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bored as fuck with nothing much to do so thought id issue you a challange

lets see who can make the greatest improvementz to thier arms in 8 weeks time

heres my starting arm pic

WHAT YOU?!

pity bump

What you, indeed. i have read some of your posts re training. My conclusion is you have no idea what works or what to do. Drugs didn't help much. Meagre gains over several years. So what makes you think you will grow rapidly now? Won't happen. A tortoise can't beat even an old man and neither can you.

if thats true then why not accept the challange?

p.s. I'm a highly intelligent individual and i have figured out what works best for me through trail and error 😎

Just accept the challenge for entertainment's sake!

If you are so confident you have nothing to lose Vince :)

Think of it as a Clash of the Titans, Old and experienced Titan Kronos (you) vs a younger upstart God Zeus (dj181).

remember.... actions speak louder than words bASS-ILL

so lets see what ya got

stop with the blah-blah only and show what you can do

im gonna do mine and i predict that i will increase the ILLUSION of my arms

i.e. make them more beautiful than they already are with improved shape amd detail

i may not have the biggest arms, but i will have the prettiest  ;)

why dont you cut the bullshit and accept the chellenge of getting up to 200lbs any means possible

according to your calculations your arms should be 19 inches at that weight

Do it, dont challenge and old man, just do it

the heaviest i have ever been is 2-0-9 under the tutaledge of Dr. John Mark Blakely

and that was as a natty in fact

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143467433

heres Dr. Blakleys eating tips

so do it again

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"I don't feel sorry for
 those who lack the discipline to eat more." - JM Blakely

and miester use my face here not the worst one ive ever had

Saved ...nice cap ;)

people who overeat get fat, they dont gain more muscle.

.

Thankz

blue is my best color

thought bout getting a bo sox cap but dodgers is better

lighter blue>>>>>darker blue

“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”

“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”

“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put ’em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that fucker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it.”

 “Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that fucker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”

that right there is the Dr. BLAKELY DIET

"In order to beat the man, you gotta out eat the man" Dr. JM Blakely

he sounds like a fucking moron...

Have you ever spoken to a mental health professional?

I believe you have been in crisis for years, undiagnosed, and have gotten by without killing yourself by simply chasing pipe-dreams.

hmmm... he earned a Ph.d from The Ohio State University

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTxOBkKDkzs

 ;D

id enjoy hurting you, honest to God  ;)

as ive said bout 20 times before i am a diagnosed narcissit but not sociopathic and an alcoholic

i know youll be sorry to hear this shit fer brains but i have ZERO depression isssues

anger and resentments? well thats a whole different ball game  :-*

Isn't it a bit ironic that you're a narcissist, considering you are certainly not good looking, and have the build of a homeless man one would encounter in a warm climate?

who cares, he still sounds like a moron

are you really that dumb?

Shitler was a narcissit so was stalin and nepopolen

im ok looking facially but my body is in the top 1% of the worlds population when im in shape

my IQ is near genius level

my VO2 max was tested at The Ohio State University @ 71 ml/kg/min which is WORLD CLASS

my hands are lighting fast accurate and powerful specially my overhand right and uppercuts

my stict curl is also in the top 1% in the whole world

and ive got OUTSTANDING HEALTH GENETICS never ever spent a day in the hospital in my entire life  8)

all that counts for nothing as soon as you signed up here.

was the first man to legit bench press 300 kilo in europe

clearly remembering him saying "you must bathe the cell in nutrients"

but i found that it isnt really true

whats funny is that i lost almost all fat and near zero muscle gear free eating one mcds meal a day

lagre coffee and a sandwich of some sort

thats pretty amazing without using gear

so hes wrong and you keep quoting him?

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remember dude

I do things solely for myself and myself only

you see i like to rile and stir shit up coz i think its funny and it gives me plenty of laughs

one of my fav quotes is... "you cant please everyone so ya got to please yourself"

yep that is my lifr's creed

my psychtarist helped me to realize that i cant keep any friendships because i attempt to manipulate everyone that i know into doing what i want thanks to my narcissism

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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unfortunately, old fart have no gym to build his arms  ;D

( Paul Graham gym is only 80km away from place where he lives)

this could have been his chance to shine, but unfortunately he is ALL MOUTH

blah blah blah blah

or maybe he has ZERO confidence in himself ???

Or maybe he is in his 70's you weird social outcast.

You actually gained serious muscle. Looking solid Dj181.
The face pic is a diffirent story. You look a bit unhealthy, very thin and pale.

Great tricep shot, very impressed! This challenge Vince just needs to whittle away some fat and DJ adds some mass and both are winners!

Ioi.

he's over 70 years old . . .

are you njflex  :D

he was basically the only one to state the truth, that i did in fact gain a decent amount of quality lean dry muscle

all my haterz keep trying to convince me i gained nothing, talk about delusional

im basically a master of manipulation physically, mentally and psychologically thats what happens when you are a highly intelligent narcissist  8) ;D

when i had the prized pecs i was a buck 54 with 14 1/3 inch arms and later when i focused on arms i was a buck 52 with 15 1/2 inch arms so i was 2 pounds lighter at the same bodyfat level 5% bit i added over an inch to each arm FACT

now i wanna see if i can get my arms to over 16 inches @ 5% bodyfat not weighing more than a buck 60

DJer the master of illusion and manipulations of all kinds  8)

age doesnt matter

Arthur Jones put over 1 inch on each of his arms in under 2 weeks and he was well into his 50s

age is just a #

of course . . .

I was away form the board a couple of months and just now see your arm pics and it struck me how much you gained. So I am not joking. Keep it up.

thanks bro i will

gotta fuel the haterz hatred

shape detail and seperation is the name of my game  8)

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here you go chief read it and weep

http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/Ironman/Facts.PDF

p.s. AJ does not lie  ;)

DJ, what country are you from?

Remember, he climb Aussie "mountains"  ;D

Columbus Ohio born and raised

home of The Arnold Classic and Mr. O 77-79

home of The Westside Barbell Club

home of Dr. JM Blakely and Mr. Jim Lorimer Aronld Swar's Best Man and I was trained by his son Mr. Robert Lorimer and I was also trained by Dr. Blakely and I acheveid my outstanding VO2 Max at the Exerciise Science Lab at The Ohio State University

& Ifbb Mr.International contest (I have some old bb magz)

Do you live in a mobile home?

Would love to have 1 of those aluminium build Streamliners , every surfers dream home  8)

 ;D

have you ever been to Hawaii?

surfers paradise i've heard

i was there right after high school as it was a graduation present from my mom

outstanding weather there near prefect as blue skies everyday and warm but not too hot

never been to Oz but ive met 3 aussie fellas here in europe and they were all total fucking dick heads, as were the english

strange thing though as ive had contact with 4 Scots and all of them were cool as fuck

and they all could drink like MEN, i was impressed

by the way, whichever mod came up with the thread title change deserves some PROPS

good stuff  8)

dj u need a spikey style hair cut

Arthur Jones was wrong about the requirements for hypertrophy. Intensity is necessary but not sufficient for maximizing hypertrophy. Volume is also required. Volume at the triggering intensity does it. In practice warm up in a pyramid fashion doing as many reps as comfortably possible after the first two light sets. Aim at 15 reps for a pump and to avoid injuries. When you reach the maximum weight for 15 reps keep using that maximum resistance for an additional 5 or more sets. Exercise selection is important. They must be both effective and safe. I prefer to superset arms to get a maximum pump. Frequency? Every 3rd day for best results and to avoid the repeated bout effect. Doms is the indicator of hypertrophy after using this protocol. No pain, no rapid gains.

Sounds plausible - not so sure about 5+ sets of 15 , but the general gist of it I agree with for the most part (keeping in mind Vince is addressing RAPID gains).

This protocol works for arms and calves. Imagine using it for thighs! It would be brutal.

I don't doubt that.

I'm in.. I can starve myself for a week and get down to 15 or something. LoL put on 3.5-4 in 2 months or so haha

yeah, many times , beauty land, loved America & Americana to the max, just nice (except those supermarket trolley 'drivers'/under palm residents)

the top model Streamliner (Airstream here) A$ 135k  :(

then that is your true arm size......the extra you put back on is just fat and water bloat.

amazing...

Drunk again vince  ::) , U & training  ::) , just looked yourself, fat as fuck  :P

You're fucking clueless.

What a sad life you live.

