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Milos to Appear on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly!
Pro Bodybuilding Weekly welcomes Milos Sarcev as the featured guest during its July 17th broadcast. Bodybuilding talk radio heats up as hosts Dan Solomon and Bob Cicherillo welcome the two-time IFBB champion. Following a career that included more than 70 professional contests, Milos remains a central figure within the industry. Join us for the WORLDWIDE broadcast on Monday July 17th at 8pm est (5pm pst). The voice of pro bodybuilding broadcasts at www.ProBodybuildingWeekl y.com
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Finally...a show worth listening to.
Knock em dead Milos.
Eduardo Especiales
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Looking forward to this one. Give them the scoop on your major meltdowns on getbig!
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OH God we are going to have to endure a whole segment of the show in broken english. :-\ :-\ :-\
Tell the veiwers of your little challenge and how you meltdown every week.
Challenge is here on the pages of getbig...Something you (and other amigos) should REALLY be proud off...
Did you mean viewers in your perfect (native ::)) English?
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Milos to Appear on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly!
Pro Bodybuilding Weekly welcomes Milos Sarcev as the featured guest during its July 17th broadcast. Bodybuilding talk radio heats up as hosts Dan Solomon and Bob Cicherillo welcome the two-time IFBB champion. Following a career that included more than 70 professional contests, Milos remains a central figure within the industry. Join us for the WORLDWIDE broadcast on Monday July 17th at 8pm est (5pm pst). The voice of pro bodybuilding broadcasts at y.com" target="_blank">www.ProBodybuildingWeekl y.com
Can I call in and ask about your "secrets"?
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Can I call in and ask about your "secrets"?
Of course.
I have no secrets.
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Challenge is here on the pages of getbig...Something you (and other amigos) should REALLY be proud off...
Did you mean viewers in your perfect (native ::)) English?
spelling and listening are diffrent entities....
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Of course.
I have no secrets.
your dvd title would suggest otherwise
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your dvd title would suggest otherwise
Those are not secrets since a lot of people know them now ;D
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...and here we go again :-\
The pros posting here is getting less by the minute.
Wonder why...?
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I think people will be quite surprised on how knowledgable and well spoken Milos is! Should be quite interesting listening to him...
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I hope the next radio show, 2 or 3 weeks from tonight, can take on a more Bbing focus, and less of a "I'm gonna beat up you kids then sue you and videotape it and own you all. own own own!" feel.
I mean, we all enjoyed it, but making the show about Bbing would be a pleasant change.
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...making the show about Bbing would be a pleasant change.
As always, we allow the "guests" to dictate where the show goes. It's proven to be the best formula...
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As always, we allow the "guests" to dictate where the show goes. It's proven to be the best formula...
Great job Dan! When are you guys moving to Satellite?
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...and here we go again :-\
The pros posting here is getting less by the minute.
Wonder why...?
Well considering Ron has stated multiple times including i believe on this same pro bodybuilding weekly show that pros can post on the Forum Bodybuilding friends and fans and it would be moditored like a mo fo, Just why on earth would a pro post this on the Gossip forum?..
Ask yourself that ;)
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OHHHHHHH... how I wish I could say what I really want to say but I'll just keep it positive unlike some people and say... really looking forward to hearing Milos. Aside from a few small things, the show keeps getting better and better!
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Time for a new logo for the show. That one is weak.
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good, that will be a great show.
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As always, we allow the "guests" to dictate where the show goes. It's proven to be the best formula...
Translation -> We allow unstable hotheads to rant without restriction so that teh world can see which ones really are complete idiots. Cool!
Milos should call out alexxx and meso. Call them names, make baseless accusations, then have them arrested and jailed. monster legacy!
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Looking forward to it Milos!
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Synthol or no, Milos is still a champ...if these little pricks would just shut their traps (and I don't mean crabs!), browse Milos's forum and apply the knowledge offered for free therein (specifically the Flex Europe article section), their BB efforts would be greatly expedited...
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Well considering Ron has stated multiple times including i believe on this same pro bodybuilding weekly show that pros can post on the Forum Bodybuilding friends and fans and it would be moditored like a mo fo, Just why on earth would a pro post this on the Gossip forum?..
Ask yourself that ;)
Gossip and opinions is what it is. Insulting posts is another.
Agree?
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Guys Milos has just started a thread about how is going to be on bodybuilding pro weekly and already totally uncalled for comments appear!! ::) ::)
Guys if you are smart you will tune and listen to this segment with Milos!!! i am sure he will raise alot of important and interesting issue's that we need answers to! I doubt very much that he will mention anything about any challenges on this forum or any of its memeber. He will alot more important issues to discuss.
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Guys Milos has just started a thread about how is going to be on bodybuilding pro weekly and already totally uncalled for comments appear!! ::) ::)
Guys if you are smart you will tune and listen to this segment with Milos!!! i am sure he will raise alot of important and interesting issue's that we need answers to! I doubt very much that he will mention anything about any challenges on this forum or any of its memeber. He will alot more important issues to discuss.
Like what?
What exactly are these 'Burning issues' in bodybuilding?
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Like what?
What exactly are these 'Burning issues' in bodybuilding?
GH guts?
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I have few things to say anyway - but I'll be more than happy to answer ANY of your questions and concerns..
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I have a question for you Milos that you can answer here if you want to or on the radio show.
What do you think about the IFBB letting someone compete even if that person risk his life by doing so. In this case, Don Long. Now I am not a doctor and I don't know Don's health condition but that doesn't sound healthy at all to compete without kidneys ???
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I have a question for you Milos that you can answer here if you want to or on the radio show.
What do you think about the IFBB letting someone compete even if that person risk his life by doing so. In this case, Don Long. Now I am not a doctor and I don't know Don's healt condition but that doesn't sound healty at all to compete without kidneys ???
Well, back in 2000 I was told that I cannot compete in the Olympia even though I was qualified - due to my synthol accident earlier that year. I didn't take it against the officials and I accepted their decision - even though I felt I could easily compete without risking anything (other than what we normally risk - anyway...)
In Don's case it is hard to say...If that is what he really wants to do who am I to say that he shouldn't...but I can see why you are asking that question... I would have to know little bit more before I would make any conclusions...
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I would have to know little bit more before I would make any conclusions...
Milos, you need to be the next IFBB Athlete's Rep.
That statement spoke volumes.
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Well, back in 2000 I was told that I cannot compete in the Olympia even though I was qualified - due to my synthol accident earlier that year.
I didn't take it against the officials and I accepted their decision - even though I felt I could easily compete without risking anything (other than what we normally risk - anyway...)
In Don's case it is hard to say...If that is what he really wants to do who am I to say that he shouldn't...but I can see why you are asking that question...
I would have to know little bit more before I would make any conclusions...
thanks for taking the time to anwser my question :)
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what's with all the hating on Milos? the dude is a cool cat... Just because he didn't feel like bullshitting meso to come up with some training tips? I can understand the hate for Bob though, that guy is a douche
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It is not hating...at least that's not how I see it. Few people are just frustrated and they don't know how to deal with it - so they are "angry on others"...
I have no problem being attacked. I know that I didn't do anything wrong and I know that I can't please everybody ...(and always)...
But - as we are talking about this radio show - I will be there to talk about everything and anything... I have no problem talking about sensitive issues - and maybe some of you can give me some ideas?
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Talk about how fragile alot of the pro's egos are. There are many professional athletes in the bodybuilding world that I've seen be able to take the insults and comments (like yourself) but there are others who I don't call "professional" because they can't seem to ignore the few who constantly insult them.
I find it funny how the peanut gallery can get into a bodybuilders head and make them bitch and moan that he/she doesn't get the same respect as other athletes in different sports. Maybe if they were able to act "professional" and just ignore it or laugh at it they would be treated as such "a professional".
I also dislike the attitude alot of bodybuilders (amatuer/pro) have with the rest of society. Alot of them think they are a higher power or are better then everyone else, this is not the right type of role model. I myself think I am no better then anyone else who does/doesn't lift. I do not look at some 130lber and say what a lil bitch or what a fat slob. I chose to lift to feel better about myself, not to make everyone else seem insignificant.
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It is not hating...at least that's not how I see it.
Few people are just frustrated and they don't know how to deal with it - so they are "angry on others"...
I have no problem being attacked. I know that I didn't do anything wrong and I know that I can't please everybody ...(and always)...
But - as we are talking about this radio show - I will be there to talk about everything and anything...
I have no problem talking about sensitive issues - and maybe some of you can give me some ideas?
I would love if you could comment on the difference in the quality of the physiques from the 90's to the "mass monster era".
I think that would be pretty interesting
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I do have a few questions for Milos that he can answer on the radio. Last year there was a big stink online about his court case but everything sort of fizzled. What happened?
How come guys like Luke Wood can look so amazing in photos and then a month or two later show up at a contest looking not as impressive? What is happening in the body? If Milos knows so much how comes guys who listen to him don't keep improving? I am not saying this as a putdown. If we look at photos of Dorian Yates then clearly he was at his best just before a contest way back in 92. Those photos where he has his socks on. He never appeared in a contest that big or hard. It seems to me that whatever the guys are doing for contests is resulting in their losing too much size. I think that is not a good thing.
The third thing I would like to see talked about is the contribution of drugs to the physiques. Is it possible to get huge without ruining the health and look of the guys taking those substances?
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Milos beat the rap.
and your blue font makes my eyes hurt.
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I know he beat the rap. He made a big stink over other people dobbing him in. So I would like to hear about what happened. Sounds to me like a deal was agreed to. Milos posted about the then upcoming trial and it would be fair if he made a full disclosure about what happened. He owes the board that much. Maybe his example might be valuable to others.
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Milos beat the rap.
and your blue font makes my eyes hurt.
get some rest and eat more carrots 240
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spelling and listening are diffrent entities....
i find milos to speak excellent english which i cannot say about u myself being an esl guy as well.
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Think you can throw some contest prep nutrition diet stuff in the interview?
That would be good
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When is the comeback it seems if you ask about this milos comeback or will it be without drugs,it the thread gets wiped.WTF????. ::)
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Think you can throw some contest prep nutrition diet stuff in the interview?
That would be good
I don't think we would have a time for that...even though I would love to talk about it...
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Talk about how fragile alot of the pro's egos are. There are many professional athletes in the bodybuilding world that I've seen be able to take the insults and comments (like yourself) but there are others who I don't call "professional" because they can't seem to ignore the few who constantly insult them. I find it funny how the peanut gallery can get into a bodybuilders head and make them bitch and moan that he/she doesn't get the same respect as other athletes in different sports. Maybe if they were able to act "professional" and just ignore it or laugh at it they would be treated as such "a professional". I also dislike the attitude alot of bodybuilders (amatuer/pro) have with the rest of society. Alot of them think they are a higher power or are better then everyone else, this is not the right type of role model. I myself think I am no better then anyone else who does/doesn't lift. I do not look at some 130lber and say what a lil bitch or what a fat slob. I chose to lift to feel better about myself, not to make everyone else seem insignificant.
I don't think the pros have fragile egos, at least more so than any other poster in this forum. For eg, if I responded to your post (or someone else's) by putting them down calling them names or gay or whatever, you will post back an insult in retaliation. But if the pros do the same, they have fragile egos ??? They are professional in that they are guys who compete in professional contests and do bodybuilding for a career (among other things, dodgy or not).Professional, not as in being so thick skinned and putting up with all the shit that the so called assholes fans come up with. Anyone else agree? Why is it ok for the average poster to retaliate and defend themselves, but when the pros do it, they are accused of having 'fragile egos'?
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I don't think the pros have fragile egos, at least more so than any other poster in this forum. For eg, if I responded to your post (or someone else's) by putting them down calling them names or gay or whatever, you will post back an insult in retaliation. But if the pros do the same, they have fragile egos ??? They are professional in that they are guys who compete in professional contests and do bodybuilding for a career (among other things, dodgy or not).Professional, not as in being so thick skinned and putting up with all the shit that the so called assholes fans come up with. Anyone else agree? Why is it ok for the average poster to retaliate and defend themselves, but when the pros do it, they are accused of having 'fragile egos'?
IMO, most of the everyday joes here don't lose face when dissed. We're just another screen name, and even when our identity comes out, it doesn't really affect our real life. For pros, they KNOW that not only their fans, but their peers, sponsors, writers, and other industry types are reading it.
To some of them, it seems like they feel they're being dissed on the mic, onstage at the Arnold Classic, everytime someone says they're holding water or sporting a lousy bodypart. Resorting to threats of violence or lawsuits, over words on a message board? Gimme a break...
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IMO, most of the everyday joes here don't lose face when dissed. We're just another screen name, and even when our identity comes out, it doesn't really affect our real life. For pros, they KNOW that not only their fans, but their peers, sponsors, writers, and other industry types are reading it.
To some of them, it seems like they feel they're being dissed on the mic, onstage at the Arnold Classic, everytime someone says they're holding water or sporting a lousy bodypart. Resorting to threats of violence or lawsuits, over words on a message board? Gimme a break...
Puhleeease mate. Resorting to threats over words on a message board? You just shot yourself in the foot, since you yourself have gone on record threatening to kill someone over some info that was posted, have melted down here and there etc. Not saying you shouldn't have done that, but the fact is it's easy to get over insults and retort back when you are anonymous. The anonymity gives you the power to say what you want. Whereas with the pros, they have to watch what they say coz (due to their identity not being in the dark) they have to deal with someone just as they would if they met them in real life.
And it's different even if you do post your pics and your name. For eg, anyone who's followed Getbig for a while knows your name and what you look like, but the chances of you coming in contact with a whole bunch of Getbiggers is quite rare. Compare that to the pros who constantly meet people in the context of bodybuilding ie, they meet 'fans' (I use the term loosely) who know who they are and in all probability, know a certain amount of info about them or have pre-conceived notions of them based on what they've read about them, a lot of which comes from message boards. Case in point, look at the difference in the post content of GH15 (assuming for a sec that he is a pro) and someone like Shawn Ray. GH15, due to his anonymity can be quite frank with the details, while Shawn has to be PC etc. See what I'm saying?
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Yeah Milos said he would disclose what happened exactly after the trial. He said he would drop the hammer on Shawn Ray... implying Shawn was the reason he was raided etc. Milos you said you are not afraid of sensitive topics so here is one. I doubt you will touch this one though, just like Kamali chickened out on his threat to expose Shawn.
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Puhleeease mate. Resorting to threats over words on a message board? You just shot yourself in the foot, since you yourself have gone on record threatening to kill someone over some info that was posted, have melted down here and there etc. Not saying you shouldn't have done that, but the fact is it's easy to get over insults and retort back when you are anonymous. The anonymity gives you the power to say what you want. Whereas with the pros, they have to watch what they say coz (due to their identity not being in the dark) they have to deal with someone just as they would if they met them in real life.
And it's different even if you do post your pics and your name. For eg, anyone who's followed Getbig for a while knows your name and what you look like, but the chances of you coming in contact with a whole bunch of Getbiggers is quite rare. Compare that to the pros who constantly meet people in the context of bodybuilding ie, they meet 'fans' (I use the term loosely) who know who they are and in all probability, know a certain amount of info about them or have pre-conceived notions of them based on what they've read about them, a lot of which comes from message boards. Case in point, look at the difference in the post content of GH15 (assuming for a sec that he is a pro) and someone like Shawn Ray. GH15, due to his anonymity can be quite frank with the details, while Shawn has to be PC etc. See what I'm saying?
What your saying makes perfect sense, so don't be surprised when 240 doesn't clue in.
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I was NOT invited to the show to talk about my case... but IF opportunity arises I would have no problem telling what really happened. However - it doesn't look that Dan wants me to do that exactly... It has nothing to do with being afraid but simply respecting the show and people that invited me to participate.
Needless to say - that is a very sensitive issue and WHAT will it bring if exposed?
YES - Shawn is DIRECT reason why me and Dennis got investigated - I already said that many times. As some of you already know - once defendant goes to the trial his lawyer has to get EVERYTHING that prosecutor has to charge the defendant.
So: what, how and when everything happened is known to me and Shawn indeed is EXACT reason why investigation started on the first place...
But, I will have less than an hour and I am not sure there will be a time for that. I have numerous issues that I would love to discuss and I am sure Bob and Dan have few ideas as well...
One thing is for sure - I never had a problem answering ANY questions. So - if you convince Bob and Dan that speaking about my case in detail is something they should do - I am ALL FOR IT...but I seriously doubt that will happen.
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I was NOT invited to the show to talk about my case...but IF opportunity arises I would have no problem telling what really happened.
However - it doesn't look that Dan wants me to do that exactly...
It has nothing to do with being afraid but simply respecting the show and people that invited me to participate.
I dunno - they knew about King's plans to call out one of his online adversaries with lawsuit threats, and allowed it. i'm sure they'd let you talk about a real court case that actually has to do with Bbing.
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SHAME ON YOU SHAWN !!! >:( >:( >:(
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When is the mighty comeback?????.Mustafa will be there.
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Kamali pulling the riot act on 240 was a surprise for Dan and others. We don't know what Milos can and will bring to the radio show - which is live - which makes for anything to happen.
If Shawn was involved directly or indirectly, and you have said it many times, what we don't know is how he was involved. You are the guest - Dan and Bob asks the questions, but you can decide what you want to put out there on the air.
Discussion during, before and after the show will always be instense with Milos in the house. Great to see you on the radio show live. And don't worry about your accent or anything - I think about 25-30% of the audience on Getbig are currently living in others countries.
And the ones that bash you - are you guys ready for a Time Out or being Red Carded...
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Show is tomorrow and I am still open for a suggestions...
I can't promise that I can deliver everything - but as time permits I can maybe touch the subject that concerns some of you GETBIGER's...
I will talk about JUDGING - as I think that is very important issue...
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Show is tomorrow and I am still open for a suggestions...
I can't promise that I can deliver everything - but as time permits I can maybe touch the subject that concerns some of you GETBIGER's...
I will talk about JUDGING - as I think that is very important issue...
You could take briefly about what separate you from the other gurus
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MILOS -
When will you compete again?
Who is the next Mr O?
Will the PDI succeed?
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Without Drugs??? ;D
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Dealing Drugs out of a Gym is a Crime!
I switched gyms because of it. ;D
Sad but True.
Everyone knows it, I never had to say a word. The Facts are the Facts.
I have nothing to hide. :-*
Too bad when Bad people do Bad things they want to bring everyone around them down with them. :'(
This should be interesting.......... ;D
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1 Yr Probation & a $10,000.00 Fine doesn't sound so innocent to me. :-[
I never saw any Drug Dealing, that doesn't mean it wasn't going on according to the findings by the DEA. :-\
Appearently there were some transactions between Thai Land & Iowa.
Let the Games and finger pointing begin! :o
For the record, I was never on record or in court regarding Testimony or Fact Finding. Interesting, the person who gets Jammed Up would point fingers, while the evidence is what got him in hot water.
Some people never learn. :-\
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Dealing Drugs out of a Gym is a Crime!
I switched gyms because of it. ;D
Sad but True.
Everyone knows it, I never had to say a word. The Facts are the Facts.
I have nothing to hide. :-*
Too bad when Bad people do Bad things they want to bring everyone around them down with them. :'(
This should be interesting.......... ;D
I am glad your "Born again personality" came out again - just on time....
So - I will insist to Bob and Dan to actually TALK ABOUT IT...
You switched the gym - as you were kicked out FOR THE SECOND TIME...and this time for good.
First time was - drug related...Your drugs (delivered to the gym) related....
But, that's now all going to surface - as I am going to talk about it...for a very good reason = you deserve it!
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I am glad your "Born again personality" came out again - just on time....
So - I will insist to Bob and Dan to actually TALK ABOUT IT...
You switched the gym - as you were kicked out FOR THE SECOND TIME...and this time for good.
First time was - drug related...Your drugs (delivered to the gym) related....
But, that's now all going to surface - as I am going to talk about it...for a very good reason = you deserve it!
i don't believe your supposed to judge anyone Shawn cuz thats gods job right? Also heres a little bible scripture for you...... "don't comment on the spec in someones eye, when you have a plank in yours"! Sorry if thats not the 100% correct way that it was said but you know where I'm coming from.. Ive been a member of Milo's gym for awhile and Ive heard the same crap about the delivery and thats y you were kicked out in the beginning... not saying i know for sure but Ive heard anywayz....
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1 Yr Probation & a $10,000.00 Fine doesn't sound so innocent to me. :-[
I never saw any Drug Dealing, that doesn't mean it wasn't going on according to the findings by the DEA. :-\
Appearently there were some transactions between Thai Land & Iowa.
Let the Games and finger pointing begin! :o
For the record, I was never on record or in court regarding Testimony or Fact Finding. Interesting, the person who gets Jammed Up would point fingers, while the evidence is what got him in hot water.
Some people never learn. :-\
One year informal probation and 10K penalty was ONE CHOICE or trial and 100+K in lawyers fees was ANOTHER...so I made my choice.
Case that DEA had to prove was CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY - and in case they would find anything that fit that description - I could be found guilty....
You keep talking about crime and DRUG DEALING - to purposely confuse people...
I have NEVER BEEN CHARGED with drug dealing....as that would be IMPOSSIBLE considering I NEVER DID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT (contrary to you and members of your family...).
You were never in court as you invited feds to your house repeatedly...
Obviously you had nothing to say - so they keep coming back to you and listen to your silence ::)
Problem is WHAT you were saying - which you continue to post here (and you can read: YOU KNOWING THAT I AM GUILTY OF SOMETHING?)
So - here it is: WHAT AM I GUILTY OF SHAWN?
There are few hours before the show - let it be known...So maybe I can talk about it?
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Yeah innocent people dont pay any money when I last checked ... Shawn is Owning Milos... hahahah
Jae - get some sun and get out of the basement.
Don't you have a challenge with the girl on your agenda big boy?
Many innocent people do have a choices to make...
I am innocent of DRUG DEALING - which I have proven...
I am not innocent of CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE...and that's my guilt - which I chose to admit...as DEA had A SINGLE EMAIL that could be interpreted by the jury that I possibly wanted to poses something for my upcoming contest...THAT IS IT!
I was guilty for THINKING ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING....
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I have no horse in this race - but - to the radio show hosts, I ask that you please let Milos speak his mind tonight on this topic.
Shawn has accused Milos of many things on the boards, repeatedly. if suddenly Milos was censored on the show - after King, Ray, Chic, and other have been allowed to vent, it would really be a terrible sign of bias.
I'm sure you guys won't... but I really want to hear Milos' side after all this time, as many do, and i really hope he's given the time to speak on it.
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I took out all my Milos comments cause I know you read them already, there is nothing for me to point out, i dont even want to sit here and correspond with a KNOWN dabbler in drugs.
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Well to all reading,
I may not be a Pro bodybuilder but one thing I am is a Bachlor's of Science in Administration of Justice at Rutgers University. And I graduated TOP of the class with 3.8 GPA.... I will bet $$$$ on it, with any fool...I will meet you in the department's office and show you my name..hahahahah
Now with that being said,I tell you what I see really went on.
The fact that he plea bargined to get a Year Probation and 10,000 fine means a whole host of things, one of them is that he was facing some conspiracy charges at the very least, if he went to court and lost he would be facing 10 yrs Max, would of got out in 4 to 6 on good behavior. You dont get brought up on charges if you are completely innocent. That is just plain ignorant to think that if your not indicted or or found guilty then you didnt do anything wrong. Now ,Because he did accept the terms of the Plea, then that is a telltale sign that his lawyer went to Milos and was like ...TAKE THE PLEA TAKE THE F*CKIN PLEA YOU IDIOT... Either way I dont know the ins and out of the case but taking the plea is like saying your guilty with money. Milos you need to just keep saying that you were not guilty of anything and thats that..all this I accepted the plea tells educated people like myself that you are a drug dealing POS.
What a genius?
Taking a plea in many cases means - taking a plea - as OTHER OPTION is worse choice...
As I will explain today on the show:
I was investigated by the Federal government...
They searched my house, subpoenaed hundreds of people and did their usual work - with hope to find me guilty of some wrong doing...
As some "little bird ::)" told them that I am indeed a dealer and not just any kind of dealer but - worst kind of dealer - they thought they had big fish and "the kingpin"...
Soon they realized they had NOTHING...as there is NOTHING in my life that could ever be questioned as far as ANY DEALING is concerned.
However, I am competitive bodybuilder - and they only need to find ONE CONNECTION that would connect me with bodybuilding supplements of the choice...
In the single email I was discussing my possible supplement program with somebody - and THAT EMAIL was the reason I had to agree that indeed I conspire to poses something...
In the court of law - as my case was ONLY - conspiracy to poses....prosecutor would only need to show the jury that I indeed wanted to get something....
In case he does - I could be found guilty....
Years of jail time mentioned are all inflated...I was looking for NO JAIL TIME in any way, shape or form...
What I accepted to do is - make a plea agreement so I don't have to devastate my family financially more than I already did...
Jae - calling someone (me) a "drug dealing POS" - after I have proven that I am not (or do you suggest that DEA just wanted to let me go - after years of investigation and millions of tax-payers money's was spent?) - just tops off all my patience with you.
I gave you numerous chances but as you are indeed POS as a person - I will not correspond with you from now on...
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I gotta admit - in Milos' shoes, I would have taken the same 10k deal and pled out. just makes more sense. There are no saints in this game obviously. He just caught heat while others avoid it. I don't think it's any bigger than that.
The beef with Ray - i'd like to hear about it tonight. If Shawn is a Christian and proud to help the law be enforced, he shoudl have no problem whatsoever with Milos speaking on what really happened. I'm sure PBBW would allow Shawn to defend himself on another show, should he wish to.
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I gave you numerous chances but as you are indeed POS as a person - I will not correspond with you from now on...
When your innocent... the goverment doesnt 'make up a case' and people dont take pleas.
Yeah thats right, tell people that the DEA sits and sees who they can conjure charges against then bluffs to them so that they pay they Plea. You are innocent, but not in the court of public opinion.
What school did you go for your law studies Milos... thanks come again...
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I gotta admit - in Milos' shoes, I would have taken the same 10k deal and pled out. just makes more sense. There are no saints in this game obviously. He just caught heat while others avoid it. I don't think it's any bigger than that.
The beef with Ray - i'd like to hear about it tonight. If Shawn is a Christian and proud to help the law be enforced, he shoudl have no problem whatsoever with Milos speaking on what really happened. I'm sure PBBW would allow Shawn to defend himself on another show, should he wish to.
I have no beef with Ray...he continuously implicates me in something.
I hope that everyone here knows by now that Shawn suggests that I am (was?) a dealer.
Well, if he doesn't hold back here on public board and suggests that he knows SOMETHING ABOUT ME that would make me guilty - what do you think he could have told DEA agents several times in his house?
To make everything more clear: SHAWN - as I will be on the radio in just few hours - why don't you confront me and say EXACTLY WHAT AM I GUILTY OF?
It is obvious that you feel that you know my guilt - so I am giving you my blessing to post here for everyone to see:
WHAT IS MY GUILT THAT YOU ARE SO SURE ABOUT?
That way maybe - I can address it on the show...as I don't think I would soon have a chance to go on the show again...and I would certainly love to answer all my charges...
I have many "enemies" here that would LOVE TO SEE ME down - and I am giving you the opportunity to expose everything you know...
I said numerous times even here on board - I stand behind EVERYTHING THAT I DO...so I should have no problem (in my mind) defending myself...
Hit me with your best shot...(if you can actually swing?). Hot air is only that...hot air (and you are full of that...as we all know).
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Dealing Drugs out of a Gym is a Crime!
I switched gyms because of it. ;D
Sad but True.
Everyone knows it, I never had to say a word. The Facts are the Facts.
I have nothing to hide. :-*
Too bad when Bad people do Bad things they want to bring everyone around them down with them. :'(
This should be interesting.......... ;D
1 Yr Probation & a $10,000.00 Fine doesn't sound so innocent to me. :-[
I never saw any Drug Dealing, that doesn't mean it wasn't going on according to the findings by the DEA. :-\
Appearently there were some transactions between Thai Land & Iowa.
Let the Games and finger pointing begin! :o
For the record, I was never on record or in court regarding Testimony or Fact Finding. Interesting, the person who gets Jammed Up would point fingers, while the evidence is what got him in hot water.
Some people never learn. :-\
Holy Crap... monster statement here!
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im sure every gym around has some guy selling steriods ( not saying milos was ) y would you switch gyms becuz of it..... who cares.. ???
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and where did shawn ray get his steriods? Where they sent to him by god.. ;D
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I thought IFBB rules stated if any competitor brings discredit to the IFBB they would be banned,lucky Milos name isn't Lee.Would not let my children train around drug gyms.I know it is hard that in itself is Very Sad.so much for IFBB Rules.again. ::)
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Dealing Drugs out of a Gym is a Crime!
I switched gyms because of it. ;D
Sad but True.
Everyone knows it, I never had to say a word. The Facts are the Facts.
I have nothing to hide. :-*
Too bad when Bad people do Bad things they want to bring everyone around them down with them. :'(
This should be interesting.......... ;D
what shit are you talking shawn.......you are by far my favourite bodybuilder of all time.but you are now saying using or selling steroids is such a bad thing....do you forget how you used steroids to help build you physique and make money?
does this make you a horible person?
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Let's get one thing straight right here and now - just because the law says something is legal, doesn't necessarily make it right...case in point - there have been way more deaths caused by "legal" medicine ( which can be bought at any local supermarket ) than deaths caused by anabolics. Shoot an overdose of aspirin can kill someone! And just because the law states that something is illegal, doesn't necessarily mean that decision is right as well - case in point prohibition. As also mentioned in previous posts before - in every single professional sport today - EVERY ATHELETE - used, or has used anabolics - even the horses in the Kentucky Derby....You sit on your couches and drink your beer and root for your celebrated athelete in NFL Superbowls, NBA Finals, Baseballs World Series, Soccer's World Cup...etc...yet every single one of those athelets have been exposed to the "illegal" drugs you so vehemently seem to detest...So all of you self righteous, ignorant individuals who are so easy to point the finger at others, be careful to realize that every time you point the finger of judgement at someone - there are at least THREE pointing back at you!
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Replay of Mondays show is now available at ProBodybuildingWeekly.com (http://ProBodybuildingWeekly.com) -- The show included a conversation with Milos and a chat with former Muscle & Fitness editor-in-chief Vince Scalisi. The broadcast also featured the release of statements issued by Vince Taylor & Wayne DeMilia.
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I thought that the sound quality was really the only draw back of the show. When you cant hear someone that good and have to turn up the volume, it sounds like Dan is breathing like God talking to Moses on the mountain.
Milos had alot of good things to say about competetion and the history of the sport in regards to Mass monsters.
I think that the whole story about the drugs and what not should be left for dead. I mean BBs in general, ( those who live and work in the US), can not fool fans of the sport. We all know that you guys use stuff that you shouldnt, so when someone goes on the tells people that they never dabbled in any dealing, even though your not pushing the stuff ...the fact that you have to go through your own means of obtaining your juice doesnt make you a saint either. People wouldnot be selling if they knew people werent buying.
I know when Im talking to a used car salesman, last night felt like some was tryin to sell me a hoopdie
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Replay of Mondays show is now available at ProBodybuildingWeekly.com (http://ProBodybuildingWeekly.com) -- The show included a conversation with Milos and a chat with former Muscle & Fitness editor-in-chief Vince Scalisi. The broadcast also featured the release of statements issued by Vince Taylor & Wayne DeMilia.
Not as of yet
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Yes, it was there since this morning
http://wm.kinodigital.na-central.speedera.net/wm.kinodigital.na-central/Solomon/Solomon071706.wma
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Even if Milos was really dealing drugs in his gym ( and I really couldn't care less !!!)
Shawn is a true peace of shit for opening his mouth to the DEA.
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Everyone spoke to the DEA, none of us knew what the other said.
Milos loves pointing fingers but he never looks in the mirror.
The Bed he laid in was the bed he made for himself, he didn't need my help.
Ronnie, Melvin, Nasser, Titus, Flex all the boys were visited and spoken to.
The ones they were investigating and had cause, were called to visit Iowa via Subpeona.
If I had credible info regarding Milos Dealing, I would have been called to testify accordingly or put on record.
That being said, You really think I give a Rats Ass if Milos deals or was taking money to Dennis?
Milos is what he is and does what he does.
He didn't need my help to get: Raided, Served and Brought up on charges.
I've never witnessed Milos Dealing, so him getting Busted is because of fact finding.
If me simply saying, "He is carrying money to Thailand to buy Drugs" was a enough to get him busted, we'd all be going to jail based on Rumors. :-\
Sadly, this was not a rumor but something the DEA found credible enough to investigate and get him to cop a Plea Bargain. :'(
Out!
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Everyone spoke to the DEA, none of knew what the other said.
Milos love pointing fingers but he never looks in the mirror.
The Bed he laid in was the bed he made for himself, he didn't need my help.
Ronnie, Melvin, Nasser, Titus, Flex all the boy swere visited and spoken to.
The ones they were investigating and had cause, were called to visit Iowa via Subpeona.
If I had credible info regarding Milos Dealing, I would have been called to testify accordingly or put on record.
That being said, You really think I give a Rats Ass if Milos deals or was taking money to Dennis?
Milos is what he is and does what he does.
He didn't need my help to get: Raided, Served and Brought up on charges.
I've never witnessed Milos Dealing, so him getting Busted is because of fact finding.
If me simply saying, "He is carrying money to Thailand to buy Drugs" was a enough to get him busted, we'd all be going to jail based on Rumors. :-\
Sadly, this was not a rumor but something the DEA found credible enough to investigate and get him to cop a Plea Bargain. :'(
Out!
Milos OWNED!! I wouldn't be surprised if he never shows his ass on this board again!
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Everyone spoke to the DEA, none of knew what the other said.
Milos love pointing fingers but he never looks in the mirror.
The Bed he laid in was the bed he made for himself, he didn't need my help.
Ronnie, Melvin, Nasser, Titus, Flex all the boy swere visited and spoken to.
The ones they were investigating and had cause, were called to visit Iowa via Subpeona.
If I had credible info regarding Milos Dealing, I would have been called to testify accordingly or put on record.
That being said, You really think I give a Rats Ass if Milos deals or was taking money to Dennis?
Milos is what he is and does what he does.
He didn't need my help to get: Raided, Served and Brought up on charges.
I've never witnessed Milos Dealing, so him getting Busted is because of fact finding.
If me simply saying, "He is carrying money to Thailand to buy Drugs" was a enough to get him busted, we'd all be going to jail based on Rumors. :-\
Sadly, this was not a rumor but something the DEA found credible enough to investigate and get him to cop a Plea Bargain. :'(
Out!
Why didn't you just said: "I have absolutly nothing to say to you, have a nice day sir"
You know inside of you heart that you did those kind of things too, I don't expect you to admit it but you know the truth.
Even if Milos was dealing steroids, that doesn't make him a bad person
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Chick speaks well,as for the milos comeback I guess no time soon it was as if he thought it was a mistake to make that claim but if he sells more videos I guess it worked.Now the one thing I took from that radio statement is any guy who allows anybody to use their bank account to hold a load of money four years from wages from IFBB enough to buy a nice home in Thailand has no concern about IRS or Tax statements.Must have a great accountant.IMO.
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More Power to you Shawn you make alot of sense and are one of the most Decent in the so called sport.God Bless.
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Milos comes across as an honest guy. I agree with his view of the judging process but of course many will assume he wants changes to suit his physique. Milos insists we need to know what the criterion is for judging contests and perhaps have a say in clearing up what that process should be. Besides critierion it is important to get the process right and include posing as part of what defines bodybuilding. I mean posing by way of presenting a physique in the best way possible for each bodybuilder. No contest judging should be completed before the competitors can pose individually doing their own routines for the judges. Judges selection and number is also a matter that should be discussed.
I was glad that Milos clearly and fully explained his side of the drugs scandal he was involved with last year and Shawn Ray was mentioned then and now. I doubt we can do justice to what happened but at least Milos disclosed what happened from his point of view and mentioned names, etc.
He cleared up how he is involved with champion bodybuilders who seek his help re preparing for contests. I agree that information about contest preparations should be shared. His saving a dehydrated bodybuilder should be information circulated to all ambulance services and all hospitals so that they are aware of bodybuilders having too much potassium in their systems at contests and must never be injected with more potassium to help the dehydration because that might cause the heart to stop beating. I agree with Milos about bodybuilding information and it should never be joked about to others in the sport. By that I mean give others false information as a joke. That is quite unethical and hardly a joke. If Milos shares his information then that is a credit to him.
I can imagine most competing professionals having to get supplies of drugs if they are competing. So they are breaking the law possessing these substances in America and countries with similar laws. I believe the laws are misguided and you would think that California could lead the way to rectify this silly business. I guess Arnold won't touch those issues with a 10 foot pole. Where is the Arnold we used to know who cared not about what people thought? Now he seems to be just the opposite. Heck, Arnold can help bodybuilders. Maybe he should personally buy the old Golds Gym site and restore it as a museum to bodybuilding!
Milos sounds like a guy I would enjoy talking to about gyms, bodybuilding, contests and people in the Irongame. I do hope he keeps training. It was refreshing to hear a real man speak his mind.
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Everyone spoke to the DEA, none of knew what the other said.
Milos love pointing fingers but he never looks in the mirror.
The Bed he laid in was the bed he made for himself, he didn't need my help.
Ronnie, Melvin, Nasser, Titus, Flex all the boy swere visited and spoken to.
The ones they were investigating and had cause, were called to visit Iowa via Subpeona.
If I had credible info regarding Milos Dealing, I would have been called to testify accordingly or put on record.
That being said, You really think I give a Rats Ass if Milos deals or was taking money to Dennis?
Milos is what he is and does what he does.
He didn't need my help to get: Raided, Served and Brought up on charges.
I've never witnessed Milos Dealing, so him getting Busted is because of fact finding.
If me simply saying, "He is carrying money to Thailand to buy Drugs" was a enough to get him busted, we'd all be going to jail based on Rumors. :-\
Sadly, this was not a rumor but something the DEA found credible enough to investigate and get him to cop a Plea Bargain. :'(
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You've never witnessed me dealing but you are calling me a drug dealer?
Plain and simple - investigation started as YOU TOLD Steve Seeley that I am going to Thailand with large sum of money to buy steroids!
