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and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence 8)
"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.
What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.
Progression is the only thing that matters."
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and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence 8)
"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.
What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.
Progression is the only thing that matters."
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how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?
even children can figure this out:
if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses
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and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence 8)
"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.
What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.
Progression is the only thing that matters."
Horseshit
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how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?
even children can figure this out:
if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses
took my post...LOL.
One minute dj thinks he knows something and acts serious, the next he's "trolling"
One constant...he's always a fucking idiot.
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took my post...LOL.
One minute dj thinks he knows something and acts serious, the next he's "trolling"
One constant...he's always a fucking idiot.
x2 i used to find his goofy posts somewhat endearing, in a way
but three years later, after being humbled many times, he's still spouting off the "progressive overload" bullshit when STEROIDS were the only thing that allowed him to hang on to any muscle at all... it's just pathetic beyond belief. it's like watching a bulimic girl who never shuts up about the importance of balanced eating, or some shit -- a walking contradiction almost too hard to believe.
and what the fuck is with the phony ass "alpha" attitude, which, by the way dj, is more transparent than the cling wrap over your leftovers... do you think anyone is really buying this shit? do you ever read what you write? actually sound the words out sometime, and tell me you don't cringe.
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x2 i used to find his goofy posts somewhat endearing, in a way
but three years later, after being humbled many times, he's still spouting off the "progressive overload" bullshit when STEROIDS were the only thing that allowed him to hang on to any muscle at all... it's just pathetic beyond belief. it's like watching a bulimic girl who never shuts up about the importance of balanced eating, or some shit -- a walking contradiction almost too hard to believe.
and what the fuck is with the phony ass "alpha" attitude, which, by the way dj, is more transparent than the cling wrap over your leftovers... do you think anyone is really buying this shit? do you ever read what you write? actually sound the words out sometime, and tell me you don't cringe.
I know i do.....LOL.
Comprehensive brutal pwnage, BTW.
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Horseshit
why is it horseshit, in your opinion?
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here's a direct quote from your buddy lyle mcdonald concerning progressive overload
"First off, I want to make the point that the primary stimulus for muscle growth is progressive tension overload; that is, you must subject a muscle to progressive overload (primarily in the form) of lifting more weight over time. This is discussed in more detail in Reps Per Set for Optimal Growth.
Other factors such as volume/fatigue/work (and frequency) are clearly important but, simply, if you’re not getting stronger (and here I’m assuming that you’re not changing your form to handle more weight) over time, along with providing sufficient calories and building blocks, you’re not growing.
Quick note: this doesn’t mean you have to add weight at every workout which is the HIT fallacy. Depending on your level of development, you might add weight every workout, you might stay at a given weight for 2-3 workouts or it might be 2-3 weeks before you can add weight in good form. But, if over some reasonable time frame, your training weights aren’t increasing, you won’t be growing."
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dj181 has replaced shizzo as getbig's most annoying bottom feeder.
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dj181 has replaced shizzo as getbig's most annoying bottom feeder.
how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?
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how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?
What do you think I train for, the free water at the fountain?
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What do you think I train for, the free water at the fountain?
have you ever posted pics here?
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have you ever posted pics here?
Yes several times, but not with the desperation and intensity you have displayed of late.
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yes, always keep training like that, the one who claims this "knows his stuff"
multi joint movement.ohbroth
He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines
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He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines
what you think about hammer strength machines?
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He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines
But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.
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But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.
multi joint movements allow a greater load to be used and that's basically why they are better
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various curl, various extension, various dumbell raise.
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how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?
Are you?
There are many factor involve in moving more weight than simply getting bigger muscles. Why do you have to stop an exercise once you stop progressing? When you go to a new movement say bench to hammer your CNS has not adapted to it and that's why you will make progression in weight but not in muscle mass. How much muscle has Dante put on in the last five years. Zero. How much muscle have you put on in the last twenty years going back to that same side shot that you've been torturing us with for years? Zero.
What sounds good in theory doesn't translate into real world results. Correlation is not causation. That is a principle you will never understand.
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But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.
As well as "time under tension" and not reps per se.
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Are you?
There are many factor involve in moving more weight than simply getting bigger muscles. Why do you have to stop an exercise once you stop progressing? When you go to a new movement say bench to hammer your CNS has not adapted to it and that's why you will make progression in weight but not in muscle mass. How much muscle has Dante put on in the last five years. Zero. How much muscle have you put on in the last twenty years going back to that same side shot that you've been torturing us with for years? Zero.
What sounds good in theory doesn't translate into real world results. Correlation is not causation. That is a principle you will never understand.
yes i am
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Just like CSWOL says.....if your not getting results...then what the fuck are you doing!
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Just like CSWOL says.....if your not getting results...then what the fuck are you doing!
lol. dude. we need to talk.
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how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?
even children can figure this out:
if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses
this.
dj is an enhanced lifter now as well.
being enhanced, its not the progressive amount of 'weight used' that creates the physique. its not rocket science. it doesnt have to be, nor is it that complicated- its the patient application of moderate doses of anabolics over time and a training methodology that applies enough resistance to the muscle being trained to force repair that will create growth.
'progressive overload' is an archaic practice. some of the best physiques i have seen rely more on isolation and chasing the pump than progressive overload.
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Lol, such bullshit
Once you pass a basic level of strength and are using aas it doesn't matter what weight you use. All that matter is stimulating the muscle
As a natural it matters even less because your doomed to always look like shit or to do a gram a week and lie about being a hard training natural, the kind of heavy weight tardrage lifting that the likes of layme norton recommend is ironically the worst thing anyone could ever do
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every movement is a multi joint movement.
show me one exercise where only onemuscle is activated.
Multi-joint, not motor unit recruitment. In a sense you are correct, but with machines your are isolating, I use the analogy that most machines on a functional scale of 1-10, most are below a 3. True strength requires greater motor unit recruiting/involvement. Strength wise, training on a machine only makes you better.....on a machine.
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Multi-joint, not motor unit recruitment. In a sense you are correct, but with machines your are isolating, I use the analogy that most machines on a functional scale of 1-10, most are below a 3. True strength requires greater motor unit recruiting/involvement. Strength wise, training on a machine only makes you better.....on a machine.
Yes yes but who gives a shit when the aims to be as big as possible using the lowest dose of anabolic s possible. Stimulate the muscle, grow, rest eat etc.
If you want to impress the high school kids in the gym (which I admit is fun sometimes) then you can squat 500 for reps but it won't make your legs bigger than high rep leg presses with moderate weight for several sets...
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multi joint movements allow a greater load to be used and that's basically why they are better
Greater load distrubuted over several muscles. If you are very strong in the shoulders and triceps it may hinder pec stimulation doing the bench press or other pressing movements for chest. Hence the preexhaust principle articulated by A. Jones.
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every movement is a multi joint movement.
show me one exercise where only onemuscle is activated.
Perhaps. If you are doing leg extensions probably every muslce in your body contract except maybe the hams and glutes but theres no question that the quads are doing the brunt of the work. With squats the glutes come heavily into play taking a lot of the load off the quads.
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Progression comes in many forms. Add weight, a rep;time under tension or shorten the amount of time it takes to do a workout. If it's just adding weight to the bar the best way to gain size we should all be doing sets of one rep to increase strength.
As someone said, how strong can you get? If you start off benching 135lbs and max out after training 7 years at 315lbs are you at your max size? Do you beat your head against the wall trying to get to 320lbs which you fail to accomplish the entire year? Time to quit lifting and find another hobby?
I have been a Hit guy since the late 70's. It took till I was in my 50's to realize that I made better progress in bodybuilding training for lack of a better term training for muscular endurance than pure strength. Yes, I will say it. Two sets is better than one set. Three sets is better than two sets. Four sets, you get my point. More sets is better but with diminishing returns.
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Yes yes but who gives a shit when the aims to be as big as possible using the lowest dose of anabolic s possible. Stimulate the muscle, grow, rest eat etc.
If you want to impress the high school kids in the gym (which I admit is fun sometimes) then you can squat 500 for reps but it won't make your legs bigger than high rep leg presses with moderate weight for several sets...
When ever you increase motor units (using free weight) YOU WILL get bigger, thicker and stronger, no if, and's or buts about it. If your goal is to do al of the things I described, limit machine work. I understand in bodybuilding some machines are a must but don't make a habit of it because it feels good or it's easier.
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If you are an athlete sitting in machines isolating it will not make you a better athlete. The body works as a whole in any athletic endeavor. If an athlete just did three base weight exercises like the power clean, squat and standing military press he would have all the fundamentals to increase strength as a whole systemic system than a guy doing machine work and lying on a bench to bench press.
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Our key to adding power and strength is establish a 1RM for each indicator lift and beat that record or beat A record by no more than 5-10lbs per week.
We haven't a client yet that hasn't benefited from this. We just had a 195lb 19 year old who started with us in Jan of 2012 and his bench was 230 and squat was barely 245. This week he got a legit 405 bench and two week a 505 squat.
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Yes yes but who gives a shit when the aims to be as big as possible using the lowest dose of anabolic s possible. Stimulate the muscle, grow, rest eat etc.
If you want to impress the high school kids in the gym (which I admit is fun sometimes) then you can squat 500 for reps but it won't make your legs bigger than high rep leg presses with moderate weight for several sets...
This.
I think where Coach loses me a lot of the time is he's training athletes to perform better in a given sport. I don't care about that or take it into consideration.i have no aspirations of being a middle linebacker...I just want muscular, separated quads and good.calves, while at the same time keep my hips and glutes from getting overdeveloped. And that's the only thing I'm training for.
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This.
I think where Coach loses me a lot of the time is he's training athletes to perform better in a given sport. I don't care about that or take it into consideration.i have no aspirations of being a middle linebacker...I just want muscular, separated quads and good.calves, while at the same time keep my hips and glutes from getting overdeveloped. And that's the only thing I'm training for.
you and dj agree on something training wise he does not like to train legs hard,dosen't want wide hips /big ass,, no homo,,,
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No One makes some great posts
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you and dj agree on something training wise he does not like to train legs hard,dosen't want wide hips /big ass,, no homo,,,
Who said i don't train my legs hard ? I do sets of 30 reps on the leg press, start at three plates per side and go up to 8.....30 reps every set. Try it and tell me i don't train legs hard.
I just dont believe in heavy squatting anymore....squatted plenty in my younger days.
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Who said i don't train my legs hard ? I do sets of 30 reps on the leg press, start at three plates per side and go up to 8.....30 reps every set. Try it and tell me i don't train legs hard.
I just dont believe in heavy squatting anymore....squatted plenty in my younger days.
squats. Jesus.
here's what do to people when I try to explain how really poor a movement the squat is.
I get them to squat right where they are standing. a squat is one of the most unnatural movements your body will ever perform in a gym. just the constant adjustments one must make constantly thru just the negative part of the rep should tell you it's a movement the body is not comfortable with.
now put 315/405/525 on your back and do it and it's supposed to be 'better'?
nevermind the compression it puts on the spine on top of the unfamiliarity with needing to move several joints in that manner.
if people would just 'listen' to their bodies, instead of doing 'what your supposed to' there's be a lot more impressive physiques walking around.
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No One makes some great posts
cheers sir! :)
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how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?
even children can figure this out:
if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
All these young clowns who think they know it all because they re on steroids.
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Perhaps. If you are doing leg extensions probably every muslce in your body contract except maybe the hams and glutes but theres no question that the quads are doing the brunt of the work. With squats the glutes come heavily into play taking a lot of the load off the quads.
unless you do your squats gayne snorton style
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this.
dj is an enhanced lifter now as well.
being enhanced, its not the progressive amount of 'weight used' that creates the physique. its not rocket science. it doesnt have to be, nor is it that complicated- its the patient application of moderate doses of anabolics over time and a training methodology that applies enough resistance to the muscle being trained to force repair that will create growth.
'progressive overload' is an archaic practice. some of the best physiques i have seen rely more on isolation and chasing the pump than progressive overload.
so are you saying that i can keep playing around with a buck 85 on the bench press and then eventually massive pecs, delts, and tris will suddenly appear ??? ??? ???
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so are you saying that i can keep playing around with a buck 85 on the bench press and then eventually massive pecs, delts, and tris will suddenly appear ??? ??? ???
nothing can 'eventually suddenly appear.' I can't even answer your question when put in this context. nobody can.
I am saying, to repeat, is that by using anabolics as you are, and by applying enough resistance thru training to cause the muscle to necessitate repair you will create an environment for growth with the consumption of an adequate amount of protein (which is secondary to the question at hand but still needs to be mentioned).
I can't make it any clearer for you.
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if you tax the muscle fully, either by using heavier weight, or by higher reps and sets, the muscle still remains taxed. period. it's 6 of one half dozen if another. actually in many cases the 'lighter' trainer will make greater gains as absolute focus on the group being trained is greater as opposed to meerly pushing the weight thru a plane of motion at all costs.
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so are you saying that i can keep playing around with a buck 85 on the bench press and then eventually massive pecs, delts, and tris will suddenly appear ??? ??? ???
It's very simple...what little muscle you do have, is a result of the Superdrol you are taking. You were flailing around for a year....making a retard of yourself on this forum. Then you hopped on some shit, and made some progress. You want more progress ? Take more drugs.
You seem to want to think you are "special" or something...you are all drugs just like any juicer.
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It's very simple...what little muscle you do have, is a result of the Superdrol you are taking. You were flailing around for a year....making a retard of yourself on this forum. Then you hopped on some shit, and made some progress. You want more progress ? Take more drugs.
You seem to want to think you are "special" or something...you are all drugs just like any juicer.
i know that you won't give a serious reply to this, but i'll give it a shot
is 10 mg of superdrol 4 or 5 days a week a good dose of roids?
i'd say that it's quite minimal
also, i was up to 20 mg per day every day last summer and i still looked like shit, but now @ 10 mg 4-5 days per week i look much better
what changed? well, i trained better and harder with better exercises ie. hammer strength machines, barbell squats, benches, and curls
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i know that you won't give a serious reply to this, but i'll give it a shot
is 10 mg of superdrol 4 or 5 days a week a good dose of roids?
i'd say that it's quite minimal
also, i was up to 20 mg per day every day last summer and i still looked like shit, but now @ 10 mg 4-5 days per week i look much better
what changed? well, i trained better and harder with better exercises ie. hammer strength machines, barbell squats, benches, and curls
Could be a lot of reasons. You could have gotten shitty drol last summer, but got a better batch now. Try 20 with your current stuff and see what happens.
Also from what i remember, you were training and eating like an asshole last year, and you have cleaned that up...that will make a huge difference.
My point is, if everything is on point..training, supps and diet...the only way to get to the next level is your drug stack.
I just posted a pic and people remarked on how much thicker and leaner I am...and I'm up 12 pounds from my last pic. You know what changed ? The drugs....period. I changed up my shit and put on 10 pounds of dry mass in two weeks. And I'm still growing.
All drugs....fuck it, it's the truth, why dance around it ?
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imo anavar > any other oral.
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Also from what i remember, you were training and eating like an asshole last year
;D ;D ;D
truth
and by the way, i'm still an asshole
imo anavar > any other oral.
have you used superdrol in order to compare it to var? and what about turnibol?
i ain't gonna take any fucking bloat compounds like dbol or a-bombs fuck that shit!
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;D ;D ;D
truth
and by the way, i'm still an asshole
have you used superdrol in order to compare it to var? and what about turnibol?
i ain't gonna take any fucking bloat compounds like dbol or a-bombs fuck that shit!
I don't talk to hear my own voice.
if I say something as blanket a statement as 'var> any other oral' it's based on experience. now, that's MY experience. others will have different opinions, others will agree.
imo turnibol is a shit compound compared to var. not even close.
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i knew djs diet was shit, but now i also know his training is shit.
and the peds he takes,the choice is very poor.
correction my training was shit
p.s. my lats, pecs, and tris are really starting to come out ;)
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i knew djs diet was shit, but now i also know his training is shit.
and the peds he takes,the choice is very poor.
one thing its always a dance around a good dj quote,u will set the record straight,he will answer good or bad,then he will hit you with another one to confuse all once again.he keeps it interesting here..
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one thing its always a dance around a good dj quote,u will set the record straight,he will answer good or bad,then he will hit you with another one to confuse all once again.he keeps it interesting here..
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"confusion will be your epitaph"
and btw, i found this today and it's a pretty good me thinks
"For this reason, reserve most of your mental energy for getting stronger. After you’ve warmed up and have begun your training session, start off with your heavy compound movements and try to set PR’s. Rest fully in between sets and psyche yourself up appropriately.
After the heavy work is done, now it’s time to have some fun. Choose some targeted movements and seek the pump and burn. Don’t work yourself up too much mentally, just bust out some medium to high rep sets with short rest periods. Don’t be overly concerned with setting PR’s during pump work. Focus on feeling the targeted muscle taking on the brunt of the work and fully fatiguing the fibers.
The majority of your mental energy should be focused on gaining strength via the big basics such as squats, deadlifts, hip thrusts, bench press, and chins. However, some of your mental energy should be focused on muscle activation and inducing metabolic stress. Becoming freakishly strong at the big basics through a variety of rep ranges might be the source of 80% of your hypertrophy gains over time. But if strength alone is your sole endeavor, you’ll likely leave 20% of room on the table for maximum muscularity. The increased satellite cell fusion, hypoxia, occlusion, and cell swelling that accompanies pump and burn type training provides the icing on the cake, and this adds up over time. Sticking to solely heavy work or solely high-rep work won’t build the optimal physique – you need the best of both styles of training if you want to reach your maximum muscular potential."
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He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines
??? ??? Bro don't tell me you still live in the past? Are you one of those that believe free weights build more muscle? hahahah beiggest myth in the history of bodybuilding.
Listen people free weights do not build more muscle then machines. They both build the same amount of muscle. Wolf, Heath, and even Ramy- the biggest pro in town uses machines.
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"confusion will be your epitaph"
and btw, i found this today and it's a pretty good me thinks
"For this reason, reserve most of your mental energy for getting stronger. After you’ve warmed up and have begun your training session, start off with your heavy compound movements and try to set PR’s. Rest fully in between sets and psyche yourself up appropriately.
After the heavy work is done, now it’s time to have some fun. Choose some targeted movements and seek the pump and burn. Don’t work yourself up too much mentally, just bust out some medium to high rep sets with short rest periods. Don’t be overly concerned with setting PR’s during pump work. Focus on feeling the targeted muscle taking on the brunt of the work and fully fatiguing the fibers.
The majority of your mental energy should be focused on gaining strength via the big basics such as squats, deadlifts, hip thrusts, bench press, and chins. However, some of your mental energy should be focused on muscle activation and inducing metabolic stress. Becoming freakishly strong at the big basics through a variety of rep ranges might be the source of 80% of your hypertrophy gains over time. But if strength alone is your sole endeavor, you’ll likely leave 20% of room on the table for maximum muscularity. The increased satellite cell fusion, hypoxia, occlusion, and cell swelling that accompanies pump and burn type training provides the icing on the cake, and this adds up over time. Sticking to solely heavy work or solely high-rep work won’t build the optimal physique – you need the best of both styles of training if you want to reach your maximum muscular potential."
that paragraph say's what should occur,,its up to one's body to produce the results,,ever here the term 'sound's good on paper'
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that paragraph say's what should occur,,its up to one's body to produce the results,,ever here the term 'sound's good on paper'
i focus on "overload" but this piece brings up the importance of "fatigue" which is also pretty important
via breakdowns, interrupted sets, hi rep sets, etc
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??? ??? Bro don't tell me you still live in the past? Are you one of those that believe free weights build more muscle? hahahah beiggest myth in the history of bodybuilding.