Impressive, jacked up MoFo...

Im not the one with a 15 inch arm...

Didn't you say you were like a buck fifty?

Comes across as a very Intelligent man  ::) NOT

Likely appeals to many Numb low intelligence people to follow that advice

Ahh you did - point proven. ;)

intensity and yraining til failure are requiered, OVERLOAD is not, thats where he got it wrong

i got bigger arms and i was acutally weaker than when i was smaller lol

its alllllll about fatiguing the muscle

allright, post up your before photos

taken now, not some old ass photos

nice work mate, I await his response... ;D

it was an awesome place

yep

but like god used to say..... "
so once again pupils, its all about ILLUSION"

Proof that vampires live forever. The Dodgers cap isn't fooling anyone.

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i hope youre joking shitzo or maybe just drunk again per usual

your looks make mine look like paul fucking newman

and dont even go to bodies mr shoulder width of a 5 year old LOL

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Not even at birth?

This is very unfortunate.

Leave njflex out of this nonsense.

Thank you!

he was found in the pit of discarded children in Sparta...

Hahahahaha

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the loud mouth windbags here are rather comical

put up or shut up

either join the contest or STFU

well i know you wont join the contest coz ill end up handing your ass to ya on a silver platter :-*

p.s.talk is cheap easy and for little PUSSIES 😎

blah blah blah and no action=P-U-S-S-Y

at least esf aint a pussy

Best you compete at the olympia & put phil & ramy etc to shame then.
its so simple.. ::)

I don't see that you've had any success on here with manipulating anyone

because its not real life here thats why chief

btw, ill start off training arms every day on a 2 a day cycle

first sess will be tris then ill come back at evening and hit bis

its not about load, its about intensity and fatigue

ill train chest, delt, back, leg 😚 whenever i feel like it

probably do update pics every 7 days

just took my first pill a few hours ago 😜

bump for esf starting arm pics

Do as you please -- I get the feeling No One Gives Fcuk.

frankly i dont care if they do or not

you see this is all about me and i do this only for myself but i put it here coz i think its funny the way i make guys melt

im cock sure confident that ill make very very good gains and i will docment it here

maybe ill even post update pics every 3 or 4 days, depending upon how fast i can create this changes

it feels good being a superior individual  8)

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take a nice good listen at bout the 40 minute in mark   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL2xGac3lWg

wonder if ill get any indirect effect like b-ASS-ILLe says i would

even the legs will grow according to him and AJ

How about who can just lose it and become best "fat and happy" person? Bacon everyday.

Vince, U should answer : ...

 ;D ;D

From what you believe it is obvious to me that you don't understand hypertrophy. There has to be some progression re load plus sufficient time under tension with sufficient intensity. Twice a day frequency? if you are not an expert you will have no idea what to do so end up doing crazy things instead of what is most effective. i post prescriptions because I know what works. Since you are not an expert you can't appreciate a true theory or method when you see one.

load isnt that important

wha is important is.... SUFFICIENT STRESSING OF THE MUSCLE AND.... TRAINING INTENSITY

you can train very intensly with light loads doing constant tension reps, stutter reps, interuppted sets etc

i wont use more than 20 pounds for db curls and not more than 50 pounds for preacher curls and my bis will get thicker/higher peak etc

in fact today on preachers i used 14 kilo and my bis will progress  ;)

actually its kinda funny usinv just light pussy loads coz its a mind fuck for others who see me do it and watch as my bis get prettier and prettier

shape>>>>>>>>>>>>>"size"

There should be no shame not understanding hypertrophy. What you posted is false and will not lead to maximum hypertrophy for you. You literally have no idea what to do. I can predict you can't gain much size using your ideas.

no answer eh? bASS-ILLe

heres ths thing.... you talk but i talk and I DO

the proof is in the pudding and the pudding will be my progress photos

im predicting that ill gain very fast the first 10-14 days then after that the gains will still come steady but not at such a rapid pace as they will in the first 10-14 days

I did answer but the content was in the quote. I fixed that. You don't know what you are doing and your theory isn't correct or complete so you will not gain much. Plateau coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Look, show some respect. I am not some anonymous asshole posting here. I have an original theory of hypertrophy and you don't even know what it is. Since you are NOT

an expert you have no idea if what I claim is true. So you default to your broscience nonsense and try to dismiss me by making fun of my name. That is attacking the person

not his theory. If you don't know how to discuss matters in an educated fashion you should refrain from asking advice from people such as myself.

Forgot I posted in this thread. Haven't checked replies, but I recall the old insecure guy trying to tell me my "natural" arm size was "15inches because that's what I said they'd after starving myself another week"(nevermind the fact I hadn't trained PERIOD, b/t mid-march & mid-Sept,ate maybe 2x a day, & have done only maybe 3 HRT-&testosterone injections).... &I'm down to hovering above 200. Usually even at 215-210, even 205, my arms will be within a few reps of 17in. No clue what they are now, but they seem much smaller than they've been in over a decade... Fuck, smaller than when I was like maybe 16yrs old. Was pretty stoked that from the time I was 16 I could always say " 16 years old with 16 inch arms, 17 years old 17 inch arms, 18 years old 18 inch arms, then it stalls out when I was 19 lol... Got stuck at 19-19.5" & don't believe I ever cracked 20 even when I was heavier. 1st time I hit the 240s I was dieted down(or dieted "up") & they dropped down. Since then even in the 220-240 they.stayed 18 3/4-19 1/2.... So, even if I did emaciated myself down to 15inches, its not like I'm pitting on 'new' size.

Why should anyone show you respect? Who do you think you are? lol at you demanding respect. Too funny.

I know you are using the word "theory" in a different manner; however, according to scientific consensus, you DO NOT have a Theory. You have a hypothesis.

You do not have a theory because you have not presented evidence from randomized controlled clinical trials. Therefore, that which could be asserted without evidence could be dismissed without evidence. You are deluded. You have no hypertrophy theory; you have no evidence for a hypertrophy theory. Thus, you have no theory to attack. You have ZERO credibility, which would earn you any respect among the scientific community. You have a crackpot hypothesis. No respectable scientist would give your hypothesis any credence or time of day. You have conjured up in your own mind that you have a theory. You don't. Accept it and move on.

Everyone talking about arm size as if this was a bodybuilding site. I've seen little bodybuilding talk about training and diet but rather contest results and the ones commenting on contest results barely train but speak as if they were experts. dj181, you posted up your arm with a close up pic but say you're about 145-150 which tells me that that arm measurement is about 141/2-151/2". Yeah, you're lean but then again so is Michael Phelps. You look great for fitness/beach.

I don't comprehend how someone can post for years on a forum and remain totally anonymous. No identity, no photo, no nothing. You are a nobody to me.

I don't have a scientific theory but a theory about hypertrophy. Since you are not an expert in this field you have no idea who the experts are. You don't even know the history of the theories of hypertrophy.

You of all people should show some respect for people who have achieved some success in the Iron Game. As far as we know you have done bugger all but have a big mouth and think you are entitled to criticize others.

Straight bar vs EZ curl bar?

Listen, you better only respond to me when I give you permission to respond, you hear?!?!?

You do not have any THEORY about hypertrophy. You have a HYPOTHESIS.

You are not an expert either. Experts publish in peer-reviewed journals and write reputable books. You have done neither, except "invent"
an oversized, crappy bicep supination machine.

You have not achieved any success in the iron game. You rigged a competition by picking your own judges. You have a bunch of "ideas" that do not even closely resemble a theory. And, you invented a bicep supination machine, which has never been used in any gyms (apart from your own). This is not success. This is success that you have made up in your own mind. COACHISBACK is successful within the iron game/strength field. You are not.

What you? Listen to this dude. So you went to university. Big deal. If you studied hypertrophy you would know that the subject of maximum muscular size is not anything the scientists are interested in. So at best they extrapolate beyond normal subjects since the large bodybuilders are not studied.

Don't come up with ad hominem attacks about me but criticize my theory. It has been published in IronMan magazine in 2000 and 2001. There are no journals for hypertrophy in bodybuilding. You represent the typical Getbigger flotsam who knows bugger all but feels he is entitled as anyone to act like an expert here. Nope, no evidence that you know much about bodybuilding at all.

Please outline your theory of hypertrophy for the board to assess.

What you? You first!!
Getbig has been asking for a copy of your hypothesis for years and all you've done is avoid.