Steve confirmed that repeatedly...and you even said to me that accidentally as you were doing cardio in my gym and you were talking to someone about me and Dennis - he overheard you saying that I am going to Thailand....etc
Truth is - he lost his job because of you...(he believed at the time that he lost it because of me - so he decided to make that call - as you told him that I am a reason he lost his job and that I am a hypocrite telling on him while I am doing the same thing!)
Problem is - I have NEVER BEEN DOING ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO "THE SAME THING"!
Face the facts Shawn.
Steve Seeley approached you during our training to ask you how his 17 year old kid can gain some muscle to play football!
He was expecting training and nutritional advice - instead you told him: PUT HIM ON DBOLL!!!
That is father of the 17 year old kid you were talking to!
Steve didn't even know what DBOLL is - but you told him that he should get some.
AFTER ALL as you used it as a teenager I can see how easy you can reccomend to others.
So much for your effort to help DEA to discourage teenagers from steroids (something you so proudly announced here on the board).
YOU OF ALL PEOPLE, TEENAGE ROID HEAD who continued to use steroids most of your life...lost officially prestigious IFBB professional title as you were cut cheating (failed the test for WINSTROL)...and someone who can suggest to 17 year old kid (or his father) to take the same thing you were using when you were 17 (or was it even before?)...you are going to be a poster child for DEA's efforts to keep drugs away from kids?
As you are fake born again and simply fake as a person - you can pass by few people but just for so long...
Sooner or later everyone learns about TRUE SHAWN RAY.
While I have no problem looking in the mirror I wonder how you can?
But than again - you have so many faces - you never know which one you are looking at.
I have been exemplary citizen of this country since I came here.
I have never committed the crime - and I was investigated because someone (Steve Seeley) called DEA to tell them what he heard from you: that Milos Sarcev is in Thailand with large sum of money buying steroids...
That is exact cause of my investigation.
Later you were also willingly accepting the agents to your house to tell them that IT IS MUCH MORE about Milos than just a steroids - which got their attention...Same thing you were telling so many people before in the Orange County area...
My name being connected with Balco was big draw of the attention - so this additional information was exactly what made everyone believe that indeed I might be involved in something.
But, what everyone soon realized (and DEA agents with prosecutor on the case) is: that I have NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WRONG DOING.
Years of investigation, surveillance of my house, subpoenaed numerous bodybuilders, questioned hundreds of people in my town and Orange County - brought NOTHING to prosecutor or agents that they could charge me with.
Distribution was NEVER even mentioned.
You keep insisting that I am a dealer when even agents or prosecutor NEVER assumed that I was.
How stupid do you look stating all that - when I couldn't even be charged with simple posesion - as agents didn't find any steroids in my house - other than ones that were LEGALY PRESCRIBED TO ME!
No possession charges, no distribution charges but YOU - IFBB pro bodybuilder, used to be athletes representative and now IFBB promoter - calling me publicly DRUG DEALER for my plea agreement for CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE?
As I explained - I have spent a lot of money on my legal defense and I had choice to make at the end.
I could have gone to the court (MY ORIGINAL PLAN - before I spent close to 100K defending myself - FOR DOING NOTHING!) but I decided to pass the trial and save my family from another 100 or 200 K in lawyers fees - just to prove my innocence.
I think that it is MORE THAN CLEAR when someone in FEDERAL CASE gets a spank on the wrist and UNSUPERVISED PROBATION WITH NO JAIL TIME AND LITTLE PENALTY - that government realized THEY HAVE A WRONG MAN.
The real man they could have been looking for invited them to their house...but that is another story.
YOU CAUSED ME THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION as you suggested to someone that I was bringing steroids from Thailand (therefore implicating Dennis as well). That someone called DEA and my investigation started...
Nothing was found in my house, my gym, in testimony of all the above mentioned athletes you so proudly named...
Nothing could have EVER BE FOUND because I never did ANYTHING that I could have regretted.
I pleaded guilty to single Email where I was clearly mentioning several steroids that I needed for my 2003 NOC competition...
As it was explained to me - in trial jury only needed to be convinced that I was indeed talking to someone about possibly obtaining some steroids.
That is CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE charge anyway.
Again - I want to point out that YOU SHAWN keep bringing here on this board that I am a drug dealer.
I gave you the opportunity - tell the world what have I done that you would have the right to call me a drug dealer?
Ant to top it off - how many IFBB pros would get away with only CONSPIRACY charges if their computers were taken away from them?
How about you Shawn?
Or you are still suggesting you never took anything or advised anyone to take anything - as well?
I have three words for you: BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!
Hallelujah!
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Chick speaks well,as for the milos comeback I guess no time soon it was as if he thought it was a mistake to make that claim but if he sells more videos I guess it worked.Now the one thing I took from that radio statement is any guy who allows anybody to use their bank account to hold a load of money four years from wages from IFBB enough to buy a nice home in Thailand has no concern about IRS or Tax statements.Must have a great accountant.IMO.
Miss Karen - Dennis claims his taxes and every penny that he made.
His accountant is same as mine.
Weider organisation couldn't send his paycheck to Thailand - so I was depositing his Weider paycheck for him in his US account (like so many others people do).
Nothing stinky or illegal.
It is private and nobody should have talked about it - but due to Shawn now everybody knows...
My comeback is also in question due to nothing else but MY PRIORITIES - as I said on the show.
I just sign Nutritional Supplementation contract and as formulator of the ALL upcoming supplement formulations - I am quite busy...
However - I did say that I might even compete as early as the very next IFBB pro show (Texas)...as I am in close to a contest shape for quite some time now...
Selling videos is the last thing on my list of priorities...
It is ABSOLUTELY GREAT DVD that I would suggest to absolutely everyone - but I never did it to make money on it...
It started as FREE webcast on bodybuilding.com - as I only wanted to HELP EVERYONE...
As makers of that DVD (Fitshow) needed some finances - I allowed them to make the DVD and sell it world wide...
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More Power to you Shawn you make alot of sense and are one of the most Decent in the so called sport.God Bless.
He makes so much sense?
As much as the senseless penguin I would say...but than again - he always finds few people that he can fool for some time...
He doesnt have a D in DECENT... ;)
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what kind of asshole charges $350 for personal training?
oh wait!
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what kind of asshole charges $350 for personal training?
oh wait!
It must be a kind that knows what he is talking about when people are willing to pay for it.
Oh wait - you must be a doctor making only $250/hour?
Live is tuff - sorry...
Keep training with mediocre results as you are too cheep to invest some cash and learn something for change.
How long has been since you changed your program?
Did you say - you never really changed it...? I am surprised ::)
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You've never witnessed me dealing but you are calling me a drug dealer?
Plain and simple - investigation started as YOU TOLD Steve Seeley that I am going to Thailand with large sum of money to buy steroids!
Steve confirmed that repeatedly...and you even said to me that accidentally as you were doing cardio in my gym and you were talking to someone about me and Dennis - he overheard you saying that I am going to Thailand....etc
Truth is - he lost his job because of you...(he believed at the time that he lost it because of me - so he decided to make that call - as you told him that I am a reason he lost his job and that I am a hypocrite telling on him while I am doing the same thing!)
Problem is - I have NEVER BEEN DOING ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO "THE SAME THING"!
Face the facts Shawn.
Steve Seeley approached you during our training to ask you how his 17 year old kid can gain some muscle to play football!
He was expecting training and nutritional advice - instead you told him: PUT HIM ON DBOLL!!!
That is father of the 17 year old kid you were talking to!
Steve didn't even know what DBOLL is - but you told him that he should get some.
AFTER ALL as you used it as a teenager I can see how easy you can reccomend to others.
So much for your effort to help DEA to discourage teenagers from steroids (something you so proudly announced here on the board).
YOU OF ALL PEOPLE, TEENAGE ROID HEAD who continued to use steroids most of your life...lost officially prestigious IFBB professional title as you were cut cheating (failed the test for WINSTROL)...and someone who can suggest to 17 year old kid (or his father) to take the same thing you were using when you were 17 (or was it even before?)...you are going to be a poster child for DEA's efforts to keep drugs away from kids?
As you are fake born again and simply fake as a person - you can pass by few people but just for so long...
Sooner or later everyone learns about TRUE SHAWN RAY.
While I have no problem looking in the mirror I wonder how you can?
But than again - you have so many faces - you never know which one you are looking at.
I have been exemplary citizen of this country since I came here.
I have never committed the crime - and I was investigated because someone (Steve Seeley) called DEA to tell them what he heard from you: that Milos Sarcev is in Thailand with large sum of money buying steroids...
That is exact cause of my investigation.
Later you were also willingly accepting the agents to your house to tell them that IT IS MUCH MORE about Milos than just a steroids - which got their attention...Same thing you were telling so many people before in the Orange County area...
My name being connected with Balco was big draw of the attention - so this additional information was exactly what made everyone believe that indeed I might be involved in something.
But, what everyone soon realized (and DEA agents with prosecutor on the case) is: that I have NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WRONG DOING.
Years of investigation, surveillance of my house, subpoenaed numerous bodybuilders, questioned hundreds of people in my town and Orange County - brought NOTHING to prosecutor or agents that they could charge me with.
Distribution was NEVER even mentioned.
You keep insisting that I am a dealer when even agents or prosecutor NEVER assumed that I was.
How stupid do you look stating all that - when I couldn't even be charged with simple posesion - as agents didn't find any steroids in my house - other than ones that were LEGALY PRESCRIBED TO ME!
No possession charges, no distribution charges but YOU - IFBB pro bodybuilder, used to be athletes representative and now IFBB promoter - calling me publicly DRUG DEALER for my plea agreement for CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE?
As I explained - I have spent a lot of money on my legal defense and I had choice to make at the end.
I could have gone to the court (MY ORIGINAL PLAN - before I spent close to 100K defending myself - FOR DOING NOTHING!) but I decided to pass the trial and save my family from another 100 or 200 K in lawyers fees - just to prove my innocence.
I think that it is MORE THAN CLEAR when someone in FEDERAL CASE gets a spank on the wrist and UNSUPERVISED PROBATION WITH NO JAIL TIME AND LITTLE PENALTY - that government realized THEY HAVE A WRONG MAN.
The real man they could have been looking for invited them to their house...but that is another story.
YOU CAUSED ME THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION as you suggested to someone that I was bringing steroids from Thailand (therefore implicating Dennis as well). That someone called DEA and my investigation started...
Nothing was found in my house, my gym, in testimony of all the above mentioned athletes you so proudly named...
Nothing could have EVER BE FOUND because I never did ANYTHING that I could have regretted.
I pleaded guilty to single Email where I was clearly mentioning several steroids that I needed for my 2003 NOC competition...
As it was explained to me - in trial jury only needed to be convinced that I was indeed talking to someone about possibly obtaining some steroids.
That is CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE charge anyway.
Again - I want to point out that YOU SHAWN keep bringing here on this board that I am a drug dealer.
I gave you the opportunity - tell the world what have I done that you would have the right to call me a drug dealer?
Ant to top it off - how many IFBB pros would get away with only CONSPIRACY charges if their computers were taken away from them?
How about you Shawn?
Or you are still suggesting you never took anything or advised anyone to take anything - as well?
I have three words for you: BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!
Hallelujah!
OH MY GOD, Milos!!! That was absolutely beautiful!!!!!
Lisa
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From what you have written, Milos, it appears that Shawn Ray has libelled and slandered you. I know you realize how expensive going to court is but those are serious charges you made to Shawn and I suppose he made serious charges or implications about you. There is no possible way this business or dispute can be settled online. That both sides can present their stories is about as good as it gets. The internet is not a good place to try to get justice. However, it is refreshing to hear those involved speak candidly about this sordid business. It reminds me of one of my favourite sayings: "Trust in God, but tie your camel!" That comes from Islam and encourages us to be wary of human beings. I think your story reinforces that excellent advice. I don't suppose Shawn will be training at your gym in the future......
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I don't charge for giving my members information about training. If other professional gym owners want to charge for their advice and others are willing to pay the fees then I see nothing wrong with doing that. Psychiatrists charge heaps of money and I wonder how good their advice is? At least guys like Milos have vast experience inside the advanced bodybuilding world so have something valuable to contribute. Some write books and others prefer to do seminars or do other one on one things with clients to transmit information. Goodness knows there is a lot of stuff to learn about the body and hypertrophy. Contest preparation is another science/art that some possess and others are willing to pay for. Good luck to those who can make a living out of bodybuilding. I do hope that the information they give is worthy and valid but that is a chance people take who are willing to give experts money instead of doing the research themselves.
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I don't charge for giving my members information about training. If other professional gym owners want to charge for their advice and others are willing to pay the fees then I see nothing wrong with doing that. Psychiatrists charge heaps of money and I wonder how good their advice is? At least guys like Milos have vast experience inside the advanced bodybuilding world so have something valuable to contribute. Some write books and others prefer to do seminars or do other one on one things with clients to transmit information. Goodness knows there is a lot of stuff to learn about the body and hypertrophy. Contest preparation is another science/art that some possess and others are willing to pay for. Good luck to those who can make a living out of bodybuilding. I do hope that the information they give is worthy and valid but that is a chance people take who are willing to give experts money instead of doing the research themselves.
Could you post some of your ideas on training on the training board, and a typical training layout.
I remember how your theories used to be somewhat tough to penetrate, perhaps you've fine tuned the rhetoric some?
And how's it going with the biceps machine and other machines?
YIP
Zack
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Milos.......Back away from the Boards with your Hands up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
MONSTER M E L T D O W N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
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Hi Zack. I have been attacked on every board where I have posted my theories about hypertrophy. Not a single person believes what I say might be true. The so-called scientific sites are the worst. There are so many bodybuilding experts out there but almost none of them have a theory about hypertrophy. A few that do have or did have like Mike Mentzer were probably wrong about some things. At best most experts can get some gains from subjects but I don't think anyone can claim success with all students and clients. I sort of reverse engineered a strategy. Come to think of it our Milos here disputed that I had anything to offer guys like him and dismissed what I had to say about training arms. I don't think he completely comprehended my approach and I understand how sceptical many get when involved around the gym scene for years. I have been around since 1959 so guys like Milos and Chick are young compared to me. Sure, both have built bigger bodies but my approach has been natural for the most part. No trophy is worth ruining my health for. Putting oil or other things into my body to enhance my physique is cheating and unethical. I understand why some do this. It is not right and some have come to grief using those shortcuts. It turns out they didn't help anyone that much and ruined some good bodybuilders. Some guys have trouble building arms and others have problems with calves. If anyone lacks either of these areas he cannot win a contest. So that is why some do those crazy things to compensate for what they cannot acquire through training. That is not bodybuilding but insanity.
My biceps machine is complete now. I modified it for the last time a few months ago and now it is the most complex machine ever installed in a gym that I am aware of. It has 21 pulleys, three counterweights, adjustable backrest and seat, adjustable foot rest, adjustable pads at the back of the arms which go forward and back and sideways and also rotate. The handles are self-adjusting and angled to be less stressful on the wrists. Each weight stack has quarter discs so there are many selections one can make regarding resistance. There are two weight stacks. This really is an amazing machine. Maybe one day I might post photos somewhere. You would think the magazines would be interested. For some reason I have never been featured in any bodybuilding magazine but I think I am unique in being a champion bodybuilder who owns his own gym and has an engineering factory to build gym equipment. I have taken photos published in the magazines and have written articles. I guess I have to promote myself more. Essentially you have two forces that target the biceps. One is the flexion and the other is supination or twisting of the wrists.
My other machines are serving the members well. They have so many machines in the gym that there is seldom any waiting for machines. I keep upgrading machines and even improve some of my Nautilus machines. The guys keep demanding more machines. So do the women! It is endless.
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Milos.......Back away from the Boards with your Hands up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
MONSTER M E L T D O W N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Monster meltdown? ::)
Shawn - you heard a saying WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND?
You've been playing with your luck too much lately - you just might hear "your hands up" one of these days... ;)
It was extreme pleasure telling what POS you really are :-*.
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MILOS!!! BRAVO!!! Tell this Born again Son of the Devil what's up! It's like the good book says:
"...every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."
He can say he is whatever he wants but his deeds give him away.
Milos and everyone else... notice how he calls meltdown like a good juvenile idiot but really has nothing to say in response.
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the difference is details and real explanations vs. garbage.
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Yea I guess Shawn has earned his reputation of a rat by telling the truth. I'd induce a meltdown on him but my posts would just disappear.
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From what you have written, Milos, it appears that Shawn Ray has libelled and slandered you. I know you realize how expensive going to court is but those are serious charges you made to Shawn and I suppose he made serious charges or implications about you. There is no possible way this business or dispute can be settled online. That both sides can present their stories is about as good as it gets. The internet is not a good place to try to get justice. However, it is refreshing to hear those involved speak candidly about this sordid business. It reminds me of one of my favourite sayings: "Trust in God, but tie your camel!" That comes from Islam and encourages us to be wary of human beings. I think your story reinforces that excellent advice. I don't suppose Shawn will be training at your gym in the future......
Thank you Vince,
You are not the first one to suggest to me that I could start legal action against Shawn...(someone from Weider office already did)...
I am just giving him some more rope and don't be surprised if you see him hang himself some time soon.
While the INTERNET isn't the best place for this kind of topic - I know that boards send the message loud and clear.
Many people in the sport read these pages and I am glad to share with everyone EXACTLY what had happened and what kind of person Shawn really is.
Point in my whole story (case) was:
some reputable people (Multiline Fitness) purchased my gym on March 2003 and told me they would appreciate if I will inform them about any steroid dealings (if any?).
Their hired manager asks for steroids and I informed them about it...
Manager gets fired and calls DEA on me...
In the mean time - what really happened:
manager (Steve Seeley) asks Shawn for some advice how to put some muscle on his 17 year old son.
Shawn without any hesitation suggests STEROIDS to father of this teen.
Father (Steve Seeley) doesn't even know what DBOL is - so he next day returns to ask Shawn if he got him that DBOL he was talking about...
Shawn tells me that "this fool is asking me for dbol again..." on which I decide to tell the owners that their chosen manger in two days came on the gym floor two times asking for steroids and I told them who he have asked - Shawn Ray...Something that they should investigate - for the sake of their business that just started.
I respected their zero tolerance for steroids and I wanted to inform them about what had just happened.
LOOKING BACK: I should have asked that manager (Steve Seeley) directly - what occurred in his conversation with Shawn...but I didn't.
I took Shawn's word for it (Shawn failed to mention: he asked me what he should suggest to his son to put the weight on and I told him to take steroids...Instead Shawn bluntly told me - this fool is looking for steroids (his EXACT words in both occasions/ two consecutive days/)
I understand that when Steve got fired from his job and he confronted Shawn (I was in Thailand already) - and he told him that reason he lost his job was because "Milos rated you out and that hypocrite is now in Thailand buying steroids" - he wanted to get me back and called the DEA...
I have no problem with that. Customs were alarmed and they were waiting for me (expecting that I will have steroids?)...I was searched and questioned (and I still am to this day - as I am flagged on their computers - so every time I leave the country in the last three years - I am getting THE SPECIAL TREATMENT when I return...but that is another story). Of course, customs couldn't find anything EVER - as I would never bring steroids to US...
Steve came to my gym year later and told me everything - apologising. I gave him a job in my gym (for a while) and forgave him for what he had done to me.
But Shawn continues to clearly implicates MY GUILT, calling me a DRUG DEALER etc...insisting that I am certainly guilty of something. Even when my case was dismissed instead of being happy for me (God for bid) he was immediately calling me OJ...("just because you are proclaimed innocent doesn't mean you are - right OJ?"- Shawn's words...
Of course even during the investigation he would be posting here on board (when my guest posing pictures from Puerto Rico got posted on the Internet) that I am juicing and "looking at the pictures you are on boat load of drugs" comment - on which I warned him that it would be wise NOT to say anything of that nature about someone who is being investigated in the federal case...on which he just started adding MORE instead of stopping (wonder what were his motives?)...etc..etc...
Truth is: I would have NEVER been investigated IF Shawn didn't encourage Steve to make that call and WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT: if Shawn didn't say to the DEA agents what he had told them when they came to visit him first time and than other times as well (agents loved to chat with rat...as stinking rat always had something to say - just like he has here on this board).
Shawn also implicated Dennis and told many stories about him as well (suitcase full of stuff he witnessed in his room...etc...etc).
Dennis LOST his $240000.00 nutritional company's contract as a result of the investigation...
Both - Dennis and I lost incredible amount of money as a direct reason of this investigation.
Out of all people getbigers can confirm that Shawn more than once implicated that he knows that I am guilty and that I am certainly a DEALER...
If he doesn't hesitate to tell the world what he thinks imagine what he had to say to the agents?
He is the EXACT reason of my investigation - as I mentioned few months ago - and now Vince (as you suggested) I revealed the whole case.
I don't mind being judged...as I said many times - I stand behind everything that I do.
My name was being mentioned around the world so many times as being the drug dealer - for what?
For Shawn's irresponsible action few years back...which is continuing even now - as he continues to claim that I am guilty?
So this is just a start - for everyone to see WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
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There is nothing more to say Gibberj2....Milos talks sooo fake some times its repulsive.
Jae - I did tell you what I think of you and I stay behind it 100%.
I never even tried to say anything for you to like me (I don't need that)...and really I care less what you think of me also...but I wonder how and why do you find me fake and a lier?
One thing I am proud of is - my honesty.
I don't mind putting people (like you) in their place (and that is basement - where you spend your days...as we have already established that) - but when someone calls someone else a lier and fake - I would at least expect to see what am I lying about?
Maybe I can help you and answer something that sounds fake to you?
That will be my good deed for today ;D
Any sun out there on the East coast?
How is your tan?
Did you do your 15 (or was it all out 14?) push-ups this morning?
How about sit-ups?
It would sure be nice if you can come out of the basement and go to some gym... ;D
Oh, don't forget - you have one month free pass in Koloseum Gym (with free tanning...)
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"Birds of a feather stick together" He doesn't need proof you're a liar he just takes the side of others who are like him.
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Jae - I did tell you what I think of you and I stay behind it 100%.
I never even tried to say anything for you to like me (I don't need that)...and really I care less what you think of me also...but I wonder how and why do you find me fake and a lier?
One thing I am proud of is - my honesty.
I don't mind putting people (like you) in their place (and that is basement - where you spend your days...as we have already established that) - but when someone calls someone else a lier and fake - I would at least expect to see what am I lying about?
Maybe I can help you and answer something that sounds fake to you?
That will be my good deed for today ;D
Any sun out there on the East coast?
How is your tan?
Did you do your 15 (or was it all out 14?) push-ups this morning?
How about sit-ups?
It would sure be nice if you can come out of the basement and go to some gym... ;D
Oh, don't forget - you have one month free pass in Koloseum Gym (with free tanning...)
Isn't that 4 pushups more than you can do!
Anyways I agree with Milos' responce to Shawn. Shawn has nothing to say because that is the truth. Good going Milos I repect you more as a human being now.
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If I get out to Cali, I will take you up on the Free Pass!! i already printed the screen for proof.
I am tanner than your wife Milmar, I too am filopino and have been out on the weekends and my girlfreind used to work at a tanning salon so I go with her when I can( only for 10 minutes)...
I am dedicating my Mr. GetBig performance to you my freind. I know we do not get along but Im just calling it as I see it. I hope we can continue more civil dialouge, I too am trying to improve on my weaknesses and have been in the wrong sometimes.
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Isn't that 4 pushups more than you can do!
Anyways I agree with Milos' responce to Shawn. Shawn has nothing to say because that is the truth. Good going Milos I repect you more as a human being now.
I respectfully disagree with you my friend and brother in iron Alexxx. I think the opposite, cause shawn doesnt have to go into details makes him sound more truthful than someone trying to drown out the main point with arbitary dialogue. Plus, with all the lawsuit stuff flying around..why would S.Ray go out on a limb and say such accusations if there wasnt an iota of truth behind it.
To milos, I really dont care what a person does in the privacy of their own home and never was one to point the finger, but dont you think that you should just let it go. You already paid the 10000 buck, why even discuss it then ? To clear your name to us (the trolls) or other Bodybuilders who obviously wouldnt care cause they have to obtain illegal drugs anyway.
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If I get out to Cali, I will take you up on the Free Pass!! i already printed the screen for proof.
I am tanner than your wife Milmar, I too am filopino and have been out on the weekends and my girlfreind used to work at a tanning salon so I go with her when I can( only for 10 minutes)...
I am dedicating my Mr. GetBig performance to you my freind. I know we do not get along but Im just calling it as I see it. I hope we can continue more civil dialouge, I too am trying to improve on my weaknesses and have been in the wrong sometimes.
Hope to continue more civil dialogue?
Tell me when did I cross the line?
I am ALWAYS FOR friendly and encouraging dialogue - but regardless of what I say - you take it against me.
Well, being FILIPINO tells me a lot - you people keep the grudges and never forget or forgive...
I also have no problem that someone doesn't trust me...but if you are calling me a lier - (I hope that you will agree) - tell me what do you think I am lying about - so maybe I can give you some more arguments and proofs.
My honor and my word is everything to me (contrary to some people - and you all know WHO I am thinking about)...
So, even though I can't please everyone - I at least try to be friendly, honest and understanding - with everyone (until they bluntly cross the line)...
Magandang umaga Jae, kamusta ka?
Ano ang pangalan mo?
Taga saan ka?
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I respectfully disagree with you my friend and brother in iron Alexxx. I think the opposite, cause shawn doesnt have to go into details makes him sound more truthful than someone trying to drown out the main point with arbitary dialogue. Plus, with all the lawsuit stuff flying around..why would S.Ray go out on a limb and say such accusations if there wasnt an iota of truth behind it.
To milos, I really dont care what a person does in the privacy of their own home and never was one to point the finger, but dont you think that you should just let it go. You already paid the 10000 buck, why even discuss it then ? To clear your name to us (the trolls) or other Bodybuilders who obviously wouldnt care cause they have to obtain illegal drugs anyway.
I respect your opinion - you are entitled to one.
Now, let me ask you - why do you think I would even say anything at this point?
My case is over and during the investigation I wasn't really allowed to speak.
In the mean time I was slandered over and over again and being called DRUG DEALER - from even someone like Shawn (IFBB professional, my ex training partner, someone I was welcoming to my gym (and a house) and whom I was visiting in his home...being in his wedding, house parties, Christmas gatherings...etc)
As much as you don't want to believe that I am innocent - think about FEDERAL system.
How many federal cases ended up as the misdemeanor? (last time I checked was ONE in the thousand...)
I am professional bodybuilder that is certainly connected with AS - due to the nature of my job.
While I have never done anything illegal (sell, distribute...etc) I was in position that I had to use certain AS for my competitions (also for some medical reasons - for which I obtained AS legally through US doctors to treat my conditions - but I don't want to talk about private stuff.../hope you understand/).
As I was flagged feds started investigating me - which I have no problem...
IF I was doing ANYTHING I would sure be behind the bars as we speak - as feds do their work and find everything there is to find - IF ANY!
So, what I am saying is - I have no doubts that I would have been in whole lot of trouble IF indeed I was even the smallest kind of dealer.
Hundreds (if not thousands of people) were interviewed and questioned - and IF ANYTHING was questionable - I would be writing you from some prison as we speak.
You are insisting in PLEA AGREEMENT being sign of my guilt.
First after all that investigation feds didn't have a single piece of evidence to charge me with neither possession or intent to distribute...
Distribution was NEVER THE CASE...
After millions spent - they simply wouldn't just let me go - as they had to get at least moral victory.
They have found ONE EMAIL (I already talked about it) which was used as leverage to get me to agree to something - as I was going to go on the trial NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION (please focus on this) but for CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY.
I repeated this many times as it is SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
It is like somebody is charging me with speeding ticket and world suggests that I killed somebody!!!
My charge was not killing (distribution) it was only a speeding ticket (conspiracy to poses)...
Only calculative A-Holes like SHAWN continues to confuse the two and rather implicate that I was indeed "suspected killer" while I was in reality just irresponsible driver...
Conspiracy to poses means exactly this:
Prosecutor wouldn't need to even prove that I have received anything (I was never charged with possession as I claimed so many times) - he would only had to prove to jury that I was THINKING OF GETTING SOMETHING.
In my Email that prosecutor presented to my lawyer (by the way Rick Collins IS THE BEST) I mentioned to someone (you can guess who) that I needed FEW things (and I mentioned exact names of those products) for my next competition (2003 NOC).
In the trial prosecutor could call expert witness and ask if names of those products are indeed AS...and if answer is yes - than it would be fair to assume that I was thinking about getting AS - and jury could find me guilty of "thinking about getting/conspiracy to poses for personal use"...
THAT IS MY GUILT.
Problem is that Shawn brought this investigation on me - not me like he said...
Should I ask WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if any other (ALL?) IFBB pros would have been investigated?
If any of us had ever think-ed about getting something - every single one of us would face at least the same charges I was facing (and I would stop there as I don't need to mention anything else).
Now, can you answer me WHY do you think Shawn goes on board and continues to attack me?
If he has ANY EVIDENCE that I am a dealer - I am even giving him blessing to post it here for everyone (including feds) to see...
While any reasonable man (especially IFBB pro) would keep his mouth shut - Shawn is opening his mouth as hard as he can...
He is either NOT thinking at all or what is worse HE IS THINKING A LOT AND HE HAS HIS MOTIVES TO GET ME IN TROUBLE...
Why is that Shawn?
Plans to get my gym from me (for next to nothing) didn't work so far... ;)
Planing behind my back with my ex business partner (MB) didn't work...
Few others already informed me about your plans "when Milos looses his gym..."
You are lowest of the low...(being short is nothing to be ashamed of...being lowest of the low (human being) is...)
To Jae:
I am not clearing my name to you or anyone...I don't need to.
Also when I am at the subject to me "the trolls" (as you call it) are just as important as the IFBB pros or doctors or engineers...or homeless people.
I don't judge people for what they are - but WHO they are.
There are wonderful people all over the world - and that's who I am talking to - EVERY DAY...with my extreme pleasure.
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You are a much better man than I initial thought Milos, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions without reducing the dialouge to insults (which i am guilty of doing all the time). Sometimes a person needs some convincing, and you have done that for me. I wasnt aware the you obtained your AS through doctors prescription so for that I apologize. I dont hold grudges and wish you the best in the future. I am a Milos fan again!!
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Bla Bla Bla...........The more you talk, the more Guilty you sound of your Plea bargain Agreement. :o
Let it go, isn't there some BBers you can be a Model Guru to? ???
Dont forget, I know what you do for these guys, just haven't gone on record Publically with it. :P
YES, Flex would have a few things to say about what you advised him of doing and taking too, remember. :-*
Continue with your Long Winded Responses, I love them!
Where's Judge Judy? ;D
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Bla Bla Bla...........The more you talk, the more Guilty you sound of your Plea bargain Agreement. :o
Let it go, isn't there some BBers you can be a Model Guru to? ???
Dont forget, I know what you do for these guys, just haven't gone on record Publically with it. :P
YES, Flex would have a few things to say about what you advised him of doing and taking too, remember. :-*
Continue with your Long Winded Responses, I love them!
Where's Judge Judy? ;D
Milos is talking specific facts and examples.
Shawn is telling jokes and insulting Milos.
I'd have to believe that Milos' argument holds more substance and credibility here.
No saints in this sport, of course not. But it sounds like Shawn's loose lips caused a mess and now he's trying to justify it. Best way to end it is with a phone call to milos, apologize for putting the mess in motion, and getting on with your life.
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I don't charge for giving my members information about training. If other professional gym owners want to charge for their advice and others are willing to pay the fees then I see nothing wrong with doing that. Psychiatrists charge heaps of money and I wonder how good their advice is? At least guys like Milos have vast experience inside the advanced bodybuilding world so have something valuable to contribute. Some write books and others prefer to do seminars or do other one on one things with clients to transmit information. Goodness knows there is a lot of stuff to learn about the body and hypertrophy. Contest preparation is another science/art that some possess and others are willing to pay for. Good luck to those who can make a living out of bodybuilding. I do hope that the information they give is worthy and valid but that is a chance people take who are willing to give experts money instead of doing the research themselves.
Vince I salute you for NOT charging your members for information about training and I will confess to you that I don't charge many of my members either...but sometime you have to draw a line.
If you are providing first class service or information - there is NO REASON to do it for free - other than IF you just want to give back to community (people)...
But, as usually goes when you give finger people want hand and when you give hand they want arm...and so on...
I started by helping ALL THE PROS FOR FREE - and it consumed so much time that I had to forget about my paying clients as I was giving the priority to non-paying professionals (that more often than not actually coast me money to help them!?!)...
But - I did it because I wanted and not because I have to.
Still, as you can imagine - you can help 100 people and 101st will be someone like MESO (on this board) who would just rudely expect something for free and when you don't give it - you are labeled A-hole...that only thinks of money and never gives back to comunity...
Other problem is also when you do charge someone and than you do the same for free for someone else - than first person gets offended that he/she had to pay while someone got the same service FREE OF CHARGE...
And circle goes on...
As you can see even on this thread one of my fans calls me an A-HOLE as I am charging $350/session...
My sister (laparoscopic abdominal surgeon and medical university professor) doesn't make that in one month in my native country of Serbia...but she is happy for me that I can charge that kind of fee - without ever comparing our knowledge, status, amount of work...etc...
A lot of WISE people pay for information - don't be afraid to charge it - I am sure you have A LOT TO GIVE.
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I wouldn't waste my dime calling Milos ::)
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Bla Bla Bla...........The more you talk, the more Guilty you sound of your Plea bargain Agreement. :o
Let it go, isn't there some BBers you can be a Model Guru to? ???
Dont forget, I know what you do for these guys, just haven't gone on record Publically with it. :P
YES, Flex would have a few things to say about what you advised him of doing and taking too, remember. :-*
Continue with your Long Winded Responses, I love them!
Where's Judge Judy? ;D
More guilty I sound? It is great that you see it that way ;D ;D ;D
Guilty of what I asked you before and I am asking you again?
Flex and OTHERS could have a lot to say - as me GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION...and nothing else.
This is on record publically - or you are implying AGAIN that you know SOMETHING that I should worry about?
I am glad that you like my long responses - try to answer few questions and accusations for change.
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I wouldn't waste my dime calling Milos ::)
I wouldn't waste a penny on you for that matter. You are not worth even that... ;)
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orangthorpe/st college. ill set up the ring side
seats.. how about it milos, shawn :P
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"Birds of a feather stick together"
It's FLOCK together Her. Goebbels.
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Milos, altough it's obvious that Shawn is snake, you my friend are far from being innocent. It's amazing how you come on here and claim that you are not guilty.
there is no doubt that you did (and probably do) sell special supplements. I dont want to go in to details, while I know that you will insist. But no need for that. Weiberger hates as well as many others in the sport and thats for a reason. You became a guru after retirement but it's interesting how none of your guys really made an impact. Well Gustavo does well, but thats about it. Heiko, Luke, Dennis looked better without your help. In fact Dennis looked much better that year he hooked up with Chad.
But really why do you come on here defending yourself, while it's becoming more obvious that you are guilty.
Just drop it man, before you really piss someone off with your "honesty" and they spill the beans.
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Funny, all your boys dont like you:
Gustavo
Mustafa
ME
You fight with:
Weinberger
Manion
CHAD
Dorian
The Wall
The Board members.
Get alife your 43, move on already........... :-\
Give it a rest and fill that EMPTY Gym of your with some members :-*
I'm done, this guy could argue with the Dead and still feel the need to plead Innocent! ::)
PLEA BARGAIN, yea that is the same as Innocent..........Please ;)
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Funny, all your boys dont like you:
Gustavo
Mustafa
ME
You fight with:
Weinberger
Manion
CHAD
Dorian
The Wall
The Board members.
Get alife your 43, move on already........... :-\
Give it a rest and fill that EMPTY Gym of your with some members :-*
I'm done, this guy could argue with the Dead and still feel the need to plead Innocent! ::)
PLEA BARGAIN, yea that is the same as Innocent..........Please ;)
Shawn,
Gustavo isn't still working with Milos? Gustavo is looking at his best since he started with Milos. Strange that he would stop working with him.
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Do the math, the guy winds up fighting with arguing with or hating everyone he works with at sometime or another, he Meltsdown. :-[
Gustavo is better off, as I am and the rest of the guys he keeps pointing fingers at. :-*
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Hi Zack. I have been attacked on every board where I have posted my theories about hypertrophy. Not a single person believes what I say might be true. The so-called scientific sites are the worst. There are so many bodybuilding experts out there but almost none of them have a theory about hypertrophy. A few that do have or did have like Mike Mentzer were probably wrong about some things. At best most experts can get some gains from subjects but I don't think anyone can claim success with all students and clients. I sort of reverse engineered a strategy. Come to think of it our Milos here disputed that I had anything to offer guys like him and dismissed what I had to say about training arms. I don't think he completely comprehended my approach and I understand how sceptical many get when involved around the gym scene for years. I have been around since 1959 so guys like Milos and Chick are young compared to me. Sure, both have built bigger bodies but my approach has been natural for the most part. No trophy is worth ruining my health for. Putting oil or other things into my body to enhance my physique is cheating and unethical. I understand why some do this. It is not right and some have come to grief using those shortcuts. It turns out they didn't help anyone that much and ruined some good bodybuilders. Some guys have trouble building arms and others have problems with calves. If anyone lacks either of these areas he cannot win a contest. So that is why some do those crazy things to compensate for what they cannot acquire through training. That is not bodybuilding but insanity.
My biceps machine is complete now. I modified it for the last time a few months ago and now it is the most complex machine ever installed in a gym that I am aware of. It has 21 pulleys, three counterweights, adjustable backrest and seat, adjustable foot rest, adjustable pads at the back of the arms which go forward and back and sideways and also rotate. The handles are self-adjusting and angled to be less stressful on the wrists. Each weight stack has quarter discs so there are many selections one can make regarding resistance. There are two weight stacks. This really is an amazing machine. Maybe one day I might post photos somewhere. You would think the magazines would be interested. For some reason I have never been featured in any bodybuilding magazine but I think I am unique in being a champion bodybuilder who owns his own gym and has an engineering factory to build gym equipment. I have taken photos published in the magazines and have written articles. I guess I have to promote myself more. Essentially you have two forces that target the biceps. One is the flexion and the other is supination or twisting of the wrists.
