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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on July 20, 2012, 02:11:54 AM
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Some kunt in a gas mask started shoting people at 12.30am during the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises :o
30-40 injured, 10 dead according to some reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492
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Where was Batman when you needed him??
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Arch-enemy of peace.
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WTF is wrong with people FFS.
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Police describe the suspect as Caucasian, 6'0", bald, w/ mask.
10 confirmed dead including children.
Possible bomb exploded too.
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14 dead currently :'(
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Shit the bed
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15 people now confirmed dead!! SHIT!!!
http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/batman-shooting-14-dead-suspect-held-1.1345854
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I feel for the people and their families, but FUCK Colorado, given I never liked the place and had to tolerate it for 2 years.
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A 6 year old child. Domestic terrorist. death penalty
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Now this is definitely where carrying a piece can come in handy.
That sucks, though.
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Shouldn't bring a 6 year old kid to a midnight movie.
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Shouldn't bring a 6 year old kid to a midnight movie.
Good point :-\
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Spent more time on his costume than on the plan. Go to a public place and shoot people with a gun. Only a genius supervillain could hatch such a devilishly inspired scheme.
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I feel for the people and their families, but FUCK Colorado, given I never liked the place and had to tolerate it for 2 years.
What's wrong with Colorado?
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What's wrong with Colorado?
Les oxygen
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Les oxygen
So it's the altitude G_Thang is complaining about, and not the lack of/abundance of black/white people or their manners?
I was first thinking it was the general attitude that was frowned upon, and not the ALTITUDE :D
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They caught the 24 year old shit head shooter ,
Should we play the guess the race game? Or is it obvious it's whitey again
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http://www.businessinsider.com/james-holmes-aurora-shooting-2012-7
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Anyone got this guys facebook page/photo yet?
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Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race :D...............
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Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race :D...............
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Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race :D...............
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racist post reported
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I'm just glade Phil "the gift" decided to hit the gym last night instead of watching the dark night or else Jay Cutler would be champ again
Fucking sad news :/
Going in to watch a movie or allowing your kids to watch a late night movie and some piece of shit ends their lives
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Where was batman when the people needed him?
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;D
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News say he threw some smoke gas and was wearing a gas mask, also was wearing a bullet proof best, stood in front of the theater , shot over 60 people, all the dead people are still in the theater
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;D
When you are right you are right.
If blacks are going to get trashed on this site for stupid shit - its perfectly fair to trash whites when they lose it.
No arguments.
Everybody is shooting everybodt lately.
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Oh man, if this shit happened in a 3rd world country, the guy would be dead before his first scheduled court hearing.
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all the dead people are still in the theater
Same thing happened at screenings of Norbit, Battlefield Earth and Clooney's Batman, but there was no gunman at those.
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they staged the whole shooting thing to get more publicity
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There could be a gunman still on the loose, so Ill stand around the lobby and film it
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they staged the whole shooting thing to get more publicity
Obama planned this to push through gun control!
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Que the gun control people and Obama gun ban law in
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Where is old gunslinger from Internet cafe shop when u need him
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This is shitty. Obama will be all over this.
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I'm just glade Phil "the gift" decided to hit the gym last night instead of watching the dark night or else Jay Cutler would be champ again
Damn, beat me to it.
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This is shitty. Obama will be all over this.
And so will his opponents.
Idiot left: freak incident = ban all guns!
Idiot right: freak incident = everyone should pack heat!
Normal people: accept that lunatics gonna lunatic.
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Wow, very sad.
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Now this is definitely where carrying a piece can come in handy.
FINALLY you see the light!
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5:58 - FAIL
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Were the survivors allowed to finish watching the movie?
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Were the survivors allowed to finish watching the movie?
;D
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Were the survivors allowed to finish watching the movie?
I would think most of them are just grateful to wait until it comes out on dvd now. :-\
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Police describe the suspect as Caucasian, 6'0", bald, w/ mask.
10 confirmed dead including children.
Possible bomb exploded too.
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BINGO!!!, remember giffords???? this is another right wing nut job making a point to help ''save his country" RUSH LIMBAUGH is going to get alot of flack for this.
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BINGO!!!, remember giffords???? this is another right wing nut job making a point to help ''save his country" RUSH LIMBAUGH is going to get alot of flack for this.
LOL!!!!!
The shooter of giffords was a marxist nut.
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Wiggs bleeding all over in that video, right behind him is a 8 or 10 yr old batman in FULL costume :(
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http://www.pibillwarner.com/2012/07/occupy-black-bloc-member-james-holmes.html
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FBI Search Alleged Gunman's Apartment
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looks like you need to be more concerned with your own citizens then al-qaida. how many of these massacres so far this year?? 3-4? insane.
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USA of peace :o
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Bruce wayne Goes off on Lunatic
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Bruce wayne Goes off on Lunatic
LOL, fucking primadonna.
What is that anyway?
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Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race :D...............
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man im not gonna dispute this one i knew he was white the second i heard.
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LOL, fucking primadonna.
What is that anyway?
the video is somone doing a skit of the Audio from the set of Terminator Salvation when christian bale flamed out at the camera lighting guy for ruining his shot , there is no video of it , just audio
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BINGO!!!, remember giffords???? this is another right wing nut job making a point to help ''save his country" RUSH LIMBAUGH is going to get alot of flack for this.
These people are idiots..
http://twitchy.com/2012/07/20/left-blames-aurora-shooting-on-rush-limbaugh/
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Reports are saying that the gunman snuck into the theater from an emegency exit, he is going to be in BIG trouble for that.
I have been watching Robin Meade talk about this all morning, I never hear a word that comes out of her mouth for some reason.
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"Don't look at me...."
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where is vigilante gramps when you need him again
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Lmao, i like how hes looking him in the eye too
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Guns don`t kill people, Batman does.
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From what I heard this morning at 6AM on the radio a 24 yr old entered the theater at 12:30AM, threw out smoke bombs and opened fire with an AK-47. Killed 14 people including a 3 month old and a 6 year old and I believe also shot a 9 yr old girl.
Of course, "why were all these small children at a midnight Batman premiere?" Get past that immediately. Doesn't matter what age the victims were, but it does emphasize how disturbed this kid was that did this.
Takes everything in me not to allow my blood to boil.
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http://www.iheart.com/live/389/
denver 850 KoA station
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This makes me want to see the movie even more, it will make the experience even more real
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Damn, what the hell is wrong with people ??? ???
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-dark-knight-shooting-20120720,0,2147749.story
A lone 24-year-old masked gunman entered a Colorado movie theater playing the new Batman movie and opened fire early Friday, killing at least 12 people and wounding 50, according to police and local media. The suspect, a white male, was found in the parking lot and did not resist arrest, CNN said.
Witnesses described a chaotic scene, telling television reporters that they were overcome by noxious gas unleashed by the suspect just before he started shooting, and that they had to decide between staying on the ground, helping wounded victims or running away before the gunman was able to reload his weapon. Survivors said they were forced to run past bodies in the aisles and theater.
The gunman was armed with a rifle, a shotgun and two handguns, police said. Cellphone videos show panicked moviegoers running — some screaming — and others with blood visible.
Photos: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting
The death toll was revised downward from an earlier figure of 14 dead given by police in Aurora, a suburb east of Denver.
Crowds of worried family members and friends were gathering at Denver-area hospitals, hoping to hear about their loved ones. According to images broadcast by local television, some held their heads down, and rocked back and forth as they sat on the sidewalk, as the sun rose.
The shooting came minutes after the 12:05 a.m. premiere showing of the widely anticipated premiere of "The Dark Knight Rises."
Eyewitnesses said the gunman entered the movie theater through the emergency exit door near the front of the screen in theater No. 9 at the Century 16 in Aurora. A witness, who declined to be identified, told The Times that the gunman then "threw a canister across the theater," unleashing gas, "then started shooting."
The witness said he saw a man two seats over who was shot in the head. "I can't get his image out of my head," the witness wrote in a message. The victim was wearing a shirt bearing the face of the Joker from the Batman series; after he was shot, he slumped back in his chair, his face covered in blood.
Witnesses told Denver's NBC affiliate, KUSA-TV 9News, that the tall, muscular gunman , wearing a riot helmet, gas mask and dressed all in black, said nothing as he entered the theater. Initially, spectators thought he was part of the show.
But witnesses described seeing him toss two canisters to the ground, and once they exploded, spectators began ducking or running out of the theater, an escape made difficult by the blinding gas.
"He looked so calm when he did it," a witness told 9News.
At one point, there was a pause in the shooting, when the gunman appeared to reload his weapon, and some spectators took that opportunity to flee, witnesses told the NBC affiliate. Witnesses described scenes of gunshot victims scrambling to escape the theater.
The Denver TV station played police dispatch audio of first-responders asking operators to ask for gas masks.
Some of the bullets pierced walls and traveled into the adjacent theater, No. 8, and injured people, 9News reported. A 3-month-old baby was taken to the hospital, but was not wounded by gunfire, 9News reported, quoting a hospital spokesperson. The TV station reported that the infant was checked and then released from the hospital.
"This is a horrific event," Aurora police chief Daniel J. Oates told reporters during a news conference. There was no evidence of a second gunman, Oates said.
The shooting came just after hundreds of theater-goers had lined up for hours, eager to see "The Dark Knight Rises," the third installment of director Christopher Nolan's Batman series.
Oates said 10 people were found dead in the theater.
The suspect was found outside the theater holding a rifle and a handgun, the TV station reported, quoting police.
9News reported that the suspect indicated to police that his apartment building might have explosives, and authorities were evacuating that structure and searching for possible explosives.
Warner Bros., the studio that produced the movie, said in a statement: “Warner Bros. is deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident. We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time.”
President Obama released the following statement: "My administration will do everything that we can to support the people of Aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time. We are committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded. As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge, we must now come together as one American family. All of us must have the people of Aurora in our thoughts and prayers as they confront the loss of family, friends, and neighbors, and we must stand together with them in the challenging hours and days to come."
Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, issued a statement shortly after Obama's saying he and his wife, Ann, were "deeply saddened by the news of the senseless violence."
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man im not gonna dispute this one i knew he was white the second i heard.
No shit, I have a bddy(who's black) and we talk about this. If its some sort of serial killer, child molester, it's a whiteboy. If its ghetto shoot outs, or flashmob, it's black.
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Explosives, bullet proof vests, gas mask, yeah, definitely a white guy, lol.
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Correct
A solo guy doing something crazy (serial killers etc) is usually white, when there is a pack doing savage things, they're usually black.
While blacks can be like packs of hyenas attacking those that are weaker and know there will be less risk, whites can sometimes be like eagles, hunting alone with organization and plan.
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why the fuck can civillians get an assault rifle??? they sell these'toys' at wallmart?? good god.
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Mom lives in San Diego, ca..... Said she isnt surprised her son did it
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/james-holmes-aurora-colorado-the-dark-knight-rises-shooters-mother-says-shes-not-surprised (http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/james-holmes-aurora-colorado-the-dark-knight-rises-shooters-mother-says-shes-not-surprised)
James Holmes: Aurora, Colorado 'The Dark Knight Rises' shooter's mother says she's not surprised
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SAN DIEGO - According to ABC News, a San Diego woman identifying herself as James Holmes’ mother, Arlene, spoke briefly with the news crew Friday morning.
WATCH LIVE COVERAGE HERE
The woman had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting and had not been contacted by authorities. She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved."
You have the right person,” the mother said, speaking on instinct. “I need to call the police,” she added. “I need to fly out to Colorado.”
The incident began when a gunman wearing a gas mask set off an unknown gas and fired into a crowded movie theater in suburban Denver at a midnight opening of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 12 people and injuring at least 50 others, authorities said.
Moviegoers didn't know what was happening and some thought the attack was part of the show. Then they saw a silhouette of a person in the smoke at the front of the theater near the screen, pointing a gun at the crowd.
"I told my friend `we've got to get out of here,' but then he shot people trying to go out the exits," Jennifer Seeger told NBC's "Today."
She said the shooter made his way up the aisle, firing as he went, saying nothing.
Federal law enforcement officials identified the suspect as James Holmes, a 24-year-old American. Holmes is in police custody, and the FBI says there is no indication that incident is tied to any terrorist groups.
The federal law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Some of those injured are children, including a 3-month-old infant who was shot.
Police earlier said 14 people were dead, but later revised the number to at least 12. It was not immediately clear for the reason for the revision.
Witness Shayla Roeder said she saw a young teenage girl on the ground bleeding outside the theater." She just had this horrible look in her eyes .... We made eye contact and I could tell she was not all right," Roeder said.
Victims are being treated for chemical exposure apparently related to canisters thrown by the gunman. The shooter was arrested shortly after the attack at 12:30 a.m. MDT at the multiplex theater at a mall in Aurora.
It was the worst mass shooting in Colorado since the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999. Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at the school in the Denver suburb of Littleton, about 15 miles west of Aurora, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school's library.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania on ABC's "Good Morning America" said he didn't know yet if all the injuries were gunshot wounds. He said some might have been caused by other things such as shrapnel.
Police, ambulances and emergency crews swarmed on the scene after frantic calls started flooding the 911 switchboard, officials said.
Officers came running in and telling people to leave the theater, Salina Jordan told the Denver Post. She said some police were carrying and dragging bodies.
Officers later found the gunman near a car behind the theater."A gas mask, rifle, handgun at least one additional weapon (were) found inside," he said.
The suspect was taken into custody, but no name was released. Oates said there's no evidence of any other attackers. There was also no immediate word of any motive.
The suspect spoke of "possible explosives in his residence. We are dealing with that potential threat," Oates said.
A large truck lettered "bomb squad" arrived near an Aurora apartment complex where the suspect is believed to have lived, about four miles from the theater. Dozens of police squad cars, vans and other vehicles were already at the scene, along with black-clad officers carrying automatic weapons.
Police evacuated residents of the building. Oates did not say whether any explosives had been found.
He said police also checked for explosives in the parking lot and at the Century 16 theater and secured those areas.
President Barack Obama said he was saddened by the "horrific and tragic shooting," pledging that his administration was "committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded."
Moviegoers spoke of their terror as violence erupted and people around them fell victim.
Benjamin Fernandez, 30, told the Post that he heard a series of explosions. He said that people ran from the theater and there were gunshots as police shouted "get down!"Fernandez said he saw people falling, including one young girl.
Jordan told the paper that one girl was struck in cheek, others in stomach including a girl who looked to be around 9-years-old.
Jordan said it sounded like firecrackers until someone ran into Theater 8 yelling "they're shooting out here!" Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he heard several shots."Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people
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Obama On Aurora Shooting: “Our Time Here Is Limited And Precious”
“My daughters go to the movies,” he adds. “There are going to be other days for politics.” posted Jul 20, 2012 11:01am EDT
President Barack Obama took a break from campaigning to address this morning's tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, calling today for a day of prayer and reflection.
"There are going to be other days for politics," Obama said at was supposed to be a campaign event in Fort Myers, Florida. "This, I think, is a day for prayer and reflection."
Obama cancelled his second campaign event in the Orlando area today.
As he frequently does at moments of crisis, Obama invoked his role as a parent to describe his feeling after the shooting.
"My daughters go to the movies," he said. "What if Malia and Sasha had been at the theater?"
"Such violence, such evil is senseless," he added.
Obama didn't mention gun control, saying the message from today's events is to appreciate the fragility of life.
"If there's anything to take away from this tragedy it's the reminder that life is very fragile," Obama said, calling for a moment of silence from the audience. "Our time here is limited and precious."
In a particularly odd moment, several of Obama's supporters in Fort Myers chanted "Four More Years" as he concluded the decidedly apolitical event.
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Obamabots in all their glory
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why the fuck can civillians get an assault rifle??? they sell these'toys' at wallmart?? good god.
FUUUUUUK YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Pentagon-Military-casualties-in-Colorado-shooting/wqzXKAXq7E2Up06NoKgjzg.cspx (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Pentagon-Military-casualties-in-Colorado-shooting/wqzXKAXq7E2Up06NoKgjzg.cspx)
Pentagon: Military casualties in Colorado shooting
LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon says that some members of the military were either killed or wounded in the Colorado shooting at the Batman movie.
Pentagon press secretary George Little says it's not yet clear how many military casualties there were, or whether they were deaths or injuries.
Marine Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, says initial indications are that the suspect, James Holmes, was not a member of the military.
Holmes has been taken into custody in the deadly Denver-area shooting spree that killed 12 people and injured at least 50 others during a midnight showing of the movie Friday.
The FBI says there is no indication the shooting is tied to any terrorist groups.
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why the fuck can civillians get an assault rifle??? they sell these'toys' at wallmart?? good god.
Oh for gods sake.. All an assault rifle is, is a semi-auto magazine fed hunting rifle with a pistol grip.
Assault rifles get more shit for no reason, theyre not any deadlier than a rifle of a similar caliber, they just get demonized because they look mean.
Its not like theyre even fully automatic.
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Oh for gods sake.. All an assault rifle is, is a semi-auto magazine fed hunting rifle with a pistol grip.
Assault rifles get more shit for no reason, theyre not any deadlier than a rifle of a similar caliber, they just get demonized because they look mean.
Its not like theyre even fully automatic.
If anything, they're not as bad as some pistols out there considering how much more troublesome they are to conceal.
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These shootings are always the same. The gunman is a boring fuckwit who hated everyone but couldn't come up with a better way to end a lot of lives and was too impotent or confused to better direct his rage upon those who inspired it and may have deserved it.
Reactions are always desperately ignorant, as if a homicidal impulse is something so foreign to the speaker's mind that it's gee golly incomprehensible, 'cause good people like me are nothing like that crazy guy. Except for now when I have the wrath of obviously justified vengence, and it's not just an outlet for repressed violent impulses, I swear.
Humanity, you exhaust me sometimes. Get your shit together already.
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These shootings are always the same. The gunman is a boring fuckwit who hated everyone but couldn't come up with a better way to end a lot of lives and was too impotent or confused to better direct his rage upon those who inspired it and may have deserved it.
Reactions are always desperately ignorant, as if a homicidal impulse is something so foreign to the speaker's mind that it's gee golly incomprehensible, 'cause good people like me are nothing like that crazy guy. Except for now when I have the wrath of obviously justified vengence, and it's not just an outlet for repressed violent impulses, I swear.
Humanity, you exhaust me sometimes. Get your shit together already.
I have homicidal impulses all the time, especially while driving in traffic. :-\
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Oh for gods sake.. All an assault rifle is, is a semi-auto magazine fed hunting rifle with a pistol grip.
Assault rifles get more shit for no reason, theyre not any deadlier than a rifle of a similar caliber, they just get demonized because they look mean.
Its not like theyre even fully automatic.
Exactly.
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He will be fundraising off of this tonight. Count on it.
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Gun Law....
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they can be dismantled into small pieces very quickly, or vice versa, put together very quickly.
and there are assault rifles which can fire 20+ rounds in a row.
but yeah doesnt matter, lets be glad the guy didnt bring grenades with him.
Sure, but I'm having trouble seeing how an AR can be deployed as quickly as a pistol.. in situations like that, split seconds really do matter. But then again, I'm a gun ignoramus.
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LOL, ... Watch all the Idiots now want Metal Detectors At the Entrance of Theaters, all the while this shooter broke into the theater from the exit door in the front of the theater
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I take it your being sarcastic?
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is that the killer shooter 33386????
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Oh for gods sake.. All an assault rifle is, is a semi-auto magazine fed hunting rifle with a pistol grip.
Assault rifles get more shit for no reason, theyre not any deadlier than a rifle of a similar caliber, they just get demonized because they look mean.
Its not like theyre even fully automatic.
IT IS DESIGNED TO KILL PEOPLE! not animals but people. 20 rounds??
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they can be dismantled into small pieces very quickly, or vice versa, put together very quickly.
and there are assault rifles which can fire 20+ rounds in a row.
but yeah doesnt matter, lets be glad the guy didnt bring grenades with him.
Rofl ok...please tell us more mr.weapons expert ::)
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Sure, but I'm having trouble seeing how an AR can be deployed as quickly as a pistol.. in situations like that, split seconds really do matter. But then again, I'm a gun ignoramus.
No, you are correct.
Galeniko is way off the mark on.this.
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looks like your right 33386.... big grin on dudes face
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What the fuck is up with that white bitch in the back :-\ :-\ :-\
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Sure, but I'm having trouble seeing how an AR can be deployed as quickly as a pistol.. in situations like that, split seconds really do matter. But then again, I'm a gun ignoramus.
funny how you were arguing this point with a few here just days ago, guess its time to say ''I told ya so"
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IT IS DESIGNED TO KILL PEOPLE! not animals but people. 20 rounds??
Ignorance my friend, you are full of it.
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Sarah Palin A police spokeswoman's talk
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What the fuck is up with that white bitch in the back :-\ :-\ :-\
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Dude in the batman shirt looking for some love to his right.
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We've landed on the moon!!
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if i can recall correctly , Almost every exit in a theater has a security camera in case people try and sneak in during the movies , Im sure in time , they will show the security video of him going inside the theater moments before the shooting
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if i can recall correctly , Almost every exit in a theater has a security camera in case people try and sneak in during the movies , Im sure in time , they will show the security video of him going inside the theater moments before the shooting
Apparently his apartment is all booby trapped.
This thing was probably planned well in advance
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Also Killer IS a Graduate Medical Student .... Dr Dutch will not approve
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funny how you were arguing this point with a few here just days ago, guess its time to say ''I told ya so"
What exactly are you talking about? You obviously didn't read the thread properly.
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Some kunt in a gas mask started shoting people at 12.30am during the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises :o
30-40 injured, 10 dead according to some reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492
"the only way to avoid shootings like this is to increase the amount of people with guns, so they can defend themselves"
- America, stupidest country in the world
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News out now, is a father of a young age girl, heard someone knocking on the Emergency door, then she saw a guy walk to the door and open the door , 2 or 3 minutes later all hell broke loose ....
Dude that opened the door either
A) dumb fuck
B) dead dumb fuck
C) accomplice
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What exactly are you talking about? You obviously didn't read the thread properly.
I merely perused the thread, thought I picked up you were a proponent for stricter gun laws and responsible ownership>
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Mark Whalberg would have stopped this had he been in the theatre
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News out now, is a father of a young age girl, heard someone knocking on the Emergency door, then she saw a guy walk to the door and open the door , 2 or 3 minutes later all hell broke loose ....
Dude that opened the door either
A) dumb fuck
B) dead dumb fuck
C) accomplice
Yes because you're watching a movie and thinking, shit this is probably a guy who is about to throw a smoke bomb and shoot up the place since that happens so often ::)
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Yes because you're watching a movie and thinking, shit this is probably a guy who is about to throw a smoke bomb and shoot up the place since that happens so often ::)
thats besides the point, you dont pay you dont play , fuck off and buy a ticket
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guess the colo... oh wait it wasn't gang activity
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We've landed on the moon!!
Set the Delorean to 88mph!!
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guess the colo... oh wait it wasn't gang activity
I try to stay out of Aurora..
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Wasn't Wayne's World set in Aurora?
I hope Garth is okay.
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Old news, posted on other thread a while back
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Old news, posted on other thread a while back
Totally gnarly
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Old Titanic-news
Posted here already
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=431858.75
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:o
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What the fuck is up with that white bitch in the back :-\ :-\ :-\
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"Hey, did you hear the one about the 22 yo black guy with the circa 2002 facial hair and my mom the I-70 trucker? I showed his brother my juicy thighs then friendzoned that fat geek. None shall recover. Also, Pantene for silky smoothness cuz I'll totally endorse that shit now that I'm all Paris. Also it was like omg so sad. No, srsly."
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IT IS DESIGNED TO KILL PEOPLE! not animals but people. 20 rounds??
Really? Cause my grandfather has a .22 hunting rifle that holds 15 rounds. Not a huge difference between that an an .223 (M16/AR15) with a magazine that holds 20 rounds, is there?
Youre not even talking about the rifle, youre talking about the size of the magazine. (Of which there are many different capacities)
Id be interested if you could actually explain to me how they are designed to kill people, rather than just kill.
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He's a Pokemon? ???
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When he gets to CDC he will get pokey'd,mon..
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Looks like an ex poster from here.
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EYES TOO FAR APART OR TOO CLOSE IN SPELL TROUBLE,,,
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I think I read on CBS news that this nut also painted his hair red. You could be on to something.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/was-the-denver-shooter-dressed-like-bane-2012-7
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WARNING!
this footage contains graphic images
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we landed on the moon
E
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would have loved to break every bone in his body between rounds. Oh man...
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Looks like an ex poster from here.
Probably didn't make a list
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This person is a horrific piece of shit. He should be given the death penalty.
X2
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Probably didn't make a list
No worries - will inform Dr. Fist asap.
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His Daddy probably didn't buy him a pony when he was younger.
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man im not gonna dispute this one i knew he was white the second i heard.
it doesnt matter what color has the shooter as long he s not black
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FBI said he has a song playing in his apartment and its on repeat and playing loudly , its driving them nutz not being able to skip to the next track, they have yet to say what song is playing
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Okay, Okay, I get it, it's old news that was posted less than 24 hours ago!
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Really? Cause my grandfather has a .22 hunting rifle that holds 15 rounds. Not a huge difference between that an an .223 (M16/AR15) with a magazine that holds 20 rounds, is there?
Youre not even talking about the rifle, youre talking about the size of the magazine. (Of which there are many different capacities)
Id be interested if you could actually explain to me how they are designed to kill people, rather than just kill.
I cant explain to you the products of your former profession sir. But I do know deer dont hang out in groups of 20.
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shit makes my blood boil.
movie theaters are violent enough, with enough morons out there, meaning you're gonna need a concealed weapon just in case of the random prick.
i would have loved to see this story end with two or three people in the crowd capping this shooter.
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shit makes my blood boil.
movie theaters are violent enough, with enough morons out there, meaning you're gonna need a concealed weapon just in case of the random prick.
i would have loved to see this story end with two or three people in the crowd capping this shooter.
Dude had on bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, etc.
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WARNING!
this footage contains graphic images
Nothing graphic in there you tool. Go back and dye your hair!
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that's not mark zuckerberg
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Dude had on bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, etc.
Like the old saying goes:
"There's no armor too thick or protection too great - there's only too small a weapon"
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Dude had on bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, etc.
damn. fucked up.
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Dude had on bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, etc.
Wont stop a round to the t-box, now will it?
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Dude had on bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, etc.
Mozambique drill:
double tap in the sternum
one in the head
result
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I almost did the same thing the last time I was at a movie and the turd burglar working the popcorn stand tried to go light on the butter.
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I almost did the same thing the last time I was at a movie and the turd burglar working the popcorn stand tried to go light on the butter.
On a completely unrelated note, if you are indeed a chiropractor or studying to become one then you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
Quack.
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JUST ANOTHER DAY IN AMERICA
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Les oxygen
This!
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No shit, I have a bddy(who's black) and we talk about this. If its some sort of serial killer, child molester, it's a whiteboy. If its ghetto shoot outs, or flashmob, it's black.
Interracial friendship of peace.
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Mozambique drill:
double tap in the sternum
one in the head
result
We called the failure drills, and it was either 2 in the chest 1 in the head, or 2 in the chest 1 in the groin.
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I guessed this would be the case
James Holmes Claims to be 'Enemy of Batman': Police Say
"James Holmes, the suspected Colorado movie mass murderer at "The Dark Knight Rises" midnight premiere, was a college dropout and before going on the killing spree, he dyed his brown hair red as a tribute to Batman's arch-nemesis the Joker, according to reports.
http://www.franchiseherald.com/articles/1902/20120720/james-holmes-auror-shooting-the-dark-knight-rises-denver-post-photo.htm#hrbArMwlC1Cm71m3.99
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Whats really screwed up is this girl who died, narrowly avoided a shooting a month ago in Toronto by mere 3 minutes. The killer was entering the food court as she was leaving.
And now she dies here.
(http://i.imgur.com/BsF9I.jpg)
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/
http://www.jordanghawi.com/denver-theatre-shooting-jessica-ghawi/
From her Brother:
1015 (local): This is what I have been told by Brent, who was with my sister at the time of the shooting. This will be the only statement that I will make on the events surrounding what appears to be her death.
Jessica and Brent were seated in the middle portion of the theatre when a device was thrown into the theatre that produced a “hissing” sound. The theatre than began to fill with smoke which is when patrons began to move from their seats. At that time, shots were fired. Brent and Jessica immediately dropped to a prone position for cover. Jessica advised multiple times for someone to call 911, which Brent immediately attempted to do. Brent then heard Jessica scream and noticed that she was struck by a round in the leg. Brent, began holding pressure on the wound and attempted to calm Jessica. It was at this time that Brent took a round to his lower extremities. While still administering first aid, Brent noticed that Jessica was no longer screaming. He advised that he looked over to Jessica and saw what appeared to be an entry wound to her head. He further stated that Jessica presented with agonal respirations. Brent then took what may have been his only chance to escape the line of fire and exited the structure where he then contacted my mother. Brent’s actions are nothing but heroic. The veracity of any other statements not issued by myself or Peter Burns should be questioned.
1055 (local): I have yet to be contacted directly from Aurora PD. After getting the runaround from APD, I was able to speak with someone within the department who states that the deceased have yet to been identified.
1118 (local): Have established a media “base camp” to act as a family PIO with Peter Burns in LoDo.
1227 (local): Have received word from the coroner’s office that Jessica has indeed died of injuries sustained in the shooting.
1315 (local): Established a temporary base camp at the local NBC affiliate with Peter Burns. Going to continue to give interviews until the victims names are remembered and not the coward of a shooter.
1405 (local): For those of you who may not know, my sister was also involved in the mass shooting at the Eaton Centre mall a little over one month ago. Her thoughts on the incident can be read here: http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/
Also, to show what type of person she was:
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Shit's like the move Final Destination
Whats really screwed up is this girl who died, narrowly avoided a shooting a month ago in Toronto by mere 3 minutes. The killer was entering the food court as she was leaving.
And now she dies here.
(http://i.imgur.com/BsF9I.jpg)
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/
http://www.jordanghawi.com/denver-theatre-shooting-jessica-ghawi/
From her Brother:
1015 (local): This is what I have been told by Brent, who was with my sister at the time of the shooting. This will be the only statement that I will make on the events surrounding what appears to be her death.
Jessica and Brent were seated in the middle portion of the theatre when a device was thrown into the theatre that produced a “hissing” sound. The theatre than began to fill with smoke which is when patrons began to move from their seats. At that time, shots were fired. Brent and Jessica immediately dropped to a prone position for cover. Jessica advised multiple times for someone to call 911, which Brent immediately attempted to do. Brent then heard Jessica scream and noticed that she was struck by a round in the leg. Brent, began holding pressure on the wound and attempted to calm Jessica. It was at this time that Brent took a round to his lower extremities. While still administering first aid, Brent noticed that Jessica was no longer screaming. He advised that he looked over to Jessica and saw what appeared to be an entry wound to her head. He further stated that Jessica presented with agonal respirations. Brent then took what may have been his only chance to escape the line of fire and exited the structure where he then contacted my mother. Brent’s actions are nothing but heroic. The veracity of any other statements not issued by myself or Peter Burns should be questioned.
1055 (local): I have yet to be contacted directly from Aurora PD. After getting the runaround from APD, I was able to speak with someone within the department who states that the deceased have yet to been identified.
1118 (local): Have established a media “base camp” to act as a family PIO with Peter Burns in LoDo.
1227 (local): Have received word from the coroner’s office that Jessica has indeed died of injuries sustained in the shooting.
1315 (local): Established a temporary base camp at the local NBC affiliate with Peter Burns. Going to continue to give interviews until the victims names are remembered and not the coward of a shooter.
1405 (local): For those of you who may not know, my sister was also involved in the mass shooting at the Eaton Centre mall a little over one month ago. Her thoughts on the incident can be read here: http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/
Also, to show what type of person she was:
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Stupid fuck also trip wired his apartment. Claimed that he was the "Joker" ::) People can't even go to the movies anymore. That guy should be tortured slowly.
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Whats really screwed up is this girl who died, narrowly avoided a shooting a month ago in Toronto by mere 3 minutes. The killer was entering the food court as she was leaving.
And now she dies here.
(http://i.imgur.com/BsF9I.jpg)
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/
http://www.jordanghawi.com/denver-theatre-shooting-jessica-ghawi/
From her Brother:
1015 (local): This is what I have been told by Brent, who was with my sister at the time of the shooting. This will be the only statement that I will make on the events surrounding what appears to be her death.
Jessica and Brent were seated in the middle portion of the theatre when a device was thrown into the theatre that produced a “hissing” sound. The theatre than began to fill with smoke which is when patrons began to move from their seats. At that time, shots were fired. Brent and Jessica immediately dropped to a prone position for cover. Jessica advised multiple times for someone to call 911, which Brent immediately attempted to do. Brent then heard Jessica scream and noticed that she was struck by a round in the leg. Brent, began holding pressure on the wound and attempted to calm Jessica. It was at this time that Brent took a round to his lower extremities. While still administering first aid, Brent noticed that Jessica was no longer screaming. He advised that he looked over to Jessica and saw what appeared to be an entry wound to her head. He further stated that Jessica presented with agonal respirations. Brent then took what may have been his only chance to escape the line of fire and exited the structure where he then contacted my mother. Brent’s actions are nothing but heroic. The veracity of any other statements not issued by myself or Peter Burns should be questioned.
1055 (local): I have yet to be contacted directly from Aurora PD. After getting the runaround from APD, I was able to speak with someone within the department who states that the deceased have yet to been identified.
1118 (local): Have established a media “base camp” to act as a family PIO with Peter Burns in LoDo.
1227 (local): Have received word from the coroner’s office that Jessica has indeed died of injuries sustained in the shooting.
1315 (local): Established a temporary base camp at the local NBC affiliate with Peter Burns. Going to continue to give interviews until the victims names are remembered and not the coward of a shooter.
1405 (local): For those of you who may not know, my sister was also involved in the mass shooting at the Eaton Centre mall a little over one month ago. Her thoughts on the incident can be read here: http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/
Also, to show what type of person she was:
Unbelievable the realities one has to deal with in your country.
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Red hair ??? ??? Where was his Nurse outfit
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I also want to say (I have yet to read the thread yet) Fuck all of the stupid assholes that tried to make a joke out of this.
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Unbelievable the realities one has to deal with in your country.
Ignorant fuck.
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Ignorant fuck.
Be quiet, boy.
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Unbelievable the realities one has to deal with in your country.
Toronto is in America? ???
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Toronto is in America? ???
Well, it is in NORTH America.
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bunch of kids on here. seen of course action... ::)
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He was more Bill Williamson from the movie Rampage then THE JOKER
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All those Batmans sitting there in the theater and not one of the could have stopped him? Should have threw on batvision to see through the smoke, zipped up to the nearest gargoyle statue then dangle patiently waiting for the shooter come within reach and then... BOOM! tie him up and let him squirm while hanging from the gargoyle. When its over, then glide back into the seat resuming enjoyment of movie.
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Im actually pretty suprised not one person tried to do something. Usually in that scenario, there is at least one person that would be able to do something while he was distracted. In this case, it couldnt hurt, even if he just tackled the guy.
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All those Batmans sitting there in the theater and not one of the could have stopped him? Should have threw on batvision to see through the smoke, zipped up to the nearest gargoyle statue then dangle patiently waiting for the shooter come within reach and then... BOOM! tie him up and let him squirm while hanging from the gargoyle. When its over, then glide back into the seat resuming enjoyment of movie.
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Im actually pretty suprised not one person tried to do something. Usually in that scenario, there is at least one person that would be able to do something while he was distracted. In this case, it couldnt hurt, even if he just tackled the guy.
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Would it be that hard to install metal detectors at the movies. Maybe they should have an armed cops at all theaters for huge movie openings such as this. We live in times where are taxpayer dollars should be spent on worthwhile shit, like protecting us.
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Would it be that hard to install metal detectors at the movies. Maybe they should have an armed cops at all theaters for huge movie openings such as this. We live in times where are taxpayer dollars should be spent on worthwhile shit, like protecting us.
that's a smart idea, only he came thru the back emergency door
Would this Armed Cop be only for Action SuperHero MOvies? or kids movies too like the lion king and Toy Story?? ???
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End of problem
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Movie Goer of Peace!
You gotta love Americas freedom! Greatest country in the world! Can't even go to the movies anymore - terrific country! :o
For such a free country, sure are a lot of lunatics ready to shoot the shit out of everyone! Isn't it great being a civilian to the Superpower!
Just download the movie, good argument for torrenting - Your Honour I downloaded the movie because I was scared of getting shot at the movies!
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Im actually pretty suprised not one person tried to do something. Usually in that scenario, there is at least one person that would be able to do something while he was distracted. In this case, it couldnt hurt, even if he just tackled the guy.
I have noticed in america many proclaim to be like charlie bronson, the truth is most are more like, well....lets just say afraid of getting sued.
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that's a smart idea, only he came thru the back emergency door
Would this Armed Cop be only for Action SuperHero MOvies? or kids movies too like the lion king and Toy Story?? ???
I mean multiple armed cops. A few in the front, and a few covering various entry points. The overtime would be well worth it. These summer blockbusters attract hundreds of people every couple of hours at one central location. Shouldn't the movies be more protected?
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I mean multiple armed cops. A few in the front, and a few covering various entry points. The overtime would be well worth it.
Why not just let every citizen protect themselves... If I had been there with my CCW, there would have been a lot less deaths.
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Why not just let every citizen protect themselves... If I had been there with my CCW, there would have been a lot less deaths.
oh!! we got charlie in the house.
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You're just what was missing from this thread, shithead.
If there is one person i would enjoy knowing was shot dead, it is this asshole.
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oh!! we got charlie in the house.
What are you talking about?
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Why not just let every citizen protect themselves... If I had been there with my CCW, there would have been a lot less deaths.
Cops need to step their game up. Switch the focus from stupid fucking traffic violations, to heavy traffic areas in a given city. The mall, Movies, sporting events etc.... Too many people in one place can spell disaster. Who gives a fuck about someone going 10 over the speed limit!
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If he just managed to get laid and was accepted and talked to during his stint in medical school, none of this would have happened.
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HA HA Barack Obama said "We will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another."
Coming from a mass murderer like Obama who is responsible for hundreds of thousands of human murders and spends every Tuesday deciding who he would like to kill next operating off a government "kill list," has been personally directing who should be targeted for death by military drones (unmanned aerial assault vehicles) from tens of thousands of miles away. And then watches the whole thing with his cronies.
Just seems odd, that a mass murderer like Obama is questioning why people take the lives of others.
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HA HA Barack Obama said "We will never know fully what causes somebody to take the live of another."
Coming from a mass murderer like Obama who is responsible for hundreds of thoudsnds of human casualties and spends every Tuesday deciding who he would like to kill next operating off a government "kill list," has been personally directing who should be targeted for death by military drones (unmanned aerial assault vehicles)from tens of thousands of miles away. And then watches the whole thing with his cronies.
Just seems odd, that a mass murderer like Obama is questioning why people take the lives of others.
You aren't even American. You don't have the right to talk about our country.
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Cops need to step their game up. Switch the focus from stupid fucking traffic violations, to heavy traffic areas in a given city. The mall, Movies, sporting events etc.... Too many people in one place can spell disaster. Who gives a fuck about someone going 10 over the speed limit!
I don't disagree with you, but there's no MONEY in stopping those people... traffic violations and dumb shit is where the MONEY is at.
There are VERY VERY few times when this kind of shit happens, so it's not a money maker.
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This is why you need gun control, you can't compete with crazy they will always have the leading edge.
Guns are impulsive weapons by nature, crazy people are impulsive, it's a simple situation.
Anyhow I hope this shooting makes it easier to get tickets tonight. ;D
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This is why you need gun control, you can't compete with crazy they will always have the leading edge.
Guns are impulsive weapons by nature, crazy people are impulsive, it's a simple situation.
Anyhow I hope this shooting makes it easier to get tickets tonight. ;D
Kill yourself.
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HA HA Barack Obama said "We will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another."
Coming from a mass murderer like Obama who is responsible for hundreds of thousands of human casualties and spends every Tuesday deciding who he would like to kill next operating off a government "kill list," has been personally directing who should be targeted for death by military drones (unmanned aerial assault vehicles) from tens of thousands of miles away. And then watches the whole thing with his cronies.
Just seems odd, that a mass murderer like Obama is questioning why people take the lives of others.
You aren't even American. You don't have the right to talk about our country.
Ha Ha Americans are such cry babies when the truth of their Country and it's leaders are exposed, the level of hypocrisy in the USA is ridiculous.
Land of the free, home of the brave! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Where are all the USA Nut Huggers now claiming how great America is, oh that's right, there lying in pools of their own blood, wearing a ridiculous comic book costume at the local cinema!
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This is why you need gun control, you can't compete with crazy they will always have the leading edge.
Guns are impulsive weapons by nature, crazy people are impulsive, it's a simple situation.
Anyhow I hope this shooting makes it easier to get tickets tonight. ;D
Gun control won't do shit. Do you think a nutjob like this couldn't find some black market guns if he had to?
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Ha Ha Americans are such cry babies when the truth of their Country and it's leders are exposed, the level of hypocrisy in the USA is ridiculous.
Land of the free, home of the brave! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Where are all the USA Nut Huggers now claiming how great America is, oh that's right, there lying in pools of their own blood, wearing a ridiculous comic book costume at the local cinema!
No, youre correct, crazy murderers dont exist anywhere else. ::)
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Ha Ha Americans are such cry babies when the truth of their Country and it's leders are exposed, the level of hypocrisy in the USA is ridiculous.
Land of the free, home of the brave! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Where are all the USA Nut Huggers now claiming how great America is, oh that's right, there lying in pools of their own blood, wearing a ridiculous comic book costume at the local cinema!
Why do you hate yourself so much? I wouldn't make jokes about a tragedy that happened in Australia. Wtf is wrong with you.
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yeah, lets not forget about the oslo case WHERE THE KILLER HAPPENED TO US AN AK47.. the weapon makes a difference, he took out like 80 people.
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No, youre correct, crazy murderers dont exist anywhere else. ::)
No... They certainly don't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
;)
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Gun control won't do shit. Do you think a nutjob like this couldn't find some black market guns if he had to?
