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So I was doing dumbbell bench press yesterday with 110-lb dumbbells - to get them, I had to pick them off the rack on the other end of the rack from where my bench was. I also had to walk AROUND all the other benches, because someone was doing deficit deadlifts in the area, and another person was doing Bulgarian split squats with his bench very tight to the dumbbell rack, and we have limited gym space.
So after basically doing a Farmer's Walk with the 110-lb dumbbells, I placed them both on the bench, one after another, in the centre of the bench - sort of like in the picture below, but with BOTH 110-lb dumbbells on the bench.
So the guy deadlifting [he's either a welder or an iron worker] came up and pointed to another bench that got damaged - but that had NOTHING to do with simply RESTING the dumbbells on the bench. It was because a 110-lb dumbbell fell from a far height and smashed the end of the bench.
So the bench was NOT damaged from a dumbbell simply RESTING on the end of the bench - the weight FELL on it. And hit a part of the bench that has no support.
Whereas I sometimes rest the dumbbells in the middle, where there IS support.
So the guy insists to me that it's damaging to rest dumbbells on the bench.
Anyway, I have to figure out if I'm wrong here:
Is it bad to rest 220-lb in dumbbells side by side, on a flat bench?
So if a 300-lb man just sat in the middle of a bench to rest, that would damage it?
I'm not seeing it.
Am I in the wrong here?
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Do you know what he did to fix it? He drilled screws into the END of the bench underneath, AFTER where it got cracked from the dumbbell.
HOW WOULD PUTTING SCREWS THERE HELP? LOL!
The 110-lb dumbbell dropped and cracked the bench where the red circle is - the yellow dots represent where he put screws to fix it [somehow].
This is the actual cracked bench, and I believe that is the cracked side - you can barely see it, but it is cracked:
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So I was doing dumbbell bench press yesterday with 110-lb dumbbells - to get them, I had to pick them off the rack on the other end of the rack from where my bench was. I also had to walk AROUND all the other benches, because someone was doing deficit deadlifts in the area, and another person was doing Bulgarian split squats with his bench very tight to the dumbbell rack, and we have limited gym space.
So after basically doing a Farmer's Walk with the 110-lb dumbbells, I placed them both on the bench, one after another, in the centre of the bench - sort of like in the picture below, but with BOTH 110-lb dumbbells on the bench.
So the guy deadlifting [he's either a welder or an iron worker] came up and pointed to another bench that got damaged - but that had NOTHING to do with simply RESTING the dumbbells on the bench. It was because a 110-lb dumbbell fell from a far height and smashed the end of the bench.
So the bench was NOT damaged from a dumbbell simply RESTING on the end of the bench - the weight FELL on it. And hit a part of the bench that has no support.
Whereas I sometimes rest the dumbbells in the middle, where there IS support.
So the guy insists to me that it's damaging to rest dumbbells on the bench.
Anyway, I have to figure out if I'm wrong here:
Is it bad to rest 220-lb in dumbbells side by side, on a flat bench?
So if a 300-lb man just sat in the middle of a bench to rest, that would damage it?
I'm not seeing it.
Am I in the wrong here?
Did the guy deadlift more than you?
If not, you should've told him to shut up, mind his own business and also called him a tiny tit.
Otherwise you should train harder until you get stronger than him at which point you will seek him, tell him to shut up and mind his own business and also call him a tiny tit.
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So I was doing dumbbell bench press yesterday with 110-lb dumbbells - to get them, I had to pick them off the rack on the other end of the rack from where my bench was. I also had to walk AROUND all the other benches, because someone was doing deficit deadlifts in the area, and another person was doing Bulgarian split squats with his bench very tight to the dumbbell rack, and we have limited gym space.
So after basically doing a Farmer's Walk with the 110-lb dumbbells, I placed them both on the bench, one after another, in the centre of the bench - sort of like in the picture below, but with BOTH 110-lb dumbbells on the bench.
So the guy deadlifting [he's either a welder or an iron worker] came up and pointed to another bench that got damaged - but that had NOTHING to do with simply RESTING the dumbbells on the bench. It was because a 110-lb dumbbell fell from a far height and smashed the end of the bench.
So the bench was NOT damaged from a dumbbell simply RESTING on the end of the bench - the weight FELL on it. And hit a part of the bench that has no support.
Whereas I sometimes rest the dumbbells in the middle, where there IS support.
So the guy insists to me that it's damaging to rest dumbbells on the bench.
Anyway, I have to figure out if I'm wrong here:
Is it bad to rest 220-lb in dumbbells side by side, on a flat bench?
So if a 300-lb man just sat in the middle of a bench to rest, that would damage it?
I'm not seeing it.
Am I in the wrong here?
Why not just roll them to your spot and let them rest on the floor?
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Did the guy deadlift more than you?
If not, you should've told him to shut up, mind his own business and also called him a tiny tit.
Otherwise you should train harder until you get stronger than him at which point you will seek him, tell him to shut up and mind his own business and also call him a tiny tit.
That's a good question - no, he doesn't, lol.
He's about 5'11" and 260-lb, but if he deadlifts as much as me, I'm not seeing it.
In fact, he was looking over at me when I did my 110-lb dumbbell flat bench set, and I feel like he was impressed by it.
I think he sort of looked at me like: "that manlet can't possibly lift that, can he?" - and then he was surprised when I managed to get eight reps with perfect form.
Hopefully, I'll get back to my previous max with the 120's for 12 - as my gym does not go heavier.
In fact, it may be possible he thought I was unable to lift the dumbbells, and thought I was some gym newbie based on my size. Perhaps now he knows I am a serious trainee.
But what's wrong with testing the dumbbells on the bench before you start your set? ???
If I'm in the wrong, hey - I won't do it again!
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Letting the dumbbells sit like that wears the covers and the inner padding over time. It shouldn't hurt the steel frame or a good grade solid or ply-wood backing board to rest them on the middle.
If I had to guess he was more worried about you losing control of them or haphazardly setting them down on certain spots, but didn't want it to seem like he was singling you out. See if he does it to anyone else.
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Why not just roll them to your spot and let them rest on the floor?
Lol, it's actually funny - someone once commented on EliteFitness that it is a weak thing to do. I also once heard a [fat] woman laugh at someone doing that.
My thought process would be - again, thinking of gym etiquette - maybe because dumbbells aren't supposed to be kicked?
But maybe I'm wrong about that?
Maybe it is inappropriate to put the two dumbbells on the bench?
If I'm wrong here, I'm perfectly willing to say I am wrong. Personally, I DO think the bench can handle 2x 110-lb dumbbells simply resting on the bench itself - it only cracked because a heavy dumbbell fell on it from five feet, and hit the end of the bench that has no support underneath it.
But if I'm wrong - and if most tell me benches aren't decided to have dumbbells sit on them, no problem.
I'll doing it.
I just find it annoying to pick up heavy dumbbells from the ground before my set - that's like doing a deadlift before doing your dumbbell bench press sets!
But hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong!
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I would have gave him one of patented headbutts as hard as I could just for having the audacity to interrupt my fucking workout.
Matt,here`s a tip......fuck this guy.....dont give him another thought he`s as inconsequential as a mosquito on a dogs ass.
You worry too much.....when you get up around me age you tell people with one of your eye look to fuck off no words even needed.
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I owned a few gyms over 46 years and built gym equipment as well. You don’t put weights on benches. Not good for upholstery especially those heavy weights. You know the drill….sit down near the end with the dumbbells on your thighs. Kick them up as you get supine. I hated to see those heavy dumbbells dropped on the gym floor. We had additional rubber mats near the benches. Strong men should be able to handle heavy weights.
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I owned a few gyms over 46 years and built gym equipment as well. You don’t put weights on benches. Not good for upholstery especially those heavy weights. You know the drill….sit down near the end with the dumbbells on your thighs. Kick them up as you get supine. I hated to see those heavy dumbbells dropped on the gym floor. We had additional rubber mats near the benches. Strong men should be able to handle heavy weights.
Of course I was being facetious Vince.....I always respected the rules and the equipment in a gym.....at times even going to great lengths putting tons of heavy dumbells back on the racks left by lazy bastards who had them scattered around so much it was a hazard to even try to walk in the general area of said "DUMBELL DUMP".
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That's a good question - no, he doesn't, lol.
He's about 5'11" and 260-lb, but if he deadlifts as much as me, I'm not seeing it.
In fact, he was looking over at me when I did my 110-lb dumbbell flat bench set, and I feel like he was impressed by it.
I think he sort of looked at me like: "that manlet can't possibly lift that, can he?" - and then he was surprised when I managed to get eight reps with perfect form.
Hopefully, I'll get back to my previous max with the 120's for 12 - as my gym does not go heavier.
In fact, it may be possible he thought I was unable to lift the dumbbells, and thought I was some gym newbie based on my size. Perhaps now he knows I am a serious trainee.
But what's wrong with testing the dumbbells on the bench before you start your set? ???
If I'm in the wrong, hey - I won't do it again!
There is no way in hell you did 8 reps with perfect form. The last time you attempted 110lb dumbells was 10 days ago and you did not get 1 single rep
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdu7ZldAHeq/
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I would have gave him one of patented headbutts as hard as I could just for having the audacity to interrupt my fucking workout.
Matt,here`s a tip......fuck this guy.....dont give him another thought he`s as inconsequential as a mosquito on a dogs ass.
You worry too much.....when you get up around me age you tell people with one of your eye look to fuck off no words even needed.
Thanks wes.
You're right - I do worry a lot. I'm very keen on gym etiquette because after the plandemic joke and 6-month "vaccine passport" we had in Canada, I realized that there are very few public places I would say I *need* to go.
And really - the gym is the main one.
Honestly, it's for both my physical AND mental health.
It would sadden me to do something in the gym to make someone else's experience worse, and in a lot of other instances, I would be less concerned about causing trouble, even inadvertently.
I guess ever since gym were closed here for 500+ days [yes, really ::)], I don't take for granted my gym time.
But absolutely - I worry too much, and go through mental loops in my head thinking of these things. It's basically been paralyzing me from even living my life. Always worried about these situations and scenarios...
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This is not a good set you are doing half reps
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeIzd5rgJbb/
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I owned a few gyms over 46 years and built gym equipment as well. You don’t put weights on benches. Not good for upholstery especially those heavy weights. You know the drill….sit down near the end with the dumbbells on your thighs. Kick them up as you get supine. I hated to see those heavy dumbbells dropped on the gym floor. We had additional rubber mats near the benches. Strong men should be able to handle heavy weights.
So then it is a gym etiquette thing - but for the preservation of the upholstery of the bench, rather than the structural integrity?
I mean, surely the bench is capable of holding 2x 110-lb dumbbells? ???
That being said, I can understand the upholstery argument, and that requires no further explanation.
Truth be told, I don't start sitting any dumbbells on the bench until I get to the 110's or higher. My reasoning is: I don't want to exhaust my energy from having to essentially deadlift two dumbbells that heavy, so I find it easier to put them on the bench for a couple of seconds before starting.
This could all be in under one minute - just from first grabbing the dumbbells off the rack, then catching a breather for a limited/short time.
But certainly, I've kept the dumbbells sitting on the bench for up to one minute before. And if it's damaging to the upholstery of the bench, I wouldn't want to do that.
That's not the reason the big juicer in question gave me - however, it makes enough sense to follow it. Just trying to be courteous in Canadian gyms before they shut them all down again.
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This is not a good set you are doing half reps
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeIzd5rgJbb/
I'm glad you shared this.
I just posted that on Instagram to share it here with you, lol!
That was my set from two weeks ago.
I used the same weight again - and got eight reps this time with slightly better form.
Not night and day better form, but I don't think anyone would be calling them half reps.
As for the video above - I wouldn't call those half reps either. I mean, they are not perfect reps, but not really half reps either!
Here is my best rep and my worst rep - this is my no means as low as I could have, or should have, gone...but I would call these half reps either. That being said, my form was slightly better this time, and I got eight reps. Do you want to see the video to confirm?
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There is no way in hell you did 8 reps with perfect form. The last time you attempted 110lb dumbells was 10 days ago and you did not get 1 single rep
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdu7ZldAHeq/
Those are 120's.
Do you not count the first rep for dumbbell bench press when you do a set? I understand that rep has a bit momentum to get it started, but I can do it paused now.
My best ever is 12 reps with the 120's, but I only have a set of eight on video!
However, I expect to get back to 8-12 reps with decent form, at 175-lb body weight. I used to compete in Strongmanlet contests before they got cancelled because of the plandemic joke.
I feel worse about dropping the dumbbells after this set! I try not to do that...but sometimes I misjudge whether or not I have one more rep left in me.
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MATT HANKY COULDN`T EVEN LIFT ONE OF THOSE TO HIS ADAMANTIUM KNEE HEIGHT.....HE IS JEALOUS OF ANYONES ACCOMPLISHMENTS.....READ HIS POSTS....HE NEVER GIVES ANYONE ANY CREDIT EVEN IF THEY WERE TO SET A NEW WORLD RECORD.....HE`S A SELF ABSORBED TWAT.
HE KNOWS JACKSHIT ABOUT POWERLIFTING CUZ HE USES THE PINK DUMBELLS.
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Letting the dumbbells sit like that wears the covers and the inner padding over time. It shouldn't hurt the steel frame or a good grade solid or ply-wood backing board to rest them on the middle.
If I had to guess he was more worried about you losing control of them or haphazardly setting them down on certain spots, but didn't want it to seem like he was singling you out. See if he does it to anyone else.
This.
The weights ruin the foam shaping on the bench more than anything.
He probably thought you were a noob and wanted to point it out.
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MATT HANKY COULDN`T EVEN LIFT ONE OF THOSE TO HIS ADAMANTIUM KNEE HEIGHT.....HE IS JEALOUS OF ANYONES ACCOMPLISHMENTS.....READ HIS POSTS....HE NEVER GIVES ANYONE ANY CREDIT EVEN IF THEY WERE TO SET A NEW WORLD RECORD.....HE`S A SELF ABSORBED TWAT.
HE KNOWS JACKSHIT ABOUT POWERLIFTING CUZ HE USES THE PINK DUMBELLS.
I was wondering why B. Hank was being so critical!
Credit where credit is due - I try not to bash on anyone's physique here, because what I learned from Sarcasm is that a lot of people who claim to look so good, don't look anything like what they claim to!
So honestly - I respect anyone who posts photos, and I just try to be honest when critiquing someone, and not cruel about it.
And look - I'm not claiming to be the strongest - but within a two months will I doing the 120's for at least eight clean reps? Yes...in fact, I'd bet money on it.
I'm not boasting - I just really feel that's the truth. I also wouldn't call these reps half reps, however - I will concede that they are not full reps either! I've just been so eager to get back to the heavier dumbbells that I got ahead of myself a little!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371350;image)
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MATT HANKY COULDN`T EVEN LIFT ONE OF THOSE TO HIS ADAMANTIUM KNEE HEIGHT.....HE IS JEALOUS OF ANYONES ACCOMPLISHMENTS.....READ HIS POSTS....HE NEVER GIVES ANYONE ANY CREDIT EVEN IF THEY WERE TO SET A NEW WORLD RECORD.....HE`S A SELF ABSORBED TWAT.
HE KNOWS JACKSHIT ABOUT POWERLIFTING CUZ HE USES THE PINK DUMBELLS.
Go watch his video he does not break 90 degrees with his arms he literally dips the dumbells on one side not one decent rep
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I'm glad you shared this.
I just posted that on Instagram to share it here with you, lol!
That was my set from two weeks ago.
I used the same weight again - and got eight reps this time with slightly better form.
Not night and day better form, but I don't think anyone would be calling them half reps.
As for the video above - I wouldn't call those half reps either. I mean, they are not perfect reps, but not really half reps either!
Here is my best rep and my worst rep - this is my no means as low as I could have, or should have, gone...but I would call these half reps either. That being said, my form was slightly better this time, and I got eight reps. Do you want to see the video to confirm?
Those are half reps your arms never break 90 degrees you literally dip the dumbell on one side to touch the chest complete garbage not one single decent rep entire set calling that 8 reps of perfect form bullshit that is all garbage bring the weights all the way down you are ego lifting not training
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Letting the dumbbells sit like that wears the covers and the inner padding over time. It shouldn't hurt the steel frame or a good grade solid or ply-wood backing board to rest them on the middle.
If I had to guess he was more worried about you losing control of them or haphazardly setting them down on certain spots, but didn't want it to seem like he was singling you out. See if he does it to anyone else.
This.
The weights ruin the foam shaping on the bench more than anything.
He probably thought you were a noob and wanted to point it out.
Got it.
Thanks for responding. I can tell you that since training in an actual gym again, I've been night-and-day better, and I don't want to mess it up. So I take gym etiquette seriously.
It's funny - I could see in my peripheral that he was watching me do my set, and I think he probably had no idea what I was doing with the 110's, and thought I was going to use them irresponsibly. I think when he saw me actually do them properly, he may have changed his mind.
Admittedly, some newbies and others at the gym are irresponsible. I just sort of pride myself in being mindful of basic courtesy matters while training.
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Got it.
Thanks for responding. I can tell you that since training in an actual gym again, I've been night-and-day better, and I don't want to mess it up. So I take gym etiquette seriously.
It's funny - I could see in my peripheral that he was watching me do my set, and I think he probably had no idea what I was doing with the 110's, and thought I was going to use them irresponsibly. I think when he saw me actually do them properly, he may have changed his mind.
Admittedly, some newbies and others at the gym are irresponsible. I just sort of pride myself in being mindful of basic courtesy matters while training.
Proper you look like an injury waiting to happen pick up the 80s next time and go slow and controlled and bring them all the way down to your chest you should be able to rest the weight on your damn chest between reps
There is no way you are getting a pump in your chest from that there is no mind muscle connection there
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Those are half reps your arms never break 90 degrees you literally dip the dumbell on one side to touch the chest complete garbage not one single decent rep entire set calling that 8 reps of perfect form bullshit that is all garbage bring the weights all the way down you are ego lifting not training
I can't remember how many reps that was. I think 4-5 with not horrible form. Not half reps - but not full reps.
Two days ago, I did eight with form that was better than that. Each rep was as good as my first rep in the video above.
STILL not "perfect" form...but definitely ok form.
I will be doing the 110's for 12 reps with perfect form within one month, and the 120's for 12 reps with perfect form within two months.
Why don't you believe I can press that weight with good form?
My shoulders are my strong point. Ultimately, I'm strong at presses, and I'm looking to break the record in my country for Circus Dumbbell for the u-80kg / 176.3-lb weight class!!
Here is a video of me doing seated dumbbell presses with the 100-lb dumbbells:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CdzEcekASYH/
^ B. Hank, what do you make of my form there?
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I can't remember how many reps that was. I think 4-5 with not horrible form. Not half reps - but not full reps.
Two days ago, I did eight with form that was better than that. Each rep was as good as my first rep in the video above.
STILL not "perfect" form...but definitely ok form.
I will be doing the 110's for 12 reps with perfect form within one month, and the 120's for 12 reps with perfect form within two months.
Why don't you believe I can press that weight with good form?
My shoulders are my strong point. Ultimately, I'm strong at presses, and I'm looking to break the record in my country for Circus Dumbbell for the u-80kg / 176.3-lb weight class!!
Here is a video of me doing seated dumbbell presses with the 100-lb dumbbells:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CdzEcekASYH/
^ B. Hank, what do you make of my form there?
Do you not see how your wrist is moving and the barbells are shifting? I am not denying you are strong I am saying you need to use less weight and better form you will get better results. The dumbells should be horizontal the entire time not shifting constantly dipping inward then outward as your wrist keeps shifting. Also just fyi I bring the dumbells all the way down to my shoulders again I can rest the dumbells on my shoulders between reps. You are using more weight than I use but I do sets of 20 and slow and controlled all the way to my shoulder elbows break 90 and then some same thing with bench your elbows do not break 90 and the dumbells are dancing not controlled. You don't need to use more weight you need to work on form
Every rep should not be a max effort
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To me, there are only 3 rules in the gym. Putting away your weights after you’re done with them, don’t take up both sides of the cable machine if it’s busy and don’t stand between someone and the mirror when they’re in the middle of a set. Everything else is fair game including sniffing and licking a cardio bunny’s bike seat after she’s done.
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Proper you look like an injury waiting to happen pick up the 80s next time and go slow and controlled and bring them all the way down to your chest you should be able to rest the weight on your damn chest between reps
There is no way you are getting a pump in your chest from that there is no mind muscle connection there
I don't compete in bodybuilding, because no one gains muscle while natural.
I hate to say it, but taking bodybuilding seriously, to any level of competition at all, really, is all drugs. And eating. I'm not judging bodybuilders - it's just that I made a health decision years ago to not go on steroids and stay on them forever.
I also don't want to take three shits a day because I'm eating 5-10 meals a day, because I think that is damaging to a person's organ integrity.
I have never been injured before, and I think the reason is because I don't use PED's. An oral-only cycle three times a decade doesn't count.
I don't want to be eating and shitting all day, so I compete in lightweight strongman competition. While you really can't go anywhere as a natural in bodybuilding, you can be at least successful at the local level while natural in strongman [MAYBE the provincial or state level].
In my weight class, some of the guys claim to be natural. I mean, these guys are like 5'7" to 5'11", and 175-180, lol. I could believe they are natural. Hard to say though.
I just didn't want to get in the pattern of relying on roids while having an empty ball sack and other side effects from juice.
I have never been injured - possibly because when you train naturally, your ligaments and tendons strengthen in proportion to your muscles. I think being natural prevents injuries.
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Nah, I do that all the time.
I'll deadlift up to about 65kg dbs and then in my opinion, it's fair game that I use the bench method.
It gets pretty desperate after that. Like a ticking timebomb as to whether I'm going to successfully get them situated on the quads before I can sit down. :-)
The 120 set was a bit shakey but anybody who has done solid reps as you have will know that that it means nothing, I phrase what you're doing there as "touching the weight". Just letting your body know it needs to adapt back to handling it.
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To me, there are only 3 rules in the gym. Putting away your weights after you’re done with them, don’t take up both sides of the cable machine if it’s busy and don’t stand between someone and the mirror when they’re in the middle of a set. Everything else is fair game including sniffing and licking a cardio bunny’s bike seat after she’s done.
I was just being mindful of that rule yesterday:
A very young woman - maybe even a teenager girl under 18 - was using the pec deck which you can see where the right dumbbell is in the screenshot of the completed rep.
I made it a point to stand to the side a little, so she could see the mirror. And she's way over there - far back from the mirror. So yes - I do like your rules, and try to follow them.
I can mainly follow them by coming to the gym when it's slow!
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Every rep should not be a max effort
Shut the fuck up.
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there is no mind muscle connection there
Shut the fuck up
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Nah, I do that all the time.
I'll deadlift up to about 65kg dbs and then in my opinion, it's fair game that I use the bench method.
It gets pretty desperate after that. Like a ticking timebomb as to whether I'm going to successfully get them situated on the quads before I can sit down. :-)
You have done up to the 65kg dumbbells, rocket? If so that is incredible! To be honest - I've actually never seen anyone personally use the 65kg dumbbells.
Indeed - all but TWO gyms in my city go beyond the 120-lb dumbbells [54.4kg]. One mainstream commercial gym goes to the 140's [which is 63.5kg], and one socialized strength gym goes to the 200-lb'ers [90.7kg dumbbells].
My max personally are the 140-lb dummbells for eight reps.
The 120 set was a bit shakey but anybody who has done solid reps as you have will know that that it means nothing, I phrase what you're doing there as "touching the weight". Just letting your body know it needs to adapt back to handling it.
Yes!!!
Exactly - I just wanted to touch the weight to sort of retrain my central nervous system to know what that weight feels like again.
By doing that, I will be that much more likely to do them for reps successfully next time.
To be fair, I knew I wasn't at the level of doing the 120's for reps yet - but I did think I might be able to get 1-3. But ultimately, I'm just glad I felt them in my hands, so I can get them next time I try them.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses that method for heavy dumbbell presses, lol. I think it kind of makes sense, given how unstable it can be to pick up heavier dumbbells. I remember Markus Ruhl doing the 200's in a photo, and thinking about how unstable it would be to just move around with them...
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I would always put 80-120s in middle of benches when I was doing shrugs, curls etc… and no it’s not damaging the bench, over time it will damage the pad but it will take a while so next time tell the guy to get fucked.
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I don't compete in bodybuilding, because no one gains muscle while natural.
I hate to say it, but taking bodybuilding seriously, to any level of competition at all, really, is all drugs. And eating. I'm not judging bodybuilders - it's just that I made a health decision years ago to not go on steroids and stay on them forever.
I also don't want to take three shits a day because I'm eating 5-10 meals a day, because I think that is damaging to a person's organ integrity.
I have never been injured before, and I think the reason is because I don't use PED's. An oral-only cycle three times a decade doesn't count.
I don't want to be eating and shitting all day, so I compete in lightweight strongman competition. While you really can't go anywhere as a natural in bodybuilding, you can be at least successful at the local level while natural in strongman [MAYBE the provincial or state level].
In my weight class, some of the guys claim to be natural. I mean, these guys are like 5'7" to 5'11", and 175-180, lol. I could believe they are natural. Hard to say though.
I just didn't want to get in the pattern of relying on roids while having an empty ball sack and other side effects from juice.
I have never been injured - possibly because when you train naturally, your ligaments and tendons strengthen in proportion to your muscles. I think being natural prevents injuries.
Keep training like that into your 40s then you will destory your shoulders have fun it has nothing to do with bodybuilding or steroids you are simply using horrible form becasue the weight is too heavy
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Shut the fuck up.
LOL!!!!!
Like I said - natural BODYBUILDING sucks.
Steroids aside - EATING matters way more to bodybuilding than training. To think we all spent years thinking it's about hard work in the gym. Bodybuilding is legitimately more about EATING than training.
So where did that leave a person like me, who wanted to train hard, but not massively go up in body weight, and not eat excessive calories?
Strength training. That makes sense. That way I can enjoy my training and still make progress without having to eat so much, and not rely on PED's.
Plus in my case, I have a bad structure for muscle building - aside from a couple of areas. Shoulders, for example.
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You have done up to the 65kg dumbbells, rocket? If so that is incredible! To be honest - I've actually never seen anyone personally use the 65kg dumbbells.
Indeed - all but TWO gyms in my city go beyond the 120-lb dumbbells. One mainstream commercial gym goes to the 140's, and one socialized strength gym goes to the 200's.
My max personally are the 140-lb dummbells [which is around 63kg], for eight reps.
Yes!!!
Exactly - I just wanted to touch the weight to sort of retrain my central nervous system to know what that weight feels like again.
By doing that, I will be that much more likely to do them for reps successfully next time.
To be fair, I knew I wasn't at the level of doing the 120's for reps yet - but I did think I might be able to get 1-3. But ultimately, I'm just glad I felt them in my hands, so I can get them next time I try them.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses that method for heavy dumbbell presses, lol. I think it kind of makes sense, given how unstable it can be to pick up heavier dumbbells. I remember Markus Ruhl doing the 200's in a photo, and thinking about how unstable it would be to just move around with them...
I've done up to 75kg dbs and wouldn't have a problem doing a probably ugly as fuck single on them right now. Except the bit where you get those c unts onto your legs. Oh how unwieldy they are.
Quite ironically, I'm actually rather shit at db shoulder press. I don't know what I'd be able to do, but it would be mediocre.
Don't be so polite to bhanks. Bodybuilders are free to do their bitch weights and pretend like they are all about the "mind muscle connection" instead of admitting that they just don't have the heart to handle heavy weights (because lets face it, most of them probably could if they had the heart), but let's draw the line when one of these bitches is giving you advices, just as we would if you attempted to inform him about his own quest for pageantry success.
I mean really, what the fuck is someone talking about when they say "mind muscle connection" when you're sitting under maximal weights. If your mind isn't very earnestly connected to what is happening, you're going to get squashed ::)
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Keep training like that into your 40s then you will destory your shoulders have fun
And when is that going to happen? Does it just come out of the blue, or will it start with little nagging aches and pains/strains?
I'll be honest, B. Hank - since turning 40, I HAVE changed my training a bit.
I do more extensive warmup sets now.
I still DO have my crazy sets, but...not as often as before.
I am working on 3-rep maxes, rather than singles. But are you saying that 110-lb set was risky? I didn't really feel that way.
That 120-lb set was a bit riskier - and I felt that way. I wasn't worried about the 110's though.
I'll be getting the 110's for 10 by next week. I generally don't worry about dumbbells until at least the 110's. Anything up to 105's, I can do for 15+ reps usually.
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LOL!!!!!
Like I said - natural BODYBUILDING sucks.
Steroids aside - EATING matters way more to bodybuilding than training. To think we all spent years thinking it's about hard work in the gym. Bodybuilding is legitimately more about EATING than training.
So where did that leave a person like me, who wanted to train hard, but not massively go up in body weight, and not eat excessive calories?
Strength training. That makes sense. That way I can enjoy my training and still make progress without having to eat so much, and not rely on PED's.
Plus in my case, I have a bad structure for muscle building - aside from a couple of areas. Shoulders, for example.
You are not building muscle because your form sucks and you are ego lifting not becasue you dont take PEDs
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I used 3-pounders this AM.
Beast-mode...
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I used 3-pounders this AM.
Beast-mode...
We literally use the same damn weights for upper body also you are getting the same reps with 225 squatting as I get yes you go up in weight, but the reps also come down at 225 you are reporting the same reps as me
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I've done up to 75kg dbs and wouldn't have a problem doing a probably ugly as fuck single on them right now. Except the bit where you get those c unts onto your legs. Oh how unwieldy they are.
Quite ironically, I'm actually rather shit at db shoulder press. I don't know what I'd be able to do, but it would be mediocre.
Don't be so polite to bhanks. Bodybuilders are free to do their bitch weights and pretend like they are all about the "mind muscle connection" instead of admitting that they just don't have the heart to handle heavy weights (because lets face it, most of them probably could if they had the heart), but let's draw the line when one of these bitches is giving you advices, just as we would if you attempted to inform him about his own quest for pageantry success.
I mean really, what the fuck is someone talking about when they say "mind muscle connection" when you're sitting under maximal weights. If your mind isn't very earnestly connected to what is happening, you're going to get squashed ::)
LMAO!! HAHAHA.
That's great, rocket. :)
You know - I'd do the whole lighter weight with perfect form and five second controlled reps or whatever, but...how much muscle am I going to gain without gear?
Frank Zane was my height and was around 185-lb at his best look, and was on a ton of stuff if I had to guess.
What could I even be as a natural bodybuilder? 165-lb? If I cut now, I'd probably be 145-lb. Even then, I cut to 157 once, and felt I was just losing muscle. And now that I know I have hypothyroidism, I may not even have the genetics to ever get lean.
Hence why I train for a physique for day to day life + to be as strong as I can *for my size*.
As for you being able to do 75kg dumbbells - that's amazing.
There is only ONE gym in town that has dummbells that heavy!
In fact, only two gyms here go beyond 120-lb dummbells, and only one of those two go beyond the 140's.
My chest sucks pretty bad...maybe I can grab the 30kg dumbbells, and do slow controlled reps using the mind muscle connection, and the "Weider Blood Volume Training Principle", etc.
I doubt my chest will respond though. As I said, my genetics for bodybuilding pageantry suck...that's why I train for strength, generally speaking.
I'm on a "natural powerbuilding" routine...I guess.
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LMAO!! HAHAHA.
That's great, rocket. :)
You know - I'd do the whole lighter weight with perfect form and five second controlled reps or whatever, but...how much muscle am I going to gain without gear?
Frank Zane was my height and was around 185-lb at his best look, and was on a ton of stuff if I had to guess.
What could I even be as a natural bodybuilder? 165-lb? If I cut now, I'd probably be 145-lb. Even then, I cut to 157 once, and felt I was just losing muscle. And now that I know I have hypothyroidism, I may not even have the genetics to ever get lean.
Hence why I train for a physique for day to day life + to be as strong as I can *for my size*.
As for you being able to do 75kg dumbbells - that's amazing.
There is only ONE gym in town that has dummbells that heavy!
In fact, only two gyms here go beyond 120-lb dummbells, and only one of those two go beyond the 140's.
My chest sucks pretty bad...maybe I can grab the 30kg dumbbells, and do slow controlled reps using the mind muscle connection, and the "Weider Blood Volume Training Principle", etc.
I doubt my chest will respond though. As I said, my genetics for bodybuilding pageantry suck...that's why I train for strength, generally speaking.
I'm on a "natural powerbuilding" routine...I guess.
Fine fucking pretend you are doing full reps with proper form until you blow out your shoulder have fun and these dumb morons are cheering you on to injury
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You are not building muscle because your form sucks and you are ego lifting not becasue you dont take PEDs
Wouldn't you say bodybuilding is more about nutrition?
I mean, if bodybuilders basically went to the body twice a week and did full body workouts both times, the scientific literature seems pretty clear to me that they will make gains, providing they are eating enough and taking PED's.
If I wanted to gain muscle, wouldn't increasing my protein make more sense?
We talk about bodybuilding like it's all about training, and IMO, that is bull. IMO, bodybuilding = nutrition. PEDs are about equally important as nutrition, but training is definitely last place between those three.
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Fine fucking pretend you are doing full reps with proper form until you blow out your shoulder have fun and these dumb morons are cheering you on to injury
Do you mean my set with 110's for 4-5 reps?
I don't think they were full reps, but my set two days ago were closer to full reps.
But I would not call my reps in that video half reps either. It would be fair to call them 3/4 reps, IMO. But my form was better than that on my latest attempt.
I just wanted to touch the weights, as rocket said, so my body gets used to them.
I'll be doing the 120's for 8-12 reps with perfect form in two months.
At 170-lb body weight.
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Wouldn't you say bodybuilding is more about nutrition?
I mean, if bodybuilders basically went to the body twice a week and did full body workouts both times, the scientific literature seems pretty clear to me that they will make gains, providing they are eating enough and taking PED's.
If I wanted to gain muscle, wouldn't increasing my protein make more sense?
We talk about bodybuilding like it's all about training, and IMO, that is bull. IMO, bodybuilding = nutrition. PEDs are about equally important as nutrition, but training is definitely last place between those three.
Its 100 percent training, 100 percent nutrition and 100 percent rest and recovery
Again the scientific literature is not the same as the real world. None of this changes the fact your form
sucks and you are doing half reps with too heavy of a weight. Stop who lifting and start training
You will not be doing 120 woth perfect form as you dont have perfext form you are using the form that allows you to use as much weight as possible partial reps. I did the same thing in college a couple shoulder surgeries later I learned my lesson and I now use proper form. You should have fogured it oit by 40 your wrost should not be bending all over the place during a rep the barbells should go up and down to your body wonows should break 90 and dumbells should stay horizontal wrist should stay straight nothing to do with pwerlifting vs bodybuilding proper form is proper form and you dont have it
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LMAO!! HAHAHA.
That's great, rocket. :)
You know - I'd do the whole lighter weight with perfect form and five second controlled reps or whatever, but...how much muscle am I going to gain without gear?
Frank Zane was my height and was around 185-lb at his best look, and was on a ton of stuff if I had to guess.
What could I even be as a natural bodybuilder? 165-lb? If I cut now, I'd probably be 145-lb. Even then, I cut to 157 once, and felt I was just losing muscle. And now that I know I have hypothyroidism, I may not even have the genetics to ever get lean.
Hence why I train for a physique for day to day life + to be as strong as I can *for my size*.
As for you being able to do 75kg dumbbells - that's amazing.
There is only ONE gym in town that has dummbells that heavy!
In fact, only two gyms here go beyond 120-lb dummbells, and only one of those two go beyond the 140's.
My chest sucks pretty bad...maybe I can grab the 30kg dumbbells, and do slow controlled reps using the mind muscle connection, and the "Weider Blood Volume Training Principle", etc.
I doubt my chest will respond though. As I said, my genetics for bodybuilding pageantry suck...that's why I train for strength, generally speaking.
I'm on a "natural powerbuilding" routine...I guess.
Yeah I think I have a fairly large chest so I'm probably naturally strong around that area.
To be fair, I started lifting weight with a lot of tnation workouts that did emphasise 3 second lowering portions and I think it has had a lot to do with my level of control. I did that for quite a few years whilst I attempted to be a bodybuilder. Before I discovered that no, that's just a joke and I will never be one.
I would love to do steroids - I just can't find any evidence that there is any way for me to do them without them creating some level of a problem for me.
Which is a shame, because obviously if we can be this strong without gear - what fun we would have with gear.
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Go watch his video he does not break 90 degrees with his arms he literally dips the dumbells on one side not one decent rep
You could though right?
I used to clean the one hundred pounders from the floor while simultaneously falling back hoping to land correctly on a thirty degree incline bench and then I`d pump out 5 full range of motion reps all weighing far less than the combined weight of the dumbells themselves.... one sixty to be exact.....beside the pressing part which you would fail at, I would die laughing watching you attempt to clean them from the floor and if you landed crooked on the bench you were fucked.....never got the hang of that knee kick dumbell thingy.....kinda` gay actually.
Matt may be Canadian.....{not your fault Matt}.....LOL j/k/.....but he` a strong guy far stronger than you......AND he weighs less the two bills....how you have the balls to critique his lifts is astounding you jealous kunt.
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you remind me of African children walking 10 miles a day for water
Fucks sake move nearer the water
Move the bench nearer to the dumbbells
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To me, there are only 3 rules in the gym. Putting away your weights after you’re done with them, don’t take up both sides of the cable machine if it’s busy and don’t stand between someone and the mirror when they’re in the middle of a set. Everything else is fair game including sniffing and licking a cardio bunny’s bike seat after she’s done.
I see people doing this all the time and I agree.
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We literally use the same damn weights for upper body also you are getting the same reps with 225 squatting as I get yes you go up in weight, but the reps also come down at 225 you are reporting the same reps as me
HEY DICKLESS,YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE THAT EVER WAS ON THIS BOARD ....YOU ARE LITERALLY BETTER THAN EVERYONE HERE YET YOU LOOK LIKE SHIT AND CANT SQUAT FOUR -OH - FIVE.....YOU TWAT.
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You could though right?
I used to clean the one hundred pounders from the floor while simultaneously falling back hoping to land correctly on a thirty degree incline bench and then I`d pump out 5 full range of motion reps all weighing far less than the combined weight of the dumbells themselves.... one sixty to be exact.....beside the pressing part which you would fail at, I would die laughing watching you attempt to clean them from the floor and if you landed crooked on the bench you were fucked.....never got the hang of that knee kick dumbell thingy.....kinda` gay actually.
Matt may be Canadian.....{not your fault Matt}.....LOL j/k/.....but he` a strong guy far stronger than you......AND he weighs less the two bills....how you have the balls to critique his lifts is astounding you jealous kunt.
No idea how you can honestly defend his form its autrocious this is why I dont argue with you idiots about how much weight you think you use he didnt get one single full rep and is going to injure himself training like that
You know nothing about weightlifting
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Wouldn't you say bodybuilding is more about nutrition?
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Its 100 percent training, 100 percent nutrition and 100 percent rest and recovery
Again the scientific literature is not the same as the real world. None of this changes the fact your form
sucks and you are doing half reps with too heavy of a weight. Stop who lifting and start training
Fuck off, you withered cunt. 'The scientific literature is not the same as the real world'. LOL, there's the scientific way, and then there's the Hankins way. Which is, whatever Hankins is doing, THAT'S the right way! Why? Because HE'S doing it. And there's nothing else to consider, because Hankins knows best. Doesn't matter if you lift for strength, or mental wellbeing, or for cardiovascular benefits. It doesn't matter what your views on nutrition are, or what your goals are, or what you enjoy eating. DO WHAT BRIAN DOES!
Need TRT? 500 mg per week is the minimum! Why? Because that's what Cow Head is currently using. Anything less than supraphysiological dosages is just a waste of your time, and doesn't in ANY WAY contradict the definition of 'replacement therapy'. Why? Because there's no way that Brian is simply just a deluded and arrogant fuck-up whose physique is the result of drugs alone.
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No idea how you can honestly defend his form its autrocious this is why I dont argue with you idiots about how much weight you think you use he didnt get one single full rep and is going to injure himself training like that
You know nothing about weightlifting
My max bench press is 345-lb in the gym, and 320-lb in contest.
I've bench pressed 315x8 in the gym, but only have a video of me doing 315x6.
But keep in mind, gyms in Canada were closed for 500+ days. I've only been training for eight months - but even that isn't exactly accurate, as they were not consecutive months. Gyms closed here YET AGAIN in January, and I took February and March off also, because my training partner's wife had Covid in February [actually had it for real, not just a bullshit PCR test], and we didn't want to infect the gym. Then finally when we were ready to start in March, he got a new job out of town.
So out of the eight months I've been training, it's only been three months off, then the past two months back on again.
I have been a lot stronger before and I will get there again.
In two months, I will hit the 120's for 8-12 clean reps.
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My max bench press is 345-lb in the gym, and 320-lb in contest.
I've bench pressed 315x8 in the gym, but only have a video of me doing 315x6.
But keep in mind, gyms in Canada were closed for 500+ days. I've only been training for eight months - but even that isn't exactly accurate, as they were not consecutive months. Gyms closed here YET AGAIN in January, and I took February and March off also, because my training partner's wife had Covid in February [actually had it for real, not just a bullshit PCR test], and we didn't want to infect the gym. Then finally when we were ready to start in March, he got a new job out of town.
So out of the eight months I've been training, it's only been three months off, then the past two months back on again.
I have been a lot stronger before and I will get there again.
In two months, I will hit the 120's for 8-12 clean reps.
You are missing the point it doesnt matter what you are lifting your form sucks improve your form and you will get stronger
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You know nothing about weightlifting
The form isn't amazing.
But here's the thing, that form cleans up when his strength comes up
The difference here is that I listen to matt say he did plenty of reps on that weight and I know that any perception that he is doing damage is just one of someone who desperately wants to believe that it might be so. The truth is that his form will clean up. If he says it feels fine, it feels fine.
It is extremely difficult to injure yourself on a flat db press. Bench, yes, dbs no.
If that was a bench rep, I'd say yeah don't go there yet girlfriend, but it isn't - it's dbs and the situation is different.
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I mean, if we just compare training and nutrition.
If you take two people [let's even say identical twins, for the sake of the example], and one eats three meals + three shakes per day and just trains body weight exercises, and the other trains with perfect form, but gets insufficient protein, who will make more gains?
I don't know...I just feel the person more dedicated to nutrition will gain more mass.
How can you gain muscle without good nutrition?
In a video I posted in Gym-Rat's WSM thread, I posted a 2017 video where Brian Shaw said eating was the hardest part of strongman. Admittedly, that surprised me quite a bit! I know it's hard, but I didn't think it would be harder than training.
I don't know...I just always sort of felt nutrition [sufficient protein/calories] was more important than training. Like...call it 70/30 for nutrition/training.
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Its 100 percent training, 100 percent nutrition and 100 percent rest and recovery
Again the scientific literature is not the same as the real world. None of this changes the fact your form
sucks and you are doing half reps with too heavy of a weight. Stop who lifting and start training
You will not be doing 120 woth perfect form as you dont have perfext form you are using the form that allows you to use as much weight as possible partial reps. I did the same thing in college a couple shoulder surgeries later I learned my lesson and I now use proper form. You should have fogured it oit by 40 your wrost should not be bending all over the place during a rep the barbells should go up and down to your body wonows should break 90 and dumbells should stay horizontal wrist should stay straight nothing to do with pwerlifting vs bodybuilding proper form is proper form and you dont have it
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FUCKING CLOWN WATCHES TV WHILE HE TRAINS AND DIETS ON DONUTS.....RESULT = FOUR LAST PLACE TROPHIES. LOL ;D
He asks for current pics from guys who competed while he was still in his pops nutsack and expects them to look fourty four years old like him in their fifties and sixties after competing for ever years/decades and winning trophies with a literal ton of contestants............N OT JUST NINE GUYS IN THE TOTAL CONTEST COMPETING FOR A MEDAL THAT LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING DOGS LICENSE.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Fucking biggest asshole in twenty years yet somehow he finds it in his black shallow heart to actually have fallen in love with himself.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D
Sad part= doesn`t realize he`s a loser no matter how many material things he owns.
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The form isn't amazing.
But here's the thing, that form cleans up when his strength comes up
The difference here is that I listen to matt say he did plenty of reps on that weight and I know that any perception that he is doing damage is just one of someone who desperately wants to believe that it might be so. The truth is that his form will clean up. If he says it feels fine, it feels fine.
It is extremely difficult to injure yourself on a flat db press. Bench, yes, dbs no.
If that was a bench rep, I'd say yeah don't go there yet girlfriend, but it isn't - it's dbs and the situation is different.
So you are just going to ignore his wrist not staying straight? And the shoulder press is going to jack him up they also require you to touch the chest as in elbows below 90 in competition he wont get off the chest if he doesnt train a full range of motion
Every set Matt does is a show of strength instead of training for strength he is ego lifing like a college freshman less weight better form will get him stronger faster
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Looking at the video I'd give him 3 out of the 5. The form was about average for what you see in gyms.
Certainly better than -
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdu7ZldAHeq/ .
Matt did the guy see that?
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They say one of the advantages of dumbells is you get a longer range of motion compared to barbells. The opposite is true, with heavy dumbells you don't get very far down because the dumbell hits your body. You probably get 30% shorter range with dumbells.
There is really no such thing as full range reps as in training the muscle through its full potential range. Most exercises do not allow it. Nor do you have to train through the full range. Many of these pros lower a bar to 2 or 3 inches off the chest only and this can save your delts and pecs over time.
If I had healthy pecs (I haven't pressed anything heavy in more than 20 years), I would also angle my elbows in a bit on dumbell presses. Doesn't reduce pec activation and doesn't put the pec in as vulnerable a position.
Strongman is very dangerous. The whole idea is to cheat as much as possible within the rules, not train a muscle through it's full range
When I was 15 I was told that I was going to pay for lifting so heavy. As a kid you don't think about it. And I paid of course.
Lots of tears and now at 40+ I start to notice the knees, the hips, the shoulders, which I never had problems with for the longest time. The latest injury was a bicep tear but I didn't hurt it at the gym. I've been so paranoid and careful not to tear a bicep for decades and it still happened.
Just some rambling thoughts.
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My max bench press is 345-lb in the gym, and 320-lb in contest.
I've bench pressed 315x8 in the gym, but only have a video of me doing 315x6.
But keep in mind, gyms in Canada were closed for 500+ days. I've only been training for eight months - but even that isn't exactly accurate, as they were not consecutive months. Gyms closed here YET AGAIN in January, and I took February and March off also, because my training partner's wife had Covid in February [actually had it for real, not just a bullshit PCR test], and we didn't want to infect the gym. Then finally when we were ready to start in March, he got a new job out of town.
So out of the eight months I've been training, it's only been three months off, then the past two months back on again.
I have been a lot stronger before and I will get there again.
In two months, I will hit the 120's for 8-12 clean reps.
YOU`RE OUT BENCHING HIS BEST SHALLOW SQUAT. HA HA HA HA HA
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You are missing the point it doesnt matter what you are lifting your form sucks improve your form and you will get stronger
I'm 22-lb away from breaking the current Circus Dumbbell record in my weight class in Canada.
I don't think I'll be getting *that* much stronger, without bringing my body weight up.
I mean, at 170-175-180...how strong can I get?
But as rocket said, I just wanted to touch the weight to feel it.
To be fair, I usually train with better form.
I'm just eager to get back to my previous best lifts, and I got a bit ahead of myself.
In one month, I'll be doing the 110's for 8-12 with perfect form, and in two months, I'll be doing the 120's for 8-12 with perfect form.
I don't get why you don't believe me.
I also don't get why you're mad at me - is it because I told your wife she was looks good on Instagram? Looks sexy.
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I mean, if we just compare training and nutrition.
If you take two people [let's even say identical twins, for the sake of the example], and one eats three meals + three shakes per day and just trains body weight exercises, and the other trains with perfect form, but gets insufficient protein, who will make more gains?
I don't know...I just feel the person more dedicated to nutrition will gain more mass.
How can you gain muscle without good nutrition?
In a video I posted in Gym-Rat's WSM thread, I posted a 2017 video where Brian Shaw said eating was the hardest part of strongman. Admittedly, that surprised me quite a bit! I know it's hard, but I didn't think it would be harder than training.
I don't know...I just always sort of felt nutrition [sufficient protein/calories] was more important than training. Like...call it 70/30 for nutrition/training.
I wasn`t laughing at you.....the clown subsists on fucking Happy Meals and call himself a bodybuilder....he`ll never win another last place medal..........or bb award of any kind cuz he trains likes a wuss and eats like a 5 year old.
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Looking at the video I'd give him 3 out of the 5. The form was about average for what you see in gyms.
Certainly better than -
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdu7ZldAHeq/ .
Matt did the guy see that?
Lol!
NO - THANK GOD.
I hate dropping dumbbells. I mean - sometimes it's unavoidable, but...that time I just got ahead of myself. And I knew it would be a hard set, and I might not get it - so dumping those dumbbells could have been avoided.
I'm glad he didn't see that. It was late at night when few if any other people were there.
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So you are just going to ignore his wrist not staying straight? And the shoulder press is going to jack him up they also require you to touch the chest as in elbows below 90 in competition he wont get off the chest if he doesnt train a full range of motion
Every set Matt does is a show of strength instead of training for strength he is ego lifing like a college freshman less weight better form will get him stronger faster
I'm not ignoring it.
It isn't consequential when you've been strong at that weight before. You WILL adapt and have more control the next time.
I don't need to lecture him on it. He will be stronger next time.
I've certainly done the odd dodgy thing with a wrist on a heavy db press before. It wasn't ideal and it didn't happen the next time I did that weight.
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I wasn`t laughing at you.....the clown subsists on fucking Happy Meals and call himself a bodybuilder....he`ll never win another last place medal..........or bb award of any kind cuz he trains likes a wuss and eats like a 5 year old.
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B. Hank has a bad diet?! ???
Wow, I had idea.
I mean, he looks better than me, so who am I to judge his physique? However, that's funny what you said about his diet, rofl. ;D
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CAN YOU SAY THREAD BACKFIRE ?
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B. Hank has a bad diet?! ???
Wow, I had idea.
I mean, he looks better than me, so who am I to judge his physique? However, that's funny what you said about his diet, rofl. ;D
Copius amounts of gear and growth hormone doesn`t hurt when you live on junk food.
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I'm 22-lb away from breaking the current Circus Dumbbell record in my weight class in Canada.
I don't think I'll be getting *that* much stronger, without bringing my body weight up.
I mean, at 170-175-180...how strong can I get?
But as rocket said, I just wanted to touch the weight to feel it.
To be fair, I usually train with better form.
I'm just eager to get back to my previous best lifts, and I got a bit ahead of myself.
In one month, I'll be doing the 110's for 8-12 with perfect form, and in two months, I'll be doing the 120's for 8-12 with perfect form.
I don't get why you don't believe me.
I also don't get why you're mad at me - is it because I told your wife she was looks good on Instagram? Looks sexy.
That's great news, Matt. I've always thought you belong in a circus.
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I'm 22-lb away from breaking the current Circus Dumbbell record in my weight class in Canada.
I don't think I'll be getting *that* much stronger, without bringing my body weight up.
I mean, at 170-175-180...how strong can I get?
But as rocket said, I just wanted to touch the weight to feel it.
To be fair, I usually train with better form.
I'm just eager to get back to my previous best lifts, and I got a bit ahead of myself.
In one month, I'll be doing the 110's for 8-12 with perfect form, and in two months, I'll be doing the 120's for 8-12 with perfect form.
I don't get why you don't believe me.
I also don't get why you're mad at me - is it because I told your wife she was looks good on Instagram? Looks sexy.
Not mad just shocked you call that 8 reps you did not do one proper rep and you say you are going up in weight soon you need to go down
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Chinese benches of piss.
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Less weight with proper form stimulates the muscle more than heavier weight with bad form
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Less weight with proper form stimulates the muscle more than heavier weight with bad form
You say that cuz your a weak bitch....I establish a perfect mind muscle connection using good poudages ....it might be that your TV is distracting you during your intense training sessions.
HA HA HA HA HA HA
PUNCHING BAG OF PEACE
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Was he sexual?
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Less weight with proper form stimulates the muscle more than heavier weight with bad form
HE TRAINS FOR "STRONGMAN" YOU MIRROR ATHLETE.
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Less weight with proper form stimulates the muscle more than heavier weight with bad form
said the man who has regressed over the last 12 months
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HE TRAINS FOR "STRONGMAN" YOU MIRROR ATHLETE.
I can't believe you call that training that is not training you know they actually have wrist wraps powerlifters use to prevent what his wrist are doing his entire "set" you think strongman move their wrist like that? You think they go halfway down and one arm goes up at a time as they wiggle their entire body?
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said the man who has regressed over the last 12 months
Really you want to talk regression you look like you never trained a day in your life
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Really you want to talk regression you look like you never trained a day in your life
really, I havent posted a photo in two months, how do you know what I look like?
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really, I havent posted a photo in two months, how do you know what I look like?
You havent gone from dogshit to good in 2 months
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You havent gone from dogshit to good in 2 months
I was never dogshit, I have been in shape for over 35 years
I looked better than you when I didnt train for about 7 years
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Also does anyone else notice Matt has a strongman thread he also just started talking about his last oral cycle of anadrol and his plan to start something soon meanwhile he post a bunch of holier than though anti juice crap in this thread. Also 180lbs strongman division is about as much of a joke as 160lb bodybuilding. If he was actually training for strongman he would be eating and putting on weight not 180lbs talking shit about how anyone bigger is abusing gear. Has anyone else ever even heard of a 180lbs strongman division fuck no strongmen are 250lbs plus
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I was never dogshit, I have been in shape for over 35 years
I looked better than you when I didnt train for about 7 years
You look like dogshit now like a guy who never trained a day in his life prove me wrong you can't dumbass
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Also does anyone else notice Matt has a strongman thread he also just started talking about his last oral cycle of anadrol and his plan to start something soon meanwhile he post a bunch of holier than though anti juice crap in this thread. Also 180lbs strongman division is about as much of a joke as 160lb bodybuilding. If he was actually training for strongman he would be eating and putting on weight not 180lbs talking shit about how anyone bigger is abusing gear. Has anyone else ever even heard of a 180lbs strongman division fuck no strongmen are 250lbs plus
Yet most of the 180 lb Strongmen (and women) destroy you in every way.
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Was he sexual?
I think Matt has some depression going on and is no longer sexual.
If the guy telling you not to put the dumbells on the bench wasn't an owner or worker then it's probably poor gym etiquette on his part. unless there are signs posted or some way to know I'd consider it a bit rude to receive unsolicited advice like that. But I do think it can damage the upholstery.
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I skimmed your original post and nothing else. Fortress is busy …
Perhaps put ‘em on the floor, yeah, but having said this, you should have told the tosser to get fucked. If he pushed the routine, shove him so hard he breaks bones impacting with whatever is behind him.
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Go watch his video he does not break 90 degrees with his arms he literally dips the dumbells on one side not one decent rep
You really are critiquing form?
Have you seen your shit fuck squats and pull ups?
Either way, Matt your in the wrong.
The only ppl I see resting weights on the bench are chicks doing hip thrusts.
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Also does anyone else notice Matt has a strongman thread he also just started talking about his last oral cycle of anadrol and his plan to start something soon meanwhile he post a bunch of holier than though anti juice crap in this thread. Also 180lbs strongman division is about as much of a joke as 160lb bodybuilding. If he was actually training for strongman he would be eating and putting on weight not 180lbs talking shit about how anyone bigger is abusing gear. Has anyone else ever even heard of a 180lbs strongman division fuck no strongmen are 250lbs plus
52 kilo wheelchair athletes beat you on bench
they have you on legs as well
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Gym rules I believe in
Re rack your dumbbells and plates
Don’t drop dumbbells
Don’t scream and yell unless legit heavy weight
Don’t shadowbox if not a fighter
Don’t talk on cellphone
Don’t dance and sing your stupid ass rap music
Don’t lift near me
Don’t sit on equipment and not use it
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Gym rules I believe in
Re rack your dumbbells and plates
Don’t drop dumbbells
Don’t scream and yell unless legit heavy weight
Don’t shadowbox if not a fighter
Don’t talk on cellphone
Don’t dance and sing your stupid ass rap music
Don’t lift near me
Don’t sit on equipment and not use it
great list ^^
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So I was doing dumbbell bench press yesterday with 110-lb dumbbells - to get them, I had to pick them off the rack on the other end of the rack from where my bench was. I also had to walk AROUND all the other benches, because someone was doing deficit deadlifts in the area, and another person was doing Bulgarian split squats with his bench very tight to the dumbbell rack, and we have limited gym space.
So after basically doing a Farmer's Walk with the 110-lb dumbbells, I placed them both on the bench, one after another, in the centre of the bench - sort of like in the picture below, but with BOTH 110-lb dumbbells on the bench.
So the guy deadlifting [he's either a welder or an iron worker] came up and pointed to another bench that got damaged - but that had NOTHING to do with simply RESTING the dumbbells on the bench. It was because a 110-lb dumbbell fell from a far height and smashed the end of the bench.
So the bench was NOT damaged from a dumbbell simply RESTING on the end of the bench - the weight FELL on it. And hit a part of the bench that has no support.
Whereas I sometimes rest the dumbbells in the middle, where there IS support.
So the guy insists to me that it's damaging to rest dumbbells on the bench.
Anyway, I have to figure out if I'm wrong here:
Is it bad to rest 220-lb in dumbbells side by side, on a flat bench?
So if a 300-lb man just sat in the middle of a bench to rest, that would damage it?
I'm not seeing it.
Am I in the wrong here?
Yes. Don't put the weights on the bench.
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Some carry the dumbbells to the bench...others carry the bench to the dumbbells.
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Matt, i think you have some sort of personality disorder Specifically, Paranoid personality disorder (PPD)
Believing everyone is out to get you or has an agenda against you.
it's basic gym 101 and i have trained at some goods gyms Bevs, Strong and Shapley, Binous, Montanari Bros, Golds to name a few)
Its equivalent to the morons doing DB rows and resting the weight on the bench in-between sets,
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So I was doing dumbbell bench press yesterday with 110-lb dumbbells - to get them, I had to pick them off the rack on the other end of the rack from where my bench was. I also had to walk AROUND all the other benches, because someone was doing deficit deadlifts in the area, and another person was doing Bulgarian split squats with his bench very tight to the dumbbell rack, and we have limited gym space.
So after basically doing a Farmer's Walk with the 110-lb dumbbells, I placed them both on the bench, one after another, in the centre of the bench - sort of like in the picture below, but with BOTH 110-lb dumbbells on the bench.
So the guy deadlifting [he's either a welder or an iron worker] came up and pointed to another bench that got damaged - but that had NOTHING to do with simply RESTING the dumbbells on the bench. It was because a 110-lb dumbbell fell from a far height and smashed the end of the bench.
So the bench was NOT damaged from a dumbbell simply RESTING on the end of the bench - the weight FELL on it. And hit a part of the bench that has no support.
Whereas I sometimes rest the dumbbells in the middle, where there IS support.
So the guy insists to me that it's damaging to rest dumbbells on the bench.
Anyway, I have to figure out if I'm wrong here:
Is it bad to rest 220-lb in dumbbells side by side, on a flat bench?
So if a 300-lb man just sat in the middle of a bench to rest, that would damage it?
I'm not seeing it.
Am I in the wrong here?
Dumbells have no business on a bench. It's not the same as a 300lb man...dumbells are hard and can cause damage. It's like what I saw the other day at the gym...a woman doing step ups on a bench.
I walked up to her and said:
"Madame, you are not using the bench correctly!"
She looked at me in a dazed, confused gaze.
"You are putting your dirty running shoes on a bench I lay down on to do exercises, I have no clue what your shoes have stepped in".
She walked away in a huff.
GODSPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Once again bhank hijacks a thread and makes it all about him.
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Once again bhank hijacks a thread and makes it all about him.
Hanky`s a knob....Matt isn`t my favorite poster cuz every post he makes reads like "War And Peace" but he`s a good guy who bothers no one and this asshole who uses the pink dumbells has the audacity and outright balls to question his power and form when he`d have a helluva` time even deadlifting those dumbells and may even possibly fail if he did try.
What a fucking complete and total asshole.
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Hanky`s a knob....Matt isn`t my favorite poster cuz every post he makes reads like "War And Peace" but he`s a good guy who bothers no one and this asshole who uses the pink dumbells has the audacity and outright balls to question his power and form when he`d have a helluva` time even deadlifting those dumbells and may even possibly fail if he did try.
What a fucking complete and total asshole.
Just insane you are going to defend what you saw did you watch the video? For fuck sake what lifting coach teaches you to move your wrist when pressing to let the dumbell dip in the middle on the lower part and then outside at the top as your wrist does a fucking see saw?
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Matt is a strong mother.
Respect.
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HE TRAINS FOR "STRONGMAN" YOU MIRROR ATHLETE.
Thank you, wes. Yes, lol. Yes, exactly - and I am competitive in the manlet category. Although I have competed in heavier classes, but obviously had a major body weight disadvantage, with the heaviest competitor out-weighing me by over 130-lb. :)
Getbiggers miss nothing - what in this photo doesn't belong here?:
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I can't believe you call that training that is not training you know they actually have wrist wraps powerlifters use to prevent what his wrist are doing his entire "set" you think strongman move their wrist like that? You think they go halfway down and one arm goes up at a time as they wiggle their entire body?
Yes, but strongman is sort of just about lifting the weight up.
It's essentially waiting to happen, but knock on wood - no injuries yet.
I also tend to pull back at 97-99%.
This does make me different from the other guys - they can just push themselves to a place that I typically never do. And most ones who I know personally have been injured before.
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Thank you, wes. Yes, lol. Yes, exactly - and I am competitive in the manlet category. Although I have competed in heavier classes, but obviously had a major body weight disadvantage, with the heaviest competitor out-weighing me by over 130-lb. :)
Getbiggers miss nothing - what in this photo doesn't belong here?:
Haha q bert
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Thank you, wes. Yes, lol. Yes, exactly - and I am competitive in the manlet category. Although I have competed in heavier classes, but obviously had a major body weight disadvantage, with the heaviest competitor out-weighing me by over 130-lb. :)
Getbiggers miss nothing - what in this photo doesn't belong here?:
Damn it Matt, clean those dusty trophies and put them in a nice display case.
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Haha q bert
LMAO!!! Getbig misses NOTHING!
And the dust, basically.
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Damn it Matt, clean those dusty trophies and put them in a nice display case.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Getbig is great.
This board basically saved me during the past two years of the insane-demic.
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Credit where credit is due, manlet Matt pushing 110’s for a few awkward partial reps is still good work for someone his size.
Don’t put the weights on the bench.
Brian Wood Healy Hankins jealousy rears its ugly fat growth hormone head because he knows damn well he can’t get close to 120 lb dumbbells for reps.
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I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong. Guys a prick.
Speaking of gym interactions:
In the gym yesterday. Doing legs. Finished up on squats. Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.
I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.
So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.
So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....
He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction. They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."
The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head. I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something. But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.
I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.
Fucking asshole.
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HE TRAINS FOR "STRONGMAN" YOU MIRROR ATHLETE.
I prefer to be a mirror "athlete" too. ;D
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That's great news, Matt. I've always thought you belong in a circus.
I'm not insulted, because you are probably correct.
To be fair, I did live in a circus for the past two years - with my countrymen terrified of a 99.9% survivable flu.
Hopefully that's behind me now, and I can just train hard and recover.
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Also does anyone else notice Matt has a strongman thread he also just started talking about his last oral cycle of anadrol and his plan to start something soon meanwhile he post a bunch of holier than though anti juice crap in this thread. Also 180lbs strongman division is about as much of a joke as 160lb bodybuilding. If he was actually training for strongman he would be eating and putting on weight not 180lbs talking shit about how anyone bigger is abusing gear. Has anyone else ever even heard of a 180lbs strongman division fuck no strongmen are 250lbs plus
Honestly, B. Hank - I don't mean to be critical of bodybuilding. I'm just saying - for your average gym rat who doesn't want to run a lot of gear, do you really think there is much potential to gain muscle?
Who is REALLY the top natural?
Even the men's physique competitors are not natural.
But I've always found I could get stronger without eating tons of food, and without running anything - I mean, other than a handful of wimpy cycles over the years.
I would like to run some now though.
What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?
Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?
I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.
What do you say?
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HEY WHAT THE FUCK....WHERE ARE THE FOUR LAST PLACE MEDALS? LOL ;D
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I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong. Guys a prick.
Speaking of gym interactions:
In the gym yesterday. Doing legs. Finished up on squats. Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.
I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.
So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.
So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....
He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction. They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."
The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head. I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something. But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.
I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.
Fucking asshole.
You should have hedbutted the fag.
PINDICK OF PEACE LOL ;D
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I think Matt has some depression going on and is no longer sexual.
If the guy telling you not to put the dumbells on the bench wasn't an owner or worker then it's probably poor gym etiquette on his part. unless there are signs posted or some way to know I'd consider it a bit rude to receive unsolicited advice like that. But I do think it can damage the upholstery.
Thank you.
It turned out that he was mad because he helped fix the bench - in the picture below, a 110-lb dumbbell dropped for over five feet and hit the portion circled in red in the photo below.
Do you know how he "fixed" it - by screwing two screws where you see the yellow dots are in this photo.
Lol, how would that fix it, by putting screws in AFTER the crack?
But he's a welder or an iron worker - not a carpenter. So that explains that one, maybe.
Ultimately, he was emotionally invested, because he had attempted to fix the broken bench. But I really don't think my resting 2x 110-lb dumbbells side by side on the bench was the cause of the problems.
And no - he wasn't the owner! I will ask the owner what he thinks about it.
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I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong. Guys a prick.
Speaking of gym interactions:
In the gym yesterday. Doing legs. Finished up on squats. Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.
I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.
So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.
So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....
He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction. They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."
The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head. I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something. But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.
I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.
Fucking asshole.
That’s no way to treat Shizzo…
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Matt, i think you have some sort of personality disorder Specifically, Paranoid personality disorder (PPD)
Believing everyone is out to get you or has an agenda against you.
it's basic gym 101 and i have trained at some goods gyms Bevs, Strong and Shapley, Binous, Montanari Bros, Golds to name a few)
Its equivalent to the morons doing DB rows and resting the weight on the bench in-between sets,
Yes! Almost exactly like that.
And I don't think the dude meant it personally - but you are right, that I am like that.
So was it way out of line, in your view?
I honestly felt the bench could take it. I hadn't thought about the upholstery. But hey - if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I want to correct this in the future, if I am wrong.
I don't want to be "that guy" at the gym.
One Black dude at my gym, does a drop-set with dumbbell curls, and lines them all up on a bench to grab them for his sets, lol. He's always talking on his wireless Bluetooth as well, lol. But he's a nice enough guy.
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I skimmed your original post and nothing else. Fortress is busy …
Perhaps put ‘em on the floor, yeah, but having said this, you should have told the tosser to get fucked. If he pushed the routine, shove him so hard he breaks bones impacting with whatever is behind him.
I did somewhat loudly explain to him that the end of the bench cracked because a heavy dumbbell FELL on it from over five feet.
That's a far cry from simply resting them there for a minute between sets.
However, if the Getbig consensus says I'm wrong, I'll accept that.
I actually initially got worked up a bit explaining how the original crack in the bench happened that I later went to apologize to him for it.
And OK OK OK, I'll admit it:
It was ME who cracked the bench when I did a 110-lb Circus Dumbbell. I dropped it back on the ground, and it just hit the bench.
I decided to make it up to the gym owner by buying a new bench for the gym.
But it was NOT from the dumbbells just RESTING on the bench - the 110-lb dumbbell fell from quite a height.
So this was my fault.
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Gym rules I believe in
Re rack your dumbbells and plates
Don’t drop dumbbells
Don’t scream and yell unless legit heavy weight
Don’t shadowbox if not a fighter
Don’t talk on cellphone
Don’t dance and sing your stupid ass rap music
Don’t lift near me
Don’t sit on equipment and not use it
I hate doing that...
I generally don't, even if it means holding back a rep on flat bench dumbbell presses. I have done it before, and it may happen again, but I'm mindful of that one.
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I would like to run some now though.
What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?
Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?
I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.
What do you say?
Think about this. Your proposed set-up is common but set-up that way your cycle is much heavier the first four weeks. It makes no sense, as you start gaining your results slow down and that's when you should increase the dosage, not at the start. Sustanon doesn't take weeks to "kick in" either. It kicks in immediately. I would do the Anadrol for the whole 3 months, why not. If you're going to do one cycle and then be off for years again. Alternatively do it at the end of your cycle. I would go like this: 250 Sust + 25 drol for say a month. Then if everything is fine and you "need" more double both until gains slow down again.
A 12 weeks cycle will work but it's really really short if you want real gains and especially want to hone in your strongman technique with your superman physiology. That's not a whole lot of workouts. 12 weeks is when things just start to get good.
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Think about this. Your proposed set-up is common but set-up that way your cycle is much heavier the first four weeks. It makes no sense, as you start gaining your results slow down and that's when you should increase the dosage, not at the start. Sustanon doesn't take weeks to "kick in" either. It kicks in immediately. I would do the Anadrol for the whole 3 months, why not. If you're going to do one cycle and then be off for years again. Alternatively do it at the end of your cycle. I would go like this: 250 Sust + 25 drol for say a month. Then if everything is fine and you "need" more double both until gains slow down again.
A 12 weeks cycle will work but it's really really short if you want real gains and especially want to hone in your strongman technique with your superman physiology. That's not a whole lot of workouts. 12 weeks is when things just start to get good.
You know what, Van - you should advise me on this. I mean, if you wouldn't mind, and have the time. And you would have my personal assurance [for what that's worth] that I will follow everything to the letter.
It could be a sort of Getbig transformation project, with me under your tutelage! :)
It wouldn't be a lot of advising on diet - just give me macro targets to reach every day, and I'll meet those targets.
If after four weeks, I've made gains from my current physique, you will know I'm serious about respecting your coaching.
From what you're saying about Anadrol, three months on it is ok? I was concerned about hepatotoxicity.
I don't drink alcohol, so my liver would not be taxed anywhere else.
My diet is currently good in terms of macros - but I'm so low in calories, that I am actually slightly in ketosis [ketones in your urine mean ketosis, right?].
I have not used any gear since those two 3-week 12.5mg daily Anadrol cycles from 2016.
So I've been fully off everything for 5.5 years now.
This is a photo of me from yesterday:
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I did somewhat loudly explain to him that the end of the bench cracked because a heavy dumbbell FELL on it from over five feet.
That's a far cry from simply resting them there for a minute between sets.
However, if the Getbig consensus says I'm wrong, I'll accept that.
I actually initially got worked up a bit explaining how the original crack in the bench happened that I later went to apologize to him for it.
And OK OK OK, I'll admit it:
It was ME who cracked the bench when I did a 110-lb Circus Dumbbell. I dropped it back on the ground, and it just hit the bench.
I decided to make it up to the gym owner by buying a new bench for the gym.
But it was NOT from the dumbbells just RESTING on the bench - the 110-lb dumbbell fell from quite a height.
So this was my fault.
;D ;D ;D
Wait if you're the one who broke the bench in the first place and the guy giving you unsolicited advice is the one who tried to fix the bench then yes I think it kinda changes things 😆
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I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong. Guys a prick.
Speaking of gym interactions:
In the gym yesterday. Doing legs. Finished up on squats. Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.
I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.
So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.
Haha - I'm like that ALL the time. Replaying everything in my head. That's why I absolutely CANNOT smoke THC. It totally traps me in my mind every time. Even MORE than I'm normally trapped in my head...
So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....
He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction. They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."
The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head. I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something. But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.
I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.
Fucking asshole.
Hahahaha - man, I think that takes some balls to go up to someone who OBVIOUSLY knows what they are doing in the gym, and to tell them what to do like that. Especially when you weren't even doing anything wrong.
By and large - I just mind my own business in the gym!
Unless I saw someone clearly using form that could hyper-extend his back or something, I wouldn't say anything.
As for my legs - they have been coming up.
My goal is to gradually build up to doing the max weight that my leg press can hold. I would like to do 10 plates per side [900-lb + the weight of the sled, which would be about 1,000-lb] for at least a few reps.
