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I'm a casual watcher of the NFL, and I watch college football on occasion. I know all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine. So I was wondering if you bastions of football knowledge agree or disagree that Tom Brady might be the greatest NFL player ever.
What does Getbig think?
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Will end up top 3 for sure
1. Joe Montana
2. Dick Butkus
3.tom Brady
4. Jerry rice
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Don't forget Walter Payton.
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Will end up top 3 for sure
1. Joe Montana
2. Dick Butkus
3.tom Brady
4. Jerry rice
All of those guys are better than John Elway?
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He's really good but I consider him a system QB. He got injured and missed a year the Pats went 11-5. Peyton Manning got injured and missed a year and the Colts lost almost every single game that season.
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All of those guys are better than John Elway?
No, but there are a lot of people are ARE better than Elway that have played in the NFL.
Staubach, Unitas just to drop two names off the top of my head...
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Switch peyton manning and brady a decade ago.
Patriots would have 5 rings. Brady/colts would have none.
Pats were still good without brady. Colts were 2-14 without manning.
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Don't forget Walter Payton.
Was Walter Payton better than Peyton Manning? I suppose whoever won the most MVP awards would has the best claim to best ever?
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Switch peyton manning and brady a decade ago.
Patriots would have 5 rings. Brady/colts would have none.
Pats were still good without brady. Colts were 2-14 without manning.
Cassel leads the Pats to an 11 win season.
The evil genius Bill Bellicheck is the greatest thing to ever happen to New England.
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Was Walter Payton better than Peyton Manning? I suppose whoever won the most MVP awards would has the best claim to best ever?
I don't know if Peyton Man-thing is the greatest player ever but he'll likely have 5 NFL Most Valuable Player Awards awards after this year. That's nothing to sneeze at. His teams might not end up with as many super bowls as Brady but Peyton does the most. He takes his teams on his back. I think he is a robot.
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Walter Jerry Payton[1] (July 25, 1954 November 1, 1999) was an American football running back who played for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League (NFL) for thirteen seasons. Walter Payton was known around the NFL as "Sweetness". He is remembered as one of the most prolific running backs in the history of American football. Payton, a nine-time Pro Bowl selectee, once held the league's record for most career rushing yards, touchdowns, carries, yards from scrimmage, all-purpose yards, and many other categories. His eight career touchdown passes are an NFL record for non-quarterbacks. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993. Hall of Fame NFL player and coach Mike Ditka described Payton as the greatest football player he had ever seenbut even greater as a human being.[2]
Payton began his football career in Mississippi, and went on to have an outstanding collegiate football career at Jackson State University where he was an All-American. He started his professional career with the Bears in 1975, who selected him as the 1975 Draft's fourth overall pick. Payton proceeded to win two NFL Most Valuable Player Awards and won Super Bowl XX with the 1985 Chicago Bears. After struggling with the rare liver disease primary sclerosing cholangitis for several months, Payton died on November 1, 1999, aged 45, from cholangiocarcinoma. His legacy includes the Walter Payton Award, the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, and a heightened awareness of the need for organ donations.
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No, but there are a lot of people are ARE better than Elway that have played in the NFL.
Staubach, Unitas just to drop two names off the top of my head...
Was Staubach better than Favre and Lawrence Taylor? I know Jim brown was very good, but if Wikipedia is right, Peyton manning has the most MVP awards.
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Walter Jerry Payton[1] (July 25, 1954 November 1, 1999) was an American football running back who played for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League (NFL) for thirteen seasons. Walter Payton was known around the NFL as "Sweetness". He is remembered as one of the most prolific running backs in the history of American football. Payton, a nine-time Pro Bowl selectee, once held the league's record for most career rushing yards, touchdowns, carries, yards from scrimmage, all-purpose yards, and many other categories. His eight career touchdown passes are an NFL record for non-quarterbacks. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993. Hall of Fame NFL player and coach Mike Ditka described Payton as the greatest football player he had ever seenbut even greater as a human being.[2]
Payton began his football career in Mississippi, and went on to have an outstanding collegiate football career at Jackson State University where he was an All-American. He started his professional career with the Bears in 1975, who selected him as the 1975 Draft's fourth overall pick. Payton proceeded to win two NFL Most Valuable Player Awards and won Super Bowl XX with the 1985 Chicago Bears. After struggling with the rare liver disease primary sclerosing cholangitis for several months, Payton died on November 1, 1999, aged 45, from cholangiocarcinoma. His legacy includes the Walter Payton Award, the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, and a heightened awareness of the need for organ donations.
See, this is interesting. If Walter Payton isn't the best back of all-time, it would be hard to consider him best player of all time?
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Was Staubach better than Favre and Lawrence Taylor? I know Jim brown was very good, but if Wikipedia is right, Peyton manning has the most MVP awards.
Peyton does, and Yes, Staubach was better than Favre and LT.
By far.
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Sometimes tough to rank "best" of anything, as we know here.
Gotta love how Walter Payton never ran out of bounds to avoid hits.
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Kurt Rambis.
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Coaches can't bring out this kind of greatness.
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Sometimes tough to rank "best" of anything, as we know here.
Gotta love how Walter Payton never ran out of bounds to avoid hits.
It seems as though Jerry rice is the only NFL player that is almost unanamously considered a clear cut best at his position all time.
Of maybe Dick Butkus?
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He's pretty fucking good.
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He's pretty fucking good.
Yeah. To the casual fan, like me, Brady seems to be head and shoulders better than everyone else.
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Jerry Rice was a monster. Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Manning, Barry Sanders. These guys were dominant players on their own regardless of who else was on their team. .
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Brady and Peyton are currently in a league of their own. As far as throughout history... thats a tough. They're both definitely in the top tier of all time greats.
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Cassel leads the Pats to an 11 win season.
The evil genius Bill Bellicheck is the greatest thing to ever happen to New England.
youre right about this.
Brady is very very good. However, Cassel did kick ass when he was out. And Cassel sucked in KC.
On the other hand, Peyton manning single-handedly made Colts good. With him, they were super bowl contender. Without, a 2 win season.
IF IF IF the Pats were a 2 win team without Brady that year, and the Colts went 11-5 with Kerry Collins last years, we'd all be declaring Manning worthless, and Brady a superhero.
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youre right about this.
Brady is very very good. However, Cassel did kick ass when he was out. And Cassel sucked in KC.
On the other hand, Peyton manning single-handedly made Colts good. With him, they were super bowl contender. Without, a 2 win season.
IF IF IF the Pats were a 2 win team without Brady that year, and the Colts went 11-5 with Kerry Collins last years, we'd all be declaring Manning worthless, and Brady a superhero.
You guys seem to forget that when the Colts were still kicking ass when Peyton was calling plays from the sideline during their superbowl run.
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You guys got something against defensive players being the best?
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Very hard to pick 1.
Tom is on the list.
I mean that team is top of league for closing in ona decade.
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Anthony Munoz
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youre right about this.
Brady is very very good. However, Cassel did kick ass when he was out. And Cassel sucked in KC.
On the other hand, Peyton manning single-handedly made Colts good. With him, they were super bowl contender. Without, a 2 win season.
IF IF IF the Pats were a 2 win team without Brady that year, and the Colts went 11-5 with Kerry Collins last years, we'd all be declaring Manning worthless, and Brady a superhero.
Everyone always say Brady is a systems QB ::) got news for these people EVERYONE IS A SYSTEMS QB, you gotta have the right coaches, system to work with your strengths and weaknesses , Brady was lucky that he had belichick on his side. Cassell wasn't a bad QB at all, He did lead them to the playoffs if I remember his first year or at least a pretty good record, KC now just sucks PERIOD!!
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He's really good but I consider him a system QB. He got injured and missed a year the Pats went 11-5. Peyton Manning got injured and missed a year and the Colts lost almost every single game that season.
::) repeating the same thing everyone says
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Anthony Munoz
Was Munoz better on offense than LT or Reggie White were on defense?
Or is it Jim Brown because he probably could have played any position?
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::) repeating the same thing everyone says
Is it the fact that it's true that bothers you or just that I pointed it out? The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5. That's an inconvenient truth to Brady fans.
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I'm a casual watcher of the NFL, and I watch college football on occasion. I know all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine. So I was wondering if you bastions of football knowledge agree or disagree that Tom Brady might be the greatest NFL player ever.
What does Getbig think?
No....not even close
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all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine.
most of us had an undocumented, self-diagnosed injury before 9th grade, which explains why our insane speed & strength feats never made the pages of pro scouting magazines.
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Switch peyton manning and brady a decade ago.
Patriots would have 5 rings. Brady/colts would have none.
Pats were still good without brady. Colts were 2-14 without manning.
Colts tanked the season to get the first pick. They used Manning as the scapegoat to do this. Manning doesn't have ice in his veins. He's actually a pretty bad playoff quarterback. I'd take his brother Eli in the playoffs everyday of the week over Peyton. When Eli is all said and done, he may have 4 or 5 rings. Peyton will probably only have one. And there's no way that Belichik would have Peyton as his QB. Bill B runs everything. And Peyton runs his own offence. Those two ego's never would have been able to win one Superbowl together.
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Colts tanked the season to get the first pick. They used Manning as the scapegoat to do this. Manning doesn't have ice in his veins. He's actually a pretty bad playoff quarterback. I'd take his brother Eli in the playoffs everyday of the week over Peyton. When Eli is all said and done, he may have 4 or 5 rings. Peyton will probably only have one.
This year will show you.
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This year will show you.
It's gonna be Eli and Brady in the Superbowl again.
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Colts tanked the season to get the first pick. They used Manning as the scapegoat to do this. Manning doesn't have ice in his veins. He's actually a pretty bad playoff quarterback. I'd take his brother Eli in the playoffs everyday of the week over Peyton. When Eli is all said and done, he may have 4 or 5 rings. Peyton will probably only have one. And there's no way that Belichik would have Peyton as his QB. Bill B runs everything. And Peyton runs his own offence. Those two ego's never would have been able to win one Superbowl together.
Peyton Manning will go down as the best regular season QB of all time. But the guy is a choke artist in the playoffs.
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It's gonna be Eli and Brady in the Superbowl again.
I don't know about that... The NFL is a wild ride.
IF that is the case though... The Giants WILL win.
Tom Coughlin has Bellichek's number and on the big stage, the Giants are always poised and confident... They will own New England again.
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Al bundy getting no love ???
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John Elway is the best QB in NFL history. No other qb did more with less.
Put Elway on the 1980's Joe Montana teams and they still win Super Bowls. Put Montana on Elway's 80's SuperBowl teams and Montana winds up in a wheel chair.
Elway could play in any era.
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John Elway is the best QB in NFL history. No other qb did more with less.
Put Elway on the 1980's Joe Montana teams and they still win Super Bowls. Put Montana on Elway's 80's SuperBowl teams and Montana winds up in a wheel chair.
Elway could play in any era.
Hahaha... Ridiculous... He didn't do shit until he had a running back... Montana had years with no running game and he just got with Rice for over 200 yards in a superbowl so... Uh... No.
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I don't know about that... The NFL is a wild ride.
IF that is the case though... The Giants WILL win.
Tom Coughlin has Bellichek's number and on the big stage, the Giants are always poised and confident... They will own New England again.
There's a different feel to this Patriots team. The defense is a lot better than the numbers suggest. And the offense is the best in the league. I do believe that the only team who could beat the Pats in a Superbowl would be the Giants. Any other NFC team will fold to the pressure.
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Hahaha... Ridiculous... He didn't do shit until he had a running back... Montana had years with no running game and he just got with Rice for over 200 yards in a superbowl so... Uh... No.
That just makes you sound stupid.....or ignorant, your choice.
Montana had Roger Craig-the first 1000 yard rusher and 1000 yard receiving running back in history.
Elway had Sammy Winder.
Montana had a pro bowl tight end, a pro bowl wr, and a hall of fame wide receiver and numerous pro bowl lineman.
Elway had-the 3 amigos. They would have been Montana's 6th option had they played for SF. He didn't have a pro bowl lineman untill well in the 90's.
Fact is-Elway single handedly took 3 teams to the SB that had no business being there. His last two, we all saw the results.
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Hahaha... Ridiculous... He didn't do shit until he had a running back... Montana had years with no running game and he just got with Rice for over 200 yards in a superbowl so... Uh... No.
Montana was the best ever. It's impossible to watch film on him and not come away thinking he's the best.
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That just makes you sound stupid.....or ignorant, your choice.
Montana had Roger Craig-the first 1000 yard rusher and 1000 yard receiving running back in history.
Elway had Sammy Winder.
Montana had a pro bowl tight end, a pro bowl wr, and a hall of fame wide receiver and numerous pro bowl lineman.
Elway had-the 3 amigos. They would have been Montana's 6th option had they played for SF. He didn't have a pro bowl lineman untill well in the 90's.
Fact is-Elway single handedly took 3 teams to the SB that had no business being there. His last two, we all saw the results.
Elite Quarterbacks create Pro bowlers. No doubt Elway was a freak of nature. And top 5 QB of all time imop. But Montana is a step above everyone who played the game. The only one who comes close to Montana is Brady.
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Is it the fact that it's true that bothers you or just that I pointed it out? The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5. That's an inconvenient truth to Brady fans.
It's not a "fact" just bc u say so. Brady just happens to have belichick as a coach, I repeat EVERY QB is a systems QB regardless. That's why coaches build teams around them but not everyone is a belichick or Brady which might go down as the best combo QB/coach of all time.
Cassell isn't that bad , people keep sayin "it's the system" well belichick finds guys specifically fits what he builds in which case every good coach and team should follow not just drafting the number 1 overall guy or best prospect.
Btw u can argue the pats won championships with a bunch of nobodies bet no one can even name their receivers or running backs
The colts and manning have had all star talents compared to the patriots
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Elite Quarterbacks create Pro bowlers. No doubt Elway was a freak of nature. And top 5 QB of all time imop. But Montana is a step above everyone who played the game. The only one who comes close to Montana is Brady.
Brady might not even be the best QB of his era. He's had the benefit of one coach and 1 system his whole career.
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That just makes you sound stupid.....or ignorant, your choice.
Montana had Roger Craig-the first 1000 yard rusher and 1000 yard receiving running back in history.
Elway had Sammy Winder.
Montana had a pro bowl tight end, a pro bowl wr, and a hall of fame wide receiver and numerous pro bowl lineman.
Elway had-the 3 amigos. They would have been Montana's 6th option had they played for SF. He didn't have a pro bowl lineman untill well in the 90's.
Fact is-Elway single handedly took 3 teams to the SB that had no business being there. His last two, we all saw the results.
No... You're the ignorant one... You don't look at the totality of Montana.
No one is arguing against Roger Craig... certainly not me... But for some reason, people forget that Craig was not there in 1981 when Montana won is first Superbowl.
See... in 1981... Montana took a 49ers team lackluster running game and won a superbowl.
Something Elway could NEVER do.
So in short... Montana greatest... Elway... Top 3 or 4.
Let's move on now.
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Haven't watched enough patriots to give a good opinion. it'll be fun to watch Aldon smith crack the shit out of him this week tho.
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Lol way to back track. Funny how you all of the sudden forgot about the 9 or 10 pro bowlers surrounding Montana.
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"The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5." -Pray_4_War
Bevo, I'm sorry but that is a fact.
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Lol way to back track. Funny how you all of the sudden forgot about the 9 or 10 pro bowlers surrounding Montana.
No backtracking... I'm talking about how in 1981 Montana had no running game.
A montana who had been in the league less than 2 years?
Elway has never matched Montana...
No backtracking at all... You must be a Denver fan. They always put Elway on a pedestal even when it's obvious he doesn't deserve it.
Everyone else who knows anything about football knows that Elway doesn't match up to quite a few Quarterbacks, but we give Elway his credit... He's great... He's just not the GREATEST.
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Let's not forget there was no Jerry Rice in 1981 either... Montana was certainly THE man when he won THAT superbowl.
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If to talk to 49er fans quite a few of them hold Steve Young in a similar light as Montana.
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No backtracking... I'm talking about how in 1981 Montana had no running game.
But he sure had a bad ass team around him.
Elway has never matched Montana...
Another retarded statement
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But he sure had a bad ass team around him.
Another retarded statement
Sure, Ronnie Lott was bad ass.
Ricky Patton had all of 540 fucking yards that season as the STAR running back... Cut the shit.
Elway's 3 superbowl losses had teams equally that good and he couldn't get it done.
Montana on EVERY level is better than Elway and the fact YOU consider that statement retarded shows obviously that you are a Denver fanboy.
Welcome to the NFL... Where Montana has 4 rings, and you got lucky with 2... Thanks to the legs of Terrell Davis.
If he didn't join that team, Elway goes the way of Marino.
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Elway's 3 superbowl losses had teams equally that good and he couldn't get it done.
The Broncos 3 SB teams were as good as the 88 49ers? Are you retarded or just stupid?
Montana on EVERY level is better than Elway.....
Every level? Elway had a better arm, durability, scrambling.
You know what he didn't have though-Bill Walsh.
Just like Brady has Bellichick, Walsh was a offensive genius that defined a generation.
Make everything equal. Give Elway a Bill Walsh system with the talent Montana had and Elway would have went to 8 SuperBowls.
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No, but there are a lot of people are ARE better than Elway that have played in the NFL.
Staubach, Unitas just to drop two names off the top of my head...
I take it back. You are a retard. Even Johnny U and Roger wouldn't say they were better than Elway with a straight face.
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Was Munoz better on offense than LT or Reggie White were on defense?
Or is it Jim Brown because he probably could have played any position?
I don't know anything about Football, but I got stuck in an elevator for three hours with Munoz. ;D
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Was Munoz better on offense than LT or Reggie White were on defense?
No.
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Peyton does, and Yes, Staubach was better than Favre and LT.
By far.
This is actually funny. To the OP, don't let this fool holmes guy lead you astray.
Roger Staubach may or may not be better than Favre.
But in no way is he better than LT. A player that revolutionized his position and may be the best defensive player in the history of the game.
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"The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5." -Pray_4_War
Bevo, I'm sorry but that is a fact.
They did miss a beat they didn't make playoffs
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They did miss a beat they didn't make playoffs
They won 11 games.
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They won 11 games.
Don't matter they didn't make play offs and when he played for the chiefs his 2nd year he was a pro bowler for that team but then again we are talking about the chiefs just as bad as Oakland....
Plus prior to that 09 season when cassel played he was under Brady for over 2/3 seasons already....
So from your analogy if tony romo played for the patriots he would have 5 SB titles ::)
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Is it the fact that it's true that bothers you or just that I pointed it out? The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5. That's an inconvenient truth to Brady fans.
That New England was able to go 11-5 without Brady isn't necessarily evidence that the Belichick system is responsible for the lion's share of the team's success: I should think it would be clear evidence of such only if the replacement QB was a nobody. The fact is, Cassel became a Pro Bowler and AFC Player of the Month shortly after landing in KC, which is an otherwise shitty team. So it still isn't clear how much credit should go to the system versus the QB (though it is clear that both made a positive contribution).
The only definitive evidence would be Brady going to another team and sucking plus NE continuing to thrive under the Belichick system in light of Brady's permanent absence, a situation which is of course almost certainly not going to happen.
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That New England was able to go 11-5 without Brady isn't necessarily evidence that the NE system is responsible for the lion's share of the team's success: I should think it would be clear evidence of such only if the replacement QB was a nobody. The fact is, Cassel became a Pro Bowler and AFC Player of the Month shortly after landing in KC, which is an otherwise shitty team. So it still isn't clear how much credit should go to the system versus the QB (though it is clear that both made a positive contribution).
Exactly but these boneheads keep throwing out "it's the system"
I keep saying EVERY GOOD QB plays in a system , good coaches build their players around their QB's strengths and have players that cater to the QB.
If these players had X coach or if X coach had X players. It's not that simple obviously guys that have never played or took the time to learn.
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He's really good but I consider him a system QB. He got injured and missed a year the Pats went 11-5. Peyton Manning got injured and missed a year and the Colts lost almost every single game that season.
Remember, Cassel went 11-5 on a team that was 16-0 the year before with Brady.
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Bradys House
(http://f3v3r.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/GISELE-TOM-BRADY-HOUSE3.jpg)
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The Broncos 3 SB teams were as good as the 88 49ers? Are you retarded or just stupid?
Every level? Elway had a better arm, durability, scrambling.
You know what he didn't have though-Bill Walsh.
Just like Brady has Bellichick, Walsh was a offensive genius that defined a generation.
Make everything equal. Give Elway a Bill Walsh system with the talent Montana had and Elway would have went to 8 SuperBowls.
This plus the same goes for Dan Marino. Montana admitted it in an interview a few years ago with Dan Lebatard!
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Brady might not even be the best QB of his era. He's had the benefit of one coach and 1 system his whole career.
1 system? What system was that? Bradys had many different offensive coordinators. Manning had 1, Tom Moore. Bradys had Weis, Obrien, Mcdaniels. All running different systems.
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When you use the term "football player" I do not put quarterbacks into that category. Sorry. The question should be is Tom Brady the best quarterback of all time.
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Bradys House
(http://f3v3r.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/GISELE-TOM-BRADY-HOUSE3.jpg)
amazing house... but I think i'd rather have a modest 5 bedroom home that didn't require a staff to run the place.
I'd feel weird in a house with 2 maids, a chef, security team, agent/manager, etc coming and going all the time.
I'd rather live in a super secret, gated community, with 15 foot high fences, and a house that is quiet and empty.
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Remember, Cassel went 11-5 on a team that was 16-0 the year before with Brady.
Yeah. I never understood why people point to Cassel's success as a knock on Brady. Pats just had a good team, that would have been better if Brady was on it. Pretty simple.
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amazing house... but I think i'd rather have a modest 5 bedroom home that didn't require a staff to run the place.
I'd feel weird in a house with 2 maids, a chef, security team, agent/manager, etc coming and going all the time.
