I honestly don't understand what's so hard to believe about the scientifically proven fact that what determines body composition (nutrition wise) are calories and a certain amount of protein. These concepts are common knowledge among nutritionists who know what they're talking about.Bro "most" cannot get ripped on junk food ..simple fact
Bro "most" cannot get ripped on junk food ..simple fact
I honestly don't understand what's so hard to believe about the scientifically proven fact that what determines body composition (nutrition wise) are calories and a certain amount of protein. These concepts are common knowledge among nutritionists who know what they're talking about.
A nutritionist wouldn't discount the micronutrients or beneficial fats in so called clean food, or endorse the trans, sat fats, or nutritionally void profile of things like fast food. That's my principal objection to Adam's junk food diet. Some foods are healthier than other foods and he's supporting the wrong ones. Unless he has amended his Adonis Diet yet again.
Second objection is just personal preference. I'd rather eat a high volume of cal sparse foods than a low volume of cal dense food. It's almost impossible to overeat when you're eating tons of veggies, but who's really going to throw out half a Big Mac, time after time, when their stomach is far from full and they're in cal debt? Someone with greater willpower than mine.
Additional restrictions may be applied for optimal health of course, although bro-science is just as prevalent there.
Exactly, it's a matter of convenience. Different for everyone. I e.g. can stick to a diet of one or two big meals of whatever I like much better than the 6 meals a day "clean" diet.
Noone is advertising extremes anyway. Just because you can get ripped on Big Macs alone doesn't mean you will only eat Big Macs, for several reasons.
me 2. I can eat 1200 calories of shit and get fat.
Im sorry but that does not work for me..If I eat crap I will balloon up in no timeAnd you are like the majority.. ;)
Allright, a pic this week I can do. I have been meaning to take some.
Allright, a pic this week I can do. I have been meaning to take some.
bump.
it's been 6 days.
silence all your critics. show us all the amazing power of the adonis principles.
ahahahahahahahahaha
WTF are all these "adonis principles" everyone keeps talking about here?A calorie is a calorie
A calorie is a calorie
WTF are all these "adonis principles" everyone keeps talking about here?Here is my daily diet log-
Getting ripped eating junk food?
Meaning someone could get ripped eating whatever he wants?
Do you follow these principles?No, I do not follow the Adonis principles , Sir .
Here is my daily diet log-
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329841.0
Stick around, you WILL learn something. ;)
calories are not just calories, calories from protein have peptides and amino acids in them that must be present for muscle growth and to maintain muscle and a healthy metabolism. carbohydrates are not even an anabolic nutrient!!!! which means not required to have a healthy metabolismCalorie value of food is like a tranny . Sure some look good, but when you strip 'em down they all have the same basic material
some of you are so retarded.
"junk food" does not make you fat!!!!!!!!!! excess calories do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"clean food" doesnt make you ripped!!!! caloric deficit does!!!!!!!!!!!
facts. basic physics. 100% undeniable scientific fact.
Adonis is gonna blow you guys away!! LOL you'll be surprised!!!C'mon I doubt TA is going to blow any of us. :-*
C'mon I doubt TA is going to blow any of us. :-*
Sure they can, it's impossible not to get ripped when you reduce calories, eat enough protein, and workout.
It may be inconvenient for some people, but so is eating 6 "clean" meals a day for others.
me 2. I can eat 1200 calories of shit and get fat.
quoted for the truth..
Only way i can get ripped is a ketogenic state. A CKD is prefered
You guys should see a doctor if you can eat 1200 calories of anything and not lose weight.
These Adonis principles are bullshit.::)
He obviously invented them just to get attention and try to start up some kind of fad. Maybe try to capitalize on it eventually.
But that's how most fitness trends start. So maybe he'll be successful. There's a huge demand for bullshit in the fitness and bodybuilding industry.
Just WOW!
i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.You are correct, but for most folks, a lean, hard albiet smaller sized physique is the goal
does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.
will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.
wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on 2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.
adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.
i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.
does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.
will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.
wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on 2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.
adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.
This is a bodybuilding board, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. I gained muscle mass on my last cut. My total weight is low due to injuries.Explain : ''I agree. I already had to give up a lot of muscle for that condition.''
The anabolic environment is created by total calories, adequate protein and heavy weight training.
Explain : ''I agree. I already had to give up a lot of muscle for that condition.''
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230327.msg3243652#msg3243652
That was not my last diet. Like everyone, I did alot of things wrong in the past.I like you Wave but don't lie to me man , you were following the Adonis principles and you were proud of it.
i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.
does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.
will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.
wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on 2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.
adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.
Just wow what? It's the truth.
This is a bodybuilding board, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. I gained muscle mass on my last cut. My total weight is low due to injuries.i really wouldnt even bother any mmore... at least not with the people who who know arent going to change their minds..
The anabolic environment is created by total calories, adequate protein and heavy weight training.
i really wouldnt even bother any mmore... at least not with the people who who know arent going to change their minds..
id just say " basic physics" and leave it at that
I like you Wave but don't lie to me man , you were following the Adonis principles and you were proud of it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222371.100
If a calorie is a calorie, then couldn't you just drink 10 gallons of sugar laden gatorade a day and get ripped?
Wavelength. I don't mean anorexic I haven't touched food in a year ripped, but solid pumped minimal muscle loss ripped.
Yeah, it's the truth that you can lose weight on a calorie controlled diet, something people have known about since the stone age. But for bodybuilding it serves no purpose.
would an all gatorade diet meet basic essential amino acid and essential fatty acid requirements? no. does wavelength's/ta's diet require you to meet those needs? yes.
sorry buddy...
So they eat some form of protein but aren't sure what the form is. I guess they figure if they eat partial proteins at different times throughout the day that by the time they go to sleep that they would magically for complete proteins for digestion.sounds like your confused as to what wavelength's diet is all about. why dont you look it up. he set up requirements that all ESSENTIAL amino acids and fatty acid requirements owuld be met.
By the way eating a low amount of calories doesn't mean you'd get ripped. Just look at starving africans with the bloated bellies.
"IF A CALORIE IS A CALORIE"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, the it is a duck...sooooo if you see waddling calorie quacking,,,,
a Calorie may be a calorie but All Calories are NOT created equal!
LOL, what exactly am I lying about?So in 2008 you were following the Adonis principles ,counting calories, eating burgers ,icecream ,wine, cookies ..................and you lost a lot of muscles.
I was talking about my last diet, which was 2009, where I gained muscle mass on the cut.
The diet before (in 2008) was the first where I tried the simple approach and I was still experimenting. Before that I tried just about any method out there.
How to lose fat, and not muscleWrong
the fool proof guide
-eat enough essential amino acids to sustain lean body mass, and have a caloric defecit.
a)it doesnt matter where the calories come from (besides those that must come from protein in order to meet the essential needs.
b)health and body composition are two different things.
Wrongits absolutely undeniably 100% accurate, completely proven by science and infallible assuming the universe is closed under physics. :) ;)
its absolutely undeniably 100% accurate, completely proven by science and infallible assuming the universe is closed under physics. :) ;)Can I just drink whey protein as the only source of aminoacids .
Can I just drink whey protein as the only source of aminoacids .sure you can! you could diet on whey protein only. just a few scoops per day is all you would need. oud get ripped in no time!!! id just advise you to eat some vegetables along with it, and also take some fish oil... the vegetables will help keep your body healthy and balance the PH of the whey... the fish oil to meet essential fatty acid requirements.
So in 2008 you were following the Adonis principles ,counting calories, eating burgers ,icecream ,wine, cookies ..................and you lost a lot of muscles.
What did you do different in 2009 ?
sure you can! you could diet on whey protein only. just a few scoops per day is all you would need. oud get ripped in no time!!! id just advise you to eat some vegetables along with it, and also take some fish oil... the vegetables will help keep your body healthy and balance the PH of the whey... the fish oil to meet essential fatty acid requirements.Would this diet work Tbombz ?
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, the it is a duck...sooooo if you see waddling calorie quacking,,,,
b)health and body composition are two different things.
I can't remember anymore why I lost (or thought I lost) muscle mass in 2008. I have to admit that I don't remember that post at all. Maybe my rate of weight loss was too high in the beginning.OK ;D
But I know I gained strength on my last cut which was very slow. I don't claim that the principles work better than any other BB diet, since any other BB diet follows them anyway.
Would this diet work Tbombz ?
Meal 1 : 250g of whey protein w/water
Meal 2 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 3 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 4 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 5 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 6 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
you would die on such a dietWhy ??? I getting my protein requirement for the day and the rest doesn't matter where it comes from , Adonis principles 101.
OK ;D
Why ??? I getting my protein requirement for the day and the rest doesn't matter where it comes from , Adonis principles 101.
Would this diet work Tbombz ?can you come up with a calorie count on that for me?? i cant answer without that
Meal 1 : 250g of whey protein w/water
Meal 2 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 3 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 4 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 5 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Meal 6 : 1/2 cup of white sugar w/10g of lard
Lack of micros and EFAs.But I don't care about being healthy I just want to get ripped to the bone without losing muscles .
Lack of micros and EFAs.
can you come up with a calorie count on that for me?? i cant answer without thatMake it 2000 calories
Why ??? I getting my protein requirement for the day and the rest doesn't matter where it comes from , Adonis principles 101.Nope. I advocate getting AT LEAST the RDA minimum of all Vitamins and Minerals. I also advocate NOT USING ANY Multivitamin whatsoever. I want all nutrients to come from your food choices.
. I also advocate NOT USING ANY Multivitamin whatsoever. I want all nutrients to come from your food choices.Why ?
