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http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/03/nypd-chokehold-cop-not-indicted-in-death
Fuckin' guy was selling single cigs in NYC which is illegal because of tax revenue collection. The cop kills him with a chokehold and there's FUCKING VIDEO OF IT. A chokehold is prohibited by the NYPD and the cop gets off. No indictment.
The reason that progs WON'T flock to this? Because it might shine a light on the stupid fucking taxation policies of one of their liberal havens.
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I agree. At least based on the video that cop(s) should have been charged.
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:o That is outrageous, the Blackman was not being aggressive
Or really putting up much of a struggle.
He can be clearly heard saying I Can't Breathe.
Prosecuting the Police thugs involved would be
The right thing to do.
No excuses.
Why no public outcry on this murder / death by Police.
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Not good.
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time for a gentle giant law addendum ?
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Not good.
Why not? He was black. ???
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I don't think this was racial but he should have been charged.
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Get a life stupid son of a bitch, stop pretending to be a politician.
Are you addressing me, Halo?
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Why not? He was black. ???
You're trying to hard. I bet that 90% of your posts are just like this one.
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Choke hold didn't kill him. No Hyloid damage, Petechial, etc.... Can still be heard alive after, etc....
City won't press this, because it makes them look bad. A lot of coffers are filled from small bullshit arrests like these, and it makes for those nice Comstat numbers.
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I don't think this was racial but he should have been charged.
The other incident wasn't racial either but this was clearly caught on video and again, based on the video that cop should have been charged. Unless something happened before the video was shot.
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Choke hold didn't kill him. No Hyloid damage, Petechial, etc.... Can still be heard alive after, etc....
City won't press this, because it makes them look bad. A lot of coffers are filled from small bullshit arrests like these, and it makes for those nice Comstat numbers.
*Hyoid
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The other incident wasn't racial either but this was clearly caught on video and again, based on the video that cop should have been charged. Unless something happened before the video was shot.
I agree, neither was racial. As far as I can tell from the video there were grounds to charge the guy.
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One big dude. This does look more like an accident. The big dude was resisting and wouldn't put his hands behind his back...I wouldn't want to be the cop that did this though. Probably has a target on his head...The cops in this situation should have surrounded him and kept asking him to sit down before moving in with a choke hold...
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The corrupt fucking NY court finding nothing wrong with this. Someone should choke out the fucking judge. this also pissed me off. Fucking stupid loser cops.
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negros going to nig and coppers going to cop.
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I'm reading he died of a heart attack.
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negros going to nig and coppers going to cop.
And shit balls going to post threads about irrelevant incidents like this over and over again.
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And shit balls going to post threads about irrelevant incidents like this over and over again.
It's fascinating at how people are outraged at guys resisting arrest getting hurt.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/03/nypd-chokehold-cop-not-indicted-in-death
Fuckin' guy was selling single cigs in NYC which is illegal because of tax revenue collection. The cop kills him with a chokehold and there's FUCKING VIDEO OF IT. A chokehold is prohibited by the NYPD and the cop gets off. No indictment.
The reason that progs WON'T flock to this? Because it might shine a light on the stupid fucking taxation policies of one of their liberal havens.
That was not a choke hold. I guess you never learned chokes in jui jitsu. Two types of chokes. One cuts off air and the other cuts of the flow of blood to the carotid artery. The cop did neither. He had asthma, obesity and reported cardio vascular problems. He resisted arrest and I don't care what the arrest was for. You fight the case in court and not on the street. You have no constitutional right to resist arrest.
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I agree. At least based on the video that cop(s) should have been charged.
agree. they let him walk. cop was incompetent, and killed a man because he didn't follow procedure.
Put him behind a desk now. He doesn't need to be back on the street tomorrow playing wrestler again.
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It's fascinating at how people are outraged at guys resisting arrest getting hurt.
Just brainless imbeciles trying to be relevant.
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agree. they let him walk. cop was incompetent, and killed a man because he didn't follow procedure.
Put him behind a desk now. He doesn't need to be back on the street tomorrow playing wrestler again.
Kidding? The cop will go on paid leave for the next few years because of the traumatic event he had to endure.
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agree. they let him walk. cop was incompetent, and killed a man because he didn't follow procedure.
Put him behind a desk now. He doesn't need to be back on the street tomorrow playing wrestler again.
He did follow procedure. He used force on a guy that didn't want to be arrested. No bill on the grand jury says it wasn't a choke hold. Cops are allowed to use force on a guy who doesn't want to be arrested.
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That was not a choke hold. I guess you never learned chokes in jui jitsu. Two types of chokes. One cuts off air and the other cuts of the flow of blood to the carotid artery. The cop did neither. He had asthma, obesity and reported cardio vascular problems. He resisted arrest and I don't care what the arrest was for. You fight the case in court and not on the street. You have no constitutional right to resist arrest.
I guess you missed the part where the NYPD and the courts called it a "chokehold". Maybe it doesn't pass your rigorous test for chokeholdness, but it was held to be one.
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He did follow procedure. He used force on a guy that didn't want to be arrested. No bill on the grand jury says it wasn't a choke hold. Cops are allowed to use force on a guy who doesn't want to be arrested.
they can use some kinds of force. They can't use others. They can't do a lot of things.
This was ruled a chokehold. He didn't mean to do it. But he did it. He did violate NYPD policy.
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Clearly some of the posters on here have lead totally exemplary lives
And are of the belief that police & judiciary are beyond Reproach.
I haven't & don't believe in the fairy tale Police & justice system
Sometimes just like us they F#ck up.
That man may have deserved to be arrested, He did not deserve to die.
Police motto is it.... To serve & protect.
Not much protection for that man.
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You're trying to hard. I bet that 90% of your posts are just like this one.
Nope, my kind are violent animals. Don't you remember? Good job police officer.
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Clearly some of the posters on here have lead totally exemplary lives
And are of the belief that police & judiciary are beyond Reproach.
I haven't & don't believe in the fairy tale Police & justice system
Sometimes just like us they F#ck up.
That man may have deserved to be arrested, He did not deserve to die.
Police motto is it.... To serve & protect.
Not much protection for that man.
Its a hard case this one.
Obviously the police officers involved did not think they were going to kill or wanted to kill him. They tried talking him and then got frustrated when he stated that he was not going to be arrested. They then made the choice to subdue him.
There is negligence of some sort here, but I am not sure what the police officers could have done differently other than wait him out somehow and continue to try a calm approach. A tazer would have certainly killed him. Rubber bullets probably would have killed him. This "chokehold" did not choke the life out of him, but did contribute to the ensuing heart attack. He was most likely on the verge of dying pretty soon and all it would take is some event such as this.
He had 30 prior arrests and I would like to see his criminal record or what the officers knew about him.
This was not murder, but I think there is a case for negligence and a civil suit/wrongful death perhaps. I need to read more on this case and I would like to see what the Grand Jury had before them.
(oops, looks like I forgot to mention race. Oh wait, thats right, it has nothing to do with race at all)
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they could have shot him with a tranquilizer dart. Eventually he would slow down, get drowsy, and fall asleep.
Its a hard case this one.
Obviously the police officers involved did not think they were going to kill or wanted to kill him. They tried talking him and then got frustrated when he stated that he was not going to be arrested. They then made the choice to subdue him.
There is negligence of some sort here, but I am not sure what the police officers could have done differently other than wait him out somehow and continue to try a calm approach. A tazer would have certainly killed him. Rubber bullets probably would have killed him. This "chokehold" did not choke the life out of him, but did contribute to the ensuing heart attack. He was most likely on the verge of dying pretty soon and all it would take is some event such as this.
He had 30 prior arrests and I would like to see his criminal record or what the officers knew about him.
This was not murder, but I think there is a case for negligence and a civil suit/wrongful death perhaps. I need to read more on this case and I would like to see what the Grand Jury had before them.
(oops, looks like I forgot to mention race. Oh wait, thats right, it has nothing to do with race at all)
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Its a hard case this one.
Obviously the police officers involved did not think they were going to kill or wanted to kill him. They tried talking him and then got frustrated when he stated that he was not going to be arrested. They then made the choice to subdue him.
There is negligence of some sort here, but I am not sure what the police officers could have done differently other than wait him out somehow and continue to try a calm approach. A tazer would have certainly killed him. Rubber bullets probably would have killed him. This "chokehold" did not choke the life out of him, but did contribute to the ensuing heart attack. He was most likely on the verge of dying pretty soon and all it would take is some event such as this.
He had 30 prior arrests and I would like to see his criminal record or what the officers knew about him.
This was not murder, but I think there is a case for negligence and a civil suit/wrongful death perhaps. I need to read more on this case and I would like to see what the Grand Jury had before them.
(oops, looks like I forgot to mention race. Oh wait, thats right, it has nothing to do with race at all)
Very good post.
I don't think it was a intentional death.
I do think with the amount of police they could
Have easily have handled him differently and got him
To the ground / put hand cuffs on him.
Negligence & poor or little police training.
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they could have shot him with a tranquilizer dart. Eventually he would slow down, get drowsy, and fall asleep.
This isn't ace ventura, pet detective.
Cops dont just carry tranq darts.
You would think they would, due to dealing with a lot of animals though.
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I wonder why big boy was resisting arrest???
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I wonder why big boy was resisting arrest???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Because fuck da police man!!!!
;) ;D.
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Because fuck da police man!!!!
;) ;D.
I wonder if he would have still been choked out by a tiny little cop if he had said "yessur yessur I surrender"
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Usually pretty objective on the cop vids, often siding with the officer(s) involved. That said, this, and some of the other NYPD clips indicate a HUGE problem with their cops. These are the dudes who need to be under the microscope, for sure.
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Usually pretty objective on the cop vids, often siding with the officer(s) involved. That said, this, and some of the other NYPD clips indicate a HUGE problem with their cops. These are the dudes who need to be under the microscope, for sure.
It's not so much the cops, but the higher ups policies of policing every little thing that puts everyone under stress.
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The good news is his family will get a good sized payout
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I hope this is a lesson to all people of all colors..
If a cop gives u a order / command.. listen to him / her..
Stop blaming it on racism... you know he has authority over you..
People are stupid challenging any type of law enforcement officers..
It's a losing situation that can be avoided...
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It's not so much the cops, but the higher ups policies of policing every little thing that puts everyone under stress.
But the cops themselves go out of their way to escalate every encounter, it seems.
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I agree. At least based on the video that cop(s) should have been charged.
well Coach, this is why black people protest about racism and police brutality....you think its just whining and complaining...here as you said, the murder was caught on video tape with the cop using and illegal chokehold and he STILL walks....this is why blacks say that the lives of black people mean nothing
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But the cops themselves go out of their way to escalate every encounter, it seems.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But much of that is coming from above. The quotas, etc.... that come with modern urban policing are what causes this. I'm sure that cop would rather be chasing down real ne'er-do-wells, but he doesn't want the commanding saying "where's that cigarette seller you needed to grab up?" or "where's x amount of tickets for this month?".
Lots of blame can be spread all around for this one.
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well Coach, this is why black people protest about racism and police brutality....you think its just whining and complaining...here as you said, the murder was caught on video tape with the cop using and illegal chokehold and he STILL walks....this is why blacks say that the lives of black people mean nothing
It happens to white people all the time too. Its not a racial thing.
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Al Sharpton is staying very busy and continuing to avoid paying his taxes or for anything else. He has found a new way to loot!
Years of massive corruption by the man known for stirring up race relations and making them worse are finally being exposed. While flying around the country first class, dressed in lavish suits, and most recently stirring the pot in Ferguson, Mo., Al Sharpton has avoided paying millions in taxes - that would have landed the rest of us in prison. The situation is so egregious that even the left-wing New York Times finally wrote a long article last week exposing Sharpton’s tax evasion as well as graft and crime going all the way back to his teenage years.
The Times found there is currently more than $4.5 million in state and federal tax liens against Sharpton and his for-profit businesses. That number apparently doesn’t even include the amount owed by his nonprofit, the National Action Network (NAN). According to the Times, “Mr. Sharpton has regularly sidestepped the sorts of obligations most people see as inevitable, like taxes, rent and other bills.” Sharpton repeatedly failed to pay off travel agencies, hotels and landlords. A Treasury report found that only 1,200 organizations in the entire country owed more than $100,000 in unpaid payroll taxes, making Sharpton’s group one of the most delinquent.
NAN was able to afford Sharpton’s one percenter salary of $250,000 annually by not paying federal payroll taxes on its employees. A sympathetic writer at the New York Daily News says Sharpton told him in 2008 that he made $750,000 that year from media gigs alone. He speculated that after MSNBC hired Sharpton, his annual income must have exceeded $1 million.
It is incredible that Sharpton would continue to collect a $250,000 annual salary from NAN even though the organization was years behind in taxes. The Times reports that Sharpton also illegally used funds from NAN to pay for his daughter’s private school tuition.
Sharpton responded to the article, claiming that he has been paying the delinquent taxes down, but the Times contradicted this, stating that the amount owed to the state had actually been increasing.
A quick Google news search reveals the latest Americans sentenced to prison for tax evasion owed significantly lesser amounts than Sharpton. A physician in Wisconsin was sentenced to a year and a half in federal prison last month for not paying $191,000 in income tax and lying about it. For evading over half a million in taxes, two brothers known for their sports-car racing teams were sentenced to one year in prison for one brother, and five months in prison for the other.
Republican lobbyist and businessman Albert Pirro, Jr., the ex-husband of district attorney and Fox News host Jeanine Pirro, was sentenced in 2000 to 29 months in federal prison for improperly deducting $1.2 million in tax write-offs.
None of the amounts of these previous offenders even comes close to the $4.5 million in taxes Sharpton hasn’t paid. Failing to file a tax return for a year in which taxes are owed is a crime punishable by a fine and a prison sentence of up to one year. If the failure was done willfully to evade taxation, it is a felony punishable by a fine and up to five years in prison.
Sharpton has apparently been getting away with tax evasion for a decade. According to the Times, Sharpton’s failure to pay taxes goes back to at least 2004, when NAN underpaid the federal government by $900,000 in taxes, which increased every year to almost $1.9 million by 2006.
It is unlikely Sharpton will ever serve a day behind bars. The left - which controls much of our legal system and currently the IRS - frequently looks the other way at its own who commit tax fraud - especially those high in prominence (the one percenters). Former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle are two prominent Democrat politicians who were offered plumb positions in the Obama administration despite a history of tax evasion.
During Geithner’s confirmation hearing for Treasury Secretary, it came out that he had not paid $35,000 in Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes from 2001 through 2004. Although he was about to become one of the leading figures in charge of finance in the country, with a prestigious background that included an education at Dartmouth College and serving as the ninth President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, his explanation of blaming TurboTax was bought, and nothing ever happened to him; he went on to hold the powerful post for several years.
Daschle failed to pay taxes as a consultant and took deductions for contributions he was not entitled to take in the mid-to-late 2000s. He paid back $140,167 in 2009 when called to account for it, but still reportedly owed thousands in Medicare taxes. Once his tax evasion became public, his name was withdrawn as a cabinet member in the Obama administration; nevertheless, he was not prosecuted, and never served a day in jail.
According to Jim Sleeper, a writer for Salon who has done investigative portrayals of Sharpton over the years, former New York City Mayor Ed Koch once described to him Sharpton’s connections with powerful leaders this way, “He plays them like a piano board.” Long known for shaking down corporations for money, Sharpton admitted to Sleeper in 1992 that “society is basically a hustle from top to bottom.”
New York Democrat Mayor Bill DeBlasio - even though he admitted he had not read the Times article - immediately came to Sharpton’s defense, calling him an “important civil rights leader” and saying he “knew a lot of good people” who had struggled with tax troubles.
Sharpton frequently pals around with Obama, adding a further level of insulation from prosecution as well as reinforcement of his shakedown tactics. At Sharpton’s recent 60th birthday party, attended by a raft of leftist celebrities, an Obama representative read a message from the president, praising him for his “dedication to the righteous cause of perfecting our union.” He should have hailed Sharpton instead as the greatest scofflaw of the Union in the 21st century.
Taxes are a clever way to use the government to unfairly target conservatives, because tax laws have become so complex that no one knows what to think - yes, they’re guilty because they broke the law vs. no, it must be targeting because the laws are so difficult they are only selectively enforced.
It is no longer possible to trust the government under this administration. Leftist one percenters who violate the law generally get a free pass, while unconnected, middle-class Americans and political conservatives are unjustly targeted using government resources. It is well known that this Democrat administration used the IRS to wrongfully target innocent conservative groups for purely political reasons. Until this administration is removed from office, criminals will get a free pass and conservatives should be afraid.
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It happens to white people all the time too. Its not a racial thing.
just because it happens to white peole too doesn't mean its not racial.....
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just because it happens to white peole too doesn't mean its not racial.....
Huh?
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I hope this is a lesson to all people of all colors..
If a cop gives u a order / command.. listen to him / her..
Stop blaming it on racism... you know he has authority over you..
People are stupid challenging any type of law enforcement officers..
It's a losing situation that can be avoided...
Just like that young man that went to go get his drivers license when the police officer asked him too, only to get shot at several times. ::)
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I agree. At least based on the video that cop(s) should have been charged.
Wow I'm shocked to read this coming from you.
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I also read it was a heart attack that killed him. BTW there are different types of "choke" holds. The arm bar one is the one the closes off the windpipe and if that was used the perp wouldn't be able to vocalize that he couldn't breath. The other is commonly uses by MMA fighters can SEEM like you can't breath but you can and do until you pass out from lack of blood flow.
I've had a buddy who is a black belt in BJJ do it to me... it was an interesting experience..tingling feeling, tunnel vision then you wake up with your friends standing over you laughing their ass off :)
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I think it's a, conspiracy both guys were wearing grey t shirts with beige khaki shorts!!! 8)
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well Coach, this is why black people protest about racism and police brutality....you think its just whining and complaining...here as you said, the murder was caught on video tape with the cop using and illegal chokehold and he STILL walks....this is why blacks say that the lives of black people mean nothing
A black life only has value when it is taken by a white person.
THe only time that black life is worthy of marches and protest is when a white person is the culprit.
NO outcry from the hundreds of blacks killed this year in Chi-town alone this year.
You REMAIN silent on the issue of Blacks killing blacks
Listen to David... He will take you to school.
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A black life only has value when it is taken by a white person.
THe only time that black life is worthy of marches and protest is when a white person is the culprit.
NO outcry from the hundreds of blacks killed this year in Chi-town alone this year.
You REMAIN silent on the issue of Blacks killing blacks
Listen to David... He will take you to school.
Link no good but you make an excellent point n your post. Also, where's the outrage when a Hispanic or white person gets killed by a cop. If anything black cops have it best..they can't be accused of any type of wrong doing if they shoot someone.
Wait... that's it!! This is how we solve the overcrowding in our prison system and get rid of waste of air criminals... lets only hire black officers!! Tell them to shoot everyone committing a felony at least 12x. No Sharpton, no media, no problems :)
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Two Fine Men Walking in the Gates of Heaven!
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Crime doesn't warrant the punishment.
What kind of person, color, or whatever Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner was, it doesn't matter. They are Americans, and they are people. That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
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That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
Back off, pisspot. It's the "conservatives" here that are the most outraged at this, dumbass.
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That gutless midget pig freak killed that guy and he received a paid vacation for doing it. If I was black I would kill every single pig I saw. I would teach my children to kill pigs on sight. I would give total strangers cash to kill pigs.
I'm white so I'll just go to the gym.
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they could have shot him with a tranquilizer dart. Eventually he would slow down, get drowsy, and fall asleep.
this rami bringing humble truth
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That gutless midget pig freak killed that guy and he received a paid vacation for doing it. If I was black I would kill every single pig I saw. I would teach my children to kill pigs on sight. I would give total strangers cash to kill pigs.
I'm white so I'll just go to the gym.
Have fun
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A black life only has value when it is taken by a white person.
THe only time that black life is worthy of marches and protest is when a white person is the culprit.
NO outcry from the hundreds of blacks killed this year in Chi-town alone this year.
You REMAIN silent on the issue of Blacks killing blacks
Listen to David... He will take you to school.
I'm commenting on thread topic...blacks killing blacks is not the topic...if you want me to comment on blacks killing blacks then start a thread about it ::)
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Crime doesn't warrant the punishment.
What kind of person, color, or whatever Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner was, it doesn't matter. They are Americans, and they are people. That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
EXACTLY...good job
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I'm commenting on thread topic...blacks killing blacks is not the topic...if you want me to comment on blacks killing blacks then start a thread about it ::)
David was right about you neegrows.
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Crime doesn't warrant the punishment.
What kind of person, color, or whatever Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner was, it doesn't matter. They are Americans, and they are people. That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
Not really.
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That gutless midget pig freak killed that guy and he received a paid vacation for doing it. If I was black I would kill every single pig I saw. I would teach my children to kill pigs on sight. I would give total strangers cash to kill pigs.
I'm white so I'll just go to the gym.
Did a "Most Retarded Poster on Getbig" contest begin that I was not aware of?
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I'm surprised the cop didn't get charged.
I'd be interested in seeing the demographics of the grand jury. My guess is you had a group of Staten Island Italians not wanting to indict one of their own.
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I hope this is a lesson to all people of all colors..
If a cop gives u a order / command.. listen to him / her..
Stop blaming it on racism... you know he has authority over you..
People are stupid challenging any type of law enforcement officers..
It's a losing situation that can be avoided...
??? You need to grow a spine......and a brain.
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I'm surprised the cop didn't get charged.
I'd be interested in seeing the demographics of the grand jury. My guess is you had a group of Staten Island Italians not wanting to indict one of their own.
23 jurors, with a mix of 14 white, 5 Black, 4 Latin.
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That gutless midget pig freak killed that guy and he received a paid vacation for doing it. If I was black I would kill every single pig I saw. I would teach my children to kill pigs on sight. I would give total strangers cash to kill pigs.
I'm white so I'll just go to the gym.
ohhh mr wishbone once again you talk out your ass....Staten Island cop was suspended WITHOUT pay...after 60 days he was put on modified assignment*(desk duty/no shield/gun) so 60 days wasnt a paid vacation(not saying he was right/but shite happens on NYC streets)
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He wasn't observed selling them, that day? They were hassling him because they saw him selling them previously?
The cop was over the top aggressive. People should put race out of their minds... and ask themselves, was this dude a danger to society, did the cop NEED to break NYPD policy to hold down the dude's head? lol.
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That gutless midget pig freak killed that guy and he received a paid vacation for doing it. If I was black I would kill every single pig I saw. I would teach my children to kill pigs on sight. I would give total strangers cash to kill pigs.
I'm white so I'll just go to the gym.
Weak as fuck. Some guilty white apologist horseshit, tommy. Well done.
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He wasn't observed selling them, that day? They were hassling him because they saw him selling them previously?
The cop was over the top aggressive. People should put race out of their minds... and ask themselves, was this dude a danger to society, did the cop NEED to break NYPD policy to hold down the dude's head? lol.
The first part -
Previous complaints from local stores, plus a general city wide crack down on illegal cigarette sales.
City's been pissed for years about losing the tax money on them, plus there was a whole new fine structure put in for them a few months earlier, so they were really pushing it. Cigarettes are a cash cow for the state and local government for the last 20 years or so, every few years they level a new tax on them and no one cares much. To give you an idea, the average price per pack is around $5-6 in most states just a few hours south, while in NYC, it's $13 - 14, with about 40% of that being taxes to the state and city. So they go hard about that stuff.
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Waaaay worse than furgeson but when you start resisting the pigs, prepare for an ass whipping. And if you weight 6,526lbs you might want to re think that fight. The crime was stupid and the pigs over reacted, but let's be honest that Hebrew was going to have a heart attack before kwanza either way
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I can't breathe ::)
If you can talk you are breathing just fine. Choke hold doesn't cut off oxygen it temporarily cuts off blood to the brain which causes the subject to pass out. If he would have complied with the officers instead of resisting he would likely be alive today. It was more his obese lifestyle that killed him, most healthy people would have survived that just fine.
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I can't breathe ::)
If you can talk you are breathing just fine. Choke hold doesn't cut off oxygen it temporarily cuts off blood to the brain which causes the subject to pass out. If he would have complied with the officers instead of resisting he would likely be alive today. It was more his obese lifestyle that killed him, most healthy people would have survived that just fine.
Truth but look at the Visio, it wasn't a proper "choke" hold. Cops arm was straight across his trachea. Seems that the larger problem was when everyone dog piled on him. With underlying conditions of asthma and morbid obesity, his heart popped like a cherry on prom night.