I'd rather live in a super secret, gated community, with 15 foot high fences, and a house that is quiet and empty.
I totally agree!
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The most dominant player in NFL history is Jerry Rice. Ask any NFL analyst or former great...the majority will choose Jerry Rice. You'd think it would be a quarterback, but Rice was so dominant that he, more than anyone, changed the way opposing teams had to prepare for a game when facing him. At his best, he was virtually unstoppable. And his longevity is legendary. He is hands down the greatest NFL player of all time.
If I had to go position by position, my list of most dominant players by position would look like this:
Defensive End: Reggie White
Defensive Tackle: Joe Greene
Offensive Tackle: Anthony Munoz
Offensive Guard: Gene Upshaw
Center: Mike Webster
Quarterback: Joe Montana
Wide receiver: Jerry Rice
Tight End: Tony Gonzalez
Lineback Middle: Dick Butkus
Lineback outside: Lawrence Taylor
Safety: Ronnie Lott
Cornerback: Nighttraing Lane
Running Back: Walter Payton
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When you use the term "football player" I do not put quarterbacks into that category. Sorry. The question should be is Tom Brady the best quarterback of all time.
Only if you're asking the question, and you're not, so your opinion adds nothing to the discussion.
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Exactly but these boneheads keep throwing out "it's the system"
I keep saying EVERY GOOD QB plays in a system , good coaches build their players around their QB's strengths and have players that cater to the QB.
If these players had X coach or if X coach had X players. It's not that simple obviously guys that have never played or took the time to learn.
Good point. I'm struggling to come up with a QB that isn't a system quarterback. Favre? Marino? Red Grange? ;D
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Good point. I'm struggling to come up with a QB that isn't a system quarterback. Favre? Marino? Red Grange? ;D
Exactly. Would Joe Montana have had the success he did without the wisdom of Bill Walsh - the pioneer of the West Coast Offensive system? Perhaps not...so yes, a great quarterback cannot succeed without a great system/coach/teammates/preparation/planning.
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Exactly. Would Joe Montana have had the success he did without the wisdom of Bill Walsh - the pioneer of the West Coast Offensive system? Perhaps not...so yes, a great quarterback cannot succeed without a great system/coach/teammates/preparation/planning.
Fuck off. Montana is a Legend.
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This is actually funny. To the OP, don't let this fool holmes guy lead you astray.
Roger Staubach may or may not be better than Favre.
But in no way is he better than LT. A player that revolutionized his position and may be the best defensive player in the history of the game.
This from a guy who says Elway was better than Montana.
::)
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Fuck off. Montana is a Legend.
Of course he is El Gato Negro. That's why I put him in my list in my earlier post as the greatest quarterback of all time. Thanks for reading that great post I made on page 3. I hate you.
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To anwer the OP. No he's not.
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I totally agree!
I can't imagine ever relaxing with some shady ass staff being able to come thru my house as they please. Chef eyeballing my wife, Pedo security guy guarding kids, nah... I'd rather just cook my own meals and have the pitbulls keep the riff raff out.
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Joe Montana.
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Joe Montana.
Joe Montania.
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I can't imagine ever relaxing with some shady ass staff being able to come thru my house as they please. Chef eyeballing my wife, Pedo security guy guarding kids, nah... I'd rather just cook my own meals and have the pitbulls keep the riff raff out.
I count six pickup trucks with tools in them in front of his house, there's probably always fucking contractors fixing and upgrading shit and making noise. Not hating, but if i had that cash i would be someplace a lot smaller and private, you wouldn't be able to find my ass unless I wanted you to. And i would have a huge negro bodyguard who would have to change his name to Shabazz K. Morton
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People are way too focused on quaterbacks. Sure the game revolves around them but still, Jerry Rice was the most impressive athlete to grace football to me. And i didn't even like the 49ers, they were too good. I tend to go for the gritty untalented underdogs who make up for their shortcomings by being aggressive and dishonest. Like myself.
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True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.
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True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.
It's not like Phil Simms sucked, That's the thing with the draft. look at Brady, he was an afterthought...i'd bet there were still 6 Quarterbacks left on their board that had his skill set at the time and they went with him.
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True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.
Phil Simms could have been a great QB in the west coast system. 3 step drops, designed routes, timing routes...he was an accurate passer. But he didn't become all he could be in Bill Parcell's "run and play defense" type of system. Simms was very good, but one shudders to think what he could have done with a league unprepared for the West Coast Offense, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.
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Tom Brady at the Combine
Yes, laugh, but know he has 3 rings and maybe 4 after this year
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It's not like Phil Simms sucked, That's the thing with the draft. look at Brady, he was an afterthought...i'd bet there were still 6 Quarterbacks left on their board that had his skill set at the time and they went with him.
As a Giant fan I'm not complaing they got Simms :)
qb's taken before Brady
Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chad Redmab
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
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You guys got something against defensive players being the best?
Lawrence Taylor has been mentioned multiple times you illiterate son of a bitch.
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Phil Simms could have been a great QB in the west coast system. 3 step drops, designed routes, timing routes...he was an accurate passer. But he didn't become all he could be in Bill Parcell's "run and play defense" type of system. Simms was very good, but one shudders to think what he could have done with a league unprepared for the West Coast Offense, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.
Who know right?
...Phil had to change his style for the Meadowlands...Had to throw a harder more ''driving'' ball to deal with the winds.
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Tom Brady at the Combine
Yes, laugh, but know he has 3 rings and maybe 4 after this year
The Pats are my team and Brady is my boy but he looked like he was running in slow motion. lol. I wonder whose slower, Brady or Payton Manning. LOLZ
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The Pats are my team and Brady is my boy but he looked like he was running in slow motion. lol. I wonder whose slower, Brady or Payton Manning. LOLZ
Joe Montana.
Seriously, I think I could have had "better" combine numbers than Joe Montana coming out of college.
Maybe even Dan Marino. :)
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As a Giant fan I'm not complaing they got Simms :)
qb's taken before Brady
Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chad Redmab
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
Yup. The man is one of the best..but at the time i highly doubt Bill Belicheck was saying " This guy is going to be one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time" good fortune for the Pats. that's how dynasties are made, you get players that turn into HOFers, that nobody saw coming.. on top of a sound draft that produces good players.
Then you have the Jets and Cardinals,almost every top pick is a bust, and your second and third rounders play like second and third rounders :P
Disgruntled jet fan here, who moved to Arizona to have another perennial doormat as the home team, I'm doomed :P
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Joe Montana.
Seriously, I think I could have had "better" combine numbers than Joe Montana coming out of college.
Maybe even Dan Marino. :)
LOLZ. I don't wanna pick on the white fellas too much. I've always been extremely fast. Never thought anything about it till high school. That's when I realized I was even faster than 95% of the blacks. Did track, did football, never liked practicing though.lol...I've wondered what it's like to be slow. It doesn't register for me...it must suck.
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Yup. The man is one of the best..but at the time i highly doubt Bill Belicheck was saying " This guy is going to be one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time" good fortune for the Pats. that's how dynasties are made, you get players that turn into HOFers, that nobody saw coming.. on top of a sound draft that produces good players.
Then you have the Jets and Cardinals,almost every top pick is a bust, and your second and third rounders play like second and third rounders :P
Disgruntled jet fan here, who moved to Arizona to have another perennial doormat as the home team, I'm doomed :P
Lol,well you can thank your boys the Jets for knocking out Bledsoe and starting the legend of Brady ;D :D ;D
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I count six pickup trucks with tools in them in front of his house, there's probably always fucking contractors fixing and upgrading shit and making noise. Not hating, but if i had that cash i would be someplace a lot smaller and private, you wouldn't be able to find my ass unless I wanted you to. And i would have a huge negro bodyguard who would have to change his name to Shabazz K. Morton
Yep I moved to a rural area but close to the city but away from noise, now they built a Target across the road nothing but noise and traffic now I hate the shit.
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Noise sucks I hate noise and also loud people.
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jim brown
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Noise sucks I hate noise and also loud people.
and punctuation.
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coaching is huuuuge. Remember Jeff George. Some say he had probably the best arm ever in the NFL, but wrong system and eventually became a headcase.
My college team had shitty coaches, we won 2 games. Exact same team the next year but a whole new staff and we won 10 games.
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Funny nobody mentioned Barry Sanders yet. Sure, he had a short career but what he did with that shitty team of his, no decent qb, no O-line was pretty impressive.
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Player in general?
Anthony Muρoz
The number three pick in 1980 by the Cincinnati Bengals. He played 164 out of a possible 168 games in a 10 year span. He was selected to 11 straight pro bowls, was named an all pro 11 straight seasons, was named the NFL offensive lineman of the year in 1981, 1987 and 1988, and the NFL Players Association lineman of the year in 1981, 1985, 1988 and 1989.
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Remember this ,if Drew Bledsoe didn't get hurt this thread would never had existed! Just saying!
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He's really good but I consider him a system QB. He got injured and missed a year the Pats went 11-5. Peyton Manning got injured and missed a year and the Colts lost almost every single game that season.
that team was undefeated the year before until the super bowl, takes more than just a qb to win that many games
colts weren't that good the year before peyton got hurt and then they cleaned house, which would mean they weren't a good team
brady is better than peyton
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Remember this ,if Drew Bledsoe didn't get hurt this thread would never had existed! Just saying!
didnt they go to a super bowl with bledsoe? didn't bledsoe suck everywhere else?
You could plug in Lou Ferrigno at QB and they'd have their rings.
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Bart Starr.
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I think he's an homosexual.
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Player in general?
Anthony Muρoz
The number three pick in 1980 by the Cincinnati Bengals. He played 164 out of a possible 168 games in a 10 year span. He was selected to 11 straight pro bowls, was named an all pro 11 straight seasons, was named the NFL offensive lineman of the year in 1981, 1987 and 1988, and the NFL Players Association lineman of the year in 1981, 1985, 1988 and 1989.
Probably the reasons Boomer Esiason wasn't a washout QB and the reason they made the SB and almost beat the 49ers. Munoz gave him a career by keeping every single DE in the league off the guy.
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didnt they go to a super bowl with bledsoe? didn't bledsoe suck everywhere else?
You could plug in Lou Ferrigno at QB and they'd have their rings.
Wrong.
Few people deny Brady's greatness. The kid is cool. But timing is everything. When he got his shot, he stepped up and made it happen.
Bledsoe had to get hurt when he did for this legacy to be developed.
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Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense. Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?
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Modern Day QB are shit compared to the Old Guys, Wonder how much better the Old Class of '83 would be if the 2 hand sack was in affect back then
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Imagine Montana to Rice in today's pass happy league? If Montana couldn't be touched and the same with Rice? back then the DB would tackle the WR at the line of scrimmage. Today, it's yards, then no touching whatsoever. Rice would have a fucking field day. Montana would sit back in a lounge chair all day long throwing TD passes having a cigar and scotch.
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Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense. Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?
Yup....and it's everything. you hit the QB in the helmet and ring his bell. back in the 90's , Great defensive play and you forced a punt.
these days it's 15 yards and a first down, offense stays on the field
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1 system? What system was that? Bradys had many different offensive coordinators. Manning had 1, Tom Moore. Bradys had Weis, Obrien, Mcdaniels. All running different systems.
All those coordinators run Bellichicks system.
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Good point. I'm struggling to come up with a QB that isn't a system quarterback. Favre? Marino? Red Grange? ;D
Favre and Marino are system QB's. Favre excelled in the west coast offense w/ Holmgren who was a disciple of Bill Walsh. Marino was running a spread offense in the 80's before most teams, allowing him to throw for 5000 yards.
Elway-under Dan Reeves-took 3 teams to the SB playing with a mid evil, bare bones, draw plays in the sand offense. The goal was to keep the game close and let Elway win it in the 4th quarter.
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Favre and Marino are system QB's. Favre excelled in the west coast offense w/ Holmgren who was a disciple of Bill Walsh. Marino was running a spread offense in the 80's before most teams, allowing him to throw for 5000 yards.
Elway-under Dan Reeves-took 3 teams to the SB playing with a mid evil, bare bones, draw plays in the sand offense. The goal was to keep the game close and let Elway win it in the 4th quarter.
Elway only won once they got Terrel Davis who was a beast for the few years he played.
Brady is on a revamped team yet still winning. Pretty impressive
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John Elway did go to 5 superbowls
won only 2 out of those 5
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Elway only won once they got Terrel Davis who was a beast for the few years he played.
Brady is on a revamped team yet still winning. Pretty impressive
You make my point. Elway had his best statistical years in the last 4 years of his career-culminating w/ 2 SB wins. What did he have-a running back and Shannahan.
Brady and Montana have started their careers playing under coaches and offenses that revolutionized and defined a generation. Give Elway that for his first 12 seasons in the league.
Brady and Montana excelled w/ the talent around them. Elway excelled despite the talent around him.
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I was at an NFL luncheon in San Fran about 10 years ago. Ronnie Lott was there. I asked him who was the best player he ever had to play against.
His answer: "Jerry Rice"
I laughed and said he is on your team.
His reply: "During practice Rice was harder to defend than any other reciever during a real game"
There you go. Rice was a true talent. Easily top three NFL player ever.
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You make my point. Elway had his best statistical years in the last 4 years of his career-culminating w/ 2 SB wins. What did he have-a running back and Shannahan.
Brady and Montana have started their careers playing under coaches and offenses that revolutionized and defined a generation. Give Elway that for his first 12 seasons in the league.
Brady and Montana excelled w/ the talent around them. Elway excelled despite the talent around him.
I keep asking you about all that talent in the 1981 49ers and you never really give me anything.... Who was all that talent on that team?
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You make my point. Elway had his best statistical years in the last 4 years of his career-culminating w/ 2 SB wins. What did he have-a running back and Shannahan.
Brady and Montana have started their careers playing under coaches and offenses that revolutionized and defined a generation. Give Elway that for his first 12 seasons in the league.
Brady and Montana excelled w/ the talent around them. Elway excelled despite the talent around him.
Bellicheck's offense isn't innovative. the rules changes are why they are so great. which is ironic, because they MADE the rule changes because players and coaches were complaining about bellicheck's NE defense beating the shit out of receivers on every play.
So they changed the rules and what does he do? says "fuck defense" and stockpiles offensive talent and installs a pass-first offense...LOL, gotta hand it to the guy, he's a devious fuck.
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Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense. Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?
This is true can't touch a receiver!
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I keep asking you about all that talent in the 1981 49ers and you never really give me anything.... Who was all that talent on that team?
Bill Walsh was a hell of a weapon.
You act like the 49ers slayed a dragon. Who did the Bengals have? Ken Anderson?
Those 49ers beat those Bengals 10 out of 10 times.
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Bellicheck's offense isn't innovative. the rules changes are why they are so great. which is ironic, because they MADE the rule changes because players and coaches were complaining about bellicheck's NE defense beating the shit out of receivers on every play.
So they changed the rules and what does he do? says "fuck defense" and stockpiles offensive talent and installs a pass-first offense...LOL, gotta hand it to the guy, he's a devious fuck.
It helps that Bob Kraft has a lot of power in the NFL circle to make rule changes that help his team.
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Bellicheck's offense isn't innovative. the rules changes are why they are so great. which is ironic, because they MADE the rule changes because players and coaches were complaining about bellicheck's NE defense beating the shit out of receivers on every play.
I disagree. Bellichick's offense under the guidance of Brady is one of the most explosive the league has ever seen. An example-He's revolutionized the 2 tight end set, creating mismatches teams have no answer for right now.
2 TE sets were power running sets. BB has turned them into defensive match up nightmares from a passing perspective.
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All those coordinators run Bellichicks system.
And what system is that? Bellichick is a defensive coach.
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Bellicheck isnt an Offensive Coach, he only calls the Defensive plays
of course Bellicheck does have the final say on a play before it goes to Brady
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And what system is that? Bellichick is a defensive coach.
Seriously?
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Bill Walsh was a hell of a weapon.
You act like the 49ers slayed a dragon. Who did the Bengals have? Ken Anderson?
Those 49ers beat those Bengals 10 out of 10 times.
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Oh brother.
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Oh brother.
White flag accepted.
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Seriously?
Yes seriously. What's this Belichick system you talk of? The guy has never been an offensive coach at any level, yet you're giving him credit for putting together one of the best offenses off all time. They've run a few different systems under multiple coordinators, fitting it to personel. Manning had the same "system" for his entire career with the same coordinator up until this year.
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It helps that Bob Kraft has a lot of power in the NFL circle to make rule changes that help his team.
*Bob Kraft thinking*.....Hmmmm, iv'e a got a tall, immobile quarterback with a deadly accurate arm who doesn't do so well when he gets knocked around
"Hey Guys, let's make it so you can't hit the quarterback or touch the receivers!!" :D
Seriously it's a combination of all three, He's a great QB, the rules are set up for the passing offense, and he's got the best coaching staff in the league in his corner.
Think about it, Prototypical Tom Brady is him standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver about 15 yards downfield and they are so fucking open they get 15 more.
He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.
The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.
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He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.
The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.
Agreed. As one of the commentators said, what makes Brady and the Pats so good is their ability to be surgical, creating the mismatches, and Brady's composure to stay in the pocket and find the mismatch even with people in his face.
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*Bob Kraft thinking*.....Hmmmm, iv'e a got a tall, immobile quarterback with a deadly accurate arm who doesn't do so well when he gets knocked around
"Hey Guys, let's make it so you can't hit the quarterback or touch the receivers!!" :D
Seriously it's a combination of all three, He's a great QB, the rules are set up for the passing offense, and he's got the best coaching staff in the league in his corner.
Think about it, Prototypical Tom Brady is him standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver about 15 yards downfield and they are so fucking open they get 15 more.
He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.
The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.
Dude is tough as nails...both superbowls the Giants drilled him over and over again.
first superbowl at the end he threw a 60 yard ball on the money that got knocked away at the last second and last year he had a chance with a hail mary.
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both Superbowls Brady had them in the lead, and the Pats D lost the game for them
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both Superbowls Brady had them in the lead, and the Pats D lost the game for them
Eli had something to do with that.
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Eli had something to do with that.
Yes , Pats D could not stop ELI , ELI was better then the Pats D both times
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Brady might not even be the best QB of his era. He's had the benefit of one coach and 1 system his whole career.
If Kraft could only keep Brady or Belichick, he would get rid of Belichick without blinking an eye. In fact, Belichick may have cost New England two more Super bowls by being so stubborn with the defense.
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Dude is tough as nails...both superbowls the Giants drilled him over and over again.
first superbowl at the end he threw a 60 yard ball on the money that got knocked away at the last second and last year he had a chance with a hail mary.
Calvin I put a lot of time and thought into my posts and it hurts my feelings when you dismiss them like that.
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Go Jets.
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"The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5." -Pray_4_War
Bevo, I'm sorry but that is a fact.
Not true. They missed the playoffs that year. 11-5 wasn't good enough. If Brady was healthy, that 11-5 would probably have been 13-3 and they make the playoffs. Huge difference.
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Brady went undefeated up until almost the last play of the Season
Thats a fucking hell of a season "."
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Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense. Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?
Although some truth to your post, the reason they both put up numbers is because of their quick release and accuracy.
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Calvin I put a lot of time and thought into my posts and it hurts my feelings when you dismiss them like that.
I legit lol'd ;D
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I legit lol'd ;D
HaHaaa
OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?
4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's
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Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense. Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?
Probably a combination of all of that. Including acknowledgement from their fans and peers.
Baseball = Willie Mays
Hockey = Wayne Gretzky
Basketball = Michael Jordan
Swimming = Michael Phelps
Golf = Tiger Woods
Kind of like that.
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Eli had something to do with that.
That throw to Manningam- talk about a tightrope catch. And let΄s not bring that 3rd down with that helmet thing. Eli is clutch.
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HaHaaa
OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?
4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's
And he called HIS OWN plays throughout his football career
but he benefited by having the STEEL Curtain with all his INTS
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HaHaaa
OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?
4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's
If you ranked "best players" wouldn't Mean Joe Greene be ahead of Terry Bradshaw?
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HaHaaa
OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?
4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's
Great player but you could say he was overshadowed buy the rest of the talent on that team.
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I don't think he's the best ever, but we are throwing out Manning, Elway....he's at least as good as them.
He was before most guys here time, but if you were a Cowboy fan in the 70's , you saw Terry Bradshaw to Lynn Swann in your nightmares .
They were a dynasty.
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I don't think he's the best ever, but we are throwing out Manning, Elway....he's at least as good as them.
He was before most guys here time, but if you were a Cowboy fan in the 70's , you saw Terry Bradshaw to Lynn Swann in your nightmares .
They were a dynasty.
And a wr had to work to get open,stikum was legal and wr's would get bumped all the way down the field.
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If you ranked "best players" wouldn't Mean Joe Greene be ahead of Terry Bradshaw?
Yes. Without a doubt. Joe Greene was the reason the Steel Curtain defense was as strong as it was.
There's no way Ham and Lambert get open to hit running backs the way they did without Joe Greene basically owning the line of scrimmage. He was a wrecking force of a man that offensive lines had to key in on. You didn't get to the second level to hit an LB when Greene was in front of you. Nor did your double team teammate. Only guy I've seen better is Reggie White.
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Only if you're asking the question, and you're not, so your opinion adds nothing to the discussion.
Your poor choice of words does not allow me to answer your question since Tom Brady is not a "football player". Maybe all these other chuckle heads will answer but quarterbacks are not "football players". Hope this didn't add anything to the discussion either.
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for me "THE BEST FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER" has to be a Defensive player , its where the MEN Play
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Your poor choice of words does not allow me to answer your question since Tom Brady is not a "football player". Maybe all these other chuckle heads will answer but quarterbacks are not "football players". Hope this didn't add anything to the discussion either.
Tom Brady's occupation is "Professional Football Player".
Your incessant whining doesn't change that.
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Tom Brady's occupation is "Professional Football Player".
Your incessant whining doesn't change that.
