I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anmthony IFBB Pro >:(
If this is deleting I will repost it.
I think that is great move Melvin...
Why don't we use this thread and invite ALL THE IFBB PROS to vote for new ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE - as obviously many of us don't want Bob to represent us...
So here it is - I vote AGAINST BOB...
2 VOTES AGAINST and counting... ;)
This is going to be a good thread. Shawn has shown his true self and should not be a credible speaker in the sport. He is looking out for himself only. Bob, it seems that many pros besides Jay, Ronnie and Dexter are the only ones who are happy.if the other guys want to "do better" they should improve their physiques and start winning some shows just like any other sport.
Good job Melvin......These mind games are cruel and assinine.no but i'm sure he gives a mean pedicure.
P.S. Do you know how to build redwood decks?? ???
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anmthony IFBB Pro >:(
Melvin for super mod!
no but i'm sure he gives a mean pedicure.
There is only one super mod.
I think that is great move Melvin...
Why don't we use this thread and invite ALL THE IFBB PROS to vote for new ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE - as obviously many of us don't want Bob to represent us...
So here it is - I vote AGAINST BOB...
2 VOTES AGAINST and counting... ;)
haha you sure are making yourself a lot of ennemies Milos ;D
TIME TO BRING DOWN THE IFBB BULLSHIT !!! :o :o :o
if the other guys want to "do better" they should improve their physiques and start winning some shows just like any other sport.All I am saying is that you have certain guys that are great Bbers and not just bigger than Ronnie and Jay that should be placing higher. Look at Levrone all these years getting screwed while GH guts get rewarded, while at the same time an Olympia lineup now sucks not to mention other BS that comes with the IFBB.
Boobie and Sean in a pickle now....hmmm who is telling the truth...
Melvin & Milos Vs Boobie & Sean
Sean never lies, just ask Melvy he was with Vyotech but left...top 5 Olympian and yet leaves the company...hmmmm...
Sean and his text messaging my bring him down faster than his show...
melvy may complain but he is too busy giving pedicures to be the athlete's rep
I think we would probably have dues for the union. I know for sure that if you are gonna represent that you must do to support the athletes. That means delivering messages that could alter a mind setting after a show not before.
Marvelous
I think we would probably have dues for the union. I know for sure that if you are gonna represent that you must do to support the athletes. That means delivering messages that could alter a mind setting after a show not before.
Marvelous
M.M. against B.S.
LOL
shitcan the current rep first dudes THEN change what you want.
2 votes of no confidence?
I didn't see this coming at all. I'm not going to take a position of course - but it would be nice to hear more athletes chime in with their opinions (whether they are Pro-Bob or pro-New Leadership).
The athletes coming together for their greater good has been Bob's goal all along. If he finds that the majority crave new leadership, then I'm sure he'll be fine that that. After all, it would mean his goal of athletes uniting has occurred and they are ready to grow their position. If they decide to keep Bob, then by all means, it would energize his 2007 bargaining position with the brass.
Interesting developments to say the least. Good luck athletes... unite and decide what's best for your future.
it would energize his 2007 bargaining position with the brass.
hey "marvelous" why didn't you do anything when Craig Titus bitch slapped you in Gold's gym?
2 votes of no confidence?
I didn't see this coming at all. I'm not going to take a position of course - but it would be nice to hear more athletes chime in with their opinions (whether they are Pro-Bob or pro-New Leadership).
The athletes coming together for their greater good has been Bob's goal all along. If he finds that the majority crave new leadership, then I'm sure he'll be fine that that. After all, it would mean his goal of athletes uniting has occurred and they are ready to grow their position. If they decide to keep Bob, then by all means, it would energize his 2007 bargaining position with the brass.
Interesting developments to say the least. Good luck athletes... unite and decide what's best for your future.[/b]
this is what has to happen all IfBB pros will have to have a meeting and dictate the next move.Agreed but you know as well as anyone that it's easier said then done.
Bob you can always join the squad if they give you the boot.
Hi Shawn.
I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions. But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job.
Still, Melvin is quite interesting - hmm.. have any inspirations for a position. See you at the seminar!
I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions. But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job.Bullshit...obviously Melvin and Milos (as well as Lee Priest) don't feel that way. ::)
NICE THREAD I VOT GET RID OF BOBYOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SPELL VOTE FIRST CHUBBY
Bob Chick where are you, and comments? Or is it time to hide?
Bullshit...obviously Melvin and Milos (as well as Lee Priest) don't feel that way
As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.Jack has that position Ronbo.
If they don't feel that way, let them push to become the Athlete's Rep. Don't call bullshit on a discussion... discuss things. As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.
But Bob did a good job. You may not like it, but he does try and I have seen it with meetings for the athletes, talking to the athletes, pushing ammendments at IFBB meetings, and much more. Shawn himself knows how hard it is to be the Athlete's rep.
If they don't feel that way, let them push to become the Athlete's Rep. Don't call bullshit on a discussion... discuss things. As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.
Jack has that position Ronbo.
why are you taking their defense Ron
Shawn should shut the fuck up he has nothing to do with the athletes now
why are you taking their defense Ron
Bob is doing a bad job as he is TOO CLOSE with the IFBB officials to have any credibility
you can't be friend with people you are doing business with
it doesn't work, never has never will
I won't take side, just call out what I see.
Will you please take Milos balls out of your mouth little kid. You have no idea what you are talking about, so just stfu. How about you try to win a teenage show, son. Dont talk when grown folks are talking.I already won a teenage show sunshine :-*
Wow! Great thread!!!
BOB TSHIK PLEEEEZZZ DONT DILLEET THIS THRED IT IZ INTERTEINING!!!!
Chics the man, why all this hate ::)
Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI. So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract. He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle. Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher. At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract. Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar. These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep. IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied. That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.
Marvelous :o
Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI. So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract. He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle. Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher. At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract. Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar. These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep. IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied. That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.intersesting story Melvin :)
Marvelous :o
How did the gym floor feel when Craig knocked you down? Was it dirty?would you like to find out? :-*
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
How did the gym floor feel when Craig knocked you down? Was it dirty?
A real rep could have gotten them at least $10,000 each.
melvin, u always a cool cat in my book. But it sounds like your beef should be with Shawn. In your post you say that shawn was the one who went to silvio and sent him a text before the show. Whats this have to do with the Chick-Man? Bob put up a thread about going to bat for silvio with the guy from wieder. And melvin, why not just call Chick to tell him what time it is. Instead of posting. thats why nothin gets done with all you fools. yall dont know how to handle your biznasss.
Low blow - Craig asked Melvin to participate in something which Melvin didn't feel right in doing, and when it involved girls, way before Melvin was married. At least Melvin kept his cool.
Low blow - Craig asked Melvin to participate in something which Melvin didn't feel right in doing, and when it involved girls, way before Melvin was married. At least Melvin kept his cool.
Keith, cut the crap. I know how hard it was to get this done. Very, very difficult. Kodus to Bob and others for getting it done.
I try to restrain myself and be the best athlete I can be. All that hostility got craig in a lot of trouble unfortunately some times you gotta make a judgement call and walk away. That is what I did ::)
Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI. So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract. He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle. Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher. At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract. Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar. These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep. IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied. That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.
Marvelous :o
1. I hope that's not true
2. Who was Silvio supposed to be with???
I don't think an athlete should have to become "athlete's rep" just because they don't like the way bob's doing it ::) More pros are going to stay quiet, cause they have no intention of becoming athlete's rep...doesn't mean they like what's going on.
Bob's done a great job as AR, IMO, but there's no way to dance around this one, him going up to Silvio before prejudging was of poor taste...it was just flat out wrong, and something needs to be done about it.
lee, jump in anythime!!! whats your opinion on this?
Where the fuck is Lee Priest when you need him ???? I'm curious to see what he's got to say about this whole thing... ;D
Better questions is: Where the fuck are Bob and Shawn? Bob always provides fast and witty remarks to every damn statement on this board that involves the pros or himself, yet as of now, its been hours without Bob...
I too am starting to believe that maybe Bob and Shawn made a huge mistake on this one...
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
i want to know if shawn paid the sales taxes due on the housefull of furniture he sold. if not, he's in trouble.
Melvin-
Amazing how you come to this conclusion when I haven't had a conversation with you about any of the facts...I've posted many facts about this situation on various threads, apparently you haven't read any of them.
First off, I wasn't the one who brought it up to Silvio...and certainly not minutes before he was to go on stage.
When I seen Silvio back stage...he brought it up to ME, as he was very distraught about the situation...and I assured him that I would take care of the situation and to focus on the show...not to worry.
I've had conversation with Robin Chang about the incident as he was ready to dock Silvio a months pay...as this was already addressed by Robin To MILOS and Silvio. Milos was told, by Robin, that taking and posting pictures of Silvio on his website was a clear violation of the exclusive contract Silvio signed and to not do it again. Silvio was instructed that HE would be held accountable for future incidents....
I, acting on Silvio's behalf and with his permission...had a meeting with Robin and was able to avoid any pay deduction or any other repercussions.
Silvio has stated that Milos is NOT his manager and that he talked forhimself and himself only...
I received a call from Silvio this morning from Canada, thanking me for my help in the situation and saying that he would be moving on from Milos' gym as soon as he returns...
If you have a problem with Shawn and his handling of the situation, then take it up with Shawn...I had nothing to do with telling him anything. I came in AFTER he was told...by Shawn or anyone else.
I also have no part in anyting to do with Milos' seminar, or who's attending...I haven't talked with Silvio since he left his message this morning.
Don't let your friendship with Milos affect your judgement...I have no horse in this race, and have no vested interest in Silvio as I don't train him, manage him, or guide him in any way but as the IFBB representative and a friend.
Maybe you should look at all the facts before spouting off accusations which are clearly false, and without bothering to contact me personally....I guarantee you would get an eye opener when you know the REAL story.
I invite you to call me, or PM me on the matter...I'll PM my number to you if you don't have it.
Bob Cicherillo
IFBB Athletes Representative
Who the fucck charges sales tax on a person-to-person sale of something like furniture?
I think that is great move Melvin...
Why don't we use this thread and invite ALL THE IFBB PROS to vote for new ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE - as obviously many of us don't want Bob to represent us...
So here it is - I vote AGAINST BOB...
2 VOTES AGAINST and counting... ;)
If they don't feel that way, let them push to become the Athlete's Rep. Don't call bullshit on a discussion... discuss things. As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.
But Bob did a good job. You may not like it, but he does try and I have seen it with meetings for the athletes, talking to the athletes, pushing ammendments at IFBB meetings, and much more. Shawn himself knows how hard it is to be the Athlete's rep.
So funny how both Bob and Shawn have been called out by one of their own and one of the TOP TIER guys(other than LEE) this time and we have complete silence from both...nothing but crickets churping..... I sense any minute now, Bob will post a reply stating something to the effect- "Melvin knows how to get a hold of me, Melvin knows there is a proper forum for this time of concern, etc,etc,etc...then state some made-up IFBB protocol/statute" then go running to Corporate just like corporate monkey's due.....go running back to the den and tell big brother, people are complianing,etc.....
Or maybe my reply was already posted on page 5......moron.
NO RON THE IFBB MADE THAT CHOICE I SAID I DO NOT WANT TO BE APART WHILE THESE STUPID RULES ARE STILL IN PLACE AND THEY PICK AND CHOOSE WHO TO HOLD TO THEM
Notice how Shawn is always involved. Why? He probably thinks he's helping... ::)
Or maybe my reply was already posted on page 5......moron.
Yeah! >:(
And the delay in posting the reply was because Bob was waiting for Manion to finish writing it, not because Bob's a little slow.
You chose to not follow the rules, sweetcakes....
You chose to not follow the rules, sweetcakes....anyone else who has competed in a rival federation has also been suspended...both before and after you were.
Learn to read...
:-\
The delay in posting is because I've been laying down a hardwood floor since this morning....unlike you, some of us actually have lives.
Keep up the keen observations!
AND AS FOR ALL THE OTHER VIOLATIONS AND RULES BROKEN...CODE OF ETHICS BROKEN....GOOD ANSWER AGAIN BOB....YOU TALK ALOT YET SAY NOTHING......
Laying down a hardwood floor is "having a life"? ::)
Gee, Bob, most people would just call a contractor or handyman to have something like that done.
No...owning a house and having a family is.not as frightening as what the athletes rep has done to the athletes to get revenge for his friend.
I'm skilled at carpentry and construction...why have someone else do it?
I know...the thought of tearing yourself away from the internet for a few hours is frightening, isn't it?
should I have used "moron"?
not as frightening as what the athletes rep has done to the athletes to get revenge for his friend.
And people wonder why the 1990's were the greatest BBing/Fitness era. This time period sucks. Less athlete exposure. DA gets more exposure in mags than great BBers. BBers have bigger GH guts, less conditioning and more synthol than the previous era. A last place finisher in the 1996 Olympia is better than the top 5 in any current show. The judging blows now and rewards the biggest, not best physique. Obviously the IFBB is not looking after the athletes like it should. Guys are killing themselves for nothing and shooting oil for nothing.
"BOB IS A NICE GUY BUT TO CLOSE TO THE IFBB...TO BE SUBJECTIVE"..... I think that says it all... Bob, never met you personally but you come across over the air as a good guy, a good ambassador of bodybuilding which is what the sport needs more of and a fellow guinney...but you do seem like an IFBB puppet more than a Athletes rep. I'm sure behind the scenes you have been what everyone views as a Athletes rep but you know this board and many other's like it....the peanut gallery needs to see that and until we do, people are going to continually point fingers at you as the IFBB corporate puppet.
No...owning a house and having a family is.
I'm skilled at carpentry and construction...why have someone else do it?
I know...the thought of tearing yourself away from the internet for a few hours is frightening, isn't it?
In fairness, Shawn did most of it.
But you're the one who's supposed to be looking out for the athletes, not instantly jumping on te IFBB side. You could have urged Robin to see this for what it was... Shawn using Silvio as a human pinata to settle a personal score with Milos... but instead like any dumb cop you focus on the technical rule violation that from a practical point of view didn't hurt AMI in the least.
the question is why did Bob get involved in the first place?
In fairness, Shawn did most of it.
But you're the one who's supposed to be looking out for the athletes, not instantly jumping on te IFBB side. You could have urged Robin to see this for what it was... Shawn using Silvio as a human pinata to settle a personal score with Milos... but instead like any dumb cop you focus on the technical rule violation that from a practical point of view didn't hurt AMI in the least.
In fairness, Shawn did most of it.
But you're the one who's supposed to be looking out for the athletes, not instantly jumping on te IFBB side. You could have urged Robin to see this for what it was... Shawn using Silvio as a human pinata to settle a personal score with Milos... but instead like any dumb cop you focus on the technical rule violation that from a practical point of view didn't hurt AMI in the least.
the question is why did Bob get involved in the first place?
He's IFBB athletes rep, the conflict is with AMI, not IFBB, Bob has stated that this is not an IFBB issue, so why get involved?
Unless it is to put into Silvios head that Milos caused all this and Sean and Bob will"fix" it. So Bob you personally don't have beef with Milos but Sean does and you didn't need to get involved. In an earlier post you said Silvio left you a message stating he speaks for himself, he didn't need the IFBB athletes rep.
Bob can be forgiven for making typing mistakes but he does usually make mistakes when posting. So when he doesn't that stands out. Maybe he takes more care for official posts or he gets someone to edit them. He still has not been elected to his position and it really is all too convenient and now others are coming out and saying something stinks.
sometimes i have my daughter in one hand and type with one hand...as i'm doing right now.
Bob, Have you ever used a framing square to set the rise and run on a stair stringer.???I thought your wife told you to get off the internet and start building that damn redwood deck >:( >:( :-*
P.S. the deck is redwood and very expensive. "Texasblubber" will fund the $18,000 so you know the moneys good.
P.S.S. Your pay will be deducted for any mess-ups on the redwood...its expensive.
I thought your wife told you to get off the internet and start building that damn redwood deck >:( >:( :-*
I did. I set the framing for the built in seats...and came back in. ;D She did this ::) No nookie for me tonite. :'(
hey "marvelous" why didn't you do anything when Craig Titus bitch slapped you in Gold's gym?
w-h
u shoulda seen my 1st set of stairs...jesus, they turned out fucked-up. now i can do fifty feet up ...4 flights of stairs fast
hey "marvelous" why didn't you do anything when Craig Titus bitch slapped you in Gold's gym?
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
How would they form a union when there is no regular pay to deduct union fees from?
Simply.... MARRRRRVEEELOUSIOUS!
Im a unionist myself. Part of the Maritime Union of Australia, one of the staunchiest unions.
Our union is having a re-election at the moment. ONLY the union memebers, NOT the company choose the representitaves for each state and so on.
I dont know how your union works, but I recommend it be structured in a way that the athletes choose the candidates, and the IFBB should have entirely no say in who is chosen. Also, implement a re-election every couple of years so people like Bob can be booted out of that position.
www.mua.org.au
If anyone thinks they can do a better job, then I suggest they run for the position when it comes up for vote...at the Olympia. Come one, come all..
The delay in posting is because I've been laying down a hardwood floor since this morning. I'm skilled at carpentry and construction
Bob, you do have a vested interest in Silvio, revenge on Milos for your best friend Sean
sometimes i have my daughter in one hand and type with one hand...as i'm doing right now.
And ONLY IFBB athletes had a vote in electing Shawn. Shawn stepped down and I was named as his replacement as the job was posted, and there were no other takers.
And ONLY IFBB athletes had a vote in electing Shawn.Do you feel as though you should be in this position
Shawn stepped down and I was named as his replacement as the job was posted, and there were no other takers.
If anyone thinks they can do a better job, then I suggest they run for the position when it comes up for vote...at the Olympia. Come one, come all..
Im a unionist myself. Part of the Maritime Union of Australia, one of the staunchiest unions.man do you guys still exist? wonders never cease I guess...
Our union is having a re-election at the moment. ONLY the union memebers, NOT the company choose the representitaves for each state and so on.
I dont know how your union works, but I recommend it be structured in a way that the athletes choose the candidates, and the IFBB should have entirely no say in who is chosen. Also, implement a re-election every couple of years so people like Bob can be booted out of that position.
www.mua.org.au
The same reason why you wouldn't do anything. I tried to get Titus in bed once and he wouldn't even slap me! So the misfortune of one, can translate as the desire of another.
Ron, why would Silvio be afraid ???
But Silvio should go to the seminar, and not be afraid, as Milos did do a lot for him. Whether or not he was his manager is one thing - Milos says he was, Silvio says he wasnt. A lot of questions that Silvio needs to explain to Milos, and so on.
Ron, why would Silvio be afraid ???
Melvin-
Amazing how you come to this conclusion when I haven't had a conversation with you about any of the facts...I've posted many facts about this situation on various threads, apparently you haven't read any of them.
First off, I wasn't the one who brought it up to Silvio...and certainly not minutes before he was to go on stage.
When I seen Silvio back stage...he brought it up to ME, as he was very distraught about the situation...and I assured him that I would take care of the situation and to focus on the show...not to worry.
I've had conversation with Robin Chang about the incident as he was ready to dock Silvio a months pay...as this was already addressed by Robin To MILOS and Silvio. Milos was told, by Robin, that taking and posting pictures of Silvio on his website was a clear violation of the exclusive contract Silvio signed and to not do it again. Silvio was instructed that HE would be held accountable for future incidents....
I, acting on Silvio's behalf and with his permission...had a meeting with Robin and was able to avoid any pay deduction or any other repercussions.
Silvio has stated that Milos is NOT his manager and that he talked forhimself and himself only...
I received a call from Silvio this morning from Canada, thanking me for my help in the situation and saying that he would be moving on from Milos' gym as soon as he returns...
If you have a problem with Shawn and his handling of the situation, then take it up with Shawn...I had nothing to do with telling him anything. I came in AFTER he was told...by Shawn or anyone else.
I also have no part in anyting to do with Milos' seminar, or who's attending...I haven't talked with Silvio since he left his message this morning.
Don't let your friendship with Milos affect your judgement...I have no horse in this race, and have no vested interest in Silvio as I don't train him, manage him, or guide him in any way but as the IFBB representative and a friend.
Maybe you should look at all the facts before spouting off accusations which are clearly false, and without bothering to contact me personally....I guarantee you would get an eye opener when you know the REAL story.
I invite you to call me, or PM me on the matter...I'll PM my number to you if you don't have it.
Bob Cicherillo
Iraqi Minister of Information
What the flotsam here can't comprehend is why anyone would volunteer for a position that only a masochist would take!
Fixed!!
Melvin-Well I guess that clears that up..
Amazing how you come to this conclusion when I haven't had a conversation with you about any of the facts...I've posted many facts about this situation on various threads, apparently you haven't read any of them.
First off, I wasn't the one who brought it up to Silvio...and certainly not minutes before he was to go on stage.
When I seen Silvio back stage...he brought it up to ME, as he was very distraught about the situation...and I assured him that I would take care of the situation and to focus on the show...not to worry.
I've had conversation with Robin Chang about the incident as he was ready to dock Silvio a months pay...as this was already addressed by Robin To MILOS and Silvio. Milos was told, by Robin, that taking and posting pictures of Silvio on his website was a clear violation of the exclusive contract Silvio signed and to not do it again. Silvio was instructed that HE would be held accountable for future incidents....
I, acting on Silvio's behalf and with his permission...had a meeting with Robin and was able to avoid any pay deduction or any other repercussions.
Silvio has stated that Milos is NOT his manager and that he talked forhimself and himself only...
I received a call from Silvio this morning from Canada, thanking me for my help in the situation and saying that he would be moving on from Milos' gym as soon as he returns...
If you have a problem with Shawn and his handling of the situation, then take it up with Shawn...I had nothing to do with telling him anything. I came in AFTER he was told...by Shawn or anyone else.
I also have no part in anyting to do with Milos' seminar, or who's attending...I haven't talked with Silvio since he left his message this morning.
Don't let your friendship with Milos affect your judgement...I have no horse in this race, and have no vested interest in Silvio as I don't train him, manage him, or guide him in any way but as the IFBB representative and a friend.
Maybe you should look at all the facts before spouting off accusations which are clearly false, and without bothering to contact me personally....I guarantee you would get an eye opener when you know the REAL story.
I invite you to call me, or PM me on the matter...I'll PM my number to you if you don't have it.
Bob Cicherillo
IFBB Athletes Representative
Melvin-
Amazing how you come to this conclusion when I haven't had a conversation with you about any of the facts...I've posted many facts about this situation on various threads, apparently you haven't read any of them.
First off, I wasn't the one who brought it up to Silvio...and certainly not minutes before he was to go on stage.
When I seen Silvio back stage...he brought it up to ME, as he was very distraught about the situation...and I assured him that I would take care of the situation and to focus on the show...not to worry.
I've had conversation with Robin Chang about the incident as he was ready to dock Silvio a months pay...as this was already addressed by Robin To MILOS and Silvio. Milos was told, by Robin, that taking and posting pictures of Silvio on his website was a clear violation of the exclusive contract Silvio signed and to not do it again. Silvio was instructed that HE would be held accountable for future incidents....
I, acting on Silvio's behalf and with his permission...had a meeting with Robin and was able to avoid any pay deduction or any other repercussions.
Silvio has stated that Milos is NOT his manager and that he talked forhimself and himself only...
I received a call from Silvio this morning from Canada, thanking me for my help in the situation and saying that he would be moving on from Milos' gym as soon as he returns...
If you have a problem with Shawn and his handling of the situation, then take it up with Shawn...I had nothing to do with telling him anything. I came in AFTER he was told...by Shawn or anyone else.
I also have no part in anyting to do with Milos' seminar, or who's attending...I haven't talked with Silvio since he left his message this morning.
Don't let your friendship with Milos affect your judgement...I have no horse in this race, and have no vested interest in Silvio as I don't train him, manage him, or guide him in any way but as the IFBB representative and a friend.
Maybe you should look at all the facts before spouting off accusations which are clearly false, and without bothering to contact me personally....I guarantee you would get an eye opener when you know the REAL story.
I invite you to call me, or PM me on the matter...I'll PM my number to you if you don't have it.
Bob Cicherillo
IFBB Athletes Representative
Melvin, I haven't seen many of you previous posts, but you come across like a very passionate, articulate individual. Good for you standing up for what you believe in. Just be prepared for what may come your way and watch your back around you know who.
It would be interesting for you to spill your guts about how it went down in comparison to Bobs version.
Just be prepared for what may come your way and watch your back around you know who.
No fool, Milos already put himself and the ifbb in bad light. How is your jaw? CT messed you up pretty good ehyou coming to the seminar?
Truth always shows itself. I always watch my back I learned from experience.I believe so, and I don't think we are seeing the truth from certain people on here.
I knew Lord Voldemort was mixed up in this somehow.You're not supposed to say that name out loud. You're in deep shit buddy!!
you coming to the seminar?
I believe so, and I don't think we are seeing the truth from certain people on here.
You're not supposed to say that name out loud. You're in deep shit buddy!!
Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI. So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract. He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle. Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher. At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract. Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar. These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep. IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied. That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.
Marvelous :o
This is an important thread. Why? Because it involves a current top 5 bodybuilder and another who placed high recently. Bob is unelected. Let the IFBB deal with Melvin's complaint. I salute Melvin, Lee, Milos and others who speak out and say what is going on. Somehow the truth will be revealed and the consequences will fall as they will. I enjoyed Melvin's comments at the last Olympia and he seemed to say what others were thinking but too afraid to say anything. In other words, the men mentioned have integrity and that gives them confidence to speak out.
Oh that's a good one!
I'm making a list of all the hollow and meaningless retorts I can get. They'll come in handy when I want to argue like a moron.
Idont have to draw up any conclusions Bob i was at the show and with silvio, dennis j, and dennis wolf all weekend. What you should have done was encourage Silvio to get focused on his show and not worry about what is going on around him till after the show. Further more my friendship with Milos is neither here nor there. You do not speak for me. And as I am going to make a formal complaint to the IFBB. Personal attacks ongoing against any athlete in the IFBB including yourself is unexcused. If you gonna try to be a rep get voted in until then you dont speak for me I got my own mouth. As far as Silvio is concerned let me go record ststing that Milos goes out of his way for people and it is normal to pay him. I myself have paid him 10% of my earnings. You have paid chad I am sure at some point. That is how it goes. If you wanna be Rep positive no matter what! Attacks on Milos or anyone else puts the IFBB in a bad light. I dont like it one bit. Make sure you send me your number to my message board on this site. I have no problem speaking to ya.
Marvelous
I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions. But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job. Still, Melvin is quite interesting - hmm.. have any inspirations for a position. See you at the seminar!
Bob was NEVER CHOSEN BY THE ATHLETES... Nobody voted for him... nobody wanted him... but he got the position as it was supposedly posted on IFBB.COM
Since he became our rep - he has been doing exclusively what HE WANTS or what "he was ordered to want"... Never ONCE he got our votes about ANYTHING. he is counting on sad truth that most of the pros don't care
We did not choose him...and he needs to start INFORMING ALL OF US...
If they don't feel that way, let them push to become the Athlete's Rep. Don't call bullshit on a discussion... discuss things. As for Lee Priest, he would be a great Athlete's rep for the PDI. Let's push Lee to become that, as he has indicated he doesn't want to be a part of the IFBB. It was his choice.
But Bob did a good job. You may not like it, but he does try and I have seen it with meetings for the athletes, talking to the athletes, pushing ammendments at IFBB meetings, and much more. Shawn himself knows how hard it is to be the Athlete's rep.
#1 Bob was NEVER CHOSEN BY THE ATHLETES...Nobody voted for him...nobody wanted him...but he got the position as it was supposedly posted on IFBB.COM and nobody cared to look and somehow Bob did find out that maybe he should check the site and click on the link:
"wanna be IFBB athletes rep" click here... ::)
Since he became our rep - he has been doing exclusively what HE WANTS or what "he was ordered to want"...
Never ONCE he got our votes about ANYTHING...and the only voting he started on board: "vote YES to stop judging the posing round" was easily stopped by my " vote HELL NO to stop judging the posing round"...
I am sure some of you remember - we were going back and forth about this - and along the way Bob showed his true colors...as arrogant and beyond cocky - as he was in "power position" and ready to "rule"...
As he was proudly announcing his victory I asked him for a list of majority of pros - as I collected my list of the pros who would vote against him...
He than changed his whole concept of informing pros about what he is going to do for us - and started "voting" during his well organized ::) athletes meetings where only 5-6 people would show up - and he would easily convince them to vote FOR whatever he wants to change.
So, 5-6 pros who would attend this meetings would count for MAJORITY OF THE IFBB PROS!!!!
This is how he operates...and this is how all the changes occurred so far!
If this is not SCAM I don't know what is....
It's not my fault that Pro's have little interest in what goes on...thats why we had no voice for YEARS. I organized 4 meetings before ANYTHING was changed or presented to the IFBB...the attendance was little to none. Plenty of notice was given, posting of the meeting and times, best time and location possible for as many to attend that wished to....
I passed athletes hanging out in the BAR area that didn't bother to walk a few feet to the meeting room despite knowing of it going on...AGAIN...this was before anything was done.
BTW...where were YOU, Milos? Don't recall you attending...you showed up ONCE and bitched the whole time.
Unfortunately, he is counting on sad truth that most of the pros don't care...and they do not want to be involved - so he takes advantage of this situation and decides for all of us!
You admit that most pro's dont care...you are correct. They don't care and dont attend meetings to voice opinions, give input....so I make decisions as their REP.
Well, I think it's about time to start asking questions.
I would like to see YEARLY REPORT OF ALL CHANGES which occurred during Bob's term...
Great...you can check out the past 3-4 meetings and the minutes posted, they are all available at www.IFBB.com
I would also like to see a list of people (IFBB pros) who agreed with him and voted FOR that particular change.
Dont have one to show you
He needs to be accountable for what he does IN THE NAME OF ALL IFBB PROS.
We did not choose him...and he needs to start INFORMING ALL OF US...
Everyone IS informed as I've posted the minutes from EVERY meeting right here on Getbig for all the world and pro's to see...
so far, still no complaints about making more money, more qualifying spots, the ability to make appearances at non sanctioned shows, free tickets for pro's, choice of tickets for pro's at the Olympia, Group health insurance available to all IFBB pro's, non declaration rule for the women, increased comparisons, guarantee from IFBB to cover purse from promoter, etc, etc...
Still have yet to receive a single complaint (other than you Milos)...no emails, no PM's, no carrier pidgeons, smoke signals, or people coming up to me at the shows....I have received numerous emails thanking me for making a difference and initiating change and helping out many athletes in reguards to contracts, advices, and getting work for just as many...Melvin started this thread - and we can use it to express our opinions.
I hope other pros will get involved.
I hope other pro's will get involved also....as I have for the past 2 years. Still waiting.
Bob did a good job according to who? Bob?
What do you consider a good job Ron?
He NEVER informed majority of the pros about changes and amendments he was asking for.
Those are ALL his personal changes and amendments NEVER APPROVED OR VOTED FOR BY THE ATHLETES.
He used voting at his meetings (where hardly half dozen of pros would show up...if that?) as sufficient support group to make necessary changes...?
I unequivocally claim that MAJORITY of the athletes HAD NO CLUE about any changes or amendments ever even being proposed!
That's a SHAME...and you are calling it "good job"?
Bob is disgrace and literally a TRADER...as he betrayed all of us - using this position to get what HE and not what WE wanted!
And that's a fact!
His "side kick" Shawn impotent enough to do anything by himself - while in position of the rep who was actually chosen by us (my mistake to push numerous pros to vote for him) - stepped down - as even he realized how worthless he was - now finds himself important next to Bob...and all you can here is me and Bob, Bob and me...me and me...
Those two clowns need to step down - IMMEDIATELY.
When Shawn stepped down, there was an informal group that was helping him, or what was somehow called a committee. Bob was one of those members. No one wanted the athlete's rep position. Bob took it. So far, everyone that has complained has not wanted the position, simple as that.
It would be great if pros got involved. It really would. When Bob had his meetings, he prepared a lot of things, but not too many people came. They didnt have time, they didnt want to rock the boat, they didnt care, excuses. Bob means well for the bodybuilders. You don't have to be biased to see that.
Bob does inform, via posts on the web, via emails, etc. Milos, how would you like it to be informed.
