we get some DB's. We got a back up safety, but we need corners BAD...fuckin ravens trying to get a god damn WR corps... homos
Ken Hamlin is on the way out because Mike Hamlin is ready to play. Dallas is the team that made it clear the Saints were really nothing.
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I do. Baltimore has always been deserving of a football team. Ever hear of the Baltimore Colts? Yeah...they're now called the Indianapolis Colts. Those fucking hicks even took the Colts name to Indiana. Did we take the Brown's name? No.
We didn't steal anyone's tradition. We simply moved the franchise to another city. And last time I checked, the "mistake by the lake", known as the Cleveland Browns had their football team back.
By the way...looking forward to playing in Dallas' stadium at next year's Superbowl.
Funny your looking fwd to it because we will be playing Indianappolis (Baltimore's FIRST TEAM) in that game.
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Steelers will suck ass in 2010. Don't take this Rapelisberger news lightly. I'm thinking he's going to be in serious trouble when all the facts come out.
Is Flacco neutered?
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keep dreaming, nothing will happen to ben he has the same guy that defended ray lewis
and with a healthy team your ravens still can't compete with the mighty steelers
carry on now
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AFC SUCKS Your best couldn't even beat the SAINTS!!!!!!
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keep dreaming, nothing will happen to ben he has the same guy that defended ray lewis
and with a healthy team your ravens still can't compete with the mighty steelers
carry on now
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We shall see, my friend.
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AFC SUCKS Your best couldn't even beat the SAINTS!!!!!!
your team got crushed by the team the saints beat in the nfc title game
got 6? ;D
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your team got crushed by the team the saints beat in the nfc title game
got 6? ;D
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My team beat the Saints in their own pathetic dump of a stadium. And it COULD have been a shut out but we sat back and relaxed. The 2 Eagle games were too much to ask for. No one and I mean NO ONE ELSE can beat Philly 2 weeks in a row. This years Eagle team would have blasted Pittsburgh.
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My team beat the Saints in their own pathetic dump of a stadium. And it COULD have been a shut out but we sat back and relaxed. The 2 Eagle games were too much to ask for. No one and I mean NO ONE ELSE can beat Philly 2 weeks in a row. This years Eagle team would have blasted Pittsburgh.
the eagles had ZERO wins against teams with a winning record, steelers finished 9 -7 so you are wrong again :P
and the steelers got "blasted" by no one, every loss aside from cleveland (where they didn't show up) was a 4th quarter collapse by the secondary
they would've finished 14 - 2 with a healthy polamalu
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eagles beat the gmen when they were 5-2 last year
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the eagles had ZERO wins against teams with a winning record, steelers finished 9 -7 so you are wrong again :P
and the steelers got "blasted" by no one, every loss aside from cleveland (where they didn't show up) was a 4th quarter collapse by the secondary
they would've finished 14 - 2 with a healthy polamalu
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That's a bold statement, Earl. But no way the Steelers would have won 14 games. Ridiculous......Polamalu's absence wasn't the sole reason the Steelers won only 9 games. He's irreplaceable, I'll give you that. Pretty much the only player i would consider taking over Ed Reed at his position.
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the eagles had ZERO wins against teams with a winning record, steelers finished 9 -7 so you are wrong again :P
and the steelers got "blasted" by no one, every loss aside from cleveland (where they didn't show up) was a 4th quarter collapse by the secondary
they would've finished 14 - 2 with a healthy polamalu
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Well Gay, Townsend and Carter are all free agents. We got Will Allen from TB. At this point, anyone is an upgrade from Carter. We need Hayden in the draft and another Corner in the 3rd or 4th round. And we will soon be crowned 7 time SB champs.
I see what Balt is trying to do. Get stallworth to strecth the field and Mason to Run good routes while Bolden be the utility guy...Good stragety because they know we bust them in the mouth on the ground..But the secondary will be better as well.
But my pick would really be TOBY G from Stanford...reminds me of Riggins ( not only because he is white) ..One cut and GO!!!!!! and if you are in the way...you get ran over. BOOM!!!!
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That's a bold statement, Earl. But no way the Steelers would have won 14 games. Ridiculous......Polamalu's absence wasn't the sole reason the Steelers won only 9 games. He's irreplaceable, I'll give you that. Pretty much the only player i would consider taking over Ed Reed at his position.
the cleveland game is the only game they were losing from start to finish, every other loss they had a lead in the 4th quarter but the secondary couldn't defend
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That's a bold statement, Earl. But no way the Steelers would have won 14 games. Ridiculous......Polamalu's absence wasn't the sole reason the Steelers won only 9 games. He's irreplaceable, I'll give you that. Pretty much the only player i would consider taking over Ed Reed at his position.
Some announcer blamed Poly's injury for their losses. So all Steeler fans are using it.
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Well Gay, Townsend and Carter are all free agents. We got Will Allen from TB. At this point, anyone is an upgrade from Carter. We need Hayden in the draft and another Corner in the 3rd or 4th round. And we will soon be crowned 7 time SB champs.
I see what Balt is trying to do. Get stallworth to strecth the field and Mason to Run good routes while Bolden be the utility guy...Good stragety because they know we bust them in the mouth on the ground..But the secondary will be better as well.
But my pick would really be TOBY G from Stanford...reminds me of Riggins ( not only because he is white) ..One cut and GO!!!!!! and if you are in the way...you get ran over. BOOM!!!!
Why does Toby remind you of Riggo? Becausehe's white? ;D Whats funny is LINDY's compares Tebbow to McNabb
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Why does Toby remind you of Riggo? Becausehe's white? ;D Whats funny is LINDY's compares Tebbow to McNabb
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he runs hard and low and makes one cut and go...not a lot of dancin
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he runs hard and low and makes one cut and go...not a lot of dancin
Same thing.
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I hear the Ravens wanted Dez Bryant. :D
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kindle will be a good pick up for the ravens if he stays healthy will learn a great deal from lewis look for him to be a pro bowler in a year or two
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Kindle is gonna be another Demarcus!
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Yeah guys, but Kindle has had a problem staying healthy during his college career. Bad knees. ESPN reported that he may need microfracture surgery on his knee early in his career. A debilitating surgery for an athlete that relies on explosiveness.
A bona-fide top 20 pick if not for the injury concerns.....But I like the pick if he can stay healthy. Texas LB's can flat out BALL.
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kindle will be a good pick up for the ravens if he stays healthy will learn a great deal from lewis look for him to be a pro bowler in a year or two
yup...i think if he stays healthy he will fit right in with the ravens fast hard hitting defense...
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yup...i think if he stays healthy he will fit right in with the ravens fast hard hitting defense...
Blt called Jerry crying like a pus-c about Dallas taking their pick!
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yup...i think if he stays healthy he will fit right in with the ravens fast hard hitting defense...
He could put on some more mass.
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Blt called Jerry crying like a pus-c about Dallas taking their pick!
Whatever. Baltimore knows to draft. The Ravens are among the finest run organizations in the NFL. Every team in the NFL would agree with that, including plastic surgery posterboy, Jerry Jones.
The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you'll find a way to deal with it.
By the way...remember the last game ever played at Texas Stadium? I do. Fun day for me. ;D ;D ;D
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Whatever. Baltimore knows to draft. The Ravens are among the finest run organizations in the NFL. Every team in the NFL would agree with that, including plastic surgery posterboy, Jerry Jones.
The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you'll find a way to deal with it.
By the way...remember the last game ever played at Texas Stadium? I do. Fun day for me. ;D ;D ;D
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Ravens draft Terrance Cody out of Alabama. Can't believe he dropped that low but thank you. Makes up for Justin Bannan leaving as a free agent. 1st and 2nd down player but dominant against the run. Great depth behind Ngata and Kelley, too.
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Ravens draft Terrance Cody out of Alabama. Can't believe he dropped that low but thank you. Makes up for Justin Bannan leaving as a free agent. 1st and 2nd down player but dominant against the run. Great depth behind Ngata and Kelley, too.
I wanted him he fits the 3-4 big time and could spare Rat time on run plays.
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Ravens draft Terrance Cody out of Alabama. Can't believe he dropped that low but thank you. Makes up for Justin Bannan leaving as a free agent. 1st and 2nd down player but dominant against the run. Great depth behind Ngata and Kelley, too.
Ozzie Newsome is just the best GM in the NFL. Prescott Burgess is done, correct??
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Ozzie Newsome is just the best GM in the NFL. Prescott Burgess is done, correct??
Speaking of THE BROWNS, the just got a great RB.
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Speaking of THE BROWNS, the just got a great RB.
Speaking of THE COWBOYS, they just plain suck.....
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Ozzie Newsome is just the best GM in the NFL. Prescott Burgess is done, correct??
Pretty much. Burgess will have a hard time making the roster with Kimble in the fold.
Unless he's willing to play special teams.
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Speaking of THE COWBOYS, they just plain suck.....
5 xs mf >:(
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Some announcer blamed Poly's injury for their losses. So all Steeler fans are using it.
maybe because they won every game he finished (including the vikings game) and the secondary couldn't stop anybody when he wasn't in there
got 6?
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But I like the pick if he can stay healthy. Texas LB's can flat out BALL.
like who?
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maybe because they won every game he finished (including the vikings game) and the secondary couldn't stop anybody when he wasn't in there
got 6?
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He may be a Trojan, but he's not God. ::)
Got 5 and we look good...and we have a spanking new home....and our fans are hot...and our cheerleaders look fan-tastic...and we have Bryant, and we sell, and
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He may be a Trojan, but he's not God. ::)
Got 5 and we look good...and we have a spanking new home....and our fans are hot...and our cheerleaders look fan-tastic...and we have Bryant, and we sell, and
you don't think if he was healthy we're in the playoffs? clearly you didn't watch a single steeler game last year
yes i know you also have bbq, strip joints, and michael jackson was the halftime performance at one of your super bowls ::)
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you don't think if he was healthy we're in the playoffs? clearly you didn't watch a single steeler game last year
yes i know you also have bbq, strip joints, and michael jackson was the halftime performance at one of your super bowls ::)
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I think I saw one or was it an Iowa game? ::) But a strong safety is just that. And Yes Dallas has the best bbq and strip..er I mean Gentlemen Clubs and YES they WERE able to get the King of POP to perform at THE BEST HALF TIME SHOW EVER! They also had Gladys Knigh (a real singer) to sing the National Anthem before a Super Bowl, and they had Dian Ross perform at one. When your big, you get the best!
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I think I saw one or was it an Iowa game? ::) But a strong safety is just that. And Yes Dallas has the best bbq and strip..er I mean Gentlemen Clubs and YES they WERE able to get the King of POP to perform at THE BEST HALF TIME SHOW EVER! They also had Gladys Knigh (a real singer) to sing the National Anthem before a Super Bowl, and they had Dian Ross perform at one. When your big, you get the best!
exactly, you didn't watch the games and if you knew anything at all you would know the league is now a passing league, if you can't stop the pass you aren't going far
the super bowl performers are decided way in advance ::) ::)
please tell me you are joking about all of that
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exactly, you didn't watch the games and if you knew anything at all you would know the league is now a passing league, if you can't stop the pass you aren't going far
the super bowl performers are decided way in advance ::) ::)
please tell me you are joking about all of that
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Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs. I was going to say Orakpo of the Redskins but he's a DE. Not too many examples but I like the pick, nonetheless.
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You guys picked up a kid from my school. Ramon Harewood...is a big ass Tackle from the islands...Pretty damn good...but he is a project.
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You guys picked up a kid from my school. Ramon Harewood...is a big ass Tackle from the islands...Pretty damn good...but he is a project.
Yeah...a mountain of a man but very raw. Will be hard to make the roster out of training camp.
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Yeah...a mountain of a man but very raw. Will be hard to make the roster out of training camp.
Yeah...if he went to the jets i think he will have a better chance. Because Bill C is a good O-Line coach
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Yeah...if he went to the jets i think he will have a better chance. Because Bill C is a good O-Line coach
His sheer size alone might land him a spot on the practice squad. But it's all about footwork, lateral movement and how well he uses his hands in the NFL.
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His sheer size alone might land him a spot on the practice squad. But it's all about footwork, lateral movement and how well he uses his hands in the NFL.
Ive seen him kick though (you like that football talk huh :) ) ...would make a decent right tacke...he gets back there on that. good on 3 and 5 step drops...
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Ive seen him kick though (you like that football talk huh :) ) ...would make a decent right tacke...he gets back there on that. good on 3 and 5 step drops...
I was going to say the same thing about being better suited to play right tackle, especially in the run game. As big as he is, he could maul someone at the point of attack and just engulf smaller defenders.
But the pro level is a whole different story. His level of competition is about to take a giant leap up once he reports to camp.
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Not to brag but Cody will never be a Ratliff!
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Not to brag but Cody will never be a Ratliff!
Not many players are as good as Ratliff. Easily the second best player on that team behind Ware.
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Not many players are as good as Ratliff. Easily the second best player on that team behind Ware.
Dallas wants to move him to end so badly which is why they wanted Cody!
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He's more effective playing over center. Moving to end might not be a good move. That's probably why they're shopping Spears in a trade.
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He's more effective playing over center. Moving to end might not be a good move. That's probably why they're shopping Spears in a trade.
He is good but he will wear down playing the 1..I would move him to a 5 and let him get busy. He isnt the biggest 1/0 tech. 6'4 300...thats a good 3 tech but for nose. You need a fat shit like Mount Cody or something. I mean he can play it. But i think a few seasons at this will wear him out...
Also..check out a guy from the past named Curly Culp. He is my Grandmothers nephew from AZ State a long time ago. He was the first Nose Tackle in a 3-4 Defense.. Bum Phillips put him there.
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He's more effective playing over center. Moving to end might not be a good move. That's probably why they're shopping Spears in a trade.
Yeah they ever tried moving Spears to NT. I think the Saits may be trying for Spears when his price goes down.
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Ravens defense looked nasty last night. Offense needs work but they were playing the NFL's top defense last season. The Jets' offense is pathetic, Sanchez is now where close to the real deal at QB.
Ravens defense held the Jets to ONE 3rd down conversion all game. And the one conversion they gave up was late in the 4th quarter with the Safeties playing over the top.
Good win to start the season. Definitely a defensive statement game. Score probably should have been like 17-6 or something but I'll take the win, regardless.
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Ravens defense looked nasty last night. Offense needs work but they were playing the NFL's top defense last season. The Jets' offense is pathetic, Sanchez is now where close to the real deal at QB.
Ravens defense held the Jets to ONE 3rd down conversion all game. And the one conversion they gave up was late in the 4th quarter with the Safeties playing over the top.
Good win to start the season. Definitely a defensive statement game. Score probably should have been like 17-6 or something but I'll take the win, regardless.
1-0.
I was expecting alot more from the ravens, I really wasnt impressed with either team...
wtf is up with ray rice damn it?
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Ravens defense looked nasty last night.
Right about that...gonna be a good AFC North match up at the top...
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Right about that...gonna be a good AFC North match up at the top...
I feel good about the Ravens' chances against the Bengals on Sunday.
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I feel good about the Ravens' chances against the Bengals on Sunday.
secondary showed up..great game plan against the Jets...LT looked good though...Sanchez looked like a bag of smashed ass holes.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/14/ray-lewis-snubs-rex-ryan/
look at some of the responses
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Ray. Lewis.
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I think my neighbors heard me yelling after this one. :)
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I feel good about the Ravens' chances against the Bengals on Sunday.
Better get your "Popcorn Ready"
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/14/ray-lewis-snubs-rex-ryan/
look at some of the responses
Same old tired bullshit....."Ray's a murderer"......the general public outside of Baltimore are simply ignorant. That situation was over 10 years ago. He didn't kill anybody. Time to move on.
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Same old tired bullshit....."Ray's a murderer"......the general public outside of Baltimore are simply ignorant. That situation was over 10 years ago. He didn't kill anybody. Time to move on.
wasnt he an accomplice to a murder? or accessory ?
why was that even brought up though.
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wasnt he an accomplice to a murder? or accessory ?
why was that even brought up though.
haters...ray is 2nd best lber in the leauge...patrick willis is better...john beason is third after Ray...
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haters...ray is 2nd best lber in the leauge...patrick willis is better...john beason is third after Ray...
word up homie.
"fvCk dA H8teRZ"
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"fvCk dA H8teRZ"
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i have no clue as to what is supposed to spell
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I think my neighbors heard me yelling after this one. :)
Did anyone watch this?? He knocked the taste out of Keller's mouth.
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Did anyone watch this?? He knocked the taste out of Keller's mouth.
lol
keller didnt want none...he runs the slant and he looks to catch the ball..but out the corner of his eye he sees mr lewis and he draws his hands back...too late...BLAWWWWWW
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BLAWWWWWW
. . . how you like me now . . . .
I was ready to let him marry my daughter after that hit. :D
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Great win for the Ravens. That's two straight division wins and a big monkey off our back by winning in Pittsburgh. Could care less if not having Ben Rapelisberger play was the reason the Ravens won. A win is a win is a win.
Future hall of famer Ray Lewis seals the win with an interception. Yes, I'm feeling kinda Sunday, Sunday! ;D
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Great win for the Ravens. That's two straight division wins and a big monkey off our back by winning in Pittsburgh. Could care less if not having Ben Rapelisberger Rapelisberger Rapelisberger Rapelisberger Rapelisberger play was the reason the Ravens won. A win is a win is a win.
Future hall of famer Ray Lewis seals the win with an interception. Yes, I'm feeling kinda Sunday, Sunday! ;D
who ???
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who ???
Sorry...is it 'Rapelesberger'? Did I spell it wrong?
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Great win for the Ravens. That's two straight division wins and a big monkey off our back by winning in Pittsburgh. Could care less if not having Ben Rapelisberger play was the reason the Ravens won. A win is a win is a win.
