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Real simple stuff. Put God first in your life and guide your marriage and family in accordance with his will and you will find peace and fulfillment and happiness.
Marriage is so incredibly easy when you love God and love your spouse. Building upon that foundation with the blessing of children is equally as easy to love and enjoy a family.
Or you can live for the world.
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Real simple stuff. Put God first in your life and guide your marriage and family in accordance with his will and you will find peace and fulfillment and happiness.
Marriage is so incredibly easy when you love God and love your spouse. Building upon that foundation with the blessing of children is equally as easy to love and enjoy a family.
Or you can live for the world.
There is no God, hope this helps.
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Well I come from an incredibly large family, so sorry to inform you that the bloodline will carry on for some time yet. Not that I care,my ego isn't so large that I am concerned with what happens after I am gone. The human race is eventually doomed anyway, it will just deteriorate exponentially quicker because morons outbreed everyone else.
In my case, the direct genetic line of my heritage will not completely die out with me.
With the recent passing on my mom, both parents, all 4 grandparents and my only sibling ( sister) are dead.
I'm the last one left of my nuclear family. My sis was a doctor and died of cancer 4 yrs ago and I lived on.
Nobody ever said, the most deserving live on .
I never had kids, and but my sister's had 3 boys and 2/3 had kids, so wtf.
It's not like genetics were all that great anyway. ;)
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There is no God, hope this helps.
False my friend, there is one in his head
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False my friend, there is one in his head
I hope it will stay there.
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How about you show your wife what you posted here? If there is any truth in this, she'd be wise to leave you. It appears that you have no respect for women at all.
Newsflash Prime - this is getbig and that last "all anal" suggestion was an obvious JOKE.
Not all posts on getbig are serious or factual.
Hope this helps
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I hope it will stay there.
I hope he can appreciate my Getbig-jokes & opinions, should I ever meet him...
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Having kids is unethical at it's core if you think about it. yet ppl rationalize their instinct, they use it to escape the possible awareness of purposelesness of their life and actions. Only strong can face the harsh truth, and only strongest doesn't off themselves in the process. It takes quite some balls to acknowledge the reality and hidden workings of it. Better not to, probably, like a cat or dog, just procereate and die with no conscience, as the end result is pretty much the same.
I find it funny how many ppl are not self critical, I mean - when I look around I see quite some unlucky ppl, some short, some deformed in various ways, bald, ugly, unhealthy from a get go, from dysfunctional families, with no real sense of how to raise a strong individual that will suffer as less as possible, etc, etc.. yet somehow... majority of them justify their urge to procreate, without even thinking of what they will transfer to these new bodies and "souls".
Good, thoughtful post , but I think it "depends".
1. Most people that adopt kids are doing it for honorable, decent reasons.
I respect and admire that kind of person.
(b) Some parents that have their own children wanted to bring a life into the world and raise it well.
That's also something I consider worthwhile and honorable.
2. Some parents want to have their own children for various ego driven, selfish reasons.
The most common being , wanting someone to take care of them when older.
Or, to carry on the family legacy aka genetic line. LOL, as if their genetics was so wonderful.
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Real simple stuff. Put God first in your life and guide your marriage and family in accordance with his will and you will find peace and fulfillment and happiness.
Marriage is so incredibly easy when you love God and love your spouse. Building upon that foundation with the blessing of children is equally as easy to love and enjoy a family.
Or you can live for the world.
Obviously, you are a sincere man of faith.
I don't think "giving yourself to GOD" guarantees a great life, but it seems to work for you, so wtf.
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Good, thoughtful post , but I think it "depends".
1. Most people that adopt kids are doing it for honorable, decent reasons.
I respect and admire that kind of person.
(b) Some parents that have their own children wanted to bring a life into the world and raise it well.
That's also something I consider worthwhile and honorable.
2. Some parents want to have their own children for various ego driven, selfish reasons.
The most common being , wanting someone to take care of them when older.
Or, to carry on the family legacy aka genetic line. LOL, as if their genetics was so wonderful.
2b. Most women want to have kids basically to control another life. Sad but true.
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I always thought having children in this day and age was the most selfish thing anybody could do. It isn't like we need more people and the resources already stretched thin to the ground now, so if people aren't having them to benefit the rest of us, who are they having them for? Remaining childless is an altruistic act.
I can see both sides of this in terms of personal motivations.
In my case, I opted to adopt dogs, thus, I am a wonderful human being :D
Hope this example helps...
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Let's use a hypothetical to demonstrate, whenever a minority suffers, let's say abused children. There suffering is compounded by the majority not being able to understand their negative life experiences as a result of that abuse, with the exception of those who study the matter. Now if all children were abused there would be a greater incentive to stamp out the practise altogether, because everyone would grow up and understand how detrimental it was to the enjoyment of their lives. So human beings only do the right thing when it benefits them. Rather than say "there but for the grace of God go I", they say "Better them than me". Hence the reason I believe that although paradoxical, human beings would be better off after a cataclysmic failure of the current system caused by mass devastation, since this would cause the survivors to suffer pretty much equally, people would suddenly find their humanity, hence be better off.
Translation - most of the motivation to ass rape another beta male in prison, is to pop at a nut at the expense of his painfully stretched anus.
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2b. Most women want to have kids basically to control another life. Sad but true.
Your mom just pm'd the mods to delete this post. ;)
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I can see both sides of this in terms of personal motivations.
In my case, I opted to adopt dogs, thus, I am a wonderful human being :D
Hope this example helps...
I know this is the common perception the pet industry wants you to think, but the fact is dogs are seen as a commodity, so they are bred with that in mind and the excess simply destroyed, this cycle repeats ad nauseum. So you may think you are saving a life when in fact you are participating in an industry that is setup in such a way that countless healthy dogs being killed is part of their business model. Put simply for you to own a dog many others must die, hardly the act of a wonderful human being. This is why PETA advocate against pet ownership, for the only real way to prevent these countless unnecessary dog deaths is for humans to stop viewing dogs as a commodity. Hope this helps.
http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ (http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/)
I think the fact human beings took a majestic self sufficient animal like the wolf and turned them into helpless dependant creatures like a Shih Tzu is an example of the worst of human nature, not the best.
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Obviously, you are a sincere man of faith.
I don't think "giving yourself to GOD" guarantees a great life, but it seems to work for you, so wtf.
Well, I didn't mean to suggest anything about a guarantee for a great life. In fact, as believers in Christ we're promised ridicule and hardship....notice the replies that immediately followed my previous post.....par for the course stuff and I don't entertain it past this.
What I did note was that love and enjoyment and of marriage and family is easy if grounded in God. Our lives will be filled with trials and hardships, but how I respond to those trials and hardship first without God and then with God is so vastly different.
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I think the fact human beings took a majestic self sufficient animal like the wolf and turned them into helpless dependant creatures like s Shih Tzu is an example of the worst of human nature, not the best.
Exactly.
Also neutering any life form is a crime.
Imho the people doing this should also get neutered.
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Religion is for weak minded fools.
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Religion is for weak minded fools.
I pray the Lord blesses you abundantly Raymondo.
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Religion is for weak minded fools.
Well if it improves their lives i see nothing wrong with it.
On the other hand there are wars about who's having the best imaginary friend...
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Exactly.
Also neutering any life form is a crime.
Imho the people doing this should also get neutered.
Lately I have been texting with a woman in the hope of getting into her pants and the other day she texted me and told me she was a nurturer, but she misspelled the word, something like 'neuturer'. I knew what she meant due to the context, so I texted back and said, did you say you were a 'neuterer' and I at least got back a LOL and a smiley face. Deep down we both know she is, so it was good to laugh about it. ;D
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I pray the Lord blesses you abundantly Raymondo.
That is kind of you, but I won't hold my breath. God is a superstition.
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That is kind of you, but I won't hold my breath. God is a superstition.
Are you just a God-denier or are you also a God-hater?
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Are you just a God-denier or are you also a God-hater?
You cannot hate something that does not exist.
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You cannot hate something that does not exist.
Many, many do. Ok, so just a God-denier. So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.
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When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.
A non-sequitur, but that's ok.
So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.
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If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people.
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If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people.
Yes, I've heard this one too.
So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.
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Yes, I've heard this one too.
So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.
I am not a drug or alcohol addict, so I have no need for such practices.
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If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people.
You cannot reason with religious people. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. That is the problem. Their faith completely blinds them; they will ignore everything that does not confirm their beliefs (confirmation bias). They just keep spouting off the same thing over and over (put God in your life first). They just can't help themselves.
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Lately I have been texting with a woman in the hope of getting into her pants and the other day she texted me and told me she was a nurturer, but she misspelled the word, something like 'neuturer'. I knew what she meant due to the context, so I texted back and said, did you say you were a 'neuterer' and I at least got back a LOL and a smiley face. Deep down we both know she is, so it was good to laugh about it. ;D
Likely she wants to use a strap-on and go balls deep on your quivering anus.
Lube up and you'll be fine.
Plus, the only risk is giving birth to a 10" turd.
Hope this helps. ;)
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I am not a drug or alcohol addict, so I have no need for such practices.
Ok, so you haven't come to the Lord in humble surrender.
So tell me about your former prayer life and how you used to worship the Lord?
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You cannot reason with religious people. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. That is the problem. Their faith completely blinds them; they will ignore everything that does not confirm their beliefs (confirmation bias). They just keep spouting off the same thing over and over (put God in your life first). They just can't help themselves.
If I have one thing against religion is how it teaches people to be content with not understanding. Ignorance is the blight of our times.
I have nothing against religious people, I understand why they are the way they are.
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If I have one thing against religion is how it teaches people to be content with not understanding. Ignorance is the blight of our times.
I have nothing against religious people, I understand why they are the way they are.
Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
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If I have one thing against religion is how it teaches people to be content with not understanding. Ignorance is the blight of our times.
I have nothing against religious people, I understand why they are the way they are.
Yes, you cannot reason with them. If you try to reason with them, they will just quote scripture. Its a never-ending cycle. You're best bet is to let people like MOS and Tbombz have their fantasies.
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Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
Religiosity is negatively correlated (http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/the-relationship-between-intelligence-and-multiple-domains-of-religious-belief-evidence-from-a-large-adult-us-sample(233f2530-8c1a-4c2b-972c-1721d626d558)/export.html) with intelligence.
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I hope he can appreciate my Getbig-jokes & opinions, should I ever meet him...
Have you seen Man of Steel? Should you ever meet him, he is perfectly capable of snapping you like a twig, but he won't because he's a Man of God. ;D
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Religiosity is negatively correlated (http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/the-relationship-between-intelligence-and-multiple-domains-of-religious-belief-evidence-from-a-large-adult-us-sample(233f2530-8c1a-4c2b-972c-1721d626d558)/export.html) with intelligence.
Yes, there is religious research from other parties.
Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
Also, tell me about your former prayer life and how you used to worship the Lord?
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Also, religiosity is quite negatively correlated (https://www.jstor.org/stable/3511296?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents) with education.
Religion kills understanding and fosters ignorance.
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Also, religiosity is quite negatively correlated (https://www.jstor.org/stable/3511296?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents) with education.
Religion kills understanding and fosters ignorance.
Again, there is religious research from other parties. There are many brilliant religious folks.
Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
Also, tell me about your former prayer life and how you used to worship the Lord?
If you would, tell me about your former study of scripture.
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Again, there is religious research from other parties.
Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
Also, tell me about your former prayer life and how you used to worship the Lord?
You are starting to get creepy.
God does not exist and religion is for people who need a crutch.
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Also, religiosity is quite negatively correlated (https://www.jstor.org/stable/3511296?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents) with education.
Religion kills understanding and fosters ignorance.
Don't trust the research from religious people. Many of these religious groups had to go create their own journals, in order to get published. Their articles were not being accepted into many peer-reviewed articles, so they had to create their own journals. :D :D
If a religious study is cited, be wary. Ensure that its from a reputable journal.
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Religiosity is negatively correlated (http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/the-relationship-between-intelligence-and-multiple-domains-of-religious-belief-evidence-from-a-large-adult-us-sample(233f2530-8c1a-4c2b-972c-1721d626d558)/export.html) with intelligence.
Also, religiosity is quite negatively correlated (https://www.jstor.org/stable/3511296?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents) with education.
Religion kills understanding and fosters ignorance.
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Francis Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project. He is director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, Maryland.
Before being appointed director of the NIH, Collins led the Human Genome Project and other genomics research initiatives as director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the 27 institutes and centers at NIH. Before joining NHGRI, he earned a reputation as a gene hunter at the University of Michigan. He has been elected to the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, and has received the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the National Medal of Science.
He familiarized himself with the evidence for and against God in cosmology, and used Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis as a foundation to re-examine his religious view. He eventually came to a conclusion, and became an Evangelical Christian during a hike on a fall afternoon. He has described himself as a "serious Christian".
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Lately I have been texting with a woman in the hope of getting into her pants and the other day she texted me and told me she was a nurturer, but she misspelled the word, something like 'neuturer'. I knew what she meant due to the context, so I texted back and said, did you say you were a 'neuterer' and I at least got back a LOL and a smiley face. Deep down we both know she is, so it was good to laugh about it. ;D
LOL
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You are starting to get creepy.
God does not exist and religion is for people who need a crutch.
Ok, so you have no previous prayer life, no previous form of worship, no previous study of scripture, no personal surrender to God as outlined in scripture and essentially no previous experience with God whatsoever.
What you have presented in response to my requests are religious cliches, logical fallacies, articles on religious research (of which you took no part in), presuppositions and conclusions grounded in your uninformed, subjective opinions. This is the essence of your absolute statement that God does not exist and is superstition.
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Your mom just pm'd the mods to delete this post. ;)
HAHA :D
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Ok, so you have no previous prayer life, no previous form of worship, no previous study of scripture, no personal surrender to God as outlined in scripture and essentially no previous experience with God whatsoever.
What you have presented in response to my requests are religious cliches, logical fallacies, articles on religious research (of which you took no part in), presuppositions and conclusions grounded in your uninformed, subjective opinions. This is the essence of your absolute statement that God does not exist and is superstition.
This like telling someone that they cannot have an opinion on Scientology because they haven't been trying to reach Operating Thetan level. It would be absurd to take the Bible seriously because it is the folklore of ancient times.
These are universally accepted truths. Religiosity rates have been falling across the civilized world because people come to realise them.
God does not exist. It is a superstition.
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This like telling someone that they cannot have an opinion on Scientology because they haven't been trying to reach Operating Thetan level. It would be absurd to take the Bible seriously because it is the folklore of ancient times.
These are universally accepted truths. Religiosity rates have been falling across the civilized world because people come to realise them.
God does not exist. It is a superstition.
Of course you can have opinions. Everyone has an opinion. This is the essence of subjectivity.
So the bible is absurd because it is ancient? Well thought out.
These are universally accepted truths? I disagree.
Really, that's it? I'm moving on LOL.
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Of course you can have opinions. Everyone has an opinion. This is the essence of subjectivity.
So the bible is absurd because it is ancient? Well thought out.
These are universally accepted truths? I disagree.
Really, that's it? I'm moving on LOL.
There is no empirical evidence for the existence of God. Therefore God does not exist.
The "articles" I quoted are studies published in peer reviewed journals. These journals use something called the scientific method.
The bible was written by illiterate peasants thousands of years ago. It is just the folklore of the times. Its value is purely historical.
You might as well pray to the JuJu of the Great Mountain or to Apollo the Sun God. They are just as valid as the God of any religion.
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There is no empirical evidence for the existence of God. Therefore God does not exist.
The "articles" I quoted are studies published in peer reviewed journals. These journals use something called the scientific method.
The bible was written by illiterate peasants thousands of years ago. It is just the folklore of the times. Its value is purely historical.
You might as well pray to the JuJu of the Great Mountain or to Apollo the Sun God. They are just as valid as the God of any religion.
And this is where the debate ends. You want to prove God from a scientific method, i.e., in a "lab." (I agree with you on this).
People who are religious have faith, and do not need empirical evidence. Most religious people will tell you it requires FAITH to believe. That's fine, but faith in no way indicates objective truth. In order to identify any form of objective truth, you need to rely on the best method possible, which is the scientific method.
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There is no empirical evidence for the existence of God. Therefore God does not exist.
The "articles" I quoted are studies published in peer reviewed journals. Over there they use something called the scientific method.
The bible was written by illiterate peasants thousands of years ago. It is just the folklore of the times. Its value is purely historical.
You might as well pray to the JuJu of the Great Mountain or to Apollo the Sun God. They are just as valid as the God of any religion.
Ok, I'll play along....
I am empirical evidence....you're conversing with evidence.
How exactly did illiterate folks read and write?
How is the bible folklore (traditions of fictional stories) and history (a chronology of verified events) at the same time?
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And this is where the debate ends. You want to prove God from a scientific method, i.e., in a "lab." (I agree with you on this).
People who are religious have faith, and do not need empirical evidence. Most religious people will tell you it requires FAITH to believe. That's fine, but faith in no way indicates objective truth. In order to identify any form of objective truth, you need to rely on the best method possible, which is the scientific method.
Exactly, you might as well make your own gods and they will be just as valid as any other god.
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I know this is the common perception the pet industry wants you to think, but the fact is dogs are seen as a commodity, so they are bred with that in mind and the excess simply destroyed, this cycle repeats ad nauseum. So you may think you are saving a life when in fact you are participating in an industry that is setup in such a way that countless healthy dogs being killed is part of their business model. Put simply for you to own a dog many others must die, hardly the act of a wonderful human being. This is why PETA advocate against pet ownership, for the only real way to prevent these countless unnecessary dog deaths is for humans to stop viewing dogs as a commodity. Hope this helps.
http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ (http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/)
I think the fact human beings took a majestic self sufficient animal like the wolf and turned them into helpless dependant creatures like a Shih Tzu is an example of the worst of human nature, not the best.
1. The gist of my post was to be taken as a tongue in cheek JOKE.
2. I always adopt shelter /rescue dogs. I refuse to help perpetuate the breeding-puppy mill insanity.
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Exactly, you might as well make your own gods and they will be just as valid as any other god.
Atheists demand empirical evidence under strict scientific conditions. Theists cannot provide this evidence. Thus, we reach a stalemate.
As Bertrand Russell, "When there is good reason to believe in something, you believe in it. When there is good reason not to believe in something, you don't. When you're uncertain, the answer then becomes, 'I don't know'"
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Atheists demand empirical evidence under strict scientific conditions. Theists cannot provide this evidence. Thus, we reach a stalemate.
As Bertrand Russell, "When there is good reason to believe in something, you believe in it. When there is good reason not to believe in something, you don't. When you're uncertain, the answer then becomes, 'I don't know'"
Bertrand Russell was great. Any deist would benefit immensely from reading him.
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Well, I didn't mean to suggest anything about a guarantee for a great life. In fact, as believers in Christ we're promised ridicule and hardship....notice the replies that immediately followed my previous post.....par for the course stuff and I don't entertain it past this.
What I did note was that love and enjoyment and of marriage and family is easy if grounded in God. Our lives will be filled with trials and hardships, but how I respond to those trials and hardship first without God and then with God is so vastly different.
I think you took my rather brief reply a bit too literal.
I know well, that faith in GOD doesn't mean an easy life.
Faith always us all a path to follow when the going gets tough.
Here's my deal and you may reply with your 2 cents:
I don't drink booze , do rec drugs, smoke, gamble or screw around on my wife.
I'm not even tempted to do most of the so called "sinful" things.
While I have a retarded goofball persona on getbig, I lead a rather wholesome life.
Some here would find that boring, but, wtf, it's just me , being me.
I have faith in the existence of one omnipotent GOD , creator of the universe.
I'm not a Christian and don't follow any one organized religion.
While I've read many bible verses, I don't believe that Jesus Christ was GOD incarnate.
I sincerely believe the virgin birth and resurrection was a myth established to give higher authority to the early Christian sects.
I'm no biblical scholar but I have done a good bit of study and prayerful reflection on this.
My final, firm conclusion was many ( not all ) of the BIBLE versus and words of Jesus are timeless spiritual and moral wisdom. BUT despite being a great moral philosopher, Jesus was just a man, like the rest of humanity.
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Bertrand Russell was great. Any deist would benefit immensely from reading him.
Demanding empirical evidence of the supernatural to be validated under strict scientific terms for the natural is a category mistake.
When validating God's existence and who he is you do so according to his terms as outlined in his inspired scripture.
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I think you took my rather brief reply a bit too literal.
I know well, that faith in GOD doesn't mean an easy life.
Faith always us all a path to follow when the going gets tough.
Here's my deal and you may reply with your 2 cents:
I don't drink booze , do rec drugs, smoke, gamble or screw around on my wife.
I'm not even tempted to do most of the so called "sinful" things.
While I have a retarded goofball persona on getbig, I lead a rather wholesome life.
Some here would find that boring, but, wtf, it's just me , being me.
I have faith in the existence of one omnipotent GOD , creator of the universe.
I'm not a Christian and don't follow any one organized religion.
While I've read many bible verses, I don't believe that Jesus Christ was GOD incarnate.
I sincerely believe the virgin birth and resurrection was a myth established to give higher authority to the early Christian sects.
I'm no biblical scholar but I have done a good bit of study and prayerful reflection on this.
My final, firm conclusion was many ( not all ) of the BIBLE versus and words of Jesus are timeless spiritual and moral wisdom. BUT despite being a great moral philosopher, Jesus was just a man, like the rest of humanity.
I appreciate this reply very much.
Why do you believe Jesus as God incarnate is false?
Do you believe it reasonable that Jesus' disciples would go to their deaths perpetuating a lie for the sake of power they would never achieve?
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Bertrand Russell was great. Any deist would benefit immensely from reading him.
Don't let the theists fool you, and tell you that you do not need to prove God under strict scientific conditions. And that the only evidence you need is outlined in scripture, as determined by God. Its a good ploy, in order for them to attempt to prove their God, without actually proving it.
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You cannot validate the existence of something according to its own "special rules". Such a validation would be tautological, i.e. it would be true under any conditions, since the conditions are set by the entity to be validated. There would be no conditions under which God would not exist.
I think this statement more than any other displays the utter absurdity of religion.
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fixed it for you buddy
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You cannot validate the existence of something according to its own "special rules". Such a validation would be tautological, i.e. it would be true under any conditions, since the conditions are set by the entity to be validated. There would be no conditions under which God would not exist.
I think this statement more than any other displays the utter absurdity of religion.
You're not understanding and tautology is often cited as excuse not to pursue God. The commands of scripture aren't a twisting of phraseology or a defining of a situation or a person by the essence of thing called into question. That's a presupposition, but more than that it's simple ignorance of scripture.....it's not what I mean by coming to God according to his terms as outlined in scripture.
When you enter the Christian worldview you're acknowledging a divine, creating, transcendent, sovereign God of all that is....let that sink in.
Now, if the divine, sovereign God outlines his terms for relationship and special revelation in scripture and you want to understand that God better then there's no room for argument - other than the futility in demanding inapplicable terms of your own invention.
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No offence (lål lots of offence" but can you "guys" start a new religion thread and keep debating there?
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You're not understanding and tautology is often cited as excuse not to pursue God. The commands of scripture aren't a twisting of phraseology or defining something by the essence of itself. That's a presupposition, but more than that it's simple ignorance of scripture.
When you enter the Christian worldview you're acknowledging a divine, creating, transcendent, sovereign God of all that is....let that sink in.
Now, if the divine, sovereign God outlines his terms for relationship and special revelation in scripture and you want to understand that God better then there's no room for argument - other than the futility in demanding inapplicable terms of your own invention.
Precisely. I have been saying this all along.
Religion fosters ignorance and kills understanding.
The more religious a person, the more likely they are not educated or intelligent, as shown previously.
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No offence (lål lots of offence" but can you "guys" start a new religion thread and keep debating there?
Almost no one goes to the religion board for discussion. I know because I mod it and I've tried repeatedly to make exactly what you asked to happen.
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Almost no one goes to the religion board for discussion. I know because I mod it and I've tried repeatedly to make exactly what you asked to happen.
Yes, because almost no one is interested in religion.
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Yes, because almost no one is interested in religion.
Religion was and is still used to control the masses.
On some people it just doesn't work.
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Precisely. I have been saying this all along.
Religion fosters ignorance and kills understanding.
You're not grasping why "there's no room for argument". You're simply applying that idea on to the theist (me) and then justifying my "inability to reason" with a conclusion taken out of context. Despite the fact that I've been reasoning everything you've said up to this point and I'm still awaiting response to some of my questions.
Point is, I have nothing to do with that statement. You're employing a red herring tactic. A convenience of distraction for the sake of making your argument instead of dealing with the argument at hand.
"there's no room for argument" applies to the "divine, creating, transcendent, sovereign God of all that is". If you're in the Christian worldview you must acknowledge the focus of that worldview. That said, why would a sovereign God, who's allowed you every freedom in his life, have to submit to your further demands when you step on his divine turf?
It's illogical and self-indulgent.
When you approach God you do so in humble surrender, not with demands.
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Yes, because almost no one is interested in religion.
It's always those "not interested in religion" that have the most to say about religion.
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It's always those "not interested in religion" that have the most to say about religion.
You are pretty much the only one who initiates such "debates". And you've written paragraphs to my one liners.
The absurdity of religion can be proven in a few simple statements.
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Again, there is religious research from other parties. There are many brilliant religious folks.
Tell me about how you came to that understanding.
Also, tell me about your former prayer life and how you used to worship the Lord?
If you would, tell me about your former study of scripture.
Issac Newton, founder of modern physics was a devote man of faith and ordained Anglican (protestant) minister.
Newton said ( paraphrase) ; " I wanted to understand how GOD, the father, made the Universe work."