 
 
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Hey, Vincenzo how is gym business going on *

(*remember, U a successful businessman)   ::)

vince basshole is a legend, trolling the trolls making everyone waste time holding the carrot out on a line  8)

uhh, already put on half a cm

as i said before its all about fatiguing/working the muscle which DOES NOT require heavy loads or even increasing loads

disclaimer: this is with regards to "aesthetics only" training for strength power athletic condition is a whole different story

thanks dude

i've never said i was a bb or do i want to be a bb, but what really strange/wierd is that there are rather quite a few others here who want me to be a bb  ???

imo they are insecure about not being as "big" as they wanna be and they see that im slim so they project their horseshit size fear on to me lol

if one wants to be a belly, or i mean body, builder than so be it

dont know where basshole (very good one brother Falcon😎) got the idea that im asking him for advices, as im clearly not, what im doing is showing and PROVING by supplying visual evidence that im.... (thinking about this for a sec 😁)

ok, im showing and proving basically that i am superior 😝

Dj181, you have great arms. I disagree with Vince that DOMS is necessary for growth. Many years ago, when I gave a crap about getting bigger, my training philosophy was borrowed from the Arnold Schwarzenegger Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding.

Arnold preached full ROM and training to failure on every work set. Never had DOMS except coming back to training from a break.

If you're constantly sore, I think that is a bad thing rather than a good thing... but hey, what do I know. I'm just a skinny twink.  :)

thanks bro

what i do is "aesthetic buliding" not belly/body building and for that its all about throughly working the muscle and fatiguing it and working to failure

i do have one kind of qualm though, and that is im pretty sure this training will slow down my hand speed and possibly even make me lose punching power 😩

oh well, good news for ma man che i guess

Just include hand speed and punching power exercises in between your muscle training. Mike Tyson was a big dude but his size didn't affect his boxing skills.

Delay Onset Muscle Soreness or DOMS has always been a key indicator of growth for me. Without the soreness after a workout I don't feel I have stressed the muscle to a significant enough degree to warrant much growth. Once you get to a certain size and strength however it can get very taxing to do enough to continually get the the point where Doms is achieved.

i thought about taking boxing lessons again coz i want to improve my puching speed, power, accurancy, skill/technique but i dont want any god damn conditioning training, but its hard to find a coach who will do so coz they got this conditioning aspect tattooed in thier brains >:(

Conditioning will go hand in hand with improving all those things. Practice will be physical, so automatically you'll get a bit more conditioned. You could even buy either a big bag or a little bag and just work on it in your own time. Coach yourself.

theory or hypothesis, it's interesting just the same.

i appreciate vinces contributions to getbig.

got this at my place to work on speed and accuracy but its already too easy

geared up a tennis ball to it and its still not that difficult pour moi

If you want someone to coach you, try to find a specific boxing gym or martial arts gym. Even if someone there doesn't know exactly how to coach you, they could at least suggest ways to train.

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i had a coach with 15 years of boxing experience and he knows his shit

but hes a stubborn hard headed bastard just like myself and he refuses to train me unless i go full bore including this conditioning horsehit

as an example id do 8 or 9 contenuios minutes of pushup situps and burpees ALLOUT NONSTOP straight and then get a 60 second break and do it again

thing is, i did get suoerfit thanks to my outsatnding genetics but why? im not gonna be a pro boxer or even ametur, i juat like practicing boxing

he told me that i had twice the fitness level of any holligan he trainied though  8)

this plus dbs and pully machine is all you need for arms

and you dont need to use more than 50 or 60 pounds EVER

could never figure out why you are here though, coz you are basically above this nuthouse  ???

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pm your facebook then ill add you and you can ask my boxing coach directly if what i say is true  ;)

also, i can link you with Mr. ROBERT LORIMER and you can ask him about me, but dont ask him why he trained me with the fitness girls on legs to humilate me as they could squat and dead more than me, but i DESTROYED them on all things UPPER BODY 😎

cant link you with Dr. Blakely though as i have no direct link/contact to him 😢

you are a self confessed narcissist, they lie all the time.... ;)

DJ. you challenged me to an arm growing contest then when I gave you my training protocols you try to make fun of my name. You represent the truly dense knuckleheads who lift weights. You make silly claims about training then wonder why your arms aren't that big. It should be obvious that even using drugs they didn't grow much.  You should conclude that you weren't doing something right. Maybe several things wrong. When you are frustrated you literally don't know what to believe and that is why you keep making preposterous statements. The increase in loads is important to hypertrophy. Go to HST page and read about the factors important in hypertrophy.

Well if you just like practicing but want someone to teach you or spar with you, go to your boxing trainer. Just think of that extra conditioning that he makes you do as a good way to stay fit.

1) I do not have to outline my theory of hypertrophy. You made a claim, therefore you have to provide the evidence to justify your claim. All I need to do is to disregard your "theory" (which is a hypothesis) based on the fact that you have ZERO evidence. I do not need to provide my own theory. That is the way it works. Hope this helps.

2) There are studies done on hypertrophy, though probably not with bodybuilders. Nonetheless, if you had a justified theory about hypertrophy and maximum muscular size, it would be published in any reputable peer-reviewed journal, since its results could be generalized to other populations. Yet, your hypothesis is as old and stagnant as it has been from day one. It's never been published, therefore, no one of importance will ever take it serious.

3) I cannot criticize your theory because you do not have a theory. You have a hypothesis. Further, I already criticized your hypothesis for lack of evidence. You have produced ZERO evidence. In that sense, there is nothing to criticize. I do not have to be an expert on hypertrophy to know that you have nothing more than a hypothesis.

4) Getting published in Iron Magazine means nothing. They will publish anything. Hope this helps.

DJ post a video-gif of you hitting the mitts or a heavy bag

He's been talking about doing that for months.

He talks too much , this is what I imagine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5oSdJTTB6A

ill have ask the girl that works the desk if shs can film me

youre joking right?

check my really digging the deca thread in the roid section to see my so called lack of progress lol 😎

but that kind of training makes muscle gain near impossible

it gets you fit as fuck, but say goodbye to anabolism

this is more like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZJrGuC92U8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_W4Gi5h9P8

arms went back down .5 cm

ill measure arms everyday AJ style  8)

You see, evidence that you know bugger all about training for size.

Soon you'll be able to simply purchase my "bees in a sleeve" training apparatus and instantly add 2-3 inches to your arm measurement - it's the future of training ........... and possibly penile enlargement, finding volunteers for the  clinical trials has been a little difficult-  but time will tell.

not really

its juat normal fluctutions in the body

end product will determine final results  ;)

plus if things dont go as planned you adapt and make them do

remember i have near geniius IQ

It doesn't sound like your gifted intelligence is helping you gain rapid size on your arms. Wonder why?

I gained steadily using my method in the past. Every workout I was bigger. Gotta tell you it sure is a great motivator.

You should be growing as well as getting stronger. They go hand in hand. If you get bigger you will be stronger. Getting

stronger may or may not lead to increased size. There is a relationship, however.

still working outs the kninks of my THEROY 😘

muscles need frequent stimulation to get more aesthetic

dont know how frequent though

currnetly hitting them every 24

than need at least every 96 but the more frequent the better

plus im not really training them that hard just yet

Mentzer said the harder the better amd it could be soon, but i sure as hell will find out 😎

Never mind Mentzer and your broscience. I posted what you have to do but you have no clue that it would work. You are a lost soul because when you don't know things you don't know what to accept and what to reject.

You challenge me to an arm contest then post that you are not training that hard just yet. Explains why you lost some size. Even at my age and trying to help you I will easily surpass whatever your results are.

BAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHAHQHAHHQ HHQHHHAHAAAAAA

i hope your trolling

because... You CAN NOT be serious

The Library of Congress in DC is filled with millions upon millions of books, volumes, items and research papers.

And even such a tremendous collection of knowledge and study pales in comparison to the understanding our very own Vince B. has in terms of Theory of Hypertrophy and Proper Arm Supination™

I think my nephew deserves to win a Hyper Trophy. Fucking kid never sits still.

but hows his left hook ???

I could rip your ribs out with my bare hands!

I wonder what Vince's V02 max is?

No you can't.

I would have you squealing like the little runt you are!

No, you would not.