Future hall of famer Ray Lewis seals the win with an interception. Yes, I'm feeling kinda Sunday, Sunday! ;D
right "great" win without the star qb ::)
you realize the ravens haven't beaten a big ben steeler team since 2006?
oh and how many times can michael oher go off sides before they finally call off sides?
as for "rapelesberger" lets not forget he was charged with nothing, unlike ray lewis arrested and put on trial for murder oh and donte stallworth a proven murderer
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right "great" win without the star qb ::)
you realize the ravens haven't beaten a big ben steeler team since 2006?
oh and how many times can michael oher go off sides before they finally call off sides?
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Like I give a fuck, Earl. As I said before, the Ravens weren't going to get any credit if they won because Fat Boy wasn't playing QB. But if the Ravens would have lost, we got beaten by a 4th string quarterback and we suck.
You would have been just as quick to come on here and gloat if they Ravens would have lost. Typical Steeler fan. See them all the time in every state. I'm the first guy to throw respect towards a good, opposing football team, win or lose. There's nothing that I hate about the Steelers football team per se. Great organization and front office and great coaching. It's the Steeler fans. Most of them are hillbilly white thrash. I almost vomited in my beer everytime the camera showed the Steelers fans in the stands. Holy fucking ugly.......
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Like I give a fuck, Earl. As I said before, the Ravens weren't going to get any credit if they won because Fat Boy wasn't playing QB. But if the Ravens would have lost, we got beaten by a 4th string quarterback and we suck.
You would have been just as quick to come on here and gloat if they Ravens would have lost. Typical Steeler fan. See them all the time in every state. I'm the first guy to throw respect towards a good, opposing football team, win or lose. There's nothing that I hate about the Steelers football team per se. Great organization and front office and great coaching. It's the Steeler fans. Most of them are hillbilly white thrash. I almost vomited in my beer everytime the camera showed the Steelers fans in the stands. Holy fucking ugly.......
why give credit for beating a 4th string qb? what did you think of oher false starting and not being called?
typical ravens fan, can't talk shit about the greatest organization in football so you call the fans "ugly". i'm so offended like baltimore is home to every playmate of the month ::)
there is no "ravens week" in pittsburgh, but there is a "steeler week" in baltimore ;)
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i'm reading the ravens forum on scout.com, those clowns are actually calling this one of the greatest wins in the history of the franchise
can you say inferiority complex? harbaugh pumping his fist like it was a super bowl win when reed missed his kicks hahaha :D
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Sorry...is it 'Rapelesberger'? Did I spell it wrong?
I believe its "Rapistberger".
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i believe it's 2 TIME 2 TIME super bowl champ, bitch
believe the accusations made by 2 women, one of which told all her friends "i can't wait to have a little roethlisberger" and one that followed him bar to bar while carrying a fake id and "dtf" tag if it makes you feel better about your shitty team ;)
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why give credit for beating a 4th string qb? what did you think of oher false starting and not being called?
typical ravens fan, can't talk shit about the greatest organization in football so you call the fans "ugly". i'm so offended like baltimore is home to every playmate of the month ::)
there is no "ravens week" in pittsburgh, but there is a "steeler week" in baltimore ;)
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Excuse me, Earl....Does Big Ben play defense for the Steelers, too? Because I witnessed the Ravens drive their offense right down the Steelers throat TWICE in the redzone in the 4th quarter. So much for your vaunted defense. And also...wasn't #43 playing on Sunday, too? Oh yes he was....so much for that excuse too. Maybe you didn't notice Todd Heap blow up a blitzing Troy which allowed Flacco to step into the throw and deliver a beautiful TD pass to Hous-your-mama?
I'll admit that Oher was cutting it close but why wouldn't the refs call it if he was he was dropping back too early? Maybe Oher is just that good.
What excuse will you have if Ben loses in Baltimore on Dec. 5th? I'm sure you'll conjure something up. Just give credit where it's due and stop being a bitch.
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i'm reading the ravens forum on scout.com, those clowns are actually calling this one of the greatest wins in the history of the franchise
can you say inferiority complex? harbaugh pumping his fist like it was a super bowl win when reed missed his kicks hahaha :D
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAH! Buck up, buttercup.
I'm not that delusional about the win but it was important to win in Pittsburgh. And yeah...your kicker sucks. Maybe he can get his mojo back by getting drunk and destroying a few more bathrooms.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Buck up, buttercup.
I'm not that delusional about the win but it was important to win in Pittsburgh. And yeah...your kicker sucks. Maybe he can get his mojo back by getting drunk and destroying a few more bathrooms.
Bro...Charlie batch..really...he was the QB on sunday. And if not for a dumb call at the end of the game Game is over..but yeah we went 3-1 with out Big Ben..
You and i know Steelers will win the AFC North.
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Bro...Charlie batch..really...he was the QB on sunday. And if not for a dumb call at the end of the game Game is over..but yeah we went 3-1 with out Big Ben..
You and i know Steelers will win the AFC North.
AGAIN....does Ben play defense?
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AGAIN....does Ben play defense?
na...but we would have scored more points...
That was a good call by the racvens..Send the double stem to where 43 would have been but he is on the back side blitzing... with Heap staying in to block. Good call...
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na...but we would have scored more points...
That was a good call by the racvens..Send the double stem to where 43 would have been but he is on the back side blitzing... with Heap staying in to block. Good call...
More points? That's up for debate. Ravens/Steelers games are usually not high scoring. My opinion is that the Steelers losing had more to do with the lack of defense more than Ben not playing.
By the way...Ladarius Webb is a stud in the making. That strip of Wallace in the endzone was a thing of beauty.
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to prepare for ben vs preparing for charlie batch
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Excuse me, Earl....Does Big Ben play defense for the Steelers, too? Because I witnessed the Ravens drive their offense right down the Steelers throat TWICE in the redzone in the 4th quarter. So much for your vaunted defense. And also...wasn't #43 playing on Sunday, too? Oh yes he was....so much for that excuse too. Maybe you didn't notice Todd Heap blow up a blitzing Troy which allowed Flacco to step into the throw and deliver a beautiful TD pass to Hous-your-mama?
I'll admit that Oher was cutting it close but why wouldn't the refs call it if he was he was dropping back too early? Maybe Oher is just that good.
What excuse will you have if Ben loses in Baltimore on Dec. 5th? I'm sure you'll conjure something up. Just give credit where it's due and stop being a bitch.
17 points and now the steeler defense sucks ::)
oher was offsides and held harrison all game, he's not that good
your team beat a 4th string qb, how much credit can i possibly give? if i'm a ravens fan i'm worried that my team needed the last minute to beat a 4th string qb, but no most of you think is "one of the best wins in the history of the franchise" haha
if your team wins on dec 5th against big ben it would be the first time since 2006, i'll give credit
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17 points and now the steeler defense sucks ::)
oher was offsides and held harrison all game, he's not that good
your team beat a 4th string qb, how much credit can i possibly give? if i'm a ravens fan i'm worried that my team needed the last minute to beat a 4th string qb, but no most of you think is "one of the best wins in the history of the franchise" haha
if your team wins on dec 5th against big ben it would be the first time since 2006, i'll give credit
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Oher is that good. He's definitely a future pro bowler and I'm sure that you would prefer to have him on your team over Flozell.
We beat a 4th string QB with it's 1st string defense. And I never said the Steelers defense 'sucks'. No need to put words in my mouth to support your argument. Let's just say that our offense was better than your defense on that particular day.
And it's not one of the best wins in franchise history. I don't know what bojangles fan forum you're reading but that's ridiculous. That local media here in Baltimore certainly isn't saying that.
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Tough loss to the Patriots today. Our offense couldn't move the ball in the fourth quarter or overtime. Couldn't hold onto a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter. Couldn't put any heat on Brady late in the game and he found his open receivers. Well-played game by each team's offensive lines and special teams.
Brandon Merriweather should be suspended for the next game for that cheap shot hit on Heap. He was head-hunting the whole game and tried to lay out Heap twice. He'll shorten his career by his own doing with the way he plays, so Karma's a bitch.
Guess we'll have to beat the Patriots again when it really counts...in the playoffs.
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Tough loss to the Patriots today. Our offense couldn't move the ball in the fourth quarter or overtime. Couldn't hold onto a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter. Couldn't put any heat on Brady late in the game and he found his open receivers. Well-played game by each team's offensive lines and special teams.
Brandon Merriweather should be suspended for the next game for that cheap shot hit on Heap. He was head-hunting the whole game and tried to lay out Heap twice. He'll shorten his career by his own doing with the way he plays, so Karma's a bitch.
Guess we'll have to beat the Patriots again when it really counts...in the playoffs.
Great game. The Patriots last three drafts seem to be paying off. The young guys are playing well. Can you believe Hernandez is only 20? Oher was having big problems with Cuningham. Spikes looked good too (Mayo and Spikes combines for 32 tackles today).
I think Meriweather should be fined. That being said, he has no history of being a cheap player and I think it was a one time mistake.
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brady is right, they talk a lot of shit for a team that only beat him once
trying playing those clowns twice a year, the team and fans are in desperate need of a reality check, somehow beating them on the field doesn't seem to work :P
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brady is right, they talk a lot of shit for a team that only beat him once
trying playing those clowns twice a year, the team and fans are in desperate need of a reality check, somehow beating them on the field doesn't seem to work :P
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Very true that we've only beat them once in the last 9 years but that one time was when the stakes were the highest....THE PLAYOFFS.
As a Steelers fan...you're one to talk when it comes to futility. Especially when it comes to facing the Patriots in the playoffs. Haven't you only beaten them once or twice in the last 10 years?? Did you ever have to play them in the playoffs during each of your Superbowl wins this decade?? NOPE. Have the Patriots kicked the shit out of the Steelers in the playoffs en route to any of their Superbowl wins this decade?? YEP.
Owned. No go back to your video games, nerd. :-*
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Very true that we've only beat them once in the last 9 years but that one time was when the stakes were the highest....THE PLAYOFFS.
As a Steelers fan...you're one to talk when it comes to futility. Especially when it comes to facing the Patriots in the playoffs. Haven't you only beaten them once or twice in the last 10 years?? Did you ever have to play them in the playoffs during each of your Superbowl wins this decade?? NOPE. Have the Patriots kicked the shit out of the Steelers in the playoffs en route to any of their Superbowl wins this decade?? YEP.
Owned. No go back to your video games, nerd. :-*
they won 3 rings in the 2000's (put an * because of videogate) and we won 2...we have the most rings in the history of pro football,...steeler fan always wins
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they won 3 rings in the 2000's (put an * because of videogate) and we won 2...we have the most rings in the history of pro football,...steeler fan always wins
Whats this "we" stuff? Are you playing for them now? ;D
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Whats this "we" stuff? Are you playing for them now? ;D
He's referring to himself and the load in his pants. ;D
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I have respect for the ravens. I was happy when they drafted Flacco and I like the head coach.
I don't understand why the Ravens players are talking shit. Aside from the fact that the Ravens have only beat the pats once in the last nine years, they had 5 chances to win the game Sunday, and they were shut down by the young patriots defense each and every time. The pats D got better as the game went on.
I don't think you can talk shit after a loss like that. They just got beat.
I am very excited for the future. The patriots are building a team that mirrors the one they won three titles with. It's crazy to think that they have 8 picks in the first four rounds next year (one of those likely a top ten pick from the Seymour trade).
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I have respect for the ravens. I was happy when they drafted Flacco and I like the head coach.
I don't understand why the Ravens players are talking shit. Aside from the fact that the Ravens have only beat the pats once in the last nine years, they had 5 chances to win the game Sunday, and they were shut down by the young patriots defense.
I don't think you can talk shit after a loss like that. They just got beat.
It's one game. Let's move on, shall we? by next Sunday no one is going to give a shit anymore. At least they didn't lose in the same fashion as last year with all of the bogus fucking penalties on Brady. Course that didn't stop Brady from flailing his arms to the official when Suggs hit him on Sunday.
Hope we can play them again down the road.
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He's referring to himself and the load in his pants. ;D
how about fawk you??..
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It's one game. Let's move on, shall we? by next Sunday no one is going to give a shit anymore. At least they didn't lose in the same fashion as last year with all of the bogus fucking penalties on Brady. Course that didn't stop Brady from flailing his arms to the official when Suggs hit him on Sunday.
Hope we can play them again down the road.
I hear you. There is a lot of football left to play.
I'm sorry but, complaining is not something the ravens or their fans should criticize other players for. What qb does not bitch to the refs?
Every single time the ravens lose, all their guys start bitching and whining in the media, on the field -- etc. Legit, every time the ravens lose a big game, you can expect 5 or 6 quotes about the refs and the other team, Monday. I can post examples!
Hopefully Meriweather gets suspended tomorrow. What he did was wrong. I heard him say he is pals with Heap and he apologized to him after the game. That being said, there is no excuse for launching at another player and I expect the NFL to make an example of Meriweather and also James Harrison. Heap is a good guy and he did not deserve that. had it been Suggs I would have laughed. He's an asshole, whos called for headhunting in the past : - )
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Very true that we've only beat them once in the last 9 years but that one time was when the stakes were the highest....THE PLAYOFFS.
As a Steelers fan...you're one to talk when it comes to futility. Especially when it comes to facing the Patriots in the playoffs. Haven't you only beaten them once or twice in the last 10 years?? Did you ever have to play them in the playoffs during each of your Superbowl wins this decade?? NOPE. Have the Patriots kicked the shit out of the Steelers in the playoffs en route to any of their Superbowl wins this decade?? YEP.
Owned. No go back to your video games, nerd. :-*
2 super bowls in the last 5 years and you're putting "futility" and "steelers" in the same sentence ::)
are you really this dumb and delusional? you just proved my point dummy
does a team have to beat the patriots for their super bowl to be valid or is it just another desperate atempt to knock the great steelers off their pedestal? pats haven't won a super bowl in 6 years so how much longer will they be put on a pedestal?
and those years the pats won your ravens were a bottom feeder, seriously where do you and your dumb players get the nerve
the video game comment hurt, coming from a guy that plays video games too ::)
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2 super bowls in the last 5 years and you're putting "futility" and "steelers" in the same sentence ::)
are you really this dumb and delusional? you just proved my point dummy
does a team have to beat the patriots for their super bowl to be valid or is it just another desperate atempt to knock the great steelers off their pedestal? pats haven't won a super bowl in 6 years so how much longer will they be put on a pedestal?
and those years the pats won your ravens were a bottom feeder, seriously where do you and your dumb players get the nerve
the video game comment hurt, coming from a guy that plays video games too ::)
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Dude, the pats went undefeated in 07 and have fielded a top flight team since their last sb team. It's not like they have been chopped liver.
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i said they haven't won a super bowl in 6 years, that's a fact
raven fans always bring up how the steelers didn't beat the pats in the playoffs on their way to 2 super bowl titles this decade, as if that makes their titles tainted
totally ridiculous and it just shows their jealous little brother complex, and it's funny when their title was won against "the worst team to ever play in a super bowl"
those aren't my words, those are the words of the giants owner wellington mara :)
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Now that Rapelisberger is back, the Steelers are the solid #2 team in the AFC.
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2 super bowls in the last 5 years and you're putting "futility" and "steelers" in the same sentence ::)
are you really this dumb and delusional? you just proved my point dummy
does a team have to beat the patriots for their super bowl to be valid or is it just another desperate atempt to knock the great steelers off their pedestal? pats haven't won a super bowl in 6 years so how much longer will they be put on a pedestal?
and those years the pats won your ravens were a bottom feeder, seriously where do you and your dumb players get the nerve
the video game comment hurt, coming from a guy that plays video games too ::)
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I meant futility against one team, you idiot.
You never beat them and never had to go through them on both title runs. Patriots have 3 titles this decade, Steelers 2 titles. They are the dominant team this decade, not the Steelers. Not delusional about anything, just stating the facts.
Patriots title years:
2001--Ravens were 10-6, defending superbowl champs and made it to the divisional round against your steelers.
2003-10-6 AFC North champs
2004--9-7--winning record--no playoffs
How were the Ravens bottom feeders during those seasons? Talking out your ass once again, Earl.
And I only play Madden and NHL. So that makes me less nerdy than you.
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i said they haven't won a super bowl in 6 years, that's a fact
raven fans always bring up how the steelers didn't beat the pats in the playoffs on their way to 2 super bowl titles this decade, as if that makes their titles tainted
totally ridiculous and it just shows their jealous little brother complex, and it's funny when their title was won against "the worst team to ever play in a super bowl"
those aren't my words, those are the words of the giants owner wellington mara :)
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Any you were lucky to beat a team in the superbowl that finished 9-7. Not only that but you probably thought Arizona didn't deserve to be there, considering the division they play in.
Can give two shits what Mara said about that Giants team. Our title was won and it's in the history books. Do you think Mara would have said the same thing if the Giants won?? Don't think so, it's called sour grapes. You take everything so literally when someone makes a quote.
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I meant futility against one team, you idiot.
You never beat them and never had to go through them on both title runs. Patriots have 3 titles this decade, Steelers 2 titles. They are the dominant team this decade, not the Steelers. Not delusional about anything, just stating the facts.
Patriots title years:
2001--Ravens were 10-6, defending superbowl champs and made it to the divisional round against your steelers.
2003-10-6 AFC North champs
2004--9-7--winning record--no playoffs
How were the Ravens bottom feeders during those seasons? Talking out your ass once again, Earl.
And I only play Madden and NHL. So that makes me less nerdy than you.
when you win 2 super bowls in 5 years, futiltiy against one team means shit and you know it, 2 super bowl wins since the pats last win so how much longer will you raven fans bring that up?
no playoffs in 04, may as well be a bottom feeder, heck that's what you raven fans call the steelers after one 9-7 season missing the playoffs last year ::)
ok fine you are less of a video game nerd than me, happy now?