100% incorrect.
Listen people free weights do not build more muscle then machines. They both build the same amount of muscle. Wolf, Heath, and even Ramy- the biggest pro in town uses machines.
Get them off the gear or even 1/2 of what they usually take and see what happens. If there's one thing I don't do, is live in the past when it comes to training.
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Can you imagine if runners (distance or sprinters) trained according to what passes as science in the bodybuilding world? Every time you run you will time your self and try to break that time. If you can't do that we will allow periodization if you're to much of a pussy to try to break a record every time you run. There would be a lot of ex runners if that was the case.
Why do HIT guys think every training day is take it to death day? No wonder they eventually go to 3 exercises for one set each every 5 days. They can't take working out any more. If they ever tried volume they couldn't do it because they lack the muscular endurance.
Sure runners time them self in both intervals and various set distance runs. The point is they run according to what they can they can do that day. In the early season distance runners don't even try to run to the edge. They just get in their distance runs.
I said it before if getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all train for sets of single reps or at the most 3 reps. Getting stronger is important but getting a bigger muscle comes from training for muscular endurance. Training for muscular endurance using volume isn't easy. It's some of the most demanding workouts you can do.
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runners also have "easy days" ie. active recovery
i think easy/light days are counterproductive for bodysculpting
also runners have an LSD day, an interval day, and a tempo day and they seperate these workouts with an easy day or a day off
basically they run "hard" 3 times per week
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Can you imagine if runners (distance or sprinters) trained according to what passes as science in the bodybuilding world? Every time you run you will time your self and try to break that time. If you can't do that we will allow periodization if you're to much of a pussy to try to break a record every time you run. There would be a lot of ex runners if that was the case.
Why do HIT guys think every training day is take it to death day? No wonder they eventually go to 3 exercises for one set each every 5 days. They can't take working out any more. If they ever tried volume they couldn't do it because they lack the muscular endurance.
Sure runners time them self in both intervals and various set distance runs. The point is they run according to what they can they can do that day. In the early season distance runners don't even try to run to the edge. They just get in their distance runs.
I said it before if getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all train for sets of single reps or at the most 3 reps. Getting stronger is important but getting a bigger muscle comes from training for muscular endurance. Training for muscular endurance using volume isn't easy. It's some of the most demanding workouts you can do.
X2 ,,,,GOOD ONE OLD TIMER,,
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and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence 8)
"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.
What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.
Progression is the only thing that matters."
There is a limit to how much weight one can add. I guess that is why variety is necessary.
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100% incorrect about you not living in the past or the myth you believe in.
Look one set of free weight bench press may recruit more muscle fibers then one set of machine bench, OK I will give you that but we are not talking about that, we are talking about a full work-out here.
If one goes in there and blasts Chest for an hour hard and heavy their chest will 100% cooked, all fibers possible will be destroyed wether machines are used or barbell anyone who preaches other wise is just trying to act like it's rocket science when it is not, it is a complete joke.
One guy here said it best lift, train, eat, sleep, repeat,, done oh and juice.
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There is a limit to how much weight one can add. I guess that is why variety is necessary.
THATS WHY SUPERSETS,NEGATIVES/SLOW REP/FAST REP/1/4 REPS WITH HEAVIER WEIGHTS ONCE IN AWHILE AFTER FAILING ON FULL REPS,.SO MANY VARIABLES..KEEPS TRAINING INTERESTING.,
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100% incorrect about you not living in the past or the myth you believe in.
Look one set of free weight bench press may recruit more muscle fibers then one set of machine bench, OK I will give you that but we are not talking about that, we are talking about a full work-out here.
If one goes in there and blasts Chest for an hour hard and heavy their chest will 100% cooked, all fibers possible will be destroyed wether machines are used or barbell anyone who preaches other wise is just trying to act like it's rocket science when it is not, it is a complete joke.
One guy here said it best lift, train, eat, sleep, repeat,, done oh and juice.
Not going to get into a pissing match you but I spend in excess of $10k per year on research (at least 1-2 hrs per day), traveling to different speaking seminars, symposiums from the best strength coaches in the world, I take my business serious. The second I stop doing is the second I really do start living in the past as far as training goes. That being said, I said in BODYBUILDING or for vanities sake some machines were a necessity, especially close to a show.
During the "off-season" the concentration should be kept on free weight and compound movements. You mentioned that you "would give me bench", how about BB bent rows instead of a chest supported seated row or seated or standing military instead of a machine press, shit, I could go on.
You're definition of muscle recruitment seems to lie in the, for example using a machine bench press, in the chest muscles themselves, recruitment is stabilizing all the surrounding muscles that make that lift possible. Squat on a smith machine requires little core stabilization which takes away from the recruitment of other fibers as opposed to a regular squat where you have to stabilize using everything you have.
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THATS WHY SUPERSETS,NEGATIVES/SLOW REP/FAST REP/1/4 REPS WITH HEAVIER WEIGHTS ONCE IN AWHILE AFTER FAILING ON FULL REPS,.SO MANY VARIABLES..KEEPS TRAINING INTERESTING.,
X2 these things need to be used to shock the muscles now and then but should not be used all the time if so overtraining will occur.
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100% incorrect about you not living in the past or the myth you believe in.
Look one set of free weight bench press may recruit more muscle fibers then one set of machine bench, OK I will give you that but we are not talking about that, we are talking about a full work-out here.
If one goes in there and blasts Chest for an hour hard and heavy their chest will 100% cooked, all fibers possible will be destroyed wether machines are used or barbell anyone who preaches other wise is just trying to act like it's rocket science when it is not, it is a complete joke.
One guy here said it best lift, train, eat, sleep, repeat,, done oh and juice.
I agree , I have better results with machines than free weights.
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Not going to get into a pissing match you but I spend in excess of $10k per year on research (at least 1-2 hrs per day), traveling to different speaking seminars, symposiums from the best strength coaches in the world, I take my business serious. The second I stop doing is the second I really do start living in the past as far as training goes. That being said, I said in BODYBUILDING or for vanities sake some machines were a necessity, especially close to a show.
During the "off-season" the concentration should be kept on free weight and compound movements. You mentioned that you "would give me bench", how about BB bent rows instead of a chest supported seated row or seated or standing military instead of a machine press, shit, I could go on.
You're definition of muscle recruitment seems to lie in the, for example using a machine bench press, in the chest muscles themselves, recruitment is stabilizing all the surrounding muscles that make that lift possible. Squat on a smith machine requires little core stabilization which takes away from the recruitment of other fibers as opposed to a regular squat where you have to stabilize using everything you have.
Yes but Who gives a shit about "stabilizing muscles" I'm working QUADS. if i want to directly hit my intercostals, abdominals, serratus and spinal erectors...there are plenty of exercises i can do for them.
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one thing its always a dance around a good dj quote,u will set the record straight,he will answer good or bad,then he will hit you with another one to confuse all once again.he keeps it interesting here..
Some of us just think he is a moron, even when you try and have a serious conversation, he has to talk fucking nonsense and tell you about his tiny little muscles, and how "big" he is getting....he's a fucking clown.
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100% incorrect about you not living in the past or the myth you believe in.
Look one set of free weight bench press may recruit more muscle fibers then one set of machine bench, OK I will give you that but we are not talking about that, we are talking about a full work-out here.
If one goes in there and blasts Chest for an hour hard and heavy their chest will 100% cooked, all fibers possible will be destroyed wether machines are used or barbell anyone who preaches other wise is just trying to act like it's rocket science when it is not, it is a complete joke.
One guy here said it best lift, train, eat, sleep, repeat,, done oh and juice.
A muscle doesn't know what exercise its doing, if you stress the fibres they will respond with growth, doesnt matter if its free weights machines or cables.
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Yes but Who gives a shit about "stabilizing muscles" I'm working QUADS. if i want to directly hit my intercostals, abdominals, serratus and spinal erectors...there are plenty of exercises i can do for them.
EXACTLY..
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Yes but Who gives a shit about "stabilizing muscles" I'm working QUADS. if i want to directly hit my intercostals, abdominals, serratus and spinal erectors...there are plenty of exercises i can do for them.
You should....the more recruitment, the thicker the muscle.
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You should....the more recruitment, the thicker the muscle.
broscience?
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broscience?
No.
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No.
Yep.
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Take PED, stimulate muscles, eat well. Everything else is merely refinement. It's pretty hard to take PEDs and fuck up. I always laughed at dudes who bothered to take them and ended up still looking like shit.
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Take PED, stimulate muscles, eat well. Everything else is merely refinement. It's pretty hard to take PEDs and fuck up. I always laughed at dudes who bothered to take them and ended up still looking like shit.
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Yep.
No, sorry. To much research to back it.
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I wouldn't laugh at cswol.
I would fall over into a ball of maniacal and uncontrollable laughter. Look at that deep hue of penis purple. Holy FUCK is he ever going to die of a heart attack.
Seriously though, I will set aside a few hours of my time to devise an easy to follow, tasty and healthy dietary plan for him. I do a lot of cooking and can come up with a realistic meal plan that he could use to tack some extra years onto his lifespan. He doesn't look like he has much time left on this earth. :-X
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You should....the more recruitment, the thicker the muscle.
The more i recruit stabilizer muscles, the bigger my quads get ?
i get what you're saying, you can put a heavier load on the quads with a squat than you can with a leg press...but i don't like the trade off....a heavy load on hips, glutes, abdomen etc.
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Yes but Who gives a shit about "stabilizing muscles" I'm working QUADS. if i want to directly hit my intercostals, abdominals, serratus and spinal erectors...there are plenty of exercises i can do for them.
EXACTLY!
If recruiting stabilizing muscles was the secret than training in an unstable environment would be ideal. Like doing squats or dumbell bench on a Swiss ball. In LA when they have an earth quake they should all head to the gym
Muscle fibers contract. They contract to initiate movement, hold a position (isometrics) or control the muscle as it lenghtens (negative contraction). That's it.
When you bicep contracts under resistance it doesn't matter if that resistance comes from a machine, a curl bar or resistant bands. Difference is, that when you do a barbell curl you are recruiting your lower back, front delts and virtually every other muscle in your body which takes some of the load off the bicep. Not to mention you don't get full range resistance and only get maximum resistance when your forearms are parrallel to the floor. With a machine you take out those other muscles and isolate the bicep more. Training it more directly. Plus you get resistance throughout the entire movement as your joints move in a circular fashion and you just up and down like with free weights.
It depends what you want. If you are an athlete I think it is beneficial to do movements that force the body to coordinate all the components doing a specific movement. In bodybuilding it's primarily for looks and not functional ability.
Picking up your little niece to give her a hug is very similar to the barbell curl.
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You should....the more recruitment, the thicker the muscle.
NO. The more recruitment the more muscles are being used. How does using other muscles to help the primary muscle do a movement make it more thick? It's like having a spotter that helps you with every rep.
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Not going to get into a pissing match you but I spend in excess of $10k per year on research (at least 1-2 hrs per day), traveling to different speaking seminars, symposiums from the best strength coaches in the world, I take my business serious. The second I stop doing is the second I really do start living in the past as far as training goes. That being said, I said in BODYBUILDING or for vanities sake some machines were a necessity, especially close to a show.
During the "off-season" the concentration should be kept on free weight and compound movements. You mentioned that you "would give me bench", how about BB bent rows instead of a chest supported seated row or seated or standing military instead of a machine press, shit, I could go on.
You're definition of muscle recruitment seems to lie in the, for example using a machine bench press, in the chest muscles themselves, recruitment is stabilizing all the surrounding muscles that make that lift possible. Squat on a smith machine requires little core stabilization which takes away from the recruitment of other fibers as opposed to a regular squat where you have to stabilize using everything you have.
With all due respect you totally missed the point here. I will give you bench, hell I will give you every exercise but that was not my point.
My point is after 20 sets the muscle is so destroyed that who gives a flying fuck how it got destroyed. Using free weight does not mean the muscle was destroyed even more obviously not, 20 sets of a machine will leave no fibers left. The job is done whether free weights are used or not. Now the growth comes from food and rest. And don't say oh well free weight would have brought in more sourounding muscles, well if I want to work the sourounding muscle I will do so as well on a machine until there is no fibers left on them too.
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No One makes some great posts
One of the best dudes here (yes homo).
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
You weigh a buck fifty, you don't need to do any of that stuff.
Do fifteen to twenty moderately hard sets a body part of ten reps, then some pump work
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
''advanced training techniques'' ::) oh brother
Just work hard m0therfucker , like you are training for something , watch what you eat , rest , stop looking for magical results , consistency is the name of the game ,
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listen to che
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''advanced training techniques'' ::) oh brother
Just work hard m0therfucker , like you are training for something , watch what you eat , rest , stop looking for magical results , consistency is the name of the game ,
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Great advice! There is no magic to bodybuilding. Like you said, train, eat well, rest and be consistent about it. It helps to have good genetics too. The fact is that not everyone is going to get huge and ripped with veins popping out all over the place. Work with what you have.
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
Put it this way;
The amount of muscle someone gets from genetic attributes can be night and day
also the amount of muscle someone gets from steroids attributes is night and day
The amount of muscle someone gets from training attributes is microscopic.
Let me dumb it down for you.
Say someone with shitty genetics builds 10lb, someone with awesome genetics may have built 40lb
Say someone natural builds 10lb, someone juiced to the gills may have built 50 lb.
Say someone that has shitty training protocol but is juiced to the gills and has amazing genetics builds 40lb, someone with an amazing training protocol, awesome genetics and juiced to the gills would build 42lb. The quality training when it comes to building muscle means nothing cause all the body knows is to break down fibers and repair and a lazy person can do this just as good as Rocky Balboa.
You get it, when it comes to training to build muscle and you are juiced, resting good, eating good and have good genetics training means almost nothing
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i know that you won't give a serious reply to this, but i'll give it a shot
is 10 mg of superdrol 4 or 5 days a week a good dose of roids?
i'd say that it's quite minimal
also, i was up to 20 mg per day every day last summer and i still looked like shit, but now @ 10 mg 4-5 days per week i look much better
what changed? well, i trained better and harder with better exercises ie. hammer strength machines, barbell squats, benches, and curls
Have you tried any of Methylstenbolone clones?
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''advanced training techniques'' ::) oh brother
Just work hard m0therfucker , like you are training for something , watch what you eat , rest , stop looking for magical results , consistency is the name of the game ,
(http://mobi-wall.brothersoft.com/files/480360/s/12822222266931.jpg)
thanks brother
i love you :-* (full homo)
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70mg superdrol imo stronger then 1000mg test e/c. I would guess if one could just take 10mg superdrol without health concerns forever they would be failry impressive. Training limb lengths and so forth tell which movements are best a 2-4 good compound movements is plenty I do think keeping ones strength up is good and that's hard to do with out a few compound movements bench.incline,squat,dead,leggpress,chin,dip,row but who the hell doesn't do a couple of them movements at least so that's a given.
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70mg superdrol imo stronger then 1000mg test e/c. I would guess if one could just take 10mg superdrol without health concerns forever they would be failry impressive. Training limb lengths and so forth tell which movements are best a 2-4 good compound movements is plenty I do think keeping ones strength up is good and that's hard to do with out a few compound movements bench.incline,squat,dead,leggpress,chin,dip,row but who the hell doesn't do a couple of them movements at least so that's a given.
70mg :o :o :o
the most i ever took was 30mg for not more than 1 week
and yeah, my plan is to take 10mg most days of the week
it seems that the best method is to 1st do a heavy compound like bench, row (and work on getting as strong as you can on the compound move) and then finish off with more iso work with drop sets, and other extended set techniques
and yeah, Mentzer was wrong, his method is severe under-training
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thats what i meant 10mg a day 70mg a week is more strong then a gram of test a week generally. Im not a fan but its one of the changing drugs one can take another under rated is the old trenextreme is wasnt even methylated.
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
If that doesn't do it, it ain't getting done.
At some point, maybe 5 years (or less) of serious training and nutrition it really doesn't matter what you do you ain't going to gain any more appreciable amount of muscle. You can mess with body comp: get lean/get fat, but muscle mass won't change much. At that point it's a matter of hormones and peptides. And as long as some intensity in your training and adequate recovery how much more muscle you put on is directly related to how much hormones and peptides you take.
Talk about progression all you want, you've tried it on yourself, it just ain't happening.Just like natural muscle mass is limited so is natural progression.
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If that doesn't do it, it ain't getting done.
At some point, maybe 5 years (or less) of serious training and nutrition it really doesn't matter what you do you ain't going to gain any more appreciable amount of muscle. You can mess with body comp: get lean/get fat, but muscle mass won't change much. At that point it's a matter of hormones and peptides. And as long as some intensity in your training and adequate recovery how much more muscle you put on is directly related to how much hormones and peptides you take.
Talk about progression all you want, you've tried it on yourself, it just ain't happening.Just like natural muscle mass is limited so is natural progression.
That is not the answer dj is looking for. He's not real big on the basic truths about this game...always looking for "secrets"
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Can you imagine if runners (distance or sprinters) trained according to what passes as science in the bodybuilding world? Every time you run you will time your self and try to break that time. If you can't do that we will allow periodization if you're to much of a pussy to try to break a record every time you run. There would be a lot of ex runners if that was the case.
Why do HIT guys think every training day is take it to death day? No wonder they eventually go to 3 exercises for one set each every 5 days. They can't take working out any more. If they ever tried volume they couldn't do it because they lack the muscular endurance.
Sure runners time them self in both intervals and various set distance runs. The point is they run according to what they can they can do that day. In the early season distance runners don't even try to run to the edge. They just get in their distance runs.
I said it before if getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all train for sets of single reps or at the most 3 reps. Getting stronger is important but getting a bigger muscle comes from training for muscular endurance. Training for muscular endurance using volume isn't easy. It's some of the most demanding workouts you can do.
GREAT POST!!!!!
just another simple idea highlighting how COMPLETELY RETARDED the wonderful world of "bodybuilding advice" is
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
dj I have met diesel dudes who have spent time in prison, whether it be short stints or a good bid. And all they do is lift or do bodyweight exercises...CONSISTENTLY . No secrets. No gurus, just pushing weight. If you do that you will grow. Stop with this advanced training technique bullshucks. Just lift and run around. There is such a thing as overtraining, and it is that you are "over training" you brain trying to think of "secrets" and mysteries of the unknown advanced training movements.
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dj I have met diesel dudes who have spent time in prison, whether it be short stints or a good bid. And all they do is lift or do bodyweight exercises...CONSISTENTLY . No secrets. No gurus, just pushing weight. If you do that you will grow. Stop with this advanced training technique bullshucks. Just lift and run around. There is such a thing as overtraining, and it is that you are "over training" you brain trying to think of "secrets" and mysteries of the unknown advanced training movements.
nice parker,,,career smart,car smart,,,training savvy...
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can anybody recommend other advanced training techniques besides drop sets, pre-exhaust, post-exhaust, rest-pause, supersets, negatives, static-holds?
Dj, are you still cashing 40 foot jumpers with regularity?
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"Progressive overload" is definitely not the be-all-end-all solution to bbing but I think it's getting a little over-criticized here in everyone's haste to shit on dj181.
