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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Melvin Goodrum on March 21, 2008, 06:52:54 AM
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Just passing along this message. She says that any "competitor" who competes at this event will most likely not be blackballed from "competition" since no-one cares much about the show and the fact that they are charging a whooping 249.99 to every competitior just to compete however the show who be attended by an "official" who will be obtaining the names of all the competitors in the event for clerical purposes.
Don't know what this means but seeing as how I'll never grace an IFBB stage, I may just do the event...... ;D
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IMO, if the IFBB is willing to make the "Don't compete in this show" the top news item on their PRO home page, chances are the NPC means business on this one.
I wouldn't do it if I was an NPC competitor.
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Just passing along this message. She says that any "competitor" who competes at this event will most likely not be blackballed from "competition" since no-one cares much about the show and the fact that they are charging a whooping 249.99 to every competitior just to compete however the show who be attended by an "official" who will be obtaining the names of all the competitors in the event for clerical purposes.
that would be in violation of a 1982 court order (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement) that is still in effect against Jim Manion and the NPC.
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I may just do the event...... ;D
What in the capacity of a janitor?
Stop making an ass of yourself, you fuckwit
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What in the capacity of a janitor?
Stop making an ass of yourself, you fuckwit
No think about it, charging that much money would problably wittle down the competition to about 5 people.
Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
With that they would have no choice but to award me the Overall Title
Melvin Goodrum - 2008 B&A International Classic Champion.
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No think about it, charging that much money would problably wittle down the competition to about 5 people.
Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
With that they would have no choice but to award me the Overall Title
Melvin Goodrum - 2008 B&A International Classic Champion.
No offense, but with the way you look, even if you were the sole entrant, I doubt if they'd let you place higher than 17th ;D
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No offense, but with the way you look, even if you were the sole entrant, I doubt if they'd let you place higher than 17th ;D
You've not seen the 2008 model. But you will get a preview next month..... ;D
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No think about it, charging that much money would problably wittle down the competition to about 5 people.
Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
With that they would have no choice but to award me the Overall Title
Melvin Goodrum - 2008 B&A International Classic Champion.
You would get to the Blue Oyster with Queen Vissy and suck everyone off. Your the only asshole that would pay $250 to enter a show and still have no chance of winning anything. They would just say thanks for contibuting to the prize money.
Melvin you just make more problems for yourself. You have ZERO chance of ever winning any overall title no matter what version of you comes out. Just stick to being an internet goof-off
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You've not seen the 2008 model. But you will get a preview next month..... ;D
Thanks. I'll try not to hold my breath 8)
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You've not seen the 2008 model. But you will get a preview next month..... ;D
Hopefully youll have at least one ab this time?????
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I gotta say I still liked the 03-05 version.
1. He had the saggy man boobs
2. Less sweep than a whisk broom
3. Zero ab definiton
4. Sloped monkey shoulders
5. A back that tapered like a turnip
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I gotta say I still liked the 03-05 version.
1. He had the saggy man boobs
2. Less sweep than a whisk broom
3. Zero ab definiton
4. Sloped monkey shoulders
5. A back that tapered like a turnip
"4. Sloped monkey shoulders" LMAO!!!
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that would be in violation of a 1982 court order (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement) that is still in effect against Jim Manion and the NPC.
No it wouldn't...The ruling states that the NPC cannot prohibit the AMATEUR athletes from competing in other AMATEUR organizations.
This B&A show is clearly a PROFESSIONAL event which would put the athletes amateur status in jeopardy with the NPC
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No think about it, charging that much money would problably wittle down the competition to about 5 people.
Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
With that they would have no choice but to award me the Overall Title
Melvin Goodrum - 2008 B&A International Classic Champion.
Go ahead and do it Melvin. I am thinking about going out to Vegas for the USA, if you do compete in the Band A event you can be sure I will be there. If you win the event with your Blue Oyster plan, you can brag and then own the whole get big board forever :D
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Go ahead and do it Melvin. I am thinking about going out to Vegas for the USA, if you do compete in the Band A event you can be sure I will be there. If you win the event with your Blue Oyster plan, you can brag and then own the whole get big board forever :D
I was joking bro. I wouldn't waste my time or money on this event.
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I was joking bro. I wouldn't waste my time or money on this event.
Maybe you can guest pose?
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No it wouldn't...The ruling states that the NPC cannot prohibit the AMATEUR athletes from competing in other AMATEUR organizations.
This B&A show is clearly a PROFESSIONAL event which would put the athletes amateur status in jeopardy with the NPC
it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris), Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone),
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No think about it, charging that much money would problably wittle down the competition to about 5 people.
Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
With that they would have no choice but to award me the Overall Title
Melvin Goodrum - 2008 B&A International Classic Champion.
If you did that you would still take last place even if no one showed up. The ONLY way you will ever come close to winning a show is if the judge is Queen Vissy. And even then you better hope DA doesn't show up cause you know how much Vissy loves his cock
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it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris)
They a $18,000 motorcycle away as a prize in a BB show in Hawaii along with other prizes. All those people still competed in the NPC too
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it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris), Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone),
amazing work and with hyper links!
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"4. Sloped monkey shoulders" LMAO!!!
Actually he has been working on those
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it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris), Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone),
Hell ya Tim. Keep those muddafckers in line!!! Damn communist weider, npc shit....
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You'd be amazed at what would go on if people as proactive as Tim weren't around.
Seriously, I know someone who was convicted in the lower level courts for marijuana dust in a tin during the time in which under one ounce of marijuana was not even a criminal offense. Judges (although more the police) routinely do illegal things hoping no one will call them on it. Sometimes cases need to go to the supreme court before they get overturned. Take for example Larry Flynt and all of his first amendment fights. None of his issues should ever even have made it into court to begin with, let alone need to be fought at the highest levels.
If Tim had not brought this up in this thread, who knows what would have become of this situation.
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tim is a very active guy
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tim is a very active guy
would this be a good time to remind people that there is a donation button (http://musclememory.com/donate.shtml) at musclememory.com, and that a few years ago hosting all my websites at an ISP in the UK seemed like a good idea. at today's exchange rate, not so much.
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You'd be amazed at what would go on if people as proactive as Tim weren't around.
Seriously, I know someone who was convicted in the lower level courts for marijuana dust in a tin during the time in which under one ounce of marijuana was not even a criminal offense. Judges (although more the police) routinely do illegal things hoping no one will call them on it. Sometimes cases need to go to the supreme court before they get overturned. Take for example Larry Flynt and all of his first amendment fights. None of his issues should ever even have made it into court to begin with, let alone need to be fought at the highest levels.
If Tim had not brought this up in this thread, who knows what would have become of this situation.
Correct. Much of the time, people just assume the right thing will happen.
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would this be a good time to remind people that there is a donation button (http://musclememory.com/donate.shtml) at musclememory.com, and that a few years ago hosting all my websites at an ISP in the UK seemed like a good idea. at today's exchange rate, not so much.
Hahaha nice move... ;D
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it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris), Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone),
bump. any response Chick ?
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http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1724&sid=224a94db4540e23037be640cceb31d17&mforum=ibfasport
I have just received a reply from Ben, the Show Organizer, about IFBB attack:
We feel honored to be such a big deal for the IFBB.Anyway,we do not care about all this and we will have a lot of IFBB Pros at our show.I talked already to a lot of them.It all started when the NPC (Amateur IFBB)asked us last September to sanction our show and we said"no" because we do not want their judges screwing up our competition.So now we are somehow at war.Our Sponsors and Athletes got blackmailed and Poster got stolen in the middle of the night from the Gyms in Las Vegas.We put them all back.This month (May) we are also in the Magazine (MuscleMag) and they really get scared.The IFBB is just afraid that we will be very successful and that they have to give something to their Athletes now.Anyway we do not care about the politics here because we care about the Athletes.Check out our website next week for more good news for the Athletes.We will let the Athletes choose to either take the new car home or get a $10000 sponsorship contract in cash the same night.We also looking for a Bikini or Figure Girl to have their own TV show in Los Angeles.This is not depending on placing,only on looks and personality.
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bump. any response Chick ?
Sure....first of all, no one said anything about MAKING money as a professional, merely COMPETING for it is enough for one to demed a "professional" by amateur laws....
Secondly, no one sai competitors couldn't COMPETE in other amateur federations...they can, and do often.
I don't know all the details of any of the competitors you listed...they could have been suspended from the NPC before returning to compete there, they also may not have been competing for anything but a trophy in a different federation, which is not a problem...
Competing for Cars and cash prizes in a different federation is CLEARLY a problem for any amateur that plans on competing in the NPC in the future, and it could jeopardize their amateur atatus.
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it is not clearly a professional event. there are no pro contracts. if winning prize money is what makes you a professional, then most IFBB pros are not professional. but people in the WNBF and Musclemania have won prize money while also competing as an amateur in the NPC.
The following people have all competed as a pro in another organization, and then competed in the NPC
Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan), Mark Alvisi (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Alvisi,+Mark), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Tito Raymond (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Raymond,+Tito), Richard (Tricky) Jackson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Jackson,+Richard), Shiloe Steinmetz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Steinmetz,+Shiloe), Ken Yasuda (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Yasuda,+Ken), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Nigel Ifill (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ifill,+Nigel), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Charles Anderson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Anderson,+Charles), Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Philip Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Brian Glynn (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Glynn,+Brian), Dave Goodin (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Goodin,+Dave), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Chris Thomas (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Thomas,+Chris), Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone),
By Bob's logic, the winner of the Mr. Getbig is a "pro", because he got $2k. Hell, all the Mr Getbig entrants got paid something. I guess JaeJonna and DaddyWaddy are now Pros! :D
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By Bob's logic, the winner of the Mr. Getbig is a "pro", because he got $2k. Hell, all the Mr Getbig entrants got paid something. I guess JaeJonna and DaddyWaddy are now Pros! :D
I already said..the Mr. Getbig doesn't count as it obviuosly wasnt a bb contest...! :o
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I don't know all the details of any of the competitors you listed...they could have been suspended from the NPC before returning to compete there, they also may not have been competing for anything but a trophy in a different federation, which is not a problem...
Shiloe Steinmetz
2003 - Pro Galaxy - NGA, 4th
2003 - Natural Olympus - NGA, Professional Overall Winner
2004 - Pro Natural American - WNBF, 6th
2004 - Junior Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 12th
2004 - North American Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 12th
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2007 - Junior Nationals - NPC, HeavyWeight, 8th
2007 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 1st
2007 - World Amateur Championships - IFBB, Super-HeavyWeight, 15th
clearly no suspension or time between being a pro and competing in the NPC there
Richard Tricky Jackson
1998 - North American Championships - IFBB, LightWeight, 1st
1998 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 1st
1999 - Musclemania, Professional, 7th
1999 - Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
1999 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 3rd
2000 - Musclemania, WelterWeight, 1st
2000 - Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
2000 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 3rd
again, clearly no suspension
Dave Goodin
2000 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2001 - Pro Natural International - WNBF, Overall Winner
2002 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 3rd
2003 - Pro Natural Masters - WNBF, Winner
2003 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 3rd
2004 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 4th
2005 - Pro Natural Masters - WNBF, Winner
2005 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 2nd
2006 - Pro Classic - IFPA, 2nd
2006 - Pro Natural US Cup - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2006 - Pro Natural Universe - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2007 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, WelterWeight, 2nd
seven years competing as a pro, then entering Team Universe
Competing for Cars and cash prizes in a different federation is CLEARLY a problem for any amateur that plans on competing in the NPC in the future, and it could jeopardize their amateur atatus.
what about the NPC Hawaii event that gave the winners prizes?
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I already said..the Mr. Getbig doesn't count as it obviuosly wasnt a bb contest...! :o
Right. Real bodybuilding contests have much smaller audiences and paychecks, and there was no G4P element to the mr Getbig.
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Shiloe Steinmetz
2003 - Pro Galaxy - NGA, 4th
2003 - Natural Olympus - NGA, Professional Overall Winner
2004 - Pro Natural American - WNBF, 6th
2004 - Junior Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 12th
2004 - North American Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 12th
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2007 - Junior Nationals - NPC, HeavyWeight, 8th
2007 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 1st
2007 - World Amateur Championships - IFBB, Super-HeavyWeight, 15th
clearly no suspension or time between being a pro and competing in the NPC there
Richard Tricky Jackson
1998 - North American Championships - IFBB, LightWeight, 1st
1998 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 1st
1999 - Musclemania, Professional, 7th
1999 - Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
1999 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 3rd
2000 - Musclemania, WelterWeight, 1st
2000 - Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
2000 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 3rd
again, clearly no suspension
Dave Goodin
2000 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2001 - Pro Natural International - WNBF, Overall Winner
2002 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 3rd
2003 - Pro Natural Masters - WNBF, Winner
2003 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 3rd
2004 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 4th
2005 - Pro Natural Masters - WNBF, Winner
2005 - Pro Natural World - WNBF, LightWeight, 2nd
2006 - Pro Classic - IFPA, 2nd
2006 - Pro Natural US Cup - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2006 - Pro Natural Universe - WNBF, LightWeight, 1st
2007 - Team Universe Championships - NPC, WelterWeight, 2nd
seven years competing as a pro, then entering Team Universe
what about the NPC Hawaii event that gave the winners prizes?
Once again, you're asking for me to comment on people I've never heard of (except for Tricky) and details I have no knowledge of....you're also forgetting one simple detail....someone would have to know who someone is, for there to be any possible issue.
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I already said..the Mr. Getbig doesn't count as it obviuosly wasnt a bb contest...! :o
Sarcastic comments about the quality of the physiques in the Mr. Getbig aside, it absolutely was a bodybuilding contest, the winner of which took home twice as much money as the 7th - 15th place finishers in the Arnold Classic! ::)
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Sarcastic comments about the quality of the physiques in the Mr. Getbig aside, it absolutely was a bodybuilding contest, the winner of which took home twice as much money as the 7th - 15th place finishers in the Arnold Classic! ::)
it was a picture contest....
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it was a picture contest....
...with more angles, coverage, prize money, attendance, and competitors than the New Zealand Pro ;)
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it was a picture contest....
Judging the physiques by bodybuilding standards, posed in bodybuilding attire, hitting mandatory bodybuilding shots, using bodybuilding scoring. Most of the judges were NPC or IFBB competitors. The fact that it was held in a virtual enviornment doesn't change what it was. You're splitting hairs.
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tim is a very active guy
I heard Sean Rey was very active with Sasha??? ::)
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Once again, you're asking for me to comment on people I've never heard of (except for Tricky) and details I have no knowledge of....you're also forgetting one simple detail....someone would have to know who someone is, for there to be any possible issue.
read the list again, it includes Stan McQuay, Mark Alvisi, Mike D'Angelo, Tito Raymond. The NPC does not care about amateur status.
But let's look at it from the other angle. Name one person who has been kicked out of the NPC for competing as a pro in another league?
what you're really saying is that the NPC (threatens to) enforce the rules when it suits them
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Sarcastic comments about the quality of the physiques in the Mr. Getbig aside, it absolutely was a bodybuilding contest, the winner of which took home twice as much money as the 7th - 15th place finishers in the Arnold Classic! ::)
Chick.....Goatboy has a valid point....
...with more angles, coverage, prize money, attendance, and competitors than the New Zealand Pro ;)
240 gives validity to Goatboy's assertion ... Chick????
read the list again, it includes Stan McQuay, Mark Alvisi, Mike D'Angelo, Tito Raymond. The NPC does not care about amateur status.
But let's look at it from the other angle. Name one person who has been kicked out of the NPC for competing as a pro in another league?
what you're really saying is that the NPC (threatens to) enforce the rules when it suits them
Chick, I think that is point, match and GAME for Tim!
What say you Chick? You cannot say you do not know who Stan McQuay is. ::)
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I heard Sean Rey was very active with Sasha??? ::)
My cock is very active with your sisters mouth
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read the list again, it includes Stan McQuay, Mark Alvisi, Mike D'Angelo, Tito Raymond. The NPC does not care about amateur status.
But let's look at it from the other angle. Name one person who has been kicked out of the NPC for competing as a pro in another league?
what you're really saying is that the NPC (threatens to) enforce the rules when it suits them
Well, if someone did get blackballed, they could always go back to the court that issued the 1982 injunction and have a field day. The fact that others were paid money and not tossed would be enough. Bob's "rules vs code of conduct" argument wouldn't work on this one. :D
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My cock is very active with your sisters Sasha's anus/mouth
There, fixed. ;D
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Chick is smart enough not to defend selective enforcement. My money is on him logging off right now as to avoid admitting that some rules don't get enforced.
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read the list again, it includes Stan McQuay, Mark Alvisi, Mike D'Angelo, Tito Raymond. The NPC does not care about amateur status.
But let's look at it from the other angle. Name one person who has been kicked out of the NPC for competing as a pro in another league?
what you're really saying is that the NPC (threatens to) enforce the rules when it suits them
I couldnt give you a list...perhaps there have been people that have been suspended for a time FROM competing in the NPC.....evere consider they enforce the rules when they're AWARE of violations? There is no task force looking for amateurs competing as pro's in other federations
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Well, if someone did get blackballed, they could always go back to the court that issued the 1982 injunction and have a field day. The fact that others were paid money and not tossed would be enough. Bob's "rules vs code of conduct" argument wouldn't work on this one. :D
Yes, 100% on the money.
Tim took Chick to the wood shed on this one.
If someone got blackballed by the NPC they could take the NPC to the wood shed.
I would like to see an IFBB anti trust case....... similar to the AAU/NPC case.
I have never looked into it but there is now way the IFBB's rule about not competing in pro shows outside the IFBB would hold up in court.
Since no Pro BBers have any money, there is no one to test the case in court. Lee Priest would be a good test case.
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Yes, 100% on the money.
Tim took Chick to the wood shed on this one.
If someone got blackballed by the NPC they could take the NPC to the wood shed.
I would like to see an IFBB anti trust case....... similar to the AAU/NPC case.
I have never looked into it but there is now way the IFBB's rule about not competing in pro shows outside the IFBB would hold up in court.
Since no Pro BBers have any money, there is no one to test the case in court. Lee Priest would be a good test case.
once again...no one is arguing that an amateur cannot compete in more than one amateur org....they can.
As for the IFBB..weve been over this 1,000 times. You sign a contract as a pro...
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once again...no one is arguing that an amateur cannot compete in more than one amateur org....they can.
As for the IFBB..weve been over this 1,000 times. You sign a contract as a pro...
Chick, I have seen some of the IFBB contracts, you sign them for individual shows.
I can tell you straight up that the IFBB CANNOT ban people from doing other shows, like the Lee Priest fiasco.
Now you can say the IFBB can ban Pro's all day long for that, but the ONLY reason you can say that and get away with it here on Getbig is because no Pro has ever taken the IFBB to court.
There is case law up the wazoo on employment contracts and a person is free to engage in their trade (yes Pro BBing is a trade) with anyone, with very FEW and very LIMITED exceptions. And I do mean very few and very limited exceptions (these exceptions would not apply to the IFBB and Pro BBing).
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Chick, I have seen some of the IFBB contracts, you sign them for individual shows.
I can tell you straight up that the IFBB CANNOT ban people from doing other shows, like the Lee Priest fiasco.
Now you can say the IFBB can ban Pro's all day long for that, but the ONLY reason you can say that and get away with it here on Getbig is because no Pro has ever taken the IFBB to court.
There is case law up the wazoo on employment contracts and a person is free to engage in their trade (yes Pro BBing is a trade) with anyone, with very FEW and very LIMITED exceptions. And I do mean very few and very limited exceptions (these exceptions would not apply to the IFBB and Pro BBing).
You don't know what you're talking about.....were not taling about individual shows, those are contracts the athletes sign to the PROMOTERS, guaranteeing they compete...
EVERY IFBB pro signs a contract to abide by the rules set forth by the IFBB, and pays a yeary fee to do so...by their own free will.
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it was a picture contest....
Wasn't Mr. Getbig featured in some BB magazines. Was it on BB.com too. I don't know.
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once again...no one is arguing that an amateur cannot compete in more than one amateur org....they can.
But if the NPC tries to get around the court order they're under by claiming someone is a pro when historically they have not made such a claim with others under similar circumstances, especially in light of their obvious motivation in this case, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Tennesee will, in fact, "take them to the woodshed" (as 619 rules would say).
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You don't know what you're talking about.....were not taling about individual shows, those are contracts the athletes sign to the PROMOTERS, guaranteeing they compete...
EVERY IFBB pro signs a contract to abide by the rules set forth by the IFBB, and pays a yeary fee to do so...by their own free will.
OK, and your point is what?? That because the IFBB has this in their contract that it is legal????
You can put anything you want in a contract, but that does not mean it is legal.
I can guarantee you this, if Lee Priest took the IFBB to court for suspending him from the IFBB for doing the PDI show, the IFBB would be fighting an uphill, and very likely, losing battle.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that just because the IFBB says something that it is a)written in stone, b) legal, and c) not subject to the legal process.
Chick, let me give you an example; if the IFBB had a rule that said white Pro BBers could not marry black Pro BBers, do you think that would be legal????
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http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1724&sid=224a94db4540e23037be640cceb31d17&mforum=ibfasport
I have just received a reply from Ben, the Show Organizer, about IFBB attack:
We feel honored to be such a big deal for the IFBB.Anyway,we do not care about all this and we will have a lot of IFBB Pros at our show.I talked already to a lot of them.It all started when the NPC (Amateur IFBB)asked us last September to sanction our show and we said"no" because we do not want their judges screwing up our competition.So now we are somehow at war.Our Sponsors and Athletes got blackmailed and Poster got stolen in the middle of the night from the Gyms in Las Vegas.We put them all back.This month (May) we are also in the Magazine (MuscleMag) and they really get scared.The IFBB is just afraid that we will be very successful and that they have to give something to their Athletes now.Anyway we do not care about the politics here because we care about the Athletes.Check out our website next week for more good news for the Athletes.We will let the Athletes choose to either take the new car home or get a $10000 sponsorship contract in cash the same night.We also looking for a Bikini or Figure Girl to have their own TV show in Los Angeles.This is not depending on placing,only on looks and personality
OK, I don't understand something here? Why would the NPC contact them to have them sanction their show when they give out prize money. Actually, why would the NPC contact anyone and offer to sanction their show???
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OK, I don't understand something here? Why would the NPC contact them to have them sanction their show when they give out prize money. Actually, why would the NPC contact anyone and offer to sanction their show???
They wouldn't...should tell you something.
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OK, and your point is what?? That because the IFBB has this in their contract that it is legal????
You can put anything you want in a contract, but that does not mean it is legal.
I can guarantee you this, if Lee Priest took the IFBB to court for suspending him from the IFBB for doing the PDI show, the IFBB would be fighting an uphill, and very likely, losing battle.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that just because the IFBB says something that it is a)written in stone, b) legal, and c) not subject to the legal process.
Chick, let me give you an example; if the IFBB had a rule that said white Pro BBers could not marry black Pro BBers, do you think that would be legal????
Anything is "subject to the legal process"...
The athletes agree to it...no one is forcing them to compete in the IFBB...
Your example is ridiculous, and not only against the law, but discrimination at it's worst..
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OK, I don't understand something here? Why would the NPC contact them to have them sanction their show when they give out prize money. Actually, why would the NPC contact anyone and offer to sanction their show???
I don't know. Ask the original poster on the link. I'm just the messenger. ;)
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Folks, its like a child being told not to stick their hand in the wall outlet and they don't listen or keep asking why to see whether his parents to change their mind.
If some of you wish to stick your hand in the wall outlet. By all means, go right ahead. But once you do, you'll get the shock of your life.
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I don't know. Ask the original poster on the link. I'm just the messenger. ;)
Don't shoot the messenger or the sender for that matter. ;D
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Folks, its like a child being told not to stick their hand in the wall outlet and they don't listen or keep asking why to see whether his parents to change their mind.
If some of you wish to stick your hand in the wall outlet. By all means, go right ahead. But once you do, you'll get the shock of your life.
You're suggesting the NPC would be brazen enough to try to violate the injunction they're under and blackball members for competing in this show? I don't think Manion's that dumb.
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Well, the real bottom line is that 3 people are going home with a new car or cash and some other people are also going to get some nice prizes too. The NPC will still be there at the end of the day and with a few more shows like this from the people putting on this show there may not ever be a reason to even want to turn pro.
There are a lot of good bbers out there that know they are never going pro so these guys are going to enter this show no matter what the NPC says. They would rather have a car than nothing at all.
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Big props to the organizer of this event. I just may go have a look......bout time somebody gave the guys and girls an option to the monopoly weider ami whatevers....
I think if enough word gets out maybe some will switch. I mean look at this......First show and offering cars and money!!!! For gawds sake weider was raping his olympia guys with a 1,000 for the olympia for years.....
Thank gawd for a free country!! 8)
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No one told me Chick went to law school! :o
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Anything is "subject to the legal process"...
The athletes agree to it...no one is forcing them to compete in the IFBB...
Your example is ridiculous, and not only against the law, but discrimination at it's worst..
Yes, it was a ridiculous example, but only to prove the point using an extreme.
Now, to your other contention that the athletes "agree to it".
Just because the Pros sign an IFBB contract, whether they are being forced to compete or not (your words), does not mean it is legal.
Chick the IFBB can not engage in antitrust tactics to limit their competition, such as non compete clauses. And just because the IFBB puts that non compete clause in their contract does not mean it carries the weight of law-and it in fact does not.
Let me give you another example, one that is very common and happens all the time in contract law.
Suppose the IFBB puts a clause in their contract that if any lawsuits were to arise out of the contract, such as a dispute like Lee Priest's, where Lee was suspended for doing the PDI show, and the IFBB contract stated if they won the lawsuit the Pro would be liable for ALL IFBB legal fees including lawyer fees. BUT, the contract went on to state that if the Pro were to win the lawsuit that the IFBB was did not have to pay the Pro's legal fees, including lawyer fees. Now Chick, this type of clause is included in contracts all the time, but the question is would that clause be upheld????
OK Chick, tell me, is that legal for the IFBB to do-just because they put it in and the Pro agreed, and signed the contract????
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No one told me Chick went to law school! :o
He was a Sheriff's Deputy or something back in NY. That's as good as a LL.B. or J.D., right? ;D
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He was a Sheriff's Deputy or something back in NY. That's as good as a LL.B. or J.D., right? ;D
Close ::)
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Yes, it was a ridiculous example, but only to prove the point using an extreme.
Now, to your other contention that the athletes "agree to it".
Just because the Pros sign an IFBB contract, whether they are being forced to compete or not (your words), does not mean it is legal.
Chick the IFBB can not engage in antitrust tactics to limit their competition, such as non compete clauses. And just because the IFBB puts that non compete clause in their contract does not mean it carries the weight of law-and it in fact does not.
Let me give you another example, one that is very common and happens all the time in contract law.
Suppose the IFBB puts a clause in their contract that if any lawsuits were to arise out of the contract, such as a dispute like Lee Priest's, where Lee was suspended for doing the PDI show, and the IFBB contract stated if they won the lawsuit the Pro would be liable for ALL IFBB legal fees including lawyer fees. BUT, the contract went on to state that if the Pro were to win the lawsuit that the IFBB was did not have to pay the Pro's legal fees, including lawyer fees. Now Chick, this type of clause is included in contracts all the time, but the question is would that clause be upheld????
OK Chick, tell me, is that legal for the IFBB to do-just because they put it in and the Pro agreed, and signed the contract????
Bob thinks contract law trumps antitrust and labor statutes passed by congress. ;)
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Whoa. And i was like Whoa and he was like whoa.......dis is serious stuff if arni is praisin it...
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Interesting.
"We are in for the Athletes and we do not care about Politic BS!
BTW: The B&A Production presents the 2009 Mr./Ms.Universe and Bikini World Championship in June with Sponsorships of $10000 EACH for
Men/Women/Figure and Sponsorship of $5000 for Masters Figure Physique and here comes the biggest deal:" Your own TV show"!!!
Also we will have a Pro Mr.Universe contest with $10000 first place.
2008 B&A International Classics July 27th the show for the Athletes!!!
with $80000 in prizes,no other Amateur show in the world does that!"
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Folks, its like a child being told not to stick their hand in the wall outlet and they don't listen or keep asking why to see whether his parents to change their mind.
If some of you wish to stick your hand in the wall outlet. By all means, go right ahead. But once you do, you'll get the shock of your life.
Melvin your analogy sucks. Does Queen Vissy shock you when you guys get all freak with jumper cables? Melvin when you were straight did you ever give a chick the "Shocker"?
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the funny thing is look how much publicity B&A got by IFBB's letter. No one here knew about it before the IFBB said 'if you enter it, you'll get banned from the NPC'.
These guys really needs to take a course in Internet 101.
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the funny thing is look how much publicity B&A got by IFBB's letter. No one here knew about it before the IFBB said 'if you enter it, you'll get banned from the NPC'.
These guys really needs to take a course in Internet 101.
They totally suck at the internet. The boards have been making them look stupid for almost a decade now, and they still haven't figured it out.
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Chick wears the IFBB dunce hat with oblivious pride!
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the funny thing is look how much publicity B&A got by IFBB's letter. No one here knew about it before the IFBB said 'if you enter it, you'll get banned from the NPC'.
These guys really needs to take a course in Internet 101.
;)
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What the fuck is a "queen vissy" ???
Something that's gayer than staying indoors on a Saturday night to post in Getbig ;D
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Mel,
Rhino Jack asked me to ask you to ask "A Friend" to stop with the third party faggotryness already.
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Lets search for more info on this promoter and its shows and spread the word!!! Spam the boards for "freedom for athletes" I declare a MUTINY on the ship!!!! :o
Someone finally had the balls and the money to stand up to.....Communistic wieder practices!!!
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Yes, it was a ridiculous example, but only to prove the point using an extreme.
Now, to your other contention that the athletes "agree to it".
Just because the Pros sign an IFBB contract, whether they are being forced to compete or not (your words), does not mean it is legal.
Chick the IFBB can not engage in antitrust tactics to limit their competition, such as non compete clauses. And just because the IFBB puts that non compete clause in their contract does not mean it carries the weight of law-and it in fact does not.
Let me give you another example, one that is very common and happens all the time in contract law.
Suppose the IFBB puts a clause in their contract that if any lawsuits were to arise out of the contract, such as a dispute like Lee Priest's, where Lee was suspended for doing the PDI show, and the IFBB contract stated if they won the lawsuit the Pro would be liable for ALL IFBB legal fees including lawyer fees. BUT, the contract went on to state that if the Pro were to win the lawsuit that the IFBB was did not have to pay the Pro's legal fees, including lawyer fees. Now Chick, this type of clause is included in contracts all the time, but the question is would that clause be upheld????
OK Chick, tell me, is that legal for the IFBB to do-just because they put it in and the Pro agreed, and signed the contract????
Good point. People put shit in contracts all the time just to scare the party who signs it. But it doesn't mean it'll hold up anywhere - federal law supercedes anything stated in a contract. The party who wrote the contract just hopes that it will never make it that far.
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Also. I know chick likes to say its no different than the NFL being exclusive for its athletes.
Heres the difference. NFL offers an actual living wage for even 2-3rd string who never see the field. For $200,000 or $300,000 a year you have some pull.
But in the IFBB or NPC these guys are offered MAYBE a chance to be in the mags and endorse shitty products that they dont use. So nothing is definite.
A valid contract, to be legal has to have whats called "Consideration" which means each party offers something of value. In NFL they offer huge money in return for the athletes skill.
In bodybuilding the athlete offers his health, time, money for MAYBE a contract for pittance pay.
Now look at the number of BB's who are recieving a contract pay from weider....Out of say a 100 only a few are on the rolls...and yet they are demanded to pay yearly dues and will never see prize money.....
This doesnt even begin to excuse the NPC from trying to blackball top amateur BB,s because they recieve NOTHING.......I repeat NOTHING from the NPC as regards a pay or considerastion. It is a federation that demands yearly payments from the athletes just for the chance to turn pro in a federation that also demands yearly payments with no promise of value....
One sided contracts will NOT hold up in court of law.
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Also. I know chick likes to say its no different than the NFL being exclusive for its athletes.
Heres the difference. NFL offers an actual living wage for even 2-3rd string who never see the field. For $200,000 or $300,000 a year you have some pull.
But in the IFBB or NPC these guys are offered MAYBE a chance to be in the mags and endorse shitty products that they dont use. So nothing is definite.
A valid contract, to be legal has to have whats called "Consideration" which means each party offers something of value. In NFL they offer huge money in return for the athletes skill.
In bodybuilding the athlete offers his health, time, money for MAYBE a contract for pittance pay.
Now look at the number of BB's who are recieving a contract pay from weider....Out of say a 100 only a few are on the rolls...and yet they are demanded to pay yearly dues and will never see prize money.....
This doesnt even begin to excuse the NPC from trying to blackball top amateur BB,s because they recieve NOTHING.......I repeat NOTHING from the NPC as regards a pay or considerastion. It is a federation that demands yearly payments from the athletes just for the chance to turn pro in a federation that also demands yearly payments with no promise of value....
One sided contracts will NOT hold up in court of law.
You couldn't be more wrong..."one sided" contracts are signed and agreed to by the person agreeing to the terms. If I have someone sign a contract which says they'll pay me 200% interest on a $1,000 loan...it may be one sided, but it would hold up 100% in court. What you would have to have is a contract that is unconstitutional, or against the law, or uninforceable....
The NPC has never "blackballed" anyone from competing in other amateur federations....ever. There have been cases of athletes being suspended for a time, because they were deemed to be "pro" by their competing in some other fed as a "pro"...and had to wait to compete...
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Message from "A Friend" about the B&A Bodybuilding Classic
Bullshit
We all know you have no friends
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The problem is when someone like these two people put on a BB show that looks to be awesome for BB and the competitors the IFBB gets all worried and starts to pull their power-trip shit. The event isn't sanctioned and anyone can enter with NO bias or discrimination. That is something the IFBB has never practiced or understood. This event puts it right up there with the Olympia and the Arnold in terms of prizes. And like someone else said, not many knew anything of this event until the IFBB unknowingly decided to help promote it. good for the show. I hope a whole ton of NPC guys enter.