So far I just got to 7 plates per side, and should be at 8 plates per side within a month - then just gradually get to 10 per side over the course of the next few months after that.
This particular leg press is a lot heavier than most I've seen - it's just a very steep press, but I think I will max it out before the end of the year.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdrOfeWAutO/
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Hanky`s a knob....Matt isn`t my favorite poster cuz every post he makes reads like "War And Peace" but he`s a good guy who bothers no one and this asshole who uses the pink dumbells has the audacity and outright balls to question his power and form when he`d have a helluva` time even deadlifting those dumbells and may even possibly fail if he did try.
What a fucking complete and total asshole.
Thanks wes.
I hate that I can't get a grip on my long posts.
They need to stop.
But you are absolutely right - I am a big fan of most everyone on Getbig with scant exceptions, and I would like to bother no one here.
Getbig is a really solid board, and I want to contribute positively here.
Maybe if I focus on a cycle, and keep most of my posts/updates in that thread, it will reduce my post count elsewhere.
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Matt is a strong mother.
Respect.
Thanks IroNat!
There are a couple of good u-80kg competitors in Canada, but last year's 3rd place winner, I had beaten him twice before, both times we competed.
I hate to talk in terms of What It's, but that 3rd place podium spot could have been mine, but I didn't want to compete with the insane pandemic contest rules - where competitors had to wait in their cars between sets, and compete one athlete at a time. It just sounded like a drag.
Franky, I'd be fine just qualifying for Nationals and making the top 10. Although it only takes one injury to throw me off, and if I won't be competing until next year, there's no reason to push it.
I'm just looking forward to getting my strength back to my previous level, and hopefully exceeding that before I get too old. I feel I have a few good years left.
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They say one of the advantages of dumbells is you get a longer range of motion compared to barbells. The opposite is true, with heavy dumbells you don't get very far down because the dumbell hits your body. You probably get 30% shorter range with dumbells.
There is really no such thing as full range reps as in training the muscle through its full potential range. Most exercises do not allow it. Nor do you have to train through the full range. Many of these pros lower a bar to 2 or 3 inches off the chest only and this can save your delts and pecs over time.
If I had healthy pecs (I haven't pressed anything heavy in more than 20 years), I would also angle my elbows in a bit on dumbell presses. Doesn't reduce pec activation and doesn't put the pec in as vulnerable a position.
Strongman is very dangerous. The whole idea is to cheat as much as possible within the rules, not train a muscle through it's full range
When I was 15 I was told that I was going to pay for lifting so heavy. As a kid you don't think about it. And I paid of course.
Lots of tears and now at 40+ I start to notice the knees, the hips, the shoulders, which I never had problems with for the longest time. The latest injury was a bicep tear but I didn't hurt it at the gym. I've been so paranoid and careful not to tear a bicep for decades and it still happened.
Just some rambling thoughts.
Good post Van. I agree re: heavy dumbbells and ROM.
At 41 my hips are a bit fucked up but everything else feels good so far. I rarely do a set of less than five reps.
MattC trains strongman I believe, he is not a bodybuilder.
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Honestly, B. Hank - I don't mean to be critical of bodybuilding. I'm just saying - for your average gym rat who doesn't want to run a lot of gear, do you really think there is much potential to gain muscle?
Who is REALLY the top natural?
Even the men's physique competitors are not natural.
But I've always found I could get stronger without eating tons of food, and without running anything - I mean, other than a handful of wimpy cycles over the years.
I would like to run some now though.
What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?
Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?
I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.
What do you say?
You are not natural to begin with you get no extra credit for how little you use fucking stop wasting your last few athletic years debating and fucking do it already. You seem to think bodybuilding is all about gear and you are just going to blow up into a 3000lb monster so go ahead and fucking try it already you are not getting any younger
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;D ;D ;D
Wait if you're the one who broke the bench in the first place and the guy giving you unsolicited advice is the one who tried to fix the bench then yes I think it kinda changes things 😆
Fuck yes that changes things
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Good post Van. I agree re: heavy dumbbells and ROM.
At 41 my hips are a bit fucked up but everything else feels good so far. I rarely do a set of less than five reps.
MattC trains strongman I believe, he is not a bodybuilder.
Yep!
The distinction in training may be subtle - but it's there.
I feel like it's just not in my nature to train in a refined way - which both bodybuilders and powerlifters do in different ways. Whereas strongman training and competition is basically just - lift thinks up and put things down.
One way or another, after years of training with more than imperfect form, I still have some good numbers.
My strongest static three lifts would have been around 315/405/495 for bench/squat/deadlift, but I'd rather do 450-lb for a few ugly reps or a 550-lb trap bar or equivalent side-handle car deadlift for a few hitched reps with straps than to do a refined powerlifting meet with chalk and a belt with perfect form.
I like the "just complete the damn lift" element of strongman.
It's also interesting to me that some bodybuilders, strongmen, and powerlifters can switch over to one of the other two, but that people tend to be "designed" for one best, and not usually two of them, or all three.
For example, I have a very low density of muscle fiber, and aside from my delts [and maybe triceps], nothing on me grows very well. I have short biceps insertions, high lats, basically no inner quads...I would have never had any success in bodybuilding, even if I did juice.
But for the u-80kg strongman category, I have done well, and - I honestly do think I could be top 10 in the 2022 Canadian u-80kg Nationals.
Basically, I can say - I'm competitive in my weight class. There are plenty of guys who can do 100-lb or 105-lb dumbbells for seated dumbbell press - but among the 176-lb'ers, it's much more rare.
Although maybe I might want to bring up my body weight, just to see how things are, and what I can do at 90kg [~200-lb]. I was a bit heavier for this contest, and found those 250-lb Farmer implements much easier to pick up than when I'm 170:
It's a trade-off...but I think I do my best competitive work as a lightweight, as my pound for pound strength is best there.
I don't and won't claim I'm the strongest guy around - but I am competitive in the light class, and it's also a health choice. Though now that my doctor is saying I should eat more to reverse my hypothyroidism, maybe I'll do a bulk to 200, just to see where the chips fall. :)
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Fuck yes that changes things
Yes, but I replaced the bench, and...he didn't know it was me who broke it.
I think I did the right thing to replace it, and this was months ago, and like I said - he didn't know.
And it broke from dropping the 110-lb dumbbell when I was doing reps with one-arm CDB presses. It didn't break just from dumbbells sitting on it.
Honestly, if my gym wasn't so cramped, it wouldn't have happened, but it's my fault for going for another rep that I thought I could get, but ended up dropping it.
My bad!
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Matt if you do this light test and Anadrol cycle by all means do a log so we can follow your results. I think this would be very interesting.
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Yep!
The distinction in training may be subtle - but it's there.
I feel like it's just not in my nature to train in a refined way - which both bodybuilders and powerlifters do in different ways. Whereas strongman training and competition is basically just - lift thinks up and put things down.
One way or another, after years of training with more than imperfect form, I still have some good numbers.
My strongest static three lifts would have been around 314/405/495 for bench/squat/deadlift, but I'd rather do 450-lb for a few ugly reps or a 550-lb trap bar or equivalent side-handle car deadlift for a few hitched reps with straps than to do a refined powerlifting meet with chalk and a belt with perfect form.
I like the "just complete the damn lift" element of strongman competition.
It's also interesting to me that some bodybuilders, strongmen, and powerlifters can switch over to one of the other two, but that people tend to be "designed" for one best, and not usually two of them, or all three.
For example, I have a very low density of muscle fiber, and aside from my delts [and maybe triceps], nothing on me grows very well. I have short biceps insertions, high lats, basically no inner quads...I would have never had any success in bodybuilding, even if I did juice.
But for the u-80kg strongman category, I have done well, and - I honestly do think I could be top 10 in the 2022 Canadian u-80kg Nationals.
Basically, I can say - I'm competitive in my weight class. There are plenty of guys who can do 100-lb or 105-lb dumbbells for seated dumbbell press - but among the 176-lb'ers, it's much more rare.
Although maybe I might want to bring up my body weight, just to see how things are, and what I can do at 90kg [~200-lb]. I was a bit heavier for this contest, and found those 250-lb Farmer implements much easier to pick up then when I'm 170:
It's a trade-off...but I think I do my best competitive work as a lightweight, as my pound for pound strength is best there.
I don't and won't claim I'm the strongest guy around - but I am competitive in the light class, and it's also a health choice. Though now that my doctor is saying I should eat more to reverse my hypothyroidism, maybe I'll do a bulk to 200, just to see where the chips fall. :)
Your pound for pound strength is always going to be higher at a lower weight but so fucking what better to be absolutely stronger who wants to be the strongest 150lb dude vs being a strong 250lb dude you say you want to cycle then you say you dont want to gain any weight and be top 10 in the 170lb class next year then you say you are going to bulk to 200 and need more calories to stop your hypothyoridism that you dont have stop the bullshit. If getting to 200 was so easy you would be there now. Stop being a damn chic with an eating disorder and start eating already
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Matt if you do this light test and Anadrol cycle by all means do a log so we can follow your results. I think this would be very interesting.
You know, Cook - you are absolutely right.
Maybe if I do that cycle, after things are kicking in enough to show visually at the 4-week mark, I could start the thread - that way I know I'm committed to following through with it, instead of changing my mind a few weeks in.
I think I am owed a proper cycle - I spent all these years barely ever juicing, just due to hypochondria, and now I realize I could have benefitted from doing regular cycles, without pushing it too far, and still have been healthy.
If Van Bilderass could advise me, that would be great. My receptors are very fresh, and I am certain I could make "newbie cycle gains", given how long it's been since I did anything at all, which was never that much.
I think it's a good idea, Cook - it would be an interesting Getbig project, and it would consolidate most of my posts in one thread, which could be a good thing for the board.
We should have more contests on Getbig. :)
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Your pound for pound strength is always going to be higher at a lower weight but so fucking what better to be absolutely stronger who wants to be the strongest 150lb dude vs being a strong 250lb dude you say you want to cycle then you say you dont want to gain any weight and be top 10 in the 170lb class next year then you say you are going to bulk to 200 and need more calories to stop your hypothyoridism that you dont have stop the bullshit. If getting to 200 was so easy you would be there now. Stop being a damn chic with an eating disorder and start eating already
Well - it was also a health decision to stay within range of an optimal BMI.
Am I not considered to have hypothyroidism?
My TSH is 4.66, and the normal range is 0.32 to 4.00 mIU/L.
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Well - it was also a health decision to stay within range of an optimal BMI.
Am I not considered to have hypothyroidism?
My TSH is 4.66, and the normal range is 0.32 to 4.00 mIU/L.
Fuck no you didnt even get a full thyroid panel done you claim to eat 1200 calories a day of course that slows your metabolism my T4 is low again sign of hypothroidism but my TSH is also low as well there are lile half a dozen different thyorid markers 3 or 4 of mine are out of range you check one and its barely out of range. You are fine. And you are crazy you spend half your time bashing gear on multiple platform for years and the orher half claiming you are going to start gear and blow up. For fuck sake do it already or shut up about it. Your bloodwork is fine and isnt going to be better at 50 the fuck you waiting for a sign from Jesus
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Fuck no you didnt even get a full thyroid panel done you claim to eat 1200 calories a day of course that slows your metabolism my T4 is low again sign of hypothroidism but my TSH is also low as well there are lile half a dozen different thyorid markers 3 or 4 of mine are out of range you check one and its barely out of range. You are fine. And you are crazy you spend half your time bashing gear on multiple platform for years and the orher half claiming you are going to start gear and blow up. For fuck sake do it already or shut up about it. Your bloodwork is fine and isnt going to be better at 50 the fuck you waiting for a sign from Jesus
I eat like a bird.
What are the other thyroid markers? I'll check my other numbers.
My Thyroxine was in the normal range.
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Fuck no you didnt even get a full thyroid panel done you claim to eat 1200 calories a day of course that slows your metabolism my T4 is low again sign of hypothroidism but my TSH is also low as well there are lile half a dozen different thyorid markers 3 or 4 of mine are out of range you check one and its barely out of range. You are fine. And you are crazy you spend half your time bashing gear on multiple platform for years and the orher half claiming you are going to start gear and blow up. For fuck sake do it already or shut up about it. Your bloodwork is fine and isnt going to be better at 50 the fuck you waiting for a sign from Jesus
I fear for my health though.
Not sure if I mentioned that in this page of this thread yet.
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I fear for my health though.
Not sure if I mentioned that in this page of this thread yet.
Yes only a million times meanwhile you mentioned your actual T levels were low. You are 40 years old why not just go in TRT with a Dr if you are worried about your health?
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Yes only a million times meanwhile you mentioned your actual T levels were low. You are 40 years old why not just go in TRT with a Dr if you are worried about your health?
Can you share your doctors information? This doctor That prescribes 500 mg a.k.a. a full cycle As trt?
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Yes only a million times meanwhile you mentioned your actual T levels were low. You are 40 years old why not just go in TRT with a Dr if you are worried about your health?
My doctor is fine with me going on TRT.
However, because my T is still in the normal range, I'm not sure if he is allowed to prescribe it. But I'm not certain about that!
I will be seeing him on Tuesday to get the requisition form for the autoimmune tests...what should I ask him?
FYI, he is a bit of an athlete himself, and always admired me when he was a teen and I was in my twenties doing local lifting comps.
So if he has any leeway to prescribe me test, he would do it.
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My doctor is fine with me going on TRT.
However, because my T is still in the normal range, I'm not sure if he is allowed to prescribe it. But I'm not certain about that!
I will be seeing him on Tuesday to get the requisition form for the autoimmune tests...what should I ask him?
FYI, he is a bit of an athlete himself, and always admired me when he was a teen and I was in my twenties doing local lifting comps.
So if he has any leeway to prescribe me test, he would do it.
Normal range is not the same as optimal what were your numbers?
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Can you share your doctors information? This doctor That prescribes 500 mg a.k.a. a full cycle As trt?
Doctors prescribe full cycle TRT?
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Normal range is not the same as optimal what were your numbers?
Low normal:
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Doctors prescribe full cycle TRT?
Hanky’s doctor does.
I’d have to find the post.
But his “doctor” prescribed him 500 mg of test a week plus anavar for a year.
Others can validate this.
He will deny it.
He is prob is seeing Dr Greg Valentino
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Low normal:
Where is the next page if converted that is a 516 T score with a 83 free which isnt too bad
https://weighttraining.nz/testosterone_calculator.php#:~:text=The%20conversion%20factors%20are%3A%201%20nmol%2Flitre%20%3D,28.85%20ng%2FdL%201%20pmol%2Flitre%20%3D%200.2885%20pg%2FmL
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You know what, Van - you should advise me on this. I mean, if you wouldn't mind, and have the time. And you would have my personal assurance [for what that's worth] that I will follow everything to the letter.
It could be a sort of Getbig transformation project, with me under your tutelage! :)
It wouldn't be a lot of advising on diet - just give me macro targets to reach every day, and I'll meet those targets.
If after four weeks, I've made gains from my current physique, you will know I'm serious about respecting your coaching.
From what you're saying about Anadrol, three months on it is ok? I was concerned about hepatotoxicity.
I don't drink alcohol, so my liver would not be taxed anywhere else.
My diet is currently good in terms of macros - but I'm so low in calories, that I am actually slightly in ketosis [ketones in your urine mean ketosis, right?].
I have not used any gear since those two 3-week 12.5mg daily Anadrol cycles from 2016.
So I've been fully off everything for 5.5 years now.
This is a photo of me from yesterday:
I would hesitate coaching someone outright. I can give my opinion sure, but directly putting someone on a stack... I don't know, there are always risks however small. I'd hate to be the one who made someone feel like crap. Like the Anadrol, I would say it pretty damn safe for 3 months if you're healthy. Outright liver problems are very rare. If something is considered so toxic that you should only use it for 4 weeks max then IMO it's too toxic to do at all. There is always a small risk so if you are really concerned and paranoid about the liver you might not want to do any orals at all. You can coach yourself, maybe consider some pointers from others that sound reasonable.
You could do a great transformation in 3 months though if you'd do a more substantial cycle than the ones you've done so far. It's like you are still a lifetime natural. By substantial I mean say a test base plus an oral for a few months instead of just an oral for 3 weeks or whatever.
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I would hesitate coaching someone outright. I can give my opinion sure, but directly putting someone on a stack... I don't know, there are always risks however small. I'd hate to be the one who made someone feel like crap. Like the Anadrol, I would say it pretty damn safe for 3 months if you're healthy. Outright liver problems are very rare. If something is considered so toxic that you should only use it for 4 weeks max then IMO it's too toxic to do at all. There is always a small risk so if you are really concerned and paranoid about the liver you might not want to do any orals at all. You can coach yourself, maybe consider some pointers from others that sound reasonable.
You could do a great transformation in 3 months though if you'd do a more substantial cycle than the ones you've done so far. It's like you are still a lifetime natural. By substantial I mean say a test base plus an oral for a few months instead of just an oral for 3 weeks or whatever.
Ok - you got it, Van.
So basically do a standard Sustanon cycle - is that 500mg weekly...or 750mg?
And then do 25mg of Anadrol for the first month, and then depending on how things go, I can go 50mg for the next two months?
But you said a 12-week [3-month] cycle is a little on the short side.
How many weeks do you recommend?
In some respects, I am similar to a lifetime natural - I've done 2x 12 week proper cycles [with testosterone as a base] with Dianabol for the first month, and one eight week cycle like that, which I had to cut off after eight weeks, due to coming down with bacterial pneumonia [I'm not sure if the pneumonia and being on-cycle were related].
Here is my full steroid history [all bases are 500mg weekly]:
2004: 12 weeks Sustanon, with 25mg Dianabol daily for four weeks.
2005: 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate, same Dbol as above.
2006: 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate, same Dbol as above, but with an added 250mg of EQ weekly alongside the test.
^ That 2006 cycle had to be cut off due to coming down with bacterial pneumonia eight weeks in.
The first pictures are the before-before pictures from the first cycle, and after.
Once university ended in April of 2004, I had dropped to 155-lb. I bulked up naturally to 170-lb by June of 2004, and that first test/Dbol cycle got me to 187-lb. What's missing is the second before picture, at 170, immediately before starting the 2004 cycle, from the pre-bulk I did to get to my normal 170-lb weight, which I'm almost always around:
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And this notorious photo of me from around the board is from my 2006 cycle, at 193-lb:
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This one is from around 2014, when I bulked up to 200-lb, naturally. As you can see, my waist is wider, having bulked up naturally.
Other than the cycles above, I've done maybe 5x 1-month wimpy oral-only cycles from my last real cycle in 2006, through to 2016, and nothing since 2016 [December]. By nothing, I mean nothing - including OTC supplements [even pre-workouts, for that matter].
The second photo is at 170-lb, and roughly how I always look:
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Yes, Matt, by all means, slam some anadrol for some contest nobody will remember a week after it's over.
Totally worth it.
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In 1950-1 Reg Park wanted to be the strongest man ever and also have the best physique. He soon learned that he couldn't be both so selected bodybuilding. Matt wants to do well at strongman events. Okay, then do that. However, it is a pipedream to want to get bigger without bulking up. You don't need chemical assistance. You must eat substantially more. You have this goal of lifting heavy weights for so many reps instead of trying to get bigger. From looking at your physique you have well developed shoulders. What often happens with some bodybuilders is that dominant muscles are used for most of the exercises say for upper body. Thus, arms and other parts will not get stimulated enough to grow. Barbells might not isolate the target muscles sufficiently or effectively so you have to use machines to do that. The goal when training each muscle is to get that muscle sore the next day...if possible. Well, if you can get them sore they will and should grow as long as you eat enough and rest sufficiently. Try bodybuilding for a few months and forget about doing less that 10 reps on anything. Work up to your max for 10 reps then do 5 sets with that weight. That should stimulate growth if the exercise is effective. All that cheating is not going to work for guys like you. Forget trying to impress others in the gym or on the internet. Believe you can get your arms an inch bigger, then when you have succeeded you will believe more size is possible. Don't accept that your other body parts can't grow. It is your goals, training style, tools and protocols that are limiting you. Arthur Jones said to forget about demonstrating your strength.
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Yes, Matt, by all means, slam some anadrol for some contest nobody will remember a week after it's over.
Totally worth it.
You've never done a cycle just to look better / feel better, Grape?
Honestly, I was in a pit of despair throughout the plandemic joke with the gyms closed, and I've been going 4-5-6 days a week since being legally allowed back.
My lifts are all coming up, though have not matched my previous bests yet [bench = 285, and I have benched 345 before, and 320 in contest, and I can usually bench 325 for 2-4].
But each workout, I'm adding to those lifts, with no plateaus left.
I wanted to get all my strength back and THEN add juice, but...I just want to look good for the summer, and forget about the past miserable two years.
You don't see any value in running a cycle, Grape?
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In 1950-1 Reg Park wanted to be the strongest man ever and also have the best physique. He soon learned that he couldn't be both so selected bodybuilding. Matt wants to do well at strongman events. Okay, then do that. However, it is a pipedream to want to get bigger without bulking up. You don't need chemical assistance. You must eat substantially more. You have this goal of lifting heavy weights for so many reps instead of trying to get bigger. From looking at your physique you have well developed shoulders. What often happens with some bodybuilders is that dominant muscles are used for most of the exercises say for upper body. Thus, arms and other parts will not get stimulated enough to grow. Barbells might not isolate the target muscles sufficiently or effectively so you have to use machines to do that. The goal when training each muscle is to get that muscle sore the next day...if possible. Well, if you can get them sore they will and should grow as long as you eat enough and rest sufficiently. Try bodybuilding for a few months and forget about doing less that 10 reps on anything. Work up to your max for 10 reps then do 5 sets with that weight. That should stimulate growth if the exercise is effective. All that cheating is not going to work for guys like you. Forget trying to impress others in the gym or on the internet. Believe you can get your arms an inch bigger, then when you have succeeded you will believe more size is possible. Don't accept that your other body parts can't grow. It is your goals, training style, tools and protocols that are limiting you. Arthur Jones said to forget about demonstrating your strength.
Very true, Vince - you cannot have both!
But as the plandemic joke rules for contests are still in place, and since I'm still not at my strongest, I think I'll just take the contest season off, and compete in 2023.
By then, I should be at my max strength again, if not even a little bit stronger.
And I won't have to worry about making weight = 80kg / 176.3-lb, but they give you a 3-lb weight allowance for clothes, so I can weigh 179. It's a 2-hour weigh-in.
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And yes...I need to eat more.
I think I'll start at 1,800 calories [200g protein, 150g carbs, 45g fats] to start, then go from there.
I consistently eat 1,200 calories a day, if not less. My doctor told me to eat more to reverse my slow thyroid.
I'd be curious to see how this turns out. If the gear is good quality, and my nutrition is on point - I'm quite confident that the outcome will be good! :)
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This was my LAST cycle ever:
December 2016: 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 21 days.
My body weight stayed at 170, as I didn't eat more for this cycle [because it was just a wimpy oral cycle]. But this is exactly how I wish I could look all the time - but whenever I cut body fat, I lose proportionally too much muscle.
I don't want to gain a massive amount of weight - I just want to be a little fuller and harder, while being roughly the same size.
This 170 is much better than my normal 170 - again, just a little fuller and harder, yet I find it hard to do this...meanwhile, this was the result of 5x 50mg Anadrol pills [half a pill every SECOND DAY, for three weeks only].
I think anyone saying PED's are just the finishing touch are full of it.
I hate that the look I want is EASILY attainable on gear, yet nearly impossible for me to attain off MINIMAL gear.
If I do this, it will just be a one and done thing [at least for a few years]. I just want a good few months of looking like I train as hard and as consistently as I do.
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This should fix your gym etiquiquette issues (11:10)
This was my LAST cycle ever:
December 2016: 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 21 days.
My body weight stayed at 170, as I didn't eat more for this cycle [because it was just a wimpy oral cycle]. But this is exactly how I wish I could look all the time - but whenever I cut body fat, I lose proportionally too much muscle.
I don't want to gain a massive amount of weight - I just want to be a little fuller and harder, while being roughly the same size.
Don't worry; YOU WON'T!!
This 170 is much better than my normal 170 - again, just a little fuller and harder, yet I find it hard to do this...meanwhile, this was the result of 5x 50mg Anadrol pills [half a pill every SECOND DAY, for three weeks only].
I think anyone saying PED's are just the finishing touch are full of it.
I hate that the look I want is EASILY attainable on gear, yet nearly impossible for me to attain off MINIMAL gear.
If I do this, it will just be a one and done thing [at least for a few years]. I just want a good few months of looking like I train as hard and as consistently as I do.
I don't care what you take, you ain't growing on 1800 calories. And you don't need steroids to achieve the look you want, either.
Why risk your health unnecessarily? If you're losing too much muscle, it has little to do with the presence or absence of drugs. You're not losing weight gradually. You dropped your calories too low and/or too quickly and gave yourself too little time to lose body fat.
I know from personal experience. When I did that, I not only got smaller and weaker; but I ended up with a HIGHER percentage of bodyfat. Take your time and make high-protein, high nutrient foods your top priority. You'll get it right and be a lot healthier for it.
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This should fix your gym etiquiquette issues (11:10)
Don't worry; YOU WON'T!!
I don't care what you take, you ain't growing on 1800 calories. And you don't need steroids to achieve the look you want, either.
Why risk your health unnecessarily? If you're losing too much muscle, it has little to do with the presence or absence of drugs. You're not losing weight gradually. You dropped your calories too low and/or too quickly and gave yourself too little time to lose body fat.
I know from personal experience. When I did that, I not only got smaller and weaker; but I ended up with a HIGHER percentage of bodyfat. Take your time and make high-protein, high nutrient foods your top priority. You'll get it right and be a lot healthier for it.
Define "growing"?
I would like to be a little fuller and harder, and I have WAY TOO MUCH EXPERIENCE drug-free to know that natural bodybuilding GOES NOWHERE.
Frank Zane is my height and he was 185-lb while on a boatload of gear.
My goal would just be for my training to be more productive.
And I will make improvements on 1,800 calories daily. But whether I'm at 1,800 or 3,600 daily, I will tell you this for free:
I could follow that exact diet for three months, and get bigger - FATTER - and much stronger, but I would rather make my time in the gym + my calories produce a better outcome.
I'd be doing what I am already doing - just adding PEDs and increasing calories.
What I would like is a STEROID look - not to necessarily be much bigger in terms of body weight, but to be harder and fuller, which I will be.
If I train all summer, even on increased calories, it won't be a look that will wow me - I'll just go back to 200-lb again with a 35" waist as seen in my 200-lb natural photo above.
I want to gain LEAN MUSCLE - I'd rather gain 5-lb of actual muscle than do it naturally, and gain that same 5-lb in addition to more body fat.
Why does ANYONE use PED's, MCWAY?
Lol @ gaining muscle naturally. Utter nonsense.
How big is the top 5'10" natural bodybuilder? Even 180-lb?
I have NO INTEREST in eating 4-6K calories daily and bulk to 220 or something. I just want to increase calories and protein, and take PED's, and look better than I ever have.
Which - I will guarantee you - I will look better than I ever have. Even if in the end, I'm 185-lb.
Although given my thyroid is slow, maybe it's time to stop being 175, and walk around at 190.
I'm just looking to go on a cycle, and with the much faster and more efficient results, be motivated to eat the protein required for gains.
If I like it - and if my health tests are good, I would be willing to consider ramping up my daily caloric intake, and give up my obsession with being in the 170's. I don't eat more because I don't want to compromise my health. And because I compete at u-80kg.
I just want the boost in progress.
I feel I am owed a good cycle - I've also talked about it a lot, and I'd like to do it.
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Why risk your health unnecessarily?
I've asked myself that for YEARS, MCWAY.
And that's why I'm finally doing this. I'm willing to take the health risks associated with a beginner/intermediate PED stack in order to look better, and feel better about myself.
I want to feel alive again - doing this might snap me out of the bummer phase I've been in for years now.
I don't think one cycle would massively throw off my health.
I wouldn't be doing a cutting cycle, as I think that would be riskier to health in general.
Just a standard lean mass bulking cycle.
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The owner of one of the most hardcore gyms in New England DOESNOT take kindly...
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lightningfitness860
Pretty sad I have to post this since all of you have read this in the rules when you signed up. There will now be a fine if you put your drink, or weights on a bench. I'm tired of having to remind you all. I don't care what other gyms do. You want to train here then you follow the rules. Also put a fucking crash mat down if you have to drop dumbbells. If you bend a dumbbell you will buy me a new one. There's literally a sign in front of your face
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The owner of one of the most hardcore gyms in New England DOESNOT take kindly...
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lightningfitness860
Pretty sad I have to post this since all of you have read this in the rules when you signed up. There will now be a fine if you put your drink, or weights on a bench. I'm tired of having to remind you all. I don't care what other gyms do. You want to train here then you follow the rules. Also put a fucking crash mat down if you have to drop dumbbells. If you bend a dumbbell you will buy me a new one. There's literally a sign in front of your face
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I was wondering about drinks. I had a Rockstar Energy drink with me for my last workout, and I am very cautious with where I place my things - especially open drinks when I occasionally have them. I guess they must have enough people spilling drinks that this is a problem for them.
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B. Hank:
What makes you think I won't be able to get the 120's for reps with clean form?
Here is a pic of me doing seated dumbbell presses with 100-lb dumbbells:
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B. Hank:
What makes you think I don't be able to get the 120's for reps with clean form?
Here is a pic of me doing seated dumbbell presses with 100-lb dumbbells:
Because you have no idea what clean form means
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Because you have no idea what clean form means
B. Hank,
IMO, if you consider the number of reps I do, it stands to reason that I would still be able to do reps with clean form, even if I end up getting fewer of them.
I will reach 8-12 clean reps with the 120-lb dumbbells within one month, without any supplements or PEDs.
I am basically certain I will be able to get the 120's for 15+ reps on PED's.
But eight clean ones in a month with no such assistance - no problem.
I'm just glad that I get to make gains in strength from workout to workout now thanks to muscle memory. I have a ways to go before I get back all my pre-pandemic strength, and will hopefully break new ground after that - especially with chemical assistance.
I admit, my form sucks - but that was the first time I touched the 120-lb dumbbells in over two years.
Even by next workout [next week], I'll be able to get the 110's for eight clean reps. The 120's will only be a hop, skip, and a jump from there.
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Because you have no idea what clean form means
My max bench press ever was 315x8 at 190-lb, and 315x6 at 170-lb.
My max contest bench was 320-lb at 170.
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Because you have no idea what clean form means
And you have no idea of the meaning of training hard,intense,and heavy which is a relative term for an all out effort for any amount of a rep goal you may have in your peanut sized brain................... .....WEAKLING.
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And you have no idea of the meaning of training hard,intense,and heavy which is a relative term for an all out effort for any amount of a rep goal you may have in your peanut sized brain................... .....WEAKLING.
wes,
I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.
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wes,
I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.
Matt that may well be it, but it`s more likely that he`s just a jealous asshole who thinks he`s better than anyone on the planet that ever worked out but........... EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY......I believe him to be jealous of you because you can bench far more than he can even half squat.
He`s the last person here that should be dispensing training advice at all, especially when it comes to training heavy since his pink dumbells are simply tools to require the end result which in his case is to look like hammered shit but to stay lean eating Happy Meals,soda,pizza, and cookies as the staples of his "diet" along with copious amounts of Growth Hormone a steady half gram of Test all year long,anavar,and MDMA just to relax his empty headed narcissitic mind and who knows what he`s taking that he hasn`t admitted to yet?
He`s destined to someday be a huge bodybuilding star following this strict, rigid,and demanding regimen......what an inspiration he is, and the board should be extremely grateful to have someone of his caliber among us mere peons......I know I am.
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wes,
I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.
Not mad at anything actually trying to help your retarded ass. Weights are tools to train your muscles not goals. You look like you are humping the sky on your 25 rep bench yes I have done 25 reps with 225 fuck no I didn't hump the sky while doing it. And the fuck are you in spandex shorts for??? Also just tired of you ranting against PEDS then planning to use PEDS then being a pussy and ranting against them again. Just fucking do it already or shut up about it you have admitted to half a dozen cycles then want to claim natural and rant against PEDS then rant about how great you will be when you get back on them it's insane either do it or don't stop fucking asking X GIRLFRIENDS if they will take you back when you start like a loon. Stop thinking you are going to be the worlds strongest 170lb man while simultaneously getting to 200lbs on PEDS then showing pics from a decade ago and ranting about PEDS again. Live today do it today or don't
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Not mad at anything actually trying to help your retarded ass. Weights are tools to train your muscles not goals. You look like you are humping the sky on your 25 rep bench yes I have done 25 reps with 225 fuck no I didn't hump the sky while doing it. And the fuck are you in spandex shorts for??? Also just tired of you ranting against PEDS then planning to use PEDS then being a pussy and ranting against them again. Just fucking do it already or shut up about it you have admitted to half a dozen cycles then want to claim natural and rant against PEDS then rant about how great you will be when you get back on them it's insane either do it or don't stop fucking asking X GIRLFRIENDS if they will take you back when you start like a loon. Stop thinking you are going to be the worlds strongest 170lb man while simultaneously getting to 200lbs on PEDS then showing pics from a decade ago and ranting about PEDS again. Live today do it today or don't
He benched 225 for 25 pretty damn good reps while you cant even squat that for ten reps below paralell.
Here`s one for you Brian....I did 20 rep squats all below paralell with 225,immediately followed by my first time ever doing one complete ass to the grass rep with 315 all at a bodyweight of under a buck and a half back in the late 70`s.
You should not be giving advige to one of the strongest men in his weight class in the entire city of Thunder Bay Canada when you cannot even come close to doing what I did eons ago on the squat with just some knee wraps, a four inch wide belt, and some chalk.....and my leg were like sticks but I was a strong little bastard and always had the strongest bench in my class when I was a powerlifter with a legit two second pause at the chest or longer....you cant even do this TODAY at a supposed yet fabricated weight of two thirty.
So you see my little yellow friend taking bodyweight in this case doesn`t even come into consideration when normally I would say it always should.
Try doing some of Mattys tire flips billy bad ass.......it would be laughable.
Stick to the "tools" of your trade aka the pink dumbells and leave the heavy weights to real men.
TRAIN HARD.....yeah right. LOL ;D
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He benched 225 for 25 pretty damn good reps while you cant even squat that for ten reps below paralell.
Here`s one for you Brian....I did 20 rep squats all below paralell with 225,immediately followed by my first time ever doing one complete ass to the grass rep with 315 all at a bodyweight if under a buck and a half back in the late 70`s.
You should not be giving advige to one of the strongest men in his weight class in the entire city of Thunder Bay Canada when you cannot even come close to doing what I did eons ago on the squat with just some knee wraps, a four inch wide belt, and some chalk.....and my leg were like sticks but I was a string little bastard and always had the strongest bench in my class when I was a powerlifter with a legit two second pause at the chest or longer....you cant even do this TODAY[/b} at a supposed yet fabricated weight of two thirty.
So you see my little yellow friend taking bodyweight in this case doesn`t even come into consideration when normally I would say it always should.
Try doing some of Mattys tire flips billy bad ass.......it would be laughable.
Stick to the "tools" of your trade aka the pink dumbells and leave the heavy weights to real men.
TRAIN HARD.....yeah right. LOL ;D
Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires
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Mentally unstable ^^
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You've never done a cycle just to look better / feel better, Grape?
Honestly, I was in a pit of despair throughout the plandemic joke with the gyms closed, and I've been going 4-5-6 days a week since being legally allowed back.
My lifts are all coming up, though have not matched my previous bests yet [bench = 285, and I have benched 345 before, and 320 in contest, and I can usually bench 325 for 2-4].
But each workout, I'm adding to those lifts, with no plateaus left.
I wanted to get all my strength back and THEN add juice, but...I just want to look good for the summer, and forget about the past miserable two years.
You don't see any value in running a cycle, Grape?
Never ran a cycle.
Not anti steroid at all if people want to do it. If my T levels were low, I'd consider TRT.
But for someone your age to do a potent cycle of a hardcore steroid for local contest is just idiocy in my opinion. You'll get strong, then lose it, and forever be chasing that time you were on drugs, which will lead to you doing it again.
Also, your brain on drugs that cause aggression and shit might not be the best combo.
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Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires
You have no desire at all....that`s your problem.
Who cares what you weigh when you look like re-fried dog shit?
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Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires
i thought you got off social media?
https://www.instagram.com/bhank103
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Because you have no idea what clean form means
This from a guy that claims his 3/4 rep squats are clean. ::)
I'm convinced you're just a cunt at this point in time.
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Not mad at anything actually trying to help you.
BITCH STOP LYING....YOU MADE THIS THREAD SO IT WOULD END UP BEING ALL ABOUT YOU PER USUAL ATTACKING A GUY WHO NEVER SAID BOO TO YOU.
You`re the TOOL not the weights.
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This from a guy that claims his 3/4 rep squats are clean. ::)
I'm convinced you're just a cunt at this point in time.
It took you this long to figure that out bro....you`re slipping in your old age unlike myself who just so happens to be in my prime. :D
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This from a guy that claims his 3/4 rep squats are clean. ::)
I'm convinced you're just a cunt at this point in time.
Bhanky, the official squat/form judge
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Ok - you got it, Van.
So basically do a standard Sustanon cycle - is that 500mg weekly...or 750mg?
And then do 25mg of Anadrol for the first month, and then depending on how things go, I can go 50mg for the next two months?
But you said a 12-week [3-month] cycle is a little on the short side.
How many weeks do you recommend?
You can do 12 weeks but you know how it is, it takes months of hammering lifts to make substantial gains. You can stop it at a predetermined time or you can keep it open, see how you feel and decide then. There maybe isn't a standard test dosage but 500mg seems to be the common newbie starting dose although many gurus advice starting at 200-300 to gauge effects. "NO rush." Duchaine advocated 750-1000 as the best first cycle, "nothing less will do," thought there was something about first cycles, no subsequent cycle would be as effective so you should make sure it's substantial.
If someone who was fairly new I would simply advice starting fairly conservative, do it in blocks, and raise dosages as needed. Or say you find out Anadrol doesn't agree with you, you can't eat and you have headaches and blood pressure spikes. So you swith to Turinabol or Anavar or whatever. But the logical thing is that the cycle gets heavier as you go along to keep making gains. That's why only front loading orals never made sense to me. Like I said, adding an oral for the last 4 weeks makes more sense, you are trying to squeeze everything out of a "cycle."
One of the main concerns to me, especially with my background, is injuries. With steroids you should be extra careful but that isn't easy when you feel strong. Some exercises are high risk, like wide grip benches but then you might need to do it if something like that is included in your sport.
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Never ran a cycle.
Not anti steroid at all if people want to do it. If my T levels were low, I'd consider TRT.
But for someone your age to do a potent cycle of a hardcore steroid for local contest is just idiocy in my opinion. You'll get strong, then lose it, and forever be chasing that time you were on drugs, which will lead to you doing it again.
Also, your brain on drugs that cause aggression and shit might not be the best combo.
It's hard to say when taking risks with drugs is worth it. But a local contest might be more emotionally important for one individual than the WSM is for another. There are lots of old lifters who maybe competed when young and then other things took presedence. You can see them posting their decades old pictures on FB or IG. Some even use them on their dating profiles decades later lol. It was important and it keeps being important in a way for the rest of their lives.
There are some who can switch gears and don't get emotionally addicted to PEDs. Matt seems to be one. Otherwise his first cycle might still be ongoing.
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It's hard to say when taking risks with drugs is worth it. But a local contest might be more emotionally important for one individual than the WSM is for another. There are lots of old lifters who maybe competed when young and then other things took presedence. You can see them posting their decades old pictures on FB or IG. Some even use them on their dating profiles decades later lol. It was important and it keeps being important in a way for the rest of their lives.
There are some who can switch gears and don't get emotionally addicted to PEDs. Matt seems to be one. Otherwise his first cycle might still be ongoing.
He's over 40 with kids.
Anadrol shouldn't be involved with any of his personal math.
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Define "growing"?
I would like to be a little fuller and harder, and I have WAY TOO MUCH EXPERIENCE drug-free to know that natural bodybuilding GOES NOWHERE.
Frank Zane is my height and he was 185-lb while on a boatload of gear.
My goal would just be for my training to be more productive.
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So what? Zane is 185 in contest shape. That's a far cry from what you're trying to achieve.
And I will make improvements on 1,800 calories daily. But whether I'm at 1,800 or 3,600 daily, I will tell you this for free:
I could follow that exact diet for three months, and get bigger - FATTER - and much stronger, but I would rather make my time in the gym + my calories produce a better outcome.
I'd be doing what I am already doing - just adding PEDs and increasing calories.
What I would like is a STEROID look - not to necessarily be much bigger in terms of body weight, but to be harder and fuller, which I will be.
And therein lies your problem, your fear of getting "FATTER". Risking your health by taking anabolics is somehow safer than getting "FATTER"? I don't think so.
If I train all summer, even on increased calories, it won't be a look that will wow me - I'll just go back to 200-lb again with a 35" waist as seen in my 200-lb natural photo above.
I want to gain LEAN MUSCLE - I'd rather gain 5-lb of actual muscle than do it naturally, and gain that same 5-lb in addition to more body fat.
Why does ANYONE use PED's, MCWAY?
Lol @ gaining muscle naturally. Utter nonsense.
How big is the top 5'10" natural bodybuilder? Even 180-lb?
I have NO INTEREST in eating 4-6K calories daily and bulk to 220 or something. I just want to increase calories and protein, and take PED's, and look better than I ever have.
Nor should have any interest in eating that much, if it's not necessary. You're not in your teens or early 20s anymore. And dollars to donuts, you don't do any physical activities outside the gym.
But listen to what you just said. The top natural bodybuilder is 5'10", 180-lb. Shouldn't that tell you that (since you have a similar goal, albeit you're a bit shorter), you can achieve such without steroids?
Which - I will guarantee you - I will look better than I ever have. Even if in the end, I'm 185-lb.
Although given my thyroid is slow, maybe it's time to stop being 175, and walk around at 190.
I'm just looking to go on a cycle, and with the much faster and more efficient results, be motivated to eat the protein required for gains.
If I like it - and if my health tests are good, I would be willing to consider ramping up my daily caloric intake, and give up my obsession with being in the 170's. I don't eat more because I don't want to compromise my health. And because I compete at u-80kg.
I just want the boost in progress.
I feel I am owed a good cycle - I've also talked about it a lot, and I'd like to do it.
So, you don't want to compromise your health by eating more food; yet you have no problem compromising your health by using anabolics.
More beef, milk, and eggs, BAD!! More Winstrol, Test, and Deca, GOOD!! Am I missing something here?
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So, you don't want to compromise your health by eating more food; yet you have no problem compromising your health by using anabolics.
I'm glad you brought this up. The last sentence below outlines this health issue [so scroll down if you want to just read that].
With what LITTLE experience I have with steroids, and what MASSIVE experience I have just being a gym rat [+ with respect, a legit manlet strongman competitor in Canada, who IS actually competitive in my weight class], it has been my personal experience that I could follow a perfect "bro" diet for months on end [three meals a day + three shakes + sufficient hydration + pre-workout supplements, say for instance], yet the pumps I get + MAINTAINING those pumps WOULD STILL be better from using a TINY amount of either Dianabol or Anadrol for instance - even if I am eating "ok", but certainly with nowhere near the devotion of your usual bro diet. And if I am both eating a bro diet AND using MINIMAL amounts of juice, I get a look/pump/physique better than I can ever get naturally.
Do you understand you are talking to a highly decorated autistic Canadian strongman here, MCWAY? ;D
I have a video on my computer upstairs that I can post - showing what I mean by this subtle difference. But for now, here's me at 165-lb, completely devoid of PED's for years:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca0pL9SrhjV/
Here's me at 170-lb on 12.5mg Anadrol daily for three weeks - although I can't recall what week this picture was taken:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaijnHhLTmj/
^ And the difference is: the pump in that first picture would be gone in 15 MINUTES - maybe, what, an hour max?
On SMALL amounts of juice, I find I maintain a pump just from moving around!
And maybe that's the difference, MCWAY - maybe it mostly comes down to: I'm just seeking to get that full/pumped look temporarily. Turn some heads, which ANYONE IN SHAPE knows you don't need to be anywhere close to IFBB pro level to turn heads, and that's about it.
I'm not looking to make major gains here, nor willing to severely compromise my health.
Now to your point:
What would compromise my health more - taking X amount of gear and Y amount of food to achieve that look, or to eat Z amount of food [presumably more food], and I can't imagine gaining nearly as much lean mass from just food.
It comes down to this: is one lowly cycle every five years [if that] REALLY so unhealthy?
I'm just not buying it, MCWAY.
And my doctor has always been an athlete, and works with athletes. In fact, my doctor said it wouldn't even impact my blood test if I started the PED's last weekend.
But we're doing ONE final blood test to rule out autoimmune disorders, and he told me not to start until the tests are done. Just to be certain there are no confounding variables.
Do you REALLY think gym rat level cycling is so bad, MCWAY?
Bodybuilders did NOT start dying young until the "chemical era" of bodybuilding, which started with Sonny Schmidt's death in January of 2004.
Also MCWAY - this is a one and done thing with me. Hence, I don't want to go crazy, BECAUSE IN 6-9-12 MONTHS, I will just look like I do now anyway! And may have some post-cycle side effects to deal with.
So I don't want to go nuts here, MCWAY.
What's the alternative for me - using toxic SSRI's? I need to snap myself out of this rut. Nasser [bad example] said young men should use anabolics instead of antidepressants. I'm completely certain, based on my current momentum, that one cycle will snap me out of my current psychological state, and with my new devotion to training again, I will stay out of it.
I'm already feeling much better just with gyms open. But I think this will really get me back to normal. In other words - I'm prepared to sacrifice some physical health for my improved psychological health/wellbeing.
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You can do 12 weeks but you know how it is, it takes months of hammering lifts to make substantial gains. You can stop it at a predetermined time or you can keep it open, see how you feel and decide then. There maybe isn't a standard test dosage but 500mg seems to be the common newbie starting dose although many gurus advice starting at 200-300 to gauge effects. "NO rush." Duchaine advocated 750-1000 as the best first cycle, "nothing less will do," thought there was something about first cycles, no subsequent cycle would be as effective so you should make sure it's substantial.
If someone who was fairly new I would simply advice starting fairly conservative, do it in blocks, and raise dosages as needed. Or say you find out Anadrol doesn't agree with you, you can't eat and you have headaches and blood pressure spikes. So you swith to Turinabol or Anavar or whatever. But the logical thing is that the cycle gets heavier as you go along to keep making gains. That's why only front loading orals never made sense to me. Like I said, adding an oral for the last 4 weeks makes more sense, you are trying to squeeze everything out of a "cycle."
One of the main concerns to me, especially with my background, is injuries. With steroids you should be extra careful but that isn't easy when you feel strong. Some exercises are high risk, like wide grip benches but then you might need to do it if something like that is included in your sport.
I'm really tempted to go to that 750-1000mg weekly range, even if not at the very start.
Keep in mind, I was highly cautious with my first two cycles at 500mg + front-loaded Dbol. Those were in 2004 and 2005. In 2006, I attempted to do a proper "intermediate" cycle of 500mg Test, 250mg EQ weekly + front-loaded Dbol, but had to cut it off after eight weeks due to my first and last bout with bacterial pneumonia.
But now, as I see no reason to rush things...hmm...maybe I could do 500mg Sustanon weekly to start + the 12.5mg of Anadrol daily, then increase the Anadrol in the second and third months, or - something else incremental like that.
Speaking of injuries - might the lack of PED's be the reason why I've never been injured before?
A classic Getbigger told me that almost everyone on steroids will eventually be injured. Is that because muscles strengthen out of proportion with tendons and ligaments, and something years?
Maybe I will follow more of a bodybuilder program if I do this - clean up my form, and leave a rep or two in the tank, just to prevent injury. I always train to failure, as I find it hard to judge what a "rep or two" left is.
But I don't want to risk an injury at my age - especially because I have so little muscle fiber density in my chest, biceps, legs...I have no muscle to tear. It's not going to be like Kevin Levrone, who tore a pec, yet no one would even notice it.
This may be hard when you feel strong, as you said, but this almost IS like a first cycle to me...and I don't want to mess it up.
I don't see the issue with a one-off cycle.
Thanks Van.
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Matt Vans point was exactly the reason why I told you not to take Drol in that other thread,,,,especially at that insane daily dosage......you can do great with just Test....our natural Test levels teadily but slowly decrease once we hit the age of twenty five...but your choice...........persona lly I have never had any problems using gear but I never went insane dosage wise.....never relied solely on it like some guys using it as just a quick shortcut,always ate good,and trained like a hound released from the depths of Hell,and mostly used it to retain what little muscle my poor genetics allowed me to build while dieting for a show.....I love training my balls off better than almost anything other than fishy slit. LOL ;D
PARSH
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Matt Vans point was exactly the reason why I told you not to take Drol in that other thread,,,,especially at that insane daily dosage......you can do great with just Test....iur natural Tet levels teadily but slowly decrease once we hit the age of twenty five...but your choice...........persona lly I have never had any problems using gear but I never went insane dosage wise.....never relied solely on it like some guys using it as just a quick shortcut,always ate good,and trained like a hound released from the depths of Hell,and mostly used it to retain what little muscle my poor genetics allowed me to build while dieting for a show.....I love trainging my balls off better than almost anything other than fishy slit. LOL ;D
PARSH
Hey, thanks wes!!! I have not had any slit since July...maybe that's driving my low T? Come to think of it, I don't think I've had a parsh since then either. ???
But seriously, it may be time to re-incorporate women into my life...that may legitimately be impacting my hormones.
On that note:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421936.msg9792836#msg9792836
Bah!
Any time I read of a young bodybuilder death, I always reconsider my cycle plans! :( :-[
wes - tell me how you think I should do it?
I'm willing to go to the 750-1000mg weekly total gear range for 12 weeks - if not a little longer.
FYI, I saw results - subtle, but...results - on 12.5mg of Anadrol daily.
And I have access to the same brand now, so...I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but I've just been feeling so lousy.
I also don't want to UNDER-DO it.
You know?
Thanks wes. :)
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Matt....5 hundred mgs. a week of Sustanon.... broken up into two shots of 250mgs. each shot....Mon. and Thurs......nothing else needed brother, your system/receptors are clean and.....you`ll make insane progress and it`s a moderate dosage.....trust me on that.
Just eat good and continue training hard of course
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Matt....5 hundred mgs. a week of Sustanon.... broken up into two shots of 250mgs. each shot....Mon. and Thurs......nothing else needed brother, your system/receptors are clean and.....you`ll make insane progress and it`s a moderate dosage.....trust me on that.
Just eat good and continue training hard of course
Jesus fuck why are you responding to this attention-whoring mope?
FFS he’s a half-cycle away from being the next school mass shooter.
He’s a 40 year old mess…he will be fucking suicidal when he does his drug stack and finds out he is still a skinny weak manlet with shitty genetics.
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Come on now Walt. LOL :D
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Come on now Walt. LOL :D
Walt's right. He shouldn't go near anabolics.
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Getbig is the last place to get healthy advice about bodybuilding. Just about everyone around here subscribes to the you-need-drugs-to-grow nonsense. Doesn't surprise me because most have no clue how to get results past a certain point. When the drugs fail to deliver we hear that the hapless dudes 'don't have the genetics!'. These beliefs have destroyed bodybuilding and many lives.
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Getbig is the last place to get healthy advice about bodybuilding. Just about everyone around here subscribes to the you-need-drugs-to-grow nonsense. Doesn't surprise me because most have no clue how to get results past a certain point. When the drugs fail to deliver we hear that the hapless dudes 'don't have the genetics!'. These beliefs have destroyed bodybuilding and many lives.
The sole reason for that Vince is because you have failed after many years of gabbing about it to ever reveal your secret to hypertrophy.
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Walt's right. He shouldn't go near anabolics.
He asked my opinion G.A......it`s solely up to him.....I have never once tried to convince anyone to gear up, just somply answered his questions and told him my thoughts.....the ball is in his court...he was the one interested in using,I certainly didn`t plant that seed in his brain.
Personal Decision Of Peace my friend......his decision,not mine.....I`m not the bad guy here.
It actually affects me not whether he stays clean or uses....I will respect his power either way.
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Getbig is the last place to get healthy advice about bodybuilding. Just about everyone around here subscribes to the you-need-drugs-to-grow nonsense. Doesn't surprise me because most have no clue how to get results past a certain point. When the drugs fail to deliver we hear that the hapless dudes 'don't have the genetics!'. These beliefs have destroyed bodybuilding and many lives.
Pipe down you old queen
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Walt's right. He shouldn't go near anabolics.
All I’m going to say is that is the last guy who should be taking bodybuilding or recreational drugs.
Of any kind.
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Getbig is the last place to get healthy advice about bodybuilding. Just about everyone around here subscribes to the you-need-drugs-to-grow nonsense. Doesn't surprise me because most have no clue how to get results past a certain point. When the drugs fail to deliver we hear that the hapless dudes 'don't have the genetics!'. These beliefs have destroyed bodybuilding and many lives.
Did you take drugs to get in this shape?
(http://musclememory.com/images/recent/BasileVince.jpg)
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Walt's right. He shouldn't go near anabolics.
Walt? Walter Sobchak? The guy who has to post behind a screen name because he isn't able to post under his true identity, because he needs to keep his 9 to 5 job to pay his bills?
Lol, the same loser who has to work for a living? HAHAHA.
What's he saying? That I won't get results on a cycle?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I already warm up with that asshole's workout, I AM CERTAIN.
This board - mainly scum like him - are so full of shit.
In 2007, we had a contest - calling out The True Adonis' claim of doing a 225-lb deadlift for 112 reps.
So anyway, a handful of us submitted videos. I got 23 reps, and was 2nd or 3rd place.
I will bet ANY money I could beat that stupid asshole Walter Sobchak at ANY LIFT, ANY TIME, on cycle or off.
I'd even given him an 80-lb body weight advantage AND not use gear.
I had - pre-pandemic - bench pressed 250 for 17 REPS.
I will hit 20 - easy - on the weakest cycle possible.
I'm not just confident about this - I am willing to bet money on that.
God, this board is so full of shit sometimes.
I am quite confident that I will have a very good cycle. I am also confident that I will just overall feel better, and it will help me cope with living in a quasi-dictatorship here in Canada.
And one thing I would bet ANY money on, is I will be one of the strongest on this board, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, the strongest for my size.
Doctors prescribe sad people benzodiazepines to essentially zombify them when they are depressed. I would much rather just do a decent cycle, and go from there.
If I start getting side effects - I'm done. I'll jump ship. The end.
I see no issues here.
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Did you take drugs to get in this shape?
(http://musclememory.com/images/recent/BasileVince.jpg)
If Vince is legitimately drug-free there - and I mean, absolutely drug-free, save for those desicated liver capsules, or whatever else they had in 1970 - that is incredible.
Even if he is on gear, that's an impressive physique.
Personally, I am realistic about my strengths and weaknesses - I expect to come out of this with decent delts and arms. But not much else. I will likely take a bodybuilding approach to my training though, although my instinct is to lift heavy [for me].
One thing Vince has is very good lats - those sweeping lats in the front double biceps...very impressive. But you either have those or you don't.
This is a comparison between Mark Wahlberg and I - Mark has those sweeping lats, that insert low towards his waist. I don't have anything close to that.
I was watching the second Dustin Poirier vs. Conor McGregor fight - I noticed that I have lats like Poirier [high], whereas McGregor had low lats, closer to how Vince's are.
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Walt? Walter Sobchak? The guy who has to post behind a screen name because he isn't able to post under his true identity, because he needs to keep his 9 to 5 job to pay his bills?
Lol, the same loser who has to work for a living? HAHAHA.
What's he saying? That I won't get results on a cycle?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I already warm up with that asshole's workout, I AM CERTAIN.
This board - mainly scum like him - are so full of shit.
In 2007, we had a contest - calling out The True Adonis' claim of doing a 225-lb deadlift for 112 reps.
So anyway, a handful of us submitted videos. I got 23 reps, and was 2nd or 3rd place.
I will bet ANY money I could beat that stupid asshole Walter Sobchak at ANY LIFT, ANY TIME, on cycle or off.
I'd even given him an 80-lb body weight advantage AND not use gear.
I had - pre-pandemic - bench pressed 250 for 17 REPS.
I will hit 20 - easy - on the weakest cycle possible.
I'm not just confident about this - I am willing to bet money on that.
God, this board is so full of shit sometimes.
I am quite confident that I will have a very good cycle. I am also confident that I will just overall feel better, and it will help me cope with living in a quasi-dictatorship here in Canada.
And one thing I would bet ANY money on, is I will be one of the strongest on this board, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, the strongest for my size.
Doctors prescribe sad people benzodiazepines to essentially zombify them when they are depressed. I would much rather just do a decent cycle, and go from there.
If I start getting side effects - I'm done. I'll jump ship. The end.
I see no issues here.
I’m 100% correct…for Matt Canning it will be either school shooter or suicide.
Fucking spastic little weirdo.
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If Vince is legitimately drug-free there - and I mean, absolutely drug-free, save for those desicated liver capsules, or whatever else they had in 1970 - that is incredible.
Even if he is on gear, that's an impressive physique.
Personally, I am realistic about my strengths and weaknesses - I expect to come out of this with decent delts and arms. But not much else. I will likely take a bodybuilding approach to my training though, although my instinct is to lift heavy [for me].
One thing Vince has is very good lats - those sweeping lats in the front double biceps...very impressive. But you either have those or you don't.
This is a comparison between Mark Wahlberg and I - Mark has those sweeping lats, that insert low towards his waist. I don't have anything close to that.
I was watching the second Dustin Poirier vs. Conor McGregor fight - I noticed that I have lats like Poirier [high], whereas McGregor had low lats, closer to how Vince's are.
Vince said he took Dianabol.
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Vince said he took Dianabol.
Ah. I didn't know that. Thanks, Skeletor.
That said, I still think he has a great physique there, whether using some Dianabol or not.
For me, my reason for doing an intermediate cycle is just to get a notion of how I will look while on. I really don't believe anyone is much successful bodybuilding naturally.
Skeletor - do you ever see yourself after a pump on chest day and wish you looked that way all the time? Frankly, I'd be pleased if I could maintain a look like that...instead of my muscles getting as flat as a pancake within an hour after my workout...
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I took 2 Dianabol for a few months. Vitamin C and B, that's it. Nowadays I don't need drugs or supplements except for magnesium and vitamin D. Matt needs to bulk up eating 3000+ calories a day. See how that goes then reassess what to do. No steroids for first 12 years and zero since 1977.
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I took 2 Dianabol for a few months. Vitamin C and B, that's it. Nowadays I don't need drugs or supplements except for magnesium and vitamin D. Matt needs to bulk up eating 3000+ calories a day. See how that goes then reassess what to do. No steroids for first 12 years and zero since 1977.
Regardless, your physique was at a high level, whether you used anything or not. Let's be honest - most who look like that are usually on something.
Regarding calories - it's daunting to think of 3,000 calories a day, Vince.
That's over a doubling of my current intake. I could do 2,400...possibly gradually ramp it up to 3,000.
I was thinking of 2,400 to 3,000 calories daily plus PED's. While I could look better if I ate more now, I will look better if I both went on-cycle AND ate more.
Which I will - I refuse to start any cycle until I have a full month's food supply in my fridge/freezer. First - one last blood test this week, and then loading up my fridge with food, and THEN I'll start.
Small chance I won't do it anyway - but I probably will.
That being said - I'm not sure if I have any interest in bodybuilding either naturally OR on PED's. Why the FUCK would anyone think shoving masses of calories down their throats and bringing up their body weight is a GOOD thing?
It's not an accident that I have consistently stayed at 170-lb - that was ALWAYS intentional. Again, why would I want to increase my food intake and ultimately COMPROMISE my organ integrity and overall health by pursuing natural bodybuilding, let alone PED bodybuilding?
In 2004, after reading studies on caloric restriction in mice and it's correlation with longevity, I decided to eat a low calorie diet. As it turns out, I took that concept to the extreme, to the point that my thyroid is now slow, from chronically under-eating. But a slow thyroid in itself is probably not a bad thing - and caloric restriction has a massive positive affect on longevity and overall health.
When people here talk like it's some accident I am 170...it just makes me scratch my head. NOTHING has stopped me from eating more or from using PED's OR from doing both. ONLY health concerns did that.
And now that I'm 40 and in better shape - including cardiovascular shape - than men half my age, I realize that I did the right thing.
However, my doctor has said that I should increase my calories just to get my thyroid in the normal range for TSH. Ok - fine.
So I'll be running a cycle and while getting into the habit of eating more, I will make great cycle gains.
When all is said and done, I'll probably end up at 2,400 calories a day, and walk around at 190 instead of 170. Although the good news there, is that I will easily be deadlifting 550 at 190, and benching 370.
One local juicer was telling me it was stupid for me to question how to gain strength, and I was stupid for asking. I had to explain to the dumb shit that ANY gains in strength I make will ONLY happen if my body weight stays in the 170's.
THIS IS A HEALTH CONSTRAINT I PURPOSELY PLACE ON MYSELF - NOT AN ACCIDENT.
Gaining strength would be a complete breeze for me if I even put on 20-lb of fat - but health concerns held me back from doing that.
Now that my doctor is not only giving me the go-ahead to stop being so cautious with my health - but encouraging me to do it [INCLUDING PED's, under his supervision], I look forward to what the results will be.
I wonder what people here are going to say when I'm bench pressing 315x15 at 190 body weight?
It will also be good to run a cycle JUST TO SHOW that ANY TIME I WANTED over the past 15 years, I could have simply ran gear and ate more, and looked radically different.
This will be an opportunity to prove that.
My delts will be the size of my head.
Frankly, I can't wait! :)
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Speaking of injuries - might the lack of PED's be the reason why I've never been injured before?
A classic Getbigger told me that almost everyone on steroids will eventually be injured. Is that because muscles strengthen out of proportion with tendons and ligaments, and something years?
Definitely start somewhat conservative. You can alway raise doses later.
I think steroids absolutely increase injury risk. I don't think it's just the strength increase, steroids make tendons stiffer that fail easier when lengthened. At the same time, steroids can increase tendon recovery as well as they increase collagen synthesis. But there are different types of collagen so it's complicated.
I would definitely be careful in training. Don't increase your bench press loads by 100lbs in 12 weeks even if you could.
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Matt, your strength (not only for 'your size', but 'any size') always impressed me.
Bhanks, maybe the reps arent text-book perfect, but he blows you away in strength.
He obsesses about his health, you are reckless w/ yours just to have a certain look.
One (look) that you post here many times a day like an IG twink /15 year old taking non-stop selfies.
Your self-infatuation is bizarre.
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Definitely start somewhat conservative. You can alway raise doses later.
I think steroids absolutely increase injury risk. I don't think it's just the strength increase, steroids make tendons stiffer that fail easier when lengthened. At the same time, steroids can increase tendon recovery as well as they increase collagen synthesis. But there are different types of collagen so it's complicated.
I would definitely be careful in training. Don't increase your bench press loads by 100lbs in 12 weeks even if you could.
Thanks again, Van.
I'll tell you this: it would be VERY EASY to talk me out of using steroids right now, if a legitimate argument was presented. MCWAY speaking vaguely about "health" in itself isn't sufficient - many things are unhealthy, but we incorporate them into our lives for reasons, because they increase our quality of life. But when you talk about very specific potential impacts of steroid use [headaches, or increased risk of injury, for instance], that gives me more pause for thought.
But - like many people before me - I have gotten to a point where I'm just sick of being sick. I need to accept that Canadians seem to want to be subjugated by Big Government, and acknowledge that there's nothing I can do about that if the political will is on the side of the communists.
But the plandemic joke took this to the next level - never in my life were leftists anything but background noise. Only over the past two years were my actual freedoms on the line, as I was legally barred for gyms.
So I'm going to enjoy my freedom while I can, and I'm going to just accept that if enough Canadians want communism, we will get communism. That appears to be the case [but the truckers gave us a reprieve].
And now here I am, interested in running a cycle just to feel alive again. All my health tests have been good aside from my TSH level being slightly elevated, and my doctor has no issue with me using PED's - and is actually interested in seeing my results. So unless someone can give me an actual good reason not to do a one-off cycle [and not propaganda], I plan to do it.
But I am reading very closely what you say, Van. About doses, about injury risk - everything. It is helping me to plan this cycle, and now, I think I'm going to go 16 weeks, with the first month being to incorporate the orals in slowly, to see the results. Or put them in at the end, as you suggested can be done. But after talking to you, what I will NOT be doing is loading up on heavy orals in the first month. They'll be time for that later!
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Matt, brother, less talk and more action. You've made the courageous decision to live again. Now it's time to leave humanity behind. To mutate. To build deltoids so big that the vaccine-filled syringes being stabbed at you by state stormtroopers simply bounce off. And then ... it's time to get revenge on the Canadian police force for their disrespect. May Allah be with you.
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Matt, your strength (not only for 'your size', but 'any size') always impressed me.
Bhanks, maybe the reps arent text-book perfect, but he blows you away in strength.
He obsesses about his health, you are reckless w/ yours just to have a certain look.
One (look) that you post here many times a day like an IG twink /15 year old taking non-stop selfies.
Your self-infatuation is bizarre.
Thanks Gym-Rat!
This board was part of why I was surprised when I placed 4th in the first local bench press contest I entered. Based on what I was reading on the board, I thought I'd be dead last. ::)
Meanwhile, you had literal obese board members like Sarcasm [RIP] talking shit about people behind a screen name.
But that's message boards for you. Sherdog has the same issue with MMA fans.
Regarding B. Hank, he may be mad at me because I posted the photoshopped picture of his legs. Honestly - his legs are a weak point, but they are bigger than mine, so it would be stupid to claim my physique is better than his in any way.
I'm not delusional - I won't pretend I have a better physique than B. Hank. I don't.
Strength is another matter - most of my best lifts have been confirmed.
Maybe it's time for me to unblock Walter Sobchak - it will be a good laugh to annihilate his lifts on-cycle. Although I may hold back from doing so, just to prevent injury - as Van Bilderass informed me that injury risk is heightened while ON.
Lastly, here are two more videos, showing I am stronger than that utter LIAR Walter Sobchak. He's probably another 320-lb obese man behind a screen, much like Sarcasm [RIP].
320x6 bench press:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/
2,700-lb Monster Truck Pull [+ the driver, who was 187-lb, IIRC]:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeN2eQoAojF/
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Matt, brother, less talk and more action. You've made the courageous decision to live again. Now it's time to leave humanity behind. To mutate. To build deltoids so big that the vaccine-filled syringes being stabbed at you by state stormtroopers simply bounce off. And then ... it's time to get revenge on the Canadian police force for their disrespect. My Allah be with you.
As of two months ago, the vaccine passport is done in Canada.
I filed legal action against the police, and they gave me a letter in writing that they will not be forcing me to play plandemic ever again. It was ALL about intimidation from the start.
And now that Canadian business owners know this, I'm not so sure they will close again - I know two gym owners in town who absolutely WILL NOT close, unless the laws change.
Speaking of Allah - tell me all about Islam, Mohammed.
Tell me, Mohammed, are you familiar with Ugandan Black Nationalist dictator, Idi Amin?
I have been researching him a lot lately, including his faith in Allah.
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Matt Vans point was exactly the reason why I told you not to take Drol in that other thread,,,,especially at that insane daily dosage......
If you think about it, why does Anadrol come in 50mg tablets, instead of like 2mg for Anavar and Winstrol? You'd think 1 tablet of any drug shouldn't be insane or they would've made them smaller. I do agree that Anadrol is very potent and even 25mg gives results. They did a 12 week study in 60-80 year olds where they got either 50 or 100mg a day. Simply to see if it was effective in older people, staving off age related muscle loss. It was of course and it was well tolerated. Only thing was increased liver enzymes at 100mg.
So if you consider data like this 50mg might not be insane.
Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men
E. Todd Schroeder, Atam Singh, Shalender Bhasin, Thomas W. Storer, Colleen Azen, Tina Davidson, Carmen Martinez, Indrani Sinha-Hikim, S. Victoria Jaque, Michael Terk, and Fred R. Sattler
Published Online:01 JAN 2003https://doi.org/10.1152/ajpendo.00363.2002
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If you think about it, why does Anadrol come in 50mg tablets, instead of like 2mg for Anavar and Winstrol? You'd think 1 tablet of any drug shouldn't be insane or they would've made them smaller. I do agree that Anadrol is very potent and even 25mg gives results. They did a 12 week study in 60-80 year olds where they got either 50 or 100mg a day. Simply to see if it was effective in older people, staving off age related muscle loss. It was of course and it was well tolerated. Only thing was increased liver enzymes at 100mg.
So if you consider data like this 50mg might not be insane.
Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men
E. Todd Schroeder, Atam Singh, Shalender Bhasin, Thomas W. Storer, Colleen Azen, Tina Davidson, Carmen Martinez, Indrani Sinha-Hikim, S. Victoria Jaque, Michael Terk, and Fred R. Sattler
Published Online:01 JAN 2003https://doi.org/10.1152/ajpendo.00363.2002
Van - I forgot to mention:
In that second Instagram link I posted above [this one: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeN2eQoAojF/], that was the second last cycle I did. I mentioned ITT, that I did 2x 3-week Anadrol cycles in 2016. Both were 12.5mg daily.
You may be able to tell that I just look slightly more pumped up than usual in that video.
Definitely subtle results - but enough to the point where I definitely noticed them, at even 12.5mg daily.
In fact, more than one friend of mine took notice of that video, and one asked me if was on gear.
That's 12.5mg.
If you had to recommend a dosage, would 12.5mg for the first month be ok? I could go 25mg - heck, I could go any amount. But 12.5mg daily DID produce results for me...so would that be a good starting point?
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I took 2 Dianabol for a few months. Vitamin C and B, that's it. Nowadays I don't need drugs or supplements except for magnesium and vitamin D. Matt needs to bulk up eating 3000+ calories a day. See how that goes then reassess what to do. No steroids for first 12 years and zero since 1977.
TERRIBLE ADVICE OF PEACE
Come on Vince....I am well aware that 3500 = a pound but if Matt consumed the three thousand you are recommending,he`d be a fatass in no time.
Yes,he would more than likely gain weight,but he`d become a soft looking fatty and look terrible.
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If you think about it, why does Anadrol come in 50mg tablets, instead of like 2mg for Anavar and Winstrol? You'd think 1 tablet of any drug shouldn't be insane or they would've made them smaller. I do agree that Anadrol is very potent and even 25mg gives results. They did a 12 week study in 60-80 year olds where they got either 50 or 100mg a day. Simply to see if it was effective in older people, staving off age related muscle loss. It was of course and it was well tolerated. Only thing was increased liver enzymes at 100mg.
So if you consider data like this 50mg might not be insane.
Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men
E. Todd Schroeder, Atam Singh, Shalender Bhasin, Thomas W. Storer, Colleen Azen, Tina Davidson, Carmen Martinez, Indrani Sinha-Hikim, S. Victoria Jaque, Michael Terk, and Fred R. Sattler
Published Online:01 JAN 2003https://doi.org/10.1152/ajpendo.00363.2002
Well firstly if I`m not mitaken here,Matt was speaking of taking daily dosages.....for him this would be a waste of money....remember,his receptors are cleaner than a virgins twat.....and Anadrol can be harsh and it IS VERY POTENT.
Personally I love A- bombs, I had a bottle of real shit from a pharmacy and along with a few other roids in my cycle I took only fifty mgs. once weekly along with other compounds and looked great and made incredible gains in power......I respond greatly to orals.
My Sustanon advice to Matt is great advice IMO....you should try to get the most bang for your buck while doing the least amount needed to achieve this effect.
For an example it would be one of his very few cycles in his life you wouldn`t advise a pro cycle when simple Test would give him awesome results.
On his own word {not quite verbatum} he said the few short cycles he did were very mild......why go all out....Anadrol is a powerful agent uneeded by him at this point in my humble opinion.
EDIT: Van I did take one Adrol a day at fifty mgs......I needed more coffee bud. :F
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Van - I forgot to mention:
In that second Instagram link I posted above [this one: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeN2eQoAojF/], that was the second last cycle I did. I mentioned ITT, that I did 2x 3-week Anadrol cycles in 2016. Both were 12.5mg daily.
You may be able to tell that I just look slightly more pumped up than usual in that video.
Definitely subtle results - but enough to the point where I definitely noticed them, at even 12.5mg daily.