Thus, I see no ignorance in having faith.
FYI, in my humble opinion, it seems a lot more arrogant to be a total atheist.
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When you approach God you do so in humble surrender, not with demands.
True. If you do it in any other way, you will quickly come to the conclusion that God almost certainly does not exist.
Therefore, "special rules", "scriptures", "surrender" and the like.
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I appreciate this reply very much.
Why do you believe Jesus as God incarnate is false?
Do you believe it reasonable that Jesus' disciples would go to their deaths perpetuating a lie for the sake of power they would never achieve?
The lie wasn't actually perpetuated by the direct apostles that lived with Jesus.
The 4 gospels ( Mathew, Mark, Luke and John)were only written down 70-110 yrs AFTER the death of Jesus.
St Paul was converted by faith ( aprox) 30 yrs after the death of Jesus on the road to Damascus.
The Gnostic Gospels from the Dead Sea scrolls are accurate 1st hand accounts from the same time period as Jesus. They don't alwys agree with everything in the 4 gospels.
It wasn't until 300 AD when emperor Constitine canonized the New Testament we know today and officially declared Jesus as God incarnate.
FYI, it still comes down to faith but it's not as simple and direct as many Christians think.
God Bless, Howard
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You are pretty much the only one who initiates such "debates". And you've written paragraphs to my one liners.
The absurdity of religion can be proven in a few simple statements.
What I initially do is share the gospel message and just ignore the hateful comments, but when they persist then I start responding and asking questions and engaging.
I know it would be much more entertaining if I was the typical "Christian" that gets insulted and almost instantly abandons their witness for Christ and begins cursing at you. Or worse, rolls over into the fetal position sucking their thumb because they don't know how to respond or what to say in response to the "scary atheist man".
Sorry, not my style.
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All these religious debates are useless.
No party will move a tenth of an inch from their position.
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All these religious debates are useless.
No party will move a tenth of an inch from their position.
When I engage with atheists I'm never looking to convert them. I'm presenting the theist position for the reader that may not know or understand God.
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What I initially do is share the gospel message and just ignore the hateful comments, but when they persist then I start responding and asking questions and engaging.
I know it would be much more entertaining if I was the typical "Christian" that gets insulted and almost instantly abandons their witness for Christ and begins cursing at you. Or worse, rolls over into the fetal position sucking their thumb because they don't know how to respond or what to say in response to the "scary atheist man".
Sorry, not my style.
You initially spread the gospel, but you're just as invested in broadcasting your identity. You constantly post stories about your life and your family, with the fervour of a man who absolutely needs to prove that religion has made a positive difference in his life. I think you have good reasons for doing so, but I will not speculate as to what they might be, because this is not a personal debate. It tends to become one because you feel unsettled by the fact that:
1) God cannot be proved to exist to a reasonable-minded person, because God needs to be accepted a priori, with no argument, no examination and with the total shutdown of man's rational faculties.
2) The above fosters ignorance and kills understanding.
3) Therefore, religion is a highly absurd world view.
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There is no empirical evidence for the existence of God. Therefore God does not exist.
The "articles" I quoted are studies published in peer reviewed journals. These journals use something called the scientific method.
The bible was written by illiterate peasants thousands of years ago. It is just the folklore of the times. Its value is purely historical.
You might as well pray to the JuJu of the Great Mountain or to Apollo the Sun God. They are just as valid as the God of any religion.
Add to that, the Bible was written decades after "jesus" died.
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Sooooooo...to have kids, or not to have kids? That is the question.
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Sooooooo...to have kids, or not to have kids? That is the question.
I just birthed a massive fart after a labor intensive straining.
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Sooooooo...to have kids, or not to have kids? That is the question.
Its based on the context.
As Nietzsche said, You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
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Two types of threads that are bound to be over 10 pages -
1) Religious threads
2) Threads about getting married/having children
We've had a combination of both in this one. :-\
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Have you seen Man of Steel? Should you ever meet him, he is perfectly capable of snapping you like a twig, but he won't because he's a Man of God. ;D
I was addressing this 'god' creature, 'loco'
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You initially spread the gospel, but you're just as invested in broadcasting your identity. You constantly post stories about your life and your family, with the fervour of a man who absolutely needs to prove that religion has made a positive difference in his life. I think you have good reasons for doing so, but I will not speculate as to what they might be, because this is not a personal debate. It tends to become one because you feel unsettled by the fact that:
1) God cannot be proved to exist to a reasonable-minded person, because God needs to be accepted a priori, with no argument, no examination and with the total shutdown of man's rational faculties.
2) The above fosters ignorance and kills understanding.
3) Therefore, religion is a highly absurd world view.
I demonstrate my faith repeatedly because of consistent attacks upon my faith. I start nothing....my detractors get annoyed because I often finish what they start. I give all glory to God!!
My position is supported in scripture by exactly what is written under my avatar:
1 Peter 3:15
15 Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, always be ready to explain it.
I repeat the exact same message over and over and over in my posts: "if you want to understand God you must come humbly to him in surrender as outlined in scripture".
That is the answer.
Earlier you said there's no empirical evidence for God. I told you I'm the living embodiment of empirical evidence. Then SF moved the goalposts for you and said there's no empirical evidence for God that will be accepted because it can't be subjected to scientific methodology. I indicated that demand is a category mistake, that it's logically fallacious. You replied with a plea of tautology to then avoid having to pursue God. You want your demands for the divine, sovereign God to be acknowledged and you refuse to abide by God's terms....simple as that. Now you're using a plea of "a priori" and again want to demand the ability to observe and test God according to your standards because "obviously" there's no analytical thought on the part of the believer. Nonsense. You suppress God and will use any rational - logical or illogical - to avoid meeting him head on.
I again return to the simple idea that ""if you want to understand God you must come humbly to him in surrender as outlined in scripture". The answer is in front of you and at your fingertips and you refuse to do anything about it and would rather invest your time into reasoning God out of your existence and insulting believers.
What's next? David Hume? Ayn Rand?
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lol at moving the goal posts. No one moved anything.
You cannot provide empirical evidence under strict scientific conditions. Empirical evidence, as in the form of experimentation.
God cannot be proved under these conditions (according the scientific method). I have stated this a BILLION times on here.
The predominant mode of accepting a claim is proving whether it is repeatable under strict, scientific experimentation. This is the best way. Your God lies outside of these parameters, therefore I reject your God. Its quite simple.
I don't care about proving God on his terms or according to the bible. I only care about what can be proven under the most strictest experimentation.
I never moved the goal post, tubby. I have said this all along.
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I demonstrate my faith repeatedly because of consistent attacks upon my faith. I start nothing....my detractors get annoyed because I often finish what they start. I give all glory to God!!
My position is supported in scripture by exactly what is written under my avatar:
1 Peter 3:15
15 Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, always be ready to explain it.
I repeat the exact same message over and over and over in my posts: "if you want to understand God you must come humbly to him in surrender as outlined in scripture".
That is the answer.
Earlier you said there's no empirical evidence for God. I told you I'm the living embodiment of empirical evidence. Then SF moved the goalposts for you and said there's no empirical evidence for God that will be accepted because it can't be subjected to scientific methodology. I indicated that demand is a category mistake, that it's logically fallacious. You replied with a plea of tautology to then avoid having to pursue God. You want your demands for the divine, sovereign God to be acknowledged and you refuse to abide by God's terms....simple as that. Now you're using a plea of "a priori" and again want to demand the ability to observe and test God according to your standards because "obviously" there's no analytical thought on the part of the believer. Nonsense. You suppress God and will use any rational - logical or illogical - to avoid meeting him head on.
I again return to the simple idea that ""if you want to understand God you must come humbly to him in surrender as outlined in scripture". The answer is in front of you and at your fingertips and you refuse to do anything about it and would rather invest your time into reasoning God out of your existence and insulting believers.
What's next? David Hume? Ayn Rand?
Here come the scriptures :) Bolded and in italics, too.
I am not surprised you take this personally, as any criticism of your worldview, must by necessity, be a criticism of you.
There is no God and I am not supressing anything. You cannot act on something that does not exist. You cannot prove the existence of God to a person who doesn't already believe in God, or as you put it, has "surrendered". The Muslims use a similar term, "submit". The dramatic tone is necessary because in order to believe in such a childish and absurd concept as God, you need to get rid of anything inside you that could oppose God. There is no room in religion for critical faculties, except the ones dictated by religion. If religious people were free to think as they pleased, they might change religion to something that does not resemble religion. This is the argument of the Great Inquisitor in Dostoevsky. Religious people must live and die happily in ignorance. The strong few who know the truth, the leaders of your church, sacrifice themselves to save their flock from the "world".
No goalposts have been moved because the message has been the same all along. God almost certainly does not exist and religion fosters ignorance.
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Thong maniac's inability to make his own decisions is causing a lot of rifts here. Even I found myself exchanging insults with someone I've never even conversed with. Which was fine because neither of us really cared, but that's besides the point - TM needs to weigh in on where he stands, since he's been silent since page 4.
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Thong maniac's inability to make his own decisions is causing a lot of rifts here. Even I found myself exchanging insults with someone I've never even conversed with. Which was fine because neither of us really cared, but that's besides the point - TM needs to weigh in on where he stands, since he's been silent since page 4.
Having children with any woman can be a mixed bag regardless of how well intentioned or prepared.
BIG ARCH kinda backed into the whole daddy deal and seems quite happy (in his posted experience on it).
So, it can be this incredible, joyful albeit somewhat stressful and overwhelming experience.
That's the up side of parenting.
The reality is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most had kids during their marriage.
For most men this results to be tethered to some resentful, bitchy woman for the next 10-20 yrs .
Plus, you'll fork over some child support and alimony in the process.
I've observed plenty of beaten down men, meeting their former spouse to car pool or exchange kids at some McDonald's lot . The poor bastard looks stressed to the max and depressed. The kids are screaming for a Happy Meal and the ex-wife is a real McBitch. He trudges off with the diaper bag and various kid items for his 2x month weekend with daddy.
Yes, my dear getbiggers, having kids can be a joyful lifestyle for a few lucky ones.
Most end up like the divorced dad, getting kids for the weekend at the McDonald's from ex wife McBitch.
If it's worth that lifestyle, have at it.
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Newsflash Prime - this is getbig and that last "all anal" suggestion was an obvious JOKE.
Not all posts on getbig are serious or factual.
Hope this helps
I know this is Getbig. Regardless of what seems okay to post here, your "obvious joke" demeans your wife. Some folks have limits. You apparently do not.
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Having children with any woman can be a mixed bag regardless of how well intentioned or prepared.
BIG ARCH kinda backed into the whole daddy deal and seems quite happy (in his posted experience on it).
So, it can be this incredible, joyful albeit somewhat stressful and overwhelming experience.
That's the up side of parenting.
The reality is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most had kids during their marriage.
For most men this results to be tethered to some resentful, bitchy woman for the next 10-20 yrs .
Plus, you'll fork over some child support and alimony in the process.
I've observed plenty of beaten down men, meeting their former spouse to car pool or exchange kids at some McDonald's lot . The poor bastard looks stressed to the max and depressed. The kids are screaming for a Happy Meal and the ex-wife is a real McBitch. He trudges off with the diaper bag and various kid items for his 2x month weekend with daddy.
Yes, my dear getbiggers, having kids can be a joyful lifestyle for a few lucky ones.
Most end up like the divorced dad, getting kids for the weekend at the McDonald's from ex wife McBitch.
If it's worth that lifestyle, have at it.
Howard, you should note one thing tho' - you have great genes and are a good looking man (no homo), for ppl like you there aren't really much issues in getting a partner at any age so the stress/fears of "oh my, I'm gonna end up alone" simply does not exist or have a lot less impact on these decisions. Most are analysing/looking at this thing from a wrong perspective, usualy emotionally based.
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I know this is Getbig. Regardless of what seems okay to post here, your "obvious joke" demeans your wife. Some folks have limits. You apparently do not.
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Howard, you should note one thing tho' - you have great genes and are a good looking man (no homo), for ppl like you there aren't really much issues in getting a partner at any age so the stress/fears of "oh my, I'm gonna end up alone" simply does not exist or have a lot less impact on these decisions. Most are analysing/looking at this thing from a wrong perspective, usualy emotionally based.
There was a lengthy digression going on in this thread. Thanks for getting it back on track.
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Here come the scriptures :) Bolded and in italics, too.
I am not surprised you take this personally, as any criticism of your worldview, must by necessity, be a criticism of you.
There is no God and I am not supressing anything. You cannot act on something that does not exist. You cannot prove the existence of God to a person who doesn't already believe in God, or as you put it, has "surrendered". The Muslims use a similar term, "submit". The dramatic tone is necessary because in order to believe in such a childish and absurd concept as God, you need to get rid of anything inside you that could oppose God. There is no room in religion for critical faculties, except the ones dictated by religion. If religious people were free to think as they pleased, they might change religion to something that does not resemble religion. This is the argument of the Great Inquisitor in Dostoevsky. Religious people must live and die happily in ignorance. The strong few who know the truth, the leaders of your church, sacrifice themselves to save their flock from the "world".
No goalposts have been moved because the message has been the same all along. God almost certainly does not exist and religion fosters ignorance.
I have no shame of scripture whatsoever. Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture? Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ? It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.
I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture. :)
FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"
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I have no shame of scripture whatsoever. Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture? Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ? It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.
I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture. :)
FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"
Question, do you have kids? If not, do you want them?
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I have no shame of scripture whatsoever. Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture? Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ? It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.
I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture. :)
FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"
You are a weak man addicted to an aritificial buzz created by your own imagination. No need to continue all this, if not god you'd have most probably been dead for a long time already as you coldn't handle life with a sober mind for a longer time.
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This like telling someone that they cannot have an opinion on Scientology because they haven't been trying to reach Operating Thetan level. It would be absurd to take the Bible seriously because it is the folklore of ancient times.
These are universally accepted truths. Religiosity rates have been falling across the civilized world because people come to realise them.
God does not exist. It is a superstition.
Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children. Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO
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It's always those "not interested in religion" that have the most to say about religion.
That's because they know the most about it, hence the reason for having 'no interest". The more one learns about religion, the more irrational and ridiculous it becomes and the reality dawns that only a desperate or misguided fool could cling to faith rather than reason.
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Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children. Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO
Agreed.
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Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children. Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO
This ^^^^^^ Dead On!!
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This ^^^^^^ Dead On!!
The OP asked for some serious help in solving a personal dilemma having to do with marriage and children. Your off topic conversations about religion offer him no pertinent insight. Move the religious talk to the thread intended for it.
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The OP asked for some serious help in solving a personal dilemma having to do with marriage and children. Your off topic conversations about religion offer him no pertinent insight. Move the religious talk to the thread intended for it.
Yeah, and we are telling him not to abuse a child if he has one through religious indoctrination. One couldn't receive better advice regarding the issue of child rearing. How many lives are destroyed because parents force feed their religious irrationality down some poor childs throats, not to mention priests forcing something else down the child's throat.
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Having children with any woman can be a mixed bag regardless of how well intentioned or prepared.
BIG ARCH kinda backed into the whole daddy deal and seems quite happy (in his posted experience on it).
So, it can be this incredible, joyful albeit somewhat stressful and overwhelming experience.
That's the up side of parenting.
The reality is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most had kids during their marriage.
For most men this results to be tethered to some resentful, bitchy woman for the next 10-20 yrs .
Plus, you'll fork over some child support and alimony in the process.
I've observed plenty of beaten down men, meeting their former spouse to car pool or exchange kids at some McDonald's lot . The poor bastard looks stressed to the max and depressed. The kids are screaming for a Happy Meal and the ex-wife is a real McBitch. He trudges off with the diaper bag and various kid items for his 2x month weekend with daddy.
Yes, my dear getbiggers, having kids can be a joyful lifestyle for a few lucky ones.
Most end up like the divorced dad, getting kids for the weekend at the McDonald's from ex wife McBitch.
If it's worth that lifestyle, have at it.
Thanks Howard....very helpful......
......just like the other 4 thousand times you've posted a version of this exact same thing.
More importantly, what happened to this thread? Why are 2/3 of it gone?
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I think it got too de-railed and religious.
Therefore it was cut.
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I have no shame of scripture whatsoever. Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture?
Using scripture to prove the existence of God is the height of absurdity.
It is like saying that Xenu exists because L. Ron Hubbard says so.
You are not arguing with a "believer" here and even if you were it would make no sense. The more religion is examined the more of its nonsensical and ludicrous nature is revealed.
Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ? It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.
I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture. :)
FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"
Your beliefs are not offensive to me. Submitting or surrendering to an entity that does not exist can only have deleterious effects in my opinion, apart from very specific circumstances, such as severe alcohol/drug addictions. There is nothing wrong with it, either. Clearly religion is used as a crutch, but if it helps a person to their own two feet, at least it is better than the previous situation. On an otherwise healthy person, including those that are born into a religious practice, religion is a useless burden, likely to hold them back in numerous ways. Many more people leave organised religion than join it, which explains why rates of religiosity have been steadily decreasing. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/atheism-rise-religiosity-decline-in-america_n_1777031.html)
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Trust some mod with a stick up their arse to fuck up a perfectly good thread.
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So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.
I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.
Nothing.
Zero.
Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.
The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.
MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.
You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whomever.
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I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.
Nothing.
Zero.
Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.
The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.
MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.
You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whoever.
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I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.
Nothing.
Zero.
Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.
The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.
MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.
You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whomever.
LOL, I know others might buy your ploy here, but you and I both know the truth. :)
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There were some other Raymondo, Radical Plato and vinci guy posts insulting me...I glossed it. Just standard atheist hate....not worth noting beyond this.
Still pray the Lord blesses each of you and yours.
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Howard I still owe you some replies. When I'm not as tired I'll be sure and do that.
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Question, do you have kids? If not, do you want them?
Yes I have a daughter about to turn 6. We'd love to have another child. Then I'll finally be a real parent LOL!
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There were no personal attacks from my side.
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LOL, I know others might buy your ploy here, but you and I both know the truth. :)
Have no idea what you're suggesting. That my story is false? "You and I both know"? Know what?
I don't know you.
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There were no personal attacks from my side.
yes of course....only truths. I forget atheists never attack or insult.
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Have no idea what you're suggesting. That my story is false? "You and I both know"? Know what?
I don't know you.
you know exactly what I'm saying....have a good night.
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Criticising God and religion does not constitute a personal attack.
Here is a good definition (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html) of what does.
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you know exactly what I'm saying....have a good night.
Uh, OK. Goodnight.
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Criticising God and religion does not constitute a personal attack.
Here is a good definition (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html) of what does.
Believers are indwelt by the spirit of God. Believers are in personal relationship with God who has revealed himself to believers via special revelation that nonbelievers don't understand. Believers represent there God and submit fully to the will of God. The believer's personal life is an extension of God. It is absolutely personal.
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Believers are indwelt by the spirit of God. Believers are in personal relationship with God who has revealed himself to believers via special revelation that nonbelievers don't understand. Believers represent there God and submit fully to the will of God. The believer's personal life is an extension of God. It is absolutely personal.
Okay, you're just fucked in the head, fella.
If "you and I (me) know the truth", why don't you just expose the truth, whatever you feel it is (?), here, now?
You just spout what you do towards me because my original post destroys your believers-are-indwelt-by-the-spirit-of-God/God-who-has-revealed-himself-to-believers rantings.
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Okay, you're just fucked in the head, fella.
If "you and I (me) know the truth", why don't you just expose the truth, whatever you feel it is (?), here, now?
You just spout what you do towards me because my original post destroys your believers-are-indwelt-by-the-spirit-of-God/God-who-has-revealed-himself-to-believers rantings.
Other former theists have had the same experience as you, such as Matt Dillahunty, from the Atheist Experience.
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It is impossible to have a personal relationship with God, because:
1) The word personal denotes a relationship between two persons and God is not a person and
2) God does not exist in the first place.
This is an example of anthropomorphising God and the ramifications are terrible.
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I Think the question that never gets asked regarding GOD's existence is "Why does it even matter?". It's observably obvious that if their was a creative force that it doesn't intervene in human affairs, this being does not prevent the inherent human suffering that is part of every human beings life. You will still fall ill, still get old, still suffer persistently until you enter the unknowable after you leave this existence. Even if there was a god it has no influence on humanity, it is irrelevant. Saying you believe in god is as meaningful as saying you believe in some unnamed planet in some unknown galaxy in some unknown parallel universe, who gives a fuck, life goes on regardless.
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I just birthed a massive fart after a labor intensive straining.
Constipated?
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Yeah, and we are telling him not to abuse a child if he has one through religious indoctrination. One couldn't receive better advice regarding the issue of child rearing. How many lives are destroyed because parents force feed their religious irrationality down some poor childs throats, not to mention priests forcing something else down the child's throat.
The innuendo is not lost on me. Not all priests are guilty of being pedophiles. Furthermore, you have no way of knowing the nature of the sexual abuse some priests perpetuated on young people.
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Okay, you're just fucked in the head, fella.
If "you and I (me) know the truth", why don't you just expose the truth, whatever you feel it is (?), here, now?
You just spout what you do towards me because my original post destroys your believers-are-indwelt-by-the-spirit-of-God/God-who-has-revealed-himself-to-believers rantings.
How is he? I find it odd how people pound out the negativity on someone like MOS, yet he is the one with the problem?
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2b. Most women want to have kids basically to control another life. Sad but true.
Sad but this is true. Also they want to control the man like this.
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Sad but this is true. Also they want to control the man like this.
Yes, but...
just don't let them.
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Issac Newton, founder of modern physics was a devote man of faith and ordained Anglican (protestant) minister.
Newton said ( paraphrase) ; " I wanted to understand how GOD, the father, made the Universe work."
Thus, I see no ignorance in having faith.
FYI, in my humble opinion, it seems a lot more arrogant to be a total atheist.
Issac Newton died a virgin.
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I hope he can appreciate my Getbig-jokes & opinions, should I ever meet him...
sound like you are scared. Funny how the cowards always hide behind stupid names 8)
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Sir Issac crushed mad ass. Wenches love titled gentry, yo.
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Issac Newton, founder of modern physics was a devote man of faith and ordained Anglican (protestant) minister.
Newton said ( paraphrase) ; " I wanted to understand how GOD, the father, made the Universe work."
Thus, I see no ignorance in having faith.
FYI, in my humble opinion, it seems a lot more arrogant to be a total atheist.
Issac Newton died a virgin.
Had he lost his virginity he would have understood how the universe worked. ;D
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I know this is Getbig. Regardless of what seems okay to post here, your "obvious joke" demeans your wife. Some folks have limits. You apparently do not.
Wow :D
For me, making goofy fart or butt sex jokes may be goofy and in poor taste .
BUT, c'mon, anyone who thinks it's a serious reflection on my wife takes this stuff way too serious.
Think about it, please:
99% here don't even post under their actual name.
How the hell can anyone take that posting format all that serious and honest.
FYI, it's meant t be goofy, tasteless and FUN!
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Funny how this thread regressed into a bible/god discussion.
Back on topic...
Kids are mostly annoying. For every 1 cute thing a kid does, they do 1000 other things that drive you up a wall.
The average cost of raising a child today is around $400K-500K... a lot more than that if you intend on paying their college tuition. That amount only increases as time goes by.
Having a child with a woman ties you to her for life. 60% of all marriages fail. Divorce/child support is a very costly thing.
People are better off NOT having children.
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well all i can say is my two sons are the best thing that happened to me. I was present at both Births. ItŽs funny now looking at them as Grown Men of 26/23. I am getting old, 50 in May :)
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Funny how this thread regressed into a bible/god discussion.
Back on topic...
Kids are mostly annoying. For every 1 cute thing a kid does, they do 1000 other things that drive you up a wall.
The average cost of raising a child today is around $400K-500K... a lot more than that if you intend on paying their college tuition. That amount only increases as time goes by.
Having a child with a woman ties you to her for life. 60% of all marriages fail. Divorce/child support is a very costly thing.
People are better off NOT having children.
"Better off" is only true if you apply your own personal subjectivity to what that means. To each his own on that definition.
60% of marriages? Do you have a link to that? Quick googles have a variety of articles that say the 50% is a myth, and it's dropping due to people now waiting until older to marry. I could easily be wrong as I haven't done any deep research though...
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Funny how this thread regressed into a bible/god discussion.
Back on topic...
Kids are mostly annoying. For every 1 cute thing a kid does, they do 1000 other things that drive you up a wall.
The average cost of raising a child today is around $400K-500K... a lot more than that if you intend on paying their college tuition. That amount only increases as time goes by.
Having a child with a woman ties you to her for life. 60% of all marriages fail. Divorce/child support is a very costly thing.
People are better off NOT having children.
I posted in the original thread about kids, said nothing about God, my faith was then randomly questioned, and religion attacked, and my faith attacked until I finally addressed the comments.
It was at the point that I finally mentioned God that the thread was split LOL. It's fine, the mods are managing stuff best they can.
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that the thread was split LOL.
Where's the rest of it?
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"Better off" is only true if you apply your own personal subjectivity to what that means. To each his own on that definition.
60% of marriages? Do you have a link to that? Quick googles have a variety of articles that say the 50% is a myth, and it's dropping due to people now waiting until older to marry. I could easily be wrong as I haven't done any deep research though...
NOBODY gets married with the "intention" of it ending in divorce.
But, (trust me on this ;), they often do.
The infamous 50% divorce rate is complied by dividing divorces filed / new marriages per county in the US.
In other words of 50 divorce decrees were issued in a county that performed 100 new marriages, the rate is figured as 50/100 or 50% divorce.
This is basic statistics, and may not apply to all individual situations.
