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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: nicorulez on June 23, 2006, 09:38:27 PM
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Well, I have read about as much of the 190 plus gossip column that is now on sale at your local 7-11 (The ND and Hulkster hour). One interesting point is that ND himself doesn't think Dorian looked very good at the 1997 Mr. Olympia, but he defends the judging that crowned him king. Well, since it is almost ten years later and I have forgotten about the show, I wanted to see the fuss. Remember a certain Dorian fan claims he was on stage at 275 lbs at 2% bodyfat... ::) Wow, wonder who could possibly make such a claim. Well, here are links to some old pics. Now if this is 275 pounds at 2% BF, then the Ronnie Coleman of 2003 (gut and all) was 286 pounds at about a 1/2%. ;) Just thought you guys would like to kick it old school.
http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p30.htm
Here is a link to the 2003 Mr. Olympia. These are comparisons of Dorian at his highest competitive weight (grainy isn't he ::)) against Coleman at near his high weight (I know, he looks very soft...ND says so):
http://www.flexonline.com/mro/final_men_bb/index.html
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he has an incredibly wide waist at that show.
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Yates kind of reminds me of Kovacs in this pic.....tremendous.
http://www.sfd.pl/1/images2005/20050125103842.JPG
Some more Yates...I am sure these are beloved photographic evidence of his superiority that ND brings out in every other thread.
http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p96.htm
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Annnnnnnd you start another thread bitching about the 190 page thread debating Ronnie and Dorien. Which is just another debate thread.
weird?
O brother post it in the original.
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No, I don't want this to be another Ronnie versus Dorian thread. What I wanted to point out very clearly is that Dorian was not the overwhelmingly conditioned athlete that ND and Sucky were talking about. Numerous times they brought up the fact that he was 270+ and at 2% BF in 1997. Obviously, by looking at the pics, that is utter BS. Coleman, who ND states was out of condition for 2003, is obviously not in bad shape. In fact, he set a new standard for muscularity for any Mr. Olympia to that point. So no, this is not Ronnie vs Dorian because if you wanted to be just, you would only post pics of Dorian at his alltime best (1993) vs Coleman (1998/1999 if you like old Ronnie or 2003 if you like large Ronnie). This is just a thread to debunk some crap that was spewed by a poster (you all know who....sucky...cough) about how Peter McGough said such and such. Well, unless I am totolly naive (which I am not), Yates did not look particularly good that year. Now in 1993, he was awesome and I concur that he had one of the alltime great physiques.
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to bad so sad its 10 years later we should worry about ronnie winning another
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Phil Heath blows Dorian totally away and he's not even "ranked" as a top tier guy yet! I did say yet!!! This is what a chest should look like with a real bicep!
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Numerous times they brought up the fact that he was 270+ and at 2% BF in 1997. Obviously, by looking at the pics, that is utter BS.
most of what they say is utter bullshit - eg. Dorian's arms better than Ronnie's?
Please.
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most of what they say is utter bullshit - eg. Dorian's arms better than Ronnie's?
Please.
Ronnie clowns Dorian from any angle! "Please" is right!
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Dorian was awesome except for his narrow back.
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Dorian was awesome except for his narrow back.
And his narrow quads from the front looked like they were about 23"!
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No, I don't want this to be another Ronnie versus Dorian thread. What I wanted to point out very clearly is that Dorian was not the overwhelmingly conditioned athlete that ND and Sucky were talking about. Numerous times they brought up the fact that he was 270+ and at 2% BF in 1997. Obviously, by looking at the pics, that is utter BS. Coleman, who ND states was out of condition for 2003, is obviously not in bad shape. In fact, he set a new standard for muscularity for any Mr. Olympia to that point. So no, this is not Ronnie vs Dorian because if you wanted to be just, you would only post pics of Dorian at his alltime best (1993) vs Coleman (1998/1999 if you like old Ronnie or 2003 if you like large Ronnie). This is just a thread to debunk some crap that was spewed by a poster (you all know who....sucky...cough) about how Peter McGough said such and such. Well, unless I am totolly naive (which I am not), Yates did not look particularly good that year. Now in 1993, he was awesome and I concur that he had one of the alltime great physiques.
Did I say the 270+ lbs Dorian, from 97, was great? When? Where? My contention was that the 97 O Dorian, while at his all-time worse, was stil a deserving winner of that contest. His distended midsection was a liability, sure, and he lost many points for it. But STILL, his superiority was so oerwhelming that he got straight firsts from all judges. Now, you may not like this fact, Dr.Pepper, but you not liking it does not change that basic fact. Personally, I do think the 98 Olympia Ronnie is better than the 97 O Dorian and, were I a judge on a contest between the two, I would give the nod to Ronnie. Yet, Dorian WAS the fullest, dryest and densest bodybuilder on that contest, despite his distended midsection. The figure of 2% bodyfat was given by Jim Schmaltz, who was at the athlete's weight-in before the contest. Is it true? I don't know, but striations were clearly visible on his gastrocnemius muscle: you don't display striations there by having much more than 4% bodyfat - at the most! And yes, Dorian was 266 lbs for pre-judging and 274 lbs for the night show. Deal with it. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: If Dorian's distended midsection as a liability seere enough for him to lose the 97 O, then Ronnie should have lost in 2003/04 too. It goes both ways, buddy!
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How about finding some higher-quality pics from the '97 O? Those shots' resolution is PATHETIC.
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Those shots my friend are from GetBig.com themselves. Regardless the resolution, his condition was definitely not "Dorian-like." Thus, I feel the statement that he was 2% is coming totally out of someone's ass. If anything, 1994 and 1997 Dorian are bigger travesties than Ronnie 2001. At least Coleman had a semblance of taper and shape. I have always maintained that the 1993 Dorian was out of this world; he truly took it to another level that year. However, because of his overwhelming dominance that year, I feel he got the nod from the judges in latter years, as they stll remembered what he could look like. I feel that the two years that Coleman won the Mr. Olympia in less than stellar shape (2001, 2002), he got similar props from the judges. Sucky, I could care less that Dorian got straight firsts. You as well as everybody on this board knows that the best man does not always win...cough...Arnold circa 1980.....Rusty Jeffers this year. There have been many contests where the judging has been duplicitous. I can gurantee you that even if Ronnie showed up with love handles and a droopy pectorals, he would be one of the first three call-outs.
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Well, I have read about as much of the 190 plus gossip column that is now on sale at your local 7-11 (The ND and Hulkster hour). One interesting point is that ND himself doesn't think Dorian looked very good at the 1997 Mr. Olympia, but he defends the judging that crowned him king. Well, since it is almost ten years later and I have forgotten about the show, I wanted to see the fuss. Remember a certain Dorian fan claims he was on stage at 275 lbs at 2% bodyfat... ::) Wow, wonder who could possibly make such a claim. Well, here are links to some old pics. Now if this is 275 pounds at 2% BF, then the Ronnie Coleman of 2003 (gut and all) was 286 pounds at about a 1/2%. ;) Just thought you guys would like to kick it old school.
http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p30.htm
Here is a link to the 2003 Mr. Olympia. These are comparisons of Dorian at his highest competitive weight (grainy isn't he ::)) against Coleman at near his high weight (I know, he looks very soft...ND says so):
http://www.flexonline.com/mro/final_men_bb/index.html
How could I defend the judging that crowned him Mr Olympia in 1997 and say he should have lost? I personally don't think he should have won in 1997 but what do I know ? I'm only basing this on pictures & video and the fact some many of his muscles were torn. I wasn't there and seen what the judges seen and obviously they thought he was good enough he recieved straight firsts . Whats ironic is not one single person at the time had a problem with Dorian's 1997 win , no one knew he tore is tricep until after the fact and I don't recall anyone complaining that he should have lost.
In 1997 Dorian was 266lbs at the preduging and 270+ lbs at the nightshow this was reported in the magazines as far as his bodyfat percentage is concerned I don't know it wasn't reported in the magazines I had anyway conditioning was NOT a problem for Dorian in 1997 it was the torn muscles that I had an issue with and his gut was at his all time worse thats why I feel he should have lost.
The pics you posted suck very low quality here is a few from that contest and you can clearly see conditioning was not an issue for him in 97 look at this pic you can see striated glutes , his christmass tree is still sharp as ever and his lowerlats are ripped.
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His conditioning was business as usual in 97 here he is with a 270lb Nasser making him look small in this pic .
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1997 again
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how does it make him look small? Nasser had much wider shoulders and bigger arms but thats it. Legs, lats, abs - all the same to me
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infact, dorians lats basically dwarf nassers, but the shoulder width give them an illusion
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how does it make him look small? Nasser had much wider shoulders and bigger arms but thats it. Legs, lats, abs - all the same to me
In that particular shot he's making Nasser look small despite weighing the same .
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i thought you meant nasser made him look small, it was the way you worded it
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He lacked detail in his quads, hams and glutes. His back was large, but nowhere as shredded as when he was 250 pounds. His waist was distended in the relaxed poses and his arms suck. He may beat Nasser in his best abs/thighs pose, but everywhere Nasser killed him from the front. Overall, though, the 1997 show was relatively weak. However, I disagree that people did not debate Dorian's win. His wins were controversial for three out of his last four years. People may have loved his mass, but alas in 1997 the internet was nowhere what it is today. Thus, to claim his wins were without controversy is fallacy. In fact, a lot of scribes were chomping at the bit for an in shape Flex to snatch the title. Regardless, my "low rez" pics clearly show that his striations from the back compared to his alltime best were not present. Moreover, his waist was blocky and his obliques not very aesthetic.
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/977727541.jpg)
dorian was so lucky this man had a mediocre back..
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
dorian displaying his fantastic taper and quad detail..
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994047.jpg)
the man's biceps were out of this world...no, seriously, they were gone. 8)
ps- Dorian's rear double bi is mediocre especially for someone who basically won shows based on his back.. When your back is your ace in the hole, it should look a lot better than this..
(luckily for him, Nasser's was even MORE mediocre)
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He lacked detail in his quads, hams and glutes. His back was large, but nowhere as shredded as when he was 250 pounds. His waist was distended in the relaxed poses and his arms suck. He may beat Nasser in his best abs/thighs pose, but everywhere Nasser killed him from the front. Overall, though, the 1997 show was relatively weak. However, I disagree that people did not debate Dorian's win. His wins were controversial for three out of his last four years. People may have loved his mass, but alas in 1997 the internet was nowhere what it is today. Thus, to claim his wins were without controversy is fallacy. In fact, a lot of scribes were chomping at the bit for an in shape Flex to snatch the title. Regardless, my "low rez" pics clearly show that his striations from the back compared to his alltime best were not present. Moreover, his waist was blocky and his obliques not very aesthetic.
Lacked detail in his quads no kidding they were both torn at this point , his hams & glutes wern't a problem , his back was just as shredded & detailed as 93 , his waist was distended and his arms did suck at this point he had a torn bicep & tricep.
He won with straight firsts so he techinically beat Nasser everywhere , but I thnk Nasser had Dorian beat in the front double bicep shot but Dorian had him in the ab-thigh , front latspread and edged him out from the sides and left him for dead from the back
Maybe some of his wins were ' controversial ' from your personal opinion but not according to the judges who gave him straight firsts . 1997 I personally felt he should have lost , 1996 this is a figment of your imagination , some people say " oh that was Shawns contest " and my response was no it wasn't , remember before Nasser failed the diuretics test Shawn was on 3rd place and he only got bumped up to 2ns when Nasser's test came back dirty , 1995 are you shitting me? Dorian absolutely obliterated everyone in the same grand dominating fashion he did in 1993 , in 1994 there was some controversy and it WAS NOT over first it was over 2nd and 3rd , the corwds were pissed that Shawn placed 2nd over Levrone and going into the nightshow Shawn was actually trailing Kevin by I believe 3 points and neither were close to Dorian
No kidding his waist was blocky & his obliques were not aesthetic lol Dorian was never aesthetic so it strikes me odd you would use that term anyway the pictures you used were laughable the ones I posted clearly show while Yates had a lot of problems in 1997 conditioning was NOT one of them.
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dorian was so lucky this man had a mediocre back..
dorian displaying his fantastic taper and quad detail..
the man's biceps were out of this world...no, seriously, they were gone. 8)
ps- Dorian's rear double bi is mediocre especially for someone who basically won shows based on his back.. When your back is your ace in the hole, it should look a lot better than this..
(luckily for him, Nasser's was even MORE mediocre)
I laugh when I read some of the posts your make " dorian displaying fantastic taper and quad detail " genius at this point both his quads were torn no kidding he's no displaying fantastic quad detail and his taper in the standing relaxed pose from the front he may be medicore but the same shot from the back was mindblowing and his back double bicep shot in 1997 sucked but at his peak his was fantastic , again you keep insiting that Dorian must conform to an aesthetic ideal in order to win , he doesn't , Dorian never won because he had a small waist & hips and great quad sweap and the best V-taper , Dorian won because of his strenghts and not anyone elses.
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Oh no!You guys will build another loooooooooooong millions light years of thread? :o
Enough of Dorian.
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ND, you defend Dorian to the death. He had two good years. In 1995, although in shape, his arms sucked and his waist was getting that blocky look. Moreover, his legs could not hold a candle to Ronnie, not even Jay. Face it ND, the sport has moved forward. Yates will be looked at like Dickerson is now in ten more years. Hell, Ronnie will likely be considered "average" size. Unless the powers that be wake up and realize that unless healthier looking athletes are going to draw more fans in, then the sport is doomed to size at all costs. Ronnie dwarfs Dorian and is more vascular and cut to boot. I know you hate his gut, but Dorian had as egregious a gut easily. Moreover, his legs, arms and chest were no match to Ronnie. From the front, side and even back it is not very competitive if you would open your eyes. You always use the records against one another. Well, when Dorian came back to Momo he didn't magically put on twenty pounds of muscle. He refined it and gained maybe 5-7 pounds max. Ronnie from 1997 to 1998 is not even close. He would have hurt your boy and continued to do so, if Dorian would have stuck around. That is a fact. Now, if you would argue 1993 Dorian then we are talking about a good show. Regardless, Ronnie has taken size to a new dimension. In ten years, there will be guys who make Ruhl and Ronnie look average. For instance, imagine if teh powerlifter Pud (the Polish dude) took up bodybuilding seriously.
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128271322.jpg)
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128271322.jpg)
yates- "this is as close as you will ever get to a sandow".
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ND, you defend Dorian to the death. He had two good years. In 1995, although in shape, his arms sucked and his waist was getting that blocky look. Moreover, his legs could not hold a candle to Ronnie, not even Jay. Face it ND, the sport has moved forward. Yates will be looked at like Dickerson is now in ten more years. Hell, Ronnie will likely be considered "average" size. Unless the powers that be wake up and realize that unless healthier looking athletes are going to draw more fans in, then the sport is doomed to size at all costs. Ronnie dwarfs Dorian and is more vascular and cut to boot. I know you hate his gut, but Dorian had as egregious a gut easily. Moreover, his legs, arms and chest were no match to Ronnie. From the front, side and even back it is not very competitive if you would open your eyes. You always use the records against one another. Well, when Dorian came back to Momo he didn't magically put on twenty pounds of muscle. He refined it and gained maybe 5-7 pounds max. Ronnie from 1997 to 1998 is not even close. He would have hurt your boy and continued to do so, if Dorian would have stuck around. That is a fact. Now, if you would argue 1993 Dorian then we are talking about a good show. Regardless, Ronnie has taken size to a new dimension. In ten years, there will be guys who make Ruhl and Ronnie look average. For instance, imagine if teh powerlifter Pud (the Polish dude) took up bodybuilding seriously.
This is your quote No, I don't want this to be another Ronnie versus Dorian thread
and its exactly what you've turned it into ;)
When Dorian lost to Momo he was 228lbs and when Dorian beat him at the 1992 Mr Olympia he was 242lbs that my friend is a 14 pound weight gain. just a tad bigger than your ' 5-7 pound max ' ;)
Maybe the sport has ' prgogressed ' but Ronnie certainly hasn't especially not compared to 98/99/01 ;)
And 1995 Dorian oblitorated the competition the same way he did in 93 and look at this pic and tell me if Dorian's arms suck or if his waist was blocky .b ;)
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Nice pic, now show one where he is doing a front double bicep. Better yet, a standing relaxed pose. Francois is bigger. ;D
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Nice pic, now show one where he is doing a front double bicep. Better yet, a standing relaxed pose. Francois is bigger. ;D
Francios may have been bigger but was better? not in seventh place he wasn't ;)
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ND, you defend Dorian to the death. He had two good years. In 1995, although in shape, his arms sucked and his waist was getting that blocky look. Moreover, his legs could not hold a candle to Ronnie, not even Jay. Face it ND, the sport has moved forward. Yates will be looked at like Dickerson is now in ten more years. Hell, Ronnie will likely be considered "average" size. Unless the powers that be wake up and realize that unless healthier looking athletes are going to draw more fans in, then the sport is doomed to size at all costs. Ronnie dwarfs Dorian and is more vascular and cut to boot. I know you hate his gut, but Dorian had as egregious a gut easily. Moreover, his legs, arms and chest were no match to Ronnie. From the front, side and even back it is not very competitive if you would open your eyes. You always use the records against one another. Well, when Dorian came back to Momo he didn't magically put on twenty pounds of muscle. He refined it and gained maybe 5-7 pounds max. Ronnie from 1997 to 1998 is not even close. He would have hurt your boy and continued to do so, if Dorian would have stuck around. That is a fact. Now, if you would argue 1993 Dorian then we are talking about a good show. Regardless, Ronnie has taken size to a new dimension. In ten years, there will be guys who make Ruhl and Ronnie look average. For instance, imagine if teh powerlifter Pud (the Polish dude) took up bodybuilding seriously.
Wrong. This will never happen. You're forgetting that there is a limit, to Human growth, which cannot be surpassed: the bone girth. For instance, there are no amount of anabolics that would make Ronnie weight 400 lbs ripped. Why? Because his bones can't take it. Guys won't become much bigger than they are today, and there's no amount of trenbolone and IGF-1 that can change that. For guys to become bigger thn Ronnie, they'd have to have larger bones. Larger bones men less impressive muscle bellies. So, guys will be just as big, 20 years from now, as they are today, IF guys with small joints continue to dominate the pro ranks. How pathetic...an M.D should know better.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Here is a shot from the Mr. Olympia 1996; a year you feel he looked good. ::) Let's see, thighs overwhelmed by his calves. No cuts whatsoever in his thighs. He also has a gut, my oh my. ;)
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Wrong. This will never happen. You're forgetting that there is a limit, to Human growth, which cannot be surpassed: the bone girth. For instance, there are no amount of anabolics that would make Ronnie weight 400 lbs ripped. Why? Because his bones can't take it. Guys won't become much bigger than they are today, and there's no amount of trenbolone and IGF-1 that can change that. For guys to become bigger thn Ronnie, they'd have to have larger bones. Larger bones men less impressive muscle bellies. So, guys will be just as big, 20 years from now, as they are today, IF guys with small joints continue to dominate the pro ranks. How pathetic...an M.D ::) should know better.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sucky, I am confused. Where did I ever say in my original post that Ronnie would be 400 pounds. Quote me again and prove it. I am simply stating that there will be guys (maybe they will be Gunter's height...maybe Gunter ;)) who will be larger and bigger than Ronnie. If Ronnie is 30 pounds heavier than Dorian, why don't you believe with technology, drugs, diet, etc that there won't be a 330 pound dude who would dwarf Ronnie. That would be a 40 pound size advantage. It could happen, Kovacs may have done it if he wouldn't have gotten GH'ed out. The man was 400 pounds and hard; you have admitted such yourself. Now, will they look good? That is another question. I guess we will have to see what the judges at that time want. I think you need to rethink your ideas of the limitations of the human body. Who would have ever thought that a bodybuilder could weight almost 300 lbs on stage ripped twenty years ago. :o
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Here is a shot from the Mr. Olympia 1996; a year you feel he looked good. ::) Let's see, thighs overwhelmed by his calves. No cuts whatsoever in his thighs. He also has a gut, my oh my. ;)
You're pulling a Hulkster he's not even posing and that gut is about as big as Colemans at 245lbs ;) oh and can you see cuts in his quads now? ;)
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Not really, ;D
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Does that mean when you show Coleman offstage with a gut you are pulling a ND. ;D At least my pic was from the stage.