But he (Hebrew) initiated it so you get what you get
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Truth but look at the Visio, it wasn't a proper "choke" hold. Cops arm was straight across his trachea. Seems that the larger problem was when everyone dog piled on him. With underlying conditions of asthma and morbid obesity, his heart popped like a cherry on prom night.
But he (Hebrew) initiated it so you get what you get
Yes a proper choke hold you have your arms to the bicep is against one side of the neck and your forearm against the other.
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ohhh mr wishbone once again you talk out your ass....Staten Island cop was suspended WITHOUT pay...after 60 days he was put on modified assignment*(desk duty/no shield/gun) so 60 days wasnt a paid vacation(not saying he was right/but shite happens on NYC streets)
;D LOL! Guilty as charged and I stand corrected regarding a "paid vacation". However in most jobs in the real world when you fuck up badly you are fired, terminated, sent packing. This sadistic freak killed somebody. Killed the guy, he's dead. Dead. For killing some dude he received a suspension. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
What does that sick freak have to do to get fired? Burn an entire village and kill 116 people ?
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The behaviour of these cowardly pig thugs, is SANCTIONED by the US government as acceptable behaviour. You wanna find a solution, look to THE TOP man in charge. I kid you not. Notice how Hussein Obama has not spoken out about police violence as a social issue? No that is not a problem that he is concerned about. You don't think if he ordered it to stop that it would not stop? Let me assure you all the cowardly beaurocrats would make sure that it stopped if their pay checks and promotions rested on it.
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they could have shot him with a tranquilizer dart. Eventually he would slow down, get drowsy, and fall asleep.
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Holy Fuck are these people going to pay in civil case. Here's the full 7 min video after he's obviously dead... Cops didn't even try CPR and neither did EMTs. WTF! 4 EMT were placed on leave...This is unbelievable how fukcing negligate they were after the fact...Cop near the end is lying saying he was breathing. Dude wasn't fucking breathing. No way! Coroner stated today that this guy died within two minutes of being choked and pressure on his chest and covering his mouth and nose...
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I used to be like a lot of you guys. It's called being racist. I didn't even know I was doing it until I wised up.
I hope some of you guys realize, hey, I'm better than this as a friend, father, brother, son, citizen, etc. Your mindset is full of hatred and fear. Is that how you want to live your life once it's all said and done?
Realize what you've become.
Just because black people act a certain way with specific cultural differences doesn't mean they deserve to die. The reason they, as a person, are different than us is because they grew up as *the* poorest, lowest class race in our country. They don't have the breaks we do. They are only a few decades away from complete, systemic racism. Most of them are raised by masculine single mothers. They don't have SHIT of a chance to make it.
With those kind of odds, what else do you expect? Poor people try to take from those who have what they don't. It's been that way from the beginning of time, and 2014 is no different.
Black people have an ECONOMIC problem because they have no economy of their own. Race has nothing to do with it.
Conversely, most blacks have no idea white's have no idea they are racist or worse, white supremacists. This could come to a head, and it will not end well for blacks if we're not careful. There may not be any turning back.
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All police brutality and trans fats.
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Holy Fuck are these people going to pay in civil case. Here's the full 7 min video after he's obviously dead... Cops didn't even try CPR and neither did EMTs. WTF! 4 EMT were placed on leave...This is unbelievable how fukcing negligate they were after the fact...Cop near the end is lying saying he was breathing. Dude wasn't fucking breathing. No way! Coroner stated today that this guy died within two minutes of being choked and pressure on his chest and covering his mouth and nose...
Dude, it's like the old days with Lords and Surfs. The Lords will not convict another Lord. Screw the Surfs.
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One less nignog. Like I said before... STOP FUCKING BREAKING THE LAW... and you won't get shot or choked out. Kinda simple isn't it? Good riddance. Cop deserves a medal.
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One less nignog. Like I said before... STOP FUCKING BREAKING THE LAW... and you won't get shot or choked out. Kinda simple isn't it? Good riddance. Cop deserves a medal.
Spoken like a true piece of unintelligent white trash.
So everytime a law is broken, does someone deserve to die? Just curious.
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Spoken like a true piece of unintelligent white trash.
So everytime a law is broken, does someone deserve to die? Just curious.
I don't think that the cops meant to kill this guy.
I think that the one cop that was choking him should've let go of the choke hold as soon as the other cops grounded the poor guy (who should've just complied).
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I don't think that the cops meant to kill this guy.
I think that the one cop that was choking him should've let go of the choke hold as soon as the other cops grounded the poor guy (who should've just complied).
They didn't intend to. I know they didn't.
Thick Nick doing his part to perpetuate the idea that white people love seeing black people killed. That mindset is doing wonders for our country.
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They didn't intend to. I know they didn't.
Thick Nick doing his part to perpetuate the idea that white people love seeing black people killed. That mindset is doing wonders for our country.
Thick Nick wants to lower the black population. It's the only way the Nation's cock length average will decrease and thus increase his self esteem.
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Thick Nick wants to lower the black population. It's the only way the Nation's cock length average will decrease and thus increase his self esteem.
Yes.
Thick Nick DOES seem like the kind of guy to hire black dudes to take turn layin' the pipe to his old lady.
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I'm saying the cop got off because he had right type of last name:
Cop: Daniel Pantaleo
Whites are the racial majority in Staten Island. Of the borough's 491,000 people, over 382,000 are white, which is over three-quarters (75.7%) of the population. Over 323,000 non-Hispanic whites reside in the borough, and they make up 65.8% of the population. The Caucasian population is largely Italian and Irish. Sizable communities of Germans, Russians, Albanians and Poles are present. There are over 175,000 Italian Americans living in Staten Island, and they make up over one-third (35.7%) of the population. Roughly 65,000 Irish Americans live in the borough, and they make up over one-eighth (13.2%) of the population. People of German, Russian, and Polish descent make up 5.7, 3.8, and 3.4% of the population, respectively.Whites are the racial majority in Staten Island. Of the borough's 491,000 people, over 382,000 are white, which is over three-quarters (75.7%) of the population. Over 323,000 non-Hispanic whites reside in the borough, and they make up 65.8% of the population. The Caucasian population is largely Italian and Irish. Sizable communities of Germans, Russians, Albanians and Poles are present. There are over 175,000 Italian Americans living in Staten Island, and they make up over one-third (35.7%) of the population. Roughly 65,000 Irish Americans live in the borough, and they make up over one-eighth (13.2%) of the population. People of German, Russian, and Polish descent make up 5.7, 3.8, and 3.4% of the population, respectively.
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in the city where i grew up the most of the cops where super aggressive and wont hesitate to hit u with their night sticks and pull their guns on u for petty stuff, something about certain areas that make cops become just as mean as the criminals if not meaner.
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Yes.
Thick Nick DOES seem like the kind of guy to hire black dudes to take turn layin' the pipe to his old lady.
Thick Nick's cock is so small, he writes 'SORRY' on the front of his boxer shorts to save him from saying it 5 seconds later.
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I'm not on board with the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown protester morons.
However, this video does not look good to me at all. This is why I don't trust a lot of cops. Not because they are racists, but because they have bad judgement. A lot of them seem in a hurry to tee off on someone. Also, this guy was obviously saying that he couldn't breath and they just ignored him. Yes the guy was huge and yes he was semi-resisting arrest but this would have been crossing the line even if the guy didn't die. I don't think they were trying to murder this guy but in my opinion they were negligent and that caused his death.
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Thick Nick's cock is so small, he writes 'SORRY' on the front of his boxer shorts to save him from saying it 5 seconds later.
Thick Nick's cock is so small, his wifes orgasm is harder to find than crashed aircraft over asia.
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I used to be like a lot of you guys. It's called being racist. I didn't even know I was doing it until I wised up.
I hope some of you guys realize, hey, I'm better than this as a friend, father, brother, son, citizen, etc. Your mindset is full of hatred and fear. Is that how you want to live your life once it's all said and done?
Realize what you've become.
Just because black people act a certain way with specific cultural differences doesn't mean they deserve to die. The reason they, as a person, are different than us is because they grew up as *the* poorest, lowest class race in our country. They don't have the breaks we do. They are only a few decades away from complete, systemic racism. Most of them are raised by masculine single mothers. They don't have SHIT of a chance to make it.
With those kind of odds, what else do you expect? Poor people try to take from those who have what they don't. It's been that way from the beginning of time, and 2014 is no different.
Black people have an ECONOMIC problem because they have no economy of their own. Race has nothing to do with it.
Conversely, most blacks have no idea white's have no idea they are racist or worse, white supremacists. This could come to a head, and it will not end well for blacks if we're not careful. There may not be any turning back.
There is alot of white paternalism in this post...
and that still doesn't excuse the police on this matter
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Jealousy is a bitch. I still have the biggest advantage... I'm white.
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Thick Nick's cock is so small, he writes 'SORRY' on the front of his boxer shorts to save him from saying it 5 seconds later.
;D, never heard that before,lol
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Jealousy is a bitch. I still have the biggest advantage... I'm white.
Haha.
Oh brother.
You need to step out of the bubble youre living in if you still believe that. (coming from a white man)
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Jealousy is a bitch. I still have the biggest advantage... I'm white.
So, am I. But, you're still a colossal idiot.
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We should also remember that this guy was being arrested for not paying the city a few pennies on each smoke. And then killed for those pennies.
The cop choked him until he stopped breathing, but the city's insane tax policies killed him.
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So, am I. But, you're still a colossal idiot.
X2.
When people use the phrase "there are black neegars and also white neegars"...
He is what they are referring to.
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Jealousy is a bitch. I still have the biggest advantage... I'm white.
If you were black, your micropenis would be invisible at dusk.
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One less nignog. Like I said before... STOP FUCKING BREAKING THE LAW... and you won't get shot or choked out. Kinda simple isn't it? Good riddance. Cop deserves a medal.
Are you for real? I'd like to deport you back to Retardia.
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Cops in Africa kill black people every day by the hunbdreds. "Where is the outrage" ::)
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Are you for real? I'd like to deport you back to Retardia.
That was probably the mentality of the jury. Staten Island guidos make the people you see on Jersey Shore look like the faculty of Harvard.
I look at things as a referee. Even though Garner was a useless POS who no one, especially white Libs, would want as a next door neighbor, the chokehold was out of line.
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Reading a little more about the case I think there is grounds for excessive force but I don't think the officer tried to kill him. The man had a preexisting heart issue that the coroner said contributed to his death. In similar circumstances an average healthy person wouldn't have died. What the officers should have done was to keep talking to him instead of rushing to use force. If it had been me I would have told him to make himself scarce and not to show his face again and left it at that. The man had a criminal record and while that isn't relevant to his death, it is relevant to his reaction to the cops. Never struggle with cops even if you're right. The cops always win.
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Reading a little more about the case I think there is grounds for excessive force but I don't think the officer tried to kill him. The man had a preexisting heart issue that the coroner said contributed to his death. In similar circumstances an average healthy person wouldn't have died. What the officers should have done was to keep talking to him instead of rushing to use force. If it had been me I would have told him to make himself scarce and not to show his face again and left it at that. The man had a criminal record and while that isn't relevant to his death, it is relevant to his reaction to the cops. Never struggle with cops even if you're right. The cops always win.
Remember that a grand jury only returns an indictment, it's not a trial. The only thing a GJ determines is whether or not sufficient evidence exists to go to trial. The video ALONE should have satisfied that requirement.
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Remember that a grand jury only returns an indictment, it's not a trial. The only thing a GJ determines is whether or not sufficient evidence exists to go to trial. The video ALONE should have satisfied that requirement.
Yes and that explains why he wasn't indicted. Knowing the specific charges against the officer is important. Any charge other than negligent homicide would be hard to prove. It would be really difficult for the prosecution to prove the officer was trying to intentionally kill him. The officer didn't know the man had health issues. When he choked him he probably didn't intend to kill him or at the very least you can't improve intent. This is the kind of difficult situations grand jurys have to deal with.
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Reading a little more about the case I think there is grounds for excessive force but I don't think the officer tried to kill him. The man had a preexisting heart issue that the coroner said contributed to his death. In similar circumstances an average healthy person wouldn't have died. What the officers should have done was to keep talking to him instead of rushing to use force. If it had been me I would have told him to make himself scarce and not to show his face again and left it at that. The man had a criminal record and while that isn't relevant to his death, it is relevant to his reaction to the cops. Never struggle with cops even if you're right. The cops always win.
Good post. I think a good cop could have talked him down at least tried another minute or so before using force.
I think takedowns like these happen 100 times a day in the us but you don't hear about them because most people are healthy enough to easily survive. His heart condition was really his downfall.
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Good post. I think a good cop could have talked him down at least tried another minute or so before using force.
I think takedowns like these happen 100 times a day in the us but you don't hear about them because most people are healthy enough to easily survive. His heart condition was really his downfall.
Exactly! It's tricky stuff for a grand jury to wade through.
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Hopefully something positive can come out of this situation ( and Fergusen).
People will open their eyes to the murderous actions of the largest gang in the U.S....police.
"Civilians" will rarely get a fair shake against pigs using the conventional system.
Looting and burning businesses is not the way to go either. Those who feel wronged need to find those individuals responsible and direct their actions towards them and them alone.
The coward pigs responsible will not have 24/7 protection forever. Neither will their families. A pig might think twice before wronging or killing another person if they are held accountable in ways their system does not control.
Happy holidays everyone :)
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A black life only has value when it is taken by a white person.
THe only time that black life is worthy of marches and protest is when a white person is the culprit.
NO outcry from the hundreds of blacks killed this year in Chi-town alone this year.
You REMAIN silent on the issue of Blacks killing blacks
Just proves that humans are tribal animals. Black killing black is just seen by other blacks as a family affair - a member of a tribe killing a member of the same tribe.
When murders takes place between members of separate races (tribes), then there are issues.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/03/nypd-chokehold-cop-not-indicted-in-death
Fuckin' guy was selling single cigs in NYC which is illegal because of tax revenue collection. The cop kills him with a chokehold and there's FUCKING VIDEO OF IT. A chokehold is prohibited by the NYPD and the cop gets off. No indictment.
The reason that progs WON'T flock to this? Because it might shine a light on the stupid fucking taxation policies of one of their liberal havens.
The cop didn't make this goofy cigg tax law. BUT as officer of the law he is charged with enforcing it.
If a man refuses to comply, what do you do?
The dude was big as a house and refused to be arrested, so wtf.
At some point, the cop is obligated to enforce the law and take the man into custody.
If the man keeps resisting , what should he do?
The cop was just trying to do his job and had no plans or idea that he would kill the guy by doing this.
The big dude who died, should have gotten peacefully arrested and then fought the dumb law in court.
That's how most of the civil rights battles were waged and won by blacks 40-50 yrs ago.
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Hopefully something positive can come out of this situation ( and Fergusen).
People will open their eyes to the murderous actions of the largest gang in the U.S....police.
"Civilians" will rarely get a fair shake against pigs using the conventional system.
Looting and burning businesses is not the way to go either. Those who feel wronged need to find those individuals responsible and direct their actions towards them and them alone.
The coward pigs responsible will not have 24/7 protection forever. Neither will their families. A pig might think twice before wronging or killing another person if they are held accountable in ways their system does not control.
Happy holidays everyone :)
What Branch of the government do Law Enforcement officers fall under?
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Just proves that humans are tribal animals. Black killing black is just seen by other blacks as a family affair - a member of a tribe killing a member of the same tribe.
When murders takes place between members of separate races (tribes), then there are issues.
The thing is, by and large the black community demands everyone to be focused on and care about their issues while having minimal knowledge or concern about issues in other communities. Particularly the issues related to their communities effect on non-black communities. It's always me me me.
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The thing is, by and large the black community demands everyone to be focused on and care about their issues while having minimal knowledge or concern about issues in other communities. Particularly the issues related to their communities effect on non-black communities. It's always me me me.
Actually thats not true, thats just your perception.....The problem is that guys like you see these incidents as a "black problem"...its a civil rights issue.....blacks, because of our experience are very sensitive to civil rights issues...."civil rights" applies to white people, Hispanics, Asians, and others who could be mistreated by police or any other governmental institution...so when blacks fight for civil rights and justice its not just for blacks but for all people....unfortunately white guys like yourself try to distance yourself from this issue even thought "civil rights" applies to you as well.....
I'm not a big fan of Al Sharpton, because I think he's an opportunist, and people always say that he only represents black people when they get in trouble with police but he actually represents ANYONE who calls him....for instance there was a case here in NY where a policemen arrrested a white guy for not paying to get on the subway and the officer shoved his baton into the guys ass while the cop had him on the floor thus doing damage to the guy's rectum....Al Sharpton represented him as well because the guy called him
Also...the vast majority of police shootings of black people go unchallenged by blacks and others because the officer appeared to be justified....it's probably less than 1% of shootings where blacks will protest and claim racism
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What Branch of the government do Law Enforcement officers fall under?
Try Google....
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The thing is, by and large the black community demands everyone to be focused on and care about their issues while having minimal knowledge or concern about issues in other communities. Particularly the issues related to their communities effect on non-black communities. It's always me me me.
That's just basic human nature and not unique to black folks.
Plus, nobody wants to look at their own issues openly within their own group.
Sadly, black on black violent crime is much more prevalent in urban areas then any white cops killing black males .
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Actually thats not true, thats just your perception.....The problem is that guys like you see these incidents as a "black problem"...its a civil rights issue.....blacks, because of our experience are very sensitive to civil rights issues...."civil rights" applies to white people, Hispanics, Asians, and others who could be mistreated by police or any other governmental institution...so when blacks fight for civil rights and justice its not just for blacks but for all people....unfortunately white guys like yourself try to distance yourself from this issue even thought "civil rights" applies to you as well.....
I'm not a big fan of Al Sharpton, because I think he's an opportunist, and people always say that he only represents black people when they get in trouble with police but he actually represents ANYONE who calls him....for instance there was a case here in NY where a policemen arrrested a white guy for not paying to get on the subway and the officer shoved his baton into the guys ass while the cop had him on the floor thus doing damage to the guy's rectum....Al Sharpton represented him as well because the guy called him
Also...the vast majority of police shootings of black people go unchallenged by blacks and others because the officer appeared to be justified....it's probably less than 1% of shootings where blacks will protest and claim racism
Then its clearly not really a problem and thats the way white people see it and anybody with a logical brain. 1 Percent is insignificant and within the margin of error (not that Brown was in that margin of course).
Find something significant to protest about. I can think of many things.
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Actually thats not true, thats just your perception.....The problem is that guys like you see these incidents as a "black problem"...its a civil rights issue.....blacks, because of our experience are very sensitive to civil rights issues...."civil rights" applies to white people, Hispanics, Asians, and others who could be mistreated by police or any other governmental institution...so when blacks fight for civil rights and justice its not just for blacks but for all people....unfortunately white guys like yourself try to distance yourself from this issue even thought "civil rights" applies to you as well.....
I'm not a big fan of Al Sharpton, because I think he's an opportunist, and people always say that he only represents black people when they get in trouble with police but he actually represents ANYONE who calls him....for instance there was a case here in NY where a policemen arrrested a white guy for not paying to get on the subway and the officer shoved his baton into the guys ass while the cop had him on the floor thus doing damage to the guy's rectum....Al Sharpton represented him as well because the guy called him
Also...the vast majority of police shootings of black people go unchallenged by blacks and others because the officer appeared to be justified....it's probably less than 1% of shootings where blacks will protest and claim racism
It is a black problem. The civil rights movement doesn't apply to me at all. It's a black movement not a general civil rights movement. Civil Rights leaders aren't advocating for civil rights and justice for everyone. They are advocating for blacks. It's that simple. Do you know how many black men where killed by cops last year? Do you know the number of whites?
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Then its clearly not really a problem and thats the way white people see it and anybody with a logical brain. 1 Percent is insignificant and within the margin of error (not that Brown was in that margin of course).
Find something significant to protest about. I can think of many things.
so you're saying that everyone should keep their mouth shut just because injustice occurs but doesn't happen that often??? give me a break
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It is a black problem. The civil rights movement doesn't apply to me at all. It's a black movement not a general civil rights movement. Do you know how many black men where killed by cops last year? Do you know the number of whites?
I think its more of a "I think I should be allowed to break the law and get away with it and the police are not allowed to arrest me because I look a certain way" problem.
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so you're saying that everyone should keep their mouth shut just because injustice occurs but doesn't happen that often??? give me a break
I am saying, much ado about nothing.
I have yet to see a major injustice in any of these recent cases. I do see an injustice in my fellow citizens thinking that the law does not apply to them and they think they should be allowed to make and live by their own rules.
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so you're saying that everyone should keep their mouth shut just because injustice occurs but doesn't happen that often??? give me a break
How do you know it's injustice?
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so you're saying that everyone should keep their mouth shut just because injustice occurs but doesn't happen that often??? give me a break
Besides, what do you want? Cops HAVE to have the ability to use force at times. The laws apply to all people.
What exactly do you want?
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Besides, what do you want? Cops HAVE to have the ability to use force at times. The laws apply to all people.
What exactly do you want?
He wants his right to self-righteous anger.
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Should have listen to the cops..mabye his fat ass wouldn't be dead..
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Will they ever learn, Don't Resist! Don't give the cops a reason to use deadly force.
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Besides, what do you want? Cops HAVE to have the ability to use force at times. The laws apply to all people.
What exactly do you want?
well it would be nice if when cops are caught going against procedure and using an illegal tactic that has been banned, which then causes the death of a suspect who was engaged in a non-violent crime, and such incident is caught on VIDEO TAPE, that the expectation would be that the cop is indicted and fired...I think thats reasonable
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well it would be nice if when cops are caught going against procedure and using an illegal tactic that has been banned, which then causes the death of a suspect who was engaged in a non-violent crime, and such incident is caught on VIDEO TAPE, that the expectation would be that the cop is indicted and fired...I think thats reasonable
Same thing happened in the Kelly Thomas case.
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Will they ever learn, Don't Resist! Don't give the cops a reason to use deadly force.
I have a feeling that he knew that somebody was video taping the event. So he figured that he'd be safe as he voiced his frustrations.
I bet if he was alone, he would have complied 100%
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The cop didn't make this goofy cigg tax law. BUT as officer of the law he is charged with enforcing it.
If a man refuses to comply, what do you do?
if the man refuses, you do what you are trained to do - take him down with a legal move. Keep him on the ground with a legal move. That fat man wasn't standing back up with 5 cops on his back. The choke hold was banned and wasn't necessary.
he wasn't getting away. his fat ass was slow and weak and was already flat on ground. They were zip tying him. The choke hold was a PUNISHMENT, not a tactic for control. He was choked not to save lives or stop an out-of-control situation. The cop was pissed at this fat a-hole selling smokes and trying to walk away from a cop's order, and wanted him to feel some pain.
THAT Is the problem. When cops decide they want to get a little extra in - and in some cases, the person getting an extra choke, kick, shove, just happens to have health problems. Death from chokehold WAS a foreseeable outcome - WHICH IS WHY IT WAS BANNED.
I dont get it... Excusing a deadly move because "Oh, he should have listened..." Fuck that. Cop used a deadly move on a man already getting zip tied on the concrete who posed no threat to anyone. You give cops that kinda power, don't be surprised when cops are choking YOU because you took too long to pull over becuase you didn't see them behind you. Dont give them that permission to use deadly moves when not needed, as punishment.
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What Branch of the government do Law Enforcement officers fall under?
Most, if not all, Federal LEO fall under the Executive branch. State and local level LEOs fall under state and local jurisdiction and it varies from state to state.
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Will they ever learn, Don't Resist! Don't give the cops a reason to use deadly force.
This will pretty much double your life chances lol.
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LOL@ calling that a deadly move.
He wasn`t being "choked" out. Basically his own fat neck rolls made it hard for him to breathe and his heart overcompensated.
The "chokehold" was not the cause of death, nor was there any intent to kill this man.
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The problem isn't just resisting. Let's say we give permission for cops to use deadly moves, in face of non-deadly action like "resisting".
So the cops pull you over for running a red light that you skimmed through, or for going 61 in a 55mph. You're dealing with screaming kids in your car, you're looking for the exit, and to be honest, you just don't see the cop behind you with lights on. Finally, he has to hit the siren, after 30 seconds of lights only. He's pissed. So you know they yell if you break law while pulling over, so you turn on signal and take another30 seconds to find a turn off.