Ron, being an athlete rep wouldn't be that difficult. First and foremost one would have to find out what the athletes think and feel about the sport and if any issues are current. People could be reached via mail, email, phone calls and text messages. The rep would have to be given a budget to do the job. If there is a vote required for an issue it would be possible to get a vote via the means mentioned. Clearly, the competitors either are too busy at contests to attend meetings or don't want to get involved one way or other. If Bob is doing his job and counting just a few who show up then that is not going to represent what the pros think or want.
Everytime Bob posts he spells out what his job is and what he can or should do. It is obvious he can't do much. We saw him incapable of representing Lee last year. His excuse? Bob said he can't represent only one person. What a lame excuse. Bob was the prawn in this mess. Lee got suspended and comes to this forum pissed off at the IFBB. Hardly anyone blames Lee. Lee is simply the scapegoat and example of what happens if you go against the IFBB. Bob was totally helpless to do anything except warn Lee about his suspension.
Milos seems to represent a lot of the competitors who train with him or ask for his advice. From what I have read here he would make a far better rep than Bob. Of course, if Milos is suspended then he can't be in the IFBB. This whole sad business is a circus. They need new blood in the IFBB. The new president has either done little or can't do anything. In the meantime, controversy reigns and it is business as usual. When the fans keep getting disappointed who gets the blame? The IFBB.
Titus wanted Melvin to join in an orgy????? and punched him when he said no??? that dude has issues...
You can call me names all you want...If you think it makes a better argument, or makes you appear more intelligent.
i want to know if shawn paid the sales taxes due on the housefull of furniture he sold. if not, he's in trouble.
TRADER - as you are betraying all the pros who have no clue what you are doing for them...I can't stand it any more.................... ..Milos, It is traitor........T R A I T O R ........not trader. Please.
Doing something behind their backs and making decisions for someone WITHOUT INFORMING THEM FIRST is perfect example of a trader/you!
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This is more exciting than Mr. Olympia
IFBB is just like this picture
Get your facts straight....I never said I couldn't represent Lee as an individual. I said, I couldn't put through a proposal based on ONE guy wanting to compete in a rival federation, not one other pro was interested....ZERO...as evidenced by the overwhelming 2 that ended up going at a later time.
Just what did you expect me to do for him? The IFBB knew full well his stance, and Lee never asked for my help anyway.
Stay out of it, you are as clueless as they come.
why does the iffb conduct its business on these gossip boards? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::)hahahah right.very soon we are gonna see jim manion and the weiders post here and discuss about their 'important' decisions
why does the iffb conduct its business on these gossip boards? Huh Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Why are you sticking you fat butt in Vince? Do you think you're a part of the bb-scene or something. Haha.haha. Vince is a pro to he won Mr. Canada 1783
Ouch!
Bob, I admired your brief, concise response and position.
Then you go and start namecalling a collection of anonymous pixels.
:-\
i vote for "who gives a fuck"
You can call me names all you want...If you think it makes a better argument, or makes you appear more intelligent.
I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions. But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job.
Still, Melvin is quite interesting - hmm.. have any inspirations for a position. See you at the seminar!
Bob's done a good job.?!..lol.. like when he used to hang here with KK and call every one buck toothed jackasses and threaten them with violence?That would be great, if someone could/wanted to pay this lawyer, that is.
then there's the professional ethics, and the junior school grammar, and the sub par intelligence, and the blind ability to not question anything about anything.
great job. excellent push for better conditions, better public perception, move towards more of a community accepted pursuit and so on.
i actually like shawn...well, more than Bob that's for sure. But i dont think shawn has the cerebral genes either to do it well. The ones that could do it well wont...wonder why?
it shouldnt have to be a BB either. Get a lawyer to do it- someone professional. Someone who can talk the talk and get results as it seems to me the only real issues for BB's is $..fair enough too.
they dont need a fuckin lawyer they just need a competent business manager.
I think every framers first try is funny as hell. You dont cheat and use a construction calculator do you.???
It's beyond me why this has not been stickied yet.
Silvio Samuel will NOT BE in Attendance and neither will Bob Chick and myself.
Sorry Milos :'(
I have always said that if someone wants to become the IFBB athletes rep, then declare that they want to be, and start collecting the votes. It is easy to talk, but being in that position is a tough position. So far, no IFBB pro men's bodybuilder has wanted to challenge Bob for the positions. But Bob so far has been the one to take responsibility for it, and has done a good job.
Still, Melvin is quite interesting - hmm.. have any inspirations for a position. See you at the seminar!
one man's view can't represent all Pros ,
So IFBB does not need "one" athlete's rep!
IFBB Pro division must hold a meeting for all Pros once or twice a year !
(such as, during the days of Mr.Olympia contest)
hahahah right.very soon we are gonna see jim manion and the weiders post here and discuss about their 'important' decisions
This is more exciting than Mr. Olympia
I VOTE AND STAND WITH MELVIN AND MILOS!
By far.
Of course, WWE learned that lesson ages ago. What's taking bodybuilding this long? ;D
DONT WORRY RON HAS TOLD ME MANY TIMES THEY READ IT...AS HE GETS CALLS TO REMOVE SHIT ALL THE TIME......HEY RON :)
Hahahaha ok "Willie".
I see your point but what else do you want Melvin to do? Send a singing telegram?
Moral panicking again, 240 or Bust? ::)
Who are you to be giving lectures on board behavior?
You after all have posted lots of insulting .gif's and messages to Cicherillo and others over the years.
Like you would say, monster double standard.
-Hedge
Sorry I'm not coming to the seminar. I doubt no more than 10 people will be there.
DONT WORRY RON HAS TOLD ME MANY TIMES THEY READ IT...AS HE GETS CALLS TO REMOVE SHIT ALL THE TIME......HEY RON :)
Horrible grammar; probably better you're not there to infect the seminar with your sunshine.
hi cap86 :-*Hi Bluto :-*
this might not be part of this discussion but i was thinking..Bob is the IFBB's athlete's rep, right? Technically the IFBB and AMI or Wieder are supposed to be 2 seperate entities right? Should Bob have been involved in Silvio's contract status with Wieder to begin with? I understand his job is to represent the Pro's but isn't supposed to be to represent them in matters that involve the IFBB?
This is an honest question.
Hate to say it but Marvelous Melvin is part of the problem. That goes for any of the pros who use these boards to vent their problems. This goes for Bob and milos and Shawn too. Nothing constructive or positive ever comes from it. Melly Mell, you talk shitt about how bob and shawn broke the #1 rule by disrespecting another pro (Milos). But than u come on here and start talkin crap about bob and shawn. Thats why nothin ever gets done. All you fools just keep throwin more wood on your own fire. Mel, your still my boy from the O.C. but i gotta say it how it is. Willie
Hate to say it but Marvelous Melvin is part of the problem. That goes for any of the pros who use these boards to vent their problems. This goes for Bob and milos and Shawn too. Nothing constructive or positive ever comes from it. Melly Mell, you talk shitt about how bob and shawn broke the #1 rule by disrespecting another pro (Milos). But than u come on here and start talkin crap about bob and shawn. Thats why nothin ever gets done. All you fools just keep throwin more wood on your own fire. Mel, your still my boy from the O.C. but i gotta say it how it is. WillieOk, 'west coast willie' ::)
i want to know if shawn paid the sales taxes due on the housefull of furniture he sold. if not, he's in trouble.
he kinda has a point, supposedly you working for 02 and you have problem with your HR department do you go to the next best unofficial Forum and make it all public?
I mean It's nice that these gentlemen see the need to air all their anger publicly and it is entertaining to see them meltdown and argue, but the point is they will solve 2 things here on getbig...Jack and Shit.
furthermore, it's mostly more damaging to rant and rage over official things than to talk it out, boards and writing is very impersonal and if your English is not up to scratch can lead to missunderstandings.
What these gentlemen should have done is to call a meeting in the firehouse and talked about all that has been said.
He never said anything negative. he voiced his opinion and said "he's had enough".
It wasn't a blatant shot at anyone.
Worried he wont have time to get back to you about that pre-order for some olympians soiled trunks? ::)
Moral panicking again, 240 or Bust? ::)
Who are you to be giving lectures on board behavior?
You after all have posted lots of insulting .gif's and messages to Cicherillo and others over the years.
Like you would say, monster double standard.
-Hedge
This is the best post on getbig.com i ever seen! Hope shawn get`s his ass kicked!!
i got no problem wit WHAT melvin said. But anyone who wants to solve a problem should know that this aint the place. Why not man up and pick up a phone first. this goes for all the fellas. not just mel.
I can't stand it any more.................... ..Milos, It is traitor........T R A I T O R ........not trader. Please.
It'll be funny when he deletes it.
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.boo fuckin hoo so what they messed with the poor guy big deal what is he some pansy,he cant take the pressure....shit the things arnold would do to people would make silvio hang himself..........write your letter and pat your bitch silvio on the head and tell him everythings going to be ok :'(
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
boo fuckin hoo so what they messed with the poor guy big deal what is he some pansy,he cant take the pressure....shit the things arnold would do to people would make silvio hang himself..........write your letter and pat your bitch silvio on the head and tell him everythings going to be ok :'(
Where are Marcos' blue stars?
i got no problem wit WHAT melvin said. But anyone who wants to solve a problem should know that this aint the place. Why not man up and pick up a phone first. this goes for all the fellas. not just mel.
Well willie I did man up and talked to Bob and got his stance on the situation. He Only stated to Silvio that he would help solve the issue. Bob has assured me that this bashing crap will be addressed through the proper chanels. I think that people in this sport need to be truthful and not at the expense of being liked by everyone. Sometimes you cannot please everyone. I also think that IFBB athletes need to be protected from attacks by other athletes. We all try to be role models in our own right but I refuse to do it at another athletes demise. This is my last post.
Marevlous
As Melvin stated...we talked this morning and squared away any misunderstandings. He has no problem with me as the rep, as most of his original post had nothing to do with me per se, and he now knows that.
I'm not going to respond to Milos' name calling, or get in the middle of Shawn/ Milos he said crap...they can go at it all day long...
My ONLY involvement in this, was to make sure Silvio (as an IFBB pro) was represented properly and used my position to negotiate with Robin Chang to insure the best possible outcome...
Silvio has his version, Milos his, Shawn his.....the only fact I know FOR SURE, is that Milos was instructed by Robin Chang himself NOT to post pics of a AMI contracted athlete...he decided to anyway. This put Silvios contract in jeopardy. PERIOD.
If this one event never occurs...the rest never takes place. Simple as that.
I have nothing to gain or lose by Silvio training with Milos, paying him for services (which he should if he's going to use them) training at his gym, using him or not using him as a manager, etc, etc....I have no horse in this race.
My only involvement was:
1. to assure Silvio AFTER he was told about the possible infraction, that I would take care of it and not to worry...focus on the show...t's not a problem.
2. To meet with Robin Chang to discuss the situation and come to a resolution.
All the rest is bullshit.
the only fact I know FOR SURE, is that Milos was instructed by Robin Chang himself NOT to post pics of a AMI contracted athlete...he decided to anyway. This put Silvios contract in jeopardy. PERIOD.
well take a guess why he hasn't aired his opinion ::) here yet
I am glad to see this thread unlocked
That's like nulling a musicians contract because their song appeared on Napster. ::)
Why Silvio Bob? Why now? Why not these other bodybuilders? These all have their pictures all over the place:All those have a contract with AMI?
As Melvin stated...we talked this morning and squared away any misunderstandings. He has no problem with me as the rep, as most of his original post had nothing to do with me per se, and he now knows that.
I'm not going to respond to Milos' name calling, or get in the middle of Shawn/ Milos he said crap...they can go at it all day long...
My ONLY involvement in this, was to make sure Silvio (as an IFBB pro) was represented properly and used my position to negotiate with Robin Chang to insure the best possible outcome...
Silvio has his version, Milos his, Shawn his.....the only fact I know FOR SURE, is that Milos was instructed by Robin Chang himself NOT to post pics of a AMI contracted athlete...he decided to anyway. This put Silvios contract in jeopardy. PERIOD.
If this one event never occurs...the rest never takes place. Simple as that.
I have nothing to gain or lose by Silvio training with Milos, paying him for services (which he should if he's going to use them) training at his gym, using him or not using him as a manager, etc, etc....I have no horse in this race.
My only involvement was:
1. to assure Silvio AFTER he was told about the possible infraction, that I would take care of it and not to worry...focus on the show...t's not a problem.
2. To meet with Robin Chang to discuss the situation and come to a resolution.
All the rest is bullshit.
well put Onemorerep!
i wonder if bob will explain that one????...bob, you there bob?...crickets...
and he had so much to say on matters he termed, 'bullshit'. :-[
here's the truth on the matter:
silvio NEVER had anything to worry about until shawn and bob (who, btw, is further up shawn's arse than the 2 shemales shawn's currently dating) did their number on him (or should i say milos) immediately before the prejudging mind you. what a class act by the current and former 'athlete's reps' ::)
just how is anyone responsible for what another person puts on the internet ??? or maybe silvio should start chasing every person that wants to take his photograph and steal their camera just in case they post the photos on the internet. :o
think about it people. this is not difficult.
shawn informs silvio in no uncertain terms that there is nothing he can do, but gives a gentle prod in the direction of the current 'athlete's rep'
shawn delivers the combination to set up the chick delivered ko.
wtf chance did the poor spaniard have when the current and former 'athletes reps' are telling you what time it is?
bob says he has 'no horse in the race'? riiiiiiiiiight...he's been good mates with shawn for years and has been in bed with him on various projects, has a common interest in despising milos, but he has 'no horse in the race'? lmfao ;D
oh, btw, how fickle these pro bbers are? silvio has had everything but his butt wiped for him by milos, marvelous melvyn comes out all grrrrrr and it seems poor milos is hung out to dry once again (who's that pro bber from the mid east who's nuts garraeth can't unattach himself? ;D)
maybe shawn gave melvyn a call, telling him if he didn't repent he'd send chick out to bitch slap him and sleep with his wife.
'where's melvyn bob?'
'oh duh, he's sleepin wit da fishes.'
i'm thinking silvio and melvyn need to go buy a back bone. must be hard getting around when your back's made of jelly. :-\
It is so obvious that what Melvin said at the beginning of this thread is 100% how he felt. Anyone can see that he was threaten by someone to change his tune or else. That is the method the IFBB has been using for years. Everyone knows it. Whether Chic knows it or not it is how it is done. Its sad cause with Melvin helps along with Lee and Milos and probably more to follow things could have changed. I don't blame Melvin for changing his remarks if tht is what happened.
Nothing surprising here. Melvin stands to lose a lot of money if he goes against the IFBB. What an anticlimax. It is business as usual. What everyone does is obey from the top and promise to be good from now on.
Why should only the pros have a voice in what happens re contests, judging and so on? Who made that rule up? The way things are run now there will never be much improvement. Expect more controversy and crap from the IFBB.
LOL...wrong again.
Come on Keith...you're starting to worry me now.
Chic this IFBB thing is going to kill you. You don't need it so get out now when you can. You have a new baby, you're making money, why go through this. All this has done is etched away at your reputation. Put your resignation notice in to Manion and let him do his own dirty work. He is the guy who should be answering questions not you. Enjoy life and have fun. You are driving the short yellow bus with the IFBB. Crash it or give back the keys. Nothing good is coming out of this.
Why? Becaue Milos doesn't like it anyway but his?
Plenty of good has come out of it...more money for athletes, more qualifying spots, health insurance, rule changes, judging changes, a voice in what happens in OUR sport,etc, etc...
bodybuilders have health insurance now ?
Yes, It was set up over a year ago and is available to any and all IFBB pro's...many have taken advantage of it...I know I did, and save $400/ month on the same coverage I had individually.maybe you could work out to be useful after all, if you ditched the leech ;D
Why? Becaue Milos doesn't like it anyway but his?
Plenty of good has come out of it...more money for athletes, more qualifying spots, health insurance, rule changes, judging changes, a voice in what happens in OUR sport,etc, etc...
Bob. I hope you treat your parents and other older people such as Joe and Ben better than you are treating me. Using age as a putdown is really lame. I guess you have run out of rational arguments so are trying to embarrass me. I have nothing to lose in these debates. I am trying to improve bodybuilding and am contributing in many ways, one of which is making posts on the net.
Listen to Keith, he is giving you good advice. You don't need the IFBB rep position. Let the pro athletes elect someone else. Surely you can read between the lines and see what you are achieving here? I guess not. Too bad.
You contribute nothing to the argument except useless comments that have no merit, and no facts behind them. You assume everything and talk as if you have the pulse of the people...whn in reality, you have the pulse of BB 30 years ago at best...
Just how are YOU helping to improve pro BB?
Yes, It was set up over a year ago and is available to any and all IFBB pro's...many have taken advantage of it...I know I did, and save $400/ month on the same coverage I had individually.
Lets ask Melvin if he got his health insurance through the IFBB. What did it cost you Chic, $15 a month or something like that. And beside the Olympia what other shows are giving out more prize money. And like Milos said what voice do they have. Other than the decisions you make solely on your own, how many pros have actually voted in anything.
Here is a hint how to protect yourself from the people who say that nobody comes to your meetings to vote. Send them an email and send the a hard copy of the ballot. In fact send it with their renewal application for their card. As you know, SAG sends out their ballots and we voted and sent them back in. Very Very easy. I know you aren't that stupid to realize how easy it is to communicate with all the IFBB pros. It sure seems easy when the IFBB is asking for their dues each year. Calling meetings that no one attends is a waste. Hopefully after 3 or 4 years you would have figured this out. Ask TexasBlubber, he seems to know allot about everything. Plus he is so rich he can produce a telethon or something to help the IFBB. He is awesome man. I heard Bill Gartes doesn't wipe his ass until TexasBlubbersmells ittells him first.
This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen, how on earth does a group of people who take illegal drugs get someone to insure them? non of the ifbbprosidiots actually think the insurance is going to pay out on anything health wise do they? these companies dont payout
to legitimate claims....let alone someone who is actually cheating them LOL
I must say.....great work if you pulled it off, the company is either AMI/Weider owned or lining thier pockets with your money knowing thier not going to payout on anything.
Melvin may or may not have health Ins. through our group program...I dont know. Either way...is it a bad thing to have for the pro's? No one was ever able to get a program together...I did...and you give me shit for it??
I havent been doing this for 3-4 years...it's been less than 2.
Hey if you truly got a medical plan for the IFBB Pros that is real like Blue Cross or Kaiser or someone like that then I give you props man. I just can't see that. I remember people asking you and you never did give who the provider was. But like I said if you did then that is great. And 2 years is still too long. Get out now when you can. You don't need this aggravation. Plus I would much rather rag on Manion who I truly dislike. I don't ragging on you but I gotta do it.
People get insurance under all kinds of circumstances...obese, smokers, drinkers,elderly, etc. This isn't some rinky dink co.....it's one of the 4 largest Health Ins. companies in the U.S.
It's no different than anyone else...
Not trying to be smart here, but Bob, none of what you have stated are illegal (ie.obese, smokers, drinkers,elderly).
MOST doctors mentality contribute anything and everything to steroid use, I cant see any payouts...as I said well done if it works.
True...but they don't test you for AAS. You fill out the info...take a physical, and you're good to go. The biggest obstacle was the bodyweight, as according to the charts...someone like me is technically obese! They pay out...as they should.HAHAHAHA what's up FATSO!! :-*
Bob. I hope you treat your parents and other older people such as Joe and Ben better than you are treating me. Using age as a putdown is really lame. I guess you have run out of rational arguments so are trying to embarrass me. I have nothing to lose in these debates. I am trying to improve bodybuilding and am contributing in many ways, one of which is making posts on the net.
Listen to Keith, he is giving you good advice. You don't need the IFBB rep position. Let the pro athletes elect someone else. Surely you can read between the lines and see what you are achieving here? I guess not. Too bad.
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:well aren't we all loddy doddy ::)
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied.
Marvelous :o
It is so obvious that what Melvin said at the beginning of this thread is 100% how he felt. Anyone can see that he was threaten by someone to change his tune or else. That is the method the IFBB has been using for years.
I guarantee you would get an eye opener when you know the REAL story.
Bob Cicherillo
IFBB Athletes Representative
The truth shall set you free - but can you handle the truth, the real truth, and not be biased.
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
Apply a little common sense here. To most normal people, this contract means he can't shoot with MD or Musclemag or Ironman... you know, AMI's competitors? I certainly wouldn't take it to mean he has to forbid a friend from taking a couple on non-commercial snaps with his personal camera. ::)
The AMI apologists can parse the "letter of the contract" all day long, when everyone knows it was never meant to apply to this, and certainly hasn't meant this in the past or with other athletes. This is all about applying the "rules" differently to settle personal scores.
You contribute nothing to the argument except useless comments that have no merit, and no facts behind them. You assume everything and talk as if you have the pulse of the people...whn in reality, you have the pulse of BB 30 years ago at best...
Just how are YOU helping to improve pro BB?
No it's not...It's about upholding a contractual obligation.
Milos was warned ONCE, prior to this....Taking pictures for the sole, expressed purpose of putting them on his (Milos') website is indeed a breach of contract...especially when some of these pics were taken over the shoulder of Chris Lund, who's JOB it is to take pics for Flex magazine...If the same shots are seen online, what the hell good is the magazine, or the contract for that matter?
Milos knew this...and STILL decided to take pics...tell Silvio they were for himself and that he would not post them...and preceeded to post them anyway, knowingly putting Silvios contract at risk.
No it's not...It's about upholding a contractual obligation.
Well, Bob, thanks to your employer frickin' video of the event went out worldwide live. So what the hell good is the magazine? Not much good at all. If AMI is concerned that they are being made obselete, I think they should have bigger problems than Milos' fan site. ::)
Have you ever answered Garraeth's question about all the other AMI-contracted athletes who have shit out all over the web, to whom "boo" has not been said?
That, my friend, is bullshit and you know it.
Milos doesn't like to be told what to do and has a problem with authority (if you haven't seen that by now...) He did this purpously to spite Robin Chang/ AMI...It was a selfish thing to do.
So this is really all about Milos, and the "powers that be" settling a score. (which has been our point from the beginning)
Poor Silvio was used as a human ping-pong ball because Milos was on the "bad" list.
Of course, had he been working with a trainer AMI likes, they'd have no problem whastoever with a few snaps on a non-commercial website, which is a double standard and total bullshit.
Anyone under contract has the same rules to follow...pictures taken BEFORE they signed a contract aren't a concern. If a contracted athlete knowingly does a photo shoot, interview without consent of AMI...then they would be given the same response...and it has happened as I know personally, warnings have been issued to a handful of athletes...most know better.
Chic this is a rule that you need to get thrown out. This is one of the most blatant attempts to monopolize I have ever seen. They are ruining the lives of the people you say you represent. Imagine this, Tennis Illustrated not letting any tennis players pictures appear in Sport Illustrated or Sport or other mag. Imagine any athlete or actor or celebrity being restricted to what publications they can appear in. My god how can this happen. I get more and more pissed when I read shit like this. I can't see why anyone would allow people like this to control their lives. How about the internet. Everyones pics are on there. Again, proof the IFBB sucks as does all their executives. You really need to fix this Chic. I just hope you see where it is hurting the same people you say you represent.
The sad part is, you cave-in to authority no matter if it is wrong. There is no way in the world you agree with the way the IFBB controls your life and the others. I just can't see it. What I admire about Milos and Lee is that they stand there saying what they feel and they stand behind it 100% even if it means losing money. That is exactly how I am. I have lost so much money its ridiculous and my friends always tell me how stupid I have been. But, if I believe in something or I think something is being done wrong I will do what I can to change it no matter what happens. I have lost very big jobs and very big deals because I just can't do something I don't believe in. I can't. It is easy for me to make money. I have done it for allot of years. There are times when I have allot of money and times I have hardly any money. But I always find a way to get back on my feet.
I'd rather struggle financially than have to sacrifice my integrity like Chic does and others in the IFBB. The problem is 99% of the pros make their ONLY income from BB. That is where they went wrong. They have nothing to fall back on. So they have to kiss ass and do what they are told or they make no money. Lee has things to fall back on and so does Milos. That gives the the freedom to say what they want and stand behind it. That is a luxury that not many others have in the IFBB.
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
Really? How many times has Milos posted pictures of other bodybuilders who had contracts and nothing was said?
The sad part is, you cave-in to authority no matter if it is wrong. There is no way in the world you agree with the way the IFBB controls your life and the others. I just can't see it. What I admire about Milos and Lee is that they stand there saying what they feel and they stand behind it 100% even if it means losing money. That is exactly how I am. I have lost so much money its ridiculous and my friends always tell me how stupid I have been. But, if I believe in something or I think something is being done wrong I will do what I can to change it no matter what happens. I have lost very big jobs and very big deals because I just can't do something I don't believe in. I can't. It is easy for me to make money. I have done it for allot of years. There are times when I have allot of money and times I have hardly any money. But I always find a way to get back on my feet.
I'd rather struggle financially than have to sacrifice my integrity like Chic does and others in the IFBB. The problem is 99% of the pros make their ONLY income from BB. That is where they went wrong. They have nothing to fall back on. So they have to kiss ass and do what they are told or they make no money. Lee has things to fall back on and so does Milos. That gives the the freedom to say what they want and stand behind it. That is a luxury that not many others have in the IFBB.
That's not really the point...point is, the company paying the athlete is paying for EXCLUSIVITY..just like Blechman does, Musclemag, supplement companies, etc...
If Milos had Silvios best interest in mind...this never takes place.
Milos doesn't like to be told what to do and has a problem with authority (if you haven't seen that by now...) He did this purposely to spite Robin Chang/ AMI...It was a selfish thing to do.
Here is a short video for you: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEOnRRUNrr0
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
Anyone under contract has the same rules to follow...pictures taken BEFORE they signed a contract aren't a concern. If a contracted athlete knowingly does a photo shoot, interview without consent of AMI...then they would be given the same response...and it has happened as I know personally, warnings have been issued to a handful of athletes...most know better.
About photos and who owns them. Suppose a photographer comes to Koloseum Gym to do a photo shoot with a pro BB. If I am there and have permission from Milos to take photos then I can take whatever photos I like and post them on the internet, etc. Unless the photographer insists that the gym be closed then others who are there, including Milos, can take any photos they like and do what they like with the images. Of course, I would respect the photographer and bodybuilder but I could still take images of them.
If a bodybuilder is in a public place or giving a public performance then the photographer can take and sell or show any photos that he took. Trust the IFBB and their pro rep to see things differently. Bob is there arguing once again for the rights of companies. What a lackey.
Have a look on photography sites like dpreview to see about rights, etc.
1) YES, I am challenging Bob for this position...
2) Whatever Bob has accomplished is certainly NOT better than NOTHING...
Changes are steps back and not foreword thus his accomplishment is NEGATIVE...(ZERO is certainly better than MINUS ;))
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:well said.
(1) Most Pro bodybuilders are lazy. They complain about Bob, but they have no desire to do anything about it. I still haven't seen one other pro come forward and say they want to be the athlete's rep. After all of this complaining, I should hope to see MILOS challenging Bob at the next election. The truth is BOB is the best athletes rep out there because there is no one else. Whatever he's accomplished it better than what anyone else has-- which is NOTHING!
(2) Silvio has an exclusive contract with AMI/WEIDER that forbids him to shoot with anyone else except them. He gets paid well to adhere to this contract. He willingly signed this contract; therefore, if he can't follow the rules, he should be subject to penalties. No one forced him to sign the contract, and I'm certain tha MILOS didn't put a gun to his head to make him take the unauthorized photos. I have no sympathy for ignorance.
well said.
Hey, Bob, i guess one of the 2 things happens to you: or you only see what you want and fit your/IFBB/AMI interests, or you are a moron.
Did you notice that I, along others, posted some pages back that ALOT OF STABLISHED PROS, WELL INTO THE FRUITION OF THEIR CONTRACTS WITH WEIDER/AMI HAVE THEIR TRAINING PICS SPREAD ALL OVER MILOS' SITE AND A LOT OTHERS????
Gee, man, I mentioned that in 2004, weeks prior to the Mr. Olympia, Ronnie was training at Koloseum gym, doing a leg session with Milos, and their pics of that awesome training session were ALL OVER MILOS' BOARDS??
HOW COME NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO RONNIE BECAUSE OF THIS, IF HE HAS BEEN ON CONTRACT 'WELL BEFORE 2004' WITH 'TEAM WEIDER/AMI'?????????
What part you didn't get it, yet? Lemme know if I can help you understand.....
Bob, Bob, Bob...If Milos didn't have Silvio's best interest in mind - he would send him home the same day he arrived to Fullerton with no place to go and no plans...
If Milos had his best interest in mind, he never would have posted pics, deapite being told not to...
I don't remember Silvio mentioning the options that he could maybe go to Shawn's or Bob's place for a while...
Where were you two when he really needed the help?
I didn't really know him...Shawn helped him to find an apt. insteadof paying ridiculous amount of money on ahotel...and GAVE him furniture for it.
I made MANY things possible for him since he came but I don't need to mention it...I don't need to "feel important" as I have helped someone JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO...
Since the moment he arrived I only had the very BEST INTEREST for Silvio and my actions speak louder than any words...
PLEASE...you "wanted to" because you saw the money on the horizon...much like the College recruiter that wines and dines, buys gifts, takes the guys out on the town, etc.....why? because they want to be their "friend"? No, because they want to lure them to their college and get a % of the contract...you're no different. This is why you wanted your name on the contract, and also explains why you were looking for 20% of whatever he made...nice friend.
This "little incident" with his photo appearing on my site HOURS before the prejudging would be unnoticed if it wasn't for TRUE FREIND Shawn who only wanted to make sure that Robin finds out about posted photo - so Silvio could get in trouble...and I could be "painted" as the bad guy...who wants Silvio to get in trouble and loose contract - exactly the opposite of what I was trying to do since he came to US!?
THATS your defense?? That you hoped it went unnoticed? How about DONT POST THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE....Was it THAT important to you? Shawn didn't take or ost the pics....YOU DID.
I was supporting Silvio in many ways and he had my personall promise that I would NOT LET HIM fail...suffer...or be unsuccessful in any way...
I mentioned on my board something that bothered me a great deal and that is - how you and Shawn handled this whole situation and disturbed Silvio (a competitor) just minutes before the competition...
There is no "Shawn and I"...once again...I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. I WASNT THE ONE TO BRING IT UP TO HIM...I ONLY ASURED SILVIO THAT IT WASN'T A PROBLEM AND I OWULD TAKE CARE OF IT FOR HIM.
Off course - I took what I've heard from Silvio as certain truth (he said you approached him back stage and told him "something"...) just to find out from you that indeed what he claimed NEVER happened...and instead it was quite the opposite...
That doesn't matter right now (the truth will find the way to surface it sooner or later...)...what matters is that you are presenting me as the
"trouble maker" and someone who doesn't listen to "authorities"...
And you are...and you dont. This whole thing could have been avoided if only you did listen to authority...you did this IN SPITE of what Robin told you...just a big "fuck you" to Robin Changas "no one tells Milos what to do..." NO ONE!!
Did you actually think AT ALL about ridiculousness of the situation?
Yes...and I'm still amazed that you thought it was more important to your ego, than to look out for a guy you were allegedly managing. Ridiculous is right.
What would it happen if I took the photos and gave them to Silvio to post it on his site?
Would he still be in trouble?
You didn't...you took them and posted them on YOUR site. Why not get permission and post the on Flexonline.com?
Can any athlete post his progress photos on his own site?
Or there is the rule that EVEN that is prohibited?
Not that I'm aware of...
I (we) could have given ALL THE photos to Silvio's and he could have posted on his website.
Than someone will only need to copy and paste it on my site or here...and we would have no problem at all... ::)
Go for it...
Ronnie's, Jay's, DJ's, Kris Dim's....and who knows HOW MANY OTHER bodybuilders who came to my gym (OFFICIAL GYM FOR THE FLEX MAGAZINE PHOTOSHOOTS) are photographed by me and photos would be posted on my site and here on getbig almost immediately and THERE WAS NEVER A PROBLEM...until now?
Last year when 2 weeks out Jay looked lik ehe could possibly pull the upset - Jay himself didn't mind if I post the photos but "just in case" we checked with the office - and certainly GOT APPROVAL to post photos - so I did.
Awesome...Now you're starting to understand..."GOT APPROVAL"...the key word there is "APPROVAL", which you didn't get in Silvios case...for whatever reasons AMI had.
