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What's the best route?
Generally speaking...
Opiates + Alcohol = ok
Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok
Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warning
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Fully aware that they're all 3 CNS depressants.
Looking only for personal experiences.
Thank you.
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What's the best route?
Generally speaking...
Opiates + Alcohol = ok
Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok
Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warning
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Best route for what? What is your end game? death? ???
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Best route for what? What is your end game? death? ???
Hopefully not death. Just trying to feel alive mate
:'(
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
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Those nice cocktails can cause you cardiac arrest in a jiffy.
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
Interesting. IMe, alcohol nicely brings on additional relaxation with the opiates. Doesn't do anything for euphoria however.
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Benzos and booze aren't a good combo -- take it from me. Memory loss can be particularly nasty.
I've no experience with alcohol and opiates. Then again, when I *was* on hydrocodone and ilk, I was recovering from serious intestinal surgery, and the painkillers alone left me so wobbly I couldn't imagine combining them with drinking.
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Benzos and booze aren't a good combo -- take it from me. Memory loss can be particularly nasty.
I've no experience with alcohol and opiates. Then again, when I *was* on hydrocodone and ilk, I was recovering from serious intestinal surgery, and the painkillers alone left me so wobbly I couldn't imagine combining them with drinking.
How much were you taking?
5th of liquor and a few opiates don't do smithing.
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Those nice cocktails can cause you cardiac arrest in a jiffy.
Hmm. Might have been blessed to not reach these heights.
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You can get away with a few drinks while taking opiates. When I had my motorcycle accident and broke both legs years back, I still enjoyed a few rum and cokes on weekends whilst taking Percocets every few hours to manage pain. Just don't take too many pills and get piss drunk.
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How much were you taking?
5th of liquor and a few opiates don't do smithing.
Interesting.
I honestly can't remember the doses. Certainly less than the equivalent amount of IV Dilaudid they gave me in the hospital.
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
and back in in November 16 with Matt Hughes brother????
And you say i have a shit life. ::)
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What's the best route?
Generally speaking...
Opiates + Alcohol = ok
Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok
Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warningj
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Mixing opiates and benzos is a bad idea. I remember having to carry my buddy into his house after he mixed zanax and heroin. Benzp withdrawal made him jump off a farm silo after he got off a greyhound bus in the middle of nowhere, dead of winter. Died on impact..
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Mixing opiates and benzos is a bad idea. I remember having to carry my buddy into his house after he mixed zanax and heroin. Benzp withdrawal made him jump off a farm silo after he got off a greyhound bus in the middle of nowhere, dead of winter. Died on impact..
Sorry to hear that, Getbig brother
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(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick")
Great docu about Greenwich Village {NYC} drug use
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Why not just do a few caps of G? It produces a much better feeling than all this
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Sorry to hear that, Getbig brother
http://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2013/02/death-ruled-a-suicide/
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
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What the fuck is the matter with you junkies? Drink a beer when you're feelin good and go for an early morning run when you're feeling down.
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What the fuck is the matter with you junkies? Drink a beer when you're feelin good and go for an early morning run when you're feeling down.
they need to fill their empty lives with something.....
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Mixing opiates and benzos is a bad idea. I remember having to carry my buddy into his house after he mixed zanax and heroin. Benzp withdrawal made him jump off a farm silo after he got off a greyhound bus in the middle of nowhere, dead of winter. Died on impact..
Haahahahahaha. Made my day
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What the fuck is the matter with you junkies? Drink a beer when you're feelin good and go for an early morning run when you're feeling down.
Hehe you sir, win the internet.
The irony.
;D
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Hehe you sir, win the internet.
The irony.
;D
whats ironic about it?
Or have you just taken esfitness advice earlier today?
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whats ironic about it?
Or have you just taken esfitness advice earlier today?
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Pardon my assumptions, but it appears as if you think those who partake in any of the above listed substances lead empty lives?
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Here we go again....... ::)
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Pardon my assumptions, but it appears as if you think those who partake in any of the above listed substances lead empty lives?
I would rather not get into anything with you on here bearing in mind your fragile state.
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they need to fill their empty lives with something.....
I could easily say the same given your daily post count and pathetic obsessions with other posters. Actually I think picking up the bottle and a night out might be healthier for you than this
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and back in in November 16 with Matt Hughes brother????
And you say i have a shit life. ::)
Says the elderly loser who's obsessed with a man on a message board and follows him from post to post all day and night?
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Forgot to mention benzos + alcohol usually = blackout city.
There's been exactly 1 time when I "enjoyed" that combo. Back in 02 was at a xmass get together and took 1/4 Xanax and had 2 maybe 3 glasses of wine and felt great. Everytime since was uneventful.
Remember one night if taken a Xanax that was 2x as strong as I thought I was taking& I'd stopped at CVS on my way to meet my heroin dealer and drank some vodka. That was about 10pm. I woke up in my car at 2am wondering wyd I was doing there and drove home thinking I must be already met the dealer. Got home n gf was already asleep and asked where of been. Said I fell asleep in the car. I fell straight to sleep and texted my dealer in the morning cuz I couldn't find my heroin and he said I never showed up to meet him the night before. Lol... That was when I figured out if blacked out and took twice as much Xanax as I intended... Couldve drove off and blacked out while driving. Scary shit.
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Mods, please sticky a thread where every post is ESF talking about how rad he is an BeThere being entirely too concerned about whether ESF is really that rad or not.
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you will die from all three, very smart move if your curious about death
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Mods, please sticky a thread where every post is ESF talking about how rad he is an BeThere being entirely too concerned about whether ESF is really that rad or not.
How the fuck is any of that talking about how rad I am? Its posts like those that make your insecurity blatantly obvious.
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How the fuck is any of that talking about how rad I am? Its posts like those that make your insecurity blatantly obvious.
No, it's my 5 days a week in the gym that make my insecurities blatantly obvious. You, on the other hand, feel the need to.....nevermind. Talk to Be There about it
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
Addicts are ODing from heroin cut with fentanyl. Dropping like flies, there's barely any dope in it. I don't care how much of a tolerance you have fentanyl will take you out
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http://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2013/02/death-ruled-a-suicide/
Here in Canada, Cops often don't like to publicly disclose deaths due to suicide. Instead of calling them suicides in the news papers, they just describe them as "non-suspicious deaths" and you know what it means.
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Here in Canada, Cops often don't like to publicly disclose deaths due to suicide. Instead of calling them suicides in the news papers, they just describe them as "non-suspicious deaths" and you know what it means.
I found it out by that article. At his funeral his mom said it was an accident, she didn't want anybody to know. Guy was a heroin addict for years, but the benzo are what truly did him in.
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opiats n hero win just make u a pussy atleast alcohol does fun shit like give u a boner n feel like king shit for a couple hours
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Ha ok. Alcohol is garbage and ruins your body the worse of any drug. Oh yeah, delutionites, alcohol is a drug
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Ha ok. Alcohol is garbage and ruins your body the worse of any drug. Oh yeah, delutionites, alcohol is a drug
And a poison.
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What's the best route?
Generally speaking...
Opiates + Alcohol = ok
Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok
Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warning
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Best to ask Matt C, if he ever gets some time away from his new baby. Matt C had a Percocet prescription and he LOVED it.
I love Percs too, and in an hour, I'm going to do a 5mg line of Hydromorph Contin! (Hydromorphone).
I would not mix them with Xanax or other Benzos though. As said above, both are central nervous system depressants. I wouldn't do it because if you like it, you may want to ramp up the dose of each, until you enter the danger zone.
Xanax is great to help get off opiates though. But only take the Xanax or other Benzos once you come down from the opiates.
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Addicts are ODing from heroin cut with fentanyl. Dropping like flies, there's barely any dope in it. I don't care how much of a tolerance you have fentanyl will take you out
Not much of that out here yet though. Out here its still mostly blaxk and ppl are oding cuz they have Ben Is in their systems as well.
The one time I got "China white", I od'd twice in 1 day off 250mg IM shots each time. That was about 2 years ago now and concern at the time I was doing one or 1.5 gram shots intramuscular is venture to guess that China white had fentanyl as well back then
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Not much of that out here yet though. Out here its still mostly blaxk and ppl are oding cuz they have Ben Is in their systems as well.
The one time I got "China white", I od'd twice in 1 day off 250mg IM shots each time. That was about 2 years ago now and concern at the time I was doing one or 1.5 gram shots intramuscular is venture to guess that China white had fentanyl as well back then
Do you use subs now that your off heroin? I have heard the can be good for chronic pain.
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This is such a stoopid topic.
Fits perfectly on getbig.com
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Not much of that out here yet though. Out here its still mostly blaxk and ppl are oding cuz they have Ben Is in their systems as well.
The one time I got "China white", I od'd twice in 1 day off 250mg IM shots each time. That was about 2 years ago now and concern at the time I was doing one or 1.5 gram shots intramuscular is venture to guess that China white had fentanyl as well back then
I'm over on CT and it's straight up insanity. Addicts dropping dead every day. The amount of fentanyl to OD on is so small.
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Do you use subs now that your off heroin? I have heard the can be good for chronic pain.
No, I've been off subs since may 2016. Was on them about 5-6months prior... And using heroin concurrently. Was lucky enough to find a doctor that accepted private insurance, 99% only accept cash... And the waiting list for the nearest methadone clinic was 5weeks long and the clinic was at least 45mins away. Lol could not believe it.. And you had to go to the clinic every day to get your dose, at like 6 or 7am. Methadone is a horrible withdrawal from everything I've read and heard, sounds much like Nubain. Which would make sense since they're both opiate agonist/antagonists. Withdrawal lasting 45+ days with day 42 being just as bad as day 2.. Just like nubain (which i kicked in 02 & had 12yrs clean from opiates after. Including 5yrs in prison where I sold boatloads of 20mg oxy's but never took a single pill. Onlybopiates in had in prison were when I had my kidney surgery to extract kidney stones. Which was easily easily easily the worst pain I ha d ever felt in my life. I would rather cut off the tip of my finger again then go through that surgery again. Post-surgery when I was waking up initially they gave me 20mg morphine and that didn't do shit 10-15 minutes later they give me 2 milligrams of dilaudid that didn't do shit and I continued on over the course of about 40 minutes or so until they had given me 8 milligrams diluadid and 80mg morphine total.. then it kind of work for pain and I could actually feel the opiates and they're nice warm fuzzy content feeling and they gave me two Vicodin 15 milligrams the last minute drive back to prison, and everything seemed to kind of kick in a bit more on the drive back so I was nodding a little and waa super high when I got back to my bunk. Lol that was enjoyable but the day after that I wanted to take my pain meds and all they prescribed for me was Darvocet which I tried to use for the first two days but ended up refusing the rest and just took Tylenol because the Darvocet was absolutely garbage. No warm and fuzzy feeling just got kind of dizzy nauseous and made a constipated as fuck... And touched nothing till 2014?,2015? Dr. Tried to prescribe me either percocet or Vicodin which I refused and took Ultram instead because far as I knew it was not addictive and it was also what I used to wean myself off of nubain 12 years earlier (which lead to my relapae. Smoking about that plenty on here if you search back)
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I'm over on CT and it's straight up insanity. Addicts dropping dead every day. The amount of fentanyl to OD on is so small.
Yep.. and that First Rehab we had plenty of guys from the Northeast. Why the guys from Maine and Rhode Island Connecticut and Massachusetts Etc in fact one of our chefs at the rehab was from Connecticut and just died last week had his memorial on Monday
Like I other poses a lot of guys from the East Coast choose rehabs on the West Coast because insurance companies will pay for plane tickets round-trip and even pay for transportation to and from the airport. This particular guy (as is the case with probably 70% of East Coast people, chose to remain in Los Angeles because the "recovery Community" is enormous and went to culinary arts school and got a job at that rehab as one of their chefs.) Most of the rehabs out here have five star chefs and use that as a selling point to get people to come.like I aaid, they're getting paid $2k/day from insurance companies per patient/client so they try to make the place as nice as possible to get more people to come and keep their beds full.. that dude OD'd on black tar heroin and had Xanax in his system from earlier that morning. Dude made some great fucking pasta and ribs... Even made French toast out of croissants or some shit lol
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Alcohol and tobacco is all you need. Or alcohol and weed as a distant second. Opiates should not be combined with alcohol, but you can get high as fuck by adding some safe drugs like weed.
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Not much of that out here yet though. Out here its still mostly blaxk and ppl are oding cuz they have Ben Is in their systems as well.
Blacks rarely do heroin. They sell it, but don't touch it. At least here in Detroit that's how it is.
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Blacks rarely do heroin. They sell it, but don't touch it. At least here in Detroit that's how it is.
I mean the heroin we have here is called "black". Shortnfor black tar heroin. Like you'd tell your dealer " I need a gram of black" or if you want a Coke you would say "I need a gram of white".
Only knew 1 black heroin dealer. Side was a scumbag who'd short you .2g on every gram atnleast.. So instead of 3g you'd get 2.6g... Like, motherfuckers you know I gotta scale to, right? After that mother fucker had a stroke and was in the hospital for a while I even helped out as fucking girlfriend took her to school and shit ( cosmetology school) and the piece of shit still fucking ripped me off. A after that I was introduced to my cartel connect.
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I mean the heroin we have here is called "black". Shortnfor black tar heroin. Like you'd tell your dealer " I need a gram of black" or if you want a Coke you would say "I need a gram of white".
Oh heh. Here it is "boy" for heroin and "girl" for coke/crack.
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I've had a lot of friends go down the heroin road and a few died.I never got into any drugs besides weed which I quit recently.All I have to say about the people doing heroin and oding is good riddance and keep thinning the heard.Fuck it's a disease,its weakness and that's all.Try to say it's a disease is ridiculous,cancer is a disease not being weak and sticking a needle in your arm.Sorry just had to rant as all I see is people wanting help on tv etc... and it makes me sick.
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you will die from all three, very smart move if your curious about death
Lol. Spot on Johnny
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Addicts are ODing from heroin cut with fentanyl. Dropping like flies, there's barely any dope in it. I don't care how much of a tolerance you have fentanyl will take you out
Suicidal people are intentionally seeking Fentanyl out. A painless way to go out compared to typical alternatives.
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I've had a lot of friends go down the heroin road and a few died.I never got into any drugs besides weed which I quit recently.All I have to say about the people doing heroin and oding is good riddance and keep thinning the heard.Fuck it's a disease,its weakness and that's all.Try to say it's a disease is ridiculous,cancer is a disease not being weak and sticking a needle in your arm.Sorry just had to rant as all I see is people wanting help on tv etc... and it makes me sick.
I'm sorry for your loss. Seriously. And well done for never needing anything else apart from weed to help you out. But since you've had friends go that (H) way, surely you can't mean it when you say "good riddance and keep thinning the herd"?
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I'm sorry for your loss. Seriously. And well done for never needing anything else apart from weed to help you out. But since you've had friends go that (H) way, surely you can't mean it when you say "good riddance and keep thinning the herd"?
I do actually.I am disgusted by the acceptance of heroin addicts today.Yhe news shows heroin addicts and people feeling so bad for them and they need help blah blah blah.They are week people and couldn't handle life obviously.I helped them at the beginning thinking they would be strong enough to quit and it was all for nothing.I lost around 20k helping two of them.Helping them get apartments,car etc... and they went a while then back to heroin.So honestly I can't feel bad for them.Now in. Boston I see on the news they are trying to get a safe place for heroin addicts to shoot up with nurses etc that know how to administer narcan etc... fuck that shit.These heroin addicts need to go.this subject just really busts my ass.
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Acceptance? You kidding? The taboo associated with opiates is worse than ever. Most of the country agree that they should all just die/overdose already and stop leeching off of society.
Very little compassion for them, while being a heavy drinker still elicits a "Fuck yeah, dude!" from most. Strange dichotomy.
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I've had a lot of friends go down the heroin road and a few died.I never got into any drugs besides weed which I quit recently.All I have to say about the people doing heroin and oding is good riddance and keep thinning the heard.Fuck it's a disease,its weakness and that's all.Try to say it's a disease is ridiculous,cancer is a disease not being weak and sticking a needle in your arm.Sorry just had to rant as all I see is people wanting help on tv etc... and it makes me sick.
Most people don't jump right into heroin dude. Mistbhave surgery or an injury and are prescribed painkillers. And you have to realize most people don't know shit about painkillers or medications. I have customers who've used anabolics for years and STILL don't know how they work. Most don't know the difference between EQ and winstrol ffs. Most will brag about all the "crazy steroids" their Dr gave them for ashma or their shoulder thinking btheyre the same as dbol....after a while that 1 Vicodin twice a day is not working for pain and they take 2 and enjoynthe warm fuzzy content feeling and after a couple months or so they're on to oxy and when they go to quit they find out they're physically addicted and they get sick so they start buying more on the blackmarket, which gets expensive and the supply is unpredictable so they Google it and find out heroin does the same thing and they rationalize its cheaper and stronger and they begin just smoking it or if they are on the East Coast or in the South or Midwest they snort the powder. And then they get curious and decide to try to inject it. These people didn't start out trying to get high they started out trying to control pain and then had to continue using some form of opiate just solely didn't get sick and go through withdrawal. Most heroin addicts really don't even get high anymore they just use the shit just so they don't get sick and they can function throughout the day. That's the disease part physical withdrawal has absolutely nothing to do with will power. People continue to use it so they can function and go on about their day and not get sick and go into withdrawal. I was straight edge in high school and never drank or smokednweed and looked down on those who did... Until I fucked up my shoulder and in came painkillers.
Some people can take painkillers and they don't enjoy them. Some people can take them and it knocks them out make some tired and they see no point in using them see no fun in them no enjoyment. And some people can take them for 2 or 3 months straight and then when they stop they notice absolutely nothing. Where is some people can take them and even if they don't take enough to get high and they don't enjoy them when they stop they have physical withdrawal that they absolutely did not anticipate. Like with me, I can take benzos and stop taking them and have zero withdrawal where is other people get addicted to them just like people get addicted to opiates. Has to do with each person's body chemistry. You said you smoked weed? Well I've tried smoking weed even got my medical marijuana card and all the good things I hear people say about it? I experienced none of those. I can't stand weed while works great for others. All has to do with individuals body chemistry.
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It was percs to ocs to heroin.Everyone of them the same shit.I grew up knowing one thing about drugs and that was don't do heroin.It was everywhere the news,Tv,movies etc...how the fuck do you do the most evil lowlife ducking drug?the writing is on the wall.Stuck to booze and weed.All it takes is some thinking and it seeems today no one thinks.i tried ocs once to see what the fuss was about and it was a 20 and it made me feel like shit.Tried coke once and hated it.I liked weed but quit that about a month ago and I drank like a fish from 16-17 till 28ish then quit except for the occasional glass of scotch.I smoked 3-4 packs of marlboro reds daily from. 17-28 as well and quit.Ive quit everything,it's called will power and from what I see today no one has any.its just pathetic is all.
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Matt C was once prescribed Percocet. He said it was the most blissful thing imaginable. He said he didn't use them much after that, but then again, he also said he didn't use steroids in that picture where his delts were as big as his head, LOL.
I asked Matt C if he could give me a free one from his prescription bottle and since then, he has called opiates "free ones", LOL.
I love, love, LOVE free ones. My lifetime goal would be to sit down with Matt C, Jeff McFarland PT, Vince Goodrum CSN MFT CEO, Van Bilderass, Historian Yates, Nether Animal, Lui Marco, ratherbebig, Never1AShow, and Tunza Muscle, with ALL of us high on free ones!
I LOVE free ones!!!
PS - Don't combine opiates with benzos though!!! Good God, son - do you want complete suppression of your central nervous system and thus your heart and lungs? Use your head, man. They are not meant to be combined. Perhaps in VERY small quantities, but that would produce the urge to use that combination in increasingly large amounts! Is that REALLY a road you want to go down?
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It was percs to ocs to heroin.Everyone of them the same shit.I grew up knowing one thing about drugs and that was don't do heroin.It was everywhere the news,Tv,movies etc...how the fuck do you do the most evil lowlife ducking drug?the writing is on the wall.Stuck to booze and weed.All it takes is some thinking and it seeems today no one thinks.i tried ocs once to see what the fuss was about and it was a 20 and it made me feel like shit.Tried cock once and hated it.I liked weed but quit that about a month ago and I drank like a fish from 16-17 till 28ish then quit except for the occasional glass of scotch.I smoked 3-4 packs of marlboro reds daily from. 17-28 as well and quit.Ive quit everything,it's called will power and from what I see today no one has any.its just pathetic is all.
I'd keep the homosexual experiments to yourself maybe. I don't know but that's just me.
But, most people who get addicted to heroin don't start out trying Oxys just to see what all the fuss is about. They start out using it because it was prescribed them for my doctor because they have an injury or had a surgery. That is a fact. I already knew the risks of addiction that came with painkillers when I had my neck injury in 2014 when I was offered prescription for Vicodin or Percocet from my doctor which I declined in favor for a drug that I believed was non-addictive Tramadol or Ultram. Little did I know that good stuff I thought was incredibly weak and had zero addiction potential was incredibly addictive and also worked on many many many other areas of the brain which made the addiction potential and withdrawal that much worse and unexpected... The same way most people who get their first prescriptions for Vicodin or codeine are unaware of the addiction potential and end up having to use it just so they don't get sick and going to withdrawal. And most people move on to heroin as a last resort because they can no longer and get prescriptions for the drug to keep it themselves out of withdrawal and or they can no longer afford to buy it on the black market once their prescriptions are out. That's when heroin comes in because they find out it's cheaper and it's stronger. No heroin user goes straight to heroin. Most people who are addicted to alcohol however usually do go straight to alcohol. However for me alcohol was a last resort when I could not get benzos which I used for anxiety and insomnia. The very same benzos which I never abused and never developed a tolerance to or used recreationally. I was as uneducated about alcohol as some soccer mom is as uneducated about Vicodin and unaware of its abuse potential and subsequent withdrawal
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It was percs to ocs to heroin.Everyone of them the same shit.I grew up knowing one thing about drugs and that was don't do heroin.It was everywhere the news,Tv,movies etc...how the fuck do you do the most evil lowlife ducking drug?the writing is on the wall.Stuck to booze and weed.All it takes is some thinking and it seeems today no one thinks.i tried ocs once to see what the fuss was about and it was a 20 and it made me feel like shit.Tried cock once and hated it.I liked weed but quit that about a month ago and I drank like a fish from 16-17 till 28ish then quit except for the occasional glass of scotch.I smoked 3-4 packs of marlboro reds daily from. 17-28 as well and quit.Ive quit everything,it's called will power and from what I see today no one has any.its just pathetic is all.
not a shizzo gimmick then...
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not a shizzo gimmick then...
Hahahahah.Was supposed to say coke.
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you forgot to add some blow ....
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not a shizzo gimmick then...
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Robcguns......Robc...... things that make you go hmmmmm...... :D
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Willpower means nothing when it comes to things that make you violently ill while producing a 24-7panic attack(opiates, heroin, oxy, etc..) or things that can produce sezuires, heart attacks, or strokes (alcohol, benzos, barbituates, ghb). Certian things require. Medically supervised detox... AFTER THAT, then "willpower" comes into play. Things like coke, meth, lsd, ecstacy, shrooms, nitrous, weed, and whatever arnt physical addictions and your body doesn't revolt when your stop.
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Willpower means nothing when it comes to things that make you violently ill while producing a 24-7panic attack(opiates, heroin, oxy, etc..) or things that can produce sezuires, heart attacks, or strokes (alcohol, benzos, barbituates, ghb). Certian things require. Medically supervised detox... AFTER THAT, then "willpower" comes into play. Things like coke, meth, lsd, ecstacy, shrooms, nitrous, weed, and whatever arnt physical addictions and your body doesn't revolt when your stop.
I have done benzos and kicked them.I had dead arm,dizzy as hell and could barely walk,blurred vision,crazy anxiety you name it.It was brutal and I just pushed thru.Its all fucking willpower.Im sick of hearing it's a disease.No itsvfucking weakness.Shouldnt have done it in the first place.I don't even take Tylenol,Advil or any of that shit.Wuthout pain you cannot appreciate feeling good.So deal with the pain because on the other side is feeling good.
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I agree with ES 100% on how people end up addicted to stuff. Even people who become alcoholics started out for example trying it as kids and getting drunk with their buddies. By the time everyone has moved on a person with an alcoholic mind has pretty much crossed that line where stopping and more importantly staying stopped becomes an issue. I have had friends I knew growing up that were literally social drinkers/non drinkers when they were young, fast forward 20 years and they are in recovery from some addiction or they are active in it.
Being disciplined has fuck all to do with addiction, hell I had tons of so called discipline to drink and drug my face off while hiding it for years when I had relapsed, at least initially.
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I agree with ES 100% on how people end up addicted to stuff. Even people who become alcoholics started out for example trying it as kids and getting drunk with their buddies. By the time everyone has moved on a person with an alcoholic mind has pretty much crossed that line where stopping and more importantly staying stopped becomes an issue. I have had friends I knew growing up that were literally social drinkers/non drinkers when they were young, fast forward 20 years and they are in recovery from some addiction or they are active in it.
Being disciplined has fuck all to do with addiction, hell I had tons of so called discipline to drink and drug my face off while hiding it for years when I had relapsed, at least initially.
It is weakness.i quit everything I ever did cold turkey.30 beers a night,3 packs cigs a day,Xanax daily,ativan daily.Its called will power and man the fuck up.It is weak to say I'm addicted,cut the shit and man the fuck up and take responsibility for your r weak actions. I have said the same to my best friends years ago before they either died or I stopped talking with them all together.this word and most in it are weak.
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I agree with ES 100% on how people end up addicted to stuff. Even people who become alcoholics started out for example trying it as kids and getting drunk with their buddies. By the time everyone has moved on a person with an alcoholic mind has pretty much crossed that line where stopping and more importantly staying stopped becomes an issue. I have had friends I knew growing up that were literally social drinkers/non drinkers when they were young, fast forward 20 years and they are in recovery from some addiction or they are active in it.
Being disciplined has fuck all to do with addiction, hell I had tons of so called discipline to drink and drug my face off while hiding it for years when I had relapsed, at least initially.
A lad I know did that, done it as a teenager like everyone else and never stopped for the next 20 years, actually liked him better as an alcoholic he's a jerk and a shitbag now
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I have done benzos and kicked them.I had dead arm,dizzy as hell and could barely walk,blurred vision,crazy anxiety you name it.It was brutal and I just pushed thru.Its all fucking willpower.Im sick of hearing it's a disease.No itsvfucking weakness.Shouldnt have done it in the first place.I don't even take Tylenol,Advil or any of that shit.Wuthout pain you cannot appreciate feeling good.So deal with the pain because on the other side is feeling good.
The side effects you describe aren't typically associated with true Benzo withdrawal. Benzo withdrawal a major risk is sezuires heart attack and stroke.
"Doing benzos" and being addicted to them isntn exactly the same thing. I've been in rehab with guys who would take 6 mg of Xanax five six seven times a day.andntjeyd shake and have tremors like alcoholics.
I've used benzos since 2000 or 2001 and when I have my Pharmacy I had Xanax and Valium and all over my house and cars and even when kicking painkillers the thought of abusing benzos never crossed my mind. I have constantly been told by doctors that I cannot use benzos because I have past addictions to opiates and namely alcohol despite the fact that I have never abused them or suffered any kind of withdrawal sub on stopping benzos. Actually the only reason I drank was because I had zero access to benzos. My body's physiology would not allow me to use alcohol without developing very quickly and enormous tolerance and physical dependence on it while Enzo's we're perfectly fine. I was disciplined my entire life up until I was prescribed painkillers for a shoulder injury. That meant I didn't party in high school I didn't drink I didn't smoke weed. On friday/saturday nights when my friends were getting fucked up, i was in the gym training... Literally. (Obviously junior/senior yr those nights were sometimes spent with gfs, but usually still after training). From 14-19? I didn't miss a single workout, even with the injury, even when I developed gasteritis preparing for the San Diego championships when I was 19 from drinking about 30cc retrofit-b by accident and couldn't eat or drink more than a sip of water for 10-12 days (with zero water nor food the final 5-6) I still made it to the gym even though the sessions were a waste and I dropped nearly 20lbs and fucked up my prep.. discipline has nothing to do with stopping. at least when it comes to things people are physically addicted to that require a medically supervised detox. You are speaking out of ignorance while I am speaking out of experience and education. I have done this myself and I have helped a lot of other people as well so I'm not just repeating shit I read on Google. Why do you think rehab facilities tell people not to stop drinking or not to stop taking benzos or GHB or whatever until they actually leave for Rehab? It's because they know what the fuck they're doing and they understand the risks associated with that and don't want people trying to detox themselves and having seizures or heart attacks on the airplane or in the car on the way there. Medically proven fact. My father had the same thinking as you and thought that by picking me up and taking me to his house and taking my wallet and keys that I could just wipe knuckle it and lay in bed and Shake and suffer through it... Tjatnis until I was walking from the kitchen into the living room and fell face first and had a partial seizure and had to take me to the ER and then the very next weekend next Saturday after being at his house since Friday morning and not drinking since Thursday night also in his living room right in front of him after stepping outside to get some fresh air I came back inside close the door from the backyard and as soon as I close the door I fell straight back like a two-by-four falling bashing my head on the tile floor and sprain blood everywhere and had a grand mal seizure with my eyes rolling back in my head and foam coming out of my mouth and I woke up to EMTs standing over top of me. It took that happening to allow me to do shots of vodka (which he pouredl) periodically throughout the next day and night until I left for Rehab.. I had to wake him up at 1am to pour me a shot. That shit had nothing to do with willpower.
