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Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
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This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say.
Insane beyond words.
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Technically, in the grand scheme of things, he's right.
BUT, the individual wouldnt get anywhere without drive, motivation, intelligence, and work ethic. So yeah, its kind of a dumb statement.
Wasnt that the whole premise behind Soviet era communism? You cant do anything without someone else, therefore you should work solely for the good of the whole?
"Shoe and shoelace, one is meaningless without the other"
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He is dead wrong since the Government has no assets or money that it did not steal, tax, or borrow from the productivity and income of people first.
The government did not build a road and then Ford invented a car. It works the other way around. The work of industrious people created a demand for cars and roads. But guess who paid for the roads? The taxpayers!
And whats funny too is that this ghetto communist street poverty merchant says there were "teachers" along the way? Really?
Many hardened criminals had the very same teachers! Does obama blame those teachers for that?
And another thing - this communist wretch wants to lay the success of people at the feet of the govt, fine, but what about the failures?
Oh no! Can't do that in the mind of a communist.
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Watch and learn folks.
The govt does not create anything.
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He is dead wrong since the Government has no assets or money that it did not steal, tax, or borrow from the productivity and income of people first.
The government did not build a road and then Ford invented a car. It works the other way around. The work of industrious people created a demand for cars and roads. But guess who paid for the roads? The taxpayers!
So let me get this right...
Taxpayer money, in your opinion, should not be used to create a nations basic infrastructure? Roads, bridges - these are just socialist remnants of government theft of people's hard earned cash?
BTW - how do you get to your 'law office' in the mornings?
Also - are you also saying that cars existed before roads?
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So let me get this right...
Taxpayer money, in your opinion, should not be used to create a nations basic infrastructure? Roads, bridges - these are just socialist remnants of government theft of people's hard earned cash?
BTW - how do you get to your 'law office' in the mornings?
Also - are you also saying that cars existed before roads?
Roads paid for by taxpayers are paid from their productivity and income, not from the good graces of politicians. The government has no assets to build infrastructure that it first does not steal, borrow or tax from others first.
Roads and infrastructure are supposed to be built to accomodate the needs and demands of citizens, not to be a works' project on its own. Bridges to nowhere, roads to nowhere, etc do nothing at all but waste money and destroy the productivity of earners who would be using that money for other productive endeavors of their choosing.
As far as getting to work, I take a road that I pay for every time I pay a toll, gas taxes, etc.
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Obama has no clue on economics whatsoever. He is a complete fool.
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holy fu#k you have to be playing dumb now. he said, "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
i think every time i read your post i'm killing off some of my brain cells :D
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holy fu#k you have to be playing dumb now. he said, "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
i think every time i read your post i'm killing off some of my brain cells :D
Really?
What about failure? Huh?
Does the government ever get blame for failures by Obama considering many hardened criminals, drug dealers, drug addicts, thieves, murderers, also had those same "teachers" along the way?
You can't have it both ways.
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'And what do you know?': Business leaders hit back at Obama after he says the wealthy AREN'T responsible for their own success
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174160/Obama-says-wealthy-ARENT-responsible-success.html
•National Federation of Independent Business slams Obama for remarks challenging significance of U.S. entrepreneurs
•Obama told supporters over the weekend that it was governments - not individuals - who create jobs
•Romney camp adds that his view shows how unqualified he is to lead the country into economic recovery
•Radio host Rush Limbaugh accuses the president of 'destroying the American dream'
By Toby Harnden
PUBLISHED: 00:43 EST, 16 July 2012 | UPDATED: 18:29 EST, 16 July 2012
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America's leading small business association has slammed Barack Obama for showing 'an utter lack of understanding' of the country's entrepreneurs when he told them: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'
In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: 'What a disappointment to hear President Obama's revealing comments challenging the significance of America's entrepreneurs.
Mr Danne added: 'His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'
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Under fire: President Obama, pictured today speaking at a town hall rally in Cincinnati, has been blasted by business leaders who say he has a lack of understanding of American entrepreneurs
President Obama said in a speech at the weekend that governments and not individuals create jobs, telling entrepreneurs: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'
He added: 'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.'
The inflammatory campaign speech comments underline the extent to which Obama believes that the state rather than ordinary citizens create jobs and wealth.
They highlight a key contrast with Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, who is preaching a message of wealth creation by individuals and reinvigorating the private sector.
Andrea Saul, spokeswoman for Romney, told Fox News that the remarks 'reflect just how unqualified he is to lead us to a real economic recovery' and were ' insulting to the hardworking entrepreneurs, small-business owners, and job creators who are the backbone of our economy.'
Attack: Barack Obama said in a speech in Virginia on Saturday that small business owners could not claim credit for their own success
An NFIB spokesman added: 'I'm sure every small-business owner who took a second mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their business disagrees strongly with President Obama's claim. They know that hard work does matter.
'Every small business is not indebted to the government or some other benefactor. If anything, small businesses are historically an economic and job-creating powerhouse in spite of the government.'
The NFIB was founded in 1943 and has some 350,000 members. It is officially a non-partisan organisation but tends to contribute heavily to Republican candidates. In 2010, 25 of its members, all republicans, were elected to Congress.
David Chavern, executive vice-president and chief operating officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said that the basic idea behind Obama’s comments, and other similar sentiments expressed by allies, 'is really objectionable and offensive.'
Reaching out: Obama said in a speech at the weekend that governments - not individuals - create jobs
'The problem with the Obama administration’s view, he wrote in a blog post, was that ‘it only looks at the good outcomes’ rather than what went before.
Mr Chavern wrote: ‘Success is apparently a collective effort - but where was that "collective" during the periods of risk-taking and failure? The vast majority of businesses fail. Period.
He added: 'Every day millions of people put their lives, savings, houses and families on the line and work 20 hours a day just to grab their small slice of the American dream. Where is the collective when all of this is going on? And if the collective is really responsible for success, how come everyone isn’t successful?
'[Obama's] unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'
- NFIB statement
Meanwhile, on his daily radio show, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said that Obama’s Roanoke remarks were proof positive that the president 'hates' America. 'I'll tell you what,' he said. 'I think it can now be said, without equivocation - without equivocation - that this man hates this country. He is trying -- Barack Obama is trying - to dismantle, brick by brick, the American dream.'
Speaking at a campaign rally in Roanoke, Virginia on Friday night, Obama made the case that those who created businesses should be taxed at higher rates because they are fortunate and were helped to achieve success by the government and other people.
'There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back,' he said. 'They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own.
Plans: Obama recently unveiled a new proposal to raise taxes on all those who earn more than $250,000, a measure that Romney contends will hit small businesses.
'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.
'There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.'
Obama recently unveiled a new proposal to raise taxes on all those who earn more than $250,000, a measure that Romney contends will hit small businesses.
He continued: 'If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
Rival: Mitt Romney has stressed his business experience in his campaign
'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
'The internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.'
He made the argument that all this showed that 'there are some things we do better together' and was how the American middle class was built.
OBAMA'S BUSINESS LEADERSHIP CALLED INTO QUESTION
As President Obama comes under scrutiny for remarks that he made about entrepreneurs over the weekend, it's not surprising to many that the president has never served in a leadership level at any private sector job.
The president has held a number of jobs since the late 1980s, including editor, writer and professor before getting into politics.
But questions have been raised about Obama's lack of business experience as the U.S. struggles with a high joblessness rate and a frail economy.
It was a point that Obama's political foes were quick to exploit in their attacks on Monday.
Louisiana Gov Bobby Jindal, appearing alongside Mitt Romney today, said: 'We have a president who hadn't run anything before he was in the White House.'
He added: '[Obama is the] most liberal and incompetent president since Jimmy Carter. No offense to Jimmy Carter.'
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'That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president - because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.'
Obama, who was speaking in a fire station, tried to equate the economy with state-run emergency services. 'There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.'
Obama's comments strongly echo controversial remarks made by Elizabeth Warren, a liberal darling and candidate for the US Senate in Massachusetts, in August 2011 when she said: 'There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.'
She then made the case that the wealthy only got wealthy because of others. 'You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.
'You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.'
She linked this with a demand for the rich to be taxed at a higher rate.
'Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.'
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Obama Tells Entrepreneurs “You Didn’t Build” Your Business
Heritage Foundation ^ | Amy Payne
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2012 10:02:11
That sound you hear is silence—as millions of small business owners and entrepreneurs were left speechless this weekend from President Obama’s latest insult.
The slap in the face to hard-working Americans conveyed Obama’s belief that it takes a village—a heavily subsidized village—to create that venture you’re profiting from:
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Obama pushed his policy goals of infrastructure (aka stimulus) spending and “government research” as part of a collectivist utopia “doing things together.” It’s simply stunning that he would tell Americans, “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that.”
After all, could individuals be resourceful and hard-working enough to create whole new enterprises? Obama said:
Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.
It is this view of successful businesses—essentially, “You owe us”—that drives Obama’s continued attacks on the country’s job creators in the form of tax hikes and regulations.
It’s a tough time to be a business owner and entrepreneur in America. Surveys show small business owners are struggling, and they are not expanding or hiring because of tax and regulatory uncertainty. Federal agencies, from Health and Human Services to the Environmental Protection Agency, are regulating them to death. And just last week, President Obama announced his latest economic plan was to hit job creators with a tax increase.
The President’s plan to raise taxes on earnings above $200,000 ($250,000 for joint filers) would hit 1.2 million small-business employers who pay their taxes through the individual income tax, known as flow-through businesses. These businesses that are creating jobs earn almost all—91 percent—of the income earned by flow-through employer-businesses.
The new tax increase could be equivalent to one employee per small business. According to calculations by The Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis, the average American with $250,000 or more in income can expect an average $24,888 tax increase next year under Obama’s proposed policies. That $24,888 figure is often enough for a salary. So the President could be putting about 1.2 million jobs—perhaps even more—at risk with this tax hike.
Hitting private job creators while advocating more stimulus spending and government jobs. That’s the President’s plan for the economy.
Meanwhile, businesses large and small suffer from the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. This has long made the U.S. an uncompetitive place for new investment and has driven new jobs to other, more competitive nations, meaning fewer jobs and lower wages for all Americans.
If the U.S. is to see economic recovery, we must encourage entrepreneurship. Stopping the biggest tax increase in American history, Taxmageddon, would be a good place to start. It’s a $494 billion tax hike set to hit on January 1, when a number of tax policies expire and just a few of Obamacare’s new taxes kick in. Businesses are already hesitating on hiring decisions because of the impending effects of these taxes.
Democratic leaders are demanding tax hikes, however, and threatening to allow Taxmageddon for the sake of politics—despite warnings that it would send the U.S. back into recession.
Real recovery will take even more than saving job creators from punishing taxes and regulations. It requires leadership that appreciates and values the long hours that America’s business builders put in and the personal sacrifices they make for their dreams. It will take leaders who say, “If you’ve got a business—you built that. And we want more of that in America.”
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'And what do you know?': Business leaders hit back at Obama after he says the wealthy AREN'T responsible for their own success
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174160/Obama-says-wealthy-ARENT-responsible-success.html
•National Federation of Independent Business slams Obama for remarks challenging significance of U.S. entrepreneurs
•Obama told supporters over the weekend that it was governments - not individuals - who create jobs
•Romney camp adds that his view shows how unqualified he is to lead the country into economic recovery
•Radio host Rush Limbaugh accuses the president of 'destroying the American dream'
By Toby Harnden
PUBLISHED: 00:43 EST, 16 July 2012 | UPDATED: 18:29 EST, 16 July 2012
Comments (655)
America's leading small business association has slammed Barack Obama for showing 'an utter lack of understanding' of the country's entrepreneurs when he told them: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'
In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: 'What a disappointment to hear President Obama's revealing comments challenging the significance of America's entrepreneurs.
Mr Danne added: 'His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'
Scroll down for video
Under fire: President Obama, pictured today speaking at a town hall rally in Cincinnati, has been blasted by business leaders who say he has a lack of understanding of American entrepreneurs
President Obama said in a speech at the weekend that governments and not individuals create jobs, telling entrepreneurs: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'
He added: 'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.'
The inflammatory campaign speech comments underline the extent to which Obama believes that the state rather than ordinary citizens create jobs and wealth.
They highlight a key contrast with Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, who is preaching a message of wealth creation by individuals and reinvigorating the private sector.
Andrea Saul, spokeswoman for Romney, told Fox News that the remarks 'reflect just how unqualified he is to lead us to a real economic recovery' and were ' insulting to the hardworking entrepreneurs, small-business owners, and job creators who are the backbone of our economy.'
Attack: Barack Obama said in a speech in Virginia on Saturday that small business owners could not claim credit for their own success
An NFIB spokesman added: 'I'm sure every small-business owner who took a second mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their business disagrees strongly with President Obama's claim. They know that hard work does matter.
'Every small business is not indebted to the government or some other benefactor. If anything, small businesses are historically an economic and job-creating powerhouse in spite of the government.'
The NFIB was founded in 1943 and has some 350,000 members. It is officially a non-partisan organisation but tends to contribute heavily to Republican candidates. In 2010, 25 of its members, all republicans, were elected to Congress.
David Chavern, executive vice-president and chief operating officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said that the basic idea behind Obama’s comments, and other similar sentiments expressed by allies, 'is really objectionable and offensive.'
Reaching out: Obama said in a speech at the weekend that governments - not individuals - create jobs
'The problem with the Obama administration’s view, he wrote in a blog post, was that ‘it only looks at the good outcomes’ rather than what went before.
Mr Chavern wrote: ‘Success is apparently a collective effort - but where was that "collective" during the periods of risk-taking and failure? The vast majority of businesses fail. Period.
He added: 'Every day millions of people put their lives, savings, houses and families on the line and work 20 hours a day just to grab their small slice of the American dream. Where is the collective when all of this is going on? And if the collective is really responsible for success, how come everyone isn’t successful?
'[Obama's] unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'
- NFIB statement
Meanwhile, on his daily radio show, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said that Obama’s Roanoke remarks were proof positive that the president 'hates' America. 'I'll tell you what,' he said. 'I think it can now be said, without equivocation - without equivocation - that this man hates this country. He is trying -- Barack Obama is trying - to dismantle, brick by brick, the American dream.'
Speaking at a campaign rally in Roanoke, Virginia on Friday night, Obama made the case that those who created businesses should be taxed at higher rates because they are fortunate and were helped to achieve success by the government and other people.
'There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back,' he said. 'They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own.
Plans: Obama recently unveiled a new proposal to raise taxes on all those who earn more than $250,000, a measure that Romney contends will hit small businesses.
'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.
'There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.'
Obama recently unveiled a new proposal to raise taxes on all those who earn more than $250,000, a measure that Romney contends will hit small businesses.
He continued: 'If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
Rival: Mitt Romney has stressed his business experience in his campaign
'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
'The internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.'
He made the argument that all this showed that 'there are some things we do better together' and was how the American middle class was built.
OBAMA'S BUSINESS LEADERSHIP CALLED INTO QUESTION
As President Obama comes under scrutiny for remarks that he made about entrepreneurs over the weekend, it's not surprising to many that the president has never served in a leadership level at any private sector job.
The president has held a number of jobs since the late 1980s, including editor, writer and professor before getting into politics.
But questions have been raised about Obama's lack of business experience as the U.S. struggles with a high joblessness rate and a frail economy.
It was a point that Obama's political foes were quick to exploit in their attacks on Monday.
Louisiana Gov Bobby Jindal, appearing alongside Mitt Romney today, said: 'We have a president who hadn't run anything before he was in the White House.'
He added: '[Obama is the] most liberal and incompetent president since Jimmy Carter. No offense to Jimmy Carter.'
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'That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president - because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.'
Obama, who was speaking in a fire station, tried to equate the economy with state-run emergency services. 'There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.'
Obama's comments strongly echo controversial remarks made by Elizabeth Warren, a liberal darling and candidate for the US Senate in Massachusetts, in August 2011 when she said: 'There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.'
She then made the case that the wealthy only got wealthy because of others. 'You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.
'You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.'
She linked this with a demand for the rich to be taxed at a higher rate.
'Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.'
he never said that,but hey keep the lies going,that's what you do best Baghdad Bob
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Private success is the reason for the gov't.
It is because of private success that we have roads , courts, aircraft carriers etc. Private success is the reason we have the system of gov't that we have and the economy that we have. It is not the other way around--that would be the soviet union.
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July 17, 2012
Is Obama Ripping Off the Mask?
By James Lewis
American candidates for president have a predictable trajectory. They begin by telling the party troops that they are really coming from the honest-to-gosh right or left, and then they move steadily toward the great fuzzy middle, so that by election time they end up sounding like Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee.
But Obama has been going off the standard script -- most recently by attacking capitalism in radical terms. Namely, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Democratic senators are reportedly "horrified" by Obama's behavior.
Last week, an Obama surrogate was accusing Mitt Romney of being a felon.
This is a new low in presidential hardball politics -- at least since LBJ accused Barry Goldwater of wanting to explode nuclear weapons on little girls picking daisies.
Ben Shapiro of Breitbart reports the following Obama transcript:
Is any of this (use of tax havens) actually illegal?
It appears not, but it's impossible to know for sure because Romney refuses to release enough information to let people make their own judgments.
Writes Shapiro:
... Last time I checked, ... there is a presumption of innocence[.] But Obama needs no evidence. He just needs innuendo.
"And when did you stop beating your wife?" to quote the old legal joke. But this is not a joke.
If Breitbart is right, the Obama campaign is actually raising money in China -- quite possibly from non-U.S. citizens, since its controls are lax. Not a legal move, even if it's ignored by the Federal Election Commission.
The Obama campaign may be committing felonies while accusing others of being felons. Hardball politics isn't new, but crazy hardball tends to be self-defeating. It reflects rage and desperation rather than cold calculations. Obama now seems to be playing crazy ball.
In 2008, Obama ran as a messianic figure, come to bring peace and love to earth. But in 2012 he is tearing off the mask bequeathed by Saul Alinsky and his other radical left mentors.
I think there might be two reasons. First, Obama really is an ideological radical -- there's no honest doubt about it anymore, given his expressed anti-capitalist and anti-constitutionalist views, his solid phalanx of radical associates throughout life, and his repeated assault on everyday Americans. And while Obama is the most convincing liar since Bill Clinton, he has essentially given up on hiding his radicalism.
That is hugely important.
A second reason why Obama seems to be wandering off script is his genuine rage and anger toward those who dissent from his radical orthodoxy. Early in his administration, Obama gave one of those televised White House seminars on the economy. Congressman Paul Ryan was there, and instead of listening obediently, the way Republicans are supposed to, he presented a clear and articulate argument against federal overspending. Obama was caught unprepared, and right there on live TV, he suddenly looked enraged. That used-car salesman smile was gone. For a moment, we could see the man behind the Carteresque grin. He didn't look kind and compassionate.
You can bet that Vladimir Putin and Hu Jin Tao played and replayed that clip over and over again to see the real Obama. All the novice KGB thugs are being trained on this one.
(Look at this photo of Obama's soulmate, Elizabeth Warren, and you can see the identical rage.)
The Daily Kos loves this collectivist Obama stuff. But the Kosovars are already in his back pocket. Why is Obama echoing the mad-dog left three and a half months before November?
One reason could be money. The Great O is far behind his money-raising record from 2007 and 2008. But in 2008, Obama kept his real feelings for the private delight of behind-the-scene fund-raisers.
Right now Obama's denial of business achievements is on the White House website (above). Americans who don't hate business (70-80 percent) are not comfortable with those words. If the people in the Romney campaign are smart, they'll run that one over and over toward November. Add a few occupistas running wild in business districts around the country, and they will add Obama's smiling endorsement of those idealistic kids, just to hammer the point home. Obama is his own worst enemy.
In emotional terms, Obama and Warren are "leaking" their real feelings while trying to cover them up. Popular narcissists can be devastatingly nice and charming, until they run into opposition. Then their real feelings leak out.
In his heart of hearts, President O is always enraged at the American people -- those bitter clingers -- but this time it's personal. Gone is the smiling messiah, and in his place we see a persecutory personality, a real witch-hunter who may lose the election but won't pass up a chance to scourge this country with the whip of righteousness, to tell us what he really thinks. Under the smiling mask, Obama is Rev. Jerry Wright.
By Labor Day, when all the football fans and SUV moms take their eyes of the TV, they will see it, too.
If Obama doesn't hammer his rage and anger home to the voters, Romney should do it for him. This is self-destructive strategy. You don't end a campaign by ranting at the voters.
Obama is not a conventional politician. For sure, he loves the trappings, Air Force One, the chance to finally lord it over other people. But Obama is dyed-in-the-wool ideologue. In the last four years he's changed everything except his deeply embedded beliefs. America is still the real enemy.
Obama has become Jimmy Carter, who's gotten more and more stuck in trying to justify his catastrophic policies from 30 years ago.
Jimmy Carter is still trying to be president. Emotionally, he can't come to terms with his defeat in 1978. That's why he can't leave the public stage, or stop defending his defeatist policies toward the most hardened enemies of this country.
If Obama is defeated in this election, chances are that he will become another Jimmy Carter -- a "bitter clinger" if ever there was one.
The left has always thought long-term. Radical leftism is a utopian ideology, not a normal American political party. The left wants to turn America upside-down -- the original meaning of "revolution," from Copernicus' book on the rotation (revolving) of the earth
So far, America is still rightside-up, but Obama won't stop if he is defeated. On the contrary. To keep his stuck beliefs intact, Obama will have to redouble his missionary efforts.
If that happens, Obama the "bitter clinger" will haunt the Democratic Party 'til the end of his days.
Which would be a kind of poetic justice.
(Obama image by Otto Veblin)
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July 17, 2012
The Most Anti-Business President Ever
By David Limbaugh
7/17/2012
If I didn't know better, I might conclude that President Obama is trying to validate my book. His personal attacks on Mitt Romney have been so harsh that Romney called them "beneath the dignity of the presidency."
Not only did I devote several chapters to documenting Obama's practice of bullying and attacking his political opponents but my final chapter, uncannily, details Obama's "War on the Dignity of His Office."
Having presided over 41 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent and possessing no arrows in his economic quiver besides deficit spending and raising taxes, it's not surprising Obama continues to resort to these gutter tactics.
What finally drew Romney's ire was Obama's accusing Romney of committing a felony and then Obama's refusing to apologize. This is simply Chicago Thug Politics 101. President Obama's favorite whipping boy, President George W. Bush, would have never stooped to this level. Even in the face of brutal, scurrilous attacks, Bush refused to diminish the dignity of the office.
In recent days, Obama also provided supplemental material for my chapter detailing his "War on Business" by revealing, yet again, his attitude toward the private sector, entrepreneurship and business. He told a crowd in Roanoke, Va., "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
His apologists will say his remarks were taken out of context, but I'm afraid that's not the case. Though no one can deny Obama's assertion that all successful people have benefited from others -- teachers and other mentors -- the thrust of his remarks was directed at crediting government with having an indispensible role in the success of businesses.
Watch the video. He referred wistfully to the Clinton years as a period of unbridled economic growth -- and he attributed that growth to tax increases on the "wealthy." He said that during those years, "we created a lot of millionaires." We? Created? In other words, government created a lot of millionaires; it wasn't their ingenuity, and it certainly wasn't their "hard work" -- a point he made emphatically clear. The government's infrastructure, its roads and bridges, said Obama, created the climate for businesses to thrive. Oh, boy.
This is Obama's orientation. This is his mindset. He believes that government is the granddaddy of business and not the other way around. He was very explicit in his Osawatomie, Kan., speech that capitalism can't work without extensive government regulations and that businesses don't flourish on their own. They can only succeed when jump-started by infusions of government money and wisdom. Does it ever occur to him that there would be no government if businesses and individuals weren't pouring their revenues into the federal coffers?
Despite Obama's insistence that he is a fierce advocate of the free market and his fanfare about streamlining government regulations, he has amassed regulations at an unprecedented rate, dwarfing all previous presidents, including George W. Bush. Indeed, his burdensome regulatory and tax policies have businesses paralyzed in an anxiety-shaped straightjacket and scared to death to expand because of the stifling atmosphere of uncertainty.
During his term, employment at federal agencies has increased, while it has been abysmal in the private sector. He has demonized the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and savaged the private jet industry, causing major damage to that industry and costing thousands of jobs. He has inspired an adversarial, even hostile, climate between labor unions and management, exemplified by his National Labor Relations Board's trying to prevent Boeing from opening up a new manufacturing plant in another state.
Obama has few people with business experience in his administration. He has no former CEOs in his Cabinet, and there is almost no top-level private-sector experience among his inner circle of advisers. Time magazine's Fareed Zakaria, a liberal and a big fan of Obama's, admits that even the business leaders who voted for Obama believe he is, "at his core, anti-business."
George Buckley, CEO of 3M, said: "We know what his instincts are. ... He is anti-business." Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts, said: "This administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it. ... Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America."
Even Obama's attacks against Romney are mostly grounded in Obama's antipathy toward Romney's success in business and Obama's innate hostility toward the private sector.
Obama's punitively anti-business policies have made it very difficult for businesses to flourish and for job growth to occur. His anti-business attitude and rhetoric have poisoned the market that much more.
If and when Obama is defeated in November, we should anticipate an explosion in business and entrepreneurial activity among ordinary Americans who realize they're about to be liberated from the most anti-business president in our history.
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David Limbaugh :D :D :D :D your kidding right fat mans little brother,can't wait to you start posting stuff from becks little brother :D
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again your pulling one sentence out of context ::)
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again your pulling one sentence out of context ::)
So - it was obama's one sentence in 2008 to Joe the plumber that revealed what he was all about.
Same here.
When off teleprompter obama cant help himself but reveal himself for the communist he he is. He sounds like this raving bitch no?
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Typical Obama: Punish and deride those who are successful, while literally paying people to not work.
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So - it was obama's one sentence in 2008 to Joe the plumber that revealed what he was all about.
Same here.
When off teleprompter obama cant help himself but reveal himself for the communist he he is. He sounds like this raving bitch no?
holy shit can we even stick to the topic you started :D :D
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Paul Ryan Went On An Epic Rant Over Obama's Comment About Business
James Pethokoukis, American Enterprise Institute|Jul. 17, 2012, 10:30 AM|1,264|20
It was Rep. Paul Ryan’s wife, Janna, who first saw — via Twitter— President Obama’s recent comments about American entrepreneurs, that “if you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
And the Wisconsin Republican — thought to be on Mitt Romney’s running-mate short list — couldn’t believe it. He thought someone must “have been putting words in the president’s mouth.”
But Obama said it all. And Ryan absolutely tore into the president in a chat I had with him earlier today. Among the highlights:
– “The idea that these entrepreneurs owe all their success to some government bureaucrat or some centralized planner just defies reality.”
– “Every now and then, President Obama pierces the veil. He’s usually pretty coy about his ideology, but he lets the veil slip from time to time.”
– “We believe in free communities and this is a statist attack on free communities.”
– “He’s deluded himself into thinking that his so-called enemies are these crazy individualists who believe in some dog-eat-dog society when what he’s really doing is basically attacking people like entrepreneurs and stacking up a list of scapegoats to blame for his failures.”
– “As all of his big government spending programs fail to restore jobs and growth, he seems to be retreating into a statist vision of government direction and control of a free society that looks backward to the failed ideologies of the 20th century.”
– “Those of us who are conservative believe in government, we just believe government has limits. We want government to do what it does well and respect its limits so civil society and families can flourish on their own and do well and achieve their potential.”
– “He wants to be as transformational as Reagan by undoing the entire Reagan revolution.”
Now here are some longer excerpts:
Every now and then, he pierces the veil. He’s usually pretty coy about his ideology, but he lets the veil slip from time to time. … His straw man argument is this ridiculous caricature where he’s trying to say if you want any security in life, you stick with me. If you go with these Republicans, they’re going to feed you to the wolves because they believe in some Hobbesian state of nature, and it’s one or the other which is complete bunk, absolutely ridiculous. But it seems to be the only way he thinks he can make his case. He’s deluded himself into thinking that his so-called enemies are these crazy individualists who believe in some dog-eat-dog society when what he’s really doing is basically attacking people like entrepreneurs and stacking up a list of scapegoats to blame for his failures.
His comments seem to derive from a naive vision of a government-centered society and a government-directed economy. It stems from an idea that the nucleus of society and the economy is government not the people. … It is antithetical to the American idea. We believe in free communities, and this is a statist attack on free communities. … As all of his big government spending programs fail to restore jobs and growth, he seems to be retreating into a statist vision of government direction and control of a free society that looks backward to the failed ideologies of the 20th century.
This is not a Bill Clinton Democrat. He’s got this very government-centric, old 20th century collectivist philosophy which negates the American experiment which is people living in communities, supporting one another, having government stick to its limits so it can do its job really well … Those of us who are conservative believe in government, we just believe government has limits. We want government to do what it does well and respect its limits so civil society and families can flourish on their own and do well and achieve their potential.
How does building roads and bridge justify Obamacare? If you like the GI Bill therefore we must go along with socialized medicine. It’s a strange leap that he takes. … To me it’s the laziest form of a debate to affix views to your opponent that they do not have so you can demonize them and defeat them and win the debate by default
I think he believes America was on the right path until Reagan came along, and Reagan got us going in the wrong direction. And and he wants to be as transformational as Reagan by undoing the entire Reagan revolution. … I think he sees himself as bringing about this wave of progressivism, and the only thing stopping him are these meddling conservatives who believe in these founding principles so he has to caricature them in the ugliest light possible to win the argument.
Read more: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/paul-ryan-rips-obamas-comment-that-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that-somebody-else-made-that-happen/#ixzz20tlAWL9c
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July 16, 2012
The Capitalism Debate
By DAVID BROOKS
Let’s say you are president in a time of a sustained economic slowdown. You initiated a series of big policies that you thought were going to turn the economy around, but they didn’t work — either because they were insufficient or ineffective. How do you run for re-election under these circumstances?
Do you spend the entire campaign saying that things would have been even worse if you hadn’t acted the way you did? No. That would be pathetic. You go on the attack. Instead of defending your economic policies, you attack modern capitalism as it now exists. You blame the system for the economy. You do this with double ferocity if your opponent happens to be the embodiment of that system.
This is what the Obama campaign appears to have done in recent months. Instead of defending the policies of the last four years, the campaign has begun a series of attacks on the things people don’t like about modern capitalism.
They don’t like the way unsuccessful firms go bust. Obama hit that with ads about a steel plant closure a few months ago. They don’t like C.E.O. salaries. President Obama hits that regularly. They don’t like financial shenanigans. Obama hits that. They don’t like outsourcing and offshoring. This week, Obama has been hitting that.
The president is now running an ad showing Mitt Romney tunelessly singing “America the Beautiful,” while the text on screen blasts him for shipping jobs to China, India and Mexico.
The accuracy of the ad has been questioned by the various fact-checking outfits. That need not detain us. It’s safest to assume that all the ads you see this year will be at least somewhat inaccurate because the ad-makers now take dishonesty as a mark of their professional toughness.
What matters is the ideology behind the ad: the assumption that Bain Capital, the private-equity firm founded by Romney, should not have invested in companies that hired workers abroad; the assumption that hiring Mexican or Indian workers is unpatriotic; the assumption that no worthy person would do what most global business leaders have been doing for the past half-century.
This ad — and the rhetoric the campaign is using around it — challenges the entire logic of capitalism as it has existed over several decades. It’s part of a comprehensive attack on the economic system Romney personifies.
This shift of focus has been audacious. Over the years of his presidency, Obama has not been a critic of globalization. There’s no real evidence that, when he’s off the campaign trail, he has any problem with outsourcing and offshoring. He has lavishly praised people like Steve Jobs who were prominent practitioners. He has hired people like Jeffrey Immelt, the chief executive of General Electric, whose company embodies the upsides of globalization. His economic advisers have generally touted the benefits of globalization even as they worked to help those who are hurt by its downsides.
But, politically, this aggressive tactic has worked. It has shifted the focus of the race from being about big government, which Obama represents, to being about capitalism, which Romney represents.
Just as Republicans spent years promising voters that they could have tax cuts forever, now the Democrats are promising voters that they can have all the benefits of capitalism without the downsides, like plant closures, rich C.E.O.’s and outsourcing. Just as Republicans used to force Democrats into the eat-your-spinach posture (you need to have high taxes if you want your programs), now Democrats are casting Republicans into the eat-your-spinach posture (you need to accept outsourcing and the pains of creative destruction if you want your prosperity).
The Romney campaign doesn’t seem to know how to respond. For centuries, business leaders have been inept when writers, intellectuals and politicians attacked capitalism, and, so far, the Romney campaign is continuing that streak.
One thing is for sure. As Arthur Brooks of the American Enterprise Institute has said again and again, it’s not enough to say that capitalism will make you money. You can’t fight what is essentially a moral critique with economics.
Romney is going to have to define a vision of modern capitalism. He’s going to have to separate his vision from the scandals and excesses we’ve seen over the last few years. He needs to define the kind of capitalist he is and why the country needs his virtues.
Let’s face it, he’s not a heroic entrepreneur. He’s an efficiency expert. It has been the business of his life to take companies that were mediocre and sclerotic and try to make them efficient and dynamic. It has been his job to be the corporate version of a personal trainer: take people who are puffy and self-indulgent and whip them into shape.
That’s his selling point: rigor and productivity. If he can build a capitalist vision around that, he’ll thrive. If not, he’s a punching bag.
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He is dead wrong since the Government has no assets or money that it did not steal, tax, or borrow from the productivity and income of people first.
The government did not build a road and then Ford invented a car. It works the other way around. The work of industrious people created a demand for cars and roads. But guess who paid for the roads? The taxpayers!
And whats funny too is that this ghetto communist street poverty merchant says there were "teachers" along the way? Really?
Many hardened criminals had the very same teachers! Does obama blame those teachers for that?
And another thing - this communist wretch wants to lay the success of people at the feet of the govt, fine, but what about the failures?
Oh no! Can't do that in the mind of a communist.
what's with the bogus quote in those two pictures?
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what's with the bogus quote in those two pictures?
Those were Obama's own words from his Leninist rant in front of the gullible morons.
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Those were Obama's own words from his Leninist rant in front of the gullible morons.
no they weren't
post the full quote and you'll see what he's talking about (well ok -you still won't see it but eveyrone else will)
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Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
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This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say.
Insane beyond words.
Straw - his quote is right there.
He is a hardcore communist.
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The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
just more pick and choose bullshit
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Straw - his quote is right there.
He is a hardcore communist.
and you are a certified idiot
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
you know full well he's talking about the infrastruture that allows your business to exist.
Same type of commnets Elizabeth Warren was making but not are well delivered
Anyway, please continue to believe Obama is a communist since that's what you've always believed and I hope you're prepared for the collapse of the nation and full blown communism when Obama is re-elected
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If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen
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If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen
i'm feeling sorrry for you, i think you might be slightly retarded not ;D
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Even if he was referring to infrastructure he is full of shit too.
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Even if he was referring to infrastructure he is full of shit too.
we all know that business built the roads, bridges and highways that they use to transport their goods and of course all business have armed security to make sure their goods have safe passage across the country and of course they taught their drivers to read and write. Same goes for the internet. We all know the little online jewelrey store first had to invest billiions to create the internet before they could start their busines
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we all know that business built the roads, bridges and highways that they use to transport their goods and of course all business have armed security to make sure their goods have safe passage across the country and of course they taught their drivers to read and write. Same goes for the internet. We all know the little online jewelrey store first had to invest billiions to create the internet before they could start their busines
Where does the govt get the money to "invest" in anything?
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Private success is the reason for the gov't.
It is because of private success that we have roads , courts, aircraft carriers etc. Private success is the reason we have the system of gov't that we have and the economy that we have. It is not the other way around--that would be the soviet union.
How is it you hate so many people yet love privat companies? Arent they driven by people?
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Where does the govt get the money to "invest" in anything?
Taxes and they should therefore be minimum.
But roads, health and education are vital to get productive people who can work in the private sector.
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Taxes and they should therefore be minimum.
But roads, health and education are vital to get productive people who can work in the private sector.
Where do they generate tax money from to do that?
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Where do they generate tax money from to do that?
Taxes and they should therefore be minimum.
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Taxes and they should therefore be minimum.
Taxes from what?
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Taxes from what?
Money earnt salaries etc...
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http://www.c-span.org/Events/Mitt-Romney-Rallies-in-Wisconsin-with-Gov-Walker-Rep-Ryan/10737431672
Contrast this with that lying thug communist Obama
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http://www.c-span.org/Events/Mitt-Romney-Rallies-in-Wisconsin-with-Gov-Walker-Rep-Ryan/10737431672
Contrast this with that lying thug communist Obama
LOL @ thug
man, you must be scared to leave you house
you see thugs everywhere
hey will you be posting on GB while you're sitting on that panel?
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LOL @ thug
man, you must be scared to leave you house
you see thugs everywhere
hey will you be posting on GB while you're sitting on that panel?
I live in the bronx - there are thugs everywhere,
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I live in the bronx - there are thugs everywhere,
you forgot to mention the savages and beasts
must suck to live in such fear all the time
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Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
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This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say.
Insane beyond words.
It is insane....that is unless you actually read what he said.... ::)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Once again, another example of words taken completely out of context
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It is insane....that is unless you actually read what he said.... ::)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Once again, another example of words taken completely out of context
When those teachers have students that go on to be murderers should those same teachers get blame for the failure?
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Hate to tell you this but the Harland Sanders used 105 dollars from his first Social Security Check to build his franchises traveling accross the states. His orginal restaurant was closed due to the highway being built and diverting traffic away from it ::)
In this case....Socialism won. Harland Sanders was bankrupt at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
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Chuckle....the guy next to Jobs, Steve Woziak was more responsible for building Apple. Those government contracts he got helped a bunch too.....that's why there were Apple II computers in practically every classroom in America in the 80's and 90's dipshit
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Chuckle....the guy next to Jobs, Steve Woziak was more responsible for building Apple. Those government contracts he got helped a bunch too.....that's why there were Apple II computers in practically every classroom in America in the 80's and 90's dipshit
I think 333's point is the government wouldnt exist if it werent for the taxpayers, and life would still go on without them, and people would still be successful (regardless of how immoral their business practices may be)
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I think 333's point is the government wouldnt exist if it werent for the taxpayers, and life would still go on without them, and people would still be successful (regardless of how immoral their business practices may be)
Absolute truth.
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I think 333's point is the government wouldnt exist if it werent for the taxpayers, and life would still go on without them, and people would still be successful (regardless of how immoral their business practices may be)
333 actually missed the point due to not taking the time to find out what Obama actually said.
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333 actually missed the point due to not taking the time to find out what Obama actually said.
.... I dont see how the inaccuracy of the quote in any way invalidates his opinion. Obama is basically saying you wouldnt get anywhere without the governments support, which simply is not true.
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.... I dont see how the inaccuracy of the quote in any way invalidates his opinion. Obama is basically saying you wouldnt get anywhere without the governments support, which simply is not true.
You would be right if you left out the word government.....No one suceeds in business without someone's help
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Lol. Spoken like a true leftist.
333 actually missed the point due to not taking the time to find out what Obama actually said.
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You would be right if you left out the word government.....No one suceeds in business without someone's help
He was insinuating government help.
Context is key - every example he gave was government funding, you illiterate fuck.
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Watch Romney go upside Obama's head on that silly statement:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/17/videos-romney-on-the-attack-after-obamas-you-didnt-build-that-remark/
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He was insinuating government help.
Context is key - every example he gave was government funding, you illiterate fuck.
No he wasn't jackass and you and number boy will be crying for the next 4 years about why Obama was reelected
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No he wasn't jackass and you and number boy will be crying for the next 4 years about why Obama was reelected
Really? He didnt immediately follow that with a string of examples, all examples of government funding?
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Really? Illiterate fuck.
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Really? He didnt immediately follow that with a string of examples, all examples of government funding?
Really? Illiterate fuck.
What Obama basically said was that, since you owe society/government for your success, it's time for you to "share the wealth". And, what better way to do that than to let Obama bend you over and fiscally sodomize you out of your hard-earned money, so some flea-bitten Occupy type can pursue his dream of studying inverted transexual Japanese chicken-clucking.
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I just want to know where thugbama blames those same teachers whose students become criminals and drags on society for their failures.
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Roads paid for by taxpayers are paid from their productivity and income, not from the good graces of politicians. The government has no assets to build infrastructure that it first does not steal, borrow or tax from others first.
Correct. But I don't see any politicians claiming they paid for the roads.
Roads and infrastructure are supposed to be built to accomodate the needs and demands of citizens, not to be a works' project on its own. Bridges to nowhere, roads to nowhere, etc do nothing at all but waste money and destroy the productivity of earners who would be using that money for other productive endeavors of their choosing.
As far as getting to work, I take a road that I pay for every time I pay a toll, gas taxes, etc.
Again correct. But major roads cost billions to create. You paid your fraction as did everyone else. Some people get more from the infrastructure that others. Some people pay more tax than others.
The concept being discussed doesn't just stop at infrastructure created from the public coffers. A guy with a succesful trucking company would be nowhere without the oil companies. I run a company that would be nothing without the staff.
Public & private. I'd be hard pushed to sell anything on the internet if some very smart people in the military hadn't invented it. I'd also not sell anything if the CME/CBOT didin't exist. Public & private.
I lean on public & private enterprises.
Creating wealth from scratch requires a number of things : Some smarts, a lot of luck, lots & lots of other people & the infrastructure to support what you do.
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Chuckle....the guy next to Jobs, Steve Woziak was more responsible for building Apple. Those government contracts he got helped a bunch too.....that's why there were Apple II computers in practically every classroom in America in the 80's and 90's dipshit
The government funded Apple's garage laboratory where the company got started. ::)
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fine, but people like Obama should equally be willing to acknowledge failure. By the govt as well no?
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ITT: People who have never accomplished anything of value in life cry about others accomplishing more than them and chalk their success up to outside factors.
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When those teachers have students that go on to be murderers should those same teachers get blame for the failure?
LMAO!
has your life been totally void of helpful people?
Were you such a cnut as a kid that you even turned the teachers off?
Mrs Evans, Mrs Goodwin, Mr Greene - three teachers I look back on with fondness. I was an 'odd' kid - always off on my own tangent - these three humans encouraged me, rather than trying to get me to conform. I had many other teachers that were trying to fit this square peg into the regular round hole. Without the encouragement of these three teachers, I'd probably not have taken the risks I did in life.
I'm not rich but I am happy and I do stuff I like to do. My attitude to life would not be what it is if all the teachers I'd had were total conformists.
As for you - it is a shame you didn't have people go out of their way for you in your youth, to go the extra mile for you even if it wasn't required for them to do so.
Mind you, if you had - you'd have probably misinterpreted their intentions and started a hate campaign against them.
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Hate to tell you this but the Harland Sanders used 105 dollars from his first Social Security Check to build his franchises traveling accross the states. His orginal restaurant was closed due to the highway being built and diverting traffic away from it ::)
In this case....Socialism won. Harland Sanders was bankrupt at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
LMAO!
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The Self-Made Myth: Debunking Conservatives' Favorite -- And Most Dangerous -- Fiction
A new book makes a strong case that nobody ever makes it on their own in America.
http://www.alternet.org/story/155149/the_self-made_myth:_debunking_conservatives%27_favorite_--_and_most_dangerous_--_fiction_?page=entire
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no, I am using an absurd analogy to expose absurdity of obamas analogy.
If a communist like Obama wants to credit teachers w the success of business people who are successful why not equally. Give them blame for the failures?
LMAO!
has your life been totally void of helpful people?
Were you such a cnut as a kid that you even turned the teachers off?
Mrs Evans, Mrs Goodwin, Mr Greene - three teachers I look back on with fondness. I was an 'odd' kid - always off on my own tangent - these three humans encouraged me, rather than trying to get me to conform. I had many other teachers that were trying to fit this square peg into the regular round hole. Without the encouragement of these three teachers, I'd probably not have taken the risks I did in life.