In theory yes stastically no, even if he had to settle with a sub par weapon the death count could be reduced. The fact that he might have to try slightly harder might of made him track able by the authorities.
We live in a society where everyone's single move is tracked by gps, and we refuse to have better tracking on guns it makes no sense.
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this is much more then a simple evil empire case ekul.
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In theory yes stastically no, even if he had to settle with a sub par weapon the death count could be reduced. The fact that he might have to try slightly harder might of made him track able by the authorities.
We live in a society where everyone's single move is tracked by gps, and we refuse to have better tracking on guns it makes no sense.
Yes, but a case like this makes no sense either. The guy had no record at all, except 1 speeding ticket over a year old. What kind of gun control are you talking about? Not letting the general public carry at all?
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In theory yes stastically no, even if he had to settle with a sub par weapon the death count could be reduced. The fact that he might have to try slightly harder might of made him track able by the authorities.
We live in a society where everyone's single move is tracked by gps, and we refuse to have better tracking on guns it makes no sense.
Really? Those who would give up their liberty for security deserve neither.
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Why do you hate yourself so much? I wouldn't make jokes about a tragedy that happened in Australia. Wtf is wrong with you.
If you are stupid enough to live in a fucked up Country like the USA a country responsible for millions of deaths worldwide, well, you gotta expect a little karma to come back your way! It's ironic that your consumerist petty lifestyles have come to this! Fuck those idiots, trolling backwards and forwards to the crappy entertainment your Government distracts you with! Maybe if people had a life instead of lapping up the latest distraction your Government has cooked up, they wouldn't be dead right now! Fuck America and the average idiot, always carrying on about what a great place it is, yet you risk being killed going to school, to the movies and pretty much anywhere else you travel in the great land that is the States! I no longer have any pity for the murderous USA, if you are stupid enough to stay living there, well you all know what to expect!
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If you are stupid enough to live in a fucked up Country like the USA a country responsible for millions of deaths worldwide, well, you gotta expect a little karma to come back your way! It's ironic that your consumerist petty lifestyles have come to this! Fuck those idiots, trolling backwards and forwards to the crappy entertainment your Government distracts you with! Maybe if people had a life instead of lapping up the latest distraction your Government has cooked up, they wouldn't be dead right now! Fuck America and the average idiot, always carrying on about what a great place it is, yet you risk being killed going to school, to the movies and pretty much anywhere else you travel in the great land that is the States! I no longer have any pity for the murderous USA, if you are stupid enough to stay living there, well you all know what to expect!
Jesus! Dude you need some help man. I'm serious. Only fucking nutcases of the highest caliber, talk/think the way you do.
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Didn`t some asswipe in Australia go bananas and kill about 30 people just a few years ago?
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Yes, but a case like this makes no sense either. The guy had no record at all, except 1 speeding ticket over a year old. What kind of gun control are you talking about? Not letting the general public carry at all?
Simple restrict the number of guns, making guns more costly, less easy to sell, better tracking, it's not a complicated theory. Even if it's only a 30 percent decrease in the number of deaths I'd think that's more than an acceptable improvement.
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Cops need to step their game up. Switch the focus from stupid fucking traffic violations, to heavy traffic areas in a given city. The mall, Movies, sporting events etc.... Too many people in one place can spell disaster. Who gives a fuck about someone going 10 over the speed limit!
true..or more cops like this around:
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cars kill thousands more than guns do.
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cars kill thousands more than guns do.
Yeah and that's why car companies spend billions on safety, you can't remove a hazard, you can only decrease the chance of it happening.
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Jesus! Dude you need some help man. I'm serious. Only fucking nutcases of the highest caliber, talk/think the way you do.
HA HA, I'm the nutcase, you have a president asking what motivates people to kill each other - well if anybody should know, it's him! You can't live in a country that has absolutely no value for human life other than American life, and expect the rest of the world to give a fuck about your losses. Other people just treat you the way the States treats the rest of the world! The suffering created in America by your Lone Wolf types is nothing compared to the suffering the States imposes on the rest of the world!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
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cars kill thousands more than guns do.
but cars also serve a huge social function - society would do just fine with no guns!
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Why do you hate yourself so much? I wouldn't make jokes about a tragedy that happened in Australia. Wtf is wrong with you.
E kule is just resigned to the fact that everyone here hates his guts...so he plays up the "heel" role...nothing original here
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If you are stupid enough to live in a fucked up Country like the USA a country responsible for millions of deaths worldwide, well, you gotta expect a little karma to come back your way! It's ironic that your consumerist petty lifestyles have come to this! Fuck those idiots, trolling backwards and forwards to the crappy entertainment your Government distracts you with! Maybe if people had a life instead of lapping up the latest distraction your Government has cooked up, they wouldn't be dead right now! Fuck America and the average idiot, always carrying on about what a great place it is, yet you risk being killed going to school, to the movies and pretty much anywhere else you travel in the great land that is the States! I no longer have any pity for the murderous USA, if you are stupid enough to stay living there, well you all know what to expect!
with interpol around these days your gona have a knock at your door and it wont be pretty.
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HA HA, I'm the nutcase, you have a president asking what motivates people to kill each other - well if anybody should know, it's him! You can't live in a country that has absolutely no value for human life other than American life, and expect the rest of the world to give a fuck about your losses. Other people just treat you the way the States treats the rest of the world! The suffering created in America by your Lone Wolf types is nothing compared to the suffering the States imposes on the rest of the world!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
I just wish you had been in Colorado to see the midnight opening of Batman. I think I might buy a pitbull now.
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with interpol around these days your gona have a knock at your door and it wont be pretty.
For what, not caring about a few people being murdered by a lunatic, yet your country kills millions overseas - what a joke you Americans are! Imposing your will on others - what, now the rest of the world needs to give a fuck about your tragedies while you ignore the rest of the worlds - fuck that! If it's a crime to hate America - then I'm guilty as charged!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
My priority is worrying about the millions of innocents the USA kills and not some fat brainwashed Americans trolling of to the cinema to watch some make believe while stuffing there fat greedy faces!
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This is why you need gun control, you can't compete with crazy they will always have the leading edge.
Guns are impulsive weapons by nature, crazy people are impulsive, it's a simple situation.
Anyhow I hope this shooting makes it easier to get tickets tonight. ;D
that wont matter, as long as OPERATION "FAST AND FURIOUS" are around, the US Gov. will give away ar-15 firearms to criminals gladly
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Yeah and that's why car companies spend billions on safety, you can't remove a hazard, you can only decrease the chance of it happening.
Reality is that you are far more likely to be killed by some idiot texting and driving than anything to do with firearms.
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that wont matter, as long as OPERATION "FAST AND FURIOUS" are around, the US Gov. will give away ar-15 firearms to criminals gladly
He wasn't a criminal asshat.
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yeah, lets not forget about the oslo case WHERE THE KILLER HAPPENED TO US AN AK47.. the weapon makes a difference, he took out like 80 people.
Drugs are also banned and illegal, i bet no matter how hard you try, NO WAY IN HELL you can buy drugs in america , no way that shit ever makes it past our boarders
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Reality is that you are far more likely to be killed by some idiot texting and driving than anything to do with firearms.
Tell that to little Timmy who wanted to see Batman. He is now lying on a slab. Truth is, that could have happened to any theater in any country. I just hope that they start looking at places like the movies, and schools with the same intensity as they now do with airports.
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Reality is that you are far more likely to be killed by some idiot texting and driving than anything to do with firearms.
No shit sherlock, yet governments still make a major effort in most places to ban texting while driving.
By the end of the decade, there'll be gps tracking on all new cars on the road, to prevent injury, fuel wastage, and to help with traffic management.
It makes no sense to make zero and I mean zero effort on the part of gun control, just because a bunch of yahoo's wanna "feel" safe.
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He wasn't a criminal asshat.
exactly, Only Criminals Carry weapons, Innocent people die, until the cops drop the donuts and finally make it out to tape off the carnage
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For what, not caring about a few people being murdered by a lunatic, yet your country kills millions overseas - what a joke you Americans are!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
My priority is worrying about the millions of innocents the USA kills and not some fat brainwashed Americans trolling of to the cinema to watch some make believe!
Please clarify....you are "LOLOLOL"-ing over the fact a six year old girl going to see a movie has been shot to death?
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Drugs are also banned and illegal, i bet no matter how hard you try, NO WAY IN HELL you can buy drugs in america , no way that shit ever makes it past our boarders
But it costs alot of money, virtually everyone, I've ever met that quit coke did so because, they couldn't afford it/it became harder to find.
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exactly, Only Criminals Carry weapons, Innocent people die, until the cops drop the donuts and finally make it out to tape off the carnage
I agree that they need to allow cops to do more. Let the cameras mail in the tickects. We need the cops posted up in high traffic (people not cars) areas.
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No shit sherlock, yet governments still make a major effort in most places to ban texting while driving.
By the end of the decade, there'll be gps tracking on all new cars on the road, to prevent injury, fuel wastage, and to help with traffic management.
It makes no sense to make zero and I mean zero effort on the part of gun control, just because a bunch of yahoo's wanna "feel" safe.
spoken like a true pussy.
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Please clarify....you are "LOLOLOL"-ing over the fact a six year old girl going to see a movie has been shot to death?
Groink, I would trade any one of those people killed for E-kul. Alot of roadkill as well.
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But it costs alot of money, virtually everyone, I've ever met that quit coke did so because, they couldn't afford it/it became harder to find.
LOLOL.....coke is hard to find ? where the fuck do you live ?
I'm 47 and i could have a eightball in my hands in less than an hour for 140 bucks... something tells me you aren't exactly one of the "cool kids"..are you?
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Please clarify....you are "LOLOLOL"-ing over the fact a six year old girl going to see a movie has been shot to death?
I'm laughing at your countries hypocrisy, especially your Leaders, claiming they don't know why people kill each other - The denial must be immense to make such a statement, yet the whole world knows the level of mass murder the USA participates in - it's a tragedy that innocent American children get murdered, I just don't care, the same way the average American couldn't care less about the victims it creates overseas, no different - you are hypocrites to feign concern of a child killed at the cinema, yet not give one fuck about the thousands of children killed by your government! it appears only American life is worthy of consideration!, The States is such an evil place, end if you choose to reside in a place where lone gunmen regularly go on shooting sprees, well you can't act surprised. This shit is common over there! You want to live in a free country - you know what to expect! All you freaks regularly crap on about how everybody wants to live there, what a joke, you couldn't pay me to live in an evil empire like America.
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LOLOL.....coke is hard to find ? where the fuck do you live ?
I'm 47 and i could have a eightball in my hands in less than an hour for 140 bucks... something tells me you aren't exactly one of the "cool kids"..are you?
140 ??? I can get it fronted for free if I wanted to. Couldn't be done where I live 5 years ago, and it's all because there's more of it around.
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spoken like a true pussy.
There has to be a happy medium though. You can't have a place where everyone carries. It would be like the fucking wild west all over again. The epic gunfight at the "Golden Corral"
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I'm laughing at your countries hypocrisy, especially your Leaders, claiming they don't know why people kill each other - The denial must be immense to make such a statement, yet the whole world knows the level of mass murder the USA participates in - it's a tragedy that innocent American children get murdered, I just don't care, the same way the average American couldn't care less about the victims it creates overseas, no different - you are hypocrites to feign concern of a child killed at the cinema, yet not give one fuck about the thousands of children killed by your government! it appears only American life is worthy of consideration!, The States is such an evil place, end if you choose to reside in a place where lone gunmen regularly go on shooting sprees, well you can't act surprised. This shit is common over there! You want to live in a free country - you know what to expect! All you freaks regularly crap on about how everybody wants to live there, what a joke, you couldn't pay me to live in an evil empire like America.
Isn't Australia one of our allies? STFU.
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For what, not caring about a few people being murdered by a lunatic, yet your country kills millions overseas - what a joke you Americans are! Imposing your will on others - what, now the rest of the world needs to give a fuck about your tragedies while you ignore the rest of the worlds - fuck that! If it's a crime to hate America - then I'm guilty as charged!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
My priority is worrying about the millions of innocents the USA kills and not some fat brainwashed Americans trolling of to the cinema to watch some make believe while stuffing there fat greedy faces!
you are really lost in some grandios delusion, first off im Canadian, second people here generally are unfimiliar with what their govt does abroad, baby boomers do because they had vietnam and the media showed them, that doesnt happen today. But I think your just here to antagonize and belittle to make yourself feel superior for what ever reason, its a bit annoying now. I would say your malignant narcissist.
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I would say your malignant narcissist.
Thanks Dr Phil!
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Thanks Dr Phil!
(http://biscuette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/vicious_pitbull.jpg)
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Isn't Australia one of our allies? STFU.
Not because the average citizen wants to be - our politicians are puppets to the arseholes in the whitehouse - lots of Australians hate Americans, just like the rest of the world hates America.
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Thanks Dr Phil!
its dr.head, bighead baby.
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Thanks Dr Phil!
Do you like anything about America? What makes you hate us so much? I want real answers not war or government propoganda.
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yeah, lets not forget about the oslo case WHERE THE KILLER HAPPENED TO US AN AK47.. the weapon makes a difference, he took out like 80 people.
Was the weapon legal or illegal?
An AK is not an AK, there are 2 versions, the civilian semi auto version, and the military full auto version.
Youre not going to kill 80 people here with a semi-auto AK before someone shoots you back.
Its not like youre trying to make it out to be, like these horrible AR's are somehow super powered guns - they arent.
You cannot get a fully automatic weapon here without a class 3 license, something people dont seem to understand.
The real deadly weapons are already fairly well controlled.
Whats really funny is that this guy wasnt operating legally anyway, he had body armor, helmet, explosives, its not like this dude would give a fuck if the firearm was legal or not, gun control in this case wouldnt have done shit.
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Not because the average citizen wants to be - our politicians are puppets to the arseholes in the whitehouse - lots of Australians hate Americans, just like the rest of the world hates America.
Yet you secretly copy most of our culture. Like most countries.
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his weapons were legally baught and could fire 100 rounds
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HA HA HA, your attempts at intimidation are laughable - funny how you guys pick and choose who to give a fuck about and who not to, the fact is the average American is an evil C_unt who pretends to give a fuck, when in reality they are just overfed, ignorant eating and shitting machines who are nothing more than oxygen thieves, who the rest of the world wouldn't miss if a great big nuke was dropped on the country!
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But it costs alot of money, virtually everyone, I've ever met that quit coke did so because, they couldn't afford it/it became harder to find.
Bullshit. Do you know anything, or do you just speak out of your ass on every topic you jump into?
You try to talk like you know something, but everything you said in this thread has been flat fucking wrong.
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his weapons were legally baught and could fire 100 rounds
Ok, so he had an AK with a drum mag, you never answered whether it was an automatic weapon or not.
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his weapons were legally baught and could fire 100 rounds
the colorado guy that is , sorry
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HA HA HA, your attempts at intimidation are laughable - funny how you guys pick and choose who to give a fuck about and who not to, the fact is the average American is an evil C_unt who pretends to give a fuck, when in reality they are just overfed, ignorant eating and shitting machines who are nothing more than oxygen thieves, who the rest of the world wouldn't miss if a great big nuke was dropped on the country!
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the colorado guy that is , sorry
Gotcha.
So he bought an AK, and then bought a drum magazine for it.
Think about this for a second, if the weapon was so deadly like it was in Oslo, why was he only able to kill 10 people with a weapon that had 100 rounds?
And you said the Oslo guy shot how many? 80?
He could have shot and killed 10 people with a Glock with an extended magazine.
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HA HA HA, your attempts at intimidation are laughable - funny how you guys pick and choose who to give a fuck about and who not to, the fact is the average American is an evil C_unt who pretends to give a fuck, when in reality they are just overfed, ignorant eating and shitting machines who are nothing more than oxygen thieves, who the rest of the world wouldn't miss if a great big nuke was dropped on the country!
And you think anyone would give a fuck if Australia was wiped off the map? No one would notice, and quite a few here would celebrate your death.
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And you think anyone would give a fuck if Australia was wiped off the map? No one would notice, and quite a few here would celebrate your death.
Lol, you are taking the bait my friend. I don't care if a nutcase like E-kul dies, but I do care if we stop getting Nutella.
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LOLOL.....coke is hard to find ? where the fuck do you live ?
I'm 47 and i could have a eightball in my hands in less than an hour for 140 bucks... something tells me you aren't exactly one of the "cool kids"..are you?
No, once he got called out, now he can get an 8ball fronted to him, lololol.
Notice he never mentioned how much it would cost him, he had to toss out "fronted for free" to sound cool, when he doesnt even understand what "fronted" means. Fucking lol.
LOLOLOL
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yeah I guess, I dont know much about arenal wepons, ive shot 30-30s and magnums for hunting 3 ina clip. I think legal max is 6.
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Lol, you are taking the bait my friend. I don't care if a nutcase like E-kul dies, but I do care if we stop getting Nutella.
I know he's trolling, it just makes me lol that his jab is "no one would care if you die", his attacks are pathetically stupid.
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yeah I guess, I dont know much about arenal wepons, ive shot 30-30s and magnums for hunting 3 ina clip. I think legal max is 6.
Canada's rules im assuming?
There is rules regarding the ammo capacity of the rifles when youre actually hunting for sport here, but there are plenty of standard rifles that have almost the same capacity as the magazines assault rifles use.
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Lets take this time to reflect. We really don't know when our time is up. Certainly those victims of the Colo. tragedy didn't think that going to a Batman movie would prove fatal. I just want to say that I hold no ill will towards anyone on this site. It's really not worth it in the end. ;)
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For what, not caring about a few people being murdered by a lunatic, yet your country kills millions overseas - what a joke you Americans are! Imposing your will on others - what, now the rest of the world needs to give a fuck about your tragedies while you ignore the rest of the worlds - fuck that! If it's a crime to hate America - then I'm guilty as charged!
Odd that the average American cares about the murder of a few people at a cinema but couldn't give a toss about the hundreds of thousands it murders around the world!
My priority is worrying about the millions of innocents the USA kills and not some fat brainwashed Americans trolling of to the cinema to watch some make believe while stuffing there fat greedy faces!
Your priority?
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FYI this was the weapon used in the Oslo massacre.
Ruger mini-14 firing the .223 round. Basically a glorified hunting rifle.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Mini14GB.jpg/800px-Mini14GB.jpg)
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No, once he got called out, now he can get an 8ball fronted to him, lololol.
Notice he never mentioned how much it would cost him, he had to toss out "fronted for free" to sound cool, when he doesnt even understand what "fronted" means. Fucking lol.
LOLOLOL
It's a fact numb nuts, i'm friends with liberal oddball/outcast hipsters is that reallly so hard to imagine ???
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HA HA HA, your attempts at intimidation are laughable - funny how you guys pick and choose who to give a fuck about and who not to, the fact is the average American is an evil C_unt who pretends to give a fuck, when in reality they are just overfed, ignorant eating and shitting machines who are nothing more than oxygen thieves, who the rest of the world wouldn't miss if a great big nuke was dropped on the country!
sounds like your describing yourself there, a useless windbag who spouts negativity.
.. it's too bad those pitbulls didn't kill you. i would enjoy the fact knowing you were brutally and painfully mauled to death, and you went out in agony.
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140 ??? I can get it fronted for free if I wanted to. Couldn't be done where I live 5 years ago, and it's all because there's more of it around.
Yes..... I'm sure you're just so cool that drug dealers just give their shit to you for free, over and over, and never ask for you to pay. ::)
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Yes..... I'm sure you're just so cool that drug dealers just give their shit to you for free, over and over, and never ask for you to pay. ::)
Come on the Getbig pleasure cruise with us Groink. It would be interesting to meet you in the "flesh".
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It's a fact numb nuts, i'm friends with liberal oddball/outcast hipsters is that reallly so hard to imagine ???
Fronted for free doesn't exist.
You either get it fronted, or you get it free. What you said makes no sense and makes it seem like you're trying to toss phrases out to make us believe you know what you're talking about
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Yes..... I'm sure you're just so cool that drug dealers just give their shit to you for free, over and over, and never ask for you to pay. ::)
I never said that I could get it for free, I said it was too easy for me to get it. Without paying up fornt, it has nothing to do with being cool, it's called knowing certain wierdo's and being trusted by certain wierdo's is that really a surprise to you? ???
Basic logic on impulse right now, I can get a 8 ball needing no money and no real searching, of course I gotta pay for it later. The point is just like with cars, homes or any other fucking product under the sun, if you can get it no money down, your far more likely to make use of such product.
This is such a non argument.
Gun's drugs whatever are products not a complicated situation.
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I never said that I could get it for free, I said it was too easy for me to get it. Without paying up fornt, it has nothing to do with being cool, it's called knowing certain wierdo's and being trusted by certain wierdo's is that really a surprise to you? ???
Basic logic on impulse right now, I can get a 8 ball needing no money and no real searching, of course I gotta pay for it later. The point is just like with cars, homes or any other fucking product under the sun, if you can get it no money down, your far more likely to make use of such product.
This is such a non argument.
Gun's drugs whatever are products not a complicated situation.
D.A.R.E.
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Just read this in a fortune cookie (took a half hour to get Chinese), "Society prepares the crime, the criminal commits it"
quite telling, our society prepared the crime---seeing a movie with violence, in which a dark character in body armor suit, defeats foes under the cover of darkness. And we love these types of movies (not saying I don't), our love for fantasy violence transcended into reality.
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Justcread this in a fortune cookie (took a half hour to get Chinese), "Society prepares the crime, the criminal commits it"
quite telling, our society prepared the crime---seeing a movie with violence, in which a dark character in body armor suit, defeats foes under the cover of darkness. And we love these types of movies (not saying I don't), our love for fantasy violence transcended into reality.
Maybe it calls for real-life vigilantes. Fucking eye for an eye. That guy should have never made it out of that place alive.
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Some kunt in a gas mask started shoting people at 12.30am during the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises :o
30-40 injured, 10 dead according to some reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492
christ, what a cunt. be great if just for once, instead of murdering ordinary people, twats like him would take out a shitload of politicians, or other fucks that think they're above than the rest of us.
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Awful news...Some people claim that the joker and anything related to it is cursed.
RIP the people who died. And lets all be thankful that this guy didn't decide to bring bombs with him into the movie theater. He could have blown the whole place up.
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Another CIA mind control success story
I thought the same thing. Colorado and West Virginia are two places that are flooded with people like this...Allegedly.
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I never said that I could get it for free, I said it was too easy for me to get it. Without paying up fornt, it has nothing to do with being cool, it's called knowing certain wierdo's and being trusted by certain wierdo's is that really a surprise to you? ???
Basic logic on impulse right now, I can get a 8 ball needing no money and no real searching, of course I gotta pay for it later. The point is just like with cars, homes or any other fucking product under the sun, if you can get it no money down, your far more likely to make use of such product.
This is such a non argument.
Gun's drugs whatever are products not a complicated situation.
NO....the fact that you are doing a complete 180 and contradicting your previous post doesn't surprise me at all ;)
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dont be so sure on that,in the uk gun possesion youll do 5 years in prison and one more for each bullet on you.
this does make people think twice.
but yeah, uk and usa are very different, in many aspects.
come on. This guy knew that he would either end up dead or in jail.
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Maybe it calls for real-life vigilantes. Fucking eye for an eye. That guy should have never made it out of that place alive.
Sadly there would be too many George Zimmermans---too many losers who want to make a name for themselves, too many self righteous lunatics who have a chip on their shoulder from being bullied in elementary school. Too many idiots who couldn't make it to be a cop, and got kicked out of BJJ classes at the local Y.
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nah he has a good point, out of the socalled civilised 1st world nations, usa is notorious for this kind of stuff.
breivik doesnt count imo.
I agree, but its his approach to "schooling" us [ekul is an acronym for ecole which is french for school] that is just abnoxious. He seems to enjoy reading his own posts and most are just regurgitation from different conspiracy theorys which are not all wrong neccessarily. He obviosly has no social skills.
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dont be so sure on that,in the uk gun possesion youll do 5 years in prison and one more for each bullet on you.
this does make people think twice.
but yeah, uk and usa are very different, in many aspects.
Gun bans DO NOT work and will NOT stop this type of violence. You think a guy who is planning on murdering a cinema full of people is worried about prison time? or if this is a ' gun free zone ' ?
guns aren't the problem , crazy people are.
and the UK has a gun-ban and stabbings are now through the roof
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Gun bans DO NOT work and will NOT stop this type of violence. You think a guy who is planning on murdering a cinema full of people is worried about prison time? or if this is a ' gun free zone ' ?
guns aren't the problem , crazy people are.
and the UK has a gun-ban and stabbings are now through the roof
Take the guns away and the crazies will find much more destructive ways of killing. Like explosives and shit. At least when the crazy has a gun, you have a chance. But no one is going to get away from strategically placed explosives.
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Take the guns away and the crazies will find much more destructive ways of killing. Like explosives and shit. At least when the crazy has a gun, you have a chance. But no one is going to get away from strategically placed explosives.
This is true. It will just force people to be more creative in their means of destruction.
The Seneca quote holds true “A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands”
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Gun control is certainly not a panacea. However, it should not be so easy to get so many guns and ammunition. For what purpose could a person possibly need all the weapons and ammunition he legally obtained?
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Gun control is certainly not a panacea. However, it should not be so easy to get so many guns and ammunition. For what purpose could a person possibly need all the weapons and ammunition he legally obtained?
Democracy? America fuck Yeah!!!!!!!!!!
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Gun control is certainly not a panacea. However, it should not be so easy to get so many guns and ammunition. For what purpose could a person possibly need all the weapons and ammunition he legally obtained?
Need has nothing to do with it. I own three AR15's two Glocks , a Sig , A Springfield XD and a AK47. I've owned guns now since 1998 and have done nothing but shoot paper
Just because someone has a bunch of guns doesn't mean their up to no good. And I shouldn't be limited to how many firearms I want to own because someone else doesn't see a ' need ' you're assuming that anyone with more firearms than what you think they need might be up to something and that's not accurate.
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Need has nothing to do with it. I own three AR15's two Glocks , a Sig , A Springfield XD and a AK47. I've owned guns now since 1998 and have done nothing but shoot paper
Just because someone has a bunch of guns doesn't mean their up to no good. And I shouldn't be limited to how many firearms I want to own because someone else doesn't see a ' need ' you're assuming that anyone with more firearms than what you think they need might be up to something and that's not accurate.
post reported to FBI :-[
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I agree, but its his approach to "schooling" us [ekul is an acronym for ecole which is french for school] that is just abnoxious. He seems to enjoy reading his own posts and most are just regurgitation from different conspiracy theorys which are not all wrong neccessarily. He obviosly has no social skills.
You haters wanna be mad at someone, hate your hypocritical government for creating a system that enables this type of behaviour, Your leaders lead the way with indiscriminate killing worldwide and then they pretend to be decent caring people. Funny how Obama pretends to care about children, yet regularly blows them away with drone strikes and shrugs his shoulders with an "Oh well, collateral damage blah blah blah" The fact is the American system is one of being selfish and dehumanising your fellow human beings, you all treat each other like shit and then wonder why someone snaps! Wanna get mad at someone, get mad at your leaders who have created a system that enables these things to happen! Try developing a culture of compassion and concern for your neighbours rather than sitting back pretending to care about the latest tragedy! Individuals who are treated with love and respect don't shoot up the whole village!
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Gun bans DO NOT work and will NOT stop this type of violence. You think a guy who is planning on murdering a cinema full of people is worried about prison time? or if this is a ' gun free zone ' ?
guns aren't the problem , crazy people are.
and the UK has a gun-ban and stabbings are now through the roof
It will help and is a start why do americans want to hold on to guns so much
if that guy had a knife he would have been stopped before he killed all those people......
if he didnt have a gun he couldnt shoot over a dozen people probably a pussy without those guns too...
so yes ND a putting a cap on guns WILL help
its not the wild west cowboys and indians anymore.. damn
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Take the guns away and the crazies will find much more destructive ways of killing. Like explosives and shit. At least when the crazy has a gun, you have a chance. But no one is going to get away from strategically placed explosives.
so its best to leave them with the guns.......??
:-\.... i love americans but it seem like a good portion of you guys will do ANYTHING to hold on to those guns.....
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NO....the fact that you are doing a complete 180 and contradicting your previous post doesn't surprise me at all ;)
you know what the fuck I meant, free as in no strings attached.
I stand by what I said it's common knowledge, and not just by the pseudo experts on getbig. The freer the flow of guns or anything, the more usage you'll have of the things. If you wanna stop this kind of random killings(that's a big if around here ::) ) Your gonna have to put resistance on the flow of these weapons.
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What a fucked up world! :(
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Gun control is certainly not a panacea. However, it should not be so easy to get so many guns and ammunition. For what purpose could a person possibly need all the weapons and ammunition he legally obtained?
Imagine the damage a dump truck going 50 mph could do during a 4th of July parade. I'm guessing there isn't too many guns that could do that kind of damage.
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It will help and is a start why do americans want to hold on to guns so much
if that guy had a knife he would have been stopped before he killed all those people......
if he didnt have a gun he couldnt shoot over a dozen people probably a pussy without those guns too...
so yes ND a putting a cap on guns WILL help
its not the wild west cowboys and indians anymore.. damn
See by getbig logic( emotions) if it don't completely stop it, there no use in fighting it, a more "practical" solution is for everyone to be packing heat.
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It will help and is a start why do americans want to hold on to guns so much
if that guy had a knife he would have been stopped before he killed all those people......
if he didnt have a gun he couldnt shoot over a dozen people probably a pussy without those guns too...
so yes ND a putting a cap on guns WILL help
its not the wild west cowboys and indians anymore.. damn
WRONG flat out wrong
If the guy couldn't get guns then he would have use a flame thrower , or a bomb of something else. You're blaming the object and not operator
And there is already a cap on guns and it doesn't help , why? it's focused on the law-abiding citizen and guess what? people who commit these crimes don't give a fuck about laws.
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What a fucked up world! :(
Yeah but at least the Yanks have their priorities right! Yahoo movies contributing editor Thelma Adams said the tragedy will take a bite out of the weekend gross. Maybe opening weekend will be a little bit less, but then the drop will not be as great - That's great news eh! :o The bottom line will still be OK!
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WRONG flat out wrong
If the guy couldn't get guns then he would have use a flame thrower , or a bomb of something else. You're blaming the object and not operator
And there is already a cap on guns and it doesn't help , why? it's focused on the law-abiding citizen and guess what? people who commit these crimes don't give a fuck about laws.
Smart fella here,,,
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Imagine the damage a dump truck going 50 mph could do during a 4th of July parade. I'm guessing there isn't too many guns that could do that kind of damage.
That's why there's a thing called keys and driver classifications.
This absurd notion of absolution is a fucking joke it's an emotional argument, it's called a basic deterrent and unlike arms buildup it actually can save lives.
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you know what the fuck I meant, free as in no strings attached.
I stand by what I said it's common knowledge, and not just by the pseudo experts on getbig. The freer the flow of guns or anything, the more usage you'll have of the things. If you wanna stop this kind of random killings(that's a big around here ::) ) Your gonna have to put resistance on the flow of these weapons.
Just the opposite the more restricted something becomes the more it's in demand and now you create a black market and all the bullshit that comes along with it.
You will NEVER EVER stop these types of random killings regardless if guns ever existed or not
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Yeah but at least the Yanks have their priorities right! Yahoo movies contributing editor Thelma Adams said the tragedy will take a bite out of the weekend gross. Maybe opening weekend will be a little bit less, but then the drop will not be as great - That's great news eh! :o The bottom line will still be OK!
Actually quite true....money is god to most unfortunately.
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Yeah but at least the Yanks have their priorities right! Yahoo movies contributing editor Thelma Adams said the tragedy will take a bite out of the weekend gross. Maybe opening weekend will be a little bit less, but then the drop will not be as great - That's great news eh! :o The bottom line will still be OK!
And you'll be right there watching like everyone else. You bitch about America yet where are you? wanna show us? boy cot all things American but you're just another hypocrite put your money where your mouth is.
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Just the opposite the more restricted something becomes the more it's in demand and now you create a black market and all the bullshit that comes along with it.
You will NEVER EVER stop these types of random killings regardless if guns ever existed or not
Not completely no never, but you will reduce the fucking odds. More demand does not correlate to more product simply a higher price, yes this will lead to a stronger black market which has to be countered as well but it is effective.
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And you'll be right there watching like everyone else. You bitch about America yet where are you? wanna show us? boy cot all things American but you're just another hypocrite put your money where your mouth is.
I hate the majority of American Movies - they literally make me sick - what grown man would honestly watch Batman, do you fuckers ever grow up - I do not go to the movies ever, why pay good money to watch crap American Violence orientated cinema! American movies are so predictable, glorified violence with no plot! I stopped watching that crap 20 years ago! There are a few exceptions, but the majority of what America produces is such Shite it is laughable!
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I hate the majority of American Movies - they literally make me sick - what grown man would honestly watch Batman, do you fuckers ever grow up - I do not go to the movies ever, why pay good money to watch crap American Violence orientated cinema! There are a few exceptions, but the majority of what America produces is such Shite it is laughable!
You must be 1000 pounds.
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You must be 1000 pounds.
250 to be exact! Odd post though!
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That's why there's a thing called keys and driver classifications.
This absurd notion of absolution is a fucking joke it's an emotional argument, it's called a basic deterrent and unlike arms buildup it actually can save lives.
LOL, yes, cause someone that is planning to murder a bunch of people with a truck is going to go get a CDL and buy a dump truck, rather than just steal one.
You'll find the majority of guns used in killings (gang violence) in the states are purchased illegally.
The war on drugs didnt work - the war on guns wouldnt work
As for this guy - someone said he rigged his place with tripwired explosives - you really think if he couldnt get a gun (Yeah, right), that he would have tried to stab people, rather than just blow it up?
The idea of no guns is the romantic ideal - and guess what, it wouldnt work. The only people with the firearms would be the criminals, who dont give a fuck about our laws in the 1st place.
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Not completely no never, but you will reduce the fucking odds. More demand does not correlate to more product simply a higher price, yes this will lead to a stronger black market which has to be countered as well but it is effective.
No you wont reduce odds , people will find other ways more creative more destructive. Don't underestimate the cunning of a motivated maniac
Really more demand doesn't means more product? KID get serious ever hear of the theory of supply and demand ? it's just the opposite the more the demand the greater the supply and the LOWER the price
go read a book kid
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I hate the majority of American Movies - they literally make me sick - what grown man would honestly watch Batman, do you fuckers ever grow up - I do not go to the movies ever, why pay good money to watch crap American Violence orientated cinema! American movies are so predictable, glorified violence with no plot! I stopped watching that crap 20 years ago! There are a few exceptions, but the majority of what America produces is such Shite it is laughable!
Either you hate the majority of American movies and paid for them ( part of the problem ) or are just trolling and hate them because they are American and haven't seen them.
Again where are you ? You rail against America , have the American flag in your avatar but you're knee deep in American culture and products , again put your money where your mouth is boy cot all things American and we both know you can't or wont do it.
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Either you hate the majority of American movies and paid for them ( part of the problem ) or are just trolling and hate them because they are American and haven't seen them.
Again where are you ? You rail against America , have the American flag in your avatar but you're knee deep in American culture and products , again put your money where your mouth is boy cot all things American and we both know you can't or wont do it.
He's Australian.
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Maybe the criminals are the smart ones. Why follow law/rules/religion, when you can follow your animalistic instincts and do whatever the fuck you want. The dam of peace is about to burst.
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Maybe the criminals are the smart ones. Why follow law/rules/religion, when you can follow your animalistic instincts and do whatever the fuck you want. The dam of peace is about to burst.
Peace is an unobtainable ideal.
As long as there are people, there will be violence and war.
Facts of life.
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He's Australian.
A colony of thieves lamenting about Americans? ::) ;D
I don't hate Australia , just dumb Aussies ;D
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I don't hate Australia , just dumb Aussies ;D
Ditto!
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LOL, yes, cause someone that is planning to murder a bunch of people with a truck is going to go get a CDL and buy a dump truck, rather than just steal one.
You'll find the majority of guns used in killings (gang violence) in the states are purchased illegally.
The war on drugs didnt work - the war on guns wouldnt work
As for this guy - someone said he rigged his place with tripwired explosives - you really think if he couldnt get a gun (Yeah, right), that he would have tried to stab people, rather than just blow it up?
The idea of no guns is the romantic ideal - and guess what, it wouldnt work. The only people with the firearms would be the criminals, who dont give a fuck about our laws in the 1st place.
The fuck there's gonna always be guns, even at best you'll get it down to about 50 percent the current rate, that's still 6 less dead people.
Anything that is hazardous needs to be controlled at some level. Explosive, foods, as time goes on these controls get more involved. It's a large part of the reason why people are living longer and longer lives.
A 5 percent decrease may sound trivial, but these types of thing compound.,
If it's harder to get guns, harder to get explosives, it'll delay a person.
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Ive got 2 guns.Both cause men to fear me when I pull out a front double biceps at the bar.
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Peace is an unobtainable ideal.
As long as there are people, there will be violence and war.
Facts of life.
As the late great Christopher Hitchens so masterfully
“"Our prefrontal lobes are too small and our adrenalin glands too big"
This explains a LOT of our problems as animals
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http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-sex-website-penis-cops
Sick.
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The fuck there's gonna always be guns, even at best you'll get it down to about 50 percent the current rate, that's still 6 less dead people.
Anything that is hazardous needs to be controlled at some level. Explosive, foods, as time goes on these controls get more involved. It's a large part of the reason why people are living longer and longer lives.
A 5 percent decrease may sound trivial, but these types of thing compound.,
If it's harder to get guns, harder to get explosives, it'll delay a person.
Yes, cause that worked so well for drugs, right? ::)
FYI, in the 60's, my dad literally walked to school with his shotgun, left it in the corner of the classroom, and went hunting after class.
How many massacres did they have back then?
Its not the guns, its the people. You need to stop trying to treat the symptom and treat the problem, just like with drugs.
And wtf to the bolded part? Control of explosives and food are making people live longer?
Really?
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You have to be trolling. There is no other explanation for this absurd conversation.
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http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-sex-website-penis-cops
Sick.
You should be a private detective. You have been detecting privates for years now.
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Either you hate the majority of American movies and paid for them ( part of the problem ) or are just trolling and hate them because they are American and haven't seen them.
Again where are you ? You rail against America , have the American flag in your avatar but you're knee deep in American culture and products , again put your money where your mouth is boy cot all things American and we both know you can't or wont do it.
Boycott - no need - the movies suck so bad I stopped watching them 20 years ago - one only needs to look at the title or read a synopsis to feel nauseous - you Americans are so arrogant you really believe people like your crap movies - I prefer to spend my time living life rather than being brainwashed by American propganda tv and movies - the only real tv I watch are documentaries - and these I download - and to be fair there are a few good american documentary makers, but I would rather poke my eye out with a fork than watch the juvenile tv and movies America produces.I do not watch commercial TV Ever - anyone who is still watching advertisements in this day and age is a fool! I choose what I want to watch and not let some corporate pigs dictate to me what to watch and when! - I mean for fuck sake - you overgrown children are obsessed with childish cartoon characters like Batman, Captain America and Superman - for god sake - grow up people - your childhood is over - get over it!
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No you wont reduce odds , people will find other ways more creative more destructive. Don't underestimate the cunning of a motivated maniac
Really more demand doesn't means more product? KID get serious ever hear of the theory of supply and demand ? it's just the opposite the more the demand the greater the supply and the LOWER the price
go read a book kid
If you restrict a product in its primary stream, there will be more demand for a secondary cheap source of the product (black market), the primary source will decrease in demand, as it will be in a greater price. I'm not suggesting ridding of guns absolutely, nor am I suggesting a simplistic, banning of guns, just more controls than there are currently.
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The fuck there's gonna always be guns, even at best you'll get it down to about 50 percent the current rate, that's still 6 less dead people.
Anything that is hazardous needs to be controlled at some level. Explosive, foods, as time goes on these controls get more involved. It's a large part of the reason why people are living longer and longer lives.
A 5 percent decrease may sound trivial, but these types of thing compound.,
If it's harder to get guns, harder to get explosives, it'll delay a person.
The fuck there's gonna always be guns, even at best you'll get it down to about 50 percent the current rate, that's still 6 less dead people.
No , ban guns criminals find other ways , he was motivated to murder on a grand scale something as trivial as not being able to get 50% of a desired amount of firearms wouldn't stopped him
Anything that is hazardous needs to be controlled at some level. Explosive, foods, as time goes on these controls get more involved. It's a large part of the reason why people are living longer and longer lives.
GUNS ARE CONTROLLED please know the topic you are speaking about. and no a large part of the reason people are living longer is NOT control , it's medical advancements and science
In order to get my guns I had to have a SPOTLESS record with no criminal backround , I had to attend a 8 hour NRA safety class , I had to pay for the class plus my license. I had to have an interview with at the police station , and whenever I buy a firearms from a shop they call the FBI on me to make sure even still I'm clean
You don't know what you're talking about kid and are in way over your head.
A 5 percent decrease may sound trivial, but these types of thing compound.,
If it's harder to get guns, harder to get explosives, it'll delay a person.
NO again it wont , passing laws that punish law-abiding citizens and criminals DO NOT follow laws , you've accomplished NOTHING but feel good legislation.
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Yes, cause that worked so well for drugs, right? ::)
FYI, in the 60's, my dad literally walked to school with his shotgun, left it in the corner of the classroom, and went hunting after class.
How many massacres did they have back then?
Its not the guns, its the people. You need to stop trying to treat the symptom and treat the problem, just like with drugs.
And wtf to the bolded part? Control of explosives and food are making people live longer?
Really?
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You have to be trolling. There is no other explanation for this absurd conversation.
follow the fucking sentences before this, it's called controlling hazards dipshit.
I'll agree you need to treat the people in either situation, when did I say you shouldn't ???
There's multiple approaches, better building layouts, screenings, tracking of potential weapons, better training for theatre security peoples, passive methods (camera's metal detectors etc)
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follow the fucking sentences before this, it's called controlling hazards dipshit.
I'll agree you need to treat the people in either situation, when did I say you shouldn't ???