You are a football genius.
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Holy huge scary white guy.
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HaHaaa
OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?
4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's
Terry was great, no doubt... one of the best.
He ain't no Montana though.
4 Superbowl wins. 3 x Superbowl MVP. 8 x Pro Bowler
The only QB on the all time Madden team and the only player to have two TD passed for 95+ yards.
So yeah. Bradshaw is VERY VERY great... He just isn't "Montana Great".
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You are a football genius.
You're 0-3.
The topic is apparently way too complex for your feeble mind, but thanks for playing.
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You're 0-3.
The topic is apparently way too complex for your feeble mind, but thanks for playing.
My pleasure, Mr. Football!
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Terry was great, no doubt... one of the best.
He ain't no Montana though.
4 Superbowl wins. 3 x Superbowl MVP. 8 x Pro Bowler
The only QB on the all time Madden team and the only player to have two TD passed for 95+ yards.
So yeah. Bradshaw is VERY VERY great... He just isn't "Montana Great".
Bradshaw had/has banana hands
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My pleasure, Mr. Football!
Suck my snowcone.
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Showing that he is right now.....
Tbombz must be red to the face , looks like the 9ers are choking
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Showing that he is right now.....
Tbombz must be red to the face , looks like the 9ers are choking
Hopefully. I need them to lose so the Hawks have a shot at taking the Division next week.
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Caffernan is choking under pressure , Alex better be ready for the playoffs
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Caffernan is choking under pressure , Alex better be ready for the playoffs
Brady is looking very Brady-ish. The power of the hood must prevail.
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Brady is looking very Brady-ish. The power of the hood must prevail.
:)
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Showing that he is right now.....
Tbombz must be red to the face , looks like the 9ers are choking
Sure seems like he's better than anyone else on the field tonight.
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Win!!!
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Damn what a comeback Haha
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Kappernick can't play defense. He's in a shootout with arguably the greatest QB in the game today.
Ahd he's hung 38 points on team that blasted a good team last week.
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Fuck.
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Kappernick can't play defense. He's in a shootout with arguably the greatest QB in the game today.
Ahd he's hung 38 points on team that blasted a good team last week.
Yeah... That Brady tackle or rather the pull up that was ALMOST an attempt at a tackle that he looked like a fag doing...
It could have saved a TD.
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Franco Harris.
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I'm a huge Patriots fan...But I believe the first half of that 49er's game is what the Patriots would face for a full game if they play each other in the Super Bowl. The 49'ers came out in a prevent type defense after the half and basically let the Patriots score some points with a retarded Bill B. type "bend don't break" defense. When the Pats tied them, 49er's upped their defense and played man and it was over. That first half defense by the 49'ers was fcking legit.
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the rain made it a sloppy game, lots of fumbles and dropped passes
if they meet in the superbowl it would be a closer game from the start
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I'm a huge Patriots fan...But I believe the first half of that 49er's game is what the Patriots would face for a full game if they play each other in the Super Bowl. The 49'ers came out in a prevent type defense after the half and basically let the Patriots score some points with a retarded Bill B. type "bend don't break" defense. When the Pats tied them, 49er's upped their defense and played man and it was over. That first half defense by the 49'ers was fcking legit.
You're completely discounting the effect the weather had. There was like 10 fucking fumbles in the 1st quarter.
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if the pats had gronkowski playing the outcome would have been different.
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if the pats had gronkowski playing the outcome would have been different.
If my Grandmother had testicles she would be my Grandfather.
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This Brady fellow is pretty good, but Peyton Manning playing like he is after the neck injuries could make a strong case for best ever.
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This Brady fellow is pretty good, but Peyton Manning playing like he is after the neck injuries could make a strong case for best ever.
not if he plays bad in the playoffs like he always has including the year he won the super bowl
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If Tom wins one more... damn
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If Tom wins one more... damn
I would have a hard on if he does :D
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Bump!
This Brady fella sure seems pretty darn good.
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Tom Brady became the Winningest quarterback in postseason play today
Guess that makes him the best
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6 mother fucking superbowls after next week
Should already get his yellow blazer before he even retires
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This was one strange weekend of Football.
i went 2-2....but would have been 4-0 if two teams that had games WON with seconds left, didn't inexpicably give the fucking game away, like literally.
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Payton manning - 2 superbowl
Eli manning - 2 superbowl
Aaron Rogers - 1 superbowl
Tom Brady - 5 superbowls
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I only got one game right, Groink the Pats this whole set was fishy record points and blown games
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This was one strange weekend of Football.
i went 2-2....but would have been 4-0 if two teams that had games WON with seconds left, didn't inexpicably give the fucking game away, like literally.
i don't think there was anything really inexplicable about the ending of the hawks game. carroll tried to rattle the kicker, backfired big time. the whole first half was a bit ridiculous though. hawks marched down the field almost every drive for the entire game, and somehow ended up with no points more often than not.
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Tom Brady is the best quarterback ever.
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i don't think there was anything really inexplicable about the ending of the hawks game. carroll tried to rattle the kicker, backfired big time. the whole first half was a bit ridiculous though. hawks marched down the field almost every drive for the entire game, and somehow ended up with no points more often than not.
he says he didn't call a timeout
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Why the fuck do people argue Peyton better than Brady? ::)
Peyton lost games for his team when it counted, yesterday threw inception when game was on the line and did the same in the SB against New Orleans. Yes pats lost to the giants twice but Brady put his team in position to win... I'll pick Eli in crunch time before Peyton.
But yeah yeah everyone will say Brady is a systems QB ::)
Brady > Peyton
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Why the fuck do people argue Peyton better than Brady? ::)
Peyton lost games for his team when it counted, yesterday threw inception when game was on the line and did the same in the SB against New Orleans. Yes pats lost to the giants twice but Brady put his team in position to win... I'll pick Eli in crunch time before Peyton.
But yeah yeah everyone will say Brady is a systems QB ::)
Brady > Peyton
Sure, the game where the guy had already had 3 TDs and thrown for ridiculous yardage... How many times has Brady come up short when the game is on the line?
Plenty.
The difference is that Brady's team doesn't often put him in that position.
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Sure, the game where the guy had already had 3 TDs and thrown for ridiculous yardage... How many times has Brady come up short when the game is on the line?
Plenty.
The difference is that Brady's team doesn't often put him in that position.
Wrong on that one Holmes. Brady has had to bail out/outscore most of his opponents for most of the last 6 years. Brady led his team to 4th quarter leads in both the '07 and '11 superbowls. Brady can't play defense.
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The Pats D has always worried me even today Tom puts up 40+ points and I am shitting razor blades as the Texans get close enough to tie it
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Wrong on that one Holmes. Brady has had to bail out/outscore most of his opponents for most of the last 6 years. Brady led his team to 4th quarter leads in both the '07 and '11 superbowls. Brady can't play defense.
I don't disagree... Brady doesn't play defense, but often his defense is much better than what Manning has had around him.
That's a fact.
He's blown leads too you know... thrown the bad pick... It happens to everyone. To say that Brady inherently is just better than Manning I find silly.
They are both amazing and either one on a team is going to win games... period. Which one is better is always going to be a subject for debate which I don't think anyone can definitively determine.
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I'm a casual watcher of the NFL, and I watch college football on occasion. I know all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine. So I was wondering if you bastions of football knowledge agree or disagree that Tom Brady might be the greatest NFL player ever.
What does Getbig think?
i'll go with a solid maybe & almost on that one
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I only ran a 4.9
but I will give Tom my vote if he wins this SB
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I don't disagree... Brady doesn't play defense, but often his defense is much better than what Manning has had around him.
That's a fact.
He's blown leads too you know... thrown the bad pick... It happens to everyone. To say that Brady inherently is just better than Manning I find silly.
They are both amazing and either one on a team is going to win games... period. Which one is better is always going to be a subject for debate which I don't think anyone can definitively determine.
Yeah u can brady has more post season wins, SB titles, most td's a season, one of the highest if not highest QB ratings. I agree both are good but Brady is better
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Yeah u can brady has more post season wins, SB titles, most td's a season, one of the highest if not highest QB ratings. I agree both are good but Brady is better
You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?
The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?
Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.
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it's a nice perfect storm of coach, support, good picks, and smart QBing by Brady.
But yes, you put Manning in that city and they have 2 more rings.
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You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?
The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?
Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.
The same Colts team that Luck lead to 11 wins.
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The same Colts team that Luck lead to 11 wins.
This is true... Luck is very very good though. That's why he went number 1.
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You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?
The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?
Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.
Here we go again..... "Ifs" I don't go by that not in life either go by what they or he can do RIGHT NOW"
Cassell was a pro bowler.... Chiefs are garbage on many levels
We don't live by "ifs"
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Well, I'm pulling for the Pats in the SB. Fuck seeing Jim Harbough win it.
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Here we go again..... "Ifs" I don't go by that not in life either go by what they or he can do RIGHT NOW"
Cassell was a pro bowler.... Chiefs are garbage on many levels
We don't live by "ifs"
Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.
Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.
So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?
Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?
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Sure, the game where the guy had already had 3 TDs and thrown for ridiculous yardage... How many times has Brady come up short when the game is on the line?
Plenty.
The difference is that Brady's team doesn't often put him in that position.
What? All 3 sb's he had to come from behind win all with only a field goal. Against Kurt Warner and the rams who at that time was the heavy fav with the most pts on offense...
Yes everyone makes mistakes but at the most crucial moments Brady made the least, he put his team in position to win
Like I said I'll pick Eli over Peyton if its crunch time much more impressive!!
Eli
10-6 SB win
9-7 SB win
Both times wild card beating teams like falcons, San Fran , and Green Bay twice in lombeau field
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Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.
Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.
So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?
Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?
Brady started in 01 Peyton in 98....
Brady did more with less, no one even remembers their receivers or even rbs lol
17 post season wins, 5 SB appearances maybe 6, 3 SB wins, most td pasts season, one of the youngest or youngest to win it
That's all that matters!!
When he finishes chances are Peyton won't be even in the discussion
And when Brady and Peyton met, who had that better end??? Hmmmm
Enough said.
FUCK PEYTON
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Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.
Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.
So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?
Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?
What makes him better is his team scored 40 points and crushed their opponent this weekend, and Manning threw a killer interception and his team is going home.
This has been the story of these two QBs ...for the most part, for the last decade plus.
Greatness isn't just stats, it's making THE play when there is testicle crushing pressure. some guys have it, some guys don't
I would like to smash his head in with a brick too...but he's fucking great..plain and simple
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17 post season wins, 5 SB appearances maybe 6, 3 SB wins, most td pasts season, one of the youngest or youngest to win it
That's all that matters!!
When he finishes chances are Peyton won't be even in the discussion
And when Brady and Peyton met, who had that better end??? Hmmmm
Enough said.
FUCK PEYTON
Someone is a die hard NE fan... But it's cool.
Nice to see you care so much about them, but I don't see how you can make the statements you make. It's like when Bronco's fans talk about how great Elway is when he didn't get anything done before he had a star RB and on no level is equal to Montana.
Look dude, I'm not saying Brady isn't great... Obviously he is, but to act like he's SOOOO much better than Peyton and that Peyton isn't in the discussion is just disingenuous on so many levels.
Both of them are future HOF QBs... period. Peyton may very well end up being the only QB in history to win a Superbowl with 2 different teams and you know that's a real possibility.
Sure, Brady is fantastic... but Peyton Manning is equally as good and for you to say otherwise is just silly.
If the post season is what counts, then Eli Manning > Tom Brady.... 2-0 vs Brady in the post season right?
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Someone is a die hard NE fan... But it's cool.
Nice to see you care so much about them, but I don't see how you can make the statements you make. It's like when Bronco's fans talk about how great Elway is when he didn't get anything done before he had a star RB and on no level is equal to Montana.
Look dude, I'm not saying Brady isn't great... Obviously he is, but to act like he's SOOOO much better than Peyton and that Peyton isn't in the discussion is just disingenuous on so many levels.
Both of them are future HOF QBs... period. Peyton may very well end up being the only QB in history to win a Superbowl with 2 different teams and you know that's a real possibility.
Sure, Brady is fantastic... but Peyton Manning is equally as good and for you to say otherwise is just silly.
If the post season is what counts, then Eli Manning > Tom Brady.... 2-0 vs Brady in the post season right?
;D I'm actually a San Fran fan from cali originally but I like watching good football and Brady and both Mannings are fun to watch just that crunch time more than once Peyton will piss you off!!
U are correct about Eli so far vs Brady but thing is both didn't choke when they played each other ;)
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You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?
The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?
Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.
why do people always bring up cassel's 11 wins?
do you all forget that aside from brady, it was the same team was good enough to win 18 straight and would've won 19 if not for a receiver catching the ball with his helmet?
i'd say losing 5 games without brady was a major drop off
compare peyton's receivers throughout his career to brady's, peyton's receivers are going to the hall of fame, brady won super bowls with jobbers
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;D I'm actually a San Fran fan from cali originally but I like watching good football and Brady and both Mannings are fun to watch just that crunch time more than once Peyton will piss you off!!
U are correct about Eli so far vs Brady but thing is both didn't choke when they played each other ;)
They are both great to watch... It's great football. You're right.
No disagreement that somehow Peyton has had to deal with that bad ball more... Is it all on him though? I can't say that.
When you are forced and forced and forced to throw, that shit is gonna happen.
I will agree that Eli has been way clutch, but we also have to admit that sometimes the football gods just shine up his ass... His receivers have pulled down some shit when it counted.
As far as yesterday though, I just don't think that Denver should have been in the position where manning had to throw and throw and throw... Denver's defense should have been able to stop Joe Flacco... come on... FLACCO!!!
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What makes him better is his team scored 40 points and crushed their opponent this weekend, and Manning threw a killer interception and his team is going home.
This has been the story of these two QBs ...for the most part, for the last decade plus.
Greatness isn't just stats, it's making THE play when there is testicle crushing pressure. some guys have it, some guys don't
I would like to smash his head in with a brick too...but he's fucking great..plain and simple
Yep, it's like Eli doesn't have great stats but when 4th quarter comes a long and u need to win he most likely will deliver.. Just not this season :D
Clutch QB's!!!
Romo has great stats but has choked at all games when it was on the line and mattered for example
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Never been a Brady hater. In fact, as a Giants fan, I defend him much more than I'd like to.
But, it can't be denied that Pats continually play in a shitty division, so thier path is going to be easier, and they haven't won in almost a decade, and haven't won since they got busted taping the other teams' plays. No matter what caveats NE fans throw in, those are facts and they are what they are.
Brady may not have had the best receivers, but he has more time to throw the ball than any QB I've ever seen, and is pretty pedestrian when hassled.
He's awesome, top 5 QB of all time for sure, but I'm not going to lose any sleep as to whether Manning (either), Montana, Elway, or some other fucking old quarterback that I never saw play is better. They're all awesome.
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They are both great to watch... It's great football. You're right.
No disagreement that somehow Peyton has had to deal with that bad ball more... Is it all on him though? I can't say that.
When you are forced and forced and forced to throw, that shit is gonna happen.
I will agree that Eli has been way clutch, but we also have to admit that sometimes the football gods just shine up his ass... His receivers have pulled down some shit when it counted.
As far as yesterday though, I just don't think that Denver should have been in the position where manning had to throw and throw and throw... Denver's defense should have been able to stop Joe Flacco... come on... FLACCO!!!
Believe me I wanted pats to win both of those sb's and freakin Eli, yes a little luck but he lead his team and the stars were align >:(
Flacco actually impressed me..... Yes it's fucking flacco too!!!
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Yep, it's like Eli doesn't have great stats but when 4th quarter comes a long and u need to win he most likely will deliver.. Just not this season :D
Clutch QB's!!!
Romo has great stats but has choked at all games when it was on the line and mattered for example
If i was the Cowboys i would have dumped Romo 4 years ago. he will never win a Super Bowl,,,you can write that in stone.
Eli is a cool customer, and he is fucking deadly. he's that "awww shucks" guy that everyone thinks they are cooler than, but he gets the last laugh.... and has 11 inch cock and fucked your girl. :D
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If i was the Cowboys i would have dumped Romo 4 years ago. he will never win a Super Bowl,,,you can write that in stone.
Eli is a cool customer, and he is fucking deadly. he's that "awww shucks" guy that everyone thinks they are cooler than, but he gets the last laugh.... and has 11 inch cock and fucked your girl gay cousin. :D
Fixed.
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Never been a Brady hater. In fact, as a Giants fan, I defend him much more than I'd like to.
But, it can't be denied that Pats continually play in a shitty division, so thier path is going to be easier, and they haven't won in almost a decade, and haven't won since they got busted taping the other teams' plays. No matter what caveats NE fans throw in, those are facts and they are what they are.
Brady may not have had the best receivers, but he has more time to throw the ball than any QB I've ever seen, and is pretty pedestrian when hassled.
He's awesome, top 5 QB of all time for sure, but I'm not going to lose any sleep as to whether Manning (either), Montana, Elway, or some other fucking old quarterback that I never saw play is better. They're all awesome.
.this. and it's just as much as a product of NE's system as anything else. I've said this before...I've never see someone as much as i see Brady, standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver in stride that gets 40 yards on a ball that traveled 11 yards through the air. it's uncanny. And it's a "perfect storm" like someone else said..perfect QB for The perfect Coach in the perfect system. if Manning is the QB i personally think he butts heads with coaches and the results aren't the same, ,and i'll say it now...he will never see another Super Bowl, this year was his best chance and HE blew it
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.this. and it's just as much as a product of NE's system as anything else. I've said this before...I've never see someone as much as i see Brady, standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver in stride that gets 40 yards on a ball that traveled 11 yards through the air. it's uncanny. And it's a "perfect storm" like someone else said..perfect QB for The perfect Coach in the perfect system. if Manning is the QB i personally think he butts heads with coaches and the results aren't the same, ,and i'll say it now...he will never see another Super Bowl, this year was his best chance and HE blew it
Why Groink?
That's a young aggressive and strong performing defense. One of the league's best.
His receiver crew doesn't have a legit all-pro on it, so you can sub in receivers if some are lost to free agency, and I don't think you'll see a drop-off in production.
If they can keep an O-line together for the season, I think they can repeat as division champs and take another shot at the lombardi. They'll get mcgahee back too, which will help.
As we've seen, anyone can knock off anyone in the playoffs.
Baltimore finally fields a healthy defense, and they beat the Broncos who were supposed to walk over them.
Not many people gave Wilson and the Hawks a chance against the Falcons. They just about won that game.
I think Manning has another 2-3 years left to run his team into the playoffs. And except for the Texans and the Patriots (if Brady doesn't get hurt), I don't see another AFC powerhouse team getting ready to challenge them.
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Why Groink?
That's a young aggressive and strong performing defense. One of the league's best.
His receiver crew doesn't have a legit all-pro on it, so you can sub in receivers if some are lost to free agency, and I don't think you'll see a drop-off in production.
If they can keep an O-line together for the season, I think they can repeat as division champs and take another shot at the lombardi. They'll get mcgahee back too, which will help.
As we've seen, anyone can knock off anyone in the playoffs.
Baltimore finally fields a healthy defense, and they beat the Broncos who were supposed to walk over them.
Not many people gave Wilson and the Hawks a chance against the Falcons. They just about won that game.
I think Manning has another 2-3 years left to run his team into the playoffs. And except for the Texans and the Patriots (if Brady doesn't get hurt), I don't see another AFC powerhouse team getting ready to challenge them.
I think Wilson has finally proven that he's fucking legit. No one gave him a chance because he's short. Lol.
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I think Wilson has finally proven that he's fucking legit. No one gave him a chance because he's short. Lol.
I never understood the "height" thing... Here's a short guy who was great in HS... Great in college, and all of a sudden his height is an issue?
Doug Flutiie wasn't tall (5'10"), neither is Drew Brees (6'0"). But with Wilson, being short is a problem? He's 5'11".
Just seems to be much ado about nothing.
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I never understood the "height" thing... Here's a short guy who was great in HS... Great in college, and all of a sudden his height is an issue?
Doug Flutiie wasn't tall (5'10"), neither is Drew Brees (6'0"). But with Wilson, being short is a problem? He's 5'11".
Just seems to be much ado about nothing.
People get so caught up in numbers anymore.. There is a stat for everything, and half the time it doesn't equate to them being able to play for shit. Just another way for people to bench-race with football I suppose.
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I think Wilson has finally proven that he's fucking legit. No one gave him a chance because he's short. Lol.
He's rookie of the year if my vote counted for anything, which it doesn't.
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He's rookie of the year if my vote counted for anything, which it doesn't.
Me too, although I'm just a tad biased. ;D
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He's rookie of the year if my vote counted for anything, which it doesn't.
No doubt... Definitely so.
Rookie and won a playoff game... Almost won a 2nd.
Kid is legit.
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Why Groink?
That's a young aggressive and strong performing defense. One of the league's best.
His receiver crew doesn't have a legit all-pro on it, so you can sub in receivers if some are lost to free agency, and I don't think you'll see a drop-off in production.
If they can keep an O-line together for the season, I think they can repeat as division champs and take another shot at the lombardi. They'll get mcgahee back too, which will help.
As we've seen, anyone can knock off anyone in the playoffs.
Baltimore finally fields a healthy defense, and they beat the Broncos who were supposed to walk over them.
Not many people gave Wilson and the Hawks a chance against the Falcons. They just about won that game.
I think Manning has another 2-3 years left to run his team into the playoffs. And except for the Texans and the Patriots (if Brady doesn't get hurt), I don't see another AFC powerhouse team getting ready to challenge them.
Injuries,free agency, parity...the fickle nature of the league...it's not easy to get to the Super Bowl and he's on the tail end of his career, he's been to two of them in what 18 years, and history has shown that he is a guy who fucks up in the BIG game at a crucial moment. he thinks he can do too much and presses.