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Here is a shot from the Mr. Olympia 1996; a year you feel he looked good. ::) Let's see, thighs overwhelmed by his calves. No cuts whatsoever in his thighs. He also has a gut, my oh my. ;)
his back is facing the crowd ala rear lat or back dbl bi. obviously waiting to hit the shot, of course he is not flexing the quads.
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Does that mean when you show Coleman offstage with a gut you are pulling a ND. ;D At least my pic was from the stage.
Is this offstage? ;)
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Hah, so they both had distended guts. Isn't that what we have been saying for the last six months. My question is this, you harp on Ronnie's lack of control of his gut, why not Dorian. Hell, I have seen pics of Dex where his gut is distended, but it is in a transition from one flexed shot to another. Thus, I feel your posts reek of inequality. Ronnie may not have a Haneyesque waist, but Dorian did not either. Thus, my curiousity about why you love Dorian. He is not really a classic iron ager except for his brutally tough workouts...I seem to recall that Ronnie works out pretty hard in the gym also. ;)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=86401;image)
look at the shape of his abs under his pecs - that towel is hiding a monster convex gut.
Furthermore, if that pic is from 1995, that means it was post tear. So why does dorian have a great looking left arm in that shot? particularly the biceps.
Not sure where that pic is from, but his biceps never looked like that post tear. That pic must be morphed.
his post tear arm, even when FLEXED looks like this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy91.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy78.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy31.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy153.jpg)
look how small and short the torn bi is. there is no way that the shot posted of the torn bi looking better than Arnold's is legit.
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128271322.jpg)
ugh.
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zg.jpg)
ND loves to poke fun at Ronnie's 2001 AC gut and midsection, well here it is. And it is tiny compared to Yates.
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Hah, so they both had distended guts. Isn't that what we have been saying for the last six months. My question is this, you harp on Ronnie's lack of control of his gut, why not Dorian. Hell, I have seen pics of Dex where his gut is distended, but it is in a transition from one flexed shot to another. Thus, I feel your posts reek of inequality. Ronnie may not have a Haneyesque waist, but Dorian did not either. Thus, my curiousity about why you love Dorian. He is not really a classic iron ager except for his brutally tough workouts...I seem to recall that Ronnie works out pretty hard in the gym also. ;)
Dorian is 255lbs in that pic and Ronnie is almost 10lbs lighter with the same size gut , the difference is Dorian never had a Haneyesque waist & hips but Ronnie did and he ruined that , I remember the day Muscle & Fitness came out in 94 with the coverage of the 93 Olympia I was looking at the pics shaking my head saying " How the fuck could he win with such a wide waist and thick obliques " especially when you look at Flex Wheeler , so I've been bitching about Yates' gut for a long time now and he's never showed distenstion on Colemans level
And I'm not particulaly fond of Dorian's phsyique the general consensus was the IronAge died when Haney retired and Yates took over , I admire Dorian's size & conditioning and his work ethtic but I would never want to look like him , I think the whole sport of bodybuilding would have been better if Flex became Mr Olympia in 1993 but he didn't so I tend to comment on what took place not what I wanted to take place .
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You're pulling a Hulkster he's not even posing and that gut is about as big as Colemans at 245lbs ;) oh and can you see cuts in his quads now? ;)
yes I can - and they SUCK compared to a pro who has good quads:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/162.jpg)
ND's biggest asset to his love of Dorian is that he always posts pics of him standing alone. Its when we compare him to others that he comes up short in a lot of key areas.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
I can't belive how bad dorian's waist is in the 97 show. In order for Ronnie to look that bad, he has to outweigh Yates by 50 pounds! (270 vs 320) and not even be in contest shape yet..
Puts it into a whole different perspective..
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look at the shape of his abs under his pecs - that towel is hiding a monster convex gut.
Furthermore, if that pic is from 1995, that means it was post tear. So why does dorian have a great looking left arm in that shot? particularly the biceps.
Not sure where that pic is from, but his biceps never looked like that post tear. That pic must be morphed.
his post tear arm, even when FLEXED looks like this:
look how small and short the torn bi is. there is no way that the shot posted of the torn bi looking better than Arnold's is legit.
One the pic is NOT morphed its a scan from a Flex magazine's coverage of the 1995 Mr Olympia and Dorian did have a wide waist and thick obliques but distention on Coleman's level I don't think so here is another from the 95 Olympia find me the Coleman-type distension.
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yes I can - and they SUCK compared to a pro who has good quads:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/162.jpg)
ND's biggest asset to his love of Dorian is that he always posts pics of him standing alone. Its when we compare him to others that he comes up short in a lot of key areas.
Good quads bloated and weak calves what a combo lol but Ronnie did look great in 99.
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(http://www.body-building.ru/forums/uploads/post-2-1128271322.jpg)
the distension isn't what makes the midsection look amazingly wide. Its the genetically wide waist combined with the massive obliques hanging over the trunks... (see dorian's right hip)
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the distension isn't what makes the midsection look amazingly wide. Its the genetically wide waist combined with the massive obliques hanging over the trunks... (see dorian's right hip)
News Flash : This just in :Wide waist & Thick oblqiues make Dorian's midsection look amazingly wide lol you had to think of that one? no fucking shit thick obliques and a naturaly wide waist will make a bodybuilders midsection look amazingly wide lol
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Once again ND, I don't understand why you were on his jock for that 190 page thread. He has average taper, no arms and only decent quads. His hams are good, not great, and he has amazing calves and back. Thus, he is an amalgamation of diverse bodyparts similar to what you group Ronnie into. I realize that noone is perfect; hell, not even Arnold or Sergio. However, he really is a freaky collection of average bodyparts juxtaposed to amazing parts. The flow really isn't there. I agree, Ronnie has a gut and average calves (no shape, but large). However, he has more freaky bodyparts and comes into the Olympia the past few years in shape (he overdid in 2004 trying to be 296 lbs). Overall, I feel that Dorian came closest to presenting his full potential in 1993; he rocked that year. However, he seemed to slip afterward. In 2005, the pics you show make him appear good, although his left arm was already torn so I don't see how that is a pic from 2005. Unfortunately, there are very few pics on the net of that show. I showed pics that show that he was really not all that in 1996/1997. So, once again, why do you "Jones" on Dorian so much. I would think you would prefer Labrada or even Levrone.
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i have the tape of the 97 Olympia, and it is pretty apparent after watching it, that yates was the clear winner.
by the way for the 97 O, dorian had several problems, a tear in his tri and his stomach and couldnt come in his best condition, bc those things impacted his training. yet, he still trained and hoped for the best.
maybe he got the win bc he was the current mr. o, but no one really deserved to beat him overall. just bc nasser looks better in the front double bi, he shouldnt have won. besides, yates really does beat him in the video. cant always go by pics. (especially ones of shitty quality posted online.)
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ND is very consistant in his love for classical type physiques.
he loves:
Frank Zane
Lee Labrada
Samir Bannout
and this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy78.jpg)
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Personally, with all the mounting pics, videos and popular opinion showing that the amazing detail taper shape and vascularity differences that Ronnie possesses over yates that ND is not so much "pro-dorian: as he is "anti Ronnie"
seriously.
Look at the complaint thread over on the complaint board: outsiders to the thread cannot understand why anyone would ever think that Dorian was better than Ronnie.
they are like night and day to most people: dorian had a comparatively poor taper, detail in most bodyparts, poor muscle shape (arms, quads, chest), a mediocre (at least compared to Ronnie) back double biceps pose in the opinion of everyone except for ND and suckmyasshole, etc etc.
I am of the opinion that if I started a Mickey Mouse vs. Ronnie Coleman thread, ND would be prepared to argue for 3234 pages that Mickey has a better physique than Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=76821;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=79967;image)
in the opinion of most sane people, there is no debate if you stick to the judging criteria of awarding points for detail, shape, taper and vascularity (size is fairly even on both sides so it doesn't really play a role in the debate).
ND is simply as anti-ronnie as you can get.
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ND is very consistant in his love for classical type physiques.
he loves:
Frank Zane
Lee Labrada
Samir Bannout
and this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy78.jpg)
::)
Personally, with all the mounting pics, videos and popular opinion showing that the amazing detail taper shape and vascularity differences that Ronnie possesses over yates that ND is not so much "pro-dorian: as he is "anti Ronnie"
seriously.
Look at the complaint thread over on the complaint board: outsiders to the thread cannot understand why anyone would ever think that Dorian was better than Ronnie.
they are like night and day to most people: dorian had a comparatively poor taper, detail in most bodyparts, poor muscle shape (arms, quads, chest), a mediocre (at least compared to Ronnie) back double biceps pose in the opinion of everyone except for ND and suckmyasshole, etc etc.
I am of the opinion that if I started a Mickey Mouse vs. Ronnie Coleman thread, ND would be prepared to argue for 3234 pages that Mickey has a better physique than Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=76821;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=79967;image)
in the opinion of most sane people, there is no debate if you stick to the judging criteria of awarding points for detail, shape, taper and vascularity (size is fairly even on both sides so it doesn't really play a role in the debate).
ND is simply as anti-ronnie as you can get.
Anti-Ronnie ? lol
Have I ever made fun of the way Ronnie speaks or the way he articulates himself? no
Have I never given Ronnie his due credit? no Ronnie from 96 to 01 Arnold Classic gets credit past that he doesn't
Have I been redeuced calling Ronnie names? no but you have of Dorian
Have I ever said Ronnie was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time? no but you have of Dorian
The pot calling the kettle black you're so blatantly Dorian-biased its pathteic , you've reffered to Dorian as the " blocky white guy " the " construction worker " as the " most overrated bodybuilder of all time " you're so wrapped up in hating Dorian its caused blindness , you've been reduced to saying " he looks good alone but standing next to other bodybuilders he looks ordinary " yet he recieved almost straight firsts in the symmetry & musclarity rounds in every Mr Olympia , there is a HUGE difference between feeling Ronnie would beat Dorian and the lenghts you and pumpster go , so take a look in the mirrior before you make claims that I'm anti-Ronnie ;)
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anyone who argues something as ridiculous as Dorian having better overall arms than Ronnie is certainly anti-Ronnie.
Or argues that Arnold had better quads than a peak Ronnie is certainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that in 2003 ronnie's quads, glutes and hams were a flaw is cetainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie has small traps from the front is certainly anti Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie has small forearms for his biceps and triceps is certainly anti Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie's delts overpower his bis and tris is certainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie in 1996 was basically the same as Ronnie in 1998 or 1999 is certainly anti-Ronnie..
Or...
Can anyone see a pattern here?
Sorry ND, you can't deny the facts.
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anyone who argues something as ridiculous as Dorian having better overall arms than Ronnie is certainly anti-Ronnie.
Or argues that Arnold had better quads than a peak Ronnie is certainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that in 2003 ronnie's quads, glutes and hams were a flaw is cetainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie has small traps from the front is certainly anti Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie has small forearms for his biceps and triceps is certainly anti Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie's delts overpower his bis and tris is certainly anti-Ronnie
Or argues that Ronnie in 1996 was basically the same as Ronnie in 1998 or 1999 is certainly anti-Ronnie..
Or...
Can anyone see a pattern here?
Sorry ND, you can't deny the facts.
LMFAO one who argues Ronnie doesn't have good muscle balance & proportion is " anti-Ronnie " you're a tool !! some times you present a decent argument and seem logical but most of the time you're just a looking for new recruits in Camp-Delusional , you think the more people agree with you the more validation your opinion carries , your opinion is an anagalmation of other peoples opinions you take what they say and run with it , you don't have any confidence in your own opinion and need other people to think for you and you wouldn't know a fact if Ronnie himself told you it .
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one who argues Ronnie doesn't have good muscle balance & proportion is " anti-Ronnie "
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026848_283.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc104.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp0029.jpg)
yes.
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yes.
You my friend do not know what balance & proportion are and its assesed in all of the mandatory poses FYI and at one time Ronnie was a lot better than it is now but still not as good as Dorians in my opinion.
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and its accessed in all of the mandatory poses
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/olympia/coleman1.jpg)
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/olympia/coleman5.jpg)
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/olympia/coleman3.jpg)
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/olympia/coleman12.jpg)
and the problem is...
Peak Ronnie had fantastic balance and proportion, other than the calves.
but it is the shape and taper that gives him such an advantage in the proportion department over dorian: it is traditional to have well shape delts, quads with sweep, small waist, etc etc.
Dorian suffered greatly compared to Ronnie when it came to things like this.
There is a lot more to it than just having no bodyparts that overpower one another.
The shape of the parts and the overall body taper are just as important.
Ask Chris Cormier - about as perfectly balanced as you can get, but suffers in the taper department because he is narrow onstage next to guys like Ronnie.
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Where is ND? He must be finishing off dorian's tubeshake right now :-*
anyway, I stand by my comments (with proof) that Ronnie at his peak was well balanced and proportioned.
But things changed at 297 pounds when he lost his tiny waist and great lines.
Changed his whole look completely
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=86401;image)
look at the shape of his abs under his pecs - that towel is hiding a monster convex gut.
Furthermore, if that pic is from 1995, that means it was post tear. So why does dorian have a great looking left arm in that shot? particularly the biceps.
Not sure where that pic is from, but his biceps never looked like that post tear. That pic must be morphed.
his post tear arm, even when FLEXED looks like this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy91.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy78.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy31.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy153.jpg)
look how small and short the torn bi is. there is no way that the shot posted of the torn bi looking better than Arnold's is legit.
hulkster, the pic is from the december 95 flex mag, mr o coverage, PAGE 139 THE PIC IS REAL.
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the fact that the pic is real is really really sad...
dorian's arm looks better relaxed than flexed :-\
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Yates kind of reminds me of Kovacs in this pic.....tremendous.
http://www.sfd.pl/1/images2005/20050125103842.JPG
This pic REMINDS you of Kovacs because it IS of Kovacs.
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Saying that Dorian was unconditioned at the 1997 Olympia is not reasonable. His waist was wide, but he still had incredible abdominal definition for a 270+ lbs man. And like I pointed out in another thread, the torn left triceps and biceps were only apparent in the front double biceps, so I understand why Yates won.
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Yates 'winning' the 1997 Mr Olympia remains the most disgraceful stain in the history of the sport.
Yates looked like a revolting piece of shit. He had torn, hideous arms with no muscle actually on the bones! He had a puke inducing gut that looked like he was having kittens (or maybe it was just the cum of the many judges he fellated with his convict mouth) and his quads were like something an AIDS patient would have.
He conditioning was off too and he had zero hamstrings. He only beat Nasser on lower back as the Egyptian/Slavic muscleman with a masters degree matched the scumbag on lat width and thickness.
Yates was placed as low as 4th overall by some judges yet their scorecards were torn up (like Yates' hideous tattooed body) and they used the scorecards of Yates' personal friends.
Total outrage. Yates should be fucking ashamed to have accepted that Sandow but what do you expect from a convicted racist criminal?
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Yates 'winning' the 1997 Mr Olympia remains the most disgraceful stain in the history of the sport.
Yates looked like a revolting piece of shit.
Pithy. He was as they say, the Columbu of the 90s. These comparisons with other more deserving BBs leave the bricklayer a laughing stock.
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Sadly in many of those "wins", this was the closest matchup:
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=86420;image)
Dorian looks unbeatable there.
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Isnt this supposed to b about Dorian and not the Dorian vs Ronnie shit again???
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Here is a shot from the Mr. Olympia 1996; a year you feel he looked good. ::) Let's see, thighs overwhelmed by his calves. No cuts whatsoever in his thighs. He also has a gut, my oh my. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=86413;image)
I can forgive him all that, but it still incenses me that ND claims perfect delt-arm symmetry on Dorian's part, and claims Ronnie's arms are too big for his delts. When his delts are just as huge as his arms!
(http://www.culturismowebs.es/picture_library/ronnie-coleman-foto.jpg)
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Yates 'winning' the 1997 Mr Olympia remains the most disgraceful stain in the history of the sport.
Yates looked like a revolting piece of shit. He had torn, hideous arms with no muscle actually on the bones! He had a puke inducing gut that looked like he was having kittens (or maybe it was just the cum of the many judges he fellated with his convict mouth) and his quads were like something an AIDS patient would have.
He conditioning was off too and he had zero hamstrings. He only beat Nasser on lower back as the Egyptian/Slavic muscleman with a masters degree matched the scumbag on lat width and thickness.
Yates was placed as low as 4th overall by some judges yet their scorecards were torn up (like Yates' hideous tattooed body) and they used the scorecards of Yates' personal friends.
Total outrage. Yates should be fucking ashamed to have accepted that Sandow but what do you expect from a convicted racist criminal?
Hahahahahahahahahaahhaa, bump for hilariously exagerated take on the truth.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=86413;image)
I can forgive him all that, but it still incenses me that ND claims perfect delt-arm symmetry on Dorian's part, and claims Ronnie's arms are too big for his delts. When his delts are just as huge as his arms!
(http://www.culturismowebs.es/picture_library/ronnie-coleman-foto.jpg)
ND is a complete and utter moron.
just look: every thread he posts in he gets owned. by me and so many others.
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this is one of the best posts I have ever seen from just the other day:
Nastysissy diety why is it everytime i open a thread you are being owned? you a like a prison bitch or something, passed around by men who use you and discard you.
Yates had so many proportion and symmetry issues it;s frightening.
for a start his back was out of proportion with all else.
he had no arms, just torn to shit, disgusting lumps of bone.
he had AIDS man quads. shitty child legs totally overshadowed by calves.
his gut was out of control. his abs were disgusting and all over the place.
he looked like a dog shit that had been in the sun all day and some kids stir it around with twigs.
bwahahahahahaah
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This pic REMINDS you of Kovacs because it IS of Kovacs.
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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dorian 97 from muscletime: :'(
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He was the clear winner, even with the torn muscles.
No one even came close from the back.
Great posing too, unlike Nasser.
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Good picture posted by Hulkster of Dorian and Shawn standing relaxed. Shawn cannot touch him. Torso too long, legs the same girth from top to bottom (shapeless like Ronnie's oversized melons in their own way), pecs flat, lack of fullness to the lats - all he has is a narrower waist but with his long torso its academic. Once again you show you lack the deeper understanding of what a physique should look like. Dorian has a far superior structure to Shawn or Ronnie in terms of relative limb and torso length, origins and insertions of quads, sartorius development and the subsequent balance from top to bottom (quads shouldn't be one big mass), pec line, abs, rib cage etc. They have both displayed guts so its a moot point. You've never seen the two compete head to head, you have no idea what the result would be or what they looked like side by side in person - it wasn't close and this was a Coleman with the deeper cuts he has long since lost. Ronnie narrowly beat a subpar Flex Wheeler in 98 yet Yates destroyed a best ever Flex. You're blinded, retarded and your man love for Ronnie is clear for all to see. I'll piss on your skull then eat it. LMAO, this is too easy. Try your best son ;)
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He was the clear winner, even with the torn muscles.