Progressive overload does not say "Do this workout and you will add 5 lbs or one rep to every lift every workout", obviously that is nonsense and will cease happening after a moderate timeframe at best and probably won't happen at all for an advanced / heavily sauced trainer.
The core philosophy of it is that you should try to do more weight / more reps, which is something I think a lot of lifters can benefit from, particularly if your goal is to get stronger. It doesn't promise that this will always happen every workout but that doesn't mean it's a bad concept in principal.
However if your goal is to look better then I think progressive overload is unnecessary most of the time.
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Read through the thread and I totally agree with the consistency mantra - it's one of the key elements to gain something or at least anything.
Other than that it's your genetic potential which concludes you "shaped up" version.
What's interesting is how fast gains seems to halt after a certain golden period. This was sometimes shocking when observed in folks that promised to get swell due to their frame and great muscle bellies.
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lol @ everyone who thinks that applying a certain kind of stress to enable exhaustion of a muscle group is more advantageous than other types of stress.
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lol @ everyone who thinks that applying a certain kind of stress to enable exhaustion of a muscle group is more advantageous than other types of stress.
Seems to me there is a psychological aspect to changing up your routine. Sometimes a change in exercises results in renewed interest and vigor when working out. The more you put into your workouts the more you get back from them, overtraining aside.
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DJ why do i have a funny feeling if god himself came down and reprogrammed your genetics to that of a prime 25 year old kevin levrone youd tell god to fuck off too?
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DJ why do i have a funny feeling if god himself came down and reprogrammed your genetics to that of a prime 25 year old kevin levrone youd tell god to fuck off too?
here's the thing with dj181....everything is a dick-measuring contest with him, but in a passive-aggresive way...he's constantly comparing himself, and his stats and numbers, to everyone's...to try and measure up in his mind.
That's why i don't like talking to him and shut him down, he's not really even interested in what you say, he's just seeing if he's got an "edge" on you in his warped brain.
Problem is he weighs a buck sixty. And thank god for that. If he ever found some magic elixir and got up to 200 pounds shredded...he would make Galineko seem like Ghandi. We would never hear the end of it and he would post 20 pics a day.
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why do guys think of steroids like filling air in a balloon? i mean are people that stupid they really think they can take pharmaceuticals and not change their genetics and dna to a degree? every single cycle you run, (especially with testsoterone and its esters) you are creating new satelite cells...studies have proven testsoterone creates new satellite cells.....please take a guy who trains naturally his whole life and examine the cross section of his biceps vs a guy .take three grams of testosterone for 5 years and trains too....the muscle will be completely different, even after he discontinues the drugs.
you guys who train naturally are doing yourself a huge diservice.
"take everyting you can get your hands on...anyone can get jacked all it takes is cash and balls"
dennis newman
just cause none of us will ever look quite like dennis doesnt mean that you shouldnt try...but if you dont put yourself on the same playing field as he did youve lost before you even started. You bust your ass in the gym and at the table, is it so much to ask to be fair to yourself DJ? you like zane, ok.....you dont even need hgh for that, but at the very least respect yourself enough to put yourself on the same playing field as these guys you idolize. o accept being mediocre and r move the fuck on with your life...
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and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence 8)
"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.
What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.
Progression is the only thing that matters."
So? This is common sense.
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here's the thing with dj181....everything is a dick-measuring contest with him, but in a passive-aggresive way...he's constantly comparing himself, and his stats and numbers, to everyone's...to try and measure up in his mind.
That's why i don't like talking to him and shut him down, he's not really even interested in what you say, he's just seeing if he's got an "edge" on you in his warped brain.
Problem is he weighs a buck sixty. And thank god for that. If he ever found some magic elixir and got up to 200 pounds shredded...he would make Galineko seem like Ghandi. We would never hear the end of it and he would post 20 pics a day.
Are you saying that if you beat dji'llneverweight181 in the head with a Louisville slugger he'd ask you why you used that bat instead of a Mizuno?
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"take everyting you can get your hands on...anyone can get jacked all it takes is cash and balls"
dennis newman
just cause none of us will ever look quite like dennis...
speak for yourself :D
in all seriousness tho for the most part that kind of structure and shape is god given. the anabolics supply the size.
I say for the most part because I believe it is possible to create the illusion of good structure using the proper tools, which nobody does. and it has nothing to do with anabolics.
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here's the thing with dj181....everything is a dick-measuring contest with him, but in a passive-aggresive way...he's constantly comparing himself, and his stats and numbers, to everyone's...to try and measure up in his mind.
That's why i don't like talking to him and shut him down, he's not really even interested in what you say, he's just seeing if he's got an "edge" on you in his warped brain.
Problem is he weighs a buck sixty. And thank god for that. If he ever found some magic elixir and got up to 200 pounds shredded...he would make Galineko seem like Ghandi. We would never hear the end of it and he would post 20 pics a day.
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hahahahahhaa
I'm dying over here ;D
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ha ha DJ is very small
IS THIS NEW?IF SO BETTER THAN THE THE OTHER PIC U POSTED,,U LOOK TANNED AND RIPPED HERE GOOD SHAPE FOREARM AND UP ,
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speak for yourself :D
in all seriousness tho for the most part that kind of structure and shape is god given. the anabolics supply the size.
I say for the most part because I believe it is possible to create the illusion of good structure using the proper tools, which nobody does. and it has nothing to do with anabolics.
You lost me here brother. Eat-sleep-train. The structure can not be changed. I see guys with shitty structures get spanked at the Canadas and they keep coming back year after year and they get passed by new guys with good structures. There is no magic tool that will change anything. You can neglect your strong body parts and go crazy on your weak ones but that is about it. My apologies if I took your comment out of content. :-\
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I took the pic down, no need to be a Dick...have to catch myself.
here is the first pic but not on shitty photobucket....they blur the pics I think
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WHERE DID THE GROINK PIC GO,,,,HERE AND GONE,,,NEVERMIND ..AS I WAS POSTING SCC QUOTED,,
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You lost me here brother. Eat-sleep-train. The structure can not be changed. I see guys with shitty structures get spanked at the Canadas and they keep coming back year after year and they get passed by new guys with good structures. There is no magic tool that will change anything. You can neglect your strong body parts and go crazy on your weak ones but that is about it. My apologies if I took your comment out of content. :-\
times 2? No one please elaborate on this...cant be talking about gh..
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hahahahahhaa
I'm dying over here ;D
me too
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I took the pic down, no need to be a Dick...have to catch myself.
here is the first pic but not on shitty photobucket....they blur the pics I think
Need to make the pics bigger like this....the first time i saw this photo two weeks ago it was half the size and i lost out on alot of detail and thought you had regressed, now i look at it- havent lost a thing groink...actually look a bit wider than the shot you had in your jeans as your avi around a year ago.
oh wait purple skin,, synthol delts, gut out of control and pussy whipped by his italian gf. missing anything?
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Need to make the pics bigger like this....the first time i saw this photo two weeks ago it was half the size and i lost out on alot of detail and thought you had regressed, now i look at it- havent lost a thing groink...actually look a bit wider than the shot you had in your jeans as your avi around a year ago.
oh wait purple skin,, synthol delts, gut out of control and pussy whipped by his italian gf. missing anything?
Hahahahaaaaaaa
Thanks. People will accuse you of kissing my ass....LOL. Fact is you're one of about ten people on this board who can give a compliment, or an honest assesment...without putting a "but" in there, because you feel threatened by a stranger..hahaha
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Hahahahaaaaaaa
Thanks. People will accuse you of kissing my ass....LOL. Fact is you're one of about ten people on this board who can give a compliment, or an honest assesment...without putting a "but" in there, because you feel threatened by a stranger..hahaha
ya he don't beat around the bush. he's come a long way since he first started posting here. developing his character as it were. good on him!
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What's interesting is how fast gains seems to halt after a certain golden period. This was sometimes shocking when observed in folks that promised to get swell due to their frame and great muscle bellies.
There's a huge "neural" component to strength that gets overlooked a lot in BBing crowds. This is why you see newbies and teenagers gaining strength so quickly from week to week, they are not really building a lot of new muscle but are just learning how to "control" the weight better, more fully activating their existing muscles, etc.
This is probably also true to some extent for a more advanced physique-athlete who changes their routine and does new/unfamiliar exercises.
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You lost me here brother. Eat-sleep-train. The structure can not be changed. I see guys with shitty structures get spanked at the Canadas and they keep coming back year after year and they get passed by new guys with good structures. There is no magic tool that will change anything. You can neglect your strong body parts and go crazy on your weak ones but that is about it. My apologies if I took your comment out of content. :-\
times 2? No one please elaborate on this...cant be talking about gh..
you can't change your structure or everyone thinks you can't. right? I'll talk to you two guys cause you'll see the value in what I'm laying down here.
i used to believe you get what you got dealt in life. cant change that right? lately ive found this to be a falsehood.
what contributes to ones structure, or 'flow'? the symmetrical size and balance of the muscle groups on the body. some guys w really shitty frames this will not apply to. I'm talking someone with a very average x frame.
what if you could train those groups that bring out the illusion of structure 3-4 times more than normal without overtraining? that would be growth in those areas that would contribute to the illusion. in my case the delts being rounder and fuller, the arms bigger, the waist line smaller, the chest denser.
if you train your whole body equally what will you look like? if your a white guy prolly pretty blocky. what if you did things that allowed you to grow those areas that allow to change your structure.
oh I know. all the GB fucking experts (of which there are a ton who dont look the part not surprisingly) will now chime in and say oh ya like that's big news blah blah blah. but yet oddly enough none of them have ever done it. if they knew all this before they would have adapted the principles and created the ultimate physique. but they are too busy sitting on an online forum telling everyone 'oh that's not new' or 'oh ya like we didn't know that' ::)
funny for all the knowledge these guys have none look the part.
I back my shit up. flame on kids. tell me how it's just not possible or how oh ya everyone knows that. :D
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no one looks great in that pic
pity there isnt some sort of written set of instructions that i could procure to emulate that look ???
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no one looks great in that pic
pity there isnt some sort of written set of instructions that i could procure to emulate that look ???
thanks took this the 2nd day after the big carb meal, where glycogen leaves the muscle and all water goes subq. the worse you'll look during the 5 day cycle. i dont take pics when i look my best i take them when i look my worst. it makes for a better benchmark for progression.
funny you should mention that 'instruction booklet' bigmc.
we got a little book coming out :D, where amongst other things, i go over this very thing in detail. how to change your structure, and why its possible.
oh, and that'll be $20 please :D
in all seriousness bro. this book is the real deal.
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ya he don't beat around the bush. he's come a long way since he first started posting here. developing his character as it were. good on him!
Agree 100%
He still needs finishing school ;D but Flint is one of the real guys around here IMO and i take his opinion on BBing, and things in general.. seriously.
To me there are three classes of people on Getbig, as far as bodybuilding goes, talking shit is a whole nother animal.
The guys with blue stars...respect
The guys who have posted pics, and are serious trainers...don't have to look "sick" either...just be real .....respect
And the great unwashed anonymous posters...I'll read What they write about politics, life, cars etc..it's all good, but when it comes to critiquing people's physiques...i don't care if you have 20,000 posts, your opinion is like helium to me.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484080.0;attach=524933;image)
So after all this time , thats you?
Fuck me what a let down, I was expecting an Andreas Muntzer clone.
Dont get me wrong you look great but I expected more.
Maybe you oversold yourself a bit.
Do you really think you look so much better there than my old contest photo?
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Agree 100%
He still needs finishing school ;D but Flint is one of the real guys around here IMO and i take his opinion on BBing, and things in general.. seriously.
To me there are three classes of people on Getbig, as far as bodybuilding goes, talking shit is a whole nother animal.
The guys with blue stars...respect
The guys who have posted pics, and are serious trainers...don't have to look "sick" either...just be real .....respect
And the great unwashed anonymous posters...I'll read What they write about politics, life, cars etc..it's all good, but when it comes to critiquing people's physiques...i don't care if you have 20,000 posts, your opinion is like helium to me.
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you can't change your structure or everyone thinks you can't. right? I'll talk to you two guys cause you'll see the value in what I'm laying down here.
i used to believe you get what you got dealt in life. cant change that right? lately ive found this to be a falsehood.
what contributes to ones structure, or 'flow'? the symmetrical size and balance of the muscle groups on the body. some guys w really shitty frames this will not apply to. I'm talking someone with a very average x frame.
what if you could train those groups that bring out the illusion of structure 3-4 times more than normal without overtraining? that would be growth in those areas that would contribute to the illusion. in my case the delts being rounder and fuller, the arms bigger, the waist line smaller, the chest denser.
if you train your whole body equally what will you look like? if your a white guy prolly pretty blocky. what if you did things that allowed you to grow those areas that allow to change your structure.
oh I know. all the GB fucking experts (of which there are a ton who dont look the part not surprisingly) will now chime in and say oh ya like that's big news blah blah blah. but yet oddly enough none of them have ever done it. if they knew all this before they would have adapted the principles and created the ultimate physique. but they are too busy sitting on an online forum telling everyone 'oh that's not new' or 'oh ya like we didn't know that' ::)
funny for all the knowledge these guys have none look the part.
I back my shit up. flame on kids. tell me how it's just not possible or how oh ya everyone knows that. :D
GOOD PIC NO ONE,,
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So after all this time , thats you?
Fuck me what a let down, I was expecting an Andreas Muntzer clone.
Maybe you oversold yourself a bit.
Do you really think you look so much better there than my old contest photo?
let me break it down for you sparky, cause you seem a little slow. im about 30 pounds heavier than your best. bigger, denser. more full and more round. nicer lines, better symmetry. respectable, not laughable. i am your genetic superior in every way sunshine. i walk around leaner than this hun. this is my bad water day. glycogen depleted and water logged. i didnt take a shit ton of lasix for this pic like you did for your bikini show.
and im not even close to done yet. ive got lots of gas in the tank, sweetie.
im going to run this for weeks yet. im going to create a 70's symmetrical physique, with the size roundness and fullness of today. while all you can do is just wish you could.
go back to sitting on the sidelines wishing you were something your never going to be- me.
get off my nuts, bitch.
lol
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you can't change your structure or everyone thinks you can't. right? I'll talk to you two guys cause you'll see the value in what I'm laying down here.
i used to believe you get what you got dealt in life. cant change that right? lately ive found this to be a falsehood.
what contributes to ones structure, or 'flow'? the symmetrical size and balance of the muscle groups on the body. some guys w really shitty frames this will not apply to. I'm talking someone with a very average x frame.
what if you could train those groups that bring out the illusion of structure 3-4 times more than normal without overtraining? that would be growth in those areas that would contribute to the illusion. in my case the delts being rounder and fuller, the arms bigger, the waist line smaller, the chest denser.
if you train your whole body equally what will you look like? if your a white guy prolly pretty blocky. what if you did things that allowed you to grow those areas that allow to change your structure.
oh I know. all the GB fucking experts (of which there are a ton who dont look the part not surprisingly) will now chime in and say oh ya like that's big news blah blah blah. but yet oddly enough none of them have ever done it. if they knew all this before they would have adapted the principles and created the ultimate physique. but they are too busy sitting on an online forum telling everyone 'oh that's not new' or 'oh ya like we didn't know that' ::)
funny for all the knowledge these guys have none look the part.
I back my shit up. flame on kids. tell me how it's just not possible or how oh ya everyone knows that. :D
Ok so basically your saying what I said in my post. Do not train your strong points work 3 times as hard on your weak ones and it will give the appearance of a better structure. True.
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im about 40 pounds heavier. bigger, denser. more full and more round. i am your genetic superior in every way sunshine. i walk around leaner than this hun. this is my bad water day. glycogen depleted and water logged. i didnt take a shit ton of lasix for this pic like you did for your bikini show.
and im not even close to done yet. im going to run this for weeks yet. im going to create a 70's symmetrical physique, with the size roundness and fullness of today. while all you can do is just wish you could.
go back to sitting on the sidelines wishing you were something your never going to be- me.
get off my nuts, bitch.
lol
40llbs heavier?
You are 4 inches taller, have you forgotten to take that into the equation?
Yes, my show photo was my bad day as well, I normally walk around shredded at 250lbs ::)
And again for the record i have never taken a diuretic in my life.(three times now)
I cant wait for the photos
Do you have a date in mind?
I will diet as well and we can compare.
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Ok so basically your saying what I said in my post. Do not train your strong points work 3 times as hard on your weak ones and it will give the appearance of a better structure. True.
do it without over training, all the while hitting each group 3 times a week. then get back to me.
thats the secret bro, hitting it that often, without the lag, and keeping recovery thru the roof. wont help you much if you can only hit those groups a few times a month more than the rest. now triple that frequency.
thats the growth. but then again everyone knows how to do that. thats why everyone looks so amazing. ::)
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Agree 100%
He still needs finishing school ;D but Flint is one of the real guys around here IMO and i take his opinion on BBing, and things in general.. seriously.
To me there are three classes of people on Getbig, as far as bodybuilding goes, talking shit is a whole nother animal.
The guys with blue stars...respect
The guys who have posted pics, and are serious trainers...don't have to look "sick" either...just be real .....respect
And the great unwashed anonymous posters...I'll read What they write about politics, life, cars etc..it's all good, but when it comes to critiquing people's physiques...i don't care if you have 20,000 posts, your opinion is like helium to me.
its always the little bitches that wont post pics that make me laugh as they give other people shit
classic excuses
1) i dont want my work to know i post on get big
2) why would i post a pic i dont give a fuck what anyone thinks
3) if i posted a pic no one would believe it was me
all the above translate to i look like a bag of shit and abuse people on here because it makes me feel better about my own inadequacies
flint is a proper get bigger - full stop
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and we can compare.
are you on drugs?
you need so badly to better yourself in your own mind you think your going to latch yourself to the mighty no one for a free ride?
you'll forgive me if i dont feel flattered or that i dont jump to the 'challenge'. lol
fuck im doing this to better myself, not compare myself to some 48 year old never was whos best day was a measly 200 pounds 20 years ago.
beat it sparky. there are men talking here.
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let me break it down for you sparky, cause you seem a little slow. im about 30 pounds heavier than your best. bigger, denser. more full and more round. nicer lines, better symmetry. respectable, not laughable. i am your genetic superior in every way sunshine. i walk around leaner than this hun. this is my bad water day. glycogen depleted and water logged. i didnt take a shit ton of lasix for this pic like you did for your bikini show.
and im not even close to done yet. ive got lots of gas in the tank, sweetie.
im going to run this for weeks yet. im going to create a 70's symmetrical physique, with the size roundness and fullness of today. while all you can do is just wish you could.
go back to sitting on the sidelines wishing you were something your never going to be- me.
get off my nuts, bitch.
lol
Hey, you have lost 10lbs in one post?
That diet must be fantastic
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are you on drugs?
you need so badly to better yourself in your own mind you think your going to latch yourself to the mighty no one for a free ride?
you'll forgive me if i dont feel flattered or that i dont jump to the 'challenge'. lol
fuck im doing this to better myself, not compare myself to some 48 year old never was whos best day was a measly 200 pounds 20 years ago.
beat it sparky. there are men talking here.
hahahaha.....really, you are backing out?
Its not a video of you deadlifting Im after its just for you to set a date when you are going to be in shape.
Come on mate, you really need to do this.