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Where's the rest of it?
middle of page 2 of the G&O:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=596467.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=596467.0)
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Usually those who say to stay out of relationships, not get married, and not have kids, are those who picked the wrong woman or suck themselves.
Right, if you are dysfunctional in maintain a relationship with women or are so self-absorbed that you suck at raising kids, then don't have them! The rest just bitch because they got unlucky with a basket case woman or thought they would get their precious beauty sleep and not have their individual joys not infringed upon--kind of like still living single--when they had kids. So they tell everyone else not to.
Then if one to profess that they actually love their wife, in-laws, and kids and enjoy being married there are the old and tired cliches for them, "You'll see: you're kids are gonna hate you and your wife is gonna cheat on you. How ya gonna save money? They're so expensive."
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Issac Newton died a virgin.
He may have been gay. 100% serious on this.
He had one close, friend , based on actual letters written and received.
This one younger French math genius named Fatio , was advisied by Newton at Cambridge Univ, where Newton was the Lucasian Prof. of Math.
Newton had almost no social life and didn't like most people. BUT, from the letters and other accounts, it's obvious that Newton and Fatio were close.
When Fatio left England , Newton had a meltdown.
He even wrote a reply letter to the newspaper when a rival published a story that Newton was running around with various woman. Newton wrote he wished the guy dead after he "embroilied" him for being with woman.
Hmmmm>?
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I'm quite surprised by the amount of people here who don't want kids. I'm 27 now but I know I'd feel pretty empty if I still don't have a family by the time I'm in my mid 40's.
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Usually those who say to stay out of relationships, not get married, and not have kids, are those who picked the wrong woman or suck themselves.
If I could suck myself I wouldn't need the woman.
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If I could suck myself I wouldn't need the woman.
LOL nice one.
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NOBODY gets married with the "intention" of it ending in divorce.
But, (trust me on this ;), they often do.
The infamous 50% divorce rate is complied by dividing divorces filed / new marriages per county in the US.
In other words of 50 divorce decrees were issued in a county that performed 100 new marriages, the rate is figured as 50/100 or 50% divorce.
This is basic statistics, and may not apply to all individual situations.
While I appreciate the 5th grade math lesson, I'm asking for a link that supports his 60% claim.
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Usually those who say to stay out of relationships, not get married, and not have kids, are those who picked the wrong woman or suck themselves.
Right, if you are dysfunctional in maintain a relationship with women or are so self-absorbed that you suck at raising kids, then don't have them! The rest just bitch because they got unlucky with a basket case woman or thought they would get their precious beauty sleep and not have their individual joys not infringed upon--kind of like still living single--when they had kids. So they tell everyone else not to.
Then if one to profess that they actually love their wife, in-laws, and kids and enjoy being married there are the old and tired cliches for them, "You'll see: you're kids are gonna hate you and your wife is gonna cheat on you. How ya gonna save money? They're so expensive."
Good post. BUT there is a huge difference between getting married and having kids.
1. If a marriage fails, both adults can split and dissolve the relationship for good on reasonable terms.
Keep your head and agree to split , then file. You leave , free and clear .
2. With children, it's not so easy. The father is legally responsible for the children. This means you will be child support/and possibly alimony to a bitter, disgruntled spouse for 10-15 years.
This is the risk you take if you have kids.
Plus, be prepared for sleepless nights when they're babies and never having your own life with your wife.
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While I appreciate the 5th grade math lesson, I'm asking for a link that supports his 60% claim.
LOL, I could give some detailed linear regression analysis but this is getbig, c'mon LOL
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I would like to know if any of you Americanos have a sister i can impregnate 8) pass my Scottish seed on..my gift to the US.
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LOL, I could give some detailed linear regression analysis but this is getbig, c'mon LOL
So could I.
If you want to talk linear weights, predictive statistical modeling in baseball, etc feel free to visit the sports forum and make a case.
But that's off topic.
People throw around a lot of statements that are largely accepted here as truths, but never proven. "Most" marriages end in divorce..."Most" have kids....50%, now 60%....etc...i finally decided to take a quick look. I didn't see that. I saw a bunch of stuff talking about those stats being exaggerated.
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I would like to know if any of you Americanos have a sister i can impregnate 8) pass my Scottish seed on..my gift to the US.
Hmmm, she died 4 yrs ago and was cremated. I guess my sis is out of the running for your stud service ???
BUT, I'm still available for semen donations. :o
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So could I.
If you want to talk linear weights, predictive statistical modeling in baseball, etc feel free to visit the sports forum and make a case.
But that's off topic.
People throw around a lot of statements that are largely accepted here as truths, but never proven. "Most" marriages end in divorce..."Most" have kids....50%, now 60%....etc...i finally decided to take a quick look. I didn't see that. I saw a bunch of stuff talking about those stats being exaggerated.
Exactly!
I can tell ya from experience that most people are ignorant about applied math and how statistics are calculated.
For example , let's say the avg family has 3.3 kids, what the fuk does that really mean?
0.3 of a person doesn't exist, so it really means 30%
30% will have 4 ( or more) kids, 70% will have 3 ( or less) kids.
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let's say the avg family has 3.3 kids, what the fuk does that really mean?
easy.
3 kids and a 3 month old embryo.
will be full kid in 6 months time.
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Hmmm, she died 4 yrs ago and was cremated. I guess my sis is out of the running for your stud service ???
BUT, I'm still available for semen donations. :o
Thanks for the offer Howie .. i am touched by your camaraderie but iŽll pass :-X ;D ask Dropping plates he will take your load ;)
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easy.
3 kids and a 3 month old embryo.
will be full kid in 6 months time.
This is why I love getbig. :D
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Thanks for the offer Howie .. i am touched by your camaraderie but iŽll pass :-X ;D ask Dropping plates he will take your load ;)
My getbig status sucks so bad, that my offer to suck...just plain sucks :'(
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My getbig status sucks so bad, that my offer to suck...just plain sucks :'(
Talking of sucking.. i have a little rendezvous with a woman tomorrow and when she gives head she grinds with her Teeth :-\ has a beautiful tight pussy though. Reminds me of a friend who told me he was fucking a woman who had stretch marks on her belly(fully normal after children) so he said i just do her doggy so i donŽt see them ;D
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Good post. BUT there is a huge difference between getting married and having kids.
1. If a marriage fails, both adults can split and dissolve the relationship for good on reasonable terms.
Keep your head and agree to split , then file. You leave , free and clear .
2. With children, it's not so easy. The father is legally responsible for the children. This means you will be child support/and possibly alimony to a bitter, disgruntled spouse for 10-15 years.
This is the risk you take if you have kids.
Plus, be prepared for sleepless nights when they're babies and never having your own life with your wife.
That's right! Grown men with responsibilities to others do not have "their own life". The whole concept of "own life" are for those who should remain single and do as they damn please! Once you establish strong connections with other human beings, there is no "own life" as a relationship, even a close friendship, is a two-way concept. Same goes for taking care of older relatives. If one wants their own life, then he can go to a remote island. My wife is part of my life. And so will my future kids. It will be OUR lives.
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This is why I love getbig. :D
;D
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That's right! Grown men with responsibilities to others do not have "their own life". The whole concept of "own life" are for those who should remain single and do as they damn please! Once you establish strong connections with other human beings, there is no "own life" as a relationship, even a close friendship, is a two-way concept. Same goes for taking care of older relatives. If one wants their own life, then he can go to a remote island. My wife is part of my life. And so will my future kids. It will be OUR lives.
Translation: I'm tired, bitter and desperate. Must be all that chore from a "family life".
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That's right! Grown men with responsibilities to others do not have "their own life". The whole concept of "own life" are for those who should remain single and do as they damn please! Once you establish strong connections with other human beings, there is no "own life" as a relationship, even a close friendship, is a two-way concept. Same goes for taking care of older relatives. If one wants their own life, then he can go to a remote island. My wife is part of my life. And so will my future kids. It will be OUR lives.
Ok?
Obviously, plenty of good men, love being devoted fathers.
BUT, selfless , genuine LOVE can take different forms as you pointed out.
Believe it or not, I recently spent 2 weeks at my mother's side as she faded away from this earth.
It wasn't fun, but it was one of the most meaningful experiences of my life.
My wife and I were there at her time of need out of love , pure and simple.
Nobody made me do it and I felt honored to be the one she wanted at her side during this time.
I don't need a medal or pat on the back to make me feel good about my actions.
I wanted to do it, so with my Mom's blessing , I did. That's all that matters in my book.
If someone wants to raise kids and loves doing it, that's great.
What bugs me, is how some act "morally superior" to childless by choice couples ( like me/wife).
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Translation: I'm tired, bitter and desperate. Must be all that chore from a "family life".
Yup! I detest the holier then thou, "you're selfish " if won't sacrifice for kids and family , attitude.
C'mon, if you love you life, and feel good about it, that's wonderful.
But why do some feel the need to put down those that took a less stressful path?
I can't read their minds, but it reeks of being jealous and bitter?
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Yup! I detest the holier then thou, "you're selfish " if won't sacrifice for kids and family , attitude.
C'mon, if you love you life, and feel good about it, that's wonderful.
But why do some feel the need to put down those that took a less stressful path?
I can't read their minds, but it reeks of being jealous and bitter?
Exactly that.
There are really happy ppl with families, rare case (and that is sad, I'm not happy about this fact of life at all. It'd be nice if life would be according to how people WANT it to be, and not how it usualy ends up), but I know a few. You'd never hear anything like that from them, they are lucky and just doing their thing. And I'm talking about males in this case, guys who were really suited for that kind of life. Not very bright, not very analytical, just good hearted fellas who love to come back from work and spend time with their kids (as not much other interests they have anyway). These are usualy the very good, loving and sacrificing parents, I like seeing that, I know that I'm simply not that kind of a person, but it's good, it'd be boring if everyone were the same.
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Ok?
Obviously, plenty of good men, love being devoted fathers.
BUT, selfless , genuine LOVE can take different forms as you pointed out.
Believe it or not, I recently spent 2 weeks at my mother's side as she faded away from this earth.
It wasn't fun, but it was one of the most meaningful experiences of my life.
My wife and I were there at her time of need out of love , pure and simple.
Nobody made me do it and I felt honored to be the one she wanted at her side during this time.
I don't need a medal or pat on the back to make me feel good about my actions.
I wanted to do it, so with my Mom's blessing , I did. That's all that matters in my book.
If someone wants to raise kids and loves doing it, that's great.
What bugs me, is how some act "morally superior" to childless by choice couples ( like me/wife).
I'll take this.
I don't think there's anything wrong with couples who do not want kids, nor do I think I will be holier than the next guy when I have kids.
What I do find asinine is the whole concept of "not having one's own life" when one does have kids. It's like, "Duh, no shit--I will have to give up quite a bit when I have kids." That's life.
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....as not much other interests they have anyway..
Oh really now?
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Oh really now?
If you are a good parent - not much time for other activities, well unless you are filthy rich and don't have to work much. That's my personal and subjective observation, I MAY be completely wrong. But I don't put that as a negative thing anyway, some people are naturally like that and they usualy make great parents.
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Exactly that.
There are really happy ppl with families, rare case (and that is sad, I'm not happy about this fact of life at all. It'd be nice if life would be according to how people WANT it to be, and not how it usualy ends up), but I know a few. You'd never hear anything like that from them, they are lucky and just doing their thing. And I'm talking about males in this case, guys who were really suited for that kind of life. Not very bright, not very analytical, just good hearted fellas who love to come back from work and spend time with their kids (as not much other interests they have anyway). These are usualy the very good, loving and sacrificing parents, I like seeing that, I know that I'm simply not that kind of a person, but it's good, it'd be boring if everyone were the same.
Good, thoughtful post.
I get annoyed by bitter mom's acting like you must help them , just because they had kids.
In a BB related idea, it chaps my ass when some meathead says they are competing for some higher purpose.
I've seen countless bikini bimbos with various heroic statements ,emblazoned on their gym attire :D
Sorry sweety, it's not a courageous , heroic act to train/ diet , so your ass and thighs to look good.
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Exactly that.
There are really happy ppl with families, rare case (and that is sad, I'm not happy about this fact of life at all. It'd be nice if life would be according to how people WANT it to be, and not how it usualy ends up), but I know a few. You'd never hear anything like that from them, they are lucky and just doing their thing. And I'm talking about males in this case, guys who were really suited for that kind of life. Not very bright, not very analytical, just good hearted fellas who love to come back from work and spend time with their kids (as not much other interests they have anyway). These are usualy the very good, loving and sacrificing parents, I like seeing that, I know that I'm simply not that kind of a person, but it's good, it'd be boring if everyone were the same.
Because you know a few like this it must be true for most, right?
And Howard is agreeing with you lockstep, so draw your own conclusions from that.
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I'll take this.
I don't think there's anything wrong with couples who do not want kids, nor do I think I will be holier than the next guy when I have kids.
What I do find asinine is the whole concept of "not having one's own life" when one does have kids. It's like, "Duh, no shit--I will have to give up quite a bit when I have kids." That's life.
Yes, that's true but it's a lifestyle you and your wife are CHOOSING to make.
If it works for you ,great.
Just remember others may make different choices that work for them.
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Good, thoughtful post.
I get annoyed by bitter mom's acting like you must help them , just because they had kids.
In a BB related idea, it chaps my ass when some meathead says they are competing for some higher purpose.
I've seen countless bikini bimbos with various heroic statements ,emblazoned on their gym attire :D
Sorry sweety, it's not a courageous , heroic act to train/ diet , so your ass and thighs to look good.
True on both points. "Going to the war"and stuff - lol... what a fukkin joke. I haven't posted a single such shit after years and years of training, even tho' I could post selfies with my own quotes all day long as I've really developed a pretty awesome physique, but that's just stupid.
Regarding moms - I personally know one very nice female who's like 55 now. Her son has two kids and his wife is nagging the said woman that she should spend less time "for fun" (she deserved to have fun big time) and help to watch their kids instead. It boils my blood, ffs, who have asked to have these kids if you can't take care of them in the first place??
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Because you know a few like this it must be true for most, right?
And Howard is agreeing with you lockstep, so draw your own conclusions from that.
From what I've red here - Howard is pretty damn lucky fella with not much worries in life. Quite a contrary from most guys his age that I know. I think he's doing something right, no bitterness, no anger, he actually sounds happier than me and I'm pretty damn happy with my life, that tells something too.
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From what I've red here - Howard is pretty damn lucky fella with not much worries in life. Quite a contrary from most guys his age that I know. I think he's doing something right, no bitterness, no anger, he actually sounds happier than me and I'm pretty damn happy with my life, that tells something too.
I get that. It's a sample size of TWO, but fine. No argument there.
But there's plenty of happy people with families as well. For you to categorize those who find happiness in that context as either less dynamic, intelligent, etc..is just wrong. It may not be your intent, but a lot of your stuff reads as if you have to convince yourself that for people to be happy with a wife and kids, they must have certain shortcomings as men.
It's like those who can't just enjoy their Playstation, they have to believe the XBox sucks too.
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From what I've red here - Howard is pretty damn lucky fella with not much worries in life. Quite a contrary from most guys his age that I know. I think he's doing something right, no bitterness, no anger, he actually sounds happier than me and I'm pretty damn happy with my life, that tells something too.
Do you really know this many middled age men who are bitter and angry. I am not beefing with you in this post, seriously. It just seems like you really have encountered THAT MANY embittered people. Have you really not met any middle class men with kids and a wife and an ordinary job who are NOT miserable? Perhaps you and I meet very different people considering I know quite a few men in their 40's and 50's who have hobbies, are intelligent, make decent livings, are decent parents, and so on, who are not running around angry, complaining, and worn down.
Take my close friend who is a former pro competitor who now has a one year old son. He's 41 years old. He is smart, has diverse interests, has a decent job (but not rich), still loves exercising (mores to keep in shape these days and for fun), and has close friends and loves his wife and is very dedicated to his kid. Are such people that rare?
I actually know of quite a few married guys with kids, wives, and high paying careers (not stinking rich, but VERY good) in their 50's who are still very physically active and happy.
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I get that. It's a sample size of TWO, but fine. No argument there.
But there's plenty of happy people with families as well. For you to categorize those who find happiness in that context as either less dynamic, intelligent, etc..is just wrong. It may not be your intent, but a lot of your stuff reads as if you have to convince yourself that for people to be happy with a wife and kids, they must have certain shortcomings as men.
It's like those who can't just enjoy their Playstation, they have to believe the XBox sucks too.
As I've stated - only my SUBJECTIVE experience, I may be wrong. However - kids take lots of time, on that could agree most. I doubt a lot I would be able to manage three work projects, workout like a madman and travel/have plenty of other fun, post on GETBIG (!) AND be a responsible/good parent at the same time.
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As I've stated - only my SUBJECTIVE experience, I may be wrong. However - kids take lots of time, on that could agree most. I doubt a lot I would be able to manage three work projects, workout like a madman and travel/have plenty of other fun, post on GETBIG (!) AND be a responsible/good parent at the same time.
I manage to..
Maybe I'm just exceptional. ;D
But remember the time commitment varies depending on the age of the children.
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Do you really know this many middled age men who are bitter and angry. I am not beefing with you in this post, seriously. It just seems like you really have encountered THAT MANY embittered people. Have you really not met any middle class men with kids and a wife and an ordinary job who are NOT miserable? Perhaps you and I meet very different people considering I know quite a few men in their 40's and 50's who have hobbies, are intelligent, make decent livings, are decent parents, and so on, who are not running around angry, complaining, and worn down.
Take my close friend who is a former pro competitor who now has a one year old son. He's 41 years old. He is smart, has diverse interests, has a decent job (but not rich), still loves exercising (mores to keep in shape these days and for fun), and has close friends and loves his wife and is very dedicated to his kid. Are such people that rare?
I actually know of quite a few married guys with kids, wives, and high paying careers (not stinking rich, but VERY good) in their 50's who are still very physically active and happy.
I know two. They are intelligent, have some fun and take a very good care of their kids. yes - they are still constantly overworked and tired/stressed out but seem to be happy. If I'd talk about people that I enjoy spending my time and talk constantly - they doesn't cut it, regardless, they just haven't had time to read/learn/do as much and just can't keep up, that's how it is and it is natural/expected. I would not like to be one of them, that's all I know, yet I find these people a good example and a possible way of life. The sad part is - they are really rare cases... somewhy. Probably because of human nature. We eant life to be one way, to believe "happily ever after" and all that stuff... but somewhy - it's not the case usualy. The amount of people that have been divorcing in the last ten years, who were in a marriage for 20-35-40 years is pretty crazy, I think ppl go out of their mind. Some of the used to tell me that I should marry too. Now they keep silent. I do not like this state of affairs.
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I manage to..
Maybe I'm just exceptional. ;D
But remember the time commitment varies depending on the age of the children.
Maybe. I hardly imagine being a good parent and living as free as I live tho'. But it's all good, we need good parents so less of bad people grow up around.
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Good, thoughtful post.
I get annoyed by bitter mom's acting like you must help them , just because they had kids.
In a BB related idea, it chaps my ass when some meathead says they are competing for some higher purpose.
I've seen countless bikini bimbos with various heroic statements ,emblazoned on their gym attire :D
Sorry sweety, it's not a courageous , heroic act to train/ diet , so your ass and thighs to look good.
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Maybe. I hardly imagine being a good parent and living as free as I live tho'. But it's all good, we need good parents so less of bad people grow up around.
Can't say - not sure how you live - I mean it seems you're doing well - working, dating, travel, clothes....but you'd have to give up SOMETHINGS to be a parent. Not sure if it's fair to apply the freedoms of a single man to that of a married one with kids. The math doesn't work.
Like BBS said though, it depends on the circles you run it....most I know are successful, happy families, in terms of marriage, kids, work, etc....so maybe my context is skewed too.
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Can't say - not sure how you live - I mean it seems you're doing well - working, dating, travel, clothes....but you'd have to give up SOMETHINGS to be a parent. Not sure if it's fair to apply the freedoms of a single man to that of a married one with kids. The math doesn't work.
Like BBS said though, it depends on the circles you run it....most I know are successful, happy families, in terms of marriage, kids, work, etc....so maybe my context is skewed too.
Just don't forget we have statistics too (which are objective). Things doesn't look pretty... sadly. It'd be nice if relathionships and long term marriages would be much easier eh?
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Just don't forget we have statistics too (which are objective). Things doesn't look pretty... sadly. It'd be nice if relathionships and long term marriages would be much easier eh?
Not forgetting - i've been asking for links on the stats if you check the prior page.
But stats need context too.
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Not forgetting - i've been asking for links on the stats if you check the prior page.
But stats need context too.
They change depending on a country/part of the world, but general situation is far from optimistic. Anyway, time for some rest for me now, all is good as long as noone is harming noone, and discussions/experiences are good, sometimes the truth comes out of them.
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They change depending on a country/part of the world, but general situation is far from optimistic. Anyway, time for some rest for me now, all is good as long as noone is harming noone, and discussions/experiences are good, sometimes the truth comes out of them.
Stats at worst are 50/50, but my quick 5 minutes of googling showed many articles stating that those numbers are overblown and incorrect. And another poster posted 60% today.
And I'm not saying the numbers are rosy either....I just dislike when assumptions painted with broad brushes are portrayed as absolutes.
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How is he? I find it odd how people pound out the negativity on someone like MOS, yet he is the one with the problem?
It's quite alright. I pray for those that ridicule and mock me. I don't find fault in them for things they don't understand. Discussions can get heated at times, but I still love them with a love grounded in Jesus Christ.
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If you are a good parent - not much time for other activities, well unless you are filthy rich and don't have to work much. That's my personal and subjective observation, I MAY be completely wrong. But I don't put that as a negative thing anyway, some people are naturally like that and they usualy make great parents.
so what activities do you and most grownups over 30 without kids do on a regular basis that people with kids cant do without being a poor parent ?
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so what activities do you and most grownups over 30 without kids do on a regular basis that people with kids cant do without being a poor parent ?
Like errrr... going to the gym on a dailee basis :D
As an example, a female colleague (and milf) of mine loves to stay in shape, but since her boyfriend is already working out 5-6x/week, so she has only one day for a workout herself.
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It's quite alright. I pray for those that ridicule and mock me. I don't find fault in them for things they don't understand. Discussions can get heated at times, but I still love them with a love grounded in Jesus Christ.
More and more people come to understand that God does not exist and religion is irrelevant.
Looks like I captured the contempt before you were able to edit the post this time.
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More and more people come to understand that God does not exist and religion is irrelevant.
Looks like I captured the contempt before you were able to edit the post this time.
lol at we do not understand God or religion. We are just so lost. MOS has life all figured out. ::) ::) What will we do? How will we live? We will obviously wander around aimlessly with absolutely no direction. :D :D
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lol at we do not understand God or religion. We are just so lost. MOS has life all figured out. ::) ::) What will we do? How will we live? We will obviously wander around aimlessly with absolutely no direction. :D :D
Haha, yes, we'll be alright though because he will pray for us :)
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Haha, yes, we'll be alright though because he will pray for us :)
I already feel his prayers working. My life has already changed.
In before MOS says something like, "I will continue to pray for everyone here and love all of you. I hope you surrender yourself to God and find his love. If not, the ending will be tragic." Typical cliche stuff.
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Sniffing the religion drug can be fatal...
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If I could suck myself I wouldn't need the woman.
Same. I'm just not that flexible plus my dick isn't monster long. Oh the trials of getting off.
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Wow :D
For me, making goofy fart or butt sex jokes may be goofy and in poor taste .
BUT, c'mon, anyone who thinks it's a serious reflection on my wife takes this stuff way too serious.
Think about it, please:
99% here don't even post under their actual name.
How the hell can anyone take that posting format all that serious and honest.
FYI, it's meant t be goofy, tasteless and FUN!
While I understand your rationale, I will not go places which I am uncomfortable with just to amuse a bunch of anonymous schmucks. Fart jokes are fine, although definitely more suited to the prepubescent. I guess you really are "goofy" come to think of it.
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so what activities do you and most grownups over 30 without kids do on a regular basis that people with kids cant do without being a poor parent ?
This is what I don't get about da_vinci and people with his outlook. Although he has said much reasonable things here and I've seen a side of him I didn't see before in his Mike O'hearn worship posts, I just can't wrap my head around his ongoing mass-man-is-miserable style mantras, nor would I think some guy has it made because he has little or no worries, a la Howard, who has somehow managed to post thousands upon thousands of posts all over the net on various forums.
Like I said, some guy wants to live worry-free and to live for ongoing and eternal FUN, let him go exploring for his remote island a la Robinson Caruso. I am not old (36 years old) but I never got he whole notion so pervasive these days that life should be one giant nursery room with never ending diversions and constant safety and comfort and no worries or obligations. Hence the common line, "your life is not your own" and that, Oh boy, if you have a kid, it is an obligation for life. We wouldn't want such commitment as grown men now, would we?
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More and more people come to understand that God does not exist and religion is irrelevant.
Looks like I captured the contempt before you were able to edit the post this time.
lol at we do not understand God or religion. We are just so lost. MOS has life all figured out. ::) ::) What will we do? How will we live? We will obviously wander around aimlessly with absolutely no direction. :D :D
Haha, yes, we'll be alright though because he will pray for us :)
I already feel his prayers working. My life has already changed.
In before MOS says something like, "I will continue to pray for everyone here and love all of you. I hope you surrender yourself to God and find his love. If not, the ending will be tragic." Typical cliche stuff.
I forgive you both and pray God shows you grace, mercy and blessing.
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I forgive you both and pray God shows you grace, mercy and blessing.
More of your condescending attitude lol.
What are you forging us for? Lol
Ps - I forgive you too.