I'm not rich but I am happy and I do stuff I like to do. My attitude to life would not be what it is if all the teachers I'd had were total conformists.
As for you - it is a shame you didn't have people go out of their way for you in your youth, to go the extra mile for you even if it wasn't required for them to do so.
Mind you, if you had - you'd have probably misinterpreted their intentions and started a hate campaign against them.
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Really? How much did the Col. Pay in SS taxes?
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The Self-Made Myth: Debunking Conservatives' Favorite -- And Most Dangerous -- Fiction
A new book makes a strong case that nobody ever makes it on their own in America.
http://www.alternet.org/story/155149/the_self-made_myth:_debunking_conservatives%27_favorite_--_and_most_dangerous_--_fiction_?page=entire
Businesses grow due to a good business model, product, service, or combo of the above, not anything the govt does.
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No, You Can't!
By W. James Antle, III on 7.17.12 @ 6:10AM
Obama reminds us there's no "I" in government.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama's slogan was "Yes, we can!" But if you thought that was an inspiring call for individual empowerment, think again. His new message is, "Oh no, you didn't."
On Friday, the president laid bare the logic behind his call for higher taxes on the wealthy. "You know, there are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back," Obama said in a campaign speech. "They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own."
"I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart," Obama continued. (He is apparently not struck by people who think they can centrally plan the economy or wield substantial political power over others because they are just so smart.) "There are a lot of smart people out there."
Having dismissed the old noggin as a possible explanation of individual success, Obama next started in on hard work. "It must be because I worked harder than everybody else," he imagined the winners of life's lottery to believe. "Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."
Okay, people don't succeed because of their inherent brain power or hard work. By now the audience must have been sitting on the edge of their seats, wondering how dear leader would explain success. Obama finally obliged: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help."
In one particularly unfortunate line, Obama said, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." Just like he's going to raise somebody else's taxes, not yours.
Elizabeth Warren, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Massachusetts, made similar comments a few months back: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody." The speech -- which in turn echoes Obama's comments that the rising debt is due to the Bush tax cuts, wars, and the Medicare prescription drug benefit (policies the current president mostly kept in place) -- was wildly popular in progressive circles.
On one level, Obama and Warren are obviously right. No man is an island. People benefit from growing up in strong families or having good teachers. People can be fortunate in the friends and relatives who come into their lives, in the doors of opportunities that open before them. Life isn't always fair. Sometimes good people have bad luck; the opposite is also true.
Does anybody really dispute this? Even many libertarians understand we are not atomistic individuals but social creatures. As George Constanza once reminded his Seinfeld co-star, "We live in a society, Jerry." To the extent that we are talking about government, no serious person is advocating the end of military, police or fire protection. We all benefit from not having the country overrun by foreign attackers.
A 35 percent top marginal tax rate and a premium support model for Medicare isn't the stuff of anarchy. A gradual reduction in the debt-to-GDP ratio over a period of decades isn't some radical rejection of the social contract.
Yet on another level, the president's little lesson is self-evidently absurd. Lots of people attend public schools and have teachers. Very few people become Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. Everybody uses the roads and bridges the factory owner uses to bring his products to market. But not everyone builds a factory.
The tax dollars that paid for those roads, bridges, schools, and teachers didn't just come from "someone else" or the "rest of us." They came from the innovators, the factory owners, and the entrepreneurs too. In 2009, the top 400 taxpayers paid almost as much in federal income taxes as the entire bottom 50 percent combined.
The jobs created and the wages paid by those business owners fueled a lot of the tax payments made by "someone else" and the "rest of us." The taxes imposed on those business owners could help entice them to ship jobs overseas.
Barney Frank is often quoted as saying, "Government is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together." But we do lots of things together apart from government, in families and communities, churches and synagogues, private associations and what Edmund Burke called the "little platoons" of civil society.
The market itself is something we do together. Pace Obama, the market found uses for the Internet that far exceeded anything anticipated by the early government designers. Beyond Al Gore's wildest dreams, is the inconvenient truth. And when the government acts outside of its constitutionally enumerated powers, it may be doing things that none of us freely chose to do together.
Just because government built the Hoover Dam doesn't mean we should celebrate when government blocks the Keystone Pipeline. Just because tax revenues support valuable infrastructure and public safety doesn't mean excessive tax rates can't kill jobs.
By all means, thank your mother or father, a teacher or soldier, a friend or supportive group for contributing to your success. Thank even your lucky stars, if you don't want to cling bitterly to religion and thank Someone Else. But don't belittle personal achievement.
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together," Obama conceded. When the president says, "Yes, we can," it may be worthwhile to ask: "What do you mean 'we,' kemosabe?"
About the Author
W. James Antle, III is associate editor of The American Spectator. You can follow him on Twitter @jimantle.
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Obama's Shaggy Dog Story About the Golden Gate Bridge
Matt Welch | July 17, 2012
http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/17/obamas-shaggy-dog-story-about-the-golden?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reason%2FHitandRun+%28Reason+Online+-+Hit+%26+Run+Blog%29
In President Barack Obama's fairly maligned "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" comments the other day, he also said this:
When we invested in the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge, or the Internet, sending a man to the moon -- all those things benefited everybody. And so that's the vision that I want to carry forward.
To which the engineer W.J.J. Hoge replied:
The federal government did build Hoover Dam. However, the Golden Gate Bridge was funded by a $35 million dollar bond issue by the six counties in the Golden Gate Bridge District. It was a state-authorized project built by a partnership of local governments.
What's more, the conservative commentator Thomas Purcell asserted last November (Obama having been playing the Golden Gate card for a while now), "it was the 'One Percenters', as is the term coined of the rich and powerful these days, that built the Golden Gate, not government. More importantly, it was government that posed more obstacles for the building of the bridge than any other entity and if the Department of Defense had their way it never would have been built at all." More Purcell:
The Department of Defense (then called the Department of War) kicked and screamed saying that the bridge would be dangerous and block the channel from ships going in an out of the Presidio base.
Since the DOD owned the land on either side of the channel, there was no way to build it without Federal approval, and they refused to grant it.
After another year of wrangling, and some heavy support from the fledgling automotive industry lobbying (yes, they had lobbyists back then too), the DOD finally relents and allows construction of the bridge, but only sells the land back to the state commission and does not participate in its construction.
Construction did not go as smoothly as planned. It takes another FIVE years for the government and the architects to come to agreement on the design. Furthermore, Federal contractor unions wanted the contracts to build the bridge and stalled the government on the issue, demanding they take action to halt construction unless they got the contract. Fortunately, local authorities insisted that as part of the contract only local labor would be used instead of Federal union contracts, insuring the area had work during Depression era unemployment.
A second problem in 1929 when the US Stock Market collapsed made for more problems. The Golden Gate committee now has trouble issuing the bond needed for the construction of the bridge, even though the citizens of the surrounding area had put up their own personal lands and farms as collateral. It takes 3 more years and the wealthy President and founder of Bank of America, A.P. Giannini, to personally buy the 35 million dollar bond which he then finances through the bank. Without the bank and the intervention of private industry fueled by personal wealth, again the bridge would not have been built. By 1937 the bridge is completed—and [architect Joseph] Strauss delivers the bridge 1.7 million UNDER budget, using local non-union labor and private contractors.
My biggest problem with the Golden Gate metaphor isn't necessarily the federal vs. state/private distinction, it's that government spending at any level is being confused for the construction of gorgeous, useful bridges. That $35 million during the Depression is worth around $530 million today, or far less than 1 percent of Obama's stimulus package. So, where the hell are our new Golden Gates? What, exactly, has been the return on all this added "investment"?
Government, from the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol, has gotten exponentially more expensive while delivering a fraction of the results. Every dollar that governments spend on every level gets inflated by contracting rules, social engineering, environmental aspirations, and sops to public sector unions. That's the vision that Obama–like so many other politicians–is, through his deeds, carrying forward.
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Hate to tell you this but the Harland Sanders used 105 dollars from his first Social Security Check to build his franchises traveling accross the states. His orginal restaurant was closed due to the highway being built and diverting traffic away from it ::)
In this case....Socialism won. Harland Sanders was bankrupt at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
In other words, Colonel Sanders used the money that was TAKEN FROM HIM, during his working years with his having no say in the matter.
That's like saying that socialism won, because someone started a business with his income tax refund. Socialism didn't win JACK.
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Obama believes success is a gift from government
Examiner ^ | 7-17-12 | Michael Barone
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:54:20 AM by Mikey_1962
Perhaps the rain made the teleprompter unreadable. That's one thought I had on pondering Barack Obama's comments to a rain-soaked rally in Roanoke, Va., last Friday.
Perhaps he didn't really mean what he said. Or perhaps -- as is often the case with people when unanchored from a prepared text -- he revealed what he really thinks.
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back," he began, defending his policy of higher tax rates on high earners. "They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, 'well, it must be because I was just so smart.' There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.' Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
In other words, Steve Jobs didn't make Apple happen. It was the work of a teacher union member -- er, great teacher -- and the government agencies that paved I-280 and El Camino Real that made Apple happen.
High earners don't deserve the money they make, Obama apparently thinks. It's the gift of government, and they shouldn't begrudge handing more of it back to government.
And that's true, as he told Charlie Gibson of ABC News in 2008, even if those higher tax rates produce less revenue for the government, as has been the case with rate increases on capital gains. The government should take away the money as a matter of "fairness."
The cynical might dismiss Obama's preoccupation with higher tax rates as an instance of a candidate dwelling on one of his few proposals that tests well in the polls. Certainly, he doesn't want to talk much about Obamacare or the stimulus package.
Cynics might note that he spurned supercommittee Republicans' willingness last year to reduce tax deductions so as to actually increase revenue from high earners, without discouraging investment or encouraging tax avoidance as higher tax rates do.
But maybe Obama's Captain-Ahab-like pursuit of higher tax rates just comes from a sense that no one earns success and that there's no connection between effort and reward.
That kind of thinking also helps to explain the approach taken by Sen. Patty Murray in a speech at the Brookings Institution on Monday. She wants a tax rate increase on high earners so badly she said she'd prefer raising everyone's taxes next year to maintaining current rates.
Murray was first elected in 1992 as a state legislator, who had been dismissed by a lobbyist as "just a mom in tennis shoes." But in 20 years she's become an accomplished appropriator and earmarker.
"Do no harm," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told members of Congress at a hearing yesterday, urging them to avoid the sharp spending cuts and tax rate increases scheduled for year's end.
But Murray is threatening to do exactly that kind of harm. Those prattling about how irresponsible Republicans are might want to ponder her threat.
And to consider that Republicans remember what happened to the last Republican who agreed to such rate increases, George H.W. Bush in 1990. Seeking re-election in 1992, he won only 37 percent of the vote. Republicans won't risk that again.
The Obama Democrats seem to believe there's no downside risk in threatening huge tax increases for everyone and in asserting that if you're successful "someone else made that happen."
But the Wall Street Journal's Colleen McCain Nelson reported yesterday how affluent Denver suburbanites have soured on Obama. Obama tied John McCain 49 to 49 percent among voters with more than $100,000 income in 2008, but in NBC/WSJ polls this year, they've favored Mitt Romney 50 to 44 percent.
Affluent voters trended Democratic over two decades on cultural issues. But economic issues dominate this year, and they may not appreciate Obama's assertion that they don't deserve what they've earned.
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Obama's Statism vs. the Self-Made Man
By Rich Lowry - July 18, 2012
Via RCP
If Bartlett’s ever puts together a collection of insultingly deflating quotations, it should include President Barack Obama’s take on business success before a crowd in Virginia the other day: “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.”
Obama was explaining — as is his wont — why the rich should pay more taxes. They might have had a great teacher. Or they drive on public roads and bridges. “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that,” the president explained, apparently in the serene confidence that he wasn’t speaking to an audience bristling with proud business owners. “Somebody else made that happen.”
The Obama theory of entrepreneurship is that behind every successful businessman, there is a successful government. Everyone is helpless without the state, the great protector, builder, and innovator. Everything is ultimately a collective enterprise. Individual initiative is only an ingredient in the more important work when “we do things together.”
The Obama riff is a direct steal from Elizabeth Warren, the Democratic Senate candidate in Massachusetts who sent liberal hearts aflutter by throwing the same wet towel on the notion of individual success a few months ago. The Obama/Warren view is a warrant for socialization of the proceeds of success. Behind its faux sophistication is a faculty-lounge disdain for business, and all those who make more than tenured professors by excelling at it. Behind its smiley we’re-all-in-it-together façade is a frank demand: You owe us.
For that most American figure of the self-made man, exemplified most famously by Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln, President Obama wants to substitute the figure of the guy who happened to get lucky while not paying his fair share in taxes. What a dreary and pinched view of human endeavor. What a telling insight into his animating philosophy. In his Virginia remarks, greeted with warm applause, Obama took down a notch anyone who has made it: “I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”
True enough, and we should value the dignity of all work, no matter how humble. But the hallmark of the man of extraordinary accomplishment isn’t simply work. Some of us may work as hard as Steve Jobs. Few of us are as single-minded, risk-taking, shrewd, or visionary. Millions of us could work twelve-hour days for years yet never come up with the idea for the iPad, let alone successfully manufacture and market it.
To redefine Steve Jobs as the product of the (necessary and unremarkable) infrastructure and government services around him is to devalue human creativity. The Obama formulation goes something like this: Steve Jobs couldn’t get to work every day without roads; he couldn’t drive safely on those roads without a well-regulated system of driver’s licenses; ergo, the San Jose, Calif., DMV practically built Apple.
And the likes of Steve Jobs had better pay higher taxes to fund the foundations of their greatness. Needless to say, no man is an island. We are a product of our families, schools, and churches. Without the liberty and rule of law that characterize America, entrepreneurship would indeed be impossible. Any successful American who is not a patriot is a rank ingrate. But the president believes that among the highest expressions of patriotism are a 39.6 percent top individual tax rate and a 25 percent capital-gains rate.
There are few phrases that President Obama likes less than “on your own.” He considers it a lie when people think they’ve made it on their own, and he thinks that the most damning thing that can be said about the Republican vision is that it will leave people on their own. For him, “we’re in this together,” and the inspiring institution embodying that togetherness is none other than the Internal Revenue Service.
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Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review.
© 2012 King Features Syndicate
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The government funded Apple's garage laboratory where the company got started. ::)
The Apple II wasn't the best computer at the time. The Atari 800, Commodore Pet, and the IBM computer was around as well. Apple won the government contract and the rest is history.....Apple II computers were in every classroom....some of them still there to this day. There's no telling what might have occurred without Apple winning that government contract
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July 16. 2012 6:46PM
Obama to entrepreneurs: Your success belongs to the state
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120717/OPINION01/707179995/1004/opinion
President Obama has transitioned from “the private sector is doing fine” to “there is no private sector.” That is the gist of the argument he made in a campaign speech in the critical swing state of Virginia on Friday.
Speaking of American entrepreneurs, Obama said, “Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Obama explained his theory this way: “...look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, ‘Well, it must be because I was just so smart.’ There are a lot of smart people out there. ‘It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.’ Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.”
He mentioned teachers, firefighters and builders of roads as examples of those who are responsible for the success of America’s entrepreneurs. The economic illiteracy of the President’s thinking is staggering.
“The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together,” Obama said.
The point, though, is pointless. Of course successful businesses rely on roads and schools and firefighters. So do businesses that fail. But the existence of public infrastructure does not explain the difference between successful entreprenuers and failed ones. The difference is born from the very thing President Obama attempts to downplay almost to the point of denying it — the hard work, resourcefulness, creativity and ingenuity of those who persist until they succeed.
Under Obama’s formulation — “You didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen” — All private success is nonexistent. There is only the glory of the state, as expressed through collective action. The ditch digger and social worker share equally in the success of the small-business owner and the tycoon. Therefore, they deserve an equal, or at least much larger, share of the fruits of the entrepreneurs’ labor.
This is the thinking of a man who views businesses as entities to be milked for the good of the collective. This is the message he intends to try to sell in New Hampshire, where New Englanders often flee to start their own businesses because their home states tax and regulate too much. Good luck with that message, Mr. President.
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no, I am using an absurd analogy to expose absurdity of obamas analogy.
If a communist like Obama wants to credit teachers w the success of business people who are successful why not equally. Give them blame for the failures?
Well - like I said before, it is a shame your life has been so void of people helping you out.
I would totally agree that if a teacher abused a child and the child became an axe murderer, then the teacher should be given blame.
As Obama says, there may be a teacher that sticks in your mind. As I said, I had 3 teachers that had a huge impact on me and my life. These people did indeed play a part in my success.
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Well - like I said before, it is a shame your life has been so void of people helping you out.
I would totally agree that if a teacher abused a child and the child became an axe murderer, then the teacher should be given blame.
As Obama says, there may be a teacher that sticks in your mind. As I said, I had 3 teachers that had a huge impact on me and my life. These people did indeed play a part in my success.
Fine, and teachers who sucked ass should equally be given blame. can't have it both ways!
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He's right.
Lol. where does the govt get the money to "invest" from?
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Lol. where does the govt get the money to "invest" from?
It's not an issue of original causation. It's about a common misconception of individualism that ignores the principle of reciprocity. Hart discussed this in his paper "Are there any Natural Rights?" At least thats the way I took it.
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It's not an issue of original causation. It's about a common misconception of individualism that ignores the principle of reciprocity. Hart discussed this in his paper "Are there any Natural Rights?" At least thats the way I took it.
I don't owe the govt or obama anything. He and his communist thugs can go f themselves. We pay ridiculous taxes already to fund he saintly govt.
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I don't owe the govt or obama anything. He and his communist thugs can go f themselves. We pay ridiculous taxes already to fund he saintly govt.
that begs some very important questions. It deserves more attention than I'm willing to give on a getbig post. Let's just say we should be careful not to oversimplify complex issues.
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that begs some very important questions. It deserves more attention than I'm willing to give on a getbig post. Let's just say we should be careful not to oversimplify complex issues.
we pay energy tax, gas tax, real estate tax, sales tax, estate tax, income tax, fines, tickets, surcharges , penalties, etc for all the things Obama wants us to grovel for.
He is full of shit as is Liz warren, as are the leftists.
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that begs some very important questions. It deserves more attention than I'm willing to give on a getbig post. Let's just say we should be careful not to oversimplify complex issues.
I dont feel anyone owes the government anything. I do, however, feel that we owe it to ourselves and our fellow citizens to pay taxes to keep certain things going, such as Infrastructure, Police, Firefighters, necessary Government functions, etc.
Thats the only reason to pay taxes IMHO. I think its horseshit that our politicans act like we need to give them our money to make everything fair for everyone, thats not their fucking job.
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Like I said...without those government school contracts, Apple would have been just a memory. There were a number of computers at the time that were superior to the Apple II
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Like I said...without those government school contracts, Apple would have been just a memory. There were a number of computers at the time that were superior to the Apple II
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And WP the ghetto thug 95ers Rikers Island would not exist.
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I think its horseshit that our politicans act like we need to give them our money to make everything fair for everyone, thats not their fucking job.
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Fine, and teachers who sucked ass should equally be given blame. can't have it both ways!
Correct.
You give credit where it is due.
Just like Obama says in his speech.
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I don't owe the govt or obama anything. He and his communist thugs can go f themselves. We pay ridiculous taxes already to fund he saintly govt.
Obamas government was not responsible for your education.
Or the roads you drive on.
Or 99.999999999999999999% of the infrastructure you use.
Or the staff that you would have hired if you'd built a business instead of posting here.
Nor is Obama claiming credit for these things.
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Without business first and taxpayers, govt has no money to do those things. Thus obama is full of shit.
Obamas government was not responsible for your education.
Or the roads you drive on.
Or 99.999999999999999999% of the infrastructure you use.
Or the staff that you would have hired if you'd built a business instead of posting here.
Nor is Obama claiming credit for these things.
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I have been showing this video to obama supporters non fucking stop. I have already changed a couple of voters. This video is gonna be great for romney!! Hahahahahahaha romney 2012!!!!!!!!
I am already signed for "Lawyers for Romney" and have gotten two other Lawyer buddies on board.
They are horrified by this communist bullshit.
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Everyone i have talked to and showed them this they have been disgusted with it. If they dont agree that it is socialist propoganda. They certainly agree that is class warfare and pandering and dangerous.
Well your neighbors in the trailor park isnt exactly Einsteins so i wouldnt take it so seriously
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If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own”
Obama’s insult to successful business people applies best to him
- Judi McLeod Thursday, July 19, 2012
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If there’s anyone who didn’t get there on his own, it is not the entrepreneur but the man who was parachuted in as the 44th president of the United States of America.
Shamefully and regrettably, the man who gave himself the name of Barack (from Barry) Obama (from Soetoro) is the hired hand longtime malcontents among the revolutionary radicals ever fomenting for revolution chose as their best chance to take down America.
Obama’s recent insult to business people working in America: “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own” applies, more perfectly to him than to anyone else.
With no accomplishments of note, no qualifications for the job at hand and no record to prove otherwise, those working to smother America decided Obama had the best makeup with which to con media and malcontents alike. All the haughty and taunting deeds in his self-proclaimed past were written up as an intro in an ‘autobiography’, bought up by a book publisher without question. The braggadocio of his past, including printed, below-the-belt insults to his maternal grandmother described as a “typical white person”, and the endless marijuana smoke rings he puffed as a boasted “choomer” were tossed at readers of Dreams From My Father—but the true factoids of his life conveniently kept under lock and key.
Lazy, self-centered to the core and conceited beyond belief, Obama never pulled himself up by his own bootstraps during any stage of his life. He snapped all favours and privileges put his way by other people like himself—Valerie Jarrett, protected by Chicago sewer politics as a slum landlord; unrepentant domestic terrorists, like Bill Ayers, who threw his former workmate a key campaign fundraiser that brought all the malcontents, including billionaire George Soros, under the Messiah Tent.
“Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own…“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen…” are probably the truest words ever uttered by Barack Hussein Obama.
Other than writing off everybody else’s success story, Obama’s words describe exactly what happened to him and the overbearing Michelle. “Somebody else” made this deadly duo happen. With no work on their part, only activist talent, not a scrap of altruism and not a thought for anyone else, they accepted those “roads and bridges” to instant success without a second look back.
“I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart,” Obama told an applauding crowd in Virginia. Obama’s not smart unless it’s trained-seal smart.
“It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”
Obama would rather play golf, shoot hoops, holiday or pontificate on university campus or in school yards to captive student audiences than really work. He knows down deep he doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting, but fortunately many other folk know it too.
It is finally with the voice of experience that Obama tells us “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get their on your own. Nobody, more full of negative air for America, or a bigger danger to the good of people still living in freedom and liberty ever climbed so far in life.
Everyone should think of these words every time they see Obama on television; every time his picture crops up. “Barack Obama didn’t get there on his own.”
Obama got there because somebody bearing malice toward America along the line was always there to offer him help. For once you get through the astroturf hype, Obama is nothing but an on-the-take hired hand of the revolutionary radicals who want to take down America.
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Obama Believes Success Is a Gift From Government
By Michael Barone - July 19, 2012
Perhaps the rain made the teleprompter unreadable. That's one thought I had on pondering Barack Obama's comments to a rain-soaked rally in Roanoke, Va., last Friday.
Perhaps he didn't really mean what he said. Or perhaps -- as is often the case with people -- when unanchored from a prepared text he revealed what he really thinks.
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back," he began, defending his policy of higher tax rates on high earners. "They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
In other words, Steve Jobs didn't make Apple happen. It was the work of a teacher union member -- er, great teacher -- and the government agencies that paved I-280 and El Camino Real that made Apple happen.
High earners don't deserve the money they make, Obama apparently thinks. It's the gift of government, and they shouldn't begrudge handing more of it back to government.
And that's true, as he told Charlie Gibson of ABC News in 2008, even if those higher tax rates produce less revenue for the government, as has been the case with rate increases on capital gains. The government should take away the money as a matter of "fairness."
The cynical might dismiss Obama's preoccupation with higher tax rates as an instance of a candidate dwelling on one of his few proposals that tests well in the polls. Certainly he doesn't want to talk much about Obamacare or the stimulus package.
Cynics might note that he spurned super-committee Republicans' willingness last year to reduce tax deductions so as to actually increase revenue from high earners, without discouraging investment or encouraging tax avoidance as higher tax rates do.
But maybe Obama's Captain-Ahab-like pursuit of higher tax rates just comes from a sense that no one earns success and that there's no connection between effort and reward.
That kind of thinking also helps to explain the approach taken by Sen. Patty Murray in a speech at the Brookings Institution Monday. She wants a tax rate increase on high earners so badly she said she'd prefer raising everyone's taxes next year to maintaining current rates.
Murray was first elected in 1992 as a state legislator who had been dismissed by a lobbyist as "just a mom in tennis shoes." But in 20 years she's become an accomplished appropriator and earmarker.
"Do no harm," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told members of Congress at a hearing yesterday, urging them to avoid the sharp spending cuts and tax rate increases scheduled for year's end.
But Murray is threatening to do exactly that kind of harm. Those prattling about how irresponsible Republicans are might want to ponder her threat.
And to consider that Republicans remember what happened to the last Republican who agreed to such rate increases, George H.W. Bush in 1990. Seeking re-election in 1992, he won only 37 percent of the vote. Republicans won't risk that again.
The Obama Democrats seem to believe that there's no downside risk in threatening huge tax increases for everyone and in asserting that if you're successful "someone else made that happen."
But The Wall Street Journal's Catherine McCain Nelson reported yesterday how affluent Denver suburbanites have soured on Obama. Obama tied John McCain 49 to 49 percent among voters over $100,000 income in 2008, but in NBC/WSJ polls this year they've favored Mitt Romney 50 to 44 percent.
Affluent voters trended Democratic over two decades on cultural issues. But economic issues dominate this year, and they may not appreciate Obama's assertion that they don't deserve what they've earned.
Copyright 2012, Creators Syndicate Inc.
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You Didn't Sweat, He Did
Constructing a sentence is hard work when you're the World's Greatest Orator..
By JAMES TARANTO
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that." If the World's Greatest Orator turns out to be a one-term president, it is likely to go down as the most memorable utterance of his career. Mitt Romney certainly hopes that happens. HotAir.com's Ed Morrissey has highlights of Mitt Romney's response, in a speech yesterday at Irwin, Pa.:
The idea to say that Steve Jobs didn't build Apple, that Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motor, that Papa John didn't build Papa John Pizza, that Ray Kroc didn't build McDonald's, that Bill Gates didn't build Microsoft, you go on the list, that Joe and his colleagues didn't build this enterprise, to say something like that is not just foolishness, it is insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America, and it's wrong.
And by the way, the president's logic doesn't just extend to the entrepreneurs that start a barber shop or a taxi operation or an oil field service business like this and a gas service business like this, it also extends to everybody in America that wants to lift themself [sic] up a little further, that goes back to school to get a degree and see if they can get a little better job, to somebody who wants to get some new skills and get a little higher income, to somebody who have, may have dropped out that decides to get back in school and go for it. . . . The president would say, well you didn't do that. You couldn't have gotten to school without the roads that government built for you. You couldn't have gone to school without teachers. So you didn't, you are not responsible for that success. President Obama attacks success and therefore under President Obama we have less success and I will change that.
I've got to be honest, I don't think anyone could have said what he said who had actually started a business or been in a business. And my own view is that what the President said was both startling and revealing. I find it extraordinary that a philosophy of that nature would be spoken by a president of the United States. It goes to something that I have spoken about from the beginning of the campaign. That this election is, to a great degree, about the soul of America. Do we believe in an America that is great because of government or do we believe in an America that is great because of free people allowed to pursue their dreams and build our future?
There's a website called didntbuildthat.com with a variety of hilarious treatments of the Obama philosophy. Of course, whoever's running the site didn't build that. As he acknowledges, Al Gore did. And hey, remember Julia, Barack Obama's composite girlfriend? At 42, she starts a Web business. Under President Obama, she didn't build that.
Obama may be God's gift to comedy, but Romney is right that the philosophical stakes here are serious. The president's remark was a direct attack on the principle of individual responsibility, the foundation of American freedom. If "you didn't build that," then you have no moral claim to it, and those with political power are morally justified in taking it away and using it to buy more political power. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama said in another candid moment, in 2008.
This isn't even Obama's only such revelatory comment of the past week. Politico.com reports that the president, in an interview with WTOL-TV of Toledo, Ohio, let the mask slip again when asked about the ObamaCare mandate tax. "It's less a tax or a penalty than it is a principle--which is you can't be a freeloader on other folks when it comes to your health care, if you can afford it," he said.
Of course this is a dodge. The administration claimed that the mandate was not a tax for political purposes but was a tax for legal purposes. Chief Justice John Roberts tied himself in knots to accept the argument Obama is now running away from. Between them, the solicitor general and the chief justice look as if they were too clever by 1.
What's objectionable about Obama's comment, however, is not "tax" or "penalty" or even "principle." It's the way he uses the word "freeloader."
Normally we think of a freeloader as somebody who sponges off others, which in the context of public policy means the government. A freeloader is an able-bodied welfare recipient, or someone who fakes a disability to collect Supplemental Security income, or who waits until his unemployment runs out before looking for a job.
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The sweat of his brow made America great.
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Now, think about how the ObamaCare mandate tax is structured. As Roberts noted in his opinion for the court in NFIB v. Sebelius, "It does not apply to individuals who do not pay federal income taxes because their household income is less than the filing threshold in the Internal Revenue Code. For taxpayers who do owe the payment, its amount is determined by such familiar factors as taxable income, number of dependents, and joint filing status."
The only people who pay the ObamaCare mandate tax are people who make a living. Actual freeloaders are exempt. What Obama calls a freeloader is someone who makes his own money and pays his taxes but does not spend his money in the government-approved way.
The Obama campaign hotly disputes Romney's contention that the president meant what he said. A "fact check" from the Obama-Biden "Truth Team" (formerly Attack Watch) claims that Romney "is taking President Obama's words out of context" to produce "a complete distortion." Here is the full context, as presented by the Truth Team:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
The Team then explains: "The President's full remarks show that the 'that' in 'you didn't build that' clearly refers to roads and bridges--public infrastructure we count on the government to build and maintain."
That's bunk, and not only because "business" is more proximate to the pronoun "that" and therefore its more likely antecedent. The Truth Team's interpretation is ungrammatical. "Roads and bridges" is plural; "that" is singular. If the Team is right about Obama's meaning, he should have said, "You didn't build those."
Barack Obama is supposed to be the World's Greatest Orator, the smartest man in the world. Yet his campaign asks us to believe he is not even competent to construct a sentence.
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http://didntbuildthat.com/page/2
some real funny ones here.
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CNN Four Days Late to Obama's Infamous 'You Didn't Build That' Remark
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Posted on July 19, 2012 9:31:43 PM EDT by chessplayer
Four days after President Obama insulted job creators by asserting "If you've got a business, you didn't build that; somebody else made that happen," CNN finally reported the controversial remarks, and only once the Romney campaign featured them in a campaign attack.
The three major networks shared the same double standard when it came to ignoring Obama's quote, but CNN is a 24-hour news network and it did not touch the story all through the weekend.
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CNN Four Days Late to Obama's Infamous 'You Didn't Build That' Remark
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Posted on July 19, 2012 9:31:43 PM EDT by chessplayer
Four days after President Obama insulted job creators by asserting "If you've got a business, you didn't build that; somebody else made that happen," CNN finally reported the controversial remarks, and only once the Romney campaign featured them in a campaign attack.
The three major networks shared the same double standard when it came to ignoring Obama's quote, but CNN is a 24-hour news network and it did not touch the story all through the weekend.
they ignored it because they would knew what he was talking about so they would look like morons (such as you do ever day) by pretending it meant someting else
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they ignored it because they would knew what he was talking about so they would look like morons (such as you do ever day) by pretending it meant someting else
Ghettobama is getting destroyed over ths.
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Ghettobama is getting destroyed over ths.
aren't you the guy who said Obama was going to withdraw before the election and then said the Dems would throw him out at the convention and run Hilary ?
what about that press conference by that bat shit crazy sheriff
wasn't that the end for Obama
or Solyndra or Fast and Furious
or the ornaments on the White House Christmas tree
or that he boned white chicks in college?
you really have no clue how nuts you are
nuttiness and a large dose of unfocused anger
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romney took it out of context in a big way. have you seen the original line?
I posted some funny pics about it here.... but now I feel stupid for doing so. It was taken out of context, and Romney campaign actually called it 'persuasive art"
LOL... so yeah, he didn't say that, he was very clear and romney commercial cut it bad. I feel stupid for believing it.
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Ghettobama is getting destroyed over ths.
Yes or no dont you fell embarressed when your TV network take something out of context and you are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon ???
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Yes or no dont you fell embarressed when your TV network take something out of context and you are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon ???
It was not out of context. No matter what context it was it's total crap from the choomer in chief.
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It was not out of context. No matter what context it was it's total crap from the choomer in chief.
If you cant fucking read stop posting in the political forum.
No wonder you hate schools and teachers so much they didnt teach you shit.
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Editorial: If you 'didn't build that,' they can take it2012-07-19 16:04:41
http://www.ocregister.com/common/printer/view.php?db=ocregister&id=364594
President Barack Obama, who promised to transform America, told a campaign gathering this week, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
Whether you take his words at face value or prefer to infer he simply meant government can help businesses by building bridges and roads, the president's speech was troubling.
Implicit in the president's message is that private individuals and privately held companies are not sufficient. Big Government is the engine that pulls the train, in his view.
The National Review's Rich Lowry captures the president's economic philosophy succinctly: "The Obama theory of entrepreneurship is that behind every successful businessman, there is a successful government. Everyone is helpless without the state, the great protector, builder and innovator. Everything is ultimately a collective enterprise."
On even a superficial level, this economic understanding is greatly flawed, and insulting, as Mr. Obama's presumptive Republican opponent in the fall pointed out.
"The idea to say that Steve Jobs didn't build Apple, that Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motor ... to say something like that is not just foolishness, it is insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America, and it's wrong," Mitt Romney said.
On a deeper level, Mr. Obama's vision of what made America great reveals how he would further transform an economy that already has seen his bailouts of the auto and banking industries, the federalization of health care insurance and contrived creation of profitless green industries, all at great cost but with little to show for it.
"The president's remark was a direct attack on the principle of individual responsibility, the foundation of American freedom," writes the Wall Street Journal's James Taranto. "If 'you didn't build that,' then you have no moral claim to it, and those with political power are morally justified in taking it away and using it to buy more political power."
As Mr.Taranto reminds, it was candidate Obama who said in an earlier moment of candor, "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
What is indispensible in the American economy isn't government. Even roads and bridges can be built by without government. But government can't build roads and bridges without private peoples' money.
Private industry can flourish without government regulations, taxation and other interference. But government regulators and tax collectors can't even exist without private individuals and companies to regulate and tax.
The president should have said: "If you've got a business – you did build that. Somebody in the government just made it more difficult for you to do it."
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Krauthammer: Obama's Philosophy Is "Government As The Root Of American Success"
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: That is the process but the content here is utterly damning. I mean, Romney said it's not a gaffe. A gaffe defined in Washington is when a politician accidentally speaks what is really in his heart. This is his political philosophy. And it's elaborated. I don't care about that one sentence, al though I would say I disagree with Steve [Hayes] that one sentence as I just heard it, and as anybody looking at it would see in print, that you build, 'that' is a reference to person's idea he built his own business. It is not a reference to roads and bridges.
But let's look at the whole context and let's ignore that one sentence. He starts with a mocking reference to people who succeed believing it might have something to do with intelligence or hard work. Sort of laughing at them.
So he is mocking people, a Korean immigrant who works 16 hours a day in a candy store and he builds it and he sends his kids to college with that, you know, with the money he finally makes 20 years later. Or a physician in medical school, you know, who goes 60 or 80-hour weeks, works hard and then in his 50s, begins reaping the rewards of his work. That is number one. Secondly, everybody he says who helped you along the way. It's no accident everybody in his example is an agent of the government. It's either a teacher, or a road, or a bridge, or the internet, which he says incorrectly was invented by the government so we could create opportunities in the marketplace.
It's all government. And this is his philosophy that government is the root of the success, individual and national and it's not individual enterprise -- he has to some extent to individual enterprise. But anybody who thinks it's that, obviously is rewarding himself in a way that is undeserved, it's the government. And that's the heart of his philosophy. That is the real real division between left and right in the country. That's why Romney ought to hit it everyday until election day.
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Cronyism Built That
Dem donors rake in billions under Obama administration
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BY: Andrew Stiles - July 18, 2012 5:00 am
President Obama’s record of rewarding political donors with taxpayer dollars and plum administration posts is facing a new round of scrutiny thanks to GOP challenger Mitt Romney’s effort to make it a central issue of the campaign.
“[President Obama] thinks it’s his right to give taxpayer money to those who have supported him financially,” former Gov. John Sununu (R., N.H.) said Tuesday on a conference call hosted by the Romney campaign. “It’s insulting to hard-working entrepreneurs who really do create jobs.”
The most publicized instance of so-called “crony capitalism”—investing taxpayer dollars in firms tied to political donors—is the failed solar panel company Solyndra. The Fremont, Calif., firm was the first to receive a taxpayer-backed loan guarantee from the Department of Energy (DOE) in September 2009, worth more than $530 million. The funding for the loan was allocated in the controversial stimulus package passed earlier that year.
Obama bundler George Kaiser was a major stakeholder in Solyndra through his Kaiser Family Foundation, and made several trips to the White House in March 2009 to meet with senior administration officials. In July 2009, Kaiser bragged about securing face time with “all the key players in the West Wing of the White House,” as well as his “almost unique advantage” when it came to steering taxpayer funds toward his pet causes.
“There’s never been more money shoved out of the government’s door in world history, and probably never will be again, than in the last few months and in the next 18 months,” Kaiser told members of the Tulsa Rotary Club. “And our selfish parochial goal is to get as much as it for Tulsa and Oklahoma as we possibly can.”
Although things did not pan out for Solyndra—the company filed for bankruptcy in September 2011—Kaiser can expect to see a better return on his investment than American taxpayers. As part of an agreement to restructure Solyndra’s loan agreement in 2010, Obama’s DOE granted priority status to private investors like Kaiser with respect to the first $75 million recovered in the event of the firm’s bankruptcy, a move that many suspect violated federal law.
Taxpayers, meanwhile, are unlikely to recover much of the money invested on their behalf.
Emails uncovered by Congressional investigators reveal that Solyndra helped secure its $535 million loan guarantee with the help of Steve Spinner, another prominent Obama donor. After bundling more than $500,000 for Obama in 2008, Spinner was named to the White House transition team and later served as “chief strategic operations officer” of the DOE loan program that funded Solyndra.
Spinner’s wife Allison worked for a law firm that represented Solyndra and several other green energy outfits that applied for taxpayer funding. Records show that her firm, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, received $2.4 million in federal funds in legal fees associated with Solyndra’s loan application.
Spinner left the administration in September 2010 to become a senior fellow at the left-wing Center for American Progress, and has already bundled more than $500,000 for the president’s reelection campaign.
Solyndra is just one of many examples of quid pro quo in the DOE loans program; even the liberal Washington Post editorial board has described it as a “real scandal.”
“You can call it crony capitalism or venture socialism—but by whatever name, the Energy Department’s loan guarantee program privatizes profits and socializes losses,” the paper wrote in November 2011.
More than 70 percent of DOE and loans under Obama went to Democratic donors and bundlers, Peter Schweizer reported in Throw Them All Out.
A confidential 2009 memo authored by former White House economic adviser Larry Summers paints a damning picture of the administration’s approach to crafting the stimulus package.
“The short-run economic imperative was to identify as many campaign promises or high priority items that would spend out quickly and be inherently temporary,” Summers wrote. “The stimulus package is a key tool for advancing clean energy goals and fulfilling a number of campaign commitments.”
In several cases, including Solyndra, advancing the president’s green energy agenda went hand in hand with providing financial payoffs to prominent campaign donors.
California investment guru John Doerr, for example, has personally contributed more than $170,000 to Democratic campaigns and committees since 2008, and more than $2 million over the past 20 years. His investment firm, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB), which lists former Vice President Al Gore as a partner, has given more than $1 million to Democrats since 2005.
An early and outspoken advocate for federal investment in “green” technology, Doerr was named to the president’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board in 2009, where he helped craft the $787 billion stimulus package. Of the 27 companies list in KPCB’s “green-tech” portfolio, 16 received some form of taxpayer support.
Another prominent Obama donor who has benefitted handsomely from the president’s policies is Steve Westly. A frequent guest at White House events and state dinners, Westley served as California co-chair and a National Finance Committee member of Obama’s 2008 campaign and currently sits on the DOE’s Energy Advisory Board.
He has bundled at least $700,000 in campaign donations for Obama since 2008 and personally given about $260,000 to Democratic campaigns and committees since 2007.
Westly’s investment firm, the Westly Group, had a financial stake in four green energy companies that received more than half a billion dollars in federal funding in 2009. The group’s website once touted the firm as being “uniquely positioned” to take advantage of the influx of taxpayer funding in green technology, and currently notes that “To win in the clean technology space, a company must navigate the halls of government.”
Westly has openly acknowledged that knowledge of federal policy is key to investing in green technology. In response to a reporter’s question about which green energy companies he likes to invest in, Westly said: “Who cares what I think. Let’s talk about ‘what does Obama like? Here’s what he likes,’ because here’s where the federal government is putting money. And let me tell you, whatever he likes, that’s what I like.”
One of the companies Obama “liked” was the Exelon Corporation, a Chicago-based utility and recipient of hundreds of millions of dollars in stimulus funding. One of the most politically connected firms in the country, Exelon employees have made up one of President Obama’s top sources of campaign contributions throughout his career.
Exelon was Obama’s fourth-largest campaign donor when he ran for Senate in 2004, contributing more than $73,000, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The firm donated $326,000 to Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008. The firm has ties to several top Obama bundlers, as well as to Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod and former White House chief of staff and current Chicago mayor Rahm Emmanuel.
As the Washington Free Beacon reported in June, an Exelon subsidiary was recently awarded a lucrative 20-year contract to install solar panels manufactured by federal inmates on government facilities.
Such cronyism is not exclusive to the green energy sector. DreamWorks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg has bundled at least $500,000 for Obama’s reelection campaign, and is the largest contributor to Priorities USA, the Obama-allied Super PAC.
The Securities and Exchange Commission is currently investigating whether DreamWorks made illegal payments to Chinese officials in order to secure exclusive film rights in the communist nation. The New York Times reported that Katzenberg, as well as Vice President Joe Biden, were intimately involved in negotiating an agreement under which China would up its annual quota of foreign-produced films from 20 to 34 and allow studios to keep a greater percentage of box-office revenue.
DreamWorks announced a $2 billion deal with the Chinese government in February to build a production studio in Shanghai just days after Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping held an extensive meeting with Barack Obama in Washington, D.C.
Obama’s penchant for crony capitalism, critics say, explains his comment over the weekend that “If you’ve got a business, you did not build that—somebody else made that happen.”
“He thinks that government is there to pick who should succeed and who should fail,” Sununu said on the conference call. “It’s in his political genes.”
“Big government lends itself to big cronyism,” said political analyst Jay Cost. “In Obama’s legislation, we see vast payoffs to interest groups that have benefitted the Democratic Party.”
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Trashing Achievements
By Thomas Sowell - July 20, 2012
There was a time, within living memory, when the achievements of others were not only admired but were often taken as an inspiration for imitation of the same qualities that had served these achievers well, even if we were not in the same field of endeavor and were not expecting to achieve on the same scale.