There's multiple approaches, better building layouts, screenings, tracking of potential weapons, better training for theatre security peoples, passive methods (camera's metal detectors etc)
Usually there is ome retard in a wheel chair ripping tickets a my movie theater. hardly a worthy first line of defense.
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No , ban guns criminals find other ways , he was motivated to murder on a grand scale something as trivial as not being able to get 50% of a desired amount of firearms wouldn't stopped him
I never said ban guns
GUNS ARE CONTROLLED please know the topic you are speaking about. and no a large part of the reason people are living longer is NOT control , it's medical advancements and science
In order to get my guns I had to have a SPOTLESS record with no criminal backround , I had to attend a 8 hour NRA safety class , I had to pay for the class plus my license. I had to have an interview with at the police station , and whenever I buy a firearms from a shop they call the FBI on me to make sure even still I'm clean
You don't know what you're talking about kid and are in way over your head.
So you admit openly that controls are important you think they should exist, and do not believe they should be increase, so what makes you think this current system is exactly on the line of perfection, please explain?
NO again it wont , passing laws that punish law-abiding citizens and criminals DO NOT follow laws , you've accomplished NOTHING but feel good legislation.
Criminals follow laws all the fucking time. What kind of logic are you running with here?
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Usually there is ome retard in a wheel chair ripping tickets a my movie theater. hardly a worthy first line of defense.
Meh unless a company is willing to pay good dollar it's hard to get reliable/trustworthy security.
It'd be nice if the companies saw it worth there while to have armed security at these places but it's not like you can give a mall cop a gun and hope things stay safe.
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Boycott - no need - the movies suck so bad I stopped watching them 20 years ago - one only needs to look at the title or read a synopsis to feel nauseous - you Americans are so arrogant you really believe people like your crap movies - I prefer to spend my time living life rather than being brainwashed by American propganda tv and movies - the only real tv I watch are documentaries - and these I download - and to be fair there are a few good american documentary makers, but I would rather poke my eye out with a fork than watch the juvenile tv and movies America produces.I do not watch commercial TV Ever - anyone who is still watching advertisements in this day and age is a fool! I choose what I want to watch and not let some corporate pigs dictate to me what to watch and when! - I mean for fuck sake - you overgrown children are obsessed with childish cartoon characters like Batman, Captain America and Superman - for god sake - grow up people - your childhood is over - get over it!
I'm actually in the same boat as you , I think most of what Hollywood puts out is un-watchable, It's been years and years since I watched regular TV. I hate being marketed to I do watch a lot of documentaries as well , but I do like superhero movies as does my 9 year old son.
But you're painting all Americans with the same brush , a lot of naive people tend to mistake the US government with the US people and it's simply not accurate , TONS of Americans hate the US policy , voted to change it , protested the wars , wanted ' change ' etc , lots of angst in America by Americans about America
You look foolish screaming about Americans when you bring up a lot of legitimate points just directed at the wrong people on an American website , don't be hypocritical .
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You haters wanna be mad at someone, hate your hypocritical government for creating a system that enables this type of behaviour, Your leaders lead the way with indiscriminate killing worldwide and then they pretend to be decent caring people. Funny how Obama pretends to care about children, yet regularly blows them away with drone strikes and shrugs his shoulders with an "Oh well, collateral damage blah blah blah" The fact is the American system is one of being selfish and dehumanising your fellow human beings, you all treat each other like shit and then wonder why someone snaps! Wanna get mad at someone, get mad at your leaders who have created a system that enables these things to happen! Try developing a culture of compassion and concern for your neighbours rather than sitting back pretending to care about the latest tragedy! Individuals who are treated with love and respect don't shoot up the whole village!
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Criminals follow laws all the fucking time. What kind of logic are you running with here?
What are you talking about?
I never said ban guns
Yes you did by 50%
So you admit openly that controls are important you think they should exist, and do not believe they should be increase, so what makes you think this current system is exactly on the line of perfection, please explain?
One I never said it was perfect , what I did say is there are already plenty of laws on the books , NO need for more especially ones that criminals DO NOT intend to follow
They have gun-free school zones , you think for one fucking moment that's ' law ' or ' sign ' is going to stop a lunatic from shooting masses of children?
you can't legislate sanity to the insane.
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You haters wanna be mad at someone, hate your hypocritical government for creating a system that enables this type of behaviour, Your leaders lead the way with indiscriminate killing worldwide and then they pretend to be decent caring people. Funny how Obama pretends to care about children, yet regularly blows them away with drone strikes and shrugs his shoulders with an "Oh well, collateral damage blah blah blah" The fact is the American system is one of being selfish and dehumanising your fellow human beings, you all treat each other like shit and then wonder why someone snaps! Wanna get mad at someone, get mad at your leaders who have created a system that enables these things to happen! Try developing a culture of compassion and concern for your neighbours rather than sitting back pretending to care about the latest tragedy! Individuals who are treated with love and respect don't shoot up the whole village!
HEY!! NARCISSUS, do you even read and comprehend someone elses post?? quit trying to plagiarize an intellectual like chomsky and post on a board dedicated to politics, or does that intimidate you? and for the last time I AM CANADIAN!!!
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HEY!! NARCISSUS, do you even read and comprehend someone elses post?? quit trying to plagiarize an intellectual like chomsky and post on a board dedicated to politics, or does that intimidate you? and for the last time I AM CANADIAN!!!
Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky? ??? and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.
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Criminals follow laws all the fucking time. What kind of logic are you running with here?
WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?
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Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky? ??? and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.
DUDE im talking to ekul, who obviously is not the only narcissistic personality around here. Oh well it is abodybuilding board.
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DUDE im talking to ekul, who obviously is not the only narcissistic personality around here. Oh well it is abodybuilding board.
Gotcha ;D
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What are you talking about?
Criminals don't break laws at will, there still restrained by the law they find ways to bend the laws not ignore them.
Yes you did by 50%
Yes I think a realistic target would be reducing violent homicides by 50 percent, that doesn't mean banning all guns just making them harder to get
One I never said it was perfect , what I did say is there are already plenty of laws on the books , NO need for more especially ones that criminals DO NOT intend to follow
Actually people are getting killed by them and more importantly terrorized by them, it would seem there is sufficient need for some changes
They have gun-free school zones , you think for one fucking moment that's ' law ' or ' sign ' is going to stop a lunatic from shooting masses of children?
Yes for a second, a minute, even minutes, and that is all it takes to save lives.
you can't legislate sanity to the insane.
No but you can de enable someone.
Seriously are you just trolling me. Were talking about odds here, or are you one of these defying the odds types ??? ???
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WRONG flat out wrong
If the guy couldn't get guns then he would have use a flame thrower , or a bomb of something else. You're blaming the object and not operator
And there is already a cap on guns and it doesn't help , why? it's focused on the law-abiding citizen and guess what? people who commit these crimes don't give a fuck about laws.
so the solutions is making less lethal weapons (in your eyes) .... yes they dont but having guns available for sales like buying a magazine is crazy..... why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....
ND man your wrong here....
I agree there is a section of society that are crazy and will kill regardless
but for eg, two hotheads arguing may slug it out with their fists
two hot heards argueing with guns WILL shoot it out... its not complex....
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WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?
Of course they fucking will, but there is thing called logistics. Using these mythic words like maniacs ignores the fact that criminals are humans which of course have limits, and are concious decisions makers.
If it means the guy has to wait an extra week to either afford or steal a weapon it can drastically effect the choices of a person.
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Not reading the whole thread.
If more people could legally carry, maybe this "brilliant science student" would have thought twice.
Guns are here to stay, forever, deal with it.
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WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?
I guess what he is saying is that criminals follow their own laws, their own logic. Society's laws and logic are just something that they live outside of, but on occassion, will conform to, for their own means.
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so the solutions is making less lethal weapons (in your eyes) .... yes they dont but having guns available for sales like buying a magazine is crazy..... why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....
ND man your wrong here....
No you're flat out wrong. WRONG ' all they is kill ' I've owned guns since 1998 and they have NEVER killed anyone period end of sentence.
I'm not so much pro-gun as pro second amendment , I want the ability to protect myself and my family using firearms and don't want ANYONE to tell me I can't. You don't like guns don't buy one but don't have the audacity to tell anyone else they can't.
' A sword is never a killer just a tool in the killers hands '
if every gun magically disappeared in the world these events will still happen and if all the humans disappeared then all the guns would just sit and not ' kill ' anyone. Don't blame the object blame the person wielding it
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I like how a lot of the john wayne wannabe motherfuckers think things would have been different if other people n that theater were carrying. The fact is it would have only made the situation more confused for law enforcement and resulted in more deaths.
People would end up shooting all over the place. In the confusion of the momemt the "good guys" would end up shooting at each other because they thought they were the bad guys, and cops would just assume they were all the perpetrator and put a bullet in anybody with a gun. The whole thing would turn into a grade a cluster fuck. Doesn't matter how good you can shoot if you're not trained to handle a crisis situation.
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Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky? ??? and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.
Yup exactly the last part has ALWAYS been the case and ALWAYS will be.
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I guess what he is saying is that criminals follow their own laws, their own logic. Society's laws and logic are just something that they live outside of, but on occassion, will conform to, for their own means.
This guy were talking about from what we can tell never broke a law in his life until the shooting, my point is it's doubtful he would of went on a crime spree trying to finance or stealing weapons. He might of done minor theft, but nevertheless he is still limited.
If he had been caught buying explosives online, going to smuggling rings for guns, there's a real chance somewhere down the line he could of been caught or delayed to a point when he might of decided not to do it at all.
If this guy is such a demented maniac why did he wait until today to do the deed ??? ??? ??? ???
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It is patently clear that guys like the coach etc are right on this one.
Had everyone in the audience bothered to have taken their AK-47s/ semi rifles, whatever- as is their right in Colorado none of this would have happened. The guy would have just simply had walked in via the emergency door. , thrown his smoke bombs , shoot a few rounds from a stun gun into the ceiling, and then promptly walked back out out of the room.
All the coachs in the room would promptly start shooting on all directions - the place being full of masked men and all- and after 15 minutes some 100 people would be dead
The guy would then be convicted of discharging a non-lethal weapon in a public place, and everything would be OK.
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No you're flat out wrong. WRONG ' all they is kill ' I've owned guns since 1998 and they have NEVER killed anyone period end of sentence.
I'm not so much pro-gun as pro second amendment , I want the ability to protect myself and my family using firearms and don't want ANYONE to tell me I can't. You don't like guns don't buy one but don't have the audacity to tell anyone else they can't.
' A sword is never a killer just a tool in the killers hands '
if every gun magically disappeared in the world these events will still happen and if all the humans disappeared then all the guns would just sit and not ' kill ' anyone. Don't blame the object blame the person wielding it
I kinda figured you own guns.... have you ever lived outside of the USA?
Im not blaming the guns, im blaming the liberal accessibility to guns in America.....
well the result in evident.... as we saw last night
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I like how a lot of the john wayne wannabe motherfuckers think things would have been different if other people n that theater were carrying. The fact is it would have only made the situation more confused for law enforcement and resulted in more deaths.
People would end up shooting all over the place. In the confusion of the momemt the "good guys" would end up shooting at each other because they thought they were the bad guys, and cops would just assume they were all the perpetrator and put a bullet in anybody with a gun. The whole thing would turn into a grade a cluster fuck. Doesn't matter how good you can shoot if you're not trained to handle a crisis situation.
I agree... no diss to americans I love the they are great people friendly when ive visited.....kind etc
but for anyone to actually say more people should have been carrying .... is just incredulous ...
this cowboy gun way is just wrong IMO.....
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Seriously are you just trolling me. Were talking about odds here, or are you one of these defying the odds types ??? ???
Criminals don't break laws at will, there still restrained by the law they find ways to bend the laws not ignore them.
What are you 13? you have no life experience kid , criminals break tons of laws at will and most at the same time
Yes I think a realistic target would be reducing violent homicides by 50 percent, that doesn't mean banning all guns just making them harder to get
LMFAO reducing violent homicides by 50% ::) the District of Columbia had an outright ban on firearms and Chicago had some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States and both were among the most violent places in this country , there goes that theory
Kid pat attention , who are you punishing by making guns ' harder to get ' ? people who follow laws , lets have a two week waiting period for all firearms , who has to wait the two weeks? law-abiding citizens , the criminal just cuts out the middle man and goes to the streets , NO waiting period , no FBI call , NO bullshit , NO hassles. You've accomplished nothing
Actually people are getting killed by them and more importantly terrorized by them, it would seem there is sufficient need for some changes
Either you're trolling or you're monumentally stupid. changes in laws WILL NOT prevent people from killing people this is not debatable
Yes for a second, a minute, even minutes, and that is all it takes to save lives.
Now I know you're trolling , oppssss I just planned on killing an entire school , I have my SWAT gear my AR15 with a 100 round Beta-mag , I have my 62GRN green-tip Lake-City .556MM , damn there is a sign that says ' gun free school zone ' looks like I'll have to turn back around and go home or yes this sign will stop a lunatic for a moment or a second or a minute ::) get the fuck out of here
No but you can de enable someone.
We already have laws that prevent mentally unstable people from attaining firearms and guess what ? laws can are circumvented , see a pattern here? lets make MORE laws criminals wont follow :D
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I kinda figured you own guns.... have you ever lived outside of the USA?
Im not blaming the guns, im blaming the liberal accessibility to guns in America.....
well the result in evident.... as we saw last night
No you just did blamed the guns, your quote
why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....
Again NO they don't , that's not accurate.
And the liberal accessibility of guns is to blame? no it's not it's the lunatics to blame not the object they use.
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Anti gun people have to be amung the dumbest on this planet.......not quite as dumb as people that want to ban a breed of dog, but pretty damn close.
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What are you 13? you have no life experience kid , criminals break tons of laws at will and most at the same time
The fuck, most criminals have a pretty consistent acts of behaivour, drug addicts steal for drugs, sicko's do it for pleasure, violent types out of impulses, pedo's out of disfunction, and most are quite capable of avoiding being caught meaning there adhering to the law by degree
LMFAO reducing violent homicides by 50% ::) the District of Columbia had an outright ban on firearms and Chicago had some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States and both were among the most violent places in this country , there goes that theory
Banning guns isn't the only part, reducing drug flow, education, blah blah it's an involved process.
Kid pat attention , who are you punishing by making guns ' harder to get ' ? people who follow laws , lets have a two week waiting period for all firearms , who has to wait the two weeks? law-abiding citizens , the criminal just cuts out the middle man and goes to the streets , NO waiting period , no FBI call , NO bullshit , NO hassles. You've accomplished nothing
Punishing what kind of childish biblical bullshit you live, it's restriction, not a rigid rule that can't be broken but a restraint that reduces ones options
Either you're trolling or you're monumentally stupid. changes in laws WILL NOT prevent people from killing people this is not debatable
Yeah because laws don't change things at all, for example speed limits are completely pointless because people speed regardless, we'd be better off without these silly laws ::)
Now I know you're trolling , oppssss I just planned on killing an entire school , I have my SWAT gear my AR15 with a 100 round Beta-mag , I have my 62GRN green-tip Lake-City .556MM , damn there is a sign that says ' gun free school zone ' looks like I'll have to turn back around and go home or yes this sign will stop a lunatic for a moment or a second or a minute ::) get the fuck out of here Your not a candidate to do such things in the first place so QFT
We already have laws that prevent mentally unstable people from attaining firearms and guess what ? laws can are circumvented , see a pattern here? lets make MORE laws criminals wont follow :D
Well considering that mentally unstable is a vague and relative term, and that all law are circumventable that would be common sense. The point is whether or not the path to circumvent a law is a short one or a long one
Again answer the question why did the guy pick today of all days ??? ??? ??? ???
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Of course they fucking will, but there is thing called logistics. Using these mythic words like maniacs ignores the fact that criminals are humans which of course have limits, and are concious decisions makers.
If it means the guy has to wait an extra week to either afford or steal a weapon it can drastically effect the choices of a person.
Logistics? Do you have any idea how easy it is to get hard drugs, even though they're highly illegal?
It doesnt stop anything, instead of being regulated, they just open up a whole new world of dealers. How do you not understand this? It doesnt make anything harder to get.
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This guy were talking about from what we can tell never broke a law in his life until the shooting, my point is it's doubtful he would of went on a crime spree trying to finance or stealing weapons. He might of done minor theft, but nevertheless he is still limited.
If he had been caught buying explosives online, going to smuggling rings for guns, there's a real chance somewhere down the line he could of been caught or delayed to a point when he might of decided not to do it at all.
If this guy is such a demented maniac why did he wait until today to do the deed ??? ??? ??? ???
Because this was the opening of the new Batman movie, and he was fulfilling his romantic ideal of being the "joker".
Dude was crazy.
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Logistics? Do you have any idea how easy it is to get hard drugs, even though they're highly illegal?
It doesnt stop anything, instead of being regulated, they just open up a whole new world of dealers. How do you not understand this? It doesnt make anything harder to get.
So if coke is 5 bucks a gram versus 50 bucks a gram it makes no difference in how much people use, where to these people invent money ??? ??? ???
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I agree... no diss to americans I love the they are great people friendly when ive visited.....kind etc
but for anyone to actually say more people should have been carrying .... is just incredulous ...
this cowboy gun way is just wrong IMO.....
I think that people should have the ability to protect themselves but that wouldn't have prevented what happened last night , nothing would. And that type of situation has bad written all over it , smoke , dark , sound , panic and terror , him wearing body armor , etc nothing was gonna stop that but doesn't mean people shouldn't have the ability to protect themselves and look for an opportunity to end the threat without harm to other people.
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Because this was the opening of the new Batman movie, and he was fulfilling his romantic ideal of being the "joker".
Dude was crazy.
So if this was his dream since childhood, what was his attempt at med school?
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Banning guns or "making them harder to get" is impossible, there's already a huge underground market for stolen and unlicensed guns and there are tons of places to gets parts that are 80% complete and finished the machine work yourself and you have unnumbered, unlicensed, unregistered fully automatic weapons. Anti gun people seem totally oblivious to the fact that criminals and their associates don't pay attention to laws.
I'm out.
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I think that people should have the ability to protect themselves but that wouldn't have prevented what happened last night , nothing would. And that type of situation has bad written all over it , smoke , dark , sound , panic and terror , him wearing body armor , etc nothing was gonna stop that but doesn't mean people shouldn't have the ability to protect themselves and look for an opportunity to end the threat without harm to other people.
If he wanted to kill as many people as possible why didn't he kill 300 people?
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So if this was his dream since childhood, what was his attempt at med school?
Who said it was a childhood dream? ???
Besides, dude had body armor, smoke grenades, and explosives. He clearly didnt give a fuck about the law and would have still had the firearms even if they were illegal, judging from the fact he was already decked out with illegal gear.
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If he wanted to kill as many people as possible why didn't he kill 300 people?
Who the fucks knows? I wasn't there. Who knows what was going through his mind.
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Banning guns or "making them harder to get" is impossible, there's already a huge underground market for stolen and unlicensed guns and there are tons of places to gets parts that are 80% complete and finished the machine work yourself and you have unnumbered, unlicensed, unregistered fully automatic weapons. Anti gun people seem totally oblivious to the fact that criminals and their associates don't pay attention to laws.
I'm out.
Yeah because machining weapons in a shop is very cost effective, and more importantly completely off the radar of the police/fbi
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If he wanted to kill as many people as possible why didn't he kill 300 people?
Where are you trying to go with this? That he just woke up one day and said "Man, im gonna go buy an AK and shoot up a bunch of people at the theater tonight, good thing I can buy firearms so easily?" Cause that really doesnt fly, since the things he used to do this clearly constituted pre-meditation, you dont just aquire body armor, kevlar helmet, and wire your home with explosives all in a day. (all of which are highly regulated and illegal)
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Yeah because machining weapons in a shop is very cost effective, and more importantly completely off the radar of the police/fbi
Your name is fitting, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, shut the fuck up REtard.
LOL, cost effective.....FBI....... .hahaa!!! Dumbass.
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50 or 100 round magazines are for nuts and crazies.
You want a gun, fine. How about we settle with 12 shots.
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Where are you trying to go with this? That he just woke up one day and said "Man, im gonna go buy an AK and shoot up a bunch of people at the theater tonight, good thing I can buy firearms so easily?" Cause that really doesnt fly, since the things he used to do this clearly constituted pre-meditation, you dont just aquire body armor, kevlar helmet, and wire your home with explosives all in a day. (all of which are highly regulated and illegal)
Don't give him the time , this kid is dense :-\
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Your name is fitting, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, shut the fuck up REtard.
LOL, cost effective.....FBI....... .hahaa!!! Dumbass.
One of the instructors at my school just downloaded a CAD file for an AR (upper and lower reciever) that he's going to cut.
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50 or 100 round magazines are for nuts and crazies.
You want a gun, fine. How about we settle with 12 shots.
Hell, im fine with 30, but 50-100 is definitely overkill. Too bulky anyway.
Id have no problem with 50-100 round magazines being illegal.
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50 or 100 round magazines are for nuts and crazies.
You want a gun, fine. How about we settle with 12 shots.
Why? because some looney might go crazy? cars that go 200MPH are for nuts and crazies lets ban those as well ::)
lets ban all cars that go over 65MPH because they may crash and hurt other people . great logic
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Your name is fitting, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, shut the fuck up REtard.
LOL, cost effective.....FBI....... .hahaa!!! Dumbass.
So you can produce guns in a home shop that are cheaper than factory built ones, that are realiable?
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Why? because some looney might go crazy? cars that go 200MPH are for nuts and crazies lets ban those as well ::)
lets ban all cars that go over 65MPH because they may crash and hurt other people . great logic
Eh..... I wouldnt have a problem with restricting to 30 round mags, if nothing other than to shut up the gun control bitches.
Then again, I'd never use a big mag to begin with. Id rather have 10 30 round mags than 3 100 round mags.
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Hell, im fine with 30, but 50-100 is definitely overkill. Too bulky anyway.
Id have no problem with 50-100 round magazines being illegal.
This state already bans new 30 rounders all the ones I have a pre-ban , see a pattern? I have no desire for a beta-c mag or the new Surefires but it goes back to the original point , ban it from who? law-abiding citizens? :-\
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So you can produce guns in a home shop that are cheaper than factory built ones, that are realiable?
Yes.
Easily.
(Machine shop)
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This state already bans new 30 rounders all the ones I have a pre-ban , see a pattern? I have no desire for a beta-c mag or the new Surefires but it goes back to the original point , ban it from who? law-abiding citizens? :-\
I thought the AWB expired?
What state do you live in?
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One of the instructors at my school just downloaded a CAD file for an AR (upper and lower reciever) that he's going to cut.
Exactly. You can buy lowers 80% complete with prints on how to finish, no FFL, no numbers, no ID check. Finish your AR in only a few hours for a fraction of the cost and completely off the radar. Your instructor probably downloaded that shit for free too.
I brought it up before, but I know a guy in Colorado that makes hand crank gatlin guns in .223 for "varmints". :D
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Eh..... I wouldnt have a problem with restricting to 30 round mags, if nothing other than to shut up the gun control bitches.
Then again, I'd never use a big mag to begin with. Id rather have 10 30 round mags than 3 100 round mags.
That NEVER shuts them up. And it doesn't stop criminals from doing what criminals do.
Those 100 round magazines were tested by .Gov and then never bought any to unreliable and how much does a 100 round mag fully loaded weigh? not to practical but .Gov shouldn't be punishing you and I because of some jackass criminal
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Where are you trying to go with this? That he just woke up one day and said "Man, im gonna go buy an AK and shoot up a bunch of people at the theater tonight, good thing I can buy firearms so easily?" Cause that really doesnt fly, since the things he used to do this clearly constituted pre-meditation, you dont just aquire body armor, kevlar helmet, and wire your home with explosives all in a day. (all of which are highly regulated and illegal)
I'm saying the guy thought it out which means he was acting on very rational thought process, he was clear cut, knew what he wanted to do, and planned it down to every single detail. Point is if any number of details are different it may have reduced his kill count or kept him from doing it altogether.
Logically he would want to kill thousands of people if he could but didn't, because there was no way for him to effectively get this kill count, he was limited, if he could of gotten more explosives into the premises my guess is he would of used them, he is a joker copy cat after all. A medal, detector, a dividing ridge in the buildings structure, faster exits for crowd dispersal, more expensive weapons, better tracking on these weapons etc all could of saved lives.
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I thought the AWB expired?
What state do you live in?
No Massachusets decided it worked so well ( despite all the evidence to the contrary ) they kept it.
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Exactly. You can buy lowers 80% complete with prints on how to finish, no FFL, no numbers, no ID check. Finish your AR in only a few hours for a fraction of the cost and completely off the radar. Your instructor probably downloaded that shit for free too.
I brought it up before, but I know a guy in Colorado that makes hand crank gatlin guns in .223 for "varmints". :D
Haha, one of the kids was talking about those the other day, the old school gatlin gun with the wooden crank?
Yeah, he got if off one of the websites called CADgrab or something, didnt pay a cent. There was CAD files for all kinds of them, AR-10's, AR-15's, etc.
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I'm saying the guy thought it out which means he was acting on very rational thought process, he was clear cut, knew what he wanted to do, and planned it down to every single detail. Point is if any number of details are different it may have reduced his kill count or kept him from doing it altogether.
Logically he would want to kill thousands of people if he could but didn't, because there was no way for him to effectively get this kill count, he was limited, if he could of gotten more explosives into the premises my guess is he would of used them, he is a joker copy cat after all. A medal, detector, a dividing ridge in the buildings structure, faster exits for crowd dispersal, more expensive weapons, better tracking on these weapons etc all could of saved lives.
Youre trying to argue that a man that walked into a theater and started shooting people, pretending he was the joker, was acting rationally? And that he may have just decided against it if it was toughter?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot bro? He went to a lot of work to get the helmet, vest, and explosives, he was pretty dedicated. Your argument makes no sense.
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Im actually pretty suprised not one person tried to do something. Usually in that scenario, there is at least one person that would be able to do something while he was distracted. In this case, it couldnt hurt, even if he just tackled the guy.
you could have made a thread 2 days ago about what people would do in a theater if a shooter walked in and gotten half the people to talk about how they would have kicked ass.
Im sure everyone here would have ::)
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I think that people should have the ability to protect themselves but that wouldn't have prevented what happened last night , nothing would. And that type of situation has bad written all over it , smoke , dark , sound , panic and terror , him wearing body armor , etc nothing was gonna stop that but doesn't mean people shouldn't have the ability to protect themselves and look for an opportunity to end the threat without harm to other people.
so a gun is the only way you can protect yourself.... abyone who thinks that is deep down a scared individual....
anyway ND I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one... but I will say, not because you've know one way or grew up one way.. means its the only way.
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Yes.
Easily.
(Machine shop)
So what your gonna spend 100 grand to make a gun?
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So what your gonna spend 100 grand to make a gun?
What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.
100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?
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Haha, one of the kids was talking about those the other day, the old school gatlin gun with the wooden crank?
Yeah, he got if off one of the websites called CADgrab or something, didnt pay a cent. There was CAD files for all kinds of them, AR-10's, AR-15's, etc.
No wood crank, Billit aluminum, this guy has 2 CNC machines in his barn, and too much time on his hands.
6 grand includes the mount for the front of your ATV!! :D
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What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.
100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?
I said that on the last page, dude is completely out of it.
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so a gun is the only way you can protect yourself.... abyone who thinks that is deep down a scared individual....
anyway ND I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one... but I will say, not because you've know one way or grew up one way.. means its the only way.
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Cultural differences dude, gun is the great equalizer over here. It is very effective defense - when there are many places here that you may get assaulted from multiple people because youre in the wrong neighborhood, a gun is cheap insurance.
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Youre trying to argue that a man that walked into a theater and started shooting people, pretending he was the joker, was acting rationally? And that he may have just decided against it if it was toughter?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot bro? He went to a lot of work to get the helmet, vest, and explosives, he was pretty dedicated. Your argument makes no sense.
Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.
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I said that on the last page, dude is completely out of it.
Gotta be trolling, he's so far out in left field on every "fact" he's tried to state, that its ludicrous. Simply does not operate in reality.
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Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.
Mental illness doesn't imply an absence of rational thinking.
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What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.
100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?
How much does it cost for the equipment to do the maching, and no I have no idea how much this stuff would cost in a hobbiests setting. I know a cnc and a lathe as a pair would cost 100 grand plus, at least at my old work.
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Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.
And thats rational to you? To decide to just go and start random innocent people, including children? Speaks more on your thought process than his.
His thought process leading up to it may have been rational, but the decision itself is clearly not.
Just because someone is a sociopath/psychopath doesnt mean he isnt capable of rational planning to achieve his end goal.
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Gotta be trolling, he's so far out in left field on every "fact" he's tried to state, that its ludicrous. Simply does not operate in reality.
Most anti gun people don't operate in reality. ;)
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How much does it cost for the equipment to do the maching, and no I have no idea how much this stuff would cost in a hobbiests setting. I know a cnc and a lathe as a pair would cost 100 grand plus, at least at my old work.
Yes, if you had to buy the machines, but you dont, as there are plenty of people that work at shops doing this themselves and selling them under the table with no serial numbers and no registration.
As was already stated, any sort of ban is just going to increase the number of sales through back channels like the people that do this on the side at their machine shop.
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And thats rational to you? To decide to just go and start random innocent people, including children? Speaks more on your thought process than his.
His thought process leading up to it may have been rational, but the decision itself is clearly not.
Just because someone is a sociopath/psychopath doesnt mean he isnt capable of rational planning to achieve his end goal.
Were getting into semantics here, he wanted he showed no signs of delusion, or any stream of thinking that would show that he didn't understand the laws around him. He knew he'd get caught, knew he'd only kill so many, knew it would be on the news etc.
He was aware of the circumstances, your acting as if he was a typical delusional nutter, who didn't understand his situation or atleast your implying this is the case.
If he was aware of the circumstances, you'd think changing those circumstances might have changed his actions.
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Were getting into semantics here, he wanted he showed no signs of delusion, or any stream of thinking that would show that he didn't understand the laws around him. He knew he'd get caught, knew he'd only kill so many, knew it would be on the news etc.
He was aware of the circumstances, your acting as if he was a typical delusional nutter, who didn't understand his situation or atleast your implying this is the case.
If he was aware of the circumstances, you'd think changing those circumstances might have changed his actions.
No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.
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No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.
Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.
You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.
I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.
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Cultural differences dude, gun is the great equalizer over here. It is very effective defense - when there are many places here that you may get assaulted from multiple people because youre in the wrong neighborhood, a gun is cheap insurance.
This (bold)
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If you restrict a product in its primary stream, there will be more demand for a secondary cheap source of the product (black market), the primary source will decrease in demand, as it will be in a greater price. I'm not suggesting ridding of guns absolutely, nor am I suggesting a simplistic, banning of guns, just more controls than there are currently.
Yes, if you had to buy the machines, but you dont, as there are plenty of people that work at shops doing this themselves and selling them under the table with no serial numbers and no registration.
As was already stated, any sort of ban is just going to increase the number of sales through back channels like the people that do this on the side at their machine shop.
|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.
The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies wanting control over any risks associated with their business.
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No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.
BINGO!
This dude rigged up his apartment!
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Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.
You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.
I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.
Yeah and last I checked kevlar, is a patented technology, not something that the producers wants being resold without paying a royalty.
These are the types of things that should be controlled not just because of the nanny state but because it would be in the interest of the producers of such products. Were in the modern age inventory tracking is getting cheaper and cheaper every year, these types of things are no longer unrealistic.
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Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.
You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.
I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.
Kevlar or plated?
Im operating under the assumption it was a plate carrier. If not, then Im wrong.
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|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.
The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies wanting control over any risks associated with their business.
So you are for the government keeping watch on businesses that use CNC or mills/lathes just in case they make weapons ???
LMAO, people like you are the problem, inviting the government to come in and babysit you...fuckin loser.
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|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.
The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies wanting control over any risks associated with their business.
Uh, what? You want to watch shops to make sure an employee isnt making weapons?
Seriously dude, you have no idea the scope of what your ideas entail. You would have to expand the Federal government enormously, and give them tremendous amounts of power to do something like youre suggesting.
But if you want a totalitarian state, be my guest.
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So you are for the government keeping watch on businesses that use CNC or mills/lathes just in case they make weapons ???
LMAO, people like you are the problem, inviting the government to come in and babysit you...fuckin loser.
Yes to a degree, companies, should have time on equipment logged, for multiple purposes. It's in their interest, to keep a measure on how much time is being spent on a certain machine. Giving said companies tax benefits to comply with the liabilities that go along with such devices. Please don't act like this is coming out of nowhere, cnc machines etc are prone to wear and tear, and just the same any product a machinist will make is already subject to some liability as is. The idea, that this would be kept on electronic record with the federal government is not extreme. Granted compliance with such legislation wouldn't be inflexible and would be eased in over a long time span.
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Yes to a degree, companies, should have time on equipment logged, for multiple purposes. It's in their interest, to keep a measure on how much time is being spent on a certain machine.Giving said companies tax benefits to comply with the liabilities that go along with such devices. Please don't act like this is coming out of nowhere, cnc machines etc are prone to wear and tear, and just the same any product a machinist will make is already subject to some liability as is. The idea, that this would be kept on electronic record with the federal government is not extreme. Granted compliance with such legislation wouldn't be inflexible and would be eased in over a long time span.
You have no idea how Machine Shops operate, do you?
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You have no idea how Machine Shops operate, do you?
Depends on the shop I suppose. Last I checked cnc's are liscened products, which have constraints when you buy them. Obviously any older machines would be exempt from such laws, and it would gradually start off as voluntary for tax credits.
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A solid audit would reduce the batman to a quivering jelly. No way he could hide the expense of all the bat technology.
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If he would have chained and pad locked the entire theather closed and used gasoline and a lighter to torch the place to the ground with everyone in it, we would all Be discussing banning gas , matches and masterlocks :/
We are still trying to ban airplanes???
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Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders. In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing. Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media). Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.
A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything). It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.
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Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders. In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing. Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media). Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.
A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything). It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.
End of thread.
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Depends on the shop I suppose. Last I checked cnc's are liscened products, which have constraints when you buy them. Obviously any older machines would be exempt from such laws, and it would gradually start off as voluntary for tax credits.
Licensed products with contraints? What are you referring to?
I was referring to the fact that the smaller shops will sometimes run their salary employees round the clock during the busy season to get work done, how in the hell are they going to keep records of that for the government and still get their work done?
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Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders. In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing. Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media). Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.
A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything). It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.
I'll agree to some extent, but I won't agree that emotional crimes are not more relevant than non emotional/accidental ones.
Fear is a real force, it's bad for business. A infected food scandal, a massacre, a random disaster all can do serious damage to an industry, you can't simply could it by death, but also in human costs.
Also I'll agree that most violent crime is going down generation by generation, I doubt it has to do with people being more armed, or any other factor you named. But more with other general themes in society. However I do believe getting violent attention crimes under control is a serious concern for our society as our lives become safer, random incidents will become more costly for companies in the windfall of any deaths.
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I agree... no diss to americans I love the they are great people friendly when ive visited.....kind etc
but for anyone to actually say more people should have been carrying .... is just incredulous ...
this cowboy gun way is just wrong IMO.....
As long as we need locks on our doors, we will also need a weapon of some sort. Banning guns for law abiding citizens will in too many cases result in every criminal having a black market gun against your butter knife... I don't know what planet some of you people are living on, but this is Hell on EArth. I don't own a gun and probably never will because I can break the spine of a German Shepard with my bare hands. But for most other people, guns may just save their life and the lives of their children.
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guess the race ::)
"These People" should all be rounded up and shot. The earth would be a much better place.
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read the first 2 pages of this thread of "guess the race" posts.......
hasn't the game changed to "guess the country" yet?
"guess the country" is becoming far more easier.
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Does anybody have any links or citations to studies regarding gun laws in various countries and rates of gun violence? Are the rates dramatically higher in the US vs. countries that have stricter gun laws?
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ABC takes advantage of this very sad day to promote their Gun control agenda.
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In NZ we have virtually no access to guns.
If someone gets murdered with a gun its front page news for weeks.
If someone gets murdered with a gun in the states it's just business as usual.
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buying guns is perfectly fine but when theres a nipple shown the country is upside down, very sick land
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Where are you trying to go with this? That he just woke up one day and said "Man, im gonna go buy an AK and shoot up a bunch of people at the theater tonight, good thing I can buy firearms so easily?" Cause that really doesnt fly, since the things he used to do this clearly constituted pre-meditation, you dont just aquire body armor, kevlar helmet, and wire your home with explosives all in a day. (all of which are highly regulated and illegal)
That brings up a good point. "normal" citizens should not be able to legally purchase fucking full body armor. That should have sent up a red flag then.
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Does anybody have any links or citations to studies regarding gun laws in various countries and rates of gun violence? Are the rates dramatically higher in the US vs. countries that have stricter gun laws?
Of course the US is going to have higher rates and sheer numbers of those committing violent crimes utilizing a firearm. Nations such as the UK, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, China, France, and Germany have much lower violent crime rates. Reasons for this go well above and beyond something simple as strict gun control laws(the Columbine shooters broke well over 50 gun laws alone) such as culture and a mostly homogenous peoples. Then again, going beyond guns, the US still exceeds those other nations when it comes to homicides and accidents(i.e. vehicles, knives, blunt instruments). Nothing is ever simple, and a shooting of this magnitude always brings up the topic of more strict gun control laws.
Abortion and access to abortion facilities is THE statistic when it comes to reducing violent crime. You'll see cities and states (Democrat-heavy, if I may add) begin their crime decreases in direct relation to how soon its populace had better access to abortion facilities upon the Roe V. Wade decision. The overall vast majority of women having abortions are those who do not have a real means of support for their expectant children and lack of a nuclear family structure. If these children were to be born, the chances would be much higher of them committing future crimes. Read about former Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausecu and you'll see what I am talking about.
Family structure is another overlooked stat. Stable family environments lead to much lesser likelihoods of its members. Why do you think African-Americans have such high percentages of violent crimes committed? I'm in the process of adoption, and the number of children available are mostly African-American. Of course, you can throw the whole family structure argument out as infamous killers such as the Batman Shooter, Columbine, and Jeffrey Dahmer came from good households.
A new stat that should be looked at is how many of these killers are on some sort of behavior altering drug that is pushed by major pharmaceutical industries?
Anyway, here's some gun stats in the US for you to look at that disproves gun violence and gun control laws that attempt to prevent them.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race :D...............
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haha... ;D
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Interesting
(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.png)
* During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower
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Interesting
(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.png)
Yeah because a crack epidemic is a minor problem relative to a tiny district banning certain guns.
Interesting ::)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_fir_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop
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Yeah because a crack epidemic is a minor problem relative to a tiny district banning certain guns.
Uh, what?
The point here, is that after banning handguns the murder rate rose dramatically while the national trend averaged lower.
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(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png)
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.
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(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png)
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.
And magically skyrocket by 1985 ??? Why everywhere ???
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/history/1985-1990.html
Ever here of a crack epidemic?
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And magically skyrocket by 1985 ??? Why everywhere ???
What are you trying to say?
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What are you trying to say?
Reread.
That crime rates skyrocketed via the prevalence of cheap and easy crack coccaine.
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Reread.
That crime rates skyrocketed via the prevalence of cheap and easy crack coccaine.
You need to reread
That wasnt a crime rate graph - it was percentage of murders committed with handguns, AFTER Chicago banned them.
Basically, Chicage banned handguns, the percentage of murders using handguns skyrocketed.
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What are you trying to say?
It skyrocketed due to TWA Flight 847 being hijacked by Hezbollah.
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You need to reread
That wasnt a crime rate graph - it was percentage of murders committed with handguns, AFTER Chicago banned them.
Basically, Chicage banned handguns, the percentage of murders using handguns skyrocketed.
I'm aware, but crime rates all round went up with crack, not just petty crimes, but violent gun usage as well.
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I'm aware, but crime rates all round went up with crack, not just petty crimes, but violent gun usage as well.
Thats all well and good, but that has nothing to do with PERCENTAGES of murders comitted with a handgun post-ban.
Im assuming you know what a percentage is, yes?
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Thats all well and good, but that has nothing to do with PERCENTAGES of murders comitted with a handgun post-ban.
Im assuming you know what a percentage is, yes?
What ??? Is there like a paragraph missing ???
Do you acknowledge the crack epidemic started right after these laws were putting in place ???
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What ??? Is there like a paragraph missing ???
Do you acknowledge the crack epidemic started right after these laws were putting in place ???
Sure.
You're saying murders trended up - and thats fine.
But of TOTAL murders in Chicago, the percentage committed with handguns skyrocketed after they banned them.
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Looks like guncrime fell from time of the ban in 81 up till 86. Then it went thru the roof for next 2 years.
Yup, just when Crack hit the streets and the gangbangers started blowing each other away.
The upside is that if you look at the stats you will hopefully see that the victims were gangbangers too. So no loss. Just a bit of late abortion in my eyes.
If abortion was freely available in USA without the stigma you would not have so many gangbangers causing mahem. They would not exist in the first place.
This is one reason for gun crime in usa being higher I think. Other countries kill their future troublemakers before they exist thru free easy abortion. A 16 year old girl in the ghetto who doesnt know who the father is is probably not going to produce a well rounded member of society.
The fact that the USA glorifies the act of killing "insurgents" from Apache helicopters by shooting people on the ground in order to spread democracy also probably has an effect. Hey if the President loves us to slaughter people then it must be a cool thing to do. Yeah?
In the UK we killed people in Iraq too. But we dont glorify it. The Scottish soldiers glorify the act of making friends and gaining trust of the local people. Walking freely and bravely amoung the people. The americans fly over at a safe distance and blast everything that moves from above.
The fact that USA is comprised of some people who have everything and more people who have nothing probably plays a part too. Lack of social support structure and national free availability of healthcare unless you can affort it probably breeds a mental condition of "I am not valued therefore I will shoot and kill and get what I want. Just like the President wants us to do in other countries, this is the american dream".
This only accounts for the randome gun crime. I'm not talking about mass murders like this one in Denver. There will always be people who love the thought of mass destruction (and I don't mean Bush and Blair authorising the Shock and Awe killing of 10,000 Iraqi's on the first night of desert storm 2).
If this guy didnt have guns he would have made a bomb.