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Agree 100%
He still needs finishing school ;D but Flint is one of the real guys around here IMO and i take his opinion on BBing, and things in general.. seriously.
To me there are three classes of people on Getbig, as far as bodybuilding goes, talking shit is a whole nother animal.
The guys with blue stars...respect
The guys who have posted pics, and are serious trainers...don't have to look "sick" either...just be real .....respect
And the great unwashed anonymous posters...I'll read What they write about politics, life, cars etc..it's all good, but when it comes to critiquing people's physiques...i don't care if you have 20,000 posts, your opinion is like helium to me.
X2, very true words here
PS: No One looks insane!!! Always liked him as a poster, but I'm even more impressed with this guys physique.
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Hey, you have lost 10lbs in one post?
That diet must be fantastic
I can. I am king getbigger of dieting. Not one person here can do it better and faster and will put 5 grand on the line. I am fat right now 245 lb and can be 200 striated every where in 30 days, nobody can do it faster. In fact I can lose 10 lb in 4 hours.
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Hey, you have lost 10lbs in one post?
That diet must be fantastic
that my thing. always tell the truth. I forgot I was 235 today. instead if exaggerating my weight I down played it and thus made the correction.
thanks for highlighting my integrity for he rest of the board, bone rack.
in your impatience to make someone look a liar you actually cemented his credibility even further.
nice work- keep going. dont stop now.
am I the only guy on this board who sees how much of a desperate tool you are? lol
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I can. I am king getbigger of dieting. Not one person here can do it better and faster and will put 5 grand on the line. I am fat right now 245 lb and can be 200 striated every where in 30 days, nobody can do it faster. In fact I can lose 10 lb in 4 hours.
oth laying down the gospel in this thread 8)
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I can. I am king getbigger of dieting. Not one person here can do it better and faster and will put 5 grand on the line. I am fat right now 245 lb and can be 200 striated every where in 30 days, nobody can do it faster. In fact I can lose 10 lb in 4 hours.
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uk what place were you in that contest shot,,
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uk what place were you in that contest shot,,
Ha..is someone fishing for contest dates to try and Id me? ;)
I did two shows that prep, I place 1st in my height class and then two weeks later I place 3rd in a weight class with different organisations.
that my thing. always tell the truth. I forgot I was 235 today. instead if exaggerating my weight I down played it and thus made the correction.
thanks for highlighting my integrity for he rest of the board, bone rack.
in your impatience to make someone look a liar you actually cemented his credibility even further.
nice work- keep going. dont stop now.
am I the only guy on this board who sees how much of a desperate tool you are? lol
So as Im around 225 at the moment that makes you 10lbs heavier than me.
Really, 4 inches taller and only 10lbs heavier, if we stood side by side you would be "SHUT DOWN" (copyright CSWOL)
Not really up for challenges are you, I notice you made a challenge in the other thread and then backed out, lessons learned hey? ;)
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Ha..is someone fishing for contest dates to try and Id me? ;)
I did two shows that prep, I place 1st in my height class and then two weeks later I place 3rd in a weight class with different organisations.So as Im around 225 at the moment that makes you 10lbs heavier than me.
Really, 4 inches taller and only 10lbs heavier, if we stood side by side you would be "SHUT DOWN" (copyright CSWOL)
Not really up for challenges are you, I notice you made a challenge in the other thread and then backed out, lessons learned hey? ;)
no one looks better than you at the moment
not saying you couldnt pass him
but if you posted your standing relaxed next to his he blows you away
he is leaner and bigger
if you got in the shape you were in during your contests then it would be a toss up
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Ha..is someone fishing for contest dates to try and Id me? ;)
I did two shows that prep, I place 1st in my height class and then two weeks later I place 3rd in a weight class with different organisations.So as Im around 225 at the moment that makes you 10lbs heavier than me.
Really, 4 inches taller and only 10lbs heavier, if we stood side by side you would be "SHUT DOWN" (copyright CSWOL)
Not really up for challenges are you, I notice you made a challenge in the other thread and then backed out, lessons learned hey? ;)
you are NOT 225lbs at 5'10...not a chance in hell. no way no how...225 at 5'10 lean is one jacked ass guy. you and quite a few other people seem to have this 20 pounds barrier....thinking there 20 pounds heavier than so......a 200lb 5'10 dude at 6% bf even with 17.5-18 inch seperated arms will look extremely impressive to the naked eye in real life and there is not one bit of mistaking him in real life for anything for him being anything other than a bodybuilder
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jeff im not trying to be a dick but you need to realize that alot of us who do post and dont think to edit about the shit we post say stuff that comes to mind base on looking at pictures two seconds...ive been half asleep this whole morning every post i make during the morning is always blunt...so i apologize. there was nothing about your physique that would wants to make anyone think jacked,,hard,bodybuilder, etc....
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Ha..is someone fishing for contest dates to try and Id me? ;)
I did two shows that prep, I place 1st in my height class and then two weeks later I place 3rd in a weight class with different organisations.So as Im around 225 at the moment that makes you 10lbs heavier than me.
Really, 4 inches taller and only 10lbs heavier, if we stood side by side you would be "SHUT DOWN" (copyright CSWOL)
Not really up for challenges are you, I notice you made a challenge in the other thread and then backed out, lessons learned hey? ;)
ID U NO,,UR UKJEFF THATS ALL U ARE TO ME,,,JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE U PLACE IN THAT PIC,I SAID U LOOK GOOD THERE,NOTHING
MORE NEEDED,,
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Sorry was busy...No One looks fucking GREAT. Good lines, tight waist and thick....good work man.
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you can't change your structure or everyone thinks you can't. right? I'll talk to you two guys cause you'll see the value in what I'm laying down here.
i used to believe you get what you got dealt in life. cant change that right? lately ive found this to be a falsehood.
what contributes to ones structure, or 'flow'? the symmetrical size and balance of the muscle groups on the body. some guys w really shitty frames this will not apply to. I'm talking someone with a very average x frame.
what if you could train those groups that bring out the illusion of structure 3-4 times more than normal without overtraining? that would be growth in those areas that would contribute to the illusion. in my case the delts being rounder and fuller, the arms bigger, the waist line smaller, the chest denser.
if you train your whole body equally what will you look like? if your a white guy prolly pretty blocky. what if you did things that allowed you to grow those areas that allow to change your structure.
oh I know. all the GB fucking experts (of which there are a ton who dont look the part not surprisingly) will now chime in and say oh ya like that's big news blah blah blah. but yet oddly enough none of them have ever done it. if they knew all this before they would have adapted the principles and created the ultimate physique. but they are too busy sitting on an online forum telling everyone 'oh that's not new' or 'oh ya like we didn't know that' ::)
funny for all the knowledge these guys have none look the part.
I back my shit up. flame on kids. tell me how it's just not possible or how oh ya everyone knows that. :D
You look very good in the photo. Too bad it is blurry. Question, how old are you?
I wouldn't be the least bit unhappy if I had a physique like yours, but then at 68 years of age, that's probably just a fantasy now.
Obviously, your diet and exercise regime is paying off for you. However, I don't believe there is any one plan that works for everyone. There are always variables.
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Do not want to get involved but fuck it, I will. OK Ujeff has one hell of a physique and looked outstanding in his prime.
No one is a beast with small joints and very awesome shape to his muscle.
Common sense is the leaner guy always looks better physique wise, even a national level competitor will look better in contest shape then an off season Phil Heath, so obviously no one takes this hands down....
however this is not a fair comparison to jeff cause he is not currently shredded so I have a solution, jeff get shredded beyond belief one more time and let me be the head judge and we will make an artificial panel of getbig judges that are not biased
and My integrity has been proven, I tell it how it is and do not pick sides, I tell my own girl she is fat and I admit that when my balls are itchy I pinch my nut sack and twist to relieve the itch, how is that for keeping real.
Deadline late sept, common on guys it will be an epic 250 page thread and you guys know it. One for the books. ;)
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you are NOT 225lbs at 5'10...not a chance in hell. no way no how...225 at 5'10 lean is one jacked ass guy. you and quite a few other people seem to have this 20 pounds barrier....thinking there 20 pounds heavier than so......a 200lb 5'10 dude at 6% bf even with 17.5-18 inch seperated arms will look extremely impressive to the naked eye in real life and there is not one bit of mistaking him in real life for anything for him being anything other than a bodybuilder
I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
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Do not want to get involved but fuck it, I will. OK Ujeff has one hell of a physique and looked outstanding in his prime.
No one is a beast with small joints and very awesome shape to his muscle.
Common sense is the leaner guy always looks better physique wise, even a national level competitor will look better in contest shape then an off season Phil Heath, so obviously no one takes this hands down....
however this is not a fair comparison to jeff cause he is not currently shredded so I have a solution, jeff get shredded beyond belief one more time and let me be the head judge and we will make an artificial panel of getbig judges that are not biased
and My integrity has been proven, I tell it how it is and do not pick sides, I tell my own girl she is fat and I admit that when my balls are itchy I pinch my nut sack and twist to relieve the itch, how is that for keeping real.
Deadline late sept, common on guys it will be an epic 250 page thread and you guys know it. One for the books. ;)
Im up for it, no ones protein only diet against my eat what I like diet.
Let the chips fall where they may
Oh and yes, I will be eating chips ;D
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
fuck, you are leaner then I thought, wow good job bro. OK so your in, letès see if no one will, if he does not go for it, no big deal, he has his reasons, he is still a beast with a great physique.
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
fair enough.
no i still dont think your 225 but i will take your word, still you need to chill out dude. Its just a book
go outside its a beautiful day 8)
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
Nice balanced build right there!
No one looks great too and groink is a beast.
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fuck, you are leaner then I thought, wow good job bro. OK so your in, letès see if no one will, if he does not go for it, no big deal, he has his reasons, he is still a beast with a great physique.
Thanks for the compliment.
Its up to him if he does it, I was going to diet for a holiday in September anyway, I wouldn't have taken it to low but if he's up for it them its full throttle.
Lets see if he can hang with an old man. ;)
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Top notch jerk off material, keep going ;)
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fair enough.
no i still dont think your 225 but i will take your word, still you need to chill out dude. Its just a book
go outside its a beautiful day 8)
Well if my scales are wrong then you might be right.
I can only tell you what the scales say, I will weigh myself on another set tomorrow and report back.
I am not lying, I can do the old photo of the scales if you like but you would probably say I had my dog on my shoulders. ;D
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Well if my scales are wrong then you might be right.
I can only tell you what the scales say, I will weigh myself on another set tomorrow and report back.
I am not lying, I can do the old photo of the scales if you like but you would probably say I had my dog on my shoulders. ;D
Your stats are very believable. Similar to my own at your conditioning. You look great man.
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Your stats are very believable. Similar to my own at your conditioning. You look great man.
thanks, did I mention I am 48? ;D
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fair enough.
no i still dont think your 225 but i will take your word, still you need to chill out dude. Its just a book
go outside its a beautiful day 8)
I could believe it cause the body is mysterious and weight in a pic can be anything, we are not seeing him in 3 dimensions so hard to tell really and impossible to know based on pic. If I were to guess giving his height I would guess around 213-216 but that is not that far off so he can very well be 225, who knows.
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I could believe it cause the body is mysterious and weight in a pic can be anything, we are not seeing him in 3 dimensions so hard to tell really and impossible to know based on pic. If I were to guess giving his height I would guess around 213-216 but that is not that far off so he can very well be 225, who knows.
I have a large head. ;D
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Nice balanced build right there!
No one looks great too and groink is a beast.
well jeff first off i did not realize you were 48. my post wasn't directed at you im just saying stats mean fuck all......you can take 10 220 guys at 6% bf at the same height, and line them up in a room....one will look like a freak and the others will be nothing special. that was the point i was trying to make...
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well jeff first off i did not realize you were 48. my post wasn't directed at you im just saying stats mean fuck all......you can take 10 220 guys at 6% bf at the same height, and line them up in a room....one will look like a freak and the others will be nothing special. that was the point i was trying to make...
No offence taken I know what you mean with stats
I have seen guys onstage in the heavyweights and light heavy guys bury them.
Its all an illusion onstage.
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well jeff first off i did not realize you were 48. my post wasn't directed at you im just saying stats mean fuck all......you can take 10 220 guys at 6% bf at the same height, and line them up in a room....one will look like a freak and the others will be nothing special. that was the point i was trying to make...
very good point sir 8)
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gotta figure I'm pretty deep in someone's head when they run out into the garden, pull their shorts up the crack of their ass, and ask their wife to snap off a quick couple pics so he can challenge someone to an Internet bobdybuilding contest? like really? Is this what the cumulation of 48 years of your life as ammounted to? Jesus Christ.
listen to me you fucking putz lol I have absolutely NO INTEREST in 'competing' with some fat old garden gnome who reeks of desperation and insecurity. none. zero. nada. it's bettering myself that drives me. not being better than you or anyone else. cause there's always somebody, somewhere, better than you. always. just like in this example of you and me.
unlike you, I dont this for attention, validation, to be 'noticed' or any other number of reasons that motivates you. you should adopt that attitude. you wouldn't look like such a dumpy bag of shit. I cannot believe you can even think you can compare to me on any level. and I'm supposed to devalue myself and 'compete' with you? lol bitch please.
that being said I do wish you well on your endeavour to lose weight and get into shape. should you want to better your previous condition I urge you to contact gal or I for training. we'll help rid you of the inefficiencies of your diet that's prevented you from achieving your best. and if that was your best, then definitely need our help more than you know.
cheers.
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gotta figure I'm pretty deep in someone's head when they run out into the garden, pull their shorts up the crack of their ass, and ask their wife to snap off a quick couple pics so he can challenge someone to an Internet bobdybuilding contest? like really? Is this what the cumulation of 48 years of your life as ammounted to? Jesus Christ.
listen to me you fucking putz lol I have absolutely NO INTEREST in 'competing' with some fat old garden gnome who reeks of desperation and insecurity. none. zero. nada. it's bettering myself that drives me. not being better than you or anyone else. cause there's always somebody, somewhere, better than you. always. just like in this example of you and me.
unlike you, I dont this for attention, validation, to be 'noticed' or any other number of reasons that motivates you. you should adopt that attitude. you wouldn't look like such a dumpy bag of shit. I cannot believe you can even think you can compare to me on any level. and I'm supposed to devalue myself and 'compete' with you? lol bitch please.
that being said I do wish you well on your endeavour to lose weight and get into shape. should you want to better your previous condition I urge you to contact gal or I for training. we'll help rid you of the inefficiencies of your diet that's prevented you from achieving your best. and if that was your best, then definitely need our help more than you know.
cheers.
Once more, for the record "meltdown"
Your reluctance to take part is noted, seems an 'old garden gnome' has stopped the high and mighty 'no one' in his tracks.
You can bluff and bluster all you like mate, you keep dancing to your own tune, pretty soon people will get sick of it. ;)
Im sure there wont be many here to say it openly on the forum but they will all think it.
Thats twice now you have backed out of challenges.
And as i said earlier, after your boasting about how great you look you then post a pic and although good, is far, far less that the build up it received.
I think you have a touch of narcissistic personality disorder about you.
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listen to me you fucking putz lol I have absolutely NO INTEREST in 'competing' with some fat old garden gnome who reeks of desperation and insecurity. none. zero. nada. it's bettering myself that drives me. not being better than you or anyone else. cause there's always somebody, somewhere, better than you. always. just like in this example of you and me.
But you are dieting and getting in shape anyway aren't you?
Why not just tell me when you plan on being at your best and i will try and dial in as well?
It doesn't have to be a competition or anything, just let me know your plans and I will fit in around your schedule, cant say fairer than that can I?
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Impressive build no one.
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No one, I think you are judging the situation to harshly, the back and forth between you guys has not been one way only with Jeff doing so. It has been a 2 way streak and do not take this the wrong way as I have more respect for you then Jeff but when you say you are better then someone it is a form of a challenge on your behalf and I have to keep it real and say an in shape Jeff may not be far off from an in shape no one as you make it out to be.
Just saying not wishing to start anything here but if anyone is going to claim to be in a better league then anyone else that is no different then issuing a challenge and this is coming from someone (myself) who has called UKJeff every name in the book and has beefed him harder then anyone else and for longer as well.
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No one, I think you are judging the situation to harshly, the back and forth between you guys has not been one way only with Jeff doing so. It has been a 2 way streak and do not take this the wrong way as I have more respect for you then Jeff but when you say you are better then someone it is a form of a challenge on your behalf and I have to keep it real and say an in shape Jeff may not be far off from an in shape no one as you make it out to be.
Just saying not wishing to start anything here but if anyone is going to claim to be in a better league then anyone else that is no different then issuing a challenge and this is coming from someone (myself) who has called UKJeff every name in the book and has beefed him harder then anyone else and for longer as well.
no no bro. I get your point. 100%.
you see mine? I don't do this for any challenge other than bettering myself. I've gotten out of bed at 2am to train arms cause I couldn't sleep. I've gone upwards of 5 workouts in 3 days on 2 meals and 3 of those sessions were fasted. I do all this cause I drive myself to be better. not better than some fat lonely troll who lives to be better than me in a world that doesn't exist to me 23 hours of the day.
the DAY I feel the need to do any of those things I do for myself, or relate them in any way shape or form to doing them to prove myself to anyone is the day I turn in my gym card and never touch another weight in my life.
and that's why I look the way I do, and he looks the way he does. he should concern himself more with the mental reasons why he feels so inadequate and work on repairing those instead of seeking validation in being better than ''no one' from the Internet'
I couldn't even imagine, and I'm being 100% sincere, being like him and needing to do the things he does for the reasons he does. and thank god for that.
cheers my friend. :)
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here's what I don't understand...
why can't he just get into shape for himself and if he looks better greater leaner if God himself crawls out of his asshole when he's done then good for him?
why does he need to compare himself to or challenge me, or anyone for that matter? cause 'no one from the Internet''s words affect him so much?
is it that easy? I'm going to dictate what he does and why?
lol someone needs to grow a spine. what a fucking loser.
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thanks, did I mention I am 48? ;D
And you have the nerve to call yourself and "old man"? I am 68 about to be 69 in August, now that's an old man! ;D
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No one, I think you are judging the situation to harshly, the back and forth between you guys has not been one way only with Jeff doing so. It has been a 2 way streak and do not take this the wrong way as I have more respect for you then Jeff but when you say you are better then someone it is a form of a challenge on your behalf and I have to keep it real and say an in shape Jeff may not be far off from an in shape no one as you make it out to be.
Just saying not wishing to start anything here but if anyone is going to claim to be in a better league then anyone else that is no different then issuing a challenge and this is coming from someone (myself) who has called UKJeff every name in the book and has beefed him harder then anyone else and for longer as well.
Great post
Thats just it, no one has gone on the record here saying he beats me by a country mile and Im not in his league when in reality if I got in my 100% best then we are not that far apart, sure he's probably better than me I admit that (age being a factor also)and would likely win a photo shot comp, however for him to claim to be so much better is a little insulting and dare I say deluded.