His sponsor was very much impressed with photos and everyone agreed POSTED PHOTOS would create a lot of POSITIVES for everyone and hardly any NEGATIVES...
In this case - it was exactly the same...
Silvio ASKED Robin for permission to post few photos just days before (in my office in front of me) - and Robin told him he'll get back to him...
...and when he "got back to him", what was his answer??
Silvio looked spectacular that morning and I wanted EVERYONE TO SEE that he is in shape and contender for top honors...
Which they all could have seen on the Webcast, or pics on Flexonline.com
As I already TALKED TO Robin and regardless of what Bob will say - I publicly claim: Robin didn't answer NO to my question if I can continue posting photos...
So what did he say then? Did he say Nein!, Dont do it!, Nyet!, or a combination of words?
Besides, IF I am not his manager and Silvio didn't post it himself - how could he get in trouble anyway?
He would be in trouble because HE would be held accountable as HE is the contracted athlete...not you. HIS mistake was trusting you when you told him..." you wouldn't post them online".
That is - IF I WAS NOT HIS MANAGER...and as I was - Robin and you Bob should have come to me...not him...
You werent...that was from Silvio himself.
Now, as Silvio knows - I had SEVERAL BACK UP PLANS to insure his contract or to even make it better...but that is now not relevant...
Wouldn't need "back up plans" if you werent putting his contract at risk in the first place.
What is relevant is that Bob " oh so omnipotent" athletes rep who is not chosen by the athletes continues to do whatever he wants - without EVER consulting the athletes...hence - for all the changes that occured under his term - HARDLY ANY ATHLETE IS AWARE OFF...
But, we should all read "minutes" posted on ifbb.com...I guess....
Yes...IFBB.com is a great place to read the minutes and all of the positive changes that have taken place for the athletes..BTW...just which ones don't you think benefit the athletes? More money? More qualifying placings? Health coverage? Free tickets? Being able to appear at non-sanctioned functions/ expos? Please....tell us all.
knny187 - who is that crawling in your avatar? i think i saw him at a match, guy should of tapped so many times! small world if it's the same guy
One could argue that any given time is before a show and also after a show. And if a message is delivered after a show, isn't it going to be before another show?
I don't know who he is....
but I heard he has been molested by his father & lives in his parents basement in Canada
really? he did seem a bit too much into it if you get my meaning
poor kid, he seemed a little slow, I was wondering why they allowed him in
sorry/
didn't mean to hijack this thread, saw that and it freaked me out
I don't know who he is....
but I heard he has been molested by his father & lives in his parents basement in Canada
1) Bob - my issue with you is simple:
YOU ARE MAKING WHATEVER CHANGES YOU WANT - WITHOUT ASKING THE ATHLETES AND GETTING MAJORITY VOTES FOR EACH AND EVERY ISSUE.
Regardless WHAT you have done - if it is GOOD or BAD - the simple truth is: ATHLETES DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT AND MANY DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE REQUESTING ANY CHANGES AT ALL.
You cannot THINK for all of us - and decide what YOU THINK everyone would agree with.
YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING BEHIND OUR BACKS!
Besides - AS YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY POINT: athlete (in this case Silvio) has the right to post his own photo on his own site - doesn't he?
So, what was the difference if I posted his photo on HIS SITE instead and than on mine?
It is B.S. "formality" and all of you are trying to point out I was breaking the rule - WHEN I REALLY DIDN'T...
Robin and everyone else should have known that photo of Silvio from his hotel is absolutely NOTHING his sponsor should worry about...
Exclusivity contracts are for OTHER PUBLICATIONS and not for personal websites..
Mrsirjojo, you said above "I think a lot of the flack directed towards Bob (especially regarding people calling him a company man) has been that the title of the position and its responsibilities don't seem to jibe".
And I entirely agree.
95% of the people on here and all the pros would get off Bob's back if the "athletes' rep" title was changed to "Athletes' Liason Officer".
Seems like whenever Chick (or even Shawn back in the day) has tried to get the athletes together for a meeting....
very few show interest or bother to show up.
Can't get the "majority" to vote if only a partial shows up
You are absolutely right about that - so YOU CANNOT COUNT ON MEETINGS TO BE decision making and votes collecting events...
One more thing....it's apparent that some of these Pro's are too stupid to either read or understand a contract before they sign. My advice is hire a lawyer or someone that can understand/translate the contract to you before you sign.
You are absolutely right about that - so YOU CANNOT COUNT ON MEETINGS TO BE decision making and votes collecting events...
I really don't see what the problem is about getting votes. Are the IFBB officials and Chic that stupid. Honestly, what a bunch of morons. Does the IFBB have a website. Why not put anything up for a vote on there. Does the IFBB send out renewals forms for their members, stick a ballot in there. Does any of the IFBB members have email, email them a ballot. The IFBB DOES NOT WANT THEM TO VOTE and see what they really think. That is the reason. There is no way in hell someone hasn't that about how to get them ballots. The only answer is the IFBB could care less what the members think or want or they don't want to hear it. It is that simple.
True dat. Problem is, they get paid peanuts, so to have to split them nuts with an attorney is not an option....
Shuttup you phat bastard!!! ;D
I'm sure they can afford a consultation right before signing the contract at least to have " translated" so it'be easier understood... ;)
Well, how would you suggest a collective voting process?
As hard as it seems to be - it is possible.
After all athletes all have to send money for IFBB membership - so we could have the access to each and every one of them.
Whatever athletes rep wants to suggest to all the athletes SHOULD BE...AND MUST BE presented to EVERY ATHLETE...and ONLY IF MAJORITY RESPONDS - than and only than rep could request the change...
If majority didn't respond and I am the rep - I would find the way to bombard guys who did not respond with emails, letters and phone calls UNTIL I GET necessary amount of votes...
Than I would PUBLISH names and votes and ask for change felling good about it - as I (and everyone else) will know that majority of athletes (with list of all the names) indeed asked for that change and WANTED that change..
I would like to see Bob's list - for each and every change he asked for... ;)
As everyone knows by now - changes that occurred ALL HAPPENED as Bob decided to think for all of us...and now he keeps repeating how he did a great job...
Well, according to who?
nice book Vince................... .cliff notes?
knny187 unbiased?AAAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA ,bullshit, you've been on Milos' sack as long as I can remember, trying at every chance to get a rise out of him.
You remember those skeletons knny? you may have some also ;D
As hard as it seems to be - it is possible.
After all athletes all have to send money for IFBB membership - so we could have the access to each and every one of them.
Whatever athletes rep wants to suggest to all the athletes SHOULD BE...AND MUST BE presented to EVERY ATHLETE...and ONLY IF MAJORITY RESPONDS - than and only than rep could request the change...
Are you saying I need to go through this process to get more money for the athletes? I guess if enough people dont respond to get a majority (which I'm almost assured of)...then NO ONE gets any increase in money...I proposed it, it passed...everyone wins. Zero complaints
If majority didn't respond and I am the rep - I would find the way to bombard guys who did not respond with emails, letters and phone calls UNTIL I GET necessary amount of votes...
Which could take months, if ever...nothing like stagnating progress.
Than I would PUBLISH names and votes and ask for change felling good about it - as I (and everyone else) will know that majority of athletes (with list of all the names) indeed asked for that change and WANTED that change..
There are those who wish their names not be on any list..for or against. Others who wont bother..
I would like to see Bob's list - for each and every change he asked for... ;)
No list to give...didn't take 3 months to try and get one together, which is why all the changes have benefitted the athletes NOW...not 2 years from now.
As everyone knows by now - changes that occurred ALL HAPPENED as Bob decided to think for all of us...and now he keeps repeating how he did a great job...
Well, according to who?
According to the many athletes that have thanked me for those changes...by email or in person. I'm still waiting for you to show everyone just what changes were NOT in the best interests of the pro's? NAME ONE.
Bob, people complain that I use blue fonts. The use of cut and paste red blurred fonts is worse. Please attend to this asap!
1) YES, I am challenging Bob for this position...
2) Whatever Bob has accomplished is certainly NOT better than NOTHING...
Changes are steps back and not foreword thus his accomplishment is NEGATIVE...(ZERO is certainly better than MINUS ;))
The president of the IFBB wants to beat the crap out of you...always great for business.
You're facing suspension.
Your managerial skills are horrendous at best.
You're a closet fag...no one in their right mind would vote you in, until you come out.
You're facing suspension.
Your managerial skills are horrendous at best...no one in their right mind would vote you in.
You can challenge me all day long...all you've done is showcase exactly why you're NOT the man for the job....
You claim to have been Silvio's "manager" yet somehow didn't have the cognisance to read his contract, or you didn't understand it...as it blatantly explains what he can and cant do in terms of being exclusive.
Even after failing to do that, you post pics up and are told by AMI that it's a conflict of interest and to not do it again or it will put your clients contract at risk...
You ignore that request, post pics in spite of Robin Chang...and put his contract at risk..AGAIN.
You continue to question WHY you cant do this, do that, etc....when it's irrelevant to Silvios contract, and irrelevant what YOU think about the contract you don't understand.
The president of the IFBB wants to beat the crap out of you...always great for business.
You're facing suspension.
Your managerial skills are horrendous at best...no one in their right mind would vote you in.
You can challenge me all day long...all you've done is showcase exactly why you're NOT the man for the job....
I may give him shit....but...it seems he is someone that does care about the current conditions of the IFBB & the future.
I just call Milos's BS when I see it....& if your memory is any good....who was it that gave Chick the term "third tier pro"?
holy shit knny, do you realize you have over 17,000 posts :o
Chick is at best a third tier pro, I'm not sure why, he had a good physique and he seems like quite the company boy, so maybe he couldn't "finish" the "job" ;)
I Do? I wonder how that happened?
;D
All I'm saying is...No matter if it's Chick, Melvin, Milos, Shawn, etc.....I hold no allegiance to any one of them.
I do think Chick is doing a damn fine job.....for NO monetary reward. Because so many body builders are self absorbed....I am amazed one actually stepped forth the responsibilities. IMO if Chick wasn't in place, things could be a lot worse. Sure, he's not perfect....but imagine anyone else in this position. We still would have dipshits line Vince & a few others keep babbling how they're screwed up. Look at the George Bush. Can you say that every American support or back his policies?
The president of the IFBB wants to beat the crap out of you...
Hey, Knny, what makes me a dipshit in your mind?
yeah and Chick keeps denying it ::)
:o
I think bob may have said too much here.
Hasn't our point been from the beinning that this whole thing was about the powers that be settling a score with Milos?
BOB YOU SAY YOU COULDNT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED IT CHANGED..........BUT YET YOU GO AHEAD AND CHANGE RULES JUDGED ON YOUR ASSESMENT OF WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD.....YOU ARE ONLY ONE PERSON AND YOU GO AND CHANGE SHIT.........SO WHY COULDNT YOU HAVE TRIED AND CHANGED THE ONE I WANTED CHANGED..........OK LETS HEAR YOU CRAPPY ANSWER :)
:o
I think bob may have said too much here.
Hasn't our point been from the beginning that this whole thing was about the powers that be settling a score with Milos?
Why post that the president of the IFBB wants to beat the shit out of Milos! That is a lamentable lapse and should disqualify him from representing anyone in this sport.
Two different entities...two different events. One has nothing to do with the other.
This is an AMI CONTRACT...not the IFBB.
BOB YOU SAY YOU COULDNT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED IT CHANGED..........BUT YET YOU GO AHEAD AND CHANGE RULES JUDGED ON YOUR ASSESMENT OF WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD.....YOU ARE ONLY ONE PERSON AND YOU GO AND CHANGE SHIT.........SO WHY COULDNT YOU HAVE TRIED AND CHANGED THE ONE I WANTED CHANGED..........OK LETS HEAR YOU CRAPPY ANSWER :)
There's "on paper" and then there's reality.
It is not the same as someone wanting to beat the crap out of a smug Goatboy or some other anonymous nuisance on these boards.
I agree that Bob might be in hot water over that disclosure. It might be his interpretation and not what the president, new or old is not clear, said. Still, you don't reveal private conversations on the net that might embarrass those making those comments.
Give Bob a certificate for services to bodybuilding but ask for his blazer back.
Threre is also the "internet" and there's reality...there is also "convincingly won the show" and "given a gift win" ;D
It is not the same as someone wanting to beat the crap out of a smug Goatboy or some other anonymous nuisance on these boards.
I agree that Bob might be in hot water over that disclosure. It might be his interpretation and not what the president, new or old is not clear, said. Still, you don't reveal private conversations on the net that might embarrass those making those comments.
Give Bob a certificate for services to bodybuilding but ask for his blazer back.
Two different entities...two different events. One has nothing to do with the other.
This is an AMI CONTRACT...not the IFBB.
Yet as an IFBB rep you can use this position to discuss AMI contracts...he doesn't get it noc, draw him a picture.
If the IFBB as you've just said want to cause problems for Milos...
see where im going with this? ::)
he doesn't get it noc, draw him a picture.
Yet as an IFBB rep you can use this position to discuss AMI contracts...
If the IFBB as you've just said want to cause problems for Milos...
see where im going with this? ::)
no...
I'm not surprised.
Of course you're not...you dont understand the issue.
Of course you're not...you dont understand the issue.
he might as well trade in his Pro Card for a PDI season ticket..
or on the PDI website?
Are PDI Season Tickets available at Ticketmaster? :D
But really, Robert Michael, was it in good nature to just come out and tell Milos that the President of the IFBB wants to fuck his ass up? I mean, you're practically telling Milos that there is no way in hell he will ever win anything in the IFBB and that he might as well trade in his Pro Card for a PDI season ticket..
Please...it's common knowledge that MANY people have had issues with Milos....Manion, Weinberger, etc. etc....If you knew firsthand anything that has happened post 1976, this would be of little interest. Old news.LMAO! Ducky spends to much time in the sun, he doesn't know left from right at this point.
He can have the blazer.. Get a new one ;D
like I've said before I think Chick is catching alot of shit because Sean isn't posting. Too bad people feel they need to vent and Chick keeps responding and feeding the fire.
I'm not totally comvinced Chick wasn't egged on by Sean in some way though. Has Chick once spoke out and said "yes that was a fucked up thing to do right before he went on stage" I mean it's not like they could have pulled the pics and cleared it up before he went on, so it comes across like Sean knew what he was doing and to me, it seems like he did it on purpose. What a dick.
knny regardless of you issues with Milos, do you think what Sean did was appropriate?
Hey, Knny, what makes me a dipshit in your mind? Seems to be a bit low of someone not biased in this sport. How about debating issues instead of namecalling?
Nothing wrong with pirate shirts! It took me years to find some!
Funny how some here use putdowns to try to discredit others. How pathetic is that?
No matter what decade you were born in you can still detect falsehood, impropriety and morally wrong things. From the behaviour of some in this thread I would say they qualify as being evil people. Especially the person doing bad things behind everyone's back. I don't need to mention names here. As you guys get older you will see that people don't change and that lots of bad people seem to stick together and then pretend they are officially the good guys. Good thing forums like this exist where we are allowed to say what we think and defend our opinions.
This Vince Basile guy is annoying.
Maybe his safety fat is getting to him ::)
Curse this place for allowing all those silly names like Goatboy, etc. It would help if we knew who others were.
Can knny187 or someone who knows who this person is tell me about him? Just want to know a bit about someone who seems to be part of the scene. I thought he might have posted in the history forum. Curse this place for allowing all those silly names like Goatboy, etc. It would help if we knew who others were.
PS: Knny187 is Ben Weider
Is that the famous Joe "GOATBOY" Weider? :o
Dammit Joe....now my cover is blown
:-X
This Vince Basile guy is annoying.
Maybe his safety fat is getting to him ::)
I wonder if Joe, with all of his money, has paid people to find out who Goatboy is?
Vince Basile is a national bodybuilding champion. i don't understand all the disrespect to him. sure it was a long time ago and he's not in great shape now; but shawn ray is already out of shape and he was competing a couple years ago. Vince doesn't seem to name call or sling mud (not that i've seen) and seems to respect the sport and try to suggest improvements. bash me now for respecting him, but think about it.
Rik
Ok....I see some of your point of views on the matter & can see where there's some improvement, & some where it's still not probably going to fix matters.
Here's another suggestion (although it may be a little unconventional & contraversal)
It seems that an IFBB Pro is required (every year) to pay an IFBB registration due in order to be able to qualify for competition status. Who's to say (other than the IFBB...which may be where the main issue lies) there being a secondary condition where every paying IFBB member has to fill out a voting sheet of current & pending proposals with on the bottom of the voting sheet, a place where an athlete can make suggestions & proposals that can be addressed for the following voting year. If the dues & the voting sheet are not filled out, the athlete can not compete in sanctioned IFBB contests.
Vince Basile is a national bodybuilding champion. i don't understand all the disrespect to him. sure it was a long time ago and he's not in great shape now; but shawn ray is already out of shape and he was competing a couple years ago. Vince doesn't seem to name call or sling mud (not that i've seen) and seems to respect the sport and try to suggest improvements. bash me now for respecting him, but think about it.
Rik
Hey, Hank, where do you live and where do you train?
People charge me with being condescending. I haven't used that expression much except at Bob.
I am a materialist so hardly belong to any formal belief system.
You go around chastising others. That is putting people down in your way.
Are you saying I need to go through this process to get more money for the athletes? I guess if enough people dont respond to get a majority (which I'm almost assured of)...then NO ONE gets any increase in money...I proposed it, it passed...everyone wins. Zero complaints
****WOW, YOU DID IT BOB!
How much money are we talking about?
And didn’t WE, THE ATHLETES STARTED THAT ISSUE AT THE OLYMPIA WHILE SHAWN WAS STILL OUR REP…
You proposed?
Really?
None of us BEFORE YOU EVER ASKED?
It is interesting how much credit you give to yourself for something that would have happened ANYWAY…
On another note – as you are answering my questions but SELECTIVELY ALWAYS skip – the most important one:
How could you DARE to propose the changes that ONLY YOU want – without even informing other athletes…or waiting for VOTES?
How could you DARE betray all of us and DECIDE FOR US – without our approval?
YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR POSITION at our expense.
Which could take months, if ever...nothing like stagnating progress.
****For IMPOTENT REPS that could care less to find the way to contact the athletes – yes it could take months or even years…
For someone with just a little bit of functional gray mass inside the scull - it would be quite easy to GET RESPONSE that is – if response is WANTED…
However, when someone DOESN’T WANT response of others WHICH IS YOUR CASE – than they come up with the excuse “it could take months so I’ll just decide for all”.
What happened with “VOTE YES FOR NOT JUDGING THE POSING ROUND?” that you started?
I immediately started new thread with “ VOTE HELL NO TO Bob’s stupid idea”…and when pros started responding and many wondered if you are drunk or on drugs or just plain stupid – you showed your true face.
Milos Sarcev
To all registered IFBB pro's: vote NO or HELL NO!
« on: November 04, 2005, 01:34:09 AM »
To all registered IFBB pro's:
You will all be receiving the new 2006 IFBB pro schedule in the mail over the next few days. It includes your renewal form, as well as a voting reminder for a proposal I submitted to amend the judging format to ELIMINATE scoring of the POSING round.
For all that have at least a little bit of common sense - PLEASE VOTE NO to proposal to eliminate scoring of the posing round in all IFBB professional shows!
Simply vote - NO to this proposal!
*ALL VOTES MUST BE RECEIVED BY DEC 1, 2005*
**EMAIL ALL VOTES OF FOR OR AGAINST TO: ifbbprodivision@aol.com
you can fax also at: (412)281-0470
And here was JUST ONE OF YOUR USUAL POSTS – as always cocky and arrogant (as you are anyway) and supposedly knowing that – regardless of what I say you will win...You so proudly told me that: YOU GOT THE NEWS FOR ME…AND THAT THIS PROPOSAL WILL GET PASSED….
Guess what happened?
YOUR POST:
Milos-
So because evryone doesn't agree with YOU...were "brainwashed" and idiots?? I've got news for you bro...this proposal WILL get passed whether you like it or not. You can change with the times or be left behind...doesn't matter to me either way. I can assure you, so far...YOU are the ONLY Pro BB who is opposed to it. Maybe EVERYONE is wrong and you're the only one who knows whats going on...?
AND AGAIN - YOUR COCKY "EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME...BUT I AM NOT GOING TO SHOW YOU MY LIST...as you would make a note that list contains two names: mine and my side kick Shawn"
And "Milos YOU ARE THE ONLY PRO BB who is opposed to it...and as I am afraid that wast majority of the pros would think like you - I will pretend that I cannot get the answer for 3 months so I would not even bother asking for votes".
Besides, I realized that I can get away with that...so I'll continue...
No list to give...didn't take 3 months to try and get one together, which is why all the changes have benefitted the athletes NOW...not 2 years from now.
***** No list to give?
So you are admitting YOU ARE FRAUD!
You fraudulently PROPOSED something YOU wanted as something that athletes supposedly agreed and voted for.
Again: YOU ARE FRAUD…and should be punished for that.
And again – your inability to find athletes and collect their votes should be a good sign that you should be removed from the position.
According to the many athletes that have thanked me for those changes...by email or in person. I'm still waiting for you to show everyone just what changes were NOT in the best interests of the pro's? NAME ONE.
**** I am sure you can post MANY ATHLETES EMAILS than…
Let’s see what you consider MANY…One?
Probably Shawn’s – who need to brown-nose you so he can be your assistant as he failed miserably when he had a chance….
I am still waiting for you to show me JUST WHAT CHANGES WERE APPROVED BY THE ATHLETES before I answer your question…
Point that I am making for God knows how long is:
YOU ARE MAKING CHANGES THAT ONLY YOU WANT…AND NOT WHAT THE ATHLETES WANT – and as such you should be released from your position – immediately…before you make yet another change without anyone’s approval.
You can challenge me all day long...all you've done is showcase exactly why you're NOT the man for the job....
You claim to have been Silvio's "manager" yet somehow didn't have the cognisance to read his contract, or you didn't understand it...as it blatantly explains what he can and cant do in terms of being exclusive.
Even after failing to do that, you post pics up and are told by AMI that it's a conflict of interest and to not do it again or it will put your clients contract at risk...
You ignore that request, post pics in spite of Robin Chang...and put his contract at risk..AGAIN.
You continue to question WHY you cant do this, do that, etc....when it's irrelevant to Silvios contract, and irrelevant what YOU think about the contract you don't understand.
The president of the IFBB wants to beat the crap out of you...always great for business.
You're facing suspension.
Your managerial skills are horrendous at best...no one in their right mind would vote you in.
Well, Hank, why should I pay any attention to an anonymous person? What bothers me is that some of us disclose our real names and we have to post with flotsam who are unknown. They don't have to be responsible for what they say. I now know Hank Wood is a handle and nothing more. It is disturbing that so many people do what you do. Look at the result on this forum.
Good for Milos to get the thread back on track. Melvin was stirred to post something then he talked to Bob and now Melvin doesn't post here anymore. That is typical of the IFBB. Melvin has to protect his income so we understand. That shows how strong others are who will speak out. Come to think about it there are no currently competing pros except for Luke Wood and one or two others who do post here as known individuals. Most keep well away from exposing who they are on the net.
Milos-san,
A round egg can be made square according to how you cut it; words would be harsh according to how you speak them
Vince, you choose to use your real name; good for you. That has more to do with your need for attention and recognition than anything else. I, for that matter, prefer to keep my 'private life' off-limits to the internet freaks and losers that troll this forum!
You post here because you are lonely and have an empty existance Vince! OK, early on in your life, you showed hope and promise. Now, you are just another sad and lonely old man, who uses an internet forum to fill the emptiness and sorrow that is 'your reality' now!
BTW -Luke Wood posts here because he is a 'nobody Pro' who has nothing better to do with his time.
People feel sorry for this Mass Monster.- A pathetic career that has been dogged by illness and poor results!
LOL!!!! there you go again WANK!!! i by the the way have nothing to do with this thread, but since you were you so kndly brought my name up again, thankyou!!! Last week i was your best friend!!! Remember??? Like i care anyway!!! i am so happy you feel sorry for me!!!! Thankyou for calling me a MASS MONSTER! thats a compliment!! now Flex mag covers, magazine exposure all the time, reconised around the world, a professional athletes, endorsement contract, seeing the world!!! shall i go on about my pathetic career!!!
For your information Luke, it was Vince who brought your name into this thread!haaaaaaaaaaaahahhaha its so fucking entertaining when the two woods go at it..ahahah hank you're posts are crazy funny and the same time very true..hahha keep on tormenting luke woods steroid headed brain..he is too dumb to understand his own insecurities...lol.
And also, i have been very clear on my thoughts regarding the Mass Monsters. I believe they are a scourge on this industry. These hideous creatures are a cancer, and the IFBB must legislate against these freaks before the sport totally folds.
Luke, you come across as being quite insecure. Your need to post a list of your 'career highlights' is a reflection of your own personal inadequacy.
Face it, you steroidal-circus-act, you have achieved very little for the amount of shit you have pumped into that butt of yours! Your so-called fans, feel sorry for you. Luke, you have become the IFBB's charity case....
haaaaaaaaaaaahahhaha its so fucking entertaining when the two woods go at it..ahahah hank you're posts are crazy funny and the same time very true..hahha keep on tormenting luke woods steroid headed brain..he is too dumb to understand his own insecurities...lol.
haaaaaaaaaaaahahhaha its so fucking entertaining when the two woods go at it..ahahah hank you're posts are crazy funny and the same time very true..hahha keep on tormenting luke woods steroid headed brain..he is too dumb to understand his own insecurities...lol.
Luke exists in a delusional world, one clouded by steroid-abuse and adolescent-sycophants.hahhahaahhaah yes.luke is a 5th tier bodybuilder with no future..
This bloated Mass Monster needs a reality check ( and should get a health check while he is at it!).
He constantly refers to himself as a Professional Athlete. Nothing could be further from the truth! But try convincing Luke of this; it just falls on deaf ears!
Face it Luke, you pose in pagaents frequented by fags with cameras.
Bob. Would it be right to do what knny187 suggested!!! With all the Ifbb membership letters that normally arrive around Xmas time each, have a another paper from suggesting proposals or better having us give ideas!!! This letter would also be part of the yearly ifbb membership renewal and be compulsory to be filled out!!! You could list suggestions of your own and than have us suggest if we agree or not, than also a space where we can have our own ideas!!! For eg. The first round of the pro shows where we do free posing where all 8 compulsory poses have to be performed in the routine. I personally like the old way.
i may be alone on that one is thats fine, but when were we all asked if this was fine with us (the athletes), yes it was a suggestion on your behalf and an idea, but again Bob as the athletes rep isn't your responsibility to ask us first before you put the proposal to the IFBB?? You may think it was a good idea and thats fine, but when were we asked or who did you ask. Now i may have been the only guy out of every professional who may have voted against this, but at least i knew i was given a chance to vote for it.
I also remember the meeting after the press conference at the Olympia last year. There was like 10 people there! But i remember you saying that you are going to propose that no props be used in the routines now. I think you said and i quote "its not a circus, but a bodybuilding show"....OK thats fine to suggest that, but how about asking all the pro's about this??? i for one have never used a prop on stage or any type of mask etc and i probably never will, but some guys love to! So even if 90% of the pro's agree with you, at least the other 10% had a chance to vote as well! so at least we can say that it was a suggestion on the Athletes reps part, he be it forward to the athletes and the majority said.......yes or no! Now I'm not sure if this proposal went ahead about the props, but it was another suggestion i heard you suggest on your behalf!
You said at the same meeting that it is almost impossible to contact on the athletes for a suggestion! but that membership fee still finds its way to all of our homes! So in the same letter (envelop) have a suggestion sheet where the athletes can propose ideas etc or even have suggestions we can choose from for eg. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST WE CHANGE THE FIRST ROUND TO FREE POSING WHERE ALL 8 COMPULSORY POSES MUST BE INCLUDED?? YES OR NO. DO YOU LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE ATHLETES ARE ALLOWED TO USE PROPS?? YES OR NO?? ETC, ETC. Now this has to be answered and sent back with his membership fee and is compulsory to fill out. Than have all the suggestions posted up on the various forums, with the athletes name and his answer yes or no! not a reason why, just yes or no will do. Of course you will need the athletes permission to post his name an answer but I'm sure he will not mind!
Silvio had more confidence in my negotiating skills than his - and that's why he wanted me to represent him...
You keep mentioning that I claim I was Silvio's manager like I wasn't?
Would the same photo appearing on Silvio's site be BREACH OF CONTRACT?
MY father's family name being Pirrip, and my christian name Philip, my infant tongue could make of both names nothing longer or more explicit than Pip. So, I called myself Pip, and came to be called Pip.
I give Pirrip as my father's family name, on the authority of his tombstone and my sister - Mrs Joe Gargery, who married the blacksmith. As I never saw my father or my mother, and never saw any likeness of either of them (for their days were long before the days of photographs), my first fancies regarding what they were like, were unreasonably derived from their tombstones. The shape of the letters on my father's, gave me an odd idea that he was a square, stout, dark man, with curly black hair. From the character and turn of the inscription, `Also Georgiana Wife of the Above,' I drew a childish conclusion that my mother was freckled and sickly. To five little stone lozenges, each about a foot and a half long, which were arranged in a neat row beside their grave, and were sacred to the memory of five little brothers of mine - who gave up trying to get a living, exceedingly early in that universal struggle - I am indebted for a belief I religiously entertained that they had all been born on their backs with their hands in their trousers- pockets, and had never taken them out in this state of existence.
Ours was the marsh country, down by the river, within, as the river wound, twenty miles of the sea. My first most vivid and broad impression of the identity of things, seems to me to have been gained on a memorable raw afternoon towards evening. At such a time I found out for certain, that this bleak place overgrown with nettles was the churchyard; and that Philip Pirrip, late of this parish, and also Georgiana wife of the above, were dead and buried; and that Alexander, Bartholomew, Abraham, Tobias, and Roger, infant children of the aforesaid, were also dead and buried; and that the dark flat wilderness beyond the churchyard, intersected with dykes and mounds and gates, with scattered cattle feeding on it, was the marshes; and that the low leaden line beyond, was the river; and that the distant savage lair from which the wind was rushing, was the sea; and that the small bundle of shivers growing afraid of it all and beginning to cry, was Pip.
Hold your noise!' cried a terrible voice, as a man started up from among the graves at the side of the church porch. `Keep still, you little devil, or I'll cut your throat!'
A fearful man, all in coarse grey, with a great iron on his leg. A man with no hat, and with broken shoes, and with an old rag tied round his head. A man who had been soaked in water, and smothered in mud, and lamed by stones, and cut by flints, and stung by nettles, and torn by briars; who limped, and shivered, and glared and growled; and whose teeth chattered in his head as he seized me by the chin.
O! Don't cut my throat, sir,' I pleaded in terror. `Pray don't do it, sir.'
'Tell us your name!' said the man. `Quick!'
`Pip, sir.'
`Once more,' said the man, staring at me. `Give it mouth!'
`Pip. Pip, sir.'
`Show us where you live,' said the man. `Pint out the place!'
I pointed to where our village lay, on the flat in-shore among the alder-trees and pollards, a mile or more from the church.
The man, after looking at me for a moment, turned me upside down, and emptied my pockets. There was nothing in them but a piece of bread. When the church came to itself - for he was so sudden and strong that he made it go head over heels before me, and I saw the steeple under my feet - when the church came to itself, I say, I was seated on a high tombstone, trembling, while he ate the bread ravenously.
`You young dog,' said the man, licking his lips, `what fat cheeks you ha' got.'
Why can't the IFBB set up a page on their website so IFBB pros can vote on proposals
All they would have to do is set up a page that pros can click on to see proposed rule changes. Only pros will be able to access this page by typing in their IFBB member number and a password. Then they could read any proposals and click FOR or AGAINST and SEND. The results will be tallied as they are done and there could be a deadline as to when voting ends. MD does this kind of thing all the time for fun. The IFBB just needs to make sure security is in place by having limited access and passwords, and making sure each person can only vote once per proposal.
To get the word out about proposed changes the pros should get automatic e-mails to their personal e-mail addresses everytime there is a proposed rule change.
just a suggestion
They can take credit, I don't care. They will get further with it than I would.
Well if they want changes for the better like they say then they will take my idea and run with it. If they don't maybe one of the other pros will read it and do something with it. Possibly Luke or Melvin will use it.
Just got back from my gym where I trained arms and took a few photos.