My other machines are serving the members well. They have so many machines in the gym that there is seldom any waiting for machines. I keep upgrading machines and even improve some of my Nautilus machines. The guys keep demanding more machines. So do the women! It is endless.
Great to hear that you finally got your biceps machine pieced together. Been working at it for quite awhile, you have. Congrats on the success.
I recently interviewed a track and field coach, who told me that the biggest frustration and at the same time biggest inspiration to him, was how little we actually know about training (sprint training in his case).
He made the comparison on the extreme feats and great physiques of the athletes in the ancient Olympics, and how small steps we've been able to take from there.
Now, it would be interesting to see a typical training layout for both a newbie and someone who's an experienced lifter.
And also, it would be very interesting to see where you think there are flaws in traditional training layouts.
No need to get scientific and throw references a la the HST board. Just shoot straight from the hip.
YIP
Zack
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Yea... what a dirtbag. What's the proof that Milos is a drug dealer... nothing you say has anything to do with what's going on. what a mental child.
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Being a gym owner is a difficult profession. You have long hours, huge expenses and hardly any return. I have had bodybuilders ask about steroids in the past. They wanted to know my opinion. I sent some to a sports doctor. It became clear later that almost every person who asked about steroids were already using them and were just asking to get some feedback about them. I know almost nothing about these substances. I doubt anyone else does, either. There are lots of beliefs out there but very little of what I would call knowledge. So it is no surprize that professional bodybuilders would be considered experts re steroids and other substances used in bodybuilding. If some people want to pay for this information then it is probably better than listening to guys who sell stuff on the black market. I have seen young kids get gynocomastia from listening to dopes. It really is pathetic and sad. Then the various governments made these chemicals illegal and all of a sudden people were breaking the law. I have no idea where anyone gets these drugs but where there is a demand there will be a supply. I have always believed that there is an insider group that shares information about drugs and the wider bodybuilding community knows nothing about it. Over the years I have had to guard against people selling steroids to members. Even when you are vigilant some will penetrate the gym and sell to those who are users. Oh, we all think we know who is using but I don't ask because I don't want to know. That is a decision that each bodybuilder has to make. I do know that a few of my really big guys are natural and resent anyone saying they take drugs. It seems if you get big enough people will accuse you of taking drugs.
So I can only imagine what I would do if anyone said I provided drugs to anyone in my gym or elsewhere. I have intergrity but you know it can be damaging when some make false statements. Some of the mud might stick and real damage can be done. On this board we find a professional making statements about another professional. How on earth is anyone supposed to know what the facts are? One person is saying he is innocent of all charges and is going out of his way to state facts about statements, people, etc. That is what an innocent person would do. It is also what a clever person might do. There is no way to establish if anyone is telling the complete truth. What is clear is that statements can cause damage to the reputations and character of others. I think it is not wise to make personal statements about other people online. I admire the candidness of Milos. Shawn, too, is fearless. We have a stalemate here but as it stands Shawn has to demonstate his charges or apologize to Milos for past trespasses. Shawn does not deny doing what Milos states he did. I suppose Shawn has a position, too, but knows it is foolish to use the internet to do that sort of thing.
In the meantime what is any reader to believe? I suppose that depends on who you know. It takes a very brave person to challenge someone else to state what he knows that the other was supposed to have done. Only a very confident person could do that. Let us hope that this confidence is based on integrity and honesty. I think without any evidence to the contrary that we should accept that Milos is telling the truth. It is one thing to believe things and quite another to have specific evidence of wrongdoing.
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Milos, altough it's obvious that Shawn is snake, you my friend are far from being innocent. It's amazing how you come on here and claim that you are not guilty.
there is no doubt that you did (and probably do) sell special supplements. I don't want to go in to details, while I know that you will insist. But no need for that. Weiberger hates as well as many others in the sport and thats for a reason. You became a guru after retirement but it's interesting how none of your guys really made an impact. Well Gustavo does well, but thats about it. Heiko, Luke, Dennis looked better without your help. In fact Dennis looked much better that year he hooked up with Chad.
But really why do you come on here defending yourself, while it's becoming more obvious that you are guilty.
Just drop it man, before you really piss someone off with your "honesty" and they spill the beans.
Jean Paul!! these comments just drag me back in! Ok once again say what you want about me not being a good bodybuilder or making any improvements since working working with Milos! (figure that out!! 2004 i was 230lbs and working with Milos in 2005 i was 250lbs!) anyway you say that Milos sell special supplements??? Why stop there?? what special supps are we talking about? If you are referring to Steroids being a "SPECIAL" supplement, that i am sorry they are far from that! secondly Milo's has NEVER EVER sold me or any of his athletes any of these so called special supplement! It is something i can be completely honest about that Milo's will NOT even have spoken in his gym! You get caught even talking about steroids in Milos's gym and you are out! We use Milo's for our contest prep!! not cycle prep! Milo's teaches us Nutrition and Training techniques, crab loading, depleting etc! That at the end of the day is what makes us champions! the training and nutrition!
As for Dennis!! Dennis looked his all time best at the 2005 Olympia! don't go by pictures! if you saw the man in the flesh a few weeks days out of the Olympia, than tell me that he has not improved with Milo's. Heck!are you serious!! Milo's brought Reiko's waist line down at least 3 inches which improve his overall symmetry! Heiko will be the first to tell you this!
If Vitargo is a special supplement than i guess Milos is guilty for selling this to me from his gym! ;D
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So much talk wow you guys must not train much.If you are so truthfull milos and hate steroids and other drugs so much,I guess with your comeback you will be clean of all banned drugs just as you say you are Now.You should do Shawns show and get your 10k back.Where is Chris Dim?is he still training with you?.He said he needs 3inches on his legs why not just not put as much in one arm,that might even it out abit.
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Jean Paul!! these comments just drag me back in! Ok once again say what you want about me not being a good bodybuilder or making any improvements since working working with Milos! (figure that out!! 2004 i was 230lbs and working with Milos in 2005 i was 250lbs!) anyway you say that Milos sell special supplements??? Why stop there?? what special supps are we talking about? If you are referring to Steroids being a "SPECIAL" supplement, that i am sorry they are far from that! secondly Milo's has NEVER EVER sold me or any of his athletes any of these so called special supplement! It is something i can be completely honest about that Milo's will NOT even have spoken in his gym! You get caught even talking about steroids in Milos's gym and you are out! We use Milo's for our contest prep!! not cycle prep! Milo's teaches us Nutrition and Training techniques, crab loading, depleting etc! That at the end of the day is what makes us champions! the training and nutrition!
As for Dennis!! Dennis looked his all time best at the 2005 Olympia! don't go by pictures! if you saw the man in the flesh a few weeks days out of the Olympia, than tell me that he has not improved with Milo's. Heck!are you serious!! Milo's brought Reiko's waist line down at least 3 inches which improve his overall symmetry! Heiko will be the first to tell you this!
If Vitargo is a special supplement than i guess Milos is guilty for selling this to me from his gym! ;D
Luke, I got nothing but respect for you, so please dont take personally. In fact you and I talked few times at the shows and you are a true class act.
I am not saying Milos sold you steroids. But I do know he is far from innocent. I wouldnt say anything if Milos wouldnt come here and act like he is framed by Shawn while he is innocent man. He is not and I do know what I am talking about.
I dont agree with you that Dennis looked his best at 2005 Olympia. He looked best when he worked with Chad and he was even worse at the NY Pro. And so were you. Milos is notorious for using Insulin with his athletes and quite alot of it and one of the guys he gave advice to almost had a car accident as a result of Milos expert advice. Mustafa ended up in the hospital. Weinberger cant stand him and thats the truth. Milos comes here and talks crap about Mustafa, while their differences should be settled in private. Just like Shawn said it seems like alot of people dislike him, some of whom worked with him.
Even when it comes to Synthol I doubt Milos would come up with that article if he didnt fuck up with it. He loves the spotlight and will do anything to stay there even if it means admiting Synthol (well he had no choice there).
And I agree with Karen, Milos should smpte natural. I mean with his vast knowledge in nutrition and exercise it shouldnt be a problem and I am sure he can get his arms bigger without Synthol.
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Shawn, no offence but you should just shut the fuck up
I tought you were not as bad as people say but after reading Milos's story, I realised you really are an asshole.
Your comments didn't help you too ::)
If I was Milos I would sue your ass !
You talked shit about Gustavo last year and now he is your buddy ? ::)
I especially LOVE the way you speak, like you never took steroids in your life and/or never sold them.
what a good christian ::)
you should burn in hell
have a nice day
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Looks like people are now throwing stones and that is never going to settle anything. Look, here is what is indisputable. If someone came online and said I was dealing in drugs I would be livid. I would demand evidence. If none were given then it should be considered that I am innocent until proven guilty. That is the law and I wonder what is to be gained by accusing others of wrongdoing but then not supporting those charges with evidence. Okay, these boards are not really appropriate for settling such matters. However, look at what is happening here. Various people, going by what they are reading here, are saying various parties are assholes or whatever the term is. People are having beliefs about others changed by what is being posted here. No one can now say these boards are irrelevant because the proof is here posted as evidence. From what has been posted here Milos should be assumed to be innocent and Shawn should be wary of making unsupported accusations. I suppose anyone in Shawn's position might respond exactly like he is doing. Keep hinting at accusations and give people the notion that Milos is hiding something. Well, it will be a very sad day when former mates start dobbing others in to the authorities. It is a far different matter for Milos and Dennis who have lost significant amounts of money defending those accusations. This fiasco should be a lesson to anyone reading the boards. Be careful what you say around people. You literally cannot trust anyone else out there and are foolish if you think you can. It is always possible others might misinterpret what they hear or they might have an agenda to diminish others. Like I have said, "Trust in God, but tie your camel!"
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I personally think dennis james looked his best the year he won the nationals to tell you the truth... at least he still had a six pack instead of a beer geg...
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Milo's teaches us Nutrition and Training techniques, crab loading, depleting etc!
Now I know why I look like crap on contest day...I've been lobster loading.
Trenchcoat Fags are #1
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Hey, Special Ed, you stop picking on the lads from Oztralia. You have to admit some of those typing errors sure seem like Freudian slips.
Hi, Luke. I think a lot of us are wondering how you could look absolutely huge and amazing in those photos with Milos months ago and then show up at the last contest of yours in NY and not impress. What happens is people will blame who you credited for your improvement. It appears to me you lost too much size for that show. I think Dorian had the same problem and never appeared in a contest as huge as he was in those basement shots taken in New York back in 1992.
Could you tell us what you think happened and who's information were you following.
The more I learn about Milos, especially after listening to him talk, the more I respect him. I am not an easy guy to impress. I am as cynical as can be and have been around longer than most who post here. I have sons older than most of you guys!
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Hey, Special Ed, you stop picking on the lads from Oztralia. You have to admit some of those typing errors sure seem like Freudian slips.
Hi, Luke. I think a lot of us are wondering how you could look absolutely huge and amazing in those photos with Milos months ago and then show up at the last contest of yours in NY and not impress. What happens is people will blame who you credited for your improvement. It appears to me you lost too much size for that show. I think Dorian had the same problem and never appeared in a contest as huge as he was in those basement shots taken in New York back in 1992.
Could you tell us what you think happened and who's information were you following.
The more I learn about Milos, especially after listening to him talk, the more I respect him. I am not an easy guy to impress. I am as cynical as can be and have been around longer than most who post here. I have sons older than most of you guys!
I too have talked to Milos sevral times and his beautiful wife and they both are class acts. They tell the truth and are not afraid to speak their mind. For the certain person (SR) to say anything bad about Milos shows his character. Talking about calling the kettle black. Holy cow! A long history of drung dealing and usage and he is calling out Milos. Now that is funny
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Hey, Keith, did you open a gym in Honolulu or are you doing your clothing line full time?
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orangthorpe/st college. ill set up the ring side
seats.. how about it milos, shawn :P
;D ;D ;D As you can guess: I would LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY...
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I'm new in this forum and maybe naive but we should be like a big family and not involving cops and any other outsider in our problems. Every sport is full of steroids but they just don't talk about it. I like soccer, they use drugs but even if they don't like each other I can't imagine a defender from the french team pointing at Cannavarro and saying he uses drugs.
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Hey, Keith, did you open a gym in Honolulu or are you doing your clothing line full time?
Both, the clothing line is doing very well, and I finally found a couple great partners for the gym In fact opeing two at once. One in Hilo and one in Kona. Both 12,000 sq. ft. BJ Penn will have a Training Center in each one. Looking to open in October, November the latest.
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;D ;D ;D As you can guess: I would LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY...
I think a lot of people would love that opportunity ;D
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Miss the message here is not some self righteous thing about Milos hating steroids. He doesn't hate steroids as he has used them in his life and admits it. the problem is that shawn is accusing milos of being a dealer... understand?
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Let me just say i have been reading this board for a long time and yet never really felt compelled to post, until now. Firstly, Milos should be applauded for giving us details in regards to his recent trouble, i have nothing but respect for someone who can lay it out on the table without trying to hide anything. Anyone who thinks he is guilty soley based on the fact he took a plea, needs their head examined. I agree with Milos, there is no way that the Feds would let things slide without any type of charge, i live in australia, and from all i have been told about the States we are a much more tolerable country Down Under, and i can
tell you now heads would roll if an investigation the size that he went through didnt result in any charges at all. I dont know how anyone can assume he is guilty of dealing because he took the plea, the guy said straight out he was guilty of the charge of conspiracy so he took the plea, if they had anything more on him they would have tried to make it stick. From what Milos said they didnt hold back and if their was dirt to find they would have found it and not pussy out with some stupid conspiracy charge, and in all honestly, what kind of charge is that?
Milos has given specifics and Shawn sounds like a rat, i am a member of many boards and one reason i dont post here is because of the crap that gets thrown around in almost every post, i am doing my best not to resort to a slinging match but come on now, Shawn not answering Milos questions or posting what exactly he thinks Milos is guilty of seems like he is wanting something to stick, public opinion maybe.
Shawn, I always wondered why people on this board never liked you but its clear as day as to why that is, i remember reading posts about onlyme constantly ripping into you and you acting like a 5 yr old, exactly what you are doing now, if i was Milos i would be livid, he is obviously a man of strong character, to this day he is still trying to explain to people what exactly happend and you just put in your stupid comments and pathetic jokes and from what he says you are the cause of this mess.
If anyone sounds guilty from what i have read from your posts and Milos, its YOU Shawn, it seems like you want the dirt to stick and keep telling everyone he is guilty over and over, that he is guilty because he took a plea, he did what he thought was best financially for him and his family, taking it on the chin and being honest with his fans and telling them, YES! he was guilty of conspiracy to possess. OUT WITH IT SHAWN and answer a question with a dignified response without resorting to stupid pictures are jokes!! Be a man and answer Milos questions directly for once. You broke the law countless times Shawn when you were a pro, everytime you bought and posessed anabolics, and yet you invite the DEA over to your house for what milk and cookies? You could have kept your mouth shut but you didn't, the only person Shawn Ray cares about is Shawn Ray, nothing but a hypocrite and a rat >:( >:(
Ca Co si Milos? Dorbro Den brother :)
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Hey, Special Ed, you stop picking on the lads from Oztralia. You have to admit some of those typing errors sure seem like Freudian slips.
Hi, Luke. I think a lot of us are wondering how you could look absolutely huge and amazing in those photos with Milos months ago and then show up at the last contest of yours in NY and not impress. What happens is people will blame who you credited for your improvement. It appears to me you lost too much size for that show. I think Dorian had the same problem and never appeared in a contest as huge as he was in those basement shots taken in New York back in 1992.
Could you tell us what you think happened and who's information were you following.
The more I learn about Milos, especially after listening to him talk, the more I respect him. I am not an easy guy to impress. I am as cynical as can be and have been around longer than most who post here. I have sons older than most of you guys!
Hello Vince,
Yes you are correct i was better 2 and 3 weeks out of the NY show. I have repeated this on many forums but i have respect for you Vince so i will go through it again. Just the short version, 1 week out i came down with a bad Urinary Tract infection! extremely painful! it was hard to pose and my lower abdomen was swollen and painful to touch! Just think of you busting to urinate and you can't well i was like that for 2 weeks!! I also believe i was ready maybe too early?? When Milos saw me 3 weeks out for the first time, he said i could drop my water and walk onstage. Now its hard to hold that condition for a long period. I was able to hold it for 2 weeks but than i think my immune system was struggling a little due to being below 5% BF for about 3 or 4 weeks and i got sick!!
I could NEVER blame Milos for anything! he has brought me from an average 230lbs bodybuilder to a 255lbs Bodybuilder who can stand on stage with anyone and not look out of place!! I listen to Milos down to the last letter and i could probably rehearse every conversation about contest prep we have ever had!! he has taught me so much! not only on the stage but how to handle myself off the stage and be the compete Professional Athlete!! as long as i am competing i will never use any one else to get me ready for a show and more importantly, i will never find as more loyal, loving and caring friend!
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Both, the clothing line is doing very well, and I finally found a couple great partners for the gym In fact opeing two at once. One in Hilo and one in Kona. Both 12,000 sq. ft. BJ Penn will have a Training Center in each one. Looking to open in October, November the latest.
I've read this before . . . what clothing line?
The Beef
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www.MusclemafiaClothes.c om
They sponsor everything!
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Just listened to the show. That was the most boring installment of the show EVER. Sarcev was about as exciting as watching paint dry.
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Milos, altough it's obvious that Shawn is snake, you my friend are far from being innocent. It's amazing how you come on here and claim that you are not guilty.
there is no doubt that you did (and probably do) sell special supplements. I dont want to go in to details, while I know that you will insist. But no need for that. Weiberger hates as well as many others in the sport and thats for a reason. You became a guru after retirement but it's interesting how none of your guys really made an impact. Well Gustavo does well, but thats about it. Heiko, Luke, Dennis looked better without your help. In fact Dennis looked much better that year he hooked up with Chad.
But really why do you come on here defending yourself, while it's becoming more obvious that you are guilty.
Just drop it man, before you really piss someone off with your "honesty" and they spill the beans.
Jean Paul at least I agree with you on one thing (your first statement = Shawn being obviously a SNAKE...A poisonous snake to say the least...)
Now, NOT THAT I CARE but I am curious - how and why am I FAR FROM INNOCENT?
As I gave that opportunity to Shawn I am giving it to you (and everyone else for that matter) - IF you know that I am guilty of some wrong doing - BE MY GUEST and post it here on the board.
Problem is that many of you can come up with most incredible stories - but let's focus on the facts.
"It is amazing that I am saying that I am not guilty" you say?
Well IT IS amazing that I am not guilty...but that is THE TRUTH.
Do you (or anyone else thinks) that government didn't do a good job?
That their agents and prosecutor failed to find something IF anything WAS there to be found?
After MOST COMPREHENSIVE investigation, surveillance, search of my house, gym and everything else that I own (including 4 of my computers...), questioning of hundreds (thousands?) of people involved in my business or my neighboors in Temecula and Fullerton (hell - even Yugoslavian government was contacted in search of possible criminal record that I might have in my native country), numerous subpoenas issued at the Arnold Classic 2004...etc...etc... DEA agents could not find A SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE to charge me with a possesion or a distribution...
As some of you that WANT TO BELIEVE what you want to believe - anything I say to you would "make me look even more guilty ::)" - so I don't need to repeat myself.
Honorable man that has his word would not cross that word for NOTHING on this world...
Some of us KNOW what that really means - and some of you would never know or accepted as true - as YOU don't live that way.
As everyone knows: in life people that accuse you of something are usually guilty of that exact thing...
It is truth known to many of us...
What do I have to make myself look good in eyes of anyone?
I didn't speak when investigation was going on trying to get any sympathy from countless number of people that were already labeling me as a drug dealer and a criminal?
I didn't want to speak as I knew that sooner or later TRUTH finds its way...
I have NEVER been even slightly concerned when people were mentioning years of prison time and similar things.
Shawn himself would run from his meeting with feds (in his house) just to relate the message to me that feds told him how I am looking at a LOOOOOOOOONG TIME in prison...Long, long time - he would say with the smile on his face...
My response to him even than was: " for eating too much protein? I don't think so..."
So Jean Paul when you say there is NO DOUBT - state the facts...
As far as Steve Weinberger hating me (for what reason exactly?) - I will tell you that he was more than courteous at his last New York Pro Show.
Not just that he welcomed me there - he even gave me a press pass - to me personally...
My problem with him was - miscommunication...
If we had a chance to talk in the first place - problem between us would have never even occur.
Also - I have never retired and I became a guru while I was competing - helping guys beating me in the contest - since 1995!
I never talk about the guys I am working with - unless they start telling that I do...
As I said on the radio show - I had some phenomenal and some horrible results...
It is human to make mistakes - and I am ONLY HUMAN...but I learn from my mistakes (I've learned from some brilliant people who told me: more mistakes I make - better I get...)
I would not mention any of my guys (out of respect to them) - but most of them are quite happy...
And for the end - stop telling me WHAT should I do (you sound like Shawn - always full of advices but can't even live his own life...).
Nobody makes decisions for me but me...So I'll take my chances to piss off some people and let them spill as many beans as they have...
Unfortunately - they can spill BEANOS as well...A lot of hot, smelly air...as they couldn't spell "H" out of HONESTY...
I stay behind everything I say (or do) - as I said so many times. ;)
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Funny, all your boys dont like you:
Gustavo
Mustafa
ME
You fight with:
Weinberger
Manion
CHAD
Dorian
The Wall
The Board members.
Get alife your 43, move on already........... :-\
Give it a rest and fill that EMPTY Gym of your with some members :-*
I'm done, this guy could argue with the Dead and still feel the need to plead Innocent! ::)
PLEA BARGAIN, yea that is the same as Innocent..........Please ;)
Oh Shawn I forgot - you are: "Mr. Popularity" ::)
Can you actually find a SINGLE person in the entire IFBB that likes you (expediters included)?
Do you have a half of the friend (as ONE WHOLE is too many...)?
How about your family? (sensitive issue as well?)....
Oh well...
It is very interesting that you are counting everyone who MAYBE had a conflict with me and hoping that I have numerous "enemiess"...But, for every possible enemie (besides you there are maybe...MAYBE couple of more) I have hundreds of DEAR friends - all over the world.
I sleep soundly every night - as I have NO PROBLEM with anyone...I choose to love PEOPLE in general and I am going through my life MAKING FRIENDS and not the enemies (as my way of living).
Of course - I realized that no matter what I do - some people (YOU as a perfect example) will not even consider being friendly with/to me...but due to various reasons (no need to mention) they would rather hate me and be ANYTHING but friendly.
Their loss...not mine.
But, one thing is NOT being friendly and completely other - what YOU are doing...
For years you were spreading FALSE rumors about me selling ALL KINDS OF THINGS (I choose not to even name WHAT kind of things you were mentioning...but everyone could assume - THE WORST KIND that would put someone in jail for life...)- as I kicked you out of my gym.
I had number of people telling me that and as much as I didn't want to believe that you are capable of something THAT LOW - I learned otherwise.
At that time even Ed Connors who was looking at the opportunity to become my partner in (my gym) business told me - that I must call you and make you stop spreading those rumors - as it is getting OUT OF HAND.
I did make that call and all I got from you was: " Well - you are spreading lies about me - so I am spreading lies about you...We are even!"
Difference is Shawn - I never lied about you to anyone at ANY time...(except notknowingly - when I was trying to convince so many pros to give you their vote to be our athletes representative as SO MANY were furious when your name was even mentioned...At that time I convinced MANY to give you their vote telling them that you are indeed decent human being deserving a second chance...I should have known better).
You said so many times that I am NOT INNOCENT (in this last post you said it AGAIN) after I gave you more than one opportunity to come out and state my guilt.
Just like you were lying about me before you are continuing to this day - and the nature of your lies could be very harmful to me as a person (father of the 8 year old who had to witness her parents being handcuffed and treated as criminals...), businessman (who's business could be in jeopardy due to your malicious ways of spreading lies WITH HOPE that I would indeed lose that business/gym - something that YOU WANTED FOR SO LONG...), IFBB professional athlete (who's reputation was greatly affected with YOUR LIES and actions and with that everything I worked so hard for all my life is now IN QUESTION - to say the least...)
You were beaten in this gym and kicked out twice...you were spreading a lot of rumors and telling people what a horrible place my gym is and pleaded with so many NOT to come to support my business - the same gym you had everything for free for many years (including members of your family and numerous friends).
With sarcasm you love saying - "your empty gym...and what not"...
I would not even start with: "If you didn't realize - you coast me a lot of money, hardships and pain..." but as we both know - you know exactly what you are doing (planing for a long time) and IT IS TIME for you to stop.
As I always try to answer everything that someone is pointing out (contrary to you who skips everything that you don't want to address it or answer it) I will go over your list of people that don't like me:
Gustavo?
As Gustavo Badell?
Are you talking about a guy who was 24th (out of 25 guys at 2002 Olympia)? Guy that contacted me in October of 2003 after less than successful competition season (not placing in the top 15 in neither NOC or Hungary) who made the biggest splash in recent IFBB history and since working with me (Ironman 2004 where he placed 3rd) managed to make the top three in the last two Mr. Olympia's with NUMEROUS other competitive success stories.
Guy for whom I negotiated his endorsement contract and numerous other things (beside the point)?
Same guy that repeatedly called me a big brother in numerous publications around the world thanking me what I have done for him and his family?
Mustafa?
Same Mustafa that you called me for to help him urgently (Olympia 2004) as he was violently cramping and vomiting and you didn't know what to do (as you have no knowledge or confidence to do something IMPORTANT by yourself) and all you could come up with was giving him a GATORADE (potassium containing liquid) that could make things worst (FATAL) for a hyperkalemic state that he was in...
If you don't remember - doctor thanked me that I saved his life as I yelled on those paramedics and chase them away from the room - when they told me they were going to inject him with potassium...
I don't remember you staying ALL night with him in the hospital (I did...all night - taking him back to hotel around 7AM...while you were soundly sleeping in the confort of your room).
Same Mustafa that ended up in identical situation week later in Amsterdam - and I had to do exact same thing again - just a week later (stopping paramedics from cardinal mistake, going to hospital and explaining a doctor WHAT is really going on with competitive bodybuilder who is contrary to usual medical practice - dehydrated but HYPERkalemic instead of HYPOkalemic which many doctors would assume (other Mohamed - Benaziza was killed with lethal injection containing potassium as doctor in Holland injected him assuming that Benaziza was hypokalemic due to dehydration he was in...Mistake that can kill many bodybuilders IF doctors are not warned...)
You?
- You were never "my boy"...interesting that you are including yourself to this list.
Steve Weinberger?
- Problem I had with him (a single problem in 15 years) was due to miscommunication - and as I explained already - AFTER WE TALKED everything was squashed and he was MORE than friendly to me - inviting me to the show and giving me THE BEST SEAT IN THE HOUSE - a press pass!
Manion?
- What is my problem with Jim?
He was ALWAYS very professional and nice to me and my wife...I have no idea what you are talking about.
He called me yesterday just to tell me that he would give me a tickets for the USA - to me and my guests (bodybuilders from Malaysia)...
Chad?
- you mean your best friend?
Oh no - I think he is the guy who publically accused you of calling crime stoppers on him (hmmmmmmm - sounds familiar? Chad can look at my case and see what happened. Little bird made a call...or told someone to make the call ;))
Same Chad that is referring to you as Scumbag, Pieace of S..., A..hole...and other so deserving epithets you should have as a permanent addition to your real name?
Dorian?
- Same Dorian we are talking about?
One that called you just about THE SAME as Chad (read above... ;D ;D ;D)
The Wall?
Well - I don't get this one. Who/what is THE WALL?
The board members?
- I can count maybe 3 to 5 (OK - let's give it a ten...) How many are your fans?
You are the moderator here (always wondered why?) do you want to ask the members to vote?
And BTW - I am 42 and my life COULD NOT BE BETTER...I always know how to appreciate what I have (as little or as much as that might be...)
Life is about many things that you don't have even the slightest idea about ;D ;D ;D
Enjoy your own misery "born again" and pay close attention to what you are saying ;)
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So much talk wow you guys must not train much.If you are so truthfull milos and hate steroids and other drugs so much,I guess with your comeback you will be clean of all banned drugs just as you say you are Now.You should do Shawns show and get your 10k back.Where is Chris Dim?is he still training with you?.He said he needs 3inches on his legs why not just not put as much in one arm,that might even it out abit.
I train every day...well - almost every day...how about you?
I don't see why you would use term IF - when you are referring to my truthfullness but that is your choice...
However - where did you exactly get the idea that I hate steroids?
I hate to see kids (and women) take steroids...but I have never said anything that could make anyone believe that I hate steroids myself.
So - please explain yourself.
Again - I make my choices and nobody will be able to influence me in WHAT should I do and HOW should I compete...So leave that up to me. I am a big boy...
Shawn's show is ONE SHOW I would never do...as after years of helping him and assisting him in few things - I learned that he is just NOT WORTH the effort.
And it is not 10 K - I said almost 100 K....It is CONSIDERABLE difference between the two.
That kind of HARD EARNED money is OUT OF MY POCKET - due to irresponsible lies Shawn was saying - first to Mr. Steve Seeley (who made a call to DEA - after he learned from Shawn that I am in Thailand buying steroids) and than to DEA agents in numerous occasions in his house (or you would want to believe that Shawn had NOTHING to say about me ;))
Kris Dim is great - one of my closest friends in the whole world.
He is busy with his just opened personal training studio...and YES he is working on those three inches on his that you are talking about.
With better legs he will be VERY HARD TO BEAT! ;D ;D ;D
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Luke, I got nothing but respect for you, so please dont take personally. In fact you and I talked few times at the shows and you are a true class act.
I am not saying Milos sold you steroids. But I do know he is far from innocent. I wouldnt say anything if Milos wouldnt come here and act like he is framed by Shawn while he is innocent man. He is not and I do know what I am talking about.
I dont agree with you that Dennis looked his best at 2005 Olympia. He looked best when he worked with Chad and he was even worse at the NY Pro. And so were you. Milos is notorious for using Insulin with his athletes and quite alot of it and one of the guys he gave advice to almost had a car accident as a result of Milos expert advice. Mustafa ended up in the hospital. Weinberger cant stand him and thats the truth. Milos comes here and talks crap about Mustafa, while their differences should be settled in private. Just like Shawn said it seems like alot of people dislike him, some of whom worked with him.
Even when it comes to Synthol I doubt Milos would come up with that article if he didnt f**k up with it. He loves the spotlight and will do anything to stay there even if it means admiting Synthol (well he had no choice there).
And I agree with Karen, Milos should smpte natural. I mean with his vast knowledge in nutrition and exercise it shouldnt be a problem and I am sure he can get his arms bigger without Synthol.
Here we are again: YOU DO KNOW I AM FAR FROM INNOCENT?
How far?
Go ahead - give the people exact distance - everything you KNOW...Not everything you've heard - as I also heard that I am alien with 17 kidneys and 13 eyeballs...Give people FACTS!
You say that you know what you are talking about - so give us (me) the scoop...I am dying to hear it...
I am NOT acting that I am framed by Shawn I am giving you the EXACT FACTS - and I can be even more precised as TIMES, DAYS, PEOPLE...etc..etc
Also - I didn't start TALKING about my innocence for no reason...
Shawn is repeatedly attacking me publicly and AFTER ALL THIS TIME - I made a decision to ANSWER to his attacks.
First - because I AM COMPLETELY INNOCENT - absolutely, positively, without a doubt - 100% certainly....(I could go on...) and
secondly - because EVERYONE should see WHO (or WHAT) Shawn Ray really is....
Here it is - everyone can read it and make their own conclusions...
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Just listened to the show. That was the most boring installment of the show EVER. Sarcev was about as exciting as watching paint dry.
;D ;D ;D - which color was the paint?
Did you catch when it went from moist to almost dry? That was the "sight to see"...My favorite ;D ;D ;D
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They sponsor everything!
We are actually sponsoring the NOC and will be priniting the shirts for the show maybe as early as next week. Wayne emailed today and is sending me the design. I will post it up (design) when I get it and if he says it's okay to do so. Rob, we got www.musclemafia.com now so we don't use the clothes part. It cost us $500 the guy charged us. Luckily Vince G. didn't own that one too.
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I dont know how you stick around here sometimes milos.
With all these professional rednecks bashing
on you.
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I gotta give it to Milos - he did take Mustafa and Milos to the 1st tier, and he's on the way to doing it with Luke Wood.
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There is no doubt Milos is coming off the best here. In Australia we would say he is fair dinkum. Lots of people posting here to support him. That says a lot. If you have integrity it is something you defend almost with your life. That is exactly what Milos is doing here. He states the same things over and over to try to clear up this mess and I think we now can accept his version of what happened. Not nice, very expensive, and sure to cause hard feelings. I am sure if that happened to most of us we would be beside ourselves telling everyone what happened.
I didn't find what he said on the radio interview boring at all. I wasn't pleased when Bob interrupted Milos and got him to talk about other things. No doubt Bob doesn't like to hear criticism of the IFBB judging system. Milos said a lot of important things that I am glad someone is saying. Some people think chess is boring but if you know how to play it can be the opposite of that.
You know what pleases me about this whole thing? Well, the beliefs of most people associated with bodybuilding is to assume so much about the drugs being used and who is using and what they do to pay for them. Well, most of us know bugger all about them or who is taking them, etc. I am glad that other gym owners have similar policies to me about steroids, etc. I don't mind people discussing things but I don't want to hear about anyone promoting them or selling them. The trouble is there is not that much good information available that I would consider acceptable. Knuckleheads then have to depend on other knuckleheads and the whole enterprize of bodybuilding becomes a rather dangerous and reckless one. You really shouldn't fool with your systems in any extreme way. There are enough sad stories now to illustrate this folly.
I am glad Milos came here to defend himself because he revealed things about his character that are good to read about. I am sure we all have a different idea who he is now. I am impressed.
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There is no doubt Milos is coming off the best here. In Australia we would say he is fair dinkum. Lots of people posting here to support him. That says a lot. If you have integrity it is something you defend almost with your life. That is exactly what Milos is doing here. He states the same things over and over to try to clear up this mess and I think we now can accept his version of what happened. Not nice, very expensive, and sure to cause hard feelings. I am sure if that happened to most of us we would be beside ourselves telling everyone what happened.
I didn't find what he said on the radio interview boring at all. I wasn't pleased when Bob interrupted Milos and got him to talk about other things. No doubt Bob doesn't like to hear criticism of the IFBB judging system. Milos said a lot of important things that I am glad someone is saying. Some people think chess is boring but if you know how to play it can be the opposite of that.
You know what pleases me about this whole thing? Well, the beliefs of most people associated with bodybuilding is to assume so much about the drugs being used and who is using and what they do to pay for them. Well, most of us know bugger all about them or who is taking them, etc. I am glad that other gym owners have similar policies to me about steroids, etc. I don't mind people discussing things but I don't want to hear about anyone promoting them or selling them. The trouble is there is not that much good information available that I would consider acceptable. Knuckleheads then have to depend on other knuckleheads and the whole enterprize of bodybuilding becomes a rather dangerous and reckless one. You really shouldn't fool with your systems in any extreme way. There are enough sad stories now to illustrate this folly.
I am glad Milos came here to defend himself because he revealed things about his character that are good to read about. I am sure we all have a different idea who he is now. I am impressed.
+1
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I dont know how you stick around here sometimes milos.
With all these professional rednecks bashing
on you.
#1) I said - I love people...and bodybuilding fans
#2) Any kind of bashing IF communicated well and long enough can turn into something positive...
I believe that MOST of the problems (in life in general) occur JUST BECAUSE people DON'T TALK ABOUT IT (No communication)...or at least NOT TALK ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
I make sure that IF I am talking to someone and THERE IS even a slightest problem - I go to the core of the problem and than discuss everything and anything related to that problem until problem is solved...
I find that a lot of relationship problems (any kind of relationship) suffer from NO COMMUNICATION problem in the first place.
Think about it - people here have something in common...A lot of things in common...We can all help each other in some ways - but few choose to be difficult, unfriendly and some (SHAWN) down right malicious.
I would just ask other people (pros) a question like: if you realized what Shawn did to me - do you think he wouldn't do it to you as well?
That is Shawn Ray's way...(I think he likes to call it: STRENGHT AND HONOR ::) ::) ::) - what a guy...Gladiator in the true sense of that word.. ::) ::) ::)).
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#1) I said - I love people...and bodybuilding fans
#2) Any kind of bashing IF communicated well and long enough can turn into something positive...
I believe that MOST of the problems (in life in general) occur JUST BECAUSE people DON'T TALK ABOUT IT (No communication)...or at least NOT TALK ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
I make sure that IF I am talking to someone and THERE IS even a slightest problem - I go to the core of the problem and than discuss everything and anything related to that problem until problem is solved...
I find that a lot of relationship problems (any kind of relationship) suffer from NO COMMUNICATION problem in the first place.
Think about it - people here have something in common...A lot of things in common...We can all help each other in some ways - but few choose to be difficult, unfriendly and some (SHAWN) down right malicious.
I would just ask other people (pros) a question like: if you realized what Shawn did to me - do you think he wouldn't do it to you as well?
That is Shawn Ray's way...(I think he likes to call it: STRENGHT AND HONOR ::) ::) ::) - what a guy...Gladiator in the true sense of that word.. ::) ::) ::)).
How come you keep ignoring me than?
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#1) I said - I love people...and bodybuilding fans
#2) Any kind of bashing IF communicated well and long enough can turn into something positive...
I believe that MOST of the problems (in life in general) occur JUST BECAUSE people DON'T TALK ABOUT IT (No communication)...or at least NOT TALK ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
I make sure that IF I am talking to someone and THERE IS even a slightest problem - I go to the core of the problem and than discuss everything and anything related to that problem until problem is solved...
I find that a lot of relationship problems (any kind of relationship) suffer from NO COMMUNICATION problem in the first place.
Think about it - people here have something in common...A lot of things in common...We can all help each other in some ways - but few choose to be difficult, unfriendly and some (SHAWN) down right malicious.
I would just ask other people (pros) a question like: if you realized what Shawn did to me - do you think he wouldn't do it to you as well?
That is Shawn Ray's way...(I think he likes to call it: STRENGHT AND HONOR ::) ::) ::) - what a guy...Gladiator in the true sense of that word.. ::) ::) ::)).