::)
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I admit that I'm no judge but based on every picture I've seen..Nasser is beating Yates.
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shawn couldn't touch him my ass.. ::)
this is amazing:
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I admit that I'm no judge but based on every picture I've seen..Nasser is beating Yates.
And not only in 97!
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And not only in 97!
You're out of your fucking mind if you think ANYONE stood a shot in 1995 ! Nasser and everyone else was soundly defeated. in 1997 you could make a case for Nasser winning a few poses but 1995 he was outclassed.
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
How creepy is that painting of Weider in the background? :-\
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Nastysissy diety why is it everytime i open a thread you are being owned? you a like a prison bitch or something, passed around by men who use you and discard you.Yates had so many proportion and symmetry issues it;s frightening.
for a start his back was out of proportion with all else.
he had no arms, just torn to shit, disgusting lumps of bone.
he had AIDS man quads. shitty child legs totally overshadowed by calves.
his gut was out of control. his abs were disgusting and all over the place.
he looked like a dog shit that had been in the sun all day and some kids stir it around with twigs.
this gets funnier and funnier every time I read it!
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Dorian has a far superior structure to Shawn or Ronnie in terms of relative limb and torso length, origins and insertions of quads, sartorius development and the subsequent balance from top to bottom (quads shouldn't be one big mass), pec line, abs, rib cage etc.
Better structure with bricklayer tapers that Schwarzenegger went out of his way to criticize as "not classic BB"..sure.. ::)
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Better structure with bricklayer taper that Schwarzenegger went out of his way to criticize as "not classic BB"..sure.. ::)
You keep insisting Schwazenegger critiqued his physique he didn't , he lamented on Yates' not doing enough to promote the sport and returning back to the UK after he won stop making shit up .
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You keep insisting Schwazenegger critiqued his physique he didn't , he lamented on Yates' not doing enough to promote the sport and returning back to the UK after he won stop making shit up .
Arnold was pissy that Dorian kept snubbing his show.
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You keep insisting Schwazenegger critiqued his physique he didn't , he lamented on Yates' not doing enough to promote the sport and returning back to the UK after he won stop making shit up .
During the same interview he also criticized the current physiques of the day, indirectly speaking on Yates.
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this gets funnier and funnier every time I read it!
How about this? ;)
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
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During the same interview he also criticized the current physiques of the day, indirectly speaking on Yates.
Indirectly my ass ! stop making shit up . it shows you're working with nothing.
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Arnold was pissy that Dorian kept snubbing his show.
Exactly !
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Indirectly my ass ! stop making shit up . it shows you're working with nothing.
There was a thread specifically on this here 4-6 weeks ago, referencing that mid-90s magazine article interview, actually.
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There was a thread specifically on this here 4-6 weeks ago, referencing that mid-90s magazine article interview, actually.
I don't care if it was referencing it , you keep insisting he attacked Dorian's physique and thats not true as usual you have to make things up.
Arnold was critical of Yates and his ' lack ' of promoting the sport and returning back to the U.K after a contest and how the current scene didn't have any characters and it showed how out of touch Arnold was with the sport because Yates was promoting HIT/Heavy Duty so he wad wrong in that aspect.
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How about this? ;)
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Yeah....read between the lines. He doesn't say he thinks Dorian was better, just that they would have kept giving him the title
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Yeah....read between the lines. He doesn't say he thinks Dorian was better, just that they would have kept giving him the title
I don't have to read between anything its right there in black & white ! he knows Yates was better ;) this is the same guy who say Jay Cutler would have to be reborn with better genetics to ever beat him and he was on crack to think he was good enough to beat him , oh and lets not forget when Gunther beat him he said he was robbed . Ronnie respects Dorian for a very good reason.
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Yeah....read between the lines. He doesn't say he thinks Dorian was better, just that they would have kept giving him the title
no shit.
but ND is not capable of understanding anything that is not explicity laid out before him..
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its part of why his (lack of) reading comprehension skills get commented on so much.
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no shit.
but ND is not capable of understanding anything that is not explicity laid out before him..
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its part of why his (lack of) reading comprehension skills get commented on so much.
I understand Ronnie fears Dorian loser ! he had an opportunity to claim the contrary he didn't Yates routinely beat him Ronnie knows who is better ;)
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Nastysissy diety why is it everytime i open a thread you are being owned? you a like a prison bitch or something, passed around by men who use you and discard you.
how very true...as this thread shows
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NO version of Ronnie could touch this not the small 244 pound 2001 or the massive and soft 2003 Dorian blows Ronnie out of the water in balanced development , dryness , density and thickness .
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how very true...as this thread shows
I notice all the losers tend to flock together lol Nasser the multiple loser , Ronnie the other loser who could never beat Yates lol Hulkster the big loser of the truce thread I own all of you. ;)
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ND you are a sad man.
you ran away from the truce thread only to try and continue your campaign on a less hostile thread.
well guess what? you are getting owned here just as bad as over there!
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I don't have to read between anything its right there in black & white ! he knows Yates was better ;) this is the same guy who say Jay Cutler would have to be reborn with better genetics to ever beat him and he was on crack to think he was good enough to beat him , oh and lets not forget when Gunther beat him he said he was robbed . Ronnie respects Dorian for a very good reason.
Man, you're a dumbass.
You've never heard of someone being humble?
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I don't have to read between anything its right there in black & white ! he knows Yates was better ;) this is the same guy who say Jay Cutler would have to be reborn with better genetics to ever beat him and he was on crack to think he was good enough to beat him , oh and lets not forget when Gunther beat him he said he was robbed . Ronnie respects Dorian for a very good reason.
ND, take into account that when Ronnie made his statements regarding Fridge Cutler, he already had solidified his win ratio and as a result had far more confidence in his positioning than he had had shortly after Dorian's retirement.
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ND you are a sad man.
you ran away from the truce thread only to try and continue your campaign on a less hostile thread.
well guess what? you are getting owned here just as bad as over there!
LMFAO you should work for Fox and their ' no spin ' bullshit I own you like Dorian owns Ronnie
Dorian crushes Ronnie in this pose its NO contest
Where is Ronnie beating Dorian? muscular bulk? NO Dorian is 269 pounds Ronnie is 244 pounds - advantage Yates
Balanced development? NO Dorian crushes Ronnie and his mis-matched parts - advantage Yates
Conditioning? NO if anything its equal and thats being fair - push
Posing & presentation? NO Dorian crushes Ronnie here - advantage Yates
Weakness? NO Dorian doesn't have any in this shot Ronnie has several - advantage Yates
Dorian is the IFBB judging criteria for this pose for you to think little Ronnie comes close shows how ignorant you are about compatitive bodybuilding !
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ND, take into account that when Ronnie made his statements regarding Fridge Cutler, he already had solidified his win ratio and as a result had far more confidence in his positioning than he had had shortly after Dorian's retirement.
The Special Ed comment was late 2007 so thats no excuse . again Ronnie has a lot of respect for Dorian something he doesn't have for any of his other contemporaries.
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we can all see how blind ND is because Ronnie is killing dorian here.
better taper.
thicker back.
better arms.
better glutes
better hams
great detail
dorian has better calves. thats it. ::)
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but enough dorian vs Ronnie - there is a 1700 page thread for this that ND ran away from because he lost so bad and is afraid to go near.
lets get back to the topic at hand:
exposing dorian's overratedness and the collective owning of ND.
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we can all see how blind ND is because Ronnie is killing dorian here.
better taper.
thicker back.
better arms.
better glutes
better hams
great detail
dorian has better calves. thats it. ::)
Better taper paper ' advantage '
Thicker back? retarded statement of the year , NO fucking way in Hell a 244 pound Ronnie has a thicker back than a 269 pound Dorian Yates again this statement is up there with your Ronnie has more detailed calves bullshit
Better arms? Again screams of ignorance better biceps sure , triceps/forearms and arm balance no way
Better glutes? WTF both are striated how you came to the conclusion Ronnie's is better I don't want to know , but you can keep that one
Better hams ? bullshit again ignorance at its best explain to me in detail how they're better
Greater detail? ::) another attempt at trying to fluff up ' advantages ' we don't play with imaginary advantages on what YOU think wins contests , we deal with the official IFBB judging criteria and thats is Dorian Yates kid
Muscular Bulk , Balanced Development , Density & Dryness , Posing & presentation Dorian kills Ronnie in this pose its not open for debate.
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but enough dorian vs Ronnie - there is a 1700 page thread for this that ND ran away from because he lost so bad and is afraid to go near.
lets get back to the topic at hand:
exposing dorian's overratedness and the collective owning of ND.
Of course you had enough , enough of me battering you with facts and statements from your own hero saying he could never beat Yates . !!
you're not in my league kid ;) you fear me like Ronnie fears Dorian.
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okay Prison Bitch
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ND, can you not see that the whole fucking board is owning you, yet AGAIN?
ahahhahahahahaha
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Why don't you two get frickin' married already.
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sorry I'm not into prison bitches.
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whats really funny and sad is that ND's cowardly departure from the dorian ronnie wars is timed perfectly with the emergence of TONS of muscletime pics showing how overrated Dorian was.
coincidence?
fuck no.
what a coward.
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ND, can you not see that the whole fucking board is owning you, yet AGAIN?
ahahhahahahahaha
I love how you can't offer up anything in the way of proof I mean using the Official IFBB judging criteria to supplement your ' argument ' you just claim empty victories and kiss anyones ass who will agree with you and think you accomplished something .
I own you via IFBB & your own hero you can't touch this and never could .
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NO version of Ronnie could touch this not the small 244 pound 2001 or the massive and soft 2003 Dorian blows Ronnie out of the water in balanced development , dryness , density and thickness .
Agreed.
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whats really funny and sad is that ND's cowardly departure from the dorian ronnie wars is timed perfectly with the emergence of TONS of muscletime pics showing how overrated Dorian was.
coincidence?
fuck no.
what a coward.
Overrated Ronnie doesn't seem to think so ;) and again I didn't depart anywhere I'm still here you're still wrong and Ronnie still thinks he couldn't beat Dorian lol
how about when the 1993 pre-contest footage was posted and everyone was giving mad props to Dorian and you were melting down every post? forgot about that? lol I didn't ;) and these new B&W pics left people gasping like the did in 1993 , you show pics of Dorian 1997 and think you accomplished something? I don't post pics of Ronnie 2007 because that doesn't prove anything you NEED to try and break Yates down for a reason
Dorian at his best crushes Ronnie , Nasser and anyone else you can come up with.
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IT *IS* interesting that ND disappeared awhile ago in the midst of 4-5 threads by non-truce members essentially pummeling the construction worker...coincidence? :P
Classic structure... :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X
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ND disappeared awhile ago, in the midst of 4-5 threads by non-truce members essentially pummeling the construction worker...coincidence? :P
Classic structure...bwahahahaaha hahahahahaha
I went no where stop making shit up , seriously. nothing you idiots can post will make me stop posting I caused all of YOU to have meltdowns not the other way around lol ;)
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Unbeatable:
(http://www.dorianyates.net/merchandise/full-length-poster.jpg)
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Keep posting pictures of Dorian not at his best , it shows you FEAR great pictures of Dorian for a very good reason , at his best Dorian was leaps & bounds ahead of anyone including any version of Ronnie post Yates era .
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Unbeatable:
(http://www.dorianyates.net/merchandise/full-length-poster.jpg)
Right ! unbeatable from any angle.
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Right ! unbeatable from any angle.
Now that's a complete physique. Same can't be said about Ronnie.
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Now that's a complete physique. Same can't be said about Ronnie.
Right!
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its so sad that you think that a Mr. O with quads, arms/delts with so little detail and so little shape/refinement has a 'complete' physique..
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honestly, have you ever stopped to compare your 'complete' (sic) physique with someone else?
no?
here, let me help you:
tell us, now how 'complete' does your hero look?
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its so sad that you think that a Mr. O with quads, arms/delts with so little detail and so little shape/refinement has a 'complete' physique..
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honestly, have you ever stopped to compare your 'complete' (sic) physique with someone else?
no?
here, let me help you:
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No wonder why you think Ronnie is better LMFAO look at your ' comparison ' Ronnie's calves are bigger than a 269 pound Dorian Yates LMMFAO
stop trying to add up parts too thats NOT how contests are judged you'd know this if you knew the first thing about competitive bodybuilding , countdown to the PHOTOSHOPPED pics from 1999 which Ronnie has said was NOT his best Olympia showing because his conditioning was better in 1998 ;)
again try using the OFFICIAL IFBB JUDGING CRITERIA Dorian blows any Ronnie away.
sorry - Hulkster = fail
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so much for a 'complete' physique LOL
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No wonder why you think Ronnie is better LMFAO look at your ' comparison ' Ronnie's calves are bigger than a 269 pound Dorian Yates LMMFAO
stop trying to add up parts too thats NOT how contests are judged you'd know this if you knew the first thing about competitive bodybuilding , countdown to the PHOTOSHOPPED pics from 1999 which Ronnie has said was NOT his best Olympia showing because his conditioning was better in 1998 ;)
again try using the OFFICIAL IFBB JUDGING CRITERIA Dorian blows any Ronnie away.
sorry - Hulkster = fail
great retort from another monster owning ND..
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shots like this drive ND crazy: because they blow even dorian's famous precontest black and white shots off the map.
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great retort from another monster owning ND..
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Thanks for proving my point when confronted with facts Hulkster regresses into nonsense and dribble .
monster owning what a jackass - Ronnie's calves are bigger than a 269 pound Dorian Yates and you have the balls to type ' monster owning ' lol just pathetic.
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Thanks for proving my point when confronted with facts Hulkster regresses into nonsense and dribble .
oh the irony ::)
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shots like this drive ND crazy: because they blow even dorian's famous precontest black and white shots off the map.
No shot of Ronnie drives me crazy , especially not 1999 he's still smaller than Yates , he's still not as dry & hard he's still lags behind in balance & proportion , he still can't pose to save his ass .
I don't need to post bad shots of Ronnie like you do of Yates because I don't fear any shot of him , Ronnie has advantages over Dorian YES but according to the IFBB criteria as a whole when all things are considered Dorian beats him ! any year 98/99/01/03 you pick it Dorian beats it.
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oh the irony ::)
No irony , I back my claims up with facts something you've yet to do , you never once proved Ronnie was hard or drier than Dorian ( I did ) you never once proved Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian ( I did ) you never proved Ronnie was a better poser , you've done nothing in the way of presenting a coherent argument using the criteria the judges do , you post pictures and simply make blanket statements . again your words are empty hence why you can't walk away and are begging for anyone to agree with you in some half-assed argument ad-populum majority opinion win lol
you can't do what I did and never could , Dorian beats Ronnie because he simply satisfies the criteria better .
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KABOOM!
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tell me about it..
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Yet another schooling by ND on Hulkster. Pithy
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/press_release_bsn_c.jpg)
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oh boy. Pubes is back coming to ND's rescue..
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tell me about it..
lol Dorian's left bicep is less than 1/3 the size of Ronnie's.. And this guy was crowned Mr. O with that kind of tear? :-\
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oh boy. Pubes is back coming to ND's rescue..
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It's simply hilarious sitting back and seeing just how sick you are. Your life is basically nothing without the Truce thread as you keep bumping it just to keep it going LOL.
(http://blogs.nypost.com/40by40/photos/loser.jpg)
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lol Dorian's left bicep is less than 1/3 the size of Ronnie's.. And this guy was crowned Mr. O with that kind of tear? :-\
we must remember that dorian never faced anything remotely close to what 98/99 Ronnie presented. 8)
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do these arms break the massive 17inch barrier?
average gym rat whos done a couple cycles can easily own dorian's arms
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lol Dorian's left bicep is less than 1/3 the size of Ronnie's.. And this guy was crowned Mr. O with that kind of tear? :-\
That says it all about "fair" contest results and better BBs getting shafted..i give you the Columbu of the 90s.
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It's simply hilarious sitting back and seeing just how sick you are. Your life is basically nothing without the Truce thread as you keep bumping it just to keep it going LOL.
It's interesting that you seem sufficiently infatuated to trail him around.. :-*
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do these arms break the massive 17inch barrier?
average gym rat whos done a couple cycles can easily own dorian's arms
the torn arm wasn't much worse than the other one lol
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It's interesting that you seem sufficiently infatuated to trail him around.. :-*
Odd, considering that's what you seem to do on here nonstop; additionally, I haven't posted here in several months. With a few quick searches it seems I'm not the only one questioning his mental status. LOL.
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It's simply hilarious sitting back and seeing just how sick you are. Your life is basically nothing without the Truce thread as you keep bumping it just to keep it going LOL.
This is a great post ! seriously it is because its dead accurate. he has no life he follows me around like you said bumping this topic up over & over and why? because he's so insecure about his opinion he can't leave it alone his whole GetBig life is this topic . but the very best part of all of this is he's wrong and proven wrong by his own hero and he begs anyone to agree with him like that will somehow void Ronnie's admission that Yates would beat him lol
I can sum up Hulkster's anger with one sentence from someone after the pre-contest footage was posted.
" Looks like ND was right and Hulkster wasted 2 years of his life for nothing. " LMMFAO but the very best part is Ronnie Coleman the greatest bodybuilder of all-time , the man who won 8 straight Mr Olympias and has the most IFBB pro wins of all-time said NOT once mind you but twice that Dorian would beat him. lol now you know why Hulkster is so bitter.
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Odd, considering that's what you seem to do on here nonstop; additionally, I haven't posted here in several months. With a few quick searches it seems I'm not the only one questioning his mental status. LOL.
Another great post ! pointing out the obvious hypocrisy with pumpster the troll he's projecting his own lap-dog mentality and turns every post into a vehicle for his own hate.
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we must remember that dorian never faced anything remotely close to what 98/99 Ronnie presented. 8)
No he faced better ..................1993 Flex Wheeler and destroyed him ;) Flex Wheeler said he he replicated his 1998 Arnold Classic showing he would have easily beaten Ronnie 1998 , nevermind how he looked in 1993 which was the best he's ever looked . Ronnie Coleman never faced anyone like Dorian Yates ...............oh wait he did and lost 8 times lol
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This thread seems eerily similar to another "small" thread here... ::)
Please stop now. >:(
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Nasser was better than Dorian from the front? How can anyone look at this picture and say that ??? Dorian's lats are wider, his abdominals are more defined and his quads are equal. The only thing Nasser has on him is taper, but that's not enough to make him better.
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Nasser was better than Dorian from the front? How can anyone look at this picture and say that ??? Dorian's lats are wider, his abdominals are more defined and his quads are equal. The only thing Nasser has on him is taper, but that's not enough to make him better.
Nasser clearly better in all of these..
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Nasser clearly better in all of these..
So you post a picture of a front double biceps and that's supposed to prove Nasser was better from the front? The front double biceps is only one of the three front mandatories. What about the abs-and-thighs and front lat spread, where Dorian was vastly superior to Nasser? And you ar eout of your mind if you think Nasser was better than Yates on the back double biceps. Please stop it. Just stop it. :-X
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Nasser clearly better in all of these..