That lavender really brings out the creepy in your eyes.
Ok Hank, I sent my suggestion to the IFBB. You think I'll get a reply from them
I sent it. The first time it was returned but I resent it and it went through, so I guess we'll see what happens next.
Just got back from my gym where I trained arms and took a few photos.
Just got back from my gym where I trained arms and took a few photos.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149104.0;attach=166499;image)
Just got back from my gym where I trained arms and took a few photos.
Again, according to who?
You...Bob THE FRAUD?
Silvio had more confidence in my negotiating skills than his - and that's why he wanted me to represent him...
I doubled the offered supplement contract - and got him more money than he even expected...
He HAD more confidence...HAD. It became abundantly clear that you didn't know what you were doing and causing more problems for him. That was HIS choice to distance himself and make sure it was crystal clear that he spoke for himself and repreented himself...not you.
Yes, for that I got zilch as he still didn't decide what he feels was fair to pay me...but as it stands - I do not want his money...he can hire you or Shawn...After all you both know how to deal with authorities...
You keep mentioning that I claim I was Silvio's manager like I wasn't?
Just ask Muscletech or your best friend Robin - who did they deal with AND WHY - regarding Silvio's contracts...
Cant comment on Muscletech....dont know the details. I've talked to Robin personally..no, you were never his manager...from Robin AND Silvio.
Besides, you still didn't answer my question:
If I wasn't Silvio's manager HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?
And it's been answered at least TWICE...now it becomes clear why you got Silvio in this mess...YOU CANT READ. He was in breach because as the athlete under contract, HE would be held accountable...you were told not to post pics, did anyway..putting him in breach.....not too tough to understand...for anyone else.
And ANOTHER QUESTION THAT YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING:
Would the same photo appearing on Silvio's site be BREACH OF CONTRACT?
Assuming it doesn't conflict with his contract...no. Permission would have to be given to him, depending on the strictness of his contract....or they could be posted on Flexonline.com...which YOU could have done also,Obviously
MANY CONTRACTED IFBB PROS ARE POSTING THEIR PHOTOS ON THEIR SITES - WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS FROM THEIR EXCLUSIVE SPONSORS...
Depends on their contract, and their sponsors...many supplement companies could care less....publication contracts are much more strict as taking pics and interviews is WHAT THEY DO, AND WHT THEY'RE PAYING FOR.So, IT IS JUST FORMALITY that I would hope everyone would understand...
Only since ROBIN came on board this became the problem...all of a sudden...
Whatever...he's in chanrge, and it's his job to enforce the contract.
As everyone is mentioning - MY SITE IS FULL OF PHOTOS OF NUMEROUS CONTRACTED ATHLETES PREPARING FOR THEIR SHOWS IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM - until now...
See above. Same answer applies.
Robin, you and Shawn simply want to show me as a trouble-maker...instead of WHAT I AM - IFBB PRO WHO CARED AND SUPPORTED IN MANY WAYS MORE PROS THAT EVERYONE COMBINED...and I will continue doing it - as IT IS MY PLEASURE TO GIVE A HELPING HAND...Real helping hand WHEN GUYS NEED HELP...not like you and Shawn...when "your helping hand" brings MORE HARM than anything else...
WOW...thats a different spin. It was your "helping hand" thats the sole reason this discussion is taking place. Your inability to follow direction almost cost Silvio a months pay..keep up the good work.
Robin, you and Shawn SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THIS...but go ahead - blame me... ;)
Yeah...cause somehow it's MY fault that YOU cant read a contract, or do what was told when warned the first time, or absolutely HAD to post pictures...HAD TO....to put his contract at risk!
The president of the IFBB wants to beat the crap out of me?
Wow, the way he was smiling at me during our half hour conversation was "wanting to beat the crap out of me?"
Don't say...
Refer back to the Ironman debacle..you, yourself posted exerpts from the conversation you had on speakerphone...what were his comments again? How about from Steve W? Tuman?
Facing suspension?
I am facing it for the quite some time now...don't you think?
Now - I was warned that I might get 2 moths suspension...but I insisted to find out why?
For telling the truth?
I will continue telling the truth...and will see where this suspension leads us...
There is plenty of time until the Olympia to get unsuspended - and take your position...if I don't manage to take you out BEFORE THAN.
So...are you or are you not facing suspension?
Coming to my seminar?
It starts in about 9 hours...
You can actually learn something...but than again - why would you?
No...sorry. I have family to spend the day with. I do appreciate the invite though.You're probably right...here's a few thing I could learn:
How NOT to interperate a contract...
How to put my clients contact at risk...
How to be a manager without an actual contract stating that I am...
How to ignore a direct warning, putting my clients contract at risk...AGAIN.
How to make friends and influence people.
Do everyone a favor, and keep the subject manner to training and nutrition...the minute you start talking politics, etc....you will leave everyone pissed off and with a wasted day.
Why is this posted in the middle of a thread about the IFBB athletes rep ???Ha..Ha...Because of Vince Basile is a candidate for the next IFBB athletes rep ????? ;D ;D
Because of Vince Basile is a candidate for the next IFBB athletes rep ??? ;D ;D
I wax on and wax off the Overall trophy bob gave me everyday.
If you negotiated his contract you would be aware of the content and contractual obligations? You were happy for Silvio to sign the contract but immediately went out and posted photographs on your site which was in breach of that contract? If you considered the clause to be unfair or unreasonable, why did you have Silvio sign it?
If as you say, you did act as a manager for Silvio I would suggest that you either learn more about the legal function and requirements of a contract or at the very least advise them to have a lawyer look over it.
If you brokered the contract you would be the one to know if photographs appearing on Silvio's site breached it? Why ask anyone else not party to it's content?
"YOU" Posted them on the Internet in Breach of Silvios Contract without his knowledge!
this line right here exposes your stupidity shawn.
just how can silvio breach his contract if said 'breach' was 'without his knowledge' idiot? ::)
Why is this posted in the middle of a thread about the IFBB athletes rep ???
Why is this posted in the middle of a thread about the IFBB athletes rep ???Perhaps the answer resides here...
That's a good point...why was Silvio being threatened for Milos' actions??? Even if he did allow Milos to take the photos, but that raises the question....DID Milos tell Silvio that he WAS NOT going to post the photos??? Milos?
Once again that pic shows shawn in shape :)
Absolutely. But, Mr. Perfect is far from Mr. Perfect.
Heck you even ran Hidetada back to Japan with your "Special Concoctions" you were giving him scared to death for his health.Tell us more!
as you can see from every post/thread initiated by bob or shawn on this subject, Milos is the target.
Milos is the target because he's the one who put Silvios contract in question.
notice how they keep saying what Milos should have done/not done.
funny how Milos wasn't even the one competing.
both bob AND shawn did a double act on Milos iti. silvio was just the pawn.
this was obvious to me as soon as the 'athletes rep' came on the board to gloat about silvio not wanting any part of Milos anymore.
Gloat? I'm the one who had to meet with Robin Chang in Silvios defense....Silvio was indeed a pawn, to Milos' ego.
bob is back pedalling now, but make no mistake he was absolutely part of the double act on silvio at the prejudging. he knew very well that when shawn texted sivio stating 'there is nothing i can do for you now' that silvio would come straight to him.
There is nothing to back peddle from...I didn't even know of this info until after the fact, nor did I have anything to do with it.
what did he tell silvio?
'don't worry buddy, Milos tried to fuck you but i'll look after you now.'
Pretty much...different wording, same idea. Milos lied to Silvio and told him the pics would NOT be posted, as he was already warned once.
again, this is not hard to figure out people. in fact shawn himself has put his foot straight in his mouth with that one precious line right at the top of his singular reply,
""YOU" Posted them on the Internet in Breach of Silvios Contract without his knowledge!"
quote by shawn ray himself.
someone (ifbb/anyone) please explain to me how a man can breach his contract if said 'breach' was without his knowledge'?
Easy.....
1.Milos and Silvio were BOTH warned this was not to be done again.
2. Silvio was told HE would be responsible if it did happen again, as HE is the one under contract, not Milos.
3. Milos insisted he was taking pics of Silvio for HIS OWN, as Silvio asked him to please not post them...Milos did anyway, knowing this would be a problem for Silvio.
you don't have to be a intelligent or a lawyer to figure this one out.
EXACTLY...GET IT NOW?
YOU CAN'T BREACH ANY FUCKING THING IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT A LAWYER Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. Besides that...BOTH knew about it, and BOTH knew the consequences.
you also don't have to be intelligent to see that shawn and bob were in this together.
Once again....There was nothing to be "in together"...If Milos never posts the pics, the rest of this story never happens...PERIOD.
and you don't have to be a competitive bber to figure out that former and current 'athletes reps' singling out a top competitor right before stepping on stage at the prejudging to get at his trainer/manager has got to be one of the most disgusting acts an athlete's representative can do in any sport.
And I agree...It would be....but it never happened. Get your facts straight. Silvio himself has confirmed this....I did nothing but what I should have done...Downplayed the situation and told him I would handle it for him later.
So what do you think of my idea Chick, Milos, and Shawn?
Allot like Sean. Can you imagine what Sasha felt.probably nothing ;)
Very good....we've been working on a very similiar idea for a while now. It's simple yet effective.
Got another clever idea you could work on. Use correct professional channels to deal with IFBB business and not message boards.
I do...they're called "IFBB Pro league" meetings...they're held twice a year.
Thanks for the tip.
Chick, you are a master politician.just figuring this out :-\
I dont understand your connection and loyality to this message board. And i dont think i ever will.
My posts asking you to deal with IFBB business ( eg. the Milos issues) away from this forum continues to fall on deaf ears...It leads me to assume that you have alterior motives for your unprofessional behaviour.
I do...they're called "IFBB Pro league" meetings...they're held twice a year.
Thanks for the tip.
Chick, i believe that the more you make yourself available to the Getbig-community-of-haters the greater the chance you have of becoming a despised figure like Milos or Shawn.
You dont need Getbig to promote yourself. Your business and personal life is going along perfectly already.
Chick, dont become a self parody.
By posting here, you are just alligning yourself with pea-brains like Luke Wood. You dont need this adolescent-forum to get approval Chick!
Move on before your career becomes a joke like your friend Shawn's!
Visibility is what created a viable career for Bob. He isn't making money because he made any kind of an impact as a bodybuilder. He makes money because he can speak behind a microphone and is constantly putting himself out there staying in the public eye. He needs to maintain visibility to continue being a "bodybuilding personality".
Shawn, on the other hand, would have been wise to take your advice.
So many pros and industry people have left this forum because of the negativity it breeds.
They don't post, but they still read it though. It's about the only place you can find out what people really think. The other forums will do nothing but blow sunshine up people's asses and censor all bad news and contraversial subjects.
Bob knows this, and I believe most of his posts are for the benefit of those reading but not posting, not for the getbig trolls he's actually replying to.
Bob,nah, he just assumes that because most are too scared to complain out loud, that he's doing a good job ::)
how many people voted for you to be the "athletes rep" ?
do you have a list of names of people that are supposedely "behind your every move"?
The other forums will do nothing but blow sunshine up people's asses and censor all bad news and contraversial subjects.
I do...they're called "IFBB Pro league" meetings...they're held twice a year.
Thanks for the tip.
Bob,
how many people voted for you to be the "athletes rep" ?
do you have a list of names of people that are supposedely "behind your every move"?
nah, he just assumes that because most are too scared to complain out loud, that he's doing a good job ::)
great,
everyone from around the world has to show up at a meeting in the just to be able voice an opinion.
here's another news flash for you Chick, there are pros who live outside of the USA
None....Jim Manion appointed me after Shawn stepped down.so if say an IFBB pro were to make a non sanctioned appearance at a PDI show there would be no punishment, correct?
Yes...the list are the IFBB pro's that have benefitted from the changes...including more money, health care plan, more qualifying places, ability to make non sanctioned apperances, etc, etc....
so if say an IFBB pro were to make a non sanctioned appearance at a PDI show there would be no punishment, correct?
Vince, you look very menacing, scary in fact!
That gaze of yours sends cold shivers through me. Your look is disturbing!
You remind me of this weird old man who lived at the bottom of my street when i was a child. He frightened all the children in the neighbourhood.
Vince, you are the personification of all things evil.
Only a woman could write like that! No wonder 'Hank' won't post a photo, etc. Just a hunch.
The rules are very specific...no, you could not be on stage, and not guest pose...but lets say my company was sponsoring the event and we had a booth, I would not be in any violation as I'm working for my company. Expo's, store openings, seminars, etc....all fall under this ruling.What if someone took pictures of you at said "expo" in a tank top, in a front double bi with a customer, and put them on the internet, would you be in danger of losing a months pay or do you not have a "special clause" in your contract.
What the hell is with the elbow facing the camera? It's like when you ask a little kid to show you his muscles...and they stick out their elbow..!
What if someone took pictures of you at said "expo" in a tank top, in a front double bi with a customer, and put them on the internet, would you be in danger of losing a months pay or do you not have a "special clause" in your contract.
Are these meetings mandatory?
There are more then 200 IFBB pro's (Shawn had to get close to 100 in 2003 to be the rep, so now, 4 years later there have to be more than that with several other guys turning pro)
What number of pro's do you expect to come to Columbus or Vegas to attend this meeting?
A ticket from Europe/Russia/South America/Australia is quite expensive and cost of living is not the best in a few european countries, even for a few American pros it can be difficult (financially) to make it to 1 of these shows.
With modern technology (internet), don't you think the idea that was presented before by 2-3 other members is more feasible and honest then actually attending these meetings?
Why can't the IFBB (or you) set up a forum like this and make it IFBB pro entrees only where all can (have to?) vote?
Maybe have the proposals translated in different languages as well (IFBB) so nobody has an excuse to say they didn't understand the proposal because it's in english.
This forum has poll options, so it can't be that hard and expensive to set something up...
Seems to me most posting on this forum are internet trolls! That much is certain.how about you close the computer screen and get your flabby lovehandles on the treadmill
This thread should be closed. Too much crap from Bob even for me.
Vince, you look very menacing, scary in fact!
That gaze of yours sends cold shivers through me. Your look is disturbing!
You remind me of this weird old man who lived at the bottom of my street when i was a child. He frightened all the children in the neighbourhood.
Vince, you are the personification of all things evil.
Only a woman could write like that! No wonder 'Hank' won't post a photo, etc. Just a hunch.
Vince, you look very menacing, scary in fact!
That gaze of yours sends cold shivers through me. Your look is disturbing!
You remind me of this weird old man who lived at the bottom of my street when i was a child. He frightened all the children in the neighbourhood.
Vince, you are the personification of all things evil.
Only a woman could write like that! No wonder 'Hank' won't post a photo, etc. Just a hunch.
No one who knows me would suggest that! Have a look at 'Hank's' posts. No guy goes around saying stuff like that. You know, complimenting guys then chastising them either at the same time or later. Something not right there. Then 'Hank' posted disturbing things about me from looking at my photo. That is bizarre and might reveal some awful experience that person had as a child. If 'Hank' isn't a woman then he is oriented like a woman.don't go away mad, just go away........
This forum resembles The Jerry Springer Show! The worst forum in the history of the internet and proud of it! It is fun most of the time.
Well, except when one becomes the target like when the crowd asks questions at the end of the show.
No one who knows me would suggest that! Have a look at 'Hank's' posts. No guy goes around saying stuff like that. You know, complimenting guys then chastising them either at the same time or later. Something not right there. Then 'Hank' posted disturbing things about me from looking at my photo. That is bizarre and might reveal some awful experience that person had as a child. If 'Hank' isn't a woman then he is oriented like a woman.
This forum resembles The Jerry Springer Show! The worst forum in the history of the internet and proud of it! It is fun most of the time.
Well, except when one becomes the target like when the crowd asks questions at the end of the show.
As a child, i was told to be very wary of men like you.
Vince you're a delusional old bear. Hope this helps.one of the few things I agree with you on.
QED!ABC
This adolescent message board
thank you
you stick that nose so far "up there" your whole face turn brown...hahaahhahahahaa thats funny
I like more discrete brown-nosers...Professional kind...
as you can see from every post/thread initiated by bob or shawn on this subject, Milos is the target.
notice how they keep saying what Milos should have done/not done.
funny how Milos wasn't even the one competing.
both bob AND shawn did a double act on Milos iti. silvio was just the pawn.
this was obvious to me as soon as the 'athletes rep' came on the board to gloat about silvio not wanting any part of Milos anymore.
bob is back pedalling now, but make no mistake he was absolutely part of the double act on silvio at the prejudging. he knew very well that when shawn texted sivio stating 'there is nothing i can do for you now' that silvio would come straight to him.
what did he tell silvio?
'don't worry buddy, Milos tried to fuck you but i'll look after you now.'
again, this is not hard to figure out people. in fact shawn himself has put his foot straight in his mouth with that one precious line right at the top of his singular reply,
""YOU" Posted them on the Internet in Breach of Silvios Contract without his knowledge!"
quote by shawn ray himself.
someone (ifbb/anyone) please explain to me how a man can breach his contract if said 'breach' was without his knowledge'?
you don't have to be a intelligent or a lawyer to figure this one out.
YOU CAN'T BREACH ANY FUCKING THING IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
you also don't have to be intelligent to see that shawn and bob were in this together.
and you don't have to be a competitive bber to figure out that former and current 'athletes reps' singling out a top competitor right before stepping on stage at the prejudging to get at his trainer/manager has got to be one of the most disgusting acts an athlete's representative can do in any sport.
Bob,
how many people voted for you to be the "athletes rep" ?
do you have a list of names of people that are supposedely "behind your every move"?
None....Jim Manion appointed me after Shawn stepped down.
Yes...the list are the IFBB pro's that have benefitted from the changes...including more money, health care plan, more qualifying places, ability to make non sanctioned apperances, etc, etc....
Here's a news flash for you smartguy....thats why we have a R E P R E S E N T A V E...YOU KNOW...TO REPRESENT ALL THE PRO'S.....Much like we have "the house of representatives" and senators, etc.
Nothing gets past you, huh?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I posted my photos because several were bagging me about my body composition.... Not one person said I look okay. Don't you people find that odd?
bob
read this very carefully:
to breach is a wilfull act. one must actively DO this act.
silvio did NOT post his pics on Milos' site ie "DO this act", therefore he DID NOT breach his contract.
'ignorance is no excuse' would only apply if silvio actually did the act.
do you understand yet ???
As far as the rest - Silvio is now in your hands - as he definitely deserves you...I have nothing more to say about that...
I got him two contracts
"Nothing more" lasted three dots.
bob
read this very carefully:
to breach is a wilfull act. one must actively DO this act.
silvio did NOT post his pics on Milos' site ie "DO this act", therefore he DID NOT breach his contract.
'ignorance is no excuse' would only apply if silvio actually did the act.
do you understand yet ???
The athlete is accountable for his likeness...PERIOD.
Do you understand yet?
In Saudi Arabia, an unmaried woman is held accountable for her virginity...PERIOD.
Doesn't matter if she's raped... she still gets stoned to death for not being a virgin.
Same logic, Bob... I think you'd do well in the Arab world! :D
great analogy...
If Milos held a gun to his head....
I'll bet I can take a picture of you without holding a gun to your head. Hell, even $20 Lou Ferrigno gets unauthorized snaps taken of him all the time.
we're not talking about candid pictures...
Does the contract specify what is/ is not a "candid shot"?
For example, I walk up to you and shove a camera in your face and say "smile Bob", what are you gonna do, cower and run away? Of course not... you'll probably smile and shoot a "thumbs up" or something. If I then toss the pics up on Getbig, are you in breach of your contract?
After all, "the athlete is held responsible for his likeness...PERIOD."
yes, it does.
there have been a million pics posted online from expo's, with fans etc.....
nobody likes my analogy?
;D
Not really, Ben.
And, I took many pictures.
He won't answer you because you are right.
And, I took many pictures. Hide took many. Oscar. Milamar. Owen. Even Milos' 9 year old daughter!
...saying Milos took the pictures and Milos posted them is stupid. Not a single photographer in the bunch. Not a single dime made from the photos. Not a single pre-meditated photo. All candid.
Candid photos are fine...specific photos posted on Milos website was not, as was explained to him by Robin Chang. It doesn't matter if you AGREE with their policy...they write the check.It's not stupid, it's the facts.
But I'd like to ask you Chick - why do you keep bringing this up when Ron said it was a non-issue and Silvio was never in danger of loosing his contract? Is Ron wrong? And Shawn was just playing a mean trick?
And if Ron is wrong, why bring this up now? With Silvio? Did he have a poison pill in his contract that none of the other bbers who worked w/ Milos had? If so, that poison pill could easily be fought (and my guess won) in court.
Just a couple more relevant questions you won't answer.
He was asking for NAMES Bob...Not your assumption of who must be grateful for all those wonderful things you did... ::)
You can start with the names ANYTIME... ;)
garraeth just doesnt get it ::)nobody gets it doofus, explain it to us.
nobody gets it doofus, explain it to us.
Why Silvio?
Why now?
Why right before he went on stage?
Why would Silvio ask Bob to get involved, if he had been working, living, eating, training, etc,etc,etc with Milos?
Why would Sean Rey give Silvio free furniture, suspiciously at this time?
Why would Bob spend all this time/energy defending Sean and himself?
Where is Sean to answer for his actions?
Why does Sean like "that kind" of "woman"?
Why does sgt.d hang off of Seans nuts like they were gravy?
Answer these ?'s
sgt. d just doesn't get it ::)
Wow what a meltdown. Im so far in your head :-*actually you're not in my head, I don't even think of you unless I read your posts. I want answers to these ?'s, you spouted off at the mouth like you know, so answer them or STFU stupid :-*
So Ron is wrong. We now know that. Does he?
Candid photos are ok. What's the difference between candid and what was taken at Milos' gym? We aught to clear this up since all bbers will forever be responsible for all photos taken of them.
And, Shawn is an ass. We already knew that...
And you didn't answer Goatboy's or my question about why now, and why Silvio -- specifically? After all these years and all these previous bodybuilders.
Your retorts are always so profound Shawn. With such an IQ, you aught to run for President (the guy who runs the USA).
So Ron is wrong. We now know that. Does he?
Ron is only "wrong" in that he only knew so much...obviously, I knew all the details as I was the one nr=egotiating with Robin on Silvios behalf.
Candid photos are ok. What's the difference between candid and what was taken at Milos' gym? We aught to clear this up since all bbers will forever be responsible for all photos taken of them.
Easy..."candid" photo's are one taken at Expos, seminars, appearances, with fans, etc....this differs from photo's taken by photographers, magazine people, and industry people taking them for the specific purpose(s), like posting them on THEIR websites to promote themselves, or their sites, etc.
AMI is paying the athlete for this exclusivity...and have cracked down on it lately. Silvio is not the first to receive a warning in these reguards. If it gets out of control..whats the point of paying the athlete?
And, Shawn is an ass. We already knew that...
And you didn't answer Goatboy's or my question about why now, and why Silvio -- specifically? After all these years and all these previous bodybuilders.
This isn't anything thats "now", it's always been...and the rules getting more and more "bent" as the internet gets bigger puts the company in a "zero tolerance" position.
Easy..."candid" photo's are one taken at Expos, seminars, appearances, with fans, etc....this differs from photo's taken by photographers, magazine people, and industry people taking them for the specific purpose(s), like posting them on THEIR websites to promote themselves, or their sites, etc.
Actually, he didn't answer my question about whether Milos' claim that contracted athletes are allowed to post pics on their own site, and whether if true this isn't just procedural BS?
That's not neccessarily true, as contracts and companies vary in what they will allow. Many companies request that the athlete DOES NOT post pics on their own sites, as they wish to drive traffic to their own site...thats what they're paying for. Most athletes would have nomproblem with this, as they can collect a check every month for this right...or post pics all day long for FREE and make peanuts.
Further, he never explained why these pics were not "candid" under the definition used in the contract. Especially now that we know YOU (and other fans) took many of them. Chick... how on god's green earth can you even try to argue that a pic taken by frickin' Garreath, in a gym open to the public is not a "candid" shot as defined by the contract? I guess if I walk into Gold's Venice while you're there, get you to pose for a snap or two, then post them on Milos' website you're screwed, huh?
What , exactly, dont you understand here? I've explained it as simply as I can....YES...you can take all the pics as a fan the athlete will allow. Different worlds.
How is Garraeth (and other fans that work out at Milos' gym who took pics) an "industry person"?
THEY'RE NOT.What is the definition of an "industry person" in the contract?
This isn't anything thats "now", it's always been...and the rules getting more and more "bent" as the internet gets bigger puts the company in a "zero tolerance" position.
How is Garraeth (and other fans that work out at Milos' gym who took pics) an "industry person"?
THEY'RE NOT.
What , exactly, dont you understand here? I've explained it as simply as I can....YES...you can take all the pics as a fan the athlete will allow. Different worlds.
So does this mean all the pics Rick, Oscar, Hide, Milamar, Alex and I took are fair game?
All those named are just fans.
Then why are pics taken by Garraeth and posted on Milos' site a problem for Silvio?
What pics?
Apparently, some of the pics on Milos' site that Robin was bitching about were taken by Garraeth.
Apparently, some of the pics on Milos' site that Robin was bitching about were taken by Garraeth.
So does this mean all the pics Rick, Oscar, Hide, Milamar, Alex and I took are fair game?not just Garraeth, fans of all shapes and sizes ;D
All those named are just fans.
Anyone have contact info for AMI or Robin Chang?
HAS ANYONE COMPLAINED?8)
Post all the thumbs up poses you can...!
Ok, but why do you call it a "photo shoot" when I take the pictures? I'm just a fan, remember? I'm not Issac. I've NEVER EVER done photography.Finally you are starting to see the light.
So what if I, as a fan, took pictures of Silvio today? And posted them today?
And it sounds like part of the problem lies in posting the pictures to Milos' site. Can I post them to my website? TeamMustafa.com?
Now you guys see why the athlete under contract is to be held responsible...is any time you take a picture of a pro considered a photo shoot?
If the pics were taken BEFORE all this bullshit, then there is no problem.
If you took pics TODAY, then yes...it's a problem.
If Silvio did a photo shoot for Garreth to post on Milos' site, then it's a problem.
I'm not going to go over every single senario....common sense would answer most of your questions.
Now you guys see why the athlete under contract is to be held responsible...
If the pics were taken BEFORE all this bullshit, then there is no problem.
If you took pics TODAY, then yes...it's a problem.
If Silvio did a photo shoot for Garreth to post on Milos' site, then it's a problem.
I'm not going to go over every single senario....common sense would answer most of your questions.
Ok, but why do you call it a "photo shoot" when I take the pictures? I'm just a fan, remember? I'm not Issac. I've NEVER EVER done photography.
So what if I, as a fan, took pictures of Silvio today? And posted them today?
Then Silvio would be in deep shit and probably have a months salary docked.
And it sounds like part of the problem lies in posting the pictures to Milos' site. Can I post them to my website? TeamMustafa.com?
Once again..if you have casual photo's of you guys shaking hands....standing there giving the thumbs up...standing in front of the gym, etc...then no, it's not a problem...never has been.
How was Silvio supposed to know what the hell Garraeth planned to do with the pics he took? That's the whole fuccking problem here.
Well...If Silvio went and changed into his trinks and went through all mandatory poses, etc. Then he should know better or if there is a question, then he could ASK what the pics are for.
And when dealing with legal contractual issues, no you can't "just use common sense", since what might be common sense to one party to the contract might not be to the other party. That's the whole point of written contracts and spelling everything out in detail.
And it is written out in detail...and then was explained PERSONALLY to Silvio AND Milos...
I've answered ever "relevant" question with an equally relevant answer..
Are these meetings mandatory?
There are more then 200 IFBB pro's (Shawn had to get close to 100 in 2003 to be the rep, so now, 4 years later there have to be more than that with several other guys turning pro)
What number of pro's do you expect to come to Columbus or Vegas to attend this meeting?
A ticket from Europe/Russia/South America/Australia is quite expensive and cost of living is not the best in a few european countries, even for a few American pros it can be difficult (financially) to make it to 1 of these shows.
With modern technology (internet), don't you think the idea that was presented before by 2-3 other members is more feasible and honest then actually attending these meetings?
Why can't the IFBB (or you) set up a forum like this and make it IFBB pro entrees only where all can (have to?) vote?
Maybe have the proposals translated in different languages as well (IFBB) so nobody has an excuse to say they didn't understand the proposal because it's in english.
This forum has poll options, so it can't be that hard and expensive to set something up...
Wow. Ok.
That's what I wanted to know. So no more pictures of Silvio.
Do you know what's in the contract for any of the other competitors here now? Wolf, James, Armond? Before I fuck them up, I need to know. Cuz I've been taking pictures of them too...
Oh, and don't supposed you know when Silvio's contract is up? Cuz I'll wait to post them after that happens...so he'll be ok.
Ahh crap...now I have to ask: All the pictures I ever took were just working out (fully clothed)...so, are those ok?
(like the ones in the training thread in the training board http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.0)
What was not 'relevant' about this question then?
So no posted pics before a show? Everyday is a "before" the next show pic.....
Bob, you will be like a dog chasing your tail on this one. You CANT control photos with the internet................ ..Your going to screw all the athletes eventually.
"YOU'RE"??
It's not MY contract...It's not MY company...They're not MY rules.
And yes, the ATHLETE can control what photo's the CHOOSE to pose for and with who...it's been done for a loooooooong time.
I'm merely interpreting the rules for those who dont understand them...
Ok, but why do you call it a "photo shoot" when I take the pictures? I'm just a fan, remember? I'm not Issac. I've NEVER EVER done photography.
So what if I, as a fan, took pictures of Silvio today? And posted them today?
Then Silvio would be in deep shit and probably have a months salary docked.
How was Silvio supposed to know what the hell Garraeth planned to do with the pics he took? That's the whole fuccking problem here.
Well...If Silvio went and changed into his trinks and went through all mandatory poses, etc. Then he should know better or if there is a question, then he could ASK what the pics are for.
So posing trunks are the issue?? Why didn't you just say so. "No posing trunk shots". You could have saved 28 pages of arguments. ::)
Just using the word "YOU'RE" is an incomplete sentance, idiot. :D
LOL. Shmoes like em in their underwear anyway........line em up!!! 8)
So if Silvio just happens to decide one day to work out in daisy-dukes jean shorts, red suspenders, work boots, and a cut-up flanel shirt/vest thing, and Garraeth snaps a few pics and posts them, no problem, right Bob? ::)
And correcting YOUR incorrect usage of the word "YOUR", when it should have read "YOU'RE" makes YOU the idiot.
You're welcome. ;D
It seems to be a big deal around here.....you are not the first to bring it up. :-\
Anyway BOB, why are my arms more muscular than yours when im a drug free BB??
Because you jerk-off 12 times a day switching hands every other time?haha ;D
Working with a "push/ pull" system?
Because you jerk-off 12 times a day switching hands every other time?
Working with a "push/ pull" system?
See...Your....an amatuer...its 15 times a day. :D
You are a slacker. The push stroke will give you an outer tricep and pull is for the brocolli muscle. :o
DAMN, you done fucked up this time :-\
See...Your....an amatuer...its 15 times a day. :D
You are a slacker. The push stroke will give you an outer tricep and pull is for the brocolli muscle. :o
Brocolli muscle? Is that located next to the pea's and carrots muscle?
Because you jerk-off 12 times a day switching hands every other time?
Working with a "push/ pull" system?
I think the thread should end in an absurdity where everyone is arguing abouttheretheir take onweatherwhetheritsit's your or you're.
Melvin said hispeacepiece, saw the error of his ways, and hasn't posted here since. That says it all. Business as usual. Open the gate down there for the sheep. On the other hand, most bodybuilders only dream about posing in the Olympia and making the top 5. At least the lads love the almighty dollar and that is so reassuring. For a while there I thought principles might also be important.
daisy-dukes jean shorts, red suspenders, work boots, and a cut-up flanel shirt/vest thing IS the problem! ;D
what have we learnt?
We learned that it's okay to have pictures taken without jeopardizing your contract, so long as you're not wearing posing trunks! Granted, it took 29 pages of hard arguing to get this out of Bob, but it was worth it because we now know clearly what the rules are.
We learned that it's okay to have pictures taken without jeopardizing your contract, so long as you're not wearing posing trunks! Granted, it took 29 pages of hard arguing to get this out of Bob, but it was worth it because we now know clearly what the rules are.