With a face like this, how could one fail to become utterly delusional?  I almost feel sorry for ever replying to you... :-\

Shut up Vince, you're like 75. Your arm growing, muscle building (the way you're thinking) days are over. This is a physiological fact. Unless you get on something more significant than TRT, you're done growing. You have enough muscle mass to keep you healthy.

What you, Coach. You don't know what is possible at 75 so watch and be dismayed. No drugs here, either. No need whatever. I want to get my arms bigger than ever so I have to persist for a couple of months.

I might even design and build a new triceps machine to complement my biceps-supinator. Then no one will stop me!

 ;D

fuck off with that shit

post up your face pic

we all know you wont SEE PISS 😎

he is the one thats deluisonal

compare my bod in the imfamous green tee pic to this and try and tell me (and i dont maen you exactly, i mean these shitstainslike SEE PISS, SMELLS SOME FAT CVNTS, bequeer, ma man che, STIMULATE BLACK ERECTIONS, etc) ive made no improvements BAHAHHAHAHHHAHHHA

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) old man dreaming

Aussie blacks 'Dream Time' really exist inside Basile pumpkin  :D

why would 8 weeks be enough for a great improvement in arms?

even someone totally new to bodybuilding cannot make much of a difference in 8 weeks, so why should someone who trained for years be able to?

roids.and regaining lost size for one (oooooops, shouldnt have said that 😄)

any updates dense?

you said your arm grows everyday so surely there shoild be something happening

funny you dont ever post pics to prove it, only just blabber away about it

Don't get so impatient. You said 8 weeks. Obviously you are already shitting your pants because you are going to lose this challenge.

 ;D

je suis le meilleur 😎

so the challenge is on then. interesting

i aint backing out

dont know what im gonna do bout the rest of my bod though

trained a little pec today wih tri and havent hit legs for bout a week

dense is WRONG bout the indirect effect though

fixed

5 days in, need a better camera phone as my detail ans seperation are much better IN PERSON

Some potential there. Try to gain some weight and see what happens.

Is that a 12/13/max 14inch arm.
may look bigger better in real life
looks very small in pics.

im gunning to create an even better I-L-L-U-S-I-O-N

ideal weght for me is a buck 65 @ 5% just like..... Spiderman

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^^^^ impressive  ;D

how did you do that shadow? looks exactly like it matches but there was no shadow in that pic

What is this illusion nonsense. Just see if you can put an inch on your arms. Don't worry about bodyfat. Just try to get bigger arms.

Your brain and your silly beliefs are preventing you from making any gains. No one can help you. Very sad.

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duplicate layer, color overlay to black, set opacity to 12%, strech layer on the floor using anchors + ctrl.



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what the fuck are you talkin bout  ???

even fatmc gave me props and commented bout my progress from dis pic

bulking is a waste of fuckni time even on gear (its a 1 step forward 2 steps back scenario) the only case in which that may work would be of one is running gh and slin together

Without serious training 59yrs old.

With training

You are a peculiar kind of stupid that is rarely encountered.

Vince, were you bulking here?

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You're old as fuck.


You haven't achieved your desired look yet, so it's not going to happen.

40s isnt old shit-fer-brains

yeah i get it, you attack me coz you suck and your genetics suck

dismissed

^^^^^

Uses steroids, weighs in at 160 at 6' tall.

so no update pics from you dense, eh?

Did you take these pics at BeThere's house? Clean up that mess bro!
You look good btw.

Dude the pictures you post are from the 90's.

Scanned poloroids.

no shit

never claimed those pics were current dildo

these 2 are though  ;)

Is the bra and handbag yours or the wife's...... :D  Don't worry, I already have the lotion.

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Daughters  ;)

Haha. Epic 50 year old man, muscle shirt pic showing off the massive 14" pipes, beta genetics and "give me your approval/ praise" mentality.

Plenty of fat bodies with 20 inch arms.

Plenty of fat bodies with 18 inch arms that get destroyed next to 15 in lean & separated arms

Aesthetics and symmetry seem to be a lost art in bodybuilding. Sad!

true dat!

these dipshits dont have a fucking clue

Not many bodybuilders develop 18 inch arms. We don't include obese individuals. Bulking up is imperative for hard gainers.

never worked for me

here i am at a buck 82 after a doc Blakely bulk

Doesn't even have to be obese.

Besides, people focusing on biceps to put size on their arms are spinning their wheels.

Muscular arm size for the sake of muscular arm size you're much better off focusing on the long head of the tricep with overhead extension movements that put the lateral head in a weak position to contract so the workload is shifted to the long head /run-on sentence. The Finnish off with a couple sets of 2 other angles. I'd prefer with the upper arm perpendicular to the torso as with a skull crusher. I prefer with an Oly straight bar, and maybe with the last set done with a couple KB's hanging from the ends of the bar secured with resistance bands. Maybe 2 sets, plus that last light set with plates plus the Kettlebells. Then Finnish with pushdowns with upper arms parallel or close to it for a couple sets of as many as you can get the stack for. 20, 30, 40 etc and flaring your elbows out and getting your bodyweight over the handle when you hit the wall doing them strict with elbows tucked into your sides. Couple sets should be fine. Maybe 3 with the final one being with your torso bent forward about 45 degrees and stepping back from the cable pulling over head and having your elbows out in front of your shoulders almost cell year torso and upper arms are in the same position as a skull crusher and pressing out instead of down. That way you kind of mimic the angle of a Skullcrusher except you have tension the entire range of motion whereas with the skull crusher you lose tension at the top of the movement.... But still, put all your focus primarily on the overhead extension stuff and Blasting the long head of the tricep which will have the greatest impact on arm size overall. And not to forget to blast the brachialis muscles as well with hammer curls, rope curls, and reverse grip curls both with this straight wrist and a broken wrist. I'd prefer to focus more on curling in that fashion first and finish up with proper form preacher curls. Hella considered a nuisance jump over fences and move out into fields are moving to brush you'll notice how this metal fences bit and boat right here it's usually because the nilgai which is a big animal me 400 pounds or more jumps over this fence and it will catch it in bend it is they go over there but the mail guy will jump over them especially when the dog gives Chase most trainers neglect the brachialis and lack that 3D pop The brachialis gives out to the side of the arm between the bicep and lateral head of the tricep

Arm size is influenced by triceps
If you have full triceps your arms look bigger
how often do you flex your bicep in real life?

99.9% of the time your arms are by your sides

lesson no 1

always keep your hands up!

if you got your arms to your side you're about to get knocked the fuck out at any time

nah... I have an aura of invincibility , no one would dare strike me...

if you keep your arms to your side you better have some good wheels on you

not too big, just a good mix of quads and hams and very explosive muscle fibrers so you can quickly move outta the way if a punch gets thrown your way

train like a olympic sprinter, it may one day save your life

and forearms

your arms look goofy if you got a bigass upper arm and shit forearms

Mentzer had it all  8)

I used to be an excellent sprinter back when I played rugby, I recently had a dream where I was sprinting , I couldn't run as fast as I used to (probably the duvet restricting my movements) when I woke up I told my wife I was going to do some sprint training again, she just said "don't be so daft you haven't broke into a jog for 30 years"

Maybe I will work up to sprinting rather than going all out and my body falling apart.

Interim report. Arms the biggest in 5 years. Getting progressively stronger as well. Very pleasing to be growing at my age. Biceps-Supinator is awesome after the last modification. Absolutely brutal workouts. Training twice a week. Have to avoid aggravating somewhat tender right arm. Hurt it back in 1965 doing 250 pullovers on a bench. Tennis elbow from javelin throwing. I need a lot of sets to warm up. After the third light set most of the tenderness evaporates.Tore right biceps in 1977 doing a 509 pound deadlift. Silly movement for bodybuilders. I can't use much weight in the supination part of training biceps.

I should reach 18 inch cold arms in a month. No way that twink DJ will surpass my gains.

It doesn't count if you only gained fat on your arms.

THIS

plus i said greatest improvemnets not "biggest" arm

i train for ASETHETIC BEAUTY, not "size"

Can you start training to be relevant?

tri update

need to clean up the diet a bit i.e. cut down on pizzas and mcds fries and colas and add in chicken breasts and tuna

also drop the pro powder as REAL FOOD specially tuna and chicken breasts pwn the living shit out of it, rather like i pwn the fuck out of stmulating erections gf and sister when i nail them in da ass nice and hard with my big powerful c0ck

would also like some feedback regarding my tris (ie. do i need more lateral head, long head, etc),from the fellas who know wot dey talkin bout like njflex, bequeer, esf, illpuckinglatti etc

I think if you went for more of a muscular look, instead of the eating disorder look, your build would improve.