The perseverance of Thomas Edison, as he tried scores of materials for the filament of the light bulb he was inventing; the dedication of Abraham Lincoln as he studied law on his own while struggling to make a living -- these were things young people were taught to admire, even if they had no intention of becoming inventors or lawyers, much less President of the United States.
Somewhere along the way, all that changed. Today, the very concept of achievement is de-emphasized and sometimes attacked. Following in the footsteps of Barack Obama, Professor Elizabeth Warren of Harvard has made the downgrading of high achievers the centerpiece of her election campaign against Senator Scott Brown.
To cheering audiences, Professor Warren says, "there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You build a factory out there, good for you, but I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers that the rest of us paid to educate."
Do the people who cheer this kind of talk bother to stop and think through what she is saying? Or is heady rhetoric enough for them?
People who run businesses are benefitting from things paid for by others? Since when are people in business, or high-income earners in general, exempt from paying taxes like everybody else?
At a time when a small fraction of high-income taxpayers pay the vast majority of all the taxes collected, it is sheer chutzpah to depict high-income earners as somehow being subsidized by "the rest of us," whether in paying for the building of roads or the educating of the young.
Since everybody else uses the roads and the schools, why should high achievers be expected to feel like free loaders who owe still more to the government, because schools and roads are among the things that facilitate their work? According to Elizabeth Warren, because it is part of an "underlying social contract."
Conjuring up some mythical agreement that nobody saw, much less signed, is an old ploy on the left -- one that goes back at least a century, when Herbert Croly, the first editor of The New Republic magazine, wrote a book titled "The Promise of American Life."
Whatever policy Herbert Croly happened to favor was magically transformed by rhetoric into a "promise" that American society was supposed to have made -- and, implicitly, that American taxpayers should be forced to pay for. This pious hokum was so successful politically that all sorts of "social contracts" began to appear magically in the rhetoric of the left.
If talking in this mystical way is enough to get you control of billions of dollars of the taxpayers' hard-earned money, why not?
Certainly someone who claimed to be part Indian, as Elizabeth Warren did when applying for academic appointments in an affirmative action environment, is unlikely to be squeamish about using imaginative words during a political election campaign.
Sadly, this kind of cute use of words is not confined to one political candidate or to this election year. The very concept of achievement is a threat to the vision of the left, and has long been attacked by those on the left.
People who succeed -- whether in business or anywhere else -- are often said to be "privileged," even if they started out poor and worked their way up the hard way.
Outcome differences are called "class" differences. Thus when two white women, who came from families in very similar social and economic circumstances, made different decisions and got different results, this was the basis for a front-page story titled "Two Classes, Divided by 'I Do'" in the July 15th issue of the N.Y Times. Personal responsibility, whether for achievement or failure, is a threat to the whole vision of the left, and a threat the left goes all-out to combat, using rhetoric uninhibited by reality.
Copyright 2012, Creators Syndicate Inc.
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It was not out of context. No matter what context it was it's total crap from the choomer in chief.
of course it was only you're too fucking stupid to understand it
the best part is that Romney put out an out of context attack ad which includes clips of Romney speaking at a bus and truck repair shop and one of the owners in the shop who appeared in the ad goes on Neal Cavuto and actually admits he agrees with what Obama said about "getting help"
fucking hilarous
I'm sure Cavuto thought he was tossing this guy a softball and he goes off for 45 seconds about how what Obama said was correct
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/vp/48252644#48252644
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of course it was only you're too fucking stupid to understand it
the best part is that Romney put out an out of context attack ad which includes clips of Romney speaking at a bus and truck repair shop and one of the owners in the shop who appeared in the ad goes on Neal Cavuto and actually admits he agrees with what Obama said about "getting help"
fucking hilarous
I'm sure Cavuto thought he was tossing this guy a softball and he goes off for 45 seconds about how what Obama said was correct
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/vp/48252644#48252644
The context even obama thought he was conveying is full of shit too.
Without money from business and taxpayerS' PRODUCTIVE ENDEAVORS, there is no money for obama to spend.
And BTW - Cuba, USSR, NK, had teachers, roads and bridges too remember?
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The context even obama thought he was conveying is full of shit too.
Without money from business and taxpayerS' PRODUCTIVE ENDEAVORS, there is no money for obama to spend.
And BTW - Cuba, USSR, NK, had teachers, roads and bridges too remember?
Romney has said the exact same things as Obama on this subject and so does the person who appears in Romneys attack ad
clearly this guy understood the context
why can't you figure it out
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Hahahahahahahaha obama has to lie about his true ideology in order to get elected. Every time he lets it slip he realizes americans reject socialism and do not want to help facilitate his workingclass revolution. He will go back to lying about it and pretending to be something he isnt, an american christian, in oreder to get elected. Hahahahahaha straw homo is a one trick pony. Turn everything around and attack attack attack. Stop defending your argument against this socialist piece of shit and just keep attacking barry soetero on the real things.
Khalid al mansour
Frank marshall davis
His background
His marxist rehtoric
His anti white views
LOL - another closet case on this board
who are you 333's retarded cousin?
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Tell us more about how you hate retards
never said I hated retards such as yourself
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You use it as a slur. Which some people find very insulting. Very enlightened for a neo liberal progressive ::)
Do you make fun of people with other disabilities too?
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LOL @ says the guy who loves the constitution but wants to throw political opponents into a woodchipper, and could laugh at a terror attack:
If a nuke went off in DC and took out all of these criminals and traitors, I would celebrate loudly.
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You use it as a slur. Which some people find very insulting. Very enlightened for a neo liberal progressive ::)
Do you make fun of people with other disabilities too?
I use it as a colloquial term for idiots such as yourself
Spare me the phony claim of being offended since you obviously have no problem using the term homo and I'm sure I can go through your other moronic posts and find similar examples
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LOL @ says the guy who loves the constitution but wants to throw political opponents into a woodchipper, and could laugh at a terror attack:
You know - your right - nuking the traitors would probably be too nice a way to deal w them.
I would prefer taking them and dropping them into kenya, zimbabwe, cuba, north korea, or somalia w $100 and nothing else and letting them go create their wonderful societies over there w the agreement that they never be allowed to return.
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July 18, 2012
Ok, so now back to whether Obama's birth certificate is real or whether he was either a "professor" or "instructor" at the University of Chicago ::)
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Im not offended. I support your right to say anything you want. It is progressives like you that want to limit free speech. And attack people for being biggots. Some people indeed find that insulting, i am not one of them. It just expose you as someone who uses retard a a negative slur. Tell me more about limiting free speech.
when I have ever advocated limiting free speech
I want you to be as free to say as much stupid shit as you want
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Is freedom of speech a basic human right of the individual? Or does government grant the people the right of free speech. And should government place some limits on freedom of speech to protect the individual?
Straw is a nanny state type - everything begins and ends w the govt other than marrying another dude or killing your child.
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Is freedom of speech a basic human right of the individual? Or does government grant the people the right of free speech. And should government place some limits on freedom of speech to protect the individual?
do you live in the US?
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Straw is a nanny state type - everything begins and ends w the govt other than marrying another dude or killing your child.
once again projecting you own delusions onto others
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do you live in the US?
should be obvious answer to your question
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Its not obvious. So, please elaborate.
sorry, your ignorance is not iportant enough to me to waste my time
why don't you contact Fred Phelps and have him explain it to you
you two will probably get along great
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Jesus isnt a real person. You two have that in common. Answer the question on freedom of speech, please. Or you can continue to evade the issue. Typical. ::)
who mentioned Jesus ?
since you seem confused about freedom of speech what do you think about the US Supreme Court decision that money is basically equiavalent to speech
do you agree with that?
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Bump. Tell me where the right to freedom of speech comes from. And governments role in it please.
I'm not your parent or your teacher
I don't even know if you're smart enough to understand the concept so why would I waste my valuable time
If you live in the US you should know where it comes from
If you live in a country like North Korea you will also know where it comes from
where do you live and why are you so uninformed ?
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According to Obama:
Someone who runs a marathon should be grateful since someone else ran those 26 miles.
Someone who lost a lot of weight via exercise should be grateful because someone else ran those miles, staved themselves, and exercsed.
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Try not to meltdown, shirley. Im not the issue here. You were asked who grants a person the right to freedom of speech. It it the individual's innate right? Or is it granted by the government? And should the government protect society from certain types of speech?
what meltdown
do you see caps or exclamation points
if you graduated beyond the 8th grade you should know the answers to your questions
I've given you all the info you should need to answer your questions
if you honestly can't figure it out then it's not my problem
you should contact this guy if you a truly confused about feedom of speech in this country
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According to Obama:
Someone who runs a marathon should be grateful since someone else ran those 26 miles.
Someone who lost a lot of weight via exercise should be grateful because someone else ran those miles, staved themselves, and exercsed.
it's really a shame that you're not a Romney advisor
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Refusal to answer noted.
I guess you dont want to get into your political views on the politics board. ::)
You would just rather call me a retard and level mental illness claims at others.
Very enlightened, you are. ::)
I've answered your question multiple times
I can't help it if you don't understand
don't you have parents you can ask these simple question to ?
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I think Obama on this statement is mostly accurate... I mean... Today, if I ship something, or I sell a product... Often times I'm using SOMETHING that the US Government has assisted in.
Sure, my Tax dollars were a part of it, along with many other people, but that doesn't take anything away from the idea or the process or whatever it is that is making money... We live in society... Society is here to enhance our lives... That's what it's for.
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I think Obama on this statement is mostly accurate... I mean... Today, if I ship something, or I sell a product... Often times I'm using SOMETHING that the US Government has assisted in.
Sure, my Tax dollars were a part of it, along with many other people, but that doesn't take anything away from the idea or the process or whatever it is that is making money... We live in society... Society is here to enhance our lives... That's what it's for.
The govt is not society.
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Oh, sorry i forgot. Your answer was to ask me where i live and that im supposed to ask fred phelps. ::)
Do you wear a tin foil hat?
obviously you're unaware of the challeges to Fred Phelps right to free speech
I assume, of course, that your ignorance is feigned but if it's genuine then clearly I have been wasting my time with you
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The govt is not society.
No... but they enable society to do many things and they are a PART of society.
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No... but they enable society to do many things and they are a PART of society.
Without taxpayers and productive businesses F I R S T the govt cant do squat.
That is what obama and his gang of lemmings fails to exist. the very same things he wants to credit businesses success for are also present in communist dictatorships. Guess who those marxist hell holes all fail?
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According to Obama:
Someone who runs a marathon should be grateful since someone else ran those 26 miles.
Someone who lost a lot of weight via exercise should be grateful because someone else ran those miles, staved themselves, and exercsed.
Let's start with the fact that Romney agrees 100% with Obama's contention, as you can hear from Romney's own mouth in my previous post. Now, I will help your analogies actually make sense as per the speeches by Obama and Romney.
According to Obama (I assume you read and/or saw the full speech) and Romney, someone who runs a marathon "should be grateful" that they have roads and paths to run on that were paid for by taxes. If it is private property, then they should be grateful for the public roads they used to get to the marathon. If they were motivated by anyone to get into marathons, they should be grateful for those people. If they were motivated to run after seeing something on the internet, they should be grateful that the government created the internet.
According to Obama and Romney, someone who lost a lot of weight via exercise "should be grateful" because they learned how to do so via a book, t.v. show, the internet, family member, friend, tips on food products at grocery stores, etc. Moreover, the food they eat is regulated by the USDA.
In case you missed it (from July 18, 2012):
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Let's start with the fact that Romney agrees 100% with Obama's contention, as you can hear from Romney's own mouth in my previous post. Now, I will help your analogies actually make sense as per the speeches by Obama and Romney.
According to Obama (I assume you read and/or saw the full speech) and Romney someone who runs a marathon should be grateful that they have roads and paths to run on that were paid for by taxes. If it is private property, then they should be grateful for the public roads they used to get to the marathon. If they were motivated by anyone to get into marathons, they should be grateful for those people. If they were motivated to run after seeing something on the internet, they should be grateful that the government created the internet.
According to Obama and Romney, someone who lost a lot of weight via exercise should be grateful because they learned how to do so via a book, t.v. show, the internet, family member, friend, tips on food products at grocery stores, etc. Moreover, the food they eat is regulated by the USDA.
In case you missed it (from July 18, 2012):
We pay taxes for all this govt remember? We have nothing at all to be grateful or indebted to anyone for.
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We pay taxes for all this govt remember? We have nothing at all to be grateful or indebted to anyone for.
I almost forgot, but then I reviewed the Romney clip and remembered. You wouldn't use your personal funds to build roads for public use, would you?
We have so many infrastructure issues in America at the moment, as I'm sure you know. So, let's do this: No one pay taxes anymore. Let's see how the infrastructure issues will be remedied. Maybe Romney will assist with his personal funds? We won't have police or an army anymore, that shouldn't be a concern...should it?
Yes, we pay taxes and the government does things with that money which allows us to run businesses, run marathons, eat regulated food, be protected from other countries, be protected in our own country, etc.
If you disagree with the idea of taxes or what Obama said the day before Romney repeated, so be it. Just recognize that both candidates share the same view on this topic.
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I almost forgot, but then I reviewed the Romney clip and remembered. You wouldn't use your personal funds to build roads for public use, would you?
We have so many infrastructure issues in America at the moment, as I'm sure you know. So, let's do this: No one pay taxes anymore. Let's see how the infrastructure issues will be remedied. Maybe Romney will assist with his personal funds? We won't have police or an army anymore, that shouldn't be a concern...should it?
Yes, we pay taxes and the government does things with that money which allows us to run businesses, run marathons, eat regulated food, be protected from other countries, be protected in our own country, etc.
If you disagree with the idea of taxes or what Obama said the day before Romney repeated, so be it. Just recognize that both candidates share the same view on this topic.
Oh please - we are already raped w taxes and tolls and fines and surcharges that are ever increasing and things get worse and worse.
So yeah, let's pay more and see what happens. ::) ::)
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Oh please - we are already raped w taxes and tolls and fines and surcharges that are ever increasing and things get worse and worse.
So yeah, let's pay more and see what happens. ::) ::)
Please quote me where I said anything related to, "let's pay more and see what happens."
It is a good way to deter attention from a thread you started where you were "lmao" due to a comment by Obama, only to have Romney repeat it the next day. But, I will wait for the quote nonetheless...
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Without taxpayers and productive businesses F I R S T the govt cant do squat.
That is what obama and his gang of lemmings fails to exist. the very same things he wants to credit businesses success for are also present in communist dictatorships. Guess who those marxist hell holes all fail?
It's not a which came first scenario in my mind... It's more of a cyclical thing. Even from before 1776... Who funded the people to get to the US in first place? I believe it was governments who were putting people on boats to even found the "New World".
Who in turn got their money from people in their previous countries.. It's just the circle of life.
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It's not a which came first scenario in my mind... It's more of a cyclical thing. Even from before 1776... Who funded the people to get to the US in first place? I believe it was governments who were putting people on boats to even found the "New World".
Who in turn got their money from people in their previous countries.. It's just the circle of life.
Would you agree that if we are going to be consistent that if Obama wants to credit the govt and government spending for the success of business, I can just as easily blame govt spending on welfare for the destruction of the inner city as well as the failure of the education system?
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Would you agree that if we are going to be consistent that if Obama wants to credit the govt and government spending for the success of business, I can just as easily blame govt spending on welfare for the destruction of the inner city as well as the failure of the education system?
Inner City... Yes... Education problems are due to parents that do not give a shit about their children... So o.
But if you want to stretch it and say that the inner city youths parents who don't give a shit because the inner city is shitty, then I will accept that.
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Inner City... Yes... Education problems are due to parents that do not give a shit about their children... So o.
But if you want to stretch it and say that the inner city youths parents who don't give a shit because the inner city is shitty, then I will accept that.
and businesses succeed, OR FAIL, due to their own merits and business performance, not the govt (Unless you are a corporate crony of course like GE for example)
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Would you agree that if we are going to be consistent that if Obama wants to credit the govt and government spending for the success of business, I can just as easily blame govt spending on welfare for the destruction of the inner city as well as the failure of the education system?
It's becoming more clear that you didn't listen to or read Obama's speech. To simplify things, just read the quote you used to start this thread. Parents, teachers, friends, acquaintances, the police, the government, a television show, a pet, etc. - the list can go on forever regarding who helped someone (or a business) become successful.
Regarding your next contention about who to blame for failures. See my list above. Just as Tu Holmes said, parents can be at fault as well as an infinite list of other reasons. However, neither Obama nor Romney touched on the reasons for failure.
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and businesses succeed, OR FAIL, due to their own merits and business performance, not the govt (Unless you are a corporate crony of course like GE for example)
In many cases yes... Again, I'm not saying that there are not decisions made that cause success that have nothing to do with government, but let's be clear, businesses use government funded and managed things ALL of the time... From roadways, to the post office.
(The post office is self sufficient and tax dollars do not go to the post office)
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It's becoming more clear that you didn't listen to or read Obama's speech. Just read the quote you used to start this thread. Parents, teachers, friends, acquaintances, the police, the government, a television show, a pet, etc. - the list can go on forever regarding who helped someone (or a business) become successful.
Regarding your next contention about who to blame for failures. See my list above. Just as Tu Holmes said, parents can be at fault as well as an infinite list of other reasons. However, neither Obama nor Romney touched on the reasons for failure.
He did not say that. He said he had to laugh at people who thought they did it on their own and then rattled off govt spending.
So again - like I asked - if you want govt to get credit , you equally should blame the govt where it fucks up as well. But that NEVEr happens w people like obama.
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In many cases yes... Again, I'm not saying that there are not decisions made that cause success that have nothing to do with government, but let's be clear, businesses use government funded and managed things ALL of the time... From roadways, to the post office.
(The post office is self sufficient and tax dollars do not go to the post office)
Again - WE PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR THOSE THINGS NOW, NOTHING IS FREE OR A GIFT.
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Again - WE PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR THOSE THINGS NOW, NOTHING IS FREE OR A GIFT.
Who the fuck said anything about something being FREE?!?!
No one!!!
The point is that the business is not 100 percent self sufficient on it's own either!
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Who the fuck said anything about something being FREE?!?!
No one!!!
The point is that the business is not 100 percent self sufficient on it's own either!
The government as we have it does not exist unless there is enough business and tax revenue to fund the the govt. Businesses can figure out how to operate without the govt, govt without taxpayer money can not.
BTW - Obama was also dead wrong about the internet as well. It was never created as a way to enhance or facilitate commerce. It was for the military computers,
Finally - obama wants tot ake credit for businesses success, why not the failures and businesses that were and are forced to shut down due to govt action?
Can't have it both ways.
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He did not say that. He said he had to laugh at people who thought they did it on their own and then rattled off govt spending.
So again - like I asked - if you want govt to get credit , you equally should blame the govt where it fucks up as well. But that NEVEr happens w people like obama.
Yes, he did say it. Here is a quote from the speech, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help." Somebody includes, parents, friends, teachers, (as he stated next and that includes public AND private ;)) etc.
Since Obama AND Romney believe that government (and/or the people in your life) help create success, you will have to ask both of them their opinion on who to blame for failure.
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BTW - Obama was also dead wrong about the internet as well. It was never created as a way to enhance or facilitate commerce. It was for the military computers,
Obama said, "Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
Government did in fact create the internet for military purposes (as the government and military are one in the same). Thereafter, all companies were able to profit from the internet which (not to beat a dead horse...) was created by the military. This is exactly what his sentence said.
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It's becoming more clear that you didn't listen to or read Obama's speech. To simplify things, just read the quote you used to start this thread. Parents, teachers, friends, acquaintances, the police, the government, a television show, a pet, etc. - the list can go on forever regarding who helped someone (or a business) become successful.
Regarding your next contention about who to blame for failures. See my list above. Just as Tu Holmes said, parents can be at fault as well as an infinite list of other reasons. However, neither Obama nor Romney touched on the reasons for failure.
it wouldn't matter if he listened or not
he chooses to hear and see things that were never said
this is something he does all the time yet even when pointed out to him can't seem to understand it
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Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
What created this great system were not teachers, roads or bridges or the internet.
What created the system was the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and BOR to allow individuals and businesses to free and pursue their wishes by and large without undue govt restraint.
Roads Bridges, and teachers exist in NK, Cuba, Albania, and the old USSR correct? Why did they not succeed?
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Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
What created this great system were not teachers, roads or bridges or the internet.
What created the system was the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and BOR to allow individuals and businesses to free and pursue their wishes by and large without undue govt restraint.
Roads Bridges, and teachers exist in NK, Cuba, Albania, and the old USSR correct? Why did they not succeed?
How does NK, Cuba, Albania, and the old USSR's educational system compare to America's?
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The government as we have it does not exist unless there is enough business and tax revenue to fund the the govt. Businesses can figure out how to operate without the govt, govt without taxpayer money can not.
BTW - Obama was also dead wrong about the internet as well. It was never created as a way to enhance or facilitate commerce. It was for the military computers,
Finally - obama wants tot ake credit for businesses success, why not the failures and businesses that were and are forced to shut down due to govt action?
Can't have it both ways.
The Internet (Or Rather ARPAnet) while not specifically designed for business... CERTAINLY was created by the government and has been used as a tool by EVERY business on the planet.
So whatever it's original intent was, has nothing to do with the fact that it's used EVERY day to enhance business and make money, while still being a government funded program.
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The Internet (Or Rather ARPAnet) while not specifically designed for business... CERTAINLY was created by the government and has been used as a tool by EVERY business on the planet.
So whatever it's original intent was, has nothing to do with the fact that it's used EVERY day to enhance business and make money, while still being a government funded program.
And so is Edisons' inventions used by the world. Did Edison owe a debt of grattitude to the Govt for his inventions?
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And so is Edisons' inventions used by the world. Did Edison owe a debt of grattitude to the Govt for his inventions?
Did the government invent the light bulb?
I don't see any connection what so ever.
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Did the government invent the light bulb?
I don't see any connection what so ever.
Correct. The govt had ZERO to do w the success of edison the same way, it has little or nothing to do w the success or failures of businesses unless they actively fund them or actively punish them.
Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well. Cant have it both ways.
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Correct. The govt had ZERO to do w the success of edison the same way, it has little or nothing to do w the success or failures of businesses unless they actively fund them or actively punish them.
Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well. Cant have it both ways.
What does that have to do with his statement or the points we have been talking about.
I am saying that a lot of business success does have to do with SHARED resources... That's just fact.
Amazon would not even fucking exist today if it wasn't for the US government creating Arpanet... Do you disagree?
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Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well. Cant have it both ways.
Obama AND Romney share this view. You seem very angry about both candidates agreement regarding the quote you used as the title for this thread.
Take it up with them 333386 or vote for an alternative candidate.
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So let me get this right...
Taxpayer money, in your opinion, should not be used to create a nations basic infrastructure? Roads, bridges - these are just socialist remnants of government theft of people's hard earned cash?
BTW - how do you get to your 'law office' in the mornings?
Also - are you also saying that cars existed before roads?
Why don't the roads every build me a successful business? Fucking roads picking and choosing who they want to be rich and successful at random.
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Why don't the roads every build me a successful business? Fucking roads picking and choosing who they want to be rich and successful at random.
Roads assist or help you become successful. Without them, you cannot have success. I'm sure you read or heard the speeches by Romney and Obama, so you know what the road references meant.
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Roads assist or help you become successful. Without them, you cannot have success. I'm sure you read or heard the speeches by Romney and Obama, so you know what the road references meant.
Well that what part of government is the one that made businesses for the people who are rich? I want a business and I'd like to be rich. I won't even complain about taxes after they make my money for me, so it's not like I'm undeserving or ungrateful. I'm sick of sitting here not getting my just due.
I've been driving on roads my whole life and they haven't done shit for me. Why should they make my boss successful but not me?
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Well that what part of government is the one that made businesses for the people who are rich? I want a business and I'd like to be rich. I won't even complain about taxes after they make my money for me, so it's not like I'm undeserving or ungrateful. I'm sick of sitting here not getting my just due.
I've been driving on roads my whole life and they haven't done shit for me. Why should they make my boss successful but not me?
Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment. Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment. Without roads, the bank where your company keeps its money to pay you...would run dry.
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Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment. Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment.
Who is saying we don't need roads? BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC!
Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.
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Who is saying we don't need roads? BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC!
Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.
I didn't say we don't need roads. Doison did not say we don't need roads. Not sure? ???
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Who is saying we don't need roads? BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC!
Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.
Now my question to you. Who said we needed to be "grateful for to the govt?" I never said we had to be grateful to the government for the roads. Obama didn't say that in his speech either (quote where he did ;)). However, Romney and Obama DID say that the roads assisted businesses with their success.
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Now my question to you. Who said we needed to be "grateful for to the govt?" I never said we had to be grateful to the government for the roads. Obama didn't say that in his speech either (quote where he did ;)). However, Romney and Obama DID say that the roads assisted business with their success.
Obama did. Watch the clip. And he did so mockingly.
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Obama did. Watch the clip. And he did so mockingly.
Show us (just one place where he said "we should be grateful"), here is the part of his speech you are referencing:
We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
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Show us (just one place where he said "we should be grateful"), here is the part of his speech you are referencing:
We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
I've done this same thing a hundred times with this idiot
he had mental problem where he sees and hears things that don't exist
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
That does not say you should be grateful to the government at all. Your black letter quote does not even mention the word "government." I'm sure you read the last line of his speech which sums up the entire theme/purpose of the speech (and meaning of your quote): "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."
Regardless of your inability to back up the "we need to be grateful to the government" quote that does not exist, the bottom line is that BOTH candidates agree with the sentence you have quoted in black (which is why the title of this thread is odd, it is missing the name Romney).
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
333 - ignoring the obvious fact that no where do you see Obama saying "you should be grateful" do you actually believe Obama is saying "you didn't build your business and somebody else built your business" ?
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You all sound like a bunch of bitchy women yelling at 333333. Hahaha collective meltdown of peace.
No one is yelling. Moreover, I have neither used anything more than a single word in all caps nor font larger than standard. This is how adults discuss issues and communicate. However, I do recognize the trend of people insulting others when questions get difficult to answer. :-*
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Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment. Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment. Without roads, the bank where your company keeps its money to pay you...would run dry.
This is the exact bullshit that I hate about capitalists like you. Some aspect of government gives my boss his job and money and gave me the raw end of the deal of working for him and being poor.
Forget the roads for a second. I don't care about roads. All I want to know is why does my boss get more money than me? That's not fair. It's ALWAYS like this. The elites like my boss know which part of government gives all the good stuff. They (and YOU apparently) refuse to tell anyone else where all the money is.
We both drive the same roads, we both get tickets from the same police force, we both have to go to the same court when we forget to put our dog on a leash, but ONLY HE gets to use the part of government that makes you rich. Only HE gets to use the part of government that makes him be my boss. I already know about the government things that everyone gets to use. I want to know what part of government makes him DIFFERENT from me; the part that lets him order me around and makes more money than me.
What part of government makes him rich and me poor??
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This is the exact bullshit that I hate about capitalists like you. Some aspect of government gives my boss his job and money and gave me the raw end of the deal of working for him and being poor.
Forget the roads for a second. I don't care about roads. All I want to know is why does my boss get more money than me? That's not fair. It's ALWAYS like this. The elites like my boss know which part of government gives all the good stuff. They (and YOU apparently) refuse to tell anyone else where all the money is.
We both drive the same roads, we both get tickets from the same police force, we both have to go to the same court when we forget to put our dog on a leash, but ONLY HE gets to use the part of government that makes you rich. Only HE gets to use the part of government that makes him be my boss. I already know about the government things that everyone gets to use. I want to know what part of government makes him DIFFERENT from me; the part that lets him order me around and makes more money than me.
What part of government makes him rich and me poor??
Interesting points Doison. To answer your question, I would say the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of government, jointly.
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Edison fuckin loved and was very grateful to the government, especially the patent department.
Also doison u r an idiot. Your boss is less of an idiot. Hope this helps.
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Edison fuckin loved and was very grateful to the government, especially the patent department.
Also doison u r an idiot. Your boss is less of an idiot. Hope this helps.
So my boss makes more money than me because he's smarter than me? What road makes you smart?
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The one that takes students to school, teachers to universities... The one your short bus rode as u licked the window. Again, hope this helps.
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The one that takes students to school, teachers to universities... The one your short bus rode as u licked the window. Again, hope this helps.
What road did Thomas Jefferson drive on that he owed his brilliance to?
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What road did Thomas Jefferson drive on that he owed his brilliance to?
Doison is wondering what road makes him smarter. Do YOU believe that there is a road that makes people smarter, 333386?
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Doison is wondering what road makes him smarter. Do YOU believe that there is a road that makes people smarter, 333386?
No.
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No.
Then I doubt anyone, including Thomas Jefferson, could owe their brilliance solely to a road or dirt path. That said, he would not have been as successful if he was not mobile. Thus, the path he chose to travel helped or assisted him in becoming successful (or brilliant). I guess Obama and Romney were onto something...
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What road did Thomas Jefferson drive on that he owed his brilliance to?
U idiot. There weren't cars back then. He rode a horse, to college.
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U idiot. There weren't cars back then. He rode a horse, to college.
So the horse gets credit?
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U idiot. The guy who bred and trained, or broke the horse. The guy who made the saddle. The guys who built the college. The professors. The authors of the books he read. The publishers who made the books. And Jefferson himself.
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So, you say that you support a persons right to say any stupid shit they want.
And you bring up fr phelps and the god hates fags people when i ask you your view on where the right to freedom of speech comes from. Despite my efforts to get you to answer, you keep hinting at the phelps family crazies. So, you must support the right of the god hates fags people to say as much stupid shit as they want. I tend to agree with you. And while i disagree with what they are saying and find it not only distasteful but extremely socially abrasive an d just plain crazy. I agree with your stance that the government need not get involved and that the organizations that have sprung up to stifel these people (patriot riders) can be organized freely amongst society. This freely organized group of people has already employed tactics such as surrounding the phelps protests and reving their motorcycles to drown out their. Chants, and also using giant american flags so that the offensive signs of the phelps cant be seen. I am glad to see that you support an individuals right to free speech. And that if a community finds that speech distasteful, then they can use all tactics available to them within the law to stifle such speech witjout a government law necessary.
If you live live in the US you have the right to say whatever crazy or offensive shit that you like (within reason of course, you might lose your job if you do it on the public airwaves or at your place of employment)
If you live in the US and can't figure out by now where your right to free speech comes from then I can't really help you anymore
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The most helpful thing that you could do is zip your cock kisser Shirley.
LOL
frustrated much
if you don't like the answer then feel free to stop asking stupid questions......if that is even possible for you which somehow I doubt
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All I know is that I've been sitting around watching rich people live the high life since I was a kid. It's bullshit that these rich-prick elites have people out there making them businesses and making them successful while I can't even get someone to give me a wad of twenties to take to the casino. I don't even need the business or social status. I wouldn't even complain if the only thing they did for me was make me rich.
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All I know is that I've been sitting around watching rich people live the high life since I was a kid. It's bullshit that these rich-prick elites have people out there making them businesses and making them successful while I can't even get someone to give me a wad of twenties to take to the casino. I don't even need the business or social status. I wouldn't even complain if the only thing they did for me was make me rich.
Im a huge fan of your trolling. Very underrated.
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Haha who is frustrated? You really haven't come off as intelligent on here as you obviously are in your own mind. Lol.
You have said much if nothing in this thread an were foaming at the mouth attacking and making fun of 3333. You are very smart and enlightened indeed. ::)
you're entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else
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you're entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else
Correct, unlike you, although I hate 99 percent of the Marxist bs you post, I would defend to the death your write to say it.
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Correct, unlike you, although I hate 99 percent of the Marxist bs you post, I would defend to the death your write to say it.
Fuck that. I'd love to support a political party that espouses my views and shut down that opposition USSR-style. I don't like freedom of speech when I disagree with that person. If I had the power or were in a position to support a power that would shut down any opposing views I or the party I'm part of, I'd be all for it.
Are you telling me liberals would really like conservatives to continue spouting off at the mouth? And vice versa? If given the opportunity, the opposition would be silenced quickly.
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Fuck that. I'd love to support a political party that espouses my views and shut down that opposition USSR-style. I don't like freedom of speech when I disagree with that person. If I had the power or were in a position to support a power that would shut down any opposing views I or the party I'm part of, I'd be all for it.
Are you telling me liberals would really like conservatives to continue spouting off at the mouth? And vice versa? If given the opportunity, the opposition would be silenced quickly.
Liberals hate free speech but I want them spouting their crap openly.
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Liberals hate free speech but I want them spouting their crap openly.
True. They're rather amusing, telling the rest of us how to live while they cower behind their ivory towers in gated communities in lushly manicured suburbs. People only vote Democrat if they have something personal to gain(power or a couple bucks on their EBT card).
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Opinion: Obama "You Didn't Build That" Comment Incites Class Warfare
WYNC-FM ^ | July 20, 2012 | Karol Markowicz
Posted on July 20, 2012 10:07:24 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Ever since President Obama made his anti-business comments there has been an outcry by liberals that his words were taken out of context. I would never want to misquote my president so here is the full comment:
Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
The argument from the left goes that Obama didn't mean that you didn't build your business, just that you didn't build your own roads. Let's disregard for a moment that, as James Taranto points out, the grammar insists he meant business (singular-that) and not roads and bridges (plural-those). Let's forget that it is obvious to a mule (it sounds better in Russian--"kanyoo yasna") that most people didn't build their own roads. And let's not think about the fact that business owners, particularly successful ones demonized here, pay the high taxes that pay for those roads and bridges.
The theme in Obama's words is undeserved success. Obama didn't accidentally say that the successful didn't make it on their own. Take a good look at his opponent. Mitt Romney was born rich, that's true, (his father was a successful auto exec) but not the kind of rich he would eventually become on his own. Barack Obama was taking the world's most obvious shot at Mitt Romney for being successful and when it blew up in his face it became a case of being misquote or words taken out of context. That's simply not true. Most of Barack Obama's monetary success came from his bestselling books. Now we're supposed to believe that the man who earned his multi-million dollar wealth writing books clumsily tumbled over words. Unlikely.
The other reason that the president is attacking business owners is that it creates a convenient "us vs. them" dynamic in a time of high unemployment and economic uncertainty. Instead of taking responsibility that his policies have done nothing to improve our unemployment numbers, the president can instead turn the rage of the unemployed and underpaid onto those who have been successful.
It isn't Obama failing you, it's these rich people who don't recognize that your hard work helped get them there. Perhaps what the unemployed are really lacking is the same access to roads, bridges and teachers as the successful. Or perhaps Barack Obama is playing a class warfare game to win an election.
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Correct, unlike you, although I hate 99 percent of the Marxist bs you post, I would defend to the death your write to say it.
didn't I just defend your right to say stupid and offensive shit
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Opinion: Obama "You Didn't Build That" Comment Incites Class Warfare
WYNC-FM ^ | July 20, 2012 | Karol Markowicz
Posted on July 20, 2012 10:07:24 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Ever since President Obama made his anti-business comments there has been an outcry by liberals that his words were taken out of context. I would never want to misquote my president so here is the full comment:
Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
The argument from the left goes that Obama didn't mean that you didn't build your business, just that you didn't build your own roads. Let's disregard for a moment that, as James Taranto points out, the grammar insists he meant business (singular-that) and not roads and bridges (plural-those). Let's forget that it is obvious to a mule (it sounds better in Russian--"kanyoo yasna") that most people didn't build their own roads. And let's not think about the fact that business owners, particularly successful ones demonized here, pay the high taxes that pay for those roads and bridges.
The theme in Obama's words is undeserved success. Obama didn't accidentally say that the successful didn't make it on their own. Take a good look at his opponent. Mitt Romney was born rich, that's true, (his father was a successful auto exec) but not the kind of rich he would eventually become on his own. Barack Obama was taking the world's most obvious shot at Mitt Romney for being successful and when it blew up in his face it became a case of being misquote or words taken out of context. That's simply not true. Most of Barack Obama's monetary success came from his bestselling books. Now we're supposed to believe that the man who earned his multi-million dollar wealth writing books clumsily tumbled over words. Unlikely.
The other reason that the president is attacking business owners is that it creates a convenient "us vs. them" dynamic in a time of high unemployment and economic uncertainty. Instead of taking responsibility that his policies have done nothing to improve our unemployment numbers, the president can instead turn the rage of the unemployed and underpaid onto those who have been successful.
It isn't Obama failing you, it's these rich people who don't recognize that your hard work helped get them there. Perhaps what the unemployed are really lacking is the same access to roads, bridges and teachers as the successful. Or perhaps Barack Obama is playing a class warfare game to win an election.
July 18, 2012
I guess Karol Markowicz missed Romney's speech where he ended up agreeing with Obama.
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Who gives a damn about myth?
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Win.
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Barack Obama is jealous of small business owners
Renew America ^ | 20 July 2012 | Tim Dunkin
Posted on July 21, 2012 10:08:43 AM EDT by Yashcheritsiy
Much has been made of the recent comments by President Obama concerning small businesses and those who create them, build them up, and turn them into productive participants in our economy. On July 13, Obama told a crowd of supporters in Roanoke, Virginia,
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn't — look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business — you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
So essentially, despite the recent spin and backtracking by his media handlers, Obama is saying that when an entrepreneur goes out and takes the personal risk of starting a business, invests his or her own sweat and tears into it, puts in years worth of 80+ hour weeks, and finally sees it come to fruition as a successful company, the entrepreneur is not really responsible for this. Instead, "everyone else" had a hand in it as well, since we're "all connected." In fact, the government made your success possible.
Now, what would possess somebody to say such a flabbergastingly idiotic thing? The government didn't give you the idea for your business. All the other smart and hardworking people out there didn't give you the innate intelligence or the work ethic to grind through the lean years that so often accompany starting a business from the ground up. All the roads and bridges in the country didn't translate your idea from a blueprint into a tangible product. And let's not forget that as a taxpayer, the entrepreneur his or herself helped to make those roads and bridges a reality — not the other way around. So how is it that Obama — ostensibly an intelligent man (though I'm not convinced of this, myself) — would make such a foolish and ignorant comment?
The answer, of course, is that Obama — and others like him on the Left — are jealous of small business owners and other productive people. Let's face it, to be a hard-core leftist, to be a part of the network of politicos and bureaucrats and activists and community organizers and the like, does not require either much intelligence or much work ethic. All it requires is an ability and willingness to remember talking points off of a memo and to show up and wave a sign whenever you're needed. President Obama himself exemplifies this — he got hooked into the leftist network at an early age, and has had everything since more or less handed to him for free. However, a person like this who knows that they didn't really earn what they have and probably couldn't if they were forced to try will naturally be envious of those more capable than themselves. I am reminded of Robert Heinlein's statement,
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
Ultimately, those on the Left like Obama envy those who can do the things that they can't — produce, be successful, benefit others through the enlightened self-interest that makes capitalism the greatest wealth-generating engine known to man. Obama wants to take credit away from those who worked hard and created businesses, and give it to "everyone." This is a strongly socialist impulse — it is spreading around the "wealth" of credit for individual success. You were only successful because "society" and "the government" made you successful. This sentiment betrays Obama and the Left's neuroticism and enviousness.
There are several specific reason why they are jealous of producers and creators.
First of all, there is the simple fact that successful business owners (as well as others who are productive and excel in their chosen fields) don't need anyone else's help. They don't need the government to step in and give them a leg up. They don't need the myriad of welfare programs that leftists love to ensnare people with. Indeed, government that goes beyond its constitutional limits of keeping the peace and protecting us from invasion generally tends to get in the way of productive individuals and companies, rather than helping them.
This is grossly offensive to leftists. Leftists love to use the power of the state to give them ability that they otherwise would not have. They love the sense of power and ego that derives from believing they are "helping" all those people on welfare and food stamps and other forms of public assistance. If you don't need their "help," they take that as a personal insult. This is especially true with this President, whose narcissism and sense of personal importance make it very difficult for him to contemplate the idea of merely leaving other people alone to prosper and succeed without his "help." If they try, well, he'll make sure they see the error of their ways. He'll tear them down to the point where they have to rely on him and his cronies. Socialists hate successful individual existence apart from government. Indeed, they believe "individualism" is a dirty word.
Another reason for Obama's jealousy of business owners and creators is that they are hardworking. A small business owner doesn't just get to punch his eight hours into the clock and go home to vegetate in front of a television. Instead, successful small business owners often spend years putting in excessive hours and taking no vacations before they finally see the benefit of their hard work and sacrifice. Starting a successful small business is not for the faint of heart. It requires a strong work ethic as well as ingenuity and a willingness to forgo short term pleasures for long-term benefits.
Meanwhile, the only long hours that President Putting Green has been putting in are on the links, working on his mulligans. That, and taking extravagant taxpayer-funded vacations. Obama has treated the Presidency like a set of perks that happens to come with a little bit of work occasionally. This goes back to his history of having everything handed to him by the leftist network. He got to be President of the Harvard Law Review, a sinecure which he spent producing basically no intellectual work to speak of. His university years are a mystery, since his transcripts are sealed and he and his crew absolutely refuse to open them. One suspects that this might be because Obama's grades in college were pitifully poor, again belying a lack of work ethic. Even Obama's most prestigious award, the Nobel Peace Prize, was completely unearned. After all, he received it a mere ten days after taking office — hardly time for him to have done anything on the international scene, even if he were the hardest working man on the planet. No, it seems that the only thing that really moves Obama to strenuous activity is fundraising for his re-election campaign.
Yet another source for Obama's envy of the successful and productive is the very fact of what they do — they produce. They create. They make things that are beneficial for other people while they are profiting from their investment. Entrepreneurs, business owners, productive people — these genuinely make the world a better place by adding to the sum total of the wealth and production in the world. They take low-value raw materials and turn them into high-value goods that people want to buy so as to improve their own standards of living. They take ideas — which in and of themselves do nothing — and translate them into tangible products that advance society, science, the arts, and our very lives.
On the other hand, people like Obama do none of these things. Instead, Obama and his ilk are barbarians. They destroy, pillage, loot, tear down, and wipe out. They use the powers of the state to destroy the livelihood and ability to prosper of other people. They take our property, they hinder our ability to develop and use it, they seek to pull down everybody to the same subsistence level. They are like the barbarians who roared through the Roman Empire, burning the fields, pillaging the cities, taking away the villas and homes and crops that somebody else had worked hard to produce. They can do no other, for socialism is the creed of the destroyer. Socialism can only take from the successful individual — it can never give. To Obama and people like him, those of us who are productive and working to be successful are the kulaks — people ripe for being cleared out of the way and dispossessed so that the wealth can be "spread around."
Lastly, one trait of the successful business owner that invokes Obama's jealousy is that they are competent. A small business that makes it, that stands the test of the years, that maybe eventually even turns into a big business, is a testimony to the proven track record for success of its owner and creator. Incompetent and unable people do not create businesses that last. Foresight, dedication, skill, intelligence, character — these are all traits of competent people who build companies and become job-producers.
Obama displays none of these. His track record is one of failure, not success. Everything the man touches turns into a colossal catastrophe. His vaunted stimulus plan proved to be less than useless — it was a positive drag on the economy that sucked needed capital away from job producers and ended up pushing us close to double-digit unemployment (by the U3 reckoning, we're actually way past that by the more realistic U6 calculation). He tried to push government money into "green jobs," only to see companies like Solyndra collapse under their own inefficiencies. His health care plan is already destroying jobs and driving wealth-producers away from this country. His touch is the anti-Midas — it takes everything golden and turns it into garbage.
In short, Obama is a contemptible little man who hates and fears those more capable than himself, just like most everyone else on the Left does. I supposed that in a sense, the productive people, the successful, the hard-workers, the capitalistic-minded in this country should take this as a complement. Indeed, as Fulton Sheen has said,
"Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius."