All of these? there is just two pictures great job trying to fluff up your ' opinion ' ::)
The fact that you think Nasser is not comparable in these but as you like to claim ' clearly better ' shows juts how little you know about competitive bodybuilding , which isn't much.
lets address the first picture the front double biceps shot first of all Nasser is closer to the camera and Dorian is set off to the back somewhat , second the ONLY advantage Nasser has in this shot is biceps . Nasser is actually quite comparable in this shot but you can see his structural flaws in this shot especially in terms of torso length , and short legs couple that with his forearms which aren't proportionate in relation to his biceps/triceps ( Coleman has the same flaw ) and trust me when the IFBB judges are looking for ' balanced development ' these things come into play
Again Nasser is actually doing pretty well in the front double biceps shot , however two areas he clearly lags behind is density & dryness. especially in 1995 , he was huge but soft especially from the back he may appear aesthetically to be beating Yates in this pose however when all things are considered ( remember in the IFBB all rounds are physique rounds ) Dorian is beating him. add in muscular bulk AND ( key word pay attention ) muscle density & dryness , balanced development , posing & presentation , Dorian wins this shot .
And the back double biceps shot , the fact you people keep posting this and claiming Dorian is getting beat shows proof positive how insanely delusional and ignorant you are about competitive bodybuilding you are , you , Sharma , BigBobs , Hulkster and our other resident moron in exile squadfather all claimed Dorian is getting beat in this shot and its lunacy its not even open for discussion its retarded , the front double biceps shot I bothered explaining in detail because Nasser is actually holding his own to a point but this is no contest
You put a close up of their delts & arms as proof that Nasser is ' clearly better ' which shows your ignorance ( again ) points to ponder my dim witted little friend ; Yates' arms ( like Ronnie's in 2002 ) were smaller than usual from being depleted and you pointed out the obvious , they're smaller than Nassers lol no shit he is smaller than Nasser , Nasser's arms better be bigger he's much heavier than Yates that year but thats all a matter of semantics because the bottom line is this Dorian's back absolutely blows Nassers out of the water its not even close with the exception of width and again it better be he's much heavier .
Besides the obvious Dorian is much harder & drier than Nasser its night & day and seeing all rounds & physique rounds and all of the criteria is observed in every single pose Dorian again wins this pose no questions asked .
In closing I don't expect you to respond to this because you can't , you'd have to know what you're talking about in order to reply and you don't that is a proven fact , but in any case I enjoy correcting you and teaching you about competitive bodybuilding.
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Dorian > Nasser.
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lol
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Dorian > Nasser.
Obviously. Why is there even a discussion about this?
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Obviously. Why is there even a discussion about this?
because it is generally accepted (even in the magazine reviews from the contest) that Nasser was BETTER from the front.
dorian was better from the back.
and all the pics verify this.
BUT who was better overall?
hence the debate..
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because it is generally accepted (even in the magazine reviews from the contest) that Nasser was BETTER from the front.
dorian was better from the back.
and all the pics verify this.
BUT who was better overall?
hence the debate..
True to an extent Nasser was better in the front double biceps ( clearly ) and comparable in the ab thigh and beaten in the front latspread , Dorian was also better in the 1/4 turns and side poses and the clear cut winner in all the back shots .
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dorian was beaten in the ab and thigh.
had it been dorian 93, probably not.
but dorian 97 was pretty bad.
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dorian was beaten in the ab and thigh.
had it been dorian 93, probably not.
but dorian 97 was pretty bad.
Ok lets give Nasser the ab-thigh , he still lost the 1/4 turns from the side and back , should he have won with straight firsts? but he still was the winner .
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Nasser was not better in the abs-and-thighs. Dorian's lats are wider, his quads are comparable and his abdominals are more defined. The only thing Nasser had on Dorian in this mandatory at the 1997 Olympia was taper. This is not good enough to make him better.
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Nasser was not better in the abs-and-thighs. Dorian's lats are wider, his quads are comparable and his abdominals are more defined. The only thing Nasser had on Dorian in this mandatory at the 1997 Olympia was taper. This is not good enough to make him better.
well, if you actually showed his QUADS in the shot, you would see that they were superior to dorian's.
granted, Nasser 97 was not as good as nasser 95 but still better than dorian from the front.
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Nasser was not better in the abs-and-thighs. Dorian's lats are wider, his quads are comparable and his abdominals are more defined. The only thing Nasser had on Dorian in this mandatory at the 1997 Olympia was taper. This is not good enough to make him better.
In that shot Nasser's waist is not only tighter (smaller) than Dorian's but Dorian's also caves outward slightly even when flexed and being sucked in. Just look at the abs and you can tell they cave outward.
There is not much else that is showcased in the front ab-thigh pose, besides thighs which are cut out in that pic but Nasser's thighs were also better as Hulkster said. Nasser's arms are also better in that shot, and yes Dorian's lats are a bit wider.
Like I've said many times before, the ONLY bodyparts the Dorian beat Nasser on was the back, calves and forearms. Nasser had better chest, abs, legs, delts, and arms. His taper was also more pronounced and was overall more massive.
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well, if you actually showed his QUADS in the shot, you would see that they were superior to dorian's.
granted, Nasser 97 was not as good as nasser 95 but still better than dorian from the front.
Better from the front...how can he be better from the front if he loses 2 out of 3 front mandatories? If you are talking about taper, then yes, Nasser was better from the front. But I don't think that is enough to make him better since Dorian had superior muscle thickness on all front mandatories except the front double biceps.
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Better from the front...how can he be better from the front if he loses 2 out of 3 front mandatories? If you are talking about taper, then yes, Nasser was better from the front. But I don't think that is enough to make him better since Dorian had superior muscle thickness on all front mandatories except the front double biceps.
Dorian fans always resort to the "mandatories" and the "judging criteria" - especially ND - because they can manipulate judging criteria to make someone with a inferior physique appear better - for example by ND saying that Yates has a better front double biceps pose than Nasser because his forearms are more balanced ::)
In any shot from the front Nasser looks better, whether relaxed, flexed, whatever:
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In that shot Nasser's waist is not only tighter (smaller) than Dorian's but Dorian's also caves outward slightly even when flexed and being sucked in. Just look at the abs and you can tell they cave outward.
I'm not talking about abdominal distension. Granted, Nasser had less of this than Dorian in 1997, but the bottom line is that Dorian's abs were sharper.
There is not much else that is showcased in the front ab-thigh pose, besides thighs which are cut out in that pic but Nasser's thighs were also better as Hulkster said. Nasser's arms are also better in that shot, and yes Dorian's lats are a bit wider.
Nasser's thighs are not better, and I can't see any difference in arm girth between the two, to be honest with you.
Like I've said many times before, the ONLY bodyparts the Dorian beat Nasser on was the back, calves and forearms. Nasser had better chest, abs, legs, delts, and arms. His taper was also more pronounced and was overall more massive.
Nasser had better pecs than Dorian? Are you insane? Dorian's pecs were much thicker from the sides than Nasser's. As for abs, Dorian's are more defined no "ifs", "ands" or "buts"! And legs? Maybe quads, but legs encompasses also calves and hams, and I think Dorian had that on Nasser. Delts, yes, Nasser's were better. Arms Nasser's were also better, but it deosen't matter anyway because Nasser's arms were pretty average anyway.
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Ha! Team Nasser rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic again. Give it up guys - he lost! :o
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Cigarwoman is racially motivated. This is why he keeps accusing Nasser fans of racism. He cannot bear that this Arabic/Slavic man beat his blue collar hero in almost every bodypart. Nasser was only beaten on LOWERBACK by Yates. Nasser matched him on width and thickness.
NASSER CLEARLY BEAT HIM FROM THE SIDE
Yates 97 was a travesty and the fact they give him a perfect score simply proves it was a total fix. Some judges had Yates as low as 4th overall but their scorecards were torn up - like yates' tired body
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=215147.0;attach=251844;image)
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Dorian fans always resort to the "mandatories" and the "judging criteria" - especially ND - because they can manipulate judging criteria to make someone with a inferior physique appear better - for example by ND saying that Yates has a better front double biceps pose than Nasser because his forearms are more balanced ::)
In any shot from the front Nasser looks better, whether relaxed, flexed, whatever:
very true. the dorian fans always have to make excuses etc because he always seems to get owned by everyone from the front.
whether its Shawn 94, nasser 95/7 etc etc.
the list goes on..
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eg. not sure if dorian has EVER looked this good from the front:
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Yates can only dream of looking HALF as great as Nasser in this pose
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Cigarwoman is racially motivated.
The irony of this charge coming from you! the greatest racist in the board, who everyone can see prefers Nasser because Nasser shares his ethnicity, accusing me of racism. Have you no shame? :-[ And nice homosexual innuendo, by the way. It really helps to strenghen your arguments doesen't it? ;)
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Dorian fans always resort to the "mandatories" and the "judging criteria" - especially ND - because they can manipulate judging criteria to make someone with a inferior physique appear better - for example by ND saying that Yates has a better front double biceps pose than Nasser because his forearms are more balanced ::)
In any shot from the front Nasser looks better, whether relaxed, flexed, whatever:
You certainly know how to read huh? NO I never claimed its better because his forearms are more balanced I said they were comparable to a point in the front double biceps shot UNTIL you get to density & dryness , especially in 1995 so please quote me correctly
and spare the manipulation of the criteria its in black & white ! its how contests are judged just because Nasser doesn't meet said criteria better than Yates don't bitch , when judges assess balanced development things such as torso length , lat height , proportion between the biceps/tricep/forearms , length of legs are all assess now couple that with the rest of criteria because thats how contests are judged and Yates separates himself from his contemporaries .
in 1997 Nasser standing relaxed from the front does look better from an aesthetics standpoint , he beats Dorian in the front double biceps and I say the ab-thigh is close but we'll give it to Nasser , Dorian owns the front latspread its not open for discussion , 1/4 turns from either side Yates all the way , standing relaxed from the back NO contest , side chest & side triceps Dorian again , I will concede Dorian shouldn't have won with straight firsts but he clearly beat Nasser .
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You certainly know how to read huh? NO I never claimed its better because his forearms are more balanced I said they were comparable to a point in the front double biceps shot UNTIL you get to density & dryness , especially in 1995 so please quote me correctly
and spare the manipulation of the criteria its in black & white ! its how contests are judged just because Nasser doesn't meet said criteria better than Yates don't bitch , when judges assess balanced development things such as torso length , lat height , proportion between the biceps/tricep/forearms , length of legs are all assess now couple that with the rest of criteria because thats how contests are judged and Yates separates himself from his contemporaries .
in 1997 Nasser standing relaxed from the front does look better from an aesthetics standpoint , he beats Dorian in the front double biceps and I say the ab-thigh is close but we'll give it to Nasser , Dorian owns the front latspread its not open for discussion , 1/4 turns from either side Yates all the way , standing relaxed from the back NO contest , side chest & side triceps Dorian again , I will concede Dorian shouldn't have won with straight firsts but he clearly beat Nasser .
Beeatch meltdown part XVIIX lol
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very true. the dorian fans always have to make excuses etc because he always seems to get owned by everyone from the front.
whether its Shawn 94, nasser 95/7 etc etc.
the list goes on..
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eg. not sure if dorian has EVER looked this good from the front:
Shawn never owned Dorian from the front , he may have a more aesthetically appealing shot but from a competitive bodybuilding standpoint Dorian crushes everyone in two front mandatories , ab-thigh & front latspread Dorian just owns these poses , the front double biceps not so much I can thing of others who look better but he owns these shots , he owns the side chest & side triceps , and from the back forget about it
Nasser = one dimensional bodybuilder great from the front ......and thats it .
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Cigarwoman is racially motivated.
I wouldn't single him out, if you notice virtually all bricklayer supporters are white and support white BBs.
Hope this helps
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Beeatch meltdown part XVIIX lol
Yeah I thought so ;) you wouldn't and couldn't respond to my posts because you can't and this is all you're left with.
troll on playa
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do these arms break the massive 17inch barrier?
average gym rat whos done a couple cycles can easily own dorian's arms
hahahaha this got perfect scores in supposedly unbiased contests.
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hahahaha this got perfect scores in supposedly unbiased contests.
No they were racially motivated placings lol because Dorian was such a great marketing tool . you're to simple.
13 individual judges all came to the same conclusion Yates was better its near impossible to fix a contest
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
How creepy is that painting of Weider in the background? :-\
Yates got used to the one in uncle joe's bedroom.
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13 individual judges all came to the same conclusion Yates was better its near impossible to fix a contest
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its pretty fucking easy if your name is Joe Weider...
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Yates got used to the one in uncle joe's bedroom.
racism , homosexual activity , gorgeous TVS , your mind is in a dark place lol
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Yates got used to the one in uncle joe's bedroom.
hahahahahahaha
so true
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its pretty fucking easy if your name is Joe Weider...
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No its not , nonsense plenty of judges have come and gone over the years and NEVER once has any of them ever said they were asked to fix a contest , in order to fix a contest you would have to tell ALL 13 judges to vote a certain why and over the years judges have come and gone under all sets of circumstances and never once any nonsense about a fix , the funny part is you'll scream fix when its Yates but then have the balls to type Ronnie dominated in 2001 lol it shows how little you know and just how bias you are.
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how the hell does dorian beat dillet here? dillet has better bis, tris, delts, chest, quads, traps, forearms and a smaller waist.
Dorian has a better back, thats it. So dorians back makes up for him getting schooled on everything else? Such biased judging.
GOLD
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nonsense plenty of judges have come and gone over the years and NEVER once has any of them ever said they were asked to fix a contest
yes, because they are all going to tell us that...
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damn are you stupid.. :-\
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Ok lets give Nasser the ab-thigh , he still lost the 1/4 turns from the side and back , should he have won with straight firsts? but he still was the winner .
no, dorian lost the quarter turns to the side badly..
you, just like in the truce thread, are trying to win a losing battle here.
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yes, because they are all going to tell us that...
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damn are you stupid.. :-\
( shakes head ) Hulkster judges have come & gone some under adverse circumstances , some have had falling outs with the IFBB and are no longer with them . and yet you don't hear of ANY mentions of a fix because there isn't they say stupid people prefer a conspiracy theory to no theory at all when its black & white , Dorian was better than everyone else.
and the irony of you questioning anyones intelligence you're the moron who claims ONLY Dorian's contests were fixed and then types Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging lol its so easy to make you look stupid all I have to do is just repeat your nonsense lol
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no, dorian lost the quarter turns to the side badly..
you, just like in the truce thread, are trying to win a losing battle here.
Oh boy lol he's losing ' badly ' lol I wont even dignify this with a response its like commenting on Dorian getting beat by Nasser in a back shot lol
Hulkster to say Nasser is comparable to Dorian in the 1/4 turns to Dorian is ignorant to say he's losing ' badly ' is well............just Hulksterish .......just like Ronnie has better detailed calves LMMFAO
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( shakes head ) Hulkster judges have come & gone some under adverse circumstances , some have had falling outs with the IFBB and are no longer with them . and yet you don't hear of ANY mentions of a fix because there isn't they say stupid people prefer a conspiracy theory to no theory at all when its black & white , Dorian was better than everyone else.
And yet you still can't explain Columbu's wins. You are completely guillible and a talking head for the IFBB & Iron Age.
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:P
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And yet you still can't explain Columbu's wins. You are completely guillible and a talking head for the IFBB & Iron Age.
Oh please and you can't explain 2001/2002 I don't have to explain anything . you're making the claim contests are fixed the burden of proof lies on you to back up your claim and posting pictures and say ' see ' isn't proof
13 individual people all came to the same conclusion you just don't like that conclusion because he's white thats on you .
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:P
No contest , Yates is crushing Shawn , He's bigger , harder just as dry and has better balance . you know thats how contests are judged ..........oh wait you didn't know that lol
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Yates got used to the one in uncle joe's bedroom.
Yates is clearly destroying Nasser here on conditionning.
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[quote13 individual people all came to the same conclusion ][/quote]
LOL
so you are saying that because 13 people all came the same conclusion the contest wasn't fixed...
um..
the fact that they all did given how dorian was owned in some of the olympia wins is probably because the contest was fixed...
like I said, stupid stupid stupid...
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Yates is clearly destroying Nasser here on conditionning.
Nice way of ignoring that Nasser clearly wins on virtually every criteria.
Nasser has more cuts in addition to more size and balance.
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Oh please and you can't explain 2001/2002 I don't have to explain anything .
You've been entirely unable to explain Columbu's wins on any rational basis yet continue to claim the judges are entirely fair.
Epic contradictions. :o
Yates remains the Columbu of the 90s. Dillet blowing away Yates.
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Yates didn't deserve shit after 93, idiots.
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[quote13 individual people all came to the same conclusion ]
LOL
so you are saying that because 13 people all came the same conclusion the contest wasn't fixed...
um..
the fact that they all did given how dorian was owned in some of the olympia wins is probably because the contest was fixed...
like I said, stupid stupid stupid...
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Yeah exactly I'm saying because all 13 individual judges all came to the same conclusion the contest wasn't fixed.
again you're the same moron who claims Ronnie dominated by losing the prejudging lol and Ronnie has better detailed calves than Dorian what do you know again? ;)
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I don't think all the judges agreed. Don't they only use a fraction of the scorecards (randomly)...to supposedly make it harder to 'fix' a contest?
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Yeah exactly I'm saying because all 13 individual judges all came to the same conclusion the contest wasn't fixed.
again you're the same moron who claims Ronnie dominated by losing the prejudging lol and Ronnie has better detailed calves than Dorian what do you know again? ;)
You've claimed many times that Yates had better overall arms than Ronnie. ::) Don't mind if we don't take you seriously.
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You've been entirely unable to explain Columbu's wins on any rational basis yet continue to claim the judges are entirely fair.
Epic contradictions. :o
Yates remains the Columbu of the 90s. Dillet blowing away Yates.
epic hypocrisy , you still have yet to explain 2001/2002 I did comment on Columbu's wins I said he shouldn't have won simply based on gyno ( Coleman as well ) however I've only seen a few pictures of the contests thats way to inconclusive to make a definitive opinion on the contest so spare me the talk about making rational statements because thats not rational at all its ignorant which your prone to
one pictures proves NOTHING I can post several pictures of Dorian obliterating Dillett from the rear single pictures prove nothing , Dorian complete blows Dillett off the stage in conditioning hence why Paul was always relegated to mid places .
what you're stuck in is this notion a certain person beats Dorian because he meets PART of the criteria better than Yates this rational is ignorant that is not how contests are judged deal with it.
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You've claimed many times that Yates had better overall arms than Ronnie. ::) Don't mind if we don't take you seriously.
Another idiot who forgets how to read , I NEVER claimed ' many times ' Yates had better overall arms than Ronnie thats an outright lie on your behalf . I did claim that once learn the word ;) and I typed in tongue in cheek , however I have said and will continue to say Dorian has better triceps than Ronnie and better forearms and ( at his best ) he has better proportion between the muscles in his arms than Ronnie
learn kid because you have much to do . ;)
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I don't think all the judges agreed. Don't they only use a fraction of the scorecards (randomly)...to supposedly make it harder to 'fix' a contest?
They throw out the highs & the lows and low and behold Yates always came out ontop.
I love how these guys will claim Dorian's contests were fixed and then in the same breath claim Ronnie was dominating in 2001 lol and all of his wins were fair & square ::)
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ouch
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They throw out the highs & the lows and low and behold Yates always came out ontop.
I love how these guys will claim Dorian's contests were fixed and then in the same breath claim Ronnie was dominating in 2001 lol and all of his wins were fair & square ::)
One screw job compared to like 4 or more. ::)
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Nice way of ignoring that Nasser clearly wins on virtually every criteria.
Nasser has more cuts in addition to more size and balance.
Monumentally ignorant statement seriously , its not close its not open for discussion the fact you think for a moment Nasser is not only is Nasser comparable but actually beating Dorian shows how little you know .