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It is weakness.i quit everything I ever did cold turkey.30 beers a night,3 packs cigs a day,Xanax daily,ativan daily.Its called will power and man the fuck up.It is weak to say I'm addicted,cut the shit and man the fuck up and take responsibility for your r weak actions. I have said the same to my best friends years ago before they either died or I stopped talking with them all together.this word and most in it are weak.
Drinking 30 a night isn't the same as drinking 30 throughout the day all day from the time you wake up.
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The side effects you describe aren't typically associated with true Benzo withdrawal. Benzo withdrawal a major risk is sezuires heart attack and stroke.
"Doing benzos" and being addicted to them isntn exactly the same thing. I've been in rehab with guys who would take 6 mg of Xanax five six seven times a day.andntjeyd shake and have tremors like alcoholics.
I've used benzos since 2000 or 2001 and when I have my Pharmacy I had Xanax and Valium and all over my house and cars and even when kicking painkillers the thought of abusing benzos never crossed my mind. I have constantly been told by doctors that I cannot use benzos because I have past addictions to opiates and namely alcohol despite the fact that I have never abused them or suffered any kind of withdrawal sub on stopping benzos. Actually the only reason I drank was because I had zero access to benzos. My body's physiology would not allow me to use alcohol without developing very quickly and enormous tolerance and physical dependence on it while Enzo's we're perfectly fine. I was disciplined my entire life up until I was prescribed painkillers for a shoulder injury. That meant I didn't party in high school I didn't drink I didn't smoke weed. On friday/saturday nights when my friends were getting fucked up, i was in the gym training... Literally. (Obviously junior/senior yr those nights were sometimes spent with gfs, but usually still after training). From 14-19? I didn't miss a single workout, even with the injury, even when I developed gasteritis preparing for the San Diego championships when I was 19 from drinking about 30cc retrofit-b by accident and couldn't eat or drink more than a sip of water for 10-12 days (with zero water nor food the final 5-6) I still made it to the gym even though the sessions were a waste and I dropped nearly 20lbs and fucked up my prep.. discipline has nothing to do with stopping. at least when it comes to things people are physically addicted to that require a medically supervised detox. You are speaking out of ignorance while I am speaking out of experience and education. I have done this myself and I have helped a lot of other people as well so I'm not just repeating shit I read on Google. Why do you think rehab facilities tell people not to stop drinking or not to stop taking benzos or GHB or whatever until they actually leave for Rehab? It's because they know what the fuck they're doing and they understand the risks associated with that and don't want people trying to detox themselves and having seizures or heart attacks on the airplane or in the car on the way there. Medically proven fact. My father had the same thinking as you and thought that by picking me up and taking me to his house and taking my wallet and keys that I could just wipe knuckle it and lay in bed and Shake and suffer through it... Tjatnis until I was walking from the kitchen into the living room and fell face first and had a partial seizure and had to take me to the ER and then the very next weekend next Saturday after being at his house since Friday morning and not drinking since Thursday night also in his living room right in front of him after stepping outside to get some fresh air I came back inside close the door from the backyard and as soon as I close the door I fell straight back like a two-by-four falling bashing my head on the tile floor and sprain blood everywhere and had a grand mal seizure with my eyes rolling back in my head and foam coming out of my mouth and I woke up to EMTs standing over top of me. It took that happening to allow me to do shots of vodka (which he pouredl) periodically throughout the next day and night until I left for Rehab.. I had to wake him up at 1am to pour me a shot. That shit had nothing to do with willpower.
and you still expect people to believe you are some kind of tough guy, fuck me you wouldnt last 10 seconds in a fight, you are fucked...
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and you still expect people to believe you are some kind of tough guy, fuck me you wouldnt last 10 seconds in a fight, you are fucked...
Based on? Don't bother asking.
Despite your delusional fantasy I would still absolutely murder you if given the chance and wouldn't tell a soul.
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Based on? Don't bother asking.
Despite your delusional fantasy I would still absolutely murder you if given the chance and wouldn't tell a soul.
hahahaha...now thats bullshit and you know it.... ;D
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It was percs to ocs to heroin.Everyone of them the same shit.I grew up knowing one thing about drugs and that was don't do heroin.It was everywhere the news,Tv,movies etc...how the fuck do you do the most evil lowlife ducking drug?the writing is on the wall.Stuck to booze and weed.All it takes is some thinking and it seeems today no one thinks.i tried ocs once to see what the fuss was about and it was a 20 and it made me feel like shit.Tried coke once and hated it.I liked weed but quit that about a month ago and I drank like a fish from 16-17 till 28ish then quit except for the occasional glass of scotch.I smoked 3-4 packs of marlboro reds daily from. 17-28 as well and quit.Ive quit everything,it's called will power and from what I see today no one has any.its just pathetic is all.
It took you over 10 years to curb your drinking, so it's not so pathetic if one lacks the willpower. ESfitness is right, everyone has different body chemistry and reacts differently to drugs. It's bad to make those first decisions on using, that's when willpower is easiest. But when you spiral, it's very difficult.
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Just took 50mg oxycodone. Still don't see what is so mind-blowing about this.
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Just took 50mg oxycodone. Still don't see what is so mind-blowing about this.
Why would you do this? Its a workday tomorrow. You dont work on mondays?
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It was percs to ocs to heroin.Everyone of them the same shit.I grew up knowing one thing about drugs and that was don't do heroin.It was everywhere the news,Tv,movies etc...how the fuck do you do the most evil lowlife ducking drug?the writing is on the wall.Stuck to booze and weed.All it takes is some thinking and it seeems today no one thinks.i tried ocs once to see what the fuss was about and it was a 20 and it made me feel like shit.Tried coke once and hated it.I liked weed but quit that about a month ago and I drank like a fish from 16-17 till 28ish then quit except for the occasional glass of scotch.I smoked 3-4 packs of marlboro reds daily from. 17-28 as well and quit.Ive quit everything,it's called will power and from what I see today no one has any.its just pathetic is all.
4 packs of sigs a day? I must call BS on that. Thats 100 sigs a day.
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4 packs of sigs a day? I must call BS on that. Thats 100 sigs a day.
Yeah I smoked 3-4 packs aday.and 4 packs is 80
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Yeah I smoked 3-4 packs aday.and 4 packs is 80
Where I am from you need to make bank to afford that. 9 dollar per pack here.
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I make good money,but I quit smoking 12 years ago and they were 5 a pack then.
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I make good money,but I quit smoking 12 years ago and they were 5 a pack then.
You must have had some disconfort from smoking so much every day, no?
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You must have had some disconfort from smoking so much every day, no?
I was burning the candle at both ends in those days.drinking 30ish beers a night 3-4 nights a week,smoking 3-4 packs a day,working 60 hours a week.I felt fucking great oddly enough.If I could go back I would do nothing but work.
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Where I am from you need to make bank to afford that. 9 dollar per pack here.
I quit smoking 2 weeks ago tonight. I was on 40 a day (it gradually crept up as stress increased). I didn't see a problem with Ł8 a pack. Until I considered that's Ł480 a month.
Nearly Ł6,000 a year. What a fucking waste.
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I was burning the candle at both ends in those days.drinking 30ish beers a night 3-4 nights a week,smoking 3-4 packs a day,working 60 hours a week.I felt fucking great oddly enough.If I could go back I would do nothing but work.
Umm... Comparing drinking beer l, no matter now much, only at night and only 3-4 nights a week is nothing compared to what real drinkers have to deal withbwhen they quit drinking everyday from sun up till sundown. You likely experienced no withdrawal and assume real drinkers must experience the same. Lol.. 3-4days a week. Lol
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Umm... Comparing drinking beer l, no matter now much, only at night and only 3-4 nights a week is nothing compared to what real drinkers have to deal withbwhen they quit drinking everyday from sun up till sundown. You likely experienced no withdrawal and assume real drinkers must experience the same. Lol.. 3-4days a week. Lol
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Umm... Comparing drinking beer l, no matter now much, only at night and only 3-4 nights a week is nothing compared to what real drinkers have to deal withbwhen they quit drinking everyday from sun up till sundown. You likely experienced no withdrawal and assume real drinkers must experience the same. Lol.. 3-4days a week. Lol
So you are bragging about being an alcoholic and a drug addict in this whole thread?i stick to my beliefs and always will,I think drug addicts and drunks are weak people.Simple as that.I find them amusing and pathetic that goes for my best friends that passed away and are still alive.No sympathy for the weak.I have sympathy for people with real diseases such as cancer,ms etc... things you can't control.
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So you are bragging about being an alcoholic and a drug addict in this whole thread?i stick to my beliefs and always will,I think drug addicts and drunks are weak people.Simple as that.I find them amusing and pathetic that goes for my best friends that passed away and are still alive.No sympathy for the weak.I have sympathy for people with real diseases such as cancer,ms etc... things you can't control.
Bragging? You Beyer check who's bragging. You're bragging about how great your willpower is comparing your "drinking" to somebody who would actually go through withdrawal in order to quit. Lol
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Don't you have some horeseface wife or austitic kid to pay some attention to? Maybe they're sick of you as well
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Bragging? You Beyer check who's bragging. You're bragging about how great your willpower is comparing your "drinking" to somebody who would actually go through withdrawal in order to quit. Lol
My willpower is fucking great,yours is not as you decided to shoot heroin and who knows what else.
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My willpower is fucking great,yours is not as you decided to shoot heroin and who knows what else.
The Willpower needed to stop drinking at night (lets say you drank from 6pm till midnight.. 6hrs) three or four times a week is about as great as the willpower a child needs to stop using a pacifier. Congratulations
You're comparing you're supposedly will power to stop drinking 18-24hrs per week compared to somebody who drinks likely 18hrs a day or 127hrs a week. Lol.
I'm not surprised youndont see the foolishness of your "argument". Lol
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The Willpower needed to stop drinking at night (lets say you drank from 6pm till midnight.. 6hrs) three or four times a week is about as great as the willpower a child needs to stop using a pacifier. Congratulations
You're comparing you're supposedly will power to stop drinking 18-24hrs per week compared to somebody who drinks likely 18hrs a day or 127hrs a week. Lol.
I'm not surprised youndont see the foolishness of your "argument". Lol
I think the foolishness lies in the idiot drinking 18 hours a day 7 days a week,no?
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So you are bragging about being an alcoholic and a drug addict in this whole thread?i stick to my beliefs and always will,I think drug addicts and drunks are weak people.Simple as that.I find them amusing and pathetic that goes for my best friends that passed away and are still alive.No sympathy for the weak.I have sympathy for people with real diseases such as cancer,ms etc... things you can't control.
This may cross into philosophy a bit but do we have free will and if so how much of it?
Clearly some people are more prone to addictions, don't you agree? I believe there is a genetic susceptibility in some people for sure. Same as I think "willpower" can be genetic too, some people are stronger willed in some areas by nature.
I don't necessarily think addiction should be classed a disease but perhaps addictions are best controlled through medicine/science in the future since some people will lack this "willpower" to stay clean no matter what.
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This may cross into philosophy a bit but do we have free will and if so how much of it?
Clearly some people are more prone to addictions, don't you agree? I believe there is a genetic susceptibility in some people for sure. Same as I think "willpower" can be genetic too, some people are stronger willed in some areas by nature.
I don't necessarily think addiction should be classed a disease but perhaps addictions are best controlled through medicine/science in the future since some people will lack this "willpower" to stay clean no matter what.
Honestly I've known so many addicts and I'm just sick of hearing about them and their disease and methadone and soboxen etc...They put themselves in this position so get yourself out.just so sick of it.if you have a brain then use it.
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Honestly I've known so many addicts and I'm just sick of hearing about them and their disease and methadone and soboxen etc...They put themselves in this position so get yourself out.just so sick of it.if you have a brain then use it.
Except you were comparing yourself to them, yet you weren't.
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Except you were comparing yourself to them, yet you weren't.
Blah blah blah ...
(Dude, still got any Oxy/Norc hook-ups? I have a slight ache.)
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Blah blah blah ...
(Dude, still got any Oxy/Norc hook-ups? I have a slight ache.)
No idea where to find any. Maybe try heroin?
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No idea where to find any. Maybe try heroin?
Fuck it get me some,I feel like getting addicted then just quitting.
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Fuck it get me some,I feel like getting addicted then just quitting.
Yeah!
C'mon, ES. Hook us up, bro.
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Just say no and stay in school !! ;)
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$110/g
VenMo me
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$110/g
VenMo me
$4 a pill/VenMo schmenmo, PM.
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$4 a pill/VenMo schmenmo, PM.
4/pill? Maybe for a Roxy. Pills don't do shit for me. Need 200mg crushed up and swallowed for me to even feel oxycodone anymore. Had kidney stone about 5months ago and tried 12 10mg tabs one day crushed up all at once & 20tabs the next day and didn't feel shit aside from making me puke about 3hrs later. Did help the pain though and posses blood next morning So I know I passed the stone. Opiate tolerance is still fucked over a year since my last dose. I suppose it does come back cuz I had a wisdom tooth pulled in prison maybe in 08 or 09 and they gave me 1 5mg Vicodin twice a day for 3 days and was high all day.. So high I couldn't even sleep at night. Lol... And that was 7-8yrs since id been off Nubian... pills just ain't worth the trouble for me. If I have surgery anytime soon they're just gonna have to do a nerve block or something.. Not like I'd take a painkiller anyways, especially after the kidney stone experience. Besides, I refused them after my grade 3 ankle separation last spring fresh outta rehab.
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Fuck it get me some,I feel like getting addicted then just quitting.
Careful bro, haven't you seen the Starsky and Hutch episode, "The Fix" where Hutch gets hooked on the hard stuff (involuntarily, of course)? If you're gonna try this, make sure you've got a Starsky lined up ;D
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$110/g
VenMo me
Actually not a terrible price.
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Actually not a terrible price.
Not a terrible price for me to sell it. Lol.. I used to pay 180 for 6g lol
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Street price buying one at a time... I've heard of people paying upwards of $70 for half gram
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Good healthy discussion here guys..........carry on !! LOL :D
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Street price buying one at a time... I've heard of people paying upwards of $70 for half gram
Well, back when I first started I was getting it off a buddy's girlfriend who happened to be a crackhead (my buddy didn't no she was a crackhead when he started seeing her and when she moved in and didn't have the heart to kick her out of the street once he found out so he was kind of stuck with her) was charging me $360 a gram once she found out that I could afford $100 a gram and then 150 a gram and then 250 a gram and so on LOL
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How much?
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My willpower is fucking great,yours is not as you decided to shoot heroin and who knows what else.
Not trying to slam you or anything, but you mentioned quitting a fuckload of things recently with willpower. How recently?
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4/pill? Maybe for a Roxy. Pills don't do shit for me. Need 200mg crushed up and swallowed for me to even feel oxycodone anymore. Had kidney stone about 5months ago and tried 12 10mg tabs one day crushed up all at once & 20tabs the next day and didn't feel shit aside from making me puke about 3hrs later. Did help the pain though and posses blood next morning So I know I passed the stone. Opiate tolerance is still fucked over a year since my last dose. I suppose it does come back cuz I had a wisdom tooth pulled in prison maybe in 08 or 09 and they gave me 1 5mg Vicodin twice a day for 3 days and was high all day.. So high I couldn't even sleep at night. Lol... And that was 7-8yrs since id been off Nubian... pills just ain't worth the trouble for me. If I have surgery anytime soon they're just gonna have to do a nerve block or something.. Not like I'd take a painkiller anyways, especially after the kidney stone experience. Besides, I refused them after my grade 3 ankle separation last spring fresh outta rehab.
You've sampled a lot more of these things than me, that's for sure. I know it's subjective, and I take your point about some of the pills not working for you any more, but once upon a time you could feel them, right? So I was wondering if you could you rank these things (opiates) in order of strength?
To be clear - I've no intention of taking anything as a result of any list you write LOL - you can't get most of these in the UK anyway... I guess I'm just wondering what the 'escalation route' is for people who don't go straight to heroin...
And has anyone ever tried poppy seed tea?
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Well,
My brother is in the hospital right now in MOntreal as a result of the "lifestyle" and the doctors are saying that 99% chance he won'e make it.
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Well,
My brother is in the hospital right now in MOntreal as a result of the "lifestyle" and the doctors are saying that 99% chance he won'e make it.
Grim. Hope they are wrong. Stay strong dude.
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Grim. Hope they are wrong. Stay strong dude.
Thanks.
I have to stay online as my mother is only emailing because she is leaving her phone open.Hate to say it but my brother is my mother's world, more than me(100% serious). If he doesn't make I fear more the fallout from all this when she loses what is left of her sanity. We have our differences but I do wish what she is going through on anyone.
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Sorry Nelson.
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Sorry Nelson.
thanks
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You've sampled a lot more of these things than me, that's for sure. I know it's subjective, and I take your point about some of the pills not working for you any more, but once upon a time you could feel them, right? So I was wondering if you could you rank these things (opiates) in order of strength?
To be clear - I've no intention of taking anything as a result of any list you write LOL - you can't get most of these in the UK anyway... I guess I'm just wondering what the 'escalation route' is for people who don't go straight to heroin...
And has anyone ever tried poppy seed tea?
In order? I'm sitting in a parking lot sipping a Gatorade so I gotta cpl mins..
Codiene
Vicodin -norco/hydrocodone
Oxycodone- Percocet/roxicet/oxycontin.. Onlyndifference is the mg per pill and if its sustained or instant release
Hmm after those? Gets tricky..
Oral morphine..Kaiden is much better than ms contain but if you have an opiate tolerance already neither will do much for you unless you take a large amount or early like above 200 mg
Opana
Injectable morphine
Diluadid or demerol injectable versions though.. The orals just don't work the same. When I had pancreatitis back in I believe 2003 2 mg of Dilaudid every 3 or 4 hours when I was in the hospital for 10 days got me higher than I ever been in my entire life. Keep in mind I'm talking an opiate High not like a weed Stoner buzzed High they're different.
Then you move onto diacetylmorphine or diamorphine which is heroin. That's all heroin is is morphine acetate. Injectable Riv I should say heroin has to do with a certain two chemicals I forget their names off the top of my head but those are what give the rush that heroin addicts usually get addicted to. Towards the end of my using my veins are all shot out and I will shooting heroin intramuscularly and never got a rush. Well I take that back sometimes I would get a rush actually all four times I overdosed or intramuscular I don't know if I nicked a vein or something on two of those but on the other two it was an intramuscular injection of China White heroin from the East Coast which likely had fentanyl in it. Shooting I'm will generally kick in within about 2 or 3 minutes and Ivy takes just a few seconds and you can taste it right away. Every time I OD'd shouldn't intramuscularly I could taste it almost immediately which leads me to believe I nicked a vein somehow and when I shot intramuscularly Howard shooting one or one-and-a-half grams at a time which is 1000 or 1500 mg of morphine acetate, which is a good 6x as strong as morphine sulphate (Kaiden or ms contin).
Then you have fentanyl, then things like car- Fentanyl and all the morphed fentanyl versions those are all stronger than heroin. However the feeling they give is shorter. Fentanyl will shut down your breathing quickly. Oding on it happens before you realize it.
Pills in general really never gave me any addiction issues. My problems always came from anything liquid that kicked in quick and I could feel it kick in quick. Nubain GHB alcohol heroin obviously because heroin was injectable IV.
Your tolerance will build up pretty quickly especially if you inject things. I remember like I said back when I was in the hospital in 03 or 04 whenever it was when I had pancreatitis the first time 2 mg of Dilaudid would have me super super high and warm and fuzzy I should mention when I say I was high opiates affect people in two different ways some people at knocks them out make some sleep they drool they don't like it whatever and other guys it makes some more active or gives them energy makes them hungry and they function all day... That was me. Like I said before there is a long period of time probably a year-and-a-half when my first client of the day would be at 5 a.m. and I'd be at the gym training people throughout the day until 7 p.m. at which time I would work front desk and manage front desk until midnight closing and sometimes training clients between 7 and midnight as well doing double duty with me being the only one working at the gym then I would have to rush home and try to get to bed and fall asleep by 1:30 or 2 and wake up at 4 or 4:30 and rush back to the gym and do it all over again that entire time I was shooting heroin all day never any stimulants or benzos or a drinking... but like I was saying that 2 mg of Dilaudid work really well but when I started using Dilaudid tablets and crushing those up and injecting them iOS easily doing 8 214 mg per shot Ivy and doing that probably 8 times a day. Actually looking back the feeling from Dilaudid was always much much better than heroin feeling ever was. That problem with Heroin though as it really fucks up your tolerance and you need to do it just not to be sick. A couple times when I ran out of heroin and couldn't get a hold of a supplier I would get a hold of some Dilaudid tablets or oxycontin's and I would shoot 20 mg of Dilaudid IV and still be in heroin withdrawal and then shoot another 10 or 15 mg IV on top of that maybe two minutes later because I didn't feel the rush initially and after that still would be able draw compared to the term G they got me high as a kite before. Same with Oxycontin I never shot it but taking it orally I could take 3 60mg tablets crushed-up and still be in withdrawal whereas a lot of people if not most people might overdose on a single 60 mg.
..... believe me if I could have gotten away with taking less I absolutely would have it would have saved me a hell of a lot of money. I literally could be bought a condo in cash.. Paid off for what I blew on heroin. And all of it was funded with steroids sales. So I get to sit here and think about all that money that I could have reinvested in my business and all the prophets I lost I sat in rehab doing the math and the money that I spent on heroin if I would have reinvested it in my business I would have grossed between 800 and 1.2 million dollars. That's a bitter pill to swallow.
*Edit.. typed all that or whatever using voice text sitting in a hot car and a parking lot and I didn't bother to spell check your grammar check any of that shit so that's that... Walking in the grocery store now so probably not going to spell check this either but I just remembered while driving over here listening to a Joe Rogan podcast that I forgot a few things
Ultram/tramadol, Temgesic/Stadol ( buprenorphine yeah give ingredients in Suboxone and Subutex& Zubsolv sp?..& Torbugesic, & Darvocet.
Ultram is a synthetic opiate Agonist antagonist like nubain. It's actually one of the things I used to get off of nubain. If you don't have an opiate tolerance if you take some it'll give you a sedating feeling like a mild opiate warm-and-fuzzy content feeling. Had about 50 to 100 mg. And doses over 200 mg or 800mg total in a day to run the risk of having seizures because the shit works on something like 10 - 14 or 11 or whatever areas of the brain .being an SSRI being one of them. For a long long time it was marketed as being non-addictive and usable by people with prior opiate addictions and that should definitely isn't true period in the rankings last I drank it below Vicodin and maybe below or possibly equal to codeine actually probably a drink and Below coating come to think of it. Its a motherfuckernto come off because it has not only the opiate withdrawal you have to deal with but also the withdrawal from the other areas of the brain that works on such as serotonin and norepinephrine and whatnot. So with the withdrawal you get the so-called brain zaps which are kind of hard to explain. I got them with nubain as well and then on occasion when trying to kick heroin. It's sort of like 70 hits a light switch in your brain and turns it off and turns it right back on quick. Like you are beginning to collapse straight down for a split second and then you snap back into it with like a zapping Feeling. Like I said it's hard to explain and that's just one of the withdrawal symptoms that's coming with antidepressants withdrawal especially with things like Celexa and Effexor and I believe Cymbalta.
Temgesic is buprenorphine the same shit Suboxone and Subutex is. Also a opiate Agonist antagonist. Back before Suboxone was being prescribed or even on the market for heroin withdrawal I was doing my research and figuring out how to come off of nubain and figured out that I could use to music to occupy the opiate receptor but not actually have the feeling so I wouldn't get sick or as sick. That was in late 2001 and early-to-mid 2002. I firstnbecame a war of suboxone about a year after if used Temgesic to kick, about late 03. Reading about it in rolling stone or Time magazine. Was pretty proud of myself figuring out how it could benusednto kick before it was brought to trials. Lol. Back then before kicking nubain I would actually use Temgesic along with nubain because thenfeeling is very similar. However the doses used then are much much lower than suboxone. If do 1/4-1/2cc shots if of either .1mg/1cc or .2mg/cc I forget the potency, but well below the 8-32MG per day of suboxone used these days. It gives an ok feeling like nubain at LOW doses if you have a very lowntolerance and zero opiate in your bloodstream.(if there's opiates in your bloodstream you'll experience what's called Precipitated Withdrawal.. Which is opiate withdrawal x10.. Fucken horrible).. At higher doses you get no high .but can still od, especially with benzos in yer blood.
Darvocet is below codeine. Garbage. Makesnyou sick. And constpitated. I thinkntjey actually pulled it from the market.
Torbugesis is also an opiate agonist/antagonists. Kinda proud to have brought that one to market back in 01 when Nubain dried up lol. Its a veterinary drug in Mexico. Similarnto bain but gives a metal if taste/feeling in her mouth and a ringing in her ears.
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Pills in general really never gave me any addiction issues.
What about the tramadol? For how long did you take it until you felt you were hooked?
Some I know say they don't feel much from tramadol, not junkies but regular people using a short term script. It got
me pretty damn high, not that I have experience from stronger drugs. Makes me feel really good, a very strong antidepressant
effect, probably from the serotonin/noradrenaline boost. But after taking it for just a few days and then stopping gave me a strong rebound effect
where I felt like absolute shit mentally. I spoke to a dude at work and he said he once took tramadol for a "whole summer" and then stopped with
zero withdrawals. After we spoke he picked up 10 200mg tramadol depot tabs and took one a day. After the 10 days he said he had a few very uncomfortable days where he had skin crawling sensations and couldn't sit still and felt like shit.
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What about the tramadol? For how long did you take it until you felt you were hooked?
Some I know say they don't feel much from tramadol, not junkies but regular people using a short term script. It got
me pretty damn high, not that I have experience from stronger drugs. Makes me feel really good, a very strong antidepressant
effect, probably from the serotonin/noradrenaline boost. But after taking it for just a few days and then stopping gave me a strong rebound effect
where I felt like absolute shit mentally. I spoke to a dude at work and he said he once took tramadol for a "whole summer" and then stopped with
zero withdrawals. After we spoke he picked up 10 200mg tramadol depot tabs and took one a day. After the 10 days he said he had a few very uncomfortable days where he had skin crawling sensations and couldn't sit still and felt like shit.
I take tramadol every now and again for my low back issues
one 50mg tab does me all day, nice relaxed feeling.
took two once by mistake, spent two hours on the sofa staring at the TV spaced out...
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What about the tramadol? For how long did you take it until you felt you were hooked?
Some I know say they don't feel much from tramadol, not junkies but regular people using a short term script. It got
me pretty damn high, not that I have experience from stronger drugs. Makes me feel really good, a very strong antidepressant
effect, probably from the serotonin/noradrenaline boost. But after taking it for just a few days and then stopping gave me a strong rebound effect
where I felt like absolute shit mentally. I spoke to a dude at work and he said he once took tramadol for a "whole summer" and then stopped with
zero withdrawals. After we spoke he picked up 10 200mg tramadol depot tabs and took one a day. After the 10 days he said he had a few very uncomfortable days where he had skin crawling sensations and couldn't sit still and felt like shit.
Ahh good catch. Forgot about that. never used it because it "felt good", so addiction to that kinda slipped my mind.. I was first prescribed it back in 2012? when it was still really cheap and easy to get so I always had a lot and would hardly ever run out unless I forgot to reorder or something, but maybe three or four months Intuit, if I forgot a dose I would feel uncomfortable a few hours later and it dawned on me that I had forgotten the dose and I was probably feeling like that because I missed the dose. I was prescribed eight per day, 200mg 4x/day, but I didn't like the side effects after a while and was worried about serotonin syndrome. Think I used that for about 9months or maybe a year? Before they changed the scheduling and made it so I had to actually go to the doctor's office each time to get a refill just like Vicodin or Percocet or something. And like I had mentioned and other threads the doctor would write me a prescription for three a day by that time I had weened myself down to 3 per day until the doctor I only wanted three per day) only enough pills for 20 days and I couldn't get another doctor's appointment for 30 days so I had 10 days of withdrawal to suffer through. That's when the opportunity for dilaudid came about, unfortunately.
Tramadol withdrawal is opiate withdrawal only a lil different. I've only had skin growing with new bank withdrawal but Tramadol withdrawal brought me shitty anxiety, sniffles, sneezing, watery nose, watery eyes, yawning, and all the typical withdrawal shit.. In addition to the "brain zaps" (google it) from ssri withdrawal and just feeling like shit. But it had the same feeling of needing some in your bloodstream"just to function" througjout the day like other opiates.