Unfortunately, Obama and the Left's jealousies can result in very real, very detrimental, consequences for our nation and her people. Left to themselves, the Left would destroy every last one of us, reducing us to a state of dependency and bare subsistence. We have to fight to prevent this, no matter what the cost to us may be. The Left must not merely be defeated, it must be destroyed root and branch if we're to have the liberty to be free to prosper and produce as we can.
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Barack Obama is jealous of small business owners
Renew America ^ | 20 July 2012 | Tim Dunkin
Posted on July 21, 2012 10:08:43 AM EDT by Yashcheritsiy
Much has been made of the recent comments by President Obama concerning small businesses and those who create them, build them up, and turn them into productive participants in our economy. On July 13, Obama told a crowd of supporters in Roanoke, Virginia,
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn't — look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business — you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
So essentially, despite the recent spin and backtracking by his media handlers, Obama is saying that when an entrepreneur goes out and takes the personal risk of starting a business, invests his or her own sweat and tears into it, puts in years worth of 80+ hour weeks, and finally sees it come to fruition as a successful company, the entrepreneur is not really responsible for this. Instead, "everyone else" had a hand in it as well, since we're "all connected." In fact, the government made your success possible.
Now, what would possess somebody to say such a flabbergastingly idiotic thing? The government didn't give you the idea for your business. All the other smart and hardworking people out there didn't give you the innate intelligence or the work ethic to grind through the lean years that so often accompany starting a business from the ground up. All the roads and bridges in the country didn't translate your idea from a blueprint into a tangible product. And let's not forget that as a taxpayer, the entrepreneur his or herself helped to make those roads and bridges a reality — not the other way around. So how is it that Obama — ostensibly an intelligent man (though I'm not convinced of this, myself) — would make such a foolish and ignorant comment?
The answer, of course, is that Obama — and others like him on the Left — are jealous of small business owners and other productive people. Let's face it, to be a hard-core leftist, to be a part of the network of politicos and bureaucrats and activists and community organizers and the like, does not require either much intelligence or much work ethic. All it requires is an ability and willingness to remember talking points off of a memo and to show up and wave a sign whenever you're needed. President Obama himself exemplifies this — he got hooked into the leftist network at an early age, and has had everything since more or less handed to him for free. However, a person like this who knows that they didn't really earn what they have and probably couldn't if they were forced to try will naturally be envious of those more capable than themselves. I am reminded of Robert Heinlein's statement,
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
Ultimately, those on the Left like Obama envy those who can do the things that they can't — produce, be successful, benefit others through the enlightened self-interest that makes capitalism the greatest wealth-generating engine known to man. Obama wants to take credit away from those who worked hard and created businesses, and give it to "everyone." This is a strongly socialist impulse — it is spreading around the "wealth" of credit for individual success. You were only successful because "society" and "the government" made you successful. This sentiment betrays Obama and the Left's neuroticism and enviousness.
There are several specific reason why they are jealous of producers and creators.
First of all, there is the simple fact that successful business owners (as well as others who are productive and excel in their chosen fields) don't need anyone else's help. They don't need the government to step in and give them a leg up. They don't need the myriad of welfare programs that leftists love to ensnare people with. Indeed, government that goes beyond its constitutional limits of keeping the peace and protecting us from invasion generally tends to get in the way of productive individuals and companies, rather than helping them.
This is grossly offensive to leftists. Leftists love to use the power of the state to give them ability that they otherwise would not have. They love the sense of power and ego that derives from believing they are "helping" all those people on welfare and food stamps and other forms of public assistance. If you don't need their "help," they take that as a personal insult. This is especially true with this President, whose narcissism and sense of personal importance make it very difficult for him to contemplate the idea of merely leaving other people alone to prosper and succeed without his "help." If they try, well, he'll make sure they see the error of their ways. He'll tear them down to the point where they have to rely on him and his cronies. Socialists hate successful individual existence apart from government. Indeed, they believe "individualism" is a dirty word.
Another reason for Obama's jealousy of business owners and creators is that they are hardworking. A small business owner doesn't just get to punch his eight hours into the clock and go home to vegetate in front of a television. Instead, successful small business owners often spend years putting in excessive hours and taking no vacations before they finally see the benefit of their hard work and sacrifice. Starting a successful small business is not for the faint of heart. It requires a strong work ethic as well as ingenuity and a willingness to forgo short term pleasures for long-term benefits.
Meanwhile, the only long hours that President Putting Green has been putting in are on the links, working on his mulligans. That, and taking extravagant taxpayer-funded vacations. Obama has treated the Presidency like a set of perks that happens to come with a little bit of work occasionally. This goes back to his history of having everything handed to him by the leftist network. He got to be President of the Harvard Law Review, a sinecure which he spent producing basically no intellectual work to speak of. His university years are a mystery, since his transcripts are sealed and he and his crew absolutely refuse to open them. One suspects that this might be because Obama's grades in college were pitifully poor, again belying a lack of work ethic. Even Obama's most prestigious award, the Nobel Peace Prize, was completely unearned. After all, he received it a mere ten days after taking office — hardly time for him to have done anything on the international scene, even if he were the hardest working man on the planet. No, it seems that the only thing that really moves Obama to strenuous activity is fundraising for his re-election campaign.
Yet another source for Obama's envy of the successful and productive is the very fact of what they do — they produce. They create. They make things that are beneficial for other people while they are profiting from their investment. Entrepreneurs, business owners, productive people — these genuinely make the world a better place by adding to the sum total of the wealth and production in the world. They take low-value raw materials and turn them into high-value goods that people want to buy so as to improve their own standards of living. They take ideas — which in and of themselves do nothing — and translate them into tangible products that advance society, science, the arts, and our very lives.
On the other hand, people like Obama do none of these things. Instead, Obama and his ilk are barbarians. They destroy, pillage, loot, tear down, and wipe out. They use the powers of the state to destroy the livelihood and ability to prosper of other people. They take our property, they hinder our ability to develop and use it, they seek to pull down everybody to the same subsistence level. They are like the barbarians who roared through the Roman Empire, burning the fields, pillaging the cities, taking away the villas and homes and crops that somebody else had worked hard to produce. They can do no other, for socialism is the creed of the destroyer. Socialism can only take from the successful individual — it can never give. To Obama and people like him, those of us who are productive and working to be successful are the kulaks — people ripe for being cleared out of the way and dispossessed so that the wealth can be "spread around."
Lastly, one trait of the successful business owner that invokes Obama's jealousy is that they are competent. A small business that makes it, that stands the test of the years, that maybe eventually even turns into a big business, is a testimony to the proven track record for success of its owner and creator. Incompetent and unable people do not create businesses that last. Foresight, dedication, skill, intelligence, character — these are all traits of competent people who build companies and become job-producers.
Obama displays none of these. His track record is one of failure, not success. Everything the man touches turns into a colossal catastrophe. His vaunted stimulus plan proved to be less than useless — it was a positive drag on the economy that sucked needed capital away from job producers and ended up pushing us close to double-digit unemployment (by the U3 reckoning, we're actually way past that by the more realistic U6 calculation). He tried to push government money into "green jobs," only to see companies like Solyndra collapse under their own inefficiencies. His health care plan is already destroying jobs and driving wealth-producers away from this country. His touch is the anti-Midas — it takes everything golden and turns it into garbage.
In short, Obama is a contemptible little man who hates and fears those more capable than himself, just like most everyone else on the Left does. I supposed that in a sense, the productive people, the successful, the hard-workers, the capitalistic-minded in this country should take this as a complement. Indeed, as Fulton Sheen has said,
"Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius."
Unfortunately, Obama and the Left's jealousies can result in very real, very detrimental, consequences for our nation and her people. Left to themselves, the Left would destroy every last one of us, reducing us to a state of dependency and bare subsistence. We have to fight to prevent this, no matter what the cost to us may be. The Left must not merely be defeated, it must be destroyed root and branch if we're to have the liberty to be free to prosper and produce as we can.
333386, see if you can email Tim Dunkin this link, so that he is aware that Romney feels the same way as Obama. Let's do our best to keep voters informed.
July, 18, 2012
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Government merely creates an environment in which businesses and entrepreneurs can thrive and succeed(or fail). Like someone said, Obama (and Romney) is correct is stating that you did not get there on your own.......but a guy who helped pave a road in which a successful trucking company is located on should not necessarily get credit for that company's success. You couldn't operate a business successfully without the security of law enforcement and paved roads.
Government and private enterprise in their best forms will always be precariously balanced with both depending on one another. It is when one begins to overpower another is when we see problems arise. A tightrope walker has to use tremendous concentration in navigating the rope....however, it'd be far easier to just jump into the safety net or to not even navigate the rope at all.
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Government merely creates an environment in which businesses and entrepreneurs can thrive and succeed(or fail). Like someone said, Obama (and Romney) is correct is stating that you did not get there on your own.......but a guy who helped pave a road in which a successful trucking company is located on should not necessarily get credit for that company's success. You couldn't operate a business successfully without the security of law enforcement and paved roads.
Government and private enterprise in their best forms will always be precariously balanced with both depending on one another. It is when one begins to overpower another is when we see problems arise. A tightrope walker has to use tremendous concentration in navigating the rope....however, it'd be far easier to just jump into the safety net or to not even navigate the rope at all.
Shut the *uck up.
Stop trying to sound philosophical.
Obama made a fool out of himself.
End of thread.
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Shut the *uck up.
Stop trying to sound philosophical.
Obama made a fool out of himself.
End of thread.
Boy you have been on a rampage tonight, lol.
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Obama made a fool out of himself.
End of thread.
July 18, 2012
Did Romney make a fool out of himself when he agreed with Obama's speech/message the following week?
You are right, this thread should be over. But, when Fox News plays a sound byte like the title of this thread, people assume it was the only sentence Obama stated. Most people didn't listen to or read his speech. Additionally, Fox won't play the clip of Romney I shared above. The result? 11 pages....of a thread that attempts to call Obama a fool....all because there are so many uninformed people, who didn't realize that Romney said the exact same thing as Obama, a few days later.
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The Myth of Obama’s Rhetorical Brilliance
Commentary Magazine ^ | July 20, 2012 | Alana Goodman
Posted on July 21, 2012 6:29:12 PM EDT by Kaslin
Checking for context before slamming someone for a single line in a speech is always a noble endeavor. But there’s a point when the “benefit of the doubt” becomes ridiculous. A prime example is the liberal argument that President Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment wasn’t directed at businesses:
When he made the comment in Roanoke, Va. Friday, Obama was arguing that businesses needed infrastructure investment to succeed.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” Obama said. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
The antecedent to “that” is not the business, but “roads and bridges,” as well as the “American system” as a whole.
To believe that Obama was talking about businesses, you only have to watch his speech in context and take it at its literal meaning. To believe Obama was talking about something else, you have to divine certain messages from his ambiguous body language, assume he mixed up his demonstrative pronouns, and concede that the context was structured oddly. Even then, it isn’t clear what exactly he’s referring to.
How could this be, considering he’s supposed to be one of the world’s most celebrated orators? The answer is, no teleprompter:
Judging from video and photos of the event, Obama wasn’t using his teleprompter. According to the video footage posted below, Obama pulled a folded sheet of paper out of his front shirt pocket at the beginning of his speech, and slowly unfolded it. Throughout the speech, Obama glances down at his sheet of paper, rather than the usual mechanical side-to-side head turns from screen to screen.
Wide-angle photos of the event show no sign of the familiar twin-screens that typically follow Obama everywhere. Instead, a white sheet of paper is seen at the podium.
No wonder the speech was such a train wreck, and I’m not just talking about the most controversial line. Here’s a key excerpt:
If you were successful somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you own a business — that, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Iternet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Stilted, flat, unimaginative and full of banal observations. “Imagine if everybody had their own fire service,” he said at one point. “That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.” Really? It actually sounds like firefighting would be pretty easy if America had 300 million fire services. Not that this is physically possible, or that anybody has ever proposed such a thing. “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet,” he added. The idea that the government created the Internet to help companies make money is so obviously inaccurate that it’s not even worth discussing. And what does any of this have to do with raising federal income taxes?
For the past four years, liberals have tried to sell us on the idea that Obama is one of the greatest speakers of all time. Now they’re complaining that conservatives are taking his words literally and not cutting him enough slack. Which one is it?
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The Myth of Obama’s Rhetorical Brilliance
Commentary Magazine ^ | July 20, 2012 | Alana Goodman
Posted on July 21, 2012 6:29:12 PM EDT by Kaslin
Checking for context before slamming someone for a single line in a speech is always a noble endeavor. But there’s a point when the “benefit of the doubt” becomes ridiculous. A prime example is the liberal argument that President Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment wasn’t directed at businesses:
When he made the comment in Roanoke, Va. Friday, Obama was arguing that businesses needed infrastructure investment to succeed.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” Obama said. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
The antecedent to “that” is not the business, but “roads and bridges,” as well as the “American system” as a whole.
To believe that Obama was talking about businesses, you only have to watch his speech in context and take it at its literal meaning. To believe Obama was talking about something else, you have to divine certain messages from his ambiguous body language, assume he mixed up his demonstrative pronouns, and concede that the context was structured oddly. Even then, it isn’t clear what exactly he’s referring to.
How could this be, considering he’s supposed to be one of the world’s most celebrated orators? The answer is, no teleprompter:
Judging from video and photos of the event, Obama wasn’t using his teleprompter. According to the video footage posted below, Obama pulled a folded sheet of paper out of his front shirt pocket at the beginning of his speech, and slowly unfolded it. Throughout the speech, Obama glances down at his sheet of paper, rather than the usual mechanical side-to-side head turns from screen to screen.
Wide-angle photos of the event show no sign of the familiar twin-screens that typically follow Obama everywhere. Instead, a white sheet of paper is seen at the podium.
No wonder the speech was such a train wreck, and I’m not just talking about the most controversial line. Here’s a key excerpt:
If you were successful somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you own a business — that, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Iternet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Stilted, flat, unimaginative and full of banal observations. “Imagine if everybody had their own fire service,” he said at one point. “That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.” Really? It actually sounds like firefighting would be pretty easy if America had 300 million fire services. Not that this is physically possible, or that anybody has ever proposed such a thing. “Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet,” he added. The idea that the government created the Internet to help companies make money is so obviously inaccurate that it’s not even worth discussing. And what does any of this have to do with raising federal income taxes?
For the past four years, liberals have tried to sell us on the idea that Obama is one of the greatest speakers of all time. Now they’re complaining that conservatives are taking his words literally and not cutting him enough slack. Which one is it?
July 18, 2012
Thanks 333386 for keeping a look out for these uninformed authors. Let's just add Alana Goodman to the list of very uninformed people (since she wrote this article 4 days after Romney agreed) who need to do some research before publishing such articles.
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they did change that quote from obama to meet their political goal. they even called it 'persuasive art'.
very weak on the romney campaign side. They have PLENTY of things to attack obama for - but mangling his words is piss poor weak.
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they did change that quote from obama to meet their political goal. they even called it 'persuasive art'.
very weak on the romney campaign side. They have PLENTY of things to attack obama for - but mangling his words is piss poor weak.
Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.
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Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.
Romney said the same thing Obama said, clear as day. Next issue...
July 18, 2012
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333 - ignoring the obvious fact that no where do you see Obama saying "you should be grateful" do you actually believe Obama is saying "you didn't build your business and somebody else built your business" ?
bump for 333
a simple yes or no will suffice
if you want to provide an explanation of your yes or no that is fine too
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Obama said what he said, it's clear as day.
dont be a dick. obama says lots of stupid things
but in this case, romney did mangle his words. he was citing infrastructure.
i guess if you wanan be immature and defend what romney campaign already called 'persuasive art', that's cool. But dont expect us to believe you on anything else.
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but in this case, romney did mangle his words. he was citing infrastructure.
i guess if you wanan be immature and defend what romney campaign already called 'persuasive art', that's cool. But dont expect us to believe you on anything else.
Not only did Romney's campaign call it "persuasive art," but he went on to say the same thing as Obama.
July 13, 2012
Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
July 18, 2012
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Yet, it is July 22, 2012 AND this thread is 11 pages long. :o
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Not only did Romney's campaign call it "persuasive art," but he went on to say the same thing as Obama.
Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Yet, this thread is 11 pages :o
it's 11 pages because of certain people's willful choice to believe that Obama was saying that "you did not build your business" and that "someone else built your business"
most people can watch the full clip and understand exactly what Obama is saying (and as you've pointed out mnay times Romney has said essentially the exact same thing) but some apparently can't understand it and others know exactly what he is saying but choose to pretend otherwise (I guess to continue to rile up the people who are too stupid to understand what he was saying)
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I think 33 now realizes it was cut to mislead, and he realizes he was mis-led by the "persuasive art".
Romney's supporters should demand more of their candidate. His supporters used this to smear obama, and got egg on their face.
It would be better to deliver 18 effective ads that can't be debunked - rather than 20 ads with 2 that are outright lies. They undermine the 18 ads that are perfectly correct. As far as I'm concerned the Romney ad team are a bunch of lying bitch ass fvcks now. Cause of that one ad. Even if they had it right on all the other ads, which (aside from that quote from obama quoting mccain), they've been right.
So on a sunday where I like romney and think he'd make a good president, his team can S my D because they're misleading douchebags.
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I think 33 now realizes it was cut to mislead, and he realizes he was mis-led by the "persuasive art".
Romney's supporters should demand more of their candidate. His supporters used this to smear obama, and got egg on their face.
It would be better to deliver 18 effective ads that can't be debunked - rather than 20 ads with 2 that are outright lies. They undermine the 18 ads that are perfectly correct. As far as I'm concerned the Romney ad team are a bunch of lying bitch ass fvcks now. Cause of that one ad. Even if they had it right on all the other ads, which (aside from that quote from obama quoting mccain), they've been right.
So on a sunday where I like romney and think he'd make a good president, his team can S my D because they're misleading douchebags.
I think 333 is in that group that knows EXACTLY what Obama was saying and just chooses to pretend otherwise
if not then he is in the dumber group of people who don't actually understand what Obama was saying i.e. they genuinely believe that Obama was saying you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business
I'm giving thim the benefit of the doubt that he's not a complete moron and just chooses to act like one
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I think 333 is in that group that knows EXACTLY what Obama was saying and just chooses to pretend otherwise
if not then he is in the dumber group of people who don't actually understand what Obama was saying i.e. they genuinely believe that Obama was saying you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business
I'm giving thim the benefit of the doubt that he's not a complete moron and just chooses to act like one
No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -
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No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -
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No - all Obama, by the tone of voice and body language was trying to say is what this raving communist bitch was -
is that your way of admitting the Obama did NOT say that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business?
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is that your way of admitting the Obama did NOT say that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business?
Obama said what he said. And even if we accept his tortured excuse and logic for what he said, he is still full of shit.
Bro - just accept it - he is not some brilliant genius and intellect. He never was, never will be, and is simply a two bit ghetto leech parroting whatever communist arguments he can recall from his mentor Frank Davis, his buddy Ayeres, his marxist pastor Wright, his associates in the socialist "New Party", the "marxist professors" from college he made friends with, etc.
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Obama said what he said. And even if we accept his tortured excuse and logic for what he said, he is still full of shit.
Bro - just accept it - he is not some brilliant genius and intellect. He never was, never will be, and is simply a two bit ghetto leech parroting whatever communist arguments he can recall from his mentor Frank Davis, his buddy Ayeres, his marxist pastor Wright, his associates in the socialist "New Party", the "marxist professors" from college he made friends with, etc.
correct
and what he DID NOT say is that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business
right?
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correct
and what he DID NOT say is that you didn't build your business or that someone else built your business
right?
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You want me to quote him word for word ? ? ? ? ?
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you want me to quote him word for word ? ? ? ? ?
no need, I know what he said
do you think Obama said "you didn't build your business" and "someone else built your business"
yes or no?
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no need, I know what he said
do you think Obama said "you didn't build your business" and "someone else built your business"
yes or no?
Yes - because what he is saying is that you couild not have built your business BUT FOR the saintly road crew and AFT.
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Yes - because what he is saying is that you couild not have built your business BUT FOR the saintly road crew and AFT.
ok - then you're either choosing to not understand what he said or you truly don't understand what he said
I'm glad after 11 pages we could finally reach that conclusion
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ok - then you're either choosing to not understand what he said or you truly don't understand what he said
I'm glad after 11 pages we could finally reach that conclusion
I know exactly what he said.
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I know exactly what he said.
it's obvious that you don't
the only question now is whether your ignorance is genuine or not
I guess what you're tyring to tell us is that you are genuinely ignorant
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it's obvious that you don't
the only question now is whether your ignorance is genuine or not
I guess what you're tyring to tell us is that you are genuinely ignorant
Then why don't you tell me what he said since obviously his eloquence and brilliant oratory and eloquence was not sufficient for most.
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Then why don't you tell me what he said since obviously his eloquence and brilliant oratory and eloquence was not sufficient for most.
Here is what both candidates said:
July 13, 2012
Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
July 18, 2012
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
It is obvious that the comments made by both candidates angers you greatly. Do you have an alternative candidate you will be voting for or will you simply overlook the fact that you disagree with both candidates on this issue and vote Romney regardless?
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Here is what both candidates said:
July 13, 2012
Obama: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
July 18, 2012
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
It is obvious that the comments made by both candidates angers you greatly. Do you have an alternative candidate you will be voting for or will you simply overlook the fact that you disagree with both candidates on this issue and vote Romney regardless?
lol YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER REMARK HE MADE WHICH SET OFF THE SHIT STORM.
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lol YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER REMARK HE MADE WHICH SET OFF THE SHIT STORM.
which remark?
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lol YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER REMARK HE MADE WHICH SET OFF THE SHIT STORM.
You mean the statement that comes right after the aforementioned quote? You mean, where Obama says, "somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive"...and then says "if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own?" That isn't the logical conclusion stemming from the prior statements?
Ok, now lets move on to Romney's statement:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Obama says, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
Romney says, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business."
Now, can you move on to the next issue?
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lol YOU ARE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER REMARK HE MADE WHICH SET OFF THE SHIT STORM.
Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
333 - I can't believe you are this dumb or pretending to be this dumb
the bold text above shows what he was refering to when he said "you didn't build that" and "somebody else made that happen"
if you don't understand this or choose not to then there is simply nothing more to talk about
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Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
333 - I can't believe you are this dumb or pretending to be this dumb
the bold text above shows what he was refering to when he said "you didn't build that" and "somebody else made that happen"
if you don't understand this or choose not to then there is simply nothing more to talk about
Again - and obama did build that? No!
The monies taken from taxpayers' productive labor and other taxes paid for that.
Greedy communists like Obama act like this is all charity we need to be grateful for to these corrupt politicians like himself who have never worked a hard or productive day in their lives.
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Again - and obama did build that? No!
The monies taken from taxpayers' productive labor and other taxes paid for that.
Greedy communists like Obama act like this is all charity we need to be grateful for to these corrupt politicians like himself who have never worked a hard or productive day in their lives.
he is not saying HE built it either
it sounds like you at least understand he is not referring to "your business" with that comment
btw- I'm done with you on this topic
No more time for you stupidity today
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he is not saying HE built it either
it sounds like you at least understand he is not referring to "your business" with that comment
btw- I'm done with you on this topic
No more time for you stupidity today
So tell me what the fuck he is saying then!
I am going by his words, which when included w his mocking tone , seem obvious. If you have an alternative meaning, explain it or we should let his words speak for themselves.
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So tell me what the fuck he is saying then!
I am going by his words, which when included w his mocking tone , seem obvious. If you have an alternative meaning, explain it or we should let his words speak for themselves.
I'm done with you on this thread
scroll up and read or ask someone else to explain it to you
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So tell me what the fuck he is saying then!
I am going by his words, which when included w his mocking tone , seem obvious. If you have an alternative meaning, explain it or we should let his words speak for themselves.
Go by Obama's words 333386. Then, go by Romney's words.
Obama says, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
Romney says, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business."
Now, can you move on to the next issue? Or are you angry at both of them and suggest we vote for an alternative candidate?
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen
DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen
DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
Of course. Now you are getting it 33386.
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
1. DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
2. Without roads, would Henry Ford be successful 333386?
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Of course. Now you are getting it 33386.
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
I don't give a shit about mittens. He is a pandering dolt.
When henry road created the model T there were no real roads and bridges or infrastructure for his cars.
And teachers? What about people who went to private school or are self taught? Do they also owe their success to the AFT and the road crew?
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Of course. Now you are getting it 33386.
Romney: "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
1. DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
2. Without roads, would Henry Ford be successful 333386?
not to mention that the US government was probably one of the first and largest customers of Ford, the Wright Brother etc..
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I don't give a shit about mittens. He is a pandering dolt.
Good. If that's true, it's interesting that you left out "Mitten's" name in all the places you have mentioned Obama in this thread, as they both agree.
When henry road created the model T there were no real roads and bridges or infrastructure for his cars.
Without "real roads and bridges or infrastructure for his cars," there would be no car industry or Ford for you to drive today.
And teachers? What about people who went to private school or are self taught? Do they also owe their success to the AFT and the road crew?
I can go into detail and reexplain this to you, but that will waste both of our time.
The bottom line is that Obama and Romney agree on the issue. Their stance angers you to your core and you are welcome to have that emotion. Just keep in mind that BOTH candidates share this opinion. So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
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this is embarassing at this point.
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this is embarassing at this point.
Yeah, for Obama. He is now the butt of jokes and his bumbling and stuttering without his teleprompter produces a gaffe a sentence his supporters, including yourself, have to fall all over themselves to explain away.
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Yeah, for Obama. He is now the butt of jokes and his bumbling and stuttering without his teleprompter produces a gaffe a sentence his supporters, including yourself, have to fall all over themselves to explain away.
Again, you forgot to mention the name Romney.
I don't give a shit about mittens. He is a pandering dolt.
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Again, you forgot to mention the name Romney.
The tone of Obama's statement was clear derisive towards business. And again - he is FULL OF SHIT. What romney said is not what obama said.
Obama said that "IF YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU DIDNT BUILD THAT". What he means is that the existence of the roads, teachers, govt spending is what allowed business to be successful, which is pure nonsense,
Businesses are successful because they offer a product or service people want that they can profitably deliver.
Now - where is obama taking responsibility for when govt destroys businesses? Seems to never be around to take the same credit for those thing right?
Remember the 1300 dealerships he shut down and people he put out of work?
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Now - where is obama taking responsibility for when govt destroys businesses? Seems to never be around to take the same credit for those thing right?
Remember the 1300 dealerships he shut down and people he put out of work?
The scope of this thread and discussion is limited to the statement and speech made by Obama. You were angered by his speech and its meaning. Thus, Obama's responsibility for government destroying business or the 1,300 dealerships you refer to - are mere distractions meant to deviate attention from the issue that is suffocating you.
The tone of Obama's statement was clear derisive towards business. And again - he is FULL OF SHIT. What romney said is not what obama said.
Obama said that "IF YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU DIDNT BUILD THAT". What he means is that the existence of the roads, teachers, govt spending is what allowed business to be successful, which is pure nonsense,
Businesses are successful because they offer a product or service people want that they can profitably deliver.
You are entitled to your interpretation. Unfortunately for you, it is not up for interpretation as Obama summed up his speech by saying, "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.” THAT is the message and interpretation of the quote, "IF YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT." Unlike you, I am not trying to interpret the speech myself. Obama interpreted the sentence and overall theme of the speech with his concluding statement.
Now, back to Romney. Romney stated, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police." What does this mean? It means, "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.” How do we know this?
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
Again, you clearly disagree with BOTH presidential parties with regard to their opinion on what is required to run a successful business. Excellent. So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
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Please show me where Obama referenced banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed?
The scope of this thread and discussion is limited to the statement and speech made by Obama. You were angered by his speech and its meaning. Thus, Obama's responsibility for government destroying business or the 1,300 dealerships you refer to - are mere distractions meant to deviate attention from the issue that is suffocating you.
You are entitled to your interpretation. Unfortunately for you, it is not up for interpretation as Obama summed up his speech by saying, "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.” THAT is the message and interpretation of the quote, "IF YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT." Unlike you, I am not trying to interpret the speech myself. Obama interpreted the sentence and overall theme of the speech with his concluding statement.
Now, back to Romney. Romney stated, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police." What does this mean? It means, "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.” How do we know this?
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
Again, you clearly disagree with BOTH presidential parties with regard to their opinion on what is required to run a successful business. Excellent. So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
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Please show me where Obama referenced banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed?
Why? You have yet to claim ANY concern with Obama NOT referencing "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed." You didn't create this ongoing 13 page thread because Obama did not reference "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed."
Now that we are done with that nonsense, let's get to what prompted you to start this thread. You are angered over the STATEMENT, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." THAT is the statement you keep referencing constantly, correct? So, let's focus on what Obama AND Romney specifically referenced in their speeches in order to understand the STATEMENT that has you "lmao!!!" This will help clear up what Obama did and "did not reference" and it will allow us to compare his references to Romney's.
If you have an alternative meaning, explain it or we should let his words speak for themselves.
Okay, let the words speak for themselves.
Obama's Speech:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Governmentresearch created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______
Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________
To Conclude:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "firefighters"
"investors," and "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________
"Let the words speak for themselves" (333386, July 22, 2012 at 12:43:27 PM):
"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.
So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
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Obama said you didnt do that. He also said he is always surprised by people who said it must be because im so smart, well let me tell ya theres a lot of smart people. Oh it must be cuz i worked so hard, well let me tell ya a lot of hard workin people out there. He said if you have a business you didnt build that. Point to where romney said that you piece of shit
Hiya D-Ware. Welcome to the discussion :-*
Obama said you didnt do that. He said if you have a business you didnt build that. Point to where romney said that you piece of shit
Lets begin again (for the slow crowd) with the entire relevant portion of Obama's speech, not the random grammatically incorrect jargon you wrote above.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
See the red quote above D-Ware? This, as well as the last line (one in the same and not included in the quote above) was the purpose, intent, and theme of the speech. It is even the first sentence in the paragraph (pay attention to those, sometimes they are important in speeches).
Let's move to Romney now. Romney stated, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business".
Then, he listed all the people who helped/assisted people with their businesses by stating: "Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Now, lets examine the first line of BOTH candidates speeches that reference the issue at hand:
Obama says, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
Romney says, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business."
That is where Romney "said that." See now? Romney is saying that people helped you build that business. Obama is saying that you didn't build that successful business on your own, you had help. Do you see now D-Ware?
With regard to:
He also said he is always surprised by people who said it must be because im so smart, well let me tell ya theres a lot of smart people. Oh it must be cuz i worked so hard, well let me tell ya a lot of hard workin people out there.
I am sure we know many smart people who aren't successful. I am sure we all know a lot of hard working people who aren't successful. I am sure some of us know a few smart and hardworking people who aren't successful. I am not sure why you referenced this specifically, as it does not go to the crux of the discussion. The issue we are discussing, is whether or not successful people need help/assistance in becoming successful. Both candidates agree with the contention that successful people (and businesses) need help in succeeding.
Anything else sweetheart? :-*
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Meh, you sound full of shit. He said you didnt build that. Romney didnt say that. Thanks for playing ace.
:-* ??? ::)
Both of them said that you didn't build it on your own. They both said that successful people and businesses need help or assistance along the way.
Don't stress about it man, your inability to comprehend rhetoric is not going to thwart your ability to be successful in life.
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Hows it going today? You winning over lots of hearts and minds with your brilliant rhetoric, chief?
Did you comprehend my statement to you, "Don't stress about it man, your inability to comprehend rhetoric is not going to thwart your ability to be successful in life"... as I write brilliant rhetoric which allows me to win over lots of hearts and minds?
I can only imagine the way your mind is comprehending and analyzing Obama and Romney's speeches. But, the logic you are using while analyzing my sentence and their speeches, is very consistent.
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You didnt comprehend my post correctly. I was simply asking you if you were winning over lots of hearts and minds with your brilliant rhetoric. Your response was an incoherrent meltdown.
Hows it going today?
For future reference, if you want to simply ask a question...don't quote the person AND then ask a question. Otherwise, myself and the other literate getbig folk, will assume there is some correlation between the quote and the question.
I will try and dumb down my posts, so they aren't "incoherrent" to you anymore. :-*
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For future reference, if you want to simply ask a question...don't quote the person AND then ask a question. Otherwise, myself and the other literate getbig folk, will assume there is some correlation between the quote and the question.
I will try and dumb down my posts, so they aren't "incoherrent" to you anymore. :-*
If you want to dumb down anything, just use obama's words when off the TelePrompTer. That should bring it down to a 3rd grade level.
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You dont make any sense.
Your response was an incoherrent meltdown.
In no way did i not understand your post.
Everyone understands your shitty fucking rambling posts.
In no way did i not understand your post.
Your logic and rational thinking is on par with a Pop-Tart®.
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Youre the worst poster on this board and thats sayin a lot.
Have a nice glass of fuck off faggit.
Youre very smart.
Really nice work quoting my post. You are a force to be reckoned with, huh shirley?
If you have a business you didnt build that. Romney never said that. Ever. Show me where he said it. Or you can continue with your horseshit.
You said, " myself and other literate getbiggers". Hahahahahahahahahahahqha hahaha. Do you have a lot of freinds?
;D
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And there it is.
The last ditch effort of a fucking tard.
The meltdown pic with the smiley face. Whew. Tough stuff there, guy. Whew. Quite funny and tough all at the same time. This one will win you lots of friends. Lots and lots of internet buddies.
They will all read your brilliant writing and realize that you are not only smart but funny and a tough guy but you dont need to brag about that. Only using your powers for good. Your thoughts are so interesting on politics tell me more.
Pop a blood pressure pill and take it easy Sally. If you aren't able to engage in friendly debate and banter without getting your panties in a bunch, stick with the Gossips & Opinions board.
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Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
Contrary to legend, it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war.
By L. GORDON CROVITZ
A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet."
It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way.
For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified."
That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network—a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks."
If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks.
But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today.
According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with."
So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens.
Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox.
Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another.
As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed—just as the commercial Web began to boom. Economist Tyler Cowen wrote in 2005: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia."
It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this challenge. Those who do—not the government—deserve the credit for making it happen.
A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really Invented the Internet?.
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If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen
DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO HENRY FORD?
U idiot. Henry ford didn't invent the automobile. He used somebody else's work and changed how it was made.
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You dont make any sense. And yre a meltdown queen. Congratulations shitstain.
In no way did i not understand your post. My anwre that you pulled apart did not reflect any misunderstanding. You are eag to sound smart and get acceptance. Only you dony sound smart pr get any acceptance.
Yourself and other literate getbig folk? Hahaha epic reach for acceptance. Loser. Hahaha.
Everyone understands your shitty fucking rambling posts. You must be late twenties. Loser
U idiot. Obama didn't invent spellcheck, so it's ok for you to try it.
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Pop a blood pressure pill and take it easy Sally. If you aren't able to engage in friendly debate and banter without getting your panties in a bunch, stick with the Gossips & Opinions board.
I think it's pretty obvious to most people reading this thread that you've been trying to talk sense with a couple of world class morons
your time is better spent trying to teach your dog card tricks rather than trying to have rational conversation with these idiots
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Take your own advice shitstain. Go fuvk yourself, champ.
There is nothing more gratifying than engaging in a debate with someone who resorts to name calling. That is when you know that they finally realized that they lost the debate and are unable to cope. So, what do they do D-Ware? They deviate attention from the issue by name calling in an attempt to save their manhood.
Moreover, I have frustrated you to such a degree during our discussion, that I have caused you to lose your temper and become angry. However weak you may feel deep inside D-Ware, you are only fooling yourself into believing you're strong by attempting to obscure such vulnerability through the smoke screen of anger. Anger is expressly designed to safeguard you from distressful emotions, such as feeling anxious, weak, inferior, and rejected. Do yourself a favor D-Ware and join and engage in a online forum that discusses such things as beanie babies or lincoln logs, so your chances of feeling anxious, weak, inferior, and rejected, will be greatly diminished.
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Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
Contrary to legend, it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war.
By L. GORDON CROVITZ
<SNIP>
A version of this article half-truth appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really Invented the Internet?.
Bullshit...
You need more education than that article.
Why don't you start here.
http://www.dei.isep.ipp.pt/~acc/docs/arpa.html
I'll just copy out the first paragraph...
Part I: The history of ARPA leading up to the ARPANET
A climate of pure research surrounded the entire history of the ARPANET. The Advanced Research Projects Agency was formed with an emphasis towards research, and thus was not oriented only to a military product. The formation of this agency was part of the U.S. reaction to the then Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik in 1957. (ARPA draft, III-6). ARPA was assigned to research how to utilize their investment in computers via Command and Control Research (CCR). Dr. J.C.R. Licklider was chosen to head this effort. Licklider came to ARPA from Bolt, Beranek and Newman, (BBN) in Cambridge, MA in October 1962. (ARPA draft, III-6)
I have NEVER said it was a Military project myself... Not once.
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Why? You have yet to claim ANY concern with Obama NOT referencing "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed." You didn't create this ongoing 13 page thread because Obama did not reference "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed."
Now that we are done with that nonsense, let's get to what prompted you to start this thread. You are angered over the STATEMENT, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." THAT is the statement you keep referencing constantly, correct? So, let's focus on what Obama AND Romney specifically referenced in their speeches in order to understand the STATEMENT that has you "lmao!!!" This will help clear up what Obama did and "did not reference" and it will allow us to compare his references to Romney's.
Okay, let the words speak for themselves.
Obama's Speech:
Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______
Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________
To Conclude:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "firefighters"
"investors," and "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________
"Let the words speak for themselves" (333386, July 22, 2012 at 12:43:27 PM):
"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.
So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
You are right however these people just need something to hate in this case Obama or the left logic and sound argumentations is lost on these people. Just look at the replies from D-Ware. You could easily have a more productive conversation with a chimp.
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Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
The family of Philadelphia cheesesteak king Joey Vento, who died last year, say he owed his success to brutal hours and hard work.
Long hours and hard work helped Joey Vento build a landmark restaurant in Philadelphia from the ground up, but that work ethic may have also sent him to an early grave.
That's why Eileen Vento's blood boiled when she heard President Obama declare last week that small business owners like her husband owed others for their success.
“That is ridiculous. My husband had $6 in his pocket when he started.” Vento said to FoxNews.com about Joey Vento, who opened Geno’s Steaks in 1966 in the neighborhood of South Philly.
“He worked hard his whole life to build the place up. We made a lot of money. Unfortunately he didn’t get to enjoy it.”
- Eileen Vento, widow of cheesesteak king Joey Vento
“He worked hard his whole life to build the place up. We made a lot of money. Unfortunately, he didn’t get to enjoy it,” she added.
Vento worked at the shop right up until a heart attack killed him last August at age 71. His widow believes 45 years of toil to build a prosperous life for his family took a toll on him. She bristled at the comment Obama made during a campaign stop in Roanoke, Va., last Friday when he said business owners owed some of their success to help along the way, noting that government often provides the infrastructure needed for success.
“If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
The comments created a backlash among small business owners and others across the country who feel that entrepreneurship is the backbone of the American economy. Vento's sister-in-law said Joey Vento owed his success to his own hard work and the loyal customers he cultivated.
“He went there at 3 or 4 in the morning and stayed until 11 every night. He did it seven days a week,” said Diana Vergagini. “And when he wasn’t there he'd call in at every shift change asking, ‘How did we do? What’s the bread count? What’s the steak count?’”
Vento gained national notoriety in 2006 when he posted a sign at the order window that read, “This is America: When ordering please ‘speak English.’”
The president's slight of entrepreneurs also riled David Ruff, owner of Petit Jean Meats, in Morrilton, Ark. He said his father and uncle began building the business in the 1920s, when they were kids and would deliver meat on their bicycles throughout the town, located an hour north of Little Rock. They spent their lifetimes making it a success, and Ruff remembers his father Edward's pride when they built a new 70,000-square-foot facility in the 1980s.
"When you start work at 12 years old and at 73 to see what it has become...," he said. "You can't help but be proud of that."
Edward Ruff died of heart failure in 1990 at age 73, but he lived to see the company he devoted his life to become a success. And his son, who now oversees a business that employs 70 people and has annual sales of $14 million, resents any implication that Petit Jean Meats was built on anything but generations of sweat.
"There wasn't a handout," David Ruff said. "We had to borrow the money from the bank. We didn't have any guarantee.
"This is what the president doesn't understand, the risks that people take."
"People work their tails off for 20-30 years before they see a return."
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The funny thing is that the Choomer in Chief NEVER built a damn thing in his life and has never worked a gard days work and he lectures others.
Obama is not fit to negotiate a speeding ticket yet his fellow marxists act like he is some tower of intellect. The reality is that he is a joke and a fraud and little else.
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Great Ad.
Fuck obama Fuck Warren!
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Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
The president's slight of entrepreneurs also riled David Ruff, owner of Petit Jean Meats, in Morrilton, Ark. He said his father and uncle began building the business in the 1920s, when they were kids and would deliver meat on their bicycles throughout the town, located an hour north of Little Rock. THEY spent THEIR lifetimeS making it a success, and Ruff remembers his father Edward's pride when they built a new 70,000-square-foot facility in the 1980s.
Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
Obama said, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help."
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Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
And his son, who now oversees a business that employs 70 people and has annual sales of $14 million, resents any implication that Petit Jean Meats was BUILT ON anything but GENERATIONS of SWEAT.
The part of the speech that was cut out of the article, but 33336 has graciously shared it:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, WE SUCCEED BECAUSE of our INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVE, but ALSO BECAUSE WE DO THINGS TOGETHER.
??? David Ruff ??? ??? Perry Chiaramonte ???
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In case David Ruff (or Dario) wants to vote for Romney due to Obama's July 13th quote and title of this thread, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," we might as well take a look at Romney's July 18th speech too.
Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
David Ruff said, "We had to borrow the money from the bank."
David Ruff's quote:
"We had to borrow the money from the bank."
Obama's quote:
“If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help."
Obama's quote in action:
David Ruff "didn't build that" without the bank. If your business was successful, somebody (maybe your father, your uncle, or...a banker ???) along the line gave you some help."
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David Ruff's quote:
"We had to borrow the money from the bank."
Romney's quote:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks."
Romney's quote in action:
David Ruff, "I know that you recognize A LOT of people helped you in that business." When you "had to borrow the money," it was specifically "the bank" that "helped you in that business."
;DALL TOGETHER NOW ;D
[Romney starts] "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. [Obama now] Matter of fact, David Ruff, "you didn't build that" without the help from - [Romney interjects] "perhaps the banks?"
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Obama says he has "no patience" for "you didn't build that" attacks
Politico.com ^ | 7/25/12 | Darren Samuelson
Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:54:06 AM
“And if you don’t like folks talking about you, you probably shouldn’t run for president. The one thing I do have no patience for is this argument that somehow what I’m criticizing is success… I want to promote success," Obama said.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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Obama: Unfiltered and Off the Teleprompter
Posted by David Webb on Jul 25, 2012
http://www.americanlivewire.com/obama-unfiltered-and-off-the-teleprompter
“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Unless you have been living under a rock, you heard this ideological gem uttered recently by Obama. Now, for a president during the middle of a campaign election that focuses on creating jobs to say that the people who create jobs – didn’t actually do that…well, you have to assume he is starting to drink his own “kool-aid.”
Well, this statement has set the blogosphere, the talking heads, the media pundits, and Obama’s personal PR firm – MSNBC – working overtime to try and deflect the idiocy onto anyone else. Meanwhile, the rest of us who live in the real world try to understand why an allegedly Harvard-educated individual would make such a colossal mistake.
So, let’s have at them – and see what shakes out.
The liberal left is saying that the Republicans are misrepresenting what Obama meant. That they are taking what he said completely out of context, that they are being obstructionists, that they are hating a black man in the White House – sorry…reflexive expectation. Let’s get back on track, shall we?