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What are you forging us for? Lol
For being honest ;D
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For being honest ;D
;D
We should be forgiving him!!
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Like errrr... going to the gym on a dailee basis :D
As an example, a female colleague (and milf) of mine loves to stay in shape, but since her boyfriend is already working out 5-6x/week, so she has only one day for a workout herself.
well then she is together with a egocentric douchebag...most couples with kids i know make it work either by taking turns or go together with the kid...im a single dad and have no problems on my week to find time to go to the gym and its easier when you are two. Sure you cant go 2 times a day 6 days per week but its not impossible to stay in shape just because you get kids...and the older the kids get the easier it gets to find time
Quite easy fix just up your dose with 1.5 for every gymhour you have to sacrifice :D
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so what activities do you and most grownups over 30 without kids do on a regular basis that people with kids cant do without being a poor parent ?
Let me see... I'm training five days a week, an hour and a half, without a rush (heavy training, can't be in a hurry), I took a flight to Paris a few weeks ago, just for a weekend (with my gf, mind you), I pretty much bought tickets two days before the trip, and that is not a rare occurence. Tonight I'm going to a big party of my good friend who's a great artist and it will happen in a high building with a great view to a city (he had a gallery opened this week and it's an "afterparty"), I have a nagging feeling I'll be back when the sun rises (I don't drink or do drugs, it's no biggie to get back on track for me), I like taking bike rides at night when it's warm, just put on some good music and enjoy the empty streets (my work schedule enables this), I have a certan hobby that I will better not talk about (nothing homo, just no need for too much private details) which I like a lot, and if there's time left - I do it for a few days a week, I love reading, used to be books, now I read on the web, work related material and science, takes quite some time, I like going to holidays a few times a year, usualy short, but I'm still completely worry free when I can leave and when I can get back, sometimes I go to a different place to work, just to change the enviroment. If money will be right - I'm gonna buy some fancy ghey sports car and try to learn to drift or some other amateur level car sports stuff to be able to participate in the events that I've had urge to do for a long time, I like cars. When it's summer I hit the big music fests hard (once again - no alco/drugs, I dont need that), that has been a big love of mine for many years, I'll probably be one of these old crazy fellas still dancing if I manage to reach that age (which is not very likely I guess). Oh.. and I still have time left to post various bullshit here. (I've cut all the other similar internet activities a long time ago, GB is the last one standing lol).
Is that enough or should I continue? I'm pretty extreme, I have some opportunities and I like to use them, there's no "down" time for me pretty much, I do not know, and havent ever knew what does it mean to be "bored", and it's not even about money usualy, but about an inner drive, a burning desire to experience, to have action. I've inherited it, some of my family members are like that, just they havent managed to stay childfree and had me, a cynical hedonistic asshole ;D
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Hence the common line, "your life is not your own" and that, Oh boy, if you have a kid, it is an obligation for life. We wouldn't want such commitment as grown men now, would we?
Is that obligation compulsory? I don't think it is.
BTW - I may have kids one day, maybe for a female if I care enough, other than that - why would I want to? (and I LIKE kids, I get along with them great. No kid hater here) I'm not asking you to tell me why should I want anything, because I know exactly what I want, it's more of an answer in a question style, I don't see any great reason to reproduce. I'm pretty lucky, tho' I've had my share of shit ealier too, a pretty hard shit, but I see lots of individuals who are suffering, to be honest - most are suffering, I don't see this world as a place that many would be very grateful if someone brought them to life in it (most doesn't have even the decent genetics to transfer/lack self criticsism horribly and think their blood line is something to cherish), I have a strong mind so I cope with it well, but not many have a strong mind, not many have decent genes and it's a frustration for lots of people. That's why sales of anti-psychotic/sedative meds are billion dollars worth market.
After all - I don't see a point of life itself, I do not make a big deal off it, it is not a "serious bussiness" for me personally, when the fun is over - I'm pulling the plug, with a big smile on my face, because I'll know that I've felt alive more than most. This - to get you better understand my kind of mindset, but it is certainly not to convince you of anything, just a glimpse to a different kind of outlook, I do not want to argue you over this, what is "better", what is "not", I couldn't care less, and we both have our own point of view/experiences and personal history/influences/etc, I just saw that you are interested, so hope this helps.
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Let me see... I'm training five days a week, an hour and a half, without a rush (heavy training, can't be in a hurry), I took a flight to Paris a few weeks ago, just for a weekend (with my gf, mind you), I pretty much bought tickets two days before the trip, and that is not a rare occurence. Tonight I'm going to a big party of my good friend who's a great artist and it will happen in a high building with a great view to a city (he had a gallery opened this week and it's an "afterparty"), I have a nagging feeling I'll be back when the sun rises (I don't drink or do drugs, it's no biggie to get back on track for me), I like taking bike rides at night when it's warm, just put on some good music and enjoy the empty streets (my work schedule enables this), I have a certan hobby that I will better not talk about (nothing homo, just no need for too much private details) which I like a lot, and if there's time left - I do it for a few days a week, I love reading, used to be books, now I read on the web, work related material and science, takes quite some time, I like going to holidays a few times a year, usualy short, but I'm still completely worry free when I can leave and when I can get back, sometimes I go to a different place to work, just to change the enviroment. If money will be right - I'm gonna buy some fancy ghey sports car and try to learn to drift or some other amateur level car sports stuff to be able to participate in the events that I've had urge to do for a long time, I like cars. When it's summer I hit the big music fests hard (once again - no alco/drugs, I dont need that), that has been a big love of mine for many years, I'll probably be one of these old crazy fellas still dancing if I manage to reach that age (which is not very likely I guess). Oh.. and I still have time left to post various bullshit here. (I've cut all the other similar internet activities a long time ago, GB is the last one standing lol).
Is that enough or should I continue? I'm pretty extreme, I have some opportunities and I like to use them, there's no "down" time for me pretty much, I do not know, and havent ever knew what does it mean to be "bored", and it's not even about monet usualy, but about an inner drive, a burning desire to experience, to have action.
so you are a bad parent if you go to paris over a weekend or a party and have hobbies? And staying in shape i have no problems with doin..and most People over 30 dont even to to the gtm kids or not. I totaly see why some people dont want kids and nothing wrong with that but you seem to think that being a parent means your whole life revolves around taking care of a infant and that you dont get any time for yourself(they get older you know, but i give you that the first year can be tough). ....you seem to have a little fauly look at what being a parent means and base your whole look at parenthood around that
And most people over 30 dont train 1.5hour 5times per week ;)
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so you are a bad parent if you go to paris over a weekend or a party and have hobbies? And staying in shape i have no problems with doin..and most People over 30 dont even to to the gtm kids or not. I totaly see why some people dont want kids and nothing wrong with that but you seem to think that being a parent means your whole life revolves around taking care of a infant and that you dont get any time for yourself(they get older you know, but i give you that the first year can be tough). ....you seem to have a little fauly look at what being a parent means and base your whole look at parenthood around that
And most people over 30 dont train 1.5hour 5times per week ;)
No, I simply know that no good parent would be able to live like I do, and I love how it is for me, so - yeah, I would not be a good parent, nor would I want to change places with most of them. One kid could be bearable (aside other negative stuff that may happen during a long term marriage), but a few - you are either a very wealthy and careless parent so leave them for other paid ppl "to take care" like many wealthy pl do or you just don't have much drive to do things yourself and are content with being at home/working most of the time and going out with your family sometimes, when the time is right, money are enough and none of the kids are sick/doesn't have to go to some pre-school/after-school activities or are old enough to fly/yougn enough to not care where you take them/doesn't cause issues with bad behavior/etc/etc..
And most people over 30 dont train 1.5hour 5times per week - I don't want to be "most", most people are not happy/depressed and are suffering/miserable drones/slaves for someone smarter/stronger/bigger asshole, most are uout of shape, slowly dieing inside with lots of fears and stress. I find most people to be boring/lifeless. Hope this helps.
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well then she is together with a egocentric douchebag...most couples with kids i know make it work either by taking turns or go together with the kid...im a single dad and have no problems on my week to find time to go to the gym and its easier when you are two. Sure you cant go 2 times a day 6 days per week but its not impossible to stay in shape just because you get kids...and the older the kids get the easier it gets to find time
Quite easy fix just up your dose with 1.5 for every gymhour you have to sacrifice :D
Yeah, I had the same thoughts about her boyfriend. I saw him a couple of times and I suspect he has ADHD, which is no excuse of course.
Every time when I hear parents about their busy agendas, I feel blessed for living a pretty relaxed life. I admire those parents who are able to plan their time, without too much stress and worries, but I believe they're a minority ;)
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I like taking bike rides at night when it's warm
I do the same thing, love riding and walking at night. If I was to choose a favorite time of the day, definitely the night between 10pm and 5am in the morning. And man, don't be afraid to try some rec drugs, many people enhance their lifestyle with them and never have problematic use. I recommend some mdma, lsd or some 2C-B. If you can drink coffee without it becoming an issue in your life, then you can certainly use those substances with zero issues.
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And most people over 30 dont train 1.5hour 5times per week - I don't want to be "most", most people are not happy/depressed and are suffering/miserable drones/slaves for someone smarter/stronger/bigger asshole, most are uout of shape, slowly dieing inside with lots of fears and stress. I find most people to be boring/lifeless. Hope this helps.
I AM in favor of your outlook on this modern oppressive system that turns people into mindless, bill paying slaves.
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I do the same thing, love riding and walking at night. If I was to choose a favorite time of the day, definitely the night between 10pm and 5am in the morning. And man, don't be afraid to try some rec drugs, many people enhance their lifestyle with them and never have problematic use. I recommend some mdma, lsd or some 2C-B. If you can drink coffee without it becoming an issue in your life, then you can certainly use those substances with zero issues.
Lol, same here, I love to work at night too, but after a while it takes its toll so I try not to abuse that. And walking/riding at night is nice because its not too hot when summer. Regarding drugs Im not an addictive type at all so Im not afraid of that, what is important to me is that my mind would work as effective as possible, I need it for work, and generally Im a performance freak, have an obsession about optimising everythong for best performance, that and Id not be too happy if drugs would affect my generally positive mindset and mood in every day life. You know...the neurotransmitters, etc.. But I will def try some acid, and if I like it, it may be something like once a year special occasion. Im sure that moderate use is not an issue with most of these substances, but Im just overall not too much into it. Now listening music while high, thats tempting as hell. Most ppl around me are rollin molly when Im out.
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I AM in favor of your outlook on this modern oppressive system that turns people into mindless, bill paying slaves.
Im glad we agree at least on some points.
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I do the same thing, love riding and walking at night. If I was to choose a favorite time of the day, definitely the night between 10pm and 5am in the morning. And man, don't be afraid to try some rec drugs, many people enhance their lifestyle with them and never have problematic use. I recommend some mdma, lsd or some 2C-B. If you can drink coffee without it becoming an issue in your life, then you can certainly use those substances with zero issues.
Same.
Just don't agree on the drug thing.
Especially chemicals.
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I fully support many of you that have decided to never have children.
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I fully support many of you that have decided to never have children.
Do I sense some questionable undertones there?
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No, I simply know that no good parent would be able to live like I do, and I love how it is for me, so - yeah, I would not be a good parent, nor would I want to change places with most of them. One kid could be bearable (aside other negative stuff that may happen during a long term marriage), but a few - you are either a very wealthy and careless parent so leave them for other paid ppl "to take care" like many wealthy pl do or you just don't have much drive to do things yourself and are content with being at home/working most of the time and going out with your family sometimes, when the time is right, money are enough and none of the kids are sick/doesn't have to go to some pre-school/after-school activities or are old enough to fly/yougn enough to not care where you take them/doesn't cause issues with bad behavior/etc/etc..
And most people over 30 dont train 1.5hour 5times per week - I don't want to be "most", most people are not happy/depressed and are suffering/miserable drones/slaves for someone smarter/stronger/bigger asshole, most are uout of shape, slowly dieing inside with lots of fears and stress. I find most people to be boring/lifeless. Hope this helps.
No argument over whether to have/not have kids.
All the stuff you posted above is perfectly fine.
The part that's missing is that once you have a child in conjunction with a great relationship, your priorities will change. You'll likely still be the same person and like a lot of the same things, but you'll find you'll want focus elsewhere, and you won't mind. Cliche, but it's really not something you comprehend until you do it.
I enjoy exercise, good food, travel, and playing sports and making fun of people online. I still do all that. I just don't play ball 6 nights a week anymore, etc.
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Do I sense some questionable undertones there?
It's his condescending attitude coming through. That he thinks hes better than everyone else because he believes in God.
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It's his condescending attitude coming through. That he thinks hes better than everyone else because he believes in God.
Probably.
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Proud far-Right, blue-eyed, blonde-haired twice-born Christian myself, and I never wanted kids. As the Lord said in Luke 14:28, count the cost. A lot of the parents I've talked to over the years eventually say some variation of I love my kid(s) to death, but..... It's one of the biggest and most important decisions you'll ever make. If you're having doubts, don't do it.
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No argument over whether to have/not have kids.
All the stuff you posted above is perfectly fine.
The part that's missing is that once you have a child in conjunction with a great relationship, your priorities will change. You'll likely still be the same person and like a lot of the same things, but you'll find you'll want focus elsewhere, and you won't mind. Cliche, but it's really not something you comprehend until you do it.
I enjoy exercise, good food, travel, and playing sports and making fun of people online. I still do all that. I just don't play ball 6 nights a week anymore, etc.
It's like I'd say to you - if your kids die you will be relieved. Let's not predict for other ppl, eh? You have no idea who I am and how I live, what kind of a person I am and so on. This sounds like MOS saying "You don't understand god until you start to believe in it.".
I don't need to do heroin to know that it feels good, but is a trouble at the same time. On other hand - when you invest so much time, money, sacrifices and attention to something - it becomes "very valuable" regardless if it's a pile of shit or gold.
After all - have you asked yourself at least once - What is the point? I did. And the answer is - I see absolutely no point. Good for you if you do.
Interestingly enough - majority of most intelligent members on this board clearly support "no kids" stance (like T.Adonis for ex).
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First off, its difficult to put a definition on what "freedom" actually is. Its a very subjective term.
With that said, and for the sake of this statement, lets pretend that freedom equates to being able to do what you want to do, when you want to do it.
With that in mind, its quite obvious that people without a wife and kids are more "free." You get to sleep-in when you want, take vacations when you want, randomly go out without any burden (without having to finding a babysitter). Basically, you only have to answer to yourself. If we go with my above definition of being "free", I do not know how anyone can even attempt to argue that parents are more free than single people. Its just not the case. They aren't. It doesn't mean its necessarily a bad thing to be less "free," but its just the way it is. As someone who is single, I can just leave my house and go anywhere I want. That is not the case if you have a 6 month old in a crib. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that single people are happier than married people with kids. I am not saying this. I am just pointing to the objective fact that, on average, single people are more "free" when compared to parents (if you equate being free with my definition above).
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It's like I'd say to you - if your kids die you will be relieved. Let's not predict for other ppl, eh? You have no idea who I am and how I live, what kind of a person I am and so on. This sounds like MOS saying "You don't understand god until you start to believe in it.".
I don't need to do heroin to know that it feels good, but is a trouble at the same time. On other hand - when you invest so much time, money, sacrifices and attention to something - it becomes "very valuable" regardless if it's a pile of shit or gold.
After all - have you asked yourself at least once - What is the point? I did. And the answer is - I see absolutely no point. Good for you if you do.
Interestingly enough - majority of most intelligent members on this board clearly support "no kids" stance (like T.Adonis for ex).
You appear to be taking "you" personally, and not in the general sense of "everyone".
I'm not predicting for you, I'm basing it on the fact that if priorities didn't change under the circumstances, there would be no good parents. And they don't only change for dullards, as in the examples of your "friends".
Anyway, your analogy is completely incorrect. Assuming relief would be gained in a tragedy is not a parallel into theorizing a potential change in priorities upon someone who has a child.
And "intelligent members on this board" is akin to being the tallest midget.
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You appear to be taking "you" personally, and not in the general sense of "everyone".
I'm not predicting for you, I'm basing it on the fact that if priorities didn't change under the circumstances, there would be no good parents. And they don't only change for dullards, as in the examples of your "friends".
Anyway, your analogy is completely incorrect. Assuming relief would be gained in a tragedy is not a parallel into theorizing a potential change in priorities upon someone who has a child.
And "intelligent members on this board" is akin to being the tallest midget.
For a responsible person these priorities would change, I agree. In case of extra circumstances many things can change. I would raise my kid too, leaving is a horrible thing to do to a person, but many people would prefer to keep these circumstances as they are.
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For a responsible person these priorities would change, I agree. In case of extra circumstances many things can change. I would raise my kid too, leaving is a horrible thing to do to a person, but many people would prefer to keep these circumstances as they are.
Glad you boiled down into one sentence because after all the back and forth and tangents, I was losing track of the actual point.
Can't really counter the bolded part, because I haven't seen any studies or data on "people who would prefer everything stay the same for them but had kids anyway". But I'm sure those people exist. Just as I'm sure those exist who wanted it, but then changed.
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Glad you boiled down into one sentence because I was losing track of the actual point.
Can't really counter the bolded part, because I haven't seen any studies or data on "people who would prefer everything stay the same for them but had kids anyway". But I'm sure those people exist.
Im talking about people like me, who consciously think about it, not about clueless, driven automatically by animalistic nature.
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First off, its difficult to put a definition on what "freedom" actually is. Its a very subjective term.
With that said, and for the sake of this statement, lets pretend that freedom equates to being able to do what you want to do, when you want to do it.
With that in mind, its quite obvious that people without a wife and kids are more "free." You get to sleep-in when you want, take vacations when you want, randomly go out without any burden (without having to finding a babysitter). Basically, you only have to answer to yourself. If we go with my above definition of being "free", I do not know how anyone can even attempt to argue that parents are more free than single people. Its just not the case. They aren't. It doesn't mean its necessarily a bad thing to be less "free," but its just the way it is. As someone who is single, I can just leave my house and go anywhere I want. That is not the case if you have a 6 month old in a crib. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that single people are happier than married people with kids. I am not saying this. I am just pointing to the objective fact that, on average, single people are more "free" when compared to parents (if you equate being free with my definition above).
That's exactly what I was saying. You can't eat the pie and have it too, simple as that.
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Im talking about people like me, who consciously think about it, not about clueless, driven automatically by animalistic nature.
And my point has been there as those like you were in similar circumstances, who thought about, did it, and it works. And they're not beta, weak, stupid, etc...
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That's exactly what I was saying. You can't eat the pie and have it too, simple as that.
But you can have a different flavor of the pie to eat, can enjoy it, and still sample the old pie, even moreso as the children grow up.
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But you can have a different flavor of the pie to eat, can enjoy it, and still sample the old pie, even moreso as the children grow up.
The problem with this whole conversation, as in the case with most conversations, is not addressing the most important thing: CONTEXT.
The context is what it important. When you have little babies at home or young children, the parent, in my opinion, is definitely less "free" than the single person. I do not even think that's debatable. But once the context changes (and child grows older), the parent is more "free" to do what they want to do. For a single person, the context matters less when it comes to being "free." A parents freedom is more contingent on the context of the child (age, developmental level, sickness, health, etc).
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That's exactly what I was saying. You can't eat the pie and have it too, simple as that.
Its difficult to do both. Its not impossible, especially as the child grows older. But during the formative years, parents are definitely less "free" in the strict sense.
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And my point has been there as those like you were in similar circumstances, who thought about, did it, and it works. And they're not beta, weak, stupid, etc...
Yes of course, plenty of scenarios in life, not all are equal and not all are suited for everyone, however you look at it. There are parents who leave their kids and "it works", even tho they thought they never would do it, so yeah... I guess we are stating the obvious here.
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But you can have a different flavor of the pie to eat, can enjoy it, and still sample the old pie, even moreso as the children grow up.
What if I want to eat my favorite pie all the time? Should I do otherwise just because someone else does it? I don't really get your drift on this one. It sounds like you want to say it is compulsory or something..
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What if I want to eat my favorite pie all the time? Should I do otherwise just because someone else does it? I don't really get your drift on this one. It sounds like you want to say it is compulsory or something..
No, you should never do something because someone else does something. I never said that. What I was trying to say was that...........actually, just saw the post below....we're going in circles.
Yes of course, plenty of scenarios in life, not all are equal and not all are suited for everyone, however you look at it. There are parents who leave their kids and "it works", even tho they thought they never would do it, so yeah... I guess we are stating the obvious here.
Yeah, I think we can wrap this one up.
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No, you should never do something because someone else does something. I never said that. What I was trying to say was that...........actually, just saw the post below....we're going in circles.
Yeah, I think we can wrap this one up.
I guess we have an agreement - shit happens, life happens, kids happen, much can happen. Idk about other people, but I've had a clear vision of my life since I was a teen, and Im pretty much livin' it. If I won't have kids ever - couldn't care less. If I will (I would prefer not to) - I will make it work somehow.
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I guess we have an agreement - shit happens, life happens, kids happen, much can happen. Idk about other people, but I've had a clear vision of my life since I was a teen, and Im pretty much livin' it. If I won't have kids ever - couldn't care less. If I will (I would prefer not to) - I will make it work somehow.
Boom....we are in agreement.
We have made getbig history.
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Boom....we are in agreement.
We have made getbig history.
Ten pages, thousands of words................... .....was def. worth it.
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Who cares? Just live the life you wish. Seems like a lot of posters are trying to convince themselves they are making the right life choices more than anything else.
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From what I've red here - Howard is pretty damn lucky fella with not much worries in life. Quite a contrary from most guys his age that I know. I think he's doing something right, no bitterness, no anger, he actually sounds happier than me and I'm pretty damn happy with my life, that tells something too.
Thanks and in fairness to others, all that matters is they made the right choice for THEM.
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well then she is together with a egocentric douchebag...most couples with kids i know make it work either by taking turns or go together with the kid...im a single dad and have no problems on my week to find time to go to the gym and its easier when you are two. Sure you cant go 2 times a day 6 days per week but its not impossible to stay in shape just because you get kids...and the older the kids get the easier it gets to find time
Quite easy fix just up your dose with 1.5 for every gymhour you have to sacrifice :D
Good point and for those that enjoy being parents a little creative use of time can fix a lot.
The one things that chaps my ass is that MANY (not all) parents , feel that having children is somewhat inevitable .
Their default setting of having kids , is what annoys me most.
For example, I love being married and have been more then once to prove it LOL.
BUT, I've advised plenty of younger guys to avoid it.
I see no REQUIREMENT for a happy, productive career man to ever get married and/or have kids.
I've told several younger guys to AVOID getting married , since they obviously enjoy their single lifestyle.
Make no mistake, I think every MAN should have a job, make their own $$ and move out of mom's basement ;D.
BUT, as long as he takes care of himself, he shouldn't feel guilty or inadequate if he doesn't get married or have kids.
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Good point and for those that enjoy being parents a little creative use of time can fix a lot.
The one things that chaps my ass is that MANY (not all) parents , feel that having children is somewhat inevitable .
Their default setting of having kids , is what annoys me most.
For example, I love being married and have been more then once to prove it LOL.
BUT, I've advised plenty of younger guys to avoid it.
I see no REQUIREMENT for a happy, productive career man to ever get married and/or have kids.
I've told several younger guys to AVOID getting married , since they obviously enjoy their single lifestyle.
Make no mistake, I think every MAN should have a job, make their own $$ and move out of mom's basement ;D.
BUT, as long as he takes care of himself, he shouldn't feel guilty or inadequate if he doesn't get married or have kids.
Fair points, but taken to the extreme, this can lead to negative population growth, especially amongst those who DO have the intelligence and good genes to pass off onto future generations. Negative population growth is bad for a nation.
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Do I sense some questionable undertones there?
I stand by my words 100%. People will read into my words whatever they want regardless of my intention.
Based on the words of some in reference to why they don't want children I support that decision. They should not have children...they aren't parent material and children deserve and need better parents.
The atheist bunch are playing up this "condescension" angle nonsense because yesterday Raymondo posted randomly on the religion board. I initially replied to him because most atheists that try to argue with me on the G&O often follow that up with their first religion board post. I told him I expected as much, decided it read to harsh, changed it, indicated as much and that was that. They're taking that bit of nothing and attempting to make something out of it....that's it.
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Fair points, but taken to the extreme, this can lead to negative population growth, especially amongst those who DO have the intelligence and good genes to pass off onto future generations. Negative population growth is bad for a nation.
Everyone are for themselves so less ppl are less rivals for the limted resources. No matter how anyone tells the concern about a negative population growth, in fact - it is great for these that are alive, more jobs, more opportunities. Negative population growth worldwide would be a great thing. And well.. if it would get to a level where humans would dissapear............... .............nothing would happen, none would care, as everyone would be dead. Zero sum game. And all other life forms would be "happy" that biggest predator is not an issue anymore.
Afterall - about the future of a nation care only these who have kids. That's kind of biased.
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I stand by my words 100%. People will read into my words whatever they want regardless of my intention.
Based on the words of some in reference to why they don't want children I support that decision. They should not have children...they aren't parent material and children deserve and need better parents.
That's exactly what I meant above^^.
And...
How do you know?
Maybe they would be a better parent than you.
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That's exactly what I meant above^^.
And...
How do you know?
Maybe they would be a better parent than you.
Many would be. He is intoxicating his offspring with religion from a get go, thus raising a weak individual destined to suffer.
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Many would be. He is intoxicating his offspring with religion from a get go, thus raising a weak individual destined to suffer.
Can't argue with that.