That was an ill advised pass that he never should have thrown, it wasn't a great play by a DB. he was scrambling to his right and tried to throw across his body to the other side of the field into heavy traffic to a guy that was covered . For a guy that is regarded as the ultimate QB with an unsurpassed football IQ, who can pick apart defenses at will, he has done that more than a few times
I mean...not all the time, he's one of the best ever, but he's got that karma of throwing the rare bad pass and he pays the ultimate price for it
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Injuries,free agency, parity...the fickle nature of the league...it's not easy to get to the Super Bowl and he's on the tail end of his career, he's been to two of them in what 18 years, and history has shown that he is a guy who fucks up in the BIG game at a crucial moment. he thinks he can do too much and presses.
That was an ill advised pass that he never should have thrown, it wasn't a great play by a DB. he was scrambling to his right and tried to throw across his body to the other side of the field into heavy traffic to a guy that was covered . For a guy that is regarded as the ultimate QB with an unsurpassed football IQ, who can pick apart defenses at will, he has done that more than a few times
I mean...not all the time, he's one of the best ever, but he's got that karma of throwing the rare bad pass and he pays the ultimate price for it
For whatever reason, Peyton is the master of the choke in the post-season.
Dude is the fucking greatest during the regular year... But it's always the same story in the post season. I remember those years when it was a Peyton/Brady showdown in the Division playoffs, and Brady always seemed to have his number.
Dude will probably go down as the greatest QB ever... But man is he ever inconsistent when it counts.
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For whatever reason, Peyton is the master of the choke in the post-season.
Dude is the fucking greatest during the regular year... But it's always the same story in the post season. I remember those years when it was a Peyton/Brady showdown in the Division playoffs, and Brady always seemed to have his number.
Dude will probably go down as the greatest QB ever... But man is he ever inconsistent when it counts.
I don't want to get all Dorian Yates and talk about Karma...but if Tom Brady throws the same ball,in the same exact situation... the receiver catches it, or the DB almost comes up with it and the announcers talk about how he dodged a major bullet. Peyton takes it directly up the ass every time for some reason.
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The heydays of Marino, Montana, Elway, Young, Kelly, and Kosar had them going up against defenses that were allowed to do bump and runs and hitting receivers............and the rules were nowhere near as prevalent today when it came to protecting the quarterback. It gets even more lopsided the further back you go to the days of Staubach and Bradshaw.
However, in those days you had nowhere near the amount of parity seen today. In today's game, literally all teams have legit chances to get to a Super Bowl. In the 80s and 90s you had veritable all-star teams in the 49ers and the Cowboys, with teams like the Giants, Redskins, Bills, and Broncos trailing close behind.
Concerning Brady, if he isn't the best football player ever, then the guy who is barely eclipses him. No clearcut winner here.
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if you put up every QB in NFL history in their prime, in a line, and let teams or coaches choose their QB for one game...
Who would it be? I have to think Montana or Young or Aikman would be chosen over Brady, all things equal.
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if you put up every QB in NFL history in their prime, in a line, and let teams or coaches choose their QB for one game...
Who would it be? I have to think Montana or Young or Aikman would be chosen over Brady, all things equal.
brady can't beat eli when it counts. montana, aikman, and bradshaw prime (superbowl) could send new england home. brady is good for today's rules. i'd take bets the plunkett, allen and hayes raiders would bump in. shit, he'd loose to the elway and davis broncos.
it's timing for brady, just like those two russian heavy weight champs.
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if you put up every QB in NFL history in their prime, in a line, and let teams or coaches choose their QB for one game...
Who would it be? I have to think Montana or Young or Aikman would be chosen over Brady, all things equal.
aikman isn't even in the top 10
young and montana had all star teams, brady has had a completely different cast of characters since 2001, he had one hall of fame receiver for like 2 years and he broke records
i'd take brady over all except maybe john elway
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aikman isn't even in the top 10
young and montana had all star teams, brady has had a completely different cast of characters since 2001, he had one hall of fame receiver for like 2 years and he broke records
i'd take brady over all except maybe john elway
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brady is in an offensive nfl that doesn't allow late hits, bump and run, and stickum. no such thing as steel curtains, 46 and flex defenses either.
Go Brady! ::)
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brady is in an offensive nfl that doesn't allow late hits, bump and run, and stickum. no such thing as steel curtains, 46 and flex defenses either.
Go Brady! ::)
This is true.
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aikman isn't even in the top 10
young and montana had all star teams, brady has had a completely different cast of characters since 2001, he had one hall of fame receiver for like 2 years and he broke records
i'd take brady over all except maybe john elway
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Elway?
Another Elway over Montana person... Must be a Denver fan.
That's crazy talk.
Montana's first superbowl win was without Rice and Craig you know.
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brady is in an offensive nfl that doesn't allow late hits, bump and run, and stickum. no such thing as steel curtains, 46 and flex defenses either.
Go Brady! ::)
he's also in a league that doesn't have all star teams and where almost every team has a shot each year, and his teammates have consistently changed over the years
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Elway?
Another Elway over Montana person... Must be a Denver fan.
That's crazy talk.
Montana's first superbowl win was without Rice and Craig you know.
i'm a steeler fan
elway did more with less than any qb, maybe besides brady
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he's also in a league that doesn't have all star teams and where almost every team has a shot each year, and his teammates have consistently changed over the years
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Well I am glad you agree that with me that Tim Duncan is the best player in the history of the NBA.
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Well I am glad you agree that with me that Tim Duncan is the best player in the history of the NBA.
top 15, he was top 2 throughout the 2000's
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i'm a steeler fan
elway did more with less than any qb, maybe besides brady
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No way... 1981 Niners man.
That team was nothing special.
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It's an interesting question.
One common trait all of the great Qb's of the past had was they were mobile QBs who could throw on the run....and they had to because defenses weren't handcuffed like they are now.
But Brady plays against bigger, stronger faster players who hit harder. A modern day safety is the same size, is faster and hits harder than a linebacker from back then. offensive and defensive lines average over 300 pounds,and they are more athletic.. back then you had a few guys that size.
offenses score more now, but it's not like Brady has one set of rules and the rest of the league has another ...and he puts up more points than anyone. My point is yes it's an offensive league, and scoring is up, but he would still score points if it weren't, just not as many..he would still be insanely accurate,strong armed, smart and super-competitive in any era. But he would definitely take many more clean hits. it's all relative.
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For whatever reason, Peyton is the master of the choke in the post-season.
Dude is the fucking greatest during the regular year... But it's always the same story in the post season. I remember those years when it was a Peyton/Brady showdown in the Division playoffs, and Brady always seemed to have his number.
Dude will probably go down as the greatest QB ever... But man is he ever inconsistent when it counts.
Greatest no, one of the best yes
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if you put up every QB in NFL history in their prime, in a line, and let teams or coaches choose their QB for one game...
Who would it be? I have to think Montana or Young or Aikman would be chosen over Brady, all things equal.
Yeah but young could never get pass Favre and the packers only once 1999...
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Elway?
Another Elway over Montana person... Must be a Denver fan.
That's crazy talk.
Montana's first superbowl win was without Rice and Craig you know.
I agree with u elway over Montana ::)
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It's an interesting question.
One common trait all of the great Qb's of the past had was they were mobile QBs who could throw on the run....and they had to because defenses weren't handcuffed like they are now.
But Brady plays against bigger, stronger faster players who hit harder. A modern day safety is the same size, is faster and hits harder than a linebacker from back then. offensive and defensive lines average over 300 pounds,and they are more athletic.. back then you had a few guys that size.
offenses score more now, but it's not like Brady has one set of rules and the rest of the league has another ...and he puts up more points than anyone. My point is yes it's an offensive league, and scoring is up, but he would still score points if it weren't, just not as many..he would still be insanely accurate,strong armed, smart and super-competitive in any era. But he would definitely take many more clean hits. it's all relative.
Ang Groink finally joins the darkside.............. 8)
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The Patriots' quarterback added to a string of postseason success that stretches back more than a decade, earning his 17th playoff win to break a tie with his boyhood idol, Joe Montana, for most by a quarterback.
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If you gave montana today's rules, he'd be INCREDIBLE.
if you put brady back in the early 90s... where defenders coudl mug jerry rice on EVERY play, he woudln't be nearly as productive.
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Here's an interesting stat.
Look at the season-leading QB ratings of the past 20 years. Since the days of Steve Young and the west-coast offense, the league has had its rating winner at a score of +100 (Young was a freak at pacing the QB rating scores in the league for his entire career, give or take).
Go back in time to the 70s and early 80s, and there maybe 2-4 years every decade where the league's best QB had a rating about 100.
Begs the question: do QBs chase the stat regardless of relevance to winning, or is the stat relevant, and in fact, the league has changed so much in the past 20 years so as to allow freakishly high QB ratings (like Rogers, Manning and Brady in their record-setting seasons).
The stat is weighted to average passing yards per attempt (among other stats, or course).
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"Begs the question: do QBs chase the stat regardless of relevance to winning, or is the stat relevant, and in fact, the league has changed so much in the past 20 years so as to allow freakishly high QB ratings (like Rogers, Manning and Brady in their record-setting seasons). "
I think this is the case. you watch old games - they are VERY physical... wide recivers getting punched and slapped before they get free every time.
today's pass interference/holding rules would have Montana scoring 52 points every game... moving downt he field would be a breeze. And Rice? His stats would be INSANE today.
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Can't compare different positions. Among quarterbacks he is one of the best of all times. Like someone mentioned before the rules made the NFL a passing league. Quarterbacks in the past didn't have untouched receivers like they do now.
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It's an interesting question.
One common trait all of the great Qb's of the past had was they were mobile QBs who could throw on the run....and they had to because defenses weren't handcuffed like they are now.
But Brady plays against bigger, stronger faster players who hit harder. A modern day safety is the same size, is faster and hits harder than a linebacker from back then. offensive and defensive lines average over 300 pounds,and they are more athletic.. back then you had a few guys that size.
offenses score more now, but it's not like Brady has one set of rules and the rest of the league has another ...and he puts up more points than anyone. My point is yes it's an offensive league, and scoring is up, but he would still score points if it weren't, just not as many..he would still be insanely accurate,strong armed, smart and super-competitive in any era. But he would definitely take many more clean hits. it's all relative.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree. But, I'm a hater. He always begs for calls and is smug.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree. But, I'm a hater. He always begs for calls and is smug.
shit that's been going on forever. People still hate the Cowboys to this day from calls they got 20 years ago, and even 35 years ago if you are old enough to remember them in the 70's. I used to antagonize my older, much larger brother on Sunday when the Cowboys were on, and then he would kick the crap out of me for a while
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I agree with u elway over Montana ::)
Just to be clear... I do not think Elway is better than Montana... ON ANY LEVEL.
My statement was that Only Denver Fans think Elway was better than Montana... Everyone else knows better.
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Just to be clear... I do not think Elway is better than Montana... ON ANY LEVEL.
My statement was that Only Denver Fans think Elway was better than Montana... Everyone else knows better.
Thats why we are all beating a dead horse. I can see how a 9er fan would pick Montana. I can see how a Colt fan would pick Manning. I am a Patriots fan, so I pick Brady.
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Thats why we are all beating a dead horse. I can see how a 9er fan would pick Montana. I can see how a Colt fan would pick Manning. I am a Patriots fan, so I pick Brady.
I don't think a Colt fan would pick Manning, just like Dolphin fans don't go rushing to Marino's nutsack.
I think you took a poll, you'd find more of a consensus that puts Montana up top, then everyone else just below... Staubach, Elway, Bradshaw, Brady, and Manning are all right there tied for 2nd based on various criteria... Does Brady have the ability to be put up top? Sure... And he has time to achieve that goal, but then so does technically Manning.
Lot of "ifs" go into it, but sure... They have the potential to take that top spot.
A lot of the statements about the game are definitely true today... A lot of shots that guys like Montana had to take would never be allowed today. The kid gloves on today's QBs definitely makes it easier for the Golden Boys of the NFL.
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Actually, I'm going to call bullshit on the quarterback stats. A guy like Marino played most of his career during the days that corners still could do alot. Marino still racked up a ton of stats. A good quarterback is a good quarterback, regardless of era.
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I don't think a Colt fan would pick Manning, just like Dolphin fans don't go rushing to Marino's nutsack.
I think you took a poll, you'd find more of a consensus that puts Montana up top, then everyone else just below... Staubach, Elway, Bradshaw, Brady, and Manning are all right there tied for 2nd based on various criteria... Does Brady have the ability to be put up top? Sure... And he has time to achieve that goal, but then so does technically Manning.
Lot of "ifs" go into it, but sure... They have the potential to take that top spot.
A lot of the statements about the game are definitely true today... A lot of shots that guys like Montana had to take would never be allowed today. The kid gloves on today's QBs definitely makes it easier for the Golden Boys of the NFL.
Bottom line: Brady has made five superbowls (1 win away from six) Manning has only made two. I'll admit that what Manning did in Denver was amazing, but Tim Tebow got Denver a win in last years playoffs. :P
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Bottom line: Brady has made five superbowls (1 win away from six) Manning has only made two. I'll admit that what Manning did in Denver was amazing, but Tim Tebow got Denver a win in last years playoffs. :P
No argument here... That's why I say he could easily be up top... You give him a couple more superbowl wins and he's got a legit claim.
It's hard to say you're "The best" when you go to the big game and lose sometimes though... Montana is 4-0 and when you are perfect in the big game, it's hard to say you aren't the best when you add in all of the other stats that Montana has to go with.
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Thats why we are all beating a dead horse. I can see how a 9er fan would pick Montana. I can see how a Colt fan would pick Manning. I am a Patriots fan, so I pick Brady.
To me it's just silly, and it applies to all sports. This belief that the guys from 20 years ago, the entire group, is somehow head and shoulders above the guys who play now. People are People and they haven't changed all that much, if anything they have gotten better due to advances in training, nutrition and PEDS. Kids in HS now train like Walter Payton did and have a vision of where they want to be in 5 years....they are all jocks who went to college and made it to the pros.
John Elway wasn't superman ..he was a dude. Colin Kaepernick is bigger. stronger, has a better arm and is faster than Elway ever was.he can outrun safeties and put the ball 80 yards with a perfect spiral. How many Superbowls does he win playing against players 20 years ago ?
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I agree Groink. There should be some generational consideration. It probably should be broken up amongst decades. Brady has the 2000's locked up.
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We all should agree that Brady is better than Manning though.
Manning 1 Ring (2 appearances) 8-11 playoff record.
Brady 3 rings (5 appearances) 17-6 playoff record (passes Montana (16) for most all time playoff wins. Is it really a debate?
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We all should agree that Brady is better than Manning though.
Manning 1 Ring (2 appearances) 8-11 playoff record.
Brady 3 rings (5 appearances) 17-6 playoff record (passes Montana (16) for most all time playoff wins. Is it really a debate?
Rings without taping the other team's plays.
Eli Manning: 2
Ben Rothlisberger: 2
Peyton Manning: 1
Tom Brady: 0
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Bullshit!!! Thats the biggest lie going around. What happened after they were exposed by that rat (Mangini) in week 1 of 2007? They only went 16-0 and made it to the superbowl. What happened after 2007? They went to another superbowl, and are on the doorstep this year. Whatever it was obviously didn't help them, and Goodell would have brought the hammer down on them if he had real evidence.
Why don't people talk about the Saints? Bounty Gate? The supposed taping of the visiting teams playcalling?
Face it guys, the Pats are the elite of elite. They are in the hunt every damn year. Get over it.
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Joe Montana never won a superbowl with Kansas City
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Bullshit!!! Thats the biggest lie going around. .
3 Super Bowl wins all by 3 points, the slightest of margins, all when they video taped the other teams first sets of plays. It's not a stretch to draw conclusions.
What happened after 2007? They went to another superbowl, and are on the doorstep this year.
Once the taping stopped they went to two Super Bowls and lost by the slightest of margins. It's just part of their history.
Goodell would have brought the hammer down on them if he had real evidence.
Goodell DID bring the hammer down, fining Belichek 500k and taking away the draft picks. The NFL took this as seriously as anything.
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3 Super Bowl wins all by 3 points, the slightest of margins, all when they video taped the other teams first sets of plays. It's not a stretch to draw conclusions.
Once the taping stopped they went to two Super Bowls and lost by the slightest of margins. It's just part of their history.
Goodell DID bring the hammer down, fining Belichek 500k and taking away the draft picks. The NFL took this as seriously as anything.
The whole point of the "spygate" retards is that the Patriots would have been nothing without it. The fact is, they keep on winning and making superbowls years later. Grape Ape, your own boy (Parcells) says that everyone cheats to get an advantage. How are the Patriots still winning 5 years after the fact? Its just that jealous fans of shit teams, have nothing else to cling to. Patriots are Americas team. Fuck the Cowboys.
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Joe Montana never won a superbowl with Kansas City
No, but he took a pretty scrub squad and an over the hill Marcus Allen to the AFC championship.
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The whole point of the "spygate" retards is that the Patriots would have been nothing without it. The fact is, they keep on winning and making superbowls years later. Grape Ape, your own boy (Parcells) says that everyone cheats to get an advantage. How are the Patriots still winning 5 years after the fact? Its just that jealous fans of shit teams, have nothing else to cling to. Patriots are Americas team. Fuck the Cowboys.
They have not won in almost a decade, and haven't won anything since the taping stopped.
How are they still winning? Easy - Elite QB, Elite coach and drafting, Elite ownership, and playing in a shitty division year after year.
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They have not won in almost a decade, and haven't won anything since the taping stopped.
How are they still winning? Easy - Elite QB, Elite coach and drafting, Elite ownership, and playing in a shitty division year after year.
Im sorry, I count getting to a superbowl a successful season. Did they tape all of those walkthroughs too? Getting to a superbowl is huge accomplishment. We dont miss the playoffs like your dogshit Giants.
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Bullshit!!! Thats the biggest lie going around. What happened after they were exposed by that rat (Mangini) in week 1 of 2007? They only went 16-0 and made it to the superbowl. What happened after 2007? They went to another superbowl, and are on the doorstep this year. Whatever it was obviously didn't help them, and Goodell would have brought the hammer down on them if he had real evidence.
Why don't people talk about the Saints? Bounty Gate? The supposed taping of the visiting teams playcalling?
Face it guys, the Pats are the elite of elite. They are in the hunt every damn year. Get over it.
That door is shut this weekend...
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Im sorry, I count getting to a superbowl a successful season. Did they tape all of those walkthroughs too? Getting to a superbowl is huge accomplishment. We dont miss the playoffs like your dogshit Giants.
Uh... you haven't made it to the big game every year either... Are you competitive? Sure.
But you aren't in the game EVERY year.
Talk about stretching reality here.
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No, but he took a pretty scrub squad and an over the hill Marcus Allen to the AFC championship.
did alot better then Michael Jordan and the wizards at least
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Uh... you haven't made it to the big game every year either... Are you competitive? Sure.
But you aren't in the game EVERY year.
Talk about stretching reality here.
Made it more than anyone since 2000 holmes. :D
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Made it more than anyone since 2000 holmes. :D
I never said otherwise.
Sure... but since we are being factual, you have to also agree that it's a fact that since you got busted taping walkthroughs that you haven't won it again?
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I never said otherwise.
Sure... but since we are being factual, you have to also agree that it's a fact that since you got busted taping walkthroughs that you haven't won it again?
I agree, but you have to admit that the two teams that make it to the superbowl, are often evenly matched. We were heavy underdogs against the Rams in 2001. The Giants were also heavy dogs against our 2007 team. What does taping plays have to do with it? You dont think that the Pats had access to any teams plays during any season?
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Im sorry, I count getting to a superbowl a successful season. Did they tape all of those walkthroughs too? Getting to a superbowl is huge accomplishment. We dont miss the playoffs like your dogshit Giants.
You're changing the discussion. We're talking about single games, with confirmed tapings in which the Patriots won the Super Bowl. When they got caught, presumably the taping of playoff games and Super Bowls stopped too, and they haven't won since. Are you denying this?
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How boring of a Superbowl will it be if Atlanta wins the NFC and has to play NE or Baltimore. Fucking horrible.
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You're changing the discussion. We're talking about single games, with confirmed tapings in which the Patriots won the Super Bowl. When they got caught, presumably the taping of playoff games and Super Bowls stopped too, and they haven't won since. Are you denying this?
Thats bullshit. Do you really think that there was some annoymous guy taping the Rams, Panthers, and Eagles? Nobody would notice a strange guy with a video camera? Fact is, the Patriots were a dynasty and continue to be an elite team. To say anything else is jealousy.
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How boring of a Superbowl will it be if Atlanta wins the NFC and has to play NE or Baltimore. Fucking horrible.
I hope its Ne vs. Sf. I want revenge.
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I hope its Ne vs. Sf. I want revenge.
At this point SF can make it an interesting game. Only NE, Bal and ATL fans will enjoy it. Boring shit. Will probably watch porn instead.
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TThats bullshit. Do you really think that there was some annoymous guy taping the Rams, Panthers, and Eagles? Nobody would notice a strange guy with a video camera? Fact is, the Patriots were a dynasty and continue to be an elite team. To say anything else is jealousy.
uh....didn't I say a few posts up that the Pats had elite ownership/coaching/qb....etc...? I did. In fact, I haven't once said the Patriots didn't have a dysnasty through 04, or haven't been regular season dominant the last 8 years.
But, do you really believe the Rams were an isolated incident? Of course not - it was standard Patriot policy. It's just a fact. They did it, won 3 SB during that time, got busted and severly punished, and haven't won for almost a decade since. This is without question.
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uh....didn't I say a few posts up that the Pats had elite ownership/coaching/qb....etc...? I did. In fact, I haven't once said the Patriots didn't have a dysnasty through 04, or haven't been regular season dominant the last 8 years.
But, do you really believe the Rams were an isolated incident? Of course not - it was standard Patriot policy. It's just a fact. They did it, won 3 SB during that time, got busted and severly punished, and haven't won for almost a decade since. You can't deny that.