Cop pulls you out of car and delivers chokehold. You didnt obey his command. He doesn't know of your health condition, and you die on ground. Because this cop determined your continued driving was fleeing, eluding. Hey, bummer we gave cops ability to use deadly force.
Apply this elsewhere. You have 20 cops arrive at a nightclub to break up a parking lot fight. You have 3 cops giving you conflicting orders. You obey cop #2 and cop #1 decides BOOM, he disobeyed me, he's resisting, time to choke him til his air is gone.
There are lots of time with noise, conflicting orders, traffic, and when the person might be just a little drunk or sick or whatever, where they dont listen fast enough to the cop, but sure don't present a deadly force. You give cops ability to use deadly force in there, and it might happen to YOU one day. you're on the porch with 3 glasses of wine in you on a friday night. Cop driving by decides you look like a suspect for a crime. If you finish your text message or go to take a piss when he gives a vague order, BOOM, chokehold,bitch.
You CANNOT give them the power to use death move in non-deadly situation. Or they will use that shit all the time. Theyll use it to break up high school football bleacher fights. They'll use it when they want - and one day, it WILL affect someone you love. Dont give them that power.
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My knee jerk response is to say the cop broke NYPD policy. Guilty. However, I now hear the fat fuck was alive when he went to the hospital and just maybe the autopsy (which was not out when many officials agreed it was a choke hold) will show no air passage breathing injury and he died from heart failure in the hospital due to obesity and asthma. IF that's the case....cops can not give a physical to everyone they take down who fights arrest. Had he offered his wrists he would be alive today with a triple cheese Big Mac and super size fries on his plate. I will now wait for release of the autopsy.
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if the man refuses, you do what you are trained to do - take him down with a legal move. Keep him on the ground with a legal move. That fat man wasn't standing back up with 5 cops on his back. The choke hold was banned and wasn't necessary.
he wasn't getting away. his fat ass was slow and weak and was already flat on ground. They were zip tying him. The choke hold was a PUNISHMENT, not a tactic for control. He was choked not to save lives or stop an out-of-control situation. The cop was pissed at this fat a-hole selling smokes and trying to walk away from a cop's order, and wanted him to feel some pain.
THAT Is the problem. When cops decide they want to get a little extra in - and in some cases, the person getting an extra choke, kick, shove, just happens to have health problems. Death from chokehold WAS a foreseeable outcome - WHICH IS WHY IT WAS BANNED.
I dont get it... Excusing a deadly move because "Oh, he should have listened..." Fuck that. Cop used a deadly move on a man already getting zip tied on the concrete who posed no threat to anyone. You give cops that kinda power, don't be surprised when cops are choking YOU because you took too long to pull over becuase you didn't see them behind you. Dont give them that permission to use deadly moves when not needed, as punishment.
It would have been probably legal to taze him. That would have certainly killed him. It would have been legal to pepper spray him. That would have certainly killed him. No way his heart would have taken that either.
The only way he would have lived that day is if he went a long quietly. Who knows even then, maybe his heart would have stopped in the back of the car. People like him have a high chance of dying and die everyday because they are fatsos.
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Where is the outrage. :D
(http://r3.officer.com/files/base/OFCR/image/2014/09/16x9/640x360/njlodd.54196ccce576f.jpg)
http://www.officer.com/news/12004432/nj-police-officer-dies-after-heart-attack
N.J. Police Officer Dies After Heart Attack
Officer.com News On Sep 17, 2014
The Newark, N.J. Police Department is mourning the death of a veteran officer who suffered a fatal heart attack while on duty Tuesday.
Officer Reinaldo Arocha Jr. went into cardiac arrest around 7:15 a.m. while working his usual post in the Fourth Precinct, according to The Star-Ledger.
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It would have been probably legal to taze him. That would have certainly killed him. It would have been legal to pepper spray him. That would have certainly killed him. No way his heart would have taken that either.
The only way he would have lived that day is if he went a long quietly. Who knows even then, maybe his heart would have stopped in the back of the car. People like him have a high chance of dying and die everyday because they are fatsos.
oh i agree the man was 600 pounds of shit in a 400 pound condom. I dont give a single care that he died from his shit health. I wouldn't have cared if the dude died from a taser - it would have been a legal move.
My care is that the cop used a choke hold, a banned move. Whether it killed him, or something else, it was used. On video. It's banned. Not up for debate. Cop used it when 4 other cops were already on top of the fatass, so it wasn't exactly a reaction used to save a life. It was more of a "fck this guy, he pissed me off, I'm gonna choke him a bit".
Cop is trained well and paid well, NOT to use a choke hold. The minute we say it's okay, then we should expect 20,000 cops to deliver 200,000 choke holds tomorrow. It's against rules, cop broke rules, he shoudlnt be a cop anymore.
I just care about cops that break rules. Fire them.
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The problem isn't just resisting. Let's say we give permission for cops to use deadly moves, in face of non-deadly action like "resisting".
So the cops pull you over for running a red light that you skimmed through, or for going 61 in a 55mph. You're dealing with screaming kids in your car, you're looking for the exit, and to be honest, you just don't see the cop behind you with lights on. Finally, he has to hit the siren, after 30 seconds of lights only. He's pissed. So you know they yell if you break law while pulling over, so you turn on signal and take another30 seconds to find a turn off.
Cop pulls you out of car and delivers chokehold. You didnt obey his command. He doesn't know of your health condition, and you die on ground. Because this cop determined your continued driving was fleeing, eluding. Hey, bummer we gave cops ability to use deadly force.
Apply this elsewhere. You have 20 cops arrive at a nightclub to break up a parking lot fight. You have 3 cops giving you conflicting orders. You obey cop #2 and cop #1 decides BOOM, he disobeyed me, he's resisting, time to choke him til his air is gone.
There are lots of time with noise, conflicting orders, traffic, and when the person might be just a little drunk or sick or whatever, where they dont listen fast enough to the cop, but sure don't present a deadly force. You give cops ability to use deadly force in there, and it might happen to YOU one day. you're on the porch with 3 glasses of wine in you on a friday night. Cop driving by decides you look like a suspect for a crime. If you finish your text message or go to take a piss when he gives a vague order, BOOM, chokehold,bitch.
You CANNOT give them the power to use death move in non-deadly situation. Or they will use that shit all the time. Theyll use it to break up high school football bleacher fights. They'll use it when they want - and one day, it WILL affect someone you love. Dont give them that power.
resisting can lead to deadly consequences. It is very much a deadly action
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Sue the criminals!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/28/heart-attack-law-enforcement-officers-deaths/2586077/
Heart attacks a rising deadly weapon among cops
Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY 12:17 a.m. EDT July 29, 2013
Fatal heart attacks among law enforcement officers have been mounting, many striking victims younger than 50 years old, prompting plans for wellness initiatives.
Police officer on a bicycle
Concern is growing over the number of heart attacks striking officers under 50
Medical researchers say police officers have a higher incidence of common risk factors
By 2016, authorities hope to assess more fully the disease's prevalence in the public safety workforce
Fatal heart attacks among law enforcement officers have been quietly mounting through the first half of this year, and most strike victims younger than 50, according to fatality data compiled by two police groups.
So far this year, nine of the 58 officer deaths have been attributed to heart attacks, drawing new attention away from the most volatile and traditional causes — guns and vehicle accidents.
Overall, officer deaths are down slightly — 2% — this year; firearm deaths are down 14%, and fatal traffic incidents are down 21%, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund and Officer Down, the groups that most closely track police fatalities.
The nine aheart attack victims so far this year, however, represent three more than in all of last year combined, according to the NLEOMF.
From year to year, the causes of line-of-duty deaths can swing indiscriminately, but authorities are expressing serious concern about the string of heart attack deaths so far this year.
"The number does look dramatic,'' said Bart Johnson, executive director of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. "This has been on our radar screen for a while now.''
Johnson said the IACP, the largest association of police chiefs, has been meeting in recent months with representatives of health care company Johnson & Johnson. The meetings, he said, are aimed at developing a more strategic approach to officer wellness as part of the association's Center for Officer Safety and Wellness, which was created last year.
"We're looking at the full spectrum of a police officer's life cycle,'' he said.
The effort comes as medical and occupational health journals have been publishing research on the heightened risk factors associated with law enforcement jobs. Last year, an article in the medical journal Cardiology in Review concluded that the common risk factors — hypertension, obesity, smoking, sedentary lifestyles and sudden physical stress — for officers "often (exceed) that found in the civilian population.''
In March, the National Occupational Research Agenda, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, listed cardiovascular disease and its relationship to officer disability and death among its top priorities.
By 2016, according to NORA, federal health authorities hope to assess more fully the disease's prevalence in the public safety workforce.
"Americans aren't as fit as they should be, and we, as a profession, are no exception,'' said Arlington County, Va., police Capt. Adrienne Quigley, who has researched the issue. "It's a problem… but it's not the cool thing to talk about.''
Although many law enforcement agencies require officers to meet certain fitness standards prior to employment, Johnson and Quigley said few departments require officers to maintain those standards as conditions of their continuing employment.
"There really is no follow-up,'' Johnson said.
Perhaps the most striking aspect of the recent deaths, authorities said, is that at least five of the nine victims were younger than 50 at the time they died.
The youngest, 26-year-old federal corrections officer Brandon Kountz, died while responding to an alarm inside a Beaumont, Texas, prison.
At least eight of the nine victims were engaged in some physical activity, either training or a police operation, when they were stricken.
Two, including St. Paul, Minn., police Officer Josh Lynbaugh, 30, were pursuing suspects on foot.
The victims' physical conditions prior to death were not included in the fatality data, but at least one — Anthony Barfield — had complained of feeling ill just before his April 9 collapse as he responded to a domestic disturbance call in Barwick, Ga.
Barfield's death at age 47 was especially tragic for the tiny southwest Georgia town where he served as the police chief and the community's only full-time officer.
Barwick City Councilman Dale Hicks described the chief as a "beloved'' figure in the community where "everybody not only knows everybody else's name but we even know the name of your cat.''
"He was probably a little overweight, but he appeared to be in reasonably good shape,'' Hicks said.
He complained of feeling ill when the disturbance call came in, but "it's something you wouldn't generally associate with a heart condition.''
"He was urged to go home,'' Hicks said. "But he said, 'No, I'll stick it out.' "
The councilman said Barfield asked local sheriff's deputies, who responded to the call as back-up officers, to transport the suspect for booking.
He collapsed at the scene soon after.
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resisting can lead to deadly consequences. It is very much a deadly action
Correct. And I'm fine with cops using legal/authorized moves to stop people from resisting. Tase this fat fck til the cows come home.
I don't understand why you woudl allow cops to use BANNED moves on people. Would you be cool with a cop just clubbing you with a baton in the head 40 times for resisting? No, of course not. So you're condoning BANNED moves somewhere in the middle, right?
Dude, it's a banned move. Cop broke the NYPD policy. It's that simple. Fire his ass. Im not saying jail time, Im' saying his bitch ass shoudlnt be in a cop car tomorrow with that same power. Unreal that so much police actions which are dangerous and BANNED are okay with people. WTF
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Police killings of blacks are down 70% in last 50 years
In 2013, blacks committed 5,375 murders
In 2013, whites committed 4,396 murders
Whites are 63% of the population, blacks are 13%
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I think the term "chokehold" is being thrown around too loosely. Nobody was choked. He was still talking on the ground and nothing was around his neck.
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Just say what it is... if you're cool with what this cop did, then you are cool with the NYPD using BANNED actions agaisnt people.
NEVER, ever bitch when your local police dept uses a banned technique on YOU. Whether its a choke, a baton to the skull, or maybe they just pistol whip you on a whim. You gave them permission to use this particular banned move, you show them it's cool to ignore training and policy. So STFU when they use ANOTHER banned technique on you. When the butt of a glock takes out your front teeth because you smirked, hey, STFU, you were okay back in december when cops were using other banned moves.
Once you give them freedom to use ONE banned move, they'll use 2, 3, 4. DONT give them that freedom to break rules.
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Police killings of blacks are down 70% in last 50 years
In 2013, blacks committed 5,375 murders
In 2013, whites committed 4,396 murders
Whites are 63% of the population, blacks are 13%
Less than that. Black females make up over half that 13 percent and don`t really commit murder. You also have old blacks that don`t commit murder and baby blacks that don`t commit murder. So what you are looking at is a ton of murder committed by 1-3 percent.
How about them apples? :-\
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Just say what it is... if you're cool with what this cop did, then you are cool with the NYPD using BANNED actions agaisnt people.
NEVER, ever bitch when your local police dept uses a banned technique on YOU. Whether its a choke, a baton to the skull, or maybe they just pistol whip you on a whim. You gave them permission to use this particular banned move, you show them it's cool to ignore training and policy. So STFU when they use ANOTHER banned technique on you. When the butt of a glock takes out your front teeth because you smirked, hey, STFU, you were okay back in december when cops were using other banned moves.
Once you give them freedom to use ONE banned move, they'll use 2, 3, 4. DONT give them that freedom to break rules.
I would not ban that technique at all. From the video it would be harmless. Kids at playgrounds are more aggressive than that.
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Interesting commentary from Andrew McCarthy, a conservative columnist on National Review and a former federal prosecutor:
"I don’t think race had anything to do with what happened between Eric Garner and the police. I intend to keep an open mind until we learn all the evidence the grand jury relied on. And I continue to believe the NYPD is the best police force there is. But I also know, as good cops know, that there is a difference between resisting arrest by not cooperating, as Garner was doing in Staten Island, and resisting arrest by violent assaults and threats of harm, as Michael Brown did in Ferguson. Police deserve a very wide berth in responding to the latter, but less of one with the former. I thus cannot in good conscience say there was insufficient probable cause to indict Officer Pantaleo for involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide."
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Just say what it is... if you're cool with what this cop did, then you are cool with the NYPD using BANNED actions agaisnt people.
NEVER, ever bitch when your local police dept uses a banned technique on YOU. Whether its a choke, a baton to the skull, or maybe they just pistol whip you on a whim. You gave them permission to use this particular banned move, you show them it's cool to ignore training and policy. So STFU when they use ANOTHER banned technique on you. When the butt of a glock takes out your front teeth because you smirked, hey, STFU, you were okay back in december when cops were using other banned moves.
Once you give them freedom to use ONE banned move, they'll use 2, 3, 4. DONT give them that freedom to break rules.
Does this mean cops can use Nuclear weapons if they are allowed a "chokehold"?
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Interesting commentary from Andrew McCarthy, a conservative columnist on National Review and a former federal prosecutor:
"I don’t think race had anything to do with what happened between Eric Garner and the police. I intend to keep an open mind until we learn all the evidence the grand jury relied on. And I continue to believe the NYPD is the best police force there is. But I also know, as good cops know, that there is a difference between resisting arrest by not cooperating, as Garner was doing in Staten Island, and resisting arrest by violent assaults and threats of harm, as Michael Brown did in Ferguson. Police deserve a very wide berth in responding to the latter, but less of one with the former. I thus cannot in good conscience say there was insufficient probable cause to indict Officer Pantaleo for involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide."
This is reasonable.
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If GB is a microcosm of reality, then it's pretty clear from reading this thread that white people hate-and care less-about unjustified killings of blacks by white cops.
If you have hate in your heart, that's fine. So, pick the hill you guys want to die on, and live with your decision.
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If GB is a microcosm of reality, then it's pretty clear from reading this thread that white people hate-and care less-about unjustified killings of blacks by white cops.
If you have hate in your heart, that's fine. So, pick the hill you guys want to die on, and live with your decision.
Not everything is about race you know. Stop being a moron.
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Not everything is about race you know. Stop being a moron.
We are all horrible people for having a different opinion than hers. :'(
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I would not ban that technique at all. From the video it would be harmless. Kids at playgrounds are more aggressive than that.
But it IS banned. It IS against NYPD policy. Just or unjust, it is the current policy, and the cop using that move knew it and was trained well not to use it.
Cop is either ignorant of policy (incompetent), or he doesnt give single fcks (insubordination). Either way, he's a shitty cop and should be pushing paper, not bad guys.
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But it IS banned. It IS against NYPD policy. Just or unjust, it is the current policy, and the cop using that move knew it and was trained well not to use it.
Cop is either ignorant of policy (incompetent), or he doesnt give single fcks (insubordination). Either way, he's a shitty cop and should be pushing paper, not bad guys.
A chokehold is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
Garner did not die of asphyxiation. He was also talking during the incident. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.
I'm throwing this out there for people to chew on.
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A chokehold is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
Garner did not die of asphyxiation. He was talking during the incident. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.
Doesn't matter if the move killed him, or if his death was due to being a gross fatass. I already said don't charge the cop with murder or whatever.
I just said the cop should be kicked off the force. Because he used a banned move. This is undeniable.
Don't fire the dude for killing anyone. Fire him for using a damn chokehold. He opened up the NYPD for lawsuit, he broke NYPD rules, and that's something important.
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Doesn't matter if the move killed him, or if his death was due to being a gross fatass. I already said don't charge the cop with murder or whatever.
I just said the cop should be kicked off the force. Because he used a banned move. This is undeniable.
Don't fire the dude for killing anyone. Fire him for using a damn chokehold. He opened up the NYPD for lawsuit, he broke NYPD rules, and that's something important.
I was just putting that information out there.
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Should have listen to the cops..mabye his fat ass wouldn't be dead..
This x 100.
In a perfect world with perfect cops, the prefect amount of force would always be used to subdue a perp.
Cops are human and nobody should go out of there way to ignore or disrespect the officer's request.
In this case the video makes it clear, that the large man fails to comply with the cops demands.
If the cop turns out to be wrong, you take it up with his superior and file a formal complaint or sue.
The sad reality is, street people don't file suits or make formal complaints to officials.
Their norm is to settle things right there and then via verbal or physical confrontation.
The problem with THAT, is, it isn't how our legal system was meant to work.
FYI, big time organized crime, like the infamous mafia or corrupt officials knew how to work the system.
It's known as bribes and kick backs so the cops look the other way or ignore you.
Yes, the unauthorized selling of ciggs law is pretty dumb, but wtf.
What incentive does the cop have for ignoring him and letting him break this goofy law? NOTHING but grief and risk losing his job.
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if the man refuses, you do what you are trained to do - take him down with a legal move. Keep him on the ground with a legal move. That fat man wasn't standing back up with 5 cops on his back. The choke hold was banned and wasn't necessary.
he wasn't getting away. his fat ass was slow and weak and was already flat on ground. They were zip tying him. The choke hold was a PUNISHMENT, not a tactic for control. He was choked not to save lives or stop an out-of-control situation. The cop was pissed at this fat a-hole selling smokes and trying to walk away from a cop's order, and wanted him to feel some pain.
THAT Is the problem. When cops decide they want to get a little extra in - and in some cases, the person getting an extra choke, kick, shove, just happens to have health problems. Death from chokehold WAS a foreseeable outcome - WHICH IS WHY IT WAS BANNED.
I dont get it... Excusing a deadly move because "Oh, he should have listened..." Fuck that. Cop used a deadly move on a man already getting zip tied on the concrete who posed no threat to anyone. You give cops that kinda power, don't be surprised when cops are choking YOU because you took too long to pull over becuase you didn't see them behind you. Dont give them that permission to use deadly moves when not needed, as punishment.
It's not about him getting away you dumb liberal turd. It's about him taking advantage of a hesitation and doing damage. Cop did nothing wrong... Don't fucking break the law, and if you do, don't resist arrest. It's not that hard.
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It's not about him getting away you dumb liberal turd. It's about him taking advantage of a hesitation and doing damage. Cop did nothing wrong... Don't fucking break the law, and if you do, don't resist arrest. It's not that hard.
Yes, the cop DID something wrong. He used an illegal move.
I think we have a disconnect here on simple facts of the case. The cop used a move that was banned. This isn't something to be debated. He did it. We have clear video of it.
I don't think cop belongs in jail. I don't think the fat guy's family deserves a cent. I do know the cop committed an action that was against NYPD policy. There's video.
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It's not about him getting away you dumb liberal turd. It's about him taking advantage of a hesitation and doing damage. Cop did nothing wrong... Don't fucking break the law, and if you do, don't resist arrest. It's not that hard.
there are plenty of LEGAL actions for the cop to take, when a person resists, from takedowns to taser to shooting them.
But chokehold is NOT one of these actions. Period. The cop broke NYPD policy, and whether or not it contibuted to this death doesnt matter. He broke the rules.
It's not "dumb liberal turd" to wish for cops to follow the cop rules, is it?
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Was it a choke hold or a submission hold? Was it his blood being cut off that triggered his heart issue? Does it matter? What is Garners part in this? Did Garner have a right to resist and object to the police presence? What he was doing was illegal and he kept doing it after several run-ins with the cops.
The encounter between Mr. Garner and plainclothes officers, from the 120th Precinct, began after the officers accused Mr. Garner of illegally selling cigarettes, an accusation he was familiar with. He had been arrested more than 30 times, often accused of selling loose cigarettes bought outside the state, a common hustle designed to avoid state and city tobacco taxes. In March and again in May, he was arrested on charges of illegally selling cigarettes on the sidewalk.
Community members gathered to pray in the Tompkinsville neighborhood where Mr. Garner died. Credit Robert Stolarik for The New York Times
For years, Mr. Garner chafed at the scrutiny by the police, which he considered harassment. In 2007, he filed a handwritten complaint in federal court accusing a police officer of conducting a cavity search of him on the street, “digging his fingers in my rectum in the middle of the street” while people passed by.
More recently, Mr. Garner told lawyers at Legal Aid that he intended to take all the cases against him to trial. “He was adamant he wouldn’t plead guilty to anything,” said Christopher Pisciotta, the lawyer in charge of the Staten Island office of Legal Aid.
Despite all the scrutiny from the police, most days Mr. Garner, a father of six, would stand on Bay Street, in the Tompkinsville neighborhood, his ankles visibly swollen, hawking loose Lucky cigarettes for 50 cents each.
On Thursday, when officers confronted him nearby and accused him of selling tobacco to a man in a red shirt, Mr. Garner reacted with exasperation, suggesting he was not going to cooperate. “I’m tired of it,” he said. “This stops today.”
“I didn’t do nothing,” Mr. Garner tells an officer. “Every time you see me, you want to harass me, you want to stop me.”
At one point he has his hands on his hips; at other points he is gesturing energetically. “Please just leave me alone,” he says. In the video, Mr. Garner can be seen crawling forward on the ground as an officer hangs on with his arm around Mr. Garner’s neck. Other officers surround Mr. Garner.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/nyregion/staten-island-man-dies-after-he-is-put-in-chokehold-during-arrest.html?_r=0
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Where is the outrage. :D
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http://www.officer.com/news/12004432/nj-police-officer-dies-after-heart-attack
N.J. Police Officer Dies After Heart Attack
Officer.com News On Sep 17, 2014
The Newark, N.J. Police Department is mourning the death of a veteran officer who suffered a fatal heart attack while on duty Tuesday.
Officer Reinaldo Arocha Jr. went into cardiac arrest around 7:15 a.m. while working his usual post in the Fourth Precinct, according to The Star-Ledger.
The local donut shops and pizza parlors are outraged due to the knockoff in business since this guy dropped.
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Yes, the cop DID something wrong. He used an illegal move.
I think we have a disconnect here on simple facts of the case. The cop used a move that was banned. This isn't something to be debated. He did it. We have clear video of it.
I don't think cop belongs in jail. I don't think the fat guy's family deserves a cent. I do know the cop committed an action that was against NYPD policy. There's video.
So enlighten us on what you prefer? Them to try and talk and grab him until he breaks one of thier faces first? Then is it ok to fight back? I never said it wasn't banned. I said it was right. FUCK THIS GUY HE RESISTED. Take him down hard before he do s damage first... Which is where this goes if you don't take him down.
Why don't you just say what you really want to say... You would rather see this guy break some cops face because he hesitated rather then take these animals out before they can do real damage.
Serious question... If the Mike Brown had charged the cop and he DIDNT shoot... What did you think he was gonna do? Kiss him? How about when he went for the gun? Trying to tickle him?
That's all this is about... You liberal idiots would be fine if this broke some cops face because they were trying to talk him down... Not a fucking word would be said. If say otherwise you are a liar.
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Garner’s friends, he “had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said.”