29 pages
what have we learnt?
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
the athletes rep doesn't feel the need to consult the athletes on issues that concern them.
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
Increased the per diem amount
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
Rock the Vote!
Bob,
You don't need to justify your actions to clowns on this board. We know you have the best interest of the athlete at heart. Thanks for doing all you do for the sport with no compensation! At the end of the day, you have made competing much better.
Well...hold on now, Bubba.
Maybe Milos is right...maybe I did assume too much in thinking these athletes wanted to make more money, and have more opportunities, etc....maybe I was a little to zealous in my actions and taking the lead when nothings been done for YEARS, despite various athletes efforts of occasionally saying that "this isn't right" and "things need to change"...followed by zero action.
Maybe my vision of more exposure, bigger paydays, more contracts and fairer conditions ISN'T shared by anyone else except myself...I may have erred in my judgement.
I will take Milos' advices and POLL the athletes (and you know how painful that can be..!) and see how many of these proposals that I've selfishly submitted...they want reversed.
I do pledge that as the current athletes rep...I will abide by the vote, and have recinded any and all changes that have been made in the athletes favor, by majority vote of said athletes.
NOW we can get back to partying like it's 1999!!
Well...hold on now, Bubba.
Maybe Milos is right...maybe I did assume too much in thinking these athletes wanted to make more money, and have more opportunities, etc....maybe I was a little to zealous in my actions and taking the lead when nothings been done for YEARS, despite various athletes efforts of occasionally saying that "this isn't right" and "things need to change"...followed by zero action.
Maybe my vision of more exposure, bigger paydays, more contracts and fairer conditions ISN'T shared by anyone else except myself...I may have erred in my judgement.
I will take Milos' advices and POLL the athletes (and you know how painful that can be..!) and see how many of these proposals that I've selfishly submitted...they want reversed.
I do pledge that as the current athletes rep...I will abide by the vote, and have recinded any and all changes that have been made in the athletes favor, by majority vote of said athletes.
NOW we can get back to partying like it's 1999!!
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
Increased the per diem amount
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
Rock the Vote!
Your hair never left 1999. :-\
You could learn a lot if you had any comprehension skills....obviously, you don't.
Yeah, but you know in the "real world", no bodybuilder is going to take AMI/IFBB/whomever to court or raise any kind of stink...a bit 'o pressure and the bber will, for sure, cave (see: Melvin Anthony). Too expensive, and burns too many bridges.
Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...
And, for Chick - I'd definately NOT lay this at his feet.
Yeah, but you know in the "real world", no bodybuilder is going to take AMI/IFBB/whomever to court or raise any kind of stink...a bit 'o pressure and the bber will, for sure, cave (see: Melvin Anthony). Too expensive, and burns too many bridges.
Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...
And, for Chick - I'd definately NOT lay this at his feet.
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
Increased the per diem amount
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
Rock the Vote!
GREAT SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE TO MAKING A GUEST APPERANCE AT A NON IFBB SHOW...AND COMPETING IN ONE????? YOU ARE ON POSTER PEOPLE COME TO SEE YOU ...YOU GET MONEY.............WHATS THE DIFFERENCE.............. .??????????????
The point here Lee is that he has made significant strides in improving the sport for the athlete. You made your choice and we respect that. The IFBB has there rules and you must choose to obey or walk. You walked, but ohters stayed understading the rules...wonder why?
YES I WONDER WHY...IF THEY CAN GUEST POSE AT NON IFBB EVENT WHY CANT THEY COMPETE....YOU ARE ON STAGE POSING GETTING MONEY........SAME THING ISNT IT....AND I ASKED WHY THEY CANT ...NOT ME............I AM DONE.......RETIRED FROM IT ALL........RACING IS MORE FUN.....NOW RON DELETE MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN GET OUT OF THIS BB WORLD
Last time I heard Bob Chick was the Rep, you are out of your element and should not speak on this, unless you wish to admit that you are a certain Ex-Pro with a taste for trannies and who's mom was arrested for Cocaine. ;D
You should seek help. Shawn's with trannies is scary. Didn't you get popped for Cocaine usage last year. This is why you are still chasing that allusive pro card. Stay of the recreational drugs and train my friend.
Nope you got me confused with another comp. I'm a Meth guy, Coke is for pussies. ::)
YES I WONDER WHY...IF THEY CAN GUEST POSE AT NON IFBB EVENT WHY CANT THEY COMPETE....YOU ARE ON STAGE POSING GETTING MONEY........SAME THING ISNT IT....AND I ASKED WHY THEY CANT ...NOT ME............I AM DONE.......RETIRED FROM IT ALL........RACING IS MORE FUN.....NOW RON DELETE MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN GET OUT OF THIS BB WORLD
no one said an IFBB PRO can guest pose at a non sanctioned event...
good luck in your retirement.
Bob,thanks blubber
You don't need to justify your actions to clowns on this board. We know you have the best interest of the athlete at heart. Thanks for doing all you do for the sport with no compensation! At the end of the day, you have made competing much better.
Just curious -- did you try going around Chick (or any of you other bbers complaining about Chick)? Getting past the gatekeeper. Thinking outside the box. Write up a polished proposal and submit it (to the boss, not Chick).
I used to do this all the time -- and got several of my ideas implemented after my immediate boss shot them down ;D
Sure, Chick will hate your guts for stepping on his toes, but all the other bbers and the boss will think you're da-bomb. Great brown-nosing tactic too! hehe.
BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCKAs much as you and Lee bicker, you should start doing this Bob. It doesn't sound too hard for ya. Like Lee said, the competitors are lazy so you need to seek them out. They'll probably just go along with your ideas, however this way you're covering your ass. No one can say you didn't get the competitors approval.
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes
Or, they'll end up like Lee Priest...
Lee just sold the General Lee for $9.9 million on eBay.
I'd say he's done alright for himself.
;D
Lee is a pathological liar. Why do little men always tell such big lies? Baffling
no one said an IFBB PRO can guest pose at a non sanctioned event...
Sure you can.
Just man up and do it.
Don't let another man tell you how you can earn a living. !
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SIT ON YOUR COMPUTER PULLING YOUR COCK IS THE QUESTION HERE.....
Lee is a pathological liar. Why do little men always tell such big lies? Baffling
Lee, i dont want to get into a war with you!
Get over the 'little guy' hang-up you have.
Start telling the truth and get a life outside of this pathetic-adolescent-message-board you have become so obsessed with!
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM AND YOU NEVER POST HERE........FUCK ARE YOU AN IDIOT OR WHAT??? TRY USING REAL NAME
Lee, why are you taking the bait? Are you that stupid?
daisy-dukes jean shorts, red suspenders, work boots, and a cut-up flanel shirt/vest thing IS the problem! ;D
I find it funny how Chic brags about the $4,000 he got the guys in the Olympia. What did you do tell them to take the $40,000 from the comparison round since there is no more and divert it to last place finishers. The money was already there. And to brag about raising the money for just one show that affects only 10 people is kind of embarassing yet you love to brag about it and make it sound like you changed the entire face of BB. How about raising the money at all the shows and making it mandatory for all competitors to get some kind of money. Do that, help more than just 10 guys. Help ALL the competitors at all the shows. Do something worth bragging about and something monumental. Get the prize money raised at all events. The PDI is just one year old and the prize money they give away is more than 80% of ALL the IFBB shows in the world. Aren't you just a little embarrased over this. TexasBlubber is the richest guy on GetBig he has said so and you backed him up about "being loaded" How much money has he contributed to sponsoring shows Is he just another big mouth who can't and won't put his money where he mouth is. Chic you are an executive with the largest BB website in the World. Don't you have any power to get them to donate money for prizes. Hell you use them enough to promote BB.com. It's about time they start paying and getting the prize money up where it isn't is embarassing. The Hot Dog eating champion makes more.
The previous three posters, including "phyxsius" = self-absorbed windbags
Hope this helps
The previous three posters, including "phyxsius" = self-absorbed windbags
Hope this helps
You are an intelligent person Goatbag. I will acknowledge that!
Your posts are clever and witty!
You are obviously an educated person.
Keep up the good work.
Goatbag, keep the posts coming. Just ignore all the attacks and hatred that you cop!
You are a funny bastard!
Too many have left Getbig because they find the baseless attacks to hard on the ego.
Again, ignore all the hating and keep on doing what you do best; spanking on and on and on!
Maybe being old and senile would be better than reading the crap I am witnessing here. First of all, as a past bodybuilding champion, I resent the fact that I have no possible voice in what happens in the professional division of the IFBB and even the amateur section. That professional division seems to be a device to control the competitors who want to compete. Nothing more and nothing less. We don't need to have flowery Bob explain things to us. We get the message. Melvin has to keep his mouth shut or he will be sorry. Silvio had better smarten up or else. Who gives a hoot about justice or issues? All the arguing in the world makes no difference to those who run the Mr Olympia. Clearly it is the IFBB and AMI because contracts, etc., are involved.
We have witnessed the IFBB in action. Shawn and Bob think they are important but they are only pawns and foot soldiers for higher up.
The issues about being able to compete wherever anyone wants is swept under the carpet. The IFBB doesn't allow it. If you don't comprehend then see Bob. The issue about photos is something important for the fans and what do we find? Same control from the top business restrictions. We get the message. It sucks and Bob and Shawn might get certificates and plaques from the IFBB for their services but they aren't doing the sport any favours.
Why should the fans have to suffer because the IFBB and AMI and even Arnold cannot do the right thing re testing for drugs? Clearly the sport is tainted by that scandal and nothing is being doing to change anything. The women lost the plot long ago.
Sure the PDI is waiting in the wings. So what? The IFBB should show some leadership and enforce their own rules re drugs and then overhaul the whole process and system re judging contests. Nothing less will be good enough.
There are a lot of people who are ashamed of the sport. Can't you people see this?
you're old and senile.
I've answered ever "relevant" question with an equally relevant answer..
Are these meetings mandatory?
There are more then 200 IFBB pro's (Shawn had to get close to 100 in 2003 to be the rep, so now, 4 years later there have to be more than that with several other guys turning pro)
What number of pro's do you expect to come to Columbus or Vegas to attend this meeting?
A ticket from Europe/Russia/South America/Australia is quite expensive and cost of living is not the best in a few european countries, even for a few American pros it can be difficult (financially) to make it to 1 of these shows.
With modern technology (internet), don't you think the idea that was presented before by 2-3 other members is more feasible and honest then actually attending these meetings?
Why can't the IFBB (or you) set up a forum like this and make it IFBB pro entrees only where all can (have to?) vote?
Maybe have the proposals translated in different languages as well (IFBB) so nobody has an excuse to say they didn't understand the proposal because it's in english.
This forum has poll options, so it can't be that hard and expensive to set something up...
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
*****Asking for more money AFTER ALL OF US RAISED HELL FOR YEARS THAT CULMINATED AT THE OLYMPIA - WAS LOGICAL AND EXPECTED...and it was Shawn's job at the time...but he didn't do it...
Kerry Keyes and others jumped in to donate few extra bucks for Olympian's that would not get any money...and IF I AM NOT MISTAKING - even Lee Priest gave some donation -personally!
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
***** Who knows about it? How many have enrolled? Got a list? Did you send the info to possibly interested parties?
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
***** Now THIS is debatable and SHOULD be voted for...After all decades long "top 10 at the Olympia qualify for the next year's event" was REDUCED to only TOP SIX as there was the urge for TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDERS entering "smaller shows"...
Is INCREASED AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING SPOTS WISE DECISION?
We'll see when Mr. Olympia gets 30+ competitors on the stage....
Increased the per diem amount
***** Wow...From $50 to what $75?...after years of inflation?
And WHO EXACTLY GETS per diem?
In good old days - promoters would invite and PAY for flights, accommodations and per diem FOR NUMEROUS ATHLETES (10 and sometimes more...who would sign contract to compete...)
What do we have now?
Promoters hardly pay for anyone (IF ANY AT ALL?)...so you have increased per diem to brag about?
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
***** Nobel prize goes to...
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
***** NPC tradition...that is now IFBB new way of doing 1ST ROUND - due to Bob's belief that athletes SHOULD just accept what he serves them - without asking to vote!
Democracy at it's best ;).
This is JUST ONE OF EXAMPLE where Bob clearly puts himself as DECISION MAKER for the athletes without EVER even asking let allone getting approval from MAJORITY of us...
Most of the athletes DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT...Even some competitors on stage this year didn't know what to do...as NOBODY HAD A CLUE that Bob proposed this change.
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
***** MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED EVERYONE?
MAYBE?
There ARE many pros out there that did NOT want any (or some) of these changes...and it was really nice of you to ASK...
Good job Bob ;).
Rock the Vote!
**** Rock the Vote!
SEE YOU SATURDAY...Maybe you can bring some of your lists with you - so you could show us all your list of names of "MANY ATHLETES WHO AGREE WITH YOU WHILE ONLY MILOS COMPLAINS"....
Well...hold on now, Bubba.
Maybe Milos is right...maybe I did assume too much in thinking these athletes wanted to make more money, and have more opportunities, etc....maybe I was a little to zealous in my actions and taking the lead when nothings been done for YEARS, despite various athletes efforts of occasionally saying that "this isn't right" and "things need to change"...followed by zero action.
Maybe my vision of more exposure, bigger paydays, more contracts and fairer conditions ISN'T shared by anyone else except myself...I may have erred in my judgement.
I will take Milos' advices and POLL the athletes (and you know how painful that can be..!) and see how many of these proposals that I've selfishly submitted...they want reversed.
I do pledge that as the current athletes rep...I will abide by the vote, and have recinded any and all changes that have been made in the athletes favor, by majority vote of said athletes.
NOW we can get back to partying like it's 1999!!
For once I agree with you, Vince....
you're old and senile.
I guess senile guys can do what they like around here, just like everyone else!What the fuck does this have to do with this thread? ???
Here is a leg extension I made in 1985. I modified it yesterday to change the angle. Works well. Will paint it soon. Why hasn't anyone seen this improvement in the leg extension before? Feels much better.
In the background is my biceps-supinator machine. The only one installed in a gym in the known universe.
Third photo is what the original leg extension looked like.
Senility was mentioned. Get it?
self-absorbed windbag
Why argue when it is a total waste of time?
Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
*****Asking for more money AFTER ALL OF US RAISED HELL FOR YEARS THAT CULMINATED AT THE OLYMPIA - WAS LOGICAL AND EXPECTED...and it was Shawn's job at the time...but he didn't do it...
Kerry Keyes and others jumped in to donate few extra bucks for Olympian's that would not get any money...and IF I AM NOT MISTAKING - even Lee Priest gave some donation -personally!
Yeah...all that "raising hell" really got a lot accomplished...thats exactly what you do...talk louder, rant and rave...and get zero results
***** You are forgeting that among other things (not need to mention NOW) I took the microphone at the press conference ASKING Wayne exactly that:
"Mike Tyson can be knocked out and get millions for it as well as Michael Jordan could miss every shot and still get paid...So, why are these athletes /POINTING AT OLYMPIA COMPETITORS (and I do believe YOU WERE COMPETING that year)/ are getting NO DIME?"
And that was my comment after ridiculous statement from Wayne that: "if the athletes know they would get paid anyway - they would not need to train hard, look good and be ready...so ONLY top ten should be paid...as others would not be deserving of any financial award..."
Wayne stopped me with: "Just put it in writing..."
Have I known that IFBB position was available and it was as easy as calling Jim ::)instead of maybe: SENDING LETTERS AND E-MAILS TO EACH AND EVERY IFBB PRO ATHLETE WHO IS INTERESTED FOR THE ATHLETES REP POSITION to apply by certain day - I certainly WOULD have challenge you and have a very good feeling - easily got that position IF VOTES of the athletes would be determining factor...
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
***** Who knows about it? How many have enrolled? Got a list? Did you send the info to possibly interested parties?
Everyone should know about it...emails were sent out, info was posted on line, I've personally told anyone within earshot, it was discussed on radio, other Athlete reps were given full details and packets.
*****It would be nice if FOR CHANGE you start with ANSWERS and LISTS OF NAMES (I asked you that just - every single time).
So again: HOW MANY HAVE ENROLLED? GOT A LIST?
Now, can you maybe send that Email again or better yet - post here exact Email - so we can all see it FOR THE FIRST TIME...
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
***** Now THIS is debatable and SHOULD be voted for...After all decades long "top 10 at the Olympia qualify for the next year's event" was REDUCED to only TOP SIX as there was the urge for TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDERS entering "smaller shows"...
Is INCREASED AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING SPOTS WISE DECISION?
We'll see when Mr. Olympia gets 30+ competitors on the stage....
I never liked the top 10 requalifying, and am glad they changed it. What other sport allows for a free pass to the top 10? Does nothing but REDUCE the amount of talent in the other shows which leads to smaller line-ups, which leads to LESS MONEY.
I don't see where getting the 4th place bump when all others are qualified is anything but justified....
*****INTERESTING OPINION...yet I will respect it as IT IS YOUR OPINION...Now, did you respect OPINIONS of ALL THE ATHLETES and ask them what they WANT YOU TO DO IN THIS MANNER?
You took the liberty to DECIDE FOR EVERYONE - and requested this change solely upon WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU THINK - and who gives a flying f... if athletes thinks any different!
That's just another example of your: "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU - LIKE IT OR NOT it is going to change as "I THE MIGHTY BOB SAID SO"...
As I said - examples like this should be enough to immediately get you OFF your position or at least you should get official warning that YOU CANNOT and that means ABSOLUTELLY CANNOT make another request WITHOUT getting approval from the MAJORITY of the pros...
Increased the per diem amount
***** Wow...From $50 to what $75?...after years of inflation?
And WHO EXACTLY GETS per diem?
In good old days - promoters would invite and PAY for flights, accommodations and per diem FOR NUMEROUS ATHLETES (10 and sometimes more...who would sign contract to compete...)
What do we have now?
Promoters hardly pay for anyone (IF ANY AT ALL?)...so you have increased per diem to brag about?
It's not exactly bragging rights, but another step in the right direction...Promoters are individuals, I already put in a proposal to have a mandatory increase every 2nd year...it was rejected. One more reason why the IFBB should be running their own shows...not promoters.
***** Doing it alone - without EVERYONE behind you could and will bring numerous rejections...
I for change - DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER - IF I HAVE MAJORITY TO REPRESENT...and certainly IF (WHEN) I get a chance to prove HOW YOUR JOB SHOULD BE DONE you (and others) will see that WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT CAUSE - YOU MUST AND YOU WILL PREVAIL...no ifs or but's about it....
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
***** Nobel prize goes to...
So, you dont have a problem with THAT one? I'm shocked.
****Did I say I have no problem with THAT one?
I just pointed out that this is NOT a Nobel prize worthy accomplishment and IF THAT is all you can brag about it - than maybe you (after all it was your idea and your concern) maybe should go to non sanctioned shows...etc...
And "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU BOB" - if this shocks you be ready this Saturday to be "ELECTRICUTED"...
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
***** NPC tradition...that is now IFBB new way of doing 1ST ROUND - due to Bob's belief that athletes SHOULD just accept what he serves them - without asking to vote!
Democracy at it's best .
This is JUST ONE OF EXAMPLE where Bob clearly puts himself as DECISION MAKER for the athletes without EVER even asking let allone getting approval from MAJORITY of us...
Most of the athletes DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT...Even some competitors on stage this year didn't know what to do...as NOBODY HAD A CLUE that Bob proposed this change.
Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?
****OK smartass - show me WHERE YOU REPETADLY ASKED ME to name disadvantages?
If you remember - in our phone conversation when I was STOPPING you from making yet another mistake (as you wanted to change 3rd round as well - AND request STOP JUDGING THE POSING ROUND) I insisted that posing round is not being judged as how people pose...rather HOW THEY PRESENT THEIR PHYSIQUES...and that more often than not every particular athlete does have numerous spectacular poses OTHER THAN MANDATORIES where he/she could show to judges quality of their physique and get points for it...
After our long talk - you agreed with me and suggested that instead of hitting only 8 mandatory shots in the first round - we should have "NPC style" and do MORE than just mandatories in "allowed time"...
I actually LIKE THAT IDEA and I think it is great...I will go as far and say: I LOVE IT...and I told you the same - during that phone conversation...
However, just because YOU and I love it - doesn't mean that others will...and it was YOUR DUTY as the athletes rep to inform every athlete and get majority votes BEFORE you would make a request to CHANGE decades long tradition....
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
***** MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED EVERYONE?
MAYBE?
There ARE many pros out there that did NOT want any (or some) of these changes...and it was really nice of you to ASK...
Good job Bob .
Really? Where YOUR list Milos?? You keep asking for lists, lets see yours with all these disgruntled athletes putting more money in their pocket, covered with health care, and everything else.Rock the Vote!
***** Bob, LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU: I am not the athletes rep...YOU ARE (for the time being) and you can bet your life WHEN I REPRESENT someone EVERYONE WILL SEE the list, names...and whatever else necessary...
I was asking YOU for a list as you were so arrogantly claiming EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME EXCEPT YOU MILOS...
I didn't know that Shawn's real name was EVERYONE...so I did want to see your list - as you kept mentioning OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE ATHLETES when there was NONE...
As I did mention before - YOU ARE FRAUD...and you can easily shut me up by bringing the list this Saturday...
On another hand - I did collect a LONG LIST of people regarding the "VOTE NO TO JUDGING THE POSING ROUND" change you requested...
I did - so I can easily see IF (not that you would do something like that ::)) the athletes really support you or you just listed their names as nobody would check...
**** Rock the Vote!
SEE YOU SATURDAY...Maybe you can bring some of your lists with you - so you could show us all your list of names of "MANY ATHLETES WHO AGREE WITH YOU WHILE ONLY MILOS COMPLAINS"....
Funny, but the only thing you complain about is he way I do things...but never offer any counter of what YOU would have changed. Like a poor politician...your all smoke. Lets see what YOUR ideas are, what changes of mine YOU would have taken off the table.
You do realise that I dont have the power to change anything on my own, right? Any and all proposals are run bu the board and voted on to get approved. They don't HAVE to approve anything we put in front of them.
We have no union, no association, no leverage....Funny, but when I tried to organize a meeting to see about the possibility of forming a union...the two biggest mouths, YOU and LEE were nowhere to be found....too busy "raising hell"? THAT was the time to step up and collectively take a stand.
NOW, after the fact, and after we have at least been given a voice and changes/ progress have been made...you want to start talking tough.....PLEASE.
Quote from: Chick on Today at 08:21:23 AM
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
Yeah...all that "raising hell" really got a lot accomplished...thats exactly what you do...talk louder, rant and rave...and get zero results
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
Everyone should know about it...emails were sent out, info was posted on line, I've personally told anyone within earshot, it was discussed on radio, other Athlete reps were given full details and packets.
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
I never liked the top 10 requalifying, and am glad they changed it. What other sport allows for a free pass to the top 10? Does nothing but REDUCE the amount of talent in the other shows which leads to smaller line-ups, which leads to LESS MONEY.
I don't see where getting the 4th place bump when all others are qualified is anything but justified....
Increased the per diem amount
It's not exactly bragging rights, but another step in the right direction...Promoters are individuals, I already put in a proposal to have a mandatory increase every 2nd year...it was rejected. One more reason why the IFBB should be running their own shows...not promoters.
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
So, you dont have a problem with THAT one? I'm shocked.
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
Really? Where YOUR list Milos?? You keep asking for lists, lets see yours with all these disgruntled athletes putting more money in their pocket, covered with health care, and everything else.Rock the Vote!
Funny, but the only thing you complain about is he way I do things...but never offer any counter of what YOU would have changed. Like a poor politician...your all smoke. Lets see what YOUR ideas are, what changes of mine YOU would have taken off the table.
You do realise that I dont have the power to change anything on my own, right? Any and all proposals are run bu the board and voted on to get approved. They don't HAVE to approve anything we put in front of them.
We have no union, no association, no leverage....Funny, but when I tried to organize a meeting to see about the possibility of forming a union...the two biggest mouths, YOU and LEE were nowhere to be found....too busy "raising hell"? THAT was the time to step up and collectively take a stand.
NOW, after the fact, and after we have at least been given a voice and changes/ progress have been made...you want to start talking tough.....PLEASE.
Bob, Milos - Saturday around 6 or earlier - we will keep it focused, and not for the public viewing, thus going over issues.
I've got a booth to run, brother...better make it earlier.
BTW...if it's not for the public, what are we wasting our time on?
I guess senile guys can do what they like around here, just like everyone else!
Here is a leg extension I made in 1985. I modified it yesterday to change the angle. Works well. Will paint it soon. Why hasn't anyone seen this improvement in the leg extension before? Feels much better.
In the background is my biceps-supinator machine. The only one installed in a gym in the known universe.
Third photo is what the original leg extension looked like.
I've got a booth to run, brother...better make it earlier.BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCK
BTW...if it's not for the public, what are we wasting our time on?
Lee, suppose Bob got a majority of signatures for an issue. Then what? Does he go to The Man and tell him that if that demand isn't met, the BBs will walk?
It's just not that easy. Members of a union have to (#1) agree to join a union, and (#2)agree to be willing to strike based on how the union votes. Have we even done #1?
holy crap, I ain't reading all that
BOB COULD JUST GET 2 SHEETS OF PAPER...ONE WITH PROPOSALS ON IT THE OTHER WITH ATHLETES NAMES AND A BOX YES OR NO AND A PLACE TO SIGN....SO AT BIG SHOWS LIKE ARNOLD OR OLYMPIA...OR ANY PRO SHOW THERE ARE NORMALLY 20 PROS OR MORE COMPETING OR IN AUDIENCE OR AT COMPANY BOTH....GO AROUND AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE POINTS IF THEY AGREES TICK YES OR NO...THEN SIGN IT......ATHLETES ARE LAZY AND IF COMPETING IN OLYMPIA OR ARNOLD WILL NOT COME TO MEETING SO BOB GO TO THEM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINS EACH ATHLETE............ITS NOT SO HARD..........JUST HAVE THEM TICK AND SIGN OR HAVE A NO VOTE IF THEY REFUSE TO VOTE....EASY......PROS WILL NOT CALL YOU OR COME TO YOU SO GO TO THEM WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.........GOOD LUCK
But say it is a nameless ballot, it could still work because you would get a percentage of pros voting a certain way. You could even have Rob set it up on a web page and collect the results.
Nameless is useless as the conspiracy therorists will be out in full force with Milos leading the charge...Plus, I would never entrust pro names/ ballots, etc. to some third party (especially Rob) that has nothing to do with nothing.
Yea, I realize that people will throw a fit but there has to be someone that you, the IFBB and skeptics trust to make something electronic like that. Maybe if you and Milos went around doing this together it could alleviate a potential problem.
You got me there...I absolutely did not consult and get the approval of all the athletes when I submitted proposals to:
Raise the Prize money at the Olympia from $0-$4,000
*****Asking for more money AFTER ALL OF US RAISED HELL FOR YEARS THAT CULMINATED AT THE OLYMPIA - WAS LOGICAL AND EXPECTED...and it was Shawn's job at the time...but he didn't do it...
Kerry Keyes and others jumped in to donate few extra bucks for Olympian's that would not get any money...and IF I AM NOT MISTAKING - even Lee Priest gave some donation -personally!
Yeah...all that "raising hell" really got a lot accomplished...thats exactly what you do...talk louder, rant and rave...and get zero results
***** You are forgeting that among other things (not need to mention NOW) I took the microphone at the press conference ASKING Wayne exactly that:
"Mike Tyson can be knocked out and get millions for it as well as Michael Jordan could miss every shot and still get paid...So, why are these athletes /POINTING AT OLYMPIA COMPETITORS (and I do believe YOU WERE COMPETING that year)/ are getting NO DIME?"
And that was my comment after ridiculous statement from Wayne that: "if the athletes know they would get paid anyway - they would not need to train hard, look good and be ready...so ONLY top ten should be paid...as others would not be deserving of any financial award..."
Wayne stopped me with: "Just put it in writing..."
Look at the tape...I also told Wayne it was ridiculous and a travesty...and I was IN the show, not sitting in the audience with nothing to lose.
Have I known that IFBB position was available and it was as easy as calling Jim ::)instead of maybe: SENDING LETTERS AND E-MAILS TO EACH AND EVERY IFBB PRO ATHLETE WHO IS INTERESTED FOR THE ATHLETES REP POSITION to apply by certain day - I certainly WOULD have challenge you and have a very good feeling - easily got that position IF VOTES of the athletes would be determining factor...
You keep thinking that...
BTW, that was Wayne's idea to make Shawn jump through hoops and get a majority vote, even from pro's who weren't active in the IFBB...it was a joke.
Put together a comprehensive Group Health care package for all IFBB pro's
***** Who knows about it? How many have enrolled? Got a list? Did you send the info to possibly interested parties?
Everyone should know about it...emails were sent out, info was posted on line, I've personally told anyone within earshot, it was discussed on radio, other Athlete reps were given full details and packets.
*****It would be nice if FOR CHANGE you start with ANSWERS and LISTS OF NAMES (I asked you that just - every single time).
So again: HOW MANY HAVE ENROLLED? GOT A LIST?
No, I don't have a list...but I'm sure I could get one if it matters.
If more athletes showed up at the meetings, they would certainly know more about whats going on...Phil Heath was one of the few to atend and saw the preperations I had taken...stacks of Health care packets, and even had Kirk Lemon flown in to explain the package and answer any questions anyone had.
Now, can you maybe send that Email again or better yet - post here exact Email - so we can all see it FOR THE FIRST TIME...
So because YOU didn't see it, or have any interest...I guess no one did, right?
Increased the amount of qualifying spots
***** Now THIS is debatable and SHOULD be voted for...After all decades long "top 10 at the Olympia qualify for the next year's event" was REDUCED to only TOP SIX as there was the urge for TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDERS entering "smaller shows"...
Is INCREASED AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING SPOTS WISE DECISION?
We'll see when Mr. Olympia gets 30+ competitors on the stage....
I never liked the top 10 requalifying, and am glad they changed it. What other sport allows for a free pass to the top 10? Does nothing but REDUCE the amount of talent in the other shows which leads to smaller line-ups, which leads to LESS MONEY.
I don't see where getting the 4th place bump when all others are qualified is anything but justified....
*****INTERESTING OPINION...yet I will respect it as IT IS YOUR OPINION...Now, did you respect OPINIONS of ALL THE ATHLETES and ask them what they WANT YOU TO DO IN THIS MANNER?
You took the liberty to DECIDE FOR EVERYONE - and requested this change solely upon WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU THINK - and who gives a flying f... if athletes thinks any different!
That's just another example of your: "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU - LIKE IT OR NOT it is going to change as "I THE MIGHTY BOB SAID SO"...
As I said - examples like this should be enough to immediately get you OFF your position or at least you should get official warning that YOU CANNOT and that means ABSOLUTELLY CANNOT make another request WITHOUT getting approval from the MAJORITY of the pros...
According to who..? YOU? I'll run things the way I want to...If and when you are the athletes rep...you run things your way. I've openly invited ANYONE who has a problem with any of the decisions I've made to email me directly...still waiting for the first one.
Increased the per diem amount
***** Wow...From $50 to what $75?...after years of inflation?
And WHO EXACTLY GETS per diem?
In good old days - promoters would invite and PAY for flights, accommodations and per diem FOR NUMEROUS ATHLETES (10 and sometimes more...who would sign contract to compete...)
What do we have now?
Promoters hardly pay for anyone (IF ANY AT ALL?)...so you have increased per diem to brag about?
It's not exactly bragging rights, but another step in the right direction...Promoters are individuals, I already put in a proposal to have a mandatory increase every 2nd year...it was rejected. One more reason why the IFBB should be running their own shows...not promoters.
***** Doing it alone - without EVERYONE behind you could and will bring numerous rejections...
I for change - DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER - IF I HAVE MAJORITY TO REPRESENT...and certainly IF (WHEN) I get a chance to prove HOW YOUR JOB SHOULD BE DONE you (and others) will see that WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT CAUSE - YOU MUST AND YOU WILL PREVAIL...no ifs or but's about it....
Great...and you'll do WHAT, exactly? Call for a boycott? Walk out on a show? As I've mentioned (which you chose to ignore) we COULD have had a voice and some leverage, but where were you when it counted? Lee was too busy putting on color to attend a meeting for a union...maybe you were putting on protan for him?
When it could have made a difference...you were a no show.