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They throw out the highs & the lows and low and behold Yates always came out ontop.
dorian was always on top in Uncle Joe's bedroom too.
coincidence?
I think not.
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Yates didn't deserve shit after 93, idiots.
lmfao another fan-boy comment ::)
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Monumentally ignorant statement seriously , its not close its not open for discussion the fact you think for a moment Nasser is not only is Nasser comparable but actually beating Dorian shows how little you know .
holy delusions.. :o ::)
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The dude has hardly any quads and arms in this shot.
So, Yates should have lost '94 to Ray, '05-'07 to Nasser or Ray...
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One screw job compared to like 4 or more. ::)
I'm sure you believe that 2002 was almost as bad as 2001 and 4 ' screw jobs ' lol see fan-boy
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The dude has hardly any quads and arms in this shot.
So, Yates should have lost '94 to Ray, '05-'07 to Nasser or Ray...
Hahaha why are they comparing the great Dennis Wolf to black midgets?
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dorian was always on top in Uncle Joe's bedroom too.
coincidence?
I think not.
I bet you like to think about that lol
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The dude has hardly any quads and arms in this shot.
So, Yates should have lost '94 to Ray, '05-'07 to Nasser or Ray...
please you're all fucked up get your facts straight lol 05-07
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Hahaha why are they comparing the great Dennis Wolf to black midgets?
Personal assesment unrelated to current topic. ;D
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please you're all fucked up get your facts straight lol 05-07
His left bicep was missing, you idiot. ::)
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holy delusions.. :o ::)
No that would be Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian LMMFAO
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Time to finish ND off! 8)
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His left bicep was missing, you idiot. ::)
No one bicep is shorter than the other moron ;) and he was so far ahead of everyone else that was moot , like Hulkster and the rest of the haters you don't like Yates so he shouldn't have one . one pose isn't a contest , lets say Nasser did win the front double biceps shot ..............he fucking lost every other one lol so its all for not
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15601-3/1997-mr-olympia-189.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15592-3/1997-mr-olympia-186.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
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Time to finish ND off! 8)
never seen that before lol weak man , really weak.
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15592-3/1997-mr-olympia-186.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
His stomach can bee seen from behind in this shot... haha
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15601-3/1997-mr-olympia-189.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15592-3/1997-mr-olympia-186.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
There is NOT a bodybuilder around who can match either of these poses , Coleman 2003 comes close in terms of size , but in terms of size AND density & dryness , no way . these guys don't want to see these shots because they obliterate their heros.
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His stomach can bee seen from behind in this shot... haha
Thats obliques , learn anatomy fan-boy , no wonder why you think Yates should have lost lol
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Thats obliques , learn anatomy fan-boy , no wonder why you think Yates should have lost lol
If it were Coleman, you'd have called him out on it.
Please fuck off!
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Dillet owning Nasser:
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14968-4/1997-mr-olympia-108.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
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One screw job compared to like 4 or more. ::)
2001 Ronnie won fair and square. A lot of Cutler nutlickers say he was better but he wasn't. Big Ron deserved every one of his Sandows, he was easily better than Cutler. Cutler is the shittiest BBer of all time
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Dillet owning Nasser:
Time for glasses, it's not happening in that pic.
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If it were Coleman, you'd have called him out on it.
Please fuck off!
Again learn anatomy if it was his abdomen I'd say it was its his obliques which news flash were always thick !!
the difference is you can actually see Ronnie's glutes from the front I can post pics but you know the deal.
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There is NOT a bodybuilder around who can match either of these poses
Please get this kid some klenex.
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2001 Ronnie won fair and square. A lot of Cutler nutlickers say he was better but he wasn't. Big Ron deserved every one of his Sandows, he was easily better than Cutler. Cutler is the shittiest BBer of all time
spoken like a true fan-boy ;) here is ' fair & square ' lol
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Please get this kid some klenex.
great job at proving me wrong and every post you make is littered with homosexual overtones lol now about those TVs lol
you're so simple.
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spoken like a true fan-boy ;) here is ' fair & square ' lol
They are standing relaxed. I will use your own argument against you, you ball-licking asshole sucker.
Jay looked better in the FDB and that's it. Once they turned around Ronnie crushes him like a bug. Jay Cutler sucks horribly. No separation, vascularity, graininess.......Not one ounce of QUALITY muscle on that blocky, pedestrian frame
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/33893-3/1996-mr-olympia-07.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
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spoken like a true fan-boy ;) here is ' fair & square ' lol
Fair and square, Yates last lol
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ND you ball-licking asshole sucker.
Pithy
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They are standing relaxed. I will use your own argument against you, you ball-licking asshole sucker.
Jay looked better in the FDB and that's it. Once they turned around Ronnie crushes him like a bug. Jay Cutler sucks horribly. No separation, vascularity, graininess.......Not one ounce of QUALITY muscle on that blocky, pedestrian frame
You've done nothing except expose your ignorance . again all you fan-boys have one thing in common you don't know how the game is played.
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Fair and square, Yates last lol
wow that proves he lost ::) the fact you actually believe he lost simply from a few photos shows how stupid you are.
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Pithy
See homosexual overtones , what would Freud say? ;)
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You've done nothing except expose your ignorance . again all you fan-boys have one thing in common you don't know how the game is played.
So it's fair play for Dorian to win on the strength of his back poses but when Ronnie did the same thing it's a problem? I think you've swallowed so much cum it's reached up to your brain and is impeding you thought processes
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wow that proves he lost ::) the fact you actually believe he lost simply from a few photos shows how stupid you are.
Yet you think Ronnie lost from a couple photos ;) Do you sleep with a giant spring in your mouth so you can fit larger penii down your throat?
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So it's fair play for Dorian to win on the strength of his back poses but when Ronnie did the same thing it's a problem? I think you've swallowed so much cum it's reached up to your brain and is impeding you thought processes
Dorian didn't win just on the strength of his back poses , thats your ignorance speaking for you , the difference between Yates & Ronnie was.................Dori an was much better conditioned even when he wasn't at is best and Cutler was better conditioned than Ronnie in 2001
so you keep on thinking of men ' swallowing cum ' it shows whats on your mind ;)
Dorian won on the strength of his size , density , dryness and the fact he owns a lot of mandatories , take notes fan-boy there will be a quiz.
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See homosexual overtones , what would Freud say? ;)
Freud would say that chosing a femme name like "narcissistic deity" is gay. :-* :-*
Side-tri owned by Levrone. Yates' relative triceps size deficit is clearly seen here.
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There is NOT a bodybuilder around who can match either of these poses , Coleman 2003 comes close in terms of size , but in terms of size AND density & dryness , no way . these guys don't want to see these shots because they obliterate their heros.
too bad when he hit the post that follows these two shots, his arms disappear faster than dorian's sperm down Uncle Joe's throat... :-\
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damn his arms sucked.
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Yet you think Ronnie lost from a couple photos ;) Do you sleep with a giant spring in your mouth so you can fit larger penii down your throat?
I never said Ronnie should have lost in 2001 ;) and I don't claim the contest was fixed either and I watched the whole video of the 2001 Olympia ( pre-judging too ) and read multiple contest reports from magazines and have seen dozens & dozens of pictures , now don't you look real stupid fan-boy lol
and more gay references lol I'm starting to question your hero worship for Coleman
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is there ANY thread where ND doesn't get owned?
so far, no.
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too bad when he hit the post that follows these two shots, his arms disappear faster than dorian's sperm down Uncle Joe's throat... :-\
HHAHAHHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
I have better arms than that
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Freud would say that chosing a name like "narcissistic deity" is gay. :-* :-*
No he wouldn't lol Narcissistic Deity means self loving God , you know like the God of the Judeo/Christian faith again with your homosexual leaps of faith . gay would be you bragging about having chances with gorgeous transexuals that would be Gay my friend and I can tell you exactly what Freud would say about that lmfao you're not in my league pumpster.
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I wouldn't single him out, if you notice virtually all bricklayer supporters are white and support white BBs.
Hope this helps
This is ridiculous. Please. So Sharma who has real racial motivations for supporting Naser has his racial motivations ignored by you, and yet you claim that I'm a racist even though I've already stated that I consider Oliva and Haney superior to Dorian and the two greatest bodybuilders of all times?
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Freud would say that chosing a femme name like "narcissistic deity" is gay. :-* :-*
Side-tri owned by Levrone. Yates' relative triceps size deficit is clearly seen here.
No wonder why you think Dorian is losing all the time lol you're posting pictures of him when he's NOT even posing yet lol what a jerk-off see strawman and see this shot from the same contest that blows anything Levrone or anyone else could muster.
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I never said Ronnie should have lost in 2001 ;) and I don't claim the contest was fixed either and I watched the whole video of the 2001 Olympia ( pre-judging too ) and read multiple contest reports from magazines and have seen dozens & dozens of pictures , now don't you look real stupid fan-boy lol
and more gay references lol I'm starting to question your hero worship for Coleman
What does your lifelong quest for larger penises have to do with Ronnie Coleman being the best BBer of all time?
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too bad when he hit the post that follows these two shots, his arms disappear faster than dorian's sperm down Uncle Joe's throat... :-\
His arms did look like shit in 1997 , freshly torn ticep , already torn bicep even his forearms were down in size that year due to the inability to work around the tear but his arms are still pretty big and actually don't look to bad in the back double biceps shot , they look worse from the front
they're still pretty huge ( same contest )
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What does your lifelong quest for larger penises have to do with Ronnie Coleman being the best BBer of all time?
Ronnie is the best bodybuilder of all time lol and he's gone on record not once but twice saying he couldn't beat Dorian ;) that my little fan-boy friend is called respect ( and fear )
I own you kid.
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Nasser was super wide, had monster quads and good taper from the front, but that's it. His pecs were thin, his lats lacked thickness and definition and his overral conditioning sucked. The end.
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HHAHAHHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
I have better arms than that
You have better arms than this? lol see fan-boy
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LOL yeah, look how scared Ronnie must be:
8)
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wow these two look alike!
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What does your lifelong quest for larger penises have to do with Ronnie Coleman being the best BBer of all time?
lol
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Ronnie is the best bodybuilder of all time lol and he's gone on record not once but twice saying he couldn't beat Dorian ;) that my little fan-boy friend is called respect ( and fear )
I own you kid.
Empty rhetoric at it's best considering that Yates said same about Coleman lol
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LOL yeah, look how scared Ronnie must be:
8)
He was in 1999 ;) and when asked again in 2007 same thing , Dorian beats me lol sucker
I own you
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Nasser looked like an amateur from the sides and from the back. It's obvious he relied on machine moves for his pectoralis, since he lacked depth but was super-wide. I was at the 1996 Olympia and everyone laughed when Nasser turned to the back. There was nothing there! His back had some width only because his frame is so wide, but it had no deinfition and hardness whatsoever. His lats were also very thin from the sides. This combined with his thin pecs made him look flat from the sides. He was so incomplete that it's not even funny. I don't understand what you guys see on that guy. ???
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Ronnie is the best bodybuilder of all time lol and he's gone on record not once but twice saying he couldn't beat Dorian ;) that my little fan-boy friend is called respect ( and fear )
I own you kid.
The only thing you own is a dildo collection. Please stop with the quotes and references. Peter Mcgough has also gone on record saying Ronnie is the greatest BBer he has ever seen, including Yates. Are we really going to place stock in quotes from BBing rags? You believe anything you read in them, cuz I don't.
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Empty rhetoric at it's best considering that Yates said same about Coleman lol
No sorry he didn't , more outright lies by pumpster when asked if Ronnie would beat him his response was " I guess , I DON'T KNOW
Ronnie bowed down to Dorian's superiority not once but twice ;) nice try.
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I don't understand what you guys see on that guy. ???
It's the big, synthol-filled biceps, I bet.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252361;image)
Come on..be fair..he looks pretty good (by modern standards) here.
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The only thing you own is a dildo collection. Please stop with the quotes and references. Peter Mcgough has also gone on record saying Ronnie is the greatest BBer he has ever seen, including Yates. Are we really going to place stock in quotes from BBing rags? You believe anything you read in them, cuz I don't.
He also said that Yates pre-contest 1993 would BEAT Ronnie 2001 which he claimed to be Ronnie's best ever ;)
you bitch about quotes from magazines and then proceed to use one , that makes you a hypocrite and a fan-boy , like Hulkster the other loser you have nothing for me , run along now and play I'll call you when needed .
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252361;image)
Come on..be fair..he looks pretty good (by modern standards) here.
the point was pumpster the troll posts a pic of Yates not even hitting the shot and then comments on how he's getting beat . he's a biased retard who fears great shots of Dorian for a reason. I mean his self deception is pathetic and the fact he's tries to push of strawmen as proof shows how pathetic he is.
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He also said that Yates pre-contest 1993 would BEAT Ronnie 2001 which he claimed to be Ronnie's best ever ;)
you bitch about quotes from magazines and then proceed to use one , that makes you a hypocrite and a fan-boy , like Hulkster the other loser you have nothing for me , run along now and play I'll call you when needed .
I used a quote as an example that we can dig up quotes to counter each other all day. Pics too!!! You're not too bright are you? :D
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This is from 1994 and this blows away anything Levrone , Ray , Dillett or Coleman ever shown period.
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I used a quote as an example that we can dig up quotes to counter each other all day. Pics too!!! You're not too bright are you? :D
No you bitched about quotes and the proceeded to post one and the one you posted is flat out wrong lol and no you can't counter that one try as you may. I may not be bright but I sure as fuck know a hell of a lot more about competitive bodybuilder than any of you fan-boys . ;)
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This is from 1994 and this blows away anything Levrone , Ray , Dillett or Coleman ever shown period.
You forgot Nasser ;)
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"small arms" ;D
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/dorianyates/images/yates_01.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/dorianyates/images/yates_12.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/dorianyates/images/yates_13.jpg)
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No you bitched about quotes and the proceeded to post one and the one you posted is flat out wrong lol and no you can't counter that one try as you may. I may not be bright but I sure as fuck know a hell of a lot more about competitive bodybuilder than any of you fan-boys . ;)
You suffer from selective memory. During his reign Yates was hailed as the best ever, he set new standards for size and conditioning etc,etc. They said the same exact shit about Coleman during his reign. Funny thing is, NO ONE is saying nice things about Cutler.
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"small arms" ;D
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/dorianyates/images/yates_01.jpg)
In some contests his arms were small than usual 1996 is an example of this much like Coleman 2002 , these guys continuously post these pictures as if thats how they always looked and its old news Yates' biceps weren't huge lol it doesn't matter because at his best he still crushed everyone despite not having the biggest biceps
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You suffer from selective memory. During his reign Yates was hailed as the best ever, he set new standards for size and conditioning etc,etc. They said the same exact shit about Coleman during his reign. Funny thing is, NO ONE is saying nice things about Cutler.
What does this have to do with anything? ???
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What does this have to do with anything? ???
That the "quotes" and "references" that you like to use as gospel are just bullshit that the mags have been spouting about whoever is on top at the time. except for Cutler, everybody agrees he sucks ass.
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That the "quotes" and "references" that you like to use as gospel are just bullshit that the mags have been spouting about whoever is on top at the time. except for Cutler, everybody agrees he sucks ass.
the thing is, all these 'quotes' ND keeps posting have been disproved by pics and videos by everyone for eons now..
he is the only one who actually believes them..
::)
eg. ND loves to quote how Peter McGough stated that dorian in his pre-contest shape in 93 was harder than and would beat Ronnie in 2001.
now, see for yourself:
does anyone other than ND believe this shit?
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Dillet owning Nasser:
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14968-4/1997-mr-olympia-108.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=5fad05061cfe8ef3eee4d9e63239d864)
So looking like a narrow pole next to Nasser translates to "owning" him? ::)
Nasser is owning Dillet not only in the above shot but especially in the one here that I'm posting.
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That the "quotes" and "references" that you like to use as gospel are just bullshit that the mags have been spouting about whoever is on top at the time. except for Cutler, everybody agrees he sucks ass.
Wrong because until this day Dorian's conditioning is regarded as the gold standard and many people have said after his retirement Dorian would still beat Ronnie and he would be one of the few people who could . so its not lip service and the McGough quote was from last year
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the thing is, all these 'quotes' ND keeps posting have been disproved by pics and videos by everyone for eons now..
he is the only one who actually believes them..
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eg. ND loves to quote how Peter McGough stated that dorian in his pre-contest shape in 93 was harder than and would beat Ronnie in 2001.
now, see for yourself:
does anyone other than ND believe this shit?
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Again you see what YOU want and stop speaking for the masses seriously . and I'm not alone in thinking Yates pre-contest would kick Ronnie's ass . when the thread with the video footage from that photoshoot a ton of people said the same thing so stop propagating that lie
It pathetic watching you appeal to anyone who will agree with you because you find comfort in numbers ( see argument ad populum ; if so many people think its true than its true lol ) it doesn't work that way a lot of well respected people have gone on record and said many times Dorian would certainly give Ronnie a run for his money at the bare minimum ! some have said he would beat him outright , this ignorant notion you have that Dorian wouldn't even stand a chance reeks of stupidity
Again you are hands down among the most ignorant people on the topic of competitive bodybuilding and foolish pride prevents you from learning , you're the complete idiot who has said Ronnie Coleman has a ' much thicker back ' at 244 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds , no wonder why you think Ronnie would easily beat Yates lol you're a true internet-fan-boy oh and what about the Ronnie had more detailed calves comments and Ronnie is grainer than Dorian ever was LMMFAO you're stupid , you don't know this sport kid.
Dorian at 269 pounds is bigger than Ronnie ( 2001 ) and being kind here just as hard & dry better balanced , more complete and a better poser according to the IFBB judging criteria he would beat Ronnie 2001 no doubts about it , unlike you I don't need a bunch of fan-boys to agree with I know how the game is played. ;)
my knowledge owns you
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I laugh when I read some of the posts your make " dorian displaying fantastic taper and quad detail " genius at this point both his quads were torn no kidding he's no displaying fantastic quad detail and his taper in the standing relaxed pose from the front he may be medicore but the same shot from the back was mindblowing and his back double bicep shot in 1997 sucked but at his peak his was fantastic , again you keep insiting that Dorian must conform to an aesthetic ideal in order to win , he doesn't , Dorian never won because he had a small waist & hips and great quad sweap and the best V-taper , Dorian won because of his strenghts and not anyone elses.
NarcissisticDeity ...that must be one of the most awesome shots of Mr Yates - each muscle group developed in proportion to the other.
That's the goal every bodybuilder wants but its no easy feat: only the best get to that level of perfection.
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NarcissisticDeity ...that must be one of the most awesome shots of Mr Yates - each muscle group developed in proportion to the other.
That's the goal every bodybuilder wants but its no easy feat: only the best get to that level of perfection.
Great post !
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Ronnie is better than Dorian.
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Ronnie is better than Dorian.
Not according to Ronnie ;)
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Not according to Ronnie ;)
according to Dorian though...
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according to Dorian though...
Not true
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Not true
I beg to differ...
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I beg to differ...
Don't beg its unbecoming and when posed the question if Ronnie could beat him Dorian said " I guess , I don't know " thats not definitive , Ronnie has gone on record twice with definitive answers to the question , in all reality it doesn't make them true but it shows Ronnie respects Dorian for a very good reason .
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Don't beg its unbecoming and when posed the question if Ronnie could beat him Dorian said " I guess , I don't know " thats not definitive , Ronnie has gone on record twice with definitive answers to the question , in all reality it doesn't make them true but it shows Ronnie respects Dorian for a very good reason .