Sounds to me like the guy was a bomb about to explode.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/nyregion/staten-island-man-dies-after-he-is-put-in-chokehold-during-arrest.html?_r=0
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well it would be nice if when cops are caught going against procedure and using an illegal tactic that has been banned, which then causes the death of a suspect who was engaged in a non-violent crime, and such incident is caught on VIDEO TAPE, that the expectation would be that the cop is indicted and fired...I think thats reasonable
I didn't watch the video dozens of times. I didn't hear from expert witnesses nor did I hear from witnesses on the scene. I don't know the exact criteria for indicting for murder or manslaughter in this case. But the Grand Jury, made up of people of the community did hear and see all of it and were instructed as to the guidelines.
My opinion is that whatever the initial law violation was, a person is required by law to obey the instructions/orders of a peace officer. When they don't, when they actively resist, the original law violation becomes irrelevant at that point and the issue now is overcoming the resistance and is the force used justified. That is likely what the Grand Jury focused on as well.
What I observed on the available video was an officer taking the subject to the ground by controlling the head. For a short time he appears to have his arm around the guys neck. He releases that hold in less than 8 seconds and at that point the person is still concious and talking. That it caused his death is very unlikely. I've been in that position of recieving a choke like that dozens of times and obviously it didn't kill me. To say that was the cause of his death, I don't believe it and neither did the Grand Jury apparently.
The officer should be disciplined for applying the choke, but the reality is there isn't a cop that has spent any amount of time on the street who hasn't had his arm in that position for a brief time trying to gain control of a resisting subject. Maybe not as aggressively applied but people who are in the position of taking people into custody who don't want to be in custody will have some understanding of how that could happen without evil intentions. He may be terminated, he may not. I can see it going either way.
Taking resisting people into custody is never a pretty thing. It doesn't look like it does in the movies. It's not always as easy as it looks. Even the best situations where everyone is doing everything right, can look on video like an outright war. I can understand how it can look to people who are seeing it on a rare ocassion.
Had the officer not put his arm around the guys neck, I believe he would have died anyway. The exertion of the event was too much for the guy due to his physical condition and health issues. I wish he had just followed their instructions and not resisted. It's unfortunate that it ended that way.
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This x 100.
In a perfect world with perfect cops, the prefect amount of force would always be used to subdue a perp.
Cops are human and nobody should go out of there way to ignore or disrespect the officer's request.
In this case the video makes it clear, that the large man fails to comply with the cops demands.
If the cop turns out to be wrong, you take it up with his superior and file a formal complaint or sue.
The sad reality is, street people don't file suits or make formal complaints to officials.
Their norm is to settle things right there and then via verbal or physical confrontation.
The problem with THAT, is, it isn't how our legal system was meant to work.
FYI, big time organized crime, like the infamous mafia or corrupt officials knew how to work the system.
It's known as bribes and kick backs so the cops look the other way or ignore you.
Yes, the unauthorized selling of ciggs law is pretty dumb, but wtf.
What incentive does the cop have for ignoring him and letting him break this goofy law? NOTHING but grief and risk losing his job.
Agreed
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So enlighten us on what you prefer? Them to try and talk and grab him until he breaks one of thier faces first? Then is it ok to fight back? I never said it wasn't banned. I said it was right. FUCK THIS GUY HE RESISTED. Take him down hard before he do s damage first... Which is where this goes if you don't take him down.
Why don't you just say what you really want to say... You would rather see this guy break some cops face because he hesitated rather then take these animals out before they can do real damage.
Serious question... If the Mike Brown had charged the cop and he DIDNT shoot... What did you think he was gonna do? Kiss him? How about when he went for the gun? Trying to tickle him?
That's all this is about... You liberal idiots would be fine if this broke some cops face because they were trying to talk him down... Not a fucking word would be said. If say otherwise you are a liar.
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I'd be fine if the cops tasered the shit out of this disobedient fat fck. Because the NYPD has decided tasing is LEGAL. The taser has a limit number of VARIABLES. They can record the blasts, they know the results on the body, it's a very CONSISTENT charge, and the outcome is predictable.
Now, a choke hold is NOT consistent. There are TOO MANY VARIABLES for it to be used as a safe option by the NYPD. Smarter people that us have decided that. Very hard to execute, exposes the cop in a big way, very easy to do incorrectly. Too many variables for it to be safe. So the NYPD brains decided to ban it.
I think you're under the impression it was either "talk him down" or "choke hold him". No, there were plenty of options to get this disobedient scumbag on the ground, cuffed, and in the car.
Choke hold isn't one of these options. Period.
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You liberal idiots
I'm a liberal idiot because I want the cops to follow cop rules and use approved tactics against citizens?
I'm fine with them tazing or whatever other means that are legal. choke hold is not. Period.
Liberal idiocy = wanting police to follow the fcking NYPD rules? ???
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I'm a liberal idiot because I want the cops to follow cop rules and use approved tactics against citizens?
I'm fine with them tazing or whatever other means that are legal. choke hold is not. Period.
Liberal idiocy = wanting police to follow the fcking NYPD rules? ???
Nobody has EVER called me "liberal" on anything. Until now.
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I'm a liberal idiot because I want the cops to follow cop rules and use approved tactics against citizens?
I'm fine with them tazing or whatever other means that are legal. choke hold is not. Period.
Liberal idiocy = wanting police to follow the fcking NYPD rules? ???
Wanting cops to follow the rules is far from a liberal thing. What your evidence for a choke hold and not a submission hold?
A chokehold is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
Against
Garner did not die of asphyxiation.
He was talking during the incident.
The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.
Maybe it wasn't the hold that killed him but the cops piled on him.
The autopsy from the medical examiner attributed his death “Compression of neck, compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” But the autopsy further noted that Garner died thanks to acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and heart disease.
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Wanting cops to follow the rules is far from a liberal thing. What your evidence for a choke hold and not a submission hold?
A choke hold is a form of a submission hold.
lol this is basic MMA 101 here. As getbiggers, we're all advanced MMA fighters and should know this.
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A choke hold is a form of a submission hold.
lol this is basic MMA 101 here. As getbiggers, we're all advanced MMA fighters and should know this.
You're wrong. A choke hold cuts off the air flow by placing pressure on the throat. A submission hold cuts off the blood flow at the jugular and arteries of the neck
Looks like you flunked MMA 101
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so he was selling single cigs on the street on cigs he already bought at the store and paid the taxes on ??? ???
is this routine in new york ??? Do Pigs go around the city looking for people selling used toasters, child car seats, fish tanks, ect at yard sales and choke them out for selling their used shit and not getting the sales tax on it again ???
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I'd be fine if the cops tasered the shit out of this disobedient fat fck. Because the NYPD has decided tasing is LEGAL. The taser has a limit number of VARIABLES. They can record the blasts, they know the results on the body, it's a very CONSISTENT charge, and the outcome is predictable.
Now, a choke hold is NOT consistent. There are TOO MANY VARIABLES for it to be used as a safe option by the NYPD. Smarter people that us have decided that. Very hard to execute, exposes the cop in a big way, very easy to do incorrectly. Too many variables for it to be safe. So the NYPD brains decided to ban it.
I think you're under the impression it was either "talk him down" or "choke hold him". No, there were plenty of options to get this disobedient scumbag on the ground, cuffed, and in the car.
Choke hold isn't one of these options. Period.
So you are saying if he died the same way but from being tased no one protest? Seriously? That's your argument? You are a lying fuck or just plain dumb... Still white cops.. Still "unarmed" black guy. Safe fucking thing happens just because.
Really? THAT is your argument? You are gonna stick with that?
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You're wrong. A choke hold cuts off the air flow by placing pressure on the throat. A submission hold cuts off the blood flow at the jugular and arteries of the neck
Looks like you flunked MMA 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold
Choke holds are a form of submission hold.
And since ALL forms of submission holds are banned by NYPD, I'm not sure what you're saying here.
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so he was selling single cigs on the street on cigs he already bought at the store and paid the taxes on ??? ???
is this routine in new york ??? Do Pigs go around the city looking for people selling used toasters, child car seats, fish tanks, ect at yard sales and choke them out for selling their used shit and not getting the sales tax on it again ???
It is a routine. The taxes are really high on cigs. I doubt his connection acquired them legally. It wouldn't be good business. They are brought from out of state.
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so he was selling single cigs on the street on cigs he already bought at the store and paid the taxes on ??? ???
is this routine in new york ??? Do Pigs go around the city looking for people selling used toasters, child car seats, fish tanks, ect at yard sales and choke them out for selling their used shit and not getting the sales tax on it again ???
In progressive havens like NYC, not paying your pound of flesh to the leviathan state is a capital offense, apparently.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold
Choke holds are a form of submission hold.
And since ALL forms of submission holds are banned by NYPD, I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Watch the video. No they are not all banned. A choke hold and by that I mean cutting off the air flow is banned.
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So you are saying if he died the same way but from being tased no one protest? Seriously? That's your argument? You are a lying fuck or just plain dumb... Still white cops.. Still "unarmed" black guy. Safe fucking thing happens just because.
Really? THAT is your argument? You are gonna stick with that?
Hey, I could give a shit what people protest about. You addressed MY position. I would firehose the protesters in 30 degree weather. and I think the fat fuck should have listened to cops.
HOWEVER, they used a choke hold, and it's a banned move. Part of my liberal punk agenda is that police follow police rules, and 'no chokehold' is one of those rules.
We *can* change the subject to debating motive of hordes of idiot NY protesters, if you wish.
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Watch the video. No they are not all banned. A choke hold and by that I mean cutting off the air flow is banned.
Link to which submission holds are approved by the NYPD please.
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NYPD probers “are trying to determine whether it was technically “a chokehold or a submission hold” put on Garner — an important distinction, because chokeholds are specifically barred under department guidelines, a source said.
The rules don’t refer to “submission holds,” which include headlocks, a common practice by city cops.
NYPD makes a distinction
No damage to the throat. Cant prove it's a choke hold based on the standards of the NYPD
http://nypost.com/2014/07/22/bratton-all-cops-will-be-re-trained-in-use-of-force/
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NYPD probers “are trying to determine whether it was technically “a chokehold or a submission hold” put on Garner — an important distinction, because chokeholds are specifically barred under department guidelines, a source said.
The rules don’t refer to “submission holds,” which include headlocks, a common practice by city cops.
NYPD makes a distinction
No damage to the throat. Cant prove it's a choke hold based on the standards of the NYPD
http://nypost.com/2014/07/22/bratton-all-cops-will-be-re-trained-in-use-of-force/
I'll give you that point.
LOL the defense here by NYPD brass is that the cop wasn't strong enough to compelte the choke hold, thus his botched attempt wasn't *technically* a comlpeted choke hold?
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I'll give you that point.
LOL the defense here by NYPD brass is that the cop wasn't strong enough to compelte the choke hold, thus his botched attempt wasn't *technically* a comlpeted choke hold?
I'm just throwing info out there.
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Link to which submission holds are approved by the NYPD please.
Is an arm bar a "submission hold"?
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well Coach, this is why black people protest about racism and police brutality....you think its just whining and complaining...here as you said, the murder was caught on video tape with the cop using and illegal chokehold and he STILL walks....this is why blacks say that the lives of black people mean nothing
Shit happens to whites as well, the thing is we move on and don't really care. We've got better things to do. It may sound cold, but thats the reality.
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well Coach, this is why black people protest about racism and police brutality....you think its just whining and complaining...here as you said, the murder was caught on video tape with the cop using and illegal chokehold and he STILL walks....this is why blacks say that the lives of black people mean nothing
I never used the word "murder" because this was an unintentional death. Ferguson and this is like comparing fruits to vegetables. There were several things this cop could have done like just site him, appear in court and pay a fine. The cop (again, at least from the video) was the aggressor and by the looks of it for no reason. The only thing that I could think of is they ran his background and found something that would make that cop go in for an arrest (like a warrant). The other thing was they could have warned him then if he resisted, taze him. You had like five cops on him, of course he's going squirm and fight BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BREATH.
Ferguson..well, you just don't go after cops. If you do, you should get shot.
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Shit happens to whites as well, the thing is we move on and don't really care. We've got better things to do. It may sound cold, but that's the reality.
He wouldn't know
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I want to be white.
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I never used the word "murder" because this was an unintentional death. Ferguson and this is like comparing fruits to vegetables. There were several things this cop could have done like just site him, appear in court and pay a fine. The cop (again, at least from the video) was the aggressor and by the looks of it for no reason. The only thing that I could think of is they ran his background and found something that would make that cop go in for an arrest (like a warrant). The other thing was they could have warned him then if he resisted, taze him. You had like five cops on him, of course he's going squirm and fight BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BREATH.
Ferguson..well, you just don't go after cops. If you do, you should get shot.
Except that the officer asked him for ID and he said "What if I don't got any ID?" You cannot issue a citation to someone who does not have valid ID or refuses to give you ID when requested. So we'll have to take issuing a citation off the table as an option at that point. Cops will ALWAYS be the aggressor if you define aggressor as a person who has to put handcuffs on an individual who refuses to have handcuffs put on him "Don't touch me! Get away from me!" As for no reason... they had a reason. He was observed selling cigarettes to someone. When approached about it he refused to give the officer Identification. They tried to gain his cooperation and he refused. He put them in the position of having to take him into custody forcefully. Where you come to the conclusion of "For no reason" is a puzzle. I didn't see a Taser on either of the cops, maybe they had one, if so they should have used it.. but I doubt they did.
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Lol coach are u listening to rush? He just gave that exact speech on comparing ferguson with this almost word for word lol
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Except that the officer asked him for ID and he said "What if I don't got any ID?" You cannot issue a citation to someone who does not have valid ID or refuses to give you ID when requested. So we'll have to take issuing a citation off the table as an option at that point. Cops will ALWAYS be the aggressor if you define aggressor as a person who has to put handcuffs on an individual who refuses to have handcuffs put on him "Don't touch me! Get away from me!" As for no reason... they had a reason. He was observed selling cigarettes to someone. When approached about it he refused to give the officer Identification. They tried to gain his cooperation and he refused. He put them in the position of having to take him into custody forcefully. Where you come to the conclusion of "For no reason" is a puzzle. I didn't see a Taser on either of the cops, maybe they had one, if so they should have used it.. but I doubt they did.
I also think the taser would have killed him. Coach hasn`t figured that out yet though.
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5 cops on top of a skinny 110 pound crackhead could kill him just the same. Yes without air most people will squirm just to create space for lungs to expand.
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Lol coach are u listening to rush? He just gave that exact speech on comparing ferguson with this almost word for word lol
I haven't listened to rush in months. If he said that it's just commonsense. Pull up the transcript from his site or did you just want to pull from your usual Media Matters site?
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Link to which submission holds are approved by the NYPD please.
The thought being floated by the police associations, and some were mentioning that it was alluded to in the cops testimony, is that he was going for a "seat belt hold" which is approved -
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And in the ensuing back and forth, he lost control, felt like they were going to go through that plate glass window, and it turned into that half assed choke.
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I haven't listened to rush in months. If he said that it's just commonsense. Pull up the transcript from his site or did you just want to pull from your usual Media Matters site?
i wasn't shitting on you, just laughing that the belief seems to be pretty much shared by most
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The thought being floated by the police associations, and some were mentioning that it was alluded to in the cops testimony, is that he was going for a "seat belt hold" which is approved -
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And in the ensuing back and forth, he lost control, felt like they were going to go through that plate glass window, and it turned into that half assed choke.
The initial police report conveniently left out the use of a chokehold.
http://gothamist.com/2014/07/22/chokehold_what_chokehold.php
That ALONE should be adequate grounds for firing the cop. Leaving out a little detail like that lol. Then the video emerges, and suddenly the cop has to admit it...
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I also think the taser would have killed him. Coach hasn`t figured that out yet though.
Hearsay and opinions don't matter.
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Hearsay and opinions don't matter.
Then why did you make this thread?
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Hey, I could give a shit what people protest about. You addressed MY position. I would firehose the protesters in 30 degree weather. and I think the fat fuck should have listened to cops.
HOWEVER, they used a choke hold, and it's a banned move. Part of my liberal punk agenda is that police follow police rules, and 'no chokehold' is one of those rules.
We *can* change the subject to debating motive of hordes of idiot NY protesters, if you wish.
Have you ever tried to subdue an unruly 300 lb man via some hold?
I was a bar bouncer years ago and did my best to hold and throw drunks out of the bar.
I wasn't any great MMA fighter and no expert on submission holds and neither are most cops.
When a big dude is pissed off and struggling, it's tougher then it looks.
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One less nignog. Like I said before... STOP FUCKING BREAKING THE LAW... and you won't get shot or choked out. Kinda simple isn't it? Good riddance. Cop deserves a medal.
Except it will cost the tax payers over 5 million in a civil case.
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Have you ever tried to subdue an unruly 300 lb man via some hold?
I was a bar bouncer years ago and did my best to hold and throw drunks out of the bar.
I wasn't any great MMA fighter and no expert on submission holds and neither are most cops.
When a big dude is pissed off and struggling, it's tougher then it looks.
look at the video. he was flat on the ground, fat and weak as fck. He was squirming because there were 5 grown men on top of him, and that makes it hard to breathe.
Howard, tasers work great on 300+ pound people too. And theyre NOT against NYPD policy.
There's no need for us to plain armchair copper on this one - they have put a great deal of thought into it, and they ruled out the use of such holds because it has so many variables, can be deadly or ineffective, and place the cop in close contact with bad guy. Tasers work better for making a man submit without taking away his lungs' ability to expand.
You aren't arguing with me now, you're debating NYPD legal policy lol. It's their rule. Cop didn't follow it - and he KNEW he fcked up, because he left it out of the report. Without the video, we never know about that chokehold.
Are you okay with cops covering up the use of banned forced? Howard?
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Surprised a "Ba Ba Booey" wasn't thrown in there -
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My knee jerk response is to say the cop broke NYPD policy. Guilty. However, I now hear the fat fuck was alive when he went to the hospital and just maybe the autopsy (which was not out when many officials agreed it was a choke hold) will show no air passage breathing injury and he died from heart failure in the hospital due to obesity and asthma. IF that's the case....cops can not give a physical to everyone they take down who fights arrest. Had he offered his wrists he would be alive today with a triple cheese Big Mac and super size fries on his plate. I will now wait for release of the autopsy.
A doctor was on TV last night who said he reviewed the autopsy results and the guy died within a couple of minutes at the scene. In the 7 minute video, the guy was dead. Cops there told the guy recording it that the guy was breathing but they were lying. It's of my opinion that they knew they fucked up and the guy was dead but didn't want to treat him like a dead person and go into full CPR to save him for it would have shown to the crowd watching that they just killed him. Instead there claiming he died at the hospital but that's bullshit. That dude was dead as fuck on the side walk and not one cop there tried to do anything to bring him back. In fact they still kept him handcuffed when his eyes were rolled back into his head. They went right into "manipulate" the crime scene within minutes of the dude dying...
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Then why did you make this thread?
Hmmm, I don't have a good answer to that. Carry on...
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There all pretending his still breathing knowing the dude was dead...They kept him cuffed because they wanted to the crowd watching to think he was still alive and a threat. The dudes eyes were in the back of his head. Cuffs should have come off within minutes and CPR should have been giving. 4 EMT's were suspended after this. Cover up going on in this video.
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And, once again, this wouldn't have happened had he complied.
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There all pretending his still breathing knowing the dude was dead...They kept him cuffed because they wanted to the crowd watching to think he was still alive and a threat. The dudes eyes were in the back of his head. Cuffs should have come off within minutes and CPR should have been giving. 4 EMT's were suspended after this. Cover up going on in this video.
Disgusting. No pulse and body still warm. They should have done CPR. Sickening.
how often does this happen? they could save a bad guy, but just let him expire? Sickening. they leave him cuffs, they have zero interest in saving him.
NO WONDER people are pissed. I don't care if you resist arrest, you don't deserve that.
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There all pretending his still breathing knowing the dude was dead...They kept him cuffed because they wanted to the crowd watching to think he was still alive and a threat. The dudes eyes were in the back of his head. Cuffs should have come off within minutes and CPR should have been giving. 4 EMT's were suspended after this. Cover up going on in this video.
Piggies gone wild
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TA you would make a great policeman.
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Disgusting. No pulse and body still warm. They should have done CPR. Sickening.
how often does this happen? they could save a bad guy, but just let him expire? Sickening. they leave him cuffs, they have zero interest in saving him.
NO WONDER people are pissed. I don't care if you resist arrest, you don't deserve that.
Take a step back and try not to be so emotional. When you get overly excited your imaginations starts working overtime.
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Take a step back and try not to be so emotional. When you get overly excited your imaginations starts working overtime.
Their behavior is inexcusable. He's dead, in cuffs, and they're acting for the crowd. Some "American gangster" shit, where they pretend the dead guy is alive to appease the people around them. No CPR attempted. EMS playing ball.
Weird to see so many people confusing what is right, and what police say/do. Not always same thing.
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Their behavior is inexcusable. He's dead, in cuffs, and they're acting for the crowd. Some "American gangster" shit, where they pretend the dead guy is alive to appease the people around them. No CPR attempted. EMS playing ball.
Weird to see so many people confusing what is right, and what police say/do. Not always same thing.
To late. You're already casting for your next mental movie.
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TA you would make a great policeman.
I certainly do. ;)
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a lot of freedom haters up in this bitch
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a lot of freedom haters up in this bitch
thats why they call them little white crimes
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a lot of freedom haters up in this bitch
Open all the cages in the zoo if you love freedom so much hippie ::)
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Man who filmed the video was arrested one month after filming for a weapons charge. He claims that the cops planted the gun on him...WTF
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/nypd-officer-fatally-choked-eric-garner-wasnt-indicted-183500298.html
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To late. You're already casting for your next mental movie.
Hmm,
Perhaps, the loose cigarette thing is red herring. What if Garner was killed because he knew too much, was muscling on the illegal cigarette trade actually controlled by rogue NYPD cops, who in turn, were controlled by the Staten Island mob....
Quick, someone get Seagal on the phone, and let's get this script punched up ;D.
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NYPD EX COP OF THE YEAR BUSTED FOR BUYING 10 KILO'S OF COKE
NYPD Officer Philip LeRoy, who was named the ‘Cop of the Year’ at his precinct in Queens two years ago, was arrested for allegedly buying cocaine in Florida.
The NY Post reported on Wednesday that LeRoy and two other men were busted just before midnight on Monday in Sunrise City, Florida, northwest of Ft. Lauderdale.
According to the paper, the trio were buying 10 kilos of cocaine. LeRoy, the son of a former detective, had his off-duty gun on him at the time.
http://gawker.com/stupid-former-nypd-cop-of-the-year-arrested-for-tra-1666239047
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i shouldnt laugh...but its hilarious
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Open all the cages in the zoo if you love freedom so much hippie ::)
do you have a thought here? or is it you think the world should operate like a zoo?
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This one just gets worse.
In the 2nd video the man was clearly dead & their acting like he is
Alive, they should of got the cuffs off him & administered CPR.
Looks like they were not bothered or interested,
Then we have the 1st police report with no mention of a choke hold
Or attempted choke hold.
They forgot that, Thankfully the video jogged their poor memory.
Plus the cop has had 2 other civil rights abuse Violations.
Eric Garner may well have been selling cigarettes illegally.
And as more & more evidence comes out the cop & the police
Involved in the incident have acted very badly.
Forgetting & trying to cover up points.
Shameful Behaviour.
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Hmm,
Perhaps, the loose cigarette thing is red herring. What if Garner was killed because he knew too much, was muscling on the illegal cigarette trade actually controlled by rogue NYPD cops, who in turn, were controlled by the Staten Island mob....
Quick, someone get Seagal on the phone, and let's get this script punched up ;D.
Forrest Whitaker as Eric Garner.
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This one just gets worse.
In the 2nd video the man was clearly dead & their acting like he is
Alive, they should of got the cuffs off him & administered CPR.
Looks like they were not bothered or interested,
Then we have the 1st police report with no mention of a choke hold
Or attempted choke hold.
They forgot that, Thankfully the video jogged their poor memory.
Plus the cop has had 2 other civil rights abuse Violations.
Eric Garner may well have been selling cigarettes illegally.
And as more & more evidence comes out the cop & the police
Involved in the incident have acted very badly.
Forgetting & trying to cover up points.
Shameful Behaviour.
And the guy who recorded the video had a gun planted on him a month later.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/nypd-officer-fatally-choked-eric-garner-wasnt-indicted-183500298.html
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Forrest Whitaker as Eric Garner.
Ha,
"Anybody see Pantaleo? Anybody know why Pantaleo did Eric Garner!?!?"