So, let’s present the whole context – the entire paragraph that included that now famous line.
“…If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet…”
So, I get it. Obama is right. The government IS responsible for my success. Why didn’t I see it all along? I am totally incapable of doing anything good if it wasn’t for the government. Man, how could I be sooo stupid? D’oh!
But, wouldn’t that also mean that the government is responsible for my failure as well? I mean if they get to take credit for my success, then they are to blame for my failure…right? So, that means the government is responsible for the following:
8.2% unemployment – over 8% since Obama has been in office
Workforce that has shrunk by over 7 million workers since Obama has been in office
Unemployment benefits that have been extended to 99 weeks
20 additional taxes that will kick in with the full implementation of Obamacare
Income inequality – since they are the ones who made some businesses more successful than others
Housing foreclosures
Environmental disasters – I mean you can’t blame BP since it is the government that made BP successful in the first place
Wall Street melt…
But…but…it’s Bush’s fault! (Sorry, these damn reflexive expectations.)
However, that is something that you don’t hear Obama (and the Democrats) proudly proclaiming, do you? They made you successful, but the Republicans made you fail – if you listen to them.
But, their logic does not work in the real world. Time for a rewind –
So, let’s present the whole context – the entire paragraph that included that now famous line.
“…If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet…”
The liberal left is stating that everyone is taking the president out of context. That he was not talking about the success of small business – he was talking abo…about…how infrastructure made your business successful.
So, the corner store where you buy your coffee on the way to work is successful because the government built a road to it. Really? That’s what you want to go with – a road makes that business successful. A road is why people come into that corner store to buy coffee?
So, the fact that someone passed a Starbucks, McDonald’s, and a Dunkin Donuts to buy coffee from that little corner store is because the government built a road is the reason they are successful – well, glory be to Obama!! Could it be because they made freshly brewed coffee that tasted better than the others and then sold it at a lower price which got people to drive by all of fancy chains to come visit that corner store.
It was the road that made my business successful. Hate to break it to you, this is not the Field of Dreams, they don’t come just because you built it. You have to build it, then you have to let people know it is there, then you have to work at it harder than anyone else so it is successful.
Care to try again?
“…If you were successful…There was a great teacher somewhere in your life…”
There are some wonderful teachers out there – hell, people have told me on more than one occasion I was one – but the reality is what makes a teacher great? The general answer is the success of the student. The real answer is that the student listened to the teacher and took it upon themselves to actually do the work and therefore made himself a better student. All the teacher did was to get the student to see the “light.”
You know I am right. For those of you over thirty, what happened when you didn’t do an assignment? You failed. You didn’t do the work for the entire year – you failed the grade. It was up to the individual student to do the work and pass on his own. No parents’ begging/complaining, no social promotion.
There are some great teachers out there, but they didn’t help me become successful – they challenged me to be successful on my own.
Got something else?
“…The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet…”
Hold up – I thought Al Gore created the internet. The government creating the internet made businesses successful, really?
I won’t even bore you with a history lesson – but realize that it was the government that made your online business successful. Think about it – start an online business, and BAM, you’re rich because the government made the Internet. That’s all it takes.
So, Facebook is a huge success – until it went public, but MySpace is dying; and they are both on the same internet. Why government? Why are you willing to let MySpace die? What did they ever do to you? Is it because the over 800 million worldwide users prefer Facebook’s functionality over MySpace?
No, that couldn’t be it. MySpace tried to do it on their own. So, whatever part of your life you think is a success, well – you didn’t earn it, the government did it for you.
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Great Ad.
Fuck obama Fuck Warren!
You can tell how desperate Brown must be if he feel the need to edit Obamas quote in order to mislead voters. What's with him throwing the flag on the ground. I wonder why none of his advisors explained to him that you're not supposed to let the flag touch the ground
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What about Joey Vento, nitwit?
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Vento worked at the shop right up until a heart attack killed him last August at age 71. His widow believes 45 years of toil to build a prosperous life for his family took a toll on him. She bristled at the comment Obama made during a campaign stop in Roanoke, Va., last Friday when he said business owners owed some of their success to help along the way, noting that government often provides the infrastructure needed for success.
“If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."
The comments created a backlash among small business owners and others across the country who feel that entrepreneurship is the backbone of the American economy. Vento's sister-in-law said Joey Vento owed his success to his own hard work and the loyal customers he cultivated.
“He went there at 3 or 4 in the morning and stayed until 11 every night. He did it seven days a week,” said Diana Vergagini. “And when he wasn’t there he'd call in at every shift change asking, ‘How did we do? What’s the bread count? What’s the steak count?’”
Vento gained national notoriety in 2006 when he posted a sign at the order window that read, “This is America: When ordering please ‘speak English.’”
The part of the speech that was cut out of the article, but 33336 has graciously shared it:
??? David Ruff ??? ??? Perry Chiaramonte ???
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This thread is a 14 page tribute to willful stupidity
Hey 333 have you finished paying back your student loans yet?
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Also, when Obama says that "someone helped you" he is talking about THE GOVERNMENT. He is not talking about someone's father or grandfather who started the business. He is talking about a bunch of politicians.
Yet you don't seem to understand that those roads don't get build if it's not for taxes. Nor do banks GIVE money away. THEY LEND MONEY AT INTEREST. The entrepreneur takes all the risk.
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The part of the speech that was cut out of the article, but 33336 has graciously shared it:
??? David Ruff ??? ??? Perry Chiaramonte ???
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This thread is a 14 page tribute to willful stupidity
You are right. Obama is a very stupid man. You finally posted something that resembles common sense.
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You are right. Obama is a very stupid man. You finally posted something that resembles common sense.
I take it you're also willfully uninformed or unitentionally ignorant
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I take it you're also willfully uninformed or unitentionally ignorant
So what the fuck did he mean? and spare me the Romney quote since obama never mentioned parents, church, etc. He rattled off govt spending in a mocking tone.
Amazing how a supposedly brilliant man can't string together a coherent sentence when off teleprompter.
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So what the fuck did he mean? and spare me the Romney quote since obama never mentioned parents, church, etc. He rattled off govt spending in a mocking tone.
Amazing how a supposedly brilliant man can't string together a coherent sentence when off teleprompter.
at this point HOW IS IT POSSIBLE you still don't know what he meant
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at this point HOW IS IT POSSIBLE you still don't know what he meant
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"IF YOU GOT A BUSINESS, YOU DIDNT DO THAT, SOMEBODY ELSE DID THAT"
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"IF YOU GOT A BUSINESS, YOU DIDNT DO THAT, SOMEBODY ELSE DID THAT"
is Obama saying someone else didn't build your business
wasn't this explained to you like 10 pages ago?
btw - have you finished paying your student loans yet?
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What about Joey Vento, nitwit?
If it wasn't for the government, Joey Vento would not have been the Cheesesteak King. It's clear that you are very intelligent and therefore, two words will suffice:
Theodore Roosevelt
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Since my sole purpose of commenting in this thread is to point out that this issue is moot because both presidential candidates agree, I will reiterate that point once more.
With regard to Joey Vento's story as told by his wife Eileen:
Someone else made that happen? Business owners know hard work, long hours lead to success -- and an early grave
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published July 24, 2012
Eileen Vento bristled at the comment Obama made during a campaign stop in Roanoke, Va., last Friday when he said business owners owed some of their success to help along the way, noting that government often provides the infrastructure needed for success.
Romney's Quote:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s NO question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
*Note, they said EXACTLY the same thing regarding "infrastructure needed for success":
Romeny said: "the people who provide roads"
Obama said: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges"
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Also, when Obama says that "someone helped you" he is talking about THE GOVERNMENT. He is talking about a bunch of politicians.
He is?
He never used the word "someone." Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."
The ONLY examples of "somebody" in Obama's speech:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU "the government" Dario?)
So, no Dario....when he referenced "somebody," he explicitly stated 3 examples that are NOT the government. Thus, your contention that "when Obama says that 'someone helped you' he is talking about THE GOVERNMENT," is 100% incorrect.
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Also, when Obama says that "someone helped you" he is talking about THE GOVERNMENT. He is not talking about someone's father or grandfather who started the business. He is talking about a bunch of politicians.
He's not?
He did not need to recite a list of every possible "somebody" that may have helped you along the way. However, he did start broadly by saying, "somebody along the line gave you some help." Obama continued, by giving 3 specific examples of "somebodies"...he even used the word "somebody," when referencing the specific "somebodies," for the people who may be a little slow...
As I mentioned, Obama started broadly with the word "somebody," which can encompass any person. He used "somebody" again, referencing tax payers, a more narrow group of "somebodies" than the any person group. He referenced "teachers" in the midst of dropping the "s" word, again...a more narrow group of "somebodies" than the tax payers group. I know you're gonna say he's crazy, but Obama even referenced a group that is more narrow than the teacher group of "somebodies," our Founding Fathers.
Accordingly, when Obama said "somebody," he was referencing, among others, any person, which includes fathers and grandfathers.
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Yet you don't seem to understand that those roads don't get build if it's not for taxes.
In the quote you referenced by me, the word "tax" was not mentioned once. The word "road" was mentioned just one time and it was a quote from Obama's speech. In fact, the quote you referenced was ONLY quoted material from your article and Obama's speech (courtesy of 333386). To say it's unclear how you came to such a conclusion, would be an understatement. Do you read ANYTHING before you post about it on getbig?
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Nor do banks GIVE money away. THEY LEND MONEY AT INTEREST. The entrepreneur takes all the risk.
Please quote me where I said anything in regard to idea that banks GIVE money away.
Please quote me where I said anything in regard to idea that banks do NOT lend money with interest.
"The Entrepreneur takes ALL the risk?" Doesn't this completely contradict your other point of view, that banks don't GIVE money away?
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U idiot. Or genius archaeo-sociological-time traveling type of genius... A self made photo of pre-men(can't rely on prehistoric camera men or timers)? And u found out that the guy who self taught flint chipping was also the guy who "taught" himself to skin and tan hide, then weave it to a tool stripped stick? (he also made the stripping and leathering tools by himself... Btw)....
Troll. Iq too low for human. Done.
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the fact that republicans are arguing pronouns, and not the economy, mean obama is winning another week in the public's eye.
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Krauthammer: Romney Ought To Run "You Didn't Build That" Ad On An Endless Loop Until The End Of Time
"Yeah, because it was the ultimate gaffe," syndicated columnist and FOX News contributor Charles Krauthammer said when asked if he thinks the "you didn't build it" line has legs. "It betrayed what he believes. And in context you can see because he elaborates on this. It isn't one sentence that slipped out. I think the RNC, Romney ought to run that ad -- ought to run the whole context, the whole thing, in an endless loop until the end of time or at least until the election, which seems about the same length of time. But it is so damning."
"For Obama to say what I meant is we have to support -- we don't have to get behind success, I would play that and then just show him beginning his remarks with mocking of success and saying, 'You think you're so smart, that it was your intelligence? You think that it was your hard work?' In other words, he was saying, in introducing the whole idea, that if you succeeded, it wasn't your brains or your sweat; it was what? It was government. That's what he believes. It's the essence of his philosophy of society, that it is government-centered. Whereas, the conservative Republican idea essentially is individually-centered. It is a contrast that is absolutely extreme and is very clear. And because it's so revealing, Obama has to pretend he said something else. He didn't. All you have to do is watch the tape, read the transcript," Krauthammer said on "Special Report."
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BINGO!
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I recently listened to the full speech Obama gave regarding the "you didn't build that" and I find it disgusting to say the least. Being taken out of context is the least of it....its a clear and blatant attempt to deceive the public. This whole thing was made up to distract from Romney releasing his tax records and its a bizarre way of doing it....just straight out lying
This is the type of politics I hate the most....however fortunately in the days of internet and immediate access, people can't be tricked like they used to. This has already backfired on Romney but even worse, it takes away from his moral values platform that he's running one.
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I recently listened to the full speech Obama gave regarding the "you didn't build that" and I find it disgusting to say the least. Being taken out of context is the least of it....its a clear and blatant attempt to deceive the public. This whole thing was made up to distract from Romney releasing his tax records and its a bizarre way of doing it....just straight out lying
This is the type of politics I hate the most....however fortunately in the days of internet and immediate access, people can't be tricked like they used to. This has already backfired on Romney but even worse, it takes away from his moral values platform that he's running one.
What is his context? Tell me. Did he mention coaches, mom , dad, church, etc?
No! He rattled off govt spending.
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What is his context? Tell me. Did he mention coaches, mom , dad, church, etc?
No! He rattled off govt spending.
Hey 333 - don't forget to thank your government for guaranteeing student loans without which you would have never be able to become the dumbest attorney on the planet
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If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
jesus h christ.. what are we talking about here
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If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
jesus h christ.. what are we talking about here
we're indulging a certified moron
just like we do every day
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If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
jesus h christ.. what are we talking about here
Where does the govt get the $$$$$ to build roads and bridges?
And secondly - obama rails against businesses success, well about failures? Who does he blame for that?
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What is his context? Tell me. Did he mention coaches, mom , dad, church, etc?
No! He rattled off govt spending.
Yes
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Krauthammer: Romney Ought To Run "You Didn't Build That" Ad On An Endless Loop Until The End Of Time
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BINGO!
How does having more and more people know Romney is a liar helpful to Romney?
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Krauthammer: Romney Ought To Run "You Didn't Build That" Ad On An Endless Loop Until The End Of Time
"For Obama to say what I meant is we have to support -- we don't have to get behind success, I would play that and then just show him beginning his remarks with mocking of success and saying, 'You think you're so smart, that it was your intelligence? You think that it was your hard work?' In other words, he was saying, in introducing the whole idea, that if you succeeded, it wasn't your brains or your sweat; it was what? It was government. All you have to do is watch the tape, read the transcript," Krauthammer said on "Special Report."
333386, send Krauthammer YOUR first post in this thread. Then HE will in fact have read the transcript and refrain from making such uninformed comments.
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
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333386, send Krauthammer YOUR first post in this thread. Then HE will in fact have read the transcript and refrain from making such uninformed comments.
that won't stop him
Krauthammer knows exactly what Obama said and so does Romney
They also know that many of their potential Repub voters are f'ng STUPID and will believe whatever horseshit they say and they will look at the edited clip and never question for a second that it's misleading
Anyone who thinks that Obama said "You didn't build your business" is basically telling the world they are an idiot
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Where does the govt get the $$$$$ to build roads and bridges?
Obama answers this question in his speech. The very speech YOU have copied and pasted as YOUR first post. I'll re-post it for you and assist you, again.
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
1. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
2. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That
would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
1. He answers your question.
2. He explains his answer.
And secondly - obama rails against businesses success, well about failures? Who does he blame for that?
Where do we go after we die? See, I can ask random questions too. Neither Obama nor Romney touch on this in their speeches regarding people needing help when running their businesses. Why would any of us answer for them?
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that won't stop him
Krauthammer knows exactly what Obama said and so does Romney
They also know that many of their potential Repub voters are f'ng STUPID and will believe whatever horseshit they say and they will look at the edited clip and never question for a second that it's misleading
Anyone who thinks that Obama said "You didn't build your business" is basically telling the world they are an idiot
Of course. Just have to keep the getbig family informed...
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Return to the Article
July 26, 2012
You Didn't Build It...because I Didn't Earn It
By Abraham H. Miller
It isn't socialism that explains Obama's dismissive "you didn't build that" remark toward people of talent and individual initiative; it's the culture of affirmative action. As I listened to Obama's silly, if not pathetic, comments, I was reminded of nothing so much as the comments and attitudes of people like him: the so-called "multicultural" affirmative-action students one encounters in colleges and universities.
These are people who, like Obama, earned little except a greased skid because of the color of their skin. They knew that by any competitive standard of merit, they were undeserving. The faculty and other students knew it. And the affirmative action students knew that everyone knew it.
Obama knows he didn't have what it took to get into Columbia, and he didn't have what it took to get into Harvard Law. Let's face an inescapable reality. If Obama had great grades, his transcripts would be in a full-page ad in the New York Times.
Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review (HLR) without ever having an article published in it, a status that separated him from every other HLR president who preceded him. In fact, while Obama was the HLR's first black president, few people know that 70 years earlier, Charles Houston had become the HLR's first black editor, contradicting the myth that black people cannot succeed without affirmative action. Obama didn't possess the skills to be on the HLR, let alone to be the review's president.
What Obama had was an ascriptive characteristic, slightly black skin, at a time when there were racial divisions -- some real, some manipulated -- that were fracturing the Harvard law student body. Obama was chosen to ameliorate political tensions, not because of his brilliance.
If you come of age in an environment where nearly everyone around you competed and worked hard to get where they are and you didn't, the way you defend against the inevitable ensuing feelings of inadequacy is to create a psychological rationale that no one, absolutely no one, got anywhere except with a leg up and a helping hand from others. Their "affirmative action" is just less conspicuous than yours, but the bottom line is that you are no different from them.
When faculty make affirmative-action hires, each of those hires knows that there were people passed over who were eminently more qualified for the position -- people who worked harder and published more in better places. In an environment that truly valued achievement over ascription, they, not you, would have been hired. Your very presence is a testimonial that the system is corrupt.
So, the inner voice says, I didn't build it; I know that, but neither did they. I assuage my guilt by making my reality their reality. I am redefining success and all that goes into it to conform to my own reality.
For Obama, the psychological dissonance was made even greater when he was granted a Nobel Peace Prize not for what he accomplished, but for what he was supposed to accomplish and obviously hasn't.
There have been calls in colleges and universities to exempt black students from all examinations -- not just standardized tests -- because such examinations are culturally biased. There has been a heated discussion over the elimination of the AP (advanced placement) and honors programs at elite public high schools because few minorities qualify for the classes. And hardly a semester goes by without someone calling for grading black students on Ebonics rather than on the criteria of standard college English, the English which, allegedly, everyone is supposed to master in college.
This mindset proposes that whites made it only because the culture itself is their affirmative action. They didn't build it; the culture enabled them to build it. No one builds anything; every creation is a product of cultural accommodation, an accommodation that minorities do not receive.
This is the racial variant of Marx's fundamental concepts of the base and superstructure, concepts from which the entire Marxist critique of civilization emanates. The economic base -- the system of production -- determines everything else. That everything else, Marxists call the superstructure. Consequently, art, history, literature, drama, even science are all determined by the economic base and designed to legitimize it.
Racial nationalists have simply supplanted economics with race. With race as the base, the superstructure -- the culture of society -- is simply the legitimizing instrument of race. According to this mindset, blacks and other minorities can't succeed because the system is designed intrinsically to cause them to fail.
With Obama, we have entered a new cultural era, one where the very foundations of individual initiative, creativity, and achievement are called into question. Obama didn't build it -- and it only appears that others did, because their skin color enabled them to achieve.
Welcome to the new post-racial society, where there is no such thing as individual achievement.
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July 26, 2012
You Didn't Build It...because I Didn't Earn It
By Abraham H. Miller
It isn't socialism that explains Obama's dismissive "you didn't build that" remark toward people of talent and individual initiative; it's the culture of affirmative action. As I listened to Obama's silly, if not pathetic, comments, I was reminded of nothing so much as the comments and attitudes of people like him: the so-called "multicultural" affirmative-action students one encounters in colleges and universities.
These are people who, like Obama, earned little except a greased skid because of the color of their skin. They knew that by any competitive standard of merit, they were undeserving. The faculty and other students knew it. And the affirmative action students knew that everyone knew it.
Obama knows he didn't have what it took to get into Columbia, and he didn't have what it took to get into Harvard Law. Let's face an inescapable reality. If Obama had great grades, his transcripts would be in a full-page ad in the New York Times.
Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review (HLR) without ever having an article published in it, a status that separated him from every other HLR president who preceded him. In fact, while Obama was the HLR's first black president, few people know that 70 years earlier, Charles Houston had become the HLR's first black editor, contradicting the myth that black people cannot succeed without affirmative action. Obama didn't possess the skills to be on the HLR, let alone to be the review's president.
What Obama had was an ascriptive characteristic, slightly black skin, at a time when there were racial divisions -- some real, some manipulated -- that were fracturing the Harvard law student body. Obama was chosen to ameliorate political tensions, not because of his brilliance.
If you come of age in an environment where nearly everyone around you competed and worked hard to get where they are and you didn't, the way you defend against the inevitable ensuing feelings of inadequacy is to create a psychological rationale that no one, absolutely no one, got anywhere except with a leg up and a helping hand from others. Their "affirmative action" is just less conspicuous than yours, but the bottom line is that you are no different from them.
When faculty make affirmative-action hires, each of those hires knows that there were people passed over who were eminently more qualified for the position -- people who worked harder and published more in better places. In an environment that truly valued achievement over ascription, they, not you, would have been hired. Your very presence is a testimonial that the system is corrupt.
So, the inner voice says, I didn't build it; I know that, but neither did they. I assuage my guilt by making my reality their reality. I am redefining success and all that goes into it to conform to my own reality.
For Obama, the psychological dissonance was made even greater when he was granted a Nobel Peace Prize not for what he accomplished, but for what he was supposed to accomplish and obviously hasn't.
There have been calls in colleges and universities to exempt black students from all examinations -- not just standardized tests -- because such examinations are culturally biased. There has been a heated discussion over the elimination of the AP (advanced placement) and honors programs at elite public high schools because few minorities qualify for the classes. And hardly a semester goes by without someone calling for grading black students on Ebonics rather than on the criteria of standard college English, the English which, allegedly, everyone is supposed to master in college.
This mindset proposes that whites made it only because the culture itself is their affirmative action. They didn't build it; the culture enabled them to build it. No one builds anything; every creation is a product of cultural accommodation, an accommodation that minorities do not receive.
This is the racial variant of Marx's fundamental concepts of the base and superstructure, concepts from which the entire Marxist critique of civilization emanates. The economic base -- the system of production -- determines everything else. That everything else, Marxists call the superstructure. Consequently, art, history, literature, drama, even science are all determined by the economic base and designed to legitimize it.
Racial nationalists have simply supplanted economics with race. With race as the base, the superstructure -- the culture of society -- is simply the legitimizing instrument of race. According to this mindset, blacks and other minorities can't succeed because the system is designed intrinsically to cause them to fail.
With Obama, we have entered a new cultural era, one where the very foundations of individual initiative, creativity, and achievement are called into question. Obama didn't build it -- and it only appears that others did, because their skin color enabled them to achieve.
Welcome to the new post-racial society, where there is no such thing as individual achievement.
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why do you constantly post articles from other websites or blogs
Most of the time they are redundant and just regurgitate the same false information
If you're going to contribute nonsense why can't you just use your own words
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If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
jesus h christ.. what are we talking about here
Again i ask... What are we talking about over here
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President Obama Can't Even Give Away His Big Government Product
US President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign event July 13, 2012 in Roanoke, Virginia. "If government is as wonderful as Obama says it is, why doesn’t he ask us to pay what it costs? Why doesn’t he raise the price – taxes – to a point where the deficit is zero?" AFP PHOTO/Mandel NGAN. (Image credit: AFP/Getty Images via @daylife)
If Bill Clinton threw six feet of dirt on the love of bureaucracy when he declared “the era of big government is over” in his 1996 State of the Union speech, President Obama is a grave-robber, a Dr. Frankenstein determined to jolt some life back into the corpse. In a way he has succeeded: Federal spending has jumped from 20 percent to 24 percent of GDP on his watch. And yet concurrent with that, there has been a mass revulsion toward the lumbering monster Dr. Obama is telling us we should regard as our benevolent friend.
Even more remarkable is that we fear additional government even though Obama has not yet succeeded in charging Americans more for all of this supposed bounty, having largely gone along with Republican wishes to keep income taxes at the same level. Somehow, the polls suggest, even a people showered with freebies aren’t feeling grateful.
Think about that. You don’t begrudge Apple when they charge you for their latest work of niftiness. You know they earn a profit, and that doesn’t bother you either. You think you’re better off with their product than with the cash you parted with. You leave the store whistling a happy tune.
Not so with government, much to Obama’s chagrin. Not only do the voters not like the idea of buying what he’s selling, Obama can’t even give away his product. He is like a mother who offers her children ice cream first, spinach later — and the kids are rejecting the ice cream.
Let’s do the president a favor and interpret his instantly notorious “You didn’t build that” speech the way he would like us to: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” he said in Roanoke, Va., on July 13. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Let us assume all this is true (it isn’t: for instance, it was not “government research” alone that gave us what we now know as the Internet), and that all of it had to be true (that public schools are the only way to encounter a “great teacher” is a curious implication coming from a man who attended private schools and sends his children to one, while roads need not be funded by broad taxes on everyone but could easily be paid for by user fees such as gasoline taxes and tolls ).
If government is as wonderful as Obama says it is, why doesn’t he ask us to pay what it costs? Why doesn’t he raise the price – taxes – to a point where the deficit is zero?
Instead, Obama keeps insisting that only a few people should be asked to pay “a little bit more,” by restoring Clinton-era income taxes on high earners. The president frames this argument in terms of fairness, though, not pretending that it would make much of a dent in the deficit, which would continue to be gargantuan in any case.
The top 20 percent of earners already pay two-thirds of federal income taxes, hence they pay disproportionately for the things Obama implies they do not pay for at all (the top 20 percent aren’t driving two-thirds of the cars on the roads and bridges, nor are their children taking two-thirds of the seats in the public schools). Taxation has gotten much more progressive since 1979, when this group paid only 55 percent of all federal income taxes.
The great myth of the Democratic party is that the voters simply need to be vigorously reminded that government does great things for them, and when at last the citizenry is properly educated it will happily agree to pay for everything it is getting. Sure, at first only the rich will pay more, but as society gets remade along Western European lines eventually everyone will realize that we’re all in this together — and grow up and pay for the privilege of membership in such a cozy, warm family.
Federal tax revenues from all sources amounted to $2.3 trillion in fiscal 2011, yet we are getting $3.6 trillion in those government programs Obama loves so dearly. If Obama’s Roanoke speech ended by saying, “and by the way, I’m offering you all of this at the low, low price of a tax increase on you of over 50 percent,” would he have any supporters at all?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kylesmith/2012/07/26/president-obama-cant-even-give-away-his-big-government-product
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Four Little Words
Why the Obama campaign is suddenly so worried.
By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
What's the difference between a calm and cool Barack Obama, and a rattled and worried Barack Obama? Four words, it turns out.
"You didn't build that" is swelling to such heights that it has the president somewhere unprecedented: on defense. Mr. Obama has felt compelled—for the first time in this campaign—to cut an ad in which he directly responds to the criticisms of his now-infamous speech, complaining his opponents took his words "out of context."
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That ad follows two separate ones from his campaign attempting damage control. His campaign appearances are now about backpedaling and proclaiming his love for small business. And the Democratic National Committee produced its own panicked memo, which vowed to "turn the page" on Mr. Romney's "out of context . . . BS"—thereby acknowledging that Chicago has lost control of the message.
The Obama campaign has elevated poll-testing and focus-grouping to near-clinical heights, and the results drive the president's every action: his policies, his campaign venues, his targeted demographics, his messaging. That Mr. Obama felt required—teeth-gritted—to address the "you didn't build that" meme means his vaunted focus groups are sounding alarms.
The obsession with tested messages is precisely why the president's rare moments of candor—on free enterprise, on those who "cling to their guns and religion," on the need to "spread the wealth around"—are so revealing. They are a look at the real man. It turns out Mr. Obama's dismissive words toward free enterprise closely mirror a speech that liberal Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren gave last August.
Ms. Warren's argument—that government is the real source of all business success—went viral and made a profound impression among the liberal elite, who have been pushing for its wider adoption. Mr. Obama chose to road-test it on the national stage, presumably thinking it would underline his argument for why the wealthy should pay more. It was a big political misstep, and now has the Obama team seriously worried.
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The president at a campaign stop in Roanoke, Va., July 13.
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And no wonder. The immediate effect was to suck away the president's momentum. Mr. Obama has little positive to brag about, and his campaign hinges on keeping negative attention on his opponent. For months, the president's team hammered on Mr. Romney's time at Bain, his Massachusetts tenure, his tax returns. "You didn't build that" shifted the focus to the president, and his decision to respond to the criticisms has only legitimized them and guaranteed they continue.
The Obama campaign's bigger problem, both sides are now realizing, is that his words go beyond politics and are more devastating than the Romney complaints that Mr. Obama is too big-government oriented or has mishandled the economy. They raise the far more potent issue of national identity and feed the suspicion that Mr. Obama is actively hostile to American ideals and aspirations. Republicans are doing their own voter surveys, and they note that Mr. Obama's problem is that his words cause an emotional response, and that they disturb voters in nearly every demographic.
It's why Mr. Obama's "out of context" complaints aren't getting traction. The Republican National Committee's response to that gripe was to run an ad that shows a full minute of Mr. Obama's rant at the Roanoke, Va., campaign event on July 13. In addition to "you didn't build that," the president also put down those who think they are "smarter" or "work harder" than others. Witness the first president to demean the bedrock American beliefs in industriousness and exceptionalism. The "context" only makes it worse.
This gets to the other reason the Obama campaign is rattled: "You didn't build that" threatens to undermine its own argument against Mr. Romney. Mr. Obama has been running on class warfare and the notion that Mr. Romney is a wealthy one-percenter out of touch with average Americans. Yet few things better symbolize the average American than a small-business owner. To the extent that Mr. Romney is positioning himself as champion of that little business guy and portraying Mr. Obama as something alien, he could flip the Obama narrative on its head.
It would be all the more potent were Mr. Romney to use "you didn't build that" to launch his own economic narrative. One unexpected side effect of "you didn't build that" is that it has emboldened the GOP to re-embrace and glory in free enterprise (so abused since the financial crash). And the president's disparaging attack on business has also made voters more open to a defense of it.
Meaning, it's a perfect time to marry emotion with some policy. Mr. Romney has explained why the president doesn't get it. The next step is to explain why his own tax policies, regulatory proposals, and entitlement plans are the answer for those who actually do the building. The president is on defense. We'll see if Mr. Romney can keep him there.
Write to kim@wsj.com
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Again i ask... What are we talking about over here
IMHO opinion he is basically saying is that no matter how smart or hard working you are you will not succeed unless someone else ( implying government ) is there to "help" you. Ridiculous.
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
Who exactly invested in roads and bridges? The government? Well the only way that happens is through taxation since the government itself doesn't produce anything. As if to imply if not for the government there would be no roads or bridges, I disagree. And by judging the quality of the roads in IL, I can believe the government had a hand in it, the roads suck.
My opinion on the "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that" statement, is most likely a continuation of the roads and bridges "thought". Implying if not for the roads and bridges the business could not succeed. But since we have all been told that the POTUS is the greatest orator of all time, he would never make a mistake like that.
The government created the internet? Not so much.
The whole speech is simply more of the Obama collectivist bullshit.
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Obama: I Defy You To Believe What I Said About Business
Townhall.com ^ | July 27, 2012 | David Limbaugh
Posted on July 27, 2012 7:43:03 AM EDT by Kaslin
Obama's desperate protests that his anti-business rant was taken out of context are betrayed both by that very context and because they are a part of a piece -- just one more component of his war against the American entrepreneurial spirit.
He would have us believe that his words "you didn't build that" referred to roads and bridges and not businesses.
Given his accompanying statements -- "you didn't get there on your own," etc. -- that is an absurd construction. But even if that's what he meant, why would he have felt compelled to point out that businesses don't succeed without access to roads and bridges? Do roads and bridges not connect the population to failed businesses?
Why would any American president be inclined to think or talk this way? Of course governments -- funded by individual and business revenues, by the way -- build the roads and bridges, to successful and failed businesses.
But why isn't Obama moved instead to echo the words of past presidents, who championed small businesses, such as those showcased in Sen. Scott Brown's campaign ad?
Can anyone imagine Obama, on or off prompter and not under duress, saying the following words, which were said by President Lyndon Baines Johnson? "I am so proud of our system of government, of our system of free enterprise, where our incentive system and our men who head our big industries are willing to get up at daylight and work till midnight to offer employment and create new jobs for people."
Can you picture Obama, like Ronald Reagan, praising American small businesses as heroes for feeding "a hungry world and keep(ing) our families warm while they invest in the future to build a better America"?
Obama is way too busy criticizing capitalism and the free market for any number of sins that exist only in his mind. Obama can't possibly champion as heroes those whom he believes have so unfairly exploited a system at the expense of a victim class.
Obama hasn't only attacked small businesses; his war against Americana is much more wide-sweeping. He has embarked on an unmistakable course to reward sloth, dependency and covetousness and punish hard work and achievement. He has stood on its head the old adage that it is better to teach a man to fish than to give him fish.
Nor has he fostered a climate of voluntary Christian charity. He hasn't even encouraged fishermen to give their fish to others. He doesn't want them to do it on their own. He insists on government's taxing and regulating the fishermen and their fishing poles -- not to mention a surtax for crossing the roads and bridges leading to their fishing ponds -- and impounding their fish for redistribution to those he is discouraging from even visiting the pond, much less grabbing a pole.
For example, there was a bipartisan consensus that the 1996 welfare reform measures were overwhelmingly successful, reducing the number of people on welfare, illegitimacy and poverty, especially among minorities. The reforms were helping people regain their dignity and self-sufficiency, but Obama simply couldn't tolerate it, so he unilaterally and lawlessly removed the work requirement in the law.
Why? Does he want fewer people supporting themselves? In his term, the number of people not paying income taxes has greatly increased. He is incentivizing states to expand, as opposed to reduce, their food stamp programs. He has insisted on extending unemployment benefits, despite evidence showing that such extensions increase, rather than decrease, unemployment.
In addition, Obama vilifies the so-called wealthy and uses his bully pulpit to deceive Americans into believing they are not paying their fair share, when they pay staggeringly more taxes than all other income groups. In stumping for the "Buffett rule" and higher taxes and more burdensome regulations, he has led Americans to believe that millionaires and billionaires are paying less than their secretaries -- an out and out lie.
He has attacked corporations and their executives, suggesting they are impersonal, malicious, profit-sucking entities that exist to exploit people and prey on the poor.
Indeed, if it weren't so obvious that Obama is contemptuous of the free enterprise system and longs for some utopian workers paradise where equality of outcome is guaranteed instead of equality of opportunity, he wouldn't have to spend so much time pleading he is a fierce advocate of the market.
Obama doesn't have to fool all the people all the time -- just enough to win the swing states. If you can believe that Obama was truly against same-sex marriage when he said he was, that he is for an "all of the above" energy policy, that Obamacare won't come between patients and their doctors and will decrease costs, or that Obama has been the most frugal president in the past 60 years, I could sell you any bridge (or road), and I suppose you can believe he isn't the enem
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IMHO opinion he is basically saying is that no matter how smart or hard working you are you will not succeed unless someone else ( implying government ) is there to "help" you. Ridiculous.
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
Who exactly invested in roads and bridges? The government? Well the only way that happens is through taxation since the government itself doesn't produce anything. As if to imply if not for the government there would be no roads or bridges, I disagree. And by judging the quality of the roads in IL, I can believe the government had a hand in it, the roads suck.
My opinion on the "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that" statement, is most likely a continuation of the roads and bridges "thought". Implying if not for the roads and bridges the business could not succeed. But since we have all been told that the POTUS is the greatest orator of all time, he would never make a mistake like that.
The government created the internet? Not so much.
The whole speech is simply more of the Obama collectivist bullshit.
thats exactly what it is... you know it... i know it.. stevie wonder can see it...but hey if its a rallying cry... fuck it..
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The obamabots are trying to bail out barry claiming that it was taken out of context, which it wasn't. Stating the he didn't mean what he clearly said. And some are stupid enough to agree and actually try to defend his warped thinking on this issue.
Obama is reeling now. Those are words that he can't take back and his supporters will not be able to explain away those statements. He is on the defensive and will stay there as long as the focus of the election is on what is most important, which is the economy.
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The obamabots are trying to bail out barry claiming that it was taken out of context, which it wasn't. Stating the he didn't mean what he clearly said. And some are stupid enough to agree and actually try to defend his warped thinking on this issue.
Obama is reeling now. Those are words that he can't take back and his supporters will not be able to explain away those statements. He is on the defensive and will stay there as long as the focus of the election is on what is most important, which is the economy.
When you hear the whole clip its even worse.
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When you hear the whole clip its even worse.
why do you keep constantly posting other peoples words
hey when are you going to thank the government you hate so much because without the help of the government you never would have gotten the student loans which enabled you to become the dumbest lawyer on the planet
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thats exactly what it is... you know it... i know it.. stevie wonder can see it...but hey if its a rallying cry... fuck it..
It is what it is, he is the POTUS, and supposedly this great speaker. He should know better than to leave anything to question which is exactly what he did. Do I think it's petty bullshit? Yes, but in this day and age you better have all your shit together before you open your mouth.
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It is what it is, he is the POTUS, and supposedly this great speaker. He should know better than to leave anything to question which is exactly what he did. Do I think it's petty bullshit? Yes, but in this day and age you better have all your shit together before you open your mouth.
Ill give you that... but understand.. nothing will ever get settled if we waste time over 100% confirmed bullshit...
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Ill give you that... but understand.. nothing will ever get settled if we waste time over 100% confirmed bullshit...
The problem is that there are so few and rare moments when obama is off teleprompter that these statements get so much attention.
These candid statements, just like "Our plan worked" reveal far more about obama than 100 of his fake speeches.
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Ill give you that... but understand.. nothing will ever get settled if we waste time over 100% confirmed bullshit...
That is exactly what this petty bullshit is about, keep the peons distracted from real issues. If we actually were interested in what was going on behind the scenes not one politician would still have a job come election time
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That is exactly what this petty bullshit is about, keep the peons distracted from real issues. If we actually were interested in what was going on behind the scenes not one politician would still have a job come election time
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These candid statements, just like "Our plan worked" reveal far more about obama than 100 of his fake speeches.
The fact that you are finding so many articles by Romney supporters who don't realize that Romney feels the exact same way...is quite humorous.
The fact that you said the above statement is proof you are either trolling or mentally incompetent.
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The fact that you are finding so many articles by Romney supporters who don't realize that Romney feels the exact same way...is quite humorous.
The fact that you said the above statement is proof you are either trolling or mentally incompetent.
No its not the same thing. Obama rattled off GOVERNMENT spending only. Huge difference.
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No its not the same thing. Obama rattled off GOVERNMENT spending only. Huge difference.
Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."
Obama's exact words:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
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-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
Who gives the government the money to invest?
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Who gives the government the money to invest?
The taxpayers do. Why do you ask?
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The taxpayers do. Why do you ask?
Because you asked this:
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
So 333 is the government in this case.
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So 333 is the government in this case.
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He pays taxes to the government. He is not the government.
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No its not the same thing. Obama rattled off GOVERNMENT spending only. Huge difference.
Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."
Obama's exact words:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
I answer your questions using his EXACT words.
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"If you got a business . . . . you didnt create that . . . someone else did"
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"If you got a business . . . . you didnt create that . . . someone else did"
Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."
Obama's exact words:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
Oh, and Romney agrees:
Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s NO question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Next?
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"If you got a business . . . . you didnt create that . . . someone else did"
Seriously SLYY has owned your ass like 10 times in this thread why do you keep lying?
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Seriously SLYY has owned your ass like 10 times in this thread why do you keep lying?
Absolutely true
the only conclusion can be that 333 is just not that bright and really can't understand what SLYY is saying
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Again, obama said - if you have a buisness, you didn't build that. If he was even referring to the system we have here, he is wrong since the tax revenue generated by the businesses are was created and sustains the system since the govt has no resources without borrowing or taxing said businesses.
so what ever meaning you place on obamas statement he is wrong.
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Again, obama said - if you have a buisness, you didn't build that. If he was even referring to the system we have here, he is wrong since the tax revenue generated by the businesses are was created and sustains the system since the govt has no resources without borrowing or taxing said businesses.
so what ever meaning you place on obamas statement he is wrong.
Asked...
Where does the govt get the $$$$$ to build roads and bridges?
and answered counselor...(a few times now and by your own post nonetheless)
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
1. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
2. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That
would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Again, your question is answered by your very own post...in Obama's EXACT words. Also, Romney agrees with Obama 100% on this issue.
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Why "You Didn't Build That" Stings the Successful
by David Frum | July 27, 2012 4:55 PM EDT
President Barack Obama addresses a crowd in the pouring rain during a campaign stop at Walkerton Tavern in Glenn Allen, Va., Saturday, July 14, 2012. (Steve Helber / AP Photo)
Jonathan Chait stirred up trouble today. Chait suggested a racial undercurrent in the reaction to President Obama's now-notorious "you didn't build that" comment.
Racial undercurrents eddy through everything, but I've got a more parsimonious theory about why the president's words in Roanoke, Virginia, on July 13 have jolted so many people—including many who are not usually prone to be ignited by the usual pretend outrages.
Compare & contrast the president's words to the now-famous words of Massachusetts candidate for U.S. Senate Elizabeth Warren, from whom he apparently borrowed the frame of his Roanoke speech.
Warren:
There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.
You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.
Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
Warren is offering a single message: your success was made possible by the contributions of others, now you must contribute in turn. Nobody would seriously dispute her claim. We're just left to haggle over price: Should the successful pay forward 36% of their success or 39% or 28% or what.
Contrast President Obama:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
Obama combines two ideas: the familiar and broadly acceptable idea in Elzabeth Warren's speech—and a second, much more destabilizing idea.
I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Obama's second idea is that success is to a great extent random, a matter of luck. You think you succeeded because you were smart or hard-working? Listen—a lot of smart and hard-working people don't succeed.
This second idea is not original to the president, obviously. In fact, Friedrich Hayek often made a similar point, suggesting that a big part of capitalism's PR problems originated in the fact that markets did not distribute their rewards according to ordinary ideas of moral deservingness. Yet it's also true that we badly want to believe that success is earned and is deserved. A universe that distributes its rewards randomly is a frightening place—and even worse is the suspicion that success is often seized precisely by the undeserving. In the words of the old doggerel:
The rain it falls alike,
On the just and unjust fella.
But mostly on the just because
The unjust has the just's umbrella.
In this particular election cycle, the argument that the successful are almost by definition deserving and that the unsuccessful are correspondingly undeserving has exploded into noisy public controversy.
The president appears to have heard that argument, and it irks him. And when it came time to reprise Elizabeth Warren, he allowed pieces of his rebuttal to the claim to drift into a speech that was probably meant to adhere to the safer ground that she had previously staked out.
In Elizabeth Warren's version of the speech, taxes can be conceived as something like a fee. You want roads, police, a skilled work force, an uncorrupt judiciary, and a military to protect you from foreign invasion? Of course you do! Well, they must be paid for—and it is reasonable to ask those who benefited most from public goods to pay most for those goods. Again, we can argue about how much "most" should be, whether 28, 36 or 39%, but in principle: not so shocking.
President Obama's stray sentences however point to a bolder conclusion. If it's not brains or work that account for success, what is it? The answer must be … luck. Not maybe entirely luck, but luck to a great degree. By definition, however, luck is amoral. Nobody can deserve luck, otherwise he wouldn't be lucky. To the extent success is due to luck, success is undeserved—and to the extend that success is undeserved, the successful have no very strong claim to the proceeds of their success. Whereas Warren suggests that the wealthy should be taxed to repay tangible benefits they have personally received, Obama is indicating a possibility that the wealthy should be taxed … because their wealth is to a great extent an accident of fate.
This argument is not developed by the president. Indeed, he quickly drops it. Nor does he build any very radical policy conclusions upon his argument: he's proposing only the restoration of the Clinton tax rates—the tax rates that prevailed during the greatest period of private fortune-building since the 1920s. Yet people who believe in the morality of the market are not wrong to hear in those few stray sentences of the president a more radical critique of their core belief than is usually heard from American politicians.