I recognized the ssri withdrawal because if gone through it on prison. In order to keep my klonopin prescription, they had me take an antidepressant. They suggested Prozac n Zoloft n paxil all of which underlines. Then they said how bout Celexa?", I didn't know much about Celexa so I agreed to that and I believe 20 mg a day which was taken at 4 p.m. med pass where everybody would have to go walk all the way up to the nurses station in the medical building which was like 200 yd maybe 300 actually to stand in line while the nurse or med-tech would give you the pills and you'd swallow there and show your mouth and tongue in shit so you couldn't "cheek" them. Well, onenday i didn't have work that afternoonb for whatever reason so I decided to take the afternoon off and instead of doing research and shit in the library I chose two eat and take a nap and slept through Med pass. Now missing a Klonopin dose was no big deal. I never had withdrawal from a benzo but later on that night after dinner and just before night time wreck when I would go train I started feeling a strange feeling that I recognized as withdrawal I couldn't figure out what the hell I was from because if I wanted Klonopin I had plenty of extra (sold that as well as other things like ativan, restoril, soma, oxy, & others, but never used them. I liked money and I absolutely did not want to be addicted to anything in prison) so I took one of those but it didn't change anything I'll still having withdrawal symptoms and they continue to all night and into the next morning and all day at work and I felt like absolute shit like I was in withdrawal, at least the psychological aspects of withdrawal and very mild physical withdrawal like lethargy and physical anxiety. It wasn't until that afternoon meant past when I took the Celexa and while walking that three hundred yards back to my unit the feeling went away just like push the plunger down on a needle and i put 2 & 2 together. I made sure not to miss a dose for the next few days and then I decided to cheek a pill, not take it and see what would happen.. If i went into withdrawal, if at least have the pill on hand. By this time I had been clean for quite a while and was pretty clear-headed and focused and I had a business and image to maintain and was absolutely focused on not being addicted to anything and being as mentally strong, sharp, and on point as I possibly could be (and was.. Which is partly why prison was never hard for me).. I waited as long as I could before the withdrawal got bad enough to take the pill. Then I knew for sure that the Celexa was causing the withdrawal. The next day I started doing the research on it and drugs like it and saw the Dr soon after and started the taper. The doctor was fucking clueless about the withdrawal from Celexa and wanted to cut me cold turkey off either 20 or 40 mg per day down to zero and switch over to another drug or something and I would have weeks of withdrawal to deal with while in fucking prison and while having absolutely no clue how whatever new drug they were going to put me on wood interact with that drug or interact with the withdrawal. So I decided I would try Effexor since that was an orb enough and reuptake inhibitor I thought that would perhaps give a boost to metabolism or at least a little bit of energy in the gym or energy during the day. So after getting the doctor to slowly wean you down off the Celexa by 5 mg every 10 days (which the Dr resisted. He still wanted to decrease the dose by 10 mg every 2 or 3 days. The nurses bitched as well because it meant them having to take out uphill occasionally and cutting it into fourths). That made the WD better, but still noticeable for then first 2-3days after each decrease..... Anyways, then it was on to Effexor which I really didn't notice anything from (same as with celexa.. noticed absolutely nothing with that as well. Perhaps because I wasn't fucking depressed Amazon taking the pills so I can still get my Klonopin). Doctor use me as a guinea pig a little bit and bumped up the dose pretty high and then lo and behold same fucking thing happens and I missed the dose and sure enough I get fucking withdrawal way quicker than with the Celexa and way stronger "brain zaps". Except a good part with the Effexor was I was taking that twice per day and I had missed the morning dose so I just had to suffer through the morning and afternoon and will be back to normal by afternoon/evening... so I started the whole damn process over again with meeting with the doctor and waiting myself down until it was the absolute smallest dose they had and just discontinuing the Klonopin as well as any other meds since the Klonopin wasn't worth it. ( later on I actually went back on klonopin after talking to the doctor and get an a prescription for Wellbutrin since I would cheek the Wellbutrin and sell those for $12each (& is get 4 per day) because prisoners scrape the coating off the pill crush it into a fine powder and snort it so I figured I may as well get Klonopin as well lol. I actually did try the Wellbutrin for a while, orally not snorting them, (however I have tried snorting them and I wasn't impressed. It's dopamine reuptake inhibitor Like Cocaine and some people's bodies respond well to stimulants like that and they enjoy it and some people don't. I'm one of the ones who doesn't. Luckily.) & after a few months of Wellbutrin and a consistent dosing schedule if I missed a dose or even missed two or three doses I felt absolutely zero withdrawal. So in my experience if you're looking for a antidepressant without side effects such as withdrawal or sexual side effects Wellbutrin is probably your only option or your best option.
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Ahh good catch. Forgot about that. never used it because it "felt good", so addiction to that kinda slipped my mind.. I was first prescribed it back in 2012? when it was still really cheap and easy to get so I always had a lot and would hardly ever run out unless I forgot to reorder or something, but maybe three or four months Intuit, if I forgot a dose I would feel uncomfortable a few hours later and it dawned on me that I had forgotten the dose and I was probably feeling like that because I missed the dose. I was prescribed eight per day, 200mg 4x/day, but I didn't like the side effects after a while and was worried about serotonin syndrome. Think I used that for about 9months or maybe a year? Before they changed the scheduling and made it so I had to actually go to the doctor's office each time to get a refill just like Vicodin or Percocet or something. And like I had mentioned and other threads the doctor would write me a prescription for three a day by that time I had weened myself down to 3 per day until the doctor I only wanted three per day) only enough pills for 20 days and I couldn't get another doctor's appointment for 30 days so I had 10 days of withdrawal to suffer through. That's when the opportunity for dilaudid came about, unfortunately.
Tramadol withdrawal is opiate withdrawal only a lil different. I've only had skin growing with new bank withdrawal but Tramadol withdrawal brought me shitty anxiety, sniffles, sneezing, watery nose, watery eyes, yawning, and all the typical withdrawal shit.. In addition to the "brain zaps" (google it) from ssri withdrawal and just feeling like shit. But it had the same feeling of needing some in your bloodstream"just to function" througjout the day like other opiates.
I recognized the ssri withdrawal because if gone through it on prison. In order to keep my klonopin prescription, they had me take an antidepressant. They suggested Prozac n Zoloft n paxil all of which underlines. Then they said how bout Celexa?", I didn't know much about Celexa so I agreed to that and I believe 20 mg a day which was taken at 4 p.m. med pass where everybody would have to go walk all the way up to the nurses station in the medical building which was like 200 yd maybe 300 actually to stand in line while the nurse or med-tech would give you the pills and you'd swallow there and show your mouth and tongue in shit so you couldn't "cheek" them. Well, onenday i didn't have work that afternoonb for whatever reason so I decided to take the afternoon off and instead of doing research and shit in the library I chose two eat and take a nap and slept through Med pass. Now missing a Klonopin dose was no big deal. I never had withdrawal from a benzo but later on that night after dinner and just before night time wreck when I would go train I started feeling a strange feeling that I recognized as withdrawal I couldn't figure out what the hell I was from because if I wanted Klonopin I had plenty of extra (sold that as well as other things like ativan, restoril, soma, oxy, & others, but never used them. I liked money and I absolutely did not want to be addicted to anything in prison) so I took one of those but it didn't change anything I'll still having withdrawal symptoms and they continue to all night and into the next morning and all day at work and I felt like absolute shit like I was in withdrawal, at least the psychological aspects of withdrawal and very mild physical withdrawal like lethargy and physical anxiety. It wasn't until that afternoon meant past when I took the Celexa and while walking that three hundred yards back to my unit the feeling went away just like push the plunger down on a needle and i put 2 & 2 together. I made sure not to miss a dose for the next few days and then I decided to cheek a pill, not take it and see what would happen.. If i went into withdrawal, if at least have the pill on hand. By this time I had been clean for quite a while and was pretty clear-headed and focused and I had a business and image to maintain and was absolutely focused on not being addicted to anything and being as mentally strong, sharp, and on point as I possibly could be (and was.. Which is partly why prison was never hard for me).. I waited as long as I could before the withdrawal got bad enough to take the pill. Then I knew for sure that the Celexa was causing the withdrawal. The next day I started doing the research on it and drugs like it and saw the Dr soon after and started the taper. The doctor was fucking clueless about the withdrawal from Celexa and wanted to cut me cold turkey off either 20 or 40 mg per day down to zero and switch over to another drug or something and I would have weeks of withdrawal to deal with while in fucking prison and while having absolutely no clue how whatever new drug they were going to put me on wood interact with that drug or interact with the withdrawal. So I decided I would try Effexor since that was an orb enough and reuptake inhibitor I thought that would perhaps give a boost to metabolism or at least a little bit of energy in the gym or energy during the day. So after getting the doctor to slowly wean you down off the Celexa by 5 mg every 10 days (which the Dr resisted. He still wanted to decrease the dose by 10 mg every 2 or 3 days. The nurses bitched as well because it meant them having to take out uphill occasionally and cutting it into fourths). That made the WD better, but still noticeable for then first 2-3days after each decrease..... Anyways, then it was on to Effexor which I really didn't notice anything from (same as with celexa.. noticed absolutely nothing with that as well. Perhaps because I wasn't fucking depressed Amazon taking the pills so I can still get my Klonopin). Doctor use me as a guinea pig a little bit and bumped up the dose pretty high and then lo and behold same fucking thing happens and I missed the dose and sure enough I get fucking withdrawal way quicker than with the Celexa and way stronger "brain zaps". Except a good part with the Effexor was I was taking that twice per day and I had missed the morning dose so I just had to suffer through the morning and afternoon and will be back to normal by afternoon/evening... so I started the whole damn process over again with meeting with the doctor and waiting myself down until it was the absolute smallest dose they had and just discontinuing the Klonopin as well as any other meds since the Klonopin wasn't worth it. ( later on I actually went back on klonopin after talking to the doctor and get an a prescription for Wellbutrin since I would cheek the Wellbutrin and sell those for $12each (& is get 4 per day) because prisoners scrape the coating off the pill crush it into a fine powder and snort it so I figured I may as well get Klonopin as well lol. I actually did try the Wellbutrin for a while, orally not snorting them, (however I have tried snorting them and I wasn't impressed. It's dopamine reuptake inhibitor Like Cocaine and some people's bodies respond well to stimulants like that and they enjoy it and some people don't. I'm one of the ones who doesn't. Luckily.) & after a few months of Wellbutrin and a consistent dosing schedule if I missed a dose or even missed two or three doses I felt absolutely zero withdrawal. So in my experience if you're looking for a antidepressant without side effects such as withdrawal or sexual side effects Wellbutrin is probably your only option or your best option.
Thanks for the reply. Did you know that they have found some of Effexor's effects are mediated through the opioid system and theorize it could be useful to treat pain for this reason? Of course it's nothing like a painkiller but it's interesting nonetheless, especially since they really don't know for sure how antidepressants work exactly.
For example:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11931344
I'm unfortunately on both of those for panic anxiety.
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I take tramadol every now and again for my low back issues
one 50mg tab does me all day, nice relaxed feeling.
took two once by mistake, spent two hours on the sofa staring at the TV spaced out...
Yeah, it has a big "body load" in my experience, sort of buzzing feeling, hard to explain, I was almost like "damn, I hope I don't get serotonin syndrome now" because I was so stimulated in a way. It made it harder to sleep, probably from the adrenaline boost, but I just laid in bed half awake all content despite no sleep lol. Also made it next to impossible to orgasm, another common side. In fact I saw studies where it was tried as a treatment for premature ejaculation.
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I am mesmerized with the amount of drugs some of you guys claim use.
I hope you are all trolling, otherwise, i really fear for your health.
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In order? I'm sitting in a parking lot sipping a Gatorade so I gotta cpl mins..
Codiene
Vicodin -norco/hydrocodone
Oxycodone- Percocet/roxicet/oxycontin.. Onlyndifference is the mg per pill and if its sustained or instant release
Hmm after those? Gets tricky..
Oral morphine..Kaiden is much better than ms contain but if you have an opiate tolerance already neither will do much for you unless you take a large amount or early like above 200 mg
Opana
Injectable morphine
Diluadid or demerol injectable versions though.. The orals just don't work the same. When I had pancreatitis back in I believe 2003 2 mg of Dilaudid every 3 or 4 hours when I was in the hospital for 10 days got me higher than I ever been in my entire life. Keep in mind I'm talking an opiate High not like a weed Stoner buzzed High they're different.
Then you move onto diacetylmorphine or diamorphine which is heroin. That's all heroin is is morphine acetate. Injectable Riv I should say heroin has to do with a certain two chemicals I forget their names off the top of my head but those are what give the rush that heroin addicts usually get addicted to. Towards the end of my using my veins are all shot out and I will shooting heroin intramuscularly and never got a rush. Well I take that back sometimes I would get a rush actually all four times I overdosed or intramuscular I don't know if I nicked a vein or something on two of those but on the other two it was an intramuscular injection of China White heroin from the East Coast which likely had fentanyl in it. Shooting I'm will generally kick in within about 2 or 3 minutes and Ivy takes just a few seconds and you can taste it right away. Every time I OD'd shouldn't intramuscularly I could taste it almost immediately which leads me to believe I nicked a vein somehow and when I shot intramuscularly Howard shooting one or one-and-a-half grams at a time which is 1000 or 1500 mg of morphine acetate, which is a good 6x as strong as morphine sulphate (Kaiden or ms contin).
Then you have fentanyl, then things like car- Fentanyl and all the morphed fentanyl versions those are all stronger than heroin. However the feeling they give is shorter. Fentanyl will shut down your breathing quickly. Oding on it happens before you realize it.
Pills in general really never gave me any addiction issues. My problems always came from anything liquid that kicked in quick and I could feel it kick in quick. Nubain GHB alcohol heroin obviously because heroin was injectable IV.
That's a bitter pill to swallow.
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Great post - thanks for taking the time with that - interesting, informative and very much appreciated - lot to get through!
Only thing I ever had the balls to inject was gear... LOL
I see you mention oral morphine, but don't rappers drink oral codeine or some such thing? I'm sure I've seen stories about ODing on what is basically oral cough mixture...
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Tramadol withdrawal is opiate withdrawal only a lil different. I've only had skin growing with new bank withdrawal but Tramadol withdrawal brought me shitty anxiety, sniffles, sneezing, watery nose, watery eyes, yawning, and all the typical withdrawal shit.. In addition to the "brain zaps" (google it) from ssri withdrawal and just feeling like shit. But it had the same feeling of needing some in your bloodstream"just to function" througjout the day like other opiates.
So in my experience if you're looking for a antidepressant without side effects such as withdrawal or sexual side effects Wellbutrin is probably your only option or your best option.
Another rock-solid post thanks.
Even thought I've never taken an anti-depressant etc. my years of rec drugs (in my dirty past) mean I know the "brain zaps" well :o
I was never addicted to cocaine, I just really really like the way it smells...... ;D
#sniff
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I am mesmerized with the amount of drugs some of you guys claim use.
I hope you are all trolling, otherwise, i really fear for your health.
I would fear for my health, but I'm that doped up I can't be bothered......
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I see you mention oral morphine, but don't rappers drink oral codeine or some such thing? I'm sure I've seen stories about ODing on what is basically oral cough mixture...
That's a cough syrup with promethazine and codeine. As far as I know you can't OD on codeine as the body only converts so much to morphine. Don't know about the promethazine.
Some rappers like Lil Wayne have these seizures, don't know if it's due to the "purple drank" abuse.
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Yea "lean" is codeine and promethazine (an antihistamine). The promethazine potentiates the codeine. So 50mg codeine feels like 100mg sorta, if that makes sense. Not sure if it does for other opiates but if assume so. There's other things that potienate painkillers like Tagamet and grapefruit juice. They "use up" most the bodies CYP450 3A4 & 2D6 enzymes. Those are the enzymes that break down certain opiates and benzos and amphetamines. If those enzymes arnt around to breakdown the opiates in the blood, the opiates last much longer and hit harder. Not so opiates use the enzyme (it's worthless with heroin) & it would kill and effect from codeine since codeineuses the CYD450 enzymes to convert it into morphine.confusing stuff sometimes... I've also read the ceiling for codeine is about 400mg per dose.meaninhn600mgbwill feel no better than 400. Unaware of how long between doses. The LD50 is 800mg. I believe the guys whom die from "syrup" also had other things in their system such as benzos or even cold medicine.. So screw and pump-c.
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That's a cough syrup with promethazine and codeine. As far as I know you can't OD on codeine as the body only converts so much to morphine. Don't know about the promethazine.
Some rappers like Lil Wayne have these seizures, don't know if it's due to the "purple drank" abuse.
That's interesting, and at first seems counter-intuitive to some extent
Yea "lean" is codeine and promethazine (an antihistamine). The promethazine potentiates the codeine. So 50mg codeine feels like 100mg sorta, if that makes sense. Not sure if it does for other opiates but if assume so. There's other things that potienate painkillers like Tagamet and grapefruit juice.
... I've also read the ceiling for codeine is about 400mg per dose.meaninhn600mgbwill feel no better than 400. Unaware of how long between doses. The LD50 is 800mg. I believe the guys whom die from "syrup" also had other things in their system such as benzos or even cold medicine.. So screw and pump-c.
I understood the antihistamine thing, but the grapefruit thing is interesting, as you're warned against that if you take statins.
As for a ceiling, or correct/effective/lethal dosage of any compound for that matter, I've always wondered about standard advice in the following way: if the OTC recommended dose for a thing - say acetaminophen - is 1000mg for example, and I weigh 280 but my wife weighs 140, does that mean she should take 500mg? Or should she take the 1000mg and I take 2000mg, by virtue of the fact that I'm twice her size? Should Andre the Giant have quadrupled the dose of everything LOL ;D
And the same for gear in fact - surely we should all be working out a personal dose based on our LBM?
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In order? I'm sitting in a parking lot sipping a Gatorade so I gotta cpl mins..
Codiene
Vicodin -norco/hydrocodone
Oxycodone- Percocet/roxicet/oxycontin.. Onlyndifference is the mg per pill and if its sustained or instant release
Hmm after those? Gets tricky..
Oral morphine..Kaiden is much better than ms contain but if you have an opiate tolerance already neither will do much for you unless you take a large amount or early like above 200 mg
Opana
Injectable morphine
Diluadid or demerol injectable versions though.. The orals just don't work the same. When I had pancreatitis back in I believe 2003 2 mg of Dilaudid every 3 or 4 hours when I was in the hospital for 10 days got me higher than I ever been in my entire life. Keep in mind I'm talking an opiate High not like a weed Stoner buzzed High they're different.
Then you move onto diacetylmorphine or diamorphine which is heroin. That's all heroin is is morphine acetate.
Your tolerance will build up pretty quickly especially if you inject things. I remember like I said back when I was in the hospital in 03 or .
Darvocet is below codeine. Garbage. Makesnyou sick. And constpitated. I thinkntjey actually pulled it from the market.
Torbugesis is also an opiate agonist/antagonists. Kinda proud to have brought that one to market back in 01 when Nubain dried up lol. Its a veterinary drug in Mexico. Similarnto bain but gives a metal if taste/feeling in her mouth and a ringing in her ears.
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I thought all opiates made you constipated? Is there a league table for this too? E.g. do pills cause worse constipation by virtue of the fact you're introducing them directly into the gut? Or are injectables worse because they are stronger? I imagine heroin must cause awful problems in this area if you're not careful! :P
And itching - which is worse, oral or injectable..? (Sorry for all the questions, there aren't many places one can get info like this) :) 8)
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I thought all opiates made you constipated? Is there a league table for this too? E.g. do pills cause worse constipation by virtue of the fact you're introducing them directly into the gut? Or are injectables worse because they are stronger? I imagine heroin must cause awful problems in this area if you're not careful! :P
And itching - which is worse, oral or injectable..? (Sorry for all the questions, there aren't many places one can get info like this) :) 8)
From what I understand as far as opiates go size and body weight has nothing to do with it. It's kind of counterintuitive but taking two people who is body chemistry is identical opiate virgins one guy Duane 280 and another guy weighing 140 20 milligrams of Oxycodone will have the same effect on both of them. There is no sliding scale... From what I understand anyways.
As far as constipation goes that's going to be an individual thing as well. And I suppose a person could get accustomed to it opiates and have less and less constipation as their tolerance grows however I've never had a problem with constipation with opiates. Even in the beginning 17 years ago when I started with nubain... Except for when I was given Darvocet post kidney surgery.
Speaking of constipation the medication Loperamide (Imodium AD) is also technically an opiate however it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and only act or primarily Act on The receptors in the digestive system or body causing constipation to counteract diarrhea. It can be used when kicking heroin to minimize heroin order painkiller in general withdrawal not only by treating diarrhea that sometimes people get but also treating withdrawal in general. The doses used however are quite large by comparison the therapeutic doses recommended are 2-8 milligrams per day total. Whereas the doses used for opiate withdrawal are 40 to 80 mg once or twice per day...and there have been od deaths from recreational use from people with minimal opiate tolerance using huge doses trying to get that warm and fuzzy feeling. Also contrary to what you might think taking huge doses of loperamide doesn't make you super constipated like you would expect.
The itching is just a histamine reaction. It's an individual thing. Let's say for instance you do in IV injection of an opiate sometimes you can have itching and redness along that vein traveling back up the arm towards the heart from whatever opiate you had injected seeping through that vein and affecting surrounding tissues in creating a histamine reaction. The reaction can also produce little raised up patches of skin almost resembling hives . It's especially common if you make the mistake of injecting into an artery and the solution instead of going back to the heart gets pushed out towards the extremities like hands or fingers and it seeps through the bloodstream there and your whole hand or arm will swell up four or five times normal size , however these all go away pretty quickly
** using voice text again so that would explain the lack of punctuation or odd looking spelling or grammar errors so FYI
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I am mesmerized with the amount of drugs some of you guys claim use.
I hope you are all trolling, otherwise, i really fear for your health.
Hmm...
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Just took 50mg oxycodone. Still don't see what is so mind-blowing about this.
You must have a tolerance ...
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In order? I'm sitting in a parking lot sipping a Gatorade so I gotta cpl mins..
Codiene
Vicodin -norco/hydrocodone
Oxycodone- Percocet/roxicet/oxycontin.. Onlyndifference is the mg per pill and if its sustained or instant release
Hmm after those? Gets tricky..
Oral morphine..Kaiden is much better than ms contain but if you have an opiate tolerance already neither will do much for you unless you take a large amount or early like above 200 mg
Opana
Injectable morphine
Diluadid or demerol injectable versions though.. The orals just don't work the same. When I had pancreatitis back in I believe 2003 2 mg of Dilaudid every 3 or 4 hours when I was in the hospital for 10 days got me higher than I ever been in my entire life. Keep in mind I'm talking an opiate High not like a weed Stoner buzzed High they're different.
Then you move onto diacetylmorphine or diamorphine which is heroin. That's all heroin is is morphine acetate. Injectable Riv I should say heroin has to do with a certain two chemicals I forget their names off the top of my head but those are what give the rush that heroin addicts usually get addicted to. Towards the end of my using my veins are all shot out and I will shooting heroin intramuscularly and never got a rush. Well I take that back sometimes I would get a rush actually all four times I overdosed or intramuscular I don't know if I nicked a vein or something on two of those but on the other two it was an intramuscular injection of China White heroin from the East Coast which likely had fentanyl in it. Shooting I'm will generally kick in within about 2 or 3 minutes and Ivy takes just a few seconds and you can taste it right away. Every time I OD'd shouldn't intramuscularly I could taste it almost immediately which leads me to believe I nicked a vein somehow and when I shot intramuscularly Howard shooting one or one-and-a-half grams at a time which is 1000 or 1500 mg of morphine acetate, which is a good 6x as strong as morphine sulphate (Kaiden or ms contin).
Then you have fentanyl, then things like car- Fentanyl and all the morphed fentanyl versions those are all stronger than heroin. However the feeling they give is shorter. Fentanyl will shut down your breathing quickly. Oding on it happens before you realize it.
Pills in general really never gave me any addiction issues. My problems always came from anything liquid that kicked in quick and I could feel it kick in quick. Nubain GHB alcohol heroin obviously because heroin was injectable IV.
Your tolerance will build up pretty quickly especially if you inject things. I remember like I said back when I was in the hospital in 03 or 04 whenever it was when I had pancreatitis the first time 2 mg of Dilaudid would have me super super high and warm and fuzzy I should mention when I say I was high opiates affect people in two different ways some people at knocks them out make some sleep they drool they don't like it whatever and other guys it makes some more active or gives them energy makes them hungry and they function all day... That was me. Like I said before there is a long period of time probably a year-and-a-half when my first client of the day would be at 5 a.m. and I'd be at the gym training people throughout the day until 7 p.m. at which time I would work front desk and manage front desk until midnight closing and sometimes training clients between 7 and midnight as well doing double duty with me being the only one working at the gym then I would have to rush home and try to get to bed and fall asleep by 1:30 or 2 and wake up at 4 or 4:30 and rush back to the gym and do it all over again that entire time I was shooting heroin all day never any stimulants or benzos or a drinking... but like I was saying that 2 mg of Dilaudid work really well but when I started using Dilaudid tablets and crushing those up and injecting them iOS easily doing 8 214 mg per shot Ivy and doing that probably 8 times a day. Actually looking back the feeling from Dilaudid was always much much better than heroin feeling ever was. That problem with Heroin though as it really fucks up your tolerance and you need to do it just not to be sick. A couple times when I ran out of heroin and couldn't get a hold of a supplier I would get a hold of some Dilaudid tablets or oxycontin's and I would shoot 20 mg of Dilaudid IV and still be in heroin withdrawal and then shoot another 10 or 15 mg IV on top of that maybe two minutes later because I didn't feel the rush initially and after that still would be able draw compared to the term G they got me high as a kite before. Same with Oxycontin I never shot it but taking it orally I could take 3 60mg tablets crushed-up and still be in withdrawal whereas a lot of people if not most people might overdose on a single 60 mg.
..... believe me if I could have gotten away with taking less I absolutely would have it would have saved me a hell of a lot of money. I literally could be bought a condo in cash.. Paid off for what I blew on heroin. And all of it was funded with steroids sales. So I get to sit here and think about all that money that I could have reinvested in my business and all the prophets I lost I sat in rehab doing the math and the money that I spent on heroin if I would have reinvested it in my business I would have grossed between 800 and 1.2 million dollars. That's a bitter pill to swallow.
*Edit.. typed all that or whatever using voice text sitting in a hot car and a parking lot and I didn't bother to spell check your grammar check any of that shit so that's that... Walking in the grocery store now so probably not going to spell check this either but I just remembered while driving over here listening to a Joe Rogan podcast that I forgot a few things
Ultram/tramadol, Temgesic/Stadol ( buprenorphine yeah give ingredients in Suboxone and Subutex& Zubsolv sp?..& Torbugesic, & Darvocet.
Ultram is a synthetic opiate Agonist antagonist like nubain. It's actually one of the things I used to get off of nubain. If you don't have an opiate tolerance if you take some it'll give you a sedating feeling like a mild opiate warm-and-fuzzy content feeling. Had about 50 to 100 mg. And doses over 200 mg or 800mg total in a day to run the risk of having seizures because the shit works on something like 10 - 14 or 11 or whatever areas of the brain .being an SSRI being one of them. For a long long time it was marketed as being non-addictive and usable by people with prior opiate addictions and that should definitely isn't true period in the rankings last I drank it below Vicodin and maybe below or possibly equal to codeine actually probably a drink and Below coating come to think of it. Its a motherfuckernto come off because it has not only the opiate withdrawal you have to deal with but also the withdrawal from the other areas of the brain that works on such as serotonin and norepinephrine and whatnot. So with the withdrawal you get the so-called brain zaps which are kind of hard to explain. I got them with nubain as well and then on occasion when trying to kick heroin. It's sort of like 70 hits a light switch in your brain and turns it off and turns it right back on quick. Like you are beginning to collapse straight down for a split second and then you snap back into it with like a zapping Feeling. Like I said it's hard to explain and that's just one of the withdrawal symptoms that's coming with antidepressants withdrawal especially with things like Celexa and Effexor and I believe Cymbalta.
Temgesic is buprenorphine the same shit Suboxone and Subutex is. Also a opiate Agonist antagonist. Back before Suboxone was being prescribed or even on the market for heroin withdrawal I was doing my research and figuring out how to come off of nubain and figured out that I could use to music to occupy the opiate receptor but not actually have the feeling so I wouldn't get sick or as sick. That was in late 2001 and early-to-mid 2002. I firstnbecame a war of suboxone about a year after if used Temgesic to kick, about late 03. Reading about it in rolling stone or Time magazine. Was pretty proud of myself figuring out how it could benusednto kick before it was brought to trials. Lol. Back then before kicking nubain I would actually use Temgesic along with nubain because thenfeeling is very similar. However the doses used then are much much lower than suboxone. If do 1/4-1/2cc shots if of either .1mg/1cc or .2mg/cc I forget the potency, but well below the 8-32MG per day of suboxone used these days. It gives an ok feeling like nubain at LOW doses if you have a very lowntolerance and zero opiate in your bloodstream.(if there's opiates in your bloodstream you'll experience what's called Precipitated Withdrawal.. Which is opiate withdrawal x10.. Fucken horrible).. At higher doses you get no high .but can still od, especially with benzos in yer blood.
Darvocet is below codeine. Garbage. Makesnyou sick. And constpitated. I thinkntjey actually pulled it from the market.
Torbugesis is also an opiate agonist/antagonists. Kinda proud to have brought that one to market back in 01 when Nubain dried up lol. Its a veterinary drug in Mexico. Similarnto bain but gives a metal if taste/feeling in her mouth and a ringing in her ears.
Phonesngonnandie 2% n can't see my screen. Ill fixnit later. Spelling n shit
This post is spot on.
Well done, minus the Siri talk to speech typos.
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Excellent - thanks for posting that - very enjoyable.
Makes me grateful I have to go out to work and act vaguely normal, otherwise, who knows...... ;) ;D
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Excellent - thanks for posting that - very enjoyable.
Makes me grateful I have to go out to work and act vaguely normal, otherwise, who knows...... ;) ;D
Dude a mess later on in life. Complete drunkard. I'll see if I can find his Conan Indian appearance
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This Jamaal fella finally cash it in?
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This Jamaal fella finally stop using this gimmick?
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Cross post (I posted this in the Tom Petty thread, but wanted to drop it here too...) - and sorry for the bump bit didn't want to start yet another opiates thread and this was the most recent one I could find...
Self-quote:
Quite the death stack... 3 types of fentanyl! I didn't even know they existed. Also note the use of 'doctors' plural - is it likely one physician would prescribe all of these? Or was Tom possibly shopping around...?
"Tom Petty's autopsy results are in, and they show the singer died from an accidental drug overdose as a result of taking a variety of medications.
The L.A. County Coroner says a number of Tom's organs failed due to "mixed drug toxicity."