(http://s3.vidimg.popscreen.com/original/28/eG5sMHpmMTI=_o_steven-seagal-in-out-for-justice-bar-scene---dailymotion.jpg).
We can give 240 a cameo as "Conspiracy Cabbie" or "Man at Bar".
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Ha,
"Anybody see Pantaleo? Anybody know why Pantaleo did Eric Garner!?!?"
(http://s3.vidimg.popscreen.com/original/28/eG5sMHpmMTI=_o_steven-seagal-in-out-for-justice-bar-scene---dailymotion.jpg).
We can give 240 a cameo as "Conspiracy Cabbie" or "Man at Bar".
Conspiracy Cabbie is perfect. He gives three different versions of the same story all of them he made up
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Have you ever tried to subdue an unruly 300 lb man via some hold?
I was a bar bouncer years ago and did my best to hold and throw drunks out of the bar.
I wasn't any great MMA fighter and no expert on submission holds and neither are most cops.
When a big dude is pissed off and struggling, it's tougher then it looks.
No shit? If that's true, the LAST people who should incorrectly apply a sub/choke hold would be a cop, then, no?
Plus, there were FIVE cops there. Five allegedly trained grown men cannot contain a goofy, out of shape asthmatic without choking him into unconsciousness? Pathetic pussies.....all of them. Now that the odds aren't in his favor, the brave submission expert pig is under 24/7 protection, probably cowering under mommy's bed.
I hope the family sues the shit out of the cowards and the city they "serve."
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The initial police report conveniently left out the use of a chokehold.
http://gothamist.com/2014/07/22/chokehold_what_chokehold.php
That ALONE should be adequate grounds for firing the cop. Leaving out a little detail like that lol. Then the video emerges, and suddenly the cop has to admit it...
Except that I didn't put that I placed people in a "Choke hold" when I grabbed them around the neck to bring them down, or hang on when they struggled to hold him immobile because I didn't consider it a choke hold and it wasnt my intention to place the person in a choke hold. There is a possibility it wasn't mentioned because it wasn't considered a choke hold. "I grabbed the suspect around the neck area to bring him to the ground" would be pretty accurate
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No shit? If that's true, the LAST people who should incorrectly apply a sub/choke hold would be a cop, then, no?
Plus, there were FIVE cops there. Five allegedly trained grown men cannot contain a goofy, out of shape asthmatic without choking him into unconsciousness? Pathetic pussies.....all of them. Now that the odds aren't in his favor, the brave submission expert pig is under 24/7 protection, probably cowering under mommy's bed.
I hope the family sues the shit out of the cowards and the city they "serve."
I'm guessing the fact that never happened really doesn't matter to you..
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This case is pretty cut and dry. Dude sells loose cigs. He needed to die.
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This case is pretty cut and dry. Dude sells loose cigs. He needed to die.
Thats not what happened.
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Thats not what happened.
hahaha.
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When a cop tells you you are under arrest and to put your hands behind your back, don't refuse and start flailing your arms....He died because he was so fat and unhealthy and because he resisted arrest...He caused his own death by his actions...
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Thats not what happened.
Wasting your time.
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I'm guessing the fact that never happened really doesn't matter to you..
Well, your guess is incorrect. That's exactly what happened.
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This case is pretty cut and dry. Dude sells loose cigs. He needed to die.
I agree. Cigs are highly dangerous.
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I want to be white.
It is pretty awesome.
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wow... this second video is awful. They're pretending he's alive. They're not giving him CPR. They're essentially doing nothing to give him medical attention. Just letting him pass away and grow cold. CPR could have saved his life in those moments he laid there, not breathing. They all knew he was dying/dead. Paramedics just stood there.
You have to wonder, how often they pull this shit. They'll sit and let an injured person pass away because they were doing something like selling ciggs. sickening. Maybe the cop deserver the whooping, maybe we can let the choke hold go.
I dont think ANY of us believe it's cool to let someone die and avoid medical attention and "pretend" he's alive to appease crowd.
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The "chokehold" is approved my many departments in use of force situations. I do agree since it is not approved by the NYPD the officer should be suspended and he probably will be. But just because he tries to take down a man twice his size doesn't mean he committed any form of murder. But everyone here can listen to the media and protesters instead of the facts.
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after seeing that video... I dont think the choke hold even matters.
They didn't report the choke, very bad.
But letting a dude expire - remain in cuffs while he death gurgled... kept the paramedics away. gotta be a crime. unreal.
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wow... this second video is awful. They're pretending he's alive. They're not giving him CPR. They're essentially doing nothing to give him medical attention. Just letting him pass away and grow cold. CPR could have saved his life in those moments he laid there, not breathing. They all knew he was dying/dead. Paramedics just stood there.
You have to wonder, how often they pull this shit. They'll sit and let an injured person pass away because they were doing something like selling ciggs. sickening. Maybe the cop deserver the whooping, maybe we can let the choke hold go.
I dont think ANY of us believe it's cool to let someone die and avoid medical attention and "pretend" he's alive to appease crowd.
No dude, it's not because they don't care, it's because they care so much. Roll with me here...
Upon pulling up to the gentleman selling "loosies" , they quickly realize after running his information, he is an organ donor. These cops are avid getbiggers, and have suffered mental anguish, as we all have over the recent passing of so many bodybuilding/getbigger elite due to organ failure (genetic conditions of course)i.e. Nasser, DA, etc. and they just wanted to make sure that with this middle aged Hebrews passing, that his organs can be harvested and given to those in need. So what they did, was speed up the process that would've naturally taken place at his next visit to Burger King, or the restroom for that matter. This man, as well as these cops are heros, and are deserving of the Medal of Honor, or at the very least, Blue Stars on their accounts here at GetBig. Sorry Basile, you'll have a long road ahead if you want your Blue Stars now. :-\
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wow... this second video is awful. They're pretending he's alive. They're not giving him CPR. They're essentially doing nothing to give him medical attention. Just letting him pass away and grow cold. CPR could have saved his life in those moments he laid there, not breathing. They all knew he was dying/dead. Paramedics just stood there.
You have to wonder, how often they pull this shit. They'll sit and let an injured person pass away because they were doing something like selling ciggs. sickening. Maybe the cop deserver the whooping, maybe we can let the choke hold go.
I dont think ANY of us believe it's cool to let someone die and avoid medical attention and "pretend" he's alive to appease crowd.
Are you blind? Police are there to protect people, not cause them harm. Eric's cigarette dealing was placing the entire tri-state area in danger....he had to be stopped at all costs.
Furthermore, after reviewing both videos, it has become apparent that fat Eric should be charged with five counts of attempted murder on a police officer. Expect his flabby remains to be charged accordingly within the next few days.....
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Are you saying his family should be billed for the sidewalk rental space? I mean, he obviously blocked entrance to the shops by pretending to be alive when he had in fact expired, thus really preventing the stores from serving the honest and hard working people of that particular borough.
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I always suspected cigarettes were dangerous.
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I like how each of these incidents feature someone breaking the law, resisting arrest or outright assaulting a police officer or citizen, yet morons want to give the criminal the sympathy and the free pass.
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after seeing that video... I dont think the choke hold even matters.
They didn't report the choke, very bad.
But letting a dude expire - remain in cuffs while he death gurgled... kept the paramedics away. gotta be a crime. unreal.
What's very telling is all TV media is not even talking about the fact that he's dead just lying there and no CPR was given to him. There just running with the story on if he should have had to die. Very weird. It's not the act but how they reacted to it is what really is bothersome...Why aren't they (the media) talking about why no one tried to save his life? What the fuck do they think the guy was sleeping for over 7 minutes on the sidewalk? They think he was faking it. The dudes eyes were rolled back into his head(via Coroner report) Dude was dead as a door nail 2 minutes after going down...
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wow... this second video is awful. They're pretending he's alive. They're not giving him CPR. They're essentially doing nothing to give him medical attention. Just letting him pass away and grow cold. CPR could have saved his life in those moments he laid there, not breathing. They all knew he was dying/dead. Paramedics just stood there.
You have to wonder, how often they pull this shit. They'll sit and let an injured person pass away because they were doing something like selling ciggs. sickening. Maybe the cop deserver the whooping, maybe we can let the choke hold go.
I dont think ANY of us believe it's cool to let someone die and avoid medical attention and "pretend" he's alive to appease crowd.
Why would you give CPR to someone who is breathing? ???
Did you not know that he was breathing?
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Why would you give CPR to someone who is breathing? ???
Did you not know that he was breathing?
I couldn't tell from that video that he was breathing. He looked dead to me.
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It is very common for criminals to fake an illness while getting arrested. Cops probably just thought he was faking.
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I couldn't tell from that video that he was breathing. He looked dead to me.
According to the medical evidence presented he was breathing and died of a heart attack in the ambulance.
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It is very common for criminals to fake an illness while getting arrested. Cops probably just thought he was faking.
Here's an old paramedic trick to see who is faking being passed out. They have the person lying on their back and they hold the person's hand and arm at the wrist over the person's face like they are taking a pulse. They hold it about 6-8 inches above the face then they let it go. If the person is passed out their hand will fall limply to their face. If they are faking it won't because the natural impulse of a conscious person is to not let something hit them in the face. Seen it done, works like a charm.
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It is pretty awesome.
I'm thinking about bleaching my skin.
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According to the medical evidence presented he was breathing and died of a heart attack in the ambulance.
Any word on toxicology? He seemed in pretty good shape and otherwise the picture of health. I think he was going to enter a Crossfit contest in a few weeks.
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Any word on toxicology? He seemed in pretty good shape and otherwise the picture of health. I think he was going to enter a Crossfit contest in a few weeks.
;D
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I'm thinking about bleaching my skin.
What do you want?
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I don't always agree with TA, but when I do....
It's disturbing as fuck.
But he's right on this.
Don't break the law you won't get choked out.
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I don't always agree with TA, but when I do....
It's disturbing as fuck.
But he's right on this.
Don't break the law you won't get choked out.
Breaking the law and being choked are really mututally exclusive. You can break the law and not get choked out.
Its how you respond AFTER you break the law which may or may not lead to your death.
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I'm surprised the cop didn't get charged.
I'd be interested in seeing the demographics of the grand jury. My guess is you had a group of Staten Island Italians not wanting to indict one of their own.
I'll take my props, now:
Man who filmed Eric Garner in chokehold says grand jury was rigged.
EXCLUSIVE: Ramsey Orta — who recorded the July 17 incident in which Officer Daniel Pantaleo put Eric Garner in a chokehold shortly before he died on his cellphone — told the Daily News the grand jury ‘wasn’t fair from the start,’ and claims his testimony only lasted 10 minutes. ‘I think they already had their minds made up,’ he said.
BY ERIK BADIA , TINA MOORE , CORKY SIEMASZKO NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Thursday, December 4, 2014, 12:02 PM Updated: Friday, December 5, 2014,
“The feds should pick it up,” he said. “Staten Island is too tied up. They all know each other. They won’t violate their own kind.”
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I'll take my props, now:
Man who filmed Eric Garner in chokehold says grand jury was rigged.
EXCLUSIVE: Ramsey Orta — who recorded the July 17 incident in which Officer Daniel Pantaleo put Eric Garner in a chokehold shortly before he died on his cellphone — told the Daily News the grand jury ‘wasn’t fair from the start,’ and claims his testimony only lasted 10 minutes. ‘I think they already had their minds made up,’ he said.
BY ERIK BADIA , TINA MOORE , CORKY SIEMASZKO NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Thursday, December 4, 2014, 12:02 PM Updated: Friday, December 5, 2014,
“The feds should pick it up,” he said. “Staten Island is too tied up. They all know each other. They won’t violate their own kind.”
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Yes, because Ramsy Orta, is a paradigm of honesty, an oracle of truth, especially when he was arrested for a weapons charge and claims it was planted by the police.
Take your props and shove them down your throat. :D
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Sue the criminals!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/28/heart-attack-law-enforcement-officers-deaths/2586077/
Heart attacks a rising deadly weapon among cops
Seriously - because there are a lot of fat cops nowadays. Simple as that. Also people today are not as healthy as in the past (and no being lean and muscular on it's own is not "being healthy.")
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if the man refuses, you do what you are trained to do - take him down with a legal move. Keep him on the ground with a legal move. That fat man wasn't standing back up with 5 cops on his back. The choke hold was banned and wasn't necessary.
he wasn't getting away. his fat ass was slow and weak and was already flat on ground. They were zip tying him. The choke hold was a PUNISHMENT, not a tactic for control. He was choked not to save lives or stop an out-of-control situation. The cop was pissed at this fat a-hole selling smokes and trying to walk away from a cop's order, and wanted him to feel some pain.
THAT Is the problem. When cops decide they want to get a little extra in - and in some cases, the person getting an extra choke, kick, shove, just happens to have health problems. Death from chokehold WAS a foreseeable outcome - WHICH IS WHY IT WAS BANNED.
I dont get it... Excusing a deadly move because "Oh, he should have listened..." Fuck that. Cop used a deadly move on a man already getting zip tied on the concrete who posed no threat to anyone. You give cops that kinda power, don't be surprised when cops are choking YOU because you took too long to pull over becuase you didn't see them behind you. Dont give them that permission to use deadly moves when not needed, as punishment.
You're hilarious - government hurts a black man = OUTRAGE
government hurts a white man = EXCUSES or SILENCE
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so he was selling single cigs on the street on cigs he already bought at the store and paid the taxes on ??? ???
is this routine in new york ??? Do Pigs go around the city looking for people selling used toasters, child car seats, fish tanks, ect at yard sales and choke them out for selling their used shit and not getting the sales tax on it again ???
Yes. They killed this man because he was costing the city a few dollars in tax monies. These police are tax collectors/enforcers.
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In progressive havens like NYC, not paying your pound of flesh to the leviathan state is a capital offense, apparently.
NYC is run by the Jewish mafia. Never mess with the Jewish mafia.
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That dude was dead as fuck on the side walk and not one cop there tried to do anything to bring him back. In fact they still kept him handcuffed when his eyes were rolled back into his head. They went right into "manipulate" the crime scene within minutes of the dude dying...
natural cop psychology
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What do you want?
He wants to whine like a child.
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Nobody has noticed it's not about race but about size. These cops overreacted because they were dealing with some rather large men and that made them feel threatened, even though they were gentle giants of peace.
Bodybuilders and fatsos beware!
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He wants to whine like a child.
No I'm going to hang out with you guys.
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Do black lives really matter though?
think about it.....
and I'm not asking this from a "racist" POV...I'm talking strictly from a economics POV
I mean- Black reproduce LIKE rabbits
There is a huge overabundance of blacks
IF anything the cops are actually making blacks lives more valuable by actually making them more scarce
Adam Smith would agree
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Do black lives really matter though?
think about it.....
and I'm not asking this from a "racist" POV...I'm talking strictly from a economics POV
I mean- Black reproduce LIKE rabbits
There is a huge overabundance of blacks
IF anything the cops are actually making blacks lives more valuable by actually making them more scarce
Adam Smith would agree
The world needs more wellfare customers, prisoners, drug dealers and prostitutes.
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The world needs more wellfare customers, prisoners, drug dealers and prostitutes.
for some reason this reminds me of one of my favorite jackie martling jokes
"How do you know a black guy is getting a raise?"
"His wife is pregnant"
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for some reason this reminds me of one of my favorite jackie martling jokes
"How do you know a black guy is getting a raise?"
"His wife is pregnant"
Haha that instantly made me remember this
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Well, your guess is incorrect. That's exactly what happened.
if you say so.... ::)
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Haha that instantly made me remember this
you tube is acting "wonky" but, yes- the "jackie the racist teacher" animation bit kills me.....anything "jackie during the news" kills me quite frankly
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What's very telling is all TV media is not even talking about the fact that he's dead just lying there and no CPR was given to him. There just running with the story on if he should have had to die. Very weird. It's not the act but how they reacted to it is what really is bothersome...Why aren't they (the media) talking about why no one tried to save his life? What the fuck do they think the guy was sleeping for over 7 minutes on the sidewalk? They think he was faking it. The dudes eyes were rolled back into his head(via Coroner report) Dude was dead as a door nail 2 minutes after going down...
This I can agree with. I don't have much of any concern with the take down. I have serious concern with the aftercare once he's in cuffs.
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if you say so.... ::)
It's not only me saying it this time. Turn on the tv and view some of the opposing viewpoints with your blue tinted glasses off.....
And I don't mean the degenerate protesters yelling Ebonics at the newscaster, either.
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It's not only me saying it this time. Turn on the tv and view some of the opposing viewpoints with your blue tinted glasses off.....
And I don't mean the degenerate protesters yelling Ebonics at the newscaster, either.
Why don't I just watch the video, where I see and hear what happened? Because what I see is that after the "choke hold" is released, he is still talking. Are you suggesting that he was talking in his sleep? He was not choked unconscious.
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http://kfor.com/2014/02/25/graphic-raw-video-of-arrest-released-after-man-dies-in-moore-police-custody/
Similar case
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you tube is acting "wonky" but, yes- the "jackie the racist teacher" animation bit kills me.....anything "jackie during the news" kills me quite frankly
haha :D
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btw, I've seen this guy A LOT on tv after this thing happened to the other fat black guy
anyway-- can someone explain to me why the people of Harlem representented this old Sicilian man to represent them? and why does he give a shit about the Schvartzers so much?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Charles_B_Rangel_Portrait.jpg)
I mean- don't wops hate blacks?!
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btw- if any of you post THAT CLIP from "true Romance" in response I will punch you through the intranet
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btw, I've seen this guy A LOT on tv after this thing happened to the other fat black guy
anyway-- can someone explain to me why the people of Harlem representented this old Sicilian man to represent them? and why does he give a shit about the Schvartzers so much?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Charles_B_Rangel_Portrait.jpg)
I mean- don't wops hate blacks?!
Yeah I thought Vito Corleone took care of him back in The Old Country during The Godfather 2.
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Why don't I just watch the video, where I see and hear what happened? Because what I see is that after the "choke hold" is released, he is still talking. Are you suggesting that he was talking in his sleep? He was not choked unconscious.
The time of death doesn't matter. The cause of death is the matter of concern. The cop rendered Eric immobile while the other dolts looked on. When it was revealed that Eric died, the cops took the usual "not me" defense. If the situation was reversed and Eric laid his hands on the cop, he would be charged with attempted murder had he lived.
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No dude, it's not because they don't care, it's because they care so much. Roll with me here...
Upon pulling up to the gentleman selling "loosies" , they quickly realize after running his information, he is an organ donor. These cops are avid getbiggers, and have suffered mental anguish, as we all have over the recent passing of so many bodybuilding/getbigger elite due to organ failure (genetic conditions of course)i.e. Nasser, DA, etc. and they just wanted to make sure that with this middle aged Hebrews passing, that his organs can be harvested and given to those in need. So what they did, was speed up the process that would've naturally taken place at his next visit to Burger King, or the restroom for that matter. This man, as well as these cops are heros, and are deserving of the Medal of Honor, or at the very least, Blue Stars on their accounts here at GetBig. Sorry Basile, you'll have a long road ahead if you want your Blue Stars now. :-\
???
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The time of death doesn't matter. The cause of death is the matter of concern. The cop rendered Eric immobile while the other dolts looked on. When it was revealed that Eric died, the cops took the usual "not me" defense. If the situation was reversed and Eric laid his hands on the cop, he would be charged with attempted murder had he lived.
I think we are off track now. You're original statement was that Garner was choked unconscious. That's what I was responding to. He wasn't choked unconscious. As far as the rest of the above post, it's irrelevant to the original discussion.
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humans are oportunistic animals, there s always someone who has something to sell.
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i'm shocked when anyone decides to defend letting the man sit dead in handcuffs while they scuttle about looking for an idea as "hey, that's what you get for fighting cops".
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Do black lives really matter though?
think about it.....
and I'm not asking this from a "racist" POV...I'm talking strictly from a economics POV
I mean- Black reproduce LIKE rabbits
There is a huge overabundance of blacks
IF anything the cops are actually making blacks lives more valuable by actually making them more scarce
Adam Smith would agree
Oh. My. God.
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I actually learned a lesson through these terrible tragedies
Being black sucks but if your a fat titsone then you're FUCKED
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11 Facts!
1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.
"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"
2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"
3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.
4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."
8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.
9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.
10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.
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"11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel."
This is only to discredit the video. Somehow. Not sure how. And he claims it was planted - wouldn't surprise me. Cops would let a man die in cuffs - and deny him CPR - but wouldn't frame someone?
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So, a Staten Island Cop with a Italian Last name killed a black guy?
What aisle at Sherwin Williams is the color "Shocked" because I'm gonna paint myself in it
...gimme a break
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I think we are off track now. You're original statement was that Garner was choked unconscious. That's what I was responding to. He wasn't choked unconscious. As far as the rest of the above post, it's irrelevant to the original discussion.
Hey, thanks for clearing that up. It all makes sense now....just keep confusing the facts to suit your point of view. You should contact the media and enlighten them with your brilliance...the protests will stop...the cops involved can get out from under mommy's skirt and call off the protection, and the nice officers can go back to helping the elderly and getting cats from trees.
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Hey, thanks for clearing that up. It all makes sense now....just keep confusing the facts to suit your point of view. You should contact the media and enlighten them with your brilliance...the protests will stop...the cops involved can get out from under mommy's skirt and call off the protection, and the nice officers can go back to helping the elderly and getting cats from trees.
You are confusing emotion for facts. Admit he got you on the facts.
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"11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel."
This is only to discredit the video. Somehow. Not sure how. And he claims it was planted - wouldn't surprise me. Cops would let a man die in cuffs - and deny him CPR - but wouldn't frame someone?
Oh man, you're doing it again. Don't let your imagination run away with you.
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Oh man, you're doing it again. Don't let your imagination run away with you.
can you really look at the dead man in CUFFS on the ground, and not get upset at those cops?
can you really see them holding off EMS, knowing pulse is gone, for 2 minutes, and not feel disgust?
yet they woudln't plant a gun on a guy that outed them with the video?
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can you really look at the dead man in CUFFS on the ground, and not get upset at those cops?
can you really see them holding off EMS, knowing pulse is gone, for 2 minutes, and not feel disgust?
yet they woudln't plant a gun on a guy that outed them with the video?
You can't assume anything that you can't prove. You're speculating. There is no evidence for a gun being planted. This is how false ideas get stuck in peoples heads. This is why despite all the evidence people still believe Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back. You could just as easily argue that a person involved in criminal activity is not above illegally possessing a gun. It's occam's razor.
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You can't assume anything that you can't prove. You're speculating. There is no evidence for a gun being planted. This is how false ideas get stuck in peoples heads. This is why despite all the evidence people still believe Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back. You could just as easily argue that a person involved in criminal activity is not above illegally possessing a gun. It's occam's razor.
I can assume that it's possible, and that the cops have a motive for doing it. Motive. Since the cops were the ones finding the gun, that's opportunity. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm saying it's entirely possibly and maybe a little likely.
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i'm shocked when anyone decides to defend letting the man sit dead in handcuffs while they scuttle about looking for an idea as "hey, that's what you get for fighting cops".
He wasn`t dead in handcuffs. You have to stick to the facts.
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You can't assume anything that you can't prove. You're speculating. There is no evidence for a gun being planted. This is how false ideas get stuck in peoples heads. This is why despite all the evidence people still believe Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back. You could just as easily argue that a person involved in criminal activity is not above illegally possessing a gun. It's occam's razor.
Everything is a conspiracy. I lost count how many were presented in this thread.
You would think sticking to the facts and evidence would be easy here, given we have a video and everything, but sadly, they can`t even do that correctly. Its insane really.
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Everything is a conspiracy. I lost count how many were presented in this thread.
You would think sticking to the facts and evidence would be easy here, given we have a video and everything, but sadly, they can`t even do that correctly. Its insane really.
whats your fact based take on the whle situation ta
unfortunate accident due to the man who dies being obese and unfit
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11 Facts!
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold complaints.
11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.
6. So what was Eric doing for those minutes lying on the floor, very Dead looking with eyes rolled into back of his head, He appeared very Dead or at The Least Dead Relaxed.
7. With that number of complaints it's probably safe to say there is still some use of the choke hold by police officers.
11, What difference does that make to the video footage he took.
And what is the relevance to Eric's death & that particular police situation.
Are they trying to discredit the video footage taken.
I.E.. he is a criminal & this video may be untrue or staged to make the police look bad.