Those who say that the Republicans are taking the president's words out of context to misrepresent him make a serious mistake. Even if we concede that the "that" in "you didn't build that" refers to roads, bridges and the Internet (and it's not so clear that it does, but let's concede it anyway), even if we restore the context in full, the president is still delivering the shocking news, as unwelcome today as it was when first propounded, that:
the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
To be sure, other politicians have declared that "life is unfair." But that instruction is usually directed to society's losers. Obama is—almost uniquely—directing the message to society's winners, including the very grand winner who will soon be nominated to run for president against him. They're not used to it, and they don't like it, not one bit.
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Why "You Didn't Build That" Stings the Successful
by David Frum | July 27, 2012 4:55 PM EDT
I love your inability to respond in anyway except with these long uninformed articles that have been disproved over and over in this thread.
P.S. Romney agrees 100% with Obama.
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I love your inability to respond in anyway except with these long uninformed articles that have been disproved over and over in this thread.
P.S. Romney agrees 100% with Obama.
So Romny's just as bad as Obama?
We should vote for Obama then, right?
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So Romny's just as bad as Obama?
We should vote for Obama then, right?
They both agree on the issue regarding people needing help in order to have a successful business.
Vote for whoever you want. At least now, you will make a more informed vote.
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They both agree on the issue regarding people needing help in order to have a successful business.
Vote for whoever you want. At least now, you will make a more informed vote.
I choose not to reward failure.
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I choose not to reward failure.
At least now, you will make a better informed decision.
Vote for whoever you want.
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Again, obama said - if you have a buisness, you didn't build that. If he was even referring to the system we have here, he is wrong since the tax revenue generated by the businesses are was created and sustains the system since the govt has no resources without borrowing or taxing said businesses.
so what ever meaning you place on obamas statement he is wrong.
again - everyone knows that Obama was referring to roads and bridges with the "you didn't build that" comment
you've had this explained to you repeatedly
the only conclusion is that you're a profoundly stupid person and truly can't understand it
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Wreck-It Barack Column: Unscripted Moments Damage Obama’s Carefully Built Image
Freebeacon ^ | July 27, 2012 5:00 am | Matthew Continetti
Posted on July 28, 2012 2:08:26 PM EDT by parisa
One cannot help noticing the struggle between Barack Obama’s natural instincts and the serene and benevolent persona he projects to the world. Beneath the visage of a cosmetically populist, post-racial, post-partisan reformer who wants to “perfect” America and to have “millionaires and billionaires” “pay their fair share” is just another condescending, self-important, sarcastic, academic liberal Democrat, who believes in false consciousness and in scholastic theories that success in life can be attributed to birth or luck or community but not to individual effort and grit. Obama may be talented at self-fashioning, but he cannot maintain his public face constantly. The mask sometimes slips.
The real Obama emerges. He lets loose in the self-consciously ironic and pretentiously omniscient argot of the American ruling class, lecturing audiences in what he, Elizabeth Warren, and the segment producers at MSNBC treat as the new catechism. The reaction to these gaffes is always the same. His remarks spark justified criticism. There is a frenetic effort to paper over his comments and restore the impression that he is just another dad who wants to take care of one big American family. He and his lieutenants and other members of the “truth” posse indulge in mock outrage. They say the president’s words have been distorted, that he did not really say what he said, that he meant something else entirely. The activity is convulsive and furious because David Axelrod and David Plouffe understand that an unplugged Obama will damage his brand. He is not actually likable at all. And he is liable to wreck years of hard work and mythmaking the moment he goes off script.
That is the “context” behind the president’s July 13 outburst in Roanoke, Virginia:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The focus has been on Obama’s words in the second paragraph: “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” But this misses the point. Whether or not “you didn’t build that” refers to the “roads and bridges” of the previous sentence is irrelevant.
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333 - you didn't get to that shitty place where you're at on your own either
without government guaranteed student loans you never would have become the dumbest lawyer on the planet
how about you stop constantly reposting other people words and use some of your own for a change
Are you still pretending to not understand what "you didn't build that means" or shall we assume you're really too dumb to understand
Either way is fine and we can wrap up this 14 page beatdown
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Wreck-It Barack Column: Unscripted Moments Damage Obama’s Carefully Built Image
Freebeacon ^ | July 27, 2012 5:00 am | Matthew Continetti
Posted on July 28, 2012 2:08:26 PM EDT by parisa
One cannot help noticing the struggle between Barack Obama’s natural instincts and the serene and benevolent persona he projects to the world. Beneath the visage of a cosmetically populist, post-racial, post-partisan reformer who wants to “perfect” America and to have “millionaires and billionaires” “pay their fair share” is just another condescending, self-important, sarcastic, academic liberal Democrat, who believes in false consciousness and in scholastic theories that success in life can be attributed to birth or luck or community but not to individual effort and grit. Obama may be talented at self-fashioning, but he cannot maintain his public face constantly. The mask sometimes slips.
The real Obama emerges. He lets loose in the self-consciously ironic and pretentiously omniscient argot of the American ruling class, lecturing audiences in what he, Elizabeth Warren, and the segment producers at MSNBC treat as the new catechism. The reaction to these gaffes is always the same. His remarks spark justified criticism. There is a frenetic effort to paper over his comments and restore the impression that he is just another dad who wants to take care of one big American family. He and his lieutenants and other members of the “truth” posse indulge in mock outrage. They say the president’s words have been distorted, that he did not really say what he said, that he meant something else entirely. The activity is convulsive and furious because David Axelrod and David Plouffe understand that an unplugged Obama will damage his brand. He is not actually likable at all. And he is liable to wreck years of hard work and mythmaking the moment he goes off script.
That is the “context” behind the president’s July 13 outburst in Roanoke, Virginia:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The focus has been on Obama’s words in the second paragraph: “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” But this misses the point. Whether or not “you didn’t build that” refers to the “roads and bridges” of the previous sentence is irrelevant.
This has got to be the best article you have posted so far. It makes zero sense. The part of the article that attempts to prove its point says, "'If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.' But this misses the point." Okay, it misses the point, let's read on. "Whether or not 'you didn’t build that” refers to the “roads and bridges' of the previous sentence is irrelevant." Okay, so this line is irrelevant.
The article states that one line "misses the point" and the other "is irrelevant." So, what are you/the article asserting? Do you read ANYTHING before posting it on getbig?
Wow, hey 333386...do have anymore of these gems?
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Since Obama was not able to coherently articulate what he meant since he is a bumbling stuttering idiot, perhaps we should just let his word salad stand as is.
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Since Obama was not able to coherently articulate what he meant since he is a bumbling stuttering idiot, perhaps we should just let his word salad stand as is.
The speech is fine as it stands. It says the exact same thing as Romney's speech. It should be re-titled, "Unscripted Moments Damage Romney and Obama’s Carefully Built Images." Of course, the proof your article uses to assert this theory must have been thought of by a 1st grader who takes the short bus to school.
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Since Obama was not able to coherently articulate what he meant since he is a bumbling stuttering idiot, perhaps we should just let his word salad stand as is.
the verdict is in
you're too stupid to understand what he said
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that guy who ran a world record 400m dash...
he didn't break that world record. the people who biult the track had a lot to do with it.
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that guy who ran a world record 400m dash...
he didn't break that world record. the people who biult the track had a lot to do with it.
According to Romney and Obama, but for the people who built the track, that guy would not have had a place to run on to break a world record. If it weren't for the roads to the Olympic games, he would not have made it there to set a world record.
Moreover, without the help from teachers or more specifically in your example, coaches, that guy would not have ran a world record.
Romney and Obama may have been onto something...
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Seen Obama's newest commercial where he
backpedals clarifies on that comment?
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Seen Obama's newest commercial where he backpedals clarifies on that comment?
Any such commercial is only needed for people too stupid to comprehend what he stated originally in his speech.
Have you seen Romney's speech, where he says the same thing as Obama?
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Any such commercial is only needed for people too stupid to comprehend what he stated originally in the speech.
Have you seen Romney's speech, where he says the same thing as Obama?
I'm certainly not a Romney fan. My problem with Obama is that he's been a continuation of Bush II, with the addition of communistic leanings.
Go ahead and write me off, I'm something of a libertarian.
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I'm certainly not a Romney fan. My problem with Obama is that he's been a continuation of Bush II, with the addition of communistic leanings.
Go ahead and write me off, I'm something of a libertarian.
I'm not writing you off, I responded to you. You can disagree with Obama for all the reasons of your choosing, I have no problem with that.
I just find it humorous that this thread is aimed negatively at Obama when Romney agrees with him.
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Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that)
When President Obama said at a rally earlier month that "if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own … if you've got a business, you didn't build that," he started a political firestorm, and an opposing "I built that" campaign from Mitt Romney. But it turns out Obama didn't build that argument from scratch, either. And his comments seem to be closer to the founding fathers' principles than opponents might like to believe.
As noticed by Reddit, (http://"http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/x72pa/thomas_paine_on_you_didnt_build_that/") Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, two men who literally built the country, expressed similar sentiments in the 1700s. And, reading the passages suggests that they wouldn't take all the credit for founding the country, either.
In a Christmas Day letter to Robert Morris in 1783, Franklin wrote that "the remissness of our people in paying taxes is highly blameable," and that "all property…seems to me to be the creature of public convention."
He continues:
"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."
Paine, in 1795's Agrarian Justice, puts it even more bluntly: "Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally."
"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich," he writes.
Obama, Franklin, and Paine say it's OK to become rich through hard work—just don't trample on the people who helped make it happen.
In the everlasting words of one Mister Spock, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
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Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that)
When President Obama said at a rally earlier month that "if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own … if you've got a business, you didn't build that," he started a political firestorm, and an opposing "I built that" campaign from Mitt Romney. But it turns out Obama didn't build that argument from scratch, either. And his comments seem to be closer to the founding fathers' principles than opponents might like to believe.
As noticed by Reddit, (http://"http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/x72pa/thomas_paine_on_you_didnt_build_that/") Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, two men who literally built the country, expressed similar sentiments in the 1700s. And, reading the passages suggests that they wouldn't take all the credit for founding the country, either.
In a Christmas Day letter to Robert Morris in 1783, Franklin wrote that "the remissness of our people in paying taxes is highly blameable," and that "all property…seems to me to be the creature of public convention."
He continues:
"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."
Paine, in 1795's Agrarian Justice, puts it even more bluntly: "Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally."
"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich," he writes.
Obama, Franklin, and Paine say it's OK to become rich through hard work—just don't trample on the people who helped make it happen.
In the everlasting words of one Mister Spock, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
Obama is upholding the legacy of our founding fathers
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Lol.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/obama_to_olympians_you_didnt_win_that.html
LOL.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/obama_to_olympians_you_didnt_win_that.html
LOL.
romeny actually said it to Olympians, however, during salt lake games
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here you go 333
John Stewart makes the same point I made a couple of days ago
Romney is literally trying to make a lie about a poorly constructed sentence into virtually his entire campaign
This show just how he has NOTHING else to talk about
btw - what to fuck is it with Fox after getting criticized for taking the statement out of context to take offense to that and then claim to run the entire statement only to yet again show another edited clip
Do you see now why people who only watch Fox are actually worse off than if they watched nothing at all
BTW - this is exactly why I chose my screenname. Romney is trying to fight a straw man by pretending to be arguing against something that Obama didn't say and pretending it's Obama's actual position. This is something that has been the primary strategy of Repubs for the last 10-15 years
Part1: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition
part 2: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes
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When politicians talk enough, their meaningless platitudes eventually reveal nuggets of truth, giving a glimpse behind the curtain. President Obama, the mainstream media's acclaimed Orator in Chief, recently spilled the beans.
CARTOON BY MICHAEL RAMIREZ / INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
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"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that," he said.
Since uttering those words at a Virginia campaign stop, there has been much backtracking and excuse-making by Obama supporters, scrambling to explain that the president really didn't mean what you heard, that he meant something sort of like that, but different.
They complain that critics took his words out of context. The president supposedly didn't mean that business owners didn't build their businesses. He allegedly meant business owners didn't build bridges and roads. But for that to be true, the golden tongued Harvard Law Review president had to have trampled English grammar and mangled sentence construction.
As the Wall Street Journal's James Taranto noted, "that" necessarily referred to "a business," not to "roads and bridges."
"...[N]ot only because 'business' is more proximate to the pronoun 'that' and therefore its more likely antecedent. The [Obama] Truth Team's interpretation is ungrammatical. 'Roads and bridges' is plural; 'that' is singular. If the Team is right about Obama's meaning, he should have said, 'You didn't build those.'
"... [H]is campaign asks us to believe he is not even competent to construct a sentence."
Nevertheless, as the Register editorialized, "Whether you take his words at face value or prefer to infer he simply meant government can help businesses by building bridges and roads, the president's speech was troubling. Implicit in the president's message is that private individuals and privately held companies are not sufficient. Big Government is the engine that pulls the train, in his view."
Perhaps the plain meaning of Obama's words is insufficient. Let's examine his remarks in the larger context of his political philosophy.
The president recently told a campaign gathering that, "[W]e tried our plan – and it worked."
"Worked" apparently means something different to Obama than to, say, working Americans. Did the president mean that it "worked" when U.S. business startups dropped from 554,109 in 1987 to 394,623 in 2010?
When Obama took office, unemployment was 7.8 percent. It is now 8.2 percent. Perhaps Obama's plan worked in the way a U.S. major meant during the Vietnam War when he said, "It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."
What are we to make of a president who proclaims with the certainty of a sunrise that, "If I don't get the unemployment rate under 7 percent, I deserve to be a one-term president," then runs for a second term even though unemployment has been above 8 percent his entire tenure? Did he not mean what he said? Or did he mean it in a way we simply don't understand?
Here's more context: Four years ago Obama told an interviewer that even if raising the capital-gains tax rate resulted in less tax collected, as it has in the past, it's only "fair" to raise the rate because he believes "the rich" should pay more, period. Therefore, taxes aren't to pay for necessary government functions. Taxes "work" when they dish out punitive "fairness," at least in Obama-ese.
The president plainly speaks a different language when he insists we must "invest" to stimulate the economy. Most people consider investing to be voluntary, such as deciding to buy Facebook stock or to sink their life's savings into starting a new business.
When the president says "invest," he means the government should take money from people whether they want to give it or not, to pay for things they already have decided are not worth their voluntary investment. Think Solyndra.
The president considers such involuntary wealth transfers "investments." But what rational private enterprise operates on such a self-destructive understanding of capital investment? Can you imagine a CEO telling his board of directors that despite their objections, he will sink their bankroll into questionable "investments" they already have rejected?
In that same Virginia speech, the president described government "permitting" private-sector growth. Permitting? We have turned a significant corner when the government must permit private economic growth. It's yet a sharper left turn when we accept that not only is government permission required, but government subsidies and financing, too.
"I guess shovel-ready jobs weren't quite as shovel-ready as we thought," Obama quipped to the amusement of his jobs czar, Jeffrey Immelt.
The Obama rhetorical trail is littered with inadvertent truths such as that, spoken either from arrogance or at other times with the assumption they never would reach the ears of those who disagree.
We might have expected this considering Obama's early foot-in-the-mouth experience. Remember his first campaign for president when Obama told a private gathering of presumed like minds how difficult it was to persuade working-class voters? "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Not all his out-of-the-mainstream views have been spoken in presumed confidentiality. In 2010 Obama let it be known that "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money."
In retrospect, we suspect that inadvertent truism is one the president would prefer not to have uttered. Covetousness being what it is, there probably are people who think some others make "enough money," however much that may be. But how many Americans are comfortable when their government presumes to tell them they've made "enough"?
Even the most redistribute-the-wealth-minded among us don't have to think too long or hard to understand that the line of demarcation between haves and have-nots, or rich and nonrich, if you prefer, is entirely arbitrary. It should be obvious that government is the least-capable and least-desirable choice to draw such lines.
If government may impose punitive taxes and engage in crony capitalism, each of us is vulnerable. As the Wall Street Journal's Taranto recently wrote, "If you 'didn't build that,' then you have no moral claim to it, and those with political power are morally justified in taking it away and using it to buy more political power."
Early warning signs were plentiful. But apparently people read something else into even Obama's bluntest confessions of faith. For example, Obama's memorable explanation of his fiscal philosophy to the man dubbed Joe the Plumber: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
What should we have inferred from those words? Probably not what came to pass. He probably didn't mean that, four years later, poverty would be "spreading at record levels across many groups from underemployed workers and suburban families to the poorest poor," as Newsday recently reported. Or that, "More discouraged workers are giving up on the job market, leaving them vulnerable as unemployment aid begins to run out."
Surely he didn't mean that. Or did he?
Then again, he warned us early that, "We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be OK."
Those were words we could have bet the farm on.
As the economy tilts toward the second recession of Obama's four-year term, the meaning behind his verbiage seems to be getting clearer, despite his doublespeak.
As the president himself said, "Americans ... still believe in an America where anything's possible - they just don't think their leaders do."
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Contact the writer: mlandsbaum@ocregister.com
Contact the writer: or 714-796-5025
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When politicians talk enough, their meaningless platitudes eventually reveal nuggets of truth, giving a glimpse behind the curtain. President Obama, the mainstream media's acclaimed Orator in Chief, recently spilled the beans.
CARTOON BY MICHAEL RAMIREZ / INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
ADVERTISEMENT
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that," he said.
Since uttering those words at a Virginia campaign stop, there has been much backtracking and excuse-making by Obama supporters, scrambling to explain that the president really didn't mean what you heard, that he meant something sort of like that, but different.
They complain that critics took his words out of context. The president supposedly didn't mean that business owners didn't build their businesses. He allegedly meant business owners didn't build bridges and roads. But for that to be true, the golden tongued Harvard Law Review president had to have trampled English grammar and mangled sentence construction.
Romney agrees 100% with Obama 8). Since both Romney and Obama agree, who would you vote for 3333?
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I'm ABO. I would vote for the cookie monster if it meant ousting Obama.
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I'm ABO. I would vote for the cookie monster if it meant ousting Obama.
Clearly, you are a very intelligent person. At least the issue in this thread won't sway you one way or another, since both candidates agree regarding the comment, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."
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Clearly, you are a very intelligent person. At least the issue in this thread won't sway you one way or another, since both candidates agree regarding the comment, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."
That is not the only issue w obamas straw man rant and meltdown.
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That is not the only issue w obamas straw man rant and meltdown.
Your sole purpose of starting this thread was to insult the part of Obama's speech relating to the statement, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." All of your uniformed articles reference that quote (oftentimes as part of the title).
Romney agreed the very next week with Obama and his quote. That made this entire thread and your opinion of Obama's speech, moot. It has also made you come across as completely uninformed.
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Obama to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting - You didnt throw that shot put - someone else threw that
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Obama to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting - You didnt throw that shot put - someone else threw that
Already answered in regard to a runner in this thread. I will re-post it for you:
According to Romney and Obama, but for the people who built the track, that guy would not have had a place to run on to break a world record. If it weren't for the roads to the Olympic games, he would not have made it there to set a world record.
Moreover, without the help from teachers or more specifically in your example, coaches, that guy would not have ran a world record.
Romney and Obama may have been onto something...
Don't forget 3333, "Obama AND ROMNEY to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting..." ;)
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Already answered in regard to a runner in this thread. I will re-post it for you:
Don't forget 3333, "Obama AND ROMNEY to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting" ;)
Throwers use a circle, not the track :P
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Throwers use a circle, not the track :P
You're a lawyer, analogies are your bread and butter. I figured I would speak your language...
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You're a lawyer, analogies are your bread and butter. I figured I would speak your language...
Was a shot putter and hammer thrower in college
Im deeply interested in the 2012 olympics since usa has a chance to get 123 in the shot and has an amazing hammer thrower named kibwe johnson in medal contention
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Was a shot putter and hammer thrower in college
Im deeply interested in the 2012 olympics since usa has a chance to get 123 in the shot and has an amazing hammer thrower named kibwe johnson in medal contention
Actually, that is very cool. I hope they get 1-2-3. I prefer watching female beach volleyball, but shot put and hammer is exciting as well.
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Actually, that is very cool. I hope they get 1-2-3. I prefer watching female beach volleyball, but shot put and hammer is exciting as well.
I'm actually a little upset w the usa uniforms for the females. Was watching the usa v argentina ans pissed off the usa has those whack ass tops
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I'm actually a little upset w the usa uniforms for the females. Was watching the usa v argentina ans pissed off the usa has those whack ass tops
I was disappointed, wanted to see some titties... not female sports. :)
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Why it is not mandatory for all the female beach volleyball teams to wear 2 piece bikinis, is beyond me...
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http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark
Reason.com
Obama’s Controversial Remark
Take what you want, and pay for it.
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was inept, but insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and technology.”
So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
What Did He Mean?
Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business or did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and “roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create. Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings, materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on [their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell a straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-putting and did not help his cause.)
So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify “ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
Demagogue’s Appeal
Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay higher taxes.
How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying? Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even mean in the matter of taxation?
Why Monopoly?
More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration, particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before one invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with “government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist. Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the government.
Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes derive from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the middle class.
And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but because of a proclivity to spend.
Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this all wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too little for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what you want, God said to man, and pay for it.”
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I was disappointed, wanted to see some titties... not female sports. :)
I saw that match. The blonde Argentinian woman more than made up for it.
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http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark
Reason.com
Obama’s Controversial Remark
Take what you want, and pay for it.
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
How silly, huh 3333? I mean, Romney not only agrees, but he did so publicly. So many uninformed people out there. Thanks 3333 for pointing out another uninformed person. Lets add Sheldon Richman to that list.
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LOL, I can't believe you find (or look for) such horrifically dumb articles and videos.
After the clip plays a small portion of what Obama said, it responds to Obama and ACTUALLY says:
“with the taxes we pay built those roads and bridges, we built America.”
LOL, that is EXACTLY what Obama said in his speech.
Obama said:
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges."
Thus, agreeing with the ad that "taxes we pay built those roads and bridges."
Then Obama goes on to say:
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together...You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."
Thus, agreeing with the ad that "we built America."
P.S. Obama and Romney agree 100% regarding the statement, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."
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Obama insults small-business owners
BY STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com July 30, 2012 7:42PM
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President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign stop in downtown Roanoke, Va., on July 13. | Don Petersen~AP
Updated: July 31, 2012 2:18AM
http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/14087561-452/obama-insults-small-business-owners.html
In his regular weekly address Saturday, President Barack Obama asserted that “we’re still paying” for the Bush tax cuts. It was a not-so-subtle jab aimed at blaming tax reductions enacted a decade ago for today’s bad economy. But desperate times require desperate measures, and the White House is desperate to divert the voters’ attention from Obama’s failed policies and his infamous “you didn’t build that” remarks disparaging Americans entrepreneurs, successful business owners and job creators.
The White House has been in damage control mode ever since those remarks, and Friday’s report showing the economy grew at an anemic 1.5 percent in the last quarter only added to the urgency of Obama’s re-election campaign to find a way to change the subject. The main thrust of Obama’s defenders is that his comments were taken out of context. Here’s what he said:
“[L]ook, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
In context, it’s devastating. Obama is indicted by his own words, condescending to small-business owners and elevating government as the wellspring of all success. If that’s so, why can’t government help all the smart and hardworking among us pull down 1 percent incomes? After all, any of us smart, hardworking individuals could have come up with the iPhone, right?
It takes more than smarts and long hours. Sometimes it begins with a simple ambition: I want to be my own boss. Or it’s an idea: a computer in every home. Starting a business involves a daunting risk — sinking every penny you have in your dream, abandoning the safety net of a 9-to-5 job, focusing to the exclusion of all else on what it takes to realize that dream. It’s a lonely quest. No, government does not make that happen.
What does make it possible is good governance — a society committed to the rule of law, property rights, reasonable taxes and dependable fiscal policy. Yet, Obama displays a cavalier attitude to those principles.
For political purposes, he refuses to enforce an immigration law and packs the NLRB to get around Congress to rewrite union election rules. In the auto industry bailout, he elevated the interests of his union allies over the bondholders in these corporations, an affront to property rights. He rejected the reasonable tax reform proposed by his own deficit reduction commission to pursue redistributive tax policies inimical to job growth. The uncertainties generated by his massive expansion of government with laws such as ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank have frozen all sorts of business investment.
Either Obama doesn’t understand the free-market system or he has disdain for it because it doesn’t meet his standard for “fairness.” Either way, it translates into policies that have turned this recovery into the weakest in modern history, keeping millions of Americans jobless. Voters have a fateful decision to make in November.
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Obama insults small-business owners
BY STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com July 30, 2012 7:42PM
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President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign stop in downtown Roanoke, Va., on July 13. | Don Petersen~AP
Updated: July 31, 2012 2:18AM
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
In context, it’s devastating. Obama is indicted by his own words, condescending to small-business owners and elevating government as the wellspring of all success.
You decided to revisit this issue huh? ???
Anyway, it's not devastating at all. If it was devastating, Romney would be screwed as well and it would be a wash.
Here is Romney agreeing with Obama:
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Did obama mention mom dad apple pie banks investors?
No - obama mentioned GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENT alone.
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Did obama mention mom dad apple pie banks investors?
Asked:
Please show me where Obama referenced banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed?
And Answered:
Why? You have yet to claim ANY concern with Obama NOT referencing "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed." You didn't create this ongoing 13 page thread because Obama did not reference "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed."
Now that we are done with that nonsense, let's get to what prompted you to start this thread. You are angered over the STATEMENT, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." THAT is the statement you keep referencing constantly, correct? So, let's focus on what Obama AND Romney specifically referenced in their speeches in order to understand the STATEMENT that has you "lmao!!!" This will help clear up what Obama did and "did not reference" and it will allow us to compare his references to Romney's.
we should let his words speak for themselves.
Okay, let the words speak for themselves.
Obama's Speech:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"
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Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________
To Conclude:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," and "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
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"Let the words speak for themselves" (333386, July 22, 2012 at 12:43:27 PM):
"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.
So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.
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No - obama mentioned GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENT alone.
Asked:
No its not the same thing. Obama rattled off GOVERNMENT spending only. Huge difference.
And Answered:
Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."
Obama's exact words:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU the "government" 333?)
Wrong again.
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Obama said "you didnt build that." That is singular and if he was referencing the roads infastructure yatta yatta he would have said" you didnt build those. Somebody else made those happen." Or those things. Not "you didnt make that happen. Somebody else did that."
Obama said you didnt build your business somebody else made that happen. Romney it seems said people have helped along the way. Romney never said you didnt build your own business. Obama did. And if we are to believe any of your argument we have to believe that obama misspoke and meant to say you didnt build the roads yatta yatta. But he didnt he said youndidnt build that. So, your little copy paste game cant deny that. On order to buy your argument we have to believe that this public speaker that you all say is so amazing at delivering speeches mispoke and you all will tell us what he meant to say. And that romney agrees. Hahaha fucking losers. Real fucking losers. You should be ashamed at lying so much.
I never said anything about Obama's public speaking abilities. I copy and paste Obama's words.
Here is Obama's actual speech:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
He stated that, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help..." and all the people that helped BEFORE stating, "If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Do you understand what that means D-Ware? Anyone with a speck of common sense understands it, since Obama explained what he meant FIRST.
Bottom line, "If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen..." is 100% true as it stands.
Romney said the exact same thing:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney did NOT say, people might have helped some of you run your businesses. He said, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business." Thus, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT. SOMEBODY ELSE MADE IT HAPPEN (all the help).
Come on now D-Ware, you are better than that.
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"If youve got a business you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen." Romney never said that.
Youre so full of shit bro.
Then if you copy and paste speeches exactly as they are said. The post where romney says this same thing. But dont then add your spin.
If obama meant that you didnt build the roads and bridges then he would have said if you have a business you didnt build those things.
Romney might agree that people help you along the way. Bjt he never said the words youre trying to put in his mouth. And youre posting style is not witty at all. Or intelligent. It is so funny that you think youre impressing anyone. Copy and paste romneys speech then where he says the same thing because he doesnt. Obama did. And he meant what he said not what you want to convince these peolle he said. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha . Such a joke
I only copy and paste the speeches as they were said. I usually copy 333's version of the speech from his first post, actually.
Obama never said or meant that "you didn't build the roads and bridges." Thus, the second part in bold does not make any sense, maybe you can clarify?
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"If youve got a business you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen." Romney never said that.
Yes, he did. Romney stated:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
This means, you didn't build the business without help. Without the help, your business would not have happened. Very simple concept here D-Ware. It should make sense to you after you read both speeches.
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What this proves is whenever Obama goes off script and starts saying what he actually thinks, we get a small glimpse into his inner workings. Then the media and everyone else has to come to the rescue and try to inform all us peons what he meant. We er al to stoopid to understend his werds
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What this proves is whenever Obama goes off script and starts saying what he actually thinks, we get a small glimpse into his inner workings. Then the media and everyone else has to come to the rescue and try to inform all us peons what he meant. We er al to stoopid to understend his werds
Not at all. Just read the speech, it makes perfect sense as is. If you disagree, that is fine. Just recognize that Romney said the same thing and vote for another candidate.
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Not at all. Just read the speech, it makes perfect sense as is. If you disagree, that is fine. Just recognize that Romney said the same thing and vote for another candidate.
Saying someone(s) helped and you didn't do that are two completely different things. I live in IL so I have seen Obama and his bullshit for quite some time.
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Saying someone(s) helped and you didn't do that are two completely different things. I live in IL so I have seen Obama and his bullshit for quite some time.
Saying you needed help to become successful and saying that without help you would not have been successful, is the same thing.
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Saying you needed help to become successful and saying that without help you would not have been successful, is the same thing.
Well IMHO both of them are full of shit
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Well IMHO both of them are full of shit
I respect your opinion.
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Obama meant that you dint build your own business. He believes that people dont build there own businesses. He believes "somebody else did that". Show me where romney says somebody else built your business. You cant because it doesnt exist.
I already showed you countless times that they both stated that without help, your business could not be a success.
He is a fucking peice of race baiting shit. He spent his formative years at a madrasa in indonesia learning to memorize the koran. He also denounced his us citizenshio and became a citizen of indonesia. He is not like any american ive ever met. His mother and grandparents were socialists. He believes in an idea of america that is for losers that never achieve anything. They hate the success of the usa and want to empower the rest of the world. They are arrogant narcissist losers and obama is their patron saint. Fuck all of you idealogue liars. You know your fucking lying. Admit it. You knw. Your fucking lying. Why do it? Why sell freedom down the river. Why hurt humanity. Unbelievable.
Start a thread about it.
if he didnt mean that business men didnt build the roads and bridges and infastructure yatta yatta then what is obama saying that somebody else built?
You clearly don't understand this line of the speech at all. This actually clears up a lot regarding your confusion and inability to comprehend.
See romney didnt say that at all. This is what youve deduced the meaning of what he said to be. Only i think youre dumb as shit. Lol. You said see this means you didnt build your business. Only obama explicitly and specifically said you didnt build your business somebody else built that. Romney seems to be saying that people must have helped you. But he never says what you say he means. Hahahahahaha. What a joke.
I'll try again, it might work this time.
Obama's Speech:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Governmentresearch created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______
Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________
To Conclude:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," and "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________
"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.
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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement.
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To get that full of shit do u need someones help, slyy? If so who uses dominos and who uses chipotle?
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BTW - who is Obama referring to in this little screed of his?
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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement.
That's the quote of the thread and your reason for "lmfao!!!" Sucks for you that after you started this thread, Romney publicly agreed with Obama. This issue is moot.
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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement.
U idiot. Why haven't you committed harakiri yet?
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BTW - who is Obama referring to in this little screed of his?
LOL, read the title of the thread you created, it will answer your question. You are lawyer, come on now 3333.
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To get that full of shit do u need someones help, slyy? If so who uses dominos and who uses chipotle?
It seems that someones dipping the dominos and chipotle in expired ranch.
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I dont think so shitwhistler.
Start a thread about it.
See? I can put one sentence you said during our discussion and one sentence I said during our discussion, and place them on top of one another. No context whatsoever. Just two statements we made talking about the same thing. Do I need to further explain or did it click?
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Prove me wrong
I will let the quotes speak for themselves. Their speeches are mirror images of each other. They used a few different words to conclude the same thing. Hopefully this will help you understand and comprehend.
Obama's Speech:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Governmentresearch created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"fire service"
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Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
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To Conclude:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," and "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
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They dont mean the same thing at all. And you are the typical obama socialist kneepadder. You are utterly convinced that you are right. But you are so fucking wrong it isnt even worth tolerating you. You havent proved anything. You havent shown where romney said you didnt build that. Does romney say these people helped you or that they made your business happen. Because b arry says they made my business happen. Romney might think people helped me but where does he say that i wouldnt be here if not for them. He says they helped me. But he doesnt say they made my business happen. Barrack lowbama says somebody else made my business happen. You havent shown anywhere that romney say that. You just keep posting the same speech and taking this leap of logic. You havent proved anything and you seem like a retarded retard
I've copied and pasted the speeches for you to read. You didn't understand them.
(*You are still confused and think Obama meant/said that businessmen built the roads, bridges, and infrastructure.) If he didnt mean that business men didnt build the roads and bridges and infastructure yatta yatta then what is obama saying that somebody else built?
I wrote what each speech meant, in an attempt for you to understand. You got more confused.
I went back to merely quoting speeches. You have actually become more mentally incompetent.
Both speeches were made in an attempt to tell the Americans that successful people had help along the way. That was the purpose of both speeches. I know you don't get it. We all know you don't get it. I would recommend wearing a helmet all the time.
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They dont mean the same thing at all. And you are the typical obama socialist kneepadder. You are utterly convinced that you are right. But you are so fucking wrong it isnt even worth tolerating you. You havent proved anything. You havent shown where romney said you didnt build that. Does romney say these people helped you or that they made your business happen. Because b arry says they made my business happen. Romney might think people helped me but where does he say that i wouldnt be here if not for them. He says they helped me. But he doesnt say they made my business happen. Barrack lowbama says somebody else made my business happen. You havent shown anywhere that romney say that. You just keep posting the same speech and taking this leap of logic. You havent proved anything and you seem like a retarded retard
U idiot. Do u know what the word "help" means?
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retarded retard
U idiot. Lol
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Could you have acheived it without that help.
According to Romney and Obama, no.
Would you have gotten what you needed else where if this help wasnt available.
Yes, you would have gotten help ELSEWHERE (as you said, very good D-Ware).
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He acknowleged teachers and roads and infastructure so as not to be seen as diminishing these things.
Wrong again. You were getting better too, D-Ware.
Romney said:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Much more than an acknowledgement "so as not to be seen as diminishing these things."
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You sound like a real losing ass loser. Fucking retarder
I can see from your masterful use of the language that you must have been a fantastic debater in high school
It also looks like you got over your aversion to using that word
either that or you never had a problem with it and are just a liar
Im not offended. I support your right to say anything you want. It is progressives like you that want to limit free speech. And attack people for being biggots. Some people indeed find that insulting, i am not one of them. It just expose you as someone who uses retard a a negative slur. Tell me more about limiting free speech.
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The only thing that is getting better is that you are exposed as a partisan lying idealogue obama apologist kneepadder propoganist.
Loser
That is the response I expected. When unable to respond, you insult...much like a child.
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D-Ware, put your helmet on before you read this:
The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romney-okay-businesses-do-need-government-after-all/2012/07/18/gJQAezDHuW_blog.html
Posted at 05:03 PM ET, 07/18/2012
Mitt Romney: Okay, businesses do need government, after all
By Greg Sargent
Great catch by Jed Lewison here. Look at what Mitt Romney said on the campaign trail today:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
Do tell! And he also said this, in the course of repeating the bogus claim that Obama dissed business builders:
“Speaking about small businesses, and businesses of all kinds, he said this: `If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’...
“I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that, Mr. President! This is what’s happening in this country.”
This is hard to distinguish from what Obama himself said in his “controversial” remarks: individual success doesn’t happen in a vacuum; it is also enabled by a smoothly functioning society that is kept running by government. What this confirms is that the radicalism discerned in Obama’s speech by Republicans is a pure invention. Remember, in attacking Obama’s remarks yesterday, Romney went so far as to say that Obama had insulted all Americans everywhere who have ever worked hard to better themselves in life. Romney cast Obama’s remarks as an attack on individual initiative itself. Yet today, Romney only underscored how non-controversial Obama’s remarks really were.
Sure, Romney kept his attack up on the “didn’t build that” comment. But as you can see, he needed to dishonestly cite the one Obama line out of context in order to do it. That's because this is the only way Romney can paint Obama’s point as controversial — or, indeed, as being significantly different from his own admission that businesses do rely to some degree on government.
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You sound like a real losing ass loser. Fucking retarder
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What does your quote prove? Straw homo?
that you're not very bright but that's already obvious to everyone
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You keep saying the same shit and it isnt correct. Go put a helmet on my cock assface. Repeating your same stid shit is brilliant. Reterded fag
It is a new quote that I did not use before. I will share Romney's quote again for you:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
As to YOUR previous statement:
Romney might think people helped me but where does he say that i wouldnt be here if not for them. You havent proved anything and you seem like a retarded retard
Your question is, "where does he say that i wouldnt be here if not for them".
I will re-share Romney's quote again for the answer:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
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I dont have an aversion to using retard and never did. I pointed out that you claim o be liberal and proggresive and yet you use retard as a slur which is something that some people find very offensive and so it isnt very liberal of you. And if you want to judge intelligence by the collective opinion of message board anonymous handles than you are even more of a loser than i thought. No go back in your hole and let your big brother slyy do all the talking for you. You bottom twink piece of shit
your delusions about what and what is not liberal is not my problem
given your penchant for using gay slurs it's obvious you're a closet case
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Romney states the government creates the playing field that we enjoy playing ball on.
Stop telling me what you think he said.
Romney clearly stated that "There are a lot of people in government who help us...to start businesses" and that "we all recognize that."
Stop interpreting, Romney said it plain as day.
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No he didnt you are the one interpreting and your interpretations smell worse then the bakala coming out your ass, tuna boat
I used his quote exactly. I am interpreting nothing. Don't be sad D-Ware, it's okay...both candidates agree.
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No they dont but you are trying to make them agree. You use romneys quote and then tell us what that means.
For the 3rd time now, Romney stated:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
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Romney:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Obama:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
Read them slowly. See if you notice any similarities.
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They are not the same. You didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen. Hahahahahahahahahaha
I see that you did not read them. Call your mom down to the basement, see if she can read the speeches out loud for you.
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romney cannot run on 'i'm romney'.
He has to run on "i'm not obama".
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Why you so mad? If you dont like what im saying. Fuck off. You dont have to read it. Bye asswipe
why would you think I'm mad
I'm not using any caps, of profanity
I only see you doing that
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Your mother is a girl. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
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I feel sorry for you man....I think you are either a child by age, mind, or both.
(*Note how D-Ware changed the quote from "girl" to "C.U.*.T." after I insulted his comeback...Oh D-Ware, ;D)
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If you have a business you didnt build that. Somebody esle made that happen. Ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahaha
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If you have a business you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen. Ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahwhwhwh whwhwhwhwhhahahaha!
Romney:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
I guess Romney didn't include the "special" people when he said, "WE ALL recognize that."
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If you have a business you didnt build that. Ahahahahahahahaha epic fail ahahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahahaha. Tnat is a good one barry. Ahahahahahaha.
Romney:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us ... to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
I guess Romney didn't include the "special" people when he said, "WE ALL recognize that."
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These two statemnets are the same:
If you have a business you didnt build that.
And.
Recognise that these people help.
yeah thats the same.
Now you are catching on. Good boy D-Ware :)
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Wow good job nerd
U idiot. Jk. Sorry man. Just don't nuke my imagination, bro. 8)
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romney cannot run on 'i'm romney'.
He has to run on "i'm not obama".
Whats Obama going to run on? I'm not GWB? That train left the station......
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:D
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:D
Uh oh 3333. Better have a talk with your man Mitt.
Romney stated:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
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Uh oh 3333. Better have a talk with your man Mitt.
Romney stated:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Romney advocates for the free market
Obama said the free market NEVER worked in his osawatame speech in Kansas.
You = desperate to kneepad obama
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Romney advocates for the free market
Obama said the free market NEVER worked in his osawatame speech in Kansas.
Romney said:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
His quote completely destroys your entire thread.
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Romney advocates for the free market
Obama said the free market NEVER worked in his osawatame speech in Kansas.
Also, start a thread about it. In THIS thread, you bitched that Obama said, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." Romney agreed. Now THIS thread is moot. Don't try and deviate attention from the specific topic you started.
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Also, start a thread about it. In THIS thread, you bitched that Obama said, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." Romney agreed. Now THIS thread is moot. Don't try and deviate attention from the specific topic you started.
That was not the only statement in his little rant that was appaulling.
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lol.. 33333... cmon.. you see it right there you idiot... dont be pull the wool over your own eyes. Youre being a dumb ass on purpose. These Palin tactics youre using is gonna have the same affect it had for her. Now.. You know what he ment.... and Romney said the same thing. you can sit here and act like a retard or you can leave the subject. Because the longer you cry about how bad Obamas out of context remarks were, the dumber you look as your Guy said the exact same thing.
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lol.. 33333... cmon.. you see it right there you idiot... dont be pull the wool over your own eyes. Youre being a dumb ass on purpose. These Palin tactics youre using is gonna have the same affect it had for her. Now.. You know what he ment.... and Romney said the same thing. you can sit here and act like a retard or you can leave the subject. Because the longer you cry about how bad Obamas out of context remarks were, the dumber you look as your Guy said the exact same thing.
No he didnt say the same thing. Not even close.
Here is the entire rant and obama meltdown.
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i saw it, you saw it. And he said all business dont happen on their own. You can post all that tough stuff you want. But without roads, bridges and highways, how do you get to work. With out investors how do some businesses get off the ground. It know it sounds all King Kong tough to say " i did this all by myself...but you didnt" I would be an idiot to say "i got a football scholarship and went to college all on my own"...No.. I got a shit ton of help.
Like is said.. i know you really like to play the dumb role "umm uhhh it was printed in the paper" ... all that bullshit... but thats the same shit that the American people Saw through with Sarah Palin and costed John McCain the White house. She tried the sound byte campaign and got destroyed.
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i saw it, you saw it. And he said all business dont happen on their own. You can post all that tough stuff you want. But without roads, bridges and highways, how do you get to work. With out investors how do some businesses get off the ground. It know it sounds all King Kong tough to say " i did this all by myself...but you didnt" I would be an idiot to say "i got a football scholarship and went to college all on my own"...No.. I got a shit ton of help.
Like is said.. i know you really like to play the dumb role "umm uhhh it was printed in the paper" ... all that bullshit... but thats the same shit that the American people Saw through with Sarah Palin and costed John McCain the White house. She tried the sound byte campaign and got destroyed.
He didnt say investors. He said govt and govt alone.
And he is dead wrong. Without tax money from business FIRST, the govt has no money to spend on those things.
Secondly - YES business and free enterprise did create the system we have, not the other way around.
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Even longer version - LMFAO!!!! What a raving loon
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Yeah - romney is saying the same thing. ::) ::) ::)
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:)
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Without tax money from business FIRST, the govt has no money to spend on those things.
Wrong again. He explains it all right here.
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
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He said govt and govt alone.
And he is dead wrong.
Dead wrong again.
Obama stated:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU "the government" 3333?)
So, no 3333....he explicitly stated 3 examples that are NOT the government. Thus, your contention that "He said govt and govt alone," is 100% incorrect.
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Wrong again. He explains it all right here.
LOL Who ponied up the resources FIRST to pay for the fire protection.
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LOL Who ponied up the resources FIRST to pay for the fire protection.
Excellent question 3333. I will use Obama's speech again, to answer this question:
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges." Take a guess who?