Make it 2000 caloriesi dont have too much time to give you an indepth reply. but you set up that diet because you thought whey at the beginning of the day would mean that you wouldnt have any protein in your body all day long, except for a brief period when you have way too much protein.
i dont have too much time to give you an indepth reply. but you set up that diet because you thought whey at the beginning of the day would mean that you wouldnt have any protein in your body all day long, except for a brief period when you have way too much protein.So is that a good diet or not?
this is a false idea based on a false idea of protein digestions.
look up whey protein digestion rate. its about 10 grams per hour, slowly increasing over time. your 250gf whey protein shake should take about 25 hours to fully digets... ;)
But I don't care about being healthy I just want to get ripped to the bone without losing muscles .
Why ?Countless studies have shown Multivitamins to be ineffective and potentially harmful, especially when ingested daily. Plus, there is no point in taking any when your food choices are varied as mine are.
You still at least need to stay alive for that, optimal health or not.I Know people that eat worse than that and they are still alive.
Countless studies have shown Multivitamins to be ineffective and potentially harmful, especially when ingested daily. Plus, there is no point in taking any when your food choices are varied as mine are.What vitamins have to do with burning fat without losing muscles .
I Know people that eat worse than that and they are still alive.
What vitamins have to do with burning fat without losing muscles .Why are you asking such a stupid question?
Multivitamins are ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS for Women who take them. It raises their chance for Breast Cancer by 20 percent among other things.
So listen up women. Trash your Multivitamins.
Why are you asking such a stupid question?I don't know , Can you please answer my question Adonis ,are vitamins important for burning fat without losing muscles ?
I don't know , Can you please answer my question Adonis ,are vitamins important for burning fat without losing muscles ?
Give him time. He has to look it up on Wikipedia or Google
Interesting. So what should I do if I dont get alot of calcium besides my calcium pillDrink Milk, Eat Cheese. Enjoy Ice Cream. :)
Drink Milk, Eat Cheese. Enjoy Ice Cream. :)
The post you quoted "just wow" doesn't talk about losing weight.
I hate cheese its fucking gross. I drink skim milk with cereal but that is not everyday and Ice Cream, um no its empty caloriesFalse on the Ice Cream.
I hate cheese its fucking gross. I drink skim milk with cereal but that is not everyday and Ice Cream, um no its empty caloriesHow in the world can anyone hate cheese? ???
This whole calorie is a calorie BS is based on bodybuilding. Do you actually believe that you can compete in National Qualifier be it local or state following that sort of eating program up the day of a show? I could probably see it if no one showed up to compete and you were the only one there.
How in the world can anyone hate cheese? ???
VERY easily. Used to love it as a kid, but had blue cheese in my salad and it didnt sit right so since then, ewwwww to cheeseChildhood Phobia eh?
Childhood Phobia eh?
There are thousands of kinds of cheeses, each different. You should re-visit it once again and disregard the irrational past mental incident.
his diets are too low on protein even for a natural.???
eating alot of fast food he has to sacrafice protein in favour for carbs and fats for his diets to keep low in total energy,
jmo..
LOL, what exactly am I lying about?
I was talking about my last diet, which was 2009, where I gained muscle mass on the cut.
The diet before (in 2008) was the first where I tried the simple approach and I was still experimenting. Before that I tried just about any method out there.
Your argument was that we are not talking about losing weight. I just replied that I never was talking about just losing weight.
And yes, any contest prep which follows the essential rules is just as good as the next. How else would it be possible that so many completely different approaches work, even for one and the same person? The only constants are the rules of caloric restriction, adequate protein intake, essential nutrition, and training.
i dont have too much time to give you an indepth reply. but you set up that diet because you thought whey at the beginning of the day would mean that you wouldnt have any protein in your body all day long, except for a brief period when you have way too much protein.
this is a false idea based on a false idea of protein digestions.
look up whey protein digestion rate. its about 10 grams per hour, slowly increasing over time. your 250gf whey protein shake should take about 25 hours to fully digets... ;)
This whole calorie is a calorie BS is based on bodybuilding. Do you actually believe that you can compete in National Qualifier be it local or state following that sort of eating program up the day of a show? I could probably see it if no one showed up to compete and you were the only one there.
Except for maybe wavelength (I think) not one person that I can think of has ever even stepped on a bodybuilding stage yet is backing something that is totally unfounded in relation to bodybuilding. Tbombz, never competed or trained anyone to compete, TA, never competed, Wavelength, not sure if he did or not. Even if they did, I don't think they would even admit they used this type of farce for diet.176 at 5`11
TA shows pics of himself when he was in decent shape but when asked how much he weighs it's something like 156lbs at 5'11 (or something like that) sorry dude, those arn't anywhere near bodybuilding stats in a real contest.
I will ask you this....how is it that we have these national competitors claiming "they can eat just about anything and get ripped"? Do you think its just the introduction of "supplements" these people are using....or is it the fact that they are meeting caloric needs (with deficit)?
Contest prep hasnt really changed much....thats for sure. Its a slippery slope with loss of muscle (yes, I know you dont believe in that adam).....which is minimized with drugs.
176 at 5`11
Hope that helps.
How in the world can anyone hate cheese? ???x2 If you hate cheese, then the terrorists have won.
It's a combination of both, when I used to train bodybuilders I never counted calories, only macros, what ever the calorie count, I never worried about it. People are eating what they want, on a cheat day, but I promise not as a regular part of a contest prep. The use of cutting compounds in addition to doing more cardio than weight training make a HUGE difference. Bottom line, dieting for a show is difficult if you're doing it the right way.
However there are upper level competitors that start loading on insulin and of course carbs beginning about 4-5 days out from a show with sometimes taking in up to 1000 or more grms leading up to the show (the "GH" gut is not "GH", it's carb loading) Those are not counted by calories but rather by macros.
Could careless about calorie count.
Doesn't matter if you cared about it or not, guaranteed the total calories your clients were eating are less than what they were burning. I mean you wouldn't recommend high proteini, high carbs and high fat right? It would be high protein, low carb, moderate fat...high protein, medium carb, low fat...etc...increase one macro and decrease another...but in the end total calories were less than what was being burned right?
Yes
so everyone agrees that you need to ingest less calories than you burn...and counting calories is one way of getting comfort that you are indeed ingesting less calories than you're burning....so why all the bickering?Macros
Because some people on here think a 300 calorie donut is the same as 300 calories of fish or chicken or red meat or broccoli, etc, etc. No, you do not have to be calorie deficit, I get lean and stay big on 2500-3000 calories of meat and veggies, I cannot get lean and retain size on 3000 calories of ice cream, cupcakes and shit even if I were to take in enough protein. No, calories count is not the same as counting macros.
and that sums it up right thereNegative.
Negative.Positive
Positive
Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.
I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.
sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.
thanks che..go get himNP I already did ;)
NP I already did ;)Did not.
Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.
I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.
Sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.
Did not.I did
I didDisagreed.
Disagreed.I love you Adonis but we have irreconcilable differences .
I love you Adonis but we have irreconcilable differences .
I love you Adonis but we have irreconcilable differences .Likewise and I can accept our differences even if others can`t.
Maybe we should play a Match of Soccer. ;D My play is like Dragba's :o;D
Likewise and I can accept our differences even if others can`t.
???yes 120 grams protein in one day is very little for even a natural bodybuilder
Is this addressed to me? You are DEAD WRONG if so.
I have created a Daily Diet Log just to show how wrong you and the others are:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329841.0
176 at 5`11
Hope that helps.
these were taken two years ago.I`m bigger (184) and Leaner (leaner than the pics posted) right now.
hope that helps.
Except for maybe wavelength (I think) not one person that I can think of has ever even stepped on a bodybuilding stage yet is backing something that is totally unfounded in relation to bodybuilding. Tbombz, never competed or trained anyone to compete, TA, never competed, Wavelength, not sure if he did or not. Even if they did, I don't think they would even admit they used this type of farce for diet.
TA shows pics of himself when he was in decent shape but when asked how much he weighs it's something like 156lbs at 5'11 (or something like that) sorry dude, those arn't anywhere near bodybuilding stats in a real contest.
Q: Last October I attended Dutch Grand Prix and had a chance to talk to many of my
bodybuilding heroes. Interestingly, once I started asking them several questions I have
realized that all of them train and diet differently. When I continued with specific
questions about contest preparation, I learned that some of the great champions (like
Dorian, Ronnie and Dennis James) count their calories and choose only several
different foods ( chicken, steak, egg whites, oatmeal, potatoes and vegetables),
while others (like Dexter Jackson, Cormier and supposedly Flex and Shawn) don’t.
What is your approach?
A: As you just noticed it is possible to use many different methods of training and dieting
and accomplish outstanding results. You mentioned the names of probably the very best
bodybuilders in the last decade and as you realized they all have different beliefs about th
contest preparation. I am actually very close to some of them, and I am very familiar with
their programs. My friend Dennis, for example, is so precise that he would not miss any
of his meals for even a minute. Does he count calories? He measures everything he eats
and he would not use a single gram (of either protein, carbohydrates or fat) more or less
than what was planned. Here is example of his exact diet for the Mr. Olympia
competition (starting 16 weeks out):
4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM Training
11 AM Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)
12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM 300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM 300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM Training
7:30 PM Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM 300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight - Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).
Exciting, is in it? I would go crazy on this kind of diet, but Dennis actually enjoyed it!
If anyone can believe this – he complained that he was constantly hungry?!?
Dennis is just one of my fellow competitors/friends that I design diet for. What I usually
do is estimate their energy intake/expenditure and than according to amount of time they
have until the contest – design diet that would get them in contest shape couple of weeks
before they have to step on the stage. Of course idea is to preserve as much muscle mass
while efficiently loosing body fat. If their weight/ body fat does not drop as planned I
immediately make necessary changes. I would give the daily allowance for amount of
protein/carbs/fat without really limiting the choices. Many of my “clients” usually get
confused when I tell them that I would allow them to choose what they WANT to eat.