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It's about time that you changed scenery. I was tired of looking at dirty laundry, old cd's, and lost souls.

why you posting a pic of yo bf bequeer  ???

No joke, 100% serious, this dude has better structure and better built traps.

cadaver of peace,,^^^^

 ;)  win goes to perma-bulker.

whats yo opinion on my tris brosef?

whats funny here is you turds trying to hurt me with this skinny stuff

um, it doesnt work as ive never had an issue with that, me thinks its yous that got an issue with it with regards to yourselves and you are basically projecting so, try a new and different angle  ;)

oh, and i think that i will probably have to add D-E-C-A back in as i can really only run winny 8 weeks tops

doc huge and coach trevor got some outstanding advices hint-hint 😎

you sound butt hurt...

im not about that

im pissed because i aint getting much work/jobs and im doing an experiment on datting apps and its going not as expected

im putting a real handsome guys pic just to test/experiment and he aint getting much love so it seems that even the models get fucked by the numbers game

listen here to dis vid @ bout 40 minute in and you will hear that even the model pua only gets 1 fuck out of every 21 girls talked to

id see the french and norway guy strike out constantly and id think to myself "why put in some much fucking effort to get no's constantly"

even an afro-american told me its the numbers game and i saw him strike out with 6 females in one night but he didnt give a fuck and he kept going😨

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL2xGac3lWg

 ::)   ;D   Brutal photo editing  of those spaghetti arms...

Besides your self delusional narcissism, here is my 2 issues 181BJ's

-if you are going on gear and reagining muscle, why not train your whole body equally as hard and build an impressive physique, ie why build up so called big arms juiced up at 160lbsripped/6ft(oh brother ::) ) when you can build up equally a so called asthetic physique overall juiced up with slightly better everything?

seems like a waste of winstrol and possible deca to just try to build biceps and triceps up a bit more while neglecting everything else and basically be a twink with nothing but 15 inch ripped arms

-2 you post the same 10-20 year old pics all the time, UPSIDE DOWN CUP CHALLENGE SHIRT OFF FRONT OF BODY FACING PICTURE OR STOP WASTING PEOPLE'S TIME AND BEING A JOKE.

I would stop or at least cut down on making fun if you did this and it would give you some credibility

 ;D
 ;D
 ;D

Boooooozoooooooo

so you think those headless pics arent me and arent recent  ???

thanks for the comp

but yeah they really are me honest to God

as for the older pics i never said they were recent dummy

and posted them as comparison pics to show what i looked like as a natty at different weights while under the tutualedge of doc blakely and Mr. Robert Lorimer

p.s. I dont only train my arms dummy, i train everything but legs

That's very contradictory to say you have no issue being Skinny
Your always on about gaining weight / muscle & your taking Steroids
I have no issue with them -- Just don't try & Pretend you ok With being Skinny  ::)

lol at people making videos about how to get women. Seriously, its not that difficult.

If you have a good personality, good education or skill, make decent money, somewhat attractive, you will be able to find a women.

It's really that simple.

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not really

show me a post i made where i said that im skinny

you wont find one

what you will find is me saying over and over again that i want to be pretty and not more than a buck 75

i search for the body beautiful and in my opinion 165-175 @ 5% IS THE BODY BEAUTIFUL

kinda like this... 165-175 @ 5% with 17 inch arms but i guess i will have to settle for 16-16.5 cos legit 17's @ 165-175 5% is VERY VERY OUTSTANDING and i have only seen one guy do it, a black dude with legs smaller than mine,,but oh those arms on him  :P

Good personality - Good education - Skill - Money - Attractive !!!!!!!!!!
These are Internet Getbiggers your talking about -  :)

haha lol.  ;D ;D ;D

I've been part of a few dating sites (okcupid, POF, and a few others). I'm currently dating someone now, so Ive been off all dating sites.

For the most part, no matter how good looking you are, women on dating sites won't message first. But, if you have the above characteristics, a good amount will at least respond back.

Not trolling, but Id say for every 10 women I messaged, at least 5-6 would message me back. Of course, this is an AVERAGE number. Some days more messages than others. Some days zero messages. Other day, I could have 8 or 9 messages out of 10.

according to this vid and vjd series by face and blm face trumps the living shit out of money, fame, comfidence etc

also.it claims white females really arent into bbc or asains lol

oh, and it was a black dude from flingland who created this whole series/vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnJMPQow7A

the 20th century photo of VB  ;)

I have very little knowledge of such places.
Fair to say it sounds like your having great success.

Hmmmm makes me think about being single .... Shhhhhh don't let her hear me say that. ???

what? that's not true at all. my inbox has 3-5 "hey there" messages a day, and that's with a bunch of mumbo-jumbo copy/paste jibberish in the "about me" section because i just wanted to create the account and not spend time on the "about me" section yet and just put pictures up none wearing a shirt and showing abs/delts/back and face of course. then, after i fill in the "about me" section, i'll have 6,7,9? messages a day from girls messaging me first.

so long as you've got abs and shoulders, and you're not cross-eyed, wear coke-bottle glasses, or just plain ugly, girls will message you. especially if they see you've seen their profile but haven't messaged them.

you always reference these guys like they did anything special with you that you could not done on your own.

this just shows you know nothing and your trainers were just as clueless on what to0 do with you

like seriously what you called making gains back then if you were under their tutelage I would have expected 10 times more than what you showed

and a 235 bench at 165 is fuck all. I once did 235 in a bench comp bodyweights for reps and did that weight 19 times strict(17 officially counted) without a warmup.

I am disparaging the fact that even with coaching you did fuck all with your strength and size, something most intermediates would have surpassed without drugs I might add

 ;)

helps to have good cheekbones and jawline, long eyelashes, blue eyes, and thick hair.

very interesting what youve said about it

coz i have created a fake profile with blow4shit as my head piece on 3 dkfferent sites mind you, and he is getting fuck all for play

so it seems that you are outshining this gorgeous hunk of a man, very very impressive bro

none of my pics are smiling all goofy, and he looks more of a pretty-boy. i'm not.

i've always said PlentyOfFish is like FishInABucket... back when i was fucken girls like i had something to prove, i'd go through 5 *new* girls in a week, every week, sometimes bangin a girl on a break from work at like 2pm who i'd already met a day or 2 earlier, and getting a new one again that night. i guess if you act like you don't give a shit (and i wasn't acting.. i really didnt give a shit) and you're intelligent and can carry on a conversation and you're better looking than any other dude they've ever fucked, they'll make the first move every time.

fair play

an american bud and my therapist both said this pic doesnt really flatter him well and the american even said that he looks goofy and too dark skinned and dark feautured for the polish beauties here in the krak

Please post up said pics of shoulders / back / abs
Do they compare with "be there's" pics ?

That would be one argument settled.

see, he looks to "pretty", like he's actually "trying" to look good. he's even wearing some sorta bracelet it looks like. men should wear a watch. a classy watch, not a g-shock, and thats about it. i don't even wear gold chains or earrings anymore. used to wear 2 22" fat gold chains (ii wore a 19" neck shirt) and 1/2ct princess cut diamond studs in each ear.... no more. maybe it's a different time and back then it was 'cool', or maybe it was never cool and i didn't 'get it' back then, but if i wore that stuff now? it'd feel like i was trying to hard. like dudes having hair with frosted tips. it's just all bad.

What the fuck do I care about compari g to Jeffery?

Anyways.. Shoulders back and abs
https://www.instagram.com/p/aDb4OTihv0/
https://www.instagram.com/p/aDb3Yuihvx/
https://www.instagram.com/p/XbOerzihvI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/XbOXh9ihu8/
https://www.instagram.com/p/eQx0r_Chpn/
https://www.instagram.com/p/ZhKLF3ihop/

Etc etc etc... None of those were dieted down. Eating pizza, hotdogs, mac n cheese, donuts, etc daily just eating and training

Fair pics - A long way off what "be there" looks like in his pics


" What the fuck do I care about compari g to Jeffery? "
Hmmm I don't know though It often appears you do by the way you constantly berate him

And there wouldn't be much size left on you if you did diet down to his completion level

Praise for posting them.

whats weird is that the females he hooked up with were just very average, but like you he seemed to like the asian females

others specualted that he was gay, maybe so

btw, you back and delts are you best bodyparts

it seems that androgens like test and tren really build cap and thicken the delts as fellas nowadys almost always have delts bigger than thier arms

back in the 70s 80s fellas arma outsized their delts and imo it was because analbolics like winny,,deca and primo were favored over andogens ie. test and tren

ive had capped delts since i was 10-12

What's wrong with your biceps?

what do you mean?