Ya i totally agree that you do come on here to have educated conversations about certain issues that arise, that do need to be put out here in order to clear things up. It sucks tho that mr ray had to do that to you, even tho there once was a friendship. I do consider myself a christian and all that good stuff, and i must say shawns actions dont add up to being a good christian ( of course your not suppossed to judge people), and im not judging him since i dont know him im just going by whats been said by you. I dont think its cool to backstab people and talk behind their backs, which is what looks what has transpired over the last couple years.... Well milos more power to you, i would sweat the small things :P if you know what i mean lol... Karma is a bitch and bad things usually end up happenning to bad people in the end. and lastly i know you didnt do anything wrong becuz if you did you would have been found guilty. An investigation as large as this one would have gotten you on every little sneeze you made so to speak...
LET THE HATERS HATE MILOS, THERES ALWAYS HATERS WHEN YOUR ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN!
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You tell em Milos!!!
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Shawn you're a bitch. What kind of man rats out on someone or even agrees to co- operate to implicate someone in a crime they didn't even commit?? If you are just looking at the charges or lack thereof against Milos they had nothing if they never even had possesion, distribution or proceeds of crime charges, they had nothing. Conspiracy is always something they try hanging on to you but it's always a conspiracy when its more than one person so they are going to charge you with that. Whether they can prove anything is up to the evidence regardless if anyone is guilty if they can't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt it should be thrown out.
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Milos, you're kidding right? ???
Absolutely Innocent? :o
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.............
Your old Gym Partner Mike might have something to say about that, same with your old boy Nasser.
Dont get it twisted. >:(
I dislike you for the obvious reasons. :P
Your Meltdowns are notorious, the one with Jim Manion at the Cal last year must have slipped your mind. :-\
There are more Tumble Weeds blowing in the street than there are members in your gym. ;D
No one's fault but your own, try and work on that temper of yours ;)
You didn't "Kick Me" anywhere regarding your gym, or you'd be limping around on a cane with a Wheelchair plaque on your licence plate. :-*
Stop trying to be a Bad Ass and turn the page.
Dont you have some Suckers to prepare for the USA and take their Money knowing they wont land anywhere near the Top 10? ???
You crack me up, your long winded diatribes of Grieve and Woe stuff is entertaining to say the least. :-*
Sad day to see your Rants have turned to Rage, you can only focus on "EXPLAINING" your version of the Distorted Truth! ::)
You are what you are, thanks for coming on the Radio so everyone else could see just how EXCITING it is to hear from you and how great your life has become. :'(
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Milos, you're kidding right? ???
Absolutely Innocent? :o
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.............
Your old Gym Partner Mike might have something to say about that, same with your old boy Nasser.
Dont get it twisted. >:(
I dislike you for the obvious reasons. :P
Your Meltdowns are notorious, the one with Jim Manion at the Cal last year must have slipped your mind. :-\
There are more Tumble Weeds blowing in the street than there are members in your gym. ;D
No one's fault but your own, try and work on that temper of yours ;)
You didn't "Kick Me" anywhere regarding your gym, or you'd be limping around on a cane with a Wheelchair plaque on your licence plate. :-*
Stop trying to be a Bad Ass and turn the page.
Dont you have some Suckers to prepare for the USA and take their Money knowing they wont land anywhere near the Top 10? ???
You crack me up, your long winded diatribes of Grieve and Woe stuff is entertaining to say the least. :-*
Sad day to see your Rants have turned to Rage, you can only focus on "EXPLAINING" your version of the Distorted Truth! ::)
You are what you are, thanks for coming on the Radio so everyone else could see just how EXCITING it is to hear from you and how great your life has become. :'(
damn Milos just got o.wned.
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Shawn how many times did you beat milos on stage???May clear up some of the Hate.Power to you.
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EVERY TIME WE STEPPED ON STAGE! :-*
Sadly, you dont always win friends that way but I tried to understand the kids pain, help him train, make him better but to no avail :'(
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damn Milos just got o.wned.
bump
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You didn't "Kick Me" anywhere regarding your gym, or you'd be limping around on a cane with a Wheelchair plaque on your licence plate. :-*
Shawn, you make some valid points, and I know you're feeling frisky on the new diet and HRT and all... but my money says Milos would stomp you in a real fight.
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Who the F@#k is miss Karen.
Shawn, enough with the emoticons already, they're killing me.
It's like talkin to somebody that after every sentence says "Ya feel me"
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Milos, you asked to give examples. You kidding right? Why would you want this? I mean there are alot of people who can point a finger at you. You really asking for it. why dont you just keep quite?
You were "giving/offering" supplements to guys at the shows.
I flew from England with one of the competitors to NY Pro and you were offering "help" by providing certain things to the athlete. And also how about the fact that you were offering your services to one of the top 5 guys. He was later making fun of you how you were promising him to win the Olympia. Even though you are asking to provide proof, I wont do it, even though I could, just like many other athletes. The only reason why I am saying this is because it amazes me how a guy who was almost convicted for dealing and who helped alot of guys would come here and proclaim that he is innocent. Why dont you just keep quite? It would be a smart thing to do. Arent you the MIND after all?
And by the way Gustavo is probably the only bodybuilders you really helped and thats probably because he always had genetics, just needed some guidence. So yes you can take credit for him. As for Mustafa? You kidding right? You saved his life? You put him in that position in the first place, he was working with you. That the reason why Jimmy Manion and Steve Weinberger were pissed off in the first place. Especially Steve.
Why dont you keep your private business to yourself?
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Even IF Milos was dealing / offering / illegally using steroids, why would a "friend" (with their own history of at the very least using steroids themselves) tell the DEA? Why would Shawn not deny any knowledge, "lawyer up", etc? The only possible justification I could see for someone ratting Milos out would be if LE had some dirt on that person that they were threatening them with. Otherwise, I couldn't see any justifiable reason for ratting on a "friend" other than wanting to see Milos go to jail. If that is the case, there would obviously have to be some personal reason for talking to the feds - vendetta, financial gain, jealously - I don't know. Otherwise, why tell the DEA anything? It's not like Milos was committing violent crimes or selling smack to school kids - even IF he was distributing / illegally using steroids... ???
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I just bought some popcorn...this is getting good!
Flame on Brothers!
Special "I Love a Good Dramady" Ed
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Even IF Milos was dealing / offering / illegally using steroids, why would a "friend" (with their own history of at the very least using steroids themselves) tell the DEA? Why would Shawn not deny any knowledge, "lawyer up", etc? The only possible justification I could see for someone ratting Milos out would be if LE had some dirt on that person that they were threatening them with. Otherwise, I couldn't see any justifiable reason for ratting on a "friend" other than wanting to see Milos go to jail. If that is the case, there would obviously have to be some personal reason for talking to the feds - vendetta, financial gain, jealously - I don't know. Otherwise, why tell the DEA anything? It's not like Milos was committing violent crimes or selling smack to school kids - even IF he was distributing / illegally using steroids... ???
exactly just goes to prove shawn ray is a bitch and has no honor or khram. Same for anybody else. They proved nothing otherwise Milos would have been charged in the first place.
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Take a Plea,oh wait a minute he didn't do anything ok your free with no plea no charge no costs we the government were wrong and will except all costs.What are you talking about,no charge.
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diss karen do u love shawn?
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Why ask such a stupid question?Do you love milos now see how stupid it looks.
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no ,what i do love is shawn'a hypocritical stance on steroids ;D
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Agreed.
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The whole drug thing in BB is a joke you just have to look at how stupid they look with oil and synthol and whatever banged in,they should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask what am I doing.All these drugs and for what a few thousand $$$$$$$.Real Smart.NOT.
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Why I said the internet is not a good place to resolve disputes is that there is no way to know all the facts and make sure they are correct. In the end most disputes become one person's opinion against another. Shawn knows that. As long as he keeps implying that Milos has done something in the past then some doubt exists and he doesn't have to disclose exactly what that was. If he says any more than he has then he becomes a certified jerk and dobber.
The fact remains that it is indisputable that Milos got into very expensive trouble because of what Shawn Ray said to the DEA. He isn't denying that he did this to Milos. So we can accept that he did do this. That it cost Milos and Dennis many, many thousands of dollars is probably true. We don't need to see the statements of monies paid to lawyers to know this. So when one person causes another to suffer that is not doing a moral thing. We are not even talking about damage to personal reputations. I should think that any such damage is much more than the cost of hiring defense lawyers because anyone who owns a business like a gym surely doesn't need a reputation about being associated with steroids. This really is a pretty sad business. What is next, dob in others to the internal revenue people? When Shawn can apologize to Milos for what he did last year then perhaps those two can sort things out. I rather doubt that things can resolve, though, because too much damage has already been done and both sides are being nasty online to the other. Milos sure has a score to settle but he is still knocking Shawn Ray big time. It just keeps the whole thing boiling.
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Take a Plea,oh wait a minute he didn't do anything ok your free with no plea no charge no costs we the government were wrong and will except all costs.What are you talking about,no charge.
so you think the government is always right? shawn ray is a fool
this is what I am talking about:
We were NEVER charged with steroid distribution or steroid possession nor were we convicted of any distribution or trafficking charge. We pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charge: CONSPIRACY TO POSSESS anabolic steroids for personal use. To clarify again - conspiracy is an AGREEMENT! Our "guilt" was TALKING ABOUT POSSESING?
http://www.getbig.com/news/2005-04/112305casemilos.htm (http://www.getbig.com/news/2005-04/112305casemilos.htm)
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Milos, you're kidding right? ???
Absolutely Innocent? :o
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.............
Your old Gym Partner Mike might have something to say about that, same with your old boy Nasser.
Dont get it twisted. >:(
I dislike you for the obvious reasons. :P
Your Meltdowns are notorious, the one with Jim Manion at the Cal last year must have slipped your mind. :-\
There are more Tumble Weeds blowing in the street than there are members in your gym. ;D
No one's fault but your own, try and work on that temper of yours ;)
You didn't "Kick Me" anywhere regarding your gym, or you'd be limping around on a cane with a Wheelchair plaque on your licence plate. :-*
Stop trying to be a Bad Ass and turn the page.
Dont you have some Suckers to prepare for the USA and take their Money knowing they wont land anywhere near the Top 10? ???
You crack me up, your long winded diatribes of Grieve and Woe stuff is entertaining to say the least. :-*
Sad day to see your Rants have turned to Rage, you can only focus on "EXPLAINING" your version of the Distorted Truth! ::)
You are what you are, thanks for coming on the Radio so everyone else could see just how EXCITING it is to hear from you and how great your life has become. :'(
Absolutely innocent Shawn - and everybody with the clear mind KNOWS that.
GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT - and that is what is the most important to me...
IFBB president knows it (Jim) and Weider organization knows it (Peter and many others)...They also know YOUR role in this whole thing...
Talking about Jim Manion and my "incident at the Cal" is the best you can come up with?
I talked to Jim YESTERDAY (as he called me) and first thing I asked him: "Jim - did you ever had a problem with me?"
He asked - what are you talking about?
Than I mentioned your name - and he bursted laughing...
I don't need to mention to you (as I already did - and you confirmed to me that you KNOW) what Jim suggests to anyone when you are in question...
Unfortunately he knows that PROBLEM with his suggestion would be that little "born again gladiator" (strength and honor above all ::)) would sing:"touch me and I'll sue you..." - like you did so many times (Flex, Craig...my ex-partner Mike who you've just mentioned...etc,etc...)
Jim and I had ONE heated discussion at the Cal which finished with handshake and the hug...
Jim is known for that. We are ALL his kids...(and you are the only impostor... ;D)
And PLEASE - for the love of God - tell me when and where you want to meet me - to give you that opportunity to put me in the wheelchair... ;D ;D ;D
You are spinless little weasel that gets scared when wind blows and you are actually saying you can "kick" someone... ::)?
You were slapped around in so many gyms in Orange County - you hardly have a place to go...
Last time I've heard was when you were kicked out of my gym and you were training in LA Fitness - your wife's ex slapped you few times until you cried so laud - he had to stop (as he was embarrassed for you...). Your early retirement was maybe due to - being scared to go to ANY gym as you would have to look over your shoulder all the time...
As much as I am ALWAYS against violence and showing force - in your case I will make an exception - so if you ever grow something down below and decide to prove me wrong - just name the time and the place - from this moment on I am ready for you... ;)Anytime ;)Anyplace ;D
My notorious meltdowns, rants and explanations are here for everyone to see. I responded to your numerous accusations methodically answering everything you (and some others) ever asked and giving you the opportunity to reveal my guilt to the world - one (or more?) that you are mentioning for quite some time now.
You on another hand selectively answer what you chose and skip ALL THE IMPORTANT questions...
Try to at least learn something from me:
1- when you get a question - focus on that question and try to answer it in the best possible way. Bring as many facts and document what you are saying with clear explanation of happenings - mentioning exact times, names, people involved and what really happened...Selectively forgeting important details could dramatically change the validity of the answer - so try to be methodical (like I am) and go step by step...(unless you have something to hide ::))
2- when you answer the question(s) - feel free to ask anything and insist on what is really important in particular subject of that question...
(Example - using Jim Manion as someone that should prove how unreasonable and unfriendly I (possibly) am was not the best choice - providing that I had one (a single one) heated conversation with him in roughly 15 years of knowing Jim...)
3- be honest...People will respect you for it ;)
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Shawn how many times did you beat milos on stage???May clear up some of the Hate.Power to you.
What competition results have to do with anything?
But, as you have already mentioned - bodybuilding is a sport where judging is as objective as track and field (a precise electronic stop watch)?
Or it is possibly - subjective opinion of the few people in charge (judges)?
On that note - what do you think would have happened if every Mr. Olympia I competed against Shawn had predominantly Yugoslavian judges and show was held in Yugoslavia?
Shawn would NEVER have balls to go to European Tours - from fear that he would not be "protected"...
Even Lee Haney, Dorian and Ronnie Coleman (after winning Mr. Olympia title) went on the tour accepting the challenges - AS THEY ARE FEARLESS COMPETITORS - confident in their abilities...
Shawn on another hand (money pincher that he is) would not even take a chance to make possibly $100000.00 IN PRIZE MONEY from the tour (just ask Vince, Kevin, Nasser, Paul and others how much they made throughout the years - competing in THE European Tour)...
Why?
Even in his last year of competing - he suggested to Kerry Keyes (English Grand Prix promoter) that he would accept to guest pose in his show (for $1000.00) - just one week after the Olympia rather than trying to compete and make CONSIDERABLY MORE if he places in top three....
Confidence supreme ::) ::) - strength and honor ;D ;D ;D....
After "big mouth" chiuaua was barking like a real dog in 1995 and stating that Vince could never beat him in the contest he went so far to say that IF 40 year old man beats him - he would retire...After loosing to Vince at the 1995 Arnold Classic (Shawn placed 5th) he managed to find an explanation that Vince didn't beat him ...rather - judges gave Vince the victory...
Typical Shawn...when judges vote for him - they are all great and result is realistic and fair...when happens otherwise - he doesn't accept that judging was fair or someone was better than him...Great sportsman - don't you think?
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damn Milos just got o.wned.
Certainly... ::)
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What competition results have to do with anything?
But, as you have already mentioned - bodybuilding is a sport where judging is as objective as track and field (a precise electronic stop watch)?
Or it is possibly - subjective opinion of the few people in charge (judges)?
On that note - what do you think would have happened if every Mr. Olympia I competed against Shawn had predominantly Yugoslavian judges and show was held in Yugoslavia?
Shawn would NEVER have balls to go to European Tours - from fear that he would not be "protected"...
Even Lee Haney, Dorian and Ronnie Coleman (after winning Mr. Olympia title) went on the tour accepting the challenges - AS THEY ARE FEARLESS COMPETITORS - confident in their abilities...
Shawn on another hand (money pincher that he is) would not even take a chance to make possibly $100000.00 IN PRIZE MONEY from the tour (just ask Vince, Kevin, Nasser, Paul and others how much they made throughout the years - competing in THE European Tour)...
Why?
Even in his last year of competing - he suggested to Kerry Keyes (English Grand Prix promoter) that he would accept to guest pose in his show (for $1000.00) - just one week after the Olympia rather than trying to compete and make CONSIDERABLY MORE if he places in top three....
Confidence supreme ::) ::) - strength and honor ;D ;D ;D....
After "big mouth" chiuaua was barking like a real dog in 1995 and stating that Vince could never beat him in the contest he went so far to say that IF 40 year old man beats him - he would retire...After loosing to Vince at the 1995 Arnold Classic (Shawn placed 5th) he managed to find an explanation that Vince didn't beat him ...rather - judges gave Vince the victory...
Typical Shawn...when judges vote for him - they are all great and result is realistic and fair...when happens otherwise - he doesn't accept that judging was fair or someone was better than him...Great sportsman - don't you think?
Milos I have nothing againts you and don't want to in the future. That said, I think the whole "I'm not judged fairly because a show isn't judged in Yugoslavia" is bullshit. Sorry, just how I feel. No matter what you might feel towards shawn, and I think he comes off like a dick on this board and have told him so in other threads, he had a great physique and would have done fine on the euro tour, maybe he was scared, who knows? I just thought the yugo comment was a little uncalled for. You live in the US, you own a gym in the US, you were in american magazines, wieder loved you...they have nothing to gain by marked you down for being from Yugoslavia.
BTW-I still don't think Vince should have beat shawn at the AC that year....I think they did it to him to shut him up for running his mouth and teach him a lesson.
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BTW-I still don't think Vince should have beat shawn at the AC that year....I think they did it to him to shut him up for running his mouth and teach him a lesson.
Never learned anything then.
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Milos, you asked to give examples. You kidding right? Why would you want this? I mean there are alot of people who can point a finger at you. You really asking for it. why dont you just keep quite?
You were "giving/offering" supplements to guys at the shows.
I flew from England with one of the competitors to NY Pro and you were offering "help" by providing certain things to the athlete. And also how about the fact that you were offering your services to one of the top 5 guys. He was later making fun of you how you were promising him to win the Olympia. Even though you are asking to provide proof, I wont do it, even though I could, just like many other athletes. The only reason why I am saying this is because it amazes me how a guy who was almost convicted for dealing and who helped alot of guys would come here and proclaim that he is innocent. Why dont you just keep quite? It would be a smart thing to do. Arent you the MIND after all?
And by the way Gustavo is probably the only bodybuilders you really helped and thats probably because he always had genetics, just needed some guidence. So yes you can take credit for him. As for Mustafa? You kidding right? You saved his life? You put him in that position in the first place, he was working with you. That the reason why Jimmy Manion and Steve Weinberger were pissed off in the first place. Especially Steve.
Why dont you keep your private business to yourself?
I gave you the opportunity several times and you still can't come up with nothing but the "hot air"...
And I already told you that I don't need the advice from you (or anyone for that matter) as I always know exactly what I am doing or what I want/should do....
You are possibly some fan of the sport (care to introduce yourself?) who KNOWS all the details ::)
#1) Your ignorance of saying that I was working with Mustafa back in 2004 when he got in trouble AND I SAVED HIS LIFE tells enough...
You ONLY assume things (like everything else that you are assuming about me) and have NO IDEA what I do and who I really am.
Mustafa was ill after 2004 Mr. Olympia and someone called Shawn (as he was athletes representative).
Surprisingly OUT OF ALL PEOPLE Shawn chose to call me.
Ever wonder why?
Because he knows that I KNOW thing or two (or 2222) that could help the IFBB athlete who was in trouble and he knows that I have the confidence and contrary to him I am not a "talker" I am a "doer"...Of course now (under the circumstances) Shawn will probably deny that...but you do the math.
To make one thing CRYSTAL CLEAR - I was NOT working with Mustafa in 2004 - even though many people claim that - as they are just NOT INFORMED - like you...who continues to implicates me in some wrong doing (like Shawn) when I proved to the world (and most importantly US Government) that I am innocent of ANY steroid dealing/distribution/selling - that YOU ARE ALSO (like Shawn) mentioning.
Many people were questioned...many IFBB pro athletes were there to testify - IF government didn't have any testimony, proof or evidence to even charge me (not talking about conviction - I am saying; THEY NEVER EVEN CHARGED ME with distribution) - who are you to say that YOU KNOW what is really happenning...
Repeatedly you are saying a lot of nonsense and you are continuing implicating me like "you know something"...but you chose not to say it...
I gave you the green light - go ahead...
I am confident as I know what NOTHING and NEVER means...in exact sense of those words...
So your assumption of what is happening between me and my athletes is only that - assumption.
You say:
"I flew from England with one of the competitors to NY Pro and you were offering "help" by providing certain things to the athlete. And also how about the fact that you were offering your services to one of the top 5 guys. He was later making fun of you how you were promising him to win the Olympia. Even though you are asking to provide proof, I wont do it, even though I could, just like many other athletes"- ::) ::) ::) Let me understand this - I was PROMISING someone that he is going to win Mr. Olympia - and that particular athlete was later making fun of me for saying that?
Let me ask you: do you believe in Santa Claus?
Wasn't HE indeed the athlete you are talking about?
Please - grow up and get some sense...
Also - STOP talking about things you have NO CLUE about.
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Shawn, you make some valid points, and I know you're feeling frisky on the new diet and HRT and all... but my money says Milos would stomp you in a real fight.
Godamn, I'm ready to bet on a fight. Shawn would take him out
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Take a Plea,oh wait a minute he didn't do anything ok your free with no plea no charge no costs we the government were wrong and will except all costs.What are you talking about,no charge.
We the federal government just spent few millions of dollars on the most comprehensive investigation, surveying someone's house, gym, questioning countless number of person's friends, acquaintances, neighbors, colleagues, business associates...invaded Columbus Ohio during the prestigious Arnold Classic competition handing out subpoenas left and right, hearing the grand jury testimony, searching person's house and FINDING NOTHING...getting 4 personal computers and searching every Email in God knows how many years....ETC...ETC...ETC ...
We the government DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE PIECE OF EVEIDENCE THAT CAN CONNECT YOU WITH ANY DISTRIBUTION, DEALING OR EVEN POSSESION...but we do have one Email in which you clearly named few products that you were looking for your upcoming preparation for the competition.
We the government don't have a proof that you even obtained those products for YOUR PERSONAL USE as we have never found NOTHING in your house, gym or anywhere else...but WE THE GOVERNMENT can put you on the trial and as your charge is ONLY conspiracy to possess for personal use - you must know that ALL WE HAVE TO DO is convince the jury that indeed you were looking for some products therefore you were conspiring to poses those products.
If found guilty you would have certain consequences...and IF found innocent you would NOT BE REIMBURSED for any money you might spend defending yourself - which by the way can coast you up to $200000.00....
Considering that you have already spent close to $100000.00 it is fair to assume that you know our numbers are not inflated...
Sir - would you like to take the plea with slap on the wrist - INFORMAL, UNSUPERWISED PROBATION (never reccorded in the federal case - thus no proper documentation was available in any office...) with $10000.00 penalty - OR would you like to go to the trial?
We the government were informed that you ARE A DEALER, we believed that you were and that's why we investigated you thoroughly...
We had our little informant telling us wonderful little stories about you that got our attention...but due to the absolute lack of evidence - we did realize that we made a mistake.
However - we did find ONE Email that we are going to use AGAINST YOU...and we would highly suggest that you take this offer ;) ;) ;)
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Is it just me? Or does anyone else find the minutiae of other people's legal troubles to be profoundly boring?
Man draws heat, beats rap.
Now let's move on with our lives.
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I´m hoping for a fight.
Shawn ray´s a little puss and I bet milos would kick his little fat ass.
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Milos I have nothing againts you and don't want to in the future. That said, I think the whole "I'm not judged fairly because a show isn't judged in Yugoslavia" is bullshit. Sorry, just how I feel. No matter what you might feel towards shawn, and I think he comes off like a dick on this board and have told him so in other threads, he had a great physique and would have done fine on the euro tour, maybe he was scared, who knows? I just thought the yugo comment was a little uncalled for. You live in the US, you own a gym in the US, you were in american magazines, wieder loved you...they have nothing to gain by marked you down for being from Yugoslavia.
BTW-I still don't think Vince should have beat shawn at the AC that year....I think they did it to him to shut him up for running his mouth and teach him a lesson.
Did I say: "I am not judged fairly?"
I am stating to miss (I love Shawn) Karen that her hero did beat me every time we competed...but he NEVER had a balls to compete in the European Grand Prix Tours - where I am certain he would have MUCH HARDER TIME convincing judges in his superiority over me (and everyone else).
Logically, for money pincher that would sell his soul for a buck (or buck 50?) great opportunity to make considerable amount of prize money would only be denied - due to his fear that he might not rate as high elswhere as he does in the States...
But, any way you want to look it - my question to you and others is WHAT do you think would have happened if 9 out of 12 judges at the Olympia would be from Yugoslavia and we are competing in Belgrade?
Would you bet your house that Shawn would defeat me - even at his ALL TIME BEST?
That was my point...I never complain about MY placings...Read my board and you'll see that I posted publicly that I GOT THE GIFT in my last show (Hungarian Grand Prix - placing 6th).
I state (and you can still find it on my board) that 7th place finisher Thomas Bengali from Italy and 9th place finisher Edie Abbew should have beat me in that show...Just an example!
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Just to clear something up here, Milos, how did you get a doctor's prescription for what you needed for contest preparation? If someone can be charged for conspiracy to obtain steroids that is pretty pathetic. The Feds were scraping the bottom of the barrel. I think your case demonstrates how absurd the law is regarding steroids. What a bunch of jerks those legislators were. Is Arnold saying anything about how unfair this law is?
Anyway, on a lighter note I think Shawn should have to fight Guy Grundy first for what he did to you last year. He is the guilty party here and I wonder if he has a moral obligation now to apologize and then compensate you for your considerable losses? When someone does something really bad to us we tell everyone to also disapprove of that person. I guess that is exactly what you have been doing here. I think many people assumed you would back off when Shawn and others said you were guilty of wrongdoing in the past. That you insist they state exactly what these instances are shows you are confident no one can or will, or you are innocent of all charges.
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Just to clear something up here, Milos, how did you get a doctor's prescription for what you needed for contest preparation? If someone can be charged for conspiracy to obtain steroids that is pretty pathetic. The Feds were scraping the bottom of the barrel. I think your case demonstrates how absurd the law is regarding steroids. What a bunch of jerks those legislators were. Is Arnold saying anything about how unfair this law is?
Anyway, on a lighter note I think Shawn should have to fight Guy Grundy first for what he did to you last year. He is the guilty party here and I wonder if he has a moral obligation now to apologize and then compensate you for your considerable losses? When someone does something really bad to us we tell everyone to also disapprove of that person. I guess that is exactly what you have been doing here. I think many people assumed you would back off when Shawn and others said you were guilty of wrongdoing in the past. That you insist they state exactly what these instances are shows you are confident no one can or will, or you are innocent of all charges.
Vince, I didn't get Rx for AS for my contest preparation - I got FEW for valid medical reasons that doctors who prescribed it to me have every reason to feel confident to give me - to treat my conditions.
I would hope that you will respect my privacy on this issue - as you can only imagine what can be outcome of this kind of discussion...
Everything I wrote about here on this board can be used as warning to many other athletes/bodybuilders...
Simply TALKING (writing the harmless E-mail) and mentioning specific AS that person is considering obtaining - puts you and person you wrote the Email to - in CONSPIRACY THEORY....
Another warning issued here FOR EVERYONE TO SEE is: what kind of treatment some athletes (or people in general) can get from "born again" GLADIATOR ;D...who ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY means the best - to all of us...and to our sport in general.
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Godamn, I'm ready to bet on a fight. Shawn would take him out
Out for dinner?
It would take me 3 seconds to have you lose that bet...(if he doesn't run away...)
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Godamn, I'm ready to bet on a fight. Shawn would take him out
you're sharing that pipe with Cutler, aren't you? Shawn has backed down from a lot of people in his day when things got physical. Milos would beat him like a Lee Priest rental car.
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Jae - get some sun and get out of the basement.
Don't you have a challenge with the girl on your agenda big boy?
:D
I just started reading this this thread...
Too funny.... :D
Sandra
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You were slapped around in so many gyms in Orange County - you hardly have a place to go...
Last time I've heard was when you were kicked out of my gym and you were training in LA Fitness - your wife's ex slapped you few times until you cried so laud - he had to stop (as he was embarrassed for you...).
Did that really happen?... :o ;D
Milos, since Shawn has apparently not denied ratting you out to the DEA, do you mind me asking exactly what you think Shawn's motives were for doing so? A personal grudge? Greed? Jealousy of some sort?
Personally, I believe that steroids should either be decriminalized, or at the very least that (should they remain illegal), law enforcement should have steroid use, possession, and even distribution (to consenting adults) so low on their priority list (compared to real criminal activity) that people should have little or no worry of being hassled about steroids at all. But I realize that the current political climate and big business interests make my personal beliefs nothing more than wishful thinking.
I cannot understand how or why one who owes a great deal of their own fame and success to their own steroid use could ever have the nerve to rat anyone else out in regards to steroids - unless they really hated that person, or perhaps that person was pushing steroids on minors or something - and you've set the record straight repeatedly that there was no evidence of you doing anything like that. Would you mind telling us why you think he did this?
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I love you Milos! :-*
Post, breathe, Post breathe................ You have a bad Ticker remember :-\
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WOWZAS!
Monster hate between to top pros..
Tisk tisk guys, shouldnt be airing out like this in public, imho.. :-\
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Former Pro's son.
No hate on my part but trust me when I say, Milos is Red Hot and not in a "Cute" sort of way. Dude has a Temper :'(
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Former Pro's son.
No hate on my part but trustme when I say, Milos is Red Hot andnot in a "Cute" sort of way. Dude has a Temper :'(
hahahaha, Milos does fly off the handle quite easily.
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wow, just got done reading...Shawn is it true? :'(
What KINDA MAAAAAN Burns a Fellow pro bodybuilding brotha like that! WHAT KINDAAA MAAAN!
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I love you Milos! :-*
Post, breathe, Post breathe................ You have a bad Ticker remember :-\
That's all you have to say?
What happened with the time and the place to check how my Ticker is working?
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Former Pro's son.
No hate on my part but trustme when I say, Milos is Red Hot andnot in a "Cute" sort of way. Dude has a Temper :'(
One former pro...
And my temper is in perfect control - as always...otherwise you would not be talking ;) or eating :) or drinking ;D or standing ::) or think...well thinking is not the option (impossible for you) for quite some time now - but that has nothing to do with me...
Anyone with "red hot temper" knowing the rat that told many false stories to the feds would probably use that rat poison long time ago...I don't need to.
I enjoy more watching "the rat" living his wonderful life...You don't need bigger punishment than that...(Enjoy your own misery - "born against"...or was it born again?)
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One former pro...
And my temper is in perfect control - as always...otherwise you would not be talking ;) or eating :) or drinking ;D or standing ::) or think...well thinking is not the option (impossible for you) for quite some time now - but that has nothing to do with me...
Anyone with "red hot temper" knowing the rat that told many false stories to the feds would probably use that rat poison long time ago...I don't need to.
I enjoy more watching "the rat" living his wonderful life...You don't need bigger punishment than that...(Enjoy your own misery - "born against"...or was it born again?)
Milos, don't waste your time with Shawn, he's got illusions of granduer.. remember, you competed professionally more times in one year than Shawn did his entire career (and he still couldn't nail it), so don't expect professional behaviour from him.
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This is a wild thread.
I must say I have a lot of respect for Milos I think he is a great guy ( his only down fall is that asshole, Antonio who runs his site.)
I am curious to hear more about something that's been hinted towards and touched upon briefly in the past. Did Shawn Ray's mother go to jail for receiving a package of gear fro him? And if so, are there any details?
The Beef.
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Sue him!
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sarcev has all the time in the world to write those long posts indictates milos has alot of time in his hands..and that indicates that MILOS IS OUT OF WORK........hahhahaha
UR AN UNEMPLOYED LOUD MOUTH
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Yes I am pretty sure you know Milos's financial situation "The shadow" ::)
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Milos, time to get a J O B! ???
Your gym must run itself based on the Novels write here and Challenges you post?
Wonder why the your Gym is EMPTY All the time, the owner wants to be an Internet Tough Guy instead of running his gym.
How bout we meet after school behind the Bleachers at the football field at 3pm?
Get a real, aren't you a Father, Gym Owner, Entreprenuer, and Past 40 YEARS OLD?
Back away from your Key Board and try to keep your posts to under 5,000 words/per post! ;D
Nothing you write will change the fact of what you are and what you do.
Sadly, your Meltdowns are entertaining as hell and I can't help but keep this thread going so we can imagine you punching the wall and sweating profusely! :o
FLAME on! ;D
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Milos, time to get a J O B! ???
Your gym must run itself based on the Novels write here and Challenges you post?
Wonder why the your Gym is EMPTY All the time, the owner wants to be an Internet Tough Guy instead of running his gym.
How bout we meet after school behind the Bleachers at the football field at 3pm?
Get a real, aren't you a Father, Gym Owner, Entreprenuer, and Past 40 YEARS OLD?
Back away from your Key Board and try to keep your posts to under 5,000 words/per post! ;D
Nothing you write will change the fact of what you are and what you do.
Sadly, your Meltdowns are entertaining as hell and I can't help but keep this thread going so we can imagine you punching the wall and sweating profusely! :o
FLAME on! ;D
hahahaha, Shawn telling the brutal truth again, Milos has been crucified.
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Sarcasm, do you really think shawn could beat Milos ?
Shawn is all of 5"5 and would get crushed in 5 seconds !
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Sarcasm, do you really think shawn could beat Milos ?
Shawn is all of 5"5 and would get crushed in 5 seconds !
hard to say, they both are strong weight trained athletes, but who gives a shit really, they're both 40 years old, what sense does it make? IMO Milos is the immature child for losing his temper so easy, that's the sure sign of a bit.ch not a man.
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Milos, time to get a J O B! ???
Your gym must run itself based on the Novels write here and Challenges you post?
Wonder why the your Gym is EMPTY All the time, the owner wants to be an Internet Tough Guy instead of running his gym.
How empty is his gym, Shawn? As empty as the arena during the Colorado Pro Show? :-\
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sarcev has all the time in the world to write those long posts indictates milos has alot of time in his hands..and that indicates that MILOS IS OUT OF WORK........hahhahaha
UR AN UNEMPLOYED LOUD MOUTH
::)
Some of you really don't know how to manage your time - I guess.
I work for living ;)...(6 days a week - year around...)
Posts being long could possibly mean - I have a lot to say and have no problem speaking the truth? (Truth that should be known about our well mannered, people loving born against Christians.)
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Interesting Milos/Shawn thread going one here. Taking no sides, but one thing I have noted in my short 40 years on earth is that those who proclaim their 'faith' the loudest and to all and sundry, are almost without exception, those with the most skeletons in their closet -ie. hypocrisy is a norm and not an exception. Just some food for thought. ;)
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It's like Jesus said... "they practice their righteousness before men." like the Pharisees did back then. Praying out loud in the streets, letting everyone know how much money they gave to the temple. That ain't nothing new.
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Hold it you mean the Pro Bodybuilding show didnt cover nutrition?
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How empty is his gym, Shawn? As empty as the arena during the Colorado Pro Show? :-\
OWNED !
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Milos, time to get a J O B! ???
Your gym must run itself based on the Novels write here and Challenges you post?
Wonder why the your Gym is EMPTY All the time, the owner wants to be an Internet Tough Guy instead of running his gym.
How bout we meet after school behind the Bleachers at the football field at 3pm?
Get a real, aren't you a Father, Gym Owner, Entreprenuer, and Past 40 YEARS OLD?
Back away from your Key Board and try to keep your posts to under 5,000 words/per post! ;D
Nothing you write will change the fact of what you are and what you do.
Sadly, your Meltdowns are entertaining as hell and I can't help but keep this thread going so we can imagine you punching the wall and sweating profusely! :o
FLAME on! ;D
Time to get a job? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well - this is typical Shawn - at his best...
You are telling a business owner of 4 businesses who spends about 60 hours a week (if not more?) working to GET A JOB?
While you at your age of 40 - never worked a single day in your life (REAL JOB)... ;)
But this is exactly a mirror image of everything that Shawn Ray is all about - pointing finger at me (sounds familiar?) to get the job (while I hardly have a free moment during a day as I am WORKING NON STOP)....while person that he should talk to in the first place is himself!
GET A JOB should be voice that should hunt you every waken (well - even sleeping) moment of your life...
It is nice living off your spouses income (and AS PEOPLE SAY ::) - your mother's side business that left you some inheritance - so to speak...) but try to actually WORK for living...you have kids to feed - remember?
Owner of my gym (me...the owner...sounds good Shawn?) doesn't need to be "Internet tough guy" - I am answering to your comment that you could "put me in the wheelchair" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ( another example where TOUGH GUY SHAWN who is going to put me in the wheelchair (his words) is calling me a tough guy for responding with - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE for the love of God grow some balls for once in your lifetime and come see me ALONE to have a chat...)
You are typical and very predictable...as you are consistent throughout your life and everybody knows it.
And as far as my gym being empty - it is nicely "empty" for the 7 years that I own it...(with well over 2000 paying members - and counting... ;)).
Let me worry about my businesses and think about how you can sweet-talk Viotech people into another disastrous show promoting experience...(speaking of EMPTY :-*)...
Lastly - considering that you were so proudly telling all the people in our industry (and numerous fans) that you've never used any nutritional supplements (but than again - you were saying the same for "OTHER" kind of supplements as well ::)) - I really wonder how did you manage to talk Viotech people into signing you for an endorsement deal...(your BS ability is taking you places I must admit...but even that can't last forever. Soon your luck just might run out... ;))
Not knowing enough (anything?) about supplement line that you are endorsing is one thing but telling fans that you "don't take this sh.t" (your words exactly...) is completely another. So next time fan ask you about Norvaline instead of shrugging the shoulders and suggesting the same thing you did to Steve Seeley's 17 year old son (wanting to put some weight for football) it would be nice to hear "correct answer"...After all you are paid to PROMOTE and ENDORSE something....
And as far as your "punching the wall and sweating profusely" imagination goes - start imagining that "wall" being you...
I am having just my NORMAL DAY in the office - as always...
Scheduled "answer the E-mails and boards" session have just expired - so I have to go to work as I have a JOB to do. A JOB...
Did I say a JOB?