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The problem is when someone like these two people put on a BB show that looks to be awesome for BB and the competitors the IFBB gets all worried and starts to pull their power-trip shit. The event isn't sanctioned and anyone can enter with NO bias or discrimination. That is something the IFBB has never practiced or understood. This event puts it right up there with the Olympia and the Arnold in terms of prizes. And like someone else said, not many knew anything of this event until the IFBB unknowingly decided to help promote it. good for the show. I hope a whole ton of NPC guys enter.
Giving the same advice that you gave to those poor souls about not getting in trouble for competing at the PDI...... ::)
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The IFBB is without a doubt one of the most least successful and one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports. They openly violate there own code of ethics, and try to defend this hypocrisy with such bravado that one can not help but feel sorry for them (Just look at every post by Bob Chick). This non competition BS is fair game in the business world, but has no place in athletics. If you are truly an athlete you should be able to compete whenever and however you make like. However, if the IFBB admits that its members are not athletes, but actually drug addicts (steroids, nubain, etc) and prostitutes, and then by all means "keep your pimp hand strong" and keep your "bitches in line." But just please let the real athletes competes, while you guys turn tricks on grapefruits and dance for the homosexual population.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
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You couldn't be more wrong..."one sided" contracts are signed and agreed to by the person agreeing to the terms. If I have someone sign a contract which says they'll pay me 200% interest on a $1,000 loan...it may be one sided, but it would hold up 100% in court. What you would have to have is a contract that is unconstitutional, or against the law, or uninforceable....
The NPC has never "blackballed" anyone from competing in other amateur federations....ever. There have been cases of athletes being suspended for a time, because they were deemed to be "pro" by their competing in some other fed as a "pro"...and had to wait to compete...
Wrong. In a court of law, a Lop-sided contract has no Adhesion....it will never win in court whether signed or not. A simple protest is all it takes by the signer.
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There have been cases of athletes being suspended for a time, because they were deemed to be "pro" by their competing in some other fed as a "pro"...and had to wait to compete...
Names please.
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Something that's gayer than staying indoors on a Saturday night to post in Getbig ;D
:'( been there done that :'(
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Names please.
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Seems that the IFBB is a stooge organization for stooges. Bob Stooge is appointed to smooth talk the dumbbells. Nothing could be more perfect. That a guy like Chick remains as athlete rep is epic irony of legendary proportions.
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Names please.
Sorry bro...you don't exactly meet the criteria of "on a need to know basis..."
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You couldn't be more wrong..."one sided" contracts are signed and agreed to by the person agreeing to the terms. If I have someone sign a contract which says they'll pay me 200% interest on a $1,000 loan...it may be one sided, but it would hold up 100% in court. What you would have to have is a contract that is unconstitutional, or against the law, or uninforceable....
The NPC has never "blackballed" anyone from competing in other amateur federations....ever. There have been cases of athletes being suspended for a time, because they were deemed to be "pro" by their competing in some other fed as a "pro"...and had to wait to compete...
Actually bad example. 200% is 100% illegal. If I recall that is called racquetering(?sp.) which is not legal and would NEVER hold up in court. You can make the contract for 1000% interest but don't expect the courts to uphold it at all. Legally you can't charge more than the prime. I may be wrong on that but it is something like that.
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Giving the same advice that you gave to those poor souls about not getting in trouble for competing at the PDI...... ::)
Yea bad advice, they all made more money doing a few shows in the PDI than they would ever have made in the IFBB. Bad choice. ::)
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Actually bad example. 200% is 100% illegal. If I recall that is called racquetering(?sp.) which is not legal and would NEVER hold up in court. You can make the contract for 1000% interest but don't expect the courts to uphold it at all. Legally you can't charge more than the prime. I may be wrong on that but it is something like that.
I think you get the idea, Keith.....
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Sorry bro...you don't exactly meet the criteria of "on a need to know basis..."
Some would say Tim Fogarty is the only voice of accountability and fairness in an industry rampant with politics and selective enforcement.
Would you agree?
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Sorry bro...you don't exactly meet the criteria of "on a need to know basis..."
Chick, go ahead and name a few names-you said they are out there-why not name the namesthen??? We all "need to know"..... ::)
My thinks you won't, because you are not on the level.
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Some would say Tim Fogarty is the only voice of accountability and fairness in an industry rampant with politics and selective enforcement.
Would you agree?
No...I wouldn't
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IMO, if the IFBB is willing to make the "Don't compete in this show" the top news item on their PRO home page, chances are the NPC means business on this one.
I just went to the IFBB's website and didn't see any mention of this event.
In fact, now that you mention it, I didn't see a link to the IFBB 'Pro League's' website either.
Why is that?
http://ifbb.com/
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I've never understood why the IFBB would seek to limit income opportunities for its members, but the more pressing question is why it would seek to limit AMBASSADORSHIP opportunities, especially at a time when bodybuilding (not just the IFBB, but all federations, fans, competitors, sponsors, etc.) needs all the positive PR it can get.
Just trying inject a little common sense here...
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On a serious note I would like to know why the NPC allows some pros to compete in the NPC and suspends others. I am not expecting Bob to answer this, but I really am curious.
Will also add this, to be fair to Bob one can't expect him to have all the answers to these questions, all these issues have been around long before Bob became the athletes rep.
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On a serious not I would like to know why the NPC allows some pros to compete in the NPC and suspends others. I am not expecting Bob to answer this, but I really am curious.
Hey J, check out the "jediknight" exposed thread here on the G&O..."he" is exposed for the bottom twink "he" is ;D
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Hey J, check out the "jediknight" exposed thread here on the G&O..."he" is exposed for the bottom twink "he" is ;D
He won't recover. ;D
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What the fuck is a "queen vissy" ???
He is also known as the "East Coast Jediknight"
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On a serious note I would like to know why the NPC allows some pros to compete in the NPC and suspends others. I am not expecting Bob to answer this, but I really am curious.
No evidence has yet been presented that anyone has been suspended or otherwise not allowed to compete in the NPC for being a 'pro'.
In fact, I bet there's one or two IFBB pros who later competed in an NPC Masters or Grand Masters contest.
ok, a bit obscure, but Henry Caulker (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Caulker,+Henry) competed as an IFBB Pro in 1979-1981, then 20 years later as an amateur in the Grand Masters class at the NPC Emerald Cup in 2002 and 2004.
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No evidence has yet been presented that anyone has been suspended or otherwise not allowed to compete in the NPC for being a 'pro'.
In fact, I bet there's one or two IFBB pros who later competed in an NPC Masters or Grand Masters contest.
Really? Current pro's?
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Just to clarify, the pros that I am referring to are from a natural org. They have repeatedly jumped back and forth to the NPC for years and the NPC knows for sure about them being pros in another org. They have never been suspended or even warned.
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Really? Current pro's?
wait, by your definition, a pro is someone who has received prizes or money. If you want to change your definition to someone who has an active pro contract, then no one in this B&A contest would be considered a pro.
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wait, by your definition, a pro is someone who has received prizes or money. If you want to change your definition to someone who has an active pro contract, then no one in this B&A contest would be considered a pro.
COMPETING for prize money is what generally considers one a "pro"...
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COMPETING for prize money is what generally considers one a "pro"...
your question was "Really? Current pro's?" what difference is there that they are a 'current pro' or competed as an IFBB pro 10, 20, 30 years ago?
either the NPC doesn't allow people who have competed in contests that give prizes to enter their contests or they do. We've given lots of evidence that they do allow Musclemania pros, WNBF pros, NGA pros, even former IFBB pros to compete. It has also been pointed out that an NPC sanctioned contest has given out prizes. You have yet to provide the name of anyone who has not been allowed to compete in an NPC contest for 'being a pro'.
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He is also known as the "East Coast Jediknight"
hahahahahaha ;D
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your question was "Really? Current pro's?" what difference is there that they are a 'current pro' or competed as an IFBB pro 10, 20, 30 years ago?
either the NPC doesn't allow people who have competed in contests that give prizes to enter their contests or they do. We've given lots of evidence that they do allow Musclemania pros, WNBF pros, NGA pros, even former IFBB pros to compete. It has also been pointed out that an NPC sanctioned contest has given out prizes. You have yet to provide the name of anyone who has not been allowed to compete in an NPC contest for 'being a pro'.
There's a big difference....if you're a current pro, there's obviously no way you can compete in a NPC show.....if you're a former pro, there is nothing stopping you from returning to competition as an amateur, assuming you've given up your pro status for a time (not exactly sure how long that is)
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There's a big difference....if you're a current pro, there's obviously no way you can compete in a NPC show.....if you're a former pro, there is nothing stopping you from returning to competition as an amateur, assuming you've given up your pro status for a time (not exactly sure how long that is)
I'm just going to throw this out there.......are you saying that since Milos no longer has his pro card, he can compete as an amateur?
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I'm just going to throw this out there.......are you saying that since Milos no longer has his pro card, he can compete as an amateur?
I believe that is possible...don't know all the detail, but once you're out of the federation..you're basically a free agent.
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With the problems milos has with weak knees I doubt he could win any show. ::)
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Yo Bob, check out the BRUTAL ownage of getbig's newest bottom sissy "jediknight" You won't see shit like this again in your lifetime :D
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All these issues about how much money can be given out and still be considered a pro and how long you have to give up a pro card to be considered an amateur again are not laws they are NPC and IFBB rules and would never hold up in a court as far as being allowed to compete in the NPC. We can all disagree till the cows come home, but I think we all may be missing the big picture. The people who end up competing in this Vegas show will be the ones who don't give a rats ass about the NPC and their rules and obviously so since they are competing in the show.
Also, I am sure that there will be some people in this show who have never been a member of the NPC so the NPC would have no legit reason to repremand and or ban them.
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there is nothing stopping you from returning to competition as an amateur, assuming you've given up your pro status for a time (not exactly sure how long that is)
based on the experiences of Stan McQuay, Mark Alvisi, Mike D'Angelo, Tito Raymond, Richard (Tricky) Jackson, Shiloe Steinmetz, and others, my guess is a week or two.
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We can all disagree till the cows come home, but I think we all may be missing the big picture.
This just in. ;D
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IFBB Pro Neil Gardner stopped competing Pro and a few mths later competed in a amateur comp.Rules are only for some people.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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The NPC is already under a court order prohibiting anti-competitive activities. If they try to suspend someone for competing in this show, I hope they don't have Bob pleading their case for them when their asses get hauled back into court. ;D
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"jediknight" aka "Jay the Jedi"
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(http://i25.tinypic.com/orsb2w.jpg)
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All these issues about how much money can be given out and still be considered a pro and how long you have to give up a pro card to be considered an amateur again are not laws they are NPC and IFBB rules and would never hold up in a court as far as being allowed to compete in the NPC. We can all disagree till the cows come home, but I think we all may be missing the big picture. The people who end up competing in this Vegas show will be the ones who don't give a rats ass about the NPC and their rules and obviously so since they are competing in the show.
Also, I am sure that there will be some people in this show who have never been a member of the NPC so the NPC would have no legit reason to repremand and or ban them.
That is true. If someone competes that is not or ever has been a member of the NPC, the NPC can't do anything to them nor can they refuse them entering a NPC contest at a later date. Now that would be a HUGE court issue that the NPC would have no leg to stand on.
Also, did I read somewhere that the NPC will have someone at this show to write down competitors names or whatever that enter the show. I highly doubt the promoters will allow that to happen. Whoever it is doing that should be kicked out of the area immediately. Also, I find it interesting that the most popular BB in history and the Governor of California is endorsing and supporting this event yet the IFBB and NPC is not. SO much for the IFBB and NPC wanting to support BB and its future. I really hope this show kicks ass cause I guarantee that there will be a lot of NPC guys coming to compete in this show as it matures.
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"jediknight" aka "Jay the Jedi"
stick to your own threads
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Joe and Ben battled long and hard for bodybuilders. Then when they succeeded they do the same as what others did to them in the past. Humans are so self-serving it is rather sad but so predictable.
Look at Bob. A stooge who stoops so he can pay his mortgage. There should be a rule about people using the IFBB like that.
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I just went to the IFBB's website and didn't see any mention of this event.
In fact, now that you mention it, I didn't see a link to the IFBB 'Pro League's' website either.
Why is that?
http://ifbb.com/
News item #2 here:
http://ifbbpro.com/category/news/
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Some would say Tim Fogarty is the only voice of accountability and fairness in an industry rampant with politics and selective enforcement.
Would you agree?
I don't agree. Tim may run the most informative bodybuilding websites around however the status of athletes being suspended in an organization is none of his business.
Those records are private and current athletes that are suspended should not be publicly outed. If they wish to come forward as did Lee Priest, then let them.
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No evidence has yet been presented that anyone has been suspended or otherwise not allowed to compete in the NPC for being a 'pro'.
In fact, I bet there's one or two IFBB pros who later competed in an NPC Masters or Grand Masters contest.
ok, a bit obscure, but Henry Caulker (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Caulker,+Henry) competed as an IFBB Pro in 1979-1981, then 20 years later as an amateur in the Grand Masters class at the NPC Emerald Cup in 2002 and 2004.
There is a clause in the IFBB contract that states that a pro competitor can switch back to the amatuer division if they ask permission. However, its a one way trip and they cannot come back.
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Hello everybody this is Ben the promoter of the B&A International Classics 2008!
First at all thank you for your positive support and for the guys who do not like us,
it is all good.We the B&A Production are only interested to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.
We have no intentions to have a war with a certain organization.Whatever they think is good for the Athletes ,so be it.
Athletes will choose in the future what is better for them.People say that we are a one time wonder,sorry to disappoint you.Astrid and I have decided to do everything in our Power to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.So there will be more shows to come with more crazy prizes.This year we give out 3 new cars but
if the Athletes choose that night not to take the car,we offer them a $10000 sponsorship contract in cash upfront that day.We also did not mention that on top of having a chance to win the new motorcycle cruiser at out party with free food and drinks,we will give away Gold's Gym cloth,Vitamin Packs,Lana's Eggwhites and more.On top of all that here are great news!!! It is not on our website yet but will there next week!
We are looking for a female and male Athlete who competes at our show to cast for a live TV Fitness show in Los Angeles CA.They will have their own Fitness TV show together.It is not based on placing! Only on looks and personality.We will announce the winner that night!
Help us to spread the word and change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most amazing Amateur show in the world in 2008!
BTW :We are an Amateur Show exactly like the Loadedcup is an IFBB Amateur show with a lot of prize money.Check it out for yourself Bob www.loadedcup.dk
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There is a clause in the IFBB contract that states that a pro competitor can switch back to the amatuer division if they ask permission. However, its a one way trip and they cannot come back.
Then why would they have to ask permission if they can't come back. How ignorant are you Goodrum.
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Is the IFBB 'Pro League' part of the IFBB?
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Is the IFBB 'Pro League' part of the IFBB?
Rafael Santonja's amateur IFBB and Jim Manion's IFBB Pro League are pretty much two separate private corporations now. The former is still a not-for-profit corp. Don't know about the later.
The NPC is also privately held not for profit corporation.
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the bottom line of this thread (other than Chick trying save face for Jim Manion)
is that there are many examples of NPC competitors that compete outside the NPC for money.
if there is a "rule" that prohibits it is just as much of a joke as the IFBB's rules i.e. arbitrarily/selectevely enforced
Tim Fogarty is the voice of objective truth, i'm surprised chick hasn't banned him yet.
There's a big difference....if you're a current pro, there's obviously no way you can compete in a NPC show.....if you're a former pro, there is nothing stopping you from returning to competition as an amateur, assuming you've given up your pro status for a time (not exactly sure how long that is)
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Hello everybody this is Ben the promoter of the B&A International Classics 2008!
First at all thank you for your positive support and for the guys who do not like us,
it is all good.We the B&A Production are only interested to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.
We have no intentions to have a war with a certain organization.Whatever they think is good for the Athletes ,so be it.
Athletes will choose in the future what is better for them.People say that we are a one time wonder,sorry to disappoint you.Astrid and I have decided to do everything in our Power to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.So there will be more shows to come with more crazy prizes.This year we give out 3 new cars but
if the Athletes choose that night not to take the car,we offer them a $10000 sponsorship contract in cash upfront that day.We also did not mention that on top of having a chance to win the new motorcycle cruiser at out party with free food and drinks,we will give away Gold's Gym cloth,Vitamin Packs,Lana's Eggwhites and more.On top of all that here are great news!!! It is not on our website yet but will there next week!
We are looking for a female and male Athlete who competes at our show to cast for a live TV Fitness show in Los Angeles CA.They will have their own Fitness TV show together.It is not based on placing! Only on looks and personality.We will announce the winner that night!
Help us to spread the word and change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most amazing Amateur show in the world in 2008!
BTW :We are an Amateur Show exactly like the Loadedcup is an IFBB Amateur show with a lot of prize money.Check it out for yourself Bob www.loadedcup.dk
Ben: I applaud what you are doing.
However, from a business standpoint, I really don't see your angle....
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Hello everybody this is Ben the promoter of the B&A International Classics 2008!
First at all thank you for your positive support and for the guys who do not like us,
it is all good.We the B&A Production are only interested to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.
We have no intentions to have a war with a certain organization.Whatever they think is good for the Athletes ,so be it.
Athletes will choose in the future what is better for them.People say that we are a one time wonder,sorry to disappoint you.Astrid and I have decided to do everything in our Power to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.So there will be more shows to come with more crazy prizes.This year we give out 3 new cars but
if the Athletes choose that night not to take the car,we offer them a $10000 sponsorship contract in cash upfront that day.We also did not mention that on top of having a chance to win the new motorcycle cruiser at out party with free food and drinks,we will give away Gold's Gym cloth,Vitamin Packs,Lana's Eggwhites and more.On top of all that here are great news!!! It is not on our website yet but will there next week!
We are looking for a female and male Athlete who competes at our show to cast for a live TV Fitness show in Los Angeles CA.They will have their own Fitness TV show together.It is not based on placing! Only on looks and personality.We will announce the winner that night!
Help us to spread the word and change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most amazing Amateur show in the world in 2008!
BTW :We are an Amateur Show exactly like the Loadedcup is an IFBB Amateur show with a lot of prize money.Check it out for yourself Bob www.loadedcup.dk
Hey Ben-
Not sure why I need to check it out, and I'm certainly not familiar with IFBB amateur...
Just to make clear...I have not badmouthed your show, or tried in any way to make it out to be anything but what it is.
I think what you're doing is admirable, and will benefit those athletes who choose to compete in your show...
That said...I do have to question your motives...you claim not to be in any competition with the NPC, yet choose to hold a show in the same city and 1 day after the NPC USA, certainly doesn't seem like it was chosen for any other reason BUT to be...
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...I do have to question your motives...you claim not to be in any competition with the NPC, yet choose to hold a show in the same city and 1 day after the NPC USA, certainly doesn't seem like it was chosen for any other reason BUT to be...
Why would that be in competition with the NPC show?
What NPC events are held the day after the show?
If none, what we have here is a guy offering athletes who are already in town, already in shape, and already pro-tanned, a chance to show up the next day and win a car.
LOL... show us how they're competing with the NPC, Bob
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Why would that be in competition with the NPC show?
What NPC events are held the day after the show?
If none, what we have here is a guy offering athletes who are already in town, already in shape, and already pro-tanned, a chance to show up the next day and win a car.
LOL... show us how they're competing with the NPC, Bob
Well, I guess it will be interesting to see how many NPC athletes he pick up from the USA then, won't it?
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Well, I guess it will be interesting to see how many NPC athletes he pick up from the USA then, won't it?
That's not really competing against it, so much as helping the athletes kill two birds with one stone, I would say. Competing against it would be having it the same day.
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That's not really competing against it, so much as helping the athletes kill two birds with one stone, I would say. Competing against it would be having it the same day.
This is true. Pretty interesting scenerio this is. There may be a lot of guys jumping into this show after the USA to try and pick up some money and a car. If the NPC does try to ban these guys (not likely) they would only be hurting themselves since there could be some very good competitors not entering the Nationals this year.
On the other hand there is a limit to 300 entrants for the B&A show and I am assuming this is going to fill up pretty quick so any guys who have the intentions of waiting to see how they place at the USA's may be too late.
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This is true. Pretty interesting scenerio this is. There may be a lot of guys jumping into this show after the USA to try and pick up some money and a car. If the NPC does try to ban these guys (not likely) they would only be hurting themselves since there could be some very good competitors not entering the Nationals this year.
On the other hand there is a limit to 300 entrants for the B&A show and I am assuming this is going to fill up pretty quick so any guys who have the intentions of waiting to see how they place at the USA's may be too late.
To say the least....not sure how many will be willing to shell out 3-500 dollar entry fee
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To say the least....not sure how many will be willing to shell out 3-500 dollar entry fee
Yeah, thought about that too. To be honest I would think since his prize money is up there that he should do pretty good. Plus he has no org. fee. Entry is $250 if I read correctly and crossover is $99.00. Late fee is $50 extra, but like I said I am betting he gets his 300 entrants. Rumor has it that he already has teams coming from other counties.
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Yeah, thought about that too. To be honest I would think since his prize money is up there that he should do pretty good. Plus he has no org. fee. Entry is $250 if I read correctly and crossover is $99.00. Late fee is $50 extra, but like I said I am betting he gets his 300 entrants. Rumor has it that he already has teams coming from other counties.
I hope the guy does well, really....I'm all for the athletes making a buck...just hope the NPC thing doesn't come back to bite anyone in the ass.
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Hey the entry fee is about what it cost to be an IFBB pro each year. At least at this show they have a better chance to win some cash and great prizes. And also highly doubt they would ban anyone to compete in any more NPC events. Isn't that illegal. wasn't there some kind of law passed or something like that. Especially if they don't win anything. Then the NPC can't do a thing. And how about if the winners give or donate their prizes to their girlfriend or something like that so they don't directly recieve the prize. They would be competing for someone else in a sense. Who cares at least they won. It is an amateur show and the NPC can't do anything about that.
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Hey the entry fee is about what it cost to be an IFBB pro each year. At least at this show they have a better chance to win some cash and great prizes. And also highly doubt they would ban anyone to compete in any more NPC events. Isn't that illegal. wasn't there some kind of law passed or something like that. Especially if they don't win anything. Then the NPC can't do a thing. And how about if the winners give or donate their prizes to their girlfriend or something like that so they don't directly recieve the prize. They would be competing for someone else in a sense. Who cares at least they won. It is an amateur show and the NPC can't do anything about that.
But these aren't pro's, Keith...theyre amateurs (or at least theyre supposed to be).
The law passed only deals with the fact that the NPC cannot force athletes to only compete in THEIR org...but now there will a question if this show is considered such...
Not sure on the particulars...
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I hope the guy does well, really....I'm all for the athletes making a buck...just hope the NPC thing doesn't come back to bite anyone in the ass.
That's cool to say and I feel the same way. I don't think in the long run anyone will be hurt by this at all. I personally have nothing against the NPC at all, I just like to see people have options. Time will tell.
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But these aren't pro's, Keith...theyre amateurs (or at least theyre supposed to be).
The law passed only deals with the fact that the NPC cannot force athletes to only compete in THEIR org...but now there will a question if this show is considered such...
Not sure on the particulars...
You know you are my buddy Chic. I have no idea either way. I do find it hard to believe how much this must be costing to put on (prizes alone) uness he got them all donated. But you have to admit the prizes and such is quite impressive for a show like this.
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I once read the court verdict, but I don't remember exactly what it said. I do recall the the NPC lost the case because they would not let someone enter an NPC show because this person had entered an AAU show. I could be wrong, but I don't think it had anything to do with the other org being amateur or pro. Also I am curious how the NPC is set up on paper. Is it registered as an amateur org? The name National Physique Committee does not imply this.
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Hey Ben-
Not sure why I need to check it out, and I'm certainly not familiar with IFBB amateur...
Just to make clear...I have not badmouthed your show, or tried in any way to make it out to be anything but what it is.
I think what you're doing is admirable, and will benefit those athletes who choose to compete in your show...
That said...I do have to question your motives...you claim not to be in any competition with the NPC, yet choose to hold a show in the same city and 1 day after the NPC USA, certainly doesn't seem like it was chosen for any other reason BUT to be...
Hello Bob,
in the beginning it looked like that there would never be a problem since we are a Production,non Organization company and we only wanted to make it easy for Athletes to get something while there anyway in town.This whole thing went way out of hand.Our only intension from the beginning was to do something good for the Athletes.The reason why i said that you should check it out (The Loadedcup)was that everybody from the NPC said"As an Amateur you can not get more that $500 at an Amateur show or it is a Pro show" The Loadedcup is an IFBB Amateur show with 15000 - 20000,-Euro prize money and many giveaways.So this is the proof that you can!!!The NPC also tried to scare people with saying that this would be the reason they will get stripped of their Amateur status.This is not true.Yes Athletes will get banned for a year,according to the Amateur IFBB but nothing more.I am in this sport for 30 years now and Astrid and I are putting on this show for the Athletes.Will we make money with it? Certainly not this year but this is fine.I was about time that someone stepped up and does something for our sport,which we really love!There will be more shows with crazy prizes from the B&A only once or twice a year but certainly not anymore in July in Las Vegas.We are not against the NPC or anybody else for that matter.We are however for the Athletes and we will do everything to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better!
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Hello Bob,
in the beginning it looked like that there would never be a problem since we are a Production,non Organization company and we only wanted to make it easy for Athletes to get something while there anyway in town.This whole thing went way out of hand.Our only intension from the beginning was to do something good for the Athletes.The reason why i said that you should check it out (The Loadedcup)was that everybody from the NPC said"As an Amateur you can not get more that $500 at an Amateur show or it is a Pro show" The Loadedcup is an IFBB Amateur show with 15000 - 20000,-Euro prize money and many giveaways.So this is the proof that you can!!!The NPC also tried to scare people with saying that this would be the reason they will get stripped of their Amateur status.This is not true.Yes Athletes will get banned for a year,according to the Amateur IFBB but nothing more.I am in this sport for 30 years now and Astrid and I are putting on this show for the Athletes.Will we make money with it? Certainly not this year but this is fine.I was about time that someone stepped up and does something for our sport,which we really love!There will be more shows with crazy prizes from the B&A only once or twice a year but certainly not anymore in July in Las Vegas.We are not against the NPC or anybody else for that matter.We are however for the Athletes and we will do everything to change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better!
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?
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Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?
Massive IFBB sanction fees, perhaps? ::)
(not to mention he'd have to use IFBB judges... maybe he'd prefer to have the best bodybuilder win instead of politics being part of his show)
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Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?
Just my 3 cents...
Remember what a hard time Wayne had getting 2 or 3 pros to jump ship to the PDI? And he was established as a 20-year vet of the game who *could* get it done. How many pros would throw away a pro card and get banned just like Lee did?
Most amateurs are realistic- 90% of them know they'll never see a pro card. But if they can win a car or a pile of cash, and face a minimal suspension (meaning they can't do NPC, but CAN do other feds this year), they might see value in it.
He can recruit talent from all over the world - not just NPC guys, but as someone mentioned, teams from other countries. A guy like Sami could enter and make a killing.
Interesting, to say the least!
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Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?
He would never in a million years make any money off of having a show for 10 to 15 guys. Kinda like the womens figure. The promotors and the NPC make a ton of money from the 30 to 90 entrants per show. Once you turn pro, as a promotor you make zip and usually end up losing money, hence the reason why they have the women's pro shows at the expo during the Arnold Classic.
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He would never in a million years make any money off of having a show for 10 to 15 guys. Kinda like the womens figure. The promotors and the NPC make a ton of money from the 30 to 90 entrants per show. Once you turn pro, as a promotor you make zip and usually end up losing money, hence the reason why they have the women's pro shows at the expo during the Arnold Classic.
He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...
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just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure $250 Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure
$1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword
A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)
$1500 cash for Bikini Divas
A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.
Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!
The chance to become famous on TV!!
We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2 winner at the Night show!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee
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He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...
Mathematically, for argument's sake, he could make money if enough guys entered. No denying that. Suppose there is a fixed cost of $70k or 120k (or whatever number for event plus prizes). If enough competitors enter, he breaks even. If one more guy enters, he turns a profit.
Unless of course, you know how many athletes will enter, Bob?
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just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure $250 Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure
$1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword
A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)
$1500 cash for Bikini Divas
A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.
Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!
The chance to become famous on TV!!
We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2 winner at the Night show!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee
You will be banned soon. :'(
Chick and the IFBB hate competition.
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Mathematically, for argument's sake, he could make money if enough guys entered. No denying that. Suppose there is a fixed cost of $70k or 120k (or whatever number for event plus prizes). If enough competitors enter, he breaks even. If one more guy enters, he turns a profit.
Unless of course, you know how many athletes will enter, Bob?
Couldn't give you any guess on entrants...could be 12 in the whole show....could be 200...who knows.
I'm fairly sure Ben realizes he's going to take a loss first time around...
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He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...
you are right Bob but that is not what it is about."This show is for the Athletes" The Athletes are the most important thing that day,not the Promoter,Judges or any Organization.A show where the Athletes get at least once a year appreciated.We will treat the Athletes like King and Queens that day.Why can people not understand that someone will put on a show for Athletes and not for business.Has it always to be about money?
What about fun? Respect? Appreciation?
I can say whatever but you guy's will see when you come to our show.Talk is cheap.
Happy Eastern all together and good night.
Ben
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He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...
Maybe, maybe not. At least the potential is there.
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I once read the court verdict, but I don't remember exactly what it said. I do recall the the NPC lost the case because they would not let someone enter an NPC show because this person had entered an AAU show. I could be wrong, but I don't think it had anything to do with the other org being amateur or pro. Also I am curious how the NPC is set up on paper. Is it registered as an amateur org? The name National Physique Committee does not imply this.
The NPC does not tell any of its members where they can or cannot compete. The participation rules which govern members of the IFBB do NOT apply to the NPC.
At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you).
Note: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WON OR NOT - simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC.
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I once read the court verdict, but I don't remember exactly what it said.
I posted it on the first page of this thread. It's also on the musclememory wiki
Also I am curious how the NPC is set up on paper. Is it registered as an amateur org? The name National Physique Committee does not imply this.
it is a privately held corporation.
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just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure $250 Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure
$1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword
A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)
$1500 cash for Bikini Divas
A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.
Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!
The chance to become famous on TV!!
We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2 winner at the Night show!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee
::)
hi sean ray
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At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you).
Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years? We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred. Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?
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The NPC does not tell any of its members where they can or cannot compete. The participation rules which govern members of the IFBB do NOT apply to the NPC.
At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you).
Note: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WON OR NOT - simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC.
The main thing here of what you said is this "simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC."
They would have a very hard time explaining theirselves in court as far as how "they" are defining amateur. Of course I would imagine that the IFBB Amateur can do what they want. The NPC is what we are talking about. I am guessing that they have no right to ban or even suspend anyone who competes for money.
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Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years? We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred. Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?
No, you see, those guys you're talking about violated the code of conduct, which says "it's not a good idea to compete for money or prizes". But, the NPC Rules clearly state that "no one can compete for money or prizes if Jim Manion says they can't".
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Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years? We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred. Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?
I do not know of anyone who has lost his/her NPC eligibility, but the NPC does reserve the right to deny membership to those deemed as 'pros' by its rules.
If someone is not a current member of the NPC, then he may do whatever he wants. If he is an NPC member and competes for cash in a non-NPC physique event, the NPC may choose to bar him from future NPC competitions.
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I've wished Ben well since he first announced his event, but wow, I had no idea that the entry fee was $250.
If the plan was to piggyback on the NPC USAs, why not make it more affordable for that large contingent of physique competitors who will already be in town and in contest shape?
If the plan was NOT to piggyback on the NPC USAs, I still have to question why it costs so much to enter. Obviously it's your business, but with all due respect, that level of pricing does not seem very 'athlete-friendly' to me at all.
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It sounds like the promoter Ben has passion for BB and it seems like he isn't greedy or has a power trip problem. It sound like he is actually for helping the BB's and willing to give rather than take. All these qualities immediately disqualifies him to be associated with the IFBB or NPC. Plus, why would he do anything with another organization when doing it himself allows him the freedom to do what he wants and how he wants so he can (in the end) feel good about himself and the fact he put on a show for the BB's. Having to pay a sanction fee and obey stupid rules and crooked judges and management makes it all easier to choose to do the show on his own. I applaud this guy and if next year he has a show go on here he can count me in for sponsorship.
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Ben sounds like a good guy. Sounds passionate and interested in helping the bb'ers, nice change 8)
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I've wished Ben well since he first announced his event, but wow, I had no idea that the entry fee was $250.
If the plan was to piggyback on the NPC USAs, why not make it more affordable for that large contingent of physique competitors who will already be in town and in contest shape?
If the plan was NOT to piggyback on the NPC USAs, I still have to question why it costs so much to enter. Obviously it's your business, but with all due respect, that level of pricing does not seem very 'athlete-friendly' to me at all.
Tre, are you that far out of the loop bro? Do you reeeeeally think that an extra $250 is not doable for any of these guys who may be concidering crossing over to this show? Especially for a chance to win a car? These guys are spending thousands on their "contest prep" ;). They will find another few hundred if need be trust me.
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it is a privately held corporation.
Which is NOT licensed to do business any longer in CA........ dont know about NV.
Corporation
NATIONAL PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE OF THE USA, INC.
Number: C2171502 Date Filed: 7/20/1999 Status: surrender
Jurisdiction: OHIO
Address
PO BOX 3711
PITTSBURGH, PA 15222
Agent for Service of Process
CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE
2730 GATEWAY OAKS DR STE 100
SACRAMENTO, CA 95833
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Interesting.
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Which is NOT licensed to do business any longer in CA........ dont know about NV.
Corporation
NATIONAL PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE OF THE USA, INC.
Number: C2171502 Date Filed: 7/20/1999 Status: surrender
Jurisdiction: OHIO
Address
PO BOX 3711
PITTSBURGH, PA 15222
Agent for Service of Process
CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE
2730 GATEWAY OAKS DR STE 100
SACRAMENTO, CA 95833
Geez......Illegally operating without a license. I guess they think they are above the law???
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Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?
I think your smart enough to know why??
1st Most pros get blackballed in the IFBB...pros dont want the risk. Look at priest....
2nd The upcoming pool of athletes for the future is Amatuers...npc or natty alike.
3rd 99% of registered pros are not on contract pay from weider but still yearly pour out "due fees" for nothing to show for it. Now add in amateurs and the pool is quite large for sure!!!