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Everyone are for themselves so less ppl are less rivals for the limted resources. No matter how anyone tells the concern about a negative population growth, in fact - it is great for these that are alive, more jobs, more opportunities. Negative population growth worldwide would be a great thing. And well.. if it would get to a level where humans would dissapear............... .............nothing would happen, none would care, as everyone would be dead. Zero sum game. And all other life forms would be "happy" that biggest predator is not an issue anymore.
Afterall - about the future of a nation care only these who have kids. That's kind of biased.
I am in favor of eugenics, NOT unbridled multiplication, considering the lowest, most debased, stupid, perverted, and criminal bums have always multiplied at the expense and lack of safety of civic minded, law abiding people.
One of the reasons we now have an America with 30 million fucking people, many of them better off dead and put out of their misery and off our backs financially and socially, is because we have run wild with our technology and medical care and lib tard and over permissive legal system which these subhumans are not scared of! And the reason we have a world of seven billion people, most of them who cannot even care for themselves and uphold a civilization is because the United States and Europe have decided long ago to be the world's Santa Claus, feeding them, medicating them, clothing them, and teaching them to clean themselves after going to the bathroom.
No, I am not for unspecific population growth. With someone of your inherent intelligence and ability and energy, it is a shame you do not pass these qualities onto potential offspring. At first I thought you were just a Mike O'hearn jock grabber; now I think you're more than that.
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That's exactly what I meant above^^.
And...
How do you know?
Maybe they would be a better parent than you.
Non-believers make better parents (http://jezebel.com/godless-parents-are-doing-a-better-job-1682844001) than believers.
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That's exactly what I meant above^^.
And...
How do you know?
Maybe they would be a better parent than you.
Most that object to kids very clearly establish that they don't like children and don't want the burden of children. I agree, they shouldn't have children...not parent material. Could other folks that don't have children become better parents than me? Yes.
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Non-believers make better parents (http://jezebel.com/godless-parents-are-doing-a-better-job-1682844001) than believers.
If you notice, from the very beginning of the original thread I never once introduced anything about God as it pertained to having children....not once. The first comments about God came from atheists that know I'm a believer. They replied to me and they introduced the topic of God (coupled with mockery of course) and I initially laughed it off and ignored the ridicule. After a time of persistence I then said that marrying and raising a family in accordance with God is the best approach.
Look, I know folks are baiting me LOL....they do it all the time. My presence alone in almost any thread will have the topic of God introduced merely because I'm in the thread. That isn't being arrogant either, that's just the reality. For me, it's a blessing because even those that haven't ever said a word to me suddenly address me and know exactly who I represent. Yes!!! Means I'm doing what I'm called to do.
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I am in favor of eugenics, NOT unbridled multiplication, considering the lowest, most debased, stupid, perverted, and criminal bums have always multiplied at the expense and lack of safety of civic minded, law abiding people.
One of the reasons we now have an America with 30 million fucking people, many of them better off dead and put out of their misery and off our backs financially and socially, is because we have run wild with our technology and medical care and lib tard and over permissive legal system which these subhumans are not scared of! And the reason we have a world of seven billion people, most of them who cannot even care for themselves and uphold a civilization is because the United States and Europe have decided long ago to be the world's Santa Claus, feeding them, medicating them, clothing them, and teaching them to clean themselves after going to the bathroom.
No, I am not for unspecific population growth. With someone of your inherent intelligence and ability and energy, it is a shame you do not pass these qualities onto potential offspring. At first I thought you were just a Mike O'hearn jock grabber; now I think you're more than that.
Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.
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Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.
Dude, I am asking this in all seriousness. Did you grow up privileged, to rich parents? I've noticed that those who I've met who were born privileged are also the only ones I know who gloat, "life is not so serious," or have this all-over-the-place, wackjob outlook on everything, as if only an immediate threat such as a gun to their faces would make them act serious in a conversation. Maybe that's why you love Mike, because he is always "on". It seems almost sociopathic.
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Lol, same here, I love to work at night too, but after a while it takes its toll so I try not to abuse that. And walking/riding at night is nice because its not too hot when summer. Regarding drugs Im not an addictive type at all so Im not afraid of that, what is important to me is that my mind would work as effective as possible, I need it for work, and generally Im a performance freak, have an obsession about optimising everythong for best performance, that and Id not be too happy if drugs would affect my generally positive mindset and mood in every day life. You know...the neurotransmitters, etc.. But I will def try some acid, and if I like it, it may be something like once a year special occasion. Im sure that moderate use is not an issue with most of these substances, but Im just overall not too much into it. Now listening music while high, thats tempting as hell. Most ppl around me are rollin molly when Im out.
You know what, if you are the creative type, LSD will improve your mental abilities, but this is dose dependent, take too much and trip city here we come. There is also a new trend in certain fields called microdosing, where you take far smaller amounts of the drug to get a slight elevation and the creative enhancement without any of the hallucinations or visual disturbances. Another area they are starting to use it in is in terminally ill people, they have had marvelous results using LSD in helping them overcome their fear of death.
And yeah, I take a couple of tabs on my own at home and listen to some music for several hours and it's sublime. I then pick up my guitar and I am flowing like a river, nice and loose they way an artist should be, I find I really lose my inhibitions, start stamping my feet, swaying my head and generally not giving a fuck, which always makes for a better session. I am 43 in a couple of days mind you, and only started with the LSD mid last year, so had it half a dozen times, I wish I could have got hold of it when younger, but didn't now how to get it, now that I do it has become something I look forward to doing now and again. And because LSD use develops an immediate tolerance that dissipates over the coming weeks it isn't a drug I could use addictively, nor would I want to, throwing it into the mix now and again really shakes me about and gives me renewed vigour for the coming weeks.
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Dude, I am asking this in all seriousness. Did you grow up privileged, to rich parents? I've noticed that those who I've met who were born privileged are also the only ones I know who gloat, "life is not so serious," or have this all-over-the-place, wackjob outlook on everything, as if only an immediate threat such as a gun to their faces would make them act serious in a conversation. Maybe that's why you love Mike, because he is always "on". It seems almost sociopathic.
Not privileged at all, but I grew up among strong individuals overall. What you call "wackjob outlook" is what many famous thinkers were talking many centuries ago. If someone would convince me that life actually IS serious - I'd change my stance in a blink of an eye. So far - the more I've been thinking/watching, the less serious it appears to be. Honestly - I cant take serious something that will be over relatively soon, and that haven't even existed (for me) not too long ago, and something that is a pure comedy and absurd in-between that. I'm lucky, it's a fun ride and all that, while it's fun I enjoy it, for some it's may be a sad ride, whatever, when it's not fun anymore - bye bye, it was a pleasure, but time to go. I simply can't relate to some of that what you say, sorry (probably too different experiences/influences/enviroments/etc)...
In front of a threat I would act like I'm programmed to act - fight or fly. We are all robots, just some more aware about that than other. Maybe that's why some stop reproducing (a self destruction, to keep other robots unaware, to keep "it" going).
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You know what, if you are the creative type, LSD will improve your mental abilities, but this is dose dependent, take too much and trip city here we come. There is also a new trend in certain fields called microdosing, where you take far smaller amounts of the drug to get a slight elevation and the creative enhancement without any of the hallucinations or visual disturbances. Another area they are starting to use it in is in terminally ill people, they have had marvelous results using LSD in helping them overcome their fear of death.
And yeah, I take a couple of tabs on my own at home and listen to some music for several hours and it's sublime. I then pick up my guitar and I am flowing like a river, nice and loose they way an artist should be, I find I really lose my inhibitions, start stamping my feet, swaying my head and generally not giving a fuck, which always makes for a better session. I am 43 in a couple of days mind you, and only started with the LSD mid last year, so had it half a dozen times, I wish I could have got hold of it when younger, but didn't now how to get it, now that I do it has become something I look forward to doing now and again. And because LSD use develops an immediate tolerance that dissipates over the coming weeks it isn't a drug I could use addictively, nor would I want to, throwing it into the mix now and again really shakes me about and gives me renewed vigour for the coming weeks.
Sounds pretty great actually, and I've red about the microdosing. I've been into nootropics for quite some time so it's interesting. I will try it in summer, at some very cozy place with a few of my good friends and some awesome music.
Using these drugs for terminally ill is a great idea either. I think if I live to an age/stage where I won't want to live anymore - I'll take some of that before going lights out. Tho' it may turn out that I will feel too good to do that while high ;D Hell, even Jobbs experimented with LSD.
I tried to smoke weed a few times. One was succesfull, I went home from a party on foot, it was kind of a chilly night, but I caught myself that I'm constantly looking around and the streets that I used to walk for lots of time suddenly started looking kind of ... "miraclous", like enhanced with PS lol.. after a few mins I realized that THC is still working. I can totally get why some ppl get hooked on it - if reality is tough, you can really feel at ease and well after a joint.
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After a time of persistence I then said that marrying and raising a family in accordance with God is the best approach.
Not true.
Children raised in non-religious families are more generous (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/nonreligious-children-are-more-generous), while children raised in religious families are more judgmental (quelle surpise)
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the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses).
I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?
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I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?
The general tendency is like that. Just look at white people dissapearig, while less intelligent third worlders procreate like cockroaches. There ecists plenty of data on that matter, but it's enough to have common sense to understand.
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So far - the more I've been thinking/watching, the less serious it appears to be. Honestly - I cant take serious something that will be over relatively soon, and that haven't even existed (for me) not too long ago, and something that is a pure comedy and absurd in-between that.
It is all illusion.
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It is all illusion.
Exactly. No begining and no end actually, just a very limited computer that thinks it's something "separate" from "everything".
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Exactly. No begining and no end actually, just a very limited computer that thinks it's something "separate" from "everything".
Yes.
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I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?
I never got past the 8th grade in school and did the world a favor by not having kids.
The last thing the world needs is bunch of lil' meatheads with my brain running around ;)
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I stand by my words 100%. People will read into my words whatever they want regardless of my intention.
Based on the words of some in reference to why they don't want children I support that decision. They should not have children...they aren't parent material and children deserve and need better parents.
The atheist bunch are playing up this "condescension" angle nonsense because yesterday Raymondo posted randomly on the religion board. I initially replied to him because most atheists that try to argue with me on the G&O often follow that up with their first religion board post. I told him I expected as much, decided it read to harsh, changed it, indicated as much and that was that. They're taking that bit of nothing and attempting to make something out of it....that's it.
MOS, in my opinion, you are the perfect kind of seriously religious person.
1. You stand for something and don't waiver on your principles.
2. You are willing to debate the topic without resorting to silly insults.
3. Unlike extreme crazy zealots ( like ISIS) , you are reasonable and don't require everyone to believe as you.
Any time a man has clear , proud beliefs ;naysayers will attempt to change him for their own reasons.
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Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.
I think it all evens out. Think about like this:
For every kid I DON'T have, the avg human IQ goes up a bit ;)
Hmmmm, BUT, if Jason Genova becomes a "baby daddy" ... :'(
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MOS, in my opinion, you are the perfect kind of seriously religious person.
1. You stand for something and don't waiver on your principles.
2. You are willing to debate the topic without resorting to silly insults.
3. Unlike extreme crazy zealots ( like ISIS) , you are reasonable and don't require everyone to believe as you.
Any time a man has clear , proud beliefs ;naysayers will attempt to change him for their own reasons.
I appreciate that and I feel the same about you. Level headed man, sticks to his guns, solid sense of humor and humble enough to admit his faults...it's a good combination of traits. I also realize I owe you some responses to your earlier thread comments.
For me personally, I'm not ashamed of Jesus Christ, I'm not ashamed to call myself a believer. Further, I'm just not ashamed of scripture, I believe it cover to cover and I have zero fear of objections to it. Doesn't mean I always have immediate answers, but I'm not afraid to tell folks, "I don't know, but I'll seek an answer."
You are correct that when folks remain steadfast in something they hold dear and represent it confidently there are always other folks that want to tear them down. Some seek to tear down for entertainment, some for principle, but most do it out of ignorance. It's why some folks search every nook and cranny of my posts to find fault and weakness so they can attempt to build a case against my witness for Christ. Some desperately try to take real disciples of Christ and find a way to throw them into the bucket of religious hypocrites.
It's unfortunate how large the population of the ignorant are and the irony of the absolute truths they espouse (I already know the response to this sentence). They understand nothing of God and yet proclaim absolute truths about him that contradict his reality completely. If I fly off the handle, utter a curse word at these folks or threaten them then I lose my witness for Christ and help publically validate their ignorant argument.
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I appreciate that and I feel the same about you. Level headed man, sticks to his guns, solid sense of humor and humble enough to admit his faults...it's a good combination of traits. I also realize I owe you some responses to your earlier thread comments.
For me personally, I'm not ashamed of Jesus Christ, I'm not ashamed to call myself a believer. Further, I'm just not ashamed of scripture, I believe it cover to cover and I have zero fear of objections to it. Doesn't mean I always have immediate answers, but I'm not afraid to tell folks, "I don't know, but I'll seek an answer."
You are correct that when folks remain steadfast in something they hold dear and represent it confidently there are always other folks that want to tear them down. Some seek to tear down for entertainment, some for principle, but most do it out of ignorance. It's why some folks search every nook and cranny of my posts to find fault and weakness so they can attempt to build a case against my witness for Christ. Some desperately try to take real disciples of Christ and find a way to throw them into the bucket of religious hypocrites.
It's unfortunate how large the population of the ignorant are and the irony of the absolute truths they espouse (I already know the response to this sentence). They understand nothing of God and yet proclaim absolute truths about him that contradict his reality completely. If I fly off the handle, utter a curse word at these folks or threaten them then I lose my witness for Christ and help publically validate their ignorant argument.
For me, the basic moral teachings of Jesus are valuable wisdom, regardless of his status as the "son of GOD".
That comes down to faith and the final answer is above my pay grade anyway. ;)
In fact, I'll bet we share a lot of common moral beliefs and ethics .
I understand your particular faith requires you to accept a divine Jesus as your personal lord and savior.
I also realize that devote Christians fear I will go to hell , without that specific belief, despite how decent a life I lead.
For me, it's NOT wrong to follow a faith you believe in. For example, I do believe in an omnipotent GOD.
BUT, to me it's sad, that a decent man of faith can still be damned to hell if they don't accept Jesus.
To me, that reeks of promoting the religious ORGANIZATION. Ya know, like being a member of the club ;)
I honestly don't think GOD works that way. He's much fairer with how HE runs the rest of the universe.
In the end, it's not my call and that's what keeps my own ego in check.
Thanks for the reply and all the best to you and your family in 2016.
PS/Maybe we'll meet up at a contest or expo in the future.
It would be an honor to meet you in person.
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I never got past the 8th grade in school and did the world a favor by not having kids.
The last thing the world needs is bunch of lil' meatheads with my brain running around ;)
Agreed.
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Agreed.
Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?
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Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?
I would agree on that.
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I would agree on that.
Forcing a worldview on a child should be a crime.
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Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?
Yes, I think I said as much in an earlier post in this thread. It is shown to destroy a child's ability to think critically later in life, an essential skill used to lead a truly rewarding and fulfilling existence. The alternative is to lock the poor soul into a life of frustration and cognitive dissonance caused by their fantasies constantly clashing with reality.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! Just a bunch of little religion trolls. Have your fun, get your reward. :)
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AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! Just a bunch of little religion trolls. Have your fun, get your reward. :)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=603448.0;attach=667672;image)
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
....get your reward
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Meltdown.
;D ;D ;D
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Good, thoughtful post , but I think it "depends".
1. Most people that adopt kids are doing it for honorable, decent reasons.
I respect and admire that kind of person.
(b) Some parents that have their own children wanted to bring a life into the world and raise it well.
That's also something I consider worthwhile and honorable.
2. Some parents want to have their own children for various ego driven, selfish reasons.
The most common being , wanting someone to take care of them when older.
Or, to carry on the family legacy aka genetic line. LOL, as if their genetics was so wonderful.
Cannot find da vinci post to qoute but...
1) Yeah, you may not want kids, they may be the result of an impulse (ie one night stand) or unwanted (ie have 3 kids already fuck another)..thing is, you're responsible and once a parent you get that responsibility immediately. You just get that feeling of devotion.
2) I would adopt kids if I could not have more and girlfriend wanted it. We have a house, we both have jobs and money, why not? Nurture >> nature re kids so long as kid is young I'd be fine.
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It is absurd and uncommon to force political worldviews on children so why is it acceptable to force religious ones?
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Children from religious families are less kind and more punitive than those from non-religious households (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study)
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I just skimmed the last couple of pages in this thread and didn't read more than a word or two from a couple of posts. It's a dead horse.
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Was just watching "F for family" on Netlfix and thought of this thread!
Very funny cartoon.
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It would be interesting if we all were more interested in arguing our points rather than scoring points...
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I Think the question that never gets asked regarding GOD's existence is "Why does it even matter?". It's observably obvious that if their was a creative force that it doesn't intervene in human affairs, this being does not prevent the inherent human suffering that is part of every human beings life. You will still fall ill, still get old, still suffer persistently until you enter the unknowable after you leave this existence. Even if there was a god it has no influence on humanity, it is irrelevant. Saying you believe in god is as meaningful as saying you believe in some unnamed planet in some unknown galaxy in some unknown parallel universe, who gives a fuck, life goes on regardless.
This is a good post I missed, so I will respond to it here even though it is slightly off topic.
What I find extremely absurd is the following. How is it possible that a being that exhibits:
1) Omnipotentence (has unlimited power and can do anything),
2) Omniscience (knows everything that has happened and will ever happen),
3) Omnipresence (is everywhere at the same time and permeates everything, like the Force in Star Wars),
4) Omnibenevolence (has unlimited capacity to do good),
cannot be perceived and its existence cannot be validated in any way whatsoever unless you choose to believe in its existence first?
Astronomers have recently presented proof of a huge 9th planet orbiting the Sun every 10,000 to 20,000 years. And yet, the most awesome being in the universe that ever existed or will ever exist, a being as present on Earth as oxygen, cannot be perceived unless you completely surrender your mind to the traditions of desert scribes that lived in Roman Palestine thousands of years ago. And that is just one religious tradition, the Abrahamic one. Other religious have their own rules.
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...a being as present on Earth as oxygen, cannot be perceived...
The absence of oxygen can be perceived.
;D
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If you're not sure you want to have kids, have a good look at the world around you.
Have a good look at the people you know in your life.
We, as a species, are fucking the planet royally. We have so little regard for where we live, we have ruined our home.
Do you want to bring your children into this?
I know good, kind generous people. I know more idiots who can only think of themselves, people whose lives are increasingly being dominated by social media and who can no longer hold a decent conversation or think independently, people who are becoming lazier and unhealthier both mentally and physically.
This will be the norm very soon.
Do you want to bring your children into this? Do you want your children to become this?
Fuck - I think I just sounded like Affeman....
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raymondo (with a page from TA's book) and da_vinci doing a lot of good work itt
MOS getting flustered
"LOL" ::)
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This is a good post I missed, so I will respond to it here even though it is slightly off topic.
What I find extremely absurd is the following. How can a being that is:
1) Omnipotent (has unlimited power and can do anything),
2) Omniscient (knows everything that has happened and will ever happen),
3) Omnipresent (is everywhere at the same time and permeates everything, like the Force in Star Wars),
4) Omnibenevolent (has unlimited capacity to do good),
can not be perceived and its existence cannot be validated in any way whatsoever unless you choose to believe in its existence first?
Astronomers have recently presented proof of a huge 9th planet orbiting the Sun every 10,000 to 20,000 years. And yet, the most awesome being in the universe that ever existed or will ever exist, a being as present on Earth as oxygen, cannot be perceived unless you completely surrender your mind to the traditions of desert scribes that lived in Roman Palestine thousands of years ago. And that is just one religious tradition, the Abrahamic one. Other religious have their own rules.
Your post reminded me of a Christopher Hitchens quote.
"By trying to adjust to the findings that it once tried so viciously to ban and repress, religion has only succeeded in restating the same questions that undermined it in earlier epochs. What kind of designer or creator is so wasteful and capricious and approximate? What kind of designer or creator is so cruel and indifferent? Andmost of allwhat kind of designer or creator only chooses to reveal himself to semi-stupefied peasants in desert regions?"
―The Portable Atheist (Christopher Hitchens)
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This is a good post I missed, so I will respond to it here even though it is slightly off topic.
What I find extremely absurd is the following. How is it possible that a being that exhibits:
1) Omnipotentence (has unlimited power and can do anything),
2) Omniscience (knows everything that has happened and will ever happen),
3) Omnipresence (is everywhere at the same time and permeates everything, like the Force in Star Wars),
4) Omnibenevolence (has unlimited capacity to do good),
cannot be perceived and its existence cannot be validated in any way whatsoever unless you choose to believe in its existence first?
Astronomers have recently presented proof of a huge 9th planet orbiting the Sun every 10,000 to 20,000 years. And yet, the most awesome being in the universe that ever existed or will ever exist, a being as present on Earth as oxygen, cannot be perceived unless you completely surrender your mind to the traditions of desert scribes that lived in Roman Palestine thousands of years ago. And that is just one religious tradition, the Abrahamic one. Other religious have their own rules.
If God was to abide by your terms and give you an undeniable sign of his power......turn the sun green with purple polka dots, spell out "Hello Ray, I AM GOD" with the stars or whatever it is you require of him would you give your life to him then and there?
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If God was to abide by your terms and give you an undeniable sign of his power......turn the sun green with purple polka dots, spell out "Hello Ray, I AM GOD" with the stars or whatever it is you require of him would you give your life to him then and there?
Give your life to someone/something?
Impossible.
You can't own life.
This life is just borrowed.
And even then who would give his/her live away?
Only a fool obviously.
If you observe closely it isn't even "your" life.
There's nothing to give (away).
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Give your life to someone/something?
Impossible.
You can't own life.
This life is just borrowed.
And even then who would give his/her live away?
Only a fool obviously.
If you observe closely it isn't even "your" life.
There's nothing to give (away).
I understand where you're coming from.
My question is posed from the Christian worldview. So considering that, what would your answer be?
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I understand where you're coming from.
My question is posed from the Christian worldview. So considering that, what would your answer be?
Can't relate.
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Can't relate.
So that I'm clear. When I ask you "if God were to give you whatever sign/evidence/verification you personally demand to prove his existence would you then become a believer and follow him in all you do" (which is a direct restatement of my previous question for the sake of clarity) you're unable to provide a "yes" or "no" response? Is that what you're telling me?
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Give your life to someone/something?
Impossible.
You can't own life.
This life is just borrowed.
And even then who would give his/her live away?
Only a fool obviously.
If you observe closely it isn't even "your" life.
There's nothing to give (away).
This is the issue: You would need to prove two things, in order to follow God: 1) that he actually exists, and 2) that he intervenes in the affairs of our every day lives, sends people to heaven and hell, etc. If God was proven to exist, but held no sway over the affairs of man (Deism), then why worship him? On the other hand, if point 2 also existed, would you then follow him?
Personally, Id have to think long and hard about my answer. I'd have to know A LOT more about this God, in order to come to a decision.
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If I were God, I'd do this:
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So that I'm clear. When I ask you "if God were to give you whatever sign/evidence/verification you personally demand to prove his existence would you then become a believer and follow him in all you do" (which is a direct restatement of my previous question for the sake of clarity) you're unable to provide a "yes" or "no" response? Is that what you're telling me?
This is a non-issue for me.
Therefore whether a "no" nor a "yes".
I know from experience there is just one "thing".
Everything is made of that one "thing". It encompasses everything.
Said "thing" appears to the mind as separate "things".
But All is One in reality.
Every form (material and spiritual and ... ) that exists began at one point in time to exist and must therefore cease eventually.
Therefore it is illusion.
I don't demand signs from illusions.
And I won't give "my life" to such illusions also.
HTH
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ob1 working his way up to 500 posts a day
things that make you go hmmm ;)
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ob1 working his way up to 500 posts a day
things that make you go hmmm ;)
Let's see if i can break 500.
Should be no problem if I got the time.
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This is a non-issue for me.
Therefore whether a "no" nor a "yes".
I know from experience there is just one "thing".
Everything is made of that one "thing". It encompasses everything.
Said "thing" appears to the mind as separate "things".
But All is One in reality.
Every form (material and spiritual and ... ) that exists began at one point in time to exist and must therefore cease eventually.
Therefore it is illusion.
I don't demand signs from illusions.
And I won't give "my life" to such illusions also.
HTH
You just told me you can't relate to the Christian worldview and can't provide an answer, yet you can make absolute statements about God ("the spiritual")?
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Saying "I believe and worship god" is equal to saying - "I believe and worship alcohol". Both makes a person feel better (artificially). If someone says - dude, you are merely trying to camouflage your inner issues with that, said person would go "What issues? I have no since I found alcohol. You should try too, and THEN you will understand that there IS hope!", and a sober person would just shake head, like usualy happens when trying to appeal to an alcoholic that he should stop drinking and start taking his life in his own hands, while he resists by saying "I feel great, why would I stop believing and worshiping something that finally allows me to feel at ease?".
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You just told me you can't relate to the Christian worldview and can't provide an answer, yet you can make absolute statements about God ("the spiritual") something you can't describe?
It is not spiritual.
It is merely beyond.
It is one.
In the spiritual world ( just like in the material world ) things still appear separate from each other.
Although not as "dense" as in the material world.
And I won't give it a name.
Any name will limit the limitless.
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It is not spiritual.
It is merely beyond.
It is one.
In the spiritual world ( just like in the material world ) things still appear separate from each other.
Although not as "dense" as in the material world.
And I won't give it a name.
Any name will limit the limitless.
So God is not spiritual, but is beyond (or transcends). Although, there is a spiritual world and a material world and it is one, but things in spiritual appear to separate from one another. Although, the material world is more dense and you won't name it because a name will limit the limitless.