Haha, this is great, should use these photos, just screen shots from Gay 4 Its Youtube, he looks off season there, the lean face will get more replies on dating sites.

good point

ill give it a shot

see if it makes a diff

You're a creepy fuck bro.

I wish Anabolichalo would come back and crush this competition.

Think you're referring to the splits? The split between the long head and short heads. Or that they're smaller and flatter than the tri's.. Nerve damage in my neck and shoulders. Bi's used to be peaked up till I was about 21/22, then they got flatter.

x10

i'd really enjoy hurting you, no joke, dead serious

pound the living shit out of your ribs and make you cry  :-*

wouldnt want to knock you out even though i know that i could

would be much better just to punish you while watching the fear and pain in your eyes

my shape murders his

my bicep will just get higher and higher like al buckles had and my tricep will be samir bannout like once im ripped and dry

shape, detail>>>>>>>>>>>size 😎😜😝

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Your memory is clearly flawed. Your silly girl arms look ridiculous next to his arms. Why are you so delusional?

Notice how some guys have no clue about how to build up their muscles? These same knuckleheads have no clue about dating women so live alone in Mom's basement.

DJ is one such hapless, clueless guy. In the end we have to feel sorry for them. The amusement in teasing them soon evaporates.

"How to build up their muscles"? Who the fuck talks like that? And you got some snipit in Ironman speaking like that? 16yrs ago btw.. The fuck have you done since?

On here talking about "building up muscles" makes me think you don't understand how to grow. Do you even train people? Do people pay you (more than once.. voluntarily. Not because they re locked into a contract-till-death) to train them? I've yet to see My thing from you in regards to training aside from this vague bicep nonsense. So you made a machine that mimics what you can do with the fucking dumbbell, except it locks a person in to the range of motion dictated by the machine no matter if there's six foot four or five foot four have wide shoulders are narrow long arms or short... big fucking deal. What have you done lately? This month this year this decade

DJ started this thread as a direct challenge to me. So I am entitled to reply. Anyone who reads the whole thread will know that DJ is one confused and frustrated individual. Small arms even after using drugs. No one can help him.

Well that is what it is... But what about you? If you're not cut out for it just bow out

I don't appreciate anyone coming here and posting without knowing both what they are talking about and who they are talking to. If you don't show the appropriate amount of respect then I will have to ignor you and completely dismiss anything you say. You see, I have been in the trenches in gyms training for 60 years. I have studied the subject of hypertrophy since 1962. In addition I have paid my dues by training hard for many decades applying all manner of protocols. Eventually the correct method evolved and now I am confident that I know how to make my muscles larger and without resorting to any drugs whatever. Age has not been an impediment in this quest.

Please do not trespass in this field if you are not an expert. Stand on the side and behold what is about to occur and be amazed. Along the journey I have been able to design and fashion excellent and unique tools that assist me in my hypertrophy quest. These machines are the best yet designed for building the arms. Even a simpleton should be able to appreciate that anyone who can design complex new machines is also capable of creating a complete theory of maximum muscular hypertrophy in human males. What I have concluded has been overlooked by the majority of people who lift weights. The typical bodybuilder clings to his broscience nonsense and thus seldom achieves what should rightly be a reward for years and years of toil in the gym.

Do not come to a gym or a forum and think you can say what you please. Life isn't like that. You have to pay your dues to be an expert. I don't take kindly to those who don't show sufficient respect for excellence and knowledge. If you are not a peer then please refrain from contaminating a discussion that is clearly beyond your ability to even comprehend let alone respond to in an intelligent fashion.

what happens if VisualePerfection turns out to be the same height as you, only a 200plus pound boxer/mma/martial artist? Then he pounds the living skinny stick man shit out of you.

you like to talk about others not knowing your boxing prowess off the keyboard, yet you make the mistaken assumption that you are the only one typing who has these skills.

dj181 aka charlie zelenoff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SbRzXVQRcU

That background is Bangkok.

Vince has been onstage had build a very good physique, you are not really one to criticise him until you start demonstrating you have achieved anything close to Vince, as for him training people we have seen zero evidence you have ever trained anyone.

heres my take on him

1. he is a PUSSY irl

2. he has shit athletic talent, crap speed, quickness, agilty, stamina, coordinataion etc

3. he cant take a punch

it is so very clear that you suffer from bigorexia and since you do you think "bigger" guys are better lol

Thomas Hearns @ a buck FOUR SEVEN and 6 foot 1 would fuck the shit out of 98% of big guys 😂😄😅

my arms are better than yours

so..... STFU

There's zero evidence you've ever been married. There's zero evidence you even like girls, period. In fact, you used to claim to be gay with your other handle. All of a sudden you're not?

There's also zero evidence you're anything other than a troll who seeks out attention on  message boards

It ( you ) doesn't have any control over its mind - Severe Mental Illness has taken over.

In a proper caring society it would be in a Nut House receiving psychological / psychiatric
Treatment.

 ;)

nice try chief

i think a psyhchatrist has more knokledge than you bouf these matters lol

p.s. narcissism IS NOT psychosis dummy

I write a lot of things on here, I dont really spend all that much time thinking of what to type.

You on the other hand seem to pour out pages of useless information with so many silly claims and stories it seems that it couldnt really be typed by a rational individual.

You have been caught out so many times now yet you still keep posting ridiculous stories, any rational person would stop telling said stories even if they were true after so much derision.

So, are you on prescribed HRT or did you make it up?

here is the thing basshole (good one brother falcon😎)

a 16 arm at 6 will MURDER a 18 arm at 20

If you get your arms up to 16 inches cold you win!!!

by the way chief

which part of my tri needs more work? inner head, outer head, medial head?

pure joon

bet you dream of getting gangbanged by hin and esf lol

well fellas im off to hit bis and who knows maybe ill add in some BARBELL front squats

Hahaha

 ???

post up a bi shot and a tri shot  ;)

You are very boring.

You are the boring one.
Pointed any guns lately chief?

he knows.that im better

Which shitty gimmick are you again? I can’t keep you retards straight anymore.

I dont blame you. It gets complicated sometimes.

Excellent back and trap development, especially traps, is there a particular excercise you use to target lower/middle traps?

Just focusing on hitting the back from different angles and being aware of how elbow position affects which muscle groups get the majority of the workload. I tend to start the back workout with chins and medium grip pull-downs to the front to hit the teres muscle groups. Then its pull-downs with elbows in front of the body to hit the lats (grips/bars vary). Then I focus on rowing movements and keeping my back arched.  if your back is rounded, it turns into an arm movement. (when training clients I'll probably say "chin up chest out", or "look like a trophy" during dann near every set until they do it automatically), and driving my elbows back and squeezing my scapula together, even if the bar/handle doesn't come all the way to my stomach.

For the mid back traps actually rhomboids at the end of my Rowing movements I'll finish up with very wide grip seated cable rows. Ann's about as wide as possible and keeping elbows up at shoulder level like a "T", and pulling the bar to Upper sternum. Because the grip is so wide the range of motion is shorter and the bar doesn't even come with them maybe 8 or should even 12 inches of my sternum, however I still make sure to squeeze my scapula together with each rep.

And for traps, they never really started to grow until I tried doing power shrugs out of a rack with stupid stupid stupid heavyweight. 600 pounds plus, with range of motion that's maybe two or three inch sometimes but even though the range of motion is short I'm still trying to squeeze my shoulders up. Reps are still around 12-15, but they're rest-pause sets because I set the bar back down on the pins after each rep so there's like 1-3 seconds rest between each rep.

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Wayy back Oct 2015 during a little layoff and fat and smooth. Was doing 16+hr days and not able to train till about 11pm most days (if at all). Hadn't deadlifted or done goodmornings for probably over a year and its evident in my lower back. You can also see the adhesions in the back and still haven't gotten around to getting ART therapy to break them up.
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Nope. My own products.

So the HRT test you have are not done by a physician prescribing your meds, as such they are not HRT tests, they are just blood tests.