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You need to reread
That wasnt a crime rate graph - it was percentage of murders committed with handguns, AFTER Chicago banned them.
Basically, Chicage banned handguns, the percentage of murders using handguns skyrocketed.
Actually it went down for five years, than went up for five years,
homicides via beatens, rapes, and stabbings, etc are pretty consistent everywhere even in countries without guns.
The crack crimes were armed robberies, and gang war, not the shit down with your bare hands.
http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html
murders without weapons 6000 in america and 3000 in uk per 300 million person.
A 2:1 ratio which suggests it's pretty much the same when you include other factors, such as demographics, poverty, and drugs issues
Than BOOM!!! 48:1 for gun crime
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Al... the British Army has always had a stricter Discipline about when to shoot. They really do drill into you not to shoot unless you have to but when you do..then do it 100%. This then, is the difference between a bum with a Gun and a trained Soldier..they used to call it in the army, " Controlled Agression"
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The 2nd Amendment should never be altered in any fashion. End of Story.
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Actually it went down for five years, than went up for five years,
homicides via beatens, rapes, and stabbings, etc are pretty consistent everywhere even in countries without guns.
The crack crimes were armed robberies, and gang war, not the shit down with your bare hands.
http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html
murders without weapons 6000 in america and 3000 in uk per 300 million person.
A 2:1 ratio which suggests it's pretty much the same when you include other factors, such as demographics, poverty, and drugs issues
Than BOOM!!! 48:1 for gun crime
Of course, youre comparing a tiny country that literally went and rounded up all firearms from its citizens to a country with the 2nd amendment.
Kind of a stupid comparison.
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Of course, youre comparing a tiny country that literally went and rounded up all firearms from its citizens to a country with the 2nd amendment.
Kind of a stupid comparison.
The fuck so you openly admit that lax gun laws are the problem ???
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-07-finland-guns_N.htm
Gun ownership high, violence low in Finland
Updated 11/8/2007 6:23 AM | Comments 40 | Recommend 11 E-mail | Print |
By Alan Gomez and Oren Dorell, USA TODAY
Finland, a country with a high number of guns but a low rate of gun violence, appeared stunned by a school shooting that left eight people dead and may consider revising its accommodating gun laws, Finnish experts said Wednesday.
"This is quite a low-crime society in general," said Jan-Olof Nyholm, executive chief superintendent for the Finnish National Bureau of Investigation. "This type of tragedy hasn't happened (often)."
AFTERMATH: Finland mourns victims of school massacre
SHOOTING: Finnish school shooter dies after killing 8
Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen said the government will review its gun laws. "Definitely this will impact opinions about handguns," he said.
An 18-year-old entered Jokela High School in Tuusula on Wednesday and killed seven students and the school's principal before killing himself.
Jukka Savolainen, a criminologist at the Finnish Ministry of Justice, said gun crime is so rare in Finland because most of the country's firearms are hunting weapons. There are far fewer handguns, he said.
Savolainen, now a visiting professor at the University of Minnesota, compares gun ownership in Finland to gun ownership in the rural USA. He said many U.S. shootings are in urban centers, where the drug trade and gangs escalate violence. "I'm from Helsinki, and I don't know anybody who owns a gun," he said.
In Finland, anyone age 15 or older can apply for a gun license with local police if they are able to offer a valid reason. The easiest way to obtain a license is by joining a shooting or hunting club, as the Jokela gunman did in October.
"Ownership of guns is quite liberal in Finland, and mostly it's a question of people who are hunting who have the guns," Nyholm said.
Gun violence is rare. Finnish media reported that the last school shooting was in 1989 and involved a 14-year-old boy who killed two other students apparently for teasing him.
The USA has seen far more school shootings, but it is also much larger. Finland's population is 5.3 million, compared with about 300 million in the USA.
The latest multiple shooting in the USA was in April, when a student killed 32 people and then himself at Virginia Tech.
In both the Virginia Tech and Finland shootings, the gunmen recorded videos of themselves that anticipated the crimes to come. Nyholm said it was too early to say whether one inspired the other.
"How people are affected … by things that happen overseas, other people will have to guess. But the world has gotten smaller, and things that happen elsewhere can have an affect here," he said.
Contributing: Wire reports
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The fuck so you openly admit that lax gun laws are the problem ???
Guns are not any problem whatsoever.
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Of course, youre comparing a tiny country that literally went and rounded up all firearms from its citizens to a country with the 2nd amendment.
Kind of a stupid comparison.
one thing i remember was Charlton Heston holding a rifle overhead in his hand and acting like he was again in the film planet of the apes...pathetic. "It´s a god given right to own a weapon".. the US is way out of control..has been for years.
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So you are for the government keeping watch on businesses that use CNC or mills/lathes just in case they make weapons ???
LMAO, people like you are the problem, inviting the government to come in and babysit you...fuckin loser.
That means every bike builder, engine maker, metal worker/artist, or backyard enthusiast who has one. Or when an factory shuts down and sells off it's CNC mills and lathes.
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one thing i remember was Charlton Heston holding a rifle overhead in his hand and acting like he was again in the film planet of the apes...pathetic. "It´s a god given right to own a weapon".. the US is way out of control..has been for years.
It is a fundamental right for United States Citizens to own a gun.
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Guns don't kill people.
People kill People.
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A lot of people in this thread that have read Freakonomics.
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Also, I have been shot before in the leg. Entry/Exit wound by my friend on accident. We were at a party and he picked up a gun laying on the kitchen counter, after I had told him it was loaded and indeed a real gun he fired it while holding it in a downward position and the trajectory was through my leg at extremely close range (about 7-10 inches gun barrel to my leg). Luckily he didn`t point it at my head or somewhere else. It was purely accidental though.
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The fuck so you openly admit that lax gun laws are the problem ???
Sigh. No.
The UK is a terrible example - they are a tiny, isolated country. They do not have a supply chain like here in the US (coming north from central/south America), nor do they have the population we have.
If you went, right now, and collected all the registered firearms from everyone (read: law abiding citizens), all that would be left would be the criminals that didnt register their weapons/dont buy through legal channels, and you would have gun crime skyrocket akin to what happened with the handgun bans tried in various cities.
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In theory yes stastically no, even if he had to settle with a sub par weapon the death count could be reduced. The fact that he might have to try slightly harder might of made him track able by the authorities.
We live in a society where everyone's single move is tracked by gps, and we refuse to have better tracking on guns it makes no sense.
That's because there should be no tracking of guns.
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If anyone wonders what getting shot is like- It feels like a giant hot needle or hot wire clothes hanger going through you.
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It is a fundamental right for United States Citizens to own a gun.
Yes and dumb.. ::)
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Sigh. No.
The UK is a terrible example - they are a tiny, isolated country. They do not have a supply chain like here in the US (coming north from central/south America), nor do they have the population we have.
If you went, right now, and collected all the registered firearms from everyone (read: law abiding citizens), all that would be left would be the criminals that didnt register their weapons/dont buy through legal channels, and you would have gun crime skyrocket what happened with the handgun bans tried in various cities.
Guns are not any problem whatsoever.
A population like we have, there's 60 million people in a area the size of california the FUCK ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Of course it's harder for us, never said it wasn't, and in fact I never said banning the fucking guns in the first place. I said restricting access, by various fucking means, how hard is this to understand. ???
Guns are not any problem whatsoever.
Even in the article you mention guns are used primarily for hunting and not self defense.
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A population like we have, there's 60 million people in a area the size of california the FUCK ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Of course it's harder for us, never said it wasn't, and in fact I never said banning the fucking guns in the first place. I said restricting access, by various fucking means, how hard is this to understand. ???
Even in the article you mention guns are used primarily for hunting and not self defense.
WTF? You were just using the UK as the basis for your argument, which has almost complete ban on firearms.
Yes, they have 60 million people. We have 300 million. And our population density is much lower. How do you plan on policing that?
Much easier to do when you live on an isolated small island than a huge spread out contiguous land mass.
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Sigh. No.
The UK is a terrible example - they are a tiny, isolated country. They do not have a supply chain like here in the US (coming north from central/south America), nor do they have the population we have.
If you went, right now, and collected all the registered firearms from everyone (read: law abiding citizens), all that would be left would be the criminals that didnt register their weapons/dont buy through legal channels, and you would have gun crime skyrocket akin to what happened with the handgun bans tried in various cities.
yeah we are so fucking small ..not like THE USA ::) it´s just bigger with more freaks !
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WTF? You were just using the UK as the basis for your argument, which has almost complete ban on firearms.
Yes, they have 60 million people. We have 300 million. And our population density is much lower. How do you plan on policing that?
Much easier to do when you live on an isolated small island than a huge spread out contiguous land mass.
I never said I wanted it 42:1 ratio and I realize the difference. At best as I said about 50 posts ago, I think a realistic target that is a decrease to 50 percent of current which would would make it 21:1
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yeah we are so fucking small ..not like THE USA ::) it´s just bigger with more freaks !
You guys are small compared to the US. ???
As Mikmaq said, your country is the size of California. Its an isolated island with water on all sides, and you have 1/5th the population.
You really getting butthurt about the size of your country?
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You guys are small compared to the US. ???
As Mikmaq said, your country is the size of California. Its an isolated island with water on all sides, and you have 1/5th the population.
You really getting butthurt about the size of your country?
It's not small it's very average, if the history of the usa was much different odds are california, would be independent, the same with texas, and florida. The bulk of the country is prairie, desert, and artic wasteland.
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Someone needs to off this joker to get his face off TV and so we don't have to hear about his existence in the weeks and months to come.
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The 2nd Amendment should never be altered in any fashion. End of Story.
I thought you were a flaming homo liberal my friend. What political party do you align yourself with?
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I thought you were a flaming homo liberal my friend. What political party do you align yourself with?
No shit says the guy who voted for Obama/Biden
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No shit says the guy who voted for Obama/Biden
I really like Adonis except for his political views. But he's sounding more independent/libertarian with these comments. Most intelligent libs come around eventually to a more moderate stance in my experience...just takes em awhile of "fighting the good fight".
Also, Adonis: how do I keep rice from sticking to the bottom of my pan bro? I've tried everything
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You guys are small compared to the US. ???
As Mikmaq said, your country is the size of California. Its an isolated island with water on all sides, and you have 1/5th the population.
You really getting butthurt about the size of your country?
mate my point is ..it aint the size it´s the quality of the people in the Country and how they have been "Educated"..
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Bunch of anti gun retards in this thread.
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mate my point is ..it aint the size it´s the quality of the people in the Country and how they have been "Educated"..
You wont see me arguing that. Family structure goes a long ways to preventing violent crimes - we're a bastion for gang violence, broken homes and failed parenting.
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As for the 2nd Amendment, only the far lunatic fringe left actually want all or part of it abolished. It is the "well-regulated militia" part that is the hot topic of debate. Many "pro 2nd amendment" folks leave that part out entirely and go directly to the Right to Bear Arms.
If you want to keep rice from sticking to the bottom of the pan, coat the bottom very, very lightly with oil and place a banana tree leaf or two over the bottom of the pan. Then, put your rice in. Voila! Clean pan, no sticky rice.
Additionally, the prison system(and by extension, the entire criminal justice system) makes sure to keep crimes happening. Those with criminal and arrest records have high recidivism rates. Those with records have a much more difficult time gaining meaningful employment, obtaining an education(have little knowledge in securing educational loans), and getting the things necessary to succeed in life such as getting a place to live, bank account, and bills.
That is getting away from the topic as the shooter obviously does not fall into any of these categories(nor does the Va Tech shooters among many others). I'm not sure there is much we can do to prevent another instance of this happening as events like these are going to happen, like it or not. Hell, there is a much higher chance of dying in a vehicle crash.....so....life can be dangerous.....this isn't Star Trek, folks.
And yes...I've read the Superfreakonomics books as well as having a Bachelors in Criminal Justice and working as a Probation Officer...all gave me some insight into shit like this. I got tired of it...I paint and repair cars now, lol.
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I really like Adonis except for his political views. But he's sounding more independent/libertarian with these comments. Most intelligent libs come around eventually to a more moderate stance in my experience...just takes em awhile of "fighting the good fight".
Also, Adonis: how do I keep rice from sticking to the bottom of my pan bro? I've tried everything
Too High of heat.
Follow this for perfect rice every time.
2 cups Rice
3 Cups water
Combine In a large Sauce Pan over high heat until boiling. As soon as it boils, lower heat to low and cover. Set timer for 10 minutes and cook on low.
After 10 minutes, immediately take off heat and let stand for 15 minutes.
Done.
Perfect non-sticking rice everytime. Follow that to the T and its guaranteed.
PS. I don`t align myself with any one party. I don`t label myself anything.
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why is it so easy to "guess the country" when the only thing the news reporter has mentioned is "shooting massacre" ?
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why is it so easy to "guess the country" when the only thing the news reporter has mentioned is "shooting massacre" ?
Maybe if the headline read "30 bodies found decapitated" you'd have a harder time guessing? Knives should be banned or regulated, they cut peoples heads off!!!
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Maybe if the headline read "30 bodies found decapitated" you'd have a harder time guessing? Knives should be banned or regulated, they cut peoples heads off!!!
Scissors stab people. Better ban them.
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Maybe if the headline read "30 bodies found decapitated" you'd have a harder time guessing? Knives should be banned or regulated, they cut peoples heads off!!!
relax. it's a legit question. before the country is even mentioned in a news report, why is one most likely to say the correct country in their first guess of where a shooting massacre, or a shooting of any kind, has just happened?
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maybe people were really annoying wispering during the movie? should hear his side of the story before we judge.
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relax. it's a legit question. before the country is even mentioned in a news report, why is one most likely to say the correct country in their first guess of where a shooting massacre, or a shooting of any kind, has just happened?
Same reason one can guess the race of a suspect 90% of the time. They're called "stereotypes".
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Maybe if the headline read "30 bodies found decapitated" you'd have a harder time guessing? Knives should be banned or regulated, they cut peoples heads off!!!
Nice comparison between knives and automatic assault rifles ::)
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Nice comparison between knives and automatic assault rifles ::)
It wasnt an automatic assault rifle dingus.
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Nice comparison between knives and automatic assault rifles ::)
The gun he fired wasn't automatic , pay attention
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Nice comparison between knives and automatic assault rifles ::)
And yes you can compare edged weapons to rifles , case in point
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-03-23-china-stabbing-eight_N.htm
BEIJING (AP) — A former doctor armed with a large knife rampaged outside an elementary school in eastern China, stabbing eight young children to death and wounding five others Tuesday, a local official and state news agency said.
lunatics wont be stopped no matter what you ban and FYI China has a very strict policy against firearms ownership
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Gee China bans all civilian firearm use and wow lunatics are still killing people ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)
On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[2] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian province;[4] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[2] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[3]
[edit]April 2010
Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8] On April 29 in Taixing,[3] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[10] On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[3] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]
[edit]May 2010
An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[3][11] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[12] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[12]
On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[13] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[14] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[14] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[15]
[edit]August 2010
On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[16]
[edit]August 2011
Eight children, all aged four or five,[17] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.[18]
[edit]September 2011
In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[20] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[21] The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[22]
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Same reason one can guess the race of a suspect 90% of the time. They're called "stereotypes".
fair enough, but i would have to strongly disagree with that comparison.
i could not guess the race of the person that committed a crime 9 out of 10 times correctly as i instantly can with guessing the country where a large shooting took place before it is mentioned.
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hey assholio,
keep your fucking "firearms".
you'll need them when the next lunatic has you on his sights. ::)
You scoffed at the idea of comparing knives to guns and when that backfired this is your response? ::)
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Denver was always something to avoid....
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You scoffed at the idea of comparing knives to guns and when that backfired this is your response? ::)
Yea brutal backfire ::) ::) Nice self-congratulatory tone, sweetheart.
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Yea brutal backfire ::) ::) Nice self-congratulatory tone, sweetheart.
It backfired , you thought comparing knives to guns was laughable and it's not , knives , like guns can be used to kill on big numbers by crazed individuals , don't blame the tool , blame the lunatic using it
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It backfired , you thought comparing knives to guns was laughable and it's not , knives , like guns can be used to kill on big numbers by crazed individuals , don't blame the tool , blame the lunatic using it
Haha, keep insisting if it soothes your OCD.
I scoffed at the comparison because knives are multi-purpose tools whereas firearms generally have rather narrow purposes. Get it?
Don't build straw men out of my words, it makes you look like an amateur
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Haha, keep insisting if it soothes your OCD.
I scoffed at the comparison because knives are multi-purpose tools whereas firearms generally have rather narrow purposes. Get it?
Don't build straw men out of my words, it makes you look like an amateur
BORING
Says the guy who thinks it's an ' automatic assault rifle ' ::) and firearms are multi-purpose tools as well , wanna get more thinks wrong? more things corrected? keep typing.
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Haha, keep insisting if it soothes your OCD.
I scoffed at the comparison because knives are multi-purpose tools whereas firearms generally have rather narrow purposes. Get it?
Don't build straw men out of my words, it makes you look like an amateur
don´t worry about the little dicks on here. They are just gob shites who have never been in a real situation.
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"30 dead in knife massacre"
::)
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Gee China bans all civilian firearm use and wow lunatics are still killing people ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)
On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[2] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian province;[4] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[2] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[3]
[edit]April 2010
Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8] On April 29 in Taixing,[3] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[10] On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[3] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]
[edit]May 2010
An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[3][11] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[12] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[12]
On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[13] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[14] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[14] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[15]
[edit]August 2010
On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[16]
[edit]August 2011
Eight children, all aged four or five,[17] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.[18]
[edit]September 2011
In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[20] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[21] The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[22]
Killers are going to find a tool to kill with.
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Machete-wielding rioters kill 200 in Nigeria
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35759877/ns/world_news-africa/t/machete-wielding-rioters-kill-nigeria/#.UArf86P0eSo (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35759877/ns/world_news-africa/t/machete-wielding-rioters-kill-nigeria/#.UArf86P0eSo)
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Arming the population hasn't made any country safer, you can't take the guns away, it's too late for that. But arguing that guns make for a safer country is futile, the statistics are NOT in your favour.
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Machete-wielding rioters kill 200 in Nigeria
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35759877/ns/world_news-africa/t/machete-wielding-rioters-kill-nigeria/#.UArf86P0eSo (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35759877/ns/world_news-africa/t/machete-wielding-rioters-kill-nigeria/#.UArf86P0eSo)
Nigeria, brutal example of a civilized country ::)
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what did batman have to say about all this?
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Lmao @ douchebag foreigners that think banning anything will stop crime. ::)
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Lmao @ douchebag foreigners that think banning anything will stop crime. ::)
like i said before this Guy is a TOOL
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Horrible thing happened, and they should be mourned.
However, just for example, I listen to ESPN radio and a few of the guys are saying this is the fault of the gun activists and business that promote guns and the right to bear arms...that sets me off. Not enough to go down to ESPN with my 308 because I am a normal gun owner with somewhat normal thought control to know what is right or wrong.
A few months back here on Long Island a lady used a shotgun she bought after her neighborhood had a lot of break ins. The skells doing the break ins were dope heads with guns and knives and hurt a few of the victims.
They broke into her house...she shot the guy dead...news 12 (local station) did a bit on how she was the great american hope who saved her baby from the big bad robbers.
What do the guys at ESPN do when their homes are being robbed?
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The 2nd Amendment should never be altered in any fashion. End of Story.
Agree. The security of the country ought to be protected by the well regulated militia to which the gun owners belong and they should be allowed as many powderhorn and tamping rod loaded muskets as they damn well feel like owning.
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Shocking !! :o :o
But to really knock you off your feet.....
CONSPIRACY ?
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like i said before this Guy is a TOOL
You are a yellowtooth, your opinion means less than the sweat that drips off my sack.
No offense, of course.
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Looks like guncrime fell from time of the ban in 81 up till 86. Then it went thru the roof for next 2 years.
Yup, just when Crack hit the streets and the gangbangers started blowing each other away.
The upside is that if you look at the stats you will hopefully see that the victims were gangbangers too. So no loss. Just a bit of late abortion in my eyes.
If abortion was freely available in USA without the stigma you would not have so many gangbangers causing mahem. They would not exist in the first place.
This is one reason for gun crime in usa being higher I think. Other countries kill their future troublemakers before they exist thru free easy abortion. A 16 year old girl in the ghetto who doesnt know who the father is is probably not going to produce a well rounded member of society.
The fact that the USA glorifies the act of killing "insurgents" from Apache helicopters by shooting people on the ground in order to spread democracy also probably has an effect. Hey if the President loves us to slaughter people then it must be a cool thing to do. Yeah?
In the UK we killed people in Iraq too. But we dont glorify it. The Scottish soldiers glorify the act of making friends and gaining trust of the local people. Walking freely and bravely amoung the people. The americans fly over at a safe distance and blast everything that moves from above.
The fact that USA is comprised of some people who have everything and more people who have nothing probably plays a part too. Lack of social support structure and national free availability of healthcare unless you can affort it probably breeds a mental condition of "I am not valued therefore I will shoot and kill and get what I want. Just like the President wants us to do in other countries, this is the american dream".
This only accounts for the randome gun crime. I'm not talking about mass murders like this one in Denver. There will always be people who love the thought of mass destruction (and I don't mean Bush and Blair authorising the Shock and Awe killing of 10,000 Iraqi's on the first night of desert storm 2).
If this guy didnt have guns he would have made a bomb.
Fear, Doom and Gloom is a genius way of keeping the masses at bay...
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Well, let's at least pray the guy's not a getbigger..... :-\
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James Holmes jailed in solitary: ‘All the inmates were talking about killing him’
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ^ | July 21, 2012 | Matthew Lysiak In Aurora, Colo. AND Larry Mcshane
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:10:29 PM by Mount Athos
Remorseless mass-murder suspect James Holmes was locked up alone Saturday over fears that the self-proclaimed Joker would become a target for other inmates.
The man accused in the Colorado movie theater massacre was still behaving erratically on the day after his rampage at a midnight screening of “The Dark Night Rises” — the last film in the Batman trilogy.
“Let’s just say he hasn’t shown any remorse,” a jail employee told the Daily News. “He thinks he’s acting in a movie.”
A released inmate said Holmes’ behavior behind bars was increasingly irrational.
“He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,” the inmate told The News. “He's spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.”
Holmes, 24, was also placed on suicide watch in solitary confinement before eating a jailhouse breakfast of grits and sausage, according to a cafeteria worker.
Two other just-released inmates said the concerns of Arapahoe Detention Center officials over Holmes’ life were well-founded.
“All the inmates were talking about killing him,” Wayne Medley, 24, said as he left the facility. “Everyone was looking for an opportunity. It’s all they could talk about.”
Freed inmate Dima Danilov, 22, said the suspect’s face was covered with a red towel when he arrived at the jail about two hours after 12 people were killed and 58 wounded inside an Aurora, Colo., multiplex.
Holmes — who had dyed his hair red — was also wearing red clothing beneath the black body armor that terrified moviegoers saw when he opened fire early Friday morning, Danilov said.
Jail guards “blacked out his windows with duct tape so no one could see him,” said Danilov. “He was cuffed in the back and had leg shackles. Six officers were walking him.”
The deranged suspected killer, a former honors student and Ph.D. candidate, said nothing and walked slowly to his cell.
Danilov said that if Holmes was released into the general jail population, “he won’t live to see Monday’s court appearance.”
Holmes is due for his first court appearance on Monday morning. He could face the death penalty, if found mentally competent and convicted in the murder spree.
Cops returned Saturday for a second day to Holmes’ suburban Denver apartment, which was rigged with chemical and explosive booby-traps by its jailed tenant before his rampage.
Eleven of the victims shot during the midnight screening of “The Dark Knight Rises” remained in critical condition Saturday at Colorado hospitals.
According to NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly, the mass killer declared that “he was the Joker, enemy of Batman” after the massacre ended.
Holmes, who came to Colorado from California to continue his education, was armed with an AR-15 assault rifle, a Remington 870 shotgun and two .40-caliber Glock handguns.
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Just followed this....you are a genius my friend.
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i dont get it, this dude is just a pure product of what happen to people who watch too much crap like these batman movies for decades.
He just identified himself with the joker character, ''some people just want to see the world burn'' ::) well looks like he took it a bit more seriously than most viewers.
Only degenerates watch these movies, they re all the same kind of losers, both killer and murdered people.
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i dont get it, this dude is just a pure product of what happen to people who watch too much crap like these batman movies for decades.
He just identified himself with the joker character, ''some people just want to see the world burn'' ::) well looks like he took it a bit more seriously than most viewers.
Only degenerates watch these movies, they re all the same kind of losers, both killer and murdered people.
This is not true.
I love all superhero/supernatural related movies and animations. I like creativity and fantasy, not sadistic murder.
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I'm still wonderIng why he shot up theater killing everything in sight, then telling cops his house was boobytrapped ... If he didn't warn the cops all the additional evidence in his apartment would have gone up in flames once these barney fife cops opened the door to his apartment
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This is not true.
I love all superhero/supernatural related movies and animations. I like creativity and fantasy, not sadistic murder.
Agreed.
Not everyone is content with wittling small wooden figurines and nursing a warm glass of milk from their handmade antique rocking chair all Saturday evening. Some fellas enjoy seein a good flick.
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wise words from uberman itt
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Proof positive that a shitload of degrees doesn't mean you have your life in order
The deranged suspected killer, a former honors student and Ph.D. candidate, said nothing and walked slowly to his cell.
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I'm still wonderIng why he shot up theater killing everything in sight, then telling cops his house was boobytrapped ... If he didn't warn the cops all the additional evidence in his apartment would have gone up in flames once these barney fife cops opened the door to his apartment
You're really pissed off at the world when you start boobytrapping your own apartment. Dude probably just got flamed too hard on GetBig and had an epic meltdown.
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i dont get it, this dude is just a pure product of what happen to people who watch too much crap like these batman movies for decades.
He just identified himself with the joker character, ''some people just want to see the world burn'' ::) well looks like he took it a bit more seriously than most viewers.
Only degenerates watch these movies, they re all the same kind of losers, both killer and murdered people.
you and that guy are the same kind of losers, difference is he had balls to do something while you on the other hand just vents on the internets
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i dont get it, this dude is just a pure product of what happen to people who watch too much crap like these batman movies for decades.
He just identified himself with the joker character, ''some people just want to see the world burn'' ::) well looks like he took it a bit more seriously than most viewers.
Only degenerates watch these movies, they re all the same kind of losers, both killer and murdered people.
Quite the "Girls and Sons"-scenario right there.
Comics and Superhero-cartoons may not be the best to grow up with for some minds.
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And so will his opponents.
Idiot left: freak incident = ban all guns!
Idiot right: freak incident = everyone should pack heat!
Normal people: accept that lunatics gonna lunatic.
solid post
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Agree. The security of the country ought to be protected by the well regulated militia to which the gun owners belong and they should be allowed as many powderhorn and tamping rod loaded muskets as they damn well feel like owning.
not excluding a few other goodies (read Amendment 2.5)
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i dont drop a deuce without a glock.
i CANNOT imagine going to a midnight showing of a movie without a fanny pack full of glock 27 goodness and at least one extra clip.
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Do firearms have as many purposes as knives? I thought their only use is to apply force or threaten it- hence why I didn't like the comparison
Now go on internet warrior show me what an all-knowing, pedantic, marginalised, ill-functioning, misaligned little internet twat you can be ;)
Guns are multi-purpose and no not just to apply force or threaten , they are used for personal protection , hunting , competition , target shooting , collecting , just because you can't see past your own bias doesn't change facts.
Again you're boring and not very smart typical troll.
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"30 dead in knife massacre"
::)
The Chinese guy killed 8 children that's not far off of that asshole in the movie theater and all he had was a knife. The point is lunatics will not be stopped regardless is all the fairly dust is spread and all the evil guns disappeared
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i dont drop a deuce without a glock.
i CANNOT imagine going to a midnight showing of a movie without a fanny pack full of glock 27 goodness and at least one extra clip.
Eh, never been a fan of 9mm's. Think the Glock 9mm is highly overrated. Ill take a 1911 any day.
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Eh, never been a fan of 9mm's. Think the Glock 9mm is highly overrated. Ill take a 1911 any day.
27 is .40 cal
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Guns are multi-purpose and no not just to apply force or threaten , they are used for personal protection , hunting , competition , target shooting , collecting , just because you can't see past your own bias doesn't change facts.
Again you're boring and not very smart typical troll.
your melting down here boy
I am tempted to post some pics of Ronnie butt fucking Dorian so you can start walking down to the nearest cinema ;D
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Eh, never been a fan of 9mm's. Think the Glock 9mm is highly overrated. Ill take a 1911 any day.
the one i carry, the G27, is a 40 caliber. I like it over the 9mm.
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your melting down here boy
I am tempted to post some pics of Ronnie butt fucking Dorian so you can start walking down to the nearest cinema ;D
Is that the best you can do? :-\
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i dont drop a deuce without a glock.
i CANNOT imagine going to a midnight showing of a movie without a fanny pack full of glock 27 goodness and at least one extra clip.
Outed for using word fanny pack
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Is that the best you can do? :-\
Like the great Dave palumbo likes to say : "in this life you don't get what you want, you get what you need"
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27 is .40 cal
Ah.
Still take my 1911.
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Occupy Wall Street Names Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as Occupy Black Bloc Member
OccuWorld ^ | July 21, 2012
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:03:24 PM
(VIDEO AT LINK)
www.westernjournalism.co m ‘Occupy Wall Street Names Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as Occupy Black Bloc Member’ Occupy Wall Street’s main website, OccupyWallStreet.org, has named Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as an Occupy Black Bloc Member, which has been confirmed by Occupy Black Bloc researcher and expert private investigator Bill Warner. occupywallst.org (Occupy Wall Street.org took this down about an hour after it was posted, but screenshot proves James Holmes’ connection to Occupy movement) pibillwarner.wordpress.c om cheatersflorida.wordpres s.com www.occupyunmasked.com
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I knew it
He is a commie. Those red bastards
Maybe gun laws should be tightened to avoid these dangerous liberals from committing acts of terrorism.
Just imagine, he could have shot one of those victimized bankers which were forced by the state (presumably Bush given the timing) to hand out mortgages to poor black people which then caused this whole economic downturn.
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This is not true.
I love all superhero/supernatural related movies and animations. I like creativity and fantasy, not sadistic murder.
i ve seen teens and young adults in their 30s acting all badass say "some people just want to see the world burn" with a dead serious face. Generation nothingness. Another little kid who wasnt loved and raised decently, who instead of a father figure thought he was a movie villain. To each his own culture.
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i ve seen teens and young adults in their 30s acting all badass say "some people just want to see the world burn" with a dead serious face. Generation nothingness. Another little kid who wasnt loved and raised decently. To each his own culture.
I`d like to see you thrown in a fire and burnt to an unrecognizable crisp.
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you and that guy are the same kind of losers, difference is he had balls to do something while you on the other hand just vents on the internets
i dont kill people, i have a family, work, contribute, train, motivate people to train... sorry, this loser was just a reject who played too many video games and watched too many movies, who didnt have the balls to get a woman pregnant and create life, basically an immature social outcast who s spiritual and psychological development were those of a 12 y/o kid.
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I`d like to see you thrown in a fire and burnt to an unrecognizable crisp.
dont you have some cookies to make for your "girlfriend" you homo? Another tough guy living in his bubble all life long unable to create shit. A little kid who ll never grow up, angry at everyone and attempting to virilize himself ...on the internet.
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dont you have some cookies to make for your "girlfriend" you homo?
No, but I am slow roasting Pulled Pork at the moment. Should be done in a few hours.
Your family is a mess by the way, but lets just keep that between us, shall we. At least for now...
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I`d like to see you thrown in a fire and burnt to an unrecognizable crisp.
Anyone else lol at this ???
Just me?
Carry on.....
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The Chinese guy killed 8 children that's not far off of that asshole in the movie theater and all he had was a knife. The point is lunatics will not be stopped regardless is all the fairly dust is spread and all the evil guns disappeared
you missed it. 2 things before i explain. first is that i agree with you, lunatics will not be stopped. this guy will have found a way to get some murders done that night if not with a gun....but how many would have survived if it were a knife? the process is a lot more slower, and yes some will have been dead, but you have a better chance of (1) having less dead in that cinema and (2) if you were the one being attacked, have a better chance of fending off your attacker as opposed to someone taking aim at you with a gun from a distance away.
This is not the point I want to make and anyone wanting to compare knives to guns will get annihilated in this argument. Lets leave it there.
The point is, "guess the country." Why is everyone so good at this game when a headline like this is mentioned without anything said about which country it happened in? Why will someone be correct almost all the time? What's with that?
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No, but I am slow roasting Pulled Pork at the moment. Should be done in a few hours.
Your family is a mess by the way, but lets just keep that between us, shall we. At least for now...
haha I see interesting times ahead on getbig :) maybe :)
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IF we could trust the govt to always do the right thing, and IF you could guarantee 100% of criminals woudl turn in their guns -
Then YES, removing guns and having people limited to knives would be fine.
HOWEVER- we never know what the govt will do, and thugs carrying guns illegally now aren't going to give them up because suddenly they're equally illegal. Only the good guys would be giving u their guns.
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Guns are multi-purpose and no not just to apply force or threaten , they are used for personal protection , hunting , competition , target shooting , collecting , just because you can't see past your own bias doesn't change facts.
Again you're boring and not very smart typical troll.
Haha keep repeating yourself to oblivion, morons always do that when they're cornered ;) knives have ten times the applicability of guns.
And look who's talking about bias. I haven't spent ten years of my life in an internet feud defending a bodybuilder only to finally admit I was all that time, hopelessly besotted with him ;)
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I`d like to see you thrown in a fire and burnt to an unrecognizable crisp.
Keep up the good work Adonis the True! 8)
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IF we could trust the govt to always do the right thing, and IF you could guarantee 100% of criminals woudl turn in their guns -
Then YES, removing guns and having people limited to knives would be fine.
HOWEVER- we never know what the govt will do, and thugs carrying guns illegally now aren't going to give them up because suddenly they're equally illegal. Only the good guys would be giving u their guns.
Ok, so you're saying that guns cannot be banned because the government won't be able to take all of them away from the bad guys.
Furthermore you need guns to defend yourself against those same bad guys- they might be using their guns to kill you.
Pray tell what is the difference between your country and say, Liberia? Because you guys have cable-TV? Super-large portions of food in restaurants? A thriving adult industry?
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Your family is a mess by the way, but lets just keep that between us, shall we. At least for now...
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OMR vs SMM Part 2: The Rise & Fall of Uberman
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Haha keep repeating yourself to oblivion, morons always do that when they're cornered ;) knives have ten times the applicability of guns.
And look who's talking about bias. I haven't spent ten years of my life in an internet feud defending a bodybuilder only to finally admit I was all that time, hopelessly besotted with him ;)
Look, your argument will keep you chasing your tail on this one. Stop wasting your breathe. America (or the Americas for that matter) was borne out of violence, The Way of The Gun. A violent past, a violent history.
The taking of lands thru force or violence, freedom from The Crown by violence, freedom against other powers by violence, and the push out West by violence. And the gun has been at the forefront.
And also, the bad guys have always had guns (other than Indians, until they procured them) be it the Red
Coats, bandits, The French, or The Confederates and the Union...it's been bred into us.
You are not going to convince people who have had guns/violence as part of their culture to give them up---especially when the bad guys and the gvernment have their own guns.
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Look, your argument will keep you chasing your tail on this one. Stop wasting your breathe. America (or the Americas for that matter) was borne out of violence, The Way of The Gun. A violent past, a violent history.
The taking of lands thru force or violence, freedom from The Crown by violence, freedom against other powers by violence, and the push out West by violence. And the gun has been at the forefront.
And also, the bad guys have always had guns (other than Indians, until they procured them) be it the Red
Coats, bandits, The French, or The Confederates and the Union...it's been bred into us.
You are not going to convince people who have had guns/violence as part of their culture to give them up---especially when the bad guys and the gvernment have their own guns.
I suppose you're right.
To clarity, I'm not really trying to convince anyone. People are rarely convinced by arguments anyway. I just play the devil's advocate for fun :)
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I suppose you're right.
To clarity, I'm not really trying to convince anyone. People are rarely convinced by arguments anyway. I just play the devil's advocate for fun :)
I understand.
Think of it like this, they tried Prohibition with alcohol, and it didn't work, Americans love their alcohol. And we have a huge DUI problem now (everybody drinks "responsibly"). You can find a person guilty of DUI, send him to alcohol classes,suspend their license, even have Interlock put on their cars.
But, you cannot stop people from buying a vehicle. Some will get a motorcycle, others a a scooter, some will buy a car and say screw the Court's orders, and keep on driving. Because driving is ingrained in us---it's part of our culture, a car culture. And we think it's our Right to drive (unlike the guns issue), and not a privledge.
And just like banning guns, you can't ban someone from buying a car and driving it, it's damn near impossible.
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Movie Goer of Peace!
You gotta love Americas freedom! Greatest country in the world! Can't even go to the movies anymore - terrific country! :o
For such a free country, sure are a lot of lunatics ready to shoot the shit out of everyone! Isn't it great being a civilian to the Superpower!
Just download the movie, good argument for torrenting - Your Honour I downloaded the movie because I was scared of getting shot at the movies!
Dude, this kind of shit goes on all over the world. You just dont hear about them as much due to lack of media coverage (apart from that nut in Oslo who took out the record for most deaths in a killing spree).
And if im not mistaken, he took that dubious crown off a another lunatic that went by the name of Martin Bryant. A fkn AUSTRALIAN, that went nuts in Tasmania back in 96, killing 35. Then you had the Hoddle St Massacre in Melbourne before that.
Oh but wait, this kind of shit only happens in America, right retard?
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Look, your argument will keep you chasing your tail on this one. Stop wasting your breathe. America (or the Americas for that matter) was borne out of violence, The Way of The Gun. A violent past, a violent history.
The taking of lands thru force or violence, freedom from The Crown by violence, freedom against other powers by violence, and the push out West by violence. And the gun has been at the forefront.
And also, the bad guys have always had guns (other than Indians, until they procured them) be it the Red
Coats, bandits, The French, or The Confederates and the Union...it's been bred into us.
You are not going to convince people who have had guns/violence as part of their culture to give them up---especially when the bad guys and the gvernment have their own guns.
You know Parker, I may have been too quick to signal agreement there. I'm not convinced by the usual cultural-historical argument.
There are so many examples of nation-states whose ethnic groups have been in conflict for thousands of years. Why are their gun crime rates so low compared to the USA? (why I wonder why ;))
Look at Europe. Before WWII ended, it was basically one endless battlefield since time immemorial. I read a statistic recently which said that the forty-six years between the end of WWII and the start of the Yugoslav conflicts was the longest time period in which Europe was at peace.
Mind-boggling isn't it?
I think the cultural-historical explanation of America's attitude towards guns is what the media use to deflect attention from their own role in the whole sordid mess.
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Question for the Amricans: does it really make you feel safer to have fire arms in your house ?
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You know Parker, I may have been too quick to signal agreement there. I'm not convinced by the usual cultural-historical argument.
There are so many examples of nation-states whose ethnic groups have been in conflict for thousands of years. Why are their gun crime rates so low compared to the USA? (why I wonder why ;))
Look at Europe. Before WWII ended, it was basically one endless battlefield since time immemorial. I read a statistic recently which said that the forty-six years between the end of WWII and the start of the Yugoslav conflicts was the longest time period in which Europe was at peace.
Mind-boggling isn't it?
I think the cultural-historical explanation of America's attitude towards guns is what the media use to deflect attention from their own role in the whole sordid mess.
What you reference is battlefield. Europe has had a lot of battles...but they were armies, or people drafted in the armies, and the bullshit of monarcies---Americans have a certain hatred for those, and them "telling us what to do". When you get right down to it, it's a mixture of things---culture, Rights, history, this is woven together into our fabric of being. Red, red, red. Look at every other former colony of Britian, they either speak with a quasi-English accent or are loyal to the queen. Americans are like "eff that", so it goes beyond guns.
When you come across the ocean to a hostile land, and have a us vs them mentality with a lot of the "locals", when you believe in Manifest Destiny, when you believe in those English Pricks over there want to tell us what to do, and tax us without representation...and so on, and so forth, plus the fact that in the biginning we had militias, a bunch of rag tag group of people who had guns for hunting and protection, it starts the formulation of a certain "recipe", all you need is to change it up a little bit, and even the best apple pie can tuen out different.
And let's not start with the conquest of Latin America...
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What you reference is battlefield. Europe has had a lot of battles...but they were armies, or people drafted in the armies, and the bullshit of monarcies---Americans have a certain hatred for those, and them "telling us what to do". When you get right down to it, it's a mixture of things---culture, Rights, history, this is woven together into our fabric of being. Red, red, red. Look at every other former colony of Britian, they either speak with a quasi-English accent or are loyal to the queen. Americans are like "eff that", so it goes beyond guns.
When you come across the ocean to a hostile land, and have a us vs them mentality with a lot of the "locals", when you believe in Manifest Destiny, when you believe in those English Pricks over there want to tell us what to do, and tax us without representation...and so on, and so forth, plus the fact that in the biginning we had militias, a bunch of rag tag group of people who had guns for hunting and protection, it starts the formulation of a certain "recipe", all you need is to change it up a little bit, and even the best apple pie can tuen out different.
And let's not start with the conquest of Latin America...
Yes, that's a quite superlative argument.
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Haha keep repeating yourself to oblivion, morons always do that when they're cornered ;) knives have ten times the applicability of guns.
And look who's talking about bias. I haven't spent ten years of my life in an internet feud defending a bodybuilder only to finally admit I was all that time, hopelessly besotted with him ;)
Haha keep repeating yourself to oblivion, morons always do that when they're cornered ;) knives have ten times the applicability of guns.
Corned ? you're the idiot who typed he had an ' automatic assault rifle ' then bitched & moaned when people pointed out you don't know what you're talking about. and then said firearms aren't multi-purpose and once again I pointed out you're wrong and elaborated on how many purposes firearms are used for.
Your response when called on your ignorance again? cry like a baby and call people morons , that's textbook projection at it's finest. Like I said before keep typing and I will keep pointing out how wrong you are.