In fact, more than one friend of mine took notice of that video, and one asked me if was on gear.
That's 12.5mg.
If you had to recommend a dosage, would 12.5mg for the first month be ok? I could go 25mg - heck, I could go any amount. But 12.5mg daily DID produce results for me...so would that be a good starting point?
It could work well especially if you have testosterone as a base. You can always increase to 25mg after a week or two, all based on how you feel and respond.
I once took 15 Anadrols and nothing else. I had been injured and off and I thought I would do some Anadrol for a couple of weeks before I even went to the gym. I put on 15lbs on 1 tab a day. It was like filling a balloon with water. It was water, intramuscular water but water nonetheless. So it's great for immediate swoleness lol. Duchaine called it "instant muscle." Anadrol is popular among the pros the last few days for "filling out." Unfortunately Anadrol is notorious for making you lose it all once you stop. Very quickly. It's great while on and nothing compares as a strength steroid IME. I feel very stable throughout my body and things like gripping strength increase within hours of dosing. Of course there's always some who don't respond or say they don't.
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Well firstly if I`m not mitaken here,Matt was speaking of taking daily dosages.....for him this would be a waste of money....remember,his receptors are cleaner than a virgins twat.....and Anadrol can be harsh and it IS VERY POTENT.
Personally I love A- bombs, I had a bottle of real shit from a pharmacy and along with a few other roids in my cycle I took only fifty mgs. once weekly along with other compounds and looked great and made incredible gains in power......I respond greatly to orals.
My Sustanon advice to Matt is great advice IMO....you should try to get the most bang for your buck while doing the least amount needed to achieve this effect.
For an example it would be one of his very few cycles in his life you wouldn`t advise a pro cycle when simple Test would give him awesome results.
On his own word {not quite verbatum} he said the few short cycles he did were very mild......why go all out....Anadrol is a powerful agent uneeded by him at this point in my humble opinion.
Well of course Anadrol should be taken every day. Actually preferably split into twice daily dosing if you want stable blood levels. Once a day will work fine but your levels will be low for half the day. Did you really mean you took it once weekly?
Of course Matt would respond to testosterone only. But he is now 40 and will not respond as well as he would have when younger. It would be like 4 weeks until he even started to notice effects. It starts working immediately but it's often so mild that it takes quite a while to really start noticing. There are outliers in both directions though but IME for most test only is pretty underwhelming and many are dissatisfied with the results. A coworker did 500mg of test for about 5 months last year and really didn't gain anything. You might say he must not have eaten or trained properly and that would be true to a degree but if someone is a good responder they will gain even doing everything wrong. Wouldn't even need to lift at all and would still put on 10lbs of lbm (as the one study showed). Anadrol is potent but IME there's nothing wrong with potent as long as you don't have sides. If it was me I wouldn't mess around with a suboptimal cycle at 40 years old especially if I was only going to do one cycle and go off indefinitely but for sure for an extended period. In fact, I would seriously consider adding GH. There's really no good argument for not adding GH especially at 40. One of the reasons young people (teens) respond better to steroids is they have higher GH. An completely rational argument could be made for using some insulin as well. Most oldtimers will say that is crazy, those are advanced drugs and/or no one should even use insulin. But there's nothing more "advanced" with GH and insulin. You naturally secrete GH and insulin and your body doesn't even make steroids.
I don't want to be a drug pusher but I'm just saying, knowing what I know now, and having made many mistakes -doing too many drugs, the wrong kind or too high a dosage- if I was 40 years old with Matt's stats I would do a moderate dose of the best and most effective steroids. I would definitely use GH. I would definitely use some insulin. I wouldn't blast very high dosages of steroids, I would do a moderate but effective amount and add those other hormones. The old ways weren't necessarily the best. It took an unnecessarily long time to get to a certain level and the health risks weren't necessarily less either. The old ways: "cycling" steroids. Not having GH and insulin in the stack.
Just my opinions.
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It's great while on and nothing compares as a strength steroid IME.
I need to address the other comments here whenever I same up today [it's almost 8am here now, and my parents want to plant a garden in my backyard for some reason, so I need to wake up before 3pm], but on the topic of Anadrol and strength, I should say this:
In that contest that I posted a video of me above pulling a Monster Truck from 2016, I also had to flip a 950-lb tire.
The 950-lb tire is MASSIVE, and is basically my height, and just massively heavy and awkward.
Anyway, I had no reason to think I could flip it at all, because we were also flipping it UPHILL. I actually asked if I could flip it downhill, and get zero points on the event, just to prove to the crowd I could lift it, rather than fail the lift.
Anyway, I flipped it, and very easily got one rep.
I then flipped it a second time and slipped - but I think I was in such shock that I got it, that I basically stopped myself from flipping it for a second time.
HOW did I possibly take a hard [normally 30 second] one rep max, and get to two reps somehow, without even training it?
IMO, that 12.5mg of Anadrol made all the difference.
EDIT: I couldn't find the picture of me flipping the 950 tire in contest, but here is a shot I did attempting the monster 1,100-lb tire. Tire flip is a good lift for me. This is the heaviest tire in my city, and I would have successfully flipped it had I had a belt to rest the tire on, midway. Or a gut would have helped, as a lot of strongmen rest the tire on their gut before completing the lift:
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Well of course Anadrol should be taken every day. Actually preferably split into twice daily dosing if you want stable blood levels. Once a day will work fine but your levels will be low for half the day. Did you really mean you took it once weekly?
Of course Matt would respond to testosterone only. But he is now 40 and will not respond as well as he would have when younger. It would be like 4 weeks until he even started to notice effects. It starts working immediately but it's often so mild that it takes quite a while to really start noticing. There are outliers in both directions though but IME for most test only is pretty underwhelming and many are dissatisfied with the results. A coworker did 500mg of test for about 5 months last year and really didn't gain anything. You might say he must not have eaten or trained properly and that would be true to a degree but if someone is a good responder they will gain even doing everything wrong. Wouldn't even need to lift at all and would still put on 10lbs of lbm (as the one study showed). Anadrol is potent but IME there's nothing wrong with potent as long as you don't have sides. If it was me I wouldn't mess around with a suboptimal cycle at 40 years old especially if I was only going to do one cycle and go off indefinitely but for sure for an extended period. In fact, I would seriously consider adding GH. There's really no good argument for not adding GH especially at 40. One of the reasons young people (teens) respond better to steroids is they have higher GH. An completely rational argument could be made for using some insulin as well. Most oldtimers will say that is crazy, those are advanced drugs and/or no one should even use insulin. But there's nothing more "advanced" with GH and insulin. You naturally secrete GH and insulin and your body doesn't even make steroids.
I don't want to be a drug pusher but I'm just saying, knowing what I know now, and having made many mistakes -doing too many drugs, the wrong kind or too high a dosage- if I was 40 years old with Matt's stats I would do a moderate dose of the best and most effective steroids. I would definitely use GH. I would definitely use some insulin. I wouldn't blast very high dosages of steroids, I would do a moderate but effective amount and add those other hormones. The old ways weren't necessarily the best. It took an unnecessarily long time to get to a certain level and the health risks weren't necessarily less either. The old ways: "cycling" steroids. Not having GH and insulin in the stack.
Just my opinions.
Van,I went back and edited my post above....it was fifty mgs. a day but I only did the tablet once daily.....wish I knew enough back then to split it into two dosages but my gains were incredible just the same.
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Matt you`re a strong guy for a Canadian. LOL ;D
Just kidding off course......about the Canadian part.
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remember,his receptors are cleaner than a virgins twat.....and Anadrol can be harsh and it IS VERY POTENT.
Glad you mentioned that, wes.
It is important to note that being a big time health pussy / hypochondriac, I have REALLY never used much gear - three cycles with injectables in 2004-2005-2006, and a handful of 1-month oral-only cycles between 2006 and 2016, with my last one being December of 2016.
So, while I can't claim "natural", I am clean, and my receptors should be quite fresh.
AND - I think if I do a decent cycle, EVERYONE will know I'm telling the truth about this.
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Glad you mentioned that, wes.
It is important to note that being a big time health pussy / hypochondriac, I have REALLY never used much gear - three cycles with injectables in 2004-2005-2006, and a handful of 1-month oral-only cycles between 2006 and 2016, with my last one being December of 2016.
So, while I can't claim "natural", I am clean, and my receptors should be quite fresh.
AND - I think if I do a decent cycle, EVERYONE will know I'm telling the truth about this.
THREE WORDS MATT:
"TEST IS BEST"
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For fuck sake you could have done a dozen cycles and reported back your results in the time you soent hemming and hawing about it fucking do it already lets see 15 reps with 315 at 190lbs on a 2400 calorie diet gtfo juicing while starving brilliant you think you are going to gain 20lbs on 2400 calories lol
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As of two months ago, the vaccine passport is done in Canada.
I filed legal action against the police, and they gave me a letter in writing that they will not be forcing me to play plandemic ever again. It was ALL about intimidation from the start.
And now that Canadian business owners know this, I'm not so sure they will close again - I know two gym owners in town who absolutely WILL NOT close, unless the laws change.
Speaking of Allah - tell me all about Islam, Mohammed.
Tell me, Mohammed, are you familiar with Ugandan Black Nationalist dictator, Idi Amin?
I have been researching him a lot lately, including his faith in Allah.
Sure, my brother Matthammed, aside from reminding you of your rights to revenge and bodily autonomy under Islam, I'd also recommend you Jordan Peterson's new talk with Hamza Yusuf.
As for Idi Amin - he was a great man. A great leader. He exuded power and strength - which is what I want for you, too. Look at what the Government tried to do to you! They tried to lock you up. Hold you down. They tried to take CONTROL of your body! What better way is there to take the power back and say MY BODY, MY CHOICE than by becoming a sidewalk-cracking BEAST? Be proud of your mutation. Stand out from the crowd not only with your free-thinking mind, but with your bulging biceps. I recommend at least one gram of test a week plus orals.
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just run 250mg trt for 6-12months and go from there. inexpensive, well tolerated, makes you feel great, relatively safe. thinking in terms of weeks is kinda futile in this guys opinion
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500mg a week or you are wasting your time and money and won't get proper results so then you will just bitch more about it also dont be a bitch and quit after 4 weeks claiming some kind of ailment it is going to take a couple months to do anything
But you have also done this half a dozen times and have been on the board talking shit about PEDS like a know it all for 20 years so why the questions?
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I need to address the other comments here whenever I same up today [it's almost 8am here now, and my parents want to plant a garden in my backyard for some reason, so I need to wake up before 3pm], but on the topic of Anadrol and strength, I should say this:
In that contest that I posted a video of me above pulling a Monster Truck from 2016, I also had to flip a 950-lb tire.
The 950-lb tire is MASSIVE, and is basically my height, and just massively heavy and awkward.
Anyway, I had no reason to think I could flip it at all, because we were also flipping it UPHILL. I actually asked if I could flip it downhill, and get zero points on the event, just to prove to the crowd I could lift it, rather than fail the lift.
Anyway, I flipped it, and very easily got one rep.
I then flipped it a second time and slipped - but I think I was in such shock that I got it, that I basically stopped myself from flipping it for a second time.
HOW did I possibly take a hard [normally 30 second] one rep max, and get to two reps somehow, without even training it?
IMO, that 12.5mg of Anadrol made all the difference.
EDIT: I couldn't find the picture of me flipping the 950 tire in contest, but here is a shot I did attempting the monster 1,100-lb tire. Tire flip is a good lift for me. This is the heaviest tire in my city, and I would have successfully flipped it had I had a belt to rest the tire on, midway. Or a gut would have helped, as a lot of strongmen rest the tire on their gut before completing the lift:
Matt, how old are you? i noticed your parents gardening messing with your sleep?
Guessing 30+
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Has Matt “School Shooter” Canning started his cycle yet or is he still just crying out for attention?
At least if he does run a cycle he will get his testosterone levels up to that of a 13 year old girl.
And to think the Canadian government lets that fucking unhinged spastic fuck raise children.
I guess he is just going to have to impress Getbig with more photos - the retards always think more photos is the solution. Canning and Hankins the autism twins.
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500mg a week or you are wasting your time and money and won't get proper results so then you will just bitch more about it also dont be a bitch and quit after 4 weeks claiming some kind of ailment it is going to take a couple months to do anything
But you have also done this half a dozen times and have been on the board talking shit about PEDS like a know it all for 20 years so why the questions?
250mg is plenty. 500mg is fine but 250mg is enough to look very good indeed
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500mg a week or you are wasting your time and money and won't get proper results so then you will just bitch more about it also dont be a bitch and quit after 4 weeks claiming some kind of ailment it is going to take a couple months to do anything
But you have also done this half a dozen times and have been on the board talking shit about PEDS like a know it all for 20 years so why the questions?
my first cycle was 16 mgs of Winstrol tabs (8x2mg tabs) a day for 8 weeks, I gained 20lb and kept 12 when I came of, oh and I was very lean as well.
Jumping in at 500mgs you will never know if 250 would do the job
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Thanks again, Van.
I'll tell you this: it would be VERY EASY to talk me out of using steroids right now, if a legitimate argument was presented. MCWAY speaking vaguely about "health" in itself isn't sufficient - many things are unhealthy, but we incorporate them into our lives for reasons, because they increase our quality of life. But when you talk about very specific potential impacts of steroid use [headaches, or increased risk of injury, for instance], that gives me more pause for thought.
You brought up your health, specifically about getting "FATTER" was being more of a detriment than using performance-enhancing drugs.
I simply disagree with that assessment. And I also stated that the look you claimed you wanted to achieve did not require use of steroids. Even you copped to that.
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Has Matt “School Shooter” Canning started his cycle yet or is he still just crying out for attention?
At least if he does run a cycle he will get his testosterone levels up to that of a 13 year old girl.
And to think the Canadian government lets that fucking unhinged spastic fuck raise children.
I guess he is just going to have to impress Getbig with more photos - the retards always think more photos is the solution. Canning and Hankins the autism twins.
HA HA HA HA ....too fucking funny. LOL ;D
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my first cycle was 16 mgs of Winstrol tabs (8x2mg tabs) a day for 8 weeks, I gained 20lb and kept 12 when I came of, oh and I was very lean as well.
Jumping in at 500mgs you will never know if 250 would do the job
Mine was three 5 mg. CIBA D-Bol tabs a day.......duration was two bottles of one hundred pills......got a double bodyweight bench out if it after being a drunken bum and returning to the gym and benching ninety five pounds for a shaky hard eight reps in my first "workout" back after missing seven years due to being a dyed in thee wool alky.
I think I may have done some orals once before years ago before the D-Bol cycle but my lost brain cells aren`t firing today. :D.
That CIBA D-Bol makes those stupid pink hearts D-Bol seem like taking skittles candy................... .........which by the way is a staple of Hankys diet. ;D
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MATT CANNING SHALL HAVE HIS REVENGE!
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:D
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just run 250mg trt for 6-12months and go from there. inexpensive, well tolerated, makes you feel great, relatively safe. thinking in terms of weeks is kinda futile in this guys opinion
x2 great advice
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HA HA HA HA ....too fucking funny. LOL ;D
For frame of reference:
A 160 lb spastic fucking manlet, who is 40 years old and lives with his parents, while other people raise his children, wants to take illegal performance drugs to get up to 170 lbs and increase his bench press because he thinks that will impress anonymous strangers on the internet.
🤣
You can’t make this shit up! And the best part is that he isn’t aware of just how freaking weird, small, and weak he really is out in the real world. 🤣
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MATT CANNING SHALL HAVE HIS REVENGE!
:D
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Mine was three 5 mg. CIBA D-Bol tabs a day.......duration was two bottles of one hundred pills......got a double bodyweight bench out if it after being a drunken bum and returning to the gym and benching ninety five pounds for a shaky hard eight reps in my first "workout" back after missing seven years due to being a dyed in thee wool alky.
I think I may have done some orals once before years ago before the D-Bol cycle but my lost brain cells aren`t firing today. :D.
That CIBA D-Bol makes those stupid pink hearts D-Bol seem like taking skittles candy................... .........which by the way is a staple of Hankys diet. ;D
Mine was 20mgs of the Thailand anabols 4x5s for 8 weeks taken all at once every morning. I went from 230-260 and when I got off I stayed 255 with no pct and most my strength stayed. Low dose is great when shit is real.
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Whose gimmick account is “Mohammed Omari”?
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Proper you look like an injury waiting to happen pick up the 80s next time and go slow and controlled and bring them all the way down to your chest you should be able to rest the weight on your damn chest between reps
There is no way you are getting a pump in your chest from that there is no mind muscle connection there
Its better than being an injury that has happened.
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Fuck off, you withered cunt. 'The scientific literature is not the same as the real world'. LOL, there's the scientific way, and then there's the Hankins way. Which is, whatever Hankins is doing, THAT'S the right way! Why? Because HE'S doing it. And there's nothing else to consider, because Hankins knows best. Doesn't matter if you lift for strength, or mental wellbeing, or for cardiovascular benefits. It doesn't matter what your views on nutrition are, or what your goals are, or what you enjoy eating. DO WHAT BRIAN DOES!
Need TRT? 500 mg per week is the minimum! Why? Because that's what Cow Head is currently using. Anything less than supraphysiological dosages is just a waste of your time, and doesn't in ANY WAY contradict the definition of 'replacement therapy'. Why? Because there's no way that Brian is simply just a deluded and arrogant fuck-up whose physique is the result of drugs alone.
This.
The fact that Bhanks would be critical of anyones form is funny.
Matt used to post deadlift videos where he couldn’t keep his feet still and it drove everyone nuts. But it worked for him. Matt’s form is fine.
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I reiterate that MattC trains strongman.
Purpose in strongman is to get the weight up.
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250mg is plenty. 500mg is fine but 250mg is enough to look very good indeed
X2. 250mgs is plenty for Matt.
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Mine was three 5 mg. CIBA D-Bol tabs a day.......duration was two bottles of one hundred pills......got a double bodyweight bench out if it after being a drunken bum and returning to the gym and benching ninety five pounds for a shaky hard eight reps in my first "workout" back after missing seven years due to being a dyed in thee wool alky.
I think I may have done some orals once before years ago before the D-Bol cycle but my lost brain cells aren`t firing today. :D.
That CIBA D-Bol makes those stupid pink hearts D-Bol seem like taking skittles candy................... .........which by the way is a staple of Hankys diet. ;D
those little blue CIBA d-bol pills were the best
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250mg twice a week and a daily 12 ounce Hitler’s steak medium rare should do it
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Matt you`re a strong guy for a Canadian. LOL ;D
Just kidding off course......about the Canadian part.
Lol, when Tito Ortiz beat Patrick Cote at UFC 50, Tito said "Of course he's tough - he's Canadian", after basically tossing him around for three rounds. ;D
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You brought up your health, specifically about getting "FATTER" was being more of a detriment than using performance-enhancing drugs.
I simply disagree with that assessment. And I also stated that the look you claimed you wanted to achieve did not require use of steroids. Even you copped to that.
Yes, BUT - it's not just the look, MCWAY. On juice, even the tiniest amounts possible, I feel like my pumps are maintained all day, or I even get pumped walking up stairs.
You know how you look better after a chest workout, because your chest and shoulders are pumped up?
That's how I'd like to spend the summer being.
Admittedly, it's also nice having heads turning, and despite the UTTER DELUSIONS OF THIS MESSAGE BOARD, the average person is nowhere near as in-shape as I am - let alone on juice.
In fact, I can post multiple screenshots from videos in the gym with people watching me train. Happens ALL THE TIME.
My point is - I'm looking for some of those stares - just for the ego lift right now, after having a crummy couple of years.
The thing is, MCWAY - there's no way I can look the way I do training naturally. That chronic pump look is only attainable on supplements or steroids.
I don't think the average man of 5'10" would get much bigger than 180 in contest condition. If that.
And it's also in part because once the gear kicks in within DAYS, I will get much more satisfying workouts and better pumps. That will make me double down on my efforts, and keep up my hard training, and dedication to nutrition.
I've gone my entire life without gear. I've proven I am TOO CAUTIOUS with my health - to the point that my doctor has literally ordered me to start eating cheat meals.
I could become addicted to gear use...I mean, there are risks.
It will make me slightly less healthy, presumably. But how bad would 500mg of Sustanon weekly and 25mg of Anadrol daily be?
I'm just looking for a little boost - not much more.
When I was younger I WANTED to look like I do now, more or less. So I don't intend to make some radical transformation. But an intermediate cycle would be nice.
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those little blue CIBA d-bol pills were the best
Hell yeah my friend....they worked.
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my first cycle was 16 mgs of Winstrol tabs (8x2mg tabs) a day for 8 weeks, I gained 20lb and kept 12 when I came of, oh and I was very lean as well.
Jumping in at 500mgs you will never know if 250 would do the job
I'm glad you're here, joswift.
I was supposed to get my requisition form from my doctor today to rule out autoimmune diseases. We both decided: no PED's until the blood is drawn. Although he said PED's won't impact the results.
Just no need to have a possible confound in there.
My friend was saying separate needles are used to draw the gear into the syringe, and to inject. It's been over 15 years since I injected anything - but I don't recall doing that.
Do you use separate needles to draw the gear from the vial and inject, with lower gauge needles for that?
Also...I'm thinking low gauge needles are a bit better to shoot the gear - just to give the gear more room to flow freely. I'm not trying to harpoon a blue whale here, but - would 19 gauge be ok to both draw the gear and inject it?
The only thing stopping me from starting - after this blood test - is going to be my one-month supply of food. If I don't literally have that food in front of me, I'm not starting.
Basically, if I don't have at least 80,000 calories including 7,500 grams of protein in my fridge and freezer, I'm not starting.
I know if the first month goes well [well = perfectly...no missed meals, no missed workouts, and no missed injections for that matter], that will start the momentum going. Once the momentum is going, I will then fine-tune things.
I'll start posting photos at the 4-week mark.
Lastly - do you really think 250mg weekly is sufficient? Seems low? Heck, people even tell me 500mh is a bit low.
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500mg a week or you are wasting your time and money and won't get proper results so then you will just bitch more about it also dont be a bitch and quit after 4 weeks claiming some kind of ailment it is going to take a couple months to do anything
But you have also done this half a dozen times and have been on the board talking shit about PEDS like a know it all for 20 years so why the questions?
That's definitely one of my concerns - being too conservative/cautious in my dosages. In fact, let me say - in my first cycle I think I barely did enough, and in my second cycle, I felt that same amount [500mg Test weekly + 25mg Dianabol daily] could have been increased.
This was in 2003-2004...I was around 155-160 here. I bulked up to 170 naturally before going on gear, so about 15-lb heavier than here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371619;image)
So then I went from 170 to 187 on the 500mg Sustanon weekly + 25mg Dianabol daily cycle I did [12 weeks]:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371620;image)
Same day here, at 187:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371622;image)
^ Though, I'll be honest - that cycle was OK, but I didn't find the results knocked my socks off...you know?
That's why I increased it to 500mg Test weekly + 25mg Dianabol daily + the added 250mg EQ - and the result was much better, hitting 193-lb, but by far the leanest I've ever been at that weight - leaner than I normally am at 173:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371623;image)
^ That's when Van Bilderass called me out for using gear, lol. He could tell because my delts grew disproportionately! Apparently because there are more androgen receptors in your delts.
But I did get bacterial pneumonia, at week eight, which made me stop the cycle. Just FYI - it was really easy to talk me out of gear use at that time. Literally anyone could have talked me out of it.
Not this time. It's going to have to be a valid reason, not just vague "health" concerns. I have done every health test possible, and there is NOTHING I'm not at or even BEYOND the optimal health range in.
My resting heart rate is 52 BPM, FFS.
LOL @ "health". I went my ENTIRE LIFE fearing for my health, which is why I'm finally doing this! I've been TOO cautious. Now it's time for me to live a little before I'm too old to do it.
I will still be conservative in my doses and calories, but instead of just increasing my calories to 2,400 or 3,000 daily, I will be doing that AND adding a bit of gear.
I just want to improve my appearance somewhat, and get an idea of what it would be like on gear.
I always remember thinking that gear was a benefit, but it was never magic. But at the same time, I never used all that much.
This portable blood pressure machine belongs to someone I know - she told me she NEVER saw anyone with blood pressure as low as mine. And a resting heart rate of 52 BPM as measured by a heart ultrasound - it's safe to say there is NO REASON that I shouldn't do this.
I spent all this time getting this tests done, making sure everything was ok, etc, and I'm "ALL IN" now.
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Matt, how old are you? i noticed your parents gardening messing with your sleep?
Guessing 30+
I'm 40. My parents [or possibly just my mom] want to plant a garden in my backyard for some reason. They are 61 and 63. I don't much care if one of them or both want to plant a garden here, as long as they do it on their own.
Although, to be honest...that may be a good idea. We should probably all learn how to plant gardens.
I don't know about you, but I'm concerned about upcoming potential food shortages and other shortages. I can tell you that here in Canada, people proved to be gutless cowards, and did not remotely fight back when it came to pandemic restrictions. So I don't expect Canadians to do much when the government makes it illegal for them to go to work, and supply chains start breaking down.
So I should probably learn how to make my own garden.
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I wouldn't mess around with a suboptimal cycle at 40 years old especially if I was only going to do one cycle and go off indefinitely but for sure for an extended period. In fact, I would seriously consider adding GH. There's really no good argument for not adding GH especially at 40. One of the reasons young people (teens) respond better to steroids is they have higher GH. An completely rational argument could be made for using some insulin as well.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/58685110/whoa-easy-there.jpg)
;D
Van - a former Getbigger who said you were a board treasure also told me to add GH.
Gosh, now you have me contemplating it. I mean, I DO NOT want to run another wussy cycle, and get minimal results like that story of your friend on test for five months.
Here's some more info for you, if this helps, Van:
I honestly did NOT think I responded well to 500mg of testosterone weekly. When comparing the results to oral-only cycles, I didn't notice much difference.
This is why I later on just did wimpy 20mg Dianabol daily cycles for one month, every 3-4-5 years. In fact, in 2008, I did 15mg of Dianabol daily from a lab called "Axio Labs", and the results were tremendous.
But the first two cycles I did, once [2004] with 500mg Sustanon weekly, and once [2005] with 500mg testosterone enanthate front-loaded with Dbols did NOT seem considerably more effective to me than just the Dbols alone.
These were 12-week cycles. It's also one reason I sort of never much used gear - for all the stigma of being a juicer, I didn't feel the gains were all that great. HOWEVER...I was awfully conservative with my dosages and timeframes running things.
That being said - I DID think my 500mg testosterone enanthate weekly + Dbols + ADDED EQUIPOSE [250mg weekly - though may have been 200mg...not sure what the standard mg/mL is - but one mL/CC per week, basically] WAS an incredible cycle.
THAT was what I hoped to get out of a cycle, and it wasn't TOO much.
So it's that line I'm trying to walk - I want to use ENOUGH that I get a CLEAR and obvious boost on top of my normal program, but really no MORE than needed. Basically - JUST enough to get visible/clear results, but not beyond that.
IMO, that 500mg test E + 250mg EQ weekly, front-loaded with 25mg Dianabol daily was PERFECT.
And in fact - it leads me to believe that I don't start seeing the magic until the 750mg to 1,000mg weekly mark.
INSULIN:
This is easy enough for me to get in Canada...but this seems remarkably easy to fuck up. I remember reading a horror story where a guy on BB.com used insulin, and almost died until he acquired a 2L pop from the 7-11, after drinking it all and immediately puking it out [presumably after his body absorbed all the sugar out of it].
I would NOT use insulin unless I'm injecting it PRE-WORKOUT AND WITH MY TRAINING PARTNER PRESENT.
Period. No fucking around with insulin. My pancreas is in very good health, based on all the tests I've done, and I don't like the idea of messing with it.
That being said, Van:
I can get cheap and freely available insulin literally tomorrow. GH...gosh, isn't there a lot of fake GH around?
I could ask in my circles - it should be available. But I'm somewhat concerned about fake GH or whatever.
In the Milos thread, he was only using insulin, wasn't he [no GH]?
Would just adding insulin help? Or is insulin one of those things you need to run with GH for it to work?
The Anadrol I have is the same company/source as 2016. I am respond VERY very well to that Anadrol.
I can't speak much for the Sustanon. I don't think I responded super well to 500mg Sustanon in 2004. It was ok...
I'm not trying to go overboard here, but I DO want to run enough where I very clearly see a difference.
IMO, 750mg to 1,000mg weekly total anabolics should achieve what I'm looking for.
Also, if I had to pick between using too much or not enough - I'd want TOO MUCH...but not THAT much too much.
...you know what I mean?
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Matt, how on earth are you going to know what advice to take from so many people. If you are 40 and have trained for a long time then good luck. To compound things you have counterproductive goals. I can understand someone avoiding summer sun but a 30 year old shouldn’t make longevity a restricting goal in life. I look at your physique and we can tell you lifted heavy weights off the floor. Your shoulders have benefited from your bench presses. Restricting calories and lifting heavy = what we see in your photos. I tell you to try eating more and keep the reps over 10. Forget deadlifting. See if you can get your arms an inch bigger. When you can do that you should be able to apply that to other body parts. Increase your calories. Maybe an extra meal before going to bed. Forget about impressing Getbiggers or guys in your gym. Forget the anabolic drugs. Have some fun in life and get active dating. Stop obsessing about details! Well, you can’t help it. If I say eat 3000 calories I don’t mean exactly that many but much more than you are ingesting now. If you need specific, precise details about anything then no one can help you because you literally don’t know what to believe.
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Sure, my brother Matthammed, aside from reminding you of your rights to revenge and bodily autonomy under Islam, I'd also recommend you Jordan Peterson's new talk with Hamza Yusuf.
As for Idi Amin - he was a great man. A great leader. He exuded power and strength - which is what I want for you, too. Look at what the Government tried to do to you! They tried to lock you up. Hold you down. They tried to take CONTROL of your body! What better way is there to take the power back and say MY BODY, MY CHOICE than by becoming a sidewalk-cracking BEAST? Be proud of your mutation. Stand out from the crowd not only with your free-thinking mind, but with your bulging biceps.
Whether you are being sarcastic or not - GREAT POST!!!
But Canada may be too far gone...
My prime minister would rather be allies with communist China than with the USA.
My government will take away more and more of people's rights and claw more and more power...it's bad.
I just want to be as strong as I possibly can be, to prepare for the next series of lockdowns.
I have also come to accept - I will just be in jail if things get much worse here. It makes me very upset...but I refuse to tolerate my own government breaking the law. I just won't do it.
Everyone went along with this plandemic joke the whole time. I didn't tolerate it for one second. I wore a mask two times this entire plandemic, and only until I verified my legal rights.
But - I won this round with the police. I don't want to end up in jail over this bullshit, but - I've drawn a line in the sand over my rights, and I'll be protecting my rights.
And that's it.
Sadly, I think more lockdowns are coming to Canada. Bunch of fucking sheeple here!
As for Idi Amin - yes, he was the man! Check out his documentary on YouTube [I bought it]. Or elsewhere, if you can find it. Preview:
I am also a big fan of "The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin", which came out the year that I was born!
Idi Amin had an excellent exile in Saudi Arabia, and I attribute that to his faith in Islam!!!
He was paid $30,000 a month by the Saudi government! A nice relaxing final chapter or his life:
^ He attributes many things to his faith in God/Allah.
I recommend at least one gram of test a week plus orals.
LOL!!!!
I was thinking 750mg + orals. :)
I DID see a noticeable difference between 500mg and 750mg as a base.
Is there a big difference between 750mg and 1,000mg?
Also, someone said some retired pros take 1,000mg as TRT. Do they really take that much?
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MATT CANNING SHALL HAVE HIS REVENGE!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1372002;image)
I would like to do a little studying of Islam now.
Will I be welcome to the mosque as a curious White man?
And look at that photo...see what the plandemic joke did to me? That photo was my first month back in the gym after the joke plandemic.
I look forward to surpassing this photo:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371623;image)
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Matt, how on earth are you going to know what advice to take from so many people. If you are 40 and have trained for a long time then good luck. To compound things you have counterproductive goals. I can understand someone avoiding summer sun but a 30 year old shouldn’t make longevity a restricting goal in life. I look at your physique and we can tell you lifted heavy weights off the floor. Your shoulders have benefited from your bench presses. Restricting calories and lifting heavy = what we see in your photos.
Yes, Vince - that sums it up perfectly!!
I have always been a hard trainer generally.
I mean, who bench presses 315x8 at 170-lb drug-free, who doesn't train hard?
In one of Dave Palumbo's "Bros vs. Pros" videos, they did a 315-lb bench press for reps contest, and Andy Haman only got 20 reps.
"Only" - 20 reps of 315 is lot, but I'm just saying my hard training is sort of proven through my lift videos.
IMO, many talk - but few prove their claims.
That said, I always restricted calories, out of fear of dying young.
But my doctor has basically mandated that I eat more.
I tell you to try eating more and keep the reps over 10. Forget deadlifting. See if you can get your arms an inch bigger. When you can do that you should be able to apply that to other body parts. Increase your calories. Maybe an extra meal before going to bed. Forget about impressing Getbiggers or guys in your gym. Forget the anabolic drugs. Have some fun in life and get active dating. Stop obsessing about details! Well, you can’t help it. If I say eat 3000 calories I don’t mean exactly that many but much more than you are ingesting now. If you need specific, precise details about anything then no one can help you because you literally don’t know what to believe.
Vince - that's all well and good for AFTER my cycle.
I just want that little boost to my training that you can't get without.
Basically, to feel pumped up all the time, and to just be a bit leaner and harder at all times.
No amount of fixing my nutrition will get that.
I could bulk up to 200-lb tomorrow, but I will be a bit soft.
I could cut to 160-lb tomorrow, but I will be soft.
What I'm trying to say is - there is NOTHING I can to do get the results I'm looking for WITHOUT getting a boost.
NOT in the time frame I'm looking to do it.
Vince, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND 18 MONTHS DOING EVERYTHING PERFECTLY to get the look I'm looking for. There will be time for that later.
I want the results FASTER. While my momentum is still so high.
Also, at 40, it's questionable if I will ever be able to achieve a certain look, even if I was literally in a lab, doing everything PERFECTLY. Eating to an alarm clock, and training in an exact specific way, at the same time each day.
Ever since gyms reopened - I've been feeling RADICALLY better. I was DONE with the plandemic joke - and I explicitly wrote the police and told them THERE IS NO FUCKING LAW IN CANADA THAT ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO INSIST CANADIANS SHOW THEIR FUCKING PRIVATE MEDICAL DATA WHILE GOING TO SHOPS.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT LAW? IT DOESN'T EXIST!
So I went back and forth in communication with them, and explicitly stated that no one in the province has had the BALLS to test this vaccine passport bullshit in court - SO I WILL.
And I gave them a time and date, etc.
And told them I'd live-stream it.
Anyway, they backed down, and then the government got rid of that bullshit illegal rule because of the trucker's convoy protest.
And now, ever since being able to train at public gyms again, I've been radically better.
So my POINT in doing steroids is to keep the momentum going, and keep my well-being high.
I'm not looking for some night-and-day difference - but I've paid my dues in the gym. I've trained many hours over many years.
Now I want to literally look so svelte and sleek and sinewy, that even I stop while looking in the mirror and almost do a double take.
HOWEVER...I am NOT willing to take substantial health risks. That's why I want to keep things at the INTERMEDIATE LEVEL.
Regarding taking everyone's advice - I don't think I will be doing that once I start. I will have a definite plan by the time I start. Such as taking insulin...now we're talking about something that could cause me to die of hypoglycemia.
BIG risk - definitely need to APPROACH with caution.
If I do that, I will be making sure to have 5x 2L bottles of pop here, JUST in case, heaven forbid, I inject too much. Plus only inject when my training partner is here, etc.
And I still have at least one more health test to do before this starts.
I have basically done everything I possibly can to make sure this is done safely - if I do it, which I most likely will.
What I've come to realize is that people are so full of shit?
Do you remember Sarcasm [RIP], Vince? I got along with him, but...
HE WAS A COMPLETE FAT SLOB!
It blew my mind! So for ALL THOSE YEARS, the person behind the screen was an obese man, who was talking shit about everyone else?
UNREAL!
As I said earlier here - I was shocked walking into my first local strength contest and placing 4th.
PEOPLE ARE SUCH LYING SACKS OF SHIT.
You'd think from reading this thread, I am the first person to have done a cycle. When in reality, I'm simply one of the few people out there who is extremely honest, and not one to hide much.
The stuff that people hide scares me...again, for Sarcasm to talk so much shit, yet be a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit...blows mind!
Vince - maybe most people say they are going to do 1g of gear, and actually do 3g. But NOT ME.
My intention is to do around or just under 1g total anabolics per week - although I'm thinking I'll do a 16-week cycle now, rather than 12. But you have my word - I'm going to do exactly what I say - not 3x as much like every other lying c unt out there!
Why would I even be posting all this, if my intention was to lie?
If I'm going to do this [75%+ chance], I want to do it RIGHT.
And as a bonus - it will be nice to out-lift or otherwise outperform those talking shit behind user names.
I'm assuming many are fat, wheezing, Sarcasm-like creatures!
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I've always found I can commit better to raising my calories while I'm running gear, or even just supplements.
Let's be honest: I could "eat bro" PERFECTLY, six meals a day + sufficient water, etc, for 18 MONTHS, and wouldn't even make the progress I would running gear for 1/6th of that time.
THAT'S the reality of gear.
I understand that bodybuilding is a marathon and not a sprint, but NATURAL BODYBUILDING is...
Well...
Let's be honest - NATURAL BODYBUILDING DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.
Who the FUCK is natural? Pros who are 255-lb in contest would be 220-lb at 18% body fat without gear. THAT is the reality.
I could eat bro for the rest of the year, and MAYBE look as good as I would from using 15mg of Dianabol daily for 28 days, lol.
And how do I know that? BECAUSE I'VE DONE BOTH BEFORE.
Even the audacity of people to lie about this. Like they desperately don't want others to find out how much bodybuilding truly is ALL DRUGS. So you have people like Lou Ferrigno claiming to train for six hours a day, rather than tell the truth about the drug component, because this is to LIE to people and BRAINWASH them into thinking you have to spend a full-time job's worth of time IN THE GYM to look like a pro.
NO!
As if your normal dedicated gym rat is training that much differently from pros. The major difference in DEDICATION would to me be the NUTRITION aspect.
The rest is PED's [huge component] and GENETICS.
Yet you'd never know this reading most bodybuilding magazines! You'd think you have to train harder, when you'd make more progress adding more protein - as that is the major difference [genetics and drugs aside].
I'm not suggesting training doesn't matter, nor am I saying drugs are magic. But if I'm looking to change my physique from a noticeable visual way in 3-4 months, NOTHING is going to do that like both eating more AND using PED's.
As I said, I guarantee you - I could be in a lab "eating bro" six times a day, and training with full dedication for the next 18 months, and I would make BETTER gains just increasing my protein/calories, and using PED's for four months.
"Natural Bodybuilding"
LOL!!!!!!!
What an absolute crock of complete shit! Bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS.
THAT is why I train for strength. NOBODY amounts to Jack shit without juice! I'm not even clear if the board has agreed who is the top natural bodybuilder, because even 200-lb competitors are accused of juice! I've also seen heavy juicers get off gear and go from 315 to 215. In fact, any time a juicer gives me this bullshit about hard work, I just feel like someone is lying to my face.
Ron Jeremy [adults movie star] once said he would never use Viagra. I later read online that he had a penile implant.
I think I'm just surrounded by liars. Sarcasm is such a massive example of this. Lying sack of complete shit. Fat shit.
It is NOT POSSIBLE for me to get the results I'm trying to get WITHOUT using either steroids or supplements.THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY ANYONE USES ANY DRUG, EVER.
It's not JUST about getting to 200-lb. I have BEEN 200-lb again - but it just made my waist expand our of control.
This is me at 190-200, naturally - note the wide waist:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371624;image)
^ I can easily attain that look on gear with a smaller waist.
Weird how it's always the biggest juicers downplaying their efficacy.
I already KNOW what my results will be BECAUSE I HAVE USED STEROIDS BEFORE. I don't train for natural bodybuilding because it is FUCKING POINTLESS.
You can get quite strong naturally. You CANNOT gain any significant muscle mass naturally. And NO, BEING 200-LB AT 20% BODY FAT IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING 180-LB AT 10% BODY FAT. BECAUSE NATURALS LOSE ALL THEIR MUSCLE DIETING.
Looks that make mathematical sense off steroids CANNOT be attained without drugs! I once did everything right and cut to 157 - I was no leaner than I had been when I started at 182 - BECAUSE THE BODY ADAPTS, THAT'S THE POINT - AND THAT'S WHY STEROIDS HELP.
I want to get a look - temporarily - that would take me two years to get naturally, if I EVER get it.
Natural bodybuilding IS NOT A THING. And the REASON why I trained for strength is because even if I did EVERYTHING RIGHT, what would I be?
185-lb at 10% body fat, instead of 170 at 15% body fat? I would argue, even THAT may not be possible.
To the CONTRARY, you CAN make gains in strength naturally without eating a massive lot.
Which brings me to one last point:
I DON'T WANT TO DEDICATE TO NATURAL BODYBUILDING. Even if I COULD get the same result in 18 months, as 3-4 months of gear. I DON'T WANT to be eating all day, shitting all day, shopping for protein all day. And ultimately - not being any healthier.
I just want a one-and-done experience, pushing my limits a little.
It's nice to do that just to have proof of what you are capable of.
I have NO PROBLEM doing whatever training is necessary to achieve a certain look - but I DO NOT WANT to triple my calories in the long-term for this.
I'm also doing this noe because it looks like I need to double my calories anyway - so I may as well do that, set those habits, and benefit from a one-off cycle.
I have NO INTEREST in spending one or two years to get the same result from natural bodybuilding. EVEN IF I COULD GET THE SAME RESULTS, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY NOT POSSIBLE.
I just want to do this one-off cycle, enjoy women looking at me while I'm out walking [happens anyway - but looking forward for that to rise], and just go back to eating like a bird and training for strength.
It's not the training that has ever turned me off - it's the EATING.
I also don't think it's healthy to bulk up, even naturally.
I want to do this once, make it meaningful, enjoy the short ride while it lasts, and then likely never, ever do it again.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet I will never do it again.
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Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371666;image)
This is the sort of physique I am shooting for.
I would like to look like that, but unfortunately, my chest genetics suck.
However, if I could look at my previous best + 5-lb of muscle, I'd be happy.
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INSULIN:
This is easy enough for me to get in Canada...but this seems remarkably easy to fuck up. I remember reading a horror story where a guy on BB.com used insulin, and almost died until he acquired a 2L pop from the 7-11, after drinking it all and immediately puking it out [presumably after his body absorbed all the sugar out of it].
I would NOT use insulin unless I'm injecting it PRE-WORKOUT AND WITH MY TRAINING PARTNER PRESENT.
Period. No fucking around with insulin. My pancreas is in very good health, based on all the tests I've done, and I don't like the idea of messing with it.
That being said, Van:
I can get cheap and freely available insulin literally tomorrow. GH...gosh, isn't there a lot of fake GH around?
I could ask in my circles - it should be available. But I'm somewhat concerned about fake GH or whatever.
In the Milos thread, he was only using insulin, wasn't he [no GH]?
Would just adding insulin help? Or is insulin one of those things you need to run with GH for it to work?
In my hypothetical scenario insulin would only play a small part. But since it's nontoxic and IMO safe there's no reason not to use it. I would only do some Lantus a couple of days a week and small doses of fast acting insulin around workouts. There is virtually zero risk of fucking up Lantus and the same is true of small doses of fast insulins. The purpose would be to increase igf-1, increase recovery, pumps, antiinflammatory, increase appetite. It would only play a relatively small part but it would add a little something at low cost healthwise. Regarding insulin being easy to fuck up, it's actually remarkably hard to really fuck up bad. Episodes of hypoglycemia are common but since the mid 90s I have heard of ZERO deaths from insulin. Imagine that, it was supposed to kill off a large percentage of users. That said, it has to be respected, if you are unlucky there might be serious consequences and really embarrassing episodes. But at low dosages even these don't occur as a rule. The reason I even mentioned insulin at all is to make people think of how PED use used to be constructed. It was steroids for a few years, then you added GH and perhaps insuln once you were pro. But why? Isn't it more logical to optimize all possible growth mechanisms from the start? What used to take 10 years to achieve could maybe be achieved in 2 years, just to give a hypothetical example. You would expose your body to LESS total drugs and wear and tear for a given physique level. While I think insulin is WAY WAY weaker for building muscle than steroids and less important than GH, some like Milos claim that if they could only use one of these it would be insulin.
I don't know what GH you have available but from what I've seen on forums there's verified high quality GH available for cheap in the US. Chinese generics. Same could be true of Canada, I don't know but I would guess so. Supposedly some suppliers sell 10iu bottles that are actually 15-20iu according to lab tests. That's no good, the dosage should be within half an iu of label claim, not overdosed, but it does show there's real underground GH made. They have also tested purity and amount of "wrong" aminos and some generics are pharma quality.
If I were you I wouldn't go higher than 500mg of test to start. I would preferally add some orals and GH before I started perhaps increasing the test. Yes, just 250mg of test would give gains like these other fellas say but I'm assuming you're doing only one cycle and then calling it quits for a good while. Just 250mg of test for 16 weeks would be disappointing for sure. Going on trt for life and not wanting to compete and get as strong as possible, yes you could argue for 250mg. Even less could work for some gains depending on how you metabolize test. I'm talking optimizing results in a short window doing it as safe as possible. Hankins is right, I think 500mg is a reasonable middle of the road test dosage when aiming for PED results.
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In my hypothetical scenario insulin would only play a small part. But since it's nontoxic and IMO safe there's no reason not to use it. I would only do some Lantus a couple of days a week and small doses of fast acting insulin around workouts. There is virtually zero risk of fucking up Lantus and the same is true of small doses of fast insulins. The purpose would be to increase igf-1, increase recovery, pumps, antiinflammatory, increase appetite. It would only play a relatively small part but it would add a little something at low cost healthwise. Regarding insulin being easy to fuck up, it's actually remarkably hard to really fuck up bad. Episodes of hypoglycemia are common but since the mid 90s I have heard of ZERO deaths from insulin. Imagine that, it was supposed to kill off a large percentage of users. That said, it has to be respected, if you are unlucky there might be serious consequences and really embarrassing episodes. But at low dosages even these don't occur as a rule. The reason I even mentioned insulin at all is to make people think of how PED use used to be constructed. It was steroids for a few years, then you added GH and perhaps insuln once you were pro. But why? Isn't it more logical to optimize all possible growth mechanisms from the start? What used to take 10 years to achieve could maybe be achieved in 2 years, just to give a hypothetical example. You would expose your body to LESS total drugs and wear and tear for a given physique level. While I think insulin is WAY WAY weaker for building muscle than steroids and less important than GH, some like Milos claim that if they could only use one of these it would be insulin.
I don't know what GH you have available but from what I've seen on forums there's verified high quality GH available for cheap in the US. Chinese generics. Same could be true of Canada, I don't know but I would guess so. Supposedly some suppliers sell 10iu bottles that are actually 15-20iu according to lab tests. That's no good, the dosage should be within half an iu of label claim, not overdosed, but it does show there's real underground GH made. They have also tested purity and amount of "wrong" aminos and some generics are pharma quality.
If I were you I wouldn't go higher than 500mg of test to start. I would preferally add some orals and GH before I started perhaps increasing the test. Yes, just 250mg of test would give gains like these other fellas say but I'm assuming you're doing only one cycle and then calling it quits for a good while. Just 250mg of test for 16 weeks would be disappointing for sure. Going on trt for life and not wanting to compete and get as strong as possible, yes you could argue for 250mg. Even less could work for some gains depending on how you metabolize test. I'm talking optimizing results in a short window doing it as safe as possible. Hankins is right, I think 500mg is a reasonable middle of the road test dosage when aiming for PED results.
One thing that turned me off from PED's is that I'd use them once, bulk up and look better, then a year later, look the same.
I thought to myself - why bother? Why put the time, money, and effort in if you are just going to look the same after?
While another Getbigger told me to use GH too, wouldn't this radically change my physique, only to look exactly the same within 6-9-12 months, or however long it takes to lose all your gains?
But there's one more thing - wouldn't the more gear you add, the more likely you are to crash after?
So with a really decent cycle, I'd make fantastic gains for a few months, maybe keep it for a few months [Tom Prince legitimately went from 280-lb to likely under 200-lb from July 2003 to July 2004], then not only lose it all, but ALSO have side effects to deal with?
I guess you've probably figured out why I would only do a 1-month Dbol only cycle every three years.
Quick in, quick out, barely any side effects, and I never used PCT [perhaps that explains my low normal test now, but...I can't imagine five oral cycles without PCT in 15 years causing that].
I guess what I'm saying here, Van - is:
I am psychologically prepared for - and continually further preparing myself for - knowing I'll lose all my gains after the cycle is over.
This is part of why I don't want to do anything TOO dramatic...
THAT BEING SAID...
This is a one and done thing.
Now that I fully see how completely fucking fake this whole industry is, and seeing the young deaths, and seeing however many bodybuilders shrink to nothing upon retirement, etc, and seeing a local bodybuilder recently need open heart surgery before he turned 45 [possibly vaccine-related], and have a mental breakdown from no longer getting Likes on social media...it just reiterated to me the importance of not investing your self-esteem into something you don't have full control over.
I don't want my identity to be attached to my "Gorilla Suit" [when in reality, guys like Bob Paris would be 180 lean, with decent muscle bellies and nothing more].
So ultimately I am almost certain this will be, effectively, my only REAL cycle - do it once while I'm still young enough to make gains, do it right, and know I will never look that way ever again.
For many reasons - including to answer the question of how things could have been for me had I ran gear. Although I already know I don't have very good bodybuilding genetics. Good delts...but not much more.
If I have a question here, maybe it's this:
If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?
Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.
So let's just say, this is available to me:
- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin
^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.
Not sure on the GH though.
But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.
I'll have to ask about the GH.
Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.
I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.
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I would like to do a little studying of Islam now.
Will I be welcome to the mosque as a curious White man?
And look at that photo...see what the plandemic joke did to me? That photo was my first month back in the gym after the joke plandemic.
I look forward to surpassing this photo:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371623;image)
Why the fuck would you want to study Islam?
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Why the fuck would you want to study Islam?
Matt is being groomed by a terrorist. I fear for his health.
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One thing that turned me off from PED's is that I'd use them once, bulk up and look better, then a year later, look the same.
I thought to myself - why bother? Why put the time, money, and effort in if you are just going to look the same after?
While another Getbigger told me to use GH too, wouldn't this radically change my physique, only to look exactly the same within 6-9-12 months, or however long it takes to lose all your gains?
But there's one more thing - wouldn't the more gear you add, the more likely you are to crash after?
So with a really decent cycle, I'd make fantastic gains for a few months, maybe keep it for a few months [Tom Prince legitimately went from 280-lb to likely under 200-lb from July 2003 to July 2004], then not only lose it all, but ALSO have side effects to deal with?
I guess you've probably figured out why I would only do a 1-month Dbol only cycle every three years.
Quick in, quick out, barely any side effects, and I never used PCT [perhaps that explains my low normal test now, but...I can't imagine five oral cycles without PCT in 15 years causing that].
I guess what I'm saying here, Van - is:
I am psychologically prepared for - and continually further preparing myself for - knowing I'll lose all my gains after the cycle is over.
This is part of why I don't want to do anything TOO dramatic...
THAT BEING SAID...
This is a one and done thing.
Now that I fully see how completely fucking fake this whole industry is, and seeing the young deaths, and seeing however many bodybuilders shrink to nothing upon retirement, etc, and seeing a local bodybuilder recently need open heart surgery before he turned 45 [possibly vaccine-related], and have a mental breakdown from no longer getting Likes on social media...it just reiterated to me the importance of not investing your self-esteem into something you don't have full control over.
I don't want my identity to be attached to my "Gorilla Suit" [when in reality, guys like Bob Paris would be 180 lean, with decent muscle bellies and nothing more].
So ultimately I am almost certain this will be, effectively, my only REAL cycle - do it once while I'm still young enough to make gains, do it right, and know I will never look that way ever again.
For many reasons - including to answer the question of how things could have been for me had I ran gear. Although I already know I don't have very good bodybuilding genetics. Good delts...but not much more.
If I have a question here, maybe it's this:
If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?
Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.
So let's just say, this is available to me:
- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin
^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.
Not sure on the GH though.
But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.
I'll have to ask about the GH.
Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.
I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.
Matt while I’m no van bilderass I’m just gonna say for your goals I would just take a little test and an oral and judging from what you want I would take anavar with the test. That way you get strong and don’t become a bloat bag and lose it all when your done. Also steer clear of GH and most definitely insulin. You want a mild cycle and fear for your health so insulin should be as far off the table as possible.
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Remember how Sarcasm would trash everyone's physique, then it turned out he was a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit?
🍔
Just the audacity of that fat man talking shit about anyone else. And even if he DID bench press the 360-370 he claimed - HE WEIGHED 320-LB.
I'll bet any money Walter Sobchak is like that.
The people I have respect for [even IF they talk shit] are:
- People who post using their real name.
- People who have stars in their username.
- People who post quality work, regardless of anonymity status.
I may not be thrilled reading a post by Vince Goodrum trashing me BUT he has my respect for putting himself out there online.
I've just been thinking lately - is Walter Sobchak yet ANOTHER obese Sarcasm-type poster on the other end of the screen. 🙄
Nobody who actually IS in shape feels the need to trash people in worse shape than them. Why would they? The results speak for themselves.
In hindsight, Sarcasm was just a piece of shit BECAUSE he was a fat, disgusting slob.
Just remembering that about Sarcasm, made me wonder if we have another fat Sarcasm-type on our hands. I suspect we do.
As for me - I did my third deadlift workout, and I am back to 405-lb now. I wanted to max out before going on PED's, but & meh. I see no reason to wait any longer. I've been way too cautious all my life.
Time to just do a decent cycle. If I run into side effects, I'll jump ship.
I just want to get some idea of how I would look, if on.
That being said, it annoys me what a sham bodybuilding is. I used to think bodybuilding is all hard training. But, with experience, I feel bodybuilding is primarily hard work in the KITCHEN + genetics/PED's, and training being the variable we have the most leeway with.
Let me put that another way:
Natural bodybuilding REALLY isn't a thing. I can't IMAGINE any sub-six foot bodybuilder even hitting 200-lb in contest shape. What was Layne Norton? 5'10.5" and 189-lb, right?
I'd say that's about the max, honestly. Am I wrong? If so, what is the max?
Genetics matter a LOT. PED's will GROW your muscles, but the natural muscle shape is genetic. I only have ONE area that has a good genetic shape - shoulders. So I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SUCCEED ANYONE.
LET ALONE WITHOUT PED'S.
The magazines were full of lies that make people think anyone can do it!
And FINALLY, I'd have to say training and nutrition is 30/70.
Maybe 40/60.
But IMO, nutrition is more important than training for BODYBUILDING.
Though both are important, but I think if you had to give 100% to one, and 50% to the other, you'd look better giving 100% to nutrition.
Is that wrong?
Lastly - because I'm sure the average 40-year-old man looks like this, right?
HAHAHAHAHAHA, what an absolute pathetic piece of shit. Probably another 320-lb fatass like Sarcasm!
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This Mark Wahlberg comparison was cool:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=679166.msg9793027#msg9793027
But yeah, I want to look like a 320-lb fatass.
Ultimately, I have constraints:
Health and looks/aesthetics are two major constraints. Health is the big one.
I wish bodybuilding wasn't so FUCKING UNHEALTHY.
Shit, even natural bodybuilding isn't "healthy". Anything involving weight gain isn't going to be healthy.
But - for this ONE CYCLE...fuck it.
It will be cool to see the transformation.
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Remember how Sarcasm would trash everyone's physique, then it turned out he was a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit?
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Just the audacity of that fat man talking shit about anyone else. And even if he DID bench press the 360-370 he claimed - HE WEIGHED 320-LB.
I'll bet any money Walter Sobchak is like that.
The people I have respect for [even IF they talk shit] are:
- People who post using their real name.
- People who have stars in their username.
- People who post quality work, regardless of anonymity status.
I may not be thrilled reading a post by Vince Goodrum trashing me BUT he has my respect for putting himself out there online.
I've just been thinking lately - is Walter Sobchak yet ANOTHER obese Sarcasm-type poster on the other end of the screen. 🙄
Nobody who actually IS in shape feels the need to trash people in worse shape than them. Why would they? The results speak for themselves.
In hindsight, Sarcasm was just a piece of shit BECAUSE he was a fat, disgusting slob.
Just remembering that about Sarcasm, made me wonder if we have another fat Sarcasm-type on our hands. I suspect we do.
As for me - I did my third deadlift workout, and I am back to 405-lb now. I wanted to max out before going on PED's, but & meh. I see no reason to wait any longer. I've been way too cautious all my life.
Time to just do a decent cycle. If I run into side effects, I'll jump ship.
I just want to get some idea of how I would look, if on.
That being said, it annoys me what a sham bodybuilding is. I used to think bodybuilding is all hard training. But, with experience, I feel bodybuilding is primarily hard work in the KITCHEN + genetics/PED's, and training being the variable we have the most leeway with.
Let me put that another way:
Natural bodybuilding REALLY isn't a thing. I can't IMAGINE any sub-six foot bodybuilder even hitting 200-lb in contest shape. What was Layne Norton? 5'10.5" and 189-lb, right?
I'd say that's about the max, honestly. Am I wrong? If so, what is the max?
Genetics matter a LOT. PED's will GROW your muscles, but the natural muscle shape is genetic. I only have ONE area that has a good genetic shape - shoulders. So I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SUCCEED ANYONE.
LET ALONE WITHOUT PED'S.
The magazines were full of lies that make people think anyone can do it!
And FINALLY, I'd have to say training and nutrition is 30/70.
Maybe 40/60.
But IMO, nutrition is more important than training for BODYBUILDING.
Though both are important, but I think if you had to give 100% to one, and 50% to the other, you'd look better giving 100% to nutrition.
Is that wrong?
Lastly - because I'm sure the average 40-year-old man looks like this, right?
HAHAHAHAHAHA, what an absolute pathetic piece of shit. Probably another 320-lb fatass like Sarcasm!
"Nutrition" in bodybuilding is code for drugs.
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Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires
you need to be careful, you may get your head stuck in the tyre
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If I have a question here, maybe it's this:
If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?
Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.
So let's just say, this is available to me:
- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin
^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.
Not sure on the GH though.
But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.
I'll have to ask about the GH.
Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.
I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.
You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.
Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.
I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.
And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.
Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.
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You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.
Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.
I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.
And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.
Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.
That was a good post.
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Matt while I’m no van bilderass I’m just gonna say for your goals I would just take a little test and an oral and judging from what you want I would take anavar with the test. That way you get strong and don’t become a bloat bag and lose it all when your done. Also steer clear of GH and most definitely insulin. You want a mild cycle and fear for your health so insulin should be as far off the table as possible.
You know...one reason why I didn't really pursue PED's was due to my lackluster first couple of cycles.
I guess I was such an extreme ectomorph [as well as young], that they just didn't impress me that much.
Perhaps running minimal cycles for 12 weeks only was part of the problem?
I can tell you - my 2006 cycle was exellent:
500mg testosterone enanthate.
250mg EQ [^ both weekly].
25mg Dianabol [daily].
Now THAT was a cycle...
Also, all my wimpy oral cycles under 20mg daily for a month were all effective.
Is it that there is no point in running test for only 12 weeks, because that is when it just starts kicking in?
Maybe that's why I found the orals effective, but not the oil bases I was running.
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You know...one reason why I didn't really pursue PED's was due to my lackluster first couple of cycles.
I guess I was such an extreme ectomorph [as well as young], that they just didn't impress me that much.
Perhaps running minimal cycles for 12 weeks only was part of the problem?
I can tell you - my 2006 cycle was exellent:
500mg testosterone enanthate.
250mg EQ [^ both weekly].
25mg Dianabol [daily].
Now THAT was a cycle...
Also, all my wimpy oral cycles under 20mg daily for a month were all effective.
Is it that there is no point in running test for only 12 weeks, because that is when it just starts kicking in?
Maybe that's why I found the orals effective, but not the oil bases I was running.
That’s prob it, I remember doing test a long time ago and I would just run it till I felt like coming off, I was on for 2 years straight while mixing in deca and eq off and on. But to me the best cycles were low dose orals as well. Dbol at 20mgs a day for 8 weeks was my favorite. Also a bombs for 4 weeks was crazy as well. You are strong and look good and I think you would look great and get what you want off another low dose cycle. Run test for 20 weeks and do the dbol for 6 then break then take another oral for 6 weeks and be done. I’m sure you will be strong as an ox. But I sit here with low test and dr script that’s been filled and I still haven’t taken it yet. So I’m speaking from my past self as now I’m afraid to shoot dr prescribed, haha.
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You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.
Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.
I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.
And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.
Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.
Thanks Van.
I am concerned about fake - or even overdosed - GH.
Would anabolics and insulin be ok?
I can GUARANTEE the purity of the insulin - more than the actual anabolics. GH...I'd have to put out feelers such my juicer friends, to see who has access.
Come to think of it - I have a friend who uses GH, but we haven't spoke for a year.
One thing just came up - so my doctor wants to rule out autoimmune diseases, that are correlated with high TSH / slow thyroid. But this seems unlikely, since the only thing off is my TSH [my Thyroxine is fine, and within range].
But here's the thing - it took me FOUR MONTHS to acquire the requisition form from him last time. And I definitely don't want to wait four months this time out.
So I think I'm going to ask him if he will have the requisition form for me by...I don't know...Monday, call it?
And if not, just start the cycle.
I really want to get going on this, and start seeing results before summer ends.
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Thanks Van.
I am concerned about fake - or even overdosed - GH.
Would anabolics and insulin be ok?
I can GUARANTEE the purity of the insulin - more than the actual anabolics. GH...I'd have to put out feelers such my juicer friends, to see who has access.
Come to think of it - I have a friend who uses GH, but we haven't spoke for a year.
One thing just came up - so my doctor wants to rule out autoimmune diseases, that are correlated with high TSH / slow thyroid. But this seems unlikely, since the only thing off is my TSH [my Thyroxine is fine, and within range].
But here's the thing - it took me FOUR MONTHS to acquire the requisition form from him last time. And I definitely don't want to wait four months this time out.
So I think I'm going to ask him if he will have the requisition form for me by...I don't know...Monday, call it?
And if not, just start the cycle.
I really want to get going on this, and start seeing results before summer ends.
You will not find over dosed GH.
Almost all UG GH is junk
If you are getting pens or kits for under **** amount they are fake.
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That’s prob it, I remember doing test a long time ago and I would just run it till I felt like coming off, I was on for 2 years straight while mixing in deca and eq off and on. But to me the best cycles were low dose orals as well. Dbol at 20mgs a day for 8 weeks was my favorite. Also a bombs for 4 weeks was crazy as well. You are strong and look good and I think you would look great and get what you want off another low dose cycle. Run test for 20 weeks and do the dbol for 6 then break then take another oral for 6 weeks and be done. I’m sure you will be strong as an ox. But I sit here with low test and dr script that’s been filled and I still haven’t taken it yet. So I’m speaking from my past self as now I’m afraid to shoot dr prescribed, haha.
Yes!
What turned me off from test was just not feeling by any means blown away by the effects.
Yet 15mg daily of Axio Labs Dbol, or literally one half of an Anadrol 50mg pill every SECOND day was enough to produce a decent result.
But I can tell you, Rob - I HATE eating. That's why I've always trained hard, but never pushed by body weight up - be it on gear or naturally.
Historically, I've definitely gone as long as six months on a perfect bodybuilding diet. Maybe even a year straight. Maybe longer. But I always revert back to my regular diet, of barely eating.
I also don't need to do natural bodybuilding to know how bad it sucks.
But I know I can devote to 3-4 months or whatever doing EVERYTHING right...just for that experience.
I have some heavyweight Strongmen friends who loved the training without the dietary discipline. It's the SAME THING WITH ME - but rather than eating too much, I eat too little!
Thanks for the advice on this, Rob. I am basically certain I will be doing something...I'm only not sure on the exact cycle details yet.
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This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead
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Matt, when anabolic steroids first appeared in the late fifties bodybuilders soon experimented with them but kept any results to themselves or shared with close friends. The rest of us knew nothing about them except they worked. The magazines warned about possible side effects such as cancer. In those days one had to be reckless to gamble with health. I searched the medical journals at university and the consensus was anabolic steroids didn’t work. Reminds me of your mediocre results in the past. Why did bodybuilders know that Dianabol worked but the researchers didn’t? Simple answer…unless calories are increased substantially little hypertrophy will occur. Trying anabolics without increasing food intake will not deliver satisfactory gains. You should know all this but your brain requires specific, accurate information before you can proceed. Does anyone here expect you to change the way you look? You have plenty of people here who you have to show!
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Off-topic...but was Layne Norton natural??
I mean, what's the consensus on that?
https://web.archive.org/web/20100204123420/www.bodybuildingpro.com/laynenorton.html
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This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead
Lol!!!
You know me too well, B. Hank.
Nah - I'm it in this time.
Initially, I was up for doing 750mg to 1,000mg total anabolics for 12 weeks. Now I realized that I previously employed the precautionary principle run amok in my only real cycles from 2004-2005-2006.
Twelve weeks was not enough time. I mean, heck - when does testosterone even kick in? Weeks 4-8 somewhere? By "kick in", I mean when you would truly sense it as the end user.
This is why since 2006, I only did about maybe 4-5 wimpy oral cycles...because even that little boost from 15mg of Dianabol daily for a month was effective.
I have never truly done a real oil-base gear cycle [for any REAL length of time - not just 8-12 weeks].
So my plan would be 750mg of oil + orals, to total 750-1,000 milligrams of total anabolics.
Honestly, I was not thinking insulin and GH and everything. My pancreas is in phenomenal health, and I worry about messing it up and becoming diabetic, but that's probably an ignorant statement.
When a retired pro [BFG - probably Tom Prince] posted here, he said that Dennis Wolf was afraid of eating a meal without insulin. I do NOT want that.
I'm doing this for a quick fix type summer look - because I enjoy seeing heads turn when I leave the gym in a tank top. I'll go post some screenshots from videos that show what I'm talking about.
B. Hank - I KNOW that people turn their head and look at you when you're out in a tank top. Despite all the claims made on here to the contrary, not many people look like you.
I know wes and Vince B. have had people look at them like this too. You need not be an IFBB pro to have people turn their heads.
I would also like that "shelf" look for my chest that you and wes have, but let's be honest - steroids are not magic.
I'm eager to see how big my delts get though. And I have ok arms too, in a tank top.
If I get any physical or mental health issues from the cycle, I can cut it off and commence PCT.
Time will tell, but - I'm ready to start within T minus ten days.
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Matt, when anabolic steroids first appeared in the late fifties bodybuilders soon experimented with them but kept any results to themselves or shared with close friends. The rest of us knew nothing about them except they worked. The magazines warned about possible side effects such as cancer. In those days one had to be reckless to gamble with health. I searched the medical journals at university and the consensus was anabolic steroids didn’t work. Reminds me of your mediocre results in the past. Why did bodybuilders know that Dianabol worked but the researchers didn’t? Simple answer…unless calories are increased substantially little hypertrophy will occur. Trying anabolics without increasing food intake will not deliver satisfactory gains. You should know all this but your brain requires specific, accurate information before you can proceed. Does anyone here expect you to change the way you look? You have plenty of people here who you have to show!
I'm willing to fully "eat bro" for the course of this cycle.
I'm not starting unless I have a one month supply of food in my fridge.
Let me tell you - I HATE eating. It's a very natural state for me to be in a caloric deficit. But for 16 weeks, I'm all in when it comes to this cycle.
I can revert back to 170 after. Though I may settle at about 182, which is about the heaviest I can get without my waist expanding.
My waist is 29" at 170-lb, but I can an inch on my waist for every 5-lb I gain naturally. I don't mind a 31" waist at just about 180-lb, but I don't want a 33" waist at 190 - though I MAY be willing to go to that size.
My selection in being so light for so many years was for a combination of reasons - health, aesthetics...women. I got to a physique that women liked, and that factored in to my motivation.
Health was my biggest constraint though.
That being said - I don't mind ignoring my health worries just for one cycle. All my health tests have been good - not just good, but perfect. And that includes an ultrasound of my heart, and an ultrasound of lower digestive tract.
Heck, even my dental health is perfect.
No reason not to do a one-off cycle.
Also, I want the memories. And natural bodybuilding sucks...I picked the right sport for being drug-free.
You know I competed in local strongman contests between 2011 to 2016, and I did ok, against men out-weighing me by anywhere from 20-130 pounds. Finally, Canada got weight classes for strongman in 2016, and I did my first one in 2017, and BOOM - 18th in Canada in my weight class.
I always enjoyed progress in the gym eating like a bird, but still getting stronger from one workout to the next. But natural bodybuilding, even if I did it for a decade, would have amounted to...what...being 185-lb at 10% body fat? If that?
The human body has no reason to hold muscle.
Also, it will be nice to bulk up without my waist growing - and I really can't do that without steroids.
I look at it this way - I'm 40 now. How many years do I have left to look my best? Not too many, before my skin starts to get loose, and waist expands, etc.
I want to do this while I can still make results similar to when I was 25-30-35...and the window for that is getting shorter by the day.
I can keep the momentum going for 16 weeks. But natural bodybuilding for years would bore me. Let's be honest...who gains muscle naturally?
I just want to do it, and...let the chips fall where they may.
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I just mind my own business in the gym...and I am always intrigued watching videos and noting people watching the full lift when I didn't even notice.
And leaving the gym in a tank top after a chest day pump - people look. There was once a woman driving waiting at a red lighhhh - pulled as close to the walkway as she could...creeping up, ready to drive off as soon as it turned green. I then walked up, to cross perpendicular to her, but the light was amber.
The light then went green, and she waited a second, and without looking right at her, I could see her head turned at me.
Happens all the time. And that's me at 170. I can't imagine the ego trip bodybuilders get, being looked at all the time.
So I just want that to be amplified a bit. Enjoy the ego trip...and then go back to my normal shape - still in good everyday shape, but not that tight and pumped look you can only really get from gear.
Also - it's not like I've never used gear. I know the outcome, and I like it. I don't want to depend on steroids, but I do want the memories.
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^ That Black dude in the picture later befriended me because he is was so impressed with my lifts.
HOWEVER...I think I've figured it out: it's not that my lifts are that impressive. It's seeing a guy MY SIZE putting 225 on the bar, and benching it for 20 reps, weighing 170. THAT is why people watch me in the gym.
As for why people look at me in a tank top - I think it's because I have a physique that's sort of attainable. But ultimately, it's nice to have people look at you like that.
Why does anyone train, really? Looking good to others definitely plays a role.
But I'm going into this knowing it will be a temporary thing. But then again - what isn't?
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The human body has no reason to hold muscle.
I just want to do it, and...let the chips fall where they may.
Hypertrophy is the body's response to certain demands put on it. This overcompensation is related to specific stresses encountered or applied. If you understand hypertrophy you can control what happens to your muscles...more or less. It isn't as easy as most people think. So you have to stress your muscles and increase the stimulus over a period of time so adaptation is triggered. Avoid the Repeated Bout Effect. What works this week might not be sufficient to stimulate growth in the future. In a nutshell, warm up properly then increase the load until you can just do 10 reps. Start with light weights and do many more reps. When you reach the resistance that allows only 10 reps to reasonable failure rest a few minutes and keep doing sets with that same maximum weight for another 5 sets. If not sore the next day in those muscles you have to do something different. Avoid exercises that are hard to do but deliver little in the way of additional muscle. Eg., deadlifts. I doubt you will listen to this good advice. Who cares what you can deadlift except powerlifters? Get big arms and better than thin legs. You already have the shoulders.
The chips don't fall where they may when it comes to physiological processes. Understand what is required, select the method to achieve growth, and apply the protocols progressively and intensely, plus eat what you need to allow growth to occur. The test I use to determine if growth has occurred is to aim for DOMS or Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness in the target muscles. It probably isn't possible or desirable to generate DOMS in all muscles each week so pick 2 or at most 3 to get sore. I did arms and calves for a month and gained an inch on both. No drugs or supplements used. You have to avoid injury so exercise selection and how you do them is important.