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Any you were lucky to beat a team in the superbowl that finished 9-7. Not only that but you probably thought Arizona didn't deserve to be there, considering the division they play in.
Can give two shits what Mara said about that Giants team. Our title was won and it's in the history books. Do you think Mara would have said the same thing if the Giants won?? Don't think so, it's called sour grapes. You take everything so literally when someone makes a quote.
well mara did say that he was hoping to be the "worst team" to win the super bowl haha
look dude if you are going to think less of a steeler super bowl season all because they didn't beat one particular team, you can't cry about me nitpicking your teams super bowl
and in 05 the steelers blew out the broncos a week after they blew out the pats in the playoffs, but no it has to be the patriots ::)
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Earl , the Ravens have been a solid club over the last decade. Bottom feeders might have been a tad harsh.
To your point, The Patriots are ther team of the decade (winning 3 titles, going undefeated; with the most total wins over the last tens years). That being said, I don't think anyone would argue that the Steelers are not the best franchise of all time.
The Steelers have been a damn good team over the last 10 years as well.
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fuck the ravens, i'm sick of their shit haha
i'm not talking shit about the pats in any way, just saying their last super bowl win was in 2004 season
they've been good since then, i think the 07 team was the best i ever saw but still no super bowl since 04
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fuck the ravens, i'm sick of their shit haha
i'm not talking shit about the pats in any way, just saying their last super bowl win was in 2004 season
they've been good since then, i think the 07 team was the best i ever saw but still no super bowl since 04
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Agreed. I think the team they are putting together now has a chance to win one over the next couple of years.
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This is why the ravens have zero credability:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Terrell-Suggs-says-hell-have-last-laugh-over-Tom-brady.html
After the ravens lost a game that they had five chances to win (and were shut down every time) they all start talking trash. Suggs being the worst of the lot.
It never fails. Everytime the Ravens lose a big game...every freaking time, they all start melting down in the media. Excuses, trash talk -- etc.
Just to recap, the Pats win and Suggs starts talking shit. Brady responds back by stating the truth; "the ravens talk a lot for a team that has beat us once in nine years"... now Suggs is saying he will have the last laugh, talking about Brady's knee injury, and poking fun at his supermodel gf? Lol! Suggs can dish it but he sure can't take it.
What a piece of shit. Reflective of his teams lack of discipline and humility.
I'm all for talking trash, but Suggs reminds me of my 7 year old nephew when he does not get his way.
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Over the past 10 years...
Pats
Steelers
Colts
Ravens
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This is why the ravens have zero credability:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Terrell-Suggs-says-hell-have-last-laugh-over-Tom-brady.html
After the ravens lost a game that they had five chances to win (and were shut down every time) they all start talking trash. Suggs being the worst of the lot.
It never fails. Everytime the Ravens lose a big game...every freaking time, they all start melting down in the media. Excuses, trash talk -- etc.
Just to recap, the Pats win and Suggs starts talking shit. Brady responds back by stating the truth; "the ravens talk a lot for a team that has beat us once in nine years"... now Suggs is saying he will have the last laugh, talking about Brady's knee injury, and poking fun at his supermodel gf? Lol! Suggs can dish it but he sure can't take it.
What a piece of shit. Reflective of his teams lack of discipline and humility.
I'm all for talking trash, but Suggs reminds me of my 7 year old nephew when he does not get his way.
Ok dude I get it....we cry when we lose. Last time I checked....losing isn't fun. And last Sunday's loss was hardly a big game. It's the regular season. Both teams have four wins.
Actually...Suggs is a hell of a nice guy and a very cool cat to the fans. Have met him quite a few times dining out in the East Baltimore Harbour. And from an individual perfomance standpoint against the Patriots(last 3 games), Suggs has played pretty damn well. he could very well have the last laugh. But all in all he's just having fun. You can't tell me that his joke about his conversation with Brady about his wife wasn't funny. Suggs likely would rip Brady a new asshole in a physical fight so it humors me when he tries to act tough.
But settle down, dude. In the big scheme of things, who really gives a shit?
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A lot of teams would loved to be lumped into this group for the decade. Pretty amazing that only four teams this decade have won the Superbowl.
There are a lot of teams inbetween colts and ravens..
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There are a lot of teams inbetween colts and ravens..
Disregard my last email.
2002-BUCS
2007-Giants
2009-Saints
Did I really say only four teams? My bad....
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I'm fine dude, just stating my opinion and responding to the trash talk the ravens camp has been regurgitating since the loss.
To be honest, I'm sick and tired of all this shit-talk coming out of the Ravens camp. There are a bunch of ghastly mother fuckers on that squad.
Suggs dove at Brady's knee last year, and then has the gaul to talk shit in the media when he (and his vaunted defense) couldn't stop the Patriots when it mattered most. He's claiming Brady dove at his knee, ha-ha!
Of course Suggs could kick Brady's ass in a fight. That's the mentality that child has. Suggs probably thinks that since he can win a physical altercation against Brady, that makes him a bigger man. Brady is the type of guy who would say "no problem", take the high road, hop in his free 100,000 Audi, stop by the Bank, cash his checks from year one of his contract (that total everything Suggs has ever made), roll to his pad in NYC and drop the hammer on his supermodel wife who pulls in 30 million a year. Maybe have his three sb trophies, his NFL MVP, and his 2 superbowl MVP trophies spit shined, while Suggs huffs and puffs in the media.
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I'm fine dude, just stating my opinion and responding to the trash talk the ravens camp has been regurgitating since the loss.
To be honest, I'm sick and tired of all this shit-talk coming out of the Ravens camp. There are a bunch of ghastly mother fuckers on that squad.
Suggs dove at Brady's knee last year, and then has the gaul to talk shit in the media when he (and his vaunted defense) couldn't stop the Patriots when it mattered most. He's claiming Brady dove at his knee, ha-ha!
Of course Suggs could kick Brady's ass in a fight. That's the mentality that child has. Suggs probably thinks that since he can win a physical altercation against Brady, that makes him a bigger man. Brady is the type of guy who would say "no problem", take the high road, hop in his free 100,000 Audi, stop by the Bank, cash his checks from year one of his contract (that total everything Suggs has ever made), roll to his pad in NYC and drop the hammer on his supermodel wife who pulls in 30 million a year. Maybe have his three sb trophies, his NFL MVP, and his 2 superbowl MVP trophies spit shined, while Suggs huffs and puffs in the media.
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Nice..Thats a california boy for ya
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And Guts, you are the man!
Just saying!
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I'm fine dude, just stating my opinion and responding to the trash talk the ravens camp has been regurgitating since the loss.
To be honest, I'm sick and tired of all this shit-talk coming out of the Ravens camp. There are a bunch of ghastly mother fuckers on that squad.
Suggs dove at Brady's knee last year, and then has the gaul to talk shit in the media when he (and his vaunted defense) couldn't stop the Patriots when it mattered most. He's claiming Brady dove at his knee, ha-ha!
Of course Suggs could kick Brady's ass in a fight. That's the mentality that child has. Suggs probably thinks that since he can win a physical altercation against Brady, that makes him a bigger man. Brady is the type of guy who would say "no problem", take the high road, hop in his free 100,000 Audi, stop by the Bank, cash his checks from year one of his contract (that total everything Suggs has ever made), roll to his pad in NYC and drop the hammer on his supermodel wife who pulls in 30 million a year. Maybe have his three sb trophies, his NFL MVP, and his 2 superbowl MVP trophies spit shined, while Suggs huffs and puffs in the media.
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You and I have no idea what Suggs thinks. I just think it's funny how Brady tries to be a tough guy and jump in his face like he's going to throw down.
It's also funny how you just deplore Suggs' actions and now think he's this asshole, yet you yourself had a raging hard-on to add him to the Patriots when his contract was due to expire. I can pull that exact post if you'd like.
And by the way, Suggs is the highest paid linebacker in the NFL so he's not exactly pulling in chump change. Pretty pointless to compare salaries between a franchise QB and a DE/LB but so be it. Not many other players come close to the type of $ Brady rakes in.
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Not many other players come close to the type of $ Brady rakes in.
I do..im a getbigger...bro...i go through that shit in a week
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Ravens dodge a bullet today against the Bills. Our pass rush was non-existent and the Bills made the Ravens pay through the air. Very lucky to get the victory today against a winless team playing with nothing to lose. The bye week couldn't be happening at a better time.
3 TD passes for Flacco. That's 5 TD passes and 0 int's in his last two games.
Ed Reed is back in a big way. One forced fumble and two int's today in his first game back.
Keep an eye out for the Bills' Fitzpatrick and Steve Johnson for the remainder of the season. Not a bad duo.
Steelers get a gift-wrapped win today against Miami. Of course, the Dolphins recovered the ball in the endzone. But the sideline judge was too busy cock-gazing Big Ben into the endzone with arms raised after the ball comes loose.
My team doesn't have much room to talk, either. But the Dolphins got hosed.
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maybe the dolphins should've scored touchdowns instead of settling for 4 field goals, or maybe not give up a 50 yard kick return before the fumble, or a 50 yard touchdown pass to mike wallace (who is becoming the best deep threat in the nfl)
nah why do that when you can point fingers and blame others for your own failures ::) ::)
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maybe the dolphins should've scored touchdowns instead of settling for 4 field goals, or maybe not give up a 50 yard kick return before the fumble, or a 50 yard touchdown pass to mike wallace (who is becoming the best deep threat in the nfl)
nah why do that when you can point fingers and blame others for your own failures ::) ::)
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Not sure what you're talking about here. But I just thought the Steelers caught a ridiculous break at the end of the game.
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Not sure what you're talking about here. But I just thought the Steelers caught a ridiculous break at the end of the game.
i'm talking about people making excuses for their favorite team losing, instead of admitting your team didn't play good enough to win they blame the refs
what is there not to understand?
a bigger screw job would've been the dolphins getting the ball after the refs signaled touchdown, you can't expect the steelers to run for a loose ball after seeing a ref raise his arms
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i'm talking about people making excuses for their favorite team losing, instead of admitting your team didn't play good enough to win they blame the refs
what is there not to understand?
a bigger screw job would've been the dolphins getting the ball after the refs signaled touchdown, you can't expect the steelers to run for a loose ball after seeing a ref raise his arms
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I don't understand what you mean because my team won today. If you're talking about last week then you need to move on. Turn the page.
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christ i was talking about the dolphins and their fans ::)
i didn't see the ravens game, but i'm hearing some of your own fans say your team got a gift today
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=118&f=1666&t=6585087
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Christ i was talking about the dolphins and their fans ::)
i didn't see the ravens game, but i'm hearing some of your own fans say your team got a gift today
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=118&f=1666&t=6585087
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I thought you were referring to me. Settle down, fella. Not every statement can be properly conveyed on a computer.
The Ravens got a HUGE gift. Ray Lewis stripped the ball from a Buffalo wide receiver in overtime. Some are suggesting that the whistle should have blown the play dead before the forced fumble occurred.
No pass rush on the QB, which allowed Buffalo to have a field day through the passing game. The Ravens probably should have lost this game but I'm happy to be 5-2 heading into the bye week.
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The four best teams in the AFC, period. Not in order.
Pats
Steelers
Ravens
Jets
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The four best teams in the AFC, period. Not in order.
Pats
Steelers
Ravens
Jets
I think it's the Jets in the AFC and then everyone else you mentioned. I'd add the Titans to that group.
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I think it's the Jets in the AFC and then everyone else you mentioned. I'd add the Titans to that group.
I agree, defensively. The Titans defense is NASTY.....The average 4-6 sacks 1-2 Int's a week. I should know because I started them in fantasy against the Eagles.
They need a Qb who is worth a fuck before they can become a complete team. Collins is steady but way past his prime. He's strictly a game-managing QB.
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I agree, defensively. The Titans defense is NASTY.....The average 4-6 sacks 1-2 Int's a week. I should know because I started them in fantasy against the Eagles.
They need a Qb who is worth a fuck before they can become a complete team. Collins is steady but way past his prime. He's strictly a game-managing QB.
I wouldn't even call Collins a good game manager. Look at how many INTs he has thrown in his career. I've never liked him. He has never been anything more than an average NFL QB.
I'd take Vince Young any day of the week over Collins. (Speaking of average NFL QBs.)
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I think it's the Jets in the AFC and then everyone else you mentioned. I'd add the Titans to that group.
No.
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PFT Power rankings
1. New York Jets (No.1 last week; 5-1): For now, the question is whether they're the best team in the nation. Pretty soon, there could be an honest debate as to whether they're the best team in their own stadium.
2. Pittsburgh Steelers (No. 2; 5-1): Plenty of people think the Steelers should be No. 1. That group includes few Dolphins fans.
3. New England Patriots (No. 3; 5-1): The Pats tried to blow it against a Chargers team that hasn't quite figured out how to win football games, but in this craziest of crazy NFL seasons a win is a win and the Pats have won five of six.
4. Tennessee Titans (No. 8; 5-2): Coach Jeff Fisher finally has figured out his quarterbacks. Kerry Collins plays well in the even years, and Vince Young plays well in the odd years.
5. Indianapolis Colts (No. 5; 4-2): The rash of injuries will give Peyton Manning a good idea of what his supporting cast will look like after he signs and new contract and the salary cap returns.
6. New York Giants (No. 9; 5-2): Losing to the Colts and Titans in consecutive weeks may have been the best thing that ever happened to this team.
7. Baltimore Ravens (No. 4; 5-2): The official rules of power rankings require a minimum drop of three spots when being pushed to overtime by the Bills
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I think it's the Jets in the AFC and then everyone else you mentioned. I'd add the Titans to that group.
Not I.
I watch the Jet's play pretty much every weekend, and all the teams I mentioned can beat them.
The AFC is wide open, imo.
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The AFC is wide open, imo.
Same with the NFC.
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I wouldn't even call Collins a good game manager. Look at how many INTs he has thrown in his career. I've never liked him. He has never been anything more than an average NFL QB.
I'd take Vince Young any day of the week over Collins. (Speaking of average NFL QBs.)
Collins is a game manager, imo.
Just because Young is a superior game manager compared to Collins, that does not mean that Collins is not an effective game manager in his own right. 2008 proves Collins can be a very effective as a game mananger, imo
Game manager:
2008 Tennessee NFL 16 242 415 58.3 2676 12 7 25 49 0
2005 Oakland NFL 15 302 565 53.5 3759 20 12 17 39 1
2000 NYG NFL 16 311 529 58.8 3610 22 13 41 65 1
2001 NYG NFL 16 327 568 57.6 3764 19 16 39 73 0
2002 NYG NFL 16 335 545 61.5 4073 19 14 44 -3
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Pats 5-1 #1 offense in the NFL -- (points per game)
Steelers 5-1 #1 defense in the NFL -- (points allowed)
Jets 5-1 #2 Defense in the NFL -- (points allowed)
These three teams are interchangable as the best team in the AFC, imo.
The Ravens deserve an honerable mention, but they have not been as strong as the teams above.
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A QB is either a
Chain mover (for the good) 1. Ben 2. Vick 3. Young
Flat out baller 1. Brady 2. Manning (p) and 3. Brees
Game Manager (wont take risks...wont force.. takes what defense gives them...not afraid to punt...Only go down field on a play action. Collins is in this category...
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A QB is either a
Chain mover (for the good) 1. Ben 2. Vick 3. Young
Flat out baller 1. Brady 2. Manning (p) and 3. Brees
Game Manager (wont take risks...wont force.. takes what defense gives them...not afraid to punt...Only go down field on a play action. Collins is in this category...
Truth.
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No.
??? You disagree, but then post power rankings that say the Jets are the best team in football?
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Not I.
I watch the Jet's play pretty much every weekend, and all the teams I mentioned can beat them.
The AFC is wide open, imo.
I don't watch them every week, but I've seen them a few times this year. They're the best team I've seen so far. If Sanchez continues to play well they will be tough to beat.
If by wide open you mean any one of a handful of teams can win it, then I agree.
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Collins is a game manager, imo.
Just because Young is a superior game manager compared to Collins, that does not mean that Collins is not an effective game manager in his own right. 2008 proves Collins can be a very effective as a game mananger, imo
Game manager:
2008 Tennessee NFL 16 242 415 58.3 2676 12 7 25 49 0
2005 Oakland NFL 15 302 565 53.5 3759 20 12 17 39 1
2000 NYG NFL 16 311 529 58.8 3610 22 13 41 65 1
2001 NYG NFL 16 327 568 57.6 3764 19 16 39 73 0
2002 NYG NFL 16 335 545 61.5 4073 19 14 44 -3
The guy is average-to-bad for the overwhelming majority of his career. He has 197 TDS and 190 INTs. He's a career 55% passer. Here is what he has done TD/INT-wise since 04
04: 21-20
05: 20-12
06: 1-6
07: 0-0
08: 12-7
09: 6-8
10: 5-3
That's 65 TDs and 55 INTs just since 04.
A good game manager at QB by definition does not turn the ball over.
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The guy is average-to-bad for the overwhelming majority of his career. He has 197 TDS and 190 INTs. He's a career 55% passer. Here is what he has done TD/INT-wise since 04
04: 21-20
05: 20-12
06: 1-6
07: 0-0
08: 12-7
09: 6-8
10: 5-3
That's 65 TDs and 55 INTs just since 04.
A good game manager at QB by definition does not turn the ball over.
Who do you consider a good game manager?
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Who do you consider a good game manager?
Off the top of my head, I'd the best one is Roethlisberger. Brady is good, but he's not really manager. Sanchez.
We're talking game managers, not the best QBs in the NFL.
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Off the top of my head, I'd the best one is Roethlisberger. Brady is good, but he's not really manager. Sanchez.
We're talking game managers, not the best QBs in the NFL.