Change the wording to allow for non sanctioned appearances
***** Nobel prize goes to...
So, you dont have a problem with THAT one? I'm shocked.
****Did I say I have no problem with THAT one?
I just pointed out that this is NOT a Nobel prize worthy accomplishment and IF THAT is all you can brag about it - than maybe you (after all it was your idea and your concern) maybe should go to non sanctioned shows...etc...
And "I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU BOB" - if this shocks you be ready this Saturday to be "ELECTRICUTED"...
I have, as my company sponsors non sanctioned shows.
Change round 1 to allow for athletes to present more than the 8 mandatory poses
***** NPC tradition...that is now IFBB new way of doing 1ST ROUND - due to Bob's belief that athletes SHOULD just accept what he serves them - without asking to vote!
Democracy at it's best .
This is JUST ONE OF EXAMPLE where Bob clearly puts himself as DECISION MAKER for the athletes without EVER even asking let allone getting approval from MAJORITY of us...
Most of the athletes DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT...Even some competitors on stage this year didn't know what to do...as NOBODY HAD A CLUE that Bob proposed this change.
Now they know...still didn't answer the question I've asked you 6 times now....name me one DISADVANTAGE of being allowed to hit MORE poses along with the mandatories?
****OK smartass - show me WHERE YOU REPETADLY ASKED ME to name disadvantages?
Look back over the 500 posts we've had on the subject...
If you remember - in our phone conversation when I was STOPPING you from making yet another mistake (as you wanted to change 3rd round as well - AND request STOP JUDGING THE POSING ROUND) I insisted that posing round is not being judged as how people pose...rather HOW THEY PRESENT THEIR PHYSIQUES...and that more often than not every particular athlete does have numerous spectacular poses OTHER THAN MANDATORIES where he/she could show to judges quality of their physique and get points for it...
After our long talk - you agreed with me and suggested that instead of hitting only 8 mandatory shots in the first round - we should have "NPC style" and do MORE than just mandatories in "allowed time"...
I actually LIKE THAT IDEA and I think it is great...I will go as far and say: I LOVE IT...and I told you the same - during that phone conversation...
However, just because YOU and I love it - doesn't mean that others will...and it was YOUR DUTY as the athletes rep to inform every athlete and get majority votes BEFORE you would make a request to CHANGE decades long tradition....
It's my "duty" to make changes for the better...if any athlete has a problem with it (or me) I have yet to hear from them.....they know my Email, I see them at all the shows, they could contact Jim Manion, or the IFBB...still nothing. No complaints (anonymous or otherwise)....show me your LIST, MIlos...where is your list?
Maybe I should have consulted everyone, as there could be pro's out there that did NOT want any of these changes....well, nothing is written in stone and I assume we could get some of these things back to the way they were.
***** MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED EVERYONE?
MAYBE?
There ARE many pros out there that did NOT want any (or some) of these changes...and it was really nice of you to ASK...
Good job Bob .
Really? Where YOUR list Milos?? You keep asking for lists, lets see yours with all these disgruntled athletes putting more money in their pocket, covered with health care, and everything else.Rock the Vote!
***** Bob, LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU: I am not the athletes rep...YOU ARE (for the time being) and you can bet your life WHEN I REPRESENT someone EVERYONE WILL SEE the list, names...and whatever else necessary...
I was asking YOU for a list as you were so arrogantly claiming EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME EXCEPT YOU MILOS...
I didn't know that Shawn's real name was EVERYONE...so I did want to see your list - as you kept mentioning OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE ATHLETES when there was NONE...
As I did mention before - YOU ARE FRAUD...and you can easily shut me up by bringing the list this Saturday...
On another hand - I did collect a LONG LIST of people regarding the "VOTE NO TO JUDGING THE POSING ROUND" change you requested...
I did - so I can easily see IF (not that you would do something like that ) the athletes really support you or you just listed their names as nobody would check...
Good for you...you would be surprised just how close that vote was. Most athletes recognise the obvious...NO ONE IS GETTING JUDGED ON THEIR POSING ROUTINE. Even the judges want the round changed. While you're trying to preserve "tradition", I'm trying to get more MONEY in the athletes pockets by bringing up the entertainment level...Routine after routine of the same boring ass, paint drying excitemnet...occaisional ly....and I do mean OCCAISIONALLY..there is a Melvin, or a Dareem, or Kai.
**** Rock the Vote!
SEE YOU SATURDAY...Maybe you can bring some of your lists with you - so you could show us all your list of names of "MANY ATHLETES WHO AGREE WITH YOU WHILE ONLY MILOS COMPLAINS"....
Funny, but the only thing you complain about is he way I do things...but never offer any counter of what YOU would have changed. Like a poor politician...your all smoke. Lets see what YOUR ideas are, what changes of mine YOU would have taken off the table.
You do realise that I dont have the power to change anything on my own, right? Any and all proposals are run bu the board and voted on to get approved. They don't HAVE to approve anything we put in front of them.
We have no union, no association, no leverage....Funny, but when I tried to organize a meeting to see about the possibility of forming a union...the two biggest mouths, YOU and LEE were nowhere to be found....too busy "raising hell"? THAT was the time to step up and collectively take a stand.
NOW, after the fact, and after we have at least been given a voice and changes/ progress have been made...you want to start talking tough.....PLEASE.
***** Here you go again..."the only thing you complain about is he way I do things"...NO, that is NOT the only thing I complain about - and you should know that by now...
Offering ANYTHING to you after seeing you in action - IS NOT THE OPTION...You do not deserve that.
Besides, I used term "impotent" for a reason...as someone who is not able to do things others would enjoy and continue doing it - for all participating parties satisfaction and benefits...
When you publically conclude that you cannot find the athletes and get their response (get ready to DO YOUR JOB) than maybe you should let somebody else do it who can solve the "problem" with ease...
The only "problem" I've seen you solve so far...Is getting BB removed from the Asian games. Great move, how many athletes are making money NOW? PLEASE...stop solving any more problems!
Good in theory Lee, but not practical....especially since the Arnold and Olympia IS WHEN the meetings take place.
The other problem is that most athletes dont want their name on anything...pro or con. Thats why we have a REP.
Is this thread still going???
Look, folks, the bottom line is everyone knows the score. You don't voice unpopular things or you will pay for it. Everyone knows if you want to do well (not be punished or place low) you don't voice your opinion. Keep your mouth shut and let the IFBB decide what is best.
I am surprised Bob doesn't tell everyone this. He of all people should know. Outspoken guys like Lee are out of the IFBB. End of story. This is what happens to those who voice their opinions. The bodybuilders are not stupid. They have played ball to get their pro cards and know exactly what to do and what NOT to do to stay in the good books.
Please, people, do not give good ideas to Bob. The IFBB doesn't work that way.
Is this thread still going???
Look, folks, the bottom line is everyone knows the score. You don't voice unpopular things or you will pay for it. Everyone knows if you want to do well (not be punished or place low) you don't voice your opinion. Keep your mouth shut and let the IFBB decide what is best.
I am surprised Bob doesn't tell everyone this. He of all people should know. Outspoken guys like Lee are out of the IFBB. End of story. This is what happens to those who voice their opinions. The bodybuilders are not stupid. They have played ball to get their pro cards and know exactly what to do and what NOT to do to stay in the good books.
Please, people, do not give good ideas to Bob. The IFBB doesn't work that way.
Let me put this issue in perspective. Suppose you were asked for advice about what to do re the IFBB from someone competing in their contests? Would you tell them to speak out if they don't agree with the way things are run? Would you tell them to challenge officials and promoters all the time if injustices occur, etc.? Or would you tell them to just go along with the officials and rules and not rock the boat? We all know what bodybuilders do. So, that tells us they clearly know their own self interest re the IFBB.
Bob's job is to reinforce IFBB rules and get the message through to thickheads what happens if they don't follow those rules. Look at Lee's attitude now. Pretty sad for one of the top guys. There he is a real man so he speaks out if he sees crap. He figures if they all stick together the IFBB has to change and everyone benefits. Almost no one joins him so he is left out in the cold and eventually it becomes a bit much to actually want good things for the bodybuilders and they don't support him but stay loyal to the IFBB and AMI or wherever their money comes from.
Bob is the enemy of bodybuilding progress and justice and not some good guy. Hope you lads eventually see this.
Lee isn't out of the IFBB because he's outspoken...he has been for as many years as he was in the IFBB...he's out because he CHOSE to be out.Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this
Milos, Myself, Shawn....were all outspoken, and were all still in the IFBB.
Please, refrain from making a bigger fool of yourself and stop posting on the topic...
Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this
Bob...off course we can go back and forth about exact same questions - as you are NOT answering ANY of my points and keep repeating the same thing...how supposedly MANY pros agree with you and some proposals were oh so close to be accepted...etc...etc...
SHOW ME THE PROOF....Better yet - show us the proof by simply mentioning numerous names of the pros you are referring to - when you say EVERYBODY AGREES WITH ME and I figured this out by a simple fact -AS NOBODY COMPLAINED...
I wont bring up specific names as I don't disclose info about athletes unless they give the O.K....I've answered as many points you've brought up that I can keep up with...even though you have selected to not answer many of mine...like not atending the union meeting and why?
You will take silence as approval?
Silence can tell us a great deal...that people don't care enough to speak up, or that they approve. You certainly spoke up when you didn't agree with the posing round proposal, right? I never heard a word from you either way before that....same goes for most of the pro's. When people diagree, they will tend to voice an opinion...
Do me a favor and propose something completely ridiculous...like let's say - nude Mr. Olympia ;D ;D ;D and wait....
If you don't get any response simply assume that everyone (every IFBB PRO that is) wants to compete nude - and...let's see who is real Mr. Oooooooo ::)?
Careful my friend...what do we do if it actually gets approved?? ;D
OK...it is too early and I am in the bad mood as I had to get up so early (or rather not sleep at all) so I will go extra step and say ONE THING - I do believe that you have best interest of athletes in mind...
Contrary to Shawn who doesn't and never will (care for anyone else but himself) you actually do care...and I will be first one to say that.
I also do respect the fact that you SPEAK YOUR MIND...
That is greatly appreciated...as we both have different methods, I do believe we are both working for the same cause..I would invite you to be a part of a commitee of 4... we can set up to discuss proposals and work as a team.
I'll give you that also...but MY COMPLAINTS were, are and always will be: YOU SIMPLY DO NOT REPRESENT WHAT ATHLETES WANT as you don't find the way to communicate with them and MAKING DECISIONS by assuming what is good for them is NOT THE WAY TO REPRESENT!
Offer still stands...help me in getting a cross section of the pro bb communities interests...
For that reason - as I want you to be prepared for our "debate" I insist that you show proof (list of pros) who supported you in each and every "motion", proposal or change that you requested in our behalf...
Just like you mentioned in your last response to my post how we were "oh so close" to loose the judging of the posing round (something I believe I stopped you from enforcing)....
How close exactly and why?
Did you get enough votes of the athletes...or "powers" told you so?
As this is the way you operate (consult and deal with "powers" without informing or truly representing the athletes) - did you ALMOST convinced "powers" that this change will pass as unnoticed (like so many others)...
No...they tabled it to a vote, as it was unprecidented and would change the judging criteria..it wasn't immediately passed (and not passed at all) NOTHING goes un-noticed with the voting...
So, I do want to make sure you have plenty of time to prepare what you need to prove me wrong...and I certainly hope you will not give me just another runaround as always...
34 pages, what have we learnt?
1. pro bbers in the majority are way too self absorbed to form a decent union.
2. Milos and Lee don't seem to get this fact, even though they seem to be part of the problem (Milos, if you didn't attend all the meetings, how can you complain ???
I admire you for your passion and dedication to the athletes you train/manage, but what are you doing for the rest? a union stands or falls pending unity :-\ but, damn, i want you to second my corner.
4. silvio did NOT breach anything with something Milos did. I would argue that case in any court of the USA and win every single time, but it's kind of redundant now because silvio fell for the con and shit himself (did i mention that pro bbers are way too self absorbed to form a decent union?).
5. Chick has impressed me greatly in this thread, if for no other reason than his incredible endurance. the man should get into politics asap imo.
the simple fact, whether you choose to admit it or not, is that you were instrumental in unnecessarily spooking silvio. given the timing i find it hard to believe you didn't team up with shawn on this. please show me ANY 'contract' in america that indicates that a man can form a breach when he has not performed a wilfull act to cause that breach. just one will do, doesn't even have to be the ifbb contract which i know you can't produce because it doesn't exist. ;)
So Ron is wrong. We now know that. Does he?
Candid photos are ok. What's the difference between candid and what was taken at Milos' gym? We aught to clear this up since all bbers will forever be responsible for all photos taken of them.
And, Shawn just loves man ass. We already knew that...
And you didn't answer Goatboy's or my question about why now, and why Silvio -- specifically? After all these years and all these previous bodybuilders.
WHY DID MELVIN DO 180 TURN AROUND.....DID THE PHONE CALL COME THROUGH.....:)
MANION OR MUSCLETECH WHO CALLED.........SAME CALL SILVIO GOT...........
JUST A THEORY .............CAUSE I USE TO GET PHONE CALLS FROM IFBB AND SPONSORS AS WELL....I JUST DIDNT GO ALONG THOU....AND LOOK AT ME....YEAH I AM OUT...BUT I AM STILL ME......
The only "problem" I've seen you solve so far...Is getting BB removed from the Asian games. Great move, how many athletes are making money NOW? PLEASE...stop solving any more problems!
Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well.
WHY DID MELVIN DO 180 TURN AROUND.....DID THE PHONE CALL COME THROUGH.....
We have gone through this over and over. Same reason why the NFL, NBA, NHL, or any fraternity doesnt let you be in the same federation at the same time. Gone over this for a while...YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES......IFBB DOSENT...THEY GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE MONEY THATS ALL..WE ARE INDEPPENDANT CONTRACTORS
Because Melvin heard the other side of the story. Yes, a phone call came through, from Bob and myself.
YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES
SO ALL THAT STUFF MELVIN SAID HE SAW AND TALKED ABOUT BACKSTAGE WITH MILOS AND SILVO WAS MADE UP?? HE SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED....
I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.
Neither the NFL nor the NBA pays the athletes, the teams do. If someone doesnt want to play and competes in another federations games, they will be suspended. As for fraternities, you cannot be in the same fraternity at the same time.
Melvin saw a text message on Silvio's phone, informing Silvio that the pictures were on the internet. When Melvin heard about what exactly occured, things do change.
I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.
STILL THE IFBB PAYS NO ONE..................... THEY ARE A TEAM WE ARE NOT.........I LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE PAY MEMBERSHIP TO NHRA...BUT CAN RACE IHRA...OR ANY RACING GROUP THAT HAS A RACE WITH BIG MONEY................THE Y DONT HAVE APROBLEM AND THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS...........WHY CANT BB DO THE SAME????WHO DOES IT HURT IF THE BODYBUILDERS MAKE MORE MONEY COMPETING...IFBB..PDI..N ABBA OR WHO EVER...OH THATS RIGHT THE IFBB HAS THAT SO CALLED RULE BOOK TO CONTROLL THE ATHLETES..I FORGOT MY BAD.......
I still would like to know why the pictures were posted up after Silvio asked them not to be from his room.
YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES......IFBB DOSENT...THEY GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE MONEY THATS ALL..WE ARE INDEPPENDANT CONTRACTORS
SO ALL THAT STUFF MELVIN SAID HE SAW AND TALKED ABOUT BACKSTAGE WITH MILOS AND SILVO WAS MADE UP???????? HE SAID HE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED....AND SAID BOB WASNT HIS REP....NOW HE SAID HE WOULD SUPPORT BOB....I CAN UNDERSTAND IF MELVIN ONLY HEAR FROM ONE SIDE THEN HE GOT THE OTHER SIDE.....BUT MELVIN SAID HE WAS THERE AND WITNESSED IT....AND NOW CHANGES
exactly
the IFBB isn't even comparable to the NBA, NHL, NFL, etc.- there are so many differences it is ridiculous to even mention the IFBB in the same sentence.
Look, if an NBA player decides to go play in Europe for a few years, it will NOT doom his NBA career later. The same should exist for the IFBB "athletes".
Secondly, if the IFBB is so confident in its power, then why are they so worried about pros competing in other federations. Sounds very monopolistic to me. Really, nobody has answered this part of the problem. It is obvious insecurity- the IFBB exists for itself, not the athletes- they just exploit them and don't give a shit about them.
Lastly, Lee is totally right. Athletes in the aforementioned sports can actually consider making a living- only a select few lucky bodybuilders can do so in the IFBB- with no health insurance, no other benefits either. WTF?
Ron, I would like to know why Silvio let the pics be taken in the first place. What did he think was going to be done with them?
Well, since Milos was his trainer, I wonder. What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool. We do share them with various people. There are a lot of pictures that come in a few days or weeks before the contests and we don't put them up right away. It is up to the competitor on that. So are cool with it, and others are not.
Well, since Milos was his trainer, I wonder. What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool. We do share them with various people. There are a lot of pictures that come in a few days or weeks before the contests and we don't put them up right away. It is up to the competitor on that. So are cool with it, and others are not.
What do you do when you get special pictures of people you train. we don't just put them on the internet right away unless it is cool. We do share them with various people.
Lee should be allowed to compete in any federation, as any other pro should be as well. It just shows how insecure the IFBB is that they prohibit this
The IFBB is a business...and part of their business years ago, was to secure the best bodybuilders in the world and get them to join their federation. Obviously, they won the war in terms of being the premiere place to compete if you were one of the best, or aspired to be.
Any successful business would never just let their people go off to support their competitors...and as a way of compensation, there are certain perks that come with being a part of the IFBB...guest posing opportunities, supplement endorsements, appearances, magazine exposure and of course...a stage to compete against the best in the world.
As long as there are athletes wiling to keep waving the IFBB flag...there isnt a reason on this earth they would allow their members to compete elsewhere.
WHAT A SHAME.......AND HOW MANY CARD CARYING PROS HAVE GOTTEN ANY OF THOSE PERKS??????????? JUST A HANDFUL
WHAT A SHAME.......AND HOW MANY CARD CARYING PROS HAVE GOTTEN ANY OF THOSE PERKS??????????? JUST A HANDFUL
YEAH BUT THE NFL..NBA ETC PAY THERE ATHLETES......IFBB DOSENT...
The IFBB is a business...and part of their business years ago, was to secure the best bodybuilders in the world and get them to join their federation. Obviously, they won the war in terms of being the premiere place to compete if you were one of the best, or aspired to be.
Any successful business would never just let their people go off to support their competitors...and as a way of compensation, there are certain perks that come with being a part of the IFBB...guest posing opportunities, supplement endorsements, appearances, magazine exposure and of course...a stage to compete against the best in the world.
As long as there are athletes wiling to keep waving the IFBB flag...there isnt a reason on this earth they would allow their members to compete elsewhere.
Many...including yourself as you see now.
It's still a competition, Lee...of course not everybody is going to make big money and sign big contracts.
YES I DID.......BUT THE IFBB DIDNT GO AND GET ME MY CONTRACT ED CONNORS AND IRVIN GELB DID ...I HADNT EVEN DONE A IFBB PRO SHOW WHEN I SIGNED WITH WIEDER.....BUT LIKE I SAID WHAT OF ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO PAY THE IFBB EVERY YEAR AND DONT EVEN GET THIER MEMBERSHIP MONEY BACK............LOOK IN MUSCLE MAG THERE ALOT LISTED.....NOW GO THROU AND ADD UP HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE MADE MORE THEN 1,000 FROM IFBB SHOWS
The IFBB gave you the platform to be able to be in a position for Ed Connors and Irvin Gelb to help get you a contract...if not...you may well have been the 20 time "Mr. Australia"...and been an obscure bb making zippo...because you were a great bb and had the ability to compete with the best...opportunities opened up to you...because you were in the IFBB.
Membership does have it's privledges...
Many more bbers HAVEN'T made any real money than HAVE for the simple reason that it is a competition and the best will always get the money, the contracts, and the opportunities...why would a guy ranked 37th expect to make as much as the top 10? He wouldn't....but he has the opportunity to improve and get himself in contention...not everyone is an overnight sensation, and many have climbed their way to making a nice living from being a pro bb.
Those opportunities are STILL in the IFBB as few others outside it have contracts worth mentioning...
The IFBB gave you the platform to be able to be in a position for Ed Connors and Irvin Gelb to help get you a contract...if not...you may well have been the 20 time "Mr. Australia"...and been an obscure bb making zippo...because you were a great bb and had the ability to compete with the best...opportunities opened up to you...because you were in the IFBB.
Membership does have it's privledges...
Many more bbers HAVEN'T made any real money than HAVE for the simple reason that it is a competition and the best will always get the money, the contracts, and the opportunities...why would a guy ranked 37th expect to make as much as the top 10? He wouldn't....but he has the opportunity to improve and get himself in contention...not everyone is an overnight sensation, and many have climbed their way to making a nice living from being a pro bb.
Those opportunities are STILL in the IFBB as few others outside it have contracts worth mentioning...
I usually stay quiet about things like this but I must say that after reading just about every post concerning "Athletes Rep" stuff, and listening to the radio show, you spend more time defending the IFBB and their rules rather than helping the athletes. At least Shawn Ray defended the athletes and stuck his neck out. You are more of a liason for the IFBB to the athletes. Yeah you have done some things but your posts speak something totally different. Perhaps your relationship with the IFBB is too close in order for you to execute your duties in an effective manner. You do a good job MCing and narrating the radio show but I feel the job could be executed in a more effective manner.
I usually stay quiet about things like this but I must say that after reading just about every post concerning "Athletes Rep" stuff, and listening to the radio show, you spend more time defending the IFBB and their rules rather than helping the athletes. At least Shawn Ray defended the athletes and stuck his neck out. You are more of a liason for the IFBB to the athletes. Yeah you have done some things but your posts speak something totally different. Perhaps your relationship with the IFBB is too close in order for you to execute your duties in an effective manner. You do a good job MCing and narrating the radio show but I feel the job could be executed in a more effective manner.
The IFBB gave you the platform to be able to be in a position for Ed Connors and Irvin Gelb to help get you a contract...if not...you may well have been the 20 time "Mr. Australia"...and been an obscure bb making zippo...because you were a great bb and had the ability to compete with the best...opportunities opened up to you...because you were in the IFBB.
Membership does have it's privledges...
Many more bbers HAVEN'T made any real money than HAVE for the simple reason that it is a competition and the best will always get the money, the contracts, and the opportunities...why would a guy ranked 37th expect to make as much as the top 10? He wouldn't....but he has the opportunity to improve and get himself in contention...not everyone is an overnight sensation, and many have climbed their way to making a nice living from being a pro bb.
Those opportunities are STILL in the IFBB as few others outside it have contracts worth mentioning...
the IFBB didn't give him the platform- he earned it damn it!
Again, this is all bullshit meant to maintain IFBB power. There is no justifiable reason to deny access for pros to compete in other organizations other than the self-preservation of the IFBB. This is NOT okay because most of the pros can't make a living through the IFBB.
Why the hell would anybody become a pro bodybuilder? Why would you want to subject yourself to so much humiliation and victimization?
So...what part arent you understanding?
If all the pros were allowed to compete wherever they wanted...the same guys would STILL be winning and making the money....and the same guys NOT making money and signing contracts STILL wouldn't be. You don't all of a sudden become more marketable in a different federation. The supplement companies are STILL looking for the biggest draws, the best spokesman, etc.
so, why not allow it to see if that would actually happen? What's the worst that could occur? Perhaps competition would be good for the IFBB? Perhaps more would be offered? Perhaps the quality of life could actually improve for pros as a consequence?
Competition would be GREAT for the athletes...unfortunately ...there isn't enough talent pool out there to substanciate another federation, or make it any real competition...the PDI is a great example.
There is also the supplement companies...they will only sponsor so many shows...putting out more money to appeal to the same audience isn't the smartest move.
Whats the worst that could occur? TWO sets of athletes that arent making money...audiences that arent willing to pay to see watered down line-ups...
Competition would be GREAT for the athletes...unfortunately ...there isn't enough talent pool out there to substanciate another federation, or make it any real competition...the PDI is a great example.
There is also the supplement companies...they will only sponsor so many shows...putting out more money to appeal to the same audience isn't the smartest move.
Whats the worst that could occur? TWO sets of athletes that arent making money...audiences that arent willing to pay to see watered down line-ups...
So...what part arent you understanding?
If all the pros were allowed to compete wherever they wanted...the same guys would STILL be winning and making the money....and the same guys NOT making money and signing contracts STILL wouldn't be. You don't all of a sudden become more marketable in a different federation. The supplement companies are STILL looking for the biggest draws, the best spokesman, etc.
THEY DONT HAVE A CHANCE WITH POLITICS....COME ON WEVE SEEN WOLF GET SCREWED..AND MANY OTHER FROM OVERSEAS.........BOB I HAD MANY CONTRACTS BEFORE I CAME TO AMERICA WITH COMPANIES IN AUSTRALIA WHO PAYED ME MORE THEN WIEDER DID......IN ANY OTHER SPORT A GUY RANKED 37TH MAKES GOOD MONEY........ITS THE SAME PEOPLE IN IFBB OVER AND OVER MAKING MONEY AND SAME GUEST POSING....GOD YOU ARE A COMPANY MAN
Wait a second...I thought the whole problem was that the bbers had no power because there was always someone who would replace them if they got booted?
So, now it's that bbers are hard to come by? And not a glut of people wanting to be paid to be a bber?
You sure about that? Seems like if the bbers were so few and far between, we wouldn't have this problem -- the bbers would have the control...but it's the other way around because if one bber talks back (such as Lee), there are a hundred just waiting to jump in and replace him.
...or maybe you are right. The PDI doesn't seem to have picked up many bbers (big names or not), so maybe there aren't a lot of people waiting for their turn. In that case, the existing bbers might just need a rallying point...something to get them all moving in the same direction...someone to focus their power...something like an athletes rep or something...hmmm
Or a UNION, perhaps?
Forget it....I tried to organize one when Lee's buddy Wayne was still in charge....The bigest mouths of BB were nowhere to be found when the meeting started. I had over 100 responses (106 to be exact) saying that they would support a union and be there at the meeting...how many actually showed? 21.
Should tell you everything you need to know...
So you just throw in the towel and say fuck it? Damm, how did you ever become a pro being such a quitter?
Ok. That's fine. He is, afterall the athletes rep...but sounds like he's burnt out and we need a replacement whose all fired up.
i think you just identified the problem :-\
Or a UNION, perhaps?
Forget it....I tried to organize one when Lee's buddy Wayne was still in charge....The bigest mouths of BB were nowhere to be found when the meeting started. I had over 100 responses (106 to be exact) saying that they would support a union and be there at the meeting...how many actually showed? 21.
Should tell you everything you need to know...
All this tells you is that NO ONE wants to listen to you. You should have got the hit way back then. What happened. Face it you AREN'T the man for this job. Will you just quit and have fun with the new kid, lose some weight and size and make a living in front of the camera. I'm telling you, you will feel allot better.
Or a UNION, perhaps?
Forget it....I tried to organize one when Lee's buddy Wayne was still in charge....The bigest mouths of BB were nowhere to be found when the meeting started. I had over 100 responses (106 to be exact) saying that they would support a union and be there at the meeting...how many actually showed? 21.
Should tell you everything you need to know...
WELL MY BUDDY WAYNE....IS NO LONGER THERE SO TRY IT AGAIN...AND SEE IF IT WORKS........LORD BOB
Wayne wasn't the reason it didn't work...the athletes were.
There is even LESS reason to have one now with Wayne out of the picture, as we now have a voice, a vote, and a President that will actually LISTEN to the requests and is receptive to change.
YEAH YOUR VOICE.......AND YOU LISTEN TO HIS....LIKE GOOD DOG AND MASTER :)
now that was a good comeback.
That wasn't any good "comeback"...it's the only thing Lee can think of to say because he knows I'm right...he also can say much about the whole "union" thing, because he's already said he was "too busy putting on color" when it was time to walk the walk...
Talk is cheap...now he's retired.
YOU ARE ONLY RIGHT IN JIM'S EYES.............YES I HAD TO COMPETE IN THE ARNOLD AND SUPPORT MY WIFE CATHY AT THE TIME YES..............15 YEARS AS A TOP PRO......AND RETIRED........HOW LONG WAS YOUR PRO CAREER AGAIN BEFORE YOU HIT THE WALL????????
Lee types in ALL CAPS cause he's FIRED UP!
And you're just a bitter, retired ex pro whose made some "unique" decisions in his career to follow the path of Mike Tyson...a guy who SHOULD have been remembered for being one of the greatest fighters of all time....instead, remembered for going to jail, tattooing his face, acting strangly, and drumming himself out of the sport...sound familiar?
He's always on fire!!!
Bullshit...you didn't attend the meeting because you didn't care, or didn't want to risk your career at the time...just like the athletes now that you call out on a continual basis.
My pro career has been since 2000...and I've hit no wall, just been smart enough to re-invent myself as a MC, spokesman,actor, rep, radio host, etc... to continue my career in professional BB.
And you're just a bitter, retired ex pro whose made some "unique" decisions in his career to follow the path of Mike Tyson...a guy who SHOULD have been remembered for being one of the greatest fighters of all time....instead, remembered for going to jail, tattooing his face, acting strangly, and drumming himself out of the sport...sound familiar?
And you're just a bitter, retired ex pro whose made some "unique" decisions in his career to follow the path of Mike Tyson...a guy who SHOULD have been remembered for being one of the greatest fighters of all time....instead, remembered for going to jail, tattooing his face, acting strangly, and drumming himself out of the sport...sound familiar?
well from a business perspective of a current IFBB Pro. 98% are happy.
that is a false made up statistic that u pulled out of ur ass. stick to the facts. 98 per cent ARE NOT HAPPY just by including the number of pro's which complained in here and on the net.
Well...if those are the numbers you're going by....it's about .......98%.
i still think that is a high statistic!
bob, is anyone else complaining except for the pro's on this board? and if so what about?
Of course guys complain...complain about the judging, complain about the money, complain about sponsorships, and so on, and so on.....it's human nature...especially in sports.thanks for answering man.
thanks for answering man.
Well i think the only real question that needs to be answered is this:
Can the athletes realistically recieve more money than they are currently getting? and if so, is it considerable? OR is bodybuilding as a pro sport simply not generating enough money. If it doesn't generate enough of a purse for the athletes, well then there is nothing that yourself or an organisation can do.
Yes, and I've outlined how we can achieve this in many articles, in my column "Bobservations" in Flex magazine...and in numerous posts on the subject.
The key to making bigtime money for the athletes rests in TV revenue being generated. In order to get to that point, we need to make BB worth watching via more entertaining and a weekly series so people can identify with various athletes...love them, hate them, root them on...but INTEREST is what makes something popular.
You can look at the recent success of UFC, Poker as great examples...and the WWE as a perfect blueprint as to what sells. This is a brief summary, but should get the idea across.I think this question is the bottomline. I would be interested to hear the truth from the athletes rep a.k.a chickamania.
thank you!
Bob, do you think that having the judges actually marking down for GH guts and other problems might make BBing more appealing? I mean the 90s were crazy for BBing and now there is very little interest. Those guys may have been smaller but they looked a lot better, the last guy in the O is better than spots 3-7 now and more people were into the sport.
Bullshit...you didn't attend the meeting because you didn't care, or didn't want to risk your career at the time...just like the athletes now that you call out on a continual basis.
My pro career has been since 2000...and I've hit no wall, just been smart enough to re-invent myself as a MC, spokesman,actor, rep, radio host, etc... to continue my career in professional BB.
And you're just a bitter, retired ex pro whose made some "unique" decisions in his career to follow the path of Mike Tyson...a guy who SHOULD have been remembered for being one of the greatest fighters of all time....instead, remembered for going to jail, tattooing his face, acting strangly, and drumming himself out of the sport...sound familiar?
Lee, my friend. You must put your personal feelings aside and look at this from a business...well from a business perspective of a current IFBB Pro. 98% are happy. Do they want more. Absolutely. Is Bob working to improve the sport for the athlete? Most definitely. You don't have to agree with him or his methods, but he is making progress. Progress like we have not seen before. Is there more to be done? Yes, and overtime he and others like him will make positive progress. Like my grandpa said, "you can catch more bees with honey, than you can with Vinegar. You chose vinegar and it didn't work. Bob chooses honey and is making progress. Let your personal feelings go and move on, you will feel much better.