Their response is – they thought that only thing they should be eating would be (like you
said) – chicken, fish, steak, egg whites, potato, rice, oatmeal and vegetables!
At that point I would give them one of my yearly journals (I kept precise diet journals
since 1987 with times and amounts of food I was eating for more than 70 shows that
I have entered). Only thing that was constant on those pages was total amount of calories,
protein/carbs and fat, but food choices were different just about every day!
They could not believe that I would eat pancakes, waffles, bread, diary products, nuts,
different oils (olive, safflower, flax…), fruits or even gourmet meals ( you name it I had
it, in low fat version of that meal), just weeks before the show!?
My question to them (and all of you that might be surprised) is why not?
I would allow myself to eat 500 grams of Protein, 500 grams of Carbohydrates and 60
grams of fat, which is total of about 4500 calories.
So as long as I stay in those margins I would allow myself to enjoy whatever food I like
the most. If I estimate that my energy expenditure is more than 4600 calories daily why
would I be afraid of eating pancakes/waffles or whatever else? My body is going to use
those carbohydrates as energy just like it would from rice or potatoes. Our body has its
physiological and metabolic needs for abundance of nutrients loaded with good calories.
Competitive bodybuilders have tremendous amount of muscle mass (muscle is very
metabolically active tissue that consumes a lot of energy for its existence) and during
their pre contest period they have enormous energy demands ( 2 daily workouts with
additional aerobic activities). Good friend of mine –John Brown (multiple Mr. Universe
winner and IFBB professional) would never even attempt to eat “diet meals”. He would
eat his normal food (eggs, beacon, Cool Aid, French fries..) all the way up to a contest.
He would just make sure he burns those calories during his grueling workouts.
Thierry Pastel was the same. I saw him during European Tour eating everything he can
lay his hands on. Only, he would make sure that he has about 6 hours access to a local
gym ( to do his usual daily workout). Dexter Jackson? This guy starts dieting 6 weeks
out, never does cardio and trains only 3 times a week. I almost forgot – he can never
eat chicken or fish, so only protein he gets comes from steaks (in every meal).
Shawn Ray, one of the best and most consistent IFBB pro champions NEVER measures
his food or count calories yet, manages to always come in awesome shape.
Flex Wheeler has a reputation to constantly cheat on his diet (hamburgers and French
Fries) and Kevin Levrone use exclusively fish, vegetables and about a litter of Jack
Daniells all the way until the day of the contest (including back stage). Both champions
almost won most prestigious bodybuilding title in more than one occasion! (Please don’t
try their diet next time you decide to compete).
So, to answer your question - I recommend counting calories and having specific ratio of
all three macro nutrients (protein, carbohydrates and fat). However, I would not advise
anyone to limit their food choices as dramatically as some of the competitors do.
Seafood pasta, cabbage rolls, beef stir fry, strawberry waffles, chocolate rice pudding or anything else could be on your next contest diet menu. Just make sure that your total
intake of particular nutrients is appropriate to what you want to accomplish.
Here's a guy I prepped for shows recently. He ate plenty of junk on his diet while losing fat and weight. We just kept track of macros and if he wanted to eat bread or milk or fruit or even candy for his carbs he did so. Many times we ate at McDonald's after training. He just had 3 burgers with only one set of buns or whatever. :D Sure, he could've been plenty leaner but that is mostly a function of reducing energy intake further (and suffering more, and you'll suffer even with junk when you're not eating much). It's easier for many to track macros extremely accurately with "clean foods" but you can get ripped eating some so-called junk. And no, you don't need any crazy shit like DNP for it to work.
Here's a guy I prepped for shows recently. He ate plenty of junk on his diet while losing fat and weight. We just kept track of macros and if he wanted to eat bread or milk or fruit or even candy for his carbs he did so. Many times we ate at McDonald's after training. He just had 3 burgers with only one set of buns or whatever. :D Sure, he could've been plenty leaner but that is mostly a function of reducing energy intake further (and suffering more, and you'll suffer even with junk when you're not eating much). It's easier for many to track macros extremely accurately with "clean foods" but you can get ripped eating some so-called junk. And no, you don't need any crazy shit like DNP for it to work.
Here's a guy I prepped for shows recently. He ate plenty of junk on his diet while losing fat and weight. We just kept track of macros and if he wanted to eat bread or milk or fruit or even candy for his carbs he did so. Many times we ate at McDonald's after training. He just had 3 burgers with only one set of buns or whatever. :D Sure, he could've been plenty leaner but that is mostly a function of reducing energy intake further (and suffering more, and you'll suffer even with junk when you're not eating much). It's easier for many to track macros extremely accurately with "clean foods" but you can get ripped eating some so-called junk. And no, you don't need any crazy shit like DNP for it to work.
I`m bigger (184) and Leaner (leaner than the pics posted) right now.
Hope this helps.
Here's a guy I prepped for shows recently. He ate plenty of junk on his diet while losing fat and weight. We just kept track of macros and if he wanted to eat bread or milk or fruit or even candy for his carbs he did so. Many times we ate at McDonald's after training. He just had 3 burgers with only one set of buns or whatever. :D Sure, he could've been plenty leaner but that is mostly a function of reducing energy intake further (and suffering more, and you'll suffer even with junk when you're not eating much). It's easier for many to track macros extremely accurately with "clean foods" but you can get ripped eating some so-called junk. And no, you don't need any crazy shit like DNP for it to work.Is he using GH ? T3 would be in there somewhere Id imagine to yes ?
well done. looks great.
i would imagine his caloric intake had a ceiling, and you state his macros insofar as carbs/ fats went were pliable- but i trust his protein intake always remained static and ample for the most part, say at least 5 out of the 7 days a week?
furthermore, there was a window instituted between the last junk meal and his fasted resting state?
i just don't want anyone who advocates the 'adonis principles', and especially those who are not as informed as some to think these results would be typical on the type of diet wavelength (not busting your balls bro - i like you) and adonis (you're a fag) advocate.
there are a lot more factors in play here in this guys prep than eat junk food = get lean.
Is he using GH ? T3 would be in there somewhere Id imagine to yes ?
176 at 5`11
Hope that helps.
Wow, Van B, good job on the prep looking like that. I will say it wouldn't work for me at all though. I have a cheat day once a week. Safe to say works for me.
Mmm, the approach to contest dieting hasn't changed all that much in the last 30 years. Still macro controlled no matter what the calories come out to. If you argue that competitors are are taking more carbs than before then fine, just consider WHY the are taking in more carbs.
Except for maybe wavelength (I think) not one person that I can think of has ever even stepped on a bodybuilding stage yet is backing something that is totally unfounded in relation to bodybuilding. Tbombz, never competed or trained anyone to compete, TA, never competed, Wavelength, not sure if he did or not. Even if they did, I don't think they would even admit they used this type of farce for diet.
TA shows pics of himself when he was in decent shape but when asked how much he weighs it's something like 156lbs at 5'11 (or something like that) sorry dude, those arn't anywhere near bodybuilding stats in a real contest.
you gained muscle during your cutting diet?
Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.
I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.
Sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.
;) :D
You know I'd love to discuss this but it's not my place to disclose someone else's sensitive info. :-X :D
You can't be eating much weighing so little? How much are you eating? A single junk food meal would probably exceed your daily allowance. :D Much harder to eat too much with "clean foods".
I have posted what I eat and wont hijack a thread (yes shocking I know). Oh yea my saturday junk food day is good for at least 3 llb gain the next day and if drinking is involved then 5 llb gainYou must go completely wild if you are consuming 28,000 calories on top of your maintenance amount of calories in order to store 8 lbs of fat. :o
Because some people on here think a 300 calorie donut is the same as 300 calories of fish or chicken or red meat or broccoli, etc, etc. No, you do not have to be calorie deficit, I get lean and stay big on 2500-3000 calories of meat and veggies, I cannot get lean and retain size on 3000 calories of ice cream, cupcakes and shit even if I were to take in enough protein. No, calories count is not the same as counting macros.
You must go completely wild if you are consuming 28,000 calories on top of your maintenance amount of calories in order to store 8 lbs of fat. :o
Do you start eating as soon as you wake up?
How this is debated is beyond me.
NOOO there is no way I eat 28,000 calories in a day, are you nuts (wait nevermind scratch that). Its gone by Monday morning. Here is what I usually have on my cheat day as an example.Epic 1600 calories.
Coffee, sugar free french vanilla and 3 equals
Woke up, ran for 5 miles then hit the stairclimber for 45 minutes
Big ass bowl of cinnamon toast crunch with sliced banana
snack, Celery and carrots with hummus
Lunch, Salad with chick peas and ranch dressing
Dinner, usually go out to eat and drinking michelob ultra. If I'm home, usually pasta with homemade gravy or baked ziti
Dessert, me and mini me go to Dairy Queen, I get the butterfinger blizzard but just tried the banana cream pie one (omg to yummy)
Epic 1600 calories.
NOOO there is no way I eat 28,000 calories in a day, are you nuts (wait nevermind scratch that). Its gone by Monday morning. Here is what I usually have on my cheat day as an example.Jesus fuck all christ, THAT is NOT a "Cheat Day".