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Dude----calm down. stop analyzing everything like a chick and posting like girls talk....endless and random.
Take the juice, eat. Post less
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This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead
When you're right you're right. Matt going on and on about some intricate cycle he's never going to take
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Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.
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When you're right you're right. Matt going on and on about some intricate cycle he's never going to take
;D ;D ;D
Very small chance people like MCWAY can talk me out of it.
But now that I have done extensive medical tests including - blood test, urine test, heart ultrasound, lower digestive tract ultrasound, blood pressure tests multiple times, blood sugar tests multiple times, and the only result outside of the normal range was my thyroid, ironically from not eating ENOUGH in a plight to be so healthy, it just made me stop and ask myself why the fuck I'm so scared to live.
So now being so cautious and conservative has prevented me from using PED's in any serious way, when I am one of the most dedicated gym rats I know.
For MCWAY to say I shouldn't use - well then, WHO THE FUCK SHOULD?
As for "eating more" - pfft. Yeah, I can bulk up to 200-lb with a 35" waist...sure. or I could be 185-lb, and much tighter with a 30" waist on PED's.
Tell me something, ChristopherA - is it wrong for me to sys this cycle is about as unhealthy as a summer of drinking?
People here [MCWAY] should be talking me IN to using...not talking me OUT of it. I talked myself out of it for years.
And NO, I don't want to do this naturally, lol. I'm doing this for bette workouts, better and MORE PRONOUNCED AND PROLONGED PUMPS - none of which I can get naturally even IF I do EVERYTHING right. As for "Why not eat perfectly, instead of use juice?" Why not do both?
Also, I don't want to be eating six meals a day and drinking a gallon of water a day or more for months on end. I want the results of 18 months, compacted into 3-4 months, if not better results. ONLY juice will do that.
That all said, I am thinking 750-1,000mg of total gear weekly. I am not thinking of GH or insulin.
If this one-off cycle goes well, I can always add GH next year. Since I get VASTLY better pumps off wimpy oral cycles, I'm assuming 750mg of oil-based gear for 16 weeks on top of that should be incredible.
I want to do a cycle so I can make the same gains from 18 months of doing everything right, in only 3-4 months of doing everything right. I have NO INTEREST in the eating, the drinking [water], and all the pissing and shitting it will take to get to the physique level I want to *temporarily* achieve. I want to do that faster. Which is ultimately the reason *anyone* uses steroids.
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Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.
Ah yes - the Getbig psychologist.
I covered all of this extensively, and there is nothing wrong with me psychologically.
Except being infuriated at the actions of my government.
Do you realize there was basically a two-year lockdown in Canada? Maybe that didn't impact YOU, but unfortunately it impacted me.
And I straight up wrote my city's police service - I'm not complying with ANY of this stuff.
I e-mailed the district health unit in my city and said if they do a door-to-door vaccination program, I'd respond to it like a murder attempt.
Sounds insane right? Listen, dude - YOU can submit and comply to this globohomo forever-lockdown bullshit as much as YOU want...I won't be doing shit!
And if the police want me to comply:
THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING LAW.
I'm sure you got your vaccine like a good boy. ::)
I want ALL my Getbig friends to know this - and ALL of my friends and family and EVERYONE to know this. I don't comply with tyranny. I have an EXPECTATION that my government abide by the law.
You make it sound like I would just target random people: anyone I might ever do anything to specifically did something to me.
Just like the cop whose face I smashed in 2007, after he repeatedly stopped and searched me because one of my university friends I was hanging out with had an opiate problem.
I told that fuck about half a dozen times to let it go - that I'd inform my lawyer...seek justice. But he didn't listen.
But after I smashed his face and the matter went to court, he eventually had to listen to the judge. :)
OlympiaGym:
If you think I would harm or assault someone, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I have no tolerance for shit in real life - a couple of times INCLUDING WITH THE POLICE - I have had to explain I will use physical force if they violate my rights.
And - just like my pandemic issue with the police - I was given written assurance that my rights wouldn't be violated.
So if you think I would hurt someone - YOU'RE FUCKING RIGHT I WOULD. And that includes anyone violating my rights, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
Thank God for the truckers - that's all I can say.
But anyway, OlympiaGym, if you think I'd hurt random people, you are absolutely wrong.
And FYI - I have experience doing the first [targeting someone in self-defense], but no history of harming an innocent person.
So if you think I would hurt someone, all I can say: yes, I would. But that person absolutely had it coming. Also, I don't want to live under communism. And I know I won't tolerate my government breaking the law.
So I may be in jail within the next 10-15 years. And I've accepted that. I'm not going to sit and comply as China takes over Canada. That's absurd. ::)
As for my mental state otherwise - yeah...MALAISE.
GEE, I WONDER IF THAT WAS BECAUSE GYMS WERE CLOSED FOR 500 DAYS HERE, AND I WAS SETTLING MASSIVE LEGAL FUCKING ACTION CASE WITH THR POLICE ON MY TOWN.
Next time, I'll just comply the whole time like you did. ::)
Fuck that.
Gyms are open now - and if ANYONE attempts to enforce pandemic shit on me in the future..yeah...I'll probably end up in jail.
So?
I had a specific mental problem SPECIFICALLY caused by nearly two years of lockdowns. NO FUCKING SHIT I WOULD. Three of my friends lost over $100,000 during the plandemic joke. Another friend lost TWO FRIENDS to suicide.
But you noticed I had a hard time with the plandemic, OlympiaGym? INCREDIBLE. I wonder if the 16% increase in suicides in Japan in 2020 would suggest I was the only one? ::)
But yeah, I did struggle badly with the plandemic. I just hate that I spent a year of it fighting a fucking legal case against the cops. That took a lot out of me - but it's over now. Hopefully for a while.
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I think you need to buy a couple of DVDs on gym etiquette
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Out of curiosity...what should I do during the next plandemic joke?
Should I just comply like every other sheep in the world, and even on this board?
It's not in my nature to comply to tyranny, unless I agree with it.
For a much more lethal pandemic, I would have complied - even if I wasn't legally required to.
I didn't comply because I knew this pandemic was a joke.
However, it did take a mental toll doing so. I STILL think I did the right thing [and God bless the truckers].
So for the next pandemic, should I just comply?
If Canadians want to be subjugated...fuck 'em.
I DO NOT think I should comply. But...I'm open minded about that.
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I think you need to buy a couple of DVDs on gym etiquette
DVD's?
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Ok first let me say I am flattered Matt wants to look like me. But if that is the case why not listen to me and do what I do. You are not going to look like me at 180lbs I do actually weigh 215lbs in that pic. I am telling you I eat 5-6k calories a day and stay on year round. I do not take insulin and have not been taking HGH just Test no orals they will mess up your stomach and digestion if taking too much or too long just not needed. You talk about your waist getting bigger you need to accept a few concepts here first and foremost bulking you will have a belly at the end of the day because you will have food digesting in your stomach and intestines. That doesn't mean you perm grew your gut it will all be gone once it is digested but you never really want it all gone and digested as you want to keep pushing the food. When you are pushing 5-6k calories a day and your body is growing it will lean out quick as hell when you drop the calories. You already know how to train just keep training but dramatically increase the food taking peds without extra calories is a waste of money and time. Let your body grow then adjust after you have added 20+ pounds. The main question is if you want to go with or without an anti estrogen without you will grow faster but your will look softer. With you will look better but grow slower and even possibly get joint and tendon pain. I suggest without then using once you have added the size you want to dry back out. 500mg cruise year round up the dose as high as you want for your blast if you really want an extra kick. Orals really are if you are tired of jabbing yourself which you shouldn't be if you are only on 500mg but sure throw in whatever else you want but the Test needs to be your base and it needs to be year round forget "Cycle" your conversion rate also goes down with age it takes more exogenous test to get the same test blood level as you get older that is why TRT needs to go up with age. While 250mg a week might have done something when you were 25 it won't do shit at 40. All these guys talk about how they blew up on 250mg dont mention it was their first cycle at 25 years old. When you are 40 and it's not your first (its not your first you are not natural no matter how many times you claim otherwise) 250 wont do a damn thing. You need more
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Test needs to be your base and it needs to be year round forget "Cycle" your conversion rate also goes down with age it takes more exogenous test to get the same test blood level as you get older that is why TRT needs to go up with age. While 250mg a week might have done something when you were 25 it won't do shit at 40. All these guys talk about how they blew up on 250mg dont mention it was their first cycle at 25 years old. When you are 40 and it's not your first (its not your first you are not natural no matter how many times you claim otherwise) 250 wont do a damn thing. You need more
I always say this. Guys think the gear got weaker but most of the time it's that your body is older. You will not respond as well when older. An old body doesn't even respond the same to food - there was a study showing old people needed 40g of protein vs 20 for young guys, to achieve the same protein synthesis.
Regarding dosages. There are actually some outliers that need 500mg of test to get to a blood level someone else achieved with 200mg. I recently read how 300mg put many in a range some teens achieve at their highest natural output. So 250mg can be disappointing in many or most cases if you want "PED" results. In a few cases 250mg can be a miracle and a guy puts on 10lbs in a few months, which is actually a lot if lean tissue.
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Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.
Hormones have powerful effects on the mind, no doubt. But from what I've seen steroids often calm down unhinged guys. Anyone else seen this? Tren might be a special case though. I've never really seen guys spaz out when juicing, though tren may be different, then road rage and things like that aren't too uncommon.
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That all said, I am thinking 750-1,000mg of total gear weekly. I am not thinking of GH or insulin.
If this one-off cycle goes well, I can always add GH next year. Since I get VASTLY better pumps off wimpy oral cycles, I'm assuming 750mg of oil-based gear for 16 weeks on top of that should be incredible.
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Yeah don't worry about GH or insulin unless the GH sort of falls into your lap. It would be a great add on, especially at an older age. Like I said, one of the reasons teens grow so well on anabolics is naturally high GH output. There are some secretagogues that increase natural GH that wouldn't hurt either but don't worry about it.
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Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.
I might have mentioned that….😂
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DVD's?
;D
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Hormones have powerful effects on the mind, no doubt. But from what I've seen steroids often calm down unhinged guys. Anyone else seen this? Tren might be a special case though. I've never really seen guys spaz out when juicing, though tren may be different, then road rage and things like that aren't too uncommon.
Oh come on.
There is a reason the term roid rage exists.
This isn’t a guy with an anger management issue, this is a full-blown, school shooter type wackjob, with an altered sense of entitlement and reality.
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Stop worrying and just do it
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This is after drinking 1/3 of a Monster Energy drink, and eating an $0.88 Caramilk bar from Wal-Mart.
I'm pleased with this - anything under 120/80 is great, but...anything under 110/70 is even better.
Anything between 100/60 to 110/70 is where I want to be.
And THIS IS WHY I STAY 170, PEOPLE.
I would bet any money just being 250 - even if you are pretty lean - you are going to be taking a decade off your life.
That's why I just want to do one good cycle - post some impressive lifts [I expect to get the 110-lb dumbbells for reps in the seated overhead dumbbell press, for example] - and be done with it.
This blood pressure machine doesn't belong to me - and the person who owns it uses it every day and has NEVER seen a person with blood pressure this low.
Remember that fatass Sarcasm who used to post here, and make fun of people's physique? Meanwhile, he was 5'11" and 320-lb, and died at like 47, because he was just a health mess?
There are a lot of such liars on this board.
We should have another Mr. Getbig contest.
I'd bet any money that B. Hank would place top three - if not win it.
We should do a 275-lb deadlift for reps contest. I got 225x23 in the 2007 contest. I would get 275 for at least 23 if we did that again.
Guaranteed I'd be top three.
People are such lying sacks of complete shit.
Like me or hate me - I can verify all my claims.
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Stop worrying and just do it
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Wow! I didn't know you just posted that.
I'm assuming that's the same type of blood pressure machine like the one I used above?
Is it normal for blood pressure to go to 180/130 on gear? And...? Is that fine because it's temporary?
Anyway, there are a lot of mouthy members behind screen names here, B. Hank. I respect you and wes for proving your claims. I also don't have a problem with anonymous posters...but I DO have a problem with that when they are mouthy and making claims that are bull.
I shouldn't be bitter about Sarcasm [RIP] since he's dead now...but he was an example of someone who would trash people behind a screen name, when in reality, he was an obese fat man.
Honestly, B. Hank - if we had another Mr. Getbig contest, you would likely win it, based on how members look TODAY.
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Wow! I didn't know you just posted that.
I'm assuming that's the same type of blood pressure machine like the one I used above?
Is it normal for blood pressure to go to 180/130 on gear? And...? Is that fine because it's temporary?
Anyway, there are a lot of mouthy members behind screen names here, B. Hank. I respect you and wes for proving your claims. I also don't have a problem with anonymous posters...but I DO have a problem with that when they are mouthy and making claims that are bull.
I shouldn't be bitter about Sarcasm [RIP] since he's dead now...but he was an example of someone who would trash people behind a screen name, when in reality, he was an obese fat man.
Honestly, B. Hank - if we had another Mr. Getbig contest, you would likely win it, based on how members look TODAY.
Do you fear for his health?
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Did you take drugs to get in this shape?
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Looks 10x better than bhank. Bhank must be doing it all wrong.
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I would like to do a little studying of Islam now.
Will I be welcome to the mosque as a curious White man?
And look at that photo...see what the plandemic joke did to me? That photo was my first month back in the gym after the joke plandemic.
I look forward to surpassing this photo:
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Even your poses are autistic.
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We should have another Mr. Getbig contest.
I'd bet any money that B. Hank would place top three - if not win it.
Top 3 in the Mr Getbig contest would be totally worth having a BP of 180 and resting HR of 100.
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Top 3 in the Mr Getbig contest would be totally worth having a BP of 180 and resting HR of 100.
And running a full blown drug stack to deadlift 275 lbs for 10 reps. 😂😂😂
Women who are natural can lift that.
Are retards always chronic liars? Because Matt Canning and Brian Wood Healy Hankins sure are.
Hahahahahaha….
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Making friends with dudes who talk to you after they supposedly watched you work out in your wife beater...
...nope not gay at all...
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Making friends with dudes who talk to you after they supposedly watched you work out in your wife beater...
...nope not gay at all...
Look at Aspy Matt Canning’s shoe and sock ensemble and tell me he’s not a bunny boiler.
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Look at Aspy Matt Canning’s shoe and sock ensemble and tell me he’s not a bunny boiler.
He's gayer the watching a Rocco porn movie to see Rocco...
...wait, oops that what he does!...
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He's gayer the watching a Rocco porn movie to see Rocco...
...wait, oops that what he does!...
He admitted that he went to a book signing to get Ron Jeremy’s autograph.
Nothing creepy about that….🙄
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Will we ever settle whether Matt was wrong or right?
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He's gayer the watching a Rocco porn movie to see Rocco...
...wait, oops that what he does!...
Hey man, it's Pride Month!!
Plus...I hate to be that guy...but hey, I have a Black friend. But seriously, I loathe being called racist, and this dude can confirm I am not racist. For whatever his opinion is worth.
Nice guy too.
I don't think it's that it's so impressive that I do a Circus Dumbbell using 110-lb for reps...but for a man of my size, I guess people think it's impressive seeing me train.
And I've come to the conclusion that the reason some people at my gym have been impressed with my lifts is because I'm just a normal weight dude lifting decent weight.
This was the top lightweight in Canada - Dain Wallis. Though I think he is retired from the sport - he is the only guy in my weight class who I am aware of who has beaten me on Circus Dumbbell for reps:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how much I improve in this cycle. But maybe I should not push it, to avoid injury. But the current u-80kg Circus Dumbbell record in Canada is 155-lb, and I'm confident I can beat that. I also think I can do that without PED's.
So my long-term goal is a 160-lb Circus Dumbbell at 176-lb body weight. I think I'll be doing only 8-12+ reps during my cycle though...just to lift in the hypertrophy range.
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Will we ever settle whether Matt was wrong or right?
Seems about 50/50!
So since it wasn't a consensus that I was in the right, I won't be doing it again when that dude is around, at least.
If I stop resting the dumbbells on the bench, it will be to not damage the upholstery.
I will also talk to the owner, just to confirm.
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Hey man, it's Pride Month!!
Plus...I hate to be that guy...but hey, I have a Black friend. But seriously, I loathe being called racist, and this dude can confirm I am not racist. For whatever his opinion is worth.
Nice guy too.
I don't think it's that it's so impressive that I do a Circus Dumbbell using 110-lb for reps...but for a man of my size, I guess people think it's impressive seeing me train.
And I've come to the conclusion that the reason some people at my gym have been impressed with my lifts is because I'm just a normal weight dude lifting decent weight.
This was the top lightweight in Canada - Dain Wallis. Though I think he is retired from the sport - he is the only guy in my weight class who I am aware of who has beaten me on Circus Dumbbell for reps:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how much I improve in this cycle. But maybe I should not push it, to avoid injury. But the current u-80kg Circus Dumbbell record in Canada is 155-lb, and I'm confident I can beat that. I also think I can do that without PED's.
So my long-term goal is a 160-lb Circus Dumbbell at 176-lb body weight. I think I'll be doing only 8-12+ reps during my cycle though...just to lift in the hypertrophy range.
That was the least impressive display of lifting I have ever seen
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That was the least impressive display of lifting I have ever seen
Really?
That's a 125-lb dumbbell. Keep in mind, he weighs 172-lb.
He won the lightweight Strongman Canadian Nationals in 2016...and I believe in 2017 also.
There were some heavyweights who only got a few reps more than he did. In fact, if I recall correctly, there was one heavyweight out-weighing him by 100-lb who only beat him by three reps there!
I find that people are too critical online.
I think you would win another Mr. Getbig contest if we had one, B. Hank.
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Check out this Getbig blast from the past from Getbig board treasure Van Bilderass!
gh15, do you know of any pros who have gotten problems with glucose control or become diabetic after playing with insulin?
^^^ Exactly what I was wondering, 15 years later - lol!!
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Really?
That's a 125-lb dumbbell, and keep in mind, he weighs 172-lb.
He won the lightweight Strongman Canadian Nationals in 2016...and I believe in 2017 also.
There were some heavyweights who only got a few reps more than he did. In fact, if I recall correctly, there was one heavyweight out-weighing him by 100-lb who only beat him by three reps there!
I find that people are too critical online.
I think you would win another Mr. Getbig contest if we had one, B. Hank.
No I am being serious it didn't look like he was even struggling and not using his strength to press it just kind of using momentum and bouncing it with his legs. I would not consider that lifting at all. What muscle group is that effectively training? None
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That was the least impressive display of lifting I have ever seen
Its not a display of lifting. Do you know anything about Strongman or PL?
You dont seem to, though you have much to say and criticize it.
Typical drug-filled pumper and poser...
And yes, 500 mg's is a cycle, especially year-round. Drop the drugs you deflate 10-15 of water-weight.
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No I am being serious it didn't look like he was even struggling and not using his strength to press it just kind of using momentum and bouncing it with his legs. I would not consider that lifting at all. What muscle group is that effectively training? None
Dont you know weightlifting is more technique than actual muscle strength
The goal is to move the weight not isolate the muscle
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Honestly, B. Hank - if we had another Mr. Getbig contest, you would likely win it, based on how members look TODAY.
Not today...but this hour...this minute...this second.
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Its not a display of lifting. Do you know anything about Strongman or PL?
You dont seem to, though you have much to say and criticize it.
Typical drug-filled pumper and poser...
And yes, 500 mg's is a cycle, especially year-round. Drop the drugs you deflate 10-15 of water-weight.
Cycle by definition means starting and stopping so by definition anything you do year-round is not a cycle regardless of dosage. I swear you people have no reading comprehension skills and don't understand basic English.
That dude is not strong he is 172lbs weakling throwing a dumbell over your head using your legs and then locking out your arm doesnt make you strong having actual muscle makes you strong
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Cycle by definition means starting and stopping so by definition anything you do year-round is not a cycle regardless of dosage. I swear you people have no reading comprehension skills and don't understand basic English.
That dude is not strong he is 172lbs weakling throwing a dumbell over your head using your legs and then locking out your arm doesnt make you strong having actual muscle makes you strong
really
This guy has very little muscle
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Cycle by definition means starting and stopping so by definition anything you do year-round is not a cycle regardless of dosage. I swear you people have no reading comprehension skills and don't understand basic English.
That dude is not strong he is 172lbs weakling throwing a dumbell over your head using your legs and then locking out your arm doesnt make you strong having actual muscle makes you strong
Stop pretending you are ignorant, Bhanky.
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No I am being serious it didn't look like he was even struggling and not using his strength to press it just kind of using momentum and bouncing it with his legs. I would not consider that lifting at all. What muscle group is that effectively training? None
Well - he is by no means the strongest man around [he competes at u-80kg / 176.3-lb - same class as me, lightweight], but he is legitimately the strongest manlet strongman I have ever met.
I have yet to see another manlet do strongman events like he is!
My powerlifting total was nothing spectacular - around 315/405/495, or just north of that - but because strongman focuses on overhead presses and not bench press, and also focuses on side handle deadlifts as opposed to conventional deadlifts, and on top of that had movement/stamina component, I just found it better for me personally.
Dain's personal view was similar - not to knock powerlifters, but he also liked the athletic nature of competition.
No doubt there are lightweight powerlifters who have more static power than Dain, and many bodybuilders who are heavier are stronger also, I'm sure. But as far as strongman events go, I have never personally met anyone under 200-lb as strong as Dain. I can think of two 200-lb'ers who are about as strong, but most people I know who are that strong are at least 230!
Again - he's not the strongest dude, but is impressive for a lightweight, IMO!
^ Weight classes matter! In 2014 and 2014 in my city's strongest man contest u-200-lb we had 250-lb implements in the Farmer's Walk! The heavyweights used 300-lb per hand! At World's Strongest Man, they go up to about 400-lb per hand.
Competing in contests way over my weight class helped me a lot.
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You are so wrong it's hilarious.
Can you really be as ignorant as you seem?
The fuck does a skinny old man know about it? Moving weight is a matter of training and fiber recruitment leverage momentum CNS recruitment skill and endurance lung capacity etc etc strength is a matter of muscular size. When your muscles get larger you get stronger its that fucking simple. You can argue all you want about some small dude lifting a lot but regarldess of what you lift if you add muscular size you lift more. Think of muscular size as the engine and lifting as all the modifications you can do to tweak it to get as much HP as possible. The Big block is always going to have much more potential for tweaking without blowing the fuck up. The big block is stronger than the bored out small block redlining about to blow a fucking gasket.
Again no idea how some skinny fuck is going to tell me I am wrong I have been doing this a long time. I have seen all kinds of athletes and all kinds of lifting and strength training programs I have also actually felt real applied strength wrestling. The general consensus on strength is wrong. It is not about how much weight you can train your body to move in one direction for one rep using every trick in the book to make it easier.
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The fuck does a skinny old man know about it? Moving weight is a matter of training and fiber recruitment leverage momentum CNS recruitment skill and endurance lung capacity etc etc strength is a matter of muscular size. When your muscles get larger you get stronger its that fucking simple. You can argue all you want about some small dude lifting a lot but regarldess of what you lift if you add muscular size you lift more. Think of muscular size as the engine and lifting as all the modifications you can do to tweak it to get as much HP as possible. The Big block is always going to have much more potential for tweaking without blowing the fuck up. The big block is stronger than the bored out small block redlining about to blow a fucking gasket.
Again no idea how some skinny fuck is going to tell me I am wrong I have been doing this a long time. I have seen all kinds of athletes and all kinds of lifting and strength training programs I have also actually felt real applied strength wrestling. The general consensus on strength is wrong. It is not about how much weight you can train your body to move in one direction for one rep using every trick in the book to make it easier.
the problem with you its that its hard to tell
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The fuck does a skinny old man know about it? Moving weight is a matter of training and fiber recruitment leverage momentum CNS recruitment skill and endurance lung capacity etc etc strength is a matter of muscular size. When your muscles get larger you get stronger its that fucking simple. You can argue all you want about some small dude lifting a lot but regarldess of what you lift if you add muscular size you lift more. Think of muscular size as the engine and lifting as all the modifications you can do to tweak it to get as much HP as possible. The Big block is always going to have much more potential for tweaking without blowing the fuck up. The big block is stronger than the bored out small block redlining about to blow a fucking gasket.
Again no idea how some skinny fuck is going to tell me I am wrong I have been doing this a long time. I have seen all kinds of athletes and all kinds of lifting and strength training programs I have also actually felt real applied strength wrestling. The general consensus on strength is wrong. It is not about how much weight you can train your body to move in one direction for one rep using every trick in the book to make it easier.
You are a dumb sh*t.
Every time you post your nonsense it confirms your dumbness.
Keep right on digging.
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You are a dumb sh*t.
Every time you post your nonsense it confirms your dumbness.
You are a skinny old man who doesn't know a damn thing about diet or training. You literally do the same workout everyday how the fuck are you trying to tell me anything????? Is this nonsense or am I 5x the size you could ever hope to be? If you train a new exercise your poundage goes up astronomically as you learn the movement has your strength really improved as much or do you still lift the same damn thing when you switch back to your previous movement for the same damn muscle group???? Same thing with low reps if you train them they go up significantly but when you switch back to high reps you may actually do less so again you didn't really get stronger the mind got better at recruiting muscle fibers for that particular movement and rep range.
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You are a skinny old man who doesn't know a damn thing about diet or training. You literally do the same workout everyday how the fuck are you trying to tell me anything????? Is this nonsense or am I 5x the size you could ever hope to be? If you train a new exercise your poundage goes up astronomically as you learn the movement has your strength really improved as much or do you still lift the same damn thing when you switch back to your previous movement for the same damn muscle group???? Same thing with low reps if you train them they go up significantly but when you switch back to high reps you may actually do less so again you didn't really get stronger the mind got better at recruiting muscle fibers for that particular movement and rep range.
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Not today...but this hour...this minute...this second.
Well - not to kiss the ass of B. Hank or anything...but just based on how everyone looks right now, at this moment...I'm guessing B. Hank would so well in a Mr. Getbig.
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Hard to say, but I would assume he would do well in a board physique contest.
I think we should do another contest here. It really is something else to me that some people post like they are at the state level, when they may be nowhere near that.
Honestly, it gave me the wrong notion of how strong people are.
I'll put it this way:
I literally wouldn't see anyone in my gym deadlift 500, if I were to go for over an hour a day 4-5-6 days a week. MAYBE one person in a year would do that.
Sometimes I see people would 6+ plates a side on the leg press - but then they start doing half reps, lol!
Do you know what I mean?
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You are a skinny old man who doesn't know a damn thing about diet or training. You literally do the same workout everyday how the fuck are you trying to tell me anything????? Is this nonsense or am I 5x the size you could ever hope to be? If you train a new exercise your poundage goes up astronomically as you learn the movement has your strength really improved as much or do you still lift the same damn thing when you switch back to your previous movement for the same damn muscle group???? Same thing with low reps if you train them they go up significantly but when you switch back to high reps you may actually do less so again you didn't really get stronger the mind got better at recruiting muscle fibers for that particular movement and rep range.
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Why are you being mean to IroNat? ???
I don't get it? Why be mean to him?
Honestly, the only person you should have a problem with on here is Walter Sobchak. You know how that piece of shit will spell out our full names?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Like I have a problem saying that I, Matt Canning of Thunder Bay, Ontario, wrote the Thunder Bay Police Service, and explicitly told them if they try to illegally enforce any pandemic measures on me, I'd have an armed standoff with them.
The loser Walter Sobchak thinks that because he's scared to post under his real name, that you or I would be, lol.
So he posts your name and lies about you, because he himself doesn't want HIS name published.
This is why I'd like a Mr. Getbig type contest - I GUARANTEE YOU, you would beat Walter Sobchak! Just like I'd beat him in a board strength contest.
Also, I apologize for saying to you that your wife looks good / looks sexy.
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She is not my wife and I don't care that you said she looks sexy. I have never been mad at you. I am honestly disagreeing and trying to give you my honest opinion and advice.
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YOU KNOW JACKSHIT ABOUT ANYTHING LIFTING OR BODYBUILDING RELATED
I wake up hit this thread to see of Matt had decided to use either GH or insulin after a sip of my first coffee and I almost shit when I see yet another terribly bloated pic of the board punching bag staring back at me......what a fucked up way to start your day.
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Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.
It's been brought up multiple times.
Matt's given the perfectly sane rationale that he is upset with the actions of the government, and taking high side effect steroids like Anadrol will help.
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YOU KNOW JACKSHIT ABOUT ANYTHING LIFTING OR BODYBUILDING RELATED
I wake up hit this thread to see of Matt had decided to use either GH or insulin after a sip of my first coffee and I almost shit when I see yet another terribly bloated pic of the board punching bag staring back at me......what a fucked up way to start your day.
Decided on GH or insulin lol he hasnt decided a godamn thing and has spent a decade hemming and hawing about it starts then stops then complains it didnt really work while then telling everyone how great and strong he is at 170lbs proof of which is horrible slinging of weight which getbig then applauds. Then he talks about how he wants to get bigger and deserves the size the ped for a few weeks will give him and debates if he should add insulin to the non existent cycle. Then he starts hemming and hawing about life extension through starvation again. Meanwhile some 70 year old runt is talking to me about training hard and another skinny 65 year old is trying to tell me about training. Fucking morons the lot of you
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Decided on GH or insulin lol he hasnt decided a godamn thing and has spent a decade hemming and hawing about it starts then stops then complains it didnt really work while then telling everyone how great and strong he is at 170lbs proof of which is horrible slinging of weight which getbig then applauds. Then he talks about how he wants to get bigger and deserves the size the ped for a few weeks will give him and debates if he should add insulin to the non existent cycle. Then he starts hemming and hawing about life extension through starvation again. Meanwhile some 70 year old runt is talking to me about training hard and another skinny 65 year old is trying to tell me about training. Fucking morons the lot of you
The GH or insulin thing was a joke that went over your bloated pumpkin looking head and I train harder than you, can out lift you,and I weigh just as much as you do with far better proportions and symmetry,no torn bodyparts,have actually won national level awards as opposed to four last place medals,have competed successfully in both bodybuilding,odd lift competitions, as well as powerlifting meets,wrote an article for Iron Man magazine as well as having one written about me in Iron Man magazine,got my name in Muscular Development magazine,was in a panning camera shot in the movie Pumping Iron,wrote bodybuilding articles for at least eight different websites on a steady basis,climbed Mt Everest twice,fucked Jennifer Lopez right after nailing Jennifer Garner,ran a four minute mile,etc. etc.and right now I look and feel simply marvelous making this comeback all at a virile 67 years of age.....your silly insults and petty jealousy of yours against me dont faze me my little yellow friend with the impossible dreams of someday being one of the big guys in the game you know jackshit about and someday beconing the biggest kid on your block. LOL ;D
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The GH or insulin thing was a joke that went over your bloated pumpkin looking head and I train harder than you, can out lift you,and I weigh just as much as you do with far better proportions and symmetry,no torn bodyparts,have actually won national level awards as opposed to four last place medals,have competed successfully in both bodybuilding,odd lift competitions, as well as powerlifting meets,wrote an article for Iron Man magazine as well as having one written about me in Iron Man magazine,got my name in Muscular Development magazine,was in a panning camera shot in the movie Pumping Iron,wrote bodybuilding articles for at least eight different websites on a steady basis,climbed Mt Everest twice,fucked Jennifer Lopez right after nailing Jennifer Garner,ran a four minute mile,etc. etc.and right now I look and feel simply marvelous making this comeback all at a virile 67 years of age.....your silly insults and petty jealousy of yours against me dont faze me my little yellow friend with the impossible dreams of someday being one of the big guys in the game you know jackshit about and someday beconing the biggest kid on your block. LOL ;D
Wes, I'm not accusing you of lying in any of the above, but man.........
DID YOU REALLY GET YOUR NAME IN MD MAGAZINE?
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Wes, I'm not accusing you of lying in any of the above, but man.........
DID YOU REALLY GET YOUR NAME IN MD MAGAZINE?
Most of that is true,even the two Jennifer stories. LOL :D
Yes my name was in MD but only in a powerlifting result/placing report but both Iron Man mag stories are real.
I wan`t trying to brag cuz all of that and two cents wouldn`t buy me a cup of coffee but I know that post is gonna piss Hanky off cuz he` so easy and quite fun to troll.
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The GH or insulin thing was a joke that went over your bloated pumpkin looking head and I train harder than you, can out lift you,and I weigh just as much as you do with far better proportions and symmetry,no torn bodyparts,have actually won national level awards as opposed to four last place medals,have competed successfully in both bodybuilding,odd lift competitions, as well as powerlifting meets,wrote an article for Iron Man magazine as well as having one written about me in Iron Man magazine,got my name in Muscular Development magazine,was in a panning camera shot in the movie Pumping Iron,wrote bodybuilding articles for at least eight different websites on a steady basis,climbed Mt Everest twice,fucked Jennifer Lopez right after nailing Jennifer Garner,ran a four minute mile,etc. etc.and right now I look and feel simply marvelous making this comeback all at a virile 67 years of age.....your silly insults and petty jealousy of yours against me dont faze me my little yellow friend with the impossible dreams of someday being one of the big guys in the game you know jackshit about and someday beconing the biggest kid on your block. LOL ;D
We are still waiting to see this amazing comeback eagerly anticipating your return to Glory is next week still the plan to start your TRT? We should take a poll who stops yapping about it and actual starts their TRT first Wes or Matt?
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We are still waiting to see this amazing comeback eagerly anticipating your return to Glory is next week still the plan to start your TRT? We should take a poll who stops yapping about it and actual starts their TRT first Wes or Matt?
You should watch your tone here, as two noble causes are at play:
If there were any people Wes' age, it would inspire them and show them that age is but a number and improve their overall health.
Matt's steroid use will counter extreme government overreach.
Let them be.
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Do you fear for his health?
I fear for Matt’s mental health.
His nonstop posting about trying something that may cause him death is concerning especially when you consider how he’s mentioned several times he doesn’t want to live anymore.
Matt everyone suffered through the lockdown. Seek counseling. Addressing your mental concerns will help put the physical concerns in perspective.
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We are still waiting to see this amazing comeback eagerly anticipating your return to Glory is next week still the plan to start your TRT? We should take a poll who stops yapping about it and actual starts their TRT first Wes or Matt?
Unlike Matt,I have done more than my fair share of gear....no TRT yet.....why waste it if I am making continuous progress without it which happens to be the case?
Only an egomaniacal idiot posts multiple daily pics day after day after day every single week expecting to see progress...you simply enjoy looking at yourself but sadly enough....nobody else want to see the pics so I think that I may take up a collection to see how much we can pay you to stop posting....then again the pics are hilarious and bring teh funny back to getbig.
You,along with your epic pal who can`t spell cat or construct a sentence correctly and seems to have a sort of "gayesque" fascination with you.... you two clowns have resurrected getbig. :D
I monitor my progress and access my progress once or twice a week.....I have no desire to seek your approval but trust me you`ll be as jealous as Hell once I do post the pics....you`ll be wishing I didn`t since they will make your physique pale by comparison.....thinking about saying fuck TRT and do a years time or so of gear.
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I managed to get this requisition form within a week, rather than 4+ months, like last time - this is just to rule out autoimmune disorders.
Though my doctor is pretty certain my thyroid slowed down due to eating too little. He has recommended that I eat 300 more calories each day. I think this can be resolved by eating a small cheat meal each day in addition to my normal diet.
I also think maybe it's time to walk around at 190, instead of 170. I've been too conservative with my caloric restriction. Now that it's clear to me that I'm perfectly healthy at 170-180, I'll bump my WA weight to 190.
I generally follow the BMI scale for health - but the BMI does not take into consideration muscle mass percentage. So...I'll bring my weight up a bit. My waist grows from 29" at 170-lb, to 33" at 190. Maybe I'll make protein the majority of my caloric increase - and get to whatever weight I hit where my waist stays no more than 32".
I'm just shooting for a combination of health, strength, and anesthetics. As long as I'm in good shape and good health and feeling strong, that's fine. Also, now that my doctor has not only OK'd me to eat more - but actually encouraged it, I'll bring my weight up a little. Hopefully that goes well.
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I fear for Matt’s mental health.
His nonstop posting about trying something that may cause him death is concerning especially when you consider how he’s mentioned several times he doesn’t want to live anymore.
Matt everyone suffered through the lockdown. Seek counseling. Addressing your mental concerns will help put the physical concerns in perspective.
Thank you for your concern, Dave. It means a lot. Just one thing - during the lockdowns, some people I know also recommended counselling. My response was "Will lockdowns open the gyms again?"
And now that the gyms are open - POOF - I'm feeling vastly better.
But I don't know, Dave - I don't think I'm going to handle lockdowns well if we have them again. Keep in mind, Canada has no second amendment. We are far more at the whims of our government, who do the bidding of organizations like the WHO, and the WEF, and people like Klaus Schwab. So...what can you do?
I'm basically going to enjoy my freedom while I have it.
I don't have much faith for Canada, as something like 50% of Canadians seem to WANT to have their freedoms revoked for the illusion of safety, and want to be subjugated by government. So...what can you do? :-\
I'm just hoping to to into the next hyped pandemic lockdowns more prepared next time.
I'd REALLY rather not work out at home. Going to the gym daily, and having a hot tub and sauna after my workout, and lounging in the pool at my gym facility...it's a big part of my life.
Other than my time with my family, I'd say my gym time is my #1 experience in life.
I have a very regimented routine and lifestyle. I don't care if I'm banned from restaurants, theatres, and salons - I can handle that. I just want my gym access, nothing more.
But if Canadians want some quasi communist system, who am I to stop the public and political will that will allow that to happen? I'm just glad that, for the time being, I can live as a free man.
Maybe next time, I'll just accept the lockdowns - including "climate change lockdowns", which I have no doubt they will try to push.
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Unlike Matt,I have done more than my fair share of gear....no TRT yet.....why waste it if I am making continuous progress without it which happens to be the case?
Only an egomaniacal idiot posts multiple daily pics day after day after day every single week expecting to see progress...you simply enjoy looking at yourself but sadly enough....nobody else want to see the pics so I think that I may take up a collection to see how much we can pay you to stop posting....then again the pics are hilarious and bring teh funny back to getbig.
You,along with your epic pal who can`t spell cat or construct a sentence correctly and seems to have a sort of "gayesque" fascination with you.... you two clowns have resurrected getbig. :D
I monitor my progress and access my progress once or twice a week.....I have no desire to seek your approval but trust me you`ll be as jealous as Hell once I do post the pics....you`ll be wishing I didn`t since they will make your physique pale by comparison.....thinking about saying fuck TRT and do a years time or so of gear.
wes,
My goal was to always get that "shelf" look that your pecs have - but I don't have natural pec lines, which I think you have, and that Mark Wahlberg has. The problem for me is - not only do I not have that natural genetic shape, but I find my shoulders tend to take over during my presses for chest.
I have a training protocol I will be following on cycle - I will spend the first two weeks, staying in the 8-12+ rep range.
I have always trained heavy [for me] because I feel that while people can get strong from natural training, they can't really get very far bodybuilding naturally.
I'm sure I could make a little more progress if I ate more - but I just look at natural bodybuilding as being a lost cause. I also just don't want those natural pec lines, as I said.
My chest can look ok after a pump on chest day, but it's otherwise as flat as a pancake - I have potential in my delts, but I don't want a large density of muscle fiber in general. And I don't have those natural pec lines.
Check out this comparison - wes, I think you were 63 here, is that right? And Mark Wahlberg at 20. And that's me at 34, on 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 20 days, taken on day 20, if I recall correctly:
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Here's Mark Wahlberg weighing *138 pounds* in Boogie Nights - and as you can see, he STILL has visible PEC lines, after basically starving himself for that role. In fact, I'd say Mark Wahlberg has the best IFBB pro potential of any actor - past or present. You could maybe make a case for The Rock - but at 6'5", I'd say he's too tall to achieve high level success in competitive bodybuilding. Mark Wahlberg is 5'8.5", which is much more in line with top competing pros.
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wes,
My goal was to always get that "shelf" look that your pecs have - but I don't have natural pec lines, which I think you have, and that Mark Wahlberg has. The problem for me is - not only do I not have that natural genetic shape, but I find my shoulders tend to take over during my presses for chest.
I have a training protocol I will be following on cycle - I will spend the first two weeks, staying in the 8-12+ rep range.
I have always trained heavy [for me] because I feel that while people can get strong from natural training, they can't really get very far bodybuilding naturally.
I'm sure I could make a little more progress if I ate more - but I just look at natural bodybuilding as being a lost cause. I also just don't want those natural pec lines, as I said.
My chest can look ok after a pump on chest day, but it's otherwise as flat as a pancake - I have potential in my delts, but I don't want a large density of muscle fiber in general. And I don't have those natural pec lines.
Check out this comparison - wes, I think you were 63 here, is that right? And Mark Wahlberg at 20. And that's me at 34, on 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 20 days, taken on day 20, if I recall correctly:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373204;image)
Better taper there than bhank, better proportions overall and a full head of hair. Can you get in that shape again without Anadrol, Matt?
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2gqCGQw/BBF61-D48-E280-4-B34-A866-5-D49-CB75-C6-F6.jpg)
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We are still waiting to see this amazing comeback eagerly anticipating your return to Glory is next week still the plan to start your TRT? We should take a poll who stops yapping about it and actual starts their TRT first Wes or Matt?
B. Hank,
As you are implying - people need to start putting their money where their mouths are. Although wes has paid his dues, and so have you. I'm thinking more of the people who talk badly about others on here who have never once posted a photo or a lifting video.
I would LOVE to do a deadlift for reps contest again.
Since we did 225 for reps last time [2007], I think we should do either 275 or even 315 for reps this time. My goal would be to hit 275x30. Even if I fail to do so, I'm confident I could get 275x20+. I got 225x22 last time, if I recall correctly. I actually got 25, but the reps didn't count if they were tested on the floor at all. You could only rest while holding the weight at the time.
That contest happened because The True Adonis claimed he did 225 for 112 reps - but he didn't enter that contest, so that claim was likely a lie. Either way, he didn't prove it. Not to bash TA - but he ultimately did not verify his claim.
But if you want to train me during my cycle, I would follow your bodybuilding program to the letter, and post the results here. I am confident I would post good progress.
That being said, if your program was either overtraining or under-training, I would alter it slightly. But as long as the program you provided me was sound, we can consult and do that if you want.
I'll drop the heavy [for me] training, increase my protein and overall calories, and follow a bodybuilding-style program during my cycle. Obviously your program works for you, and I'd be glad to follow it.
This video is from the top two strongest men in my city in 2012 - the winner here bench pressed 225 for 30 reps, and he was Ontario's Strongest Man that year [and again in 2014]:
And here's my attempt for 225 for max reps - I only got 25 reps, but keep in mind, those guys had a 100+ pound weight advantage on me:
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Better taper there than bhank, better proportions overall and a full head of hair. Can you get in that shape again without Anadrol, Matt?
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2gqCGQw/BBF61-D48-E280-4-B34-A866-5-D49-CB75-C6-F6.jpg)
Very good question, Skeletor.
I think your guess is as good as mine, or anyone else's...I think I can get into pretty similar shape without using anything - BUT, why does anyone use anything?
Because we make more progress, faster, right?
I feel like while using something, I get better pumps, and maintain a fuller look for longer...do you know what I mean?
I feel like I maintain my pumps not just for 15-60 minutes post-workout [mostly, within 15 minutes], but even feel pumped and full throughout the week...I just want to test myself, and see how I could look while on, so that in the future, I have some idea of where I would have been had I done things differently.
I have no intention of being on for years or even decades - but it will be an interesting case study to see how far I can go with a little assistance. I think I have some potential, and I'd like to see it.
I also want to use, to snap me out of my pandemic malaise. It will be cool to go for a dip in the pool at my gym, with people stopping to look at me [as the average person is very out of shape, and very few people are in top shape - and it will be flattering to get that].
One thing I noticed about B. Hank - just like myself, he has a big head, which makes him look narrower, IMO. Even with a fresh haircut, and sort of pulling his head back a little, I think he would look wider [it would project the illusion, I think].
Regarding my hair - I'm sort of glad I didn't use much juice, because I will admit, I do like having a full head of hair!! Lol. if I found myself shredding hair, I will admit that would bother me. So...fingers crossed, I hope that doesn't happen! :)
Also, I really think we should do some more Getbig contests!
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Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's true height is just under 6'3".
He was 6'3" in college.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373189;image)
Matt,I`m 57 in this pic not 63......just to clarify.
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I managed to get this requisition form within a week, rather than 4+ months, like last time - this is just to rule out autoimmune disorders.
Though my doctor is pretty certain my thyroid slowed down due to eating too little. He has recommended that I eat 300 more calories each day. I think this can be resolved by eating a small cheat meal each day in addition to my normal diet.
I also think maybe it's time to walk around at 190, instead of 170. I've been too conservative with my caloric restriction. Now that it's clear to me that I'm perfectly healthy at 170-180, I'll bump my WA weight to 190.
I generally follow the BMI scale for health - but the BMI does not take into consideration muscle mass percentage. So...I'll bring my weight up a bit. My waist grows from 29" at 170-lb, to 33" at 190. Maybe I'll make protein the majority of my caloric increase - and get to whatever weight I hit where my waist stays no more than 32".
I'm just shooting for a combination of health, strength, and anesthetics. As long as I'm in good shape and good health and feeling strong, that's fine. Also, now that my doctor has not only OK'd me to eat more - but actually encouraged it, I'll bring my weight up a little. Hopefully that goes well.
Jesus man you need a Dr note to eat 300 more calories wtf
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Better taper there than bhank, better proportions overall and a full head of hair. Can you get in that shape again without Anadrol, Matt?
And you have photoshopped my pic again
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Very good question, Skeletor.
I think your guess is as good as mine, or anyone else's...I think I can get into pretty similar shape without using anything - BUT, why does anyone use anything?
Because we make more progress, faster, right?
I feel like while using something, I get better pumps, and maintain a fuller look for longer...do you know what I mean?
I feel like I maintain my pumps not just for 15-60 minutes post-workout [mostly, within 15 minutes], but even feel pumped and full throughout the week...I just want to test myself, and see how I could look while on, so that in the future, I have some idea of where I would have been had I done things differently.
I have no intention of being on for years or even decades - but it will be an interesting case study to see how far I can go with a little assistance. I think I have some potential, and I'd like to see it.
I also want to use, to snap me out of my pandemic malaise. It will be cool to go for a dip in the pool at my gym, with people stopping to look at me [as the average person is very out of shape, and very few people are in top shape - and it will be flattering to get that].
One thing I noticed about B. Hank - just like myself, he has a big head, which makes him look narrower, IMO. Even with a fresh haircut, and sort of pulling his head back a little, I think he would look wider [it would project the illusion, I think].
Regarding my hair - I'm sort of glad I didn't use much juice, because I will admit, I do like having a full head of hair!! Lol. if I found myself shredding hair, I will admit that would bother me. So...fingers crossed, I hope that doesn't happen! :)
Also, I really think we should do some more Getbig contests!
Firts off It is a photoshopped pic. They adjusted more than just my head. Look at my feet and ankles the entire thing has been photoshopped I don't have size 20 feet either. Also it is from being too close to the wrong size lens. I take my pics with a video at close range then snapshot them. I am not using the correct lens and distance it's an optical illusion. I do not have a big head.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4164807
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Jesus man you need a Dr note to eat 300 more calories wtf
I fear for my health.
I restrict calories to stay in good health.
That has worked for me, save for my thyroid slowing down. So now I need to strike a balance by increasing my caloric intake.
But there's a trade-off for everything we do. If I eat much more, there are health risks. If I eat too little, my thyroid will stay low.
Everything is a trade-off. But now that I realize I have been overly healthy, I'm going to do this cycle, increase my calories, and go from there.
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Here's Mark Wahlberg weighing *138 pounds* in Boogie Nights - and as you can see, he STILL has visible PEC lines, after basically starving himself for that role. In fact, I'd say Mark Wahlberg has the best IFBB pro potential of any actor - past or present. You could maybe make a case for The Rock - but at 6'5", I'd say he's too tall to achieve high level success in competitive bodybuilding. Mark Wahlberg is 5'8.5", which is much more in line with top competing pros.
Just wanted to correct something the roc is 6,2.5” tall not 6’5 I met him years ago and he was about .5” taller than me. Also Matt you blow wahlberg away in that pic above.
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Just wanted to correct something the roc is 6,2.5” tall not 6’5 I met him years ago and he was about .5” taller than me. Also Matt you blow wahlberg away in that pic above.
Is The Rock really only 6'2"?
He always struck me as a minimum 6'2.5" guy, if not closer to his claimed 6'5".
As for Mark in that photo - do you see how he still has pec lines, even at 138-lb? That's something I don't have at any weight.
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Great pic Matt....you look damn good there.
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Rock with Shaq and Barkley
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It's real simple you are using your delts when benching because you insist on going too heavy vs using less weight and using the proper muscle to move the weight. You need to rotate the shoulders back to take them out of the movement also doint go 90 degrees on the side with elbows bring them down at an angle. And then squeeze the pec during the movement get the mind muscle connection and make the pec do the work you will need to use less weight to do this and a full range of motion you don't even break 90 degrees when pressing. You are still doing half reps and using your shoulders to do the work. Lighten the weight increase the range of motion and squeeze your pecs
Stop Ego lifting
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Rock with Shaq and Barkley
Perfect, Barkley is 6’6 so that shows the rocs height exactly.
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Pec lines are mainly genetic like bicep peak.
It's all how your muscle insertions are.
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Is The Rock really only 6'2"?
He always struck me as a minimum 6'2.5" guy, if not closer to his claimed 6'5".
As for Mark in that photo - do you see how he still has pec lines, even at 138-lb? That's something I don't have at any weight.
Matt that pic of you looks damn good and even if you don’t have the pec line at bottom that pic is better than wahlberg.i don’t have that pec line either.
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Here's Mark Wahlberg weighing *138 pounds* in Boogie Nights - and as you can see, he STILL has visible PEC lines, after basically starving himself for that role. In fact, I'd say Mark Wahlberg has the best IFBB pro potential of any actor - past or present. You could maybe make a case for The Rock - but at 6'5", I'd say he's too tall to achieve high level success in competitive bodybuilding. Mark Wahlberg is 5'8.5", which is much more in line with top competing pros.
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373205;image)
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Not sure why you're impressed with him. Just looks like a funky bunch of pics to me.
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Cycle or no cycle - does it even matter if I don't follow through? Steroids are just the finishing touch, anyway.
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Cycle or no cycle - does it even matter if I don't follow through? Steroids are just the finishing touch, anyway.
Looking good Matt, shoulders look great.
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Thank you for your concern, Dave. It means a lot. Just one thing - during the lockdowns, some people I know also recommended counselling. My response was "Will lockdowns open the gyms again?"
And now that the gyms are open - POOF - I'm feeling vastly better.
Going to the gym daily, and having a hot tub and sauna after my workout, and lounging in the pool at my gym facility...it's a big part of my life.
Other than my time with my family, I'd say my gym time is my #1 experience in life.
(http://i.postimg.cc/gc7r9TMk/creepy-guy.gif)
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Cycle or no cycle - does it even matter if I don't follow through? Steroids are just the finishing touch, anyway.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373945;image
All those shoulder presses have paid off.
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Stop Ego lifting
He competes in strong man events using the pink dumbells like you do wont help.
Matt squeeze the scapula together when benching if you dont do so already....after your heavy benches for trongman are completed for the day on your scheduled chest day,do two extra sets of thirty slow and controlled reps with a slightly wider grip....heavy flyes is a staple for me and my go to movement for pec development.
I haven`t benched in years just inclines,flyes,and dips when I trained in a gym....crossovers I always did too now I think they are useless for me personally anyway.
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Cycle or no cycle - does it even matter if I don't follow through? Steroids are just the finishing touch, anyway.
You were talking about testosterone which is a hormone not an anabolic steroid. An anabolic steroid is a synthetic derivative of the hormone testosterone. I mean why the fuck would anyone on GETBIG understand this basic concept. Also are you fucking kidding you have just been wasting everyone's time again you are not going to take anything so quit fucking asking about it and debating it and wasting everyone's time and energy.
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You were talking about testosterone which is a hormone not an anabolic steroid. An anabolic steroid is a synthetic derivative of the hormone testosterone. I mean why the fuck would anyone on GETBIG understand this basic concept.
Semantics Of Peace
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Not sure why you're impressed with him. Just looks like a funky bunch of pics to me.
When I saw this video when I was 17 in 1999 [a year before I started working out], Mark's physique blew my mind - I honestly believe Mark has legit IFBB pro muscle fiber density, and overall genetic potential.
Keep in mind he was only 19 here. You either have chest genetics like this or you don't [I don't], and I would bet money I could get my bench to 405 with enough juice, and only then, maybe have a chest like this:
Mark has natural pec lines, that show his pec separation, no matter what his weight is.
MUSCLEMAG publisher Robert Kennedy [RIP - Fortress knew him very well] once said on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly that most pros today have big pecs from overhang, rather than natural pec lines [in reality, it's likely both]. For me, I cannot have pecs unless I have enough overhang for them to present like that.
I have no natural pec lines. But hey - it's genetic. Not much I can do about that. And my anterior delts probably eat most of my chest gains.
If B. Hank trained me for my cycle, I would follow his program to the letter.
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Looking good Matt, only shoulders look great.
Fixed that one for you. ;D
Thanks Rob. :)
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(http://i.postimg.cc/gc7r9TMk/creepy-guy.gif)
Lol!
I always try to look the other way if I'm ever walking by the children's pool, and there are two saunas, and I go into the empty one, if one is empty, or the emptier one.
I'm definitely concerned about looking like a groomer.
That being said, if I understand the current political left, being a groomer is looked at as a GOOD THING, and I should try to come across as a pedophile if I go to a public pool...right? ???
Just trying to figure out how to be "tolerant" and politically correct and all that. :)
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All those shoulder presses have paid off.
It's basically the only thing that has paid off.
Admittedly, I never trained legs as hard as I should have. I probably averaged a leg workout once every two weeks...something like that. Whereas everything else, I trained pretty religiously, once weekly.
Maybe it's not even that I skipped legs...but basically, if I had to skip a workout, I would have skipped legs. Do that for decades, and it explains why I was bench pressed 335x2, but only squatting 385x2.
Though, in fairness, I NEVER see anyone squatting 405+. Maybe literally once a year, in the gym. Realistically, not even once a year.
But if my max bench was 345, I should have *probably* had a max squat of 445. Something like that.
My knee valgus has always been an issue though. See how my knees buckle here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdm0yhpOcCU/
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdrOfeWAutO/
^ That leg press only fits 10 plates per side [900-lb + the sled, which is probably around 110-lb]. It's probably the heaviest leg press I've ever used.
My goal is to max out that machine for a single.
I'm not going to complain if my max leg press is about 1,000 pounds, and my squat, around 405.
I can handle that.
But I will not be neglecting legs ever again, now that gyms are open for the dirty unvaccinated like myself, here in Canada.
On that note - what is your leg routine, Skeletor?
I was doing 12 sets total [4x for quads, hamstrings, and calves], but last week I did 12 sets for hamstrings, and that's when I realized that four sets per muscle group in the legs is not enough.
Though I'm not sure if I would want to do 36 sets in a leg workout...maybe 8x for quads, 8x for hamstrings, and 6x for calves - 22 sets total for legs, which would take a little over two hours.
Do you have any suggestions on that?
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Fixed that one for you. ;D
Thanks Rob. :)
No,Shoulders look really good, back and arms look good as well.
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He competes in strong man events using the pink dumbells like you do wont help.
Matt squeeze the scapula together when benching if you dont do so already....after your heavy benches for trongman are completed for the day on your scheduled chest day,do two extra sets of thirty slow and controlled reps with a slightly wider grip....heavy flyes is a staple for me and my go to movement for pec development.
I haven`t benched in years just inclines,flyes,and dips when I trained in a gym....crossovers I always did too now I think they are useless for me personally anyway.
Thanks wes!!
So my workout partner has suggested that my anterior delts have been eating my chest gains, and recommended this video to correct that:
So here's my plan for this summer:
Focus on bodybuilding. It seems like Thunder's Strongest Manlet is cancelled again this summer, due to the promoters having abandoned the project because of the pandemic restrictions over the past couple of years.
So...I won't have a contest until either the Fall, if not the new year.
I do want to keep some heavy training in, so I am ready for a strength contest with minimal events-specific training, for when those contests come up [ideally, within one month, I would like to be ready].
But - in the meantime, I want to maximize my muscle gains. I will be basically doubling my calories [from literally 1,250 daily, if not less], up to 2,500 to 3,000 or more. I will also be massively increasing my water intake to 1.5 gallons daily on training days, and one gallon on non-training days.
I'm not sure if B. Hank is interested in training me, but I'd like to do a Getbig project. If you have some training the recommendations, I would follow it.
In fact, I would follow the "wes program" for the summer, to the letter, if you have one.
If I wasn't prepared to follow it perfectly, I wouldn't ask - but if you do have a program, I would follow it 100% for my cycle!
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Thanks wes!!
So my workout partner has suggested that my anterior delts have been eating my chest gains, and recommended this video to correct that:
So here's my plan for this summer:
Focus on bodybuilding. It seems like Thunder's Strongest Manlet is cancelled again this summer, due to the promoters having abandoned the project because of the pandemic restrictions over the past couple of years.
So...I won't have a contest until either the Fall, if not the new year.
I do want to keep some heavy training in, so I am ready for a strength contest with minimal events-specific training, for when those contests come up [ideally, within one month, I would like to be ready].
But - in the meantime, I want to maximize my muscle gains. I will be basically doubling my calories [from literally 1,250 daily, if not less], up to 2,500 to 3,000 or more. I will also be massively increasing my water intake to 1.5 gallons daily on training days, and one gallon on non-training days.
I'm not sure if B. Hank is interested in training me, but I'd like to do a Getbig project. If you have some training the recommendations, I would follow it.
In fact, I would follow the "wes program" for the summer, to the letter, if you have one.
If I wasn't prepared to follow it perfectly, I wouldn't ask - but if you do have a program, I would follow it 100% for my cycle!
Only you can properly train you because only you knows how your body feels. If you got enough sleep enough rest if you are fully recovered and energized for your next workout. I will say general speaking bodybuilders do higher reps than strongmen or powerlifters with fuller range of motion more isolation and mind muscle connection less worying about the weight. Up your reps up your food and increase your rest. Train every other day instead of everyday focus on eating and recovering
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No,Shoulders look really good, back and arms look good as well.
Thanks Rob!
To be honest, I am satisfied with that shot, but it's my chest which sucks [genetics]. I feel like I can overcome that genetic deficit slightly if I stay pretty lean, get in enough protein, and focus on controlled reps like wes said, and not "ego-lifting" as B. Hank said [keeping in mind, Strongman is essentially ALL ego-lifting - form doesn't matter, just lifting the weight up does].
With some specific adjustments, my pecs can look ok immediately after I get a pump. They will never be my strong point.
That all said - do you think I have some Palumboism here? Below is a picture of me at 25, compared to the other one from just a few hours ago, now at 40.
I think it's a couple of things happening - I feel like my rhomboids are a bit thicker, which actually makes my shoulders look smaller. My body composition is probably a bit different too...but overall, I feel like my physique looks more "alive" in the 2007 picture...although I can't rule out having a touch of Palumboism here.
I think we all get that age-based physique regression - whether on GH/juice, or natural.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373944;image)
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Only you can properly train you because only you knows how your body feels. If you got enough sleep enough rest if you are fully recovered and energized for your next workout. I will say general speaking bodybuilders do higher reps than strongmen or powerlifters with fuller range of motion more isolation and mind muscle connection less worying about the weight. Up your reps up your food and increase your rest. Train every other day instead of everyday focus on eating and recovering
I currently train 4-5-6 days a week. I don't find that too much - muscle groups are recovered by the next time I train them specifically...but overall, I am not feeling recovered overall.
If that makes sense.
Basically, I'm still sore, but the muscle group I'm training is recovered.
I think in time, I will get back to the point of feeling recovered overall, within three days MAX, and not always feel a bit sore, and not fully recovered.
It may be an age thing - or, truthfully, it may actually be that I'm training a bit too hard.
I have been training very hard, and probably five days a week, on average.
I am confident I can handle four workouts a week...and my recovery should increase on gear and with increased calories, shouldn't it?
Is a 5-day training split ok? Or do you think it's unnecessary, and that I should just refine my training protocol?
Again - I am interested in training bodybuilding-style for my cycle.
I can put the Strongman stuff away for a 16-week cycle. The goal here is strictly aesthetic.
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It's basically the only thing that has paid off.
Admittedly, I never trained legs as hard as I should have. I probably averaged a leg workout once every two weeks...something like that. Whereas everything else, I trained pretty religiously, once weekly.
Maybe it's not even that I skipped legs...but basically, if I had to skip a workout, I would have skipped legs. Do that for decades, and it explains why I was bench pressed 335x2, but only squatting 385x2.
Though, in fairness, I NEVER see anyone squatting 405+. Maybe literally once a year, in the gym. Realistically, not even once a year.
But if my max bench was 345, I should have *probably* had a max squat of 445. Something like that.
My knee valgus has always been an issue though. See how my knees buckle here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdm0yhpOcCU/
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdrOfeWAutO/
^ That leg press only fits 10 plates per side [900-lb + the sled, which is probably around 110-lb]. It's probably the heaviest leg press I've ever used.
My goal is to max out that machine for a single.
I'm not going to complain if my max leg press is about 1,000 pounds, and my squat, around 405.
I can handle that.
But I will not be neglecting legs ever again, now that gyms are open for the dirty unvaccinated like myself, here in Canada.
On that note - what is your leg routine, Skeletor?
I was doing 12 sets total [4x for quads, hamstrings, and calves], but last week I did 12 sets for hamstrings, and that's when I realized that four sets per muscle group in the legs is not enough.
Though I'm not sure if I would want to do 36 sets in a leg workout...maybe 8x for quads, 8x for hamstrings, and 6x for calves - 22 sets total for legs, which would take a little over two hours.
Do you have any suggestions on that?
10 sets for quads (including squats), 8 sets hamstrings and 10 sets for calves.
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I currently train 4-5-6 days a week. I don't find that too much - muscle groups are recovered by the next time I train them specifically...but overall, I am not feeling recovered overall.
If that makes sense.
It does NOT!! Dude, I don't care what you're injecting. Your training is lousy, either too often or too severe (if not both) and you are NOT eating enough quality food. Plus, it's not just your muscles that have to recover. It's your nervous systems and joints, as well.
Basically, I'm still sore, but the muscle group I'm training is recovered.
I think in time, I will get back to the point of feeling recovered overall, within three days MAX, and not always feel a bit sore, and not fully recovered.
It may be an age thing - or, truthfully, it may actually be that I'm training a bit too hard.
I have been training very hard, and probably five days a week, on average.
I am confident I can handle four workouts a week...and my recovery should increase on gear and with increased calories, shouldn't it?
Is a 5-day training split ok? Or do you think it's unnecessary, and that I should just refine my training protocol?
Again - I am interested in training bodybuilding-style for my cycle.
I can put the Strongman stuff away for a 16-week cycle. The goal here is strictly aesthetic.
So, you're increasing your calories after lamenting two weeks ago that you're were scared to death of getting "FATTER". And you're taking steroids? So much for your health concerns.
Since your body is beat all to heck, try going back to basics, as in a full-body workout for a month or two. The better your training and diet, the better your recovery will be. That also means less anabolic use. If you insist on the needles to the rump, you may as well get as much as possible, using as little as possible.
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10 sets for quads (including squats), 8 sets hamstrings and 10 sets for calves.
Would that be 28 total sets over the course of a roughly 2-hour workout, all on the same day?
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It does NOT!! Dude, I don't care what you're injecting. Your training is lousy, either too often or too severe (if not both) and you are NOT eating enough quality food. Plus, it's not just your muscles that have to recover. It's your nervous systems and joints, as well.
I'm not injecting anything...yet. ;D
;D ;D ;D
So, you're increasing your calories after lamenting two weeks ago that you're were scared to death of getting "FATTER". And you're taking steroids? So much for your health concerns.
Since your body is beat all to heck, try going back to basics, as in a full-body workout for a month or two. The better your training and diet, the better your recovery will be. That also means less anabolic use. If you insist on the needles to the rump, you may as well get as much as possible, using as little as possible.
Isn't that the point of steroids, MCWAY? Either to:
[1] Make the same gains with less effort.
[2] Make more gains with the same effort.
[3] Make more gains with more effort. This third outcome being more likely for me, and many other serious Gym-Rats, who just do the odd, rare cycle. But more gains than I'd make simply by doing more, but without the steroids - the course you suggest I follow.
Why do you suppose anyone takes steroids, MCWAY?
Because they enhance performance! DUH!
Because - as Van Bilderass pointed out earlier in this thread - you get to the same physique level with relatively less effort.
I know FULL WELL how much - or more appropriately, how little - muscle I will gain from doing EVERYTHING you say. I could increase calories, increase water intake, refine my training perfectly, and I would - OBVIOUSLY - not make the same gains as if I do all of that [which I am prepared to do - and will do] while ALSO adding steroids.
Steroids will also allow me to be pumped and be fuller and harder all throughout the day in a way that nutrition alone simply won't get me.
It is also to make me feel "alive" - although if I have any serious mental side effects, I will simply abort my cycle, and commence PCT. Which seems unlikely, as most of the research on "roid rage" suggests that it's not the issue that the 1980's press made it out to be - though I do wonder what impact these hormones will have on my emotional state, and on my body [gains aside], but I am prepared to abort my cycle in the event of any issues, as I said.
I just expect this cycle to sort of wake me up a little - I already turn heads as it is now in a tank top, just walking around, and I expect to have some eyes on me when I go for a swim after a chest day pump.
It feels good when people are impressed with how you look - at least it does to me.
And I expect that if all goes well, this will ingrain my post-pandemic gym reopening habits - habits which I intend to keep for the rest of my life, short of the police or army literally stopping me from training at a public gym.
Do you see NO VALUE in running a cycle, MCWAY? None at all?
My doctor has basically ordered me to increase my calories - what better time to do it than on a cycle, and to both maximize my gains, and solidify those eating habits for my post-cycle training life?
The truth is - it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the same look you have on a cycle than you will have naturally, all else being equal.
Sure, I could grow to 200-lb just from eating more...but I simply will not be as full and as hard, and as pumped as I will be on juice. And I only have so much youth left, to see what my enhanced genetic potential is.
I won't be using much anyway - but I'll be using enough for it to be a noticeable visual difference in my appearance.
As for my being concerned about my health - yes, I am. I hadn't consumed any alcohol since May 22nd of last year, until just within the last week, when I drank a tall can of Budweiser [which probably costs like $5 in Canada now, lol].
If I said I was going to drink six beers every Friday night all summer, would you have the same problem with me as you do with me doing a cycle of juice? Do health-conscious people need to NEVER do anything unhealthy, even temporarily?
Furthermore - I have enough experience using sauce in my life to know I can just do this as a one-off experience for the memories [as Van said - that's why we do anything], transition back to clean training via PCT, and then just go back to normal. I will have no psychological problems going back to being a manlet - though I may walk around at 190-lb rather than 170-lb, when this is over [as I increase calories permanently, to reverse my slowing thyroid].
Is there ANY real reason why I should NEVER use juice?
joswift posted research showing that low doses of Anadrol do not lead to bad health outcomes. And THAT is the type of information I am looking for - not some George Bush Jr. "Say No To Drugs" monologue. I want more information than that - and nothing you have read has indicated to me that one one-off cycle should cause me any serious health issues.
Keep in mind, I'm talking max 750mg Sustanon weekly and max 50mg Anadrol daily during this cycle, which will be max 16 weeks.
I have done all the necessary health tests including a heart ultrasound, a lower digestive tract ultrasound, all necessary blood work [including a test I paid out of pocket for to rule out genetic autoimmune disorders], and have continually measured my resting heart rate, blood pressure, and blood sugar levels, AND I am doing this in consultation with my family physician, who routinely consults with athletes, and is a bit of an athlete himself.
AND - he stopped by two weeks ago to give me my first blood work requisition form, and he told me he was excited to see my results.
He knows me very well, and knows that I am a big-time hypochondriac [health pussy], and knows I won't go too far with this.
I have decided against taking insulin or GH, even though board treasure Van Bilderass and a separate classic Getbigger who no longer posts here both flirted with the idea of me using [either/both].
So...give me a reason not to follow through with this cycle, MCWAY. And "drugs are bad" is not an answer I would deem convincing.
Your concern has been noted - but I'm "ALL IN", my man.
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I'm not injecting anything...yet. ;D
;D ;D ;D
Isn't that the point of steroids, MCWAY? Either to:
[1] Make the same gains with less effort.
[2] Make more gains with the same effort.
[3] Make more gains with more effort. This third outcome being more likely for me, and many other serious Gym-Rats, who just do the odd, rare cycle. But more gains than I'd make simply by doing more, but without the steroids - the course you suggest I follow.
Why do you suppose anyone takes steroids, MCWAY?
Because they enhance performance! DUH!
Because - as Van Bilderass pointed out earlier in this thread - you get to the same physique level with relatively less effort.
I know FULL WELL how much - or more appropriately, how little - muscle I will gain from doing EVERYTHING you day. I could increase calories, increase water intake, refine my training perfectly, and I would - OBVIOUSLY - not make the same gains as if I do all of that [which I am prepared to do - and will do] while ALSO adding steroids.
Steroids will also allow me to be pumped and be fuller and harder all through the day in a way that nutrition alone simply won't get me.
And why would you want to be pumped all day? All the white guys (and some gals) I see who try to do that look like giant strawberries, in perpetuity.
Your performance sucks, by your own admission. That's what you need to fix first, prior to the anabolics.
It is also to make me feel "alive" - although if I have any serious mental side effects, I will simply abort my cycle, and commence PCT. Which seems unlikely, as most of the research on "roid rage" suggests that it's not the issue that the 1980's press made it out to be - though I do wonder what impact these hormones will have on my body, but I am prepared to abort my cycle in the event of any issues, as I said.
I just expect this cycle to sort of wake me up a little - I already turn heads as it is now in a tank top, just walking around, and I expect to have some eyes on me when I go for a swim after a chest day pump.
It feels good when people are impressed with how you look - at least it does to me.
Indeed it does, even more so when I'm cold and in regular clothes.
And I expect that if all goes well, this will ingrain my post-pandemic gym reopening habits - habits which I intend to keep for the rest of my life, short of the police or army literally stopping me from training at a public gym.
Your gyms are still CLOSED? Mine got reopened nearly two years ago (even back fully to 24-hours, no less).
Do you see NO VALUE in running a cycle, MCWAY? None at all?
My doctor has basically ordered me to increase my calories - what better time to do it on a cycle and to both maximize my gains, and solidify those eating habits for my post-cycle.
The truth is - it is IMPOSSIBLE to have the same look you have on a cycle than naturally, all else being equal.
Sure, I could grow to 200-lb just from eating more...but I simply will not be as full and as hard, and as pumped as I will be on juice
I won't be using much anyway - but Ill be using enough for it to be a noticeable difference in my visual appearance.
Does that mean you're going to feel "dead" when you have to cease your anabolic cycle. What happens when those gains go bye-bye, especially knowing that you have obtain them....AND KEPT THEM...without the sauce?
As for my being concerned about my health - yes, I am. I hadn't consumed any alcohol since May 22nd of last year, until just within the last week, when I drank a tall can of Budweiser [which probably costa like $5 in Canada now, lol].
If I said I was going to drink six beers every Friday night all summer, would you have the same problem with me doing a cycle of juice? Do health-conscious people need to NEVER do anything unhealthy, even temporarily?
Furthermore - I have enough experience using sauce in my life to know I can just do this as a one-off, transition back to clean training via PCT, and then just go back to normal.
Is there ANY real reason why I should NEVER use juice?
joswift posted research showing that low doses of Anadrol do not lead to bad health outcomes. And THAT is the type of information I am looking for - not some George Bush Jr. "Say No To Drugs" monologue. I want more information than that - and nothing u have read has indicated to me that one one-off cycle should cause me any serious health issues
Keep in mind, I'm talking max 750mg Sustanon weekly and max 50mg Anadrol daily, during this cycle, which will be max 16 weeks.