That is something honorable that responsible people do to be able to put the food on the table for the family...
Sorry for failing to make 5000 words article this time around...I was not specially inspired...(maybe next time?)
Have an easy day...oh - I forgot - every day is the easy day for you...considering that you don'thave a JOB...
Job you latter!
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Sarcasm, do you really think shawn could beat Milos ?
Shawn is all of 5"5 and would get crushed in 5 seconds !
I said 5 is too many - I can do it in 3... ;)
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I said 5 is too many - I can do it in 3... ;)
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Some of you really don't know how to manage your time - I guess.
I work for living ;)...(6 days a week - year around...)
Posts being long could possibly mean - I have a lot to say and have no problem speaking the truth? (Truth that should be known about our well mannered, people loving born against Christians.)
ur silly long posts r just irrelvant...it seems u should get a job in some call center or something where u don't need real man power..
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hard to say, they both are strong weight trained athletes, but who gives a shit really, they're both 40 years old, what sense does it make? IMO Milos is the immature child for losing his temper so easy, that's the sure sign of a bit.ch not a man.
Answering to issued charges with detailed explanation of the chain of events is "losing a temper"?
Well - I love losing the temper every day of my life...
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Time to get a job? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well - this is typical Shawn - at his best...
You are telling a business owner of 4 businesses who spends about 60 hours a week (if not more?) working to GET A JOB?
While you at your age of 40 - never worked a single day in your life (REAL JOB)... ;)
But this is exactly a mirror image of everything that Shawn Ray is all about - pointing finger at me (sounds familiar?) to get the job (while I hardly have a free moment during a day as I am WORKING NON STOP)....while person that he should talk to in the first place is himself!
GET A JOB should be voice that should hunt you every waken (well - even sleeping) moment of your life...
It is nice living off your spouses income (and AS PEOPLE SAY ::) - your mother's side business that left you some inheritance - so to speak...) but try to actually WORK for living...you have kids to feed - remember?
Owner of my gym (me...the owner...sounds good Shawn?) doesn't need to be "Internet tough guy" - I am answering to your comment that you could "put me in the wheelchair" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ( another example where TOUGH GUY SHAWN who is going to put me in the wheelchair (his words) is calling me a tough guy for responding with - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE for the love of God grow some balls for once in your lifetime and come see me ALONE to have a chat...)
You are typical and very predictable...as you are consistent throughout your life and everybody knows it.
And as far as my gym being empty - it is nicely "empty" for the 7 years that I own it...(with well over 2000 paying members - and counting... ;)).
Let me worry about my businesses and think about how you can sweet-talk Viotech people into another disastrous show promoting experience...(speaking of EMPTY :-*)...
Lastly - considering that you were so proudly telling all the people in our industry (and numerous fans) that you've never used any nutritional supplements (but than again - you were saying the same for "OTHER" kind of supplements as well ::)) - I really wonder how did you manage to talk Viotech people into signing you for an endorsement deal...(your BS ability is taking you places I must admit...but even that can't last forever. Soon your luck just might run out... ;))
Not knowing enough (anything?) about supplement line that you are endorsing is one thing but telling fans that you "don't take this sh.t" (your words exactly...) is completely another. So next time fan ask you about Norvaline instead of shrugging the shoulders and suggesting the same thing you did to Steve Seeley's 17 year old son (wanting to put some weight for football) it would be nice to hear "correct answer"...After all you are paid to PROMOTE and ENDORSE something....
And as far as your "punching the wall and sweating profusely" imagination goes - start imagining that "wall" being you...
I am having just my NORMAL DAY in the office - as always...
Scheduled "answer the E-mails and boards" session have just expired - so I have to go work as I have a JOB to do. A JOB...
Did I say a JOB?
That is something honorable that responsible people do to be able to put the food on the table for the family...
Sorry for failing to make 5000 words article this time around...I was not specially inspired...(maybe next time?)
Have an easy day...oh - I forgot - every day is the easy day for you...considering that you don'thave a JOB...
Job you latter!
hahahaha sarcev at his best..sarcev should b known as.....
THE NO. 1 ASSWIPE LOUD MOUTH CRACKHEAD OF THE WORLD ;)
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Ok "the shadow", the guy who wished that Phil Heat die cause he isn't a real bodybuilder ::)
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Milos the next time you show up at a show and shawn is there too you should wear a shirt that says "MR. MELTDOWN" and then show him the strength of your pimp hand. smack him and make him kiss your ring.
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Milos the next time you show up at a show and shawn is there too you should wear a shirt that says "MR. MELTDOWN" and then show him the strength of your pimp hand. smack him and make him kiss your ring.
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Milos the next time you show up at a show and shawn is there too you should wear a shirt that says "MR. MELTDOWN" and then show him the strength of your pimp hand. smack him and make him kiss your ring.
This thread is intereting but also funny as hell.
Sandra
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Ok "the shadow", the guy who wished that Phil Heat die cause he isn't a real bodybuilder ::)
i should not have said that but i don't like phil heath cuz he is too small to b even called as a bodybuilder..BUT
I AM VERY SORRY ABOUT THAT PHIL HEATH THING.. I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT HE SHOULD HAVE DIED..I APOLOGISE :'( :'( :'(
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ur silly long posts r just irrelvant...it seems u should get a job in some call center or something where u don't need real man power..
Irrelevant to careless people like you...For right kind of people (those who care enough to call me and send me Emails of support - AS THEY ACTUALLY READ the content and meaning of my posts) - this is a wonderful display of what real life is all about and what real Shawn is all about...
To many this so no surprise - just a conformation...
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Irrelevant to careless people like you...For right kind of people (those who care enough to call me and send me Emails of support - AS THEY ACTUALLY READ the content and meaning of my posts) - this is a wonderful display of what real life is all about and what real Shawn is all about...
To many this so no surprise - just a conformation...
wat can i say..ur posts have that unecssary rage and crap that no one is bother to read cuz its senseless..milos i think u got alot of spare time on ur hand to bitch about others and wanting to create attention of other board members...
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Man "fallow" I mean Shadow, the Milos stuff is interesting as hell. Your posts are an unintelligent rehash(content-wise) of whatever Shawn Ray thinks.
Or in your own words I might respond.
"Kant Miloch yest get it out of his mouth to be ownedd, and go sleepylike into meemee liand?
Respond leming!
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for someone (milos) who "works 60 hours a week, 6 days a week, and owns 4 buisnesses" he sure has a lot of time to post. long posts that is.
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for someone (milos) who "works 60 hours a week, 6 days a week, and owns 4 buisnesses" he sure has a lot of time to post. long posts that is.
I really don't understand you guys.
Besides 60 hours a week working I also spend 6-10 hours training; moderating my board; preparing NUMEROUS International athletes via Internet; writing the articles for the European edition of FLEX; reading new research or numerous books from my library; volunteering my time to the FITSHOW (this week we taped two new episodes which I hope fans of the sport would find interesting...and YES - as always they will be FREE of charge);preparing Malaysian team of bodybuilders (guests in my gym) and still having a time to spend QUALITY time with my family [tomorrow is Legoland Day...tonight is a bowling night...after this summer's 10 days vacation in Aruba plus 12 days touring Japan - all done with my wife and daughter...]
Again - it is nobody's business but mine - but I do want to address some of you who insist that I have too much "time to waste"...
I cherish every moment that I have and I've learned long ago - NOT TO WASTE MY TIME and instead do ONLY and ALWAYS things that I want to (or absolutely must) do...
Just because some of you don't write long (or meaningful) posts you might find my posts unusual...
I am just that way - detailed in everything that I do...Some might find it boring ( ???) but some actually appreciate detailed explanation - especially of IMPORTANT things...
Obviously - ALL OF YOU that read this possibly spend as much time as me (or much, much more ;D) on this board...hence you never asked yourself a question IF YOU ARE the ones wasting the time...
I would not pretend or lie - I love boards and I participate in few...
GETBIG is definitely one of the boards I like reading. Some of you guys are just hilarious (my wife also finds many of you very funny - she usually reads me some funny posts...), some are very informative and entertaining...and of course you have some miserable souls that just hate the world and therefore - everyone that exists - regardless of who or what they are...(While I made a piece with some of my "true fans" I still have some enemies...and I am working on converting those few into my friends...)
Not to be a smartass - I do want to mention something that I use quite often in my life: "who fails to plan - plans to fail"...so I do plan everything - and time management is much easier IF PLANED in advance...You will find that you can INDEED do so much more every day - if you simply put the time away for ANY/EVERY activity or interest that you might have...
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Milos, what do you think about the Vince Goodrum threads ?
I think they are the funniest ;D
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I really don't understand you guys.
Besides 60 hours a week working I also spend 6-10 hours training; moderating my board; preparing NUMEROUS International athletes via Internet; writing the articles for the European edition of FLEX; reading new research or numerous books from my library; volunteering my time to the FITSHOW (this week we taped two new episodes which I hope fans of the sport would find interesting...and YES - as always they will be FREE of charge);preparing Malaysian team of bodybuilders (guests in my gym) and still having a time to spend QUALITY time with my family [tomorrow is Legoland Day...tonight is a bowling night...after this summer's 10 days vacation in Aruba plus 12 days touring Japan - all done with my wife and daughter...]
Again - it is nobody's business but mine - but I do want to address some of you who insist that I have too much "time to waste"...
I cherish every moment that I have and I've learned long ago - NOT TO WASTE MY TIME and instead do ONLY and ALWAYS things that I want to (or absolutely must) do...
Just because some of you don't write long (or meaningful) posts you might find my posts unusual...
I am just that way - detailed in everything that I do...Some might find it boring ( ???) but some actually appreciate detailed explanation - especially of IMPORTANT things...
Obviously - ALL OF YOU that read this possibly spend as much time as me (or much, much more ;D) on this board...hence you never asked yourself a question IF YOU ARE the ones wasting the time...
I would not pretend or lie - I love boards and I participate in few...
GETBIG is definitely one of the boards I like reading. Some of you guys are just hilarious (my wife also finds many of you very funny - she usually reads me some funny posts...), some are very informative and entertaining...and of course you have some miserable souls that just hate the world and therefore - everyone that exists - regardless of who or what they are...(While I made a piece with some of my "true fans" I still have some enemies...and I am working on converting those few into my friends...)
Not to be a smartass - I do want to mention something that I use quite often in my life: "who fails to plan - plans to fail"...so I do plan everything - and time management is much easier IF PLANED in advance...You will find that you can INDEED do so much more every day - if you simply put the time away for ANY/EVERY activity or interest that you might have...
Great post Milos.
Everyone is allotted 24hrs in a day. How you manage that 24hrs is up to you. The last 4 presidents managed to run this country and find time for fitness.
I can see how Milos can manage his time. He isn't tied to a 9 to 5 like some, so can spend his time on his endeavors/businesses/family how it pleases him.
That is the great thing about being your own boss.
Sandra
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It's funny how you guys think Milos posts allot and has nothing to do. Sean has 4 times as many posts. Granted they are short posts but you know it takes the same amount of time to type them as it takes Milos to type his.
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I don't know why people are hating on Milos, I think he is a very cool dude
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Milos "The Meldown Man", you crack me up.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! >:(
I'll be at the Beach 8)
You like the new Crib? ;D ;D ;D
Not bad for never having a job and a "Stay at Home Wife."
Dont hate the Playa, Hate the game.
OooooooooooooeeeeeeeeOOO OOOOOooo back to work you go! :-*
Peace,
S
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Shawn, your house is obscenely big
And a 3 level fountain? Damn!
LOL ;D
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Good to see the hard work paid off Shawn.Nice place.
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Milos "The Meldown Man", you crack me up.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! >:(
I'll be at the Beach 8)
You like the new Crib? ;D ;D ;D
Not bad for never having a job and a "Stay at Home Wife."
Dont hate the Playa, Hate the game.
OooooooooooooeeeeeeeeOOO OOOOOooo back to work you go! :-*
Peace,
S
So shawn how long did it tell for the owners to tell you to get the f*^k off their lawn?
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Milos "The Meldown Man", you crack me up.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! >:(
I'll be at the Beach 8)
You like the new Crib? ;D ;D ;D
Not bad for never having a job and a "Stay at Home Wife."
Dont hate the Playa, Hate the game.
OooooooooooooeeeeeeeeOOO OOOOOooo back to work you go! :-*
Peace,
S
wow shawn when did your mommy and daddy buy you a new house???
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milos - what posters do you and your wife think are funny?
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So shawn how long did it tell for the owners to tell you to get the f*^k off their lawn?
HAHAH! ;D
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Milos "The Meldown Man", you crack me up.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! >:(
I'll be at the Beach 8)
You like the new Crib? ;D ;D ;D
Not bad for never having a job and a "Stay at Home Wife."
Dont hate the Playa, Hate the game.
OooooooooooooeeeeeeeeOOO OOOOOooo back to work you go! :-*
Peace,
S
What exactly are you trying to convey here Shawn? From my understanding, you were born into wealth. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've read. So I gather, money has never been an issue for you. So am I suppose to be impressed with what...honestly what? I don't believe I should be. I have a lot respect for people who have to work for a living, who there 9-5.......you know, work.... Have you ever worked hard at anything in your life bro, other then a bodybuilding show?
P.S. I think you do some really good charitable work. But your really doing a number on your legacy….especially as of late man.
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Milos "The Meldown Man", you crack me up.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! >:(
I'll be at the Beach 8)
You like the new Crib? ;D ;D ;D
Not bad for never having a job and a "Stay at Home Wife."
Dont hate the Playa, Hate the game.
OooooooooooooeeeeeeeeOOO OOOOOooo back to work you go! :-*
Peace,
S
Typical Shawn "the show off and 500 dollar millioner"...
I am glad that you are continuing showing yourself exactly as you are...
Contrary to you - I am not the type who is envious of others and one who hates seeing other people succeed.
Quite contrary - I am happy and inspired to see other people succeed and achieve something in their lives...You on another hand would celebrate any missfortune or tragedy of even someone very close to you...and that is SAD.
I have never talked about materialistic things and comparing who has what (especially what I have)...
You on another hand always have to flash everything for everyone to see - how successful and rich Mr. Ray truly is...
You legendary red Ferrari was shown so many times all over - I think even in the "Road to Olympia" tapes (including the tasteless footage of your house - like that is really important to bodybuilding fans to see ::)).
As you said to young aspiring bodybuilders: "maybe one day even you can get one of these (Ferrari)...of course ONLY if you are as successful as me - Mr. Shawn Sugar Ray 8)"...P -lease...
Well, certainly you never wanted to mention that Ferrari was not yours and that you were paying $500/month to keep it in your garage for someone else... ;). You being you (fake as a 3 dollar bill) would insist how successful and rich you are while you would cut 50 cents coupons to have great discount at your favorite Sizzler...(I still remember Boyer's face when you pulled that coupon at the cash register ;D)
I am looking foreward to go back to work...and simply TO WORK...
I was raised in Socialistic country where EVERYONE has to work (as hard as they can) - just to survive...
Working WHATEVER JOB is honorable thing to do and I respect everyone who has the job...(look at the dictionary what "job" means...because one of these days you just might run out of luck, your mother's should we call it - inheritance and your wife's paycheck...)
The crib looks really nice - I am happy for Kristy - she deserved it (after all - she paid for it...and she'll probably keep it...some time in the possibly near future).
I am not hating neither the player or the game...not even you - for that matter. I just refuse to hate - as hating gets you nowhere. It is strictly negative emotion and therefore not worth having ;D ;D ;D.
Oooooooo - back to work I (must) go...
Have fun on the beach :-* (I didn't know you can swim...)
O..just in case you were wondering - here is where I spend most of my day (my new office in my "empty" gym...) being productive (if you know what that means...but than again I am sure you do - getting that tan...drinking beer...doing nothing all day....)
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Showing off!!!!??? That's not Christian!!!
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Typical Shawn "the show off and 500 dollar millioner"...
I am glad that you are continuing showing yourself exactly as you are...
Contrary to you - I am not type who is envious of others and one who hates seeing other people succeed.
Quite contrary - I am happy and inspired to see other people succeed and achieve something in their lives...You on another hand would celebrate any missfortune or tragedy of even someone very close to you...and that is SAD.
I have never talked about materialistic things and comparing who has what (especially what I have)...
You on another hand always have to flash everything for everyone to see - how successful and rich Mr. Ray truly is...
You legendary red Ferrari was shown so many times all over - I think even in the Road to Olympia tapes (including the footage of your house - like that is really important to bodybuilding fans to see ::)).
As you said to young aspiring bodybuilders - maybe one day even you can get one of these (Ferrari)...of course ONLY if you are as successful as me - Mr. Shawn Sugar Ray 8)
Well, certainly you never wanted to mention that Ferrari was not yours and that you were paying $500/month to keep it in your garage for someone else... ;). You being you (fake as a 3 dollar bill) would insist how successful and rich you are while you would cut 50 cents coupons to have great discount at your favorite Sizzler...
I am looking foreward to go back to work...and simply TO WORK...
I was raised in Socialistic country where EVERYONE has to work (as hard as they can) - just to survive...
Working WHATEVER JOB is honorable thing to do and I respect everyone who has the job...(look at the dictionary what "job" means...because one of these days you just might run out of luck, your mother's should we call it - inheritance and your wife's paycheck...)
The crib looks really nice - I am happy for Kristy - she deserved it (after all - she paid for it...and she'll probably keep it...some time in the possibly near future).
I am not hating neither the player or the game...not even you - for that matter. I just refuse to hate - as hating gets you nowhere. It is strictly negative emotion and therefore not worth having ;D ;D ;D.
Oooooooo - back to work I (must) go...
Have fun on the beach :-*
Milos you have always come across on posts as a first class individual who keeps very down to earth. I applaud this.
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Shawn,, You the best ;D,, and you are the ONLY Pro bodybuilder who worked hard and still working on taking the sport to the next level
it was such an honor to me when i met u in Germany ;).
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/1.jpg)
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Shawn,, You the best ;D,, and you are the ONLY Pro bodybuilder who worked hard and still working on taking the sport to the next level
it was such an honor to me when i met u in Germany ;).
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/1.jpg)
is this the guy from team teh game??
whats you team up to?
nice crib shawn 8)
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I think Sami is doing the NOC?
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hahahaha Team THE GAME are backing Shawn up ;D
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"the game" oh brother..
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"the game" oh brother..
are you suggesting that "team the Game" likes the penis, Mars?
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Shawn,, You the best ;D,, and you are the ONLY Pro bodybuilder who worked hard and still working on taking the sport to the next level
it was such an honor to me when i met u in Germany ;).
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/1.jpg)
How much did you pay for that pic?
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remember alamini?
the guy's line was 'I'm that damn good" and claimed to be the gear guy for sami and other guys. He was later revealed to be a fraud. His only link was, he gave one of them a ill before a show which made them very ill. Seems he just popped in at their gym and shows, and was telling the world about their association.
he's been very quiet on the boards since.
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remember alamini?
the guy's line was 'I'm that damn good" and claimed to be the gear guy for sami and other guys. He was later revealed to be a fraud. His only link was, he gave one of them a ill before a show which made them very ill. Seems he just popped in at their gym and shows, and was telling the world about their association.
he's been very quiet on the boards since.
Ya I read there debate on Milos’ board; although it didn’t make sense. He was saying he was the guy’s trainer but the guy said he wasn’t but he followed his methods in diet and drug. And he got results but want sure if it was cause of alamini. It was kinda messed up.
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damn Shawn Ray is getting his ass handed to him by milos.. ;D
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Showing off!!!!??? That's not Christian!!!
Give Shawn a break, he's entitled to a nice house.. how else was he gonna spend the "charity golf" OC Hospital money?? .. Charity starts at home, don't it Shawn?
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Milos I just watched your Fitshow video, what kind of drink was that?
By how much are you going down in weight for each dropset?
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Milos I jus watched your Fitshow video, what kind of drink was that?
one part alize, one part cristal. thugs passion.
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dude, got a question for ya bud
why the hell do you wear straps for curls?
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This shit with Milos and Shawn in fuckkin great!
Their both going to be at the USA and I wondering if they can get this fight on? Shawn will run back to the hotel room and post his ass whoopin' the results.
Shawn = ass
Milos = class
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remember alamini?
the guy's line was 'I'm that damn good" and claimed to be the gear guy for sami and other guys. He was later revealed to be a fraud. His only link was, he gave one of them a ill before a show which made them very ill. Seems he just popped in at their gym and shows, and was telling the world about their association.
he's been very quiet on the boards since.
He was Jaejown3d !! That is why he is quiet!!
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Ah Milos.............."I PLEAD NO CONTEST!"
Your office Blows me away.
Now I know why they call you "The Mind!" ::)
So many Books, impressive! :o
Where do they say SYNTHOL will make you into a Champion?
Not once but TWICE!
Remember, when your wife shot up yout "TRICEPS" and you dropped to the floor with the Last Will and Testiment being read to you?
Smart Milos, you didn't learn from the first time you did it, now look at you trying to throw stones in glass houses.
Dont even get me started or the rest will flow like Gin and JUICE :o
You wanna bring your girl into this?
Dont even start trying to drag family into it, you will lose BIG! :-*
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Ah Milos.............."I PLEAD NO CONTEST!"
Your office Blows me away.
Now I know why they call you "The Mind!" ::)
So many Books, impressive! :o
Where do they say SYNTHOL will make you into a Champion?
Not once but TWICE!
Remember, when your wife shot up yout "TRICEPS" and you dropped to the floor with the Last Will and Testiment being read to you?
Smart Milos, you didn't learn from the first time you did it, now look at you trying to throw stones in glass houses.
Dont even get me started or the rest will flow like Gin and JUICE :o
You wanna bring your girl into this?
Dont even start trying to drag family into it, you will lose BIG! :-*
Christian Behavior
We are called to be a godly people who think, feel, and act in harmony with the principles of heaven. For the Spirit to recreate in us the character of our Lord we involve ourselves only in those things which will produce Christlike purity, health, and joy in our lives. This means that our amusement and entertainment should meet the highest standards of Christian taste and beauty. While recognizing cultural differences, our dress is to be simple, modest, and neat, befitting those whose true beauty does not consist of outward adornment but in the imperishable ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit. It also means that because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well. Instead, we are to engage in whatever brings our thoughts and bodies into the discipline of Christ, who desires our wholesomeness, joy, and goodness.
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I like that statue with the scales of justice in milos office,how fitting.
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Ah Milos.............."I PLEAD NO CONTEST!"
Your office Blows me away.
Now I know why they call you "The Mind!" ::)
So many Books, impressive! :o
Where do they say SYNTHOL will make you into a Champion?
Not once but TWICE!
Remember, when your wife shot up yout "TRICEPS" and you dropped to the floor with the Last Will and Testiment being read to you?
Smart Milos, you didn't learn from the first time you did it, now look at you trying to throw stones in glass houses.
Dont even get me started or the rest will flow like Gin and JUICE :o
You wanna bring your girl into this?
Dont even start trying to drag family into it, you will lose BIG! :-*
Here we go again...You can't fail but ALWAYS give YOUR version (modified to your likings...) of the chain of events and the simple facts.
YES, I got myself into MAJOR trouble using synthol.
Absolutely THE STUPIDEST thing I have ever done in my life - and I paid almost the ULTIMATE price for it.
Yes - I could/should have died after that synthol injection into my triceps...
Needless to say - that accident coast me participation in 2000 Mr. Olympia contest for which I was qualified - but not allowed to compete (Wayne told me that IFBB would NOT let me compete - and I accepted the punishment as I have deserved it...)
Also - I said numerous times that indeed - synthol DESTROYED everything that I worked for so hard - for more than two decades. It coast me my career (BTW - I am in process of getting that career back on track - but that's another story...)!
I voluntarily did the interview with Peter for FLEX magazine as both of us wanted to use my example and my foolish mistake to warn other bodybuilders NOT to even think about EVER using synthol.
Both - Peter and I knew that I was not a sole example of the IFBB professional (Olympia competitor) that chose to use this substance...and we wanted everybody (pros, amateurs and recreational bodybuilders who were all using synthol at the time) to hear (read about it) what I had to say - with one hope in mind - TO MAKE THEM STOP!
I've personally discouraged many (phone calls, discussions, E-mails, several bodybuilding boards, FLEX article...etc, etc), MANY bodybuilders from using synthol and I will continue to do that - for the rest of my life.
So Shawn - I'll give you that - you can call me down right STUPID for using synthol and I would not say a word.
But how did you come up with - "not once but twice" story all of the sudden?
It happened ONCE and you know it...but you wouldn't be you if you purposely wouldn't try to put the oil on the fire - even when fire is completely tamed (absolutely no reason for it - and no point of doing whatsoever - but that devil inside you just have to do - SOMETHING).
I've learned my lesson...and even allowed FLEX to make myself an embarrassing example to SAVE others.
I would ALWAYS admit making that mistake (I did it and can't take it back) but AS YOU KNOW IT - I didn't repeat it (like I didn't do ANY of the things you told the DEA...or what you were telling /and still saying/ about me to numerous people around you.)
As you already know - I gave you long ago a green light to tell "the rest"...
Let it flow like a "Gin and the Juice" (nice life you're having...so much for protein shakes and "Viotech" ::))
I really don't know (or understand) where did you come up with: "You wanna bring your girl into this?"
But considering your track record - NOTHING can surprise me anymore...
All I can say - GO AHEAD...MAKE MY DAY ;)!
Didn't you already suggest how I would "lose big" if you only decide to say what you know?
Anything and everything Shawn - go right ahead...I have no problem with it.
If you didn't notice so far you've been wrong just - EVERY SINGLE time...Why?
Because you can only assume some things and you certainly don't know ANYTHING about me.
Continue presenting yourself as you are - it is priceless...
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Milos, I gain more and more respect for you every day. In a sport where everyone is shady and blames anyone but themselves, you seem to own up to everything you've done wrong in the past.
In the end, one of you is still working hard and creating a larger business for your name every day. The other one is running a struggling show using his name, belittling those with less than him, and showing off his belongings on message boards. In the end, history and your peers will choose the bigger man, and you've got my vote, Milos.
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Milos help me out on my opinion here. Shawn Ray comes across as condescending, arrogant, a liar and someone who will say what he wants to tip things in his favor. I could be way wrong, but nothing points to him being a decent human being. He pumps himself up and belittles others. This is the vibe I get. am I wrong?
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Ah Milos.............."I PLEAD NO CONTEST!"
Your office Blows me away.
Now I know why they call you "The Mind!" ::)
So many Books, impressive! :o
Where do they say SYNTHOL will make you into a Champion?
Not once but TWICE!
Remember, when your wife shot up yout "TRICEPS" and you dropped to the floor with the Last Will and Testiment being read to you?
Smart Milos, you didn't learn from the first time you did it, now look at you trying to throw stones in glass houses.
Dont even get me started or the rest will flow like Gin and JUICE :o
You wanna bring your girl into this?
Dont even start trying to drag family into it, you will lose BIG! :-*
I knew that had to be Shawns office, cause those guys don't read books.
The Beef
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Milos help me out on my opinion here. Shawn Ray comes across as condescending, arrogant, a liar and someone who will say what he wants to tip things in his favor. I could be way wrong, but nothing points to him being a decent human being. He pumps himself up and belittles others. This is the vibe I get. am I wrong?
Can we get a cigar for the winner. A tiger can't change his stripes guys. He has had the reputation for many years being a liar, con artist and bullshit king. Everything he says he says to make him look good . ONLY the people who have never met him or done business with him praise him. And the few who do praise him have not done business with him enough or they live to close for him to screw. Milos has been nothing but up front and cander about his past, as where our fellow Getbig Jester justs sidesteps everything and makes jokes. It's good to see that allot of people on here see through the bullshit. Like I have said before he was a great bodybuilder but is the worst person. His whole life it has been ONLY for him. Now he thinks doing a golf tournament and raising a little money will change his karma. Doubt it. And the born again christian is just another line.
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i just read this whole thread and even listened to radio show with Milos.
First things first, I have gained a lot of respect for Milos.
Milos, you sound very intelligent in your posts and you express yourself in a professional manner.
you also seem very knowledgeable about bodybuilding.
People come to this site because they have an interest in bodybuilding
I think its great that people on this site gets to interact with pros.
Pros are the people that a lot of us look up to.
If not for them, we wouldnt even know that having a muscular aesthetic physique looks good.
There are not many other "Sports" where fans get to communicate with pros.
When was the last time anyone spoke to Alex Rodriguez or Jim Thome on a forum.
As far as Shawn Ray is concerned, there is no doubt that he was one hell of a competitor back in the day, but he comes off as such an idiot and a child. At least Milos' posts have substance.
If Milos is accurate about Shawn Ray talking to DEA about false info, then SR is in fact the lowest form of life there is. Shawn, you try to sound all gangsta in your posts. Next time you gonna keep it real, just think what people IN DA HOOD think of RATS. A real man doesnt rat out another man. Especially if they are giving out false info that ends up costing others thousands.
Shawn, you were always a giant on stage.
you should have let you physique speak for itself
Its when you open your mouth that you show what a midget you are
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I thought Shawn has a kid? What the hell are you doing on the net 23 hours a day? WTF? Help your wife out once in a while.
for a 40 year old father, your immature rants are pathetic.
Milos, just beat this mutthafukkaz ass already!
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1. Who cares if Milos was guilty on "conspiracy for personal use". For pete's sake, he's a professional bodybuilder!! This would be like blaming a F1 driver when he has a speeding ticket. Of course it's wrong but let's see it in perspective please. Seriously, what pro BB wouldn't be eligible for the courts?
After such a long investigation this outcome shows that the feds did not have a solid case. It's like you are investigated for taxes, you gotta give them something or they won't go away.
2. Even if Milos would deal Steriods, it's still pretty weak for another bodybuilder to rat him out. I'd expect that from someone who's not professionally competing, but from a fellow BB? Damn, that's pretty sad.
3. After reading Shawn's reply's it shows he's a shit. Is he supposed to be born again Christian? Is this serious? Cos I couldn't see it in his replies.
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The continuation of this thread iterates that Milos, while being a bit long-winded, seems to be forthright. Shawn, on the other hand, tries to be 'hip' and his flippancy only serve make him look like a responsibility-dodging jackass.
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Shawn..Since I started BBing 1988,you have been my hero.....
And you were the person who live above the clouds for me(What I want to say is that you were my bbing god..).
But,why why why why why you look just normal person lately.
Not just bible,but learn another philosophy too. And you will understand(better saying "Notice") the real meaning of bible at last. I just feel your soul unstable.
If you need some help,answer me.
Kyomu(Absolutuly nothing,vacant and beyond existance and non-existance)
P.S. Please dont take me wrong.I am not saying that you are wrong about Milos.
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Milos,
Nobody sides with Shawn here so no real need to continue this. To do so is unnecessary and brings you down to a level that you've done well to avoid here so far.
Keep the class angle, lets not go down the road of message board threats, it diminishes anybody's stock. :-\
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Shawn I give you a word.
"There is no fish who search for the water".
God is everywhere(Not IN everywhere).
You dont need to be "good son" for the god. Whatever you do(Good or bad),god make you do.So relax and stay cool. ;)
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Milos,
Nobody sides with Shawn here so no real need to continue this. To do so is unnecessary and brings you down to a level that you've done well to avoid here so far.
Keep the class angle, lets not go down the road of message board threats, it diminishes anybody's stock. :-\
Well said and well written.
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I agree with 240 and everyone else speaking on behalf of Milos.
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Contrary to you - I am not the type who is envious of others and one who hates seeing other people succeed.
Quite contrary - I am happy and inspired to see other people succeed and achieve something in their lives...You on another hand would celebrate any missfortune or tragedy of even someone very close to you...and that is SAD.
I have never talked about materialistic things and comparing who has what (especially what I have)...
You on another hand always have to flash everything for everyone to see - how successful and rich Mr. Ray truly is...
good point
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Shawn..Since I started BBing 1988,you have been my hero.....
And you were the person who live above the clouds for me(What I want to say is that you were my bbing god..).
But,why why why why why you look just normal person lately.
Not just bible,but learn another philosophy too. And you will understand(better saying "Notice") the real meaning of bible at last. I just feel your soul unstable.
If you need some help,answer me.
Kyomu(Absolutuly nothing,vacant and beyond existance and non-existance)
P.S. Please dont take me wrong.I am not saying that you are wrong about Milos.
Oh dear ::)
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1. Who cares if Milos was guilty on "conspiracy for personal use". For pete's sake, he's a professional bodybuilder!! This would be like blaming a F1 driver when he has a speeding ticket. Of course it's wrong but let's see it in perspective please. Seriously, what pro BB wouldn't be eligible for the courts?
After such a long investigation this outcome shows that the feds did not have a solid case. It's like you are investigated for taxes, you gotta give them something or they won't go away.
2. Even if Milos would deal Steriods, it's still pretty weak for another bodybuilder to rat him out. I'd expect that from someone who's not professionally competing, but from a fellow BB? Damn, that's pretty sad.
3. After reading Shawn's reply's it shows he's a shit. Is he supposed to be born again Christian? Is this serious? Cos I couldn't see it in his replies.
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F1 racers drive fast only on track. &who said Shawn tipped the feds about Milos?? Milos himself; and if Shawn did then Milos shouldn’t get upset cause he knew this was coming once he started dealing.
Mlos said he wanted to get the Money to Dennis in Thailand. Anyone heard of “Western Union”
You wanna make some extra bucks via drugs; power to you; but don’t blame others when you get caught. Cause crime dose not pay
And I don’t buy it that Milos didn’t do anything “no fire without smoke”
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I think that the fact that Shawn is soo blatant with the accusations and exhibinting such recklessness in his post, that there actually may be truth. And Milos, how come you had to fly the money out to Dennis>? cant you wire it to him ?
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F1 racers drive fast only on track. &who said Shawn tipped the feds about Milos?? Milos himself; and if Shawn did then Milos shouldn’t get upset cause he knew this was coming once he started dealing.
Mlos said he wanted to get the Money to Dennis in Thailand. Anyone heard of “Western Union”
You wanna make some extra bucks via drugs; power to you; but don’t blame others when you get caught. Cause crime dose not pay
And I don’t buy it that Milos didn’t do anything “no fire without smoke”
LOL @ shawn's troll account!!
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Western Union has crazy fees and and you really think for a house someone would wire that much money. Wouldn't it be cheaper to fly down with the money and just have to pay for the ticket to get there than have to pay all those fees?
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What about online banking ?
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Western Union has crazy fees and and you really think for a house someone would wire that much money. Wouldn't it be cheaper to fly down with the money and just have to pay for the ticket to get there than have to pay all those fees?
No flying will never be cheaper than TT or Western union
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A lot of people think the guys who post here are knuckleheads. Well, they clearly see what is going on and that is enlightening. The one thing that is irrefutable is that Shawn has not denied he ratted on Milos and Dennis to the DEA. End of story. Naturally, Milos is pissed off and had his reputation and bank balance damaged big time. Heck, let him clear his name and do it as long as he needs to. If you notice, Shawn is perpetuating the saga by his more or less stating he, Shawn, is innocent of all wrong doing and implying that Milos is guilty of something. This drama has now become the theatre of the absurd. Shawn is playing his part as a clown but is fooling no one. Not even his fans can stand the stench this bizarre trespass has generated for him. Milos seems to be begging Shawn to hit him with his best shot. We have seen nothing yet. I will make another batch of popcorn while Shawn looks into his book of dirty tricks and gives us another gem.
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I have finished too much popcorn from this saga!!! They should make a movie!!
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This is the thread where Shawn might lose all and any credibility he once might have had as a pro.
Sad way to go,
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Shawn I give you a word.
"There is no fish who search for the water".
God is everywhere(Not IN everywhere).
You dont need to be "good son" for the god. Whatever you do(Good or bad),god make you do.So relax and stay cool. ;)
Oh yes there is. Have you ever seen a fish out of water or when you break their fish tank. Sean is out of water since he retired. His tank has broke, that is why he does what he does now He is trying to get back into the water. But alas, he will just drown. Poor boy.
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Milos your solution is simple.
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ANYONE who rats another man out on ANYTHING is the scum of the earth. I have never seen a "born again christian" act like this.
Shawn, don't think your success in BBing has made you GOD and better than everyone else. So what....you beat Milos on stage! Now, why don't you compare characters? You seem like you thrive on someone else's troubles by publicly bringing it out it the open and rehashing it over and over again.
I aint taking sides here, but I call an ass an ass when I see it. And you a ASS!
Bump for Milos.
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Shawn il rember you for being a rat a lot longer than a bodybuilder and so will others, and like all rats youl get yours in the end.
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Shawn il rember you for being a rat a lot longer than a bodybuilder and so will others, and like all rats youl get yours in the end.
Great post
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All rats belong in the gutter. As far as I'm concerned, that's what i think about him.
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Shawn Ray, now retired from bodybuilding has let himself go a bit.
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Shawn Ray, now retired from bodybuilding has let himself go a bit.
I met Ed Roth a week before he died. He was in Vegas at a car show. Many his shit was awesome. Rat Fink was great.
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Milos,
Nobody sides with Shawn here so no real need to continue this. To do so is unnecessary and brings you down to a level that you've done well to avoid here so far.
Keep the class angle, lets not go down the road of message board threats, it diminishes anybody's stock. :-\
Rocket...as much as I appreciate your advice and concern - I don't think that simply communicating here (the way I do) I am lowering myself to "certain level of the lower class"...
As I said before - I love boards (this board in particular...as MOST OF YOU DO TOO - otherwise nobody would be here ;)).
Boards are becoming STRONG media where thousands of people around the world can get their information, entertainment and freshest news about our loved occupation (sport)...and many other things...
My investigation started MORE THAN 3 YEARS AGO...I think I waited enough time.
First and foremost (as much as SOME of you DO NOT WANT to believe) I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with steroid dealings!
Never, not a single time, single tablet, single ampule (or single "UNIT" as I've learned the term that DEA is using to determine quantity of AS).
That is the statement that I stand 100 % behind it - but I am aware that I would be "crucified" by so many people - simply because they would want to assume that me being a pro bodybuilder, trainer and the contest preparation "guru", one of the 5 guys in BALCO's "Project World Record", close friend of Victor Conte with whom I communicated frequently since 1995, owner of the gym where most of the competitive bodybuilders train...and to top it off someone who was accused by someone else ( ::)) FOR MANY YEARS to be also a "dealer" of the things much "greater" than AS with story circulating around the Orange County area...(story and the information that got serious attention of the DEA agents involved in my case).