Coffee, sugar free french vanilla and 3 equals
Woke up, ran for 5 miles then hit the stairclimber for 45 minutes
Big ass bowl of cinnamon toast crunch with sliced banana
snack, Celery and carrots with hummus
Lunch, Salad with chick peas and ranch dressing
Dinner, usually go out to eat and drinking michelob ultra. If I'm home, usually pasta with homemade gravy or baked ziti
Dessert, me and mini me go to Dairy Queen, I get the butterfinger blizzard but just tried the banana cream pie one (omg to yummy)
First off, I enjoy running and doing cardio. I don't have Jezz's genetics. Im greek and italian we're born to be chubbies IMO.There is NOTHING wrong with your genetics! Stop being scared of yourself and take ADVANTAGE of your genetics.
That is a cheat day for me, not in your eyes but it is for me.
I have been known to slam a whole medium dominos pizza (no cheese cuz its icky) all by myself.
There is NOTHING wrong with your genetics! Stop being scared of yourself and take ADVANTAGE of your genetics.
First off, I enjoy running and doing cardio. I don't have Jezz's genetics. Im greek and italian we're born to be chubbies IMO.Fair enough.
That is a cheat day for me, not in your eyes but it is for me.
I have been known to slam a whole medium dominos pizza (no cheese cuz its icky) all by myself. And if I ate like that everyday Id look like this fatty
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=258094.0;attach=286681;image)
but I'd prefer looking like this with having IMO only one cheat day a week
(http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs545.snc3/29847_1443788581259_1429467195_31235039_4581548_n.jpg)
OMG debating with you is like debating with my 5 year old lol
Fair enough.
I just wanted to point out that your genetics are more than adequate and that you really don`t have to be all sadomasochistic about diet and exercise. (in other words you don`t have to kill yourself) If you enjoy it, then so be it.
Newmom, you did Extremely well.
I`d like to ask you about your experience about how people treat you now vs. then. Any interesting observations?
the only time I killed myself is training for the marathon I did last October. This year I'm doing a triathlon and 2 months later another marathon and never did a triathlon so Im gonna kill myself training for that shit. I love to runAllright. You got me. I completely apologize. I did not know you loved to run marathons and the like. I can understand fully about loving to run.
Allright. You got me. I completely apologize. I did not know you loved to run marathons and the like. I can understand fully about loving to run.
You don`t bitch and moan about cardio because you love it. My personal view of running is enjoyable (used to run track and long distance) despite not doing it now.
Again, sorry.
OMG debating with you is like debating with my 5 year old lol
It's cool TA, I wouldn't say I love marathons (I always said I wanted to run a marathon before I was 40, and didn't run until Oct of 2008 after loosing most of my weight) but it was a pure HAPPINESS crossing that finish line. I balled like a baby after the last turn. I see mini me and my folks cheering and clapping and mini me is yelling GO MOM and on the stretch announcer says here comes runner 1869 Deanna blah blah. I lost it (women are silly)Much respect. A marathon is no easy task.
I'm more leary now to run a marathon because I know what Im gonna feel like the next day lol
pic of me right after I saw mini me
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs417.snc3/25138_1384057488019_1429467195_31091779_34264_n.jpg)
crossing the finish line, crying like a baby
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Why would you make your 5 year old seem so dumb. there is no debating Apenis. How come he hasn't posted his photo and I don't get why he looked like this when a calorie is a calorie and if he ate what he wanted like in this photo he is fat yet in the later photos he is lean. He diets and does cardio. He pretends not to and thinks that because he writes in his log he ate a pizza and hamburger we believe it. He is so funny when it comes down to having him actually prove anything. So far he has never proved anything he has ever said he has done. Alot like Goodrum. No video of 112 reps with 225, no gravity suit, no photos of him today, no proof of going to a culinary school (since he preaches all about food and cooking), and a whole lot of other shit. The only thing he is good for (alot like Goodrum) is that reading his dribble is funny. He is a funny guy. Annoying but funny. And posting pics of his sister all the time is a little creepy.Conspiracy theorist.
Newmom what you have done is amazing. He doesn't get the genetics thing. I have several friends that girls who have had 2 or 3 kids and they are bikini models still. I have a friend in Hawaii who has 2 kids is 30 years old has no stretch marks does absolutely no cardio or training and drinks beer like water. The photo below is of her lower half. That is after two kids no dieting no nothing. I love it when Apenis says genetics has nothing to do with anything. Genetics has alot to with it. i love it when he thinks he knows more than experts. He went to a community college and that's a fact. Anyway, you are a success story and should be proud. If I can get off my ass and stay unhurt hopefully I'll join you.
Why would you make your 5 year old seem so dumb. there is no debating Apenis. How come he hasn't posted his photo and I don't get why he looked like this when a calorie is a calorie and if he ate what he wanted like in this photo he is fat yet in the later photos he is lean. He diets and does cardio. He pretends not to and thinks that because he writes in his log he ate a pizza and hamburger we believe it. He is so funny when it comes down to having him actually prove anything. So far he has never proved anything he has ever said he has done. Alot like Goodrum. No video of 112 reps with 225, no gravity suit, no photos of him today, no proof of going to a culinary school (since he preaches all about food and cooking), and a whole lot of other shit. The only thing he is good for (alot like Goodrum) is that reading his dribble is funny. He is a funny guy. Annoying but funny. And posting pics of his sister all the time is a little creepy.
Newmom what you have done is amazing. He doesn't get the genetics thing. I have several friends that girls who have had 2 or 3 kids and they are bikini models still. I have a friend in Hawaii who has 2 kids is 30 years old has no stretch marks does absolutely no cardio or training and drinks beer like water. The photo below is of her lower half. That is after two kids no dieting no nothing. I love it when Apenis says genetics has nothing to do with anything. Genetics has alot to with it. i love it when he thinks he knows more than experts. He went to a community college and that's a fact. Anyway, you are a success story and should be proud. If I can get off my ass and stay unhurt hopefully I'll join you.
Then do it once your leg is better. The picture you posted, that is awesome after kids. I was what they call a thick girl before I had mini me. I kept eating and eating and got to 263 pounds at 5ft3. See she was always in shape where I never was. I wasn't obese until after mini me. But thank you for the kind words.Did you find people making excuses FOR you when you were heavier? Almost as if they preferred you to be heavy versus where you are now?
TA your damn right its not easy but is addicting. Doing a half marathon in 6 weeks but not training like a marathon. Ill increase miles soon daily but that is about it. Do I have mental issues regarding being a big girl again and what i eat and loving cardio YES I DO, cannot help it but I'm woman enough to admit it lol
I hate cheese its fucking gross. I drink skim milk with cereal but that is not everyday and Ice Cream, um no its empty caloriesyou drink skim milk but wont eat ice cream??? theres a huge amoiunt of ice cream on the markey that is made with skim milk.. and thats all it is. theres alot of frozen yoogurts based on skim milk too. ice cream with zero fat, containing some whey and casien protein, and some slow glycemix carbs with added calcium.... sounds very nutritious to me!!
pic of me right after I saw mini me
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs417.snc3/25138_1384057488019_1429467195_31091779_34264_n.jpg)
Conspiracy theorist.
Keith, what are your politics like? I have never heard your opinion on political issues. You aren`t a birther by chance are you?
I am a realist for whatever that means. I come from an era where if you talk shit then you have to prove it. Nowadays people like you and Goodrum can literally say anything they want, pretend to know things you have no idea what you are talking about because you can simply look it up on the internet and talk shit without having to prove who you are, what your background is or if you even have any experience in what you are talking about. Everyone knows Goodrum is full of shit so he is on here just because he mentally unstable. You on the other keep going and going even though people ask you to prove what you are saying, show some sort of proof and you do nothing but back peddle and steer off the subject. How long has people been asking you for your photo of you today. I have posted photos of you fat. So what happened there? If you can eat what you want and stay skinny why are you fat there. You post up some food you are saying you are eating and staying lean well post some photos or do you look fat again.Uh, when I was obese, (which was by choice, I had a goal of reclaiming a 600 lb deadlift) I was eating as much as I could with no caloric limit. It is easier for me to deadlift with a large waist.
Just quit talking shit and show us something. Like Newmom says debating with you is like a 5 year old. I have no political anything. Maybe you should practice that too cause whatever you do doesn't work. Post up your college degree while you are at it
What's with all the hem-hawing around taking a new pic Adonis? all you gotta do is goto any mirror in your place and snap a photo. it doesnt have to be professional lighting and taken by someone at the freakin gym.
you've been sayin you would post a recent pic for weeks. If you looked GOOD, you would have already jumped on this challenge by now. the fact you've been avoiding it and backpedaling says that you either look BAD, or are trying to "get ready" to take a pick.
I am a realist for whatever that means. I come from an era where if you talk shit then you have to prove it. Nowadays people like you and Goodrum can literally say anything they want, pretend to know things you have no idea what you are talking about because you can simply look it up on the internet and talk shit without having to prove who you are, what your background is or if you even have any experience in what you are talking about. Everyone knows Goodrum is full of shit so he is on here just because he mentally unstable. You on the other keep going and going even though people ask you to prove what you are saying, show some sort of proof and you do nothing but back peddle and steer off the subject. How long has people been asking you for your photo of you today. I have posted photos of you fat. So what happened there? If you can eat what you want and stay skinny why are you fat there. You post up some food you are saying you are eating and staying lean well post some photos or do you look fat again.Also, I have dieted all the way down using the traditional bodybuilder approach and its absolutely horrible and pointless.