Brady is a hof player. Like you said, Brady and "game manager" don't really go in the same sentence.
Big Ben is an elite QB, not a game manager, imo.
Sanchez true, but if you don't like int's he threw 20 of those to his 12 td's last year.
To me a game manager is a guy who is average to slightly above average... A guy who can run plays and will not lose games. Collins is better than many options team are going with right now, imo. An example of a terrible game manager would be Sage Rosenfeld.
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Pats are a step behind the Steelers and Jets in the AFC. Truth.
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Ya, you're right. It's not a huge step, though.
Here are the some truths:
-The Pats have the #1 offense in the NFL (ppg) and their schedule has been and is pretty brutal.
-They have shitload of offensive weapons, including two TE's that no one has had an answer for thus far.
-They have a HOF qb and coach
-Their young defense has a lot of potential and will continue to get better as the season wears on
- They have remained pretty healthy thus far
- Pro bowl guard Logan Mankins will return after week 10.
So yes, they are probably the third best team in the AFC, but when the going gets tough, they have the tools to win a head to head game with any of the teams mentioned in your post.
They won't win the sb this year, but so what...when your team is 5-1 during a "transition year", it don't get much better than that.
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Brady is a hof player. Like you said, Brady and "game manager" don't really go in the same sentence.
Big Ben is an elite QB, not a game manager, imo.
Sanchez true, but if you don't like int's he threw 20 of those to his 12 td's last year.
To me a game manager is a guy who is average to slightly above average... A guy who can run plays and will not lose games. Collins is better than many options team are going with right now, imo. An example of a terrible game manager would be Sage Rosenfeld.
I think we have different definitions. Neither one is wrong IMO. I don't think a game manager has to be average. He's typically a player that isn't required to do too much. That's why I mentioned Big Ben. He's an elite QB, but he's not the focal point of the offense. Going back to his first Super Bowl win, that season I think is a classic example of a game manager.
Sanchez was a rookie last year, so he gets a pass on those stats. He has improved tremendously this year.
I think other examples would be Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer the years they won the Super Bowl.
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ben was a game manager during that season but he played like an elite qb in the playoff wins against the bengals, colts, and broncos
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ben was a game manager during that season but he played like an elite qb in the playoff wins against the bengals, colts, and broncos
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I think a game manager can be an elite QB.
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I think a game manager can be an elite QB.
For us old geezers who remember, that is essentially what Bradshaw was. I'm sure Earl would agree.
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For us old geezers who remember, that is essentially what Bradshaw was. I'm sure Earl would agree.
Agree.
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Agree.
But thats not what Ben is.. He is in a wierd place...He damn sure isnt a Managet a la Trent Dilfer...but i dont give him Brady Manning Breese Status either...
What about Rich Gannon with the Raiders....
He wasnt the Prolific Passer the top 3 were...but he was a guy that moved the chains...He scrambled when he had to, to get the deep ball. He also would pull it down and sprint for 8 yards...
One situation 3 different QB styles
Ok…so its 3rd-6 I – slot formation. Pass play, primary and secondary targets are covered.
Game Manager (Collins) looks for his check/safe route…maybe a swing out of the backfield and completes a 5 yard pass that is stopped…punt
Chain mover (Ben) might check backside but will tuck it and rumble for 8 yards…1st down
Baller (Brady) stands in the pocket, slides to the right and looks backside for the post and hits for 35 yards. Big play
Extra guy
Gun slinger (Favre) Force it via jumpball to primary target and hope for the best…lol
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But thats not what Ben is.. He is in a wierd place...He damn sure isnt a Managet a la Trent Dilfer...but i dont give him Brady Manning Breese Status either...
What about Rich Gannon with the Raiders....
He wasnt the Prolific Passer the top 3 were...but he was a guy that moved the chains...He scrambled when he had to, to get the deep ball. He also would pull it down and sprint for 8 yards...
One situation 3 different QB styles
Ok…so its 3rd-6 I – slot formation. Pass play, primary and secondary targets are covered.
Game Manager (Collins) looks for his check/safe route…maybe a swing out of the backfield and completes a 5 yard pass that is stopped…punt
Chain mover (Ben) might check backside but will tuck it and rumble for 8 yards…1st down
Baller (Brady) stands in the pocket, slides to the right and looks backside for the post and hits for 35 yards. Big play
Extra guy
Gun slinger (Favre) Force it via jumpball to primary target and hope for the best…lol
One of the problems with this is Collins throws the ball to the other team about as much as he throws it to his own players. Can't be a game manager if you constantly turn the ball over.
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I actually like raplisburger as a QB as much as I hate to admit it but he cant keep his current style much longer.
He is a big ass dude and can shrug off defenders and run for a couple yards now...but he is young.
He will get hurt sooner or later with his style, I cant tell you how many times he has stood in the pocket and shrugged off a defender to make a pass. As he gets older and the defenders get younger he will end up getting his ankle or knee hurt...mark my words
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I actually like raplisburger as a QB as much as I hate to admit it but he cant keep his current style much longer.
He is a big ass dude and can shrug off defenders and run for a couple yards now...but he is young.
He will get hurt sooner or later with his style, I cant tell you how many times he has stood in the pocket and shrugged off a defender to make a pass. As he gets older and the defenders get younger he will end up getting his ankle or knee hurt...mark my words
Agree. He almost got hurt fighting off a sack against the Saints. Three players were pulling him in three different directions as he was trying to avoid the sack. I really admire his ability to extend plays but that style will work against him as he hits his 30's.
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Agree. He almost got hurt fighting off a sack against the Saints. Three players were pulling him in three different directions as he was trying to avoid the sack. I really admire his ability to extend plays but that style will work against him as he hits his 30's.
WE NEED A FUCKING LINE....and i think we shold run run run and throw off playaction
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6-2 and in first place. Short rest than play the Falcons on Thursday night.
Nice job by the Brownies over the Pats. There's a reality check for the Patriots. Stopping the run isn't so easy sometimes with a young defense.
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YEAAAAA...
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YEAAAAA...
The Ravens DO NOT have a pass rush that is worth a flying fuck.......Our cornerbacks are absolute dogshit. I could care less about the Roddy White pushoff at the end. There were so many other things that caused our demise.
I can't blame our DB's in the passing game. It all starts upfront. If you can't put heat on the quarterback and give him all day to throw....it won't matter if you have Revis back there....you're going to give up pass plays and 3rd down conversions.
Just abysmal....I'd rather be shutout by the other team rather than lose that way....Fuck am I pissed we blew that game..... >:(
On the plus side...Flacco played well after the 1st quarter. He moved the offense in position to score when we needed it. But it's safe to say that the dominating days of the Ravens' defense are long over......
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Awful that basically one WR beat them.......terrible.
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Awful that basically one WR beat them.......terrible.
What did Skip Bayless say this morning? :D :D
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What did Skip Bayless say this morning? :D :D
i didn't see him talking about the game...he was too busy running down Randy Moss... ;D
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i didn't see him talking about the game...he was too busy running down Randy Moss... ;D
And Cam Newton. :o :o
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And Cam Newton. :o :o
What is funny is that I don't get SI, but I was in the dentists office a couple of weeks ago and they had a big story about Newton and his dad talking about how his dads "tough love" approach helped get him in line, blah, blah, blah......then next thing I hear is this.
although much of it could be nonsense, when there is that much smoke there IS a fire......
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Pats are a step behind the Steelers and Jets in the AFC. Truth.
Not anymore.
Giants owned by Dallas. Pats go to Pitt and take them to the woodshed.
Jets1a
Pats1b
Steelers
Colts
Ravens
Truth
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yeah...the giants were not exactly owned. They put up yards. They just didnt put the ball in the endzone.
nvm.
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yeah...the giants were not exactly owned. They put up yards. They just didnt put the ball in the endzone.
nvm.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Yards mean nothing, it's all about the points, and winning the game.
The Giants are clearly the second best team in the NFC (Falcons look like the best team as of right now). Dallas was just better that night.
Not taking anything away from the Giants, they are contenders for sure.
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...you said they were owned.
stop it.
yes yards matter.
they had more yards on offense than the cowboys. rushing and passing. more first downs. 10 more infact.
if anything the giants owned themselves. 70 yards in penalties.
good game by the cowboys though, they did a complete 360 in their philospohy and execution.
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...you said they were owned.
stop it.
yes yards matter.
they had more yards on offense than the cowboys. rushing and passing. more first downs. 10 more infact.
if anything the giants owned themselves. 70 yards in penalties.
good game by the cowboys though, they did a complete 360 in their philospohy and execution.
-Don't cause yourself 70 yards in penalties and play disciplined football. I never got that excuse. The whole: "we had x amount of yards in penalties". Well, that's the players fault, and part of the equation. The good teams don't shoot themselves in the foot over and over. I'm not saying the Giants are a bad team, I'm just saying...
-Convert all those yards and first downs into points, because if you don't, they don't really matter. It's like my Patriots in 2007. Shattered every offensive record in history on the way to losing the sb to your Giants. Clearly the Pats were the better team, and several fluke plays led to their demise in that game, but it is what it is. Had they taken care of business early on it never would have come down to David Tyree or a missed int by Samuel. But they didn't so they lost.
-Score more points than the opposition
Neither team played much defense. I say the Giants got owned, because the Cowboys ran wild on them in their own house when the Giants where supposed to mop the floor with them.
As I said, clearly the Giants are a top team in the NFC. Just calling it like I see it.
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Gmen will be in it till the end as long as they can get healthy in the next couple of weeks.....their offence line had 3 different starters Sunday.
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Keep this shit about the Giants off my board!!!!!
Just kidding.....
Tom Brady once again owned the Steelers. The Tom Brady spike in the endzone was especially insulting to the Heinz field fans. I couldn't stop laughing after he did that.
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Keep this shit about the Giants off my board!!!!!
Just kidding.....
Tom Brady once again owned the Steelers. The Tom Brady spike in the endzone was especially insulting to the Heinz field fans. I couldn't stop laughing after he did that.
Fuck ya. Troy tried to grind his head into the ground and Logan Mankins started looking for some Steeler punks to smash. I love the emotion that Brady showed last night and the spike was classic. The steelers are always talking shit and trying to dominate.
I was surprised to see the Steelers get bullied like they did. Pats lines dominated. I knew it was on when Ward got the taste knocked out of his mouth.
The entire steelers d line was getting pushed back. Casey Hampton was getting rag dolled by Koppen. Light was owning Harrison and Mankins was mauling in the run game. Add in guys like 6'6 Rob Gronwkowski, blocking and then releasing into the flat and you've got trouble in steel city.
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Gmen will be in it till the end as long as they can get healthy in the next couple of weeks.....their offence line had 3 different starters Sunday.
Absolutely. It's going to come down to Atlanta and NY, and I'd take NY all day.
That's not an excuse though, everyone has injuries. Look at Eli's brother. That team is DECIMATED by injuries and they remain a top team in the AFC.
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Fuck ya. Troy tried to grind his head into the ground and Logan Mankins started looking for some Steeler punks to smash. I love the emotion that Brady showed last night and the spike was classic. The steelers are always talking shit and trying to dominate.
I was surprised to see the Steelers get bullied like they did. Pats lines dominated. I knew it was on when Ward got the taste knocked out of his mouth.
The entire steelers d line was getting pushed back. Casey Hampton was getting rag dolled by Koppen. Light was owning Harrison and Mankins was mauling in the run game. Add in guys like 6'6 Rob Gronwkowski, blocking and then releasing into the flat and you've got trouble in steel city.
Brady was basically saying with that spike.....'this is my house and will always be my house'........I saw Troy dive his head in there trying to twist Brady's body back well after he crossed the goal line. The Patriot's O-line and D-line flat out dominated the Steelers.
At least the Ravens made their game with the Patriots competitive....
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Keep this shit about the Giants off my board!!!!!
Just kidding.....
Tom Brady once again owned the Steelers. The Tom Brady spike in the endzone was especially insulting to the Heinz field fans. I couldn't stop laughing after he did that.
yeah we all know you raven fans have to count on the patriots to take care of the steelers, because god knows your team can't do it
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Fuck ya. Troy tried to grind his head into the ground and Logan Mankins started looking for some Steeler punks to smash. I love the emotion that Brady showed last night and the spike was classic. The steelers are always talking shit and trying to dominate.
I was surprised to see the Steelers get bullied like they did. Pats lines dominated. I knew it was on when Ward got the taste knocked out of his mouth.
The entire steelers d line was getting pushed back. Casey Hampton was getting rag dolled by Koppen. Light was owning Harrison and Mankins was mauling in the run game. Add in guys like 6'6 Rob Gronwkowski, blocking and then releasing into the flat and you've got trouble in steel city.
steelers were missing 2 starting o lineman
light was holding harrison all game
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Brady was basically saying with that spike.....'this is my house and will always be my house'........I saw Troy dive his head in there trying to twist Brady's body back well after he crossed the goal line. The Patriot's O-line and D-line flat out dominated the Steelers.
At least the Ravens made their game with the Patriots competitive....
saw that too. He also took a shot at Welker after a play passed them by. Clark tried to duplicate his filthy dirty hit he put on Welker last year as well.
I don't blame em, when you get physically dominated as bad as they were, you get frustrated.
This new Patriots team is a throwback to the big, fast, beat your ass teams prior to 2004. They are going to be something else next year.
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Brady was basically saying with that spike.....'this is my house and will always be my house'........I saw Troy dive his head in there trying to twist Brady's body back well after he crossed the goal line. The Patriot's O-line and D-line flat out dominated the Steelers.
At least the Ravens made their game with the Patriots competitive....
your team still hasn't beaten a big ben steeler team since 2006, when he was still rattled by the motor cycle accident so if brady is our bully on the block, big ben would be your teams bully
and if we're going to praise other teams qb's when they beat our bully, when was the last time your team beat peyton manning?
at least the steelers are always competitive with the colts ::)
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steelers were missing 2 starting o lineman
light was holding harrison all game
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Patriots are missing #1 starting corner Leigh Bodden, pro bowl dlmen Ty Warren, Pro Bowl Olmen Steven Neal. They are also starting about 5 rookies and had to play at your house. Whats your point, everyone is missing important players.
Light was not holding Harrison. Thats just an excuse for guys to make when they don't do shit. Infact, a great case could be made for the bogus calls that went your way. See the Meriweather PI call. Timmons hitting Brady late. Troy P driving Bradys head into the ground -- etc. I dont make excuses so I wont go that route.
The Steelers are a top team in the AFC, but I'm sorry, they got smoked last night
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Patriots are missing #1 starting corner Leigh Bodden, pro bowl DL player Ty Warren, Pro Bowl Olmen Steven Neal. They are also starting about 5 rookies and had to play at your house. Whats you point, everyone is missing important players.
Light was not holding Harrison. Thats just an excuse for guys to make when they don't do shit. Infact, a great case could be made for the bogus calls that went your way. See the Meriweather PI call. Timmons hitting Brady late. Troy P driving Bradys head into the ground -- etc. I dont make excuses so I wont go that route.
The Steelers are a top team in the AFC, but I'm sorry, they got smoked last night.
how could you say he wasn't holding harrison? it was non stop and the only time it was called was when he had his arm around his neck
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how could you say he wasn't holding harrison? it was non stop and the only time it was called was when he had his arm around his neck
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I guess the refs are against you, in your own house... the house of the most respected owner in all of the NFL. Weird, they didn't call the late hit on Brady by Timmons, the clear personal foul by Troy P on both Brady and Welker...called a bullshit pi call against Meriweather and also failed to spot the ball in the correct spot on the chung tackle that was not a first down.
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I guess the refs are against you, in your own house... the house of the most respected owner in all of the NFL. Weird, they didn't call the late hit on Brady by Timmons, the clear personal foul by Troy P on both Brady and Welker...called a bullshit pi call against Meriweather and also failed to spot the ball in the correct spot on the chung tackle that was not a first down.
yeah i've heard it a million times when the refs don't make a call that benefits the steelers, the refs did a "great job"
any flag that helps the steelers, the refs wanted the steelers to win ::)
harrison is held nonstop, you mention a couple random plays i'm not even aware of other than i think the chung tackle, is that the one where wallace caught a pass for a first down and than ran backwards behind the first down marker?
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yeah i've heard it a million times when the refs don't make a call that benefits the steelers, the refs did a "great job"
any flag that helps the steelers, the refs wanted the steelers to win ::)
harrison is held nonstop, you mention a couple random plays i'm not even aware of other than i think the chung tackle, is that the one where wallace caught a pass for a first down and than ran backwards behind the first down marker?
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I've got no beef with any of the missed calls. It happens, and it all evens out. Like you, Pats fans can come up with a laundry list of things that went on all night that had a negative impact on their team. Infact, I think there were several holds that saved Ben from being sacked a sixth and seventh time last night.
You don't lose a game the way the Steelers did based on what you said. The Steelers scored pretty much all their points in garbage time when the game was already way out of hand. They just got beat, plain and simple.
Look, the steelers are a top notch team and could very well beat the Pats should they meet again. Infact, I'd rather play the jets than the Steelers should the Pats make the title game.
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yeah i've heard it a million times when the refs don't make a call that benefits the steelers, the refs did a "great job"
any flag that helps the steelers, the refs wanted the steelers to win ::)
harrison is held nonstop, you mention a couple random plays i'm not even aware of other than i think the chung tackle, is that the one where wallace caught a pass for a first down and than ran backwards behind the first down marker?
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i think there were a number of plays that holding could have been called on that left side of the pats o line but that wouldnt have changed to game to be honest....
steelers receivers looked like shit for the most part, how many times does rapelisburger have to hit someone in the hands before they will make a catch?
that was just ridiculous the first 2 times they were in the red zone I think he hit probably 3 or 4 receivers in the hands in the end zone and they dropped the passes...