Tom's autopsy report shows the singer was on several pain meds, including Fentanyl patches, oxycodone (Oxycontin), temazepam (Restoril), alprazolam (Xanax), citalopram (Celexa), acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl. The reason doctors prescribed the meds was because of a number of medical problems, including emphysema, knee problems and a fractured hip."
http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/ (http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/)
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Cross post (I posted this in the Tom Petty thread, but wanted to drop it here too...) - and sorry for the bump bit didn't want to start yet another opiates thread and this was the most recent one I could find...
Self-quote:
Quite the death stack... 3 types of fentanyl! I didn't even know they existed. Also note the use of 'doctors' plural - is it likely one physician would prescribe all of these? Or was Tom possibly shopping around...?
"Tom Petty's autopsy results are in, and they show the singer died from an accidental drug overdose as a result of taking a variety of medications.
The L.A. County Coroner says a number of Tom's organs failed due to "mixed drug toxicity."
Tom's autopsy report shows the singer was on several pain meds, including Fentanyl patches, oxycodone (Oxycontin), temazepam (Restoril), alprazolam (Xanax), citalopram (Celexa), acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl. The reason doctors prescribed the meds was because of a number of medical problems, including emphysema, knee problems and a fractured hip."
http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/ (http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/)
Didn't read the tom petty thread yet and having seen the tox-screen, but I'd venture to guess he got the acetyl fentanyl and despropionylfentanyl from dealers, not doctors.
When "regular" fentanyl got popular and harder to get, companies in China began producing different forms of it that weren't scheduled yet and could be imported "legally" til the govt caught on (like if morphine sulphate was illegal and you imported/possessed morphine hydrochloride instead).
I'm sure tom petty is no stranger to heroin, and the other 2 fentanyl were likely either what he thought was "china white" powder heroin, or he bought extra "black market" oxycodone that was fentanyl.
It's hard to measure fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me 600mcg after my 1st hip surgery, enough to very possibly kill 3 people or get 6 people high & nodding off lol... Itd be hard even for me to eyeball a 500mcg/half-mg dose, & my (or anybody's) scales may not accurately measure the doses.
fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me:hhh;hh;jjjh
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Why would you do this? Its a workday tomorrow. You dont work on mondays?
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Cross post (I posted this in the Tom Petty thread, but wanted to drop it here too...) - and sorry for the bump bit didn't want to start yet another opiates thread and this was the most recent one I could find...
Self-quote:
Quite the death stack... 3 types of fentanyl! I didn't even know they existed. Also note the use of 'doctors' plural - is it likely one physician would prescribe all of these? Or was Tom possibly shopping around...?
"Tom Petty's autopsy results are in, and they show the singer died from an accidental drug overdose as a result of taking a variety of medications.
The L.A. County Coroner says a number of Tom's organs failed due to "mixed drug toxicity."
Tom's autopsy report shows the singer was on several pain meds, including Fentanyl patches, oxycodone (Oxycontin), temazepam (Restoril), alprazolam (Xanax), citalopram (Celexa), acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl. The reason doctors prescribed the meds was because of a number of medical problems, including emphysema, knee problems and a fractured hip."
http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/ (http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose/)
In dutchland these kind meds are not easy prescriped.
Oxy only if you have terminal cancer.
How about the UK?
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Didn't read the tom petty thread yet and having seen the tox-screen, but I'd venture to guess he got the acetyl fentanyl and despropionylfentanyl from dealers, not doctors.
When "regular" fentanyl got popular and harder to get, companies in China began producing different forms of it that weren't scheduled yet and could be imported "legally" til the govt caught on (like if morphine sulphate was illegal and you imported/possessed morphine hydrochloride instead).
I'm sure tom petty is no stranger to heroin, and the other 2 fentanyl were likely either what he thought was "china white" powder heroin, or he bought extra "black market" oxycodone that was fentanyl.
It's hard to measure fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me 600mcg after my 1st hip surgery, enough to very possibly kill 3 people or get 6 people high & nodding off lol... Itd be hard even for me to eyeball a 500mcg/half-mg dose, & my (or anybody's) scales may not accurately measure the doses.
fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me:hhh;hh;jjjh
Damn. I'm scared to death to get some Equipoise, just to run 100 mgs a week, cause Black market is full of garbage, and I'm almost 40 yo, and Tom Petty at 66 was a walking pharmacy :(
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In dutchland these kind meds are not easy prescriped.
Oxy only if you have terminal cancer.
How about the UK?
Don't know, never tried - if I need something 'strong' for an injury I'd go as far as codeine. Tramadol is OK for pain reduction but gives me a weird buzzy feeling so I'd rather not use that one. As for fentanyl, etc. UK hospitals probably use this sort of thing, but I've never heard of people in the UK taking things like oxy/hydrocodone for fun - pretty sure that's a US thing. Although I bet I'm 100% wrong now I've said it so am off for a quick Google...
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Didn't read the tom petty thread yet and having seen the tox-screen, but I'd venture to guess he got the acetyl fentanyl and despropionylfentanyl from dealers, not doctors.
When "regular" fentanyl got popular and harder to get, companies in China began producing different forms of it that weren't scheduled yet and could be imported "legally" til the govt caught on (like if morphine sulphate was illegal and you imported/possessed morphine hydrochloride instead).
I'm sure tom petty is no stranger to heroin, and the other 2 fentanyl were likely either what he thought was "china white" powder heroin, or he bought extra "black market" oxycodone that was fentanyl.
It's hard to measure fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me 600mcg after my 1st hip surgery, enough to very possibly kill 3 people or get 6 people high & nodding off lol... Itd be hard even for me to eyeball a 500mcg/half-mg dose, & my (or anybody's) scales may not accurately measure the doses.
fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me fentanyl doses, as its measured in mcg's, not mg's. Dosing for post-op pain is .5-1.5mg/kg ..220lb bber would get 50-150mcg. They gave me:hhh;hh;jjjh
Wow - is it even possible for a dealer to cut things that need to be measured in mcg? Surely that needs something like a gas chromatograph to get it right? Even if they don't care about killing someone, they surely don't want to throw product away? Or is it just dirt cheap maybe?
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Tramadol is weird, it can cause serotonin syndrome so you can't take too much of it at once. Lots of countries have codeine as an OTC medication but the US doesn't, so people resort to whatever they can abuse. You can put all of the restrictions and roadblocks on it you want, people will find a way to get high... When they reformulated/restricted oxycontin to be "Tamper proof" in 2010 a huge number of people simply went to heroin. I think that is why we have the "opioid epidemic" now. That bubble of users are dropping like flies from the stronger stuff that is suddenly floating around out there.
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I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.
Only an idiot would brag about it !!
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Natural selection.
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Don't know, never tried - if I need something 'strong' for an injury I'd go as far as codeine. Tramadol is OK for pain reduction but gives me a weird buzzy feeling so I'd rather not use that one. As for fentanyl, etc. UK hospitals probably use this sort of thing, but I've never heard of people in the UK taking things like oxy/hydrocodone for fun - pretty sure that's a US thing. Although I bet I'm 100% wrong now I've said it so am off for a quick Google...
I have no such desire also. I just wondered. Must be a usa thing indeed. It must be easy to get large quantity of them there painpilzz because how else can you abuse it? Alprozelam is prescriped here ofcourse but in tiny tiny amounts so you can never stash up on those meds. But that oxystuff? Only if you are dying.
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Why not just take a few shots of vodka here and there and be done with it
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I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.
Only an idiot would brag about it !!
Ill take that bet lol
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Why not just take a few shots of vodka here and there and be done with it
Of all the shit I've done, alcohol comma vodka in particular comma has caused me the most trouble by far. Physically emotionally legally and financially. And that's including the $80,000 I spent on heroin in a 15-month span. People like me use drugs and alcohol to self-medicate, not to party and get high and feel good. And in doing so drinking alcohol and taking doses throughout the day as you would with a medication like a benzo / Xanax, you build up a tolerance and a physical dependence. And you end up needing to use it just so you don't go into withdrawal comma physical withdrawal including seizures and such baby can you reach back and grab that bag so there's nothing fun about using, or drink Aang that garbage here baby hit the quote thing hit post
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Tramadol is weird, it can cause serotonin syndrome so you can't take too much of it at once. Lots of countries have codeine as an OTC medication but the US doesn't, so people resort to whatever they can abuse. You can put all of the restrictions and roadblocks on it you want, people will find a way to get high... When they reformulated/restricted oxycontin to be "Tamper proof" in 2010 a huge number of people simply went to heroin. I think that is why we have the "opioid epidemic" now. That bubble of users are dropping like flies from the stronger stuff that is suddenly floating around out there.
Which is exactly why I went to heroin. I have been clean from opiates since 2001 when I had a shoulder back neck injury, also found Out i had degenerative disc disease in my neck and degenerated discs from c4-c7 comma in 2012/2013 and was prescribed Tramadol (I'd declined Oxycodone slash Percocet, Vicodin, and tylenol3 codeine from the doctor). I agreed to the Tramadol believing it was non addictive because that's what I used to detox myself from nubain in 2001. Doctor prescribed eight tablets per day, however after a while I was not liking side effects and out of fear of serotonin syndrome I weaned myself down to 3 tablets per day. Like I said before 3, maybe 4 tablets per day 150 mg total was the lowest dose I could get to without going into withdrawal. Even 2.5 tablets would put me in withdrawal. Since Tramadol at the time wasn't a scheduled drug or whatever I accepted it that was something I would just have to live with since it wasn't a difficult drug to get in case I ran out too soon or whatever. I could get 180 tablets every 3weeks and i could order online and have it delivered Next Day Air (cash-on-delivery/C.O.D. even first & only thing I've ever bought "COD" btw lol)... Then the gov't scheduled it and required a doctor visit for every refill and limited how much and how often you could get. After a while my stockpile ran out and I had to go to the doctor for a refill and he wrote the script for 3 tabs per day but only enough for 3 weeks (I've talked about this here before), and the next available appointment for a refill wasn't for another 4 or maybe 5 weeks (I forget). Just dumb luck day one or two of withdrawal a client happened to have Dilaudid which help me over for a month.. Long story short, I switched to heroin.. Believing it would be much stronger and I would #1, get more "bang for the buck", & #2 have be much easier to get. Since I wouldn't have to rely on finding people with pain killer prescriptions and being first in line to buy their supply
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Wow - is it even possible for a dealer to cut things that need to be measured in mcg? Surely that needs something like a gas chromatograph to get it right? Even if they don't care about killing someone, they surely don't want to throw product away? Or is it just dirt cheap maybe?
Yea, it's possible to cut or mix Fentanyl in with inert powder and make "China White" so long as the person doing it is experienced and has accurate equipment. I would trust myself to do it however I have no desire to, but I'm not sure that I would trust anyone else to do it for me. You have to get the proper ratios down and be sure to mix it thoroughly. And bye thoroughly I mean using methods that are much more involved then mixing something such as say methyltrienolone at 5mg/ml, then diluting it downTo 500mcg/ml, or even 100mcg/ml for a final product, since that product would remain liquid and not evaporated (not to mention an extra 100 micrograms or even 500 micrograms won't kill you within 10 minutes).. You'd need to mix the fentanyl ( or carfentanil or methylfentanyl or what ever analog it is) with the powder in liquid little by little while stirring and evaporate it while stirring so the shit doeant settle and form concentrated clumps where you have one "scoop" with 300mcg/1000mg and one with 500mcg/1000mg or whatever. Could be the difference between nodding out and nodding out and stopping breathing
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I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.
Only an idiot would brag about it !!
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What's the best route?
Generally speaking...
Opiates + Alcohol = ok
Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok
Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warning
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I think I responded to this thread already - but none of these three depressants should really be mixed.
I would suggest putting at least three days between any sort of "fun". It makes it more worthwhile when you actually do it. I was in a relationship with a woman once. As I may have stated before, I am not a particularly sexual person. I told her that I would be willing to have sex with her once weekly, as for me once monthly is fine. Some time down there road she told me that she was more satisfied having sex with me than with her previous boyfriend because he would attempt to have sex with her on a daily basis, if not multiple times daily. She said that effectively took the fun out of it. This is true with most things.
I would say that if you are going to do opiates [I call them "free ones" because I once had a prescription, and my friend falsely thought I gave a free one to a separate friend, and then himself asked if I could give him a free one. ;D], put space between days. That way your receptors stay "fresh".
I do believe in there concept of receptors burnout - doesn't it make sense that the more we use *anything*, the more used/worn it gets, and the less efficiently it operates? In opiates terms, this means that if you put space between dates of consumption, you will also be "virginal" to the use, and get the full effect. Why over use something, only to spend ridiculous amounts of money to chase a smaller effect?
A friend of mine did coke and opiates, and said that the only effect was nothing - as each drug cancelled out the effects of the other. ;D. In other cases, certain things will potentiate a particular drug - for opiates, grapefruits are said to do that. Although individual results vary.
Another friend of mine said that he did 3x Anadrol 50 tablets, and all that happened was he got more side effects. He stated that 2x daily Anadrol 50 tablets was the sweet spot - beyond which, he sustained nothing but more sides. What's the point of that?
They say "Just say no to drugs", but I say "I want more information than that". I want my friends to enjoy their lives, and should they drink alcohol or use drugs - to do so responsibly, and get as much information as possible before proceeding. That is why threads like this are important.
Anyway, I have derailed the topic here, so let me say again what I opened this post with - none of these three drugs should be mixed. If you are going to combine these, please do so in the company of someone you trust, and who will be able to contact medical attention, if needed. And do not state on the phone that drugs were involved. Yet another friend told me that if you call the police and state that drugs were involved, the police will show up. To me, that is awful. A drug overdose is a medical issue, not a criminal matter. It makes me wonder how many people have died by not calling 911 out of fear they would be slapped with a drug charge.
Consider that doctors have been through years of education to learn precisely how to combined opiates with benzodiazepines. So this combination is one that should be taken seriously - and more appropriately, outright avoided. But since people are going to do it anyway, I may as well tell them to do so in the company of a person [or people] who cares about safety and well-being, and who is responsible enough to contact the proper medical authorities if necessary.
Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines SHOULD NOT COMBINED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
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I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.
Only an idiot would brag about it !!
you are bragging about it lol I doubt you have though there some fucked up people on here let me be tell you that
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I think I responded to this thread already - but none of these three depressants should really be mixed.
I would suggest putting at least three days between any sort of "fun". It makes it more worthwhile when you actually do it. I was in a relationship with a woman once. As I may have stated before, I am not a particularly sexual person. I told her that I would be willing to have sex with her once weekly, as for me once monthly is fine. Some time down there road she told me that she was more satisfied having sex with me than with her previous boyfriend because he would attempt to have sex with her on a daily basis, if not multiple times daily. She said that effectively took the fun out of it. This is true with most things.
I would say that if you are going to do opiates [I call them "free ones" because I once had a prescription, and my friend falsely thought I gave a free one to a separate friend, and then himself asked if I could give him a free one. ;D], put space between days. That way your receptors stay "fresh".
I do believe in there concept of receptors burnout - doesn't it make sense that the more we use *anything*, the more used/worn it gets, and the less efficiently it operates? In opiates terms, this means that if you put space between dates of consumption, you will also be "virginal" to the use, and get the full effect. Why over use something, only to spend ridiculous amounts of money to chase a smaller effect?
A friend of mine did coke and opiates, and said that the only effect was nothing - as each drug cancelled out the effects of the other. ;D. In other cases, certain things will potentiate a particular drug - for opiates, grapefruits are said to do that. Although individual results vary.
Another friend of mine said that he did 3x Anadrol 50 tablets, and all that happened was he got more side effects. He stated that 2x daily Anadrol 50 tablets was the sweet spot - beyond which, he sustained nothing but more sides. What's the point of that?
They say "Just say no to drugs", but I say "I want more information than that". I want my friends to enjoy their lives, and should they drink alcohol or use drugs - to do so responsibly, and get as much information as possible before proceeding. That is why threads like this are important.
Anyway, I have derailed the topic here, so let me say again what I opened this post with - none of these three drugs should be mixed. If you are going to combine these, please do so in the company of someone you trust, and who will be able to contact medical attention, if needed. And do not state on the phone that drugs were involved. Yet another friend told me that if you call the police and state that drugs were involved, the police will show up. To me, that is awful. A drug overdose is a medical issue, not a criminal matter. It makes me wonder how many people have died by not calling 911 out of fear they would be slapped with a drug charge.
Consider that doctors have been through years of education to learn precisely how to combined opiates with benzodiazepines. So this combination is one that should be taken seriously - and more appropriately, outright avoided. But since people are going to do it anyway, I may as well tell them to do so in the company of a person [or people] who cares about safety and well-being, and who is responsible enough to contact the proper medical authorities if necessary.
Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines SHOULD NOT COMBINED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
What? You're only "willing" to fuck her once a week???
And coke (or any stimulant) and opiates don't "cancel each other out". Coke will still cause a dopamine high and opiates will still work on opioid receptors. Usually the stim will over power the opiate however. Usually the stimulant will keep you awake to enjoy the opiate, such as with ephederine and nubain.
Alcohol and benzos will usually result in a blackout.
If you have benzos in your system then do a shot of opiate, chances of "falling out" (actually collapsing) increase. Never happened to me however. I'd rather take the benzos after the opiate and I would be able to wait longer before my next opiate dose.
When taking my first vicodin, it was explained(by a guy used to post here, who you all know.. you also gave me the Vicodin... who was also a huge Coke head in the 80s and 90s) to me that they felt better if you took 2 along with a can of Guinness beer to really "get the full effect". It was over a year till I would even drink my first beer at the time and about two years until I took my next Vicodin (started nubain soon after that Vicodin) no a
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Which is exactly why I went to heroin. I have been clean from opiates since 2001 when I had a shoulder back neck injury, also found Out i had degenerative disc disease in my neck and degenerated discs from c4-c7 comma in 2012/2013 and was prescribed Tramadol (I'd declined Oxycodone slash Percocet, Vicodin, and tylenol3 codeine from the doctor). I agreed to the Tramadol believing it was non addictive because that's what I used to detox myself from nubain in 2001. Doctor prescribed eight tablets per day, however after a while I was not liking side effects and out of fear of serotonin syndrome I weaned myself down to 3 tablets per day. Like I said before 3, maybe 4 tablets per day 150 mg total was the lowest dose I could get to without going into withdrawal. Even 2.5 tablets would put me in withdrawal. Since Tramadol at the time wasn't a scheduled drug or whatever I accepted it that was something I would just have to live with since it wasn't a difficult drug to get in case I ran out too soon or whatever. I could get 180 tablets every 3weeks and i could order online and have it delivered Next Day Air (cash-on-delivery/C.O.D. even first & only thing I've ever bought "COD" btw lol)... Then the gov't scheduled it and required a doctor visit for every refill and limited how much and how often you could get. After a while my stockpile ran out and I had to go to the doctor for a refill and he wrote the script for 3 tabs per day but only enough for 3 weeks (I've talked about this here before), and the next available appointment for a refill wasn't for another 4 or maybe 5 weeks (I forget). Just dumb luck day one or two of withdrawal a client happened to have Dilaudid which help me over for a month.. Long story short, I switched to heroin.. Believing it would be much stronger and I would #1, get more "bang for the buck", & #2 have be much easier to get. Since I wouldn't have to rely on finding people with pain killer prescriptions and being first in line to buy their supply
Yup. Miss those old green OC 80s to this day... "green monsters."
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Yup. Miss those old green OC 80s to this day... "green monsters."
One of the reasons I like this place is the random things I hear that I had no clue about before - case in point: 'green OC 80s'. A quick Google found me this very interesting historical (10yrs old) article. First observation: sounds hella expensive dude!?!?
And as for the articles author, obviously a 'user' likes to think the whole world uses, but it's still kinda interesting. And I enjoy these threads because I think that given another path in life I might have gone this way - although many on here decry the whole wife & kids scenario, it certainly stops you from partaking in all of this stuff - I mean, who needs a f**ked up husband and Dad?
"OC-80, the Valley's drug of choice
Heard of OC-80? It's the Valley's next big drug, the strongest dose available of OxyContin — the same pain pills that got Rush Limbaugh hooked. A Valleywag informant who's a recovering OC-80 user himself says addicts are easy to spot: They're the ones who keep rushing to the front desk, asking if the FedEx deliveries have arrived yet. That's because the pills which get here are most frequently overnighted from L.A., where doctors are more willing to skirt the law and write prescriptions. It's expensive, and therefore deemed classy: People pay $70 a pill retail, $40 in bulk. Not that you're going to look especially swank while you scrape off the green coating, crush it, and snort it. Here's our tipster's tale of the real OC.
Why don't you publish more stories about the drug culture in the Valley? You do know that everyone who's anyone is on drugs. Mostly OC-80 pain killers, since they are the expensive $40/pill drug and much better than cocaine. Haven't you seen what goes on at parties? I don't know how to explain it as a previous addict (I haven't had pills in 6+ months), but you can spot everyone else like you a mile away, and even now my conversations turn to drugs.
I recently did contract work for a company and the last person I interviewed with and I knew a common person, suddenly we made a drug joke, and pretty soon we both were on the same page, it's like a secret club, and I got the contract.
You have no idea (or maybe you do) the amount of prescription painkillers flowing in Silicon Valley. If you think that Hollywood has drug problems, the Valley is way, way worse. It's just that people keep it much more secret.
I can't even remember all the times I've been at some of the top 10 companies in the valley snorting OC with somebody who's on the board of a big company. It's sad really, I don't know how to explain it. After having spent two years addicted to OC and spending $100k+ and being a well functioning addict, I feel sorry for people who are on pills. It just makes me crazy somedays to know that everyone says drugs are bad, but EVERYONE who runs the world is on them...."
http://gawker.com/336496/oc-80-the-valleys-drug-of-choice (http://gawker.com/336496/oc-80-the-valleys-drug-of-choice)
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I was prescribed dark green oxy CR (continuous release) 80s after my surgery in Aug. (Along oxycodone IR (instant release) 30's. the 80s were made up of shit that prevents them from being crushed and disolved.
Funny thing about oxycodone is that the oral bioavailability is higher than if snorted and there's no "rush" like with diluadid or heroin.
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Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.
Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise
Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.
Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.
Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.
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Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.
Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.
Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.
i have a buddy on dones and bars alot.....makes sense what you said
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Ill take that bet lol
It would be a close one dude!! LOL :D
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Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.
Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise
Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.
Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.
Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.
Junkies know more about getting high than doctors, why is this surprising to you? Lots of "tricks" that can only be learned from experience - not taught in school.
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Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.
Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise
Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.
Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.
Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.
Wrong.
You assume because you don't understand pharmacokinetics and your other substance abusing cohorts don't understand pharmacokinetics either, that certainly nobody here could.
One thing I don't do, and never have, is talk out of my ass. Not in my day today "real life", and not here. That's something you learn in prison. Anything you say can and will be verified by somebody else so if you're talking out of your ass, you're going to get cold on it pretty quick so you better be damn sure what you're talking about before you start talking about it.
I have dedicated my life to understanding the human body, how it works, pertaining to this thread that includes how "drugs" in general, affect a human body. Obviously steroids and hormones, and other performance enhancing and cosmetic enhancing drugs, but also things such as painkillers opiates of all forms, stimulants both recreational and performance-enhancing, antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-anxiety an anti-Whatever and Whatever-reuptake inhibitors... everything that I would possibly use or be prescribed, AND anything that any of my clients wood be using or prescribed, and I would have to work with or work around. As a trainer I have always viewed it as an asset to have as much knowledge as possible regarding anyting a client maybe using. Not just chemicals, hormones, "drugs", whatever, that I myself maybe using.
Pharmacology and pharmacokinetics, and pharmaceutical science has always fascinated me. I scour thrift stores for old textbooks on the subjects, and for "fun", would rather read something like Bentleys Textbook on Pharmaceutical Science or Greys Anatomy than FLEX magazine or play Xbox. I have always wanted to understand how the body and mind works and understand how it can be manipulated and affected by the things we put in it. I don't get how some people can go to the doctor get a prescription and blindly take drugs without knowing what they are, what they do, and how they do it.
So I'm curious, since I assume your post is partly, if not largely directed towards me since I was a large contributor in this thread, where I'm "talking out of my ass" and what I've said that is incorrect.
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Wrong.
You assume because you don't understand pharmacokinetics and your other substance abusing cohorts don't understand pharmacokinetics either, that certainly nobody here could.
One thing I don't do, and never have, is talk out of my ass. Not in my day today "real life", and not here. That's something you learn in prison. Anything you say can and will be verified by somebody else so if you're talking out of your ass, you're going to get cold on it pretty quick so you better be damn sure what you're talking about before you start talking about it.
I have dedicated my life to understanding the human body, how it works, pertaining to this thread that includes how "drugs" in general, affect a human body. Obviously steroids and hormones, and other performance enhancing and cosmetic enhancing drugs, but also things such as painkillers opiates of all forms, stimulants both recreational and performance-enhancing, antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-anxiety an anti-Whatever and Whatever-reuptake inhibitors... everything that I would possibly use or be prescribed, AND anything that any of my clients wood be using or prescribed, and I would have to work with or work around. As a trainer I have always viewed it as an asset to have as much knowledge as possible regarding anyting a client maybe using. Not just chemicals, hormones, "drugs", whatever, that I myself maybe using.
Pharmacology and pharmacokinetics, and pharmaceutical science has always fascinated me. I scour thrift stores for old textbooks on the subjects, and for "fun", would rather read something like Bentleys Textbook on Pharmaceutical Science or Greys Anatomy than FLEX magazine or play Xbox. I have always wanted to understand how the body and mind works and understand how it can be manipulated and affected by the things we put in it. I don't get how some people can go to the doctor get a prescription and blindly take drugs without knowing what they are, what they do, and how they do it.
So I'm curious, since I assume your post is partly, if not largely directed towards me since I was a large contributor in this thread, where I'm "talking out of my ass" and what I've said that is incorrect.
Sorry you are talking out of your ass. You act like you have a medical degree and you don't.
If anything you should be serving as a cautionary tale of being a former fuck up on drugs, nothing more or less.
You are an addict, whether sober or not an addict. Nothing more so stop with the "expertise", you have the letters CPT on your business card, Not MD lol.
You are no smarter than me or my so called cohorts, just like us a bunch of arrests, dui's, rehab and hospital visits. The only reason you never ended up homeless was because your parents most likely covered your ass. Stop deluding yourself.
I mean this with all sincerity. From my experience all the so called too smart for their own good addicts and alcoholics ended up in the ground. That is one thing that almost killed me many times as well so I can smell my own.
At least wes and I have some common sense
Anyways how to's etc of recreational drug talk is supposed to be not on here, at least one thing I agree with Gh15 about
and stop bragging about prison, it makes you look like white trash
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Junkies know more about getting high than doctors, why is this surprising to you? Lots of "tricks" that can only be learned from experience - not taught in school.
Agreed junkies know way more about Narcotics doctors only know the few paragraphs they read in some book.
My doctor gave me lyrica for neck pain. I asked him if it would get my high or become addicting. Idiot said absolutely not. After a 5 minute Google search turns out too be heavily abused a bitch too come off of.
Same doctor doesn't believe suboxone can't be snorted because it has naloxone.
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lyrica is very abuseable. nasty withdrawal too
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wonder what became of Jamaal? sounds like he was a top bloke
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lyrica is very abuseable. nasty withdrawal too
A lot of Doctors are clueless. I work in the medical field I see it every day. 8 year olds being prescribed klonopin, adderall, along with 2-3 other meds. I have a serious distrust of Doctors.
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I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.
How'd you turn it around, Wes? If you don't mind sharing, was there some "bottom" for you?
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Kids are desperate and inventive nowadays. Two I've heard about more than once:
Dextromethorphan, which is in Robitussin. They have a lot of these restricted now, need to be 18 to purchase. Kids down half a bottle or more and apparently its like ketamine or PCP. Lots of weird disassociation and such. Call it "Robo tripping."
The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.
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The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.
Is that still available? Author Jack Kerouac said he used benzedrine coffee to write On The Road in three days. This was in 1957!
In my town a few years ago during a city festival kids were hospitalized after drinking soap from port-a-potties... it contained gbl! :D
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"Propylhexedrine is most commonly found in over-the-counter Benzedrex inhalers. Benzedrex was first manufactured by Smith, Kline and French after the Benzedrine inhaler, which contained racemic amphetamine, became unavailable following the placement of amphetamines on the US Schedule II status".
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"Propylhexedrine is most commonly found in over-the-counter Benzedrex inhalers. Benzedrex was first manufactured by Smith, Kline and French after the Benzedrine inhaler, which contained racemic amphetamine, became unavailable following the placement of amphetamines on the US Schedule II status".
The authorities hate people having fun :D
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The authorities hate people having fun :D
It seems like it would have potential, but I've heard lots of bad experiences... very vasoconstrictive without a very sustained come-up. Just gives mainly peripheral effects:
"It is an analogue of methamphetamine that is used medicinally for relief of congestion due to colds, allergies and allergic rhinitis and recreationally for its euphoric effects. The effects are similar to those of methamphetamine while the duration of propylhexedrine is much shorter than that of methamphetamine. Propylhexedrine differs from methamphetamine only in that it has a saturated cyclohexane ring where methamphetamine has a phenyl ring."
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Sorry you are talking out of your ass. You act like you have a medical degree and you don't.
If anything you should be serving as a cautionary tale of being a former fuck up on drugs, nothing more or less.
You are an addict, whether sober or not an addict. Nothing more so stop with the "expertise", you have the letters CPT on your business card, Not MD lol.
You are no smarter than me or my so called cohorts, just like us a bunch of arrests, dui's, rehab and hospital visits. The only reason you never ended up homeless was because your parents most likely covered your ass. Stop deluding yourself.
I mean this with all sincerity. From my experience all the so called too smart for their own good addicts and alcoholics ended up in the ground. That is one thing that almost killed me many times as well so I can smell my own.