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no no bro. I get your point. 100%.
you see mine? I don't do this for any challenge other than bettering myself. I've gotten out of bed at 2am to train arms cause I couldn't sleep. I've gone upwards of 5 workouts in 3 days on 2 meals and 3 of those sessions were fasted. I do all this cause I drive myself to be better. not better than some fat lonely troll who lives to be better than me in a world that doesn't exist to me 23 hours of the day.
the DAY I feel the need to do any of those things I do for myself, or relate them in any way shape or form to doing them to prove myself to anyone is the day I turn in my gym card and never touch another weight in my life.
and that's why I look the way I do, and he looks the way he does. he should concern himself more with the mental reasons why he feels so inadequate and work on repairing those instead of seeking validation in being better than ''no one' from the Internet'
I couldn't even imagine, and I'm being 100% sincere, being like him and needing to do the things he does for the reasons he does. and thank god for that.
cheers my friend. :)
"Couldn't imagine being like him"?
Jeez, getting out of bed to train arms, 5 workouts in three days on two meals, fucking hell hahahah
I just go training when I feel like it, spend around 30 minutes in the gym, skip workouts if I feel like it and eat pretty much eat what I like year round
It must be great to be you, all that effort and time to look 10% better than me, a 48 year old "garden gnome"
As for validation, I certainly don't want or need it from you, even if we did the challenge and people said I looked better, you certainly wouldn't accept or believe that, the fact you criticised my contest photo as harshly as you did shows a total lack of the ability to validate someone you have issues with, you sound like a spoilt child, people here have seen my photo and even though they have issues with me on the forum can see that I achieved a decent standard and for you to dismiss that entirely just shows how petty and vindictive you are.
Maybe you are not the genetic freak you make out to be, you really do have to put the work in to look like you.
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here's what I don't understand...
why can't he just get into shape for himself and if he looks better greater leaner if God himself crawls out of his asshole when he's done then good for him?
why does he need to compare himself to or challenge me, or anyone for that matter? cause 'no one from the Internet''s words affect him so much?
is it that easy? I'm going to dictate what he does and why?
lol someone needs to grow a spine. what a fucking loser.
Why do I need to challenge you?
To shut you the fuck up thats why, all you have done in the last couple of weeks is tell everyone how fucking fantastic you are, now when the chips are down you dont have the bollocks for it.
Quietened by a 48 year old washed up has-been.
lol someone needs to grow a spine. what a fucking loser
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Hahahahaha....yeah right mate, you keep telling yourself that whilst nursing your shattered fragile ego.
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anyone got any other pics of ukjeff? from what I can see no one has about 10lbs of lean tissue on you, just going by the upper body alone. 10 pounds of lean tissue on a better structure will look like 25lbs....His arms destroy yours too...your arms are very weak jeff, no way they are 18.5 inches ::)
17.5 pumped ...MAYBE
shots a bit too far away to judge, any more pics?
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"Couldn't imagine being like him"?
Jeez, getting out of bed to train arms, 5 workouts in three days on two meals, fucking hell hahahah
I just go training when I feel like it, spend around 30 minutes in the gym, skip workouts if I feel like it and eat pretty much eat what I like year round
It must be great to be you, all that effort and time to look 10% better than me, a 48 year old "garden gnome"
Maybe you are not the genetic freak you make out to be, you really do have to put the work in to look like you.
For the average Joe or more accurately for most of us, we have lives that aren't consumed with looking great for....not sure what. Speaking for myself. I enjoy being as fit as possible given my age and the other commitments in my life. To me fitness equates to being healthy and for a dude as old as I am that's a big fucking deal. I try to hit the gym 6 days a week. Sometimes that works and sometimes not. I try to eat as healthy and clean as possible while not letting my diet turn me into a albatross who cannot enjoy a meal with friends without worrying whether it meshes with my diet regime.
I agree to be on top of this game, you have to be all in. For most of us, that is just too huge a sacrifice and for what? Some of you suggest it is all about getting laid. Well news flash, a lot of folks get laid who don't have the perfect body. Lets be honest, it really is all about how insecure and narcissistic you are.
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anyone got any other pics of ukjeff? from what I can see no one has about 10lbs of lean tissue on you, just going by the upper body alone. 10 pounds of lean tissue on a better structure will look like 25lbs....His arms destroy yours too...your arms are very weak jeff, no way they are 18.5 inches ::)
17.5 pumped ...MAYBE
shots a bit too far away to judge, any more pics?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous and juvenile this seems? It is like a bunch of young teen boys checking out their dick size against their buddies.
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Why do I need to challenge you?
To shut you the fuck up thats why, all you have done in the last couple of weeks is tell everyone how fucking fantastic you are, now when the chips are down you dont have the bollocks for it.
Quietened by a 48 year old washed up has-been..
Hahahahaha....yeah right mate, you keep telling yourself that whilst nursing your shattered fragile ego.
These posts, including yours smack of being a giant pissing match.
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Do you have any idea how ridiculous and juvenile this seems? It is like a bunch of young teen boys checking out their dick size against their buddies.
Welcome to GetBig, bitch.
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Welcome to GetBig, bitch.
This is a disappointment. My guess is that most of the posters here have so much more to contribute then they do because they get all caught up in the shit that goes on here. Yeah I know because I've been told many times before, don't be so serious, this is all fun and games. I like fun as much as the next person, but at the base of it should be something of value or we are all just pissing away our lives by posting on Getbig.
Sorry for the rant.
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
you look big and lean there props
great quads
still rocking the mr t chain i see :D
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This is a disappointment. My guess is that most of the posters here have so much more to contribute then they do because they get all caught up in the shit that goes on here. Yeah I know because I've been told many times before, don't be so serious, this is all fun and games. I like fun as much as the next person, but at the base of it should be something of value or we are all just pissing away our lives by posting on Getbig.
Sorry for the rant.
You're probably right. But there is an entertainment value that comes with the characters here. For example, have you ever heard of a CSWOL?
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You're probably right. But there is an entertainment value that comes with the characters here. For example, have you ever heard of a CSWOL?
I have met a few folks like CSWOL. They are delusional.
I always wanted to be big. CSWOL is that. I hope I never get to the point where I think being fat is the same as being big....or that being this makes me better than anyone else. Being big is a personal goal. It is based on personal history. Thankfully, I am neither as fat as he is nor as ugly looking. But maybe he cannot help what he is. Genetics can be cruel. Looking good is something of an accident, I get this.
Yeah, some of CSWOL's posts have a certain entertainment value in a comic sense. Unfortunately, they leave me feeling like I am laughing at him and that is not really nice, is it?
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I have met a few folks like CSWOL. They are delusional.
I always wanted to be big. CSWOL is that. I hope I never get to the point where I think being fat is the same as being big....or that being this makes me better than anyone else. Being big is a personal goal. It is based on personal history. Thankfully, I am neither as fat as he is nor as ugly looking. But maybe he cannot help what he is. Genetics can be cruel. Looking good is something of an accident, I get this.
Yeah, some of CSWOL's posts have a certain entertainment value in a comic sense. Unfortunately, they leave me feeling like I am laughing at him and that is not really nice, is it?
Yeah you're kinda being a crotchety old bastard, but you have your place here just like everyone else. 8)
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OK now I got the full picture, no one explain very clearly his perception and in all fairness he is right on this one.
I see Ukjeff point but no one was helping others and in the process was interrupted by ukjeff hence why he made those comments and not because he feels the need to challenge him.
Fair enough so I say everyone go there separate way and squash this fiasco. No one has a lot of people that are interested in his concept so he should carry on as he is more then qualified to help others better their physique.,
So Ukjeff your a good guy with a great physique but let this one go bro. Your approach to dieting is different then no one and it works but no ones approach works well too and right now people are interested in what he has to say so good on him and gal.
I love this era of getbig and I will tell you guys why;
Getbig was nothing but a nut house for a long time, entertainment and nothing more, which is OK but this is a physique site and now people are craving to get jacked and are interrested in concepts and are getting information at this site that can create awesome physiques so getbig is the way it should be and I applaud everyone who contribute to this.
My 2 cents
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I love this era of getbig and I will tell you guys why;
Getbig was nothing but a nut house for a long time, entertainment and nothing more, which is OK but this is a physique site and now people are craving to get jacked and are interrested in concepts and are getting information at this site that can create awesome physiques so getbig is the way it should be and I applaud everyone who contribute to this.
My 2 cents
Hell yes
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These posts, including yours smack of being a giant pissing match.
Yep, no prostate problems for us....yet. ;)
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you look big and lean there props
great quads
still rocking the mr t chain i see :D
Thanks mate
The chain was a gift from the missus, I never take it off, well the chiropractor does when he fixes my neck, come to think of it, I only had the neck problems since I got the chain. >:(
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OK now I got the full picture, no one explain very clearly his perception and in all fairness he is right on this one.
I see Ukjeff point but no one was helping others and in the process was interrupted by ukjeff hence why he made those comments and not because he feels the need to challenge him.
Fair enough so I say everyone go there separate way and squash this fiasco. No one has a lot of people that are interested in his concept so he should carry on as he is more then qualified to help others better their physique.,
So Ukjeff your a good guy with a great physique but let this one go bro. Your approach to dieting is different then no one and it works but no ones approach works well too and right now people are interested in what he has to say so good on him and gal.
I love this era of getbig and I will tell you guys why;
Getbig was nothing but a nut house for a long time, entertainment and nothing more, which is OK but this is a physique site and now people are craving to get jacked and are interrested in concepts and are getting information at this site that can create awesome physiques so getbig is the way it should be and I applaud everyone who contribute to this.
My 2 cents
I have nothing to let go OTH, its old no one that started with the insults, hes now made his position clear so Im happy to move on.
As for this era of getbig, did it start when I signed up? ;D
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I have nothing to let go OTH, its old no one that started with the insults, hes now made his position clear so Im happy to move on.
As for this era of getbig, did it start when I signed up? ;D
I think you fast forward the bad blood. ONE THING YOU ARE USEFUL IN (BESIDES BEING A JERK ;D ) is getting all the info out by playing devil's advocate. lol :D 8)
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I think you fast forward the bad blood. ONE THING YOU ARE USEFUL IN (BESIDES BEING A JERK ;D ) is getting all the info out by playing devil's advocate. lol :D 8)
;D
All the grief I gave you in your thread kept the thread bumped and people reading and asking questions.
I did also agree that your diet would work and didnt ever say it wouldnt.
Probabaly felt like the contrary at the time though. ;)
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
what's with the gold necklace ??? ??? ???
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Jeff you look great, solid 225
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;D
All the grief I gave you in your thread kept the thread bumped and people reading and asking questions.
I did also agree that your diet would work and didnt ever say it wouldnt.
Probabaly felt like the contrary at the time though. ;)
I think our beef will go down in getbig history, it went on for months and hundreds of threads and I don't think I have ever called people the names I called you, lmao.
at the end of the day I respect you because you were the better man and squashed it so now me and you are cool lol, some good times though :D
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But you are dieting and getting in shape anyway aren't you?
Why not just tell me when you plan on being at your best and i will try and dial in as well?
It doesn't have to be a competition or anything, just let me know your plans and I will fit in around your schedule, cant say fairer than that can I?
i'll be ready at the end of october, are you up for it ;)
it will be "bodybuilder" vs. "men's physique" 8)
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i'll be ready at the end of october, are you up for it ;)
it will be "bodybuilder" vs. "men's physique" 8)
Why not, Im away in september on hoilday for a week so shouldnt be too hard to stay in shape
What date do you want to set?
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I think our beef will go down in getbig history, it went on for months and hundreds of threads and I don't think I have ever called people the names I called you, lmao.
at the end of the day I respect you because you were the better man and squashed it so now me and you are cool lol, some good times though :D
I never took it personal.
Good times indeed.
Its conflict and banter that make forums.
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Why not, Im away in september on hoilday for a week so should be too hard to stay in shape
What date do you want to set?
october 31st
in honor of all hallows eve 8)
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october 31st
in honor of all hallows eve 8)
Its in my diary ;)
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Its in my diary ;)
deal
so bring it 8)
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deal
so bring it 8)
Calm down man, you will be peaking too soon.
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october 31st
in honor of all hallows eve 8)
You'll fit right in with all the other ghoulish skeletons on display.
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october 31st
in honor of all hallows eve 8)
haha
he blows you away you skinny little beta prick
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For the average Joe or more accurately for most of us, we have lives that aren't consumed with looking great for....not sure what. Speaking for myself. I enjoy being as fit as possible given my age and the other commitments in my life. To me fitness equates to being healthy and for a dude as old as I am that's a big fucking deal. I try to hit the gym 6 days a week. Sometimes that works and sometimes not. I try to eat as healthy and clean as possible while not letting my diet turn me into a albatross who cannot enjoy a meal with friends without worrying whether it meshes with my diet regime.
I agree to be on top of this game, you have to be all in. For most of us, that is just too huge a sacrifice and for what? Some of you suggest it is all about getting laid. Well news flash, a lot of folks get laid who don't have the perfect body. Lets be honest, it really is all about how insecure and narcissistic you are.
Looking great is a big part of it, another part is mental toughness and self-discipline. At the end it is all about drive IMO.
You cannot look at this from the same perspective as someone in their 20's, where testosterone levels are going through the roof and you feel invincible.
You being close to 70 are not able to add any muscle and lifting weights is playing completely different role. To prevent muscles atrophy.
Good to see you still being active.
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UKJeff looking great at 48 years, and destroying no one in this thread.
It's pretty clear that ukjeff is owning no one, on time/effort/obsession with the gym/diet and still looking nearly as good.
Nice garden lol, I hear that you can literally see the Scottish border over one of your fences ;)
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UKJeff looking great at 48 years, and destroying no one in this thread.
It's pretty clear that ukjeff is owning no one, on time/effort/obsession with the gym/diet and still looking nearly as good.
Nice garden lol, I hear that you can literally see the Scottish border over one of your fences ;)
if that's the case he better watch out for me charging across said border with my face painted blue and swinging a claymore
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UKJeff looking great at 48 years, and destroying no one in this thread.
It's pretty clear that ukjeff is owning no one, on time/effort/obsession with the gym/diet and still looking nearly as good.
Nice garden lol, I hear that you can literally see the Scottish border over one of your fences ;)
Now you've done it; soon enough we'll see a triplet of back-to-back War and Peace length posts on the subject of of how no one is above the fray despite posting 15+ posts a day bickering with ukjeffley and/or rambling about himself or "his" diet.
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UKJeff looking great at 48 years, and destroying no one in this thread.
It's pretty clear that ukjeff is owning no one, on time/effort/obsession with the gym/diet and still looking nearly as good.
Nice garden lol, I hear that you can literally see the Scottish border over one of your fences ;)
two steps to the right and I would have been wearing a kilt.
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Now you've done it; soon enough we'll see a triplet of back-to-back War and Peace length posts on the subject of of how no one is above the fray despite posting 15+ posts a day bickering with ukjeffley and/or rambling about himself or "his" diet.
Nah, I think he knows his place now.
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two steps to the right and I would have been wearing a kilt.
Lol, beautiful part of the country though.
My grandad was from Carlisle, miss him lots - esp his killer accent 8)
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
im looking forward to the battle between you and dj181 too close to call
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october 31st
in honor of all hallows eve 8)
Why do you need more time?
...just post a pic.
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Why do you need more time?
...just post a pic.
because i'm just starting to make some size gains, and they will last for another 8-12 weeks, and then i'll need maybe 3-4 weeks to get ripped again but with 10-15 more pounds of lean muscle tissue than in my last ripped photos
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because i'm just starting to make some size gains, and they will last for another 8-12 weeks, and then i'll need maybe 3-4 weeks to get ripped again but with 10-15 more pounds of lean muscle tissue than in my last ripped photos
START WEIGHT???NOW
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because i'm just starting to make some size gains, and they will last for another 8-12 weeks, and then i'll need maybe 3-4 weeks to get ripped again but with 10-15 more pounds of lean muscle tissue than in my last ripped photos
Oh,a bulking cycle then cut cycle :)
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
A overall good build Jeff.
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Yeah you're kinda being a crotchety old bastard, but you have your place here just like everyone else. 8)
Thanks.
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START WEIGHT???NOW
right now i weigh 73 kg which is roughly 161
in my ripped photo i weighed 152
i plan to be 165-175 @ sub-6 on oct 31st
that's my plan and my goal, so we will see
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right now i weigh 73 kg which is roughly 161
in my ripped photo i weighed 152
i plan to be 165-175 @ sub-6 on oct 31st
that's my plan and my goal, so we will see
Looking at those numbers its not going to end well for you come October.
You are going to bulk for 12 weeks and diet for 4 and plan to be heavier and more ripped that ever before?
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this pic isn't just to show off the guns...no secret at this point.
but I'm lean at over 235, tight waist, and keeping better upper body thickness than I ever have. I give credit to OTH, Gal and No one...for the last year since the original "hi pro/low carb" threads started...I actually got motivated and changed my eating habits. I take gear, and it's the reason why I am what I am but the diet has kept me drier and "solider" than before I stuck to it, no doubt in my mind.
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Hahaha am i reading right? Is DJ81lbs saying he will look better that ugayjeff come september despite the fact jeff has 50+ pounds more of muscle on him?
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this pic isn't just to show off the guns...no secret at this point.
but I'm lean at over 235, tight waist, and keeping better upper body thickness than I ever have. I give credit to OTH, Gal and No one...for the last year since the original "hi pro/low carb" threads started...I actually got motivated and changed my eating habits. I take gear, and it's the reason why I am what I am but the diet has kept me drier and "solider" than before I stuck to it, no doubt in my mind.
Looking lean there, good work.
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Hahaha am i reading right? Is DJ81lbs saying he will look better that ugayjeff come september despite the fact jeff has 50+ pounds of muscle on him?
he is a delusional retard
everyone else he has challenged has laughed at him
maybe jeff hasnt been here long enough to realise dj is an idiot to be laughed at
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this pic isn't just to show off the guns...no secret at this point.
but I'm lean at over 235, tight waist, and keeping better upper body thickness than I ever have. I give credit to OTH, Gal and No one...for the last year since the original "hi pro/low carb" threads started...I actually got motivated and changed my eating habits. I take gear, and it's the reason why I am what I am but the diet has kept me drier and "solider" than before I stuck to it, no doubt in my mind.
Clearly a big dude is Groink no matter what Cswol says.
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he is a delusional retard
everyone else he has challenged has laughed at him
maybe jeff hasnt been here long enough to realise dj is an idiot to be laughed at
Im dieting anyway, so it doesnt really matter if he backs out or not.
I will just post a pic regardless of what I look like come October 31st.
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Im dieting anyway, so it doesnt really matter if he backs out or not.
I will just post a pic regardless of what I look like come October 31st.
dj will pm his to nice to posters to give him props on here
he is a need whiny little prick
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Hahaha am i reading right? Is DJ81lbs saying he will look better that ugayjeff come september despite the fact jeff has 50+ pounds more of muscle on him?
In his mind he already does.
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In his mind he already does.
He is going to come back and say the two are just to judged on leanness not size go figure.
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DJ was ripped in his last pics ill give him that but he was 10 stone soaking wet with rigger boots on.
He faces the problem of most his girlfriends outmassing him.
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He is going to come back and say the two are just to judged on leanness not size go figure.
Im happy with that if its what he wants.
He needs to let me know now if thats the case.
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DJ was ripped in his last pics ill give him that but he was 10 stone soaking wet with rigger boots on.
He faces the problem of most his boyfriends outmassing him.
fixed
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fixed
lol, just beat me to it.
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He is going to come back and say the two are just to judged on leanness not size go figure.
He's saying bber vs male physique for this ...
He still doesn't qualify for either of the two ;D
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He's saying bber vs male physique for this ...
He still doesn't qualify for either of the two ;D
maybe human vs skeleton would be fairer
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maybe human vs skeleton would be fairer
it's called STRUCTURE !!!