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i think there were a number of plays that holding could have been called on that left side of the pats o line but that wouldnt have changed to game to be honest....
steelers receivers looked like shit for the most part, how many times does rapelisburger have to hit someone in the hands before they will make a catch?
that was just ridiculous the first 2 times they were in the red zone I think he hit probably 3 or 4 receivers in the hands in the end zone and they dropped the passes...
I'd say the same on no less than 3 occasions when Ben was going to be sacked a sixth and seventh time, and stripped.
Also, not a single pf call was made on Troy or Timmons. Timmons had a blatant late hit on Brady... I mean right in front of the ref.
Pats scored 39 points on the Steelers. Almost all of the steelers 26 came in garbage time. It wasn't even close.
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I'd say the same on no less than 3 occasions when Ben was going to be sacked a sixth and seventh time, and stripped.
Also, not a single pf call was made on Troy or Timmons. Timmons had a blatant late hit on Brady... I mean right in front of the ref.
Pats scored 39 points on the Steelers. Almost all of the steelers 26 came in garbage time. It wasn't even close.
I was surprised how the refs let Brady get knocked around. That ass chewing he have was awesome. Great to see a guy care that much and show it......hello laughing on the sideline as your teams gets pounded Tony Romo.....
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i think there were a number of plays that holding could have been called on that left side of the pats o line but that wouldnt have changed to game to be honest....
steelers receivers looked like shit for the most part, how many times does rapelisburger have to hit someone in the hands before they will make a catch?
that was just ridiculous the first 2 times they were in the red zone I think he hit probably 3 or 4 receivers in the hands in the end zone and they dropped the passes...
yes they were terrible
the gameplan was poorly executed all around
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I was surprised how the refs let Brady get knocked around. That ass chewing he have was awesome. Great to see a guy care that much and show it......hello laughing on the sideline as your teams gets pounded Tony Romo.....
i'm convinced brady likes beating the steelers more than anybody
when has he scolded his teammmates like that before while having a lead? when has he spiked the ball after a td? i remember an nfl films video of him walking off heinz field saying to the camera something like "we hate it here but god we love winning here"
he always brings his A game against them and always does something to rub it in the fans face at heinz field
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Also, not a single pf call was made on Troy or Timmons. Timmons had a blatant late hit on Brady... I mean right in front of the ref.
i didn't see this, i was at the game and couldn't see the all the things they would show on replay
i recorded the game but i really don't feel like watching it for obvious reasons
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i'm convinced brady likes beating the steelers more than anybody
when has he scolded his teammmates like that before while having a lead? when has he spiked the ball after a td? i remember an nfl films video of him walking off heinz field saying to the camera something like "we hate it here but god we love winning here"
he always brings his A game against them and always does something to rub it in the fans face at heinz field
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It's respect, dude. There are two teams Brady respects... the Steelers and the Colts. The Steelers are pretty much the greatest franchise ever... of course he's going to get fired up. I love the fire. I'd take it as a compliment if I were you.
The reason he spiked the ball, is because Troy P was driving his head into the ground after he scored.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-On-sideline-Tom-Brady-unleashes-the-fury?urn=nfl-285649
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It's respect, dude. There are two teams Brady respects... the Steelers and the Colts. The Steelers are pretty much the greatest franchise ever... of course he's going to get fired up. I love the fire. I'd take it as a compliment if I were you.
The reason he spiked the ball, is because Troy P was driving his head into the ground after he scored.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-On-sideline-Tom-Brady-unleashes-the-fury?urn=nfl-285649
I know Brady hates the Jets!! That is a given. 8) I was shocked that there was a no call when Harrison, Foote or Timmons went low on Brady. I did enjoy seeing Woodley give Brady a "Love Tap". ;)
Why was Shawn Crable out on the field though? Just wondering Body because MICHIGAN fans have wondered if he ever changed his moronic style of play. >:( >:(
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I know Brady hates the Jets!! That is a given. 8) I was shocked that there was a no call when Harrison, Foote or Timmons went low on Brady. I did enjoy seeing Woodley give Brady a "Love Tap". ;)
Why was Shawn Crable out on the field though? Just wondering Body because MICHIGAN fans have wondered if he ever changed his moronic style of play. >:( >:(
He does hate the Jets, because they are everything the Patriots are not. Loud, arrogent -- etc. It works for them, but there is no love lost between either team.
Ya, I was pretty surprised that there was no call on the late hit by Timmons, the knee dive by Harrison (dirty player), and the late hits by Troy P. That's why I find it comical when Steelers fan start bitching about the refs. It's like really, ha-ha.
Crable is finally healthy and able to play. He's had some pretty good pressures on the QB and has made some plays. Since this is his first year (he's been hurt), he's going to need a year to develop. He's an athletic freak though. I have seats right up front and he is a monster.
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yeah we all know you raven fans have to count on the patriots to take care of the steelers, because god knows your team can't do it
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We actually did beat you Oct. 3rd, 2010.(of course, you'll pull the no Ben playing card-but i expect that) And we've also beaten the Patriots once in the playoffs. When have the Steelers beat them this decade in the playoffs? The Steelers have proved THREE TIMES THREE TIMES THREE TIMES this decade that they can't beat the Patriots when it counts the most.
Granted, we beat them one time only but that's one more time than your precious Steelers.
Just like the Ravens could never beat the Patriots, we finally got over that hump. One day hopefully soon, we'll find a way to beat the Colts.
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We actually did beat you Oct. 3rd, 2010.(of course, you'll pull the no Ben playing card-but i expect that) And we've also beaten the Patriots once in the playoffs. When have the Steelers beat them this decade in the playoffs? The Steelers have proved THREE TIMES THREE TIMES THREE TIMES this decade that they can't beat the Patriots when it counts the most.
Granted, we beat them one time only but that's one more time than your precious Steelers.
Just like the Ravens could never beat the Patriots, we finally got over that hump. One day hopefully soon, we'll find a way to beat the Colts.
0 -2 against them in the playoffs this decade, your team is 1 - 0 so keep patting yourself on the back for that
yes i will pull the ben not playing card, like i said your team hasn't beaten him since 06
your team just lost to the falcons, my team beat them with dennis friggin dixon
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The Steelers have proved THREE TIMES THREE TIMES THREE TIMES this decade that they can't beat the Patriots when it counts the most.
rofl
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it was actually TWO TIME TWO TIME ;)
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Big showdown against the Steelers Dec. 5th on Sunday Night.
I'm wondering if the Ravens can beat the Steelers, given their incredible amount of luck. They have an atrocious offensive line yet Big Ben keeps plays alive and converts 3rd downs, something Flacco has a hard time doing. But I'll give the Steelers their just due....they capitalize on their opponents mistakes. The Buffalo game.....That drop by Steven Johnson in the endzone was just absolutely pathetic.
If you're a starting receiver in the NFL...you have to make that catch. It's ridiculous that the Steelers are 8-3. Just like Buffalo deserved to beat the Ravens a few weeks ago...the Steelers should've lost as well.....These kinds of breaks they're getting are becoming eerily reminiscent of their 2008 championship season. I hope I'm wrong. :-\
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buffalo was lucky the refs are targeting harrison, another bullshit late hit call
watch the video, THE REF HAD THE YELLOW FLAG IN HAND BEFORE HE EVEN TOUCHED HIM
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buffalo was lucky the refs are targeting harrison, another bullshit late hit call
watch the video, THE REF HAD THE YELLOW FLAG IN HAND BEFORE HE EVEN TOUCHED HIM
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Harrison is having a great year. double digit sacks with 6 forced fumbles on the year. With Oher possibly missing the Steelers game, I'm worried how effectively Baltimore will be able to pick up the outside blitz.
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buffalo was lucky the refs are targeting harrison, another bullshit late hit call
watch the video, THE REF HAD THE YELLOW FLAG IN HAND BEFORE HE EVEN TOUCHED HIM
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Uh, as a Pitts fan I wouldn't be talking about anybody being "lucky..." If God hadn't made that WR drop the ball, your boys would have lost. ;D
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Uh, as a Pitts fan I wouldn't be talking about anybody being "lucky..." If God hadn't made that WR drop the ball, your boys would have lost. ;D
all successful teams have luck, but no team gets by on luck alone
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QUOTE THE RAVENS
NEVERMORE
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QUOTE THE RAVENS
NEVERMORE
;D ;D ;D
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hahaha......that was nice. ;D
Ben showed what a horse he is.....unreal.
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We just can't beat Pittsburgh when the stakes are the highest. Congrats to the Steelers. They should now coast to 12 or 13 wins. They're next 3 games are at home while we'll need to win at least 11 games to make a wildcard.
Our play calling is absolute dogshit. Cam Cameron has got to go. The offense kept going 3 and out in the 2nd half. Apparently, the Ravens felt like 10 points on offense was enough to win the game. Too much pressure on the defense and Ben kept plays alive on 3rd down.
How do you not see #43 at the line of scrimmage and not call timeout or at least have the running back pick up the outside blitz? It's 4 minutes left to play, he's coming hard and fast!
Polamalu shows again why he is the most valuble defensive player in the NFL. He's just a beast.
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We just can't beat Pittsburgh when the stakes are the highest. Congrats to the Steelers. They should now coast to 12 or 13 wins. They're next 3 games are at home while we'll need to win at least 11 games to make a wildcard.
Our play calling is absolute dogshit. Cam Cameron has got to go. The offense kept going 3 and out in the 2nd half. Apparently, the Ravens felt like 10 points on offense was enough to win the game. Too much pressure on the defense and Ben kept plays alive on 3rd down.
How do you not see #43 at the line of scrimmage and not call timeout or at least have the running back pick up the outside blitz? It's 4 minutes left to play, he's coming hard and fast!
Polamalu shows again why he is the most valuble defensive player in the NFL. He's just a beast.
If Troy is the most Valuable, Suggs is the most Dominant, Jesus h christ. This dude lived in our backfield so much we were gonna start charging him rent. 55 almost single handedly won that game for Ravens. Dude is a beas. On offense i thought Ravens would get the ball to Rice on some arrow routes even check downs...Basically man situations with our linebackers, But it never happened. But this was the best game of the day by far
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when will people start mentioning troy among the all time greats?
i think big ben is getting too much credit for the win, nobody is saying how "great"he played if troy doesn't come up with yet another miracle
the games ending was very similar to both 2008 games, ravens were winning and then woodley recovers a big fumble that changes the game, also big ben throwing a late td for the go ahead score, i couldn't believe redman got into the end zone
i don't think that was a bad play call by the ravens (flacco fumble), the pass was working and it's almost impossible to run on the steelers, last game against the ravens troy was sent on a blitz and flacco threw the winning td
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Ben is going be throwing off his back foot for the rest of the season with the O-line in it's current condition.
I just don't agree that the better won, to be honest. The Ravens jump out to a 7-0 1st quarter lead on a 92 Yard Drive. We give up a sack in field goal range and piss away another FG chance with stupid penalties. Then our O-coordinator called the shittiest 2nd half game I've ever seen. We completely abandoned the run and kept going 3 and out and our defense was gassed by the 4th quarter.
I give credit to the Steelers defense for winning the game. But the Ravens seriously need to hire a new offensive corrdinator. Cam Cameron is horrendous.
But hey, the Steelers won and it is what it is.
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Ben is going be throwing off his back foot for the rest of the season with the O-line in it's current condition.
I just don't agree that the better won, to be honest. The Ravens jump out to a 7-0 1st quarter lead on a 92 Yard Drive. We give up a sack in field goal range and piss away another FG chance with stupid penalties. Then our O-coordinator called the shittiest 2nd half game I've ever seen. We completely abandoned the run and kept going 3 and out and our defense was gassed by the 4th quarter.
I give credit to the Steelers defense for winning the game. But the Ravens seriously need to hire a new offensive corrdinator. Cam Cameron is horrendous.
But hey, the Steelers won and it is what it is.
Did you see ben get Suggs up off of him.. That was the play of the game to me
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Did you see ben get Suggs up off of him.. That was the play of the game to me
He was going for the forced fumble. Can't blame Suggs for trying to cause a turnover but in hindsight, he should have just put Ben on the ground and sacked him. Would've been better to take the lost yardage than let him throw it away like that.
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Ben is going be throwing off his back foot for the rest of the season with the O-line in it's current condition.
I just don't agree that the better won, to be honest. The Ravens jump out to a 7-0 1st quarter lead on a 92 Yard Drive. We give up a sack in field goal range and piss away another FG chance with stupid penalties. Then our O-coordinator called the shittiest 2nd half game I've ever seen. We completely abandoned the run and kept going 3 and out and our defense was gassed by the 4th quarter.
I give credit to the Steelers defense for winning the game. But the Ravens seriously need to hire a new offensive corrdinator. Cam Cameron is horrendous.
But hey, the Steelers won and it is what it is.
and i feel the better team lost in october, even though a 4th string qb was playing
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Pats are a step behind the Steelers and Jets in the AFC. Truth.
Pats vs Steelers: 39-26
Pats vs Jets: 45-3
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Pats vs Steelers: 39-26
Pats vs Jets: 45-3
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I knew that comment would eat at you for months. ;D
Cleveland: 37
Pats: 14
Pats: 31
Colts: 28
They're good. Nothing special, though.
Falcons = #1 team in the NFL right now. 8)
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I knew that comment would eat at you for months. ;D
Cleveland: 37
Pats: 14
Pats: 31
Colts: 28
They're good. Nothing special, though.
Falcons = #1 team in the NFL right now. 8)
They are the most complete damn it. They can Run and Pass, Stop the run well, Stop the pass Well vs conventional QBs. And they are Tuff. Fuckin Falcons
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They are the most complete damn it. They can Run and Pass, Stop the run well, Stop the pass Well vs conventional QBs. And they are Tuff. Fuckin Falcons
Patriots = best team in the NFL right now...and while haters continue to hate, they know the truth. Pats can outsore anyone in the NFL and the defense (while giving up a lot of yards) forces a ton of turnovers and continues to gel and improve game by game. The Pats are just like the 2010 Saints, who were a lot like the 07 pats (I'm not saying the 2010 pats . 45 - 3 vs the supposed best team in football is a statement. There are just to many weapons to cover.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the Pats will get better as the year goes on, as the youngsters on the D gain confidence. I've seen improvement in every game.
Falcons are a great team, and I only give the Pats the nod as the better team because they play in the AFC and the NFC is proven to be an inferior conference.
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At this point im not sure if the AFC>NFC argument holds true.
but i still think the pats are a better than atl. Until atl goes on the road and gets a solid win i think theyre "pretenders" when discussing the elite teams. I still think theyre a good football team, obviously.
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Patriots = best team in the NFL right now...and while haters continue to hate, they know the truth. Pats can outsore anyone in the NFL and the defense (while giving up a lot of yards) forces a ton of turnovers and continues to gel and improve game by game. The Pats are just like the 2010 Saints, who were a lot like the 07 pats. 45 - 3 vs the supposed best team in football is a statement. There are just to many weapons to cover.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the Pats will get better as the year goes on, as the youngsters on the D gain confidence. I'e seen improvement in every game.
Falcons are a great team, and I only give the Pats the nod as the better team because they play in the AFC and the NFC is proven to be an inferior conference.
Dude chill with the Hater shit... No one is Hating over here. Im a steeler fan we got won 2 in 3 years. We Have the most in NFL History, So i dont hate the PAts. When i look at Falcons i see a team that can Really Run the football and control a game. Defense is solid on every level. they took care of their CB problem (2nd in the leauge in interceptions) and got Lbers and a decent d line who plays discipline. They throw the ball well.. Roddy white is 2nd leading WR in the leauge and turner is 5th leading rusher in the leauge in Turner. I really dont like the falcons as i dont like the NFC as a whole. But you cant point to a huge hole in their team that would cost them. Pats are really good and can really score. They are right behind At for best team in leauge. But if youre giving up 390 yards a game and are 2nd to last in defense...i cant call you the best team in the nfl.
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Dude chill with the Hater shit... No one is Hating over here. Im a steeler fan we got won 2 in 3 years. We Have the most in NFL History, So i dont hate the PAts. When i look at Falcons i see a team that can Really Run the football and control a game. Defense is solid on every level. they took care of their CB problem (2nd in the leauge in interceptions) and got Lbers and a decent d line who plays discipline. They throw the ball well.. Roddy white is 2nd leading WR in the leauge and turner is 5th leading rusher in the leauge in Turner. I really dont like the falcons as i dont like the NFC as a whole. But you cant point to a huge hole in their team that would cost them. Pats are really good and can really score. They are right behind At for best team in leauge. But if youre giving up 390 yards a game and are 2nd to last in defense...i cant call you the best team in the nfl.
I was not talking about you.
I can call them the best in the NFL, because while they bend, they give up a ton of yards and they create a shitload of turnovers, and score so many points its all moot. As mentioned, they are youngm and they continute to improve.
I give the pats the edge after DESTROYING the former best team in the NFL.
Dont get me wrong, the Falcons are clearly a top team.
When the Pats play well, I dont see how they can be defended. There is always no answer for at least 2 players. Whether it be the wr's, the te's or the backs out of the backfield. You saw this last night. the jets are pretty much the only team in the NFL that can play man because of their corners, and even last night, they got smoked when the LB's were forced to cover the te's and the slot.
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really, who had the jets #1 before last night?
and if you had the jets #1..it was simply going off wins and losses.
i dont think you look at the jets and say they were head and shoulder above everyone in the league.
Still a good, much needed win for the pats.
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really, who had the jets #1 before last night?
and if you had the jets #1..it was simply going off wins and losses.
i dont think you look at the jets and say they were head and shoulder above everyone in the league.
Still a good, much needed win for the pats.
Tons of power rankings, most of the talking heads had them as the most complete team, etc.
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without looking at the stats i can tell you right now with 99% certainty that the jets are no where near resembling that of a complete team.