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Excellent question 3333. I will use Obama's speech again, to answer this question:
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges." Take a guess who?
If obama is saying "somebody" as if its some mysterious person or entity, he is even more delusional, illiterate, incompetent, and ignorant than i even first thought.
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If obama is saying "somebody" as if its some mysterious person or entity, he is even more delusional, illiterate, incompetent, and ignorant than i even first thought.
Wow. Yes, 3333...."somebody" was a mysterious person or entity. You know, only mysterious persons and entities invest in roads and bridges. :-\.
Somethings are so obvious, they do not needed to be explicitly stated. i.e. when roads are bridges are only paid for by "blank"...you can substitute the word "somebody" and anyone with a brain....gets it.
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Wow. Yes, 3333...."somebody" was a mysterious person or entity. You know, only mysterious persons and entities invest in roads and bridges. :-\. Somethings are so obvious, they do not needed to be explicitly stated. i.e. when roads are bridges are only paid for by "blank"...you can substitute the word "somebody" and anyone with a brain....gets it.
Funny - we grew exponentially as a nation long before we had all these bridges and roads obama is crediting for businesses' success.
Why isnt North Korea or Cuba growing as well since they have tons of roads and bridges too.
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Why isnt North Korea or Cuba growing as well since they have tons of roads and bridges too.
Ask your candidate Mitt Romney, as he says:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. THERE’S NO QUESTION your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
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If obama is saying "somebody" as if its some mysterious person or entity, he is even more delusional, illiterate, incompetent, and ignorant than i even first thought.
Romney said:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
I guess when Romney said "people" he ALSO meant "some mysterious person or entity" and "is even more delusional, illiterate, incompetent, and ignorant than [YOU] even first thought."
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Funny - we grew exponentially as a nation long before we had all these bridges and roads obama is crediting for businesses' success.
Why isnt North Korea or Cuba growing as well since they have tons of roads and bridges too.
Bro... seriously.. is that your argument right now... "we didnt need roads and bridges then, we dont really need them now"...
wow... thats pretty wild..
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Bro... seriously.. is that your argument right now... "we didnt need roads and bridges then, we dont really need them now"...
wow... thats pretty wild..
No, the argument is that the capitalist system and people pursuing individual interests for profit is what generates the best outcome typically, not obama's socialist screeds and radical ideology.
Obama crediting roads and bridges is pure nonsense.
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Obama crediting roads and bridges is pure nonsense.
I assume you meant *Romney* and Obama.
Romney said:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
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No, the argument is that the capitalist system and people pursuing individual interests for profit is what generates the best outcome typically, not obama's socialist screeds and radical ideology.
Obama crediting roads and bridges is pure nonsense.
But even with that. There are other outside factors that contribute to a business success.
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But even with that. There are other outside factors that contribute to a business success.
Correct, as well as its failures, which obama did not bring up.
He can't have it both ways, but we all know he does.
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Correct, as well as its failures, which obama did not bring up.
He can't have it both ways, but we all know he does.
Romney did not bring up failures either.
You are right about one thing, you can't have it both ways. Obama and Romney agree with the title of your thread. Thus, you either agree with both or you think both are incorrect.
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U idiot. It's a good thing the successful guy, the free market, the extractors and developers of raw material, the builders of both the literal and financial infrastructures, the educators (both familial, and social) and the consumer are all the same guy. ::)
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:)
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8)
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There is still plenty of time until election day, their opinions may still "evolve"
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Hahahah lok at the pic of barry soetero the indonesian koran studying liberal wet in the rain with his turkey neck turned to look all majestic and look at the pic they use of romney. Ahahahahahahahaha.
Good boy D-Ware, look at the pretty pictures.
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You smile... but think about this... Michael Phelps' dad was a state trooper... so someone else paid the bills with their tax dollar.
Then he started working out at the North Baltimore Aquatic Club, which happened to get started in the Loyola High School pool... Which again, was funded by tax dollars.
So a lot of the infrastructure that is in place for Phelps to win those medals was paid for by tax dollars.
And they pay taxes on the cash prize from the medal placing... Not the medal itself.
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You smile... but think about this... Michael Phelps' dad was a state trooper... so someone else paid the bills with their tax dollar.
Then he started working out at the North Baltimore Aquatic Club, which happened to get started in the Loyola High School pool... Which again, was funded by tax dollars.
So a lot of the infrastructure that is in place for Phelps to win those medals was paid for by tax dollars.
And they pay taxes on the cash prize from the medal placing... Not the medal itself.
So you mean you and i built that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So you mean you and i built that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hell yes!!!
We made a champion!!!! ;D
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And ding! Thread complete.
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So you mean you and i built that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
A breakthrough! Only took 23 pages...but it looks like it finally "clicked" for 3333!
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:)
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U idiot. Harry brown is a sexual technique. Like a Cleveland steamer. Or chili dog.
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U idiot. Harry brown is a sexual technique. Like a Cleveland steamer. Or chili dog.
The irony.
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The irony.
I see what you did there. ;) please forgive me for lowering my maturity to 333's level for comprehension purposes.
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I see what you did there. ;) please forgive me for lowering my maturity to 333's level for comprehension purposes.
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The Bad History Behind ’You Didn’t Build That’
By Virginia Postrel
Aug 2, 2012 7:05 PM ET.
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The controversy surrounding President Barack Obama’s admonishment that “if you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen” has defied the usual election-year pattern.
Normally a political faux pas lasts little more than a news cycle. People hear the story, decide what they think, and quickly move on to the next brouhaha, following what the journalist Mickey Kaus calls the Feiler Faster Thesis. A gaffe that might have ruined a candidate 20 years ago is now forgotten within days.
About Virginia Postrel
Virginia Postrel writes about commerce and culture, innovation, economics and public policy. Shes the author of "The Future and Its Enemies" and "The Substance of Style," and is writing a book on glamour.
More about Virginia Postrel .
Three weeks later, Obama’s comment is still a big deal.
Although his supporters pooh-pooh the controversy, claiming the statement has been taken out of context and that he was referring only to public infrastructure, the full video isn’t reassuring. Whatever the meaning of “that” was, the president on the whole was clearly trying to take business owners down a peg. He was dissing their accomplishments. As my Bloomberg View colleague Josh Barro has written, “You don’t have to make over $250,000 a year to be annoyed when the president mocks people for taking credit for their achievements.”
Hectoring Entrepreneurs
The president’s sermon struck a nerve in part because it marked a sharp departure from the traditional Democratic criticism of financiers and big corporations, instead hectoring the people who own dry cleaners and nail salons, car repair shops and restaurants -- Main Street, not Wall Street. (Obama did work in a swipe at Internet businesses.) The president didn’t simply argue for higher taxes as a measure of fiscal responsibility or egalitarian fairness. He went after bourgeois dignity.
“Bourgeois Dignity” is both the title of a recent book by the economic historian Deirdre N. McCloskey and, she argues, the attitude that accounts for the biggest story in economic history: the explosion of growth that took northern Europeans and eventually the world from living on about $3 a day, give or take a dollar or two (in today’s buying power), to the current global average of $30 -- and much higher in developed nations. (McCloskey’s touchstone is Norway’s $137 a day, second only to tiny Luxembourg’s.)
That change, she argues, is way too big to be explained by normal economic behavior, however rational, disciplined or efficient. Hence the book’s subtitle: “Why Economics Can’t Explain the Modern World.”
“Economics of a material sort can surely explain why Americans burned wood and charcoal many decades longer than did the forest-poor and coal-rich people of inner northwestern Europe. It can explain why education was a bad investment for a British parlor maid in 1840, or why the United States rather than Egypt supplied most of the raw cotton to Manchester, England,” writes McCloskey, a professor of economics, history, English and communication at the University of Illinois-Chicago, and of economic history at Gothenburg University in Sweden. But the usual stories of utility maximization and optimal pricing “can’t explain the rise in the whole world’s (absolute) advantage from $3 to $30 a day, not to speak of $137 a day.”
Something bigger was at work. McCloskey’s explanation is that people changed the way they thought, wrote and spoke about economic activity. “In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries,” she writes, “a great shift occurred in what Alexis de Tocqueville called ‘habits of the mind’ -- or more exactly, habits of the lip. People stopped sneering at market innovativeness and other bourgeois virtues.” As attitudes changed, so did behavior, leading to more than two centuries of constant innovation and rising living standards.
Overemphasizing Capital
Most of “Bourgeois Dignity” is devoted to knocking down alternative explanations for the sudden and enormous escalation in living standards. In particular, McCloskey draws on the last half-century of economic-history scholarship to debunk what most people outside the field assume was the critical ingredient: savings and wealth accumulation. We might call this explanation “capital-ism.” Whether derived from Karl Marx, Max Weber, Karl Polyani, or, in a more-recent incarnation, Fernand Braudel, she argues, the emphasis on capital simply gets the facts wrong. It is empirically false.
First of all, savings were high centuries before the economy took off. Given medieval crop yields, just preserving enough grain to plant next year’s crop implied a savings rate of at least 12 percent, compared with no more than 10 percent to 20 percent in modern industrial economies. And, contrary to Weber’s story about a new Protestant Ethic, savings rates were roughly the same in Catholic and Protestant countries or, for that matter, in China.
“Something besides thrifty self-discipline or violent expropriation must have been at work in northwestern Europe and its offshoots in the eighteenth century and later,” she writes. “Self-discipline and expropriation have been too common in human history to explain a revolution gathering force in Europe around 1800.”
Besides, as economic historians discovered in the 1960s, the economic takeoff didn’t actually require large amounts of capital. Early cotton mills, for instance, were relatively cheap to set up. “The source of the industrial investment required was short-term loans from merchants for inventories and longer- term loans from relatives -- not savings ripped in great chunks from other parts of the economy,” McCloskey writes. “Such chunk-ripping ‘capitalism’ awaited the Railway Age.”
There had always been enough capital. What was different, she maintains, is how people thought about new ideas. Creative destruction became not only accepted but also encouraged, as did individual enterprise. “What made us rich,” she writes, “was a new rhetoric that was favorable to unbounded innovation, imagination, alertness, persuasion, originality, with individual rewards often paid in a coin of honor or thankfulness -- not individual accumulation restlessly stirring, or mere duty to a calling, which are ancient and routine and uncreative.”
Radical Claim
This is a radical claim, and one that McCloskey, having dispatched the alternatives, plans to demonstrate further in her next book, “The Treasured Bourgeoisie.” The idea will sound particularly strange if you learned your economic history, as many political intellectuals do, in a diluted version of Marx and Polanyi (on the left) or Weber (on the right) and thus assume that economic growth depends, first and foremost, on some accumulated store of wealth. You might be inclined, therefore, to sneer at innovation -- or even, as Daniel Bell did, to write a book condemning it as a “cultural contradiction” of capitalism -- and at bourgeois virtue. If you think that capital, not insight or innovation, is the critical ingredient, it’s also a short hop to the belief that the entrepreneur doesn’t deserve praise for building the business.
McCloskey’s book is not only a useful survey of how scholars answer the biggest question in economics: What causes growth? It is also a timely reminder that prosperity depends on more than effort or resources or infrastructure or good laws. Attitudes matter, too. You don’t build a wealthy society by deriding bourgeois enterprise -- or the people who take pride in it.
(Virginia Postrel is a Bloomberg View columnist. She is the author of “The Future and Its Enemies” and “The Substance of Style,” and is writing a book on glamour. The opinions expressed are her own.)
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Too long/illogical. Your previous posts ruined your articles for me :-\
"blah blah Obama sucks blah"
If that's not the gist, notify me. Slyy already served u up on a platter like ten times
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The Bad History Behind ’You Didn’t Build That’
By Virginia Postrel
Aug 2, 2012 7:05 PM ET.
About Virginia Postrel
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Hectoring Entrepreneurs
The president’s sermon struck a nerve in part .... He went after bourgeois dignity.
“Bourgeois Dignity” is both the title of a recent book by ... Deirdre N. McCloskey and, she argues, the attitude that accounts for the biggest story in economic history....
That change, she argues, is way too big to be explained by normal economic behavior, however rational, disciplined or efficient. Hence the book’s subtitle: “Why Economics Can’t Explain the Modern World.”
Something bigger was at work. McCloskey’s explanation is that people changed the way ...” she writes, “a great shift occurred in what Alexis de Tocqueville ...
Overemphasizing Capital
Most of “Bourgeois Dignity” is devoted to knocking down alternative explanations for the sudden and enormous escalation in living standards. In particular, McCloskey draws on the last half-century of economic-history scholarship ...
“Something besides thrifty self-discipline or violent expropriation must have been at work in northwestern Europe and its offshoots in the eighteenth century and later,” she writes. “Self-discipline and ...”
“The source ..,” McCloskey writes. “Such chunk-ripping ...”
“What made us rich,” she writes, “was a new...”
Radical Claim
This is a radical claim, and one that McCloskey, having dispatched the alternatives, plans to demonstrate further in her next book, “The Treasured Bourgeoisie.” ...
McCloskey’s book is not only a useful survey ...
(Virginia Postrel is a Bloomberg View columnist. She is the author of “The Future and Its Enemies” and “The Substance of Style,” and is writing a book on glamour. The opinions expressed are her own.)
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So, now you are resorting to a book advertisement/review as a credible source?
If it wasn't for Obama, Deirdre N. McCloskey would NOT have THIS advertisement/review written about her book.
Oh, and IF the author, Virginia Postrel was SMART, her advertisement/review would have indicated that BOTH Romney AND Obama agree (or disagree) with the viewpoint argued in the book. Thus, Postrel would come across as informed and McCloskey could increase her market by getting Republicans AND Democrats to buy her book.
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Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter
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Mitt Romney's presidential campaign has gone on the offensive to attack a comment they say betrays President Barack Obama's contempt for private business.
President Barack Obama responded to Mitt Romney's attacks by releasing this Web video titled "Tampered."
For nearly two weeks, the Romney and Obama campaign have been arguing about whether President Barack Obama insulted entrepreneurs.
The argument started with comments Obama made about the intersection of business and government during a July 17, 2012 campaign appearance.
Romney, in comments at public events and in several ads, has argued that the remarks show a general disdain for business. The Republican National Committee and the National Federation of Independent Business are among the groups have released their own videos and statements echoing Romney that the president is out of touch.
In one fundraising e-mail, Matt Rhoades, Romney’s campaign manager, decried Obama’s "naďve view that government, and not the hard work, talent, and initiative of people, is the center of society and the economy." In another campaign e-mail, Amanda Henneberg, a Romney spokeswoman, said Obama had "denigrated Americans who built their own businesses."
The issue has become so big that the Obama campaign felt the need to address the issue head-on in a Web video titled "Tampered" that quoted media accounts saying the quote had been taken out of context.
Earlier, we looked at the full context of Obama’s statement. Here we will put a recent Romney claim about Obama’s comment to the Truth-O-Meter. To do this, we’ll look at the latest Romney web video in the seemingly endless back and forth.
Here's how the Romney campaign prefaced the video on its website:
"President Obama recently said: ‘If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.’
"Clearly, this President doesn't understand how our economy works.
"Mitt Romney understands that we have to celebrate people who start enterprises and employ other people rather than devalue them. Success is not the result of government, it is the result of hard-working people who take risks, create dreams, and build lives for themselves and for their families.
"Stand with Mitt today and stand up for Americans who work hard to build their businesses, their homes, their families and their communities."
In this item, we’ll rate the claim that Obama was saying success "is the result of government," not "hard-working people," when he said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
In case you didn't catch it the first 5,000 times the snippet ran on cable, yes, those words were uttered by Obama.
But as you can see when you read the full text of his remarks, that quote distorts the meaning of Obama's claim. (Romney himself has been a victim of this kind of shenanigans, when opponents claimed he said he liked firing people.)
Here is the full context, from Obama's speech in Roanoke, Va.:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."
We believe, as do our friends at FactCheck.org and the Washington Post Fact Checker, that Romney has seriously distorted Obama’s comments.
Romney cherry-picked a quote that made it sound like Obama was dismissive of businesses when in fact he was making a point that success comes from the combination of "individual initiative" and the fact that "we do things together."
The biggest problem is that the Romney campaign has left out the lead-up to the statement -- that "if you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges."
These words indicate that Obama was referring to infrastructure and educational opportunities that were paid for by taxpayers through the government -- things that established a necessary foundation for making private businesses successful.
We think his meaning is clear -- that both business people and government play a role in the American enterprise system, not purely one or the other.
Our ruling
In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.
The preceding sentences make clear that Obama was talking about the importance of government-provided infrastructure and education to the success of private businesses.
Romney also conveniently ignores Obama's clear summary of his message, that "the point is ... that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
By leaving out the "individual initiative" reference, Romney and his supporters have misled viewers and given a false impression. For that, we rate the claim False.
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A person can't help but ask why these two sentences would be placed out there, no matter what the supposed intent for them may have been.
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A person can't help but ask why these two sentences would be placed out there, no matter what the supposed intent for them may have been.
What two sentences are you referencing, that are causing you to be confused?
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A person can't help but ask why these two sentences would be placed out there, no matter what the supposed intent for them may have been.
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
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"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
333's post (19 days ago) of the speech should clear up your confusion. Check out the rest of the paragraph which will explain the first two sentences.
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
If that does not clear up the confusion, check out what Romney said 5 days later (18 days ago). They are saying the same thing, so hopefully that will clear up any confusion you may have about the "two sentences."
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Do you suppose there may have been an intent to stir conflict by the use of these words?
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Do you suppose there may have been an intent to stir conflict by the use of these words?
By both candidates?
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By both candidates?
We are talking about these words:
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
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We are talking about these words:
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
I bring up Romney's quotes in this thread because 333 is so focused on Obama's words and forgets Romney (the only other candidate with a shot) agrees.
Before I answer your question, I will use another quote by Romney from July 18th:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works, and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that.”
To answer your question, no, I do not personally believe that Obama used those words with the intent to stir conflict. The fact that his bitter rival, Mitt Romney conceded to those words, should tell you that theme of Obama's speech (including those words) is recognized and accepted by mainstream America. I mean, "WE ALL RECOGNIZE" that a lot of people in government help businesses.
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To answer your question, no, I do not personally believe that Obama used those words with the intent to stir conflict.
Do you think he may have forgotten about the existence of such a common tactic, whereby a sentence or more may be presented as a standalone statement--no matter what the intent of the containing expression?
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Do you think he may have forgotten about the existence of such a common tactic, whereby a sentence or more may be presented as a standalone statement--no matter what the intent of the containing expression?
Did Romney forget the "common tactic," when he tried to insult Obama's "two sentences," only to agree with them seconds later in his speech?
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Did Romney forget the "common tactic," when he tried to insult Obama's "two sentences," only to agree with them seconds later in his speech?
I wouldn't know. If he was here, I'd ask him.
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What did obama ever build? Nothing but a pile of debt.
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I wouldn't know. If he was here, I'd ask him.
Obama isn't here either, I guess we will have to read the speeches and comprehend them for ourselves. Luckily, in this case, both candidates agree...so, the issue is moot.
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What did obama ever build? Nothing but a pile of debt.
He built a large space in your head :)
Anyway, I see you are trying to deviate from the issue you are "lmfao" at and your purpose for starting this thread...again. Not much else you can do at this point.
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Obama isn't here either, I guess we will have to read the speeches and comprehend them for ourselves. Luckily, in this case, both candidates agree...so, the issue is moot.
You're here, though...what do you say?
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You're here, though...what do you say?
You are here too. But, I understand your hesitation in answering my question. I will deviate from the issue in this thread and answer your question.
I assume you have seen all of the wonderful quotes made by Romney overseas. Both of these men are Harvard grads and Presidential candidates (one of course is Prez). Moreover, do you remember the Republican primaries? Do you remember all the quotes made by those Presidential hopefuls?
None of the people above "have forgotten about the existence of such a common tactic, whereby a sentence or more may be presented as a standalone statement--no matter what the intent of the containing expression" They are politicians, they make speeches constantly...it's part of their job.
What you have seem to have forgotten is that sentences make up the body of the paragraph, just as the supporting paragraphs make up the body of a speech/essay (the people mentioned above, KNOW this and therefore did NOT forget THE "common tactic").
Jack, do you read one sentence of a speech/essay and determine that...THAT sentence alone IS the speech/essay? Or do you read the entire speech/essay to understand and comprehend its meaning?
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I assume you have seen all of the wonderful quotes made by Romney overseas. Both of these men are Harvard grads and Presidential candidates (one of course is Prez). Moreover, do you remember the Republican primaries? Do you remember all the quotes made by those Presidential hopefuls?
So by comparing to quotes made by these others, you would suggest that it appears to be a lapse of some sort, to have used the particular words that he did?
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So by comparing to quotes made by these others, you would suggest that it appears to be a lapse of some sort, to have used the particular words that he did?
Not at all, I don't think you read my response. I mention those people to indicate that no one has "forgotten about the existence of...[the] common tactic."
You listen or read the entire speech (or at least paragraph) in order to interpret it. You do not simply read one or two sentences and interpret them alone to stand for the entire speech.
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Not at all, I don't think you read my response. I mention those people to indicate that no one has "forgotten about the existence of...[the] common tactic."
You listen or read the entire speech (or at least paragraph) in order to interpret it. You do not simply read one or two sentences and interpret them alone to stand for the entire speech.
So you would suggest that Obama may have thought that a person who would be exposed to the sentences as a standalone statement, would reliably seek a greater context.
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So you would suggest that Obama may have thought that a person who would be exposed to the sentences as a standalone statement, would reliably seek a greater context.
Jack, do you read one sentence of a speech/essay and determine that...THAT sentence alone IS the speech/essay? Or do you read the entire speech/essay to understand and comprehend its meaning?
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So this is what you would suggest his reasoning to be, by using these particular words.
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So this is what you would suggest his reasoning to be, by using these particular words.
What is "this"?
Why am I to determine his reasoning for "using these particular words?"
The point here, is that there are two candidates running for President. Both agree with the title of this thread. Thus, this thread is either moot or people should be be complaining about BOTH Romney and Obama's position on the issue.
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What is "this"?
Why am I to determine his reasoning for "using these particular words?"
The point here, is that there are two candidates running for President. Both agree with the title of this thread. Thus, this thread is either moot or people should be be complaining about BOTH Romney and Obama's position.
I would hope a person's interest would be piqued. The answer should be much further-reaching than whether "Criminal 1" or "Criminal 2" will assume the role of winner.
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I would hope a person's interest would be piqued.
If it piques your interest, you should start thread regarding whether each sentence of every speech should be unambiguous to everyone. You can also start a thread (or ask both questions) about the reasoning used by politicians and speech writers for choosing the particular words they use.
The answer should be much further-reaching than whether "Criminal 1" or "Criminal 2" will assume the role of winner.
That isn't what this thread is about. THIS thread started on July 17, IS about 333 laughing at Obama's quote, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." Then, on July 18, Romney agreed with Obama. It killed 333's thread and portrayed him as very uninformed, since he continued to solely insult Obama for his position (NOT Obama's reasoning for using those particular words [see below]).
333 Said:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say.
Insane beyond words.
333 did NOT say, "Obama's reasoning for using these particular words was..." Thus, we are NOT debating in THIS thread whether 333 is correct or not regarding his opinion about Obama's "reasoning" for using those particular words. This thread is much more elementary than that (see his above quote).
Again, feel free to start a thread about whether each sentence of every speech should be unambiguous to everyone and/or the reasoning behind each word used. I am not going to speculate about Obama or Romney's reasoning for using particular words.
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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.
(By the way, you are changing the words in all your posts so quickly, it's hard to keep up with what you're trying to say.)
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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.
(By the way, you are changing the words in all your posts so quickly, it's hard to keep up with what you're trying to say.)
Once Romney agreed with him, the issue was moot. The only arguments left with regard to this issue is that both are morons or that both are geniuses.
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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.
The thread, as started by 333, is about this comment "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own" and 333's opinion that "This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say."
Again, once Romney agreed with him, the issue was moot. You can STILL ARGUE it's the dumbest thing Obama has said, but you have to acknowledge that it is one of the dumbest things Romney has said as well.
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I wonder how "dumb" it is.
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I wonder how "dumb" it is.
Since we have no other Presidential candidate besides Romney and Obama that has a chance at winning, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is." Your personal opinion (or all of getbig's for that matter) can range from extremely "intelligent" to extremely "idiotic." Regardless, the next President of the United States will be of the opinion that people need the government and/or other outside sources to become successful.
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Since we have no other Presidential candidate besides Romney and Obama that has a chance at winning, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is.
I'd have to say the exact opposite would be true.
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I'd have to say the exact opposite would be true.
Actually, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is" for the simple reason that you cannot do anything about it.
Whether you like it or not, your next President will be of the opinion that people need the government and/or other outside sources to become successful.
Again, you either agree with BOTH or disagree with BOTH candidates.
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You can't see past this one argument, SLYY. If you expect any "right-winger" from the board to come around, you'll have a long wait.
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You can't see past this one argument, SLYY. If you expect any "right-winger" from the board to come around, you'll have a long wait.
I have no intention of making right or left wingers change parties. I only joined this thread because there were so many uninformed people out there regarding Romney agreeing with Obama's comments.
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I have no intention of making right or left wingers change parties. I only joined this thread because there were so many uninformed people out there regarding Romney agreeing with Obama's comments.
Totally agree. Keep reminding them.
Obama's particular choice of words were more confrontational than Romney's, however, and opened a larger door for attack. That's what these guys are clinging to.
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Obama's particular choice of words were more confrontational than Romney's, however, and opened a larger door for attack. That's what these guys are clinging to.
I agree with that statement. I think Romney could have used Obama's speech against him indefinitely (even though I believe both Romney and Obama's statements to be true). Why he chose to agree (even if less confrontational) and use so many of the same words as Obama, is beyond me. All Romney had to do was shut his mouth and ride the wave.
Totally agree. Keep reminding them.
I'm surprised this thread is still active, but 333 keeps posting articles/book advertisements he finds so... :-\
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Obama’s incredible small business gaffe just won’t go away
The New York Amsterdam News ^ | August 5, 2012 | Richard Carter
Posted on August 5, 2012 2:01:02 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“Do you think not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth?…”—Robert Redford, “Three Days of the Condor” (1975)
In the long, undistinguished annals of big-time gaffes in American politics, Barack Hussein Obama’s recent shot at small businesspeople ranks near the top. Indeed, this astonishing verbal blunder has taken on a life of its own.
As a result, three weeks after the president’s ill-advised comments during a July 13 campaign speech in Roanoke, Va., much of America is still talking about his unseemly words. And they are still hard to believe. To wit:
“If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that—somebody else made that happen.” Ugh!
What’s the best way to describe what Obama said? Here’s what some pundits are calling it: “botch,” “blunder,” “bungle,” “delusional,” “faux pas,” “fumble,” “gaffe,” “goof,” “loopy,” “misstep,” “stumble” and, quite simply, that he put his foot in his mouth big-time.
In effect, Obama dissed America’s business community in general, and small businesspeople in particular. It’s unconscionable that a president of the United States would do this. His words were stunning and simply unbelievable. And they continue to resonate.
What could Obama have been thinking? Some have speculated that it was due to “going off teleprompter”—that is, speaking off the cuff without reading from the multiple teleprompters that always surround him. Doing so is not his strong suit. Others say this president is simply anti-free market business.
If the former was the case—perhaps surprisingly to his worshippers—Obama is in for a tough time in the upcoming presidential debates against presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney. American political debates are a contact sport and spontaneous.
If it was the latter, Obama truly is out of his depth as president. Doesn’t he understand that the nation’s economy was built by the blood, sweat and tears of hard-working businesspeople—small as well as large? His fixation with the federal government as a panacea is, quite frankly, an embarrassment and reeks of socialism.
Here’s how Romney responded to Obama’s blunder: “To say something like that is not just foolishness, it’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America. I don’t think the president, by his comments, understands what makes America a unique nation. If you attack success, you’ll see what we’ve seen over the past few years—less success. I find it extraordinary that a philosophy of that nature would be spoken by a president of the United States.”
In the same vein, Romney took Obama to task for failing to meet with his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness for the last six months. And the explanation by the president’s press secretary, Jay Carney? “He’s got a lot on his plate.” Huh? Can you believe it?
Predictably, Obama’s loopy small business gaffe, which has strongly galvanized Republicans, is reflected in many pointed letters to the editor in big-city newspapers. The writers leave no doubt as to their negative feelings. Following are some excerpts:
“Would the late, great Sylvia Woods, the ‘Queen of Soul Food,’ have agreed with President Obama that someone else made her tremendous success happen?”
“Of all of Obama’s rhetoric in the White House, his attack on the very notion of creativity has been the most destructive, by far. If he had said this in 2008, he would have been unelectable.”
“Beyond the small business community, which suffered a direct insult, Obama has just told each and every American that they cannot expect to succeed without him. I think that comes as a shock to even his most fervent followers.”
“According to Obama’s philosophy, no one builds anything. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, John D. Rockefeller and the rest of the great entrepreneurs in history are merely leeching off the efforts of others.”
“By letting his view slip out, Obama displays a lack of faith in our economic system, diligence and people.”
These sentiments express very clearly why Obama’s classic gaffe could be what millions of Americans will remember in the voting booth on Nov. 6. Prior to the election, his inexplicable diss of small businesspeople may also become a focal point of the three presidential debates in October.
A concrete result of Obama’s small business comments is reflected in a new Gallup poll released July 26. In it, his approval rating among business owners dropped from 59 percent to 35 percent. Meanwhile, the latest Rasmussen tracking poll has Romney leading Obama overall by six points—49 percent to 43 percent.
Finally, Obama’s intemperate remarks of July 13 were exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time. America is a working-class nation whose citizens don’t like anyone telling them they didn’t make it on their own. That’s because most small businesspeople did.
Bottom line: It’s clear the land is rife with political unrest among independents—such as this writer—and Republicans. If you’re a Democrat, you’d better hope Obama gets his act together or, indeed, he’ll be a one-term president. And that’s the name of that tune.
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What does coachisright.com have to say about all of this?
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Obama’s incredible small business gaffe just won’t go away
The New York Amsterdam News ^ | August 5, 2012 | Richard Carter
Posted on August 5, 2012 2:01:02 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There is a reason why you are resorting to book advertisements for Bourgeois Dignity and bloggers named 2ndDivsionVet as credible sources to your position...can you guess the reason? If not, take a look below.
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those quotes show romney and obama feel the same way.
personally, i think they're both wrong.
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those quotes show romney and obama feel the same way.
personally, i think they're both wrong.
That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.
Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that". Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.
Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.
This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.
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That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.
This is not a left vs. right issue. People who are tagging Romney with Obama's comments are merely saying, disagree or agree with both candidates. Since most, if not all "lefties" agree with both Romney and Obama on this issue, I don't think any of these "lefties" are indicating that Romney or Obama put their foot in their mouth.
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Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that".
Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.
1. Please show us where Obama stated anything to the effect of "businessmen somehow owe the AVERAGE JOE a piece of their profit."
2. PLEASE indicate where Obama said, "if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM"
3. After actually reading the speech, where did Obama DISCREDIT the businessman?
Here is Obama's speech. Read it in its entirety. Notice where the statement "you didn't build that" is located. I will make the sentences around it red, that may help you.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
Now, you are going to say, but Romney never said, "you didn't build that." Okay, let's look at what Romney DID say:
“There are A LOT of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
Then Romney says:
"I know that you recognize A LOT OF PEOPLE helped you in that BUSINESS. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Let's compare notes from both speeches regarding where the help/assistance comes from:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," "government"
"banks," and
"government"
Thus, Romney didn't use the exact words "you didn't build that" in his speech. However, the theme of Romney's speech was, you didn't build that without the help of (see the list above, almost identical to Obama's list). Moreover, if you have read Obama's speech, you know that he was saying the same thing as Romney and "the sentence" in the middle of the paragraph conforms with the very theme that both candidates' speeches were based on.
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Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.
Obama stated:
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
Obama is telling the world that when you succeed (entrepreneurs included) it is because of your "individual initiative." This is giving props, credit, and/or respect to people who succeed due to their "individual initiative." He continues by saying we also have success by doing things together, just like Romney does throughout his speech.
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This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.
It's clear based on this comment that you did not read Romney or Obama's speech as neither speech was about your above quote.
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The bottom line is that BOTH candidates AGREE with the statement and title of this thread, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." That may anger you and you are entitled to that emotion. But, to solely state that Obama is "dumb" or "intelligent" for his position on this issue, can only be made by someone who is uninformed.
i.e.
That gaffe is squarely on Obama.
You either agree with BOTH or disagree with BOTH candidates, hence the stupidity of this thread.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/15/Virginia-Bakery-Refuses-To-Serve-Biden
Ha ha ha !!!!!
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/15/Virginia-Bakery-Refuses-To-Serve-Biden
Ha ha ha !!!!!
Being angry and petty doesn't make the statement wrong.
I wonder if they would turn down Romney... seeing as how he said the EXACT SAME THING.
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Iowa deli co-owner caters for Obama visit, but his T-shirt tells another story
Washington Post ^
Posted on August 15, 2012 9:54:28 PM EDT
DAVENPORT, Iowa — Ross Murty likes business, but he doesn’t like President Obama.
And so the co-owner of the Village Corner Deli here agreed to cater Obama’s visit Wednesday — but not before donning a T-shirt blaring the message: “Government didn’t build my business. I did.”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Good. FUCK OBAMA!
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That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.
Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that". Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.
Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.
This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.
Please tell me you dont vote
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Bump.
FUCK OBAMA!!!!!!
Straw - his quote is right there.
He is a hardcore communist.
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Bump.
FUCK OBAMA!!!!!!
Are you off today?
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Please tell me you dont vote
You are the silly nitwit that shouldn't vote.
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This is not a left vs. right issue. People who are tagging Romney with Obama's comments are merely saying, disagree or agree with both candidates. Since most, if not all "lefties" agree with both Romney and Obama on this issue, I don't think any of these "lefties" are indicating that Romney or Obama put their foot in their mouth.
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1. Please show us where Obama stated anything to the effect of "businessmen somehow owe the AVERAGE JOE a piece of their profit."
2. PLEASE indicate where Obama said, "if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM"
3. After actually reading the speech, where did Obama DISCREDIT the businessman?
Here is Obama's speech. Read it in its entirety. Notice where the statement "you didn't build that" is located. I will make the sentences around it red, that may help you.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
Now, you are going to say, but Romney never said, "you didn't build that." Okay, let's look at what Romney DID say:
“There are A LOT of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
Then Romney says:
"I know that you recognize A LOT OF PEOPLE helped you in that BUSINESS. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Let's compare notes from both speeches regarding where the help/assistance comes from:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," "government"
"banks," and
"government"
Thus, Romney didn't use the exact words "you didn't build that" in his speech. However, the theme of Romney's speech was, you didn't build that without the help of (see the list above, almost identical to Obama's list). Moreover, if you have read Obama's speech, you know that he was saying the same thing as Romney and "the sentence" in the middle of the paragraph conforms with the very theme that both candidates' speeches were based on.
________________________ ________________________ ______________
Obama stated:
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
Obama is telling the world that when you succeed (entrepreneurs included) it is because of your "individual initiative." This is giving props, credit, and/or respect to people who succeed due to their "individual initiative." He continues by saying we also have success by doing things together, just like Romney does throughout his speech.
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It's clear based on this comment that you did not read Romney or Obama's speech as neither speech was about your above quote.
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The bottom line is that BOTH candidates AGREE with the statement and title of this thread, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own." That may anger you and you are entitled to that emotion. But, to solely state that Obama is "dumb" or "intelligent" for his position on this issue, can only be made by someone who is uninformed.
i.e.
You either agree with BOTH or disagree with BOTH candidates, hence the stupidity of this thread.
Wrong, SLYY!! For one simple reason: At NO TIME did Romney say, "You didn't build that". Obama clearly stated, "You didn't build that; somebody ELSE made that happen."
That's not stating that someone had help. That's stating that YOU weren't responsible for your business' success. Thanks for playing.
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Wrong, SLYY!! For one simple reason: At NO TIME did Romney say, "You didn't build that". Obama clearly stated, "You didn't build that; somebody ELSE made that happen."
That's not stating that someone had help. That's stating that YOU weren't responsible for your business' success. Thanks for playing.
If you care to check some other threads, half of these people that you agree with are calling you the N word in another thread.
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Wrong, SLYY!! For one simple reason: At NO TIME did Romney say, "You didn't build that". Obama clearly stated, "You didn't build that; somebody ELSE made that happen."
That's not stating that someone had help. That's stating that YOU weren't responsible for your business' success. Thanks for playing.
They really have broken you, havent they? Running around defending people who consider you shit. You are wasting your time buddy.
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They really have broken you, havent they? Running around defending people who consider you shit. You are wasting your time buddy.
And what exactly do you know about Obama, other then mirage created by the media? I bet not a fucking thing. I live in IL and have had this arrogant prick "community organizing", in the state senate and finally congress. Obama doesn't give a shit about you or the poor or anyone else. Obama cares about himself and his image. Hell if you were laying dying in the gutter that fucker would step over you to get to his next fund raise and not loose a wink of sleep. Redistribute, take from to give to ::) Do you think you are entitled to something simply for the fact that you were born in America? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and oh by the way its up to you to catch it.
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If you care to check some other threads, half of these people that you agree with are calling you the N word in another thread.
And who would these people be again?
They really have broken you, havent they? Running around defending people who consider you shit. You are wasting your time buddy.
Nobody has broken me. I don't give my vote to a party or a candidate, whose idea of helping the poor is simply adding to their ranks.
You are the foolish belief that calling Romney a racist somehow excuses Obama's pathetic performance, or that he should get a second term despite his apathy, simply because he is black.
When you get over your identity crisis and get a clue, business will pick up on your end.
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And what exactly do you know about Obama, other then mirage created by the media? I bet not a fucking thing. I live in IL and have had this arrogant prick "community organizing", in the state senate and finally congress. Obama doesn't give a shit about you or the poor or anyone else. Obama cares about himself and his image. Hell if you were laying dying in the gutter that fucker would step over you to get to his next fund raise and not loose a wink of sleep. Redistribute, take from to give to ::) Do you think you are entitled to something simply for the fact that you were born in America? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and oh by the way its up to you to catch it.
We are talking politics here. Obama wants to cut taxes for the middle-class republicans wants to cut taxes for millionaires.
I prefer a society where millionaires might have to drive only one Rolls Royce instead of 2 and hard working middle-class people doesnt pay to many taxes.
So again why do you "defend" billionaires? Its not logical
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And what exactly do you know about Obama, other then mirage created by the media? I bet not a fucking thing. I live in IL and have had this arrogant prick "community organizing", in the state senate and finally congress. Obama doesn't give a shit about you or the poor or anyone else. Obama cares about himself and his image. Hell if you were laying dying in the gutter that fucker would step over you to get to his next fund raise and not loose a wink of sleep. Redistribute, take from to give to ::) Do you think you are entitled to something simply for the fact that you were born in America? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and oh by the way its up to you to catch it.
Perhaps, Whork/Blacken can remind us how many black neighborhoods Obama visited, during his American bus tour last year. Or why Obama can break his neck to hob-nob with Hollywood elites or gays but sent Biden to cover for him at the NAACP.
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And who would these people be again?
Nobody has broken me. I don't give my vote to a party or a candidate, whose idea of helping the poor is simply adding to their ranks.
You are the foolish belief that calling Romney a racist somehow excuses Obama's pathetic performance, or that he should get a second term despite his apathy, simply because he is black.
When you get over your identity crisis and get a clue, business will pick up on your end.
The GOP, rich people etc..
I didnt call Romney a racist im calling him a born rich fellow who doesnt give a shit about others because everything has been served him on a plate.
You are supporting a guy who wants to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. How do you justify being a christian? Or are you a hypocrite?
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We are talking politics here. Obama wants to cut taxes for the middle-class republicans wants to cut taxes for millionaires.
I prefer a society where millionaires might have to drive only one Rolls Royce instead of 2 and hard working middle-class people doesnt pay to many taxes.
So again why do you "defend" billionaires? Its not logical
Wrong. The GOP wants to cut taxes for EVERYONE. For some strange reason, people of all income brackets like keeping as much of their money in their own pockets.
I prefer a society where people like you don't get to dictate who's entitled to what.
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We are talking politics here. Obama wants to cut taxes for the middle-class republicans wants to cut taxes for millionaires.
I prefer a society where millionaires might have to drive only one Rolls Royce instead of 2 and hard working middle-class people doesnt pay to many taxes.
So again why do you "defend" billionaires? Its not logical
So this is all a jealousy thing with you then? If someone can afford 2 Rolls Royce with the money they have EARNED who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise? So you solution is to punish the rich via proxy, the government, which by the way is full of millionaires. What tax cuts for the middle class, last time I checked the cuts from the previous admin keep getting extended.
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The GOP, rich people etc..
I didnt call Romney a racist im calling him a born rich fellow who doesnt give a shit about others because everything has been served him on a plate.
You are supporting a guy who wants to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. How do you justify being a christian? Or are you a hypocrite?
Dude wake the fuck up, most rich people are democrats. This whole class warfare thing is a fucking joke, designed to cater to the uninformed
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The GOP, rich people etc..
I didnt call Romney a racist im calling him a born rich fellow who doesnt give a shit about others because everything has been served him on a plate.
You are supporting a guy who wants to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. How do you justify being a christian? Or are you a hypocrite?
What an absolute crock. The only people making the poor poorer is Barack Obama. Or did you forget that more people are on food stamps and welfare on his watch than on that of any other president in history.
How many months now has unemployment been at least 8 percent again?
And, NOW, Obama has gutted the work requirement for welfare by re-defining work as getting massage or running errands for your neighbor?
I missed the part where being a Christian meant subsidizing the lazy or taking from someone who does work and giving to those who can but won't. Then, there's that passage about "if anyone would not work, neither should he eat".
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So this is all a jealousy thing with you then? If someone can afford 2 Rolls Royce with the money they have EARNED who they fuck are you to tell them otherwise? So you solution is to punish the rich via proxy, the government, which by the way is full of millionaires. What tax cuts for the middle class, last time I checked the cuts from the previous admin keep getting extended.
Yes im jealous of the guy with 2 Rolls and not the one with 1 ::)
And im all for tax cuts even for the millionaires, IF WE HAD THE MONEY!! We are broke. Get it.
And i dont want to disable the military or health care so a rich guy can get even richer.
And i dont hate rich people i hope to be one some day :)
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So this is all a jealousy thing with you then? If someone can afford 2 Rolls Royce with the money they have EARNED who they fuck are you to tell them otherwise? So you solution is to punish the rich via proxy, the government, which by the way is full of millionaires. What tax cuts for the middle class, last time I checked the cuts from the previous admin keep getting extended.
And if the rich Dems supposedly care so much about the poor, what's stopping them from coughing up more of their own money VOLUNTARILY to Uncle Sam again. Dollars to donuts, neither Obama nor his Democrat buddies paid one thin dime more in taxes than they absolutely were required to do.
As usual, liberals are only liberal with other people's money.
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Yes im jealous of the guy with 2 Rolls and not the one with 1 ::)
And im all for tax cuts even for the millionaires, IF WE HAD THE MONEY!! We are broke. Get it.
And i dont want to disable the military or health care so a rich guy can get even richer.
And i dont hate rich people i hope to be one some day :)
We are broke, because knuckleheads in Washington (both GOP and Democrat) can't manage money to save their lives. We are broke for one simple reason: we spend more than we make. Taxing the rich doesn't help one bit. You'd be able to run Washington for two weeks TOPS.
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Yes im jealous of the guy with 2 Rolls and not the one with 1 ::)
And im all for tax cuts even for the millionaires, IF WE HAD THE MONEY!! We are broke. Get it.
And i dont want to disable the military or health care so a rich guy can get even richer.