Just quit talking shit and show us something. Like Newmom says debating with you is like a 5 year old. I have no political anything. Maybe you should practice that too cause whatever you do doesn't work. Post up your college degree while you are at it
I am a realist for whatever that means. I come from an era where if you talk shit then you have to prove it. Nowadays people like you and Goodrum can literally say anything they want, pretend to know things you have no idea what you are talking about because you can simply look it up on the internet and talk shit without having to prove who you are, what your background is or if you even have any experience in what you are talking about. Everyone knows Goodrum is full of shit so he is on here just because he mentally unstable. You on the other keep going and going even though people ask you to prove what you are saying, show some sort of proof and you do nothing but back peddle and steer off the subject. How long has people been asking you for your photo of you today. I have posted photos of you fat. So what happened there? If you can eat what you want and stay skinny why are you fat there. You post up some food you are saying you are eating and staying lean well post some photos or do you look fat again.Here is my traditional Bodybuilding diet log when I was heavy years back, hope this helps:
Just quit talking shit and show us something. Like Newmom says debating with you is like a 5 year old. I have no political anything. Maybe you should practice that too cause whatever you do doesn't work. Post up your college degree while you are at it
where is this? for some reason im getting a flashback and this looks very similar to a road in northampton , massachusettes
Did you find people making excuses FOR you when you were heavier? Almost as if they preferred you to be heavy versus where you are now?
you drink skim milk but wont eat ice cream??? theres a huge amoiunt of ice cream on the markey that is made with skim milk.. and thats all it is. theres alot of frozen yoogurts based on skim milk too. ice cream with zero fat, containing some whey and casien protein, and some slow glycemix carbs with added calcium.... sounds very nutritious to me!!
ice cream is the best bodybuilding food out there: milk, nuts, fruit 8)
::)
Keep in mind Keith, I have tried each way equally and have compared and made an easy decision based on the evidence (results) as well as taking in the comparative body of evidence (peer-reviewed studies).
You on the other hand, never have seen your abs once in your life, nor have you ever reduced your caloric intake to an acceptable or healthy level.
You have always been overweight, even at your strongest, (you know the benefits of having a LARGE WAIST and how it translates to lifting poundages).
Of course your power to weight ratio was never any good, but the poundages are decent.
NO I normally don't eat ice cream. I had no idea there is ice cream made with skim milk, because I tend to stay away from the outside aisles. If I really dont miss ice cream why keep it in the house. Now chips on the other hand I dont keep in the house too tempting lolall different types of fat free ice creams... most of them made with skim milk.. even better is fat free frozen yogurt.. basically the same thing, except with tons of live and active cultures to boost digestive health
If for nothing else, Adonis' method of "dieting" is far superior to eating 100% clean because ANYONE can follow it year round and more importantly for a lifetime. Most people don't have the desire nor willpower to eat clean for the rest of their lives. However, eating whatever you want to eat and keeping it within a certain number of calories is certainly feasible for everyone.
all different types of fat free ice creams... most of them made with skim milk.. even better is fat free frozen yogurt.. basically the same thing, except with tons of live and active cultures to boost digestive health
I will check it out thanks..see I learned something today..GO MEyw! enjoy :)
::)
I ate ice cream at my leanest, what exactly should be the problem with ice cream as long as total protein intake is sufficient and all essential nutrition is met?
here is the problem. I do not come on here and brag about my abs or condition. I never once said anywhere I was a bodybuilder. Never. See the difference is you go around saying you are a bodybuilder and diet expert and basically an expert in everything, yet you are NOT and expert in anything. You talk alot of shit but never back it up with something of your own. You cut and paste more than anyone. Big difference see. You talk alot but never produce. At 300 pounds my waist was just a little over 37". Your waist in that fat photo is bigger than mine and I weigh 40+ pounds more than you. See you can't argue with me and get anywhere. I have achievements and I have titles and I have proof of what I say. You have NONE. Again, you have NOTHING. I don't go around bragging about my lifts or strength. Others for the past 25 years have done that for me. I will of course put my lifts and achievements down when appropriate though. See your problem is you think (like Goodrum again) that the internet is some kind of "stage" that is an accomplishment. You think if you come on here and talk about shit you don't know about and try to convince everyone you do then you have achieved something. Like I have always said, show some proof you have done anything you have said. you can't even post a photo of you today. And you have been asked numerous times by many. Where is your college degree. Where is the video of your deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, where is your gravity suit. DO you see the pattern here. you talk alot of shit and can't back one thing up. Sorry son but all your fancy talk means nothing in the REAL world.Pure lies. Every single picture of you has you morbidly obese. I have no malice when I state that as it is simply the truth.
You are an underachiever more than most because to make up for it you throw bullshit around to pretend you are not. Prove me wrong. Post up what I say. You talk shit about Dr. Connelly and he invites you to debate and you back down. See the pattern again. All the fancy talks means nothing in the real world unless you can prove it. Sure some might beleive your bullshit on here but the people who know anything don't. Sorry son you lose
Pure lies. Every single picture of you has you morbidly obese. I have no malice when I state that as it is simply the truth.
I wish you the best but if you are looking to your past for some sort of inspiration, don`t do it. You were as unhealthily overweight then as you are now.
Try something new.
Again you side step. you an expert in this I give you that. By the way funny how someone like you with NO experience, NO achievements, No formal education but community college, NO athletic achievements can preach to anyone. What is funny is you went from really being morbidly obese to being way to skinny and now you are back to being a fat slob. How do you explain that? And I bet you anything at 300 I would out perform you in any lift and just about any sport. Sorry but those are facts.Wrong on all accounts. Sorry, you are just grasping at straws at this point. Whatever irrational concoction of lies you have to meld together in order to make yourself feel better I guess is part of the manic depressive process and I don`t fault you for it. As long as it keeps you from killing yourself, I see no harm in you being an alchemist of dishonesty.
Wrong on all accounts. Sorry, you are just grasping at straws at this point. Whatever irrational concoction of lies you have to meld together in order to make yourself feel better I guess is part of the manic depressive process and I don`t fault you for it. As long as it keeps you from killing yourself, I see no harm in you being an alchemist of dishonesty.
A lot of us here have offered help and support but you continually bat our hands away thinking you know better. Well, you don`t. Mark my words, you will end up dead prematurely and these words will be posted:
Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
Prove me wrong. Post one thing I asked for. Again you side step. Maybe you should change your screen name to SideStep Apenis. It's alright though, you keep pretending if thats what you like to doI`d rather you persist in your delusion. Its healthier that way. At least for you.
FUCK, I think this is some kind of conspiracy from TA, Tbombz and yourself to just flat out drive the rest of us that know better crazy (or at least the ones with little patience that don't accept this complete bullshit, in case you haven't noticed, I have little patience) Out of the other two dildos on here (TA, Tbombz) I would have thought you would have been the more intelligent of the two. Fuck!
I`d rather you persist in your delusion. Its healthier that way. At least for you.
How come he hasn't posted his photo and I don't get why he looked like this when a calorie is a calorie and if he ate what he wanted like in this photo he is fat yet in the later photos he is lean. He diets and does cardio. He pretends not to and thinks that because he writes in his log he ate a pizza and hamburger we believe it. He is so funny when it comes down to having him actually prove anything. So far he has never proved anything he has ever said he has done. Alot like Goodrum. No video of 112 reps with 225, no gravity suit, no photos of him today, no proof of going to a culinary school (since he preaches all about food and cooking), and a whole lot of other shit.
What do you think of Milos' article I posted? And how did guys like Vince Taylor or Milos' example of John Brown ever get lean and ripped eating junk? It can't be the Humalog, can it? :DWrong. I am sorry if YOU are irritated, that certainly is not my intention. However I couldn`t care less if you are. Of course Protein is important, but with my approach you get enough by default as to not have to worry about it.
TA is a troublemaker on here and tries to irritate people on purpose but wavelength is pretty serious and reasonable IMO. TA denies it now but I remember he said protein wasn't important, etc.
wow.When will a new picture of me posted become invalid?
fucking bang on.
i'm glad im not the only one who sees thru this clowns dog and pony show.
FUCK, I think this is some kind of conspiracy from TA, Tbombz and yourself to just flat out drive the rest of us that know better crazy (or at least the ones with little patience that don't accept this complete bullshit, in case you haven't noticed, I have little patience) Out of the other two dildos on here (TA, Tbombz) I would have thought you would have been the more intelligent of the two. Fuck!
Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes. Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.
When will a new picture of me posted become invalid?
Just curious.
truthfully i could care less to see yet another pic of your troll-like features.???
all i had really set out to do was show everyone what a lying sack of shit you are- do not think the people who post on this board are as stupid as you would like to hope.
mission accomplished.
:)
It's a combination of both, when I used to train bodybuilders I never counted calories, only macros, what ever the calorie count, I never worried about it. People are eating what they want, on a cheat day, but I promise not as a regular part of a contest prep. The use of cutting compounds in addition to doing more cardio than weight training make a HUGE difference. Bottom line, dieting for a show is difficult if you're doing it the right way.
However there are upper level competitors that start loading on insulin and of course carbs beginning about 4-5 days out from a show with sometimes taking in up to 1000 or more grms leading up to the show (the "GH" gut is not "GH", it's carb loading) Those are not counted by calories but rather by macros.
Because some people on here think a 300 calorie donut is the same as 300 calories of fish or chicken or red meat or broccoli, etc, etc. No, you do not have to be calorie deficit, I get lean and stay big on 2500-3000 calories of meat and veggies, I cannot get lean and retain size on 3000 calories of ice cream, cupcakes and shit even if I were to take in enough protein. No, calories count is not the same as counting macros.
Hey Taylor,the quote function still doesn`t work for me but have you been to Northamton Mass. ?
I was born and raised in Springfield about 30 minutes away from both Northampton and newmoms territory Hartford Ct.
Small world bro......but I wouldn`t want to pain it!!