Just like the example of me taking the money to Dennis (which I did for EXACT reasons I've mentioned) - people that want to see foul play in everything that I do - would question WHY would I bring him the money instead of using wire transfer, Western Union, direct deposit to the bank...etc, etc...
IF anything like that was possible - don't you think that Weider organisation would FIND THE WAY to send Dennis his paycheck to Thailand?
As IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE - for FOUR YEARS (we are talking - full four years - and that can be very easily confirmed by Weider organisation) Dennis's Weider Endorsement Monthly Paycheck was sent to me (my home address) and I would deposit it into his personal account - here in the USA.
Even something as harmless as that would raise the eyebrows of people that just want to be sceptics...
On comment that FORMULA 1 driver is expected to have numerous speeding tickets - I would certainly believe that there are many of them that NEVER got the ticket and contrary to what is expected from them (reckless driving) they indeed might be very carefull drivers...
I know several mixed martial artists and professional fighters that NEVER (not once) got engaged in the fight - outside of the ring...
And I am 100% certain that besides myself - there are NUMEROUS competitive bodybuilders who have NEVER and I repeat: NEVER (which means: NOT ONCE ;)) sold steroids to anyone...
I understand that many of you would suspect that "where is the smoke - there is the fire..." and when I was investigated - few would assume that I must be guilty...
But after I was found innocent of any dealing/distribution...etc - few of you still want to ASSUME that I must be guilty if nothing else: "guilty by association" (being the IFBB professional competitive bodybuilder...)
To those people I have nothing more to say - I think I said enough...
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Milos,
Any chance of us seeing you or any of your team at the NOC?
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Fantastic to see a Pro that has nothing to do with steroids or Gh or any drug deals,so I guess all the steroids,Gh,synthol and many other products came from your doctor.Other wise you were involved with dealing as the buyer not the seller.But if with your medical staff very legal.You often say that you love all people and love to give so much to the sport,Then why charge so much to train the ones you love and you could sell your dvds much cheaper esp to the ones you love.
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Fantastic to see a Pro that has nothing to do with steroids or Gh or any drug deals,so I guess all the steroids,Gh,synthol and many other products came from your doctor.Other wise you were involved with dealing as the buyer not the seller.But if with your medical staff very legal.You often say that you love all people and love to give so much to the sport,Then why charge so much to train the ones you love and you could sell your dvds much cheaper esp to the ones you love.
If the market is there, you should charge what people are willing to pay. If no one paid the fees, he would be out of business. I think his
DVD was worth the purchase price.
If I was one of the little boys he challenged to come to his gym, work out with him, his wife, free pass to the gym, plus $1000. I would have taken it.
Some people find to be able to work with a legend is well worth it.
Sandra
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Fantastic to see a Pro that has nothing to do with steroids or Gh or any drug deals,so I guess all the steroids,Gh,synthol and many other products came from your doctor.Other wise you were involved with dealing as the buyer not the seller.But if with your medical staff very legal.You often say that you love all people and love to give so much to the sport,Then why charge so much to train the ones you love and you could sell your dvds much cheaper esp to the ones you love.
FYI - Most of the material contained in his dvds is avaliable for free at bodybuilding.com. And who are you to decide the right price for his professional consulence and advice? If there are people willing to pay it means that for them the information he can provide is that valuable.
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Good for Milos that he has never sold steroids. Gym owners are asked about steroids all the time. I have never sold steroids, either. For over 20 years I refused to sell vitamins and supplements but my partner, Roz, said the guys were buying elsewhere so why not provide them at a discount to them. I think many make assumptions about gym owners and professionals. I suppose there are some who might obtain things for close mates but anyone nowadays who fools around with these illegal substances is asking for trouble. It is refreshing to hear a champion who is a gym owner tell it like it is and set a good standard for others to follow. We all know that bodybuilders and the public believe all manner of things about the sport and that makes it difficult for those who don't subscribe to the stereotypes for bodybuilders or gym owners. Most guys believe you need drugs to win a big contest. I doubt anyone can change their minds. Therefore these guys find a way to get whatever they need to help them succeed.
About gyms being empty some of the time. Yep, that happens during quiet times during the day when most are at school or work. When it is all said and done gyms are not that profitable and no one needs anyone spreading bad stories about a gym or the owner.
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And I am 100% certain that besides myself - there are NUMEROUS competitive bodybuilders who have NEVER and I repeat: NEVER (which means: NOT ONCE Wink) sold steroids to anyone...
I was always told it was John Brown ( Professional Bodybuilder ) who hooked Shawn ray up with his gear. I don't know if this was fact or gossip.
The Beef
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If Milos keeps on replying these insane comments I am sure he & his friend have a good chance of going back to Uncle Sam’s 4X6 and bucket to shit in.
The only way of money transfer was to take a 20hour flight to hand Dennis the Money. That’s really original. We are talking about 4 year ago not 4 decades.
Another option would have been money order (Draft) via registered air mail or courier. Maybe that wasn’t an option 4 decades years ago either
Team Shawn Ray
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If Milos keeps on replying these insane comments I am sure he & his friend have a good chance of going back to Uncle Sam’s 4X6 and bucket to shit in.
The only way of money transfer was to take a 20hour flight to hand Dennis the Money. That’s really original. We are talking about 4 year ago not 4 decades.
Another option would have been money order (Draft) via registered air mail or courier. Maybe that wasn’t an option 4 decades years ago either
Team Shawn Ray
Are you the player to named later? ::)
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If Milos keeps on replying these insane comments I am sure he & his friend have a good chance of going back to Uncle Sam’s 4X6 and bucket to shit in.
The only way of money transfer was to take a 20hour flight to hand Dennis the Money. That’s really original. We are talking about 4 year ago not 4 decades.
Another option would have been money order (Draft) via registered air mail or courier. Maybe that wasn’t an option 4 decades years ago either
Team Shawn Ray
Regardless of how, why, or for what reasons the money was transferred, why tell the DEA anything (whether true or not) to begin with? Was it to save your own ass, or were there other ulterior motives? Did the feds threaten to charge you as part of that if you didn't sing? Or did they have some other dirt to use against you?
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No one still knows if Shawn said anything or not. As they didn’t get any evidence over Milos’ Drug dealing; no one has evidence of Shawn saying anything
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No one still knows if Shawn said anything or not. As they didn’t get any evidence over Milos’ Drug dealing; no one has evidence of Shawn saying anything
Yeah, feds like to plot people against each other even if nothing is there. They think that someone will meltdown and bring light to the case. Hahahah
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No one still knows if Shawn said anything or not. As they didn’t get any evidence over Milos’ Drug dealing; no one has evidence of Shawn saying anything
Then why hasn't Shawn denied saying anything to the DEA? If I was being wrongly accused of being a rat, I would clearly and adamantly deny the accusation, rather than continue to imply that the person I was accused of ratting on was guilty of what they were suspected of doing. Milos has repeatedly denied being guilty of distributing steroids. Shawn has not denied ratting him out. Why not?
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Milos has repeatedly denied being guilty of distributing steroids. Shawn has not denied ratting him out. Why not?
I'm coming in late to this movie. So excuse what might be a stupid question...
What is Shawn's alleged motivation for this ratting? Personal dislike of Milos? Sidelining the competion?
Or is he just, you know, pure evil ?
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Ask milos he has plenty of friends just ask him.
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I'm coming in late to this movie. So excuse what might be a stupid question...
What is Shawn's alleged motivation for this ratting? Personal dislike of Milos? Sidelining the competion?
Or is he just, you know, pure evil ?
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That's "The $64,000 question"... it's "what Enquiring minds would like to know", etc. I guess we'll never know. Usually saving one's own ass is the most obvious reason for turning rat. But there may be a different, less obvious motive. And the two people who would be most likely to know for sure won't answer the question.
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Fantastic to see a Pro that has nothing to do with steroids or Gh or any drug deals,so I guess all the steroids,Gh,synthol and many other products came from your doctor.Other wise you were involved with dealing as the buyer not the seller.But if with your medical staff very legal.You often say that you love all people and love to give so much to the sport,Then why charge so much to train the ones you love and you could sell your dvds much cheaper esp to the ones you love.
Interesting statement Miss Karen.
Can I ask you what loving people has to to with charging them for your services?
My clients love what I do for them and have no problem paying for it...
Years ago when I didn't charge anyone for my services few people insisted to pay me.
At the time I told them - "I can't charge a friend..." and their response was -" friend would know how to respect friends business and we are happy to pay you. After all if we don't pay you we would have to hire someone else....Besides - how do you plan to feed the family if you help everyone for free?"
But, as you have already mentioned - are you saying that Shawn is better man than me - as he does not charge for his services ;D ;D ;D ;D or his DVD's???
If you didn't notice - I am responding to all of your questions even though it is more than obvious that you are not wishing me anything good...
Your remarks are out of place and hurtfull - but I am respectfully taking it...
I can't make you (or anyone else) like me...but I would sure hope that AT LEAST some of you would REALLY think about what happened in my case.
Federal Government has over 95% conviction rate (or 99.5%?) on all of their cases...NOTHING can pass by them - so if there was anything, even a smallest little thing - everyone would know that by now...
While Jim Manion (IFBB and NPC president) , Weider office (my sponsor) and other important people involved in the sport DO NOT UNDERSTAND Shawn's continuous attacks and they are absolutely convinced that indeed I am innocent (and certainly Dennis along with me)...as THEY KNOW HOW GOVERNEMENT WORKS - I still keep hearing many people's assumptions (smoke/fire and bodybuilder/steroids connection as a REASONS that some of you still believe what you want to believe) of my "guilt"...
Shawn also proudly mentions the names of ALL the bodybuilders subpoenaed to testify against me as "something" that supposedly proves my guilt ::)
Not a single ONE had anything to say that would remotely be damaging to me.
NOT A SINGLE ONE...
Melvin's testimony was THE BEST - as agents got really interested in one of his Emails when he confirmed to Dennis that he delivered all the GLUCOLIN to me...
They were going to make a strong point asking if he indeed brought me something from Thailand (from Dennis) - as they had a copy of his Email.
After he admitted that indeed he brought me 8 containers - agents were delighted to get FIRST PIECE OF THE EVIDENCE...
They asked Melvin if he uses that GLUCOLIN and other bodybuilders as well...and he told them - Milos told us how to use it and we are all doing it
Discussion was going on for a while until finally Melvin had to tell them - GLUCOLIN is NOT A STEROID...It is a SUGAR.
"Glucolin" (brand name of the product from Thailand) is nothing else than D-Glucose!
Grand Jury had a good laugh and agents just got more upset...
Well, that is extend of the testimony of numerous IFBB PROS subpoenaed to appear in Iowa...
Ronnie and few others could only say - NO and NEVER....but Shawn would like to present it differently.
Now, as he ALSO so proudly announces that he WAS NOT CALLED TO TESTIFY...can anyone (SHAWN?) explain how can he still continue claiming that I am guilty of something IF HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING INTERESTING TO SAY TO THE AGENTS in their numerous meetings in his house?
After all IF HE HAD a knowledge of something (ANYTHING) - wouldn't he be THE FIRST ONE ON THE STAND?
Well?
Nothing to say to the agents...but warning me here NOT TO PUSH MY LUCK as he just might open his mouth (mouth that was not closed for 40 years - anyway...) and say something that I would regret it ::) ::) ::)
Influenced with Shawn's comments some of you also like to jump in with the piece of advice that I better shut up or Uncle Sam would come after me...
As all of you can see - I have no problem "pushing my luck"...and there must be a reason for that - don't you think?
I didn't speak at the time of investigation as I thought it would be inappropriate.
I didn't discuss it even after the case was over...but as Shawn keeps saying things (to this day) - I decided to reveal everything.
Few bodybuilders approached me in Vegas last weekend telling me WHAT THEY THINK about this whole thing...and that was exactly a reason why I even got involved in this discussion in the first place.
Seeing Shawn "in his element" is priceless...
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If Milos keeps on replying these insane comments I am sure he & his friend have a good chance of going back to Uncle Sam’s 4X6 and bucket to shit in.
The only way of money transfer was to take a 20hour flight to hand Dennis the Money. That’s really original. We are talking about 4 year ago not 4 decades.
Another option would have been money order (Draft) via registered air mail or courier. Maybe that wasn’t an option 4 decades years ago either
Team Shawn Ray
Going back to the place I've never been in?
Let me worry about Uncle Sam...Uncle is not too loving but he is getting better every day...
As money transfer is still your "obsession" and sign of my "suspicious dealings" - AGAIN - I am saying that WEIDER COMPANY....multimillion dollar company established decades ago and having numerous endorsing athletes around the world DID NOT FIND A SINGLE WAY of transferring money to Dennis and INSTEAD they were mailing his check FOR 4 YEARS to my home address.
Are you suggesting that I should have found the way (money transfer, wire, money order, draft, direct deposit...or who knows what else?) IF somebody MUCH. MUCH BIGGER than me (Weider Organisation) could NOT find it?
But, AS USUAL - people that want to see foul play in anything would see something suspicious here as well...
Money was Dennis's and he asked me to do him a favor and bring it to him - as he was in process of building his house!
He talked to banks manager and told him to release certain amount of money to me...
Shawn overheard that "certain amount" (we were having lunch when Dennis called me) and he knew EXACT reason what this money was for (Dennis's house) - but Shawn wouldn't be Shawn if he wouldn't manipulate few things around - making SOMETHING out of NOTHING....(and obviously YOU belonging to his TEAM must be the same...)
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Hey Milos stop losing your time in this thread and bring your wife to the restaurant for your anniversary ;)
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I am not in Shawn Ray camp never was but you still did not say how you got all those BB drugs,a good doctor no doubt.That's all I said was about your claim to never dealing so I take that to mean buying as well???.
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I am not in Shawn Ray camp never was but you still did not say how you got all those BB drugs,a good doctor no doubt.That's all I said was about your claim to never dealing so I take that to mean buying as well???.
Do you really expect an answer?
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NO as I am sure he and all his athletes are clean of banned Drugs.He made the claim not me.
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From where I am it seems to me only an innocent person would carry on like Milos is doing. Can anyone imagine Shawn remaining silent while Milos is telling his side of it? I can't. If nothing else Milos has established excellent integrity here while Shawn has become a rather nasty human being. End of story as far as I can see. A pity those two were former mates. Sometimes that happens. Just when we think the thread is slipping into obscurity and both parties will be relieved up it pops again and each time Milos says similar things and each time that reinforces the veracity of what he is saying. Who out there in bodybuilding would like to have the DEA investigate him? Why didn't Shawn testify at the trial against Milos if he had evidence? Something stinks here and it isn't Milos.
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If I had anything to say about milos, trust me I would have Testified!
Because I didn't doesn't mean he is and was not a Dealer.
Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)
OJ continues to state his innocence as well, and ? :-*
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If I had anything to say about milos, trust me I would have Testified!
Because I didn't doesn't mean he is and was not a Dealer.
Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)
OJ continues to state his innocence as well, and ? :-*
You didn't have to testify. I'm sure you said it all at your kitchen table. We all know you "bought and sold" in your time. So why are you on here calling Milos out?
You're a DISGRACE!
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I think shawn has what we call here, SHORT, FAT, LITTLE UGLY MAN SYNDROME!!! ;D
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interesting thread
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Really ;D
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There he goes again, Mr.Shawn
Somebody help me here ::)
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If I had anything to say about milos, trust me I would have Testified!
Because I didn't doesn't mean he is and was not a Dealer.
Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)
OJ continues to state his innocence as well, and ? :-*
IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED... ???
With that statement it is safe to assume - YOU HAD NOTHING TO SAY! ;)...so WHY did you and WHY are you continuing to insinuate something?
HOW and WHY are you continuing to make the claims that I AM GUILTY of something IF you have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of any wrong doing from my side? Lying to FEDS would put you to jail...but posting here on the board is - harmless (to you)...
This is NOT the first time you've compared me with the OJ...and you do it AS ALWAYS - with a reason...being calculative as..ole that you are.
***[While I could never point finger at OJ and say with certainty that he killed anyone - let alone his wife - I am aware that majority of people would WANT to believe that he did - and you are playing with THE SAME general opinion of population about my case...People would WANT to believe that IFBB pro bodybuilder, trainer of other competitors and someone who was involved with BALCO labs - MUST BE guilty if steroids are concerened...
People wouldn't even want to give an honest try to actually THINK ABOUT IT - as it is hell of a much easier to simply assume - "well, we all know that steroids are in professional bodybuilding so IF IFBB pro is accused of something in connection with steroids let's assume he is guilty..."
Difference is - while I have NEVER denied that I have used steroids I will ALWAYS deny even a single case of steroid distribution/delaing...something that you are trying for so long to tell anyone who wants to listen!
Another important observation is: son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who reportedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time...is pointing the finger on someone (ME) who's entire family (me included) have NO CRIMINAL record and were considered examplory citisens due to our actions and way of living...
JUST BECAUSE someone (YOU - through Steve Seeley) pointed finger at me...and under the circumstances THERE WERE MANY THINGS that feds could consider suspicious - my investigation started...
But, AS INTELIGENT PEOPLE KNOW - when Federal Government LET SOMEONE GO with the slap on the wrist - that someone SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BE investigated...
It is like charging someone with illegal distribution of ALCOHOL and finding in one Email that person was considering tasting the beer...hence - charge of conspiracy to poses alcohol for personal tasting...]
If you didn't notice by now: your irresponsible way of living (opening your mouth and telling the stories which YOU HAVE imagined in your head - LIKE ONE YOU'VE TOLD to Steve Seeley that I am going to Thailand with EXACT amount of Dennis's money [his Weider Endorsement money /which he have earned through sweat and blood/...he asked me to bring him to have enough to pay for the construction of his house]...to PURCHASE and IMPORT steroids!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ) - coast me and Dennis a lot of money, troubles, hardships...etc
Stories you were telling to numerous people in our industry and people in Orange County - that I am keeping the doors of my gym (in your description empty and unsuccessful gym - which is official gym for FLEX magazine photoshots for at least 5 years and possibly one of the most known gyms in the world) open by selling DRUGS (and not only steroids but other drugs as well...) - and that is exactly the reason FEDS got interested to investigate me - as they've thought they have something MUCH BIGGER!
ANY OTHER IFBB PRO BODYBUILDER investigated by the Federal government (YOU INCLUDED) would have THE SAME (IF NOT MUCH, MUCH....MUCH MORE) troubles as Dennis and I had...
Going through both of our houses and searching through everything and anything we own (including but not limited to: reading every Email we've ever received or have written) and finding NOTHING to charge us with even simple possesion (Miss Karen - pay attention for once!) or intention to distribute - should tell YOU how guilty WE were (are)...
Testimony of numerous athletes (you know them all - and you talked to them all....and you know damn well that NOBODY said ANYTHING damaging about either me or Dennis - AS THEY SIMPLY COULD NOT...unless they use YOUR kind of imagination and malicious planing to accomplish something you are known for - to put others in trouble as misfortune of others FUELS you /besides calculated interest you might have in doing so/)
As you said: "Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)".... it is sad that YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOU...
Your fellow competitor that have opened the doors of his house and his business to you (giving YOU and your family and even some friends - everything for free)...Someone who forgave you your unthinkable actions from the past (rumors you were spreading) and welcomed you back to the gym...and someone who YOU ABSOLUTELY AND CERTAINLY MUST KNOW IS NOT A DEALER and who is suffering due to WHAT YOU HAVE SAID is telling you here to step up to the plate and either: tell the truth ...or continue with your plan and add few more of your assumptions about me and manipulate them enough that some people might actually believe that if they smell the smoke - it must be a fire...
It is YOU what they are smelling...
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IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED... ???
With that statement it is safe to assume - YOU HAD NOTHING TO SAY! ;)...so WHY did you and WHY are you continuing to insinuate something?
HOW and WHY are you continuing to make the claims that I AM GUILTY of something IF you have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of any wrong doing from my side? Lying to FEDS would put you to jail...but posting here on the board is - harmless (to you)...
This is NOT the first time you've compared me with the OJ...and you do it AS ALWAYS - with a reason...being calculative as..ole that you are.
***[While I could never point finger at OJ and say with certainty that he killed anyone - let alone his wife - I am aware that majority of people would WANT to believe that he did - and you are playing with THE SAME general opinion of population about my case...People would WANT to believe that IFBB pro bodybuilder, trainer of other competitors and someone who was involved with BALCO labs - MUST BE guilty if steroids are concerened...
People wouldn't even want to give an honest try to actually THINK ABOUT IT - as it is hell of a much easier to simply assume - "well, we all know that steroids are in professional bodybuilding so IF IFBB pro is accused of something in connection with steroids let's assume he is guilty..."
Difference is - while I have NEVER denied that I have used steroids I will ALWAYS deny even a single case of steroid distribution/delaing...something that you are trying for so long to tell anyone who wants to listen!
Another important observation is: son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who repotedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time...is pointing the finger on someone (ME) who's entire family (me included) have NO CRIMINAL record and were considered examplory citisens due to our actions and way of living...
JUST BECAUSE someone (YOU - through Steve Seeley) pointed finger at me...and under the circumstances THERE WERE MANY THINGS that feds could consider suspicious - my investigation started...
But, AS INTELIGENT PEOPLE KNOW - when Federal Government LET SOMEONE GO with the slap on the wrist - that someone SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BE investigated...
It is like charging someone with illegal distribution of ALCOHOL and finding in one Email that person was considering tasting the beer...hence - charge of conspiracy to poses alcohol for personal tasting...]
If you didn't notice by now: your irresponsible way of living (opening your mouth and telling the stories which YOU HAVE imagined in your head - LIKE ONE YOU'VE TOLD to Steve Seeley that I am going to Thailand with EXACT amount of Dennis's money [his Weider Endorsement money /which he have earned through sweat and blood/...he asked me to bring him to have enough to pay for the construction of his house]...to PURCHASE and IMPORT steroids!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ) - coast me and Dennis a lot of money, troubles, hardships...etc
Stories you were telling to numerous people in our industry and people in Orange County - that I am keeping the doors of my gym (in your description empty and unsuccessful gym - which is official gym for FLEX magazine photoshots for at least 5 years and possibly one of the most known gyms in the world) open by selling DRUGS (and not only steroids but other drugs as well...) - and that is exactly the reason FEDS got interested to investigate me - as they've thought they have something MUCH BIGGER!
ANY OTHER IFBB PRO BODYBUILDER investigated by the Federal government (YOU INCLUDED) would have THE SAME (IF NOT MUCH, MUCH....MUCH MORE) troubles as Dennis and I had...
Going through both of our houses and searching through everything and anything we own (including but not limited to: reading every Email we've ever received or have written) and finding NOTHING to charge us with even simple possesion (Miss Karen - pay attention for once!) or intention to distribute - should tell YOU how guilty WE were (are)...
Testimony of numerous athletes (you know them all - and you talked to them all....and you know damn well that NOBODY said ANYTHING damaging about either me or Dennis - AS THEY SIMPLY COULD NOT...unless they use YOUR kind of imagination and malicious planing to accomplish something you are known for - to put others in trouble as misfortune of others FUELS you /besides calculated interest you might have in doing so/)
As you said: "Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)".... it is sad that YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOU...
Your fellow competitor that have opened the doors of his house and his business to you (giving YOU and your family and even some friends - everything for free)...Someone who forgave you your unthinkable actions from the past (rumors you were spreading) and welcomed you back to the gym...and someone who YOU ABSOLUTELY AND CERTAINLY MUST KNOW IS NOT A DEALER and who is suffering due to WHAT YOU HAVE SAID is telling you here to step up to the plate and either: tell the truth ...or continue with your plan and add few more of your assumptions about me and manipulate them enough that some people might actually believe that if they smell the smoke - it must be a fire...
It is YOU what they are smelling...
Milos 1 question bro, you just wrote all that? :o
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Milos 1 question bro, you just wrote all that? :o
Yes bro - I just wrote all that.
Should I go with Shawn's way of writing?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm?
Shawn's in da house...peace out....please ::)....etc...
I've learned long ago that MAKING A POINT makes conversation much more interesting...and telling the truth is the ONLY WAY to communicate...
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Yes bro - I just wrote all that.
Should I go with Shawn's way of writing?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm?
Shawn's in da house...peace out....please ::)....etc...
I've learned long ago that MAKING A POINT makes conversation much more interesting...and telling the truth is the ONLY WAY to communicate...
lol @ Shawn's in da house...peace out....please ::)
i hear ya, no problem here. I was just curious ;)
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Did you guys notice how shawn had to throw in "i have a car that goes 200 miles an hour" in the probodybuildingweekly interview with Lee?
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I cannot see any parallels between Milos and OJ.
Murder and steroid possession / distribution are in no way comparable. Anyone who cannot see this is an imbecile.
There was no evidence of Milos dealing steroids.
There was a mountain of DNA and other evidence implicating Simpson. Simpson was a celebrity with a lot of money. He hired a team of high priced, unethical shysters who squared off against an inept prosecution in front of a pool of infinitely moronic, starstruck, racially biased jurors.
Simpson was found liable in the civil trial. His acquittal in the criminal trial was an abomination. Anyone who cannot see this is an idiot. Hope this helps.
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IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED... ???
With that statement it is safe to assume - YOU HAD NOTHING TO SAY! ;)...so WHY did you and WHY are you continuing to insinuate something?
HOW and WHY are you continuing to make the claims that I AM GUILTY of something IF you have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of any wrong doing from my side? Lying to FEDS would put you to jail...but posting here on the board is - harmless (to you)...
This is NOT the first time you've compared me with the OJ...and you do it AS ALWAYS - with a reason...being calculative as..ole that you are.
***[While I could never point finger at OJ and say with certainty that he killed anyone - let alone his wife - I am aware that majority of people would WANT to believe that he did - and you are playing with THE SAME general opinion of population about my case...People would WANT to believe that IFBB pro bodybuilder, trainer of other competitors and someone who was involved with BALCO labs - MUST BE guilty if steroids are concerened...
People wouldn't even want to give an honest try to actually THINK ABOUT IT - as it is hell of a much easier to simply assume - "well, we all know that steroids are in professional bodybuilding so IF IFBB pro is accused of something in connection with steroids let's assume he is guilty..."
Difference is - while I have NEVER denied that I have used steroids I will ALWAYS deny even a single case of steroid distribution/delaing...something that you are trying for so long to tell anyone who wants to listen!
Another important observation is: son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who reportedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time...is pointing the finger on someone (ME) who's entire family (me included) have NO CRIMINAL record and were considered examplory citisens due to our actions and way of living...
JUST BECAUSE someone (YOU - through Steve Seeley) pointed finger at me...and under the circumstances THERE WERE MANY THINGS that feds could consider suspicious - my investigation started...
But, AS INTELIGENT PEOPLE KNOW - when Federal Government LET SOMEONE GO with the slap on the wrist - that someone SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BE investigated...
It is like charging someone with illegal distribution of ALCOHOL and finding in one Email that person was considering tasting the beer...hence - charge of conspiracy to poses alcohol for personal tasting...]
If you didn't notice by now: your irresponsible way of living (opening your mouth and telling the stories which YOU HAVE imagined in your head - LIKE ONE YOU'VE TOLD to Steve Seeley that I am going to Thailand with EXACT amount of Dennis's money [his Weider Endorsement money /which he have earned through sweat and blood/...he asked me to bring him to have enough to pay for the construction of his house]...to PURCHASE and IMPORT steroids!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ) - coast me and Dennis a lot of money, troubles, hardships...etc
Stories you were telling to numerous people in our industry and people in Orange County - that I am keeping the doors of my gym (in your description empty and unsuccessful gym - which is official gym for FLEX magazine photoshots for at least 5 years and possibly one of the most known gyms in the world) open by selling DRUGS (and not only steroids but other drugs as well...) - and that is exactly the reason FEDS got interested to investigate me - as they've thought they have something MUCH BIGGER!
ANY OTHER IFBB PRO BODYBUILDER investigated by the Federal government (YOU INCLUDED) would have THE SAME (IF NOT MUCH, MUCH....MUCH MORE) troubles as Dennis and I had...
Going through both of our houses and searching through everything and anything we own (including but not limited to: reading every Email we've ever received or have written) and finding NOTHING to charge us with even simple possesion (Miss Karen - pay attention for once!) or intention to distribute - should tell YOU how guilty WE were (are)...
Testimony of numerous athletes (you know them all - and you talked to them all....and you know damn well that NOBODY said ANYTHING damaging about either me or Dennis - AS THEY SIMPLY COULD NOT...unless they use YOUR kind of imagination and malicious planing to accomplish something you are known for - to put others in trouble as misfortune of others FUELS you /besides calculated interest you might have in doing so/)
As you said: "Either way, you really think I care what this guy does to pay his bills?
Please.......... ::)".... it is sad that YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOU...
Your fellow competitor that have opened the doors of his house and his business to you (giving YOU and your family and even some friends - everything for free)...Someone who forgave you your unthinkable actions from the past (rumors you were spreading) and welcomed you back to the gym...and someone who YOU ABSOLUTELY AND CERTAINLY MUST KNOW IS NOT A DEALER and who is suffering due to WHAT YOU HAVE SAID is telling you here to step up to the plate and either: tell the truth ...or continue with your plan and add few more of your assumptions about me and manipulate them enough that some people might actually believe that if they smell the smoke - it must be a fire...
It is YOU what they are smelling...
Fantastic post Milos!!!!!! but enough of this BS!!! Someone has to put up or shut up! Shawn if you know where Milos's gym is, why not just make a time where no one is around and just punch the Be-Jesus out of each other and the winner just shuts up (MILOS HANDS DOWN WILL WIN) or if not that workout to the death! the first one to pass out is the loser and than also the loser can never post on Get Big again!
Basically i have loss alot or respect now though for Shawn what he is saying!! Milos didn't get what you wanted him to get and now you have to keep coming back with BS remarks and BS gossip!
BS gossip like comparing Milos to OJ!
Shawn any fan base you did have is going out the window man! God knows you body cannot back you up now!
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Milos Sarcev.................. ...
NO CONTEST!
Well, there you have it Milos, your Innocent..........I guess? ???
Next time, tell us how you really feel.
Oh, I just left my moms house in Walnut, is she supposed to be in Jail?
Heard Dorian just left your house, your wife didn't tell you? :o
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Milos Sarcev.................. ...
NO CONTEST!
Well, there you have it Milos, your Innocent..........I guess? ???
Milos is on the golf course looking for the "real dealers".
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alright enough is enough! Milos and Dennis have been throug enough as it is. All I have to say is No matter what Shawn said and when the feds took it and ran with it. I went to the Grand Jury and They had my e mails back to1998. And in those e mails were stuff that I could not lie about, but they had nothing on Milos or Dennis. The thing that they thought they had from One of my e mails that they asked about was about some glucose that I took from Thailand to Milos WOW! They asked me What kind of steroid was it I told them SUGAR. The Whole grand Jury fell oput laughing. they asked if I thought Milos or Dennis were Dealers I said no. They asked Did I think they were smugglers I said nope. They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing. I think that no matter what nobody is perfect and every IFBB pro has used the sauce at some point or another. That being said Milos has helped me with diets and supps as well as Shawn at some point in my career. Milos is an honest person that people have taken advantage of including his ex partner Mike, and I have witnessed alot living and training in Milos gym for 8 years. Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
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alright enough is enough! Milos and Dennis have been throug enough as it is. All I have to say is No matter what Shawn said and when the feds took it and ran with it. I went to the Grand Jury and They had my e mails back to1998. And in those e mails were stuff that I could not lie about, but they had nothing on Milos or Dennis. The thing that they thought they had from One of my e mails that they asked about was about some glucose that I took from Thailand to Milos WOW! They asked me What kind of steroid was it I told them SUGAR. The Whole grand Jury fell oput laughing. they asked if I thought Milos or Dennis were Dealers I said no. They asked Did I think they were smugglers I said nope. They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing. I think that no matter what nobody is perfect and every IFBB pro has used the sauce at some point or another. That being said Milos has helped me with diets and supps as well as Shawn at some point in my career. Milos is an honest person that people have taken advantage of including his ex partner Mike, and I have witnessed alot living and training in Milos gym for 8 years. Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
What's good bro, i'm a fan of your posings. ;) Who's your all time fav. poser from back in the days that influenced ya?
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alright enough is enough! Milos and Dennis have been throug enough as it is. All I have to say is No matter what Shawn said and when the feds took it and ran with it. I went to the Grand Jury and They had my e mails back to1998. And in those e mails were stuff that I could not lie about, but they had nothing on Milos or Dennis. The thing that they thought they had from One of my e mails that they asked about was about some glucose that I took from Thailand to Milos WOW! They asked me What kind of steroid was it I told them SUGAR. The Whole grand Jury fell oput laughing. they asked if I thought Milos or Dennis were Dealers I said no. They asked Did I think they were smugglers I said nope. They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing. I think that no matter what nobody is perfect and every IFBB pro has used the sauce at some point or another. That being said Milos has helped me with diets and supps as well as Shawn at some point in my career. Milos is an honest person that people have taken advantage of including his ex partner Mike, and I have witnessed alot living and training in Milos gym for 8 years. Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
You truly are marvelous! :'( Now please go work on your calves.
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Titus probably bought that placing with free tickets for all of the judges to one of his sex parties ;D
They already deleted that comment! ;D Melvin I didn't mean to make you cry you are one of my faves!
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Whatever dude you werent there when titus and got in to it so shut it. I am still living a happy life with my Family and it is a terrible thing that titus is going through so be cool. My favorite is Vince and John Brown.
Marvelous
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Okay, now we have officailly heard ARGUMENTS for all sides from A-Z, SLANDER, NAME CALLING, etc, etc.
Now can we PLEASE end this pissing contest. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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alright enough is enough! Milos and Dennis have been throug enough as it is. All I have to say is No matter what Shawn said and when the feds took it and ran with it. I went to the Grand Jury and They had my e mails back to1998. And in those e mails were stuff that I could not lie about, but they had nothing on Milos or Dennis. The thing that they thought they had from One of my e mails that they asked about was about some glucose that I took from Thailand to Milos WOW! They asked me What kind of steroid was it I told them SUGAR. The Whole grand Jury fell oput laughing. they asked if I thought Milos or Dennis were Dealers I said no. They asked Did I think they were smugglers I said nope. They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing. I think that no matter what nobody is perfect and every IFBB pro has used the sauce at some point or another. That being said Milos has helped me with diets and supps as well as Shawn at some point in my career. Milos is an honest person that people have taken advantage of including his ex partner Mike, and I have witnessed alot living and training in Milos gym for 8 years. Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
Very well said Melvin!!!
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Melvin teaching shawn what "class act" mean !
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alright enough is enough! Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
Well said. This thread needs an injection of decorum and common sense. Keep training M and keep that waistline.
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Whatever dude you werent there when titus and got in to it so shut it. I am still living a happy life with my Family and it is a terrible thing that titus is going through so be cool. My favorite is Vince and John Brown.
Marvelous
You should raise your standarts. ;D I am happy for you as a fellow christian and brother in Iron.
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Milos Sarcev.................. ...
NO CONTEST!
Well, there you have it Milos, your Innocent..........I guess? ???
Next time, tell us how you really feel.
Oh, I just left my moms house in Walnut, is she supposed to be in Jail?
Heard Dorian just left your house, your wife didn't tell you? :o
What does Dorian have to do with this Shawn?? but since you have mentioned Milos's wife, sounds like you have gone way too far with this post!
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Whatever dude you werent there when titus and got in to it so shut it. I am still living a happy life with my Family and it is a terrible thing that titus is going through so be cool. My favorite is Vince and John Brown.
Marvelous
Yeah Vince and John Brown are awesome posers. Anyway keep up the hard work bro
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My favorite is Vince and John Brown.
You mean it wasn't Alexxx :o You're going to break his heart Mel ;D
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I am working my butt of to bring a new pacage to the O stage no matter what. Thanks,
Marvelous
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You mean it wasn't Alexxx :o You're going to break his heart Mel ;D
Its ok.. I am going to be owning him onstage soon enough anyways.. then he can apologize.
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Bring it Youngster :o
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I am working my butt of to bring a new pacage to the O stage no matter what. Thanks,
Marvelous
Yeah me as a true fan of King Kamali i'm looking forward to your posings, what do you think about Gustavo Badell's poses Mel? Any thoughts on that bro
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Bring it Youngster :o
Hey Melvin, here is a pic of alexxx !
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Gustavo is bringing and trying new things if he works at it he will be OK.
Marvelous ::)
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Bring it Youngster :o
Awesome! After I beat you your going to have to become my weightloader for a month.
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Hey Melvin, here is a pic of alexxx !
That's from when he was schoolin' The Blue Man Group on their presentation!
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Awesome! After I beat you your going to have to become my weightloader for a month.
You're working out for a MONTH at a time now!! Dude, I thought you were only training two weeks out of the year. You're gonna get CRAZY HUGE now!
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You got it but what happens when I break you off? You gotta Load my weights for a year.
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You got it but what happens when I break you off? You gotta Load my weights for a year.
Ain't gonna happen! 8)
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:o :o :o
Melvin are you sure you can take this ?!?!?!?!
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no problem
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Gentlemen...........POSE DOWN!!!!!
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you win on the muscles but alexxx win on the hair ! :-X
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alexxx honnestly, shave your tiny body !
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Melvin did you know i carry more muscle than you, and have never used any steroids or insulin or gh or thyroid or clen. Just chips ahoy and 2% milk. ;D
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Melvin did you know i carry more muscle than you, and have never used any steroids or insulin or gh or thyroid or clen. Just chips ahoy and 2% milk. ;D
the only thing you ahve on Melvin is 30 % more bodyfat ! :o
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Milos Sarcev.................. ...
NO CONTEST!
Well, there you have it Milos, your Innocent..........I guess? ???
Next time, tell us how you really feel.
Oh, I just left my moms house in Walnut, is she supposed to be in Jail?
Heard Dorian just left your house, your wife didn't tell you? :o
I have been staying out of this thread as this is between Milos and Shawn!!! everyone knows Milos is one od my closest friends and i very happy he was found NOT GUILTY!!!!! NOT GUILTY of the what alot of very small hearted people accused him of! Milos has been a true friend and in the few years i have known him i have seen him get used by some people who he considered more than friends, but family! he has explained his life a thousand times! whether it was the synthol thing or this case!!! he has proven that he will not back down from the facts or hard core truth!! as far as i and many others are concerned he has come out of this with flying colours and is MORE man for explaining the situation into great detail. which is something he didn't have to do, but he wanted to give you guys the facts and truth!