And look who's talking about bias. I haven't spent ten years of my life in an internet feud defending a bodybuilder only to finally admit I was all that time, hopelessly besotted with him ;)
Awwwwwwwwwwww someone is getting frustrated and can't handle getting exposed for being dumb and now tried to divert the topic to something totally unrelated. ;D
keep digging yourself a deeper hole kid ;)
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Does anyone apart from me wants to murder uberman every time you read his post? This guy is unreal, epitome of narrow mindness. He reminds me of my teachers in primary school who used to reprimand me for things like "throwing bread to the basket" because "bread is sacred". I was brought up in well-educated, quite liberal (not leftist, just open minded and questioning everything) family and when I see people like him, so fucking delusional and brainwashed with this christian bullshit I cannot help but fucking RAGE.
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Does anyone apart from me wants to murder uberman every time you read his post? This guy is unreal, epitome of narrow mindness. He reminds me of my teachers in primary school who used to reprimand me for things like "throwing bread to the basket" because "bread is sacred". I was brought up in well-educated, quite liberal (not leftist, just open minded and questioning everything) family and when I see people like him, so fucking delusional and brainwashed with this christian bullshit I cannot help but fucking RAGE.
There may be SMM-style pwnage in his future ;)
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Anyone else lol at this ???
Just me?
Carry on.....
LOL
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Question for the Amricans: does it really make you feel safer to have fire arms in your house ?
He does and if he didn't he'd be dead.
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This psychopath rigged his entire apartment to explode and planned this for months.
Does anyone seriously believe another law would have prevented this monster from committing this terroristic attack?
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you missed it. 2 things before i explain. first is that i agree with you, lunatics will not be stopped. this guy will have found a way to get some murders done that night if not with a gun....but how many would have survived if it were a knife? the process is a lot more slower, and yes some will have been dead, but you have a better chance of (1) having less dead in that cinema and (2) if you were the one being attacked, have a better chance of fending off your attacker as opposed to someone taking aim at you with a gun from a distance away.
This is not the point I want to make and anyone wanting to compare knives to guns will get annihilated in this argument. Lets leave it there.
The point is, "guess the country." Why is everyone so good at this game when a headline like this is mentioned without anything said about which country it happened in? Why will someone be correct almost all the time? What's with that?
Guess the country? because people have a preconceived notion of America as this super-violent place and in the scheme of things a lot of other places are ahead of us but you don't hear that do you? the media is to blame partly these sensational stories sell
The average international homicide rate , North America isn't even in the top 10
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This psychopath rigged his entire apartment to explode and planned this for months.
Does anyone seriously believe another law would have prevented this monster from committing this terroristic attack?
And if guns all magically disappeared do they think this wouldn't have happened? of course they do. but the reality is he would have found another way. He planned this attack for months he wasn't going to be denied
Guns aren't the problem it's lunatics
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Corned ? you're the idiot who typed he had an ' automatic assault rifle ' then bitched & moaned when people pointed out you don't know what you're talking about. and then said firearms aren't multi-purpose and once again I pointed out you're wrong and elaborated on how many purposes firearms are used for.
Your response when called on your ignorance again? cry like a baby and call people morons , that's textbook projection at it's finest. Like I said before keep typing and I will keep pointing out how wrong you are.
Awwwwwwwwwwww someone is getting frustrated and can't handle getting exposed for being dumb and now tried to divert the topic to something totally unrelated. ;D
keep digging yourself a deeper hole kid ;)
Bwahahaha look at you breaking up my post into quotes to take things out of context... what's the matter champ, can't you write in paragraphs? You're an amateur, ND. A ham-radio enthusiast. Fuck off back to your Kennedy assassination forums ;)
Knives don't have as many uses as firearms. I will grant you their use in niche compeitions- just so you can sleep at night ;) Otherwise my posts are spot on, and comparing knives with firearms is vacuous, despite your second-rate straw man attemps ;)
Is your bias totally unrelated? You argue from an emotional basis all the time:
You're a yank- I'm not
You own guns- I don't
You've nurtured a long-term erotic fascination with the body of Dorian Yates- I haven't :)
You clown.
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He does and if he didn't he'd be dead.
How do you know they wanted to kill him?
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How do you know they wanted to kill him?
Running in with masks firing shots , how do I know? take a wild guess.
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Running in with masks firing shots , how do I know? take a wild guess.
That's my point you don't know. And the video says the shots came from the owner. Maybe they wanted to rob him?
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Bwahahaha look at you breaking up my post into quotes to take things out of context... what's the matter champ, can't you write in paragraphs? You're an amateur, ND. A ham-radio enthusiast. Fuck off back to your Kennedy assassination forums ;)
Knives don't have as many uses as firearms. I will grant you their use in niche compeitions- just so you can sleep at night ;) Otherwise my posts are spot on, and comparing knives with firearms is vacuous, despite your second-rate straw man attemps ;)
Is your bias totally unrelated? You argue from an emotional basis all the time:
You're a yank- I'm not
You own guns- I don't
You've nurtured a long-term erotic fascination with the body of Dorian Yates- I haven't :)
You clown.
Bwahahaha look at you breaking up my post into quotes to take things out of context... what's the matter champ, can't you write in paragraphs? You're an amateur, ND. A ham-radio enthusiast. Fuck off back to your Kennedy assassination forums ;)
you're boring me more-and-more :-\
Knives don't have as many uses as firearms. I will grant you their use in niche compeitions- just so you can sleep at night ;) Otherwise my posts are spot on, and comparing knives with firearms is vacuous, despite your second-rate straw man attemps ;)
yeah spot-on , he was firing an ' automatic assault rifle ' ::) guns aren't multi-purposed ::)
Is your bias totally unrelated? You argue from an emotional basis all the time:
You're a yank- I'm not
You own guns- I don't
You've nurtured a long-term erotic fascination with the body of Dorian Yates- I haven't :)
You clown.
You're not even any good at trolling :-\ at least Hulkster was
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That's my point you don't know. And the video says the shots came from the owner. Maybe they wanted to rob him?
Of course they wanted to rob him and who begins shooting? the guys running into the house. Whenever someone is running towards you firing a gun it's evident they don't care if you live.
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I mean, anyone arguing that lunatics wouldn't be able to do their thing if enough laws were passed, need to take a look at Brevik.
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Question for the Amricans: does it really make you feel safer to have fire arms in your house ?
Even if gun ownership were not allowed in the USA, the criminals would all still have guns.
The border with Mexico and other South American countries smuggling the weapons in makes it easy. Also, criminals choose to use illegal weapons as they cannot be traced.
One has to look at the situation individually and not care compare it to the realities of one's own foreign country which has a different history, borders, neighbouring states etc.
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Of course they wanted to rob him and who begins shooting? the guys running into the house. Whenever someone is running towards you firing a gun it's evident they don't care if you live.
Maybe they care to intimidate rather than outright kill? How do you know what the robbers' intentions were?
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you're boring me more-and-more :-\
hahahaha
In other words, I'm scared please stop :'(
Run away, old man.
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Maybe they care to intimidate rather than outright kill? How do you know what the robbers' intentions were?
They're in your house with a gun.
Their intentions are not good.
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They're in your house with a gun.
Their intentions are not good.
Sure they're not, but ND claimed his gun saved his life. So, how does he know those guys were there to kill, as oppose to rob?
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Sure they're not, but ND claimed his gun saved his life. So, how does he know those guys were there to kill, as oppose to rob?
Sorry, if a dude comes into my house with a gun, you have to assume his intention is to kill you.
You dont assume the best, you assume the worst.
Anyway, this thread has jumped the shark.
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Sorry, if a dude comes into my house with a gun, you have to assume his intention is to kill you.
You dont assume the best, you assume the worst.
Anyway, this thread has jumped the shark.
key word: assume.
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Question for the Amricans: does it really make you feel safer to have fire arms in your house ?
Yes. I sleep with a gun less than a foot away and have a firearm on each of my three floors if I need one.
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key word: assume.
Dude, a man is breaking into your house with a gun.
Your argument in this case, even though youre playing devils advocate, is stupid.
You dont assume he's breaking into your house with a firearm just to have have a beer with you.
Intruder armed with firearm = possibility of deadly force
Deadly force = respond with deadly force.
Its that simple. Maybe you guys tolerate other people breaking into your house and you just sit on your ass, but we dont.
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Maybe they care to intimidate rather than outright kill? How do you know what the robbers' intentions were?
How do I know what the robber's intentions were? how do you know what they weren't? and I already answered the question, someone running at you with a mask on firing a gun in your direction doesn't care if you live
we can speculate all day on what their intentions were but the law allows people who feel in danger for their lives to stop the threat and that's what he did.
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How do I know what the robber's intentions were? how do you know what they weren't? and I already answered the question, someone running at you with a mask on firing a gun in your direction doesn't care if you live
we can speculate all day on what their intentions were but the law allows people who feel in danger for their lives to stop the threat and that's what he did.
Not only that, but you dont stake your life on trying to guess his assumptions, you automatically assume the worst in that situation and react accordingly.
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Sorry, if a dude comes into my house with a gun, you have to assume his intention is to kill you.
You dont assume the best, you assume the worst.
Anyway, this thread has jumped the shark.
Yeah when Raymondo started trolling :-\
not only comes into your house but comes running in with a gang of mask degenerates firing. I love people like him who would just take their chances and bend over it's called culling the herd
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Nobody belongs on your property unless you invite them there.
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Yeah when Raymondo started trolling :-\
not only comes into your house but comes running in with a gang of mask degenerates firing. I love people like him who would just take their chances and bend over it's called culling the herd
Its quite clear that Raymondo does not own his own house or have property to speak of that would require protection. I bet he lives in some derelict apartment rental that may or may not have a maintenance man that doubles as a "security guard".
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Dude, a man is breaking into your house with a gun.
Your argument in this case, even though youre playing devils advocate, is stupid.
You dont assume he's breaking into your house with a firearm just to have have a beer with you.
Intruder armed with firearm = possibility of deadly force
Deadly force = respond with deadly force.
Its that simple. Maybe you guys tolerate other people breaking into your house and you just sit on your ass, but we dont.
I wasn't even criticising the owner's choice to fire back. Just ND's (must stand for Delusional Nutsack only backwards) ability to judge criminal intentions ;)
HTH
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Not only that, but you dont stake your life on trying to guess his assumptions, you automatically assume the worst in that situation and react accordingly.
Exactly , let's just hope for the best :-\ I hope these people don't have families that rely on them for protection.
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How do I know what the robber's intentions were? how do you know what they weren't? and I already answered the question, someone running at you with a mask on firing a gun in your direction doesn't care if you live
we can speculate all day on what their intentions were but the law allows people who feel in danger for their lives to stop the threat and that's what he did.
But we're not talking about speculation here, are we?
You asserted with almighty certainy that the gun SAVED HIS LIFE.
Backpedalling, wanker?
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But we're not talking about speculation here, are we?
You asserted with almighty certainy that the gun SAVED HIS LIFE.
Backpedalling, wanker?
Was he also firing an ' automatic assault rifle ' ? ;)
and it did people were firing at him and if he didn't fire back he would be dead. We know they were firing at him cased closed , you can't argue that. here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D
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But we're not talking about speculation here, are we?
You asserted with almighty certainy that the gun SAVED HIS LIFE.
Backpedalling, wanker?
Wasting your time. Americans have long ago accepted these kinds of events as the price they are willing to pay for the availability of firearms. It was, after all, a country formed and shaped by revolution. :-\
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I wasn't even criticising the owner's choice to fire back. Just ND's (must stand for Delusional Nutsack only backwards) ability to judge criminal intentions ;)
HTH
Ah. Fair enough.
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Was he also firing an ' automatic assault rifle ' ? ;)
and it did people were firing at him and if he didn't fire back he would be dead. We know they were firing at him cased closed , you can't argue that. here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D
For all you know the kid could have been shooting at a door. The video doesn't show.
Keep clinging to your guns, old man. Must be a convenient source of virility for you ::)
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Wasting your time. Americans have long ago accepted these kinds of events as the price they are willing to pay for the availability of firearms. It was, after all, a country formed and shaped by revolution. :-\
These event's aren't acceptable and would happen regardless if firearms weren't available to anyone at any time.
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here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D
Well knock me down with a feather.
Care to explain to me what makes you qualified to make such a statement?
Have you ever been in a "situation"?
I thought you've only "fired at paper".
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For all you know the kid could have been shooting at a door. The video doesn't show.
Keep clinging to your guns, old man. Must be a convenient source of virility for you ::)
For all you know he could have been shooting at a human. The video doesn't show that. how about we comment on what we do know. They all had guns and started a home invasion with firing into a home , that's grounds to protect yourself.
We can talk hypotheticals all day , what if he was shooting at a door and a child was standing behind it? let's talk about what happened they invaded his home and he stopped it via firearms , you can't argue that
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Well knock me down with a feather.
Care to explain to me what makes you qualified to make such a statement?
Have you ever been in a "situation"?
I thought you've only "fired at paper".
LMFAO they law states that , dummy. If you feel in fear for your life and the life of others you have the right to use lethal force. A man invading your home firing at gun into it is textbook example of the legal right to use lethal force.
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For all you know he could have been shooting at a human. The video doesn't show that. how about we comment on what we do know. They all had guns and started a home invasion with firing into a home , that's grounds to protect yourself.
We can talk hypotheticals all day , what if he was shooting at a door and a child was standing behind it? let's talk about what happened they invaded his home and he stopped it via firearms , you can't argue that
But I wasn't contesting the owner's right to defend himself, you moron- haven't I already said this?
What I was contesting is your certainty as to those people's intentions- because you created an interpretation of what you think "happened" and manipulated it to assert that the owner's gun saved his life.
Stay on point or shut up, you fossil.
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LMFAO they law states that , dummy. If you feel in fear for your life and the life of others you have the right to use lethal force. A man invading your home firing at gun into it is textbook example of the legal right to use lethal force.
LOLOL you must be getting really desperate, your replies are getting more and more irrelevant. Ignoratio elenchi galore!
Have you ever been shot at? Does paper fire back?
What the fuck could you possibly know about what goes on in a real gunfight?
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But I wasn't contesting the owner's right to defend himself, you moron- haven't I already said this?
What I was contesting is your certainty as to those people's intentions- because you manipulated an interpretation of what you think "happened" to assert that that the owner's gun saved his life.
Stay on point or shut up, you fossil.
And I told you about the certainty of their intentions using the legal definition. You don't know what their intentions were either but assumed they may have been just shooting at a door ::) assuming that they might not have been really shooting at a human ::) you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that
A group of thugs start off a home invasion by firing into a guy's home they guy returns fire and stops the home invasion but we're wrong in claiming the firearm saved his life LMFAO what school of logic did you attend?
kid go away
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LOLOL you must be getting really desperate, your replies are getting more and more irrelevant. Ignoratio elenchi galore!
Have you ever been shot at? Does paper fire back?
What the fuck could you possibly know about what goes on in a real gunfight?
Irrelevant? hypocrite wanna bring up Dorian and Ronnie again? ;) or your ad hominem attacks in every post? like I said you're boring and not very bright
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And I told you about the certainty of their intentions using the legal definition. You don't know what their intentions were either but assumed they may have been just shooting at a door ::) assuming that they might not have been really shooting at a human ::) you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that
I haven't been assuming shit, gramps- you started this, remember?
A group of thugs start off a home invasion by firing into a guy's home they guy returns fire and stops the home invasion but we're wrong in claiming the firearm saved his life LMFAO what school of logic did you attend?
Haha nice inversion- except that's not all there was into it, was it?
Again, how do you know these guys were shooting to kill? You keep evading this in every possible way.
You don't know, you just made it up. Because it serves your purpose. Because you own a gun. And you just have to be right on this ::)
Haha, wanker.
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Irrelevant? hypocrite wanna bring up Dorian and Ronnie again? ;) or your ad hominem attacks in every post? like I said you're boring and not very bright
Nothing wrong with ad-hominem. Some people just ask for it. Schmoes will get it from me in every way.
Again, ND.
Have you ever been in a firefight?
Do paper targets shoot back?
(http://www.speedwelltargets.com/cart/images/speedwell/g52.jpg)
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Nothing wrong with ad-hominem. Some people just ask for it. Schmoes will get it from me in every way.
Again, ND.
Have you ever been in a firefight?
Do paper targets shoot back?
(http://www.speedwelltargets.com/cart/images/speedwell/g52.jpg)
Why should someone have to be involved in a gunfight before he or she can decide the proper course of action to take with a firearm? ???
Doesn`t really make any logical sense. ???
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I wasn't even criticising the owner's choice to fire back. Just ND's (must stand for Delusional Nutsack only backwards) ability to judge criminal intentions ;)
HTH
In NC, you don`t have to wait for someone to commit a crime on your property before you blast them. If you merely THINK they are going to commit a felony, (about to break into your house, car or outbuildings or fight you), you have full rights to shoot them. Its called the Castle Doctrine here.
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Why should someone have to be involved in a gunfight before he or she can decide the proper course of action to take with a firearm? ???
Doesn`t really make any logical sense. ???
I wrote that in response to ND's quote:
"here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D"
I assume a person qualified to make such a statement about what people mean to do when firing guns in general directions, must at least have some real world gun fight experience... no?
Or maybe you cunts have been watching too many John Wayne movies
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In NC, this also extends to your workplace. You can shoot anyone about to commit a felony at your workplace as well.
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I wrote that in response to ND's quote:
"here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D"
I assume a person qualified to make such a statement about what people mean to do when firing guns in general directions, must at least have some real world gun fight experience... no?
Or maybe you cunts have been watching too many John Wayne movies
???
Your point?
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In NC, this also extends to your workplace. You can shoot anyone about to commit a felony at your workplace as well.
Oh yeah? Sofuckingwhat? Could there be any States that take a different view?
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???
Your point?
That you should have stayed in school longer.
Assuming you went there in the first place.
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I haven't been assuming shit, gramps- you started this, remember?
Haha nice inversion- except that's not all there was into it, was it?
Again, how do you know these guys were shooting to kill? You keep evading this in every possible way.
You just don't know, you made it up. Because it served your purpose. Because you own a gun. And you just have to be right on this ;)
Haha, wanker.
I haven't been assuming shit, gramps- you started this, remember?
Sure you have when you assumed they might just be shooting at a door ::) or assumed we don't know their intentions.
Again, how do you know these guys were shooting to kill? You keep evading this in every possible way.
I don't have to know , and again how do you know they weren't? and it doesn't matter either way because the law allows you do defend yourself in this type of situation , the LAW assumes anyone running at you firing a gun is an imminent threat , so you're fuck either way. ;)
You just don't know, you made it up. Because it served your purpose. Because you own a gun. And you just have to be right on this ;)
Wrong see above , legally anyone invading your home firing a weapon is assumed a threat. regardless of what their ' true intentions ' might be
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AN ACT TO PROVIDE WHEN A PERSON MAY USE DEFENSIVE FORCE AND TO
AMEND VARIOUS LAWS REGARDING THE RIGHT TO OWN, POSSESS, OR
CARRY A FIREARM IN NORTH CAROLINA.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
SECTION 1. Article 14 of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes is amended by
adding the following new sections to read:
"§ 14-51.2. Home, workplace, and motor vehicle protection; presumption of fear of death
or serious bodily harm.
(a) The following definitions apply in this section:
(1) Home. – A building or conveyance of any kind, to include its curtilage,
whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or
immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed as a
temporary or permanent residence.
(2) Law enforcement officer. – Any person employed or appointed as a
full-time, part-time, or auxiliary law enforcement officer, correctional
officer, probation officer, post-release supervision officer, or parole officer.
(3) Motor vehicle. – As defined in G.S. 20-4.01(23).
(4) Workplace. – A building or conveyance of any kind, whether the building or
conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a
roof over it, including a tent, which is being used for commercial purposes.
(b) The lawful occupant of a home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to have
held a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or herself or another
when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to
another if both of the following apply:
(1) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of
unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a
home, motor vehicle, or workplace, or if that person had removed or was
attempting to remove another against that person's will from the home,
motor vehicle, or workplace.
(2) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an
unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or
had occurred.
(c) The presumption set forth in subsection (b) of this section shall be rebuttable and
does not apply in any of the following circumstances:
(1) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or
is a lawful resident of the home, motor vehicle, or workplace, such as an
owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic
violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that
person.
(2) The person sought to be removed from the home, motor vehicle, or
workplace is a child or grandchild or is otherwise in the lawful custody or
under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the defensive
force is used.
(3) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in, attempting to escape
from, or using the home, motor vehicle, or workplace to further any criminal
offense that involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against
any individual.
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Sure you have when you assumed they might just be shooting at a door ::) or assumed we don't know their intentions.
I don't have to know , and again how do you know they weren't? and it doesn't matter either way because the law allows you do defend yourself in this type of situation , the LAW assumes anyone running at you firing a gun is an imminent threat , so you're fuck either way. ;)
Wrong see above , legally anyone invading your home firing a weapon is assumed a threat. regardless of what their ' true intentions ' might be
I'm just going to reproduce my previous post, since you've regressed to childish levels and just repeat yourself ignoratio elenchi
get help, OCD is not a way to live.
HTH
I haven't been assuming shit, gramps- you started this, remember?
Haha nice inversion- except that's not all there was into it, was it?
Again, how do you know these guys were shooting to kill? You keep evading this in every possible way.
You don't know, you just made it up. Because it serves your purpose. Because you own a gun. And you just have to be right on this ::)
Haha, wanker.
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Nothing wrong with ad-hominem. Some people just ask for it. Schmoes will get it from me in every way.
Again, ND.
Have you ever been in a firefight?
Do paper targets shoot back?
Sure there is , it shows you have nothing to work with , like your ignorance on what an ' automatic assault rife ' is or when called on your bullshit looking to divert the topic away to irrelevant topics , you have nothing , you're very boring and unoriginal
And you already know the answer add rhetorical questions to your list of fails.
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(4) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement
officer or bail bondsman who enters or attempts to enter a home, motor
vehicle, or workplace in the lawful performance of his or her official duties,
and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance
with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should
have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law
enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her
official duties.
(5) The person against whom the defensive force is used (i) has discontinued all
efforts to unlawfully and forcefully enter the home, motor vehicle, or
workplace and (ii) has exited the home, motor vehicle, or workplace.
(d) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's home,
motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful
act involving force or violence.
(e) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force
and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person
against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully
acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman
identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force
knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail
bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.
(f) A lawful occupant within his or her home, motor vehicle, or workplace does not
have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section.
(g) This section is not intended to repeal or limit any other defense that may exist under
the common law.
"§ 14-51.3. Use of force in defense of person; relief from criminal or civil liability.
(a) A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to
the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to defend himself or
herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is
justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has
the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent
imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.
(2) Under the circumstances permitted pursuant to G.S. 14-51.2.
(b) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force
and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person
against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully
acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman
identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force
knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail
bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.
"§ 14-51.4. Justification for defensive force not available.
The justification described in G.S. 14-51.2 and G.S. 14-51.3 is not available to a person
who used defensive force and who:
(1) Was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of
a felony.
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself. However, the
person who initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself will
be justified in using defensive force if either of the following occur:
a. The force used by the person who was provoked is so serious that the
person using defensive force reasonably believes that he or she was
in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, the person using
defensive force had no reasonable means to retreat, and the use of
force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to the
person who was provoked was the only way to escape the danger.
b. The person who used defensive force withdraws, in good faith, from
physical contact with the person who was provoked, and indicates
clearly that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of SL2011-0268 Session Law 2011-268 Page 3
force, but the person who was provoked continues or resumes the use
of force."
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Sure there is , it shows you have nothing to work with , like your ignorance on what an ' automatic assault rife ' is or when called on your bullshit looking to divert the topic away to irrelevant topics , you have nothing , you're very boring and unoriginal
And you already know the answer add rhetorical questions to your list of fails.
Nevermind my "fails", have you ever fired at anything other than a paper target? If not, what exactly qualifies you to give insight into real life gunfight scenarios?
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In NC you don`t have to figure out what they are intending to shoot or where. You can blast them freely.
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ND here's a terrorist for you. Quick shoot him down!!!
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Look ND, a hoodie! Pull out your "automatic assault rifle", big man!
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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-justifiable-homicides-rise-with-Castle-3676412.php
Texas justifiable homicides rise with 'Castle Doctrine'
By Yang Wang and Dane Schiller
Updated 09:12 a.m., Monday, July 2, 2012
For $20.29 stolen from the tip jar of a Houston taco truck, 24-year-old Benito Pantoja was shot with a .357 Colt and killed.
The owner of Tacos Del Indio, parked near the Ship Channel, ran him down as he tried to escape with the cash, fired into the getaway car and hit Pantoja in the back.
The death was ruled a justifiable homicide, one of 48 involving citizens across Texas in 2010, with 27 in Houston, according to a Houston Chronicle analysis of FBI data.
Since Texas in 2007 expanded its "Castle Doctrine" - in some states known as "Stand Your Ground" - justifiable killings have steadily increased, from 32 statewide in 2006 to 48 in the 2010, the Chronicle's review shows.
Texas law always has allowed deadly force against intruders and thieves to protect lives and property, but where it once required a duty to try to retreat if possible when facing imminent danger, it no longer does.
"Traditionally, if you felt your life was threatened, you could use deadly force to protect yourself, except if you could get away safely where nobody got hurt, then you were required to do that," said Sandra Thompson, a professor at the University of Houston Law Center.
The law always has allowed deadly force to protect your property, even $20.29 from a tip jar.
"Even if somebody is just stealing from your front yard, and they are not threatening anybody, (and) there's no threat of being hurt at all, you can kill them, if it's reasonably necessary protecting your property," Thompson added.
Killings by civilians long have piqued national outcries over the use of deadly force and whether it was necessary - or feigned to be necessary - to protect lives or property. Few have reached the fevered pitch of former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed Florida teenager as he walked to his cousin's house. Zimmerman, who was indicted, claims he was in fear for his life.
A range of emotions
About half of the killings in Texas occurred in the greater Houston area, the state's largest metropolis. Dallas, with nine, and San Antonio, with eight, also showed increases.
"Things police can't shoot you for, your fellow citizens can," said Marsha McCartney of the Texas Chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "This is just appalling."
Clashes with adrenaline flowing and deadly consequences leave a range of emotions in the aftermath; relatives of the dead question the bloodshed; those who did the killing wrestle with remorse, even if they had the right to use deadly force.
"I hate that the guy's life was taken, I really do," said Rodrick Batiste, a longshoreman who bolted awake when someone tripped his burglar alarm by kicking in the French doors to his backyard. "I try and tell people with the 'You should have shot him again' attitude, that it is not really what you think. If you haven't been there before, you don't know what type of feelings overtake you.
"It changed me. There is nothing cool about taking somebody's life."
On a dark winter morning, a naked Batiste grabbed his .38-caliber revolver from his bedside and charged to confront the home invader who was trying to steal his flat-screen television.
"Although I have all kinds of remorse, that doesn't change the world," Batiste said. "This type (of) thing is still out there, and you should be able to defend yourself and your property without the risk of turning into a victim, if not by the person trying to victimize you, then by the law."
Texas law goes further than other states in allowing deadly force not only to protect property, but also to stop rape, arson, burglary, robbery, theft at night and criminal mischief at night.
Castle Doctrine
A grand jury in Lavaca County in June declined to indict a 5-year-old girl's father who found a man molesting her behind a barn in Shiner - and beat him to death. The father, the grand jury determined, was within his right to use deadly force to protect his daughter.
In Houston early Friday, a 19-year-old convenience store clerk shot and killed a 52-year-old man who stole beer, according to police. The matter remains under investigation, but the clerk was not arrested.
In Texas and elsewhere, each time someone is shot dead with a claim of self-defense, a grand jury must decide if an indictment is warranted. However, deliberations by grand juries are secret and the basis of their decisions is seldom public.
The Chronicle also examined times of death, gender and race of both the shooters and the dead. Citizen shootings most often happen after dark, and involve a male shooting a handgun during a home invasion.
The person doing the killing is most often a minority, as is the person killed, according to the Chronicle analysis.
But the exchanges play out in an array of settings: From the taco truck parked on the corner of a street packed with tiny cantinas to the outside of a liquor store in Montrose, from the bedroom of a one-story house in northwest Houston to a gentrifying neighborhood northeast of downtown where townhouses tower over decaying shacks.
"The Castle Doctrine is now the law, and this is Texas," said Harris County District Attorney Pat Lykos. "If someone is invading your home or your place of business, you should not be obligated to retreat.
"At the same time, people should never seek a confrontation," she said.
'A losing situation'
Mark Brown had just returned home from a morning trip to the grocery store when he realized his home was being burglarized. He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun, headed to the bedroom, where he saw his rings, watches, cuff links and bracelets piled in the middle of a bed. He heard a noise in the closet behind the closed door and fired one shot. As the thief pushed the door open, Brown fired off more blasts, killing the man. Holes were blown in the wall behind the body, blood splattered on clothes in the closet.
"It was a horrible experience, I just want to put it behind me," Brown said. "I hated it happened. For him, it wasn't worth it. For me, it wasn't worth it - a losing situation for both people."
Brown even had a note by his back windows warning would-be burglars. "My neighborhood was getting rough. I was giving people a warning that whatever was going to happen, was going to happen," he said.
Emotions also run raw for those who lose family.
"Nobody knows what happened because my son has already gone," said Edyth Moss, the mother of David McDaniel, who was shot and killed by a cab driver during a fight touched off by an argument over change.
"But they know he didn't have a weapon. He didn't have a knife. He didn't have a gun."
Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman is among a handful of lawmakers who voted against the Castle Law amendment back in 2007. He calls it the "shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later" law.
"Some people call them 'justifiable homicide,' but it's not justifiable, it's the law (that) made something that's wrong legal," Coleman said.
Batiste, who shot the man who broke into his townhouse, said he's prayed a lot about what happened and has considered reaching out to the dead man's family.
"I'd just tell them I am sorry for their loss, I didn't mean for it to go that way," he said. "I did want to stop him from doing what he was doing. I did not mean to take his life."
yang.wang@chron.comdane.schiller@chron.com
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I wrote that in response to ND's quote:
"here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die. :D"
I assume a person qualified to make such a statement about what people mean to do when firing guns in general directions, must at least have some real world gun fight experience... no?
Or maybe you cunts have been watching too many John Wayne movies
Totally irrelevant. The law allows people to defend themselves others and their homes from armed invaders
And dummy firing a gun into a persons house while perpetrating a home invasion and isn't shooting ' in a general direction '
Keep trying to talk about what is viewed as criminal intent in a country you don't live in , I enjoy seeing you dig yourself deeper and deeper ;D
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Totally irrelevant. The law allows people to defend themselves others and their homes from armed invaders
And dummy firing a gun into a persons house while perpetrating a home invasion and isn't shooting ' in a general direction '
Keep trying to talk about what is viewed as criminal intent in a country you don't live in , I enjoy seeing you dig yourself deeper and deeper ;D
In States like mine and Texas, they don`t even have to threaten you for you to be able to shoot and kill them. If they are taking anything out of your yard, you have full right to shoot them, no questions asked.
Its really a good law and has really done a lot to curtail theft and home invasions.
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Nevermind my "fails", have you ever fired at anything other than a paper target? If not, what exactly qualifies you to give insight into real life gunfight scenarios?
Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill. ;D
A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO
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Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill. ;D
A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO
Hahahhaha, Still not answering the question.
Have you ever been in a gunfight? I'm assuming by the insight you've given into this whole thing that you surely must have. You know exactly what the criminals wanted to do and exactly what the appropriate response of the owner should have been!
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Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill. ;D
A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO
In NC just like in Texas, the moment they entered your yard, you could have shot them one by one and be protected by Castle Doctrine. Doesn`t matter if they have guns drawn or any weapons at all. This totally invalidates Raymondo`s arguments.
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Hahahhaha, Still not answering the question.
Have you ever been in a gunfight? I'm assuming by the insight you've given into this whole thing that you surely must have. You know exactly what the criminals wanted to do and exactly what the appropriate response of the owner should have been!
Legally, you don`t have to know what a criminal intends to do in order to shoot them. Don`t you understand that?
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In NC just like in Texas, the moment they entered your yard, you could have shot them one by one and be protected by Castle Doctrine. Doesn`t matter if they have guns drawn or any weapons at all. This totally invalidates Raymondo`s arguments.
I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.
Brutal reasoning powers ;D
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I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.
Brutal reasoning powers ;D
Arizona also has Castle Doctrine so your argument is still totally irrelevant.
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Legally, you don`t have to know what a criminal intends to do in order to shoot them. Don`t you understand that?
For the third time... I'm not saying anything againt the owner shooting at those people.
I was just curious as to how Delusional Nutsack knew exactly what they wanted to do!
Why do you keep changing the subject?
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I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.
Brutal reasoning powers ;D
http://azccwpermit.com/?cat=5
What is the "Castle Doctrine" and does it apply in Arizona?
January 19, 2010 Castle Doctrine, State Firearms Laws, Use of Force Issues No Comments
Question: What is the “Castle Doctrine” and does it apply in Arizona?
Answer: The “Castle Doctrine” or “Defense of Habitation” laws are a legal concept that derive from English Common Law. Under this concept, one’s place of residence is considered to be a place where a person is protected against illegal trespass and violent attack. In most states, it provides for the legal right to use deadly force to defend one’s home and any innocent persons inside the home. It also provides that this same deadly force can be used to defend against an illegal intrusion into the home that may lead to a violent attack.
In Arizona, we do have a “Castle Doctrine”. It applies to a person’s residence or workplace, which may be either permanent or temporary. The doctrine would apply not only to your permanent home, but would also apply to a hotel room that you might be temporarily treating as “home”. In Arizona, the doctrine extends to your vehicle as well, if an attempt is being made to remove you from your vehicle by force.
Some have referred to this doctrine as the “Make My Day Law”. This reference comes from the 1983 movie “Sudden Impact” and was part of a challenge delivered to a criminal about to be apprehended by Detective Harry Callahan, a character in the movie played by Clint Eastwood.
In general, the following conditions must apply if the Castle Doctrine is to be used in claiming justifiable homicide:
The intruder must be attempting to or have made unlawful and forcible entry into an occupied home, business or vehicle.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that the intruder is entering with the intention of committing a felony crime such as burglary.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that they are in danger of serious injury or death at the hands of the intruder.
The occupants must be innocent of any provocation and cannot have instigated the intrusion or initiated the event by a threat of deadly force.
Some states have stronger laws supporting a Castle Doctrine, while others have weaker ones. Arizona has a strong Castle Law and follows the conditions above in applying their law. Additionally, in Arizona, a person is legally able to “stand their ground” in the face of an attack and is under no obligation to retreat prior to using deadly force in self defense.
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I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.
Brutal reasoning powers ;D
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Arizona also has Castle Doctrine so your argument is still totally irrelevant.
My argument wasn't about whether the owner was within his rights to shoot those people. HTH.
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http://azccwpermit.com/?cat=5
What is the "Castle Doctrine" and does it apply in Arizona?
January 19, 2010 Castle Doctrine, State Firearms Laws, Use of Force Issues No Comments
Question: What is the “Castle Doctrine” and does it apply in Arizona?
Answer: The “Castle Doctrine” or “Defense of Habitation” laws are a legal concept that derive from English Common Law. Under this concept, one’s place of residence is considered to be a place where a person is protected against illegal trespass and violent attack. In most states, it provides for the legal right to use deadly force to defend one’s home and any innocent persons inside the home. It also provides that this same deadly force can be used to defend against an illegal intrusion into the home that may lead to a violent attack.
In Arizona, we do have a “Castle Doctrine”. It applies to a person’s residence or workplace, which may be either permanent or temporary. The doctrine would apply not only to your permanent home, but would also apply to a hotel room that you might be temporarily treating as “home”. In Arizona, the doctrine extends to your vehicle as well, if an attempt is being made to remove you from your vehicle by force.
Some have referred to this doctrine as the “Make My Day Law”. This reference comes from the 1983 movie “Sudden Impact” and was part of a challenge delivered to a criminal about to be apprehended by Detective Harry Callahan, a character in the movie played by Clint Eastwood.
In general, the following conditions must apply if the Castle Doctrine is to be used in claiming justifiable homicide:
The intruder must be attempting to or have made unlawful and forcible entry into an occupied home, business or vehicle.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that the intruder is entering with the intention of committing a felony crime such as burglary.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that they are in danger of serious injury or death at the hands of the intruder.
The occupants must be innocent of any provocation and cannot have instigated the intrusion or initiated the event by a threat of deadly force.
Some states have stronger laws supporting a Castle Doctrine, while others have weaker ones. Arizona has a strong Castle Law and follows the conditions above in applying their law. Additionally, in Arizona, a person is legally able to “stand their ground” in the face of an attack and is under no obligation to retreat prior to using deadly force in self defense.
My argument wasn't about whether the owner was within his rights to shoot those people. HTH.
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Don't change the subject. Of course he was within his rights to shoot home invades. It wasn't my point at all.
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Don't change the subject. Of course he was within his rights to shoot home invades. It wasn't my point at all.
Then precisely what the fuck is your argument?
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TA, I see you keep deleting and modifying your posts.
Are you sweating while you're doing this?
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TA, I see you keep deleting and modifying your posts.
Are you sweating while you're doing this?
???
What are you talking about limp wrist?
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Hahahhaha, Still not answering the question.
Have you ever been in a gunfight? I'm assuming by the insight you've given into this whole thing that you surely must have. You know exactly what the criminals wanted to do and exactly what the appropriate response of the owner should have been!
Keep asking questions you already know the answer to.
Again it's totally irrelevant if I have been in a gunfight to know what their intentions were , keep trying to divert to this subject when it bares NO relevance to what the law assumes and allows , especially in a country and state you don't live in , you're in way over your head kid and you know it. ;)
The law assumes anyone running into your house firing a gun in your direct as an imminent threat and you can use lethal force regardless of their ' true intentions '
I don't care what their intentions are you try to invade my home by firing at me I'm gonna try my hardest to kill you and get away with it. 8)
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???
What are you talking about limp wrist?
Haha, you impotent elven-eared troll ;)
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Keep asking questions you already know the answer to.
Again it's totally irrelevant if I have been in a gunfight to know what their intentions were , keep trying to divert to this subject when it bares NO relevance to what the law assumes and allows , especially in a country and state you don't live in , you're in way over your head kid and you know it. ;)
The law assumes anyone running into your house firing a gun in your direct as an imminent threat and you can use lethal force regardless of their ' true intentions '
I don't care what their intentions are you try to invade my home by firing at me I'm gonna try my hardest to kill you and get away with it. 8)
But you haven't answered the one question I've been asking.
Come on, bro. Give me an answer and I'll go away.
Not only that, I'll recongize you as my intellectual suzerain.
Have you ever shot at anything other than paper targets, or helpess animals?
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Keep asking questions you already know the answer to.
Again it's totally irrelevant if I have been in a gunfight to know what their intentions were , keep trying to divert to this subject when it bares NO relevance to what the law assumes and allows , especially in a country and state you don't live in , you're in way over your head kid and you know it. ;)
The law assumes anyone running into your house firing a gun in your direct as an imminent threat and you can use lethal force regardless of their ' true intentions '
I don't care what their intentions are you try to invade my home by firing at me I'm gonna try my hardest to kill you and get away with it. 8)
Its also irrelevant if they have a weapon or not. They enter your property, you believe they are about to commit a crime, you can shoot, no questions asked. They can be totally unarmed even.
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For the third time... I'm not saying anything againt the owner shooting at those people.
I was just curious as to how Delusional Nutsack knew exactly what they wanted to do!
Why do you keep changing the subject?
The same way you did, You elaborated on what they might have been thinking or doing but it's only okay when you do it ::) , hypocrite and change the subject? wanna bring up Dorian and Ronnie again hypocrite? ::)
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Right you turds, I'll leave you now to play with guns ;D
ND, your an intellectual midget and a schmoe- haha, so your arguments go down the toilet, anyway
TA, it's been a pleasure.
Raymondo, off!
Like I said you were in way over your head and was looking for a way out. and you were boring 20 posts ago.
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Like I said you were in way over your head and was looking for a way out. and you were boring 20 posts ago.
Haha, or maybe I crushed you to the point of tears- and not tears of boredom ;D boring is what trolls like you usually say when their internet identity gets threatened and they do 20 googles in a minute looking for "facts"
Have a nice evening, sweetcheeks ;)
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But you haven't answered the one question I've been asking.
Come on, bro. Give me an answer and I'll go away.
Not only that, I'll recongize you as my intellectual suzerain.
Have you ever shot at anything other than paper targets, or helpess animals?
LMFAO I don't want to be lumped in with your ' intellect ' ad hominem attacks , hypocrisy , arguments from ignorance , diversion , if this is what constitutes intelligence where you come from , keep it. I'm content in being a dumb American. ;D
And you know what they say about assumption? ;) ' helpless animals ' LMFAO I don't hunt , never hunted but respect those who do.
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Haha, or maybe I crushed you to the point of tears- and not tears of boredom ;D boring is what trolls like you usually say when their internet identity gets threatened and they do 20 googles in a minute looking for "facts"
Have a nice evening, sweetcheeks ;)
Opppsss I thought you were gone? ;) can't let it go huh? don't worry I have a gaggle of angry-trolls that follow me around trying to get me back lol you'll fit right in with the rest of the morons I destroyed 8)
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Is this the new ND vs Hulkster rivalry?
ND vs Raymondo?
Anything this thread is officially over.
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Is this the new ND vs Hulkster rivalry?
ND vs Raymondo?
Anything this thread is officially over.
Like Hulkster there never was a ' rivalry ' just a dummy who didn't like being told he was wrong. ;D
But hey what's Getbig without trolls?
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Does anyone apart from me wants to murder uberman every time you read his post? This guy is unreal, epitome of narrow mindness. He reminds me of my teachers in primary school who used to reprimand me for things like "throwing bread to the basket" because "bread is sacred". I was brought up in well-educated, quite liberal (not leftist, just open minded and questioning everything) family and when I see people like him, so fucking delusional and brainwashed with this christian bullshit I cannot help but fucking RAGE.
X2. Remember he's an extremist though...doesn't really express many true Christian values in his posts...it's all hate.
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Right you turds, I'll leave you now to play with guns ;D
ND, your an intellectual midget and a schmoe- haha, so your arguments go down the toilet, anyway
TA, it's been a pleasure.