Dorian does deserve respect, thats for sure...
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Dorian does deserve respect, thats for sure...
tell that to the Ronnie fan-boys lol
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post of the year from Sharma:
Nastysissy diety why is it everytime i open a thread you are being owned? you a like a prison bitch or something, passed around by men who use you and discard you.
Yates had so many proportion and symmetry issues it;s frightening.
for a start his back was out of proportion with all else.
he had no arms, just torn to shit, disgusting lumps of bone.
he had AIDS man quads. shitty child legs totally overshadowed by calves.
his gut was out of control. his abs were disgusting and all over the place.
he looked like a dog shit that had been in the sun all day and some kids stir it around with twigs.
continues to get validated day after day!
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:-*
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Half of Dorian's career:
(http://www.gadgets-reviews.com/uimg/gifts-for-him.jpg)
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Interesting (but not surprising) to see that once again Hulkster is completely destroyed by ND. Until this guy actually understands the finer points of critiquing a pro level physique then his opinion means nothing. We know he has never witnessed any of these guys compete so it would be of little use anyway. Any of your other inbred reprobates and/or diseased Arabs who think Nasser bested Yates clearly has no clue. Upper body in isolation from the front then he matches DY in certain areas but that's it. Nasser's legs do not flow from his upper body - his hips (ASIS area) are too close to the level of his symphysis pubis so his legs appear like they were just stuck on hence he doesnt have the top to bottom quad balance - like Ronnie doesn't, for example. Nasser was good but never up to beating Dorian - much closer than Ronnie got or ever would have though.
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finer points of judging? LOL
what a crock of shit.
here are your finer points of judging in action..
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You wouldn't understand Hulkster. You lack the ability to do so which you have shown ad nauseum. Like I said before, this really is too easy.
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You wouldn't understand Hulkster. You lack the ability to do so which you have shown ad nauseum. Like I said before, this really is too easy.
yeah, because you have no fucking clue about the finer points of judging.
you ignore the fact that people like Ronnie and Nasser actually have good muscle shape and taper, better detail, better refinment. than dorian did.
they look like bodybuilders, not powerlifters.
Nasser had a shitty back, true, but he was better than dorian from the front.
Ronnie was better both sides.
shit, here is your hero getting schooled by a fucking 1996 Ronnie Coleman. years away from the olympia wins.
LOL
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you really need to brush up on how this sport is judged, because you have no clue.
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proof of the finer points of judging LOL
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owning Analdischarge is so damn easy!
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Keep digging son. You continue to compound your stupidity. Maybe its time for you to take up golf?
You're very easy to rile by the way Hulkster. Oh, I saw Dorian and Ronnie compete in 96 and was fairly near the judges. I would say we all agreed - fair few others looked better than Ronnie too. Like I said, if you had seen the two compete I would give you some credence. You might be able to fool these kids on here but....
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yes, because all the dozens and dozens of pros and magazine writers who have ALL seen both dorian and ronnie compete who claim Ronnie is the greatest ever and unbeatable at his best don't matter right?
yeah, okay..
you keep acting like I am the only one who claims this and that somehow all the visuals that verify this mean nothing..
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Guys, just walk away from this thread.....just walk away
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Interesting (but not surprising) to see that once again Hulkster is completely destroyed by ND. Until this guy actually understands the finer points of critiquing a pro level physique then his opinion means nothing.
Utter diahhrea from anal.
Flea looking like Oliva next to the construction worker.
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finer points of judging? LOL
Finer points of judging seems to have included uncle joes lips for this mess to win lol
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still more on the 'finer points of judging"
LOL
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Interesting (but not surprising) to see that once again Hulkster is completely destroyed by ND. Until this guy actually understands the finer points of critiquing a pro level physique then his opinion means nothing. We know he has never witnessed any of these guys compete so it would be of little use anyway. Any of your other inbred reprobates and/or diseased Arabs who think Nasser bested Yates clearly has no clue. Upper body in isolation from the front then he matches DY in certain areas but that's it. Nasser's legs do not flow from his upper body - his hips (ASIS area) are too close to the level of his symphysis pubis so his legs appear like they were just stuck on hence he doesnt have the top to bottom quad balance - like Ronnie doesn't, for example. Nasser was good but never up to beating Dorian - much closer than Ronnie got or ever would have though.
Great post ! the kid doesn't know competitive bodybuilding he just knows what he likes and what he THINKS wins contests its great someone can see through his ignorance.
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You wouldn't understand Hulkster. You lack the ability to do so which you have shown ad nauseum. Like I said before, this really is too easy.
Hulkster = owned
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Keep digging son. You continue to compound your stupidity. Maybe its time for you to take up golf?
You're very easy to rile by the way Hulkster. Oh, I saw Dorian and Ronnie compete in 96 and was fairly near the judges. I would say we all agreed - fair few others looked better than Ronnie too. Like I said, if you had seen the two compete I would give you some credence. You might be able to fool these kids on here but....
Another slam dunk post ! and its true Hulkster gets all emotional when you tell him he's wrong lol the best part is you were actually there and he wasn't lol his opinion is ignorant and based on limited means , pics & video will never replace actually being there .
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yeah, because you have no fucking clue about the finer points of judging.
you ignore the fact that people like Ronnie and Nasser actually have good muscle shape and taper, better detail, better refinment. than dorian did.
they look like bodybuilders, not powerlifters.
Nasser had a shitty back, true, but he was better than dorian from the front.
Ronnie was better both sides.
shit, here is your hero getting schooled by a fucking 1996 Ronnie Coleman. years away from the olympia wins.
LOL
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you really need to brush up on how this sport is judged, because you have no clue.
You should heed your own advice because you don't have a clue on how bodybuilding is judged thats a proven fact by me and many others you're the biggest dummy on the topic , with comments like Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , Ronnie's back is thicker at 244 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds LMMFAO and how about these gems , Ronnie's calves are more detailed than Dorians :-X and Ronnie was grainer than Yates lol you don't know jack shit dummy. ;)
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Hulkster = owned
Desperate, baseless horseshit lol
Tiny arms in relation to the barrel chest.
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Desperate, baseless horseshit.
Hope this helps
Truth hurts doesn't it? ;)
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Truth hurts doesn't it? ;)
Your comebacks are getting weaker & weaker.
Time for a reality check.
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Your comebacks are getting weaker & weaker.
Time for a reality check.
Reality my stupid friend is Dorian 8 wins over Ronnie , Ronnie 0 wins over Dorian . and funny you talk about combacks when your's reek of homosexual overtones .
reality
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reality
When the resort is to black and white gym shots complete with black sox, it's OVER...lol
Here's reality:
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When the resort is to black and white gym shots complete with black sox, it's OVER...lol
Here's reality:
reality? you mean the photoshopped pics of Coleman from 1999? nothing could be further from the truth and according to the IFBB criteria , Dorian beats Ronnie in terms of density & dryness , balanced development thats reality something you're not in.
you hate the black & white shots for a very good reason , they shut your opinion down in moments
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reality? you mean the photoshopped pics of Coleman from 1999? nothing could be further from the truth and according to the IFBB criteria , Dorian beats Ronnie in terms of density & dryness , balanced development thats reality something you're not in.
you hate the black & white shots for a very good reason , they shut your opinion down in moments
No amount of attempted deflections detracts from the fact that Yates looks ready for an amateur show in this comparison. ;D
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No amount of attempted deflections detracts from the fact that Yates looks ready for an amateur show in this comparison. ;D
You comment reeks of ignorance and bias ( old news as usual ) Dorian 1995 was outstanding everyone agrees this is the Yates , Dillett referred to as " Jesus Christ " and using photoshopped pictures isn't a ' deflection ' its a fact and of course you would ignore the IFBB judging criteria because it favors Dorian
end of the day Dorian beats Ronnie in most mandatory poses .
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stupid ND STILL claiming the 99 ronnie shots are photoshopped...
what a fucking moron..
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speaks volumes about how good and how much better Ronnie was than dorian when ND has to claim the shots are 'photoshopped' in order to justify Ronnie's dominance.
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the list of excuses just keeps growing and growing..
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stupid ND STILL claiming the 99 ronnie shots are photoshopped...
what a fucking moron..
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speaks volumes about how good and how much better Ronnie was than dorian when ND has to claim the shots are 'photoshopped' in order to justify Ronnie's dominance.
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the list of excuses just keeps growing and growing..
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Hulkster calm down lol you take this shit WAY to seriously lol Hulkster pay attention I'm NOT claiming they are photoshopped I know they're photoshopped Bizzy admitted it and a graphic artist showed exactly how he did it ( see unmask tool Adobe lol ) you knowingly used photoshopped pictures in a pathetic attempt to prove Ronnie was better and it shows how pathetic you are
Dorian has better muscle density , muscle dryness , better balance & proportion and posing & presentation I don't need any excuses I'm ahead of the game , Dorian satisfies this criterion better than Ronnie thats a fact you ignorant and pathetic paper advantages don't come close to these , taper and bigger biceps and better tie-ins will not and can NOT compensate for his deficient in these areas
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No amount of attempted deflections detracts from the fact that Yates looks ready for an amateur show in this comparison. ;D
since when is an entire contest or one's career based soley on one picture.
the same can be said of yates vs. ronnie in the side tricep shot.
how's that window AC unit working?
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Desperate, baseless horseshit lol
Tiny arms in relation to the barrel chest.
EVERYONE knows that yates arms a weakness in the front double bi.
do you really need to keep posting the same pics year after year?
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since when is an entire contest or one's career based soley on one picture.
the same can be said of yates vs. ronnie in the side tricep shot.
You mean this side tri where Levrone's owning him lol let's recap for the mentally challenged:
-Getbig poll Coleman >> Yates
-Videos ditto
-Pics ditto
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You mean this side tri where Levrone's owning him lol let's recap for the mentally challenged:
-Getbig poll Coleman >> Yates
-Videos ditto
-Pics ditto
Levrone's tri not as etched as Yates'...Yates like unto carved out of stone
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Levrone's tri not as etched as Yates'...Yates like unto carved out of stone
And those calves...
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And those calves...
Yes.
Best ever along with
Dickerson
Waller
Mentzer
Vince Taylor
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Levrone's tri not as etched as Yates'...Yates like unto carved out of stone
Never disputed, but there's more to it than that. He never had great size on either tris or bis.
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Never disputed, but there's more to it than that. He never had great size on either tris or bis.
yes
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Never disputed, but there's more to it than that. He never had great size on either tris or bis.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252367;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252367;image)
Well...it looks like he won something there to me!
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Long head never had the size, that's why all he ever had was a properly posed side-tri that created illusion, something like Schwarnzenegger's thigh posing. Coleman never knew how to do same.
Same thing minus the posing illusion.
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Long head never had the size, that's why all he ever had was a properly posed side-tri that created illusion, something like Schwarnzenegger's thigh posing. Coleman never knew how to do same.
The "side tri" pose is not judged on the triceps alone. Did Dorian have the best triceps in the the history of the sport? No.
Dd he have the most complete head to toe side trips pose? Yes.
Why show a photo taken from an angle where anyone's tricep would not be at it's best?
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Pumpster, with you're double digit IQ you really are the last person to call anyone to task on the quality of their comebacks. Really, it's laughable! I need say no more on that. By the way, I have always admired Labrada and he came very close to deposing the true king - Lee Haney.
Hulkster, you're a funny guy - you have that little confidence (well founded I may add) in your argument that for what seems like years, you continue to post the same pics and make the same points - rather like you're on some kind of feedback loop as you slowly descend into psychological oblivion. It's ok to be frustrated, take solace in the fact that your mother probably still loves you.
Of course ND wound down his activity in the truce thread - he has confidence in his position and need not continually try and convince himself. You however, like the impudent child feel the need to keep screaming after everyone else has gone. It's really just about baiting you now, it's actually quite fun to a point - but like I said, ridiculously easy.
Dorian's side chest and triceps from head to toe are perhaps the best ever, similarly with his front latspread. What people miss with Dorian is that his limb lengths in relation to his torso are perfect. Ronnie's torso is slightly too short and his arms too long so his front lat looks awkward; he doesn't know how to hit a side chest properly so he looks bunched up with his pecs overpowering his delts and fails to take advantage of his rib cage on which the pecs should sit so the depth may be seen - again a mix of bodyparts just slabbed together.
Who has Ronnie really beaten? A subpar Wheeler, Ray and Levrone - guys who routinely spanked him when 'on'. Respect to Ronnie for waiting for them to fade though. Cutler - a good bodybuilder who at his best beat Ronnie but would have struggled against the aforementioned guys in their top form.
Actually, this isn't that much fun anymore, I'm not one to kick a man when he's down and the lack of challenge makes me yearn for something new ;)
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The "side tri" pose is not judged on the triceps alone. Did Dorian have the best triceps in the the history of the sport? No.
Dd he have the most complete head to toe side trips pose? Yes.
Why show a photo taken from an angle where anyone's tricep would not be at it's best?
Ha Ha Ha Ha
pumpster owned
Great post ! and spot on as usual , Dorian's side tricep shot is among the best ever.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252367;image)
...This side tri shot is the masterpiece of bbing...
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Pumpster, with you're double digit IQ you really are the last person to call anyone to task on the quality of their comebacks. Really, it's laughable! I need say no more on that. By the way, I have always admired Labrada and he came very close to deposing the true king - Lee Haney.
Hulkster, you're a funny guy - you have that little confidence (well founded I may add) in your argument that for what seems like years, you continue to post the same pics and make the same points - rather like you're on some kind of feedback loop as you slowly descend into psychological oblivion. It's ok to be frustrated, take solace in the fact that your mother probably still loves you.
Of course ND wound down his activity in the truce thread - he has a quiet confidence in his position and need not continually try and convince himself. It's really just about baiting you now, it's actually quite fun to a point - but like I said, ridiculously easy.
Dorian's side chest and triceps from head to toe are perhaps the best ever, similarly with his front latspread. What people miss with Dorian is that his limb lengths in relation to his torso are perfect. Ronnie's torso is slightly too short and his arms too long so his front lat looks awkward; he doesn't know how to hit a side chest properly so he looks bunched up with his pecs overpowering his delts and fails to take advantage of his rib cage on which the pecs should sit so the depth may be seen - again a mix of bodyparts just slabbed together.
Who has Ronnie really beaten? A subpar Wheeler, Ray and Levrone - guys who routinely spanked him when 'on'. Respect to Ronnie for waiting for them to fade though. Cutler - a good bodybuilder who at his best beat Ronnie but would have struggled against the aforementioned guys in their top form.
Actually, this isn't that much fun anymore, I'm not one to kick a man when he's down and the lack of challenge makes me yearn for something new ;)
Great post ! spot-on too. Hulkster has been taken a beat-down on these threads lately
it is pathetic to watch him , pumpster and the other Ronnie ( and Nasser ) fan-boys follow me around from thread to thread looking for revenge because I crushed them all.
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...This side tri shot is the masterpiece of bbing...
Thats 1997 to boot ! not even his best years obviously.
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"Pumpster's" arguments make no sense. He says Dorian's side triceps mandatory is better because his triceps have more cuts, but are inferior in size. First of all, this is not true. Ronnie's triceps are more cut and striated, which is obvious. Secondly, Dorian's side triceps is better for two reasons. Dorian's triceps attach lower in the tendom and thus are more aesthetic, and seconly, because Dorian actually has more triceps mass in this pose than Ronnie, which is the opposite of what "Pumpster" claims.
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You mean this side tri where Levrone's owning him lol let's recap for the mentally challenged:
-Getbig poll Coleman >> Yates
-Videos ditto
-Pics ditto
Leverone isn't owning anything , according to the IFBB judging criteria contests are judged on muscular bulk , is Kev carrying more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO Yates is 262 pounds , how about density & dryness is Kev better conditioned than Dorian? NO IFBB judges commented on Kev holding water in 1994 at the prejudging , is he better balanced than Yates? NO Kev's was all delts & arms and his torso lagged behind , so according to the criteria contests are judged on how is he ' owning ' Yates? because he has big triceps LMFAO I always try and figure out who is more ignorant of competitive bodybuilding you or Hulkster it goes back & forth
Dorian Yates owns the side triceps shot even at among his worse 1994 . all of these are from the 1994 Mr Olympia
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Leverone isn't owning anything , according to the IFBB judging criteria contests are judged on muscular bulk , is Kev carrying more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO Yates is 262 pounds , how about density & dryness is Kev better conditioned than Dorian? NO IFBB judges commented on Kev holding water in 1994 at the prejudging , is he better balanced than Yates? NO Kev's was all delts & arms and his torso lagged behind , so according to the criteria contests are judged on how is he ' owning ' Yates? because he has big triceps LMFAO I always try and figure out who is more ignorant of competitive bodybuilding you or Hulkster it goes back & forth
Dorian Yates owns the side triceps shot even at among his worse 1994 . all of these are from the 1994 Mr Olympia
Levrone is WATERY compared to Yates
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"Pumpster's" arguments make no sense. He says Dorian's side triceps mandatory is better because his triceps have more cut, but are inferior in size. First of all, this is not true. Ronnie's triceps are more cut and striated, which is obvious. Secondly, Dorian's side triceps is better for two reasons. Dorian's triceps attach lower in the tendom and thus are more aesthetic, and seconly, because Dorian actually has more triceps mass in this pose than Ronnie, which is the opposite of what "Pumpster" claims.
pumpster is limited by his ignorance & his bias he hates Dorian because he's white plain & simple more than just great triceps make a great side triceps shot in the IFBB all rounds are physique rounds even though they have separate rounds such as the symmetry & muscularity rounds
in every mandatory pose the judges look for who meets ALL of the criteria the best , that includes muscular bulk , balanced development , density & dryness , posing & presentation . I've said this many times Coleman and other for that matter do have certain advantages in some of the criteria but as a whole when all things are considered Dorian meets the criteria better than his contemporaries as a whole. thats the thing these idiots can't seem to grasp.
it doesn't matter if Ronnie had a better taper and bigger arms if he's incomplete and he's not in the same level of density & dryness , it doesn't matter if Levrone had bigger delts & triceps when he's down on size & balance and conditioning , all rounds are physique rounds
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Levrone is WATERY compared to Yates
Great point and these guys are willing to overlook that in favor of his strengths but thats not how contests are judged .
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Great point and these guys are willing to overlook that in favor of his strengths but thats not how contests are judged .
ND, as always
Your words ring true
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ND, as always
Your words ring true
Thank you :)
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he hates Dorian because he's white
This does seem true. Definitely. I have observed that his posts about Dorian are usually very angry and emotional, as if he had a personal problem with Yates. "Pumpster" seems to share some similiarities with "Sharma" who prefers Nasser over Dorian because he shares an ethnic background with Nasser.
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Of course ND wound down his activity in the truce thread - he has confidence in his position and need not continually try and convince himself.
yeah, he has to convince himself that all the 99 Ronnie shots are photoshopped in order to justify Ronnie's crushing of dorian...
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yeah, he's real confident of his position all right.
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its amazing the bullshit you two post.
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yeah, he has to convince himself that all the 99 Ronnie shots are photoshopped in order to justify Ronnie's crushing of dorian...
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yeah, he's real confident of his position all right.
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its amazing the bullshit you two post.
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Hulkster they are photoshopped Bizzy admitted to photoshopping them , and the best part is a graphic artist showed exactly how Bizzy toyed with them further , and again I don't need to prove myself to YOU I know I'm right , you constantly try ( keyword ) to convince me and others you're right ( see fail )
see Bizzy's admission of guilt.