A lot of twist & turns by the police department, why not just say the situation was handled
Wrongly with the attempted choke hold, 4/ 5 police on top of him, & not giving Eric The
Due care & attention when He Needed It.
Eric's health & weight were probably a big factor in his death no doubt,
But being left unattended on the floor when he was unconscious / dead or dying,
Otherwise he was a damn good actor.
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whats your fact based take on the whle situation ta
unfortunate accident due to the man who dies being obese and unfit
That is what the medical evidence and video suggest. 240 wanted him to be tased which would have been way more strain on his body and would have surely killed him.
He was teetering on death at any point. The cops did not intend to kill anyone that day.
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I can assume that it's possible, and that the cops have a motive for doing it. Motive. Since the cops were the ones finding the gun, that's opportunity. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm saying it's entirely possibly and maybe a little likely.
You're advocating that position without also acknowledging alternatives.
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That is what the medical evidence and video suggest. 240 wanted him to be tased which would have been way more strain on his body and would have surely killed him.
He was teetering on death at any point. The cops did not intend to kill anyone that day.
thats my take
positional asphyxiation due to his weight
his size worked against him through the whole incident
if im ever in thet states and the police instruct me to do anything
you can rest assured i will do exaclty as they tell me immedietly
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Aug-2014 NYC
It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him.
Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn’t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.
The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and “prone positioning during physical restraint by police” killed Garner. The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide.
Garner’s widow told the Daily News she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected since her husband died on July 17.
“Thank God the truth is finally out,” Esaw Garner said. “Thank God for that.”
Staten Island prosecutors are still investigating the 43-year-old man’s death. No one has been charged.
The announcement from the medical examiner’s office was the latest development in a case that sparked national outrage after The News obtained a sickening cell phone video. It showed Officer Daniel Pantaleo using the banned chokehold on the father of six.
Police say they approached Garner because he was selling unlicensed cigarettes — better known as loosies — and that he resisted arrest.
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Many fear the incident will fan racial tensions. Garner was black. Pantaleo and most of the other cops involved are white.
Mayor de Blasio, who promised during his campaign to make the NYPD more responsive to minority communities, said Friday he was “absolutely committed to ensuring that the proper reforms are enacted to ensure that this won’t happen again.”
“We all have a responsibility to work together to heal the wounds from decades of mistrust and create a culture where the police department and the communities they protect respect each other,” he said.
The Rev. Al Sharpton, a vocal critic of the the NYPD, just a day earlier pointedly told the mayor his biracial son Dante could be “a candidate for a chokehold.” But Sharpton held his fire after the medical examiner’s announcement.
“We’re reviewing it and we’ll be announcing tomorrow what course of action we’ll be taking after we meet tonight,” he told The News.
The Staten Island district attorney’s office said they had been in touch with the medical examiner.
“We await the issuance of the official death certificate and the autopsy report,” an office statement read. “The investigation into Mr. Garner’s death continues.”
Daniel Pantaleo, the cop involved in fatal encounter with Eric Garner, has been reassigned.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Daniel Pantaleo, the cop involved in fatal encounter with Eric Garner, has been reassigned.
The autopsy determined the victim’s asthma, obesity and high blood pressure were also contributing factors in his death.
Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said the NYPD will continue cooperating with Staten Island prosecutors, who are “the lead investigative entity in this case.”
Meanwhile, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association offered condolences to Garner’s family, but also said he was partly responsible for his death.
“We believe, however, that if he had not resisted the lawful order of the police officers placing him under arrest, this tragedy would not have occurred,” PBA President Pat Lynch said in a statement.
Pantaleo, on the force eight years, was stripped of his gun and badge and placed on desk duty. Pantaleo, 29, has been accused of false arrest and violating police procedures in two previous lawsuits, court records show. A second officer was also put on desk duty after the deadly Staten Island clash.
Garner, whose rap sheet listed 31 arrests beginning when he was 16, met his end in the Tompkinsville neighborhood. The area falls within the 120th Precinct, which has seven of the city’s most sued officers.
Video clearly showed Pantaleo wrapping a beefy arm around Garner’s neck as he brought the 350-pound man down. Garner landed on his hands and knees and then onto his side. And, as four other plainclothes cops joined in the fray, Garner was then forced onto his chest and held down on the ground.
Widow Esaw Garner said she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected.
NORMAN Y. LONO FOR NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Widow Esaw Garner said she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected.
“I can't breathe!” Garner could be heard screaming. “I can’t breathe!”
But Pantaleo did not let go. He was seen forcing Garner’s face into the concrete. Four minutes into a seven-minute video clip, four EMTs arrived. But neither they — nor the eight cops standing around as Garner lay on the sidewalk — could be seen trying to help the unconscious man.
One emergency worker checked Garner’s pulse and told the apparently lifeless man that help had arrived. Then the cops and the worker lifted Garner onto a stretcher and he was driven to a Staten Island hospital.
The NYPD’s internal report prepared right after Garner died didn’t mention a chokehold and insisted he had not been in “great distress.”
But the video told a different story.
“As an individual who’s no expert in law enforcement, it looked like a chokehold to me,” de Blasio told reporters after news broke of Garner’s death.
Garner’s mother, Gwen Carr, 65, told The News after his death that she was relieved there were recordings of her son’s last moments.
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Eric Garner and wife Esaw.
“I don’t want him to have died in vain,” she said. “As people see, it’s just a godsend that we have the video. Just look at the tape.”
But PBA president Patrick Lynch cautioned against reading too much into the damning video.
“Videotapes never present all of the facts in a situation,” Lynch said. “They present an isolated period of a police interaction, but never the entire scenario.”
After several people were asphyxiated while in police custody, the NYPD forbade the use of chokeholds in 1983, stating it could only be used when an officer’s life was in danger.
Former Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly banned the use of chokeholds altogether in 1993.
The following year, Bronx resident Anthony Baez, 29, died after Officer Francis Livoti put him in a chokehold after a football he was throwing around with friends hit the cop’s car.
In the wake of Garner’s death, Bratton ordered that the NYPD’s 35,000 officers be retrained in the proper use of force when subduing a suspect.
Also, the four EMTs who apparently did nothing to aid Garner have been banned from responding to calls until the investigation is complete. They are not employed by the Fire Department.
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black "people" are not all bad, just 99.9% of them.
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Why not just comply? The common theme in all these cases is that they are resisting arrest or not complying with officer's demands. Are some cigarettes, or a little weed and some pills, or whatever it may be, worth dying over? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with this shit. For fucks sake, it's common sense. You resist, you're asking for trouble. Plain and simple. That can't be disputed.
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Sometimes you're in that 1%, you black bastard! ;D
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Sometimes you're in that 1%, you black bastard! ;D
0.1%
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Hammer meet Nail, BOOOM!
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Hammer meet Nail, BOOOM!
Race traitor. Hope the panthers get him.
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Aug-2014 NYC
It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him.
Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn’t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.
The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and “prone positioning during physical restraint by police” killed Garner. The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide.
Garner’s widow told the Daily News she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected since her husband died on July 17.
“Thank God the truth is finally out,” Esaw Garner said. “Thank God for that.”
Staten Island prosecutors are still investigating the 43-year-old man’s death. No one has been charged.
The announcement from the medical examiner’s office was the latest development in a case that sparked national outrage after The News obtained a sickening cell phone video. It showed Officer Daniel Pantaleo using the banned chokehold on the father of six.
Police say they approached Garner because he was selling unlicensed cigarettes — better known as loosies — and that he resisted arrest.
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Many fear the incident will fan racial tensions. Garner was black. Pantaleo and most of the other cops involved are white.
Mayor de Blasio, who promised during his campaign to make the NYPD more responsive to minority communities, said Friday he was “absolutely committed to ensuring that the proper reforms are enacted to ensure that this won’t happen again.”
“We all have a responsibility to work together to heal the wounds from decades of mistrust and create a culture where the police department and the communities they protect respect each other,” he said.
The Rev. Al Sharpton, a vocal critic of the the NYPD, just a day earlier pointedly told the mayor his biracial son Dante could be “a candidate for a chokehold.” But Sharpton held his fire after the medical examiner’s announcement.
“We’re reviewing it and we’ll be announcing tomorrow what course of action we’ll be taking after we meet tonight,” he told The News.
The Staten Island district attorney’s office said they had been in touch with the medical examiner.
“We await the issuance of the official death certificate and the autopsy report,” an office statement read. “The investigation into Mr. Garner’s death continues.”
Daniel Pantaleo, the cop involved in fatal encounter with Eric Garner, has been reassigned.
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Daniel Pantaleo, the cop involved in fatal encounter with Eric Garner, has been reassigned.
The autopsy determined the victim’s asthma, obesity and high blood pressure were also contributing factors in his death.
Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said the NYPD will continue cooperating with Staten Island prosecutors, who are “the lead investigative entity in this case.”
Meanwhile, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association offered condolences to Garner’s family, but also said he was partly responsible for his death.
“We believe, however, that if he had not resisted the lawful order of the police officers placing him under arrest, this tragedy would not have occurred,” PBA President Pat Lynch said in a statement.
Pantaleo, on the force eight years, was stripped of his gun and badge and placed on desk duty. Pantaleo, 29, has been accused of false arrest and violating police procedures in two previous lawsuits, court records show. A second officer was also put on desk duty after the deadly Staten Island clash.
Garner, whose rap sheet listed 31 arrests beginning when he was 16, met his end in the Tompkinsville neighborhood. The area falls within the 120th Precinct, which has seven of the city’s most sued officers.
Video clearly showed Pantaleo wrapping a beefy arm around Garner’s neck as he brought the 350-pound man down. Garner landed on his hands and knees and then onto his side. And, as four other plainclothes cops joined in the fray, Garner was then forced onto his chest and held down on the ground.
Widow Esaw Garner said she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected.
NORMAN Y. LONO FOR NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Widow Esaw Garner said she was relieved that the coroner finally confirmed what she suspected.
“I can't breathe!” Garner could be heard screaming. “I can’t breathe!”
But Pantaleo did not let go. He was seen forcing Garner’s face into the concrete. Four minutes into a seven-minute video clip, four EMTs arrived. But neither they — nor the eight cops standing around as Garner lay on the sidewalk — could be seen trying to help the unconscious man.
One emergency worker checked Garner’s pulse and told the apparently lifeless man that help had arrived. Then the cops and the worker lifted Garner onto a stretcher and he was driven to a Staten Island hospital.
The NYPD’s internal report prepared right after Garner died didn’t mention a chokehold and insisted he had not been in “great distress.”
But the video told a different story.
“As an individual who’s no expert in law enforcement, it looked like a chokehold to me,” de Blasio told reporters after news broke of Garner’s death.
Garner’s mother, Gwen Carr, 65, told The News after his death that she was relieved there were recordings of her son’s last moments.
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Eric Garner and wife Esaw.
“I don’t want him to have died in vain,” she said. “As people see, it’s just a godsend that we have the video. Just look at the tape.”
But PBA president Patrick Lynch cautioned against reading too much into the damning video.
“Videotapes never present all of the facts in a situation,” Lynch said. “They present an isolated period of a police interaction, but never the entire scenario.”
After several people were asphyxiated while in police custody, the NYPD forbade the use of chokeholds in 1983, stating it could only be used when an officer’s life was in danger.
Former Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly banned the use of chokeholds altogether in 1993.
The following year, Bronx resident Anthony Baez, 29, died after Officer Francis Livoti put him in a chokehold after a football he was throwing around with friends hit the cop’s car.
In the wake of Garner’s death, Bratton ordered that the NYPD’s 35,000 officers be retrained in the proper use of force when subduing a suspect.
Also, the four EMTs who apparently did nothing to aid Garner have been banned from responding to calls until the investigation is complete. They are not employed by the Fire Department.
What is wrong with you posting this shit? This is not what the cops and cop sympathizers want to read.......
Go back and find an article by the head of a PBA or something claiming Eric actually died on the walk to the store.....he was just convulsing when he viciously attacked those five poor policemen.....
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31 arrest since the age of 16? Life long criminal who doesn't give a fuck about honest hardworking people and already cost the taxpayers more than likely 100's of thousands of dollars... not to be a Dick but good riddance. Don't even care about his race I wish we had a three violent / sexual felony and your deported / executed law. Put the money towards education system.
Now even in death he'll probably cost taxpayers millions
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It's so simple....Just follow the cops orders...And don't get 150 lbs overweight..
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The media has just begun reporting on the fact that a black female police sergeant by the name of Kizzy Adoni was supervising the arrest. She and another sergeant were given immunity to testify to the grand jury. At no time did she attempt to stop/ adjust the manner of arrest or believe excessive force was being used.
Interesting that this was left out.
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The media has just begun reporting on the fact that a black female police sergeant by the name of Kizzy Adoni was supervising the arrest. She and another sergeant were given immunity to testify to the grand jury. At no time did she attempt to stop/ adjust the manner of arrest or believe excessive force was being used.
Interesting that this was left out.
Interesting but not surprising, Mr. White.
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Why not just comply? The common theme in all these cases is that they are resisting arrest or not complying with officer's demands. Are some cigarettes, or a little weed and some pills, or whatever it may be, worth dying over? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with this shit. For fucks sake, it's common sense. You resist, you're asking for trouble. Plain and simple. That can't be disputed.
Old Blood and Guts speaking the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Flavor of the month. What do socialists do when they want to take over a country. They subdue it with a minutia of carp that they know will keep the attention away from what they are doing behind closed doors. I do not give two shots about cops killing thugs. Who cares. These guys are crooks and resist arrest, they deserved what they got. I don't care what you call it. Screw them black white or brown . Break the law get confronted become defensive and argumentative then resist arrest. Guess what, you did. End of story. Stop breaking the law As.sho.les!!!
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Cop Who Killed Eric Garner been sued three times for allegedly violating constitutional rights
WOW.... the cop that conveniently "forgot" to include the choke hold/submission/whatever you call it -
He strip searched people (including all sorts of genital exam) in busy street in public for no reason, and arrested people on drug charges when no drugs were actually present
LOL and in the SECOND case? yep, public strip searches with plenty of attention on genitals. Sick. No drugs, he just likes to play with people's junk in plain view of others.
The city had to pay for the first lawsuit, and is about to pay for the 2nd. So he has a history of fcking with people on total BS charges. And in this case, they were busting the dead fat guy because he sold cigs A DIFFERENT DAY but they wanted to search him today, right?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/choke-hold-cop-pantaleo-sued/19899461/
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Cop Who Killed Eric Garner been sued three times for allegedly violating constitutional rights
WOW.... the cop that conveniently "forgot" to include the choke hold/submission/whatever you call it -
He strip searched people (including all sorts of genital exam) in busy street in public for no reason, and arrested people on drug charges when no drugs were actually present
LOL and in the SECOND case? yep, public strip searches with plenty of attention on genitals. Sick. No drugs, he just likes to play with people's junk in plain view of others.
The city had to pay for the first lawsuit, and is about to pay for the 2nd. So he has a history of fcking with people on total BS charges. And in this case, they were busting the dead fat guy because he sold cigs A DIFFERENT DAY but they wanted to search him today, right?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/choke-hold-cop-pantaleo-sued/19899461/
Come on now....is that all you have? ;D
Cops or supporters claim the time of death was the only "fact" that matters. They also point to Eric's former arrests as evidence that his life needed to be extinguished.....
If you check further into each of the murdering pig's settlements, it will most likely include a "no culpability" clause on behalf of the police dept. They hardly ever admit to wrongdoing, although that will likely change, as they try to rebuild their image in the eyes of the public.
Too late for that for those who know better.......
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Cop Who Killed Eric Garner been sued three times for allegedly violating constitutional rights
WOW.... the cop that conveniently "forgot" to include the choke hold/submission/whatever you call it -
He strip searched people (including all sorts of genital exam) in busy street in public for no reason, and arrested people on drug charges when no drugs were actually present
LOL and in the SECOND case? yep, public strip searches with plenty of attention on genitals. Sick. No drugs, he just likes to play with people's junk in plain view of others.
The city had to pay for the first lawsuit, and is about to pay for the 2nd. So he has a history of fcking with people on total BS charges. And in this case, they were busting the dead fat guy because he sold cigs A DIFFERENT DAY but they wanted to search him today, right?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/choke-hold-cop-pantaleo-sued/19899461/
Come on 240........ that would be welcome by most Getbiggers.
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Cop Who Killed Eric Garner been sued three times for allegedly violating constitutional rights
WOW.... the cop that conveniently "forgot" to include the choke hold/submission/whatever you call it -
He strip searched people (including all sorts of genital exam) in busy street in public for no reason, and arrested people on drug charges when no drugs were actually present
LOL and in the SECOND case? yep, public strip searches with plenty of attention on genitals. Sick. No drugs, he just likes to play with people's junk in plain view of others.
The city had to pay for the first lawsuit, and is about to pay for the 2nd. So he has a history of fcking with people on total BS charges. And in this case, they were busting the dead fat guy because he sold cigs A DIFFERENT DAY but they wanted to search him today, right?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/choke-hold-cop-pantaleo-sued/19899461/
NY Pro pose down in the middle of the street.
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Why not just comply? The common theme in all these cases is that they are resisting arrest or not complying with officer's demands. Are some cigarettes, or a little weed and some pills, or whatever it may be, worth dying over? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with this shit. For fucks sake, it's common sense. You resist, you're asking for trouble. Plain and simple. That can't be disputed.
I agree 100%. I said something similar in another thread. I wish these guys would stop resisting arrest and scuffling with the cops. He was belligerent and resisting arrest, it's clear on the tape. Even my white ass would be in some jeopardy if I did that.
Something else to think about.
Obama has ordered law enforcement to look the other way when millions of Mexicans break the law and illegally enter this country. Meanwhile, one of his black brothers is getting harassed and arrested for selling loose fucking cigarettes.
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I agree 100%. I said something similar in another thread. I wish these guys would stop resisting arrest and scuffling with the cops. He was belligerent and resisting arrest, it's clear on the tape. Even my white ass would be in some jeopardy if I did that.
Something else to think about.
Obama has ordered law enforcement to look the other way when millions of Mexicans break the law and illegally enter this country. Meanwhile, one of his black brothers is getting harassed and arrested for selling loose fucking cigarettes.
where did you read that?...the twilight zone???
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ya gotta admit... when obama tells the police to round up Republicans and put them into re-education camps, it's great that so many repubs will have that "Obey police at all times, ours is not to disagree or question."
It's cute when they scream about govt overthrow and Civil War II, then revert to "hey, if a cop wants to do an illegal testicle search for a misdemeanor ciggie offense based on suspicion from earlier in the week, you better obey or you deserve to be shot!"
I mean, be a badass, or be a total wussy. Don't be both.
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ya gotta admit... when obama tells the police to round up Republicans and put them into re-education camps, it's great that so many repubs will have that "Obey police at all times, ours is not to disagree or question."
It's cute when they scream about govt overthrow and Civil War II, then revert to "hey, if a cop wants to do an illegal testicle search for a misdemeanor ciggie offense based on suspicion from earlier in the week, you better obey or you deserve to be shot!"
I mean, be a badass, or be a total wussy. Don't be both.
You are a very even keeled dude. Seriously.
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ya gotta admit... when obama tells the police to round up Republicans and put them into re-education camps, it's great that so many repubs will have that "Obey police at all times, ours is not to disagree or question."
It's cute when they scream about govt overthrow and Civil War II, then revert to "hey, if a cop wants to do an illegal testicle search for a misdemeanor ciggie offense based on suspicion from earlier in the week, you better obey or you deserve to be shot!"
I mean, be a badass, or be a total wussy. Don't be both.
I believe he would have to use National Guard or military as he doesn't have authority over city/ county / state police and even then he only has so much power. No way citizens or even most in the military would follow orders to be put in a dictatorship type leadership.
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ya gotta admit... when obama tells the police to round up Republicans and put them into re-education camps, it's great that so many repubs will have that ]"Obey police at all times, ours is not to disagree or question."
It's cute when they scream about govt overthrow and Civil War II, then revert to "hey, if a cop wants to do an illegal testicle search for a misdemeanor ciggie offense based on suspicion from earlier in the week, you better obey or you deserve to be shot!"
I mean, be a badass, or be a total wussy. Don't be both.
That's not what they are saying. Again, you blow something way out of proportion and take it to its most illogical extreme. What they are saying is if a cop approaches you be reasonable. Don't invite trouble by being belligerent, attacking cops or resisting arrest.
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I believe he would have to use National Guard or military as he doesn't have authority over city/ county / state police and even then he only has so much power. No way citizens or even most in the military would follow orders to be put in a dictatorship type leadership.
But doesn't it seem weird how they're talking? I mean, this is a cop who has been sued REPEATEDLY for making people strip naked in busy areas and fondling their genitals, and the NYPD has PAID.
Imagine if some cop with a history of this, decides I did something last week, some misdemeanor... so he tells big bald repub getbigger to drop his trousers at Times Square so he can ball search him? WTF is that?
I wonder if that same big bald dude would be saying "If you don't obey a cop, you deserve to die..." ???
If I'm not selling cigs, but some idiot pervert cop decides to ballslap me because he thinks I MIGHT be selling loose ciggs? I might just tell him to eat a dick. At the very LEAST, I'm talking a lot of shit - because i'm angry and this isn't right - and yelling so I get lots of cameras as he abuses me like this. And you talk shit, suddenly you're fighting with 5 pricks on top of you and voila, suddenly you deserve to die? It's not right.
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People are being slowly conditioned to having the police do what ever they like and it's working out quite well for them.
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People are being slowly conditioned to having the police do what ever they like and it's working out quite well for them.
And I think people are being slowly conditioned to view the police as the bad guys.. guys it all depends on perspective
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But doesn't it seem weird how they're talking? I mean, this is a cop who has been sued REPEATEDLY for making people strip naked in busy areas and fondling their genitals, and the NYPD has PAID.
Imagine if some cop with a history of this, decides I did something last week, some misdemeanor... so he tells big bald repub getbigger to drop his trousers at Times Square so he can ball search him? WTF is that?
I wonder if that same big bald dude would be saying "If you don't obey a cop, you deserve to die..." ???
If I'm not selling cigs, but some idiot pervert cop decides to ballslap me because he thinks I MIGHT be selling loose ciggs? I might just tell him to eat a dick. At the very LEAST, I'm talking a lot of shit - because i'm angry and this isn't right - and yelling so I get lots of cameras as he abuses me like this. And you talk shit, suddenly you're fighting with 5 pricks on top of you and voila, suddenly you deserve to die? It's not right.
here is the problem in a nutshell.. you want to equate physically resisting arrest, which Garner did.. with talking shit. Two totally different things. I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've arrested or observed being arrested that talked shit.. and the arrest was uneventful. I think you are having trouble seeing the difference between talking shit and actively resisting which is what happened in this particular case whether you accept it or not
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here is the problem in a nutshell.. you want to equate physically resisting arrest, which Garner did.. with talking shit. Two totally different things. I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've arrested or observed being arrested that talked shit.. and the arrest was uneventful. I think you are having trouble seeing the difference between talking shit and actively resisting which is what happened in this particular case whether you accept it or not
I guess I think that given ten arrest.... in 2 of them, ,the suspect talking trash would result in the cop using extra force or violating rights in some way.
At least two. You sound like a decent poster and NOT a dick or racist or bully or insecure punk. But some cops really are.
I've been stopped maybe 10 times in my life. I'm always respectful. Only ONCE did the punk ass cop - I remember her name so clearly - she threated a poor college kid with a seatbelt ticket because I tried to explain why I ran the red light. (under construction lane, middle of night, i'd been sitting there for 5+ minutes and no change. She was sitting in dark waiting for me to run it). AND MY SEATBELT WAS ON!
Two months later, she actually won a local award for something - most outstanding amount of tickets, something like that. ANyway, they threatened my poor ass with a false ticket for trying to speak. Fck that. To this day, I hate her guts, and I want ANY cop that lies about ANYTHING to lose that badge.
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I guess I think that given ten arrest.... in 2 of them, ,the suspect talking trash would result in the cop using extra force or violating rights in some way.
At least two. You sound like a decent poster and NOT a dick or racist or bully or insecure punk. But some cops really are.
I've been stopped maybe 10 times in my life. I'm always respectful. Only ONCE did the punk ass cop - I remember her name so clearly - she threated a poor college kid with a seatbelt ticket because I tried to explain why I ran the red light. (under construction lane, middle of night, i'd been sitting there for 5+ minutes and no change. She was sitting in dark waiting for me to run it). AND MY SEATBELT WAS ON!