I have done all the necessary health tests including a heart ultrasound, a lower digestive tract ultrasound, all necessary blood work [including a test I paid out of pocket for to rule out genetic autoimmune disorders], and have continually measured my resting heart rate, blood pressure, and blood sugar levels, AND I am doing this in consultation with my family physician, who routinely consults with athletes, and is a bit of an athlete himself.
AND - he stopped by two weeks ago to give me my first blood work requisition form, and he told me he was excited to see my results.
He knows me very well, and knows that I am a big-time hypochondriac [health pussy], and knows I won't go too far with this.
I have decided against taking insulin or GH, even though board treasure Van Bilderass and a separate classic Getbigger who no longer posts here both flirted with the idea of me using either/both.
So...give me a reason not to follow through with this cycle, MCWAY. And "drugs are bad" is not an answer I would deem convincing.
Your concern has been noted - but I'm "ALL IN", my man.
I already gave you the reason. And it has nothing to do with "drugs are bad". Anyone with legitimate health concerns should be wary of anabolic use. Like any other drugs, they should be used with caution and only when absolute necessary. Other than your IMPATIENCE and the Randy-Orton-style voices in your head, your situation and the gains you seek does not necessitate the use of steroids.
And since you haven't started them yet, you'd be best served to get every thing else right first. Per your own words, you still don't feel recovered, which probably means your joints and/or nervous system needs a breather.
Nobody is going to be following you around town, hiding in the bushes with calipers, and calculating your bodyfat every 30 minutes.
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Would that be 28 total sets over the course of a roughly 2-hour workout, all on the same day?
Closer to 1hr 30-40 minute range.
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MCWAY, part of the reason why I don't do everything perfectly is because I have done everything perfectly.
And it SUCKS.
And that's why I don't want to pursue natural bodybuilding. All that extra eating and extra drinking water, and all that subsequent extra shitting and pissing - all for what? To not even look like you work out, in street clothes?
There is a reason why I pursued natural Strongman - because it is one area that you can make gains from one workout to the next, just from training hard, and eating healthy. If not even eating on the light side - caloric restriction being amazing for overall health and longevity.
Simply put, MCWAY - I don't WANT to put in all the effort needed to train naturally for bodybuilding. Even if I did everything right for 18 months, I would still look like nothing much.
And THAT is really why ANYONE uses steroids - to make the same gains, faster.
I can HANDLE training, eating, and being hydrated PERFECTLY for 16 weeks. NO PROBLEM. I have ZERO interest in applying those same principles for 18 months to make the same gains. I simply don't EVER want to do that long-term.
I want to get to a physique level that may well be possible naturally, but WITHOUT spending 18 damn months applying the principles. I have no interest in pursuing natural bodybuilding for that length of time.
I loathe the nutrition aspect of the workout culture. I love the training, and that is why natural Strongman was suitable for me - because you can achieve that with hard training, but without eating like crazy and taking three shits a day, and chronically taxing your biological processes.
I want the results in 16 WEEKS, MCWAY - not 16+ months.
Again...you know...the same reason why ANYONE uses steroids.
I already gave you the reason. And it has nothing to do with "drugs are bad". Anyone with legitimate health concerns should be wary of anabolic use. Like any other drugs, they should be used with caution and only when absolute necessary. Other than your IMPATIENCE and the Randy-Orton-style voices in your head, your situation and the gains you seek does not necessitate the use of steroids.
And since you haven't started them yet, you'd be best served to get every thing else right first. Per your own words, you still don't feel recovered, which probably means your joints and/or nervous system needs a breather.
Nobody is going to be following you around town, hiding in the bushes with calipers, and calculating your bodyfat every 30 minutes.
By that logic - why would ANYONE use steroids?
Are you implying that only those who have absolutely maxed out their natural bodybuilding potential should use steroids for bodybuilding reasons? Oh COME ON, MCWAY - WHO does that? Who??
I have trained hard enough, and know what I'm doing enough, to deserve a one-off cycle.
This allows me to have a quick-in, quick-out, and be ready for Strongman again, be it in the new year, or possibly even in the Fall.
I could train bodybuilding style, but I prefer training for strength. Again, it allows me to not have to eat so much and shit so much, but still train hard.
Do you think any 170-lb lifter is bench pressing 315-lb for reps who doesn't know how to train properly?
And I DO know how to eat properly, but have no interest in doing that for months on end, to achieve the same gains.
I'd rather just do everything right, eat sufficiently for this one lone cycle, get an idea of what I can do if I did choose to focus on bodybuilding, and just go back to training for strength.
Again - why does anyone use steroids? And again - do you think the only people who use steroids needs to max out their natural gains first? I fail to see why that is necessary.
Lastly - as I mentioned, I feel recovered for the muscle group I am training, always.
But day to day, I still feel sore in some of the muscle groups I train - but I think that's because I went back to strength training post-pandemic.
For example, I was back to deadlifting 405-lb within three deadlift workouts. I wanted to get that to 495-lb before doing a cycle, but...meh...again, is it absolutely necessary to max out before using?
As long as I settle around a 495 DL once this is all said and done, that's fine. I did lose two years in the gym, after all. And yes, MCWAY - gyms were closed for over 500 days where I am under the "Conservative" government we have in Ontario.
So I guess I am in a little bit of a rush because of that.
Anyway...back to your comment on not being recovered - I think you are right. It could just be an age thing. Or just from jumping back into heavy training too quickly. Generally, I feel that my heavy legs workouts and heavy back workouts take a while to recover from, and if I train them both heavy in a week, I have perpetual soreness.
Realistically, I should not be training both for max lifts in the same week.
I should do one heavy back workout one week, then one heavy legs workout the next week. And then, I'd probably feel more recovered, faster.
I do think that in time, I will recover faster - back to my historical pace. But your comment on my recovery has been noted - and yes, I should probably curtail my workout intensity somewhat, in order to accomplish that. I am not one to throw in a lot of junk volume - I don't worry too much about being fast between sets, but when I do get to my sets, I make them count, and consistently train to failure in at least 50% of my sets [the other sets being warmup sets].
Your comments are noted - but I do know what I'm doing. I just don't want to eat constantly and shit constantly. But I do want to do it for this one lone cycle.
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Closer to 1hr 30-40 minute range.
That sounds doable - my legs workout is tomorrow, Skeletor. I will send your posts his way, and give it a try tomorrow. I'll post my results on it after that.
Thanks.
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Hey guys, MCWAY says I shouldn't do the cycle.
He seems to be saying that steroids should only be done if they absolutely must be done. As in...only if you maxed out your natural genetics, presumably?
IMO, one need not do that. How many people who have used steroids could possibly say that they maxed out their natural potential? That seems unrealistic.
That said, I am open-minded. Should I cancel my cycle plans until I have 100% maxed out my natural genetics. So...wait until I'm 45 to run a modest one-off cycle, if I ever end up doing it at all?
Discuss.
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Hey guys, MCWAY says I shouldn't do the cycle.
He seems to be saying that steroids should only be done if they absolutely must be done. As in...only if you maxed out your natural genetics, presumably?
IMO, one need not do that. How many people who have used steroids could possibly say that they maxed out their natural potential? That seems unrealistic.
That said, I am open-minded. Should I cancel my cycle plans until I have 100% maxed out my natural genetics. So...wait until I'm 45 to run a modest one-off cycle, if I ever end up doing it at all?
Discuss.
That's your decision dude. Don't have getbig decide something like that for you. You aren't asking for opinions on a hairstyle.
That said if I were in your shoes I wouldn't take anything. I don't think your mentality is right for it. Lots of people care about long term health but not too many restrict calories to 1200 who aren't obese. Just eat more clean foods and do some Bicep work. Your back looks fine I think your biceps look flat but maybe it's just the angle. You don't need it for strongman i guess but if your considering using steroids just to improve looks that's where I'd start.
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That's your decision dude. Don't have getbig decide something like that for you.
^^^^THIS
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LOL 16 pages of talking about doing a cycle to battle the government then gives pause because one anonymous dude mentions he shouldn't.
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LOL 16 pages of talking about doing a cycle to battle the government then gives pause because one anonymous dude mentions he shouldn't.
We are talking Mr. Matt C. here are we not? LOL :D
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Hey guys, MCWAY says I shouldn't do the cycle.
He seems to be saying that steroids should only be done if they absolutely must be done. As in...only if you maxed out your natural genetics, presumably?
Ummm.....NOOO!!! What I said was:
1) The gains you seek don't require anabolics. I pointed that out first and foremost, when you voiced concerns about your health. You appear to be more terrified of eating more beef and eggs than you are of injecting steroids.
2) Your training protocol is AWFUL, regardless of whether or not you're using anabolics.
3) Until you actually start using them, you'd be best served to return to basics and let your joints and nervous system recover properly. And, your diet needs major adjustment.
4) In the event you actually get your diet and training straight, you'll get EVEN MORE out of the anabolics (likely requiring minimal usage of such for the modest gains you seek).
Obviously, you can put on muscle, if you compete as a strongman. As long as you diet gradually and don't overtrain, keeping that muscle shouldn't be an problem. Your issue isn't that you can't do it without steroids. It's that you can't do it.....AS QUICKLY.....without steroids (Again, that's impatience and the Orton voices in your head).
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Matt,
You're a sucker for details, right? ;)
So, indulge us: what does your training look like now? Split, sets, exercises, reps, do you typically train to or near failure, etc.
Also, you're always banging on about your pec development, so be particularly specific about what you're doing there. For example, does a typical set of bench press take less than thirty seconds to complete? Do you ever pause reps at the bottom? Do you do parallel dips with extra weight?
You've demonstrated that, yes, you're no dummy when it comes to training for good, even great numbers (and not just relative to your bodyweight -- 315*8 is strong, period. I was north of 220 before I could do that (!)). And I dare say that should have plenty of carry over enough to say you understand how to induce hypertrophy.
That said, after watching some of your clips, it looks like you're not _maximizing_ your training to grow, by a long shot. Part of that is eating like a bird, yes; however, there's probably a shit load of things you can do in the gym to get bigger without running anything.
On that note, I sense you've talked yourself into a cycle, so do one. You know you're on the spectrum, and if you do not follow through, the way your noggin works, you might obsess for years over what "could have been."
Just keep it simple, ok? No tren, no halo. Have PCT lined up well in advance, and follow Mcway's advice...have your training and eating down to a tee, then do your cycle.
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Ummm.....NOOO!!! What I said was:
1) The gains you seek don't require anabolics. I pointed that out first and foremost, when you voiced concerns about your health. You appear to be more terrified of eating more beef and eggs than you are of injecting steroids.
2) Your training protocol is AWFUL, regardless of whether or not you're using anabolics.
3) Until you actually start using them, you'd be best served to return to basics and let your joints and nervous system recover properly. And, your diet needs major adjustment.
4) In the event you actually get your diet and training straight, you'll get EVEN MORE out of the anabolics (likely requiring minimal usage of such for the modest gains you seek).
Obviously, you can put on muscle, if you compete as a strongman. As long as you diet gradually and don't overtrain, keeping that muscle shouldn't be an problem. Your issue isn't that you can't do it without steroids. It's that you can't do it.....AS QUICKLY.....without steroids (Again, that's impatience and the Orton voices in your head).
But I told you - I have no intention to eat masses of calories on the regular, and follow the bodybuilding diet protocol.
I have followed a perfect diet program probably for long stretches before - yes, one can make progress bodybuilding naturally. But basically at a snail's pace.
I know exactly what it means to follow a proper bodybuilding diet. My training could be improved, but I am training for strength, and not for lean muscle tissue. So my training is appropriate for what I do. I am pretty competitive in my weight class, and beat the guy who placed 3rd in the u-80kg Canadian Nationals last year [twice, in fact].
I am certain that I would be top 10 nationally in my weight class - so my training is appropriate for what I do.
But ultimately, I know how to train for bodybuilding, and I know how to eat for bodybuilding. I have no interest in doing this for 18 months to get to the same level I could get in 16 weeks from doing the same stuff using minimal juice.
Is there ANY part of that you don't understand? Again - I have no interest in employing those nutritional techniques for 18 months to get to the same level. And it wouldn't even be the same level - the fullness, the pumps, and the look from gear is unlikely to be replicated. I could be the same weight and possibly close to the same body composition, but the pumps and overall feeling would not be the same.
I have enough experience training, and enough time following a proper diet for extended periods of time to know that it won't be the same.
Also - my motivation will taper off if I train naturally, since gains will be at a snail's pace. That is why, you know, 100 PERCENT OF COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDERS AND STRONGMEN, INCLUDING LIGHTWEIGHTS AND FITNESS MODELS USE JUICE, and all that.
I can keep the motivation to eat and train perfectly for 16 weeks. To drink 500mL water every two hours all day long. To wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. To tax my pancreas and organ integrity by eating more protein and overall calories, etc.
I have NO MOTIVATION to do this for 18 months for the same gains.
Do you not grasp why people use steroids? They do it, as Van Bilderass said, to get to the same physique level faster.
Again - I have zero interest following your bro diet protocol for 18 months. I have zero interest in even LOOKING like I would on such a protocol, because to me, it's not worth it to eat like that long-term. And it's even questionable if I could look like that at all at 40.
But ultimately what I'm saying is - I have no intention or desire to spend 18 months to achieve the same look I can naturally, that I can also achieve from one paltry cycle, in less than a quarter of that time.
I have no desire to cook chicken breasts and potatoes, drink a gallon or more or water a day, and be in the bathroom pissing and shitting all day for over a year, to get the same look - and it wouldn't even BE the same look, as my waist would be wider, and the pumps wouldn't be as good.
Again, that is why ANYONE uses steroids - to get the same look faster.
Why the fuck would I bulk up to 200-lb over the course of a year and a half, get out of my competition weight class, miss contests that I'm scheduled to compete in, to pursue bodybuilding, when I am NOT A BODYBUILDER?
I can do this now, and be back to 175-180 to compete in Strongman by the new year. I'm not going to miss Strongman contests to pursue natural bodybuilding, and to probably get WEAKER in the process.
That's not in line with my goals at all.
As for my training protocol being awful - how about you post a video bench pressing 250 for 18 reps at 170, MCWAY?
In fact, go ahead and post a video of that with an 80-lb body weight advantage on me - and then you can tell me about my "AWFUL" training protocol.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeldRFRAoOS/
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Looks like I beat both of them on bench press. So please, MCWAY - your allegations of my training being awful are unfounded.
I could lower my weight, clean up my form, engage a mind-muscle connection and do slow and controlled reps, and I would improve, but ultimately my deficit is in nutrition/overall calories [at least if we're talking bodybuilding].
I could pay the best coach in the world, and I can't fathom my training would improve over any bodybuilding routine that I could program for myself.
I know exactly what I need to do to maximize my potential. I know what I need to do for nutrition, and I know what I need to do for training. I know my stuff.
But again - I have no interest in eating chicken and broccoli and chugging back protein shakes all day for over a year to make the same gains I will make from doing juice for the summer and that same level of eating.
Nor do I have any interest in maintaining that physique in the long-run - years ago I realized: I like the training, but I can't stand the eating and constant shitting. And that meant not having a physique that I'd like to have, at the benefit of not having spent the past 20 years eating chicken and broccoli and drinking shakes day in and day out for years.
I wasn't willing or interested in doing that, and in not willing to do that now.
I am willing to do it for the summer though, with juice, and follow a perfect bodybuilding program during that time. I'm just not a fan of bodybuilding nutrition. I am always dedicated to training hard.
Also, since I intend to compete at 176-lb again anyway, I can't be 200-lb over the next contest season, and I have no intention to go up a weight class.
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JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY MATT, SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT !
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Matt,
You're a sucker for details, right? ;)
So, indulge us: what does your training look like now? Split, sets, exercises, reps, do you typically train to or near failure, etc.
Sure, Titus:
I train 4-5-6 days a week. Usually it ends up being 4-5, but it's gone to six a couple of times.
I train each muscle group once per week. Although I currently do not train abs, and I mostly skip calves.
I do 12 total sets - four sets of three exercises. The first two sets are essentially warmup sets, and the next two sets are heavy sets. I train to failure on these two sets [and I know the research on that - but I prefer training to failure, as I can always judge failure].
I have a very "bro" split, along these lines:
Monday: chest.
Tuesday: back.
Wednesday: shoulders.
Thursday: biceps/triceps.
Friday: legs.
Sat/Sun: off.
^ Pretty close to that, unless my training partner has to cancel for some reason, in which case that schedule changes somewhat.
Also, you're always banging on about your pec development, so be particularly specific about what you're doing there. For example, does a typical set of bench press take less than thirty seconds to complete? Do you ever pause reps at the bottom? Do you do parallel dips with extra weight?
I would say my sets last about 30-60 seconds. So - I just do the set and finish it, and don't focus on the slow controlled bodybuilding technique.
I have paused at the bottom for, say for instance, 225x10 bench press, full second pause at the bottom - but I did that for strength building purposes. But...same idea. I have done that before - but it's not a regular thing.
I have done dips before, but never weighted dips - save for possibly a couple of exceptions, but I forget. I am open to trying anything effective though.
You've demonstrated that, yes, you're no dummy when it comes to training for good, even great numbers (and not just relative to your bodyweight -- 315*8 is strong, period. I was north of 220 before I could do that (!)). And I dare say that should have plenty of carry over enough to say you understand how to induce hypertrophy.
Thank you, Titus. In order to learn, I want to remain humble - but for MCWAY to say my training is "AWFUL"...nah. I trained for lightweight strength competition, and did so pretty effectively. And as you say, I have the knowledge to carry that over to hypertrophy.
I am by no means the best trainee ever - but I've been a dedicated and focused gym rat for years, and have had some level of success in my weight class for strength where I live.
I am absolutely confident that with the correct guidance, that I have the necessary dedication to maximize gains I would make on a cycle. And I know I can eat a proper BODYBUILDING diet during my cycle. I'm certain.
That said, after watching some of your clips, it looks like you're not _maximizing_ your training to grow, by a long shot. Part of that is eating like a bird, yes; however, there's probably a shit load of things you can do in the gym to get bigger without running anything.
On that note, I sense you've talked yourself into a cycle, so do one. You know you're on the spectrum, and if you do not follow through, the way your noggin works, you might obsess for years over what "could have been."
Just keep it simple, ok? No tren, no halo. Have PCT lined up well in advance, and follow Mcway's advice...have your training and eating down to a tee, then do your cycle.
No Halotestin...interesting . Another knowledgeable person has told me that Halo is faked a lot. So I will keep that in mind.
For me, the main deficit is caloric - but you are absolutely correct that I can clean up my form for bodybuilding, and improve gains there.
And I am 100% willing to do the slow and controlled reps, with a mind-muscle connection, with perfect form and reduced weight.
One thing about me is that I have an instinct to always going back to heavy [for me] weight. So I think it's going to take me two weeks of forcing myself on a bodybuilding program for those habits/techniques to set.
But I can do it - and I'm absolutely dedicated to doing it.
And you are right - if I don't follow through, I will wonder about it forever!
Thank you for the suggestions, Titus - any other tips, please let me know. You know - I can't recall being this excited to start a training program since I was maybe 21, and only 2-3 years into training.
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JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY MATT, SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT !
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I plan to. ;D
I disagree with MCWAY.
I mean, who gives a fuck about one lone cycle? Maybe I'm just impatient - but I've had such a lousy two years, that I just want to make progress fast.
Maybe that's what it's mainly about.
So now that it's settled, and I went for my final blood test on Monday, I will be starting my cycle - I will keep quiet about it until I know I will follow through completely, and then post about it later.
So after today, you won't hear back from me until at least a fed needles have been in my ass. ;D
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I plan to. ;D
I disagree with MCWAY.
I mean, who gives a fuck about one lone cycle? Maybe I'm just impatient - but I've had such a lousy two years, that I just want to make progress fast.
Maybe that's what it's mainly about.
So now that it's settled, and I went for my final blood test on Monday, I will be starting my cycle - I will keep quiet about it until I know I will follow through completely, and then post about it later.
So after today, you won't hear back from me until at least a fed needles have been in my ass. ;D
I`m just fucking around but pretty soon this thread will resemble the Ronnie vs. Dorian thread....epic proportions of peace. :D
Good luck dude.......train hard.
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But I told you - I have no intention to eat masses of calories on the regular, and follow the bodybuilding diet protocol.
I have followed a perfect diet program probably for long stretches before - yes, one can make progress bodybuilding naturally. But basically at a snail's pace.
I know exactly what it means to follow a proper bodybuilding diet. My training could be improved, but I am training for strength, and not for lean muscle tissue. So my training is appropriate for what I do. I am pretty competitive in my weight class, and beat the guy who placed 3rd in the u-80kg Canadian Nationals last year [twice, in fact].
If you're making progress at a "snail's pace", your diet is anything BUT perfect....at least for you.
For me, when I ditched the so-called perfect diet of chicken breasts, egg whites, and rice and went with beef and eggs and whole milk, business picked up. The gains I once thought I needed anabolics to achieve I was able to obtain without them.
I am certain that I would be top 10 nationally in my weight class - so my training is appropriate for what I do.
But ultimately, I know how to train for bodybuilding, and I know how to eat for bodybuilding. I have no interest in doing this for 18 months to get to the same level I could get in 16 weeks from doing the same stuff using minimal juice.
Is there ANY part of that you don't understand? Again - I have no interest in employing those nutritional techniques for 18 months to get to the same level. And it wouldn't even be the same level - the fullness, the pumps, and the look from gear is unlikely to be replicated. I could be the same weight and possibly close to the same body composition, but the pumps and overall feeling would not be the same.
I have enough experience training, and enough time following a proper diet for extended periods of time to know that it won't be the same.
Also - my motivation will taper off if I train naturally, since gains will be at a snail's pace. That is why, you know, 100 PERCENT OF COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDERS AND STRONGMEN, INCLUDING LIGHTWEIGHTS AND FITNESS MODELS USE JUICE, and all that.
I can keep the motivation to eat and train perfectly for 16 weeks. To drink 500mL water every two hours all day long. To wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. To tax my pancreas and organ integrity by eating more protein and overall calories, etc.
I have NO MOTIVATION to do this for 18 months for the same gains.
Do you not grasp why people use steroids? They do it, as Van Bilderass said, to get to the same physique level faster.
Again - I have zero interest following your bro diet protocol for 18 months. I have zero interest in even LOOKING like I would on such a protocol, because to me, it's not worth it to eat like that long-term. And it's even questionable if I could look like that at all at 40.
But ultimately what I'm saying is - I have no intention or desire to spend 18 months to achieve the same look I can naturally, that I can also achieve from one paltry cycle, in less than a quarter of that time.
I have no desire to cook chicken breasts and potatoes, drink a gallon or more or water a day, and be in the bathroom pissing and shitting all day for over a year, to get the same look - and it wouldn't even BE the same look, as my waist would be wider, and the pumps wouldn't be as good.
Again, that is why ANYONE uses steroids - to get the same look faster.
Why the fuck would I bulk up to 200-lb over the course of a year and a half, get out of my competition weight class, miss contests that I'm scheduled to compete in, to pursue bodybuilding, when I am NOT A BODYBUILDER?
I can do this now, and be back to 175-180 to compete in Strongman by the new year. I'm not going to miss Strongman contests to pursue natural bodybuilding, and to probably get WEAKER in the process.
That's not in line with my goals at all.
As for my training protocol being awful - how about you post a video bench pressing 250 for 18 reps at 170, MCWAY?
In fact, go ahead and post a video of that with an 80-lb body weight advantage on me - and then you can tell me about my "AWFUL" training protocol.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeldRFRAoOS/
It's been decades, since I weighed 170 lbs. And I have no intentions of being that weight ever again.
I called your training protocol "AWFUL" because YOU said you were feeling beat up and not fully recovered. And who said I had an 80-lb weight advantage on you? I didn't. That would put me at 250, which I haven't weighed in over FIFTEEN YEARS!!
And why are you stuck on this "18 months" thing? You're basically stating that, despite knowing how to eat and train perfectly, it will take you NEARLY SIX TIMES AS LONG to get the modest gains you seek without steroids as it would with them.
That's a bit of a stretch!
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Matt stop posting about some fantasy cycle you're never going to do. Either do it or don't.
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It's real simple you are using your delts when benching because you insist on going too heavy vs using less weight and using the proper muscle to move the weight. You need to rotate the shoulders back to take them out of the movement also doint go 90 degrees on the side with elbows bring them down at an angle. And then squeeze the pec during the movement get the mind muscle connection and make the pec do the work you will need to use less weight to do this and a full range of motion you don't even break 90 degrees when pressing. You are still doing half reps and using your shoulders to do the work. Lighten the weight increase the range of motion and squeeze your pecs
Stop Ego lifting
Bhanks I am also concerned for your mental health.
Matt I’m glad you’re feeling better!
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I`m just fucking around but pretty soon this thread will resemble the Ronnie vs. Dorian thread....epic proportions of peace. :D
Good luck dude.......train hard.
That's true - time to pick up the needles today [the ONE time I will wear a mask while getting them, lol], and just load one up with 250mg of Sustanon and get this show on the road.
I will stop posting in this thread at bedtime tonight, and make a cycle update thread when things get going.
I'm just not a big eater - but knowing this is just a one-off cycle, I look forward to getting on a full bodybuilding nutrition program for the duration of this cycle. I really expect good things here. :)
Thanks for the support, wes. I'll update as the cycle goes on. :)
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If you're making progress at a "snail's pace", your diet is anything BUT perfect....at least for you.
For me, when I ditched the so-called perfect diet of chicken breasts, egg whites, and rice and went with beef and eggs and whole milk, business picked up. The gains I once thought I needed anabolics to achieve I was able to obtain without them.
Now you're talking a language I understand.
But I'm somewhat confused about why those dietary changes produced a significantly improved outcome, MCWAY.
I'll be honest - all those whole foods are excellent [IMO], but I would say my go-to is chicken breasts and rice.
Exactly why might beef be a better choice? Is it the natural fats that made the difference?
I have no issue adjusting to making beef my primary meat protein source, but...what's wrong with chicken breasts? Lol.
You need to understand that when I am committed - I am COMMITTED. When I am committed, I am ALL IN.
I think if you recall my classic bodybuilding website [now offline], you may recall I am very committed.
I mean - does anyone bench press 315x8 at 170 if they aren't training hard and consistently for years? Aside from genetic freaks?
It's been decades, since I weighed 170 lbs. And I have no intentions of being that weight ever again.
I called your training protocol "AWFUL" because YOU said you were feeling beat up and not fully recovered. And who said I had an 80-lb weight advantage on you? I didn't. That would put me at 250, which I haven't weighed in over FIFTEEN YEARS!!
Yes, MCWAY.
Correct.
I find that from day to day, I'm still feeling not recovered *overall*.
I feel fully recovered today, but probably on half my days, I still feel sore from either my back day or my legs day.
However - I have been pushing a hard back day and a hard legs day both in the same week.
That's probably too much. I should probably do one heavy CNS workout per week. This week, legs, next week back, and repeat.
I don't find other muscle groups are as taxing as legs and back. Other areas recover much faster.
Again, just to be clear - it's not that I train legs when my legs are still sore - it's just that I sometimes train legs while my back is still sore, or vice versa. That's what I meant about not recovering completely.
But that's also proof that my workouts are effective - on my most recent legs day, I could not walk easily for the next two days. The issue may be that I'm taxing my CNS too much.
It's a fine line, right? We want to work out hard enough for our workouts to be effective, but not so hard that we over-train. I may be *slightly* overtraining now - but I don't think it's so much that it's making me regress - I am gaining my old strength back from one workout to the next. Literally every workout, I am a bit closer to my old lifts. I feel my physical appearance is improving [pictures below]. And I'd rather slightly over-train, then under-train. Ideally, I want to train the OPTIMAL amount, but...I'm refining everything as I go. I'm getting there, and things are going well.
And why are you stuck on this "18 months" thing? You're basically stating that, despite knowing how to eat and train perfectly, it will take you NEARLY SIX TIMES AS LONG to get the modest gains you seek without steroids as it would with them.
That's a bit of a stretch!
Yes, that's what I'm saying. ;D
Could my subclinical hypothyroidism play a role here, MCWAY?
I'm also a classical ectomorph body structure. Could that be the issue?
My experience with steroids is that within basically a few days, I'm feeling oral steroids, and within a matter of week, I'm getting better pumps and gains than I do from MONTHS of natural training.
I mean - STEROIDS WORK...right? In the 1980's, the press said they didn't work, but...that was bull.
I don't believe that I will get certain qualities without steroids - basically the pumps, the feeling of being full, and my muscles sort of "popping" a bit more.
It's not just about weight, or just about body composition. I think it's about qualities that you just can't get as a natural.
I think I could basically make the same gains in 20% of the time, because of steroids.
And as I said - I don't want to follow a bodybuilding nutrition protocol for five times as long.
Do I think I will make the same gains in 16 weeks on my planned cycle as I would make in 18 months of natural training and eating?
Yeah. More or less, yes.
I'll put it this way: I basically maxed out at the 950-lb tire in town. I couldn't flip it twice, no matter how hard I trained.
I went on Anadrol, and within two weeks, I could flip it two time. And I didn't even train tire at that time.
So yeah, steroids make a huge difference.
I feel you are severely downplaying steroids, MCWAY.
What is your body weight, MCWAY?
Because if you are natural, I just can't imagine your gains are anything special either. At my gym, we have a biohazard bin for needles - it is FULL every time I see it, with steroid gauge needles. Yet I wouldn't think ANYONE at my gym is on steroids - not one. So I simply don't believe that anyone is making natural gains, and even the juicers at my gym are less developed and less strong than me.
Really, MCWAY - what is the natural max for a man of 5'10"? Maybe 180-lb at 6% body fat?
Photos below:
Yesterday: 183-lb.
January 2020: 160-lb.
June 2021: 195-lb.
December 2021: 175-lb.
2007: 193-lb on steroids.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373944;image)
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^ Tell me, MCWAY:
Looking at those pictures, do I look even ONE PERCENTAGE lower in body fat at 160 than I do now at 183?
So do you think maybe I KNOW EXACTLY HOW I RESPOND to training, cutting, etc?
My body adapts VERY QUICKLY. And I could starve myself, and still be the same body fat percentage.
So I know exactly what works for me.
As I said, I could do all the "bro" eating, and I will just get fatter, naturally. Our bodies are extremely good at keeping us in homeostasis.
And I was at my city's biggest public pool yesterday. I WAS THE LEANEST AND MOST MUSCULAR PERSON THERE, BY FAR. out of 100+ people, EASILY.
A high school friend of mine barely recognized me, if not for my face. I hadn't seen him in person since high school, and he was flabbergasted at how in-shape I am.
So.
I just think you are being unrealistic. I find it strange that I am the fittest person at my gym - the biggest gym in town - and that I was #18 in Canada for Strongman in my weight class, but that my training is so bad, and I don't know what I'm doing. ::)
No, MCWAY. Here is reality:
I am in the top 1% of both strength AND physique development in my city. There are 50,000 men here, and there is NO CHANCE that 500 men are more in shape OR stronger than me.
I swear, this board is La La Land sometimes. Just like when I was in the army - I was the fastest and fittest soldier CONSISTENTLY in the army. And I trained with the JTF-2 [basically, Canada's Marines], and was commended by my prime minister in 2002.
You make it sound like I don't know what I'm doing, when I could warm up with the workouts of most 25-year-olds.
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Matt stop posting about some fantasy cycle you're never going to do. Either do it or don't.
I will.
I'll update this post one last time before bed tonight, then just let it carry on without me - then update my cycle in a few weeks, once it gets going.
Then the thread will be for cycle tweaks and tips.
Thanks for kicking me in the right direction, ChristopherA. :) I'm looking forward to it.
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Bhanks I am also concerned for your mental health.
Matt I’m glad you’re feeling better!
Thanks Dave!
It does anger me that - as I suspected - the pandemic lockdown bullshit was THE issue causing all my malaise.
But...I'm a free man for now, so...no need to dwell on it. Even though I will. ;D
The cycle will make me happy. If I have any mental health side effects, I'll just abort and start PCT. :)
I'll PM you.
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To look like a bodybuilder (if that is your goal) train like a bodybuilder.
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To look like a bodybuilder (if that is your goal) train like a bodybuilder.
I will start that TONIGHT. My training partner slightly injured his wrist last Saturday...I haven't heard back from him yet, but hopefully we get our biceps and triceps workout in tonight, and I can try some slow and controlled reps, and do a proper bodybuilding training program.
I much prefer heavier training...but for this summer/cycle, I am committed to training bodybuilding-style.
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I just remembered that Mike Wolf died. He was 5'11.5" and 426-lb, and had previously used steroids.
Now I'm second guessing my cycle plans.
Should I abort mission?
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I just remembered that Mike Wolf died. He was 5'11.5" and 426-lb, and had previously used steroids.
Now I'm second guessing my cycle plans.
Should I abort mission?
if you are planning to get to 426lb then yes, I think its wise.
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Matt, please ensure you get the same back photo you've posted a thousand times on each subsequent page.
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Matt, please ensure you get the same back photo you've posted a thousand times on each subsequent page.
My back double biceps pose is my only good pose.
After chest day, my chest sometimes looks ok.
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I just remembered that Mike Wolf died. He was 5'11.5" and 426-lb, and had previously used steroids.
Now I'm second guessing my cycle plans.
Should I abort mission?
I think you're sixth guessing, at least, since this thread started.
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My back double biceps pose is my only good pose.
After chest day, my chest sometimes looks ok.
This front relaxed pose is good, this is the shape and conditioning you should aim for.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373204;image)
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Now you're talking a language I understand.
But I'm somewhat confused about why those dietary changes produced a significantly improved outcome, MCWAY.
I'll be honest - all those whole foods are excellent [IMO], but I would say my go-to is chicken breasts and rice.
Exactly why might beef be a better choice? Is it the natural fats that made the difference?
I have no issue adjusting to making beef my primary meat protein source, but...what's wrong with chicken breasts? Lol.
Beef is more calorie-dense and has more nutrients. Plus, for losing weight, it keeps you satiated longer. So, you're less likely to binge. Plus, depending where you buy (and this was especially true when I was in the military), it's cheaper than chicken.
And I dig whole eggs. Whoever came up with separating the yolk from the whites needs to be HORSE-WHIPPED.
You need to understand that when I am committed - I am COMMITTED. When I am committed, I am ALL IN.
I think if you recall my classic bodybuilding website [now offline], you may recall I am very committed.
I mean - does anyone bench press 315x8 at 170 if they aren't training hard and consistently for years? Aside from genetic freaks?
Yes, MCWAY.
Correct.
I find that from day to day, I'm still feeling not recovered *overall*.
I feel fully recovered today, but probably on half my days, I still feel sore from either my back day or my legs day.
However - I have been pushing a hard back day and a hard legs day both in the same week.
That's probably too much. I should probably do one heavy CNS workout per week. This week, legs, next week back, and repeat.
I don't find other muscle groups are as taxing as legs and back. Other areas recover much faster.
Again, just to be clear - it's not that I train legs when my legs are still sore - it's just that I sometimes train legs while my back is still sore, or vice versa. That's what I meant about not recovering completely.
That's why I recommended a basic routine, such has the old-school whole body 3-times-a-week deal, to help you recover. Or, perhaps a simple split like the one I've used for nearly 30 years: Upper body - Mondays & Thursdays; Legs - Tuesdays and Fridays.
But that's also proof that my workouts are effective - on my most recent legs day, I could not walk easily for the next two days. The issue may be that I'm taxing my CNS too much.
It's a fine line, right? We want to work out hard enough for our workouts to be effective, but not so hard that we over-train. I may be *slightly* overtraining now - but I don't think it's so much that it's making me regress - I am gaining my old strength back from one workout to the next. Literally every workout, I am a bit closer to my old lifts. I feel my physical appearance is improving [pictures below]. And I'd rather slightly over-train, then under-train. Ideally, I want to train the OPTIMAL amount, but...I'm refining everything as I go. I'm getting there, and things are going well.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. ;D
Could my subclinical hypothyroidism play a role here, MCWAY?
I'm also a classical ectomorph body structure. Could that be the issue?
My experience with steroids is that within basically a few days, I'm feeling oral steroids, and within a matter of week, I'm getting better pumps and gains than I do from MONTHS of natural training.
I mean - STEROIDS WORK...right? In the 1980's, the press said they didn't work, but...that was bull.
I don't believe that I will get certain qualities without steroids - basically the pumps, the feeling of being full, and my muscles sort of "popping" a bit more.
It's not just about weight, or just about body composition. I think it's about qualities that you just can't get as a natural.
I think I could basically make the same gains in 20% of the time, because of steroids.
And as I said - I don't want to follow a bodybuilding nutrition protocol for five times as long.
Do I think I will make the same gains in 16 weeks on my planned cycle as I would make in 18 months of natural training and eating?
Yeah. More or less, yes.
I'll put it this way: I basically maxed out at the 950-lb tire in town. I couldn't flip it twice, no matter how hard I trained.
I went on Anadrol, and within two weeks, I could flip it two time. And I didn't even train tire at that time.
So yeah, steroids make a huge difference.
I feel you are severely downplaying steroids, MCWAY.
What is your body weight, MCWAY?
Because if you are natural, I just can't imagine your gains are anything special either. At my gym, we have a biohazard bin for needles - it is FULL every time I see it, with steroid gauge needles. Yet I wouldn't think ANYONE at my gym is on steroids - not one. So I simply don't believe that anyone is making natural gains, and even the juicers at my gym are less developed and less strong than me.
Really, MCWAY - what is the natural max for a man of 5'10"? Maybe 180-lb at 6% body fat?
Photos below:
Yesterday: 183-lb.
January 2020: 160-lb.
June 2021: 195-lb.
December 2021: 175-lb.
2007: 193-lb on steroids.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1373944;image)
I don't downplay steroids. But, I don't make them the be-all-end-all either (at least not for the kind of gains you seek or my own personal purposes). Again, for the most part, I've achieved many of my goals without them.
As of Monday, my bodyweight was 223 lbs. I'm not sure what my body fat level is. I'd guess somewhere in the mid-teens.
I just turned 49 on the 22nd and I feel great (except for a slightly sore right elbow). Overall, I'm stronger and bigger than I was in my college years.
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Beef is more calorie-dense and has more nutrients. Plus, for losing weight, it keeps you satiated longer. So, you're less likely to binge. Plus, depending where you buy (and this was especially true when I was in the military), it's cheaper than chicken.
And I dig whole eggs. Whoever came up with separating the yolk from the whites needs to be HORSE-WHIPPED.
When do the egg whites thing start? Back when eggs were getting a bad reputation for containing cholesterol in the early 1990's?
That's why I recommended a basic routine, such has the old-school whole body 3-times-a-week deal, to help you recover. Or, perhaps a simple split like the one I've used for nearly 30 years: Upper body - Mondays & Thursdays; Legs - Tuesdays and Fridays.
I'm settled on doing a hypertrophy-only program.
It's not going to be easy to start...I will always want to do a set of 2-6 reps, if not max out. But in two weeks...hopefully my muscle memory will switch around a little.
I don't downplay steroids. But, I don't make them the be-all-end-all either (at least not for the kind of gains you seek or my own personal purposes). Again, for the most part, I've achieved many of my goals without them.
When my shoulders are as big as my head in four months, I want you to drone on about I could have achieved that naturally.
That must be why, what, FUCKING EVERYBODY WHO IS IN AN INDUSTRY INVOLVING PHYSIQUE OF ATHLETIC ENHANCEMENT IS ON JUICE.
I mean, only EVERYBODY does it - but tell me more about far shitty natural bodybuilding will get it.
As of Monday, my bodyweight was 223 lbs. I'm not sure what my body fat level is. I'd guess somewhere in the mid-teens.
I just turned 49 on the 22nd and I feel great (except for a slightly sore right elbow). Overall, I'm stronger and bigger than I was in my college years.
If not for gym closures, I would have been stronger at 40 than I was at 25. Slower, no doubt, but not weaker.
I am only weaker now because I had a 2-year layoff.
But again - when my shoulders are as big as my head in four months, tell me all about how far I could have gone naturally.
Utter bollocks.
You talk to me like I haven't been a observer of this fraud all-drugs industry for over two decades now.
Picture from two hours ago:
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Are you doing only a sustanon 250 cycle? How often will you be injecting? Where will you inject? What size needles will you be using? Do you have anything on hand in case you start to aromatize estrogen? How many weeks will this run last? What will you be doing after the sustanon? PCT? Clomid? Enclomiphene? You should start a separate thread outlining the details. Good luck.
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Are you doing only a sustanon 250 cycle?
Sustanon 250 + Anadrol:
Weeks 1-4: 500mg Sustanon weekly + 25mg Anadrol daily.
Weeks 5-8: 625mg Sustanon weekly + 25mg Anadrol daily.
Weeks 9-12: 625mg Sustanon weekly + 50mg Anadrol daily.
Weeks 13-16: 750mg Sustanon weekly.
*PCT will follow.
**Protocol above can be modified slightly. But as per Van Bilderass' suggestion, the idea is to increase gear as time goes on, as gains slow down and diminishing returns are brought on.
How often will you be injecting?
Mondays and Fridays.
Where will you inject?
Shoulders, glutes, and quads.
What size needles will you be using?
In 2004, I had a penchant for 21 gauge needles. They seemed mid-range between harpooning a blue whale at 17ga and injecting insulin at 27ga.
Do you have anything on hand in case you start to aromatize estrogen?
Yes. Nolvadex.
How many weeks will this run last?
16 weeks. I want to get a good two months of really feeling this cycle.
What will you be doing after the sustanon? PCT? Clomid? Enclomiphene?
Clomid for PCT, although I read that Clomid is damaging to the eyesight? ???
I have a penchant for not damaging my eyesight.
You should start a separate thread outlining the details.
Small chance I abort the cycle in the first month, even though that chance is very unlikely. Much like Britney Spears' pregnancy reveal which was too early, and for which the pregnancy resulted in a miscarriage, I don't want to start an official cycle thread in the event I abort mission. Once I solidly reach Week 4, I will start a cycle updates thread.
Good luck.
Thank you. I'm 99% certain this cycle will be well underway by the Fourth of July.
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Update:
I got a second blood test on Monday to follow up on my high TSH level [slow thyroid], to rule out autoimmune disorders.
As I am not 100% certain from the results below if everything here is fine, I am saddened to report that I need to cancel my planned cycle.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679146.0;attach=1374126;image)
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Update:
I got a second blood test on Monday to follow up on my high TSH level [slow thyroid], to rule out autoimmune disorders.
As I am not 100% certain from the results below if everything here is fine, I am saddened to report that I need to cancel my planned cycle.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679146.0;attach=1374126;image)
Brother Matt, for goodness sake! The only certainty in life is that it comes to an end. And that's usually far sooner than you expect, too. Do you want to live life as a scared runt forever? YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT!! There's never going to be a perfect moment for the things you plan. JUST GET ON THE TREN NOW!
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Brother Matt, for goodness sake! The only certainty in life is that it comes to an end. And that's usually far sooner than you expect, too. Do you want to live life as a scared runt forever? YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT!! There's never going to be a perfect moment for the things you plan. JUST GET ON THE TREN NOW!
Yes...I mean...well, NO. I don't want to...that's just what I've been doing, unfortunately. :-\
But you have motivated me to start my cycle again.
That being said...I wasn't thinking Tren.
Is there a particular reason why you recommend Tren?
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Yes...I mean...well, NO. I don't want to...that's just what I've been doing, unfortunately. :-\
But you have motivated me to start my cycle again.
That being said...I wasn't thinking Tren.
Is there a particular reason why you recommend Tren?
I'm glad to hear it. We've come too far now to get scared and chicken-out of a tiny, one-off cycle. The board is ready to witness the mutation. For me, Trenbolone was the game changer that helped me turn pro. The shrink-wrapped skin, the confidence, the cannonball delts - I was literally popping out of my dishdasha and turned heads wherever I went.
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I'm glad to hear it. We've come too far now to get scared and chicken-out of a tiny, one-off cycle. The board is ready to witness the mutation. For me, Trenbolone was the game changer that helped me turn pro. The shrink-wrapped skin, the confidence, the cannonball delts - I was literally popping out of my dishdasha and turned heads wherever I went.
I've heard many good things about Tren...
The only drawback was that side effects seemed high, from some secondhand reports I heard.
Would you say that is correct, or does it just have a normal side effects profile?
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Last post before bed - then I won't post anymore unless I shit or get off the pot.
Bad news: the mom of my ex-girlfriend from 2015 hated steroids. So, I don't know...I'm reconsidering...
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I've heard many good things about Tren...
The only drawback was that side effects seemed high, from some secondhand reports I heard.
Would you say that is correct, or does it just have a normal side effects profile?
You have to remember, Matt, most people are pussies so these issues are psychosomatic. For me, the only side effect I got was a HUGE boost to my sex drive. Almost to the point where it became an issue, as my wives all started walking like John Wayne and couldn't get up and down the stairs in the morning to bring me my tea.
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You have to remember, Matt, most people are pussies so these issues are psychosomatic. For me, the only side effect I got was a HUGE boost to my sex drive. Almost to the point where it became an issue, as my wives all started walking like John Wayne and couldn't get up and down the stairs in the morning to bring me my tea.
LOL!!!
George Leeman has multiple wives now too. He lives in Thailand. Or did, last I checked.
Pete Rubish also reported raging sex drive from Tren.
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Matt,
You don't need steroids. Your natural build just needs refinement.
As previously stated, to look like a bodybuilder you have to train that way.
The low rep training you usually do is great for strength but won't get you the bodybuilder look.
For that you need to train in a rep range of 8-12.
There are many routines on the internet.
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You have to remember, Matt, most people are pussies so these issues are psychosomatic. For me, the only side effect I got was a HUGE boost to my sex drive. Almost to the point where it became an issue, as my wives all started walking like John Wayne and couldn't get up and down the stairs in the morning to bring me my tea.
Be weird to see goats walking like John Wayne. How many goats did you marry?
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Matt,
You don't need steroids. Your natural build just needs refinement.
As previously stated, to look like a bodybuilder you have to train that way.
The low rep training you usually do is great for strength but won't get you the bodybuilder look.
For that you need to train in a rep range of 8-12.
There are many routines on the internet.
Hmm...
I'm reconsidering my cycle.
That being said, who has ever used steroids only because they couldn't get to where they wanted to naturally without them?
I understand the concept of BUILDING A NATURAL BASE before using steroids. But I don't understand why someone would have to train naturally for their goals just because that's possible.
Progress from a 16-week cycle is going to take me at least a year naturally.
Even then - that's bullshit. On juice, your pumps are so good that you basically get pumped just from lifting normal objects. And the pump you get at the gym comes much faster and much more easily and stays much longer. None of that is possible naturally, even if you do get to the same body weight.
Now I'm considering this cycle again, after realizing that.
Natural training sucks.
No, I don't want to spend a year to get the gains I can get naturally in four months. If not two years. And natural nutrition is such incredible fine-tuning, unless you just want to get fat. With juice, you can pretty much eat "whatever" and still gain lean mass. Let alone if you eat properly.
With natural training, it's totally different. Even doing everything right, you progress at a snail's pace.
It's not just that you don't notice progress from workout to workout while natural - you basically don't notice it MONTH TO MONTH. For bodybuilding I mean. I have ABSOLUTELY gone a full year doing everything right for natural bodybuilding, and I know that THE PROGRESS SUCKS.
By "everything right", I mean eating 1g protein per 1-lb LBM, and eating sufficient carbs and fats + water intake.
The progress sucked.
That's why I don't natural body-build - it's useless.
Natural strength training is satisfying. Probably even BETTER, because the injury risk is lower. AND IMO, to the general public, it makes no difference if you deadlift 500 or 800. Most will consider both strong.
And WHO THE FUCK DOES NATURAL BODYBUILDING? It's unheard of because it is absolutely FUTILE. Imagine MCWAY telling me to do it, WHEN FUCKING LITERALLY NO ONE DOES IT, EVER.
Based on the fact that I see NO ONE at the gym making any progress, I don't consider the people there naturally bodybuilding.
They are just people who work out.
My goal is to actually gain muscle. It's possible to gain muscle naturally, but I don't think I have in 15 years. I've been heavier...but I was just fatter.
MCWAY claims to be natural at 223-lb and 15% body fat. Like most delusional self-reporting people, he's probably at LEAST 10% off.
So 223-lb and 25% body fat - which is EXACTLY why I don't want to do this naturally. Because that IS the best you will look.
I want to get back to this type of condition:
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Be weird to see goats walking like John Wayne. How many goats did you marry?
I'd rather be married to a few goats than one fat pig. You best watch your tone, boy. I don't take kindly to disrespect.
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Bad news: the mom of my ex-girlfriend from 2015 hated steroids. So, I don't know...I'm reconsidering...
Cliff's notes for those who have missed:
Matt is weighing using some of the stronger anabolics to help him cope with the actions of the Canadian government. He has posted thousands of pictures of himself to support this.
Then, one dude on page sixteen said he might not need them, which fucked it up and now we have the wrinkle above.
Stay tuned..........
For more pictures.
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I'd rather be married to a few goats than one fat pig. You best watch your tone, boy. I don't take kindly to disrespect.
Hahahha my wife is far from fat and I’m glad you admitted to being married to goats you fucking dirty fuck.
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Cliff's notes for those who have missed:
Matt is weighing using some of the stronger anabolics to help him cope with the actions of the Canadian government. He has posted thousands of pictures of himself to support this.
Then, one dude on page sixteen said he might not need them, which fucked it up and now we have the wrinkle above.
Stay tuned..........
For more pictures.
lol
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Hmm...
I'm reconsidering my cycle.
That being said, who has ever used steroids only because they couldn't get to where they wanted to naturally without them?
I understand the concept of BUILDING A NATURAL BASE before using steroids. But I don't understand why someone would have to train naturally for their goals just because that's possible.
Progress from a 16-week cycle is going to take me at least a year naturally.
Even then - that's bullshit. On juice, your pumps are so good that you basically get pumped just from lifting normal objects. And the pump you get at the gym comes much faster and much more easily and stays much longer. None of that is possible naturally, even if you do get to the same body weight.
Now I'm considering this cycle again, after realizing that.
Natural training sucks.
No, I don't want to spend a year to get the gains I can get naturally in four months. If not two years. And natural nutrition is such incredible fine-tuning, unless you just want to get fat. With juice, you can pretty much eat "whatever" and still gain lean mass. Let alone if you eat properly.
With natural training, it's totally different. Even doing everything right, you progress at a snail's pace.
It's not just that you don't notice progress from workout to workout while natural - you basically don't notice it MONTH TO MONTH. For bodybuilding I mean. I have ABSOLUTELY gone a full year doing everything right for natural bodybuilding, and I know that THE PROGRESS SUCKS.
By "everything right", I mean eating 1g protein per 1-lb LBM, and eating sufficient carbs and fats + water intake.
The progress sucked.
That's why I don't natural body-build - it's useless.
Who said that eating 1 gram per pound of lean body mass was doing "everything right"? Most old school magazines used to recommend 1 gram per pound of bodyweight (or 2g for every kg of bodyweight plus 20......for those who prefer the metric system).
Even I don't do the 1-gram-per-1-lb LBM thing. In fact, I got my best gains when I did closer to 1.5 grams per 1 lb of bodyweight, in my younger years. I don't need that much anymore.
And therein lies the issue. You got the idea that eating a certain way was doing "everything right" to make gains without steroids. NEWS FLASH!! SO DID I!! I came up during the old Joe Weider 60-30-10 (carbs, protein, and fat, respectively) diet gospel that FLEX and Muscle & Fitness preached almost endlessly.
The difference between you and me is that, when that doing "everything right" didn't work for me, I didn't throw my hands up, declare that "natural bodybuilding SUCKS", and go a-yearnin' for the syringe!!
I tried something else. It worked. And, I achieved the gains I'd hope to make at the time (and beyond) without using anabolics.
Getting ACCUSED of using steroids, when I could barely afford weight gainers and GNC's cheap Milk & Egg protein, pretty much validated that what I did worked.
Natural strength training is satisfying. Probably even BETTER, because the injury risk is lower. AND IMO, to the general public, it makes no difference if you deadlift 500 or 800. Most will consider both strong.
And WHO THE FUCK DOES NATURAL BODYBUILDING? It's unheard of because it is absolutely FUTILE. Imagine MCWAY telling me to do it, WHEN FUCKING LITERALLY NO ONE DOES IT, EVER.
Based on the fact that I see NO ONE at the gym making any progress, I don't consider the people there naturally bodybuilding.
They are just people who work out.
My goal is to actually gain muscle. It's possible to gain muscle naturally, but I don't think I have in 15 years. I've been heavier...but I was just fatter.
MCWAY claims to be natural at 223-lb and 15% body fat. Like most delusional self-reporting people, he's probably at LEAST 10% off.
So 223-lb and 25% body fat - which is EXACTLY why I don't want to do this naturally. Because that IS the best you will look.
I want to get back to this type of condition:
I'm not the one, singing "Nobody-Knows-The-Trouble-I-See" about his physique....YOU ARE!!!
Incidentally, I certainly am NOT 25% bodyfat. Trust me! I've been there before but am nowhere near that now.
Again, the only thing fueling this rant of your is a bug in your head and severe impatience. You brag about how strong you are and how you can make gains in strength (which, in case you forgot, does require gaining some muscle; it's not all just tendon, joint strength, leverage, and technique).
Simply refine your diet when you're looking to get cut and you should be fine. And that simply is eating less. One of the reasons I prefer beef to chicken and ESPECIALLY whole eggs to just egg whites is that it helps me hold on to muscle when I'm losing weight.
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Too much mirror gazing, Matt.
Just pick a few big compound lifts you like, get as strong in them as you can, and throw in some isolation moves with 3-5 sets of 8-12 for looks.
And stop looking at yourself in the mirror.
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Hahahha my wife is far from fat and I’m glad you admitted to being married to goats you fucking dirty fuck.
Far BEYOND fat. I burned my ass on the lightbulb last time I shagged her. You better stop going on gay rambles and eating fruits and berries like you're Les Stroud or some shit. I want you strong and ready for when I give you these hands!
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Far BEYOND fat. I burned my ass on the lightbulb last time I shagged her. You better stop going on gay rambles and eating fruits and berries like you're Les Stroud or some shit. I want you strong and ready for when I give you these hands!
:D
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Fuck off, you withered cunt. 'The scientific literature is not the same as the real world'. LOL, there's the scientific way, and then there's the Hankins way. Which is, whatever Hankins is doing, THAT'S the right way! Why? Because HE'S doing it. And there's nothing else to consider, because Hankins knows best. Doesn't matter if you lift for strength, or mental wellbeing, or for cardiovascular benefits. It doesn't matter what your views on nutrition are, or what your goals are, or what you enjoy eating. DO WHAT BRIAN DOES!
Need TRT? 500 mg per week is the minimum! Why? Because that's what Cow Head is currently using. Anything less than supraphysiological dosages is just a waste of your time, and doesn't in ANY WAY contradict the definition of 'replacement therapy'. Why? Because there's no way that Brian is simply just a deluded and arrogant fuck-up whose physique is the result of drugs alone.
Bump…
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Be weird to see goats walking like John Wayne. How many goats did you marry?
bwahaha
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Far BEYOND fat. I burned my ass on the lightbulb last time I shagged her. You better stop going on gay rambles and eating fruits and berries like you're Les Stroud or some shit. I want you strong and ready for when I give you these hands!
Please stop with the”give me these hands” nonsense. Sounds so stupid. I’m in mass. So whenever you find your way out this way maybe looking to add another goat to the harem, we can get together so I can beat your ass. Until then shut the fuck up.
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Please stop with the”give me these hands” nonsense. Sounds so stupid. I’m in mass. So whenever you find your way out this way maybe looking to add another goat to the harem, we can get together so I can beat your ass. Until then shut the fuck up.
I doubt this is the first time you messaged men over the internet asking to 'get together' and do stuff to their asses. I'll be visiting Mass in exactly 57 days from today. Mark it in your calendar because you're getting dropped and stripped naked. NO MORE TALK!
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I doubt this is the first time you messaged men over the internet asking to 'get together' and do stuff to their asses. I'll be visiting Mass in exactly 57 days from today. Mark it in your calendar because you're getting dropped and stripped naked. NO MORE TALK!
I CANT FUCKING WAIT. 57 days is on the calendar.
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Cliff's notes for the sub fued in the thread.
you're getting dropped and stripped naked.
I CANT FUCKING WAIT.
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Cliff's notes for the sub fued in the thread.
Hahahahah fuck you ape, going to train calves.
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Out of interest, what is this "something else" you tried and worked?
Who said that eating 1 gram per pound of lean body mass was doing "everything right"? Most old school magazines used to recommend 1 gram per pound of bodyweight (or 2g for every kg of bodyweight plus 20......for those who prefer the metric system).
Even I don't do the 1-gram-per-1-lb LBM thing. In fact, I got my best gains when I did closer to 1.5 grams per 1 lb of bodyweight, in my younger years. I don't need that much anymore.
And therein lies the issue. You got the idea that eating a certain way was doing "everything right" to make gains without steroids. NEWS FLASH!! SO DID I!! I came up during the old Joe Weider 60-30-10 (carbs, protein, and fat, respectively) diet gospel that FLEX and Muscle & Fitness preached almost endlessly.
The difference between you and me is that, when that doing "everything right" didn't work for me, I didn't throw my hands up, declare that "natural bodybuilding SUCKS", and go a-yearnin' for the syringe!!
I tried something else. It worked. And, I achieved the gains I'd hope to make at the time (and beyond) without using anabolics.
Getting ACCUSED of using steroids, when I could barely afford weight gainers and GNC's cheap Milk & Egg protein, pretty much validated that what I did worked.
I'm not the one, singing "Nobody-Knows-The-Trouble-I-See" about his physique....YOU ARE!!!
Incidentally, I certainly am NOT 25% bodyfat. Trust me! I've been there before but am nowhere near that now.
Again, the only thing fueling this rant of your is a bug in your head and severe impatience. You brag about how strong you are and how you can make gains in strength (which, in case you forgot, does require gaining some muscle; it's not all just tendon, joint strength, leverage, and technique).
Simply refine your diet when you're looking to get cut and you should be fine. And that simply is eating less. One of the reasons I prefer beef to chicken and ESPECIALLY whole eggs to just egg whites is that it helps me hold on to muscle when I'm losing weight.
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Hahahahah fuck you ape, going to train calves.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/Qy7ucOr1VRCZq/200w.webp)
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Hahahahah fuck you ape, going to train calfs.
FIXED :D
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So 18 pages and matt is still a chicken shit of a little bit of test?
...Explains a lot about him...
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Out of interest, what is this "something else" you tried and worked?
1) Scrapped the "60-30-10" diet thing and replaced chicken with beef, ate whole eggs or rather drank them, mixed with milk. As far as protein went, it was 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight (3 g per 2 kg of bodyweight + 25, for those who prefer the metric system) ;D.
2) No more training to failure. My nervous system really thanked me for that one.
3) Rather than ponder over the myriad of split routines, I kept it simple. Upper body (Monday and Thursdays); Legs (Tuesdays and Fridays)....hat tip to former Mr. Universe, Bill Pearl.
4) The only supplements I could afford, for the most parts, were weight gainers and protein powders. So, I ate half my calories and drank the other half. Even though I did blend my eggs with milk, I counted that as a regular meal since it was made of regular food.
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So 18 pages and matt is still a chicken shit of a little bit of test?
...Explains a lot about him...
He's going to keep polluting every thread with his posts, as long as an essay, about a fantasy cycle he'll never have the balls you do. Go take some SARMs you pussy
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He's going to keep polluting every thread with his posts, as long as an essay, about a fantasy cycle he'll never have the balls you do. Go take some SARMs you pussy
ChristopherA [Chris?] - I have zero beef with you, so either squash whatever beef you have or shut it.
Your critique about my long posts have been noted - it needs to be resolved. One way or another, I need to resolve that issue.
Regarding the cycle - you probably know me well enough to know that I basically don't upset my routine in anywhere in my life. You know...I DO have a good reason for this. Basically, in my twenties and early thirties, I saved everything I earned, until I had $750K to $1.25M, so I could live off the interest.
And I don't want to mess that up - and THAT is the psychological reason I am so cautious in terms of making changes. Because for as much of a mess as I was during the pandemic, I am in a REALLY lucky/blessed spot. It's nice to not have to worry about keeping my lights on.
Just so you know why I'm so hesitant to make changes. I also had to wait until my thyroid blood test got back - which just came back yesterday.
So now - I'm starting to this cycle as SOON as I grab needles.
That's it...just needles. My receptors are fresh from not using any gear since 2016 - and I haven't actually injected any since 2006. I haven't been this excited about a cycle since my first one in 2004. I'm "ALL IN" this time.
It's a shame about my long posts - but I'm doing this.
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Who said that eating 1 gram per pound of lean body mass was doing "everything right"? Most old school magazines used to recommend 1 gram per pound of bodyweight (or 2g for every kg of bodyweight plus 20......for those who prefer the metric system).
Even I don't do the 1-gram-per-1-lb LBM thing. In fact, I got my best gains when I did closer to 1.5 grams per 1 lb of bodyweight, in my younger years. I don't need that much anymore.
And therein lies the issue. You got the idea that eating a certain way was doing "everything right" to make gains without steroids. NEWS FLASH!! SO DID I!! I came up during the old Joe Weider 60-30-10 (carbs, protein, and fat, respectively) diet gospel that FLEX and Muscle & Fitness preached almost endlessly.
The difference between you and me is that, when that doing "everything right" didn't work for me, I didn't throw my hands up, declare that "natural bodybuilding SUCKS", and go a-yearnin' for the syringe!!
I tried something else. It worked. And, I achieved the gains I'd hope to make at the time (and beyond) without using anabolics.
Getting ACCUSED of using steroids, when I could barely afford weight gainers and GNC's cheap Milk & Egg protein, pretty much validated that what I did worked.
Do you think someone can attain a physique like this without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym?:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1374139;image)
Do you think a person could bench press 315 for reps without having a solid understanding of how to work out, and what their generic potential may be, etc?
The literature is pretty clear that progressive is maximized on roughly 1g of protein per 1-lb of lean body mass. So at ~180, I probably have 145-lb of LBM. Maybe more - maybe a bit less.
That means I would need 160g of protein daily to make progress. Let's call it 200g daily JUST TO BE SURE.
Also, consider that protein can only be synthesized at a certain rate, and only up to around 48g of protein can be synthesized from one meal.
Which means I would want to be having AT LEAST four meals a day with ~50g of protein per meal, if not more meals, with slightly less protein per meal to both get that target quantity of protein AND to synthesize it.
Next, I would want to focus on slow and controlled reps, the mind-muscle connection, and other principles of bodybuilding/hypertrophy training, rather than focus on strength or anything else.
^ THAT nutrition and training outline will roughly maximize ANY natural's bodybuilding potential, MCWAY. The literature is exceedingly clear on this point, and my experience tells me the literature is right, as I just gain fat if I attempt to eat more protein than that.
But here's the thing: I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES RELIGIOUSLY FOR MONTHS ON END. Over a year, really. I have never stayed on those principles for YEARS [plural], because I know EXACTLY how LITTLE muscle I gain by doing so, and I saw NO benefit to working so hard for such little progress because, as I said, natural bodybuilding SUCKS!
MCWAY - did you ever stop and wonder why EVERYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY DEDICATED TO BODYBUILDING IS ON JUICE??
NOBODY, even at my level of Strongman, is clean. Even the 176-lb'er's are on juice! Probably 80% of them. At EVERY LOCAL CONTEST I competed in - everyone was on juice! Maybe one guy wasn't [check YouTube for Jeff Nason - supposedly, he's clean].
And you know DAMN WELL that I know what I'm doing well enough to MAXIMIZE my cycle results. So why are you talking me out of it?
Some juicers don't want me to use because they know DAMN WELL that steroids are massive, and they would rather me think that they are genetic freaks or have a better work ethic - or BOTH - and know that I will realize they are frauds if I juiced and saw for myself how much they help.
But why do you as a clean athlete want me to not use? Is it because you think it lends credibility to your own decision not to juice? If not, why? Is it because you think steroids are dangerous? They are STEROIDS, MCWAY. NOT diuretics! Not some other shady industry chemical agent. STEROIDS - TRIED, TESTED, AND TRUE.
Sustanon and Anadrol have been around for DECADES. And there is no reason to worry about the danger of either, given how much knowledge we have on both.
So what exactly is your concern? I told you - I'm not going to spend over a YEAR training and eating perfectly to get the same outcome this cycle could bring me in four months, because:
[1] It will take at least 18 months.
[2] Even THEN, the results won't be as good!
[3] I don't have the motivation to partake in the mundane monotony of eating 4-6 bodybuilding meals a day for 18 months. Most people can't handle the TRAINING to be a bodybuilder. I have OBVIOUSLY PROVEN I can handle the training. What I can't handle is the eating - eating ENOUGH. And I have no interest in following a BB diet for YEARS - which you are saying may not even work even if I do everything right. WHICH I AGREE WITH - BECAUSE I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES COUNTLESS TIMES, AND I KNOW THE PROGRESS SUCKS.
And that's EXACTLY why I am going to CHEAT by TAKING STEROIDS. Because I don't want to put the time in EATING. In the end, it will just be a faster way to get to the same physique level. Again, I have ZERO INTEREST in even spending eight months to make the same gains as I will from four months of juice.
And I will NOT make the same progress in eight months naturally.
I'm not the one, singing "Nobody-Knows-The-Trouble-I-See" about his physique....YOU ARE!!!
Incidentally, I certainly am NOT 25% bodyfat. Trust me! I've been there before but am nowhere near that now.
Then post a picture. *I* have proven ALL of my lifts/claims.
Only when I got to #18 in my weight class in Canada on my first try did I realize how utterly full of shit people. Yet for years, I was reading comments making it sound like anyone at my level is some common thing. Even those not being critical. You aren't being critical - but reading your comments, I should spend the next five years "building a base" before juicing, when in reality, I'm UNQUESTIONABLY in the top 1% of strength and physique aesthetics as it is.
IF SOMEONE IN THE TOP 1% OF GYM GOERS SHOULDN'T USE STEROIDS, THEN WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK SHOULD USE IT?
Again, the only thing fueling this rant of your is a bug in your head and severe impatience. You brag about how strong you are and how you can make gains in strength (which, in case you forgot, does require gaining some muscle; it's not all just tendon, joint strength, leverage, and technique).
Simply refine your diet when you're looking to get cut and you should be fine. And that simply is eating less. One of the reasons I prefer beef to chicken and ESPECIALLY whole eggs to just egg whites is that it helps me hold on to muscle when I'm losing weight.
I've just spent two fucking years dealing with my government breaking the law over a 99.9% survivable virus, with gyms here closed for 500+ days. I spent 6.5 months of last year in legal action communication with the police, and had the longest layoff from the gym in my life.
I have NO INTEREST in natural training. I have been feeling vastly improved since the gym has reopened, and after living through the darkest period of my life, I will NOT let the momentum die off.
Juice will keep it going, and keep my motivation to feel alive.
I don't want to make progress naturally right now when I could do everything you say and make 3x that progress while on steroids.
I have NO MOTIVATION to do this naturally. Before the gyms closing again in January, my gym owner allowed me to train without a "vaccine passport". I spent my first six months back eating PERFECTLY. Six months is not nothing, MCWAY. And I've done that many times before.
So I know DAMN WELL how little muscle I would gain doing this naturally. I know DAMN WELL how slowly I would make those gains.
And THAT is why I'm not doing that!
I got off my "bro" diet in January, because the fucking gyms closed again. >:(
But even if gyms did not close, I don't even have motivation to keep doing everything perfectly, because the gains suck! My motivation to EAT ENOUGH always dwindles after so many months for this reason.
And THAT is why I'm a natural STRONGMAN, MCWAY.
NOT a bodybuilder.
Because I HATE the nutrition / eating enough part.
MCWAY - did you know I am on under 100g carbs daily? Not temporarily - ALWAYS.
I am ALWAYS in ketosis, MCWAY.
See the results below - proof that I am just SLIGHTLY in ketosis, as determined by the ketones in my urine.
So CLEARLY I have proven I can follow a highly strict diet. In fact, my thyroid SLOWED from eating so little!
It's eating ENOUGH that I hate. I hate the shopping, I hate the cooking, and I hate the eating. I hate ALL of it! And for natural gains - it's unbearable!
But can I handle doing everything right for 16 weeks?
Absolutely!
And - I have 176-lb Strongman contests to compete in, in the fall or new year. So I'm not bulking up naturally, because I need to make weight by then.
I have NO INTEREST in natural bodybuilding, MCWAY.
You also seem to think I want to look like this long-term. I don't. I mean - maybe if I like how I look, I may just ramp up my nutrition post-cycle, to look the same. But I don't want to go up a weight class.
If I DO like how I look - then maybe I WILL do the natural nutrition techniques you speak of. But maybe I didn't make it clear that I don't want to look like this. Just for her summer.
You know - it goes to -40°F here in the winter! So since I'll be covered up all winter, I just want to look like this in the summer.
I don't believe I can achieve what I want in any less than a year. And I have a u-80kg Strongman contest in January. And that's why ANYONE uses steroids, MCWAY - to get to a particular physique level FASTER or MORE EFFICIENTLY than they otherwise could.
Anyway, you have never proven your strength OR shown your physique level on here. If you are natural, my guess is that you more or less suck.
I could walk into any gym in my city every hour on the hour for the next five years, and I'd be the strongest person in any of them 90% of the time. And those aren't normal people - those are the ones who TRAIN.
People are massively full of shit on message boards.
And EVERYONE in an industry that benefits from steroids, is on steroids. Certainly under 20% of people training at my level regularly have never used.
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So now - I'm starting to this cycle as SOON as I grab needles.
And a years supply of food up front, right?
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More Cliff's notes:
Your critique about my long posts have been noted - it needs to be resolved.
Literally the next post:
Do you think someone can attain a physique like this without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym?:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1374139;image)
Do you think a person could bench press 315 for reps without having a solid understanding of how to work out, and what their generic potential may be, etc?
The literature is pretty clear that progressive is maximized on roughly 1g of protein per 1-lb of lean body mass. So at ~180, I probably have 145-lb of LBM. Maybe more - maybe a bit less.
That means I would need 160g of protein daily to make progress. Let's call it 200g daily JUST TO BE SURE.
Also, consider that protein can only be synthesized at a certain rate, and only up to around 48g of protein can be synthesized from one meal.
Which means I would want to be having AT LEAST four meals a day with ~50g of protein per meal, if not more meals, with slightly less protein per meal to both get that target quantity of protein AND to synthesize it.
Next, I would want to focus on slow and controlled reps, the mind-muscle connection, and other principles of bodybuilding/hypertrophy training, rather than focus on strength or anything else.
^ THAT nutrition and training outline will roughly maximize ANY natural's bodybuilding potential, MCWAY. The literature is exceedingly clear on this point, and my experience tells me the literature is right, as I just gain fat if I attempt to eat more protein than that.
But here's the thing: I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES RELIGIOUSLY FOR MONTHS ON END. Over a year, really. I have never stayed on those principles for YEARS [plural], because I know EXACTLY how LITTLE muscle I gain by doing so, and I saw NO benefit to working so hard for such little progress because, as I said, natural bodybuilding SUCKS!
MCWAY - did you ever stop and wonder why EVERYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY DEDICATED TO BODYBUILDING IS ON JUICE??
NOBODY, even at my level of Strongman, is clean. Even the 176-lb'er's are on juice! Probably 80% of them. At EVERY LOCAL CONTEST I competed in - everyone was on juice! Maybe one guy wasn't [check YouTube for Jeff Nason - supposedly, he's clean].
And you know DAMN WELL that I know what I'm doing well enough to MAXIMIZE my cycle results. So why are you talking me out of it?
Some juicers don't want me to use because they know DAMN WELL that steroids are massive, and they would rather me think that they are genetic freaks or have a better work ethic - or BOTH - and know that I will realize they are frauds if I juiced and saw for myself how much they help.
But why do you as a clean athlete want me to not use? Is it because you think it lends credibility to your own decision not to juice? If not, why? Is it because you think steroids are dangerous? They are STEROIDS, MCWAY. NOT diuretics! Not some other shady industry chemical agent. STEROIDS - TRIED, TESTED, AND TRUE.
Sustanon and Anadrol have been around for DECADES. And there is no reason to worry about the danger of either, given how much knowledge we have on both.