Think about it, every team has tape on every other team they face. It part of the gameplan. The Rams just underestimated the Patriots. The Panthers and Eagles were an even match, hence the 3 point wins. By shitting on the Patriots, you arent giving much credit to your Giants. Both of those games could have gone either way. A video tape wouldnt have done shit.
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Think about it, every team has tape on every other team they face. It part of the gameplan. The Rams just underestimated the Patriots. The Panthers and Eagles were an even match, hence the 3 point wins. By shitting on the Patriots, you arent giving much credit to your Giants. Both of those games could have gone either way. A video tape wouldnt have done shit.
Not really, the Giants won two Super Bowls by the smallest of margins that could have easily had them 0-2. But they didn't have a camera taping the Pats' walkthroughs before the game.
The Patriots had that for their 3 wins. We're not talking general tape of games. We're talking about tapes of private practices. That happened.
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The taping really doesn't mean jack, the patriots have won dozens of games since then, it's not like a Super Bowl game is any different than a regular season game, it's more important for sure, but a game is a game and they win more than anyone since that happened, including playoffs.
but it's fun watching Grape Ape make Shizzos head explode in this thread...LOL ;D
As far as the Brady/Manning argument...it's no contest...Brady by a mile.
Tre put it best...The media licks Peyton's asshole clean every year and he gets knocked out of the playoffs 9 out of 10 times
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Not really, the Giants won two Super Bowls by the smallest of margins that could have easily had them 0-2. But they didn't have a camera taping the Pats' walkthroughs before the game.
The Patriots had that for their 3 wins. We're not talking general tape of games. We're talking about tapes of private practices. That happened.
That is between Goodell and Belichick. Stop acting like you know what went on behind the scenes. The cameraman supposedly acted on his own, without the knowledge of Belichick. Belichick didnt know he was breaking the rules ;D
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I agree, but you have to admit that the two teams that make it to the superbowl, are often evenly matched. We were heavy underdogs against the Rams in 2001. The Giants were also heavy dogs against our 2007 team. What does taping plays have to do with it? You dont think that the Pats had access to any teams plays during any season?
Certainly not saying they did or didn't.
The pats are a great team... I personally think that Bellichick is money (Unless he's playing against Tom Coughlin ;D) perhaps the greatest coach in the history of football.
There's your great player... The guy on the sideline.
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The taping really doesn't mean jack, the patriots have won dozens of games since then, it's not like a Super Bowl game is any different than a regular season game, it's more important for sure, but a game is a game and they win more than anyone since that happened, including playoffs.
but it's fun watching Grape Ape make Shizzos head explode in this thread...LOL ;D
As far as the Brady/Manning argument...it's no contest...Brady by a mile.
Tre put it best...The media licks Peyton's asshole clean every year and he gets knocked out of the playoffs 9 out of 10 times
I agree Groink. Maybe its because my father is a Giants fan. Its definately a house divided. Everyone else is just a jealous hater of the Patriots.
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That is between Goodell and Belichick. Stop acting like you know what went on behind the scenes. The cameraman supposedly acted on his own, without the knowledge of Belichick. Belichick didnt know he was breaking the rules ;D
Lol. ;D We can stop here. Enjoy the playoffs.
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Lol. ;D We can stop here. Enjoy the playoffs.
Agreed. I know you are a good sport.
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No way... 1981 Niners man.
That team was nothing special.
i'm not saying montana isn't in the top 5, i have him 3rd best behind brady and elway
2001 pats team was nothing special
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Just to be clear... I do not think Elway is better than Montana... ON ANY LEVEL.
My statement was that Only Denver Fans think Elway was better than Montana... Everyone else knows better.
why is montana better? because he has more super bowl rings?
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Think about it, every team has tape on every other team they face. It part of the gameplan. The Rams just underestimated the Patriots. The Panthers and Eagles were an even match, hence the 3 point wins. By shitting on the Patriots, you arent giving much credit to your Giants. Both of those games could have gone either way. A video tape wouldnt have done shit.
Don't mistaken Game Tape vs. Closed Practice tape. This is where teams try out new alignments, new calls etc... This is where the Pats got the edge. The opponent thought they would try something new and the Pats already saw that play and new how to defend it. that was their advantage.
In the end, you still need a good team though to execute. They have built solid teams for a long time.
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why is montana better? because he has more super bowl rings?
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He has more rings, better stats overall, way more clutch moments... The list continues.
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Not true. They missed the playoffs that year. 11-5 wasn't good enough. If Brady was healthy, that 11-5 would probably have been 13-3 and they make the playoffs. Huge difference.
11-5 would have been good enough, had one of those losses not been to the Dolphins.
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11-5 would have been good enough, had one of those losses not been to the Dolphins.
Fuck, this season 11-5 meant a first round bye. Just luck.
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He has more rings, better stats overall, way more clutch moments... The list continues.
lol elway has much better stats, it's not even close clearly you're just another guy that says montana is better because all of your friends say he's better if you're telling me he has better stats
elway has more conference titles, no doubt he would have more than 2 rings if he played for the 49ers in the 80's
what clutch moments did montana have? the catch and that drive against the bengals in the super bowl, name "way more"
montana was "so much better" than elway that his replacement steve young came in and led them to another super bowl ::)
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lol elway has much better stats, it's not even close clearly you're just another guy that says montana is better because all of your friends say he's better if you're telling me he has better stats
elway has more conference titles, no doubt he would have more than 2 rings if he played for the 49ers in the 80's
what clutch moments did montana have? the catch and that drive against the bengals in the super bowl, name "way more"
montana was "so much better" than elway that his replacement steve young came in and led them to another super bowl ::)
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You forget that SF restocked their defense with All-Stars the year Young won it. A lot of those guys weren't on the team the following year and they haven't won it since.
If Montana had the same protection from the NFL that QBs have and if Rice had the same cushion that WR have today they would have set records untouchable forever.
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You forget that SF restocked their defense with All-Stars the year Young won it. A lot of those guys weren't on the team the following year and they haven't won it since.
If Montana had the same protection from the NFL that QBs have and if Rice had the same cushion that WR have today they would have set records untouchable forever.
you guys act like montana played behind a bad line
with all the short and quick passes he threw in the west coast offense he was hardly touched
rice does have untouchable records, he made montana and young look like all time greats and made rich gannon an nfl mvp 10 years ago
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I will go with NE and SF
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No, Maradona is. Never heard of Tom Brady.
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lol elway has much better stats, it's not even close clearly you're just another guy that says montana is better because all of your friends say he's better if you're telling me he has better stats
elway has more conference titles, no doubt he would have more than 2 rings if he played for the 49ers in the 80's
what clutch moments did montana have? the catch and that drive against the bengals in the super bowl, name "way more"
montana was "so much better" than elway that his replacement steve young came in and led them to another super bowl ::)
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Montana took a VERY average 81 team and won a superbowl with them.
Montana:
TD-INT 273-139
Yards 40,551
QB Rating 92.3
Elway
TD-INT 300-226
Yards 51,475
QB Rating 79.9
Yeah, Elway definitely threw it more... and if you go back and look at awards and records and a whole host of other stuff (Which I just don't feel like going into... Hell, you can probably wikipedia all of the awards) , Montana crushes Elway, but whatever dude.
You can say what you want... Elway is awesome.
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you guys act like montana played behind a bad line
with all the short and quick passes he threw in the west coast offense he was hardly touched
rice does have untouchable records, he made montana and young look like all time greats and made rich gannon an nfl mvp 10 years ago
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Then by your own reasoning, Jerry Rice is the best football player ever.
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You guys act like receivers never got open 20 years ago. Rice still has records that stand to this day, and the west coast offense tore up the league. Every team in the league runs a variation of it during the course of a game in the NFL now. the Run-and-shoot is another one.
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kinda of nice having ...... in their prime
Jerry Rice
Brent Jones
Rodger Craig
Tom Rathman
John Taylor
Ken Norton Jr
Ronnie Lott
Charles Haley
Harris Barton
Jesse Sapolu
Randy Cross
Dwight Clark
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Montana took a VERY average 81 team and won a superbowl with them.
Montana:
TD-INT 273-139
Yards 40,551
QB Rating 92.3
Elway
TD-INT 300-226
Yards 51,475
QB Rating 79.9
Yeah, Elway definitely threw it more... and if you go back and look at awards and records and a whole host of other stuff (Which I just don't feel like going into... Hell, you can probably wikipedia all of the awards) , Montana crushes Elway, but whatever dude.
You can say what you want... Elway is awesome.
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how was the 81 team average? because it didn't have jerry rice?
every team aside from the 98 team that elway took to the super bowl was considered average, he carried them all by himself while montana had plenty of hall of famers and pro bowlers
montana threw mostly short and safe passes, elway had a much stronger arm and took more chances
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Then by your own reasoning, Jerry Rice is the best football player ever.
he probably is, infact nfl network ranked him number 1
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how was the 81 team average? because it didn't have jerry rice?
every team aside from the 98 team that elway took to the super bowl was considered average, he carried them all by himself while montana had plenty of hall of famers and pro bowlers
montana threw mostly short and safe passes, elway had a much stronger arm and took more chances
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Please, without going to wikipedia, name some great offensive weapons on that 81 superbowl team... I'll wait.
Elway never won a superbowl before he had a great running back... That's history.
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Please, without going to wikipedia, name some great offensive weapons on that 81 superbowl team... I'll wait.
Elway never won a superbowl before he had a great running back... That's history.
i couldnt tell you a single player, coach, owner, cheerleader or fan of that bangles team either
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i couldnt tell you a single player, coach, owner, cheerleader or fan of that bangles team either
I know Ken Anderson... That's pretty much the only guy I can name off the top of my head.
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Just to be clear... I do not think Elway is better than Montana... ON ANY LEVEL.
My statement was that Only Denver Fans think Elway was better than Montana... Everyone else knows better.
;D no no I'm agreeing with u being sarcastic about the other poster saying elway better than Montana.
No way
Montana > elway 8)
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To me it's just silly, and it applies to all sports. This belief that the guys from 20 years ago, the entire group, is somehow head and shoulders above the guys who play now. People are People and they haven't changed all that much, if anything they have gotten better due to advances in training, nutrition and PEDS. Kids in HS now train like Walter Payton did and have a vision of where they want to be in 5 years....they are all jocks who went to college and made it to the pros.
John Elway wasn't superman ..he was a dude. Colin Kaepernick is bigger. stronger, has a better arm and is faster than Elway ever was.he can outrun safeties and put the ball 80 yards with a perfect spiral. How many Superbowls does he win playing against players 20 years ago ?
Exactly! Today's guys are bigger, faster, more aggressive, plays are different, heck colleges alabama team would probably do well ;D
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Elway was a fucking great baseball player too was going to be drafted by the Yankees , Montana wears Sketchers shoes
Elway > Montana
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he probably is, infact nfl network ranked him number 1
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Not arguing that, I've seen him mentioned before as best ever.
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Please, without going to wikipedia, name some great offensive weapons on that 81 superbowl team... I'll wait.
Elway never won a superbowl before he had a great running back... That's history.
why do you keep bringing up the 81 super bowl? ovciously you don't think he would've won the other 3 super bowls with the same roster, i'm not saying montana is bad i just thought elway was better
elway made it to 3 super bowls without a running back and without much of anything else, i don't understand this mentality of being a "loser" for not winning a super bowl and being more of a "winner" for losing in the divisional round
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why do you keep bringing up the 81 super bowl? ovciously you don't think he would've won the other 3 super bowls with the same roster, i'm not saying montana is bad i just thought elway was better
elway made it to 3 super bowls without a running back and without much of anything else, i don't understand this mentality of being a "loser" for not winning a super bowl and being more of a "winner" for losing in the divisional round
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I only bring up that season because we have so many people sitting around talking about how awesome Montana's teams always were... and they were not ALL awesome.
At the end of the day, winning the big one ONCE is WAY better than making it to the big game 10 times and losing it each time.
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WR Chris C.
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This Tom Brady still looks pretty darn good.
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If he wins this and then beats SF at SB 47, then how can he NOT be the best QB EVER?
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Fucking Brady better be the "best football player ever" right about now or he'll be playing golf in two weeks ;D
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Brady can only do so much with a Puerto Rican TE and white WR and RB
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He is toast it's over.
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Fuck this shit!!!!!! >:(
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Fuck this shit!!!!!! >:(
how's that dynasty looking shizzo ? ;D
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how's that dynasty looking shizzo ? ;D
As Mike Tyson would say "fading into Bolivia." :P
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Three And Out Tom.
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Poor Brady... :-\
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Poor Brady... :-\
not really.
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not tonight he wasnt lol
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So either Ray Lewis will get another ring and ride off into the sunset or Randy Moss will get his first ring and ride off into the sunset.
I'm cool with that.
Yeah I can live with that too
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49ers will win this shit......the Pats pay for their sins tonight from last year's AFC championship against the ravens...payback is a biaatch...ahhahahahah
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He can't beat the NYG n has problems with Balt, so flexes, stickum and steel curtains would wreck Brady.
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The best football player ever is Jerry Rice or Lawrence Taylor, I have spoken.
Or maybe Jim Brown but I'm too young for that.
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Brady needs to play Flag football!
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49ers will win this shit......the Pats pay for their sins tonight from last year's AFC championship against the ravens...payback is a biaatch...ahhahahahah
Not their fault the ravens kicker missed the field goal to tie it up last year...
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NO!
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I don't now if Manning feels a bit relieved after this but the Ravens not only manhandled the Pats but they gave Brady the ball all day long. He choked this time. Ravens were lucky against the Broncos and their collapsing defense but they just dominated the Patriots and Brady.
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Pats have been lucky to play a shit division for a decade. The two years the Jets play well the Pats don't make the AFC champ game. Otherwise they've been guaranteed 6 wins a year.
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Pats have been lucky to play a shit division for a decade. The two years the Jets play well the Pats don't make the AFC champ game. Otherwise they've been guaranteed 6 wins a year.
New England is still an elite franchise. There are shit teams in every division retard. We will be back next year like we always are .
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New England is still an elite franchise. There are shit teams in every division retard. We will be back next year like we always are .
There are shit teams in every division, but rarely 75% are are shit for a decade.
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There are shit teams in every division, but rarely 75% are are shit for a decade.
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I love how Pats fans think they are a "Dynasty". No Super Bowl wins since their spy cameras were taken away :D
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I love how Pats fans think they are a "Dynasty". No Super Bowl wins since their spy cameras were taken away :D
Do you fucktards realise how hard it is to make thr Afc championship game? How about making superbowls? We have made it to 3 Afc title games, and two superbowls since spygate
(2007) Most teams could only dream of such success.
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Do you fucktards realise how hard it is to make thr Afc championship game? How about making superbowls? We have made it to 3 Afc title games, and two superbowls since spygate
(2007) Most teams could only dream of such success.
Steelers have been to three SBs and won two since the Patriots last won a championship. Are they a dynasty too?
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Steelers have been to three SBs and won two since the Patriots last won a championship. Are they a dynasty too?
STEELERS ALWAYS BEEN A DYNASTY,,,
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I love how Pats fans think they are a "Dynasty". No Super Bowl wins since their spy cameras were taken away :D
THANKS YOU FOR MAKING THIS CLEAR... THE PATS ARE SORE LOSERS.. TRICKLES DOWN FROM BELICHICK TO BRADY.
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Steelers have been to three SBs and won two since the Patriots last won a championship. Are they a dynasty too?
Its got to be at least 3 out of four in a row. I never said they still are, I said they were a dynasty.
60's Packers
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
2000's Patriots.
These are facts.
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I personally think the Pats are at the start of a decline. Brady is getting old and after this loss, people are starting to not be scared to death of them. And that was a huge part of their mystique..that they can't be beaten. they are getting beaten by good teams regularly now.
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I personally think the Pats are at the start of a decline. Brady is getting old and after this loss, people are starting to not be scared to death of them. And that was a huge part of their mystique..that they can't be beaten. they are getting beaten by good teams regularly now.
I guess if you have to draft 30th every year, sooner or later it has to catch up to you.
The tipped pass that was intercepted really changed the game momentum. If Brady goes down and scores there, it probably ends up Pats by one with no time left.
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so if everyone thinks brady is a system quarterback, so why would the Pats be on a decline ???
All the pats have to do is get a semi decent QB and as long as belichick is still the head coach the Dynasty will continue to roll on
well thats unless , brady is in fact a Legendary QB thats isnt replaceable
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so if everyone thinks brady is a system quarterback, so why would the Pats be on a decline ???
All the pats have to do is get a semi decent QB and as long as belichick is still the head coach the Dynasty will continue to roll on
well thats unless , brady is in fact a Legendary QB thats isnt replaceable
I don't think Brady is a system QB. he's fucking great.
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this fumbled killed any chances the Pats had at making a comeback
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this fumbled killed any chances the Pats had at making a comeback
(http://www.bullfax.com/imgs/366c74c36a37ecaa4d645e92cc7500680b706b29.jpg)
to play devil's advocate, why wasn't a personal foul called on that play?
brutal helmet to helmet that knocked the dude out cold...Pats would have maintained possession( foul occurred before the fumble) plus 15 yards and it's a whole new ballgame.
Also, any opinions on this.....
Wes Welker is an unrestricted free agent next year, you guys think Bellichick re-signs him ? that's two playoff losses in a row where he has dropped huge passes.
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to play devil's advocate, why wasn't a personal foul called on that play?
brutal helmet to helmet that knocked the dude out cold...Pats would have maintained possession( foul occurred before the fumble) plus 15 yards and it's a whole new ballgame.
Also, any opinions on this.....
Wes Welker is an unrestricted free agent next year, you guys think Bellichick re-signs him ? that's two playoff losses in a row where he has dropped huge passes.
Guy knocked himself out if you ask me. Rammed his own head into the defender's.
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Guy knocked himself out if you ask me. Rammed his own head into the defender's.
LOL....that's one way to look at it. i saw Pollard come flying in and plant his helmet on the side of that guy's head. which he is notorious for.
My point is, the way they are calling personal fouls these days that was most definitely a penalty, far less gets called. a lineman brushed his hand across Caperneick's helmet and was flagged yesterday.
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I personally think the Pats are at the start of a decline. Brady is getting old and after this loss, people are starting to not be scared to death of them. And that was a huge part of their mystique..that they can't be beaten. they are getting beaten by good teams regularly now.
kinda like my yankees,,,
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I don't think Brady is a system QB. he's fucking great.
Tell that to Matt Cassel.
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to play devil's advocate, why wasn't a personal foul called on that play?
brutal helmet to helmet that knocked the dude out cold...Pats would have maintained possession( foul occurred before the fumble) plus 15 yards and it's a whole new ballgame.
Also, any opinions on this.....
Wes Welker is an unrestricted free agent next year, you guys think Bellichick re-signs him ? that's two playoff losses in a row where he has dropped huge passes.
Because a brother VS brother has more story line then brady vs 49ers i suppose .... people are suckers for a good drama story
queue the harbaugh family feud , the Mother picking John father picking Jim stories, the awkward Holiday dinner stories
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Elway has my vote for best QB ever. I give him a slight edge over Manning/Brady/Montana who I also think are a little better than Marino/Favre.
Can't comment on the guys in the 60s and 70s, it was a different game then. Football is really hard to compare guys based on just stats. For example if guys like Bradshaw/Staubach/Unitas played today they'd probably have much higher yards and TD totals.
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Tell that to Matt Cassel.
What were Cassel's numbers that year?
you brought it up...I'm not looking ;D
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What were Cassel's numbers that year?
you brought it up...I'm not looking ;D
2008 NE: 327/516 (63%), 3694 yards, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, 89.4 QB rating, 10-5 record as starter
2010 KC: 262/540 (58%), 3116 yards, 27 TDs, 7 INTs, 93.0 QB rating, 10-5 record as starter
Kansas City must have had a great system too.
I don't like Brady but the argument that he's not actually an elite all-time great is ridiculous.
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to play devil's advocate, why wasn't a personal foul called on that play?
brutal helmet to helmet that knocked the dude out cold...Pats would have maintained possession( foul occurred before the fumble) plus 15 yards and it's a whole new ballgame.
Also, any opinions on this.....
Wes Welker is an unrestricted free agent next year, you guys think Bellichick re-signs him ? that's two playoff losses in a row where he has dropped huge passes.
Great player but fuck does Bellichick over use him, he is on punt returns and gets thrown at 20x a game
dude is to small to take that kind of beating game after game
and he has had some big drops when it matters
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Great player but fuck does Bellichick over use him, he is on punt returns and gets thrown at 20x a game
dude is to small to take that kind of beating game after game
and he has had some big drops when it matters
I'm surprised Welker is still alive to be honest, guy gets absolutely murdered in every game I watch.
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LOL....that's one way to look at it. i saw Pollard come flying in and plant his helmet on the side of that guy's head. which he is notorious for.
My point is, the way they are calling personal fouls these days that was most definitely a penalty, far less gets called. a lineman brushed his hand across Caperneick's helmet and was flagged yesterday.
Ridley lowered his head going into it, Pollard didn't move. That hit on Pitta should have been flagged, but I guess he got the best of him, because he scored on the next play. I will say it though, Pollard is a Patriot killer. I'm not getting all tinfoil hat/conspiracy on you, but he has taken out his fair share of Patriots.
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Ridley lowered his head going into it, Pollard didn't move. That hit on Pitta should have been flagged, but I guess he got the best of him, because he scored on the next play. I will say it though, Pollard is a Patriot killer. I'm not getting all tinfoil hat/conspiracy on you, but he has taken out his fair share of Patriots.
Yeah looking at it again it's not as one sided as i thought, but it was still major helmet to helmet. I'm not an "if' guy, but if that hit was out in the open, every ref would have thrown his flag, in my opinion.