Two questions:
1) Is that correct?
2) What?
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So God is not spiritual, but is beyond (or transcends). Although, there is a spiritual world and a material world and it is one, but things in spiritual appear to separate from one another. Although, the material world is more dense and you won't name it because a name will limit the limitless.
Two questions:
1) Is that correct?
2) What?
LOL
I don't know.
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LOL
I don't know.
Fair enough.
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It is absurd and uncommon to force political worldviews on children so why is it acceptable to force religious ones?
I have a 6 year old daughter that is completely dependent upon me and my wife (her mother) for care.
My wife and I are believers and attend church and religious functions regularly.
How should we handle our 6 year old daughter as it pertains to our attendance at church and religious functions?
When my daughter comes to me or my wife with questions about religion how should we respond?
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I have a 6 year old daughter that is completely dependent upon me and my wife (her mother) for care.
My wife and I are believers and attend church and religious functions regularly.
How should we handle our 6 year old daughter as it pertains to our attendance at church and religious functions?
When my daughter comes to me or my wife with questions about religion how should we respond?
Tell her that she needs to search for the answers herself, since there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
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Tell her that she needs to search for the answers herself, since there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
Ok, so when my 6 year old who's learning to read asks me about God I should tell to her search for the answers herself. Got it.
But, I can fall back on the truth that there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
"Why did Jesus die on a cross Daddy?" "Because mashed potatos taste good sweetheart." Got it.
What should we do about the church attendance situation?
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Parents have the right and obligation to teach their children. If you are dependent on me, you will live by my rules....when you're old enough and can take care of yourself you can decide anything/everything...but until then, if I say the sun is the moon then it is the moon!
Fixed.
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Ok, so when my 6 year old who's learning to read asks me about God I should tell to her search for the answers herself. Got it.
This answer isn't complete without explaining the why
But, I can fall back on the truth that there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
Yes
"Why did Jesus die on a cross Daddy?" "Because mashed potatos taste good sweetheart." Got it.
That's what they did back in the day with people who came with all sorts of claims.
What should we do about the church attendance situation?
Give her the option to choose between this or visiting a friend
You're welcome
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This answer isn't complete without explaining the why
Yes
That's what they did back in the day with people who came with all sorts of claims.
Give her the option to choose between this or visiting a friend
You're welcome
Please explain how I should explain to her the "why".
Got it.
So the example I gave is perfectly acceptable? Which "they"? Which "day"? Which "people"? What "claims"?
Is another family of believers appropriate? We don't have any non-believing friends, is this an issue? What if they're attending church?
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Your post reminded me of a Christopher Hitchens quote.
"By trying to adjust to the findings that it once tried so viciously to ban and repress, religion has only succeeded in restating the same questions that undermined it in earlier epochs. What kind of designer or creator is so wasteful and capricious and approximate? What kind of designer or creator is so cruel and indifferent? Andmost of allwhat kind of designer or creator only chooses to reveal himself to semi-stupefied peasants in desert regions?"
―The Portable Atheist (Christopher Hitchens)
I think highly of Hitch, he came from a fine tradition of British debating.
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Please explain how I should explain to her the "why".
Well, like I've said before,
Tell her that she needs to search for the answers herself, since there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
Got it.
So the example I gave is perfectly acceptable? Which "they"? Which "day"? Which "people"? What "claims"?
The problem with all of these questions, is that there are no objective answers, so challenging her to find out is the best reaction in my book. However, since you prob (correct me when I'm wrong) think in terms of facts instead of personal beliefs, it's prob impossible for you to response like this (with all respect!)
Is another family of believers appropriate? We don't have any non-believing friends, is this an issue? What if they're attending church?
I mean a friend (school/sports/neighbor..) of her, and I can only hope she has non-believing friends as well.
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Well, like I've said before,
The problem with all of these questions, is that there are no objective answers, so challenging her to find out is the best reaction in my book. However, since you prob (correct me when I'm wrong) think in terms of facts instead of personal beliefs, it's prob impossible for you to response like this (with all respect!)
I mean a friend (school/sports/neighbor..) of her, and I can only hope she has non-believing friends as well.
I don't take offense. Given the repeat accusations towards me and other Christians brainwashing our kiddos I decided to defer to the subject matter experts in this thread and have y'all layout solutions.
Obviously as adult individuals (her parents) we aren't giving up our faith in God, we still desire to love and care for our children, we're called to share the gospel with the world, I'm meant to act as spiritual leader in my home and we certainly don't want to brainwash our children so I thought I better ask the body of objectors for the solution.
Yes, we know nonbelievers and she has little friends that are nonbelievers, but we don't know these families (or other families of believers) enough to entrust the care of our daughter to them yet.
Here's a question: The idea that we Christians brainwash our kids is thrown out repeatedly, but what constitutes said brainwashing? Define it for me and give examples if you would.
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I mean a friend (school/sports/neighbor..)
Very impractical and unrealistic to expect to be able to do on a consistent basis.
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If God was to abide by your terms and give you an undeniable sign of his power......turn the sun green with purple polka dots, spell out "Hello Ray, I AM GOD" with the stars or whatever it is you require of him would you give your life to him then and there?
Do you mean become a priest and fondle little boys? Or do you mean ignore your overt hypocrisy and just attend church once a week and sing ridiculous hymns and then listen to the kiddy fiddler preach.
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Do you mean become a priest and fondle little boys? Or do you mean ignore your overt hypocrisy and just attend church once a week and sing ridiculous hymns and then listen to the kiddy fiddler preach.
You're referring to the Catholic church. I'm a Christian....a follower of Christ. I let the RCC do their thing. I'm talking about repenting of sin, not engaging in willful sin, spreading the gospel message to others, taking every word and thought captive and generally living as a representative for Christ in a state of righteousness.
Now that's cleared up, if God was to abide by your terms and give you an undeniable sign of his power, existence and authority......turn the sun green with purple polka dots, spell out "Hello Mr. Plato, I AM GOD" with the stars or whatever it is you require of him would you give your life to him then and there?
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Ok, so when my 6 year old who's learning to read asks me about God I should tell to her search for the answers herself. Got it.
You just tell him the truth, that their is zero evidence for a GOD but some people need something to get through life so make one up.
But, I can fall back on the truth that there are no right or wrong answers about religion.
That's a lie because their are plenty of right and wrong answers about religion
"Why did Jesus die on a cross Daddy?" "Because mashed potatos taste good sweetheart." Got it.
You tell him what the religious nutters believe but then say you personally don't even know why as it was so long ago and historical accuracy is difficult to obtain and that the evidence for the existence of Jesus is questionable, best just to see it as a parable or a metaphor.
What should we do about the church attendance situation?
Church attendance is irrelevant, who cares? If God wants more attendees he will just have to get busy revealing himself to others.
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You just tell him the truth, that their is zero evidence for a GOD but some people need something to get through life so make one up.
That's a lie because their are plenty of right and wrong answers about religion
You tell him what the religious nutters believe but then say you personally don't even know why as it was so long ago and historical accuracy is difficult to obtain and that the evidence for the existence of Jesus is questionable, best just to see it as a parable or a metaphor.
Church attendance is irrelevant, who cares? If God wants more attendees he will just have to get busy revealing himself to others.
Well, I can present all kinds of evidence and resolve many, many, many biblical objections. So despite that you're suggesting that I lie to my child and tell her I can't do something when I clearly can?
You are correct.
Again, I can discuss all these issues and provide solid insights, but you're suggesting again that I ignore that information and lie?
Actually the "church attendance" issue we were discussing previously is in reference to me and my wife being believers and attending church and other religious events, but not being able to bring our daughter because apparently that's brainwashing. Question was, how do we overcome that situation?
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I don't take offense. Given the repeat accusations towards me and other Christians brainwashing our kiddos I decided to defer to the subject matter experts in this thread and have y'all layout solutions.
Obviously as adult individuals (her parents) we aren't giving up our faith in God, we still desire to love and care for our children, we're called to share the gospel with the world, I'm meant to act as spiritual leader in my home and we certainly don't want to brainwash our children so I thought I better ask the body of objectors for the solution.
Yes, we know nonbelievers and she has little friends that are nonbelievers, but we don't know these families (or other families of believers) enough to entrust the care of our daughter to them yet.
Here's a question: The idea that we Christians brainwash our kids is thrown out repeatedly, but what constitutes said brainwashing? Define it for me and give examples if you would.
Glad you're not offended! So far you've always expressed your thoughts/ideas on this place with the best intentions without a fundamentalist undertone, so I won't think in terms of 'brainwashing'. However, and this is very human, it becomes hard to speak objectively about something which is very existential and meaningful to you.
Well, why not bring a visit to those families? It's important for her social skills & well being to have/make friends.
Back to your question about brainwashing. I believe this happens in all sorts of religions when people are/become dogmatic & fundamentalist. You have all sorts of brainwashing, but saying to your child that is goes to hell when he/she refuses to obey Jesus is one of the most brutal ones I can think of.
Very impractical and unrealistic to expect to be able to do on a consistent basis.
It becomes complicated at least, depending on how often someone goes to church and the size of your social circle.
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Glad you're not offended! So far you've always expressed your thoughts/ideas on this place with the best intentions without a fundamentalist undertone, so I won't think in terms of 'brainwashing'. However, and this is very human, it becomes hard to speak objectively about something which is very existential and meaningful to you.
Well, why not bring a visit to those families? It's important for her social skills & well being to have/make friends.
Back to your question about brainwashing. I believe this happens in all sorts of religions when people are/become dogmatic & fundamentalist. You have all sorts of brainwashing, but saying to your child that is goes to hell when he/she refuses to obey Jesus is one of the most brutal ones I can think of.
It becomes complicated at least, depending on how often someone goes to church and the size of your social circle.
So that I understand, expresssing a fundamental truth in scripture to my child is brainwashing?
Have you considered that there are appropriate ways to introduce the gospel and biblical truths to children and the doctrine of hell (although completely relevant) may be beyond their ability to comprehend?
As it stands I have not introduced the concept of hell to my daughter.
What else is considered brainwashing?
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It becomes complicated at least, depending on how often someone goes to church and the size of your social circle.
Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.
I guess they could get used to it. But I don't get the big deal of just going.
If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to not want to share that with your kids. Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions.
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Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.
I guess they could get used to it. But I don't get the big deal of just going.
If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to want to share that with your kids. Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions anyway.
This is exactly what I'm trying to get the folks in this thread to explain. Instead of just the generic "brainwashing" generically encompassing everything "religious" explain more specifically what is meant by that term and provide the solutions (I'm assuming the religious-objectors have) to over come it.
Not taking the kids, leaving them somewhere (a friend's house), not answering questions (when I have answers) or just lying to them....that's top of the head stuff that won't cut it.
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So that I understand, expresssing a fundamental truth in scripture to my child is brainwashing?
Dang, there you have it... You're expressing your belief, based on something in the Bible as 'a fundamental truth in scripture'. To me this just shows that you're prob incapable to stay objective on the matter, and again, this is very human.
Have you considered that there are appropriate ways to introduce the gospel and biblical truths to children and the doctrine of hell (although completely relevant) may be beyond their ability to comprehend?
No, since I'me a non-believer without children, and dang, there you have it again, you say 'biblical truths'.
As it stands I have not introduced the concept of hell to my daughter.
What else is considered brainwashing?
By speaking in terms of 'truth' and 'facts'. At a young age, a child isn't capable to understand that these qualifications are highly subjective, since they're nothing more than your personal beliefs.
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Dang, there you have it... You're expressing your belief, based on something in the Bible as 'a fundamental truth in scripture'. To me this just shows that you're prob incapable to stay objective on the matter, and again, this is very human.
No, since I'me a non-believer without children, and dang, there you have it again, you say 'biblical truths'.
By speaking in terms of 'truth' and 'facts'. At a young age, a child isn't capable to understand that these qualifications are highly subjective, since they're nothing more than your personal beliefs.
So basically what you're saying is not to present them anything from the bible because we believe all of the bible is true (cover to cover) and because of our fundamental position and accepatance of scripture virtually anything we would teach is considered brainwashing.
If we had a more liberal view of scripture that would be more palatable for you? Throw out this and that as it suits a preference?
So you're now speaking of subjectivity and I agree that topic is too advanced for most kiddos. It isn't for me though. That said, why is your understanding of scripture and the things of God more correct than my understanding of scripture and the things of God? Mine is grounded in absolute experience, special revelation, study and fellowship.
From what I've gathered of the nonbelievers in this thread the vast majority have no understanding of anything of God beyond meme-ish internet information and old religious cliches (this thread is riddled with that nonsense). I'm not lumping you into that category or trying to be offensive, but if you have no experience with the things of God then you really have no reason to post an opinion let alone espouse an absolute truth concerning that which you are ironically and fully ignorant.
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So basically what you're saying is not to present them anything from the bible because we believe all of the bible is true....cover to cover. Fundamentally that is our foundation. If we had a more liberal view of scripture that would be more palatable for you?
Partly yes, I believe that you should stop referring to the Bible over and over again. Instead, share your(!) personal ideas, thoughts & feelings with your daughter.
No, to me it doesn't matter which ideology you have, as long it's a peaceful one.
So you're now speaking of subjectivity and I agree that topic is too advanced for most kiddos. It isn't for me though. That said, why is your understanding of scripture and the things of God more correct than my understanding of scripture and the things of God? Mine is grounded in absolute experience, special revelation, study and fellowship.
All of our ideas about religion are subjective, so -again- there are NO right of wrong answers. Just like you, all of us follow a certain 'journey of life' where we discover our believes. Mine isn't better or worse than yours...
From what I've gathered of the nonbelievers in this thread the vast majority have no understanding of anything of God beyond meme-ish internet information and old religious cliches (this thread is riddled with that nonsense). I'm not lumping you into that category or trying to be offensive, but if you have no experience with the things of God then you really have no reason to post an opinion let alone espouse an absolute truth concerning that which you are ironically and fully ignorant.
Because you tend to think in terms of 'truth' and 'facts', you also think in terms of 'understanding' as well, which is understandable. However, like I've explained above, I don't believe in these terms when they are related to religions (i.e. certain beliefs).
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You're referring to the Catholic church. I'm a Christian....a follower of Christ. I let the RCC do their thing. I'm talking about repenting of sin, not engaging in willful sin, spreading the gospel message to others, taking every word and thought captive and generally living as a representative for Christ in a state of righteousness.
So you're basically twisting the faith as you see it suits you. It's either Bible to the T, or it is twisting by personal needs.
What is faith without religion and clear guidelines "how to believe"? Exactly - it is nothing. or is that about simply believing that SOMETHING exists? What's the point? (you weren't able to aswer this the last time).
MOS, ffs, you are defending this just because you know that if not being drunk on religion - you'd go right back to simply being drunk. We get it - it helps you to get through life, which was obviously too difficult to deal for you, but you should understand that there are actually strong people out there who doesn't need to get drunk to feel good, they are succesfully navigating in this survival game and are perfectly happy without imaginary friends, no need to preach "god" for them. I shit on your god, even if it's real - I double shit on him, I dont need no help from a sadistic and brutally merciless creature, he may very well go fuck himself while watching all the blood rivers that are flowing on this insignificant piece of space dust.
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He died on a cross for our fucking sins. You should some God damn respect you bastards!!!
Oh, and donate about 3% of your income to the church. They need to spread the word.
If people were taught religion starting at 18, the vast majority would walk out laughing. A child's mind is quite easy to mold. If nobody told you Santa didn't exist, you'd still believe that one.
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He died on a cross for our fucking sins. You should some God damn respect you bastards!!!
Oh, and donate about 3% of your income to the church. They need to spread the word.
If people were taught religion starting at 18, the vast majority would walk out laughing. A child's mind is quite easy to mold. If nobody told you Santa didn't exist, you'd still believe that one.
Don't you dare say that Santa doesn't exist. Your breaking my heart.
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He died on a cross for our fucking sins. You should some God damn respect you bastards!!!
That's what the highly questionable church is telling us.
+Meltdown.
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Predictable. We go from "having kids" to "God".
This God character must be really powerful own all these narcisstic bodybuilding minds.
Maybe if he became an IFBB judge he really turn some things around.
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Predictable. We go from "having kids" to "God".
Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.
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Personal attacks need to stop.
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Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.
You are quite right. My apologies.
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Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.
He cannot help himself. Diarrhea of the mouth.
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Newsflash Prime - this is getbig and that last "all anal" suggestion was an obvious JOKE.
Not all posts on getbig are serious or factual.
Hope this helps
You have to understand that when Prime see's the word "anal", he gets wet around the rim and all his senses become blurred.
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He cannot help himself. Diarrhea of the mouth.
There is no point in attacking fundamendalists. You only validate their worldview, which teaches them that they are superior and inscrutable and the world envies, misunderstands and wants to destroy them.
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Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.
I guess they could get used to it. But I don't get the big deal of just going.
If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to not want to share that with your kids. Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions.
1. Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2. After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.
Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.
Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different. The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence. The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.
At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel. You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves. Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight. If he's lucky, he won't live to see it. If he's unlucky, they'll confront him. If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.
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There is no point in attacking fundamendalists. You only validate their worldview, which teaches them that they are superior and inscrutable and the world envies, misunderstands and wants to destroy them.
You know MOS goes to his church on Sunday and tells all his church friends how he "owned" atheists online. That all us atheists crumbled and lost the debate, and he spread the Christian word in triumph. That we all succumbed to him, and the Lord's presence. I bet that is how he actually views all of this. :D :D
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So you're basically twisting the faith as you see it suits you. It's either Bible to the T, or it is twisting by personal needs.
What is faith without religion and clear guidelines "how to believe"? Exactly - it is nothing. or is that about simply believing that SOMETHING exists? What's the point? (you weren't able to aswer this the last time).
MOS, ffs, you are defending this just because you know that if not being drunk on religion - you'd go right back to simply being drunk. We get it - it helps you to get through life, which was obviously too difficult to deal for you, but you should understand that there are actually strong people out there who doesn't need to get drunk to feel good, they are succesfully navigating in this survival game and are perfectly happy without imaginary friends, no need to preach "god" for them. I shit on your god, even if it's real - I double shit on him, I dont need no help from a sadistic and brutally merciless creature, he may very well go fuck himself while watching all the blood rivers that are flowing on this insignificant piece of space dust.
I don't even read your posts anymore.
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I make no mention about my discussions on this board with anyone with the occassional exception of my wife.
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I don't even read your posts anymore.
I read that one and wish I hadn't, the poor thing tries so hard.
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Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.
Atheists introduced God into the original thread by mocking my posts about children. I made no mention of God and "LOL'd" the God-hate mockery and left it alone. When I finally noted my position and included a statement about God it was at that exact post that the thread was split into this one. I had no control over it, but I'm blamed for it. LOL, whatever.
Read it for yourself: Radical Plato and da_vinci randomly begin mockery of me and my faith, El Diablo Blanco asks me a question about God (I give a yes answer only), you follow up with more mockery of my yes response, SF1900 follows you with more mockery about my faith and God (this is page 6 of 9) and then Radical Plato and SF divert the thread for three more pages about child abuse and what not (pages 7 to 9). I return a day later and make one post including my faith and the thread is instantly split:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=596467.msg8378615#msg8378615
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I read that one and wish I hadn't, the poor thing tries so hard.
What do you mean by this?
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Atheists introduced God into the original thread by mocking my posts about children. I made no mention of God and "LOL'd" the God-hate mockery and left it alone. When I finally noted my position and included a statement about God it was at that exact post that the thread was split into this one. I had no control over it, but I'm blamed for it. LOL, whatever.
It is true you were attacked immediately after posting a non-religious message in reply to the original thread. The post on this thread, however, stands on its own. It does not read as a reply to anything.
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It is true you were attacked immediately after posting a non-religious message in reply to the original thread. The post on this thread, however, stands on its own. It does not read as a reply to anything.
So why was I blamed when y'all know this? Why wasn't the thread split at page 7-9 when Plato and SF diverted the topic to child abuse?
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1. Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2. After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.
Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.
Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different. The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence. The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.
At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel. You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves. Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight. If he's lucky, he won't live to see it. If he's unlucky, they'll confront him. If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.
Man up and speak to me directly if you have something to say about my family. You know what....that's alright...y'all say whatever you want. Y'all make this up as you go anyhow.
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So why was I blamed when y'all know this? Why wasn't the thread split at page 7-9 when Plato and SF diverted the topic to child abuse?
Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.
I didn't bother with the original thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.
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1. Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2. After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.
Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.
Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different. The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence. The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.
At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel. You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves. Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight. If he's lucky, he won't live to see it. If he's unlucky, they'll confront him. If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.
I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle. Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.
You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience. Which is fine. You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad. So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.
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Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.
I didn't bother with this thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.
I appreciate that...all good. Yes, introducing God always gets people going.
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I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle. Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.
You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience. Which is fine. You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad. So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.
Most folks only associate God and church with the corruption of the Catholic church, the antics of Westboro Baptist church, the documentary on the little kids at the strange bible camp and Bill Maher's Religulous.
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Man up and speak to me directly if you have something to say about my family. You know what....that's alright...y'all say whatever you want. Y'all make this up as you go anyhow.
What have I made up?
My parents were a lot like you. In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.
It won't last. Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.
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What have I made up?
My parents were a lot like you. In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.
It won't last. Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.
will they have eating disorders as well? :D
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I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle. Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.
The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.
You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience. Which is fine. You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad. So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.
Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing. And many others can say the same.
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The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.
Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing. And many others can say the same.
I can.
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What have I made up?
My parents were a lot like you. In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.
It won't last. Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.
I'm sorry that your family lost their way.
Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless? Yes.
Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality? Not for a moment.
My grandparents went to their graves with their faith in God. My parents will go to their graves with their faith, my siblings will go to their graves with theirs and we're raising our children to make a choice for God also in their lives.
I'm on a daily mission to arm myself to the hilt spiritually so I can prepare my children for the eventualities this world has in store for believers.
This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers. I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.
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The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.
Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing.
So, now that you've recognized that, can't you stop having them?
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Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.
I didn't bother with the original thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.
That is why I said what I said. I was thinking this was the original thread from Thong Maniac. When you reminded me that it was not.
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If I were God, I'd do this:
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It would prove God is a getbigger :D
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I'm sorry that your family lost their way.
Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless? Yes.
Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality? Not for a moment.
My grandparents went to their graves with their faith in God. My parents will go to their graves with their faith, my siblings will go to their graves with theirs and we're raising our children to make a choice for God also in their lives.
I'm on a daily mission to arm myself to the hilt spiritually so I can prepare my children for the eventualities this world has in store for believers.
This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers. I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.
MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.
Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?
Thanks for an honest reply.
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Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.
I guess they could get used to it. But I don't get the big deal of just going.
If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to not want to share that with your kids. Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions.
Ok, all this philosophical debate is all well and good , but here's some get big reality .
1.Talk to a man who is thinking about having his 1st kid ( like Thong Maniac).
2. Have him watch at least 5 Jason Genova videos.
3. Tell that there is small but real chance he could end up with THAT as his future son.
Talk about effective birth control :D
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MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.
Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?
Thanks for an honest reply.
He won't answer this. If he does, Ill be surprised.
He's going to say something like, "This is not for me to say. This is a question that can only be answered by God. Your relationship with God is between yourself and him. In some way, you will have to answer to your God." I believe he has said something like this in the past.
Deep down inside, MOS does think you're going to Hell. He just doesn't want to say so, because he doesn't want to come across as a "mean" Christian.
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He won't answer this. If he does, Ill be surprised.
He's going to say something like, "This is not for me to say. This is a question that can only be answered by God. Your relationship with God is between yourself and him. In some way, you will have to answer to your God." I believe he has said something like this in the past.
Deep down inside, MOS does think you're going to Hell. He just doesn't want to say so, because he doesn't want to come across as a "mean" Christian.
Sounds quite accurate to me.
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You have to understand that when Prime see's the word "anal", he gets wet around the rim and all his senses become blurred.
You would know.
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MOS ; serious , quick, basic question.
Do believe I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in Jesus like a born again Christian?
Thanks for an honest reply.
Yes. Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.
That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ. He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness. Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.
Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever. All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.
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The more seriously people take to Christianity, the worse off they will be.
Maybe not, but my neuroses stem, in part, from my religious upbringing. And many others can say the same.
My good friend has been royally fucked up by his very religious parents (not christians, but that doesn't matter). Has lots of passive agression towards them now, even tho he's still quite religious, but more confused than religious. He's weak too, just as were his parents, and he doesn't like it (deprssed often). His family instead of raising him as a strong individual, consciously conditioned him to indulge in a religious "buzz". Well they didn't know any better, quite difficult to find who's responsible for what.
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Just another random message saying "don't do it man" Don't have kids, ya not gonna sleep or sleep in for a long ass time....
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Yes. Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.
That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ. He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness. Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.
Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever. All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.
It's disappointing that you say that, since I thought you weren't a God fearing Christian..
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Yes. Those that reject Jesus Christ as God, Lord and Savior have no advocate before the Father and they will be judged according to their life and offenses committed against God therein.
That's another reason I persist on these boards, but despite the mockery and ridicule (of which you provide none...thank you) I still love these folks because I know what it means to live as a person without Christ and a person with Christ. He can make a decent man a righteous man and he can make a complete wretch of a man a brand new creature clothed in righteousness. Seeing the transformation in people's lives (and in my own) has been awesome.
Don't want to see any of you separated from God forever. All I can do is share Jesus Christ and pray for God's drawing upon your lives.
This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him. It's absurd in the extreme.
And there are no decent men, we are made indecent. I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness. I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete cun+s, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people. They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense. They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.
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This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him. It's absurd in the extreme.