Two months later, she actually won a local award for something - most outstanding amount of tickets, something like that. ANyway, they threatened my poor ass with a false ticket for trying to speak. Fck that. To this day, I hate her guts, and I want ANY cop that lies about ANYTHING to lose that badge.
You didn't get a ticket. And you didn't get shot.
I'd say that's a win/win.
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here is the problem in a nutshell.. you want to equate physically resisting arrest, which Garner did.. with talking shit. Two totally different things. I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've arrested or observed being arrested that talked shit.. and the arrest was uneventful. I think you are having trouble seeing the difference between talking shit and actively resisting which is what happened in this particular case whether you accept it or not
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its almost impossible to restrain someone who is large and strong and resisting
without injuring them or without four or five people to control them
it always looks bad because of the number
but if it was one officer on him they would quickly have to escalate their force options for their own safety
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You didn't get a ticket. And you didn't get shot.
I'd say that's a win/win.
Oh I still got the red light ticket. which was crap... under construction, back 19 years... the scale didn't feel my car and I was trapped. She was waiting for me to run it, parked in a field. Afte 5+ minutes, in middle of night, with zero cars around, I ran it, and BOOM she gave me the red light ticket.
She threatened an ADDITIONAL ticket when I tried to talk to explain. "Another word, and I'll give you a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt", as she pointed at my seatbelt (which was on) with a smirk.
She is a horrible person, in my opinion, and the worst kind of cop. Now, if I'm still smarting about that 20 years later... I can certainly imagine getting an ass-whooping from police would create animosity that could last a lifetime.
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I'll say it again. The cops exist for one purpose. TO PROTECT THE BANKS AND RICH FROM THE POOR.
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its almost impossible to restrain someone who is large and strong and resisting
without injuring them or without four or five people to control them
it always looks bad because of the number
but if it was one officer on him they would quickly have to escalate their force options for their own safety
Exactly. I've said it before, I'd rather have 5 officers arrest me than one. People always ask "Why did it take 4 officers to arrest that one guy?" and the reason is, because 1. We didn't want to get hurt doing it and 2. we didn't want to hurt them doing it. In the Garner case, i really don't have huge problem with the tactics. Unlike TA I wish they had a Taser because there would have likely been less chance of injury to either party, and I wish he hadn't kept the neck hold after bringing him to the ground, but I don't believe that caused his death. I DO wish they would have handled the situation better once he was in cuffs and in distress. But what I really wish is that he would have obeyed their commands to begin with.
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I'll say it again. The cops exist for one purpose. TO PROTECT THE BANKS AND RICH FROM THE POOR.
Somebodies gotta do it
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Not a doctor, but jumping rope is probably not advisable for one with respiratory issues.
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Having your cock squeeze by a male cop isn't fun.
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THE SOLUTION TO POLICE BRUTALITY FROM THE YOTUBE FITNESS MORON JASON BLAHA !!! :D
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And I think people are being slowly conditioned to view the police as the bad guys.. guys it all depends on perspective
The view they have is because of their (the police) actions. It's win at all cost. This guy never even threw a punch. Once on the ground it's over but even when he said he couldn't breath they didn't let up.
Run from a cop even if it's because of a speeding ticket they will and can shoot you in the back and they will get away with it. Its' resist arrest and die in the good old U.S. and "the people" will most likely say, well he shouldn't have resisted so he got what he deserved. That's the conditioning part.
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But what's the point of resisting arrest in a situation like his? Is there a point where they're expected to go 'ok, he put up a good enough fight, let him go'? You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.
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Exactly. I've said it before, I'd rather have 5 officers arrest me than one. People always ask "Why did it take 4 officers to arrest that one guy?" and the reason is, because 1. We didn't want to get hurt doing it and 2. we didn't want to hurt them doing it. In the Garner case, i really don't have huge problem with the tactics. Unlike TA I wish they had a Taser because there would have likely been less chance of injury to either party, and I wish he hadn't kept the neck hold after bringing him to the ground, but I don't believe that caused his death. I DO wish they would have handled the situation better once he was in cuffs and in distress. But what I really wish is that he would have obeyed their commands to begin with.
Yes of course Always OBEY Police COMMANDS.
As They are Clearly Superior Beings & Should Never
Ever Be Questioned or Challenged.
Why can't us mere Public Understand This.
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The cops showed up because the store owner had called in a complaint. He should have obeyed their commands. They simply would have written an appearance ticket. He could have gone to court and pleaded his case. Cops can arrest you or write you a ticket for anything. It doesn't matter because you have the right to go to court. I've gotten parking tickets thrown out because the cop was wrong.
Is the system perfect? no. Are cops perfect? no. But until you come up with a better solution, it's the best we have.
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Big Mike BROWN STOMPS 70 year old man!
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Yes of course Always OBEY Police COMMANDS.
As They are Clearly Superior Beings & Should Never
Ever Be Questioned or Challenged.
Why can't us mere Public Understand This.
Exactly! And if you disagree with the cop, the street isnt the place to argue it, nor is physically avoiding arrest. That is for the courts. If people understood this, life would be much better for both groups..
(I know you were being sarcastic)
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Big Mike BROWN STOMPS 70 year old man!
doubt it
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Having your cock squeeze by a male cop isn't fun.
I used to feel that way. Then I met the right cop.
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I used to feel that way. Then I met the right cop.
Don't taze me, Bro.
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Don't taze me, Bro.
people have been using tasers the wrong way. they can be comforting and loving, in the right hands.
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we wouldn't have any of these problems if the population was implanted with a stimoceiver device
technology has come a long way, yes I'm sure this is the solution
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Not a doctor, but jumping rope is probably not advisable for one with respiratory issues.
He should be wearing a shirt that says "I can't think"...
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I used to feel that way. Then I met the right cop.
female cop ???
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This dumb
honky liberal was at an Eric Garner protest in Berkeley, CA wearing a shirt that said "Cops: Stop Killing Black Men". A Hebrew hit him in the head with a hammer ;D.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Berkeley-California-Hippie-Smashed-By-Nigs.jpg?resize=480%2C320)
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This dumb honky liberal was at an Eric Garner protest in Berkeley, CA wearing a shirt that said "Police: Stop Killing Black Men". A Hebrew hit him in the head with a hammer ;D.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Berkeley-California-Hippie-Smashed-By-Nigs.jpg?resize=480%2C320)
Fantastic. Fuck this deluded targetface.
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His milk is in tact though... he won't miss his anabolic window in the ER. Keep it BB related.
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Two cops ambushed in Brooklyn today, one dead and the other gravelly wounded. The shooter is dead of a self-inflicted GSW.
Two New York City police officers were shot as they sat in their patrol car in Brooklyn, police said.
The ambush took place about 3 p.m. in the borough's Bedford Stuyvesant neighborhood, according to preliminary reports.
A lone gunman walked up to the vehicle parked outside the the Tompkins Houses, near Myrtle and Tompkins avenues, and started "pumping bullets" into it, the New York Post reports.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5U4eqGCYAAlU4p.jpg)
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Two cops ambushed in Brooklyn today, one dead and the other gravelly wounded. The shooter is dead of a self-inflicted GSW.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5U4eqGCYAAlU4p.jpg)
The New York Post is saying both cops are dead :-\
http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/
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(http://i.imgur.com/3XWwAOV.jpg)
Let's see how much airtime this gets...
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Just heard 1 Latin officer, 1 Asian.
They should just sit on their hands and let certain neighbourhoods rot.
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Just heard 1 Latin officer, 1 Asian.
They should just sit on their hands and let certain neighbourhoods rot.
Bobble head Sharpton will be sure to console the family of the shooter then obama will say what a tragedy it was.
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At least the asshole killed himself
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Bobble head Sharpton will be sure to console the family of the shooter then obama will say what a tragedy it was.
I hope there's no blow back from the asian and latino community. after all, blacks are the real victim here ::) If I remember my p.c. correctly... whites are not allowed to back lash... but said communities are ;D :-*
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This dumb honky liberal was at an Eric Garner protest in Berkeley, CA wearing a shirt that said "Cops: Stop Killing Black Men". A Hebrew hit him in the head with a hammer ;D.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Berkeley-California-Hippie-Smashed-By-Nigs.jpg?resize=480%2C320)
The idiot was too stupid to realize that he was on the same side lol ::) A true "white racist" would have beat him with a bat!!! lol
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Bobble head Sharpton will be sure to console the family of the shooter then obama will say what a tragedy it was.
oh brother ::)
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Crime doesn't warrant the punishment.
What kind of person, color, or whatever Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner was, it doesn't matter. They are Americans, and they are people. That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
A few conservatives dont think blacks are citizens of America
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A few conservatives dont think blacks are citizens of America
Obama is not a citizen of the USa - he is from Kenya remember?
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Obama is not a citizen of the USa - he is from Kenya remember?
and a Muslim....don't forget that
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and a Muslim....don't forget that
And a gay communist ex drug addict - although that is debateable. F him
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This dumb honky liberal was at an Eric Garner protest in Berkeley, CA wearing a shirt that said "Cops: Stop Killing Black Men". A Hebrew hit him in the head with a hammer ;D.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Berkeley-California-Hippie-Smashed-By-Nigs.jpg?resize=480%2C320)
oh geez
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Crime doesn't warrant the punishment.
What kind of person, color, or whatever Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner was, it doesn't matter. They are Americans, and they are people. That should mean something, especially to the Conservatives among us here.
mike brown fought with a police officer, tried to take his gun and rushed back toward him, sorry he deserved what he got.
Trayvon Martin beat a civilian and supposedly reached for his gun, he got what he deserved
Eric Garner resisted arrest both verbally and physically and was physically detained, which is what you deserve if you do those things. You cant put garner in the same realm as brown/martin as his death was not intentional.
All their deaths are regrettable as they are humans as is the life the led and the decisions they made to bring them to that point.
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mike brown fought with a police officer, tried to take his gun and rushed back toward him, sorry he deserved what he got.
Trayvon Martin beat a civilian and supposedly reached for his gun, he got what he deserved
Eric Garner resisted arrest both verbally and physically and was physically detained, which is what you deserve if you do those things. You cant put garner in the same realm as brown/martin as his death was not intentional.
All their deaths are regrettable as they are humans as is the life the led and the decisions they made to bring them to that point.
Notice how all three were tax sponges?
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another shooting in LA reported - 2 cops fired upon, injured but not killed. one man caught, one on the loose.
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another shooting in LA reported - 2 cops fired upon, injured but not killed. one man caught, one on the loose.
Any idea on the footage? Not film, I mean, but feet.
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mike brown fought with a police officer, tried to take his gun and rushed back toward him, sorry he deserved what he got.
Trayvon Martin beat a civilian and supposedly reached for his gun, he got what he deserved
Eric Garner resisted arrest both verbally and physically and was physically detained, which is what you deserve if you do those things. You cant put garner in the same realm as brown/martin as his death was not intentional.
All their deaths are regrettable as they are humans as is the life the led and the decisions they made to bring them to that point.
I do feel bad for Trayvon. The civilian that was supposedly beaten was chasing Trayvon in the dark for no reason. A 911 operator even told the civilian to not pursue Trayvon. The civilian went out of his way to create the violence that ensued.
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I do feel bad for Trayvon. The civilian that was supposedly beaten was chasing Trayvon in the dark for no reason. A 911 operator even told the civilian to not pursue Trayvon. The civilian went out of his way to create the violence that ensued.
And we still do not know who threw the fist punch here. Everyone involved in that aspect of it was shot dead, or an admitted liar. We don't know if MMA-trained Zimmerman with a gun and 50 pounds of size attempted to "take down" and hold the kid that ran from him, in order to hold him for the police.
Zero evidence either way on that one. Jurors said they wanted to charge him with SOMETHING, but FL law and the greedy prosecutor made it a murder-or-nothing case, and it really wasn't murder, just an over-aggressive MMA wannabe with a gun chasing an unarmed minor who, no matter what you think of him, wasn't committing any crime.
if you step back - adult chases kid two blocks, they fight, kid gets shot... and the ONLY evidence that trayvon started the fight was the word of the man who killed him? Very flimsy there.
If you chase someone 2 blocks in dark with a gun in FL, the person being chased has every right to pull their own gun. Trayvon could have laid down and put 5 bullets into the armed MMA bully who had chased him for 2 blocks for no reason, and in Florida, probably would have walked because he feared for his life. I guarantee, some MMA fighter chases me 2 blocks and he isn't a cop, and he has a 9mm, there isn't much of a conversation to be had when he finally corners me. :-[ Of course trayvon was scared, fat armed MMA trained bully chased him down for no reason.
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I do feel bad for Trayvon. The civilian that was supposedly beaten was chasing Trayvon in the dark for no reason. A 911 operator even told the civilian to not pursue Trayvon. The civilian went out of his way to create the violence that ensued.
Shit, guess I am racist. I think he's where he should be.
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I do feel bad for Trayvon. The civilian that was supposedly beaten was chasing Trayvon in the dark for no reason. A 911 operator even told the civilian to not pursue Trayvon. The civilian went out of his way to create the violence that ensued.
I can agree with that, but I would have approached the guy if I felt he was watching me and politely asked if he needed help. I wouldnt have run away as if I did something wrong. Trayvon was a kid and a series of unfortunate events led to his death. That being said he wasnt on the road to being a productive member of society as it was.
I also feel bad for Garner, I mean come on now even if he was selling smokes, who the fuck cares? but you dont resist arrest.
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I can agree with that, but I would have approached the guy if I felt he was watching me and politely asked if he needed help. I wouldnt have run away as if I did something wrong. Trayvon was a kid and a series of unfortunate events led to his death. That being said he wasnt on the road to being a productive member of society as it was.
I also feel bad for Garner as come one now even if he was selling smokes, who the fuck cares? but you dont resist arrest.
We don't know who threw the first punch with Trayvon. Zimmerman said he did, but zimm's own lawyer admitted he lied about a lot of things in his case.
Tony, we disagree here - You wouldn't have run away from a man 50 pounds bigger than you, jumping out of a truck, with a weapon? Maybe he saw the gun, maybe he didn't, but on a fat fck like zimmerman, an IWB front 9mm while running isn't easy to hide - ever tried it? lol
Tony, you're a skilled fighter, you're pushing 30, and you wouldn't get into fight mode if someone jumped out of a truck and started chasing you. I get it. I disagree, I'd be in flight mode just to avoid the unknown - if its' not a cop (who yell police), there is no good that comes from him leaving truck to chase me thru yards.
There's NO reason for trayvon to think a fat man jumping from truck and running after him could lead to ANY good. honestly, tony, I don't think you can list 3 "positive" outcomes that trayvon would expect from a dude with a 9mm bulge jumping out of truck and giving chase. "Hey, you dropped this $100 bill" or "Hey, do you wanna bang my sister?"
No, step back tony - there is ZERO possible good that trayvon - or even YOU - could even hypothesize why fat MMA fighter with bulge exits truck and gives chase after staring at him as he walked past. NO possible good outcome> List it, please? "I need directions" sure as fck doesn't suffice, in this day of mapquest phones. Leaving truck, HUGE, and you're nuts if you would just smile and wave at a dude doing that to you, fighting skills or not.
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I can agree with that, but I would have approached the guy if I felt he was watching me and politely asked if he needed help. I wouldnt have run away as if I did something wrong. Trayvon was a kid and a series of unfortunate events led to his death. That being said he wasnt on the road to being a productive member of society as it was.
I also feel bad for Garner as come one now even if he was selling smokes, who the fuck cares? but you dont resist arrest.
Garner would've been charged with something very minor... he should have never debated with the cops. But I'm sure that everyone that was involved wishes that they had done things differently. Unintentional death.
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We don't know who threw the first punch with Trayvon. Zimmerman said he did, but zimm's own lawyer admitted he lied about a lot of things in his case.
Tony, we disagree here - You wouldn't have run away from a man 50 pounds bigger than you, jumping out of a truck, with a weapon? Maybe he saw the gun, maybe he didn't, but on a fat fck like zimmerman, an IWB front 9mm while running isn't easy to hide - ever tried it? lol
Tony, you're a skilled fighter, you're pushing 30, and you wouldn't get into fight mode if someone jumped out of a truck and started chasing you. I get it. I disagree, I'd be in flight mode just to avoid the unknown - if its' not a cop (who yell police), there is no good that comes from him leaving truck to chase me thru yards.
There's NO reason for trayvon to think a fat man jumping from truck and running after him could lead to ANY good. honestly, tony, I don't think you can list 3 "positive" outcomes that trayvon would expect from a dude with a 9mm bulge jumping out of truck and giving chase. "Hey, you dropped this $100 bill" or "Hey, do you wanna bang my sister?"
No, step back tony - there is ZERO possible good that trayvon - or even YOU - could even hypothesize why fat MMA fighter with bulge exits truck and gives chase after staring at him as he walked past. NO possible good outcome> List it, please? "I need directions" sure as fck doesn't suffice, in this day of mapquest phones. Leaving truck, HUGE, and you're nuts if you would just smile and wave at a dude doing that to you, fighting skills or not.
you dont have to know how to handle yourself in a fight to have been taught that violence is a last resort. You also dont have to be taught that even if youre not doing anything wrong, running is probably going to make you look guilty.
Martin ran before zimmerman got out of the truck. Youve done this for over a year now, you make up shit like this or trayvon knew he had a gun before the encounter etc. to fit your stupid CT.
Sorry dummy Im not going to play that game tonight
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Garner would've been charged with something very minor... he should have never debated with the cops. But I'm sure that everyone that was involved wishes that they had done things differently. Unintentional death.
completely agree on all accounts, like I have always said if you have an issue with the police the time and place to bring it up isnt when they are trying to arrest you.
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you dont have to know how to handle yourself in a fight to have been taught that violence is a last resort. You also dont have to be taught that even if youre not doing anything wrong, running is probably going to make you look guilty.
Martin ran before zimmerman got out of the truck. Youve done this for over a year now, you make up shit like this or trayvon knew he had a gun before the encounter etc. to fit your stupid CT.
Sorry dummy Im not going to play that game tonight
Martin ran after zimmerman pulled up in a truck, eyeball fucked him while calling someone and staring him down. "he's just standing there".
Martin had every right to run - I could encourage ANY unarmed person who becomes the focus of "visual staredown" by someone much older and larger - to get the fck out of there. Don't sit around and wait for whatever creepiness this man has in mind. No good comes from this.
Martin ran. 100% his right. He didn't make anyone feel scared, he just felt 'off' and got outta there.
ZImmerman was the one that gave chase. To a minor. With a gun, seen or unseen, but sure hard to hide IWB front 9mm.
"He's getting away" indicates trayvon, who did nothing but run, was trying to remove himself from a confrontation. Zimmerman exiting truck and giving multiple reasons why he chased someone 2 blocks... yikes...
Anyway, yes, if I'm at a bus stop and someone pulls up in truck and eyeball fcks me, I probably will bail out of there. Standing at the bus stop with a smile when creepy ass non-cop measures you up is a sure way to catch a fcking bullet to be honest. Violence wasn't the first reaction for Trayvon - or he would have fought there, silly! Fleeing was his first resort. Smart move.
smart people don't stand at a bus stop when armed creepy MMA fighter pulls up, stops, and eyeball fcks/studies them. They get out of there. Cause no good can come of that.
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Martin ran after zimmerman pulled up in a truck, eyeball fucked him while calling someone and staring him down. "he's just standing there".
Martin had every right to run - I could encourage ANY unarmed person who becomes the focus of "visual staredown" by someone much older and larger - to get the fck out of there. Don't sit around and wait for whatever creepiness this man has in mind. No good comes from this.
Martin ran. 100% his right. He didn't make anyone feel scared, he just felt 'off' and got outta there.
ZImmerman was the one that gave chase. To a minor. With a gun, seen or unseen, but sure hard to hide IWB front 9mm.
"He's getting away" indicates trayvon, who did nothing but run, was trying to remove himself from a confrontation. Zimmerman exiting truck and giving multiple reasons why he chased someone 2 blocks... yikes...
Anyway, yes, if I'm at a bus stop and someone pulls up in truck and eyeball fcks me, I probably will bail out of there. Standing at the bus stop with a smile when creepy ass non-cop measures you up is a sure way to catch a fcking bullet to be honest. Violence wasn't the first reaction for Trayvon - or he would have fought there, silly! Fleeing was his first resort. Smart move.
smart people don't stand at a bus stop when armed creepy MMA fighter pulls up, stops, and eyeball fcks/studies them. They get out of there. Cause no good can come of that.
Martin was 100% within his rights, so was zimmerman...end of story...
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Martin was 100% within his rights, so was zimmerman...end of story...
Zimmerman made martin fear for his safety.
Facts are facts - he was an armed MMA-trained man, ten year older, staring down then chasing an unarmed minor.
Any teenager would be scared of that.
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Zimmerman made martin fear for his safety.
Facts are facts - he was an armed MMA-trained man, ten year older, staring down then chasing an unarmed minor.
Any teenager would be scared of that.
How many feet were involved?
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How many feet were involved?
;D
(http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-timing.jpg)
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Zimmerman made martin fear for his safety.
Facts are facts - he was an armed MMA-trained man, ten year older, staring down then chasing an unarmed minor.
Any teenager would be scared of that.
and none of what you said is illegal, end of story
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and none of what you said is illegal, end of story
An old lady can shoot a bodybuilder that runs upon her but never touches her - IF she fears one blow from him will kill her, she has a weak heart, etc.
Trayvon could have used a weapon to protect himself if he felt death from injury was immanent (I'd say an MMA fighter with a 9mm suffices there). Trayvon would have been exhausted and scared after running two blocks. Finally found cornered in his hiding spot by the armed MMA fighter... what else could he have done?
Trayvon could have killed zimmerman with a very lucky punch, and he could have walked just as easily. The law is so vague and you really had two idiots here.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/03/nypd-chokehold-cop-not-indicted-in-death
Fuckin' guy was selling single cigs in NYC which is illegal because of tax revenue collection. The cop kills him with a chokehold and there's FUCKING VIDEO OF IT. A chokehold is prohibited by the NYPD and the cop gets off. No indictment.
The reason that progs WON'T flock to this? Because it might shine a light on the stupid fucking taxation policies of one of their liberal havens.
O PLEASE!!!!!
WAKE UP.
This gets coverage because it is an ENGINEERED EVENT.
Of course THEY don't want WORTHWHILE PROTESTS because that would actually cause change.
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People need to understand that the choke hold being "prohibited" or against the NYPD policy is 100% irrelevant.
It is just a policy within their organization, it is not legally binding. He will likely get disciplined at work for utilizing it, but it had no bearing on whether or not anyone was getting indicted.
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mike brown fought with a police officer, tried to take his gun and rushed back toward him, sorry he deserved what he got.
Trayvon Martin beat a civilian and supposedly reached for his gun, he got what he deserved
Eric Garner resisted arrest both verbally and physically and was physically detained, which is what you deserve if you do those things. You cant put garner in the same realm as brown/martin as his death was not intentional.
All their deaths are regrettable as they are humans as is the life the led and the decisions they made to bring them to that point.
It's really weird that you constantly bring up "where's the evidence" in cases like this yet you believe the cop's word and Zimmerman's word when Brown and Trayvon are both dead....Believe me, cops lie OFTEN.....how many times has video tape come out later showing that the cop did not take the actions that he said he did in the police report??????.....as for Trayvon...you would rather believe a guy who admittedly STALKED Trayvon...then confronted him with a piece after Trayvon tried to defend himself against someone who confronted him, was armed, and had no right whatsoever to stop and harrass him in the first place....and was an ADULT at that....yet you readily believe Zimmerman's word about him being attacked by Trayvon
Also, just for your information, I've been on juries before in which ther is police action....the Judge gives instructions that you are NOT to infer in any way that the cop that is testifying is more credible than the defendent....each person's testimony holds equal weight in a court of law
I know this is a waste of time because I have NEVER seen you EVEN ONCE admit you were wrong about ANYTHING...but just putting it out there
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I can agree with that, but I would have approached the guy if I felt he was watching me and politely asked if he needed help. I wouldnt have run away as if I did something wrong. Trayvon was a kid and a series of unfortunate events led to his death. That being said he wasnt on the road to being a productive member of society as it was.