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How Bizzy photshopped the pics of Ronnie BTW
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Pumpster, with you're double digit IQ you really are the last person to call anyone to task on the quality of their comebacks. Really, it's laughable! I need say no more on that. By the way, I have always admired Labrada and he came very close to deposing the true king - Lee Haney.
Hulkster, you're a funny guy - you have that little confidence (well founded I may add) in your argument that for what seems like years, you continue to post the same pics and make the same points - rather like you're on some kind of feedback loop as you slowly descend into psychological oblivion. It's ok to be frustrated, take solace in the fact that your mother probably still loves you.
Of course ND wound down his activity in the truce thread - he has confidence in his position and need not continually try and convince himself. You however, like the impudent child feel the need to keep screaming after everyone else has gone. It's really just about baiting you now, it's actually quite fun to a point - but like I said, ridiculously easy.
Dorian's side chest and triceps from head to toe are perhaps the best ever, similarly with his front latspread. What people miss with Dorian is that his limb lengths in relation to his torso are perfect. Ronnie's torso is slightly too short and his arms too long so his front lat looks awkward; he doesn't know how to hit a side chest properly so he looks bunched up with his pecs overpowering his delts and fails to take advantage of his rib cage on which the pecs should sit so the depth may be seen - again a mix of bodyparts just slabbed together.
Who has Ronnie really beaten? A subpar Wheeler, Ray and Levrone - guys who routinely spanked him when 'on'. Respect to Ronnie for waiting for them to fade though. Cutler - a good bodybuilder who at his best beat Ronnie but would have struggled against the aforementioned guys in their top form.
Actually, this isn't that much fun anymore, I'm not one to kick a man when he's down and the lack of challenge makes me yearn for something new ;)
hi pubes
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This does seem true. Definitely. I have observed that his posts about Dorian are usually very angry and emotional, as if he had a personal problem with Yates. "Pumpster" seems to share some similiarities with "Sharma" who prefers Nasser over Dorian because he shares an ethnic background with Nasser.
Hilarious speculation as usual, given that i'm white but not one of the 3-skinhead strong "team yates". The theory goes right down the toilet, along with those about photoshopped Coleman and the other ten or so that included poor lighting, angles, etc.
These knuckleheads don't realize what a back-handed complement it is to be suggesting that Coleman's unaltered shots are shopped hahaahahahaha
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Hilarious speculation as usual, given that i'm white but not one of the 3-skinhead strong "team yates". The theory goes right down the toilet, along with those about photoshopped Coleman and the other ten or so that included poor lighting, angles, etc.
These knuckleheads don't realize what a back-handed complement it is to be suggesting that Coleman's unaltered shots are shopped hahaahahahaha
unaltered? did you miss the post from Bizzy admitting tampering? yeah I thought so and ontop of posting photoshopped pics you idiot keep posting heavily slanted homemade biased ' comparisons ' of Ronnie with calves just as big as Yates , Dorian with a waist comparable to Ronnie's lol and then go on to bitch about his waist line the shot you posted is another perfect example of your pathetic attempts that your ebony hero was better , its a fact Dorian's lats are lower than Ronnies , yet in the pic you posted they're the same length as well as having the same waist size lol you're to simple
you don't like Dorian because he's white and beat your dark heros plain & simple. pumpster = sharma
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unaltered? did you miss the post from Bizzy admitting tampering? yeah I thought so and ontop of posting photoshopped pics you idiot keep posting heavily slanted homemade biased ' comparisons ' of Ronnie with calves just as big as Yates
you don't like Dorian because he's white and beat your dark heros plain & simple. pumpster = sharma
This knucklehead already knows that i think Schwarzenegger's one of the best of the best, far better than the keg, this is just more diahhrea. Last time i looked, schwarzenegger was white u idiot lol
And ya, someone so allied with iron age would have weak comparative pics to rely on, just like they do everyone knows they did a lame job in fact i told them that years ago and provided better pics lol
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This knucklehead already knows that i think Schwarzenegger's one of the best of the best, far better than the keg, so it's just so more diahhrea. Last time i looked, schwarzenegger was white u idiot lol
And ya, someone so allied with iron age would have weak comparative pics to rely on, just like they do everyone knows they did a lame job in fact i told them that years ago and provided better pics lol
yawn you also said MANY many times Sergio ( black cuban ) was robbed because Arnold was white , nice try Uncle Joe needed to promote a white champion according to you and thats the only reason why Arnold was ' allowed to win '
and the comparisons you posted are inaccurate and laughable and yet you offer them as proof LMFAO
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Pumpster really isn't worth it. The guy has no brain so it's like torturing a baby. The pics were shopped and yet Dorian still looks better. Oh the irony!
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Pumpster really isn't worth it. The guy has no brain so it's like torturing a baby. The pics were shopped and yet Dorian still looks better. Oh the irony!
I think you should eat his skull with rice.
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But it would only be a skull with a little mush inside. I would need some oily fish to make it even remotely palatable.
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The whole truth about ND's accusations of me photoshopping pics:
I made my 1st post around the 2007 Olympia, never before it.
If you notice ND's screencap of me admitting to lighting up some dark pictures
was on November 14, 2007. I had been posting for about a month.
There were a few very dark pictures I would add lightness and contrast too.
(Whether it was Ronnie, Yates or any other bodybuilder.)
A couple of months later I got a DVD recorder. On my 1st attempt I
made some mistakes and lightened and contrasted 4 pictures to try to match
the video from which the DVD was made from.I admitted to that and then ceased any kind of photoshopping after ND made a fuss about it.
I figured out how to properly record video to the DVD recorder and made screencaps from that
which none of them had been altered. Iceman has the DVD, so ask him if the DVD doesn't
match up perfectly with video captures I made from that DVD.
About a month or more ago a graphic designer came to the truce thread and mentioned an unmask tool that he thought was used on at least one of Ronnie's pictures. He was reffering to the back shot of Ronnie from 1998 from East Coast muscle. I had never even known of this tool up until about a month or so ago and had posted my unaltered video captures of the 1999 Olympia months before that.
Anyway, there were 4 photoshopped pics that Hulkster used 4-5 months ago and he has not used them since. There were plenty of 1999 Olympia video caps of Ronnie already out there.
The reason I made extras is because there were some great shots that others had missed
such as his double biceps shot, a couple of great leg shots, better angles, ect.
Like I said, Iceman has the DVD from the video captures and he can tell you my video
captures have not been altered from the DVD.
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The whole truth about ND's accusations of me photoshopping pics:
I made my 1st post around the 2007 Olympia, never before it.
If you notice ND's screencap of me admitting to lighting up some dark pictures
was on November 14, 2007. I had been posting for about a month.
There were a few very dark pictures I would add lightness and contrast too.
(Whether it was Ronnie, Yates or any other bodybuilder.)
A couple of months later I got a DVD recorder. On my 1st attempt I
made some mistakes and lightened and contrasted 4 pictures to try to match
the video from which the DVD was made from.I admitted to that and then ceased any kind of photoshopping after ND made a fuss about it.
I figured out how to properly record video to the DVD recorder and made screencaps from that
which none of them had been altered. Iceman has the DVD, so ask him if the DVD doesn't
match up perfectly with video captures I made from that DVD.
About a month or more ago a graphic designer came to the truce thread and mentioned an unmask tool that he thought was used on at least one of Ronnie's pictures. He was reffering to the back shot of Ronnie from 1998 from East Coast muscle. I had never even known of this tool up until about a month or so ago and had posted my unaltered video captures of the 1999 Olympia months before that.
Anyway, there were 4 photoshopped pics that Hulkster used 4-5 months ago and he has not used them since. There were plenty of 1999 Olympia video caps of Ronnie already out there.
The reason I made extras is because there were some great shots that others had missed
such as his double biceps shot, a couple of great leg shots, better angles, ect.
Like I said, Iceman has the DVD from the video captures and he can tell you my video
captures have not been altered from the DVD.
Bullshit plain & simple you made a host of pictures that didn't match ANYTHING posted before and a graphic artist outed you NOT for some eastcost muscle picture either , NO it was the screencaps YOU made , you posted and your excuse was they were from a VHS copy ::) and forcedreps posted screencaps from a VHS copy that looked aboslutely nothing like the ones you posted , more proof you tampered with them plain & simple
bottom line you altered pics of Ronnie and without any preface and after I called you on it Hulkster continued to use them over pics that were already posted because he believed thats how he reallyed looked , you don't like being accused don't toy with pictures
both from VHS copies of the same contest , same frame they don't match because someone fucked with them period.
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ND,
You keep believing what you want to believe.
Anyone can review any of my posts and know that
I'm a person of honesty and integrity. I've never used profanity
against anyone. Never called someone owned like a teenager would.
I've been open and honest to the things I have done.
There are many different colors from tapes or DVD's. Some look orange.
Some look like Ronnie's a melado. My video happens to have him looking like the
black man he is with a little reddish hue to it. There is no convincing you
of the truth so spout your belief all you want. It doesn't make it true.
Peace! Biz!
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But it would only be a skull with a little mush inside. I would need some oily fish to make it even remotely palatable.
Mike Tysonesque intelligence. Anyone else would understand using a straw.
No amount of desperate attempted deflections changes these bricklayer thrashings, all 38 pics lol
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ND,
You keep believing what you want to believe.
Anyone can review any of my posts and know that
I'm a person of honesty and integrity. I've never used profanity
against anyone. Never called someone owned like a teenager would.
I've been open and honest to the things I have done.
There are many different colors from tapes or DVD's. Some look orange.
Some look like Ronnie's a melado. My video happens to have him looking like the
black man he is with a little reddish hue to it. There is no convincing you
of the truth so spout your belief all you want. It doesn't make it true.
Peace! Biz!
Nonsense as usual period. the proof is right here period. both are VHS versions of the 1999 Mr Olympia same frame and yours do not match his coincidence? NO you already admitted to adjusting the lighting you get credit for that but again the irony of your screencaps looking exactly like the unsharp mask on photoshop thats not irony its thats a professional graphic artist outing you.
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Neverheard of unsharp mask but admit using photoshop to spruce up Kai's pecs Bizzy you're full of it.
I wrote this several days ago in another thread.
and then did a little photoshopping with Leo Ingram's chest.
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Like I said earlier, I had no knowledge that tool even exsisted
when I posted my video caps of the 1999 Olympia.
I don't know why you are so cynical of people but I'm sure you have your reasons.
I'm going to show forced reps video capture in full and the one from
my DVD. With very little inspection, anyone can tell that they are not the same frame.
Why? Because one is from Forced Reps VHS and the other is from mine.
I'm convinced that I'm not going to convince you so I'll leave it at that.
It's really a big waste of my time and a futile attempt at this point.
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Neverheard of unsharp mask but admit using photoshop to spruce up Kai's pecs Bizzy you're full of it.
I wrote this several days ago in another thread.
and then did a little photoshopping with Leo Ingram's chest.
How does it feel to be humiliated, on the losing end at every turn. Unable to effectively refute anything before scurring under the next rock of defense? ;)
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Like I said earlier, I had no knowledge that tool even exsisted
when I posted my video caps of the 1999 Olympia.
I don't know why you are so cynical of people but I'm sure you have your reasons.
I'm going to show forced reps video capture in full and the one from
my DVD. With very little inspection, anyone can tell that they are not the same frame.
Why? Because one is from Forced Reps VHS and the other is from mine.
I'm convinced that I'm not going to convince you so I'll leave it at that.
It's really a big waste of my time and a futile attempt at this point.
You admit to adjusting the lighting , you admit knowing how to photoshop Leo Ingrams pecs on Kai Greene yet don't know about unsharp mask lol sure you don't ::)
lets say they're not the same frame thats moot they're both VHS copies and yours don't look like his for a reason , so more of the same you don't like being accused don't mess with video trying to enhance what Coleman looked like because its not an accurate depiction of how he looked.
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How does it feel to be humiliated, on the losing end at every turn. Unable to effectively refute anything before scurring under the next rock of defense? ;)
See kevin horton shutting you down ;)
pumpster owned
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ND is being owned by Bizzy like the prison bitch that he is.
also, how exactly did this 'graphic artist' prove that Bizzy photoshopped pics?
just because HE photoshopped them (and who gives a fuck if he is a graphic artist, he probably isn't anyway -talk is cheap - he probably works at McDonalds like you do) does NOT mean that someone else did.
your accusations about photoshopping are absolutely pathetic.
its the only way your hero has a chance against Ronnie 99, and your only line of defense left.
and its total bullshit as everyone can see.
you refuse to believe the truth because the truth shows your stupidity.
you are a sad sad man. :-\
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don't know why you are so cynical of people but I'm sure you have your reasons.
his reason is that if admits that he believes you (the truth) dorian gets crushed by 99 Ronnie like everyone knows.
thats his reason.
he is pathetic.
he won't admit it because admitting it is admitting dorian loses badly like reality shows.
his cowardly exit from the truce thread shows deep down that he knows 99 Ronnie owns dorian.
but he can't deal with it so he runs like the pussy that he is.
typical ND.
when the going gets tough, he bails.
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lol poor Dorian is being owned in this shot.. He lost the 94-97 Mr. Olympias and can't hold Ronnie's gym bag.
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ND is being owned by Bizzy like the prison bitch that he is.
also, how exactly did this 'graphic artist' prove that Bizzy photoshopped pics?
just because HE photoshopped them (and who gives a fuck if he is a graphic artist, he probably isn't anyway -talk is cheap - he probably works at McDonalds like you do) does NOT mean that someone else did.
your accusations about photoshopping are absolutely pathetic.
its the only way your hero has a chance against Ronnie 99, and your only line of defense left.
and its total bullshit as everyone can see.
you refuse to believe the truth because the truth shows your stupidity.
you are a sad sad man. :-\
meltdown # 4762 ;) personal attacks prove your desperate.
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meltdown # 4762 ;) personal attacks prove your desperate.
and refusing to deal with the reality of 99 Ronnie shows you are desperate
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8)
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his reason is that if admits that he believes you (the truth) dorian gets crushed by 99 Ronnie like everyone knows.
thats his reason.
he is pathetic.
he won't admit it because admitting it is admitting dorian loses badly like reality shows.
his cowardly exit from the truce thread shows deep down that he knows 99 Ronnie owns dorian.
but he can't deal with it so he runs like the pussy that he is.
typical ND.
when the going gets tough, he bails.
meltdown # 4763
I didn't bail on the truce thread I won ;) big difference
how did I win? Ronnie concedes defeat to Dorian right before the 1999 Mr Olympia which you think is his best LMMFAO and at the recap of his career same sentiment , I couldn't beat Dorian , old news
you've been crushed on every stupid ignorant claim you've made , from 1999 being his best showing , to him having better conditioning , to him being grainier to him having better calves . I own you at will its not even sport anymore its taken advantage of the handicapped
Bizzy admitted to photoshopping the pictures YOU NO LONGER post lol thats proof positive , his admission and your lack of posting them ! what does Hulkster do in the face of proof? deny , deny , deny ( old news ) to sum up what one poster said after the Ronnie quotes
" looks like ND was right , Hulkster just wasted 2 years of his life for nothing " ;)
you're wrong on so many counts especially 1999 being his best ever showing I don't fear 99 I could care less pick a year Dorian is still drier & harder , he still has better balance & proportion , he still has better posing & presentation , you are still iceskating up-hill
Dorian beats Ronnie , I beat you . you follow me around because I kicked your ass I don't follow you I don't need to post on the truce thread I won you are a loser. ;)
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and refusing to deal with the reality of 99 Ronnie shows you are desperate
refusal? man you're dumb I've addressed everything about 1999 , 1999 is old news its NOT even his best showing Ronnie has said this , Mcgough has said this , Perine has said this 1999 is nothing compared to 2001
Ronnie 1999 is not as hard or as dry as Dorian , he's not more balanced or has better proportion , he sure as hell doesn't have better posing & presentation , he's not carrying more muscular bulk than Dorian at his best you have nothing as usual .
see loser. ;)
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lol poor Dorian is being owned in this shot.. He lost the 94-97 Mr. Olympias and can't hold Ronnie's gym bag.
Sometime you make some good posts but this isn't one of them , you've been reduced to trolling . and get serious at that comparison Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's and Yates' waist is just as narrow as Ronnies and you're claiming victory on that shot? lol
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Dorian blows Ronnie 99 out of the water ! no excuses no nonsense both black & white photos
Dorian carries more muscular bulk , has harder & drier , has better balance & proportion and the posing & presentation in this pose isn't really an advantage for Yates because the back double biceps shot is one Ronnie can actually do correctly and Yates destroys him according to the criteria
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Dorian is the best bodybuilder of all time.
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Dorian is the best bodybuilder of all time.
See I don't even agree with that statement , however he would beat Ronnie at their respective bests.
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See I don't even agree with that statement , however he would beat Ronnie at their respective bests.
What?!?
So who's the best bodybuilder of all time, according to you? Steve Reeves? :D
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What?!?
So who's the best bodybuilder of all time, according to you? Steve Reeves? :D
That depends on context , Ronnie with his 8 straight and his most career wins is really the greatest in this aspect and when he was spot on he had a hell of a physique , but I think Arnold is the greatest for many other reasons , he set the precedents for 6 straight Olympias , 5 Mr Universes , and all he's done for the sport etc , I also have huge respect for Steve Reeves and what he accomplished and Samir Bannout 1983 was just outstanding , to many variables .
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That depends on context , Ronnie with his 8 straight and his most career wins is really the greatest in this aspect and when he was spot on he had a hell of a physique , but I think Arnold is the greatest for many other reasons , he set the precedents for 6 straight Olympias , 5 Mr Universes , and all he's done for the sport etc , I also have huge respect for Steve Reeves and what he accomplished and Samir Bannout 1983 was just outstanding , to many variables .
Damn, and I thought Dorian was your favorite by far...
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Damn, and I thought Dorian was your favorite by far...
Thats the misconception he's not but the whole argument revolved around who would beat who at their best and thats Dorian . I always maintained Flex Wheeler 1993 would beat Dorian at his best , Dorian himself said the one guy who could give him trouble was a spot-on Flex Wheeler .
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Bullshit plain & simple you made a host of pictures that didn't match ANYTHING posted before and a graphic artist outed you NOT for some eastcost muscle picture either , NO it was the screencaps YOU made , you posted and your excuse was they were from a VHS copy ::) and forcedreps posted screencaps from a VHS copy that looked aboslutely nothing like the ones you posted , more proof you tampered with them plain & simple
bottom line you altered pics of Ronnie and without any preface and after I called you on it Hulkster continued to use them over pics that were already posted because he believed thats how he reallyed looked , you don't like being accused don't toy with pictures
both from VHS copies of the same contest , same frame they don't match because someone fucked with them period.
Hey nimrod,
bizzy screenshots are from the VHS tape.
Forcedreps shots are from the DVD:
"HQ screens directly from the official IFBB Mr.O DVD."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
Different versions of yates 95. They are both different colors. Which one is real? It's simple, one is from the Video and the other is from the DVD. None of them were tampered with. Same shyt with Ronnie 99. Get over it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2906950#msg2906950
Learn to read before you post your crap.
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Nonsense as usual period. the proof is right here period. both are VHS versions of the 1999 Mr Olympia same frame and yours do not match his coincidence? NO you already admitted to adjusting the lighting you get credit for that but again the irony of your screencaps looking exactly like the unsharp mask on photoshop thats not irony its thats a professional graphic artist outing you.
You're a moron. I proved your dumba$$ wrong about this since last year, but all you did was not reply to it and now all of a sudden you bring this shyt up thinking you proved something. Is that all you have, is excuses about photoshop being used? Read my other post and get it through that thick skull of yours.