And there are no decent men, we are made indecent. I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness. I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete ciunts, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people. They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense. They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.
Behind it all, MOS is an extremely condescending person. This is why he constantly edits his posts, so he comes off as "nice" and "loving." But if you catch his original posts (without the edits), you see the real person shine through.
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Behind it all, MOS is an extremely condescending person. This is why he constantly edits his posts, so he comes off as "nice" and "loving." But if you catch his original posts (without the edits), you see the real person shine through.
He "doesn't even read my posts" lol.. because I ask the "wrong" questions. I've had quite some religious debates in real life too. Needless to say every single one of these who tried arguing with me experienced a total nervous meltdown, sooner or later. And I do it in a very respectful manner (when irl), no ad hominem, no inappropriate remarks. I never do it with my newer friends who happen to be religious, even if they try (and they try pretty often. Probably feel that I have "something" that enables me to stay sober, and subconsciously they want to shake off that addiction too, so start discussions in hopes that someone will prove them wrong) because it's a straight way to get them avoid me, even if I do it in a very very respectful manner, the threat to a belief system presented by a pure critical thinking is way too much to handle.
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He "doesn't even read my posts" lol.. because I ask the "wrong" questions. I've had quite some religious debates in real life too. Needless to say every single one of these who tried arguing with me experienced a total nervous meltdown, sooner or later. And I do it in a very respectful manner (when irl), no ad hominem, no inappropriate remarks. I never do it with my newer friends who happen to be religious, even if they try (and they try pretty often. Probably feel that I have "something" that enables me to stay sober, and subconsciously they want to shake off that addiction too, so start discussions in hopes that someone will prove them wrong) because it's a straight way to get them avoid me, even if I do it in a very very respectful manner, the threat to a belief system presented by a pure critical thinking is way too much to handle.
I don't debate with religious people in real life. They tend to be stuck in their ways, and will never budge.
I debate on getbig, well, because its getbig. :D :D
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This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him. It's absurd in the extreme.
And there are no decent men, we are made indecent. I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness. I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete cun+s, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people. They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense. They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.
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So, now that you've recognized that, can't you stop having them?
To fix your mind, you have to change your beliefs. To change your beliefs, you have to have the opportunity, desire, and strength to both learn and unlearn.
I'm trying. But the mind is little understood. Nietzsche said all animals are innocent, and man doubly so. It was a good joke, but you have to suffer some ill-fortune to laugh at it.
Children have teachers, parents, time to learn, and clean, growing brains. They build concepts and thought processes rapidly. Adults have responsibilities, competitors, calcified minds, and doctors with "treatments" at the ready.
It's a hard day when you realize, at last, that you're the terminal branch of a sick family tree. And this realization is in store for many present-day Christians.
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I'm sorry that your family lost their way.
Funny you should say this. From your perspective, I lost my way.
Will this world continue to become increasingly more and more Godless? Yes.
Am I going to abandon my children because of that eventuality? Not for a moment.
They'll abandon you. And if not, then their children will abandon them.
You're sowing the seeds of familial discord, and your descendants will reap them.
This forum bickering serves a few important purposes and one of them is practice so that I can learn the perspective and tactics of those that hate God and oppose believers. I can pass knowledge onto my kids so that they're 2-3 times more prepared than I was.
You can prepare all you want, but you won't stem the tide. And the harder you struggle, the more damage your children will take.
The reward for their piety, sadly, lies in this world, not the next. And a dead God has little left to spare them.
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To fix your mind, you have to change your beliefs. To change your beliefs, you have to have the opportunity, desire, and strength to both learn and unlearn.
I'm trying. But the mind is little understood. Nietzsche said all animals are innocent, and man doubly so. It was a good joke, but you have to suffer some ill-fortune to laugh at it.
Children have teachers, parents, time to learn, and clean, growing brains. They build concepts and thought processes rapidly. Adults have responsibilities, competitors, calcified minds, and doctors with "treatments" at the ready.
It's a hard day when you realize, at last, that you're the terminal branch of a sick family tree. And this realization is in store for many present-day Christians.
I think Nietzsche wrote 'All of humanity is innocent of its existence; but women are doubly innocent'
Here it is in context
"Will and willingness.-- Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his head and smiled. "It is men," said he, "that corrupt women; and all the failings of women should be atoned by and improved in men. For it is man who creates for himself the image of woman, and woman forms herself according to this image."
"You are too kind-hearted about women," said one of those present; "you do not know them." The sage replied: "Will is the manner of men; willingness that of women. That is the law of the sexes - truly, a hard law for women. All of humanity is innocent of its existence; but women are doubly innocent. Who could have oil and kindness enough for them?"
"Damn oil! Damn kindness!" someone shouted out of the crowd; "Women need to be educated better!" - "Men need to be educated better," said the sage and beckoned to the youth to follow him. - The youth, however, did not follow him."
from Nietzsche's The Gay Science
I take it as a defining of the relationship between the sexes as a master/slave scenario, and that if women are poor servants that is because man is a poor master. Basically women aren't as responsible as men, therefore men should lead better.
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I take it as a defining of the relationship between the sexes as a master/slave scenario, and that if women are poor servants that is because man is a poor master. Basically women aren't as responsible as men, therefore men should lead better.
Master/slave sounds a bit harsh.
Let's say active/passive.
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Master/slave sounds a bit harsh.
Let's say active/passive.
Well, you could use any number of definitions of duality to describe.
Maybe dominant/submissive is less harsh a description. ;)
And don't worry, the feminists labelled Nietzsche a misogynist for such musings.
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Well, you could use any number of definitions of duality to describe.
Maybe dominant/submissive is less harsh a description. ;)
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Ok.
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It's disappointing that you say that, since I thought you weren't a God fearing Christian..
Interesting. No, I fear and respect God completely.
The gospel message has two parts and the majority of the time only the first part is preached....that's the message of grace. The second half is the portion Jesus Christ spoke of more than any other....that's the message of the wrath of God's judgment. There was no greater hellfire preacher than Jesus Christ and his message was grace and wrath.
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This is bunk! A God who can see the past,present and future, why then would he create an unfaithful sinner that he knows will disappoint him all so he can punish him. It's absurd in the extreme.
And there are no decent men, we are made indecent. I think that's what disturbs me the most about the God Botherers, there sense of self righteousness. I have a brother who married a religious whackjob, they look down their nose at everyone and they are complete cun+s, they behave terribly, they are extremely judgemental, they are typical hypocrites and yet they think they are highly decent people. They pretend to CARE but when people need help they abandon them justifying it with some religious nonsense. They avoid me like the plague because they know I will call them out on their bullshit and remind them that their SHIT stinks just like everyone else's.
Answers to all objections in this post are in my post history.
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He "doesn't even read my posts" lol.. because I ask the "wrong" questions. I've had quite some religious debates in real life too. Needless to say every single one of these who tried arguing with me experienced a total nervous meltdown, sooner or later. And I do it in a very respectful manner (when irl), no ad hominem, no inappropriate remarks. I never do it with my newer friends who happen to be religious, even if they try (and they try pretty often. Probably feel that I have "something" that enables me to stay sober, and subconsciously they want to shake off that addiction too, so start discussions in hopes that someone will prove them wrong) because it's a straight way to get them avoid me, even if I do it in a very very respectful manner, the threat to a belief system presented by a pure critical thinking is way too much to handle.
I shared the gospel message with you and you rejected it completely. You've persisted with some other mockery and stuff after the fact....so be it. I haven't even begun to debate with you.....we haven't done that....trust me I can debate you from sunup to sundown and defend my faith. You're a "black and white atheist" that will never be reasoned with as it pertains to theists....I know the type. You've confirmed here what I already sniffed out. You can consult my post history for answers to things if you want....there's also google.
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Funny you should say this. From your perspective, I lost my way.
They'll abandon you. And if not, then their children will abandon them.
You're sowing the seeds of familial discord, and your descendants will reap them.
You can prepare all you want, but you won't stem the tide. And the harder you struggle, the more damage your children will take.
The reward for their piety, sadly, lies in this world, not the next. And a dead God has little left to spare them.
I'll take my chances, but thanks for the guidance.
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No concepts are as ludicrous as heaven and hell. I wonder how it is possible for modern men to believe in such fairy tales.
Everyone is going to hell according to someone else's religion. Even different denominations in the same religion believe each other is going to hell. This alone reveals the extremely contradictory nature of religion. It is contradictory because it was made by men and men are contradictory. In reality there is no heaven and hell and when you die, you die. Dying is a terrifying concept. In my opinion, one of the reasons religions were created was to offer some kind of hope to people who spent their entire lives in terrible conditions. And if you study the environments where religions originally flourished, especially the Abrahamic tradition, it makes sense. To a peasant living in Roman Palestine, toiling under conditions we would find brutal, it must have been especially sweet to hear that they will be rewarded with eternal happiness in death and their oppressors with eternal damnation.
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You can prepare all you want, but you won't stem the tide. And the harder you struggle, the more damage your children will take.
The reward for their piety, sadly, lies in this world, not the next. And a dead God has little left to spare them.
This, I truly believe. Leaving the personal tone aside, the closer one follows teachings from desert scribes from antiquity, the closer their lives become incompatible with the modern world. It is no surprise that believers are told to not live for the world. The world changes so fast that even individuals like myself, atheist technologists, struggle to understand the consequences of technological progress. How absurd it must all seem to a mind affected by religion!
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No concepts are as ludicrous as heaven and hell. I wonder how is it possible that modern men can believe in such fairy tales.
Everyone is going to hell according to someone else's religion. This alone reveals the extremely contradictory nature of religion. It is contradictory because it was made by men. In reality there is no heaven and hell and when you die, you die. Dying is a terrible concept. In my opinion, one of the reasons religions were created was to offer some kind of hope to people who spend their entire lives in terrible conditions. And if you study the environments where religions originally flourised, it makes sense. To a peasant living in Roman Palestine it must have been especially sweet to hear that they will be rewarded with eternal happiness in death and their oppressors with eternal damnation.
that's really well said.
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No concepts are as ludicrous as heaven and hell. I wonder how it is possible for modern men to believe in such fairy tales.
Everyone is going to hell according to someone else's religion. Even different denominations in the same religion believe each other is going to hell. This alone reveals the extremely contradictory nature of religion. It is contradictory because it was made by men. In reality there is no heaven and hell and when you die, you die. Dying is a terrifying concept. In my opinion, one of the reasons religions were created was to offer some kind of hope to people who spend their entire lives in terrible conditions. And if you study the environments where religions originally flourised, it makes sense. To a peasant living in Roman Palestine, toiling under conditions we would find brutal, it must have been especially sweet to hear that they will be rewarded with eternal happiness in death and their oppressors with eternal damnation.
See, here's the thing. I don't believe we were sent here just to wait around until we die. We are supposed to transcend.
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See, here's the thing. I don't believe we were sent here just to wait around until we die. We are supposed to transcend.
Transcedence has many meanings, why accept a religious one? You transcend every time you exceed your limits.
Having said that, the metaphysical needs of man will be with him for a long time to come, because they are linked with evolution. Religion is an evolutionary relict. But religion was not the only system of thought meant to quiet man's restlessness. Man was restless for as long as there was man.
Read Marcus Aurelius's Meditations (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius#Book_I), an easily understood, accessible book of philosophy, and tell me it is not more elegant than fairy tales about winged creatures and ancestral sins.
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Well, I can present all kinds of evidence and resolve many, many, many biblical objections.
The evidence all starts from the same premise. There is a God and only one God. Everything else flows from there. It is a premise never challenged. But if an argument starts from the wrong premise, it is an invalid argument.
The Christian worldview is predicated on the existence of a being that cannot be proven without submitting to the worldview. This is 100% circular reasoning, it makes no sense whatsoever.
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The Christian worldview is predicated on the existence of a being that cannot be proven without submitting to the worldview. This is 100% circular reasoning, it makes no sense whatsoever.
It's simple.
No offence...
BUT either you are using your brain or you are christian.
You can't have both.
This is also why they are able to recruit most at an early age.
Can't fool a grown-up that easy.
Or maybe you can.
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No concepts are as ludicrous as heaven and hell. I wonder how it is possible for modern men to believe in such fairy tales.
Everyone is going to hell according to someone else's religion. Even different denominations in the same religion believe each other is going to hell. This alone reveals the extremely contradictory nature of religion. It is contradictory because it was made by men and men are contradictory. In reality there is no heaven and hell and when you die, you die. Dying is a terrifying concept. In my opinion, one of the reasons religions were created was to offer some kind of hope to people who spend their entire lives in terrible conditions. And if you study the environments where religions originally flourised, especially the Abrahamic tradition, it makes sense. To a peasant living in Roman Palestine, toiling under conditions we would find brutal, it must have been especially sweet to hear that they will be rewarded with eternal happiness in death and their oppressors with eternal damnation.
That's poetry. And I am being entirely serious. It is so good in fact that I am even tempted to not point out your one spelling error. ;D
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It's simple.
No offence...
BUT either you are using your brain or you are christian.
You can't have both.
This is also why they are able to recruit most at an early age.
Can't fool a grown-up that easy.
Or maybe you can.
That's just it, just because you are an adult in years doesn't mean you are grown-up.
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That's just it, just because you are an adult in years doesn't mean you are grown-up.
True.
Body age doesn't say much.
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Raymondo owning in the latter stages of this thread. He's seriously rational and intelligent.
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Indoctrinating children with religion from birth is child abuse, plain and simple.
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No concepts are as ludicrous as heaven and hell. I wonder how it is possible for modern men to believe in such fairy tales.
Everyone is going to hell according to someone else's religion. Even different denominations in the same religion believe each other is going to hell. This alone reveals the extremely contradictory nature of religion. It is contradictory because it was made by men and men are contradictory. In reality there is no heaven and hell and when you die, you die. Dying is a terrifying concept. In my opinion, one of the reasons religions were created was to offer some kind of hope to people who spend their entire lives in terrible conditions. And if you study the environments where religions originally flourised, especially the Abrahamic tradition, it makes sense. To a peasant living in Roman Palestine, toiling under conditions we would find brutal, it must have been especially sweet to hear that they will be rewarded with eternal happiness in death and their oppressors with eternal damnation.
Well, I'm a person that has experienced both the divine and the demonic so the concepts hold definite truth and meaning for me. I could give you story after story from those that have also experienced similar encounters with heaven and hell. Many believers also never have such encounters. Although, sometimes God touches some unbelievers with a glimpse of heaven and/or hell. These personal testimonies reach across thousands of years of history and are even more prevalent today given our technology. My assumption is that an individual such as yourself who is firmly grounded in their presuppositions and subjectivity (and has admitted no knowledge or experience of God) doesn't even consider said testimonies as anything more than garbage. You simply dismiss the evidence without investigation because it doesnt comport with your presuppositions on a topic with which you are admittedly ignorant....so be it.
So, based upon your logic, given that there are competing theories on heaven and hell (ex: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc) that this alone reveals that the theories are ludicrous (or fallacious). This fallaciousness supported by the idea that the concepts are created by men and men contradict one another. Taken one step further, you qualify your logic with an absolute statement, derived from your subjective opinion, that the reality is when you die you die and that's it. This absolute statement of ironic subjectivity also grounded in the same subject matter ignorance we discussed previously.
On a sidenote, the vast majority of denominational differences are based in adiaphora (non essentials of the faith) and styles of worship. Foundations of salvation and the gospel message are rarely comprised within Christianity. I won't speak for other religions.
You also noted, that religion was invented to comfort folks because of death. I don't argue this because for some religions this is true. It isn't universally true and it isn't for Christianity, but certainly for some religions and cults it is.
Back to your original assertion that heaven and hell is ludicrous because given competing theories created by men and given that men contradict one another the assertion is false. Great. This bit of logic can be applied to many things. Let's take for example the proliferation of competing theories on the topics of the "origin of life" and the origin of the universe. All are therefore deemed ludicrous and fallacious because they are created by men and men contradict one another.
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The evidence all starts from the same premise. There is a God and only one God. Everything else flows from there. It is a premise never challenged. But if an argument starts from the wrong premise, it is an invalid argument.
The Christian worldview is predicated on the existence of a being that cannot be proven without submitting to the worldview. This is 100% circular reasoning, it makes no sense whatsoever.
You are correct that there is God and only one God.
Never challenged? Well, we have atheism, agnosticism, any religion with a plurality of gods and any religion with a different singular god
.its pretty well challenged.
An argument is a collection of premises that lead to a conclusion, but an invalid premise doesnt universally invalidate an argument or a conclusion. Further, the fallaciousness of your God premise is only deemed as such because of your subjectivity and presuppositions. It isnt an absolute truth statement.
Actually, my problem with nonbelievers that engage the Christian worldview is that they often refuse to allow God to be God. They take a supernatural event presided over by God, deem it as false because it cant be accomplished via naturalism and simply remove God from the equation altogether. Thats a convenience in argumentation. Want to make your argument work in a worldview you dont support? Just add and subtract things randomly from that foreign worldview to force it to conform to your own worldview and presuppositions (or invent a different, unrelated worldview). Thats what I object to when people enter the Christian worldview
not allowing God to be God.
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Thats what I object to when people enter the Christian worldview
not allowing God to be God.
Those dirty blasphemous sons of bitches. God Damn them, damn them all to hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those dirty blasphemous sons of bitches. God Damn them, damn them all to hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I understand what you're doing here. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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I understand what you're doing here. Do you understand what I'm saying?
To be honest I get to a point where I just skim over it and internally I am saying to myself blah, blah, blah. The whole debate just seems like an exercise in futility. It's meaningless really, none of us know why we are here or what happens after we are gone, and everything else is just conjecture. You need a god and some others don't! That's the beauty of life, you can live for God, or you can live in spite of him. ;D
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To be honest I get to a point where I just skim over it and internally I am saying to myself blah, blah, blah. The whole debate just seems like an exercise in futility. It's meaningless really, none of us know why we are here or what happens after we are gone, and everything else is just conjecture. You need a god and some others don't! That's the beauty of life, you can live for God, or you can live in spite of him. ;D
I'll just take that as a "no".
The skimming and not reading my posts and "blah, blah, blah" mentality is a recurring theme. Given your mind is made up and isn't changing, I just use objections of atheists as a platform to present the theist perspective and show others that those "scary, tough atheist questions" do have answers. I try and love on everyone, but post primarily for the sake of others that haven't made up their minds. Unfortunately it's the atheists (that don't care about my words at all ;) ) that do the majority of objecting and religious posting for 20+ pages in multiple threads year after year (you know, cause they don't care).
Never once said you can't live every minute of your life without God and be happy as can be.....in fact I've stated that many, many times.
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Religion is for people who need imaginary friends and places to cope with life.
Also religious people still don't get the reasoning behind religion which is to control people.
Well to each his/her own I guess.
But still...
use your brain.
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Let's take for example the proliferation of competing theories on the topics of the "origin of life" and the origin of the universe. All are therefore deemed ludicrous and fallacious because they are created by men and men contradict one another.
You're right, but Raymondo isn't wrong. All theories are ludicrous and fallacious, some moreso than others. Christian theories are more ludicrous than "scientific" theories at this point in history, which explains why most people who still subscribe to the former are either uneducated or indoctrinated as children.
Unfortunately, the latter often suffer serious mental schisms as they attempt to reconcile the theories that they accepted as a child with the theories they learn as adults.
Some say you are "brainwashing" your kids because they do not have the education necessary to question what you teach them. Unfortunately while you instill ancient morals into your children, you aren't teaching them ancient arithmetic, ancient physics, ancient biology, etc. The rest of their rational faculties will develop under modern ("worldly") instruction, at which point they will begin to suffer cognitive dissonance in proportion to their intelligence.
At this point, two outcomes arise:
1. Retain beliefs, continue to suffer.
2. Abandon beliefs, try to reconstruct identity.
Unfortunately, should they choose the latter, they won't have their parents' help. And faced with this challenge, they may take choose to retain their "faith" -- not really "believing", but afraid of the alternative.
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Ok, nobody impregnate anybody until we get to the bottom of this.
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I don't debate with religious people in real life. They tend to be stuck in their ways, and will never budge.
I debate on getbig, well, because its getbig. :D :D
I don't debate religion with anyone. To each their own is my motto.
It does annoy me when folks try to foist their religious beliefs on others, most particularly when I am their target.
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Never once said you can't live every minute of your life without God and be happy as can be.....in fact I've stated that many, many times.
Interesting, I will have to ponder that in the days and weeks ahead.
My current thoughts, (and this is deeply anti-Christian and messed up) are the heaven is not the end goal. We are here to accomplish something special. We need to transcend INSIDE of mortal life , we should not wait for the reward of an afterlife...
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Interesting, I will have to ponder that in the days and weeks ahead.
My current thoughts, (and this is deeply anti-Christian and messed up) are the heaven is not the end goal. We are here to accomplish something special. We need to transcend INSIDE of mortal life , we should not wait for the reward of an afterlife...
I vowed to not get sucked into this off topic discussion but this post hit a nerve.
Live in the now, anything else is bullshit. No one knows what lies ahead. Do not use this as an excuse for your behavior, whether good or bad.
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You are correct that there is God and only one God.
Never challenged? Well, we have atheism, agnosticism, any religion with a plurality of gods and any religion with a different singular god
.its pretty well challenged.
I'm not sure you got my meaning. It was an exposition from the religious point of view.
An argument is a collection of premises that lead to a conclusion, but an invalid premise doesnt universally invalidate an argument or a conclusion. Further, the fallaciousness of your God premise is only deemed as such because of your subjectivity and presuppositions. It isnt an absolute truth statement.
There are cases where false premises can lead to a "true" conclusion, but this is only a detail. The argument is still unsound and false. Consider the following example (http://academic.csuohio.edu/polen/LC9_Help/1/14ftv.htm).
I'm glad you ignore the tautological arguments about the existence of God. There is no reasonable answer and the more one explores further the more the totally absurd nature of religion is revealed.
Actually, my problem with nonbelievers that engage the Christian worldview is that they often refuse to allow God to be God. They take a supernatural event presided over by God, deem it as false because it cant be accomplished via naturalism and simply remove God from the equation altogether. Thats a convenience in argumentation. Want to make your argument work in a worldview you dont support? Just add and subtract things randomly from that foreign worldview to force it to conform to your own worldview and presuppositions (or invent a different, unrelated worldview). Thats what I object to when people enter the Christian worldview
not allowing God to be God.
Interesting use of the word "naturalism". You do not inhabit a world other than the natural one, therefore you should seek natural evidence. There is no soul, God or afterlife because the evidence is anecdotal and circular, people who report them already submit to the worldview, they have no other choice. Further, these concepts are not falsifiable. In religion, there is no condition under which God would not exist, because there is no test or evidence or hypothesis that could convince a believer in the non-existence of God. The need to believe is an emotional choice.
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Well, I'm a person that has experienced both the divine and the demonic so the concepts hold definite truth and meaning for me. I could give you story after story from those that have also experienced similar encounters with heaven and hell. Many believers also never have such encounters.
Exactly, they are just stories. Anecdotal information, nothing more. Like stories about UFOs and planet Nibiru.
So, based upon your logic, given that there are competing theories on heaven and hell (ex: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc) that this alone reveals that the theories are ludicrous (or fallacious). This fallaciousness supported by the idea that the concepts are created by men and men contradict one another. Taken one step further, you qualify your logic with an absolute statement, derived from your subjective opinion, that the reality is when you die you die and that's it. This absolute statement of ironic subjectivity also grounded in the same subject matter ignorance we discussed previously.
On a sidenote, the vast majority of denominational differences are based in adiaphora (non essentials of the faith) and styles of worship. Foundations of salvation and the gospel message are rarely comprised within Christianity. I won't speak for other religions.
You also noted, that religion was invented to comfort folks because of death. I don't argue this because for some religions this is true. It isn't universally true and it isn't for Christianity, but certainly for some religions and cults it is.
Back to your original assertion that heaven and hell is ludicrous because given competing theories created by men and given that men contradict one another the assertion is false. Great. This bit of logic can be applied to many things. Let's take for example the proliferation of competing theories on the topics of the "origin of life" and the origin of the universe. All are therefore deemed ludicrous and fallacious because they are created by men and men contradict one another.
The individuals who formed these theories knew all too well that they are only human and thus inherently contradictory, so they used evidence to test their hypotheses. Where the evidence did not confirm the hypotheses, hypotheses were modified or even abandoned altogether (see cold fusion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Fleischmann.E2.80.93Pons_experiment)). Evidence (real evidence, not theological arguments based on self-evident premises) cannot be argued with.
As you said before, there is no room in religion for arguing (see testing) the existence of God. There is no way, in religion, to overcome man's contradictory nature. There result is many Gods, many religions, many worldviews.
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I'm not sure you got my meaning. It was an exposition from the religious point of view.
There are cases where false premises can lead to a "true" conclusion, but this is only a detail. The argument is still unsound and false. Consider the following example (http://academic.csuohio.edu/polen/LC9_Help/1/14ftv.htm).
I'm glad you ignore the tautological arguments about the existence of God. There is no reasonable answer and the more one explores further the more the totally absurd nature of religion is revealed.
Interesting use of the word "naturalism". You do not inhabit a world other than the natural one, therefore you should seek natural evidence. There is no soul, God or afterlife because the evidence is anecdotal and circular, people who report them already submit to the worldview, they have no other choice. Further, these concepts are not falsifiable. In religion, there is no condition under which God would not exist, because there is no test or evidence or hypothesis that could convince a believer in the non-existence of God. The need to believe is an emotional choice.
Exactly, they are just stories. Anecdotal information, nothing more. Like stories about UFOs and planet Nibiru.