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Ridley lowered his head going into it, Pollard didn't move. That hit on Pitta should have been flagged, but I guess he got the best of him, because he scored on the next play. I will say it though, Pollard is a Patriot killer. I'm not getting all tinfoil hat/conspiracy on you, but he has taken out his fair share of Patriots.
it this isnt a clean hit i dont know what is
Helmet to the side, all shoulder pad hit
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So now Welker's wife is mouthing off. F'n hot as anything, though.
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/barstoolsports.jpg)
"Proud of my husband and the Pats," Burns Welker wrote. "By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis' Wikipedia page. 6 kids, 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!"
I'm no Lewis fan, but he would eat Welker for a snack.
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So now Welker's wife is mouthing off. F'n hot as anything, though.
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/barstoolsports.jpg)
I'm no Lewis fan, but he would eat Welker for a snack.
She speaks the Truth , she is coming out a bit sour , but still the truth non the less
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She speaks the Truth , she is coming out a bit sour , but still the truth non the less
Like I said, I'm no Lewis fan, but I must have missed her posts complaining about the Pats' acquision of Aqib Talib. In other words, she should STFU. I'm pretty sure Welker would rather she not post that.
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She speaks the Truth , she is coming out a bit sour , but still the truth non the less
She should shut the fuck up and make Wes a sammy while wearing nothing but an apron.
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Like I said, I'm no Lewis fan, but I must have missed her posts complaining about the Pats' acquision of Aqib Talib. In other words, she should STFU. I'm pretty sure Welker would rather she not post that.
Agree
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Gisele Bόndchen and Kurt Warner's wife
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She shouldn't have said that, but I echo her statements. The dude is a complete fraud, and serves as an example of someone who hides behind religion. Only an idiot would think that guy is a true role model.
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Aqib Talib pulled a George Constanza and made some great plays and basically said I'm done I'm outta here leaving his contract year on a high note. Probably put 3 million more dollars in his pocket by leaving that game on a high note and having the Pats defense collapse afterward.
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Aqib Talib pulled a George Constanza and made some great plays and basically said I'm done I'm outta here leaving his contract year on a few high note. Probably put 3 million more dollars in his pocket by leaving that game on a high note and having the Pats defense collapse afterward.
Yeah that hurt. We also could have used Gronk as well.
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Yeah looking at it again it's not as one sided as i thought, but it was still major helmet to helmet. I'm not an "if' guy, but if that hit was out in the open, every ref would have thrown his flag, in my opinion.
I dunno, watch the video again, Pollard (#31) goes to La-La Land for a moment too.
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Heard Brady on WEEI today. He couldn't even talk (Flu).
At least he's not an excuse maker / shit talker. He said he wasn't sick and it had nothing to do with it.
(Though he sounded like dog shit).
Unlike that dumb Nigel Suggs, what a piece of excrement he is. Loser..
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Heard Brady on WEEI today. He couldn't even talk (Flu).
At least he's not an excuse maker / shit talker. He said he wasn't sick and it had nothing to do with it.
(Though he sounded like dog shit).
Unlike that dumb Nigel Suggs, what a piece of excrement he is. Loser..
nigel suggs is mad because nobody will ever remember his name or what team he ever played for
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nigel suggs is mad because nobody will ever remember his name or what team he ever played for
LMAO...
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So now Welker's wife is mouthing off. F'n hot as anything, though.
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/barstoolsports.jpg)
I'm no Lewis fan, but he would eat Welker for a snack.
6 kids, 4 wives, so she is saying Lewis is a polygamist?!
Hahaha, Salty...
And if she were in Baltimore, she'd probably tried to be baby momma #7.
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wtf is going on w her rack?
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trent dilfer is the best QB ever.
dude has more rings than Marino.
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wtf is going on w her rack?
Agreed, looks funky. Push up bra?
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welker bragged about his hair plugs. i get the woman kept making his feel bad about it.
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Whores usually dont have opinions of their own, they usually repeat what they hear like parrots , Welker must of talked bout Ray Ray criminal past at home in multiple occasions
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nsp6MIT3Fho/TyHCrH31geI/AAAAAAAAC_Q/rl58Uml53JU/s320/url.jpg)
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welker bragged about his hair plugs. i get the woman kept making his feel bad about it.
Like Bob Chick, Welker gets paid by the hair plug place to endorse it.
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She shouldn't have said that, but I echo her statements. The dude is a complete fraud, and serves as an example of someone who hides behind religion. Only an idiot would think that guy is a true role model.
What do u expect from a thug like nig nog?
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6 kids, 4 wives, so she is saying Lewis is a polygamist?!
Hahaha, Salty...
And if she were in Baltimore, she'd probably tried to be baby momma #7.
Niners are taking out your team
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Brutal hit. Both guys went out. Bad thing for NE is that they were in a place (on O) to lose the ball.
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not be a long shot.
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not be a long shot.
Yup.....not even top 5 QB after this season. He'll never play in another Super Bowl...I've said it before.
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Yup.....not even top 5 QB after this season. He'll never play in another Super Bowl...I've said it before.
Watch out Groink, he might hear you.
(http://www.i.thefashionisto.com/2012/9/tom-brady5.jpg)
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Joe Namath
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im only a moderate football fan, but wasnt it jim kelly who took the bills to 3 SB's in a row? thats impressive.
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grrrr
Watch out Groink, he might hear you.
(http://www.i.thefashionisto.com/2012/9/tom-brady5.jpg)
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Whores usually dont have opinions of their own, they usually repeat what they hear like parrots , Welker must of talked bout Ray Ray criminal past at home in multiple occasions
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nsp6MIT3Fho/TyHCrH31geI/AAAAAAAAC_Q/rl58Uml53JU/s320/url.jpg)
(http://headblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/anna-burns-4.jpg)
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(http://www.deporterosa.com/sites/default/files/anna-burns-10.jpg)
Nice classy whore right there. Fuck Brady.
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yes, i like the fact that Welker went out and got himself an actual slut whore. he probably blows loads on her face and in her ass, while Brady the fucking fairy is walking Gisselle's dog around the block with a little plastic bag to pick up the poop
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Whores usually dont have opinions of their own, they usually repeat what they hear like parrots , Welker must of talked bout Ray Ray criminal past at home in multiple occasions
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nsp6MIT3Fho/TyHCrH31geI/AAAAAAAAC_Q/rl58Uml53JU/s320/url.jpg)
(http://headblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/anna-burns-4.jpg)
(http://gridironexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/anna_burns_6.jpg)
(http://www.deporterosa.com/sites/default/files/anna-burns-10.jpg)
Not sure about her feet...would have to think before hitting :-\
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Yup.....not even top 5 QB after this season. He'll never play in another Super Bowl...I've said it before.
You are nuts. What are we basing top 5 on? He always has top 5 numbers. I think Patriots win the last two superbowls if they had a healthy Gronk. I know that is a big "if".
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You are nuts. What are we basing top 5 on? He always has top 5 numbers. I think Patriots win the last two superbowls if they had a healthy Gronk. I know that is a big "if".
basing it on heart and will to win. Brady is a front runner...either his team rolls over you like a tank or he loses. that's how it's been the last five years or so. I knew from the second series of plays they were going to lose to the Ravens, and i'm not joking. when things don't go bradys way he pouts and loses
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Not a Brady fan, but 3 superbowls, a couple MVPs, crazy stats all equals one of the best ever. People hang off of Manning's nuts but he has 1 superbowl.
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basing it on heart and will to win. Brady is a front runner...either his team rolls over you like a tank or he loses. that's how it's been the last five years or so. I knew from the second series of plays they were going to lose to the Ravens, and i'm not joking. when things don't go bradys way he pouts and loses
No, when we lost both Gronk and Talib, we were in trouble. Look at the game before Talib got hurt. The Ravens couldn't do shit through the air. Nobody would have been able to cover Gronk either. Us Patriots fans have a legit arguement when it comes to Gronkowski. He is one of (if not) the best tight ends in the league. If any team loses the number one guy at their position, it will impact the team tremendously. Do the Ravens win without Boldin? I don't think so.
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No, when we lost both Gronk and Talib, we were in trouble. Look at the game before Talib got hurt. The Ravens couldn't do shit through the air. Nobody would have been able to cover Gronk either. Us Patriots fans have a legit arguement when it comes to Gronkowski. He is one of (if not) the best tight ends in the league. If any team loses the number one guy at their position, it will impact the team tremendously. Do the Ravens win without Boldin? I don't think so.
Ifs and buts dude. what happened happened.
Pats have been putting up INSANE numbers without Gronk and Brady himself said so.
I said the same thing about Kwaleeb Faseem during the game, but the ravens lost guys too. you can't say what would and would not have happened, it's silly.
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I said the same thing about Kwaleeb Faseem during the game, but the ravens lost guys too. you can't say what would and would not have happened, it's silly.
I agree completely.
If no MLB strike in 94, Showalter started Kamenecki in 95, Bernie got one hit in 97, and Rivera didn't have a throwing error in '01...the Yankees could have won 8 WS in a row......but they did not, so it's completely moot.
In pro sports, with the talent levels involved, there's always going to be one or two factors that can flip an outcome. The trouble is, isolating this stuff ignores all the other things that happened on the other side that could've again flipped it the other way.
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I agree completely.
If no MLB strike in 94, Showalter started Kamenecki in 95, Bernie got one hit in 97, and Rivera didn't have a throwing error in '01...the Yankees could have won 8 WS in a row......but they did not, so it's completely moot.
In pro sports, with the talent levels involved, there's always going to be one or two factors that can flip an outcome. The trouble is, isolating this stuff ignores all the other things that happened on the other side that could've again flipped it the other way.
perfect post, couldn't have said it better
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I agree completely.
If no MLB strike in 94, Showalter started Kamenecki in 95, Bernie got one hit in 97, and Rivera didn't have a throwing error in '01...the Yankees could have won 8 WS in a row......but they did not, so it's completely moot.
In pro sports, with the talent levels involved, there's always going to be one or two factors that can flip an outcome. The trouble is, isolating this stuff ignores all the other things that happened on the other side that could've again flipped it the other way.
Yes, but we are talking about the best player at a position getting hurt. Do the 49ers win without Rice?, Do the Cowboys win without Emmitt? Gronkowski is a game changer.
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I agree completely.
If no MLB strike in 94, Showalter started Kamenecki in 95, Bernie got one hit in 97, and Rivera didn't have a throwing error in '01...the Yankees could have won 8 WS in a row......but they did not, so it's completely moot.
In pro sports, with the talent levels involved, there's always going to be one or two factors that can flip an outcome. The trouble is, isolating this stuff ignores all the other things that happened on the other side that could've again flipped it the other way.
Whoa, if 94 strike didn't happen, the Montreal Expos would have won it. Pedro was a fucking monster and they had the best closer plus a ton of great hitters.
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Whoa, if 94 strike didn't happen, the Montreal Expos would have won it. Pedro was a fucking monster and they had the best closer plus a ton of great hitters.
Nice one Blanco. The Expos were loaded that year (Alou, Walker, Floyd, Galarraga etc...)
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Yes, but we are talking about the best player at a position getting hurt. Do the 49ers win without Rice?, Do the Cowboys win without Emmitt? Gronkowski is a game changer.
Patriots have won plenty of games without Gronkowski. he's always hurt. that's the fact, great player, gets hurt...it is what it is.
again "if" my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather
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Patriots have won plenty of games without Gronkowski. he's always hurt. that's the fact, great player, gets hurt...it is what it is.
again "if" my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather
The Niners did win without Rice as well.
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Patriots have won plenty of games without Gronkowski. he's always hurt. that's the fact, great player, gets hurt...it is what it is.
again "if" my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather
I agree Groink, but when you get into the playoffs, its a whole different game. If full strength, I stand by my Pats all day long. Injuries are apart of the game.
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I agree Groink, but when you get into the playoffs, its a whole different game. If full strength, I stand by my Pats all day long. Injuries are apart of the game.
There have been many years where the Pats were running at full strength and they haven't made it.
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There have been many years where the Pats were running at full strength and they haven't made it.
Not the last two years. Gronk was worthless in both the superbowl, and out in the first quarer in this years AFC championship. He would have been the difference in both games.
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Whoa, if 94 strike didn't happen, the Montreal Expos would have won it. Pedro was a fucking monster and they had the best closer plus a ton of great hitters.
That's why I said "Could" instead of "would". Expos were stacked, no doubt. But they're Canadian, and only gay Canadians play baseball, the rest play hockey.
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Not the last two years. Gronk was worthless in both the superbowl, and out in the first quarer in this years AFC championship. He would have been the difference in both games.
Weren't they a better team back in the 2007-08 season where they lost to the Giants.
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That's why I said "Could" instead of "would". Expos were stacked, no doubt. But they're Canadian, and only gay Canadians play baseball, the rest play hockey.
I'll give Getbig points for that. It could have been a toss-up, Canadian gays vs. High priced guys.
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Weren't they a better team back in the 2007-08 season where they lost to the Giants.
Yes Holmes. The Giants beat them fair and square in 07. IMHO, having Gronk out cost the Pats the last two superbowls.
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Yes Holmes. The Giants beat them fair and square in 07. IMHO, having Gronk out cost the Pats the last two superbowls.
Okee dokee.
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Yes Holmes. The Giants beat them fair and square in 07. IMHO, having Gronk out cost the Pats the last two superbowls.
but they have only been to one Superbowl since then .
By your reasoning, the Pats should win the Super Bowl every year since they have had gronkowski...ok then, I didn't realiize he was the greatest player of all time and his team can't win without him.
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but they have only been to one Superbowl since then .
By your reasoning, the Pats should win the Super Bowl every year since they have had gronkowski...ok then, I didn't realiize he was the greatest player of all time and his team can't win without him.
Pats get 6 easy wins from a shitty divison for over a decade. The two years the Jets were decent, guess what? Pats don't win the division.
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Pats get 6 easy wins from a shitty divison for over a decade. The two years the Jets were decent, guess what? Pats don't win the division.
Every division has shitty teams. The 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams this year.
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NFC East the toughest bitches!!! 8)
12 total SB titles among them
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Every team has shitty teams. The 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams this year.
The Jets, Bills and Dolphins are for the most part inept franchises that rarely put a winner on the field. they have their moments...but the AFC east sure isn't the NFC east where these guys beat up on each other all season long...it's the Patriots and then a big step down to everyone else. they have a fast track to the playoffs every year.
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The Jets, Bills and Dolphins are for the most part inept franchises that rarely put a winner on the field. they have their moments...but the AFC east sure isn't the NFC east where these guys beat up on each other all season long...it's the Patriots and then a big step down to everyone else. they have a fast track to the playoffs every year.
Exactly when a team like the giants win the SB in 07 and 11 with records like 10-6 and 9-7 that's very respectable especially beating GB twice in lombeau field, cowboys in 07, 16-0 patriots team, and San Fran last year championship game...
Even though I don't like them that's very impressive!!
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Every division has shitty teams. The 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams this year.
The NFC west won't be any easier this year. Seattle is the real deal, SF and the Rams are coming up.
For the Pats. Miami is below average, the Jets are a fucking mess, the Bills suck donkey balls.
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Every division has shitty teams. The 49ers were 0-1-1 against the Rams this year.
Dude, you have to admit that even so, the AFC east has had the highest per capita rate of shittiness over the longest period of time. It's been almost a decade.
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Billy Kilmer.
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Whores usually dont have opinions of their own, they usually repeat what they hear like parrots , Welker must of talked bout Ray Ray criminal past at home in multiple occasions
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hahahaha...well said.....she's not that intelligent to say the least
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Dude, you have to admit that even so, the AFC east has had the highest per capita rate of shittiness over the longest period of time. It's been almost a decade.
Agree. Since the Bills franchise fell off a cliff after the early to mid 90's, that division has been sub-par.
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Agree. Since the Bills franchise fell off a cliff after the early to mid 90's, that division has been sub-par.
Yeah, and it's not even a big rip on the Pats, but that division may be a game or 2 difference depending on the year, and that's the difference between just getting to the post season, and getting the coveted first round bye.
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Yeah, and it's not even a big rip on the Pats, but that division may be a game or 2 difference depending on the year, and that's the difference between just getting to the post season, and getting the coveted first round bye.
And dont forget that killer AFC west!
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And dont forget that killer AFC west!
The Atlanta Braves won their division 2,314 years in a row, and only one championship.
Coffee is for Super Bowl winners (and closers).
;D
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The Jets, Bills and Dolphins are for the most part inept franchises that rarely put a winner on the field. they have their moments...but the AFC east sure isn't the NFC east where these guys beat up on each other all season long...it's the Patriots and then a big step down to everyone else. they have a fast track to the playoffs every year.
X2.
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Had Lee Evans held the ball for another 100th of a second, we'd be talking about the Ravens going back to back.
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The G-mennnn own Brady's soul.....
LT best football player ever, Joe Montana #2.
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The G-mennnn own Brady's soul.....
LT best football player ever, Joe Montana #2.
hahahaaaaaa....I heard Eli Manning has a giant horse cock and fucked Brady's wife and punished her pussy before they met. :D
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Had Lee Evans held the ball for another 100th of a second, we'd be talking about the Ravens going back to back.
Back to back appearances....
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The G-mennnn own Brady's soul.....
LT best football player ever, Joe Montana #2.
Yes clearly.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d826c94b4/SB-XLVI-Sound-FX-Giants-strike-first
Watch the first minute to see how dorky Brady is when he's fired up. The conversation with Welker is so corny it's cringeworthy.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d826c94b4/SB-XLVI-Sound-FX-Giants-strike-first
Watch the first minute to see how dorky Brady is when he's fired up. The conversation with Welker is so corny it's cringeworthy.
Damn, gayer than sharing a rose-scented bubble bath with Marc Almond.
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Bump!
Tom Brady reminding me of an old thread.
A lot of strong opinions by Palpatine Convict in this thread.
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This game is over.
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Jerry Rice. NO ONE in his position was as dominant and holds more records.
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Tom should have a completely flat deflated football ready to hand roger goodell when he hands him the super bowl trophy on national tv
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Aikman
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Brady isn't even the best QB to ever play, let alone the best player ever.
He is the best homosexual player ever by quite a bit though.
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Brady isn't even the best QB to ever play, let alone the best player ever.
He is the best homosexual player ever by quite a bit though.
Hi payton
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Sweetness
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Probably is the best player ever. QB is the most important position in football. Best player ever has to be a QB.
I hate Brady but all he does is win and win and win year after year. Efficient, great under pressure, doesn't need superstar players around him to be successful.
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I used to have a couple set of rooses , comfortable
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Sweetness
Best ever, and earned every yard, dude never had a line his entire career, Brady has all day to throw, every time he drops back he has at least 7 seconds, a lot of the so called greatest all had lines, same goes for Emmit Smith, that Dallas line created giant holes for him to run through, he might have broke Walters record, but no way was he better then Payton.
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Best ever, and earned every yard, dude never had a line his entire career, Brady has all day to throw, every time he drops back he has at least 7 seconds, a lot of the so called greatest all had lines, same goes for Emmit Smith, that Dallas line created giant holes for him to run through, he might have broke Walters record, but no way was he better then Payton.
A little too young to fully appreciate his greatness.
Grew up with Emmitt, Barry Sanders, Thurman, Okoye, Bo.
But if you watch some old youtube clips of when 34 had the ball, man that guy was magic.
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Best ever, and earned every yard, dude never had a line his entire career, Brady has all day to throw, every time he drops back he has at least 7 seconds, a lot of the so called greatest all had lines, same goes for Emmit Smith, that Dallas line created giant holes for him to run through, he might have broke Walters record, but no way was he better then Payton.
7 sb appearances for him, broken pretty much every record, Brady is the best to ever do it. Plus he was picked in the 6th round
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He made a historically shitty team a dynasty
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You guys got something against defensive players being the best?
agreed
ray lewis is the best modern era defensive player
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A little too young to fully appreciate his greatness.
Grew up with Emmitt, Barry Sanders, Thurman, Okoye, Bo.
But if you watch some old youtube clips of when 34 had the ball, man that guy was magic.
Me as well, Walter was before my time, but his stats are undisputed, watch any special on Walter or the 85 Bears, you'll see just how great he was, most complete running back ever. I will say if Barry Sanders had Emmitt Smith's line, he would be the best all time, he could have surpassed Walter.
7 sb appearances for him, broken pretty much every record, Brady is the best to ever do it. Plus he was picked in the 6th round
Dude you could put Teebow in there and he could have taken them to the SB all these years, not saying he's not great, but no way the greatest.
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7 sb appearances for him, broken pretty much every record, Brady is the best to ever do it. Plus he was picked in the 6th round
By pure stats alone, he is probably the greatest. But I guess if you look beyond stats, there is a lot that goes into determining who is the best ever.
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A little too young to fully appreciate his greatness.
Grew up with Emmitt, Barry Sanders, Thurman, Okoye, Bo.
But if you watch some old youtube clips of when 34 had the ball, man that guy was magic.
This x2.
I forgot all about Okoye.even thurman thomas.
Emmit is probably my all-time favorite.
Was a huge Charles Haley fan as well. I remember play Iing madden 92-96? And having 130+ sacks with Haley on my Sega Genesis. Lol.
Played strong safety, so I was kinda partial to guys like Darren woodson & john lynch (even got to train with john lynch back in like '98 or '99, i forget)
Also Brock marion,& of course Dion... Ken Norton, even russle maryland. (Was never a rod woodson fan... I did like Rodney Harrington though, even though he played for New England... And I hate New England)
.. And of course moose johnston,& mike alatott from the bucs. I think derrick brooks was my fav LB aside from norton, and warren Sapp fav lineman aside from haley... Zach Thomas from miami (&.spikes from the bills n of course N.Y.'s LT goes w/onsaying, sameness Singletary)...and I can't remember the other dude from miami either a tightend or a a fb with enormous hands.. Would catch everything ...parmalee maybe?)