4th All buisnessmen know there is an outlay of cash to make make a profit. Sometimes it takes years to turn one.....I know this is listed as a "Production" so its legal terms may be different..... 8)
5th Any athlete who has spent so much money to get to vegas for the USA champs owes it to themselves to jump in the next day to see what happens. Theyre already in shape so why not???
6th Bodybuilding is nothing more than a "Bikini" contest anyway. The hawiantropic competitors can roam around the country making money at local shows......why canyt bb's?
Listing it as a "production" is more appropiate anyway. Think about it, "competiting" is just part of the production......
Im definitly going to attend.... :o
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just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure $250 Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure
$1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword
A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)
$1500 cash for Bikini Divas
A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.
Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!
The chance to become famous on TV!!
We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2 winner at the Night show!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee
Ben, I sincerely wish you all the best on your show. I admire your efforts here , and know you realize this will be an uphill climb until the show gets "established" . Trying to start a new successful bodybuilding organization is a lot like trying to start a viable 3rd party in poltics.
If your concept is good and people like the show, it will spead and the show will grow. If it comes off poorly attended and/or disorganized it will crash and burn. EVERY successful promoter has to start somewhere however.
Good luck, you have more guts than ambition than me.
Howard
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I think your smart enough to know why??
1st Most pros get blackballed in the IFBB...pros dont want the risk. Look at priest....
2nd The upcoming pool of athletes for the future is Amatuers...npc or natty alike.
3rd 99% of registered pros are not on contract pay from weider but still yearly pour out "due fees" for nothing to show for it. Now add in amateurs and the pool is quite large for sure!!!
4th All buisnessmen know there is an outlay of cash to make make a profit. Sometimes it takes years to turn one.....I know this is listed as a "Production" so its legal terms may be different..... 8)
5th Any athlete who has spent so much money to get to vegas for the USA champs owes it to themselves to jump in the next day to see what happens. Theyre already in shape so why not???
6th Bodybuilding is nothing more than a "Bikini" contest anyway. The hawiantropic competitors can roam around the country making money at local shows......why canyt bb's?
Listing it as a "production" is more appropiate anyway. Think about it, "competiting" is just part of the production......
Im definitly going to attend.... :o
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thanks for your support!
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Ben, I sincerely wish you all the best on your show. I admire your efforts here , and know you realize this will be an uphill climb until the show gets "established" . Trying to start a new successful bodybuilding organization is a lot like trying to start a viable 3rd party in poltics.
If your concept is good and people like the show, it will spead and the show will grow. If it comes off poorly attended and/or disorganized it will crash and burn. EVERY successful promoter has to start somewhere however.
Good luck, you have more guts than ambition than me.
Howard
Hi Howard,
we will do whatever we can to make it a great experience for our Athletes.
Important: We are not an organization,we are a Production company!
Thank you very much Howard.
Ben
BTW I like challenges!
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Just thought I would posty this. I found it very interesting. Maybe Ben could elaborate a little.
"Let me tell you what really happened.We were at the Olympia Expo and we gave out thousands of flyers and business cards.2 days later someone from the NPC called me
on our B&A phone and said that the NPC would be glad to sanction our show.I said "no" like i said no to all the other Organizations because we want no politics involved in our show,this show is for the Athletes and the best Men.Women/Figure Girl will win the car.Back then everything was still fine and when i and also Athletes asked the NPC if the could compete in our show the answer was"yes"Now time went by and more and more Athletes are interested in our show and I was still under the impression that yes means yes and did send out emails to Athletes were i stated that NPC Athletes can compete in our show but the NPC got probably scared and insecure(which i do not understand at all because we are a production company and we will never be an Organization) and now they say that you will get punished if you compete in our show,go figure.Our show will be the best show any Amateur will ever attend because we really care about our Athletes and there are thousands of other Athletes out there who do not give a damm about the NPC.We still will put up posters about NPC shows and other Organizations like we say on our website.We are" in for the Athletes" and nobody else.
Ben& Astrid Promoter of the most amazing Amateur show in the World!!"
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Just thought I would posty this. I found it very interesting. Maybe Ben could elaborate a little.
"Let me tell you what really happened.We were at the Olympia Expo and we gave out thousands of flyers and business cards.2 days later someone from the NPC called me
on our B&A phone and said that the NPC would be glad to sanction our show.I said "no" like i said no to all the other Organizations because we want no politics involved in our show,this show is for the Athletes and the best Men.Women/Figure Girl will win the car.Back then everything was still fine and when i and also Athletes asked the NPC if the could compete in our show the answer was"yes"Now time went by and more and more Athletes are interested in our show and I was still under the impression that yes means yes and did send out emails to Athletes were i stated that NPC Athletes can compete in our show but the NPC got probably scared and insecure(which i do not understand at all because we are a production company and we will never be an Organization) and now they say that you will get punished if you compete in our show,go figure.Our show will be the best show any Amateur will ever attend because we really care about our Athletes and there are thousands of other Athletes out there who do not give a damm about the NPC.We still will put up posters about NPC shows and other Organizations like we say on our website.We are" in for the Athletes" and nobody else.
Ben& Astrid Promoter of the most amazing Amateur show in the World!!"
That is what happened.Can i prove it? No,do i have a name? No.I did not even really listen to that except the guy said that he was from the NPC.I do also not remember other People who called me and made the same offer because it was not important to me.However friends of mine who compete with the NPC asked back than People in charge of the NPC if it was ok and the answer was always yes!We even had a meeting with a bunch of Female NPC Bodybuilder in the New Orleans Hotel before the Olympia.The spokes person (I will not say a name because she really helped me out and still does) said also that she spoke to the people in charge and everything was fine.When January came around it changed.Since i stated the whole time that NPC Athletes can compete,they made me look like a big liar.A bad guy who tries to trick Athletes in his competition.That is what happened.
Ben
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That is what happened.Can i prove it? No,do i have a name? No.I did not even really listen to that except the guy said that he was from the NPC.I do also not remember other People who called me and made the same offer because it was not important to me.However friends of mine who compete with the NPC asked back than People in charge of the NPC if it was ok and the answer was always yes!We even had a meeting with a bunch of Female NPC Bodybuilder in the New Orleans Hotel before the Olympia.The spokes person (I will not say a name because she really helped me out and still does) said also that she spoke to the people in charge and everything was fine.When January came around it changed.Since i stated the whole time that NPC Athletes can compete,they made me look like a big liar.A bad guy who tries to trick Athletes in his competition.That is what happened.
Ben
Welcome to the Big time.....lying whores in the NPC and IFBB. Business as usual. 8)
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That is what happened.Can i prove it? No,do i have a name? No.I did not even really listen to that except the guy said that he was from the NPC.I do also not remember other People who called me and made the same offer because it was not important to me.However friends of mine who compete with the NPC asked back than People in charge of the NPC if it was ok and the answer was always yes!We even had a meeting with a bunch of Female NPC Bodybuilder in the New Orleans Hotel before the Olympia.The spokes person (I will not say a name because she really helped me out and still does) said also that she spoke to the people in charge and everything was fine.When January came around it changed.Since i stated the whole time that NPC Athletes can compete,they made me look like a big liar.A bad guy who tries to trick Athletes in his competition.That is what happened.
Ben
Just who is "They"...?
You delt with nobody in any official capacity....you don't even know if the person you were talking to, has ANYTHING to do with the NPC.
Whoever it is that IS helping you, obviuosly doesn't have the vested authority to make any such claims, or promises....do us all a favor and name her, her mouth was writing checks she couldn't cash....
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Just who is "They"...?
You delt with nobody in any official capacity....you don't even know if the person you were talking to, has ANYTHING to do with the NPC.
Whoever it is that IS helping you, obviuosly doesn't have the vested authority to make any such claims, or promises....do us all a favor and name her, her mouth was writing checks she couldn't cash....
Nice!
Share her name! Let's get to the bottom. Either a rogue employee, or NPC dirty tricks! Either way, it'd be nice to see the cause of this misunderstanding.
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Nice!
Share her name! Let's get to the bottom. Either a rogue employee, or NPC dirty tricks! Either way, it'd be nice to see the cause of this misunderstanding.
It's not any dirty tricks, just someone talking out of their ass...
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it could never be a fault of Manion's NPC ::)
It's not any dirty tricks, just someone talking out of their ass...
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tell me Chick, or anyone from the NPC, what is the motivation to threaten athletes with being blacklisted if they enter this contest? the purity of the sport? then why aren't you banning Musclemania, NGA or WNBF athletes? why haven't you even threaten to ban anyone who enters pro contests in Musclemania, NGA or WNBF in the future? to protect your monopoly? but then again, why aren't you sending out warnings to athletes to not enter Musclemania, NGA or WNBF pro events?
it is very strange that this is the only contest with prizes that matters to you.
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Just who is "They"...?
You delt with nobody in any official capacity....you don't even know if the person you were talking to, has ANYTHING to do with the NPC.
Whoever it is that IS helping you, obviuosly doesn't have the vested authority to make any such claims, or promises....do us all a favor and name her, her mouth was writing checks she couldn't cash....
She helped me out and still does big time.I would never do that.Loyalty is not just a word for me.She was not the only one who said that back than.You could asked anybody from the NPC and they would say it was ok.It was not her fault.I am pretty sure that nobody in the NPC at that point was sure what they were saying.They only got sure when they felt threaten which is a total joke for me but maybe they were right and i did not realize it back than.I do not care about the NPC.I did not start a war.I have emails in my email forwarded to me from sponsors of my show,where they get blackmailed by a very important NPC guy.No i will not share the information,i am loyal to my sponsors to but i know what really is going on and Bob you know i am right.Of course you will say again"proof it,say a name" but i am not.It is what it is.
We are in for the Athletes and that is all what matters.
We will show Athletes respect and a great time and nobody will get rushed on stage liker a certain Organization loves to do.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com most rewarding Amateur show in the world in 2008!
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Not sure giving so many trophies is a good idea. After the 1980 Mr Olympia only one trophy was presented. No one has ever destroyed a cheque, though.
Ben is holding an unofficial, unsanctioned contest with prizes that are too big. A recipe for disaster for sure.
Gotta love the way Bob Chick has an official but appointed position to represent the professional athletes. The irony there is very apt.
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This come to mind. Why is Chic commenting on this. He has NO capacity to do so. Is he not the IFBB pro rep. Yet he is on here debating over a subject he has NO authority. This proves 100% that the IFBB and NPC stooges use Chic to let people know how things are going to be done. They are 100% telling him what to say and do. But in reality whatever he says means as much as those no name people he said were talking out of the arses. The problem with this is what Ben says is most certainly 100% true. He has not one reason to lie, yet the NPC and IFBB has many reasons. This is another circumstance where the IFBB and the NPC are trying their hardest to stop someone from bettering bodybuilding. I just hope Ben sells out the event and competitors can see through all the bullshit the NPC and IFBB spewes out to try and control them. It appears to me Ben and Astrid both have their feet on the ground and can't and won't be bullied. Good for them and I hope everyone supports them. As long as they have the resources to pull this off then awesome. All you need to do Ben in concentrate on the promotion within Las Vegas. Get to all the gyms and there are a ton of them and get out posters. Getting a mailing list of the NPC competitors is pretty easy too. Spend time on the internet and look up competitors websites and directly contact them. The best thing was to schedule the show the day after. You have all those competitors to pull from. And guaranteed you will. With the prizes you are offering I can see quite a few of them entering. Use the internet as much as you can; boards, forums, blogs, websites, etc. It's amazing what you can get done and no one can stop it. Good job
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I gotta say that no one is his right mind would want to promote a bodybuilding contest!
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I gotta say that no one is his right mind would want to promote a bodybuilding contest!
Not true. No one in their right mind would want to promote an IFBB show. NPC is bad enough but the IFBB is just plain stupid. It was like when I promoted armwrestling events. I did it not to make money but because I loved armwrestling and wanted to put good events on and promote the sport to try and make it bigger. I see thats what Ben is doing. It's not all the time about the money especially if you have it and you are not counting on making a living from it. You do it cause you love it. If you make something then great if not then you come back the next time and try to make your losses less and hopefully make a little. In this time you can't do to many things in a small way and expect to get anything done. You have to make it big and you have to stick out. this show certainly does this. If Ben was just doing a small show at a local high school no one would be talking about it.
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I am NOT on the side of anyone BUT!! I am all for the athletes having a choice and to be able to win some money. What Ben is doing is great as far as I am concerned. Now, we have the NPC supposedly saying they will ban or suspend anyone who enters this show. If this is so then why havn't they put anything in writing?? They put out an announcment for the IFBB, but there was no mention for the NPC members specifically being suspended??
I would think that if the NPC did suspend anyone it would be a losing situations for them. Think about it, if some of the top ten guys who entered the USA decide to enter this show and get suspended then they will not be able to enter the Nationals, the North Americans and the USA the following year. The quality of the shows would be greatly diminished and lets face it there are not too many great "up and comings" in the National ranks at the moment. If a bunch of nobodies enter then it won't matter to them anyway, but no matter what 3 people will walk (or drive ;D) away with a car along with some other great stuff.
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It was like when I promoted armwrestling events. I did it not to make money but because I loved armwrestling and wanted to put good events on and promote the sport to try and make it bigger.
that's the problem. for some, being an NPC contest promoter is their full time job. It is their only source of income. they're promoting a show. that it's a bodybuilding show is immaterial.
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I am NOT on the side of anyone BUT!! I am all for the athletes having a choice and to be able to win some money. What Ben is doing is great as far as I am concerned. Now, we have the NPC supposedly saying they will ban or suspend anyone who enters this show. If this is so then why havn't they put anything in writing?? They put out an announcment for the IFBB, but there was no mention for the NPC members specifically being suspended??
I would think that if the NPC did suspend anyone it would be a losing situations for them. Think about it, if some of the top ten guys who entered the USA decide to enter this show and get suspended then they will not be able to enter the Nationals, the North Americans and the USA the following year. The quality of the shows would be greatly diminished and lets face it there are not too many great "up and comings" in the National ranks at the moment. If a bunch of nobodies enter then it won't matter to them anyway, but no matter what 3 people will walk (or drive ;D) away with a car along with some other great stuff.
Yep. Wonder if the guys who competed and placed high at the USA come and sit in the audience to watch the show. They see the quality of the competitors is good but they are much better. They are going to watch someone who has less quality than they have win a NEW CAR. What are they going to think about the next few weeks. The fact they won or took 2nd place or 3rd place at the USA or the fact they could have easily won a brand NEW CAR. I know winning the USA is a huge accomplishment but in reality when you win something you will think about it for awhile then okay. But when you lose something that you know you should have or could have won, that is what eats at you for a long time.
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Yep. Wonder if the guys who competed and placed high at the USA come and sit in the audience to watch the show. They see the quality of the competitors is good but they are much better. They are going to watch someone who has less quality than they have win a NEW CAR. What are they going to think about the next few weeks. The fact they won or took 2nd place or 3rd place at the USA or the fact they could have easily won a brand NEW CAR. I know winning the USA is a huge accomplishment but in reality when you win something you will think about it for awhile then okay. But when you lose something that you know you should have or could have won, that is what eats at you for a long time.
Exactly Keith! I have already heard this kind of talk from more than a few guys. In a time when most guys don't have a pot to piss in (no offense) a brand new car is a hell of a luxury to pass up.
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Well...you all know I give Bob shit....but I only call it the way I see it.
I'm on Bob's side here. Something doesn't smell Kosher
Who the hell does anything to end up in the red? Not just that...but other things going on seem to be out of order.
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Well...you all know I give Bob shit....but I only call it the way I see it.
I'm on Bob's side here. Something doesn't smell Kosher
Who the hell does anything to end up in the red? Not just that...but other things going on seem to be out of order.
Of course Ben is not PLANNING on not making any money, but he does realize that the first year he may not. Speaking of not making any money, neither the Colorado pro or the Montreal Pro made any money either year. Both of them shows have folded.
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Well...you all know I give Bob shit....but I only call it the way I see it.
I'm on Bob's side here. Something doesn't smell Kosher
Who the hell does anything to end up in the red? Not just that...but other things going on seem to be out of order.
maybe the guy will take all the entry fees then declare bankruptcy. not a bad idea. that's what i'd do!
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that's the problem. for some, being an NPC contest promoter is their full time job. It is their only source of income. they're promoting a show. that it's a bodybuilding show is immaterial.
There is no NPC propmoter making their living off of propmoting BBing shows-and that includes Jon Lindsey.
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It is hard to understand that someone steps up just for the love of Bodybuilding right?
Just to give something back to the Athletes without thinking business here.
Our Plan for the future is to break even.To have one or maybe 2 great Events where it is all about the Athletes.We are financially in a good position to do so.We just love Bodybuilding,it is simple like that.
Maybe every Amateur Athlete will find our Event great and than we will certainly make money but that was never the first thought when Astrid and I stepped up.We do not know what the future brings but at least we will try to make Amateur Bodybuilding better for the Athletes.
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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It is hard to understand that someone steps up just for the love of Bodybuilding right?
Just to give something back to the Athletes without thinking business here.
Our Plan for the future is to break even.To have one or maybe 2 great Events where it is all about the Athletes.We are financially in a good position to do so.We just love Bodybuilding,it is simple like that.
Maybe every Amateur Athlete will find our Event great and than we will certainly make money but that was never the first thought when Astrid and I stepped up.We do not know what the future brings but at least we will try to make Amateur Bodybuilding better for the Athletes.
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
the word "future" & operating in the red don't go
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maybe the guy will take all the entry fees then declare bankruptcy. not a bad idea. that's what i'd do!
The one "minor" problem with your theory is that FRAUD,and FRAUDULENT DEBTS, are not dischargable in bankruptcy. So taking the money and declaring BK won't fly.
In addition to fraud not being dischargable in BK, it is also a criminal act, and restitution cost and jail time are always a big plus in my book!
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There is no NPC propmoter making their living off of propmoting BBing shows-and that includes Jon Lindsey.
Sure there are.
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Well, a couple of untried ideas might work. Have no breast enhancements for women and have them pose topless. We might finally achieve the right balance of feminine beauty then.
No fake tans painted on. Require everyone to have a proper tan.
Test for illegal drugs. Now, that would be helping bodybuilding.
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Well, a couple of untried ideas might work. Have no breast enhancements for women and have them pose topless. We might finally achieve the right balance of feminine beauty then.
No fake tans painted on. Require everyone to have a proper tan.
Test for illegal drugs. Now, that would be helping bodybuilding.
Vince, there is a time to shut up and a time to put oneself out of their own misery (suicide). Pick one.............NOW!
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There is no NPC propmoter making their living off of propmoting BBing shows-and that includes Jon Lindsey.
Wrong again...
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Hey, Disgusted, you don't live up to your handle. Just an opinion board, ya know. Besides, my ideas have value. Imagine the crowd if you had the women posing topless as they should in a body beauty contest. Not in uptight USA, of course.
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Hey, Disgusted, you don't live up to your handle. Just an opinion board, ya know. Besides, my ideas have value. Imagine the crowd if you had the women posing topless as they should in a body beauty contest. Not in uptight USA, of course.
Hey Vince, I'm just just messin with you. Now, I did fail to mention that I liked your topless idea. ;D
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Hey, Disgusted, you don't live up to your handle. Just an opinion board, ya know. Besides, my ideas have value. Imagine the crowd if you had the women posing topless as they should in a body beauty contest. Not in uptight USA, of course.
Pure natural looks baby! All natural!
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Debussey is harvesting photos from my internet photo site. God bless him. I know he needs friends but all I did was reply to a post of his in the past and now he stalks me everywhere I go.
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Sure there are.
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Wrong again...
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The guy who promote the Masters Nationals and the North Americans. :)
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The guy who promote the Masters Nationals and the North Americans. :)
http://www.garyudit.com/
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The guy who promote the Masters Nationals and the North Americans. :)
Dont know who you are spoeaking about, but I will tell you right now that NO ONE is makign a living of of putting on the Masters Nationals and NA.
Seriously, you think soneone actully makes a LIVING off of putting on NPC shows?? If Lindsey can't, then there is no way anyone else can, Jon puts on the most shows by far.
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http://www.garyudit.com/
The North Americans is an IFBB show.
I went to Garys web page-he promotes 3 NPC shows;
1-Pittsburg
2- PA State
3- Teen and Masters Nationals
He does NOT make a living off of those shows.
Gary Udit also promotes some other shows, and who knows what else he does, but you/Gary will not make a living promoting NPC BBing shows.
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The North Americans is an IFBB show.
I went to Garys web page-he promotes 3 NPC shows;
1-Pittsburg
2- PA State
3- Teen and Masters Nationals
He does NOT make a living off of those shows.
Gary Udit also promotes some other shows, and who knows what else he does, but you/Gary will not make a living promoting NPC BBing shows.
Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. If you think you know about him then why did you have to go to his website? ::)
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If Lindsey can't, then there is no way anyone else can, Jon puts on the most shows by far.
If Lindsey can't on just the figure competitors entrance fees, he's doing something wrong.
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It depends on how you define "a living".
The masters and collegiate nationals are huge shows...around 300 competitors...I would imagine there would be some profit...how much is the question.
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Just thought I would posty this. I found it very interesting. Maybe Ben could elaborate a little.
"Let me tell you what really happened.We were at the Olympia Expo and we gave out thousands of flyers and business cards.2 days later someone from the NPC called me
on our B&A phone and said that the NPC would be glad to sanction our show.I said "no" like i said no to all the other Organizations because we want no politics involved in our show,this show is for the Athletes and the best Men.Women/Figure Girl will win the car.Back then everything was still fine and when i and also Athletes asked the NPC if the could compete in our show the answer was"yes"Now time went by and more and more Athletes are interested in our show and I was still under the impression that yes means yes and did send out emails to Athletes were i stated that NPC Athletes can compete in our show but the NPC got probably scared and insecure(which i do not understand at all because we are a production company and we will never be an Organization) and now they say that you will get punished if you compete in our show,go figure.Our show will be the best show any Amateur will ever attend because we really care about our Athletes and there are thousands of other Athletes out there who do not give a damm about the NPC.We still will put up posters about NPC shows and other Organizations like we say on our website.We are" in for the Athletes" and nobody else.
Ben& Astrid Promoter of the most amazing Amateur show in the World!!"
Hard to say how your show will go over? The NPC has a boatload of shows in most states and is the only route to the IFBB pros in the USA. One thing I like about the NPC is the organization and number of events. I can count on an good regional NPC show being there year in and year out.
Most NPC shows are judged in an objective manner despite what some may say.
It is possible your event will do fine, but you are putting out a lot and may take a loss this first year.
Good luck, Howard
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Jon Lindsay.
Jon makes quite a nice living as a promoter. He has no other job, it's his sole source of income.
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Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. If you think you know about him then why did you have to go to his website? ::)
I never said I knew the guy-you said he made a living off of promoting NPC shows, I called bullshit-and I was right.
You think posting a link to a website proves Gary is making a living off of promoting NPC shows???
If Lindsey can't on just the figure competitors entrance fees, he's doing something wrong.
There is NO WAY Jon makes a "living" off of promoting JUST NPC shows-much less just the figure competitors.
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It depends on how you define "a living".
The masters and collegiate nationals are huge shows...around 300 competitors...I would imagine there would be some profit...how much is the question.
Making a living is just that-it is paying for the basic necessities of life-food, rent, clothing, transportation and healthcare. That is making a living!
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I never said I knew the guy-you said he made a living off of promoting NPC shows, I called bullshit-and I was right.
You think posting a link to a website proves Gary is making a living off of promoting NPC shows???
There is NO WAY Jon makes a "living" off of promoting JUST NPC shows-much less just the figure competitors.
OK, well since you know Jon so well...tell me what other income he makes and from where...?
You're making a fool of yourself...
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OK, well since you know Jon so well...tell me what other income he makes and from where...?
You're making a fool of yourself...
Errr.....you asked for it Chick.....
Jon Lindsay.
Jon makes quite a nice living as a promoter. He has no other job, it's his sole source of income.
See Chick, this is what happens when you don't know what you're talking about-you open your mouth like you are an "expert" at everything BBing and then you get taken to the woodshed and spanked, which I shall now do.
Jon Lindey was a BBing wannabe, and was on the fringes trying to get into it. He competed in a few shows, got blown out, then did OK in a few later shows, but he was still a wannabe and wanted to be someone, anyone in BBing. There was only one way for him to get the BBing attention he wanted-and it was not from being a BBer.
Since everyone in San Diego hated the main promoter down there, CC Sanders, (who also never made ends meet as a promoter) Jon ran against CC for the NPC District Chairman, and won, and the started doing all the LITTLE shows.
He never made SHIT from those shows! The only reason Jon could run those shows and not make any money is because he served 20+ yers in the Navy, and receives a FULL military pension with FULL medical benefits.
And that, my Mr Know It All friend Chick is the MAIN source of on Lindseys cash flow.
If not for the MILITARY PENSION and BENEFITS Jon would not be able to promote a local go kart race.
Looks like YOU just made a fool of YOURSELF.... don't worry, wasn't the first time, won't be the last.
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Errr.....you asked for it Chick.....
See Chick, this is what happens when you don't know what you're talking about-you open your mouth like you are an "expert" at everything BBing and then you get taken to the woodshed and spanked, which I shall now do.
Jon Lindey was a BBing wannabe, and was on the fringes trying to get into it. He competed in a few shows, got blown out, then did OK in a few later shows, but he was still a wannabe and wanted to be someone, anyone in BBing. There was only one way for him to get the BBing attention he wanted-and it was not from being a BBer.
Since everyone in San Diego hated the main promoter down there, CC Sanders, (who also never made ends meet as a promoter) Jon ran against CC for the NPC District Chairman, and won, and the started doing all the LITTLE shows.
He never made SHIT from those shows! The only reason Jon could run those shows and not make any money is because he served 20+ yers in the Navy, and receives a FULL military pension with FULL medical benefits.
And that, my Mr Know It All friend Chick is the MAIN source of on Lindseys cash flow.
If not for the MILITARY PENSION and BENEFITS Jon would not be able to promote a local go kart race.
Looks like YOU just made a fool of YOURSELF.... don't worry, wasn't the first time, won't be the last.
I'm close friends with Jon, Jackass....I know he receives full pension from the Military...trust me, Einstein....the money he makes from promoting shows is MUCH more than his pension...the money he makes on the USA alone is substancial...
Oh, and BTW...thanks for the history lesson, it was completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the subject at hand....
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Paul Graham in Sydney seems to do well with his shows. He gets some sponsors and then pockets the profits. However, I am not claiming I know what he makes, etc.
Chick would never fess up that he was taken to the woodshed for a lesson. It happens regularly here on Getbig but he and Goodrum are oblivious that it does.
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I'm close friends with Jon, Jackass....I know he receives full pension from the Military...trust me, Einstein....the money he makes from promoting shows is MUCH more than his pension...the money he makes on the USA alone is substancial...
Oh, and BTW...thanks for the history lesson, it was completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the subject at hand....
Lete see what you just said;
Jon Lindsay.
Jon makes quite a nice living as a promoter. He has no other job, it's his sole source of income.
Hmmmm, it looks like you said he had He has no other job, it's his sole source of income.
Is that not what you said???????
So what is it, Jon has NO OTHER SOURCE of income, or you know he has a military pension- a SOURCE OF INCOME.
Face it, i just spanked you, and you know it.
And NO, he does not make $$$ off of promoting NPC BBing shows.
The only person making any $$ in the NPC is the head crook Manion.
I dont know what "substantial" is to you, but I have a good idea it is something different to everyone else in America.
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Paul Graham in Sydney seems to do well with his shows. He gets some sponsors and then pockets the profits. However, I am not claiming I know what he makes, etc.
Chick would never fess up that he was taken to the woodshed for a lesson. It happens regularly here on Getbig but he and Goodrum are oblivious that it does.
Yes, it appears that way. ::)
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Lete see what you just said;
Hmmmm, it looks like you said he had He has no other job, it's his sole source of income.
Is that not what you said???????
So what is it, Jon has NO OTHER SOURCE of income, or you know he has a military pension- a SOURCE OF INCOME.
Face it, i just spanked you, and you know it.
And NO, he does not make $$$ off of promoting NPC BBing shows.
The only person making any $$ in the NPC is the head crook Manion.
I dont know what "substantial" is to you, but I have a good idea it is something different to everyone else in America.
Full pension is 50% of their base pay..if you think that amounts to anything of a substancial income..I've got news for you....
now you're back peddling...now your claiming he makes NO manoey off promoting NPC shows??
Keep talking, Jackass...just making a bigger ass of yourself.
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Full pension is 50% of their base pay..if you think that amounts to anything of a substancial income..I've got news for you....
now you're back peddling...now your claiming he makes NO manoey off promoting NPC shows??
Keep talking, Jackass...just making a bigger ass of yourself.
Sounds like Jonny boy has a hard time admitting when he is wrong. Seems as if he soesn't understand the meaning of the word proof either. ;D
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I find it rather offensive than an officially appointed IFBB rep would be so crass and vulgar online. I know Bob was chosen for his lack of shame but he is unaware that his obliviousness is valuable to them, too. Bottom line is only a stooge or a patsy would volunteer to do a rep's job.
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I find it rather offensive than an officially appointed IFBB rep would be so crass and vulgar online. I know Bob was chosen for his lack of shame but he is unaware that his obliviousness is valuable to them, too. Bottom line is only a stooge or a patsy would volunteer to do a rep's job.
I find THIS offensive...
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I find THIS offensive...
vince is just carrying around some safety fat.
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Bob, you fear the keyboard in my hands! I fear no man!
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Bob, you fear the keyboard in my hands! I fear no man!
Yeah...I've heard that about you, willing to take on all men.
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Steve Martin sure has put on a lot of weight....
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206764.0;attach=242047;image)
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Hey, Bob, any chance you might open a gym some day and capitalize on your popularity, huge physique, and vast knowledge?
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Hey, Bob, any chance you might open a gym some day and capitalize on your popularity, huge physique, and vast knowledge?
Been there and done that...owned a gym in NY from 1992-2000
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Full pension is 50% of their base pay..if you think that amounts to anything of a substancial income..I've got news for you....
now you're back peddling...now your claiming he makes NO manoey off promoting NPC shows??
Keep talking, Jackass...just making a bigger ass of yourself.
Depends on what his rank was. I will tell you right now Generals and even Colonel make a very very good income and pension. I thought John dabbled in Real Estate, maybe not. I would think he makes a pretty penny from the USA's. He hold it in a place and doesn't use there A/C to save on paying for that. Rental can't be that much. Trophy cost is pretty big though. I am sure he make good money doing that show. I guess you have to consider what making a good living is. I would hope most would consider at least $5,000 a month an okay living but far from substantial. As a single person living alone that might be okay but still far from comfortable. I think a single person making at least $100,000 a year is doing well. Again depends on how he lives. I personally have lived a very good life on making just $100 a week. I know how to stretch the dollar. Plus I steal all my food and sleep in my Range Rover so I save on rent and utilities. It's how you spend your money that counts. ;D
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Hi Everybody and thanks for your support,
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We will cast a female and a male Athlete from the B&A International Classics
to have their own TV Fitness Show in Los Angeles CA.
The Athletes will be chosen by looks and personality and not by placing!!!
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Important changes at the B&As : The overall winner Women/Figure/Men
can chose to drive home their new car or can take a $10000 Sponsorship
paid in cash and full that night!
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Ben
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Depends on what his rank was. I will tell you right now Generals and even Colonel make a very very good income and pension. I thought John dabbled in Real Estate, maybe not. I would think he makes a pretty penny from the USA's. He hold it in a place and doesn't use there A/C to save on paying for that. Rental can't be that much. Trophy cost is pretty big though. I am sure he make good money doing that show. I guess you have to consider what making a good living is. I would hope most would consider at least $5,000 a month an okay living but far from substantial. As a single person living alone that might be okay but still far from comfortable. I think a single person making at least $100,000 a year is doing well. Again depends on how he lives. I personally have lived a very good life on making just $100 a week. I know how to stretch the dollar. Plus I steal all my food and sleep in my Range Rover so I save on rent and utilities. It's how you spend your money that counts. ;D
Too easy.... ;D
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Full pension is 50% of their base pay..if you think that amounts to anything of a substancial income..I've got news for you....
now you're back peddling...now your claiming he makes NO manoey off promoting NPC shows??
Keep talking, Jackass...just making a bigger ass of yourself.
Depends on what his rank was. I will tell you right now Generals and even Colonel make a very very good income and pension. I thought John dabbled in Real Estate, maybe not. I would think he makes a pretty penny from the USA's. He hold it in a place and doesn't use there A/C to save on paying for that. Rental can't be that much. Trophy cost is pretty big though. I am sure he make good money doing that show. I guess you have to consider what making a good living is. I would hope most would consider at least $5,000 a month an okay living but far from substantial. As a single person living alone that might be okay but still far from comfortable. I think a single person making at least $100,000 a year is doing well. Again depends on how he lives. I personally have lived a very good life on making just $100 a week. I know how to stretch the dollar. Plus I steal all my food and sleep in my Range Rover so I save on rent and utilities. It's how you spend your money that counts. ;D
Depends if he was enlisted or officer.
My friend who retired as an E8 with 22 years makes about $1600 a month. Thats not all that very exciting.
If he was an officer....with 20 years....maybe the average retired as an O4 or O5 with 20....that would be another $600-800 per month on top of what I previously stated.
Definitely the word 'retire' & the military doesn't mean you can fully retire. Everyone I know that retires goes out & gets a job. Unless, the move to PI, Japan, somewhere in the southern states or the desert.
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Yeah...I've heard that about you, willing to take on all men.
Just acknowledging a witty Bobslap.
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Definitely the word 'retire' & the military doesn't mean you can fully retire. Everyone I know that retires goes out & gets a job.
Exactly. People don't quit working after leaving the military.
Mr. Lindsay has also told me in conversation that contest promotion is his primary source of income.
Johnny Vegas - why do you think he would lie about such a thing? What would be his motivation?
Nevertheless, he is a unique example. The vast majority of NPC promoters have 'regular' jobs or careers just like the rest of us.
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Now, we have the NPC supposedly saying they will ban or suspend anyone who enters this show. If this is so then why havn't they put anything in writing?? They put out an announcment for the IFBB, but there was no mention for the NPC members specifically being suspended??
The NPC does not tell any of its members where they can or cannot compete. The participation rules which govern members of the IFBB do NOT apply to the NPC.