WRONG AGAIN BOBYY BOY...BY THE TIME THAT MEETING WAS COMING AROUND I HAD ALREADY BEEN FINED AND SUSPENDED 3 TIMES I DIDNT CARE ABOUT MY CAREER SO GET IT RIGHT............I WILL STILL BE REMEMBER FOR BEING A GREAT BB....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE KNOWN AS THE GIFT..........CAUSE THATS WHAT YOU GOT FROM JIM AND YOUR POSITION AS REP......
We have gone through this over and over. Same reason why the NFL, NBA, NHL, or any fraternity doesnt let you be in the same federation at the same time. Gone over this for a while...
Because Melvin heard the other side of the story. Yes, a phone call came through, from Bob and myself.
WRONG AGAIN BOBYY BOY...BY THE TIME THAT MEETING WAS COMING AROUND I HAD ALREADY BEEN FINED AND SUSPENDED 3 TIMES I DIDNT CARE ABOUT MY CAREER SO GET IT RIGHT............I WILL STILL BE REMEMBER FOR BEING A GREAT BB....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE KNOWN AS THE GIFT..........CAUSE THATS WHAT YOU GOT FROM JIM AND YOUR POSITION AS REP......
Lee will be acknowledged as one of shorter Pros to never win anything of significance! He will grow old and fat, living alone is his apartment with only a face tattoo for company.
On the other hand, Chick will continue to expand his media commitments, grow increasingly wealthy and live a happy and contented life with his beautiful family.
Dude you seriously are the #1 guy of Sean's and Chic. Dude get a life. Cause so far your's looks like shit.
Keith, enough already. Stop your vile hatred of everyone and everything!
You never have anything positive to say. You spew anger and filth at every opportunity!
I dont hate you Keith. I understand that you are suffering and find release by being brutal and obnoxious.
You choose to be this horrible and loathsome person. And it is only you Keith that can find your way out of this misery that has become you.
Peace.
Dude you seriously are the #1 guy of Sean's and Chic. Dude get a life. Cause so far your's looks like shit.Amen.
Hank here is something positive. You love Sean. And guess what. I have a feeling you are Sean. He is the only one on here that signs out with the word "Peace". Now I know why you defend him so much. Sean dude you have the Apenis Syndrome. Go to bed. I am happy. Why aren't you. Is your past finally affecting you. Stay focused on your show.
Keith, dont let Sean and others affect your life. You harbour much resentment. So what that your life has not been as successful as you dreamed it would! Who cares that you are a fat nobody!
Keith, again you must delve into your inner most being to find peace and truth. You wont get it here on this forum!
And also, Sean has achieved more in his little finger that you have in your whole pathetic life.
Peace.
Keith, dont let Sean and others affect your life. You harbour much resentment. So what that your life has not been as successful as you dreamed it would! Who cares that you are a fat nobody!
Keith, again you must delve into your inner most being to find peace and truth. You wont get it here on this forum!
And also, Sean has achieved more in his little finger that you have in your whole pathetic life.
Peace.
Sean, why do you insist on this. Why do you fight losing battles. You have NO integrity. That right there makes YOU a HUGE loser. You cheat, lie and steal. And what have you done in your life outside of BB, (which I should remind you, you never won the big one). You put on a golf event and a half-ass pro show. You turn on your friends and family. Dude seriously, you are a joke to me and many others. Face those facts. You day has come and gone.
Dude you seriously are the #1 guy of Sean's and Chic. Dude get a life. Cause so far your's looks like shit.
Keith, dont let Sean and others affect your life. You harbour much resentment. So what that your life has not been as successful as you dreamed it would! Who cares that you are a fat nobody!
Keith, again you must delve into your inner most being to find peace and truth. You wont get it here on this forum!
And also, Sean has achieved more in his little finger that you have in your whole pathetic life.
Peace.
it is shawn, not sean
i also wondered about that but i assumed that those that refer to him as 'sean' are merely highlighting their disrespect for the man.
indeed, sean deserves disrespect.
does it get much lower than selling out your compatriots, your own mother and statutory rape ???
how about fucking and being fucked by trannies while your wife is at home pregnant?
then again, he is a christian. ;D
The only reason I do this to Sean is because he deserves no respect. I hate people like him that does what he does to people and walks around like he is king. He is to small and girly to just punch and he knows that. He can't let go that he is a nobody now and that his past is catching up to him. He rips people off and thinks nothing of it. Then he comes in with one-liners and thinks everything is cool. But, you know he is the perfect fit for the IFBB. Take advantage as much as you can.
Hank, you're one of the most awesome gimmicks I've seen since the late, great Debussey!who gives a shit who it is
I don't think anyone has figured out your M.O. yet...
...'cept me, and it's kewl... ;D
Hate is such a strong word. Maybe you dislike him? Explain one reason why "you think" he is a "nobody now".
Yes you are probably right. I don't hate anyone. I do dislike him cause of the way he acts. Even if he wasn't a pro BB I still would dislike him. He acts like he is king almighty and he can do no wrong. When he does, he sidesteps and avoids it. He steps on people and doesn't care. Has NO integrity. To me he is a nobody. He has proven he has no integrity or cares for his friends or family.
I WILL STILL BE REMEMBER FOR BEING A GREAT BB....
Too bad Shawn's head is too big. He would have won the Olympia, perhaps, if it wasn't so big!
Keith, i understand that you have been burnt by this industry, feel betrayed and misunderstood!
You have become bitter and twisted and now find it difficult to trust anyone. However, constantly attacking Sean is not going to solve anything for you!
Keith, it is time to just let Sean be Sean. You must move on with your life, and not let the injustices of the past corrupt you any further.
Keith, Sean is moving onward and upward with his life, it is time that you do the same!
Peace.
Keith has no life which is why he comes here, it is certainly not because h knows the industry?
heck, dude cant even travel on a Plane due to weight restrictions.
Not being funny but dude is like, lyin gon the side of the broken bed with his lap top and donuts looking at world clas athletes and chiming in talking to some out of his arse while his gut dispells any credibilty in the industry and his lies are up there with the boy who cried wolf only Keith needs to have this outlet or life for him as he knows it dies.
I'm happy to oblige him to stop him from overdosing on the Crumb Cakes. :-*
hahahaha what a tool. I hope you don't consider yourself a world class athlete. Dude you are like a female and just as tall. Pleeeeeeease you a joke to me and allot of others. Face those facts. And please point out one just one lie I have told about you. Go ahead where did I lie about you. You are a coward (no lie), you are a rat (no lie), you are a theif (no lie), you rip off promoters (no lie), you never won the big show (no lie), you have been sexual with a tranny or whateever it is (no lie), you posed for men post NOC parties (no lie), you are fat (no lie), your show had less people than mine and I am on an island (no lie), you owe $600 for your room at the Mandarin (no lie), you had Tom running circles on Maui for you to arrange things for you and never showed up (no lie), you told me you were to fat at my sow and that was why you didn't go up on stage when you were supposed to (no lie). How many more should I list. Please come up with lie I said about you. Tell then you are just a sad excuse for awomanman.
Keith, stop this nonsense! You have already admitted on the other thread that your memory and recollection of events is blurry!
You are the one who is the lyer here!
Keith, your mind has become poisoned and polluted by fabrication and inuendo. You continue to invent stories about Sean.
You have become a very angry, bitter and resentful X-promoter. No wonder the industry doesnt want to have a bar of you!
Keith, stop this nonsense! You have already admitted on the other thread that your memory and recollection of events is blurry!
You are the one who is the lyer here!
Keith, your mind has become poisoned and polluted by fabrication and inuendo. You continue to invent stories about Sean.
You have become a very angry, bitter and resentful X-promoter. No wonder the industry doesnt want to have a bar of you!
Wow Sean you are really losing it. Dude it is almost 2am there go to bed. Like I said ,point out one lie instead of avoiding the facts. Now go to bed get some rest and try again tommorrow. You are losing a battle you can't win. Man you have really fallen from grace. Just think if someone at the IFBB decides to do a "Where are they Now" show you can be the first episode. You are going down fast Sean. You do know you have a show to promote next week. Hope it goes great for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D opps sorry I couldn't help but to myself on that one. Night night.
Keith, your new admission on the other thread that, 'your recollection of events changes over time', is indeed very candid; even for you!
There is a saying that i like to go by and that is; don't seek revenge, just have a happy life.
I am living a very happy life Keith. It is you who is vengeful, tormented and obsessed with me and my achievements.
Keith, your new admission on the other thread that, 'your recollection of events changes over time', is indeed very candid; even for you!
There is a saying that i like to go by and that is; don't seek revenge, just have a happy life.
I am living a very happy life Keith. It is you who is vengeful, tormented and obsessed with me and my achievements.
unique physique and one of the greatest!
hank wood is shawn ray! finally this makes sense now.
sgt. d and texas bubba are also Sean Raye. The guy gets paid to post under several different names. Can you believe he actually was n love with a trannie.
Keith....you let people bother you too easily.
I like you man...but thats a serious side of weakness.
Be the bigger man...let it go...or do something about it.
The one thing I am known for is how resilient I am with people. It is very hard to get under my skin. I don't get pissed at hardly anything. I am very laid back. But when it comes to Sean it's different cause he is so full of shit yet some people still don't see it. I have let it go. I didn't talk about Sean at all for months but he started again with me by mentioning me in a post. He is a nobody to me but I want to make sure I let as many people know how he REALLY is not his fake shit. What can I do but type shit about. I can't hit him, he'd break i half. He's like a girl. I don't hit girls.
he did deserve to win in 94 and 96. maybe his reputation as a dick knob hurt him
No I am not. Ron has already confirm that neither me or texas bubba is shawn. Maybe you need to read more. I do get paid to post here though
Brutal admission of being a whore. Does Ron know this???
No one gets paid to post here.
The one thing I am known for is how resilient I am with people. It is very hard to get under my skin. I don't get pissed at hardly anything. I am very laid back. But when it comes to Sean it's different cause he is so full of shit yet some people still don't see it. I have let it go. I didn't talk about Sean at all for months but he started again with me by mentioning me in a post. He is a nobody to me but I want to make sure I let as many people know how he REALLY is not his fake shit. What can I do but type shit about. I can't hit him, he'd break i half. He's like a girl. I don't hit girls.
No one gets paid to post here.
No one gets paid to post here.
hahaha what are you Sean an idiot. I have asked you numerous times when I have lied about you. Answer the questions. Do you honestly think people on here are stupid and believe what you say. I make you look like shit and a scumbag cause it's easy. You are funny and so easy to bait. You have no defense. You have all but admitted this is a gimmick account yet you still use it like someone is supporting you. You boy are a moron. No wonder so many pros think you are a joke. Hey hope you have a great show. Won't happen but hope you do. And try not to bounce more than a dozen checks this year. hahaha what a tool
You know whats really funny, I even got you misspelling your own name. Going on the news agiain in Denver and see if they can get your name right this year. hahaha you are a joke boy.
This is the next Hulkster/ Truce thread. :o
Excuse me while I get ready to watch the competitors from the Colorado Pro play basketball with the checks they were given.
Don't foreget your checks bounced too. Remember the glass house theory we discussed.
Is it okay for me to make fun of Shawn? I've never bounced a check! ;D
No in another thread or this one Hank Wood showed he was Sean by asking me why I am jealous of him or whatever and also made the mstake of putting me down instead of Sean and also signs Peace and someone else said he has misspelled liar the same way. Hank is Sean.
hahaha I talked to several BB (pro and amatuer) who just laugh when I asked them what they think of you. And why do you constantly avoid proving I have lied about you. I have asked numerous times to show me once where I have lied about you and you haven't. Dude you lost ALL your credibility and you never had integrity or honor. What a embarrassment.
Things that make you go HMMmmmm.
After reading this thread, I realized 2 things:
I have no sympathy for ignorance.
Again Sean you avoid the facts. Typical Sean Ray. Like I have said where I have lied about you. COme on boy, man-up. Do something a man would do for once. Own up to your shit. You are a coward. How embarassing it must be to be related to you knowing how you are. I feel sorry for you. Aloha
Again Sean you avoid the facts. Typical Sean Ray. Like I have said where I have lied about you. COme on boy, man-up. Do something a man would do for once. Own up to your shit. You are a coward. How embarassing it must be to be related to you knowing how you are. I feel sorry for you. Aloha
The problem with Chick is he should be echoing what ALL the Pros want. Not some of them....If he has an idea that could help them, he should run it by everyone with a pro card...And then it becomes theirs...
And I've tried....emails sent out, meetings set up, talking to fellow pro's at the shows, etc....all with little to no response.
Chick likes to believe that he is doing XY and Z for the athletes...That is not your job...You should be doing what they want as a whole...
I need YOU to tel me what MY job is? You dont know what goes on, you get your info on the web...just like you obviously had no idea that emails have been sent, I've posted the proposals right here on this site for all the world (and the pro's) to see BEFORE the ever went before the board....
You should be answering questions in the form of the athletes wanted this or the athletes wanted that...That way they "the athletes" have ownership for everything that is done in their name...Stop being a single entity in their name...
Thats what a "representative" does...it's the very definition of it. A single entity representing many. Just what changes do you believe they didn't want? Please list them...Actually, you can show everone you know what your talking about....and list all the changes I've made and which ones the approve and disapprove of.
If you are gonna represent them, then truly represent them...All of them...If one pro out there doesn't know what is going on, then you are not doing your job...That should be your job
When is it THEIR job to be kept informed? When is it THEIR responsibility to attend a meeting that they are sitting 30 ft. away in the bar area, and STILL dont care enough to come. Proposals have been posted, minutes have been posted, emails have been sent. Cant force people to care.
ALready covered it moron. READ. Unlike Sean I man up to what I do. I don't have a few nuthuggers and gimmick accounts to back me up.
Sean why are you on here seriously. Other than your gimmick accounts no one really likes you. And like I have said disprove anything I have said about you. hahaha you meltdown with every post now. You are weak boy.
dude you bore me now.
So man up. Where you or where you not the promoter. I bore you with the facts that you screwed people. You are a sad, sad, big man.
What color shirt am I wearing. ::)
I don't know, but I'd guess Kamali is wearing neon pink with bright flourescent yellow spandex shorts.
Maybe he does this so it's easier for his 9 spotters to find him?
What color shirt am I wearing. ::)
texasbubba, how long have you known Bob Chick? What did he do that makes you defend him so vigourously?
About 3 years. He is a good person and is trying to do good for the sport. Unlike the non-insiders on this board. Bob, comes here almost everyday and has to put up with BS from folks who aren't even in the industry and doesn't get paid.
ALready covered it moron. READ. Unlike Sean I man up to what I do. I don't have a few nuthuggers and gimmick accounts to back me up.
Sean why are you on here seriously. Other than your gimmick accounts no one really likes you. And like I have said disprove anything I have said about you. hahaha you meltdown with every post now. You are weak boy.
Keith, are you aware that by spreading filth and lies about Sean, that you are opening yourself up to becoming a victim yourself? Sean has the memory of an elephant. He will deal with you in good time, on his terms, away from the security of this message board!
Your attempts to destroy his credibiliy and family-life will not go unpunished.
You may giggle to yourself now Keith. But remember you will be dealt with in due course.
Keith, please read the first paragraph over. It is important that you understand its message.
Keith, are you aware that by spreading filth and lies about Sean, that you are opening yourself up to becoming a victim yourself? Sean has the memory of an elephant. He will deal with you in good time, on his terms, away from the security of this message board!
Your attempts to destroy his credibiliy and family-life will not go unpunished.
You may giggle to yourself now Keith. But remember you will be dealt with in due course.
Keith, please read the first paragraph over. It is important that you understand its message.
LMAO... ;D Yes, the bodybuilding mafia will visit you........good stuff
Is Bob still the pro rep? Wake me up when something interesting happens in this thread.
When is it THEIR job to be kept informed? When is it THEIR responsibility to attend a meeting that they are sitting 30 ft. away in the bar area, and STILL dont care enough to come. Proposals have been posted, minutes have been posted, emails have been sent. Cant force people to care.
You have a gut of an elephant too now. And I hope you do get back your memory so you can pay me back and admit to everything. And by the way in case you didn't notice (which obviously you haven't) you destroyed your own life. If you kept your big mouth shut for once you would still be admired. But you had to try and be something you aren't and now it got you into trouble. This gimmick account is really funny too. And boy, you scare me as much Peter Pan. I'll be at the Olympia this year it looks like so come see me. I would LOVE you to try and scare me. In fact I beg you too.
I know, Sean makes it sound like I messed with such a bad man. You would think he would be working on his show. But I guess it is night there so he can now play on Getbig. Gotta love a boy with a toy.
This thread is this far <> from getting dumped into the dump pool. If it continues on it's current path... it's gone. Clean it up or loose it to the owned board.
With all due respect Chick,
if they refused to attend the meeting, then your job doesn't carry much value does it? Pros refused to give you any respect. Why? Is it because they're content with what they have or they just don't like you?
Traditionally, this "non interest" goes back some time....most are content to get what they get, or bitch behind the scenes. It's not respect for ME that is in question...it's respect for themselves.
Ah yes... the infamous Arnold meeting where certain athletes sat outside in the lobby telling people nobody has gone in... not to bother. The writing was on the wall even back then... everybody is an individual, there is no group mentality in bodybuilding.
Bingo!
Thats the problem, my friend.
Glad you were there to witness it....
Bob,
Did your best friend Shawn Ray attend your meeting?
No, he didn't...
Bob, do you ever wonder why you need to be there to make changes for the apathetic pro bodybuilders? What is wrong with the IFBB pro division that they need a pro rep in the first place? Surely the IFBB should know how to run bodybuilding and benefit the bodybuilders? Guess not. Keep up the good work. Your posts about the slack bodybuilders are funny.
Keith, you do not make appearances at shows anymore! Is it because you may run into Sean? Or is your weight the issue?
No one can "run into" shawn.....you can only "run over" shawn. ;D
Get it, hes short...
Bob, do you ever wonder why you need to be there to make changes for the apathetic pro bodybuilders? What is wrong with the IFBB pro division that they need a pro rep in the first place? Surely the IFBB should know how to run bodybuilding and benefit the bodybuilders? Guess not. Keep up the good work. Your posts about the slack bodybuilders are funny.
no
there should be an athlete rep position and it should be a payed position,,after reviewing again what he did last year for bodybuilding and bodybuilders i do think he is the best guy you will find as of now for this job,,ifbb should pay for this position,,hes out spoken and pretty smart and most important presentable,,he gets shit done even if it not done fast he get it done! as in get it through the system at the end and this is what matters
you all complain but no one fuckin wanna do anything,,me included,,he actually does something,,if you want to be athlete rep run for it but its hard for me to believe that other athlete rep will do better job than he does right now
it shoudl be payed position
And also Keith, let me remind you that there will consequences for your actions.
You have been very misleading, and have spread many hateful untruths about Sean!
Keith, you made choices and they were poor ones at that! This hate campaign you continue to run against Sean, must and will end!
hank.. is shawn your sugar daddy?
Hank is Shawn's gimmick account
no
there should be an athlete rep position and it should be a payed position,,after reviewing again what he did last year for bodybuilding and bodybuilders i do think he is the best guy you will find as of now for this job,,ifbb should pay for this position,,hes out spoken and pretty smart and most important presentable,,he gets shit done even if it not done fast he get it done! as in get it through the system at the end and this is what matters
you all complain but no one fuckin wanna do anything,,me included,,he actually does something,,if you want to be athlete rep run for it but its hard for me to believe that other athlete rep will do better job than he does right now
it shoudl be payed position
the IFBB should pay Bob to be an athletes rep????Really??? Do you really believe they want the athletes to have leadership? I don't know of one business that is for a union and organization...I think they like the fact that you bodybuilders care only about yourself interest...
Of course....Wayne used to revel in the fact that the BBers would never be able to organize themselves into anything remotely associated with a union or association.
You are right, no business wants to see a union, etc....with it, they lose control.
the sport needs acceptance by the public as a sport. bodybuilding isn't regarded as a sport today...because it would be similar to...who's the best drug user to create the perfect image?
and, is that a sport, yes or no? and what does a professional bodybuilder shrink to once he retires? isn't that an odd question? how can you have a legitimate sport based on a false(unreal) premise? when the rules are enforced, at this point all that's required is an association of members and their agent. but what do i know?
dude, i'm just raising points of discussion :)
But Why...Why not do like the NFL Players and have a governing body...someone who really goes to bat when something happens like a suspension or something.....Is it because the top tier guys dont think they have anything to gain?
VINCE BASILE FOR ATHLETE'S REP!hahah a
LEE PRIEST FOR IFBB REP
1. We have no union or association, etc., you need everyone on the same page in order for that to happen...
2. 'Going to Bat' is reletive...I'll give you 2 senarios:
The Lee situation...there was nothing to go to bat with, a rule thats been in place since day one...a prescedent which has already been set in terms of action as a result of violation, and zero support from any other athlete expresssing their desire to compete elsewhere.
The Silvio situation...where I had an opportunity to help an athlete out, as it was more of a grey area, language barrier, third party involvement, etc....went to bat, rectified the situation with no recourse taken on the athlete.
3. The top tier guys look at it as "what I have/ stand to LOSE"....not the other way around.
LEE PRIEST FOR IFBB REP
LEE PRIEST FOR IFBB REP
YEAH BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO....THEY ARE HAPPY BEING SCREWED SO LET THEM.......THEY COMPLAIN AND DO NOTHING SO THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.......
Lee is the role model for the aspiring youth!!
YES YES I AM.....HAVE YOU SEEN TODAYS YOUTH....WELL ENOUGH SAID.....I SHALL LEAD THEM
LEE WHAT UP....YO IF YOU WAS THE IFBB REP...WHAT WOULD BE YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY?
YES YES I AM.....HAVE YOU SEEN TODAYS YOUTH....WELL ENOUGH SAID.....I SHALL LEAD THEM
CHANGING THAT STUPID RULE BOOK....THROW IT OUT AND START AGAIN.............
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Marvelous Melvin Anthony IFBB Pro >:(
Melvin and Bob are cool...
(http://getbig.com/pics/california/max20070428/max3436.jpg)
YEAH BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO....THEY ARE HAPPY BEING SCREWED SO LET THEM.......THEY COMPLAIN AND DO NOTHING SO THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.......
And in contrast... You weren't being screwed by any means... complained about everything anyway... did something about it... and now YOU are getting what you deserve.
43 pages and what have we learnt?
one by one, these 'ifbb rebels' have fizzled out, some quicker than others ::)
Chick is still here taking on all comers and patiently explaining his actions.
he hasn't explained the IFBBs selective enforcement of its "rules"
because he didnt lay down spread-eagled with his ankles behind his head, and say......."Put it in me IFBB" ::)
No... my point was... He was a consistent TOP finisher, winner of several shows, featured on numerous covers, featured inside magazines constantly, a crowd favorite, and a featured spokesperson for a high profile company.
What was to complain about... any number of competitors would have loved having those problems. He didn't have to work (except booth appearances), had disposable income to spend on his hobby, ate, trained, (won't get into the negative stuff), and competed. That's the ultimate bodybuilders dream... just doing what you enjoy and making a good living at it, hell thats anybody's dream. Who in this thread would complain about living the life he HAD.
I'm not bashing Lee, he made a choice, everyone is entitled to make choices thats what freedom is all about... but there is a catch to making a choice... you have to live with the consequenses (if any) afterward. It is like any person out in the workforce making a good wage and living a nice life... sure there are issues with any job... then one day a competitor offers that person a pretty good deal and they take it... well it turns out not to be all roses either, so the person decides the other company wasn't so bad afterall... Oh Well, that person had a Non-Compete agreement with Company A and broke it. It happens everday.
As to your comment... That applies to NOW... if he wants anything to do with the IFBB ever again, yes he probably will have to try and get his ankles behind his head... and rightly so.
he hasn't explained the IFBBs selective enforcement of its "rules"
....two different things.
This has been explained too many times to mention...the IFBB didn't have any "selective enforcement" of said rule....anyone who has EVER competed in a non IFBB show while being a member, has received the EXACT same result as Lee.
The "Code of Conduct" is a seperate part and is a "guide" as to how to conduct yourself as a pro....two different things.
No... my point was... He was a consistent TOP finisher, winner of several shows, featured on numerous covers, featured inside magazines constantly, a crowd favorite, and a featured spokesperson for a high profile company.
What was to complain about... any number of competitors would have loved having those problems. He didn't have to work (except booth appearances), had disposable income to spend on his hobby, ate, trained, (won't get into the negative stuff), and competed. That's the ultimate bodybuilders dream... just doing what you enjoy and making a good living at it, hell thats anybody's dream. Who in this thread would complain about living the life he HAD.
I'm not bashing Lee, he made a choice, everyone is entitled to make choices thats what freedom is all about... but there is a catch to making a choice... you have to live with the consequenses (if any) afterward. It is like any person out in the workforce making a good wage and living a nice life... sure there are issues with any job... then one day a competitor offers that person a pretty good deal and they take it... well it turns out not to be all roses either, so the person decides the other company wasn't so bad afterall... Oh Well, that person had a Non-Compete agreement with Company A and broke it. It happens everday.
As to your comment... That applies to NOW... if he wants anything to do with the IFBB ever again, yes he probably will have to try and get his ankles behind his head... and rightly so.
The other pros are pussys if they complain behind doors. Its really not Bobs fault at all. imo.
Are you saying that Bob is the leader of pussies, not pro bodybuilders?
Bob, did you check your role description before you put in your signature?
Look, I am no close friend of Bob Chic obviously, but I sincerely feel he is good for bodybuilding. Granted not every pro is gonna love every one of his ideas, but, he is a sincere, intelligent guy that has a genuine passion for bodybuilding.
Yes, bob has unintentionally became the KING of pussy IFBB bb's.... :-[
Any one who complains and shuts up when the time is right to explain, is a pussy.
Look, I am no close friend of Bob Chic obviously, but I sincerely feel he is good for bodybuilding. Granted not every pro is gonna love every one of his ideas, but, he is a sincere, intelligent guy that has a genuine passion for bodybuilding.
It was the highlight of the Colorado pro expo today for me, to get to speak at some length with Bob about many issues in the IFBB. My girlfriend is still new to all this but felt a guy like Bob is the ideal kind of image the sport needs now. I agree.
The expo was a bit disorganized and I was a disppointed overall. I applaud many of those that work the booths for their efforts however.
What was disorganzied
Look, I am no close friend of Bob Chic obviously, but I sincerely feel he is good for bodybuilding. Granted not every pro is gonna love every one of his ideas, but, he is a sincere, intelligent guy that has a genuine passion for bodybuilding.
It was the highlight of the Colorado pro expo today for me, to get to speak at some length with Bob about many issues in the IFBB. My girlfriend is still new to all this but felt a guy like Bob is the ideal kind of image the sport needs now. I agree.
The expo was a bit disorganized and I was a disppointed overall. I applaud many of those that work the booths for their efforts however.
Back off Keith.
Do not attempt to legitimise your presence here!
Chick constantly mocks and derides you.
What is it with fat people? Why do they continue to subject themselves to ridicule!
You just dont get it Keith!
You just dont get it Keith!
You are basically telling me that the IFBB cooked up a "code of conduct"
so that they can in fact selectively enforce policy, but not their rules.
Under rules
Rule 8 - drug testing
8.1 Policy statement "the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods - to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair play, undermines the value of the sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes"
I guess the IFBB really must enforce this rule as won your world masters title drug free, right Chick?
No...they cooked up a code of conduct to cover their ass on things that would be hard to enforce under the law.....just like any pro organization has, baseball, football, basketball, etc, etc. You join a org. or federation of your own free will and agree to abide by the rules set forth.
The IFBB reserves the RIGHT to enforce these rules anytime they wish...and we agree to be subject to those rules should they be brought into play...drug testing included.
No...they cooked up a code of conduct to cover their ass on things that would be hard to enforce under the law.....just like any pro organization has, baseball, football, basketball, etc, etc. You join a org. or federation of your own free will and agree to abide by the rules set forth.
The IFBB reserves the RIGHT to enforce these rules anytime they wish...and we agree to be subject to those rules should they be brought into play...drug testing included.
The IFBB reserves the RIGHT to enforce these rules anytime they wish
So you are saying the IFBB selectively enforces its rules?
thanks Chick.
Bob admits the crap is arbitrary, then defends it because "everyone does it".
If fuccking athletes over is good enough for MLB or NBA, it's good enough for IFBB! ::)
Chick works with the crumbs he gets from the ifbb and tries to put them together to make a sandwich.
this is as good as it gets for pro bbers. there will be no revolution at the ifbb door step.
think about it people. vince mcmahon was in his corporate prime when he tried to step on weider's toes and even with his great promise of stardom and contracts to rival the wwf only a few followed. so much for the disgruntled ifbb bbers ::). obviously, even with mcmahon's midas touch it STILL turned out a disaster and weider said i told you so and pay me 30 000 to get your contract back thanks.
most simply retired, but the fact is NONE of those guys ever came back to former glory, whether they paid up or not. i wonder why? :-X
considering mcmahon's failure why in the world would any successful pro bber even think about following lee ???
i'm sorry but let's talk reality here. pro bbers are all hot air and bullshit. when it comes time to walk their talk they go belly up and piss themselves. how long did melvyn last? milos? did luke actually make an appearance on this thread? i guess he must be over the moon with his lot then ::)
pro bbers are worse than a moaning bitch with pmt. i say worse because at least the bitch has power of the pussy. wtf a pro bber got? one don't put out there's always someone else that'll bend over and take it in the ass. hello Chick. ;D
What was disorganzied
Nothing short of full and complete drug testing is going to work. Ditto for inserts and oil. Everyone, including the public knows what is going on. If drugs are needed to be a big bodybuilder then no one is buying it. Period.
I don't expect nincompoops like Chick to comprehend and appreciate this.
Nothing short of full and complete drug testing is going to work. Ditto for inserts and oil. Everyone, including the public knows what is going on. If drugs are needed to be a big bodybuilder then no one is buying it. Period.
I don't expect nincompoops like Chick to comprehend and appreciate this.
Yeah, Catch 22 in bodybuilding. If they test for drugs no one will be left to compete and those who use will go to another organization. Let us face it, bodybuilding died a long time ago.
When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.
Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.
Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.
When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.
Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.
Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.
DEARTH:
READ man, R E A D....it's not that tough to understand.
When kids look at Mr Olympia competitors and say, "Steroids!" the sport is finished. I wonder how many people here actually talk to people. The natural scene is healthy but is stained by the drug users. So many here just assume drugs will always be part of the sport than they literally cannot conceive of it being anything else.
Year after year it is the same story. Ben gave up. Joe is sick. Bob is a great guy doing his best but takes orders. Who is going to save the IFBB and professional bodybuilding? Women's bodybuilding died long ago. Drugs and boob jobs. Both way too obvious.
Unless we have a clean sport or one that is seen to be clean then we will always be a subculture.
Chick,
actually all is perfectly clear.
From the mouth/keyboard of Chick, in this very thread.
"the IFBB doesn't selectively enforce its rules"
"the IFBB reserves the right to enforce these rules anytime they wish"
However, Bob it seems as though you are confused.
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We can build muscle without drugs. The legal supplements and proper lifting can work...................I m proof..........myseone.. .......mindspin......... .baby herc...............and alot of others.
All you kids out there have an option, you DONT have to commit a FELONY.
Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.
Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.
Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.
Still cant figure it out i see....there are the RULES, which they dont deviate from...and there is the Code of conduct, which are a set of beliefs and suggestions...which are open to interpretation, and SUBJECT to being imposed depending on the situation.
I'm very surprised you do not event try to defend this guy. This is a perfect example where it shows you are more the IFBB rep than the "athletes" rep. You show NO support for the athlete. NONE. Of all the rules and what you call Code of Conduct that is broken everyday in the IFBB this instance is something that you should defend. And you wonder why none of the members show up to your meetings. You don't do anything to defend them when they need it. Very embarrassing for you to do this. This really made you look bad. Really, you should resign before you hurt more athletes. Good job
By the way, you didn't wear a tie. Shouldn't athletes rep have to dress appropriately for contests?
with all due respect War-Horse and your impressive arm size aside, i will reserve judgement until you are shredded and competing in a bodybuilding contest.
i hope you've got more than big arms. ;)
Chick,
still waiting for you to actually show us where this so called "code of conduct" exists
which is a seperate entity from the "rules" (as you put it)
Isn't there an official IFBB tie?