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Like I said earlier, I had no knowledge that tool even exsisted
when I posted my video caps of the 1999 Olympia.
I don't know why you are so cynical of people but I'm sure you have your reasons.
I'm going to show forced reps video capture in full and the one from
my DVD. With very little inspection, anyone can tell that they are not the same frame.
Why? Because one is from Forced Reps VHS and the other is from mine.
I'm convinced that I'm not going to convince you so I'll leave it at that.
It's really a big waste of my time and a futile attempt at this point.
Forcedrep shot is from the:
"Official IFBB Mr.O DVD"
both of you guys seem not to be aware of the correct source of Forcedreps screenshots. Here is the direct link
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
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How the f*ck did Ronnie get involved in this thread anyway?
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Learn to read before you post your crap.
Don't hold your breath expecting a sudden burst of honesty from her. ;D
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Hey nimrod,
bizzy screenshots are from the VHS tape.
Forcedreps shots are from the DVD:
"HQ screens directly from the official IFBB Mr.O DVD."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
Different versions of yates 95. They are both different colors. Which one is real? It's simple, one is from the Video and the other is from the DVD. None of them were tampered with. Same shyt with Ronnie 99. Get over it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2906950#msg2906950
Learn to read before you post your crap.
Hey idiot forcedreps originally posted 99 Olympia screencaps from a VHS copy and guess what they looked NOTHING like the ones from a VHS copy that ' bizzy ' posted and again its blatantly obvious he toyed with the screencaps confirmed by a graphic artist
and further more the Yates versions is one is from a crappy compressed Youtube screengrab and the other is from a DVD big difference now look at these two BOTH from a VHS copy of the contest huge discrepancy for a reason ;) and I was waiting for you to pop up in this thread for a reason ;)
bottom line Bizzy admitted to working some screencaps in the beginning Hulkster was exposed for using them knowing they were phoshopped and then he stopped using them for a reason .
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Forcedrep shot is from the:
"Official IFBB Mr.O DVD"
both of you guys seem not to be aware of the correct source of Forcedreps screenshots. Here is the direct link
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
forcedreps
BTW, the yates 93 pics/vids were ripped from the original DVD in very high quality and the coleman 99 pics/vids were taken from a crapy VHS tape cause I was too lazy to search on my DVD's for the 99 MR.O.
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Hey idiot forcedreps originally posted 99 Olympia screencaps from a VHS copy and guess what they looked NOTHING like the ones from a VHS copy that ' bizzy ' posted and again its blatantly obvious he toyed with the screencaps confirmed by a graphic artist
and further more the Yates versions is one is from a crappy compressed Youtube screengrab and the other is from a DVD big difference now look at these two BOTH from a VHS copy of the contest huge discrepancy for a reason ;) and I was waiting for you to pop up in this thread for a reason ;)
For fvck's sake give it a rest, u still have poor lighting and angles excuses to circle back to.
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hahaha ND is being owned once again like the prison bitch that he is, still bitter over reality:
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Sometime you make some good posts but this isn't one of them , you've been reduced to trolling .
Trolling = unrefutable points thus personal attacks take over.
Coleman on the same stage, same dominance. Only the judging and IFBB politics saved Yates' ass here.
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For fvck's sake give it a rest, u still have poor lighting and angles excuses to circle back to.
lol so true.
ND has a list of excuses 12 pages long to pick from..
::)
anything to prevent admitting this:
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hahaha ND is being owned once again like the prison bitch that he is, still bitter over reality:
Oh yeah its the 244 pound Ronnie with a thicker back than a 269 pound Dorian LMMFAO this is your quotelol hey just wondering does Ronnie 2001 have better detail in his calves than Dorian or just Ronnie 1999?
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Trolling = unrefutable points thus personal attacks take over.
Coleman on the same stage, same dominance. Only the judging and IFBB politics saved Yates' ass here.
unrefutable points? so you're now claiming Dorian lost the 1996 Olympia to Ronnie? LMMFAO same dominance? how does one ' dominate ' by losing? is this the same type of ' dominance ' that Ronnie had in 2001 when he lost the pre-judging? you mean that dominance?
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lol so true.
ND has a list of excuses 12 pages long to pick from..
::)
anything to prevent admitting this:
Excuses? riddle me this dummy why don't you post the photoshopped pic anymore if they were just an excuse? ;) you don't use them for a reason . lol
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Trolling = unrefutable points thus personal attacks take over.
Coleman on the same stage, same dominance. Only the judging and IFBB politics saved Yates' ass here.
The fact of the matter , Ronnie Coleman 1996 NOT even close to Dorian Yates no politics to save your ass now ;)
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Not that i expect a different answer but how anyone thinks the guy on the left is better than the guy on the right is beyond me. Carry on
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Not that i expect a different answer but how anyone thinks the guy on the left is better than the guy on the right is beyond me. Carry on
lol they come up with stupid desperate shit to explain away IFBB politics of course, because they're followers. Naively thinking that claiming something nonsensical over and over again's gonna change the mismatch. ;D
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Not that i expect a different answer but how anyone thinks the guy on the left is better than the guy on the right is beyond me. Carry on
The guy on the right thinks the guy on the left is better ;)
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lol they come up with stupid desperate shit to explain away IFBB politics of course, because they're followers. Naively thinking that claiming something nonsensical over and over again's gonna change the mismatch. ;D
See above................... ..............next ;)
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Hey idiot forcedreps originally posted 99 Olympia screencaps from a VHS copy and guess what they looked NOTHING like the ones from a VHS copy that ' bizzy ' posted and again its blatantly obvious he toyed with the screencaps confirmed by a graphic artist
and further more the Yates versions is one is from a crappy compressed Youtube screengrab and the other is from a DVD big difference now look at these two BOTH from a VHS copy of the contest huge discrepancy for a reason ;) and I was waiting for you to pop up in this thread for a reason ;)
bottom line Bizzy admitted to working some screencaps in the beginning Hulkster was exposed for using them knowing they were phoshopped and then he stopped using them for a reason .
Hey nimrod,
Are you this dumb? It looks like english is your second language. I will post this again.
What does forcedreps say in this post? Open the link dumba$$ and read it. He says:
"HQ screens directly from the official IFBB Mr.O DVD."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
VHS and DVD's all always different colors. Bizzy transfered his VHS content onto a DVD. Which means Bizzy has the VHS version. Now reply and tell us all what forcepreps says in the link above. That's all you have to do. If you can't do it, then we all know you're wrong.
It doesn't matter. yates 95' video is a different color from the yates 95' DVD. Same shyt with 99 Ronnie.
Guess what? I popped up and proved your dumba$$ wrong again. Now go the f*ck home and finish those english courses.
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The guy on the right thinks the guy on the left is better ;)
and this matters because... ::)
you don't seem to understand (like so many things that everyone is owning you on in this and so many other threads) is that just because he did does NOT mean that he WAS.
learn the difference nimrod LOL
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Excuses? riddle me this dummy why don't you post the photoshopped pic anymore if they were just an excuse? ;) you don't use them for a reason . lol
first of all, I don't even know which pics you are claiming are photoshopped because they are all real, just from different sources, as everyone is trying to get through your impossibly thick english is not my first language skull..
::)
secondly, Bizzy's shots (and Iceman's) are of BETTER quality than some of the first available shots from the contest, so I use them.
better resolution = better representation of the true quality of ronnie's physique.
thirdly, why are you not listening to Iceman and Bizzy who are thoroughly owning your cowardly ass on this matter?
are your truly that stupid?
please tell us.
oh, and just for the record, EVEN THE FIRST VERSIONS OF THE 99 RONNIE SHOTS STILL BLOW DORIAN OUT OF THE WATER.
does the phrase "countdown to excuses' ring a bell? ::)
so tell us, who cares if you think they are photoshopped when the versions you claim are not photoshopped are STILL better than Dorian?
please explain prison bitch lol
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and this matters because... ::)
you don't seem to understand (like so many things that everyone is owning you on in this and so many other threads) is that just because he did does NOT mean that he WAS.
learn the difference nimrod LOL
yates said they would choose Ronnie over him. Guess what? that means Ronnie would beat him and win. It doesn't matter how he said it. All that matters is, Ronnie would win according to him (yates). Same shyt the other way around with Ronnie talking about yates. It doesn't matter who says what. Most experts and fans think Ronnie is the best ever and would beat anyone.
An article bizzy posted a while back:
Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?
By Lonnie Teper
I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.
Quote, Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"
Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.
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ND will grasp at any straw to avoid admitting what everyone can see..
and to avoid posting on his embarassingly bad ownage thread.. aka the truce thread.
the cowardly lion is being owned yet again..
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Guess what? I popped up and proved your dumba$$ wrong again. Now go the f*ck home and finish those english courses.
lol its so easy to own the prison bitch..
ND has the reading comprehension skills of a 4 year old :-\,
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Most experts and fans think Ronnie is the best ever and would beat anyone.
and the thing that ND cannot seem to understand, is that all these pics and videos of Ronnie in top shape VERIFY these opiinions.
all he clings to is an opinion that is contradicted by all visual evidence..
great argument LOL ::)
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nasser won the mr olympia in 1997.
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Hey nimrod,
Are you this dumb? It looks like english is your second language. I will post this again.
What does forcedreps say in this post? Open the link dumba$$ and read it. He says:
"HQ screens directly from the official IFBB Mr.O DVD."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
VHS and DVD's all always different colors. Bizzy transfered his VHS content onto a DVD. Which means Bizzy has the VHS version. Now reply and tell us all what forcepreps says in the link above. That's all you have to do. If you can't do it, then we all know you're wrong.
It doesn't matter. yates 95' video is a different color from the yates 95' DVD. Same shyt with 99 Ronnie.
Guess what? I popped up and proved your dumba$$ wrong again. Now go the f*ck home and finish those english courses.
Moron did you miss the quote saying the 99 screencaps were from a VHS copy? did you miss quote from Bizzy saying he photoshopped some pics? did you miss the point where the professional graphic artist outed him? yeah I thought so
you didn't prove me wrong on ANY point as usual !
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Moron did you miss the quote saying the 99 screencaps were from a VHS copy? did you miss quote from Bizzy saying he photoshopped some pics? did you miss the point where the professional graphic artist outed him? yeah I thought so
you didn't prove me wrong on ANY point as usual !
MELTDOWN
Chew on this kid..
Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
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and this matters because... ::)
you don't seem to understand (like so many things that everyone is owning you on in this and so many other threads) is that just because he did does NOT mean that he WAS.
learn the difference nimrod LOL
No the man in question doesn't matter ::) the internet-fan-boys matter but the greatest bodybuilder ever doesn't LMMFAO and I guess ' everyone ' is owning Ronnie too lol this just keep getting funnier by the post , the fan-boys are out in full force defending a hero who does NOT even agree with them lol
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first of all, I don't even know which pics you are claiming are photoshopped because they are all real, just from different sources, as everyone is trying to get through your impossibly thick english is not my first language skull..
::)
secondly, Bizzy's shots (and Iceman's) are of BETTER quality than some of the first available shots from the contest, so I use them.
better resolution = better representation of the true quality of ronnie's physique.
thirdly, why are you not listening to Iceman and Bizzy who are thoroughly owning your cowardly ass on this matter?
are your truly that stupid?
please tell us.
oh, and just for the record, EVEN THE FIRST VERSIONS OF THE 99 RONNIE SHOTS STILL BLOW DORIAN OUT OF THE WATER.
does the phrase "countdown to excuses' ring a bell? ::)
so tell us, who cares if you think they are photoshopped when the versions you claim are not photoshopped are STILL better than Dorian?
please explain prison bitch lol
see meltdown ;)
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yates said they would choose Ronnie over him. Guess what? that means Ronnie would beat him and win. It doesn't matter how he said it. All that matters is, Ronnie would win according to him (yates). Same shyt the other way around with Ronnie talking about yates. It doesn't matter who says what. Most experts and fans think Ronnie is the best ever and would beat anyone.
An article bizzy posted a while back:
Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?
By Lonnie Teper
I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.
Quote, Joe Weider:
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.
Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.
Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.
Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.
Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.
Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.
Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.
Craig Richardson: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.
Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.
Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.
Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.
Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.
Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.
Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.
King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!
Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.
Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"
Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.
see meltdown and Yates never said Ronnie would beat him thats a lie he said and I quote " I guess I don't know great job omitting that part for a reason ;)
all those quotes mean DICK compared to the two Ronnie made lol shall I post them? ;) yeah I thought so
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are you guys still arguing? ::)
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are you guys still arguing? ::)
No argument , Ronnie stopped all that just bitter Coleman fans looking for revenge for the asspounding they got by their own hero lol
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Ronnie doesn't think Dorian would beat him , he KNOWS so lol choke on that Ronnie fan-boys
owned by your own hero right before the 1999 Mr Olympia lol ........................ ..........next
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Someone just ought to ask an IFBB official who's judged both
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see meltdown ;)
respond to the points in my post you coward!
no wonder you are so dumb - instead of responding to points against you you just ignore them like you do all visuals shwoing dorian getting owned.. ::)
we all await your response..
you might have been able to run away from the truce thread, but sooner or later you are going to have to try and come up with a reponse to all the points that we all have raised against you.
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first of all, I don't even know which pics you are claiming are photoshopped because they are all real, just from different sources, as everyone is trying to get through your impossibly thick english is not my first language skull..
::)
secondly, Bizzy's shots (and Iceman's) are of BETTER quality than some of the first available shots from the contest, so I use them.
better resolution = better representation of the true quality of ronnie's physique.
thirdly, why are you not listening to Iceman and Bizzy who are thoroughly owning your cowardly ass on this matter?
are your truly that stupid?
please tell us.
oh, and just for the record, EVEN THE FIRST VERSIONS OF THE 99 RONNIE SHOTS STILL BLOW DORIAN OUT OF THE WATER.
does the phrase "countdown to excuses' ring a bell? ::)
so tell us, who cares if you think they are photoshopped when the versions you claim are not photoshopped are STILL better than Dorian?
please explain prison bitch lol
the post ND runs from just like he ran from the truce thread.
when ND gets owned he bails as usual.
typical ND.. ::)
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you can really see how ND operates:
he posts bullshit.
everyone calls him on said bullshit
instead of responding to the refuting points, he just says 'meltdown'
and ingores it all. ::)
you are pathetic ND. you truly are.
we all pity you.
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Dillet was a beast.
If he had a back, wasn't so lazy and took some posing lessons he could have been a multiple Mr. Olympia.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80614.0;attach=252819;image)
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Dillet was a beast.
If he had a back, wasn't so lazy and took some posing lessons he could have been a multiple Mr. Olympia.
You've fallen for the usual back BS..
-His back was virtually his only flaw, he blew out Yates from the front and sides.
-Back really wan't that bad, lacked only detail had pretty good width.
-Posing sure, but that alone wasn't enough in IFBB contests to lose..
Bottom line uncle joe preferred pasty british lips to black, spanish and middle eastern alternatives.
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Someone just ought to ask an IFBB official who's judged both
Good idea, expect him to be about as forthright as ND who naively claims they'd be upfront and spill the beans for no reason whatsoever. ::)
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yeah, according to cowardly NaiveDiety, no contest in history has ever been impartial because the judges would have come out and told us all...
::)
no wonder this idiot runs away.. ::)
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respond to the points in my post you coward!
no wonder you are so dumb - instead of responding to points against you you just ignore them like you do all visuals shwoing dorian getting owned.. ::)
we all await your response..
you might have been able to run away from the truce thread, but sooner or later you are going to have to try and come up with a reponse to all the points that we all have raised against you.
Everything you every conceived of was addressed , corrected and dismissed . I've explained ad nasuem in detail why and how Dorian would beat Ronnie for you to claim the contrary shows just how stupid you are.
Dorian beats Ronnie because................. ....................fuck you lol its been explains way to many times for your retard brain to comprehend. ;)
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You've fallen for the usual back BS..
-His back was virtually his only flaw, he blew out Yates from the front and sides.
-Back really wan't that bad, lacked only detail had pretty good width.
-Posing sure, but that alone wasn't enough in IFBB contests to lose..
Bottom line uncle joe preferred pasty british lips to black, spanish and middle eastern alternatives.
usual back bullshit lol his back sucked , his posing sucked and his conditioning & density almost always sucked , even with Yates out of the picture he still couldn't close the deal compared to his contemporaries so much for your theories
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Moron did you miss the quote saying the 99 screencaps were from a VHS copy? did you miss quote from Bizzy saying he photoshopped some pics? did you miss the point where the professional graphic artist outed him? yeah I thought so
you didn't prove me wrong on ANY point as usual !
You just refuse to open the link, huh? Answer the question. What does forcedreps say in his post in this link?:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067#msg1727067
Bizzy posted the VHS screencaps and all of them match the official IFBB 99 VHS video. Forcedreps posted the DVD screencaps and match the official IFBB DVD. Bizzy put the VHS video content onto a DVD. Forcedreps screenshots are from the Official IFBB DVD Content. Which means they are from different sources (VHS video & DVD). Get it?
Stop beating around the bush and answer the question above. Then you will finally realize what a fool you made yourself look like.
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ND always avoids questions from people like me and you who own him.
if he runs from the question, he doesn't have to give the anwer.
what a pathetic coward. :-\
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Hilarious speculation as usual, given that i'm white
I don't believe that you're white for a second. Why would a white guy call Dorian a "blocky white guy" or say that "Dorian was excellent for a English white guy". this condescending tone towards white poeple does not strike me as something that a white person would say.
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Dorian was awesome in his prime and he revolutionized bbing in terms of training, drugs, size, conditioning, and tonnes more
he's also one of the few retired pro's who still has an impressive physique
that being said, it's hard to defend his victory in 1997
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14572-4/1997-mr-olympia-62.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14976-3/1997-mr-olympia-110.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14948-4/1997-mr-olympia-103.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14944-4/1997-mr-olympia-102.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=215855.0;attach=253213;image)
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that being said, it's hard to defend his victory in 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1997.. 8)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14572-4/1997-mr-olympia-62.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14976-3/1997-mr-olympia-110.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14948-4/1997-mr-olympia-103.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14944-4/1997-mr-olympia-102.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d5542f985824531bbd08e7667cdabc82)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=215855.0;attach=253213;image)
agreed!
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I don't believe that you're white for a second. Why would a white guy call Dorian a "blocky white guy" or say that "Dorian was excellent for a English white guy". this condescending tone towards white poeple does not strike me as something that a white person would say.
pumpster has posted pics.
He's as white as they come.
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pumpster has posted pics.
He's as white as they come.
He is white just like you're not an Arabian Muslim. Lol...
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He is white just like you're not an Arabian Muslim. Lol...
I have proven unequivocally that you are Sucky. Everyone agrees.
:-*
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He is white just like you're not an Arabian Muslim. Lol...
Skinhead dogma right here. Wrong again, it's a pattern.
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Skinhead dogma right here. Wrong again, it's a pattern.
Your racism disgusts me.
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I have proven unequivocally that you are Sucky. Everyone agrees.
:-*
You haven proved anything, and I have reported you for stalking. I am not Suckmymuscle, dude. Sorry to disappoint you there. I know you have a homosexual attraction for the guy, but it's not my thing.
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Your racism disgusts me.
Your skinhead positions and exclusive support of fellow pasty white britishers in lieu of superior BBs of other ethnicities sickens me. :P :-*
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Your skinhead positions and exclusive support of fellow pasty white britishers in lieu of superior BBs of other ethnicities sickens me. :P :-*
ill fight u on neutral territory