Thats why I was confused..

It was in prison ESFitness was on hrt. The Warden would spot inject his quads. He said.

I know, hes been on HRT from 2005 up until 2011, he also managed to keep getting prescribed test even though his test levels must have exceeded the maximum levels, remember this was his "6 grms is the sweet spot" phase.

First script for her was in 05. Continued through prison and after I got out for about 6-9 months until I went back on higher.dosages.  you're gonna fail at trolling me thinking you're gonna saying I'm lying. Haven't lied about shit. You see it's pretty easy to talk about what I'm doing what I've done and post a super long fucking posts and have everything I say in 2017 match up with everything I said in 2015 which matches up with everything I said in 2011 your fucking dumbass. Except either you have a learning disability or you're just a born liar so insecure it has to a tribute statements to me that I never made with the goal of influencing others opinions of me. People you don't know you'll never know and who really don't give a fuck about you and you can see straight through your lies and trolling

Thanks will try the routine order and wider grip high cable rows, currently do all rows with a narrow grip based on shit I read years ago but been rethinking back training recently due to few injuries and not getting results I want. I’m happy with upper traps they are ok but below rear delt level they disappear to almost nothing and it looks shit and have had it for years and have always wanted that middle back/trap thickness

There is no maximum. Once you're on HRT you get blood work done on Monday which comes out to 700 or 800 and you take your dose on Tuesday off of 200 mg then on a Thursday if you do a blood test it'll come back at about 1200-1400 and 12 days later it'll be back to 700-800.

And the "6g",  as if you're notifying people what I was taking and how much as if you have any fucking clue LOL fucking hilarious. You have to have a learning disability. You cannot possibly be this fucking stupid

I say this with all sincerity DJ.

Your psychiatrist is not with you 24/7/365, what you tell him in the chair and what really goes on in how you act in the real world are 2 different things.

I am not saying you are just a narcissist, I am not saying you are psychotic or anything else for that matter, I do not know you in real life.

What I am saying is that no matter what you doc says, you cannot just take that for face value, embrace it as the ONLY facet of your personality and that is just everything about you.
We all have many facets to our personalities good and bad, not just what a doctor diagnosis may be. Kinda like if you had diabetes, it does not mean that you are 100% DJ the diabetic, you are just a guy who has diabetes and have to do a few things to keep it at a level that is liveable/manageable within the context of your diet, lifestyle etc,

You are just a person who has a condition, and can manage it with therapy, meds, lifestyle etc. Like most things, it is probably affected by diet, meds, lifestyle etc. You would probably maintain a good physique for your own genetics if you ate a more balanced diet than what you post and stop worrying so much what you look like or seeking approval from your peers at getbig. And people like myself for the most part bust your balls because you are so arrogant and cocky about the whole thing.

 Look around this site. There are guys on here who have physiques 10 times better than yours, some of whom bust your balls because of your attitude, but they are also the first guys(including Be There, who busts your balls because of the way you act) who also compliment people who try to better what they have even though they don't have physiques that will ever place in ANY contests.

You can take what I say to heart or not. I am done messing around with you because you just don't get why I type the things I do. I would actually compliment you on acheiveing your goals if you just stopped acting like you are a god. Yeah sure you have narcissism, but we all have something that holds us back inside to varying degrees, no matter what we think we drive sometone crazy out there with some quirk we have, but sometimes it helps if someone points out that even though we have xyz quirk, we are still human so shut the fuck up and be another part of that person you are for a change.

Thats it TL?DR?FO

the reason for the confusing is that you keep referring to your steroid usage as HRT/TRT.
they are not the same thing.
HRT/TRT is monitored and controlled by a physician.

I've been a fan of bodybuilding since before I was in kindergarten and coming across a bodybuilding contest when turning the dial (remember tvs with dials? Lol) on the TV looking for a Teddy Ruxpin cartoon and seeing Lee Haney amongst others on TV with his huge back. Then when I was in the second grade the school library had a book on steroids and had pics of jeff king and his 20inch neck,  showing girls and having them freak out and scream and shit. I must've read that book cover to cover 50 times. Then when I was about 9 my mother started going to the gym and I would wait in the lobby Andrey bodybuilding magazines everyday waiting until I was 14 years old and could start lifting weights. And by the time I was 14 I already had a huge collection of bodybuilding magazines and knew exactly what I wanted to do as far as workout routines went. That was when Dorian was in his prime competing with Nasser and Shawn Ray etc and reading about how important the back is on a physique so I had it drilled into my head from day one that back is the most important muscle group.

 Didn't give a shit about chest or biceps and already had capped delts before I even started training focused on back and triceps (as the importance of triceps was also drilled in my head how important triceps were too arm development, that they took up two-thirds of the arm etcetera and most people spent too much time on biceps). Looked at different bodybuilders back development and red most likely ghost written articles on how they train and compared the workout routines and their back to government versus their competitors. I used to think Flex wheeler had this enormous wide freaky dog developed back until I remember an article when I was like 15 or 16 with Charles Glass talking about how Flex his back was N@arrow, and to give the illusion of more with people passed on getting Flex exceptional separation and development in the inner back along his spine to draw your eyes in and give the illusion of more width... Same with rear delta, except I figured that out on my own. Like I can have well-developed lateral head delts, however when he turns an angle to you whether it's from the front or from the back that at 3/4 View if his rear delts aren't properly developed he'll look like a telephone pole. Straight up and straight down. But if is rear delts are developed, he'll still with wide when he turns out that 3/4 angle even from 20 yards away.  Think about it most people, if you have a physique, from the front chest biceps ABS whatever probably going to look at you from the front but when you walk past people tend to turn their head and stare and if you're walking past them and you you got a great chest and abs and biceps and stuff and you walk past me look at you if your back isn't developed they're going to be disappointed. So I always wanted the back to look better than the front , because dudes with chest and biceps are a dime a dozen if you want to stand out you need a big thick wide back and rear delts

why have you never competed?

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HRT is to get your test levels up to a normal range, if it starts going too high they will cut your dose.

Come on mate, surely you are aware of this???

got some deca on da way, maybe i should run it @ 2-3 grams like dim claimed mentzer did 😂

thought bout getting oxa but decided to stay wit da wnny

 So you think if you do an injection on day 1 of 200mg. D your test levels are 700 that 3 days later it'll still be 700? And bext Monday it'll still be 700? And the Monday after that it'll still be 700?

Ive been doing this since 05. Ive had dozens of blood tests and ive looked over dozens of blood test results for my clients. This isnt something ive done once or twice.

You're training boxing while using Winstrol??

No, but if a doctor is monitoring your levels and its going up way higher than the dosage he is giving you because you are self administering then hes going to start asking questions..


Joon, put esfitness back online FFS you are fucking it up for him..

joons posting at the moment...dj181 is asleep.

taking a break from the boxing and focusing on physique art now

roids suck for boxing coz they make you tight and you lose stamina and give you unnecessary weight

gh is probably good for boxing to help with recovery as my coach ran it and said it made his recovery incredible

best drug for boxing would be epo

was gonna make a vid of me working the heavy bag for ma main man che, but now that im on gear i already feel tighter and not as loose and fast so fuck making that vid

how many boxing matches have you competed in? Win/Loss/draw record?

Not trolling, just curious

You were never going to post a video. Stop.

i take it youve never used methyltrienolone? lol

no matches only sparred with my coach 7 or 8 times

my coach is a heavy and i was bout buck 52 then

took his shots and stood my ground, i was wearing 10 oz gloves and he was wearing mmgay 4 oz gloves (think he did bruise a rib of mine coz i had rib pain for a few weeks but im a tough mofo)

afterwards he said to me AND I QUOTE "you are very brave" 😎

never heard of it, does it make you rage?

its best to keep your cool in the ring, id get tight and pissed too easily (narcissitic rage is what it was) when i got hit or missed a punch

he called it spinning

id say best drug for me besides epo would be a mild muscle relaxer so i could keep my cool and stay loose

Muscle relaxer will be a horrible idea as it may affect reaction time. Not even just the mental part of reaction time getting a signal to the muscle itself as well.

All androgens increase RBCs. You could train on drugs that don't cause a lot of water retention. Its the intracellular water retention makes you tight (which explains the strength gains on Anadrol, even though its a dht derivative) and come off everything 10 to 14 days before the fight and you lose all out water and you're loose again and retain some of the increase in rbc's.