Raymondo, off!
Really got a beat down via intelligent posts today didn't you, Champ? Good luck tomorrow
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Sorry, if a dude comes into my house with a gun, you have to assume his intention is to kill you.
You dont assume the best, you assume the worst.
Anyway, this thread has jumped the shark.
Exactly.
It's easy for people to start getting all theoretical about it, but at the end of day your own life and that of your family is what comes first.
Not the 'rights' of some criminal coming into your property to rob, murder, rape or all three.
Where I'm originally from, the victims get tortured and raped for hours in their houses before they're finally murdered with their arms and legs tied behind their backs.
Their are many cases of the children getting raped in front of their parents, babies raped to death, victims tortured by burning irons, boiling water from the kettle etc.
This is a reality. Not isolated cases, these are widespread everyday occurrences.
These types deserve no mercy.
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Exactly.
It's easy for people to start getting all theoretical about it, but at the end of day your own life and that of your family is what comes first.
Not the 'rights' of some criminal coming into your property to rob, murder, rape or all three.
Where I'm originally from, the victims get tortured and raped for hours in their houses before they're finally murdered with their arms and legs tied behind their backs.
Their are many cases of the children getting raped in front of their parents, babies raped to death, victims tortured by burning irons, boiling water from the kettle etc.
This is a reality.
These types deserve no mercy.
Are you from Detroit?
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Are you from Detroit?
I'm originally from South Africa.
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Still going ???
Lol
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Bullshit. The whole theater audience would have been killed by a hail of bullets from every direction fired by untrained idiots who didn't know who they should be shooting at. The ability to shoot a target doesn't mean shit in a crisis situation. More guns in that theater would have only made the situation worse.
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Exactly.
It's easy for people to start getting all theoretical about it, but at the end of day your own life and that of your family is what comes first.
Not the 'rights' of some criminal coming into your property to rob, murder, rape or all three.
Where I'm originally from, the victims get tortured and raped for hours in their houses before they're finally murdered with their arms and legs tied behind their backs.
Their are many cases of the children getting raped in front of their parents, babies raped to death, victims tortured by burning irons, boiling water from the kettle etc.
This is a reality. Not isolated cases, these are widespread everyday occurrences.
These types deserve no mercy.
South africa is an extreme.
Regardless it isn't a first world country, any comparison made with countries that aren't first world is utter nonsense.
Just think from the logic of a theif, if he can be shot for simply going into a place, wouldn't it make more sense to carry a gun to fire back?
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Bullshit. The whole theater audience would have been killed by a hail of bullets from every direction fired by untrained idiots who didn't know who they should be shooting at. The ability to shoot a target doesn't mean shit in a crisis situation. More guns in that theater would have only made the situation worse.
Bullshit, he would have never walked into that situation if he knew a shitload of people were armed.
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South africa is an extreme.
Regardless it isn't a first world country, any comparison made with countries that aren't first world is utter nonsense.
Just think from the logic of a theif, if he can be shot for simply going into a place, wouldn't it make more sense to carry a gun to fire back?
But the police have guns.
So if police don't have guns then criminals won't bother either...?
Once again, its easy to be theoretical about it and think that criminals will only be carrying guns because the house owners might have them.
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South africa is an extreme.
Regardless it isn't a first world country, any comparison made with countries that aren't first world is utter nonsense.
Just think from the logic of a theif, if he can be shot for simply going into a place, wouldn't it make more sense to carry a gun to fire back?
Raymongloid is a much better devils advocate, you're just plain dumb.
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Bullshit. The whole theater audience would have been killed by a hail of bullets from every direction fired by untrained idiots who didn't know who they should be shooting at. The ability to shoot a target doesn't mean shit in a crisis situation. More guns in that theater would have only made the situation worse.
You know how many people actually DO have training that carry firearms?
Usually the legal carriers have much more training than the criminals.
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But the police have guns.
So if police don't have guns then criminals won't bother either...?
Once again, its easy to be theoretical about it and think that criminals will only be carrying guns because the house owners might have them.
Police are a completely different story. Were talking about people trying doing the bulk of robberies and those that are the victims.
It creates a minature arms war, where you need to have a gun because they got a gun. It's a buildup, your in an arms war with someone with nothing to loose, it's utter nonsense.
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Raymongloid is a much better devils advocate, you're just plain dumb.
Than your a fucking idiot, I ain't dumb if you think this your clueless, at best you can say mis guided or misunderstood. I may not have an IQ of 160 like some of yous but I have thought things through.
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I ain't dumb
End of thread. Argument has been won by this statement fellas. See you all in the next WYHI thread.
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Police are a completely different story. Were talking about people trying doing the bulk of robberies and those that are the victims.
It creates a minature arms war, where you need to have a gun because they got a gun. It's a buildup, your in an arms war with someone with nothing to loose, it's utter nonsense.
You think the criminals don't want to be prepared for the police either...?
If I was a criminal I would want a gun firstly to scare the shit out of the victim and secondly to stop them dead in their tracks if they tried to stop me.
With a knife or their bare-hands, I wouldn't give a shit if they didn't have a "chance".
If they didn't have a gun it would just make my life easier and things a lot quicker.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
And if police didn't have guns it would be even better as a criminal. I don't buy the 'arms race' argument, police/security and criminals have been using weapons for hundreds or thousands of years.
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Than your a fucking idiot, I ain't dumb if you think this your clueless, at best you can say mis guided or misunderstood. I may not have an IQ of 160 like some of yous but I have thought things through.
It's "Then you're a fucking idiot, I'm not dumb..."
Retarded asshole. ::)
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TA so theoretically if you want to kill someone you can just invite them over for a cup of tea then shoot them as soon as they enter your property? sounds f'ed up. ;D
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TA so theoretically if you want to kill someone you can just invite them over for a cup of tea then shoot them as soon as they enter your property? sounds f'ed up. ;D
I think Homer tried this on Flanders.......
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I don't care what their intentions are you try to invade my home by firing at me I'm gonna try my hardest to kill you and get away with it. 8)
agree..... people invade homes even in countries where guns are illegal and people do find ways to deal with the threat.....
anyway like shockwave said difference in culture... seems like without a gun.... you dont feel secure...
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agree..... people invade homes even in countries where guns are illegal and people do find ways to deal with the threat.....
anyway like shockwave said difference in culture... seems like without a gun.... you dont feel secure...
You don't feel secure or have a false sense of security? Even with a gun it doesn't mean you're invincible but at least you have a chance.
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You don't feel secure or have a false sense of security. Even with a gun it doesn't mean you're invincible but at least you have a chance.
i get your point kind of... but making guns legal means sick twisted people have more access to it.... its not the law abiding people having guns thats the problem.... have you ever lived oustide the USA it just see you cant grasp that their other ways...
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Bullshit, he would have never walked into that situation if he knew a shitload of people were armed.
How the fuck do you know who is carrying and who isnt. The bigger question is how the fuck can a guy get something like an AK into a theatre.
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For all you panzie ass gun haters - this is how its done properly.
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i get your point kind of... but making guns legal means sick twisted people have more access to it.... its not the law abiding people having guns thats the problem.... have you ever lived oustide the USA it just see you cant grasp that their other ways...
Well the discussion is on the what happened in the US , this has nothing to do with what is going on elsewhere. and NO I haven;t lived outside of the US
The problem isn't the guns it's the lunatics if there were no guns what so ever he would have still killed a lot of people by some other means.
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Well the discussion is on the what happened in the US , this has nothing to do with what is going on elsewhere. and NO I haven;t lived outside of the US
The problem isn't the guns it's the lunatics if there were no guns what so ever he would have still killed a lot of people by some other means.
quite aware it happened in the states.....
again... ive live in a few places so i have more of an open on the subject so to speak....
understandably you were born into that perception of gun ownership so... i can appreciate your stndpoint to a degree
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TA so theoretically if you want to kill someone you can just invite them over for a cup of tea then shoot them as soon as they enter your property? sounds f'ed up. ;D
Not exactly.
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Also, I have been shot before in the leg. Entry/Exit wound by my friend on accident. We were at a party and he picked up a gun laying on the kitchen counter, after I had told him it was loaded and indeed a real
I like Adonis but this is Darwin award stuff right here
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Lets just call it for what it was. Lack of security. How can a guy go in and out of a security exit without anyone noticing? If you had metal detectors at the front entrance, and people covering the emergency exits, this nerd wouldn't have been able to do shit. Maybe it takes a wakeup call to tighten shit up.
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Lets just call it for what it was. Lack of security. How can a guy go in and out of a security exit without anyone noticing? If you had metal detectors at the front entrance, and people covering the emergency exits, this nerd wouldn't have been able to do shit. Maybe it takes a wakeup call to tighten shit up.
If that was implemented, then you'd be paying a silly amount for your movie ticket.
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If that was implemented, then you'd be paying a silly amount for your movie ticket.
Thats what taxes should be for.
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I like Adonis but this is Darwin award stuff right here
How was I supposed to know he was going to shoot me?
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How was I supposed to know he was going to shoot me?
Why was a loaded gun left on a table at a party,which I assume had alcohol being consumed?
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Shoot first, ask questions later.
This guy agrees
http://snews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/22/12890014-cop-shoots-and-kills-son-after-reportedly-mistaking-him-for-an-intruder?lite
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Than your a fucking idiot, I ain't dumb if you think this your clueless, at best you can say mis guided or misunderstood. I may not have an IQ of 160 like some of yous but I have thought things through.
Haha, "I'm smart too dammit!" is what this post screams. Fucking tard.
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Texas justifiable homicides rise with 'Castle Doctrine'
By Yang Wang and Dane Schiller
Updated 09:12 a.m., Monday, July 2, 2012
Good read, glad to know! Heading back in the right direction as far as gun laws go.
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Bullshit. The whole theater audience would have been killed by a hail of bullets from every direction fired by untrained idiots who didn't know who they should be shooting at. The ability to shoot a target doesn't mean shit in a crisis situation. More guns in that theater would have only made the situation worse.
Dumb
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have you ever lived oustide the USA it just see you cant grasp that their other ways...
Completely understandable, I believe there are other ways that can work. We do enjoy it our way though.
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i get your point kind of... but making guns legal means sick twisted people have more access to it.... its not the law abiding people having guns thats the problem.... have you ever lived oustide the USA it just see you cant grasp that their other ways...
True, there are other ways, no dig, but a co-worker of mine is friends with Jamaicans. One of the Jamaicans had said that effing someone up with a machete, is not rare there (Jamaica).
Also, in my area we have a lot of people from Central America, assaulting someone (killing them or maiming them is no problem to some---the criminals, or ones who feel wronged).
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Maybe each and everyone should have to do a Personality Assesment and some tests before even being allowed to get a Firearm, seems like it's too easy to get one in the United States of Amerigo Vespucci.
To see that you have a stable mind and are not deranged.
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Lets just call it for what it was. Lack of security. How can a guy go in and out of a security exit without anyone noticing? If you had metal detectors at the front entrance, and people covering the emergency exits, this nerd wouldn't have been able to do shit. Maybe it takes a wakeup call to tighten shit up.
Who is going to care even if he is noticed going outside the security exit? It's when he comes back in with all the gear and weapons is when people should care, but at that stage people are focused on the movie screen and not the emergency exit.
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True, there are other ways, no dig, but a co-worker of mine is friends with Jamaicans. One of the Jamaicans had said that effing someone up with a machete, is not rare there (Jamaica).
Also, in my area we have a lot of people from Central America, assaulting someone (killing them or maiming them is no problem to some---the criminals, or ones who feel wronged).
yup machete there are also lot of guns in back jamaica...
difference is a machete is a farming tool used as a weapon.... different to a gun which is a killing machine made FOR killing.. and openly accessible .. IMO too many people in the world for guns to be just readily availible for sle like that....
thankfully london isn't like that... but again it comes down to difference of culture.... do you have a gun?
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Maybe each and everyone should have to do a Personality Assesment and some tests before even being allowed to get a Firearm, seems like it's too easy to get one in the United States of Amerigo Vespucci.
To see that you have a stable mind and are not deranged.
Yes, I'm sure criminals will line up for that. ::)
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yup machete there are also lot of guns in back jamaica...
difference is a machete is a farming tool used as a weapon.... different to a gun which is a killing machine made FOR killing.. and openly accessible .. IMO too many people in the world for guns to be just readily availible for sle like that....
thankfully london isn't like that... but again it comes down to difference of culture.... do you have a gun?
Ever seen the movie (on DVD now) City of God? In the special features section, they are talking with the head of Rio's police, they show rows and rows of confisgated guns (like you are looking at the scene in the Matrix), he police chief says that when the US has a problem with drugs they went into another country, he said he has a problem with all the AMerican guns, and he'd like to go to the US to stop it.
No, I don't have a gun, been looking into getting a shotgun, Mak25 has given me suggestions. My folks grew up in a rural area and were around guns---rifles and shotguns. Primarily for hunting a protection.
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Maybe each and everyone should have to do a Personality Assesment and some tests before even being allowed to get a Firearm, seems like it's too easy to get one in the United States of Amerigo Vespucci.
To see that you have a stable mind and are not deranged.
Watch the show "Lock and Load". it's on Showtime.
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i dont get it, this dude is just a pure product of what happen to people who watch too much crap like these batman movies for decades.
He just identified himself with the joker character, ''some people just want to see the world burn'' ::) well looks like he took it a bit more seriously than most viewers.
Only degenerates watch these movies, they re all the same kind of losers, both killer and murdered people.
ONe thing for sure is true, parents bringing babies and young children out during the witching hour can't be mentally stable. In every city I've ever been at, the only people out during the witching hours are the crazy's.
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EYES TOO FAR APART OR TOO CLOSE IN SPELL TROUBLE,,,
That's the exact reason why Urijah Faber lost his UFC fight on Saturday. Creepy close set eyes of his.
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Ever seen the movie (on DVD now) City of God? In the special features section, they are talking with the head of Rio's police, they show rows and rows of confisgated guns (like you are looking at the scene in the Matrix), he police chief says that when the US has a problem with drugs they went into another country, he said he has a problem with all the AMerican guns, and he'd like to go to the US to stop it.
No, I don't have a gun, been looking into getting a shotgun, Mak25 has given me suggestions. My folks grew up in a rural area and were around guns---rifles and shotguns. Primarily for hunting a protection.
Why don't you already own a gun (if you don't mind me asking)
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'Dark Knight' Suspect Had An NIH Grant Given To 'Outstanding Neuroscientists'
Erin Fuchs|Jul. 22, 2012, 8:34 AM|15,571|20
More information is emerging about James Holmes, the quiet 24-year-old allegedly behind Friday's deadly shooting rampage at a Colorado screening of the latest Batman movie.
Holmes, a doctoral student at the University of Colorado at Denver, had won a neuroscience training grant from the National Institutes of Health, a university spokeswoman said early Sunday.
The grant was awarded to just six students at the school.
"The focus on the program is training outstanding neuroscientists who will make significant contributions to neurobiology," the school said.
Holmes decided to leave the school of his own accord in June, giving the university no reason for leaving the program, the spokeswoman said.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/james-holmes-nih-grant-2012-7#ixzz21RkfX717
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Why don't you already own a gun (if you don't mind me asking)
Never got around to it, wasn't that pressing,but for due to my work, and the ever increasing amount of criminal minded folk I believe it's time to get one.
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I see ...what a downward spiral ... Thing is over here the magoruty of guys who have pieces are petty thieves no point robbing with a gun for small change when there us a chance to be caught 5 yrs and a year for each round...dude with a gun is either selling white or brown or keeps it for beef ... In America virtually anyone can own a gun ... That's deep
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We are humans and we fuck up alllll the time. There are plenty of people who are really dumb, irrational and angry who don't have criminal records. The majority of people are irrational and act out of character at times. We are not always in control think about belief in religion, gambling and ways people do really stupid things. Giving people access to guns whom will use on the basis of emotion rather than law enforcement is absolutely crazy. Legalize crystal meth while you are at it. Put it on your supermarket shelves so people can access it while they are in a manic state or in a somber.
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We are humans and we fuck up alllll the time. There are plenty of people who are really dumb, irrational and angry who don't have criminal records. The majority of people are irrational and act out of character at times. We are not always in control think about belief in religion, gambling and ways people do really stupid things. Giving people access to guns whom will use on the basis of emotion rather than law enforcement is absolutely crazy. Legalize crystal meth while you are at it. Put it on your supermarket shelves so people can access it while they are in a manic state or in a somber.
This
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Never got around to it, wasn't that pressing,but for due to my work, and the ever increasing amount of criminal minded folk I believe it's time to get one.
hahaha, white guys on here are so paranoid. i, too, have never owned a gun, use to go hunting, as a kid, in LA but that was it. Anyway, I was just living there with the high body count, as of late, and had no problems with the killers and thugs. I guess it's just my "G" for getbiggers.
being real for a moment, you know the guys, who are strapped, as they say, aren't really a problem, if you're nose is clean and are out just for the ladies. it's the clowns going postal in a grocery store parking over a woman, losing their jobs or a theater batman, who are more dangerous.
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Police shoot at Genuflect and some Mohicans
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Police shoot at Genuflect and some civilians
German Shep. of Peace
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Police shoot at Genuflect and some Mohicans
::)
Tasing little 90 lb fleeing girls isn't enough, so america's finest is capping b e a n e r babies now. are you sure that footage isn't from a third world shit hole?
yeah, she was already in the office, so she was a menace to society.
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some of what he says kinda make sense....
it wont change that is very true... because it cant
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some of what he says kinda make sense....
it wont change that is very true... because it cant
I agree he makes a lot of sense but let's not forget that it's a messed up situation to be in... Why take pride in something so destructive...? I'm not saying he does but several posters here certainly are.
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RIP :-[
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RIP :-[
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That's sad :'(
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I agree he makes a lot of sense but let's not forget that it's a messed up situation to be in... Why take pride in so destructive...? I'm not saying he does but several posters here certainly are.
Sacrifices have to be made for real freedom. It's sad but true. I couldn't live anywhere but the U.S.
You're more likely to be struck by lightening then killed in one of these mass shootings.
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I agree he makes a lot of sense but let's not forget that it's a messed up situation to be in... Why take pride in so destructive...? I'm not saying he does but several posters here certainly are.
very true this is why i said it will never change...
.. reffering to the part in bold.... I personally thinks its because a good percentage of them are scared.... without the guns... then they are victims..... the gun offers security.....
you know the guy who used to get beat up at school complex
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We are humans and we fuck up alllll the time. There are plenty of people who are really dumb, irrational and angry who don't have criminal records. The majority of people are irrational and act out of character at times. We are not always in control think about belief in religion, gambling and ways people do really stupid things. Giving people access to guns whom will use on the basis of emotion rather than law enforcement is absolutely crazy. Legalize crystal meth while you are at it. Put it on your supermarket shelves so people can access it while they are in a manic state or in a somber.
Wouldn't make a difference.
People who want meth will get it anyway...
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Was there no people with "carry" permits in the theater???
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Wouldn't make a difference.
People who want meth will get it anyway...
Thats not my point at all.
People who really want guns get them also whether its illegal or not.
I was highlighting how peoples decisions differ during emotional and perhaps even intoxicated states.. Those decisions may not even be reflective of their personality at large.
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Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012
As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…
Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target
When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.
Active Shooter Scenario Advice
Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.
Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.
For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.
In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.
Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.
How to use it in this situation?
I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”
Concealed Carry
If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.
Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.
Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.
For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.
Learn From an Expert
There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.
Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life
Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.
Don’t Be a Victim
Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.
The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.
A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.
My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.
-Brandon
Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.
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Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012
As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…
Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target
When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.
Active Shooter Scenario Advice
Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.
Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.
For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.
In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.
Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.
How to use it in this situation?
I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”
Concealed Carry
If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.
Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.
Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.
For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.
Learn From an Expert
There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.
Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life
Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.
Don’t Be a Victim
Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.
The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.
A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.
My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.
-Brandon
Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.
Those are some great tips but at the same time, can you imagine living life like that, always worried about potential terrorist attacks?
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WTF?
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Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012
As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…
Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target
When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.
Active Shooter Scenario Advice
Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.
Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.
For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.
In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.
Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.
How to use it in this situation?
I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”
Concealed Carry
If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.
Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.
Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.
For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.
Learn From an Expert
There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.
Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life
Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.
Don’t Be a Victim
Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.
The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.
A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.
My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.
-Brandon
Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.
People like to read such stories to comfort them- makes them feel like you could actually do a lot to avoid or get out of situations like this when in reality there is very little you could do. That is sad, but that's the reality. People saying that more guns would help in these situations are wrong- it would result in even more complete chaos
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No relation...
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Sacrifices have to be made for real freedom. It's sad but true. I couldn't live anywhere but the U.S.
You're more likely to be struck by lightening then killed in one of these mass shootings.
But there is almost zero chance of being struck by lightening in a movie theater.
Same with shark bites. Very rare for them to occur, but none at all by going to a movie.
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But there is almost zero chance of being struck by lightening in a movie theater.
Same with shark bites. Very rare for them to occur, but none at all by going to a movie.
I would rather have that risk then have my right to bear arms taken away from me.
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I would rather have that risk then have my right to bear arms taken away from me.
I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.
I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people. You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?
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I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.
I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people. You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?
And if the British had semi auto AR-15s at thwe time, the founders would have said the same thing as that was the tech at the time.
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I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.
I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people. You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?
The police have them! The military have them! That's exactly the point of the second amendment my friend! The second amendment wasn't put in place just for hunting arms! It's to protect us from tyranny!
There's millions of responsible gun owners in America. Why should we be punished for a few nutcases. If anything make the punishment for the lunatics more severe!
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And if the British had semi auto AR-15s at thwe time, the founders would have said the same thing as that was the tech at the time.
Exactly. Retard liberal logic.
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For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol
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For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol
Guns are pretty awesome.
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Exactly. Retard liberal logic.
I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.
You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.
A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people. The NRA can't find the nut-cases, so it's up to someone else to minimize the damage.
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For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol
Yeah - lets trust the same govt who armed mexican drug cartels resulting in the deaths of 200 mexicans and 2 dead border agents to ban civilian owning of weapons.
Sounds really smart right there. ::) ::)
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I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.
You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.
A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people. If the NRA can't find the nut-cases, then it's up to someone else.
It's a slippery slope man. Gun control=not good. What's going to stop a lunatic from getting a hi cap mag even if it's illegal?
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I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.
You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.
A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people. The NRA can't find the nut-cases, so it's up to someone else to minimize the damage.
They find the nutcases after a massacre or shooting
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They find the nutcases after a massacre or shooting
exactly.....
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I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.
You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.
A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people. The NRA can't find the nut-cases, so it's up to someone else to minimize the damage.
What if he burned down the place or tossed a dozen bearing/nail grenades into the theatre and killed 50 people?
Do we ban bearings and nails too?
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It's a slippery slope man. Gun control=not good. What's going to stop a lunatic from getting a hi cap mag even if it's illegal?
The idea is to make is as difficult as possible to find them by outlawing their manufacture and/or possession. Shouldn't be able to get it off of ebay.
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What if he burned down the place or tossed a dozen bearing/nail grenades into the theatre and killed 50 people?
Do we ban bearings and nails too?
Silly argument... Look at the murder stats in London where police don't even carry guns
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Silly argument... Look at the murder stats in London where police don't even carry guns
LOL - you want to know the real truth of the matter? If you took out black/hispanic murders - our crime rate would be close to that of europe.
Most of the murders in this country are committed by a small segment of the population.
Take those numbers away and things don't look so bad.
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What if he burned down the place or tossed a dozen bearing/nail grenades into the theatre and killed 50 people?
Do we ban bearings and nails too?
Just preferable not to have some nut able to shoot a hundred bullets in a few seconds into a crowd with little effort.
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Just preferable not to have some nut able to shoot a hundred bullets in a few seconds into a crowd with little effort.
Preferable....... LOL!!!!!
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Just preferable not to have some nut able to shoot a hundred bullets in a few seconds into a crowd with little effort.
This is a freak who spent months rigging his apartment for explosion.
You think a law would have deterred or stopped this nut? Please.
He would have done something just as bad if he could not get a gun.
Just like box cutters were illegal on planes on 9/11/2001, you can't stop someone hell bent on committing a terrorist act like this.
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fucking over reaction to guns. A bus driving down the freeway runs into the car in front killing 5 people including a baby. They don't argue about banning buses.
An Amtrack train derails killing 100+ people, no one tries to ban trains.
The fact is this guy wanted to kill people. The guns didn't do the killing, he did.
The fact is if his crappy gun didn't jam he would have killed more people and most likely himself.
It's too late to ban guns when stats show that there are more guns than people out there. Only the law abiding citizens would turn in their guns if gun control was inacted leaving every thugs and asshole with theirs.
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fucking over reaction to guns. A bus driving down the freeway runs into the car in front killing 5 people including a baby. They don't argue about banning buses.
An Amtrack train derails killing 100+ people, no one tries to ban trains.
The fact is this guy wanted to kill people. The guns didn't do the killing, he did.
The fact is if his crappy gun didn't jam he would have killed more people and most likely himself.
It's too late to ban guns when stats show that there are more guns than people out there. Only the law abiding citizens would turn in their guns if gun control was inacted leaving every thugs and asshole with theirs.
....and therefore the proliferation of arms should continue!
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....and therefore the proliferation of arms should continue!
Why not? Tens of millions of law abiding citizens have bought firearms like AR's AK's, etc since the The POFS was elected in 2008. Has there been a dramatic increase in gun violence by semi auto rifles commenserate w the massive increase in gun purchases?
No.
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Just preferable not to have some nut able to shoot a hundred bullets in a few seconds into a crowd with little effort.
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Complete ignorance. He didn't have an automatic weapon.
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i still dont own a firearm , but its on my list of things to buy next year, i was planning on getting Ar-15 this year, but My kegerator broke and had to get that up and running first ;D
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Guns don't kill people, People kill people.
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i still dont own a firearm , but its on my list of things to buy next year, i was planning on getting Ar-15 this year, but My kegerator broke and had to get that up and running first ;D
Expect to pay double now.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/this-map-of-chicagos-2012-homicides-shows-what-its-like-to-have-dozens-of-shootings-every-weekend-2012-7
Chicago has a near Auroro Colorado, EVERY WEEKEND, and yet the liberal panzie asses and Community Organizer Chicago Street Thug POTUS Obama and his kneepad crew in the MSM say nothing at all.
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Expect to pay double now.
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You guys can keep living in fear of some loonie who is armed to all hell letting loose I don't give a fvck blow ur selves all apart.... Hahhahah
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You guys can keep living in fear of some loonie who is armed to all hell letting loose I don't give a fvck blow ur selves all apart.... Hahhahah
I posted a video in this thread about the 1992 Riots and how the only people whose businesses did not get burned to the ground were the armed Koreans who shot back at the savages and locusts. Check it out.
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I posted a video in this thread about the 1992 Riots and how the only people whose businesses did not get burned to the ground were the armed Koreans who shot back at the savages and locusts. Check it out.
That's not what the Korean in "Do the Right Thing" did ;)
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Humans can be pretty fucked up.... Sometimes it takes bullets to skulls to realize that in their deathbeds
Oh but yes that pistol in ur safe means ur family is safe ::)
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That's not what the Korean in "Do the Right Thing" did ;)
:)
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Humans can be pretty fucked up.... Sometimes it takes bullets to skulls to realize that in their deathbeds
Oh but yes that pistol in ur safe means ur family is safe ::)
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Humans can be pretty fucked up.... Sometimes it takes bullets to skulls to realize that in their deathbeds
Oh but yes that pistol in ur safe means ur family is safe ::)
Are you really trolling or not? lol I can't tell
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LOL - you want to know the real truth of the matter? If you took out black/hispanic murders - our crime rate would be close to that of europe.
Most of the murders in this country are committed by a small segment of the population.
Take those numbers away and things don't look so bad.
The fuck kind of argument is that?
"Yeah, if remove etcetc from the statistics it ain't so bad huurdurrr"
Jesus christ ::) ::)
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The fuck kind of argument is that?
"Yeah, if remove etcetc from the statistics it ain't so bad huurdurrr"
Jesus christ ::) ::)
My argument is that murders like this are as rare and stastistically irrelevent at people getting struct by lightening in terms of the overall gin violence situation in the USA .
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ha!
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that's such a good rant, I should add it to the memorable quotes thread
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Are you really trolling or not? lol I can't tell
Not trolling pistols given to ppl who can use them while intoxicated and emotional lol what the fuck kind of law is that...
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My argument is that murders like this are as rare and stastistically irrelevent at people getting struct by lightening in terms of the overall gin violence situation in the USA .
That's an extremely narrow way of looking at it. You can't just ignore violence/crime statistics based on "race".
What are you trying to say, that white people are much better off than other ethnic groups and deservedly so?
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That's an extremely narrow way of looking at it. You can't just ignore violence/crime statistics based on "race".
What are you trying to say, that white people are much better off than other ethnic groups and deservedly so?
Yes. Blacks and hispanics commit the majority of violent crimes in the United States. Cold hard facts.
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That's an extremely narrow way of looking at it. You can't just ignore violence/crime statistics based on "race".
What are you trying to say, that white people are much better off than other ethnic groups and deservedly so?
No - because low income and poor whites do not commit the same level of violent crime as do equally poor other groups.
Is there a massive murder and gang problem in AR or WV? No, but of course they have other problems w drugs etc, no denying that.
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Yes. Blacks and hispanics commit the majority of violent crimes in the United States. Cold hard facts.
That's not what I'm arguing.
EDIT: Closet racists coming out of the woodwork, btw.
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That's not what I'm arguing.
EDIT: Closet racists coming out of the woodwork, btw.
Who is being closeted about anything? ;D ;D
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That's not what I'm arguing.
EDIT: Closet racists coming out of the woodwork, btw.
I looks at stats. If that makes me a racist cool. I don't give a fuck!
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Black and Hispanic population = Requirement for assault rifles
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I looks at stats. If that makes me a racist cool. I don't give a fuck!
lmao dude don't even try to deny that you're a racist son of a bitch, please.
At the end of the day you really don't care about the stats, your opinion stay the same with or without them. I don't really care either way but at least try to be honest about it, geez.
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Yeah, a society of all whites would live in harmony ::) Well maybe. Look at denmark and finland. But then again maybe it's too fucking cold to commit crime there.
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lmao dude don't even try to deny that you're a racist son of a bitch, please.
At the end of the day you really don't care about the stats, your opinion stay the same with or without them. I don't really care either way but at least try to be honest about it, geez.
STFU, blacks and b.eaners are a degenerate menace, fuck off now.
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"Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/
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lmao dude don't even try to deny that you're a racist son of a bitch, please.
At the end of the day you really don't care about the stats, your opinion stay the same with or without them. I don't really care either way but at least try to be honest about it, geez.
Racist doesn't that word get old to you. I always see you throwing that word around. Just makes me think your a coward and a pussy. Someone points out the truth that makes them a racist?
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"Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/
No shit. He needed to do research to see the obvious?
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No shit. He needed to do research to see the obvious?
Lol, was thinking the same thing.
Tighter gun control = less gun related deaths, no shit.
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Lol, was thinking the same thing.
Tighter gun control = less gun related deaths, no shit.
Chicago, DC, Detroit?
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Chicago, DC, Detroit?
Is Windsor as bad as Detroit? I'm thinking of moving there for affordable housing.
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Stricter gun control doesn't do shit. The places with the tightest control have the highest crime rates.
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"Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/
He's flat out wrong.
Chicago Homicide Rate Worse Than Kabul
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html
Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban
http://www.newsmax.com/JohnLott/Lott-guns-Chicago-crime/2010/05/06/id/358060
Same for D.C
EDITORIAL: Learning from the D.C. handgun ban
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/02/learning-from-the-dc-handgun-ban/
That increase in murder rates isn’t surprising. Every time gun bans have been tried anywhere, murder rates have risen. Whether one looks at Ireland, Jamaica or England and Wales, the experience has been the same. Not only did murder rates fail to decline as promised, but the rates actually increased following gun bans
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gotta love the koreans... when the shit hits... no more love you long time mister!!! :)
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So if he drove a big rig through the front door in a theater and killed 45 people. Would they ban big rigs?
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Lol, was thinking the same thing.
Tighter gun control = less gun related deaths, no shit.
Not true. who is doing the crimes? criminals , when they pass laws it'[s effects people who follow the law , so NO criminal is effected because by definition they don't follow laws.
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Chicago, DC, Detroit?
Exactly , don't forget Maryland
Fact: In 2000, 20% of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just six percent of the population
– New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C. – most of which have/had a virtual
prohibition on private handguns.
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Exactly , don't forget Maryland
Fact: In 2000, 20% of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just six percent of the population
– New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C. – most of which have/had a virtual
prohibition on private handguns.
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What kind of homicides are those usually? Drug deals gone bad?
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So if he drove a big rig through the front door in a theater and killed 45 people. Would they ban big rigs?
The problem is he broke so many laws already , making news ones wont change a thing. new legislation wont stop people who intend on breaking all laws , they don't follow laws.
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What kind of homicides are those usually? Drug deals gone bad?
Who knows? doesn't matter as all of those states have some of the most restrictive gun laws in this country and at the time Chicago and D.C had an outright BAN on handguns !!
Criminals don't care about laws and the only punish law-abiding people looking to protect themselves. Chicago and D.C ban guns , only criminals have them and the murder rate skyrockets
bans NEVER work
the entire country ban so-called ' assault rifles ' from 1994-2004 it was a gigantic failure that's why it wasn't renewed.
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The problem is he broke so many laws already , making news ones wont change a thing. new legislation wont stop people who intend on breaking all laws , they don't follow laws.
So what you're saying is don't make any laws, because lunatics who break laws will break them anyway
Makes sense ::)
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Who knows? doesn't matter as all of those states have some of the most restrictive gun laws in this country and at the time Chicago and D.C had an outright BAN on handguns !!
Criminals don't care about laws and the only punish law-abiding people looking to protect themselves. Chicago and D.C ban guns , only criminals have them and the murder rate skyrockets
bans NEVER work
the entire country ban so-called ' assault rifles ' from 1994-2004 it was a gigantic failure that's why it wasn't renewed.
Yeah I'm not arguing whether the laws work or not, I'm just curios if those homicides are mostly gang/thug vs. thug related... which would be a good thing I guess.
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Yeah I'm not arguing whether the laws work or not, I'm just curios if those homicides are mostly gang/thug vs. thug related... which would be a good thing I guess.
Most are drug/gang related
Then you have family members like spouses killing each other.
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You can't just freely give away guns for centuries and then say, umm no, guns are now illegal, turn them in. Can you picture a line of black thugs lining up in compton to turn their guns in? Umm no way. If anything most of these thugs would KNOW that they are less likely to get shot breaking into someone's home or robbing them on the street.
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Let's ban swimming pools :D
Op-ed piece on swimming pools vs. guns as the most dangerous weapon
hat’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? When it comes to children, there is no comparison: a swimming pool is 100 times more deadly.
In 1997 alone (the last year for which data are available), 742 children under the age of 10 drowned in the United States last year alone. Approximately 550 of those drownings — about 75 percent of the total — occurred in residential swimming pools. According to the most recent statistics, there are about six million residential pools, meaning that one young child drowns annually for every 11,000 pools.
About 175 children under the age of 10 died in 1998 as a result of guns. About two-thirds of those deaths were homicides. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the United States. Doing the math, there is roughly one child killed by guns for every one million guns.
Thus, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.
Don’t get me wrong. My goal is not to promote guns, but rather, to focus parents on an even greater threat to their children. People are well aware of the danger of guns and, by and large, gun owners take the appropriate steps to keep guns away from children. Public attitudes towards pools, however, are much more cavalier because people simply do not know the facts.
It takes thirty seconds for a child to drown. Infants can drown in water as shallow as a few inches. Child drownings are typically silent. As a parent, if you let your guard down for an instant, a pool (or even a bucket of water) may steal your child’s life.
The Consumer Products Safety Commission offers a publication detailing some simple steps for safeguarding pools (available on the internet at http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/359.pdf). The advice is mostly common sense. Included among the suggestions are installing fences that entirely surround the pool, putting locks on the gates, keeping house doors locked so toddlers cannot slip out of the house unmonitored, and installing power safety covers for the pool.
If every parent followed these steps, perhaps as many as 400 lives per year might be saved. This would be more lives saved than from two of the most successful safety-interventions in recent decades: the use of child car seats and the introduction of safer cribs. Potential lives saved from pool safety are far greater than from child-resistant packaging (an estimated 50 lives saved per year), keeping children away from airbags (less than 5 young children a year have been killed by air bags a year on average since their introduction), flame retardant pajamas (perhaps 10 lives saved annually), or safety drawstrings on children’s clothing (two lives saved annually). Simply stated, keeping your children safe around water is one of the single most important things a parent can do to protect a child.
As a father who has lost a son, I know first-hand the unbearable pain that comes with a child’s death. Amidst my grief, I am able to take some small solace in the fact that everything possible was done to fight the disease that took my son’s life. If my son had died in a backyard pool due to my own negligence, I would not even have that to cling to. Parents who have lost children would do anything to get their babies back. Safeguard your pool so you don’t become one of us.
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So what you're saying is don't make any laws, because lunatics who break laws will break them anyway
Makes sense ::)
Thanks for speaking for me. ::) No what I am saying is we already have over 20 thousand that cover just about everything
http://www.saf.org/default.asp?p=gunrights_faq#7
7. How many gun laws are there?
This depends wholly on what state you are living in. Because of our federal system of government, each state has a different set of laws regarding firearms. Some are very restrictive, others are not. There are also federal laws that apply to all of us, particularly regarding what types of weapons one can purchase, who can sell guns, and who is allowed to buy them. However, according to gun authority Bruce B. Biggs, there are roughly twenty thousand gun control-laws in the United States.
And yes pass more ' feel-good ' legislation that criminals don't ever intend to follow , makes perfect sense :D ::)
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If a product exists, the consumer will get to it regardless of the law. Governments have never been able to evaporate markets.
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Let's ban swimming pools :D
Op-ed piece on swimming pools vs. guns as the most dangerous weapon
hat’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? When it comes to children, there is no comparison: a swimming pool is 100 times more deadly.
In 1997 alone (the last year for which data are available), 742 children under the age of 10 drowned in the United States last year alone. Approximately 550 of those drownings — about 75 percent of the total — occurred in residential swimming pools. According to the most recent statistics, there are about six million residential pools, meaning that one young child drowns annually for every 11,000 pools.
About 175 children under the age of 10 died in 1998 as a result of guns. About two-thirds of those deaths were homicides. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the United States. Doing the math, there is roughly one child killed by guns for every one million guns.
Thus, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.
Don’t get me wrong. My goal is not to promote guns, but rather, to focus parents on an even greater threat to their children. People are well aware of the danger of guns and, by and large, gun owners take the appropriate steps to keep guns away from children. Public attitudes towards pools, however, are much more cavalier because people simply do not know the facts.
It takes thirty seconds for a child to drown. Infants can drown in water as shallow as a few inches. Child drownings are typically silent. As a parent, if you let your guard down for an instant, a pool (or even a bucket of water) may steal your child’s life.
The Consumer Products Safety Commission offers a publication detailing some simple steps for safeguarding pools (available on the internet at http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/359.pdf). The advice is mostly common sense. Included among the suggestions are installing fences that entirely surround the pool, putting locks on the gates, keeping house doors locked so toddlers cannot slip out of the house unmonitored, and installing power safety covers for the pool.
If every parent followed these steps, perhaps as many as 400 lives per year might be saved. This would be more lives saved than from two of the most successful safety-interventions in recent decades: the use of child car seats and the introduction of safer cribs. Potential lives saved from pool safety are far greater than from child-resistant packaging (an estimated 50 lives saved per year), keeping children away from airbags (less than 5 young children a year have been killed by air bags a year on average since their introduction), flame retardant pajamas (perhaps 10 lives saved annually), or safety drawstrings on children’s clothing (two lives saved annually). Simply stated, keeping your children safe around water is one of the single most important things a parent can do to protect a child.
As a father who has lost a son, I know first-hand the unbearable pain that comes with a child’s death. Amidst my grief, I am able to take some small solace in the fact that everything possible was done to fight the disease that took my son’s life. If my son had died in a backyard pool due to my own negligence, I would not even have that to cling to. Parents who have lost children would do anything to get their babies back. Safeguard your pool so you don’t become one of us.
For some reason Freakonomics tends be relevant in a lot of these threads.
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For some reason Freakonomics tends be relevant in a lot of these threads.
I wish everyone would read and follow those guys... Shame that the nation of sheep forgot how to read more than:
cant w8 4 2nite
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he wanted to be safe and clear from the dec. 21 2012 Zombie apocalypse
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I wish everyone would read and follow those guys... Shame that the nation of sheep forgot how to read more than:
cant w8 4 2nite
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Nah, the books are a fun read but I have read way too much criticism from people "in the know" to take them seriously anymore.
They might be right about a thing or two, but they are in no way conducting groundbreaking research.
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Nah, the books are a fun read but I have read way too much criticism from people "in the know" to take them seriously anymore.
They might be right about a thing or two, but they are in no way conducting groundbreaking research.
It's not about being "right", it's about critical thinking... Looking outside the box... Seeing things from a different perspective.
There's no guarantees on a lot of things, but if you take the time to think, maybe you'll see things from a different light... That's why I appreciate them.
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doctors probably had this dude on prozac since he was 12yrs old
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Yeah - lets trust the same govt who armed mexican drug cartels resulting in the deaths of 200 mexicans and 2 dead border agents to ban civilian owning of weapons.
Sounds really smart right there. ::) ::)
Not to mention the bringing in of illegal guns and drugs across their OWN borders...
And who arm 'liberation' fighters across the world while being allies with some of the worlds worst absolute monarchies and dictatorships and then working together with these regimes by arming terrorists to cause a bloodbath in order to pave the way for 'democracy'.
All the while keeping a straight face.
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Not to mention the bringing in of illegal guns and drugs across their OWN borders...
And who arm 'liberation' fighters across the world while being allies with some of the worlds worst absolute monarchies and dictatorships and then working together with these regimes by arming terrorists to cause a bloodbath in order to pave the way for 'democracy'.
All the while keeping a straight face.
Exactly but people who question their government are paranoid :-\
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Why do this terrible thing and not go the suicide route?