At least wes and I have some common sense
Anyways how to's etc of recreational drug talk is supposed to be not on here, at least one thing I agree with Gh15 about
and stop bragging about prison, it makes you look like white trash
Listen you dumb fuck I told you to fucking show me, show everybody here where I am wrong. "Talking out of your ass" means I don't know what I'm talking about and what I'm saying is incorrect so you dumb fucking drunk, show us where I'm incorrect.
And show me where I'm "acting" like I'm a medical doctor like I have a medical degree. You stupid motherfuckr you think you need a medical degree to know the maximum recommended dosage of Tylenol? Or you need a fucking medical degree to know that Tylenol can cause liver damage?
Nope.
You're the stereotypical ex-junkie ex-drunk who believes every other x junkie and x drunk is just like you.
I'm "no smarter than you"? Hate to break it to you moron, but when it comes to this shit I am, "smarter than you".
You're the type of person who blindly accepts whatever the doctor tella you, as you should, because you're just plain stupid and uneducated uninformed when it comes to a lot of things. So people like you when they blindly take the medication doctor recommends that causes heart failure erectile dysfunction in sudden-death, you deserve it. All of it.
Me? I want to know what's going into my body and how it works. And I happen to understand the shit I read.
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Is that still available? Author Jack Kerouac said he used benzedrine coffee to write On The Road in three days. This was in 1957!
In my town a few years ago during a city festival kids were hospitalized after drinking soap from port-a-potties... it contained gbl! :D
They're still on the market far as I know. They contain Propyl-hexedrine now (or poly hexedrine? I forget). People spill break them open and cut up the little sponge thing inside the soaked in the chemical and eat it.
Benzedrine I believe is where slang "benny's" came from that baseball players used to use. Just another stim like "dexedrine" dextroamphetamine that was sold as "diet pills". (Where "dex-a-trim" got the name from).
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It seems like it would have potential, but I've heard lots of bad experiences... very vasoconstrictive without a very sustained come-up. Just gives mainly peripheral effects:
"It is an analogue of methamphetamine that is used medicinally for relief of congestion due to colds, allergies and allergic rhinitis and recreationally for its euphoric effects. The effects are similar to those of methamphetamine while the duration of propylhexedrine is much shorter than that of methamphetamine. Propylhexedrine differs from methamphetamine only in that it has a saturated cyclohexane ring where methamphetamine has a phenyl ring."
I mean that they switched out the benzedrine for this other shit :D If it was any good it wouldn't be in inhalers today.
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Agreed junkies know way more about Narcotics doctors only know the few paragraphs they read in some book.
My doctor gave me lyrica for neck pain. I asked him if it would get my high or become addicting. Idiot said absolutely not. After a 5 minute Google search turns out too be heavily abused a bitch too come off of.
Same doctor doesn't believe suboxone can't be snorted because it has naloxone.
Wow that's really surprising, if only for the fact that Lyrica/pregabalin is a scheduled drug meaning that the FDA recognizes that it is addictive and/or has potential for abuse. This means your doctor would have had to write the Rx in a special way, no excuse for him not knowing
I feel like most doctors are pretty good, but there are definitely some bad ones but that's like any profession. They're all human, too
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I feel like most doctors are pretty good, but there are definitely some bad ones but that's like any profession. They're all human, too
set a good person into a dark system and most of the time they fall in line.
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Yea, it's possible to cut or mix Fentanyl in with inert powder and make "China White" so long as the person doing it is experienced and has accurate equipment. I would trust myself to do it however I have no desire to, but I'm not sure that I would trust anyone else to do it for me. You have to get the proper ratios down and be sure to mix it thoroughly. And bye thoroughly I mean using methods that are much more involved then mixing something such as say methyltrienolone at 5mg/ml, then diluting it downTo 500mcg/ml, or even 100mcg/ml for a final product, since that product would remain liquid and not evaporated (not to mention an extra 100 micrograms or even 500 micrograms won't kill you within 10 minutes).. You'd need to mix the fentanyl ( or carfentanil or methylfentanyl or what ever analog it is) with the powder in liquid little by little while stirring and evaporate it while stirring so the shit doeant settle and form concentrated clumps where you have one "scoop" with 300mcg/1000mg and one with 500mcg/1000mg or whatever. Could be the difference between nodding out and nodding out and stopping breathing
While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means? I mean, not you doing the work..? No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon ;D ;)
And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...? And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.
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How'd you turn it around, Wes? If you don't mind sharing, was there some "bottom" for you?
I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.
Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit it saved my life.
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Kids are desperate and inventive nowadays. Two I've heard about more than once:
Dextromethorphan, which is in Robitussin. They have a lot of these restricted now, need to be 18 to purchase. Kids down half a bottle or more and apparently its like ketamine or PCP. Lots of weird disassociation and such. Call it "Robo tripping."
The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.
Loo
Serious question: do you have job?
If not how can you afford hanging around, be on forums all day and using drugs?
In usa you need a job to survive no? Or are you still living at home uneployed (getbig basement style)?
No pun, just wondering how some people do it.
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While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means? I mean, not you doing the work..? No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon ;D ;)
And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...? And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.
Looking for a sidegig taff?
Cooking up pills in the bathtub.
Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Why do you need all these details brother?
Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
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I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.
Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit it saved my life.
Wes why did you not seek professional help right away?
Why did you always say you would "never" do that? To proud?
Seems kind of stubborn and stupid.
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quote author=Ted SuperSet link=topic=633126.msg8975290#msg8975290 date=1516647462
Looking for a sidegig taff?
No, I'm f**king loaded thanks (or at least you've accused me of that in the past ;))
Cooking up pills in the bathtub
Who mentioned pills? And a bathtub for mcg product???
Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Haha - do you know how long it is since I went 'out'?
Why do you need all these details brother?
Scientific/morbid curiosity
Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
I told you, it's on my to-do list...
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quote author=Ted SuperSet link=topic=633126.msg8975290#msg8975290 date=1516647462
Looking for a sidegig taff?
No, I'm f**king loaded thanks (or at least you've accused me of that in the past ;))
Cooking up pills in the bathtub
Who mentioned pills? And a bathtub for mcg product???
Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Haha - do you know how long it is since I went 'out'?
Why do you need all these details brother?
Scientific/morbid curiosity
Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
I told you, it's on my to-do list...
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Thanx for providing much needed answers my friend. Much appreciated.
I can now go back and jerk off my Pierce Brosnan blow up doll with a peacefull mind.
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Thanx for providing much needed answers my friend. Much appreciated.
I can now go back and jerk off my Pierce Brosnan blow up doll with a peacefull mind.
Don't be jealous of my lifestyle brah...
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While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means? I mean, not you doing the work..? No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon ;D ;)
And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...? And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.
Yea, you're not using a bowl and spoon to do it properly... Anywhere near close to "properly", that is. However, seeing as how people make "crack" cocaine, I would not in the least bit be surprised.
And yea, the stuff would be purchased in smaller quantities. Instead of buying a kilo, or 100grams, or even 10grams, You D be getting a gram or 2 or 5. To use n anabolic as an example, 1gram of methyltriemolone would produce 66 30ml bottles of product at 500mcg/ml (30ml at 500mcg/ml is 15mg/bottle), or 1,980 doses with 10mg "lost in the shuffle" or unaccounted for due to rounding down from Port from 66-point- whatever... Or 83 bottles at 400mcg/ml. Or 2,490 individual doses... Just a 100mcg/ml decrease adds an extra 210-211ml or an extra 510 doses.
*number may be off a bit, typing this while shopping for groceries
100mcg dose of fentanyl can make a big difference with most people. They gave me 600mcg my first surgery, highest dose they'd ever given at that hospital and could kill 3 adults. After my 2nd surgery waking up I asked the nurse for more pain meds as whatever they'd given me was wearing off. She said sure and I asked what dose and she said 25 micrograms of Fentanyl (what most people get) I laughed and said don't even bother, I would just wait till I got back to my room for my regular dose of Dilaudid.... so it's not something you would eyeball the measurements or dosages for, and seeing how a lot of dealers of recreational shit tend to eyeball there products when mixing, not to mention using ghetto equipment, such as a bowl and a spoon or chopsticks or mixing on a cutting board with credit cards or poker cards or whatever, fentanyl isn't something you don't want an amateur, well technically I'm an amateur, something you wouldn't want somebody inexperienced or on educated "making"... If that makes sense.
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Don't be jealous of my lifestyle brah...
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I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.
Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit it saved my life.
I think the "hit rock bottom" cliche is kind of a joke. As no matter how bad things are, they could always be worse, and after each "bottom" there's another bottom, until you're dead.
When I start it out I thought watching my bank account go from $20,000 down to $15,000 was a bottom... then it hit 10,000, then 5000, which I thought was a bottom, etc... Overdosing could've been a bottom, then ODing again, and again, and again... Etc... There's always another bottom.
When I decided to stop nubain, going to na never crossed my mind much less going to rehab. I could still afford it, but supply was almost gone at that time, and I had zero connections for painkiller pills such as Oxycontin or Vicodin, not that they would have been an option anyways since nubain had completely fucked my tolerance at that point and oxycontin had zero effect on me this was long before I learned I had a genetic abnormality in the way my body metabolizes certain drugs, opiates in particular (p450 enzyme etc..), and at that time switching to heroin was not something I would have ever considered. Just made the decision to stop.
Making the decision to stop is why most people who get clean actually stay clean. Making the decision to do something, is why anybody is successful at anything, IMO.
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Wes why did you not seek professional help right away?
Why did you always say you would "never" do that? To proud?
Seems kind of stubborn and stupid.
Well instead of identyfying with the people in AA + NA I compared myself to them instead.,meaning I would always think they were weak........drinking Aqua-Velva and wood grain rubbing alcohol..........I figured if you couldn`t get a buck to get a cheap bottle of wine that you were just lame.
Since then I went to a zillion meeting though I no longer attend...............hav en` been to one in over 15 years.
Stay strong if anybody`s hooked..............this too shall pass.
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I think the "hit rock bottom" cliche is kind of a joke. As no matter how bad things are, they could always be worse, and after each "bottom" there's another bottom, until you're dead.
When I start it out I thought watching my bank account go from $20,000 down to $15,000 was a bottom... then it hit 10,000, then 5000, which I thought was a bottom, etc... Overdosing could've been a bottom, then ODing again, and again, and again... Etc... There's always another bottom.
When I decided to stop nubain, going to na never crossed my mind much less going to rehab. I could still afford it, but supply was almost gone at that time, and I had zero connections for painkiller pills such as Oxycontin or Vicodin, not that they would have been an option anyways since nubain had completely fucked my tolerance at that point and oxycontin had zero effect on me this was long before I learned I had a genetic abnormality in the way my body metabolizes certain drugs, opiates in particular (p450 enzyme etc..), and at that time switching to heroin was not something I would have ever considered. Just made the decision to stop.
Making the decision to stop is why most people who get clean actually stay clean. Making the decision to do something, is why anybody is successful at anything, IMO.
Hitting bottom is a sad reality......I drank very heavy and used drugs for 33 years.sleeping in doorways was no fun...............as yiou said each bottom gerts worse.
I agree whole hartedly that you have to want to do something reayll bad to make changes in your life as far as drugs and booze go ass well as many other things.
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ESF - hope you don't mind, but I thought a copy of your post in the Misfits thread would fit into the conversation here too..
Q1: Since you were training people at this time, presumably you were in vests, T-shirts, that sort of thing - so weren't your injection marks visible?
Q2: And since you were using this stuff to give you the energy to work this heavy schedule, when you say "If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, I'd probably still use it" what would you be looking to get from it this time round? (That sort of presumes you're not currently doing 20 hour days..)
Nope. Opiates affect me differently than most. Like nether animal said..
..I NEVER had that nodding-out, drowsy feeling. I was always awake and hungry on them. If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, is probably still use it. So long as the proper things for withdrawal when going off or taking a break were available as well. Such as suboxone, clonidine, baclofen, valium/Xanax, gabapentin, etc.
I was always productive on heroin. Like I said before many times; my first clients were at 5-530am (I'd charge 120-150/hr for the early clients for making me work on 3hrs sleep lol), then I'd train ppl till 7pm, at which time is take over as gym manager and be the only one on duty till I closed the gym at midnight... Rush home and get to bed by 1-2am and wake up at 4-430am.
I'd wake up at 4am and do a shot, then another after the first block of clients around 9am, another at bout 1pm, another at 5pm, another at 8pm, and maybe one at 1130pm and the last when I got home about 1230/1am..... All 750-1000mg each dose. Coming out to 5-6g/day (about 280$/day.. Came out to about 8k a month on heroin alone.) I never knew anybody else who even did heroin, aside from 1 dealer I knew amd he'd been using it for 20yrs and would nod out on 250mg while I'd shoot 4x that and be totally fine.
Withdrawal for me fucken sucked, and I tried to put myself in a coma with alcohol to sleep through it, hoping I'd wake up 3-4days later and be back to "normal". All that did was create a physical alcohol addiction, as I never enjoyed drinking. I just drank it when I had no access to benzos. If I had benzos, I'd never drink. Never had a problem with benzos, btw. Never developed a tolerance to then as the same dose of klonopin today affects me the same way it did 18yrs ago. Rare for people who have alcohol addictions to be able to use benzos "normally". (I've had 2 valium in a bottle on my counter since Nov lol.. Just took a half yesterday n probablynwont take any more for another month or so).
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ESF - hope you don't mind, but I thought a copy of your post in the Misfits thread would fit into the conversation here too..
Q1: Since you were training people at this time, presumably you were in vests, T-shirts, that sort of thing - so weren't your injection marks visible?
Q2: And since you were using this stuff to give you the energy to work this heavy schedule, when you say "If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, I'd probably still use it" what would you be looking to get from it this time round? (That sort of presumes you're not currently doing 20 hour days..)
you are falling into the trap of believing he has ever been a personal trainer....
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you are falling into the trap of believing he has ever been a personal trainer....
Sure, why not? Makes no difference to anything or anyone what I believe - I just roll with it... :)
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Interesting stuff... but Holy Sh1T! - 50,000 dead last year in the US - more than the Vietnam War! Over 100,000 in the last 2 years FFS!! :o :o :o
"Breakthrough brings non-addictive opioid alternatives a step closer
Key discovery around brain’s receptor proteins could help develop painkiller substitutes, raising hopes of an eventual end to global opioid addiction crisis
The prospect of a non-addictive alternatives to morphine and other opioids has moved a step closer as scientists say they have cracked a key challenge in developing safe and effective substitute painkillers.
Overuse of highly addictive opioids has led to a health crisis across the world, especially in the US where more than 60,000 people died after overdoses in 2016 alone; president Donald Trump has declared the epidemic a public health emergency.
Researchers looking for alternatives examined a receptor protein that interacts with opioids in the brain, and have now revealed its structure as it binds to a molecule related to morphine. While the structure of the receptor had previously been reported, this is the first time scientists have unveiled its structure as it interacts with a drug.
The development, they say, could prove pivotal. The protein, known as the kappa opioid receptor, is one of four that interacts with opioids, but – crucially – while it can trigger pain-killing effects, it is not linked to problems including constipation, addiction risk and death as a result of overdose.
“Tens of thousands of people are dying every year in the US because of opioid overdoses; in the last year more than 50,000 people died. That is as many as died in the Vietnam war in the US. It is a terrible, terrible crisis,” said Bryan Roth, co-author of the research from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/04/breakthrough-brings-non-addictive-opioid-alternatives-a-step-closer (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/04/breakthrough-brings-non-addictive-opioid-alternatives-a-step-closer)
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Sure, why not? Makes no difference to anything or anyone what I believe - I just roll with it... :)
why not ask him what its like to walk on the moon if thats how you feel..?
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Flying high again.
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why not ask him what its like to walk on the moon if thats how you feel..?
Good idea - when I do, I will - thanks for the suggestion
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http://lancasteronline.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/heroin-addicts-need-to-take-responsibility/article_34bd5274-01fc-11e8-bee8-9b7f55c1e5d3.html
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you are falling into the trap of believing he has ever been a personal trainer....
I've been a PT since 2000, idiot. You seem to think I'm lying because I don't expose that part of my business to the low-life scum such as yourself on this website. I've had you pieces of shit harass my father, his partner, my sisters, and my mother. People have had contact with and over a decade... So what the fuck would stop you from affecting my business and harassing my clientele? You fucking moron. People like you who haven't done shit with their life aside from being somebody's and fucking employee dot-dot. Somebody's bitch... For your entire life. Which is fine for somebody like you with Asperger's and adult autism, so congratulations on driving your little bus or train or whatever the fuck it is and earning minimum wage your entire adult life (you forget we've seen the inside of that little piece of shit room with the green paint you always take your pictures in. No doubt that's the best, cleanest room in your house or else you wouldn't be taking pictures in there... which isn't too bad for a person with adult autism and Asperger's, no social skills, by your own admission no friends)
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ESF - hope you don't mind, but I thought a copy of your post in the Misfits thread would fit into the conversation here too..
Q1: Since you were training people at this time, presumably you were in vests, T-shirts, that sort of thing - so weren't your injection marks visible?
Q2: And since you were using this stuff to give you the energy to work this heavy schedule, when you say "If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, I'd probably still use it" what would you be looking to get from it this time round? (That sort of presumes you're not currently doing 20 hour days..)
Yea I don't mind.
Q1- actually no, not really. Since I was big and vascular and I rotated veins. They'd scar over and collapse, but for whatever reason they never got dark and bruised like regular track marks. Back when I was shooting nubain in 2000-2001 or so I shot in my bicep veins and in the crooks of my elbow and nose would get dark and purple and scarred over just look at Tom Prince and his bicep and AC vein... Scarred up abscessed and purple as hell lol.. Mine was never THAT bad, but the left bicep vein was noticeable (in 01/02), bit clients and customers (I ran a GNC as well).. But recently (14-'16) I didn't really show any "track-marks", even as discard up and collapsed and I had to move on to shooting my neck, you never showed any track marks, so nobody knew I was using.
Q2- just overall productivity I suppose. I was making the most money I'd ever made in my life at that time. Had 6 income streams and pulling in enough to cover 8-9k a month on heroin, plus 600/month on sushi, and 1500 a month on household bills... Plus what? Like 500/month on other/misc stuff.... you'd be surprised how powerful addiction is when you can go from having $2,000 in bills a month and stressing about that , to having about 10 or $12,000 a month in bills at least and not thinking twice or worrying about it.. I just thought of a way to earn more.
...most people associate coke with "motivating" people like that, but for me it's opiates. And I should retract that statement about heroin, they can keep heroin illegal, and just make Diluadid easier to get... Nothing else works for me. Fuck oxy. I had 480mg of oxy in me when I went to jail Nov8th (took the rest of what I had from my surgery back in Aug) and it didn't do shit for me. Couldn't feel it at all... But, Diluadid worked very well while I was in the hospital that month. I'm sure you saw my vids from the hospital when I was walking around like nothing was wrong and doing biz from my hospital room. Ill take a 5mg Diluadid shot IM over any amount of Heroin. (I say "IM" because I can't do IV anymore unless it's through a PICC line or midline as all my veins are now closed up, even my neck.. when I had my midline in in the hospital they're giving me 2 mg Dilaudid every 2 hours which worked great however 2 mg IM didn't do shit LOL).
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Looking for a sidegig taff?
Cooking up pills in the bathtub.
Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Why do you need all these details brother?
Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
I don't know why people keep using this "bathtub" reference, none of this shit is made in a bathtub. That goes for anabolics as well. When people use the "bathtub" reference, and makes it pretty obvious that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and it voids any credibility you may have in reference to the subject you're referring to.
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I've been a PT since 2000, idiot. You seem to think I'm lying because I don't expose that part of my business to the low-life scum such as yourself on this website. I've had you pieces of shit harass my father, his partner, my sisters, and my mother. People have had contact with and over a decade... So what the fuck would stop you from affecting my business and harassing my clientele? You fucking moron. People like you who haven't done shit with their life aside from being somebody's and fucking employee dot-dot. Somebody's bitch... For your entire life. Which is fine for somebody like you with Asperger's and adult autism, so congratulations on driving your little bus or train or whatever the fuck it is and earning minimum wage your entire adult life (you forget we've seen the inside of that little piece of shit room with the green paint you always take your pictures in. No doubt that's the best, cleanest room in your house or else you wouldn't be taking pictures in there... which isn't too bad for a person with adult autism and Asperger's, no social skills, by your own admission no friends)
you dont expose it to anyone, you dont advertise , there is no mention on your insta about upcoming bootcamps and numbers.
You have zero testimonials.
you claim its all done word of mouth and on people approaching you , firstly you look like a fucking hobo, secondly you are always drunk, thirdly you look like shit, who would think you were a PT based on looks?
seriously mate, stick to the drug cartel stories, they are more believable than you being a personal trainer.
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Hitting bottom is a sad reality......I drank very heavy and used drugs for 33 years.sleeping in doorways was no fun...............as yiou said each bottom gerts worse.
I agree whole hartedly that you have to want to do something reayll bad to make changes in your life as far as drugs and booze go ass well as many other things.
There's absolutely no way I could last for 33 years doing the stuff that I was doing. I dare anybody to show me somebody using more heroin than I was using (6 grams a day), and if I would start using heroin again it would likely go to 6 grams a day again. And then what? Go to 9 grams a day? How many people do you think can run 9 grams of heroin a day for any length of time before they die for whatever reasons.
... And alcohol? I was told back in 2004 that if I continue to drink like I was, I'd likely be dead possibly within 6 months, but Shirley within a year, as my pancreas was so bad. My doctor at the time was an old English fella and his nurse had been with him for 19yrs , and when he was looking at my pancreas enzymes (I had pancreatitis and was hospitalized for 10 days on a liquid only diet which meant chicken and beef broth, and sometimes I would get lime Jell-O)
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Listen you dumb fuck I told you to fucking show me, show everybody here where I am wrong. "Talking out of your ass" means I don't know what I'm talking about and what I'm saying is incorrect so you dumb fucking drunk, show us where I'm incorrect.
And show me where I'm "acting" like I'm a medical doctor like I have a medical degree. You stupid motherfuckr you think you need a medical degree to know the maximum recommended dosage of Tylenol? Or you need a fucking medical degree to know that Tylenol can cause liver damage?
Nope.
You're the stereotypical ex-junkie ex-drunk who believes every other x junkie and x drunk is just like you.
I'm "no smarter than you"? Hate to break it to you moron, but when it comes to this shit I am, "smarter than you".
You're the type of person who blindly accepts whatever the doctor tella you, as you should, because you're just plain stupid and uneducated uninformed when it comes to a lot of things. So people like you when they blindly take the medication doctor recommends that causes heart failure erectile dysfunction in sudden-death, you deserve it. All of it.
Me? I want to know what's going into my body and how it works. And I happen to understand the shit I read.
if you are so smart why do you constantly end up either in jail, rehab or the hospital on a regular basis?
That tells me you are not as smart as you think you are. Although you were smart enough to abuse the fuck out of your health insurance with your 18 cheese burgers, 14 coca colas, 42 scoops of mashed potatos and 31 different flavours of ice cream each meal.
By your logic during your most recent hospital visit you should have told the Doctors "don't do the surgery, Doc, I am ES Fitness and I may not have an MD besides my name but I have experience abusing the fuck out of every drug known to man, can tell you my tales of prowess in prison and have been to rehab with that one guy who was a cousin of Screech from Saved by the Bell and apprently he was arrogant and a bully to everyone, especially family. Plus I have CPT besides my name which means I think I am smarter than an MD like you who studies 18 hours a day for 10 years to become a doctor so hand me the scalpel doc and I will dig out that Spider Bite Bad Abcess From the dirty Gear I make in my bathtub myself"
I honestly think you go to jail,rehab or the hospital because you get tired of microwaving t6v dinners
3..2..1 before you come back with some long ass gibberish post about how the jail,rehab or hospital had nothing to do with your lifestyle or some other fucking bullshit about your non expertise
Never saw a guy who melts down as much as you. The only thing you are an expert as is fucking up and getting caught doing it
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Esfitness's great great grandpappy BSFitness meets his demise with Billy the Kid
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Esfitness's great great grandpappy BSFitness meets his demise with Billy the Kid
I heard he just had got out of jail for riding his horse drunk right before that lol jk
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I heard he just had got out of jail for riding his horse drunk right before that lol jk
he had been in rehab with Billy the Kid's cousin, who said Billy was arrogant and a bully to everyone, especially the Regulators
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Yea I don't mind.
Q1- actually no, not really. Since I was big and vascular and I rotated veins. They'd scar over and collapse, but for whatever reason they never got dark and bruised like regular track marks. Back when I was shooting nubain in 2000-2001 or so I shot in my bicep veins and in the crooks of my elbow and nose would get dark and purple and scarred over just look at Tom Prince and his bicep and AC vein... Scarred up abscessed and purple as hell lol.. Mine was never THAT bad, but the left bicep vein was noticeable (in 01/02), bit clients and customers (I ran a GNC as well).. But recently (14-'16) I didn't really show any "track-marks", even as discard up and collapsed and I had to move on to shooting my neck, you never showed any track marks, so nobody knew I was using.
Q2- just overall productivity I suppose. I was making the most money I'd ever made in my life at that time. Had 6 income streams and pulling in enough to cover 8-9k a month on heroin, plus 600/month on sushi, and 1500 a month on household bills... Plus what? Like 500/month on other/misc stuff.... you'd be surprised how powerful addiction is when you can go from having $2,000 in bills a month and stressing about that , to having about 10 or $12,000 a month in bills at least and not thinking twice or worrying about it.. I just thought of a way to earn more.
...most people associate coke with "motivating" people like that, but for me it's opiates. And I should retract that statement about heroin, they can keep heroin illegal, and just make Diluadid easier to get... Nothing else works for me. Fuck oxy. I had 480mg of oxy in me when I went to jail Nov8th (took the rest of what I had from my surgery back in Aug) and it didn't do shit for me. Couldn't feel it at all... But, Diluadid worked very well while I was in the hospital that month. I'm sure you saw my vids from the hospital when I was walking around like nothing was wrong and doing biz from my hospital room. Ill take a 5mg Diluadid shot IM over any amount of Heroin. (I say "IM" because I can't do IV anymore unless it's through a PICC line or midline as all my veins are now closed up, even my neck.. when I had my midline in in the hospital they're giving me 2 mg Dilaudid every 2 hours which worked great however 2 mg IM didn't do shit LOL).
Bullshit alert right there, you have never been big and vascular...even at your leanest you were smooth and lacking any veins.
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Bullshit alert right there, you have never been big and vascular...even at your leanest you were smooth and lacking any veins.
welcome back
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welcome back
what's worse about this esfitness moron is that he is genuinely convinced by his own bullshit.
And it doesn't help him by encouraging him, which happens a lot on here, his garbage just spews out on the page and some morons lap it up hoping its real because they actually think his life is acceptable and even enjoyable in some way.
I used to have a mate like him, no where near as deluded but he thought that he had to create outlandish stories to make up for his mundane life.
Instead of saying "I went home" when he was asked why did he disappear on a night out with us , he used to make up stories like getting in a car with three lesbians and going back to their place and sleeping with them all.
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what's worse about this esfitness moron is that he is genuinely convinced by his own bullshit.
And it doesn't help him by encouraging him, which happens a lot on here, his garbage just spews out on the page and some morons lap it up hoping its real because they actually think his life is acceptable and even enjoyable in some way.
I used to have a mate like him, no where near as deluded but he thought that he had to create outlandish stories to make up for his mundane life.
Instead of saying "I went home" when he was asked why did he disappear on a night out with us , he used to make up stories like getting in a car with three lesbians and going back to their place and sleeping with them all.
lol so true
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There's absolutely no way I could last for 33 years doing the stuff that I was doing. I dare anybody to show me somebody using more heroin than I was using (6 grams a day), and if I would start using heroin again it would likely go to 6 grams a day again. And then what? Go to 9 grams a day? How many people do you think can run 9 grams of heroin a day for any length of time before they die for whatever reasons.
... And alcohol? I was told back in 2004 that if I continue to drink like I was, I'd likely be dead possibly within 6 months, but Shirley within a year, as my pancreas was so bad. My doctor at the time was an old English fella and his nurse had been with him for 19yrs , and when he was looking at my pancreas enzymes (I had pancreatitis and was hospitalized for 10 days on a liquid only diet which meant chicken and beef broth, and sometimes I would get lime Jell-O)
so 6gms is the sweet spot for heroin as well as test...
I thought you were a personal trainer from 2000, I'm certain anyone hiring a personal trainer would drop them instantly if they smelled of booze and you must have smelled of booze.
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so 6gms is the sweet spot for heroin as well as test...
lol :D
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No fucking way this guy was functioning and looking normal around people with the doses he brags about.
It is like when I have gone to meeting and someone is telling their story, and it will go something like "yeah so I always was violent beating up people winning all the fights bla bla bla,(then in the next sentence)so I used to always be a blackout drinker and I always woke up covered in my own blood, and all busted up"
Point is most people who are fucked have this blurred view of how they were yet there is a different version of what society and those around us saw, 2 or more very different versions of events.
I just read Dee Snider's book and he made a joke about all these rock stars claiming to be keeping diaries while using heroin and how that is total horseshit because the last think someone on smack is thinking about while high is a pen and paper
this describes the reality of getbig's own version of Walter Mitty
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reality part 2
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I have never seen the joy in herion I liked xtasy and drinking way more. I didn't do xtasy everyday though but when I did I did a lot usually sold partyied away around a kilo a month I sold acid to didn't hardly do that much but it sold out the ass cost nothing in bulk not even a penny a hit.
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Yea I don't mind.