I also feel bad for Garner, I mean come on now even if he was selling smokes, who the fuck cares? but you dont resist arrest.
first of all, oh brave one, Trayvon DID ask Zimmerdumb "why are you following me"....how much more polite can you be in a circumstance where it appears you are being stalked??????....If he did in fact run, isn't this NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a guy (especially a kid) being STALKED??????..and then for you to say "he wasn't on the road to being a productive member of society", I'm glad you have a Crystal Ball oh wise one, and can see the future....people get in trouble all the time and rise above it....ask Jay Z, Justin Bieber, Mark Wahlberg...etc etc
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An old lady can shoot a bodybuilder that runs upon her but never touches her - IF she fears one blow from him will kill her, she has a weak heart, etc.
Trayvon could have used a weapon to protect himself if he felt death from injury was immanent (I'd say an MMA fighter with a 9mm suffices there). Trayvon would have been exhausted and scared after running two blocks. Finally found cornered in his hiding spot by the armed MMA fighter... what else could he have done?
Trayvon could have killed zimmerman with a very lucky punch, and he could have walked just as easily. The law is so vague and you really had two idiots here.
I disagree that trayvon was an idiot....all he was doing was walking down the street......
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how many times has video tape come out later showing that the cop did not take the actions that he said he did in the police report??????
EXACTLY!
I'm not pitying the victim in these cases. Rather, I want punishment for cops that lie.
Locally, we had a guy about to go to prison for "assault on LEO, reaching for his gun". home security video showed the dude was curled up in a ball while the cops kicked shit out of him.
He was going to prison for almost a decade, they were pushing him to plea. Suddenly, video emerges, they drop charges on him. Now, the cops that almost sent him away? ZERO punishment. They just move on to the next day, to do it again and frame someone else.
and some people on getbig say that kind of behavior is okay IF the person being framed/lied abouot is a piece of shit. Totally not cool. One day, it'll be THEIR kid at a party, with 2 beers in them, making the wrong comment and a cop hears it... and VOILA, your kid gets 8 years in prison for assault on a cop, when all he/she did was take an ass-whooping. You're totally right - cops lie a lot and never get in trouble for it.
Cops lied in both the brown & garner case. THAT is my beef, not the victim stuff.
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EXACTLY!
I'm not pitying the victim in these cases. Rather, I want punishment for cops that lie.
Locally, we had a guy about to go to prison for "assault on LEO, reaching for his gun". home security video showed the dude was curled up in a ball while the cops kicked shit out of him.
He was going to prison for almost a decade, they were pushing him to plea. Suddenly, video emerges, they drop charges on him. Now, the cops that almost sent him away? ZERO punishment. They just move on to the next day, to do it again and frame someone else.
and some people on getbig say that kind of behavior is okay IF the person being framed/lied abouot is a piece of shit. Totally not cool. One day, it'll be THEIR kid at a party, with 2 beers in them, making the wrong comment and a cop hears it... and VOILA, your kid gets 8 years in prison for assault on a cop, when all he/she did was take an ass-whooping. You're totally right - cops lie a lot and never get in trouble for it.
Cops lied in both the brown & garner case. THAT is my beef, not the victim stuff.
Agreed,.....on all of your points.....
"an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere"....famous quote usually found engraved on various courthouses, etc
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I'm not pitying the victim in these cases. Rather, I want punishment for cops that lie.
Locally, we had a guy about to go to prison for "assault on LEO, reaching for his gun". home security video showed the dude was curled up in a ball while the cops kicked shit out of him.
He was going to prison for almost a decade, they were pushing him to plea. Suddenly, video emerges, they drop charges on him. Now, the cops that almost sent him away? ZERO punishment. They just move on to the next day, to do it again and frame someone else.
and some people on getbig say that kind of behavior is okay IF the person being framed/lied abouot is a piece of shit. Totally not cool. One day, it'll be THEIR kid at a party, with 2 beers in them, making the wrong comment and a cop hears it... and VOILA, your kid gets 8 years in prison for assault on a cop, when all he/she did was take an ass-whooping. You're totally right - cops lie a lot and never get in trouble for it.
Cops lied in both the brown & garner case. THAT is my beef, not the victim stuff.
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You make excellent points.
Sadly some people on here do not want know or Believe that cops
Lie, cheat, & frame people.
Not all cops do this.
What is a wrong act is a wrong act wether it be scumbag civilian or scumbag cop etc.
It is painfully wrong when these cops are caught out lying, cheating etc & then walk away
From any charges.
Totally wrong by those who allow this to happen.
Results in a general lack of respect & confidence in police & justice.
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O PLEASE!!!!!
WAKE UP.
This gets coverage because it is an ENGINEERED EVENT.
Of course THEY don't want WORTHWHILE PROTESTS because that would actually cause change.
Just kill yourself already.
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You make excellent points.
Sadly some people on here do not want know or Believe that cops
Lie, cheat, & frame people.
Not all cops do this.
What is a wrong act is a wrong act wether it be scumbag civilian or scumbag cop etc.
It is painfully wrong when these cops are caught out lying, cheating etc & then walk away
From any charges.
Totally wrong by those who allow this to happen.
Results in a general lack of respect & confidence in police & justice.
Since the shootings happened, my local PD has had daily community outreach programs.
Everyone in FL has guns, and they don't want this shit happening here. I htink it's an excellent move.
IMHO, the REAL change in this hatred for cops will come when GOOD COPS start TESTIFYING against BAD COPS. When good cops say "you know what, I'm tired of having angry people take shots at me because .001% of us cops are breaking the rules and abusing people - I'm going to start reporting officer misconduct".
isnt' it crazy that we can all readily admit that most cops would never dream of reporting other officer misconduct? See a cop whip a kid's ass, if there's no camera, there is NO WAY his partner will file a report on it. So sad. And it angers people. Doesn't justify the shootings, but explains why people do it. Cops need to start calling out the bad egg cops.
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Since the shootings happened, my local PD has had daily community outreach programs.
Everyone in FL has guns, and they don't want this shit happening here. I htink it's an excellent move.
IMHO, the REAL change in this hatred for cops will come when GOOD COPS start TESTIFYING against BAD COPS. When good cops say "you know what, I'm tired of having angry people take shots at me because .001% of us cops are breaking the rules and abusing people - I'm going to start reporting officer misconduct".
isnt' it crazy that we can all readily admit that most cops would never dream of reporting other officer misconduct? See a cop whip a kid's ass, if there's no camera, there is NO WAY his partner will file a report on it. So sad. And it angers people. Doesn't justify the shootings, but explains why people do it. Cops need to start calling out the bad egg cops.
Yes cops do need to speak out against the Bad ones.
And when The Bad Cops Are Caught or Exposed They should be severely Punished
As it an abuse of the trust & power given to them.
If they were strongly Punished it would send a very clear message to them.
And help to restore public faith & trust.
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EXACTLY!
I'm not pitying the victim in these cases. Rather, I want punishment for cops that lie.
Locally, we had a guy about to go to prison for "assault on LEO, reaching for his gun". home security video showed the dude was curled up in a ball while the cops kicked shit out of him.
He was going to prison for almost a decade, they were pushing him to plea. Suddenly, video emerges, they drop charges on him. Now, the cops that almost sent him away? ZERO punishment. They just move on to the next day, to do it again and frame someone else.
and some people on getbig say that kind of behavior is okay IF the person being framed/lied about is a piece of shit. Totally not cool. One day, it'll be THEIR kid at a party, with 2 beers in them, making the wrong comment and a cop hears it... and VOILA, your kid gets 8 years in prison for assault on a cop, when all he/she did was take an ass-whooping. You're totally right - cops lie a lot and never get in trouble for it.
Cops lied in both the brown & garner case. THAT is my beef, not the victim stuff.
I agree with you that if cops are shown to be clearly lying they need to be charged with falsifying a government document then fired, or if it is under oath in court, charged with perjury and fired. Can you post up the link or info on the case you mentioned. I would like to see the video and read the report as well.
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How can some of you guys repeat the same shit over and over again?
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How can some of you guys repeat the same shit over and over again?
Wow, coming from you, that really is a slap in the face..
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Wow, coming from you, that really is a slap in the face..
Fantastic post. 10 quotes easy.
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It's really weird that you constantly bring up "where's the evidence" in cases like this yet you believe the cop's word and Zimmerman's word when Brown and Trayvon are both dead....Believe me, cops lie OFTEN.....how many times has video tape come out later showing that the cop did not take the actions that he said he did in the police report??????.....as for Trayvon...you would rather believe a guy who admittedly STALKED Trayvon...then confronted him with a piece after Trayvon tried to defend himself against someone who confronted him, was armed, and had no right whatsoever to stop and harrass him in the first place....and was an ADULT at that....yet you readily believe Zimmerman's word about him being attacked by Trayvon
Also, just for your information, I've been on juries before in which ther is police action....the Judge gives instructions that you are NOT to infer in any way that the cop that is testifying is more credible than the defendent....each person's testimony holds equal weight in a court of law
I know this is a waste of time because I have NEVER seen you EVEN ONCE admit you were wrong about ANYTHING...but just putting it out there
Hey I can agree that it is unfortunate that there isnt any video of the events but its not like that would change anything for you or people like you and 240. Look at Antonio Martin, he pulled a gun on a cop and people still are rioting and upset about it.
So yes unfortunately there are times when you have to make a jundgement call based on the available facts and the yea I will take the word of a cop over the word of a drug using, theif/robber who has a history of violence and breaking the law.
You have proven you know basically nothing about the law or how it works. Like I have said in the past if the average black has the same level of understanding about the law that you do, its no wonder they have so much trouble with it.
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first of all, oh brave one, Trayvon DID ask Zimmerdumb "why are you following me"....how much more polite can you be in a circumstance where it appears you are being stalked??????....If he did in fact run, isn't this NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a guy (especially a kid) being STALKED??????..and then for you to say "he wasn't on the road to being a productive member of society", I'm glad you have a Crystal Ball oh wise one, and can see the future....people get in trouble all the time and rise above it....ask Jay Z, Justin Bieber, Mark Wahlberg...etc etc
LMFAO yes dumb ass anytime someone looks at you its normal behavior to run...Sorry maybe youre parents didnt teach you this but if youre not doing anything wrong, why run?
My crystal ball didnt say anything about what he would have been only that he wasnt on the road to.
You think being a theif, using drugs, posting pics of you with guns and your grill is the sign of an upstanding member of society?
You can name all the people you want who you think have gotten in trouble and become productive members of society, Ill point to the number of people in the penal system.
Fuking idiot
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I agree with you that if cops are shown to be clearly lying they need to be charged with falsifying a government document then fired, or if it is under oath in court, charged with perjury and fired. Can you post up the link or info on the case you mentioned. I would like to see the video and read the report as well.
dont hold your breath, I asked him for it and he pointed me to a huffpo article which has no report.
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I disagree that trayvon was an idiot....all he was doing was walking down the street......
Yeah, in a neighborhood recently hit by black bandits. He should have kept on walking and he would be alive but he had to confront and attempt to gay bash Zimmerman. Now he's dead and the world keeps turning.
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I agree with you that if cops are shown to be clearly lying they need to be charged with falsifying a government document then fired, or if it is under oath in court, charged with perjury and fired. Can you post up the link or info on the case you mentioned. I would like to see the video and read the report as well.
I'll look for it. it was a few months back. they were looking for drugs or something, I think. No charges filed after "he was reaching for our gun" was completely debunked. Sickening.
I'm VERY happy to see so many people on getbig saying shady cops need to be booted.
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I find it odd that so many forget trayvon was walking around in the dark on a rainy night, no where near his house nor anywhere on a linear path from the store to his house. Wandering around in the rain near the club house qualifies as strange behavior, thus why he was being followed.
He also initiated the confrontation after sneaking up on zimmerman, versus running to his house which was just as easily reached. But then again, if he ran to his house, he wouldn't have gotten to assault anyone...
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Yeah, in a neighborhood recently hit by black bandits. He should have kept on walking and he would be alive but he had to confront and attempt to gay bash Zimmerman. Now he's dead and the world keeps turning.
your post is laughable...try again
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I find it odd that so many forget trayvon was walking around in the dark on a rainy night, no where near his house nor anywhere on a linear path from the store to his house. Wandering around in the rain near the club house qualifies as strange behavior, thus why he was being followed.
He also initiated the confrontation after sneaking up on zimmerman, versus running to his house which was just as easily reached. But then again, if he ran to his house, he wouldn't have gotten to assault anyone...
another guy who has it wrong
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your post is laughable...try again
You're laughable. You're butthurt over a dumb kid with no future being killed by a fat hispanic he had the brillant idea to attack. You've created drama over nothing-just like with Michael Brown. You idiots need to stop spamming reality with your stupid bullshit. At least find something worthy of chimping out about.
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You're laughable. You're butthurt over a dumb kid with no future being killed by a fat hispanic he had the brillant idea to attack. You've created drama over nothing-just like with Michael Brown. You idiots need to stop spamming reality with your stupid bullshit. At least find something worthy of chimping out about.
Welcome back "The Ugly"
Anyways I got 5 letters for you R-E-L-A-X. Log off and enjoy life. Go out and hug a black man. You sound very angry attacking 240 and andre. You should be very happy with the signing of Jim Harbaugh.
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Welcome back "The Ugly"
Anyways I got 5 letters for you R-E-L-A-X. Log off and enjoy life. Go out and hug a black man. You sound very angry attacking 240 and andre. You should be very happy with the signing of Jim Harbaugh.
You're the last person to tell someone to relax. You're constantly whining and butthurt over something. You play the oh poor me everyone is out to get me game in 99% of your posts. It's the same damn crybaby bullshit over and over again.
And I'm not The Ugly..FACT
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You're the last person to tell someone to relax. You're constantly whining and butthurt over something. You play the oh poor me everyone is out to get me game in 99% of your posts. It's the same damn crybaby bullshit over and over again.
Did a brotha rape your mom or something? If I remember correctly, didn't you say you used drugs before? Something doesn't seem right with you. Do you have friends or family? Go enjoy life dude.
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Did a brotha rape your mom or something? If I remember correctly, didn't you say you used drugs before? Something doesn't seem right with you. Do you have friends or family? Go enjoy life dude.
I hit one of your soft spots. You're a hypersensitive baby.
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I hit one of your soft spots. You're a hypersensitive baby.
Nope, you just sound so angry all the time. I was thinking it could be drug related.
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Nope, you just sound so angry all the time. I was thinking it could be drug related.
I sound angry? You're the one constantly crying about how everybody is against you.. No matter the topic you always manage to whine on about how terrible getbig is and how people are mean to you and racist. You're a typical crybaby man-child with a victim complex. I'd rather be angry than an estrogen soaked blabbering beta boy.
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You're the last person to tell someone to relax. You're constantly whining and butthurt over something. You play the oh poor me everyone is out to get me game in 99% of your posts. It's the same damn crybaby bullshit over and over again.
And I'm not The Ugly..FACT
Pal, not my fault. Seems anyone here who finds J or andre a little overly sensitive about race, gets annoyed by their instinctual 'innocent black' defenses, and grows tired of their total inability to own their culture's shortcomings, has to be you. Guess if I'd dropped in a few "Obama"s they'd have pinned me as Soul Crusher instead.
Of course, makes zero difference we've both been here forever, and that Shizzo already knows I'm really chaos.
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Pal, not my fault. Seems anyone here who finds J or andre a little overly sensitive about race, gets annoyed by their instinctual 'innocent black' defenses, and grows tired of their total inability to own their culture's shortcomings, has to be you. Guess if I'd dropped in a few "Obama"s they'd have pinned me as Soul Crusher instead.
Of course, makes zero difference we've both been here forever, and that Shizzo already knows I'm really chaos.
Let me be clear, I do not feel insulted by the comparison. LittleJenkem can believe whatever he wants. God knows he's going to anyway.
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I sound angry? You're the one constantly crying about how everybody is against you.. No matter the topic you always manage to whine on about how terrible getbig is and how people are mean to you and racist. You're a typical crybaby man-child with a victim complex. I'd rather be angry than an estrogen soaked blabbering beta boy.
It's funny many of your kind find you racist from the pm's I received. What does that make them? ???
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It's funny many of your kind find you racist from the pm's I received. What does that make them? ???
Yet none of them can give me examples. I suspect they are just oversensitive cry babies like you or dumbass enablers guilt ridden into agreeing with you. They understand that you have an extremely fragile ego and need constant reassurances that you aren't a sad pathetic baby-man. Unfortunately they feed into your victim complex.
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Let me be clear, I do not feel insulted by the comparison. LittleJenkem can believe whatever he wants. God knows he's going to anyway.
Feel the same, whatever makes one's Gb experience more rewarding. Just here to help.
But you gotta know you're a tad bitchy when a female mod calls you out as bitchy. 'Member, J?
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Yet none of them can give me examples. I suspect they are just oversensitive cry babies like you or dumbass enablers guilt ridden into agreeing with you. They understand that you have an extremely fragile ego and need constant reassurances that you aren't a sad pathetic baby-man. Unfortunately they feed into your victim complex.
Your post just prove what I've been saying all along. You need to go back to rehab brother. BTW One of those "crybabies" that is tired of your shit, is the owner of the site. :-*
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Feel the same, whatever makes one's Gb experience more rewarding. Just here to help.
But you gotta know you're a tad bitchy when a female mod calls you out as bitchy. 'Member, J?
Oh Yes my favorite Princess
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Your post just prove what I've been saying all along. You need to go back to rehab brother. BTW One of those "crybabies" that is tired of your shit, is the owner of the site. :-*
You sound angry. If the owner of this site is upset it must be because you send him thousands of complaints about me. You are after all a crybaby and that's what crybabies do, complain. Just like a little crybaby tattle tale you run to Ron and ball your eyes out and then post on the board that Ron is upset with me. Grown men don't do that. Ron can be as upset at me as he wants but he has no grounds. Unlike you Andre and Vince I haven't used racial slurs against anyone. If Ron has a problem he should take it up with me. He doesn't need a little bitch boy whiner speaking for him.
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Feel the same, whatever makes one's Gb experience more rewarding. Just here to help.
But you gotta know you're a tad bitchy when a female mod calls you out as bitchy. 'Member, J?
He screamed racism when booty wouldn't give him the time of day. LittleJenkem has a fragile ego and booty rejecting him caused him to flip out and continue to flip out when booty posts. For some reason he thinks I used to do drugs. The most I've done is smoke Marijuana. If I was a former drug user I would admit it.
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He screamed racism when booty wouldn't give him the time of day. LittleJenkem has a fragile ego and booty rejected him caused him to flip out and continue to flip out when booty posts. For some reason he thinks I used to do drugs. The most I've done is smoke Marijuana. If I was a former drug user I would admit it.
I just like to entertain his victimhood from time to time. No reason to invest in his existence beyond that.
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I just like to entertain his victimhood from time to time. No reason to invest in his existence beyond that.
Very true. Besides victimhood he doesn't have much of an existence.
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Your post just prove what I've been saying all along. You need to go back to rehab brother. BTW One of those "crybabies" that is tired of your shit, is the owner of the site. :-*
Translation = "I went crying to Ron like a little bitch."
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Translation = "I went crying to Ron like a little bitch."
Exactly. It's like saying I went to my dad and told him you were mean to me and now he's going to beat you up. Littlejenkems admission only confirms his status as getbig resident crybaby tattle tale.
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It's funny many of your kind find you racist from the pm's I received. What does that make them? ???
You're a crybaby narc, "LiterallyGay".
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Nope, you just sound so angry all the time. I was thinking it could be drug related.
no..he's just angry at black people .......long story...and he uses GetBig to vent the things he could never get away with in person/real life
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no..he's just angry at black people .......long story...and he uses GetBig to vent the things he could never get away with in person/real life
You're another cry baby tattle tale. I have it on good authority you have been crying to Ron and the mods. Someone like you, who uses racial slurs and says the most racist things on getbig has the nerve to run to daddy and tattle. You've said far worse things than I ever have. You're just another oversensitive man-child who throws a tantrum when his feelings are hurt. Black guys have the most fragile egos.
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You're another cry baby tattle tale. I have it on good authority you have been crying to Ron and the mods. Someone like you, who uses racial slurs and says the most racist things on getbig has the nerve to run to daddy and tattle. You've said far worse things than I ever have. You're just another oversensitive man-child who throws a tantrum when his feelings are hurt. Black guys have the most fragile egos.
now you've really jumped the shark....I've been here for 8 years...since the old days...why cry to Ron now????...I've put up with much bigger dummies than you....and I never use racist slurs unless its retaliation for same or unless its someone who I have a good relationship with and its done as a joke.....you're the crybaby....so haunted by your ill treatment by blacks that you come on here at any opportunity and show up in every single race thread.....
get therapy and get over it
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now you've really jumped the shark....I've been here for 8 years...since the old days...why cry to Ron now????...I've put up with much bigger dummies than you....and I never use racist slurs unless its retaliation for same or unless its someone who I have a good relationship with and its done as a joke.....you're the crybaby....so haunted by your ill treatment by blacks that you come on here at any opportunity and show up in every single race thread.....
get therapy and get over it
Why cry to Ron? Isn't it obvious. You're an oversensitive crybaby with a victim complex. You've used racial slurs in the past toward me and you've said more racially insensitivity things than I ever have on my worst day. You are always throwing a pity party for yourself. No one likes or respects you here-well maybe the other members of team crybaby. Funny thing is that its you and littlejenkem that made today all about race. I know you're a narc and a lot of other people do too. You are the one of the dumbest members on this site. When have you ever been right about anything? When have you ever contributed an interesting or intelligent comment? Nowhere is the answer. So turn off the computer, turn on the public enemy and cry yourself to sleep.
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Why cry to Ron? Isn't it obvious. You're an oversensitive crybaby with a victim complex. You've used racial slurs in the past toward me and you've said more racially insensitivity things than I ever have on my worst day. You are always throwing a pity party for yourself. No one likes or respects you here-well maybe the other members of team crybaby. Funny thing is that its you and littlejenkem that made today all about race. I know you're a narc and a lot of other people do too. You are the one of the dumbest members on this site. When have you ever been right about anything? When have you ever contributed an interesting or intelligent comment? Nowhere is the answer. So turn off the computer, turn on the public enemy and cry yourself to sleep.
Lot of made up stuff................... ...........DID NOT READ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Lot of made up stuff................... ...........DID NOT READ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
How would you know there is made up stuff if you didn't read? What this is called is an epic fail. You should be familiar with the concept. Did you wife finally leave? I know shes been threatening to. Your marriage has been rocky for a while. Anybody want to see a pic of his ugly ass latina wife?
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How would you know there is made up stuff if you didn't read? What this is called is an epic fail. You should be familiar with the concept. Did you wife finally leave? I know shes been threatening to. Your marriage has been rocky for a while. Anybody want to see a pic of his ugly ass latina wife?
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Andre isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's going through a lot right now so lets cut him some slack. Last I heard his ugly ass latina wife wanted to dump him.
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Andre isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's going through a lot right now so lets cut him some slack. Last I heard his ugly ass latina wife wanted to dump him.
hahahahaha....that would have been a great line about two years ago.....I'm divorced already...thank god.....
all I'm saying is that if you have such a hatred of blacks, then go to a white supremacist board......I don't understand why all you white guys come here with that and rant and vent about it ALL THE TIME...it gets old and boring.....why are you so obsessed with the lives of black people????????????????????...you guys are obsessed with everything about us, even our fucking cock size....
all Im saying is give it a rest ...don't appear in EVERY SINGLE racial thread if you are butthurt about black people.....
I have nothing against you per se...If you want I will even look for a few white supremacist sites for you and send you a list..I want you to go somewhere where you'll be happy :)
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I'm still trying to find the racist comments I said about my buddy Archer77. ???
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I just like to entertain his victimhood from time to time. No reason to invest in his existence beyond that.
Thanks bro, I hope everyone in your family dies too.
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Litter J and Andreisathug keepin it real!
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Litter J and Andreisathug keepin it real!
Thanks Bro :)
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Thanks Bro :)
Why not join the nypd so you can start choking people too?
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Why not join the nypd so you can start choking people too?
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Thanks bro, I hope everyone in your family dies too.
Wow. Says a lot, guy. Just outta the blue, huh? Well done.
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Wow. Says a lot, guy. Just outta the blue, huh? Well done.
Perchance is he a highly intelligent person.?
Or maybe he is a Black Man.?
No Racial stereotypical Behaviour. ::)
I often wonder how they get such a poor rep.
Rule No.1 Blame The White Man.
They were all so Advanced before Whitey came Along.
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Andre isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's going through a lot right now so lets cut him some slack. Last I heard his ugly ass latina wife wanted to dump him.
Not the sharpest, but he sure is a tool.
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