Shawn, i have nothing against you and you have always said hello and how are you whenever we see each other! so personally i can't say you have been disrespectful to me. But.... this seems to be something you cannot except that Milos has won the fight, but you want to win the war! he has won the war as well, so drop it please! at least for your fans sake, because it seems less and less of them are standing behind you with this! You said Milos was guilty, a court of law found him not, so let it go! why keep saying he is bro?
This post also you made was extremely surprising and low for you say! This has nothing to do with Milos's wife or family!! i have no idea what you mean by this, but you doesn't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what you are trying to say!
Shawn you were a great competitor, a great spokemans for bodybuilding while you were competing and now with your own Ifbb pro show and donations for good courses like the golf day, i think this is all very good and great for our sport with exposure etc. But Milos is a true friend and i never get involved with peoples arguments, especially when i am not involved!! Milos can more than take care of himself, and YES i know my name has never been mentioned here, but i have to say your posts to me a fan of yours growing up are very disappointing and uncalled for!
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Melvin did you know i carry more muscle than you, and have never used any steroids or insulin or gh or thyroid or clen. Just chips ahoy and 2% milk. ;D
That's AMAZING! You should try adding some Mint Chocholate Chip Ice Cream. You'd probaly be able to beat Coleman :)
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Awesome! After I beat you your going to have to become my weightloader for a month.
Christ Almighty Alexxx you are suck a DICK!!!! so much you make me laugh!!! you will NEVER EVER even be on same ball park as Melvin!!! i honestly think you really believe alot of this BS you post!
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Damn it shawn ray. You will have the wrath of the Warhorse if you dont tone it down!!! >:(
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That's AMAZING! You should try adding some Mint Chocholate Chip Ice Cream. You'd probaly be able to beat Coleman :)
Damn it you Pro's know all the tricks. >:( ;D
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Christ Almighty Alexxx you are suck a DICK!!!! so much you make me laugh!!! you will NEVER EVER even be on same ball park as Melvin!!! i honestly think you really believe alot of this BS you post!
Take it easy. You're talking to a living legend and future Mr. GetBig
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I have been staying out of this thread as this is between Milos and Shawn!!! everyone knows Milos is one od my closest friends and i very happy he was found NOT GUILTY!!!!! NOT GUILTY of the what alot of very small hearted people accused him of! Milos has been a true friend and in the few years i have known him i have seen him get used by some people who he considered more than friends, but family! he has explained his life a thousand times! whether it was the synthol thing or this case!!! he has proven that he will not back down from the facts or hard core truth!! as far as i and many others are concerned he has come out of this with flying colours and is MORE man for explaining the situation into great detail. which is something he didn't have to do, but he wanted to give you guys the facts and truth!
Shawn, i have nothing against you and you have always said hello and how are you whenever we see each other! so personally i can't say you have been disrespectful to me. But.... this seems to be something you cannot except that Milos has won the fight, but you want to win the war! he has won the war as well, so drop it please! at least for your fans sake, because it seems less and less of them are standing behind you with this! You said Milos was guilty, a court of law found him not, so let it go! why keep saying he is bro?
This post also you made was extremely surprising and low for you say! This has nothing to do with Milos's wife or family!! i have no idea what you mean by this, but you doesn't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what you are trying to say!
Shawn you were a great competitor, a great spokemans for bodybuilding while you were competing and now with your own Ifbb pro show and donations for good courses like the golf day, i think this is all very good and great for our sport with exposure etc. But Milos is a true friend and i never get involved with peoples arguments, especially when i am not involved!! Milos can more than take care of himself, and YES i know my name has never been mentioned here, but i have to say your posts to me a fan of yours growing up are very disappointing and uncalled for!
Luke wtf bro, i asked you a question about how it was banging japanese broads and you ignored it? Does it always have to be bb question related ::)
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Luke wtf bro, i asked you a question about how it was banging japanese broads and you ignored it? Does it always have to be bb question related ::)
Maybe rephrase your question. "How are the 'bodybuilding' girls in Japan?"
Then maybe he'll respond.
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Maybe rephrase your question. "How are the 'bodybuilding' girls in Japan?"
Then maybe he'll respond.
nah c'mon on BROS OVER HOE'S, i think he missed the question.
Freak dont tell me you're a sucker for love bro? ???
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nah c'mon on BROS OVER HOE'S, i think he missed the question.
Freak dont tell me you're a sucker for love bro? ???
Gotta admit, I'm a sucker for love.
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Gotta admit, I'm a sucker for love.
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I'd bet you give up a testicle to get laid bro! ;D
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Ah, Luke did you miss this part of your boy's long winded raging post & tirade against my family?
son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who reportedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time
The momma jokes are old, actually, she is at home resting and rebuilding her pool, enjoying her grand daughter at 67yrs old. Far from what Milos is on about.
He can attack me but please Momma Jokes? ::)
Do yourself a favor Luke, calm your boy down and tell him to ZIP it cause all he is doing is EXPOSING himself with his Slander and useless Defense. His selective memory has failed him but mine hasn't. I personally dont care if he is a Dealer or not, I'm busy with other things.
If he says he is not, I guess he is not.
Please tell him to continue posting his innocence so I can come to believe him one day.
He knows what and who he is, we'll leave at that.
Peace,
S
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Ah, Luke did you miss this part of your boy's long winded raging post & tirade against my family?
son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who reportedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time
The momma jokes are old, actually, she is at home resting and rebuilding her pool, enjoying her grand daughter at 67yrs old. Far from what Milos is on about.
He can attack me but please Momma Jokes? ::)
Do yourself a favor Luke, calm your boy down and tell him to ZIP it cause all he is doing is EXPOSING himself with his Slander and useless Defense. His selective memory has failed him but mine hasn't. I personally dont care if he is a Dealer or not, I'm busy with other things.
If he says he is not, I guess he is not.
Please tell him to continue posting his innocence so I can come to believe him one day.
He knows what and who he is, we'll leave at that.
Peace,
S
ah i gotta tell ya Shawn, this has yet to be one of the serious posts you put @ getbig rather than all this ;D ;D ;D :o :o :-* :-* ;) ;)
Well anyway, it'll be interesting to read the reply for it
peace
p.s. Why cant you and Kamali end the little "internet feud?" all for once bro?
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p.s. Why cant you and Kamali end the little "internet feud?" all for once bro?
I guess i touched a sensitive subject there Shawn, wanna hide. It's just a question ::)
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Milos Sarcev.................. ...
NO CONTEST!
Well, there you have it Milos, your Innocent..........I guess? ???
Next time, tell us how you really feel.
Oh, I just left my moms house in Walnut, is she supposed to be in Jail?
Heard Dorian just left your house, your wife didn't tell you? :o
You just have to add that "I guess?" - to continue with your insinuations...
I didn't expect anything better than that from someone like you.
Now - I do not know what you mean by: "Next time, tell us how you really feel." - so I don't know how to respond or answer it...
As far as you leaving your moma's house - I am happy to hear that she is out...
I really didn't know that. What I know is that she was in jail for many years due to serious drug dealing...
I don't need to mention but there is someone else in your family that ALSO has problem with the law and the drugs (out of respect I would not mention HIS name...).
Point that I was making: YOUR FAMILY is known to be SERIOUSLY in trouble with the law - due to DRUG DEALING...and it is old wisdom that explains few things about upbringing of the kids while doing the crime...I don't need to elaborate on that - except to point out the obvious: YOU WERE exposed to this kind of lifestyle since you were young...
I on another hand was raised in academic family with exemplary parents who thought me true values in life, right ethics and morals...to work hard and long and live the honest life. There is NO ONE in my family that have ANY criminal record (and US government can confirm that - as they requested my entire family's criminal record from Yugoslavian government)...which is obviously NOT the case with you.
And now - IS IT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME AND OTHERS about Dorian leaving my house?
With ALL MY selective memory I don't remember him EVER being in my house - but than again just like you had something to say to feds - maybe you have something to say about Dorian, my house...and I guess - my wife (BTW - yesterday was our 10 year anniversary)
So Shawn - go ahead EXPLAIN what you really meant...as many people will wonder about it...
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Ah, Luke did you miss this part of your boy's long winded raging post & tirade against my family?
son of convicted fellon (drug dealer cut in act and serving the time) who reportedly inherted a fortune from his parent that is now serving the time
The momma jokes are old, actually, she is at home resting and rebuilding her pool, enjoying her grand daughter at 67yrs old. Far from what Milos is on about.
He can attack me but please Momma Jokes? ::)
Do yourself a favor Luke, calm your boy down and tell him to ZIP it cause all he is doing is EXPOSING himself with his Slander and useless Defense. His selective memory has failed him but mine hasn't. I personally dont care if he is a Dealer or not, I'm busy with other things.
If he says he is not, I guess he is not.
Please tell him to continue posting his innocence so I can come to believe him one day.
He knows what and who he is, we'll leave at that.
Peace,
S
First of all - I never used any "Momma Jokes"...and I do not want to talk about your mother and what she did few years back...
I am not someone who would try to find some dirt on somebody and than use it against him - but in "OUR CASE" this is SO IMPORTANT FACT to mention that I have decided to use it. Besides IT IS NOT A SECRET as so many people (even here) talk about it.
You were giving me advice (here on this board): "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" and LYING about me to countless number of people (including Federal officers) by openly calling me a DRUG DEALER...
You were continuing with your attacks for A LONG TIME while you knew that MY WHOLE CASE was YOUR SETUP...
Your plans to take my (empty) gym from me failed few times already - but that wouldn't stop you to continue to try in the most malicious way.
Creating SOMETHING out of NOTHING is your speciality...and sometimes you use that principle even when you are in "dangerous waters".
Well, you did succeed in your original plan - TO GET ME IN THE TROUBLE WITH THE LAW...but your luck (and happiness) was short lived
Contrary to your (and some of the people's here on board) belief that SOMETHING might "stick with me" after Federal investigation...NOTHING could be found - AS I LIVE MY LIFE CLEAN.
CRYSTAL CLEAN to be exact...or FLAWLESS DIAMOND CLEAN to be even more precise.
Obviously - I have no problem saying that - as I stay behind all of my statements and actions.
Also I will not ZIP and I'll continue to expose everything that needs to be exposed.
So far Shawn (if you didn't notice) I am succeeding in my plan: LET SHAWN SPEAK AND HE'LL PRESENT HIS TRUE SELF...and that is (as I said already) - PRICELESS.
I am giving you enough rope Shawn and you are using it wisely ;) - please continue...
Last time you were saying something about my wife, my house and Dorian leaving...?
Care to explain?
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alright enough is enough! Milos and Dennis have been throug enough as it is. All I have to say is No matter what Shawn said and when the feds took it and ran with it. I went to the Grand Jury and They had my e mails back to1998. And in those e mails were stuff that I could not lie about, but they had nothing on Milos or Dennis. The thing that they thought they had from One of my e mails that they asked about was about some glucose that I took from Thailand to Milos WOW! They asked me What kind of steroid was it I told them SUGAR. The Whole grand Jury fell oput laughing. they asked if I thought Milos or Dennis were Dealers I said no. They asked Did I think they were smugglers I said nope. They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing. I think that no matter what nobody is perfect and every IFBB pro has used the sauce at some point or another. That being said Milos has helped me with diets and supps as well as Shawn at some point in my career. Milos is an honest person that people have taken advantage of including his ex partner Mike, and I have witnessed alot living and training in Milos gym for 8 years. Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
Melvin - thanks for posting.
As you said: "They asked me about some d bols that were sent to the gym that they were told was mine, I laughed cause I was there when that happened so Milos, Shawn and Myself know what really happened so quit playing." - WHY DO YOU THINK FEDS THOUGHT IT WAS YOURS?
Because the same guy that told them many other things (about me and Dennis) also said that HIS PACKAGE was supposedly YOURS...
Thank God - you were NOT investigated (as they could easily chose to do just that - as "little bird" /or was it a rat?/ voluntarily told them HIS VERSION OF THE STORY...)
Irresponsible (or calculative?) person can simply open his mouth and get MANY OF US (IFBB PROS) in trouble...
Can you explain me why?
Do you go to bible study with Shawn and is he really holding the bible (or "reading" the "playboy"...or was it a "playgirl"?)
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Thanks for clearing that up for us Milos, I almost thought you were a Drug dealer but with your explainations, you beginning to change my mind! ::)
Whooooooooaaaaaaaa.
Oh the part about your Girl?
Well, you really dont want me to go there, tell her your old roomate and photo helper for C. Lund said hello! He's still on the run in Seattle :-*
As for momma jokes, well when you throw stones in Glass Houses, dont freak out when a piece of Glass cuts you where it hurts. :'(
And you can continue to drag everybody you want into your 17 Page Federal Innocents Post and you will still be what you are, so I accept who you are.
Explain some more, as I still dont have all the details of your No Contest Plea Bargain Deal.
Out,
S
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Damn it shawn ray. You will have the wrath of the Warhorse if you dont tone it down!!! >:(
i'm sure he's terrified. ::)
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You just have to add that "I guess?" - to continue with your insinuations...
I didn't expect anything better than that from someone like you.
Now - I do not know what you mean by: "Next time, tell us how you really feel." - so I don't know how to respond or answer it...
As far as you leaving your moma's house - I am happy to hear that she is out...
I really didn't know that. What I know is that she was in jail for many years due to serious drug dealing...
I don't need to mention but there is someone else in your family that ALSO has problem with the law and the drugs (out of respect I would not mention HIS name...).
Point that I was making: YOUR FAMILY is known to be SERIOUSLY in trouble with the law - due to DRUG DEALING...and it is old wisdom that explains few things about upbringing of the kids while doing the crime...I don't need to elaborate on that - except to point out the obvious: YOU WERE exposed to this kind of lifestyle since you were young...
I on another hand was raised in academic family with exemplary parents who thought me true values in life, right ethics and morals...to work hard and long and live the honest life. There is NO ONE in my family that have ANY criminal record (and US government can confirm that - as they requested my entire family's criminal record from Yugoslavian government)...which is obviously NOT the case with you.
And now - IS IT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME AND OTHERS about Dorian leaving my house?
With ALL MY selective memory I don't remember him EVER being in my house - but than again just like you had something to say to feds - maybe you have something to say about Dorian, my house...and I guess - my wife (BTW - yesterday was our 10 year anniversary)
So Shawn - go ahead EXPLAIN what you really meant...as many people will wonder about it...
hahahahaha, you accusing other people of "drug dealing", monster hypocrisy.
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Reading this thread is dis heartening but I tell you Shawn To Keep My Name Out of Your arguements Thank You. We represent a Company and this kind of stuff don't look good. ;)
Marvelous Melvin
hahaha monster Cubicle War Ensuing!!
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Oh the part about your Girl?
Well, you really dont want me to go there, tell her your old roomate and photo helper for C. Lund said hello! He's still on the run in Seattle :-*
Out,
S
Are you saying that Milos had an old roommate that got a little too close to Milos's wife?
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hey milo, that was a cool fit show you did(the power movements), what do you call that power move you did where it was sort of like a snatch but u start holding the barbell up rather then on the floor. I incorporated it in my program and really like it, I have never seen it before thanks. :)
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Luke wtf bro, i asked you a question about how it was banging japanese broads and you ignored it? Does it always have to be bb question related ::)
Yes and i gave you my answer already. "I have no interest as i am very happy with my girlfriend Ifbb Pro Kim Perez"
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Yes and i gave you my answer already. "I have no interest as i am very happy with my girlfriend Ifbb Pro Kim Perez"
I know you dont like me Luke, but out of curiosity I looked up your Girl in Google Images... is this her??
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that's a man baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sarcasm ..look up Kim Perez ...thats who comes up ... really!!
Luke Meltdown ...
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Sarcasm ..look up Kim Perez ...thats who comes up ... really!!
that's her, Luke has posted about "her" before, supposedly presses 225 behind the neck for reps and benches 315 for reps, hahahahahaha.
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that's her, Luke has posted about "her" before, supposedly presses 225 behind the neck for reps and benches 315 for reps, hahahahahaha.
on a non homo level, luke isnt ugly like say a dave palumbo or kamali...I guess he likes his girls with muscles.. ??? ::) ::) ::) I d be banging some Fit chicks .. or porno hoes..
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I know you dont like me Luke, but out of curiosity I looked up your Girl in Google Images... is this her??
Yes jaejonna, thats Kim! My girl! and i MORE than proud to say this!
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that's her, Luke has posted about "her" before, supposedly presses 225 behind the neck for reps and benches 315 for reps, hahahahahaha.
LOL!! ok , so the amigo's are back to over take this thread! Sarcasm, i guess you have another beef with me again? Ok, thats fine! Her lifts are nothing short of the truth. She holds an American bench press record from 3 or 4 years ago with a Bench press of 370lbs at abodyweight of 165lbs. Now i have better things to do than post lifts that Kim does where she is able to keep up with alot of things i do. But i hey! i speak the truth! and the truth is Sarcasm you are a waste of an Orgasm!
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But i hey! i speak the truth! and the truth is Sarcasm you are a waste of an orgsm!
hahahaha SARCASM You have been owned
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/dobydog/jesus_owned.jpg)
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hahahaha
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/dobydog/jesus_owned.jpg)
NOOOOOOOO!! REALLY!!! ::) ;D
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Ok now that we have settled the fact that i have been owed and Kim Perez is my girl, lets get back to more importantly what this thread is all about!
I do opologise for moving away from the thread! ;)
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Luke's going steady with a man in drag and i'm the one who's "owned", huh? hahahaha, ok. ::)
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Luke's going steady with a man in drag and i'm the one who's "owned", huh? hahahaha, ok. ::)
come one....you dont think that was good line??? "and the truth is Sarcasm you are a waste of an orgsm!"
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Ok now that we have settled the fact that i have been owed and Kim Perez is my girl, lets get back to more importantly what this thread is all about!
I do opologise for moving away from the thread! ;)
I think he was saying Sarcasm has been owned.
Lisa
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P.S. I think you really let Milos down going onstage soft as cookie dough.
I forgot, Grundle, what do you look like? :-*
Lisa
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Luke's going steady with a man in drag and i'm the one who's "owned", huh? hahahaha, ok. ::)
You will always be "owned" by a pro bodybuilder on a bodybuilding board. It's sad that your "craving attention" makes you look not "sarcastic" but "idiotic, stupid, childish, disrespectful, tasteless"
Well basically like Alexxx
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Luke's going steady with a man in drag and i'm the one who's "owned", huh? hahahaha, ok. ::)
HAHahahahha Sarcasm dont hert em!!
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no problem
I think I got you easy! :)
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Thanks for clearing that up for us Milos, I almost thought you were a Drug dealer but with your explainations, you beginning to change my mind! ::)
Whooooooooaaaaaaaa.
Oh the part about your Girl?
Well, you really dont want me to go there, tell her your old roomate and photo helper for C. Lund said hello! He's still on the run in Seattle :-*
As for momma jokes, well when you throw stones in Glass Houses, dont freak out when a piece of Glass cuts you where it hurts. :'(
And you can continue to drag everybody you want into your 17 Page Federal Innocents Post and you will still be what you are, so I accept who you are.
Explain some more, as I still dont have all the details of your No Contest Plea Bargain Deal.
Out,
S
;D ;D ;D Shawn - you are so easy...
I did not want to tell you that - but we do have a case of MIND against the MOUTH here (or was it a MOUSE...a big mouse to be exact...I think you can call it a...RAT ;D) and IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE I am accomplishing EXACTLY what I want.
#1) Telling the TRUTH, only the truth and nothing but the truth (as people deserve to know the truth about my case, you...and everything else.)
I only used Melvin's example as HE POSTED here and told the World that DEA came to him with question: "We've heard that you received the package from Thailand in Milos's gym"....The ONLY PERSON in the whole world that could have told them that was YOU...(Like the ONLY person that could have told Steve Seeley EXACT amount of money I was taking to Dennis was you...)
And I am giving that example for everyone to see just WHAT KIND OF PERSON you really are.
Due to your lie about Melvin supposedly receiving the package containing d-boll (how did you know that was the d-boll in the unopened package by the way?) federal agents could have started investigating Melvin as well...
Package was yours - but you pointed finger on somebody else (sounds familiar?)
And on top of that you just had to volunteer that information to your best friends (DEA agents) that wish all of us (pro bodybuilders) well ::)?
I am exposing this so OTHER bodybuilders could THINK about what you (Shawn) would do if "they" question you about them (and even if they don't - you would say it anyway...as this is your nature).
Knowing you - you will deny it...but as Melvin already mentioned it - I can go into little bit greater details.
To refresh your memory (as your wife ALWAYS had serious concerns about you not remembering even the things you did just one day before...) - the exact reason I kicked you out of my gym the first time was as you admitted to me that you did receive that ONE package from Thailand.
That one package you were holding in your hand when I walked into the gym and saw you offering it to my ex business partner.
You asked him:"You want this? /pointing at the large envelope/" and after he asked you: "What is it?" you responded: "DBOLL from Thailand!"
I was shocked (to say the least) as I wasn't coming to the gym much that year - due to my frequent competitions...and that was the last thing I was expecting to see coming to MY PLACE OF BUSINESS. That moment I will never forget.
Melvin can confirm everything (if need to be) as your memory might fail you (or is it something else that is failing - rather than your memory? How about ability to speak the truth and take the responsability for your actions?)
As I was kicking you out (not allowing you to come to my gym anymore) I told you that this "ONE package" was ONE too many (as I didn't have the knowledge about your OTHER packages - constantly delivered to my gym at the time. BTW - I've always wondered why were you directing people to send your packages to my gym when you live just minutes away ::)).
Months after that accident I was warned by many people (including Ed Connors and Chris Lund - to name the few...) that you are spreading nasty rumors about me (I already talked about what KIND of rumors - so I would not repeat it again).
I called you to confront you and you simply said: 'Well, you lie about me so I lie about you!"
I asked you: "What exactly am I lying about you Shawn?"
You said: "You are telling people that you kicked me out of your gym because I was supposedly receiving steroids delivered to your gym!"
I responded: "That is EXACTLY what I am saying...as this is EXACTLY what have happened and besides everything else - you admitted to me that you did receive that ONE package."
Than you changed the story and told me: "I never received any steroids in your gym. That package was not mine - but Melvin's"
I asked: "Than why in the million years would you admit to me that it was yours?"
You said: "I was too tired to discuss at the time - so I just said it was mine." ::) ::) ::) ::) You tired to talk...that would be the day ;)
Anyway...I told you that I was saying things which I believed to be the truth - as you were the one who told me that you admit receiving the package...but what you were doing (telling people that I sell recreational drugs and steroids and that's how I am keeping my gym open) was UNBELIEVEBLE and potentially very damaging (to me and my business) lie (at the time I would not even think that you could have alternative motives WHY would you want to get me in trouble...and make me lose my gym).
You agreed to stop spreading the lies if I stop telling people that you received the steroids in my gym...and that is what happened.
But, the point is - YOU decided to bring Melvin into the mix - just to "clear your name"...and as Melvin said - all of us (you, me and Melvin) know exactly WHAT'S UP!
Now, how would DEA agents ever think that Melvin has anything to do with that package? (as he didn't...and the only reason he is questioned is as you picked HIM to be "the guilty one"...)
#2) Allowing you to show your true self.
As bible said: the truth will set you free...we will see what will come out of this 17 page "tirade" (as you call it)...
Over 5000 people read it and many already responded (numerous called me about it...) and I have every intention to "bore people to death" with this boring self pity and attempts to look innocent when I am (as you said) guilty...
Guilty of what? I don't think we have established even this so far.
And for the end - you said:
"Oh the part about your Girl?
Well, you really dont want me to go there, tell her your old roomate and photo helper for C. Lund said hello! He's still on the run in Seattle"
What do you mean by that Shawn?
Can you elaborate?
So far you were telling me that "I don't want to go" somewhere and when I go ALL THE WAY there and we all realize that I had no reason to be afraid not to go (as you so potently suggested) you come up with something else...
As I said before: be my guest Shawn...Show us all what you are all about ;D ;D
Also on your: "As for momma jokes, well when you throw stones in Glass Houses, dont freak out when a piece of Glass cuts you where it hurts."
I just want to tell you I don't have a single cut ;D ;D ;D How about you? Can you even stop that much bleeding? ;)
I will continue to throw stones - as I have something to throw Shawn...Hot air on another hand can't do much - as we have ALL already established.
For your comment: "And you can continue to drag everybody you want into your 17 Page Federal Innocents Post and you will still be what you are, so I accept who you are."
I am not dragging nobody...I take people YOU mention as examples. Melvin is just the first one who decided to speak - so I am using his case as just another example where I can show to everyone that I have nothing to hide.
And as far as accepting who I am - believe me I accepted it LONG, LONG AGO...As I like who I am and have every reason to be very proud of that I can't help but ask you: do you like yourself and if you do - can you tell us WHAT exactly do you like? ;D ;D ;D
As hard as I try to find something - I fail every time...
Finally (as you can see I answer EVERY SINGLE CONCERN AND QUESTION you have for me in your posts. I wish you return me that favor...but we both know you are just NOT AT MY LEVEL...so I don't expect it. Still - I will continue to do what I think is the best from my side...)
"Explain some more, as I still dont have all the details of your No Contest Plea Bargain Deal.
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I think I explained in detail...but here it is again.
My plea agreement was to accept government's discovery that even though they initially thought I could be a steroid dealer and than MAJOR DRUG DEALER (as little bird...I mean rat told them so) - they have realized that I am not.
They also realized that I don't even have anything that they can charge me with a possesion (except excess amount of protein ;D and certainly numerous books ;). Now - as READING ABOUT IT is not the crime - they could not charge me with reading about steroids either.).
So what they have found was a single Email where I discuss some "supplements" I was thinking of using for my 2003 NOC competition.
As I have mentioned exact names of those supplements - and those are NOT available over the counter here in US - I did realize that going in front of the jury I would have a difficulty convincing them that I did not even think about using those supplements....
Government didn't need to prove that I got them or used them...they only had to prove CONSPIRACY CASE - which is that I thought about using them - therefore possesing them - hence my charge CONSPIRACY TO POSES FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY!
For personal use only is added as THE AMOUNT mention in my email was obviously for my personal use...If quantities mentioned in the Email were considerably higher - I would be charged with "conspiracy with intention to distribute"...
As I have spent close to 100 grand defending myself - THANK YOU SHAWN (in the name of my daughter's college fund I worked so hard for...) I had decision to make:
A) Going through the trial and spending another 50, 100 or even 200 grand more (as explained to me by my lawyers) to prove my innocence even in conspiracy to poses charges -
B) Accepting the plea agreement (missdemeanor charges and NO FELLONY) which would mean 10 grand penalty and unsupervised probation for one year...
You know what I chose... ;)
Did I explain to you all the details or you require some more?
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Why don't you just write a book about it. Damnnn I never knew a guy could type that much!
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Luke,
Do you think its healthy, let alone natural for a "woman" to be benching 370 pounds?
P.S. I think you really let Milos down going onstage soft as cookie dough.
Do you think it is healthy being able to bench 37 pounds instead?
In extreme sports people (athletes) do extreme things...
Her bench record is outstanding achievement she is certainly very proud off...
Her physique and overall appearance is also nothing short of ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS - and I am happy for Luke (and Kim)...
As far as Luke letting me down - NEVER.
He was a "cookie dough" from the stone age - hard as a stone... ;)
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Grundle don't you think that's extra harsh? where's the love?
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I think he was saying Sarcasm has been owned.
Lisa
this coming from a skank on a message board trolling for cock because her "man" is too impotent to give her any, hahahaha, what a joke.
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LOL!! ok , so the amigo's are back to over take this thread!
We never left Luke. You were the one who melted and told everyone that you will never post here again!!!! Yet you come back, they all come back....
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Luke,
Do you think its healthy, let alone natural for a "woman" to be benching 370 pounds?
No i don't think its unhealthy at all! if you do it, why not! what makes its any different thasn a guy being able to benach 600lbs?? is that any different in terms of health?
P.S. I think you really let Milos down going onstage soft as cookie dough.
PS! Soft as cookie Dough!!!! LOL!!! MMMMMMMMMM sounds very nice!! i love cookies!!! as far as letting Milos down, well i think my friendship with Milos stretches alot further than how i look on stage!! He is not that superficial! ::)! but of course you would know better! ::)
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Do you think it is healthy being able to bench 37 pounds instead?
In extreme sports people (athletes) do extreme things...
Her bench record is outstanding achievement she is certainly very proud off...
Her physique and overall appearance is also nothing short of ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS - and I am happy for Luke (and Kim)...
As far as Luke letting me down - NEVER.
He was a "cookie dough" from the stone age - hard as a stone... ;)
LOL!! Thanks Milos!!! ;)
Exactly my point about it being unhealthy for a woman to bench press 37lbs or 370lbs! ::) or a guy to bench 60lbs or 600lbs!
HARD AS STONE!!! ;)
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We never left Luke. You were the one who melted and told everyone that you will never post here again!!!! Yet you come back, they all come back....
Well i figure i was see why so many people on the other forums refer to you and Orgasm as TOTAL JEALOUS WANNBE WANKERS!
but than again, i knew that! its just that Alexxx has taken some of that pressure off you guys!
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how long have you been dating this guy, Luke?
Well Me and Milos have been going steady now for about 1o years now!! Actually how could i forget, we have just celebrated our 10th Anniversary! ;D ;D
I was going to ask you Orgasm, does Alexxx know about this affair you are having with jaejonna????
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Luke... lets not go there. You are a walking meltdown... it would take me half a post to destroy you. But that was the old Jaejonna. I have to concentrate on winning the Mr. GetBig and Chris Cormier is hospitalized in my home state. I dont have time to mess with you, this is a warning.
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it's actually your mom i'm having an affair with and she's awesome in the sack.
Well thanks orgasm!!! i will past that onto my Father. I am sure he would like another persons opinion on good his wife is in bed! he will feel great now knowing she can still please a TOY BOY!! ;D
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how long have you been dating this guy, Luke?
There are the limits in everything and I would really like to point out to you that Kim (who is wonderful lady, phenomenal bodybuilder - Miss Olympia potential and super sexy young woman) didn't deserve comments like this - regardless if those are just some jokes that you think will make you sound funny...
You hating the world must have some deep reason and OFF COURSE I expect nothing but attacks...but when you have a free moment - look at your self in the mirror and ask: WHY DO I HATE EVERYONE?
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Luke... lets not go there. You are a walking meltdown... it would take me half a post to destroy you. But that was the old Jaejonna. I have to concentrate on winning the Mr. GetBig and Chris Cormier is hospitalized in my home state. I dont have time to mess with you, this is a warning.
WOW!! MR GET BIG!! how do you qualify for this prestigious event!!!! ::)
DON'T SING IT, BRING IT!!! PLEASE DESTROY ME!!! ;D ;D
Just curious what does half a post look like compared to a full post??
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are david and paul your two boyfriends? Is that how you came up with the name?
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There are the limits in everything and I would really like to point out to you that Kim (who is wonderful lady, phenomenal bodybuilder - Miss Olympia potential and super sexy young woman) didn't deserve comments like this - regardless if those are just some jokes that you think will make you sound funny...
You hating the world must have some deep reason and OFF COURSE I expect nothing but attacks...but when you have a free moment - look at your self in the mirror and ask: WHY DO I HATE EVERYONE?
Thanks Milos, but you know how the Amigo's work!!! they did'nt have to balls to take on your Challenge with Milamar and now they start on Kim and even my blessed Mother!!! Is'nt it funny how insecure and weak women make these BOYS feel!
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are david and paul your two boyfriends? Is that how you came up with the name?
hahahah he thinks he is the barbarian brother ....
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You should be honest with the one you like most so you don't end up losing both guys.
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Calm down Lukey, unlike you my career doesnt involve bring money filled envelopes to Thailand and Japan on behalf of Milos.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok, i will applaud you for that post!!! that was GREAT!!!! at least we are back on what this thread is all about!
Hey at least i get to travel the World at someone else's expense!
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Luke is a stand up guy, who values his friendship with Milos.. So why all the negativity?
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meltdown.
I would be shocked if you actually found different word and better answer...
Care to answer my question?
Why do you hate everyone?
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what was Luke's Prize money?
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Thanks Milos, but you know how the Amigo's work!!! they did'nt have to balls to take on your Challenge with Milamar and now they start on Kim and even my blessed Mother!!! Is'nt it funny how insecure and weak women make these BOYS feel!
Well - maybe you want to issue banch press contest with Kim in Koloseum?
To tell you the truth - I would be just a judge - and I wouldn't take you up on the offer to compete with Kim...
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It just goes to show how powerful steroids are.
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JAE - remember what I told you ... LIFE IS ABOUT LOVING...NOT HATING!
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I love you guys
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???
sorry, busone ;D
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Well - maybe you want to issue banch press contest with Kim in Koloseum?
To tell you the truth - I would be just a judge - and I wouldn't take you up on the offer to compete with Kim...
Thats a great idea Milos!! we will start with a warm up of 225lbs!!! ;D
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Thats a great idea Milos!! we will start with a warm up of 225lbs!!! ;D
I bet alexxx could do 1 rep with 225 lbs !
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Once gain Milos and others, i know there is alot more important issues here to address and what this thread is all about. This has nothing to do with this thread and i apologise for that.
Make another thread guys if you have to (depends on much hating you feel dishing out) or post what ever you like about me ( i don't really care) another thread. But lets get back to the core of this thread as i am sure this sounds like its not settled yet!
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this coming from a skank on a message board trolling for cock because her "man" is too impotent to give her any, hahahaha, what a joke.
WOW! That's all you got out of it all? Thank's babe :-\.
Lisa
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I bet alexxx could do 1 rep with 225 lbs !
i can do 12 -14 at 225 but I dont lift for strength, that just happens gradually...my main focus is exhausting the fibers of the muscle. I know for a fact that Luke's girl can defeat me.
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I bet alexxx could do 1 rep with 225 lbs !
Last time I did that I did 17 reps with it pretty easy without a spot. I am sure I could get somewhere 20-25 reps if I try now.
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Once gain Milos and others, i know there is alot more important issues here to address and what this thread is all about. This has nothing to do with this thread and i apologise for that.
Make another thread guys if you have to (depends on much hating you feel dishing out) or post what ever you like about me ( i don't really care) another thread. But lets get back to the core of this thread as i am sure this sounds like its not settled yet!
I think this thread should be locked and put away, Milos has nothing to say and Shawn , I was a fan of yours but where im from you DONT talk to jake, bottom line. YOU DONT TELL EM NUTHIN, YOU DONT SAY NUTHIN, YOU KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT YOU UNDERSTAND- Goodfellas
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Last time I did that I did 17 reps with it pretty easy without a spot. I am sure I could get somewhere 20-25 reps if I try now.
that's pretty good
my friend could do 225 lbs 25 times when he was benching 365
I guess you max out at +- 330 ?
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that's pretty good
my friend could do 225 lbs 25 times when he was benching 365
I guess you max out at +- 330 ?
Most I ever did was 315 x 2
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Most I ever did was 315 x 2
We bench the same thing 8)
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We bench the same thing 8)
lol oh man I doubt you do anything near my weights!
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315 x 2 is nothing to be proud of !
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you two are lifting some sick weights, if I were you I'd go brag to some bro's on bodybuilding.com
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315 x 2 is nothing to be proud of !
What are you using for dumbells?
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What are you using for dumbells?
I don't do dumbell presses cause my left shoulder hurt like fuck since I had 2 subluxation (sp?)
The only thing I do with dumbells while training chest is incline flies
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I don't do dumbell presses cause my left shoulder hurt like f**k since I had 2 subluxation (sp?)
The only thing I do with dumbells while training chest is incline flies
Is there a place that you are not injured? I know you rectum hurts from Collosus!
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Is there a place that you are not injured? I know you rectum hurts from Collosus!
lol !
I always injure myself cause I have pussy joints
I am a girly man !!!! ;D
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There are the limits in everything and I would really like to point out to you that Kim (who is wonderful lady, phenomenal bodybuilder - Miss Olympia potential and super sexy young woman) didn't deserve comments like this - regardless if those are just some jokes that you think will make you sound funny...
You hating the world must have some deep reason and OFF COURSE I expect nothing but attacks...but when you have a free moment - look at your self in the mirror and ask: WHY DO I HATE EVERYONE?
haha owned 8)
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"super sexy young woman"
oh brother
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Well, this thread has been hijacked by the residue and has degenerated into the usual insults that are supposed to win points and demonstrate how clever one is.
I don't like to see comments made about physical attraction except in a positive way. If a guy likes muscular girls or fat girls or whatever that is no business of mine or anyone else. I find those muscular gals amazing but have never dated one. Most guys would be intimidated by them.
It was interesting following this thread because Shawn has abandoned the dealer charges against Milos and now is resorting to innuendo about Milos's wife. I have to say that is downright reprehensible to read on a discussion board and by all standards of decency makes Shawn a despicable person.
I wonder about the motivation of getting Milos in trouble and maybe sending him to jail. I guess he wouldn't be able to run his gym from prison so he would have to let it go and cheaply, too. Ah, the plot thickens. While we have no knowledge of anyone's motivation here it does seem like some there have an agenda.
Milos has emerged from the assault by Shawn with no scars whatsoever and I dare say that surprized a lot of readers here. That just goes to show how invincible the truth is and how falsehood cannot defeat integrity. I applaud Milos for telling his side of the story and inviting anyone to contradict what he says. I should think it has been amply demonstrated that there is no case to answer and Shawn should apologize to everyone here for the trouble he has caused Milos and his family.
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Well, this thread has been hijacked by the residue and has degenerated into the usual insults that are supposed to win points and demonstrate how clever one is.
I don't like to see comments made about physical attraction except in a positive way. If a guy likes muscular girls or fat girls or whatever that is no business of mine or anyone else. I find those muscular gals amazing but have never dated one. Most guys would be intimidated by them.
It was interesting following this thread because Shawn has abandoned the dealer charges against Milos and now is resorting to innuendo about Milos's wife. I have to say that is downright reprehensible to read on a discussion board and by all standards of decency makes Shawn a despicable person.