Take back the LB pick of Norton, I gotta go with Greg Lloyd from the steelers. I'd place him on par with L.T. (even though im a Cowboy fan, obviously, &, hwbcw hate the Steelers.).... Kev Greene as well and of course Harrison.
.........I'm getting off track going off on tangents. Running down memory lane.
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7 sb appearances for him, broken pretty much every record, Brady is the best to ever do it. Plus he was picked in the 6th round
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Me as well, Walter was before my time, but his stats are undisputed, watch any special on Walter or the 85 Bears, you'll see just how great he was, most complete running back ever. I will say if Barry Sanders had Emmitt Smith's line, he would be the best all time, he could have surpassed Walter.Dude you could put Teebow in there and he could have taken them to the SB all these years, not saying he's not great, but no way the greatest.
Stupidest comment ever, "you could put Tebow in there" ::)
Guess what the patriots did have tebow and then cut him...
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By pure stats alone, he is probably the greatest. But I guess if you look beyond stats, there is a lot that goes into determining who is the best ever.
Let's see, he has the stats, the wins/championships/play offs, pretty much everything, so he is the BEST
Only time he had a truly elite WR was Moss and that yr he threw 50 td's and Moss set the record of 22 or 23 tds
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Let's see, he has the stats, the wins/championships/play offs, pretty much everything, so he is the BEST
Only time he had a truly elite WR was Moss and that yr he threw 50 td's and Moss set the record of 22 or 23 tds
I agree, I think he is the greatest QB ever.
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Stupidest comment ever, "you could put Tebow in there" ::)
Guess what the patriots did have tebow and then cut him...
They didn't play him, they didn't need him, my point is you can put any QB with talent and they would be able to take them to the SB, if Steve Young, Montana, Marino...had that much time to throw, their stats would be astronomical.
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Stupidest comment ever, "you could put Tebow in there" ::)
Guess what the patriots did have tebow and then cut him...
90's cowboys had the best O-line ever.
Never was a big fan of Barry. I remember ESPN doing some sorta story on him and showing xrays or MRI's of his ankles, which were developed(or whatever the term wad/is) differently than most ppl. Citingbthat as a contributing factor to his ability to cut back on a dime. I should Google that.
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Tom is the greatest QB of all time. Even better than Montana.
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Tom is the greatest QB of all time. Even better than Montana.
Blasphemy!! Lol
Far as QBs go, I'd rank;
#1 Montana
#2 Aikman
#3Marino
& #4 maybe Brady or Farve
.... And #99 that fucking bum Romo, just below Vick
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Marino doesn't hang with that list. You have to win the big one. Yeah I know highlight reels, etc. but get real.
Brady wins this one he's up there with Montana no doubt.
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Best ever, and earned every yard, dude never had a line his entire career, Brady has all day to throw, every time he drops back he has at least 7 seconds, a lot of the so called greatest all had lines, same goes for Emmit Smith, that Dallas line created giant holes for him to run through, he might have broke Walters record, but no way was he better then Payton.
If you use that criteria, then Jim Brown or Barry Sanders would be the greatest running back of all time.
I don't want to diminish Payton's accomplishments, but for "best of all time" I feel Rice and Brady were more dominant in their respective positions against their peers.
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They didn't play him, they didn't need him, my point is you can put any QB with talent and they would be able to take them to the SB, if Steve Young, Montana, Marino...had that much time to throw, their stats would be astronomical.
Your arguments are the same as any joe blow, "ifs" and "buts" lame, try a different angle
Ok buddy, "put any qb with talent" so now u are saying with "talent"
Shows u know nothing the min u said "put tebow in there"
That's why it's a team sport, u need a team back there, every single elite players had help
U don't just go to 7 sb's with anyone back there
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Best ever, and earned every yard, dude never had a line his entire career, Brady has all day to throw, every time he drops back he has at least 7 seconds, a lot of the so called greatest all had lines, same goes for Emmit Smith, that Dallas line created giant holes for him to run through, he might have broke Walters record, but no way was he better then Payton.
Yes emmitt had one of the best O-line but in his 15 yr career he only rushed less than 1000 yards his final 3 seasons 02/03/04 and it was still in the 900 yards
So u are saying he had a dominant O line for 15 yrs even through AZ??
How many RB's played as long as emmitt with his health? He's the dexter Jackson of football for a rb
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Marino doesn't hang with that list. You have to win the big one. Yeah I know highlight reels, etc. but get real.
Brady wins this one he's up there with Montana no doubt.
But Marino made due with what he had... And threw loooooong bombs that were accurate.
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Not really.
Best football player ever is Lionel Messi.
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Brady is one of the alltime greats. Its his mind and work ethic...
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Brady is one of the alltime greats. Its his mind and work ethic...
... And their dbag coach.
If I was a head coach and my team lost to their team and I went to shake Bill's hand and he blows me off, I'd punch him Square in the fuxking mouth on live TV... Andvstsrtca gonfundme thing to pay all head coaches fines for every time they punched bill in the mouth.
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Brady is one of the alltime greats. Its his mind and work ethic...
He's arguably the GOAT now. If he wins another SB, even the haters couldn't disagree.
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He's arguably the GOAT now. If he wins another SB, even the haters couldn't disagree.
They were winning without him.
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He's pretty fucking good.
X2. Second to none
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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This x2.
I forgot all about Okoye.even thurman thomas.
Emmit is probably my all-time favorite.
Was a huge Charles Haley fan as well. I remember play Iing madden 92-96? And having 130+ sacks with Haley on my Sega Genesis. Lol.
Played strong safety, so I was kinda partial to guys like Darren woodson & john lynch (even got to train with john lynch back in like '98 or '99, i forget)
Also Brock marion,& of course Dion... Ken Norton, even russle maryland. (Was never a rod woodson fan... I did like Rodney Harrington though, even though he played for New England... And I hate New England)
.. And of course moose johnston,& mike alatott from the bucs. I think derrick brooks was my fav LB aside from norton, and warren Sapp fav lineman aside from haley... Zach Thomas from miami (&.spikes from the bills n of course N.Y.'s LT goes w/onsaying, sameness Singletary)...and I can't remember the other dude from miami either a tightend or a a fb with enormous hands.. Would catch everything ...parmalee maybe?)
Take back the LB pick of Norton, I gotta go with Greg Lloyd from the steelers. I'd place him on par with L.T. (even though im a Cowboy fan, obviously, &, hwbcw hate the Steelers.).... Kev Greene as well and of course Harrison.
.........I'm getting off track going off on tangents. Running down memory lane.
One of the best defensive backfields ever - Woodson, Marion, Deion, Kevin Smith(although i think he got injured that year), Larry Brown(Super Bowl MVP), Bill Bates.
Darren Woodson should be in The Hall of Fame, no question.
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They were winning without him.
Yep, every quarterback they have put in has done well and the team has always done well with or without him.
Maybe he is but unfortunately the above is the case. I certainly don't think so.
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Correct. They have won plenty of Super Bowl's without him. Errrr?
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Greatest QB ever, no doubt about it at this point. He'll beat Atlanta. Best football player though? It's debatable. There's about ten in the "modern era" that could be put in that argument.
Ray Lewis
Jerry Rice
Ed Reed
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss
Emmitt Smith
Barry Sanders
I'm sure there are some more if I thought about it.
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Correct. They have won plenty of Super Bowl's without him. Errrr?
Nope, but every other quarterback put in that is average/slightly below average has won for them. Brady has not won the superbowl every single year, so you expected Cassell to win it playing one year as the starter? Point being, those other quarterbacks have been mediocre and still they win so add a good/great quarterback (Brady) and they win more, but that doesn't point to him to necessarily being the greatest. That's the issue. He was also awful as a quarterback in their first superbowl and mediocre in several others.
He is given too much credit for what the coaching staff has done. No denying that they are a great combo, but I definitely do not see him as being the greatest just because of Super Bowls.
We are not going to agree obviously but I think the argument can be made.
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Greatest QB ever, no doubt about it at this point. He'll beat Atlanta. Best football player though? It's debatable. There's about ten in the "modern era" that could be put in that argument.
Ray Lewis
Jerry Rice
Ed Reed
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss
Emmitt Smith
Barry Sanders
I'm sure there are some more if I thought about it.
Glad you put Ed Reed in there.
Randy Moss is kind of like the Griffey Jr. of football to me (different reasons but same outcome). When at their best they were the best that I've seen, but Randy slacked off a lot and that affected his stats/longevity of greatness. Griffey had injuries.
I would put Adrian Peterson in there as well. He and Sanders have probably been the two best runningbacks that I remember clearly in my time.
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Greatest QB ever, no doubt about it at this point. He'll beat Atlanta. Best football player though? It's debatable. There's about ten in the "modern era" that could be put in that argument.
Ray Lewis
Jerry Rice
Ed Reed
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss
Emmitt Smith
Barry Sanders
I'm sure there are some more if I thought about it.
Ray Lewis over Dick Butkus?
Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott?
Deion Sanders over Charles Woodson and Kenny Easely?
Emmitt Smith?
Wow, I guess everyone has their favorites
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Nope, but every other quarterback put in that is average/slightly below average has won for them. Brady has not won the superbowl every single year, so you expected Cassell to win it playing one year as the starter? Point being, those other quarterbacks have been mediocre and still they win so add a good/great quarterback (Brady) and they win more, but that doesn't point to him to necessarily being the greatest. That's the issue. He was also awful as a quarterback in their first superbowl and mediocre in several others.
He is given too much credit for what the coaching staff has done. No denying that they are a great combo, but I definitely do not see him as being the greatest just because of Super Bowls.
We are not going to agree obviously but I think the argument can be made.
Exactly, this was my point, with a line like that you can put any decent Qb in there and they will win, look what Jimmy Garoppolo did in the beginning of the season.
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Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott?
Wow, I guess everyone has their favorites
I looooove Ed Reed. That guy was awesome.
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Exactly, this was my point, with a line like that you can put any decent Qb in there and they will win, look what Jimmy Garoppolo did in the beginning of the season.
Ask the Denver Broncos how that worked for them.
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Glad you put Ed Reed in there.
Randy Moss is kind of like the Griffey Jr. of football to me (different reasons but same outcome). When at their best they were the best that I've seen, but Randy slacked off a lot and that affected his stats/longevity of greatness. Griffey had injuries.
I would put Adrian Peterson in there as well. He and Sanders have probably been the two best runningbacks that I remember clearly in my time.
Having seen both, I don't think Adrian Peterson was better than Eric Dickerson in their respective primes.
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But Marino made due with what he had... And threw loooooong bombs that were accurate.
Like I said lots of highlights but no rings. The Dominique Wilkins of the NFL.
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Ray Lewis over Dick Butkus over LT?
Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott?
Deion Sanders over Charles Woodson and Kenny Easely?
Emmitt Smith?
Wow, I guess everyone has their favorites
Fixed.
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Fixed.
I could see LT as the greatest outside linebacker of all time.
He was the single most dominant defensive player of that generation, same way Earl Campbell was the most dominant offensive player on the field when he was healthy
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Nope, but every other quarterback put in that is average/slightly below average has won for them. Brady has not won the superbowl every single year, so you expected Cassell to win it playing one year as the starter? Point being, those other quarterbacks have been mediocre and still they win so add a good/great quarterback (Brady) and they win more, but that doesn't point to him to necessarily being the greatest. That's the issue. He was also awful as a quarterback in their first superbowl and mediocre in several others.
He is given too much credit for what the coaching staff has done. No denying that they are a great combo, but I definitely do not see him as being the greatest just because of Super Bowls.
We are not going to agree obviously but I think the argument can be made.
Cassel went 11-5 and missed the playoffs...the team was 16-0 the previous year.
Lawrence Taylor was the most dominant defensive player I've ever seen.
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The team started 3-1 with a third string QB. Not like they needed him. Plus they're cheating with Mics in the WO helmets. Watch games and see how Brady will throw it with the receivers backs turned and then at the last moment they turn around to catch the ball. Either their have eyes in the back of their helmets or someone is telling them to turn around. It happens way too often during games.
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The team started 3-1 with a third string QB. Not like they needed him. Plus they're cheating with Mics in the WO helmets. Watch games and see how Brady will throw it with the receivers backs turned and then at the last moment they turn around to catch the ball. Either their have eyes in the back of their helmets or someone is telling them to turn around. It happens way too often during games.
You mean some NFL quarterbacks can throw to receivers running timing patterns? What a cheater! ::)
You do know they practice all week before games right.
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You mean some NFL quarterbacks can throw to receivers running timing patterns? What a cheater! ::)
You do know they practice all week before games right.
Nah. there are times when he is focused on one receiver and has to change. It's not a set route.
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Nah. there are times when he is focused on one receiver and has to change. It's not a set route.
I can't tell if you're serious...
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Ray Lewis over Dick Butkus?
Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott?
Deion Sanders over Charles Woodson and Kenny Easely?
Emmitt Smith?
Wow, I guess everyone has their favorites
Yes
Yes
Maybe
Yes
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i'd say no
it's easy to complete passes when the receivers are as wide open as they were against the steelers
the pats backup quarterbacks have won most games when he didn't play, so that hurts his case as the best ever
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i'd say no
it's easy to complete passes when the receivers are as wide open as they were against the steelers
the pats backup quarterbacks have won most games when he didn't play, so that hurts his case as the best ever
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The 49ers won with Steve Young, does that mean Montana wasn't that good?
Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Kansas City Chiefs and made the pro bowl but only won 11 with one of the greatest rosters in NFL history (2007 Patriots).
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The 49ers won with Steve Young, does that mean Montana wasn't that good?
Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Kansas City Chiefs and made the pro bowl but only won 11 with one of the greatest rosters in NFL history (2007 Patriots).
never said he wasn't that good, i said he's not the best ever
i think both montana and young were great but they were successful because of the team around them, you could argue dan marino was better but he didn't have the team they had
jerry rice might be the best football player ever
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Tom Brady is the best Qb ever. Rice is the best overall player ever imo.
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never said he wasn't that good, i said he's not the best ever
i think both montana and young were great but they were successful because of the team around them, you could argue dan marino was better but he didn't have the team they had
jerry rice might be the best football player ever
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I'm not saying the best ever either, it's too arbitrary. I just wouldn't discredit a guy because someone else played well in his absence.
Aside from Gronk and Moss (2 years), no great quarterback has made short white receivers look better.
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Tom Brady is the best Qb ever. Rice is the best overall player ever imo.
LT
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Exactly, this was my point, with a line like that you can put any decent Qb in there and they will win, look what Jimmy Garoppolo did in the beginning of the season.
How did that work out for the cowboys last season, they have the best O line in the league yet they had Cassell, weeden, and another 3rd string, and didn't do jack shit..
This yr they put mark Sanchez in there and he didn't do shit either
That whole saying u can put anyone back there is BS
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One of the best defensive backfields ever - Woodson, Marion, Deion, Kevin Smith(although i think he got injured that year), Larry Brown(Super Bowl MVP), Bill Bates.
Darren Woodson should be in The Hall of Fame, no question.
I forgot all about bates! Wtf... Liked larry brown as well. I was a def-backfield guy, so most my fav players were/are safeties and cornerbacks... And some outside linebackers. I was a huge fan of Dion as well, which kind of surprises me because if you played today I would likein him too the Kanye West of the NFL LOL.
I'm more of a fan of to Smash Mouth type defensive players life Lynch,Woodson, and Romanowski (hence my fractured c6 and degenerated c5-c6 &c6-c7 lol)
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The 49ers won with Steve Young, does that mean Montana wasn't that good?
Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Kansas City Chiefs and made the pro bowl but only won 11 with one of the greatest rosters in NFL history (2007 Patriots).
Interesting number to look at in 2008 when Cassel took over for an injured Brady. Cassel took 47 sacks that year. In all the years after he never came close to that number. Bill Belichick told him to hold on to the ball and take the sack if you have to. Do not throw the ball up for grabs. That and the fact that they basically had the 2007 roster is why Cassel got to 11 wins. Taking that many sacks help keep his INT rate down.
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Cassel went 11-5 and missed the playoffs...the team was 16-0 the previous year.
Lawrence Taylor was the most dominant defensive player I've ever seen.
LT more dominant than Reggie White in his prime?
Anybody picking Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott or Darrell Green at DB just doesn't know football
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LT more dominant than Reggie White in his prime?
Anybody picking Ed Reed over Ronnie Lott or Darrell Green at DB just doesn't know football
Obviously both great players but IMO LT could take over games from the defensive side of the ball.
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Obviously both great players but IMO LT could take over games from the defensive side of the ball.
LT was the most dominant defensive player man on man that I remember.
On offense, with all respect to Jerry Rice and Anthony Munoz, I still think Brady is doing something we won't ever see again.
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LT
No way. Rice has records that'll never ever be touched.
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Tom Brady bitches! Tom Brady. The best ever QB and Belichick is the best football coach of all time. Better than Walsh, that Green Bay guy ;D, Jimmy Johnson and everyone else.
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You mean some NFL quarterbacks can throw to receivers running timing patterns? What a cheater! ::)
You do know they practice all week before games right.
Thanks for this, so I didn't have to respond to his statement.
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Plus, can we really say Brady is better than Unitas or Staubauch? I mean, with the advent of technology, science and medicine, we are creating living robots on the field. With so many advances, it makes sense that the guys of today will look far superior to the guys of the 1950's.
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Yogi Berra says Fuck You
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Plus, can we really say Brady is better than Unitas or Staubauch? I mean, with the advent of technology, science and medicine, we are creating living robots on the field. With so many advances, it makes sense that the guys of today will look far superior to the guys of the 1950's.
The thing with Brady is that he totally let Bill run the show. Never once called him out or bitched in public about play calling etc. I don't think in the history of the game any other elite QB would do that. Brady did and it payed off in spades. Remember Dan Marino. Some say if he had Bill B he would have won blah blah blah. Marino had one of the all time great coaches and wouldn't listen to him. He just wanted to the throw the ball all the time. History now tells us he was a major asshole who played all coked up. No way he could have lasted under Bill B. I don't think Peyton Manning would have lasted under Bill B. During the Colts run it was always Peyton's team. He had a pacifist coach had basically just let Peyton do his thing and run things. Peyton finally got another ring with Denver because he knew his arm was junk and just sat back and did what he was told. Prime Peyton wouldn't have been able to do that. Aaron Rodgers wouldn't last under Bill. Rodgers isn't a sceme guy at all and basically just plays by the seat of his pants like Farve did but without the INT's. Constantly throwing off his back foot. No way he would be able to last under Bill B. Brady being a 6th round pick probably has alot to do with him just listening to his coach and being the best fundamental and technical QB that's ever played the game.
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I forgot all about bates! Wtf... Liked larry brown as well. I was a def-backfield guy, so most my fav players were/are safeties and cornerbacks... And some outside linebackers. I was a huge fan of Dion as well, which kind of surprises me because if you played today I would likein him too the Kanye West of the NFL LOL.
I'm more of a fan of to Smash Mouth type defensive players life Lynch,Woodson, and Romanowski (hence my fractured c6 and degenerated c5-c6 &c6-c7 lol)
Hey remember Erik Williams before his car crash?
Like back whenever he used to manhandle Reggie White??
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I cant recall the last time brady threw to a black WR
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No way. Rice has records that'll never ever be touched.
I met Ronnie Lot about 10 years ago at a SuperBowl function. We were shooting the shit and I asked him this question. "who was the best player you ever had to go against" His answer was "Jerry Rice". I laughed and said "you were on the some team" He replied "Rice brought it to practice harder than any opposing player ever did during a real game"
Rice was a true baller.
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The team started 3-1 with a third string QB. Not like they needed him. Plus they're cheating with Mics in the WO helmets. Watch games and see how Brady will throw it with the receivers backs turned and then at the last moment they turn around to catch the ball. Either their have eyes in the back of their helmets or someone is telling them to turn around. It happens way too often during games.
Dude do you have any idea how much practice this would require to get their reactions in sync with an audible command? Or to have a coach whos that accurate with his timingto communicate when to turn around?
Its possible in theory but with the amount of wide outs cut someone would have talked.
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I cant recall the last time brady threw to a black WR
Randy Moss?
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The Pittsburgh Steelers QB says he may not return next season.
"I'm going to take this offseason to evaluate, to consider all options," Roethlisberger said. "To consider health, and family and things like that and just kind of take some time away to evaluate next season, if there's going to be a next season."
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The Pittsburgh Steelers QB says he may not return next season.
"I'm going to take this offseason to evaluate, to consider all options," Roethlisberger said. "To consider health, and family and things like that and just kind of take some time away to evaluate next season, if there's going to be a next season."
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Troy Zuccolato looking very off season.
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I met Ronnie Lot about 10 years ago at a SuperBowl function. We were shooting the shit and I asked him this question. "who was the best player you ever had to go against" His answer was "Jerry Rice". I laughed and said "you were on the some team" He replied "Rice brought it to practice harder than any opposing player ever did during a real game"
Rice was a true baller.
Shit... I left out Ronnie Lott in my list. How the fuckndid that happen? As a kid I always remembered an interview or quote of his saying "you don't tackle/hit the player in front of you, you hit the guy as if he's 3 yards behind him" or however it was worded...
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The Pittsburgh Steelers QB says he may not return next season.
"I'm going to take this offseason to evaluate, to consider all options," Roethlisberger said. "To consider health, and family and things like that and just kind of take some time away to evaluate next season, if there's going to be a next season."
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Seeing him on the sidelines during the Pats game I said to myself "WTF Ben. Try mixing in a salad or two"...The guy is way too heavy. Great player but damn, trim the fuck down and maybe you wouldn't be thinking of retiring at 35...
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you can't be the best player ever when you lose not once, but twice, to the "other' manning in the super bowl
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i hope ben does retire, always was overrated and if he's thinking about retiring it's time to go
you won't be at your best if you're thinking about quitting
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you can't be the best player ever when you lose not once, but twice, to the "other' manning
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Eli's got the most punchable faceinhave ever seen... Donald trumps son, the blond one (the adult, not the kid who i thought was his grandson) is a distant 2nd, w/Kanye & floyd may weather rounding out the top 4
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being a steeler fan,going in knew after the kicker won the game a week before that the big 3 needed to have a stellar game and it did not happen.bell basically ran out of gas after a great run,ben is my fav on the team and had a best he could do game ,couldn't get to them'pats...