So what exactly is your concern? I told you - I'm not going to spend over a YEAR training and eating perfectly to get the same outcome this cycle could bring me in four months, because:
[1] It will take at least 18 months.
[2] Even THEN, the results won't be as good!
[3] I don't have the motivation to partake in the mundane monotony of eating 4-6 bodybuilding meals a day for 18 months. Most people can't handle the TRAINING to be a bodybuilder. I have OBVIOUSLY PROVEN I can handle the training. What I can't handle is the eating - eating ENOUGH. And I have no interest in following a BB diet for YEARS - which you are saying may not even work even if I do everything right. WHICH I AGREE WITH - BECAUSE I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES COUNTLESS TIMES, AND I KNOW THE PROGRESS SUCKS.
And that's EXACTLY why I am going to CHEAT by TAKING STEROIDS. Because I don't want to put the time in EATING. In the end, it will just be a faster way to get to the same physique level. Again, I have ZERO INTEREST in even spending eight months to make the same gains as I will from four months of juice.
And I will NOT make the same progress in eight months naturally.
quote author=MCWAY link=topic=679166.msg9798593#msg9798593 date=1654871879]I'm not the one, singing "Nobody-Knows-The-Trouble-I-See" about his physique....YOU ARE!!!
Incidentally, I certainly am NOT 25% bodyfat. Trust me! I've been there before but am nowhere near that now.
Then post a picture. *I* have proven ALL of my lifts/claims.
Only when I got to #18 in my weight class in Canada on my first try did I realize how utterly full of shit people. Yet for years, I was reading comments making it sound like anyone at my level is some common thing. Even those not being critical. You aren't being critical - but reading your comments, I should spend the next five years "building a base" before juicing, when in reality, I'm UNQUESTIONABLY in the top 1% of strength and physique aesthetics as it is.
IF SOMEONE IN THE TOP 1% OF GYM GOERS SHOULDN'T USE STEROIDS, THEN WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK SHOULD USE IT?
I've just spent two fucking years dealing with my government breaking the law over a 99.9% survivable virus, with gyms here closed for 500+ days. I spent 6.5 months of last year in legal action communication with the police, and had the longest layoff from the gym in my life.
I have NO INTEREST in natural training. I have been feeling vastly improved since the gym has reopened, and after living through the darkest period of my life, I will NOT let the momentum die off.
Juice will keep it going, and keep my motivation to feel alive.
I don't want to make progress naturally right now when I could do everything you say and make 3x that progress while on steroids.
I have NO MOTIVATION to do this naturally. Before the gyms closing again in January, my gym owner allowed me to train without a "vaccine passport". I spent my first six months back eating PERFECTLY. Six months is not nothing, MCWAY. And I've done that many times before.
So I know DAMN WELL how little muscle I would gain doing this naturally. I know DAMN WELL how slowly I would make those gains.
And THAT is why I'm not doing that!
I got off my "bro" diet in January, because the fucking gyms closed again. >:(
But even if gyms did not close, I don't even have motivation to keep doing everything perfectly, because the gains suck! My motivation to EAT ENOUGH always dwindles after so many months for this reason.
And THAT is why I'm a natural STRONGMAN, MCWAY.
NOT a bodybuilder.
Because I HATE the nutrition / eating enough part.
MCWAY - did you know I am on under 100g carbs daily? Not temporarily - ALWAYS.
I am ALWAYS in ketosis, MCWAY.
See the results below - proof that I am just SLIGHTLY in ketosis, as determined by the ketones in my urine.
So CLEARLY I have proven I can follow a highly strict diet. In fact, my thyroid SLOWED from eating so little!
It's eating ENOUGH that I hate. I hate the shopping, I hate the cooking, and I hate the eating. I hate ALL of it! And for natural gains - it's unbearable!
But can I handle doing everything right for 16 weeks?
Absolutely!
And - I have 176-lb Strongman contests to compete in, in the fall or new year. So I'm not bulking up naturally, because I need to make weight by then.
I have NO INTEREST in natural bodybuilding, MCWAY.
You also seem to think I want to look like this long-term. I don't. I mean - maybe if I like how I look, I may just ramp up my nutrition post-cycle, to look the same. But I don't want to go up a weight class.
If I DO like how I look - then maybe I WILL do the natural nutrition techniques you speak of. But maybe I didn't make it clear that I don't want to look like this. Just for her summer.
You know - it goes to -40°F here in the winter! So since I'll be covered up all winter, I just want to look like this in the summer.
I don't believe I can achieve what I want in any less than a year. And I have a u-80kg Strongman contest in January. And that's why ANYONE uses steroids, MCWAY - to get to a particular physique level FASTER or MORE EFFICIENTLY than they otherwise could.
Anyway, you have never proven your strength OR shown your physique level on here. If you are natural, my guess is that you more or less suck.
I could walk into any gym in my city every hour on the hour for the next five years, and I'd be the strongest person in any of them 90% of the time. And those aren't normal people - those are the ones who TRAIN.
People are massively full of shit on message boards.
And EVERYONE in an industry that benefits from steroids, is on steroids. Certainly under 20% of people training at my level regularly have never used.
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Great BDB there by MattC
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ChristopherA [Chris?] - I have zero beef with you, so either squash whatever beef you have or shut it.
Hahahahahahahahahaha the 150 lb spastic manlet has spoken. You fucking windsocking attention-whoring retard.
Will you commit suicide after you finally complete your lameass cycle and realize that you have absolutely zero potential for bodybuilding, gained no appreciable size, and you’re still a socially inept retard?
Maybe you should write Trudeau a sternly worded letter and make sure you have his permission to go on a cycle….you spineless, racist, little fucking weirdo.
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Matt,
Are you interested in natural training and what are your reasons either way?
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So are you still putting dumbbells on benches?
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Matt,
Are you interested in natural training and what are your reasons either way?
He better order a titanium keyboard because the plastic ones will likely melt before he finishes typing his response to this.
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He better order a titanium keyboard because the plastic ones will likely melt before he finishes typing his response to this.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha the 150 lb spastic manlet has spoken. You fucking windsocking attention-whoring retard.
Will you commit suicide after you finally complete your lameass cycle and realize that you have absolutely zero potential for bodybuilding, gained no appreciable size, and you’re still a socially inept retard?
Maybe you should write Trudeau a sternly worded letter and make sure you have his permission to go on a cycle….you spineless, racist, little fucking weirdo.
Fucking brutal. LOL ;D
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Hahahahahahahahahaha the 150 lb spastic manlet has spoken. You fucking windsocking attention-whoring retard.
Will you commit suicide after you finally complete your lameass cycle and realize that you have absolutely zero potential for bodybuilding, gained no appreciable size, and you’re still a socially inept retard?
Maybe you should write Trudeau a sternly worded letter and make sure you have his permission to go on a cycle….you spineless, racist, little fucking weirdo.
Fucking brutal. LOL ;D
RIP
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Do you think someone can attain a physique like this without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym?:
Do you think a person could bench press 315 for reps without having a solid understanding of how to work out, and what their generic potential may be, etc?
The literature is pretty clear that progressive is maximized on roughly 1g of protein per 1-lb of lean body mass. So at ~180, I probably have 145-lb of LBM. Maybe more - maybe a bit less.
That means I would need 160g of protein daily to make progress. Let's call it 200g daily JUST TO BE SURE.
Also, consider that protein can only be synthesized at a certain rate, and only up to around 48g of protein can be synthesized from one meal.
Which means I would want to be having AT LEAST four meals a day with ~50g of protein per meal, if not more meals, with slightly less protein per meal to both get that target quantity of protein AND to synthesize it.
Next, I would want to focus on slow and controlled reps, the mind-muscle connection, and other principles of bodybuilding/hypertrophy training, rather than focus on strength or anything else.
Regarding protein, I think you need to look at Milos training log again. Pay attention to how many calories and how many grams of protein he's eating in a day. The body can synthesize much more that 50g of protein per meal.
Regarding your training, you've picked up some bad habits. The form you're using on some of your lifts is just asking for injury. The nice thing about bodybuilding is the risk of injury is much lower than power lifting or strong man.
On your Instagram you show that you can bench 250-lb bench press for 18 reps, which is impressive and I could not do the same. My chest is probably my weakest body part muscular development wise, but it's probably better than yours mainly because my training is purely focused on building muscle. I do two different angles of incline bench on the smith machine and usually do a drop set. I use the dip machine for lower pec.
I'm always amazed when I see people in the gym who are stronger than me but don't have the build I have. For example, there's a guy at my gym that can squat three plates a side on the smith machine for six reps, which I don't think I could do, but my legs are better than his because I'm training and dieting smarter.
You train hard and heavy, but you don't train smart. You're diet was holding you back, but your training style was too.
Do I think someone can attain a physique like Yours without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym? Yes. You are proof of that.
On Instagram you show a two rep leg press with eight plates a side. Let's see the 12 rep and 15 rep with a lower weight.
https://www.instagram.com/matthew_thunderbay/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/matthew_thunderbay/?hl=en)
You're biggest problem is you ego lift and care how much weight your moving. Try training without the ego. Build, don't lift.
Take note on Robcguns workouts. Note the reps and the sets. You don't have to train with that kind of crazy volume, but you would be amazed at the results if you did.
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Strength training and bodybuilding training, while overlapping in some respects, require different strategies since the goals are different.
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Matt has that soulless, 1,000 yard stare.
Reminds me of this guy:
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Hahahahahahahahahaha the 150 lb spastic manlet has spoken. You fucking windsocking attention-whoring retard.
Will you commit suicide after you finally complete your lameass cycle and realize that you have absolutely zero potential for bodybuilding, gained no appreciable size, and you’re still a socially inept retard?
Maybe you should write Trudeau a sternly worded letter and make sure you have his permission to go on a cycle….you spineless, racist, little fucking weirdo.
I don't really need to say more. The ego on this autistic fruitcake to think anyone wants to read paragraphs and paragraphs of his posts from here.
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I don't really need to say more. The ego on this autistic fruitcake to think anyone wants to read paragraphs and paragraphs of his posts from here.
There is one obvious fact that has emerged from this thread:
Matt Canning wants to lick Shizzo’s fishy butt slit.
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There is one obvious fact that has emerged from this thread:
Matt Canning wants to lick Shizzo’s fishy butt slit.
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That's right Shiz, you're a pure bottom. Don't let these guys straighten you out one inch.
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That's right Shiz, you're a pure bottom. Don't let these guys straighten you out one inch.
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Milos on protein absorption.
Much more than 50 grams per meal.
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And a years supply of food up front, right?
One month's worth!
Just got that, so...I'm good.
Sunday [today] would be a good day to inject my first 1mL of 250mg/mL Sustanon 250!
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More Cliff's notes:
Literally the next post:
Hmf.
Still needs work!
Thanks for pressing me on that matter.
Needs to be resolved.
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Great BDB there by MattC
Thank you!
The BDB is my one solid pose - I really hope I can bring it up a level from a cycle. To the point that People seeing it would confuse me for maybe a physique guy off-season.
I'm not saying I'd look like one - but just improve enough where normal people may think I compete.
I have some specific goals for the cycle:
Seated overhead dumbbell presses with 110-lb per hand, for reps, would be one of them.
:)
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Thank you!
The BDB is my one solid pose - I really hope I can bring it up a level from a cycle. To the point that People seeing it would confuse me for maybe a physique guy off-season.
I'm not saying I'd look like one - but just improve enough where normal people may think I compete.
I have some specific goals for the cycle:
Seated overhead dumbbell presses with 110-lb per hand, for reps, would be one of them.
:)
Well it is Sunday you doing this shit or not
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Thank you!
The BDB is my one solid pose - I really hope I can bring it up a level from a cycle. To the point that People seeing it would confuse me for maybe a physique guy off-season.
I'm not saying I'd look like one - but just improve enough where normal people may think I compete.
I have some specific goals for the cycle:
Seated overhead dumbbell presses with 110-lb per hand, for reps, would be one of them.
:)
The reality is that people are self-centered and do not care a whit about you.
They are not thinking about you at all.
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Well it is Sunday you doing this shit or not
Yep! Just acquired the needles today.
So I will now out of this thread, and post a cycle update thread at some point in the next 28 days.
Can't wait.
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The reality is that people are self-centered and do not care a whit about you.
They are not thinking about you at all.
Very true. I'm just looking to do a one-off cycle, and leave it alone for years - if not forever.
Back double biceps picture [flash-off, flash-on] from 40 minutes ago, after my chest workout from tonight:
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Matt, what will your diet be for this cycle?
Will it still be the extreme low calories/ ketosis?
How will you get to 185-190 in a deficit?
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So Matt complained about some thyroid issues or something not too long ago and rather then deal with that first, he plans on jumping on a one off cycle?
This is gonna end well
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Matt, what will your diet be for this cycle?
Will it still be the extreme low calories/ ketosis?
How will you get to 185-190 in a deficit?
Roughly 200g protein, 200g carbs, and 75g fats to start.
That's 2,275 total calories - which doesn't sound like much, but keep in mind that is 2x my current caloric intake [EDIT].
I will be drinking one gallon a day to start. I'll check the colour of my urine, and ensure I am always drinking enough water to be fully hydrated.
As the cycle goes on, I can ramp up both water and protein/overall calories as I adjust to it.
Presumably, I will be out of ketosis - and hopefully my slow thyroid will correct itself, due to eating more.
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So Matt complained about some thyroid issues or something not too long ago and rather then deal with that first, he plans on jumping on a one off cycle?
This is gonna end well
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My slow thyroid was determined by high TSH:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679146.0;attach=1371150;image)
So my doctor followed that up by giving me a full thyroid panel to rule out autoimmune disorders, such as Hashimoto's thyroiditis:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679146.0;attach=1374247;image)
The full result proved as a medical certainty that my slow thyroid was exclusively caused by my caloric restriction - and will reverse itself if I just eat more. My doctor suggested +300 calories daily, but I intend to go much higher than that, for the purposes of this cycle.
I hate eating. But I'll do it for this cycle.
A caloric deficit will definitely slow your thyroid down in a matter of weeks
^ Rambone was right.
B. Hank was also right - I don't have a slow thyroid - it just slowed from caloric restriction.
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So Matt complained about some thyroid issues or something not too long ago and rather then deal with that first, he plans on jumping on a one off cycle?
This is gonna end well
I dealt with it by getting a second blood test full thyroid panel, and determining that I have no thyroid issues. ;D
I just don't eat enough - so my thyroid will get back up to normal speed if I just start eating like a normal person.
Which I hate, but...I'll do that for the 16 week course of this cycle.
:)
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Very true. I'm just looking to do a one-off cycle, and leave it alone for years - if not forever.
Back double biceps picture [flash-off, flash-on] from 40 minutes ago, after my chest workout from tonight:
Feel free to use this and adjust the macros.
I used this when I was under Dennis James’s tutelage.
Supplements:
Multivitamins and Minerals 2 x aday with M#1 and M#6.
100mg sustained release B-Complex with breakfast only.
1000mg vitamin C, with M#1 and M#6.
400IU vitamin E, with M#1 and M#6.
Q10, 50mg with M#1 and M#6.
off season diet and supps start September 10th 2017
Diet:
6-6.30am upon rising do 2 units of GH and 1000mg HMB when taken GH
40g whey isolate plus 1 banana.
3 days a week have 1 black coffee, 1 baby aspirin, 5gr Bcaas and 5g Glutamine with the whey isolate but without the banana. Wait 30min and so 30min high intensity cardio.
10min before meal 1
2000mg CLA
1000mg L Carnitine
1. 8am 6oz chicken 2 whole eggs, 1 1/2cups Oatmeal with some raisins
1glass any juice you like.
Digestive enzymes.
9am Training
Intra workout ( during training)have 15g bcaa's and 35g vitargo
2. 10.30-11am Immediately after training have 60g whey isolate, 10g Glutamine, 5gr creatine and 50g vitargo
Between meal 2 & 3
5grams of Leucine
5000mg L-Arginine
600mg NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine
3. 12pm 8oz chicken, 2cups white rice ( cooked)
2000mg CLA
1000mg L-Carnitine
Digestive enzymes
4. 3pm 8oz chicken, 12oz potato, 1 cup veggies( anything green like asparagus, broccoli,green beans, spinach or salad)
1 tablespoon MCT oil
10min before meal 5
2000mg CLA
1000mg L Carnitine
5. 6pm 8oz steak, 1 1/2cups brown rice
Digestive enzymes
Between meal 5 & 6
5grams of Leucine
5000mg L-Arginine
600mg NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine
do 2 units of GH and 1000mg HMB when taken GH
6. 9pm 10oz white fish, 8oz potato, 1 cup veggies
Digestive enzymes
Gear:
Sustanon 250mg Monday, Wednesday and Friday
EQ 200g Mo, Wed and Friday
Dbol 10mg with meal 1/2/3/4/5
1 tab 25mg Proviron with meal 1
1 tab 1/2mg Arimidex every other day with meal 5
GH 2iu's first thing in the morning and 2i.u's between meal 5&6
Supplements:
Multivitamins and Minerals 2 x aday with M#1 and M#6.
100mg sustained release B-Complex with breakfast only.
1000mg vitamin C, with M#1 and M#6.
400IU vitamin E, with M#1 and M#6.
Q10, 50mg with M#1 and M#6.
Disclaimer:
In the e-mail above, I'm only stating my opinions from my personal experience as a professional bodybuilder. I do not, in any way, shape or form use, encourage, nor condone the use of any illegal or controlled substances. If you decide to use any please consult a licensed practitioner before you do so.
The Menace Enterprises, Inc
President
Dennis James
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Feel free to use this and adjust the macros.
I used this when I was under Dennis James’s tutelage.
Supplements:
Multivitamins and Minerals 2 x aday with M#1 and M#6.
100mg sustained release B-Complex with breakfast only.
1000mg vitamin C, with M#1 and M#6.
400IU vitamin E, with M#1 and M#6.
Q10, 50mg with M#1 and M#6.
off season diet and supps start September 10th 2017
Diet:
6-6.30am upon rising do 2 units of GH and 1000mg HMB when taken GH
40g whey isolate plus 1 banana.
3 days a week have 1 black coffee, 1 baby aspirin, 5gr Bcaas and 5g Glutamine with the whey isolate but without the banana. Wait 30min and so 30min high intensity cardio.
10min before meal 1
2000mg CLA
1000mg L Carnitine
1. 8am 6oz chicken 2 whole eggs, 1 1/2cups Oatmeal with some raisins
1glass any juice you like.
Digestive enzymes.
9am Training
Intra workout ( during training)have 15g bcaa's and 35g vitargo
2. 10.30-11am Immediately after training have 60g whey isolate, 10g Glutamine, 5gr creatine and 50g vitargo
Between meal 2 & 3
5grams of Leucine
5000mg L-Arginine
600mg NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine
3. 12pm 8oz chicken, 2cups white rice ( cooked)
2000mg CLA
1000mg L-Carnitine
Digestive enzymes
4. 3pm 8oz chicken, 12oz potato, 1 cup veggies( anything green like asparagus, broccoli,green beans, spinach or salad)
1 tablespoon MCT oil
10min before meal 5
2000mg CLA
1000mg L Carnitine
5. 6pm 8oz steak, 1 1/2cups brown rice
Digestive enzymes
Between meal 5 & 6
5grams of Leucine
5000mg L-Arginine
600mg NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine
do 2 units of GH and 1000mg HMB when taken GH
6. 9pm 10oz white fish, 8oz potato, 1 cup veggies
Digestive enzymes
Gear:
Sustanon 250mg Monday, Wednesday and Friday
EQ 200g Mo, Wed and Friday
Dbol 10mg with meal 1/2/3/4/5
1 tab 25mg Proviron with meal 1
1 tab 1/2mg Arimidex every other day with meal 5
GH 2iu's first thing in the morning and 2i.u's between meal 5&6
Supplements:
Multivitamins and Minerals 2 x aday with M#1 and M#6.
100mg sustained release B-Complex with breakfast only.
1000mg vitamin C, with M#1 and M#6.
400IU vitamin E, with M#1 and M#6.
Q10, 50mg with M#1 and M#6.
Disclaimer:
In the e-mail above, I'm only stating my opinions from my personal experience as a professional bodybuilder. I do not, in any way, shape or form use, encourage, nor condone the use of any illegal or controlled substances. If you decide to use any please consult a licensed practitioner before you do so.
The Menace Enterprises, Inc
President
Dennis James
^ What is the total protein and total calories there?
Right now, I should be making a 60g protein shake...I can honestly say I'd rather work twice as long in the gym than eat so much...but I want to maximize my cycle gains, so...I'm ALL IN.
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^ What is the total protein and total calories there?
Right now, I should be making a 60g protein shake...I can honestly say I'd rather work twice as long in the gym than eat so much...but I want to maximize my cycle gains, so...I'm ALL IN.
Did you take a shot yet or not?
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Do you think someone can attain a physique like this without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym?:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1374139;image)
Do you think a person could bench press 315 for reps without having a solid understanding of how to work out, and what their generic potential may be, etc?
The literature is pretty clear that progressive is maximized on roughly 1g of protein per 1-lb of lean body mass. So at ~180, I probably have 145-lb of LBM. Maybe more - maybe a bit less.
That means I would need 160g of protein daily to make progress. Let's call it 200g daily JUST TO BE SURE.
Also, consider that protein can only be synthesized at a certain rate, and only up to around 48g of protein can be synthesized from one meal.
Which means I would want to be having AT LEAST four meals a day with ~50g of protein per meal, if not more meals, with slightly less protein per meal to both get that target quantity of protein AND to synthesize it.
Next, I would want to focus on slow and controlled reps, the mind-muscle connection, and other principles of bodybuilding/hypertrophy training, rather than focus on strength or anything else.
^ THAT nutrition and training outline will roughly maximize ANY natural's bodybuilding potential, MCWAY. The literature is exceedingly clear on this point, and my experience tells me the literature is right, as I just gain fat if I attempt to eat more protein than that.
Take that "literature"; toss it in a corner; pour gasoline on it; and set it on fire, because it is utter BULL.....as far as you and I are concerned.
Some of you have heard this account from me years ago:
When I replicated my high school science project (which was eating to gain weight and build muscle) in college, I bumped up my calories and protein significantly. The goal was to reach 200 lbs by the end of spring semester, starting at 189. Protein-wise, it was 1.5 g per lb of bodyweight and 4500-5000 calories, overall.
Outside of regular food, it was just Mega Mass 2000 and GNC Milk & Egg or Soy protein (whichever was cheaper at the time). I exceeded my goal. I wanted 200 lbs. I hit that on March 20, 1996.....a day I will never forget ;D. But, I still had a month and half to go before semester's end.
When I left for summer break.....I was 210 lbs. And speaking of benching 315 for reps, I started to do that after just a year earlier barely being able to budge 300 even.
So, whoever told you that maximum potential is realized eating 1 g or protein per lean pound of bodyweight, I believe he needs to suffer the same fate as the guy who started separating egg whites from the yolks.
I exceeded my expectations, no needles required.
But here's the thing: I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES RELIGIOUSLY FOR MONTHS ON END. Over a year, really. I have never stayed on those principles for YEARS [plural], because I know EXACTLY how LITTLE muscle I gain by doing so, and I saw NO benefit to working so hard for such little progress because, as I said, natural bodybuilding SUCKS!
Again, change your "principles", because those SUCK. You don't get brownie points for "working so hard" or "religiously", if you continue to do things that are no longer effective. Had you changed your diet, your results may have come much faster.
MCWAY - did you ever stop and wonder why EVERYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY DEDICATED TO BODYBUILDING IS ON JUICE??
NOBODY, even at my level of Strongman, is clean. Even the 176-lb'er's are on juice! Probably 80% of them. At EVERY LOCAL CONTEST I competed in - everyone was on juice! Maybe one guy wasn't [check YouTube for Jeff Nason - supposedly, he's clean].
And you know DAMN WELL that I know what I'm doing well enough to MAXIMIZE my cycle results. So why are you talking me out of it?
No, you don't know what you're doing. Even the guys here who use anabolics have told you that on more than one occasion. They have stated, as have I, that you need to dot your I's and cross your "T's with your training and nutrition, first and foremost. This way, you can make progress while you await the oh-so-sacred-stack-of steroids. Then, you can make even better gains afterwards.
Some juicers don't want me to use because they know DAMN WELL that steroids are massive, and they would rather me think that they are genetic freaks or have a better work ethic - or BOTH - and know that I will realize they are frauds if I juiced and saw for myself how much they help.
But why do you as a clean athlete want me to not use? Is it because you think it lends credibility to your own decision not to juice? If not, why? Is it because you think steroids are dangerous? They are STEROIDS, MCWAY. NOT diuretics! Not some other shady industry chemical agent. STEROIDS - TRIED, TESTED, AND TRUE.
Sustanon and Anadrol have been around for DECADES. And there is no reason to worry about the danger of either, given how much knowledge we have on both.
So what exactly is your concern? I told you - I'm not going to spend over a YEAR training and eating perfectly to get the same outcome this cycle could bring me in four months, because:
[1] It will take at least 18 months.
[2] Even THEN, the results won't be as good!
[3] I don't have the motivation to partake in the mundane monotony of eating 4-6 bodybuilding meals a day for 18 months. Most people can't handle the TRAINING to be a bodybuilder. I have OBVIOUSLY PROVEN I can handle the training. What I can't handle is the eating - eating ENOUGH. And I have no interest in following a BB diet for YEARS - which you are saying may not even work even if I do everything right. WHICH I AGREE WITH - BECAUSE I HAVE APPLIED THOSE PRINCIPLES COUNTLESS TIMES, AND I KNOW THE PROGRESS SUCKS.
Again, it's the Randy-Orton voices in your head that make you think some secret cabal is trying to deny you of your precious 'roids.
Listen to what you just posted on #3. You're not making a lick of sense. One minute, you're bragging about strong you are and how good of a strongman you can be without steroids. But, to be a bodybuilder, you don't have a clue or you keep stubbornly/foolishly following a failed strategy.
You can't handle "eating enough"? Neither could I....at first. That's why we have BLENDERS. That diet of my from college in 1996 consisted of a dozen eggs and at least a quart of milk per day. Boiling the eggs stunk up my room; scrambling them (and not eating them immediately) became unbearable. So, it was six eggs and two cups of milk for one shake; the other six eggs and two cups of milk before bed.
And that's EXACTLY why I am going to CHEAT by TAKING STEROIDS. Because I don't want to put the time in EATING. In the end, it will just be a faster way to get to the same physique level. Again, I have ZERO INTEREST in even spending eight months to make the same gains as I will from four months of juice.
And I will NOT make the same progress in eight months naturally.
Then post a picture. *I* have proven ALL of my lifts/claims.
Only when I got to #18 in my weight class in Canada on my first try did I realize how utterly full of shit people. Yet for years, I was reading comments making it sound like anyone at my level is some common thing. Even those not being critical. You aren't being critical - but reading your comments, I should spend the next five years "building a base" before juicing, when in reality, I'm UNQUESTIONABLY in the top 1% of strength and physique aesthetics as it is.
IF SOMEONE IN THE TOP 1% OF GYM GOERS SHOULDN'T USE STEROIDS, THEN WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK SHOULD USE IT?
I've just spent two fucking years dealing with my government breaking the law over a 99.9% survivable virus, with gyms here closed for 500+ days. I spent 6.5 months of last year in legal action communication with the police, and had the longest layoff from the gym in my life.
I have NO INTEREST in natural training. I have been feeling vastly improved since the gym has reopened, and after living through the darkest period of my life, I will NOT let the momentum die off.
Juice will keep it going, and keep my motivation to feel alive.
I don't want to make progress naturally right now when I could do everything you say and make 3x that progress while on steroids.
I have NO MOTIVATION to do this naturally. Before the gyms closing again in January, my gym owner allowed me to train without a "vaccine passport". I spent my first six months back eating PERFECTLY. Six months is not nothing, MCWAY. And I've done that many times before.
So I know DAMN WELL how little muscle I would gain doing this naturally. I know DAMN WELL how slowly I would make those gains.
And THAT is why I'm not doing that!
I got off my "bro" diet in January, because the fucking gyms closed again. >:(
But even if gyms did not close, I don't even have motivation to keep doing everything perfectly, because the gains suck! My motivation to EAT ENOUGH always dwindles after so many months for this reason.
And THAT is why I'm a natural STRONGMAN, MCWAY.
NOT a bodybuilder.
Because I HATE the nutrition / eating enough part.
MCWAY - did you know I am on under 100g carbs daily? Not temporarily - ALWAYS.
I am ALWAYS in ketosis, MCWAY.
See the results below - proof that I am just SLIGHTLY in ketosis, as determined by the ketones in my urine.
So CLEARLY I have proven I can follow a highly strict diet. In fact, my thyroid SLOWED from eating so little!
It's eating ENOUGH that I hate. I hate the shopping, I hate the cooking, and I hate the eating. I hate ALL of it! And for natural gains - it's unbearable!
But can I handle doing everything right for 16 weeks?
Absolutely!
And - I have 176-lb Strongman contests to compete in, in the fall or new year. So I'm not bulking up naturally, because I need to make weight by then.
I have NO INTEREST in natural bodybuilding, MCWAY.
You also seem to think I want to look like this long-term. I don't. I mean - maybe if I like how I look, I may just ramp up my nutrition post-cycle, to look the same. But I don't want to go up a weight class.
If I DO like how I look - then maybe I WILL do the natural nutrition techniques you speak of. But maybe I didn't make it clear that I don't want to look like this. Just for her summer.
You know - it goes to -40°F here in the winter! So since I'll be covered up all winter, I just want to look like this in the summer.
I don't believe I can achieve what I want in any less than a year. And I have a u-80kg Strongman contest in January. And that's why ANYONE uses steroids, MCWAY - to get to a particular physique level FASTER or MORE EFFICIENTLY than they otherwise could.
Anyway, you have never proven your strength OR shown your physique level on here. If you are natural, my guess is that you more or less suck.
I could walk into any gym in my city every hour on the hour for the next five years, and I'd be the strongest person in any of them 90% of the time. And those aren't normal people - those are the ones who TRAIN.
People are massively full of shit on message boards.
And EVERYONE in an industry that benefits from steroids, is on steroids. Certainly under 20% of people training at my level regularly have never used.
My physique has nothing to do with you; nor does yours have anything to do with me.
But, you've validated what I suspected from the start: You want the syringe to compensate for a sorry diet and haphazard training.
Exhibit A:
Roughly 200g protein, 200g carbs, and 75g fats to start.
That's 2,275 total calories - which doesn't sound like much, but keep in mind that is 3x my current caloric intake.
I will be drinking one gallon a day to start. I'll check the colour of my urine, and ensure I am always drinking enough water to be fully hydrated.
As the cycle goes on, I can ramp up both water and protein/overall calories as I adjust to it.
Presumably, I will be out of ketosis - and hopefully my slow thyroid will correct itself, due to eating more.
By my math, that's about 750 calories a day that you currently consume. Hmmm!! I wonder why you're struggling.
For all your talk about how many bodybuilders use steroids, you conveniently left out those same bodybuilders routinely eat enough to feed a family of 5 (with leftovers to spare) on a daily basis. But, don't take my word for it:
That's what I learned. Anabolics or no anabolics, if you want SIZE, you have to pack away the groceries.....PERIOD.
Or, to borrow from the aforementioned 8-time Mr. O, "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody wanna EAT no HEAVY-@$$ FOOD!!"
Thank you!
The BDB is my one solid pose - I really hope I can bring it up a level from a cycle. To the point that People seeing it would confuse me for maybe a physique guy off-season.
I'm not saying I'd look like one - but just improve enough where normal people may think I compete.
I have some specific goals for the cycle:
Seated overhead dumbbell presses with 110-lb per hand, for reps, would be one of them.
:)
Been there; done that! Save your joints for the strongman stuff. Barbells are safer, such as seated barbell presses 225-230 (which I do now). Jacking the dumbbells in the launch position (as it were) is a pain....figurately and sometimes LITERALLY!!
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Take that "literature"; toss it in a corner; pour gasoline on it; and set it on fire, because it is utter BULL.....as far as you and I are concerned.
Some of you have heard this account from me years ago:
When I replicated my high school science project (which was eating to gain weight and build muscle) in college, I bumped up my calories and protein significantly. The goal was to reach 200 lbs by the end of spring semester, starting at 189. Protein-wise, it was 1.5 g per lb of bodyweight and 4500-5000 calories, overall.
Outside of regular food, it was just Mega Mass 2000 and GNC Milk & Egg or Soy protein (whichever was cheaper at the time). I exceeded my goal. I wanted 200 lbs. I hit that on March 20, 1996.....a day I will never forget ;D. But, I still had a month and half to go before semester's end.
When I left for summer break.....I was 210 lbs. And speaking of binching 315 for reps, I started to do that after just a year earlier barely being able to budge 300 even.
So, whoever told you that maximum potential is realized eating 1 g or protein per lean pound of bodyweight, I believe he needs to suffer the same fate as the guy who started separating egg whites from the yolks.
I exceeded my expectations, no needles required.
Again, change your "principles", because those SUCK. You don't get brownie points for "working so hard" or "religiously", if you continue to do things that are no longer effective. Had you changed your diet, your results may have come much faster.
No, you don't know what you're doing. Even the guys here who use anabolics have told you that on more than one occasion. They have stated, as have I, that you need to dot your I's and cross your "T's with your training and nutrition, first and foremost. This way, you can make progress while you await the oh-so-sacred-stack-of steroids. Then, you can make even better gains afterwards.
Again, it's the Randy-Orton voices in your head that make you think some secret cabal is trying to deny you of your precious 'roids.
Listen to what you just posted on #3. You're not making a lick of sense. One minute, you're bragging about strong you are and how good of a strongman you can be without steroids. But, to be a bodybuilder, you don't have a clue or you keep stubbornly/foolishly following a failed strategy.
You can't handle "eating enough"? Neither could I....at first. That's why we have BLENDERS. That diet of my from college in 1996 consisted of a dozen eggs and at least a quart of milk per day. Boiling the eggs stunk up my room; scrambling them (and not eating them immediately) became unbearable. So, it was six eggs and two cups of milk for one shake; the other six eggs and two cups of milk before bed.
My physique has nothing to do with you; nor does yours have anything to do with me.
But, you've validated what I suspected from the start: You want the syringe to compensate for a sorry diet and haphazard training.
Exhibit A:
By my math, that's about 750 calories a day that you currently consume. Hmmm!! I wonder why you're struggling.
For all your talk about how many bodybuilders use steroids, you conveniently left out those same bodybuilder routinely eat enough to feed a family of 5 (with leftovers to spare) on a daily basis. But, don't take my word for it:
Been there; done that! Save your joints for the strongman stuff. Barbells are safer, such as seated barbell presses 225-230 (which I do now). Jacking the dumbbells in the launch position (as it were) is a pain....figurately and sometimes LITERALLY!!
I made a slight error, that I corrected/edited in my previous post - 2,275 calories is roughly 2x my current intake.
Again, my cycle diet will comprise:
200g protein, 200g carbs, and 75g fats daily, to start.
I hate eating, and I have no interest in eating that much in the long term. I will do it solely for this cycle.
You seem to think that I don't know how I need to eat to maximize natural gains - I know how...it's that I HATE IT. And I'm not going to eat that much and make gains at a snail's pace. That's why I'm a competitive lightweight Strongman, because I didn't need to shove protein and calories down my throat to make gains.
Again - it's not that I don't know what I need to eat - it's that I don't WANT to be a natural bodybuilder. I want to just to this cycle, and maximize all my nutrition EXCLUSIVELY for this cycle.
And then go back to eating like a bird, and be ready to compete at u-80kg for the Fall or new year Strongman season.
I have no interest in spending a year making the gains you say I can get doing this naturally, because I have lightweight Strongman contests to compete in, during the time that I would be natural bulking, on your plan.
I'm not a bodybuilder, MCWAY. I'm just doing this for the summer. The. It's back to lightweight Strongman competition, which I've done for years.
Perhaps you are forgetting that I'm not a bodybuilder, nor do I want to be - it's just for this summer. And I can't do it on that timeline without PED's.
I'm not wasting a year on this project.
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Matt,
Are you interested in natural training and what are your reasons either way?
Every time I saw a bodybuilder with 20 years of sauce in him, go back to looking like he never picked up a weight in his life, literally within 1-3 years of getting off the juice completely, I realized how fake bodybuilding was.
If it was just a matter of training hard and consistently, I'd have no problem with that - but, IMO, the nutrition requirements are twice as much work. On top of that, even if you do everything right as a natural, you won't go very far.
I have ways primarily been interested in natural training. I don't want to train on juice as a regular thing - just as a one-off cycle to confirm what I know, about how much bigger and leaner I will be while using them.
That will just confirm the potential I had, HAD I opted to juice. Once I have that confirmation, I will just go back to training naturally.
Think about this - I look like this, and have bench pressed 315x8, having never training as a bodybuilder, and did so only eating around 1,000 calories a day.
I ate so little, that my thyroid slowed down - and this is still how Iooked - I strongly suspect I would have looked much better eating 2-3x that many calories, and using juice while training like a bodybuilder, using slow and controlled repetitions.
I'm quite confident about that. And this cycle will prove that.
Since my start weight is 183, I'm thinking of hitting 213. A 30-lb gain is pretty standard for a quality first cycle. And since it's been over half a decade since I even touched an oral, my receptors are very fresh.
I'm looking forward to the outcome. :)
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Regarding protein, I think you need to look at Milos training log again. Pay attention to how many calories and how many grams of protein he's eating in a day. The body can synthesize much more that 50g of protein per meal.
Regarding your training, you've picked up some bad habits. The form you're using on some of your lifts is just asking for injury. The nice thing about bodybuilding is the risk of injury is much lower than power lifting or strong man.
On your Instagram you show that you can bench 250-lb bench press for 18 reps, which is impressive and I could not do the same. My chest is probably my weakest body part muscular development wise, but it's probably better than yours mainly because my training is purely focused on building muscle. I do two different angles of incline bench on the smith machine and usually do a drop set. I use the dip machine for lower pec.
I'm always amazed when I see people in the gym who are stronger than me but don't have the build I have. For example, there's a guy at my gym that can squat three plates a side on the smith machine for six reps, which I don't think I could do, but my legs are better than his because I'm training and dieting smarter.
You train hard and heavy, but you don't train smart. You're diet was holding you back, but your training style was too.
Do I think someone can attain a physique like Yours without generally knowing the necessary tricks and tips to make progress in the gym? Yes. You are proof of that.
On Instagram you show a two rep leg press with eight plates a side. Let's see the 12 rep and 15 rep with a lower weight.
https://www.instagram.com/matthew_thunderbay/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/matthew_thunderbay/?hl=en)
You're biggest problem is you ego lift and care how much weight your moving. Try training without the ego. Build, don't lift.
Take note on Robcguns workouts. Note the reps and the sets. You don't have to train with that kind of crazy volume, but you would be amazed at the results if you did.
Thank you, Palumboism.
My normal workout is 12 total sets, comprising three exercises.
For each of the three exercises, I do two warmup sets, and two heavy sets.
Now I've decided that I'm going to adjust that training program, to make it strictly in the bodybuilding/hypertrophy rep range of 8-12+.
I WILL allow myself *one* heavy set per workout. So I'll pick an exercise, and on my last set, I'll make it heavy - but even then, it will be in the bodybuilding range:
The go will be to lift my heaviest set for eight reps, selected in a way that I may not be able to get all eight reps. So if I can only get 5-6-7 to total failure, that's fine.
But EVERYTHING else must be 8-12+ reps with perfect, slow and controlled form. All bodybuilding.
For example, today, I did the pec deck fly machine for chest, as my final exercise. For my final set of flies, I did the whole stack [200-lb]. But as you can clearly see, my form went downhill, and I had to use Body English to get the last couple of reps:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ceu2iJgAyiP/
^ So next time if I do that same exercise as my one heavy set, it will probably be with 180-lb, and eight reps with perfect, controlled form.
I think it's going to take me a solid two weeks of adjusting to bodybuilding-style training - but once I reprogram my muscle memory...I think it will be cake from there. 8)
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That's right Shiz, you're a pure bottom. Don't let these guys straighten you out one inch.
What's the backstory with King Shizzo? Is King Shizzo the eminent classic Getbigger Alex23 - one of the biggest guys on Getbig around 8-12 years ago!
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I don't really need to say more. The ego on this autistic fruitcake to think anyone wants to read paragraphs and paragraphs of his posts from here.
ChristopherA [Chris] - my affinity towards detail has been noted. I'll work on a solution to keep a grip on it. I'm making an exception here because this is a once in a decade thing for me - and I don't want to mess anything up. I want to maximize all gains here.
As for any beef you have for me - just know it's one sided my man. If you want to carry on, that's fine. But my suggestion would just be to squash it - and I will try to reduce post-count moving forward.
Frankly, I just want the resident board knowledgeable freaks to help me maximize this cycle. I'm literally getting the best advice possible here - and I'm getting it for free. Can't beat that.
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Answer the question did you start the cycle yet YES or NO????
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Answer the question did you start the cycle yet YES or NO????
Which will happen first? Matt answers a question with a simple yes or no? Or you squat 405 lbs?
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Answer the question did you start the cycle yet YES or NO????
You better get off the board before you`re late for work.....don`t forget the nutrient rich Gatorade which contributes to your water weight, cuz you`ll be shrinking by the week without it........ it`s,not like you`re a mass monster anyway. LOL ;D
Now get to work....hurry........... RUN FORREST RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 LOL ;D
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100 pages easily
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ceu2iJgAyiP/
Matt, they let people train in the gym w/ out a shirt?
Some HS kids came in recently, took off their shirts, etc. Owner came over, told them to put them back on. (dudes weighed about a buck-20)...
And then he hung some signs in the gym about wearing them at all times. (Just curious).
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only 3 more back shots on this page today
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Answer the question did you start the cycle yet YES or NO????
Bump for an answer. I don't have any "beef" with you Matt. You got your sticks yesterday so you obviously did your first shot right?
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ceu2iJgAyiP/
Matt, they let people train in the gym w/ out a shirt?
Some HS kids came in recently, took off their shirts, etc. Owner came over, told them to put them back on. (dudes weighed about a buck-20)...
And then he hung some signs in the gym about wearing them at all times. (Just curious).
LOL, Matt, what the HELL are you doing? Put a bloody T-shirt on! Hahaha.
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So are you still putting dumbbells on benches?
x2 this thread seems to have gotten sidetracked from the central question.
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x2 this thread seems to have gotten sidetracked from the central question.
Yes, but it DID give Matt the opportunity to post 450 pics of himself in the same pose, so there's that.
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only 3 more back shots on this page today
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Matt, on those pec-deck flyes, your body shouldn`t move at all,back should remain flat against the pad.... and you should be getting a better stretch,you are not going all the way back in the stretched position.....FULL RANGE OF MOTION.....also, try holding each rep in the FULLY stretched position for two seconds before starting the next rep......this will make a vast difference in your pec development in my opinion, though it will more than likely cause you to reduce poundages but it will be harder to do and will isolate more pec as opposed to involving the shoulders too much, this may be one reason why you are shoulder dominate and complain of lagging chest development.....go heavy, but keep perfect form.....think stretch and squeeze as opposed to just thoughtlessly moving the weight.......link the mind to the muscle......go heavy, but use textbook form.
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The #1 problem I see in gyms, is folks trying to go too heavy, especially on machines.
Our place has lots of guys who put 4-plates on Hammer Decline machine, and basically move the bars about an inch. (Top range).
Stuff like that. They also have zero development.
The most developed folks in gyms, lighten the weight and work the intended muscle...
Save the heavy-weight for the multi-joint barbell movements...
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The #1 problem I see in gyms, is folks trying to go too heavy, especially on machines.
Our place has lots of guys who put 4-plates on Hammer Decline machine, and basically move the bars about an inch. (Top range).
Stuff like that. They also have zero development.
The most developed folks in gyms, lighten the weight and work the intended muscle...
Save the heavy-weight for the multi-joint barbell movements...
I have a t-bar attachment for my landmine. I recently tried halving the weight and doing a full contractions and holding, rather than the typical "momentum" row. I actually feel a difference only after a few weeks.
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I have a t-bar attachment for my landmine. I recently tried halving the weight and doing a full contractions and holding, rather than the typical "momentum" row. I actually feel a difference only after a few weeks.
Yup, noting wrong with throwing in a heavy set using momentum here and there (last set, etc), I just dont see many folks training correctly these days.
(Other than the few Powerlifters and few competitive BB's we have locally).
When the 140 lb old guy (with zero muscle), has more plates on the Hammer than the 230 lb BB, something isnt right..
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Yup, noting wrong with throwing in a heavy set using momentum here and there (last set, etc), I just dont see many folks training correctly these days.
(Other than the few Powerlifters and few competitive BB's we have locally).
When the 140 lb old guy (with zero muscle), has more plates on the Hammer than the 230 lb BB, something isnt right..
Those hammer chest machines get so abused with extra weight, especially the decline one.
4 plates per side, 1/5 reps of peace
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Those hammer chest machines get so abused with extra weight, especially the decline one.
4 plates per side, 1/5 reps of peace
LOL, yup, for sure...
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I made a slight error, that I corrected/edited in my previous post - 2,275 calories is roughly 2x my current intake.
Again, my cycle diet will comprise:
200g protein, 200g carbs, and 75g fats daily, to start.
I hate eating, and I have no interest in eating that much in the long term. I will do it solely for this cycle.
You seem to think that I don't know how I need to eat to maximize natural gains - I know how...it's that I HATE IT. And I'm not going to eat that much and make gains at a snail's pace. That's why I'm a competitive lightweight Strongman, because I didn't need to shove protein and calories down my throat to make gains.
Again - it's not that I don't know what I need to eat - it's that I don't WANT to be a natural bodybuilder. I want to just to this cycle, and maximize all my nutrition EXCLUSIVELY for this cycle.
And then go back to eating like a bird, and be ready to compete at u-80kg for the Fall or new year Strongman season.
I have no interest in spending a year making the gains you say I can get doing this naturally, because I have lightweight Strongman contests to compete in, during the time that I would be natural bulking, on your plan.
I'm not a bodybuilder, MCWAY. I'm just doing this for the summer. The. It's back to lightweight Strongman competition, which I've done for years.
Perhaps you are forgetting that I'm not a bodybuilder, nor do I want to be - it's just for this summer. And I can't do it on that timeline without PED's.
I'm not wasting a year on this project.
I never claimed you were a bodybuilder. And it really doesn't matter. This idea that you're going to eat and train appropriately ONLY while you're using steroids is categorically absurd.
You're going this for one summer; go off the 'roids in the fall; lose nearly everything you've gained.....by reverting to haphazard training and poor nutrition. Then, you're going to spend the next nine months, blubbering about how "Natural bodybuilding sucks"
Plus, if you're going to be "ALL IN" on the anabolics and actually eat and train as if you have some sense, WHY ARE YOU STILL A MIDDLEWEIGHT?? Why not keep the gains and go to the light-heavies or even the heavyweight class for your strongman competition, especially since you say they all use PEDs anyway?
You're going eat and 'roid up to 215 then starve nearly FORTY POUNDS off your body....and then lament about how weak you've become again. I thought you were concerned about your health. Going up and down in weight, the last time I checked, ain't the healthiest thing in the world to do.
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You're going this for one summer; go off the 'roids in the fall; lose nearly everything you've gained.....by reverting to haphazard training and poor nutrition. Then, you're going to spend the next nine months, blubbering about how "Natural bodybuilding sucks"
I believe I covered this somewhere between pages 2 and 5.
Or, in units of Matt measurement:
About 3,356,120 words ago
About 326 back double biceps ago
About 750 calories consumed ago
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LOL ;D
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Answer the question did you start the cycle yet YES or NO????
I picked up the needles on Sunday! As it turns out, I have no rubbing alcohol / alcohol swabs in the house.
Yes, I know I'm subconsciously delaying things on purpose due to pre-cycle butterflies...but it's going to happen...
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Matt, they let people train in the gym w/ out a shirt?
Some HS kids came in recently, took off their shirts, etc. Owner came over, told them to put them back on. (dudes weighed about a buck-20)...
And then he hung some signs in the gym about wearing them at all times. (Just curious).
I purposely train at a "dungeon" style gym, in addition to the big facility with the track, Olympic pool + sauna, etc [the Canada Games Complex].
I can train shirtless at the dungeon gym - but I generally only do it when I'm alone there. They would not let me train shirtless at The Complex.
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only 3 more back shots on this page today
That's literally my only good shot.
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I picked up the needles on Sunday! As it turns out, I have no rubbing alcohol / alcohol swabs in the house.
Yes, I know I'm subconsciously delaying things on purpose due to pre-cycle butterflies...but it's going to happen...
There is no need for presterilizing skin prior to injection injection. There a a shitload of data. Just make sure the skin nsn't visibly dirty. WHO recommendation. :D
I do use them on the rubber stopper though, if not, I make sure not to touch it and put a band aid on it for next time.
Getbig juicers: do you mess with acohol swabs?
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There is no need for presterilizing skin prior to injection injection. There a a shitload of data. Just make sure the skin nsn't visibly dirty. WHO recommendation. :D
I do use them on the rubber stopper though, if not, I make sure not to touch it and put a band aid on it for next time.
Getbig juicers: do you mess with acohol swabs?
So sanitize the juice vial only...but not the muscle I'm injecting in?
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So sanitize the juice vial only...but not the muscle I'm injecting in?
I`d use alcohol if for nothing else just my own peace of mind and the fact that I have always done so.
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I`d use alcohol if for nothing else just my own peace of mind and the fact that I have always done so.
I can't see any issue with it, as long as you give the alcohol a second to dry. I just worry about pushing any bacterial that may be on my leg, into my leg.
But I guess the literature refutes that concern, according to Van.
The more you know, I guess.
Though, given I am one to wear the same pants a few days in a row...I still wonder if there would be any bacterial issues.
This will be the first time I've injected anything in 16 years. :)
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I can't see any issue with it, as long as you give the alcohol a second to dry. I just worry about pushing any bacterial that may be on my leg, into my leg.
But I guess the literature refutes that concern, according to Van.
The more you know, I guess.
Though, given I am one to wear the same pants a few days in a row...I still wonder if there would be any bacterial issues.
This will be the first time I've injected anything in 16 years. :)
You`re worrying too much and overthinking it..........no need to sweat such minutia, just do what you did 16 years ago if it worked for you.
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You`re worrying too much and overthinking it..........no need to sweat such minutia, just do what you did 16 years ago if it worked for you.
Well...there's ONE last thing, wes:
I can't eat for sh*t!
Man, especially now that I have two TSH/thyroid tests five years apart, both showing elevated TSH...and now that autoimmune disorders have been ruled out...it means WITHOUT A DOUBT eating 1,000 calories a year causes my reversible thyroid issue...
So yesterday, I ate 1,800 calories and drank 5L of water [~1.3 gallons] - and let me tell you...IT WAS TORTUROUS!!
I did it, but that was almost double my usual caloric intake, and more like 5x my usual water intake.
No point in denying that - my TSH results prove how little I eat.
So now I'm trying to maximize a cycle by drinking 1 to 1.5 gallons of water daily + 2,200+ calories daily [of which, 200g protein daily will be MANDATORY].
I hit 160g protein yesterday, and THAT was a struggle.
I think I can meet these minimum protein/calorie and water requirements.
It is the ONLY thing still making me reconsider going through with the cycle...
God, I HATE eating. I wish I could just train twice as long, rather than eat more!
I love training hard.
I think maybe I'm going to do 1,000 calories a day [including 120g protein powder] from shakes every day. I just don't see myself eating over 2,000 calories a day...
But if I drink 1,000 calories from protein shakes, I can see myself hitting 2,500.
Eating is the fun part to most people! Yet I literally hate it!!!
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So are you still putting dumbbells on benches?
x2 this thread seems to have gotten sidetracked from the central question.
LOL!!!
Well...the gym owner doesn't mind, so yes, I still do it.
However, when the one big Gym-Rat who complained when I did it is there - I don't do it.
Otherwise - yes. :)
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Matt use shakes,not exclusively of course, and simply add small amounts of food over time.
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LOL, Matt, what the HELL are you doing? Put a bloody T-shirt on! Hahaha.
About that...
So it was only my training partner at our dungeon-type gym at the time of that video/set. The owner doesn't have a policy on mandatory t-shirts / tank tops [quite unlike the other facility where I train who won't even let people run on the track without a shirt on].
I initially took off my shirt to see if my pump was any good, and then I decided to ask my training partner if he minded if I trained the last few sets of our last exercise [pec deck flies] shirtless.
He was fine with it.
At first I used my tank top as a cover for the back rest - then I just said screw it, and did the sets with my bare back touching the back rest/pad.
I don't want to go along with all the pandemic hysteria about germs. It's easy enough to spray a machine down if you sweat on it.
But just to be clear - I would not take my shirt off in the gym if other patrons were present.
I took my shirt off because I thought my pump was ok...I didn't expect to take it off only to realize that I'm as smooth as a baby's bottom. :-\
What's so completely INSANE to me is that at either of my gyms, I'm literally in the best shape there / i.e., the closest to contest shape hypothetically.
So what does that say about how out of shape most members of the general population are? Sad. :(
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Not sure how things are up in Canadia but ~75% of American adults are overweight and ~40% are obese, based on BMI. We will soon reach the point where the "average" American is obese.
"Bbbbbbut BMI DoEsN'T aCcOuNt FoR mUsClE mAsS!!!1" sure but the great majority of these people are in these categories because they are TOO FAT.
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Bump for an answer. I don't have any "beef" with you Matt. You got your sticks yesterday so you obviously did your first shot right?
It saddens me a little to say this - but yes.
My training partner showed up with an alcohol swab, and I injected my first 1mL of Sustanon 250 [250mg/mL, in a 10mL vial].
The reason why it saddened me is because I won't be following through with the full 16 weeks, if my calories aren't around 2,500 daily, with 200g protein daily, and at least a gallon of water daily.
I loathe eating and drinking so much, but - I want to do this. I want to just get an idea of what my potential is when doing everything right - including intermediate level gear.
Bah - I wish my appetite was larger than that of a skinny teenage girl, but...it is what it is.
I'll be trying my best to get those calories in. I'll post updates as fine goes by.
Cycle start weight = 183-lb.
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It saddens me a little to say this - but yes.
My training partner showed up with an alcohol swab, and I injected my first 1mL of Sustanon 250 [250mg/mL, in a 10mL vial].
The reason why it saddened me is because I won't be following through with the full 16 weeks, if my calories aren't around 2,500 daily, with 200g protein daily, and at least a gallon of water daily.
I loathe eating and drinking so much, but - I want to do this. I want to just get an idea of what my potential is when doing everything right - including intermediate level gear.
Bah - I wish my appetite was larger than that of a skinny teenage girl, but...it is what it is.
I'll be trying my best to get those calories in. I'll post updates as fine goes by.
Cycle start weight = 183-lb.
Matt, why are you doing shots in the gym?
Can you not do them at home?
its not suspension where there are benefits of shooting pre workout.
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LOL!!!
Well...the gym owner doesn't mind, so yes, I still do it.
However, when the one big Gym-Rat who complained when I did it is there - I don't do it.
Otherwise - yes. :)
I was never there Matt!! ;) :D
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It saddens me a little to say this - but yes.
My training partner showed up with an alcohol swab, and I injected my first 1mL of Sustanon 250 [250mg/mL, in a 10mL vial].
The reason why it saddened me is because I won't be following through with the full 16 weeks, if my calories aren't around 2,500 daily, with 200g protein daily, and at least a gallon of water daily.
I loathe eating and drinking so much, but - I want to do this. I want to just get an idea of what my potential is when doing everything right - including intermediate level gear.
Bah - I wish my appetite was larger than that of a skinny teenage girl, but...it is what it is.
I'll be trying my best to get those calories in. I'll post updates as fine goes by.
Cycle start weight = 183-lb.
Matt, you`re making a drastic change in your diet/eating habits.....this won`t occur overnight.....add in food gradually over time and always finish what`s on your plate and use shakes at times to augment protein intake.
If you`re gonna` quit the cycle and you know it, without attempting hard enough to add in more food over time until you are eating more on a daily basis, then why bother starting the cycle at all.
Nobody said it was gonna` be easy to train hard and eat strictly but we all do the best we can, and at least make an attempt to do so......even guys who aren`t as serious about it as most of us are here on getbig still know in order to progress they must eat more and must eat better.
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Not sure how things are up in Canadia but ~75% of American adults are overweight and ~40% are obese, based on BMI. We will soon reach the point where the "average" American is obese.
"Bbbbbbut BMI DoEsN'T aCcOuNt FoR mUsClE mAsS!!!1" sure but the great majority of these people are in these categories because they are TOO FAT.
In my region in Canada, the percentage of Canadians here who are overweight or obese is 68%.
I have no reason to doubt that figure is standard throughout Canada.
In other words = the USA and Canada are largely the same as far as our populations both being overweight.
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Will we ever know what was right and what was wrong? Sure. Maybe. Who knows? Probably not but we might.
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Matt use shakes,not exclusively of course, and simply add small amounts of food over time.
Thanks wes!
This may be THE ticket to maximizing my cycle gains - as I am so used to eating 1,000 calories daily, that even 1,800 in a day has me full!
Shakes may well make the difference here - I find them WAY easier to take in. :)
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Matt use shakes,not exclusively of course, and simply add small amounts of food over time.
Now where have I heard that before?
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Matt, why are you doing shots in the gym?
Can you not do them at home?
its not suspension where there are benefits of shooting pre workout.
Sorry, I didn't clarify:
He brought the alcohol swab to my house, and I injected in his presence [added bonus = safety].
We then went to the gym.
Regarding shooting up in the gym:
At my other/mainstream facility [The Complex], there is a biohazard bin FULL with needles and syringes 24/7. Like wtf? Do people REALLY need to shoot things in a public gym bathroom? ???
Meanwhile, not one single person there looks like they are on juice...
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Thanks wes!
This may be THE ticket to maximizing my cycle gains - as I am so used to eating 1,000 calories daily, that even 1,800 in a day has me full!
Shakes may well make the difference here - I find them WAY easier to take in. :)
You can make a blender full of a calorie dense shake each AM, pop it in the fridge, and then just have a few drinks during each day.
An example:
I Don’t Recommend Drinking This Shake All At Once
As this shake is so dense and high in calories I do not recommend drinking it all in one sitting – instead I recommend making this 2000 calorie shake in the morning and dividing it up between two or three shakers.
Ensure it’s finished by the end of the day and you’ve got yourself in an easy extra 2000 calories a day.
Years ago I used to make this shake and drink it half an hour before hitting the gym – I could never have an intense workout when doing so, I’d always feel too sluggish and heavy after drinking it all at once (that said it did help immensely during my bulking phases!).
The 2000 Calorie Shake Recipe
Ingredients:
2 scoops whey protein powder (363 calories)
2 cups full cream milk (301 calories)
2 cups of oats (616 calories)
2 bananas (180 calories)
2 tbsp peanut butter (190 calories)
1 tbsp honey (65 calories)
1 cup blueberries (85 calories)
1 cup raspberries (65 calories)
Instructions:
Place all ingredients in your blender and top up with water if required.
Please for 30~ seconds on high.
Divide up into 2 – 3 shakers and consume throughout the day.
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160 grams of protein......BARELY and 2300 calories.
GEE!! I wonder why Matt is having trouble growing, said......ABSOLUTLEY NO ONE!!
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160 grams of protein......BARELY and 2300 calories.
GEE!! I wonder why Matt is having trouble growing, said......ABSOLUTLEY NO ONE!!
A couple of these home-made Big Mac's (on the right) would make Matt "all kids of gains, all kinds"...
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It's wonderful to see Getbiggers helping one another in time of need.
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You can make a blender full of a calorie dense shake each AM, pop it in the fridge, and then just have a few drinks during each day.
An example:
I Don’t Recommend Drinking This Shake All At Once
As this shake is so dense and high in calories I do not recommend drinking it all in one sitting – instead I recommend making this 2000 calorie shake in the morning and dividing it up between two or three shakers.
Ensure it’s finished by the end of the day and you’ve got yourself in an easy extra 2000 calories a day.
Years ago I used to make this shake and drink it half an hour before hitting the gym – I could never have an intense workout when doing so, I’d always feel too sluggish and heavy after drinking it all at once (that said it did help immensely during my bulking phases!).
The 2000 Calorie Shake Recipe
Ingredients:
2 scoops whey protein powder (363 calories)
2 cups full cream milk (301 calories)
2 cups of oats (616 calories)
2 bananas (180 calories)
2 tbsp peanut butter (190 calories)
1 tbsp honey (65 calories)
1 cup blueberries (85 calories)
1 cup raspberries (65 calories)
Instructions:
Place all ingredients in your blender and top up with water if required.
Please for 30~ seconds on high.
Divide up into 2 – 3 shakers and consume throughout the day.
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Fantastic. Thank you so much, Gym-Rat. You're a lot smarter than the Gym-Rat who believes resting two equidistant heavy dumbbells on a flat bench will somehow cause the bench to crack or break.
I will definitely be trying your 2,000 calorie shake recipe - looks delicious, and easy to eat over the course of the day!! :)
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Now where have I heard that before?
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LOL :D
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160 grams of protein......BARELY and 2300 calories.
GEE!! I wonder why Matt is having trouble growing, said......ABSOLUTLEY NO ONE!!
Ah, but MCWAY - you always attributed my lack of progress to my training.
And to that I say - bullshit. I train for strongman, which means bodybuilding-style lifts, but in the 1-6 rep range, and events specific training [like the Farmer's Walk, and the Circus Dumbbell].
My training is specific to what I do - and it's fine.
I could switch that to bodybuilding-style training - NO PROBLEMS.
My deficit in muscle mass comes from eating 1,000 calories a day - something I have the blood tests to verify that I do in fact eat that little.
So you can stop trashing my training now. I know what I'm doing in the gym, and will transition to bodybuilding-style training within two weeks of focus on it. Promise.
My caloric intake...well...I'll give it my best shot. That much I guarantee.
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Ah, but MCWAY - you always attributed my lack of progress to my training.
And to that I say - bullshit. I train for strongman, which means bodybuilding-style lifts, but in the 1-6 rep range, and events specific training [like the Farmer's Walk, and the Circus Dumbbell].
Ummm....no I didn't. In fact, I specifically pointed out that you were only eating (by your own account, which you later corrected) about 750 calories per day.
Not to mention, this whole discussion started on this matter, when we were talking about your alleged concern about getting "FATTER", remember that? I do recall stating something to the tune of your being more fearful of beef and eggs than you are about anabolics.
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The excuses for Matt Canning being a failure are ramping up.
The preemptive reasons for why he can’t gain any muscle while on a steroid cycle should start in earnest later today.
After the failed steroid experiment the next three stages of Matt Canning’s sad little life will be:
Homosexuality
Transgenderism
Suicide
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Ummm....no I didn't. In fact, I specifically pointed out that you were only eating (by your own account, which you later corrected) about 750 calories per day.
Not to mention, this whole discussion started on this matter, when we were talking about your alleged concern about getting "FATTER", remember that? I do recall stating something to the tune of your being more fearful of beef and eggs than you are about anabolics.
I fear food/overeating in general.
Caloric restriction is one of the healthiest things we can do for ourselves.
Yeah, it caused my TSH to go up a little - but with all my other thyroid markers fine...who cares?
Caloric restriction = great thing for health.
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I fear food/overeating in general.
Caloric restriction is one of the healthiest things we can do for ourselves.
Yeah, it caused my TSH to go up a little - but with all my other thyroid markers fine...who cares?
Caloric restriction = great thing for health.
As I've said repeatedly, it's the Orton voices in your head.
In fact, one of my previous quotes was,
So, you don't want to compromise your health by eating more food; yet you have no problem compromising your health by using anabolics.
More beef, milk, and eggs, BAD!! More Winstrol, Test, and Deca, GOOD!! Am I missing something here?
You are trying to get BIGGER (215 lbs, correct?); that does not happen without caloric surplus.
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There's no harm in swabbin but when have you ever seea a doc swab and then after 30 seconds do the shot? Lol they try to save microseconds, ain't got no time for that.
Another argument was that skin is living tissue and you are never getting it sterile anyway. Some hospitals have abandonded it but others still do it.
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As I've said repeatedly, it's the Orton voices in your head.
In fact, one of my previous quotes was,
So, you don't want to compromise your health by eating more food; yet you have no problem compromising your health by using anabolics.
More beef, milk, and eggs, BAD!! More Winstrol, Test, and Deca, GOOD!! Am I missing something here?
You are trying to get BIGGER (215 lbs, correct?); that does not happen without caloric surplus.
He’s not trying to get bigger.
He’s just an attention-whoring retard with internet access.
Don’t waste your time.
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I fear food/overeating in general.
Caloric restriction is one of the healthiest things we can do for ourselves.
Yeah, it caused my TSH to go up a little - but with all my other thyroid markers fine...who cares?
Caloric restriction = great thing for health.
In general I agree with you on caloric restriction. As bodybuilders we tend to eat more than an average person and more protein. Neither of us are trying to get our pro card, or even step on stage, so we're really not trying to get that big. Decide how much muscle you want and where you want it and eat enough to maintain that muscle.
I personally can control my weight to such an extreme I can pick a weight I want to be and maintain that within plus or minus a couple of pounds.
Also, don't discount the health benefits of having muscle. We have a higher metabolism than most making losing weight easier.
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He’s not trying to get bigger.
He’s just an attention-whoring retard with internet access.
Don’t waste your time.
Don't bring Chaos into this.
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You are having a hard time eating more because you are filling up on water. Stop worrying about pounding water and pound food if you urine isnt brown you are not dehydrated
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You are having a hard time eating more because you are filling up on water. Stop worrying about pounding water and pound food if you urine isnt brown you are not dehydrated
Solid advice from Healy.
Also, if you are shitting blood don't worry about that either.. Up the dose and pound the food.
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You are having a hard time eating more because you are filling up on water. Stop worrying about pounding water and pound food if you urine isnt brown you are not dehydrated
Good point Brian. many think they have to pound gallons of water a day. While some of course is good for you, too much is pointless.
Latest research says "just drink when youre thirsty".
I'd rather have a few large glasses of milk myself to be honest..
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You are having a hard time eating more because you are filling up on water. Stop worrying about pounding water and pound food if you urine isnt brown you are not dehydrated
Thank you. That was the issue yesterday. That 5L water was way too much. :-X
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Is Matt taking over for Genova?
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Solid advice from Healy.
Also, if you are shitting blood don't worry about that either.. Up the dose and pound the food.
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Is Matt taking over for Genova?
If I do a cycle on 1,000 calories, then yeah...
If I can eat the necessary 200g protein and ~2,500 calories daily, I should respond ok.
Settle something for me:
Are you the gimmick of prestigious 2007-2014 era classic Getbigger Alex23? At 5'10" and 250-lb of mass, he was one of the biggest guys on Getbig!
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If I do a cycle on 1,000 calories, then yeah...
If I can eat the necessary 200g protein and ~2,500 calories daily, I should respond ok.
Settle something for me:
Are you the gimmick of prestigious 2007-2014 era classic Getbigger Alex23? At 5'10" and 250-lb of mass, he was one of the biggest guys on Getbig!
You really are autistic.... You have asked that question multiple times already. No, I'm not fat Alice.
I have real royal bloodlines, and a hint of abs.
I have 82% body fat, and I give out fitness advice.
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Matt, if you want something easy to drink, his looks interesting. Big Ron approved:
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You really are autistic.... You have asked that question multiple times already. No, I'm not fat Alice.
I have real royal bloodlines, and a hint of abs.
I have 82% body fat, and I give out fitness advice.
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Getbig juicers: do you mess with acohol swabs?
I always use it.
More of a piece of mind, my Endo told me not to worry about swabbing the skin, but something just feels wrong about it.
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I always use it.
More of a piece of mind, my Endo told me not to worry about swabbing the skin, but something just feels wrong about it.
Same here bro.
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Same here bro.
It seems intuitive...I mean, it would seem like bacteria on the skin could get pushed inside your body, but - I haven't read the research.
wes - what water intake do you recommend?
5L seems unsustainable to me. I was so full from water, I had a hard time eating.
That said, 3L is doable I think [just under a gallon].
However, my plan here is to do whatever I need to do - whether I like it or not. But how much water would you say is "enough"?
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Get your fluids from protein drinks, milk, etc.
If you get thirsty training drink water.
Junk it up a bit. Don't eat clean if you are trying to grow.
Simple.
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It seems intuitive...I mean, it would seem like bacteria on the skin could get pushed inside your body, but - I haven't read the research.
It can and it does, and even alcohol swabs aren't 100%. All it takes is one rogue molecule to get in the system and it can fuck up your world.
When I inject, I use a special UV light that can see bacteria impressions on the skin.
It's expensive, but totally worth it.
I also hold my breath so I don't inhale any bacteria the light missed that the needle might jar loose, but I think that might not be effective, if we're being honest.
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It seems intuitive...I mean, it would seem like bacteria on the skin could get pushed inside your body, but - I haven't read the research.
wes - what water intake do you recommend?
5L seems unsustainable to me. I was so full from water, I had a hard time eating.
That said, 3L is doable I think [just under a gallon].
However, my plan here is to do whatever I need to do - whether I like it or not. But how much water would you say is "enough"?
Drinking a gallon of water a day as is usually recommended was harder for me to do than a set of twenty rep heavy squats and/or eating ultra clean for sixteen weeks.
After a while I gave it up and always had a 16 -20 oz. bottle with me at home, I would steadily drink from it and when it was empty I refilled it ASAP and kept repeating this process.
I was never a big eater in the early morning.....no appetite in the early AM, but I usually always trained as early as I could....even at 5 AM if my shift at work was seven to three thirty.....I loved the fact that I had done more work that morning than most of the city would do in a week and I hadn`t even gotten to my job yet. LOL :D
Sorry, started to ramble there for a sec....instead of solid food I would drink whey in 20 oz. of water both Pre and Post workout {early morning} and for my other four meals I would drink 12 -16 oz. of water with the meal and would finish it before I got up from the table.....also I drink a lot of coffee, which I know is a natural diuretic but it`s fluid that I`m sure wasn`t totally pissed out.
Before this I would fill a gallon and jug and vow to finish it daily which I seldom ever did.
I also carried a bottle of water with me to the gym when I trained.
So whatever that comes out to is approximately what I drank/drink daily......not quite as much these days though.....I`m up all night pissing and I don`t sleep well so the fluid intake doesn`t help in this regard.
The guy who made up the gallon of water per day rule just so happens to be the same guy that wrote the Bible....Google it and get back to me with his name when you get the chance. ;D
While water is important of course for virtually tons of reasons, I wouldn`t sweat it too much if I fell short of the general recommended amount suggested by that author of the Bible.....just try what I outlined above, as you are steadily consuming it during the course of the day....it may even come out to more than a gallon....you do the math I`m still having my coffee. :D
Bottom line try to stay hydrated and don`t obsess over some guideline that varies among so called experts anyway, plus bigger guys will need more fluid than smaller guys and other variables.....in other words do your best but don`t obsess over it.
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It can and it does, and even alcohol swabs aren't 100%. All it takes is one rogue molecule to get in the system and it can fuck up your world.
When I inject, I use a special UV light that can see bacteria impressions on the skin.
It's expensive, but totally worth it.
I also hold my breath so I don't inhale any bacteria the light missed that the needle might jar loose, but I think that might not be effective, if we're being honest.
All Natural Germiphobe Of Peace
You funny bastard. LOL ;D
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Get your fluids from protein drinks, milk, etc.
If you get thirsty training drink water.
Junk it up a bit. Don't eat clean if you are trying to grow.
Simple.
It makes me wonder how much of some of the nutrition demands pushed were just to sell supplements - or to sell the idea that bodybuilders have to do crazy things to get so huge, because it can't POSSIBLY be massive amounts of PED's. No, no - you had guys like Lou Ferrigno claim he trained six hours a day in 1992. He also claimed he was 1% body fat in his Stand Tall video in 1997.
I think junking it up will help me. My appetite is sort of...impaired from years of ultra low calories.
I think I'm going to start with 1,800 calories [160g from protein], and 2.5L to 3L of water daily, with half those calories from protein shakes for the first week or two, until I get my appetite moving a little. I'm really just not hungry at all.
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It can and it does, and even alcohol swabs aren't 100%. All it takes is one rogue molecule to get in the system and it can fuck up your world.