At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you).
Note: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WON OR NOT - simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC.
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Become a TV Fitness Show Star!
We will cast a female and a male Athlete from the B&A International Classics
to have their own TV Fitness Show in Los Angeles CA.
host a fitness show in LA? how last century. offer them a youtube channel, then you got something
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I get ya, so like I said why don't they make if official then and post it in writing? I'm guessing that they are not 100% sure they can suspend anyone.
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Sounds like Jonny boy has a hard time admitting when he is wrong. Seems as if he soesn't understand the meaning of the word proof either. ;D
Right...I guess that is why I spanked you and Chick all over this thread...Nice try!
I am still WATING for Disgusted to name up a promoter making a living from NPC shows!! ::)
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Hey, Bob, any chance you might open a gym some day and capitalize on your popularity, huge physique, and vast knowledge?
No, Chick is going to become a millionaire "promoting NPC shows"...Bwahahahahahah! ::)
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Exactly. People don't quit working after leaving the military.
Mr. Lindsay has also told me in conversation that contest promotion is his primary source of income.
Johnny Vegas - why do you think he would lie about such a thing? What would be his motivation?
Nevertheless, he is a unique example. The vast majority of NPC promoters have 'regular' jobs or careers just like the rest of us.
Most promoters in the NPC do have "another day job" and promote for their enjoyment of bodybuilding and a few extra $$. Jon Lindsay is in a hot spot for bodybuilding being in Southern Cal.
He does an avg of 10-12 shows per year. I am going to be conservative and say he makes over a 30k profit on just the USA. After his sanction fee to the NPC, judges fees , awards and theatre rental, I would say based on a typical turn out he may have aprox 400-500 of the TOTAL night show ticket sales at an avg of 75 each.The rest of ticket sales , sponsers and entry fees help pay the show overhead.
If he makes an avg of 3 k profit avg for the next 11 shows he gets over 30k for that. His net profit is at least 60k a year minimum. I suspect he may make more on good years???
Howard
I am being conservative here in my estimate and
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I get ya, so like I said why don't they make if official then and post it in writing? I'm guessing that they are not 100% sure they can suspend anyone.
I'm sure any possible suspensions will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
If, theoretically, 10,000 NPC current members were to compete in Ben's show, I doubt that we'd see 10,000 suspensions. IT'S POSSIBLE, though, and the NPC reserves the right to do so, but I don't think it would be a wise business decision to suspend that many competitors.
If, however, only 10 current NPC members compete, then it'll be much easier for the NPC to say "You're all suspended from NPC competition until August 2009" and I don't think you'd see too many complaints about that.
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I am still WATING for Disgusted to name up a promoter making a living from NPC shows!! ::)
well, I'm not Disgusted, but let's define "a living" as $60k a year. I think Jon Lindsey qualifies. How about Pam Betz, with both the Nationals and Junior Nationals.
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Most promoters in the NPC do have "another day job" and promote for their enjoyment of bodybuilding and a few extra $$. Jon Lindsay is in a hot spot for bodybuilding being in Southern Cal.
He does an avg of 10-12 shows per year. I am going to be conservative and say he makes over a 30k profit on just the USA. After his sanction fee to the NPC, judges fees , awards and theatre rental, I would say based on a typical turn out he may have aprox 400-500 of the TOTAL night show ticket sales at an avg of 75 each.The rest of ticket sales , sponsers and entry fees help pay the show overhead.
If he makes an avg of 3 k profit avg for the next 11 shows he gets over 30k for that. His net profit is at least 60k a year minimum. I suspect he may make more on good years???
Howard
I am being conservative here in my estimate and
Howie, I'd say that's a very fair assessment. I have promoted with Mike Katz for 10 years, so I have a bit of experience here.
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Howie, I'd say that's a very fair assessment. I have promoted with Mike Katz for 10 years, so I have a bit of experience here.
I did promote a few shows myself , so I have a pretty good idea as well.
The USA has been boomin lately so he may be making a good deal more, like 40k or above for the USA in recent yrs. Howard
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If, however, only 10 current NPC members compete, then it'll be much easier for the NPC to say "You're all suspended from NPC competition until August 2009" and I don't think you'd see too many complaints about that.
but all it would take is one to threaten to sue them and they'd back down
maybe we should start a legal defense fund now
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I did promote a few shows myself , so I have a pretty good idea as well.
The USA has been boomin lately so he may be making a good deal more, like 40k or above for the USA in recent yrs. Howard
Yes, agreed on the USA....very large shows like that can generate substantial revenues.
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Like I said before, if they ban a few top guys they only hurt themselves and the promotors. If they ban a bunch of nobodies then it doesn't matter. Either way losing situation. I really don't think anything will become of all this anyway.
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Exactly. People don't quit working after leaving the military.
Mr. Lindsay has also told me in conversation that contest promotion is his primary source of income.
Johnny Vegas - why do you think he would lie about such a thing? What would be his motivation?
Jon Lindsey says A LOT of things, much of it total BS. He does it to puff himself up trying to be a "player" in the BBing world.
Now, was Jon lying, and why would he lie?????
First, I know for a fact he did not make any money off of the shows when he started out in San Diego.
Second, I am sure Jon would say things like contest promotion is his "main source of income" just to puff up his reputation, making himself look like some super contest promoter. He used to do similar things when he was in San Diego all the time.
Just my opinion, based on facts and knowing the guy (and his bullshit) for years.
Now, having said that, Jon puts on a great show and is one of the best promoters out there-but don't confuse running a good show with making a living from running a good show ;D
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well, I'm not Disgusted, but let's define "a living" as $60k a year. I think Jon Lindsey qualifies. How about Pam Betz, with both the Nationals and Junior Nationals.
Agreed on $60K is making a living.....the question is does ANYONE make that from promoting NPC shows..I say NO, and that includes Lindsey.
There is NO WAY Lindsey is "averaging" $3K in profit off of shows like the Contra Costa (which is a co promotion), Border States and all the other local shows. In fact I would bet that the majority of them only break even.
Asd for the USA, don't know how much money is involved, and neither does anyone else here. The only ones who know what the profit is in that show are Jon and Manion. I don't think Jon promotes that show every year, but I may be wrong on that.
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I did promote a few shows myself , so I have a pretty good idea as well.
The USA has been boomin lately so he may be making a good deal more, like 40k or above for the USA in recent yrs. Howard
The USA and Nationals are the 2 BIG shows in the NPC. Is it possible a $40K profit is made-sure..........is it probable-NO.
I stand by my statement that the ONLY person making BIG BUCKS with the NPC are Manion.
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First, I know for a fact he did not make any money off of the shows when he started out in San Diego.
no one makes money when they're first starting out. but now he promotes 15 shows a year, including the USA, the California, and the IFBB California Pro Figure.
but we've lost track of why this was brought up. The AAU was a non profit athletic organization, with chairmen elected every couple of years. Shows were not meant to be money making ventures. You would host a show for a year or two, then it would rotate to someone else. The major shows would be in a different city every year, hosted by different promoters.
In the NPC, Lindsey will be the promoter of the USAs in Vegas until he retires or drops dead. Betz will have the Nationals and the Jr Nationals until she gives them up. Manion is president of the NPC for life. When you have a position for life, you tend to make decisions based on what's in your best financial interest, not what's best for the athletes.
What's in the best interest of athletes is to have more choices, more shows, more opportunities. What's in the best financial interest of Manion and Lindsey is to discourage competition by preventing B&A from getting good athletes.
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Question for anyone except brain dead people (aka Jonny fellatio). Assuming the NPC can suspend someone how does that hurt the athete?
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Question for anyone except brain dead people (aka Jonny fellatio). Assuming the NPC can suspend someone how does that hurt the athlete?
if the athlete really wants to compete he can always enter contests in Musclemania, NABBA, or other orgs. If the goal is to become an IFBB pro, then getting on the NPC's shit list is probably not a good career move. Even if they don't get suspended, you'd have to worry about being judged down. well, unless judges don't allow politics to affect their scoring.
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no one makes money when they're first starting out. but now he promotes 15 shows a year, including the USA, the California, and the IFBB California Pro Figure.
Lindsay Co Promotes the majority of those 15 shows (if he does have 15) with others, he does very few on his own, (like the Border States).
Many of those shows make little if ANY money.
The Cal is a perfect example. It is rotated between Nor Cal, LA and San Diego, and it never sells out, it usually has less people attending than most local shows. The Cal is not a money maker.
The fact is the majority of the PRO BBers makes less than $40K per year......BBing is not a main stream sport, and it does not have main stream $$ in it.
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if the athlete really wants to compete he can always enter contests in Musclemania, NABBA, or other orgs. If the goal is to become an IFBB pro, then getting on the NPC's shit list is probably not a good career move. Even if they don't get suspended, you'd have to worry about being judged down. well, unless judges don't allow politics to affect their scoring.
This is true. I don't think that anyone who seriously has a chance to get a pro card is going to enter this show, but how many people does that equate too? Maybe the top 3 in each class? Hard to make a guess though. You are right abou one thing, once you get on the shit list you are done!
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Lindsay Co Promotes the majority of those 15 shows (if he does have 15)
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The Cal is a perfect example. It is rotated between Nor Cal, LA and San Diego, and it never sells out, it usually has less people attending than most local shows. The Cal is not a money maker.
you know, on the internet, such things are easily verified. His website is http://www.lindsayproductions.com. The Cal has been at the Veteran's Memorial Auditorium in Culver city as long as I remember. (see http://www.graphicmuscle.net/Lindsay/event.aspx?event=California+State, which lists it back to 2002). The Cal is a huge show and I'm sure a big money maker for Lindsey.
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This is true. I don't think that anyone who seriously has a chance to get a pro card is going to enter this show, but how many people does that equate too? Maybe the top 3 in each class? Hard to make a guess though. You are right abou one thing, once you get on the shit list you are done!
This is how the IFBB works. Simple, effective, deadly.
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Yeah...I've heard that about you, willing to take on all men.
What some IFBB reps will stoop to. Humour or attempted putdown, Bob? Any way it is beneath contempt for a man in your official position.
Why would you use that lame hand, Bob? Running out of wit?
You've heard nothing whatever about me because there is nothing to hear. I feel compelled to reply to your comment because not doing so might give some the impression you were telling the truth.
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Lindsay Co Promotes the majority of those 15 shows (if he does have 15) with others, he does very few on his own, (like the Border States).
Many of those shows make little if ANY money.
The Cal is a perfect example. It is rotated between Nor Cal, LA and San Diego, and it never sells out, it usually has less people attending than most local shows. The Cal is not a money maker.
The fact is the majority of the PRO BBers makes less than $40K per year......BBing is not a main stream sport, and it does not have main stream $$ in it.
Goddam bro...you're as clueless as they come.
Butts in seats is a great bonus, but the profit is in the sponsorships, not the gate...Jon has made money before the door even opens.
Jon has 2 shows that make little if any money. 2 out of the 14 he puts on....he makes ore on the USA than you probably make in the year....
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Why can't we all just get along?
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Goddam bro...you're as clueless as they come.
That's blasphemy.
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how Chick got involved in this thread:
Jim Manion sends Chick a text message on his musclephone
"call me NOW"
Manion: Bob it has come to my attention that someone is trying to put on am amatuer bodybuilding show without my consent !! (horror)
Chick: How could they dare cross the god father of bodybuilding !! ??
Manion: I heard that they are actually trying to give out prizes at this show!!!
Chick: how dare they outclass they NPC!
Manion: As you know, I don't want to officially bar any NPC members from competing, risk a lawsuit and more importantly dip into my retirement funds
Chick: Do you want me to give them getbig.com timeouts?
Manion: No Bob, but I do want you to make use of your internet fame, and see to it that any NPC members are discouraged to participate in this omigod, non NPC sanctioned show!!
Chick: consider it done boss! I'm gonna jump all over that B&A show thread like Lou on a $20.
click - end of conversation.
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how Chick got involved in this thread:
Jim Manion sends Chick a text message on his musclephone
"call me NOW"
Manion: Bob it has come to my attention that someone is trying to put on am amatuer bodybuilding show without my consent !! (horror)
Chick: How could they dare cross the god father of bodybuilding !! ??
Manion: I heard that they are actually trying to give out prizes at this show!!!
Chick: how dare they outclass they NPC!
Manion: As you know, I don't want to officially bar any NPC members from competing, risk a lawsuit and more importantly dip into my retirement funds
Chick: Do you want me to give them getbig.com timeouts?
Manion: No Bob, but I do want you to make use of your internet fame, and see to it that any NPC members are discouraged to participate in this omigod, non NPC sanctioned show!!
Chick: consider it done boss! I'm gonna jump all over that B&A show thread like Lou on a $20.
click - end of conversation.
Wow... that's so close to the real conversation it's scary. Did you get that from a member of Bush's wiretapping team department of homeland security?
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"Chick's Gym" might be a winner!
Remember that Jim was Bob's mentor from the old days. No wonder Bob is still loyal today. Well, getting married and having a mortgage in expensive LA is no joke. So what if Bob has to kiss butt to pay his bills.
Still, for a guy who is supposed to be cool, I wonder how he gets to be both a stooge and dickhead on Getbig. I mean, who in his right mind would vote for a jerk like him? No wonder Jim uses the old appoint-them-for-life trick.
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"Chick's Gym" might be a winner!
Remember that Jim was Bob's mentor from the old days. No wonder Bob is still loyal today. Well, getting married and having a mortgage in expensive LA is no joke. So what if Bob has to kiss butt to pay his bills.
Still, for a guy who is supposed to be cool, I wonder how he gets to be both a stooge and dickhead on Getbig. I mean, who in his right mind would vote for a jerk like him? No wonder Jim uses the old appoint-them-for-life trick.
Thats pretty interesting being that I get a big check for $0 from the IFBB or NPC...
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Yes, agreed on the USA....very large shows like that can generate substantial revenues.
I know it might be a touchy subject but if you don't mind can you please tell me why Katz isn't promoting his show anymore? Thanks!
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Thats pretty interesting being that I get a big check for $0 from the IFBB or NPC...
so why on getbig do you always come across as their lackey?
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so why on getbig do you always come across as their lackey?
Because people are retarded and are void of individual thought....people see what they want to see, or jump on a bandwagon of shit talking fools..
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Because people are retarded and are void of individual thought....people see what they want to see, or jump on a bandwagon of shit talking fools..
Do you see the irony of this post?
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Just passing along this message. She says that any "competitor" who competes at this event will most likely not be blackballed from "competition" since no-one cares much about the show and the fact that they are charging a whooping 249.99 to every competitior just to compete however the show who be attended by an "official" who will be obtaining the names of all the competitors in the event for clerical purposes.
Don't know what this means but seeing as how I'll never grace an IFBB stage, I may just do the event...... ;D
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If by event you mean another man's ass, The Beef suspects you just might.
The Beef
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Because people are retarded and are void of individual thought....people see what they want to see, or jump on a bandwagon of shit talking fools..
Yes, Chick is the ONLY person with a brain or common sense, and everyone else is retarded".
so why on getbig do you always come across as their lackey?
Chick you are a "yes man", a "lackey", a "rubber stamp".
IFBB says jump, Chick says "How High"......
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Because people are retarded and are void of individual thought....people see what they want to see, or jump on a bandwagon of shit talking fools..
These are the same kind of "fans" that would cheer on a pro to do this...idiots all around.
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Yes, Chick is the ONLY person with a brain or common sense, and everyone else is retarded".
Chick you are a "yes man", a "lackey", a "rubber stamp".
IFBB says jump, Chick says "How High"......
You've already been made a fool of once, here...you back for more?
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You've already been made a fool of once, here...you back for more?
Do you see the irony of this post?
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I see the irony of you falling in line with the rest of the lemmings....attaboy!
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I see the irony of you falling in line with the rest of the lemmings....attaboy!
I'd like to think that they're falling in line with me because I present clear and concise arguments.
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You've I've already been made a fool of once hundreds of times, here...you I'm back for more? !
There Chick, I fixed your post.....so it it truthful..
BTW, did you still contend that Jon Lindseys ONLY source of income is from promoting NPC shows???
Or do I need to take you back to the woodshed for another spanking???
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Because people are retarded and are void of individual thought....people see what they want to see, or jump on a bandwagon of shit talking fools..
The irony is if we replace the word "people" with "Chick" and "shittalking fools" with "IFBB"....well, let's leave it shit talking fools....same thing.
So the new quote would read......
Because Chick is retarded and is void of individual thought....Chick sees what he wants to see, or jumps the bandwagon of shit talking fools(IFBB).....
I've said it before, the only thing I see about Chick is his posts seem to defend the IFBB while telling "athletes" they should stay in line and follow rules.
You're supposed to Represent the "athletes" Chick........
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There Chick, I fixed your post.....so it it truthful..
BTW, did you still contend that Jon Lindseys ONLY source of income is from promoting NPC shows???
Or do I need to take you back to the woodshed for another spanking???
I'm sure you've taken many men out to the woodshed for spankings....
The discussion was whether or not any NPC promoter made his living from promoting...Jon Lindsay does. His pension from the military don't amount to jack shit, let alone be enough to live on with any kind of lifestyle....
You were wrong, now you want to play semantics trying to save face.....you were exposed for thinking you knew what you were talking about...clearly, you don't.
Now scram...
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The irony is if we replace the word "people" with "Chick" and "shittalking fools" with "IFBB"....well, let's leave it shit talking fools....same thing.
So the new quote would read......
Because Chick is retarded and is void of individual thought....Chick sees what he wants to see, or jumps the bandwagon of shit talking fools(IFBB).....
I've said it before, the only thing I see about Chick is his posts seem to defend the IFBB while telling "athletes" they should stay in line and follow rules.
You're supposed to Represent the "athletes" Chick........
Of course that's whay you see...relying on Getbig and the peanut gallery for your source of info...you are the epitome of what I just pointed out....If you had any real knowledge of what I've done for the athletes, you wouldn't make such stupid comments.
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The discussion was whether or not any NPC promoter made his living from promoting...Jon Lindsay does. His pension from the military don't amount to jack shit, let alone be enough to live on with any kind of lifestyle....
No, you said Lindsey's ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME was from promoting NPC shows.....then you got your ass handed to you and you changed your tune-because I shot your bullshit down.
Now your saying that the military pension "don't amount to jack shit"...Hmmm.......well which is it Einstein???
Jon has 2 shows that make little if any money. 2 out of the 14 he puts on....he makes ore on the USA than you probably make in the year....
Chick, Jon does not make more money than me, not by a long shot, and that includes his military pension.
And I can guarantee you this, I make more in a year than you make in a decade-and I still have some DIGNITY left, which is worth more than money, and something you don't have.
Here is an idea for you, why not stop, step back, take a look at your "yes man" staus, and the re evaluate if your life is headed in the right direction!
You're a Pro BBer, you could be doing bigger and better things than playing "yes man" to a jerk like Manion or Weider.
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Of course that's whay you see...relying on Getbig and the peanut gallery for your source of info...you are the epitome of what I just pointed out....If you had any real knowledge of what I've done for the athletes, you wouldn't make such stupid comments.
Yes, this real knowledge Chick speaks of is also "top secret", so no one knows about all these great things he has done for the other Pro's..............
Remember, keep Chick's accomplishments on the hush-hush, it is top secret ::)
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Of course that's whay you see...relying on Getbig and the peanut gallery for your source of info...you are the epitome of what I just pointed out....If you had any real knowledge of what I've done for the athletes, you wouldn't make such stupid comments.
What you've done for the 3 guys that showed up to your one meeting?
Overall, Chickie, I think you have helped, but I think there is much farther to go.
Do you think the IFBB is currently run in an unimprovable manner?
Do you think the "athletes" are judged fairly?
Do you think that a smooth as butter Jay deserved to win last year?
Do you think an "athlete" should be able to use his body to make money in any way possible?
As a sidenote, I enjoy the peanut gallery, as do you, or you wouldn't be here defending the IFBB tooth and nail like a good little big stooge. ;)
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Come on Bob,do something for the Athletes here and let everybody from the NPC compete in our show without being blackballed.Do not give me the reason that it is only because Amateurs are not suppose to win cash and prizes.
I told you about this IFBB Amateur SHow with 20000 Euro prize money before (www.loadedcup.dk)
So what is the real reason?
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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No, you said Lindsey's ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME was from promoting NPC shows.....then you got your ass handed to you and you changed your tune-because I shot your bullshit down.
Now your saying that the military pension "don't amount to jack shit"...Hmmm.......well which is it Einstein???
Chick, Jon does not make more money than me, not by a long shot, and that includes his military pension.
And I can guarantee you this, I make more in a year than you make in a decade-and I still have some DIGNITY left, which is worth more than money, and something you don't have.
Here is an idea for you, why not stop, step back, take a look at your "yes man" staus, and the re evaluate if your life is headed in the right direction!
You're a Pro BBer, you could be doing bigger and better things than playing "yes man" to a jerk like Manion or Weider.
You make less sense with every post you make.....
Yes, his pension doesn't make a dent in his income.....which is why he makes his living AS A PROMOTER...idiot.
Another Internet millionaire on Getbig....what a surprise!!
Just like I don't count any of my smaller investments as my "source of income"....it's basically extra money...same goes for his pension.
YOU"RE the fool who thought his pension actually was something substancial and was his main source of income, as you believe he makes NOTHING from promoting shows.....when I pointed out to your lame ass that it was 50% of his base pay...you started the semantics game. Face it, you got caught talking shit you didn't have a clue about...
Keep talking....
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Yes, this real knowledge Chick speaks of is also "top secret", so no one knows about all these great things he has done for the other Pro's..............
Remember, keep Chick's accomplishments on the hush-hush, it is top secret ::)
No...they're called "minutes" and they're available for the public to see on any given day.
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What you've done for the 3 guys that showed up to your one meeting?
Overall, Chickie, I think you have helped, but I think there is much farther to go.
Do you think the IFBB is currently run in an unimprovable manner?
No, which is why I've implemented the changes I have...
Do you think the "athletes" are judged fairly?
No, which Is why I implemented the changes to the judging system, and added more comparisons, etc
Do you think that a smooth as butter Jay deserved to win last year?
Irrelevant, I was not judging....
Do you think an "athlete" should be able to use his body to make money in any way possible?
Not neccessarily...
As a sidenote, I enjoy the peanut gallery, as do you, or you wouldn't be here defending the IFBB tooth and nail like a good little big stooge. ;)
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No...they're called "minutes" and they're available for the public to see on any given day.
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Do you have a link for these "minutes"?
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Do you think that a smooth as butter Jay deserved to win last year?
Irrelevant, I was not judging....
Sure it's relevant, it's your opinion, how is it irrelevant?
Are you not allowed to have your own opinion, Robbie?
Give the head office a call and ask them how to respond. ::)
As "athletes" Rep, what would you consider an inappropriate way for a BBer to use his body to make a living?
Ask how to answer this one when you call the head office as well.
BTW, I appreciate your responses, I just wish you had the cajones to post your opinion, stooge. :-*
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Do you have a link for these "minutes"?
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www.ifbbpro.com
So, you've never seen the minutes (or for that matter, the proposals I've had passed for the athletes) and you're clearly not aware of any of the other things I've done that aren't proposals....yet, you have an opinion of me and what I've done??
amazing...
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www.ifbbpro.com
So, you've never seen the minutes (or for that matter, the proposals I've had passed for the athletes) and you're clearly not aware of any of the other things I've done that aren't proposals....yet, you have an opinion of me and what I've done??
amazing...
Did you read my opinion of you, dipshit?
OK, Why did you propose to reduce the under 210 weight class to under 202? Isn't it hard enough to find competitors under 210 much less under 202, that are professional?
Only a handful of guys, right? Makes no sense.
Also, why are there 3 womens reps, and only one male rep? With men making up the higher % of competitors, wouldn't it make sense to have to mens reps? Give the competitor two choices of who to contact.
And since they OK'd the Under 210 class, why would they reject the offer to give the winner an Olympia spot?
And this annual meeting lasted only 1 hour? Not alot to talk about, huh?
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The irony is if we replace the word "people" with "Chick" and "shittalking fools" with "IFBB"....well, let's leave it shit talking fools....same thing.
So the new quote would read......
Because Chick is retarded and is void of individual thought....Chick sees what he wants to see, or jumps the bandwagon of shit talking fools(IFBB).....
I've said it before, the only thing I see about Chick is his posts seem to defend the IFBB while telling "athletes" they should stay in line and follow rules.
You're supposed to Represent the "athletes" Chick........
Here's your post, fool....
I'm giving you the chance to show everyone how you formed this opinion....despite not knowing any facts.
By all means, show us all how smart you are...
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And since they OK'd the Under 210 class, why would they reject the offer to give the winner an Olympia spot?
is this true, chick? sounds like a dumb idea, since alot of better physiques could be in the 210 class.
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Here's your post, fool....
I'm giving you the chance to show everyone how you formed this opinion....despite not knowing any facts.
By all means, show us all how smart you are...
Overall, Chickie, I think you have helped, but I think there is much farther to go.
Here's another post, tonight, where I said you have helped.....oh no ::)
I'll say it again, and I'm not alone, as you can read throughout this thread....
You come across like the IFBB stooge and not the "athletes" rep.
I'm sure you are trying Chick....and it's not your fault, you don't have control, but for you to come here and constantly defend their decisions........makes you the stooge.
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is this true, chick? sounds like a dumb idea, since alot of better physiques could be in the 210 class.
A proposal from Bob Cicherillo that the “Under 210-lb” class receive one Olympia qualifying spot.
REJECTED
http://www.ifbbpro.com/features/minutes-ifbb-pro-committee-annual-meeting-september-27-2007/
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Do you have a link for these "minutes"?
There is no link to Fantasyland...which is where Chick is living......
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YOU"RE the fool who thought his pension actually was something substancial and was his main source of income, as you believe he makes NOTHING from promoting shows.....when I pointed out to your lame ass that it was 50% of his base pay...you started the semantics game. Face it, you got caught talking shit you didn't have a clue about...
You were the fool that said PROMOTING SHOWS WAS HIS ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME..then I spanked you.
Now you are changing your tune.....and by the way Eionstein, Lindseys SOLE SOURCE OF INCOME after he got out of the military in the 80's was his military pension, where he lived in a noce SFR in the Crown Point/Pacific Beach area of San Diego, an expensive area. So your bullshit claims that his military pension is some minor source of income is, like the rest of your "information", 100% bullshit.
From now on all I have to do is see a post from you and I know "more CHICK BULLSHIT!"
Stop being a stooge!
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There is no link to Fantasyland...which is where Chick is living......
Now that one made me laugh.
I still find it amazing that Chic is on here debating and arguing over an amateur contest and the NPC when he has nothing to do with either. The whole argument is simple. Ben is putting on a show the day after the USA and will be attracting several if not many of the competitors from the USA. The NPC doesn't like it cause they are afraid (plain and simple and very obvious) the competitors will win prizes and then start competing in Ben's show(s). Thus losing a yearly membership fee and competitors. When in fact they should just shut their mouths and let the competitors do what they want to do and let them compete where they want to compete. Ben is not a sanctioned organization. It is like a competitor going to a local bar and winning a male body contest. To get around any of this turning pro shit, just have Ben donate the prize to your girlfriend or parent. then they can turn around and hand to you. You are competing on behalf of your girlfriend or parent but the prize is awarded to them. In any case just let Ben put on a great show and then the competitors can thank him afterwards. And I know I am rambling but I am kicking this guys ass in chess at the same time I am writing.
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There is one esay way to get around all this. Instead of prize money make it payment for services rendered. In other words make it a short term contract. A lot of amateurs are sponsored by supplement companies and half the time they do nothing at all. Are these amateurs all of the sudden considered pro because they are making a living because they are bodybuilders? No not at all. So amateurs can can make 100K per year by being "sponsered" by a supplement company while some "pros" make nothing at all.
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There is one esay way to get around all this. Instead of prize money make it payment for services rendered. In other words make it a short term contract. A lot of amateurs are sponsored by supplement companies and half the time they do nothing at all. Are these amateurs all of the sudden considered pro because they are making a living because they are bodybuilders? No not at all. So amateurs can can make 100K per year by being "sponsered" by a supplement company while some "pros" make nothing at all.
Yes that is a great answer. ben can put them on a one day performance contract. The competitor who performs the best during the show will recieve a bonus of a car. That is a GREAT answer to this. The NPC can't do shit and all the NPC competitors could join no problem. Ben this is the way to do this show. It is basically a sponsorship contract or a modeling contract. AWESOME remedy!
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I think we can safely state that Chick is a certified stooge for the IFBB. We retarded pumpkin heads in the peanut gallery are devoid of much in the way of neuron connections but we clearly recognize a bona fide stooge when we see one.
Chick is over his depth and sinking fast but he insists he is okay and everyone else is marching out of step. No wonder the dude got appointed. No one with a sense of justice would still be volunteering to do that job. Bob likes to say he doesn't get paid. That is nonsense because he uses that position to elevate his status in the professional bodybuilding community.
The issue of promoters making money is a matter of fact and not an opinion to be argued about on the internet. Surely only a stooge would keep banging his head against the barn door after the horses have bolted.
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Yes that is a great answer. ben can put them on a one day performance contract. The competitor who performs the best during the show will recieve a bonus of a car. That is a GREAT answer to this. The NPC can't do shit and all the NPC competitors could join no problem. Ben this is the way to do this show. It is basically a sponsorship contract or a modeling contract. AWESOME remedy!
Interesting point you have,i think i can do that for the US Athletes!The other Nations do not care!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Interesting point you have,i think i can do that for the US Athletes!The other Nations do not care!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Hi Ben - How many competitors do you have registered so far?
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Thats pretty interesting being that I get a big check for $0 from the IFBB or NPC...
lifetime appointment to an IFBB post without any kind of a vote - priceless
i guess being manions buddy hasn't been so bad to you.
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Hi Ben - How many competitors do you have registered so far?
Aren't we like 3 or 4 months out from the show. Thats like asking Jon how many are registered for the USA. Even though his show is huge they still don't register this far out.
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lifetime appointment to an IFBB post without any kind of a vote - priceless
i guess being manions buddy hasn't been so bad to you.
But Chic has repeatedly said its the IFBB that gives all the pros the platform and ability to make money. So I wonder if Chic would have these jobs if he weren't an IFBB pro. Chic did you have these jobs before you turned pro.
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Hi Ben - How many competitors do you have registered so far?
Hi Tre,
i can not say because people always jump on it but let me tell you this and i think it shows big things to come.
We have coming Teams from
Germany,Australia,Austria,Belgium,Holland,Portugal,France,Italy,England,Northern Ireland,Slovakia,Romania,
Russia,since this morning Tunesia and i think i forgot 1 or 2,have to check but of course USA as well.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
we have a maximum of about 300 Athletes but if it is 310 or 320 we will not say no.We got rid of late registration (changes on the website today)so it is $250 or $99 for Bikini Divas and oversea Athletes can crossover for free anyway.
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Germany,Australia,Austria,Belgium,Holland,Portugal,France,Italy,England,Northern Ireland,Slovakia,Romania,
Russia,since this morning Tunesia and i think i forgot 1 or 2,have to check but of course USA as well.
Wow... that is HUGE.
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You were the fool that said PROMOTING SHOWS WAS HIS ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME..then I spanked you.
Now you are changing your tune.....and by the way Eionstein, Lindseys SOLE SOURCE OF INCOME after he got out of the military in the 80's was his military pension, where he lived in a noce SFR in the Crown Point/Pacific Beach area of San Diego, an expensive area. So your bullshit claims that his military pension is some minor source of income is, like the rest of your "information", 100% bullshit.
From now on all I have to do is see a post from you and I know "more CHICK BULLSHIT!"
Stop being a stooge!
You seem to bring up spanking a lot in your posts....sounds like you have some issues to address...
How would you know what resources Jon had when he got out of the military? He could have already had money, his family could have money? Could have had investments, etc........looks like the only bullshit being spewed here, is from the spankmaster....
Take a shot, idiot....how much do you believe Jon makes through his pension every month?
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But Chic has repeatedly said its the IFBB that gives all the pros the platform and ability to make money. So I wonder if Chic would have these jobs if he weren't an IFBB pro. Chic did you have these jobs before you turned pro.
Where I am today is directly related to becoming an IFBB pro...as is the case with just about anyone who has managed to make a successful career out of pro bodybuilding..
What's your point?
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Hi Tre,
i can not say because people always jump on it but let me tell you this and i think it shows big things to come.
We have coming Teams from
Germany,Australia,Austria,Belgium,Holland,Portugal,France,Italy,England,Northern Ireland,Slovakia,Romania,
Russia,since this morning Tunesia and i think i forgot 1 or 2,have to check but of course USA as well.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
we have a maximum of about 300 Athletes but if it is 310 or 320 we will not say no.We got rid of late registration (changes on the website today)so it is $250 or $99 for Bikini Divas and oversea Athletes can crossover for free anyway.
Is it Ben1 from the MD forums ?
if so, you should post some pics and introduce yourself so people can see you know the game 8)
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Hi Tre,
i can not say because people always jump on it but let me tell you this and i think it shows big things to come.
We have coming Teams from
Germany,Australia,Austria,Belgium,Holland,Portugal,France,Italy,England,Northern Ireland,Slovakia,Romania,
Russia,since this morning Tunesia and i think i forgot 1 or 2,have to check but of course USA as well.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
we have a maximum of about 300 Athletes but if it is 310 or 320 we will not say no.We got rid of late registration (changes on the website today)so it is $250 or $99 for Bikini Divas and oversea Athletes can crossover for free anyway.
That sounds good. Just taking a guess, it looks like you've already got commitments from at least 30-40 people, which is a good number this far out from a contest.
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Take a shot, idiot....how much do you believe Jon makes through his pension every month?
Enought to live on.
If you cannot read, I already posted he lived in a SFR in Pacific Beach/Crown Point off his military pension.
And I hate to break the news to you Einstein, but the ytpical "trust funder" does NOT go into the navy for 20+ years...... but hey, don't let the facts, logic or common sense get in the way of another one of your moronic posts.
Fire away douche bag, you're up. ::)
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Enought to live on.
If you cannot read, I already posted he lived in a SFR in Pacific Beach/Crown Point off his military pension.