Q1- actually no, not really. Since I was big and vascular and I rotated veins. They'd scar over and collapse, but for whatever reason they never got dark and bruised like regular track marks. Back when I was shooting nubain in 2000-2001 or so I shot in my bicep veins and in the crooks of my elbow and nose would get dark and purple and scarred over just look at Tom Prince and his bicep and AC vein... Scarred up abscessed and purple as hell lol.. Mine was never THAT bad, but the left bicep vein was noticeable (in 01/02), bit clients and customers (I ran a GNC as well).. But recently (14-'16) I didn't really show any "track-marks", even as discard up and collapsed and I had to move on to shooting my neck, you never showed any track marks, so nobody knew I was using.
Q2- just overall productivity I suppose. I was making the most money I'd ever made in my life at that time. Had 6 income streams and pulling in enough to cover 8-9k a month on heroin, plus 600/month on sushi, and 1500 a month on household bills... Plus what? Like 500/month on other/misc stuff.... you'd be surprised how powerful addiction is when you can go from having $2,000 in bills a month and stressing about that , to having about 10 or $12,000 a month in bills at least and not thinking twice or worrying about it.. I just thought of a way to earn more.
...most people associate coke with "motivating" people like that, but for me it's opiates. And I should retract that statement about heroin, they can keep heroin illegal, and just make Diluadid easier to get... Nothing else works for me. Fuck oxy. I had 480mg of oxy in me when I went to jail Nov8th (took the rest of what I had from my surgery back in Aug) and it didn't do shit for me. Couldn't feel it at all... But, Diluadid worked very well while I was in the hospital that month. I'm sure you saw my vids from the hospital when I was walking around like nothing was wrong and doing biz from my hospital room. Ill take a 5mg Diluadid shot IM over any amount of Heroin. (I say "IM" because I can't do IV anymore unless it's through a PICC line or midline as all my veins are now closed up, even my neck.. when I had my midline in in the hospital they're giving me 2 mg Dilaudid every 2 hours which worked great however 2 mg IM didn't do shit LOL).
Thanks for the honesty. Wondering do we know who ESFitness is? Sounds like a similar background to David Dearth?
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I have never seen the joy in herion I liked xtasy and drinking way more. I didn't do xtasy everyday though but when I did I did a lot usually sold partyied away around a kilo a month I sold acid to didn't hardly do that much but it sold out the ass cost nothing in bulk not even a penny a hit.
lol a kilo a month - this is physically impossible you would be dead on much smaller dosages than that.
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lol a kilo a month - this is physically impossible you would be dead on much smaller dosages than that.
this is what happens when people don't stamp on esfitness outlandish claims other people jump on the bullshit bandwagon.
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lol a kilo a month - this is physically impossible you would be dead on much smaller dosages than that.
He sold a kilo a month
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Bullshit alert right there, you have never been big and vascular...even at your leanest you were smooth and lacking any veins.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbA5KPdnY-_/
Happened to find a pic not to long ago before I had my thyroid mix up.
First person I thought of wasn't you jeffy, it was the insecure crazy burlesque dancer chic I was with for about 9 months who had me shut down my IG because i shouldnt need to be showing off for other girls. Didn't bother me much, since it was a client I'd met just before her who got men into IGbin the first place for "marketing purposes", as she/he did. I didn't see the point in taking pics of myself everyday and postingbthem
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BbA5KPdnY-_/
Happened to find a pic not to long ago before I had my thyroid mix up.
First person I thought of wasn't you jeffy, it was the insecure crazy burlesque dancer chic I was with for about 9 months who had me shut down my IG because i shouldnt need to be showing off for other girls. Didn't bother me much, since it was a client I'd met just before her who got men into IGbin the first place for "marketing purposes", as she/he did. I didn't see the point in taking pics of myself everyday and postingbthem
a varicose vein, impressive.
Now this photo was after your heroin days and you did say you didnt have any veins left after that.
Maybe your heroin addiction wasnt really what you originally made out.
Yea I don't mind.
Q1- actually no, not really. Since I was big and vascular and I rotated veins. They'd scar over and collapse, but for whatever reason they never got dark and bruised like regular track marks. Back when I was shooting nubain in 2000-2001 or so I shot in my bicep veins and in the crooks of my elbow and nose would get dark and purple and scarred over just look at Tom Prince and his bicep and AC vein... Scarred up abscessed and purple as hell lol.. Mine was never THAT bad, but the left bicep vein was noticeable (in 01/02), bit clients and customers (I ran a GNC as well).. But recently (14-'16) I didn't really show any "track-marks", even as discard up and collapsed and I had to move on to shooting my neck, you never showed any track marks, so nobody knew I was using.
Q2- just overall productivity I suppose. I was making the most money I'd ever made in my life at that time. Had 6 income streams and pulling in enough to cover 8-9k a month on heroin, plus 600/month on sushi, and 1500 a month on household bills... Plus what? Like 500/month on other/misc stuff.... you'd be surprised how powerful addiction is when you can go from having $2,000 in bills a month and stressing about that , to having about 10 or $12,000 a month in bills at least and not thinking twice or worrying about it.. I just thought of a way to earn more.
...most people associate coke with "motivating" people like that, but for me it's opiates. And I should retract that statement about heroin, they can keep heroin illegal, and just make Diluadid easier to get... Nothing else works for me. Fuck oxy. I had 480mg of oxy in me when I went to jail Nov8th (took the rest of what I had from my surgery back in Aug) and it didn't do shit for me. Couldn't feel it at all... But, Diluadid worked very well while I was in the hospital that month. I'm sure you saw my vids from the hospital when I was walking around like nothing was wrong and doing biz from my hospital room. Ill take a 5mg Diluadid shot IM over any amount of Heroin. (I say "IM" because I can't do IV anymore unless it's through a PICC line or midline as all my veins are now closed up, even my neck.. when I had my midline in in the hospital they're giving me 2 mg Dilaudid every 2 hours which worked great however 2 mg IM didn't do shit LOL).
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a varicose vein, impressive.
Now this photo was after your heroin days and you did say you didnt have any veins left after that.
Maybe your heroin addiction wasnt really what you originally made out.
Oh, so now you're back to telling me WHEN the pics were taken? Haha haha. More of your "Asperger's-arrogance" again, eh? Yourr TELLING ME that pic is AFTER heroin? Hahaha as if YOU would know hahaha... Adult-Autisim must really suck.
Adults with Autism
Social interactions and relationships.
Symptoms may include:
Significant problems developing nonverbal communication skills, such as eye-to-eye gazing, facial expressions, and body posture.
Failure to establish friendships with children the same age.
Lack of interest in sharing enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people.
Lack of empathy. People with autism may have difficulty understanding another person's feelings, such as pain or sorrow.
Verbal and nonverbal communication. Symptoms may include:
Delay in, or lack of, learning to talk. As many as 40% of people with autism never speak.1
Problems taking steps to start a conversation. Also, people with autism have difficulties continuing a conversation after it has begun.
Stereotyped and repetitive use of language. People with autism often repeat over and over a phrase they have heard previously (echolalia).
Difficulty understanding their listener's perspective. For example, a person with autism may not understand that someone is using humor. They may interpret the communication word for word and fail to catch the implied meaning.
Asperger's arrogance
""In chapter 4, Rudy discusses the aspie tendency toward bluntness and perfectionism, and near the bottom of page 20, she brings up what many describe as “Asperger arrogance.” I’d like to point out that her placement of these three topics in the same chapter is no coincidence. They are related.
Before I dive in, I’d like to take a moment to define “arrogance,” as I think it is important to understand exactly what I’m talking about. Merriam-Webster defines “arrogance” as “an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions.”
Fits you like a glove. Last time I exposed your condition you "disappeared" for a while, hoping we'd forget.
Pathetic
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you dont expose it to anyone, you dont advertise , there is no mention on your insta about upcoming bootcamps and numbers.
You have zero testimonials.
you claim its all done word of mouth and on people approaching you , firstly you look like a fucking hobo, secondly you are always drunk, thirdly you look like shit, who would think you were a PT based on looks?
seriously mate, stick to the drug cartel stories, they are more believable than you being a personal trainer.
You really are fucking stupid as fuck at least we all know why I guess Asperger's kind of fucks up their reasoning ability. You really think I'm going to post my business shit on the same Instagram I post pics containing sexual innuendo and steroid use?
Back up your claim of me saying "it's all done by word of mouth".
And drunk? I haven't been drunk since Nov 1st 2016, you ducking mental degenerate.
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You really are fucking stupid as fuck at least we all know why I guess Asperger's kind of fucks up their reasoning ability. You really think I'm going to post my business shit on the same Instagram I post pics containing sexual innuendo and steroid use?
Back up your claim of me saying "it's all done by word of mouth".
And drunk? I haven't been drunk since Nov 1st 2016, you ducking mental degenerate.
You had a DUI on 8th November 2017 you fucking idiot.
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if you are so smart why do you constantly end up either in jail, rehab or the hospital on a regular basis?
Rregular basis eh? Hahaha
That tells me you are not as smart as you think you are. Although you were smart enough to abuse the fuck out of your health insurance with your 18 cheese burgers, 14 coca colas, 42 scoops of mashed potatos and 31 different flavours of ice cream each meal.
see, can't use facts to back up your claims so you need to.resort to over exaggerating. Hoping people will believe you
By your logic during your most recent hospital visit you should have told the Doctors "don't do the surgery, Doc, I am ES Fitness and I may not have an MD besides my name but I have experience abusing the fuck out of every drug known to man, can tell you my tales of prowess in prison and have been to rehab with that one guy who was a cousin of Screech from Saved by the Bell and apprently he was arrogant and a bully to everyone, especially family. Plus I have CPT besides my name which means I think I am smarter than an MD like you who studies 18 hours a day for 10 years to become a doctor so hand me the scalpel doc and I will dig out that Spider Bite Bad Abcess From the dirty Gear I make in my bathtub myself"
I never said I was smarter than a medical doctor. That was your insecurities showing through. And you forget my ex fiance was a med student, now I doctor so I think between the two of us, I would have a little bit more first hand knowledge of what doctors study whole process of becoming a doctor etc etc etc I can also tell you that my ex fiance despite having four years of medical school behind her, at that point anyways, was clueless when I came to anabolic steroids and clueless when I came to things like Sports Nutrition. She may have gone over those subjects briefly however she was not interested in endocrinology or pharmacology or addiction medicine for that matter it was me who had to explain to her the ins-and-outs of hormone replacement therapy and the hpta axis..... and the doctor you speak to when you're in the hospital is just a fucking attending physician who rotates floors or hospitals every few days or a couple weeks. And the doctor I spoke with are doctors plural that is, when I was in the hospital for my hip surgery the floor doctors, weren't pain management specialists and we're fucking clueless when it came to opioid equivalencys, half-lives vs effective duration. The floor Physicians initial Choice was to give me 15 mg Morphine Sulfate CR P.O. T.I.D. & morphine sulfate IR PO PRN q4..... and didn't understand why that would be pointless in somebody with an opiate tolerance like mine. There used to opiate naive patients who likely have never had opiates in their life, much less a sustained addiction to diacetylmorphine (which is four to five times stronger then conventional morphine sulfate) at 6,000mg/day. The equivalent to 24,000 to 30,000 mg of the morphine sulfate they wanted to prescribe (at 135mg/day total) and thought was sufficient. When I had mentioned to the doctor that I had kidney stones about three months prior and had taken an 80mg tablet of oxycodone, and crushed it up and swallowed it, they believed that was not possible without me dying. Much less fee not receiving any pain relief or "high" from that dose... However when I asked to speak with a pain management specialist and explain to him my situation, they had absolutely no problem prescribing large doses of oral pain medications concurrently with IV pain medication every 2 hours. The difference between me and you "Nelson", well, one of the differences, is it I'm and informed patient. I like to know and understand what's going into my body. You are completely fucking clueless. You are ignorant. And it must make you pretty fucking insecure knowing how ignorant you are because you constantly try to tell as many people as you can did they are no better than you that they are no smarter than you that they are no more informed than you. God forbid somebody knows something that you don't how can that possibly fucking be?
You do the same thing with your old junkie alcoholic bullshit. You claim that every junkie is just like you. Every junkie is the same. You're the type of person who would rather bring other people down to your level rather than try to better yourself.
That's ducking pathetic[/b]
I honestly think you go to jail,rehab or the hospital because you get tired of microwaving t6v dinners
3..2..1 before you come back with some long ass gibberish post about how the jail,rehab or hospital had nothing to do with your lifestyle or some other fucking bullshit about your non expertise
Never saw a guy who melts down as much as you. The only thing you are an expert as is fucking up and getting caught doing it
you're a sad bitter washed up old man Nelson. It's pathetic to see you constantly constantly constantly reposting the same photo shops of me hoping every day that somebody would make a comment and give you some praise for them. It's fucking sad. You and your little photo shops use in the same picture in a dozen different threads begging for acceptance, reminds me of little Mexican kids on the Tijuana River Bridge selling me Chiclets
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see, can't use facts to back up your claims so you need to.resort to over exaggerating. Hoping people will believe you
Fucking hell, you are accusing someone else of doing that!!!!!!!!
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You had a DUI on 8th November 2017 you fucking idiot.
That's the date I went to jail you fucking moron, from a DUI August 12th. There you go with that Asperger's shit again. Thinking you know more than you do.
News flash jeffy-poo, you don't need to be drunk to get a DUI.
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No fucking way this guy was functioning and looking normal around people with the doses he brags about.
It is like when I have gone to meeting and someone is telling their story, and it will go something like "yeah so I always was violent beating up people winning all the fights bla bla bla,(then in the next sentence)so I used to always be a blackout drinker and I always woke up covered in my own blood, and all busted up"
Point is most people who are fucked have this blurred view of how they were yet there is a different version of what society and those around us saw, 2 or more very different versions of events.
I just read Dee Snider's book and he made a joke about all these rock stars claiming to be keeping diaries while using heroin and how that is total horseshit because the last think someone on smack is thinking about while high is a pen and paper
this describes the reality of getbig's own version of Walter Mitty
See what I mean Nelson? You pass off your own experiences thinking everybody else's experience must surely be exactly like yours there's no way it could be any different. Haha haha..... it's all a nice little game people like you play with yourselves in order to make yourself feel better. Because if you were a gutter drunk passed out slobbering piece of shit when you were drinking or getting high on whatever you were getting high on, and everybody else must surely have been too and if they're not they're lying!! Right? That's exactly how you think. Pathetic
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getbig is basically one tard calling another tard a tard... and some gay shit lol
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See what I mean Nelson? You pass off your own experiences thinking everybody else's experience must surely be exactly like yours there's no way it could be any different. Haha haha..... it's all a nice little game people like you play with yourselves in order to make yourself feel better. Because if you were a gutter drunk passed out slobbering piece of shit when you were drinking or getting high on whatever you were getting high on, and everybody else must surely have been too and if they're not they're lying!! Right? That's exactly how you think. Pathetic
look moron, if you were using 6 gms of heroin a day people would know about it, the fact you didnt pick up on that is because you were off your fucking tits, either that or you weren't using heroin, its just another nice story to tell.
here watch this guy, he probably thinks no one knows hes on heroin
and you claimed to be using 6 gms and no one noticed???
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look moron, if you were using 6 gms of heroin a day people would know about it, the fact you didnt pick up on that is because you were off your fucking tits, either that or you weren't using heroin, its just another nice story to tell.
here watch this guy, he probably thinks no one knows hes on heroin
and you claimed to be using 6 gms and no one noticed???
More of your Asperger's and autism coming out... You just can't help it can you? You just don't get it number one you're talking about something you know absolutely nothing about... unless you want to tell us all that you had a heroin problem.... you're going to tell me that for 18 months straight I was nodding out and falling asleep all over the gym all well not only maintaining the clients I had to pay for my drug bills, but also adding new clients to pay for my drug bill... Is that what you're saying?
Hahhahahhaa... keep on talking about things you know absolutely nothing about and assuming you know how opiates affect everybody and how they affect everybody the same.
Hope this helps...
Www.autisimForums.com
#autismspeaks !
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More of your Asperger's and autism coming out... You just can't help it can you? You just don't get it number one you're talking about something you know absolutely nothing about... unless you want to tell us all that you had a heroin problem.... you're going to tell me that for 18 months straight I was nodding out and falling asleep all over the gym all well not only maintaining the clients I had to pay for my drug bills, but also adding new clients to pay for my drug bill... Is that what you're saying?
Hahhahahhaa... keep on talking about things you know absolutely nothing about and assuming you know how opiates affect everybody and how they affect everybody the same.
Hope this helps...
Www.autisimForums.com
#autismspeaks !
so you took heroin for 18 months, spent $78k on it and it didnt effect you so anyone would notice.
Tell me, do you get your heroin from the same place as your gear?
You sound like you have been given a raw deal all your life.
6gms of heroin a day, and no one noticed, 6 gms of gear a week and no one noticed.
Yep, one of lifes winners.
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Hahhahahhaa... keep on talking about things you know absolutely nothing about and assuming you know how opiates affect everybody and how they affect everybody the same.
https://drugabuse.com/library/the-effects-of-heroin-use/
Can you point out in there anywhere it says that heavy heroin use transforms the individual into a successful personal trainer?
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so you took heroin for 18 months, spent $78k on it and it didnt effect you so anyone would notice.
Tell me, do you get your heroin from the same place as your gear?
You sound like you have been given a raw deal all your life.
6gms of heroin a day, and no one noticed, 6 gms of gear a week and no one noticed.
Yep, one of lifes winners.
So, not only do you think you can tell me when my pictures were taken, but you can also tell me how opiates affect me.
Interesting.
Typical of people with your condition
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So, not only do you think you can tell me when my pictures were taken, but you can also tell me how opiates affect me.
Interesting.
Typical of people with your condition
So they dont effect you the same as everyone else?
I have never seen heroin effects quoted as not effecting you to the point where someone would notice.
Please, tell me how your day went using 6gms heroin, what were your dosages per shot, how often did you shoot, and be careful you dont fuck it up.
edit, in fact dont fucking bother, I have no idea why I encourage you, its like trying to have a discussion with a retard.
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It's a shame ESF is immune to everything, we'll have to deal with his bullshit indefinitely it seems. :-\
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It's a shame ESF is immune to everything, we'll have to deal with his bullshit indefinitely it seems. :-\
Hes immune to the truth thats for certain.
I really have to start leaving him alone, everyone else seems to just take his shit and gloss over it, I really hope they dont take it at face value.
The reason I closed my other account and fucked off wasnt because of any of the fuckwits like dj or esfitness, it was because the posters who I thought had sense were actually taking them seriously.
Dj has been in a 3 monthly loop for the last ten years, his post history hasnt changed, he is like a clock, his constant requests for advice are repeatedly answered and people take the time to respond with well thought out answers, he then simply ignores everyone and decides to be a boxer again, then 8 weeks later hes back asking for advice and the same people respond again, seriously, if you burn your hand on a fire it should really stop you doing it again.
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if you burn your hand on a fire it should really stop you doing it again.
Shouldn't you be taking your own advice here?
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Shouldn't you be taking your own advice here?
I thought that after I wrote it, I was leaving it to see if someone picked up on it, I have lost confidence in some people here of late in pulling people up on bullshit posts.
Now if you could just keep an eye on esfitness for me... ;)
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So they dont effect you the same as everyone else?
I have never seen heroin effects quoted as not effecting you to the point where someone would notice.
Please, tell me how your day went using 6gms heroin, what were your dosages per shot, how often did you shoot, and be careful you dont fuck it up.
edit, in fact dont fucking bother, I have no idea why I encourage you, its like trying to have a discussion with a retard.
I've already stated how my day went, many times. We all know you've seen it.
Here, instead, practice some self-help
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Obsession-As-an-Autistic-Person%3famp=1
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I've already stated how my day went, many times. We all know you've seen it.
Here, instead, practice some self-help
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Obsession-As-an-Autistic-Person%3famp=1
I asked you not to bother...
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See what I mean Nelson? You pass off your own experiences thinking everybody else's experience must surely be exactly like yours there's no way it could be any different. Haha haha..... it's all a nice little game people like you play with yourselves in order to make yourself feel better. Because if you were a gutter drunk passed out slobbering piece of shit when you were drinking or getting high on whatever you were getting high on, and everybody else must surely have been too and if they're not they're lying!! Right? That's exactly how you think. Pathetic
I think it is more like you are insecure and need to one up everyone here with your tales of utter bullshit.
I don't think you are bad person, but I think you have a serious inferiority complex and try to portray yourself as an expert in everything.
You are that guy where if someone says they just went skydiving for the first time, you can't help yourself and start telling the story of how you went skydiving but did not use a parachute because you are EsFitness of course, the most interesting man on the planet
You make me laugh because you have absolutely no sense of humour, or even ernough sense to figure out people are budting balls on here. No every post is either you bragging or one upping everyone or melting down because you just are too stupid to get the joke.
Oh by the way in reference to me being a gutter drunk, for a guy like you who has been an expert in fucking up it's kind of rich to call others pathetic especially since you have probably been a drain on your family's resources and patience all your life with your jackpots
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I think it is more like you are insecure and need to one up everyone here with your tales of utter bullshit.
I don't think you are bad person, but I think you have a serious inferiority complex and try to portray yourself as an expert in everything.
You are that guy where if someone says they just went skydiving for the first time, you can't help yourself and start telling the story of how you went skydiving but did not use a parachute because you are EsFitness of course, the most interesting man on the planet
You make me laugh because you have absolutely no sense of humour, or even ernough sense to figure out people are budting balls on here. No every post is either you bragging or one upping everyone or melting down because you just are too stupid to get the joke.
Oh by the way in reference to me being a gutter drunk, for a guy like you who has been an expert in fucking up it's kind of rich to call others pathetic especially since you have probably been a drain on your family's resources and patience all your life with your jackpots
Busting balls? You're a 50yr old man who begs for peoples attention, hoping somebody will finally compliment you on the photoshop's you do of me. Hence posting the same one over and over and over again every thread you can yet getting zero response.
You're a typical AA acolyte. You Preach over and over and over that all addicts and alcoholics are just like you so you can feel better about yourself. Since you have 0 understanding pharmacology or the human body in general and you're not a doctor, then it's surely impossible for anybody else to understand if they're not a doctor either. You rationalize your stupidity.
Seeing how you act deer on this board 50 years old with your little lame photo shops, repeating the same shit over and over and then saying "hey we're just busting your balls", when it should be pretty clear to you by now, most regular people anyways, that I don't bust peoples balls and fuck around like an immature punk, I'm not like you.
Send me all the PM's you want telling me about Your Glory Days of how you were a big tough motorcycle gang member in Canada selling all kinds of drugs and shit and how you and I are a lot of like. Keep telling yourself that try to make yourself feel better anyway you can. Apparently you need it
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you were a big tough motorcycle gang member in Canada
lol, 'canada' ::)
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Busting balls? You're a 50yr old man who begs for peoples attention, hoping somebody will finally compliment you on the photoshop's you do of me. Hence posting the same one over and over and over again every thread you can yet getting zero response.
You're a typical AA acolyte. You Preach over and over and over that all addicts and alcoholics are just like you so you can feel better about yourself. Since you have 0 understanding pharmacology or the human body in general and you're not a doctor, then it's surely impossible for anybody else to understand if they're not a doctor either. You rationalize your stupidity.
Seeing how you act deer on this board 50 years old with your little lame photo shops, repeating the same shit over and over and then saying "hey we're just busting your balls", when it should be pretty clear to you by now, most regular people anyways, that I don't bust peoples balls and fuck around like an immature punk, I'm not like you.
Send me all the PM's you want telling me about Your Glory Days of how you were a big tough motorcycle gang member in Canada selling all kinds of drugs and shit and how you and I are a lot of like. Keep telling yourself that try to make yourself feel better anyway you can. Apparently you need it
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Or your "Canadian Irish mob" ties.
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Or your "Canadian Irish mob" ties.
yes, because him claiming to be part of a Canadian Irish Mob isn't really believable.
Unlike all your stories that must be true.... ::)
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Or your "Canadian Irish mob" ties.
that's nice,
you forgot the yakuza, pablo escobar and Dnald trump
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that's nice,
you forgot the yakuza, pablo escobar and Dnald trump
Are you trying to get me to post the PMs? Found out after I posted whitewidows pms to me asking to help him sell pain pills that that's a "bannable" offense. Convenient.
I can just take a screen shot and textem to somebody. Like I'm gonna make it up. Esp since I didn't know you're in Canada or that you're Irish. Don't give a fuck either. I do know you're a poser and desperate for acceptance.
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Are you trying to get me to post the PMs? Found out after I posted whitewidows pms to me asking to help him sell pain pills that that's a "bannable" offense. Convenient.
I can just take a screen shot and textem to somebody. Like I'm gonna make it up. Esp since I didn't know you're in Canada or that you're Irish. Don't give a fuck either. I do know you're a poser and desperate for acceptance.
pot , kettle, black.....
You are even worse than dj181 in the lack of self esteem department.
Your constant brag ado posting style of reeks of insecurity.
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that's nice,
you forgot the yakuza, pablo escobar and Dnald trump
Ahh.. I found the PM. Talking about your "ties to the Irish mob in Montreal."
LoL
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Ahh.. I found the PM. Talking about your "ties to the Irish mob in Montreal."
LoL
thats more believable that you training Linda Lee and Fabio....
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Had to post this due to the "up the dose" quote ;D
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Scientists at University College London found they could alleviate pain in animals with a nasal spray that delivered millions of soluble nanoparticles filled with a natural opioid directly into the brain. In lab tests, the animals showed no signs of becoming tolerant to the compound’s pain-relieving effects, meaning the risk of overdose should be far lower.
The researchers are now raising funds for the first clinical trial in humans to assess the spray’s safety. They will start with healthy volunteers who will receive the nasal spray to see if it helps them endure the pain of immersing one of their arms in ice-cold water.
“If people don’t develop tolerance, you don’t have them always having to up the dose. And if they don’t have to up the dose, they won’t get closer and closer to overdose,” said Ijeoma Uchegbu, a professor of pharmaceutical nanoscience who is leading the research through Nanomerics, a UCL startup
Uchegbu believes the approach is promising because natural opioids seem to work differently in the body to synthetic opioids, such as oxycodone and fentanyl, which are commonly used for moderate to severe pain. While the body quickly becomes tolerant to synthetic opioids, meaning patients need more over time to get the same pain relief, that does not seem to happen with natural opioids.
Scientists have long seen the potential for using natural opioids as painkillers, but have been thwarted by both the compounds and the brain. Inject natural opioids into the bloodstream and they are swiftly broken down in the liver. What is left faces another hurdle in crossing the barrier to the brain that is effective at filtering out the compounds.
Writing in the Journal of Controlled Release, Uchegbu and her team showed they could deliver pain-relieving levels of a natural opioid called enkephalin straight to rats’ brains by encapsulating the chemical in soluble polymer nanoparticles. The tiny capsules provided just enough protection for the opioid to reach parts of the brain where it could block pain perception. Once the particles had dissolved, the breakdown products were excreted from the body.
Uchegbu believes the approach is promising because natural opioids seem to work differently in the body to synthetic opioids, such as oxycodone and fentanyl, which are commonly used for moderate to severe pain. While the body quickly becomes tolerant to synthetic opioids, meaning patients need more over time to get the same pain relief, that does not seem to happen with natural opioids.
Scientists have long seen the potential for using natural opioids as painkillers, but have been thwarted by both the compounds and the brain. Inject natural opioids into the bloodstream and they are swiftly broken down in the liver. What is left faces another hurdle in crossing the barrier to the brain that is effective at filtering out the compounds.
Writing in the Journal of Controlled Release, Uchegbu and her team showed they could deliver pain-relieving levels of a natural opioid called enkephalin straight to rats’ brains by encapsulating the chemical in soluble polymer nanoparticles. The tiny capsules provided just enough protection for the opioid to reach parts of the brain where it could block pain perception. Once the particles had dissolved, the breakdown products were excreted from the body."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/01/natural-painkiller-nasal-spray-could-replace-addictive-opioids-trial-indicates (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/01/natural-painkiller-nasal-spray-could-replace-addictive-opioids-trial-indicates)
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Had to post this due to the "up the dose" quote ;D
"Natural painkiller nasal spray could replace addictive opioids, trial indicates
Risk of overdose could be far lower, say researchers, as fundraising for human clinical trials begins
A nasal spray that delivers a natural painkiller to the brain could transform the lives of patients by replacing the dangerous and addictive prescription opioids that have wreaked havoc in the US and claimed the lives of thousands of people.
Scientists at University College London found they could alleviate pain in animals with a nasal spray that delivered millions of soluble nanoparticles filled with a natural opioid directly into the brain. In lab tests, the animals showed no signs of becoming tolerant to the compound’s pain-relieving effects, meaning the risk of overdose should be far lower.
The researchers are now raising funds for the first clinical trial in humans to assess the spray’s safety. They will start with healthy volunteers who will receive the nasal spray to see if it helps them endure the pain of immersing one of their arms in ice-cold water.
“If people don’t develop tolerance, you don’t have them always having to up the dose. And if they don’t have to up the dose, they won’t get closer and closer to overdose,” said Ijeoma Uchegbu, a professor of pharmaceutical nanoscience who is leading the research through Nanomerics, a UCL startup
Uchegbu believes the approach is promising because natural opioids seem to work differently in the body to synthetic opioids, such as oxycodone and fentanyl, which are commonly used for moderate to severe pain. While the body quickly becomes tolerant to synthetic opioids, meaning patients need more over time to get the same pain relief, that does not seem to happen with natural opioids.
Scientists have long seen the potential for using natural opioids as painkillers, but have been thwarted by both the compounds and the brain. Inject natural opioids into the bloodstream and they are swiftly broken down in the liver. What is left faces another hurdle in crossing the barrier to the brain that is effective at filtering out the compounds.