I had bacterial pneumonia once in my life - in my 3rd and most recent real [with injections] cycle, in 2006. So I cut the cycle short at eight weeks because of that.
It just makes me wonder - where do we catch these little bugs that can totally change our lives? I mean - prior to antibiotics, bacterial pneumonia killed people.
Whatever's coming up over the next few years - I hope we don't see major shortages of medicines.
When I inject, I use a special UV light that can see bacteria impressions on the skin.
It's expensive, but totally worth it.
I also hold my breath so I don't inhale any bacteria the light missed that the needle might jar loose, but I think that might not be effective, if we're being honest.
LOL.
I see you're still taking the 2020 Covid protocols seriously? ;D
A friend of mine would rub anti-BACTERIAL hand sanitizer on his coffee cup after picking it up from the drive-thru. ::)
I'd be in the car with him and his wife and another friend, and just watching him squeeze that shit onto his fucking coffee cup was so pathetic. It's amazing to me what absolute dumb fucks people are. The whole world just spent two years thinking we were in a lethal plague, when they literally didn't personally witness one person die or get seriously ill!
And no - some fat fuck 65-year-old they know who died doesn't count.
Spraying anti-BACTERIAL hand sanitizer on a COFFEE CUP to prevent a respiratory VIRUS. LOL. You literally can't make this up. ::)
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I remember early in the Covid hysteria people spraying themselves down in the Home Depot parking lot.
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Drinking a gallon of water a day as is usually recommended was harder for me to do than a set of twenty rep heavy squats and/or eating ultra clean for sixteen weeks.
After a while I gave it up and always had a 16 -20 oz. bottle with me at home, I would steadily drink from it and when it was empty I refilled it ASAP and kept repeating this process.
I was never a big eater in the early morning.....no appetite in the early AM, but I usually always trained as early as I could....even at 5 AM if my shift at work was seven to three thirty.....I loved the fact that I had done more work that morning than most of the city would do in a week and I hadn`t even gotten to my job yet. LOL :D
Sorry, started to ramble there for a sec....instead of solid food I would drink whey in 20 oz. of water both Pre and Post workout {early morning} and for my other four meals I would drink 12 -16 oz. of water with the meal and would finish it before I got up from the table.....also I drink a lot of coffee, which I know is a natural diuretic but it`s fluid that I`m sure wasn`t totally pissed out.
Before this I would fill a gallon and jug and vow to finish it daily which I seldom ever did.
I also carried a bottle of water with me to the gym when I trained.
So whatever that comes out to is approximately what I drank/drink daily......not quite as much these days though.....I`m up all night pissing and I don`t sleep well so the fluid intake doesn`t help in this regard.
The guy who made up the gallon of water per day rule just so happens to be the same guy that wrote the Bible....Google it and get back to me with his name when you get the chance. ;D
While water is important of course for virtually tons of reasons, I wouldn`t sweat it too much if I fell short of the general recommended amount suggested by that author of the Bible.....just try what I outlined above, as you are steadily consuming it during the course of the day....it may even come out to more than a gallon....you do the math I`m still having my coffee. :D
Bottom line try to stay hydrated and don`t obsess over some guideline that varies among so called experts anyway, plus bigger guys will need more fluid than smaller guys and other variables.....in other words do your best but don`t obsess over it.
Thank you for the detailed post. You're right that size [body weight] will be a variable here.
Jay Cutler told Ron he was drinking THREE GALLONS of water a day in 2002.
That's insane to me - but hey, that's Jay Cutler.
I do remember the gallon+ recommendation was all over The Precontest Bible by Larry Pepe! Good call. I had forgotten about that book - and yes, most if not all of the pros were pushing the gallon+ water consumption.
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I remember early in the Covid hysteria people spraying themselves down in the Home Depot parking lot.
And people wonder how Holocausts happen. Germans being exploited financially set the stage to begin with, but - IMO, if people are capable of being such utter and complete morons over a NON-THREAT, it's scary to think how they would behave over a REAL THREAT.
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The excess protein and water consumption ideas are all bullsh*t nonsense.
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The excess protein and water consumption ideas are all bullsh*t nonsense.
Yeah, for the most part for sure.
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Yeah, for the most part for sure.
You need enough but not insane amounts.
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The excess protein and water consumption ideas are all bullsh*t nonsense.
I remember MassiveG on MuscleMayhem said he had previously eaten upwards of 500g of protein daily. That's just silly.
The research seems to be consistent with respect to about 1g protein per 1-lb of LBM per day. So for me, that would be about 145g protein daily. With the increased protein synthesis from gear, I'll strive for 200g daily. I'd rather overshoot that figure than not get enough - but there would be NO REASON for me to go to 300g daily.
If I manage 220g daily on most days, that would be fine.
The magazines sure did sell a complete load of bollocks when it came to the inputs into bodybuilding.
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Yeah, for the most part for sure.
wes,
I'm not sure if you've ever mentioned your various weight ranges? I'm not sure why I recall you having competed at 163-lb at one point. But if that was the case with a 24-hour weigh-in, your actual stage weight may have been higher [if I'm even correct about that recollection at all - it may have just been for a certain contest, if I am remembering that right].
On top of that, there is the offseason. I know of competitors who compete at under 170, but are solidly over 200 in the offseason.
Although you always struck me as someone who never believed in dirty bulking, and selected to stay pretty lean year-round. Or maybe you just don't post any dirty bulk pictures online. ;D
I stayed dead on 170 from basically 2007 through to 2017, but now that I need to eat more to speed up my thyroid, I'm thinking of walking around 180-190. Maybe settling at 185, depending on how big my waist is there.
Out of curiosity, what was your weight range, from dry and depleted, through to the dead of the offseason?
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You literally said you were 183lbs starting out this cycle a few pages ago now you want to get to your starting weight? For fuck sake forget about the damn water forget about counting calories and just eat as much as you can the next few weeks. There is water in food. You don't need to be slamming water you need to be eating 4-5k calories minimum. Use water to wash it down. You are not going to put on 20lbs in 2-3 months eating 2500 calories a day that is fucking nonsense. Eat until you want to throw up then keep fucking eating.
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wes,
I'm not sure if you've ever mentioned your various weight ranges? I'm not sure why I recall you having competed at 163-lb at one point. But if that was the case with a 24-hour weigh-in, your actual stage weight may have been higher [if I'm even correct about that recollection at all - it may have just been for a certain contest, if I am remembering that right].
On top of that, there is the offseason. I know of competitors who compete at under 170, but are solidly over 200 in the offseason.
Although you always struck me as someone who never believed in dirty bulking, and selected to stay pretty lean year-round. Or maybe you just don't post any dirty bulk pictures online. ;D
I stayed dead on 170 from basically 2007 through to 2017, but now that I need to eat more to speed up my thyroid, I'm thinking of walking around 180-190. Maybe settling at 185, depending on how big my waist is there.
Out of curiosity, what was your weight range, from dry and depleted, through to the dead of the offseason?
It makes me wonder how much of some of the nutrition demands pushed were just to sell supplements - or to sell the idea that bodybuilders have to do crazy things to get so huge, because it can't POSSIBLY be massive amounts of PED's. No, no - you had guys like Lou Ferrigno claim he trained six hours a day in 1992. He also claimed he was 1% body fat in his Stand Tall video in 1997.
I think junking it up will help me. My appetite is sort of...impaired from years of ultra low calories.
I think I'm going to start with 1,800 calories [160g from protein], and 2.5L to 3L of water daily, with half those calories from protein shakes for the first week or two, until I get my appetite moving a little. I'm really just not hungry at all.
Once again, you're dodging the diet aspect. Even if the guys are taking "massive amounts of PEDs", they are also eating immense amounts of FOOD (See the aforementioned Ronnie Coleman video).
I don't care if you flop on a cactus full of pharmaceuticals, you aren't getting big on 1800 calories a day.
I also came up during the John Parillo era, where he was pushing folks to eat up to 10,000 calories per day. He predicted one day, we'd have 300-lb ripped bodybuilders. People thought, at the time, he was NUTS!! Cue the 1993 Mr. Olympia and there's Lou Ferrigno, all 316-lbs of him.
I remember MassiveG on MuscleMayhem said he had previously eaten upwards of 500g of protein daily. That's just silly.
The research seems to be consistent with respect to about 1g protein per 1-lb of LBM per day. So for me, that would be about 145g protein daily. With the increased protein synthesis from gear, I'll strive for 200g daily. I'd rather overshoot that figure than not get enough - but there would be NO REASON for me to go to 300g daily.
If I manage 220g daily on most days, that would be fine.
The magazines sure did sell a complete load of bollocks when it came to the inputs into bodybuilding.
And the reason you didn't strive for at lest 200-220 grams of protein, BEFORE you started using anabolics, would be.......
So, you'll only adjust your diet and eat with some sense, when you're taking steroids. Off the needle, you eat like a teenage girl then lament about how "natural bodybuilding sucks".
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Once again, you're dodging the diet aspect. Even if the guys are taking "massive amounts of PEDs", they are also eating immense amounts of FOOD (See the aforementioned Ronnie Coleman video).
I don't care if you flop on a cactus full of pharmaceuticals, you aren't getting big on 1800 calories a day.
I also came up during the John Parillo era, where he was pushing folks to eat up to 10,000 calories per day. He predicted one day, we'd have 300-lb ripped bodybuilders. People thought, at the time, he was NUTS!! Cue the 1993 Mr. Olympia and there's Lou Ferrigno, all 316-lbs of him.
Not "big". I'll make progress on 1,800 calories daily. That's almost 2x my current calories.
But I'm striving for closer to 2,500 or more.
And the reason you didn't strive for at lest 200-220 grams of protein, BEFORE you started using anabolics would be.......
[1] Because being thin is one of the healthiest things you can do for yourself.
[2] Because eating a lot is time consuming [shopping and cooking], expensive [I live off my savings because I chose to save my money and invest in rentals, and I am surrounded by people who would rather spend everything they make and work until 69-70], and results in needing to piss and shit and fart all the time.
[3] Because I have roughly the same physique as Mark Wahlberg. Once I got to the point where most women were into me, I didn't have much incentive to look differently. Back when I cared about that. But my physique is a lot more popular with women than that of an IFBB pro. Women are into my physique, generally speaking.
So, you'll only adjust your diet and eat with some sense, when you're taking steroids. Off the needle, you eat like a teenage girl then lament about how "natural bodybuilding sucks".
Increasing calories is not eating "with some sense". As I said, caloric restriction is one of the HEALTHIEST things a person can do for themselves. Reducing calories is INCREDIBLY healthy. Add to that that I HATE eating, consistently had access to women, and COMPETE IN LIGHTWEIGHT STRONGMAN, why would I have changed anything?
I have an interest in bodybuilding - temporarily. Maybe until the end of the year. That's it.
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Not "big". I'll make progress on 1,800 calories daily. That's almost 2x my current calories.
But I'm arriving for closer to 2,500 or more.
[1] Because being thin is one of the healthiest things you can do for yourself.
Says who?
[2] Because eating a lot is time consuming [shopping and cooking], expensive [I live off my savings because I chose to save my money and invest in rentals, and I am surrounded by people who would rather spend everything they make and work until 69-70], and results in needing to piss and shit and fart all the time.
In other words, you're lazy and don't know how to shop.
The two best periods where I made my gains, where when I was:
1) A broke college student, trying to get my degree in engineering; and
2) Working 60 hours a week, with a wife and kids to feed.
[3] Because I have roughly the same physique as Mark Wahlberg. Once I got to the point where most women were into me, I didn't have much incentive to look differently. Back when I cared about that. But my physique is a lot more popular with women than that of an IFBB pro. Women are into my physique, generally speaking.
Increasing calories is not eating "with some sense". As I said, caloric restriction is one of the HEALTHIEST things a person can do for themselves. Reducing calories is INCREDIBLY healthy. Add to that that I HATE eating, consistently had access to women, and COMPETE IN LIGHTWEIGHT STRONGMAN, why would I have changed anything?
I have an interest in bodybuilding - temporarily. Maybe until the end of the year. That's it.
Yet, you ARE increasing your calories. But, you're only doing so when you're taking steroids. Therefore, by your own warped logic, you are risking your health, twice over: By eating MORE food AND taking anabolics.
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wes,
I'm not sure if you've ever mentioned your various weight ranges? I'm not sure why I recall you having competed at 163-lb at one point. But if that was the case with a 24-hour weigh-in, your actual stage weight may have been higher [if I'm even correct about that recollection at all - it may have just been for a certain contest, if I am remembering that right].
Matt, the heaviest I ever competed as was as a Welterweight....not sure of my exact stage weight.
My goals in bodybuilding were upset due to my self induced alcoholism....I drank off and on for thirty three years due to chronic depression......so my goal of getting huge never actually ever even began......did my first contest in `87 at the age of 32 , then the next one when I was 40, so I had no time to try to get big as I did use gear but I never relied on it......in the off-season I would only do a cycle here or there and trained mostly clean,then hopping back on for a show....not gonna` get big that way for sure, but I gave that goal up anyway.
Actually I lied, I did a teen contest but we won`t go there. ;D
On top of that, there is the offseason. I know of competitors who compete at under 170, but are solidly over 200 in the offseason.
Although you always struck me as someone who never believed in dirty bulking, and selected to stay pretty lean year-round. Or maybe you just don't post any dirty bulk pictures online. ;D
I stayed dead on 170 from basically 2007 through to 2017, but now that I need to eat more to speed up my thyroid, I'm thinking of walking around 180-190. Maybe settling at 185, depending on how big my waist is there.
Out of curiosity, what was your weight range, from dry and depleted, through to the dead of the offseason?
Competing at over 40 up until my late 50`s, I figured it was best to stay lean as I missed a lot of years where I could have been training to get bigger.....competed as a powerlifter when younger at a light bodyweight.....I was a really tiny kid, who could eat a house and wake up weighing less than I did the day before....I had an insanely fast metabolism when I was younger.
I ate my fair share of junk food but never got really sloppy.....my heaviest weight ever was only 189 pounds and to me I looked fairly big in clothes for me anyway, due to my bird like bone structure, but when I took my shirt off I looked bulky and fairly smooth so I opted to stay at a lighter bodyweight for the most part.....I didn`t like that look, plus my reasoning was why gain a ton of weight just to have to lose it to get into contest condition...my strength was good even at a lighter bodyweight so it never improved all that much when I got heavier.
The reason there are no pics of me at a heavier weight is simple....I took very few pics as most of mine that are on the web were usually taken by someone else at a contest and later given to me.
I always went by the mirror and still do to this day......scale weight can be very deceiveing where the mirror never lies to you.
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I remember MassiveG on MuscleMayhem said he had previously eaten upwards of 500g of protein daily. That's just silly.
The research seems to be consistent with respect to about 1g protein per 1-lb of LBM per day. So for me, that would be about 145g protein daily. With the increased protein synthesis from gear, I'll strive for 200g daily. I'd rather overshoot that figure than not get enough - but there would be NO REASON for me to go to 300g daily.
If I manage 220g daily on most days, that would be fine.
The magazines sure did sell a complete load of bollocks when it came to the inputs into bodybuilding.
I ate 300 gms. daily on gear and it was no different in the way I looked eating 200 gms. a day except that I got fatter.
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Yet, you ARE increasing your calories. But, you're only doing so when you're taking steroids. Therefore, by your own warped logic, you are risking your health, twice over: By eating MORE food AND taking anabolics.
Please Lord Baby Jesus, make it stop…please.
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Says who?
Every study on caloric restriction in rodents, and every study on longevity, specifically super-centenarians. I think you said you were 220-lb. You're literally carrying around 50-lb of unnecessary mass. Muscle or not, it taxes your body, and reduces your organ and systemic integrity. I stay at 170 as a conscious health decision. On enough PED's, I'd be 250 for sure. I've been as heavy as 213 naturally. I don't want to weigh that much because in general, it is less healthy than weighing less.
In other words, you're lazy and don't know how to shop.
As far as putting in the effort in eating - I don't want to do it. I will do it temporarily, just for kicks, but only temporarily. I have no interest in adding 50-lb of unnecessary body weight that you have on me. That's doing nothing good for your health, and I can guarantee you that me doing a one-off cycle and going up 15+ pounds for a few months is nowhere near as bad as you carrying 50+ pounds more than me for literally 15+ years. That's 15 years of your heart beating for 50 more pounds of mass, which does absolutely nothing for your health. Arguably, there are social benefits to being 220, that likely impact your morale, which is correlated with good health.
Though if you are natural, if I had to guess, you'd be 170 cut, if that. Of course you have no pictures, so if I had to guess, I look better than you. Even if not bigger - I suspect I look better/more aesthetic, and am probably facially more handsome than you, with better teeth and hair.
Do you suppose maybe that's why I don't give a fuck about radically changing my physique? I already have a look that I quite like, and the amount of work required for me to make MARGINAL improvements while REDUCING my health is just not worth it.
Why the fuck would I pay money and spend time to cook and clean and shit and piss and far more, while reducing my health in the process? Do you understand that not everyone has the same goals you do?
I can walk into ANY GYM IN THIS CITY, and be fittest and strongest person there 90% of the time. As for your claims, you're probably like Sarcasm [RIP] who would shit on everyone, only to later be outed as being 5'11" and 320-lb and obese [and ugly].
Guaranteed, Walter Sobchak is just as fat and ugly. I can guarantee that I'm stronger, faster, richer, better looking, better educatye, and have more money than him.
As for your interest in being a natural bodybuilder - with all due respect, I think it's fucking retarded. Again, you are carrying 50-lb of unnecessary mass that does nothing but hurt your health.
I will NOT spend 18 months to make those gains. I'm fine spending 16 weeks doing it. I'm already finding all this eating and shitting annoying.
I don't have the same goals as you, and since you won't post a picture, I'm fairly confident in saying that you obviously look like shit.
You are neither better looking than me, nor have a better physique than me, so with respect, MCWAY: shut the fuck up.
The two best periods where I made my gains, where when I was:
1) A broke college student, trying to get my degree in engineering; and
2) Working 60 hours a week, with a wife and kids to feed.
Yet, you ARE increasing your calories. But, you're only doing so when you're taking steroids. Therefore, by your own warped logic, you are risking your health, twice over: By eating MORE food AND taking anabolics.
Yeah - FOR 16 WEEKS, YOU DUMB FUCK.
You are carrying 50-lb of mass on me [and are almost certainly fatter than me] FOR A LIFETIME.
When you do the math, the health risk I'm taking - something I concede - is still healthier than had I pursued natural bodybuilding over the past 15 years.
Also, for all the deaths in pro bodybuilding, it's been diuretics that are much more damaging than the bulking agents. It seems to me that the chemicals are certainly a part of it, but being over 300-lb is another part. I would say the bigger part, but it's hard to know for sure.
Anyway, as I said - I'm sure you look like shit. Hence why you have never posted a photo. I post my pictures and get made fun of, yet I went to the biggest facility in town last week, and without any doubt, I had the best male physique in the entire building.
People making fun of my physique on here are just...frankly, just fucking delusional. It's weird. Message boards are retarded at times.
But as I said, I am sure you look like garbage, hence why you don't post photos of yourself.
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Walter Sobchak is still posting here which is great. I've read one of his posts since November, and he still opens all of my threads. Absolute fucking loser. I just told the mods - if he posts any libelous speech about me, delete it. Any legal speech, I couldn't give a shit about.
He once said he warms up with my workout. What an absolute stupid sack of shit. First off - when you bench press 315, you are not only in the top 0.1% of male strength. And there are levels from there. Are we to believe this dumb shit has ever surpassed my previous best bench press of 315x8? Lol...
Right.
Anyone who is that strong - unless they are some fat powerlifter, or particularly ugly - would not feel any need to constantly insult someone beneath them.
It just goes without saying, when someone is not on your level. He wouldn't feel so insecure to attack me, when I don't even read a single fucking thing that he posts. As for me attacking him - I am RESPONDING to his posts and callouts.
That stupid fuck seriously claimed to be stronger than me. What an absolutely delusional dumb piece of shit. Considering I literally have all the fucking strength records in my weight class in Northwestern Ontario. You'd have to literally not work out to not understand how RETARDED you sound saying you warm up with the workout of a man as strong as me. No one - short of literally fucking powerlifters, for fuck's sake - are warming up with my workout.
It just makes me wonder if he trains at all.
But if he was as strong as he claims, he would be eager to post videos or pictures proving it.
Also, I'd be glad to enter any contest on here that he competes in.
I would beat him in any lift, or in any athletic endeavour of any kind. Even in a physique competition, I would beat him. And I'm up for any of that, I might add.
Given that he is probably some combination of fat, ugly, or bald [and he has no savings, so he has to work a 9 to 5 to make ends meet, LOLOLOL], no wonder he trashes me on here. He knows we could put both of our pictures on a dating website, and I'd have 10x the messages from women. He knows that, I know that. So he stays anonymous.
I do wish he'd shut the fuck up though. That said, the Ignore Feature works incredibly well.
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Every study on caloric restriction in rodents, and every study on longevity, specifically super-centenarians.
I thought you no longer wanted to live and now you care about longevity? Fuck off and start jabbing your ass!
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Every study on caloric restriction in rodents, and every study on longevity, specifically super-centenarians. I think you said you were 220-lb. You're literally carrying around 50-lb of unnecessary mass. Muscle or not, it taxes your body, and reduces your organ and systemic integrity. I stay at 170 as a conscious health decision. On enough PED's, I'd be 250 for sure. I've been as heavy as 213 naturally. I don't want to weigh that much because in general, it is less healthy than weighing less.
As far as putting in the effort in eating - I don't want to do it. I will do it temporarily, just for kicks, but only temporarily. I have no interest in adding 50-lb of unnecessary body weight that you have on me. That's doing nothing good for your health, and I can guarantee you that me doing a one-off cycle and going up 15+ pounds for a few months is nowhere near as bad as you carrying 50+ pounds more than me for literally 15+ years. That's 15 years of your heart beating for 50 more pounds of mass, which does absolutely nothing for your health. Arguably, there are social benefits to being 220, that likely impact your morale, which is correlated with good health.
Though if you are natural, if I had to guess, you'd be 170 cut, if that. Of course you have no pictures, so if I had to guess, I look better than you. Even if not bigger - I suspect I look better/more aesthetic, and am probably facially more handsome than you, with better teeth and hair.
Earth to Matt: We ain't rats. Who cares what the books say? If the "studies" don't apply to you, you do something else that does. You are the one, constantly yelping about how it "sucks" to be natural, while engaging in perpetually ineffective practices, simply because some book or some study told you how you're supposed to eat.
As for my health, I just had a physical less than two months ago, and it's a thumbs-up from my doctor. So, there goes another nail in the coffin for your so-called studies.
If you want to think you look better than I do, knock yourself out. I'm not competing against you; so I couldn't care less.
Do you suppose maybe that's why I don't give a fuck about radically changing my physique? I already have a look that I quite like, and the amount of work required for me to make MARGINAL improvements while REDUCING my health is just not worth it.
Why the fuck would I pay money and spend time to cook and clean and shit and piss and far more, while reducing my health in the process? Do you understand that not everyone has the same goals you do?
If that were the case, you wouldn't be blubbering incessantly, wailing about getting the sacred syringes, merely to obtain modest results that you could have obtained without them months ago.
BTW, what so-called study did you unearth that gave you the ridiculous notion that you'd somehow would not have to use the restroom or cook or clean or spend as much money.........DESPITE INCREASING YOUR CALORIES AND PROTEIN LEVELS (which you plan on doing for at least 16 weeks)......simply because you're now taking steroids?
And, O strawman-erecting one, I never mentioned anything about your radically changing your physique. I believe I referred to the gains you were seeking as "modest". I merely mentioned 300-lb bodybuilders to make the point that I learned years ago: Steroids or no steroids, if I want to make serious gains in size and strength, I have to put away the calories....PERIOD!
Guys who took steroids told me that; guys who didn't take steroids told me that.
Every time I saw a bodybuilder with 20 years of sauce in him, go back to looking like he never picked up a weight in his life, literally within 1-3 years of getting off the juice completely, I realized how fake bodybuilding was.
Dollars to donuts, those bodybuilders stopped doing EVERYTHING ELSE (eating, training, etc) as well. And that doesn't even take injuries or health issues into the equation.
If guys are still training and eating and modify their routines of both accordingly, they will STILL be big, even if they aren't as massive as they once were on the sauce. They may be SMALLER, but they won't be small.
I can walk into ANY GYM IN THIS CITY, and be fittest and strongest person there 90% of the time. As for your claims, you're probably like Sarcasm [RIP] who would shit on everyone, only to later be outed as being 5'11" and 320-lb and obese [and ugly].
Guaranteed, Walter Sobchak is just as fat and ugly. I can guarantee that I'm stronger, faster, richer, better looking, better educatye, and have more money than him.
As for your interest in being a natural bodybuilder - with all due respect, I think it's fucking retarded. Again, you are carrying 50-lb of unnecessary mass that does nothing but hurt your health.
I will NOT spend 18 months to make those gains. I'm fine spending 16 weeks doing it. I'm already finding all this eating and shitting annoying.
Then your city and gym must be very small. Because if you come to mine, you'll get your feelings hurt really quickly. And, I don't even train at a place that folks would consider "hardcore". At 185 lbs, you would be nowhere NEAR the biggest, strongest, fittest, nor best-looking where I train.....NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
And where do you keep getting this foolishness about 18 months?
I don't have the same goals as you, and since you won't post a picture, I'm fairly confident in saying that you obviously look like shit.
You are neither better looking than me, nor have a better physique than me, so with respect, MCWAY: shut the fuck up.
Yeah - FOR 16 WEEKS, YOU DUMB FUCK.
You are carrying 50-lb of mass on me [and are almost certainly fatter than me] FOR A LIFETIME.
When you do the math, the health risk I'm taking - something I concede - is still healthier than had I pursued natural bodybuilding over the past 15 years.
Also, for all the deaths in pro bodybuilding, it's been diuretics that are much more damaging than the bulking agents. It seems to me that the chemicals are certainly a part of it, but being over 300-lb is another part. I would say the bigger part, but it's hard to know for sure.
Anyway, as I said - I'm sure you look like shit. Hence why you have never posted a photo. I post my pictures and get made fun of, yet I went to the biggest facility in town last week, and without any doubt, I had the best male physique in the entire building.
People making fun of my physique on here are just...frankly, just fucking delusional. It's weird. Message boards are retarded at times.
But as I said, I am sure you look like garbage, hence why you don't post photos of yourself.
So, for four months, you're going to take steroids and eat more calories and protein to gain 30 lbs.
Then, you're going to STOP using steroids, quit eating as much, and go back to your suspect training routine......which will RESULT in your LOSING those 30 lbs (or more) and being even more of a basket case than you currently are.
And you call me "DUMB"?
I'm not the one, whining about what I can or can't do without steroids. Again, you keep posting this ridiculous argument that it would take you 18 months to make the gains you want, without the needle. That's absurd!
I know firsthand, because I've been able to do so, in far less time. You want to go from 183 to 215? I went from 189 to 210 back in 1996, during my college years. And I did so without steroids (as mentioned earlier, I could barely afford weight gainers and protein powder, back in the day), in one college semester.....which is somewhere around 16 weeks.
Guys who do take steroids, who have posted their pictures, WHO ARE BIGGER THAN YOU (and bigger than me) have told you REPEATEDLY that such is not the case. They also told you that your current training and diet protocols are horrible.
Your warped version of "natural bodybuilding" speaks for itself: Eating too few calories, training way too frequently, not recovering adequately, and especially DOING THE SAME MESS REPEATEDLY simply because some "study" told you this is what you're supposed to do.
Plus, if your brain were functionally correctly, you would recall that I (and several others) have stated that what you were doing was utterly STUPID, even if you are taking steroids.
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I’m not reading through this thread but I’m confident that Matt’s gym etiquette is beyond reproach.💪
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Looking forward to progress pics during your journey, Matt.
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I just told the mods - if he posts any libelous speech about me, delet it.
Is that what you "told" the mods?
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Walter Sobchak is still posting here which is great. I've read one of his posts since November, and he still opens all of my threads. Absolute fucking loser. I just told the mods - if he posts any libelous speech about me, delet it. Any legal speech, I couldn't give a shit about.
He once said he warms up with my workout. What an absolute stupid sack of shit. First off - when you bench press 315, you are not only in the top 0.1% of male strength. And there are levels from there. Are we to believe this dumb shit has ever surpassed my previous best bench press of 315x8? Lol...
Right.
Anyone who is that strong - unless they are some fat powerlifter, or particularly ugly - would not feel any need to constantly insult someone beneath them.
It just goes without saying, when someone is not on your level. He wouldn't feel so insecure to attack me, when I don't even read a single fucking thing that he posts. As for me attacking him - I am RESPONDING to his posts and callouts.
That stupid fuck seriously claimed to be stronger than me. What an absolutely delusional dumb piece of shit. Considering I literally have all the fucking strength records in my weight class in Northwestern Ontario. You'd have to literally not work out to not understand how RETARDED you sound saying you warm up with the workout of a man as strong as me. No one - short of literally fucking powerlifters, for fuck's sake - are warming up with my workout.
It just makes me wonder if he trains at all.
But if he was as strong as he claims, he would be eager to post videos or pictures proving it.
Also, I'd be glad to enter any contest on here that he competes in.
I would beat him in any lift, or in any athletic endeavour of any kind. Even in a physique competition, I would beat him. And I'm up for any of that, I might add.
Given that he is probably some combination of fat, ugly, or bald [and he has no savings, so he has to work a 9 to 5 to make ends meet, LOLOLOL], no wonder he trashes me on here. He knows we could put both of our pictures on a dating website, and I'd have 10x the messages from women. He knows that, I know that. So he stays anonymous.
I do wish he'd shut the fuck up though. That said, the Ignore Feature works incredibly well.
Matt Canning you tiny little retarded bitch, for a manlet who says he’s ignoring me, you sure spend a lot of time and effort discussing me. But that is all part of you being a spastic attention whore.
The weights you lift are nothing special…at any body weight. There is no such thing as a 160 lb strongman you fucking retard. Who the fuck goes to the gym and does idiotic circus lifts with dumbbells in the middle of the room….a fucking autistic retard, that’s who?
You have a Bachelors degree from Lakehead University, which is like a high school GED.
Get the fuck off the internet and go spend some time raising your illegitimate brood of kids. And make up your fucking weak mind about steroids, no one cares about it and they won’t help a tiny twink like you anyway.
Closet phaggot.
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Matt Canning you tiny little retarded bitch, for a manlet who says he’s ignoring me, you sure spend a lot of time and effort discussing me. But that is all part of you being a spastic attention whore.
The weights you lift are nothing special…at any body weight. There is no such thing as a 160 lb strongman you fucking retard. Who the fuck goes to the gym and does idiotic circus lifts with dumbbells in the middle of the room….a fucking autistic retard, that’s who?
You have a Bachelors degree from Lakehead University, which is like a high school GED.
Get the fuck off the internet and go spend some time raising your illegitimate brood of kids. And make up your fucking weak mind about steroids, no one cares about it and they won’t help a tiny twink like you anyway.
Closet phaggot.
Walter, it would be helpful if you would highlight which of this is "libel speech" vs "legal speech" so that the mods can follow Matt's instructions on what to delete.
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Walter, it would be helpful if you would highlight which of this is "libel speech" vs "legal speech" so that the mods can follow Matt's instructions on what to delete.
This is goddamn ’Merica and we have the right to call a low IQ weakling, a low IQ weakling, even if it hurts their sissified feelings.
So fuck that spastic little kunt and his rainbow colored spectrum medications with Primehomosexual’s dick.
You can’t defame a retarded closet phaggot attention-whore. The little manlet needs to get off the internet and go spend some time with his illegitimate brood of kids. Or at least go practice his racist rants in his $11.00 Zellers full-length mirror.
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This is goddamn ’Merica and we have the right to call a low IQ weakling, a low IQ weakling, even if it hurts their sissified feelings.
So fuck that spastic little kunt and his rainbow colored spectrum medications with Primehomosexual’s dick.
You can’t defame a retarded closet phaggot attention-whore. The little manlet needs to get off the internet and go spend some time with his illegitimate brood of kids. Or at least go practice his racist rants in his $11.00 Zellers full-length mirror.
A meeting of The Committee™ was had and determined the above is all "legal speech" and will remain untouched.
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A meeting of The Committee™ was had and determined the above is all "legal speech" and will remain untouched.
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@Matt - who oiled you up for this shoot?
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I thought you no longer wanted to live and now you care about longevity? Fuck off and start jabbing your ass!
;D ;D ;D
I've taken one jab so far, Flexacon.
God, I don't want to waste this fucking cycle by not eating enough.
I went to Subway today, which was a bit of a caloric boost.
I'm cutting this off if I'm not solidly at 2,500+ calories daily in the first month.
I WISH I could just train twice as long - I am a hard and committed trainer.
Imagine, the hard part for me is literally stuffing calories down my throat. ::) That's the easy part for many people.
Regarding life - you live in Europe right, Flex?
I fear for both of our futures.
As I said before - I'm lucky. I'm blessed. I have everything a man wants. I just fear death so much that it makes me not want to live.
And I also think Canada is becoming communistic in many ways...
But hey - I read all of your posts with great interest, and pay close mind to everything you post. I have ditched white rice for Basmati, since following your advise.
Any tips to increase my calories - I'm all ears.
Regardless of what MCWAY says, my training is bang on. It's sound. No issues there. But I need to eat more...
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;D ;D ;D
I've taken one jab so far, Flexacon.
God, I don't want to waste this fucking cycle by not eating enough.
I went to Subway today, which was a bit of a caloric boost.
I'm cutting this off if I'm not solidly at 2,500+ calories daily in the first month.
I WISH I could just train twice as long - I am a hard and committed trainer.
Imagine, the hard part for me is literally stuffing calories down my throat. ::) That's the easy part for many people.
Regarding life - you live in Europe right, Flex?
I fear for both of our futures.
As I said before - I'm lucky. I'm blessed. I have everything a man wants. I just fear death so much that it makes me not want to live.
And I also think Canada is becoming communistic in many ways...
But hey - I read all of your posts with great interest, and pay close mind to everything you post. I have ditched white rice for Basmati, since following your advise.
Any tips to increase my calories - I'm all ears.
Regardless of what MCWAY says, my training is bang on. It's sound. No issues there. But I need to eat more...
You were already given tips on increasing calories. One guy showed you a product by Mutant Nutrition (Flex Food, I think it's called). Or, you can go old school (as I mentioned earlier) by mixing eggs and milk. Greek yogurt would be a better selection, as it has almost no lactose. Two cups of Greek yogurt and 2-3 eggs is about 500 calories and at least 40 grams of protein (depending on the type of Greek yogurt and the size of your eggs).
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You literally said you were 183lbs starting out this cycle a few pages ago now you want to get to your starting weight? For fuck sake forget about the damn water forget about counting calories and just eat as much as you can the next few weeks. There is water in food. You don't need to be slamming water you need to be eating 4-5k calories minimum. Use water to wash it down. You are not going to put on 20lbs in 2-3 months eating 2500 calories a day that is fucking nonsense. Eat until you want to throw up then keep fucking eating.
4-5K calories?! You're out of your mind
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I remember MassiveG on MuscleMayhem said he had previously eaten upwards of 500g of protein daily. That's just silly.
The research seems to be consistent with respect to about 1g protein per 1-lb of LBM per day. So for me, that would be about 145g protein daily. With the increased protein synthesis from gear, I'll strive for 200g daily. I'd rather overshoot that figure than not get enough - but there would be NO REASON for me to go to 300g daily.
If I manage 220g daily on most days, that would be fine.
The magazines sure did sell a complete load of bollocks when it came to the inputs into bodybuilding.
They sure did. The past couple year I'm sure there were days I didn't even break 100grams of protein and I've still never dropped below 200lbs
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You don't need much more than 3k calories to build quality mass. You aren't a very big person, no offense.
Don't let people distract you.
I can gain good size on 3k cals per day.
Eating was the hardest part for me, but you have to build up to it. Slowly increase your calories a little week by week. Don't just stuff your face with junk. It takes time to build actual muscle tissue.
Also, don't be afraid to completely change your workouts. Go for volume for a few months.
I know you think you know everything about your body, but you don't.
It took me almost a decade to change the way i trained and once i did it was insane how much better my workouts got, and certain body parts blew the fuck up (from within).
Literally just try to add another small meal into your diet, even if you don't eat it every day.
Don't get caught up in the "daily" needs, that's just a unit of measure. Your body processes food and nutrients over a longer period than 24 hours. Just try to be consistent. On the weekends i always eat more just because it's easier.
I've been 260 pounds with a 34" waist and i never ate more than 4k calories a day. When i went over 5k cals a day i felt like shit, looked like shit and had serious digestive issues. It's not necessary.
You aren't trying to be Mr O. Just enjoy the ride.
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Add a protein shake or two but be careful because many of those "mass gainers" have a ton of calories and carbs in them that you will just shit out.
1g of protein per pound of BW at a minimum.
I never consumed more than 300g's a day. Most days it's more like 200.
Easy peasy.
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Eat big, lift big, get big.
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So...
Against my better judgement, I went out with friends on Tuesday night, and had two drinks. ::) I had one Budweiser tall can on May 28th, and prior to that, I hadn't had a drink of alcohol since May 22nd of last year.
Stupid, stupid. I just dehydrated myself for no reason. Oh, and...it turned out my friend poured at least one shot of vodka into the 7% drink he poured me, so I probably had at least four servings. I didn't even realize that until it seemed like more than two.
That won't happen again - fuck that!
Alcohol is nasty.
That said, I'm still up 5-lb in basically a week now. I'm 188-lb here, and I started at 183-lb.
I don't want to waste this cycle. Any less than 200-lb final progress will be a waste to me. And again - if I'm not consistently at 2,500+ calories [including 200g of protein] + 3L of water daily by Independence Day, I'm cancelling this cycle.
I think I can do it. I'll keep everyone posted.
That's a protein shake with two scoops of Six Star Nutrition chocolate whey powder with 2% milk and orange juice. And that's a 12" BMT on cheese bread from Subway.
And another back shot for good measure. ;D
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They sure did. The past couple year I'm sure there were days I didn't even break 100grams of protein and I've still never dropped below 200lbs
Exactly right, ChristopherA.
As if we need hundreds of grams of protein a day, lol.
I should strive for 200g though. I think the literature is pretty clear on our ability to synthesize 1g of protein per 1-lb of LBM daily.
Aiming for 200g daily protein is just to maximize my extra protein synthesis ability from being on gear.
As for 4-5K calories a day - LOL. No. You're right about that too, ChristopherA. Not happening. I appreciate B. Hank's advice here...but, no.
Keep in mind I average about 1,100 daily. Going to 2,500 daily will work well for me. I'll see about increasing that to 3,000+, but I have to give my body some time to adjust.
My doctor wants me to go up 300, to bring my TSH level down, and get my thyroid fully in the normal range.
Today in the gym, I still made improvements over last week DESPITE having drank alcohol on Tuesday. And THAT'S why I find it so annoying when people downplay gear. Why would I have my best workout this month AFTER having blown my Tuesday rest day? ::)
Using the same weight as last week on the same exercise, I went from 13 reps to 17. Normally, I only improve by a rep or two a week - sometimes I stay the same, and sometimes, I go down a bit.
Meanwhile, I'm up four reps, despite writing off Tuesday by staying up literally all night, on top of those drinks. ::) The gear kicking in made all the difference.
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Anyway - I'm willing to make some bets here.
Who here wants to see me bench press 225x30? That's the Northwestern Ontario record, set in 2012, by that year's Ontario's Strongest Man winner.
Enough with the bullshit about eating clean and employing the Weider Principles. ::) I'm running gear, and I WILL make progress that would have otherwise been extremely difficult if not IMPOSSIBLE off the sauce.
God, we are a BODYBUILDING MESSAGE BOARD. Enough with downplaying gear! The stuff works - OBVIOUSLY.
Who wants to see a video of me doing 110-lb per hand seated dumbbell presses?
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Man, I couldn't even drink that whole blender, and I'm FULL AS FUCK already, G** damnit! ;D
That's what, just over 800 calories, and I can't even drink it down, after eating 80% of that sub five hours ago. ::)
Whatever. I'll try to force it down.
In my first cycle in 2004, I did everything right - with the PVL Sustanon 350 I was using being of questionable quality [good Dbol though], and I went from 170 to 187.
I should be able to go to 200+ this time - heck, I could see myself hitting 213 [a total of +30-lb], but I don't want to get too fat.
Since I'm pretty confident about gear quality this time, I could see myself reaching over 200, if I do everything right, nutrition-wise.
Man, am I struggling to eat though. I'll put it this way - 1,800 calories and I'm full. So this week, I'll be shooting for around the 2K mark, and I want to be comfortably around 2,500 before the end of next week.
Then try to creep that up to 3,000+ before Independence Day.
4-5K calories will not be necessary, as ChristopherA said [or not be POSSIBLE, lol].
I've been on under 1,500 calories daily for 18 years now - that won't be some overnight fix. I just want to get that 200g protein in + ~3L of water daily.
This cycle will go well if I can do that.
My training is on point - no worries there. I'm already back to bench pressing 225x15. I'm CONFIDENT that will be 20+ within a month, and if anyone wants to see me hit 30, I'm sure I can do it.
My training is fine. Don't worry, MCWAY - I'll be applying the Weider Principles throughout this cycle. But as for "natural bodybuilding" - pfft. A man of 5'10" can maybe hit, what, 175-lb in contest shape?
Frank Zane was 5'9" and 185-lb at his best. And he wasn't by any means natural.
I much prefer natural strength training. Gaining muscle tissue at a snail's pace while shitting and pissing 3x as often and reducing my systemic health is of no interest to me.
I just want a quick one-off cycle to feel like a mini-bodybuilder for the summer.
Oh - and I got laid on Tuesday night. ;D That was my 3rd one-night stand. A 27-year-old blonde. When I told her I was 40, she demanded to see my ID. ;D ;D ;D
A gay Black dude was there too, and said I had the perfect body - and that's why I'm doing this. For the compliments...for the memories...and then go back to my natural body weight - maybe just over 180, with the +300 daily calories my doctor ordered.
No disrespect to large men - but I feel very comfortable as a lightweight. Hey - to each their own.
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You don't need much more than 3k calories to build quality mass. You aren't a very big person, no offense.
Hey - you're just telling it like if is. No offense taken!
I just hate when some anonymous dick like "Walter Sobchak" says he warms up with my workout when he a finally works out with my warmup.
I have no issue doing a challenge with him - I'll beat him on every lift, and I'm willing to give him a 70-lb body weight advantage.
I've competed in Strongman contests just one level before the provincial heavyweight level. I have had many workouts with much heavier men. None of whom "warmed up with my workout".
Don't let people distract you.
I can gain good size on 3k cals per day.
Eating was the hardest part for me, but you have to build up to it. Slowly increase your calories a little week by week. Don't just stuff your face with junk. It takes time to build actual muscle tissue.
Also, don't be afraid to completely change your workouts. Go for volume for a few months.
I know you think you know everything about your body, but you don't.
It took me almost a decade to change the way i trained and once i did it was insane how much better my workouts got, and certain body parts blew the fuck up (from within).
Literally just try to add another small meal into your diet, even if you don't eat it every day.
Don't get caught up in the "daily" needs, that's just a unit of measure. Your body processes food and nutrients over a longer period than 24 hours. Just try to be consistent. On the weekends i always eat more just because it's easier.
I've been 260 pounds with a 34" waist and i never ate more than 4k calories a day. When i went over 5k cals a day i felt like shit, looked like shit and had serious digestive issues. It's not necessary.
You aren't trying to be Mr O. Just enjoy the ride.
Thank you. All great advice - and I'm open minded to all good advice.
I do feel I know my body very well - but I'm humble enough to take sound advice where I get it.
Like you - I find eating to be the hardest part. For me, BY FAR. I wish I could train hard for three hours a day, rather than eat more - but...this is bodybuilding, not strength training, for this cycle.
I mentioned the 2012/2014 Ontario's Strongest Man - he was eating ~4,000 calories a day, and he was 285-lb at 5'11.5", and as strong as an ox.
1,100 calories, with maybe 120g protein daily and <1L water is unacceptable though.
That needs to be doubled. Regarding strategy - as you said, incremental changes may be best...but I think if I'm drinking half my calories, I could be at 2,500 within 10 days.
Then increase that gradually to around the 3K mark.
Basically - I just want to hit that 200g protein +3L of water daily.
Protein is obviously the most important macro. And water is essential.
My instinct is always to train in the 1-6 rep range. So today I had to remind myself - HYPERTROPHY ONLY THIS SUMMER/CYCLE.
So I made sure to go up in the rep range - insisting on 8-12+ reps, and I added some drop sets. I focused on controlled repetitions, and it was the second half of my workout that got my all my pump.
Unfortunately, my chest sucks...I don't see it improving much, even on gear. But I think I'll look ok.
Again - I am going to strive every day for that protein and water intake + bodybuilding-style training only.
My training partner is disappointed that I drank alcohol this week, and so am I. I intend to weigh 190 by this weekend. Just gradual improvements.
I always wanted to have a Mark Wahlberg-esque physique, but I suspect he's probably on gear [or has been in the past]. He has amazing genetics though - especially for chest.
If this cycle goes well - maybe I will take up natural bodybuilding. I prefer natural strength training though. Again - to each their own.
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Hey, how do I look here? :D
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@Matt - who oiled you up for this shoot?
What shoot?
The only oiled pictures I took was from back in June, when I started training again [before the gyms closed again. ::)].
My friend Serena oiled me up.
She died in February. :( :'(
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What shoot?
The only oiled pictures I took was from back in June, when I started training again [before the gyms closed again. ::)].
My friend Serena oiled me up.
She died in February. :( :'(
neglegted the basement feedings?
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neglegted the basement feedings?
I wish I knew. :(
We have the same doctor - and even he asked me if she had overdosed on Fentanyl. She was only 36.
It was probably drugs, but I don't know for sure.
Lots of the coke here is cut up with Fentanyl. It's been like that in North America for a while now. Damn shame. She was a young woman.
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Van Bilderass outed me for steroid use way back in the day, based on my delts being disproportionate to the rest of my body. ;D
He said it's because the deltoids have more testosterone receptors than other muscle groups.
The area highlighted below [my front delts] are what I find grow disproportionately while on gear.
It's that part that I expect to be visually very different as this cycle continues.
I don't have many strong body parts from a bodybuilding perspective. But I do expect to see my delts blow up quite a bit. I like that - because the shoulders are a very visual part that catch the eye. I'll look better in a tank top, even if my chest still sucks.
I'll still be applying all the tips and tricks given to me by Getbiggers for my chest. I'm sure I'll make some progress, but - chest development just isn't my strong suit.
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Eat big, lift big, get big fat.
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So...
Against my better judgement, I went out with friends on Tuesday night, and had two drinks. ::) I had one Budweiser tall can on May 28th, and prior to that, I hadn't had a drink of alcohol since May 22nd of last year.
Stupid, stupid. I just dehydrated myself for no reason. Oh, and...it turned out my friend poured at least one shot of vodka into the 7% drink he poured me, so I probably had at least four servings. I didn't even realize that until it seemed like more than two.
That won't happen again - fuck that!
Alcohol is nasty.
That said, I'm still up 5-lb in basically a week now. I'm 188-lb here, and I started at 183-lb.
I don't want to waste this cycle. Any less than 200-lb final progress will be a waste to me. And again - if I'm not consistently at 2,500+ calories [including 200g of protein] + 3L of water daily by Independence Day, I'm cancelling this cycle.
I think I can do it. I'll keep everyone posted.
That's a protein shake with two scoops of Six Star Nutrition chocolate whey powder with 2% milk and orange juice. And that's a 12" BMT on cheese bread from Subway.
And another back shot for good measure. ;D
Relax Matt, you don’t need to force down 2500 calories and 200 grams of protein. If you usually eat 800-1000 and you up it to 1800 you will gain and no need for that much protein, I rarely take i. More than 125 and couldn’t care less if I get 75. Just eat lift and sleep and you will easily be 200. Just relax and stop overthinking it, it’s not that big of deal. It will happen if you train hard.
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I’m a fan of MattC.
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Man, I couldn't even drink that whole blender, and I'm FULL AS FUCK already, G** damnit! ;D
That's what, just over 800 calories, and I can't even drink it down, after eating 80% of that sub five hours ago. ::)
Whatever. I'll try to force it down.
In my first cycle in 2004, I did everything right - with the PVL Sustanon 350 I was using being of questionable quality [good Dbol though], and I went from 170 to 187.
I should be able to go to 200+ this time - heck, I could see myself hitting 213 [a total of +30-lb], but I don't want to get too fat.
Since I'm pretty confident about gear quality this time, I could see myself reaching over 200, if I do everything right, nutrition-wise.
Man, am I struggling to eat though. I'll put it this way - 1,800 calories and I'm full. So this week, I'll be shooting for around the 2K mark, and I want to be comfortably around 2,500 before the end of next week.
Then try to creep that up to 3,000+ before Independence Day.
4-5K calories will not be necessary, as ChristopherA said [or not be POSSIBLE, lol].
I've been on under 1,500 calories daily for 18 years now - that won't be some overnight fix. I just want to get that 200g protein in + ~3L of water daily.
This cycle will go well if I can do that.
My training is on point - no worries there. I'm already back to bench pressing 225x15. I'm CONFIDENT that will be 20+ within a month, and if anyone wants to see me hit 30, I'm sure I can do it.
My training is fine. Don't worry, MCWAY - I'll be applying the Weider Principles throughout this cycle. But as for "natural bodybuilding" - pfft. A man of 5'10" can maybe hit, what, 175-lb in contest shape?
Frank Zane was 5'9" and 185-lb at his best. And he wasn't by any means natural.
I much prefer natural strength training. Gaining muscle tissue at a snail's pace while shitting and pissing 3x as often and reducing my systemic health is of no interest to me.
Once again, you keep erecting strawman arguments with no basis in facts. Because, one man need steroids to be 5'9", 185-lb, everyone else does as well? PLEASE!!!
Plus, who said anything about abandoning strength training? Quite the opposite, most natural bodybuilders who are fairly big are even stronger than they look. You actually have to be strong to be big without steroids!! WHAT A SHOCKER....said nobody!!
225 x 15 on the flat-bench. Been there; done that!! That started back in 1996. I didn't need steroids to do it; nor did it take me 18 months.
Taking steroids is somehow going to keep you from having to use the bathroom frequently, DESPITE your deliberately increasing your calories? What manner of foolishness is that?
I just want a quick one-off cycle to feel like a mini-bodybuilder for the summer.
Oh - and I got laid on Tuesday night. ;D That was my 3rd one-night stand. A 27-year-old blonde. When I told her I was 40, she demanded to see my ID. ;D ;D ;D
A gay Black dude was there too, and said I had the perfect body - and that's why I'm doing this. For the compliments...for the memories...and then go back to my natural body weight - maybe just over 180, with the +300 daily calories my doctor ordered.
No disrespect to large men - but I feel very comfortable as a lightweight. Hey - to each their own.
Yet, you're taking performance-enhancing drugs to get to 215 lbs. Even, when you drop back to 180, that makes you a light-heavyweight, not a lightweight.
Anyway - I'm willing to make some bets here.
Who here wants to see me bench press 225x30? That's the Northwestern Ontario record, set in 2012, by that year's Ontario's Strongest Man winner.
Enough with the bullshit about eating clean and employing the Weider Principles. ::) I'm running gear, and I WILL make progress that would have otherwise been extremely difficult if not IMPOSSIBLE off the sauce.
God, we are a BODYBUILDING MESSAGE BOARD. Enough with downplaying gear! The stuff works - OBVIOUSLY.
More strawman arguments. Who said anything about "eating clean" or the "Weider principles"? I mentioned those in the context of how I cut my proverbial bodybuilding teeth. I also stated that I scrapped those Weider principles (or at least, the ones that were ineffective for me) for other strategies that produced results.
I do recall mentioning eating beef, whole eggs, and milk, instead of chicken breasts, egg whites, and rice. And it was straight to take of fire with that 60-30-10 nutrition routine.
That's I how I got from 189 to 210 lbs in one semester without using anabolics (which I could neither access nor afford, at the time).
Regular food, weight gainers (Yes, I used Weider's Mega Mass 2000), and GNC's Milk & Egg or Soy Protein powder are the items I used to get it done.
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Relax Matt, you don’t need to force down 2500 calories and 200 grams of protein. If you usually eat 800-1000 and you up it to 1800 you will gain and no need for that much protein, I rarely take i. More than 125 and couldn’t care less if I get 75. Just eat lift and sleep and you will easily be 200. Just relax and stop overthinking it, it’s not that big of deal. It will happen if you train hard.
Too many worry about protein.
I get bigger/stronger when I eat pasta/carbs. Of course protein is important, but yes, overblown due to the supp industry.
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Too many worry about protein.
I get bigger/stronger when I eat pasta/carbs. Of course protein is important, but yes, overblown due to the supp industry.
I agree with this, however, if on a calorie restriction, I think protein should be the go to macro.
Could be just broscience but I'm sticking to it.
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Too many worry about protein.
I get bigger/stronger when I eat pasta/carbs. Of course protein is important, but yes, overblown due to the supp industry.
This.
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Too many worry about protein.
I get bigger/stronger when I eat pasta/carbs. Of course protein is important, but yes, overblown due to the supp industry.
I agree with this, however, if on a calorie restriction, I think protein should be the go to macro.
Could be just broscience but I'm sticking to it.
"Bioscience" is simply empirical data (aka "Trial and error"). That's what Matt doesn't get.
He has it fused in his skull that there is only one way to gain size without steroids. And, if that doesn't work....or at least, doesn't work quickly enough, then "natural bodybuilding sucks" and it's time to hit the syringe.
My point, from the start, was that the modest gains he seeks DO NOT REQUIRE STEROIDS and WILL NOT TAKE A YEAR AND HALF to obtain (why he's stuck on that 18-month crap, I'll never know).
When that 60-30-10 diet thing didn't work for me, I didn't weep, wail, gnash my teeth, or stare out the window singing, "Someday my stack will come!!"
Some folks do better with more carbs; others prefer more protein and fat.
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"Bioscience" is simply empirical data (aka "Trial and error"). That's what Matt doesn't get.
He has it fused in his skull that there is only one way to gain size without steroids. And, if that doesn't work....or at least, doesn't work quickly enough, then "natural bodybuilding sucks" and it's time to hit the syringe.
My point, from the start, was that the modest gains he seeks DO NOT REQUIRE STEROIDS and WILL NOT TAKE A YEAR AND HALF to obtain (why he's stuck on that 18-month crap, I'll never know).
When that 60-30-10 diet thing didn't work for me, I didn't weep, wail, gnash my teeth, or stare out the window singing, "Someday my stack will come!!"
Some folks do better with more carbs; others prefer more protein and fat.
Agree that ones genetic makeup determines the diet they need for sure.
And, I too gained the most weight and strength when I didn't have much money. I basically bought an $8 box of powdered milk, and twice a day would force down a shake of milk / a cup of powdered milk / a cup of oats / peanut butter. It was gross but I did it. Hit 225 for 18 on the bench. I cannot come close to that now, as I have no desire to artificially force my body to a weight it doesn't want.
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Agree that ones genetic makeup determines the diet they need for sure.
And, I too gained the most weight and strength when I didn't have much money. I basically bought an $8 box of powdered milk, and twice a day would force down a shake of milk / a cup of powdered milk / a cup of oats / peanut butter. It was gross but I did it. Hit 225 for 18 on the bench. I cannot come close to that now, as I have no desire to artificially force my body to a weight it doesn't want.
No eggs?
Another interesting phenomenon, about which I can also testify: Once you get fairly big, you can stay that way with modest calories.
I certainly am not downing the 4500-5000 calories I once did over 25 years ago. Yet, I can stay in the 220s fairly easily. But, it took the aforementioned amount of food just to get me over 200 lbs back then.
And, I've been able to modify my diet to keep improving my strength over the years, to the point where 225 is now my repping weight on the incline.
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No eggs?
Another interesting phenomenon, about which I can also testify: Once you get fairly big, you can stay that way with modest calories.
I certainly am not downing the 4500-5000 calories I once did over 25 years ago. Yet, I can stay in the 220s fairly easily. But, it took the aforementioned amount of food just to get me over 200 lbs back then.
And, I've been able to modify my diet to keep improving my strength over the years, to the point where 225 is now my repping weight on the incline.
No eggs. I was working in a restaurant, so I got a meal or two there, and supplemented with the shakes. Tons of pasta and carbs.
I also was training improperly, focusing on bench and BS, always lifting heavy, never deloading, shitty squat form, no deadlifts....etc.
But the additional weight didn't look good on my frame. So I dropped the weight, changed the training style, and never get on a scale. Very happy where I'm at from this context.
I can't bench as much, but can deadlift much, much more, squat well, and do endurance events over 50 miles with little additional training....all good.
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No eggs. I was working in a restaurant, so I got a meal or two there, and supplemented with the shakes. Tons of pasta and carbs.
I also was training improperly, focusing on bench and BS, always lifting heavy, never deloading, shitty squat form, no deadlifts....etc.
But the additional weight didn't look good on my frame. So I dropped the weight, changed the training style, and never get on a scale. Very happy where I'm at from this context.
I can't bench as much, but can deadlift much, much more, squat well, and do endurance events over 50 miles with little additional training....all good.
I heard some guy from Austria talk about sculpting granite instead of a pebble. Ever heard of him?
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I heard some guy from Austria talk about sculpting granite instead of a pebble. Ever heard of him?
Yeah, but couldn't care less about "size". Speed, strength, endurance and mobility are more important to me. There are times when I'd like a bit more size in my arms or some quad pop, but I get over it fast.
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Yeah, but couldn't care less about "size". Speed, strength, endurance and mobility are more important to me. There are times when I'd like a bit more size in my arms or some quad pop, but I get over it fast.
You have all the size you want. Now, it's sculpting time!! ;D
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You have all the size you want. Now, it's sculpting time!! ;D
Speaking of that...I went from 200-lb before to 160-lb.
Did everything right. Followed all the principles. Ended up being just as fat at 160 as 200. ::)
Bodybuilding is all drugs, and if you looked any better than like shit warmed over, you'd post a picture.
Why won't you post a photo, MCWAY? What are you scared of? ::)
No, no - go a step further: post a face shot showing your hair and teeth. Let's see if you have perfect hair and teeth like me, or are just better looking overall.
It's just so weird to me when uggo's think improving their physique will make a difference, lol.
But ether way - post pictures and videos if you are so much better than me.
If not, then SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're a NATURAL BODYBUILDER at 220-lb. Except that's at 25% body fat, and it means you'd be 170-lb lean.
And I can't FATHOM you are bench pressing 315x10+ reps, and even if you do - CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE MARGINALLY STRONGER THAN ME, DESPITE WEIGHING WAY MORE.
Post pictures or video evidence, which took should WANT to do if you are so much better than me - or shut the fuck up.
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Speaking of that...I went from 200-lb before to 160-lb.
Did everything right. Followed all the principles. Ended up being just as fat at 160 as 200. ::)
Bodybuilding is all drugs, and if you looked any better than like shit warmed over, you'd post a picture.
Why won't you post a photo, MCWAY? What are you scared of? ::)
No, no - go a step further: post a face shot showing your hair and teeth. Let's see if you have perfect hair and teeth like me, or are just better looking overall.
It's just so weird to me when uggo's think improving their physique will make a difference, lol.
But ether way - post pictures and videos if you are so much better than me.
The only person, for whom I need to be good looking is my wife of nearly 20 years (anniversary is at the end of this month). Since most of my brethren in iron here already know I'm bald (shaved my head, while in the military and kept the chrome dome since then), you can have your hair trophy.
You're so great looking; yet you're so insecure, you need to take performance enhancing drugs to "feel alive" and are still skirt-chasing at 40+ years of age.
If not, then SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're a NATURAL BODYBUILDER at 220-lb. Except that's at 25% body fat, and it means you'd be 170-lb lean.
And I can't FATHOM you are bench pressing 315x10+ reps, and even if you do - CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE MARGINALLY STRONGER THAN ME, DESPITE WEIGHING WAY MORE.
Post pictures or video evidence, which took should WANT to do if you are so much better than me - or shut the fuck up.
I does not care what you can or can't fathom. I will do neither. Why?
People who have already posted pics and are bigger and stronger than YOU have said pretty much the same thing I've said to you: NO, YOU HAVE NOT DONE "EVERYTHING RIGHT!!". Therefore, reinventing the wheel is of no interest to me.
You claim bodybuilding is "all drugs"; yet the ONE THING you've been told to do.....REPEATEDLY by steroid users and non-steroids users alike is to IMPROVE YOUR DIET, regardless of whether you use anabolics.
The fact that you'll only do so, with syringe in tow, shows just how touched in the head you really are.
You're the one, crying like a little sissy about depressed you are. You need a steroid stack to "feel alive" (your words, BTW)? PLEASE!!!
Will you no longer "feel alive" when your experiment stops; you go back to your haphazard ways, and lose those 30 lbs (assuming you actually gain them in the first place)? Please stay away from the shiny pointy objects or any strange pills.
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The only person, for whom I need to be good looking is my wife of nearly 20 years (anniversary is at the end of this month). Since most of my brethren in iron here already know I'm bald (shaved my head, while in the military and kept the chrome dome since then), you can have your hair trophy.
You're so great looking; yet you're so insecure, you need to take performance enhancing drugs to "feel alive" and are still skirt-chasing at 40+ years of age.
Yeah...a human being wants to do steroids to feel good and enjoy the boost in training. WOW!!! Because that's NEVER happened before. ::)
I does not care what you can or can't fathom. I will do neither. Why?
People who have already posted pics and are bigger and stronger than YOU have said pretty much the same thing I've said to you: NO, YOU HAVE NOT DONE "EVERYTHING RIGHT!!". Therefore, reinventing the wheel is of no interest to me.
You will do neither because you're scared to open yourself up to judgment from the board, or post photos where you look marginally better than me physique-wise, or are marginally stronger than me. Thus nullifying your criticism of me.
You claim bodybuilding is "all drugs"; yet the ONE THING you've been told to do.....REPEATEDLY by steroid users and non-steroids users alike is to IMPROVE YOUR DIET, regardless of whether you use anabolics.
The fact that you'll only do so, with syringe in tow, shows just how touched in the head you really are.
You're the one, crying like a little sissy about depressed you are. You need a steroid stack to "feel alive" (your words, BTW)? PLEASE!!!
Will you no longer "feel alive" when your experiment stops; you go back to your haphazard ways, and lose those 30 lbs (assuming you actually gain them in the first place)? Please stay away from the shiny pointy objects or any strange pills.
Why the FUCK WOULD I CHANGE MY DIET WHEN I AM IN LITERALLY PERFECT PHYSICAL HEALTH, AND MY DOCTOR WHO HAS 3,000 PATIENTS SAYS I HAVE THE BEST SYSTEMIC WELLNESS OF ANY OF THEM AT ANY AGE? And I'm 40!
Have you thought that maybe I eat the calorie deficit diet I do because it bodes much better for longevity and overall systemic health?
I will NOT spend 18 months shitting and pissing 3x as much and reducing my health in the long-run. It's not an ACCIDENT that I choose to walk around at 170. And a 3x bodyweight deadlift is considered a world class lift. A 4x body weight deadlift is generally approaching overall world records.
There is literally NO WAY a person my size could post the strength results I have at my weight if he didn't know his way around the gym.
I'm not saying everything I do in the gym is perfect - I'm saying I know wtf I'm doing, and my workouts are perfectly fine.
The deficit for muscle building was always nutritional, but that was a conscious health choice I made for myself, having read about longevity studies when I was in university.
I have NO INTEREST in eating six meals a day and tracking my macros and all the other stuff for years on end, to make the margin and pathetic gains from natural bodybuilding.
I'm ALREADY overhead pressing 110-lb dumbbells - AND THAT WAS AFTER A NIGHT OF DRINKING. IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME TEN WEEKS TO GET TO THE 110's NATURALLY DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. INSTEAD, I GOT THERE IN UNDER TEN DAYS, AND I DIDN'T EVEN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT.
And THAT'S why I'm juicing. So I can make progress that I don't want to wait 18 months to get with boring natural training.
That's why EVERYONE juices - to get to a certain physique and strength level faster than without juice.
And then when all is said and done, I'll settle at maybe 183, by marginally bringing my calories up.
Perfect for health, perfect for getting blowjobs, and just a nice everyday fitness look that I enjoy, and that women like of me.
Stop projecting your Weider Principle goals on me. I do not share them.
Anyway, do you want to place any financial wagers here, MCWAY?
Say - a video or me bench pressing 250x20 or 225x30 by September?
Then you can tell me how bad my training is.
I warm up with your workout. ;D
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By the way, allow me to add - DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ARE NEVER THE ANSWER!!!
Unless the question was "What did Matt C do this week?"
;D ;D :D
And I stuck my CONDOMLESS COCK in a 27-year-old hot blonde!
Maybe this won't be my last cycle after all. ;D
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By the way, allow me to add - DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ARE NEVER THE ANSWER!!!
Unless the question was "What did Matt C do this week?"
;D ;D :D
And I stuck my CONDOMLESS COCK in a 27-year-old hot blonde!
Maybe this won't be my last cycle after all. ;D
Did he have a tight ass? No homo
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Yeah...a human being wants to do steroids to feel good and enjoy the boost in training. WOW!!! Because that's NEVER happened before. ::)
Big difference between a boost in training and needing to "feel alive".....again YOUR WORDS!!
You will do neither because you're scared to open yourself up to judgment from the board, or post photos where you look marginally better than me physique-wise, or are marginally stronger than me. Thus nullifying your criticism of me.
Again, I does not need nor do I care about the "judgment from the board". Some have already judged YOU (not too favorably, I might add), DESPITE your posting pics and your claims.
The presence or absence of my pics changes nothing, regarding the subject at hand.
Why the FUCK WOULD I CHANGE MY DIET WHEN I AM IN LITERALLY PERFECT PHYSICAL HEALTH, AND MY DOCTOR WHO HAS 3,000 PATIENTS SAYS I HAVE THE BEST SYSTEMIC WELLNESS OF ANY OF THEM AT ANY AGE? And I'm 40!
Have you thought that maybe I eat the calorie deficit diet I do because it bodes much better for longevity and overall systemic health?
Yet, you ARE changing your diet....all because you have the sacred needle!
Your doctor gave you a clean bill of health. Cookie for you!! My doctor did the same for me.
I will NOT spend 18 months shitting and pissing 3x as much and reducing my health in the long-run. It's not an ACCIDENT that I choose to walk around at 170. And a 3x bodyweight deadlift is considered a world class lift. A 4x body weight deadlift is generally approaching overall world records.
There is literally NO WAY a person my size could post the strength results I have at my weight if he didn't know his way around the gym.
I'm not saying everything I do in the gym is perfect - I'm saying I know wtf I'm doing, and my workouts are perfectly fine.
The deficit for muscle building was always nutritional, but that was a conscious health choice I made for myself, having read about longevity studies when I was in university.
I have NO INTEREST in eating six meals a day and tracking my macros and all the other stuff for years on end, to make the margin and pathetic gains from natural bodybuilding.
Straw men, yet again? Where in the blazes do you get this 18 months gibberish?
I'm ALREADY overhead pressing 110-lb dumbbells - AND THAT WAS AFTER A NIGHT OF DRINKING. IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME TEN WEEKS TO GET TO THE 110's NATURALLY DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. INSTEAD, I GOT THERE IN UNDER TEN DAYS, AND I DIDN'T EVEN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT.
And THAT'S why I'm juicing. So I can make progress that I don't want to wait 18 months to get with boring natural training.
Enlighten the class as to what "boring natural training" is, and who exactly told you people who don't take anabolics should do such.
That's why EVERYONE juices - to get to a certain physique and strength level faster than without juice.
And then when all is said and done, I'll settle at maybe 183, by marginally bringing my calories up.
Perfect for health, perfect for getting blowjobs, and just a nice everyday fitness look that I enjoy, and that women like of me.
Stop projecting your Weider Principle goals on me. I do not share them.
Anyway, do you want to place any financial wagers here, MCWAY?
Say - a video or me bench pressing 250x20 or 225x30 by September?
Then you can tell me how bad my training is.
I warm up with your workout. ;D
You're broke enough, as it is!! What you're just now doing with the 110s.....Again, been there; done that!!
And apparently, you don't read that well. What part of "I scrapped the Weider Principles (or at least, the ones that were ineffective)" didn't you understand? At no time, did I tell you (or anybody else) to abide by such, especially if they didn't work.
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Did he have a tight ass? No homo
He walked right into that one. BTW, didn't he mention something earlier about a gay guy giving him compliments? I know it's June and all but......
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Did he have a tight ass? No homo
Kwon may have approved. ;D HER ass...but hard to say.
I need to start fucking again regularly. Eleven months was a long time without.
Once a month is fine. I'm not a horn dog, and don't want to constantly fret over STD's.
I need to get my French fluency back up to par. I need to get back on YouTube. And I need to get that second 250mg Sustanon needle up my ass. ;D
And - most importantly, I need to cook up my chicken and Basmati rice, which is now my rice of choice after taking your advice on the matter. :)
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Did he have a tight ass? No homo
I thought Brian Wood Healy Hankins was 45 years old?
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Incredible post!
Glad I can just scroll past your posts now and not look at them. It sucked seeing them, and even scanning my eyeballs past them before. Now I don't need to even do that - other than to see you are still so obsessed with me that you open my threads. I'm pretty sure this block feature won't even show me if you start a thread - I just see that notification when you post in threads [including all of mine - because you post in all of them, lol].
I do have one question for you: for all the attacks you post against me, how does it make you feel that I'm stronger than you, faster than you, have better teeth and hair than you do, am facially more handsome than you, would get 10x the engagements on Tinder if I needed to use it [which I don't, as my physique breaks the ice every time with women, and I've never needed to use dating sites], have a higher level of education than you do [a STEM degree is still a STEM degree - whether it's from Lakehead or not], and on top of all that - I'm not shackled to a 9-5 like you are to pay my bills?
And I don't need to hide behind a user name, because no one has any leverage against me anywhere, so I can live freely, without fear of speaking my mind?
I get that being the gutless coward you are, you won't post pictures or videos - so how about this:
Take a some pictures or videos, and send them to OneMoreRep. He will keep them private for you.
We can do a challenge - I'll beat you on any lift, on any Strongman event, or in any sprint 100-400m - up to a one-mile race.
Do it, dude. Either prove you are beyond my level as you say, or prove that you aren't [which begs the question: if I'm so pathetic, how pathetic are you, for not being as strong or fast?].
In reality, you'd need to be bench pressing 350+ and deadlifting 550+ to be ahead of me. And no one who deadlifts 550+ would feel the need to trash someone weaker than them. Anyone who has put the work into achieving that has the confidence knowing they are in the top 0.1% of male strength - and no one at that level calls out people weaker than them who are not attacking them [in my case - I went from not attacking you, to just straight up ignoring your posts, because they are literally delusional].
The only times I ever see strong men attack other strong men is when they are competitors of one another, usually around the same level, and one chose to throw the other some shade.
Examples: Eddie Hall trashing Thor after Thor beat his deadlift record, or Brian Shaw saying he had a hamstrings injury, and Big Z replying on his Facebook that lifting the 555-lb Atlas Stone would have been impossible with injured hamstrings, because it would be impossible. Brian Shaw then fired back, and attacked Big Z.
No one who is clearly stronger than a person like me who never attacks anyone on here will feel the need to trash that person. Let alone obsessively follow him around like you do to me.
If you actually are deadlifting 525-600+, you probably have a huge weight advantage on me anyway - but I'd still give you your props, start a thread letting the board know that you are stronger than me, and leave it be.
Of course, none of that is true - you don't beat me on any lift, and you know it. You most likely have a higher body fat percentage, and aren't better looking than me either. If you were, you'd be at peace knowing that, and just feel sorry for me - and you don't need to attack people you feel sorry for.
People like Flexacon and Dave D - these guys legitimately feel sorry for me for having such a bad couple of years, and it comes out with kindness and advice with them. They didn't need to attack me when I was down - but now I've had three months of legal gym time again, and I'm feeling great.
I also don't know how anyone could possibly be in the closet in 2022 - and I sure as hell don't know ANY straight man who would attack a man who he thinks is a closet gay man. That is what makes me think you are in the closet, and apparently too oblivious to realize that NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE GAY IN 2022.