I wonder about the motivation of getting Milos in trouble and maybe sending him to jail. I guess he wouldn't be able to run his gym from prison so he would have to let it go and cheaply, too. Ah, the plot thickens. While we have no knowledge of anyone's motivation here it does seem like some there have an agenda.
Milos has emerged from the assault by Shawn with no scars whatsoever and I dare say that surprized a lot of readers here. That just goes to show how invincible the truth is and how falsehood cannot defeat integrity. I applaud Milos for telling his side of the story and inviting anyone to contradict what he says. I should think it has been amply demonstrated that there is no case to answer and Shawn should apologize to everyone here for the trouble he has caused Milos and his family.
why did you stop signing your posts, Mr. Canada 1970?
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I would be shocked if you actually found different word and better answer...
Care to answer my question?
Why do you hate everyone?
why have my posts been deleted?
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why have my posts been deleted?
Cause your a homo maybe..
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Cause your a homo maybe..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87003.0;attach=93804;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87003.0;attach=93804;image)
Did someone say homo?
Hahahahaha, Alexxx tell your mother I aint payin for no more abortions.
Why did you get yourself pregnant?
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why have my posts been deleted?
Because you are nothing but a SCUM BAG who insults everybody who comes on this board!! whether they post pictures of themselves, girlfriends, wife's or another pro bodybuilder you go way over board and make extremely insulting comments! you may think this is funny, but i am sure there is not one person here you haven't insulted more than once and i can also be sure a few of them would hold serious grudges and you think no one knows who i am?? well Sarcasm, someone out there does know you and word will get word we get around! for me, you are not worth, but some other peoples mothers and wife's you have insulted with disgusting remarks do believe in karma and you will get whats coming!
Every state i travel to in the US i run into at least person who is a member of get big and without fail they always say, "that Sarcasm is a piece of shit!!! you are very hated here man and i have no sympathy what so ever! you made the bed, now you lie in it!
Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
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Because you are nothing but a SCUM BAG who insults everybody who comes on this board!! whether they post pictures of themselves, girlfriends, wife's or another pro bodybuilder you go way over board and make extremely insulting comments! you may think this is funny, but i am sure there is not one person here you haven't insulted more than once and i can also be sure a few of them would hold serious grudges and you think no one knows who i am?? well Sarcasm, someone out there does know you and word will get word we get around! for me, you are not worth, but some other peoples mothers and wife's you have insulted with disgusting remarks do believe in karma and you will get whats coming!
Every state i travel to in the US i run into at least person who is a member of get big and without fail they always say, "that Sarcasm is a piece of shit!!! you are very hated here man and i have no sympathy what so ever! you made the bed, now you lie in it!
Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
Sarcasm is my best friend. ;)
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Sarcasm is my best friend. ;)
Well i wouldn't be bragging to much about that!
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;D
;D
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Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
Hold on now Luke, cause I'm not as vicious and ruthless as Sarcasm doesn't mean I think he is a piece of crap. You gotta understand that no matter what one person has gone through in their life, there is no way to understand what another has experienced. Yes he offends without regard and is malicious, but I don't think he is a piece of crap. I have been called everything in the book, nothing to a personal effect but maybe cause I choose to not put my personal stuff out. Everyone has to understand that if you put our one iota of info, it will be shitted on. Now thats me, for others I cant speak of and I choose not to. Yes there might be a crazy ass guy who post pics of his girl up and thus has sarcasm rip them to shreds. But Sarcasm is a big boy and I'm sure he knows that people do get angry and some get really angry, but even though its not my point of view its his and thats how he chooses to express himself. I told you that I wasn't like Sarcasm, but I don't hate him at all. he actually says the type of dastardly things that I would say but beats me to it or has the balls to say it.
its all about Respect!
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sarcasm cannot have a real friend on here because that would me he would have to show himself.
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;D
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That's you and your "friend" Sarcasm! lol :D
**This is the funniest thing i've ever created lol**
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Hold on now Luke, cause I'm not as vicious and ruthless as Sarcasm doesn't mean I think he is a piece of crap. You gotta understand that no matter what one person has gone through in their life, there is no way to understand what another has experienced. Yes he offends without regard and is malicious, but I don't think he is a piece of crap. I have been called everything in the book, nothing to a personal effect but maybe cause I choose to not put my personal stuff out. Everyone has to understand that if you put our one iota of info, it will be shitted on. Now thats me, for others I cant speak of and I choose not to. Yes there might be a crazy ass guy who post pics of his girl up and thus has sarcasm rip them to shreds. But Sarcasm is a big boy and I'm sure he knows that people do get angry and some get really angry, but even though its not my point of view its his and thats how he chooses to express himself. I told you that I wasn't like Sarcasm, but I don't hate him at all. he actually says the type of dastardly things that I would say but beats me to it or has the balls to say it.
its all about Respect!
Ok fair enough post! but you say you chose to not put you personal stuff out there!!! did i post a picture of Kim (my girl) to start with or did you dig it out first?? than the first person to post was Sarcasm and was extremely disrespectful towards her. Now that was not me putting a my person stuff up there, you found the picture, posted it and knew full well that A-hole would say those things about her!
now even i was to post a picture of Kim myself, because i am trying help lift her profile and i am down right just plain proud of her, thats doesn't give an open invitation as you have basically said above to make disgusting, degrading comments about them. If you don't like what you see as i sometimes do here, just don't comment!
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Because you are nothing but a SCUM BAG who insults everybody who comes on this board!! whether they post pictures of themselves, girlfriends, wife's or another pro bodybuilder you go way over board and make extremely insulting comments! you may think this is funny, but i am sure there is not one person here you haven't insulted more than once and i can also be sure a few of them would hold serious grudges and you think no one knows who i am?? well Sarcasm, someone out there does know you and word will get word we get around! for me, you are not worth, but some other peoples mothers and wife's you have insulted with disgusting remarks do believe in karma and you will get whats coming!
Every state i travel to in the US i run into at least person who is a member of get big and without fail they always say, "that Sarcasm is a piece of shit!!! you are very hated here man and i have no sympathy what so ever! you made the bed, now you lie in it!
Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
Galactic meltdown!
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I have been following this thread, and read everything Milos and Shawn
have written. It's not easy to know whats the truth, these things have
at least two sides. But... it is clear that Milos is trying to explain the case
very thoroughly, Shawn on the other hand is just implaying things.
I have been following this board since the Titus case, and i have to
say that after reading many of Shawn posts i think of him as a punk.
In here he lacks the professionalism that he i displaying elsewhere.
It makes me wonder when he obviously doesn't understand that it is
hurting his credibility.
Shawn, i have respect for you and you were a great bodybuilder.
But... if you behave like you have done sometimes in here you
will loose that respect.
Milos, best of luck to you. Reading your posts in here makes me
symphatise with you. Hope your doing well.
djohnsen
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Well, this thread has been hijacked by the residue and has degenerated into the usual insults that are supposed to win points and demonstrate how clever one is.
I don't like to see comments made about physical attraction except in a positive way. If a guy likes muscular girls or fat girls or whatever that is no business of mine or anyone else. I find those muscular gals amazing but have never dated one. Most guys would be intimidated by them.
It was interesting following this thread because Shawn has abandoned the dealer charges against Milos and now is resorting to innuendo about Milos's wife. I have to say that is downright reprehensible to read on a discussion board and by all standards of decency makes Shawn a despicable person.
I wonder about the motivation of getting Milos in trouble and maybe sending him to jail. I guess he wouldn't be able to run his gym from prison so he would have to let it go and cheaply, too. Ah, the plot thickens. While we have no knowledge of anyone's motivation here it does seem like some there have an agenda.
Milos has emerged from the assault by Shawn with no scars whatsoever and I dare say that surprized a lot of readers here. That just goes to show how invincible the truth is and how falsehood cannot defeat integrity. I applaud Milos for telling his side of the story and inviting anyone to contradict what he says. I should think it has been amply demonstrated that there is no case to answer and Shawn should apologize to everyone here for the trouble he has caused Milos and his family.
THANK YOU VINCE.
You are a true gentelmen and someone that I would absolutely love to meet.
I was in Australia (twice) and didn't get the chance to stop by your gym...but I WILL make sure that next time I come (Australian Grand Prix 2007 - where I plan to compete - in memory of my dear friend Sonny Schmidt) I find where you are and take you for lunch (and a chat). I do think we have a lot in common...and I am looking foreward to that conversation.
Also, I am with you on - OPEN INVITATION for everyone to contradict what I am saying...
While there are many people here on getbig that care less about this whole scenario...MANY PEOPLE DO CARE, read and listen what I have to say...
People that know me are certain about my integrity but for others (that don't know me) I do want to emphasise that absolutely EVERYTHING that I am saying here is 100% truth.
And as always - truth finds it's way to be known...
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Milos when you come down to Sydney after the show on the Gold Coast next year we will go to Vince's for a workout 100%
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Because you are nothing but a SCUM BAG who insults everybody who comes on this board!! whether they post pictures of themselves, girlfriends, wife's or another pro bodybuilder you go way over board and make extremely insulting comments! you may think this is funny, but i am sure there is not one person here you haven't insulted more than once and i can also be sure a few of them would hold serious grudges and you think no one knows who i am?? well Sarcasm, someone out there does know you and word will get word we get around! for me, you are not worth, but some other peoples mothers and wife's you have insulted with disgusting remarks do believe in karma and you will get whats coming!
Every state i travel to in the US i run into at least person who is a member of get big and without fail they always say, "that Sarcasm is a piece of shit!!! you are very hated here man and i have no sympathy what so ever! you made the bed, now you lie in it!
Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
epic threats of violence meltdown, hahahahaha, so i guess from this post Luke is saying that i'm famous.
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Sarcasm is a legend and should be treated with respect.
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Milos when you come down to Sydney after the show on the Gold Coast next year we will go to Vince's for a workout 100%
THAT'S THE PLAN.
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Milos you shine in this thread as open intelligent and articulate
props to Luke Woods too
Dont let fuckwits like sarcasm get to you if you ignore them hopefully they will go away.
Shawn Ray needs to chill out!
I cant believe how high and mighty he is people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, are you saying Shawn that you never took steroids ....
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Because you are nothing but a SCUM BAG who insults everybody who comes on this board!! whether they post pictures of themselves, girlfriends, wife's or another pro bodybuilder you go way over board and make extremely insulting comments! you may think this is funny, but i am sure there is not one person here you haven't insulted more than once and i can also be sure a few of them would hold serious grudges and you think no one knows who i am?? well Sarcasm, someone out there does know you and word will get word we get around! for me, you are not worth, but some other peoples mothers and wife's you have insulted with disgusting remarks do believe in karma and you will get whats coming!
Every state i travel to in the US i run into at least person who is a member of get big and without fail they always say, "that Sarcasm is a piece of shit!!! you are very hated here man and i have no sympathy what so ever! you made the bed, now you lie in it!
Even Alexxx and jaojonna think you are a piece of crap!!!!
I agree
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I agree
hahahaha, ok "gettingbetter". ::)
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Hey, Milos and Luke, you are both welcome to train at my gym. I would love to show you my equipment and we can talk about bodybuilding, gyms and whatever else that is of interest. I look forward to meeting you both. If I am in LA I will drop by Milos's gym and say hello for sure. I think the quality of some have been revealed here both positively and negatively and one nice outcome is that some of us support and appreciate likeminded people. I know I have a lot in common with Milos so it will be interesting to see what happens when we meet. I don't make friends easily but am a friendly guy.
By the way, Luke, I appreciate your gal. She is very impressive and has an allure about her. Good for you to defend her from the flotsom herein.
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Hey Vince,
If you are looking to score some soiled posing trunks, I hear Earl1972 has a hell of a collection.
no, Vince Basile and his gay lover have plenty of those.
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Hey Vince,
If you are looking to score some soiled posing trunks, I hear Earl1972 has a hell of a collection.
hahahahaha you are 40 year old retard and your jokes suck!
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Hey, Milos and Luke, you are both welcome to train at my gym. I would love to show you my equipment and we can talk about bodybuilding, gyms and whatever else that is of interest. I look forward to meeting you both. If I am in LA I will drop by Milos's gym and say hello for sure. I think the quality of some have been revealed here both positively and negatively and one nice outcome is that some of us support and appreciate likeminded people. I know I have a lot in common with Milos so it will be interesting to see what happens when we meet. I don't make friends easily but am a friendly guy.
By the way, Luke, I appreciate your gal. She is very impressive and has an allure about her. Good for you to defend her from the flotsom herein.
Vince, I didn't know that you are planning the trip to LA...
By all means - I would LOVE TO SEE YOU in my gym.
It is about 40 minutes from LA. If you don't have transportation - I will personally pick you up.
On another note - I would love to see you on my board as well...(www.milossarcev.com)
At least I can guarantee you one thing: NOBODY will treat you with even slightest disrespect on my board.
I (and my moderators) just don't allow that...
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Vince, I didn't know that you are planning the trip to LA...
By all means - I would LOVE TO SEE YOU in my gym.
It is about 40 minutes from LA. If you don't have transportation - I will personally pick you up.
On another note - I would love to see you on my board as well...(www.milossarcev.com)
At least I can guarantee you one thing: NOBODY will treat you with even slightest disrespect on my board.
I (and my moderators) just don't allow that...
is it like mayhem?
i rememeber they banned you there for no reason.
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I can guarantee you one thing: NOBODY will treat you with even slightest disrespect on my board.
I (and my moderators) just don't allow that...
Sounds pretty dull. :(
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is it dull not having to wade through pages of gayer than comments and childish insults to read the valid points
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Hey, Milos and Luke, you are both welcome to train at my gym. I would love to show you my equipment and we can talk about bodybuilding, gyms and whatever else that is of interest. I look forward to meeting you both. If I am in LA I will drop by Milos's gym and say hello for sure. I think the quality of some have been revealed here both positively and negatively and one nice outcome is that some of us support and appreciate likeminded people. I know I have a lot in common with Milos so it will be interesting to see what happens when we meet. I don't make friends easily but am a friendly guy.
By the way, Luke, I appreciate your gal. She is very impressive and has an allure about her. Good for you to defend her from the flotsom herein.
Hello Vince!!! thankyou so much for your kind words and makng me feel so welcome! Thankyou for your post about Kim!! Very nice of you mate!
Vince you are in Ryde correct?? What abouts again Vince??
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Vince, I didn't know that you are planning the trip to LA...
By all means - I would LOVE TO SEE YOU in my gym.
It is about 40 minutes from LA. If you don't have transportation - I will personally pick you up.
On another note - I would love to see you on my board as well...(www.milossarcev.com)
At least I can guarantee you one thing: NOBODY will treat you with even slightest disrespect on my board.
I (and my moderators) just don't allow that...
When Vince do you think you will be in the US?? Maybe Olympia time???
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Luke keep up the good work mate looking awesome bro and you are lucky to have a beautifull woman that shares the passion for bodybuilding with you.Milos you are one of my idols when i was growing up i had three role models yourself,petar celik and late fikret hodzic hope to meet you one day.
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I have no plans at the moment to come to America this year but I do have family up in Canada and grandchildren in Vancouver and I like to visit as often as I can. I would rather go to visit Milos than head for Golds Venice where I might not run into anyone I know. I usually know someone at Golds but I prefer to go somewhere where I would be a guest. We gym owners sure hate paying for workouts! They don't always appreciate comments I make about equipment. The last time I was at Golds I asked where their kneeling triceps extension machine was. They said they didn't have one. I said I have 3 in my gym. How are you supposed to train triceps without that machine?
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Here is my version of an assisted chinning machine. Just completed it this week. It took me a few months to design and build in my engineering factory. Not many bodybuilders have a gym and an engineering factory.
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How are you supposed to train triceps without that machine?
you grab a cambered bar and do french presses, or you do them using cables
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I have no plans at the moment to come to America this year but I do have family up in Canada and grandchildren in Vancouver and I like to visit as often as I can. I would rather go to visit Milos than head for Golds Venice where I might not run into anyone I know. I usually know someone at Golds but I prefer to go somewhere where I would be a guest. We gym owners sure hate paying for workouts! They don't always appreciate comments I make about equipment. The last time I was at Golds I asked where their kneeling triceps extension machine was. They said they didn't have one. I said I have 3 in my gym. How are you supposed to train triceps without that machine?
your arms look 11 inches in those pictures.
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kneeling tricep extensions ???
ive never seen that nor do i think the mecca is
going to have it, nor does milos gym have it..
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your arms look 11 inches in those pictures.
I think Vince is the creator of the kneeling tricept machine...maybe some people are too lazt to take cables and kneel on the ground to perform tricept extensions. Thats like my idea of the alternate dumbell curl machine. This machine allows you to perform alternate dumbell curls..
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Look at this Ab Room..... you can perform ab exercises with this Special Area...
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I think Vince is the creator of the kneeling tricept machine...maybe some people are too lazt to take cables and kneel on the ground to perform tricept extensions. Thats like my idea of the alternate dumbell curl machine. This machine allows you to perform alternate dumbell curls..
hahahahahahaha.
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Look at this Ab Room..... you can perform ab exercises with this Special Area...
hahahha
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kneeling tricep extensions ???
ive never seen that nor do i think the mecca is
going to have it, nor does milos gym have it..
looks like it takes up way to much space.....you should just have one of those instead of three and then fill the empty space with some of those "pinch" machines"
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Ok Shawn, if your so "innocent", then tell us where you got your "supplements" for your ENTIRE PRO CAREER? You sit here and act like you have NEVER "bought & sold"!!! BS!! You obviously got them from somewhere.
Talk about "throwing stones in glass houses"......your glass house is shattered!
Let me give you a lesson on "Strength & Honor":
Strength applies to much more than just physical accomplishments. Strength starts with a man's character. Your character is dispiccable! A former top-notch pro bodbuilder who has fixed himself in front of a computer 23 hours a day with the intentions and sole purpose of trying to destroy another man on a public forum. Strength? You have NO strength! Your weak! A weak soul who uses a smoke screen to deflect a fading reputation.
Honor......YOU have NONE! Honor means:HOMAGE, REVERENCE, DEFERENCE mean respect and esteem shown to another. HONOR may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect. You can't honestly say you have that?!
At this point (with low blows about another man's wife), myself and many others have lost ALL respect for you.
Bodybuilding will be much better when you GO AWAY forever.
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Nothing beats free weights
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I just think Luke Wood really needs to apologize to everyone for disappointing show placings.
Shut up you idiot
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I just think Luke Wood really needs to apologize to everyone for disappointing show placings.
Hey Grundle shit! You need to opologise for being such a Dickhead! :D
If you have'nt notice yet stupid, Luke is not taking any notice of you! ::)
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Very long, but I am glad I got through all the posts. Like other posts on Getbig, this originally started off as an anouncement that degenerated into insults and pointless arguing.
Milos, you seem like a gentleman, you are articulate, well spoken and have defended yourself with respect and clarity.
Shawn, "That which ye shall do to the least of my brethren, that which ye shall do unto me." As a believer, it is important that we let our walk do our evangelizing. Whatever occured between you and Milos is just that. Why air out your differences on a public forum? I expect better of a fellow believer. Take the high road, and say nothing. You were a great bodybuilder, one of the best, be a great believer. Christianity takes a lot of abuse because of folks who espouse faith, yet don't live it. Don't be one of those.
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Christianity takes a lot of abuse because of folks who espouse faith, yet don't live it. Don't be one of those.
;)
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Strength applies to much more than just physical accomplishments. Strength starts with a man's character. Your character is dispiccable! A former top-notch pro bodbuilder who has fixed himself in front of a computer 23 hours a day with the intentions and sole purpose of trying to destroy another man on a public forum. Strength? You have NO strength! Your weak! A weak soul who uses a smoke screen to deflect a fading reputation.
Honor......YOU have NONE! Honor means:HOMAGE, REVERENCE, DEFERENCE mean respect and esteem shown to another. HONOR may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect. You can't honestly say you have that?!
;)
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At this point (with low blows about another man's wife), myself and many others have lost ALL respect for you.
Bodybuilding will be much better when you GO AWAY forever.
;D
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Christianity takes a lot of abuse because of folks who espouse faith, yet don't live it. Don't be one of those.
are you saying that Shawn is a fraud ? ;D
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I have no plans at the moment to come to America this year but I do have family up in Canada and grandchildren in Vancouver and I like to visit as often as I can. I would rather go to visit Milos than head for Golds Venice where I might not run into anyone I know. I usually know someone at Golds but I prefer to go somewhere where I would be a guest. We gym owners sure hate paying for workouts! They don't always appreciate comments I make about equipment. The last time I was at Golds I asked where their kneeling triceps extension machine was. They said they didn't have one. I said I have 3 in my gym. How are you supposed to train triceps without that machine?
Vince - consider that you have VIP pass for life (any time you come) in Koloseum Gym Fullerton.
However - please forgive me for not having kneeling triceps extension machine...
I do that exercise often - changing the height of the pulley and using different benches as a support for elbows (and sometimes purposely no support at all)...but I must admit - I don't have that machine...
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are you saying that Shawn is a fraud ? ;D
Are you saying that sky is blue and grass could possibly be green?
As an oversized, glossy, scented, octagonal $3.58 dollar-bill with blue edges, red star in the middle and his picture on both sides...(you know he can't put his picture on just one side...)
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hey milos i know you are from yugoslavia, just wondering, serb, croat? i myself am from macedonian decent but an aussie :)
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Milos is from SERBIA , like me heheh , and I hope he will come to Belgrade and extreme gym this year ;)
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Milos is from SERBIA , like me heheh , and I hope he will come to Belgrade and extreme gym this year ;)
YES...and YES...
BTW - I might be at the Serbian National Championships in October...(I certainly hope so).
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YES...and YES...
BTW - I might be at the Serbian National Championships in October...(I certainly hope so).
Milos, please, tell us the scoop
Lucky Luke don't want to tell us wich show he is doing this fall
I'm sure you have the answer ;)
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What do you think of Slobodan Milosevic?
stupid question
and he is dead ???
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What's so stpuid about it my serbian friend, I found many Serbs a had a lot patriotism when it came to Slobodan.
we don't talk bad things when that person is dead
I don't think that Milos or anyone in Serbia thinks about Milosevic politics , and that patrioitism is for Serbia not for Milosevic
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are you saying that Shawn is a fraud ? ;D
Didn't say that, but take it as you will. A lot of believers intend to follow the gospel, but faith without works is dead. If Jesus is the center of your life, you will not need to tell others you are a Christian. They will know by your words, and DEEDS.
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Didn't say that, but take it as you will. A lot of believers intend to follow the gospel, but faith without works is dead. If Jesus is the center of your life, you will not need to tell others you are a Christian. They will know by your words, and DEEDS.
ok, "americanbulldog", hahahahahaha. oh brother what a name.
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hahahaha, Shawn telling the brutal truth again, Milos has been crucified.
sarspasm,
why is your head shoved up shawn rays ass?
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Milos, please, tell us the scoop
Lucky Luke don't want to tell us wich show he is doing this fall
I'm sure you have the answer ;)
Lucky Luke will tell you and the truth is Lucky Luke is undecided as to competing again this year.
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Lucky Luke will tell you and the truth is Lucky Luke is undecided as to competing again this year.
Luke, Your fans would like to see you do the Atlantic City pro show..
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Luke, Your fans would like to see you do the Atlantic City pro show..
I appreciate that very much. Have to just wait and see what happens? ;)
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So shawn how long did it tell for the owners to tell you to get the f*^k off their lawn?
LMFAO
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Didn't say that, but take it as you will. A lot of believers intend to follow the gospel, but faith without works is dead. If Jesus is the center of your life, you will not need to tell others you are a Christian. They will know by your words, and DEEDS.
And not from pics of your car or house; that's getting old...
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Looks Shawn has made a RUNNER!!!!! Maybe he is now trying to digg up evidence that Milos is really ELVIS PRESLEY!!! ;D
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:)
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brutal 16 inch arms.
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brutal 16 inch arms.
Yes sarcasm milso has girly men arms.
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;)
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got any blue suede shoes?
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got any blue suede shoes?
But off course... 8)
BTW - that's the song that I had to dance to (inside the casino) while shooting for Muscle and Fitness (Elvis photoshoot)...
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:)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just feel off my chair laughing!!!!!!! Great one Milos! ;D ;D ;D
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I remember seeing that Elvis picture in a mag some time ago, but the other where you are dressed like a Roman Solider i had'nt seen!!! you look awsome in that shot Milos!!!!
Ok Sarcasm! if Milos has 16 inch arms and lets say they are! What do you say to guys like Chris Cormier, Vince Taylor, Mike Matarazzo, Ernie Taylor, Nassar Elsonbaty, Jay Cutler, Darrem charles, Dennis James, Sonny Schmidt and at least 50 other great champions over the last 15 years that Milos has beaten????
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Vince - consider that you have VIP pass for life (any time you come) in Koloseum Gym Fullerton.
However - please forgive me for not having kneeling triceps extension machine...
I do that exercise often - changing the height of the pulley and using different benches as a support for elbows (and sometimes purposely no support at all)...but I must admit - I don't have that machine...
Milos what about me bro? Can i get a VIP pass for life ??? Seriously i'd come over there and train if can, definitely bro
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Milos what about me bro? Can i get a VIP pass for life ??? Seriously i'd come over there and train if can, definitely bro
Why not?
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Thanks, Milos, for that gesture. I know you mean for the life of your gym and not necessarily my lifetime. :)You are welcome at my gym any time. Could you tell us what brands of equipment you have in your gym?
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Thanks, Milos, for that gesture. I know you mean for the life of your gym and not necessarily my lifetime. :)You are welcome at my gym any time. Could you tell us what brands of equipment you have in your gym?
Hi Vince,
I did mean for your lifetime (as long as I own that gym you will have VIP pass)...
I have TUFF STUFF, HAMMER, CYBEX, BODY MASTER, POLARIS, LIFE FITNESS...
http://koloseumgym.com/
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Thanks, Milos, for that gesture. I know you mean for the life of your gym and not necessarily my lifetime. :)You are welcome at my gym any time. Could you tell us what brands of equipment you have in your gym?
Vince - Milo's gym has soooooooo much equipment it will make your head spin. I don't think I've ever seen a gym that has as much equipment per square foot.
He has all of the great stuff (Hammer, Cybex VR2, Cybex Plate Loaded, etc.). Also, his dumbbells go up to 200lbs.
It's not necessarily the cleanest gym around, but it is clean. More importantly, it's HARDCORE! You'll love it!
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Milos,
I looked on your Enter the Mind board for information about a guy named Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale who is a nutritional expert. I found that you put a link to his site Metabolicdiet.com and said it was good information.
My question is are you familiar with his "Anabolic Diet"? He claims it is a low carb, hi protein/fat diet designed to help bodybuilders add more lean mass without fat as compared to the conventional higher carb/protein, low fat diet. It is similar to the Metabolic diet in many ways Do you find this to be true from experience or from past research. I have the book and also another training manual he co-authored entitled "Serious Strength Training". I am a beginning trainee and I want to add quality muscle and not just bulk up on misappropriated calories and end up with mostly fat accumulation. The training book has great routines and explanations but it is the diet I question. I had to ask because out of all the bb community, "gurus", etc. you are one of the only ones that truly apply knowledge and research into bb nutrition. Thanks alot.
Steven
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Hi Vince,
I did mean for your lifetime (as long as I own that gym you will have VIP pass)...
I have TUFF STUFF, HAMMER, CYBEX, BODY MASTER, POLARIS, LIFE FITNESS...
http://koloseumgym.com/
Vince he also has a machine known as the TORTURE TEST AKA SLOW HACK SQUAT!!!! :o Milos has few versions of his own TORTURE TEST EQUIPMENT! :P :P Its made by YES Milos Sarcev! :D
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Milos,
I looked on your Enter the Mind board for information about a guy named Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale who is a nutritional expert. I found that you put a link to his site Metabolicdiet.com and said it was good information.
My question is are you familiar with his "Anabolic Diet"? He claims it is a low carb, hi protein/fat diet designed to help bodybuilders add more lean mass without fat as compared to the conventional higher carb/protein, low fat diet. It is similar to the Metabolic diet in many ways Do you find this to be true from experience or from past research. I have the book and also another training manual he co-authored entitled "Serious Strength Training". I am a beginning trainee and I want to add quality muscle and not just bulk up on misappropriated calories and end up with mostly fat accumulation. The training book has great routines and explanations but it is the diet I question. I had to ask because out of all the bb community, "gurus", etc. you are one of the only ones that truly apply knowledge and research into bb nutrition. Thanks alot.
Steven
Steven,
I have nothing but respect for Doctor Mauro Di Pasquale and I read all of his books...
His knowledge of biochemistry far exceeds mine...and I certainly had a lot to learn from him.
However, I do have some different views on THE BEST AND MOST EFECTIVE bodybuilders diet and I did get into deep conversation with him during one of the SWISS conventions...
Both Metabolic and Anabolic diets are GREAT...no question...Try it and make your experience with it.
I always like to use Bruce Lee's method: OBSERVE and LEARN (everything and anything), ACCEPT WHAT IS USEFUL (good and what makes sense), DISCARD WHAT IS USELESS (bad and makes no sense) and CREATE ESSENTIALLY YOUR OWN (style, method, opinion...ANYTHING ;))....
When I teach my clients diets, training programs and..."secrets of the pros ;D" I tell them the same philosophy...
I tell them to accept what they find useful...and usually I would ask them at the end IF they indeed have found anything to be useful and that makes sense...
Normally - I get the answer - everything makes perfect sense...and THAT is why they continue with "my methods"...
Mauro Di Pasquale has MANY satisfied customers as well...believe me.
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Thank you very much Milos for your advice. I was a bit hesitant to try it because I thought that I could not train effectively on a low carb diet and build muscle at the same time. Obviously there must be more to it than that if so many praise his diet program. I will definitely give it a shot and see what happens. Not guts no glory right? ;) Take care
Steven
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Thank you very much Milos for your advice. I was a bit hesitant to try it because I thought that I could not train effectively on a low carb diet and build muscle at the same time. Obviously there must be more to it than that if so many praise his diet program. I will definitely give it a shot and see what happens. Not guts no glory right? ;) Take care
Steven
You can train very effectively without carbs - using FAT as a substrate that fuels you or letting your body convert protein (gluconeogenesis) to glucose...BUT that was exactly a topic of my discussion with Mauro...
Try this diet for a while and maybe after few weeks you want to try modifying it a little bit (my way) by adding specific carbs only during specific (logical ;)) times during a day...
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Milos do you advocate the methods of Vince Gironda?
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Milos do you advocate the methods of Vince Gironda?
try them for yourself they might actually put some muscle on that skinny/fat pathetic body of yours.
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Milos do you advocate the methods of Vince Gironda?
yes Milos what do you think about Gironda methods 6x6 , 8x8 , 10x10 and other of his methods , I think you said somwhere that you train 10x10 way on recommendation of Charles Poliquin but 10x10 is Girondas method , what do you think are this methods good for building muscles ?
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i was more interested in gironda's stuff with diet
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This is one of the most interesting threads in the entire time I've read the boards. I'm serious
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i was more interested in gironda's stuff with diet
I have no idea what Vince was suggesting...
Can someone tell me?
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I have no idea what Vince was suggesting...
Can someone tell me?
Low Carb Eating .It consisted of eating only fats and protein for three to four days straight, followed by one day where you include onelarge carbohydrate-containing meal and then repeat the cycle.
Amino Loading , he had used amino loading . few times a day he would take amino tabs , he said as long as there is aminos in blood we wouldn't enter a catabolic state and would continue to build muscle.
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Gironda was an interesting character. I can remember reading Vince's monthly column in MMI back in the late 80's - early nineties (before MMI sucked). I also remember him granting the occasional interview with Kennedy, Zulak, etc. This was long before Muscle Tech - back when MMI acknowledged the importance of steroids in bodybuilding, and was actually a fairly credible magazine.
In addition to the low carbs, I remember Vince recommending several pounds of meat a day. He liked to suggest steak and whole eggs fried in butter. And lots of dessicated liver tabs and some other more exotic supplements he said were hormone "precursors". For bulking he also recommended a daily blended drink consisting of a large amount of half and half with protein powder and a large number of raw eggs to be sipped throughout the day.
His training recommendations were also somewhat unique. He advised against squats in favor of other leg exercises like front squats, smith squats, hacks, sissy squats, etc. He didn't like bench presses or deads either. I'm sure it's no coincidence that his physique (and those of many of his pupils) had a lean, aesthetic look, but seemed to have mediocre development in the legs, traps, etc., and seemed to lack that "powerful" look one gets after many years of heavy basics. He also advised against aerobic activity. He felt that diet and a quicker training pace would get one ripped without eating away muscle.
He seemed to be rabidly anti-steroid. He even went so far as to deny that his prize pupil and Mr Olympia runner up Mohamed Makawy (sp?) was ever using.
His column was usually quite entertaining. He came off as an obnoxious character, sort of a bodybuilding version of a Don Rickels. He seemed to get his fair share of hate mail, which he answered with hysterical one-liner insults and obnoxious rants. I also recall seeing a video where he was training this chick, and he was screaming and yelling at her like a drill sargeant, to the point where the girl was near tears. It was said that he was a heavy drinker, which I'm sure only made him more abrasive.
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Vince Gironda's stuff on diet was pretty simple. Lots of eggs and beef was one thing. Another was that complex carbs should not be eaten with protein and that protein should be eaten with fats or vegetables. His protein shakes were raw eggs with half and half and of course some powder. He was also an advocate of desicated liver and Hydrocholric acid tablets, zinc, kelp... and a lot of unusual supplements that i don't remember.
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Milos do you advocate the methods of Vince Gironda?
After reading about his methods - NO I DON'T....
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Speaking of Vince, do you advocate the methods prescribed by Vince G, CSN MFT?
Or the bicycle riding styles of Pee Wee Herman???
Don't waste Milos' time with nonsense. He's really taking a lot of time to research the questions and answer them truthfully and trying to be helpful.
We appreciate your time Milos. Thank you for contributing to the boards. You are definitely an asset to Getbig.
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Hi Milos....
i was wondering if u r going to attend the NOC!! ;D
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When is it?
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16th Sept. NY..... but if u couldnt make it i will do my best to visit u in L.A if u r there... its really worth it.
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No, that is the same day as North American Championships and my training partner might be entering that show...
I will be back in Fullerton on Monday after the show - and I would sure like to see you...
Let me know IF you are coming.
Good luck at your show!
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Heavy drinker? Gironda? Come on... He wasn't against squats if you had no glutes. As far as aerobics he said not to do them but he'd train people to the point where they could do sets with 15 seconds rest. Wheather Makkawy took steroids or not... he wasn't big at all. If he did it was hiding from Gironda.
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Heavy drinker? Gironda? Come on... He wasn't against squats if you had no glutes. As far as aerobics he said not to do them but he'd train people to the point where they could do sets with 15 seconds rest. Wheather Makkawy took steroids or not... he wasn't big at all. If he did it was hiding from Gironda.
I don't have any first hand knowledge of Gironda's drinking (I never met him), but several well-known credible sources stated in print over the years that he drank excessively (wine, I think). I've also read numerous posts on many different boards over the past 6-7 years from older "Iron Ager" types who claimed to have known him or moved in the same circles who asserted that he was a heavy drinker. Although I'm a natural skeptic of that which I have no first hand knowledge of, I'm inclined to believe something may have some truth to it when numerous people all say the same thing. If one or two people had said it, maybe it was just gossip. But numerous sources have said this.
As far as Makkaway, he was certainly small-framed. But look at his condition at the '83 Olympia and tell me if you think he was natural. It was said that Gironda was aware of Larry Scott's use in the '60s and trained him anyway. I doubt that he would have condemned Makkaway for doing the same thing. But I'm not sure exactly what his motive would have been for claiming Makkaway was natural if he knew or suspected otherwise.
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No, that is the same day as North American Championships and my training partner might be entering that show...
I will be back in Fullerton on Monday after the show - and I would sure like to see you...
Let me know IF you are coming.
Good luck at your show!
Thanx alot Milos.... now i have 2 Reasons to come to US, Doing the NOC and Meeting the MIND ;)
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I don't think he was a heavy drinker. He was always ripped. I'm sure a lot of people didn't like him because of how he acted. he used to throw people out of his gym and give them their money back if they asked for his advice and didn't follow it.
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I don't think he was a heavy drinker. He was always ripped. I'm sure a lot of people didn't like him because of how he acted. he used to throw people out of his gym and give them their money back if they asked for his advice and didn't follow it.
He was certainly ripped when he was young. I've seen many pics of him showing off his physique when he was younger. But as he got older, he always seemed to be fully clothed. Of course most people don't feel the need to try to maintain a hypermuscular physique with single digit bodyfat into retirement age. I don't recall hearing wether or not he was a lush in his younger years, or if it was something that developed as he got older.
Those old timers who have spoke of him (the same ones that mention the heavy drinking) actually always seemed to speak fondly of him. I certainly never got the impression that they disliked him (although many admit that he was somewhat obnoxious) and were lying out of spite in order to smear his name or anything like that. And again, there are a fairly large number of people who have been saying the same thing about him being a heavy drinker - going back to many years before his death.
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Well if he drank a lot toward the end of his life that is no surprise. The guy was forced to close down his gym and stop training people which is what he loved. There are pictures of him in his late fifties with incredible definition.
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Ah Milos.............."I PLEAD NO CONTEST!"
Your office Blows me away.
Now I know why they call you "The Mind!" ::)
So many Books, impressive! :o
Where do they say SYNTHOL will make you into a Champion?
Not once but TWICE!
Remember, when your wife shot up yout "TRICEPS" and you dropped to the floor with the Last Will and Testiment being read to you?
Smart Milos, you didn't learn from the first time you did it, now look at you trying to throw stones in glass houses.
Dont even get me started or the rest will flow like Gin and JUICE :o
You wanna bring your girl into this?
Dont even start trying to drag family into it, you will lose BIG! :-*
Wow.
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nobody likes a rat
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Bump for the Golden Age of GetBig
All of you new people need to see what made Getbig what it is ;D and why it's gone down hill since
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Remember this thread "classic", is Miss Karen Booty?
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Bump for the Golden Age of GetBig
All of you new people need to see what made Getbig what it is ;D and why it's gone down hill since
why
do you get hard because it says ifbb pro next to the people posting shit
where as now they all post under gimmicks
this thread is basically a bunch of snitches bitching about each other