And I hate to break the news to you Einstein, but the ytpical "trust funder" does NOT go into the navy for 20+ years...... but hey, don't let the facts, logic or common sense get in the way of another one of your moronic posts.
Fire away douche bag, you're up. ::)
Apparently, it's you who cannot read....you wouldn't know where his money was coming from, you're asuming he was using his pension as his sole source of income...
No one said he was a "trust funder"....money can come at any point in one's life, not neccesarily when someone is 20 and enlisting in the Navy...
So far, you have none of the three going for you you listed...just opinion, conjecture and assumptions....
I'm assuming you found a man to spank, this is the first post you don't bring it up.....
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Is it Ben1 from the MD forums ?
if so, you should post some pics and introduce yourself so people can see you know the game 8)
Hi Stavios,
i am not important.I know the game since 30 years but the show is about the Athletes not me but thanks.
Ben
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Ben has won many contest, NABBA Mr. Universe, NABBA Mr. Europe, Overall Natural Olympia etc
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben8.jpg)
(http://www.aicitalia.org/2008/lasvegas/ben7.jpg)
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I'm assuming you found a man to spank, this is the first post you don't bring it up.....
Yes, I have, and his name I Bob "Chick" Cicherillo.... ;D
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Where I am today is directly related to becoming an IFBB pro...as is the case with just about anyone who has managed to make a successful career out of pro bodybuilding..
What's your point?
My point is I love you and miss you.
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Bob Chick,
since Tim Forgarty and many others have pointed out the painfully obvious,
why do you fail to address your lackey behaviour on getbig?
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Vocabulary 101 for Chick. These words describe you and your appointed position as PAR. Stooge, puppet, patsy, lackey, dunce, busboy, parrot.
Hope this helps.
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Bob Chick,
since Tim Forgarty and many others have pointed out the painfully obvious,
why do you fail to address your lackey behaviour on getbig?
Nothing obvious has been pointed out, just the same old shit from the same old goofs. When asked to provide any proof, they start fumbling and talking nonsense...
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Bob, you just don't get it and never will because you have no shame. Jim is using you and for some strange reason you antagonize others and tow the party line. You obviously haven't a clue about your own obliviousness which is trademark stooge for sure. Guys like you are flotsam for the IFBB. They give you official positions and you get a swelled head.
No one in his right mind would volunteer to be pro athletes rep. What is hard to comprehend about that? Even the dopes here on Getbig wouldn't want that position. Then you embrace it and make a dickhead of yourself defending the IFBB instead of the pro athletes. Your record is here for everyone to see. The way you abandoned Lee Priest is hardly good union stuff. You said you can't represent individuals! What a jackass you are. I know you aren't completely stupid but your position is untenable. Then you take on all comers here and make a complete ass of yourself but keep trying to get the last word in. Amazing. You and Goodrum have the same tenacious quality.
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No one in his right mind would volunteer to be pro athletes rep. What is hard to comprehend about that? Even the dopes here on Getbig wouldn't want that position.
While I don't think Chick has accomplished nearly enough as athletic rep, I do think he's trying. But getting the execs of the IFBB to agree to change is nearly impossible.
But athletic rep is not the same as official internets spokesman, which is what Chick really is. Just like with Dana Perino, its hard to think that he believes half of what he says.
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Bob, you just don't get it and never will because you have no shame. Jim is using you and for some strange reason you antagonize others and tow the party line. You obviously haven't a clue about your own obliviousness which is trademark stooge for sure. Guys like you are flotsam for the IFBB. They give you official positions and you get a swelled head.
No one in his right mind would volunteer to be pro athletes rep. What is hard to comprehend about that? Even the dopes here on Getbig wouldn't want that position. Then you embrace it and make a dickhead of yourself defending the IFBB instead of the pro athletes. Your record is here for everyone to see. The way you abandoned Lee Priest is hardly good union stuff. You said you can't represent individuals! What a jackass you are. I know you aren't completely stupid but your position is untenable. Then you take on all comers here and make a complete ass of yourself but keep trying to get the last word in. Amazing. You and Goodrum have the same tenacious quality.
Can't tell if you're actually that clueless or just alzheimers creeping up in your old age, Basile...First off, I was willing to fight the good fight well before any "athlete's rep" position was created, and tried forming a union for all the athletes at the height of my career...
Lee was never abandoned, it was Lee that abandoned the IFBB...and I STILL went to bat for him, Just as I've been doing the last 4 weeks...of course, you don't have a fuckin clue about that, either....
I never said I can't represent individuals...those are YOUR words. What I said was, I cannot put in a proposal for the entire Pro League based on one individuals agenda.....once again, wrong... and don't have the facts straight (no surprise there)
Anyone can run for the position, as has been mention time and again....so far, there have been no takers.
The only one making an ass of themselves is YOU...everytime you post one of your pedofile-loking pictures of your fat self on the internet for all to laugh at....or attempt to talk shop about something you have ZERO knowledge of, aren't involved in, and use Getbig as your source of info....
No fool like an old fool...
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While I don't think Chick has accomplished nearly enough as athletic rep, I do think he's trying. But getting the execs of the IFBB to agree to change is nearly impossible.
But athletic rep is not the same as official internets spokesman, which is what Chick really is. Just like with Dana Perino, its hard to think that he believes half of what he says.
I know we all disagree on some things, but I give Bob credit. He is really trying to make things better for the athlete. I know he has bumped heads with the powers that be to get things changed. We all have to remember that even Bob can only do so much.
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I agree with Tim and Disgusted and I said it last night......that still doesn't mean Bob should be here running to the defense of the IFBB, that is what makes him look like their lackey.
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I agree with Tim and Disgusted and I said it last night......that still doesn't mean Bob should be here running to the defense of the IFBB, that is what makes him look like their lackey.
Name one time where I've run to the defense of the IFBB?
Interpreting rules, and defending them are two different things....there are many rules I've disagreed with, which is why I submit proposals to have them changed for the betterment of the athletes, as my record proves....
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I agree with Tim and Disgusted and I said it last night......that still doesn't mean Bob should be here running to the defense of the IFBB, that is what makes him look like their lackey.
That is because Chick is a lackey, plain and simple.
Nothing obvious has been pointed out, just the same old shit from the same old goofs. When asked to provide any proof, they start fumbling and talking nonsense...
Traslation= I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
While I don't think Chick has accomplished nearly enough as athletic rep, I do think he's trying. But getting the execs of the IFBB to agree to change is nearly impossible.
But athletic rep is not the same as official internets spokesman, which is what Chick really is.
Chick trying?? Trying to be what?....... head stooge and parrot for the IFBB? That seems painfully obvious to most everyone here. Show me ONE POST, JUST ONE, where he has said the IFBB is wrong and needs a fix.
Bob, you just don't get it and never will because you have no shame. Jim is using you and for some strange reason you antagonize others and tow the party line. You obviously haven't a clue about your own obliviousness which is trademark stooge for sure. Guys like you are flotsam for the IFBB. They give you official positions and you get a swelled head.
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Ding, ding, ding, and we have a winnner!
Name one time where I've run to the defense of the IFBB?
Are you KIDDING ME CHICK??
Just look at ALL of your posts-they are all IFBB party line parroting. You are like a parrot that can mimic whatever it is taught.
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Well Chick get that Drug rule deleted from the Pro rule book.It's a Fukin joke and so many people are laughing at this so called sport.Drug testing without drug testing =IFBB drug rules. ::)
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Bob, you need to read How to Win Friends and Influence People. You resort to offensive insults that shouldn't be part of your arsenal. Just use your intelligence and the facts. No need to label me a pedophile and suffering from old age. My brain is a thorn in your side and that is why you respond to me. I know what I am talking about.
Philosophy 100 Bob. Do you know what a principle is? Well, your PAR position should be one where you argue from principle. Eg., should pros be able to enter any contests they like? Should pros be independent agents?
What occupies most of your efforts is communicating to the athletes what the IFBB wants, and what JM wants. Why on earth doesn't any other pro want that precious position as PAR? Well, they know it will backfire and they will be hated no matter what they do. A pro cannot both represent others and compete against them. That is clear. So perhaps a retired pro like yourself is suitable but why aren't there any elections for that position? You call bodybuilders knuckleheads but only you are ass enough to accept that position. Don't you see the irony in that?
Do you ever step back and think about what is best for bodybuilding? I doubt it. You are in bed with the IFBB and merely parrot what JM tells you to say.
I have no doubt you are doing your best. Well, what about drug testing? What about obscene behaviour of pros? What about breast implants? You uphold the IFBB no matter what is being enforced. The bottom line is the IFBB doesn't respect the bodybuilders. They would have insisted on drug testing long ago but refused to do much because they feared others would take over and the athletes would go to the untested shows.
How is it possible in America that the governor of California can co-host a bodybuilding show that doesn't do testing of illegal drugs ? Something stinks in bodybuilding and you are part of the problem.
I am sorry, Bob, I seldom attack others but your words here are despicable and I have to defend myself. You should be ashamed of what you post but you have no shame and the more you defend the IFBB the more you lose any respect that should be yours. I really shake my head when I think of what you post. The IFBB have trained you well but you come out a dickhead after all is said and done.
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That is because Chick is a lackey, plain and simple.
Traslation= I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
Chick trying?? Trying to be what?....... head stooge and parrot for the IFBB? That seems painfully obvious to most everyone here. Show me ONE POST, JUST ONE, where he has said the IFBB is wrong and needs a fix.
Ding, ding, ding, and we have a winnner!
Are you KIDDING ME CHICK??
Just look at ALL of your posts-they are all IFBB party line parroting. You are like a parrot that can mimic whatever it is taught.
Classic....just proved EXACTLY what I've been saying.
Just bullshit, over and over....no factual evidence, nothing of any intelligent value, just spouting off like you know what you're talking about....you can join your buddy Basile in the Clueless club....
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Classic....just proved EXACTLY what I've been saying.
Just bullshit, over and over....no factual evidence, nothing of any intelligent value, just spouting off like you know what you're talking about....you can join your buddy Basile in the Clueless club....
Chick= Clueless lackey, stooge, head IFBB butt kisser.
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Bob, you need to read How to Win Friends and Influence People. You resort to offensive insults that shouldn't be part of your arsenal. Just use your intelligence and the facts. No need to label me a pedophile and suffering from old age. My brain is a thorn in your side and that is why you respond to me. I know what I am talking about.
Philosophy 100 Bob. Do you know what a principle is? Well, your PAR position should be one where you argue from principle. Eg., should pros be able to enter any contests they like? Should pros be independent agents?
What occupies most of your efforts is communicating to the athletes what the IFBB wants, and what JM wants. Why on earth doesn't any other pro want that precious position as PAR? Well, they know it will backfire and they will be hated no matter what they do. A pro cannot both represent others and compete against them. That is clear. So perhaps a retired pro like yourself is suitable but why aren't there any elections for that position? You call bodybuilders knuckleheads but only you are ass enough to accept that position. Don't you see the irony in that?
Do you ever step back and think about what is best for bodybuilding? I doubt it. You are in bed with the IFBB and merely parrot what JM tells you to say.
I have no doubt you are doing your best. Well, what about drug testing? What about obscene behaviour of pros? What about breast implants? You uphold the IFBB no matter what is being enforced. The bottom line is the IFBB doesn't respect the bodybuilders. They would have insisted on drug testing long ago but refused to do much because they feared others would take over and the athletes would go to the untested shows.
How is it possible in America that the governor of California can co-host a bodybuilding show that doesn't do testing of illegal drugs ? Something stinks in bodybuilding and you are part of the problem.
I am sorry, Bob, I seldom attack others but your words here are despicable and I have to defend myself. You should be ashamed of what you post but you have no shame and the more you defend the IFBB the more you lose any respect that should be yours. I really shake my head when I think of what you post. The IFBB have trained you well but you come out a dickhead after all is said and done.
Exactly what I expected Basile....more bullshit.
I answered to everyone of your allegations...one at a time...of course, you responded to NONE of them. You know why? Because your as clueless as I painted you. You cannot answer to anything I respond to, because you don't have the knowledge to put together a cohesive answer based on fact or information....you just start rambling on about other bullshit, and ignore what you've been schooled on
scram, loser
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Chick= Clueless lackey, stooge, head IFBB butt kisser.
Case and point...
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You are a Sophist, Bob, and nothing more. You try to win the arguments any way you can.
Only Bob Chick is smart enough to represent bodybuilders. How you treat each individual reflects on your ability to relate to people. You have a knack for using insults to try to get others to abandon the argument. Well, that doesn't work on Getbig. You are not winning many friends with your performance. Get Manion to do his own dirty work and defend the IFBB and his pro league or whatever it is.
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Name one time where I've run to the defense of the IFBB?
Interpreting rules, and defending them are two different things....there are many rules I've disagreed with, which is why I submit proposals to have them changed for the betterment of the athletes, as my record proves....
Click on your profile and read "the last posts of this person"......you are a variable book of IFBB defense.
If that is how you represent the "athletes" then so be it.....
When is the next election to elect a new representative, if the IFBB "athletes" choose to vote a new one in?
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I have the interest of bodybuilders and bodybuilding at heart. No one can suggest otherwise.
In the meantime, there you are in a capacity to do something and you come up almost empty handed. I could easily come up with a better organization than the IFBB. This organization would serve the athletes and the sport. Instead of the drug-infested men and women we would have healthy individuals who are a credit to the sport.
You are part of the problem, Bob, so congratulations for that.
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You are a Sophist, Bob, and nothing more. You try to win the arguments any way you can.
Only Bob Chick is smart enough to represent bodybuilders. How you treat each individual reflects on your ability to relate to people. You have a knack for using insults to try to get others to abandon the argument. Well, that doesn't work on Getbig. You are not winning many friends with your performance. Get Manion to do his own dirty work and defend the IFBB and his pro league or whatever it is.
Again...I answered every one of your allegations....and you STILL have yet to respond in kind.
I've given you a chnce to retort, Basile....all you're proving is that I'm right...about everything I say about you....it's your own arrogance that's telling.
You don't answer because you CAN'T answer....plain and simple.
I relate to people just fine, as well as the athletes...that's why you don't see them coming here and talking shit, ever wonder that? It's douchbags like yourself who don't make a rats ass worth of difference I couldn't care less about making friends with....
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Click on your profile and read "the last posts of this person"......you are a variable book of IFBB defense.
If that is how you represent the "athletes" then so be it.....
When is the next election to elect a new representative, if the IFBB "athletes" choose to vote a new one in?
Still looking for you to come up with one....please, be specific. I wan't you to be able to prove yourself right.
Anytime now....
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Again...I answered every one of your allegations....and you STILL have yet to respond in kind.
I've given you a chnce to retort, Basile....all you're proving is that I'm right...about everything I say about you....it's your own arrogance that's telling.
You don't answer because you CAN'T answer....plain and simple.
I relate to people just fine, as well as the athletes...that's why you don't see them coming here and talking shit, ever wonder that? It's douchbags like yourself who don't make a rats ass worth of difference I couldn't care less about making friends with....
Do you need a hug Bob? :-\
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Only a dickhead would resort to suggesting someone is a pedophile. I find your statements totally reprehensible and something I would never stoop to using.
Sure, I know you are pissed off that I keep calling you a stooge and now others see that you are exactly that. Sorry, but you brought that on yourself by being the patsy for the IFBB.
Hope this helps.
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do you idiots think things would be better for the athletes if bob chic was NOT their rep?
so what if he is pro IFBB? it gave him a living.
truthfully, i doubt anyone before him cared enough to take on this task, and i don't see any IFBB athletes in this thread, or on any bodybuilding board anywhere saying he is doing a piss poor job except you clowns.
reform takes time, especially within a organisation that has been monopolistic as long as the IFBB has been.
if YOU want change so badly for the atheletes step up like Ben1 and do something to manifest change.
if you aren't willing to put the effort into making change, the stfu.
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do you idiots think things would be better for the athletes if bob chic was NOT their rep?
so what if he is pro IFBB? it gave him a living.
truthfully, i doubt anyone before him cared enough to take on this task, and i don't see any IFBB athletes in this thread, or on any bodybuilding board anywhere saying he is doing a piss poor job except you clowns.
reform takes time, especially within a organisation that has been monopolistic as long as the IFBB has been.
if YOU want change so badly for the atheletes step up like Ben1 and do something to manifest change.
if you aren't willing to put the effort into making change, the stfu.
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do you idiots think things would be better for the athletes if bob chic was NOT their rep?
so what if he is pro IFBB? it gave him a living.
That is like saying do you think bears shit in the woods????
In a word YES!
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Chick is a Great rep just ask Lee oh and milos.Get that Drug Rule deleted Chick now that would be a great job. ;D
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you answered your own question.
your so-called interpretation of the rules, is ifbb ass kissing at its best.
case in point - you pretending that the ifbb does not arbitrarily enforce its rules with regard to lee priest's suspension.
please do manion et al a favour, offer them another service in place of policing the internet. you make the ifbb look even worse.
Name one time where I've run to the defense of the IFBB?
Interpreting rules, and defending them are two different things....there are many rules I've disagreed with, which is why I submit proposals to have them changed for the betterment of the athletes, as my record proves....
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Again...I answered every one of your allegations....and you STILL have yet to respond in kind.
I've given you a chnce to retort, Basile....all you're proving is that I'm right...about everything I say about you....it's your own arrogance that's telling.
You don't answer because you CAN'T answer....plain and simple.
I relate to people just fine, as well as the athletes...that's why you don't see them coming here and talking shit, ever wonder that? It's douchbags like yourself who don't make a rats ass worth of difference I couldn't care less about making friends with....
Still waiting, Basile....
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you answered your own question.
your so-called interpretation of the rules, is ifbb ass kissing at its best.
case in point - you pretending that the ifbb does not arbitrarily enforce its rules with regard to lee priest's suspension.
please do manion et al a favour, offer them another service in place of policing the internet. you make the ifbb look even worse.
Still nothing, huh?
Only proving my point further....
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Johnny Vegas is taking a beating in this thread
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Bob forgets that I have been around this game for 50 years next January. I have seen the squabbles between York and Weider and then Dan Lurie joined in. I saw the demise of NABBA and the passing of Hoffman. Things change and in the old days people booed Joe Weider when he appeared on stage at the Olympia. Bill Reynolds told me it bothered Joe and he wanted to know why the people booed him.
Well, Joe used to have editorials where he boasted about things and took credit for more than he was entitled to. Same thing was true of Bob Hoffman. These two guys were not lacking in ego. Times have changed and Joe is sick and old but gets applause when he is presented to the public. The guy loves bodybuilding.
Ben Weider was involved with bodybuilding but I swear his heart was never with the bodybuilders. I well remember him in the movie with Bev Francis and he made sure Bev never won the Ms Olympia no matter what she did. That was a travesty for sure. I saw how they screwed Serge Nubret and Sergio Olivia and Dave Draper. Joe didn't care who won the Olympia because they were all his champions. That is quite true.
We all admired Joe for being fair when the AAU was an organization that didn't allow until 1970 a black to win Mr America. Joe had contests for all bodybuilders and that was his strength. Eventually he had the most important contest and everyone who lifted a weight wanted to be Mr Olympia.
Ben had this vision of having bodybuilding in the Olympic games. He failed to see that occur and now I doubt it will ever happen. Nice try, though. I doubt the IFBB was acceptable because of the taint of the drugs. What was allowed at the professional level tainted the rest of the IFBB. Ben tolerated the drugs because he fought for decades to be the premier organization in bodybuilding and knew how fickle the bodybuilders were. You had to treat them like sheep and use a sheep dog like Bob Chick to keep them in line. Reward loyalty and expel independent individuals was the way they operate. Ben appointed himself life president of the IFBB when he feared that Serge Nubret had a strong following in Europe. It was a simple matter to ban Serge and discredit him.
So we can blame and thank Joe and Ben for the state of professional bodybuilding today. They made decisions and came up with rules and a procedure to control the sport. I am ashamed of the sport of bodybuilding at the professional level. It is beyond reasonable to tolerate what is happening. If what gh15 and others say is true then drugs have ruined this once noble sport. Who in their right mind would want to be a professional bodybuilder? Would any woman want to do what is necessary to win the Ms Olympia?
Why would anyone support the IFBB or be a volunteer for them? It is preposterous to support what they are doing. We have intelligent people like Howie questioning this sport but he is afraid there is little that can be done to change things. Bob is there going along with the IFBB and tries to make piecemeal changes so that the best competitor wins at shows, etc. That is like trying to put a bandage on a limb that needs to be amputated. The whole sport is sick and Bob should be trying to clean it up instead of saying stuff like things are okay as long as they are not obvious. Goodness me how convenient.
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Exactly what I expected Basile....more bullshit.
I answered to everyone of your allegations...one at a time...of course, you responded to NONE of them. You know why? Because your as clueless as I painted you. You cannot answer to anything I respond to, because you don't have the knowledge to put together a cohesive answer based on fact or information....you just start rambling on about other bullshit, and ignore what you've been schooled on
scram, loser
Still nothing??
Anytime now, blowhard....
Thanks for the history lesson....now see if you can focus on the shiney thing over here called a QUESTION..!
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Bob, you hardly represent me or millions of other bodybuilders out there. That you are loyal to the IFBB is nice for you but doesn't impress me. I will never support a corrupt organization.
Question for the IFBB PAR: Do they do drug testing at pro IFBB contests? If not, why not? What is your personal opinion about using drugs and other substances, etc., to enhance muscles?
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Bob, you hardly represent me or millions of other bodybuilders out there. That you are loyal to the IFBB is nice for you but doesn't impress me. I will never support a corrupt organization.
Question for the IFBB PAR: Do they do drug testing at pro IFBB contests? If not, why not? What is your personal opinion about using drugs and other substances, etc., to enhance muscles?
Are you really just that fuckin dumb, or oblivious...or both?
I answered your allegations....now I'm STIlL waiting for your response. Back yourself and your statements up....you made some allegations and opinions, I answered them.....
Now you ignore it, because you can't answer without making a bigger ass of yourself....
Get lost Basile...you're a bigger clown than I thought you were. You've been exposed as a clueless blowhard. Go back to reveling in your Mr. Canada victory
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Here is a question to the hapless and vuglar Chick. Would you be willing to let someone peruse all communications between you, Jim, and the IFBB? Or would you be ashamed to let those emails, etc., be made public?
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Unbelieveable....
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Unbelieveable....
You should see his views in the "fat peoples lack of willpower is sickinging" thread, then again I am sure you've already seen them. ;)
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Yeah, Bob, QED. You fear the truth, don't you?
Go back to using insults because you do not have the capacity to debate rationally with me.
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Bob, why you feel compelled to belittle past champions of the IFBB is sad. You are behaving in a manner that is bringing shame to the IFBB. The code of conduct should be followed by all those associated with the IFBB. There is no need to be crass and vulgar in your posts to others.
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Bob forgets that I have been around this game for 50 years next January. I have seen the squabbles between York and Weider and then Dan Lurie joined in. I saw the demise of NABBA and the passing of Hoffman. Things change and in the old days people booed Joe Weider when he appeared on stage at the Olympia. Bill Reynolds told me it bothered Joe and he wanted to know why the people booed him.
Well, Joe used to have editorials where he boasted about things and took credit for more than he was entitled to. Same thing was true of Bob Hoffman. These two guys were not lacking in ego. Times have changed and Joe is sick and old but gets applause when he is presented to the public. The guy loves bodybuilding.
Ben Weider was involved with bodybuilding but I swear his heart was never with the bodybuilders. I well remember him in the movie with Bev Francis and he made sure Bev never won the Ms Olympia no matter what she did. That was a travesty for sure. I saw how they screwed Serge Nubret and Sergio Olivia and Dave Draper. Joe didn't care who won the Olympia because they were all his champions. That is quite true.
We all admired Joe for being fair when the AAU was an organization that didn't allow until 1970 a black to win Mr America. Joe had contests for all bodybuilders and that was his strength. Eventually he had the most important contest and everyone who lifted a weight wanted to be Mr Olympia.
Ben had this vision of having bodybuilding in the Olympic games. He failed to see that occur and now I doubt it will ever happen. Nice try, though. I doubt the IFBB was acceptable because of the taint of the drugs. What was allowed at the professional level tainted the rest of the IFBB. Ben tolerated the drugs because he fought for decades to be the premier organization in bodybuilding and knew how fickle the bodybuilders were. You had to treat them like sheep and use a sheep dog like Bob Chick to keep them in line. Reward loyalty and expel independent individuals was the way they operate. Ben appointed himself life president of the IFBB when he feared that Serge Nubret had a strong following in Europe. It was a simple matter to ban Serge and discredit him.
So we can blame and thank Joe and Ben for the state of professional bodybuilding today. They made decisions and came up with rules and a procedure to control the sport. I am ashamed of the sport of bodybuilding at the professional level. It is beyond reasonable to tolerate what is happening. If what gh15 and others say is true then drugs have ruined this once noble sport. Who in their right mind would want to be a professional bodybuilder? Would any woman want to do what is necessary to win the Ms Olympia?
Why would anyone support the IFBB or be a volunteer for them? It is preposterous to support what they are doing. We have intelligent people like Howie questioning this sport but he is afraid there is little that can be done to change things. Bob is there going along with the IFBB and tries to make piecemeal changes so that the best competitor wins at shows, etc. That is like trying to put a bandage on a limb that needs to be amputated. The whole sport is sick and Bob should be trying to clean it up instead of saying stuff like things are okay as long as they are not obvious. Goodness me how convenient.
You folks ever notice that everytime Basile gets stumped on a question, he automatically starts talking about "the good old days" and how things went.
Its like clockwork....soon as he gets stumped, out comes the names of Arnold and Lou and Larry Scott and Franco.......
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I compared Chick's tenacity to that of yourself, Melvin. Don't overlook when I mention your name.
Are you contributing to this thread or just shit stirring?
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Bob is like a computer, he doesn't respond unless you feed him the right information.
Okay, Bob, can you tell us how Lee's application to be reinstated in the IFBB is going? Will he be eligible to compete in contests in time to qualify for this year's Olympia? I heard a rumour that he will be accepted back in the IFBB. What is the latest?
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I compared Chick's tenacity to that of yourself, Melvin. Don't overlook when I mention your name.
Are you contributing to this thread or just shit stirring?
Its an educated analysis that you don't wish to answer his question because you can't.
I do believe that you are jealous of him because of his status and the fact that you never made anything of your bodybuilding career and he did.
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Melvin, I thought it was painfully obvious that I am jealous of your doctorate! You won't tell us the institution that awarded you that degree after you made a small donation to them.
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Here is a question to the hapless and vuglar Chick. Would you be willing to let someone peruse all communications between you, Jim, and the IFBB? Or would you be ashamed to let those emails, etc., be made public?
All communication between Bob and Manion is texts over the Lift Studios Muscle PhoneTM.
Thanks, Musclephone! :D
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Its an educated analysis that you don't wish to answer his question because you can't.
I do believe that you are jealous of him because of his status and the fact that you never made anything of your bodybuilding career and he did.
it's been what, 8 years you've been on the forums talking about how good you'll look at the next bodybuilding show, and making up stories.
what a sad life. i know doorjams that have seen more success than you.
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It is pretty funny watching a bunch of grown men argue over Jon's financial income & except for his tax guy....probably nobody really knows.
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I guess Chick would like this thread to disappear.
I love the way he got repped in a salute Bob thread. Now, that is the peanut gallery he was knocking here.
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It is pretty funny watching a bunch of grown men argue over Jon's financial income & except for his tax guy....probably nobody really knows.
LOL!
Chick "started it"........ ::)
nah nah nanah na naaaaah.......
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still unable to defend your lackey behaviour chick?
Still nothing, huh?
Only proving my point further....
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the B&A Bodybuilding should compliment the NPC USA weekend not compete against it
every year the day before the Oscars - there is the Spirit Awards that takes place on the beach in Santa Monica
where the winners of the best Indie Films have their own ceremony
many of the nominees are also up for Oscars and get to go on the Red Carpet the next night
it makes sense to hold these events back to back - plus it is good for the economy
sure the folks in Vegas are seeing dollar signs with the USA Weekend extended for an extra day
hotels / car rentals etc
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the B&A Bodybuilding should compliment the NPC USA weekend not compete against it
every year the day before the Oscars - there is the Spirit Awards that takes place on the beach in Santa Monica
where the winners of the best Indie Films have their own ceremony
many of the nominees are also up for Oscars and get to go on the Red Carpet the next night
it makes sense to hold these events back to back - plus it is good for the economy
sure the folks in Vegas are seeing dollar signs with the USA Weekend extended for an extra day
hotels / car rentals etc
Vegas probably loses money. Since hardly any of the BB's actually gamble they are taking away rooms from potentially higher rollers. The rooms would be filled regardless if the USA's were there or not same with the rental cars. Hotel do not care about filling rooms as they do having people gamble. Thats why they are willing to comp rooms and food and other shit. ANything so you will gamble more.
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Vegas probably loses money. Since hardly any of the BB's actually gamble they are taking away rooms from potentially higher rollers. The rooms would be filled regardless if the USA's were there or not same with the rental cars. Hotel do not care about filling rooms as they do having people gamble. Thats why they are willing to comp rooms and food and other shit. ANything so you will gamble more.
TRUE- However -Vegas in July(+August)is not exactly the peak season with 100+ degrees (but it's a dry heat)
Embassy Suites is not exactly the Bellagio-doubt you'd find any "high rollers" staying there anytime soon.
So the Hilton folks probably don't mind putting up with a hotel full of fitness gals/bodybuilders this one weekend out of the year.
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Here you go Basile....
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Bob, you have the hide of an elephant! No wonder they appointed you to your lifetime position.
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the B&A Bodybuilding should compliment the NPC USA weekend not compete against it
every year the day before the Oscars - there is the Spirit Awards that takes place on the beach in Santa Monica
where the winners of the best Indie Films have their own ceremony
many of the nominees are also up for Oscars and get to go on the Red Carpet the next night
it makes sense to hold these events back to back - plus it is good for the economy
sure the folks in Vegas are seeing dollar signs with the USA Weekend extended for an extra day
hotels / car rentals
If we would compete against it it would be on the same day and not 1 day later,so that makes no sense what you are saying.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Hello everybody,here is just a reminder for the most rewarding Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure Show in the history of our Sport!
The B&A International Classics 2008 and no NPC puppet comments please,we all know how the NPC feels about us!
So compete in our show and help us to change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better so we can put on more crazy shows (next year Mr/Ms Universe and Bikini Diva World championship)with more crazy prizes!!!
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men)
wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
1st place winner wins a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entrys we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
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some italian big gun will compete at this competition
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Wow more Prize money than 98% of IFBB Pro shows someone is doing something right.Nice work and I bet you don't have some stupid Drug Rule typed up somewhere just for looks HAHAHAHA.All the best for your show.Competition is healthy.IFBB Drug Rule = No Drug Rule.
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some italian big gun will compete at this competition
chhhhhhhhhhhhhh no names my friend,I thank you for all your support and I am looking forward to a great Italian Team at our show,it is going to be a lot of fun!!!
Thanks Tem
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Good job Ben. don't cave in. With prizes like that you are already giving back to the BB's more than 99% will ever make from bodybuilding. Those are the kind of people you want in your contest. i can really see the woman division getting huge. Maybe next year have a "joke" division and our resident "joke" Vince Goodrum could be the reigning king for a long time.
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Good job Ben. don't cave in. With prizes like that you are already giving back to the BB's more than 99% will ever make from bodybuilding. Those are the kind of people you want in your contest. i can really see the woman division getting huge. Maybe next year have a "joke" division and our resident "joke" Vince Goodrum could be the reigning king for a long time.
Thanks onlyme,
and everybody else for the support! We need to change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better!!!
Keep the thread up guys so we can have the most kick ass show in years,
regarding Mr.Goodrum,he even went to some Bodybuilding sites in Europe to warn people about our show.
His introduction was " This is Vince Goodrum, "Yes the REAL VINCE GOODRUM" I just want to tell you about the consequences blah blah.....unfortunately for him all these sites were supporter of our show!
So he really is against us!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Thanks onlyme,
and everybody else for the support! We need to change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better!!!
Keep the thread up guys so we can have the most kick ass show in years,
regarding Mr.Goodrum,he even went to some Bodybuilding sites in Europe to warn people about our show.
His introduction was " This is Vince Goodrum, "Yes the REAL VINCE GOODRUM" I just want to tell you about the consequences blah blah.....unfortunately for him all these sites were supporter of our show!
So he really is against us!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Well having Vince against you is better than having him associated with the show. He is the joke wherever and whatever he does. If he was at all associated with your show people would immediately think it was a joke. So, it is a good thing he is has nothing to do with your show. And don't worry he could never enter your show since having any kind of entry fee immediately eliminates him. Could you imagine a show with this lump of shit in it. hahaha
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Well having Vince against you is better than having him associated with the show. He is the joke wherever and whatever he does. If he was at all associated with your show people would immediately think it was a joke. So, it is a good thing he is has nothing to do with your show. And don't worry he could never enter your show since having any kind of entry fee immediately eliminates him. Could you imagine a show with this lump of shit in it. hahaha
of course it is better that he has nothing to do with us,it is just that he made the effort to even post in Europe to tell people not to compete in our show and I was wondering where that came from,is he such a NPC puppet?
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Goodrum should get a sponsor's exemption so that he can compete without having to borrow against his equity in the company he works for.
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Remember how hard this photo initially rocked the bodybuilding community? And how embarrassed we all felt for making such a fuss over those silly B&W Dorian sock pics?
I remember.
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People are too hard on internet legend Melvin Goodrum. Ben should sign up Melvin in his Muntzer-like condition to guest pose at his show. Would be great entertainment.
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I saw melvin at the olympia expo. But i wasnt sure as this guy had the body of a 14 year old video game champion. There was NO muscularity at all... :-[
Thats when i knew he was delusional.
Goodrum, quit your complaining about the athletes having more opportunities to compete for prizes.
For gawds sake if you cant be an athlete, be an athletic supporter....(oh wait, you are.) :-X
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Hello everybody,here is just a reminder for the most rewarding Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure Show in the history of our Sport!
The B&A International Classics 2008 and no NPC puppet comments please,we all know how the NPC feels about us!
So compete in our show and help us to change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better so we can put on more crazy shows (next year Mr/Ms Universe and Bikini Diva World championship)with more crazy prizes!!!