;D
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Ha ha yes a fairer challenge would be Dj181 vs the hat rack and even then i couldnt call it
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dj is currently refining his ripped physique as this pic demonstrates
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dj is currently refining his ripped physique as this pic demonstrates
To be fair hes currently on a bulk
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDmilfgAQySqzPd4jcfx-EBB48oIbbzlc6GuAwMMC5KLfH0Z07)
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DJ showing off his powerfull 28 inch chest and quads with less thickness than the average cock
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Ok, from this angle, your arms don't look like they're full of synthol.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484080.0;attach=525201;image)
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let's be real Its about who has the most attractive body to the average woman and the physique that most regular guys would envy..(as in your coworkers and regular everyday buddies i mean isnt that why we do this?) its about looking good. ... And there is alot more to that than being big or lean ....even skin tone will play a huge role.
I would say, for most likely to step on a magazine being a bber or fitness model whatever- "no one" has the best look. could definitely sign a contract, right now on the spot.....
now to compare him to galeniko ......galeniko is bit leaner and has better arms, and better muscle bellies..no one is a bit tall though, and I dont think he would look better if he got any leaner. He's pushing it if he does being so tall and refusing to use insulin IMO.. .on the other hand . no one's phyique projects more strength to me than galenikos, and looks denser of a guy who has been training longer than galeniko. (and he has)....
- guy most average guys in their 20's would rather look like- probably groink. At least for me...Im a masculine, no bullshit type of guy and care more about being comfortable in my own skin with how I LOOK ... then about being on the cover on some fitness magazine or looking sexy on the beach.
and to me that's about size first...and most imporantly having a lean muscular physique that flows....when a girl calls you handsome and tells you your "easy on the eyes" she means just that mean that. EASY on the eyes....gayness out of this post aside-Groink's physiqe is very easy on the eyes to me....part of the reason may be that he has very good skin. your complexion and the ability to achieve a nice attractive tan is huge...galeniko doesnt have the best skin is this regard. I dont either.....very few guys do.
lastly your on the internet and you shouldnt have to beat around the bush to make people feel good or care about hurting their feelings.... you shouldnt you have to bite your lip to assess someone's physique or edit your post....it doesnt take you 10 minutes to asses that guy at the club worried about stealing your girl does it? you know in 6 seconds.....stop being gay,just look at their pictures without the name attached and write what comes to mind....if more of you would start doing this there wouldnt be so many dj181's and ukjeff's running around.
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it's called STRUCTURE !!!
;D
haha
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let's be real Its about who has the most attractive body to the average woman and the physique that most regular guys would envy..(as in your coworkers and regular everyday buddies i mean isnt that why we do this?) its about looking good. ... And there is alot more to that than being big or lean ....even skin tone will play a huge role.
I would say, for most likely to step on a magazine being a bber or fitness model whatever- "no one" has the best look. could definitely sign a contract, right now on the spot.....
now to compare him to galeniko ......galeniko is bit leaner and has better arms, and better muscle bellies..no one is a bit tall though, and I dont think he would look better if he got any leaner. He's pushing it if he does being so tall and refusing to use insulin IMO.. .on the other hand . no one's phyique projects more strength to me than galenikos, and looks denser of a guy who has been training longer than galeniko. (and he has)....
- guy most average guys in their 20's would rather look like- probably groink. At least for me...Im a masculine, no bullshit type of guy and care more about being comfortable in my own skin with how I LOOK ... then about being on the cover on some fitness magazine or looking sexy on the beach.
and to me that's about size first...and most imporantly having a lean muscular physique that flows....when a girl calls you handsome and tells you your "easy on the eyes" she means just that mean that. EASY on the eyes....gayness out of this post aside-Groink's physiqe is very easy on the eyes to me....part of the reason may be that he has very good skin. your complexion and the ability to achieve a nice attractive tan is huge...galeniko doesnt have the best skin is this regard. I dont either.....very few guys do.
lastly your on the internet and you shouldnt have to beat around the bush to make people feel good or care about hurting their feelings.... you shouldnt you have to bite your lip to assess someone's physique or edit your post....it doesnt take you 10 minutes to asses that guy at the club worried about stealing your girl does it? you know in 6 seconds.....stop being gay,just look at their pictures without the name attached and write what comes to mind....if more of you would start doing this there wouldnt be so many dj181's and ukjeff's running around.
Do you have any pics or are you just an armchair critic?
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Looking at those numbers its not going to end well for you come October.
You are going to bulk for 12 weeks and diet for 4 and plan to be heavier and more ripped that ever before?
the bulk will be a lean bulk, as i won't allow myself to go over 8%, so this ripped phase will be more of a fine tune phase
right now i'm a tad under 7%
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In his mind he already does.
lol
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the bulk will be a lean bulk, as i won't allow myself to go over 8%, so this ripped phase will be more of a fine tune phase
right now i'm a tad under 7%
Pic please, I don't know what 7% looks like.
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Im happy with that if its what he wants.
He needs to let me know now if thats the case.
what i propose is who comes closest to reaching their goal or standard
your goal or standard is bodybuilder, and mine is men's physique
so something like that
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what i propose is who comes closest to reaching their goal or standard
your goal or standard is bodybuilder, and mine is men's physique
so something like that
I dont class myself as a bodybuilder.
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I dont class myself as a bodybuilder.
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???
Why confused?
If people ask me if Im a bodybuilder I always say no, I don't want to be associated with in my normal life.
Normal people think bodybuilders are dicks,
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what i propose is who comes closest to reaching their goal or standard
your goal or standard is bodybuilder, and mine is men's physique
so something like that
So you want to propose a contest that can't have a winner...because if someone points out a weakness or flaw, you just say "that's not what i was going for"......LOL.
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So you want to propose a contest that can't have a winner...because if someone points out a weakness or flaw, you just say "that's not what i was going for"......LOL.
fair enough
so maybe we could make the contest who has made the best and greatest improvements to thier physique
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fair enough
so maybe we could make the contest who has made the best and greatest improvements to thier physique
You will have to post a pic now for that to happen.
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You will have to post a pic now for that to happen.
so what's your idea to make this contest about?
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fair enough
so maybe we could make the contest who has made the best and greatest improvements to thier physique
How about you make the contest about who has the best physique...like a fucking normal person.
Enough with the bullshit handicaps and conditions....You think you have the horses, put up our shut up.
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so what's your idea to make this contest about?
Its you that wanted it isnt it?
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How about you make the contest about who has the best physique...like a fucking normal person.
Enough with the bullshit handicaps and conditions....You think you have the horses, put up our shut up.
allright, i'm in then
and ukjizz no pics will come from me til the deadline, so quit asking dude
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How about you make the contest about who has the best physique...like a fucking normal person
Enough with the bullshit handicaps and conditions....You think you have the horses, put up our shut up.
Great idea, Im up for that, full photos calves legs included.
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allright, i'm in then
and ukjizz no pics will come from me til the deadline, so quit asking dude
If you wanted a contest on who had improve the most you would have had to post a 'now' pic dumbass, that was my point.
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allright, i'm in then
and ukjizz no pics will come from me til the deadline, so quit asking dude
bro, no offence but I would start juicing hard ;)
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If you wanted a contest on who had improve the most you would have had to post a 'now' pic dumbass, that was my point.
well it's settled that it'll be about who has the best physique, so take your now pics and shove them up your ass
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well it's settled that it'll be about who has the best physique, so take your now pics and shove them up your ass
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLyLWXq05YJ07o-Bsoa7sTGUeQBFZkLH6vD0A5GNRPHgNEcy2x_Q)
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full photos calves legs included.
Haha, what a fucking asshole .
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Great idea, Im up for that, full photos calves legs included.
Yes, this, head to toe, no stupid lighting or fucked up angles, dead on shots.
I'm supervising this contest. There will be four judges picked that must be approved by both parties.. 100 % fair, unbiased contest...not a popularity contest.
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Yes, this, head to toe, no stupid lighting or fucked up angles, dead on shots.
I'm supervising this contest. There will be four judges picked that must be approved by both parties.. 100 % fair, unbiased contest...not a popularity contest.
i second this nomination of groink. the guy doesnt pull punches and bullshit. he'll give the straight goods like it or not.
i think flintstones should as well. hes objective honest and isnt afraid to hold back his opinion.
true adonis if he'll do it. guys has a ton of integrity.
btw...maybe im the only one thats sees the irony this little debacle. two of GB'a most needy squaring off in a no holds barred battle. holy shit. lol
this should be good for a laugh.
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dj has to eat/train heavy for a good few wks,lose some of the newfound leaness and try to stay tight at same time build into the due date.maybe the superdrol will be upped,,,or maybe the needle,,,,,,
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I want to be a judge
PS: DJ181 can use a passport photo if he wants to .
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i second this nomination of groink. the guy doesnt pull punches and bullshit. he'll give the straight goods like it or not.
i think flintstones should as well. hes objective honest and isnt afraid to hold back his opinion.
true adonis if he'll do it. guys has a ton of integrity.
btw...maybe im the only one thats sees the irony this little debacle. two of GB'a most needy squaring off in a no holds barred battle. holy shit. lol
this should be good for a laugh.
LOL yes i picked up on that. I'm going to work it into the name of the contest ;D
Maybe Catfight: the battle of the bitches
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Jeff you look great, solid 225
Pic doesnt show for me.
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dj has to eat/train heavy for a good few wks,lose some of the newfound leaness and try to stay tight at same time build into the due date.maybe the superdrol will be upped,,,or maybe the needle,,,,,,
This.
No way in hell dj181 is getting to Jeff's level by training hard and dieting alone. It would be great if he would be real for two seconds and tell us if he is upping the dose, but he's too much of a egomaniac.
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This.
No way in hell dj181 is getting to Jeff's level by training hard and dieting alone. It would be great if he would be real for two seconds and tell us if he is upping the dose, but he's too much of a egomaniac.
???why else or could he gain if he dosen't try to go past current level of usage or adding or changing new compound/s,,he tried to down play his gains to bad eating or training and then viola pics of him for him shredded and the contest i judged he got in shape pretty quick and revamped his build tenfold again 'compared to what he started with after letting go',ukjeff is built thick ,new pic is impressive,fuk his old contest pics its past and he looked great there,where talking now 48 yrs old he looks stacked and good shape and overall solid look.he needs a few wks to get drier/wrapped look with his size he will look great.he know's what he's doing ;),,,
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LOL yes i picked up on that. I'm going to work it into the name of the contest ;D
Maybe Catfight: the battle of the bitches
hahaha the passion of the pansies
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in before dj181 says his 'structure' and the 7.89125 lbs of added lean tissue he plans to put on between on and then tips the scales in his balance over the geezer.
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I dont class myself as a bodybuilder.
understandable.
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right now i weigh 73 kg which is roughly 161
in my ripped photo i weighed 152
i plan to be 165-175 @ sub-6 on oct 31st
that's my plan and my goal, so we will see
Help me get a better perspective on your weight by letting me know how tall you are.
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squats. Jesus.
here's what do to people when I try to explain how really poor a movement the squat is.
I get them to squat right where they are standing. a squat is one of the most unnatural movements your body will ever perform in a gym. just the constant adjustments one must make constantly thru just the negative part of the rep should tell you it's a movement the body is not comfortable with.
now put 315/405/525 on your back and do it and it's supposed to be 'better'?
nevermind the compression it puts on the spine on top of the unfamiliarity with needing to move several joints in that manner.
if people would just 'listen' to their bodies, instead of doing 'what your supposed to' there's be a lot more impressive physiques walking around.
Are you aware that you're denying decades of biomechanics and physiology which has shown squat to be:
1. Most natural movement.
2. Most beneficial movement in sports (any kind)
3. Safest movement
LOL, you're one arrogant MOFO.
Oh and squat is natural movement. If it's not then well, you're one hell of a cripple.
(http://www.stronggirlswin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ToddlerFullSq.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7r-oen4aLZ0/UUdfW4k35jI/AAAAAAAAAP4/f0xQtl6wHFE/s1600/perfect-squat.jpg)
(http://www.crossfitnottingham.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/squatting-229x300.png)
These only reason squat is unnatural movement to anybody is sitting on a chair for so many years that you loose your flexibility. Squat develops glutes, hams, lower back and quads (VMO!) which results in:
- protection of joints
- less risk o an injury
- STRONGER and HEALTHIER back (spine compression, ahahahahahhaha, OH BROTHER)
There are tons of studies about this, especially on olympic weightlifters. My advise would be read literature and studies before sharing your "opinion" because someone could potentially listen to your jibberish and get hurt.
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Are you aware that you're denying decades of biomechanics and physiology which has shown squat to be:
1. Most natural movement.
2. Most beneficial movement in sports (any kind)
3. Safest movement
LOL, you're one arrogant MOFO.
From my perspective all the impressive legs on stage are from squatting. I prep people here and some legs are so stubborn, they don't respond well until squats are introduced. I respect everyone's view on the matter but to me squats are king.
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From my perspective all the impressive legs on stage are from squatting. I prep people here and some legs are so stubborn, they don't respond well until squats are introduced. I respect everyone's view on the matter but to me squats are king.
Honestly, I don't give a fuck about leg development. I do squats and focus on flexibility in my lower back, glutes and hams for health reasons. I think that you can develop huge legs without squats but they benefit you in many ways beyond just muscle development. I know you are a bodybuilder but you also are a human being and as such you should care about being as athletic as possible.
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Honestly, I don't give a fuck about leg development. I do squats and focus on flexibility in my lower back, glutes and hams for health reasons. I think that you can develop huge legs without squats but they benefit you in many ways beyond just muscle development. I know you are a bodybuilder but you also are a human being and as such you should care about being as athletic as possible.
well I agree with you on all points. I also think the amount of muscle built by squats can not be compared to any other leg exercise.
I have done 20 sets of squats and can not walk for 5 days. At another time I have done the same 20 sets of leg press and also can not walk for 5 days but with squats I am completely immobilized from every angle and every fibre as with the leg press I can still have some range.,
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As highly as I think of No One and his methods, I'm with OTH and Deceiver here.
Squats, and deads, hell even my presses, took me years to really feel like I had mastered the movement. But once you get comfortable with a movement after literally a few hundred workouts, the effects are truly awesome, especially I notice with squats and deads. Like your body finds this rhythm and the movement finally becomes as natural and easy as doing a bicep curl.
(I ONLY do complete ass to grass squats, full ROM, and slow, controlled deadlifts)
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BTW to anyone who says squats make their glutes or "hips" (whatever that would mean) overdeveloped I've got bad news.
1. You don't know how to squat which means you should go back to day one, maybe find a personal trainer or something.
2. Your flexibility is most likely terrible.
I am yet to see anyone who does olympic squats with overdeveloped glutes. Please don't mistake olympic lifts with low bar parallel Rippleschmoe horseshit.
To make things 100% clear
(http://i.imgur.com/k0cjr.jpg)
Low bar, "millitary press", gallon of milk per day.
Olympic lifts. He can squat way over 300kg. Crazy overdeveloped glutes, roflmao.
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As highly as I think of No One and his methods, I'm with OTH and Deceiver here.
Squats, and deads, hell even my presses, took me years to really feel like I had mastered the movement. But once you get comfortable with a movement after literally a few hundred workouts, the effects are truly awesome, especially I notice with squats and deads. Like your body finds this rhythm and the movement finally becomes as natural and easy as doing a bicep curl.
(I ONLY do complete ass to grass squats, full ROM, and slow, controlled deadlifts)
Chiro bro, you hit the nail on the head with this post. Exactly what makes good squatting good is finding your rhythm. Dead's as well you have to get used to them and find the rhythm for your individual structure
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Chiro bro, you hit the nail on the head with this post. Exactly what makes good squatting good is finding your rhythm. Dead's as well you have to get used to them and find the rhythm for your individual structure
Yes exactly!
I've been training 5-6 days a week for the last 6 years, rarely missing a week unless I get really sick or something. Several hundred squat and dead workouts, and I'm finally, just finally after the last year or 2, really feeling as if I've "perfected" the movements.
My current training partner is a 16 year old family friend, great kid and good work ethic....the other day we were doing stiff leg deadlifts to end a hamstring workout and he said "man I don't really like this exercise, I don't feel it as much as leg curls." I Laughed and told him he needs a few years of doing these exercises before he can comment on whether or not a particular exercise is good for him or not. Training is an art that takes years to master the "feel" of any movement.
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i second this nomination of groink. the guy doesnt pull punches and bullshit. he'll give the straight goods like it or not.
i think flintstones should as well. hes objective honest and isnt afraid to hold back his opinion.
true adonis if he'll do it. guys has a ton of integrity.
btw...maybe im the only one thats sees the irony this little debacle. two of GB'a most needy squaring off in a no holds barred battle. holy shit. lol
this should be good for a laugh.
it's only happening because you bottled out...sorry wasn't worthy of lowering yourself to having a picture taken at a specific time and posting it on the forum
fuck off lightweight.
oh and you did mention that you walked around all year shredded in one post yet then seem to indicate in another that you will have come down from 12% to 5% BF in 4 weeks on your diet.
Do you think 12% bodyfat is shredded you contradictory twat. ;)
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I currently weigh 16st 1lb which is 225 exactly
This is a photo taken tonight in the garden.
(http://s15.postimg.org/hrotdtf4r/090713.jpg)
Remember when ukjeff said that he only used steroids in the past as a "finishing touch" and that he is all natural now?
Oh brother, look at this schmoe, walking around at 225, 5'10, alphamale numbers right there and we know alphamale runs tren, test and gh on top of that.
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Remember when ukjeff said that he only used steroids in the past as a "finishing touch" and that he is all natural now?
Oh brother, look at this schmoe, walking around at 225, 5'10, alphamale numbers right there and we know alphamale runs tren, test and gh on top of that.
Ukjeff was doing roids for years. It's hard to compare to someone who is juicing for relatively short period of time.
I still somehow cannot believe he's natural right now. He looks awesome, well developed from toes to the neck. Cannot say that about "all arms and chest" crew from GB.
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Ukjeff was doing roids for years. It's hard to compare to someone who is juicing for relatively short period of time.
I still somehow cannot believe he's natural right now. He looks awesome, well developed from toes to the neck. Cannot say that about "all arms and chest" crew from GB.
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First off nobody who ever trains enhanced enters a gym naturally bro, unless they have health issues ..if they do, it wont last for long.
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just wondering why the two superstars have to wait until October 31 to post pics?
two of getbigs biggest 'experts' on diet and training and they need what, 12 weeks to to get in shape? lol
the garden gnome shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to go from that bf to 5% if his 'diet' and 'knowledge' was so spot on.
lets move the date of the 1st annual Bilbo Baggins Beauty Pageant up to the end of sept. that's 7 weeks. the fuck you need 12 weeks for?
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hey, fatboy. cat got your tongue? your usually pretty quick to spout off.
maybe your trying to find an excuse why it can't be done by end of sept. surely an ex competing/ dieting phenom can whip his fat ass into shape in a whole 7 weeks.
12 weeks. bitch please. ridiculous.
HOLY FUCK I JUST REALSED YOU WANT 16 WEEKS- THE END OF OCTOBER?!? hahahahaha holy fuck some real knowledge and efficiency here. I can build an entire fucking house in 16 weeks. all you have to do is strip a bit of fat off.
holy shit. I know your a fat fuck but 4 MONTHS is preposterous. Jesus Christ. what a farce.