I hate that statement.....when you count macros you definitely ARE counting calories. Adams approach is the opposite....count total calories....and not worry about macros. The whole gut thing has been debated over and over. Sounds like it should be called "insulin gut". NEVER have a seen a natural get that gut....even when doing things like "shit loading" before a show. You're full of crack if you think its just the "carbs"
To be more specific....the nutrients you get from a 300calorie doughnut is different than a 300 calorie piece of Cod. HOWEVER....that 300 calories is 300 calories. Its like saying a pound of lead weighs different than a pound of feathers.
So when you say you dont count calories...then you must calculate all your macros according to lean bodyweight or something like that...right?
Hey Taylor,the quote function still doesn`t work for me but have you been to Northamton Mass. ?yup!! been to northampton 3 or 4 times. i have family in southampton... well the two girls are now in college, both in boston... but i have went out and visited them on several occasions, most recently in the summer of 07...
I was born and raised in Springfield about 30 minutes away from both Northampton and newmoms territory Hartford Ct.
Small world bro......but I wouldn`t want to paint it!!
Im in Mystic so hartford really isnt my territory. Springfield is fun. Gotta head up there soon to hit 6 flags with mini me. Oh wait it has to get warm, if that ever happensive been there.. :)
"then you must calculate all your macros according to lean bodyweight or something like that...right"?
That`s what I do Kurt,but still no calorie counting. :)
I do see your point though.
Apenis where is your degree you were posting, or the video of you deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, or your gravity suit, or your photo of yourself today and how about that culinary school certificate. you got any of these. I would think so since you said you do or act like you do. Come on man post something.
Apenis where is your degree you were posting, or the video of you deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, or your gravity suit, or your photo of yourself today and how about that culinary school certificate. you got any of these. I would think so since you said you do or act like you do. Come on man post something.Something. ;D
Something. ;D
Again another side step. Hey at least you are consistent. Tough when you get called out and you can't produce anything to support yourself. Man, you must feel like shit more and more everyday. All the time you have spent trying to fool people going down the drain. Wow, hey maybe you can find another board to go to and bullshit them and hope nobody calls you out. Till then you are just someone who tries really hard to fit in but just doesn't. Hey maybe you can try and convince us you are scientist and invented a cure for cancer. Can you imagine all the cut and pasting you can do. You will be in heaven. Not owning yourself big time::)
::)
Whats your address? I`ll get someone to deliver you a Boston Cream Pie.
blah blah blah dude you are done stick a fork in it. You have as much credibility as Goodrum. How does it feel to put in your place. Reality is a bitch isn't it. Well hey you can still pretend on the internet, that will be your highest achievement in life. You must be the laughing stock at your family picnics. hahahaha another bites the dust. See yaMeltdown!
Meltdown!
I can post a picture of myself anytime I want and Pwn the backed up feces out of you. I am just letting your anger build to a head before I do so. ;D
To be more specific....the nutrients you get from a 300 calorie doughnut is different than a 300 calorie piece of Cod. HOWEVER....that 300 calories is 300 calories. Its like saying a pound of lead weighs different than a pound of feathers.
So when you say you dont count calories...then you must calculate all your macros according to lean bodyweight or something like that...right?
Still no new pic where we can clearly see the Adumbass principle's results, eh?
he is still working on the photoshop. He is probably been dieting so much the past few weeks since he was asked to post his photo. He is probably eating one apple day to lose all the fat he got eating regular food. He got used to eating 3000 calories of ice cream instead of 3000 calories of chicken and fishTry again porky.
Try again porky.
I post what I eat everyday right here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329841.0
hAHAHAHA dude you are known as liar and bullshiter. Do you hoinestly think anyone with a brain believes what you put down is what you actually eat. Are you serious that delusional and stupid. As many photos of other shit you post, you can't post the video of you deadliftng, a today pic of you or a video of you eating the junk food you say you eat. you must have really grew up with some really dumb peopleYou are losing it big time. Think about this, based on your obesity and medical profile you have around 10 years left on this earth before your peephole closes for good.
You are losing it big time. Think about this, based on your obesity and medical profile you have around 10 years left on this earth before your peephole closes for good.
Is this REALLY how you want to spend it?
hahaha again you are fighting a losing battle. but I am pretty sure you are used to that. You don't understand I have a blast outing you and Goodrum. You two are my fun time other than playing craps. And I wouldn't worry about my medical. When you can save up enough money to get a full blood work up lets compare. I am pretty sure my total cholesterol is lower than yours, and any other number since mine are all good. I am fat absolutely and it absolutely affects other parts of me but I think I will be okay. You on the other hand are probably a fat slob just like the photo. If not you are an under nourished skinny kid who pretends to be something he is not. So either way I win. But, hey keep it coming I love reading your meltdown (and i can't believe I wrote that)
Honestly stay down. you are done
Newmom that picture of you crossing the finishing line...well what can I say....very moving; thank you for sharing.
I think Keith hates all North Carolinians!! LOL :)
Keith is good. He is sharp and committed in the way he posts. He hammers the gestalt of his argument and does not tolerate straw man fallacies. Don't be fooled by his affect.
This waverunner guy is a farce. Here is why:
Any grown man who spends his days (note the plurality) uploading pictures and pictures of food to an internet message board en bloc is preoccupied with food and eating above much else. This is fine of course, it is his life. It is disingenuous, however, for him to intimate that he is adequately satiated and completely pleased with his diet, as he does ubiquitously, when showing him a picture of sweetbreads, would light up his PET like a Griswald Christmas tree. Comrade, face it, you are starving. All you can think about is food. It is your porn. It is your fortune. It is your religion. This is abnormal for someone who proselytizes utter contentment with their dieting lifestyle. It is expected, however, in a setting of chronic hunger. Stop bullshitting. You are not small because you are prone to injuries or whatever surreptitious excuse you are using. You can't gain size, whatever that means, because you have a phobia. Give it a rest. There are impressionable kids on these forums.
Newmom that picture of you crossing the finishing line...well what can I say....very moving; thank you for sharing.
Oh and waveshaddow, don't take it personal. I just can't stand bullshit. Six ain't nine; you know what I mean? Besides, I am much more pathetic than you, I suppose. The way you crave 3squares/qd, I crave happiness. You're hungry and I'm miserable. I'm also running late.
No just two of them. And I actually don't them. I don't like what they do. I am sure Goodrum is okay in his own twinky toes, leather-like dark skin, massively delusional, oblivious to the real world, skinny-fat, orangutan-type arms, failure in everything he does sort of way. And I know Apenis tries really hard to fit-in and fails miserably but he has qualities that someone might enjoy. I mean he is like a walking book of fairy tales and make believe. His claims are so funny and typical of someone who is known by his family and neighbors as a major disappointment and underacheiver that you have to feel sorry for him. Much like Goodrum. Maybe they both drink out of the same glass. But, no I think North Carolina is a fine place. In fact my youngest daughter says it is beautiful there. Just not where Goodrum lives.
No just two of them. And I actually don't them. I don't like what they do. I am sure Goodrum is okay in his own twinky toes, leather-like dark skin, massively delusional, oblivious to the real world, skinny-fat, orangutan-type arms, failure in everything he does sort of way. And I know Apenis tries really hard to fit-in and fails miserably but he has qualities that someone might enjoy. I mean he is like a walking book of fairy tales and make believe. His claims are so funny and typical of someone who is known by his family and neighbors as a major disappointment and underacheiver that you have to feel sorry for him. Much like Goodrum. Maybe they both drink out of the same glass. But, no I think North Carolina is a fine place. In fact my youngest daughter says it is beautiful there. Just not where Goodrum lives.
However, when I'm injured, I choose not to because most of it would be fat since I can't train with full intensity resp. increasing resistance.so your weightlifting builds fat or is it your diet fails
so your weightlifting builds fat or is it your diet fails
your a fucking idiot. take tbombz and go back to bb.ccom
virtually none of you fags even been on stage(http://www.freejunknstuff.com/laf.gif) (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/fork.gif) (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/fork.gif)
What are your diet beliefs if not calorie control and getting all of the required nutrients for your goal?
Before your tragedies occurred, you seemed very lean per your genetics. What did you do during that time? I know you said you were younger and could eat anything, but surley you followed some structure, otherwise you would agree with me because you gained muscle obviously without following the dogma.
New pics of the Jezebelle chick would be better.
Who is she? Where are the old pics?
Friend to The True Dumbass. :)
No clue where pics are. Try using the search function.
Are they worth the search?
Hard to say. She's attractive enough.
I just meant pics of a chick would be far more interesting than any of Adonis.
I did not follow a structured diet ever even when I competed. I was never a fast food guy. I would maybe have something from Taco Bell or Burger King. I loved El Pollo Chicken. I always ate a lot of chicken and fish. Back when I was younger I really didn't eat alot of candy or sweets. I eat more of that now. As for gaining muscle thsat was from lifting heavy all the time and ingesting enough protein. But never did I count anything. I was a super heavyweight so that stuff wasn't a concern. Before I got hurt I was probably eating as clean as I ever did. Protein shakes, maybe 2 pounds a day of fish, some chicken and even baked potatoes and pork. But then I was rising my bike about 28 miles a day and going to the gym twice a day at least 4 days a week plus throwing the discus and walking with a 120 tire behind me. I am the last persopn to preach or talk about dieting. It is way to hard to do.
not all of us have the genetics for the principles
why not post up a recent pic of that massive, ripped physique of yours that you have built using the 'adonis principals' ::) and silence all your critics?Look like someone finally had a change of heart. ;)
ahahahahahaha
Look like someone finally had a change of heart. ;)
bump for pics, gollum- you know, the ones you said you'd post in the next 'day or two' to shut us up? i think that was about 2 months ago- surely the adonis principals must have gotten you ripped to shreds in the last 2 months, you muscular behemoth.
ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha
still waiting.Here is one of my 400-500 year old Heart Pine Floor and Walnut Eastlake Chair, all with original Fabric and Fittings (Settee in the background) circa 1873.
Here is one of my 400-500 year old Heart Pine Floor and Walnut Eastlake Chair, all with original Fabric and Fittings (Settee in the background) circa 1873.
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Your floor is 400-500 years old? Or the wood?The wood which is the original wood floor. Age of Heart Pine (takes minimum of 300 years to get Heart Wood from Long Leaf Pine which no longer grows)+Age of house=Age of Floor
:)
:)
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Gayer than asking another guy for recipes. ::)
Mostly shellfish. Lobster, shrimp, etc. I usually throw in fresh scallops as well.
Gayer than the name "semenCrawler"?
While Barbara is searching for her Flortine recipe ...... I'll submit the followingLOL ;D
Gayer than asking your guy friend to listen to your acoustic album composed of love songs inspired by said guy friend hoping he'll get the hint and tell you he loves you too.
I`ll get back to this in a bit. We just finished Roasting a Chicken and made a Sherry-Thyme Herb Pan Sauce, Pecan, Ginger and Brown Sugar Sweet Potato Flan, Steamed Peas and Mashed Potatoes.
I will eat half of the Chicken and Jezebelle will eat the other half.
Ice Cream for Dessert.
come up with your own recipe coach. much more fun that way, you can actually customize it to suit your own taste, and you will never have to rely on a recipe again.Cooking DOES NOT work that way.
hey pussy when are u gonna out me
Thanks for that. I was doing sort of the same thing about 1.5 years ago, but I just ate low carb yet ingested as much protein and fat as I wanted. I got like 100 or so trace carbs a day, and I drank shitloads of hard liquor and Michelob Ultra. I went from a 42 to a 36 pant like that at 260. I was a 34 pant and 229 when I saw Goodrum last, so who knows? I do know I am losing weight, looking harder/leaner, and enjoying food now as opposed to the low carb approach.Who fucking cares ::)
My diet for today, 1950 calories not counting some lettuce and no calorie dressing:
2 protein bars-380c
1 big 100 bar-410c
Gaspari Size On-180c
1 roast beef sandwhich with cheese-460c
1 special K bar-90 c
1 cup skim milk-90c
1 mini bag of smart balance popcorn-135 calories or so
2 large lettuce only portions, negative calories
I am trying to get 25% protein, 60% carbs, 15% fats. Not too bad or filled with 'junk', however I wanted a big mac instead of the big 100 bar.
Cooking DOES NOT work that way.your right, when you cant cook, it doesnt.
your right, when you cant cook, it doesnt.
We just finished Roasting a Chicken and made a Sherry-Thyme Herb Pan Sauce, Pecan, Ginger and Brown Sugar Sweet Potato Flan, Steamed Peas and Mashed Potatoes.:D
2 protein bars-380c
1 big 100 bar-410c
Gaspari Size On-180c
1 roast beef sandwhich with cheese-460c
1 special K bar-90 c
1 cup skim milk-90c
1 mini bag of smart balance popcorn-135 calories or so
2 large lettuce only portions, negative calories
Nice diet,a few candy bars and a fucking sammich!! ;D
:)
you still cuttin up tbombz?sllloooowwwwllllllyyyyyy ;D
the fuck does it matter when he's on gear, wes? i've been eating 3k calories worth of donuts in 1 sitting every other day for the past 2 weeks and i'm still dropping bodyfat easily.Just think what he`d gain if he ate right.
Just think what he`d gain if he ate right.
the fuck does it matter when he's on gear, wes? i've been eating 3k calories worth of donuts in 1 sitting every other day for the past 2 weeks and i'm still dropping bodyfat easily.
You should post a pic of yourself. Curious to see how you measure up with all the advice you dish out.Same here,fucking guy is like a walking copy of "The Underground Steroid Handbook" !!
Same here,fucking guy is like a walking copy of "The Underground Steroid Handbook" !!x3,,,
first off i'd like to give credit to the mighty buselmo for coming forward and dispelling any current beliefs and notions about what it takes to get in shape. the guy speaks the truth and its refreshing to say the least.
heres the deal- i have been for the better part of my training/competing life a 'strict dieting'; guy. this means all ratios and calories were measured. nothing given to chance. steroids were used but not relied upon to give me the size and conditioning i wanted.
i never in all those years achieved what i thought of as my full potential competitively, and that played a big part in why i quit- i just figured i didnt have the genetics (the other part being i honestly hated being onstage).
over the past 2 years i started gh. my shit is good. as is any anabolics i have used. one thing i have been very lucky with is getting good gear. i built a good bit of quality in this time- no not size, quality- i didnt want nor do i now want to get bigger. but for the past two years i have had an almost impossible time getting that last little bit of stubborn fat off no matter how hard i dieted. by stubborn fat i mean the last 2% to get me shredded looking to the point you dont need a diuretic to see the quality of the muscle or conditioning- i have always thought that if you were lean enough you wont need a diuretic to look good and i still feel this way, unless your competing, much different story as those stage light as very unforgiving- anyone can look good in their living room.
so, i have sat sat with unhappily with a bf level for the last 2 years i couldnt shake off which was frustratiing to say the least as every time i got lean, i got way to stringy and started to lose too much lean. it was a tricky balancing act for sure.
fast forward to that last two weeks- and this is where buselmo's truths come into play. i went to south american on vacation. i took with me enough eq, winstrol and my prop for 3 weeks cause i am juice monkey at heart and this is what we do- we never stray far from the syringe kids- if you want to be big you gotta learn this rule.- no i wont tell you how i transported it- pm me if you want to know. in that amount of time i trained twice. two upper body workouts. i didnt count calories. i didnt count protein but i can bet it was less than 100 grams a day- for a period of 4-5 days when i was in the mountains i can assure you it was less than 50. i existed on grains, and fruits. i was climbing thru mountain passes, sometimes elevations of over 2000M in one days time- picture being on a stair climber for 6-7 hours a day.
i got back yesterday and when i looked in the mirror (cause you really dont have any idea how your body has changed till you see it in the same mirror and lighting you always are used to seeing it) i had lost that final 2%. i was bigger and rounder than i have ever been. my legs/calves which i havent trained now for a month are considerably fuller from all the climbing. all on less than 100 grams of protein a day.
heres the moral of the story and guys like gh and buselmo and will grant etc etc will keep pounding away at it till you all get it- THIS IS A DRUG DRIVEN PAST TIME AND RESULTS ARE TOTALLY DEPENDANT ON INTAKE AND NOTHING LESS. fuck calories. fuck protein. fuck macros. fuck gurus- take your steroids like good little boys and girls and a lot of them. eat all the carbs you need to give you whatever fuel your body will need to keep moving and working, and if you cant afford 15units of gh a day, get your lazy ass on a stair climber and grind out some long ass intense cardio sessions to get your metabolism going and burn off the baby fat. thats it. and if you can afford the gh, then fuck the stairclimber too.
why did i take the time to write this- cause for the most part i come here to bust balls and have fun. cause i know there are guys on here in the same boat as me- good physiques who have been busting their ass for years dieting and counting macros. its not necessary and it'll be hard for you to get your mind around it after decades of being fed the same ignorant bullshit about 'dieting' cause i was the same way. diet diet diet. keep the protein up. what a joke.
heres my challenge for guys who are lean but trying to get off that last 2 %- try it for two weeks. eat whatever macros you want. dont stuff yourself full- by now you should know your bodies well enough to know when you need fuel and when you dont. and give your body only enough to keep going. exist on coffee the rest of the time as a stim. eat when you are hungry- fuck the clock. do some cardio if you cant afford the gh. come back here and tell me thats you didnt lose that bf, get fuller and look better.
the mighty no one has spoken. let all who read his words be the wiser for it.
your welcome bitches
(and a punch in the cock for the first person who says 'im not reading all that- coles notes please')
I really do not understand why anyone would argue with this. Skip Hill has proven this already with numerous clients a few months back. Every single one of them lost fat, got in great shape, and got stronger in the gym, while eating shitty food. A calorie is a calorie, regardless of whether you eat 25g carbs of skittles or 25g carbs of sweet potatoes. Obviously you need to know your macros first, but you can and will get shredded eating shitty foods, because your body doesn't know the difference. Yes, it's much healthier to eat good quality nutrient dense foods, and it's better for your blood glucose levels, but in terms of fat loss, it does't matter. I've done this myself with success, so if anyone doesn't believe it, just try it. Find out for yourself.You don`t need to know any Macros. Just overall calories and a minimum protein intake which you usually get by default anyways by just eating normally.
funny no one started this thread and just yesterday he makes a thread whole heartedly accepting this idea.
Takes integrity to do so.
, it does't matter. I've done this myself with success,Let's see some pics juicyjay.
Let's see some pics juicyjay.His camera is broken.
::)
You don`t need to know any Macros. Just overall calories and a minimum protein intake which you usually get by default anyways by just eating normally.
Let's see some pics juicyjay.
::)
You are dumber than a donkey.You also look like complete uber-shit.Vince G actually looks littble bit better than you.You are most delusional gay here.Among all getbigger,you are an uberfailure.Shit,even your mom hates you.At least she loves us :D
You are dumber than a donkey.You also look like complete uber-shit.Vince G actually looks littble bit better than you.You are most delusional gay here.Among all getbigger,you are an uberfailure.Shit,even your mom hates you.At least she loves us :D
His camera is broken.
^ this.Try again One-Bedroom Wonder. Living the Dream you are, Living the dream. hahahha Your whole existence is one artificial drug induced joke. You are nothing, accomplished nothing, have nothing and will never be anything nor have anything to show for all your wasted time. Druggie.