And i dont hate rich people i hope to be one some day :)
Your first sentence shows you are. And why are we broke, it sure as hell isn't because the rich don't pay enough tax. You see the government spend to much fucking money. Everybody else in this country has to live within their means, except the government, right? The military is actually one of the constitutional duties of the government, health care is not.
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What an absolute crock. The only people making the poor poorer is Barack Obama. Or did you forget that more people are on food stamps and welfare on his watch than on that of any other president in history.
And why is that. Have is policies in 3 years (when this report came out, affected the job climate in such a way where there was rapid job growth before and as soon as he got in we can point to a smoking gun and say "ah haaa.. because you did this, jobs left.....
If you have one, i would like to know it.
How many months now has unemployment been at least 8 percent again?
Also...How did Obamas Policies as it pertians to the employment rate affect this number. DO you have any examples that says "i can point to these 3 things that cost this many jobs.
And, NOW, Obama has gutted the work requirement for welfare by re-defining work as getting massage or running errands for your neighbor?
I missed the part where being a Christian meant subsidizing the lazy or taking from someone who does work and giving to those who can but won't. Then, there's that passage about "if anyone would not work, neither should he eat".
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Your first sentence shows you are. And why are we broke, it sure as hell isn't because the rich don't pay enough tax. You see the government spend to much fucking money. Everybody else in this country has to live within their means, except the government, right? The military is actually one of the constitutional duties of the government, health care is not.
One of the reasons we use to much money is the very reason we are the riches country in the world. Technology, science etc all require investments. But you have some valid points we are not that far from each other but IMO you simplify things a little
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Your first sentence shows you are. And why are we broke, it sure as hell isn't because the rich don't pay enough tax. You see the government spend to much fucking money. Everybody else in this country has to live within their means, except the government, right? The military is actually one of the constitutional duties of the government, health care is not.
Too much money on what. Wars, Defense budget, Social Security, Medicare?
What would you cut?
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Too much money on what. Wars, Defense budget, Social Security, Medicare?
What would you cut?
Anything the federal government isn't constitutionally mandated to do. Then it would be up to the states to decide if they want SS, Medicare...... the way it was meant to be.
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And if the rich Dems supposedly care so much about the poor, what's stopping them from coughing up more of their own money VOLUNTARILY to Uncle Sam again. Dollars to donuts, neither Obama nor his Democrat buddies paid one thin dime more in taxes than they absolutely were required to do.
As usual, liberals are only liberal with other people's money.
I didnt say they care im not that interested but there politics "care" more for the middle class
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I didnt say they care im not that interested but there politics "care" more for the middle class
No they don't, it just appears that way. Give a so called tax break then get your money x10, via the back door.
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What an absolute crock. The only people making the poor poorer is Barack Obama. Or did you forget that more people are on food stamps and welfare on his watch than on that of any other president in history.
And why is that. Have is policies in 3 years (when this report came out, affected the job climate in such a way where there was rapid job growth before and as soon as he got in we can point to a smoking gun and say "ah haaa.. because you did this, jobs left.....
If you have one, i would like to know it.
How many months now has unemployment been at least 8 percent again?
Also...How did Obamas Policies as it pertians to the employment rate affect this number. DO you have any examples that says "i can point to these 3 things that cost this many jobs.
And, NOW, Obama has gutted the work requirement for welfare by re-defining work as getting massage or running errands for your neighbor?
I missed the part where being a Christian meant subsidizing the lazy or taking from someone who does work and giving to those who can but won't. Then, there's that passage about "if anyone would not work, neither should he eat".
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No they don't, it just appears that way. Give a so called tax break then get your money x10, via the back door.
How does tax breaks for the middle-class for the middle-class not benefit the middle-class?
How does tax breaks for millionaires not affect millionaires?
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How does tax breaks for the middle-class for the middle-class not benefit the middle-class?
How does tax breaks for millionaires not affect millionaires?
Lets see, that whole payroll tax thing, lets see I got what, $7 more a pay period. Wow maybe I can got to a movie, by myself ::). Mean while because of all the spending and stimulus money, the dollar is devalued. Gas is over $4/gal, groceries cost about $30 -$40 more. How's that extra $7 working out for the middle class?
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Lets see, that whole payroll tax thing, lets see I got what, $7 more a pay period. Wow maybe I can got to a movie, by myself ::). Mean while because of all the spending and stimulus money, the dollar is devalued. Gas is over $4/gal, groceries cost about $30 -$40 more. How's that extra $7 working out for the middle class?
Agree.
But its the same thing with the rich, no?
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Agree.
But its the same thing with the rich, no?
Its all percentages, up until the federal government started collecting income tax, according to the constitution taxes had to be uniform. Now we have a progressive tax system on income tax. So why do the "rich" pay less tax? Well because there income is small in comparison to their investments. because someone is worth 20 million, doesn't mean they have 20 million in income. Raising income tax on the rich is a symbolic gesture at best, and they aren't going to start fucking around with taxes on investment, because then the "rich" won't. The money will end up in a swiss bank account
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Its all percentages, up until the federal government started collecting income tax, according to the constitution taxes had to be uniform. Now we have a progressive tax system on income tax. So why do the "rich" pay less tax? Well because there income is small in comparison to their investments. because someone is worth 20 million, doesn't mean they have 20 million in income. Raising income tax on the rich is a symbolic gesture at best, and they aren't going to start fucking around with taxes on investment, because then the "rich" won't. The money will end up in a swiss bank account
And if you don't believe the rich will find ways to keep their money, take a good look at rich liberals (i.e. John Kerry, parking his yacht in Rhode Island, to avoid paying taxes on it in Massachusetts).
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And if you don't believe the rich will find ways to keep their money, take a good look at rich liberals (i.e. John Kerry, parking his yacht in Rhode Island, to avoid paying taxes on it in Massachusetts).
That longed face muther fucker.. he really did that shit?
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Wrong, SLYY!! For one simple reason: At NO TIME did Romney say, "You didn't build that". Obama clearly stated, "You didn't build that; somebody ELSE made that happen."
That's not stating that someone had help. That's stating that YOU weren't responsible for your business' success. Thanks for playing.
Now, you are going to say, but Romney never said, "you didn't build that." Okay, let's look at what Romney DID say:
“There are A LOT of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
Then Romney says:
"I know that you recognize A LOT OF PEOPLE helped you in that BUSINESS. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."
Let's compare notes from both speeches regarding where the help/assistance comes from:
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," "government"
"banks," and
"government"
Thus, Romney didn't use the exact words "you didn't build that" in his speech. However, the theme of Romney's speech was, you didn't build that without the help of (see the list above, almost identical to Obama's list). Moreover, if you have read Obama's speech, you know that he was saying the same thing as Romney and "the sentence" in the middle of the paragraph conforms with the very theme that both candidates' speeches were based on.
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That longed face muther fucker.. he really did that shit?
Jesus fucking Christ are you ignorant. You seriously did not know this? Come on.
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Jesus fucking Christ are you ignorant. You seriously did not know this? Come on.
Aye check this out chump. You are the last person to call someone ignorant. I can care less where someone parked their boat. I dont get into the trivial shit. As do you "Obamas wife said something about a egg mcmuffin.. " the shit is just night high on my radar...
Hold up... arent you the same person who had no idea about Iran Contra Affiar and the Drugs.... so hold off on the ignorant shit chief...
Oh yeah.. Ill be in NY in 2 weeks...
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Aye check this out chump. You are the last person to call someone ignorant. I can care less where someone parked their boat. I dont get into the trivial shit. As do you "Obamas wife said something about a egg mcmuffin.. " the shit is just night high on my radar...
Hold up... arent you the same person who had no idea about Iran Contra Affiar and the Drugs.... so hold off on the ignorant shit chief...
Oh yeah.. Ill be in NY in 2 weeks...
and 333386 will be in california in 2 weeks
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and 333386 will be in california in 2 weeks
Blacken - you didnt build that group home you live in - somebody else created that. Somewhere along the aline, you had some help, maybe a drug dealer, or a pimp, or a gangbanger gave you some help.
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Blacken - you didnt build that group home you live in - somebody else created that. Somewhere along the aline, you had some help, maybe a drug dealer, or a pimp, or a gangbanger gave you some help.
you think i live in your neighborhood ;D
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Blacken - you didnt build that group home you live in - somebody else created that. Somewhere along the aline, you had some help, maybe a drug dealer, or a pimp, or a gangbanger gave you some help.
6000 miles to Ca from NY....
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6000 miles to Ca from NY....
what's that about
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what's that about
What.. you didnt know?... 3333, the guy that calls people ignorant, yeah.. this asshole said its 5000 miles from NY to LA
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must be taking that short cut through florida ;D
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:D
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Paul ryan didn't write to obama asking for money. Smoebody else wrote that letter.
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:D
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Paul ryan didn't write to obama asking for money. Smoebody else wrote that letter.
;D
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This sign doesn't make any sense.
It sounds like it's arguing FOR Obama's remarks.
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Obama Says: Doctor, You Did Not Graduate From Medical School
Townhall.com ^ | August 18, 2012 | Hal Scherz
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:08:23
The reason that President Obama uses teleprompters, even when addressing elementary school children, is because he cannot help but reveal who he is and what he believes during moments that involve real spontaneity. He no doubt wishes that he had gotten a “mulligan” for that line that he inadvertently delivered: “you did not build that business”, but it says so much about the man, his agenda, and why he feels the moral superiority to enact it.
Some dismissed the comment, while others called it a Freudian slip. But devotees of Freud maintain that a “slip” is actually caused by an unconscious or repressed wish, feeling or train of thought.
Poker players I know call it a “tell”. I believe it was simply Obama telling America, in a brief moment of honesty, what he really believed about the individual, and their relationship to the state.
“You did not build that business” revealed the antipathy that the president harbors for the individual, especially successful ones. No one is bigger than the state, and hence all that an individual achieves, the government has some claim to- whether it is your wealth, your intellectual property, or you.
Why would President Obama tell the American people lies about doctors, such as “...doctors would rather take out tonsils than treat a sore throat because it pays better” or “… doctors would rather cut off legs for $50,000 than take care of a diabetic before it got to this point”?
It is because he believes that doctors owe fealty to the government for what they have accomplished. Everyone has claim to their success. People need to see them for what they really are- rich, money driven mercenaries. He also needs to denigrate them in order for his agenda to succeed.
“Listen up”, he was saying to doctors. You did not achieve straight A’s in college, working into the late night and on weekends, while your roommates were out partying. Those grades could not have happened without the schools, paid for in part with Federal aid.
You did not graduate from medical school, putting in thousands more hours of studying and hard work. The government subsidized part of the school; your degree belongs to us all.
You did not complete your surgical residency, devoting tens of thousands of hours over 6-9 years, learning your craft and honing your skills, sacrificing your personal life in doing so. No, the government was right there, sending money to the hospitals where you learned how to become a surgeon. You could not have done this without Uncle Sam.
You did not succeed in your medical practice, working on average 60-80 hours every week, missing children’s birthday parties, anniversaries, soccer games and school plays. You did not pay exorbitant malpractice insurance rates to protect yourself from those who wish to prey on your ill-gotten gains.
You did not perform that life-saving cancer operation. The government was there every step of the way and made it possible for that to have happened. Why, the very road that you traveled to get to the hospital that day was built by all of the taxpayers.
And that gang banger that you treated in the emergency room for free in the middle of the night, which the government forced you to see, thanks to the EMTALA law, was something that they felt entitled to take from you- your time and skill- because they own a piece of you.
Herein is the essence of President Obama’s ideology. It is one that not only diminishes personal achievement, but goes on to claim that the fruits that are borne out of the toil leading to that achievement are to be shared with the state and hence everyone.
Obamacare is rooted in this philosophy. The doctors who are being counted upon to care for patients are merely footnotes in this massive new bureaucracy. The healthcare system is being turned upside down with the federal government in charge of deciding who gets what kind of care, by whom, where and how much they will pay for it. Those who engineered Obamacare believe that they can do this because they feel that they own a piece of every doctor in America and that the government has a right to this work.
It becomes easier to do this by convincing Americans that healthcare is an entitlement, and consequently, someone has to provide that care for them. It becomes easier for people to feel that sense of entitlement, if they believe that their doctors are not the compassionate individuals that they thought they were, but rather, greedy opportunists like the President has depicted them.
On the current path, the worst is yet to come. Doctors are quitting in anticipation of government controlling their practices. Doctor shortages are here, but will soon reach epic proportions. Covert rationing of care is coming because there will not be enough doctors to see patients.
There is still time to change course, but the window of opportunity is quickly closing. November 6 will be a referendum on what kind of America we want to have- one where personal achievement is valued, or one where everyone lays claim to those achievements.
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Obama Says: Doctor, You Did Not Graduate From Medical School
Townhall.com ^ | August 18, 2012 | Hal Scherz
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:08:23
“You did not build that business” revealed the antipathy that the president harbors for the individual, especially successful ones. No one is bigger than the state, and hence all that an individual achieves, the government has some claim to- whether it is your wealth, your intellectual property, or you.
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The healthcare system is being turned upside down with the federal government in charge...
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
It is sad that there are still such uninformed people out there. I mean, Hal Scherz actually wrote this article without reading/listening Obama's speech. Moreover, Hal forgot to mention Romney's name as he agrees with Obama on this issue. Hal also forgot to mention Romneycare and how Romney wanted to nationalize it. Lots of ignorance in this article. Nonetheless, thanks for posting because now we can add Hal Scherz to the uninformed writer list.
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Obama Says: Doctor, You Did Not Graduate From Medical School
Townhall.com ^ | August 18, 2012 | Hal Scherz
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:08:23
The reason that President Obama uses teleprompters, even when addressing elementary school children, is because he cannot help but reveal who he is and what he believes during moments that involve real spontaneity. He no doubt wishes that he had gotten a “mulligan” for that line that he inadvertently delivered: “you did not build that business”, but it says so much about the man, his agenda, and why he feels the moral superiority to enact it.
Some dismissed the comment, while others called it a Freudian slip. But devotees of Freud maintain that a “slip” is actually caused by an unconscious or repressed wish, feeling or train of thought.
Poker players I know call it a “tell”. I believe it was simply Obama telling America, in a brief moment of honesty, what he really believed about the individual, and their relationship to the state.
“You did not build that business” revealed the antipathy that the president harbors for the individual, especially successful ones. No one is bigger than the state, and hence all that an individual achieves, the government has some claim to- whether it is your wealth, your intellectual property, or you.
Why would President Obama tell the American people lies about doctors, such as “...doctors would rather take out tonsils than treat a sore throat because it pays better” or “… doctors would rather cut off legs for $50,000 than take care of a diabetic before it got to this point”?
It is because he believes that doctors owe fealty to the government for what they have accomplished. Everyone has claim to their success. People need to see them for what they really are- rich, money driven mercenaries. He also needs to denigrate them in order for his agenda to succeed.
“Listen up”, he was saying to doctors. You did not achieve straight A’s in college, working into the late night and on weekends, while your roommates were out partying. Those grades could not have happened without the schools, paid for in part with Federal aid.
You did not graduate from medical school, putting in thousands more hours of studying and hard work. The government subsidized part of the school; your degree belongs to us all.
You did not complete your surgical residency, devoting tens of thousands of hours over 6-9 years, learning your craft and honing your skills, sacrificing your personal life in doing so. No, the government was right there, sending money to the hospitals where you learned how to become a surgeon. You could not have done this without Uncle Sam.
You did not succeed in your medical practice, working on average 60-80 hours every week, missing children’s birthday parties, anniversaries, soccer games and school plays. You did not pay exorbitant malpractice insurance rates to protect yourself from those who wish to prey on your ill-gotten gains.
You did not perform that life-saving cancer operation. The government was there every step of the way and made it possible for that to have happened. Why, the very road that you traveled to get to the hospital that day was built by all of the taxpayers.
And that gang banger that you treated in the emergency room for free in the middle of the night, which the government forced you to see, thanks to the EMTALA law, was something that they felt entitled to take from you- your time and skill- because they own a piece of you.
Herein is the essence of President Obama’s ideology. It is one that not only diminishes personal achievement, but goes on to claim that the fruits that are borne out of the toil leading to that achievement are to be shared with the state and hence everyone.
Obamacare is rooted in this philosophy. The doctors who are being counted upon to care for patients are merely footnotes in this massive new bureaucracy. The healthcare system is being turned upside down with the federal government in charge of deciding who gets what kind of care, by whom, where and how much they will pay for it. Those who engineered Obamacare believe that they can do this because they feel that they own a piece of every doctor in America and that the government has a right to this work.
It becomes easier to do this by convincing Americans that healthcare is an entitlement, and consequently, someone has to provide that care for them. It becomes easier for people to feel that sense of entitlement, if they believe that their doctors are not the compassionate individuals that they thought they were, but rather, greedy opportunists like the President has depicted them.
On the current path, the worst is yet to come. Doctors are quitting in anticipation of government controlling their practices. Doctor shortages are here, but will soon reach epic proportions. Covert rationing of care is coming because there will not be enough doctors to see patients.
There is still time to change course, but the window of opportunity is quickly closing. November 6 will be a referendum on what kind of America we want to have- one where personal achievement is valued, or one where everyone lays claim to those achievements.
Why is this guy making up quotes?
when did Obama say "you did not build that business"?
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'WE DID BUILD IT': SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TAUNTS OBAMA MOTORCADE
Breitbart ^ | August 18,2012 | by LARRY O'CONNOR
Posted on August 18, 2012 10:22:59 PM EDT by Hojczyk
On a beautiful August day when most people are enjoying the weather and leisure time, self-made man Al Letizio organized a protest against the President of the United States.
This New Hampshire businessman set up signage outside his business to let Mr. Obama know that in America, the free market still works and small businessmen aren't obligated to grovel on bended knee to thank the federal government for allowing them to exist.
Al Letizio owns a small food service business that just happens to be situated along President Obama’s motorcade route to his rally in New Hampshire today. Mr. Letizio, like so many other small business owners across the country, is annoyed at the President's infamous, off-prompter declaration that business owners in America "didn't build that." In fact, it's quite the opposite. The federal government is funded by people like Mr. Letizio.
Check out these pictures from earlier today as Mr. Letizio hung a “We Did Build It” sign on his storefront as Obama drove by, with Romney supporters cheering him on.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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'WE DID BUILD IT': SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TAUNTS OBAMA MOTORCADE
Breitbart ^ | August 18,2012 | by LARRY O'CONNOR
Posted on August 18, 2012 10:22:59 PM EDT by Hojczyk
On a beautiful August day when most people are enjoying the weather and leisure time, self-made man Al Letizio organized a protest against the President of the United States.
This New Hampshire businessman set up signage outside his business to let Mr. Obama know that in America, the free market still works and small businessmen aren't obligated to grovel on bended knee to thank the federal government for allowing them to exist.
Al Letizio owns a small food service business that just happens to be situated along President Obama’s motorcade route to his rally in New Hampshire today. Mr. Letizio, like so many other small business owners across the country, is annoyed at the President's infamous, off-prompter declaration that business owners in America "didn't build that." In fact, it's quite the opposite. The federal government is funded by people like Mr. Letizio.
Check out these pictures from earlier today as Mr. Letizio hung a “We Did Build It” sign on his storefront as Obama drove by, with Romney supporters cheering him on.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Mr. Letizio should hang a “I'm uninformed” sign on his storefront. Thanks again 333 for finding Larry O'Connor's article, we will add him to the list of uninformed writers.
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Obama Visited This Apple Farm, But The Management Was Not Happy About His 'You Didn't Build That' Comment
Brett LoGiurato|Aug. 20, 2012, 3:32 PM|1,309|25
LONDONDERRY, N.H. — When President Barack Obama made an unannounced stop at a farm market here on Saturday, he likely had no idea how much some of his recent comments have caused quite a stir with its employees and management.
Before a fired-up campaign speech in Windham, N.H., Obama stopped at Mack's Apples, a farm market that specializes in sales of fresh fruit. It was a place Obama visited twice in 2008, holding two campaign rallies on the property.
But lately, the management at Mack's has noticed some of Obama's comments that have been seized by Republicans and caused a fury among some business owners: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
Republicans and the Romney campaign have tried to use the quote as an example of Obama's philosophy that business is dependent upon government. Obama and Democrats have pushed back, saying that the quote, in context, reinforces a fairly standard idea that businesses benefit from government investment in infrastructure.
Mack's Apples management identifies more with the Republican interpretation. Evelyn Keller, the store's manager, told Business Insider later Saturday that the comments have caused some "concern" with the market's employees.
"Personally, I think if we give all the credit to government, we're going to lose sight of encouragement to others who need it to start businesses," Keller said, adding that her uneasiness with the remark stems from her family's experience in Nazi-led Germany.
Keller said the reverberations of Obama's statement have made their way to swing-state New Hampshire, where Obama held a double-dose of campaign events Saturday in an attempt to keep hold of the state's four electoral votes.
So even as the staff was thrilled at Obama's run through the store — he greeted and posed for pictures with the staff and customers and bought apples, peaches and maple syrup — Keller suggested that the comments were on the minds of the staff at Mack's.
It underscores the challenge Obama has created with his "you didn't build that" line. Even in pockets like Mack's, one line has shredded so much of his credibility in a pocket where he found comfortable support in 2008.
"We've been talking about them a lot here. I think people have certainly taken notice," Keller said. "I think... I think there's just a danger when government is involved too much."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-you-didnt-build-that-quote-full-speech-context-macks-apples-2012-8#ixzz247jITogg
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Where did he say "You didn't build that"?
Again?
This thread states "You didn't get their own your own".
That is what he said right?
Where did he say "You didn't build that?"
People are so stupid.... black guy says it... "OOOOHHHH He's a communist."
White guy says it... "YAAAAAAYYYY... He's such a smart capitalist."
You should be ashamed for promoting this nonsense.
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Where did he say "You didn't build that"?
Again?
This thread states "You didn't get their own your own".
That is what he said right?
Where did he say "You didn't build that?"
People are so stupid.... black guy says it... "OOOOHHHH He's a communist."
White guy says it... "YAAAAAAYYYY... He's such a smart capitalist."
You should be ashamed for promoting this nonsense.
Tell me what is out of context
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Where did he say "You didn't build that"?
Again?
This thread states "You didn't get their own your own".
That is what he said right?
Where did he say "You didn't build that?"
People are so stupid.... black guy says it... "OOOOHHHH He's a communist."
White guy says it... "YAAAAAAYYYY... He's such a smart capitalist."
You should be ashamed for promoting this nonsense.
this is the real answer
any smart 8th grader could explain what Obama was talking about but apparently a bunch of adults in this country have no idea
The doctor in the article listed above even changed Obama's words and said this with quotation marks
"you did not build that business"?
Obama never said you didn't build that business.
This thread wouldn't be 27 pages long if it weren't for bottomless stupidity of one particular member
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this is the real answer
any smart 8th grader could explain what Obama was talking about but apparently a bunch of adults in this country have no idea
The doctor in the article listed above even changed Obama's words and said this with quotation marks
"you did not build that business"?
Obama never said you didn't build that business.
This thread wouldn't be 27 pages long if it weren't for bottomless stupidity of one particular member
you want the exact quote?
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Savage nails it again.
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you want the exact quote?
hasn't it already been posted multiple times along with the video too
what good would it do to post it one more time
do you think you'll finally understand it?
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hasn't it already been posted multiple times along with the video too
what good would it do to post it one more time
do you think you'll finally understand it?
I guess so since his comments seem clear on its face from this naked communist maoist zealot.
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I guess so since his comments seem clear on its face from this naked communist maoist zealot.
I went back and read it... Yeah... he did say that... Along with about 20 other sentences.
But why don't you harp on Romney the same way?
You know he said basically the same thing. So why do you let that slide so easily?
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I guess so since his comments seem clear on its face from this naked communist maoist zealot.
333 - I wasn't aware that you built the roads and bridges
which ones did you build and why did you do it when everyone else gets to drive on them?
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333 - I wasn't aware that you built the roads and bridges
which ones did you build and why did you do it when everyone else gets to drive on them?
I did since i piad for them via gas taxes, tolls, surcharges, dmv fees, taxes, etc. .
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I did since i piad for them via gas taxes, tolls, surcharges, dmv fees, taxes, etc. .
I wasn't aware people who lived in the ghetto paid a lot of taxes
can you get busy with the retrofitting and other shit that needs to be done
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I did since i piad for them via gas taxes, tolls, surcharges, dmv fees, taxes, etc. .
You paid for the Eisenhower interstate system back in the 50s?!
How old are you?!
:o
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You paid for the Eisenhower interstate system back in the 50s?!
How old are you?!
:o
he's as old as obama is evil. that's pretty old.
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You paid for the Eisenhower interstate system back in the 50s?!
How old are you?!
:o
at least he's now finally admitted (or finally figured out) what Obama was talking about when he said "you didn't build that"
it only took 27 pages but it's clear he now understands that Obama was not talking about his business
He still hasn't seemed to figured out that without governement guarantees for student loans that no bank would have lent his sorry ass $'s for school and it would have taken him a lot longer (if ever) to become the dumbest lawyer on the planet
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Taxpayers paid for it. You think it was free?
You paid for the Eisenhower interstate system back in the 50s?!
How old are you?!
:o
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at least he's now finally admitted (or finally figured out) what Obama was talking about when he said "you didn't build that"
it only took 27 pages but it's clear he now understands that Obama was not talking about his business
He still hasn't seemed to figured out that without governement guarantees for student loans that no bank would have lent his sorry ass $'s for school and it would have taken him a lot longer (if ever) to become the dumbest lawyer on the planet
Because of course no one ever went to college without government backed loans ::)
I hear the TOTUS got fired over this episode
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Because of course no one ever went to college without government backed loans ::)
I hear the TOTUS got fired over this episode
did I say that?
I'm sure guys like Romney and Ryan didn't need loans
My father made great money but had kids in Brown, UT Austin and Santa Clara simultaneously
I helped pay for my college by selling my motorcyle (before my freshmen year), working after school and summers in high school and during college AND getting student loans
If I had gone to grad school or law school it would have been all financed by student loans
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did I say that?
I'm sure guys like Romney and Ryan didn't need loans
My father made great money but had kids in Brown, UT Austin and Santa Clara simultaneously
I helped pay for my college by selling my motorcyle (before my freshmen year), working after school and summers in high school and during college AND getting student loans
If I had gone to grad school or law school it would have been all financed by student loans
What you should be asking is why does it cost an arm and leg to go to college, it sure as hell didn't used to
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What you should be asking is why does it cost an arm and leg to go to college, it sure as hell didn't used to
Most colleges are just money grabbers... They don't care about education nor do they care about what it takes to get in... They just want to grab cash and go.
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Most colleges are just money grabbers... They don't care about education nor do they care about what it takes to get in... They just want to grab cash and go.
Exactly, to many high paid tenured jag offs.
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What you should be asking is why does it cost an arm and leg to go to college, it sure as hell didn't used to
well I went to a private university and so did my brother
state schools have the same budget/funding issues that I think we've all heard about at least a few times before
I doubt anyone on right wants higher taxes to pay for state sponsored universities
I'm not even sure Repubs like the idea of people going to college
Aren't college graduates more likely to vote Democratic?
Santorum called Obama a snob for wanting people to go to college
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well I went to a private university and so did my brother
state schools have the same budget/funding issues that I think we've all heard about at least a few times before
I doubt anyone on right wants higher taxes to pay for state sponsored universities
I'm not even sure Repubs like the idea of people going to college
Aren't college graduates more likely to vote Democratic?
Santorum called Obama a snob for wanting people to go to college
To each his own, I personally see no reason to get huge debt before you ever get a job
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Decoding Obama - The man who never built anything
Opinion Essay ^ | 8/29/2012 | Bronco_Buster_Fweethyagh!
Posted on August 29, 2012 8:25:50 PM EDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
"... look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own... I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there...[] If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." -President Barack Hussein Obama, July 13, 2012
Barack Obama's argument for higher and higher taxes is based on his fundamental belief that successful people are not successful because of their hard work, their individual talents, or their own achievements. If you have a full understanding of Obama's background, that should be no surprise. Barack Hussein Obama does not believe that you are responsible for your own success, because he is not responsible for his.
Barack Obama was a prolific drug user during high school and college. His own admissions, and those of his closest circle of friends, indicate that it was not an "I didn't inhale" experimentation. Instead, it was a trend setting level of competitive drug use, including at least alcohol, marijuana and cocaine. Obama refuses to unseal his medical or criminal records.
Obama is the bi-racial son of a black radical Kenyan communist and a liberal white woman from a liberal family. He was surrounded by liberals, socialists, communists and radicals throughout his years in education. Fortunately for Obama, being half-black and qualifying as a foreign student opened the doors to affirmative action minority admissions and financial aid that were not available to smarter, harder working individuals. Obama refuses to unseal his college and law school admission applications, or his financial aid records.
Obama was by all accounts a poor student. From Occidental college in Los Angeles, he eventually transferred to Columbia University. Almost none of his college peers have any recollection of him at all. Nor is there any objective evidence of academic achievement or excellence. However, attending Occidental college in 1979, and eventually graduating from Columbia, these were the height of the affirmative action years in the United States. Further, college papers are graded with student names on them. Liberal professors at liberal ivy league universities, grading the papers of the well spoke young half-black Obama would know whose papers they were grading. Was Obama a good student? What was his undergraduate degree? What were his grades? Which classes did he take? We may never know. Obama refuses to unseal his college transcripts.
Obama attended Harvard Law School; one of the most elite, and most liberal, law schools in the nation. The competitiveness of entry into Harvard cannot be overstated. However, affirmative action entries in the 1980's were common, as Harvard related publications and alumni will describe. Obama was by all accounts most likely an affirmative action admission to Harvard. There, instead of grading onto the law review, like many other schools where only the top 10% of students qualify, Obama was given a spot on the elite publication. There, instead of earning the position of President by academic performance, or the quality of openly published and peer-reviewed papers, Obama was voted into the position of President by his largely liberal, elite and white-guilt ridden peers. Did Obama earn the position with his grades? Did Obama earn the position with excellent intelligent legal writing? We may never know. Obama refuses to unseal his law school transcripts or writings.
After law school, Obama moved to Illinois and joined the corrupt Chicago political machine. He never held a private sector job. He never hired or fired anyone. He never earned a paycheck by actually producing, distributing, selling, servicing or managing anything. Supposedly, Barack Obama was admitted to the Illinois State Bar. However, did he actually sit for and take the bar exam? Did he gain admission through a "buddy system" legal externship with an admitted Illinois attorney? Did he pass the bar the first time, did he even take the bar? We may never know. Obama refuses to unseal his Illinois state bar records.
After law school, and after gaining admission to the Illinois state bar, Obama worked as a "community organizer" and claimed to be a "constitutional law professor" at the University of Chicago law school. However, his actual title was "senior lecturer" which is a non-tenured, non peer-reviewed position with no authority, not a full professor. Further, witnesses indicate that what Obama actually "taught" was a predictable class dealing with the jurisprudence of the 14th Amendment, which anyone with legal understanding knows is the liberal's go to amendment when arguing for the rewriting of the Constitution. Obama, once referring to the "so called founding fathers" may or may not have actually taught a full constitutional law course. He may or may not have been an intelligent learned professor. He may or may not have been hired simply because he was a Harvard graduate (even if he barely graduated with substandard grades) and a minority, hired to help fill a racial quota. We may never know. Obama refuses to unseal his records and student reviews from the University of Chicago law school.
As of 2004, Michelle Obama earned $121,000 at the University of Chicago Medical Center as one of many "executive directors." In 2005, she was promoted to Vice President of Community and External Affairs (huh?) and her salary was increased to $316,962. Coincidentally (or not), her husband, Barack Obama, had been elected Senator of Illinois in November of 2004. Did Michelle Obama earn her position and newly tripled salary based on her performance? Or, was this a payoff familiar to those who work in the shadows of the corrupt Chicago political scene? We may never know. Michelle Obama refuses to unseal her employment records at the University of Chicago Medical Center. However, it is undisputed that as a "senior lecturer" (aka constitutional law professor) at the University of Chicago law school, and a "vice president" at the University of Chicago Medical Center, both Barack and Michelle Obama earned their first dollars working for a government entity.
So, when President Obama tells successful people they are not smarter than others, that they are not harder working than others, and that they didn't build their own businesses, you can be sure that he truly believes what he says. Frankly, why wouldn't he? He was clearly not smarter, or harder working than any of his peers. Nor has he ever built any kind of business. He has never even worked in the private sector. Someone who has been coddled his whole life, the poor abandoned boy, the half-black darling, the affirmative action student and teacher...someone like that would rightfully believe that their own success in our country was given to them by other people.
If Obama does not believe that you built your own business, if Obama doesn't believe that you are to be given credit for your own success, then what makes you think he would hesitate to take everything you have and redistribute it as he sees fit?
"... look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own... I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there...[] If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." -President Barack Hussein Obama, July 13, 2012
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Opinion Essay ^ | 8/29/2012 | Bronco_Buster_Fweethyagh!
Posted on August 29, 2012 8:25:50 PM EDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
;D @ "Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh" (not to mention the content lol). Any other gems 333? Maybe an article by horseface_bumpyroad_poo, or Mustang_Douglas_Hauwty?
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;D @ "Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh" (not to mention the content lol). Any other gems 333? Maybe an article by horseface_bumpyroad_poo, or Mustang_Douglas_Hauwty?
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Obama gives props to Jay-Z (Hussein listens to filthy lyrics on his iPod)
Politico ^ | 9/02/12 | CAITLIN MCDEVITT
Posted on September 2, 2012 6:02:15 PM EDT
Obama gives props to Jay-Z
By CAITLIN MCDEVITT | 9/2/12 10:24 AM EDT
**SNIP**
Obama urged the crowd to vote this fall. He also said Jay-Z's story is "what Made In America means" and added that he enjoys listening to the rapper's music on his iPod.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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Obama gives props to Jay-Z (Hussein listens to filthy lyrics on his iPod)
Politico ^ | 9/02/12 | CAITLIN MCDEVITT
Posted on September 2, 2012 6:02:15 PM EDT
Obama gives props to Jay-Z
By CAITLIN MCDEVITT | 9/2/12 10:24 AM EDT
**SNIP**
Obama urged the crowd to vote this fall. He also said Jay-Z's story is "what Made In America means" and added that he enjoys listening to the rapper's music on his iPod.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
I think you meant to use this article in one of your "Obama is black and don't vote for him" threads. Wrong thread 333.
Either that, or you FINALLY understood Obama's message that successful people have help along the way, i.e. Jay-Z. I am putting my money on the former...
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333... im sick of your retarded shit.
Try listening to his speech for once.
Whats most pathetic is the GOP has made a slogan on the "We built this" thing taken out of context.
A pathetic party and a pathetic man indeed
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333... im sick of your retarded shit.
Try listening to his speech for once.
Whats most pathetic is the GOP has made a slogan on the "We built this" thing taken out of context.
A pathetic party and a pathetic man indeed
STFU. Nothing was out of context nothing is being spun.
Your gay Muslim afro communist layabout pofs messia again exposed himself for the thug he is. DEA w it.
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STFU. Nothing was out of context nothing is being spun.
Your gay Muslim afro communist layabout pofs messia again exposed himself for the thug he is. DEA w it.
You are killing me fool.
Go watch the speech imbecil.
Then lets talk.
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You are killing me fool.
Go watch the speech imbecil.
Then lets talk.
I have watched it a million times and obama is a communist ghetto piece of shit who never so much as worked a day in his life.
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I have watched it a million times and obama is a communist ghetto piece of shit who never so much as worked a day in his life.
You should never under estimate the predictability of stupidity
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You should never under estimate the predictability of stupidity
Correct
Remember this bullshit
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Obama only mentioned govt employees.
Romney mentioned a whole host of people inclusing banks and investors.
BIG difference when we are talking about the Layabout in Chief
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Obama only mentioned govt employees.
Romney mentioned a whole host of people inclusing banks and investors.
BIG difference when we are talking about the Layabout in Chief
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He said govt and govt alone.
And he is dead wrong.
Dead wrong again.
Obama stated:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU "the government" 3333?)
So, no 3333....he explicitly stated 3 examples that are NOT the government. Thus, your contention that "He said govt and govt alone," is 100% incorrect.
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Dead wrong again.
Obama stated:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." (Our Founding Fathers)
-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)
-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges" (Are YOU "the government" 3333?)
So, no 3333....he explicitly stated 3 examples that are NOT the government. Thus, your contention that "He said govt and govt alone," is 100% incorrect.
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Just another reminder for you. Here are the people that BOTH candidates stated helped successful people along the way.
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," "government"
"banks," and
"government"
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Just another reminder for you. Here are the people that BOTH candidates stated helped successful people along the way.
Romney said: Obama said:
"your mom and dad," "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher," "teacher"
"the people who provide roads" "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police." "fire service"
"investors," "government"
"banks," and
"government"
GMAFB - obama also listed GOVT investment for a whole host of things as well. The internet, etc etc.
The tone of speech also reveals where obama's sentiments lie vs Romneys'
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GMAFB - obama also listed GOVT investment for a whole host of things as well. The internet, etc etc.
The tone of speech also reveals where obama's sentiments lie vs Romneys'
Just in case you forgot Romney's speech:
Romney said:
“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”
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Yeah 3333 even you have to admit that the last 10 posts on this thread show you getting demolished right now.
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Yeah 3333 even you have to admit that the last 10 posts on this thread show you getting demolished right now.
No, he is cherry picking obama's quotes and avoiding the ones that lead to the stir.
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No, he is cherry picking obama's quotes and avoiding the ones that lead to the stir.
Were are talking about a specifik quote.
You cant be a lawyer you have no idea how to make an argumentations do you?
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No, he is cherry picking obama's quotes and avoiding the ones that lead to the stir.
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Whatever helps you sleep better at night, "counsel."
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Does Obama think the Government created Apple? (Transcript from Debate)
npr ^ | 10/17/2012 | Transcript
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:27:29 AM
Obama:
And when we talk about deficits, if we're adding to our deficit for tax cuts for folks who don't need them and we're cutting investments in research and science that will create the next Apple, create the next new innovation that will sell products around the world, we will lose that race. If we're not training engineers to make sure that they are equipped here in this country, then companies won't come here. Those investments are what's going to help to make sure that we continue to lead this world economy not just next year, but 10 years from now, 50 years from now, a hundred years from now.
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
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Does Obama think the Government created Apple? (Transcript from Debate)
npr ^ | 10/17/2012 | Transcript
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:27:29 AM
Obama:
And when we talk about deficits, if we're adding to our deficit for tax cuts for folks who don't need them and we're cutting investments in research and science that will create the next Apple, create the next new innovation that will sell products around the world, we will lose that race. If we're not training engineers to make sure that they are equipped here in this country, then companies won't come here. Those investments are what's going to help to make sure that we continue to lead this world economy not just next year, but 10 years from now, 50 years from now, a hundred years from now.
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
Where did Apple start? In a garage... by two guys who had a public eduction.
So I'm sure in some way, government did help create Apple.
You really do need to stop this nonsense.
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Where did Apple start? In a garage... by two guys who had a public eduction.
So I'm sure in some way, government did help create Apple.
You really do need to stop this nonsense.
LOL!!!! So if instead they went to private school and started Apple than it would not apply?
Obama again exposed his complete and total ignorance on business and economics.
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this thread is a 26 page monument to to the willful stupidity of 333
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LOL!!!! So if instead they went to private school and started Apple than it would not apply?
Obama again exposed his complete and total ignorance on business and economics.
Actually, yes it would... again... It would be lessened, but it would apply because Apple Computer uses GOVERNMENT funded roads to ship it's products.
So yeah, it would apply either way.
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Actually, yes it would... again... It would be lessened, but it would apply because Apple Computer uses GOVERNMENT funded roads to ship it's products.
So yeah, it would apply either way.
The government does not fund anything without FIRST taxing, borrowing, spending the product and wealth of the private sector and taxpayers.
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The government does not fund anything without FIRST taxing, borrowing, spending the product and wealth of the private sector and taxpayers.
Haven't you said this in previous posts in this thread?
We get it... The whole point behind your "you didn't build that" nonsense is that you had help.
You keep saying the same things, but that doesn't make them any less false.
As a society, we help each other... People succeed or fail often by their own actions and the actions of those around them.
It's not a all me or all you thing.
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Haven't you said this in previous posts in this thread?
We get it... The whole point behind your "you didn't build that" nonsense is that you had help.
You keep saying the same things, but that doesn't make them any less false.
As a society, we help each other... People succeed or fail often by their own actions and the actions of those around them.
It's not a all me or all you thing.
The idea that the govt creates anything to which we should feel some type of indebteness is pure nonsense spewed by leftists and liberals who want us all slaves to the state.
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The idea that the govt creates anything to which we should feel some type of indebteness is pure nonsense spewed by leftists and liberals who want us all slaves to the state.
But the government does create stuff... I am not saying they do everything, but a lot of advancements in science and technology have been because the government funded research and development.
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But the government does create stuff... I am not saying they do everything, but a lot of advancements in science and technology have been because the government funded research and development.
Ok but we are paying for it first via taxes, debt, deficit, etc first.
Its sort of like paying for a service.
If I pay for a plumber to come to the house to clean a drain and pay him for my service - thats' it and it ends there. I'm not indebted to the plumber in any way.
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Ok but we are paying for it first via taxes, debt, deficit, etc first.
Its sort of like paying for a service.
If I pay for a plumber to come to the house to clean a drain and pay him for my service - thats' it and it ends there. I'm not indebted to the plumber in any way.
I don't think I am indebted to anyone, nor they me... however I do realize that my success in life is often due to those around me... Including policies that have been put in place by the government.
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I don't think I am indebted to anyone, nor they me... however I do realize that my success in life is often due to those around me... Including policies that have been put in place by the government.
and 333 went to public schools, got government guaranteed loans for school almost certainly got an government guaranteed loan when he bought that shithole in the ghetto.
He's also dependent on the government court system for his income
other than all that he did everythign on his own
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and 333 went to public schools, got government guaranteed loans for school almost certainly got an government guaranteed loan when he bought that shithole in the ghetto.
He's also dependent on the government court system for his income
other than all that he did everythign on his own
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and 333 went to public schools, got government guaranteed loans for school almost certainly got an government guaranteed loan when he bought that shithole in the ghetto.
He's also dependent on the government court system for his income
other than all that he did everythign on his own
33... is a pathetic idiot
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Ok but we are paying for it first via taxes, debt, deficit, etc first.
Its sort of like paying for a service.
This is taking a loooong time for a lawyer to comprehend. Let's try again. Reread your very first post:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Now, I know you are still probably confused...so let's review our previous discussion:
LOL Who ponied up the resources FIRST to pay for the fire protection.
Answer:
Excellent question 3333. I will use Obama's speech again, to answer this question:
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges." Take a guess who?
I assume this will finally put your imbecilic notion to rest.
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If I pay for a plumber to come to the house to clean a drain and pay him for my service - thats' it and it ends there. I'm not indebted to the plumber in any way.
You're a lawyer and this is your analogy??? Scary. You can pay the plumber with gold bars and guess what 333? He will HELP YOU and YOUR place NOT smell like your assertions in this thread. Oh, and Obama spoke on this issue...as stated in your very first post. Let's revisit that:
Posted on July 15, 2012
Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
You want your "ghetto neighbors" to take their plumbing into their own hands? That would be a hard way to organize fecal matter. To simplify things for you 333: you help the plumber when you pay him and the plumber helps you by making the requisite repairs. I will let Obama drive this point home with the first and last sentence of his final paragraph (interestingly absent from your first post) of his infamous speech:
"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together...You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
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33.... is no lawyer.
He would never pass exam and would be laughed out of court.
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Fixed:
If you are successful in politics because rich crony communists put you there, you didn't get there on your own!
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