The defense is a shell of its former self.
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If the Falcons win home field they will be tough to tame in the NFC......
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I picked the Pats to win last night because i knew they were the better team. Jets needed overtime to beat like 3 bumbs.
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Patriots = best team in the NFL right now...and while haters continue to hate, they know the truth. Pats can outsore anyone in the NFL and the defense (while giving up a lot of yards) forces a ton of turnovers and continues to gel and improve game by game. The Pats are just like the 2010 Saints, who were a lot like the 07 pats (I'm not saying the 2010 pats . 45 - 3 vs the supposed best team in football is a statement. There are just to many weapons to cover.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the Pats will get better as the year goes on, as the youngsters on the D gain confidence. I've seen improvement in every game.
Falcons are a great team, and I only give the Pats the nod as the better team because they play in the AFC and the NFC is proven to be an inferior conference.
Patriots:
Passing yds: 11th
Rush yds: 13th
Opp passing yds: 31st
Opp rushing yds: 19th
Falcons:
Passing yds: 14th
Rush yds: 9th
Opp passing yds: 26th
Opp rushing yds: 8th
How are they better when the Falcons are significantly better in 3 of 4 major statistical categories and don't get blown out by teams like the Browns? ::)
New England loses 37-14 to the Browns while Atlanta's two losses are to the Steelers in week 1 (in overtime, nonetheless) and Philly a few weeks ago (another top 10 team).
Oh, and Atlanta beat Cleveland 20-10. :)
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the chargers are statistcally at the top of the league save S.T.
theyre 6-6 though.
on a neutral field, pats vs. falcons...
my head tells me the pats would win.
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Watching the Pats get annihilated by Cleveland and almost lose to Indy (Peyton could've easily won that game) says more than blowing out the Jets in a rivalry game. Teams always play above their capabilities in rivalry games and last night was no exception. The Pats defense isn't anywhere near good enough to handle a team of Atlanta's caliber.
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The pats are definitely vulnerable.
the browns have a history of punching the big boys in the mouth.
remember when the giants were like 10-1 or 9-0 a couple years ago? MNF browns-giants. The browns controlled that game from the first snap.
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Watching the Pats get annihilated by Cleveland and almost lose to Indy (Peyton could've easily won that game) says more than blowing out the Jets in a rivalry game. Teams always play above their capabilities in rivalry games and last night was no exception. The Pats defense isn't anywhere near good enough to handle a team of Atlanta's caliber.
Atlanta = Most Balanced Team in Football
True story
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the falcons ???
they couldn't beat dennis friggin dixon
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the falcons ???
they couldn't beat dennis friggin dixon
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Dixon isnt bad at all.. First round pick if he hadnt broke his Leg at ORegon.
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3 starts
0 touchdown passes ::)
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the falcons ???
they couldn't beat dennis friggin dixon
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Teams play up to their potential in the first game of the season, right? ::)
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Teams play up to their potential in the first game of the season, right? ::)
if the falcons won that game you would be listing it as one of their "big" wins ::)
and were only the falcons not living up to their potential in week 1?
dennis dixon is one of the worst quarterbacks i've ever seen, they couldn't beat him and that's a fact
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if the falcons won that game you would be listing it as one of their "big" wins ::)
and were only the falcons not living up to their potential in week 1?
dennis dixon is one of the worst quarterbacks i've ever seen, they couldn't beat him and that's a fact
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I don't think Dixon is that bad....and the Steelers were just reluctant to allow him to do anything more than manage the games he played in......which incidently he did very well.
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I don't think Dixon is that bad....and the Steelers were just reluctant to allow him to do anything more than manage the games he played in......which incidently he did very well.
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if the falcons won that game you would be listing it as one of their "big" wins ::)
and were only the falcons not living up to their potential in week 1?
dennis dixon is one of the worst quarterbacks i've ever seen, they couldn't beat him and that's a fact
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So you think teams are firing on all cylinders on week 1? Good joke. ::)
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So you think teams are firing on all cylinders on week 1? Good joke. ::)
do you think the steelers were and the falcons weren't?
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I don't think Dixon is that bad....and the Steelers were just reluctant to allow him to do anything more than manage the games he played in......which incidently he did very well.
they were reluctant because he sucks
played "well" how?
he will not be a steeler next year, he's a poor mans kordell stewart
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do you think the steelers were and the falcons weren't?
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No. What's your point?
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they were reluctant because he sucks
played "well" how?
he will not be a steeler next year, he's a poor mans kordell stewart
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What was their record w/him? And where in my post do you see "played well?" I said he managed the games well, which he did.
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What was their record w/him? And where in my post do you see "played well?" I said he managed the games well, which he did.
2-1 THIS YEAR
Last year he played very well against ravens last year for his first Start.
Now he dosent get 1st team reps because we have Big Ben. But i think if he got 1st team reps and more experience.. dude would do very well
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2-1 THIS YEAR
Last year he played very well against ravens last year for his first Start.
Now he dosent get 1st team reps because we have Big Ben. But i think if he got 1st team reps and more experience.. dude would do very well
thats what I thought.....and like you mentioned, he was tearing it up at Ore before the injury. I think he has some potential.
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Espn Power Rankings
1 (1) Falcons 10-2 The 10-2 Falcons have to like their chances with two of their final four games against Carolina. (Sando)
2 (2) Patriots 10-2 The Patriots look unbeatable at home, which bodes well for the playoffs. (Clayton)
3 (5) Steelers 9-3 There's not a better defensive closer in the NFL right now than safety Troy Polamalu. (Walker)
4 (4) Ravens 8-4 Despite big names, the offense needs to score more consistently to win down the stretch. (Walker)
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No. What's your point?
my point is it doesn't matter what week they played, they couldn't beat dennis dixon
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What was their record w/him? And where in my post do you see "played well?" I said he managed the games well, which he did.
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he didn't finish the 3rd start
what exactly is "managing the game well"?
handing the ball off because you can hardly complete a pass?
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2-1 THIS YEAR
Last year he played very well against ravens last year for his first Start.
Now he dosent get 1st team reps because we have Big Ben. But i think if he got 1st team reps and more experience.. dude would do very well
he didn't win the titans game, he got hurt and batch took over
he ran for a nice td against the ravens, other than that he was completely ineffective
he's a career backup at best, what he did at oregon means nothing, and he wasn't even an eric crouch in college
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he didn't win the titans game, he got hurt and batch took over
he ran for a nice td against the ravens, other than that he was completely ineffective
he's a career backup at best, what he did at oregon means nothing, and he wasn't even an eric crouch in college
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Ouch. :-X :-X
I think he went to work on a farm or something too. ;)
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he didn't finish the 3rd start
what exactly is "managing the game well"?
handing the ball off because you can hardly complete a pass?
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c'mon Earl you have watched enough football to know what it is....think Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. Dixon stepped in and I remember people saying Pitts might start 1-3......well it didn't happen. There have been plenty of QBs who had nice careers just managing games, not turning the ball over, etc...
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and i feel the better team lost in october, even though a 4th string qb was playing
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yeah Earl....I get it. Anybody playing behind Ben is considered 4th string. We were lucky to win.
But good luck keeping Ben healthy for the rest of the season with that shitty O-line. Suggs and Ngata lived in the Steelers backfield all game long.
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c'mon Earl you have watched enough football to know what it is....think Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. Dixon stepped in and I remember people saying Pitts might start 1-3......well it didn't happen. There have been plenty of QBs who had nice careers just managing games, not turning the ball over, etc...
the steeler defense played almost perfect while dixon was in
trust me he played no part in the ONE WIN with him starting the game
trent dilfer made a pro bowl in 97, he wasn't as bad as people seem to think
think about this, dixon's biggest play was a 30 yard run
do you really want your qb's biggest play in 3 games to be a run? i don't
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yeah Earl....I get it. Anybody playing behind Ben is considered 4th string. We were lucky to win.
But good luck keeping Ben healthy for the rest of the season with that shitty O-line. Suggs and Ngata lived in the Steelers backfield all game long.
batch was 4th sting, that is a fact he would've been cut if leftwich didn't get hurt
ben is always unhealthy and all teams live in the steeler backfield, no worries :)
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ESPN experts think otherwise.
Atlanta #1
Pats #2.
They're playing the best football. They're soundly beating teams like the Packers, who are legit contenders.
And where did I rave about New Orleans? I said they're entertaining to watch. Their defense, much like the Pats, has never impressed me.
What quality opponents besides the Jets have the Pats beat soundly? I'll give you the Pittsburgh game but who else? The Colts? Peyton could have, and should have, won that game. Baltimore? In OT?
You don't get blown out by the Browns and still be able to lay claim to the best team in the NFL. Especially when the other 10-2 team can chalk up its losses to week 1 against Pittsburgh and recently against Philly (a title contender, something the Browns are not).
Your stats are a smoke screen. Teams with losing records regularly have great passing and rushing stats
Three stats matter: ppg, total points allowed and turnovers.
Pats = Highest ppg in the nfl vs tough defenses, and as a whole. Scoring an avg of five points more per game vs. the Falcons.
Pats = Large amount of turnovers generated. Falcons do a good job at this too, but I don't think they make big plays at key times.
Total points allowed = Falcons allowing 3 less points per game, which is offset + 3 by the patriots scoring advantage.
Pats = Poor statstial defense , that makes big plays and turns the ball over...just like last years saints (who you raved about), it's the same fucking team, dude.
Who gives a shit about the Pats losing the the Browns? They have killed several of the best teams in the NFL, and beat the snot out of the team you said was the best team in the NFL a few weeks ago. So they lost to one bad team and to a team far better than the Eagles in the Jets. They've also beat opponents much more soundly than the eagles. Right now, they are playing the best football.
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batch was 4th sting, that is a fact he would've been cut if leftwich didn't get hurt
ben is always unhealthy and all teams live in the steeler backfield, no worries :)
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He would've been cut anyway. No team keeps 4 quarterbacks on a 52 man roster. Qb's hardly ever make the practice squad. Skill position players are to valuable so no team is going to roll with 4 QB's during a full NFL season.
You just love to discount the Ravens wins simply because Ben didn't play in those games. Again, Ben doesn't play defense. In the NFL, it's next man up. You roll with what you have. Sure, Ben's valuable but we also beat you back in September with #43 playing in your secondary.
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ESPN experts think otherwise.
Atlanta #1
Pats #2.
They're playing the best football. They're soundly beating teams like the Packers, who are legit contenders.
And where did I rave about New Orleans? I said they're entertaining to watch. Their defense, much like the Pats, has never impressed me.
What quality opponents besides the Jets have the Pats beat soundly? I'll give you the Pittsburgh game but who else? The Colts? Peyton could have, and should have, won that game. Baltimore? In OT?
You don't get blown out by the Browns and still be able to lay claim to the best team in the NFL. Especially when the other 10-2 team can chalk up its losses to week 1 against Pittsburgh and recently against Philly (a title contender, something the Browns are not).
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ESPN's power ranking as a cog in your argument? Ok, forget it..
Fox has the Pats at 1, it must be true: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings
Of course you didn't address the statistical points I made (as always); arguing with you is pointless, as your ridiculous and childish need to discredit the patriots at every turn is clouding your ability to have a discussion.
You're the "could have" "should have" king.
Yes, the Falcons super impressive 16-14 win over the niners was a statement of their dominance.
Agree to disagree.
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He would've been cut anyway. No team keeps 4 quarterbacks on a 52 man roster. Qb's hardly ever make the practice squad. Skill position players are to valuable so no team is going to roll with 4 QB's during a full NFL season.
You just love to discount the Ravens wins simply because Ben didn't play in those games. Again, Ben doesn't play defense. In the NFL, it's next man up. You roll with what you have. Sure, Ben's valuable but we also beat you back in September with #43 playing in your secondary.
so he was a 3rd string qb then? is that what you are saying?
you don't think ben not playing helped your team? ravens haven't beaten him since 06 when he was still fucked from the motorcycle accident, face it he has your teams number
troy was sent on a blitz when flacco threw that td pass in sept, the blitz worked well last sunday :D
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ESPN's power ranking as a cog in your argument? Ok, forget it..
Fox has the Pats at 1, it must be true: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings
Of course you didn't address the statistical points I made (as always); arguing with you is pointless, as your ridiculous and childish need to discredit the patriots at every turn is clouding your ability to have a discussion.
You're the "could have" "should have" king.
Yes, the Falcons super impressive 16-14 win over the niners was a statement of their dominance.
Agree to disagree.
What statistical points? You mean your opinion that the Pats will be able to continue creating big turnovers? Relying on a sub-par defense to make turnovers won't win you a Super Bowl. Funny that hearsay and speculation translates to statistical analysis these days.
I'm more interested in numbers and the numbers say the Falcons are statistically better in 3 of the 4 major categories. You can spin it anyway you want to try to show that Pats are statistically better (they're not).
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What statistical points? You mean your opinion that the Pats will be able to continue creating big turnovers? Relying on a sub-par defense to make turnovers won't win you a Super Bowl. Funny that hearsay and speculation translates to statistical analysis these days.
I'm more interested in numbers and the numbers say the Falcons are statistically better in 3 of the 4 major categories. You can spin it anyway you want to try to show that Pats are statistically better (they're not).
Then Pay attention to stats that I posted.
Three stats matter (actually four including games won): Points per game, turnovers and total points allowed.
-Pats = Highest ppg in the nfl vs tough defenses, and as a whole. Scoring five more points per game than the Falcons.
-Pats = Large amount of int's and turnovers generated. Falcons do a good job at this to as well, but I don't think they make big plays at key times like the Patriots do.
-Total points allowed = Falcons allowing 3 less points per game, which is offset + 2 by the patriots scoring advantage. Frankly the defenses are very close.
Total points allowed is the stat that matters, who gives a fuck about how many yards they give up? It's the points that matter! You can give up 300 yards, but if it only turns into 10 points then it's a job well done.
Conclusion = at worst these teams are even...But if you look at my stats, the Patriots are a bit better do to the fact they score more points per game. There is no trickery involved. It's points scored vs points allowed vs turnovers created, real easy, dude. Not the mumbo-jumbo you posted.
As I said, bad teams often have great rushing and passing stats, so who gives a shit? The Chargers were leading the NFL in every offensive/defensive category when they where what 2-7? You want examples of teams that have won the superbowl with really good offenses and poor defenses? How about the Colts and the Saints. You had a hard on for both those teams during their runs, and now you've changed your tune, ha. Translation = I say whatever I can to discredit the Pats no matter what type of evidence I am presented.
There is no hersay involved in my argument. The stats I provided are from NFL.com. Apparently you don't understand them.
Lastly, how do I know the Pats will continue to create turnovers? Based on 12 games and the stats. How do you know the Falcons will continue to do what they do? Prob based on 12 games and the stats ::)
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so he was a 3rd string qb then? is that what you are saying?
you don't think ben not playing helped your team? ravens haven't beaten him since 06 when he was still fucked from the motorcycle accident, face it he has your teams number
troy was sent on a blitz when flacco threw that td pass in sept, the blitz worked well last sunday :D
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Yeah, gotcha. You keep saying the same rap every post. You're so ridiculous. Ben was 'fucked' in 2006. ::) If he was fucked he wouldn't have been out there playing.
You don't think the Ravens not having Le' Ron Mclain, Heap, and a healthy Oher didn't help the Steelers last Sunday? Le'ron always is a beast against the Steelers and he would have helped out our running game, BIGTIME. But the thing is, is that I don't make injury excuses when we lose to the Steelers. That's your job to do for the games that the Ravens win.
Yeah, I know Ben has the Ravens number. But there will come a time very shortly where his ass is grassed. Not only that but I would much rather play Ben and the Steelers than Manning and the Colts. At least the Ravens/Steelers games are close.
Enjoy cheering and supporting your douchebag of a QB. Won't be long before he fucks up again. But as long as he's winning now, that's all that matters, right? ;)
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so you're saying ben was perfectly fine in 06? why do you use oher as an excuse then?
steelers were missing 2 o lineman not including flozell adams who left the game early, don't forget that cheap shot on heath miller that took him out, no aaron smith on the d line
i think it's a valid point that the ravens haven't beaten big ben since 06, not an excuse
yes i will continue supporting a man that has never been charged with a crime, you on the other hand are cheering for a man charged and put on trial for murder in ray lewis, and a man thrown in jail for murder in donte stallworth
choke on that, slapnuts ;D
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Ben was fine enough to play. If your QB is injured to such a degree, he won't play. He was fine in 2006. Agree to disagree on that one.
Oher had to play but his lateral movement was affected by the previous game's knee injury. Besides, his backup has never started a game in the NFL.
The fact that the state's DA threw out the case was because he was too much of a pussy to go head-to head with the Big Ben's high priced jew attorney. Ben's financial status and pedigree got that case thrown out more than anything.
Lewis didn't kill anybody. Wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong kind of friends from his childhood. His only mistake was keeping with dirtbag, ghetto leeching friends. Since 2000, have you heard so much as a peep from Ray Lewis' personal life? Nope.
Last time I checked, Ben was a two time loser with a now very short leash in the NFL.
No excuse for Stallworth. But he paid his dues and that's the end of it.
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ok it was a coincidence ben played like a chicken with his head cut off throughout the 06 season ::)
you just keep believing the words of an under 21 skank with a fake id that followed ben from bar to bar across town, and a whack job that told all her coworkers "i can't wait to have a little roethlisberger"
why couldn't ray pay anybody off? you can always judge a person by the company they keep, if ray was friends with murderers he isn't much better
stallworth is a convicted murderer, where do you get the nerve to talk shit about ben who is guilty of nothing more than being a cocky jerk that thinks he's better than most? did you cheer for that murderer when he caught that long pass from flacco?