Writing in the Journal of Controlled Release, Uchegbu and her team showed they could deliver pain-relieving levels of a natural opioid called enkephalin straight to rats’ brains by encapsulating the chemical in soluble polymer nanoparticles. The tiny capsules provided just enough protection for the opioid to reach parts of the brain where it could block pain perception. Once the particles had dissolved, the breakdown products were excreted from the body.
Uchegbu believes the approach is promising because natural opioids seem to work differently in the body to synthetic opioids, such as oxycodone and fentanyl, which are commonly used for moderate to severe pain. While the body quickly becomes tolerant to synthetic opioids, meaning patients need more over time to get the same pain relief, that does not seem to happen with natural opioids.
Scientists have long seen the potential for using natural opioids as painkillers, but have been thwarted by both the compounds and the brain. Inject natural opioids into the bloodstream and they are swiftly broken down in the liver. What is left faces another hurdle in crossing the barrier to the brain that is effective at filtering out the compounds.
Writing in the Journal of Controlled Release, Uchegbu and her team showed they could deliver pain-relieving levels of a natural opioid called enkephalin straight to rats’ brains by encapsulating the chemical in soluble polymer nanoparticles. The tiny capsules provided just enough protection for the opioid to reach parts of the brain where it could block pain perception. Once the particles had dissolved, the breakdown products were excreted from the body."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/01/natural-painkiller-nasal-spray-could-replace-addictive-opioids-trial-indicates (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/01/natural-painkiller-nasal-spray-could-replace-addictive-opioids-trial-indicates)
Skimmed this twice and still haven't found what the actual chemical/drug is
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Skimmed this twice and still haven't found what the actual chemical/drug is
read it properly, its there...
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Skimmed this twice and still haven't found what the actual chemical/drug is
It's in the last para - Enkephalin - ever heard of if?
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/leucine_enkephalin#section=Top (https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/leucine_enkephalin#section=Top)
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It's in the last para - Enkephalin - ever heard of if?
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/leucine_enkephalin#section=Top (https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/leucine_enkephalin#section=Top)
(https://wraygun.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/emerson-v-spoon.gif)
he probably invented it...
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lol a kilo a month - this is physically impossible you would be dead on much smaller dosages than that.
I didn't say I did a kilo a month went through a kilo that's 10,000 doses give or take I probably never took 10grams a month. I would say a gram could potentially kill hospitalis a person
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Anyone here tried Semax or Selank?
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Anyone here tried Semax or Selank?
I used a gram a day of each everyday from 94-2002, I shit out all my internal organs but Im not stupid, I always shit through a tennis racquet which allows me to re-insert them later, I can operate on myself because I have a library which contains a full selection of medical books.
I always have three nurses on standby at all times, I insist they weigh no more than 96.5lbs..
PS I was in prison you know,,,
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I used a gram a day of each everyday from 94-2002, I shit out all my internal organs but Im not stupid, I always shit through a tennis racquet which allows me to re-insert them later, I can operate on myself because I have a library which contains a full selection of medical books.
I always have three nurses on standby at all times, I insist they weigh no more than 96.5lbs..
PS I was in prison you know,,,
But seriously, non-addictive anti-anxiety substances would be highly useful. A lot of interesting stuff available in the US and UK for example, stuff I can't get unless I try to import :'( :D
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Anyone here tried Semax or Selank?
No, and in fact I'd never heard of them until now... but it's made for some interesting Googling thanks - particularly Selank.... Thanks Doc ;) 8)
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non-addictive anti-anxiety substances would be highly useful.
there is only one... p o t
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i was on something called tianeptine most of last year. novel antidepressant that hits opiate receptors felt great on it and not HIGH, just a clear focus and sense of well being just short of euphoria. but the prices have skyrocketed due to chinese import restrictions,
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i was on something called tianeptine most of last year. novel antidepressant that hits opiate receptors felt great on it and not HIGH, just a clear focus and sense of well being just short of euphoria. but the prices have skyrocketed due to chinese import restrictions,
Interesting. Anything that alters serotonin and its buddies suggests a need to taper off when you're done with them. I'm not familiar with the other pathway mentioned below, so how was coming off this stuff...?
"In terms of chemical classification, tianeptine is a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA). However, its pharmacology and effects vary from those of typical antidepressant and anxiolytics[3], mainly in the fact that it is not thought to act immediately through the regulation of monoaminergic neurotransmitters (such as serotonin, dopamine, and noradrenaline.) Rather, tianeptine is theorized to act upon glutamate and glutamatergic mechanisms, causing the brain to adapt more readily to stress and depression.[4]"
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Tianeptine (https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Tianeptine)
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there is only one... p o t
I use it and like it but it can both lower and increase anxiety, sometimes both at the same time :D
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i was on something called tianeptine most of last year. novel antidepressant that hits opiate receptors felt great on it and not HIGH, just a clear focus and sense of well being just short of euphoria. but the prices have skyrocketed due to chinese import restrictions,
I asked about tianeptine experiences on this thread I think.
Unfortunately it seems to be quite addictive, like all really effective drugs seem to be. This is also one I can't get easily.
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But seriously, non-addictive anti-anxiety substances would be highly useful. A lot of interesting stuff available in the US and UK for example, stuff I can't get unless I try to import :'( :D
why doesnt anyone ever say that to our resident billy bullshit when he posts his stories that are even more unbelievable than the satire I posted?
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why doesnt anyone ever say that to our resident billy bullshit when he posts his stories that are even more unbelievable than the satire I posted?
I used a gram a day of each everyday from 94-2002, I shit out all my internal organs but Im not stupid, I always shit through a tennis racquet which allows me to re-insert them later, I can operate on myself because I have a library which contains a full selection of medical books.
I always have three nurses on standby at all times, I insist they weigh no more than 96.5lbs..
PS I was in prison you know,,,
Your obsession with me is pathetic. Can't imagine a life where I'd wake up every morning thinking of another man and displaying it to other men on the internet. Of course I'm not autistic and dont have. Asperger's, nor have I ever had to deal with somebody with your condition in my life, so I can't relate.
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If I had to go to rehab these days, id head to Tijuana for Ibogaine treatment.
These other drugs talked about here are completely new to me (aside from "endorphins" in general).
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When i go to rehab again next month, i will head to Tijuana for Ibogaine treatment.
These other drugs talked about here are completely new to me (aside from "endorphins" in general).
actually contemplating your next trip to rehab and planning it out, fuck me what a pathetic weak willed loser.
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I asked about tianeptine experiences on this thread I think.
Unfortunately it seems to be quite addictive, like all really effective drugs seem to be. This is also one I can't get easily.
UK?
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actually contemplating your next trip to rehab and planning it out, fuck me what a pathetic weak willed loser.
What's it like knowing a 15 year old boy could beat you, a 54yr old "man", senseless?
While you're at it, what's it like only having sex with 2 women in your lifetime?
I'm actually jealous of you, being able to read 2 books at the same time. 1 with each eye.
I guess it's trait that runs in your family. Found a pic of your grandfather. Just gotta figure out where the brilllo-hair trait came from. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST9gG9lqZ7WnaHu6j86rpyhLr5zuu8vCk0FQIHDrdWL_vgMelI)
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What's it like knowing a 15 year old boy could beat you, a 54yr old "man", senseless?
While you're at it, what's it like only having sex with 2 women in your lifetime?
I'm actually jealous of you, being able to read 2 books at the same time. 1 with each eye.
I guess it's trait that runs in your family. Found a pic of your grandfather. Just gotta figure out where the brilllo-hair trait came from. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST9gG9lqZ7WnaHu6j86rpyhLr5zuu8vCk0FQIHDrdWL_vgMelI)
a 15 year old boy wouldn't have to hit you at all, you are already fucking senseless.
I suppose its hard for a man who has zero self worth and self esteem to try and maintain a degree of rationality and always seeks escapism in the form of drink and drugs enough to warrant as many trips in rehab as you obviously need to get any meaningful attention from others.
Its a form of self harm the way you live your life.
I on the other hand am fine thanks..
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I use it and like it but it can both lower and increase anxiety, sometimes both at the same time :D
anxiety is strain dependent, and transient in my experience - passing with continued use
some strains r pure bliss, tho... narcotic, clean, anxiety free. when u hit upon one of these strains.. grow it, and never look back
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a 15 year old boy wouldn't have to hit you at all, you are already fucking senseless.
I suppose its hard for a man who has zero self worth and self esteem to try and maintain a degree of rationality and always seeks escapism in the form of drink and drugs enough to warrant as many trips in rehab as you obviously need to get any meaningful attention from others.
Its a form of self harm the way you live your life.
I on the other hand am fine thanks..
Btw, "seeks escapism in booze and drugs"? Lol you dunce. I TURNED DOWN prescriptions to Percocet, Vicodin, and Tylenol 3 and chose Tramadol because it was touted as being non-narcotic and non addictive. I went to heroin in order to avoid withdrawal because it was the only thing available consistently, and used alcohol 2 deal with heroin withdrawal.
If I wanted "escapism" I would be smoking weed and eating mushrooms. You embarrass yourself when you talk about shit you know absolutely nothing about.
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Btw, "seeks escapism in booze and drugs"? Lol you dunce. I TURNED DOWN prescriptions to Percocet, Vicodin, and Tylenol 3 and chose Tramadol because it was touted as being non-narcotic and non addictive. I went to heroin in order to avoid withdrawal because it was the only thing available consistently, and used alcohol 2 deal with heroin withdrawal.
If I wanted "escapism" I would be smoking weed and eating mushrooms. You embarrass yourself when you talk about shit you know absolutely nothing about.
someone elses fault.. yep, still in denial, rehab is just around the corner yet again...
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someone elses fault.. yep, still in denial, rehab is just around the corner yet again...
Someone else's fault?
Keep on taking about something you're clueless about.
Tell me tramadol wasn't marketed as THE alternative to the typical opiate painkillers because it WAS NOT addictive. Tell us all you don't know what the fuck you're taking about. You fucking dunce.
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Someone else's fault?
Keep on taking about something you're clueless about.
Tell me tramadol wasn't marketed as THE alternative to the typical opiate painkillers because it WAS NOT addictive. Tell us all you don't know what the fuck you're taking about. You fucking dunce.
I have around 500 tramadol in the cupboard, I get them prescribed for my back problem, yes, I can say they are addictive, but I take them sporadically when my back is especially painful, I dont take them all the time because Im not a moron like you and I foresee the dangers, so yes, I do know about pain killers and the potential problems they can cause but Im not stupid enough to fall into the trap of getting addicted.
its not just you who has had first hand experiences.
Im sure you knew the potential problems of Nubain and heroin yet still were dumb enough to take them.
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anxiety is strain dependent, and transient in my experience - passing with continued use
some strains r pure bliss, tho... narcotic, clean, anxiety free. when u hit upon one of these strains.. grow it, and never look back
Sure, but at the same time there are a lot of people who developed an anxiety problem after years of use. Seems pretty common - it was all bliss but then it turned on you and started to cause anxiety, panic, paranoia, derealization and depression. It does work best after a period of daily use but I think it's best to take breaks to avoid the burned out feeling.
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If I wanted "escapism" I would be smoking weed and eating mushrooms. You embarrass yourself when you talk about shit you know absolutely nothing about.
One thought that often comes to me after smoking is "this is not an escape". It increases emotions, both negative and positive, the internal dialogue feels like mental wrestling. I think painkillers and benzos are more escapism as they dull negative emotions, you don't care about nothing. Never tried mushrooms but everyone always stresses set and setting as they can lead you to a mental hell.
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I have around 500 tramadol in the cupboard, I get them prescribed for my back problem, yes, I can say they are addictive, but I take them sporadically when my back is especially painful, I dont take them all the time because Im not a moron like you and I foresee the dangers, so yes, I do know about pain killers and the potential problems they can cause but Im not stupid enough to fall into the trap of getting addicted.
its not just you who has had first hand experiences.
Im sure you knew the potential problems of Nubain and heroin yet still were dumb enough to take them.
"Yes you can say theyre naddictive"?? No you can't. Fucking moron. I'm not talking "oh these feel nice" I mean you get physically ill. Goddamn I can't believe people haven't realized you have Autisim. I'm sure YOU are aware, hence your complete inability to understand the simplest shit while believing you do.
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"Yes you can say theyre naddictive"?? No you can't. Fucking moron. I'm not talking "oh these feel nice" I mean you get physically ill. Goddamn I can't believe people haven't realized you have Autisim. I'm sure YOU are aware, hence your complete inability to understand the simplest shit while believing you do.
you must be the stupidest bastard I have ever had the misfortune to debate with, the "oh this feels nice" develops into "I cant stop", if you don't recognise the signs, its just dumb twats like you that dont recognise the signs.
If you keep taking them beyond the "it feels nice" and keep increasing the dosage then you will develop an addiction.
Any one with a bit of sense would grasp that fact.
Now, if the pain you experience is out weighing the dosage and you still have to take them regardless then you have a problem.
You sir have never had that problem, you are just a weak willed pussy who cant handle the responsibility of life.
Every ounce of you reeks insecurity, its why we have to constant long winded posts about how you have done things better than everyone else.
wake the fuck up and try and build a relationship with your family, Im sure if you apologised for all your past transgressions they would take you back.
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you must be the stupidest bastard I have ever had the misfortune to debate with, the "oh this feels nice" develops into "I cant stop", if you don't recognise the signs, its just dumb twats like you that dont recognise the signs.
If you keep taking them beyond the "it feels nice" and keep increasing the dosage then you will develop an addiction.
Any one with a bit of sense would grasp that fact.
Now, if the pain you experience is out weighing the dosage and you still have to take them regardless then you have a problem.
You sir have never had that problem, you are just a weak willed pussy who cant handle the responsibility of life.
Every ounce of you reeks insecurity, its why we have to constant long winded posts about how you have done things better than everyone else.
wake the fuck up and try and build a relationship with your family, Im sure if you apologised for all your past transgressions they would take you back.
I never tried Heroin, and apparently the stuff on the streets of Florida, are everything, but Heroin. People are dropping like flies. The effects are 'worth' at all?
As far as desire, I cannot lie, if Nubain was still around, Ill give it a shot, cause seems the perfect substance for training purpouses
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it was all bliss but then it turned on you and started to cause anxiety, panic, paranoia, derealization and depression.
I'm gonna go ahead and label any such person a genetic loser.
One thought that often comes to me after smoking is "this is not an escape". It increases emotions, both negative and positive, the internal dialogue feels like mental wrestling.
weed amplifies reality, the opposite of 'escape'... which is why some people freak out, lol
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I never tried Heroin, and apparently the stuff on the streets of Florida, are everything, but Heroin. People are dropping like flies. The effects are 'worth' at all?
As far as desire, I cannot lie, if Nubain was still around, Ill give it a shot, cause seems the perfect substance for training purpouses
It all boils down to the same mechanism of action. If you have been given a morphine/dilaudid shot in the hospital for whatever, you know what heroin feels like.
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I never tried Heroin, and apparently the stuff on the streets of Florida, are everything, but Heroin. People are dropping like flies. The effects are 'worth' at all?
As far as desire, I cannot lie, if Nubain was still around, Ill give it a shot, cause seems the perfect substance for training purpouses
yep, numb your body so you dont realise you are tearing muscles and tendons off the bone.
Perfect.
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I'm gonna go ahead and label any such person a genetic loser.
weed amplifies reality, the opposite of 'escape'... which is why some people freak out, lol
I don't know if I agree. Lots of people experience negative
effects if they use over long periods of time. Some even go so far as to say it's a character defect if you can't handle the weed, like you have lots of unresolved psychological issues. I don't agree, it's just chemistry. THC especially without CBD etc often causes negative emotions, that's what it does.
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yep, numb your body so you dont realise you are tearing muscles and tendons off the bone.
Perfect.
Then how come was soo popular in the 90s, pretty much everyone used them? Ok, a couple of them prolly abused and got injured, but, from what I read, makes the training a lot easier..
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Then how come was soo popular in the 90s, pretty much everyone used them? Ok, a couple of them prolly abused and got injured, but, from what I read, makes the training a lot easier..
Any opiate would. People act like nubain is some holy grail because of its association with pros in the '90s, but its more that it only came in injectable form, so people shot it up. Hell yeah it's going to be good that way, anything would.
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Any opiate would. People act like nubain is some holy grail because of its association with pros in the '90s, but its more that it only came in injectable form, so people shot it up. Hell yeah it's going to be good that way, anything would.
Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!
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Then how come was soo popular in the 90s, pretty much everyone used them? Ok, a couple of them prolly abused and got injured, but, from what I read, makes the training a lot easier..
Never used it but narcotics help in doing boring monotonous activities - such as during contest prep.
Duchaine hypothesized it had a thermogenic effect as well. If narcotics weren't addictive every bodybuilder would use them all the time, they can "help".
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Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!
I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.
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Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!
Yes. DeMayo died of heroin overdose. Prince was supposedly speedballing, shooting coke with the painkillers.
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I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.
The Mark Kerr video/documentary on YT, displays him shooting up Nubain on his vain, at the height of his addiction so many marks, kind of gross and disturbing
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It all boils down to the same mechanism of action. If you have been given a morphine/dilaudid shot in the hospital for whatever, you know what heroin feels like.
I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.
One thought that often comes to me after smoking is "this is not an escape". It increases emotions, both negative and positive, the internal dialogue feels like mental wrestling. I think painkillers and benzos are more escapism as they dull negative emotions, you don't care about nothing. Never tried mushrooms but everyone always stresses set and setting as they can lead you to a mental hell.
Weed made me feel "disconnected". Didn't care for it. Everybody, friends, employees, clients, we're all telling me it works great for insomnia and appetite and anxiety and all that stuff but I got none of that.
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I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.
That's what happened to a lot of us. Nubain wasn't supposed to be addictive, being an opiate Agonist/antagonist. However we were caught off guard and turns out it was horribly addictive with withdrawal lasting much much longer than other opiates (except for Methadone).
Nubain production was halted around 2001-2002 and supplies we're drying up and prices went up like 800% so we either figured out how to come off or a lot of guys switched to oxy which was still pretty new..... Except oxy was expensive and not something that's easy to have a consistent Supply of. So a lot of guys figured out heroin was cheaper and always around... Which is how/why I started using heroin when they scheduled Tramadol.
I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.
Paul (& his wife) already had an opiate problem (Percocet) before nubain came on the scene. He went to prison for a while after an argument with her for shooting guns in the air, was clean for a while, then goes to Nubain... Then oxy, then heroin...and ends up ODing mixing heroin and valium. Most people who OD and die on heroin don't OD on heroin alone, it's almost always when combined with a benzo.
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you must be the stupidest bastard I have ever had the misfortune to debate with, the "oh this feels nice" develops into "I cant stop", if you don't recognise the signs, its just dumb twats like you that dont recognise the signs.
If you keep taking them beyond the "it feels nice" and keep increasing the dosage then you will develop an addiction.
Any one with a bit of sense would grasp that fact.
Now, if the pain you experience is out weighing the dosage and you still have to take them regardless then you have a problem.
You sir have never had that problem, you are just a weak willed pussy who cant handle the responsibility of life.
Every ounce of you reeks insecurity, its why we have to constant long winded posts about how you have done things better than everyone else.
wake the fuck up and try and build a relationship with your family, Im sure if you apologised for all your past transgressions they would take you back.
You're fucking clueless when it comes to this shit. You should just stop talking and fucking up threads when you know absolutely nothing about the subject being discussed
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You're fucking clueless when it comes to this shit. You should just stop talking and fucking up threads when you know absolutely nothing about the subject being discussed
and you are the expert on absofuckinglutly everything.
Wake up loser, you are a fucking waste of resources, a drunk driver who drives his kids around while on a suspended licence, a guy who abuses the health services because you self harm and cant deal with reality.
Your made up fantasy life is fucking bullshit, and your last quote regarding DeMayo is just fucking laughable, although most wont pick up on it, some people on here are as gullible as you think they are, hence your bullshit.
Heres your quote in all its glory
"That's what happened to a lot of us."
Fuck me, you put yourself in the company of pro bodybuilders, you are a fucking stupid delusional waste of space.
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I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.
Weed made me feel "disconnected". Didn't care for it. Everybody, friends, employees, clients, we're all telling me it works great for insomnia and appetite and anxiety and all that stuff but I got none of that.
I had a bad trip once with weed. I was on 40 mgs of Prozac a day, and tried some friend's super weed on a business trip. Almost jumped of the balcony. An urge that lasted for 15 minutes, had to leave the hotel room, and walk around the block for a while. Never used again, at least not while on anti depressants
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I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.
Yeah dilaudid is awesome. It's more of a "head rush" than morphine, which you feel more in your body.
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That's what happened to a lot of us. Nubain wasn't supposed to be addictive, being an opiate Agonist/antagonist. However we were caught off guard and turns out it was horribly addictive with withdrawal lasting much much longer than other opiates (except for Methadone).
Nubain production was halted around 2001-2002 and supplies we're drying up and prices went up like 800% so we either figured out how to come off or a lot of guys switched to oxy which was still pretty new..... Except oxy was expensive and not something that's easy to have a consistent Supply of. So a lot of guys figured out heroin was cheaper and always around... Which is how/why I started using heroin when they scheduled Tramadol.
Paul (& his wife) already had an opiate problem (Percocet) before nubain came on the scene. He went to prison for a while after an argument with her for shooting guns in the air, was clean for a while, then goes to Nubain... Then oxy, then heroin...and ends up ODing mixing heroin and valium. Most people who OD and die on heroin don't OD on heroin alone, it's almost always when combined with a benzo.
https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm
2003 actually.
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it's a character defect if you can't handle the weed
yes... I think u nailed it, all defects stem from genetic degradation. I like where your head is at.
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all addictions that are detrimental to your well being stem from a weakness in your character
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all addictions that are detrimental to your well being stem from a weakness in your character
I suggest that u quit this forum, in that case.
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I suggest that u quit this forum, in that case.
hahahaha...nice one.. ;D
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hahahaha...nice one.. ;D
that goes for all of us, tho lol
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that goes for all of us, tho lol
yep, just think how more productive we could be if we had never discovered this shit hole... ;D
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yep, just think how more productive we could be if we had never discovered this shit hole... ;D
only one way to be sure... I must quit the forum myself. god knows what I'll be able to accomplish.
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only one way to be sure... I must quit the forum myself. god knows what I'll be able to accomplish.
I may become a PT, Im sure I could tag Fabio if he was ever in my area..
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https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm
2003 actually.
Oh, so you were in the US and were in business with Mexican pharmacies too? And were using Nubain in 01? That's right, you weren't. If you were, you'd know Abbott Labs and Astra both stopped producing and shipping before 9/11 and restarted briefly in 02 when Abbott started shipping the 10-pack 10mg/ml Amps. DuPont had been unavailable since early 01.
Seems your know-it-all lack of social skills is common among people with your mental disability.
http://autismteachingstrategies.com/autism-strategies/correcting-others-and-tattling-too-much-social-skills-activities-to-teach-kids-with-autism-who-have-these-problems/
http://theemergencesite.com/Autism-Spectrum/Autism_Spectrum-03_Aspergers_As_Fussy_Word_Disease.html
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=212743
https://thesilentwaveblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/do-aspergers-autistic-people-always-have-to-be-right/
You must be a miserable person to be around. Hence your complete lack of friends.
I'm amazed you ever convinced a woman gonna be sex with you.
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https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm
2003 actually.
Wow yeah he was way off. Good catch.
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Oh, so you were in the US and were in business with Mexican pharmacies too? And were using Nubain in 01? That's right, you weren't. If you were, you'd know Abbott Labs and Astra both stopped producing and shipping before 9/11 and restarted briefly in 02 when Abbott started shipping the 10-pack 10mg/ml Amps. DuPont had been unavailable since early 01.
Seems your know-it-all lack of social skills is common among people with your mental disability.
http://autismteachingstrategies.com/autism-strategies/correcting-others-and-tattling-too-much-social-skills-activities-to-teach-kids-with-autism-who-have-these-problems/
http://theemergencesite.com/Autism-Spectrum/Autism_Spectrum-03_Aspergers_As_Fussy_Word_Disease.html
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=212743
https://thesilentwaveblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/do-aspergers-autistic-people-always-have-to-be-right/
You must be a miserable person to be around. Hence your complete lack of friends.
I'm amazed you ever convinced a woman gonna be sex with you.
No, I was busy as a ski instructor in Klosters , I used to coach the British royal family, Prince Charles was a bit of shit to everyone, especially his family, one time there wasnt enough snow so i went out with a wheel barrow and brought some from the top of the mountain, I managed to bring down 2 million tons in 3 hours, Im a PT you know....
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No, I was busy as a ski instructor in Klosters , I used to coach the British royal family, Prince Charles was a bit of shit to everyone, especially his family, one time there wasnt enough snow so i went out with a wheel barrow and brought some from the top of the mountain, I managed to bring down 2 million tons in 3 hours, Im a PT you know....
You think people can't see what a joke you are?
I make my comments based on actual experience and contribute to discussions. You do not. You troll and ruin every thread you post in.AT 50+ YEARS OLD you do this, and you think people can't see? You think they can't see you're developmentally disabled? Everything you type is a yeast infection.
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You think people can't see what a joke you are?
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Irony of peace.
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You think people can't see what a joke you are?
I make my comments based on actual experience and contribute to discussions. You do not. You troll and ruin every thread you post in.AT 50+ YEARS OLD you do this, and you think people can't see? You think they can't see you're developmentally disabled? Everything you type is a yeast infection.
If your age is correct you were 22 in 2002, now, does it sound reasonable that a 22 year old kid would be in business with Mexican pharmacies and having Nubain addictions along with every other ailment known to man, seriously mate, its either one or the other, you were a switched on business entrepreneur or a washed up drug addict.
I personally know three people who got hooked on Nubain, their lives went down the toilet.
Your whole life is a contradiction, you were a 6gm a day heroin addict whilst simultaneously hiring PTs , running a gym and training people for 16 hours a day, the things don't go hand in hand, do you get my drift.
Either admit that you are a hopeless addict or that you elaborate the truth to appear cool.
I know which one its more likely to be by the way because you are still getting picked up for DUIs at 37 years of age.
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If your age is correct you were 22 in 2002, now, does it sound reasonable that a 22 year old kid would be in business with Mexican pharmacies and having Nubain addictions along with every other ailment known to man, seriously mate, its either one or the other, you were a switched on business entrepreneur or a washed up drug addict.
I personally know three people who got hooked on Nubain, their lives went down the toilet.
Your whole life is a contradiction, you were a 6gm a day heroin addict whilst simultaneously hiring PTs , running a gym and training people for 16 hours a day, the things don't go hand in hand, do you get my drift.
Either admit that you are a hopeless addict or that you elaborate the truth to appear cool.
I know which one its more likely to be by the way because you are still getting picked up for DUIs at 37 years of age.
Again, talking about things you know NOTHING about.
You say i couldnt possibly have business arrangements with a Mexican pharmacy at 22 because YOU didn't, couldn't, and cannot do anything of the sort.
Your claim to "personally know" 3 people who's live "went down the toilet" because of Nubain, Then EVERYBODY must have the exact experience.
Same with the heroin use. You seem to claim everybody using heroin must be homeless and beggingnl for change, they can't possibly run s business or 2 or 3 and taken care of obligations.....
You make these statements based on shit you see in movies, with ZERO experience.
YOU can't do it because you have a developmental disability and have never developed the social skills needed to run a business because you would need to interact with other people. Something YOU cannot do and have never been able to do, and you think since YOU cabt do it, surely I can't either.
How the fuck do you think I could afford to pay for the heroin? You fucking dunce. Roughly 1800-1900 a week on top of all my other bills, food, and gas.
If I'm such a "hopeless addict", tell me, in detail, why I've been clean since April 14 2016. I'm curious how that works.
The truth is, you have a developmental disability. A mental handicap that eliminates any possibility of you ever developing social skills and being successful in any career that would require you to interact with other people, but you lie to yourself and say you don't have any friends and don't associate with anybody because you choose not to. When you see somebody like me who actually does shit and has had Life Experiences that you've never had, jealousy takes over and it's easier for you to dismiss whatever it is I say and paint your own version of My Life, then admit your situation. That all through school, you were one of the slow kids. One of the kids who was always by themselves. If you were born 10 years later, you would have been in special ed and taken a short bus to school.
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Again, talking about things you know NOTHING about.
You say i couldnt possibly have business arrangements with a Mexican pharmacy at 22 because YOU didn't, couldn't, and cannot do anything of the sort.
Your claim to "personally know" 3 people who's live "went down the toilet" because of Nubain, Then EVERYBODY must have the exact experience.
Same with the heroin use. You seem to claim everybody using heroin must be homeless and beggingnl for change, they can't possibly run s business or 2 or 3 and taken care of obligations.....
You make these statements based on shit you see in movies, with ZERO experience.
YOU can't do it because you have a developmental disability and have never developed the social skills needed to run a business because you would need to interact with other people. Something YOU cannot do and have never been able to do, and you think since YOU cabt do it, surely I can't either.
How the fuck do you think I could afford to pay for the heroin? You fucking dunce. Roughly 1800-1900 a week on top of all my other bills, food, and gas.
If I'm such a "hopeless addict", tell me, in detail, why I've been clean since April 14 2016. I'm curious how that works.
The truth is, you have a developmental disability. A mental handicap that eliminates any possibility of you ever developing social skills and being successful in any career that would require you to interact with other people, but you lie to yourself and say you don't have any friends and don't associate with anybody because you choose not to. When you see somebody like me who actually does shit and has had Life Experiences that you've never had, jealousy takes over and it's easier for you to dismiss whatever it is I say and paint your own version of My Life, then admit your situation. That all through school, you were one of the slow kids. One of the kids who was always by themselves. If you were born 10 years later, you would have been in special ed and taken a short bus to school.