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men)
wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
1st place winner wins a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entrys we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
how much are the taxes on those winnings and is it a lease or the winner gets the title? Some poor idioti is going to pay over $200 to enter and leave vegas owing taxes out of his ass if he wins
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how much are the taxes on those winnings and is it a lease or the winner gets the title? Some poor idioti is going to pay over $200 to enter and leave vegas owing taxes out of his ass if he wins
taxes are paid by us for the cars and motorbike,if it goes to oversea there are no taxes and the International Athletes will be really good,BTW a lot of poor idiots going to pay over $200 a day earlier and go home with nothing(membership card and registration)at all !
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Goodrum should get a sponsor's exemption so that he can compete without having to borrow against his equity in the company he works for.
we could make an exception for him and let him start in Bikini Divas,it is only $99 so maybe he can afford that.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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taxes are paid by us for the cars and motorbike,if it goes to oversea there are no taxes,a lot of poor idiots going to pay over $200 a day earlier and go home with nothing(membership card and registration)at all !
Interesting statement....I didn't realize every competitor in your show gets a car.
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Interesting statement....I didn't realize every competitor in your show gets a car.
No Bob but every competitor gets at least something and has the chance to win a car,motorcycle....
come on Bob you better than that.At least we are not saying "You win a Pro card" when in reality you only win the right to buy one,how cheap is that?
Or we could say "Every competitor wins a car" oh wait no every competitor wins the right to buy a car at our show,how is that?
You are just cheap and now you try to stir up shit because we give so much for the Athletes.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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No Bob but every competitor gets at least something and has the chance to win a car,motorcycle....
come on Bob you better than that.At least we are not saying "You win a Pro card" when in reality you only win the right to buy one,how cheap is that?
Or we could say "Every competitor wins a car" oh wait no every competitor wins the right to buy a car at our show,how is that?
You are just cheap and now you try to stir up shit because we give so much for the Athletes.
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
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And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
BOB. Its great to have some other avenues open to the athletes huh! Your the athletes rep so surely you agree. Unless your the ifbbs rep..... :-\
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Interesting statement....I didn't realize every competitor in your show gets a car.
Where did you see it says EVERY competitor gets a car. Chic are getting the IFBB disease. You start seeing and reading things that aren't there
And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
Not to be mean but didn't it take you about 100 times to win that. And as a pro you have to pay $200 a year membership fee to win nothing. So, is it the dream of every BB to sacrifice so much and get nothing in return. I mean you do realize that Ben's show (1st one mind you) is giving away more in money and prizes than the IFBB gives in more than 90% of their contests and they are 50 years old. I mean really, you would think the IFBB would at least feel like crap knowing they are cheap and have ruined the dreams of more BB's dreaming of making a living as a pro BB than they have helped. If an amateur BB can make more than 90% of the pros out there while still competing in a BB show then great. But you have to admit Ben's show sure sounds like it is going to blow away any NPC show for excitement and definitely prizes and also blow away the majority of IFBB shows in both excitement and prizes.
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And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
If Ben contest will be a fiasco, bodybuilding or NPC will have profit?
I don't think so
Ben is work genuinely for the progress of the bodybuilding, in a difficult time for the competitions,
I hope NPC will corrects his position
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If Ben contest will be a fiasco, bodybuilding or NPC will have profit?
I don't think so
Ben is work genuinely for the progress of the bodybuilding, in a difficult time for the competitions,
I hope NPC will corrects his position
The NPC doesn't need a 'position' at all relative to this event that has not yet happened.
B&A: "I'm doing a show in Vegas the same weekend as your USAs."
NPC: "Ok. Good luck to you. Let us know if you'd like any information on becoming a part of the NPC in the future."
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END OF STORY
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And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
I know Bob you have to say what you have to say since you are paid by the powers to be.In another thread you came down on me with"get your facts straight" because we are not an Amateur show according to you and your Organization and that Athletes will get banned and stripped of their Amateur status for that reason,when in fact IFBB Amateur Athletes all over the World compete for cash and prizes way over $500 all the time (example www.loadedcup.dk)Your Organization tried to scare every NPC Athlete,so that they stay away from our show!Your Organization has blackmailed all my sponsors and 2 actually turned away for that reason.(I have proof in my email but I will not make it public,at least not right now)Your Organization did also everything in their power to let our Guests know that they will get banned and all that BS if they show up at our competition and you had a little succes with Jeannie since she was planing her come back.Your Organization even called Jay to tell him to stay away from our show.
So here are other facts:
99% of all Amateur Bodybuilders will never turn Pro (even you tried 14 times?)
95% of all Amateur Bodybuilders who turn Pro in the IFBB,will never make a single dollar with Bodybuilding!
We give Amateurs new hope to finally make some money,we have no political BS involved in our show.
I went to the USA many many times and especially when it comes to Women BB and Figure the outcome was most of the time unbelievable.All the people in the audience are stunned by the crap the judges were doing.
I am not fighting with you Bob,you need to say anyway what you need to say,just my 2 cents so
..............keep it real Bob!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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The NPC doesn't need a 'position' at all relative to this event that has not yet happened.
B&A: "I'm doing a show in Vegas the same weekend as your USAs."
NPC: "Ok. Good luck to you. Let us know if you'd like any information on becoming a part of the NPC in the future."
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END OF STORY
is really an end..
if a show promoter loses 50.000$ or more, he cannot organize other competitions in the future
with this politics NPC will reign on the ruins of the bodybuilding
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I know Bob you have to say what you have to say since you are paid by the powers to be.In another thread you came down on me with"get your facts straight" because we are not an Amateur show according to you and your Organization and that Athletes will get banned and stripped of their Amateur status for that reason,when in fact IFBB Amateur Athletes all over the World compete for cash and prizes way over $500 all the time (example www.loadedcup.dk)Your Organization tried to scare every NPC Athlete,so that they stay away from our show!Your Organization has blackmailed all my sponsors and 2 actually turned away for that reason.(I have proof in my email but I will not make it public,at least not right now)Your Organization did also everything in their power to let our Guests know that they will get banned and all that BS if they show up at our competition and you had a little succes with Jeannie since she was planing her come back.Your Organization even called Jay to tell him to stay away from our show.
So here are other facts:
99% of all Amateur Bodybuilders will never turn Pro (even you tried 14 times?)
95% of all Amateur Bodybuilders who turn Pro in the IFBB,will never make a single dollar with Bodybuilding!
We give Amateurs new hope to finally make some money,we have no political BS involved in our show.
I went to the USA many many times and especially when it comes to Women BB and Figure the outcome was most of the time unbelievable.All the people in the audience are stunned by the crap the judges were doing.
I am not fighting with you Bob,you need to say anyway what you need to say,just my 2 cents so
..............keep it real Bob!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Thanks for all that, Ben...but you never addressed the point.
You made a statement to the fact that all these "idiots" as you calld them, will spend $200 on entry fee, etc...and leave with NOTHING. I asked why your show was any different? That unless you're giving a car away to EVERY competitor, you as well will have many "idiots" that pay YOU $200/PLUS and leave with the same "nothing"?
Is that not correct?
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Thanks for all that, Ben...but you never addressed the point.
You made a statement to the fact that all these "idiots" as you calld them, will spend $200 on entry fee, etc...and leave with NOTHING. I asked why your show was any different? That unless you're giving a car away to EVERY competitor, you as well will have many "idiots" that pay YOU $200/PLUS and leave with the same "nothing"?
Is that not correct?
Well then it is just like being an IFBB pro paying his yearly dues and then having to pay more money to enter each contest.
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Well then it is just like being an IFBB pro paying his yearly dues and then having to pay more money to enter each contest.
There is no entry fee for pro's
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bobby,
how convenient you addressed exactly zilch of his many points, including how the ifbb/npc feel the need to threaten his sponsors.
btw - please show me where ben said "every competitor receives a car"?
Thanks for all that, Ben...but you never addressed the point.
You made a statement to the fact that all these "idiots" as you calld them, will spend $200 on entry fee, etc...and leave with NOTHING. I asked why your show was any different? That unless you're giving a car away to EVERY competitor, you as well will have many "idiots" that pay YOU $200/PLUS and leave with the same "nothing"?
Is that not correct?
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BTW a lot of poor idiots going to pay over $200 a day earlier and go home with nothing(membership card and registration)at all !
That's not a very nice thing to say...especially if you're hoping that some of those same people might also enter your event, given that they will already be in contest shape and in Vegas.
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Then I could do the same thing Mahooney did in Police Academy and give the competitors directions to the Blue Oyster where they will be treating to dancing.... ;D
Yuu got that because Police Academy was on TV yesterday....and the Blue Oyester Bar (gay) scene was funny as shit ;D
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bobby,
how convenient you addressed exactly zilch of his many points, including how the ifbb/npc feel the need to threaten his sponsors.
btw - please show me where ben said "every competitor receives a car"?
He never addressed mine....
I don't know of any "threatening" that's taken place...
He never said "every competitor receives a car"....that was the point (which you obviously missed). go back and read my first response to him...maybe you'll get it this time.
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yes, your great "point" is that you think that he is stating that every competitor receives a car (even though he didn't state that).
yes Bob, I'm sure you would disclose any info you had on the threatening / scare tactics of the NPC
He never addressed mine....
I don't know of any "threatening" that's taken place...
He never said "every competitor receives a car"....that was the point (which you obviously missed). go back and read my first response to him...maybe you'll get it this time.
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yes, your great "point" is that you think that he is stating that every competitor receives a car (even though he didn't state that).
yes Bob, I'm sure you would disclose any info you had on the threatening / scare tactics of the NPC
LOL...let me guess..you're 14 years old, right?
English class, kid....get to it.
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well spoken, for a GED holder that is.
TOEFL might be a good qualification for you to add to your vast educational background, look into it.
LOL...let me guess..you're 14 years old, right?
English class, kid....get to it.
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And at the USA, they get a chance to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro....
Just keeping it real, Ben...
And do you know what the value is "to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro"????
It is a NEGATIVE value-you LOSE money by becoming an IFBB Pro.
The costs to compete as an IFBB Pro are FAR greater than any prize money (almost nonexistant) and endorsement contracts.
Get serious Chick. You are so full of bullshit it fucking amazes me.
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LOL @ Bob defending the company line, once again.
He doesn't care when the compettitors make porn films or go to prison for drug trafficking.
but when another company offers to give away thousands of $ to the compettitors, the day AFTER an NPC show, Bob is ready to melt down.
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There is no entry fee for pro's
What do YOU call a $200 yearly fee?????
Who the fuck makes an athlete member pay MONEY to be a PRO??????
No one...wel no one but the fucked up IFBB.
LOL @ Bob defending the company line, once again.
He doesn't care when the compettitors make porn films or go to prison for drug trafficking.
but when another company offers to give away thousands of $ to the compettitors, the day AFTER an NPC show, Bob is ready to melt down.
Bob is a fucking wannabe. He wants to be someone in the IFBB and this is his way to make his bones. Fucking idiot.
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That's not a very nice thing to say...especially if you're hoping that some of those same people might also enter your event, given that they will already be in contest shape and in Vegas.
Hi Tre,if you read it back that was Bob who called him "Idiots" in the first place,I just repeated it,sorry for any misunderstanding here
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And do you know what the value is "to realize their goal of becoming an IFBB pro"????
It is a NEGATIVE value-you LOSE money by becoming an IFBB Pro.
The costs to compete as an IFBB Pro are FAR greater than any prize money (almost nonexistant) and endorsement contracts.
Get serious Chick. You are so full of bullshit it fucking amazes me.
Ignorance at it's finest....
Here's a newsflash for you...NO ONE has ever got into pro BB for the money. People get into competitive BB for the challenge and the chance to compete against others...or to achieve a goal...like winning the USA and being the BEST on a given day.
There are plenty like myself who have made quite a nice living from being a pro BB...competing ON STAGE is merely ONE part of being a successful pro...
Of course, you knew that already.
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taxes are paid by us for the cars and motorbike,if it goes to oversea there are no taxes and the International Athletes will be really good,BTW a lot of poor idiots going to pay over $200 a day earlier and go home with nothing(membership card and registration)at all !
Is that so, Ben?
Still waiting for an answer to my question I've asked 3 times now....
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competing ON STAGE is merely ONE part of being a successful pro...
and that sums up the sad state of our sport.
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Ignorance at it's finest....
Here's a newsflash for you...NO ONE has ever got into pro BB for the money. People get into competitive BB for the challenge and the chance to compete against others...or to achieve a goal...like winning the USA and being the BEST on a given day.
There are plenty like myself who have made quite a nice living from being a pro BB...competing ON STAGE is merely ONE part of being a successful pro...
Of course, you knew that already.
Arnold never got rich from competing, it was what he did while not competing.
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Is that so, Ben?
Still waiting for an answer to my question I've asked 3 times now....
anytime now, Ben...
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anytime now, Ben...
sorry i am not always on the computer big Bob,what you mean anyway?
yes you preferred to the Athletes "as idiots" first or what else do you want?
Like i said i am not going to fight with you,makes no sense you are paid by the IFBB to belittle our competition anyway?
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sorry i am not always on the computer big Bob,what you mean anyway?
yes you preferred to the Athletes "as idiots" first or what else do you want?
Like i said i am not going to fight with you,makes no sense you are paid by the IFBB to belittle our competition anyway?
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facial paralysis?
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please excuse him, Bob had a sudden memory loss
sorry i am not always on the computer big Bob,what you mean anyway?
yes you preferred to the Athletes "as idiots" first or what else do you want?
Like i said i am not going to fight with you,makes no sense you are paid by the IFBB to belittle our competition anyway?
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please excuse him, Bob had a sudden memory loss
So I Guess you are going to be doing the show....we can wait to see that mess...!
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anytime now, Ben...
ben is an idiot who swears he's smarter than most AMERICANS. he should take that shit show of his to europe, where he's from. maybe there, they'll listen to his BS....................
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sorry i am not always on the computer big Bob,what you mean anyway?
yes you preferred to the Athletes "as idiots" first or what else do you want?
Like i said i am not going to fight with you,makes no sense you are paid by the IFBB to belittle our competition anyway?
You're making yourself look bad, Ben...
I quoted YOUR post as referring to the athletes that compete the day before your show....and it's quite clear you refer to thm as idiots.
I then asked you to clarify that the same percentage will leave YOUR show, $200 poorer with nothing to show as well...is that not correct?
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taxes are paid by us for the cars and motorbike,if it goes to oversea there are no taxes and the International Athletes will be really good,BTW a lot of poor idiots going to pay over $200 a day earlier and go home with nothing(membership card and registration)at all !
Is this NOT your quote, Ben?
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....Got to honest, bro....I'd have taken the USA title 100 times over a car....I can buy a car, a title you have to earn...
Just like you "earned" the Master's title? ;)
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Just like you "earned" the Master's title? ;)
Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.
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Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.
not saying that he should have beat you, but dont you think that jeffers should have AT LEAST placed two or three spots higher than he did ?
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Is this NOT your quote, Ben?
this was my answer to your quote,do not turn it around Bob,you like to twist things around right!!
your quote:
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
so you called Athletes idiots in the first place and i was only referring to you
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this was my answer to your quote,do not turn it around Bob,you like to twist things around right!!
your quote:
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real gay and illiterate, Ben...
:o :o :o
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this was my answer to your quote,do not turn it around Bob,you like to twist things around right!!
your quote:
You made the statement trying to be condecending to the NPC USA competitiors...when in reality, you'll have the same percentage of "idiots", that paid you $200 or more, and leave with nothing except a gym bag full of goodies...no different than the NPC.
Just keeping it real, Ben...
Are you smoking weed? Notice the word "Idiots" is in quotes....that was in DIRECT response to YOUR post, which I quoted....YOU used the word IDIOTS to decribe the athletes competing in the USA, and how they'll get NOTHING for their $200...
Go back and read what YOU wrote....
wow...!
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Chick you of all people know how many Idiots there are in BB just look around at the Drug Abuse and how the IFBB have a benign Drug Rule that never gets used for Pros.Why not let the guy run a show that is giving so much to the competitors??You should only worry about IFBB Pros and how little they make from shows.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
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All this arguing is making me hungry. >:( ;D
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not saying that he should have beat you, but dont you think that jeffers should have AT LEAST placed two or three spots higher than he did ?
Forget Jeffers, Pavol should have been placed ahead of Bob also.
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Are you smoking weed? Notice the word "Idiots" is in quotes....that was in DIRECT response to YOUR post, which I quoted....YOU used the word IDIOTS to decribe the athletes competing in the USA, and how they'll get NOTHING for their $200...
Go back and read what YOU wrote....
wow...!
you know what Bob,after reading it back yes it was quoted but not by you(see you writing so much BS you confuse people) anyway it was Spicy Sushi in Post 652 i referred to and not you,so (I can not believe I am doing this right now) I am sorry for the mix up but I would never call the Athletes "Idiots" I just responded to it.Anyway Bob are we done now.You know we are going nowhere with this.If you want to talk to me call me at 7024082508 (in case you have to say something important)or I see you anyway in a week or 2 at Golds Venice.
I also would really like to see a letter what says that NPC Athletes get banned if they compete at our show.
It is all talk up and until now.make a statement,show me something,you made the effort to send out a letter to the Pro's but where is the letter for the Amateurs? Let me guess "Can't do because scared about lawsuit"
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The IFBB never worry about Lawsuits as they don't even enforce their own Drug Rule. ::)
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Pavol and Sonny Schmidt never had a fair go in the IFBB. Wonder how Bob got the nod from the judges? He sure knows how to bullshit all day long.
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Pavol and Sonny Schmidt never had a fair go in the IFBB. Wonder how Bob got the nod from the judges?
You mean in the "Bodybuilding.com Master's World Championship"?
Beats me. :-\
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You mean there was a conflict of interest because Bob is associated with that company? Doesn't matter because that was a third tier show and nobody cares who won it. Well, except for Pavol and Rusty!
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You mean there was a conflict of interest because Bob is associated with that company? Doesn't matter because that was a third tier show and nobody cares who won it. Well, except for Pavol and Rusty!
So you're saying Bob finally found a show where he could excel?
http://snappoll.com/poll/263548.php
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Bob is a student of bodybuilding and would have seen what Arnold did to win contests. You know, network with important people like the judges and IFBB officials. It all paid off. He got what he deserved and he deserved what he got. Doesn't mean he was the best man in an IFBB contest, does it?
Can anyone imagine Bob on the phone to JM? "Jesus, I have Meltdown, Onlyme, Goatboy and that prick Basile to deal with in one thread!"
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Bob could care less.He is a True Pro just looking out for number 1 himself just like most Pros.That's why he loves the fact the IFBB don't Drug test makes them all look better promoting shit supps that don't work.Would you spend $2000 on Drugs or $2000 on supps for a Pro show.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Kno wing they the IFBB don't Drug test Most would go with DRUGS. ::)
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It won't be long before Bob is out there repossessing cars and selling furniture.
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Can't we all just get along? ???
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his boy's employer wasn't bodybuilding.com, coincidentally a big sponsor of the show
Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.
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Just catchen up here ..... In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.
I do hope that Ben has a successful event but regardless of what it is called .... it still "appears" that those who enter it could be banned from entering future NPC contests for a certain time period as determined by the NPC, although it would be interesting to see how a court of law would interpret this "amateur vs professional" definition.
But if an athlete did enter a contest that offered "awards of value", someone in or out of the NPC would have to make an official complaint to the NPC and include all the facts of that subject complaint and aligations.
I can tell you personally that the powers that be within the NPC do not make such decisions against an athlete without giving due consideration to all the facts.
Some GetBiggers have mentioned the names of various competitors who competed for monetary awards outside of the NPC and are still competing in NPC sanctioned events, but no mention is made to the fact that some or each of those contestants were "reprimanded" in some manner for a certain time period.
Before jumping all over Bob, you should realize that none of us are knowledgeable of the facts involved in each individual case; and before any official action is ever taken by the NPC national office, an official complaint must be brought before the NPC national office. In many cases, no one wishes to be the guy who makes the waves for other athletes so an official complaint is never made.
Last thought .... I've been a big Lee Priest fan for many years, yet I still cannot understand why he would want to (or even "expect to") come back into an organization he apparently despises. And based on his numerous posts and accusations against the IFBB, I tend to understand why the IFBB would want to keep him out.
It's apparent to me that most of you who have complaints against Bob, don't know Bob or have never even met Bob. You and any outsider can call a man a "lap-dog" for remaining faithful to the company/unit he works for, but most on the inside would call that same individual "loyal and faithful".
"Loyal and faithful" - They drill that into you in Bootcamp every hour of every miserable day. If they didn't, I'd be a dead soldier many years ago.
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In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.
please, give us names. We've given many examples of people who have competed in pro contests and/or received prizes who have not been banned or suspended.
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You mean in the "Bodybuilding.com Master's World Championship"?
Beats me. :-\
That's a good one....BB.com wasn't even a sponsor of the show...LOL.
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his boy's employer wasn't bodybuilding.com, coincidentally a big sponsor of the show
You're as clueles as Goatballs and Basile....BB.com wasn't a sponsor at all, fool
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please, give us names. We've given many examples of people who have competed in pro contests and/or received prizes who have not been banned or suspended.
I'm not at liberty to give out names...those who have been suspended for a period, or had to write letters of apology can disclose their own info If they wish...that's their call.
Bottom line is, there is a prescedent...Bill is correct.
Out of all the names you've provided, Tim...how many have gone back to competing in those other orgs, AFTER competing in the NPC?
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No, Tim, even if I could remember the names of those who were banned from competing for a one year period, I would not do so. It would be more appropriate if that information came from an official source.
But believe me, it did happen and it caused a lot of shit!
I will also inform you that a few NPC judges were banned for a one year period as a result of their actions which was more on a voluntary basis and definitely not for competing in any event that offered an award of value.
There are many things that happen in any organization that are not made public for numerous reasons. But sometimes if you follow appropriate procedures, you'll receive an appropriate answer.
Have you ever directed an inquirey of any type directly to the NPC National Office? You might be surprised by their swift response and even faster phone call.
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Ok, Bob, I have been sitting back watching your performance and you clearly don't see the forest for the trees. I will have to make this simple and brief because I want you to comprehend what I am posting.
Why do you argue with people online about matters concerning the IFBB and pro athletes? Do your job and represent those pros. Don't go online and make an ass of yourself. We could care less that you are loyal and true to the guys who appointed you. Let someone else argue on behalf of the IFBB and Pro people. You should be representing athletes not taking on all comers and defending the IFBB. How on earth an athletes rep gets a vote on the pro board is one of those mysterious things the IFBB does in the back room. Add hypocrite and confederate to those other names that describe your behaviour.
You are a lapdog now and also patsy and stooge of the IFBB. For goodness sake wake up and shake your head.
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Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.
Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.
I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?
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Just catchen up here ..... In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.
I do hope that Ben has a successful event but regardless of what it is called .... it still "appears" that those who enter it could be banned from entering future NPC contests for a certain time period as determined by the NPC, although it would be interesting to see how a court of law would interpret this "amateur vs professional" definition.
But if an athlete did enter a contest that offered "awards of value", someone in or out of the NPC would have to make an official complaint to the NPC and include all the facts of that subject complaint and aligations.
I can tell you personally that the powers that be within the NPC do not make such decisions against an athlete without giving due consideration to all the facts.
Some GetBiggers have mentioned the names of various competitors who competed for monetary awards outside of the NPC and are still competing in NPC sanctioned events, but no mention is made to the fact that some or each of those contestants were "reprimanded" in some manner for a certain time period.
Before jumping all over Bob, you should realize that none of us are knowledgeable of the facts involved in each individual case; and before any official action is ever taken by the NPC national office, an official complaint must be brought before the NPC national office. In many cases, no one wishes to be the guy who makes the waves for other athletes so an official complaint is never made.
Last thought .... I've been a big Lee Priest fan for many years, yet I still cannot understand why he would want to (or even "expect to") come back into an organization he apparently despises. And based on his numerous posts and accusations against the IFBB, I tend to understand why the IFBB would want to keep him out.
It's apparent to me that most of you who have complaints against Bob, don't know Bob or have never even met Bob. You and any outsider can call a man a "lap-dog" for remaining faithful to the company/unit he works for, but most on the inside would call that same individual "loyal and faithful".
"Loyal and faithful" - They drill that into you in Bootcamp every hour of every miserable day. If they didn't, I'd be a dead soldier many years ago.
Hey bro, ok you are wrong on one thing. I personally know 2 people who are pro in other orgs. (natural) and have consistently switched back and forth for years with never a word said to them and it is absolutely known that they are pros.
It would be interesting to see how the NPC would explain in a court as to why they would eventually let a person come back and compete in the NPC after they turn pro. I guess the NPC considers someone who is a pro an amateur again as long as they do not compete for a year in other shows that hand out money. ???
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Ok, Bob, I have been sitting back watching your performance and you clearly don't see the forest for the trees. I will have to make this simply and brief because I want you to comprehend what I am posting.
Why do you argue with people online about matters concerning the IFBB and pro athletes? Do your job and represent those pros. Don't go online and make an ass of yourself. We could care less that you are loyal and true to the guys who appointed you. Let someone else argue on behalf of the IFBB and Pro people. You should be representing athletes not taking on all comers and defending the IFBB. How on earth an athletes rep gets a vote on the pro board is one of those mysterious things the IFBB does in the back room. Add hypocrite and confederate to those other names that describe your behaviour.
You are a lapdog now and also patsy and stooge of the IFBB. For goodness sake wake up and shake your head.
Still don't get it, do you Basile...?
I'm not making an ass f myself...you are. I answer with fact, you pontificate and try to wax philosophical....you get stumped at every turn, as I address every one of your questions.
I do represent the athletes...not sure what that has to do with setting the record straight, or explaining why something is the way it is....
I get rules changed, fore the betterment of ALL IFBB athletes...men and women. I get more money in their pockets, more opportunity for them to make money, fairer judging standards, and rules taken out that are NOT in their best interests...
There is nothing mysterious about having a vote, and a voice....ALL the reps have one, not just me. It's called being FAIR, which is why we have reps and why we have a say.
I seriously question your intelligence at this point....
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You question my intelligence all you like. I am questioning your honour, integrity and whether you are fair dinkum.
You naturally claim you are innocent of all charges. Then you putdown everyone who bags you. Too bad you don't have the skills to dismiss the serious charges and allegations leveled at you. I am not the only one calling you a stooge and patsy. Even those who defend you refer to your behaviour as appearing like a lapdog because you are loyal to the backroom boys.
Bob, you join Goodrum in the stooge department because neither of you have any shame!
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Disgusted, thanks for responding.
I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.
Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.
Maybe they were simply overlooked.
Maybe no one knew.
Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.
Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.
Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.
Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.
Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.
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You question my intelligence all you like. I am questioning your honour, integrity and whether you are fair dinkum.
You naturally claim you are innocent of all charges. Then you putdown everyone who bags you. Too bad you don't have the skills to dismiss the serious charges and allegations leveled at you. I am not the only one calling you are stooge and patsy. Even those who defend you refer to your behaviour as appearing like a lapdog because you are loyal to the backroom boys.
Bob, you join Goodrum in the stooge department because neither of you have any shame!
I've dismissed any "charge" or allegation" ever brought...easily and swiftly....especially the one's from YOU. I question your intelligence, because you're too stupid to realize it.
The other lemmings that call me names, are just being douchbags (like yourself)...and offer just as much by way of any intelligent argument, or facts. Ever wonder why you never hear of any pro's (the only one's who opinions really matter here) complaining, or wondering where my loyalties lie? Because they know better, because they are pleased with the changes I've made (you know, the one's you choose to ignore)
By trying to "play the game" , you make yourself sound less intelligent with each post...you don't have the knowledge, expertise, or information to debate with me, Basile.
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Disgusted, thanks for responding.
I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.
Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.
Maybe they were simply overlooked.
Maybe no one knew.
Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.
Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.
Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.
Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.
Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.
I do know for sure that the NPC knows that they are pros in a natural org and have been for years. They have never been banned for any length of time. They are not known within the pro ranks of the IFBB since they are not "pros" in the IFBB, but in another org. and still compete in the NPC. They have never had to use a lawyer since they have never been banned.
Understand that I am NOT against the NPC in any way. There are a lot of great guys involved, but I am all for fairness though. Personally I think that the NPC should just let it go. All it would take would be for one person to get a lawyer and the NPC would be an open book to the courts.
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Disgusted, well I can't answer ya "why" it's happened, but I have to tell you that in the cases I was involve with, the actual complaints came from the athletes themselves. They (two of them) were the ones who complained that the rules would not be adhered to if two individuals were allowed to compete.
As a result of that complaint, official action was taken which resulted in disbarring individuals from competing in NPC events for a one year period,
If those two athletes did not complain, no action would have been taken because no one in an official capacity would have known. This probably happens more often than is realized.
But the individuals concerned soon all learned that complaints should never be considered unless they are made in writing and signed by the individual/individuals making the complaint. That was a lesson learned the hard way.
I still gotta state that a lot of things happen which we are not privy to.
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Out of all the names you've provided, Tim...how many have gone back to competing in those other orgs,
AFTER competing in the NPC?
Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone), WNBF in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2004, NPC in 2002, 2004 and 2005
Greg Pringle (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Pringle,+Greg), NPC, then WNBF, then NPC, then WNBF
Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), NGA, then NPC Team Universe, then NGA, then NPC Team Universe
Wil Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Phil Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Mike D'Angelo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=D'Angelo,+Mike), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), even Stan McQuay (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=McQuay,+Stan)
I'm sure that there are others
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I question your intelligence, because you're too stupid to realize it.
The other lemmings that call me names, are just being douchbags (like yourself)...and offer just as much by way of any intelligent argument, or facts. Ever wonder why you never hear of any pro's (the only one's who opinions really matter here) complaining, or wondering where my loyalties lie? Because they know better,
How dare you call a former National IFBB champion a douchbag! Does any civility remain in your vulgar and crass self? Bob, step back from the internet and let Jim handle stuff that is beyond your mediocre ability.
The pros don't complain because they know that those who do never do well in contests. End of story. Those who kiss butt, like yourself, win over hapless but superior bodybuilders like Pavol. Now what don't you comprehend about how the IFBB works? I thought you were up to date and informed!
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Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.
Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.
I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?
Bob,you do not need to win to get the Motorcycle,just compete,you do not need to win to get your own TV Show in Los Angeles (1 Male and 1 Female Athlete) you just have to have "the look" and personality,
every Athlete is invited to the Party with free food and drinks,where we give out Golds stuff,Lana EggWhites,Vitamins .............we will treat Athletes with the most respect,exactly how they deserve it and they will go home and had the best experience of their Bodybuilding life.That is all what the Athletes can get who are not winning $1000,$1500,$2000,$10000 or a new car.
The whole Idea for the contest was doing something for the Athletes,appreciate the Athletes.We could have worked perfect together,all Athletes are in Town anyway,in shape anyway,we would have a great Bodybuilding and Figure 3 day festival.Athletes would compete in the USA,who probably would have not,more people in the attendance in booth shows because of the great 3 day festival.All Athletes would be happy! But noooooooo the NPC decides what is good for the Athletes,is only good for the Athletes,when it has the NPC stamp on it.
It is just sad to see that you do not care about the Athletes because you (the NPC) is afraid we could be some kind of rival BS.We are not an Organization and we are not planning on it,however we care a lot about the Athletes and I hope our show breaks even or close to it.(It looks like it)So that we can put on more shows with more prizes next year!!!
We can change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better in the long run and we are definitely
planning on it!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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No, Tim, even if I could remember the names of those who were banned from competing for a one year period, I would not do so.
then it's just idle threats. "If you do this we will ban you, even though there are many examples of people who have done it and not been banned and no examples of people who have been banned, even though we say they have been. So don't do it!"
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Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.
You talk about how important an IFBB title is and it is the epitome to compete in the IFBB cause when you win a title you beat the best. But honestly you don't even think you looked better than Rusty that day, yet you won because the IFBB promised you a title if you agreed to become the IFBB Athlete rep and do what the IFBB told you to do. Now because of this, does it take away the glory of winning the title knowing you weren't the best at the show and that only politics got you the win. Just wondering. Me personally think you looked great but not better than Rusty. And from all indications I am with the majority on this......except of course the judges who are controlled by your bosses. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmm? Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show. What has he done to you. Why do you even talk about the show. It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB. Are you also the NPC rep. Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this. If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB. You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow. Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.
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Can't we all just get along? ???
That is actually a great picture to associate the IFBB and its members. They hug you and are nice to you then when they are done pretending, they eat you and fuck you up.
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Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.
Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.
I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?
Well kind of like a prestigious IFBB card holder that doesn't place...........NOTHING
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Bob,you do not need to win to get the Motorcycle,just compete,you do not need to win to get your own TV Show in Los Angeles (1 Male and 1 Female Athlete) you just have to have "the look" and personality,
every Athlete is invited to the Party with free food and drinks,where we give out Golds stuff,Lana EggWhites,Vitamins .............we will treat Athletes with the most respect,exactly how they deserve it and they will go home and had the best experience of their Bodybuilding life.That is all what the Athletes can get who are not winning $1000,$1500,$2000,$10000 or a new car.
The whole Idea for the contest was doing something for the Athletes,appreciate the Athletes.We could have worked perfect together,all Athletes are in Town anyway,in shape anyway,we would have a great Bodybuilding and Figure 3 day festival.Athletes would compete in the USA,who probably would have not,more people in the attendance in booth shows because of the great 3 day festival.All Athletes would be happy! But noooooooo the NPC decides what is good for the Athletes,is only good for the Athletes,when it has the NPC stamp on it.
It is just sad to see that you do not care about the Athletes because you (the NPC) is afraid we could be some kind of rival BS.We are not an Organization and we are not planning on it,however we care a lot about the Athletes and I hope our show breaks even or close to it.(It looks like it)So that we can put on more shows with more prizes next year!!!
We can change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better in the long run and we are definitely
planning on it!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Ben honestly, you are wasting your time arguing with Chic. He has been brainwashed beyond repair by the IFBB and Manion. They can do no wrong in his eyes. He owes them everything he has. He has too say and do whatever he can to try and make the IFBB awesome. If there is a threat, he gets a call immediately and is told to make it sound like any show other than a NPC or IFBB show is bad for bodybuilding. A show like yours that will actually take care of the athletes and be good for BB makes the IFBB and NPC look bad. They can't handle that. So, really you should give up arguing with Chic. It is like getting Sean Ray to quit fucking trannies or enjoy getting pissed on at parties by chicks. It just won't happen. ANd also Chic is really against you cause you have Lana Egg Whites sponsoring instead of his company.