"paid his dues" so all should be forgiven and forgotten ::)
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ok it was a coincidence ben played like a chicken with his head cut off throughout the 06 season ::)
you just keep believing the words of an under 21 skank with a fake id that followed ben from bar to bar across town, and a whack job that told all her coworkers "i can't wait to have a little roethlisberger"
why couldn't ray pay anybody off? you can always judge a person by the company they keep, if ray was friends with murderers he isn't much better
stallworth is a convicted murderer, where do you get the nerve to talk shit about ben who is guilty of nothing more than being a cocky jerk that thinks he's better than most? did you cheer for that murderer when he caught that long pass from flacco?
"paid his dues" so all should be forgiven and forgotten ::)
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Hey....this country is all about giving 2nd chances. Ben is proof that we now believe in 3rd chances.
Ray didn't pay anybody off. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice with the DA. Ray was 24 years old at the time of all that bullshit. He's 35 years old now and doesn't hang with young hoodlums. Nearly all 1st or 2nd year NFL players(especially from the U. of Miami.) keep a small entourage and Ray had a lot of growing up to do when he entered the league. He was a cocky asshole in his first few years in Baltimore and he really wasn't well-liked locally, to be perfectfully honest. Let's just say that the 2000 trial was real opener to get his shit together. I'll be the first to admit that he was lucky he avoided jail time.
But he didn't murder anyone in the first place, it's really stupid for anyone to pin that on him these days. But hey, haters gonna hate.
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again ben has been charged with nothing, so what is all this "chance" talk?
it's stupid to compare ben to ray
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Pats struggle to beat a Packers team with a QB making his first ever career start. Not impressed.
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Pats struggle to beat a Packers team with a QB making his first ever career start. Not impressed.
Lol, at your OBSESSION with the Patriots. It's ALL you post about. You don't post about your team, the Giants, and had nothing to say about their massive chokejob today. You never have anything to say, unless it's regarding your massive complex with the Red Sox and Patriots. It's pure comedy, keep it up!
Haters gonna hate!!! 12-2, buddy.
Right Desean!!!!!
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Lol, at your OBSESSION with the Patriots. It's ALL you post about. You don't post about your team, the Giants, and had nothing to say about their massive chokejob today. You never have anything to say, unless it's regarding your massive complex with the Red Sox and Patriots. It's pure comedy, keep it up!
Haters gonna hate!!! 12-2, buddy.
Right Desean!!!!!
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What's there to say besides acknowledging that the Giants, once again, beat themselves? Take away the turnovers and idiotic mistakes like that punt and they're 13-1. There isn't a team in the NFL that has managed to beat themselves more than the GMen.
I'm commenting on the Pats as you've spent the last 2 pages of this thread once again anointing them the greatest team to ever grace the field (sounds eerily similar to a certain undefeated regular season year) yet they once again struggled to beat a team you claim they're better than. Is it safe to assume that a Rodgers-led Pack would've beaten them by 2-3 TDs?
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Ravens get a signature win against the Saints. With two games to play and a recent Steelers loss, the Ravens still have a shot to win the division. Without Troy P, the Steelers are a completely different team on defense. No question Troy should be the defensive player of the year. So valuable. If the division title depends on it, Troy will play in the regular season finale.
Either way, the Ravens are playoff bound whether it be at home or on the road. We seem to play much better when we're not the favorites so playing on the road in the postseason is just fine with me.
Terrell Suggs continues to play like a monster this season. 1 sack (11 on the year) and a forced fumble against the Saints.
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What's there to say besides acknowledging that the Giants, once again, beat themselves? Take away the turnovers and idiotic mistakes like that punt and they're 13-1. There isn't a team in the NFL that has managed to beat themselves more than the GMen.
I'm commenting on the Pats as you've spent the last 2 pages of this thread once again anointing them the greatest team to ever grace the field (sounds eerily similar to a certain undefeated regular season year) yet they once again struggled to beat a team you claim they're better than. Is it safe to assume that a Rodgers-led Pack would've beaten them by 2-3 TDs?
I wanna kick Matt Dodge and the special teams coach right in the nuts >:(
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I wanna kick Matt Dodge and the special teams coach right in the nuts >:(
He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds. :-X :-X
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He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds. :-X :-X
Bullshit. The snap went right into his breadbasket and he kicked a line drive. No time for the coverage team to bear down on Jackson because of the lack of hang time. He's a fucking rookie. To blame it on the snap is ridiculous and his comment is probably going to cause a rift in the locker room. He experienced a brain fart under pressue, simple as that.
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He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds. :-X :-X
He was TOLD to kick the fucken ball outta bounds but for some reason he didn't....he has sucked all damn year!
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He was TOLD to kick the fucken ball outta bounds but for some reason he didn't....he has sucked all damn year!
Manningham had a good game. 8) I just do not understand why you guys went away from your bread and butter which is giving it to Bradshaw and Jacobs. :o :o
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Manningham had a good game. 8) I just do not understand why you guys went away from your bread and butter which is giving it to Bradshaw and Jacobs. :o :o
His fumble led to a Eagles TD :-\...but besides that he played very well.Eagles were playing 8 in the box making it tough to run.
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The failed punt's not even that big of a deal. Giving up three TDs in 7 minutes is another story. The punt was just the icing on a massive collapse.
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Nice to finish with 12 wins on the season but it sucks to have to play on the road as a wildcard. I'd be lying if I said it didn't matter who we played in the playoffs but I was secretly glad the Ravens don't have to play the Colts in the 1st round.
That being said, Kansas City will be a tough out. If the Ravens can contain their running game, I like our chances. The Chiefs looked awful at home against the Raiders today even though their starters played the entire game.
Hope Michael Oher is good to play next week.
GO RAVENS!
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Will be chillin at the crib... We rock
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Enjoy the week off, the Steelers definitely earned it.
The Ravens have no one to blame but themselves for being a wildcard. That loss to Pittsburgh on Dec. 5th still stings. Hope we get to play you guys again, maybe the outcome will be different. Whatever happens, it won't be a blowout.
Hope we kick the living shit out of the Chiefs next Sunday.
Go Ravens!
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Enjoy the week off, the Steelers definitely earned it.
The Ravens have no one to blame but themselves for being a wildcard. That loss to Pittsburgh on Dec. 5th still stings. Hope we get to play you guys again, maybe the outcome will be different. Whatever happens, it won't be a blowout.
Hope we kick the living shit out of the Chiefs next Sunday.
Go Ravens!
Basically.. Chiefs have no answer for the Ravens and out of all the teams the Chiefs dont want to play, the Ravens and Steelers are on top of the list. Because basically they want to run the football.. Steelers give up 62 yards per game and Ravens give up 90 ypg on the ground while the Chiefs get the bulk of their yards on the ground with 160/game. Thing is this, good run defense beats good run offense every year. So i think you will make quick work of Chiefs. That is, if Hali dosent get loose. As far as Steeler Ravens match up.. man hard hitting again. That was the most exciting 13-10 game in the history of the world..
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I agree about the hard hitting games. being a defensive guy myself, I love seeing 13-10 games. The hell with high-scoring shootouts.
But can the fucking Ravens just win one big game against the Steelers?? Just one goddamn game? If you guys beat us again in the playoffs then the Ravens/Steelers is no longer a rivalry, in my opinion. We have to fucking win once in awhile for it to be a rivalry and we haven't.
Ben has our number, plain and simple. Funny how the NFL works. The Patriots have the Steelers number and the Steelers have the Ravens number. Something has to give.
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I agree about the hard hitting games. being a defensive guy myself, I love seeing 13-10 games. The hell with high-scoring shootouts.
But can the fucking Ravens just win one big game against the Steelers?? Just one goddamn game? If you guys beat us again in the playoffs then the Ravens/Steelers is no longer a rivalry, in my opinion. We have to fucking win once in awhile for it to be a rivalry and we haven't.
Ben has our number, plain and simple. Funny how the NFL works. The Patriots have the Steelers number and the Steelers have the Ravens number. Something has to give.
I hope the Colts beat the Pats this year so we dont have to face them. We dont match up well against them. Only stragety against the pats is to totally take away the intermediate pass and go with a cover 2 accross the board underneath with corners and backers and play around with 43 while keeping Clark deep. Because Pats dont beat anyone on deep routs. only slants by WRs and Seams by TEs.. So if we make them run.. i think we can deal with that. but trusting ike and Mcfadden on the corners to come up and make a tackle while in cover 3.. will be tough. And as for the Ravens. I just hope they dont wise up and figure out that their key to victory is Rice matched up on a route with one of our linebackers..
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my steelers have come a long way since the offseason 8)
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I hope the Colts beat the Pats this year so we dont have to face them. We dont match up well against them. Only stragety against the pats is to totally take away the intermediate pass and go with a cover 2 accross the board underneath with corners and backers and play around with 43 while keeping Clark deep. Because Pats dont beat anyone on deep routs. only slants by WRs and Seams by TEs.. So if we make them run.. i think we can deal with that. but trusting ike and Mcfadden on the corners to come up and make a tackle while in cover 3.. will be tough. And as for the Ravens. I just hope they dont wise up and figure out that their key to victory is Rice matched up on a route with one of our linebackers..
I don't see how the Steelers can take away the intermediate/underneath routes the Pats run. Welker commands a double in the slot, and the tight ends will destroy LB's in coverage. Groncowski is 6'7 and Hernandez essentially a giant wr playing te. Cover two's weakness is the middle of the field 10 -15 yards from scrimmage, and Hernandez and Gronc have the speed and quickness to exploit lb's and safety's in this area. Further more, if your lb's are asked to cover a zone deep, they will have to contend with Gronc/Hernandez + Tate who can run deep routs 20+ yards out. That's not even getting into the fact that Dion Branch is an extremely good route runner as well, and you've got to account for Woodhead out of the backfield (1000 yards from scrimmage), and BJGE who had a 1000+ yard season and is averaging 4.5 ypc.
The Pats have a deep threat in Brandon tate, and frankly, TB has been able to decipher and beat the DB defense more often than not. Love him or hate him, he is playing on another planet right now. Over the last 8 weeks the Pats have hung 30+ on the following top ranked defenses: Steelers(2), Jets(3), Bears(9), Packers(7), Dolphins (6). I don't think taking away anything is going to be feasible, maybe containing and keeping Brady off the field by using your excellent running game and pressure schemes is more realistic. Big Ben has the ability to keep you in it if it turns into a track meet, and the Pats are soft in the middle of the field. To me, establishing the run is how you beat the Pats, IF, you can score and contain them on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be tough because the Pats have been playing w/o Mike Wright, Jermaine Cunnigham and Brandon Spikes over the last 4 weeks, and they are very good run stoppers.
If the Pats continue with their m.o, you can expect to have to score 30 points or you lose. I would say it was a farce if they hadn't been smashing top defenses for the last 8 weeks.
I am in no way saying that the Pats are unbeatable, or that a great teams like the Steelers or Ravens can't come up with a plan to stop them, I'm just saying.
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i like my steelers chances, they are getting healthy and peaking at the right time
so far it looks eerily similar to 2008
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I don't see how the Steelers can take away the intermediate/underneath routes the Pats run. Welker commands a double in the slot, and the tight ends will destroy LB's in coverage. Groncowski is 6'7 and Hernandez essentially a giant wr playing te. Cover two's weakness is the middle of the field 10 -15 yards from scrimmage, and Hernandez and Gronc have the speed and quickness to exploit lb's and safety's in this area. Further more, if your lb's are asked to cover a zone deep, they will have to contend with Gronc/Hernandez + Tate who can run deep routs 20+ yards out. That's not even getting into the fact that Dion Branch is an extremely good route runner as well, and you've got to account for Woodhead out of the backfield (1000 yards from scrimmage), and BJGE who had a 1000+ yard season and is averaging 4.5 ypc.
The Pats have a deep threat in Brandon tate, and frankly, TB has been able to decipher and beat the DB defense more often than not. Love him or hate him, he is playing on another planet right now. Over the last 8 weeks the Pats have hung 30+ on the following top ranked defenses: Steelers(2), Jets(3), Bears(9), Packers(7), Dolphins (6). I don't think taking away anything is going to be feasible, maybe containing and keeping Brady off the field by using your excellent running game and pressure schemes is more realistic. Big Ben has the ability to keep you in it if it turns into a track meet, and the Pats are soft in the middle of the field. To me, establishing the run is how you beat the Pats, IF, you can score and contain them on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be tough because the Pats have been playing w/o Mike Wright, Jermaine Cunnigham and Brandon Spikes over the last 4 weeks, and they are very good run stoppers.
If the Pats continue with their m.o, you can expect to have to score 30 points or you lose. I would say it was a farce if they hadn't been smashing top defenses for the last 8 weeks.
I am in no way saying that the Pats are unbeatable, or that a great teams like the Steelers or Ravens can't come up with a plan to stop them, I'm just saying.
really bro... a double in the slot... ::) Please point out a video tape of that.. any game where Welker was Double Teamed while in the slot
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really bro... a double in the slot... ::) Please point out a video tape of that.. any game where Welker was Double Teamed while in the slot
Here is an article from Newsday. It's Derelle Revis talking about how most teams double Welker in the slot. I don't think youtube is going to have many videos of what you are looking for. Who films random double teams?
Darrelle Revis opted for another word to describe Wes Welker, preferring to use a different term than slouch – the well-chronicled comment he thought perfectly depicted Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. “Trouble,” the Jets Pro Bowl cornerback said. “That guy is very dangerous. Usually when you watch film on Welker, most teams are doubling him in the slot and that’s what type of player he is. He can hurt you. He’s dangerous. We know that and we’ve got to keep an eye on him wherever he is on the field.”
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/sportspatriots/901601-221/revis-jets-haveonly-respectfor-pats-welker.html
No lb can cover welker, he will beat single coverage, and the cb's have to respect the wr's and tight ends. Someone will be open. The Jets have two corners who can play legit man, and they got torched a few weeks ago. Imo, best way to stop the Pats is to run the ball and keep Brady off the field, and rush four straight up the middle. No one has been able to do it yet, but the playoffs are a different animal.
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Here is an article from Newsday. It's Derelle Revis talking about how most teams double Welker in the slot. I don't think youtube is going to have many videos of what you are looking for. Who films random double teams?
Darrelle Revis opted for another word to describe Wes Welker, preferring to use a different term than slouch – the well-chronicled comment he thought perfectly depicted Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. “Trouble,” the Jets Pro Bowl cornerback said. “That guy is very dangerous. Usually when you watch film on Welker, most teams are doubling him in the slot and that’s what type of player he is. He can hurt you. He’s dangerous. We know that and we’ve got to keep an eye on him wherever he is on the field.”
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/sportspatriots/901601-221/revis-jets-haveonly-respectfor-pats-welker.html
No lb can cover welker, he will beat single coverage, and the cb's have to respect the wr's and tight ends. Someone will be open. The Jets have two corners who can play legit man, and they got torched a few weeks ago. Imo, best way to stop the Pats is to run the ball and keep Brady off the field, and rush four straight up the middle. No one has been able to do it yet, but the playoffs are a different animal.
so teams are doubling welker in the slot. Well i need to see how you double welker when you had moss (esp when they played the jets. Moss was still part of the team) then..how the hell do you double a guy that runs outs and slants. You usually double a guy that runs the deep routes like 7s, 8s, and 9s, ..how do you double a 2 or 3 route. i think a shallow sink zone with hella pressure will take away what brady wants jto do. but im not a hall of fame defensive co so what do i know
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so teams are doubling welker in the slot. Well i need to see how you double welker when you had moss (esp when they played the jets. Moss was still part of the team) then..how the hell do you double a guy that runs outs and slants. You usually double a guy that runs the deep routes like 7s, 8s, and 9s, ..how do you double a 2 or 3 route. i think a shallow sink zone with hella pressure will take away what brady wants jto do. but im not a hall of fame defensive co so what do i know
This article is from the second meeting. moss was traded several months prior. The film Revis was talking about is w/o Randy on the team.
Not sure how you do it, but I hope the Steelers single cover him, because if he's got a lb on him or your #3 cb, it means they will convert third downs 99% of the time. Infact, if they don't take him out of the game w special coverages I think he'll go for 90 - 100 yards and 2 td's.
If you can get consistant pressure rushig four, it will disrupt theit timing.
I'm sticking to your running game as the key to stopping the Pats. Think about it....play ball control and go on long sustained drives.
I say this because Brady has a 70% completion percentage vs. Dick and the steelers. I dont think they will take away anything. I think they can contain, pressure and play keep away. Ben can score points.
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All in all, I think its pretty safe to say that the Ravens match up better against the Patriots than the Steelers do. After all, we've proven that we can beat them. The Steelers can't say the same.
If the Ravens beat the Chiefs it's likely we travel to Foxboro and that's fine by me.
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All in all, I think its pretty safe to say that the Ravens match up better against the Patriots than the Steelers do. After all, we've proven that we can beat them. The Steelers can't say the same.
If the Ravens beat the Chiefs it's likely we travel to Foxboro and that's fine by me.
As a Pats fan the ravens running game worries me.
As a Ravens fan your pass defense should worry you. The Pats have the ability the shred it, and can run it well enough to force your db's/lb's to respect the run.
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As a Pats fan the ravens running game worries me.
As a Ravens fan your pass defense should worry you. The Pats have the ability the shred it, and can run it well enough to force your db's/lb's to respect the run.
They haven't shredded it in the past two meetings but that doesn't mean it can't happen in any given game. Tom Brady is Tom Brady.
The Ravens offense has been cranking up the running game in the last several weeks. Ray Rice hasn't had that marquee breakout game this season yet. I'm hoping he blows up in the playoffs.
We lost our #1 cornerback during training camp. But Ed Reed is on fire right now in the secondary with 8 picks in 10 games. Dawan Landry made the pro bowl as an alternate at strong safety, too. Hope we get the chance to play each other in the divisional round.