Seems to me there is a conflict of interest when Bob is a media guy and supposed to represent professional bodybuilders. How can he do both jobs at the same time? In Colorado he attended to the MC job and wasn't there for the athletes.
What was I supposed to be doing for the athletes?[/b]
I had to laugh when Bob tried to warm up the crowd. "Hello, Denver!" but hardly anyone replied. Ditto when he asked if they were ready to see some hardcore physiques or whatever language he used.
Of course you did, because you're clueless as usual...we didn't have the audience mic'ed... idiot.
Bob, stick with the media. That is your forte. Leave the ethics and issues to guys who can deal with those kinds of things. By the way, you didn't wear a tie. Shouldn't athletes rep have to dress appropriately for contests?
Take it easy, Bob. Don't get too excited. This is Getbig and Goatboy and I were just stirring a bit. Still, you should have worn a tie as an official IFBB rep. Not a good precedent there, Bob.
Armin wouldve won the colorado...!!!!who's the lady with the wig in the background, Bay Buchanan? :)
Who gives a shit if he wears a tie?! It's not like future bodybuilders are going to look back on that night and say "this is the night that Bob Chick did not wear a tie."
LOL...you have to remember...all the "not gay" guys on here like to critique my wardrobe on a regular basis.
LOL...you have to remember...all the "not gay" guys on here like to critique my wardrobe on a regular basis.oh, let me say...i thought bob looked smashing without the tie and the geek he was with looked like a fruitcake
Look, Bob, I feel sorry for you. Okay, I will explain what your job as athletes rep should be.
By all means...nohing like a annoying fool like yourself to try and tell someone what THEY should be doing...just like you giving advices to Arnold, and the Barbarians...
At the Colorado Pro there were at least 20 professional bodybuilders there. That would have been a good opportunity to canvass opinions and that sort of thing. You know, actually talk to the pros and see if there are issues or things they want to change.
I talked to every pro there...
Then you could have assisted Armin and others who could have had a better experience.
I explained to Armin what the deal was...he understood and that was that.
When you ask what you should have done for the athletes you are oblivious. How can you assist any of them or be there for them if you and Dan have to do the broadcast? You could have been backstage to make sure things were going along okay and that sort of thing.
I was there from Thurs., talked with every pro there at one time or another...was there for the Athletes Meeting, answered questions from some of the Athletes, was back stage for the entire night with the pro's until we went on the stage...
I know you aren't naive but you can't be in two places at once.
Don't need to be...
You literally abandoned your role as rep when you do those broadcasts. Also, no professional rep should be seen to be biased re the competitors. Thus, making positive and negative comments re bodybuilders and their posing is just not acceptable.
There was no bias...just MCing. It's a SHOW....I don't make negative comments toward the competitors on stage...I do my best to make each and every one of them appreciated and respected.
Hope this helps.
It doesn't...
You guys laugh at the tie issue but Ben Weider has standards and surely Bob should abide by them and set an example for other officials?
oh, let me say...i thought bob looked smashing without the tie and the geek he was with looked like a fruitcake
Look, Bob, I feel sorry for you. Okay, I will explain what your job as athletes rep should be. At the Colorado Pro there were at least 20 professional bodybuilders there. That would have been a good opportunity to canvass opinions and that sort of thing. You know, actually talk to the pros and see if there are issues or things they want to change.
Then you could have assisted Armin and others who could have had a better experience.
When you ask what you should have done for the athletes you are oblivious. How can you assist any of them or be there for them if you and Dan have to do the broadcast? You could have been backstage to make sure things were going along okay and that sort of thing.
I know you aren't naive but you can't be in two places at once. You literally abandoned your role as rep when you do those broadcasts. Also, no professional rep should be seen to be biased re the competitors. Thus, making positive and negative comments re bodybuilders and their posing is just not acceptable.
Hope this helps.
I have no idea if and when Bob is needed as the pro's rep. THat is the pros business not mine as a mere fan.However, I do know he does a great job as our sports ambassador and MC at shows.
I don't agree with on some issues and ideas but applaud his sincere desire to advance our sport.
I hope this helps
It doesn't
Wearing of the IFBB tie? Put it on the agenda Bob, i here you have pull within this organisation!
Vince, thankyou for raising the tie issue! Tradition and values is what you stand for! Bravo!
Wearing of the IFBB tie? Put it on the agenda Bob, i here you have pull within this organisation!
Vince, thankyou for raising the tie issue! Tradition and values is what you stand for! Bravo!
Look, Bob, I feel sorry for you. Okay, I will explain what your job as athletes rep should be. At the Colorado Pro there were at least 20 professional bodybuilders there. That would have been a good opportunity to canvass opinions and that sort of thing. You know, actually talk to the pros and see if there are issues or things they want to change.
Then you could have assisted Armin and others who could have had a better experience.
When you ask what you should have done for the athletes you are oblivious. How can you assist any of them or be there for them if you and Dan have to do the broadcast?
I wouldn't have an IFBB tie...it's for IFBB officials,judges... which I am not.
As usual, Vince has no idea...
Bob can't you get Vince an IFBB tie since he is so hung up on them... maybe he will ummm use it and you know.
No one wears ties anymore, you f'in dinosoaurs...
Actually, in business people do. But I wouldn't expect the clock-punchers around here to get that.
Bob, Ben and Joe hailed from Montreal. They put their life's work into this sport. Ben tried his best to get some respect shown towards officials at bodybuilding contests and, thus, the requirement of judges and officials to wear appropriate blazers and tie when representing the IFBB.
Those protocols and decorum should be respected and maintained by all officials when they are at contests performing official duties. If you don't like to wear a tie but are the only such person then you can't represent that person because of rule 22 of the official pro rep's rules. Rule 22 states that you cannot act on behalf of just one person. At least be consistent and not rewrite the code of conduct pages.
I wonder if Bob's cavalier attitude is sufficiently respectful of Joe and Ben? Gosh, Bob, you seem like a nice bloke. Just out of respect for Ben you should wear that tie. Anything less would be disappointing for the IFBB's favourite son.
How sad to read this lonnnggg thread and hear all the nuts coming out of the woodwork!!! IFBB athletes are "lazy"??? Notl likely. How about maybe don't give a flying one since their own sport doesn't give them a vote in anything that concerns them, nor pays more than a handful of them? How much would you care for your company if they treated you that way? IFBB pros can't exactly go applying to a whole lot of other places can they? Meetings?? Who ever heard of them?? Most IFBB athletes I know of don't even go on these boards, they're earning a living, compete for their own thrill and personal competition. Union?? Wouldn't someone have to pay them a decent wage in the first place to collect THOSE dues? Someone posted that the IFBB had their athletes addresses to collect the yearly IFBB dues, absolutely true, the only letter that was sent was one saying the new judging guidelines would not tolerate growth guts, synthol, etc....gee we all know how they adhered to THOSE rules...
Curious how with all the availablilty of online services, not even the athletes rep thought of having a "Pro Only" invite chat with the IFBB at the same international time so everyone could at least be informed at the same time, maybe have a voice??? All this childish whining about what so and so does or does not do is so unproductive.
I'd of fired at least one person. Immediately. Gee, why not have one of those kiddie like online polls to guess who??
How sad to read this lonnnggg thread and hear all the nuts coming out of the woodwork!!! IFBB athletes are "lazy"??? Notl likely. How about maybe don't give a flying one since their own sport doesn't give them a vote in anything that concerns them, nor pays more than a handful of them? How much would you care for your company if they treated you that way? IFBB pros can't exactly go applying to a whole lot of other places can they? Meetings?? Who ever heard of them?? Most IFBB athletes I know of don't even go on these boards, they're earning a living, compete for their own thrill and personal competition. Union?? Wouldn't someone have to pay them a decent wage in the first place to collect THOSE dues? Someone posted that the IFBB had their athletes addresses to collect the yearly IFBB dues, absolutely true, the only letter that was sent was one saying the new judging guidelines would not tolerate growth guts, synthol, etc....gee we all know how they adhered to THOSE rules...
Curious how with all the availablilty of online services, not even the athletes rep thought of having a "Pro Only" invite chat with the IFBB at the same international time so everyone could at least be informed at the same time, maybe have a voice??? All this childish whining about what so and so does or does not do is so unproductive.
I'd of fired at least one person. Immediately. Gee, why not have one of those kiddie like online polls to guess who??
www.ifbb.com
click on "constitution"
Have fun.
Bob I AM having fun, beleive me. Your endless supply of inaccuracies is most entertaining.
The constitution states "This constitution governs only amateur sport"
right below it. Does this now also apply to the pros because you said so?
Bob could you tell us exactly where the in the rulebook the IFBB distinguishes between rules followed (i.e. Lee's suspention) and rules not followed (unethical use of perfomance enhancing drugs).
Bob I AM having fun, beleive me. Your endless supply of inaccuracies is most entertaining.
Nothing I have stated is innaccurate
The constitution states "This constitution governs only amateur sport"
right below it. Does this now also apply to the pros because you said so?
No, the Code of Ethics are for all, as the "IFBB Pro league" is a part of the IFBB....they are listed right under the constitution...look it up meathead...
Bob could you tell us exactly where the in the rulebook the IFBB distinguishes between rules followed (i.e. Lee's suspention) and rules not followed (unethical use of perfomance enhancing drugs).
The rules are followed..show me where they arent. The rules state quite clearly, the IFBB reserves the right to drug test, and anyone found in violation may be subject to fines/ suspention.
IF they test, and IF someone fails, then they are subject to the rules.....ask Shawn if they've ever enforced it.
THE FUCKING IFBB WILL DO WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WANTS TO IT'S ATHLETES AT ANY TIME IT SO FEELS.
The way rules are enforced are the same as they ALWAYS have been. Nothing is new. Someone who considers themselves a bodybuilding historian could easily list... penalties, suspensions, fines, deaths & causes, failed drug tests, etc. History is bound to repeat itself when people are delusional, incoherent, not paying attention, don't care, or FORGET.
Bob your historical knowledge on the sport is well documented... give some examples of past penalties & infractions, don't just hint about them (there are people here who may be too young to remember things).
All he'll do is add some thread change the angle of it to one thats been around since the 50's, and claim to have invented it.... ;D
Bob I AM having fun, beleive me. Your endless supply of inaccuracies is most entertaining.
Nothing I have stated is innaccurate
"the IFBB does not selectively enforce its rules."
"no wait, the IFBB can enforce whatever rules it chooses"
Well Chick, you can't have it both ways. Sorry to say that you have been extremely inaccurate, not to mention misleading.
The constitution states "This constitution governs only amateur sport"
right below it. Does this now also apply to the pros because you said so?
No, the Code of Ethics are for all, as the "IFBB Pro league" is a part of the IFBB....they are listed right under the constitution...look it up meathead...
No need to get upset, I simply followed your directions and made it quite apparent that your argument has no backing.
You first talked about a code of conduct which doesn't exist or at least you can't seem to tell me where it exists
Then you talked about a constitution which, according to the website, only applies to amateurs
and now you are telling me about how the code of ethics allows certain rules in the rule book to broken, and others to be enforced at all times?
Bob could you tell us exactly where the in the rulebook the IFBB distinguishes between rules followed (i.e. Lee's suspention) and rules not followed (unethical use of perfomance enhancing drugs).
Still waiting for the answer on this one
The rules are followed..show me where they arent.
Section 8
Rule 8.1
please explain what the IFBB is doing to enforce this rule.
The rules state quite clearly, the IFBB reserves the right to drug test, and anyone found in violation may be subject to fines/ suspention.
IF they test, and IF someone fails, then they are subject to the rules.....ask Shawn if they've ever enforced it.
All you're doing is showing your ignorance and lack of comprehension skills...keep going fool.
All your doing is showing us how much of a joke the IFBBs rule book is, while providing comic value with your weak arguments
That's it, Bob, you tell em. Hang onto your important job at all costs.
That's it, Bob, you tell em. Hang onto your important job at all costs.
you're a dumbass.....
How much you think Bob profits from being an Athlete's Rep?
Last time I checked....it was a non paying position. So maybe he might get some exposure with it....but not much more.
Bob,
Would you consider settling your little Basile beef here with a good old-fashioned knife fight?
Advice: Tip forward, edge down.
Bob, Ben and Joe hailed from Montreal. They put their life's work into this sport. Ben tried his best to get some respect shown towards officials at bodybuilding contests and, thus, the requirement of judges and officials to wear appropriate blazers and tie when representing the IFBB.
Those protocols and decorum should be respected and maintained by all officials when they are at contests performing official duties. If you don't like to wear a tie but are the only such person then you can't represent that person because of rule 22 of the official pro rep's rules. Rule 22 states that you cannot act on behalf of just one person. At least be consistent and not rewrite the code of conduct pages.
I wonder if Bob's cavalier attitude is sufficiently respectful of Joe and Ben? Gosh, Bob, you seem like a nice bloke. Just out of respect for Ben you should wear that tie. Anything less would be disappointing for the IFBB's favourite son.
Mr Basille, I may not agree with all your ideas but I do respect you and your style here on this forum.
Sadly much of the basic human decency and basic manners is now viewed as old school and for "old farts" .
At actual contests most are decent friendly folks and Bob is a class act and wonderful MC.
Like you I have seen the sport change over the years. On the good side, it is bigger with more shows, more gyms and more info on bodybuilding now. ON the bad side, the drug use and wacky behavior is over the top now.
The bodybuilding forums are rarely places where folks use their names or attempt to engage in a real debate like gentleman. I still love bodybuilding and my opinion of Bob Chic does differ from you, etc. However, I respect you as a man and your candid yet reasonable style here on this forum.
All the best, Howard in ga
Yeah, I got it wrong. Bob is the patron saint sent to save bodybuilding. What a guy. His service to bodybuilding deserves the highest award possible. Nothing less than a gold blazer with gold tie would suffice to reward this selfless model citizen.
I would love for the rep to start representing, not meandering amongst the mindless. All I've heard is banter and sidestepping......I'm amazed at the claim of a good MC. I haven't seen/heard a good MC in YEARS!!!!! When the MC says anything derogatory about the athletes at any time, ever...that's catty and bitchy, not being a good MC. eeeeshhh
Funny there was never mention of a "Pro only" chat until I mentioned it, yes??
No...we had such a forum made right here on this site almost a year ago.
over and out!!!
Vince seriously,it is time for you to get a JOB! ::)
Vince seriously,it is time for you to get a JOB! ::)
Now at forty eight pages of garbage.
C'mon guys Mr Basille is a mature gentleman of iron days gone by. I know we may not all agree with his ideas but he does wrote in a literate , intelligent fashion and seems sincere is my point.
I respct the guy and his Mr Canada title, I only think he is not fan of the modern sport and his efforst better served telling us all tales from his era witch would be fun and interesting.
I don't know what Bob posts that sets him off??
I agree, Howie....he should stick to what he knows, and not what he speculates, imagines, hears through the grapevine and reads on line in his spare time.
A smart as he professes to be...this is how he forms an opinion.
Yeah, I got it wrong. Bob is the patron saint sent to save bodybuilding. What a guy. His service to bodybuilding deserves the highest award possible. Nothing less than a gold blazer with gold tie would suffice to reward this selfless model citizen.
He's just pissed because he's not getting any residuals for inventing "exposure "...!
That explains the time for the "THOUGHT and Research" you put into your posts. ;D
Shawn... of course he has time in between, do you know the kinda of hand cramps you get from cutting those bars with a hacksaw... it's brutal, so long breaks are a must. Typing stretchs the hands and eases the cramping which explains the lengthy posts.
(Footnote: Vince invented the hacksaw)
Bob I AM having fun, beleive me. Your endless supply of inaccuracies is most entertaining.
Nothing I have stated is innaccurate
"the IFBB does not selectively enforce its rules."
"no wait, the IFBB can enforce whatever rules it chooses"
The rules are the rules...if they are broken , the individual case is looked at and a decision is rendered...no different than the court of law...you still have yet to show me where the rules have been selectively enforced, as you are claiming.
Chick in case you haven't figured it out yet, you have performed what is commonly known as a self-contradiction.
Based on your own words it seems that you cannot decide whether or not the IFBB selectively enforces its rules.
Well Chick, you can't have it both ways. Sorry to say that you have been extremely inaccurate, not to mention misleading.
I've been neither...you just don't understand what is written...not my problem.
The constitution states "This constitution governs only amateur sport"
right below it. Does this now also apply to the pros because you said so?
No, the Code of Ethics are for all, as the "IFBB Pro league" is a part of the IFBB....they are listed right under the constitution...look it up meathead...
No need to get upset, I simply followed your directions and made it quite apparent that your argument has no backing.
You first talked about a code of conduct which doesn't exist or at least you can't seem to tell me where it exists
I told you exactly where it is...you cant see....CODE OF ETHICS
Actually you told me where to look up the constitution, which, for the 10th time, applies only to amateurs.
Then you talked about a constitution which, according to the website, only applies to amateurs
and now you are telling me about how the code of ethics allows certain rules in the rule book to broken, and others to be enforced at all times?
Once again, you cant seem to comprehend...they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
TWO different entities which according to you, one entity’s vagueness can be applied to the other entity. Doesn’t sound very different to me.
Bob could you tell us exactly where the in the rulebook the IFBB distinguishes between rules followed (i.e. Lee's suspention) and rules not followed (unethical use of perfomance enhancing drugs).
Still waiting for the answer on this one
Still the same answer...
The rules are followed..show me where they arent.
Still the same answer? Creating a smokescreen to hide the fact that rules being broken?
Section 8
Rule 8.1
please explain what the IFBB is doing to enforce this rule.
That onus is up to the IFBB...not me, and certainly not the athletes...if they wish to test...thats their right...if they dont...they don't.
So the IFBB is turning a blind eye to rule 8.1, while readily enforcing other rules…aka selective enforcement of rules.
Very good Chick, I didn’t think you would finally admit that the IFBB rule book is somewhat of a joke.
The rules state quite clearly, the IFBB reserves the right to drug test, and anyone found in violation may be subject to fines/ suspention.
IF they test, and IF someone fails, then they are subject to the rules.....ask Shawn if they've ever enforced it.
All you're doing is showing your ignorance and lack of comprehension skills...keep going fool.
All your doing is showing us how much of a joke the IFBBs rule book is, while providing comic value with your weak arguments
Your knowledge of law and how to interperet it, are grade school level at best...stick to posting bullshit.
Your knowledge of the English language and ability to interpret simple sentences varies with how badly it would make your organization look. Stick to the MC gigs and your radio show, as you speak a lot more intelligently than you write.
Bob who is the president of the IFBB and NPC currently.
IFBB- Raphael SantonjaIFBB Pro League- Jim Manion
NPC- Jim Manion
fixed
We all know what goes on at some contests. Whoever is called out in the first comparison group is 2, 1, 3. It shouldn't be like that but if someone is making the decision to call out the 'right' competitors the judges know who to place in the top 3. That might partly explain why so many results have seen the top guys get the same votes from the judges. That is unlikely in a close contest. The IFBB judges again at the finals and at that time the errant judges can correct their 'mistakes'. Even the IFBB system of rating judges is invalid. You cannot assess performances by comparing individual judge's placings to final order. The so-called divergent system is invalid because the judge who diverges might be the only one placing the best person first. The IFBB assumes the judges get it right and therefore if you don't agree with the majority you are not a good judge. Even their system sucks.
At the very least all contests have to be seen to be fair. They have to provide a system where the call outs are selected by random choice of judges. Wonder if Bob will take this to the next meeting?
Seems to me Dennis Wolf in New York and Ronnie Rockel in Colorado might not agree with you, Bob.
And Branch's fans think it was a great decision...and Kai's corner think he won easily....and my mother thinks I should have won every show I've ever been in....where we going with this one? NO decision will ever have 100% agreement...it's the nature of a sport judged on opinion and interpretation, much like ice skating or gymnastics...it is what it is.
When I see the results of the Olympia over the years I wonder how come there was so much agreement. Either judges are preselected by who they prefer or some other process leads to many judges scoring the same way.
Yes, the process is known as ..."knowing what you're looking at" and they use the best judges we have. God knows I've had my own issues with some of the decisions and the judging system itself...that's why I've been working to have it changed....
Can anyone honestly say Bev Francis got a fair go in all of the Ms Olympia contests she enterred?
It can be argued either way...there are those who think she should have been placed dead last.
Where did the IFBB find a swell guy like Bob? He knows how to answer all questions and keeps the IFBB in a good light.
I call it the way it is...some things I agree with...some things I don't. What I don't...I try and get changed, as my record will reflect.
The callouts ARE selected by a random choice of judges....
It's not one of your machines, Vince...overly complicated and confusing....it doesn't take a genius to figure out who has the best physiques from the start.
Manion does the callouts the way he wants to have them finished. Thats a fact. He has no business making callouts when he isn't even a judge. He has no business being anywhere near the judges table..
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Rarely is Jim the head judge...it usually rotates between Jim Rockell, Sandy Rinaldi, Weinberger. The head judge actually has no vote, and tabulates the scores/ collects the callout requests from the other judges.
Do yourself a favor, Keith...and stick with what you know...the PDI.
THEY NEED AND INDEPENDANT FIRM ADDING THE SCORES UP NOT ONE IFBB OFFICIAL SHOULD SEE OR TOUCH THE SCORE SHEET ONCE HANDED IN.......THAT WAY NO ONE WILL KNOW TILL THE MC CALLS OUT THE PLACINGS AT NIGHT......NONE OF THIS OH JAY IS IN THE LEAD BY SO MUCH AFTER PRE JUDGING OR SO AND SO HAS SO MANY POINTS ON SOMEONE ELSE..THAT SHIT SHOULD NOT BE GOING ON...BUT WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.....THAT SHOULD BE AN EASY FIX FOR YOU BOB PUT IT IN EVEN THOU I AM NOT AN IFBB ATLETE I AM SURE THE OTHER GUYS WOULD LIKE IT..agreed, all that shit about who's in the lead is unprofessional
Bob I AM having fun, beleive me. Your endless supply of inaccuracies is most entertaining.
Nothing I have stated is innaccurate
"the IFBB does not selectively enforce its rules."
"no wait, the IFBB can enforce whatever rules it chooses"
The rules are the rules...if they are broken , the individual case is looked at and a decision is rendered...no different than the court of law...you still have yet to show me where the rules have been selectively enforced, as you are claiming.
Chick in case you haven't figured it out yet, you have performed what is commonly known as a self-contradiction.
Based on your own words it seems that you cannot decide whether or not the IFBB selectively enforces its rules.
Still waiting for your examples....as stated previously...the RULES are NOT selectively enforced as I gave examples.
Well Chick, you can't have it both ways. Sorry to say that you have been extremely inaccurate, not to mention misleading.
I've been neither...you just don't understand what is written...not my problem.
The constitution states "This constitution governs only amateur sport"
right below it. Does this now also apply to the pros because you said so?
No, the Code of Ethics are for all, as the "IFBB Pro league" is a part of the IFBB....they are listed right under the constitution...look it up meathead...
No need to get upset, I simply followed your directions and made it quite apparent that your argument has no backing.
You first talked about a code of conduct which doesn't exist or at least you can't seem to tell me where it exists
I told you exactly where it is...you cant see....CODE OF ETHICS
Actually you told me where to look up the constitution, which, for the 10th time, applies only to amateurs.
Then you talked about a constitution which, according to the website, only applies to amateurs
and now you are telling me about how the code of ethics allows certain rules in the rule book to broken, and others to be enforced at all times?
Here you go..not that difficult:
www.ifbbprofessionalleag ue.com
look under RULES
Once again, you cant seem to comprehend...they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
TWO different entities which according to you, one entity’s vagueness can be applied to the other entity. Doesn’t sound very different to me.
I never said anything like that...
Bob could you tell us exactly where the in the rulebook the IFBB distinguishes between rules followed (i.e. Lee's suspention) and rules not followed (unethical use of perfomance enhancing drugs).
Still waiting for the answer on this one
Still the same answer...
The rules are followed..show me where they arent.
Still the same answer? Creating a smokescreen to hide the fact that rules being broken?
Section 8
Rule 8.1
please explain what the IFBB is doing to enforce this rule.
That onus is up to the IFBB...not me, and certainly not the athletes...if they wish to test...thats their right...if they dont...they don't.
So the IFBB is turning a blind eye to rule 8.1, while readily enforcing other rules…aka selective enforcement of rules.
As I stated...they reserve the right to test, and they have in the past, as evidenced by many guys who have failed the test and been subject to fines/ suspention. Nowhere does it say that EVERY show will be tested, or any timeframe.Very good Chick, I didn’t think you would finally admit that the IFBB rule book is somewhat of a joke.
The rules state quite clearly, the IFBB reserves the right to drug test, and anyone found in violation may be subject to fines/ suspention.
IF they test, and IF someone fails, then they are subject to the rules.....ask Shawn if they've ever enforced it.
All you're doing is showing your ignorance and lack of comprehension skills...keep going fool.
All your doing is showing us how much of a joke the IFBBs rule book is, while providing comic value with your weak arguments
Your knowledge of law and how to interperet it, are grade school level at best...stick to posting bullshit.
Your knowledge of the English language and ability to interpret simple sentences varies with how badly it would make your organization look. Stick to the MC gigs and your radio show, as you speak a lot more intelligently than you write.
You keep telling yourself that.....and I'm still waiting for those examples you insist on...WHERE ARE THEY?
agreed, all that shit about who's in the lead is unprofessional
Weinberger was not Implicated he was mentioned.
There is a differfence son ::)
THEY NEED AND INDEPENDANT FIRM ADDING THE SCORES UP NOT ONE IFBB OFFICIAL SHOULD SEE OR TOUCH THE SCORE SHEET ONCE HANDED IN.......THAT WAY NO ONE WILL KNOW TILL THE MC CALLS OUT THE PLACINGS AT NIGHT......NONE OF THIS OH JAY IS IN THE LEAD BY SO MUCH AFTER PRE JUDGING OR SO AND SO HAS SO MANY POINTS ON SOMEONE ELSE..THAT SHIT SHOULD NOT BE GOING ON...BUT WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.....THAT SHOULD BE AN EASY FIX FOR YOU BOB PUT IT IN EVEN THOU I AM NOT AN IFBB ATLETE I AM SURE THE OTHER GUYS WOULD LIKE IT..
Weinberger was not Implicated he was mentioned.
There is a differfence son ::)
God, you a dumberer than I ever thougth possible. ::)
We all know what goes on at some contests. Whoever is called out in the first comparison group is 2, 1, 3. It shouldn't be like that but if someone is making the decision to call out the 'right' competitors the judges know who to place in the top 3. That might partly explain why so many results have seen the top guys get the same votes from the judges. That is unlikely in a close contest. The IFBB judges again at the finals and at that time the errant judges can correct their 'mistakes'. Even the IFBB system of rating judges is invalid. You cannot assess performances by comparing individual judge's placings to final order. The so-called divergent system is invalid because the judge who diverges might be the only one placing the best person first. The IFBB assumes the judges get it right and therefore if you don't agree with the majority you are not a good judge. Even their system sucks.
At the very least all contests have to be seen to be fair. They have to provide a system where the call outs are selected by random choice of judges. Wonder if Bob will take this to the next meeting?
Dumberer should be spelled "dumber"
Thougth should be spelled "thought"
Damn you are so fucking stupid. I see why Tamali is looking like shit at every contest.
haha God, you a dumberer than I ever thougth possible. Looks like somebody didnt attend english class everday. ;D
Even one instance of a judge not having the competitors called out that he wants to compare is plainly unfair. If what Lee says is true that indictment proves the system needs an overhaul. In the event that someone was omitted from a list the judge should have the opportunity to call out another group. I have always maintained that the comparisons should continue until each and every judge is satisfied that he has placed the athletes properly.
In 1980 Olympia Danny Padilla wasn't called out in a group at the prejudging. Later I was amazed to see that Danny was, if put on a grid where everyone is the same size, the biggest, most balanced bodybuilder in the show.
At least everyone knows I invented something!
At least everyone knows I invented something!
That's the spirit! Hey Mr Basile, why not seriously consider getting into your best shape in years and getting into a grand masters div at a contest. Might be fun for ya to do that? You have NOTHING to prove of course I just think it might be fun to see you transition into top shape again as a mature BB.
Howard
He can't because there's nothing to invent, unless muscles and posing trunks ;D
And you are even more DUMBERER than Sean if you didn't get the meaning of my spelling. ::) I will admit though that the other was a typo. :-[ ;D
Maybe he could invent a pair of "Depends" that fit under posing trunks..? ;D
Maybe he could invent a pair of "Depends" that fit under posing trunks..? ;D
Isn't a pro any individual who wins their card?
Isn't a pro any individual who wins their card?
Melvin Echo's the opinion I have heard expressed by many Athletes regarding Bob..but because most are struggling already they they are reluctant to express how they really feel....Go ahead on Mel!!!
Maybe he could invent a pair of "Depends" that fit under posing trunks..? ;D
I don't get it?!?
Why are we arguing the point of honesty, fairness and integrity when it comes to IFBB judging?......thing is, if you strip away all the bells and whistles, you're left with something so obvious it's beyond question ---------> the IFBB is built on a drug culture so undeniably abused that it must be kept under smoke and mirrors, otherwise the truth would bring the whole empire crumbling down.....so you have this Federation whose core, underlying foundation is a lie.....so why the hell would anyone think that justice and truth would grow from a bad seed?......its bewildering.....respect to Bob for doing what he thinks is best (at least he's in there fighting), but in the end, he's fighting for the shit end of the stick.
Moreover, you have these rules that say its up to the discretion of the IFBB to drug test......WTF!......you either do or you don't......the IFBB is doing nothing more than sending a message that rules can be changed to suit the situation.......its a terrible attitude that sets terrible standards.....and that's my point - if your core organisational values aren't right, you'll never get it right.
Good luck Bob (not being sarcastic)!
I don't know about the above BBing Hate-Fest.
EVERYONE KNOWS that BBers use steroids. We are nearly The Sports Doping Poster children.
There's no need for denial its so clear. That makes a level playing field compared to sports where the athletes need to
"Cheat" to keep it undercover.
I suspect Racing, bowling, Golf, as well as even more arcane completive pursuits have playa's using AAS for a edge.
BBing is Strange thing no matter how you Package it. It will never appeal to the mass general public and thats good.
The Whole point it to be different from them.
Stand-out Arms, Chest,delts and legs that are unusual even in jeans and a
T-shirt. A strength/ endurance edge beyond the norm, even for high Rep/ volume pump devotes.
BBing is nurturing a lot of Self-Hate. Perhaps its just a reflection of the USAs younger generations today.
Nothing to look forward to in compare to even the 1980s.
Not quite. Left unchecked, and untested, some BBs will take more and more, greater and greater dosages until something bad happens. Look at Coleman's physique in the years he was an also-ran versus what he became eventually. How does someone who had shown no major changes in years suddenly leap forward like that? At least in the other sports there's only so far you can go before they reel you in.
You've clearly never had free access to all the low price HG AAS your heart desires, and the balls to run dose up to the point of no further gain.
ReRead the above. Not just DIMINISHING RETURN ON > DOSE. NO FURTHER GAINs PERIOD.
Pumping more in stops working at a point. Try it and see for yourself.
Your argument is typical of the "ALL Drugs Gang". As if, you ALL could simply take a bunch of Dope and look like even the 10th place guy at the O. Stop DREAMING and do somthing productive.
They'z allready at the point of no further gain - OR THEY'd have allready TAKEn MORE!!!
This is about winning!
The call outs are NOT selected by a random choice of judges. The first call outs are . From that point on the head judge
The callouts ARE selected by a random choice of judges....
It's not one of your machines, Vince...overly complicated and confusing....it doesn't take a genius to figure out who has the best physiques from the start.
Well, after reading a good portion of this thread.....
I didn't realize Chick's been bitch-slapping Vince Basile on these boards for so long.
Have you ever won a [single] debate against Chick, Vince?
Has he Bob?
???
OK SAY ON WHAT FILL ME IN QUICK VERSION THEN I SHALL RESPOND :)
IF ITS ABOUT BOB AND SHAWN F UCK EM............ ANYTHING ELSE :)
wow!Bumping year and a half old threads...to say this? ???
Bob is still a young fellow with a lot to learn. I think he needs points repeated quite a few times before he gets the it. I am sure Jim Manion knows this and is constantly frustrated by Bob. I won't call Bob thick but he sure is stubborn.