Methyltrienolone, in my opinion, in my experience, is the greatest strength drug available. I say available because not everybody can get a hold of dimethyltrienolone or dimethylandrone (I can. Haha) and its measured in micrograms and hard to test for. Far as EQ for athletes I'd prefer boldenone cypionate or boldenone "susp"/boldenone no-ester (BNE), its not really a suspension because I don't do water-based products. Its in oil instead. Anyways, they kick in quicker than the undeconate/undecylenate.

Felt the same regarding back development, at least once Past the first year of training where trained nothing but bench presses haha, we never had bodybuilding magazines round here back then and Internet didn’t really take off till early 2000s so didn’t have much to go off but remember sitting with me Mam and dad eating our tea watching the local evening news and they had a segment on eddy Elwood training for the MR universe and he hit a few poses after training and still remember me dad saying “Jesus Christ look at his fucking back” in disbelief,we’d never seen anything like it before and from then on wanted to build a big back haha those early days before our eyes were opened were awesome

Nice reply Twigglet
Forgot you also have paranoid delusions of Muscular Size


It ( you ) doesn't have any control over its mind - Severe Mental Illness has taken over.

In a proper caring society it would be in a Nut House receiving psychological / psychiatric
Treatment.


Good Wishes.

If this dude didn't have lots of videos of himself talking on here I'd be convinced it's a gimmick. My God you're fucking insane

Im sure uncle junior is sharing the account with him...

A child's school library having a book on steroids hahahahahaha

what da fuck are you talkin bout  ???

never said i have "size" except my much larger than average length c0ck

and people wonder why I pull him up all the time.

when this stuff gets posted I think its junior, joon is a very good troll.

Weirdest post I've seen on getbig in a long time.

How is that weird? I was 4 or 5 yrs old which wouldve been 86-87 and I find a bodybuilding contest on tv. How is that "weird"?

pure joon

That's right Lord of the Rings. A book on steroids in my school  Library that was part of a series of books that also included books on cocaine, heroin, and inhalants.

The fuck is so hard to understand? You think they were how-to books? You dumb fuck

Joon? Fuck dude something is seriously wrong with your fucking brain. Why don't you give me a call. Fucking punk bitch

Explain what the fuck is "insane" about any of that.

Seems you've got as much bitch in you as jeffery

Aren't we supposed to admiring the god of arms aka dj181

this is what I see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsYDZuYhyVY

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what's your point?

saw the contest while i was living in a particular house in a particular town. moved to another house before i started kindergarten. that would make me about 4-5yrs old. watching the incredible hulk eating sugar sandwhiches. the fuck is your point?

I sure do occupy lots of space inside of that pew brain of yours BoooooooZooooooo

started with training bis and tris every single day and now i alternate bi then tri bi then tri on and on

but... it seems a bit too much so i will go to every 3 days

i got throwers elbows from hitting the heavy bag and med ball throws, which fucking sucksass

Ill try some militaries and delt work today and see how the elbows are

last night i did some wheel work with front squats and hip thrusts, gotta keep the glutes strong for pumping the hot young polkas  :P

 ::) ;D ::)

heres 2 pics taken today

definatley in need of the deca, maybe i should run 3 grams per dims statement bout mentzer😂

DJ, is that all you got? This is definitely a no contest. No doubt you were pumped to the max for those photos!

 ;D

its only the beginiing chief

deca is my DRUG

most other gear dont do much for me, but deca works like MAGIC

tren can recomp me but as far as making me fuller deca is DA ONE

just a sec and i will copy anx paste my test experiment

here it is

as you can see from da pics high test just fucked ma shit up and made me more watery just like dbol did

anadrol did nearly nothng for me

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=588776.0

with all due respect that is a pathetic that you are on steroids, your physique including the one you have now, is totally attainable without drugs

You have the ability in staying lean easy, you adding drugs to the mix to look like you do just screams how much of a lazy guy you are

I have known white guys who have never lifted weights who look better than you

this physique you present as before and after a cycle don't scream steroids, they scream laziness and patheticness considering what you take

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im a highly intelligent individual and i think outside the box

ive tried most gear and i only respond well to 2 compounds

1. Deca 2. Tren

all the others do fuck all for me and like a dumb fuck i just wasted some cash on winny (but this winny is acutally a little bit cheaper than my pwo lol)

but.... Deca is coming my way soon so its all good 😎

do you not worry about putting your health at risk for less than a half inch arm increase that is in reality very temporary in your case because of your inability to hold any real muscle?

that is not meant as an insult but as fact about natural genetic muscle building capabilities

health is 90%,genetics 10% lifestyle factors (yes, my health genetics are superior)

here's what you do (i think at least 😎)

take a higher dose to hit your goals and then take a very low dose to maintain yoself

doc huge talked to high level pros and they said they kept thier looks on 400 mg of test per week after balsting grams of shit

test sucksass for me so id never run it over 200 mg a week

the plan is to blast deca and get where i wanna be ie 175 5%

then keep test at 125 probably and deca at 100 or maybe 200

the only other drug i may need is tren but i wont take it unless i really need it

I was a buck 75 here but i wasnt @ 5%

All sugar water

What’s truly impressive is that he can be this slight and still be fat and not in shape. Incredible genetics  ::)

An expert like myself can't participate in this any longer. DJ is devoid of sense or potential. It is embarrassing even viewing this "challenge". I will forge ahead alone as I have a strange destiny. I suggest that Getbiggers do not encourage hapless DJ. This "challenge" is beyond pathetic.

weak trolling

2/10

For some reason I missed this thread, and I'm still working thru so someone may have asked this - if so please ignore...

But what's going on here..?  ???

did you write that?

Again, if this has been addressed, please ignore.  But clarification of this bit would also be appreciated please...  ???


I think maybe I'm getting my nutrition wrong if this is how it's supposed to feel LOL...

Nope, it was exactly like that back on page 8 or 9 maybe?  I've since remembered you sometimes use talk-to-text so maybe your phone heard your TV or something....?  If not I was gonna ask about the 400lb animal mentioned...

Got no clue. Looks like a commercial or something. Might've set my phone down and was still going or somethinh

ive always had a massive sex drive so my psych put me on meds to lower it a bit and they work

id been stone ass drunk on say 3 long island ice teas, 2 jack and cokes, 5 or 6 polish beers which are half a liter and 6% alc and another 2 or 3 shots of vodka or tequilla and i could still fuck 4 or 5 prositutes at the ho house

Your delts look good. Is it genetics or have you worked them a lot?

Genetics

 ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Everything else looks dogshit, genetics?

😂

fyi, anything i train responds very well

except maybe calves but nobody gives a shit bout dem anyways

why dont you train then......?

I enjoy training calves tbh...

really?

they are boring as hell to train

thing is when a female has decent developed calves over tiny slim ankles that is hot as fuck  :P

I do about 6 sets standing raises 2 or thee times a month

SOUNDS GOOD..

who gives a shit

njflex apparently...

deca now a be comin ma way..... LOOK OUT!!!!!

maybe i'll enter the next show you do just so i can beat you and own your ass  :-*

think ill front load 2 grams of DECA

then maybe run it @ 1 gram per week

gotta fullfill the destiny that doc Blakely laid upon me of looking like bob wetherhill

a little insight from doc huge baby!!!!

and check out dat ass in da middle of da vid

dayum!!! id have to take dat b!tch benx her over da sofa and pound dat ass mercilessly with my strong ass pumping her hard and my incredible stamina and aerobic fitness/condition which would allow me to keep dat blasting on her ass a loooooonnnnnnnggggggg time boy!!!! 😎

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0F2793mrx4

The businessman & supplier in me Says frontloadimg is great, but the experiences steroid user in me says don't waste your money.

thanks for the feedback

the highest ive run it 600 mg and got real good results from it

do you think a gram is a good idea?

most stuff on the net says 400-600 and some even go up to 800

i tried test at all doses from 200-2000 per week and highest i could go with test without getting bad sides was 750-850

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test is a shit ass drug for me and ill only use it now @ 125-200 mg per week MAX

Deca pwned the living shit out of it pour moi

actually the only other drug i will use now besides low test and deca is tren ACE

really fucking pissed at myself that i got winny tabs... suoer dumb fuck move on my part >:( >:(

you have never been over 170 in shape in your life and 6'2???

 ;D ;D

6'5" actually

no you're not

not even 6 foot 😎