The individuals who formed these theories knew all too well that they are only human and thus inherently contradictory, so they used evidence to test their hypotheses. Where the evidence did not confirm the hypotheses, hypotheses were modified or even abandoned altogether (see cold fusion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Fleischmann.E2.80.93Pons_experiment)). Evidence (real evidence, not theological arguments based on self-evident premises) cannot be argued with.
As you said before, there is no room in religion for arguing (see testing) the existence of God. There is no way, in religion, to overcome man's contradictory nature. There result is many Gods, many religions, many worldviews.
You'll have to forgive me, but I'll have to reply later on.
Unfortunately I lost my grandmother last night....tiny, sweet lady almost 100 years old. She thought I was the biggest human on earth LOL!!
My brain is just not working for heavier dialogue today. :) :'(
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You'll have to forgive me, but I'll have to reply later on.
Unfortunately I lost my grandmother last night....tiny, sweet lady almost 100 years old. She thought I was the biggest human on earth LOL!!
My brain is just not working for heavier dialogue today. :) :'(
I am sorry for your loss. She must have been quite a lady.
I'm sure she's in heaven now .
May you and your family find some peace at this trying time.
God Bless and keep the faith.
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I vowed to not get sucked into this off topic discussion but this post hit a nerve.
Live in the now, anything else is bullshit. No one knows what lies ahead. Do not use this as an excuse for your behavior, whether good or bad.
Freudian slip?
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Freudian slip?
LOFL
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Ok, nobody impregnate anybody until we get to the bottom of this.
this post deseves a lål
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Freudian slip?
Could be. It also could be that your pea brain cannot comprehend definitions other than sexual for the term "sucked into" which is frankly very disappointing. I honestly imagined you to be smarter than this. Maybe it was just you having a momentary brain fart. ;D
Honestly, just kidding you. It was a Freudian slip. I'm presently super horny and need sex very badly. Any ideas? ::)
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LOFL
Could you please expand on what this acronym represents?
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Could you please expand on what this acronym represents?
Lying On the Floor Laughing?
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You're right, but Raymondo isn't wrong. All theories are ludicrous and fallacious, some moreso than others. Christian theories are more ludicrous than "scientific" theories at this point in history, which explains why most people who still subscribe to the former are either uneducated or indoctrinated as children.
Unfortunately, the latter often suffer serious mental schisms as they attempt to reconcile the theories that they accepted as a child with the theories they learn as adults.
Some say you are "brainwashing" your kids because they do not have the education necessary to question what you teach them. Unfortunately while you instill ancient morals into your children, you aren't teaching them ancient arithmetic, ancient physics, ancient biology, etc. The rest of their rational faculties will develop under modern ("worldly") instruction, at which point they will begin to suffer cognitive dissonance in proportion to their intelligence.
At this point, two outcomes arise:
1. Retain beliefs, continue to suffer.
2. Abandon beliefs, try to reconstruct identity.
Unfortunately, should they choose the latter, they won't have their parents' help. And faced with this challenge, they may take choose to retain their "faith" -- not really "believing", but afraid of the alternative.
I think this is the best retort to the assertion that the best way to raise children is to put God at the center of everything.
It is not surprising that believers are told to not live for the world. "Not" living for the world is much more relevant now than it was at the time it was written.
One question that needs to be asked before having children is the following: What traits do you want to encourage in your children and can you create the environment to encourage them? I think believers can answer these questions much easier than anyone else.
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I think this is the best retort to the assertion that the best way to raise children is to put God at the center of everything.
It is not surprising that believers are told to not live for the world. "Not" living for the world is much more relevant now than it was at the time it was written.
One question that needs to be asked before having children is the following: What traits do you want to encourage in your children and can you create the environment to encourage them? I think believers can answer these questions much easier than anyone else.
So basically you agree with cephissus that I'm deluded, stupid and on the verge of a mental breakdown? Is that correct?
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At this point, two outcomes arise:
1. Retain beliefs, continue to suffer.
2. Abandon beliefs, try to reconstruct identity.
Unfortunately, should they choose the latter, they won't have their parents' help. And faced with this challenge, they may take choose to retain their "faith" -- not really "believing", but afraid of the alternative.
They shouldn't need it, assuming they are grown-ass adults.
And, if they're able to ID the root of their neurosis, yet not adapt and overcome it, maybe what they think the root cause...isn't.
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I enjoy how y'all are making absolute statements (per subjectivity) about theists with mental delusions, or a neurosis, etc....I'm just going to exit this thread now and let y'all continue on......my words are now beyond meaningless in this thread. I've said all that needs to be said.
God bless y'all!
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I enjoy how y'all are making absolute statements (per subjectivity) about theists with mental delusions, or a neurosis, etc....I'm just going to exit this thread now and let y'all continue on......my words are now beyond meaningless in this thread. I've said all that needs to be said.
God bless y'all!
Why leave when you enjoy it?
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So basically you agree with cephissus that I'm deluded, stupid and on the verge of a mental breakdown? Is that correct?
I really don't think this is cephissus's point.
You're turning this personal again but I will make an exception and reply, because I realise you may be feeling a little emotional with the recent bereavement (if you don't, apologies, just ignore the rest of the post).
No, I do not think you are stupid.
No, I do not think you are on the verge of a mental breakdown, at least not because of your beliefs.
Yes, I think you are massively deluded. I acknowledge you probably think the same of me.
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I enjoy how y'all are making absolute statements (per subjectivity) about theists with mental delusions, or a neurosis, etc....I'm just going to exit this thread now and let y'all continue on......my words are now beyond meaningless in this thread. I've said all that needs to be said.
God bless y'all!
My sincere view is that everyone needs some form of faith.
So long as they don't feel the need to strap on a suicide vest, I'm fine with ANY religious dogma.
God Bless
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The problem comes in when people interpret the bible as literal history. It's not meant to be read as a history book. I believe there is one God, but there are many pathways to that God. Christianity is not the one and only religion like the fanatics claim. If anyone is interested in good reading check out the books by John Shelby Spong. He's a Catholic Bishop. Really opened my eyes as to how to interpret things and changed my views on Catholic Church, and religion.
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The mods should move this thread. I bulk of what is posted here is about religion and not about having kids.
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To me having kids should be intentional. I thought for years I would not be married or have kids because I wasn't sure if I wanted to be married or have kids. As I got older though Something changed and then I did start structuring my life for it to happen.
One of the for sure signs that this was the right one was that right off the bat it was said I want a family. That eased my reservations about other issues. Faith played a big role in it for him. Some men know that's what they want and I was lucky to get that because as I got older the ones who didn't want kids and wanted to be forever bachelors were the ones who were available and I didn't want that
Good thing I look way younger than I am!
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Don't do it...
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The problem comes in when people interpret the bible as literal history. It's not meant to be read as a history book. I believe there is one God, but there are many pathways to that God. Christianity is not the one and only religion like the fanatics claim. If anyone is interested in good reading check out the books by John Shelby Spong. He's a Catholic Bishop. Really opened my eyes as to how to interpret things and changed my views on Catholic Church, and religion.
Yup ! That's my basic view as well. I believe in GOD, but feel there is more then one path to HIM
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Again, I think getting married and having children is a normal , healthy desire .
BUT, here's the rub in my thought process.
Why do so many say it's one extreme or the other:
1. Married with kids or 2. Bachelor life with dating
Why does marriage have to automatically include kids?
AGAIN, there is NOTHING wrong or bad about getting married and having kids.
BUT why is that the assumed default setting for so many people?
Can't marriage simply be about a loving relationship and partnership ?
Maybe I'm odd, but I enjoy married life and my wife and I never wanted kids.
Question - Is it possible that people usually have kids when married because it's the expected norm of couples?
Howard I know several married couples who did not have or ever want kids. They're all very satisfied with their choices. I just found as I got older that the available men who were in my age group didn't want to be married. They had either been there or done that and were done with married life or they just never wanted to settle down and lose their freedom
I rarely came across men who said yeah I want to get married but I don't want kids.
Where most folks go wrong is that they end up doing the married and kids routine because that's what they think they are supposed to do. It's more obligation than desire. I know a ton of married with children people who are miserable becuase it isn't what they really wanted. They were pressured into it
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Yup ! That's my basic view as well. I believe in GOD, but feel there is more then one path to HIM
How boring, just one god. If I was dumb enough to believe in a divine creation I at least would believe in multiple gods, have some real fun with it. At least the Ancient Greeks had really cool gods.
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How boring, just one god. If I was dumb enough to believe in a divine creation I at least would believe in multiple gods, have some real fun with it. At least the Ancient Greeks had really cool gods.
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Many hung like elementary school boys. You'd think they'd give the statue maker another $20 to add some girth and a few inches.
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How boring, just one god. If I was dumb enough to believe in a divine creation I at least would believe in multiple gods, have some real fun with it. At least the Ancient Greeks had really cool gods.
Exactly.
Or the whole bunch of indian deities.
One thing i also observed...
A lot of religious people pretend to believe in god but in reality money is their god.
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Exactly.
Or the whole bunch of indian deities.
One thing i also observed...
A lot of religious people pretend to believe in god but in reality money is their god.
I've always had a thing for Zeus. That fuker could throw lighting bolts.
Plus, he's up on Mt Olympus, which is a lot like being on the Olympia stage.
Plus, mythic legend has it that Zeus and his bros came down to mate with human females!
THAT behavior combined with throwing the lighting bolts has to make Zeus the ultimate getbigger GOD to worship.
hope this helps
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I've always had a thing for Zeus. That fuker could throw lighting bolts.
Plus, he's up on Mt Olympus, which is a lot like being on the Olympia stage.
Plus, mythic legend has it that Zeus and his bros came down to mate with human females!
THAT behavior combined with throwing the lighting bolts has to make Zeus the ultimate getbigger GOD to worship.
hope this helps
LOL yeah.
When i was a kid Zeus has been quite impressive.
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LOL yeah.
When i was a kid Zeus has been quite impressive.
...when you were a kid he was ? :o
Fuk, I just converted part of my backyard to a scaled Mt Olympus replica and Zeus worship alter.
I have it rigged up to shoot flames at anyone who ridicules it as silly.
That's how I roll baby. ;)
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I've always had a thing for Zeus. That fuker could throw lighting bolts.
Plus, he's up on Mt Olympus, which is a lot like being on the Olympia stage.
Plus, mythic legend has it that Zeus and his bros came down to mate with human females!
THAT behavior combined with throwing the lighting bolts has to make Zeus the ultimate getbigger GOD to worship.
hope this helps
'Mate with.' Riiight.
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...when you were a kid he was ? :o
Fuk, I just converted part of my backyard to a scaled Mt Olympus replica and Zeus worship alter.
I have it rigged up to shoot flames at anyone who ridicules it as silly.
That's how I roll baby. ;)
LOL!
May I suggest the use of electricity for some tresspasser electrocuting lightning flashes?
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Wow, that phrase of "settle down and lose their freedom" really caught my attention.
In my opinion, IF you marry the right PARTNER, you gain in life and don't lose anything.
Granted, if the guy wants to be free to screw around with multiple partners, ok, that makes sense.
BUT, I don't see too many men out there screwing 100's of Playmate models LOL.
Plus, I don't consider having multiple sex partners as the ideal existence anyway.
In my younger days, I had my share of experience with screwing around with a variety of willing girls.
It was fun and I don't regret it. BUT, it lacked depth and meaning, so I evolved into preferring marriage.
Nailed it.
As cliche as it sounds that's why people should always start out as friends. I knew this was different because when something funny would happen that would be the first person I would want to share it with. If I thought about doing something fun that was the first person I contacted to see if he was available
It wasn't about losing freedom but gaining someone to do life with
Also I know a lot of men who have 100's of women at their disposal and while there fun for a while it's pretty empty coming home to nothing or someone who doesn't care about you. There's nothing like having stability especially in a high pressure situation
I can say the same. I should also add I am doing things I never thought I would do but the right person changes things
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Again, I think getting married and having children is a normal , healthy desire .
BUT, here's the rub in my thought process.
Why do so many say it's one extreme or the other:
1. Married with kids or 2. Bachelor life with dating
Why does marriage have to automatically include kids?
AGAIN, there is NOTHING wrong or bad about getting married and having kids.
BUT why is that the assumed default setting for so many people?
Can't marriage simply be about a loving relationship and partnership ?
Howard, why did it take you so long to find a perfectly logical opinion on having children?
Just so you know, I completely support what you've posted here. Bottom line, "to each his own".
Marriage can definitely about loving relationships and must be about a partnership. If it isn't about this, it is pretty shallow. Children, for some are like icing on the cake.
This world we live in is overrun with humans. I applaud anyone who chooses to not add to this disastrous overpopulation.
Maybe I'm odd, but I enjoy married life and my wife and I never wanted kids.
Question - Is it possible that people usually have kids when married because it's the expected norm of couples?
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... It's pretty empty coming home to nothing or someone who doesn't care about you. There's nothing like having stability.
I cannot wait, each and every day, to return home to that very emptiness of which you speak, both in a personal and a physical sense. It's my sanctuary.
And for me, stability is best achieved without the drama and constant compromise that exists within the dynamic of a romantic relationship.
I am extremely content being alone.
(If I ever again commit to a woman, she'll have to accept that I do not desire to live with her. It can work: I knew an older gentleman, very educated, who lived separately from his wife, and on weekends, they'd alternate one staying with the other.)
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LOL!
May I suggest the use of electricity for some tresspasser electrocuting lightning flashes?
I had a 500,000 volt Tesla coil ready to go , when the power company cut my power off. :D
No respect for Zeus...bastards.
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Nailed it.
As cliche as it sounds that's why people should always start out as friends. I knew this was different because when something funny would happen that would be the first person I would want to share it with. If I thought about doing something fun that was the first person I contacted to see if he was available
It wasn't about losing freedom but gaining someone to do life with
Also I know a lot of men who have 100's of women at their disposal and while there fun for a while it's pretty empty coming home to nothing or someone who doesn't care about you. There's nothing like having stability especially in a high pressure situation
I can say the same. I should also add I am doing things I never thought I would do but the right person changes things
Good post. I also enjoy sharing my life with a loving, stable person.
You need THAT along with a romantic "spark" or it will never get past being good friends.
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I had a 500,000 volt Tesla coil ready to go , when the power company cut my power off. :D
No respect for Zeus...bastards.
LOL
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I cannot wait, each and every day, to return home to that very emptiness of which you speak, both in a personal and physical sense. It's my sanctuary.
And for me, stability is best achieved without the drama and constant compromise that exists within the dynamic of a romantic relationship.
I am extremely content being alone.
(If I ever again commit to a woman, she'll have to accept that I do not desire to live with her. It can work: I knew an older gentleman, very educated, who lived separately from his wife, and on weekends, they'd alternate staying with the other.)
I know people like this too and it works for them. I know at the very beginning we made a pact to not have our home be a place of drama and craziness. We should want to come home and not stay away.
Like I said I came in during somewhat of a down period so there wasn't any delusional stuff going on. I knew what was up. So many people want to just be there for the good times and aren't even willing to handle the little things and bumps in the roads. I think being friends helped because there was honesty that may not have happened had the romantic intentions been vocalized right off
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I know people like this too and it works for them. I know at the very beginning we made a pact to not have our home be a place of drama and craziness. We should want to come home and not stay away.
Like I said I came in during somewhat of a down period so there wasn't any delusional stuff going on. I knew what was up. So many people want to just be there for the good times and aren't even willing to handle the little things and bumps in the roads. I think being friends helped because there was honesty that may not have happened had the romantic intentions been vocalized right off
My wife and I are old farts now and as we creep towards age 60, we enjoy a relaxed lifestyle.
Most days are spent at home doing, simple, wholesome stuff.
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I know people like this too and it works for them. I know at the very beginning we made a pact to not have our home be a place of drama and craziness. We should want to come home and not stay away.
Like I said I came in during somewhat of a down period so there wasn't any delusional stuff going on. I knew what was up. So many people want to just be there for the good times and aren't even willing to handle the little things and bumps in the roads. I think being friends helped because there was honesty that may not have happened had the romantic intentions been vocalized right off
Couples had better be friends above anything else. After being married for decades, any sexual "spark" is LONG gone.
At a certain point, every marriage becomes little more than a live-together partnership. If you're not friends, you're fucked.
It's ridiculous to believe a strong sexual attraction/desire will still exist after you've coupled with the same partner tens of thousands of times. Very occasional intercourse might remain a typical warm embrace, but it won't be much beyond an instance of physical closeness.
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Couples had better be friends above anything else. After being married for decades, any sexual "spark" is LONG gone.
At a certain point, every marriage becomes little more than a live-together partnership. If you're not friends, you're fucked.
It's ridiculous to believe a strong sexual attraction/desire will still exist after you've coupled with the same partner tens of thousands of times. Very occasional intercourse might remain a typical warm embrace, but it won't be much beyond an instance of physical closeness.
Having been married for 50 years, I have to say you got this right. There are always exceptions though.
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Having been married for 50 years, I have to say you got this right. There are always exceptions though.
Sorry about the loss of your wife, Prime. You are a rock for handling it so well.
50 years! What a blessing.
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I cannot wait, each and every day, to return home to that very emptiness of which you speak, both in a personal and a physical sense. It's my sanctuary.
And for me, stability is best achieved without the drama and constant compromise that exists within the dynamic of a romantic relationship.
I am extremely content being alone.
(If I ever again commit to a woman, she'll have to accept that I do not desire to live with her. It can work: I knew an older gentleman, very educated, who lived separately from his wife, and on weekends, they'd alternate one staying with the other.)
Lol... exactly. It's funny how different people can be, and how many think it's the same for everyone. I personally LOVE that empiness, that silence, that feeling that I'm alone with myself.
Regarding sex, I like it, and I' did know at about 20 that no way I'm gonna marry till at least age 35-40, just because it'd drive me crazy to fuck the same female over and over for decades. Good for me - I haven't ever had any issues with finding a girl so it's easy to speak and be careless. Some people are happy to find at least a single partner who'd like to fuck them, I can understand that too. Plenty of ppl who got married that I knew in the past - they did the right thing, just because now they'd not be very succesfull at finding sex.
People are gullible, tricked by nature and by the lies of society that everyone want to believe (happily ever after), the reality is usualy pretty ugly. The worst is when someone (like dude from my remote family circle), who was married for 27 years and got divorced recently. For another woman, and it took him like four years to man up to do that, he said that he haven't been happy for many years, but was too afraid to change anything. What kind of fukkin remorse must be to waste so many years living a torture.
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Sorry about the loss of your wife, Prime. You are a rock for handling it so well.
50 years! What a blessing.
Prime seems like a decent man and I'm sure he dearly loved his wife .
I suspect he misses her greatly and I hope he finds peace in this current life.
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As I sit here typing this. My two year old is having a major tantrum lol.... For no apparent reason. I tried to reason with her. Now just ignoring her and letting her cry it out.
This is the part where most people will say "I am never having kids" :) fun times
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As I sit here typing this. My two year old is having a major tantrum lol.... For no apparent reason. I tried to reason with her. Now just ignoring her and letting her cry it out.
This is the part where most people will say "I am never having kids" :) fun times
Nothing in life is always going to be easy.
I know you're a loving father and cherish your lil' girl.
I'm a bit odd Arch and so is my wife when it comes to kids, so wtf.
For example, my wife's younger sis adopted a little girl from Mexico and loves being a mom.
My wife and I honestly believe some were called to be parents and those like me were not.
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Prime seems like a decent man and I'm sure he dearly loved his wife .
I suspect he misses her greatly and I hope he finds peace in this current life.
I would absolutely crumble. Prime is a better man than I.
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As I sit here typing this. My two year old is having a major tantrum lol.... For no apparent reason. I tried to reason with her. Now just ignoring her and letting her cry it out.
This is the part where most people will say "I am never having kids" :) fun times
Females main asset is beauty. Do you think she will be grateful to inherit that gigantic nose of yours? Oh I forgot...its all about of whats FUN for these who have kids.
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Definitely not happily ever after but I think both people have to understand this. Many women I know are looking for a way out and think a husband will make their fantasies Come true. I went in with zero delusions and expected it to be something you have to continuously work on. We made the decision to keep growing in our relationship and not just fall into same old boring routines or expect to make each other happy. Both people have a responsibility to work on themselves and the relationship
Most people are too selfish to do this. If you know you are selfish and self centered you shouldn't get married or have kids and it's okay. I have w lot of respect for those who can admit to that. I think the ultimate selfish move is to have kids and make it all about you. I know quite a few who do this. They want mini me's. They should not have had kids
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Definitely not happily ever after but I think both people have to understand this. Many women I know are looking for a way out and think a husband will make their fantasies Come true. I went in with zero delusions and expected it to be something you have to continuously work on. We made the decision to keep growing in our relationship and not just fall into same old boring routines or expect to make each other happy. Both people have a responsibility to work on themselves and the relationship
Most people are too selfish to do this. If you know you are selfish and self centered you shouldn't get married or have kids and it's okay. I have w lot of respect for those who can admit to that. I think the ultimate selfish move is to have kids and make it all about you. I know quite a few who do this. They want mini me's. They should not have had kids
Lets start with that most ppl doesnt have even decent genes to transfer to that new human being, thus many kids are destined to be as failed or deformed and suffering individuals as their parents, who pricreate to feel less bored in their lifetime.
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Definitely not happily ever after but I think both people have to understand this. Many women I know are looking for a way out and think a husband will make their fantasies Come true. I went in with zero delusions and expected it to be something you have to continuously work on. We made the decision to keep growing in our relationship and not just fall into same old boring routines or expect to make each other happy. Both people have a responsibility to work on themselves and the relationship
Most people are too selfish to do this. If you know you are selfish and self centered you shouldn't get married or have kids and it's okay. I have w lot of respect for those who can admit to that. I think the ultimate selfish move is to have kids and make it all about you. I know quite a few who do this. They want mini me's. They should not have had kids
This is a very good post. I was with my ex for 6 years, we always had problems, which most were minor, but a huge problem was her son, as she wanted to dictate my relationship with him and have everything on her terms. In short, we went to counseling, I was willing to work on myself, but she felt she had nothing to work on, and wanted to sit back and watch while I made all the changes. Thank God we never got married or had kids of our own. A lot of women are like this, as they tend to take a spectator role in the relationship and think the man should make all the changes and make them happy while they sit back and do nothing. They confuse real world relationships with the crap they watch on Lifetime movie network.
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Definitely not happily ever after but I think both people have to understand this. Many women I know are looking for a way out and think a husband will make their fantasies Come true. I went in with zero delusions and expected it to be something you have to continuously work on. We made the decision to keep growing in our relationship and not just fall into same old boring routines or expect to make each other happy. Both people have a responsibility to work on themselves and the relationship
Most people are too selfish to do this. If you know you are selfish and self centered you shouldn't get married or have kids and it's okay. I have w lot of respect for those who can admit to that. I think the ultimate selfish move is to have kids and make it all about you. I know quite a few who do this. They want mini me's. They should not have had kids
Good luck with making that plan stick after you two have been together for a decade. Or three.
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This is a very good post. I was with my ex for 6 years, we always had problems, which most were minor, but a huge problem was her son, as she wanted to dictate my relationship with him and have everything on her terms. In short, we went to counseling, I was willing to work on myself, but she felt she had nothing to work on, and wanted to sit back and watch while I made all the changes. Thank God we never got married or had kids of our own. A lot of women are like this, as they tend to take a spectator role in the relationship and think the man should make all the changes and make them happy while they sit back and do nothing. They confuse real world relationships with the crap they watch on Lifetime movie network.
Been there and done that.
Waste of time. (And so very lame it's cringe worthy.) If you and yours require some "professional" counselling to maintain your partnership, consider it over. If you stay together, you're either, a) delaying the inevitable, or b) gonna regret doing so. Eventually.
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Feminism has pretty much destroyed the traditional family unit, especially here in the West. At least half of marriages end in divorce, and it's the woman who initiates it almost 80% of the time. She'll wind up taking at least half your assets and kids. As guys like Chris Mackney found out the hard way, it's a gamble.
I echo the sentiments of the guys who appreciate the financial freedom and the peace and quiet unmarried life brings. During the warmer months of the year, I visit the former sites of the Shakers, a group of Protestant Christians who shunned sex and procreation. (I do as well, so marriage would be pointless.) I've been visiting some of the more offbeat places in the area until then. Living in New England has its perks.
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Feminism has pretty much destroyed the traditional family unit, especially here in the West. At least half of marriages end in divorce, and it's the woman who initiates it almost 80% of the time. She'll wind up taking at least half your assets and kids. As guys like Chris Mackney found out the hard way, it's a gamble.
I echo the sentiments of the guys who appreciate the financial freedom and the peace and quiet unmarried life brings. During the warmer months of the year, I visit the former sites of the Shakers, a group of Protestant Christians who shunned sex and procreation. (I do as well, so marriage would be pointless.) I've been visiting some of the more offbeat places in the area until then. Living in New England has its perks.
How did you come up with such a precise statistic? Any evidence?
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How did you come up with such a precise statistic? Any evidence?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/106378-women-initiate-most-divorces-in-the-united-states-plus-5-other-interesting-facts-about-women-and (http://www.bustle.com/articles/106378-women-initiate-most-divorces-in-the-united-states-plus-5-other-interesting-facts-about-women-and)
That article has it at 69%, and it's one of many from a quick Google search.
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Good luck with making that plan stick after you two have been together for a decade. Or three.
It starts with the individual. If you're with someone who's not very ambitious or immature then it may be tougher. We know married couples who have been together 20 and 30 years and they still like each other. They're different from most people in that they didn't stop living life because they were married. They also don't do marriage the way everyone else does it. You've got to find what works for you.
A lot of people already have negative stories about marriage and that's how they approach it.