Why are you asking me to counter stories that as far as I know have no bearing in reality.
We only have your word about all the nonsense you post.
Sure, you spend $78 k on heroin using 6gms a day and it has no impact on your life and you are able to operate a gym and PT business 16 hours a day , yep that sounds reasonable.
You used Nubain and claim to have got addicted to it yet it had no negative impact on your life?
Which is it, were you addicted to these things or were you a casual user?
anyone using 6gms of Heroin a day would be a shambles, the only way you wouldn't be is if the gear was bunk, and having informed everyone of your 6gms of steroids and the way you look while using it, it looks like you have been someone's mug all your life.
You are the shitty scroat who everyone else laughs at and sells bunk gear because you are so eager to fit in you will accept being shit on.
And yes, you are a hopeless addict, you yourself have posted all the evidence for that, your endless stays in rehab and hospital, your multiple DUIs.
You may be not be hooked on anything at the moment but its simply "a moment of clarity" before the haze descends again.
And as for me having autism, I would choose being Rainman before I had to endure your life.
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Jesus Jeff leave it alone who gives a fuck. Why do you let some stranger on the internets get you so upset. You look like a nutcase trying to refute everything. You should permanently retire from here or get a grip. Every thread turns into you two idiots going back and forth for pages.
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Jesus Jeff leave it alone who gives a fuck. Why do you let some stranger on the internets get you so upset. You look like a nutcase trying to refute everything. You should permanently retire from here or get a grip. Every thread turns into you two idiots going back and forth for pages.
you're right mate, I will leave him alone and just keep my log for my show prep, the guys mentally ill, Im sane, so whos the idiot, yep, me.
I can have his mental delusions, happy reading.
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only one way to be sure... I must quit the forum myself. god knows what I'll be able to accomplish.
so far... I have been unsuccessful, lol
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Why are you asking me to counter stories that as far as I know have no bearing in reality.
We only have your word about all the nonsense you post.
Sure, you spend $78 k on heroin using 6gms a day and it has no impact on your life and you are able to operate a gym and PT business 16 hours a day , yep that sounds reasonable.
You used Nubain and claim to have got addicted to it yet it had no negative impact on your life?
Which is it, were you addicted to these things or were you a casual user?
anyone using 6gms of Heroin a day would be a shambles, the only way you wouldn't be is if the gear was bunk, and having informed everyone of your 6gms of steroids and the way you look while using it, it looks like you have been someone's mug all your life.
You are the shitty scroat who everyone else laughs at and sells bunk gear because you are so eager to fit in you will accept being shit on.
And yes, you are a hopeless addict, you yourself have posted all the evidence for that, your endless stays in rehab and hospital, your multiple DUIs.
You may be not be hooked on anything at the moment but its simply "a moment of clarity" before the haze descends again.
And as for me having autism, I would choose being Rainman before I had to endure your life.
lol you paint your own version of my life that you want to be true so badly.
Now you're claiming I said I wasn't addicted to Nubain and that i said it had no negative impact on my life?
Lol what the fuck is wrong with you? You have a mental defect . Seriously
You also convince yourself that you know what i was taking and when. Saying I claimed to.be using heroin the same time as I was running 4g test snd 2g deca, as if you know better than I what I was on and when.
There's a term for people who use arguments like that... Who completrly change the facts and claim I said things I didn't. Its pathetic. Especially for somebody in their 50s. Even for somebody who mentally handicapped.
And "endless stays in rehab"? Hahaha... Rehab twice in 2016 and a surgery in 2017 from a shot of deca... Prime example of what I just said above. You're like a little girl, gossiping in a middle school cafeteria.
Asperger's Syndrome arguing:
"This is another big sign that someone is on the autistic spectrum, even if only mildly. I think there are several reasons that people with ASD will regularly argue with others.
Their lack of perception will prevent them from recognising when and where is not the right time and place to get into an argument.
They have an inability to gauge possible outcomes, or even think of any consequencies at all. AKA Foot-in-Mouth syndrome. Most people who argue a lot do not think first how the other person will react. If they did stop to think, they often would bite their tongue.
People with aspergers in particular can be exceptionally pedantic and will often argue over subjects that seem important to them, but to everyone else appear to be very petty things.
When a heated argument takes place, emotions are high and control is lost. We have all witnessed people who continue arguing about the same subject, repeating themselves and just shouting over the other person. They each have no interest in listening; only shouting. Prolonged arguments of this nature are likely to be between two people with aspergers and/or ADHD"
Looks like your "wife" even posted a reply here:
"BC says:
March 6, 2013 at 11:34 pm
I’ve been married to a man for over a decade and I now realize he is very likely an Aspie. All this time I’ve wanted to divorce this odd, argumentative, uncooperative, oppositional, negative, critical, intolerant, emotionally immature , childish and often highly unpleasant man. But I’d stay because he’s brilliant, incredibly talented, versatile, funny, loves animals and science and psychology like I do and I’m dysfunctional and co-dependent anyway. I couldn’t understand why he was so inept at flirting and acted so strange when I’d initiate affection and sex yet he’s a skillful lover once you get past his oddness and initial objections. He would lash out at people and be a jerk and then later his version would have the other person attacking him. He denies saying and doing things. He tries to tell me the problem is not him or his behavior, it’s my perceptions. Why is he so wonderful when he’s good and so horrifying when he’s bad? Then I discovered sites like this one."
Fuck off to an Autisim forum where you can play with people of your own kind.
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How do you two combine this posting with paying the bills? Time seems limitless.
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Jesus Jeff leave it alone who gives a fuck. Why do you let some stranger on the internets get you so upset. You look like a nutcase trying to refute everything. You should permanently retire from here or get a grip. Every thread turns into you two idiots going back and forth for pages.
Yep, no reason for fights here. Unless Sexy Beast post nonsense stuff, like his love for serial killers
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But I’d stay because he’s brilliant, incredibly talented, versatile, funny, loves animals and science and psychology like I do and I’m dysfunctional and co-dependent anyway. he’s a skillful lover once you get past his oddness and initial objections.
That couldnt ever be said about you, seems my curse is also my gift... ;)
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you're right mate, I will leave him alone and just keep my log for my show prep, the guys mentally ill, Im sane, so whos the idiot, yep, me.
I can have his mental delusions, happy reading.
Did you say show prep? what youre running? Is gear legal over the counter in England??
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Did you say show prep? what youre running? Is gear legal over the counter in England??
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=642239.0
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=642239.0
Cool, Man, you are looking great, but theres something important missin on that board...
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Yes. DeMayo died of heroin overdose. Prince was supposedly speedballing, shooting coke with the painkillers.
Update on Prince - not so sure about the coke, but he sure liked his opiates... :o
Experts: Prince toxicology report shows very high drug level
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A toxicology report from Prince’s autopsy, obtained Monday by The Associated Press, shows he had what multiple experts called an “exceedingly high” concentration of fentanyl in his body when he died.
Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at his Paisley Park estate on April 21, 2016. Public data released six weeks after his death showed he died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl, a synthetic opioid 50 times more powerful than heroin.
A confidential toxicology report obtained by the AP provides some insight into just how much fentanyl was in his system. Experts who are not connected to the Prince investigation said the numbers leave no doubt that fentanyl killed him.
“The amount in his blood is exceedingly high, even for somebody who is a chronic pain patient on fentanyl patches,” said Dr. Lewis Nelson, chairman of emergency medicine at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. He called the fentanyl concentrations “a pretty clear smoking gun.”
The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince’s blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. The report explains that fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per liter.
The report also says the level of fentanyl in Prince’s liver was 450 micrograms per kilogram, and notes that liver concentrations greater than 69 micrograms per kilogram “seem to represent overdose or fatal toxicity cases.”
There was also what experts called a potentially lethal amount of fentanyl in Prince’s stomach. Dr. Charles McKay, president of the American College of Medical Toxicology, said generally speaking, the findings suggest Prince took the drug orally, while fentanyl in the blood and liver suggest it had some time to circulate before he died.
Experts say there is no “lethal level” at which fentanyl can kill. A person who takes prescription opioids for a long time builds up a tolerance, and a dose that could kill one person might help another.
Search warrants released about a year after Prince’s death showed authorities found numerous pills in various containers around his home. A lab report obtained by the AP shows many of the pills tested positive for fentanyl and other drugs. Information that has been released publicly indicates the source of those drugs hasn’t been determined.
Last week, the lead prosecutor in the county where Prince died said in a statement that he was reviewing law enforcement reports and would make a decision on whether to charge anyone “in the near future.”
https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6/Experts:-Prince-toxicology-report-shows-very-high-drug-level (https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6/Experts:-Prince-toxicology-report-shows-very-high-drug-level)
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Fully aware that they're all 3 CNS depressants.
Looking only for personal experiences.
Thank you.
Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!
Very dangerous.
It depends on how much shit your body can take but you cant do this mix very long without dieing.
I talk from experience since 21 of my friends are dead now and i was very close myself 7 years ago. Today im in a subutex rehab program. I go 4 times aweek and get 20 mg of subutex aday. That keeps me of the really bad stuff.
I hope you dont do this mix to often because it will kill you bro!
Please give me a pm if you need help.
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Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!
Very dangerous.
It depends on how much shit your body can take but you cant do this mix very long without dieing.
I talk from experience since 21 of my friends are dead now and i was very close myself 7 years ago. Today im in a subutex rehab program. I go 4 times aweek and get 20 mg of subutex aday. That keeps me of the really bad stuff.
I hope you dont do this mix to often because it will kill you bro!
Please give me a pm if you need help.
Do you meet any interesting people in rehab? Maybe people with famous brothers or sisters? It would be interesting to find out what they were like to friends - or even family...
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Not really. Its not like i ask people too many questions. I go there four times aweek and get my meds. At random they can ask you to leave a test. One time a month they check your bloodwork for how much alcohol you consume. If levels go to high they kick you out. So its very monitored. Its not just get some shit and leave...
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Do you meet any interesting people in rehab? Maybe people with famous brothers or sisters? It would be interesting to find out what they were like to friends - or even family...
A lot of that depends on where the rehab is.. Los Angeles for example is gonna have more "famous"" or semi-famous people since they won't wanna be to far from "work". Buddy of mine from my 1st rehab had Steve-O as a sponsor. Met him when he came back to the rehab for an "alumni" thing as he'd been through that rehab a few yrs prior. Had to drop him as a sponsor because Steve-o was always to busy and hard to get on the phone (this guy lived in Houston at the time. Insurances will usually want you to go as far as possible from where you live). Another guy had Scott Weiland's brother as a sponsor for a while.
Spend a week in LA going to AA meetings every night, especially in Hollywood or Mailbu (palisades), and you'll run into at least 3 "famous" people.. Usually just there blending in with everybody else. Especially on Friday and Saturday nights, when it's kinda "trendy" and 2/3s people dress up like they're going out to a club, huddled outside blowing huge clouds from their Vapes, the other 1/3 are kids (well, 18-23) are there in regular clothes and bused in with a dozen others from a "treatment facility"(rehab). "Famous" people usually come in early and save a seat and disappear and come back right when the meeting starts. They don't hang out outside with the other 50-200 people sucking on their Vapes.
What this guy's in just sounds like a suboxone program or outpatient rehab.. Maybe even IOP ( intensive outpatient program) where you get like homework and stuff. I remember trying to get into one for methadone before I went to an actual rehab. All you did was show up every morning at 6-7am, stand in line, pay your $22 & get your daily dose and leave... Except there was a 2 or 3 month waiting list. lol. I got a call saying I was accepted the day I was leaving for rehab 6 weeks later.
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A lot of that depends on where the rehab is.. Los Angeles for example is gonna have more "famous"" or semi-famous people since they won't wanna be to far from "work". Buddy of mine from my 1st rehab had Steve-O as a sponsor. Met him when he came back to the rehab for an "alumni" thing as he'd been through that rehab a few yrs prior. Had to drop him as a sponsor because Steve-o was always to busy and hard to get on the phone (this guy lived in Houston at the time. Insurances will usually want you to go as far as possible from where you live). Another guy had Scott Weiland's brother as a sponsor for a while.
Spend a week in LA going to AA meetings every night, especially in Hollywood or Mailbu (palisades), and you'll run into at least 3 "famous" people.. Usually just there blending in with everybody else. Especially on Friday and Saturday nights, when it's kinda "trendy" and 2/3s people dress up like they're going out to a club, huddled outside blowing huge clouds from their Vapes, the other 1/3 are kids (well, 18-23) are there in regular clothes and bused in with a dozen others from a "treatment facility"(rehab). "Famous" people usually come in early and save a seat and disappear and come back right when the meeting starts. They don't hang out outside with the other 50-200 people sucking on their Vapes.
What this guy's in just sounds like a suboxone program or outpatient rehab.. Maybe even IOP ( intensive outpatient program) where you get like homework and stuff. I remember trying to get into one for methadone before I went to an actual rehab. All you did was show up every morning at 6-7am, stand in line, pay your $22 & get your daily dose and leave... Except there was a 2 or 3 month waiting list. lol. I got a call saying I was accepted the day I was leaving for rehab 6 weeks later.
ya think?
Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!
Very dangerous.
It depends on how much shit your body can take but you cant do this mix very long without dieing.
I talk from experience since 21 of my friends are dead now and i was very close myself 7 years ago. Today im in a subutex rehab program. I go 4 times aweek and get 20 mg of subutex aday. That keeps me of the really bad stuff.
I hope you dont do this mix to often because it will kill you bro!
Please give me a pm if you need help.
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ya think?
You're trying to argue and troll what exactly?
Fuck you're pathetic.
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You're trying to argue and troll what exactly?
Fuck you're pathetic.
I have no intention of arguing with you at all, I was highlighting the fact you didnt read his post before coming to your assumption.
Get well soon Eric..
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Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!
Very dangerous.
It depends on how much shit your body can take but you cant do this mix very long without dieing.
I talk from experience since 21 of my friends are dead now and i was very close myself 7 years ago. Today im in a subutex rehab program. I go 4 times aweek and get 20 mg of subutex aday. That keeps me of the really bad stuff.
I hope you dont do this mix to often because it will kill you bro!
Please give me a pm if you need help.
Thats allot of subs per day. How much dope/opiates were you doing every day?
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Not really. Its not like i ask people too many questions. I go there four times aweek and get my meds. At random they can ask you to leave a test. One time a month they check your bloodwork for how much alcohol you consume. If levels go to high they kick you out. So its very monitored. Its not just get some shit and leave...
Have you looked into finding a reg Doc and get a monthly script? Why not suboxone?
I only ask because I’ve never heard of a subutex clinic, only a methadone clinic. When I went into treatment in 2011 they gave us subutex twice daily but recommended a suboxone Doc when I was discharged.
20 mg does sound high but I know every Doc is different. 8 mg was what I was on and I was snorting like 300mg of oxy daily.
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I have no intention of arguing with you at all, I was highlighting the fact you didnt read his post before coming to your assumption.
Get well soon Eric..
I didn't assume anything.
I am well.
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Have you looked into finding a reg Doc and get a monthly script? Why not suboxone?
I only ask because I’ve never heard of a subutex clinic, only a methadone clinic. When I went into treatment in 2011 they gave us subutex twice daily but recommended a suboxone Doc when I was discharged.
20 mg does sound high but I know every Doc is different. 8 mg was what I was on and I was snorting like 300mg of oxy daily.
Some insurance will only cover Subutex instead of suboxone, that's how mine was. Paid out of pocket for suboxone for like 3 or 4 months before the approval finally came from blue shield for Subutex, even with PPO.
20mg isn't too high, at least not starting out. I started at 32mg and stayed at that for about a month before dropping to 24, then 16, then to 8 by the time I was actually in rehab... in rehab they took me down from 8 to 0 in about 10days. lol only fucked up twice and had precipitated withdrawal
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Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!
Very dangerous.
Correct, NotMrAverage.
Combining multiple depressants is always a risk. Two is risky - let alone three.
It's just a bad idea.
But if you MUST do this - and again, it's a bad idea - then my recommendation is to do ONE of the three depressants at a rate that you can experience the euphoria of that drug, and enjoy it. From there, add VERY SMALL QUANTITIES of a second depressant.
I can't even condone a third depressant - even two is risky, and can quickly escalate to higher quantities of two or even three of the substances. But if you MUST add a third depressant, once again - add it in VERY SMALL QUANTITIES.
Once again - only take ONE of the three depressants/drugs in the quantity that you would enjoy it. Basically make that the substance you intend to mostly enjoy for the night. Then use VERY SMALL QUANTITIES of any further depressants to simply potentiate that first depressant.
Again, it can't be stressed enough how dangerous this mix can be.
They say that speed balls are dangerous because combining uppers and downers "pulls your heard in two different directions". But that is NOT true. The reality of the danger with speed balls is that people will do too much of an upper - such as cocaine - and then once that wears off due to having a shorter half life, the full effects of the depressant - such as heroin or another opiate - will kick in fully, resulting in respiratory depression.
Basically, the stimulant masks the depressant, and since the stimulant is normally cocaine and wears off quickly, the full effects of the depressant come out in full force, and the person dies from respiratory and cardiovascular depression.
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I didn't assume anything.
I am well.
glad to hear it...
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...the danger with speed balls is that people will do too much of an upper - such as cocaine - and then once that wears off due to having a shorter half life, the full effects of the depressant - such as heroin or another opiate - will kick in fully, resulting in respiratory depression.
Basically, the stimulant masks the depressant, and since the stimulant is normally cocaine and wears off quickly, the full effects of the depressant come out in full force, and the person dies from respiratory and cardiovascular depression.
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Bingo. I had just looked up his Wiki page today with the mother of my first two children. Sad that he and Chris Farley both died at 33, and both of the same cause - a speed ball. The only difference was that Belushi used heroin as a depressant, whereas Farley used morphine.
I was showing her the part of Belushi's Wiki page where it said that a woman from Ontario, Canada [the province we live in] was convicted due to her role in providing Belushi the drugs! :o I had no idea that was even a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Belushi#Death
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Have you looked into finding a reg Doc and get a monthly script? Why not suboxone?
I only ask because I’ve never heard of a subutex clinic, only a methadone clinic. When I went into treatment in 2011 they gave us subutex twice daily but recommended a suboxone Doc when I was discharged.
20 mg does sound high but I know every Doc is different. 8 mg was what I was on and I was snorting like 300mg of oxy daily.
Yup 8mg is plenty
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8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.
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8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.
Exactly. Had doctor prescribe me as high as 21mgs and felt no difference between 8, 16, or 21. Start at 8 and taper quick because the withdrawals are worse than dope if you stay on too long
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8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.
I used to take 3gms a day....
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I have done it all 2-20mg. Even as high as 24mg. But the only thing that happens after 8mg is you get a prolonged / depot effect really. But the only reason why i stay on it is not to relapse into hardcore opiates again. Its kinda a bitch to go to that clinic 4 times aweek and leave a ton of tests. But i am glad i got my life back again. I was rushed into emergency 3 times because of od when i did the morphine and oxys. Never been to emergancy since i started subs. I think you need to see it as a lifelong discese really and medicate with the least harmfull alternative you can find.
Subs are extremally hard to od on. You only get depot effect with extra mgs. With methadone its alot more risks but its also way more powerfull. Subs give you about 10% of the effect methadone gives.
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I have done it all 2-20mg. Even as high as 24mg. But the only thing that happens after 8mg is you get a prolonged / depot effect really. But the only reason why i stay on it is not to relapse into hardcore opiates again. Its kinda a bitch to go to that clinic 4 times aweek and leave a ton of tests. But i am glad i got my life back again. I was rushed into emergency 3 times because of od when i did the morphine and oxys. Never been to emergancy since i started subs. I think you need to see it as a lifelong discese really and medicate with the least harmfull alternative you can find.
Subs are extremally hard to od on. You only get depot effect with extra mgs. With methadone its alot more risks but its also way more powerfull. Subs give you about 10% of the effect methadone gives.
Sub withdrawal is no joke though. Remember that you will always have that hanging over your head. I was in jail a few months back on a warrant overnight and I could hear a kid a few cells down that was about to run out of his suboxone. The jailer asked if he wanted his last dose of it and the kid said he wanted to wait as long as possible to save it. I could hear him moaning and shit all night. Kept me up.
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Yeah i know. Thats why i stay on. I just get it for free. I cant say i feel anything from it more than being normal. Maybe kratom or something would work good but i doubt it.
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You can use neurontin or lyrica to get off opiates. At high doses they eliminate all withdrawal, no joke.
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You can use neurontin or lyrica to get off opiates. At high doses they eliminate all withdrawal, no joke.
so where in jail overnight or not?
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so where in jail overnight or not?
Huh?
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Huh?
sorry mate, someone just posted about being in jail overnight with a moaning drug adddict in the next cell, I thought it was this thread..its either in another thread or they deleted it from here.
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Exactly. Had doctor prescribe me as high as 21mgs and felt no difference between 8, 16, or 21. Start at 8 and taper quick because the withdrawals are worse than dope if you stay on too long
How are you guys getting 20 or 21mgs? Thought subs only came in 2 and 8mg?? Seem like odd dosing and a lot kf tabs to get 20 or 21mg.
Never had any withdrawal from bupe, or any "high", even at 32mg.. Even 8mg iv, IM or sub-q. No withdrawal when going from 8mg to zero overnthe course of 7-10 days, and I was on for over 3months, maybe 6? I forget.
Far as gabapentin or lyrica working for withdrawal, it may work 4 Milder "habits", but I don't remember it doing much for me and I was on 800 gabapentin 3x a day. Only used lyrica a few times and didnt care for it. Felt way different than neurontin. Reminded me of Flexeril, feeling slow and stupid.
If I were to detox without subs, using only shit easily available from a doctor, itd be gabapentin 400mg+ , 20-40mg baclofen, and .2-.3mg clonidine all 3-4x a day... Oh, and 30mg Imodium-AD 3x a day as well, since technically its an opiate that doesn't.cross the BBB.... I suppose ultram/tramadol is still easy to get since Dr's still don't think of it like Vicodin or Percocet, so you could take 8 of those a day (1every 30mins for the first 2hrs of the day, then a couple hr break and repeat, since tramadol is tramadol needs to be metabolized into "O-desmethyltramadol" or whatever its called to really occupy opiate receptors and your body only has so much of the CYD (??) Enzyme, you gotta space the dosages. The ODesmethyl metabolite is 8-10x stringer affinity than tramadol at the receptor.)... 8tabs being 400mg, any more than that isn't recommended because of seizure risk... Wouldn't run the tramadol more than a couple weeks though. Ideally a week. Tramadol withdrawal was worse than heroin withdrawal for me... Actually tramadol withdrawal is what led me to heroin in the first place.
And far as speedballs, heroin half-life is short as well, so its not gonna outlast shooting coke I.v usually. When people OD and die, its usually involving benzos.
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Yeah i know. Thats why i stay on. I just get it for free. I cant say i feel anything from it more than being normal. Maybe kratom or something would work good but i doubt it.
The people who say Kratom use works for opiate withdrawal most only have been taking two or three Percocet a day, cuz even at 30 grams in one sitting Kratom didn't do s*** for me no matter what strain it was
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The people who say Kratom use works for opiate withdrawal most only have been taking two or three Percocet a day, cuz even at 30 grams in one sitting Kratom didn't do s*** for me no matter what strain it was
There is an opioid antagonist in Kratom which means it works better if you take less....most people who take large dosages get better results by not being idiots and using less.
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There is an opioid antagonist in Kratom which means it works better if you take less....most people who take large dosages get better results by not being idiots and using less.
There is no opiate antagonist in kratom.
Fuck, you don't even know what an opiate antagonist is. You're just retyping a hit you googled mins prior to posting. Fucking pathetic.
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Sub withdrawal is no joke though. Remember that you will always have that hanging over your head. I was in jail a few months back on a warrant overnight and I could hear a kid a few cells down that was about to run out of his suboxone. The jailer asked if he wanted his last dose of it and the kid said he wanted to wait as long as possible to save it. I could hear him moaning and shit all night. Kept me up.
What was your warrant for that they would lock you up?
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There is no opiate antagonist in kratom.
Fuck, you don't even know what an opiate antagonist is. You're just retyping a hit you googled mins prior to posting. Fucking pathetic.
I suppose you have evidence to back that up?
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I get my subs free from my doctor. I am in what they call a subutex rehab program.
I go there 4 times aweek and get my meds and have to take them in front of the staff so it wont leak out. I started going ed for 3 months but since i have not had any slips i only need to go 4 times aweek now.
About two times aweek they do urine tests. Everyday you need to do the alcometer.
I recently got my dose raised from 16-20mg. I must say i feel alittle better. I do not have any cravings at all for opiates.
Now i would like to get something else like aderall or something like that. Other people in my clinic gets that and i was quite amazed when i tried how much better i could manage my day.
Do anyone of you guys use adhd meds?
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What was your warrant for that they would lock you up?
Well it was just overnight because you can't see a judge at 7pm, but driving on suspended license.
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I get my subs free from my doctor. I am in what they call a subutex rehab program.
I go there 4 times aweek and get my meds and have to take them in front of the staff so it wont leak out. I started going ed for 3 months but since i have not had any slips i only need to go 4 times aweek now.
About two times aweek they do urine tests. Everyday you need to do the alcometer.
I recently got my dose raised from 16-20mg. I must say i feel alittle better. I do not have any cravings at all for opiates.
Now i would like to get something else like aderall or something like that. Other people in my clinic gets that and i was quite amazed when i tried how much better i could manage my day.
Do anyone of you guys use adhd meds?
Yes for 10 years now. Are you adhd diagnosed?
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Yes for 10 years now. Are you adhd diagnosed?
he will get back to you later hes just watching a wasp fly around his conservatory....
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he will get back to you later hes just watching a wasp fly around his conservatory....
This is some kind of weird movie reference, right?
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This is some kind of weird movie reference, right?
adhd... people cant concentrate , mind wanders?
Take one of your tablets , you may pick things up better.
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Yes for 10 years now. Are you adhd diagnosed?
No not yet. I know im add though. What meds do you get and do they work good for you?
I have tried them all at one time or another but i think the amphetamine based version either fast or long acting seems to work the best. But i have friends that seem to work well on methylphenidate too. I am friends with former ifbb pro Mats Kardell and he really got his life together on methylphenidate. He struggled alot with heavy depression after he retiered from bodybuilding.
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adhd... people cant concentrate , mind wanders?
Take one of your tablets , you may pick things up better.
Choke on a pringle.
Go grow some hams pancake ass.
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Choke on a pringle.
Go grow some hams pancake ass.
;D
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Very interesting (and short) explanation of the various opiate strengths... 8)
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IV Hydromorphone is the strongest one I've ever experienced. I was given IV fentanyl once before going into a surgery and it was underwhelming (I may have mentioned that earlier in the thread).
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Hydrocodone i believe its called vicodin is the strongest shit i ever did. Also Oxycodone is pretty fucking crazy... Glad i stopped it since seven years now.
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BB related due to the mention of UGL gear... ;D
Prince's family suing hospital that treated singer for initial opioid overdose
Prince’s next of kin are suing the hospital that treated the musician for an opioid overdose a week prior to his death, the New York Times reports. Last week, Minnesota authorities ruled there would be no criminal charges related to Prince’s fatal overdose in 2016. Prosecutors believe that on 15 April 2016 Prince likely overdosed on counterfeit Vicodin that also contained the powerful synthetic opioid fentanyl. This was the same drug that caused his death at his Paisley Park estate five days later.
In the lawsuit, his family claim the singer received improper medical care at Trinity Medical Center after his plane made an emergency landing in Moline, Illinois, on 15 April 2016. They argue that his death was a “direct and proximate cause” of the hospital failing to recognise and treat the overdose, in addition to failing to investigate the cause and provide appropriate counselling. It was initially reported that the emergency landing was due to Prince suffering from flu.
The musician’s next of kin are also suing pharmacy Walgreens, while new music from the late artist is expected this September
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/24/prince-family-suing-hospital-that-treated-singer-for-initial-opioid-overdose (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/24/prince-family-suing-hospital-that-treated-singer-for-initial-opioid-overdose)
So a lawsuit and an album... none of it is about the money though... ::)
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"What Do We Know about Opioids and the Kidney?
Mary Mallappallil, Jacob Sabu, Eli A. Friedman and Moro Salifu
Department of Internal Medicine, State University of New York at Downstate, Brooklyn, New York, NY 11203,
Abstract: Evidence suggests a link between opioid use and kidney disease. This review summarizes the known renal manifestations of opioid use including its role in acute and chronic kidney injury. Both the direct and indirect effects of the drug, and the context which leads to the development of renal failure, are explored. While commonly used safely for pain control and anesthesia in those with kidney disease, the concerns with respect to side effects and toxicity of opioids are addressed. This is
especially relevant with the worldwide increase in the use of opioids for medical and recreational use"
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf (https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf)
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"What Do We Know about Opioids and the Kidney?
Mary Mallappallil, Jacob Sabu, Eli A. Friedman and Moro Salifu
Department of Internal Medicine, State University of New York at Downstate, Brooklyn, New York, NY 11203,
Abstract: Evidence suggests a link between opioid use and kidney disease. This review summarizes the known renal manifestations of opioid use including its role in acute and chronic kidney injury. Both the direct and indirect effects of the drug, and the context which leads to the development of renal failure, are explored. While commonly used safely for pain control and anesthesia in those with kidney disease, the concerns with respect to side effects and toxicity of opioids are addressed. This is
especially relevant with the worldwide increase in the use of opioids for medical and recreational use"
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf (https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf)
Interesting stuff, but from what I can tell no real causal link is established. But interesting how they affect various systems and the kidneys.
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Interesting stuff, but from what I can tell no real causal link is established. But interesting how they affect various systems and the kidneys.
Agree with both points. (Urinary retention, anyone..?)