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They haven't shredded it in the past two meetings but that doesn't mean it can't happen in any given game. Tom Brady is Tom Brady.
The Ravens offense has been cranking up the running game in the last several weeks. Ray Rice hasn't had that marquee breakout game this season yet. I'm hoping he blows up in the playoffs.
We lost our #1 cornerback during training camp. But Ed Reed is on fire right now in the secondary with 8 picks in 10 games. Dawan Landry made the pro bowl as an alternate at strong safety, too. Hope we get the chance to play each other in the divisional round.
I hear you. I’m going to throw out last year, because this team is 360 degrees different than the team you faced in 2009. Tons of new players -- etc. You’re right, the pats didn’t shred you earlier in the year, but I think you’d agree that the current version of the Patriots is a totally different animal than what you faced over 8 weeks ago. Over the last 8 weeks, the Pats have blown out 5 of the NFL’s top 10 defenses. They can run it, pass it, they have a devastating screen game, a no one has had an answer for the TE’s. The reason I’d be worried about my pass defense if I was a Ravens fan (beyond the numbers), is the Pats vs. Jets game. Ryan’s defense is similar to what you run in Baltimore. Aggressive, confusing and blitz happy. Thing is, they have far superior corners and can play legit man…and they got fucking rocked by the Patriots passing game. I’d a lso fear their ability to throw it in bad weather. As you know, defenders are at a disadvantage when the field is slick. The Pats went into Chicago during a blizzard and dropped 30+ on their field. Chicago’s got the 9th ranked D in the NFL, and pass rushers Julies Peppers and Tommy Harris.
The Pats defense continues to create turnovers, while limiting their own. They’ve given it up 10 times this season (an NFL record) and turned it over 34 times. That’s the equivalent of an extra 1300 yard rusher. Devon MCourty is a pro bowler, and frankly, a top three corner, as a rookie. If Darrell Revis is the benchmark, MCourty smoked him rookie season for rookie season. You’ve also got pro bowlers in Wilfork, Mayo (170 tackles), Meriweather, and the return of run stuffer Brandon Spikes, and pass rusher Mike Wright. They give up a lot of yards, but they don’t give up big plays and the make plays. That being said, they’re very soft in the middle of the field.
The Ravens are the pats biggest threat. They have to contain that excellent running game, and manage your pass rushers. If it comes down to Flacco beating them, I don’t think he can do it, but I do realize he is a gamer, and you’ve got some very – very nice offensive weapons to attack them with. It’s going to end up coming down to the wire if they play, just throwing in my .2.
Hope to see you as well!
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I hear you. I’m going to throw out last year, because this team is 360 degrees different than the team you faced in 2009. Tons of new players -- etc. You’re right, the pats didn’t shred you earlier in the year, but I think you’d agree that the current version of the Patriots is a totally different animal than what you faced over 8 weeks ago. Over the last 8 weeks, the Pats have blown out 5 of the NFL’s top 10 defenses. They can run it, pass it, they have a devastating screen game, a no one has had an answer for the TE’s. The reason I’d be worried about my pass defense if I was a Ravens fan (beyond the numbers), is the Pats vs. Jets game. Ryan’s defense is similar to what you run in Baltimore. Aggressive, confusing and blitz happy. Thing is, they have far superior corners and can play legit man…and they got fucking rocked by the Patriots passing game. I’d a lso fear their ability to throw it in bad weather. As you know, defenders are at a disadvantage when the field is slick. The Pats went into Chicago during a blizzard and dropped 30+ on their field. Chicago’s got the 9th ranked D in the NFL, and pass rushers Julies Peppers and Tommy Harris.
The Pats defense continues to create turnovers, while limiting their own. They’ve given it up 10 times this season (an NFL record) and turned it over 34 times. That’s the equivalent of an extra 1300 yard rusher. Devon MCourty is a pro bowler, and frankly, a top three corner, as a rookie. If Darrell Revis is the benchmark, MCourty smoked him rookie season for rookie season. You’ve also got pro bowlers in Wilfork, Mayo (170 tackles), Meriweather, and the return of run stuffer Brandon Spikes, and pass rusher Mike Wright. They give up a lot of yards, but they don’t give up big plays and the make plays. That being said, they’re very soft in the middle of the field.
The Ravens are the pats biggest threat. They have to contain that excellent running game, and manage your pass rushers. If it comes down to Flacco beating them, I don’t think he can do it, but I do realize he is a gamer, and you’ve got some very – very nice offensive weapons to attack them with. It’s going to end up coming down to the wire if they play, just throwing in my .2.
Hope to see you as well!
180 Degrees...if it were 360 you would be back where you started... 180 is on the opposite end of 360
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180 Degrees...if it were 360 you would be back where you started... 180 is on the opposite end of 360
Haha....I was going to say something but Body88 is usually on point with everything he says. ;D
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I hear you. I’m going to throw out last year, because this team is 360 degrees different than the team you faced in 2009. Tons of new players -- etc. You’re right, the pats didn’t shred you earlier in the year, but I think you’d agree that the current version of the Patriots is a totally different animal than what you faced over 8 weeks ago. Over the last 8 weeks, the Pats have blown out 5 of the NFL’s top 10 defenses. They can run it, pass it, they have a devastating screen game, a no one has had an answer for the TE’s. The reason I’d be worried about my pass defense if I was a Ravens fan (beyond the numbers), is the Pats vs. Jets game. Ryan’s defense is similar to what you run in Baltimore. Aggressive, confusing and blitz happy. Thing is, they have far superior corners and can play legit man…and they got fucking rocked by the Patriots passing game. I’d a lso fear their ability to throw it in bad weather. As you know, defenders are at a disadvantage when the field is slick. The Pats went into Chicago during a blizzard and dropped 30+ on their field. Chicago’s got the 9th ranked D in the NFL, and pass rushers Julies Peppers and Tommy Harris.
The Pats defense continues to create turnovers, while limiting their own. They’ve given it up 10 times this season (an NFL record) and turned it over 34 times. That’s the equivalent of an extra 1300 yard rusher. Devon MCourty is a pro bowler, and frankly, a top three corner, as a rookie. If Darrell Revis is the benchmark, MCourty smoked him rookie season for rookie season. You’ve also got pro bowlers in Wilfork, Mayo (170 tackles), Meriweather, and the return of run stuffer Brandon Spikes, and pass rusher Mike Wright. They give up a lot of yards, but they don’t give up big plays and the make plays. That being said, they’re very soft in the middle of the field.
The Ravens are the pats biggest threat. They have to contain that excellent running game, and manage your pass rushers. If it comes down to Flacco beating them, I don’t think he can do it, but I do realize he is a gamer, and you’ve got some very – very nice offensive weapons to attack them with. It’s going to end up coming down to the wire if they play, just throwing in my .2.
Hope to see you as well!
Every week is different, every game is different. Actually, the Ravens defense doesn't blitz nearly as much now as when Ryan was the D coordinator. The Ravens don't pile up sacks in bunches. Suggs was our top guy with 11 sacks on the year. They next highest total was 6 by Ngata. Instead, the defense relies more on blitzes that are designed to throw off the timing of the QB. A well-timed blitz that causes an incompletion or an errant throw is almost as good as a sack. That's the Ravens defensive philosophy in a nutshell.
If the Ravens and Pats play, I see the Ravens D playing with a lot of 3 man fronts with the occasional LB blitz or SS playing closer to the line of scrimmage to guard the screens. The LB's will be playing shallow to defend the slot and quick slants. I'm sorry, but Benjarvis-Green doesn't scare me against the Ravens front seven. Yes, he's an effective rusher but he accounted for only 20 yards on 10 carries in the first meeting. It's Woodhead that scares me. He's a shifty little fucker out of the backfield. Gronkowski is a beast in the redzone but let's not forget that he's a rookie and this is the playoffs. Recess is over, time to go to school. Hernandez drops too many passes and I don't think he's earned Brady's trust as a dependable receiver just yet.
I just feel that the Ravens match up well with the Pats better than any other team. I agree with you that the Ravens represent your biggest threat. But first we need to get past the Chiefs.
One game at a time.
GO RAVENS!
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All I can say is this: the patriots have put 35+ points on 5 of the NFL’s top ten defenses over the last 8 weeks. I’d say the Jets defense is at least similar to what the Ravens run, with better corners. I do think the Patriots will be able to throw the ball on the Ravens. They’ve thrown it on better defenses. Ricki Williams made a comment that stuck with me a few days ago: he said (paraphrasing): “The patriots played harder than anyone we’ve played all season, and they had nothing to play for”. I think the Pats are mentally tough, they bring it for 60 minutes, and the playoffs will bring out their best play of the season.
Bennie should at least concern you, because he’s averaging over 4 yards a carry against top run defenses. The guys rushed for 1008 yards this year. Woodhead has over 1000 yards from scrimmage, as well. My point is that the Patriots can run the ball and you have respect it. It’s not like years past when you know they are throwing it 100 percent. Play action Is going to be much more of a concern this time around.
Groncowski is a beast, period. Blocking, catching, running, the kid does it all. He’s got 10 td’s on the season! Two off the all time NFL record! There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he will melt down in the playoffs. He had a horrendous game at the start of the season, and bounced back huge the next week, and has improved every week since then. He’s been on the field for 90% of the offensive snaps this year, he ain’t a rookie anymore. He is a nightmare for any lb or safety in the NFL. I don’t agree regarding Hernandez. He’s been a beast this year, and had some big drops during the overtime period of his last game (he’s been out for the last 3 weeks), so people tend to remember those mistakes. He’s got six td’s and 600 receiving yards in only 14 games. He’s a serious threat after the catch, as well.
It will be a great matchup if it happens. Ravens would be the toughest test.
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pats gon beat the shit out the ravens.. who we foolin..
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pats gon beat the shit out the ravens.. who we foolin..
More like beat the shit out of the Steelers if you guys end up playing one another again. At least the Ravens were winning most of the game when we played the Pats. You guys flat out got the shit kicked out of you in your own house.
I especially enjoyed it when Tom Brady spiked the ball in the endzone after #43 was acting like a dirty bitch.
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More like beat the shit out of the Steelers if you guys end up playing one another again. At least the Ravens were winning most of the game when we played the Pats. You guys flat out got the shit kicked out of you in your own house.
I especially enjoyed it when Tom Brady spiked the ball in the endzone after #43 was acting like a dirty bitch.
we=got a bye.. you=might loose to kc.. we win.. your franchise wishes they could be like ours..
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we=got a bye.. you=might loose to kc.. we win.. your franchise wishes they could be like ours..
Snappy comeback right there.....
Do your history and you'll be surprised how many #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week have lost their first playoff game in the divisional round. Any NFL player would tell you that they want that bye but in reality......teams that are hot entering the playoffs tend to have more success when they play in consecutive weeks.
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Snappy comeback right there.....
Do your history and you'll be surprised how many #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week have lost their first playoff game in the divisional round. Any NFL player would tell you that they want that bye but in reality......teams that are hot entering the playoffs tend to have more success when they play in consecutive weeks.
yeah i was drawin a blank there.. so i went with the "we're just better than you' route..
weak huh ;D
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yeah i was drawin a blank there.. so i went with the "we're just better than you' route..
weak huh ;D
It's all good. ;) I enjoy debating with Steeler fans. But with every loss when we play, I keep losing more ammo. >:(
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More like beat the shit out of the Steelers if you guys end up playing one another again. At least the Ravens were winning most of the game when we played the Pats. You guys flat out got the shit kicked out of you in your own house.
I especially enjoyed it when Tom Brady spiked the ball in the endzone after #43 was acting like a dirty bitch.
and your team lost to the bengals hahahahahaha
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Snappy comeback right there.....
Do your history and you'll be surprised how many #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week have lost their first playoff game in the divisional round. Any NFL player would tell you that they want that bye but in reality......teams that are hot entering the playoffs tend to have more success when they play in consecutive weeks.
I think the bye is a good thing if you manage your team correctly.
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the bye is always a good thing
"do your history" and tell me how many wild cards won a super bowl
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Gonna have to agree, move often than not, team with bye = advance to sb.
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the bye is always a good thing
"do your history" and tell me how many wild cards won a super bowl
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That wasn't my argument, Earl. Didn't say anything about wildcards winning a superbowl. I was talking about #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week losing their first playoff game.
but since you asked....the Baltimore Ravens were a wildcard in 2000 when we won the Superbowl. And surprise.....we were 12-4 that season also.
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and your team lost to the bengals hahahahahaha
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Ouch....what a burn. ::)
Might have a hard time recovering from that one.
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That wasn't my argument, Earl. Didn't say anything about wildcards winning a superbowl. I was talking about #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week losing their first playoff game.
but since you asked....the Baltimore Ravens were a wildcard in 2000 when we won the Superbowl. And surprise.....we were 12-4 that season also.
I'd have to say that one and two's win out more often than not. Going off memory, I can name four, one or two seeds that made the superbowl:
2003: NE
2004: NE
2007: NE
2009: NO
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Conversely, I can name multiple #1 and #2 seeds that blew their first playoff game in the divisional round:
2009: San Diego #1 seed
2008: Tennessee Titans # 1 seed, Carolina Panthers #2 seed
2007: Dallas Cowboys # 1 seed
2006: San Diego Chargers #1 seed, Baltimore Ravens #2 seed(that one still stings to this day-- >:()
And that's just in the last 5 years. Listen...I would've loved to have gotten a 1st round bye this season but it wouldn't have given me any extra reassurance that my team was a lock to make the Superbowl.
Once the playoffs start, every team is 0-0. It all comes down to who's playing their best football in December and heading into January.
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Understood, but I believe historically the #1 or #2 seed have gone on to appear/win the superbowl most often. That's all that matters.
Of course a bye would make you more confident. You'd get extra time to get healthy, and prepare for your opponent. Typically the teams who don't get the bye's claim that the extra play helps keep them sharp. Fact is, they incur an extra game of wear and tear, they have less time to prepare, and they have to play on the road most of the time.
Give me a bye all day every day.
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Ouch....what a burn. ::)
Might have a hard time recovering from that one.
actually yeah you might
that loss cost you a bye
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That wasn't my argument, Earl. Didn't say anything about wildcards winning a superbowl. I was talking about #1 and #2 seeds with a bye week losing their first playoff game.
but since you asked....the Baltimore Ravens were a wildcard in 2000 when we won the Superbowl. And surprise.....we were 12-4 that season also.
and the steelers were 12 - 4 in 08 and a 2 seed 8)
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actually yeah you might
that loss cost you a bye
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Yeah right, a loss in week 2 cost us the bye. ::)
Actually, losing to the Steelers on Dec. 5th and some jerkoff WR in Buffalo that can't catch an easy touchdown pass in overtime cost the Ravens the bye. >:(
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a loss in week 2 or week 13 still counts as one loss, and that one loss cost you the bye week
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Whatever you say, Earl. ::)
But us Ravens fans feel that we blew the bye opportunity when we lost to the Steelers on Dec.5th. A win in that game would've easily allowed us to clinch the division and a bye because we would've had a two game lead. But that's over with, we're at where we're at. We're in the big dance with a team capable of doing some serious damage in the playoffs.
The Ravens are built for the road. Our franchise playoff record proves that. I feel as if the Colts will win against the Jets. If the Ravens take care of business on Sunday then we would travel to Pittsburgh for the divsional game. Hope we get a 3rd crack at the Steelers. The jinx has to end at some point, so why not this year?
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On to Pittsburgh!
The Ravens absolutely dominated the Chiefs in the 2nd half. 5 turnovers forced by the Ravens D.
Hope the Steelers are nice and rested because the Ravens are coming to town! The Big Ben jinx has to end sometime. Why not this year on the highest stage?
One win, two more to go to reach Dallas.
GO RAVENS!
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you know they will be rested and ready :-*
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steelers-ravens..
...wake me up when the 4th quarter starts :o
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pretty good games so far jets/colts, eagles/pack
not bad match ups next week too
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QUOTE THE RAVENS
NEVERMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOLY SHIT WHAT A COMEBACK WHAT A FUCKING GAME I WILL NEVER FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Pittsburgh has only beaten New England once in the last seven times, and never in New England, since Brady has been the QB. Therefore, do you want the Jets to beat the Pats? Or the Pats, to beat the Steelers?
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just answered that in the other thread but i said i would love to beat new england in new england, that would be almost as sweet as a super bowl win
it's time, we've been waiting since 2002
it has to end now 8)
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Horrible loss. Out coached and out played in the second half. I've never seen a team fall apart the way the Ravens did in the second half. That call for holding on Webb's TD punt return was absolute garbage. But it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the end.
But the thing that kills me in this: We sacked Ben 6 TIMES today. 3rd and 19 and we rushed only 3 lineman??? What the flying fuck??? He had all day to make that throw. Just speechless about the way the Ravens played in the second half. The 3 consecutive turnovers......Jesus Christ.....Just ugly.
Hats off to the Steelers for not panicking at halftime and just turning up the juice in the second half. Best of luck in the next round.
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Horrible loss. Out coached and out played in the second half. I've never seen a team fall apart the way the Ravens did in the second half. That call for holding on Webb's TD punt return was absolute garbage. But it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the end.
But the thing that kills me in this: We sacked Ben 6 TIMES today. 3rd and 19 and we rushed only 3 lineman??? What the flying fuck??? He had all day to make that throw. Just speechless about the way the Ravens played in the second half. The 3 consecutive turnovers......Jesus Christ.....Just ugly.
Hats off to the Steelers for not panicking at halftime and just turning up the juice in the second half. Best of luck in the next round.
Get rid of CAM!! >:( >:(
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NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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No argument here.
It's a one sided rivalry for sure. What argument do I have against that? I can talk trash with the best of them but I'm talking smack with empty chambers.
Time for a new offensive coordinator, big time.
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BOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!