Maybe you came from a judgmental family or something, and don't realize how accepting North America is of gays [a bit too accepting, IMO - given the nudity and kink at Pride festivals].
Furthermore, if I was a closet gay - that would just be something to feel sorry for someone for. I wouldn't attack a closet gay - I'd feel bad for him. Just like how OneMoreRep is openly gay and totally accepted, I'd feel sorry for any closet gay who doesn't believe his life would be better being out.
Just like how Vince Goodrum OG is gay, and everyone here is fine with it.
It just makes me assume you are in the closet, and completely ignorant to how accepted homosexuality is.
You think I would post things deemed racist, sexist, Islamophobic, etc, but that I'd be afraid to be openly gay? ??? Are you a total moron? So I'm willing to open on things WAY more taboo, but I would hide being gay for some reason? ???
Man, you must come from a very judgmental family to think gayness is something anyone would need to hide. What CENTURY is it where you're from?
If I was gay, I'd be out about it. And if any closet gay Getbigger posted a thread outing themselves tomorrow, the results would be CRICKETS.
NOBODY CARES. I ASSURE YOU.
But it is in your nature to be a gutless coward, hiding behind an anonymous screen name. I can see why you'd be jealous of me for just being public about everything without fear, because you are unable to do that.
If it makes you feel any better - it's a trade-off. I traded my twenties youth by saving all my money, never having a life, and getting to the point that I could live off my savings, precisely so that I wouldn't have to punch some asshole's clock, and hide my views.
Now I can say whatever I want, and no one has any leverage on me. No one can fire me, no one can pressure me - and everyone knows that.
And you know it too, apparently - and it seems to be that is what makes you so angry about me. I literally never said a negative word to you in my entire history here. You started it all - and continued even when I don't even see a single post you make.
But if you're truly better than me - do what I said: send your videos to OneMoreRep privately. And he can verify you are stronger than me.
Once that happens, I'll give you your props, and drop it. I'm not one to criticize anyone stronger than me.
Of course you won't do anything like that, because you aren't stronger than me at anything, and you know it. And it eats you up.
I'd be MORE than happy doing any challenge with you. Even if you deadlift 600 [which you don't], then congratulations - you have 75-lb on my max [and probably weigh 75-lb more].
I'd love to do any sort of lifting or physique challenge against you.
But if you're not going to accept this challenge, I'd appreciate it if you just shut it. I know my posts are long - and I should absolutely seek to change that. But you literally contribute nothing but negativity here.
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Incredible post!
Glad I can just scroll past your posts now and not look at them. It sucked seeing them, and even scanning my eyeballs past them before. Now I don't need to even do that - other than to see you are still so obsessed with me that you open my threads. I'm pretty sure this block feature won't even show me if you start a thread - I just see that notification when you post in threads [including all of mine - because you post in all of them, lol].
I do have one question for you: for all the attacks you post against me, how does it make you feel that I'm stronger than you, faster than you, have better teeth and hair than you do, am facially more handsome than you, would get 10x the engagements on Tinder if I needed to use it [which I don't, as my physique breaks the ice every time with women, and I've never needed to use dating sites], have a higher level of education than you do [a STEM degree is still a STEM degree - whether it's from Lakehead or not], and on top of all that - I'm not shackled to a 9-5 like you are to pay my bills?
And I don't need to hide behind a user name, because no one has any leverage against me anywhere, so I can live freely, without fear of speaking my mind?
I get that being the gutless coward you are, you won't post pictures or videos - so how about this:
Take a some pictures or videos, and send them to OneMoreRep. He will keep them private for you.
We can do a challenge - I'll beat you on any lift, on any Strongman event, or in any sprint 100-400m - up to a one-mile race.
Do it, dude. Either prove you are beyond my level as you say, or prove that you aren't [which begs the question: if I'm so pathetic, how pathetic are you, for not being as strong or fast?].
In reality, you'd need to be bench pressing 350+ and deadlifting 550+ to be ahead of me. And no one who deadlifts 550+ would feel the need to trash someone weaker than them. Anyone who has put the work into achieving that has the confidence knowing they are in the top 0.1% of male strength - and no one at that level calls out people weaker than them who are not attacking them [in my case - I went from not attacking you, to just straight up ignoring your posts, because they are literally delusional].
The only times I ever see strong men attack other strong men is when they are competitors of one another, usually around the same level, and one chose to throw the other some shade.
Examples: Eddie Hall trashing Thor after Thor beat his deadlift record, or Brian Shaw saying he had a hamstrings injury, and Big Z replying on his Facebook that lifting the 555-lb Atlas Stone would have been impossible with injured hamstrings, because it would be impossible. Brian Shaw then fired back, and attacked Big Z.
No one who is clearly stronger than a person like me who never attacks anyone on here will feel the need to trash that person. Let alone obsessively follow him around like you do to me.
If you actually are deadlifting 525-600+, you probably have a huge weight advantage on me anyway - but I'd still give you your props, start a thread letting the board know that you are stronger than me, and leave it be.
Of course, none of that is true - you don't beat me on any lift, and you know it. You most likely have a higher body fat percentage, and aren't better looking than me either. If you were, you'd be at peace knowing that, and just feel sorry for me - and you don't need to attack people you feel sorry for.
People like Flexacon and Dave D - these guys legitimately feel sorry for me for having such a bad couple of years, and it comes out with kindness and advice with them. They didn't need to attack me when I was down - but now I've had three months of legal gym time again, and I'm feeling great.
I also don't know how anyone could possibly be in the closet in 2022 - and I sure as hell don't know ANY straight man who would attack a man who he thinks is a closet gay man. That is what makes me think you are in the closet, and apparently too oblivious to realize that NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE GAY IN 2022.
Maybe you came from a judgmental family or something, and don't realize how accepting North America is of gays [a bit too accepting, IMO - given the nudity and kink at Pride festivals].
Furthermore, if I was a closet gay - that would just be something to feel sorry for someone for. I wouldn't attack a closet gay - I'd feel bad for him. Just like how OneMoreRep is openly gay and totally accepted, I'd feel sorry for any closet gay who doesn't believe his life would be better being out.
Just like how Vince Goodrum OG is gay, and everyone here is fine with it.
It just makes me assume you are in the closet, and completely ignorant to how accepted homosexuality is.
You think I would post things deemed racist, sexist, Islamophobic, etc, but that I'd be afraid to be openly gay? ??? Are you a total moron? So I'm willing to open on things WAY more taboo, but I would hide being gay for some reason? ???
Man, you must come from a very judgmental family to think gayness is something anyone would need to hide. What CENTURY is it where you're from?
If I was gay, I'd be out about it. And if any closet gay Getbigger posted a thread outing themselves tomorrow, the results would be CRICKETS.
NOBODY CARES. I ASSURE YOU.
But it is in your nature to be a gutless coward, hiding behind an anonymous screen name. I can see why you'd be jealous of me for just being public about everything without fear, because you are unable to do that.
If it makes you feel any better - it's a trade-off. I traded my twenties youth by saving all my money, never having a life, and getting to the point that I could live off my savings, precisely so that I wouldn't have to punch some asshole's clock, and hide my views.
Now I can say whatever I want, and no one has any leverage on me. No one can fire me, no one can pressure me - and everyone knows that.
And you know it too, apparently - and it seems to be that is what makes you so angry about me. I literally never said a negative word to you in my entire history here. You started it all - and continued even when I don't even see a single post you make.
But if you're truly better than me - do what I said: send your videos to OneMoreRep privately. And he can verify you are stronger than me.
Once that happens, I'll give you your props, and drop it. I'm not one to criticize anyone stronger than me.
Of course you won't do anything like that, because you aren't stronger than me at anything, and you know it. And it eats you up.
I'd be MORE than happy doing any challenge with you. Even if you deadlift 600 [which you don't], then congratulations - you have 75-lb on my max [and probably weigh 75-lb more].
I'd love to do any sort of lifting or physique challenge against you.
But if you're not going to accept this challenge, I'd appreciate it if you just shut it. I know my posts are long - and I should absolutely seek to change that. But you literally contribute nothing but negativity here.
Let’s be honest here, the reason you hide from my posts is BECAUSE I MADE YOU CRY.
A 40 YEAR OLD MANLET SITTING AT HOME CRYING OVER GETBIG POSTS.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
YOU WILL NEVER RECOVER.
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Another INCREDIBLE post!!
This isn't 2004. EVERYONE has a camera on their cellphone. It would take you all of an hour to prove you're stronger than me.
So send your lifting clips to OneMoreRep privately. Then he can independently confirm to the entire board that I out-lift you on EVERY lift, while you remain an anonymous gutless coward.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up, moron.
If I'm weak - what does it say about you being WEAKER than me? Dumb shit.
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Hey "Walter" - something I can do at 170 that you wouldn't be able to do at 250, HAHAHAHAHA.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/
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I’m a fan of MattC.
Thanks Hulkotron! ;D :)
And I am a fan of yours! I celebrate the entire Hulkotron post catalogue. ;D
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Hey "Walter" - something I can do at 170 that you wouldn't be able to do at 250, HAHAHAHAHA.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/
Thats pretty good
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Thats pretty good
Thanks, B. Hank. That's 320x6 [on a 50-lb bar], with my best ever being 315x8.
Your physique is beyond pretty good. I can't believe that delusional Walter trashes your build.
I'd love to see any proof that he looks better than you, lol.
But we all know that's never going to happen, because you look much better than him [and better than 99% of all men, for that matter].
When Walter would trash you, it bothered me as much as when he trashes me because I know he's just lying about being better than you, just as he is doing to me. He's totally full of it. Total liar, and he knows it. If he was telling the truth, he could easily upload pictures and videos to prove it.
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Hey "Walter" - something I can do at 170 that you wouldn't be able to do at 250, HAHAHAHAHA.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/
Great lifting Matt....big props.
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So I think I've been very clear with my challenge to you:
Privately send a video to OneMoreRep of any lift, which you can lift with any weight advantage on me up to 70-lb.
Let's round that up, and you can weigh-in at 260-lb.
From there, I'll beat you at any lift - or every lift. And then you can write a post about how you're not as strong as someone you consider weak and pathetic.
You have a camera on your cellphone. It will take under an hour to take a cellphone video, upload it somewhere private, and send it privately to OneMoreRep.
And that will validate your claims of being stronger than me.
Of course all it would actually do is prove that I am both stronger than you, and have a better physique than you do.
But enough with the trash talk - put your money where your mouth is or STFU.
If you are as strong as you claim, you would be THRILLED to do this, and settle your claims of being better than me - for the entire board to see.
And again - if not, just STFU. I know I'm stronger than you and have a better body than you [and am better looking, richer, better educated, etc], and frankly I couldn't give a shit. Why would I attack someone not on my level? I'm attacking you because you are trashing my proven strength claims which you know full well are better than anything you've ever done.
So go prove it, if you're stronger.
But hey - we all know you can't, because you're not stronger.
That brings us back to: STFU.
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Hey Matt I see you started your cycle you were considering.Best of luck I will be following along to see your results.
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Great lifting Matt....big props.
Thanks wes!
That's about where I max out, when I'm weighing 170. I find it hard to get more than a double body weight bench press. So at 170, it usually ends up being about the strength from that clip.
Of course, setting a 170-lb body weight max and a 1,500 calorie a day diet [with protein just under 100g] as a limit/constraint, it shouldn't be a shock I wasn't bench pressing four plates a side.
That's why I wanted to do this cycle - just to nail the nutrition and protein requirements to maximize my potential.
In hindsight, being such a hypochondriac caused me to set limits that limited my results that I know I would have crushed had I just stopped worrying so much.
When Mike Francois said eating so much caused him his colon problems...it really detered me from eating big.
I'll be eating big for this cycle though! :)
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Hey Matt I see you started your cycle you were considering.Best of luck I will be following along to see your results.
Thanks Cook!
I'm pretty excited about it, and I can already see the results :), and that's despite having a nutritionally lackluster first week, and even a night of drinking on Tuesday [stupid, stupid].
But I'll be eating much, now in Week 2.
Is Cook your name? Or are you a papered chef? ;D
My issue, without ANY DOUBT, is eating enough.
My freezer is literally filled with meat - so I have no excuse to not eat enough. I just need to get my toddler appetite up. >:( :-X :-\ ;D :)
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Thanks wes!
That's about where I max out, when I'm weighing 170. I find it hard to get more than a double body weight bench press. So at 170, it usually ends up being about the strength from that clip.
Of course, setting a 170-lb body weight and 1,500 calorie a day diet [with protein just under 100g] as a limit/constraint, it shouldn't be a shock I wasn't bench pressing four plates a side.
That's why I wanted to do this cycle - just to nail the nutrition and protein requirements to maximize my potential.
In hindsight, being such a hypochondriac caused me to set limits that I know I would have crushed had I just stopped worrying so much.
When Mike Francois said eating so much caused him his colon problems...it really detered me from eating big.
I'll be eating big for this cycle though! :)
You have to remember Matt reading about how pro bodybuilders eat prodigious amounts of food has nothing to do with the everyday lifter or bodybuilder.....sure they eat a lot but the guys like Francois, Ronnie, Ramy etc. are eating for a person that weighs around three bills or more.
Eating really excessive amounts of food means that you either shit/piss out the waste that your body never utilized because it truly didn`t need it, and/or you get fat.
You have to train hard enough for the body to require such amounts of food and most people don`t approach that level of training intensity plus those guys are literally on a veritable boatload of drugs that no sane person no matter what his goals may be would ever think of using.
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Thanks Cook!
I'm pretty excited about it, and I can already see the results :), and that's despite having a nutritionally lackluster first week, and even a night of drinking on Tuesday [stupid, stupid].
But I'll be eating much, now in Week 2.
Is Cook your name? Or are you a papered chef? ;D
My issue, without ANY DOUBT, is eating enough.
My freezer is literally filled with meat - so I have no excuse to not eat enough. I just need to get my toddler appetite up. >:( :-X :-\ ;D :)
Matt your stomach is like a balloon once you start eating more it starts to stretch and takes more to fill up same with when you eat less it shrinks. You will get more hungry as you start to eat more daily if you eat a ton of food today you will find you need more to fill up tomorrow. Your appetite should grow with you
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Thanks Cook!
I'm pretty excited about it, and I can already see the results :), and that's despite having a nutritionally lackluster first week, and even a night of drinking on Tuesday [stupid, stupid].
But I'll be eating much, now in Week 2.
Is Cook your name? Or are you a papered chef? ;D
My issue, without ANY DOUBT, is eating enough.
My freezer is literally filled with meat - so I have no excuse to not eat enough. I just need to get my toddler appetite up. >:( :-X :-\ ;D :)
yeah Cook is my name.Maybe I should have put more thought into my username and come up with some kickass handle.Oh well and I agree eating enough if you are eating the right things can become a chore in itself.Get in the daily habit and don’t over think everything and you’ll be ok.Good luck
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You have to remember Matt reading about how pro bodybuilders eat prodigious amounts of food has nothing to do with the everyday lifter or bodybuilder.....sure they eat a lot but the guys like Francois, Ronnie, Ramy etc. are eating for a person that weighs around three bills or more.
Eating really excessive amounts of food means that you either shit/piss out the waste that your body never utilized because it truly didn`t need it, and/or you get fat.
You have to train hard enough for the body to require such amounts of food and most people don`t approach that level of training intensity plus those guys are literally on a veritable boatload of drugs that no sane person no matter what his goals may be would ever think of using.
And that's the thing - seeing massive 300-lb'ers get health problems scared me away from every modest natural bodybuilding.
But as I said - I'm a hypochondriac, so that's how it played out.
But I literally went through just about every medical test possible, and the results were not just good - but basically perfect.
And then a giant weight was lifted, and that's when I said - this time, I WILL do a proper cycle, with the PED's, high calories, and everything else.
I'm ALL IN this time - for real.
Thanks for the advice, Tim - I've loved this first week so far, and I look forward to the next 15. :) ;D
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Matt your stomach is like a balloon once you start eating more it starts to stretch and takes more to fill up same with when you eat less it shrinks. You will get more hungry as you start to eat more daily if you eat a ton of food today you will find you need more to fill up tomorrow. Your appetite should grow with you
Do you think I could double my calories from 1,100 to 2,200 within one week from today, and be comfortable there, without feeling as bloated a full as I was this week when trying to do that, and get 5L of water in too at the time [which I intend to drop to 3L].
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yeah Cook is my name.Maybe I should have put more thought into my username and come up with some kickass handle.Oh well and I agree eating enough if you are eating the right things can become a chore in itself.Get in the daily habit and don’t over think everything and you’ll be ok.Good luck
Do you have any tips and tricks to add an extra 1,000 daily calories, comfortably, Mr. Cook?
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Do you have any tips and tricks to add an extra 1,000 daily calories, comfortably, Mr. Cook?
you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.
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you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.
I`ve gone through a ton of canned tuna, bought cases of it at a time........ate it straight out da` can! ! LOL :D
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High calorie shake:
3 raw eggs 70x3=210
4 tbls heavy cream 50x4=200
2 tbls olive oil 120x2=240
2 tbls chocolate syrup 200
1/4 cup oatmeal ?
Ice cubes
Blend
Around 1000 cals
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you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.
w/ out the added mercury as well, good choice...
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High calorie shake:
3 raw eggs
4 tbls heavy cream
2 tbls olive oil
2 tbls chocolate syrup
1/4 cup oatmeal
Ice cubes
Blend
After I saw the movie Rocky, I drank a raw egg. I didn't like eggs for years after that.
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Hey "Walter" - something I can do at 170 that you wouldn't be able to do at 250, HAHAHAHAHA.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/
Start the progress thread.....
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I`ve gone through a ton of canned tuna, bought cases of it at a time........ate it straight out da` can! ! LOL :D
Haha I remember eating a lot of tuna for a few months then putting chunk light in water and just drinking it cause I was sick of tuna, did that a few times than puked and stayed away from tune for many many years. Just recently started eating tuna sandwiches again and they are delicious.
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Haha I remember eating a lot of tuna for a few months then putting chunk light in water and just drinking it cause I was sick of tuna, did that a few times than puked and stayed away from tune for many many years. Just recently started eating tuna sandwiches again and they are delicious.
I hear ya`Rob.....after years of eating it, the stuff started to get disgusting so I would put a forkful of it in my mouth and quickly wash it down with water, just like taking a pill.
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So I think I've been very clear with my challenge to you:
Privately send a video to OneMoreRep of any lift, which you can lift with any weight advantage on me up to 70-lb.
Let's round that up, and you can weigh-in at 260-lb.
From there, I'll beat you at any lift - or every lift. And then you can write a post about how you're not as strong as someone you consider weak and pathetic.
You have a camera on your cellphone. It will take under an hour to take a cellphone video, upload it somewhere private, and send it privately to OneMoreRep.
And that will validate your claims of being stronger than me.
Of course all it would actually do is prove that I am both stronger than you, and have a better physique than you do.
But enough with the trash talk - put your money where your mouth is or STFU.
If you are as strong as you claim, you would be THRILLED to do this, and settle your claims of being better than me - for the entire board to see.
And again - if not, just STFU. I know I'm stronger than you and have a better body than you [and am better looking, richer, better educated, etc], and frankly I couldn't give a shit. Why would I attack someone not on my level? I'm attacking you because you are trashing my proven strength claims which you know full well are better than anything you've ever done.
So go prove it, if you're stronger.
But hey - we all know you can't, because you're not stronger.
That brings us back to: STFU.
Little Matthew…being able to make a point in as few words as possible is a sign of superior intellect.
Nothing you do, or about you, is impressive. You’re a delusional creepy little inferior manlet.
I’m out of the country right now, but I will send videos to Chaos later today/tonight.
I will start with a video of me sprinting. So you claim you’re faster than me, go ahead and post up a 40 yard sprint with a time included.
And get off the fucking internet and go spend some time raising your illegitimate brood of feral kids.
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Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.
Think about that before you make any decision.
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Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.
Think about that before you make any decision.
Hahahha that was good Dave.
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Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.
Think about that before you make any decision.
I like this guy’s posts.
Very subtle but always on point.
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Matt lost his virginity to anadrol awhile back.
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Matt lost his virginity to anadrol awhile back.
Its comical watching OAK destroy the autistic manlet on the COVID-19 threads.
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Matt,
For Christ's sake, think less about the AAS and more about Buspar or something else to calm your nerves. I pretty much hated Sarcasm/Mirza, too. He was a royal asshole with a sophomoric sense of humor and his ugly fat ass never backed up a single claim. Small wonder he was practically butt pirate mates with Abeles the borderline pedophile (ask the mods; I wasn't privy the the nail in the coffin, but that creepy arrogant fuck spent *years* talking about sixteen or younger).
That said, to quote Quakerdolts, you're melting down here, and we're talking full containment breach! You're arguing with people now about your hair, teeth and good looks?!
Take a break from here for awhile, my man. Keep upping the calories incremental like and forget about chasing strength PRs just so you can say "I did seated presses with the 110s." The strength will come easily, even with stricter form. Set a new baseline with much higher, stricter reps, upwards of 20, and add a bit of weight every session until you're down to 6-8.
P.S. -- As-is, I cringed watching your machine fly video. Pure ego training. Your chest was collapsing and your shoulders came forward from the very first rep, dude! Cut that 200 to 100, get a full stretch on every rep and hold it for a count of five at the bottom, without the weight touching the stack. FEEL that shit stretching your pecs.
Then, initiate each rep with controlled power, keeping your chest high as can be, and pause in the fully contracted position for a two second count, squeezing the life out of your pecs. Rinse and repeat until utter failure, including partials. NO leaning forward to complete a rep.
I doubt you'd need a second set of the same, nor do I think it'd be productive -- not after the other movements you'd probably do before this :). Flat bench, incline, and maybe some machine press, likely Hammer? (I can imagine you loading up that Hammer Iso-Incline heavier than you should. Don't lie now ;).)
If you give this your all, you'll do well, mate. Just stick to a plan, stop obsessing over numbers, and as I said, if it takes a break from Getbig to put that Autistic brain on track, do that. You're too easily distracted and defensive from the input you get here, even though most of it is constructive. Train, enjoy the gains and come back when you're more secure in what you're doing.
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Thanks wes!
That's about where I max out, when I'm weighing 170. I find it hard to get more than a double body weight bench press. So at 170, it usually ends up being about the strength from that clip.
Of course, setting a 170-lb body weight max and a 1,500 calorie a day diet [with protein just under 100g] as a limit/constraint, it shouldn't be a shock I wasn't bench pressing four plates a side.
That's why I wanted to do this cycle - just to nail the nutrition and protein requirements to maximize my potential.
In hindsight, being such a hypochondriac caused me to set limits that limited my results that I know I would have crushed had I just stopped worrying so much.
When Mike Francois said eating so much caused him his colon problems...it really detered me from eating big.
I'll be eating big for this cycle though! :)
Mike Francois was one of my favorite bodybuilders back in the day. I patterned my diet somewhat after his. I read how he struggled as a mediocre light-heavyweight, until he got with a trainer named Greg Greenzalis (who was a big John Parillo disciple). For 18 months, he put Francois on a diet, ultimately pushing 10,000 calories. He bulked up to 265 lbs and his competitive weight went from 185 to 230.
He went from light-heavyweight to a Heavyweight (Super-Heavyweight, by today's standards). He went on to win MuscleMania, the NPC Nationals, Night of Champions, and the Arnold Classic.
As for colitis, there was a bodybuilder against whom Francois competed at the 1991 Southern States (Nick Silette) who also had colitis but was still competing. He won the MuscleMania show in Atlanta, the same year Francois won it in Chicago. So, that may have been an already-existing condition, which he aggravated. Actually, I have an issue of MuscleMag International with an interview with Francois after his surgery. It's buried in my garage; so, it would take a while to find it.
ESPN had a poll where fans could vote for the best of the MuscleMania champions, which Francois won handily.
You have to remember Matt reading about how pro bodybuilders eat prodigious amounts of food has nothing to do with the everyday lifter or bodybuilder.....sure they eat a lot but the guys like Francois, Ronnie, Ramy etc. are eating for a person that weighs around three bills or more.
But, eating prodigious amounts of food is how they got to be three bills in the first place.
Eating really excessive amounts of food means that you either shit/piss out the waste that your body never utilized because it truly didn`t need it, and/or you get fat.
You have to train hard enough for the body to require such amounts of food and most people don`t approach that level of training intensity plus those guys are literally on a veritable boatload of drugs that no sane person no matter what his goals may be would ever think of using.
That's more about gradually increasing the calories, not going from 2500 to 5000, but by going up 300-500 calories per day for a month or two.
When the eating became too cumbersome, I simply got the blender, broke out the eggs and milk, and drank extra calories.
There were days where I literally only had one solid meal per day, but, that was due to being too busy in school.
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Mike Francois was one of my favorite bodybuilders back in the day. I patterned my diet somewhat after his. I read how he struggled as a mediocre light-heavyweight, until he got with a trainer named Greg Greenzalis (who was a big John Parillo disciple). For 18 months, he put Francois on a diet, ultimately pushing 10,000 calories. He bulked up to 265 lbs and his competitive weight went from 185 to 230.
He went from light-heavyweight to a Heavyweight (Super-Heavyweight, by today's standards). He went on to win MuscleMania, the NPC Nationals, Night of Champions, and the Arnold Classic.
As for colitis, there was a bodybuilder against whom Francois competed at the 1991 Southern States (Nick Silette) who also had colitis but was still competing. He won the MuscleMania show in Atlanta, the same year Francois won it in Chicago. So, that may have been an already-existing condition, which he aggravated. Actually, I have an issue of MuscleMag International with an interview with Francois after his surgery. It's buried in my garage; so, it would take a while to find it.
ESPN had a poll where fans could vote for the best of the MuscleMania champions, which Francois won handily.
But, eating prodigious amounts of food is how they got to be three bills in the first place.
That's more about gradually increasing the calories, not going from 2500 to 5000, but by going up 300-500 calories per day for a month or two.
When the eating became too cumbersome, I simply got the blender, broke out the eggs and milk, and drank extra calories.
There were days where I literally only had one solid meal per day, but, that was due to being too busy in school.
Good post.
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Matt,
For Christ's sake, think less about the AAS and more about Buspar or something else to calm your nerves. I pretty much hated Sarcasm/Mirza, too. He was a royal asshole with a sophomoric sense of humor and his ugly fat ass never backed up a single claim. Small wonder he was practically butt pirate mates with Abeles the borderline pedophile (ask the mods; I wasn't privy the the nail in the coffin, but that creepy arrogant fuck spent *years* talking about sixteen or younger).
That said, to quote Quakerdolts, you're melting down here, and we're talking full containment breach! You're arguing with people now about your hair, teeth and good looks?!
Take a break from here for awhile, my man. Keep upping the calories incremental like and forget about chasing strength PRs just so you can say "I did seated presses with the 110s." The strength will come easily, even with stricter form. Set a new baseline with much higher, stricter reps, upwards of 20, and add a bit of weight every session until you're down to 6-8.
P.S. -- As-is, I cringed watching your machine fly video. Pure ego training. Your chest was collapsing and your shoulders came forward from the very first rep, dude! Cut that 200 to 100, get a full stretch on every rep and hold it for a count of five at the bottom, without the weight touching the stack. FEEL that shit stretching your pecs.
Then, initiate each rep with controlled power, keeping your chest high as can be, and pause in the fully contracted position for a two second count, squeezing the life out of your pecs. Rinse and repeat until utter failure, including partials. NO leaning forward to complete a rep.
I doubt you'd need a second set of the same, nor do I think it'd be productive -- not after the other movements you'd probably do before this :). Flat bench, incline, and maybe some machine press, likely Hammer? (I can imagine you loading up that Hammer Iso-Incline heavier than you should. Don't lie now ;).)
If you give this your all, you'll do well, mate. Just stick to a plan, stop obsessing over numbers, and as I said, if it takes a break from Getbig to put that Autistic brain on track, do that. You're too easily distracted and defensive from the input you get here, even though most of it is constructive. Train, enjoy the gains and come back when you're more secure in what you're doing.
Solid training advice.
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I still haven't gotten my calories to 1,250 daily - let alone 2,500.
I'll be done with this cycle by Independence Day unless I hit at least 2K daily.
I'm not wasting going on a stack, if I'm not maximizing it.
I'm 187-lb here. But my appetite is an absolute joke. Without any question, the average teenage girl eats more.
It does make it all the more impressive that I'm much stronger than Walter Sobchak given how little I eat.
Imagine if I even at 2,500 calories daily? I'd probably literally double his total.
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A few months back i was counting everything and i agree it's a chore. All the different combos of food and amounts, sometimes i was on the can 5 times a day with an arsehole that felt like i was wiping with sandpaper.
I defintely don't look like how I'd like because i don't eat "properly" but atleast i haven't got the constant farts, churning and needing so much time heading to the bog.
I still haven't gotten my calories to 1,250 daily - let alone 2,500.
I'll be done with this cycle by Independence Day unless I hit at least 2K daily.
I'm not wasting going on a stack, if I'm not maximizing it.
I'm 187-lb here. But my appetite is an absolute joke. Without any question, the average teenage girl eats more.
It does make it all the more impressive that I'm much stronger than Walter Sobchak given how little I eat.
Imagine if I even at 2,500 calories daily? I'd probably literally double his total.
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A few months back i was counting everything and i agree it's a chore. All the different combos of food and amounts, sometimes i was on the can 5 times a day with an arsehole that felt like i was wiping with sandpaper.
I defintely don't look like how I'd like because i don't eat "properly" but atleast i haven't got the constant farts, churning and needing so much time heading to the bog.
Counting your calories can be a chore, which is why guys get "lazy" and eat the same foods every day.
Back in school, I knew I was getting at least 3300 calories per day, because I consume the same four things routinely
"Poor Man's Met-Rx" - 6 eggs and 2 cups of nonfat milk: 520 calories, 52 grams protein.
Mega Mass 2000 - 10 oz powder in 2 cups of water. 1100 calories, 55 grams protein.
Two of each yielded at least 3350 calories and 220 grams of protein, depending on the size of the eggs and the flavor of Mega Mass.
The remaining calories came from regular (solid) food.
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Counting your calories can be a chore, which is why guys get "lazy" and eat the same foods every day.
Back in school, I knew I was getting at least 3300 calories per day, because I consume the same four things routinely
"Poor Man's Met-Rx" - 6 eggs and 2 cups of nonfat milk: 520 calories, 52 grams protein.
Mega Mass 2000 - 10 oz powder in 2 cups of water. 1100 calories, 55 grams protein.
Two of each yielded at least 3350 calories and 220 grams of protein, depending on the size of the eggs and the flavor of Mega Mass.
The remaining calories came from regular (solid) food.
Mcway you do realize what you did to get big in college might not work for you today 20 years later your body is not going to respond the same way. I notice you keep referencing your gains from college and how easy it was shit is different after 40
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Counting your calories can be a chore, which is why guys get "lazy" and eat the same foods every day.
Back in school, I knew I was getting at least 3300 calories per day, because I consume the same four things routinely
"Poor Man's Met-Rx" - 6 eggs and 2 cups of nonfat milk: 520 calories, 52 grams protein.
Mega Mass 2000 - 10 oz powder in 2 cups of water. 1100 calories, 55 grams protein.
Two of each yielded at least 3350 calories and 220 grams of protein, depending on the size of the eggs and the flavor of Mega Mass.
The remaining calories came from regular (solid) food.
Can raw eggs be eaten without issue?
If yes, I can add those.
By the way, MCWAY - my workouts could not possibly be going better so far. COULD NOT. And that's me being relatively lazy with calories still.
I could eat far more. Hence why I haven't even taken my second 250mg Sustanon shot yet.
I'm just up marginally due to the bit of Anadrol I've added.
It's literally a joke to me when people act like training means jack when it comes to building muscle. Look - I know training matters.
I train hard. You train hard. wes trains hard. The_Coach_is_Back_! trains hard. There are lots of hard trainers here.
Training matters.
But literally off 25mg of Anadrol daily so far, I've had consistently better workouts, from workout to workout, and I don't feel my age [40] WHATSOEVER.
Not one little bit.
This cycle has, this far, done exactly what I hoped for it to do - give me something to be excited about day after day, making 3x the progress I would make otherwise.
MCWAY - I did 315 for TWELVE REPS TODAY. I've NEVER done that without gear before.
So don't DARE tell me that gear isn't a massive variable. It's a MASSIVE VARIABLE.
It matters a lot.
Right now, I'm going to eat two beef patties [16g protein each], and my last scoop of protein in a protein shake, with milk and orange juice.
Now stop projecting your fucking goals on me! I don't want to be a "natural bodybuilder", which has to be the most boring, useless, snail's pace endeavour possible. You could literally put me in a lab and have me do EVERYTHING right, and I already know my progress would be jack shit.
The goal is to have a BIG BOOST for the summer only. To enjoy it while it lasts, then settle around 180 at 15% body fat after. THAT'S IT.
Then I can make weight for the lightweight Strongman season starting next January.
I told you - I don't want to eat and drink 3x as much, and naturally piss and shit 3x as much, to be a natural bodybuilder.
I prefer eating like a bird and training hard, and not having the 24/7 challenge that bodybuilding represents.
I can tell you, I literally can't stand eating. I hate it. And you're suggesting I spend the next year or two to make gains I'll make off one 16-week cycle? WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT?
And the pumps would still suck naturally.
I do need to eat though.
If I can get in 200g protein and 200g carbohydrates by my workout tomorrow, I should post some improvements to my back shot.
The back shot will be my gold standard, which will show my improvements. It's my only good shot.
If I post no progress from my last back by tomorrow, assume I did not eat enough tonight. If I do eat enough, I will have a good shot.
It's back day tomorrow.
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Mcway you do realize what you did to get big in college might not work for you today 20 years later your body is not going to respond the same way. I notice you keep referencing your gains from college and how easy it was shit is different after 40
MCWAY is 5'11" and 225 at 25% body fat.
He'd be 170-lb in shape, but even that's a misnomer - as natural cutting is very catabolic, and he'd lose a lot of his muscle if he tried to get cut.
He won't post a picture, because he knows my rear double biceps at 187 looks better than his, even though he is 40-lb heavier than me.
I'm just glad I've been following your advice, B. Hank - and actually got on this stack. I'm not deep into it yet, but I can always extend it.
If I can eat enough, this is going to be a damn good cycle.
No chance I could do any of this naturally. And I've spent years naturally training.
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Can raw eggs be eaten without issue?
Raw eggs have generally been considered safe to eat here in the UK for a while now. Can't imagine it's any different in Canada. If you're super worried go with the better supermarket eggs.
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Raw eggs have generally been considered safe to eat here in the UK for a while now. Can't imagine it's any different in Canada. If you're super worried go with the better supermarket eggs.
Thanks Flexacon.
I'm sad that I've suppressed my appetite so long that eating is the hard part.
For most people, I think training is the issue. Most people eat too much.
I have zero interest in eating the two beef patties I'm cooking up now. Ditto for the protein shake I'm about to make. The potatoes I'm about to eat, I somewhat look forward to.
I don't want to waste a cycle.
Things are still going well, despite my not eating very much.
Just as one example - by my next delta workout, I'll probably do four sets of seated dumbbell presses. I think I'm going to do 75's for sets #2-4, after a warm-up with 25's or something.
If I had to predict, I'll get 15+ reps for each set. That's notably over my normal level. I'd probably ordinarily be doing that with 60's or 65's.
So what else possibly explains that other than the Anadrol?
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I still haven't gotten my calories to 1,250 daily
Something is not right here. The only time I have ever had that little appetite is when I'm sick. During the very worst day of the flu or Covid, I just drank orange juice and took vitamins every few hours. A day or two later I was eating around 1500 calories. A week later around 3000. With the amount you train, and the weighs you lift your body would be in a sizable calorie deficit at 1250. No wonder your mental health and mood is all out of wack. Your hormone levels I can only imagine. Many studies show that the prolonged semi-starvation caused by low calories can lead to severe depression, emotional distress, and irritability. Your exact symptoms at the moment.
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Mcway you do realize what you did to get big in college might not work for you today 20 years later your body is not going to respond the same way. I notice you keep referencing your gains from college and how easy it was shit is different after 40
I know that. That diet was from over 25 years ago, when I was also far more active outside the gym than I am now. I simply used it as an example of how I got my calories into the old tummy, back in the day.
One advantage of getting older is that I don't have to eat nearly as much to maintain my current size or to get larger. Other Getbig brethren have experienced the same thing, as do other bodybuilders.
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Can raw eggs be eaten without issue?
If yes, I can add those
I don't see an issue. I've done it for decades and the only time I've seen sick is when I didn't wash out my blender properly. Now, I bleach it every time.
By the way, MCWAY - my workouts could not possibly be going better so far. COULD NOT. And that's me being relatively lazy with calories still.
I could eat far more. Hence why I haven't even taken my second 250mg Sustanon shot yet.
I'm just up marginally due to the bit of Anadrol I've added.
It's literally a joke to me when people act like training means jack when it comes to building muscle. Look - I know training matters.
I train hard. You train hard. wes trains hard. The_Coach_is_Back_! trains hard. There are lots of hard trainers here.
Training matters.
But literally off 25mg of Anadrol daily so far, I've had consistently better workouts, from workout to workout, and I don't feel my age [40] WHATSOEVER.
Not one little bit.
This cycle has, this far, done exactly what I hoped for it to do - give me something to be excited about day after day, making 3x the progress I would make otherwise.
MCWAY - I did 315 for TWELVE REPS TODAY. I've NEVER done that without gear before.
So don't DARE tell me that gear isn't a massive variable. It's a MASSIVE VARIABLE.
It matters a lot.
Right now, I'm going to eat two beef patties [16g protein each], and my last scoop of protein in a protein shake, with milk and orange juice.
Now stop projecting your fucking goals on me! I don't want to be a "natural bodybuilder", which has to be the most boring, useless, snail's pace endeavour possible. You could literally put me in a lab and have me do EVERYTHING right, and I already know my progress would be jack shit.
The goal is to have a BIG BOOST for the summer only. To enjoy it while it lasts, then settle around 180 at 15% body fat after. THAT'S IT.
Then I can make weight for the lightweight Strongman season starting next January.
I told you - I don't want to eat and drink 3x as much, and naturally piss and shit 3x as much, to be a natural bodybuilder.
I prefer eating like a bird and training hard, and not having the 24/7 challenge that bodybuilding represents.
I can tell you, I literally can't stand eating. I hate it. And you're suggesting I spend the next year or two to make gains I'll make off one 16-week cycle? WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT?
And the pumps would still suck naturally.
I do need to eat though.
If I can get in 200g protein and 200g carbohydrates by my workout tomorrow, I should post some improvements to my back shot.
The back shot will be my gold standard, which will show my improvements. It's my only good shot.
If I post no progress from my last back by tomorrow, assume I did not eat enough tonight. If I do eat enough, I will have a good shot.
It's back day tomorrow.
Once again, you don't read very well. I never told you to be a "natural bodybuilder", in the first place. And it was YOU who earlier complained about recovery ability. That's why I recommended you back off and train whole body for a while.....UNTIL YOU RECUPERATE and UNTIL you get your beloved steroid stack.
And what exactly is "boring" about natural bodybuilding again? Do the weights sing and dance for you, when you're on steroids or something?
For the umpteenth time, you keep propping up this straw man that training without steroids will make the gains you seek take 18 months. Who told you that foolishness?
And speaking of foolishness, you continue to spout such with this asinine notion that eating high without steroids is somehow a health risk but eating high calories WITH STEROIDS is not. And, if you're eating higher calories, it's more trips to the bathroom.....WHETHER YOU USE STEROIDS OR NOT!! What part of that escapes your grey matter?
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I know that. That diet was from over 25 years ago, when I was also far more active outside the gym than I am now. I simply used it as an example of how I got my calories into the old tummy, back in the day.
One advantage of getting older is that I don't have to eat nearly as much to maintain my current size or to get larger. Other Getbig brethren have experienced the same thing, as do other bodybuilders.
I'm compromising my health for 16 weeks, then back to eating like a bird. I utterly hate this shit. No chance I could tolerate this shit for months and months on end.
Changing my training is not the issue. Eating 1,000 calories a day is. But I don't want to change that long-term.
I will go to 1,300 in the long-term.
I don't have the patience for your useless natural training, and I look better than you anyway, so who are you to judge.
Do you look better than this?:
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MCWAY is 5'11" and 225 at 25% body fat.
He'd be 170-lb in shape, but even that's a misnomer - as natural cutting is very catabolic, and he'd lose a lot of his muscle if he tried to get cut.
He won't post a picture, because he knows my rear double biceps at 187 looks better than his, even though he is 40-lb heavier than me.
I'm just glad I've been following your advice, B. Hank - and actually got on this stack. I'm not deep into it yet, but I can always extend it.
If I can eat enough, this is going to be a damn good cycle.
No chance I could do any of this naturally. And I've spent years naturally training.
Since I'm not competing against anyone, let alone you, I really don't care what your rear-double biceps looks like.
You're the one with the inferiority complex and something to prove to everybody else.
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I'm compromising my health for 16 weeks, then back to eating like a bird. I utterly hate this shit. No chance I could tolerate this shit for months and months on end.
Changing my training is not the issue. Eating 1,000 calories a day is. But I don't want to change that long-term.
I will go to 1,300 in the long-term.
I don't have the patience for your useless natural training, and I look better than you anyway, so who are you to judge.
Do you look better than this?:
You're doing something you hate (risking your health, in the process) for 3-4 months. WHY? Again, it's your inferiority complex.
You're bragging about looking better than I do, while you need anabolics to be a WHOPPING 185 lbs....which will be gone once your experiment ends (in less than two weeks, if you don't get to 2500 calories per day....by your own words), largely because you're too lazy to keep your diet on point.
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Since I'm not competing against anyone, let alone you, I really don't care what your rear-double biceps looks like.
You're the one with the inferiority complex and something to prove to everybody else.
Do you grasp that I miss my ex-girlfriend, whose clit smells like fish?
Do you understand that her vagina was hairy, and apparently she didn't wash it?
It was amazing.
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You're doing something you hate (risking your health, in the process) for 3-4 months. WHY? Again, it's your inferiority complex.
You don't seem to grasp how fishy my ex-girlfriend's clit smelled.
I am risking my health after getting basically every possible health test Canada will allow without me going on massively long wait lists, for tests which appear to be fundamentally unnecessary, given my results thus far.
I had all possible blood and urine testing done, and a heart ultrasound and lower digestive tract ultrasound. I will probably go on a Holter Heart Monitor during the heaviest part of my cycle, but that's yet to be seen.
My doctor HAS FULLY GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO DO THIS.
Short of medically authorizing it - he is FULLY on board.
So I don't consider this to be a massive health risk.
A health risk, yes. A big one? Not hardly.
You're bragging about looking better than I do, while you need anabolics to be a WHOPPING 185 lbs....which will be gone once your experiment ends (in less than two weeks, if you don't get to 2500 calories per day....by your own words), largely because you're too lazy to keep your diet on point.
I've been 200-lb naturally, and pretty lean:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371624;image)
My waste tends to get wide at about 185-lb. I've actually been 213-lb, but I was just fat at that weight.
You make it sound like my weight is somehow unusual or particularly low for a natural.
It's not. It's quite normal. Natural training sucks!
Just from raising my calories slightly, I'd probably walk around at 190 at 5'9", and let's be real here - there are no masses of men who walk around significantly larger than that naturally who aren't fat.
Layne Norton was 190-lb in contest shape at 5'10.5". He was maybe 215-lb, relatively lean, supposedly naturally, but even then, people doubted his natural status:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1372498;image)
Scott Herman was 170-lb at 5'9.5", pretty lean:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNcdI5DUEAAY37p.jpg)
There is still some debate if Scott is natural, though most seem to think he is natural:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/ie74lp/scott_herman_latest_photo/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/4cpg8w/scott_herman/
Scott is roughly my size:
Scott just has vastly superior genetics for muscle shape, and specifically for chest.
Here's a photo of Arnold look utterly small, likely off-cycle:
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d94573a5d8b2a353384d1c20530e4b5)
The only thing bodybuilders really have is a natural shape for muscles, and longer muscle bellies, greater muscle fiber density, etc. For example, biceps that attach close to the elbow joint. They'd still be small off steroids.
The size comes from steroids - it's the shape that make pros advantaged.
I don't even think there is a consensus as to who the biggest true natural is. Even Doug Miller's moniker is "Drug Miller":
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50f8cc5de4b0a0c4aab51365/1415176124420-EEV0D0YJVG7403K1T7VD/Screen+Shot+2014-11-05+at+3.27.31+AM.png)
The large natural men you speak of simply do not exist.
185 is about where my waist starts getting wide.
There's nothing unusually light about my weight.
Universally, most men are not particularly heavier than me - just taller or fatter.
I think you have an absurd view of the capability of the human body. Men without steroids are basically all small or fat.
As of this moment, I am 190-lb. That means I am already up SEVEN POUNDS for this cycle, and I am only two weeks in so far, and one 250mg Sustanon shot in, when I should be up 4x such shots. I've been using under 25mg of Anadrol a day.
There's no reason why I can't get to 210-lb, in my best shape for 210, if I can eat enough.
If you think it's common or normal for anyone to be 200-lb and relatively lean at 5'9" from a lowly cycle, that's just silly.
When all is said and done, I intend to drop down to 185-lb clean, and settle around there.
We all need to decide what weight we want to be in the LONG-TERM, right?
I simply do not want to increase my calories much. For starters because caloric restriction [deprivation, essentially, within reason = fasting, for example] is EXTREMELY healthy.
I don't want the extra shitting and pissing and farting.
It's a damn shame that natural bodybuilding sucks so bad.
If you want to know my reason for the cycle - it's basically the same reason why ANYONE does a cycle ever: I WANT A CHEAT CODE.
I don't WANT to put in the effort - SPECIFICALLY FROM EATING - to gain the mass and leanness that I will from just popping pills and sticking needles in my ass.
What part of that is hard for you to understand?
What's so incredible about steroids is that I'm trying LESS HARD than I was, say, in December - and the results are better!
Again, my intention is to do 75-lb dumbbells for seated dumbbell presses for my next shoulders workout for 15 reps for three sets on Thursday.
Ordinarily, I'd probably get 12, 10, and 9 reps.
Instead, I bet I'll get three sets of 15.
No doubt I would have improved slightly without the Anadrol, but I'd be unlikely to hit 15 reps for three sets. I may fail to hit that, but I suspect I'll be close.
What's the max someone can hope to gain on a decent cycle?
Maybe 20-30 pounds?
That's exactly where I'll land, assuming I eat enough.
So I see no issues here at all - my only goal is to maximize my cycle, which I still intend to do.
I am currently 190-lb as of right now [187-lb in these shots]:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1375714;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1376279;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1375720;image)
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A few months back i was counting everything and i agree it's a chore. All the different combos of food and amounts, sometimes i was on the can 5 times a day with an arsehole that felt like i was wiping with sandpaper.
I defintely don't look like how I'd like because i don't eat "properly" but atleast i haven't got the constant farts, churning and needing so much time heading to the bog.
Which is EXACTLY why I train for strength rather than muscle mass!!!
You'll improve from workout to workout training for strength. To gain muscle mass requires too much focus on nutrition...it's sort of a 24/7 thing.
I used to think it all boiled down to training - but no.
That's why I just want to do a quick on / quick off, then go back to settle around 185, which is a very healthy, natural body weight to be, that still allows me to be fit for everyday reasons, and pretty strong, without fretting over "if it fits your macros" [oh brother] and the "Weider Instinctual Principle" ::), etc.
I just want to train hard and eat when I'm hungry.
My results are not what I'd like them to be, but bodybuilding is somewhat of a con no matter how you cut it - bodybuilding is basically a fraud because even when you are in shape, you don't look like you do after getting a pump.
I look ok enough right now to walk on a public pool deck and look good - and THAT is the beauty of steroids, to me [not being flat all the time. But I will look radically better with a pump. Way better than I do right now.
And I hate that temporary nature of bodybuilding.
Then add the fact that pros have 200 photos taken at a photoshoot, under 5% of which are printed in magazines, AND they are photo retouched, etc.
It's all a fucking fraud.
That's why bodybuilding basically doesn't exist. It's all fake and temporary. Hence why it doesn't interest me.
Whereas with strength training, I can basically just get off my couch and deadlift 500 at any time. Strength stays with us 24/7, or...close enough.
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Matt if you do this light test and Anadrol cycle by all means do a log so we can follow your results. I think this would be very interesting.
I'll start one after my next delts day. I am 191-lb now, and I could be 195-lb by then.
I'm pretty happy with how I look already, aside from horrible chest, which just derives from horrible genetics.
Not much I can do about that.
Otherwise, I'm pretty happy about this. I look forward to logging the results.
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Yes, Matt, by all means, slam some anadrol for some contest nobody will remember a week after it's over.
Totally worth it.
Is modest Anadrol particularly unhealthy?
I've heard that Tren is pretty bad. Is Anadrol in that league?
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You say you want to be 185 15% bodyfat when it is all over but you are already there now. Also are you sure you are counting your calories correctly as I agree with everyone else you would be in a massive calorie deficit under 1500 calories a day. My 110lb girlfriend eats more than that a day. There is no way you are 190lb and training on 1000 calories a day. No idea why you think you would be on the shitter all day if you ate more. 2k calories a day is the recommended calories for the average person not a weightlifter. Maybe you can write down everything you eat today as again your math is off somewhere. 1300 calories a day is starvation. I woke up at 4:30 am starving that is what happens when you train
You have less chest development because you have more shoulder development because you are using your shoulders instead of your chest to press lighten up and make the pecs do the work get the shoulder out of the movement
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Do you grasp that I miss my ex-girlfriend, whose clit smells like fish?
Do you understand that her vagina was hairy, and apparently she didn't wash it?
It was amazing.
Your a sick man Matt, hahaha.
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You say you want to be 185 15% bodyfat when it is all over but you are already there now. Also are you sure you are counting your calories correctly as I agree with everyone else you would be in a massive calorie deficit under 1500 calories a day. My 110lb girlfriend eats more than that a day. There is no way you are 190lb and training on 1000 calories a day. No idea why you think you would be on the shitter all day if you ate more. 2k calories a day is the recommended calories for the average person not a weightlifter. Maybe you can write down everything you eat today as again your math is off somewhere. 1300 calories a day is starvation. I woke up at 4:30 am starving that is what happens when you train
You have less chest development because you have more shoulder development because you are using your shoulders instead of your chest to press lighten up and make the pecs do the work get the shoulder out of the movement
I did write it down for long periods.
Our bodies adjust quickly.
My thyroid slowed to compensate, remember?
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You don't seem to grasp how fishy my ex-girlfriend's clit smelled.
I am risking my health after getting basically every possible health test Canada will allow without me going on massively long wait lists, for tests which appear to be fundamentally unnecessary, given my results thus far.
I had all possible blood and urine testing done, and a heart ultrasound and lower digestive tract ultrasound. I will probably go on a Holter Heart Monitor during the heaviest part of my cycle, but that's yet to be seen.
My doctor HAS FULLY GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO DO THIS.
Short of medically authorizing it - he is FULLY on board.
So I don't consider this to be a massive health risk.
A health risk, yes. A big one? Not hardly.
Big or small, short term or not, WHY WOULD YOU RISK YOUR HEALTH, DOING SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE AND DON'T NEED TO DO(.....actually "HATE" was the term you used)?
I've been 200-lb naturally, and pretty lean:
Again, why risk your health to do something you don't like and you don't need to do (as in being at least 200 lbs without steroids, especially if you've done so, previously)? Everybody knows regaining lost size is FAR EASIER than getting new size.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1371624;image)
My waste tends to get wide at about 185-lb. I've actually been 213-lb, but I was just fat at that weight.
You make it sound like my weight is somehow unusual or particularly low for a natural.
It's not. It's quite normal. Natural training sucks!
Just from raising my calories slightly, I'd probably walk around at 190 at 5'9", and let's be real here - there are no masses of men who walk around significantly larger than that naturally who aren't fat.
Layne Norton was 190-lb in contest shape at 5'10.5". He was maybe 215-lb, relatively lean, supposedly naturally, but even then, people doubted his natural status:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1372498;image)
Scott Herman was 170-lb at 5'9.5", pretty lean:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNcdI5DUEAAY37p.jpg)
There is still some debate if Scott is natural, though most seem to think he is natural:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/ie74lp/scott_herman_latest_photo/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nattyorjuice/comments/4cpg8w/scott_herman/
Scott is roughly my size:
Scott just has vastly superior genetics for muscle shape, and specifically for chest.
Here's a photo of Arnold look utterly small, likely off-cycle:
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d94573a5d8b2a353384d1c20530e4b5)
The only thing bodybuilders really have is a natural shape for muscles, and longer muscle bellies, greater muscle fiber density, etc. For example, biceps that attach close to the elbow joint. They'd still be small off steroids.
The size comes from steroids - it's the shape that make pros advantaged.
I don't even think there is a consensus as to who the biggest true natural is. Even Doug Miller's moniker is "Drug Miller":
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50f8cc5de4b0a0c4aab51365/1415176124420-EEV0D0YJVG7403K1T7VD/Screen+Shot+2014-11-05+at+3.27.31+AM.png)
The large natural men you speak of simply do not exist.
185 is about where my waist starts getting wide.
There's nothing unusually light about my weight.
Universally, most men are not particularly heavier than me - just taller or fatter.
I think you have an absurd view of the capability of the human body. Men without steroids are basically all small or fat.
Yet, you just said you got to 200 lbs "lean". You're torpedoing your own argument.
As of this moment, I am 190-lb. That means I am already up SEVEN POUNDS for this cycle, and I am only two weeks in so far, and one 250mg Sustanon shot in, when I should be up 4x such shots. I've been using under 25mg of Anadrol a day.
There's no reason why I can't get to 210-lb, in my best shape for 210, if I can eat enough.
If you think it's common or normal for anyone to be 200-lb and relatively lean at 5'9" from a lowly cycle, that's just silly.
When all is said and done, I intend to drop down to 185-lb clean, and settle around there.
You'll be lucky, if you don't drop lower than that, because you will no longer have the anabolics, nor the calories to keep your gains.
Didn't you say something earlier about people looking as if they never touched a weight, once they drop the sauce?
We all need to decide what weight we want to be in the LONG-TERM, right?
I simply do not want to increase my calories much. For starters because caloric restriction [deprivation, essentially, within reason = fasting, for example] is EXTREMELY healthy.
I don't want the extra shitting and pissing and farting.
It's a damn shame that natural bodybuilding sucks so bad.
If you want to know my reason for the cycle - it's basically the same reason why ANYONE does a cycle ever: I WANT A CHEAT CODE.
I don't WANT to put in the effort - SPECIFICALLY FROM EATING - to gain the mass and leanness that I will from just popping pills and sticking needles in my ass.
What part of that is hard for you to understand?
What's so incredible about steroids is that I'm trying LESS HARD than I was, say, in December - and the results are better!
Again, my intention is to do 75-lb dumbbells for seated dumbbell presses for my next shoulders workout for 15 reps for three sets on Thursday.
Ordinarily, I'd probably get 12, 10, and 9 reps.
Instead, I bet I'll get three sets of 15.
No doubt I would have improved slightly without the Anadrol, but I'd be unlikely to hit 15 reps for three sets. I may fail to hit that, but I suspect I'll be close.
What's the max someone can hope to gain on a decent cycle?
Maybe 20-30 pounds?
That's exactly where I'll land, assuming I eat enough.
So I see no issues here at all - my only goal is to maximize my cycle, which I still intend to do.
I am currently 190-lb as of right now [187-lb in these shots]:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1375714;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1376279;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1375720;image)
That's part of your problem. Quit whining about what everybody else is doing and putting limitations on yourself.
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Mcway you do realize what you did to get big in college might not work for you today 20 years later your body is not going to respond the same way. I notice you keep referencing your gains from college and how easy it was shit is different after 40
What?
Do you mean Mcway is going to have to post about how he’s put on muscle recently?
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What?
Do you mean Mcway is going to have to post about how he’s put on muscle recently?
I think Mcway just has a bet with himself that he can get matt to post the exact same back shot every single day just by responding.
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I think Mcway just has a bet with himself that he can get matt to post the exact same back shot every single day just by responding.
Mcway is trolling on another level.
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I did write it down for long periods.
Our bodies adjust quickly.
My thyroid slowed to compensate, remember?
Not that much you have to have been eating more than 1k calories a day. Try writing down one day and sharing on the what did you eat thread as again you say you can't get past 1300 calories now then you list the meal you are currently eating which I assume is one of at least 3 and it's already 1300 calories. Anabolics or not physics still applies you can't gain weight on air and sunshine
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Is modest Anadrol particularly unhealthy?
I've heard that Tren is pretty bad. Is Anadrol in that league?
No, Anadrol is not good for you.
It is highly liver toxic. One of the worst.
Don't you even do a little research on the drugs you take?
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Which is EXACTLY why I train for strength rather than muscle mass!!!
You'll improve from workout to workout training for strength. To gain muscle mass requires too much focus on nutrition...it's sort of a 24/7 thing.
I used to think it all boiled down to training - but no.
That's why I just want to do a quick on / quick off, then go back to settle around 185, which is a very healthy, natural body weight to be, that still allows me to be fit for everyday reasons, and pretty strong, without fretting over "if it fits your macros" [oh brother] and the "Weider Instinctual Principle" ::), etc.
I just want to train hard and eat when I'm hungry.
My results are not what I'd like them to be, but bodybuilding is somewhat of a con no matter how you cut it - bodybuilding is basically a fraud because even when you are in shape, you don't look like you do after getting a pump.
I look ok enough right now to walk on a public pool deck and look good - and THAT is the beauty of steroids, to me [not being flat all the time. But I will look radically better with a pump. Way better than I do right now.
And I hate that temporary nature of bodybuilding.
Then add the fact that pros have 200 photos taken at a photoshoot, under 5% of which are printed in magazines, AND they are photo retouched, etc.
It's all a fucking fraud.
That's why bodybuilding basically doesn't exist. It's all fake and temporary. Hence why it doesn't interest me.
Whereas with strength training, I can basically just get off my couch and deadlift 500 at any time. Strength stays with us 24/7, or...close enough.
Yet, you are INTENTIONALLY participating in this "fraud", risking your health by talking steroids and eating higher calories (the latter of which you "HATE"). Why? No one is putting a gun to your head and making you do any of it.
You hate the "temporary nature" of bodybuilding. Yet, you are taking anabolics, bragging about how "lean" you are, and posting pics every two seconds.
And here's a news flash: Strength training ALSO requires a focus on nutrition. Have you seen the amount of food these World's Strongest Man winners eat? It makes Ronnie Coleman's diet look like...well.....YOURS!!
Steroids or no steroids, Big and strong men become such by eating large amounts of food. There's not getting around that. Nutrition is also the reason that, when guys get off steroids, they keep a good percentage of their gains.
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Do you feel insecure or inferior with how you look?
Wouldn't it just screw with your mind to jump on a cycle, make some gains and then lose them when coming off? You can't miss what you haven't had.
I know of a guy who did steroids very early on from 15.
He now produces no testosterone and is on hrt forever. He looks really odd, huge red head, kinda solid but t rex like arms, seems to have low bodyfat but just the veins that give his arms the illusion of size. Unhealthy is how I'd describe his appearance, like a beetroot ready to explode, he wishes he'd never touched steroids.
You look healthy, good structure, standout arms and delts and its not temporary.
Can't you add in some extra calories per day to atleast consume the amount a man eats normally, its surprising you keep that bodyweight undereating everyday.
Which is EXACTLY why I train for strength rather than muscle mass!!!
You'll improve from workout to workout training for strength. To gain muscle mass requires too much focus on nutrition...it's sort of a 24/7 thing.
I used to think it all boiled down to training - but no.
That's why I just want to do a quick on / quick off, then go back to settle around 185, which is a very healthy, natural body weight to be, that still allows me to be fit for everyday reasons, and pretty strong, without fretting over "if it fits your macros" [oh brother] and the "Weider Instinctual Principle" ::), etc.
I just want to train hard and eat when I'm hungry.
My results are not what I'd like them to be, but bodybuilding is somewhat of a con no matter how you cut it - bodybuilding is basically a fraud because even when you are in shape, you don't look like you do after getting a pump.
I look ok enough right now to walk on a public pool deck and look good - and THAT is the beauty of steroids, to me [not being flat all the time. But I will look radically better with a pump. Way better than I do right now.
And I hate that temporary nature of bodybuilding.
Then add the fact that pros have 200 photos taken at a photoshoot, under 5% of which are printed in magazines, AND they are photo retouched, etc.
It's all a fucking fraud.
That's why bodybuilding basically doesn't exist. It's all fake and temporary. Hence why it doesn't interest me.
Whereas with strength training, I can basically just get off my couch and deadlift 500 at any time. Strength stays with us 24/7, or...close enough.
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No, Anadrol is not good for you.
It is highly liver toxic. One of the worst.
Don't you even do a little research on the drugs you take?
Is it though according to actual prescribing info not bro science 1-5mg per kilo of bodyweight is the recommended daily dosage for anemia. Matt at 185lbs is 83 kilograms which means the recommended dosage would be 83-415mg a day. He says he is taking 25mgs a day. Lets not forget this is an FDA approved medication for not just men but also children and women with a minimum trial of 3-6 months recommended.
Meanwhile bro science say 50-100mg a day max for 6 weeks due to toxicity lol motherfuckers be drinking a 6 pack of beer a night talking about how 25mg or less than a third of the minimum dosage of an FDA approved medication for women and children is going to hurt their kidneys and liver gtfo
https://www.rxlist.com/anadrol-50-drug.htm#dosage
DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION
The recommended daily dose in children and adults is 1-5 mg/kg body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg/kg/day but higher doses may be required, and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate, and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given.
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The orals are always talked about like you will lose your liver in 4-weeks on 50 Mg's a day.
While liver enzymes do get elevated, a cycle of 50 mgs a day is relatively safe. (8-12 weeks).
Ive read studies where patients (AIDS, etc) have been on for 3-6 years at 150-200 mgs a day, and liver values are back within a month of stopping.
(With no long term damage seen).
Of course there are other issues (back pumps, fucked up digestion, etc) so you may feel like dirt taking it.
And for some people it may damage your liver, like Tylenol and other drugs.
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Matt should realize he has real issues when Bhanks becomes the voice of reason.
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90% of the powerlifters, heavy T/F athletes, strongmen, Ol'ers, etc.... from the 60's - would be dead if Anadrol would be dead if it was that bad.
Run it low, run it short, and you should be fine. If you really feel bothered by it, just drop it.
If it's safe enough for end stage AIDS patients, it's safe enough for you, Matt -
"German Steroid Study Success
by Michael Mooney (from Issue No. 3, May 1996)
A new study shows that one of the most powerful oral anabolic steroids improves lean muscle mass with no significant side-effects in HIV-positive men and women. (1) Oxymetholone, formerly sold in the US as Anadrol-50, was given for thirty weeks at a 150 mg/daily dose. Weight gain averaged 14.5% of bodyweight, which is significant because there was no exercise program instituted, but it is known that anabolic steroids exert their greatest effect when weightlifting is employed. Notably, even the subset of patients burdened with AIDS-related infections continued to gain weight on oxymetholone.
While oxymetholone is considered to be a harsh steroid with a high potential for side-effects, the subjects were reported to have no significant problems with liver function, water retention, virilization, and several side-effects thought to be associated with its use, at a dose that is three times what many bodybuilders would use, for considerably longer than they would generally use it.
The study didn't look at CD8+ T cell counts, which appear to be more correlative with survival than CD4+ T cells,(2) which were not correlative with weight gain in this study.
1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection. Hengge, et al. Brit J Nutri (1996) 75:129-138]
2. CD8+ lymphocyte counts and the risk of death in advanced HIV infection. Schlumpberger JM, et al. J Family Practice (1994) 38(1):33-38."
Actual study cited -
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/3742E21B12290D7A1A25C38C2345A00F/S0007114596000165a.pdf/oxymetholone-promotes-weight-gain-in-patients-with-advanced-human-immunodeficiency-virus-hiv-1-infection.pdf .
"All patients tolerated the drug(s) well. Potential side-effects of treatment were increased fatigue (n 2) and impotence (n 1). Peripheral oedema, deep venous thrombosis, hypertension, increased libido or signs of virilization were not observed. There were no significant alterations in coagulation profiles (prothrombin time, partial thromboplastin time), complete blood counts or renal and liver function tests that were related to
treatment. "
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90% of the powerlifters, heavy T/F athletes, strongmen, Ol'ers, etc.... from the 60's - would be dead if Anadrol would be dead if it was that bad.
They are dead.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=679166.0;attach=1376527;image)
That's pretty much the shake I used (minus the three scoops of protein powder, back in the day. I consumed half in the morning and the other half before bed. I used half-n-half originally before realizing that powdered milk was more economical, though the calories were lower.
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90% of the powerlifters, heavy T/F athletes, strongmen, Ol'ers, etc.... from the 60's - would be dead if Anadrol would be dead if it was that bad.
Run it low, run it short, and you should be fine. If you really feel bothered by it, just drop it.
If it's safe enough for end stage AIDS patients, it's safe enough for you, Matt -
"German Steroid Study Success
by Michael Mooney (from Issue No. 3, May 1996)
A new study shows that one of the most powerful oral anabolic steroids improves lean muscle mass with no significant side-effects in HIV-positive men and women. (1) Oxymetholone, formerly sold in the US as Anadrol-50, was given for thirty weeks at a 150 mg/daily dose. Weight gain averaged 14.5% of bodyweight, which is significant because there was no exercise program instituted, but it is known that anabolic steroids exert their greatest effect when weightlifting is employed. Notably, even the subset of patients burdened with AIDS-related infections continued to gain weight on oxymetholone.
While oxymetholone is considered to be a harsh steroid with a high potential for side-effects, the subjects were reported to have no significant problems with liver function, water retention, virilization, and several side-effects thought to be associated with its use, at a dose that is three times what many bodybuilders would use, for considerably longer than they would generally use it.
The study didn't look at CD8+ T cell counts, which appear to be more correlative with survival than CD4+ T cells,(2) which were not correlative with weight gain in this study.
1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection. Hengge, et al. Brit J Nutri (1996) 75:129-138]
2. CD8+ lymphocyte counts and the risk of death in advanced HIV infection. Schlumpberger JM, et al. J Family Practice (1994) 38(1):33-38."
Actual study cited -
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/3742E21B12290D7A1A25C38C2345A00F/S0007114596000165a.pdf/oxymetholone-promotes-weight-gain-in-patients-with-advanced-human-immunodeficiency-virus-hiv-1-infection.pdf .
"All patients tolerated the drug(s) well. Potential side-effects of treatment were increased fatigue (n 2) and impotence (n 1). Peripheral oedema, deep venous thrombosis, hypertension, increased libido or signs of virilization were not observed. There were no significant alterations in coagulation profiles (prothrombin time, partial thromboplastin time), complete blood counts or renal and liver function tests that were related to
treatment. "
Matt has AIDS?
:D
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The orals are always talked about like you will lose your liver in 4-weeks on 50 Mg's a day.
While liver enzymes do get elevated, a cycle of 50 mgs a day is relatively safe. (8-12 weeks).
Ive read studies where patients (AIDS, etc) have been on for 3-6 years at 150-200 mgs a day, and liver values are back within a month of stopping.
(With no long term damage seen).
Of course there are other issues (back pumps, fucked up digestion, etc) so you may feel like dirt taking it.
And for some people it may damage your liver, like Tylenol and other drugs.
I've taken 100mg of Drol for 3-4 months at a time.
My liver values were within normal range and you could barely notice a change.
Drinking a few beers is far more destructive on your liver.
I've taken enough oral AAS to kill a bus full of people based on what people "think" or read on the internet.
Yet my liver values have never shown any need for concern.
Oral steroids are not going to harm your liver if you are a healthy person to begin with.
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Matt, just enjoy the cycle. No need to over think things.
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I've taken 100mg of Drol for 3-4 months at a time.
My liver values were within normal range and you could barely notice a change.
Drinking a few beers is far more destructive on your liver.
I've taken enough oral AAS to kill a bus full of people based on what people "think" or read on the internet.
Yet my liver values have never shown any need for concern.
Oral steroids are not going to harm your liver if you are a healthy person to begin with.
It's been nice knowin' ya.
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I've taken 100mg of Drol for 3-4 months at a time.
My liver values were within normal range and you could barely notice a change.
Drinking a few beers is far more destructive on your liver.
I've taken enough oral AAS to kill a bus full of people based on what people "think" or read on the internet.
Yet my liver values have never shown any need for concern.
Oral steroids are not going to harm your liver if you are a healthy person to begin with.
Likewise,
I don’t Remeber which coach it was at the time. I think it was Chad or Hany that had me on 50 mg dbol and 50 mg anadrol pre workout.
My liver values were fine as well.
Same coach pre contest had me run var and winny for the synergistic ??? effects that last 6 weeks.
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It's been nice knowin' ya.
My liver may fall out one day.
But it will be from all the wine and not the orals. ;D
Odd that no BB'er (that i know of) has had liver failure.
I do believe that oral AAS can make an existing problem worse and that you should always do bloodwork before, during and after a cycle.
The one person i know who had liver failure, was a guy who drank Vodka every day for like 25 years.
Died at 49 years old.
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My training partner, who is 58, told me he used Anadrol at 25-250mg a day for a year straight! That's a pretty long time I told him, how long are you going to stay off it? "I already started again, it's just too good, often makes me feel kinda crappy but there's not much that compares." It had been a week LOL.:D One year on, one week off. Recently he told me he was just taking test. But what about the Anadrol? Sure, but I only take 25mg.
90% of the powerlifters, heavy T/F athletes, strongmen, Ol'ers, etc.... from the 60's - would be dead if Anadrol would be dead if it was that bad.
Run it low, run it short, and you should be fine. If you really feel bothered by it, just drop it.
If it's safe enough for end stage AIDS patients, it's safe enough for you, Matt -
Actual study cited -
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-c .
"All patients tolerated the drug(s) well. Potential side-effects of treatment were increased fatigue. Peripheral oedema, deep venous thrombosis, hypertension, increased libido or signs of virilization were not observed. There were no significant alterations in coagulation profiles (prothrombin time, partial thromboplastin time), complete blood counts or renal and liver function tests that were related to
treatment. "
I mentioned the fatigue several times in this thread. It's very real but in my case it's mostly positive in that I feel like I sleep better. Impotence is counteracted by concurrent testosterone but it has to be admitted that all steroids can cause problems in that department. Seems like "everyone" uses Viagra these days and Cialis, especially since a low daily dose of Cialis can bring a slightly elevated BP into range. The lack of appetite is also not mentioned but that is very real as well. But maybe these guys were on Megestrol as well (an AIDS drug, an appetite stimulant Chad Nicholls has recommended, basically progesterone, a "female hormone").
Regarding Anadrol and liver problems, there is one potential serious consequence and it's peliosis hepatitis, or benign blood filled cysts in the liver. Benign but if they rupture you could die. As far as I know only Anadrol has been directly connected to the condition but sometimes it's mentioned as a potential side or other orals as well. I've seen a few cases on bodybuilding forums over a couple of decades but seems like they actually weren't on Anadrol specifically, someone blamed tren, someone theorized that it's connected to estrogen somehow. Some steroids like Anadrol which does not convert to estrogen exhibit estrogen like effects - direct effects on estrogen receptors.
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My liver may fall out one day.
But it will be from all the wine and not the orals. ;D
Odd that no BB'er (that i know of) has had liver failure.
I do believe that oral AAS can make an existing problem worse and that you should always do bloodwork before, during and after a cycle.
The one person i know who had liver failure, was a guy who drank Vodka every day for like 25 years.
Died at 49 years old.
Wine and orals? You sound like a desperate housewife.
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Wine and orals? You sound like a desperate housewife.
Hahahahah
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Hahahahah
That chubby little queer has been on a good run, right? ;D
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That chubby little queer has been on a good run, right? ;D
He most certainly has.
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Not you Rob. Shizzo. ;D
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That chubby little queer has been on a good run, right? ;D
Like I run.....
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Not you Rob. Shizzo. ;D
Haahahha
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Like I run.....
It's only midseason but most improved get bigger or comeback of the year is well within reach. Hopefully the committee will consider adding both categories.