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hey, fatboy. cat got your tongue? your usually pretty quick to spout off.
maybe your trying to find an excuse why it can't be done by end of sept. surely an ex competing/ dieting phenom can whip his fat ass into shape in a whole 7 weeks.
12 weeks. bitch please. ridiculous.
HOLY FUCK I JUST REALSED YOU WANT 16 WEEKS- THE END OF OCTOBER?!? hahahahaha holy fuck some real knowledge and efficiency here. I can build an entire fucking house in 16 weeks. all you have to do is strip a bit of fat off.
holy shit. I know your a fat fuck but 4 MONTHS is preposterous. Jesus Christ. what a farce.
If you took time to read the thread then you would know it wasnt me who set the deadline, take your foot out of your gob and think before you post.
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Haha, what a fucking asshole .
exactly, just hope this fucking f@66ot doesn't expect me to wear a sparkling thong as well
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understandable.
Now thats funny. ;D
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just wondering why the two superstars have to wait until October 31 to post pics?
two of getbigs biggest 'experts' on diet and training and they need what, 12 weeks to to get in shape? lol
the garden gnome shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to go from that bf to 5% if his 'diet' and 'knowledge' was so spot on.
lets move the date of the 1st annual Bilbo Baggins Beauty Pageant up to the end of sept. that's 7 weeks. the fuck you need 12 weeks for?
Im away second week in Sept and was cutting down for that.
Im happy to set any date, I have my current photo up so any date would be fine to show improvements from now and then.
4 weeks , 6 weeks, 8 weeks, its all good
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Honestly, I don't give a fuck about leg development. I do squats and focus on flexibility in my lower back, glutes and hams for health reasons. I think that you can develop huge legs without squats but they benefit you in many ways beyond just muscle development. I know you are a bodybuilder but you also are a human being and as such you should care about being as athletic as possible.
jeans were made for a reason.
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just wondering why the two superstars have to wait until October 31 to post pics?
two of getbigs biggest 'experts' on diet and training and they need what, 12 weeks to to get in shape? lol
the garden gnome shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to go from that bf to 5% if his 'diet' and 'knowledge' was so spot on.
lets move the date of the 1st annual Bilbo Baggins Beauty Pageant up to the end of sept. that's 7 weeks. the fuck you need 12 weeks for?
good question dude, and my answer goes something like this...
even though i went on for years and years about the importance of hard, effective training i wasn't really doing it in practice (working out in my tiny flat with push-ups and plastic dumbbells is not hard effective training lol)
and in fact, YOU were the one to "set me free" and "help me see the light" ie. get your ass into a proper gym and train with real barbells and hammer machines, etc.
so now that i'm finally doing it right and it will take me a few months to get all the benefits of this new found "training"
and to njflex, yep i'm upping the cals, as everyday i go to mickeys d's and eat 3 large sandwiches and large fries and cola
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dj181 = fail
its as simple as that
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lol @ me having a blocky 29 inch waist
lolololololololololo
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Im away second week in Sept and was cutting down for that.
Im happy to set any date, I have my current photo up so any date would be fine to show improvements from now and then.
4 weeks , 6 weeks, 8 weeks, its all good
6 weeks it is then.
don't worry I'm not expecting much.
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dj181 = fail
its as simple as that
My son tried to button his shirt the other day, and got upset that he couldn't get them all straight. I told him "Son, don't cry there's no such thing as failure, you just have to try again until you get it right!"
Later that night I was browsing the G&O and saw a picture of dj181. I felt like I had lied to my son, so I woke him up from his bed, and said "Son, you know what I said earlier, well it's not always true - look at this 'guy'!!!!" My son said his first "oh brother" and we had a great midnight laugh together at dj's expense.
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I train covered up at the gym and always wear a t-shirt.
I like to get in and out and back to normality.
Sure I used to be a bit of a gym rat back when I was competing and did the whole training in a vest, its just that I train now more for me than to impress others.
That may seem strange me posting photos on here but hear its anonymous.
People I work with I see on a sort of 6 monthly basis and they occasionally ask me if I am training I just say , oh I go occasionally to keep fit.
I always dress in a long sleeve shirt for work and no one really knows how I look, I dont look overly large in clothes so its not really an issue.
I shudder when I see huge bloated guys walking around flexing in the mirrors, I can understand competitors doing it as they are dialling in for shows but I only ever stripped of in the changing rooms to check progress, never i the main gym.
Im shy really ;)
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lol @ me having a blocky 29 inch waist
lolololololololololo
Post up your "lean" pic. Your shouldet to waist differential is barely noticeable.
You and your fkng "numbers"....LOLOL....it's how you look genius.
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Post up your "lean" pic. Your shouldet to waist differential is barely noticeable.
You and your fkng "numbers"....LOLOL....it's how you look genius.
he is a shameful excuse for a human being
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he is a shameful excuse for a human being
I was looking at the coverage of the Eygpt situation this morning, innocent bodies everywhere, and I thought to myself "Why can't it be dj181 instead of these confident 190 pound egyptians?"
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I train covered up at the gym and always wear a t-shirt.
I like to get in and out and back to normality.
Sure I used to be a bit of a gym rat back when I was competing and did the whole training in a vest, its just that I train now more for me than to impress others.
That may seem strange me posting photos on here but hear its anonymous.
People I work with I see on a sort of 6 monthly basis and they occasionally ask me if I am training I just say , oh I go occasionally to keep fit.
I always dress in a long sleeve shirt for work and no one really knows how I look, I dont look overly large in clothes so its not really an issue.
I shudder when I see huge bloated guys walking around flexing in the mirrors, I can understand competitors doing it as they are dialling in for shows but I only ever stripped of in the changing rooms to check progress, never i the main gym.
Im shy really ;)
epic unwarranted over compensation explanation due to posing in back garden in pants
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My son tried to button his shirt the other day, and got upset that he couldn't get them all straight. I told him "Son, don't cry there's no such thing as failure, you just have to try again until you get it right!"
Later that night I was browsing the G&O and saw a picture of dj181. I felt like I had lied to my son, so I woke him up from his bed, and said "Son, you know what I said earlier, well it's not always true - look at this 'guy'!!!!" My son said his first "oh brother" and we had a great midnight laugh together at dj's expense.
Hahahaaaaaa......brutal.
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if i looked like any of those 3 i wouldnt have least worries on my mind.
i think noone shouldnt use insulin, and i think i know he will not do that(for good imo).
if he messes up his waist line,hes just giving up too much, its very hard for such tall guy to fill out a frame, hell evenmy height wasnt easy to fill out, and then blowing the waist willmake everything else less impressive.
an inch gained on waist, you canharldymake up with upper body growth.
see,my rolemodel bbuilder, he looked same for decades and now seems to have added either gh, or tried to put onmore size on kinda small frame, and simply looks less impressive.
100% spot on.
I know insulin well. really well. I used it to push me north of 310 pounds.
was it good weight? fuck no. I looked like shit. sure i looked fucking massive in clothes. but take my shirt off at a beach? lol fuck no! that being said that big weights period tho gave me the density I have today. my traps that i have today i think are a result of the way i used to train- to get big. but I had that 'bigger is better' mentality. it took me a long time to figure out bigger is not better. better is better.
I'll never touch insulin again. not cause of the health risks. this shit isn't about 'health' it's about looking good. health takes a back seat till your late 30's early 40's. then you start to get your bloodwork done 2x a year. you take vested interest in being 'healthier' but this is not about health.
I'm lucky. insulin didn't fuck up my midsection like it has some many others. maybe because I didn't abuse it. those 'big' days are over for me now and thank god. I'd rather be 230 and look athletic, have black guy bellies on a white guy frame, than walk around at 300 pounds sweating, red faced and feeling like shit in the pursuit of some dream where every pound I added to the scale meant another step towards 'success'.
holy fuck did I ever have it wrong.
and to be in the same mention as a guy like Galeniko who achieves a level of conditioning and holds it year round that most can never dream of, or groink who's just a fucking stud- period- is extremely awesome to me. as much as this is a singular pursuit, recognition from ones peers is always motivating.
meltdown.
:D
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epic unwarranted over compensation explanation due to posing in back garden in pants
ya two and two not quite adding up here for me.
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100% spot on.
I know insulin well. really well. I used it to push me north of 310 pounds.
was it good weight? fuck no. I looked like shit. sure i looked fucking massive in clothes. but take my shirt off at a beach? lol fuck no! that being said that big weights period tho gave me the density I have today. my traps that i have today i think are a result of the way i used to train- to get big. but I had that 'bigger is better' mentality. it took me a long time to figure out bigger is not better. better is better.
I'll never touch insulin again. not cause of the health risks. this shit isn't about 'health' it's about looking good. health takes a back seat till your late 30's early 40's. then you start to get your bloodwork done 2x a year. you take vested interest in being 'healthier' but this is not about health.
I'm lucky. insulin didn't fuck up my midsection like it has some many others. maybe because I didn't abuse it. those 'big' days are over for me now and thank god. I'd rather be 230 and look athletic, have black guy bellies on a white guy frame, than walk around at 300 pounds sweating, red faced and feeling like shit in the pursuit of some dream where every pound I added to the scale meant another step towards 'success'.
holy fuck did I ever have it wrong.
and to be in the same mention as a guy like Galeniko who achieves a level of conditioning and holds it year round that most can never dream of, or groink who's just a fucking stud- period- is extremely awesome to me. as much as this is a singular pursuit, recognition from ones peers is always motivating.
meltdown.
:D
Right back at you brother. Your physique is nuts.
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Right back at you brother. Your physique is nuts.
cheers bro.
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dji'llneverweight 181 will change the rules as he goes or just deny someone looks better.
...dude must live in house with circus mirrors.
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dji'llneverweight 181 will change the rules as he goes or just deny someone looks better.
...dude must live in house with circus mirrors.
he could make it biggest nose wins
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he could make it biggest nose wins
Thats even tougher for him.....
...especially if it was against Big Ach! ;D
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Hahahaaaa...dj taking it up the anus.
If ever there was a guy that should be pounding the weights saying "I'll show those fuckers !!"....it's him.
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a thread full of MOUTHS
stfu and get in the contest if you dare
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the only thing that matters in BB is D R U G S.
D R U G S.
Everything else,
E V E R Y T H I N G E L S E,
is a lie.
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epic unwarranted over compensation explanation due to posing in back garden in pants
;D ;D
I should have quoted Gal, it was sort of a response to his post
i tell the people i dont even train regularly
meanwhile, i go every day
It does look sort of strange without it, on second thoughts its not that much more relevant with it. ::)
I shouldnt post when Im bored.
I will however say that people who dont post pics here tend not to get any respect, so photos it is.
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a thread full of MOUTHS
stfu and get in the contest if you dare
I'm in.
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a thread full of MOUTHS
stfu and get in the contest if you dare
Everybody posting here physique shits on yours.
...hope this helps
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i almost falled out of chair laughing ;D
i dont know if the guy would see the light if he stood on stage with say amateur world heavyweight championship(before they grow guts), im not sure , i think he walk there all confident over the stage,maybe even give some other competitots outdwarfing and outleaning and outstructuring him the arrogant from-up-to-down condescending look ahahahaha,think about it ;D
or imagine, someone with ukjeff build hits a pose and then dj181 comes along and pushed him away mid-pose ;D
this is so similiar to permabulker who "flex" their muscle but they wouldnt need to,it looks al the same flexed and unflexed(i dont mean it looks good btw), they certainly feel a pump or something, but looks same.
djs only way to improve anything would be years and years on gear, no talking and thinking diets and trainings.
he was given diet tips and stuff from the great ones, galeniko and such, but disregarded that,even though that stuff worked for everyone, not sure he can be helped.
he would have looked better if he lifelong trained nothing but arms and chest, thatd also fit his "diet"
cant make up for year and years of shit dieting in short time.
he should be good warning example for other, just like cswol is at the other end of the scale.
i see more hope for cswol btw, the guy isnt affraid og syringia, and he got the mass,hed be 200lbs ripped, 220 very lean.
ppl say cswol arms are full of oil, wel yeah there is some in them, but dieted down, his arms would be good, barring the toothpick forearms 8)
shut down ;D
;D
Its hard to make improvements when you already think you're the shit.
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a thread full of MOUTHS
stfu and get in the contest if you dare
I leave the proving yourself to people that have something to prove. I don't have the best build on this site, and I'm fine with that. If i ever were to compete, first off I would have done it years ago and not went up against guys 15 years younger than me.. and it would be on stage in a real BBing contest.
These internet contests are fun and great motivation..but they are bullshit. Unless you get two people side by side in the same picture, you can't truly get a sense of who's more developed. Not to pick on you...but you are not a big guy. You look good standing by yourself under careful lighting, in a carefully constructed pose. You took 25 pictures and used the best one ( I do it too)....but put you right next to a 225 pound guy, under the same lights...same exact distance from the camera, who is ALSO in shape, and you would disappear. Nobody really acknowledges this, but it's a fact.
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I leave the proving yourself to people that have something to prove. I don't have the best build on this site, and I'm fine with that. If i ever were to compete, first off I would have done it years ago and not went up against guys 15 years younger than me.. and it would be on stage in a real BBing contest.
These internet contests are fun and great motivation..but they are bullshit. Unless you get two people side by side in the same picture, you can't truly get a sense of who's more developed. Not to pick on you...but you are not a big guy. You look good standing by yourself under careful lighting, in a carefully constructed pose. You took 25 pictures and used the best one ( I do it too)....but put you right next to a 225 pound guy, under the same lights...same exact distance from the camera, who is ALSO in shape, and you would disappear. Nobody really acknowledges this, but it's a fact.
Are you suggesting that dj181 could submit his best pictures to a leading Ghost Spotting Forum, and have many members debating whether he can be seen Groink?
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Are you suggesting that dj181 could submit his best pictures to a leading Ghost Spotting Forum, and have many members debating whether he can be seen Groink?
OMFG.....hahahaaaaaaa.
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Are you suggesting that dj181 could submit his best pictures to a leading Ghost Spotting Forum, and have many members debating whether he can be seen Groink?
I'm suggesting that dji'llneverweight181 should submit his pictures to the Mr.Uganda light weight division to see if he qualifies.
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I leave the proving yourself to people that have something to prove. I don't have the best build on this site, and I'm fine with that. If i ever were to compete, first off I would have done it years ago and not went up against guys 15 years younger than me.. and it would be on stage in a real BBing contest.
These internet contests are fun and great motivation..but they are bullshit. Unless you get two people side by side in the same picture, you can't truly get a sense of who's more developed. Not to pick on you...but you are not a big guy. You look good standing by yourself under careful lighting, in a carefully constructed pose. You took 25 pictures and used the best one ( I do it too)....but put you right next to a 225 pound guy, under the same lights...same exact distance from the camera, who is ALSO in shape, and you would disappear. Nobody really acknowledges this, but it's a fact.
respect for that forthright answer
yes, i'm not a big guy and i never will be
but a serious question here... do you think that Zane looked better @ 187 or @ 202
he was roughly 87 in the '77 '78 '79 '80 mr. o's
but in '82 he sized up to over 2 bills and IMHO he looked better @ 87 than he did at 2 bills
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respect for that forthright answer
yes, i'm not a big guy and i never will be
but a serious question here... do you think that Zane looked better @ 187 or @ 202
he was roughly 87 in the '77 '78 '79 '80 mr. o's
but in '82 he sized up to over 2 bills and IMHO he looked better @ 87 than he did at 2 bills
What the hell has Zane got to do with your skinny little backside???
Zane could have been 124 in the 77-80's Olympia and you'd still look like a drowned ferret
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respect for that forthright answer
yes, i'm not a big guy and i never will be
but a serious question here... do you think that Zane looked better @ 187 or @ 202
he was roughly 87 in the '77 '78 '79 '80 mr. o's
but in '82 he sized up to over 2 bills and IMHO he looked better @ 87 than he did at 2 bills
I liked him better at 202, which is what he weighed in 82. He was just as cut... and his neck, shoulders and arms were all noticeably thicker. Which was one of my complaints about him, he lacked breadth and thickness across his shoulder girdle...and had weak arms. He improved .for that show.
I remember the Olympia write up in M&F...they had side by side pics of him at different weights
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respect for that forthright answer
yes, i'm not a big guy and i never will be
but a serious question here... do you think that Zane looked better @ 187 or @ 202
he was roughly 87 in the '77 '78 '79 '80 mr. o's
but in '82 he sized up to over 2 bills and IMHO he looked better @ 87 than he did at 2 bills
you are a fucking beta twig
you look like shit and are the ugliest fucker on here
if you lived in the uk i would have you put down to stop you scaring children
just stfu and kill yourself :-*
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you are a fucking beta twig
you look like shit and are the ugliest fucker on here
if you lived in the uk i would have you put down to stop you scaring children
just stfu and kill yourself :-*
why would you even say such things to someone?
there's ball busting then theres this bullshit. the guys a little fucked up and needy. you that that much better?
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i say what i want on here dad :-*
bigmc and bigcyp getting gimmicks mixed up?
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why would you even say such things to someone?
there's ball busting then theres this bullshit. the guys a little fucked up and needy. you that that much better?
its called a joke
you would have laughed last week before you started throwing tantrums because i questioned your book
a quick glance through your old posts tells everyone the level of hypocrisy in this post :-*
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its called a joke
you would have laughed last week before you started throwing tantrums because i questioned your book
a quick glance through your old posts tells everyone the level of hypocrisy in this post :-*
Well said,
He even made a post a little while back admitting that he now is going to act completely different as an 'author' can't go around owning everone lol. All for $20 ;D Imagine how much cock he would smoke for $1000!!!
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Well said,
He even made a post a little while back admitting that he now is going to act completely different as an 'author' can't go around owning everone lol. All for $20 ;D Imagine how much cock he would smoke for $1000!!!
he has turned from a good poster into a meltdown king and snake oil salesman
his now legendary 10000 word posts about how he doesnt give a shit are cringe worthy
pity he used to be a proper get bigger untill he fell in love with the cock
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he has turned from a good poster into a meltdown king and snake oil salesman
his now legendary 10000 word posts about how he doesnt give a shit are cringe worthy
pity he used to be a proper get bigger untill he fell in love with the cock
No coincidence him and XFACTOR clicked.
Both are clear wannabes, driving leased cars and living the coke-fuelled lifestyle.
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I liked him better at 202, which is what he weighed in 82. He was just as cut... and his neck, shoulders and arms were all noticeably thicker. Which was one of my complaints about him, he lacked breadth and thickness across his shoulder girdle...and had weak arms. He improved .for that show.
I remember the Olympia write up in M&F...they had side by side pics of him at different weights
HE did but his waist was thicker looking as well,by no means was he not a drugged look in past shoing's,but this yr he did have a more chemical looking thickness to his skin/fullness.
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dj just needs bit more protein and injectable natural hormones and things would change.
No Gal, dj needs a 10cc of self esteem EOD, 1000mg of self-confidence, and a soul transplant.
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its called a joke
you would have laughed last week before you started throwing tantrums because i questioned your book
a quick glance through your old posts tells everyone the level of hypocrisy in this post :-*
blah blah blah calm down, toughstuff.
I think I've got toilet paper here with more grit than you.
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blah blah blah calm down, toughstuff.