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Why do this terrible thing and not go the suicide route?
He should have offed himself.
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Why do this terrible thing and not go the suicide route?
the microchip in his brain must have been damaged during the shooting and the mind control gps device lost connection
look at those eyes, that mothafucker is wired beyond his mind, fucking eyes about to pop out of their sockets
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Definitley looks a little off.
Plus the slightly lazy eye, yup. Crazy. Condemn him.
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He should have offed himself.
agree.....
where im from the police would have shot him INSTANTLY...
no waisting time in court...
I hope he gets the gas chamber.... now this is what i like about america they dont fuck about with criminals
if he was in england they would put him in an institution where he would be looked after for the rest of his life...
food gym ps3 x box360.....TV... the only thing missing would be a woman....
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That guy has buggy, fish eyes. Can't be sane.
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I forget where, but I read once that in some countries they have a policy to not publicize the identity of people that commit such atrocities as an attempt to decrease the "glory", "fame" element in terms of copycats. The US should really think of doing the same- might help
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Googly eye ala Nasser.
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Googly eye ala Nasser.
So the thing to take away from this, is that Nasser is getting ready to go shoot up a bunch of people?
Explains why he's been hanging out shooting firearms with Alex.
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has some facial similiarities to true adonis :-\
And The Joker as well.
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very true this is why i said it will never change...
.. reffering to the part in bold.... I personally thinks its because a good percentage of them are scared.... without the guns... then they are victims..... the gun offers security.....
you know the guy who used to get beat up at school complex
In America, white people and black people are nervous of cops. And it's only getting worse. Tyranny is not a made up word.
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I forget where, but I read once that in some countries they have a policy to not publicize the identity of people that commit such atrocities as an attempt to decrease the "glory", "fame" element in terms of copycats. The US should really think of doing the same- might help
I agree
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That guy has buggy, fish eyes. Can't be sane.
Bug eyes are one of the things the CIA looks for in recruitment
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Googly eye ala Nasser.
lolz
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In America, white people and black people are nervous of cops. And it's only getting worse. Tyranny is not a made up word.
and having a gun will make you less afraid of the cops.....?
what is it to shoot the cops.....
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Great one.
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lol you gotta be fuckin kidding me ::)
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The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel - plus I think your missing the point - it's about the amount of sudden death and ease with which a weapon can kill - good luck going to a cinema with a rock and outdoing the kills this JOKER pulled off - A Nuclear Bomb is also an inanimate object - should I be allowed to own a NUKE!
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The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel -
He hit him with a 30 lb dumbbell, I read in the Dead Sea Scrolls...
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The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel - plus I think your missing the point - it's about the amount of sudden death and ease with which a weapon can kill - good luck going to a cinema with a rock and outdoing the kills this JOKER pulled off -
And the detachment between pulling a trigger and ending/injuring life versus repeated close range blows
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And the detachment between pulling a trigger and ending/injuring life versus repeated close range blows
Agreed, the ease of the kill must also be taken into account, to kill 12 people with a rock would be a gruesome affair, and would take the personality of a barbarian to do so, any idiot can kill with a gun.
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Agreed, the ease of the kill must also be taken into account, to kill 12 people with a rock would be a gruesome affair, and would take the personality of a barbarian to do so, any idiot can kill with a gun.
This :-\
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killing 12 people with one heavy rock is quite the achievement
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killing 12 people with one heavy rock is quite the achievement
That's correct, Tito. Matter of fact, whoever manages such a feat deserves reward rather than punishment.
...In other news, this thread has run its course many pages ago.
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Over 70 people were shot (or injured) in a few moments. How many bullets were fired?
Why the fuck should some nut be able to get all that fire power without having to show who he is?
I assume we'll need a few more of these events before the majority of voters will want to adopt a sane policy. Nobody fucking needs 50 or 100 round magazines unless they intend to go on the offensive. They don't have to know how to aim a gun, just spray......
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Over 70 people were shot (or injured) in a few moments. How many bullets were fired?
Why the fuck should some nut be able to get all that fire power without having to show who he is?
I assume we'll need a few more of these events before the majority of voters will want to adopt a sane policy. Nobody fucking needs 50 or 100 round magazines unless they intend to go on the offensive. They don't have to know how to aim a gun, just spray......
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Good reasons for keeping high cap mags legal
1. Multiple assailants. Whether on the street or during a home invasion, violent criminals often move in pairs or packs. Realize that you will never shoot as well as your score at the range when you are under the unbelievable stress of a life-or-death encounter. Which would you prefer to have in your magazine in such an event? Ten rounds? Or fifteen or seventeen? Or perhaps even 30?
2. Private citizens always face the threat before the police arrive. Private citizens were on the front line at Tucson, Columbine, and Virginia Tech. Why limit our effectiveness?
You should logically want whatever cops choose to carry. How many cops choose a ten round magazine? If politicians want to hinder us “little people” with a ten round limit, they should also hamper the police with the same limit. Let’s see how far that flies.
In nearly every instance it is not a cop on the “front line” of a violent situation. It is private citizens who must face the “lone gunman” until (and sometimes even after) the police arrive. See Dial 911 and Die. Is the life of a policeman more important than yours?
3. Civil disturbances. Watch the Reginald Denny beating video some time. Review the looting insanity of Hurricane Katrina. You’ve got a crazed mob of ten, twenty, or fifty people headed in your direction. Are ten rounds enough? Might you want fifteen, or seventeen, or even thirty?
Oh, and while you’re at it, perhaps bring from memory those Los Angeles Korean store owners standing guard on the roofs of their businesses with semi-auto AKs during the Rodney King riots. No one messed with those stores, did they?
4. Because it is your most fundamental right as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and, more importantly, as given by G-d A-lmighty: the right to the righteous defense of yourself and the innocent. “Shall not be infringed” simply means what it says. When politicians infringe on magazine capacity, they infringe on the Second Amendment. You should want a high cap mag because you can have one!
This is America, not a socialist nanny state or tin pot Third World dictatorship. The saying “use it or lose it” is never so relevant as when applied to our Bill of Rights. See "2A Today for the USA"
5. Your assailants may well be armed with high cap magazines themselves. No ban will affect these criminals; it will actually encourage them. Do you really think the gang bangers care about federal laws? Again, ask the local cop why he or she won’t “downgrade” to a ten round mag to go along with this feel-good idiocy. Ask the pols why they don’t think the cops should do so.
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Good reasons for keeping high cap mags legal
1. Multiple assailants. Whether on the street or during a home invasion, violent criminals often move in pairs or packs. Realize that you will never shoot as well as your score at the range when you are under the unbelievable stress of a life-or-death encounter. Which would you prefer to have in your magazine in such an event? Ten rounds? Or fifteen or seventeen? Or perhaps even 30?
2. Private citizens always face the threat before the police arrive. Private citizens were on the front line at Tucson, Columbine, and Virginia Tech. Why limit our effectiveness?
You should logically want whatever cops choose to carry. How many cops choose a ten round magazine? If politicians want to hinder us “little people” with a ten round limit, they should also hamper the police with the same limit. Let’s see how far that flies.
In nearly every instance it is not a cop on the “front line” of a violent situation. It is private citizens who must face the “lone gunman” until (and sometimes even after) the police arrive. See Dial 911 and Die. Is the life of a policeman more important than yours?
3. Civil disturbances. Watch the Reginald Denny beating video some time. Review the looting insanity of Hurricane Katrina. You’ve got a crazed mob of ten, twenty, or fifty people headed in your direction. Are ten rounds enough? Might you want fifteen, or seventeen, or even thirty?
Oh, and while you’re at it, perhaps bring from memory those Los Angeles Korean store owners standing guard on the roofs of their businesses with semi-auto AKs during the Rodney King riots. No one messed with those stores, did they?
4. Because it is your most fundamental right as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and, more importantly, as given by G-d A-lmighty: the right to the righteous defense of yourself and the innocent. “Shall not be infringed” simply means what it says. When politicians infringe on magazine capacity, they infringe on the Second Amendment. You should want a high cap mag because you can have one!
This is America, not a socialist nanny state or tin pot Third World dictatorship. The saying “use it or lose it” is never so relevant as when applied to our Bill of Rights. See "2A Today for the USA"
5. Your assailants may well be armed with high cap magazines themselves. No ban will affect these criminals; it will actually encourage them. Do you really think the gang bangers care about federal laws? Again, ask the local cop why he or she won’t “downgrade” to a ten round mag to go along with this feel-good idiocy. Ask the pols why they don’t think the cops should do so.
Truth.
Let's not forget that the 2nd amendment is to provide the protection against tyranny... That's what it is here for.
An oppressive government MUST be dealt with and the last line of defense against a tyrannical government is with the power of the gun.
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Truth.
Let's not forget that the 2nd amendment is to provide the protection against tyranny... That's what it is here for.
An oppressive government MUST be dealt with and the last line of defense against a tyrannical government is with the power of the gun.
Yes but the Euro fags on this board don't understand what real freedom means.
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Yes but the Euro fags on this board don't understand what real freedom means.
They don't even respect free speech rights over there.
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Yes but the Euro fags on this board don't understand what real freedom means.
Somehow, it's instilled in most US citizens that the cost of true freedom means giving up some of that precious security from the government.
I'd rather protect myself than have my government do it... especially on a personal scale and I have no problem taking up arms against a government who wishes to do me or my loved ones harm.
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These reports will keep coming every day until they get a gun law ban :-\
http://news.yahoo.com/3-arrested-separate-dark-knight-incidents-080930278.html (http://news.yahoo.com/3-arrested-separate-dark-knight-incidents-080930278.html)
3 arrested in separate 'Dark Knight' incidents
At least 3 men accused of making threats during or after watching the new Batman movie have been arrested in separate incidents, underscoring moviegoers' anxieties and heightened security in the wake of a deadly mass shooting at a Colorado theater showing the film.
A Maine man was arrested when he told authorities that he was on his way to shoot a former employer a day after watching "The Dark Knight Rises," Maine state police said Monday.
Timothy Courtois of Biddeford, Maine, had been stopped for speeding, and a police search of his car found an AK-47 assault weapon, four handguns, ammunition and news clippings about the mass shooting that left 12 people dead early Friday, authorities said.
Former graduate student James Holmes, 24, is accused of opening fire in a theater in a Denver suburb. The shooting also injured 58 people.
Courtois said he had attended the Batman movie on Saturday, although police have not confirmed whether he actually saw the film.
"I guess we're taking everything at face value," State Police Lt. Kevin Donovan said. "It's very scary."
Police searched Courtois' home later Sunday and found a machine gun, several other guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.
"We don't know what his true intentions were," said Steve McCausland, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety. "Based on the arsenal that was confiscated, we brought in our counterparts from the FBI and ATF to assist with the investigation."
Courtois was charged with speeding and possession of a concealed weapon.
In Southern California, a man at a Sunday afternoon showing of the film was arrested after witnesses said he made threats and alluded to the Aurora shooting when the movie didn't start.
Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were called to a cinema complex in Norwalk after moviegoers said 52-year-old Clark Tabor shouted: "I should go off like in Colorado." They said he then asked: "Does anybody have a gun?"
A security guard saw Tabor with a backpack on his knees in the second row, but deputies who searched the bag, the theater and its surrounding area did not find any weapon.
Separately, moviegoers in Sierra Visa, Ariz., panicked when a man who appeared intoxicated was confronted during a showing of the movie. The Cochise County Sheriff's office said it caused "mass hysteria" and about 50 people fled the theater.
Off-duty Border Patrol agents tackled Michael William Borboa, 27, who had a backpack with him, according to The Arizona Daily Star. Authorities said it contained an empty alcohol container and a half-empty moonshine bottle.
Borboa was arrested on suspicion of disorderly conduct, and threatening and intimidating.
Despite some jitters over the horrific shooting, moviegoers around the country still flocked to theaters to see the film, which was the final installment of the phenomenally successful Batman trilogy. Warner Bros. reported that it brought in $160.9 million over the weekend, making it the third highest opening weekend ever, after "The Avengers" and "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2."
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The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel - plus I think your missing the point - it's about the amount of sudden death and ease with which a weapon can kill - good luck going to a cinema with a rock and outdoing the kills this JOKER pulled off - A Nuclear Bomb is also an inanimate object - should I be allowed to own a NUKE!
Ok, what if this guy drove a big truck into a large crowd of people full speed? Should trucks be banned?
I'm a big gun enthusiast and so are a lot of my friends. We love to shoot clay targets, hunt and go to the range and shoot holes in paper.
Why should we be punished for a single act of random violence? Makes no sense.
Fact is that there are lunatics across the world ...this Colorado tragedy could not have been prevented. It makes no sense to try to make sense of it and make new laws restricting peoples freedoms.
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Over 70 people were shot (or injured) in a few moments. How many bullets were fired?
Why the fuck should some nut be able to get all that fire power without having to show who he is?
I assume we'll need a few more of these events before the majority of voters will want to adopt a sane policy. Nobody fucking needs 50 or 100 round magazines unless they intend to go on the offensive. They don't have to know how to aim a gun, just spray......
THIS TRAGEDY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED !! Get this in your heads
You guys are all missing the fucking point...you're all eluding that we need stricter gun control.
That will solve nothing. Any motivated criminal or psychopath can get their hands on pretty much any weapon they please.
The fucking war on drugs has been going on for decades and you can go to any shady area of town anywhere in the country and get coke, meth, heroin, ...etc. These drugs have killed millions of the years from overdose, drug deals gone bad...etc.
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These reports will keep coming every day until they get a gun law ban :-\
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I have a similar arsenal in my gun safe. Should I be arrested ?
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I have a similar arsenal in my gun safe. Should I be arrested ?
No, but then I suspect you won't go around saying that you are on your way to kill your old boss.
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No, but then I suspect you won't go around saying that you are on your way to kill your old boss.
Right, I am a responsible gun owner.
My point is that responsible gun owners who buy guns legally should not be made out to be criminals like the nuts who get their guns in alleys illegally.
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Here's What Would Have Happened If James Holmes' Apartment Trap Worked
Michael Kelley|Jul. 24, 2012, 8:56 AM|4,135|5
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A law enforcement official who viewed video from inside James Holmes' apartment said it was booby-trapped with more than 30 homemade grenades and 10 gallons of gasoline, Poppy Harlow and Ed Payne CNN report.
"By the time a fire truck would have arrived, they would have arrived to a building that would have been completely consumed in flames," the official told CNN.
The suspect in last week's deadly shooting in Aurora, Colo., that killed 12 and injured 58 apparently wired the grenades to a control box in the kitchen that looked like IED set-ups used in Iraq and Afghanistan, the official said.
The contraption, which appeared to be rigged to blow if triggered, was disabled by a remote-controlled bomb robot that squirted water on it.
Gasoline was in glass containers scattered around the apartment .
On Saturday authorities defused the trip wire and incendiary device in addition to successfully executing two controlled detonations.
Holmes made his first court appearance Monday, and formal charges (including first-degree murder) are expected on July 30.
As of Monday night, 20 people remained hospitalized – seven in critical condition – in four area hospitals.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-would-have-happened-if-james-holmes-apartment-trap-worked-2012-7#ixzz21YWFrPEi
Yeah - a law would have stopped this guy. ::) ::)
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nobody wants a gun ban more than criminals, who will then be the only civilians armed
while the upstanding law abiding citizens will be stripped of their abilities to defend themselves and their family from those criminals
zero logic
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Right, I am a responsible gun owner.
My point is that responsible gun owners who buy guns legally should not be made out to be criminals like the nuts who get their guns in alleys illegally.
I do not disagree... I believe EVERYONE should be able to buy any and all guys they want to... The laws for KILLING and hurting people with those guns is where we should draw the line.
You go crazy and run around and kill a bunch of people, you should be shot on the spot.
I also don't buy into the notion that if someone else had a gun it would have been worse... Anyone who has a firearm has the ability to stop another armed attacker... Is it a guarantee, of course not, but it's a damn sight better than just sitting around and getting shot at and doing nothing.
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I do not disagree... I believe EVERYONE should be able to buy any and all guys they want to... The laws for KILLING and hurting people with those guns is where we should draw the line.
You go crazy and run around and kill a bunch of people, you should be shot on the spot.
I also don't buy into the notion that if someone else had a gun it would have been worse... Anyone who has a firearm has the ability to stop another armed attacker... Is it a guarantee, of course not, but it's a damn sight better than just sitting around and getting shot at and doing nothing.
Ok, so we're on the same page.
I'm surprised that in a gun friendly state like Colorado nobody in that movie theater was carrying.
If a few of the movie goers were armed, you can bet your ass a lot less innocent lives would have been lost.
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Ok, so we're on the same page.
I'm surprised that in a gun friendly state like Colorado nobody in that movie theater was carrying.
If a few of the movie goers were armed, you can bet your ass a lot less innocent lives would have been lost.
There are numerous instances where people have stopped armed assailants with their personal CCW.
You just never hear it reported... They like to keep that shit under wraps... Assholes.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/ice-t-guns-gun-control_n_1696801.html#comments
Lol at the libs attacking ice t. Fucking commies.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/ice-t-guns-gun-control_n_1696801.html#comments
Lol at the libs attacking ice t. Fucking commies.
I saw that interview and he was 100 percent right!
Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.
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One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.
Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-torrence-lawsuit-james-holmes-article-3.jpg)
Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him. Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.
1. The theater. Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded. It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket, propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.
2. Holmes' doctors. Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.
3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."
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One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.
Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-torrence-lawsuit-james-holmes-article-3.jpg)
Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him. Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.
1. The theater. Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded. It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket, propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.
2. Holmes' doctors. Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.
3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."
Why not sue the company that sold Holmes the red dye for his hair while he is at it?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/ice-t-guns-gun-control_n_1696801.html#comments
Lol at the libs attacking ice t. Fucking commies.
bill kristol agrees with the libs.
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more guns is the solution to this problem.
absolutely.
*face palm*
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Why not sue the company that sold Holmes the red dye for his hair while he is at it?
What a fucking Nerdy Hippocrate, paying to watch a movie that he later sued for being violent , i should sue him for wearing that gay fucking peewee herman suit and him knowing Guys in Pink shirts strain the fuck out my eyes
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.... just like de regulation and lower taxes are the solution to the economic collapse and federal defecit.
;D
anyone see a theme here ?? the solution to the problem is more of what caused the problem to begin with ??
how people can get shit so twisted... lmao..
a guy uses a gun to kill people.
we need more guns!!
deregulation allows banks to make short sighted and risky/irresponsible investments that leads to an economic collapse, coupled with decreased tax rates to cause massive defecit..
we need to deregulate and lower taxes !!!!
:-X
if it wasnt so sad, it would be funny.
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.... just like de regulation and lower taxes are the solution to the economic collapse and federal defecit.
;D
anyone see a theme here ?? the solution to the problem is more of what caused the problem to begin with ??
how people can get shit so twisted... lmao..
a guy uses a gun to kill people.
we need more guns!!
deregulation allows banks to make short sighted and risky/irresponsible investments that leads to an economic collapse, coupled with decreased tax rates to cause massive defecit..
we need to deregulate and lower taxes !!!!
:-X
if it wasnt so sad, it would be funny.
One has nothing to do with other Mr. Summa Cum Laude of Community College.... ::)
Please stop typing.
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.... just like de regulation and lower taxes are the solution to the economic collapse and federal defecit.
;D
anyone see a theme here ?? the solution to the problem is more of what caused the problem to begin with ??
how people can get shit so twisted... lmao..
a guy uses a gun to kill people.
we need more guns!!
deregulation allows banks to make short sighted and risky/irresponsible investments that leads to an economic collapse, coupled with decreased tax rates to cause massive defecit..
we need to deregulate and lower taxes !!!!
:-X
if it wasnt so sad, it would be funny.
A few more commas and this would be a fine GH15 posting of jibberish
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in both cases, conservative fuck jobs think that the answer to the problem is the cause of the problem. yes, they are very much related.
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in both cases, conservative fuck jobs think that the answer to the problem is the cause of the problem. yes, they are very much related.
Guns aren't the problem gaycock. people are. You dipshit libs wanna ban everything till were left with our thumbs up our asses.
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in both cases, conservative fuck jobs think that the answer to the problem is the cause of the problem. yes, they are very much related.
LOL. How old are you?
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Guns aren't the problem gaycock. people are. You dipshit libs wanna ban everything till were left with our thumbs up our asses.
why dont you go ahead and make nuclear weapons legal why your at it. by the way liberals only want to ban things that can effect the community, not things that effect individuals. conservatives like to ban things that effect individuals, but allow things that effect the community. which one makes more sense.. allowing people to fuck up their own lives but preventing them from destorying others, or allowing people to fuck up other peoples lives but preventing them from fucking up their own ?? ;)
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Why not sue the company that sold Holmes the red dye for his hair while he is at it?
Dude is going to sue Warner Bros for a violent movie THAT HE WAS GOING TO SEE.
So, why not sue DC for making a violent comic (that has been violent since it's inception), and letting it be adapted to the bg screen? Oh, so Warner Bros should have made it like the Teletubbies? Therefore dude wouldn't have gone to it in the first place.
This speaks to something deeper, Americans like to live in a fantasy world where they go see "fake" violence on the movie screen, watch it on TV and play video games...and talk about how "hardcore" it is. But as soon as the real life violence reaches their doorsteps, they want to sue.
Sue the doctors, for this eff up's actions? Nope, you can't monitor what the patient will take, or if he is taking his meds, at any given moment a person could decide not to take their meds or take one too many.
They only thing I agree with the lawsuit, is that the emergency door should have had an alarm
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why dont you go ahead and make nuclear weapons legal why your at it. by the way liberals only want to ban things that can effect the community, not things that effect individuals. conservatives like to ban things that effect individuals, but allow things that effect the community. which one makes more sense.. allowing people to fuck up their own lives but preventing them from destorying others, or allowing people to fuck up other peoples lives but preventing them from fucking up their own ?? ;)
I pulled this from Wiki but it's everwhere else...I hope you're intelligent enough to draw conclusions...
You're an idiologue...that doesn't work here....
In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21][18]
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
Gun rights activist David Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984.[19] Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999.[20]
Later research claims that there is no evidence that [the law] reduced the rate of home burglaries [in Kennesaw][21][22], even though the overall crime rate had decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005.[23]
The city's website[24] claims the city has the lowest crime rate in the county.
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in both cases, conservative fuck jobs think that the answer to the problem is the cause of the problem. yes, they are very much related.
Shut the fuck up you worthless f.aggot. What the hell do you know about guns? Drugs are illegal right? Does that stop millions of people from being junkies? Does it stop people from buying and selling dope? Stricter gun laws only effect the responsible citizens. In New York State you have to go through a million hoops to get a handgun permit. You think bad guys are going to go through all of that trouble to procure a hand gun? No dummy criminals don't follow the rules. My dads a legit buisness owner, he wanted to get a handgun to protect his buisness. He gave up after he realized all of the bullshit inconvience you have to go through just to get one.
Just because one lunatic out of millions of responsible gun owners blows a fuse doesn't mean everyone else should be punished. Look how many people get killed by ciggerettes, drunk drivers, car accidents, etc etc. Do we outlaw those things? No we make the penalties more severe.
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http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/213977/158/James-Holmes-of-Aurora-Colorado-Received-26000-Stipend-Plus-Tuition-From-NIH
AURORA, COLORADO (WUSA)-- Aurora, Colorado is a community that's just beginning to absorb the magnitude of what happened there. The shock seems to be wearing off and raw grief, taking over.
But there is a welcome sign of hope amidst the overwhelming grief. The mother of the 6 year-old girl killed in the massacre is reportedly pregnant. Despite being shot in the abdomen and paralyzed, the baby is said to be alright.
A memorial is steps away from the place where all innocence was lost. The unthinkable crime that made even a night at the movies no longer feel safe.
"It just hurts, even if you don't know them that well," said Brenda Maldonado, who came to pay her respects.
The roadside tributes are growing by the hour. A patchwork of flowers, stuffed animals and candles.
"It's a way to share our love and bring the community together that we don't let this tear the community down and make us stop living," said Maldonado.
The swell of emotion comes as new information about the suspect emerges. 9 News has learned that James Holmes was awarded a prestigious grant from the National Institutes of Health. It gave the graduate student a $26,000 stipend and paid his tuition for the highly competitive program in neuroscience at the University of Colorado in Denver.
It is difficult even to consider that taxpayer dollars may have helped fund his alleged rampage.
Written by Andrea McCarren
9NEWS NOW & WUSA9.COM
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more guns is the solution to this problem.
absolutely.
*face palm*
As usual YOU are wrong and can't grasp the subject. NO the solution isn't more guns it's don't prohibit LEGAL LAW ABIDING citizens rights to guns because of some mental case
More laws isn't the solution to the problem when criminals don't follow them. the laws are affecting the wrong people
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Shut the fuck up you worthless f.aggot. What the hell do you know about guns? Drugs are illegal right? Does that stop millions of people from being junkies? Does it stop people from buying and selling dope? Stricter gun laws only effect the responsible citizens. In New York State you have to go through a million hoops to get a handgun permit. You think bad guys are going to go through all of that trouble to procure a hand gun? No dummy criminals don't follow the rules. My dads a legit buisness owner, he wanted to get a handgun to protect his buisness. He gave up after he realized all of the bullshit inconvience you have to go through just to get one.
Just because one lunatic out of millions of responsible gun owners blows a fuse doesn't mean everyone else should be punished. Look how many people get killed by ciggerettes, drunk drivers, car accidents, etc etc. Do we outlaw those things? No we make the penalties more severe.
Well said Mack.
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One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.
Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-torrence-lawsuit-james-holmes-article-3.jpg)
Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him. Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.
1. The theater. Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded. It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket, propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.
2. Holmes' doctors. Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.
3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."
No 3 is idiotic.
No 1 doesn't make much sense either.
No 2 needs to be investigated seriously.
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in both cases, conservative fuck jobs think that the answer to the problem is the cause of the problem. yes, they are very much related.
You couldn't be any more wrong about the problem or the solution.
The problem IS NOT guns it's lunatics who are hell-bent on killing people by ANY means and the solution IS NOT passing any new gun laws which restrict the rights of people who actually follow the law.
This lunatic broke a host of laws , why not have a law on murder? OH wait there already is one ::) but wait let's make new guns laws that would stop this ::)
Oppssss can't go on a murder spree because they passed a law saying I shouldn't have an assault rifle ::)
the solution to the problem is to pass a law that only law abiding citizens intend to follow , makes perfect sense ::)
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You can always count on ND to put his hands to his ears, hop in little circles and repeat the same things again and again ad nauseum.
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Why doesnt this clown sue the Federal Govt since they gave this freak the $$$$$ to buy all this stuff?
Another govt funded disaster resulting in deaths, just like Fast n Furious
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You can always count on ND to put his hands to his ears, hop in little circles and repeat the same things again and again ad nauseum.
Damn right because morons can't grasp simple concepts.
You pass new laws restricting the rights of who? law-abiding citizens , criminals don't follow laws so it's redundant and wrong to punish people who follow the laws.
Anyone who says new laws are the solution are flat-out wrong and will be corrected. and I don't give a fuck who likes it or not. ;)
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ND and Mack,
There is no intelligible retort to your statements.
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Damn right because morons can't grasp simple concepts.
You pass new laws restricting the rights of who? law-abiding citizens , criminals don't follow laws so it's redundant and wrong to punish people who follow the laws.
Anyone who says new laws are the solution are flat-out wrong and will be corrected. and I don't give a fuck who likes it or not. ;)
Of course you don't give a fuck bro, it's like, blatantly obvious- for you a debate on anything is out of the question. you wait for your turn to post and that's about it, fuck other people's views, or arguing across a point, your objective is simply to repeat your views ad nauseum and if you have to spend years of your life, then so be it.
Narcissistic to the last and as to deity?
I think it's amazing that you've made it to your middle age (what are you late forties? early fifties?) only to develop such an attitude! What a waste of experience, man!
In the end, I want you and yours and stay the way you are forever; insular, inflexible, compulsive and all-knowing, you will rot from the inside that much faster.
kisses, sweetheart ;)
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ND and Mack,
There is no intelligible retort to your statements.
That's why I think liberalism is a disease. It's unmanley as fuck. What kind of sissyfied girly man wants to make it harder to own guns. A tool that is used to protect your family from bad guys and possibly a wacked goverement. Bunch of slacked jawwed guys around here. If you're really that mad about people dieing go lobby against smokes and alcohol.
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Of course you don't give a fuck bro, it's like, blatantly obvious- for you a debate on anything is out of the question. you wait for your turn to post and that's about it, fuck other people's views, or arguing across a point, your objective is simply to repeat your views ad nauseum and if you have to spend years of your life, then so be it.
Narcissistic to the last and as to deity?
I think it's amazing that you've made it to your middle age (what are you late forties? early fifties?) only to develop such an attitude! What a waste of experience, man!
In the end, I want you and yours and stay the way you are forever; insular, inflexible, compulsive and all-knowing, you will rot from the inside that much faster.
kisses, sweetheart ;)
In what fantasy land full of ponies and unicorns does a law stop a murderous psychopath like this who would go so far as to rig his apartment w 30 bombs and trip wire w 10 gallons of gasoline?
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Of course you don't give a fuck bro, it's like, blatantly obvious- for you a debate on anything is out of the question. you wait for your turn to post and that's about it, fuck other people's views, or arguing across a point, your objective is simply to repeat your views ad nauseum and if you have to spend years of your life, then so be it.
Narcissistic to the last and as to deity?
I think it's amazing that you've made it to your middle age (what are you late forties? early fifties?) only to develop such an attitude! What a waste of experience, man!
In the end, I want you and yours and stay the way you are forever; insular, inflexible, compulsive and all-knowing, you will rot from the inside that much faster.
kisses, sweetheart ;)
Of course you don't give a fuck bro, it's like, blatantly obvious- for you a debate on anything is out of the question. you wait for your turn to post and that's about it, fuck other people's views, or arguing across a point, your objective is simply to repeat your views ad nauseum and if you have to spend years of your life, then so be it.
No it's not out of the question and it's fuck other people's views when they defy logic and common sense and based on ignorance and emotion. I've heard all the counter points I've assessed the validity of their position and came to the conclusion they are dead fucking wrong.
I think it's amazing that you've made it to your middle age (what are you late forties? early fifties?) only to develop such an attitude! What a waste of experience, man!
In the end, I want you and yours and stay the way you are forever; insular, inflexible, compulsive and all-knowing, you will rot from the inside that much faster.
kisses, sweetheart ;)
I'm glad I invoke such emotion in you ;D certain things wont be entertained just corrected. ;)
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That's why I think liberalism is a disease. It's unmanley as fuck. What kind of sissyfied girly man wants to make it harder to own guns. A tool that is used to protect your family from bad guys and possibly a wacked goverement. Bunch of slacked jawwed guys around here. If you're really that mad about people dieing go lobby against smokes and alcohol.
Bringing your patented spazz to the gun thread. Awesome! ;D
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In what fantasy land full of ponies and unicorns does a law stop a murderous psychopath like this who would go so far as to rig his apartment w 30 bombs and trip wire w 10 gallons of gasoline?
I'm sure all of those were against the law already , so the solution is to pass new laws that he wouldn't intend on following :D
This lunatic killed a bunch of people with an AR15 so the solution to this is preventing YOU from getting one because you have the potential to get loony like him , makes great sense.
Let's reinstate the failed assault weapons ban , that would have stopped him. Ummmm NO it wouldn't he would have just bought a pre-ban AR15 and a pre-ban 100 round beta-mag , damn then we should just confiscate ALL guns and everyone will live in a Utopian society were we all group-hug and talk about our feelings over chamomile tea and crackers.
DO NOT impose your stupidity on me because of this asshole's stupidity. YOU don't like assault rifles don't buy one but don't tell me I can own one because of some asshole may decided to go off the deep end.
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I'm sure all of those were against the law already , so the solution is to pass new laws that he wouldn't intend on following :D
This lunatic killed a bunch of people with an AR15 so the solution to this is preventing YOU from getting one because you have the potential to get loony like him , makes great sense.
Let's reinstate the failed assault weapons ban , that would have stopped him. Ummmm NO it wouldn't he would have just bought a pre-ban AR15 and a pre-ban 100 round beta-mag , damn then we should just confiscate ALL guns and everyone will live in a Utopian society were we all group-hug and talk about our feelings over chamomile tea and crackers.
DO NOT impose your stupidity on me because of this asshole's stupidity. YOU don't like assault rifles don't buy one but don't tell me I can own one because of some asshole may decided to go off the deep end.
Or he would have bombed the theatre as well.
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One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.
Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-torrence-lawsuit-james-holmes-article-3.jpg)
Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him. Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.
1. The theater. Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded. It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket, propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.
2. Holmes' doctors. Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.
3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."
Dude needs to also Sue his Mother for allowing him to go to the movies that late, and sue her for giving him the money to buy the ticket to the batman rises
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Dude needs to also Sue his Mother for allowing him to go to the movies that late, and sue her for giving him the money to buy the ticket to the batman rises
What do you expect? T Y P I C A L
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Meh. He's only the first to lawyer up - there'll be a lot more to follow, all looking for those deep pockets. If there's one other thing you guys like as much as gun violence, its litigation.
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Meh. He's only the first to lawyer up - there'll be a lot more to follow, all looking for those deep pockets. If there's one other thing you guys like as much as gun violence, its litigation.
Time Warner is going to pay up big time in this just for the PR issue in this.
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Meh. He's only the first to lawyer up - there'll be a lot more to follow, all looking for those deep pockets. If there's one other thing you guys like as much as gun violence, its litigation.
I think there may be a case against the killer's doctors. I mean, if he was taking medication and being supervised.
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The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel - plus I think your missing the point - it's about the amount of sudden death and ease with which a weapon can kill - good luck going to a cinema with a rock and outdoing the kills this JOKER pulled off - A Nuclear Bomb is also an inanimate object - should I be allowed to own a NUKE!
the policy of deterrence worked in the cold war and is still working today.
it's no coincidence that the only time a nuke was used on a country was when only one country had it.
the rodney king riots have already been mentioned too, only the koreans with shotguns were safe.
it's like the IFBBs drug policy, drugs for everybody = level playing field, it's when they try to regulate it is when you get cheaters.
gun control will only hurt law abiding citizens, unless you actually think these criminals and thugs get their weapons legally ::)
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I guess dudeds dad landed in colorado friday
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/20/0720-robert-holmes-movie-theater-massacre-james-holmes-father-article-3.jpg)
James Holmes' father just landed at the Denver International Airport, presumably to see his son who is in custody for the slaughter at the "Dark Knight" premiere.
Robert Holmes flew from his home in San Diego and was mum when he got on the Southwest Airlines flight.
Robert Holmes was the first one off the plane and was escorted by cops into a police van.
The Holmes family released a statement earlier expressing sympathy for the family of the victims and said they were cooperating with authorities.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-sales-aurora-colorado-shooting-spike-tuscon-161409369--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-sales-aurora-colorado-shooting-spike-tuscon-161409369--finance.html)
Gun sales spike in Colorado after shooting, just like they did in Arizona
Gun sales in Colorado have spiked since last week's massacre, The Denver Post reports.
Background checks jumped more than 41 percent since Friday's shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" at an Aurora movie theater. Over the weekend, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm, the Post said, an increase of 43 percent over the previous weekend.
"It's been insane," Jake Meyers, an employee at Rocky Mountain Guns and Ammo in Parker, Colo., told the paper.
Spikes in gun sales are not uncommon in the aftermath of mass shootings like the one in Colorado. Following the January 2011 shooting that killed six and wounded more than a dozen others—including former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords—in Tucson, sales of handguns soared more than 60 percent in the state, according to FBI data. Similar spikes were seen after the massacres at Virginia Tech and Columbine.
[COMPLETE COVERAGE: Colorado theater shooting]
Some of those seeking to buy guns in Colorado over the weekend said they were seeking to arm themselves for protection in the wake of the shooting, according to the report. But many were likely fearful of a change in gun laws. Democratic state Rep. Rhonda Fields of Aurora told the paper she wants Congress to reinstate a ban on assault weapons.
"When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff," Greg Wolff, an Arizona gun shop owner, told Bloomberg.com after the rampage in Tucson.
They also get worried when a Democrat is about to take office. Before President Barack Obama's 2008 election, there was a spike in gun sales, and gun shop owners and manufacturers have reported similarly brisk buying in 2012.
"It's definitely the election year," Jason Hanson, a former CIA officer, told Fox News in March. "People feel that Obama will serve second term and with it their gun rights with taken away, so they are stocking up."
[Related: Violent crime dropped in 2011, but murders in small towns spiked, FBI says]
In December, the FBI reported a record number of background checks—1,534,414—sent by gun dealers. "Almost half a million checks were done in just the last six days before Christmas," according to CNN. In 2010, the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System received more than 14 million requests, more than in any other year.
James Holmes, the suspected shooter in Friday's massacre, was found with a military-style AR-15 assault rifle, two Glock .40-caliber pistols and a Remington 12-gauge shotgun when he was arrested outside the theater in Aurora. And like Jared Loughner, the accused killer in the Tucson massacre, Holmes purchased the guns legally.
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Ok, what if this guy drove a big truck into a large crowd of people full speed? Should trucks be banned?
I'm a big gun enthusiast and so are a lot of my friends. We love to shoot clay targets, hunt and go to the range and shoot holes in paper.
Why should we be punished for a single act of random violence? Makes no sense.
Fact is that there are lunatics across the world ...this Colorado tragedy could not have been prevented. It makes no sense to try to make sense of it and make new laws restricting peoples freedoms.
Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns. Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses. Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created. I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.
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Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns. Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses. Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created. I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html
READ and get back to us.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html
READ and get back to us.
I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one. I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings. Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone. But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it must be a level playing field. Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!
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I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one. I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings. Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone. But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it must be a level playing field. Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!
Your country just has pitbulls who attack fat, helpless, c*nts.
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I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one. I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings. Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone. But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it must be a level playing field. Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!
You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?
You also don't have a violent history with the natives---ours are on "Reservations" (sadly)
you also don't have the type of wildlife we have...your biggest predator is the Salt Water croc,
your biggest land mammal is the Red and grey kangaroos.
That was just for the hunting aspect.
Just as Ice T said, Americs was forged from violence, by the gun. It was how the West was won.
And unfortunately, if you live by the gun, you die by the gun.
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Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns. Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses. Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created. I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.
this.....
to be fair the vibe im getting is without those guns.... they dont feel secure...
kinda sad
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Your country just has pitbulls who attack fat, helpless, c*nts.
HA HA - long term Butt hurt Getbiggers and there sensitive souls are always good for a laugh - you know you are renting someone else's headspace when they look for every opportunity to remind you how much you hurt there feelings months ago.
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HA HA - long term Butt hurt Getbiggers and there sensitive souls are always good for a laugh - you know you are renting someone else's headspace when they look for every opportunity to remind you how much you hurt there feelings months ago.
:-*
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I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one. I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings. Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone. But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it must be a level playing field. Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!
Nice try though
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.
31
In 2001-2002, homicides
were up another 20%.
32
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Firearm-related murders were up 19%
• Armed robberies were up 69%
• Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose
160% in 2001, more in the previous
year.
33
Fact: A ten year Australian study has
concluded that firearm confiscation
had no effect on crime rates.
34
A
separate report also concluded that
Australia’s 1996 gun control laws
“found [no] evidence for an impact of
the laws on the pre-existing decline in
firearm homicides”
35
and yet another
report from Australia for a similar time
period indicates the same lack of
decline in firearm homicides
36
31
Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
32
Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
33
Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
34
Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr. Jeanine
Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
35
Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The British
Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
36
Australian firearms legislation and unintentional firearm deaths a theoretical explanation for the absence of
decline following the 1996 gun laws Public Health, Samara McPhedran, Jeanine Baker, Public Health, Volume 122,
Issue 3
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this.....
to be fair the vibe im getting is without those guns.... they dont feel secure...
kinda sad
That's YOUR impression , you keep projecting onto others. Everyone has a false sense of security until something really bad happens then they are reminded how much security they really have.
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You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?
You also don't have a violent history with the natives---ours are on "Reservations" (sadly)
you also don't have the type of wildlife we have...your biggest predator is the Salt Water croc,
your biggest land mammal is the Red and grey kangaroos.
That was just for the hunting aspect.
Just as Ice T said, Americs was forged from violence, by the gun. It was how the West was won.
And unfortunately, if you live by the gun, you die by the gun.
You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?
That's how the revolutionary war kicked off the Red coats were coming to confiscate munitions in Concord.
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Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/179115_10150986193473300_209342465_n.jpg)
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Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/179115_10150986193473300_209342465_n.jpg)
Good stuff. I knew he'd come through.
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Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/179115_10150986193473300_209342465_n.jpg)
Good dude.
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Ok, so we're on the same page.
I'm surprised that in a gun friendly state like Colorado nobody in that movie theater was carrying.
If a few of the movie goers were armed, you can bet your ass a lot less innocent lives would have been lost.
Some people might have been carrying but didn't react fast enough or hit the ground and froze. The smoke bomb tear gas would make a lot of people hit the floor i'm guessing. Plus a lot of people who own guns are fcking pussies. Having a gun on hand doesn't necessarily make you a bad ass like 240 or bust...
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One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.
Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-torrence-lawsuit-james-holmes-article-3.jpg)
Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him. Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.
1. The theater. Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded. It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket, propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.
2. Holmes' doctors. Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.
3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."
Just about all the people in the theater will have post traumatic stress disorder(PTSD)...That shit is no joke. I don't blame anyone for wanting to lawyer up and see what can be had. Even if it's just someone paying for a shrink for a decade or so.
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Some people might have been carrying but didn't react fast enough or hit the ground and froze. The smoke bomb tear gas would make a lot of people hit the floor i'm guessing. Plus a lot of people who own guns are fcking pussies. Having a gun on hand doesn't necessarily make you a bad ass like 240 or bust...
>:(
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Nice try though
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.
31
In 2001-2002, homicides
were up another 20%.
32
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Firearm-related murders were up 19%
• Armed robberies were up 69%
• Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose
160% in 2001, more in the previous
year.
33
Fact: A ten year Australian study has
concluded that firearm confiscation
had no effect on crime rates.