My camera works just fine. Posting current pics of myself at 12% bf in my off-season would have no relevance what so ever to this thread. You will see in July, I promise. Shit, i'll even post a pic of me eating some fucking skittles if you don't believe I did it on non-nutrient dense foods.You are late to the party. We have been doing this for years and years while you were still drowning in protein shakes and choking on boiled chicken breast and white rice.
You are late to the party. We have been doing this for years and years while you were still drowning in protein shakes and choking on boiled chicken breast and white rice.
Lol, i don't drink shakes, nor do i eat boiled chicken breast. I grill, bake, or pan cook mine ;) I'm not going to argue with you, because you're right. However, i'm sure you didn't always do this ever since you first started. You don't begin in this sport knowing everything, it's impossible. You have to start somewhere, now with that being said, I have been brought to the light by Skip Hill and will never look back.You are not all the way there yet. You still believe in tracking Macros which is as pointless as "eating clean". You are almost there. Overall caloric intake and minimum nutrient requirements which you get by default via eating like a normal person anyways is all that matters.
Try again One-Bedroom Wonder. Living the Dream you are, Living the dream. hahahha Your whole existence is one artificial drug induced joke. You are nothing, accomplished nothing, have nothing and will never be anything nor have anything to show for all your wasted time. Druggie.
right now you're saying the same thing as adonis in your other thread, no one?
nope.
gaydonis says you need 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight- in fact he ripped off what has been said for years by everyone- the same old you need x amount of protein bullshit line than added in his whole little eat what you want, but dont go over you total allowance for caloires and you'll lose weight. lol really groundbreaking stuff.
i say if you are on anabolics you dont even need a fraction of the protein everyone says you do- higher carbs, lesser protein will keep you much more when dieting, and the anabolics will preserve lean tissue.
the ugly fuck is just a troll who has nothing in life, lives in his moms house with his gf, takes pictures of old furniture and bakes pies. i'd like to give him credit for something remarkable, but even though he ripped the diet off, hes STILL wrong- just looking at his 'physique' should be proof enough of that. what a fucking clown.
He doesn't live in his mom's house.
wrong. a title search shows his mom bought a 180K house back in the day where he lives today as an inheritance in the same town in NC as his brother. that old 50's car he used to post pics of saying it was his favourite car etc etc was his dads car. was on title under his dads name. he inherited it too when his old man took the dirt nap- its not like he was going to write bethoveen's 5th anyway- they were a lower middle class family- maybe thats why he tries so hard to come off as anything but.
the guy is completely fake. makes you wonder how fucking empty his life must be to need to create a life when you dont have one for people on the internet.
wrong. a title search shows his mom bought a 180K house back in the day where he lives today as an inheritance in the same town in NC as his brother. that old 50's car he used to post pics of saying it was his favourite car etc etc was his dads car. was on title under his dads name. he inherited it too when his old man took the dirt nap- its not like he was going to write bethoveen's 5th anyway- they were a lower middle class family- maybe thats why he tries so hard to come off as anything but.Wrong on all accounts. You are not even close to where I live. I live in the house which was built for Francis Scott Key (author of the United States National Anthem) `s granddaughter, daughter of a North Carolina Congressmen and West Point military Engineer who served in the War of 1812.
the guy is completely fake. makes you wonder how fucking empty his life must be to need to create a life when you dont have one for people on the internet.
Wrong on all accounts. You are not even close to where I live. I live in the house which was built for Francis Scott Key (author of the United States National Anthem) `s granddaughter, daughter of a North Carolina Congressmen and West Point military Engineer who served in the War of 1812.
As far as all the Classic Cars I have owned:
I`ve owned a 1959 Cadillac Coupe Deville, 1960 Plymouth Fury Golden Commando with a rare 413 engine-Mule Car-Richard Petty`s Garage, 1967 Cadillac Deville Convertible, 1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible.
My dad died when I was a child and I bought all of those cars within the last 10 years myself, not to mention a Lotus Esprit Twin Turbo as well as a Mercedes S Class.
The floor alone in my house is worth more money than you will ever see in a lifetime.
I hope some of this helps.
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What city does he live in?He has no clue, although if he knew anything about American History, he could figure it out.
He has no clue, although if he knew anything about American History, he could figure it out.
The only thing he is correct about is that I do have a brother, but thats common knowledge.
Is that your house? Very nice.Nope. Thats my brothers, I live a long, long way away from him.
Nope. Thats my brothers, I live a long, long way away from him.
Ok, your brother is a high roller then.My house is much, much better aesthetically, architecturally and historically as well as much bigger with a lot more land.
My house is much, much better aesthetically, architecturally and historically as well as much bigger with a lot more land.
My house is featured in several books on Historic Architecture and is on the National Register of Historic Places. It was built by a famous architect in the Greek Revival fashion with Italianate details which is a unique blending seen in the Romantic period in the Antebellum South. It looks very similar to Jefferson Davis`s house, Beauvoir and also the First Confederacy of the White House in Alabama. A combination of the two if you had to put it in style perspective, but is only one of a kind as there is no other house built like it in the world.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UKqG39HW6cs/TntA-KgRzZI/AAAAAAAAAF0/wauIRUZT2fY/s1152/xn7l3p.jpg)
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Holy shit, Lord of The Rings is real! :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
nope.
gaydonis says you need 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight- in fact he ripped off what has been said for years by everyone- the same old you need x amount of protein bullshit line than added in his whole little eat what you want, but dont go over you total allowance for caloires and you'll lose weight. lol really groundbreaking stuff.
i say if you are on anabolics you dont even need a fraction of the protein everyone says you do- higher carbs, lesser protein will keep you much more when dieting, and the anabolics will preserve lean tissue.
the ugly fuck is just a troll who has nothing in life, lives in his moms house with his gf, takes pictures of old furniture and bakes pies. i'd like to give him credit for something remarkable, but even though he ripped the diet off, hes STILL wrong- just looking at his 'physique' should be proof enough of that. what a fucking clown.
hes writing a book telling everyone high protein is the way to go, just a few fibrous carbs.
Its the ONLY way to diet, its going to break down everything thats ever been written before
Broscience is de-bunked.
hey guys! check this out guys! look what i found guys! hey guys accept me ok guys! hahahaha what a fucking clown you are. holy FUCK your such a fucking BETA. how fuck can you even look in a mirror.
all that aside, your an idiot. lol like who takes the time to scroll thru 3 years of someone post history. your a fucking weirdo bro. a 48 year old 'man'. nice fucking job. do you have kids? I couldn't even begin to imagine how fucked up they would be being spawned by such a weak human.
maybe on your little post trolling expedition, butthurt, you'll come across an 'open letter to True Adonis' apology thread where I openly apologised for taking such a negative view of him. and his views. and I'll apologise again for the ugly language I used to address him. fuck bro I'm sorry. that shit was not cool.
and dildo, let me further re iterate what you have emboldened.
it's 100% accurate. sorry to break the news. except for the carbs part. I prefer fats now.
you see speed bag, unlike you I have evolved in my thinking. learned from experience. and built a body you couldn't come within 10 years if ever achieving sunshine.
it's kind fun getting trolled my someone like you. if you looked better than me id feel picked on and emasculated.
now I know how you feel.
carry on, simpleton.
I'll ask you one more time. What the fuck is your point? ???
Hey its all water under the bridge and I knew you didn`t mean any real harm. I am sure I made a fool of myself attacking you in this thread as well.
thanks for bumping this bro.
Adonis.
this is an apology to you. in the past I said some really mean horrible things to you attacking your character your idologies, and you as a person.
truly if anyone deserved a punch in the face from someone for words said I would deserve one from you.
I wish you all the best going forward.
cheers sir.
hey guys! check this out guys! look what i found guys! hey guys accept me ok guys! hahahaha what a fucking clown you are. holy FUCK your such a fucking BETA. how fuck can you even look in a mirror.If you took time to research people you would have seen that I like to troll people on occasion, I have admitted it many times openly in posts.
all that aside, your an idiot. lol like who takes the time to scroll thru 3 years of someone post history. your a fucking weirdo bro. a 48 year old 'man'. nice fucking job. do you have kids? I couldn't even begin to imagine how fucked up they would be being spawned by such a weak human.
maybe on your little post trolling expedition, butthurt, you'll come across an 'open letter to True Adonis' apology thread where I openly apologised for taking such a negative view of him. and his views. and I'll apologise again for the ugly language I used to address him. fuck bro I'm sorry. that shit was not cool.
and dildo, let me further re iterate what you have emboldened.
it's 100% accurate. sorry to break the news. except for the carbs part. I prefer fats now.
you see speed bag, unlike you I have evolved in my thinking. learned from experience. and built a body you couldn't come within 10 years if ever achieving sunshine.
it's kind fun getting trolled my someone like you. if you looked better than me id feel picked on and emasculated.
now I know how you feel.
carry on, simpleton.
where's fatpanda ???He is currently down at the Buffet.
If you took time to research people you would have seen that I like to troll people on occasion, I have admitted it many times openly in posts.
Thats all I have ever been doing wiith you, at no point has it ever been personal.
I thought you would have twigged a while ago, never mind.
I think its best I dont carry on, I dont think the forums bandwidth can cope with your replies.
translation: im another bitch whos fallen to the mighty 'no one'
i dont take the time to 'research' anyone, sunshine. nobody here gets in my head far enough to make those kinds of demands on my time.
know your place here and you'll get along just fine. i didnt attack you until i had had enough of your bullshit. this is what you reap. you fuck with the bull, you get the horn.
lesson learned.
dismissed.
Ukjeff is an obvious moron, hence why he lives in UK. With roids, u dont need to know what your doing as long as u do something.