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Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show. What has he done to you. Why do you even talk about the show. It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB. Are you also the NPC rep. Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this. If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB. You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow. Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.
Haha this is so true, whenever IFBB doesn't like anything or sees a threat, who suddenly shows up and starts to talk down and insult people?
Yep you guessed it, Bob Chick.
Chick, please it doesn't get any more obvious. You never give the impression of being a trustworthy athlete-rep. You always mention the improvements you've made or tried to make but somehow they just seem to be filled with air. Your so called "improvements" carry little weight and has no chance in hell to change the things that are important even though you claim the opposite. What you're in fact doing is defending the IFBB or attack those threatening them.
A real athlete-rep would never act like this. A real ahlete-rep would behave in a professional manner even though the "peanut gallery" is giving him/her shit. And as onlyme pointed out, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS THREAD!? With your position it is a clear conflict of interests and only demonstrates what you are really trying to achieve here.
AS SOON SOMEONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT IFBB OR THE NPC WITH LEGIMATE REASONS, BOB CHICK ALWAYS SHOW UP DEFENDING THEM. This have happened so many times now that it becomes almost statistically impossible for you to do it for any other reason than to defend the IFBB no matter how wrong or corrupted they are.
And oh, when Jay won the last Olympia, isn't it kind of pathetic of you showing up on a radio show trying to defend the judges decision? YOU of all people, IFBB could easily sent one of the judges to explain the travesty instead. Just something that smelled really funny or more like corrupted shit actually.
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Keith has been going on and on about this Rusty Jeffers guy. So I thought I should have a look at that controversial masters contest that Chick 'won'.
I was amazed because only one guy had the shape, size and condition to win. He stood out above everyone else. Several others could lay claim to being the runner up but if this guy is Jeffers then he was clearly and definitely the best.
Here is the best shot from the contest. I didn't see this guy compared with Bob. Why they put Claude beside Bob only the IFBB judges know. What a disgrace, farce and travesty.
Bob Chick got a gift.
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A real athlete-rep would never act like this. A real ahlete-rep would behave in a professional manner even though the "peanut gallery" is giving him/her shit. And as onlyme pointed out, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS THREAD!? With your position it is a clear conflict of interests and only demonstrates what you are really trying to achieve here.
AS SOON SOMEONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT IFBB OR THE NPC WITH LEGIMATE REASONS, BOB CHICK ALWAYS SHOW UP DEFENDING THEM.
That is not an entirely fair statement.
Bob should be allowed to speak on what he knows of NPC policies and sentiments and this has no relevance at all to his position as an IFBB athlete's rep.
To be clear, Ben's show is not an 'attack' on the NPC...and at the same time, Bob is free to speak his mind on this topic.
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Keith has been going on and on about this Rusty Jeffers guy. So I thought I should have a look at that controversial masters contest that Chick 'won'.
I was amazed because only one guy had the shape, size and condition to win. He stood out above everyone else. Several others could lay claim to being the runner up but if this guy is Jeffers then he was clearly and definitely the best.
Here is the best shot from the contest. I didn't see this guy compared with Bob. Why they put Claude beside Bob only the IFBB judges know. What a disgrace, farce and travesty.
Bob Chick got a gift.
Maybe the IFBB asked Rusty if he would do everything they tell him to do and to pretend to represent the IFBB athletes but in reality do everything you can to make the IFBB look good and Rusty said no. Chic wins the contest plus a position with the IFBB by default because no one else would do that for the IFBB. It is all clear now. And where is Chic how come he isn't on here defending himself. Is it because Manion is not around to get answers from. Where are you Chic, how come you don't defend these statements. Is it because you know they are true. Have you given up.
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they sponsored your "win"
You're as clueles as Goatballs and Basile....BB.com wasn't a sponsor at all, fool
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maybe the NPC is making idle threats hoping that athletes will get scared and not compete in the B&A classic.
Jim Manion really supports bodybuilding!
Disgusted, thanks for responding.
I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.
Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.
Maybe they were simply overlooked.
Maybe no one knew.
Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.
Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.
Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.
Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.
Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.
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That is not an entirely fair statement.
Bob should be allowed to speak on what he knows of NPC policies and sentiments and this has no relevance at all to his position as an IFBB athlete's rep.
To be clear, Ben's show is not an 'attack' on the NPC...and at the same time, Bob is free to speak his mind on this topic.
He's free to say whatever he wants. It just so happens that everytime he opens his mouth in one of these treads he always spews out IFBB defense that sometimes is ridicously obvious. He is an athlete rep and by trying to belittle Bens show he is doing the absolute worst for those he represent. He never approached this whole thing with optimism or well wishes as he is supposed to in the position he is. Instead as always he manages to talk shit about another rivaling competion/fed. That's what bothers me.
In the beginning of this thread, he actually tried his best to defend the NPC athlete contracts which would enforce an illegal suspension of an athlete that competes in a rivaling competion. That whole suspension/selective enforment thing is total bullshit and its only sole purpose is to secure whatever position the NPC has. It is the opposite of benificial to the athletes but still Bob defends it.
Like a damn clockwork. He always shows up in these threads.
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That's a good one....BB.com wasn't even a sponsor of the show...LOL.
Correct. They did a great webcast.
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Bob what is your or the IFBB thinking on the Bringing Discredit to the IFBB Rule,Would it be a Pro calling King a Bitch or Milos Synthol arms and what the Fuk do they think of Pros Esp women who have Porn sites showing their smelly parts.And they banned Priest.FFS you have guys going to prison for Drug dealing and they end up with better placings in IFBB shows.You must be Fukin Blind.OPEN YOUR EYES. ::)
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You talk about how important an IFBB title is and it is the epitome to compete in the IFBB cause when you win a title you beat the best. But honestly you don't even think you looked better than Rusty that day, yet you won because the IFBB promised you a title if you agreed to become the IFBB Athlete rep and do what the IFBB told you to do. Now because of this, does it take away the glory of winning the title knowing you weren't the best at the show and that only politics got you the win. Just wondering. Me personally think you looked great but not better than Rusty. And from all indications I am with the majority on this......except of course the judges who are controlled by your bosses. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmm? Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show. What has he done to you. Why do you even talk about the show. It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB. Are you also the NPC rep. Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this. If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB. You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow. Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.
Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close. He's never beaten me on stage in any show we've competed against each other....ever. I've said many times, I believe Rusty could have easily been in the top 5, as I have always believed a complete physique beats an incomplete physique all day long....conditioning shouldn't be given the amount of credit it gets, over shape, symmetry and proportion....
NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter...only the fools trying to save face on the internet after talking their smack for 12 weeks and how I was way behind. and how this guy and that guy were going to beat me, blah, blah.....then all of a sudden the landscape changes when I release the final 2 week out video, clearly showing I was in shape and going to be tough to beat.
On other matters....show me one single post where I belittle Ben's show? I asked him to clarify his comments and how it's any different than other shows (USA).....a question he STILL can't, or won't answer. He got caught double talking, simple as that.
As to the rest of your nonsense you write....PLEASE...you starting to worry me....starting to sound like Basile
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Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close.
NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter
Someone photoshopped his pics then. All of them. Yours, too.
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Winners almost never complain about the judges decision.
Hope this helps, Bob.
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Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close. He's never beaten me on stage in any show we've competed against each other....ever. I've said many times, I believe Rusty could have easily been in the top 5, as I have always believed a complete physique beats an incomplete physique all day long....conditioning shouldn't be given the amount of credit it gets, over shape, symmetry and proportion....
NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter...only the fools trying to save face on the internet after talking their smack for 12 weeks and how I was way behind. and how this guy and that guy were going to beat me, blah, blah.....then all of a sudden the landscape changes when I release the final 2 week out video, clearly showing I was in shape and going to be tough to beat.
On other matters....show me one single post where I belittle Ben's show? I asked him to clarify his comments and how it's any different than other shows (USA).....a question he STILL can't, or won't answer. He got caught double talking, simple as that.
As to the rest of your nonsense you write....PLEASE...you starting to worry me....starting to sound like Basile
I did read post number 30 but like i said Bob,it makes no sense to argue with you since you will never say something good about our show.
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Ben1 did not deserve all this bullshit. I am pissed off at this thread and anyone seeing this can see that he's being black-balled behind the scenes.
This sport will never go forward under a communistic,fascist monopoly like the NPC and IFBB. We all know that 95% of pros will never make money or recieve compensation for the horrendous amont of money they spend in this feild.
As ben has said the IFBB allows amatuers to recieve compnsation in its other countries but brings the hammer down when tried in the USA......I would assume there are legal ramifications to this "Double standard" of contract by-laws.
I hope all will agree to support the B&A contest after the USA to show support for the atletes,and not just the "fascist" weider org. >:( >:(
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Ben1 did not deserve all this bullshit. I am pissed off at this thread and anyone seeing this can see that he's being black-balled behind the scenes.
This sport will never go forward under a communistic,fascist monopoly like the NPC and IFBB. We all know that 95% of pros will never make money or recieve compensation for the horrendous amont of money they spend in this feild.
As ben has said the IFBB allows amatuers to recieve compnsation in its other countries but brings the hammer down when tried in the USA......I would assume there are legal ramifications to this "Double standard" of contract by-laws.
I hope all will agree to support the B&A contest after the USA to show support for the atletes,and not just the "fascist" weider org. >:( >:(
true No matter how much people might like Chic. His presence and remarks on this thread are uncalled for and kind f shows his real side. He can give a shit about BB. If he did, he would simply come on here and wish Ben luck and let it go. But he continues to try and make Ben and his show look bad because the IFBB pussies and Manion don't like competition. It is that simple. Chic comes on here with so much bullshit and double talk it is really sad. Why don't they just let Ben do his thing and if it goes then they have something to be afraid of but not attack before the show even happens. This is why te IFBB is a joke and BB is such a joke. People like Manion, Chic and all the punks at the IFBB office. Can anyone say insecurity
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Can't we all just be friends? :-[
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Everybody thinks they have a better recipe, but the proof is in the pudden.
And no matter what that original pudden tastes like, through the years its proven to be a big success and sells like hotcakes.
And up to now when any other master-blaster-chef tries to change that pudden recipe, the pudden falls flat in its baken bowl.
We can all talk and complain about changing that proven and often disliked recipe, but there hasn't been a chef who has come up with a better way of making that puddden more successful and better tasten.
Even if Ben is successful, most of us will hate his pudden just as much as we do today. Or simple dispise him for coming up with a better recipe.
The recipe we failed to create ourselves.
Hell's Kitchen fan.
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And no matter what that original pudden tastes like, through the years its proven to be a big success and sells like hotcakes.
And up to now when any other master-blaster-chef tries to change that pudden recipe, the pudden falls flat in its baken bowl.
the fallacy of this line of argument is that the "pudding" of today is not the same as what it was 15 years ago, which is not what it was 30 years ago, and 45 years ago. Amateur contests are very different today than what they were in years past. Pro bodybuilding today is very different than in years past. Times change. Athletes change. Fans change.
the problem with lifetime appointments, be it executives, promoters, or judges, whether it's official lifetime appointments or by default, is that what's in the best interest of the officials is not always the same as what's in the best interest of the athletes and fans. The officials want to maximize their personal income up until their retirement. If they feel the pie can't get any bigger, then if someone else gets a piece of it, there is less of it for them.
In the 1960s the Weiders were successful because they offered something different. In the AAU, the winner of a contest was suppose to be the one who best represented the American male. So athletes were judged on complexion, speaking ability, athletic ability in other sports, as well as physiques. The Weiders offered something different, that a bodybuilding contest should be about physiques only. The fans and athletes voted over many years and the Weiders point of view won out. And they got very rich because of that.
bodybuilding in its current form is not doing so well. the people in the NPC are either oblivious to that, or just don't know how to fix it. or perhaps they feel it can't be fixed, and they just hope it will last until they reach retirement. but their biggest fear is that someone else may figure it out and they suddenly become superfluous.
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It seems to me that bodybuilding not only has to be fair but seen to be fair. When Joe and Ben ran contests in the 1960s they were open contests with no restrictions. Larry Scott never won the AAU Mr America but did win the IFBB version. In those days the AAU version was more prestigious partly because Bob Hoffman and Peary Rader featured those champs in their magazines.
While Weider was jockying for a position, the NABBA organization was the premier one on the world stage. To this day the NABBA judging system is superior to the silly rounds that the IFBB uses. Ben Weider had no clue about how to judge bodybuilding contests and adopted a system that resembled what was used in other sports. That legacy is partly to blame for many of the controversial decisions seen in the IFBB. There are too many ways to derail accurate judging.
The Olympia used to be for anyone who won a top title. This could still happen and there wouldn't have to be any qualifying. It would be a simple matter to reduce the field down for the finals. What has evolved in the IFBB is a system of rewards and punishments. Pro cards and qualifying are things that allow the IFBB to totally control those who want to win the Olympia.
Along comes a new Ben and he faces the same crap Joe and Ben faced in the old days. Instead of keeping things open the IFBB wants to totally control all the top bodybuilders.
The ironical thing is that if Ben decided to do drug testing he wouldn't have many in his contest!
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Are you saying Pros use Drugs Vince and the IFBB know it that's why they DON'T Drug test Pro shows.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmm ;D
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If the NPC would be smart and all business and not so focused on monopolizing,they would let their Athletes
sign a waiver,would them charge $50 or whatever,so that they are not an NPC Athlete on July 27th for 1 day,they would make easy $10000 - $20000 and everybody would be happy,instead of scare their Athletes,
( I know it is funny coming from me) NPC Athletes will anyway (certainly not all) compete at our show.There are always to many wrong decisions at the USA and Athletes will be angry and since they are in town,why not go to the B&A and see what they can do for us.
Anyway we (The B&A) will have our competition no matter what.I am really looking forward to it and we really believe that we can change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.
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Anyway we (The B&A) will have our competition no matter what.I am really looking forward to it and we really believe that we can change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.
Sorry Ben, but you are just bring in USA the European experience
there are lot of amateur contest in Europe with money prizes open to everybody and without
disqualifications for the IFBB athletes:
trophy Due Torri and Trophy Freeway in Italy
Trophy Weider in Marsiglia
Fit Form Barcellona etc.
can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?
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Sorry Ben, but you are just bring in USA the European experience
there are lot of amateur contest in Europe with money prizes open to everybody and without
disqualifications for the IFBB athletes:
trophy Due Torri and Trophy Freeway in Italy
Trophy Weider in Marsiglia
Fit Form Barcellona etc.
can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?
The rules are different because the IFBB won't pay Chic to go to Europe to help fuck up the IFBB there.
Also, Ben be sure to hire about 20 kids at $20 each to go to the USA contest and hand out flyers to your show. Have them stand in public areas so they can't do anything to them. Plus they are kids so they won't get in trouble. Go the day before too during the weigh-ins. Go to the host hotel also. Competitors are checking in during the whole week. Hopefully the NPC will hire that dork Weinberger to come out there and beat up all the small kids.
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The rules are different because the IFBB won't pay Chic to go to Europe to help fuck up the IFBB there.
Also, Ben be sure to hire about 20 kids at $20 each to go to the USA contest and hand out flyers to your show. Have them stand in public areas so they can't do anything to them. Plus they are kids so they won't get in trouble. Go the day before too during the weigh-ins. Go to the host hotel also. Competitors are checking in during the whole week. Hopefully the NPC will hire that dork Weinberger to come out there and beat up all the small kids.
Great idea. Its a free country. In a public area this is allowed. GREAT IDEA.
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"Can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?"
Posted on: Today at 11:02:01 AM Posted by: ben 1
IBFASPORT, I can try to answer that but this may not be the entirely correct answer. It would help if you clarified the"rules" you are concerned about but let me give it a try in the hope that it answers part of your concern.
Back in the day when the the NPC and the IFBB agreed to work together, the agreement was that the IFBB would recognize the NPC at the governing and controlling body for "amateur bodybuilding" within the US as long as the NPC recognized the IFBB as the governing and controlling body for professional bodybuilding events in the US and "professional and amateur event" throughout other parts of the world.
That is one reason why the IFBB does not promote amateur events in the US but does promote such amateur events in other parts of the world as well as pro events.
If there has been any exception to this agreement, it has been with the mutual consent of both parties.
I don't know if I have answered your question completely, but the NPC is an amateur US governing body as recognized by the IFBB who in turn is recognized by the NPC as the US governing body for professional bodybuilding throughout the world as well as the governing body for amateur events outside of the USA.
Not too complicated if you grew up with it and were a part of it since its conception and realized that both needed the other to advance and survive.
Another matter that appears to be on interest at present is the definition of "professional bodybuilder".
In my mind and the way I have been led to believe, a professional is anyone who competes in a BB event that offers a cash award or in a contest in which an award of value is presented. Sorry but I forget the definition of "an award of value", but I seem to recall that it is anything that has a value beyond the normal value of a standard trophy. Maybe Bob can clarify that.
And .... just because someone competes in a "professional event", does not mean that the IFBB considers him/her to be a professional who is qualified to enter a professional IFBB event.
Many of you have brought up interesting comments about the professional ranks which cannot be answered precisely because it would take a court decision to offer a precise and legal answer.
And I don't think that there is any one on either side of the equation who is willing to risk the court and lawyer fees to resolve this seemingly important problem. If it ever does go to court, the only winners will be the lawyers.
And that's one of the major problems in today's justice system.
Everyone loses except the lawyers.
And only a lawyer will refute that statement.
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can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?
Because they are two different organizations.
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That is one reason why the IFBB does not promote amateur events in the US but does promote such amateur events in other parts of the world as well as pro events.
If there has been any exception to this agreement, it has been with the mutual consent of both parties.
I don't know of any exception aside from the IFBB North Americans, which is an amateur competition.
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The IFBB make the Rules up as they go along for a perfect example just look at the IFBB Drug Rule.How many Pros have been tested in the last 5years NOT FUKIN ONE.Drug Rule ahhahahahahhahaha next Joke.
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Yea, Tre, and I think that is because the North America was originally conceived and promoted in Canada.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Meltdown, look at is this way..... Why shit in your own kitchen?
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Hey Ben-
Not sure why I need to check it out, and I'm certainly not familiar with IFBB amateur...
Just to make clear...I have not badmouthed your show, or tried in any way to make it out to be anything but what it is.
I think what you're doing is admirable, and will benefit those athletes who choose to compete in your show...
That said...I do have to question your motives...you claim not to be in any competition with the NPC, yet choose to hold a show in the same city and 1 day after the NPC USA, certainly doesn't seem like it was chosen for any other reason BUT to be...
Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.
I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy?
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It's a SAD reflection of Pro BB when little shows like this Pay MORE cash than some IFBB Pro shows.Fuk almost as good as their Drug tests. ::)
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Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.
I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy?
Chic save your dignity. Why do you post shit like this. Just let it go. Go help the IFBB pros. This show is none of your business.He doesn't have to answer your questions just when you say you don't have to answer to any of the peanut gallery. Honestly, is doing everything to defend an organization with as shitty a reputation as the IFBB worth damaging your own persona. You should call the puppetmaster and ask them to hire a person known as the IFBB Stooley. This way you don't have to work double-duty.
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Item 15 of the Professional League code of ethics says athletes, judges and officials should oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
I have seen no evidence that Bob Chick opposes these banned substances. Not opposing banned substances could be viewed as tolerating them. He states that this is a choice up to the athletes. Since when did it come down to being a choice?
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Back in the day when the the NPC and the IFBB agreed to work together, the agreement was that the IFBB would recognize the NPC at the governing and controlling body for "amateur bodybuilding" within the US as long as the NPC recognized the IFBB as the governing and controlling body for professional bodybuilding events in the US and "professional and amateur event" throughout other parts of the world.
Thank you for the answer, you are Bona Fide, but IFBB is double... Ben Weider like very much the motto "Divide et Impera"
NPC bring every year competirors to the IFBB World Championships
All the other competitors, European etc, earn money from amateur contes with money prizes
Why you accept NPC amateur athletes compete with professionals?
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Chic save your dignity. Why do you post shit like this. Just let it go. Go help the IFBB pros. This show is none of your business.He doesn't have to answer your questions just when you say you don't have to answer to any of the peanut gallery. Honestly, is doing everything to defend an organization with as shitty a reputation as the IFBB worth damaging your own persona. You should call the puppetmaster and ask them to hire a person known as the IFBB Stooley. This way you don't have to work double-duty.
And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI
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And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI
Why the personal attacks on me honey. And please don't talk licking balls, you know where you stand on that one. You really have to remember your role here. It is to do what you are told by the IFBB and Manion. Nothing more and nothing less. You defend the organization that has ruined BB and you will be around for awhile with them. Amazing how much you are willing to ruin your own reputation to defend a piece of shit organization like the IFBB and you DON'T get paid for it. Dude who is your manager. Fire them. And please don't tell us you personally worked out that great business deal all by yourself. Okay I gotta go play some craps. Be back later to read your unbelievable witty remarks. But remember this you represent the IFBB. So your demeanor here reflects how they are seen. Opps sorry, you already knew that.
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Why the personal attacks on me honey. And please don't talk licking balls, you know where you stand on that one. You really have to remember your role here. It is to do what you are told by the IFBB and Manion. Nothing more and nothing less. You defend the organization that has ruined BB and you will be around for awhile with them. Amazing how much you are willing to ruin your own reputation to defend a piece of shit organization like the IFBB and you DON'T get paid for it. Dude who is your manager. Fire them. And please don't tell us you personally worked out that great business deal all by yourself. Okay I gotta go play some craps. Be back later to read your unbelievable witty remarks. But remember this you represent the IFBB. So your demeanor here reflects how they are seen. Opps sorry, you already knew that.
Pot calling the kettle black....or in this case a Dutch Oven..... ;D
Keith you went around trashing the IFBB and telling everyone how much better the PDI is. You called everyone including myself, Chick, and etc that we were crazy and that the IFBB wouldn't suspend anyone. You were talking about how Wayne Demillitia was going to overthrow the IFBB like he was fucking Fidel Castro.
And what happenned????
Lee Priest and Rodney St Cloud got a foot in their ass and was suspended, the PDI folded like a deck of cards, and your fat ass was at the Mr Olympia renting out a booth and promoting your franchise.
The problem is that some bodybuilders like Lee Priest go walking around like its Super Shinobi 3 but at he ends up on his knees kissing Weider's ass to gain back admission into the sport that he blew off. They gave him every opportunity and even offered him a chance to return without penalty.
I garrantee he won't pull that shit again if he gets back in the IFBB.
As far as Ben is concerned, I didn't visit your piece of shit website or discussion board and I think that you're trying to sell some more tickets by associating me with your organization. However you're only going to get the bottom of the barrel competitors and no real top NPC national competitors because they don't wish to risk their amateur status and most importantly because they know that somethings fishy when they have to pay 249 bucks just to enter.
IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHARGE 249 BUCKS TO COMPETITORS??????
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Pot calling the kettle black....or in this case a Dutch Oven..... ;D
Keith you went around trashing the IFBB and telling everyone how much better the PDI is. You called everyone including myself, Chick, and etc that we were crazy and that the IFBB wouldn't suspend anyone. You were talking about how Wayne Demillitia was going to overthrow the IFBB like he was fucking Fidel Castro.
And what happenned????
Lee Priest and Rodney St Cloud got a foot in their ass and was suspended, the PDI folded like a deck of cards, and your fat ass was at the Mr Olympia renting out a booth and promoting your franchise.
The problem is that some bodybuilders like Lee Priest go walking around like its Super Shinobi 3 but at he ends up on his knees kissing Weider's ass to gain back admission into the sport that he blew off. They gave him every opportunity and even offered him a chance to return without penalty.
I garrantee he won't pull that shit again if he gets back in the IFBB.
As far as Ben is concerned, I didn't visit your piece of shit website or discussion board and I think that you're trying to sell some more tickets by associating me with your organization. However you're only going to get the bottom of the barrel competitors and no real top NPC national competitors because they don't wish to risk their amateur status and most importantly because they know that somethings fishy when they have to pay 249 bucks just to enter.
IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHARGE 249 BUCKS TO COMPETITORS??????
Here you go Vince,who is the liar now???
Vince posted this on a European website,exactly like i said!!!
Vince Goodrum
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Reply with quote
First off, this is the real Vince Goodrum.......
Now then, I know there is a lot of people wishing to compete in this event and quite frankly I would love to be there to say hey at Serge Nubret however the IFBB has made it clear about its athletes and I would highly suggest that you abide by what they have stated.
Please take my advice seriously because this is not an NPC or IFBB sanctioned event. They have made it clear that they do not wish to have any of their athletes in the event.
I'm not saying that you're going to be blackballed but I'm quite sure that this show will be carefully watched.
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.. one more thing Vince as a Bodybuilder you are a joke,I looked better with 17teen after 6 month of training than you ever will be!
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Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.
I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy?
Bob even I do not have to answer,I always answered your questions
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Go back to licking Wayne's balls
Wayne's battling prostate cancer... he's off limits here.
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And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI
why would you talk about someone or bring up his name in a bad way,if the person has cancer and is fighting for his life?
Bob that statement was bad!!!
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Wayne's battling prostate cancer... he's off limits here.
The point was to Keith, not to Wayne....speaking of which, is not on his deathbed, but still working and trying to get sponsorship dollars together for one of his ventures...
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Bob even I do not have to answer,I always answered your questions
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
You answered nothing, Ben...you've dodged and darted all over the place, but I still want to know what the difference is between the athletes paying $200 and going home with nothing in the NPC...and the athletes paying $200+ in your show and going home with nothing?
Lets see if you can stay on point long enough to answer it.....this time.
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but I still want to know what the difference is between the athletes paying $200 and going home with nothing in the NPC...and the athletes paying $200+ in your show and going home with nothing?
think of it as a raffle. the odds of winning the big prize is low, but it's for a good cause.
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Here you go Vince,who is the liar now???
Vince posted this on a European website,exactly like i said!!!
Vince Goodrum
Joined: 22 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Reply with quote
First off, this is the real Vince Goodrum.......
Now then, I know there is a lot of people wishing to compete in this event and quite frankly I would love to be there to say hey at Serge Nubret however the IFBB has made it clear about its athletes and I would highly suggest that you abide by what they have stated.
Please take my advice seriously because this is not an NPC or IFBB sanctioned event. They have made it clear that they do not wish to have any of their athletes in the event.
I'm not saying that you're going to be blackballed but I'm quite sure that this show will be carefully watched.
Anyone can open up an account and use my name...... ::)
I said I didn't write it and I'm not going to repeat myself. Stop using my name to promote your show
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Anyone can open up an account and use my name...... ::)
Tbh, why the hell would they? It is not a funny joke that's been written there or something else of comical nature which is quite strange considering the fact that you are a joke.
Seems a bit far fetched that someone would post in your name about NPC and their business and Bens show. Vince Goodrum never had anything to do with this mess to begin with.
You've been exposed Vince, but since your a lying attentionwhore of a scumbag you are never gonna admit it. Now please disappear.
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You answered nothing, Ben...you've dodged and darted all over the place, but I still want to know what the difference is between the athletes paying $200 and going home with nothing in the NPC...and the athletes paying $200+ in your show and going home with nothing?
Lets see if you can stay on point long enough to answer it.....this time.
Dear Bob,you always telling people what they smoke,my question is"What do you smoke"?
Post # 30 again read it,I said it twice already,please
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Anyone can open up an account and use my name...... ::)
I said I didn't write it and I'm not going to repeat myself. Stop using my name to promote your show
OK I know the President of the IFBA which website you posted on,we can prove that it was you,do you want the proof? It is one thing to write it but to deny it when it is written.....are you really that stupid,I know you are a joke in the BB World but now you say you did not write it?
You want the proof ,let me know
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Dear Bob,you always telling people what they smoke,my question is"What do you smoke"?
Post # 30 again read it,I said it twice already,please
Since every post you make sems to be #38...I don't know which one you're referring too...
Are you saying you said that your show is different than the USA in that there won't be people spending $200 for an entry and leaving with pretty much nothing?
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The IRS wants to know who pays the TAX on the takings for the day at BB shows.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
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Pot calling the kettle black....or in this case a Dutch Oven..... ;D
Keith you went around trashing the IFBB and telling everyone how much better the PDI is. You called everyone including myself, Chick, and etc that we were crazy and that the IFBB wouldn't suspend anyone. You were talking about how Wayne Demillitia was going to overthrow the IFBB like he was fucking Fidel Castro.
And what happenned????
Lee Priest and Rodney St Cloud got a foot in their ass and was suspended, the PDI folded like a deck of cards, and your fat ass was at the Mr Olympia renting out a booth and promoting your franchise.
The problem is that some bodybuilders like Lee Priest go walking around like its Super Shinobi 3 but at he ends up on his knees kissing Weider's ass to gain back admission into the sport that he blew off. They gave him every opportunity and even offered him a chance to return without penalty.
I garrantee he won't pull that shit again if he gets back in the IFBB.
As far as Ben is concerned, I didn't visit your piece of shit website or discussion board and I think that you're trying to sell some more tickets by associating me with your organization. However you're only going to get the bottom of the barrel competitors and no real top NPC national competitors because they don't wish to risk their amateur status and most importantly because they know that somethings fishy when they have to pay 249 bucks just to enter.
IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHARGE 249 BUCKS TO COMPETITORS??????
Hey Goodrum I don't remember anyone telling you to speak. You need to know your place here. You are at the bottom of the toilet. You don't have the right to speak your mind cause it is so small and useless. You are truly the most delusional idiot on the internet. You win! You are the champ at something. Now at your family reunions/blind dates you can brag to your relatives how being so ignorant and stupid has made you famous. Vince honestly why are you the most ignorant fuck on the internet. When are you going to realize your name and body is an embarrassment to anyone near them.
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OK I know the President of the IFBA which website you posted on,we can prove that it was you,do you want the proof? It is one thing to write it but to deny it when it is written.....are you really that stupid,I know you are a joke in the BB World but now you say you did not write it?
You want the proof ,let me know
Ben really don't argue with Goodrum. Arguing with Chic is lowering your standards already. Arguing with a guy like Goodrum is just really low. Take him like the rest of us that know him, he is joke and not one person takes him seriously. He has nothing going for him and he is the poster child for "Loser". Lets just say that Goodrum has all the makings to be an IFBB employee just never a BB.
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Ben really don't argue with Goodrum. Arguing with Chic is lowering your standards already. Arguing with a guy like Goodrum is just really low. Take him like the rest of us that know him, he is joke and not one person takes him seriously. He has nothing going for him and he is the poster child for "Loser". Lets just say that Goodrum has all the makings to be an IFBB employee just never a BB.
good to know
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Since every post you make sems to be #38...I don't know which one you're referring too...
Are you saying you said that your show is different than the USA in that there won't be people spending $200 for an entry and leaving with pretty much nothing?
Bob I am giving up on you..................... ............
B&A International Classics 2008 most rewarding Bodybuilding and Figure Show in the history of Amateur Bodybuilding!
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Bob I am giving up on you..................... ............
B&A International Classics 2008 most rewarding Bodybuilding and Figure Show in the history of Amateur Bodybuilding!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Give up....amazing that you can't/won't answer a simple question. I guess that kind of answers the question. Thanks anyway
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Bob Rhetoric Chick. Always has to explain shit to people. How about having an organization that doesn't need a stooge to explain the lack of following rules, etc.
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Bob Rhetoric Chick. Always has to explain shit to people. How about having an organization that doesn't need a stooge to explain the lack of following rules, etc.
Which rules don't you think are being followed?
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How about an official like you following the code of ethics? You are not supposed to promote banned substances. Therefore it cannot be an athlete's choice to use them. You are talking against the ideals of the IFBB and Pro League.
You are bringing the sport of professional bodybuilding down by your hypocritical attitude. Your behaviour on this forum where you belittle fair dinkum others is nothing short of a scandal. We are wasting our time debating with you, Bob Chick, because you are a Sophist and not sincere about improving this sport.
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How about an official like you following the code of ethics? You are not supposed to promote banned substances. Therefore it cannot be an athlete's choice to use them. You are talking against the ideals of the IFBB and Pro League.
You are bringing the sport of professional bodybuilding down by your hypocritical attitude. Your behaviour on this forum where you belittle fair dinkum others is nothing short of a scandal. We are wasting our time debating with you, Bob Chick, because you are a Sophist and not sincere about improving this sport.
I don't promote them...
Belittling you is fair game...and well deserved.
You are wasting your time, I can assure you of that...tough to debate when your clueless, isn't it?
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The clueless ones here are yourself and the judges for awarding you the Masters trophy. Join Goodrum in the delusional department.
Jeffers was superior to you and the others in that contest.
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I don't promote them...
Belittling you is fair game...and well deserved.
You are wasting your time, I can assure you of that...tough to debate when your clueless, isn't it?
Chich you are arguing like a little child. You never admit that you're wrong and you rather start calling people names than to have a openminded discussion.
What you lack is principals. You can argue small pesky details all you want but you just make yourself look like a fool but when you fail to see the bigger picture.
Bens show is for the good of ametuers, big price money, no rigged judging, and the show will problaby be filled with good spirits. This is an honest attempt to give something back to the bodybuilders and YOU Chick, is the only one starting shit with Ben. Goodrum doesn't count as he is a joke.
Your arguments are only strong when you can saw other peoples arguments in half and twist them. Fact is that you're acting like a qualified douchebag, even if you're not a stooge (which I seriously doubt), you are still definitly acting like one. You lack principals.
This show is good for amaetuer bodybuilders, and the npc contracts will never hold up in court as you claim them to do. So there is no need to scare the athletes with, let them compete without worries.
BE A FUCKING MAN AND LET THIS GO. EVEN IF YOU HAVE UNFINISHED BUSINESS WITH BEN, YOU ARE BEING A COMPLETE JERK FOR GIVING HIM SHIT ON PROBLABY ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTAL BOARDS ON THE INTERNET.
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Chich you are arguing like a little child. You never admit that you're wrong and you rather start calling people names than to have a openminded discussion.
What you lack is principals. You can argue small pesky details all you want but you just make yourself look like a fool but when you fail to see the bigger picture.
Bens show is for the good of ametuers, big price money, no rigged judging, and the show will problaby be filled with good spirits. This is an honest attempt to give something back to the bodybuilders and YOU Chick, is the only one starting shit with Ben. Goodrum doesn't count as he is a joke.