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Fat overrated prick.
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Very surprising that Brady and Montana are mentioned so often as best QBs ever and not many, if any, mentions of Elway and Favre
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Very surprising that Brady and Montana are mentioned so often as best QBs ever and not many, if any, mentions of Elway and Favre
I mentioned farve.I always thought elway was too unpredictable / inconsistent... Probably had a little bit to do with me watching him blow the Superbowl when you played when he had the flu when I was probably like 6 or 7 or 8 years old or whatever. LOL
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Very surprising that Brady and Montana are mentioned so often as best QBs ever and not many, if any, mentions of Elway and Favre
my take is are you taking stats or wins/superbowls/passing rating,,,favre has eclipsed all passing records/Elway had good #'s too,,,brady and Montana were accurate enough and won a lot of games and big games.brady has very good career numbers to...marino was the greatest in terms of yards/tds all time until manning/favre came along..
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I'm so glad I'm not into sports...unless you consider midget gladiator fighting a sport.
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Eli's got the most punchable faceinhave ever seen... Donald trumps son, the blond one (the adult, not the kid who i thought was his grandson) is a distant 2nd, w/Kanye & floyd may weather rounding out the top 4
I see your Eli and raise you a Grayson Allen
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I see your Eli and raise you a Grayson Allen
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I think many a duke player has had this look....
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I see your Eli and raise you a Grayson Allen
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I will see your Grayson Allen and raise you a Patton Oswalt
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I will see your Grayson Allen and raise you a Patton Oswalt
THATS NOT PATTON OSWALT..
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Very surprising that Brady and Montana are mentioned so often as best QBs ever and not many, if any, mentions of Elway and Favre
Elway absolutely. Favre not a chance
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The Pittsburgh Steelers QB says he may not return next season.
"I'm going to take this offseason to evaluate, to consider all options," Roethlisberger said. "To consider health, and family and things like that and just kind of take some time away to evaluate next season, if there's going to be a next season."
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He won't retire because he would have to pay back about 18m to the team.
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i hope ben does retire, always was overrated and if he's thinking about retiring it's time to go
you won't be at your best if you're thinking about quitting
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If Ben retires, Tomlin is toast. Ben's carried that team for years...
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Elway absolutely. Favre not a chance
Brady #1 (wins too much, 10 plus wins every year, always in contention for the Super Bowl)
Manning is #2 (ni66a took 2 different teams to 4 Superbowls with 4 different head coaches, owns all the important passing records)
Montana #3 (The right coach, the right system and the right supporting cast at the right time)
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i hope ben does retire, always was overrated and if he's thinking about retiring it's time to go
you won't be at your best if you're thinking about quitting
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I understood that he needs to pay 18M$ back to the Steelers if he quits?
That is a lot of praying...
( Ben said that he needs to think and pray on the subject )
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If Ben retires, Tomlin is toast. Ben's carried that team for years...
And the bengals prob still can't win the division
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He won't retire because he would have to pay back about 18m to the team.
This and he has 3 years left on his deal paying close to $20 million per year. A lot of cheese to walk away from.
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If Ben retires, Tomlin is toast. Ben's carried that team for years...
carried them where? the steelers won super bowls when the defense was great, when the defense sucked ben couldn't get them to the playoffs
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carried them where? the steelers won super bowls when the defense was great, when the defense sucked ben couldn't get them to the playoffs
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Plus apparently it's against NFL policy to fire black coaches. Just ask Marvin Lewis.
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Plus apparently it's against NFL policy to fire black coaches. Just ask Marvin Lewis.
If he coached any other team he'd have been long gone.
Mike Brown, Bengals owner, is notoriously cheap. He'd never fire a coach under contract.
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Bump
The GOAT.
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Giselle bouncing up and down celebrating had me harder than Basile at a Boy Scout swim meet.
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Lets not forget , both losses to the giants tom brady took put them in the lead with a min or 2 left in the game and in both game the defense could not hold the giants.
There is no greater qb ever that stepped on the grid iron , 4 game suspension, only big reciever was his TE and got hurt, won superbowl with 3 small white WRs
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Lets not forget , both losses to the giants tom brady took put them in the lead with a min or 2 left in the game and in both game the defense could not hold the giants.
There is no greater qb ever that stepped on the grid iron , 4 game suspension, only big reciever was his TE and got hurt, won superbowl with 3 small white WRs
Agreed.
The NFL should have let Trump hand out the championship trophy!!!!!
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Giselle bouncing up and down celebrating had me harder than Basile at a Boy Scout swim meet.
That was a great site.
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Agreed.
The NFL should have let Trump hand out the championship trophy!!!!!
That would have been awesome
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That was a great site.
Man, you must really like Basile. :-X
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That was a great site.
Which one, me being hard, Giselle's titties bouncing, or Basile at the kiddie pool?
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Which one, me being hard, Giselle's titties bouncing, or Basile at the kiddie pool?
I would have to go with Giselle jumping abilities.
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The Patriots visiting the White House is going to be epic.
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So, the pats came back and win this game after being down 25 points going into 3rd quarter......it's easy to say that the Atlanta falcons suffer the worst meltdown in superbowl history.....the coaching staff will have to answer those questionable play calling.....how the fuck you lose a football game after leading by 25 points going into the 3rd quarter?
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The legend that is tom brady is to great for a falcon team
So, the pats came back and win this game after being down 25 points going into 3rd quarter......it's easy to say that the Atlanta falcons suffer the worst meltdown in superbowl history.....the coaching staff will have to answer those questionable play calling.....how the fuck you lose a football game after leading by 25 points going into the 3rd quarter?
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Boston MA here.
Pretty comfy n happy.
sikkkkk
If I had a grilfriend Id be banging her hard now.
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So, the pats came back and win this game after being down 25 points going into 3rd quarter......it's easy to say that the Atlanta falcons suffer the worst meltdown in superbowl history.....the coaching staff will have to answer those questionable play calling.....how the fuck you lose a football game after leading by 25 points going into the 3rd quarter?
By going up against Brady and Belichick ;D ;D ;D
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By going up against Brady and Belichick ;D ;D ;D
lol....I think this lost is worst than seattle deciding not run the ball inside the one yard line and decided to pass the it instead.....
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I cant recall the last time brady threw to a black WR
Rookie Malcolm Mitchell made some great catches.
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By going up against Brady and Belichick ;D ;D ;D
Yes, it is definitely worse. Freaking blow a 28-3 lead......lol
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Can't argue with that performance yesterday. Who the fuck is James white with 14 catches and 3 TDs?
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Undisputed. The greatest quarterback ever. I'm not even a Patriots fan but how can you contest this?
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i dont see how any of you retards on here can debate if he is the best of all time
he has won more playoff games than anyon quater back in history, played in more super bowls than any quater back, and won more super bowls.
when you consider the moder era with a salary cap and free agency, what he and bill have done will probably never be done again, or it will be a very fucking long time.
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i dont see how any of you retards on here can debate if he is the best of all time
he has won more playoff games than anyon quater back in history, played in more super bowls than any quater back, and won more super bowls.
when you consider the moder era with a salary cap and free agency, what he and bill have done will probably never be done again, or it will be a very fucking long time.
Consider this. The only receiver he's had that's HoF worthy is Randy Moss and he only had him the season they didn't win the SuperBowl. Gronk might be the other and he won the last two with Gronk not being there. In the end Brady might be the only HoF on the Pats that came out of the Superbowls. Crazy to think about. Plus the Patriots got rid of Collins who was probably their best defensive player earlier this season. WTF! I think people argue with him being the greatest because what he's done is surreal and hard to judge or even understand.
It makes me want to vomit even saying these positive things about him but it is what it is.
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The Patriots visiting the White House is going to be epic.
Roger G must have been like "Fuck i have to stand up here and him them this damn trophy!"
:D
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They still didn't cover the spread ;)
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Can't argue with that performance yesterday. Who the fuck is James white with 14 catches and 3 TDs?
Just another Patriot RB
Roger G must have been like "Fuck i have to stand up here and him them this damn trophy!"
:D
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Consider this. The only receiver he's had that's HoF worthy is Randy Moss and he only had him the season they didn't win the SuperBowl. Gronk might be the other and he won the last two with Gronk not being there. In the end Brady might be the only HoF on the Pats that came out of the Superbowls. Crazy to think about. Plus the Patriots got rid of Collins who was probably their best defensive player earlier this season. WTF! I think people argue with him being the greatest because what he's done is surreal and hard to judge or even understand.
It makes me want to vomit even saying these positive things about him but it is what it is.
exactly , i would argue at elway being number 2, kurt warner i always liked and was a beast in the playoffs
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Consider this. The only receiver he's had that's HoF worthy is Randy Moss and he only had him the season they didn't win the SuperBowl. Gronk might be the other and he won the last two with Gronk not being there. In the end Brady might be the only HoF on the Pats that came out of the Superbowls. Crazy to think about. Plus the Patriots got rid of Collins who was probably their best defensive player earlier this season. WTF! I think people argue with him being the greatest because what he's done is surreal and hard to judge or even understand.
It makes me want to vomit even saying these positive things about him but it is what it is.
Gronk played the last one they won against Seattle
Where's go4it?? That idiot said many qbs are better than Brady and that u could put anyone back there and have the same success ::) fucking moron that midget is
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Gronk played the last one they won against Seattle
Where's go4it?? That idiot said many qbs are better than Brady and that u could put anyone back there and have the same success ::) fucking moron that midget is
Heres a list of records the Patriots broke: They just keep getting longer.
Most Games 7, Tom Brady
Most Games, Head Coach 7, Bill Belichick
Most Games Won, Head Coach 5, Bill Belichick
Most Points, Game 20, James White
Most Passes, Career 309, Tom Brady
Most Passes, Game 62, Tom Brady
Most Completions, Career 207, Tom Brady
Most Completions, Game 43, Tom Brady
Most Passing Yards, Career 2071, Tom Brady
Most Passing Yards, Game 466, Tom Brady
Most Touchdown Passes, Career 15, Tom Brady
Most Receptions, Game 14, James White
Most Games, Team 9, New England
Largest Deficit Overcome, Winning Team 25 Points, New England (Previously 10)
Most Points, Overtime Period 6, New England
Most First Downs, Game, Team 37, New England
Most First Downs Passing, Game, Team 26, New England
Most Offensive Plays, Game, Team 93, New England
Most Passes, Game, Team 63, New England
Most Completions, Game, Team 43, New England
Most Passing Yards, Game, Team 442
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Brady is a great QB, but in the first half of the game yesterday, the Atlanta defense emasculated him. If they had continued playing they way they did, no one would be talking about Brady today, other than jokingly.
That being said, either NE figured out Atlanta in the second half, Atlanta got tired, or a combination of both. Either way it was an incredible SB. First one ever to go into OT according to the announcers last night.
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Brady is a great QB, but in the first half of the game yesterday, the Atlanta defense emasculated him. If they had continued playing they way they did, no one would be talking about Brady today, other than jokingly.
That being said, either NE figured out Atlanta in the second half, Atlanta got tired, or a combination of both. Either way it was an incredible SB. First one ever to go into OT according to the announcers last night.
brady won, that is all that matters, there is no other quarter back playing now that will even sniff his records, especially in the modern era.
tom brady fucks pussy, mouths, and assholes
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brady won, that is all that matters, there is no other quarter back playing now that will even sniff his records, especially in the modern era.
tom brady fucks pussy, mouths, and assholes
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even terry bradshaw is bowing to him calling him king tom the master and the ruler of the world
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G.O.A.T.
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They still didn't cover the spread ;)
The line was 3, they won by 6.
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even terry bradshaw is bowing to him calling him king tom the master and the ruler of the world
Even all the brews on the NFL channel are conceding Tom and Bill are the best of all time. They keep confusing all the white receivers names.
They all look the same. ;D
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Even all the brews on the NFL channel are conceding Tom and Bill are the best of all time. They keep confusing all the white receivers names.
They all look the same. ;D
Are all the whites Belichecks way of saying fuck you to all the loud mouth primadnna ghetto blacks?
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Are all the whites Belichecks way of saying fuck you to all the loud mouth primadnna ghetto blacks?
yes, rumor has it randy moss was hand washing bradys car
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The line was 3, they won by 6.
lol what spread was he talking about?
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yes, rumor has it randy moss was hand washing bradys car
He did give Brady's mom a hug after the game. He has a great family.
http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Randy-Moss-emotionally-embraces-Tom-Bradys-mom-after-Super-Bowl-51150559
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hard to argue against it now
the only possible argument is the entire team from top to bottom seems to be a well oiled machine and if guys go down the next guy steps up and they don't miss a beat, obviously that benefits brady, can't help but think it's because of cheating :P
most teams have injuries and the team as a whole isn't the same, they didn't lose a game without their only other star player gronk, it takes a team to win
at the very least he's had the best career ever, it's pretty surreal
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Not taking away from what NE was able to do, but the last two SB they won, both opposing coaches had the the number one weapon in the NFL at their disposal that, if used, likely wins both.
Seattle: not running Lynch.
Atlanta: Not taking 3 knees, kicking a short FG, and being up by 11 with a few minutes and no TOs for NE.
Sheer stupidity on both.
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Not taking away from what NE was able to do, but the last two SB they won, both opposing coaches had the the number one weapon in the NFL at their disposal that, if used, likely wins both.
Seattle: not running Lynch.
Atlanta: Not taking 3 knees, kicking a short FG, and being up by 11 with a few minutes and no TOs for NE.
Sheer stupidity on both.
Who would take 3 knees to kick a 40 yard field goal?
If Atlanta was playing conservatively Ryan would never thrown that pass to Jones.
Nothing is a given in your scenarios...
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Who would take 3 knees to kick a 40 yard field goal?
If Atlanta was playing conservatively Ryan would never thrown that pass to Jones.
Nothing is a given in your scenarios...
agree. Why take a knee, but why pass? Freeman started the drive with a massive run. Once they got to the 20 they needed to be in clock killing mode. Their defense was tired and just allowed 19 straight points. At that point run, run, run. If they got a first they could have run it down to 2:00, then they could have given No under a minute to score twice. Still be aggressive with the run but kill the clock and either setup a short field goal or hope to get close enough to the endzone for a TD. But passing and getting sacked and a penalty to make it 3 and 33 was retarded.
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Who would take 3 knees to kick a 40 yard field goal?
If Atlanta was playing conservatively Ryan would never thrown that pass to Jones.
Nothing is a given in your scenarios...
Once they get to the 22 yard line, and have the best FG kicker in the league kicking in a dome, you don't risk falling out of FG range. If you don't like the knee scenario, 3 running plays then. They had a 96.6 win prob at that point, pre field goal.
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Why was gronk on the mic at their parade today? Didn't that team prove they don't need his juvenile ass to win?
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Why was gronk on the mic at their parade today? Didn't that team prove they don't need his juvenile ass to win?
Yes..yes they did prove it. :D
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The line was 3, they won by 6.
I saw lines of 6 & 10 the night before.
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I saw lines of 6 & 10 the night before.
Lines of coke don't count.
Seriously though, I don't think the casinos had that. The bookmakers in NE had it at -4.5, and that's inflated because of the region.
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Yes..yes they did prove it. :D
Marty Falcone looking good here.
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1: Tom Brady
2: Jerry Rice
3: Jim Brown
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Lines of coke don't count.
Seriously though, I don't think the casinos had that. The bookmakers in NE had it at -4.5, and that's inflated because of the region.
Not a coke guy. I like mt dew... And painkillers. ;)
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Perhaps.
QB, no question.
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Why was gronk on the mic at their parade today? Didn't that team prove they don't need his juvenile ass to win?
he helped them get that far
cmon now
Gronk is awesome
I hope he rehabs n comes back, many say they will trade him...
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Why was gronk on the mic at their parade today? Didn't that team prove they don't need his juvenile ass to win?
They didn't need him to win but he sure would have made it easier.
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They didn't need him to win but he sure would have made it easier.
Bennet played well but not sure if they will pay him what he wants next season. Would be nice to have them both.
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Tom Brady went up inside Dan Quinn raw and dry, like Trump did to Hillary.
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I'm comfortable saying he's the best QB ever but the best player? I don't think it's possible to get consensus on that one. Much different than say basketball where Jordan reigns supreme.
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I'm comfortable saying he's the best QB ever but the best player? I don't think it's possible to get consensus on that one. Much different than say basketball where Jordan reigns supreme.
Doesn't the best QB have to be the best player? He handles the ball about 3 times as much as the next player.
Also, if we're using the Superbowl win to solidify his #1 standing, would he not be thought of as the best had they lost in overtime? ...what if Amendola was stopped short on the 2 point conversion?
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Doesn't the best QB have to be the best player? He handles the ball about 3 times as much as the next player.
Also, if we're using the Superbowl win to solidify his #1 standing, would he not be thought of as the best had they lost in overtime? ...what if Amendola was stopped short on the 2 point conversion?
What about a guy like Deon Sanders? Not saying he's the greatest player of all time, but he played both sides of the ball and was elite both ways. Just food for thought.
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Montana
Brady
Elway
Marino
payton
sanders (Barry)
Lile Alzaido or however u spell it
rice
taylor
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Montana
Brady
Elway
Marino
payton
sanders (Barry)
Lile Alzaido or however u spell it
rice
taylor
Marino above Lawrence Taylor?
No, never.
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I'm comfortable saying he's the best QB ever but the best player? I don't think it's possible to get consensus on that one. Much different than say basketball where Jordan reigns supreme.
I don't think Brady could run 100 yards without getting winded but yes, he can stand back there and hit targets like no ones business. The guy has gone through about 6 OCs yet still keeps on ticking. How many Wideouts have come and gone and he still keeps going. Crazy seeing how often his lineup changes and still is able to play consistently. Those that think Gronk is amazing have to realize who's throwing to him because without him their offense doesn't skip a beat.
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peyton manning was better than him many years
if brady is the best, manning is at least top 5
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peyton manning was better than him many years
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In the regular season.
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Montana
Brady
Elway
Marino
payton
sanders (Barry)
Lile Alzaido or however u spell it
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taylor
I can not have a debate with someone who thinks Lyle Alzado was anywhere near Lawrence Taylor's level.
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This tom brady has NOTHING on prof soccer players, nothing!
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In the regular season.
he beat brady 3 out of 4 times in the afc championship game
one of them a decade ago being very similar to the pats recent super bowl win, pats had a 21 - 3 lead, colts won i think 38 -35 with brady throwing an interception less than a minute left to clinch the win for the colts
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peyton manning was better than him many years
if brady is the best, manning is at least top 5
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Manning didn't beat Brady. It's not a one-one match. The colts D under Dungy helped a lot. Then Denver built an amazing defense. So yeah, manning's team with top defenses beat Brady.
Listen. I fucking can't stand Brady and I'm sticking up for him. makes me sick.
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What about a guy like Deon Sanders? Not saying he's the greatest player of all time, but he played both sides of the ball and was elite both ways. Just food for thought.
You trying to say Sanders was elite on offense? Gonna have to check some stats I sure don't remember that
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What WR ? RB? or TE? from this Patriot Dynasty will make it to the Hall of Fame with Brady ???
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he beat brady 3 out of 4 times in the afc championship game
one of them a decade ago being very similar to the pats recent super bowl win, pats had a 21 - 3 lead, colts won i think 38 -35 with brady throwing an interception less than a minute left to clinch the win for the colts
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Brady is 25-9 in the post season. Manning is 14-13.
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Elway had just as many td's to interception ratio
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You trying to say Sanders was elite on offense? Gonna have to check some stats I sure don't remember that
special teams. kick and/or punt returns.
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special teams. kick and/or punt returns.
Oh yeah, duh. Def a beast on special teams
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Oh yeah, duh. Def a beast on special teams
I wasn't saying Sanders in the best player ever. Merely that the best overall player is really hard to pinpoint in football. Brady is definitely the
best QB ever.
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Manning didn't beat Brady. It's not a one-one match. The colts D under Dungy helped a lot. Then Denver built an amazing defense. So yeah, manning's team with top defenses beat Brady.
Listen. I fucking can't stand Brady and I'm sticking up for him. makes me sick.
i know but you could say the same about all the wins brady had over manning, the pats had a great D for all of their super bowl wins
i think if they switched teams the patriots might have just as many super bowl wins
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Brady is 25-9 in the post season. Manning is 14-13.
it's a team game
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i know but you could say the same about all the wins brady had over manning, the pats had a great D for all of their super bowl wins
i think if they switched teams the patriots might have just as many super bowl wins
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Agreed. Manning would probably have 6 or 7 if he was in the pats system all these years with all those years. I doubt brady would have 1 if played in peytons shoes
We forget so quickly peyton went to the super bowl with 4 different coaches.
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Reggie Wayne on NFL network acknowledged Brady is better than Peyton after the SB
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Mannings downfall was his bullshit audible every single fucking play, just run the fucking play called and shut the fuck up
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Mannings a pussy like Clemens for throwing his wife under the bus "She ordered the HGH, not me"...
He comes back from severe neck surgery after HGH order, throws 50 TD's. (I actaully like Manning though).
Just another liar who the NFL likes to protect. HGH head...
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Montana
Brady
Elway
Marino
payton
sanders (Barry)
Lile Alzaido or however u spell it
rice
taylor
Alzado should be nowhere near this list.
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Alzado should be nowhere near this list.
Not sure why Bruce Smith or Reggie White aren't there.
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Not sure why Bruce Smith or Reggie White aren't there.
Both were a hell of a lot better then Alzado.
....Howie Long was a better player and they were on the same team.
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so did tom tho
jordan cheated all 6 by refs given