I think I've got toilet paper here with more grit than you.
you think you have
wipe your mouth then boy cause all you do is spew shit :-*
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you think you have
wipe your mouth then boy cause all you do is spew shit :-*
lame.
stick to kissing bigcyps ass and making idle Internet threats, bigtime.
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why would you even say such things to someone?
there's ball busting then theres this bullshit. the guys a little fucked up and needy. you that that much better?
What upsets dj181 a lot more than the abuse is people not talking about him.
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What upsets dj181 a lot more than the abuse is people not talking about him.
lol! this is prolly very true. well said sir. :)
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lame.
stick to kissing bigcyps ass and making idle Internet threats, bigtime.
stick to piggy backing off other posters
because on your own you are just another little beta puffing his chest out on the internetz
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stick to piggy backing off other posters
because on your own you are just another little beta puffing his chest out on the internetz
you talk like a man of experience.
thanks for sharing.
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you talk like a man of experience.
thanks for sharing.
you talk like a man with nothing between his ears and a mouth full of cock
which you dont like sharing
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you talk like a man with nothing between his ears and a mouth full of cock
which you dont like sharing
you talk about sexual acts between men a lot.
nothing like turning a hobby into a full time job.
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you talk about sexual acts between men a lot.
nothing like turning a hobby into a full time job.
twas you that shoehorned cock into the argument
seems like you are quite the expert
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twas you that shoehorned cock into the argument
seems like you are quite the expert
I'd say if anyone was the expert at 'shoehorning' cock into anything it would be you, allstar.
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I'd say if anyone was the expert at 'shoehorning' cock into anything it would be you, allstar.
yet it is you who by your own declaration who is indicating that you have more than a passing knowledge on what constitutes an expert on cock
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yet it is you who by your own declaration who is indicating that you have more than a passing knowledge on what constitutes an expert on cock
I do have knowledge of what constitutes an expert on cock-
you.
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I do have knowledge of what constitutes an expert on cock-
you.
surely knowledge comes from experience it is therefore logical to conclude that you in fact love the cock
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classic getbig right here. ;D
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classic getbig right here. ;D
Yes!
2 liners of peace
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Yes!
2 liners of peace
classic getbig right here. ;D
no one and BigMc bringing the GB old school funny on this page ;D 8)
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I do have knowledge of what constitutes an expert on cock-
you.
NO ONE IS THIS REALLY YOU BEHIND THE KEY BOARD?? :o :o :o
Bro tone it down, you sound like gh15, I applaud your work here and the info is gold, but fuck bro, don't grow a big head
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NO ONE IS THIS REALLY YOU BEHIND THE KEY BOARD?? :o :o :o
Bro tone it done you sound like gh15, I applaud your work here and the info is gold, but fuck bro, don't grow a big head
that ships long since sailed mate.
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surely knowledge comes from experience it is therefore logical to conclude that you in fact love the cock
yes i have experienced the depth of knowledge you have regarding the homosexual activities you talk about.
don't stop now. your doing fine.
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yes i have experienced the depth of knowledge you have regarding the homosexual activities you talk about.
don't stop now. your doing fine.
sounds like quite the fantasy you have dredged up there sparky
seems you are taking your research seriously
bet you cant wait for the field trip
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sounds like quite the fantasy you have dredged up there sparky
seems you are taking your research seriously
bet you cant wait for the field trip
odd how you tie your penchant for acts of homosexuality into a 'fantasy field trip'.
planning road trip to visit 'ukjeff' in the near future are we?
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odd how you tie your penchant for acts of homosexuality into a 'fantasy field trip'.
planning road trip to visit 'ukjeff' in the near future are we?
Are you sure you want to drag me into this, your pussy is still stinging from last time.
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odd how you tie your penchant for acts of homosexuality into a 'fantasy field trip'.
planning road trip to visit 'ukjeff' in the near future are we?
sorry. lol that was a good one. :D
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sorry. lol that was a good one. :D
Patting yourself on the back for your own posts??
Jeez, what a tool.
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Are you sure you want to drag me into this, your pussy is still stinging from last time.
just go sit in the corner till addressed Penelope there are men taking here.
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just go sit in the corner till addressed Penelope there are men taking here.
ah, talking to me again, thats nice
When are your photos going to be on?
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Patting yourself on the back for your own posts??
Jeez, what a tool.
sorry bro. didn't mean to get you all worked up. I doubt he's planning such a trip.
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sorry bro. didn't mean to get you all worked up. I doubt he's planning such a trip.
nah hes more likely to ass fuck you like hes doing in this thread.
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I want to be more deeply involved with this thread but I'm not sure who I should pick to call a c o c k sucker
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well we can all thank ukjeff for bringing the unfunny and derailing a good two pages.
nice work, speedbag.
'hey guys! look at me! I'm over here! I can fit in- watch!'
fucking nonce.
stick to gaying up the place with your photos 'posing' in the garden.
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we'll we can all thank ukjeff for bringing the unfunny and derailing a good two pages.
nice work, speedbag.
'hey guys! look at me! I'm over here! I can fit in- watch!'
fucking nonce.
stick to gaying up the place with your photos 'posing' in the garden.
You brought me into it fuckwit, it was after I posted that you couldnt think of anything better to say
I think you are frightened of me ;)
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why would you even say such things to someone?
there's ball busting then theres this bullshit. the guys a little fucked up and needy. you that that much better?
this motherfucking asshole takes this shit way too fucking far
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this motherfucking asshole takes this shit way too fucking far
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HE did but his waist was thicker looking as well,by no means was he not a drugged look in past shoing's,but this yr he did have a more chemical looking thickness to his skin/fullness.
yep, and he lost his proportion
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??? ??? ???
show me where i abuse and insult people like that, good luck finding it
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this motherfucking asshole takes this shit way too fucking far
says the man who pms his pics to the nice posters on here to validate himself
you take this place way too seriously drum stick
if you were any sort of man you wouldnt give a fuck what i say
your real life must suck
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I want to be more deeply involved with this thread but I'm not sure who I should pick to call a c o c k sucker
its a shame when people go out of their way to help anonymous people strictly out of passion and a bunch of negative losers have to fuck it up. I'd be pissed too...gal tapped out long ago
reminds me of this time i spent half an hour writing this entire program for this kid at the gym,..so he goes and two weeks later tells me I changed this and this I dont like this and this. Im like fuck you do what you want...
2 months later he looks the same, comes crwawling back to me apologizing. told him to give me 200 bucks and ill write him a diet/traiing program or he can stay small the rest of his life
. he complied(:
Sometimes you have to be a dick to people. we're talking 20 bucks lol
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??? ??? ???
show me where i abuse and insult people like that, good luck finding it
its in the post I quoted you dumb fuck, is "motherfucking asshole" normal language in your house?
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its a shame when people go out of their way to help anonymous people strictly out of passion and a bunch of negative losers have to fuck it up. I'd be pissed too...gal tapped out long ago
reminds me of this time i spent half an hour writing this entire program for this kid at the gym,..so he goes and two weeks later tells me I changed this and this I dont like this and this. Im like fuck you do what you want...
2 months later he looks the same, comes crwawling back to me apologizing. told him to give me 200 bucks and ill write him a diet/traiing program or he can stay small the rest of his life
. he complied(:
Sometimes you have to be a dick to people. we're talking 20 bucks lol
Why would someone give a 20 year old boy $200?
I notice you called him a kid as well?
Are you sure you're 20?
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Why would someone give a 20 year old boy $200?
I notice you called him a kid as well?
Are you sure you're 20?
let me tell you something jeffrey.in this game sometimes there are guys who are as big and as lean as you (not you of course) but anyways sometimes there are guys who are big and as lean as you.... who may get up on stage and do really well. they look good in photos etc..they weigh alot and the bodyfat is low...But when you see them in walmart, or at the gas station, or at teh gym unpumped with no special lighting or illiusions...there's really nothing to them. nothing animalistic to them..that sends a shiver down your spine that makes you think twice about getting off that hammer chest machine without cleaning it......be honest with me me do guys clean your equipment off for you before using it? you and i both know they dont....brother.
its more that muscle shape, or structure, or skin tone, or how much lean tissue you carry......its a hidden blue print in our genes that seperates the men from the boys when he starts to take up weight training,...This is something that "squares" like you dont seem to understand...
Go ahead Take your perfectly timed shots, with your "by the book cycle" of .and eat your 6 perfectly timed meals, get on the scale at 225lbs with a low bodyfat thinking your better than everyelse- . your still a pussy in my eyes.
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let me tell you something jeffrey.in this game sometimes there are guys who are as big and as lean as you (not you of course) but anyways sometimes there are guys who are big and as lean as you.... who may get up on stage and do really well. they look good in photos etc..they weigh alot and the bodyfat is low...But when you see them in walmart, or at the gas station, or at teh gym unpumped with no special lighting or illiusions...there's really nothing to them. nothing animalistic to them..that sends a shiver down your spine that makes you think twice about getting off that hammer chest machine without cleaning it......be honest with me me do guys clean your equipment off for you before using it? you and i both know they dont....brother.
its more that muscle shape, or structure, or skin tone, or how much lean tissue you carry......its a hidden blue print in our genes that seperates the men from the boys when he starts to take up weight training,...This is something that "squares" like you dont seem to understand...
Go ahead Take your perfectly timed shots, with your "by the book cycle" of .and eat your 6 perfectly timed meals, get on the scale at 225lbs with a low bodyfat thinking your better than everyelse- . your still a pussy in my eyes.
I notice you totally avoided the questions
Are you an old schmo posting pictures of teen bodybuilders pretending its you?
You have a very old head on your shoulders for a 20 year old.
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My son tried to button his shirt the other day, and got upset that he couldn't get them all straight. I told him "Son, don't cry there's no such thing as failure, you just have to try again until you get it right!"
Later that night I was browsing the G&O and saw a picture of dj181. I felt like I had lied to my son, so I woke him up from his bed, and said "Son, you know what I said earlier, well it's not always true - look at this 'guy'!!!!" My son said his first "oh brother" and we had a great midnight laugh together at dj's expense.
haha ;D
Great thread .
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Damn just lift heavy no need for time under tension BS you think Dorian was measuring time under tension LOL.
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the only thing that matters in BB is D R U G S.
D R U G S.
Everything else,
E V E R Y T H I N G E L S E,
is a lie.
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Yes. Eating food is for girls and sissies. Real Bodybuilders survive on coffee and Dbol to fuel their training.
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i mean, youll laugh, but that isnt even so bad suggestion :D
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its a shame when people go out of their way to help anonymous people strictly out of passion and a bunch of negative losers have to fuck it up. I'd be pissed too...gal tapped out long ago
reminds me of this time i spent half an hour writing this entire program for this kid at the gym,..so he goes and two weeks later tells me I changed this and this I dont like this and this. Im like fuck you do what you want...
2 months later he looks the same, comes crwawling back to me apologizing. told him to give me 200 bucks and ill write him a diet/traiing program or he can stay small the rest of his life
. he complied(:
Sometimes you have to be a dick to people. we're talking 20 bucks lol
was it not you that paid tbums money for advices not so long back, how did that work out again?
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was it not you that paid tbums money for advices not so long back, how did that work out again?
local hero Ive seen your pics and your nothing special for someone as big as you and who takes what you do.....very average frame, not so great muscle bellies, bald and a below average looking face.....
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whatever can be said of me, ive never paid a rent boy for gear and training advices
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No Gal, dj needs a 10cc of self esteem EOD, 1000mg of self-confidence, and a soul transplant.
brutal post....bigcyp laying it down.
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local hero Ive seen your pics and your nothing special for someone as big as you and who takes what you do.....very average frame, not so great muscle bellies, bald and a below average looking face.....
From what I remember he looked impressive to me. One of the top competitors on here.
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dj you are never gonna look like some of the guys posting in this thread, even if you had the perfect training nutrition and drugs regime for the next 10 years it still would not happen, you dont have the genetics to look like that.
You need to set yourself actual achievable goal, someone like in the video below is what you could end up looking like if for the next couple of years you bust your ass in the gym, have a steady stream of hormones in your blood and diet smart so you dont end up a fat permabulker...
http://www.youtube.com/user/51XP4CK
Fella has same structure as you narrow clavicles small bones claims natty but anyone who knows their shit knows that aint true...
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my car is fully paid for , but its basicaly a pos on 4 wheels ;D
wannabe i wouldnt say, im exactly where i want to be, give or take 1lbs, same can be said for my co-snakeoilsalesman noone ;D
Lol epic explanation meltdown ;D
I was referring to your Cheif snake oil extractor, no one
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brutal post....bigcyp laying it down.
hahaha I missed that one.
.....soul transplant ;D
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dj you are never gonna look like some of the guys posting in this thread, even if you had the perfect training nutrition and drugs regime for the next 10 years it still would not happen, you dont have the genetics to look like that.
You need to set yourself actual achievable goal, someone like in the video below is what you could end up looking like if for the next couple of years you bust your ass in the gym, have a steady stream of hormones in your blood and diet smart so you dont end up a fat permabulker...
http://www.youtube.com/user/51XP4CK
Fella has same structure as you narrow clavicles small bones claims natty but anyone who knows their shit knows that aint true...
dude looks damn good, what's his height and weight?
i weighed all of a buck 52 in my ripped pic and i'm thinking that the most that i could possibly weigh that ripped would be a buck 70 to maybe a buck 75
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dude looks damn good, what's his height and weight?
i weighed all of a buck 52 in my ripped pic and i'm thinking that the most that i could possibly weigh that ripped would be a buck 70 to maybe a buck 75
You never gonna weigh 170 ripped.
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dude looks damn good, what's his height and weight?
i weighed all of a buck 52 in my ripped pic and i'm thinking that the most that i could possibly weigh that ripped would be a buck 70 to maybe a buck 75
He's not that big, just the illusion of low bodyfat, small bones/joints good lighting a pump etc... IIRC i think he said he was around 190 at 5'9-10. He'd be a good 20lbs lighter than that if it wasnt for the drugs though.
RE progressive overload, anyone that says it doesnt matter doesnt even understand the basics when it comes to muscle growth. Go watch some interviews with Dorian Yates where he talks about how he has records dating back to when he first started working out where he would write down every single workout and try and beat each one in some way next time... he compares it to like building a castle and adding one brick at a time.
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You never gonna weigh 170 ripped.
how do you figure?
i weighed 167 @ 8% as a natty way back when
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he could but hes too much a pussy to do whats required to get there.
;D
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how do you figure?
i weighed 167 @ 8% as a natty way back when
8% = fat.
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From what I remember he looked impressive to me. One of the top competitors on here.
thanx for the compliment, van b approved... i was never gh15 approved tho, its somthing i try to live with, gets easier day by day
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8% = fat.
lol
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haah tell that to paul dillet,the heart warming castle story
Genetic freak :D He may not have been as methodical about it as Dorian to write it all down but he would have been prgressively overloading in one way or another. Keep going to the gym and doing the same thing and the weight you are using is gonna get light to the point where you need to add weight, reps, sets whatever to actualy work the muscle hard enough to force new growth...and you can only add so much volume before it becomes detrimental. His weights when he begun training would have looked a whole lot different to when he was at his biggest, no doubt about that.
I think the problem a lot of guys make when it comes to progressiv overload they try to add weight too quickly (usually an ego thing i think where everyone wants to look the most badass in the gym) form goes to shit, end up using every muscle but the one they are trying to train, reps too low, get injured etc.. As was already state you cant just add 5lbs to your bench each time, but you do need to find a way to expose it to a stress it hasnt already grown/adapted to handle. I know a few guys like to state 'but bro im using 200lbs less on my bench and now my pecs are far bigger and more muscular than when i used to train shit heavy' If you actually analyze whats going on there when he was lifting 'shit heavy' he used momentum,bounce, tris instead of pecs and whatever else to get the weight from A to B his pecs hardly got worked at all so ofc you are gonna look better now. Its about progressive overload in a way where you allways have good form get a good pump in the area that you train... This is why the advice 'up the dosage' often does work (to an extent) your on 50mg dbol now, take it to 100 and what happens over the next few weeks... you're using more weight for the same amount of reps with the same good form on all your lifts...you're curling dumbells 20lbs hevier stict and your biceps are gonna be bigger for sure.
Also its important to actually pick fucking lifts that work for you to progressively overload to attain the look you want..i mean its great building up to a huge deadlift but thats not gonna do shit for your lats..likewise with squats for many its a better glute builder than it is quad builder.. pick lifts where when you are done the target muscle has a huge pump/burn and is all swolen the next day and progressively overload those bitches.
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RE progressive overload, anyone that says it doesnt matter doesnt even understand the basics when it comes to muscle growth.
Yes and no one even really believes it doesn't matter, no matter what they say. Almot every single bodybuilder trains so heavy they can't even perform proper reps. If load didn't matter, if we really believed it, we would all stay home and curl a broomstick. On a few grams of anabolics even a broomstick would be enough for a pump.
As far as making gains, the fact of the matter is that we all stay the same or regress most of the time. Me, you, the pros... we spend most of our time in the same fucking place. Take a look at the top pros, most have been sitting at the same muscular size for years and years. Gaining new muscle after those initial gains from a new training stimulus or drug stimulus is HARD.
It's hilarious to hear some pro say "all that matters is stimulating the muscle, the weight doesn't matter at all". Meanwhile the guy hasn't gained a single pound of muscle in a decade. "But, but, what about Serge Nubret (insert any pro known for training 'light')?" Well, how much muscle did these guys gain in the last 10 years of their careers when they continued to train using the same load and volume (assuming they didn't start a new drug such as GH or insulin)? Jack shit is usually the answer.
Like anabolic says, you can clean up your style of execution, increase volume etc and make some gains but the main stimulus for growth is still the load (within a certain rep range, everything else being equal).
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Progressive overload is important whether it be more weight less rest more sets what ever, but you can only do that for so long. Yes you are correct when you speak about the pros most haven't gained any real size in years and they never will again barring some type of new drug or upping the dose, but if upping the dose was all that was needed then Jay would come in much bigger this year and he won't. You can speak of Serge Nubret or Branch Warren, bottom line is both of those guys reached their size limit years before they have or will retire.
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Progressive overload is important whether it be more weight less rest more sets what ever, but you can only do that for so long. Yes you are correct when you speak about the pros most haven't gained any real size in years and they never will again barring some type of new drug or upping the dose, but if upping the dose was all that was needed then Jay would come in much bigger this year and he won't. You can speak of Serge Nubret or Branch Warren, bottom line is both of those guys reached their size limit years before they have or will retire.
True. Most pros are merely maintaining.
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haah tell that to paul dillet,the heart warming castle story
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very good stuff from van, disgusted, and anabolic here
also, this thing about regaining previous size takes more time than most folks say it will, at least that has been my experience
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very good stuff from van, disgusted, and anabolic here
also, this thing about regaining previous size takes more time than most folks say it will, at least that has been my experience
I've found I bounce back fairly quickly, even now that I am an old man. The trick for me is to ease back into training and not overdo it at first. Of course I am not speaking of supersized anything just fit and bigger than the average Joe.
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My son tried to button his shirt the other day, and got upset that he couldn't get them all straight. I told him "Son, don't cry there's no such thing as failure, you just have to try again until you get it right!"
Later that night I was browsing the G&O and saw a picture of dj181. I felt like I had lied to my son, so I woke him up from his bed, and said "Son, you know what I said earlier, well it's not always true - look at this 'guy'!!!!" My son said his first "oh brother" and we had a great midnight laugh together at dj's expense.
:D