Your arguments are only strong when you can saw other peoples arguments in half and twist them. Fact is that you're acting like a qualified douchebag, even if you're not a stooge (which I seriously doubt), you are still definitly acting like one. You lack principals.
This show is good for amaetuer bodybuilders, and the npc contracts will never hold up in court as you claim them to do. So there is no need to scare the athletes with, let them compete without worries.
BE A FUCKING MAN AND LET THIS GO. EVEN IF YOU HAVE UNFINISHED BUSINESS WITH BEN, YOU ARE BEING A COMPLETE JERK FOR GIVING HIM SHIT ON PROBLABY ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTAL BOARDS ON THE INTERNET.
Let's get something straight...I've never badmouthed Ben's show. Find one post ANYWHERE. You want to debate facts...fine, lets go. I could care less if any NPC bodybuilders find their way over to Ben's show....no skin of my ass, they'll have to answer to whatever comes their way, not me....I think it's great for any BBers that wish to compete in his show and win cars, money, etc....all the power to them.
I do, however, have an issue when Ben makes a statement he can't back up...I guess being fair only applies one way, right? I have no unfinished business with Ben...why would I?
Better get YOUR facts straight if you want to debate with me...
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Which rules don't you think are being followed?
simple.
drug policy. section 8.1
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simple.
drug policy. section 8.1
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Well...then I guess It's up to the IFBB to do something about it, right?
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of course you have an issue.
the fact that you are even on this thread is evidence of that.
it is no great surprise, after all you are Manion's little underling.
it has been pointed out there there have been (and continue to be) NPC competitors that compete and win prize money elsewhere, without any consequence.
yet you contribute nothing but NPC sanctioned scare tactics to this thread.
Bob by actually wishing ben well, you are a liar.
You are actaully quite transparent.
Let's get something straight...I've never badmouthed Ben's show. Find one post ANYWHERE. You want to debate facts...fine, lets go. I could care less if any NPC bodybuilders find their way over to Ben's show....no skin of my ass, they'll have to answer to whatever comes their way, not me....I think it's great for any BBers that wish to compete in his show and win cars, money, etc....all the power to them.
I do, however, have an issue when Ben makes a statement he can't back up...I guess being fair only applies one way, right? I have no unfinished business with Ben...why would I?
Better get YOUR facts straight if you want to debate with me...
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Hey Goodrum I don't remember anyone telling you to speak. You need to know your place here. You are at the bottom of the toilet. You don't have the right to speak your mind cause it is so small and useless. You are truly the most delusional idiot on the internet. You win! You are the champ at something. Now at your family reunions/blind dates you can brag to your relatives how being so ignorant and stupid has made you famous. Vince honestly why are you the most ignorant fuck on the internet. When are you going to realize your name and body is an embarrassment to anyone near them.
Meltdown..... ;D
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The clueless ones here are yourself and the judges for awarding you the Masters trophy. Join Goodrum in the delusional department.
Jeffers was superior to you and the others in that contest.
The only person I thought could have placed ahead of Chick was Johnny Stewart but no-one else was even close especially Rusty Jeffers. He was placed accordingly. He could have been placed a least higher than Claude but that's it. He didn't have the size to match either one and he was not as lean as he could have been.
Rusty hasn't mentioned the show nor even cares so its pretty null
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of course you have an issue.
the fact that you are even on this thread is evidence of that.
it is no great surprise, after all you are Manion's little underling.
it has been pointed out there there have been (and continue to be) NPC competitors that compete and win prize money elsewhere, without any consequence.
yet you contribute nothing but NPC sanctioned scare tactics to this thread.
Bob by actually wishing ben well, you are a liar.
You are actaully quite transparent.
Pointed out by who? People that don't know all the details?
There have been consequences...of course, you know nothing of them....why would you?
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There have been consequences...of course, you know nothing of them....why would you?
yes, of all the dozens or hundreds of people disciplined by the NPC, not one has decided to complain about it on the internet. The athletes hold the NPC in that much respect.
and the NPC is so respectful of athlete's privacies that they're not even willing to correct contest results in fear of tipping off the public on who was disqualified.
But what I don't understand is why Chick is even talking about this. He is the official rep for IFBB pro athletes. He has no official position with the amateur NPC. Does he?
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Chick,
i must say you are very good at owning yourself, when you start lying. Must be the lifetime of practice.
so tell us again, why you lie about actually wishing Ben well? You didn't come onto this thread simply to wish him well, now did you?
yes, of all the dozens or hundreds of people disciplined by the NPC, not one has decided to complain about it on the internet. The athletes hold the NPC in that much respect.
and the NPC is so respectful of athlete's privacies that they're not even willing to correct contest results in fear of tipping off the public on who was disqualified.
But what I don't understand is why Chick is even talking about this. He is the official rep for IFBB pro athletes. He has no official position with the amateur NPC. Does he?
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Chick will have enough problems when someone lets the media know just how much Drug Abuse goes on in Pro BB he will soon forget about other shows and who is doing what.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
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yes, of all the dozens or hundreds of people disciplined by the NPC, not one has decided to complain about it on the internet. The athletes hold the NPC in that much respect.
and the NPC is so respectful of athlete's privacies that they're not even willing to correct contest results in fear of tipping off the public on who was disqualified.
But what I don't understand is why Chick is even talking about this. He is the official rep for IFBB pro athletes. He has no official position with the amateur NPC. Does he?
Nope...sure don't. Just like making sure the record is straight. Anyone can complain if they wish...all the power to them. As I stated, It's not my place to divulge info relevant to the subject...all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.
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all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.
how about in the last seven years?
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how about in the last seven years?
How about it? I would assume so...
Not quite sure what your platform is, here...
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Chick if an IFBB Pro gives his Pro card back and then competes NABBA or as an amateur can they post in for their Pro card renewal and get it???.
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Chick if an IFBB Pro gives his Pro card back and then competes NABBA or as an amateur can they post in for their Pro card renewal and get it???.
They could try....no guarantee they would get back in.
My guess would be no, in the current state of the pro scene...
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his platform is exposing you as a liar/BS artist/manion kiss ass.
hope this helps.
How about it? I would assume so...
Not quite sure what your platform is, here...
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How about it? I would assume so...
you assume so, which means that you don't know. but you said
all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.
yes, I agree, in the early 1980s.
yet we've given lots of examples of people this decade competing in pro contests or receiving cash or other prizes without repercussion.
This thread has been going on for 3.5 weeks now. B&A should write the NPC to thank them for all the publicity.
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you assume so, which means that you don't know. but you said
yes, I agree, in the early 1980s.
yet we've given lots of examples of people this decade competing in pro contests or receiving cash or other prizes without repercussion.
This thread has been going on for 3.5 weeks now. B&A should write the NPC to thank them for all the publicity.
You ASSUME it was without reprocussion.....there is a reaon many of the athletes either never went back to the NPC, or never went to compete for another org...
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You ASSUME it was without reprocussion.....there is a reaon many of the athletes either never went back to the NPC, or never went to compete for another org...
unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Phil Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone)
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unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Phil Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone)
Bullshitting is Chick's middle name.
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unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Usher,+Wil), Phil Ricardo (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ricardo,+Philip+Jr), Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico), Jason Powell (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Powell,+Jason), Dietrich Horsey (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Horsey,+Dietrich), Tyrone Wright (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Wright,+Tyrone)
All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?
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as a public service, I wrote a script to search the musclememory database. It lists any male who has entered an NPC contest and also a contest with Pro in the title or who was in the Professional class, for the years 2000 to the present.
http://musclememory.com/proAm.php
standard disclaimer: as with all of the musclememory database, I have no way of knowing if a name in multiple contests is really the same person or not.
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as a public service, I wrote a script to search the musclememory database. It lists any male who has entered an NPC contest and also a contest with Pro in the title or who was in the Professional class, for the years 2000 to the present.
http://musclememory.com/proAm.php
standard disclaimer: as with all of the musclememory database, I have no way of knowing if a name in multiple contests is really the same person or not.
Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.
Skewed at best....
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All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?
oh, so now only the people who place 10 or above on July 26 need to worry about repercussions if they enter the B&A contest the next day.
that will really go over well in any lawsuit. You either apply rules evenly, or you get your ass handed to you in court.
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Forget about IFBB Rules they don't enforce their own Drug Rule as if they care for RULES.FFS. ::)
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Forget about IFBB Rules they don't enforce their own Drug Rule as if they care for RULES.FFS. ::)
yes, we get it. but in this case we're talking about the NPC
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NPC is just the little brother of IFBB so the same rule applies NO Fukin Rules.Only when it suits them.
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Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.
your point is suppose to be that there are repercussions for NPC members who enter "pro" contests. we have shown many examples where there are not. that someone switches only once from pro to amateur or amateur to pro doesn't invalidate our point. we have shown many examples of people going back and forth over many years and even within the same year.
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oh, so now only the people who place 10 or above on July 26 need to worry about repercussions if they enter the B&A contest the next day.
I will come from Italy to support Ben contest, athletes that are already in Las Vegas cannot compete and win 10.000$, this is sick
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HA HA,
chick getting called on his BS, now reverting to questioning the publicity of the individuals mentioned.
funny how that is now a factor in your weak argument.
All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?
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yes your point is skewed at best.
now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?
Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.
Skewed at best....
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All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?
So are you saying the NPC could care less about any BB not in the top ten. Then they should only charge those 10 a fee to enter contests. Or does this mean anyone who competes in another organization WILL NEVER be in the top ten. I think it is both
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NPC is just the little brother of IFBB so the same rule applies NO Fukin Rules.Only when it suits them.
Well of course this is true. Just when was the last time a person who wasn't in the NPC first won a major pro title (Olympia, Arnold) This way the IFBB can control everything.
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yes your point is skewed at best.
now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?
That will no way ever happen. Check out his double talk answer when he comes back
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yes your point is skewed at best.
now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?
Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!
My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..
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Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!
My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..
And Mr. Ass Kisser strikes again.
It is an amatuer show-the NPC can't do jack shit Mr Ass Kisser.
And if it was a Pro show your IFBB couldn't do jack shit either.
This is America you fool, not Russia, China or Iran, people can work/compete anywhere they want to.
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Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!
My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..
Yeah, Bob, I guess 'reprocussions' pretty well states what the IFBB-NPC reality is. The repercussions will be nasty, too, I suppose?
I think Onlyme is on the money when he states that those who compete elsewhere seldom place in the top 10. With the exception of 8th place which is reserved for top recalcitrant competitors to teach them a lesson.
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So how does "warning" NPC competitors to not compete in Bens show = not giving a rats ass who enters Bens show?
were you told by someone to log on and issue this "warning" of yours?
Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!
My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..
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Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!
My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..
But Chic what business is it of yours. You are NOT the NPC rep are you. I mean if you want to get involved with every NPC or IFBB issue then do it right. Why are you speaking on behalf of the NPC, its officials and its members. Did you get a recent appointment to this position. Not sure why it concerns you. Try getting involved with the real issues regarding BB. Instead of going along with the IFBB and NPC and continuing to do what it takes to keep control of BB do something right for a change.
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And Mr. Ass Kisser strikes again.
It is an amatuer show-the NPC can't do jack shit Mr Ass Kisser.
And if it was a Pro show your IFBB couldn't do jack shit either.
This is America you fool, not Russia, China or Iran, people can work/compete anywhere they want to.
LOL.....what a tool.
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But Chic what business is it of yours. You are NOT the NPC rep are you. I mean if you want to get involved with every NPC or IFBB issue then do it right. Why are you speaking on behalf of the NPC, its officials and its members. Did you get a recent appointment to this position. Not sure why it concerns you. Try getting involved with the real issues regarding BB. Instead of going along with the IFBB and NPC and continuing to do what it takes to keep control of BB do something right for a change.
Other than you..who said I was speaking on anyone's behalf but my own?
Stay out of it, Keith...it's not a PDI matter
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Can't we all just be friends ? :'(
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The NPC USAs are a huge event.
People are going to be talking about 2 things after that weekend in Vegas: the USAs and Muscle Mansion 2008.
Hope this helps.
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This thread is gold!
The NPC USAs are a huge event.
People are going to be talking about 2 things after that weekend in Vegas: the USAs and Muscle Mansion 2008.
Hope this helps.
Probably... but... if some team of super freaky europeans shows up that sunday (looking as good as many pros), and they win a dump truck full of $ and some free cars, there will be a lot of love for that show on the boards, come monday. It's impossible not too. Just too sexy a topic.
I think this debate is very healthy for the sustainability of the sport.
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Other than you..who said I was speaking on anyone's behalf but my own?
Stay out of it, Keith...it's not a PDI matter
You are on here telling everyone how if an NPC competitor enters Ben's show they could suffer ramifications. YOU SAID THAT. Why do you take it on as your own personal vendetta against Ben to come on this board and probably others to say that. Oh it is not your own personal vendetta then it must be the NPC's. Oh it isn't. Then who's is it. Come on Chic, you come on here and act like a cop for the IFBB and NPC and when you are called on something you back peddle and double-talk. The worst thing about it is that you do all this for free.
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You are on here telling everyone how if an NPC competitor enters Ben's show they could suffer ramifications. YOU SAID THAT. Why do you take it on as your own personal vendetta against Ben to come on this board and probably others to say that. Oh it is not your own personal vendetta then it must be the NPC's. Oh it isn't. Then who's is it. Come on Chic, you come on here and act like a cop for the IFBB and NPC and when you are called on something you back peddle and double-talk. The worst thing about it is that you do all this for free.
You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...
You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.
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Keith is demonstrating a clear and fair mind in this thread. In Getbig language he is owning Bob Chick.
I doubt Bob can separate what he stands for from what the IFBB position is. When you realize that the IFBB is particular people you then see that self-interest is behind everything.
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You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...
You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.
See, I know how to budget, I didn't have pay anything to get my point across. And I will take that as a compliment saying I have nothing to do with the IFBB or NPC. By the way, that is a very good thing thank you. No matter what, I at least have enough integrity to not have anything to do with those organizations.
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There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there?
so why doesn't the NPC make an official statement, perhaps on their own website? because that could be used against them in a lawsuit. they can't actually ban someone without running the risk of it ending up in court. but they can use you and Melvin to try to intimidate athletes.
Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...
that applies equally to Jon Lindsey and Co
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so why doesn't the NPC make an official statement, perhaps on their own website? because that could be used against them in a lawsuit. they can't actually ban someone without running the risk of it ending up in court. but they can use you and Melvin to try to intimidate athletes.
that applies equally to Jon Lindsey and Co
I report the information when it comes to me. People can make their own decision from there. An NPC competitor has every right to know that if he competes at the B&A that he could seriously risk his status as an amateur athletes.
I gave the same warning about the PDI and some pros listened while others didn't and now they are being brutally punished for their actions. Vinny Galanti may now never turn pro, Lee Priest is on his knees begging to get back in. In the end, a lot of people got the shaft and now they want to get back on the elevator
Its not intimidation, its factual reporting and it saved lots of people from the grief and embarrassment.
Imagine a promising top NPC competitor who could turn pro throw it all away by entering an unsanctioned show.
I think a lot of my fellow NPC athletes would agree that an IFBB pro card is worth a lot more than a chance to win a fucking motorcycle.
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You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...
You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.
And how the fuck would you know that>>> Are you some sort of magician or fortune teller that knows everything and can see the future???
Hey, I have an idea for you Chick, STFU for once and don't play Mr. Ass Kisser-how does that sound?
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Almost forgot to answer Ben's question. The reason I posted this originally was because you were falsely informing NPC competitors that their amatuer statuses would not be affected on your promotional website. After I checked with an official, she confirmed everything with me.
The following information is from YOUR WEBSITE:
Does this Show effect my Amateur Status?
No, of course not. We are Not an Organization. We are a Production Company. We are not affiliated with any Organization!
Even if we had a Pro card to give out, (which of course we don't) or even if we would give out cash money in Figure and Body Building, (which we are not doing - it is a gift card or a car) in none of the Organizations would that make you a Pro. Pros get paid money - Amateurs get Valuable Prizes. This is what protects your Amateur Status.
You also have to earn your Pro Status in the Organization you want your Pro Card in.
We know a lot of Pros would actually get money at their Pro contests in their federations and still compete in other federations as an Amateur. However, we are only giving out cash money for Bikini Divas and Arm Wrestling, because as far as we know, there is no such thing as an Amateur or Pro Bikini Diva.
The link is right here http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com/HTML/Important_Info_News.htm
By putting this information up here, you could possibly fuck up a lot of NPC competitors futures.
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Chick,
why can't you address this double talk flip flopping of yours?
So how does "warning" NPC competitors to not compete in Bens show = not giving a rats ass who enters Bens show?
were you told by someone to log on and issue this "warning" of yours?
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Chick,
why can't you address this double talk flip flopping of yours?
Easy one....
Keeping people informed has nothing to do with who CHOOSES to partake in the event. At the end of the day, it won't affect me one bit if 2 NPC athletes decide to compete or 200...
But the athletes should know the facts and make their own, educated decision before making up their mind.....
Not sure where anyone see's "double talk"....
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dumbass,
of course an NPC official will discourage you from competing elsewhere.
They use the same scare tactic BS that chick is trying to spew here.
you are as guillible as you are out of shape.
Almost forgot to answer Ben's question. The reason I posted this originally was because you were falsely informing NPC competitors that their amatuer statuses would not be affected on your promotional website. After I checked with an official, she confirmed everything with me.
The following information is from YOUR WEBSITE:
Does this Show effect my Amateur Status?
No, of course not. We are Not an Organization. We are a Production Company. We are not affiliated with any Organization!
Even if we had a Pro card to give out, (which of course we don't) or even if we would give out cash money in Figure and Body Building, (which we are not doing - it is a gift card or a car) in none of the Organizations would that make you a Pro. Pros get paid money - Amateurs get Valuable Prizes. This is what protects your Amateur Status.
You also have to earn your Pro Status in the Organization you want your Pro Card in.
We know a lot of Pros would actually get money at their Pro contests in their federations and still compete in other federations as an Amateur. However, we are only giving out cash money for Bikini Divas and Arm Wrestling, because as far as we know, there is no such thing as an Amateur or Pro Bikini Diva.
The link is right here http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com/HTML/Important_Info_News.htm
By putting this information up here, you could possibly fuck up a lot of NPC competitors futures.
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Keeping people informed of this rule/wish has little to do with your so-called benevolence, and more to do with
falling in line with Manions desires. Being a loyal follower of Manion, this is understandable, yet pathetic.
Numerous examples have been mentioned to which this "rule" of yours doesn't apply.
to which you had nothing.
then you invented some sort of "but they didn't place in the top ten in the Nationals" criteria
followed by a "there isn't a task force to enforce this" story to avoid looking like a complete idiot.
getting owned on getbig for the sake of gaining points with Manion - "priceless"
Easy one....
Keeping people informed has nothing to do with who CHOOSES to partake in the event. At the end of the day, it won't affect me one bit if 2 NPC athletes decide to compete or 200...
But the athletes should know the facts and make their own, educated decision before making up their mind.....
Not sure where anyone see's "double talk"....
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Keeping people informed of this rule/wish has little to do with your so-called benevolence, and more to do with
falling in line with Manions desires. Being a loyal follower of Manion, this is understandable, yet pathetic.
Numerous examples have been mentioned to which this "rule" of yours doesn't apply.
to which you had nothing.
then you invented some sort of "but they didn't place in the top ten in the Nationals" criteria
followed by a "there isn't a task force to enforce this" story to avoid looking like a complete idiot.
getting owned on getbig for the sake of gaining points with Manion - "priceless"
Getting "owned" by who? A moron like yourself?LOLOLOLOLOL............. .............
I didn't have to "invent" anything, Genius....Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?
You're a joke...
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dumbass,
of course an NPC official will discourage you from competing elsewhere.
They use the same scare tactic BS that chick is trying to spew here.
you are as guillible as you are out of shape.
Its not a scare tactics, its part the NPC rules. If you compete for money or prizes then you are no longer considered an amatuer athlete....period.
Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.
One more thing to Tim and everyone else, I don't work for the NPC or IFBB nor do I work for Chick or BB.com. I've disagreed with Chick on a few things but usually he's dead on the money when it comes to things like this and is doing a great service to the NPC and IFBB competitors.
The fact that he's one of the only pros who even discusses things with the peanut gallery is something to respect.
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Chic just to let you know how really dumb you are starting to become. Goodrum is supporting you. That should tell you right there you are on the wrong side of the fence. You are sounding as moronic as he does. Do you see where your life is heading. Do you honestly want to be known and remembered as the "white Goodrum" come on man have some dignity. You are lowering yourself to the level of "Goodrum" You might as well go out and start beating dogs and cats in the neighborhood and even worse start selling Magic Sticks
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Chic just to let you know how really dumb you are starting to become. Goodrum is supporting you. That should tell you right there you are on the wrong side of the fence. You are sounding as moronic as he does. Do you see where your life is heading. Do you honestly want to be known and remembered as the "white Goodrum" come on man have some dignity. You are lowering yourself to the level of "Goodrum" You might as well go out and start beating dogs and cats in the neighborhood and even worse start selling Magic Sticks
Keith, you're talking out of your ass. So we agree on something....big fucking whoop.
I've disagreed with him on other things including the 2006 Master Worlds as I thought originally that Johnny Stewart should have gotten the edge (Not Rusty Jeffers) originally but the difference is that I actually did it in a professional manner.
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Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?
ok, so now that I've provided a tool for the NPC to keep track of such things, they'll be starting disciplinary actions on Charles Anderson, Alan Bailey, John Bauler, Michael Carter, Marc Arthur Dautruche, Jameul Dye, Rico Elbaz, Dave Goodin, Caesar Hamilton, Tommy Hawk, Dietrich Horsey, Nigel Ifill, Jamel Keels, Tim Martin, Michael Miller, Robert Moore, Charles Moorer, William Powell, Eugene Rhodes, Philip Ricardo, Ben Rodriguez, Jaime Rosario, Michael Tryska, and Wil Usher
(those are ones who have violated this 'rule' in the past two years)
(it's surprising how many of them are Team Universe competitors)
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ok, so now that I've provided a tool for the NPC to keep track of such things, they'll be starting disciplinary actions on Charles Anderson, Alan Bailey, John Bauler, Michael Carter, Marc Arthur Dautruche, Jameul Dye, Rico Elbaz, Dave Goodin, Caesar Hamilton, Tommy Hawk, Dietrich Horsey, Nigel Ifill, Jamel Keels, Tim Martin, Michael Miller, Robert Moore, Charles Moorer, William Powell, Eugene Rhodes, Philip Ricardo, Ben Rodriguez, Jaime Rosario, Michael Tryska, and Wil Usher
(those are ones who have violated this 'rule' in the past two years)
(it's surprising how many of them are Team Universe competitors)
How do you know that these people didn't have any sanctioned levied upon them???? For the most part, most of these competitors are from the WNBF and NABBA and the NPC problably didn't pay any mind or saw them as a considerable threat.
In addition, having someone like Dave Goodin or Tim Martin competing at the Team Universe when he's been a 2 time WNBF World Champion or 3 time WNBF Mr Universe actually works to the NPC's advantage in making their show more prestigous than the WNBF
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Its not a scare tactics, its part the NPC rules. If you compete for money or prizes then you are no longer considered an amatuer athlete....period.
and if they had been enforcing that rule in the last dozen years, they might have a point. but they haven't and it's pretty impossible for them to start now without being slapped with a lawsuit or two.
back in the day, being paid for photos cost you your amateur status, working as a personal trainer cost you your amateur status, certainly being paid to endorse a product cost you your amateur status. by those standards, there won't be a single amateur at the NPC USAs.
One more thing to Tim and everyone else, I don't work for the NPC or IFBB nor do I work for Chick or BB.com. I've disagreed with Chick on a few things but usually he's dead on the money when it comes to things like this and is doing a great service to the NPC and IFBB competitors.
your motivation is that you want to seem important. you're failing. why would anyone in the NPC use you to get out info is beyond me. if they had any clue about the internet and go see what you write under your various gimmick accounts, they wouldn't be sharing anything with you.
Chick's motivation seems to be only that he answers to Manion or is friends with Lindsey
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How do you know that these people didn't have any sanctioned levied upon them????
no one has been DQed, no one has been prevented from entering a contest. people have gone back and forth between amateur, pro, amateur, pro, over many years and within the same year.
In addition, having someone like Dave Goodin or Tim Martin competing at the Team Universe when he's been a 2 time WNBF World Champion or 3 time WNBF Mr Universe actually works to the NPC's advantage in making their show more prestigous than the WNBF
rules cannot be selectively enforced.
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O Ton Vince :
Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.
I like to see this announcement,letter or whatever..........there is no such official letter,there was only a letter about the IFBB Pros but no NPC letter or official announcement yet, why because they know they will get sued!
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O Ton Vince :
Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.
I like to see this announcement,letter or whatever..........there is no such official letter,there was only a letter about the IFBB Pros but no NPC letter or official announcement yet, why because they know they will get sued!
No they won't... ::) Its in the NPC rule book and all athletes have signed off on their agreements to follow them.
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and if they had been enforcing that rule in the last dozen years, they might have a point. but they haven't and it's pretty impossible for them to start now without being slapped with a lawsuit or two.
back in the day, being paid for photos cost you your amateur status, working as a personal trainer cost you your amateur status, certainly being paid to endorse a product cost you your amateur status. by those standards, there won't be a single amateur at the NPC USAs.
your motivation is that you want to seem important. you're failing. why would anyone in the NPC use you to get out info is beyond me. if they had any clue about the internet and go see what you write under your various gimmick accounts, they wouldn't be sharing anything with you.
Chick's motivation seems to be only that he answers to Manion or is friends with Lindsey
Obviously, I'm important or otherwise so many people would not have responded to this thread or any one that I place up.
I also do not have a personal need to be important nor keep myself amused. I own and operate a successful online health and fitness business and train a lot of people.
In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)
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In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)
melvin has a job. you're a gimmeck
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melvin has a job. you're a gimmeck
Try spelling gimmick correctly first off. Second, the only thing you do is beg for donations and whine about being unemployed. Stop complaining and start working.
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Second, the only thing you do is beg for donations
what good it does. It's brought in less than $50 in the last six months, even though I provide a valuable service to the bodybuilding community (and receiving 2300 unique visitors a day).
and whine about being unemployed. Stop complaining and start working.
I easily put in 60 hours of work a week. just not getting paid for too much of it. that's my choice
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getting owned by your own stupid self.
After providing a list of names multiple times you have now backed yourself into a corner.
The only logical conclusion drawn from your ramblings on the NPC rule is that
"only the top 15 of a national show cannot compete for money on other federations, for everyone else it is ok"
why don't you try and double talk your way out of this one again?
While you're at it, try and answer this one too:
if you really don't care if they compete in bens show, why are you on this thread?
somehow i douby it is to wish ben good luck.
Getting "owned" by who? A moron like yourself?LOLOLOLOLOL............. .............
I didn't have to "invent" anything, Genius....Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?
You're a joke...
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This shit has been going on for years the NPC IFBB have always stood over their athletes with a big stick look at Priest they treat Pros like idiots so why would it be any different for others???.
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No they won't... ::) Its in the NPC rule book and all athletes have signed off on their agreements to follow them.
Is there a NPC agreement? I swear I did not ever see that. I was a member for two years. I missed that one
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Obviously, I'm important or otherwise so many people would not have responded to this thread or any one that I place up.
I also do not have a personal need to be important nor keep myself amused. I own and operate a successful online health and fitness business and train a lot of people.
In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHA! Man the shit that comes out of your mouth is fucking hilarious. You just don't get it. You are truly that stupid aren't you. Thank god you are gay. It is embarrassing having you part of the male race. Thank god you will never fuck a girl and have kids. Cause I swear that would be the worse thing you could do. To have a kid have to say they are related to you would be hell. Already I bet you anything your family is so embarrassed by you it is sad. Queer Vissy must be on huge idiot too. I mean how blind and desperate do you have to be to be around you more than a minute. Is Vissy retarded Vince. He has to be. Something mentally is wrong with him. No way could a half-way normal guy like you. Already NO girls like you. Tell us more about your retarded gay lover Vissy.
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HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHA! Man the shit that comes out of your mouth is fucking hilarious. You just don't get it. You are truly that stupid aren't you. Thank god you are gay. It is embarrassing having you part of the male race. Thank god you will never fuck a girl and have kids. Cause I swear that would be the worse thing you could do. To have a kid have to say they are related to you would be hell. Already I bet you anything your family is so embarrassed by you it is sad. Queer Vissy must be on huge idiot too. I mean how blind and desperate do you have to be to be around you more than a minute. Is Vissy retarded Vince. He has to be. Something mentally is wrong with him. No way could a half-way normal guy like you. Already NO girls like you. Tell us more about your retarded gay lover Vissy.
Only your fat ass would be low enough to go after people's friends and family.
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Maybe QueenVissy and Melvin Goodrum met at a retard meet.
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Vintage Vince G for sure. This dude entertains like no one else. Internet legend, hero and fearless reporter.
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Is he an NPC competitor???Wow the standard is high in that org.No wonder they want to keep their athletes in line and not allow them to compete in other shows. ::)
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I see both sides of the fence regarding this interesting topic and have to admit that I've never seen any amateur sign any agreement other than what is stated on a contest entry form or on the back of a current NPC membership card.
And I am sorry that I don't have either of those in my possession at present.
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I say bring back the days when bodybuilders could enter any and all shows. You would show up, fill in a form, join whatever was necessary, pay the fee and you were in.
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Only your fat ass would be low enough to go after people's friends and family.
What do you mean. You don't have either. Hope this helps.
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Vince says, "I say bring back the days when bodybuilders could enter any and all shows. You would show up, fill in a form, join whatever was necessary, pay the fee and you were in."
That still applies today, Vince. As you well know, Amateurs can still enter any show they want to providing that they are aware of the present definition of the word "amateur" and that one cannot retain his/her amateur status if one compete in a contest that offers a cash award or an award of value.
The actual definition of "amateur" was even stricter in your days as you may or may not recall.
But even then, it was impossible to keep track of any athlete who crossed the line.
And if someone did compete in "pro" contest, no one usually ever complained about or even questioned his amateur standing unless that individual was one of the top contenders.
ANd let me reaffirm that NPC athletes have in fact been banned from entering NPC events for up to a one year period as a result of competing in a contest for a cash award or an award that could be easily converted into cash.
The REAL QUESTION here is - What is the definition of an "Amateur Athlete" within competitive bodybuilding.
The NPC states that an athlete is no longer an amateur bodybuilder if he enters a bodybuilding contest in which a "cash award" is offered. That athlete does not have to win. He simply has to enter and compete. Once he does so, he is no longer considered to be an amateur within the NPC.
So if he is no longer considered to be an "amateur", one would ASSUME that he is a professional. But such a "professional" is not recognized as such within the IFBB and possibly not even recognized as a pro in any other bodybuilding sanctioning body.
So he's kind of in a place called Limbo.
The Big Question behind this real question is - Would a court of law agree or disagree with the NPC's definition/viewpoint of an amateur bodybuilding athlete?
My personal feeling is that there has to be a distinction between amateurs and athletes, and the definition we are presently adhering to has worked since the early days of the AAU (and possibly even before the AAU) - Compete for cash and you are no longer an amateur. It's a simple way to maintain this distinction, but the problem of "control" always arises.
"Control" means witch-hunt tactics tracking down the "culprits" who bend the rules. And that's damn near impossible within a small organization unless complaints are signed, sealed and delivered to the proper authority who reacts and takes the appropriate action.
And for your information appropriate action WAS taken with one-year suspensions in two separate cases that I have been party to. And even though we are not aware of who these "culprits" may be, I am sure that there have been many other "appropriate actions" taken in the past.
Sure there have been many similar cases that have been overlooked and never brought to anyones attention for a good number of reasons. I can't think of any organization that doesn't have a similar in-house problem.
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This is officially a 'stupid thread'.
Tim Fogarty is exempt.
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what good it does. It's brought in less than $50 in the last six months, even though I provide a valuable service to the bodybuilding community (and receiving 2300 unique visitors a day).
I easily put in 60 hours of work a week. just not getting paid for too much of it. that's my choice
Exactly, you're a smart guy Tim and you shouldn't be in this position to where you HAVE to beg for donations. A few Google ads or Clickbank links wouldn't hurt your website and you would be able to make a living doing the same thing you're doing right now.
If I can do that, then you can too. And I don't even put in 20 hours with my business
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Exactly, you're a smart guy Tim and you shouldn't be in this position to where you HAVE to beg for donations. A few Google ads or Clickbank links wouldn't hurt your website and you would be able to make a living doing the same thing you're doing right now.
If I can do that, then you can too. And I don't even put in 20 hours with my business
I finally figured out why you think you are doing good. you have a very meek lifestyle. Where you live and how you live you can make the little money you say you make. But most people have better standards than you do. You are obviously someone who doesn't have any type of style or experience in the better things of life. So living in an area like you do where a dollar goes a long way you are doing fine. Your thought process is so fucked up you are under the impression what you do is impressive. But in reality you live a lifestyle that 99% of the people would never want. And combined that with how you look, your attitude, your potential, your future, it must suck being you
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I finally figured out why you think you are doing good. you have a very meek lifestyle. Where you live and how you live you can make the little money you say you make. But most people have better standards than you do. You are obviously someone who doesn't have any type of style or experience in the better things of life. So living in an area like you do where a dollar goes a long way you are doing fine. Your thought process is so fucked up you are under the impression what you do is impressive. But in reality you live a lifestyle that 99% of the people would never want. And combined that with how you look, your attitude, your potential, your future, it must suck being you
I live the lifestyle that I choose. I could go out and buy a brand newJaguar or Mercedes outright with cash but its not practical or does it make since.
Living modestly allows me to save money for when I retire early instead of having to keep up with the Jones until I'm dead.
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If you can buy a new Mercedes then surely you can afford to go to a gym to work out. That is, if there are any gyms in that little town where you live.
I thought you said you still have a college loan to pay off. I guess you met someone with some money and have a joint bank account now.
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I don't think Queen Vissy would like your advice, Howard!
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I own and operate a successful online health and fitness business and train a lot of people.
In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)
'Training people' isn't a job, fool.
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no 2009 event?
Vince G is the guest poser