34
A
separate report also concluded that
Australia’s 1996 gun control laws
“found [no] evidence for an impact of
the laws on the pre-existing decline in
firearm homicides”
35
and yet another
report from Australia for a similar time
period indicates the same lack of
decline in firearm homicides
36
31
Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
32
Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
33
Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
34
Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr. Jeanine
Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
35
Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The British
Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
36
Australian firearms legislation and unintentional firearm deaths a theoretical explanation for the absence of
decline following the 1996 gun laws Public Health, Samara McPhedran, Jeanine Baker, Public Health, Volume 122,
Issue 3
Like I said, I don't have a dog in this race, I live in Australia, and from my experience an individual is more likely to be a victim at the hands of police than any criminal organisation - I don't trust Crime statistics, they always seem to be manipulated for political reasons, and like America, we have a small minority who love guns and look to find evidence to support the ownership of such weapons - one thing is for sure, we don't have Lone Wolf Gunmen shooting the shit out of everyone on a regular basis, we don't have schools that need security the way the USA does, and it isn't a crime reduction that the gun reforms were used for, it was to reduce the risk of Lone Wolf Gunmen shooting the shit out of everyone - people can still get a gun, it's just that there are certain requirements one has to go through to get one and keep one, and for those who really want a gun, this is what they do. Personally, I don't like guns or feel the need to own one and wouldn't obtain one even if I could buy one over the counter at the local supermarket, now if anarchy was the norm, and armed gunmen were running wild in the streets and raiding homes then things would be different, but the fact is, here in Australia, it isn't hard to avoid criminal activity by just being sensible about your life, being smart and when and where you go and taking necessary security precautions in securing your home and property. My point is, I don't feel insecure or unsafe because virtually no-one owns guns!
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Rob can you take off that ninja star on your arm and use it as a weapon?
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Just about all the people in the theater will have post traumatic stress disorder(PTSD)...That shit is no joke. I don't blame anyone for wanting to lawyer up and see what can be had. Even if it's just someone paying for a shrink for a decade or so.
Agreed, PTSD can fuck your life - it's one thing to watch fantasy violence during a movie, a completely different thing to experience a surreal event like this, those who survived will be scarred for a long time to come.
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=64473
Warner Bros. officials have confirmed that The Dark Knight Rises star Christian Bale (Bruce Wayne/Batman) has visited the victims of the Aurora, Colorado movie theatre shooting of his own accord.
The Denver Post reports that Christian Bale has visited the victims of Thursday night's shooting at the Medical Center of Aurora in Colorado. This was confirmed by an assistant for Susan Fleishman, executive vice president for Warner Brothers corporate communications. "Mr. Bale is there as himself, not representing Warner Brothers." While petitions were started to get the actor to do this (some rather tastelessly suggesting that he appear in full costume as Batman), the fact he has done so of his own accord and without any photo opportunities is a VERY cool move on the actors part. Hospital personnel have apparently been overheard saying he was talking to patients. Earlier this week, Bale released a statement expressing his sympathies to those affected by the tragedy. "Words cannot express the horror that I feel. I cannot begin to truly understand the pain and grief of the victims and their loved ones, but my heart goes out to them."
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That's how the revolutionary war kicked off the Red coats were coming to confiscate munitions in Concord.
Exactly, first it was tax this and tax that, then let's take your weapons...
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Rob can you take off that ninja star on your arm and use it as a weapon?
lmfao post of the thread right here
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For people who want guns banned, let me break it down to you all how easily someone could have wiped out half the people at that theater without a gun or driving a massive truck through the wall. A crazy bastard could go pick a tree full of Apricot peaches, bring them back to his/her apartment. Spend the a weekend crushing the Apricot kernels down to a very fine powder. Take the powder and put it into the same salt shaker the theater uses at the popcorn stand. A shake from the salt shaker would probably go toward helping cure someone's cancer. A few shakes of the salt shaker would be enough cyanide to kill off half the people in the theater(Or everyone who uses salt).
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Rob can you take off that ninja star on your arm and use it as a weapon?
Lmfao
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For people who want guns banned, let me break it down to you all how easily someone could have wiped out half the people at that theater without a gun or driving a massive truck through the wall. A crazy bastard could go pick a tree full of Apricot peaches, bring them back to his/her apartment. Spend the a weekend crushing the Apricot kernels down to a very fine powder. Take the powder and put it into the same salt shaker the theater uses at the popcorn stand. A shake from the salt shaker would probably go toward helping cure someone's cancer. A few shakes of the salt shaker be everyone putting salt on their popcorn would be enough cyanide to kill off half the people in the theater(Or everyone who uses salt).
Intricate Meltdown.
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;D
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Lol @ comments with old articles
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Exsctlh, first it was tax this and tax that, then let's take your weapons...
Kind of ironic isnt it?
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Kind of ironic isnt it?
"Uh sir, you know that there is a bag tax in Montgomery Co, Md? And there is a 'bottle' tax in Baltimore?"
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In the Roman Republic, free men were supposed to have their own weapons and armour so that if needed they could defend their country and their property from foreign enemies or local despots.
Their people had risen up against the rule of oppressive Kings and established a system where male property owners voted for their leaders each year.
Then when the Republic became an Empire and Dictatorship, civilians were prohibited from having any weapons.
The reason for this was so that the public could not rise up against the state and could be kept under better control. The leadership could do whatever they wanted and charge whatever taxes and no-one could stop them.
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In the Roman Republic, free men were supposed to have their own weapons and armour so that if needed they could defend their country and their property from foreign enemies or local despots.
Their people had risen up against the rule of oppressive Kings and established a system where male property owners voted for their leaders each year.
Then when the Republic became an Empire and Dictatorship, civilians were prohibited from having any weapons.
The reason for this was so that the public could not rise up against the state and could be kept under better control.
Great post, very interesting roots to our civil liberties isn't there
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A former classmate from the University of Colorado suggested another cause for the killings, describing Holmes as someone who had lost touch with reality after becoming 'obsessed' with video games.
The classmate told the Daily Mail: 'James was obsessed with computer games and was always playing role-playing games.
'I can’t remember which one but it was something like World of Warcraft, one of those where you compete against people on the internet.
'He did not have much of a life apart from that and doing his work. James seemed like he wanted to be in the game and be one of the characters.
'It seemed that being online was more important to him than real life. He must have lost his sense of reality, how else can you shoot dozens of people you don’t know?'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177294/James-Holmes-broke-girlfriend-just-Dark-Knight-Rises-shooting-spree-Colorado.html#ixzz21dQqVCVL
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Prostitute Calls Colorado Shooting Suspect 'Really Nice'; He Felt Bad Her Business Was Slow
Abby Rogers|55 minutes ago|1,493|1
Before allegedly opening fire on a crowded theater of Batman fans, James Holmes reportedly kept himself busy by frequenting prostitutes.
And one of them has only nice things to say about the man allegedly responsible for killing 12 people during Friday's midnight premier of "The Dark Knight Rises."
The woman, who calls herself Tiffany, told TMZ she had "no issues" with Holmes, whom she identified as a customer.
"He was really nice," she told TMZ. "He felt bad that I wasn't getting more customers while in Colorado, so he called a few days later and we met up again."
Holmes reportedly posted often on a message board meant to review prostitutes working in the Colorado area. He posted several critiques "in which he details multiple sexual encounters with different prostitutes," TMZ reported Wednesday.
TMZ spoke to two other prostitutes, one of whom said she couldn't positively identify Holmes as a client. The other said Holmes "looked very familiar," but couldn't say for sure if he was a client.
Holmes' attorneys did not comment to TMZ on its story.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/prostitute-calls-colorado-shooting-suspect-really-nice-says-he-felt-bad-her-business-was-lacking-2012-7#ixzz21eSotx8J
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A former classmate from the University of Colorado suggested another cause for the killings, describing Holmes as someone who had lost touch with reality after becoming 'obsessed' with video games.
The classmate told the Daily Mail: 'James was obsessed with computer games and was always playing role-playing games.
'I can’t remember which one but it was something like World of Warcraft, one of those where you compete against people on the internet.
'He did not have much of a life apart from that and doing his work. James seemed like he wanted to be in the game and be one of the characters.
'It seemed that being online was more important to him than real life. He must have lost his sense of reality, how else can you shoot dozens of people you don’t know?'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177294/James-Holmes-broke-girlfriend-just-Dark-Knight-Rises-shooting-spree-Colorado.html#ixzz21dQqVCVL
So now we are moving from blaming guns to blaming Video Games with wizards and shit?
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So now we are moving from blaming guns to blaming Video Games with wizards and shit?
Hey why not? Blame everybody!
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I see the gun as a TOOL. just like a screwdriver or a pair of work boots. Albeit, a dangerous tool. I hide it like I hide my power saw or medicine. dangerous. But serves a purpose.
That purpose is, of course, to remove potential threats. If I break down and I'm changing my tire, and a car containing 2 men with steak knives bent on robbing me - then YES that gun most certainly has a social utility.
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Hey why not? Blame everybody!
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4669812732_5407c2534c.jpg)
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So now we are moving from blaming guns to blaming Video Games with wizards and shit?
Yeah, no shit.
Not even games like GTA, no they blame WoW.
A fantasy game based heavily on Nordic mythology.
Yeah.
Blame everyone but the man.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to
Wow!!!!
AURORA, Colo. – James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com.
Police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect. Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes’ name in the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.
A second law enforcement source said authorities got a warrant from a county judge and took the package away Monday night. When it was opened, its chilling contents were revealed.
“There were drawings of what he was going to do in it--drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
- Law enorcement source
“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,” the source told FoxNews.com. “There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures.
The source said the package had been in the mailroom since July 12, though another source who confirmed the discovery to FoxNews.com could not say if the package arrived prior to Friday's massacre. It was not clear why it had not been delivered to the psychiatrist. The notebook is now in possession of the FBI, sources told FoxNews.com.
Both sources said the intended recipient of Holmes’ notebook was a professor who also treated patients at the psychiatry outpatient facility, located in Building 500, where the first suspicious package was delivered. It could not be verified that the psychiatrist had had previous contact with Holmes, who was a dropout from the school’s neuroscience doctoral program and had studied various mental health issues and ailments as part of his curriculum.
Holmes is accused of killing 12 and injuring 58 at a midnight showing of the Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises” at the Century 16 Theater in Aurora.
University of Colorado spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said she was not aware of the contents of the package or who had sent it.
Agent Dave Joly, of the FBI’s Denver Division, declined to comment on the matter, citing a gag order issued Monday by Arapahoe County District Judge William Sylvester. Arapahoe County District Attorney Carol Chambers' office and Aurora police also could not comment due to the gag order.
Police believe the July 20 attack was meticulously planned. Holmes allegedly tossed tear gas canisters into the crowded theater, and then fired his 12-gauge shotgun at the ceiling before turning it on the crowd. As panicked movie watchers raced for the exits, he switched to a .40 Glock pistol and a .223 Smith & Wesson M&P semi-automatic with a high-capacity drum clip, sources told Fox News. The gun jammed, likely preventing far more deaths.
After the gun jammed, Holmes allegedly walked out of the theater through the door he'd entered and was removing his body armor beside his car when he was confronted by the officers who took him down, the source said, adding that the gunman seemed surprised authorities arrived so quickly.
Before mounting the horrific attack, Holmes allegedly booby-trapped his apartment and left music blasting, possibly to create a diversion that would occupy police and rescue personnel several miles away from the theater, the source said.
Fox News has learned that the door was wired with a booby-trap and a backup system that would have triggered an explosive designed to "cut in half" the first person through the door. After that, explosions and flames would have likely consumed the entire building, presumably with the intention of trapping other residents as they slept and forcing a massive response of police and rescue personnel.
Holmes, who made his first court appearance Monday and looked disoriented and disheveled, could face the death penalty.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/#ixzz21eeAzfWQ
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The guy WANTED to get caught... deep down.
That's why he told everyone what he was going to do.
What a fucking nutjob.
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Hey why not? Blame everybody!
We could always Blame Obama somehow you know.
JK Bro. haha
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We could always Blame Obama somehow you know.
JK Bro. haha
Oh don't worry, I'm already coming up with the angle soon. ;D ;D ;D
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lol
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Hey why not? Blame everybody!
No.....the Reverends Al and Jesse are steering clear of this shooting (too white) and the shooting of the 4-year old at the "charity" basketball game in NYC last week (no white person to blame).
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In the Roman Republic, free men were supposed to have their own weapons and armour so that if needed they could defend their country and their property from foreign enemies or local despots.
Their people had risen up against the rule of oppressive Kings and established a system where male property owners voted for their leaders each year.
Then when the Republic became an Empire and Dictatorship, civilians were prohibited from having any weapons.
The reason for this was so that the public could not rise up against the state and could be kept under better control. The leadership could do whatever they wanted and charge whatever taxes and no-one could stop them.
America is a mirror image of Rome. Power, greed, decadence, and the eventual fall.
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America is a mirror image of Rome. Power, greed, decadence, and the eventual fall.
I agree.
The founding fathers of the Roman Republic were against opulence and outward displays of wealth. The aristocracy were farmers and applied their more rustic and simple virtues to everyday life.
They viewed opulence as a weakness, a type of corruption. Outwards displays of wealth were almost scandalous and frowned upon. Such a person would not be viewed as virtuous or suitable for public office.
But eventually, towards the end of the Roman Republic, the ego took over. The aristocracy were no longer content to merely have wealth and land and live a good life, they wanted to show others their wealth.
In order words, the rustic simpler values started to change. It was all about the biggest palace you could build on the prime spot overlooking the city or the biggest most crazy banquette and entertainment you could stage.
Instead of people looking up to heroism or the virtues of their leaders, it became all about getting more wealth and political power. The titles you had became more important than what you actually stood for or believed in.
Before, Romans used to admire simple frugal values and would elect their leaders according to this criteria.
In times of crises they would elect a 'Dictator' (where we get the modern word) to lead them for a set term where they would rule absolutely and then relinquish power.
One of them was Cincinnatus who was apparently summoned from his farm while he was literally ploughing a field!
I think this is the main similarity with America.
The founding fathers admired virtue and like the early Romans were also simpler and more modest people who truly believed in freedom and their values.
The death of the Roman Republic came about due to personal ego's, where politicians and generals wanted as much power as possible for themselves.
Which in turn lead to several civil wars and eventually a dictatorship that would last over a thousand years.
The Republic did fight for their freedom and for the Senate but they lost.
But they still had the old virtues, when they knew it was over on the battlefield the leaders killed themselves with their own swords.
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^Let the Church say Amen
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I agree.
The founding fathers of the Roman Republic were against opulence and outward displays of wealth. The aristocracy were farmers and applied their more rustic and simple virtues to everyday life.
They viewed opulence as a weakness, a type of corruption. Outwards displays of wealth were almost scandalous and frowned upon. Such a person would not be viewed as virtuous or suitable for public office.
But eventually, towards the end of the Roman Republic, the ego took over. The aristocracy were no longer content to merely have wealth and land and live a good life, they wanted to show others their wealth.
In order words, the rustic simpler values started to change. It was all about the biggest palace you could build on the prime spot overlooking the city or the biggest most crazy banquette and entertainment you could stage.
Instead of people looking up to heroism or the virtues of their leaders, it became all about getting more wealth and political power. The titles you had became more important than what you actually stood for or believed in.
Before, Romans used to admire simple frugal values and would elect their leaders according to this criteria.
In times of crises they would elect a 'Dictator' (where we get the modern word) to lead them for a set term where they would rule absolutely and then relinquish power.
One of them was Cincinnatus who was apparently summoned from his farm while he was literally ploughing a field!
I think this is the main similarity with America.
The founding fathers admired virtue and like the early Romans were also simpler and more modest people who truly believed in freedom and their values.
The death of the Roman Republic came about due to personal ego's, where politicians and generals wanted as much power as possible for themselves.
Which in turn lead to several civil wars and eventually a dictatorship that would last over a thousand years.
The Republic did fight for their freedom and for the Senate but they lost.
But they still had the old virtues, when they knew it was over on the battlefield the leaders killed themselves with their own swords.
Bingo bango.
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Have jumped to save a girlfriend with your life?
(CNN) -- Great evil often brings out the best in good men, men like Todd Beamer on Flight 93, Medal of Honor recipient Michael Murphy in Afghanistan and now the Aurora three -- the three young men, each in different parts of theater nine, who gave their lives to protect their girlfriends.
Twenty-five-year-old Jon Blunk was sitting next to his girlfriend, Jansen Young, at the midnight premiere of "The Dark Night Rises" when the gunman (who shall remain nameless) opened fire in the dark theater. Blunk instinctively pushed his girlfriend to the ground and threw his body on top of hers. Blunk, a security guard, served eight years in the Navy and was in the process of re-enlisting in hopes of becoming a Navy SEAL, family and friends said. He was killed in the gunfire; his girlfriend survived.
Twenty-four-year-old Alex Teves dived on top of his girlfriend, Amanda Lindgren, when the gunfire erupted. Covering her body, he took the bullets so they did not harm her. She survived the massacre; he did not.
Matt McQuinn, 27 years old, threw his body in front of his girlfriend, Samantha Yowler, as the shooting continued. Yowler survived with a gunshot wound to the knee; McQuinn's body absorbed the fatal shots.
These men were three of the 12 innocent people killed early that morning. Their incredible sacrifice leaves us asking: Why? Why would a young man with his entire life ahead of him risk everything for a woman he has no legal, financial or marital obligations to?
Opinion: Looking into the minds of killers
As Hanna Rosin so eloquently pointed out in a recent article, calling it chivalry would be a tremendous understatement. By all appearances, these men believed that a man has a responsibility to protect a woman, even to the point of death. They believed that there are things in life worth dying for and the innocent woman sitting next to them was one.
Babysitter tried to save youngest victim
They believed, to put it simply, in a code of honor. They put the lives of the women before their own, an old fashioned notion to be sure, but certainly an honorable one (if you have any doubt, ask the survivors). Their instincts were to protect, not run away.
From all accounts, these young men were average, working men in their 20s. (We know a little about Jon Blunk, but not much, and we know even less about the others.) Like all men, they had their own struggles. After his death we learned that Blunk had an ex-wife and two children living in Nevada. He was scheduled to visit them to resolve marital issues. This isn't to take anything away from Blunk or the other two heroes, but to illustrate that, in spite of shortcomings, men can still recognize what it means to be a good man and act like one.
This is especially important given the state of many men today. Record numbers of men aren't working or even looking for work. Record numbers aren't marrying or even acting as fathers to their children. These men need heroes to imitate whom they can relate to in everyday life, not just make-believe superheroes who catch their imagination for an hour or two. They need heroes like the Aurora three.
While much of the media obsesses over the psychology and motivations of this deranged killer, we should hold the Aurora three high. It is only by telling their story that this code of honor will survive for future generations of men. "The world is forwarded by having its attention fixed on the best things," Matthew Arnold wrote.
In an age when traditional manhood has been increasingly relegated to fiction -- capes, masks and green screens -- these three men stand as real-life heroes. Their actions remind us that good triumphs over evil, not just in movies, but also in reality.
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Before I had kids, I did some risky stuff a few times to help/save a person. Stuff I wouldn't do now, because my responsibility towards my children prevails.... :)
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The woman who wrote that left out the crucial part: The sort of loyalty these gentlemen displayed is the function of year after year of cheerfully performed daily oral service from their girl. Cocksucking: The life you save may be your own.
And no. Obviously.
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My mother and sisters - Yes!
Girlfriend - No!
girl will be out with another man in a week while I rot in a cemetery and miss a life-time with my family.
We all make mistakes. You just want to make sure you can recover from your's.
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I would gladly pull some ex-girlfriends in front of me to take them bullets... ;D
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I would gladly pull some ex-girlfriends in front of me to take them bullets... ;D
lol!
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i woulda threw my wife at the gunman and got the hell outta dodge, i could always get another wife but not another life
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Yes. I'd rather go out as a useful hero to humanity, rather than an old cripple wearing depend diapers with a drawer full of Rx medication.
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i woulda threw my wife at the gunman and got the hell outta dodge, i could always get another wife but not another life
I read once that if western men are given to choice to rescue either their mother or their wife from death, they mostly save their wife.
Almost all Japanese men would save their mother, saying you can always marry again, but you only got one mother..... :D
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America, 3am: "I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WE'RE FIGHTING ABOUT! YES, I'LL TAKE A FUCKING BULLET FOR YOU! OK?!"
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the truth is all r wives/girlfriends would be banging another guy in little time if we dropped dead today, who ever thinks different is kidding themselves.
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I thought this was a Would you hit thread.....
Oh well...
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Video, or it never haPpened
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the truth is all r wives/girlfriends would be banging another guy in little time if we dropped dead today, who ever thinks different is kidding themselves.
equally true... we'd be at her funeral evaulating which of the consoling friends we'll be banging in the ass inside of 10 days to blow off steam.
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equally true... we'd be at her funeral evaulating which of the consoling friends we'll be banging in the ass inside of 10 days to blow off steam.
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James Holmes' father Robert, who has degrees from Stanford, UCLA and Berkeley and currently works as a senior scientist at FICO in San Diego
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178852/James-Holmes-Did-Dark-Knight-gunman-snap-failing-meet-expectations-brilliant-academic-father.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178852/James-Holmes-Did-Dark-Knight-gunman-snap-failing-meet-expectations-brilliant-academic-father.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a)
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James Holmes has been forced to wear a face guard in prison because he will not stop spitting at guards
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/25/article-2178752-003F1C8600000258-862_306x423.jpg)
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My next door neighbour died saving his GF life upa mountain in New Zealand - she fell and he grabbed her stopped her but fell to his death. They were due to be married a few weeks later. He was a nice man.
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My wife,or my life?
See ya` honey! ;D
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all made up stories
just to make these pussies die as heros
a bunch of BS
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A girlfriend? No.
Tapeworm...LOL. So classic.
My wife? Yes. She will be a better single parent to the kids than I can be. Even though I try really hard, moms just do a better job with kids than dads. And she'll live to a ripe old age. If bullets don't strike me down, I'll still be lucky to live past 55. Not a good age for a dad to die.
Plus, she gets a shit-ton of money for her and the kids if I die, and no more financial woes for her and the kids.
good points snx, when i look at it from your point of view it makes sense that my son would be better off with his mother than me.
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Seems the newest thing todo for the political correct assholes that cannot deal with reality is to not write the name of the asshole who shot 12 people dead but instead put (who shall remain nameless) in the articles ::)
What are these fucking mongs on about?
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Seems the newest thing todo for the political correct assholes that cannot deal with reality is to not write the name of the asshole who shot 12 people dead but instead put (who shall remain nameless) in the articles ::)
What are these fucking mongs on about?
Obama started that , he wouldn't mention the asshole by name :-\
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Obama started that , he wouldn't mention the asshole by name :-\
I'm aware of that and quite right so, as a president who has just visited the survivors I understand that, but CNN? one of the biggest news whores out there? Pretending they have morals ? Fuck that CNN and any big news agencies don't have any morals left, they pray for a shooting and war every day.
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I'm aware of that and quite right so, as a president who has just visited the survivors I understand that, but CNN? one of the biggest news whores out there? Pretending they have morals ? Fuck that CNN and any big news agencies don't have any morals left, they pray for a shooting and war every day.
Agreed obama was adressing the problem, cnn were exploiting it.
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yes nuke that superpower of crooks, im done with that country
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It kind of makes sense, dont mention his name and he cant get what he most wants, which is notoriety
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I gotta say I LOVE the idea of never speaking the name of the killer. fck him. Write it in print, but just replace it with "coward shooter".
Cause every one of them planning on being a legend - they'll be aware they will be called a coward millions of times.
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Funny that they had no problem using Osama Bin Laden's name everyday for over a decade. And when Obama took credit of capturing him, why did he use his name? Not using someone's name makes people go and look up the name. And when someone does that, they have a better chance of remembering the name.
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as if James Holmes wont go down in infamy as a Real Life Comic book Villain
Hope he wrote and left behind a ted kaczynski type manifesto before he hangs
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I always take these stories with a grain of salt. Much like the so called hero's of flight 93.
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I always take these stories with a grain of salt. Much like the so called hero's of flight 93.
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Out of respect for the women's lib movement, I would not.
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Infowars.com
July 24, 2012
Appearing on the Alex Jones Show today, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen said accused shooter James Holmes had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers, including the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA.
James Holmes was one of six recipients of a National Institutes of Health Neuroscience Training Grant at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Denver, Madsen writes for the Wayne Madsen Report.
“The Anschutz Medical Campus is on the recently de-commisioned site of the U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center and is named after Philip Anschutz, the billionaire Christian fundamentalist oil and railroad tycoon who also owns The Examiner newspaper chain and website and the neo-conservative Weekly Standard,” Madsen explains. “The Anschutz Medical Campus was built by a $91 million grant from the Anschutz Foundation.”
Holmes also worked as a research assistant intern at the Salk Institute at the University of California at San Diego in La Jolla. The Salk Institute teamed up with DARPA, Columbia University, University of California at San Francisco, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Wake Forest University, and the candy bar company Mars “to prevent fatigue in combat troops through the enhanced use of epicatechina, a blood flow-increasing and blood vessel-dilating anti-oxidant flavanol found in cocoa and, particularly, in dark chocolate,” according to Madsen’s research.
The DARPA program was part of the military’s “Peak Soldier Performance Program,” which involved engineering brain-machine interfaces for battlefield use and other bionic projects.
In addition, James Holmes’ father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc., a company that worked with DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking.
The Holmes family appears to have deep connections to the military-industrial complex. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a graduate Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).
The elder Holmes, Madsen notes, more than likely worked in intelligence. “Typically, U.S. military officers conversant in Turkish served with either the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency at either the U.S. embassy in Ankara or the Consulate General in Istanbul, or both,” he writes.
“Was James Holmes engaged in a real-life Jason Bourne TREADSTONE project that broke down and resulted in deadly consequences in Aurora, Colorado?” Madsen concludes. Operation Treadstone was a fictional top-secret CIA project under which the character Jason Bourne underwent behavioral modification.
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i dont see this happening in a theater full of generation nothings
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Funny that they had no problem using Osama Bin Laden's name everyday for over a decade. And when Obama took credit of capturing him, why did he use his name? Not using someone's name makes people go and look up the name. And when someone does that, they have a better chance of remembering the name.
That's different. We needed a reason to start a war with them because we wanted their oil.
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You guys are so cool joking about this stuff. Unbelivable... ::)
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A girlfriend? No.
Tapeworm...LOL. So classic.
My wife? Yes. She will be a better single parent to the kids than I can be. Even though I try really hard, moms just do a better job with kids than dads. And she'll live to a ripe old age. If bullets don't strike me down, I'll still be lucky to live past 55. Not a good age for a dad to die.
Plus, she gets a shit-ton of money for her and the kids if I die, and no more financial woes for her and the kids.
You make it sound like a win-win situation... ;D
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Obama started that , he wouldn't mention the asshole by name :-\
Huckabee started it the morning after the shooting. But it doesn't matter who was the first to do it, the guy doesn't deserve to read about himself it the papers, that's the whole point. He wants to be a celebrity from all this shit.
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Thats cause the shooter mostly shot people of Caucasian descent and didn't specifically target African Americans or people of African descent. Didn't you get the memo; CNN is full of self hating white people.
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Infowars.com
July 24, 2012
Appearing on the Alex Jones Show today, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen said accused shooter James Holmes had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers, including the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA.
James Holmes was one of six recipients of a National Institutes of Health Neuroscience Training Grant at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Denver, Madsen writes for the Wayne Madsen Report.
“The Anschutz Medical Campus is on the recently de-commisioned site of the U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center and is named after Philip Anschutz, the billionaire Christian fundamentalist oil and railroad tycoon who also owns The Examiner newspaper chain and website and the neo-conservative Weekly Standard,” Madsen explains. “The Anschutz Medical Campus was built by a $91 million grant from the Anschutz Foundation.”
Holmes also worked as a research assistant intern at the Salk Institute at the University of California at San Diego in La Jolla. The Salk Institute teamed up with DARPA, Columbia University, University of California at San Francisco, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Wake Forest University, and the candy bar company Mars “to prevent fatigue in combat troops through the enhanced use of epicatechina, a blood flow-increasing and blood vessel-dilating anti-oxidant flavanol found in cocoa and, particularly, in dark chocolate,” according to Madsen’s research.
The DARPA program was part of the military’s “Peak Soldier Performance Program,” which involved engineering brain-machine interfaces for battlefield use and other bionic projects.
In addition, James Holmes’ father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc., a company that worked with DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking.
The Holmes family appears to have deep connections to the military-industrial complex. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a graduate Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).
The elder Holmes, Madsen notes, more than likely worked in intelligence. “Typically, U.S. military officers conversant in Turkish served with either the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency at either the U.S. embassy in Ankara or the Consulate General in Istanbul, or both,” he writes.
“Was James Holmes engaged in a real-life Jason Bourne TREADSTONE project that broke down and resulted in deadly consequences in Aurora, Colorado?” Madsen concludes. Operation Treadstone was a fictional top-secret CIA project under which the character Jason Bourne underwent behavioral modification.
the valid conspiricy theory behined all this makes you wonder
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funny, not one single story of a Girlfriend taking a bullet for her boyfriend ::) ::)
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Wife, yes, and it would be instinctual. Girlfriend, and I'm on my 25, fuck no.
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It kind of makes sense, dont mention his name and he cant get what he most wants, which is notoriety
WE ALLREADY KNOW HIS GOD DAMN NAME! ::)
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It kind of makes sense, dont mention his name and he cant get what he most wants, which is notoriety
this
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nobody gives a shit about CNN , FOX, NBC, ABC , MSN, bush of no good reporters, you want real time , breaking news , hit up TMZ, they are first to break any story nowadays , and have all the inside story on it, most major news networks now quote TMZ during their broadcast once or twice a day
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the valid conspiricy theory behined all this makes you wonder
All roads lead to Zionism and One World Government. Holmes might just be another stooge - just as Breivik was. Pushing the agenda and killing white people.
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Thats cause the shooter mostly shot people of Caucasian descent and didn't specifically target African Americans or people of African descent. Didn't you get the memo; CNN is full of self hating white people.
Bingo! If the victims were black you would see his name in bold on all major news sites and stations.
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You guys are so cool joking about this stuff. Unbelivable... ::)
This is nothing. Be thankful you didn't witness the 'what size fuse do you take' incident of '08.
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All roads lead to Zionism and One World Government. Holmes might just be another stooge - just as Breivik was. Pushing the agenda and killing white people.
1/10 You're not even trying
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For conspiracy theorists you guys are of limited imagination
How did this fella got apprehended exactly?
How come he doesnt talk?
How sure can anyone be that he did what he is accused of?
etc
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For conspiracy theorists you guys are of limited imagination
How did this fella got apprehended exactly?
How come he doesnt talk?
How sure can anyone be that he did what he is accused of?
etc
The State of Colorado has him all drugged up on meds, he wont be talking ever again, They also barred any further cameras in the court room during his trial, and now it appears they have him wearing a Mask like hannibal lecter
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If I had the chance to save anyone, then why not? If option 1 is that we both get shot, option 2 is that I get shot and save a person.
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Infowars.com
July 24, 2012
Appearing on the Alex Jones Show today, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen said accused shooter James Holmes had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers, including the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA.
James Holmes was one of six recipients of a National Institutes of Health Neuroscience Training Grant at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Denver, Madsen writes for the Wayne Madsen Report.
“The Anschutz Medical Campus is on the recently de-commisioned site of the U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center and is named after Philip Anschutz, the billionaire Christian fundamentalist oil and railroad tycoon who also owns The Examiner newspaper chain and website and the neo-conservative Weekly Standard,” Madsen explains. “The Anschutz Medical Campus was built by a $91 million grant from the Anschutz Foundation.”
Holmes also worked as a research assistant intern at the Salk Institute at the University of California at San Diego in La Jolla. The Salk Institute teamed up with DARPA, Columbia University, University of California at San Francisco, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Wake Forest University, and the candy bar company Mars “to prevent fatigue in combat troops through the enhanced use of epicatechina, a blood flow-increasing and blood vessel-dilating anti-oxidant flavanol found in cocoa and, particularly, in dark chocolate,” according to Madsen’s research.
The DARPA program was part of the military’s “Peak Soldier Performance Program,” which involved engineering brain-machine interfaces for battlefield use and other bionic projects.
In addition, James Holmes’ father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc., a company that worked with DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking.
The Holmes family appears to have deep connections to the military-industrial complex. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a graduate Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).
The elder Holmes, Madsen notes, more than likely worked in intelligence. “Typically, U.S. military officers conversant in Turkish served with either the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency at either the U.S. embassy in Ankara or the Consulate General in Istanbul, or both,” he writes.
“Was James Holmes engaged in a real-life Jason Bourne TREADSTONE project that broke down and resulted in deadly consequences in Aurora, Colorado?” Madsen concludes. Operation Treadstone was a fictional top-secret CIA project under which the character Jason Bourne underwent behavioral modification.
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Dumbest thing posted to date.
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Seems the newest thing todo for the political correct assholes that cannot deal with reality is to not write the name of the asshole who shot 12 people dead but instead put (who shall remain nameless) in the articles ::)
What are these fucking mongs on about?
It's not about being politically correct, there is damn good reason not to mention his name and they are right about it.
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I personally think its nonsensical.
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Dumbest thing posted to date.
COINTELPRO reported
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not to glorify him in the media im guessing? ???
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The State of Colorado has him all drugged up on meds, he wont be talking ever again, They also barred any further cameras in the court room during his trial, and now it appears they have him wearing a Mask like hannibal lecter
time to break him out so he can start his criminal empire.... all aside.. as someone mentioned hes kinda iconic how he did it, like a comic book villian
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not to glorify him in the media im guessing? ???
they're not glorifying him in the media but running nothing else on TV other than him 23 hours a day.
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they're not glorifying him in the media but running nothing else on TV other than him 23 hours a day.
hahah true... just like they did with those two suicidal teens like 12 years ago in colorado... what better way to go out then becoming famous. the stupid media makes you famous
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Can't wait for micheal moore's new movie, ..... bowling against batman
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/8/1268087541561/Michael-Moore-001.jpg)
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Can't wait for micheal moore's new movie, ..... bowling against batman
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/8/1268087541561/Michael-Moore-001.jpg)
Imagine if the shooter wore a Micheal Moore mask. I wonder how the liberal media would have reported that?
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I personally think its nonsensical.
Love Louis CK's stuff.
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My mother and sisters - Yes!
Girlfriend - No!
What about if she is your wife?
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2 seconds into the video of his act i wanted James to Shoot This Boring Piece of shit... Fuck dane cook sucks balls sacks... only line he ever had was Welcome to thunderdome bitch .... guy is a fucking Bore
Video to Joke in link
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/27/dane-cook-colorado-shooting-massacre-dark-knight-rises-laugh-factory/ (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/27/dane-cook-colorado-shooting-massacre-dark-knight-rises-laugh-factory/)
Dane Cook is using the Colorado shooting tragedy as material for his standup act.
Last night, Cook took the stage at the Laugh Factory on Sunset Blvd. and began to talk about "Dark Knight Rises."
In footage, obtained by DailyCaller.com, Cook can be heard saying ...
"So I heard that the guy came into the theater about 25 minutes into the movie ... And I don’t know if you’ve seen the movie, but the movie is pretty much a piece of crap ... yeah, spoiler alert.”
Cook continued ... “I know that if none of that would have happened, pretty sure that somebody in that theater, about 25 minutes in, realizing it was a piece of crap, was probably like ‘ugh f*cking shoot me.’”
Some people in the crowd laughed ... some people groaned.
For the record, the shooting occurred exactly one week ago ... 12 people were killed and 58 were injured with many people still hospitalized.
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WTF is up with Colorado? They kill people left and right monthly.
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Cook can proudly say He didn't steal that joke. :-\
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All Zionism!
Beware - London Olympics is a big sausage fest sending interturbulent reptile matter around the globe.
Dr. Icke has warned us many times... so sad that so few are ready to listen.
Buy silver now! >:(
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Shut the fuck up you worthless f.aggot. What the hell do you know about guns? Drugs are illegal right? Does that stop millions of people from being junkies? Does it stop people from buying and selling dope? Stricter gun laws only effect the responsible citizens. In New York State you have to go through a million hoops to get a handgun permit. You think bad guys are going to go through all of that trouble to procure a hand gun? No dummy criminals don't follow the rules. My dads a legit buisness owner, he wanted to get a handgun to protect his buisness. He gave up after he realized all of the bullshit inconvience you have to go through just to get one.
Just because one lunatic out of millions of responsible gun owners blows a fuse doesn't mean everyone else should be punished. Look how many people get killed by ciggerettes, drunk drivers, car accidents, etc etc. Do we outlaw those things? No we make the penalties more severe.
your right. all weapons should be legal for everyone to buy. if everyone has a gun, there ought to be way less gun violence. makes sense ;D nuclear weapons ought to be legal as well. if every country on the planet could have one, if every house hold had a nuke in the back yard ready to fire off at a seconds notice.. the world would be MUCH safer ;D
I pulled this from Wiki but it's everwhere else...I hope you're intelligent enough to draw conclusions...
You're an idiologue...that doesn't work here....
In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21][18]
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
Gun rights activist David Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984.[19] Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999.[20]
Later research claims that there is no evidence that [the law] reduced the rate of home burglaries [in Kennesaw][21][22], even though the overall crime rate had decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005.[23]
The city's website[24] claims the city has the lowest crime rate in the county.
LOL a gun rights activist calling me an ideologue ;D
As usual YOU are wrong and can't grasp the subject. NO the solution isn't more guns it's don't prohibit LEGAL LAW ABIDING citizens rights to guns because of some mental case
More laws isn't the solution to the problem when criminals don't follow them. the laws are affecting the wrong people
did anyone say anything about preventing "law abiding citizens" from owning a firearm? (what does law abiding mean anyways? does someone with a speeding ticket get prohibited from buying a gun? how about a child molestor? a person who used a knife in an attack? what about an ex soldier who killed hundreds of people on the battle field but never broke a law in his life?)
because criminals wont follow a law the law shouldnt be in place ? people still commit murder despite it being illegal, so murder should be legal to prevent murder from happening? that way if someones about to murder someone else they will be dettered from doing so knowing that they may be murdered for having murderous intent?
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as if James Holmes wont go down in infamy as a Real Life Comic book Villain
Hope he wrote and left behind a ted kaczynski type manifesto before he hangs
You can disagree with me but I am against putting Kaczynski in the same category as filt like Holmes. Ted at least was brilliant and some rhyme and reason to his killing regardless of how wrong it was and how much I disagree with his bombings. Just my .02.
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your right. all weapons should be legal for everyone to buy. if everyone has a gun, there ought to be way less gun violence. makes sense ;D nuclear weapons ought to be legal as well. if every country on the planet could have one, if every house hold had a nuke in the back yard ready to fire off at a seconds notice.. the world would be MUCH safer ;D
LOL a gun rights activist calling me an ideologue ;D
did anyone say anything about preventing "law abiding citizens" from owning a firearm? (what does law abiding mean anyways? does someone with a speeding ticket get prohibited from buying a gun? how about a child molestor? a person who used a knife in an attack? what about an ex soldier who killed hundreds of people on the battle field but never broke a law in his life?)
because criminals wont follow a law the law shouldnt be in place ? people still commit murder despite it being illegal, so murder should be legal to prevent murder from happening? that way if someones about to murder someone else they will be dettered from doing so knowing that they may be murdered for having murderous intent?
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Every single person starts out as a law abiding citizen
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did anyone say anything about preventing "law abiding citizens" from owning a firearm? (what does law abiding mean anyways? does someone with a speeding ticket get prohibited from buying a gun? how about a child molestor? a person who used a knife in an attack? what about an ex soldier who killed hundreds of people on the battle field but never broke a law in his life?)
because criminals wont follow a law the law shouldnt be in place ? people still commit murder despite it being illegal, so murder should be legal to prevent murder from happening? that way if someones about to murder someone else they will be dettered from doing so knowing that they may be murdered for having murderous intent?
;D
did anyone say anything about preventing "law abiding citizens" from owning a firearm? (what does law abiding mean anyways? does someone with a speeding ticket get prohibited from buying a gun? how about a child molestor? a person who used a knife in an attack? what about an ex soldier who killed hundreds of people on the battle field but never broke a law in his life?)
Actually yea, people since the shooting have been screaming for more gun control and banning certain types of firearms.
because criminals wont follow a law the law shouldnt be in place ? people still commit murder despite it being illegal, so murder should be legal to prevent murder from happening? that way if someones about to murder someone else they will be dettered from doing so knowing that they may be murdered for having murderous intent?
As usual you don't get it. :-\ Who said there shouldn't be laws in place? ??? There are roughly 20,000 gun laws already on the books we don't need any new laws that A) only punish people who follow the laws and B) that criminals aren't going to follow
Tragedies like this evoke a lot of emotion in people with good reason but it's misdirected. People realize they are helpless because they have no control over the lunatics who commit these crimes so they look at the the objects he used and then focus their attention on them
Would any new laws have prevented this? NO he actually attained all of his weapons legally. He passed the background checks , had no criminal record. You can't guess who is mentally ill and when they will go off
Would a reinstatement of the failed ' Assault weapons ban ' have prevented this? NO because there never was a ban on these weapons , only on certain cosmetic features like a retractable butt-stock , a flash suppressor and a bayonet lug as well as magazines that held more than 10 rounds at a time.
None of the banned features would have prevented this because one you could always buy a ' preban ' rifle and ' preban ' 30 or even 100 round magazines. Seeing the AR15 platform was developed in the late 1950s there are MILLIONS of these 30 round magazines floating around all made before the ' ban ' in 1994 which ended in 2004 when they resumed making brand new 30 round magazines. The 100 round magazines to my knowledge they didn't make in the millions , the military tested and found they weren't very reliable and to heavy for use so scrapped them. but they can be had ' preban '
Nothing would have prevented this lunatic from doing what he intended. People just can't accept that and think by passing these ' feel good ' measures that this will in the future some how prevent people from being able to carry out these acts. NOT going to happen. If every gun in the United States magically disappeared we would be reading about a lunatic that went into a movie theater with a sword and killed 12 people , or a flame thrower or whatever other means was available
You can't legislate sanity to the insane.
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Colorado is cursed, many killings yearly large scale.